[12:27] <Unfrgiven> \sh: hey dude
[12:31] <Unfrgiven> good morning all
[12:31] <tseng> hi
[12:33] <Unfrgiven> how are you tseng?
[12:34] <Unfrgiven> tseng: expect a intro developer doc for review sometime next week
[12:34] <tseng> Unfrgiven: yay!
[12:35] <Unfrgiven> tseng: :)
[12:35] <Unfrgiven> tseng: how are things in the mono world?
[12:36] <tseng> good
[12:36] <tseng> dajobe just sent me candy
[12:36] <Unfrgiven> ?!?
[12:37] <tseng> new muine plugins packages
[12:39] <Nafallo> dang. I thought it _was_ candy :-P
[12:40] <tseng> it is!
[12:40] <Nafallo> sounds more like bling ;-)
[12:54] <Unfrgiven> tseng: does muine have media library support like rhythmbox?
[12:54] <Unfrgiven> i find rhythmboxes library support quite sucky
[12:55] <seth_k> siretart: are you the one to talk to about universe games?
[12:58] <tseng> Unfrgiven: sortof
[12:58] <tseng> you need to see it to understand
[12:59] <Burgundavia> seth_k, I am the cheerleader for MOTUGames (but I haven't done any of the grunt work)
[01:00] <seth_k> Burgundavia, can you cheerlead for me? I've patched zSNES 1.42 and it now builds on Breezy (current version is 1.36 in Breezy and 1.40 in upstream)
[01:01] <seth_k> Burgundavia, and was wondering about getting it pushed to universe, so that jdong doesn't eat me for making a backport without the package being in breezy
[01:02] <Burgundavia> list it here
[01:02] <Burgundavia> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/MOTUNewPackages
[01:02] <Burgundavia> and then bug siretart about it
[01:03] <seth_k> that's for updated packages as well as new?
[01:03] <tseng> no
[01:03] <Burgundavia> hmm, got by our wiki again
[01:05] <seth_k> so, ermm
[01:05] <seth_k> try again :P
[01:05] <Nafallo> tseng: feel free to review to patch against etherape ;-)
[01:06] <Nafallo> tseng: only 561kB ;-)
[01:06] <tseng> etherape?
[01:06] <Nafallo> s/ape/eal/
[01:06] <tseng> yes
[01:06] <Nafallo> I'm tired ... :-P
[01:07] <Nafallo> I tried to build the damn thing against breezy multiple times *sigh*
[01:07] <Nafallo> FTBFS as a result :-P
[01:10] <seth_k> Burgundavia, do you have another idea?
[01:10] <seth_k> bug siretart directly and bypass wikipage?
[01:10] <Burgundavia> I guess so
[01:11] <seth_k> okay, I guess I'll just wait for him to come back
[01:11] <Burgundavia> the world will not end if it takes a few days
[01:12] <Burgundavia> and I am glad that jdong is cracking down
[01:12] <seth_k> oh, I'm not in any hurry
[01:29] <tseng> yay, death to zwiki
[01:38] <Burgundavia> hey tseng, I think beagle might have a small memory leak issue
[01:40] <tseng> yes?
[01:41] <Burgundavia> I actually had another program complain about lack of memory
[01:41] <Burgundavia> beagle had been running for about 1 hours
[01:41] <Burgundavia> and I walked the dog just beofre I started it
[01:42] <Burgundavia> hm, no actually, I didn't
[01:42] <tseng> well im not an elite coder type
[01:42] <tseng> i fix packaging bugs
[01:42] <tseng> that sounds like one valid to discuss with upstream
[01:42] <tseng> ill be happy to do what i can to assist you in that
[01:43] <Burgundavia> it also corrupted my terminal;
[01:43] <tseng> ok again not a packaging issue
[01:43] <Burgundavia> yes
[01:43] <tseng> so are you comfortable reporting bugs upstream?
[01:44] <tseng> i have very good sucess with this
[01:44] <Burgundavia> sure, where?
[01:44] <Burgundavia> gnome or novell?
[01:44] <tseng> gnome
[01:44] <Burgundavia> can do
[01:44] <tseng> http://beaglewiki.org/Main_Page
[01:44] <tseng> all info here
[01:45] <tseng> also #dashboard on gimpnet is available
[01:45] <tseng> thanks.
[01:51] <Burgundavia> tseng, can I start bugging you now?
[01:51] <Burgundavia>  trow has changed the topic to: www.beagle-project.org | Beagle 0.0.11 has been released!
[01:51] <tseng> damn
[01:51] <tseng> ok
[01:51] <Burgundavia> btw, nice work with all the mono stuff
[01:52] <tseng> thanks.
[01:54] <tseng> trow and joe fixed all my bugs for this release too
[02:24] <tseng> wb schweeb
[02:32] <tseng> Burgundavia: did that make any sense, before i blow him off? in #db
[02:32] <tseng> mp3 tagging + graphing + "the brain"
[02:48] <Burgundavia> the tagging tool should be part of tying beagle deeper into the desktop
[02:48] <Burgundavia> and the brain thing is just odd
[02:48] <Burgundavia> but I could see drag and drop mindmapping
[02:48] <Burgundavia> that might be cool
[02:49] <Burgundavia> no, you didn't blow him off
[02:49] <tseng> yes, im ignoring him :P
[02:49] <Burgundavia> the motus have made good progress with NewPackages recently
[02:49] <tseng> great
[02:49] <Burgundavia> so I figured I would celebrate by adding another
[02:49] <tseng> im the worst motu ever
[02:49] <Burgundavia> the man who makes Mono rock is not the worst MOTU ever
[02:50] <tseng> heh i dont contribute to group projects
[02:50] <tritium> tseng, no, I'm an awful motu right now
[02:50] <tseng> i contribute only to mono things all over the place.
[02:50] <tseng> i wonder how many packages i own now
[02:51] <tseng> mono, gtk-sharp, gtk-sharp2, gecko sharp 1, 2, gtksourceviewsharp 1,2, beagle, muine, tomboy, f-spot, evo-sharp
[02:51] <tseng> gmime-sharp
[02:51] <tseng> more im sure
[02:54] <tseng> yeah i dont see any of you on breezy-changes
[02:54] <tseng> to make an argument
[02:54] <tritium> you're right
[02:54] <tseng> i give up on koke
[02:54] <tseng> im uploading this
[02:55] <tritium> I'll get back in gear after I defend.
[02:55] <plugwash> still no freepascal binaries in universe though :(
[02:57] <|QuaD-> whooaa... just saw breezy changes, that was fast!
[02:58] <tseng> a new record?
[02:58] <|QuaD-> heh, i dunno, i just came back to my comp and saw new beagle, and then i check breezy changes, not updated
[02:58] <|QuaD-> then it is!
[02:58] <tseng> indeed
[02:58] <Burgundavia> can the Mono people promote Ubuntu, due to our speed in getting their apps into U?
[02:59] <Burgundavia> being Novell employees and all
[03:05] <|QuaD-> Burgundavia: ubuntu devs are novell employees?
[03:05] <|QuaD-> eh?
[03:05] <Burgundavia> the mono devs
[03:05] <|QuaD-> ohh, why would they awant to promote the competition?
[03:23] <tseng> |QuaD-: we arent really competition at all atm
[03:23] <tseng> we are free and dont (yet) offer commercial support
[03:23] <tseng> actually at GUADEC, someone asked miguel "when will fedora have mono"
[03:23] <tseng> he says, probably never.. just use novell. actually, dont use novell, use ubuntu
[03:24] <tseng> you can download the ogg
[03:26] <|QuaD-> haha i believe you :)
[03:27] <tseng> he sent me a stuffed monkey and a mono tshirt
[03:28] <tseng> :)
[03:28] <tseng> i <3 novell guys, they just have a crappy distro
[03:29] <|QuaD-> haha
[03:29] <|QuaD-> yeah
[03:31] <|QuaD-> i tried suse between my debian->ubuntu switch
[03:32] <|QuaD-> i lasted 2 days with suse
[03:34] <ogra> tseng, i wonder when he offers you a job ;)
[03:34] <tseng> hah
[03:34] <tseng> i doubt they woudl pay someone to do deb and not rpm
[03:34] <tseng> BenM already does all the rpms
[03:35] <ogra> tseng, but they look for people :)
[03:35] <tseng> sure.
[03:36] <ogra> and miguel knows your skills ;)
[03:54] <|QuaD-> tseng: started beagle, crashed right away
[03:55] <tseng> can you come up with something a bit more useful?
[03:55] <tseng> beagled --fg --debug
[03:55] <|QuaD-> tseng: hehe, yeah, trying to figure it out first
[03:55] <tseng> give me the exception
[03:55] <|QuaD-> address already in use.... seems can't bind to a socket
[03:55] <|QuaD-> thats my comp
[03:55] <tseng> i see
[03:55] <tseng> do you have another beagle still running
[03:55] <|QuaD-> tseng: nope
[03:56] <|QuaD-> tseng: actually, seems i have an old process
[03:56] <tseng> yes :)
[03:56] <|QuaD-> from when it crashed a while back
[03:57] <tseng> kill that off and try again
[03:57] <|QuaD-> tseng: i did, its goin
[03:58] <tseng> rock on
[03:58] <|QuaD-> how do we use the config?
[03:58] <tseng> beagle-config --help
[03:59] <tseng> its not very useful atm
[03:59] <|QuaD-> tseng: ok, thats why i don't really understand it
[03:59] <|QuaD-> couldn't figure out what it does
[03:59] <tseng> it adjusts one setting
[03:59] <|QuaD-> yeah
[04:01] <|QuaD-> tseng: you are running hula right?
[04:01] <|QuaD-> on ubuntu?
[04:01] <tseng> hrm i ran it once
[04:01] <tseng> to try it
[04:01] <|QuaD-> ahh, i wanted to know the stability
[04:01] <tseng> its stable
[04:01] <|QuaD-> it works well?
[04:01] <tseng> just lacking features/polish
[04:01] <|QuaD-> do you knwo anyone using it?
[04:01] <tseng> well my peeve is the deb i used
[04:01] <tseng> doesnt send mail to an A record
[04:02] <tseng> it dies if there is no MX
[04:02] <|QuaD-> does it do it now?
[04:02] <tseng> no idea
[04:02] <tseng> id hope they fixed it
[04:02] <|QuaD-> ohh
[04:02] <|QuaD-> i am waiting for a new hula package, ours is kinda old
[04:02] <tseng> yes
[04:05] <tseng> goodnight
[04:07] <|QuaD-> night
[05:51] <whiprush> |QuaD-: I use hula.
[05:51] <whiprush> tseng: your beagle-fu is _awesome_.
[06:09] <schweeb> tseng: hai
[08:11] <siretart> morning
[08:33] <Burgundavia> morning
[08:34] <jsgotangco> salut
[08:39] <DanielN_PD> moin
[08:41] <wm_eddie_> ohayoo gozaimasu
[08:44] <siretart> huh? what language is that? ;)
[08:44] <jsgotangco> japanese
[08:45] <siretart> ah. :)
[08:45] <wm_eddie_> I'm one of those crazy people who take Japanese.
[08:46] <wm_eddie_> It's great for making sure my GPA doesn't get too high ><
[08:47] <siretart> gpa?
[08:47] <wm_eddie_> Grade Point Average.
[08:48] <siretart> aha
[08:48] <schweeb> wm_eddie_: high school or college?
[08:48] <wm_eddie_> College.
[08:49] <schweeb> college is kind of important, hs is worthless
[08:49] <schweeb> (gpa that is)
[09:11] <ivoks> :)
[09:15] <jsgotangco> rock and roll high school :)
[09:49] <koke> hi all!
[10:07] <ivoks> hi
[10:13] <Mithrandir> tseng: about two hours and fifteen minutes?  Impressive.
[10:15] <DanielN_PD> haihai :)
[11:05] <jsgotangco> ogra, edubuntu summit?
[11:06] <ogra> jsgotangco,
[11:07] <ogra> yep
[11:07] <jsgotangco> ogra, frankly i am very much interested in edubuntu but it has escaped me for some reason, probably because i have no idea what is happening about it
[11:09] <ogra> jsgotangco, i was in bergen at the skolelinux gathering with sabdfl and JaneW last weekend and we sorted what we need and what is doable in the short timeframe we have
[11:09] <jsgotangco> ahhh now at least it has been structured a bit
[11:10] <ogra> long term target is to have something like the debian-edu packages but with less crack....
[11:10] <ogra> short term target is to have a "one classrom solution" for now....
[11:10] <jsgotangco> ok ill look on the wiki on what is in there and start writing crack for it on our svn
[11:11] <jsgotangco> ogra, the wiki, url, and list just came in as a surprise for me
[11:11] <jsgotangco> i thought it was either half-alive or half-dead
[11:11] <ogra> jsgotangco, half-alive would match it ;)
[11:11] <ogra> jsgotangco, we just didnt have a clear picture before last weekend
[11:12] <ogra> but now it comes to life more and more
[11:14] <jsgotangco> ok that's great at least its back on track i'll look in the wiki first
[11:15] <ogra> jsgotangco, feel free to add cool stuff
[11:17] <jsgotangco> ogra, i'm only good at writing crack xml so i'll add an edubuntu tree into svn
[11:17] <jsgotangco> and just post in the wiki
[11:18] <ogra> jsgotangco, i thenk we'll need a lot of docs.... and it wolud be cool to have everything in the same format (the apps are very mixed and every single one brings its documentation in its own format
[11:18] <ogra> )
[11:18] <ogra> s/thenk/think
[11:19] <jsgotangco> ogra, it actually needs a very thorough manual
[11:19] <jsgotangco> teacher/student
[11:19] <jsgotangco> hrmm
[11:19] <jsgotangco> i should start investigating
[11:19] <ogra> jsgotangco, yes :)
[11:20] <jsgotangco> ogra, count me in, i just transferred ownership of kubuntu manuals to a prospective committer and edubuntu just got in at the right time
[11:20] <ogra> yay
[11:25] <DanielN_PD> mhmh
[11:25] <DanielN_PD> some wiki stuff about edubuntu?
[11:25] <jsgotangco> www.edubuntu.org
[11:25] <DanielN_PD> thx
[11:26] <jsgotangco> its very much in flux at the moment though
[11:27] <Riddell> ogra: would you be able to review my ivman package?  http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/ivman/
[11:27] <ogra> Riddell, during the day....
[11:27] <jsgotangco> Riddell, hi would you be able to review kubuntu docs when they're already up for review?
[11:27] <Riddell> jsgotangco: sure, how do I find them?
[11:28] <jsgotangco> Riddell, i'll publish them as html when they're done and send a link to you
[11:28] <Riddell> cool
[11:28] <jsgotangco> Riddell, so far kubuntu quick guide is almost done
[11:35] <jsgotangco> ogra, wee its now in our svn i'll just hack up basic doc structure tonight
[11:35] <jsgotangco> (its just folders for now but its a start)
[11:36] <ogra> yeah
[11:38] <DanielN_PD> does someone now, when the @ubuntu.com adresses are open for the common members?
[11:38] <DanielN_PD> :)
[11:38] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[11:38] <jsgotangco> i think its a forwarder for now
[11:39] <DanielN_PD> ?
[11:40] <DanielN_PD> ah it's not a whole pop3 account?
[11:40] <jsgotangco> im not so sure..ogra?
[11:42] <DanielN_PD> well, i'ts not such important, just interested me, cause it would be cool to get such an adress
[11:42] <DanielN_PD> :)
[11:43] <jsgotangco> well sabdfl has continously abused elmo on that :-) im sure it'll come soon
[11:44] <ogra> DanielN_PD, its a forwarder, yes
[11:46] <DanielN_PD> ogra: ok, and do you know something about when it's open for the normal members?
[11:46] <ogra> nope
[11:46] <DanielN_PD> oki :)
[11:46] <jsgotangco> normal members?
[11:46] <jsgotangco> you mean there are special members? hehehe
[11:47] <DanielN_PD> should talk more clean
[11:47] <DanielN_PD> :)
[11:47] <DanielN_PD> there was a thread on the list a fiew months ago. topic was, that every member recieves such an adress
[11:48] <ogra> yep, thats planned
[11:49] <ogra> but depends on the launchpad structure i guess....
[11:49] <ogra> thats why sabdfl told everyone to subscribe to the launchpad members group in the last CC meeting
[11:51] <jsgotangco> yeah i remember that right
[11:55] <jsgotangco> DanielN_PD, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/ubuntumembers
[12:03] <tseng> good morning motus
[12:03] <jsgotangco> hi
[12:04] <wm_eddie_> It's about that time to go to bed.
[12:09] <mon> hi, i was wondering if there's any news about packaging the games Corey Burger mentioned in his blog. they seem pretty cool
[12:15] <tseng> Mithrandir: btw beagle has a networked mode now
[12:16] <tseng> Mithrandir: i think the security is the same as the web service.. off-by-default and then only searchs folders you allow
[12:23] <jsgotangco> bye bye
[12:27] <HostingGeek> AHHHHHHHHHHH
[12:27] <HostingGeek> this chilli is burning
[12:27] <HostingGeek> and water makes it burn more
[12:27] <HostingGeek> helopppp
[12:37] <jamessan> eat some salt
[12:44] <jbailey> I like that burning feeling.  It reminds me that I'm alive. =)
[12:53] <DanielN_PD> launchpad seems to be a very interesting project
[01:06] <koke> tseng: BTW, I'm still alive ;P
[01:06] <koke> but madly busy
[02:12] <tseng> koke: :D
[02:12] <tseng> koke: hi!
[02:25] <tseng> wow the wiki is much better
[02:44] <tseng> whiprush: ping?
[03:10] <bddebian> Good morning
[05:30] <lesliev> I have been looking at the missing .desktop file problem: to write these files, do we need to redo the package or just submit a .desktop file?
[05:30] <lesliev> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile
[05:33] <lesliev> If helping would be making a new package, what is CDBS?
[05:33] <ivoks> hm, new wiki
[05:33] <ivoks> cdbs is way of defining rules in debian/rules :)
[05:33] <ivoks> faster wiki :) better wiki :)
[05:34] <tseng> and its not ugly as hell
[05:34] <ivoks> yeah..
[05:35] <ivoks> works great
[05:35] <ivoks> one remark, tough..
[05:35] <ivoks> it doesn't return you to the page you requested
[05:35] <ivoks> after login
[05:40] <lesliev> How do you know if cdbs is used by looking at debian/control?
[05:41] <ivoks> debian/rules
[05:41] <tseng> debian/control will tell you
[05:42] <tseng> it has cdbs as a build-dep
[05:42] <ivoks> jesus... does anyone uses ISDN with linux?
[05:43] <lesliev> ok, I am looking at making a .desktop file for sopwith
[05:43] <lesliev> I see that cdbs is not being used but debhelper is in build-depends, so thats ok
[05:45] <lesliev> Now in rules, I have to make rules to install .desktop and the png icon...
[05:46] <lesliev> and put in a call to dh_desktop
[05:46] <lesliev> Do I just put dh_desktop under binary-arch?
[05:47] <lesliev> What lines do I put in to install the .desktop and the png, and where?
[05:49] <ivoks> lesliev: i did cp blabla.desktop $(curdir)/debian/blabla/usr/share/applications/
[05:49] <Mez> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages
[05:49] <Mez> the 2REviews" section ...
[05:49] <Mez> is that for thing that ahve been done but need fixing, or for things that just need doing#
[05:51] <lesliev> ivoks: under which build target? Does it matter? I suppose 'install' is logical.
[05:51] <tseng> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo is for things that need doing
[05:51] <Lathiat> yay breezy works and it didnt remove any packages:)
[05:54] <ivoks> lesliev: under build
[05:55] <ivoks> lesliev: ah, pardon, install
[05:55] <lesliev> ok, and I put the dh_desktop at the end of binary_arch
[06:48] <Lathiat> tseng: hrm, monodevelop failsto start becauseit cant find gnome-sharp in the GAC, known issue?
[06:52] <thesaltydog> is there any german mate who can help me in translating a message?
[06:58] <siretart> hi
[06:59] <littlepaul> hi siretart
[06:59] <siretart> hm, thesaltydog left a minute too early..
[07:00] <littlepaul> siretart, a wrote my statement to help him - but he left already
[07:01] <siretart> perhaps he already found someone
[07:04] <littlepaul> siretart, O.T. but i'm interested in your opinion about something that i wrote for a while
[07:04] <siretart> littlepaul: what is it?
[07:05] <ivoks> hi all
[07:05] <littlepaul> it is a text (thoughts about ubuntu) not a script ;-)
[07:05] <siretart> hi ivoks
[07:08] <siretart> littlepaul: ok, url?
[07:13] <littlepaul> siretart, i hope you got it
[07:14] <siretart> jupp
[07:21] <tseng> Lathiat: i guess its missing a dep
[07:22] <Lathiat> tseng: any idea which one so i canfind out?
[07:22] <Lathiat> libgnome-cil isinstalled
[07:22] <tseng> libgnome2.0-cil?
[07:22] <Lathiat> ah
[07:22] <Lathiat> right, no thats not installed
[07:22] <tseng> mail me about it
[08:08] <mitsuhiko> hi folks
[08:08] <ivoks> hi
[08:09] <mitsuhiko> i've found ab bug in the wiki, who do I have to contact?
[08:11] <bddebian> Hello mitsuhiko
[08:11] <mitsuhiko> hi
[08:13] <bddebian> It's a wiki, fix it.. ;-)
[08:15] <mitsuhiko> it's not a wiki page, it's the wiki itself ;)
[08:15] <mitsuhiko> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search_form
[08:16] <mitsuhiko> when you search you can't goto an wiki page cause all links has a "/view" appended
[08:18] <bddebian> Oooohhhhhh
[08:18] <bddebian> :-)
[08:22] <binbrain> i have some newbie questions...pbuilder is used for maintaining the chroot env right
[08:23] <binbrain> you build your pacakage against the base.tar.gz
[08:23] <binbrain> why not just chroot and then build your package in there?
[08:25] <jamessan|work> because pdebuild is easier
[08:25] <jamessan|work> and it cleans up after you
[08:26] <seth_k> with pdebuild it's just one command, boom you're done and have signed packages. why not use it and save the trouble?
[08:26] <jamessan|work> ooh, you can have pdebuild sign the pacakges, too?
[08:27] <binbrain> so in practice, do you usually chroot and test the built package
[08:28] <jamessan|work> ah, so you can.  I'll have to remember that option
[08:28] <mitsuhiko> hi DanielN
[08:29] <seth_k> jamessan|work, --auto-debsign :)
[08:30] <binbrain> anyhow, I'm running hoary, I can pbuild a breezy base, build against that, and chroot to test it
[08:30] <DanielN> hi mitsuhiko
[08:30] <binbrain> is my logic correct here
[08:30] <seth_k> absolutely, i'm running breezy and have both hoary and breezy bases
[08:31] <binbrain> excellent
[08:31] <binbrain> thanks for the help
[08:32] <seth_k> so I use a line like pdebuild --auto-debsign --buildresult ../ -- --basetgz /var/cache/pbuilder/hoary.tgz
[08:32] <jamessan|work> :)
[08:33] <seth_k> :D
[08:33] <seth_k> I was told, though, that you should build a hoary chroot, then update it to breezy, rather than building a direct breezy chroot
[08:33] <seth_k> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PBuilderHowto
[08:34] <jamessan|work> lowercase b
[08:36] <seth_k> oops, sorry
[08:37] <jamessan|work> that's ok.  there was a link from that page
[08:37] <jamessan|work> :)
[08:37] <seth_k> hmm, binbrain, guess you missed that link: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[08:38] <seth_k> meh, I'm really good at *just* missing siretart :)
[08:38] <seth_k> he was idle for something like 29 minutes when I arrived
[08:50] <siretart> huh? i'm here :)
[08:51] <seth_k> :O
[08:51] <seth_k> :D
[08:52] <seth_k> I have a patched zSNES package, 1.4.2 (1.3.6 is in Breezy, 1.4.0 is upstream)
[08:52] <seth_k> and I hear you're the one to talk to about Universe games
[08:52] <seth_k> and was wondering if you could look at it for me sometime
[08:52] <tseng> hm how do you mean you have 1.4.2 while 1.4.0 is upstream
[08:53] <siretart> seth_k: great :) - yes, where is your package?
[08:53] <seth_k> sorry, 1.4.0 is in Debian. 1.4.2 is the latest release, from source
[08:53] <binbrain> breezy.buildd not present, DLing from and placing into debootstrap/scripts folder
[08:54] <seth_k> siretart, http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/breezy/zsnes/
[08:54] <seth_k> siretart, thank you much :)
[08:54] <siretart> seth_k: do you happen to know if it is c++?
[08:55] <seth_k> most of it is x86 assembly, i'm not sure if the supporting code is c++
[08:56] <siretart> ok.
[08:56] <seth_k> but it does build cleanly on a fresh chroot'd breezy, and on fresh hoary as well
[08:56] <seth_k> any quick way for me to peek and tell?
[08:57] <siretart> seth_k: your dsc is strange, it is referring to a zsnes_1.420-1ubuntu1.tar.gz
[08:58] <seth_k> o_0
[09:00] <seth_k> yes, I see that. hm, but the file I uploaded was 1.420.orig.tar.gz
[09:01] <seth_k> I took 1.400 from debian, uupdate -u on the source of 1.420, then patched the source to build. i'm not extremely familiar with that process yet so I probably mismatched something
[09:01] <siretart> seth_k: no problem. I'm just looking at it
[09:02] <siretart> seth_k: did you test your package? does it work?
[09:02] <seth_k> siretart: indeed. 2 up-to-date breezy systems
[09:02] <siretart> great! :)
[09:02] <seth_k> siretart, I also used the same source and backported it to hoary, and tested successfully on 3 hoary systems
[09:02] <seth_k> so source is surely good
[09:03] <siretart> did you happen to check your version agains the bugs listed at http://bugs.debian.org/zsnes
[09:03] <siretart> ok
[09:04] <seth_k> siretart, i did not. Shall I compare changelog to buglist?
[09:04] <siretart> seth_k: if you want to do the debian maintainer a favor, yes ;)
[09:05] <siretart> seth_k: I see that parts of zsnes are written in c++
[09:05] <seth_k> ah, and C++ is restricted right now
[09:05] <seth_k> ok
[09:05] <siretart> uploads of c++ applications are restricted for breezy
[09:05] <siretart> yepp
[09:06] <siretart> I'm checking it anyway right now, just a moment
[09:07] <herve> hello
[09:07] <bddebian> Heya herve
[09:08] <seth_k> siretart, this package closes debian bugs 293061, 309347, 301611
[09:09] <siretart> :)
[09:09] <seth_k> siretart, I believe the other three bugs are debian-specific because they are not reproducible on my system after following the steps specified
[09:09] <siretart> seth_k: ok, so, please update the changelog, stating that this package closes the given bugs, and give the it the version number 1.420-0ubuntu1
[09:10] <siretart> that way, we can adopt the debian version more easily if necessary
[09:10] <seth_k> got it
[09:10] <herve> seth_k, I haven't followed, but I hope you reported your patches to debian?
[09:10] <seth_k> while I have a smart person here, when I run "dch" my e-mail address is filled out as seth@localhost.localdomain... do you know offhand where to change that? ;)
[09:10] <siretart> references in the changelog of 'our' (the ubuntu package) should make it more easy for Aaron to adopt the changes
[09:11] <tseng> set DEBEMAIL
[09:11] <tseng> in bashrc
[09:11] <seth_k> ah ha, thank you sir
[09:11] <siretart> yepp, tseng is faster ;)
[09:11] <siretart> I think $EMAIL would be a fallback
[09:12] <abelli> ciao
[09:12] <siretart> hi abelli
[09:12] <abelli> siretart .. are you aware of any problem with hp pavilion's?
[09:12] <abelli> siretart: ciaaoooooo ..
[09:13] <siretart> seth_k: btw, it is zsnes_1.420.orig.tar.gz, not zsnes-1.420.orig.tar.gz ;)
[09:14] <seth_k> ;) I'll learn, if slowly
[09:14] <siretart> abelli: sorry, I'm not at linuxtag
[09:14] <seth_k> i've repackaged quite a bit of stuff, but this was my first patched app
[09:14] <siretart> seth_k: we all were beginners ;)
[09:14] <seth_k> siretart, ubuntu has the best community i've ever found
[09:14] <abelli> siretart: thx anyway.
[09:14] <seth_k> siretart, the amount of support to help people get started contributing is amazing
[09:15] <seth_k> and I thank you for that. I've been having a lot of fun
[09:15] <siretart> seth_k: are you interested in joining Motu (or espc the MOTUGames Team)? ;)
[09:15] <tseng> siretart: does he have a choice?
[09:15] <seth_k> siretart, I do not think I'm knowledgable enough yet
[09:15] <seth_k> but I would love to get deeper into helping maintain Ubuntu
[09:16] <seth_k> I've been packaging backports recently, since that's not too difficult and I know how
[09:16] <siretart> there are a lot of tasks to be done, which are not that hard to learn
[09:17] <siretart> seth_k: If you think you have something which is worth uploading, just ping me or some other MOTU in this channel to get your package reviewed. If good, we will upload it to universe
[09:18] <seth_k> siretart, I would be excited to help in whatever way I can
[09:18] <siretart> :)
[09:18] <seth_k> uploading the changed files here in a sec
[09:19] <seth_k> thank you for helping me out so readily, I was a bit nervous :P
[09:20] <herve> do you know how to unblock a stuck cursor?
[09:20] <herve> (sounds strange, I know)
[09:20] <jamessan|work> ctrl-q  ?
[09:20] <siretart> herve: random guess: CTRL-q
[09:20] <jamessan|work> heh
[09:21] <jamessan|work> maybe he didn't mean in a terminal
[09:23] <herve> silly X
[09:24] <seth_k> siretart, everything is uploaded
[09:25] <seth_k> siretart, http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/breezy/zsnes/
[09:25] <siretart> seth_k: the diff.gz is missing
[09:26] <seth_k> heh, sorry
[09:26] <seth_k> one more second
[09:26] <siretart> oh, I see now, you accidentally turned your package to a native one
[09:26] <seth_k> >_<
[09:27] <herve> ouch!
[09:27] <jamessan|work> make sure the orig tar.gz is named as package_version.orig.tar.gz
[09:27] <jamessan|work> that's bitten me a few times
[09:28] <seth_k> okay, I think this is biting me because I both updated to new upstream, and patched. I'll symlink zsnes_1.420-0ubuntu1.orig.tar.gz to zsnes_1.420.orig.tar.gz?
[09:28] <seth_k> or is there a better way
[09:29] <siretart> no. thats not a good idea, i think
[09:29] <jamessan|work> yeah, that's what uscan usually does
[09:29] <jamessan|work> wait, you don't need the -0ubuntu1, do you?
[09:30] <seth_k> well, I made changes beyond just merging upstream source
[09:30] <siretart> dpkg-buildpackage should recognize ../zsnes_1.420.orig.tar.gz and build a non native package
[09:30] <seth_k> even though my version is -0ubuntu1?
[09:30] <siretart> seth_k: that doesn't matter. your changes will appear in the diff.gz
[09:30] <jamessan|work> seth_k: yeah, but it's the *orig* tarball, so that's not going to change
[09:30] <siretart> that doesn't matter at all
[09:30] <jamessan|work> its version is 1.420
[09:31] <jamessan|work> and will stay that no matter what rev the Ubuntu/Debian package is
[09:31] <seth_k> okay, I think I've got it now
[09:33] <seth_k> yes, this looks much better! here it comes
[09:33] <herve> DanielN, ready to sign when?
[09:33] <seth_k> apologies for the runaround
[09:33] <siretart> ah, I see a .diff.gz :)
[09:34] <seth_k> and the .dsc file is right this time around too :)
[09:34] <siretart> :)
[09:34] <seth_k> okay, upload complete
[09:36] <siretart> gnarf.. /me updates pbuilder ;)
[09:42] <siretart> seth_k: your package looks fine, I would upload it, it it wasn't the C++ freeze now
[09:43] <seth_k> i understand
[09:43] <seth_k> how long does the freeze last?
[09:43] <seth_k> since the g++ transition is done iirc
[09:43] <siretart> seth_k: as soon as every package from here is transitioned: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCxxTransition
[09:43] <siretart> ;)
[09:44] <siretart> err https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CxxLibraryList thats the right one
[09:44] <seth_k> haha
[09:44] <seth_k> ok :) thank you for taking so much time to help me out
[09:44] <siretart> sorry, I can't give you a better date. but its our priority atm
[09:45] <siretart> you're welcome
[09:45] <siretart> thank you for your contribution!
[09:46] <seth_k> where in your opinion is the place to try to get involved right now? I'm a good repackage-monkey, at least :P
[09:46] <seth_k> or is it better to hold off right now
[09:48] <siretart> I think the best way to help us ATM would be to help with the CXX Transition
[09:48] <siretart> often it's not that hard as it sounds
[09:49] <thesaltydog> tseng, ??
[09:49] <seth_k> is that just rebuilding the stuff listed there? (if you need to get back to work, I can find somewhere else to get my questions answered)
[09:49] <tseng> thesaltydog, ??
[09:49] <thesaltydog> tseng, do you have a minute?
[09:49] <tseng> yes
[09:50] <thesaltydog> I have updated my source code, so I made a new bum_1.3.0.orig.tar.gz file
[09:50] <thesaltydog> cleaned the directory, and changed the source
[09:50] <siretart> seth_k: in principle, its just rebuilding. but you have to look at the build dependencies, rename the binary package and check the shlibs file
[09:50] <thesaltydog> why do I have such entries in diff.gz file:
[09:50] <siretart> seth_k: sometime it also involves adapting the debian/rules, but usually its not that hard
[09:51] <thesaltydog> --- bum-1.3.0.orig/debian/compat
[09:51] <thesaltydog> +++ bum-1.3.0/debian/compat
[09:51] <thesaltydog> I don't have the 7debian dir in orig file
[09:51] <siretart> seth_k: look at the descriptions above, and at some bugzilla bugs, espc the debdiffs included there
[09:51] <tseng> you arent supposed to have debian in the orig
[09:51] <tseng> its part of the diff
[09:51] <thesaltydog> in fact I don't
[09:52] <thesaltydog> so you mean that that's no problem having /debian dir entries in diff.gz?
[09:52] <tseng> thats how its supposed to be
[09:52] <siretart> thesaltydog: you needed a german before?
[09:52] <tseng> .orig.tar.gz is the source code exactly as you got it from the upstream
[09:52] <thesaltydog> oh, I believe it makes the diff quite unreadable
[09:52] <tseng> same md5 and everything
[09:52] <thesaltydog> siretart, I found him, thanks!
[09:52] <tseng> eh if you cant read the diff unpack the source and read debian/
[09:53] <siretart> ok :)
[09:53] <herve> thesaltydog, your diff.gz is telling right
[09:53] <ivoks> 'evening
[09:53] <herve> yo ivoks
[09:53] <tseng> dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
[09:53] <seth_k> siretart, I will do research then :)
[09:53] <thesaltydog> herve, thanks
[09:53] <tseng> will unpack the orig and apply the diff
[09:53] <seth_k> siretart, last question and then I will leave you alone :P
[09:53] <ivoks> with this new networkmanager, wifi-radar is obsolete
[09:53] <tseng> ivoks: it actually works?
[09:53] <seth_k> siretart, should I keep that zsnes stuff uploaded, or will you handle it from here?
[09:53] <ivoks> tseng: yeah
[09:54] <tseng> ivoks: GIMME
[09:54] <ivoks> tseng: this on i have is very very buggy
[09:54] <herve> I remember some diffs telling "--- /dev/null" for new files
[09:54] <herve> this looks more readable for me
[09:54] <tseng> ivoks: the package, or the software
[09:54] <ivoks> tseng: but i was told we can expect networkmanager next week in breezy
[09:54] <tseng> oh
[09:54] <tseng> thom++
[09:55] <thesaltydog> herve, ok. I'll keep it
[09:55] <seth_k> networkmanager *drool*
[09:55] <ivoks> ++++
[09:55] <siretart> seth_k: I have a copy here, but I will ping you again before uploading. If I forget that, please ping me ;)
[09:55] <seth_k> okay :) have a wonderful evening and thank you again!
[09:55] <siretart> +^\infinity
[09:56] <ivoks> tseng: if you still want deb...
[09:56] <siretart> seth_k: you're welcome :)
[09:56] <herve> ivoks, wifi-radar can co-exist with networkmanager
[09:56] <ivoks> herve: sure it can
[09:57] <siretart> ivoks: what wifi chipset do you use? madwifi? prism?
[09:57] <ivoks> http://people.ubuntu.com/~thom/network-manager/
[09:57] <ivoks> siretart: ipw2200
[09:57] <siretart> ah, ok. ic
[09:57] <ivoks> these are unstable, obsolete, unsuported repositorys
[09:57] <tseng> ivoks: hm do you know when that was updated
[09:57] <ivoks> do not use them
[09:57] <ivoks> tseng: ages ago :)
[09:57] <tseng> yeah
[09:58] <tseng> i used them then
[09:58] <tseng> made a few bug fixes so the thing worked at all
[09:58] <ivoks> hehe
[09:58] <ivoks> for me it works like this:
[09:59] <ivoks> notification starts (without icons) and runs untill IP is asked from DHCP
[09:59] <ivoks> then, it gets IP and crashes :)
[09:59] <tseng> http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/0.4/
[09:59] <tseng> this is relatively recent
[10:00] <ivoks> yeah... rpms
[10:00] <tseng> and a tar
[10:00] <ivoks> yes
[10:00] <siretart> ivoks: does nm has wpa support already?
[10:01] <ivoks> siretart: don't know
[10:01] <ivoks> wifi-radar has :)
[10:01] <siretart> it has?!
[10:01] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu
[10:03] <tseng> it configures
[10:03] <tseng> we'll see what happens next
[10:03] <ivoks> hm, not for me, on hoary
[10:03] <tseng> well i needed to add build-deps
[10:03] <tseng> im building the source
[10:03] <siretart> grad.hr seems to be offline
[10:03] <ivoks> siretart: yeah, power failure
[10:03] <ivoks> siretart: do you accept dcc send?
[10:04] <siretart> should work, mail preferred, but dcc is also ok
[10:04] <ivoks> my mail is offline now :(
[10:04] <ivoks>  DCC SEND request sent to siretart: wifi-radar_1.9.4-0ubuntu2_all.deb
[10:06] <herve> see you later
[10:06] <ivoks> tseng: build failed? :)
[10:06] <siretart> ivoks: did something got sent?
[10:06] <siretart> 22:06:42 [Freenode]  DCC SEND from ivoks [192.168.0.100 port 32789] : wifi-radar_1.9.4-0ubuntu2_all.deb [29kB] 
[10:07] <siretart> ivoks: I cannot receive from 192.168.0.100 ;)
[10:07] <ivoks> :))
[10:07] <ivoks> siretart: mail? :)
[10:07] <siretart> my hostmask: siretart@tauware.de
[10:08] <ivoks> there it goes
[10:08] <ivoks> you got mail
[10:09] <siretart> thanks
[10:09] <ivoks> stoopid d-link's NAT
[10:15] <ivoks> siretart: is it ok?
[10:15] <siretart> ivoks: I still try to figure out what wpa modes it supports
[10:16] <siretart> I see that it has wpa support. thats great
[10:16] <siretart> does this deb work on hoary or does it need breezy?
[10:16] <ivoks> both
[10:17] <siretart> hui
[10:18] <siretart> ivoks: do you use it with wpa?
[10:19] <ivoks> no
[10:19] <ivoks> could you test it for me? :)