[12:06] <nate> mrmanic|afk: I'll give that a try...I haven't tried a logout after messing with the enviroment settings I thought they were instant...but I'll give it a try
[12:25] <ToyMan> I can do a full install using the 'live' disk, yes?
[12:35] <arthurb> ToyMan: yep
[01:20] <bobbyd> hi
[01:26] <liz4rd> lol
[01:57] <stibby> i hear that a new kubuntu was released. How do i update from KDE 3.4 to KDE 3.4.1? (and similarly, is koffice's next version available?)
[02:02] <monchy> stibby: add deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main to your sources.list
[02:03] <stibby> k
[02:04] <stibby> what is/are the package(s) called?
[02:04] <stibby> (sorry; not on that computer right now :( )
[02:04] <monchy> after you add it, do sudo apt-get update in konsole, then sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:05] <monchy> it'll show you the list of packages that are to be downloaded
[02:10] <kalenedrael> split
[02:16] <Burgundavia> the fancy new kde-systemsettings, can I see some screenshots somewhere>
[02:17] <penguinboy> Evening, Guys!
[02:18] <monchy> hey penguin
[02:19] <liz4rd> hey
[02:20] <monchy> herro
[02:20] <liz4rd> lol
[02:20] <penguinboy> Hey hey hey monchy!
[02:21] <monchy> what is up and i'll be back, time to order out
[02:21] <penguinboy> I am contrmplating installing Kubuntu on  my laptop
[02:22] <liz4rd> DO IT
[02:22] <liz4rd> :P
[02:22] <penguinboy> okay!
[02:22] <penguinboy> here goes
[02:22] <liz4rd> the penguin comands it
[02:23] <penguinboy> someone is going to have to help me get my wireless working
[02:23] <liz4rd> ^_^ nominates monchy
[02:23] <penguinboy> mm
[02:24] <penguinboy> I put the install disk in....press enter to bypass startup...then it beeps twice and I get the messager Authentication of system services failed.  Pres <ESC> to Resume.
[02:24] <liz4rd> lol
[02:24] <penguinboy> and it boots in XP
[02:24] <monchy> no don't nominate monchy lol
[02:24] <liz4rd> :)
[02:24] <penguinboy> what do i do
[02:25] <penguinboy> hey claydoh
[02:25] <penguinboy> hey kalenedrael
[02:25] <kalenedrael> hey
[02:26] <penguinboy> it wont boot from the DVD
[02:26] <claydoh> hey
[02:26] <kalenedrael> hmm?
[02:26] <kalenedrael> penguinboy, check bios settings
[02:27] <kalenedrael> or try the CD...
[02:28] <penguinboy> mmm
[02:28] <liz4rd> anyone els notice fluxbox is shitty on ubuntu and kubuntu
[02:28] <liz4rd> ?
[02:28] <kalenedrael> likely is
[02:32] <monchy> batman begins tomorrow woohoo
[02:32] <penguinboy> looks like no Kubuntu on my laptop
[02:32] <penguinboy> 8(
[02:32] <liz4rd> slackware then :D
[02:33] <kalenedrael> penguinboy, umm
[02:33] <kalenedrael> tried the CD?
[02:33] <penguinboy> I am using the Hoary CD
[02:33] <kalenedrael> can your laptop boot the kubuntu live portion of the DVD?
[02:33] <kalenedrael> will it boot from DVD at all?
[02:33] <kalenedrael> i don't think it's the distro's fault
[02:34] <penguinboy> no...i think it is a problem with my laptop
[02:34] <penguinboy> is salck an easy install?
[02:34] <penguinboy> slack
[02:34] <liz4rd> yeah
[02:34] <liz4rd> pretty straight forword
[02:34] <penguinboy> how many disks
[02:34] <liz4rd> 2
[02:34] <liz4rd> it comes will loads of stuff
[02:35] <liz4rd> and all the main WM's
[02:35] <liz4rd> well you can select them
[02:35] <penguinboy> purty dekstop?
[02:35] <penguinboy> desktop
[02:35] <monchy> uses kde 3.4
[02:35] <liz4rd> yeah you can have KDE, Gnome, xfce4, fluxbox, blackbox and osme others
[02:35] <liz4rd> if you do full install
[02:35] <penguinboy> where should I get the isos?
[02:35] <nmorse> enlightenment
[02:35] <kalenedrael> i like kde
[02:36] <penguinboy> or can I install over the net?
[02:36] <nmorse> don't forget e
[02:36] <kalenedrael> unfortunately i like e more but it doesn't work
[02:36] <liz4rd> xfce4 is my girlfriend ^_^
[02:36] <penguinboy> lol
[02:36] <monchy> lol
[02:36] <kalenedrael> i cannot stand gnome or gnome-based things like xfce
[02:36] <liz4rd> penguinboy: hold i'll give you the links
[02:36] <penguinboy> k
[02:36] <penguinboy> linuxiso.org?
[02:36] <liz4rd> kalenedrael: well poo you then
[02:36] <liz4rd> maybe
[02:36] <monchy> i don't think i could give up kde
[02:36] <liz4rd> do you want torrent file?
[02:37] <liz4rd> or striaght iso
[02:37] <penguinboy> that is okay
[02:37] <penguinboy> either or
[02:37] <kalenedrael> poo me?
[02:37] <kalenedrael> i think gnome is ugly
[02:37] <liz4rd> yeah its all i could ocme up with at the time
[02:37] <penguinboy> yes it is ugly
[02:37] <liz4rd> i do to
[02:37] <liz4rd> but i made my xfce look purdy
[02:37] <kalenedrael> it is not as configurable as kde
[02:37] <nmorse> Gnome is horribly ugly
[02:37] <nmorse> XFCE4 can be made all shiny and KDE-ified
[02:37] <liz4rd> with kde bassed icons and such
[02:38] <liz4rd> yeah
[02:38] <liz4rd> oooo nmorse you got to use these icons!!!!
[02:38] <liz4rd> hold on
[02:38] <liz4rd> http://xfce-look.org/content/download.php?content=23297&id=1
[02:38] <nmorse> Hey, guess what, Ubuntu has mythv deb's!!!
[02:39] <nmorse> mythtv
[02:39] <liz4rd> whats that
[02:39] <nmorse> DVR software for Linux
[02:39] <liz4rd> oh cool
[02:39] <monchy> are those the gant icons liz lol
[02:39] <liz4rd> yeah!!!!
[02:39] <monchy> <3 those
[02:39] <liz4rd> also called umicons for kde
[02:39] <penguinboy> disc 1 downloading
[02:39] <liz4rd> i love them i use them on ever WM
[02:39] <liz4rd> :P
[02:40] <monchy> does it have icons from gant 3 included?
[02:40] <liz4rd> i think go look 
[02:40] <penguinboy> gant 3!
[02:40] <liz4rd> its prttey big for an icon sety
[02:40] <liz4rd> set
[02:40] <liz4rd> covers everythign
[02:40] <monchy> thats why they are the best ;)
[02:40] <penguinboy> slack is only downloading at 32.0 KB/sec
[02:40] <liz4rd> yeah :D
[02:40] <liz4rd> nmorse: can i see a screeny of your desktop?
[02:41] <nmorse> Ah, so they're called umicons on KDE?
[02:41] <nmorse> Probably not, liz4rd
[02:41] <monchy> liz your on kubuntu right? or are you using slack right now
[02:41] <nmorse> My ftp server's acting up and DCC not worky here
[02:41] <penguinboy> liz4rd....where is the bittorrent download of slack isos?
[02:41] <liz4rd> kubuntu
[02:41] <liz4rd> but i lasted the longest on slack
[02:41] <liz4rd> :P
[02:42] <kalenedrael> ok, you've made a believer out of me
[02:42] <liz4rd> who :P
[02:42] <kalenedrael> xfce r0z
[02:42] <kalenedrael> r0x*
[02:42] <liz4rd> yeah i knoqw
[02:42] <liz4rd> know
[02:42] <monchy> yeah can we install it on kubuntu?
[02:42] <kalenedrael> mmm...
[02:42] <liz4rd> i like it cuse of the simplicity and speed
[02:42] <liz4rd> eyah
[02:42] <kalenedrael> how is it in terms of memory usage?
[02:42] <liz4rd> sudo apt-get install xfce4
[02:42] <nmorse> Yeah, but the Ubuntu XFCE themes don't work
[02:42] <monchy> will it be fubar cause of the archives though
[02:42] <liz4rd> yeah they do
[02:42] <nmorse> I've been trying to convert them, but it's not easy going
[02:42] <penguinboy> will apt work on Slack?
[02:43] <liz4rd> everything works
[02:43] <liz4rd> no
[02:43] <liz4rd> for slack 
[02:43] <nmorse> I can't get the win decos to work
[02:43] <liz4rd> theres slap-get
[02:43] <liz4rd> or swaret
[02:43] <penguinboy> slap works like apt?
[02:43] <liz4rd> swaret is better than slap-get but not as good as apt-getr
[02:43] <liz4rd> penguinboy: http://slackware.com/torrents/slackware-10.1-install-d1.torrent
[02:43] <liz4rd> penguinboy: http://slackware.com/torrents/slackware-10.1-install-d2.torrent
[02:44] <penguinboy> there are 4 discs total here
[02:44] <liz4rd> the others are source
[02:44] <liz4rd> 3 and 4 = 
[02:44] <liz4rd> ISO disc 3 (Sources part 1, /extra , Slackware book)
[02:44] <liz4rd> ISO disc 4 (Sources part 2, ZipSlack, /pasture)
[02:44] <monchy> alright gettin xfce4 now
[02:44] <liz4rd> sweet!!!
[02:44] <kalenedrael> sudo apt-get install xfce
[02:44] <liz4rd> i think the xfce comunity has to grow more
[02:45] <monchy> hopefully it won't eat all my memory like kde lol
[02:45] <liz4rd> lol oh god no
[02:45] <liz4rd> its really fast
[02:45] <kalenedrael> let's hope it works, unlike enlightenment
[02:45] <liz4rd> yeah i know what you mean
[02:45] <kalenedrael> yeah, kde is a bit memory hoggish
[02:45] <liz4rd> enlightenment looked cool on the site
[02:45] <kalenedrael> as much as i like it
[02:45] <liz4rd> gnome hogs the most
[02:45] <ijuz__> kde takes nearly no memory
[02:46] <monchy> now that's a load of bs lol
[02:46] <liz4rd> lol yeah
[02:46] <kalenedrael> enlightenment was great for me, but it was so different from any other window manager i've used before that i couldn't get used to it
[02:46] <kalenedrael> ijuz__, haha
[02:46] <liz4rd> kde apps are faster than gnome apps tho
[02:46] <kalenedrael> are you kidding?
[02:46] <kalenedrael> kde uses like 250 megs just starting
[02:46] <ijuz__> kalenedrael: it just uses a few MB
[02:46] <nmorse> Enlightenment's great, but not on Ubuntu
[02:46] <monchy> i'm up to 460mb right now
[02:46] <kalenedrael> O.o a "few" MB?
[02:46] <liz4rd> kalenedrael: yeah and had lots of glitches for me
[02:46] <kalenedrael> i call bullshit
[02:46] <monchy> ok brb
[02:46] <nmorse> I can't seem to get it or XFCE4 to work properly on Ubuntu
[02:47] <ijuz__> kalenedrael: start only X and after that KDE it won't use much more
[02:47] <liz4rd> nmorse:
[02:47] <liz4rd> gdm>
[02:47] <liz4rd> >
[02:47] <liz4rd> ?***
[02:47] <kalenedrael> X is using 9% of my memory
[02:47] <penguinboy> do you think Slack will recognize my wireless connections?
[02:47] <kalenedrael> that would be about 90MB
[02:47] <kalenedrael> kde uses about 160 on top of that
[02:48] <liz4rd> 1.3 for me
[02:48] <kalenedrael> liz4rd, X is using 1% of your mem?
[02:48] <kalenedrael> how much is that?
[02:48] <liz4rd> penguinboy: no clue never even touched wifi yet
[02:48] <liz4rd> kalenedrael: yup thats what top says
[02:49] <nmorse> liz4rd: stuff keeps failing to load or my clicks for menus don't work, etc.
[02:49] <ijuz__> kalenedrael: so you are using fancy things, i just found a mail from me when i measured it a year ago, i guess it was KDE 3.2 and the box used 12 MB without X and after starting X and KDE is just used 56 MB
[02:49] <nmorse> the .xinitrc files are broken in the packages on Ubuntu, I think
[02:49] <liz4rd> thats messed
[02:49] <liz4rd> i thought ubuntu was great
[02:49] <monchy> alrighty all done
[02:49] <penguinboy> wb monchy
[02:50] <liz4rd> till i fucked up the ls command with a rootkit ^_^ so i installed kubuntu and...boy was i wrong
[02:50] <kalenedrael> um
[02:50] <kalenedrael> ummm....
[02:50] <liz4rd> think much?
[02:50] <kalenedrael> you fucked up your *own* box with a rootkit?
[02:50] <monchy> liz did you keep kde installed after putting on xfce?
[02:50] <liz4rd> yeah...it was brazilian
[02:51] <liz4rd> yeah
[02:51] <liz4rd> that way you can use the other apps
[02:51] <liz4rd> it runs fast together
[02:51] <liz4rd> faster than xfce4 and gnome id say
[02:51] <monchy> k
[02:51] <liz4rd> lol i thought enlightenment was next gen :P
[02:52] <nmorse> e17 will be
[02:52] <liz4rd> yeah i know
[02:52] <nmorse> It's crazy what they're doing with that thing
[02:52] <liz4rd> i cant wait
[02:52] <nmorse> Neither can I
[02:52] <liz4rd> have they set a date yet?
[02:52] <nmorse> I don't think so
[02:53] <liz4rd> cuz ii saw there plans for it like awhile ago
[02:53] <liz4rd> wonder if there taking a brake
[02:53] <nmorse> I don't know, I'll ask in #enlightenment
[02:53] <liz4rd> ok
[02:54] <penguinboy> okay...found a good download...235 KB/Sec
[02:54] <penguinboy> any other slack users in here?
[02:54] <liz4rd> just me i think
[02:54] <liz4rd> but i'm sure i can help
[02:54] <penguinboy> I am sure you can too
[02:54] <liz4rd> well i'm not using slack but i was one it for awhile
[02:54] <nmorse> I used it once
[02:54] <penguinboy> I have confidence in you
[02:54] <nmorse> and I used vector
[02:54] <nmorse> and college linux
[02:55] <penguinboy> i just hope it recognized my wireless on install
[02:55] <penguinboy> recognizes
[02:55] <nmorse> I always forget college when listing distros I've used
[02:55] <nmorse> and Ark
[02:56] <penguinboy> slack's homepage isn;t very snazzy
[02:56] <monchy> mm <3 chinese food
[02:56] <penguinboy> slack doesn;t just use tarballs does it...I am no good at installing from tarballs
[02:56] <liz4rd> for me: knoppixc was my first, then suse, fedora core 2, slackware, ubuntu and now kubuntu
[02:57] <liz4rd> right now my favs are kubuntu and slackware
[02:57] <nmorse> You've got Chinese food? Lucky!
[02:57] <liz4rd> OMG PASS THAT FOOD!!!
[02:57] <monchy> oh yeah i love it, just takes too long to deliever
[02:57] <penguinboy> <loves Chinese food
[02:57] <monchy> 45 minutes wtf
[02:57] <nmorse> Debian 2.1, Red Hat 8-9, SuSE 8.2 Personal, Debian Sid, Gentoo, Ubuntu for ones I stuck with
[02:58] <liz4rd> i wish to one day succesfully install gentoo
[02:58] <nmorse> Mandrake 9.2,10, Ark, College, Vector, et als. I just played with
[02:58] <nmorse> I did a stage 2 I think
[02:58] <penguinboy> gentoo is a HARD install
[02:58] <liz4rd> yeah?
[02:58] <penguinboy> yeah
[02:58] <nmorse> Stage 1 is a retarded way to go unless your computer can be down for days
[02:59] <nmorse> And if you RTFM it's pretty easy for Stage 2 at least
[02:59] <penguinboy> I never ever RTFM!
[03:00] <liz4rd> whats that?
[03:00] <penguinboy> LOL
[03:00] <penguinboy> LOL
[03:00] <penguinboy> Read
[03:00] <penguinboy> the
[03:00] <penguinboy> lol
[03:00] <nmorse> Read the Friend Manual
[03:00] <nmorse> Friendly*
[03:00] <nmorse> Better than other F adjectives, if you ask me
[03:00] <penguinboy> no
[03:00] <liz4rd> lol
[03:00] <penguinboy> lol
[03:01] <nmorse> penguinboy: you should RTFM
[03:01] <nmorse> It makes life easier
[03:01] <penguinboy> i know
[03:01] <nmorse> And those of use who are elitist snobs will tell you that every day
[03:01] <penguinboy> RTFM is generally my downfall
[03:01] <liz4rd> hold on i'm put an upload script on my server so you guys can upload your screenys :D
[03:01] <kalenedrael> yeah, there are those people
[03:01] <nmorse> It's what to do after you screw up, right?
[03:01] <penguinboy> oh yes nmorse...there are SEVERAL of those over in Fedora
[03:01] <kalenedrael> i've never told someone to rtfm :P
[03:02] <nmorse> Fedora, elitist?
[03:02] <penguinboy> Fedora snobs
[03:02] <nmorse> Nah, try Gentoo's zealots and Debian's mailing list
[03:02] <penguinboy> I would ask a questions and they would inevitably say...RTFM!
[03:02] <kalenedrael> yeah
[03:02] <nmorse> I really don't say that much
[03:02] <monchy> oh god these egg rolls
[03:02] <nmorse> Or I say it nicer
[03:02] <nmorse> I hate egg rolls
[03:02] <penguinboy> I LOVE EGG ROLLS!
[03:02] <kalenedrael> even when the fabled "FM" doesn't have anything you need in it
[03:02] <nmorse> Cabbage should never be cooked
[03:02] <penguinboy> LOL kale
[03:03] <kalenedrael> i like chinese food
[03:03] <nmorse> I want some Pork Lo Mein now, you jerk
[03:03] <penguinboy> Where does one get this mysterious and often ellusive FM????
[03:03] <monchy> ooh i got this spicy ginger beef too
[03:03] <penguinboy> if you download the ISOs....there is no FM
[03:03] <nmorse> man program
[03:03] <liz4rd> rmFM?
[03:03] <liz4rd> fm*
[03:04] <kalenedrael> well, there is
[03:04] <kalenedrael> you apt-get install package-doc
[03:04] <kalenedrael> where package is the name of the package you want the docs fo
[03:04] <kalenedrael> r
[03:05] <nmorse> I think the Docs should be installed by default
[03:05] <kalenedrael> they should
[03:05] <nmorse> For a n00b-friendly distro, not doing this is retarded
[03:06] <penguinboy> What are the nOOb-friendly distroas?
[03:06] <seth_k> Linspire :D
[03:06] <penguinboy> definitely not Gentoo
[03:06] <nmorse> Ubuntu/Kubuntu, SuSE really, Ark when it fixes its bugs
[03:06] <kalenedrael> genpoo
[03:06] <nmorse> Debian Sarge even
[03:06] <liz4rd> how much is 10 megs in bytes?
[03:06] <penguinboy> I never coul get Debian to install
[03:06] <kalenedrael> fedora is pretty user-friendly
[03:06] <kalenedrael> i hate mandrake/mandriva
[03:07] <liz4rd> fedora hated my moniture
[03:07] <penguinboy> 10,000,00?
[03:07] <kalenedrael> i could not stand it
[03:07] <nmorse> Have you tried the new debian-installer, penguinboy ?
[03:07] <penguinboy> no
[03:07] <nmorse> It's what Ubuntu uses
[03:07] <seth_k> liz4rd: 1,000 bytes is one KB. 1,000 KB is one MB
[03:07] <nmorse> By base 8, penguinboy, not base 10
[03:07] <penguinboy> oops
[03:07] <kalenedrael> liz4rd, got one of those weird WXGA displays?
[03:07] <nmorse> 1024, not 1000
[03:07] <liz4rd> nah cyber vision or w/e
[03:07] <nmorse> Learn your binary
[03:07] <penguinboy> are there any ebian users in the room?
[03:07] <seth_k> nmorse, decimal vs. binary
[03:07] <seth_k> nmorse, tell that to hard drive makers :P
[03:08] <nmorse> Binary is all important
[03:08] <penguinboy> what about hexadecimal
[03:08] <kalenedrael> i should hope that most of us use kubuntu, considering what channel it is
[03:08] <nmorse> I use Debian sometimes
[03:08] <nmorse> Hex is just double-word binary
[03:08] <penguinboy> sixteen bit
[03:08] <nmorse> Take an A+ class sometimes
[03:08] <nmorse> Yeah, double-word binary
[03:08] <penguinboy> right
[03:09] <nmorse> A word being 8 bytes, double-word being hex
[03:09] <kalenedrael> ok, how do i get xfce and e to show up in my session type at the login screen?
[03:09] <nmorse> Copy from /usr/share/sessions
[03:09] <kalenedrael> to... where?
[03:09] <nmorse> Good question
[03:09] <nmorse> To /usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions of course
[03:09] <penguinboy> of course
[03:10] <nmorse> Far be it for the Ubuntu team to make sure the packages install to DM's properly
[03:10] <kalenedrael> yeah...
[03:10] <nmorse> I'm telling you, if I ever get off my lazy bum, I'm fixing this distro
[03:10] <penguinboy> kewl
[03:11] <nmorse> I was going to make my own distro, but I like this one
[03:11] <liz4rd> lol
[03:11] <kalenedrael> ls /usr/share/xsessions returns kde.desktop
[03:11] <nmorse> Mostly due to being debian based, but upgraded often
[03:12] <kalenedrael> i can't find the enlightenment.desktop or xfce.desktop
[03:12] <nmorse> Hmm
[03:12] <nmorse> I have both enlightenment and xfce4 in my /usr/share/xsessions
[03:12] <nmorse> Maybe it was copy from /usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions to /usr/share/xsessions
[03:12] <liz4rd> brb everyone hair cut
[03:14] <kalenedrael> woot, i can install packages without having to clean up the disk :P
[03:14] <kalenedrael> as in, uninstalling old ones
[03:14] <nmorse> What was the problem before?
[03:15] <kalenedrael> on my other compys and prior to repartitioning the hard drive on this, i only had a few gigs for linux
[03:16] <nmorse> mythtv*
[03:18] <kalenedrael> what's that?
[03:18] <nmorse> Now if I can figure out how to make apt and dpkg use distcc for building packages, I'll be set
[03:19] <nmorse> Mythtv is a DVR program, like TiVo
[03:19] <nmorse> I'm installing it so I can use my Video Capture card to record my Halo 2 sessions and of course store TV shows, skip ads, etc
[03:24] <kalenedrael> i wonder how i lived without sudo and apt-get
[03:24] <nmorse> What other distros did you use?
[03:24] <nmorse> Though life without them is hard to imagine these days
[03:24] <kalenedrael> fc3 and rh8
[03:24] <nmorse> I tried going back once, to Gentoo actually
[03:24] <nmorse> When I got back here, I realized how much I had missed apt
[03:24] <kalenedrael> heh
[03:25] <kalenedrael> yeah, apt is great
[03:25] <nmorse> Red Hat 8 was crap though
[03:25] <nmorse> Fedora Core 3 was one of their worst releases too, so I hear
[03:25] <nmorse> So welcome to the actual desktop linux community
[03:25] <nmorse> Here's hoping Ubuntu doesn't become just a fad distro, here today, much less popular tommorrow
[03:25] <kalenedrael> thanks
[03:26] <kalenedrael> yeah...
[03:26] <kalenedrael> ubuntu is a very well-designed distro
[03:26] <monchy> it won't be, but that all depends on breezy
[03:26] <kalenedrael> i originally thought "wtf, it's only one CD?"
[03:26] <kalenedrael> and wondered how all the packages can fit on that
[03:27] <nmorse> They can't is the only answer
[03:27] <nmorse> Debian Sarge took 14
[03:27] <kalenedrael> well, they don't, but you only download the packages you need later, which is very nice
[03:27] <kalenedrael> yeah, you have a functional desktop complete with important programs, then you use apt to get more stuff
[03:27] <nmorse> Universe is your friend
[03:28] <kalenedrael> multiverse is my friend
[03:28] <nmorse> I attempted to join the Linux room on Yahoo
[03:28] <nmorse> Then someone asked how to remotely login to the localhost from the localhost
[03:28] <nmorse> And I had to leave to preserve my sanity
[03:29] <nmorse> Remotely and localhost just don't mix
[03:30] <kalenedrael> yeah....
[03:32] <penguinboy> sproingie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[03:33] <monchy> man what a shitty fortune
[03:34] <penguinboy> what was it
[03:34] <monchy> "you may attend a party where strange customs prevail"
[03:34] <penguinboy> LOL
[03:34] <penguinboy> perhaps a live animal sacrifice?
[03:34] <penguinboy> lol
[03:34] <monchy> ;(
[03:35] <penguinboy> hey tron
[03:36] <monchy> oh yah theres lots left
[03:37] <penguinboy> my wife and I have Chinese buffet every Saturday afternoon!
[03:37] <nmorse> I need to hit the local Chinese buffet
[03:37] <penguinboy> mmm mmm good
[03:37] <monchy> mmm buffet
[03:37] <nmorse> Some Pork Lo Mein and General Tso's Chicken would be excellent right now
[03:37] <penguinboy> mmm honey chicken!
[03:37] <nmorse> Rat on a Stick!
[03:37] <monchy> if the generals chicken is spicy i'm down lol
[03:38] <penguinboy> lol
[03:38] <penguinboy> lol
[03:38] <monchy> <3 spicy food
[03:38] <monchy> because one day when i'm old, i won't be able to enjoy it
[03:38] <penguinboy> Chinese and Mexican are my favorite!
[03:38] <nmorse> General Tso's and Pepper Chicken are what you need then, monchy
[03:39] <nmorse> Try Thai Chicken too
[03:39] <nmorse> Thai food is always spicyh
[03:39] <nmorse> It's like the Cajun of Asian
[03:39] <penguinboy> yes ALWAYS
[03:39] <monchy> mm sounds good
[03:39] <penguinboy> fried bean curd!
[03:39] <nmorse> Any varitey of noodle dish!
[03:39] <nmorse> variety*
[03:39] <penguinboy> lots
[03:39] <penguinboy> and lots
[03:40] <nmorse> It's hard for me to type while salivating
[03:40] <penguinboy> lol
[03:40] <monchy> lol
[03:40] <monchy> order out!
[03:40] <nmorse> Too far to go, and I'm broke
[03:40] <penguinboy> okay...i've got the 1st Slack disc!
[03:40] <nmorse> They don't deliver here, and it's in the next town
[03:41] <nmorse> The really good Chinese is 45 minutes away
[03:41] <penguinboy> Sushi Bar!!!
[03:41] <monchy> don't like sushi :x
[03:41] <penguinboy> mmm mmm good
[03:42] <nmorse> Sushi's all right
[03:42] <nmorse> Had some in California
[03:42] <nmorse> Laughed at the vegetarian sushi there
[03:42] <penguinboy> odd
[03:43] <nmorse> I'm going to go away now and do something else before I get the compulsive urge to drive to New China Buffet
[03:43] <penguinboy> lol
[03:43] <monchy> you can do it!
[03:44] <penguinboy> Hey Marcelo
[03:45] <penguinboy> okay here comes disc 2
[03:46] <monchy> slackware going to be your main?
[03:46] <penguinboy> no.....just on my laptop
[03:46] <penguinboy> i like Kubuntu too much to drop it
[03:46] <penguinboy> you can;t beat apt-get
[03:47] <monchy> me and my full stomach agree with you
[03:47] <penguinboy> lol
[03:47] <penguinboy> i wish I could get Ubuntu on my lap
[03:47] <penguinboy> wb mrmanic
[03:47] <monchy> what would you use if there was a xubuntu though :p
[03:48] <penguinboy> xubuntu?
[03:48] <monchy> xfce-buntu
[03:48] <penguinboy> oh
[03:48] <penguinboy> they slackware folks in #slackware say that the Slack install should pick up my wireless....that is all I want...to have a 100% Linux Laptop
[03:49] <penguinboy> the slackware folks
[03:51] <monchy> hmmm
[03:56] <monchy> i think nmorse actually went to new china buffet lol
[03:57] <penguinboy> haha
[03:57] <penguinboy> he seems to possess a lot of Linux knowledge
[03:58] <monchy> yeah he's a smart guy, good to have around
[03:58] <penguinboy> It would be kewl to possess the knowledge to be able to build your own distro
[04:00] <penguinboy> welcoem ro28!!!
[04:00] <ro28> Hello penguinboy :-)
[04:00] <penguinboy> The Amazing Adventures of PenguinBoy...www.penguinboy.us
[04:01] <monchy> and orneryboy
[04:01] <penguinboy> oh yes....and orneryboy!
[04:02] <monchy> ;D
[04:02] <penguinboy> the ornerier the better
[04:02] <ro28> Advertising your blog on IRC?  Shameful! :-)
[04:02] <penguinboy> sniff sniff
[04:03] <penguinboy> lol
[04:04] <penguinboy> www.orneryboy.com
[04:04] <monchy> best comic evar
[04:04] <penguinboy> si
[04:04] <penguinboy> welceom sbc13
[04:04] <penguinboy> The Amazing Adventures of PenguinBoy...www.penguinboy.us
[04:05] <penguinboy> www.orneryboy.com
[04:05] <sbcl3> i'm having problems getting kde 3.4.1... i've added "deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 main" to sources.list . What's wrong?
[04:05] <penguinboy> lol
[04:05] <penguinboy> the repositories are down
[04:05] <monchy> did you sudo apt-get update after etc etc etc
[04:05] <kalenedrael> ok, some problems with xfce
[04:06] <kalenedrael> 1) i want my desktop backgrounds to switch every five minutes as they do in KDE
[04:06] <kalenedrael> 2) i want a clear panel and a taskbar that's integrated into the panel (again, like in KDE)
[04:06] <sbcl3> penguinboy: are you sure? the other ones aren't
[04:06] <penguinboy> so switch back to KDE
[04:06] <ro28> kalenedrael: So use KDE... :-)
[04:06] <penguinboy> lol
[04:07] <monchy> xfce is lightweight though
[04:07] <penguinboy> sbc13...they were down yesterday and the day before
[04:07] <kalenedrael> yeah, i know
[04:07] <kalenedrael> xfce uses less memory
[04:07] <kalenedrael> not that i'm overly concerned about memory usage...
[04:08] <penguinboy> how much mem you got?
[04:08] <kalenedrael> a gig
[04:09] <penguinboy> wowzer
[04:09] <monchy> if you see the place where you can install icon packs let me know -.-
[04:09] <sbcl3> does kde have any good chess apps?
[04:09] <penguinboy> can you apt-get shockwave????
[04:12] <penguinboy> welcome dewey!!!
[04:13] <sbcl3> i'm having a big problem. i installed koffice, but kiten doesn't work. at all.
[04:13] <sbcl3> it can't find "libkiten"
[04:14] <sbcl3> has anyone here gotten kiten to work through apt?
[04:14] <penguinboy> not me
[04:15] <sbcl3> did you try?
[04:15] <penguinboy> do you not like openoffice?
[04:15] <penguinboy> no
[04:15] <sbcl3> kiten.. is a japanese reference tool
[04:15] <sbcl3> as far as i know, ooo doesn't quite have that yet.
[04:15] <penguinboy> oh
[04:15] <sbcl3> (the rest of the koffice stuff worked fine)
[04:15] <sbcl3> and no, i don't like ooo
[04:15] <penguinboy> can you apt-get shockwave???
[04:32] <Elsidox> is it just me or when you install and enable the nvidia driver your fonts and icons get really mest up?
[04:33] <liz4rd> yay back from my hair cut :D
[04:33] <penguinboy> wonderful!
[04:33] <monchy> wb liz & penguin
[04:33] <liz4rd> :)
[04:33] <penguinboy> i just downloaded the 1st two Slacks
[04:33] <monchy> keep me updated, might want to try it out
[04:34] <penguinboy> k
[04:34] <penguinboy> liz I do not need 3 and 4?
[04:34] <liz4rd> no
[04:34] <penguinboy> is that source?
[04:34] <sbcl3> that guy was right... all of them have been down
[04:34] <liz4rd> yeah
[04:34] <liz4rd> just source
[04:34] <penguinboy> k
[04:34] <sbcl3> :(
[04:34] <sbcl3> when will they be back up?
[04:34] <penguinboy> what?
[04:34] <penguinboy> oh
[04:35] <penguinboy> repositories
[04:35] <liz4rd> are tehy?
[04:35] <liz4rd> they*
[04:35] <penguinboy> i would have thought they would be back up by now
[04:35] <monchy> still fubar
[04:35] <penguinboy> lol
[04:36] <penguinboy> it is burning iso time
[04:36] <monchy> good luck and don't use kodak cds ><
[04:36] <kalenedrael> liz4rd, how do i get transparent menus and panel in xfce?
[04:36] <kalenedrael> and how do i get it so that the taskbar is part of the panel?
[04:36] <liz4rd> oh god if i knew i would tell you :P i was tryting to find out my self today aswell
[04:37] <liz4rd> i dont think you can make it apart of it
[04:37] <liz4rd> i use the lil star icon box
[04:37] <liz4rd> its better
[04:37] <liz4rd> make sure to alwasy save your configureation when you exit xfce4 tho
[04:37] <kalenedrael> ok
[04:37] <kalenedrael> yeah
[04:37] <kalenedrael> i'm using the brushed metal theme
[04:38] <liz4rd> \
[04:38] <liz4rd> cool
[04:38] <liz4rd> when you download xfce themes or just gtk 2 themes 
[04:38] <liz4rd> all you have to do is untar them into ~/.themes
[04:38] <liz4rd> same with icons
[04:38] <liz4rd> into ~/.icons
[04:39] <kalenedrael> ok
[04:39] <penguinboy> how long does a slack install take?
[04:39] <liz4rd> whast your system specs
[04:40] <penguinboy> Laptop Centrino M Processor, 1.3 GhZ, 512 MB RAM
[04:40] <liz4rd> lil over 30 ,min
[04:40] <penguinboy> 1.7 GhZ
[04:41] <penguinboy> does it do extended install fromt eh net?
[04:41] <liz4rd> no
[04:42] <penguinboy> will you be here 30 more minutes>
[04:42] <liz4rd> yeah
[04:42] <liz4rd> all night
[04:42] <penguinboy> great
[04:42] <liz4rd> :D
[04:42] <penguinboy> my 1st iso is almost burnt
[04:42] <sbcl3> can it be done with k3b?
[04:42] <liz4rd> cool
[04:42] <monchy> blah none of my walls will change in xfce lol
[04:42] <liz4rd> no?
[04:42] <liz4rd> are they brown?
[04:43] <monchy> nope
[04:43] <liz4rd> whta color are tehy?
[04:43] <liz4rd> sometime gdm hate xfce
[04:43] <penguinboy> chartreuse
[04:43] <penguinboy> lol
[04:43] <liz4rd> are you on ubuntu or kubuntu
[04:43] <monchy> kubuntu of course
[04:43] <penguinboy> lol
[04:44] <liz4rd> :P
[04:44] <liz4rd> then i dont know
[04:44] <liz4rd> #xfce they know i had that problem before but i cant member
[04:44] <penguinboy> liz is a Gnome freak?
[04:45] <liz4rd> penquinboy: when your done installing your gonna have to know what to do once your loged in :P cuz it doesnt have a manager like other os's. With slack your in text mode untill you type " startx "
[04:45] <liz4rd> but after your done installing and logged it to root
[04:45] <liz4rd> type xorgconfig
[04:45] <liz4rd> once you complete that
[04:45] <liz4rd> type wmconfig and pick a WM
[04:46] <liz4rd> then after out of that
[04:46] <liz4rd> type startx
[04:46] <liz4rd> and BAM
[04:46] <liz4rd> insta slack
[04:46] <monchy> just like emeril
[04:46] <penguinboy> wm?
[04:46] <liz4rd> write this down :P
[04:46] <liz4rd> window manager
[04:46] <penguinboy> DUH
[04:46] <liz4rd> gnome , kde, XFCE4 :D
[04:46] <liz4rd> flux most common ones
[04:47] <sproingie> none of those are wm's
[04:47] <liz4rd> ...
[04:47] <sproingie> they're de's
[04:47] <liz4rd> explain
[04:47] <sproingie> de == desktop environment
[04:47] <liz4rd> yeah
[04:47] <sproingie> they have a window manager
[04:47] <liz4rd> but the command is wmconfig so....
[04:47] <sproingie> they aren't the window manager any more than kde is kwin
[04:47] <liz4rd> w/e you all know what i mean
[04:48] <liz4rd> excuse me while i take a chat
[04:48] <liz4rd> shat*
[04:48] <liz4rd> ^_^
[04:48] <penguinboy> too much info
[04:48] <monchy> yes, way too much
[04:48] <sproingie> not sure if gnome is still agnostic about wm's
[04:49] <sproingie> kde pretty much assumes you use kwin.  possible to use others, but not everything likes it
[04:51] <liz4rd> oops well i guess i didnt have to
[04:51] <liz4rd> lol sorry bout that
[04:51] <penguinboy> did you wash your hands?
[04:51] <liz4rd> i'll say bathroom next time
[04:51] <liz4rd> yes
[04:51] <penguinboy> good
[04:51] <liz4rd> is it wrong if i say i thought if you while i was washing them
[04:51] <liz4rd> XD jk
[04:51] <penguinboy> numero dos is a bunrin'
[04:51] <liz4rd> cool
[04:52] <penguinboy> lol
[04:52] <penguinboy> lol
[04:52] <penguinboy> lol
[04:52] <liz4rd> :D
[04:52] <penguinboy> 82%
[04:52] <liz4rd> did you take note of what i said?
[04:52] <penguinboy> si Senor
[04:52] <liz4rd> alright
[04:53] <penguinboy> 95%
[04:53] <liz4rd> :( the php upload script i downloaded doesnt work :(
[04:53] <penguinboy> 8(
[04:53] <liz4rd> it was for you guys to upload your sscreenshots :(
[04:54] <penguinboy> that would be nice
[04:54] <penguinboy> very nice
[04:54] <liz4rd> yeah it would if only it wasnt hateing my webhost
[04:54] <liz4rd> anyone wanna hook a loonix g33k up with some hosting?
[04:54] <liz4rd> lol...loonix ^_^
[04:55] <penguinboy> my laptop is not letting me boot fromt he DVD
[04:56] <Consty> After installing kubuntu and making a user, how do I go about using sudo and such because every time I try to I cant because it prompts for a password
[04:56] <liz4rd> use your username password
[04:56] <Consty> How am I supposed to add myself to sudoers if I dont have access to the sudoers file and such.. 
[04:56] <penguinboy> it will prompt you
[04:56] <microhaxo> yo guys, i just installed kubuntu, I AM AMAZED, great little os, and im a windows user..
[04:56] <penguinboy> GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:56] <liz4rd> welcome :)
[04:56] <microhaxo> i want to know, how can i install ATI drivers?
[04:56] <liz4rd> to the darkside...
[04:56] <penguinboy> liz...I can;t boot fromt he DVD
[04:56] <liz4rd> you burnt a dvd?
[04:56] <liz4rd> wtf
[04:57] <penguinboy> no
[04:57] <liz4rd> what happend to cd-r's?
[04:57] <penguinboy> a cd in the DVD Drive
[04:57] <liz4rd> oh
[04:57] <liz4rd> ....
[04:57] <monchy> microhaxo: read this; http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495
[04:57] <liz4rd> whast it saying?
[04:57] <Consty> liz4rd: was the username password created during installation automatically added to sudoers?
[04:57] <microhaxo> k thanks
[04:57] <penguinboy> either or it wont boot
[04:57] <liz4rd> Consty: yes
[04:57] <liz4rd> check bios
[04:57] <penguinboy> how?
[04:57] <liz4rd> ... you dont know how to get into your bios?
[04:57] <microhaxo> so does kubuntu already have these drivers installeD?
[04:58] <microhaxo> Ati drivers i mean.
[04:58] <liz4rd> sirukin: hey man!
[04:58] <penguinboy> no I don;t...dont make fun of m
[04:58] <penguinboy> e
[04:58] <sbcl3> e?
[04:58] <liz4rd> i'm not....
[04:58] <penguinboy> lol
[04:58] <sbcl3> oh
[04:58] <penguinboy> so....
[04:58] <liz4rd> what make is your lappy again?
[04:58] <penguinboy> IBM Thinkpad R40
[04:58] <liz4rd> like dell, compaq
[04:58] <liz4rd> ...
[04:59] <liz4rd> try pressing F10 or the Del key when your boothing up
[04:59] <liz4rd> or F1
[04:59] <liz4rd> till you get in ther
[04:59] <liz4rd> there
[04:59] <sirukin> hey liz
[04:59] <sirukin> what's up?
[04:59] <penguinboy> f1
[04:59] <liz4rd> nm helping people :)
[04:59] <penguinboy> BIOS Version 1.10
[04:59] <liz4rd> then itsd F1
[04:59] <liz4rd> yaya
[04:59] <liz4rd> ok
[04:59] <microhaxo> Does Kubuntu 5.04 have the latest ATI drivers installed? if so where can i check to see what drivers im usin / me is NEWBIE 100%
[04:59] <liz4rd> find something that lets you configure the boot order
[05:00] <liz4rd> of your disks liek the HD and cdrom and what not
[05:00] <liz4rd> tell it to boot the dvd drive first then the hd then maybe the floppy if any
[05:00] <liz4rd> microhaxo: lol nvidia loves linux bro
[05:00] <liz4rd> not ati
[05:00] <liz4rd> :D
[05:01] <microhaxo> well i love my X800 xt pe
[05:01] <monchy> ati will get it together eventually
[05:01] <liz4rd> do you hug it often
[05:01] <penguinboy> I have the follwoing options:  Config, Date/Time, Security, Startup, and Restart
[05:01] <microhaxo> if it wouldnt shock me i would
[05:01] <monchy> the graphical installer was a good step taken
[05:01] <liz4rd> lol
[05:01] <liz4rd> penguinboy:try startup
[05:01] <liz4rd> tell me whats in there
[05:01] <microhaxo> lol, i just want the latest drivers runnin, is there some 3rd party tweaked ati drivers, i know for windows there are omegadrivers..
[05:01] <penguinboy> boot and network
[05:01] <sirukin> mmm
[05:01] <sirukin> I"m out
[05:02] <liz4rd> boot
[05:02] <monchy> yay
[05:02] <liz4rd> what?
[05:02] <monchy> maybe he'll fall off the face of the planet
[05:02] <liz4rd> so no one wants to hook a loonix g33k up with some webhosting?
[05:02] <liz4rd> lol
[05:02] <monchy> and somehow end up on uranus
[05:02] <liz4rd> of course.. cuz thats the most likly place :P
[05:03] <penguinboy> ITS BOOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:03] <microhaxo> Anywho, i love this linux so far, but i want to have it configured, i have windows on my main HD so i will be using that also but i want this to have all the features so i dont have to go to windows..
[05:03] <penguinboy> its loading the kernel!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
[05:03] <liz4rd> penguinboy: OMG I'M GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:03] <microhaxo> so, does this release kubuntu 5.04 have the latest ati drivers?
[05:03] <penguinboy> yes you are
[05:04] <liz4rd> :P i'm helping someone install slackware in #kubuntu :D
[05:04] <monchy> in short, no microhaxo, you have to download and install them yourself
[05:04] <juliagouser> anyone know how to change date and time? i try to enter my password but nothing happens from then on
[05:04] <microhaxo> thanks
[05:05] <penguinboy> you may now login as root....slackware login:?????
[05:05] <liz4rd> type setup
[05:05] <penguinboy> do i type root
[05:05] <liz4rd> yewah
[05:05] <liz4rd> root
[05:05] <liz4rd> sorry
[05:05] <liz4rd> :P
[05:06] <penguinboy> i typed setup
[05:06] <liz4rd> then setup
[05:06] <microhaxo> lol guys, i get this error
[05:06] <microhaxo> the file blah atidriver8.14.run is a binary saving will result in it being corrupt?
[05:06] <penguinboy> do I partition?
[05:07] <liz4rd> yes
[05:07] <microhaxo> so will it corrupt it or do i just save it?
[05:07] <liz4rd> creata swap twice the size of your ram
[05:07] <penguinboy> with cfdisk or fdisk
[05:07] <liz4rd> and the rest for your /
[05:07] <liz4rd> cfdisk is my fav
[05:07] <liz4rd> so
[05:07] <liz4rd> cfdisk /dev/hda
[05:07] <liz4rd> or w/e your is called
[05:07] <microhaxo> does kubuntu support RTM's?
[05:07] <penguinboy> it is primary?
[05:07] <liz4rd> yea
[05:08] <liz4rd> make sure it says swap after it
[05:08] <juliagouser> anyone know how to change date and time from kde? i try to enter my password @ prompt but nothing happens from there
[05:08] <liz4rd> you got to change the type
[05:08] <penguinboy> to?
[05:08] <liz4rd> i think 82 is swap and 83 is ext3
[05:08] <liz4rd> or 2 w/e is it
[05:08] <penguinboy> I have oen big primary linux partition at the moment...now what
[05:09] <microhaxo> eh, guys what do i open an rpm with?
[05:09] <liz4rd> ok make a new one
[05:09] <penguinboy> just click on it
[05:09] <liz4rd> i guess 
[05:09] <microhaxo> it says open with
[05:09] <penguinboy> do I make the big one bootable?
[05:09] <sbcl3> hey sweet...i think the servers are no longer down
[05:09] <sbcl3> i was able to install abiword
[05:09] <liz4rd> make sure you sewt the size to only 1 GB
[05:09] <sbcl3> perhaps the others will work
[05:10] <liz4rd> yes
[05:10] <liz4rd> hey
[05:10] <penguinboy> it does not give me an option to create more
[05:10] <penguinboy> sould i delete this one and then create two more
[05:10] <penguinboy> one for / and one for swap?
[05:11] <liz4rd> yeah
[05:11] <liz4rd> but swap has to be first
[05:11] <liz4rd> so its faster if its at the beggining of your drive
[05:11] <penguinboy> how large
[05:11] <liz4rd> 1 gb
[05:11] <liz4rd> since you have 512 ram
[05:11] <penguinboy> is swap primary or logical
[05:11] <liz4rd> primary
[05:12] <penguinboy> do I make swap bootable?
[05:12] <liz4rd> ok after there should be something that says like for you to change the type of one you want
[05:12] <liz4rd> then it will display a list
[05:12] <liz4rd> yeah
[05:13] <liz4rd> how the F do you download the scripts from hotscripts.com? :P
[05:13] <penguinboy> okay..I have....hda1...primary...Linux Swap...1 GB and then Pri/Log...Free Space....26 Gig
[05:13] <sbcl3> quick question: what does "held packages" mean in kynaptic?
[05:14] <sbcl3> and for that matter, how do i just install them?
[05:14] <liz4rd> penguinboy: eek!!! delete all of them untill you have one and i shall tell you what to do
[05:14] <penguinboy> sbc...change to Synaptic....kynaptic is skrewy
[05:14] <penguinboy> okay....I now have one pri/log...free space partition with 36 gig
[05:15] <liz4rd> ok
[05:15] <liz4rd> now
[05:15] <liz4rd> create a new one
[05:15] <penguinboy> si
[05:15] <liz4rd> make it 1 gig
[05:15] <penguinboy> primary or logical
[05:15] <liz4rd> primary
[05:15] <liz4rd> not bootable
[05:15] <penguinboy> beginning or end
[05:15] <liz4rd> beggining
[05:15] <penguinboy> k
[05:16] <liz4rd> ok then go to type or someting
[05:16] <penguinboy> k
[05:16] <penguinboy> make swap?
[05:16] <liz4rd> yeah
[05:16] <penguinboy> k
[05:16] <penguinboy> now
[05:17] <liz4rd> ok now
[05:17] <liz4rd> for the rest of the space highlight it and create a new one
[05:17] <liz4rd> use the rest of that space
[05:17] <liz4rd> primary or w/e
[05:17] <liz4rd> bootable
[05:17] <penguinboy> primary or logical
[05:17] <liz4rd> primary
[05:17] <liz4rd> :P
[05:17] <penguinboy> do I let it use all space left?
[05:18] <liz4rd> yes
[05:18] <penguinboy> and bootable?
[05:18] <sbcl3> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary main restricted <--- is something wrong with this line in sources.list?
[05:18] <liz4rd> yes
[05:18] <sbcl3> or is the server just down still?
[05:18] <penguinboy> k
[05:18] <penguinboy> done
[05:18] <liz4rd> sbcl3: respatories are down
[05:18] <penguinboy> now write?
[05:18] <liz4rd> yes
[05:19] <penguinboy> now quit?
[05:19] <liz4rd> yes
[05:20] <penguinboy> now do I reboot?
[05:20] <liz4rd> yeah
[05:20] <_nate__> could anyone help me with configuring vsftpd?  I have a few questions about users
[05:20] <penguinboy> will it boot back off of cd?
[05:20] <penguinboy> yes
[05:20] <liz4rd> yes
[05:21] <penguinboy> booting
[05:21] <liz4rd> :)
[05:21] <penguinboy> now do I type setup?
[05:21] <_nate__> does vsftpd only allow for local logins (using /etc/passwd) and anonymous logins?  Or can I add virtual users for only the ftpd?
[05:23] <penguinboy> do I need to activate pcmcia devices, activate network devices, or start the main installation???
[05:23] <homedad_> hi there
[05:23] <penguinboy> hey
[05:24] <penguinboy> liz4rd?
[05:24] <homedad_> how do i get a copy of kubuntu
[05:24] <liz4rd> oops sorry
[05:24] <N17R0> download it
[05:24] <liz4rd> yeah
[05:24] <penguinboy> download the iso from linuxiso.org
[05:24] <homedad_> or ubuntu
[05:24] <penguinboy> do I need to activate pcmcia devices, activate network devices, or start the main installation???
[05:24] <liz4rd> yes
[05:24] <penguinboy> which...there are 3 options LOL
[05:24] <liz4rd> make sure you do a full install wehn promted
[05:25] <homedad_> i dont have a cd burner
[05:25] <liz4rd> oooooh
[05:25] <kalenedrael> ok, i can't seem to configure xfce properly
[05:25] <liz4rd> no you done have to
[05:25] <penguinboy> lol
[05:25] <liz4rd> kalenedrael: whast wrong...?
[05:25] <penguinboy> homeded go to ubuntulinux.org and reqest a CD
[05:25] <homedad_> i registered for a free disc but it never came 
[05:25] <liz4rd> same
[05:25] <N17R0> lol
[05:26] <homedad_> that was weeks ago
[05:26] <penguinboy> now I am on the Slack Linux Setup menu...I can Help, Keymap, Addswap, Target, Souurce, Select, Install, Configure, Exit
[05:26] <kalenedrael> liz4rd: i think i already said
[05:27] <penguinboy> homedad it takes some time...I think it comes from South Africa or someplace
[05:27] <homedad_> im using mepis right now but not entirely happy with it 
[05:27] <kalenedrael> no clear menubars, and i can't get the taskbar to be part of the panel
[05:28] <homedad_> i wonder if im going to have problems with the soundcard on ubuntu as well
[05:28] <penguinboy> do I set up my target partitions?  Slect source media?  Select categories of software to install?  Install selcted software? or reconfigure my Linux system?
[05:29] <penguinboy> liz???
[05:29] <homedad_> i have that weird neo magic 256 card
[05:29] <kalenedrael> penguinboy, calm down a bit
[05:29] <penguinboy> lol
[05:29] <kalenedrael> you are trying to install slackware?
[05:29] <penguinboy> yes
[05:29] <liz4rd> um
[05:29] <liz4rd> i dont know
[05:29] <kalenedrael> ok, well, you want to set up the partitions, i bet
[05:29] <liz4rd> lol i'm not staring at the screen
[05:30] <kalenedrael> neither am i
[05:30] <liz4rd> he already did
[05:30] <kalenedrael> oh
[05:30] <liz4rd> i helped him :)
[05:30] <microhaxo> ok guys, i have installed the ati drivers, however how can i check if its using them?
[05:30] <penguinboy> never mind...I will go with my gut instincts
[05:31] <liz4rd> ok :P
[05:31] <monchy> microhaxo: go into konsole and type glxgears
[05:32] <microhaxo> k
[05:33] <microhaxo> ahh how long does this run
[05:33] <microhaxo> ylol
[05:33] <penguinboy> i am now formatting
[05:33] <monchy> is your fps low?
[05:33] <liz4rd> yay!
[05:33] <microhaxo> 144 168
[05:34] <monchy> 144,168? or just 144 lol
[05:34] <microhaxo> just 144
[05:34] <microhaxo> and 168
[05:34] <monchy> ok you can close it
[05:34] <microhaxo> so am i runnin ati drivers ? lol
[05:34] <monchy> not yet; http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=206829&postcount=87
[05:34] <monchy> after you do all that it should be fine
[05:34] <microhaxo> aww
[05:34] <microhaxo> k
[05:35] <monchy> oh and to find out what kernel your running, uname -a in konsole
[05:35] <microhaxo> err
[05:35] <microhaxo> im using kubuntu 5.04 64 bit
[05:36] <microhaxo> bash: cd: /lib/modules/fglrx: No such file or directory
[05:37] <monchy> alright i can't figure this wallpaper crap out
[05:38] <penguinboy> i installation underway
[05:38] <seth_k> glxinfo | grep direct
[05:38] <seth_k> eh, wrong channel
[05:38] <seth_k> sorry
[05:38] <liz4rd> cool
[05:38] <penguinboy> thanks to you my friend
[05:38] <microhaxo> yo
[05:39] <microhaxo> i get this error
[05:39] <liz4rd> :)
[05:39] <microhaxo> bash: cd: /lib/modules/fglrx: No such file or directory
[05:39] <liz4rd> penguinboy: you got msn or ayhoo or aim or jabber or SOMETHING
[05:40] <penguinboy> mmmm
[05:40] <liz4rd> mmmm? tha tan IM program? :P jk
[05:41] <penguinboy> AIM...PenguinBoy42544
[05:41] <penguinboy> wb monchy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[05:41] <monchy> alright back to kde lol
[05:42] <liz4rd> lol
[05:42] <liz4rd> wtf wehen i top Xorg is taking all my CPU
[05:42] <liz4rd> wtf
[05:42] <monchy> xfce is nice, but i can't stare at that fricken cube anymore
[05:42] <liz4rd> lol
[05:42] <liz4rd> its easy to change
[05:43] <monchy> i beg to differ
[05:43] <liz4rd> need help?
[05:43] <monchy> installing the ati drivers was easier lol
[05:43] <liz4rd> lol
[05:43] <liz4rd> brb
[05:43] <liz4rd> everyone
[05:44] <microhaxo> i just installed ATI drivers, it says REBOOT the system is recommended after running fglrxconfig
[05:45] <monchy> if it says reboot, then you should reboot :p
[05:45] <microhaxo> sudo: fglrxconfig: command not found
[05:45] <microhaxo> but it says i should run this command
[05:45] <microhaxo> but its not there?
[05:46] <monchy> sounds like nothing installed when you ran the ati installer oO
[05:46] <microhaxo> err
[05:46] <microhaxo> how
[05:46] <microhaxo> i see the ati linux logo
[05:46] <monchy> weird, maybe ask the folks in #ubuntu
[05:47] <microhaxo> ?
[05:47] <microhaxo> lol
[05:47] <monchy> kubuntu is pretty much the same so i don't see why not
[05:47] <monchy> wb
[05:48] <liz4rd> ty
[05:49] <liz4rd> o wherrrre or wherrrree has my little penquinboy gone? ooo where or where can he be.....?
[05:49] <liz4rd> ^_^
[05:50] <monchy> penguin has left this server. remote closed the connection
[05:50] <liz4rd> dammit!!!! what a cunt
[05:50] <liz4rd> oops i mean
[05:50] <liz4rd> nice lil person
[05:50] <monchy> lol
[05:50] <monchy> trouble in paradise ;)
[05:50] <liz4rd> lol
[06:06] <microhaxo> Guys, im tryin to install ati drivers with these guide : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32495&highlight=ati+drivers
[06:06] <microhaxo> im on step 3
[06:06] <microhaxo> and that isnt a command?
[06:06] <microhaxo> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:06] <monchy> be back, going to try something
[06:06] <liz4rd> step 1) instert nvidia card ^_^
[06:07] <microhaxo> yea right
[06:07] <liz4rd> lol ATI wont get there shit together
[06:07] <microhaxo> i dont care, this is a problem with the os, i cannot use the command sudo gedit
[06:07] <microhaxo> this command i cannot do, so i cannot get past this..
[06:07] <microhaxo> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:07] <liz4rd> use pico
[06:08] <liz4rd> sudo pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:08] <liz4rd> wait no
[06:08] <liz4rd> dont do that
[06:08] <liz4rd> or
[06:08] <microhaxo> lol
[06:08] <liz4rd> well yeah
[06:08] <liz4rd> no dont
[06:08] <microhaxo> wtf
[06:08] <microhaxo> !
[06:08] <liz4rd>  iwas thinkgin of xorgconfig
[06:08] <liz4rd> :P
[06:08] <microhaxo> what other command can i do to replace that?
[06:08] <liz4rd> no nothing
[06:09] <liz4rd> sudo pico /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:09] <seth_k> nano > pico
[06:09] <seth_k> :P
[06:10] <liz4rd> same shit isnt it
[06:10] <liz4rd> ?
[06:10] <seth_k> yeah, they're very similar.
[06:10] <liz4rd> yeah thought so
[06:10] <_nate__> does anyone know if vsftpd from the repos has PAM support enabled?
[06:10] <monchy> hah tsunami watch for vancouver island
[06:11] <monchy> only 3 1/2 hours away from here
[06:11] <microhaxo> i dont get this..
[06:11] <microhaxo> it shows
[06:11] <microhaxo> Section "Device"
[06:11] <microhaxo>         Identifier      "ATI Technologies, Inc. Radeon X800 (R420 JK)"
[06:11] <_nate__> so.  anyone know?  or know how to figure it out?
[06:11] <microhaxo> but i only get 144 fps on the gear deal
[06:12] <liz4rd> are you upset?
[06:12] <monchy> ok liz, you said you know how to get wallpapers to work in xfce?
[06:12] <liz4rd> yeah... do you even know how to change them?
[06:12] <liz4rd> :P
[06:13] <monchy> no, it's not easy like kde lol
[06:13] <liz4rd> ok click the settings button on your panel
[06:13] <_nate__> monchy, mine only worked if i didn't use kde utilities, weird huh?
[06:13] <liz4rd> the tools icon or w/e
[06:13] <monchy> that is weird nate
[06:13] <liz4rd> that might do it
[06:13] <monchy> ok i'm @ settings
[06:13] <liz4rd> _nate__ is an xfce user aswell?
[06:13] <liz4rd> ok click desktop
[06:14] <liz4rd> :)
[06:14] <liz4rd> do you see it?
[06:14] <microhaxo> how do i save that config
[06:14] <monchy> is it just the part where it says "show image"
[06:14] <liz4rd> ctrl x
[06:14] <liz4rd> then y for yes
[06:14] <liz4rd> then enter
[06:14] <liz4rd> BAM saved
[06:14] <_nate__> I used to be one, but realized that gnome is fine for me
[06:14] <liz4rd> lol ewi
[06:15] <microhaxo> alright ill reboot now
[06:15] <liz4rd> monchy: under that it should say file with a place to select it
[06:15] <monchy> yeah, show image then i can browse for a replacement
[06:16] <monchy> that's it eh
[06:16] <liz4rd> yeah
[06:16] <liz4rd> :P
[06:16] <monchy> cool, thanks :)
[06:17] <monchy> i don't have to see the ugly cube anymore
[06:17] <liz4rd> yup
[06:17] <liz4rd> got jabber monchy?
[06:17] <monchy> wonder if that tsunami will hit
[06:17] <liz4rd> you live in canada?
[06:17] <monchy> yes
[06:17] <liz4rd> OMG SO DO I
[06:17] <liz4rd> :P
[06:17] <monchy> lol
[06:17] <liz4rd> in sask
[06:18] <monchy> british columbia, few hours away from van
[06:18] <monchy> tsunami warning has me spooked
[06:18] <sproingie> thankfully on the 28th floor of my building on the EAST side of the city
[06:18] <liz4rd> that would suck if it happend
[06:18] <monchy> what if it's a big one @_@
[06:19] <monchy> it could be like the day after tomorrow
[06:24] <liz4rd> AAHHHH i keep doing stupid shit to freeze my self
[06:25] <_nate__> i found xfce was sorta freezy for me, but not at first
[06:25] <_nate__> at first it was smokin fast
[06:25] <liz4rd> yeah it still is but i was runnign ALOT of stuff :P
[06:26] <monchy> c'mon news people now is not the time to be off air!
[06:26] <sbcl3> anyone know a _working_ repository where i can get koffice 1.4?
[06:27] <_nate__> i only use vi
[06:27] <_nate__> forget my instructors and their lame whining about "formats"
[06:27] <_nate__> j/k ;P
[06:32] <monchy> oh good tsnami alert lifted
[06:32] <liz4rd> thast good
[06:33] <monchy> was a 7.0 magnitude quake that struck
[06:34] <monchy> oh liz4rd i only have msn and aim in my kopete
[06:35] <_nate__> oh man i need to go to sleep
[06:35] <_nate__> gnite everyone! :)
[06:35] <sbcl3> is openoffice.org _supposed_ to look really bad in kde?
[06:36] <sbcl3> it looks like someone tried to make a qt port for it but stopped half way through...
[06:42] <liz4rd> ok i got the file upload script to work :D
[06:42] <liz4rd> i want to see your screenshots everyone
[06:42] <liz4rd> http://irclikelife.com/liz4rd/upload/
[06:42] <liz4rd> username: public password: user
[06:42] <monchy> will these go on your site?
[06:42] <liz4rd> nah just for our provet use
[06:42] <liz4rd> or do you want them to
[06:42] <liz4rd> :P
[06:43] <liz4rd> provate*
[06:43] <liz4rd> private*
[06:43] <monchy> well as long as we'd be posting screenshots lol
[06:43] <monchy> may as well use it to add activity to your forum :p
[06:43] <liz4rd> lol i only let it so you could only upload image files
[06:43] <liz4rd> nah this is hosted elsware
[06:44] <liz4rd> are you gonna upload one? :D i should aswell
[06:44] <monchy> yeah uno momento
[06:45] <liz4rd> what :P?
[06:45] <monchy> 1 second lol
[06:45] <liz4rd> oh
[06:45] <liz4rd> :P
[06:46] <monchy> just trying to locate the take screenshot thing in xfce
[06:46] <liz4rd> lol
[06:47] <liz4rd> just run ksnapshot
[06:47] <monchy> i'm too used to gnome ><
[06:47] <liz4rd> lol
[06:47] <liz4rd> it's alright
[06:48] <monchy> anyway to make the stuff i download to /desktop actually show up on the desktop lol
[06:49] <liz4rd> xfce uses no icons 
[06:49] <liz4rd> um see your bottum panel?
[06:49] <monchy> yea
[06:49] <liz4rd> right click on the file manager one
[06:49] <liz4rd> go properties
[06:49] <monchy> k
[06:49] <liz4rd> change the command to xffm
[06:49] <liz4rd> then close
[06:50] <liz4rd> then click it normally
[06:50] <monchy> done
[06:50] <monchy> groovy
[06:50] <liz4rd> when you upload
[06:51] <liz4rd> make sure to save the rename the file to monchy_whateverhere
[06:51] <liz4rd> .png or jpg or giff or bmp
[06:51] <liz4rd> gif*
[06:51] <monchy> now you tell me lol
[06:52] <liz4rd> lol sorry
[06:52] <liz4rd> dont worry about it
[06:52] <monchy> it's snapshot1.png
[06:52] <Bachus9000> Anyone here familiar with acpi on laptops?
[06:52] <kalenedrael> i'm making a theme for xfce
[06:52] <kalenedrael> what specifically, Bachus9000?
[06:52] <liz4rd> SWEET
[06:53] <kalenedrael> er, i'm modifying a theme
[06:53] <kalenedrael> it looked nice but i wanted it flatter
[06:53] <liz4rd> lol
[06:53] <kalenedrael> i'm not a fan of shadows and things that look really 3D on the desktop
[06:53] <liz4rd> monchy check there agian see what my screen looks like :D
[06:54] <liz4rd> kalenedrael: upload your screen man :)
[06:54] <kalenedrael> one sec
[06:54] <liz4rd> http://irclikelife.com/liz4rd/upload/
[06:54] <kalenedrael> let me finish this
[06:54] <monchy> nice, i see you like dave lanhams stuff too
[06:54] <liz4rd> username: public password: user
[06:54] <liz4rd> yeah he's my hero
[06:54] <monchy> somatic should be ported over
[06:54] <liz4rd> i know
[06:54] <liz4rd> i love that icon set
[06:54] <monchy> theme,icons the works
[06:54] <liz4rd> yeah
[06:55] <liz4rd> he's a great artist
[06:55] <liz4rd> and i like that style of didgital art
[06:55] <liz4rd> http://evasivx.bioviral.net :D
[06:55] <monchy> how'd you minimize the top taskbar like that
[06:55] <kalenedrael> a screenshot from kde: http://www.kc0udt.com/kal/images/Temp/black-white-background.png
[06:55] <kalenedrael> oh, that's from fedora core 3
[06:55] <kalenedrael> how gay... let me find a newer one
[06:56] <liz4rd> nah upload them to mine
[06:56] <liz4rd> so everyone can see
[06:56] <liz4rd> name it kalenedrael_screenshot.png for example
[06:56] <liz4rd> so we know whos it is
[06:57] <Bachus9000> Well, I'm trying to get various acpi related things working on my laptop (Presario 2199US).  The laptop has a "fn" key which does a couple things.  1) you can hold it down and use the right side of the keyboard as a number pad and 2) fn+f1 and fn+f2 dims and brightens the screen.  Use 1 works fine but use 2 does not.  I find this weird as this has worked without trouble in several distributions I've tried recently including Debian. :
[06:57] <Bachus9000> ntu, but the response time is antagonizingly slow in those cases.
[06:59] <kalenedrael> uploaded
[06:59] <kalenedrael> that's KDE 3.4 on kubuntu
[06:59] <Bachus9000> I'm also having "fun" problems with sleep and hibernation, but I'll worry about those in a bit.
[07:00] <kalenedrael> with an eterm open and one of about 20 random background
[07:00] <kalenedrael> s
[07:00] <kalenedrael> Bachus9000, don't even try suspend/resume
[07:00] <liz4rd> sweet
[07:00] <monchy> how did you get your taskbar so small liz4rd?
[07:00] <liz4rd> how do you get the term completely transparent?
[07:00] <kalenedrael> -0 -x
[07:01] <kalenedrael> and a bunch of other options
[07:01] <liz4rd> monchy: member the settings button?
[07:01] <kalenedrael> let's see
[07:01] <liz4rd> click it
[07:01] <Bachus9000> kalenedrael: I've actually almost got hibernation working...so long as I stay at the console.
[07:01] <monchy> k
[07:01] <liz4rd> then go to xfce panel
[07:01] <monchy> k
[07:02] <kalenedrael> -0 -x --buttonbar=no --scrollbar=no --font-fx none -g 135x52+700+0 -f white
[07:02] <liz4rd> cool i use aterm and i use:
[07:02] <kalenedrael> the full command is "Eterm -0 -x --buttonbar=no --scrollbar=no --font-fx none -g 135x52+700+0 -f white"
[07:02] <liz4rd> aterm -tr -tint white -sh 40 -fg green +sb -fb monospace
[07:04] <newb> hi guys, i got a problem with the sound set up.  when i run the live disk the sound works.  When i installed kubuntu it didn't auto-detect.  can anyone suggest how i might save the sound settings to disk to transfer to the installed os?
[07:05] <liz4rd> ok
[07:05] <liz4rd> what sound card you got?
[07:05] <newb> i dunno, just about to ring the pc company i bought it from
[07:06] <liz4rd> should
[07:06] <liz4rd> you always need to know that
[07:07] <liz4rd> monchy: you have a messed up resalution :P
[07:07] <newb> k, its an ac97 intergrated realtech
[07:07] <monchy> 1152
[07:07] <liz4rd> newb: o god
[07:07] <monchy> any higher and i have to settle for 60hz, hurts my eyes
[07:07] <liz4rd> um.....
[07:07] <newb> ah :(
[07:07] <Octane> anyone recommend a good sql browser
[07:07] <Octane> mysql browser that is
[07:07] <liz4rd> i dont notice anything and i'm on 60 hz
[07:08] <newb> i installed kubuntu last week and it worked :S
[07:08] <liz4rd> yeah...
[07:08] <liz4rd> um
[07:08] <liz4rd> try this
[07:08] <liz4rd> sudo modprobe snd_ac97
[07:08] <liz4rd> tell me if you hear sound when you play something
[07:08] <liz4rd> or if you get any errrors
[07:09] <newb> k, im running live now so ill have to go back to the hd os.
[07:09] <liz4rd> ...
[07:09] <liz4rd> how dare you
[07:09] <liz4rd> :P jk
[07:09] <newb> anothr little problem im having is that when im in "dos" i cant get to the gui
[07:09] <liz4rd> dos
[07:09] <liz4rd> LMFAO
[07:09] <liz4rd> type startx
[07:09] <newb> im too retarded to even boot up the thing up 
[07:09] <newb> ah, thanks liz4rd
[07:09] <liz4rd> np
[07:10] <newb> brb :D
[07:10] <liz4rd> ok
[07:10] <liz4rd> silly lil newbs
[07:10] <liz4rd> :P
[07:10] <kalenedrael> :P
[07:10] <liz4rd> omg i'm more n00bish tho should here me in here some times " OMG HOW DO I DO THIS"!@!!!!
[07:10] <monchy> yeah it's anything below 72hz that's bad for your eyes and will make your eyes tired fast (had to look that up :p)
[07:10] <kalenedrael> bullshit
[07:10] <liz4rd> never new that
[07:11] <kalenedrael> actually, that's for CRTs
[07:11] <kalenedrael> on LCDs the image persists longer and 60Hz is fine
[07:11] <liz4rd> i'm on a big white thing
[07:11] <kalenedrael> that's probably a CRT, then
[07:11] <liz4rd> XD
[07:11] <monchy> lol
[07:11] <liz4rd> yeah
[07:12] <liz4rd> w/e i dont mide i run it on 1280x1024 cuz i like the resalution :P
[07:12] <liz4rd> OMG...where is everyone
[07:12] <liz4rd> i want more screenshots
[07:12] <liz4rd> :P
[07:12] <monchy> i'll just wait till the LCD's drop in price and then get a 19 inch
[07:13] <liz4rd> yeah good idea
[07:13] <monchy> you know how expensive computer parts are here lol
[07:13] <liz4rd> brb i changed the transparency for my terms
[07:13] <Bachus9000> So no one has any ideas about my fn-key woes?
[07:14] <liz4rd> no i dont how much?
[07:15] <monchy> a puny 15 inch LCD is 400 bucks + tax
[07:15] <liz4rd> :O
[07:15] <liz4rd> that sucks man
[07:16] <monchy> yeah, go canada lol :(
[07:16] <liz4rd> :P
[07:16] <liz4rd> what are some fun things to do in your term?
[07:17] <monchy> my term? oO
[07:17] <liz4rd> no i mean period
[07:17] <liz4rd> cause i'm bored out of my skull
[07:17] <monchy> if your old enough go to a bar
[07:18] <liz4rd> in my term?
[07:18] <liz4rd> :P
[07:18] <monchy> no, just saying, if your bored, go to a bar
[07:18] <monchy> have some suicide hot wings w/ whisky sauce
[07:18] <monchy> & you won't be bored anymore
[07:18] <liz4rd> tuerten: I CAMAND YOU TO UPLOAD YOUR SCREENSHOT TO http://irclikelife.com/liz4rd/upload/ username: public password: user
[07:19] <liz4rd> command*
[07:19] <liz4rd> ma bad
[07:19] <monchy> mm just thinkin about those wings makes me hungry
[07:19] <liz4rd> i should get a short url or something
[07:19] <liz4rd> lol
[07:19] <tuerten> mmm, its the newb back.  i fixed my broken screen, and tried the sudo modprobe you told me
[07:19] <liz4rd> and?
[07:20] <tuerten> reply was FATAL: Module snd ac97 not found
[07:20] <liz4rd> fuck nuts
[07:20] <liz4rd> what was the ther part to your card?
[07:20] <liz4rd> realtek
[07:20] <liz4rd> or something
[07:20] <liz4rd> how do you spell it?
[07:21] <tuerten> yeah, realtek. its the brand
[07:21] <liz4rd> ds9bsd: I COMMAND YOU TO UPLOAD YOUR SCREENSHOT TO http://irclikelife.com/liz4rd/upload/ username: public password: user
[07:21] <liz4rd> try sudo modprobe snd_realtek 
[07:22] <liz4rd> rideout: I COMMAND YOU TO UPLOAD YOUR SCREENSHOT TO http://irclikelife.com/liz4rd/upload/ username: public password: user ^_^
[07:22] <monchy> lol
[07:22] <liz4rd> lol had to add the ^_^
[07:22] <liz4rd> i'm just gonna be a penis and do this to everone who comes in here when i'm around :P
[07:23] <monchy> do it in #ubuntu ... if you dare! ;p
[07:23] <liz4rd> oh will i!!!
[07:23] <tuerten> yeah, same thing but no realtek module
[07:24] <liz4rd> dam
[07:24] <tuerten> mmm
[07:24] <monchy> you updated to 4.2.2 btw?
[07:24] <tuerten> me?
[07:24] <monchy> sorry, liz4rd
[07:25] <rideout> liz4rd: mine's up
[07:25] <liz4rd> ok
[07:25] <rideout> wait, no it isn't
[07:25] <liz4rd> lol
[07:25] <liz4rd> tell me when
[07:26] <rideout> done
[07:26] <rideout> boring, no?
[07:27] <liz4rd> you have...A BIG MOTHER FUCKING DESKTOP MAN
[07:27] <monchy> yeah no shit lol
[07:28] <rideout> 1920x1280
[07:28] <monchy> crikey
[07:28] <rideout> laptop though, so I have to make all the fonts really big to read anything, but dvds look great
[07:30] <liz4rd> i bet
[07:30] <liz4rd> #debian people are assholes
[07:31] <monchy> really, i would've pegged the gentoo people to be the jerky ones
[07:31] <monchy> ok brb
[07:31] <liz4rd> no one was an ass
[07:32] <liz4rd> another said ok
[07:32] <liz4rd> hey micro
[07:32] <microhaxo> yo, whats the DEFAULT password for the ROOT shell?
[07:32] <microhaxo> this is pizzorin me off
[07:32] <liz4rd> lol
[07:32] <liz4rd> your username password ^_^
[07:32] <tuerten> sorry, liz4rd, any further ideas onthe sound card?
[07:32] <microhaxo> it doesnt work
[07:33] <microhaxo> i have installed these ati drivers and it made kde not run, the xorg config was FUBAR so i had to reinstall
[07:33] <microhaxo> lol
[07:33] <liz4rd> sorry try googling....?
[07:33] <rideout> microhaxo: try $ sudo su
[07:33] <liz4rd> no
[07:33] <tuerten> mmm, sorry
[07:33] <liz4rd> sudo -s
[07:33] <rideout> then $ passwd
[07:33] <liz4rd> its sudo -s (then your username passwd)
[07:33] <microhaxo> it already says root
[07:33] <microhaxo> lol
[07:33] <liz4rd> but i wouldnt unlock the root account
[07:33] <microhaxo> dont need to enter password
[07:34] <microhaxo> I need to in order to isntall these DAMN drivers
[07:34] <microhaxo> unless someone wanna one on one tell me exactly how to do so.
[07:35] <monchy> k that didn't work lol
[07:35] <liz4rd> microhaxo: sudo -s (then your username passwor)
[07:35] <liz4rd> that should get you into your root
[07:35] <liz4rd> then run the commands from there
[07:35] <liz4rd> monchy: what are you playing around with?
[07:35] <monchy> updating to xfce 4.2.2
[07:36] <rideout> microhaxo: what kernel are you running if you are using a kernel from main then the linux-restricted-modules-flavor should have the fglrx modules all set to go
[07:36] <microhaxo> im usin amd64 kernel
[07:36] <rideout> 2.6.?
[07:36] <microhaxo> yea
[07:36] <microhaxo> newest release
[07:36] <microhaxo> 5.04.2
[07:37] <liz4rd> monchy: i think your already current
[07:37] <microhaxo> ok, so im followin this guide, but with updated driver rpm, i have converted it already to deb but i cant to this sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite
[07:37] <monchy> oh, were the 4.2.2 fixes backported?
[07:37] <microhaxo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22496&highlight=ati+drivers
[07:37] <liz4rd> eh?
[07:39] <rideout> microhaxo: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[07:41] <liz4rd> wtf is with eveyone using Konversation?
[07:41] <liz4rd> :P
[07:42] <closure> liz4rd, i don't know anybody using it
[07:42] <monchy> lol i like it
[07:43] <closure> -closure- VERSION xchat 2.4.3 Linux 2.6.10-5-386 [i686/448.20MHz] 
[07:43] <monchy> whats your beef with konversation liz :p
[07:43] <liz4rd> nothing
[07:43] <liz4rd> just alot of people are using it
[07:43] <liz4rd> and its fugly
[07:43] <liz4rd> why not xchat or irssi or even BitchX?
[07:43] <liz4rd> :P
[07:43] <liz4rd> those are teh l337
[07:44] <monchy> they all do the same thing
[07:44] <liz4rd> I COMMAND ikypakis TO UPLOAD YOUR SCREENSHOTS TO http://irclikelife.com/liz4rd/upload/ username: public password: user ^_^
[07:48] <microhaxo> $hit!
[07:48] <liz4rd> monchy: what do you type to upgrade to 4.2.2?
[07:48] <liz4rd> what now microhaxo ?
[07:48] <monchy> you have to add debian repositories
[07:49] <microhaxo> i just went through the CONFIG deal fglrxconfig
[07:49] <microhaxo> and did all that
[07:49] <microhaxo> but now
[07:49] <monchy> but they are safe for ubuntu, it's been tested
[07:49] <microhaxo> xorg.conf is BLANK and it says NEW
[07:49] <microhaxo> so if i reboot im FUBAR
[07:49] <microhaxo> right?!
[07:49] <liz4rd> XD
[07:49] <liz4rd> yup
[07:49] <microhaxo> ...
[07:49] <microhaxo> how the hell do i fix this
[07:49] <liz4rd> uh....
[07:50] <liz4rd> google ^_^
[07:50] <microhaxo> beh..
[07:50] <liz4rd> i alwasy use google whne i have no answer to a question
[07:50] <liz4rd> :P
[07:50] <monchy> ok brb just want to see if it updated correctly
[07:50] <microhaxo> i needs help
[07:50] <microhaxo> lol
[07:50] <liz4rd> what if i give you mine?
[07:50] <microhaxo> sure?
[07:50] <liz4rd> and just change the part about the nvidia stuff
[07:50] <microhaxo> will it auto detect
[07:50] <microhaxo> and change it?
[07:50] <liz4rd> no
[07:51] <liz4rd> or wait i know
[07:51] <microhaxo> :D
[07:51] <liz4rd> ctrl + alt + F1 or F2 and type xorgconfig
[07:51] <liz4rd> then restart
[07:51] <liz4rd> hi jql
[07:58] <liz4rd> where the hell is monchy :(
[08:02] <liz4rd> OMG
[08:02] <liz4rd> I MISSED YOU
[08:02] <liz4rd> NEVER DO THIS TO ME AGIAN
[08:02] <liz4rd> ^_^
[08:02] <monchy> penguin came back?
[08:03] <liz4rd> wtf?
[08:03] <liz4rd> no you
[08:03] <liz4rd> silly
[08:03] <monchy> oh lol
[08:03] <liz4rd> jeeze
[08:03] <liz4rd> so?
[08:03] <liz4rd> did it update
[08:03] <monchy> well, everything seemed to go fine, but it didnt change to 4.2.2
[08:03] <liz4rd> why
[08:04] <monchy> i have no idea, i did the upgrade, it downloaded and installed perfectly
[08:04] <liz4rd> can you tell me the debian respo and where to instert it?
[08:05] <kakalto> how can I format a hdd fat32?
[08:05] <monchy> liz4rd: http://www.os-works.com/view/debian/
[08:06] <monchy> you'll have to authenticate the repositories, so go here after. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptAuthenticationInstructionsForHoary
[08:06] <monchy> the key you need is: 0x8AC2C0A6
[08:08] <Ghetek> i have to input 5 passwords when the computer starts and that includes kde wallet... something is wrong here
[08:09] <liz4rd> lol
[08:10] <Ghetek> seriously! i have to input for kopete aim, kopete msn, kopete irc, gmail checker, kdewallet...
[08:10] <monchy> yeah the wallet sucks for stuff like that
[08:10] <liz4rd> thats savage :P
[08:10] <monchy> just don't use it i say lol
[08:10] <Ghetek> sigh
[08:10] <rideout> kakalto: mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/hdxx 
[08:11] <liz4rd> brb gonna go update to xfce4.2.2
[08:11] <rideout> you might want to screw around with fdisk or parted first (sounds fun AND dangerous)
[08:12] <monchy> good luck liz
[08:12] <Ghetek> yeah good luck
[08:12] <kakalto> rideout, thanks :))
[08:13] <kakalto> rideout, don't worry, it's a seperate disk
[08:14] <rideout> kakalto: your welcome
[08:14] <kakalto> yay!
[08:14] <kakalto> I just need to transfer this disk to my proper compy
[08:14] <kakalto> then I have an extra 76GB of space
[08:15] <kakalto> yay!
[08:17] <liz4rd> xfce4 is already the newest version.
[08:17] <liz4rd> WTF
[08:17] <monchy> oO
[08:19] <liz4rd> now what
[08:19] <monchy> i'm checking the backport forums to see if it was requested or done
[08:19] <rideout> Ghetek: I am just now firguring out my approach to stomp this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92845
[08:19] <liz4rd> ok
[08:19] <microhaxo> ok...
[08:19] <microhaxo> installed
[08:20] <liz4rd> what is
[08:20] <microhaxo> i have an ATI controle panel deal but when i select it i it dont load
[08:20] <liz4rd> lol
[08:20] <microhaxo> how do i save xorg.conf file in the shell again ?
[08:21] <liz4rd> using pico?
[08:21] <rideout> liz4rd: do you use /etc/apt/preferences ?
[08:21] <microhaxo> yea
[08:21] <liz4rd> ctrl x then y for yes then enter
[08:21] <rideout> control-x to exit nano/pico and y to say yes
[08:21] <rideout> for save
[08:21] <microhaxo> k
[08:22] <microhaxo> aight i edited it
[08:22] <microhaxo> img onna reboot
[08:22] <liz4rd> k
[08:24] <microhaxo> aight
[08:24] <microhaxo> i did everything
[08:24] <liz4rd> cool?
[08:24] <liz4rd> yay monchy!!!
[08:24] <microhaxo> i have an ati control pannel, but when i select it it loads for ever and it doesnt pop up.
[08:25] <microhaxo> whats the command to run that gears program to see my ftps?
[08:25] <monchy> aha
[08:26] <monchy> ok, go into (k)synaptic liz4rd
[08:26] <monchy> search for xfld-desktop
[08:26] <monchy> current version should be 4.2.1.1-2 and should be upgradable
[08:27] <rideout> microhaxo: fgl_glxgears, but try fglrxinfo first to see if you are actually using the driver
[08:27] <liz4rd> both those arnt found...
[08:27] <monchy> wha
[08:27] <liz4rd> yeah i know
[08:27] <monchy> what about searching for xfce
[08:27] <microhaxo> wtf guys, im only getting like 144 fps in glxgears..
[08:29] <monchy> micro get used to ati drivers being this difficult lol
[08:29] <rideout> microhaxo: what do you get for dmesg | grep mtrr
[08:30] <kakalto> here goes...
[08:30] <kakalto> wish luck, guys
[08:30] <liz4rd> luck
[08:31] <kakalto> grr..
[08:31] <kakalto> case won't even come off
[08:31] <microhaxo> this is CRAP! fglrxinfo mesa!
[08:32] <rideout> microhaxo: what is the output of $cat /proc/mtrr
[08:33] <liz4rd> brb gonna go see if xfce works
[08:34] <microhaxo> rideout how the hell do i get the output of that?
[08:34] <microhaxo> im new
[08:34] <microhaxo> brand new
[08:34] <rideout> microhaxo: ok, open konsole to get the cli
[08:35] <rideout> then cut and paste the following "cat /proc/mtrr"
[08:35] <kakalto> is there any problems with making a cd drive a slave to a hdd?
[08:35] <rideout> cat just outputs the text of a file
[08:35] <kakalto> it's been a while since I messed with this stuff
[08:36] <liz4rd> meh fuck it
[08:36] <liz4rd> the current xfce is fine
[08:36] <liz4rd> hey 
[08:36] <liz4rd> so?
[08:36] <liz4rd> i tryed
[08:36] <rideout> microhaxo: i'm guessing you have one of the most common problems with ati binary drivers, discussed here http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33736241
[08:36] <liz4rd> said it installed
[08:36] <liz4rd> but no version change
[08:37] <monchy> still says 4.2.1-1 but according to (k)synaptic i'm already updated lol
[08:37] <liz4rd> yeah :P
[08:37] <monchy> so i guess were updated and that just never changed oO
[08:37] <liz4rd> lol yeah
[08:38] <liz4rd> sudo xfce4-panel --version
[08:38] <liz4rd> thast still fucked
[08:38] <rideout> microhaxo: basicaly ubuntu is reserving the video ram of your card for the framebuffer (the screen when you boot up) and it set it to use less memory than your card
[08:38] <rideout> mine was set to 16 mb for a 128mb card
[08:40] <rideout> liz4rd: how is xfce4 (the old version anyway ;) I was thinking of putting it on an old thinkbook I just got. That or fluxbox
[08:40] <liz4rd> its sweet
[08:40] <liz4rd> runs really fast
[08:40] <monchy> nice and fast
[08:40] <monchy> what he said
[08:40] <liz4rd> :P
[08:41] <monchy> and the rodent is fun to look at
[08:41] <liz4rd> lol yeah
[08:41] <rideout> mice are tasty creatures
[08:41] <monchy> ew
[08:41] <liz4rd> ewie
[08:42] <rideout> oh, come on, your handle is lizard for zeus sake
[08:43] <liz4rd> monchy...use any IM clients?
[08:43] <liz4rd> lol mice are diff
[08:43] <monchy> kopete
[08:43] <monchy> yes i know it sucks
[08:43] <microhaxo> guys
[08:43] <microhaxo> when i ctrl alt F2 out how can i come back?
[08:44] <liz4rd> oops i ment do you use like msn or jabber and what not
[08:44] <monchy> oh, yeah i use msn & aim on it
[08:44] <liz4rd> microhaxo: startx... i think
[08:44] <microhaxo> it says session already blah
[08:44] <rideout> no
[08:44] <liz4rd> can i have your msn?
[08:44] <rideout> alt fx-6 or something
[08:44] <microhaxo> fx?
[08:44] <microhaxo> oh
[08:44] <microhaxo> yea
[08:44] <microhaxo> l
[08:44] <liz4rd> wtf
[08:44] <microhaxo> k
[08:44] <monchy> there, in pm
[08:45] <rideout> try the alt-F6 or alt-F7
[08:45] <rideout> it switches between all the ttys fore each f-key
[08:49] <rideout> in x though you need to control-alt
[08:51] <microhaxo> wth
[08:51] <microhaxo> my printer will print a TEST PAGE
[08:51] <microhaxo> but wont print anything else
[08:51] <microhaxo> lol
[08:51] <transgress> oh where is he?  someone's gonna pay
[08:51] <liz4rd> LMFAO
[08:51] <transgress> who's messing with my man?
[08:51] <liz4rd> sleeping :(
[08:51] <liz4rd> dont hurt him
[08:52] <monchy> lol
[08:52] <transgress> sleeping... that's the best time... that scream of surprise.,
[08:52] <liz4rd> i swear it'll be over tomorrow
[08:52] <transgress> first my girlfriend... now you too!  that's it.  
[08:52] <microhaxo> damn i swear, linux is HARD...
[08:52] <transgress> linux is hard?  you should try finding someone who doesn't cheat!
[08:53] <transgress> that's hard.
[08:53] <liz4rd> omg no you didnt
[08:53] <transgress> anyway... off to hurt and maul someone.
[08:53] <liz4rd> :( ok
[08:53] <monchy> kiss and make up
[08:53] <transgress> microhaxo: let me get you a link to some good startup tutorials
[08:54] <mrmanic> I cheat
[08:54] <mrmanic> I cheat at pretty much every game I play
[08:54] <liz4rd> :O oh no you didnt
[08:54] <mrmanic> I cheated at half life 2
[08:54] <monchy> :o
[08:54] <monchy> that's blasphemy
[08:54] <transgress> microhaxo: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ and http://www.sloppycode.net/nix/
[08:54] <liz4rd> #kubuntu...whereall the saps come to confess
[08:55] <rideout> I did it, *sob*, and I am sooo sorry...
[08:55] <liz4rd> LMFAO!
[08:55] <liz4rd> alright now everyone fess up
[08:55] <microhaxo> SAy guys
[08:55] <kakalto> uhmm...
[08:55] <liz4rd> guys
[08:55] <microhaxo> my xorg.conf is saved at my home, could this be why my ati drivers ant workin? lol
[08:55] <liz4rd> OMG I'M TEH L337!!
[08:55] <tuerten> where would i find modules.conf?
[08:55] <microhaxo> should  i move it to etc and shiz?
[08:56] <liz4rd> tuerten:
[08:56] <liz4rd> i'll help you out
[08:56] <rideout> microhaxo: YES!
[08:56] <rideout> at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:56] <microhaxo> hhahaha
[08:56] <microhaxo> im slow
[08:56] <microhaxo> k
[08:56] <liz4rd> tuerten: /etc/modules
[08:56] <microhaxo> ill move it there
[08:57] <liz4rd> modules is a file
[08:57] <microhaxo> err
[08:57] <microhaxo> i cant go there
[08:57] <microhaxo> file://etc/x11
[08:58] <tuerten> ta
[08:58] <liz4rd> ?
[08:58] <rideout> microhaxo: at the command prompt $sudo mv /home/user/xorg.conf /etc/X11/.
[08:58] <microhaxo> woa woah
[08:58] <microhaxo> its there
[08:59] <microhaxo> but when i go to edit it in shelll
[08:59] <liz4rd> lmao
[08:59] <microhaxo> it says new
[08:59] <microhaxo> and its blank
[08:59] <rideout> you need root permissions
[08:59] <tuerten> the file /etc/modues.conf says it is a new file?
[08:59] <rideout> to edit
[08:59] <liz4rd> no no no
[08:59] <liz4rd> tuerten: just /etc/modules
[08:59] <liz4rd> its a file
[08:59] <rideout> tuerten: debian based systems don't use modules.conf
[08:59] <microhaxo> Ok, this is whats FUBAR, mk.. i have viewed this xorg.conf, and it has ALL MY ATI stuff, however i still am gettin shitty ass stuff in the xgears deal
[08:59] <tuerten> k cool, thanks
[09:00] <rideout> microhaxo: you need to restart the x server
[09:00] <liz4rd> OMG DAY CHANGED
[09:00] <kakalto> hehe
[09:00] <transgress> two hours ago
[09:00] <transgress> loony
[09:00] <kakalto> 19 hours ago
[09:00] <transgress> can't tell time
[09:00] <kakalto> :PP
[09:00] <liz4rd> well this server is on a diff time
[09:00] <rideout> tuerten: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/modules.html
[09:01] <transgress> i don't believe you
[09:01] <liz4rd> its cuz i cheated isnt it
[09:01] <rideout> CHEATER!!!
[09:01] <liz4rd> lol i bet penquinboy would be freaked out not knowing whast going on :P
[09:02] <rideout> hey, now I get to show my great weakness, How do you do actions in IRC some /command  ?
[09:03] <microhaxo> Why the hell wont my printer print out a web page?
[09:03] <buz> does it print other things?
[09:03] <kakalto> can I use a wary livecd to install grub to the MBR?
[09:03] <kakalto> oh nvm
[09:04] <kakalto> BBL
[09:04] <liz4rd>  rideout: /me whatever text here
[09:04] <transgress> oh don't you mention his name to me
[09:04] <rideout> awesome
[09:04] <transgress> there will be no penquinboy soon
[09:04] <liz4rd> yeah ,man
[09:04] <liz4rd> welcome
[09:04] <liz4rd> transgress: OMG DONT
[09:05] <tuerten> the next step says to "turn on sound support", is that necessary?
[09:05] <transgress> YES
[09:05] <transgress> next step in what?
[09:05] <liz4rd> Transgress POOP William potter!!! you stop this instant
[09:05] <transgress> because i don't know what you're talking about
[09:05] <monchy> liz4rd tell him about the wedding you had planned
[09:05] <transgress> what is he talking about chris?
[09:05] <liz4rd> sshhh
[09:05] <transgress> tell me!
[09:05] <liz4rd> nooo
[09:06] <liz4rd> monchy: WHYYYYYY!!!!
[09:06] <monchy> ;p
[09:06] <liz4rd> lmfao @ Transgress POOP William potter
[09:06] <transgress> i don't get that ... umm i'm sorry
[09:06] <liz4rd> its your full name
[09:06] <liz4rd> you douce
[09:06] <liz4rd> douche*
[09:06] <tuerten> i'm installing sound drivers for a realtek sound card that wasn't auto-detectd
[09:06] <liz4rd> sweet
[09:07] <liz4rd> bout time eh
[09:07] <liz4rd> what did you put in modules
[09:07] <liz4rd> ?
[09:07] <liz4rd> i had to put snd_sb16 for my sound card
[09:07] <tuerten> haven't changed it yet, i think thats a few steps ahead
[09:07] <liz4rd> ok
[09:07] <transgress> i am not a feminine hygeine product
[09:07] <transgress> you watch your mouth
[09:07] <microhaxo> Ok here is the deal..
[09:07] <microhaxo> i do this:
[09:07] <liz4rd> :O
[09:08] <liz4rd> :( monchy...i didnt wanty to say but..transgress beats me *crys*
[09:08] <transgress> it's cries!  how many times do i have to tell you!?
[09:08] <monchy> maybe you deserve it :p
[09:08] <liz4rd> OMG dont do it :(
[09:08] <microhaxo> cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod     then i do command sh make.sh
[09:08] <microhaxo> i get error with ati deal
[09:09] <transgress> microhaxo: you are trying to install a radeon card?
[09:09] <liz4rd> lol sorry got to go later guys
[09:09] <rideout> \me pours salt in liz4rd's wound
[09:09] <microhaxo> a driver
[09:09] <microhaxo> for it
[09:09] <microhaxo> yea
[09:09] <microhaxo> and its makin me mad
[09:09] <microhaxo> lol
[09:09] <tuerten> thanks lizard
[09:09] <liz4rd> np man
[09:09] <transgress> dude why don't you just pull it from apt?
[09:09] <liz4rd> NIGHT EVERYONE
[09:09] <microhaxo> i have no idea how to do so :|
[09:09] <microhaxo> can yo walk meh through
[09:09] <transgress> microhaxo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:11] <microhaxo> err
[09:11] <microhaxo> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:11] <microhaxo>  /var/cache/apt/archives/xorg-driver-fglrx_6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11_amd64.deb
[09:11] <microhaxo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:11] <microhaxo> ?
[09:12] <kakalto> yay
[09:13] <microhaxo> brb
[09:15] <microhaxo> eh
[09:16] <microhaxo> whats the command to view what gfx driver im usin
[09:16] <kakalto> I have an extra 76GB :D
[09:17] <transgress> microhaxo: glxinfo
[09:17] <transgress> microhaxo: or if you installed fglrx then try fglrxinfo
[09:17] <kakalto> and in the next few days, I'll likely get more and more
[09:17] <microhaxo> wtf
[09:17] <microhaxo> fglrxinfo: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[09:20] <transgress> did you follow the instructions on the page i sent you to?
[09:20] <transgress> -all- of the instructions
[09:21] <microhaxo> Yes
[09:21] <microhaxo> all of em
[09:21] <microhaxo> lol
[09:21] <microhaxo> i get an error
[09:21] <microhaxo> when trying to install
[09:21] <microhaxo> want it?
[09:21] <transgress> when you try apt-get install xorg-fglrx or whatever it's called?
[09:22] <microhaxo> yea
[09:22] <microhaxo> rrors were encountered while processing:
[09:22] <microhaxo>  /var/cache/apt/archives/xorg-driver-fglrx_6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11_amd64.deb
[09:22] <microhaxo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:22] <transgress> hmm
[09:22] <transgress> got me beat on that one
[09:22] <transgress> i don't have a clue
[09:22] <microhaxo> :|
[09:22] <transgress> and i'ma go take a shower
[09:22] <microhaxo> not kew;
[09:22] <transgress> sorry
[09:22] <microhaxo> lol
[09:22] <transgress> ask in #ubuntu
[09:23] <transgress> more people in there and probably someone who might can help
[09:37] <tuerten> heh.  gotta a silly question
[09:38] <tuerten> kynaptic has three buttons.  refresh. upgrade all packages. no.3 commit changes
[09:38] <tuerten> when i click 'commit changes' there is no button to make the changes.
[09:41] <tuerten> ah, sorry there is no problem.  im just retarded.  sorry
[09:41] <transgress> well okay then
[09:42] <tuerten> its just the button wasn't in the window when it was small.  when i made the window bigger i saw the button.  
[09:42] <tuerten> :S
[09:45] <tuerten> thanks for all your help guys :D have a good one, bye
[10:44] <microhaxo> lol guys,  NEED MAJOR HELP with these ati drivers, apparently i have no kernel header fileS?
[10:50] <ukato> what would be the easiest way to get everything from GNOME off my box?
[10:52] <microhaxo> Someone please tell me how to install my ATI drivers
[10:56] <_doneill> is there a right-hand-dvorak layout immediately installable?
[10:56] <_doneill> all i can use is dvorak, and it doesn't seem to have a 'right' in the variants list
[10:56] <_doneill> (or left, for that matter)
[10:58] <microhaxo> Guys i needs help
[10:58] <microhaxo> #ubuntu
[11:17] <_doneill> okay
[11:17] <_doneill> i just mapped it myself :/
[11:20] <microhaxo> #ubuntu
[12:52] <hussam> I've been building firefox from cvs on aviary branch. Other than compiler cpu optimizations such as -O2, are there any performace patches to make firefox faster on linux? It seems a bit faster on windows than on linux.
[02:38] <Heart|> hi
[02:38] <Heart|> wie startet man den konqueror aus einem root-terminal aber "(nicht mit sudo!!!)"?
[02:55] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[02:55] <da_bon_bon> anyone here ?
[02:56] <Tm_T> nope
[02:56] <da_bon_bon> Tm_T: lol
[02:57] <Heart|> oh english channel i forget... my question was: how can i start konqueror from a root-terminal ("not with sudo!!!)?
[02:57] <da_bon_bon> actually, i wanted to say, anyone from india here ?
[02:57] <da_bon_bon> Heart|: konqueror
[02:57] <Heart|> ?
[02:59] <Heart|> only "konqueror" gives me not root rights!?!
[02:59] <da_bon_bon> yes
[02:59] <da_bon_bon> if started from root term
[03:04] <Heart|> yes, but how to come in a root-terminal in kubuntu?
[03:04] <Heart|> su dont works
[03:04] <Heart|> sudo su and then konq. or what to do?
[03:05] <DeadStar> if you want to enable root.. type          sudo passwd root
[03:06] <Heart|> ok and then i can use su
[03:06] <DeadStar> yep
[03:08] <Heart|> one problem i have with kubuntu is that xorg have 20-25% cpu load <-- that's too much i think...normally it should be sth. like 0-2%, shouldn't it?
[03:14] <DeadStar> hmm.. mine is smt 2%..or less
[03:46] <plastbanan> Hi. I am using kubuntu on my laptop (Acer 4502WLMI) and I got a problem that my harddrive seem to spin down all the time. So when an application starts reading the drive is like a 2 sec startup.. I tried setting the hdparm but it does not work.. any sugestions?
[04:23] <_kaz> is there an icon or something that pops up to alert the user of pending updates like in ubuntu?
[04:24] <_sbcl3> can i get 00o 2 from a repository?
[04:25] <_sbcl3> yay; i can
[04:34] <_sbcl3> how do i make an iso image with k3b?
[04:46] <ilba7r> i have a problem with kpdf. when i read files with kghostview i can see it but with kpdf i do not see anything just empty pages
[04:49] <insanekane> ilba7r: asre u viewing a pdf or a ps file ?
[04:50] <ilba7r> pdf
[04:50] <ilba7r> produced by cups-pdf
[04:53] <LuNaTiK^GuY> hey ppl, i just installed kubunutu...and after it configures my system and updates etc etc....it gets to a black/white screen with a moveable cursor and stays there
[04:55] <LuNaTiK^GuY> any help?
[05:04] <LuNaTiK^GuY> hello??!
[05:04] <Tm_T> hm
[05:05] <Tm_T> looks like it doesn't start your DM
[05:06] <LuNaTiK^GuY> what can i do?
[05:06] <Tm_T> good question
[05:07] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[05:07] <Tm_T> check if there's KDM installed
[05:07] <LuNaTiK^GuY> erm.....wait....i'm a total newbie
[05:07] <Tm_T> press ctrl-alt-F2
[05:07] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i know KDM is a desktop manager ok
[05:07] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes i did access the console
[05:07] <Tm_T> ok
[05:07] <LuNaTiK^GuY> (tried to)
[05:07] <LuNaTiK^GuY> it didnt get to the console
[05:07] <Tm_T> then try this: "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:07] <Tm_T> "
[05:08] <Tm_T> ah?
[05:08] <Tm_T> is it ppc?
[05:08] <LuNaTiK^GuY> no
[05:08] <LuNaTiK^GuY> intel
[05:08] <Tm_T> ok
[05:08] <LuNaTiK^GuY> when i tried ctrl+alt+f2, f3, f4
[05:08] <LuNaTiK^GuY> nutting happened
[05:08] <Tm_T> so you can't get access to console?
[05:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> no
[05:09] <Tm_T> great...
[05:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[05:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i was expecting a nice blue (favourite colour) desktop :)
[05:09] <insanekane> what abt ctrl+alt+f1 ?
[05:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> nuttin
[05:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ;)
[05:09] <insanekane> also, u can shut down the X server using ctrl+alt+bksp
[05:10] <LuNaTiK^GuY> neither
[05:10] <plastbanan> have you checked that grub or lilo is setup ok?
[05:10] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes
[05:10] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i actually used grub to boot to kubuntu
[05:10] <LuNaTiK^GuY> coz i'm dualbooting
[05:10] <LuNaTiK^GuY> it works fine
[05:11] <plastbanan> but does it boot kubuntu ok? 
[05:11] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes.....i get these fast moving messages....then the screen changes vga mode...it gets to a grey/black screen...with the mouse showing and stops there
[05:12] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i can still move the mouse though)
[05:13] <plastbanan> Is it the standard X environment?
[05:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i should think so.....its what got installed off the cd
[05:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i didnt touch anything yet
[05:14] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but it looks like X yes
[05:16] <plastbanan> check the settings for the x-server.. It seems to be something wrong there.. 
[05:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i cant
[05:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i cant even get to the console
[05:16] <insanekane> well, if your keyboard works, then ctrl+alt+bksp should shut down the server and ctrl+alt+fx should switch to console
[05:16] <MoreFX> I had a similar problem
[05:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and i wouldnt know wot to check eiether ;)
[05:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm a beginner
[05:16] <MoreFX> it was the graphic driver of X
[05:16] <insanekane> there is only other method ... change the runlevel ... and setup X again from console
[05:17] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: when u get to grub ... move the correct line, press 'e' on the keyboard
[05:17] <MoreFX> you might want to change the driver in xorg.conf to "vesa" an try again
[05:17] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: go to the kernel line, and press 'e' again ... and at the end type init=3 ... press enter
[05:18] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: followed by 'b' ... this should take u into single-user mode in console and allow you to reconfigure the xserver
[05:18] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: to reconfigure the X Server, do this: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ok....i should get to the console.......
[05:18] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: answer the questions ... and when u come back to console ... type startx to start the x server again ... if there are any problems, note the output and come back here
[05:19] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: in general, as MoreFX said, the 'vesa' driver should work
[05:20] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lemme try the configuration
[05:20] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: so, note down the steps above, and try them
[05:20] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes i wrote them down
[05:20] <LuNaTiK^GuY> 10ks alot
[05:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lemme go try it out
[05:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[05:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> "I'll be back"
[05:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> hey ppl
[05:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i managed to fix it ;)
[05:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm on vesa now
[05:42] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: so it worked ?
[05:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes
[05:43] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: did you have to anything else other than my instructions to make it work?
[05:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> no
[05:43] <insanekane> ok good
[05:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> it all went fine
[05:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[05:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> 10ks a lot
[05:43] <insanekane> np
[05:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> there's one thing i want to configure at first sight now....
[05:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> the fonts are a bit large overall
[05:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> is there a way to reduce them in size?
[05:43] <insanekane> seems like we need some display testing mechanism to switch to vesa automatically or something
[05:44] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: yes Control Centre -> Appearance -> Fonts
[05:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> thanks
[05:44] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: it is also quite possible that your resolution might be too low
[05:44] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: you can change than via the dpkg-reconfigure route
[05:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> 1024*768
[05:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> for a 17 inch
[05:44] <insanekane> hmm thats seems to be ok
[05:44] <insanekane> so then change ur fonts
[05:45] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm used to windows...so at first sight everything looked so large......but they're very clear too ;)
[05:45] <insanekane> ok
[05:58] <spiral> hi
[05:59] <Mez> hi
[06:10] <_sbcl3> when i open kynaptic i get this error:
[06:10] <_sbcl3> "Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)"
[06:10] <_sbcl3> what's that mean?
[06:14] <bhna> _sbcl3: have you synaptic or apt-get open?
[06:14] <mmport80> hi all, i want to know how i can load the hci_hcd module with specific params at boot up?
[06:15] <mmport80> ehci_hcd isn't in the /etc/modules file, so that's thrown me off a bit
[06:16] <_sbcl3> bhna: ya. figured it out
[06:17] <bhna> _sbcl3: ok ;-)
[06:29] <_root> where is the console in kubuntu...ie how do i start the console from the start menu?
[06:29] <_sbcl3> Konsole
[06:29] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: System -> Terminal Program (Konsole)
[06:29] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wow
[06:30] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i missed it
[06:30] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[06:30] <LuNaTiK^GuY> sorry
[06:30] <_sbcl3> are you logged in as root???
[06:30] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes
[06:30] <bhna> LuNaTiK^GuY: very bad thing!
[06:30] <insanekane> thats a security issue for yourself, and in this interconnected world, others
[06:30] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :(
[06:31] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: in kubuntu, the best way is ... login as the user (lunatik, say), and whenever u need root priveleges to execute something, use sudo
[06:31] <bhna> or kdesu
[06:31] <LuNaTiK^GuY> oh ic
[06:31] <LuNaTiK^GuY> now
[06:31] <LuNaTiK^GuY> another issue
[06:32] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: in general, the applications/config modules that need root, usually ask for it (by excuting kdesu themselves)
[06:32] <LuNaTiK^GuY> sound works well...coz i get all the kde sounds
[06:32] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but
[06:32] <LuNaTiK^GuY> althogh the cd seems to be playing...i dont get sound
[06:32] <insanekane> audiocd i think require something more ??
[06:32] <insanekane> does it play on windows ?
[06:33] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes sure
[06:33] <LuNaTiK^GuY> on the standard media player
[06:33] <insanekane> ok, did u check the mixer settings for the audio cd output ?
[06:34] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i am in Kmix
[06:34] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and thers isnt cd output
[06:34] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: well, there is some advanced settings and volume controls and things like that ... i dont have sound atm so i cant tell u exactly
[06:35] <Heart_> if i upgraded kde to 3.4.1 with "deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main" in the sources.list...
[06:35] <Heart_> do i have to leave this source in the sources.list?
[06:35] <insanekane> Heart_: well, its a good idea if you want to continue recieving updates i guess
[06:36] <insanekane> Heart_: but to be sure, u'd probably have to ask Riddell about that
[06:36] <Heart_> riddell ?
[06:36] <insanekane> yes Riddel
[06:36] <insanekane> yes Riddell
[06:36] <insanekane> he is in this channel with the nickname "Riddell"
[06:37] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i cant get sound from my cd :(
[06:37] <Heart_> ah k so riddell, what do you think.... best choice i think is to leave it in the list and delete it when breezy comes out
[06:37] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: check more thoroughly in KMix
[06:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lol
[06:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> O_O
[06:38] <insanekane> what ? did you find something ?
[06:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm lookin
[06:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> logically....wots input and output for kmix?
[06:40] <Riddell> Heart_: yes, leave it there as long as you are on hoary and want kde 3.4.1
[06:40] <insanekane> oh ... sorry ... you should be looking in cd inputs ;)
[06:40] <insanekane> hi Riddell 
[06:41] <Riddell> hola
[06:41] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ok i got cd...but i have two buttons...one is red, the other is green
[06:43] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: change the red to green
[06:43] <insanekane> and then try
[06:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ...no i got two seperate buttons.....red and green....so i guess i keep the green on and put the red off?
[06:45] <insanekane> yes
[06:45] <LuNaTiK^GuY> nothing
[06:45] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :(
[06:48] <_sbcl3> in kynaptic, how do you get rid of those "held packages"?
[06:48] <_sbcl3> i want to upgrade to ooo2 but i don't think they'll let me
[06:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how can i access my win drive?
[06:51] <KaiL_hoary> _sbcl3: why not?
[06:51] <foodcoman> LuNaTiK^GuY: check out windows section of www.ubuntuguide.org.
[06:52] <_sbcl3> it may have been a server problem; i'll find out in a minute
[06:52] <KaiL_hoary> see topic about server problems
[06:52] <foodcoman> Dont know what Im doin with apt-get!
[06:53] <foodcoman> Why wont these update?
[06:53] <foodcoman> libavcodeccvs libpostproc0 libxvidcore4 mplayer-386
[07:00] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i manage to mount my first windows partition hda1....but when i try to mount hda2 (a second windos partition) i get an error
[07:01] <LuNaTiK^GuY> mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[07:01] <LuNaTiK^GuY> this works for my first
[07:01] <LuNaTiK^GuY> changed to: mount /dev/hda2 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[07:01] <Tm_T> errr
[07:01] <LuNaTiK^GuY> it wont work
[07:01] <Tm_T> hmm, does someone have dpi settings in xorg.conf?
[07:04] <foodcoman> Is both partitions NTFS?
[07:04] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes
[07:04] <foodcoman> Also you are trying to mount both to same dir
[07:04] <foodcoman> mak a windows2 or something
[07:04] <foodcoman> Change the second command to point to the second dir you make.
[07:05] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ohhh ic 
[07:05] <LuNaTiK^GuY> windows2 ;)
[07:05] <foodcoman> You got it.
[07:06] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda2,
[07:06] <foodcoman> BTW, I suck compaired to most here!  Keep that in mind when the tough questions come.
[07:06] <LuNaTiK^GuY>        missing codepage or other error
[07:06] <LuNaTiK^GuY>        (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition,
[07:06] <LuNaTiK^GuY>        instead of some logical partition inside?)
[07:06] <LuNaTiK^GuY>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[07:06] <LuNaTiK^GuY>        dmesg | tail  or so
[07:06] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wrong fs type....and i'm sure its ntfs!!
[07:08] <foodcoman> Hrmm
[07:08] <foodcoman> ls your /media dir to make sure you have the windows and windows2 dir.
[07:08] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes i have both
[07:08] <foodcoman> that is LS in lower case  use a -L lower case for additional info.
[07:09] <foodcoman> mount /dev/hda2 /media/windows2/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[07:09] <foodcoman> Now are you sure the system has it as hda2 for that second partition?
[07:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes it doesnt work
[07:09] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: sudo mount /dev/hda2 /media/windows2/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[07:10] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: add a sudo just before it (unless ur already running in root)
[07:10] <LuNaTiK^GuY> same error
[07:10] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i am in root
[07:10] <insanekane> ok remove the -o thingy
[07:10] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i removed it and i got a screen of text
[07:11] <insanekane> paste it in #flood
[07:12] <insanekane> sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /media/windows2/
[07:12] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /media/windows2/
[07:13] <LuNaTiK^GuY> same error
[07:13] <insanekane> ok maybe u dont have the module for ntfs loaded ??
[07:14] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but i already mounted my first ntfs drive
[07:14] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and it works fine
[07:14] <insanekane> wait ... what cmmand did u use for that ?
[07:14] <LuNaTiK^GuY> mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[07:14] <insanekane> ok .
[07:14] <insanekane> do this ..
[07:14] <insanekane> ls /media
[07:14] <LuNaTiK^GuY> then i created another directory "windows2"
[07:14] <insanekane> tell me the o/p
[07:14] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and did
[07:15] <LuNaTiK^GuY> mount /dev/hda2 /media/windows2/ -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[07:15] <insanekane> hmm ok
[07:15] <insanekane> keep -t ntfs before /dev....
[07:15] <insanekane> and remove -o umask=0222
[07:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ie:   sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hda2 /media/windows2/ 
[07:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ?
[07:16] <insanekane> yes
[07:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> same error
[07:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wrong fs type
[07:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :(
[07:16] <insanekane> ok
[07:16] <insanekane> do fdisk -l
[07:16] <LuNaTiK^GuY> oh christtt
[07:17] <LuNaTiK^GuY> wait
[07:17] <LuNaTiK^GuY> the hda's arent in order
[07:17] <LuNaTiK^GuY> !!!!
[07:17] <insanekane> eh ?
[07:17] <LuNaTiK^GuY> its hda5!!
[07:17] <insanekane> oh right ..
[07:17] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: its always a good idea to do "fdisk -l"
[07:17] <insanekane>  to check the partitions and partition types before mount
[07:17] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i got the point now ;)
[07:18] <insanekane> anyway, dont worry, in the near future u wont have to do all this nonsense to mount a drive
[07:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> y not?
[07:18] <LuNaTiK^GuY> mandrake has a nice automounting thingy....y dont u do it>?
[07:19] <insanekane> yes we are brining the same thing ...
[07:19] <insanekane> we are bringing
[07:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> good
[07:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[07:19] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ok mp3's work fine
[07:20] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[07:20] <LuNaTiK^GuY> cd is the only problem with sound now
[07:21] <insanekane> ok ... u probably need to start using the bugzilla or something to report all this
[07:21] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ?
[07:23] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: bugzilla is the method to resolve such issues, ie, audio cd not playing etc
[07:24] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and how do i get to it?
[07:24] <insanekane> bugzilla.ubuntu.com i believe
[07:27] <insanekane> of course it completely depends on ur perspective ... whether you believe kubuntu is a movement/community, or an operating system distro
[07:27] <LuNaTiK^GuY> what do u mean?
[07:27] <LuNaTiK^GuY> can i be honest....
[07:27] <insanekane> well, if u consider it as a distro ... then it is enough to rant about it in here ;)
[07:27] <insanekane> yes u may
[07:28] <insanekane> as a matter of fact, so far, i have expected u to be honest ;)
[07:28] <LuNaTiK^GuY> this isnt about kubuntu or ububntu...its about wot i've felt trying diverse distros
[07:28] <insanekane> ok ...
[07:28] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i like linux...the gui's are cute...i personally like them alot....some applications are cute too
[07:28] <insanekane> but ?
[07:28] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but there's this thing....coming from a windows world....
[07:29] <LuNaTiK^GuY> everything worked....every time
[07:29] <LuNaTiK^GuY> while with every distro i tried....kmix worked fine in mandrake, but not in kubuntu......parittioning worked fine in ubuntu...but not in yoper
[07:29] <LuNaTiK^GuY> that sort of thing
[07:30] <LuNaTiK^GuY> a sort of weak point in every distro
[07:30] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and i was thinking.....instead of spreading out even further....why doesn;t the linux community focus on giving fewer, yet better assembled distros?
[07:30] <insanekane> because thats the point
[07:31] <insanekane> what should a distro focus on ?
[07:31] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i know it is...its open source
[07:31] <insanekane> and, for me, windows was not all that perfect as it seems ...
[07:31] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but
[07:31] <insanekane> whether it is open source or not ..
[07:31] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i know..it isnt perfect
[07:31] <LuNaTiK^GuY> nothing is
[07:31] <insanekane> *what* should a distro focus on ? there a gazillion different things a distro must do
[07:32] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ok....
[07:32] <LuNaTiK^GuY> what about...a fast, clean distro
[07:32] <insanekane> there should be applications, hardware support, eye-candy, overall usability, localization and handling cultural differences ..
[07:32] <LuNaTiK^GuY> with a GUI and admin stuff
[07:32] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and nothing else
[07:32] <insanekane> thats the problem, different people have different ideas about what consitutes an OS
[07:32] <LuNaTiK^GuY> then let the user decide what to install and what to leave out
[07:33] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but the base system should be rock solid
[07:33] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: thats another problem: most users wouldn't even know what to install :)
[07:33] <insanekane> again, u come to rock solid
[07:33] <insanekane> let me try to explain it in a different way
[07:33] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'm not arguing against kubuntu mind you...
[07:34] <LuNaTiK^GuY> just sharing an idea
[07:34] <insanekane> sure, i didnt think so since you mentioned other distros :)
[07:34] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes its a general thing
[07:34] <insanekane> yes, it is indicative of a general feeling that linux newbies have
[07:35] <insanekane> the point is, the tools exist ... from gui and admin tools and what not ... atleast within kubuntu, (but also all other distros), now there is an integrative approach
[07:35] <insanekane> you could say a horizontal distro as opposed to vertical
[07:36] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but....this feeling of "being lost" comes from even tiny stuff
[07:36] <LuNaTiK^GuY> for example
[07:36] <LuNaTiK^GuY> if i want a text editor in windows...its called notepad.....very simple
[07:37] <LuNaTiK^GuY> if i want it in linux...there are many more
[07:37] <LuNaTiK^GuY> Kate, Vim etc etc
[07:37] <_sbcl3> does anyone know if kynaptic keeps an install log?
[07:37] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but....why should those names be used?
[07:37] <LuNaTiK^GuY> why not make it simple?
[07:38] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: hehe, that is something u will have to take up with Riddel :) he decides the basic configuration of the system
[07:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> a touch here and there....and it will all fare better
[07:38] <ilba7r> lunatik lol in window you have wordpad and notepad and if you did some work you will find that wordpad is much better but other wise having a variety is better do not you think so
[07:38] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lol its not about kubuntu alone...its about every distro....
[07:39] <LuNaTiK^GuY> variety....is good....but there is tooo much!!
[07:39] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: but essentially, I have made the same specific suggestion ti Riddell ... about Kate/Kedit/Kwrite ie
[07:39] <insanekane> ti = to
[07:39] <Riddell> hmm?
[07:40] <ilba7r> you can pick up what you are familiar with lunatik
[07:40] <LuNaTiK^GuY> hi Riddell :) lol
[07:40] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: the point I am trying to make is something different: if Kubuntu has to go anywhere, people like *you* need to be involved ... 
[07:40] <ilba7r> every one is a accostemed to a program having more variaty is much better 
[07:40] <Riddell> insanekane: you're trying to involve someone with a nickname LuNaTiK^GuY? :)
[07:41] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: and by "you" i dont mean people with specific qualities ... but *you* as an individual
[07:41] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i cant be that involved...i dont know how to build a distro etc....but i can give u suggestions...for newbies..by a newbie :)
[07:41] <LuNaTiK^GuY> having variety is better
[07:41] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but there are different ways to present variety
[07:42] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: no ... suggestions are good, but you need to go all the way ... and spending 2 hours a week learning how to improve kubuntu will *not* be an exercise in theory but can provide practical results ... why dont u try it ?
[07:42] <insanekane> Riddell: :)
[07:42] <ilba7r> anyone know why while running ubuntu i run up into a problem that the pc is running like crazy (though am not openning too many programs) and the notebook just reboots?
[07:42] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i am willing to keep on using kubuntu yes!
[07:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> for example...KDE and Gnome are totally 100% intuitive
[07:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> any windows user can get up and running with them
[07:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> even for the first time
[07:43] <LuNaTiK^GuY> so thats perfect
[07:43] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: now, I am not a kubuntu developer, not associated with kubuntu developers etc, so my views are nothing official :)
[07:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but why should a media player be named Amarok?
[07:44] <ilba7r> insane and lunatik lol your nick make me feel i am in mental house :)
[07:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> and not something like "Media Player"
[07:44] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: thats it ! you have understood a core concept :) ... KDE is perfect ... but not Kubuntu's implementation of an integrated, easily learnable desktop OS
[07:44] <ijuz_> what's a "Media Player"?
[07:44] <LuNaTiK^GuY> or "Linux Media Player"
[07:45] <Riddell> LuNaTiK^GuY: there is a description of every app in the k-menu
[07:45] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: that can be changed, and in my derivative of Kubuntu, I use descriptive names, than program name in the K Menu :)
[07:45] <LuNaTiK^GuY> yes Riddell i know....
[07:45] <LuNaTiK^GuY> it can be changed yes....buttt
[07:45] <Heart_> prefix for kde in kubuntu is? /usr?
[07:45] <LuNaTiK^GuY> whats the problem with making it more intuitive first time!
[07:46] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: but ?? you know how you could contribute this very minute ? get the source of kubuntu-default-settings ... and change the config files .. send patch to Riddel :)
[07:46] <LuNaTiK^GuY> loool
[07:46] <Riddell> Heart_: kde-config --prefix
[07:46] <Riddell> Heart_: it is /usr
[07:46] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: and config files are basically, name=value pairs .. something anyone can do
[07:46] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: and the whole process can be learned in under half an hour
[07:46] <ijuz_> LuNaTiK^GuY: because the developers wanted to name it Amarok, it's so simple
[07:46] <Heart_> Riddell: thx
[07:47] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but Amarok sounds like Venusian to a newbie....it makes him think that Linux in general is for experts....just coz of a dreaded name!! its all psychological!!
[07:48] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: as i said, you can change all that :) apt-get source kubuntu-default-settings
[07:48] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lol
[07:48] <LuNaTiK^GuY> ok i'll try
[07:48] <LuNaTiK^GuY> :)
[07:48] <Riddell> LuNaTiK^GuY: actually Amarok is an Inuktitut word
[07:48] <insanekane> hehe
[07:49] <Riddell> how do you think an Inuktitut feels when confronted with something called "media player"?
[07:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> downloading the file ;)
[07:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i got the file
[07:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> where do i find it?
[07:49] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: if more people take the initiative, maybe a Master like Riddell could give a half an hour IRC workshop on packaging ;)
[07:49] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lol
[07:49] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: cd kubuntu-default-settings-<versionnumber>
[07:50] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: even if that is not possible, there is a concise introduction to the area on the ubuntu wiki pages which is very useful
[07:50] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i cant get to the file ;)
[07:51] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: btw, if you didnt know, hitting tab in Konsole shows you completions like for the <versionnumber> above
[07:51] <Riddell> hello Seveas 
[07:51] <Riddell> oh well
[07:53] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: ok, im off to eat Tandoori Chicken and Mutter Paneer with Butter Nan along with some nice chutney's and a wierd salad
[07:53] <LuNaTiK^GuY> lol
[07:53] <LuNaTiK^GuY> enjoy :)
[07:53] <insanekane> LuNaTiK^GuY: if you need help, ask here or in #kubuntu-devel, or wait for me for abt an hour
[07:53] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'll be off soon
[07:53] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but ok :)
[07:53] <insanekane> k
[07:53] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i'll be back
[07:53] <insanekane> cya later then
[07:53] <LuNaTiK^GuY> 10ks a lot!
[07:53] <insanekane> ciao
[07:53] <insanekane> np
[07:54] <LuNaTiK^GuY> cirio
[07:55] <LuNaTiK^GuY> how do i go up one directory in console?
[07:56] <Soyburg> when I run apt-get update I get a md5 sum error on ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable and testing.  Is anyone else experiencing this?
[07:57] <Soyburg> LuNaTiK^GuY: "cd .."
[07:57] <LuNaTiK^GuY> 10q
[08:02] <LuNaTiK^GuY> which are the kde config files?
[08:02] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i've got the default settings
[08:02] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but which is the config file with the KDE titles?
[08:06] <Tm_T> LuNaTiK^GuY: for ehat configs?
[08:06] <Tm_T> s/ehat/what
[08:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> i got the kde-default-settings pack
[08:09] <LuNaTiK^GuY> now where can i edit the conf files with the KDE start menu labels?
[08:11] <Soyburg> right click on the K symbol and select the editor.
[08:12] <LuNaTiK^GuY> but i need to send the patch
[08:12] <LuNaTiK^GuY> its not for me ;)
[08:16] <markc> dpkg -L kde-default-settings, might reveal something useful
[08:16] <markc> I've modified my menus so I don't want to install that package, so I can't try it
[08:26] <seth_k> why is there no kubuntu install cd with 3.4.1? just a live CD?
[08:27] <seth_k> or has everything been updated and they just didn't change the numbering
[08:27] <seth_k> or will I have to upgrade to 3.4.1 after a kubuntu install
[08:34] <toran> where should I go to add a new network device?
[08:35] <liz4rd|zZz> in KDE?
[08:35] <randabis> toran, kcontrol
[08:36] <toran> hmm, I have a wireless card and a built-in wired network device. How do I know which is which?
[08:36] <randabis> wired cards are usually classified as eth#
[08:36] <randabis> wireless are usually wlan#
[08:36] <liz4rd> yeah
[08:37] <toran> well, I know for sure that eth0 is my wireless card ;-)
[08:37] <toran> I think I set it up that way
[08:37] <randabis> possible
[08:37] <randabis> I was just saying the defaults
[08:38] <randabis> in your case kcontrol's network settings should show eth0 and eth1
[08:38] <randabis> it should tell you which is which
[08:39] <toran> randabis: ok, I see eth1, but I click enable and it doesn't get enables
[08:39] <toran> *enabled
[08:39] <randabis> toran: you may need to assign it an ip address first
[08:39] <toran> I did
[08:39] <toran> hmm... I'll just edit /etc/network/interfaces
[08:39] <toran> any basic configs for a wired device?
[08:40] <randabis> usually something like 
[08:40] <randabis> eth# inet dhcp 
[08:40] <insanekane> randabis: where is "kcontrol's network settings" ? I cant find it in Control Centre
[08:40] <toran> except my network doesn't have dhcp ;-)
[08:41] <liz4rd> why not?
[08:41] <randabis> well you'd change that to static then
[08:41] <insanekane> toran: you can do man /etc/network/interfaces which gives u some samples for static network
[08:41] <toran> actually, I'm trying to connect to another computer using a crossover cable, anything special I'll need?
[08:42] <randabis> iface eth0 inet static
[08:42] <randabis> address #.#.#.#
[08:42] <randabis> netmask #.#.#.#
[08:42] <randabis> auto eth0
[08:42] <randabis> like that
[08:42] <randabis> should need anything special
[08:42] <randabis> shouldn't
[08:42] <randabis> sorry for flood
[08:48] <yourghetek> whats the command to find somebody in irc?
[08:48] <yourghetek> the last seen thing
[08:50] <seth_k> I don't think !seen works here
[08:50] <randabis> probably not
[08:50] <seth_k> !seen randabis
[08:50] <seth_k> nope :D
[08:51] <randabis> hehe
[08:51] <yourghetek> used it in ubuntu channel
[08:51] <yourghetek> thanks guys
[08:51] <randabis> there's a bot in #ubuntu that does it apparently
[08:52] <yourghetek> cant kubuntu have one too?
[08:52] <randabis> I asked it if it had seen the lochness monster
[08:52] <randabis> heh
[08:52] <Almindor> any idea when kubuntu get's KDE 3.4.1?
[08:53] <Almindor> there's an ugly bug fixed there :)
[08:53] <randabis> Almindor: already has it unofficially
[08:53] <randabis> read the topic
[08:53] <yourghetek> lets all go into the ubuntu channel and look for mystical creatures (!seen)
[08:53] <randabis> goody
[08:54] <yourghetek> randabis. want to?
[08:54] <randabis> the novelty wore off already
[08:54] <yourghetek> hehe
[08:55] <insanekane> Anyone from India in here ?
[08:58] <insanekane> apparently not
 root <~Kevin@CPE0006255ab096-CM400049887786.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 6d 21h 55m 9s ago, saying: 'am I hacked?'
[09:00] <randabis> lol
[09:01] <insanekane> LOL
[09:01] <insanekane> randabis: i can't stop laughing :)
[09:02] <randabis> yeah
[09:02] <_sbcl3> what does the kubuntu base system [server installation]  install?
[09:02] <insanekane> _sbcl3: stuff needed for a server ? (perhaps no X) ?
[09:02] <randabis> _sbcl3: I believe just the base system that would be universal to any ubuntu install
[09:03] <insanekane> debian base system ? or kubuntu server installation ?
[09:03] <randabis> it would be debian base
[09:03] <randabis> I've done one before
[09:03] <randabis> meaning typing "server" at the boot screen of the install disk
[09:04] <insanekane> i dont think _sbcl3 means that ... i think he talks regarding the comment when the boot screen shows with the install cd
[09:04] <randabis> yeah I know, that's what I just said
[09:04] <insanekane> yeah .. but server install is more than debian base
[09:04] <insanekane> iirc, debian base is what is initially installed on the disk, which installs the rest, be it kubuntu desktop or kubuntu server ...
[09:05] <randabis> not the install that occurs when you type "server"
[09:05] <gideon> Hi, I have more of a common linux question. I've installed Kubuntu on my Toshiba Laptop ( Satellite Pro 4300, not that new :( ) and I'm having trouble setting up my 56K modem. I allready discoverd, linmodems are not really supported, so I've added a Xircom ethernet/56k PCMCIA combi to solve my problem
[09:05] <randabis> typing "server" at the boot screen installs only the base system, nothing else
[09:05] <gideon> But I don't know where to start to get it working :S (never dealed with dialup software before in linux)
[09:06] <randabis> try the program kppp
[09:06] <_zarathustra> hi
[09:06] <randabis> I haven't used a modem in years so I can't help you
[09:06] <insanekane> randabis: but that would be counterproductive ... it wouldn't install enough for a usable system
[09:06] <randabis> insanekane: it's not meant to
[09:06] <insanekane> gideon: use KPPP and check for ur modem
[09:06] <_zarathustra> i've two little problems after compiling my own kernel
[09:07] <gideon> got it running, HUGE list of posible modem devices :x
[09:07] <randabis> insanekane: it's meant to give you a base system where you can choose to add things individually to it
[09:07] <insanekane> randabis: debian base and kubuntu server is different in the sense that kubuntu server is a superset of debian base (or the ubuntu version thereof)
[09:07] <_zarathustra> my etherenet interface doesn't start with the system, i have to activate it manually by "ifup eth0"
[09:07] <randabis> insanekane: server does ubuntu-base iirc
[09:07] <insanekane> gideon: the way i think is, to select each one by one (starting with say /dev/modem) and then use the "Query modem" to see if the modem really works
[09:08] <insanekane> randabis: ok
[09:08] <randabis> I just know that doing server at the boot screen only installs the base system and nothing else
[09:09] <randabis> you can then add everything you want piece by piece
[09:09] <insanekane> right
[09:09] <yourghetek> can i mount my samba (microsoft) workgroup to a folder called 'workgroup' my media folder
[09:09] <insanekane> randabis: so, with kubuntu server, after doing the initial CD copying thing, it doesnt restart and install the rest of the packages ?
[09:10] <insanekane> yourghetek: it will probably show up in Remote Places rather than in media:/
[09:10] <randabis> insanekane: nope. I think it "may" restart, but nothing else is installed. Been a little while since I've done it
[09:10] <insanekane> ok
[09:10] <yourghetek> insanekaneL i cant burn a cd from files on remote shares using k3b like that
[09:10] <insanekane> yourghetek: yes you cant :)
[09:10] <yourghetek> my remote folder isnt there
[09:11] <yourghetek> and it wont let me put in the path to my windows machine
[09:11] <insanekane> yes, afaik, you cant do that from a file in media:/ url either
[09:11] <randabis> yourghetek: you can mount samba shares in /media I believe. Can't say for sure since I only use nfs
[09:11] <yourghetek> yeah
[09:11] <yourghetek> whats the command for that?
[09:11] <insanekane> randabis: he means the Media ioslave than /media
[09:11] <yourghetek> i alrady made the dir
[09:12] <randabis> I don't know...it could be different than the way to do it with nfs
[09:13] <randabis> suggest checking man mount
[09:13] <insanekane> so doing smb://path/to/your/file in k3b doesnt allow you to write to cd ? why dont u copy from that location to ur home folder ?
[09:13] <randabis> lol@man mount
[09:13] <insanekane> :)
[09:13] <yourghetek> insane kane.. i kinda wanted to do it the cool way...
[09:14] <insanekane> the "cool" way ? ;)
[09:14] <randabis> I think I know how to do it
[09:14] <randabis> mount ip:/folder smbfs /media/blah
[09:14] <yourghetek> ah!
[09:15] <yourghetek> good idea
[09:15] <randabis> or something similar
[09:15] <yourghetek> and then just make the router assign that ip forever to the windows machines mac
[09:15] <randabis> could be
[09:15] <yourghetek> thanks
[09:15] <yourghetek> will try and post to forums if it works
[09:16] <yourghetek> and of course will give you props
[09:16] <yourghetek> !seen a simpler, more childish interface than gnome
[09:17] <randabis> np
[09:17] <randabis> lol
[09:28] <gideon> finished testing all possible devices. Googled around for about an hour. Seems that hotplug misleads the modprobe. cardinfo and cardmgr both don't detect a card, though my network connection works. But the 56k modem doesn't work
[09:29] <bobbyd> gideon: you can pass options to an automatically loaded module
[09:30] <gideon> do you mean, do I know how to do that? (in that case, yes)
[09:30] <gideon> but I don't know, what I should pass
[09:30] <gideon> or declare in /etc/modules
[09:30] <bobbyd> ahh
[09:32] <gideon> cardctl ident says there arent any pcmcia cards available, while I'm connected to the internet through the card :(
[09:32] <bobbyd> I have a digital camera that works with digikam in gentoo, but under ubuntu it neither works with the camera io slave or digikam
[09:33] <bobbyd> I suspect the camera ioslave is somehow grabbing the device so digikam can't use it
[09:33] <gideon> USB? so in nautilus you don't see anything within 30 seconds in; media:///
[09:33] <bobbyd> nautilus? you mean conqueror?
[09:33] <bobbyd> s/c/k
[09:34] <gideon> sorry :x my baddy (you said ubuntu :D)
[09:34] <bobbyd> doh
[09:34] <bobbyd> the camera icon pops up, but the window is empty
[09:34] <bobbyd> do I just wait? it doesn't look like anythig is happening
[09:35] <Heart> azureus isn't in a repos. :(?
[09:35] <gideon> could do "lsusb" in konsole to look if anything happened
[09:35] <bobbyd> yeah it's a kodak USB camera
[09:35] <insanekane> Heart: try bittorrent-bittornado
[09:35] <gideon> still should be visible withing a few seconds under media:/
[09:35] <Heart> insanekane: is this console-only or with a gui?
[09:36] <insanekane> Heart: it has *a* gui ...
[09:36] <insanekane> Heart: and usually, when u download a torrent in konqeror, it will be opened in bittornado
[09:36] <bobbyd> gideon: it shows with lsusb and the camera icon shows in media:///
[09:37] <bobbyd> gideon: but there are no pictures there :(
[09:37] <insanekane> Heart: but, it probably isnt the kind of gui which u probably expect as in azereus
[09:37] <gideon> so, the whole cam is plugged into the system, you've got a SD card and the camera's internal memory. That means you should see 2 devices
[09:37] <gideon> try 
[09:38] <gideon> "mount" and see if they come up
[09:38] <gideon> if you don't see anything, try "fdisk -l", you should see a few "sdX#" devices (like "sda1" or "sdb1")
[09:39] <gideon> if no luck yet, unplug the cam, modprobe usb-storage, replug the cam, and retry the whole list
[09:39] <bobbyd> gideon: as I said, it works under digikam under gentoo. I'm happy with that, so I suppose I just want to stop KDE fiddling with it :)
[09:40] <bobbyd> I don't thik it's a problem with support, I think I just need to let digikam see it again
[09:41] <GnuKemist> Hi...  I just installed Kubuntu on my thinkpad X40 and I noticed Konqueror to be painfully slow...  I haven't used KDE before, so...  is Konqueror really slow or is there something else?
[09:41] <insanekane> hmm ... actually, kde 3.4 is faster for me than older versions
[09:42] <insanekane> anyway ... ciao all .. enjoy kubuntu !!
[09:42] <GnuKemist> hummm
[09:42] <bobbyd> GnuKemist: what have you used in the past?
[09:42] <GnuKemist> it is so weird...  and I really want to try out KDE
[09:42] <bobbyd> what behaviour are you seeing?
[09:43] <GnuKemist> bobbyd... mostly Gnome or OpenBox with Firefox
[09:43] <GnuKemist> bobbyd it is painfully slow
[09:43] <bobbyd> konqueror shouldn't be any slower than nautilus(sp?)
[09:43] <gideon> you mean like, leave it alone?
[09:43] <bobbyd> GnuKemist: what do you actually mean by that
[09:43] <bobbyd> gideon: yes
[09:44] <bobbyd> gideon: do I need to fiddle with udev to make that happen?
[09:44] <GnuKemist> I mean, the pages load extremelly slow
[09:44] <bobbyd> GnuKemist: you mean web pages? you're not being very descriptive :)
[09:44] <gideon> :S ... never had that issue before. Don't know how you could turn that down
[09:45] <GnuKemist> bobbyd...  sorry... I forget you can use Koqueror for more than browsing the web
[09:45] <GnuKemist> bobbyd... yes, I meant web pages
[09:46] <bobbyd> GnuKemist: have you tried another browser? maybe you have a dns resolution problem
[09:46] <bobbyd> GnuKemist: what exactly happens? do you see very high cpu usage?
[09:46] <GnuKemist> possible
[09:46] <GnuKemist> but it should be ok...
[09:46] <bobbyd> does it just sit there for a while then load all at once
[09:46] <GnuKemist> I'm using it at home
[09:46] <GnuKemist> bobbyd... something like that
[09:47] <bobbyd> describe what happens when you load a page. if you don't do that clearly, I can't really help
[09:47] <GnuKemist> it is true that kwifi(something) doesn't seem to recognize my AP and I often have to iwconfig it
[09:48] <bobbyd> and also, run top in a konsole and change the delay to something like 0.1 and see if the cpu usage is very high when you load a page
[09:48] <GnuKemist> bobbyd... don't have the laptop on me atm... but I guess you described it really well when you said that it takes a while and then loads it in one slow move
[09:48] <bobbyd> if it's not, then something else is delaying the loading of pages
[09:48] <bobbyd> GnuKemist: that sounds like a network problem
[09:48] <GnuKemist> will have to check then...  when I get home...
[09:48] <bobbyd> I would do the above, and also try something like 'links' to see if you get the same problem
[09:49] <GnuKemist> that is a good idea...
[09:49] <bobbyd> you could also try pinging some sites and see how long they take to resolve
[09:49] <GnuKemist> like I said, I installed it last night and haven't really spent too much time with it
[09:50] <bobbyd> ok, no problem, if you get more info, come back :)
[09:50] <GnuKemist> I had Ubuntu running before but I knew where/how to do things
[09:50] <GnuKemist> will do
[09:50] <GnuKemist> thanx a million
[09:50] <bobbyd> no problemo
[09:50] <GnuKemist> hehe
[09:50] <GnuKemist> later
[09:58] <foodcoman> Where is all the wallpaper at in KDE/Kubuntu?
[09:58] <foodcoman> If you snag new ones, do you put them with those, or just point to ones in your home dir?
[09:59] <philipacamaniac> put them in your home directory
[09:59] <philipacamaniac> probably best in ~/.kde/share/wallpapers, or just wherever you put pictures
[10:00] <foodcoman> Thanks philip!  Makes sense because most would probably back their home dir and not the whole distro.
[10:01] <philipacamaniac> yes, and upgrades might write over the /usr/share/wallpaper directory
[10:01] <foodcoman> Great advise.  Thanks.
[10:01] <philipacamaniac> no prob
[10:03] <foodcoman> Read an article on the Dual Core Athlon's.  Pretty hot stuff!
[10:03] <foodcoman> Wish I could afford to build a new machine!
[10:07] <nmorse> It would be great to build a new machine with Athlon64's
[10:08] <nmorse> Too bad I'm broke, and I'll be attending college in a couple of months, so no job for me
[10:12] <foodcoman> Does Linux work well with new SLI video cards also?
[10:12] <foodcoman> That would be a smokin combo.
[10:14] <ijuz_> you need at least the binary only drivers from nvidia, they are either suporting it or will support soon
[10:14] <bobbyd> foodcoman: Nvidia cards should work
[10:14] <bobbyd> foodcoman: check the nvidia driver page
[10:14] <foodcoman> bobbyd: I have an older one.
[10:15] <bobbyd> hmmmmm
[10:15] <bobbyd> digikam works when I'm root
[10:15] <foodcoman> bobbyd: It works.  I am curious how close to Bleading edge they are?
[10:15] <ijuz_> but anyway, the only good use would be to connect more than 2 displays
[10:15] <bobbyd> I read something on a debian forum about being in the camera group, but there doesn't seem to be a camera group in kubuntu
[10:16] <bobbyd> foodcoman: the linux and win drivers are supposed to be the same for nvidia
[10:16] <foodcoman> ijuz_: hahahah, I can barely handle one.
[10:16] <bobbyd> foodcoman: so they should contain allthe same features
[10:16] <bobbyd> foodcoman: The linux drivers sometimes have OGL support that isn't even in the win32 ones
[10:16] <ijuz_> foodcoman: actually i thought about this, displays are so cheap this days, but i have stuff over my desk, so i can't have a 2*2 setup
[10:17] <bobbyd> foodcoman: but I haven't had a lot of time to check them out lately as I've been working under windows at work
[10:17] <airox> Anybody who knows a way to get Kcontact (or a applet) to get into the taskbar and notify me about new emails ?
[10:17] <foodcoman> ijuz_: buy a leaf blower and clean the desk for a second display!
[10:17] <foodcoman> =)
[10:17] <bobbyd> ijuz_: we all have dual monitor setups at work, it's really cool :)
[10:17] <foodcoman> bobbyd: Same here, but run a gratuitous Kubuntu box at work.  Mainly Kubuntu for home.
[10:17] <ijuz_> i have dual monitor, but more would be nice
[10:18] <Heart> when i try to install amule aptitude wants to delete several packages... (kubuntu-desktop, konversation, kdenetwork and so on) :(
[10:18] <bobbyd> foodcoman: I have no linux desktop at work at the moment
[10:19] <foodcoman> bobbyd: =( SSH and tunnel VNC session to home.
[10:19] <bobbyd> foodcoman: we have linux servers, and I've just snagged a linux machine for some tasks