[12:03] <mdz> jbailey: how soon do you think you can land the hardware detection?
[12:07] <jbailey> mdz: I'll have a better answer for you after tomorrow, but I'd really like it to be the end of the week.
[12:09] <jdub> oh dudes
[12:09] <jdub> stunning interview with ubuntu contributor, seb128
[12:09] <jdub> http://oskuro.net/blog/freesoftware/interview-seb128-2005-06-14-17-21
[12:09] <elmo> that's clearly not seb
[12:10] <elmo> he didn't say "iz gtk bug" even once
[12:10] <jordi> lol
[12:12] <jordi> yuck, seems like my poor little box is planetgnome'ed
[12:14] <jordi> it will... at some point
[12:14] <jordi> or go to planet.gnome :)
[12:15] <Burgundavia> jdub, can you comment on --> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41530
[12:16] <Nafallo> ahh. it's there :-).
[12:16] <elmo> ogra: ?
[12:17] <maswan> jordi: want to make a quick fix? get a static dump of it and redirect the accesses there?
[12:17] <elmo> ogra: tablix should b-d on libpvm3-dev (or whatever it's called) not libpvm3
[12:17] <ogra> elmo, there is no -dev
[12:18] <ogra> (at least here on amd64.... )
[12:19] <Nafallo> forget "--" and you build against the wrong release *sigh*
[12:19] <elmo> ogra: pvm-dev ?
[12:19] <ogra> ARGH ... why the heck do they call it pvm-dev and not libpvm-dev
[12:19] <ogra> elmo, just saw it *sigh*
[12:30] <jordi> maswan: yeah, I probably should for a few days
[12:46] <maswan> jordi: and if you run out of bandwidth, just redirect it to a server with enough. :)
[12:49] <elmo> maswan - professional bandwidth pimp
[12:49] <Nafallo> lol
[12:49] <Mithrandir> you mean you don't irc from a box with a gbit pipe?
[12:51] <maswan> elmo: We did peak at about 2Gbit/s for the sarge release. :)
[12:51] <elmo> maswan: nice
[12:52] <maswan> Hope we get to beat that for breezy. :)
[12:53] <maswan> s/for/with/
[12:57] <Nafallo> hehehe
[01:03] <Burgundavia> seb128, is there a reason why gnome-network was not built for hoary or breezy?
[01:04] <seb128> what is this stuff?
[01:04] <Burgundavia> it was a shell for ssh and telnet
[01:04] <seb128> gnome-nettool no?
[01:04] <Burgundavia> nope
[01:04] <seb128> apt-cache show gnome-nettool
[01:04] <seb128> are you sure?
[01:05] <Burgundavia> yep
[01:05] <seb128> it points to http://www.gnome.org/projects/gnome-network/
[01:05] <seb128> and Replaces it
[01:06] <Burgundavia> maybe the shell stuff was dropped by Gnome
[01:06] <seb128> maybe you want tsclient?
[01:06] <Burgundavia> nope
[01:07] <Burgundavia> this is what doesn't appear anywhere else:
[01:07] <Burgundavia> gnome-remote-shell: a remote shell (Telnet/SSH) client.
[01:30] <tseng> infinity: can you kick dbus off again?
[01:31] <tseng> infinity: gtk-sharp is in main now, was the last failure
[01:31] <fatshame> (complete IRC newb) ... Is anyone here familiar with the Ubuntu installer internals?
[01:32] <tseng> fatshame: yes but you probably want to read around on the wiki before asking questions
[01:32] <tseng> if you havent already, of course
[01:33] <fatshame> I've tried, but unf. wasn't able to find what I was looking for
[01:33] <fatshame> do you have a min?
[01:34] <fatshame> question should be pretty quick
[01:34] <tseng> you want Kamion or maybe mdz 
[01:35] <fatshame> thanks tseng
[01:36] <tseng> the general irc etiquitte is to just come right out with your question and hope someone answers
[01:36] <tseng> if not, try again at a sufficently later time.
[01:36] <fatshame> oh, sorry trying not to be obnoxious
[01:39] <mdke> fatshame, fire away, someone might know
[01:40] <fatshame> I am trying to create a script which will resize an NTFS partition to a specified size.  Using NTFS and sfdisk creates the necessary adjustments but renders the XP partition unbootable.  Where can I find out what steps the Hoary installer takes during it's NTFS resize?
[01:44] <mdz> fatshame: it uses ntfsresize
[01:44] <mdz> from ntfsprogs
[01:46] <fatshame> yea, I'm using that too.  Steps are to resize w/ ntfsresize and rebuild new partition table with partitioning software.  I'm specifying something incorrectly in the second step and trying to figure out what.
[01:47] <fatshame> I'm feeding something wrong to sfdisk
[01:49] <fatshame> mdz: does this make sense?
[01:50] <mdz> fatshame: so your problem is with resizing the partition, not NTFS
[01:50] <fatshame> mdz: I think so
[01:51] <mdz> well, you can easily test that by skipping the second step
[01:53] <fatshame> mdz: I think I've already verified that it's the second step that is wrong, it's a matter of figuring out how to carry out the second step correctly...
[01:56] <fatshame> mdz: Other projects (parteds, Hoary installer, Suse installer) are all able to resize ntfs partitions to a specified size using ntfsresize, so I should be able to do it too.  It's just a matter of figuring out what mistake I'm making in step two.
[01:56] <mdz> fatshame: the ubuntu installer uses parted
[01:56] <mdz> so you won't be able to look at it to see how to use sfdisk
[01:56] <tseng> mdz: re the pnet depend, is that from the mono-mcs source package, or mono-mcs from the mono source package?
[01:57] <mdz> tseng: if it's a depend, that's the binary package name; if it's a build-dep, it's the source package name
[01:57] <fatshame> mdz: right, but I might be able to switch to parted, or figure out how to do the correct sizes...
[01:57] <tseng> hm I see it now
[01:57] <tseng> mdz: its a virtual
[01:58] <tseng>   Depends: <cli-virtual-machine>
[01:58] <tseng>     mono-jit
[01:58] <tseng>     pnet-interpreter
[01:58] <tseng> do we need to pull in both?
[01:58] <tseng> pnet is not supportable
[01:58] <mdz> no, just one
[01:58] <tseng> well then we are covered there.
[01:58] <tseng> and that will drop treecc off the list also.
[01:59] <tseng> wonderful, ill chip away at the rest. thanks mdz
[01:59] <mdz> we do need to figure out why germinate chose that one; it doesn't make much sense
[01:59] <mdz> are mono-mcs and mono-jit built by the same source package?
[01:59] <tseng> yes.
[02:02] <mdz> if we need to, we can add a hint to the seeds to work that out
[02:02] <tseng> great.
[02:02] <tseng> i wonder if we can get around xsp-in-main
[02:02] <tseng> would have to drop monodoc-http or mutilate the source into two ala old dbus-mono
[02:08] <mdz> tseng: is xsp bad news?
[02:09] <mdz> tseng: it looks like monodoc-http could work with mono-apache-server instead; should we switch it to that?
[02:17] <mdz> jamesh: ping?
[02:29] <mdz> jbailey: I think next week is when it (EU hardware detection) needs to be if it's going to happen; please make that your priority
[02:29] <jdub> Burgundavia: comment on the bug, post a reference to the nautilus mailing list
[02:29] <tseng> good morning jdub 
[02:30] <jdub> Burgundavia: perhaps talk to the gnome bug dudes about it
[02:30] <Burgundavia> jdub, ok, can do
[02:31] <tseng> Burgundavia is a big filing machine
[02:49] <AndyFitz> you ?
[03:19] <Speedy2> Can someone send me the binary for "lspci" ? I am trying to debug an issue with the Ubuntu install CD and the console during the install does not have lspci
[03:20] <Speedy2> Don't rush to help now.
[03:21] <Burgundavia> Speedy2, be patient, don't be rude, and this is wrong channel for getting help
[03:21] <Speedy2> Burgundavia:  I'm doing this so I can feed a bug report back to Ubuntu developers.
[03:22] <Burgundavia> #ubuntu is for help
[03:22] <Burgundavia> this is for the fix to that bug
[03:28] <fatshame> mdz: still there?
[03:49] <tseng> infinity: nevermind, it kicked itsel
[03:49] <tseng> f
[04:08] <mdke> mako, i think the shipit faq has been rolled back too, i could have sworn it was more up to date than that
[04:09] <jsgotangco> mdke, what happened
[04:10] <mdke> nothing I just thought that I remember reading more up to date information about shipit for hoary
[04:10] <mdke> at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/shipit/
[04:10] <mdke> morning jsgotangco btw
[04:12] <jsgotangco> morning
[04:12] <jsgotangco> hows it going
[04:14] <mdke> fine thanks
[04:23] <jbailey> mdz: Okay.
[05:09] <wasabi> Hmm. Not in the main keyring yet.
[05:09] <wasabi> Hum de dum.
[05:09] <jbailey> wasabi: elmo's quite swamped.
[05:09] <jbailey> Need something uploaded?
[05:10] <wasabi> Naw It can wait.
[05:10] <jbailey> a'ight
[05:11] <daniels> so, if you all upgrade libxcursor1 to the latest, I think you'll find Firefox will leak a whole lot less
[05:12] <mako> mdke: dude.. it was rolled back
[05:12] <mako> mdke: i know.. it bummed me out a lot
[05:12] <jsgotangco> heh
[05:12] <mako> there at least a couple of hours of work missing
[05:12] <jsgotangco> mako, long time no see
[05:12] <jbailey> daniels: Ooo.  Is that likely to apply to epiphany as well? =)
[05:13] <mako> jsgotangco: a few days maybe.. i kept my head low over the weekend.. had like 5 people staying with me from out of town for the debian release party
[05:13] <jsgotangco> mako, join the docteam meeting on the 16th 22:00 UTC if you're available
[05:14] <daniels> jbailey: anything that uses xcursor
[05:15] <daniels> jbailey: basically, we leaked the set of xrender images for the animated cursor every time we set one
[05:15] <mako> jsgotangco: send me a reminder
[05:15] <mako> jsgotangco: i should be around though
[05:15] <jsgotangco> mako, k will do
[05:15] <daniels> jbailey: in a long-lived process like a web browser that makes extensive use of the animated busy cursor ...
[05:15] <mako> jsgotangco: if i'm not on irc, email or sms my mobile
[05:15] <jsgotangco> ok i'll just get your mobile on your page
[05:15] <jbailey> daniels: Oh ouch.
[05:16] <mako> i've been going to sit in the park next to my house around evenings these days.. there is wireless but sometimes i unplug.. makes me productive :)
[06:24] <davyd> how broken is X today?
[06:24] <davyd> ie, did I pick a very bad day to switch to breezy?
[06:26] <seth_k> davyd, I'm running upgraded X and breezy. no issues
[06:26] <seth_k> davyd, you'll want to check the breezy forum if you just upgraded. probably some goodies there for you
[06:27] <davyd> will do in a minute, there seems to be new X packages to download
[06:27] <davyd> so I'm getting those now
[06:27] <seth_k> good good
[06:27] <seth_k> are you having issues?
[06:27] <davyd> yeah, it looks like X is trying to start, ie. flash flash flash flash (Screen on, screen off)
[06:28] <davyd> and then it stops and things lock up
[06:28] <davyd> although I still have system-requests
[06:28] <davyd> so it didn't take out my interrupt handlers
[06:28] <davyd> I figured I would check for new X before I started digging too deep
[06:29] <seth_k> odd, haven't seen that one yet. The flavor of the day was libxcursor iirc, or maybe that was yesterday
[06:35] <daniels> seth_k: yeah, xcursor was yesterday's fun
[06:35] <daniels> davyd: if you've just upgraded and you have a custom config, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change your /usr/lib/X11/fonts fontpaths to /usr/share/X11/fonts
[06:35] <daniels> (or maybe they're /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts, who knows
[06:36] <seth_k> somebody did a whopping good job on libxcursor... I upgraded, rebooted, no X, sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade and I was back in business
[06:36] <davyd> daniels: aah, I might have custom lines in my config, can I just regenerate the default Ubuntu config?
[06:36] <seth_k> davyd, sure, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:36] <daniels> davyd: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[06:36] <daniels> seth_k: um yeah, that was me
[06:37] <wasabi> eclipse 3.1... so.... close....
[06:37] <davyd> oh right
[06:39] <seth_k> wasabi, any more releases after rc2? or is final next
[06:39] <wasabi> Dunno. It's close if nothing else.
[06:39] <wasabi> What I mean is that I'm almost done packaging RC2.
[06:41] <fabbione> morning
[06:43] <seth_k> wasabi, for breezy, or for yourself?
[06:43] <wasabi> breezy.
[06:43] <wasabi> You may notice 3.0 is in breezy RIght Now.
[06:43] <seth_k> yay
[06:43] <wasabi> Multiverse though.
[06:43] <seth_k> yes
[06:44] <seth_k> i saw free java stuff got brought in?
[06:44] <Amaranth> i thought it didn't work
[06:44] <seth_k> so we can put 3.1 in universe?
[06:44] <wasabi> Well, technicall 3.0 is good for universe right now, but I don't want to move it.
[06:44] <Amaranth> hey, fedora core 4 has eclipse built as a native binary using gcj, you should grab their patches :)
[06:44] <wasabi> Since 3.1 will be done soon.
[06:45] <seth_k> gotcha
[06:45] <wasabi> Amaranth, no need.
[06:46] <davyd> warning interface eth0 at line 2 is not safely mappable
[06:46] <davyd> generated by hotplug
[06:46] <seth_k> error's been there forever. no clue what causes it, but harmless
[06:46] <davyd> although, working X
[06:46] <davyd> seth_k: goodo, I'll ignore it then
[06:49] <davyd> hmm, Fixed has gone missing from the fonts list :(
[06:52] <seth_k> heh, i remember that error
[06:52] <seth_k> you have X though?
[06:53] <davyd> yep, X is alive
[06:57] <davyd> daniels: you've been bang on the money so far, any idea why Fixed is a no go?
[07:09] <seth_k> Riddell, you around?
[07:15] <seth_k> hmm, suppose not. I apt-got kubuntu-desktop metapackage today on a fresh Breezy, sources updated, and it didn't pull in kdebase or kde-core. I had to install those separately before I had a working KDE install
[07:29] <daniels> davyd: try apt-get install --reinstall xfonts-base
[07:30] <davyd> daniels: seems not, could it be fontconfig?
[07:31] <davyd> I also have a copy of the font in my ~/.fonts directory
[07:33] <daniels> nope, the server doesn't use fontconfig
[07:34] <daniels> your font path is definitely /usr/share/X11/fonts/fo?
[07:34] <daniels> s/fo/foo/
[07:34] <davyd> yep, X starts now, I have most fonts
[07:34] <daniels> word
[07:34] <davyd> except Fixed is never listed in my gtk2 apps
[07:34] <davyd> though it used to
[07:34] <daniels> that'd be a fontconfig thing
[07:34] <daniels> you'd need to change its paths also
[07:35] <wm_eddie_> autopackage needs to die ><
[07:36] <wm_eddie_> Does anyone know how to remove the debian menu entry that autopackage put in my Applications menu?
[07:41] <davyd> still not...
[07:41] <davyd> hmm
[07:42] <Amaranth> pfft, who needs the Fixed font anyway? :)
[07:42] <davyd> it's a nice terminal font
[07:45] <davyd> I see fontconfig has configuration to turn off non-scalable fonts
[07:46] <davyd> now to work out how to enable Fixed anyway
[07:48] <daniels> jdub: http://gsynaptics.sourceforge.jp/
[07:48] <wm_eddie_> I saw that today (gsynaptics) That's awesome.
[07:53] <davyd> zing
[07:54] <davyd> http://oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au/~davyd/misc/20-davyd-enable-fixed.conf
[07:55] <davyd> not quite
[07:59] <davyd> ok, it works if you have the fonts in your .fonts
[08:00] <davyd> I'm sure I could fix that too
[08:06] <davyd> daniels: you want to fix dbus-mono, your Depends line refers to dbus-glib-1-dev
[08:06] <davyd> that should be libdbus-glib-1-dev
[08:06] <davyd> I am pretty sure that was your package
[08:10] <daniels> davyd: thanks, will do
[08:10] <daniels> oh, wait
[08:10] <daniels> no, not dbus-mono
[08:10] <daniels> that's deprecated and disappearing as soon as libgtk-cil hits main
[08:10] <davyd> oh ok
[08:10] <davyd> that explains why it's still broken for me
[08:10] <daniels> yeah
[08:10] <fabbione> daniels: speaking of which.. would it be possible to make dbus not build-dep on mono stuff for sparc?
[08:11] <daniels> fabbione: sure'
[08:11] <fabbione> i think ia64 and hppa would need the same kind of love
[08:11] <daniels> fabbione: but its b-ds are broken everywhere at the moment, so don't worry, it's not just you :)
[08:11] <fabbione> daniels: given mono is not portable :(
[08:11] <daniels> yeah
[08:11] <fabbione> daniels: yes i saw that :)
[08:11] <fabbione> daniels: i tend to check pretty carefully all FTBFS
[08:12] <davyd> I thought Mono worked on Sparc nowadays
[08:12] <davyd> or is it that it works on Solaris x86?
[08:12] <fabbione> davyd: on sparc/solairs.. that's what i was told
[08:12] <fabbione> not sparc/linux
[08:13] <davyd> fabbione: but not on sparc/linux?
[08:13] <davyd> nutty
[08:13] <davyd> you would have thought that once you have to code to do evil things like passing parameters up and down the stack, the rest would be easy
[08:13] <daniels> At this point, only the Solaris operating system is supported.
[08:13] <daniels> Adding support for Linux/SPARC or UltraLinux requires somebody with the neccessary technical skills, motivation, and access to hardware to do the port. This effort boils down to adding support for the differences between Solaris and Linux and their ABI. 
[08:13] <davyd> I guess no one who cares is running Linux on a Sparc
[08:14] <davyd> I wish I had the time to sit down and learn about that sort of stuff
[08:14] <fabbione> davyd: usually who run sparc/linux is not for workstation
[08:14] <davyd> I'm sure I could be good at it
[08:14] <davyd> instead, all my engineering skills go to waste
[08:14] <fabbione> but for servers
[08:15] <fabbione> hey pitti
[08:16] <davyd> fabbione: yeah
[08:16] <davyd> are you dudes going to officially support sparc?
[08:16] <pitti> Morning
[08:17] <jsgotangco> i think fabbione has sparc builds but they're unofficial
[08:18] <jsgotangco> ooppss sorry i didn't read the latter posts
[08:18] <davyd> supporting sparc would be an interesting move
[08:18] <davyd> we have one sparc workstation in the UCC, but it's a whore
[08:18] <fabbione> davyd: i am building sparc64 yes
[08:18] <fabbione> but it's not official
[08:18] <davyd> it's currently (trying to) run Solaris 10
[08:18] <fabbione> and probably won't be for a while
[08:19] <fabbione> i am somehow stalling in a little loop
[08:19] <fabbione> because i don't have enough cpu power to keep up with all the new packages
[08:19] <fabbione> so basically it's never (or almost) installable
[08:19] <fabbione> that means not being able to build a community around it to help me supporting it :)
[08:20] <fabbione> so i don't get CPU power to keep up
[08:20] <davyd> yeah, there can't be a big sparc desktop community around at all
[08:20] <davyd> I wonder what EE is doing with it's sparcstations
[08:20] <davyd> those are relatively grunty
[08:20] <davyd> they wouldn't give me an account on them to jhbuild with though
[08:21] <davyd> because they guy who's job it is to do Solaris adminning is a bit of a control freak
[08:25] <maswan> fabbione: what kind of cpu power do you have, and what would you need?
[08:30] <fabbione> maswan: i have a netra t1 466Mhz
[08:30] <fabbione> maswan: i think another buildd would do
[08:30] <fabbione> doesn't need to be an E10K :)
[08:31] <maswan> fabbione: ok, I'll see what I can do
[08:31] <fabbione> maswan: basically i need something that can build universe so that i can dedicate my machine to main
[08:31] <fabbione> maswan: but i am not in a hurry to build universe in itself
[08:32] <fabbione> maswan: that would be awesome
[08:32] <maswan> fabbione: we were thinking of putting this machine into d-d general use, but that is pending an exception to the general "only staff and students on the network"-rule
[08:33] <fabbione> maswan: oh i see
[08:33] <maswan> fabbione: given that this has been pending for quite some time now, ...
[08:33] <davyd> we have an E4k running Debian now
[08:34] <fabbione> maswan: yes i understand the uni-rules
[08:34] <maswan> this would be an E250 with 2x400MHz and 512 megs of ram.
[08:34] <fabbione> neat
[08:34] <davyd> I'm not sure what's in this thing
[08:34] <davyd> or we have an E6k, but that's running Solaris 9
[08:34] <maswan> fabbione: now, one buildd admin like you, we can sneak in. but not open up for a large ammount of developers.
[08:36] <maswan> fabbione: so, is it installable, or would a chroot install from a sarge host system be more likely to be usable?
[08:36] <fabbione> maswan: i don't want to be a problem. if it is allowed good, otherwise please do not worry :)
[08:36] <davyd> State:
[08:36] <davyd> CPU0:           online
[08:36] <davyd> CPU4:           online
[08:36] <davyd> CPU5:           online
[08:36] <davyd> CPU6:           online
[08:36] <davyd> CPU7:           online
[08:36] <davyd> Cpu0Bogo        : 332.80
[08:36] <fabbione> maswan: the machine can run whatever you want.. 
[08:36] <maswan> fabbione: it's fine
[08:36] <fabbione> davyd: please stop flooding
[08:36] <davyd> Linux manduba 2.6.8-2-sparc64-smp
[08:37] <davyd> fabbione: would that do?
[08:37] <fabbione> maswan: i only need a sparcbuildd account and a breezy chroot (that i can scp from here)
[08:37] <davyd> apologies about the first 5 lines, they weren't meant to be pasted
[08:37] <maswan> fabbione: any kernel requirements?
[08:37] <fabbione> davyd: that's a nice toy :)
[08:38] <davyd> fabbione: we have a Solaris 9 machine with 14 CPUs of similar capabilities
[08:38] <torkel> maswan: when/if ubuntu starts supporting AFS we can probably make it even less a problem... :-)
[08:38] <davyd> and someone just returned from the US with somewhere near 10gigs of RAM
[08:38] <fabbione> maswan: nope.. i only need to be able to ssh in/out + access http://archive.u.c and http://ports.u.c
[08:38] <fabbione> davyd: i did run debian on an E10K with 32 CPU / 32 GB of ram
[08:39] <fabbione> davyd: i am not new to sparc hw
[08:39] <davyd> fabbione: we don't have one of those :(
[08:39] <davyd> I figured
[08:39] <davyd> I'm just trying to think what is useful
[08:39] <davyd> we can't complain at this stuff, it was free
[08:39] <davyd> and realistically, at the moment, both of them are being space heaters
[08:40] <davyd> they're hardly utilised
[08:40] <fabbione> maswan: if you are going to create an account for me, please call it sparcbuildd and not just buildd as it is used to be
[08:40] <maswan> fabbione: ack
[08:42] <fabbione> maswan: thanks
[08:43] <maswan> fabbione: Ok, so can I get an ssh key for that?
[08:43] <fabbione> maswan: sure..
[08:43] <fabbione> maswan: email address?
[08:44] <maswan> maswan@acc.umu.se, please sign the mail
[08:44] <fabbione> maswan: clearly :)
[08:46] <fabbione> maswan: on the way
[08:47] <fabbione> maswan: i will need some sudo privileges to install a few packages on the main hosts (like wanna-build, buildd and sbuild) and to be able to manage the chroots
[08:47] <fabbione> maswan: but we can talk about it later on...
[08:47] <fabbione> if that's ok with you :)
[08:48] <maswan> Well, I'll think about it first, when I'm not so tired. :)
[08:49] <fabbione> maswan: eheh sure..
[08:49] <fabbione> thanks a lot
[09:02] <bob2> Kamion: which's the install option to avoid copying all the .debs to the hard disk during install?
[09:06] <fabbione> maswan: just go to sleep if you are tired :)
[09:06] <fabbione> maswan: it's not something i need now :)
[09:07] <maswan> fabbione: I'm not going to sleep, I'm going out with family to do more violence to the old summer house. :)
[09:11] <fabbione> maswan: go and have fun :)
[09:13] <maswan> fabbione: I will, as soon as they arrive with a car. :)
[09:14] <maswan> fabbione: anything you need immediately?
[09:14] <fabbione> maswan: only you to confirm the keys
[09:14] <fabbione> maswan: and no.. i want you to go out and have fun :)
[09:14] <fabbione> maswan: i will setup the minimal stuff in the meanwhile
[09:15] <maswan> fabbione: well, I'll be around for a while, until I leave. :)
[09:33] <jdub> hrm, no jbailey
[10:17] <BeerDump> JaneW, hello
[10:18] <Simira> morning JaneW 
[10:18] <Simira> how  was Bergen?
[10:18] <JaneW> hello jgotangco 
[10:18] <JaneW> nice
[10:22] <jgotangco> wow you went to Norway?
[10:23] <bob2> go firefox
[10:24] <Treenaks> bob2: kill -9!
[10:25] <bob2> see, I'd like to leave it running for weeks
[10:26] <Treenaks> bob2: \o/ memory fragmentation
[10:27] <bob2> nah, it just screws up
[10:27] <bob2> like the address bar stops updating
[10:27] <bob2> and dialogs can't be closed anymore
[10:28] <Treenaks> bob2: get traces, file bugs
[10:35] <Kamion> bob2: archive-copier/copy=false
[10:35] <bob2> ah, thanks
[10:50] <bob2> Treenaks: bleh, it's just in a poll loop
[10:50] <bob2> I so can't be arsed to recompile it with debugging symbols
[10:51] <elmo> the udu and edubuntu wikis are going down temporarily
[10:53] <sivang> elmo: edubuntu has it's own wiki ? 
[10:54] <elmo> sivang: yes
[10:54] <ogra> sivang, sure
[10:55] <ogra> sivang, it has its own ML :)
[10:56] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:57] <jsgotangco> i should subcribe to that
[10:57] <jsgotangco> ogra, hello
[10:58] <ogra> jsgotangco, yes, go ahead :)
[10:58] <jsgotangco> it needs a lot of love :)
[10:59] <ogra> jsgotangco, if everything goes fine i'll have the first edubuntu liveCD based on mdz's ltsp packages and the k12ltsp appset ready in two weeks
[11:00] <jsgotangco> ahhh i should get ready with that then
[11:03] <fabbione> Kamion: hey dude
[11:03] <jsgotangco> oohh i see the evil hostmaster account
[11:03] <Kamion> fabbione: morning
[11:03] <fabbione> Kamion: got adsl at the new flat? :)
[11:03] <Kamion> fabbione: yep
[11:03] <fabbione> cool
[11:04] <Kamion> up to megabit, about damned time
[11:04] <fabbione> Kamion: ehheh neat :)
[11:04] <fabbione> Kamion: installer/partman question...
[11:04] <fabbione> how much do we care about aoe devices?
[11:04] <fabbione> we know we cannot boot from them....
[11:04] <Kamion> ata-over-ethernet?
[11:04] <fabbione> yeps
[11:04] <Kamion> almost not at all
[11:04] <fabbione> but i know partman has a patch upstream to support them
[11:05] <fabbione> and we have kernel support for breezy
[11:05] <Kamion> you really mean partman, or parted?
[11:05] <fabbione> not sure... probably the latter?
[11:05] <Kamion> that would be more likely
[11:05] <fabbione> yeah i leave that up to the "d-i allmighty" ;)
[11:05] <Kamion> google suggests http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-parted/2004-09/msg00172.html
[11:06] <fabbione> that would be it
[11:06] <fabbione> for me it's a line to add in ide-modules...
[11:06] <Kamion> I don't really know very much about parted, though; I prefer not to touch it myself if possible
[11:06] <fabbione> and in the initrd creation..
[11:06] <Kamion> SteveA's problem this morning was likely a parted thing
[11:07] <fabbione> but i think we can deffer it, if you prefer not to touch parted
[11:07] <Kamion> well, there's no reason not to start adding support
[11:07] <Kamion> in the hope that upstream pick up that patch
[11:07] <fabbione> how fast is upstream generally?
[11:09] <fabbione> because tbh it's an easy change to do, even later on
[11:09] <fabbione> so if you are confortable with it i can do it right away. otherwise we can wait
[11:12] <Kamion> the patch dates from September, no replies ...
[11:12] <fabbione> ok.. let's wait :)
[11:16] <ogra> eeek.....
[11:16] <fabbione> ogra: hey dude
[11:16] <ogra> hey fabbione 
[11:16] <fabbione> ogra: ClusterFS is all in main/universe
[11:16] <fabbione> i need you to start testing too
[11:18] <ogra> fabbione, i'll do, sorry for the lag
[11:19] <fabbione> ogra: that's ok.. don't worry
[11:23] <ogra> has anybody experience with and (auto nice daemon) how cracky is that ?
[11:23] <bob2> wtf
[11:23] <bob2> firefox lost my url history
[11:23] <bob2> thoooooooooooooooooooooooooom
[11:24] <daniels> bob2: eep
[11:24] <Lathiat> thats not a bug, its a "feature"
[11:25] <bob2> no, it's "shit"
[11:25] <daniels> heh
[11:25] <wm_eddie_> I once accidentilly opened firefox in sudo.  That's bad.
[11:25] <Lathiat> but now mummy won't see those naughty sites you visited!
[11:26] <wm_eddie_> all your bookmarks are instantly gone.
[11:26] <Lathiat> whoah, filed a bug?
[11:26] <wm_eddie_> I can't understand bugzilla enough.
[11:27] <Lathiat> so what major is broken in breezynow?
[11:38] <Lathiat> who takes care of the audio stuff? (dmix etc)
[11:39] <Kamion> Download all files that we need to get (775 MiB).
[11:40] <Kamion> oh dear, my mirror is a bit out of date
[11:40] <pitti> Lathiat: that's mainly me
[11:40] <Lathiat> pitti: dmix in breezy + esd doesnt work so well here, yet the settings ive stolen from various wikis before that i used on hoary worked fine, file a bug or ?
[11:40] <Lathiat> or are we just moving to polypaudio and not caring?
[11:41] <pitti> Lathiat: we changed the default sink to ALSA
[11:41] <pitti> Lathiat: right, esd+new alsa == the suck
[11:41] <Lathiat> pitti: right
[11:42] <pitti> Lathiat: maybe the brand new upstream version cures that, but my previously attempted patches didn't
[11:42] <Lathiat> pitti: ah ok, cool
[12:21] <jbailey> daniels, seb128: ping?  Interesting this with some upgrade in the last week, when I restarted my machine, the panels got swapped as to which monitor they were on.  Everything else was still correct.
[12:21] <jbailey> (xinerama setup)
[12:21] <seb128> weird
[12:22] <seb128> I blame xorg :p
[12:22] <jbailey> Even if it is a gtk bug, you'll never admit it again? =)
[12:23] <seb128> exactly :p
[12:23] <jbailey> Objet: 	Nokia 770 developer device program request
[12:23] <jbailey> BOOYAH!
[12:24] <seb128> (I don't have any xinerama here and I know that's the same for one of the gnome-panel upstreams)
[12:24] <seb128> you got a Nokia 770? :)
[12:24] <jbailey> No, but I qualified for one of the 500 discounted ones.  90 or something like that.
[12:26] <jbailey> seb128: Will you know if you need me to be your bitch for testing xinerama stuff. =)
[12:26] <jbailey> s/Will/Well/
[12:26] <sjoerd> jbailey: when did you receive mail about being qualified for that ?
[12:26] <jbailey> sjoerd: Looks like about 45 minutes ago.
[12:28] <seb128> is there any source package known to be known by hct?
[12:28] <jbailey> cdbs was in there
[12:29] <seb128> $ hct source cdbs
[12:29] <seb128> Houston, we have a problem ...
[12:29] <seb128> HCT caught an exception not handled by the command: Fault
[12:29] <seb128> The exception had the value: <Fault 8002: 'error'>
[12:29] <seb128> 
[12:29] <seb128> GRRR
[12:32] <jbailey> I get the same error now, so it's not your setup.
[12:32] <mvo> jbailey: I got a mail too (/me is happy)
[12:34] <jbailey> mvo: It's finally an excuse to clean up my vCard.  evo seems to have about 45 instances of jbailey@canonical.com in it.  The only way I can tell to get rid of them is deleting an email address in the contact and then one of the other ones rushes in to fill the slot.
[12:34] <sjoerd> mvo: thanks
[12:35] <jbailey> sjoerd: If it's alphabetical, we should both have heard before you, so good luck!
[12:35] <seb128> jbailey: thanks
[12:36] <jbailey> Hmm, weird.  evo has a way of expanding to handle the additional phone numbers, but not the additional emails.
[12:37] <jbailey> It doesn't show extra phone numbers in the summary display, but will show all of the email addresses. =)
[12:38] <Kamion> why might a GtkComboBox I've defined in glade and populated in python still show up empty?
[12:38] <jbailey> reflow?
[12:38] <Kamion> reflow?
[12:39] <Kamion> I'm doing:
[12:39] <jbailey> ISTR gtk had a mode where you could tell it not to update the widgets live when you were rapidly filling them up.
[12:39] <Kamion>         list_store = gtk.ListStore(str)
[12:39] <Kamion>         geographic_area = self.glade.get_widget('geographic_area_combo')
[12:39] <Kamion>         geographic_area.set_model(list_store)
[12:39] <Kamion> and a bunch of append_text() after that
[12:40] <jbailey> The last gtk coding I did was some time ago, though.
[12:42] <Kamion> when I click on the combo box, it pops up as a blank rectangle about four lines high
[12:42] <Kamion> it kind of looks like there's something in it but gtk is horribly confused about what
[12:43] <mvo> Kamion: you could just do a area.set_model(None), udate the list and do a set_model(liststore) after that again
[12:45] <Kamion> oh, do I have to set the model after populating the list?
[12:45] <seb128> should not
[12:46] <mvo> Kamion: the combo box has two modes, one is a mode that needs a model and one is a simplified mode that only works with text. 
[12:46] <mvo> Kamion: you need to set the model only once, but I'm not sure if the problem might be that you mix the two "modes" 
[12:47] <Kamion> I tried leaving it at None (which was what I got after using gazpacho to lay out the interface), but then append_text() failed an assertion because the model wasn't a list store
[12:48] <Kamion> populating the list store first doesn't seem to make any difference
[12:48] <mvo> Kamion: could you /msg me the complette code snippet?
[12:49] <Kamion> mvo: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/comboboxproblem.tar.gz
[12:54] <Kamion> mvo: oh, you'd gone by the time I finished testing that second round of apt changes for extraoverrides, and my mail was non-functional at that point - but it worked fine, thanks
[12:55] <seb128> Kamion: 
[12:55] <seb128> "The append_text() method appends the string specified by text to the list of strings stored in the combo box gtk.ListStore. Note that you can only use this method with combo boxes constructed with the gtk.combo_box_new_text() function."
[12:56] <seb128> according to the API
[01:01] <mvo> seb128++
[01:02] <doko> seb129
[01:14] <jdub> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[01:14] <jdub>   aptitude* ubuntu-base* ubuntu-minimal*
[01:14] <jdub> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[01:14] <jdub>   python2.4-apt
[01:14] <jdub> The following packages will be upgraded:
[01:14] <jdub>   apt apt-utils python-apt synaptic update-notifier
[01:14] <jdub> 
[01:14] <jdub> ^ been getting this for a while now -> what's b0rk?
[01:19] <thom> lamont/infinity: can you give-back tomboy, please?
[01:20] <elmo> thom: won't help
[01:20] <elmo> libdbus-1-cil is still in universe
[01:21] <thom> argh, when did tomboy get promoted? (and, shouldn't the fact that tomboy deps on libdbus-1-cil autoseed it?)
[01:25] <elmo> it's asking to be promoted yes
[01:25] <elmo> I don't know who promoted tomboy and not it, and whether or not it's had (or even needs) it's security  review
[01:25] <elmo> teri needs logging so badly
[01:26] <Kamion> wasn't me, I assume it was mdz
[01:26] <pitti> it is not even in the queue https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue
[01:41] <tepsipakki> is the http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SecurityUpdateProcedures page out of date?
[01:41] <tepsipakki> regarding the "issues that warrant" an update
[01:43] <mdke> hno73, looking good :)
[01:44] <hno73> mdke :)
[01:44] <mdke> this is so awesome
[01:44] <mdke> we have a proper wiki
[01:45] <Lathiat> heh yay
[01:51] <Kamion> tepsipakki: why do you ask?
[01:53] <pitti> Kamion: I'm just talking with him, the "reasons that warrant an update" really warrant an update .. :-)
[01:54] <tepsipakki> yeah, I got what I asked for ;)
[02:08] <mvo> jdub: do you get this on dist-upgrade? what happens when you do "apt-get install update-notifier"
[02:18] <Duck_work> jbailey: hope there is not to much noise
[02:18] <Duck_work> coin everybody
[02:20] <Duck_work> seb128: could you say cdbs or cdbs2 ?
[02:20] <koke> mvo: I'm upgrading with aptitude and update-notifier shows the post-upgrade information stuff
[02:20] <koke> but aptitude is not finished yet
[02:20] <koke> mvo: any suggestion to debug (if needed)
[02:20] <seb128> cdbs
[02:20] <Duck_work> seb128: perfect :-) thanks
[02:21] <seb128> np
[02:21] <Duck_work> jbailey: i'm ready
[02:21] <pitti> Duck_work: so seb128 saying "cdbs" actually helps you with something? :-)
[02:22] <Duck_work> pitti: hilight test
[02:22] <pitti> aah :-)
[02:22] <Duck_work> i don't want to miss cdbs2 devel infos
[02:22] <Duck_work> that's why i'm here actually
[02:27] <pitti> ah, now the name wiki.duckcorp.org makes sense to me :-)
[02:30] <mdke> hno73, will there be an equivalent of the comments system?
[02:31] <hno73> mdke: We plan to use /talk sub-pages, but we need to add a button to the interface for it
[02:31] <mdke> ok yeah
[02:31] <hno73> It will be similar to the 'discuss' page in Mediawiki
[02:32] <mdke> sounds good
[02:32] <hunger> hno73: Is that to comment on the BreezyGoals? Or for something else?
[02:33] <mdke> for the ubuntu wiki in general
[02:34] <hunger> PS: fedora's (pre-)installer has a really niffty feature: It has a "Test install CDs" function right after the boot screen.
[02:34] <hno73> hunger: the idea is the have comments _about_ a page on a sub-page so not to clutter up the actual page
[02:34] <hunger> hno73: Yeah, great:-)
[02:34] <mdke> hunger, yeah that test CDs function is pretty cool
[02:34] <hunger> hno73: BreezyGoals is not in the ubuntu wiki though... so does this apply to the udu wiki as well.
[02:35] <hunger> mdke: I am remembering now since I am trying to install from a kubuntu-CD which seems to be broken:-(
[02:35] <hno73> hunger: you can create a /talk page there if you like too
[02:37] <mdke> omg it is so nice not to have to login back to the wiki everytime I close and open the browser
[02:37] <hunger> hno73: I am under the impression that I can't. Would make sense... those texts are "official", you won't have all kinds of wierdos scribbling into them;-)
[02:37] <bob2> hunger: ubuntu has had that feature for a long time, too
[02:37] <hunger> bob2: Where?
[02:37] <hunger> bob2: md5sum does not count;-)
[02:37] <bob2> hunger: in the main installer menu
[02:37] <bob2> boot in expert mode and you'll be dropped at it
[02:38] <Kamion> or select 'go back' from the first screen to get to the main menu
[02:38] <hunger> bob2: Ah! there it is!
[02:38] <hunger> Maybe you could try to make that somewhat more prominent:-)
[02:38] <hno73> hunger: That's why 'talk' is a good feature. Just visit http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals/talk. Tell them I said it's ok :)
[02:38] <Kamion> hunger: can't in the current architecture, I'm afraid
[02:38] <Kamion> hunger: may be able to in the future
[02:40] <hunger> Sorry... I only keep asking you to add stuff and do not contribute back:-(
[02:43] <hunger> Hehe... FC4 did not find my wlan card... hoary asks whether I want to install using it as my primary interface!
[02:52] <jdub> mvo: Package upgrade-notifier is a virtual package provided by:
[02:52] <jdub>   update-notifier 0.39.2
[02:53] <jdub> mvo: same as before with update-notifier
[03:05] <mvo> jdub: what happens if you run "apt-get install update-notifier aptitude"?
[03:09] <hunger> Any comments on debian's TODO for etch? Will that be stuff ubuntu can use?
[03:10] <tseng> hunger: we pull in most everything from debian, so of course
[03:11] <tseng> two of those are on our own list for breezy and breezy+1
[03:11] <tseng> (g++, multiarch)
[03:11] <hunger> tseng: What is multiarch?
[03:11] <tseng> 32 + 64 bit libs
[03:11] <tseng> on amd64 or ppc64 for example
[03:13] <hunger> tseng: Oh, great.
[03:15] <tseng> wow debian dropping old kernels
[03:15] <hunger> tseng: Well, talking about dropping...
[03:15] <tseng> on the list anyway.
[03:16] <hunger> tseng: http://wiki.debian.net/?EtchTODOList has a summary of the debian-devel discussions.
[03:16] <tseng> im reading it
[03:20] <Kamion> [ 19%]  Getting: pool/main/g/gcc-3.4/cpp-3.4_3.4.4-0ubuntu6_i386.deb      # failed:Can't access /sites/archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool: I/O error
[03:20] <Kamion> wow
[03:24] <daniels> Kamion: awesome
[03:24] <daniels> Kamion: cdimage?
[03:25] <Kamion> nah, ftp.mirrorservice.org
[03:25] <daniels> ah
[03:29] <bob2> is gam_server supposed to spin at 100% stat'ing non-existent files in /tmp?
[03:32] <tseng> bob2: thats a feature
[03:35] <bob2> oh, and if you kill it, nautilus, gnome-panel and mail-notification go up to 100% to make up for it
[03:35] <daniels> haha
[03:35] <daniels> awesome
[03:35] <Lathiat> better than spinning on /media/usbdisk/blah
[03:35] <Lathiat> bob2: heh
[03:37] <bob2> it seems all running gtk programs are trying to take all my cpu now
[03:37] <bob2> inkscape, gimp, gnome-settings-daemon, etc
[03:37] <tseng> cool someone made a traceback to my blog
[03:37] <tseng> and his site has an htaccess
[03:37] <Mithrandir> heh
[03:38] <Lathiat> hmmm
[03:38] <Lathiat> imfairly sure apt isnt supposed to take >30 seconds to calculate a dist-upgrade
[03:38] <daniels> Lathiat: your gnome-panel has probably gone insane :P
[03:38] <Lathiat> hmm it got there
[03:39] <Lathiat> i guess it realy did needtoo
[03:39] <Lathiat> so, whats broken in breezy atm?
[03:39] <tseng> mono dbus stuff needs rebuilt
[03:39] <tseng> maybe a few more things for cxx
[03:39] <tseng> mostly working on my end..
[03:39] <Lathiat> so mono mostly works
[03:39] <Lathiat> X mostly works
[03:40] <tseng> yes.
[03:40] <Lathiat> and bluez-utils is patched for new dbus
[03:40] <Lathiat> ok everything i careabout works now:)
[03:40] <chmj> :) 
[03:40] <daniels> x completely works
[03:40] <Lathiat> daniels: completely? rocking :)
[03:40] <bob2> daniels: no more "if you make this symlink *here*..."?
[03:40] <daniels> yeah, and now I'm about to break it, because I hate each and every one of you
[03:40] <daniels> bob2: right
[03:41] <daniels> bob2: but that's shit boring, so I'm going to dump a modularised libX11 on breezy soon
[03:41] <daniels> locales only *just* started working
[03:41] <bob2> rock
[03:41] <tseng> :(
[03:41] <daniels> (like, with my CVS commit from ten minutes ago)
[03:42] <tseng> daniels: hah we added that cflags crap the the beagle release
[03:42] <tseng> about libxss
[03:42] <daniels> tseng: heh
[03:42] <daniels> well, this is where Xlib.h moves from /usr/X11R6 to /usr
[03:42] <daniels> the rest should go pretty quickly
[03:42] <daniels> since they don't do anything fancy-pants like libX11
[03:43] <tseng> Treenaks: save those beers for all the guys who made the wiki unsuck
[03:44] <Treenaks> tseng: I have enough money to buy them stonger stuff than mere beer
[03:44] <ogra> Fatal server error:
[03:44] <ogra> could not open default font 'fixed';
[03:44] <ogra> the X server's font paths might be misconfigured
[03:44] <ogra> seb128, ^^^
[03:44] <seb128> ?
[03:44] <ogra> seb128, thats sabayon ? why does it need the fixed font ?`
[03:44] <seb128> I'm not maintainer xorg
[03:44] <seb128> s/ainer/aining/
[03:44] <daniels> wtf is sabayon?
[03:45] <seb128> sabayon is the stuff for GNOME to create profiles
[03:45] <ogra> seb128, it looks like it tries to start a second xserver
[03:45] <seb128> it starts a gdmflexiserver
[03:45] <ogra> ah
[03:45] <daniels> hm
[03:45] <seb128> you do your changes here
[03:45] <ogra> ok, then i understand the error :)
[03:45] <seb128> and it saves the changes to create a profile
[03:45] <daniels> ogra: make sure your FontPaths are all pointing to /usr/share/X11/fonts in xorg.conf
[03:45] <ogra> seb128, thanks 
[03:45] <seb128> np
[03:46] <ogra> daniels, i didnt restart my xserver since last weekend, so my config might not be the newest :)
[03:46] <daniels> heh
[03:46] <ogra> i was just astonished that sabayon needs a own xserver
[03:47] <tseng> ogra: its actually a pretty clever way to do ti
[03:47] <tseng> it
[03:47] <ogra> tseng, yeps
[03:47] <ogra> tseng, i'd love to incorporate it in edubuntu....
[03:47] <tseng> indeed
[03:47] <tseng> i could probably use it for mono-live
[03:47] <tseng> to make a custom session
[03:48] <bob2> this is screwed
[03:48] <lifeless> bob2: ping
[03:48] <daniels> OH MY GOD WHY DOES SO MUCH STUFF ABUSE /USR/X11R6 SO BADLY
[03:49] <lifeless> 42
[03:49] <daniels> i am so going to go on a mass-bug-filing RAMPAGE in debian
[03:49] <tseng> daniels: because its been there for an enternity?
[03:49] <daniels> tseng: policy forbids t
[03:49] <daniels> and lintian and linda BITCH REALLY LOUDLY at you for doing it
[03:49] <ogra> daniels, heh, policy
[03:49] <tseng> heh
[03:49] <tseng> lintian
[03:49] <daniels> (this is an issue which irritates me to some degree)
[03:58] <jbailey> Duck_work: Heya. =)
[04:01] <jbailey> dilinger: Around?
[04:02] <Duck_work> jbailey: !!!
[04:03] <dilinger> jbailey: yessir
[04:03] <jbailey> dilinger: Wanted to introduce you to duck, he's a new stalker of ours.
[04:04] <dilinger> cdbs2 related stalking, or he just likes the long hair?
[04:04] <jbailey> dilinger: He did pretty much the only documentation that exists for cdbs1 (I think the motu's use it), and has nick highlighted on cdbs and cdbs2 to follow the conversations in here, since we usually have them here or in #ubuntu-kernel. =)
[04:04] <dilinger> ah, right.  yea, i remember seeing his docs
[04:05] <jbailey> (He also might like boys with long hair.  The subject has never come up.)
[04:07] <ydo> Hi folks
[04:08] <bob2> so
[04:08] <bob2> the only way to fix this is to SIGSTOP gam_Server
[04:08] <bob2> if you kill it, it respawns
[04:08] <bob2> and continues walking your entire hard disk
[04:08] <Lathiat> bob2: rebootand format!
[04:08] <bob2> for a GTK bug?
[04:08] <Duck_work> jbailey: i prefer short-haired boys usually :-)
[04:09] <Duck_work> coin dilinger 
[04:11] <Lathiat> bob2: of course,what else?:)
[04:11] <jbailey> Duck_work: Ah well, I'm spoken for an monogamous anyway. ;)
[04:11] <jbailey> s/an/and/
[04:12] <Duck_work> jbailey: never said i had more than one at once, and unfortunatly stats are often stalled to 0
[04:14] <Simira> *ubuntu t-shirts ordered*
[04:15] <Treenaks> Simira: I want ubuntu t-shirts too!
[04:15] <Simira> Treenaks: I hope to get them before Debconf.
[04:15] <Simira> then I'll bring some
[04:15] <Treenaks> Simira: I can't come to debconf because I got a new camera
[04:16] <Simira> Treenaks: that made sense :p
[04:16] <Simira> else, I'll ship them to Europe. Information will come soon, somewhere near you ;p
[04:17] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks bought a camera, and now he's too broke to go to debconf, presumably
[04:17] <Simira> I guessed that
[04:17] <bob2> hah, holland -> debconf is the price of a camera.  such a trip would cost as much as my car.
[04:18] <Treenaks> bob2: get a cheaper car
[04:18] <Simira> bob2: I don't have a car, and I can't afford a camera ;p
[04:18] <bob2> hahahaha
[04:18] <Simira> brb, dinner
[04:18] <Treenaks> Simira: yes, but you're practically next to helsinki ;)
[04:18] <ogra> bob2, thats because they all fly with KLM
[04:18] <Simira> Treenaks: yeah... practically.... uh
[04:18] <bob2> hth is it dinner time in norway?
[04:19] <Treenaks> bob2: 16:18 ?!
[04:19] <ogra> early dinner :)
[04:19] <bob2> = late lunch
[04:21] <eruin> do any of you know where I can get involved in d-i i18n? after installing breezy, I can safely say the person doing norwegian has a complete lack of basic grammar knowledge :O
[04:23] <Simira> eruin: and thanks to you ;)
[04:23] <Simira> eruin: www.ubuntu.no, #ubuntu-no
[04:23] <HiddenWolf> eruin, should be careful, you might just be talking to that person just now. :P
[04:23] <Simira> HiddenWolf: shhh
[04:23] <eruin> is that you Simira? :&
[04:24] <Simira> eruin: not exclusively. not much actuay. I just try to organize it.
[04:24] <Simira> ehm
[04:24] <Simira> = ll
[04:27] <Lathiat> trs80_: davyds on laptop?
[04:27] <trs80_> my laptop
[04:27] <trs80_> console, of course
[04:27] <trs80_> since I can't get working X
[04:27] <Lathiat> stillno X love?:)
[04:27] <Lathiat> heh
[04:27] <Lathiat> Should have bought a dell!
[04:27] <trs80_> tried upgrading to breezy, now I don't have an xserver at all
[04:27] <Kamion> eruin: #debian-boot
[04:28] <Kamion> if the strings aren't Ubuntu-specific, I'd greatly prefer not to be the bottleneck on passing corrections back to Debian
[04:28] <Simira> Kamion: which translation is on Breezy-installer? Debian/Sarge has a completely good one, as far as I know ...
[04:28] <Kamion> Simira: the same
[04:29] <Simira> hmm.. ok
[04:29] <Kamion> Simira: there are some additional translations of Ubuntu-specific strings, which I'm happy to take corrections for
[04:29] <lamont__> elmo: pin
[04:29] <lamont__> g
[04:29] <Simira> Kamion: eruin just volunteered ;p
[04:29] <Kamion> well, when I say "the same", it's difficult, because d-i is highly modular. It should all be at least as new as sarge, though
[04:31] <Simira> Kamion: but you got a new translation from Terance Sola just before hoary released?
[04:31] <Kamion> yes
[04:31] <Kamion> I believe I only accepted translations of new strings, though
[04:31] <Kamion> although my filter may have missed a ffew
[04:31] <Kamion> few
[04:38] <Kamion> eruin: which strings in particular?
[04:38] <eruin> Kamion, any chance of seeing d-i stuff on rosetta?
[04:39] <eruin> Kamion, I could reboot and fetch the relevant screens if you want
[04:39] <HiddenWolf> rosetta needs some love, awefull lot of red there. :(
[04:39] <Simira> eruin: I suppose you'd want to get into hoary translations and to it upstreams
[04:39] <Simira> to/do
[04:41] <eruin> ie have a stab at the debian-boot guys
[04:42] <dilinger> yay, nobse's bzr no longer uses python2.4
[04:43] <Kamion> eruin: yeah, it's on my list of things to do for breezy
[04:43] <Kamion> eruin: please, that will help me to determine whether you need to pester me or upstream
[04:43] <eruin> kk
[04:43] <eruin> brb
[04:45] <dilinger> bah, still not installable on hoary
[05:00] <ogra> damned... i have an infinite and unsolvable lintian error....
[05:00] <ogra> E: bibshelf: spelling-error-in-copyright debain Debian
[05:01] <pitti> fabbione: any objections if I resolve your #8116 as duplicate of #7619?
[05:01] <ogra> bad for software that comes from http://www.debain.org
[05:01] <ogra> grr
[05:02] <azeem> ogra: add a lintian override
[05:03] <bob2> hahaha
[05:03] <ogra> azeem, yeps, that would do it, thanks.... i was nearly going insane *g*
[05:15] <eruin> Kamion, okay, trouble found in the hostname setup, partition method select, partition manager itself, "copying remaining packages" screen, and the screen that's supposed to tell users that there's no root
[05:16] <eruin> I'm guessing the noroot-part is ubuntu-specific ;)
[05:16] <mvo> does anyone have a idea what encoding http://ring.fujixerox.co.jp/archives/linux/debian/debian-ddtp/dists/unstable/main/i18n/Translation-ja might have?
[05:19] <Kamion> eruin: right, as is "copying remaining packages"
[05:20] <mvo> and what language http://ring.fujixerox.co.jp/archives/linux/debian/debian-ddtp/dists/unstable/main/i18n/Translation-uk could be?
[05:20] <Kamion> mvo: -ja is EUC-JP
[05:21] <Kamion> mvo: -uk is one of the KOIs, probably KOI8-U
[05:22] <mvo> Kamion: thanks for EUC-JP, works now!
[05:22] <bradb> hey guys, question for you as we sync the debian bugs into Malone. let's say we imported 200 debian bugs you personally had filed into Malone, *and* that you had an active launchpad account that you were using. would you expect to get Malone email notifications if any comments or other changes are made in Malone to those imported debian bugs that you reported?
[05:22] <Kamion> yes, looks like KOI8-U, there's a slight difference
[05:22] <Kamion> (from -R)
[05:23] <Kamion> bradb: comments definitely, not sure about other administrivia
[05:24] <bradb> Kamion: noted, thanks
[05:25] <mvo> Kamion: how did you figured it out?
[05:27] <Kamion> mvo: I knew the standard legacy encodings for those languages, so I tried feeding them through iconv to UTF-8 and verified that they looked right
[05:29] <mvo> Kamion: cool! thanks, works now for both files :)
[05:45] <mdz> thom,elmo: at the time that I promoted tomboy, it appeared that all its deps were in main (though perhaps this one was masked by beagle?)
[05:46] <seb128> Keybuk: hey ... hct is known to have issues atm? It returns a 8002 on "hct source" 
[05:46] <tseng> mdz: tomboy is still build-dep on libdbus-cil
[05:46] <tseng> mdz: which is now libdbus-1-cil
[05:46] <mdz> tseng: oh, so it changed names?  that would match my observations
[05:46] <tseng> which just finally built sometime yesterday
[05:46] <tseng> mdz: indeed.
[05:47] <mdz> if it's essentially the same as the old package, it doesn't need another review
[05:48] <tseng> i dont keep my gpg and all that at work, it will have to wait.
[05:48] <tseng> but easy fix.
[05:52] <Keybuk> seb128: hct source what?
[05:52] <Keybuk> hmm, meh
[05:52] <seb128> Keybuk: whatver I've tried, cdbs by example
[05:52] <seb128> why according to jbailey is listed by hct
[05:52] <Keybuk> yeah, it's breaking somewhere deep in pybaz
[05:52] <seb128> s/why/which/
[05:53] <Keybuk> will look into that in a minute
[05:53] <seb128> thanks
[05:56] <mdz> Kamion_: have you ever seen an aptitude segfault like the one in the email I CCed you on?
[05:58] <tseng> daniels: do you have time today to look at libgdiplus ftbfs? its gross cairo/x stuff
[05:58] <tseng> daniels: hm i should try the CFLAGS hack first
[05:58] <daniels> tseng: sure
[05:59] <danielki> hi
[05:59] <tseng> gdip.h:33:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
[05:59] <tseng> might fix that actually
[05:59] <tseng> and /usr/include/X11/extensions/Xrender.h:34:23: error: X11/Xutil.h: No such file or directory
[06:00] <mvo> mdz: could you please forward that segfault to me too? does it contain a backtrace?
[06:00] <Keybuk> seb128: there's an internal error in pybaz, and I'm not really sure what it means; will have to wait until ddaa is about -- could be a problem with last night's dogfood rollout
[06:00] <thom> tseng: i uploaded a fixed tomboy, too
[06:00] <tseng> thom: you rock!
[06:00] <thom> tseng: it needs to be given-back once libdbus-1-cil is promoted
[06:00] <seb128> Keybuk: k, no hurry, thanks
[06:01] <tseng> thom: promoted? libdbus-1-cil is from dbus source
[06:01] <daniels> tseng: CFLAGS="-I/usr/X11R6/include"
[06:01] <mdz> mvo: no, it's just: ./menu/pkgsel: line 5:  5121 Segmentation fault      DEBIAN_PRIORITY=high aptitude --without-recommends -y install "$PATTERN"
[06:01] <mdz> mvo: in base-config.log
[06:01] <mdz> but it's 100% reproducible
[06:02] <thom> tseng: yes, but currently it's in universe
[06:02] <mdz> only for that invocation, though. later aptitude invocations work fine
[06:03] <mvo> mdz: how hard would it be to get a backtrace? 
[06:03] <mdz> mvo: hard
[06:03] <mdz> mvo: I'm working on it
[06:03] <mdz> I have to get him to set up a serial console for the first boot, before base-config runs
[06:04] <tseng> daniels: testing.
[06:04] <mvo> mdz: uh :/
[06:05] <Kamion_> mdz: nope, never
[06:05] <mdz> Kamion_: me either
[06:06] <Kamion_> right now I'm working on the impressive stack of stuff that caused #11852
[06:07] <mdz> Kamion_: how is OEMInstaller looking?
[06:08] <Kamion_> mdz: 		 
[06:08] <Kamion_> #
[06:08] <Kamion_> gah
[06:09] <Kamion_> mdz: I've got a debconf-only version working, with modifications to localechooser and kbd-chooser; yesterday/today I've been working on a pygtk layer in front of that so that it's actually reasonably usable
[06:14] <elmo> lamont__: ?
[06:16] <mdz> Kamion: please update BreezyGoals, if you haven't already
[06:29] <thom> kafeine: please don't have public away messages in this channel
[06:30] <Kamion> mdz: done
[06:34] <mdz> mvo: why the b-d on expat in apt-listchanges?  I'm not aware of anything in apt-listchanges which uses it
[06:47] <mdz> daniels: what's your latest ETA for xorg?
[06:48] <daniels> mdz: fixed libX11 locale issues now, so tomorrow morning is the plan
[06:48] <daniels> mdz: doing non-work stuff at the moment as it's well beyond core hours
[06:51] <mvo> mdz: gettext needs it to generate a pot file from the glade file for the gtk frontend
[06:52] <mvo> mdz: I need to fix it so that it does not update the pot file during the package build though
[06:54] <thesaltydog> is there any german-speking mate who can help me in translating a message?
[06:54] <thesaltydog> speaking
[06:54] <mdz> mvo: if gettext needs it, gettext should depend on it
[06:54] <mdz> mvo: I thought we wanted the pot file to be updated during the build?  pitti has been sending patches to that effect
[06:56] <r0bby> you guys should throw qmail into the apt repository 
[06:57] <r0bby> it's reletively secure
[07:03] <lamont__> daniels: if I have a box with multiple graphics cards, does the xorg stuff just automatically make me multi-screen?
[07:03] <daniels> lamont__: nope
[07:04] <lamont__> iz complex?
[07:04] <lamont__> (being multi-screen, that is..)
[07:04] <lamont__> apparently it "just happens" on XP.
[07:11] <jdodson> mako: you around?
[07:18] <mako> jdodson: yessir
[07:19] <jdodson> mako: i would appreciate a chat if you have a spare moment.
[07:26] <mvo> mdz: hm, right. gettext does only need it for glade files. I'll check that now
[07:41] <fabbione> Kamion: ping?
[07:45] <sebest> hello, anyone knows if the CDDL (opensolaris licence) allows tools like smf to be ported to linux?
[07:46] <sebest> SMF-> Service Management Frameworks, equivalent of apple launchd, that could replace the aging init.d system
[07:49] <bob2> haha aging
[07:49] <bob2> CDDL is gpl incompatible
[07:49] <sebest> bob2 MPL also!
[07:50] <azeem> but SMF doesn't sound kernel related?
[07:50] <sebest> but firefox is in ubuntu right?
[07:50] <sebest> the same for the php, apache licence and so on
[07:50] <elmo> man, is beagle going to be in breezy?
[07:50] <bob2> sebest: er, firefox is triple LGPL. GPL and MPL
[07:50] <elmo> I keep losing notes I write in random cryptically named files
[07:50] <sebest> bob2 and what about php?
[07:50] <ogra> elmo, yes, thats planned
[07:50] <bob2> sebest:  no idea, but php isn't essential for anything on linux
[07:51] <mdz> Kamion: does your OEMInstaller prototype include the proposed test mode?
[07:51] <ogra> elmo, but you should buy really fast disks for it ;)
[07:52] <elmo> ogra: meh, it can work in the background can't it?
[07:52] <tseng> elmo: it throttles
[07:52] <elmo> I only ever lose stuff that's from 2-3 days ago
[07:52] <Kamion> mdz: no, not yet
[07:52] <ogra> elmo, it does... but my lappie gets dran slow over here
[07:52] <Kamion> fabbione: pong
[07:53] <elmo> tseng: hum, how's it do that as a userland process?
[07:53] <sebest> bob2, i just mean that many software are gpl incompatible and are distributed by debian/ubuntu
[07:53] <bob2> sure
[07:53] <tseng> elmo: it scales down normally, scales up when you turn on a screensaver or i think X idle time
[07:53] <fabbione> Kamion: yo... i noticed a "strange" thing about some pcmcia modules on some arches...
[07:53] <crevette> hello
[07:53] <elmo> tseng: ah, cunning
[07:53] <tseng> elmo: links to libxss
[07:53] <fabbione> Kamion: perhaps you can shed some light on it..
[07:53] <sebest> and i wanted to know if something like smf could also be distributed if ported
[07:53] <tseng> but now it doesnt scale up if you are on battery, ogra 
[07:54] <fabbione> Kamion: drivers/ide/legacy/ide-cs.o
[07:54] <ogra> tseng, cool
[07:54] <azeem> they claim the CDDL is OSI-free I think
[07:54] <fabbione> Kamion: some arches ship that module.. others don't..
[07:54] <fabbione> Kamion: and they do it in ide-modules. meaning that ide-modules needs to depend on pcmcia
[07:54] <sebest> azeem, yes, but who say, "this can be ubuntu", this can't
[07:54] <fabbione> Kamion: since i am trying to allign a little bit the mess around...
[07:55] <fabbione> Kamion: should i kill that module or should i make ide-modules depends on pcmcia
[07:55] <fabbione> ?
[07:55] <tseng> elmo: rob love just added some stuff for profiling disk utilization, i dont think it does anything useful with it yet
[07:56] <ogra> elmo, but regarding my inbox it might be an individual problem :)
[07:56] <Kamion> fabbione: if I were you I wouldn't try to align that - the differences between architectures in that regard is generally because some architectures have actually shipped with IDE PCMCIA devices whereas others never have
[07:56] <ogra>  du -hcs /home/ogra/.evolution/
[07:56] <ogra> 927M    /home/ogra/.evolution/
[07:56] <ogra> 927M    total
[07:56] <Kamion> fabbione: so please make ide-modules depend on pcmcia-modules just on the appropriate architectures
[07:56] <sebest> azeem for example APSL2 is a is also OSI compatible but no software under apsl2 can enter debian :s
[07:56] <elmo> ~/mail % du -sh .
[07:56] <elmo> 1.8G    .
[07:56] <elmo> ogra: don't even go there :P
[07:56] <tseng> ogra: was it you or daniel who got an ioctl out of space? i know what causes it now
[07:56] <ogra> elmo, beagle does
[07:56] <fabbione> Kamion: ok...
[07:57] <Kamion> fabbione: there is really no point creating an artificial pcmcia-modules on e.g. ia64 just for the sake of uniformity
[07:57] <ogra> tseng, i didnt, but think i remember it was dholbach
[07:57] <fabbione> Kamion: it was already there...
[07:57] <fabbione> Kamion: on ia64 i mean...
[07:57] <Kamion> it's not in Debian
[07:57] <Kamion> oh, 2.6 only
[07:57] <tseng> ogra: inotify has a limit on monitored folders per process
[07:57] <ogra> ah
[07:57] <Kamion> well, $ARCH that's never had PCMCIA hardware, then
[07:57] <tseng> ogra: he was over it :)
[07:58] <ogra> heh
[07:58] <fabbione> Kamion: well there are pci <-> pcmcia adapters...
[07:58] <fabbione> Kamion: and i found pcmcia there.. so i'd rather keep it
[07:58] <ogra> tseng, how do we work around that ?
[07:58] <tseng> ogra: its an ioctl, you can kick it up
[07:58] <tseng> ogra: but its high enough i dont think we need to do it in the distro.. (8192 folders in ~)
[07:59] <ogra> hmm, sonds enough for the average user...
[07:59] <ogra> sounds even
[07:59] <tseng> thats directories, not files
[08:00] <tseng> thats a ton
[08:05] <tseng> ogra: i think we might direct people to #ubuntu-mono for a few weeks to avoid me/users flooding other channels?
[08:16] <erb> hello
[08:25] <hunger> Who handles the acpi-support init-script?
[08:25] <jdub> mvo: there?
[08:25] <mvo> jdub: yes
[08:25] <jdub> hey
[08:26] <tseng> hi jdub 
[08:26] <jdub> hey hey
[08:27] <Kamion> hunger: that's mostly been thom
[08:27] <hunger> thom: Are you around?
[08:29] <hunger> Looks like I will have to use a bugtracker.
[08:31] <hunger> What is the best way to send a patch for a packet? Attach it to a bugreport?
[08:36] <Kamion> hunger: s/packet/package/; yes, that works
[08:36] <hunger> Does someboby know a tool that works on scsi devices like hdparm does on ide?
[08:37] <hunger> Kamion: My new laptop breaks the acpi-scripts by not having a hda:-)
[08:37] <hunger> Lots of ugly warnings...
[08:39] <grover> no hda?
[08:40] <HiddenWolf> grover, sata drives are named sda
[08:40] <hunger> grover: It insists on calling its drive sda. SATA I think...
[08:40] <grover> sata laptop?
[08:40] <grover> cool
[08:41] <hunger> grover: It is by far the nicest laptop I had so far!
[08:41] <HiddenWolf> grover, it's hardware, those tend to run hot. :P
[08:41] <HiddenWolf> and sata has few advantages as of yet... :P
[08:41] <hunger> HiddenWolf: Well, my previous laptop gets *WAY* hotter.
[08:46] <hunger> grover: HiddenWolf is right though: not worth the trouble of getting a SATA laptop yet.
[08:48] <HiddenWolf> sata desktop drives are cool because you can do away with master/slave ide meddling during building, but that's about it.
[08:49] <hunger> HiddenWolf: It is nice for the drives to be hotpluggable in laptops...
[08:49] <hunger> HiddenWolf: Not that you will want to replace the primary drive during opperation;-)
[08:52] <grover> but the cdrom is still not sata right?
[08:55] <Kamion> hunger: there's an 'sdparm', although it hasn't quite been packaged yet
[08:55] <Kamion> Debian bug #312580
[08:56] <hunger> Kamion: Maybe I should upgrade to breezy...
[08:56] <hunger> Kamion: I got a IBM laptop and BreezyGoals states those to be supported;-)
[09:07] <HiddenWolf> hunger, I'd not advise you to at this stage. :P
[09:11] <hunger> HiddenWolf: My other laptop is on breezy... works not-too-badish.
[09:16] <HiddenWolf> hunger, your call then. :P
[09:18] <HiddenWolf> Eh, why is the bounties page that's advertised on the front page mostly an empty skeleton? Most don't even have a status assigned...
[09:18] <HiddenWolf> I bet you'd get a lot more responce to them if you'd put them as "to be assigned"
[09:33] <tseng> thom: thomboy!!
[09:34] <Nafallo> tseng: ?
[09:34] <tseng> Nafallo: its working
[09:34] <Nafallo> yay!
[09:45] <HiddenWolf> hunger, i'd sue
[09:46] <hunger> HiddenWolf: Whom? canonical for not syncinig their release schedule with my plans or myself for always needing the newest gadgets?
[09:47] <Nafallo> hunger: sue yourself! that would be fun :-)
[09:47] <seth_k> make sure when you do sue yourself, you sue for court costs as well. those are expensive. :P
[09:49] <hunger> Please stop making fun of me... I am depressed enough already.... Installing win took a couple of hours and installing linux will take the next couple of days! That is the first time in years that it will take longer for me to install linux than win:-(
[09:50] <Nafallo> hunger: what about breezy-daily to install?
[09:50] <Nafallo> TFBIS?
[09:51] <Nafallo> dooh!
[09:51] <Nafallo> FTIFS even :-)
[09:51] <hunger> Nafallo: Doesn't have the restricted modules I need:-(
[09:51] <hunger> FTIFS?
[09:51] <Nafallo> Failed To Install From Scratch ;-)
[09:51] <hunger> Nafallo: Looks like I'll need to rebuild at least some of the stuff myself.
[09:52] <Nafallo> nice :-)
[09:53] <hunger> Nafallo: I think I'll give the almost-dark side a whirl before I have to move over to the really dark side of windows.
[09:55] <Nafallo> lol
[09:58] <mvo> what locale is "eo"?
[09:59] <KaiL> esperanto?
[10:00] <HiddenWolf> right
[10:00] <HiddenWolf> ISO 639 Language Codes
[10:00] <HiddenWolf> ISO 639 Language Codes. ISO 639: 3-letter codes ... 450-1100) esk Eskimo (Other)
[10:00] <HiddenWolf> epo eo Esperanto
[10:00] <mvo> heh, thanks :)