[12:22] <mdke> evening all
[12:27] <mdke> holy shit
[12:36] <mdke> Seveas, looks like I have given the doc team a bad reputation on the forums
[12:37] <Burgundavia> mdke, where?
[12:37] <mdke> Burgundavia, i'm embarassed to show you, but i will
[12:37] <mdke> gimme a moment to try and straighten things out
[12:38] <mdke> a joke i cracked in here was taken wholly too seriously and out of context
[12:38] <Burgundavia> forgot it was patch tuesday
[12:38] <Burgundavia> have to remind my father
[12:38] <Burgundavia> as my brother now runs Ubuntu
[12:40] <Burgundavia> mdke, what is your forum username?
[12:40] <mdke> i'll give you the link
[12:40] <mdke> just lemme finish writing something
[12:40] <mdke> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40056&page=1&pp=10
[12:41] <mdke> the author of that is SquishyWaffle, who posted this: https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ForumRepSystem
[12:41] <mdke> i happened to agree with him
[12:41] <mdke> but it seems some of my comments were misinterpreted
[12:43] <Burgundavia> so I see you made this comment:
[12:43] <Burgundavia> Naturally everyone is entitled to their opinion on this. my view is that the spirit of Ubuntu (and open source in general) is that status is not important. Sadly this point is missed by many in the community, and things like heirarchy do nothing to promote this spirit.
[12:43] <Burgundavia> is there an earlier one?
[12:43] <mdke> yeah
[12:43] <mdke> but you have to read on
[12:43] <mdke> :-(
[12:44] <mdke> sadly the thread is closed so I can't try and clarify publically
[12:45] <Burgundavia> I don't see anything that damaging
[12:45] <Burgundavia> you didn't call anyone cocksuckers or something similar
[12:46] <mdke> read all the way?
[12:47] <mdke> my remarks were entirely limited to the heirarchy and reputation system, but they seem to have been taken as anti-forum, which they were not at all.
[12:50] <Burgundavia> tempest in a tea pot I say
[12:51] <mdke> yeah
[12:52] <mdke> well the reason i've taken it badly is that i don't want the relationship between forum and docteam to break down just as it is starting to draw closer
[12:52] <mdke> i have written him a conciliatory message
[12:53] <mdke> Burgundavia, anyhow, how are you? did you resolve your issues with LUG/gaming yesterday?
[12:54] <Burgundavia> I am going to gaming
[12:54] <Burgundavia> going to miss the lug for another month
[12:55] <mdke> hmm
[12:55] <mdke> got another solution for the key?
[12:58] <mdke> Be RiGhT bAcK reading chan scrollback
[12:58] <Burgundavia> I can get is signed
[01:08] <mdke> well reading the scrollback has convinced me that the problem is more serious than I thought
[01:08] <mdke> where did they get the impression we hate them?
[01:08] <Burgundavia> I also mad an stupid comment
[01:08] <Burgundavia> to ubuntu-devel
[01:08] <Burgundavia> which is mirrored to the forums
[01:09] <mdke> i saw that
[01:09] <mdke> it was so obviously not meant in a bad way
[01:10] <mdke> even so, we clearly don't speak for the docteam
[01:10] <Burgundavia> from a developer perspective, most of what is one the forums is noise
[01:10] <mdke> thats not even a criticism
[01:10] <Burgundavia> mdke, I do now, as I have the tag of doc team
[01:10] <mdke> well you know what i mean
[01:10] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34049
[01:10] <mdke> the docteam is not all us
[01:11] <mdke> there are others
[01:11] <Burgundavia> impressions matter
[01:12] <mdke> true
[01:12] <mdke> but I don't think there is a clear doc team policy regarding the forums
[01:12] <mdke> look at all the effort henrik has made towards bridging the forum and wiki
[01:12] <Burgundavia> the CoC stuff covers it
[01:12] <mdke> what do you mean?
[01:13] <Burgundavia> the code of conduct covers what not to do on the forums
[01:13] <mdke> oh sure
[01:13] <mdke> i meant, there is no anti-forum docteam vibe
[01:15] <Burgundavia> having the thing on the side means that what I say has more weight
[01:16] <mdke> i hate those damn things on the side :)
[01:16] <mdke> except moderators, obviously they need em
[01:18] <Burgundavia> ok, if this guy is involved in Debian and Koha, why isn't Koha packaged for Debian yet?
[01:18] <Burgundavia> http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2005-1.html#confapps0614
[04:14] <mdke> jsgotangco, pst in here
[04:15] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:15] <jsgotangco> yeah yeah
[04:15] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:15] <jsgotangco> hows it going
[04:17] <jsgotangco> wtf
[04:17] <jsgotangco> http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1506514,00.html
[04:17] <jsgotangco> stupid pilots
[04:24] <mdke> i'm fine
[04:24] <jsgotangco> judax, ping?
[04:26] <jsgotangco> mdke, you busy or already about to sleep?
[04:27] <mdke> jsgotangco, nearly sleep, why?
[04:27] <mdke> hi FLeiXiuS 
[04:27] <jsgotangco> mdke, regarding i18n of docteam docs
[04:28] <jsgotangco> want to verify if its really going to be in rosetta
[04:28] <FLeiXiuS> mdke, hey :-P
[04:28] <mdke> jsgotangco, that's the idea
[04:28] <mdke> why?
[04:28] <mdke> got a better idea?
[04:30] <jsgotangco> no i prefer rosetta
[04:30] <mdke> ok cool
[04:30] <jsgotangco> we're quite short on people so that's one thing we're going to cross off our list
[04:42] <mdke> right i'm off to bed
[04:42] <mdke> nearly 4 am
[04:42] <mdke> :(
[04:44] <jsgotangco> hmm
[04:44] <jsgotangco> wait
[04:44] <jsgotangco> you represent the italian team?
[04:44] <jsgotangco> ???
[05:06] <judax> jsgotangco: Hi I am here
[05:08] <jsgotangco> hey
[05:08] <judax> Hi
[05:08] <judax> been lazy tonight, watching TV :)
[05:08] <jsgotangco> ahhh so you're idle
[05:08] <jsgotangco> do you want to take over the kquickguide?
[05:09] <judax> sure, if you would like me to
[05:09] <jsgotangco> judax, i don't mind i have to check the status of the other docs, kquickguide is almost done anyway
[05:09] <judax> ok, sounds good
[05:10] <jsgotangco> ok i won't do anything to the doc for now and just expect your patches
[05:10] <jsgotangco> after the meeting, i'll request svn access for you
[05:10] <judax> Ok, I will get it wrapped up
[05:10] <judax> ok, thx
[05:11] <jsgotangco> the patch is great btw, thanks
[05:11] <jsgotangco> everything is happily validating
[05:11] <judax> sorry bout the screens, that was stupid
[05:11] <judax> good
[05:11] <jsgotangco> nahh its ok
[05:11] <jsgotangco> you did good
[05:12] <judax> god
[05:12] <judax> err good
[05:13] <judax> there is a major section in Kynaptic book that needs to be finished too, Managing Packages
[05:14] <jsgotangco> you reckon a kubuntu install guide would be nice?
[05:14] <judax> yes
[05:15] <judax> I see a lot of questions on the user lists and forums about installing it
[05:15] <jsgotangco> it would be a nice document for sure
[05:15] <judax> I agree
[05:16] <jsgotangco> wait a bit i think that's a breezy goal
[05:16] <jsgotangco> hold on
[05:17] <judax> I read lots of posts from ubuntu installers wondering how to install kubuntu, will it bork my ubuntu, etc
[05:17] <jsgotangco> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/MigratingToUbuntu
[05:18] <jsgotangco> "Finally, a one-page PDF should be produced that answers the most common questions about using the Ubuntu installer. This should be placed at the top level of the Ubuntu CDs so that people can find it and print it before starting installation. (During installation people will not have access to anything else on their computer, let alone the Internet.)"
[05:18] <judax> looking at page
[05:19] <jsgotangco> sounds good to me
[05:20] <judax> agreed, the PDF should be there
[05:20] <judax> you think PDF to cover both gnome and kde?
[05:21] <jsgotangco> hmm
[05:22] <jsgotangco> ubuntu should be ubuntu-specific and kubuntu, kubuntu-specific
[05:22] <jsgotangco> but both are the same installers basically
[05:22] <jsgotangco> hmm
[05:22] <judax> true, but what is the target, do we confuse converts with DE talk or not?
[05:23] <jsgotangco> i think we shouldn't. what do you think
[05:25] <judax> my impression: ubuntu is THE philosophy, the DE is just the DE
[05:26] <jsgotangco> i think the DE doesn't really matter
[05:26] <jsgotangco> Kubuntu isn't shipped anyways, so people who get it know they're going to get KDE
[05:27] <jsgotangco> (we can ask Riddell or amu though)
[05:27] <judax> I could be wrong, but I considering my self to be running ubuntu even though I spend most of my time in kde
[05:27] <judax> true
[05:27] <judax> depdends on the line between the two projects
[05:28] <judax> phone call, one sec
[05:52] <jsgotangco> brb
[05:58] <judax> back, sorry
[06:00] <jsgotangco> its ok
[06:00] <jsgotangco> i was just about to grab lunch
[06:08] <judax> ok
[07:27] <judax> gonna sleep
[07:36] <jsgotangco> later man
[12:02] <mpt> judax, jsgotangco: I recommend producing a separate PDF for Kubuntu
[12:02] <jsgotangco> mpt, yup, that's the gameplan
[12:02] <mpt> good good
[12:02] <jsgotangco> mpt, good thing froud has one done already in svn before he left
[12:03] <mpt> So he hasn't come back?
[12:03] <jsgotangco> it would be crazy to have only one pdf install guide for both
[12:03] <jsgotangco> nope
[12:03] <mpt> What was he doing here the past couple of days, then?
[12:03] <mpt> Just being a KDE advocate? :-)
[12:03] <jsgotangco> wow he was here?
[12:04] <jsgotangco> he doesn't even touch the svn lately
[12:04] <mpt> yeah, 17~20 hours ago
[12:05] <jsgotangco> interesting
[12:06] <jsgotangco> oooh he did come in
[12:13] <jsgotangco> oh well i guess he's coming back bit by bit
[12:23] <jsgotangco> later guys
[12:57] <mdke> hey all
[12:57] <mdke> new wiki is nearly ready i bet
[01:05] <Seveas> good job
[01:08] <mdke> yeah i can't wait
[01:39] <mdke> hi silbs 
[01:39] <mdke> welcome :)
[01:39] <Kinnison> Good morning miss Silber
[01:40] <silbs> mdke: thanks. was just popping in to keep an eye out for issues related to the wiki transition
[01:41] <mdke> nice to meet you anyhow
[01:42] <mdke> the wiki looks good
[03:16] <SquishyWaffle> woohoo, Wiki looking good
[03:16] <mdke> you bet
[03:16] <mvirkkil> mdke: Did everything go well?
[03:17] <mdke> i don't know
[03:17] <mdke> looks good to me tho
[03:17] <mvirkkil> and henrik is never here. 
[03:17] <mvirkkil> He should really learn to use irc
[03:17] <mdke> hi knows how
[03:17] <mdke> he is on really frequently, but he is a busy man
[03:18] <jjesse> henrik sent an email to the list that it was finished
[03:18] <mvirkkil> what's his nickname?
[03:18] <mvirkkil> jjesse: Yes, I read it.
[03:18] <mdke> mvirkkil, hno73
[03:19] <mvirkkil> k.
[03:19] <mdke> email is better tho
[03:19] <mvirkkil> Ahh, he's been here today too.
[03:19] <mvirkkil> mdke: Yeah, if I had something worth writing about I'd mail him ;-)
[03:20] <jjesse> it does look nice
[03:20] <mvirkkil> I had an important server melt down on me during the weekend. 
[03:20] <mdke> shit
[03:20] <mvirkkil> mdke: You can say that again.
[03:21] <mdke> shit
[03:21] <mdke> backups?
[03:21] <mvirkkil> mdke: :D It had been running smoothly for something like 5 years, and people have come and gone and tweaked it a bit.
[03:22] <mvirkkil> So no one really knew how everything worked.
[03:22] <mvirkkil> Now we do :)
[03:22] <mvirkkil> Started from scratch and brought back the data from backups. Still some custom software that isn't working, but we'll probably re write it instead of trying to get it working :)
[03:23] <mvirkkil> Since that part isn't critical, and the code looks like shit.
[03:23] <mvirkkil> and it'
[03:23] <mvirkkil> and it's perl.
[03:23] <mdke> hmm
[03:24] <mvirkkil> We (the two admins) don't like perl or php very much. Perl because it can be painful to read, and php because it's usually a pain to maintain.
[03:24] <SquishyWaffle> mmm, I heart php
[03:24] <mdke> sorry to hear about that mvirkkil 
[03:25] <mdke> hopefully you will sort it
[04:05] <SquishyWaffle> going to have a patch ready in a bit
[04:05] <mdke> rebooting
[04:21] <SquishyWaffle> frood
[04:22] <froud> hey
[05:02] <mdke> silbs, silb1, do you know if there will be rss feeds for the new wiki like with the old one?
[05:04] <mdke> also the other thing I've noticed is that http://wiki.ubuntu.com redirects to test.wiki.ubuntu.com
[05:16] <silb1> mdke: i'm not sure, will try to find out
[05:17] <mdke> silb1, re the second thing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com is fine, only without the s it redirects to the test wiki
[05:18] <SquishyWaffle> silb1: Good work, btw.
[05:18] <SquishyWaffle> silb1: It's even faster than it was when i played with it earlier
[05:19] <mdke> yeah its fast and the caching works, its great
[05:20] <silb1> SquishyWaffle: kudos go to Henrik and mdke and others who led the charge on the moin stuff. This should be much faster than zwiki, and it should make the plone website side much faster as well.
[05:20] <mdke> *grins*
[05:20] <mdke> you know henrik handed in his thesis yesterday?
[05:20] <SquishyWaffle> Busy guy :0
[05:20] <mdke> he is unbelievable
[05:21] <SquishyWaffle> Definitely cool, I actually feel motivated to do wiki work now that it's snappy like that :)
[05:21] <mdke> yeah hopefully lots will
[05:22] <mdke> hey henrik
[05:22] <hno73> mdke: hey
[05:22] <SquishyWaffle> Hello
[05:22] <silb1> hno73: mdke had rss questions - can you help?
[05:22] <mdke> yes
[05:22] <mdke> do you know if there will be rss feeds for the new wiki like with the old one?
[05:22] <hno73> silb1: I can look into it
[05:22] <hno73> mdke: I'll ask the moin devs if it's available
[05:23] <mdke> rock
[05:23] <SquishyWaffle> hno73: So you guys have been doing a lot of this with close coordination with the moin team?
[05:23] <mdke> fyi, the previous one was at http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/pages_rss for new pages
[05:24] <hno73> SquishyWaffle: yeah
[05:24] <SquishyWaffle> That's good, it sounds like things worked out well for everyone.
[05:24] <hno73> SquishyWaffle: Yes, I think they will draw some benefit as well
[05:25] <mdke> hno73, the other thing was, http://wiki.ubuntu.com redirects to test.wiki.ubuntu.com, although https://wiki.ubuntu.com doesn't
[05:25] <hno73> we've made that nice new transfer script and a new theme
[05:25] <mdke> the theme is great btw
[05:26] <hno73> mdke: yeah, that's a temporary issue to stop it going in loops apparently
[05:26] <hno73> thanks it needs a bit more tweaking
[05:26] <mdke> ok
[05:27] <SquishyWaffle> hno73: Only suggestion I can see off the top of my head is the copyright text at the bottom and the links might be harder to read on dark monitors, but even that is only in rare situations and is very minor.
[05:27] <hno73> Let me know if you guys have suggestions on how the layout can be improved
[05:28] <mdke> we are totally chuffed right now about the speed and caching
[05:28] <hno73> yeah, the fotter is still weak
[05:28] <hno73> footer
[05:28] <SquishyWaffle> it is unbelievably fast
[05:28] <hno73> you can always change the theme in user prefs too
[05:28] <mdke> oh that was one thing i wondered about.
[05:29] <mdke> after logging in, it would be cool if it took you to the page you were viewing before, rather than user prefs
[05:29] <mdke> dunno if that is poss.
[05:29] <hno73> mdke: I agree. I'll look
[05:29] <mdke> but it is not a massive issue because now after logging in, I stay logged in :DDDD
[05:30] <hno73> yepp
[05:30] <SquishyWaffle> I think that's available under user preferences
[05:30] <SquishyWaffle> "Remember last page visited"
[05:33] <mdke> ok i'll try that
[05:33] <mdke> have we got the translations of the help pages somewhere?
[05:34] <mdke> yes
[05:37] <mdke> hno73, another cool thing to investigate might be whether we have do hotkeys for things. for example Alt+E would go to /editform in zwiki
[05:37] <mdke> whether we have do/whether we can have
[05:38] <hno73> mdke: cool, will ask
[05:39] <mdke> :)
[05:39] <mdke> this is so awesome
[05:54] <mdke> hno73, is it necessary to give the full url to link to talk pages, or to forum/hardware (e.g.)?
[05:55] <hno73> mdke: no. Try ["./talk"] 
[05:56] <mdke> great
[05:57] <mdke> awesome
[05:58] <mdke> ["/talk"]  did it
[05:58] <mdke> thanks hno73 
[06:41] <mdke> hno73, still around? i've noticed we've lost all the pics on the wiki too
[06:42] <hno73> mdke: you mean those icons? Yeah, known bug, sorry. Looking into it
[06:42] <mdke> lots of pics too
[06:42] <hno73> What about screenshots, etc.?
[06:42] <mdke> yeah
[06:42] <hno73> really? Where were they?
[06:43] <hno73> I mean where were they stored?
[06:43] <mdke> they were at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/nameofpic.png
[06:43] <mdke> example is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:43] <mdke> things like PicOpentheRepositoriesDialog
[06:44] <hno73> How were they uploaded?
[06:44] <hno73> As an attachment?
[06:44] <mdke> there was a link which said "add image"
[06:45] <mdke> then they were just linked as http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/PicOpentheRepositoriesDialog.png
[06:46] <mdke> there is an (incomplete) old list of them here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiGardeningIcons
[06:46] <hno73> OK, that linking still works, but the images went missing when we flipped over the URL
[06:46] <hno73> thanks
[06:46] <mdke> so i guess its just a question of moving over the images?
[06:47] <hno73> The kicker is that they worked fine in the test wiki because then the URL still pointed to the old location ...
[06:47] <mdke> yeah
[06:47] <mdke> its the change of url
[06:47] <hno73> yeah, finding first :) and then moving
[06:47] <mdke> simon might be able to help you find em
[06:47] <mdke> he used to rename them for me
[06:47] <mdke> so he has access
[06:47] <hno73> They'll be in our backup
[06:48] <mdke> ok
[06:48] <hno73> It might have to wait until Friday when our Plone expert is back
[06:48] <hno73> I'll ask James too though
[06:48] <mdke> kk
[06:51] <mdke> thanks
[07:14] <mdke> evening jdodson 
[07:15] <jdodson> :) over here it is morning:)
[07:15] <mdke> good morning
[07:15] <jdodson> good evening.
[07:16] <mdke> *laughs*
[07:17] <mdke> nice to have you with us anyhow
[07:17] <jdodson> its good to be around.
[07:18] <jdodson> never a dull moment in he ubuntu-doc channel.
[07:18] <mdke> yeah
[07:18] <mdke> i read the scrollback from yesterday
[07:18] <mdke> hope its sorted now
[07:18] <jdodson> scrollback.  did not read that yet.
[07:19] <mdke> well i read your conversation in here yesterday
[07:19] <jdodson> right.  
[07:19] <mdke> i hope the matter is now resolved
[07:19] <jdodson> it is not, to my knowledge.
[07:20] <mdke> hmm
[07:20] <mdke> can i help at all?
[07:20] <mdke> we are slightly concerned that there is this impression that documentation team members have a problem with the forum
[07:21] <jdodson> i will respond in a minute, brb.
[07:21] <mdke> sure
[07:25] <jdodson> Ok, back.
[07:26] <mdke> jdodson, hi
[07:26] <jdodson> I hear that the docteam is cool with the forums, however they think we could do some things differently.  
[07:26] <mdke> we are cool with the forums
[07:27] <mdke> everything thinks people can do things different, in every sphere
[07:27] <jdodson> Personally, its my goal to get information into the hands of people in the best way possible.  Do I know how that looks all the time, no, I do want to work with you guys to make information more accesable to people.
[07:27] <jdodson> mdke: I have come to understand that.
[07:27] <mdke> criticism is healthy if made in the right way
[07:27] <jdodson> I agree.
[07:28] <mdke> but, I am anxious to rule out any myth that there is a problem between the doc team and the forum
[07:28] <mdke> i exchanged some PMs with ubuntu-geek yesterday to that effect
[07:28] <jdodson> I hear that.  I have begun to expell it from my mind:)
[07:28] <mdke> i hope he will make them public on that thread so that any further doubt can be ruled out
[07:28] <jdodson> Really, the reason why I came to chat with the team yesterday was because of that.
[07:29] <jdodson> That and the rep thing.
[07:29] <jjesse> is this the whole rating forum posters things?
[07:29] <jdodson> But it was mainly so we can be friends.
[07:29] <jdodson> yeah.
[07:29] <mdke> jdodson, I am sure we can
[07:29] <mdke> but also we can help each other
[07:29] <jdodson> mdke: I agree.
[07:29] <mdke> a good example is the interaction already beginning to take place between the forum and the wiki
[07:30] <jdodson> Yeah, azz has spearheaded a lot of that.
[07:30] <mdke> yes
[07:30] <mdke> and henrik from this side
[07:31] <jdodson> Oh, cool:) thanks henrik.
[07:31] <jjesse> why do i have "why cant we be friends" going thru my head right now
[07:31] <mdke> i don't know
[07:31] <jdodson> HA! Because, its a hit song.
[07:31] <mdke> i don't know it
[07:32] <mdke> anyway jdodson we are glad to see lots of forum people in here
[07:33] <jdodson> :)
[07:33] <jdodson> *group hug*
[07:33] <mdke> i really hope ubuntu-geek will make our conversation public so it is clear that the thread from yesterday is all fine
[07:34] <mdke> jdodson, he seemed to have the impression that docteam members do not like the forums, it is not the case
[07:42] <SquishyWaffle> Yes, he definitely came in here guns ablaze
[07:42] <jjesse> big times gun blazing 
[07:43] <jdodson> well i am not here to address ubuntu geek and what he did or did not do.  i am here to personally, build community.
[07:46] <jdodson> And I am also here to say, I hear you guys about being cool with us, and I am cool with you guys.
[07:46] <jdodson> personally of course.
[07:46] <jdodson> So I am speaking for myself.
[07:47] <mdke> Be RiGhT bAcK
[07:51] <mdke> jdodson, i for one appreciate what you have said
[07:53] <mdke> and i am happy if everything is now cool
[07:53] <jdodson> With me, things are cool:)
[08:01] <mdke> jdodson, btw how does the post counting thing under the username work? is it how many posts or how many different threads?
[08:01] <mdke> out of interest
[08:02] <jdodson> to my knowledge, its post count only.
[08:03] <mdke> hmm
[08:03] <mdke> my username has a small bug
[08:03] <mdke> it can't count ;)
[08:03] <jdodson> HA!
[08:03] <jdodson> really? 
[08:03] <jdodson> wow.
[08:03] <jdodson> mention that in the ubuntu-site-discussion area, so it gets more visibility.
[08:04] <mdke> ;)
[08:04] <jdodson> it might effect more people than just you.
[08:04] <mdke> ok i'll have a look
[08:04] <jdodson> cool.
[08:11] <mdke> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=214371
[08:23] <SquishyWaffle> remind me not to download the entire Ubuntu mirrors
[08:23] <SquishyWaffle> if I ever get the inclination again :)
[08:24] <mdke> ok
[08:24] <jdodson> HA!
[08:24] <jdodson> when, tommorow or next week.
[08:24] <jdodson> :)
[08:24] <SquishyWaffle> whenever I can sneak this by the tech guys without them noticing 15 gigs coming down their pipe in an hour or two :)
[08:25] <mdke> you're going to set up a local mirror?
[08:25] <SquishyWaffle> yeah, we need one on campus
[09:02] <jjesse> grumble grumble, file server was down to 3mb
[09:03] <jjesse> seems like senior management decided to store 5.4 gb of mp3s for them to listen to when in on the weekend
[09:18] <philipacamaniac> where can I file bug reports related to the new wiki?
[09:20] <philipacamaniac> I have found a few small, but potentially devastating UI problems... other than that I really like it
[09:21] <mdke> philipacamaniac, you have to give it a chance for some things: it is not yet finished
[09:22] <mdke> what are the problems?
[09:22] <philipacamaniac> problem 1: the "category" views at the top, that show some level of heirarchy, are really screwy... they seem to shift around
[09:23] <mdke> at the top?
[09:23] <philipacamaniac> yes
[09:23] <mdke> there is no heirarchy
[09:23] <mdke> at the top you should have the four most recently visited pages
[09:24] <philipacamaniac> Oh, I see. Okay, that makes sense, but they do LOOK like a heirarchy. Good, one down.
[09:24] <mdke> yeah i know what you mean
[09:25] <mdke> they are similar to the heirarchy thing in the old wiki
[09:25] <philipacamaniac> yep. Next is, with the default theme, the hover color for links in the footer is the same as the footer background.
[09:25] <philipacamaniac> They just disappear :)
[09:26] <mdke> good point
[09:26] <mdke> i think the footer is still being worked on
[09:27] <philipacamaniac> ok, good. Last one: when the pages were imported, their pagenames (e.g. PhilipCain) were imported as a page name and as a header
[09:27] <philipacamaniac> And since the page title is shown anyway, it makes for a lot of doubled titles
[09:28] <mdke> that is true
[09:28] <mdke> you can edit that if you don't like it
[09:28] <mdke> click edit, and remove "= PhilipCain =" from the first line of the doc
[09:29] <philipacamaniac> Yeah, I know, but it means old neglected pages need to be edited, too. Other than that, I love the new wiki, especially the search box (and the speed of the search).
[09:29] <mdke> yeah we love it too
[09:30] <mdke> the speed is the main thing :D
[09:30] <mdke> and the login cache
[09:30] <philipacamaniac> seriously... it is a big improvement
[09:32] <philipacamaniac> For the recently viewed page header, maybe don't use >> as the separator
[09:33] <mdke> hmm
[09:33] <mdke> ok maybe its a good idea to post those last two ideas to the doc list
[09:34] <mdke> that way you will get a response from the webmaster
[09:34] <philipacamaniac> what's the address
[09:34] <mdke> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
[09:34] <philipacamaniac> thanks
[09:35] <mdke> thank you
[09:36] <philipacamaniac> would that be better/more appropriate than filing bugs?
[09:37] <mdke> difficult to say
[09:37] <mdke> i'm still not 100% sure that the webmaster checks bugs
[09:37] <philipacamaniac> I'll just send to the list first and see what comes of it
[09:37] <mdke> he checks the list alright