[12:13] <elmo> Riddell: don't ever b-d on build-essential
[12:30] <Riddell> elmo: looks like cdbs strangeness
[12:30] <elmo> oh dear lord
[12:30] <elmo> please tell me you're not using that auto-"""fix"""" b-d at buildtime MADNESS?
[12:31] <elmo> speaking of which, let me go and shout at jbailey
[12:32] <Riddell> I'm not aware of using any auto-"""fix"""" madness, it's just the normal kde.mk file included
[12:33] <elmo> there's some crack in cdbs lately that changes the build-depends on the fly
[12:33] <elmo> it's utter evilness and insanity
[12:34] <elmo> so much so, that I couldn't even tell you what/how to trigger it
[12:34] <dato> none of the known kde.mk files uses it
[12:36] <elmo> Riddell: how could it be CDBS then?  you wrote the Build-Depends line, right?
[12:37] <Riddell> elmo: ah right, maybe it is the buildtime madness then, there's a control.in which gets turned into control with the correct cdbs version, and today it seems to have added build-essential
[12:38] <elmo> SATAN SATAN SATAN
[12:39] <Riddell> and there I was thinking I was being all clever by using cdbs advanced
[12:39] <Riddell> advanced bits
[12:55] <allee> Riddell: advanced not always makes sense.   (optional print cdbs's build-depends is better imho.)
[12:57] <allee> Riddell: where to looks first for outstanding little kubuntu task?  I've eventually installed breezy 
[01:32] <Riddell> allee: fixing media:/ would be nice
[01:32] <Riddell> need to compile KDE trunk to see if that works or not the backport as required
[09:10] <doko> Riddell: did you contact Debian about the C++ ABI change?
[09:43] <JRe> hiya
[10:43] <JRe> Riddell: i have updated kay now the dialog is different for a usb device, audiocd, datacd and blankcd
[10:51] <Riddell> doko: I contacted the Debian KDE packagers
[11:01] <doko> so -fvisibility is disabled?
[11:38] <dato> doko: what for/about?
[11:41] <doko> because qt3 isn't ready
[11:41] <doko> .. to use -fvisibility
[11:43] <dato> 09:10 <doko> Riddell: did you contact Debian about the C++ ABI change?
[11:43] <dato> I referred to that ;)
[11:43] <dato> but perhaps was about -fvisibility only...
[11:43] <doko> Riddell, amu: I thought I did add the reference to the gentoo report in the changelogs, but I cannot find it there anymore ... :-/
[11:44] <doko> dato: yes that was the reason
[11:44] <doko> it needs to be disabled in some packages
[11:46] <dato> doko: ok. perhaps it'd be nice to prepare a wiki page or similar with all this info.
[11:46] <dato> (info for KDE, I mean)
[11:46] <doko> Riddell: ^^^
[11:50] <Riddell> I'll put something together
[03:10] <KaiL> hmm, artsd crashes from time to time :/
[03:20] <hunger> This is getting ridiculous! It's been taking me way longer to install linux than windows already.
[03:20] <hunger> Never had that before!
[04:04] <dato> KaiL: alsa?
[04:04] <dato> KaiL: or oss?
[04:05] <KaiL> alsa
[04:05] <KaiL> go and let amarok play our list - after some hours, it says "bang"
[04:06] <dato> I recently changed arts to use alsa instead of oss, and I experience the same.
[04:07] <dato> (though amarok is not affected here since I have it output to alsa directly itself, i.e. not via arts)
[06:26] <KaiL_hoary> (j #1zu160
[06:26] <KaiL_hoary> ups