[12:00] <Eddie> cd to its parent dir if you want to remove the folder
[12:00] <djm62> synd: cd unwanteddir; cd ..; rm -rf unwanteddir
[12:01] <djm62> synd: or use nautilus, and have a wastebasket/bin/recyclingcenter/file heaven to get it back from
[12:01] <synd> alright, thanks for the help guys.
[12:01] <Eddie> where all the good files go
[12:02] <Hablandocontigo> If esd is killall-ed will Ubuntu not restart esd untill reboot?
[12:02] <Eddie> Hablandocontigo: not unless you start it
[12:02] <cthulfuego> Hablandocontigo: it will be restarted when you log out of X and log back in.
[12:02] <Hablandocontigo> Eddie: very nice, I'm hoping that will fix my audacity-no-sound-device problem
[12:03] <xiaogil> How to convert an HTML file from BIG5 to UTF8 ?
[12:04] <mjr> xiaogil, recode or iconv; eg. recode big5..utf-8 foo.html
[12:06] <dhruv> i need help real bad
[12:06] <dhruv> can anyone help me
[12:06] <dhruv> need major help!
[12:06] <dhruv> cant get mandriva cd to boot!
[12:07] <jbroome> i'm private help, dunno if I can do anything
[12:07] <xiaogil> mjr:  the command "recode big5..utf-8 00001.html" returns "recode: 00001.html failed: Invalid input in step `BIG5..UTF-8'"
[12:07] <dhruv> how do i boot a new OS
[12:07] <djm62> dhruv: you are in ubuntu
[12:07] <dhruv> yes
[12:07] <djm62> in #ubuntu
[12:07] <dhruv> i want to install mandriva
[12:07] <dhruv> yeah i know
[12:07] <mjr> xiaogil, one would have to conclude that (it thinks) the file isn't proper big5
[12:07] <dhruv> cause thats my OS right now
[12:07] <jbroome> check #mandrive
[12:08] <dhruv> but how would they know how to install it on unbuntu
[12:08] <dhruv> ubuntu*
[12:08] <mjr> xiaogil, perhaps try variant BIG5HKSCS
[12:08] <kvidell> are you trying t odual boot?
[12:08] <djm62> dhruv: the default is to back up your data and treat ubuntu like so much spare disk space
[12:08] <dhruv> i want to get ride of this
[12:08] <dhruv> yeah
[12:08] <jbroome> install mandriva over ubuntu and that'll be it
[12:08] <dhruv> yeah
[12:08] <dhruv> thats what i want
[12:09] <kvidell> well.. go ahead :-P
[12:09] <dhruv> but the cd wont boot
[12:09] <jbroome> put the madriva cd in the machine, reboot you're done
[12:09] <dhruv> i did that
[12:09] <djm62> so, you boot from CD, same as you did to install ubuntu
[12:09] <kvidell> is your bios set to boot the CD?
[12:09] <jbroome> check your bios
[12:09] <dhruv> goes to the ubuntu screen asking to load windows
[12:09] <dhruv> recover ubuntu
[12:09] <dhruv> or start regular
[12:09] <xiaogil> mjr: that was a good idea (as my file is taken from a site in hong kong) but the result still gives : recode: 00001.html failed: Invalid input in step `BIG5HKSCS..UTF-8'
[12:09] <kvidell> is your bios set to boot from the CD?
[12:09] <dhruv> i did, default boot is at my cd drive
[12:10] <fabio> Hello all
[12:10] <kvidell> did yo uget the Mandriva disk image from an official source?
[12:10] <dhruv> yes.
[12:10] <djm62> dhruv: this sounds like your mandriva CD isn't as bootable as it should be
[12:10] <fabio> Guys, anyone knows some good FTP Software for Ubuntu?
[12:10] <dhruv> well its an iso
[12:10] <dhruv> and well
[12:10] <dhruv> i unrared it
[12:10] <xiaogil> mjr:  also, the file is correctly shown in firefox, and is said to be in BIG5
[12:10] <kvidell> un rared?
[12:10] <dhruv> and burned that
[12:10] <jbroome> dhruv: that's the problem
[12:10] <dhruv> i c
[12:10] <djm62> fabio: a server? you can use firefox
[12:10] <dhruv> so burn as an image?
[12:10] <kvidell> indeed
[12:10] <dhruv> oh ok ill give that a try
[12:10] <kvidell> good luck :)
[12:10] <dhruv> thanks kvidell
[12:10] <chatzilla> Guys, newb here. Thinking about going back to linux. I used Mandrake and RedHat in the past. I'm d/l'ing Unbuntu now but I have to ask, do I have to partition the disk before installing or will the distro do that?
[12:11] <djm62> dhruv: in nautilus, right-click on the iso
[12:11] <fabio> djm62, hmm, well just need to upload my website to my space
[12:11] <dhruv> nautilus?
[12:11] <fabio> chatzilla, do u want to install just ubuntu on that HDD>
[12:11] <kvidell> chatzilla: It'll give you some options for partitioning in the installer last I tried.
[12:11] <dhruv> what is nautilus?
[12:11] <djm62> fabio: nautilus is what I use for my website...drag and drop
[12:11] <mjr> xiaogil, bugger then... try iconv -f big5 -t utf-8 < 00001.html > 00001.utf-8.html, but it probably will complain about the same
[12:11] <chatzilla> Fab, nad dual xp and unbutu
[12:12] <fabio> oh cool, how actually??
[12:12] <djm62> dhruv: the standard gnome file manager is deceptively powerful...nautilus
[12:12] <chatzilla> kvidell: ty.
[12:12] <djm62> fabio: Places->Connect to server on the top menu bar
[12:12] <chatzilla> So it's just one CD, tis all?
[12:12] <kvidell> chatzilla: Er.. well.. if you're dualbooting it might be tricky to do from inside the ubuntu install, I've never tried personally :-\
[12:12] <djm62> at the top of your screen right now...
[12:12] <kvidell> yea, one cd
[12:13] <fabio> djm62, ohh cool! Thanks!! I thougt I had to use something like in Windows such as CuteFtp
[12:13] <kvidell> chatzilla: hang on to this url when you're all setup: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=108587&postcount=1 it's a handy'un for new users :)
[12:13] <anto9us> chatzilla: the installer will allow you to erase specific partions and create new partitions of sizes that you specify, or you use your current ones and just specify mount points
[12:13] <chatzilla> kvidell: 10/4
[12:13] <djm62> fabio: :) nice to be the opposite of disappointed
[12:14] <chatzilla> anto9us: I'll give that a shot.
[12:14] <fabio> djm62, I will just go and have a shot, will let you know, thanks anyway
[12:14] <chatzilla> Amazing stuff, when I installed RH 3 years ago, it was like 6 or 7 CDs heh.
[12:15] <djm62> chatzilla: the gzip team have been working really hard ;)
[12:15] <anto9us> chatzilla: yeah, I was quite amazed by the content of the single ubuntu cd
[12:16] <xiaogil> mjr: do you understand chinese ?
[12:17] <fabio> djm62,  You are GREAT!!!!
[12:17] <djm62> it was the devs wot done it
[12:18] <fabio> djm62, it worked at the first time, woow! thanks a lot man!
[12:19] <mjr> xiaogil, no
[12:19] <djm62> somebody thought about making that work, someone thought about how it should be, lots of people helped code...and I get the credit for pointing ;)
[12:19] <xiaogil> mjr: french ?
[12:19] <mjr> no
[12:20] <chatzilla> Install CD is graphical, right guys?
[12:20] <bartekp> chatzilla: text
[12:20] <chatzilla> ouch.
[12:21] <cthulfuego> chatzilla: ncurses, with menus and buttons.
[12:21] <mindspin> hi, for disabling acpi what do I have to add to /boot/grub/menu lst ? acpi no or acpi=0 or acpi=no ?
[12:21] <chatzilla> Ah ... better.
[12:21] <anto9us> chatzilla: it's easy :)
[12:21] <mjr> chatzilla, what did you think then?
[12:21] <cthulfuego> chatzilla: It only runs for 10 minutes, so there's no real reason why it would need to be a slow-ass mouse-requiring GUI
[12:22] <chatzilla> mjr, kinda like ol' rh or mandrake style
[12:22] <IcemanV9> mindspin: acpi=off
[12:22] <chatzilla> Right on cthulfuego.
[12:22] <mindspin> haha, thanks
[12:22] <LokeDK> Does anyone know how to get Creative SoundBlaster Audigy 2 to work in ubuntu?
[12:22] <chatzilla> hehe
[12:23] <hugos> does anyone know why this is happening? -> hdc: cdrom_pc_intr: The drive appears confused (ireason = 0x01)
[12:23] <alekzandr> i have installed qmail, and i need to remove exim without removing courier et al, is there a way to remove exim only?
[12:23] <cthulfuego> alekzandr: By using qmail *packages* that provide mta sure
[12:24] <seth_k> LokeDK: see http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=329208
[12:25] <pfp> alekzandr: apt-get install qmail exim-   <-- note the '-'
[12:26] <LokeDK> seth_k, I'll have a look thx
[12:27] <alekzandr> pfp: i already have qmail installed manually, from source, not a qmail package, do you mean replacing the hand made qmail with a debian package of it?
[12:27] <djm62> exim posse, mofo
[12:28] <LokeDK> but alsamixer says "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device"
[12:28] <The_Antipop> hi
[12:28] <The_Antipop> anyone  have experience with the wupdater.exe problem
[12:28] <The_Antipop> in windows?"
[12:28] <djm62> 0_0
[12:28] <chatzilla> Cd's ready  ::drum:: Later guys.
[12:28] <The_Antipop> haha
[12:28] <cthulfuego> The_Antipop: Check the channel name.
[12:29] <The_Antipop> i know
[12:29] <The_Antipop> there was someone on here a bit ago who knew about hthat
[12:29] <The_Antipop> sorry
[12:29] <djm62> I don't own windows...
[12:29] <anto9us> The_Antipop: you have some registry editing ahead of you
[12:29] <The_Antipop> i know
[12:29] <djm62> but there is a #windows channel, IIRC
[12:29] <The_Antipop> do you know wat ur talking about? ill open up a chat with you'
[12:29] <cthulfuego> If you wipe windows and use ubuntu, you wouldn't have these problems.
[12:29] <synd> heh
[12:30] <matrix> hi i am trying to setup apache with ssl, but when i start it it says my ssl certificate CommonName doesn't mach servername. i used the hostname
[12:30] <xiaogil> mjr: the html file i'm trying to convert contains characters that use a special font which characters are encoded between U+E000 and U+F8F7
[12:30] <pfp> alekzandr: myes that command would do it. if you want to keep your handbuilt qmail, you can install a dummy pkg that satifies the dependency, with equivs
[12:30] <pfp> alekzandr: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-helpers.en.html#s-equivs
[12:30] <cthulfuego> Does ubuntu include nullmailer?
[12:30] <gahan> where in gnome can i manage my desktop/workplace?
[12:31] <Burgundavia> cthulfuego, if it is in Debian, it is in Ubuntu, and yes
[12:31] <Burgundavia> gahan, what do you want to do?
[12:31] <djm62> xiaogil: can you mostly convert and manually type some, or is that inappropriate?
[12:31] <The_Antipop> anot9us can u open up a privat ecaht
[12:31] <gahan> reduce number of workplaces and add some nice icons on my first workplace
[12:31] <alekzandr> pfp: thanks
[12:31] <anto9us> The_Antipop: my rates are 35 per hour for fixing windows machines
[12:31] <nern> is there any way to do an ubuntu netinstall?
[12:32] <cthulfuego> anto9us: whoa, cheap!
[12:32] <djm62> gahan: you can just drag and drop icons
[12:32] <The_Antipop> haha
[12:32] <The_Antipop> please
[12:32] <xiaogil> djm62: that would be inappropriate, because to many file to convert
[12:32] <gahan> djm62: great
[12:32] <Burgundavia> gahan, to reduce the number of workspaces, right click on the workspace thing
[12:32] <gahan> Burgundavia: i've removed it :) hihi
[12:32] <djm62> xiaogil: ah, damn...just in case
[12:32] <The_Antipop> im on ubuntu right now
[12:32] <pedro_> alguien habla espaol
[12:32] <The_Antipop> i loves it
[12:32] <The_Antipop> i jsut can install it now
[12:32] <The_Antipop> #cant
[12:32] <nern> ubuntu netinstall???
[12:32] <The_Antipop> please help
[12:32] <nern> is it possible?
[12:33] <Burgundavia> nern, yes you can, but I have no idea how to do it
[12:33] <djm62> pedro_: #ubuntu-es would be good for you :)
[12:33] <nern> thank you
[12:33] <sinope> hi
[12:33] <gahan> ok all configured
[12:33] <gahan> thx
[12:33] <xiaogil> djm62, mjr: The file i'm trying to convert is the following : "http://www.chant.org/scripts/chant/icb_result.asp?title=H00001", and it uses the following font : "http://www.chant.org/info/download/ics3.ttf"
[12:33] <gahan> =)
[12:33] <sinope> how can i get my console to have higher resolution?
[12:33] <The_Antipop> anto9us?
[12:33] <Burgundavia> The_Antipop, this is #ubuntu but I might be able to help you with your windows issue (am a MCP)
[12:33] <sinope> right now it's real blocky.... looks like some sort of ega display
[12:33] <The_Antipop> ok
[12:33] <The_Antipop> thatnk
[12:34] <sinope> i want mode 773, like i had on slackware
[12:34] <cthulfuego> nern: You can always do a debian netinst and manually edit sources.list to point it at ubuntu.
[12:34] <sinope> anyone know how to do this on ubuntu?
[12:34] <brlancer> I'm trying to install ubuntu to hda2; win32 is on hda1 - it won't let me set both of them as bootable in the installer
[12:34] <anto9us> The_Antipop: boot in safe mode, hack the registry, look for your viruses and aliases and erase those entries
[12:34] <nern> cthulfuego: yeah i thought of that.. do you think it would work ok?
[12:34] <cthulfuego> sinope: Just add it to the boot loader config
[12:34] <cthulfuego> nern: Worked OK for me, about 6 months ago.
[12:34] <brlancer> do I just have to wait until I'm in and then run fdisk to fix it?
[12:34] <sinope> cthulfuego: ah, that's what i would do on slack... but i'm useless with grub :(
[12:34] <The_Antipop> thank you
[12:34] <The_Antipop> how do i hack the registry?
[12:35] <sinope> The_Antipop: good question.
[12:35] <cthulfuego> sinope: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:35] <sinope> The_Antipop: not a short answer.
[12:35] <anto9us> The_Antipop: then run a virus scan with an up-to-date checker and hack the registry again and repeat this process till clean
[12:35] <cthulfuego> sinope: Append tit to the line that starts with 'kernel'
[12:35] <sinope> cthulfuego: thanks!
[12:35] <sinope> append what?
[12:35] <sinope> how rude.
[12:35] <sinope> ;)
[12:35] <cthulfuego> sinope: either 'vga=773' or 'video=....' for your particular framebuffer mode.
[12:36] <mjr> xiaogil, iconv apparently gives the position where it thinks there is invalid big5; see that and try fixing manually
[12:36] <anto9us> The_Antipop: start | run | regedit although your virus may prevent it, hence safe mode
[12:36] <sinope> cthulfuego: okay :) hopefully it'll work
[12:36] <mjr> xiaogil, also, it gives different positions for big5 and big5hkscs
[12:36] <The_Antipop> safe mode still ownt let me log in
[12:37] <mjr> xiaogil, but that's about it for my expertise
[12:37] <cthulfuego> The_Antipop: Start in safe mode, rename the actual visrus file, create a text file with the same name, copy that to where the virus file was, make sure to chattr it, so ti can't be overwritten, restart, remove the virus with the virusscanner, remove the text file. Done.
[12:37] <xiaogil> mjr: ok. how can i cat the file from this xxxx position ?
[12:37] <sinope> cthulfuego: do i need to run "grub" now, to update it?
[12:37] <sinope> cthulfuego: as i would with lilo?
[12:38] <kvidell> sinope: Nope
[12:38] <cthulfuego> sinope: Nope, juste dit the file and all done.
[12:38] <sinope> great
[12:38] <mjr> xiaogil, dd seek=1234 if=file for example
[12:38] <sinope> well, i'm off to reboot
[12:38] <sweaty> Hi, dist-upgrade'ed into breezy. Now x11 wont work... if i apt-get install x-window-system it complains about twm error... I know many ppl has been in this situation... Could anybody please tell me how to fix it? I sort of cant search the web in this terminal
[12:38] <The_Antipop> I CANT START IN SAFE MODE
[12:38] <sinope> thanks guys!
[12:38] <kvidell> The_Antipop: Why not?
[12:38] <sinope> sweaty: /topic
[12:38] <The_Antipop> it locks me out
[12:38] <zth_> has anyone got jackd to work? :S
[12:38] <kvidell> how so?
[12:38] <mjr> xiaogil, though the iconv output seems to end where it screws up, and that's kinda indicative of the position as well
[12:38] <The_Antipop> remember, i cant log in
[12:38] <The_Antipop> safe mode or otherwise
[12:38] <LinuxJones> sweaty, Breezy is broken
[12:38] <cthulfuego> The_Antipop: Well, then you should go to microsoft.com and ask them for support.
[12:38] <The_Antipop> ok then
[12:39] <jamesm> is there a list of ubuntu packages?
[12:39] <sweaty> LinuxJones: i see :) well i'll just stick around in the terminal then for some weeks haha ^^ thx anyway
[12:39] <djm62> sweaty: also, the wiki has stuff on fixing that...apt-cache search surfraw apt-cache search lynx
[12:39] <Eudoxus> I'm having a trouble with xmms. It hangs when I start to play a file. Why
[12:39] <LinuxJones> sweaty, try a few months :)
[12:39] <sinope> well, i'm back
[12:39] <justin> with windows being the "supported" os, finding help should be easy :-)
[12:39] <sinope> i forgot, i have a torrent download that i really don't want to kill
[12:39] <sinope> :)
[12:40] <anto9us> Eudoxus: delete ~/.xmms/config
[12:40] <xiaogil> mjr: the command "dd seek=2317 if=00001.html" gives no result
[12:40] <sinope> so... i'll reboot in 21 hours 28 minutes.
[12:40] <bartekp> Eudoxus: killall esd (;
[12:40] <hugos> Eudoxus, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063&highlight=multiple
[12:40] <mjr> xiaogil, oh yeah, sorry, bs=1 also
[12:40] <avalente> hi*** how can I add Keyboard shortcuts for XMMS? on the preferences app, it doesn't work.. i've searched google, forums and guide* thanks
[12:40] <sinope> avalente: use xbindkeys
[12:40] <xiaogil> mjr: what do you mean ?
[12:40] <sinope> great app
[12:40] <Eudoxus> anto9us, I shall try.
[12:40] <mjr> xiaogil, add bs=1 to the dd command
[12:40] <Eudoxus> bartekp, I shall try
[12:40] <sweaty> djm62: thx i will check it out the official ubuntu wiki no?
[12:41] <avalente> sinope: works with gnome?
[12:41] <djm62> sweaty: yeah, google it
[12:41] <xiaogil> mjr: "dd seek=2317 if=00001.html bs=1" gives nothing too
[12:41] <sinope> avalente: yep, go to preferences -> sessions -> startup programs and add it in
[12:41] <Eudoxus> Okay I tried those two things and they worked.
[12:41] <sinope> avalente: it will always run then
[12:41] <Eudoxus> So, which of them really did the trick???
[12:42] <sinope> avalente: you need to edit .xbindkeysrc
[12:42] <tony__> How do you make the tree show in Nautilus?
[12:42] <sinope> avalente: read the docs, it's real easy
[12:42] <xiaogil> mjr: i'm thinking about another solution which would be to change the encoding of my terminal into BIG5, would you know how to do that ?
[12:42] <anto9us> Eudoxus: mine did ;)
[12:42] <mjr> xiaogil, oops, "skip" instead of "seek"
[12:42] <tony__> It say "view, show tree" but I do see that option...
[12:42] <avalente> sinope: thanks**
[12:42] <mjr> xiaogil, from the terminal menu
[12:43] <Eudoxus> anto9us, u sure?
[12:43] <sinope> avalente: :) sure, come back if you have trouble
[12:43] <tony__> Positive..
[12:43] <Eudoxus> anto9us, because the file has reappeared again and it's still working :)
[12:43] <anto9us> Eudoxus: did it work before you started playing around with visualisations?
[12:43] <pfp> tony__: edit - preferences - behaviour - always open in browser windows
[12:43] <Eudoxus> anto9us, nah I believe the other thing about esd did the trick
[12:44] <Eudoxus> because if I reload esd, winamp hangs again
[12:44] <Eudoxus> so now I should perhaps uninstall esd
[12:44] <Eudoxus> right?
[12:44] <tony__> THANKS!!!
[12:44] <bartekp> Eudoxus: turn off esd in gnome preferences
[12:44] <anto9us> Eudoxus: I was teasing, I really don't know which worked mate
[12:44] <Eudoxus> bartekp, where do you see that preferences
[12:44] <hugos> Eudoxus, there is a nice howto @ http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=32063&highlight=multiple
[12:45] <hugos> Eudoxus, I had that problem today and already fixed it!
[12:45] <Eudoxus> hugos, ah thanks I will take a look at that too!
[12:45] <xiaogil> mjr: let's try something... Can you describe what do you see if I write this : 
[12:45] <matt__> Looking for some help with ati driver for a laptop
[12:45] <Eudoxus> hugos, this might be what I need. besides playing multiple sounds is a must
[12:45] <gahan> can i bind aptg-et to selected ip addr?
[12:45] <gahan> apt-get even
[12:45] <Burgundavia> matt__, have you seen wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[12:46] <mjr> xiaogil, three vertical lines, middle highest, with a horizontal line on the bottom
[12:46] <hugos> Eudoxus, check it out :P
[12:46] <synic> is there no openoffice2 for amd64 ?
[12:46] <matt__> nope
[12:46] <bartekp> Eudoxus: system -> preferences -> sound? sorry, I have gnome with polish locale
[12:47] <Eudoxus> Ah. But first: How do I setup a proxy server in Console??
[12:47] <xiaogil> mjr: okay, that wasn't what I expected 'cause you have chinese fonts in your system... if you didn't, you would probably see a square with the unicode of the character...
[12:47] <Eudoxus> http proxy
[12:47] <djm62> xiaogil: I saw some characters, but mostly not
[12:47] <Fanskapet> ahh ordered some CD's from ubuntulinux today to share amongs my freinds :)
[12:48] <Fanskapet> try to convince them testing ubuntu :)
[12:48] <xiaogil> mjr: do you know can i get only the "code" of characters when using the command "cat" or similar command ?
[12:48] <fabio> hi all
[12:48] <djm62> xiaogil: hexdump ?
[12:48] <matt__> How do I install the fglrx-driver-dev
[12:49] <anto9us> Eudoxus: Firestarter is a gui which will allow you to configure internet connection sharing
[12:49] <mjr> xiaogil, od (with appropriate formatting options)
[12:49] <djm62> fabio: how now
[12:50] <matt__> Why is it saying I have all these drivers installed for my ati card but its not working???
[12:50] <LinuxJones> fabio, welcome
[12:50] <Eudoxus> anto9us, i'll take a look
[12:50] <fabio> djm62, hello, I am going mad, but I dunno if could help me, why when I try to setup a cms on my space it appears to read like this: http://www.weplay.co.uk/current/
[12:50] <fabio> LinuxJones, hello and thanks
[12:50] <LinuxJones> matt__, did you make the changes to your xorg.conf ?
[12:50] <matt__> What does Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[12:51] <bartekp> matt__: fglrxconfig
[12:51] <fabio> djm62, I mean why it reads as /home/www/hosts??
[12:51] <djm62> fabio: tell me the name of one file that should be there?
[12:51] <fabio> djm62, just an index.php
[12:52] <djm62> fabio: http://www.weplay.co.uk/current/index.php
[12:52] <djm62> fabio: possibly a more informative error?
[12:52] <xiaogil> djm62, mjr: it doesn't give what i expected...
[12:52] <djm62> fabio: I think you're not uploading things to the directory you think you are
[12:53] <fabio> djm62, yes that's what I want to load, here is the simple index code: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/74
[12:53] <fabio> djm62, hmm, I don't know, I mean it reads as /home/www/hosts ... so that's strange
[12:53] <xiaogil> I looks impossible to convert my file (http://www.chant.org/scripts/chant/icb_result.asp?title=H00001) into utf-8
[12:54] <djm62> fabio: I don't know what your situation is...is that your own server, a virtual server or what?
[12:55] <fabio> djm62, nope I am trying to upload that stuff to my domain online, nope not my server, with the process you explained me before
[12:55] <fabio> djm62, it seems to work when uploading but I cannot even change the permissions once uploaded...
[12:56] <matt__> still getting Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". after doing the fglxconffig
[12:56] <djm62> fabio: have you tried by right-clicking on the file?
[12:56] <fabio> djm62, yes sure, as I do normally on the desktop
[12:57] <LinuxJones> matt__, you followed all of the instructions for hoary?
[12:57] <djm62> hang on, I'll try to do it myself to check
[12:57] <fabio> djm62, thanks
[12:57] <matt__> as much as I could
[12:58] <fabio> djm62, as you see it says The requested URL /home/www/hosts/weplay.co.uk was not found on this server, obviously, because it is looking at /home/www/hosts and this is strange
[12:58] <matt__> can get very far when I'm not really sure what I am doing
[12:58] <xiaogil> djm62, mjr: I tried to open the file with MS Explorer on windows, then i saved the file into UTF8 encoding, it works, so it should be possible to do it with Linux.
[12:59] <matt__> Can someone help me figure out what I am doing wrong'
[01:00] <Burgundavia> I am going to Seattle tomorrow and I wondered if anyone could sign my GPG key
[01:00] <LinuxJones> matt__, 1) you have the fglrx driver installed ok ?
[01:01] <djm62> fabio: it works for me over sftp...
[01:01] <djm62> fabio: I suspect you aren't in the folder you want to be on the remote server
[01:02] <fabio> djm62, that's strange, well I will try gFtp and see if it is ok, thanks anyway ;)
[01:02] <zth_> how do i check what's using my recording device (isn't that /dev/dsp or sumthing)
[01:02] <djm62> fabio: can you see the files here http://www.weplay.co.uk/
[01:03] <r3d0xXuS``> Hello :D
[01:03] <ampersand> Hi
[01:03] <r3d0xXuS``> i need really really help
[01:03] <mjr> xiaogil, report an iconv/recode bug if you think it's appropriate
[01:03] <r3d0xXuS``> i just installed my unbuntu and i forgot the password :S
[01:03] <fabio> djm62, sure yes ;)
[01:03] <djm62> fabio: in nautilus?
[01:04] <mjr> xiaogil, though it might be that there's some ms non-standard in play here
[01:04] <LinuxJones> r3d0xXuS``, are you familiar with Linux ?
[01:04] <bobbyd> how do I get "for file in *; do echo $file; done" to work with sudu?
[01:04] <bobbyd> sudo even :)
[01:04] <r3d0xXuS``> no im new with linux :x
[01:04] <lsuactiafner> bobbyd : just ls?
[01:04] <r3d0xXuS``> i just starting to learning linux :x
[01:04] <fabio> djm62, yep
[01:05] <bobbyd> lsuactiafner: obvoiusly I want to run a more complex command :)
[01:05] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: when you boot, hit esc to get the menu, select "recovery mode", when it gets to a prompt, type "passwd <yourusername>", then type "reboot".  enjoy
[01:05] <anto9us> bobbyd: put it in a batch file and sudo that
[01:05] <cyphase> oh my god!
[01:05] <mjr> xiaogil, (though if there is, iconv/recode might want to support it anyway)
[01:05] <cyphase> you won't believe what i heard on the radio!
[01:05] <cthulfuego> pestilence: Not reboot, just exit.
[01:05] <LinuxJones> r3d0xXuS``, I suggest you do a re-install (fixing it might scare you away). Don't forget your password on this install :)
[01:05] <cthulfuego> pestilence: it will then constinue booting up as epr normal.
[01:05] <djm62> fabio: I think your CMS is unsure what its directory is
[01:05] <pestilence> cthulfuego: will that continue the boot process
[01:05] <pestilence> cthulfuego: ah.
[01:05] <r3d0xXuS``> ok ill try pestilence
[01:05] <bobbyd> anto9us: that's a bit of a overhead for just doing something simple...
[01:05] <cthulfuego> pestilence: (saves time ;-)
[01:05] <cyphase> Microsoft has found security problems in Windows and Internet Explorer!!!
[01:06] <lsuactiafner> bobbyd : heh, put the command in a script and sudo script
[01:06] <cyphase> oh my!
[01:06] <cyphase> lol
[01:06] <djm62> cyphase: well, that's everyone found one then
[01:06] <anto9us> bobbyd: run it from a root terminal then
[01:06] <xiaogil> mjr: perhaps i should add an option to iconv/recode to make it work (?)
[01:06] <pfp> bobbyd: sudo sh -c "for .... done"
[01:06] <lsuactiafner> i do.. for x in *.ppm; do foo=$(echo $x | sed -e 's:pict::' -e 's:\.ppm::'); convert $x pict${foo}.jpg; done
[01:07] <lsuactiafner> putting in a script_file will also work nicely... i think.
[01:07] <fabio> djm62, yes, what I was thinking ;P
[01:07] <r3d0xXuS``> hm :xs
[01:07] <r3d0xXuS``> waiting :o
[01:08] <r3d0xXuS``> i hope i like linux more then windows xp :x
[01:08] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: What do you use your computer for?
[01:08] <ampersand> Ubuntu's probably one of the best distributions to choose when coming from windows (:
[01:08] <r3d0xXuS``> learning programming :o
[01:08] <Jester> it depends if you're a geek or not
[01:08] <r3d0xXuS``> unknown user ?! wtf
[01:08] <r3d0xXuS``> pestilence ?!
[01:08] <djm62> r3d0xXuS``: give it a fair swing...it can be pretty comfortable
[01:09] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: cat /etc/passwd
[01:09] <r3d0xXuS``> how i list usernames which one registered
[01:09] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: Then yes, although you should keep in mind there aren't really any point-and-click GUI dev tools
[01:09] <r3d0xXuS``> but it said : root@server1: passwd server1
[01:09] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: 'getent passwd'
[01:09] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: Did you create a user called 'server1' ?
[01:10] <djm62> monodevelop, glade excepted
[01:10] <r3d0xXuS``> and it said back: unknown user server1
[01:10] <r3d0xXuS``> yeah
[01:10] <djm62> and that KDE one
[01:10] <r3d0xXuS``> im in recovery mode
[01:10] <djm62> eclipse
[01:10] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: Does 'getent passwd' list the user 'server1' ?
[01:10] <r3d0xXuS``> wait
[01:10] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: What does 'grep 1000 /etc/passwd' say?
[01:11] <r3d0xXuS``> lol a lot of lists
[01:11] <r3d0xXuS``> cant fint them lol
[01:11] <r3d0xXuS``> find*
[01:11] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: paste the results from 'grep 1000 /etc/passwd' here.
[01:11] <pestilence> should be 1 line.
[01:11] <r3d0xXuS``> im on another pc :x
[01:11] <anto9us> pythoncard is a good point and click development tool
[01:11] <pestilence> well then type it here.
[01:11] <djm62> r3d0xXuS``:  you should get one line out
[01:11] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: Does that command print one line?
[01:12] <cthulfuego> anto9us: Don't get me started on python ;-)
[01:12] <r3d0xXuS``> should i write grep 1000 /etc/passwd into command?
[01:12] <stacey> How do I fix my version in firefox?
[01:12] <djm62> r3d0xXuS``: grep home /etc/passwd
[01:12] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: yep
[01:12] <anto9us> cthulfuego: do you like/not like python?
[01:12] <cthulfuego> stacey: How is your version in firefox broken?
[01:12] <cthulfuego> anto9us: nup
[01:13] <r3d0xXuS``> /home/server1:/bin/bash
[01:13] <ubuntu> hi again
[01:13] <stacey> when i go to get extensions from mozilla website
[01:13] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: Does that line start with server1: ?
[01:13] <cyphase> we know stacey
[01:13] <Miks> how could i change my gnome language?
[01:13] <r3d0xXuS``> no
[01:13] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: What does it start with?
[01:13] <r3d0xXuS``> it said: /home/server1:/bin/bash
[01:13] <xiaogil> Is there a way to open any HTML file (with a browser, or something else) and to export it into UTF-8 ?
[01:14] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: Ok. let's fix this problem with a hammer.
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> HTML2text or something..
[01:14] <anto9us> cthulfuego: what's your prefered programming language?
[01:14] <stacey> how do i fix the problem
[01:14] <lsuactiafner> html2text
[01:14] <cthulfuego> anto9us: C
[01:14] <anto9us> cthulfuego: what do you think to c++?
[01:15] <djm62> stacey: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/upgrade/
[01:15] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: What does 'tail -n1 /etc/shadow' print out? ANything containinng 'server1' ?
[01:15] <r3d0xXuS``> wait
[01:15] <cthulfuego> anto9us: fork in eyeball
[01:15] <stacey> djm62, wrong
[01:15] <anto9us> hehe
[01:15] <Jester> is ubuntu the best distro for non-geeks in your humble opinions ?
[01:15] <magoo> hi! how do i add stuff (dirs) to the places menu in gnome?
[01:15] <stacey> my brother told me i had to change something in about:config
[01:15] <lsuactiafner> Jester : i imagine is it..
[01:15] <stacey> but i forgot
[01:15] <mjr> Jester, yes
[01:15] <Burgundavia> Jester, I think it is
[01:15] <r3d0xXuS``> cthulfuego: gdm:!:12949:0:99999:7:::
[01:15] <djm62> stacey: that's the one
[01:15] <ubuntu> yes
[01:16] <ubuntu> but im a geek
[01:16] <djm62> stacey: follow the "you seem to be using ubuntu" link
[01:16] <Jester> ok thx
[01:16] <ubuntu> it is veerry noob friendly and a great transision from windows
[01:16] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: Does it show anything when you type 'grep server1 /etc/shadow' ?
[01:16] <r3d0xXuS``> moment
[01:16] <pfp> stacey: you should change 'version' in 'about:config' probably
[01:16] <djm62> stacey: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10681#c3
[01:16] <r3d0xXuS``> nothing
[01:16] <r3d0xXuS``> cthulfuego: nothing
[01:16] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: Ok.
[01:17] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: run 'nano /etc/passwd' and delete the entire line containing /home/server1. take EXTREME CARE to not delete anything else.
[01:18] <r3d0xXuS``> ok what i should do
[01:18] <r3d0xXuS``> there is a list
[01:18] <r3d0xXuS``> with root and daemon and so going on
[01:18] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: Just use the arrow keys to scroll down and delete the line with server1
[01:19] <r3d0xXuS``> there is a line: server1:x:1000:1000:server1,,,:/home/server1:/bin/bash
[01:19] <pestilence> hahaha
[01:19] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: Yes, delete it.
[01:19] <r3d0xXuS``> ok deleted
[01:19] <r3d0xXuS``> what now?
[01:19] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: Save the file.
[01:19] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: ... and quite nano.
[01:20] <r3d0xXuS``> what button
[01:20] <cthulfuego> quit, too.
[01:20] <r3d0xXuS``> to save
[01:20] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: ctrl-x, then 'y'
[01:20] <r3d0xXuS``> ok
[01:20] <r3d0xXuS``> how quit nano
[01:20] <djm62> r3d0xXuS``: that was both
[01:20] <r3d0xXuS``> ah
[01:20] <r3d0xXuS``> there its promt
[01:20] <r3d0xXuS``> so what now
[01:20] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: Cool. Now type 'adduser server1'
[01:21] <Eudoxus> Why does my internet suddenly get so slow from time to time? For example, when I load webpages, I get a delay time first before the page is displayed. This never happened in Win, so it must be some setting within Linux. Any ideas?
[01:21] <djm62> Eudoxus: any particular culprits?
[01:21] <r3d0xXuS``> lol
[01:21] <cthulfuego> Yeah, I have ideas, but I'll need twenty badgers and a jar of vaseline!
[01:21] <r3d0xXuS``> fullname r\r/^[[D and so
[01:22] <r3d0xXuS``> how delete ?!
[01:22] <Eudoxus> what is a cluprit?
[01:22] <Eudoxus> No
[01:22] <Eudoxus> it happens on all pages
[01:22] <bobbyd> does anyone here have symlinks working with apache under ubuntu? The default apache config has FollowwSymLinks set for /var/www but it's not working
[01:22] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: ctrl-u
[01:22] <Eudoxus> even on irc. took me delay to join this channel
[01:22] <r3d0xXuS``> it come: ^U ^U ^U
[01:22] <Shachaf> Eudoxus: Try http://www.tweakfactor.com/articles/tweaks/firefoxtweak/4.html
[01:22] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: ctrl-\
[01:22] <Eudoxus> Shachaf, it's not just firefox :S
[01:22] <r3d0xXuS``> nothing
[01:22] <cthulfuego> bobbyd: FollowwSymLinks or FollowSymLinks ?
[01:22] <Eudoxus> It's the console to
[01:22] <djm62> Eudoxus: has anything else changed? that doesn't sound like a linux thing
[01:22] <Eudoxus> irc
[01:23] <srbaker_> yo
[01:23] <Shachaf> Eudoxus: Oh.
[01:23] <r3d0xXuS``> i have U.S. Keyboard even DE keyboard
[01:23] <Eudoxus> even when I ssh to some server
[01:23] <Eudoxus> everything is slow
[01:23] <srbaker_> how do i get discover to re-scan for my sound card?
[01:23] <Eudoxus> But it gets fixed sometimes when I reboot
[01:23] <Shachaf> Eudoxus: Never mind, then.
[01:23] <bobbyd> cthulfuego: the correct one, it's set by default
[01:23] <LinuxJones> Eudoxus, it's probably ipv6.
[01:23] <Eudoxus> Sometimes it happens and sometimes not. But it seems it doesn't get fixed until I reboot
[01:23] <bobbyd> cthulfuego: in 000-default
[01:23] <Eudoxus> LinuxJones, hmm
[01:23] <Eudoxus> eh?
[01:23] <LinuxJones> Eudoxus, you use firefox ?
[01:23] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: ctrl-c ?
[01:23] <Eudoxus> yes I do
[01:23] <srbaker_> anyone?
[01:24] <LinuxJones> Eudoxus, ok hit ctrl+t to open a new tab
[01:24] <Eudoxus> but this doesn't happen only in firefox like I said
[01:24] <r3d0xXuS``> its abborted @ cthulfuego
[01:24] <srbaker_> i changed sund cards and sound isn't working.  although it seems to be detected fnie
[01:24] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: Ok, start again and don't typo this time.
[01:24] <r3d0xXuS``> ok lol
[01:24] <Eudoxus> ok
[01:24] <Eudoxus> done
[01:24] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: 'adduser server1'
[01:24] <LinuxJones> Eudoxus, type in about:config
[01:24] <r3d0xXuS``> the user "server1" already sxists
[01:24] <r3d0xXuS``> exists
[01:24] <r3d0xXuS``> again nano ?
[01:24] <r3d0xXuS``> :o
[01:25] <Eudoxus> LinuxJones, done
[01:25] <LinuxJones> Eudoxus, in the filter box type ipv6
[01:25] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: passwd server1
[01:25] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: nano /etc/shadow, delete the 'server1' line.
[01:25] <r3d0xXuS``> ok
[01:25] <r3d0xXuS``> updated
[01:25] <cthulfuego> pestilence: no, coz it ONLY has a shadow entry now.
[01:25] <Eudoxus> done
[01:25] <r3d0xXuS``> pw is updated
[01:25] <r3d0xXuS``> should i reboot now @ cthulfuego
[01:25] <Eudoxus> status = default, type = boolean, value = false
[01:25] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: That's peculiar.
[01:25] <Eudoxus> that's what it is
[01:25] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: Can you type 'su - server1' ?
[01:25] <LinuxJones> Eudoxus, double click the line so it says True in the 'value' section at the end of the line
[01:25] <r3d0xXuS``> lol its rebooting :o
[01:25] <r3d0xXuS``> wait :P
[01:26] <Eudoxus> done
[01:26] <Eudoxus> do I need to reboot now?
[01:26] <igor47> hey.  how do i set up an hpoj printer?  i have hpoj running with the printer detected, but i'm not sure what i should do now...
[01:26] <LinuxJones> Eudoxus, restart FF
[01:26] <Eudoxus> how does this change anything away from firefox?
[01:26] <LinuxJones> Eudoxus, jsut close it down and restart
[01:26] <Eudoxus> ok
[01:27] <LinuxJones> Eudoxus, it jsut disables a useless feature for most users yoyu will notice no difference except faster webbrowsing ... hopefully :)
[01:27] <Eudoxus> still the abnormal delays
[01:27] <anto9us> Eudoxus: does it seem to delay while looking up address?
[01:27] <Eudoxus> anto9us, yea when it says Connecting to <some page>
[01:27] <pestilence> Eudoxus: go to a command prompt and type "dig www.ubuntuguide.org"
[01:28] <LinuxJones> Eudoxus, you have to close firefox down all of you firefox windows first
[01:28] <Eudoxus> pestilence, ok one sec
[01:28] <r3d0xXuS``> yay it works @ cthulfuego
[01:28] <r3d0xXuS``> thx
[01:28] <anto9us> Eudoxus: the delay is before or after it says connecting?
[01:28] <Eudoxus> LinuxJones, I did
[01:28] <pestilence> paste at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:28] <synd> !flood
[01:28] <ubotu> I guess flood is Head for the hills the flood has come! please use http://pastebin.com , http://ubuntu.pastebin.com or #flood here on freenode.
[01:28] <Eudoxus> anto9us, while it is connecting
[01:28] <Eudoxus> but then after transfer comes, it seems smooth
[01:28] <LeeColleton> i'm having trouble with iaxcomm in ubuntu.  no audio is sent
[01:28] <r3d0xXuS``> WTF
[01:29] <r3d0xXuS``> cthulfuego !!!
[01:29] <pestilence> synd: was that directed at me?
[01:29] <synd> pestilence: no
[01:29] <synd> pestilence: just seeing what ubotu had under flood
[01:29] <pestilence> ah
[01:29] <synd> ubotu forget flood
[01:29] <ubotu> i forgot flood, synd
[01:29] <r3d0xXuS``> cthulfuego i need ur help :x
[01:29] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: just ask your question
[01:30] <Eudoxus> so, no ideas?
[01:30] <anto9us> Eudoxus: so address resolution is quick and transfer is quick but the bit in between isn't, right?
[01:30] <pestilence> Eudoxus: what was the result of that command?
[01:30] <djm62> r3d0xXuS``: what's up?
[01:30] <Eudoxus> ;; Query time: 1003 msec
[01:30] <pestilence> Eudoxus: that's a problem
[01:30] <r3d0xXuS``> cant start my username :x it said: there is no a homedir for server1 do u want contiune? i pressed yes and it said: u were not longer then 10 seconds on your session. this will stop now and please debug this error
[01:30] <r3d0xXuS``> cthulfuego
[01:31] <pestilence> Eudoxus: that's almost certainly your problem.
[01:31] <r3d0xXuS``> now im in Terminal @ cthulfuego
[01:31] <pestilence> Eudoxus: perhaps you need to figure out what should be in /etc/resolv.conf and fix that.
[01:31] <djm62> r3d0xXuS``: not a problem...press ctrl-alt-f1
[01:31] <synd> !flood is for pasting, please use http://pastebin.com , http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or #flood here on freenode.
[01:31] <ubotu> synd: okay
[01:31] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: you need to go back into recovery mode and mkdir /home/server1
[01:32] <Eudoxus> hmmmm. how in name am I gonna find that out?
[01:32] <djm62> pestilence: does he need to if he can log in on console and is in sudoers?
[01:32] <r3d0xXuS``> it said: NO DIRECTORY, LOGGING IN WITH HOME @ djm62
[01:32] <pestilence> djm62: i doubt that he is in sudoers, but it's worth a shot i guess.
[01:33] <djm62> r3d0xXuS``: on ctrl-alt-f1? cool, then you type sudo -s and type server1's passwd
[01:33] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: Is there a /home/server1? What are the permissions on /home/server1 ?
[01:33] <pestilence> Eudoxus: i'm not sure where windows keeps its information on domain name servers, but you could compare with that if windows is getting the correct ones.
[01:33] <r3d0xXuS``> server1 is not in the suedoers file. this incident will be reported @ djm62
[01:34] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: reboot into recovery mode
[01:34] <djm62> sh*te
[01:34] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: you are getting there.
[01:34] <Eudoxus> pestilence, I will try
[01:34] <r3d0xXuS``> lol i cant reboot
[01:34] <r3d0xXuS``> it said: reboot: must be a superuser
[01:34] <pestilence> sure you can.  hit the power button
[01:34] <cthulfuego> r3d0xXuS``: Yes you can. Hit the reset button on the case.
[01:34] <r3d0xXuS``> lol ok lol
[01:34] <djm62> r3d0xXuS``: yeah, recovery it is...if necessary hit the power button and start up
[01:34] <r3d0xXuS``> ah
[01:34] <Eudoxus> pestilence, I could also try and reboot until I get it fast again (it runs fine sometimes) and check resolv.conf then
[01:34] <r3d0xXuS``> there
[01:34] <r3d0xXuS``> lol
[01:34] <r3d0xXuS``> :D
[01:35] <pestilence> Eudoxus: are you behind a router?
[01:35] <anto9us> Eudoxus: underneath query time what was the Server adress?
[01:35] <Eudoxus> pestilence, nope
[01:35] <jargon_> which runlevel is multi-user w/o X , ? is it 3 ?
[01:35] <pestilence> Eudoxus: do you use dhcp?
[01:35] <magoo> hey. smeg is nice. is there a way to customize the places and system gnome menus as well? any ideas?
[01:35] <djm62> jargon_: this isn't redhat
[01:35] <cthulfuego> jargon_: There isn't one, if you have a dm installed.
[01:35] <cthulfuego> djm62: s/redhat/any sane linux distro/   ;-)
[01:35] <djm62> jargon_: you can do /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:35] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: first things first.  type "visudo"
[01:35] <Eudoxus> anto9us, 130.208.165.82#53(130.208.165.82)
[01:36] <r3d0xXuS``> wait
[01:36] <Eudoxus> pestilence, yes I use dhcp
[01:36] <Funraiser> Daniel Robbins, founder and chief architect of the Gentoo distribution is now working for microsoft...:-s
[01:36] <jargon_> djm62, oh ok , thanks
[01:36] <r3d0xXuS``> ok pestilence?
[01:36] <r3d0xXuS``> Terminal or Gnome recovery mode?
[01:36] <djm62> cthulfuego: the 1 runlevel thing makes more sense on a desktop...which is why it's odd debian came up with it
[01:36] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: now make sure that there is a line in there that says "server1 ALL=(ALL) ALL"
[01:36] <anto9us> Eudoxus: I get a good response time from that, around 90ms
[01:37] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: terminal.
[01:37] <djm62> jargon_: I presume you can guess how to restart X ;)
[01:37] <r3d0xXuS``> PERMISSION DENIED
[01:37] <Eudoxus> Yes it's strange
[01:37] <Eudoxus> It is not an problem that happens always.
[01:37] <Jester> Funraiser, thats impossible
[01:37] <Jester> Funraiser, gimme a link
[01:38] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: you hit escape and selected "recovery mode" from the grub menu?  just like last time?
[01:38] <djm62> r3d0xXuS``: are you in recovery mode?
[01:38] <Funraiser> really?
[01:38] <jargon_> djm62, yeah, i'm fine w/ that , thrown off w/ the inittab file saying 2-5 are all multi-user
[01:38] <Funraiser> hold on
[01:38] <r3d0xXuS``> yeah
[01:38] <Funraiser> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/14/_microsoft_gentoo/
[01:38] <matt__> Why is this coming up
[01:38] <matt__> matt@ubuntu:~$ fglrxinfo Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[01:38] <matt__> display: :0.0  screen: 0
[01:38] <matt__> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
[01:38] <matt__> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
[01:38] <matt__> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.2.1)
[01:38] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: that should dump you at a console, no questions asked
[01:38] <Jester> Funraiser, as a long time gentoo user its hard for me to believe =O
[01:38] <matt__> I have tryed everything
[01:38] <pestilence> matt__: don't paste here.
[01:38] <matt__> I installed the ati drivers
[01:38] <matt__> sorry
[01:38] <Eudoxus> Wait I'm going to try to reboot and see if it gets ok again
[01:39] <Eudoxus> pestilence, anto9us brb mates
[01:39] <pestilence> Eudoxus: before you do
[01:39] <Eudoxus> gonna reboot and see if it fixes
[01:39] <pestilence> Eudoxus: cat /etc/resolv.conf
[01:39] <Eudoxus> ok
[01:39] <djm62> r3d0xXuS``: if gnome is up, you're not in recovery mode
[01:39] <pestilence> Eudoxus: and note what is in it
[01:39] <r3d0xXuS``> i know
[01:39] <Eudoxus> yea and?
[01:39] <matt__> can someone help me get this video card working plesae
[01:39] <Eudoxus> ah ok
[01:39] <Eudoxus> I will
[01:40] <r3d0xXuS``> ah now im in
[01:40] <LinuxJones> matt__, Does this command output anything >> lsmod | grep fglrx
[01:40] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: now type "visudo"
[01:40] <r3d0xXuS``> pestilence im hin
[01:40] <r3d0xXuS``> pestilence: root ALL=(ALL) ALL
[01:40] <Funraiser> want more? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/14/_microsoft_gentoo/
[01:40] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: make sure that there is a line in there that says "server1 ALL=(ALL) ALL"
[01:40] <Eudoxus> brb mates
[01:40] <matt__> fglrx                 238208  0
[01:40] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: change root to server1
[01:40] <r3d0xXuS``> ok
[01:40] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: actually, just copy that line
[01:41] <r3d0xXuS``> ok
[01:41] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: don't change it
[01:41] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: and change the copied line to server1
[01:41] <LinuxJones> matt__, did you edit the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[01:41] <matt__> what do I edit
[01:41] <r3d0xXuS``> ok
[01:41] <r3d0xXuS``> did
[01:41] <r3d0xXuS``> reboot?
[01:41] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: not yet
[01:41] <djm62> r3d0xXuS``: give yourself a home directory
[01:41] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: now type mkdir /home/server1
[01:41] <LinuxJones> matt__, it's on the binary howto you have to follow all of those steps
[01:42] <pestilence> r3d0xXuS``: and then chown server1:server1 /home/server1
[01:42] <matt__> this page http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24557.html
[01:42] <r3d0xXuS``> chown: cannot access "home/server1": No Such file or directory
[01:42] <pestilence> you forgot the trailing /
[01:42] <r3d0xXuS``> ah
[01:42] <r3d0xXuS``> lol
[01:42] <pestilence> err leading /
[01:43] <djm62> r3d0xXuS``: the / before home
[01:43] <LinuxJones> matt__, Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change "ati" to "fglrx"
[01:43] <matt__> LinuxJones: whats the site
[01:43] <Eudoxus> Okay, it's working smooth again. Now let me compare the resolv.conf
[01:43] <r3d0xXuS``> cannot create directory "/home/server1" file exists
[01:43] <Eudoxus> Very strange
[01:43] <Eudoxus> exactly same output
[01:43] <LinuxJones> matt__, Follow the Hoary instructions >> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:43] <Eudoxus> must be something else then
[01:44] <djm62> r3d0xXuS``: that's cool, just chown server1:server1 /home/server1
[01:44] <pestilence> Eudoxus: so try "dig www.whitehouse.gov"
[01:44] <Eudoxus> Okay one sec
[01:44] <r3d0xXuS``> ok
[01:44] <r3d0xXuS``> then?
[01:44] <Eudoxus> ;; Query time: 148 msec
[01:44] <djm62> r3d0xXuS``: reboot...
[01:44] <r3d0xXuS``> ok
[01:44] <r3d0xXuS``> rebooting
[01:44] <r3d0xXuS``> :o
[01:45] <r3d0xXuS``> ill hope it works nu :x
[01:45] <Eudoxus> I don't know if that's supposed to be bad. But I can tell you that everything is running smoothly atm
[01:45] <djm62> r3d0xXuS``: you should be safe...an interesting start to using linux ;)
[01:45] <anto9us> Eudoxus: that's not bad
[01:45] <Eudoxus> what was the number earlier?
[01:46] <r3d0xXuS``> :o
[01:46] <r3d0xXuS``> sure :D
[01:46] <anto9us> Eudoxus: 1003 I think
[01:46] <Eudoxus> ah ok
[01:46] <r3d0xXuS``> ok ill check nu
[01:46] <Eudoxus> yea.
[01:46] <Eudoxus> So. Now I have no idea what to do
[01:46] <Eudoxus> brb, toilet. but you keep giving ideas. I'll brb
[01:46] <pestilence> Eudoxus: that's a decent time.
[01:47] <Funraiser> Jester, sucks huh?
[01:47] <r3d0xXuS``> yahoo
[01:47] <r3d0xXuS``> it works
[01:47] <r3d0xXuS``> :D
[01:47] <r3d0xXuS``> thanx ppls
[01:48] <Jester> Funraiser, yeah that sux indeed
[01:48] <Jester> theyre not talking about it much in #gentoo tho
[01:49] <djm62> doesn't necessarily suck....if MS starts using GNU/linux type stuff, all the patentable stuff is already prior art
[01:50] <Eudoxus> ok back
[01:50] <pestilence> microsoft can have all the gentoo devs they want, just leave the debian/ubuntu devs alone :)
[01:51] <cyphase> lol
[01:51] <D1> does anyone know the name of the graphical rc.d editor (gtk2)?
[01:52] <D1> sorry, didn't register my nick....does anyone know the name of the graphical rc.d editor (gtk2)?
[01:52] <Razor-X> D1: rc.d?
[01:52] <D1> runlevels
[01:53] <Fr0Gs> hey all
[01:53] <Fr0Gs> :)
[01:53] <Razor-X> D1: ohhh!
[01:53] <D1> its not the console one
[01:53] <D1> its an actual gtk2 app
[01:53] <Razor-X> I only use teh console, sorry ;)
[01:53] <Razor-X> *the
[01:53] <Fr0Gs> how can i change a ntfs into a linux drive that ubuntu will read
[01:53] <pestilence> Fr0Gs: ubuntu can read ntfs drives
[01:53] <Razor-X> FrOGs: I don't think you can do that and save all the data
[01:53] <pestilence> Fr0Gs: it just can't write to them.
[01:53] <Razor-X> but, as pestilence just said, you can read NTFS partitions
[01:54] <Eudoxus> pestilence, no ideas?
[01:54] <Funraiser> the founder of the gnome project also applied for a job at windblows but he didn't get it, i think that's the worse that can happen to someone, not being accepted by the ennemy...lol
[01:54] <Xenguy> Fr0Gs: maybe partitionmagic can do it?
[01:54] <pestilence> Eudoxus: it sounds a little more complicated now ...
[01:54] <Fr0Gs> pestilence how would i format it into it
[01:54] <Fr0Gs> i dont like partion magic
[01:54] <Fr0Gs> is there anyway to do it
[01:54] <Xenguy> Funraiser: yeah, and if it hasn't been mentioned already, one of the Gentoo founders just got a job w/ M$
[01:55] <Razor-X> Fr0Gs: you mean, format as in erase-all-data?
[01:55] <Fr0Gs> yes
[01:55] <pestilence> Fr0Gs: i don't understand your question.  you have a ntfs partition, and you want to read it in linux, right?
[01:55] <Razor-X> Xenguy: o_O
[01:55] <Funraiser> Xenguy, just mentioned
[01:55] <Razor-X> traitor!
[01:55] <djm62> Funraiser: if they're paying guys to work on GPL software, they aren't the enemy
[01:55] <Razor-X> did you hear what Microsoft is doing?
[01:55] <Xenguy> Funraiser Razor-X sorry, just popped in
[01:55] <Fr0Gs> pestilence, i want to format it into a linux drive
[01:55] <Razor-X> they're upholding censorship in China
[01:55] <Funraiser> djm62, u think microsoft works on GPL stuff?
[01:55] <Razor-X> those b*stards
[01:55] <anto9us> microsoft is engaging in damage limitation now, it knows that the flow of opensource is unstoppable, not even software patent law can stop it, unpopular laws, cease to be laws in good democracies
[01:55] <pestilence> Fr0Gs: without saving any data, or making it readable from windows, right?
[01:56] <eruin> what's needed to view windows networks?
[01:56] <djm62> Funraiser: I see no reason why they shouldn't
[01:56] <Razor-X> FrOGs: you want to wipe all the data and use it for Linux?
[01:56] <Fr0Gs> pestilence, i want it so windows can not read it but only linux can read it
[01:56] <pestilence> eruin: samba
[01:56] <Fr0Gs> yes Razor-X
[01:56] <Razor-X> djm62: do you _really_ think M$ would support OSS?
[01:56] <Razor-X> Fr0Gs: QTparted is your man
[01:56] <pestilence> Fr0Gs: then you need to repartition and reformat that partition.
[01:57] <Eudoxus> ok got to sleep now
[01:57] <pestilence> Fr0Gs: try using cfdisk
[01:57] <Eudoxus> later gators
[01:57] <Eudoxus> l8er g8ers
[01:57] <pestilence> Fr0Gs: but be careful.
[01:57] <Funraiser> djm62, i see a reason: on the first 5 rules of bill gate's business rules it says: secure the rights of your products
[01:57] <DeFi> do you _really_ think M$ would support OSS?  -->  If the make money off it
[01:57] <Razor-X> pestilence: you're reccomending cfdisk? ;)
[01:57] <djm62> I see no reason why MS won't want to share in the profit from OSS
[01:57] <Fr0Gs> is QTparted for linux
[01:57] <Razor-X> I would use it, yes, but.... others? ;)
[01:57] <Razor-X> Fr0Gs: of course
[01:57] <eruin> pestilence, I've got it running, I've set up a share from this computer andstill can't see it in gnome's windows networkbrowser :o
[01:57] <pestilence> Razor-X: then suggest something better.  i like cfdisk :)
[01:57] <Razor-X> DeFi: well, the nature of _most_ open-source utilities are contrary to the money-making ideal
[01:58] <DeFi> Of course
[01:58] <DeFi> but m$ will find a way
[01:58] <Razor-X> pestilence: I use cfdisk meself, but QTParted better for the person not liking Command Line
[01:58] <Funraiser> i'm pretty sure microsoft's move toward OSS is just a stab in the back...we will see...
[01:58] <LinuxJones> Guys please take the Microsoft discussion to off-topic
[01:58] <Fr0Gs> thanks :)
[01:58] <thenewlax> how do i register telent with firefox?
[01:58] <Razor-X> pestilence; by the way, do you mind viewing my draft for a Command-Line guide for the beginner?
[01:58] <anto9us> Razor-X: not true, they're contrary to the monopolisation ideal
[01:58] <Fr0Gs> oh and if anyones having problems with ati drivers go back to Ubuntu 4.10 its easier
[01:58] <pestilence> Razor-X: got a url?
[01:58] <Razor-X> anto9us: what I meant was, the nature of most licenses are meant to keep freedom
[01:59] <Razor-X> pestilence: yeah, only 1 chapter is made insofar, though
[01:59] <Razor-X> http://www.sosdg.org/~razorx/CLI.pdf
[01:59] <Razor-X> I have the framework for the rest
[01:59] <anto9us> Razor-X: yes, freedom as in speech but not necessarily beer
[01:59] <thenewlax> how do i register telent with firefox on ubuntu?
[01:59] <Razor-X> anto9us: errrr, freedom don't know where the word came
[01:59] <thenewlax> can i even?
[02:00] <pfp> hmm... i'd like to report a bug in gimp-dimage-color (from universe), but i can't find the pkg in bugzilla - what am i missing?
[02:01] <Funraiser> well my  mom (58 years old)  is using linux now so there is hope somewhere
[02:01] <Razor-X> what I meant was, most open licenses are weighted towards the free value of a software, comparitive to it's freedom as-in-speech
[02:01] <djm62> free as in jackson, not free as in pr0n
[02:01] <Razor-X> but, i'm not denying that there are open licenses that also allow you to profit
[02:01] <thenewlax> how do i register telent proticol with firefox on ubuntu??
[02:01] <Razor-X> the fact of the matter is, i'm not that much fo an open-source advocate, rather a free-as-in-beer advocate ;)
[02:02] <anto9us> Razor-X: both are good ;)
[02:02] <Razor-X> *of
[02:02] <djm62> Razor-X: remember, the value of software is largely psychological
[02:02] <Razor-X> djm62: I know ;)
[02:02] <pestilence> Razor-X: seems it is still in very early stages ;)
[02:02] <Razor-X> pestilence: obviously ;)
[02:02] <pestilence> Razor-X: you might want to check tldp.org for something similar...
[02:02] <Razor-X> pestilence: this is aimed more for the Ubuntu user
[02:02] <Razor-X> at the moment, it has nothing Ubuntu specific, but it will
[02:02] <djm62> Razor-X: MS could release SuSe with a 4-coloured square flag and it would walk off the shelf, as long as they keep the copyright on that one thing
[02:02] <Razor-X> i'll write a section on deb package managers too
[02:02] <eruin> are there any ftp servers with graphical config tools?
[02:02] <thenewlax> how do i register telent proticol with firefox on ubuntu??
[02:02] <pestilence> seems like a good thing to have around.
[02:03] <Razor-X> pestilence: heh, cool
[02:03] <Razor-X> as you can tell, it's all LaTeX
[02:03] <thenewlax> how do i register telent proticol with firefox on ubuntu??
[02:03] <Razor-X> djm62: yeah, I know
[02:03] <Razor-X> thenewlax: as the numerous Firefox users on the channel, which I am not one
[02:03] <pinko> me either.
[02:04] <djm62> Razor-X: that's powerful, and it's the way nike works, the way motorola works, largely the way apple is now working
[02:04] <Razor-X> but, my number one rule is this: Commercial software counts as 1 point, Open-Source as 2, Free-as-in-beer 3, Good Functionality 6
[02:04] <thenewlax> does anyone use frieken firefox?
[02:04] <thenewlax> anyone have any information on how to get telnet with it?
[02:04] <Razor-X> djm62: that's one of the reasons I don't like Apple
[02:04] <Razor-X> thenewlax: can't you telnet yourself? it's not that thard
[02:04] <LinuxJones> thenewlax, nobody uses telnet they use ssh
[02:04] <Razor-X> *hard
[02:05] <Razor-X> LinuxJones: don't confuse the man ;)
[02:05] <thenewlax> if i kewn how WHY WHOULD I ASK
[02:05] <thenewlax> can someone just help me out
[02:05] <djm62> must sleep... Razor-X, it's never good to be tilting against windmills (or windows)
[02:06] <pfp> thenewlax: you can just type 'telnet ser.ver.com' in a terminal, yes?
[02:06] <tony__> Hello, how do I install deb packages?
[02:06] <thenewlax> idn can i?
[02:06] <Razor-X> thenewlax: telnet ipa.ddr.ess
[02:07] <pfp> tony__: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[02:07] <dedalus> hi
[02:07] <dedalus> i need help
[02:07] <dedalus> with a tvout
[02:08] <Razor-X> dedalus: then you've come to the right place, only, I don't know anything about a TVout ;)
[02:08] <dedalus> i only have a tv plugged on the computer with ubuntu
[02:08] <dedalus> arf
[02:08] <dedalus> i thought maybe you had a good howto
[02:08] <zyiro> dedalus what kind of card do you have?
[02:08] <dedalus> mx5200
[02:09] <dedalus> nvidia
[02:09] <zyiro> use this link it worked for me its alot to explain on irc
[02:09] <zyiro> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=23628
[02:10] <zyiro> i have the same card and i have a mx420 it worked for both
[02:11] <dedalus> and you have only the tv plugged on the card ??
[02:11] <zyiro> no i have both
[02:11] <dedalus> i think that's the problem
[02:11] <dedalus> but i'm gonna try this
[02:11] <Funraiser> new saying: tell me which distro you are using and I'll tell you who you are
[02:11] <zyiro> are wanting to use only the TV?
[02:11] <dedalus> thanx
[02:12] <dedalus> zyiro yes
[02:12] <dedalus> cause i want to use the display only for movies
[02:12] <zyiro> ohokay
[02:12] <dedalus> else i only need it as apache server
[02:12] <dedalus> so no need to display
[02:12] <zyiro> that link should work
[02:13] <dedalus> ok i'm gonna try
[02:13] <LeeColleton> exit
[02:15] <moparfan90> im burning the ubuntu CD now. im going to install it soon. does anyone have some tips or tricks for me
[02:15] <dicrapio> hello
[02:15] <Xenguy> moparfan90: read and read ;-)
[02:15] <moparfan90> hi
[02:15] <_cds> I'm trying to install ubuntu on my laptop
[02:16] <hugos> Hi. I have installed the Ubuntu base system.. now I would like to install X... which packets do I need?
[02:16] <moparfan90> whats X
[02:16] <_cds> but it keeps on looping when installing?
[02:16] <dicrapio> is there a db to check if a certain pcmcia card would work in ubuntu or linux in general?
[02:16] <utama> any body have some reading material for VPN?... tried some from google but nothing works
[02:16] <Xenguy> moparfan90: X is linux's graphical/GUI component
[02:17] <moparfan90> o. doesn't that install when the os does??
[02:17] <pinko> I didn't think ubuntu let you install without X
[02:17] <moparfan90> 65% :D
[02:17] <tritium> utama, vpnc is a great vpn client, compatible with Cisco VPNs
[02:17] <hugos> pinko, It does!
[02:17] <tritium> hugos, X should have been installed, otherwise your installation went awry
[02:18] <moparfan90> im using SuSe. is ubuntu more or less advanced then suse linux?????????
[02:18] <utama> tritium: VPNC? .... thanks i try to find it... i was using pptpd but its not working correctly
[02:18] <tritium> utama, it's in universe
[02:18] <Burgundavia> moparfan90, there are a lot more applications for ubuntu than for suse
[02:18] <moparfan90> ok. good
[02:19] <moparfan90> whats your fav. program for ubuntu?
[02:19] <moparfan90> everyone
[02:19] <cyphase> lol
[02:19] <cyphase> there are to many to choose from
[02:19] <`psych0> synaptic
[02:19] <`psych0> <3
[02:19] <moparfan90> well what do you use the most
[02:19] <cyphase> ah, synaptic is good
[02:19] <cyphase> and firefox
[02:19] <cyphase> and gaim
[02:19] <cyphase> and
[02:19] <cyphase> and
[02:19] <cyphase> and
[02:19] <moparfan90> yea firefox is great
[02:19] <`psych0> lol
[02:19] <tritium> moparfan90, that depends on the type of work I'm doing...
[02:19] <pfp> xterm ...
[02:20] <moparfan90> xterm... use konsole
[02:20] <_cds> anyone know why the install is loopin#g on nic-extra-modules ?
[02:20] <utama> x-chat ...lol
[02:20] <moparfan90> 100%
[02:20] <moparfan90> yey
[02:20] <pinko> favorite program?  no idea.
[02:20] <Razor-X> woaha!
[02:20] <cyphase> wow again
[02:20] <`psych0> LOL
[02:20] <Razor-X> neto supulitu!
[02:20] <moparfan90> ok going to install ubuntu now.
[02:20] <Razor-X> *supuritu
[02:20] <moparfan90> bye
[02:20] <_cds> anyone?
[02:20] <`psych0> lool
[02:20] <kvidell> yay they're back! ^.^;
[02:20] <pinko> maybe "top".  I am addicted to watching it.
[02:21] <kvidell> What's the top process on top? Why, top is of course!
[02:21] <`psych0> razor was that a japanese pronunciation ???
[02:22] <Razor-X> `psych0: yeah, it was
[02:22] <pinko> it's its own little soap opera
[02:22] <`psych0> :DDDDDDDDDDD
[02:22] <`psych0> japanese or watching anime?
[02:22] <Razor-X> knowing a lot of languages makes certain things seep into your knowledge base
[02:22] <`psych0> : >
[02:22] <Razor-X> `psych0: the latter XD
[02:22] <`psych0> ehehe
[02:22] <Razor-X> but, I also do French accents, and Spanish ones too
[02:22] <`psych0> i know 4 lngs
[02:23] <`psych0> me happy
[02:23] <`psych0> : >
[02:23] <Razor-X> and really _really_ good Palpatine accents ;0
[02:23] <Razor-X> *;)
[02:23] <`psych0> palpatine?
[02:23] <`psych0> starwars?
[02:23] <`psych0> LMAO
[02:23] <Razor-X> yeah
[02:23] <Razor-X> especially the "Rise" part
[02:24] <moparfan90> ok.i need help.
[02:24] <`psych0> :)
[02:24] <moparfan90> i tried to boot from  cd and it paused then... booted suse
[02:24] <moparfan90> whay
[02:24] <moparfan90> help me
[02:24] <eruin> anyone here know how I can add a specific share via vsftpd? I'm trying to share a directory in my $HOME
[02:24] <tritium> moparfan90, is your bios setup to boot from CD?
[02:24] <moparfan90> yea. well temporaroly it is
[02:25] <`psych0> ah yes, anyone uses here asus p4p800 mobo?
[02:25] <_cds> anyone know why the install is stopping when installing nic-extra-modules ?
[02:25] <dedalus> zyiro that's the test i reboot the computer
[02:25] <dicrapio> are there any databases to check if a certain pcmcia (firewire, usb2 combo) card would work on ubuntu or linux in general?
[02:25] <moparfan90> what do i do???
[02:25] <Matthew_W> Hey guys
[02:26] <Matthew_W> How do I get WiFi working on this beast? (ubuntu lol)
[02:26] <Burgundavia> dicrapio, the great db of google usually will tell you
[02:26] <_cds> I do't even *ave* A NIC
[02:26] <_cds> anyone?
[02:26] <moparfan90> help me
[02:26] <moparfan90> what do i do
[02:26] <`psych0> _cds do u maybe have sata?
[02:26] <HrdwrBoB> _cds: could be a problem with the CD
[02:26] <_cds> no sata
[02:26] <_cds> freshly burnt CD
[02:27] <anto9us> dicrapio: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HardwareSupport
[02:27] <tritium> moparfan90, sounds like you may not have burned the CD correctly, if you're sure you setup the bios to boot from cd
[02:27] <Matthew_W> Anyone about the wireless>
[02:27] <moparfan90> yea i just told it to boot cd
[02:27] <moparfan90> you think the burn was bad
[02:27] <tritium> could be
[02:28] <_cds> anyone?
[02:28] <_cds> Can I skip it?
[02:28] <tritium> _cds, try it
[02:28] <_cds> How/
[02:28] <_cds> I did a server install and it tried installing it
[02:29] <tritium> _cds, can you exit to the main installer menu?
[02:29] <_cds> hang on..
[02:29] <`psych0> rofl
[02:29] <_cds> right, i'm now in the main installer
[02:29] <moparfan90> is the size of the iso around 586.8mb for a install cd
[02:29] <dicrapio> i ll try that anto9us
[02:29] <Matthew_W> ...  Anything?  I have no idea how to install a wireless network to my ubuntu distro
[02:30] <_cds> tritium?
[02:30] <tritium> Matthew_W, what are you trying to setup?  wireless card for your laptop running ubuntu, or what?
[02:30] <tritium> _cds, yes?
[02:30] <_cds> I'm in the main menu
[02:30] <HrdwrBoB> Matthew_W: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/WiFiHowto
[02:31] <tritium> _cds, great.  Try to skip that step, as you suggested
[02:31] <_cds> how?
[02:31] <anto9us> dicrapio: actually, I pasted that prematurely, nothing obvious about firewire/usb2 combo that I could see
[02:31] <tritium> _cds, go to another setp
[02:31] <tritium> step
[02:31] <_cds> how?
[02:31] <tritium> _cds, are you at a menu or not?
[02:32] <_cds> the front menu, yes
[02:32] <dicrapio> oh
[02:32] <tritium> can you navigate it?
[02:32] <_cds> it's the front "Press enter to boot" one
[02:33] <wizard_31> help
[02:33] <wizard_31> anyone having problems with apt-get?
[02:33] <seth_k> what's your issue?
[02:33] <tritium> _cds, yes, but when it gets to the stage where it loops, are you able to exit the loop, and select a different installation step?
[02:33] <seth_k> wizard_31, md5 mismatches?
[02:33] <tritium> wizard_31, see the topic...
[02:33] <_cds> ah -no
[02:33] <compotatoj> Anyone here have a mx510 mouse? Ubuntu doesn't like mapping it correctly..
[02:33] <_cds> It loops half way through installing something
[02:34] <seth_k> tritium, I don't believe the md5 thing is in /topic any more.
[02:34] <seth_k> tritium, unless i'm missing it
[02:34] <wizard_31> using hoary
[02:34] <ardob11> what's another good linux torrent client other than Azureus or Qtorrent?
[02:34] <tritium> seth_k, you're right ;)
[02:34] <Razor-X> ardob11: BitTornado
[02:34] <seth_k> wizard_31, what error do you get?
[02:34] <ardob11> thanx
[02:35] <wizard_31> dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 29584 package `gnome-applets':
[02:35] <wizard_31> `Depends' field, invalid package name `l)bice6': character `)' not allowed - only letters, digits and -+._ allowed
[02:35] <firefly2442> are there ubuntu boot floppies somewhere?
[02:35] <wizard_31> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2)
[02:35] <wizard_31> no matter what i try to do
[02:36] <tritium> wizard_31, are you using the us.archive.ubuntu.com repos?
[02:36] <seth_k> that doesn't sound like an md5 error
[02:36] <seth_k> wizard_31, sudo apt-get clean and then try again
[02:37] <moparfan90> i burned the cs.(ubuntu install) and booted it. then my computer said searching for bootable cd and then just booted my other linux on my HD. what do i d????????
[02:37] <seth_k> moparfan90, did you burn the ISO as a file, maybe?
[02:37] <seth_k> instead of burning it as an image?
[02:37] <vinux> hello all
[02:37] <moparfan90> yea why
[02:37] <tritium> moparfan90, because you need to make a bootable CD
[02:37] <wizard_31> same thing
[02:37] <moparfan90> how?
[02:37] <vinux> so I hear Breezy is alittle unstable
[02:37] <tritium> vinux, yes, please don't use it yet
[02:38] <vinux> tritium, why? is it that bad?
[02:38] <tritium> wizard_31, please see my last question
[02:38] <tritium> vinux, see the topic...
[02:38] <wizard_31> how can i tell?
[02:39] <tritium> wizard_31, you can inspect your /etc/apt/sources.list, or you can watch the output of "sudo apt-get update"
[02:39] <vinux> tritium, so is breezy going to be awsome when it comes out? Do you know of any big differences about it?
[02:39] <tritium> vinux, of course it is ;)
[02:40] <Rotund> vinux: gnome 2.12
[02:40] <`psych0> what kernel will breezy have by default?
[02:40] <seth_k> 2.6.12 i believe
[02:40] <vinux> Rotund, yea gnome is sweet
[02:40] <seth_k> vinux, if you're new to Ubuntu or Linux you really shouldn't use breezy, however if you don't mind fixing things on your own, it's pretty fun. I'm running it on two boxes
[02:40] <`psych0> sweet
[02:40] <wizard_31> ah yes...us is there
[02:40] <wizard_31> should i # them?
[02:41] <_cds> ok, I think my problems are down to not enough memory
[02:41] <tritium> wizard_31, we've had problems with them, but not really the same ones you're having, as seth_k pointed out
[02:41] <_cds> anyone know how to set up swap memory?
[02:41] <vinux> seth_k, so basically it needs a major tune up atleast for newbies
[02:41] <seth_k> vinux, indeed
[02:41] <tritium> _cds, swap space is setup during the partioning phase of installation.
[02:41] <seth_k> vinux, i've broken X on my breezy box about 4 times and had to surf around in links looking for a fix :D
[02:42] <manitoba98xp> I have a computer which is isolated from the Internet (I'm trying to get WiFi working)
[02:42] <manitoba98xp> I need to install packages on it.
[02:42] <vinux> seth_k, wow sounds like it's in alpha stage
[02:42] <moparfan90> how do i burn a bootable cd???
[02:42] <moparfan90> PM me on how to
[02:42] <manitoba98xp> Can I download the .debs, transfer them to the computer, and install them?
[02:42] <manitoba98xp> If so, how?
[02:42] <manitoba98xp> (Do I install them)
[02:42] <_cds> tritium: i'm not getting that far
[02:42] <tritium> vinux, there have been some major changes, include a C++ ABI change
[02:42] <firefly2442> dpkg -i
[02:42] <anto9us> moparfan90: what cd writer software do you have?
[02:42] <tritium> moparfan90, which client are you using?
[02:42] <_cds> tritium: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1022.html   - thats my problem
[02:43] <_cds> but when doing mkswap
[02:43] <vinux> tritium, oh ok hmmmm what's ABI? lol
[02:43] <moparfan90> K3B
[02:43] <_cds> it comes up no such file/dir
[02:43] <firefly2442> manitoba98xp: dpkg -i theinstaller.deb (I think this should work) :)
[02:43] <Stephen__A>  hello -- how can I get ubuntu to detect my wireless internet card - atheros ... I want to set up wlan0 but.. it's not there because the device is listed as unknown atheros in lspci
[02:43] <seth_k> _cds, tritium, the C++ transition is complete
[02:43] <anto9us> moparfan90: burn image then point at the .iso file
[02:44] <seth_k> _cds, tritium, for everything important.
[02:44] <tritium> seth_k, yes
[02:44] <moparfan90> how??
[02:44] <manitoba98xp> filefly2442: does dpkg handle dependencies, or do I have to install the dependencies first?
[02:44] <_cds> seth_k: huh?
[02:44] <moparfan90> PM me there to many people talking
[02:44] <firefly2442> hmm not sure, anyone know?
[02:44] <anto9us> 
[02:45] <moparfan90> how do i burn a bootable iso image help me
[02:45] <anto9us> moparfan90: in k3b select tools menu | CD | Burn CD Image and then select your file in the dialog
[02:45] <vinux> seth_k, C++ that's a programing language right? Are they redoing some stuff in C++
[02:45] <wizard_31> hate to say it but just did pclinuxos on other unit....working really slick
[02:45] <moparfan90> ok
[02:46] <tritium> moparfan90, we're trying to help you.  Please be patient.
[02:46] <moparfan90> ok. sorry
[02:46] <moparfan90> is that all then just burn it
[02:46] <pfp> manitoba98xp, firefly2442 dpkg doesn't fetch dependencies automatically, apt does
[02:46] <anto9us> moparfan90: yes, that will check the iso file and then burn it
[02:46] <tritium> vinux, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BreezyToolchainTransition
[02:47] <moparfan90> ok. thanks every one
[02:47] <vinux> tritium, cool thanks
[02:48] <manitoba98xp> pfp: I know it doesn't fetch them; will it warn me if they aren't met?
[02:48] <pfp> manitoba98xp: yep
[02:48] <tritium> manitoba98xp, packages won't install if their dependencies aren't met, unless you force
[02:48] <manitoba98xp> thx
[02:48] <_cds> how do I exit the console in install?
[02:49] <manitoba98xp> (I'm updating madwifi for my new card)
[02:49] <_cds> (the alt+f2 one)
[02:49] <_cds> 'exit' just brings up the console again
[02:49] <tritium> _cds, Alt-F1
[02:49] <pfp> _cds: alt-f1
[02:49] <_cds> ah, ta
[02:49] <_cds> hr
[02:49] <_cds> m
[02:49] <dedalus> so boring this tvout
[02:49] <_cds> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1022.html
[02:49] <_cds> that fix didn't wor
[02:49] <_cds> k
[02:49] <_cds> anyone any ideas?
[02:50] <firefly2442> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/  can someone explain what these files are?
[02:50] <moparfan90> tritium: how do you learn all this stuff. my gos you have anwsers to everyones questions... well thanks its burning now..... 20%
[02:50] <firefly2442> I know what a netboot is but which do I need?
[02:50] <kevogod> My company that I work for is starting to test on Linux. What flavors of Linux would be a good mix for testing?
[02:50] <_cds> ah, nm
[02:50] <tritium> moparfan90, just been using linux for 12 or so years
[02:50] <seth_k> he's a motu, he better be smart :D
[02:51] <moparfan90> wow!!
[02:51] <tritium> :)
[02:51] <_cds> kevogod: ubundu, redhat/fedora, debian
[02:51] <tritium> one sec...
[02:51] <moparfan90> i thought linux was a new thing
[02:51] <seth_k> ooh tritium, you're feeling like a bad motu right now? :P wanna sponsor an upload for me?
[02:51] <seth_k> and improve your motu-fu?
[02:51] <seth_k> :P
[02:51] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> kevogod, what does the company plan to use the distro for ?
[02:51] <moparfan90> 37% :D:D:D
[02:52] <kevogod> Pop_pa_FrEaK: Testing their client-side web based program.
[02:52] <tritium> I'm back...
[02:52] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> tell them to use ubuntu then :)
[02:52] <paolob> Hi guys! I've just upgraded from warty to hoary, and every time I log in from gdm a window appears telling me of an error in libxklavier library, or an error inthe X server, or an X implementation incompatible with xkbfile. It's described in the mail http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-April/028572.html too. Any hint? any idea? thank you!
[02:52] <tritium> seth_k, heh, maybe come August.  I'm rather busy until then ;)
[02:53] <seth_k> hehe, no problems ;)
[02:53] <kevogod> Pop_pa_FrEaK: It's a matter of testing multiple distributions, not just one. Right now I have Fedora Core 4 and Ubuntu 5.04 up.
[02:54] <occy> Most powerful NO-OS (wanna stick Ubuntu on it)  I can buy for $500(total)
[02:54] <anto9us> kevogod: I've just switched my client-side web based program users to ubuntu from mandrake 10, they all prefer ubuntu, 100%
[02:54] <_cds> er...
[02:54] <moparfan90> i would say the major distros are ubuntu, debian, foedora core 3 and 4, and redhat
[02:55] <_cds> wy am I getting segmentation falt?
[02:55] <kevogod> What about Novell/SUSE?
[02:55] <bartekp> moparfan90: in Poland major distro is Aurox
[02:56] <anto9us> kevogod: the price tag
[02:56] <vinux> kevogod, if you like spending money Suse is ok but I hear thier support is not that great
[02:57] <kevogod> I am not looking for home use. I could care less about price as it is testing for other possible systems.
[02:57] <kevogod> We currently test on Mac OS 8.6+, Windows 98+, and now soon to be Linux.
[02:58] <Burgundavia> kevogod, either Ubuntu or Suse is fine for home use
[02:58] <anto9us> kevogod: for your purpose all you need is something that will run firefox right?
[02:58] <anto9us> kevogod: although ubuntu will do much more :)
[02:59] <kevogod> Well, it all depends on where each distribution is at. Since most do not add new feature suntil the next release.
[02:59] <caonex> You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version 2.6.10-5-386)
[02:59] <caonex> This will not work unless you have configured your boot loader to use
[02:59] <caonex> initrd. (An initrd image is a kernel image that expects to use an INITial
[02:59] <caonex> Ram Disk to mount a minimal root file system into RAM and use that for
[02:59] <caonex> booting).
[02:59] <caonex>  What this means by configure it, is to just include a line in the menu.lst pointing at the initrd image in /boot?
[02:59] <kevogod> So FireFox 1.03 with 1.04 security updates may differ from FireFox 1.04.
[03:00] <vinux> kevogod, look you got like 3 choices. ubuntu , ubuntu and then finally ubuntu. Look into my eyes and say "ubuntu is the only one" :P
[03:00] <makaveli> i need some help everytime i go to run synaptic i get the following error message " failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic: Child terminated with 1 status"
[03:00] <anto9us> kevogod: although firefox in ubuntu is at 1.0.2 with security patches it can be tweaked to show as 1.04 if the server needs it
[03:00] <kevogod> vinux: Fanboyd :P
[03:00] <kevogod> heh
[03:00] <tritium> good night all
[03:01] <firefly2442> why hasn't ubuntu updated firefox yet?
[03:01] <anto9us> good night tritium
[03:01] <vinux> nite tritium
[03:01] <kevogod> anto9us: That still does not address that the browser could give different results.
[03:01] <kvidell> firefly2442: They've implemented all of the patches from the latest versions for bug fixes in to 1.0.2
[03:01] <seth_k> firefly2442: check backports, it's in there
[03:01] <kevogod> firefly2442: Most Linux distributions only port security updates to latest programs.
[03:01] <kevogod> At release, they are updated fully.
[03:02] <anto9us> kevogod: it works ok for me I run a zope based web applicaton server, mozilla and firefox only, no version problems yet
[03:02] <firefly2442> is there a reason they patched it but left the version the same though? it seems odd....
[03:02] <cthulfuego> firefly2442: Most releave versions of softwre backport patches, they don't implement wholly new versions, for stability reasons.
[03:02] <kevogod> firefly2442: That is because the other changes to FireFox 1.04 have not been added to Ubuntu's version.
[03:02] <cthulfuego> s/releave/release/
[03:03] <firefly2442> you learn something new everyday :) thanks
[03:03] <kevogod> firefly2442: If you go to the FireFox extensions page with Ubuntu, you will see how to change your vendorSub to 1.04.
[03:04] <kevogod> This will allow you to download 1.04 extensions.
[03:04] <fonz> if i don't compile something from scratch, i feel like a communist
[03:04] <kevogod> If I don't compile something from scratch, I feel rich.
[03:04] <fonz> a rich communist, maybe
[03:05] <anto9us> fonz: don't knock communism till you've tried it :)
[03:05] <vinux> fonz, LOL
[03:05] <fonz> anto9us, have you?
[03:05] <cthulfuego> how would you know what a communist feels like?
[03:05] <kevogod> Communism has never been tried. It has only been pretended.
[03:05] <fonz> i don't know, except that i'd feel like warren beatty
[03:05] <occy> AMD Athlon 64 3000+ is that faster or slower than a PIV 2.4 G ?
[03:05] <occy> sorry for stupid question.
[03:05] <seth_k> faster
[03:05] <seth_k> by a lot
[03:05] <occy> really?
[03:05] <cthulfuego> occy: Should be quite a bit faster.
[03:05] <vinux> kevogod, tell that to windows XP
[03:06] <occy> ahh sweet
[03:06] <occy> heh
[03:06] <cthulfuego> communism is like living off your parents, but for grown-ups ;-)
[03:06] <anto9us> fonz: no, I've lent my bicycle to my mates though
[03:06] <kevogod> Performance wise, the Athlon 64 3000+ is better.
[03:06] <fonz> when will ubuntu be ready to install on the new apple intel machines?
[03:06] <occy> DDR 400 PC 3200 Good ram?
[03:06] <zyth> okay, I actually have *everything* working in Linux for once.
[03:06] <fonz> (trick question)
[03:06] <zyth> amazing.
[03:06] <cthulfuego> occy: Kingston
[03:06] <occy> Man, I've been out of the market so long.
[03:06] <occy> heh
[03:06] <kevogod> occy: Get Corsair ValueSelect 1GB Kit
[03:06] <occy> I'm on a low budget.
[03:07] <vinux> zyth, yea it's a good feeling
[03:07] <_doneill> wow.
[03:07] <_doneill> i just read about dvorak
[03:07] <cthulfuego> occy: Even so, shit ram will make the box not work.
[03:07] <kevogod> occy: Corsair ValueSelect is a damn good deal.
[03:07] <_doneill> and compared with some qwerty :D
[03:07] <_doneill> or 'scholes' i think it's called
[03:07] <_doneill> sholes?  yeah, sholes.
[03:07] <zyth> occy, it really doesn't matter that much, I have 1GB PC2100, works fine.  Unless you're a psycho hardcore gamer or something ;)
[03:07] <occy> ahh ok, I'll see if these peeps offer it.
[03:07] <kevogod> I tried Dvorak for a month, it was easy to learn but not practical since every keyboard is qwerty,.
[03:07] <_doneill> kevogod: daskeyboard.com
[03:07] <_doneill> no keyboard is anything
[03:08] <_doneill> these aren't typewriters using ink and etched heads, they're computer peripherals, all reprogrammable
[03:08] <cthulfuego> occy: A single 512Mb stick is fine for a typical desktop box that runs mail/browser/office/gimp. You can always buy another stick when you have the money.
[03:08] <kevogod> Pftt, tell that to every keyboard ever made in any office, school, or anywhere.
[03:08] <occy> DDR 333 Kingston PC-2700
[03:08] <fidget> hello could anyone recommend a good book for debian/linux server security
[03:08] <occy> sound OK?
[03:08] <_doneill> kevogod: look, dvorak is ANSI recognized, and in every major OS distro by default.
[03:08] <cthulfuego> occy: 400if you can (PC3200)
[03:08] <_doneill> kevogod: any serious typist doesn't look at the keyboard anyway.
[03:09] <occy> hmm k
[03:09] <cthulfuego> occy: There should hardly be any price difference
[03:09] <occy> Got it...
[03:09] <kevogod> _doneill: Yes, but that does not further Dvorak's cause by not having much hardware support.
[03:09] <occy> It's just under $500
[03:09] <occy> :)
[03:09] <occy> hehe
[03:09] <occy> cthulfuego, thanks
[03:09] <cthulfuego> occy: for 1 GB?
[03:09] <occy> naw
[03:09] <zyth> that's expensive
[03:09] <occy> for the box total
[03:09] <kevogod> Hardware support as in Keys layed out already.
[03:09] <cthulfuego> occy: Ah, ok :-)
[03:09] <_doneill> kevogod: ...hardware support, heh
[03:10] <cthulfuego> occy: That about what i paid for my 2800+ 8 months ago.
[03:10] <concept10> What is the fastest way to connect to another computer using remote desktop if I know the IP address?
[03:10] <kevogod> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145440
[03:10] <kevogod> That's my RAM.
[03:10] <_doneill> AMD 3000 :D
[03:10] <dedalus> what's this mess ubuntu want to install apache2 with some elements of apache
[03:10] <dedalus> is it normal
[03:10] <dedalus> ??
[03:11] <bartekp> concept10: X over ssh with copression?
[03:11] <anto9us> concept10: Applications | Internet | Terminal Server Client
[03:11] <anto9us> concept10: and I typed that as quickly as I could
[03:12] <zyth> concept10, RDP, if they have it enabled
[03:12] <yonil> everybody having trouble with marillat sources or is it just me ?
[03:12] <occy> http://occy.net/tmp/computer-ss.png
[03:12] <occy> cthulfuego, check that out.
[03:12] <zyth> yonil, I don't think you need marillat with hoary anymore (at least I didn't for anything)
[03:12] <concept10> is RDP different than VNC
[03:13] <dedalus> concept10 i advice you vncserver
[03:13] <yonil> zyth, i cant find packages which i tought should exist (anjunta for example)
[03:13] <anto9us> concept10: yes, RDP is the Microsoft protocol
[03:13] <zyth> concept10, RDP = Windows-ish.  Sorry, I generally remote to windows boxes.  I assumed
[03:13] <cthulfuego> yonil: Isn't it 'anjuta' ?
[03:13] <concept10> Im trying to remote to a fresh install of ubuntu, I usually use krdc
[03:13] <occy> cthulfuego, decent deal?
[03:14] <zyth> I see anjuta in my synaptic
[03:14] <cthulfuego> occy: Does that HD have 8MB cache?
[03:14] <yonil> cthulfuego, lol :*) well guess it is there :-)
[03:14] <kvidell> are you looking for an RDP client?
[03:14] <occy> cthulfuego, hmmm, don't know.
[03:14] <cthulfuego> yonil: Not typo3ing helps a lot ;-)
[03:15] <occy> The hitachi for 5bucks more does
[03:15] <anto9us> concept10: System | Preferences | Remote Desktop on the machine you want to log in to
[03:15] <concept10> Im just not familiar with terminal server client do know what to put in there to access the machine remotely
[03:15] <concept10> anto9us, I have that setup already. I need to know what to do from my side
[03:16] <cthulfuego> occy: Got video yet?
[03:16] <zyth> on ubuntu?
[03:16] <occy> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440]  (rev a3)
[03:16] <cthulfuego> Cool.
[03:16] <occy> heh
[03:16] <anto9us> concept10: it tells you command in that dialog box
[03:16] <occy> kevogod, was just asking about that. ;)
[03:16] <occy> hehe
[03:16] <zyth> MX440
[03:16] <zyth> you poor man
[03:16] <zyth> :(
[03:16] <fonz> why doesn't someone make the blackjack game installed on ubuntu into a mmorpg
[03:17] <occy> zyiro, heh
[03:17] <fonz> WHY WHY WHY
[03:17] <paolob> Hi guys! I have a problem with the keyboard in X, giving me an error related to various xkb stuff. What packages should I reinstall in order to try to solve it? thank you!
[03:17] <occy> zyiro, Do you know of problems with these cards?
[03:17] <Razor-X> hmmm.... should I put the word recursive in \verb if I'm showing that that's what -R means?
[03:17] <zyth> occy, oh, no, they're fine
[03:17] <zyth> just older/slower
[03:17] <occy> zyiro, Cause... I've been having lockups to hell and back. :(
[03:17] <zyth> really?
[03:17] <ardob11> what's a good BT client with integrated download/upload list, qtorrent and azureus don't work and I want to share a lot of files
[03:17] <occy> I can't seem to narrow it down to anything.
[03:17] <zyth> does yours have a cooling fan?
[03:17] <occy> I've tried for over a year now.
[03:17] <occy> yeah
[03:17] <zyth> hm.
[03:17] <occy> Windows will run on this damned box for 6 months without locking up.
[03:18] <zyth> you can get an FX5700 for cheap, maybe just upgrade it
[03:18] <anto9us> Razor-X: in \verb?
[03:18] <occy> But put Linux on it... and use Gimp and it locks up harder than.... I don't know what.
[03:18] <occy> :(
[03:18] <zyth> I have an old Ti 4200 on mine, it's all happy
[03:18] <ardob11> Razor X?
[03:18] <occy> Don't know if it's Ram, hard drive, or what.
[03:18] <vinux> hey guys I have a question about extra repositories are these on this page safe? http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[03:18] <Razor-X> anto9us: yeah
[03:18] <zyth> occy, have you checked the AGP driver in your X config?
[03:18] <occy> It's costing me time doing web work when My machine locksup.
[03:18] <zyth> occy, could be an AGP issue
[03:19] <anto9us> Razor-X: please explain
[03:19] <occy> zyth, yeah, I've been all through it with crimson and several others here.
[03:19] <cthulfuego> occy: They list an 8MB cache WD model too.
[03:19] <zyth> ahh
[03:19] <occy> cthulfuego, was trying to keep it under $500
[03:19] <occy> that's really all the money I have.
[03:19] <zyth> *nods*
[03:19] <cthulfuego> occy: Drop 512Mb ram and get the faster drive.
[03:19] <zyth> if it's a motherboard issue (AGP), the issue may clear up
[03:19] <Razor-X> anto9us: it's a LaTeX thing
[03:19] <occy> I do a lot of GFX.
[03:19] <zyth> MX440's are usually pretty solid
[03:19] <occy> really need the ram.
[03:20] <zyth> you're changing your mobo right occy ?
[03:20] <cthulfuego> occy: The faster drive will give you a batter performance gain. Really.
[03:20] <anto9us> Razor-X: aah, sorry, not used it
[03:20] <cthulfuego> occy: I do gfx too and only have 512Mb ram at the moment. 120+ MB images aren't an issue.
[03:20] <Razor-X> anto9us: well, \verb makes the text surrounded in | | look plain
[03:20] <occy> hmm
[03:20] <Razor-X> while everything else looks nice
[03:20] <occy> interesting
[03:20] <Razor-X> most people use \verb to differentiate code from normal text
[03:20] <cthulfuego> occy: And again, it's easier to add ram than to migrate to a new hd.
[03:21] <Razor-X> so, i was wondering if that would look good, aesthetically, when explaining thet \verb|-R| is recursive or \verb|recursive|
[03:21] <occy> up to $514 now.
[03:21] <occy> heh
[03:21] <occy> not that bad... if it's a decent deal
[03:21] <zyth> occy, but anyways, if you're changing to a new motherboard, just see if your current card works properly.
[03:21] <occy> Now... would I run the 64bit version of Ubuntu on that?
[03:22] <cthulfuego> You can probably shave money off by using a different case.
[03:22] <occy> zyth, oh..
[03:22] <occy> zyth, you don't think the card will work?
[03:22] <kevogod> occy: You could.
[03:22] <cthulfuego> occy: Are you planning to do any video stuff?
[03:22] <occy> kevogod, you configurate yet?
[03:22] <zyth> occy, unless the card is failing (and if it is, XP ought to have issues too), it's probably a conflict with your motherboard's AGP.  So the card ought to work fine on your new set up
[03:22] <vinux> hey who is running 64bit ubuntu?
[03:22] <occy> cthulfuego, nah, no video
[03:22] <kevogod> I'm downloading Fedora Core 4 right now, so my internet is going sorta slow.
[03:22] <cthulfuego> occy: Then go 64bit
[03:23] <kevogod> hold on
[03:23] <anto9us> Razor-X: I would say aesthetics is not nearly as important as your formatting conventions and consistancy, if it isn't code therefore, I would say no to your question
[03:23] <occy> cthulfuego, is there 64bit Ubuntu Hoary out?
[03:23] <maswan> occy: sure, it was released with warty even
[03:23] <occy> and how much further behind 32bit is the 64bit version in release schedule?
[03:23] <occy> ahhh
[03:23] <occy> maswan, right on.
[03:23] <cthulfuego> occy: That's what I run :-)
[03:23] <occy> I know PPC ports tend to be slow behind other things.
[03:24] <occy> Man, you guys have been super helpful.
[03:24] <occy> Hoping kevogod can come up with a better buy ;)
[03:24] <zyth> that's probably because of less PPC users.  Poor PPC.
[03:24] <Speedy2> Can someone send me the binary for "lspci" ? I am trying to debug an issue with the Ubuntu install CD and the console during the install does not have lspci
[03:24] <maswan> occy: well, ubuntu has i386, ppc, and amd64 as release arches
[03:24] <kvidell> maswan: will it run on a VAX?
[03:25] <occy> hey...
[03:25] <toresbe> kvidell: unfortunately :(
[03:25] <toresbe> ...not
[03:25] <zyth>  	 VisionMan VT3200 Socket 754 Barebone Kit / AMD Athlon 64 3200+ / 1.0GB DDR400 / X-Blade Gamer Tower with Clear-Side / 450 Watt / LCD FAN Control Module / 1.44FDD / 56K / NO OS - $780 CDN
[03:25] <maswan> kvidell: no, unless you find an i386, ppc or amd64 vax
[03:25] <kvidell> drat
[03:25] <occy> think this onboard video is better than what I have now?
[03:25] <zyth> oh no HD either.
[03:25] <zyth> eh
[03:25] <occy> nForce3 250
[03:25] <toresbe> kvidell: netbsd will, though
[03:25] <occy> whatever the heck that is.
[03:25] <kvidell> toresbe: hehe.. OpenVMS :-D
[03:25] <kevogod> Chipset
[03:25] <kvidell> phear. phear the vms
[03:25] <toresbe> kvidell: ew :P
[03:26] <kvidell> hp says so!
[03:26] <kvidell> lol
[03:26] <anto9us> kvidell: have you seen http://linux-vax.sourceforge.net/ ?
[03:26] <occy> what I know of the nForce 3 is in that screnshot: http://occy.net/tmp/computer-ss.png
[03:26] <toresbe> anto9us: of course :)
[03:26] <zyth> linux on a vax.  oi.
[03:27] <Speedy2> Would someone w/Ubuntu 5.04 on x86 send me their 'lspci' executable?
[03:27] <kevogod> I configured the exact computer using Newegg.com and their price for the case and it came to $422.43.
[03:27] <kvidell> lol
[03:27] <kvidell> hm
[03:27] <maswan> occy: nForce is a chipset, not a graphics thingie
[03:27] <occy> maswan, ahhh
[03:27] <kevogod> So about $80 markup... which is not bad
[03:27] <kevogod> (possibly more)
[03:28] <zyth> these openbsd songs are majorly amusing.
[03:28] <kvidell> Speedy2: how would you like me to get it to ya?
[03:28] <Speedy2> kvidell: DCC?
[03:28] <occy> songs?  Ooh... I haven't pimped my band in a while:
[03:28] <occy> http://theinterference.com/
[03:28] <occy> Download tunes and enjoy.
[03:28] <kvidell> hm
[03:28] <occy> triple your money back if not 100% satisfied.
[03:28] <occy> ;)
[03:28] <zyth> better be in .ogg ;)
[03:28] <kvidell> never dcc'd with bitchx before ,lol
[03:28] <occy> zyth, Look under ogg/mp3
[03:28] <occy> heh
[03:28] <zyth> kvidell, /dcc send file nick iirc.
[03:29] <occy> or under files I think.
[03:29] <kevogod> occy: The hard drive on the one you're looking at is only Ultra ATA100
[03:29] <kevogod> and your motherboard does not support SATA
[03:29] <zyth> whoa it crashed mplayer mozilla plugin
[03:29] <zyth> whee
[03:29] <occy> http://theinterference.com/music/ogg/shadow_sessions1/ti-sooner_or_later.ogg
[03:29] <maswan> kevogod: the motherboard says it supports SATA
[03:29] <Razor-X> mmm, LaTeX makes everything look so sexy
[03:29] <occy> kevogod, oh...
[03:29] <occy> :(
[03:30] <abarbaccia> Razor-X, its so much fun too
[03:30] <occy> kevogod, see... I haven't a clue as to what I'm doing.
[03:30] <Speedy2> kvidell: Thank you very much! :)
[03:30] <kvidell> indeed
[03:30] <kevogod> You could go to http://www.ubuntupc.com/
[03:30] <kevogod> heh
[03:30] <occy> yeah?
[03:30] <occy> oh
[03:30] <occy> :P
[03:31] <kevogod> I have never used the Lini PC but it looks interesting.. heh
[03:31] <occy> They are a bit over priced
[03:31] <occy> well
[03:31] <occy> out of my pricing range
[03:31] <Razor-X> abarbaccia: yeah, definitely
[03:31] <occy> $599 for their lini
[03:31] <gp_aaron> What is a gui cd-burning app for gnome that can handle bin/cue
[03:31] <occy> and it seems underpowered
[03:31] <Razor-X> I don't even know _why_ I used WYSIWYG henceforth
[03:31] <zyth> occy, whatever you do, get a cheap SB Live soundcard if you like multichannel sound.
[03:31] <ubuntu> Right now I am in the Live CD enviornment, but I still can't resize my partition, any advice?
[03:31] <zyth> if your audio chipset isn't friendly
[03:31] <occy> I've got a PCI card
[03:31] <kevogod> AC'97 8 Channel is the only way to go!
[03:32] <Burgundavia> Unlike Ubuntu or Kubuntu (other popular Debian derivatives), Groovix software maintains 100% compatibility with Debian sources.
[03:32] <Burgundavia> umm, that is FUD
[03:32] <Razor-X> *previous to this
[03:32] <kevogod> heh
[03:32] <occy> kevogod, :/
[03:32] <occy> occy@occy.net if you guys find any good deals.
[03:32] <KodeK> hey, anyone with an audigy2 here?
[03:32] <sproingie> Burgundavia: so why wouldn't i just use debian?
[03:32] <occy> I gotta go check on the girls.
[03:32] <thechitowncubs> Anyone got any ideas?
[03:32] <occy> they are crying for some reason
[03:32] <occy> bbl
[03:32] <occy> tx for all the help
[03:32] <occy> thanks guys
[03:32] <zyth> $599.. US?
[03:32] <zyth> I could build that for way cheaper, CDN even.
[03:32] <_nate__> sup noobs? :)
[03:32] <Burgundavia> sproingie, Ubuntu is source compatible, not neccesarily binary compitable (though it usually is)
[03:32] <zyth> groovix looks like a ripoff.
[03:32] <KodeK> im trying to route my bass to the subwoofer, instead of the satellites. ive read about that somewhere, but i do not know how to do it. Anyone?
[03:33] <Miks> mmm in order to change the language of the man pages...i must change the variable "LC_MESSAGES" in the "/etc/environment/"  to the desired language like "es_MX"....is that right?
[03:33] <kevogod> It's not hard to build a computer for cheaper.
[03:33] <kevogod> They do have to make a profit.
[03:33] <nnutter> I would appreciate it if someone could help me setup my wireless nic.  The Network settings panel sees the wiresless card and I told it what network to connect to
[03:33] <zyth> kevogod, yeah, I suppose, lol
[03:33] <sproingie> Burgundavia: again, i have to wonder why that's a feature.  it means being stuck with ossified versions of KDE and so forth
[03:34] <Burgundavia> sproingie, say again?
[03:34] <nnutter> oops, but it is not getting an ip address
[03:34] <bigbill52a> i love building computers..especially amd-64
[03:34] <sproingie> Burgundavia: ok why don't you tell me what binary compatibility means
[03:34] <thechitowncubs> Please someone take the time and help :)
[03:34] <zyth> haven't made an amd-64 yet, but I have an A8N SLI Deluxe MB in my living room crying to be put in something
[03:34] <thechitowncubs> it would be greatly appreciated
[03:34] <gp_aaron> no one knows?
[03:34] <Burgundavia> sproingie, binary compatibility means that you can install a deb from anywhere on Ubuntu
[03:34] <kevogod> I want to see how the Cell processor will play in the PC world.
[03:35] <bigbill52a> built 4 for customers..has 6 month warranty but no one calls for warranty service
[03:35] <zyth> kevogod, from what I've read (admitedly, on slashdot, soo...) not so well, since it lacks certain normal 'cpu' functions
[03:35] <thechitowncubs> gp_aaron: restate your question
[03:35] <sproingie> Burgundavia: i can already do that
[03:35] <gp_aaron> What is a gui cd-burning app for gnome that can handle bin/cue
[03:35] <KodeK> can anyone help me with my sound drivers? :/
[03:35] <Burgundavia> sproingie, most will work, but some will not
[03:35] <zyth> KodeK, what's the problem?
[03:35] <bigbill52a> smooth as silk with an msi or soltek motherboard...built my first sli one....very nice
[03:35] <thechitowncubs> Graveman I believe
[03:35] <gp_aaron> well it doesn't need to be gnome just not k3b
[03:35] <cthulfuego> gp_aaron: 'xterm -e cdrdao write foo.cue'
[03:35] <kevogod> zyth: Well, from what Sony has said, the PS3 will run Linux so that may be FUD.
[03:35] <KodeK> zyth, bass is coming out of my satellites
[03:35] <zyth> nnutter, are you using WEP/WAP?
[03:36] <zyth> kevogod, yeah, true.
[03:36] <gp_aaron> cthulfuego, ok thats number one
[03:36] <KodeK> zyth, it screws up my sound.
[03:36] <nnutter> zyth, no it is open
[03:36] <cthulfuego> gp_aaron: Right click the .cue, see if it can burn.
[03:36] <sproingie> Burgundavia: right, like those with library version skew.  this usually isn't a big priority with binary distros
[03:36] <vinux> kevogod, well xbox360 run linux?
[03:36] <zyth> KodeK, oh, I don't use more than 2 speakers, have you tried alsamixer?  Beyond that, I have no idea, corry.
[03:36] <zyth> *sorry
[03:36] <KodeK> zyth, yes, i have :/ it's ok, though :D
[03:36] <gp_aaron> do you know of a program that will let me burn a .avi to a vcd
[03:36] <nnutter> zyth, oh wait, maybe it isn't
[03:36] <kevogod> vinux: It will when the Mod makers get ahold of it.
[03:36] <cthulfuego> gp_aaron: 'transcode'
[03:36] <zyth> nnutter, that'd be a problem :)
[03:36] <sproingie> Burgundavia: anyone really paranoid about binary version skew either runs debian stable or gentoo.  two approaches to the same end
[03:36] <bigbill52a> figured a way to install xp to sata drive and debian to ide drive...and the booting for each is independent
[03:37] <vinux> kevogod, hehehe
[03:37] <kvidell> oo
[03:37] <kvidell> vmware5 is good times
[03:37] <nnutter> zyth, sorry it is my apartment's wireless and that just added a username and password for it, but I don't know how they are doing it
[03:37] <cthulfuego> good times is a virus
[03:37] <kvidell> er..
[03:37] <kvidell> vmware5 is good eats?
[03:37] <gp_aaron> cthulfuego, transcode to mpeg?
[03:37] <Razor-X> vmware 5 hasn't come out yet, has it?
[03:37] <zyth> nnutter, that's your issue then.  You'll need to talk to whomever is running the router and get the key
[03:37] <zyth> Anyone know if Gnomebaker is worth using yet?
[03:37] <cthulfuego> gp_aaron: Yes, mpegh with correct bitrate options for VCD. See the docs.
[03:37] <Razor-X> kvidell: can I get the recipe, or is it on the site?
[03:37] <gp_aaron> ok
[03:38] <gp_aaron> thank you
[03:38] <kvidell> I don't have a copy of it, I'm forwarding it off a test dev box at work
[03:38] <Razor-X> gp_aaron: mpegh, what does it do?
[03:38] <Razor-X> errr
[03:38] <Razor-X> cthulfuego
[03:38] <Miks> how can i list the users that are currently logged in?
[03:38] <zyth> Miks, who
[03:38] <Miks> thanks
[03:39] <kvidell> and for your current tty only, "who mom likes" ^.^;
[03:39] <zyth> I need to get rid of this Nomad Zen Xtra for a portable that does ogg.  I seem to have become oddly psycho about audio formats.
[03:39] <Miks> haha
[03:39] <calamari> hi
[03:39] <kevogod> Get a Rio Karma.
[03:40] <Miks> what does tty1  and pts/0  mean?
[03:40] <zyth> kevogod, what's the storage like?
[03:40] <kevogod> I believe 40 GB
[03:40] <thechitowncubs> is it possible to resize an ext3 partition?
[03:40] <Razor-X> Miks: terminal names
[03:40] <kevogod> but you'll have to look that up
[03:40] <Razor-X> thechitowncubs: yes
[03:40] <zyth> that's not bad
[03:40] <Miks> canuse it seems like i have 2 users of myself
[03:40] <kevogod> 20GB
[03:40] <synd> why not an ipod and apple lossless?
[03:40] <Miks> logged in
[03:40] <calamari> is there a way to change the title of a gnome-terminal window?
[03:40] <Miks> one with tty1 and other with pts/0
[03:40] <nnutter> zyth, I am pretty sure it is open, and it is supposed to assign an IP address so that I can login via the web browser
[03:40] <zyth> wonder how much I can get on ebay for this zen xtra
[03:40] <thechitowncubs> Ok, anyone want to give me a brief step by step on how to do it?
[03:40] <kevogod> synd: Because the formats are not open?
[03:40] <zyth> synd, proprietary is evil? :)
[03:41] <kvidell> Miks: are you running X?
[03:41] <synd> kevogod: understandable\
[03:41] <kevogod> synd: Why not FLAC?
[03:41] <zyth> nnutter, hmm, odd
[03:41] <pfp> calamari: echo -ne "\033] 0;New text for title\007"
[03:41] <Miks> ohh...so thats why...if im running X then i have anothe ruser logged in
[03:41] <Pauly> Who all here has gotten Qemu to work to emulate windows?
[03:41] <kvidell> yea, and everytime you open an XTerm or a gnome-terminal you'll get another one
[03:41] <synd> kevogod: just a suggestion ; )
[03:41] <Miks> i like this system because everyday i learn something new :P
[03:42] <kevogod> Apple is more evil than Microsoft.
[03:42] <calamari> ahh, sorry.. I found it, I think.. --title :)
[03:42] <synd> ha!
[03:42] <_kaz> omg. What is up with ubuntu & "debootstrap error"
[03:42] <bartekp> kevogod: why?
[03:42] <Razor-X> FLAC pwnz
[03:42] <Razor-X> kevogod: yes, it is
[03:42] <thechitowncubs> Pretty please, I can't find it anywhere! :(
[03:42] <_kaz> What is wrong with this distro??? Lots of other people have this problem as well it seems. Why is it so finicky?
[03:43] <synd> _kaz: i dont see it much
[03:43] <synd> Apple pwnz :D
[03:43] <thechitowncubs> I'm not having a problem with it
[03:43] <thechitowncubs> I just want to know how to do something
[03:44] <_kaz> debootstrap error @ coreutils during install. I've tried many different discs (burnt as low as 4x), kubuntu AND ubuntu both fail at the same spot during install.
[03:44] <_kaz> I am guessing this is code related.
[03:44] <synd> _kaz: have you thought about your hardware being defective?
[03:44] <zyth> _kaz, it's probably hardware
[03:44] <_kaz> which hardware?
[03:44] <synd> cd drive
[03:44] <synd> who knows?
[03:44] <KodeK> Ahhhh, i ran amixer sset Tone on, then i moved up my bass, and my sound got all distorted...I don't think the drivers are separating the bass from the channels and  sending it to the subwoofer.
[03:44] <synd> swap the drive and then try
[03:45] <_kaz> I've tried different cd-roms, put in a brand new cable, ran memtest (and tried new mem)
[03:45] <synd> if it does it again, then its nto the drive
[03:45] <Razor-X> _kaz: what architecture?
[03:45] <synd> try installing on another computer
[03:45] <_kaz> tried everything. It is a abit via based board.
[03:45] <anto9us> thechitowncubs: install parted and gparted, then sudo gparted and right click the drive and partition you want to resize and select resize/move
[03:45] <andax> i have some trouble enabling the java plugin in mozilla, mozilla-firefox, and opera. the /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins dir contains the following files with 777 permissions: flashplayer.xpt  libflashplayer.so  libgcjwebplugin.so  libjavaplugin_oji.so , what else do I need to make it work?
[03:45] <_kaz> synd: works on another computer. I think the problem is with ubuntu + some hardware I'm using.  A incompatibility.
[03:46] <vinux> In Debian alsa drivers for my sound card wouldn't work. Said incorrect module parameters or something like that. But in Ubuntu it works great without any configuring. Hmmm I wonder what's the big difference
[03:46] <anto9us> thechitowncubs: that should read select drive then right click partition
[03:46] <synd> _kaz: have you tried a different cd drive?
[03:46] <_kaz> I dug up my old 5.04 beta disc that I know works (its installed on my laptop) and THAT disc gets the same error at the same spot.
[03:46] <_kaz> synd: yes, see above. But yes... tried 3 different CD-ROM/DVD drives
[03:46] <kevogod> I just got my Ubuntu CDs in the mail today.
[03:47] <bhartman> Hi, everyone.  I've got Ubuntu running 90% of the way I want it, but I can't get sound to work correctly on my system.  I get event sounds (opening and closing a window, etc.) but I don't get game sounds, or movie clip sounds, etc.  Can anyone lend me a hand?
[03:47] <vinux> kevogod, cool how long did it take?
[03:47] <thechitowncubs> anto9us, but it is an active partition, how can i get it an enviornment where it isn't used?
[03:47] <synd> _kaz: i see. odd nonetheless
[03:47] <kevogod> vinux: A while.
[03:47] <Spug> kevogod: are they cool? :)
[03:47] <_kaz> kev: my friend did too... they sent him 10... he couldn't install because it errored at some (other) part during the install.
[03:47] <thechitowncubs> because the ubuntu livecd seems to use the hard drive and its not possible
[03:47] <calamari> kevogod: oh, cool.. maybe I'll be getting mine soon too :)
[03:47] <_kaz> Seems like the installer needs work still.
[03:47] <kevogod> Spug: Yea, they are pretty neat.
[03:47] <Spug> :)
[03:47] <calamari> <-- still running the warty
[03:47] <andax> bhartman, it will never work, sudo sh, killall esd , and you're fine
[03:47] <synd> kevogod: how many did you get?
[03:48] <anto9us> thechitowncubs: download and burn http://www.sysresccd.org/ boot off it and use gparted in that
[03:48] <kevogod> The AMD64 one is yellow and x86 is red.
[03:48] <synd> calamari: why dontcha d/l it?
[03:48] <calamari> synd: dialup
[03:48] <kevogod> 10 x86 and 1 AMD64
[03:48] <synd> calamari: fair enough
[03:48] <thechitowncubs> anto9us: it comes with gparted?
[03:48] <bhartman> andax:  So I need to remove esd from my system?
[03:48] <anto9us> thechitowncubs: yes
[03:48] <andax> bhartman, just kill it, so you can have sound :)
[03:48] <odie5533> Is there a good ftp client aside from gftp?
[03:48] <thechitowncubs> nice, i'll try it
[03:48] <calamari> synd: I'd probably still d/l it using dx, but I'm out of cdr's hehe
[03:48] <thechitowncubs> Thanks, I'll let you know :)
[03:48] <cthulfuego> odie5533: 'lftp'
[03:49] <_kaz> Where is the most active devevelopment forum for ubuntu? Mailing lists? ubuntuforums?
[03:49] <synd> kevogod: how long ago did you order them?
[03:49] <kevogod> calamari: When did you order yours?
[03:49] <bhartman> andax:  Ok, thanks.  Will I have to kill it each time I reboot?
[03:49] <_kaz> I want to find out what is up with this debootstrap error.
[03:49] <kevogod> synd: Well, let me check.
[03:49] <odie5533> Any GUI ftp client?
[03:49] <IcemanV9> laptop disaster stories --> http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2373
[03:49] <calamari> kevogod: I don't remember, but it wasn't long after they became orderable
[03:49] <cthulfuego> odie5533: Why would you do that?
[03:49] <_kaz> I'm going on day 4 of trying to install ubuntu on this box
[03:49] <andax> bhartman, no, you can just delete it, type something like rm `which esd` and you'll have sound :)
[03:49] <odie5533> Gftp does not work well for me
[03:49] <anto9us> odie5533: firefox
[03:49] <cthulfuego> odie5533: Use nautilus
[03:49] <vinux> andax, what's this esd?
[03:50] <calamari> I should probably get some cedr's to back up my stuff anyways :P
[03:50] <odie5533> I'm on Gnome
[03:50] <synd> _kaz: well its obviously a hardware issue.. dont know what else to tell you other than to tryto find the culprit?
[03:50] <cthulfuego> !esd is Enlightened Sound Daemon
[03:50] <bhartman> andax:  Thanks!  What is esd, and why did they plague my machine with it?? :)
[03:50] <synd> _kaz: did you do a google search?
[03:50] <ubotu> okay, cthulfuego
[03:50] <Speedy2> kvidell: Could you send me one more file?  I need libpci.so.2
[03:50] <vinux> cthulfuego, thanks
[03:50] <kevogod> They were shipped 2005-05-26
[03:50] <Speedy2> What's the command to find out what libraries an executable is linked against? ld?
[03:50] <andax> bhartman, too long to tell ... just kill it and you'll be fine :)
[03:50] <kevogod> They arrived today, 2005-06-14
[03:50] <_kaz> many.... biab
[03:51] <nern> hey
[03:51] <nern> i love beep media player
[03:51] <nern> but whenever i start playback it just sits there
[03:51] <kevogod> Although I placed my order like May 14th or something
[03:51] <ardob11> what's a good BT client that lists downloads and uploads rather than open new windows for each one?
[03:51] <Speedy2> err, ld is linker
[03:51] <synd> kevogod: i meant.. when did you originally order them?
[03:51] <nern> it hangs
[03:51] <nern> how can i fix this
[03:51] <calamari> nern: I edure bmp, I
[03:51] <cthulfuego> ubotu, no esd is Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously.
[03:51] <ubotu> cthulfuego: okay
[03:51] <Spug> nern: killall esd
[03:51] <bhartman> Thanks, andax . :))
[03:51] <synd> nern: killall esd
[03:51] <kevogod> ardob11: Azureus... although you'll need Java.
[03:51] <calamari> endure rather.. I'd love it if it would go to the system notification area when minimized
[03:51] <synd> nern: which audio output plugin is it using?
[03:51] <vinux> cthulfuego, thanks for the info on that
[03:51] <thechitowncubs> anto9us: Thanks for taking the time when I needed it :)
[03:52] <kevogod> synd: Like around May 14th, don't know exact date
[03:52] <nern> sec
[03:52] <anto9us> thechitowncubs: no problem :)
[03:52] <ardob11> it doesnt' work for me, I need to forward some ports and I don't have access to the firewall
[03:52] <synd> kevogod: ah ok
[03:52] <kevogod> synd: Check your order, it probably has shipped.
[03:52] <vinux> kevogod, I'm getting 10 cds in the mail
[03:52] <synd> kevogod: doing it right now
[03:53] <nern> YAY
[03:53] <cthulfuego> typical
[03:53] <nern> fixed it
[03:53] <nern> it was using oss by default
[03:53] <nern> i just had to set it to use ESD
[03:53] <Speedy2> Ok, I guess kvidell isn't around...can someone else DCC me their libpci.so.2 and run ldd on 'lspci' to see if I need anything else?
[03:53] <nern> :)
[03:53] <nern> thanks synd
[03:53] <ardob11> kevogod: it doesnt' work for me, I need to forward some ports and I don't have access to the firewall
[03:53] <nern> synd: i love you....
[03:53] <nern> synd: not in a gay way
[03:53] <synd> nern: no problem
[03:53] <andax> anyone knows how to enable the java plugin under any browser? /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins has the files "flashplayer.xpt  libflashplayer.so  libgcjwebplugin.so  libjavaplugin_oji.so" all with 777 , what else do I need?
[03:53] <nern> so long
[03:54] <cthulfuego> Speedy2: apt-get install --reinstall pciutils
[03:54] <synd> kevogod: nice! they were shipped 5/26
[03:54] <kevogod> I believe one design flaw with the CD design is the black text on red background for the install CD of x86.
[03:54] <Speedy2> cthulfuego: I don't have access to a Linux machine, I am troubleshooting the Ubuntu install
[03:54] <cthulfuego> Speedy2: Ftp the package
[03:55] <Speedy2> cthulfuego:  The package is a .deb, no?
[03:55] <andax> does linux really support java anyway? :) huh
[03:55] <cthulfuego> Speedy2: yes
[03:55] <synd> will they always have CDs for shipped for free?
[03:55] <kevogod> It's not too hard to read since I have decent eyes, but it probably would not be the best for those with bad eyes.
[03:55] <IcemanV9> andax: did you check this out? > http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[03:55] <Speedy2> cthulfuego:  Ok, I am having with the Ubuntu installer -- I have no Linux system to deal with .debs
[03:56] <cthulfuego> Speedy2: Eh
[03:56] <Speedy2> anto9us: Thank you very much! :)
[03:56] <cthulfuego> Speedy2: Aren't you *in* the installer?
[03:56] <anto9us> Speedy2: no problem :)
[03:56] <jr0129> everytime i run synaptics i get the following error message " Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic: Child terminated with 1 status" does anyone know what is going on?
[03:56] <Speedy2> cthulfuego: I am, right now, in Windows
[03:56] <vinux> IcemanV9, ack I was just going to tell him that :)
[03:56] <Speedy2> anto9us: If it is not much to ask, can you run 'ldd lspci' and let me know if any other libraries are needed?
[03:57] <synd> anyone listen to the TWiT podcast?
[03:57] <andax> IcemanV9, sure I did the only problem is that there is no such package named "sun-j2re1.5|
[03:57] <jr0129> ?
[03:57] <kevogod> synd: They will until Shuttleworth's billions run out.
[03:57] <IcemanV9> vinux: yep. unoffical, google and wiki are your best friends ;)
[03:57] <andax> so i downloaded the installer, copied the plugins to the plugins directory , gave em 777 and nothing happened
[03:57] <vinux> IcemanV9, :)
[03:57] <synd> kevogod: i see.
[03:58] <xiaogil> How to open a text file with the charset BIG5 with gedit used in terminal ?
[03:58] <IcemanV9> andax: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories - maybe that's why you didn't see it
[03:58] <bartekp> andax: java-package can create java .deb
[03:58] <andax> oh thanks
[03:59] <Speedy2> Can someone run 'ldd lspci' at a console and tell me if anything other than libpic.so.2 is needed?
[03:59] <anto9us> Speedy2: I ran it on /usr/lib/libpci.so.2 and it returned libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7eba000) and /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x80000000)
[03:59] <Speedy2> Ah
[04:00] <andax> IcemanV9, okay i have added multiverse, i had the others already included, still no package named "sun-j2re1.5"
[04:00] <andax> can you give me an ftp address or a link to the package?
[04:01] <bartekp> andax: java-packge it's script, you must download jre from sun and create .deb
[04:02] <Miks> mmm i changed the language of my ubuntu....and i also changed the language of the open office and firefox....how can i change it back to english?
[04:02] <bartekp> andax: make-jpkg
[04:02] <andax> bartekp, like I said I've already installed sun's stuff, how could I have "libjavaplugin_oji.so" in "/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins" ?
[04:02] <andax> but that just does not work
[04:04] <anto9us> night all :)
[04:04] <Speedy2> anto9us: Good night :)
[04:04] <vinux> nite anto9us
[04:05] <IcemanV9> andax: wow. ok. didn't see it here, too. anyhow, do you have this directory /usr/java/jrel1.5.0_02?
[04:06] <bartekp> andax: /where/is/java/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[04:06] <bartekp> andax: ln -s /where/is/java/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[04:06] <quam> where can you edit the gnome application menu? i've got kde installed as well, and i wanna get rid of the kde shit from the application menus
[04:06] <andax> sh-3.00# ls /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[04:06] <andax> flashplayer.xpt  libflashplayer.so  libgcjwebplugin.so  libjavaplugin_oji.so
[04:06] <andax> it's there....
[04:07] <synd> quam: System Tools > Menu Editor
[04:07] <bartekp> andax: it must be symbolic link, not copy
[04:07] <andax> and no, i don't have /usr/java/jre*
[04:07] <synd> quam: apt-get install smeg first
[04:07] <quam> heh, yeah, was about to say, not there :p
[04:07] <quam> thanks
[04:07] <IcemanV9> andax: AND /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[04:07] <vinux> Hey guys want to see something funny? http://media.ebaumsworld.com/wmv/napoleondynamitespellingbee.wmv
[04:07] <synd> quam: oops smeg and menu editor are 2 diff things i think..
[04:08] <andax> sh-3.00# ls /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[04:08] <andax> libgcjwebplugin.so  libjavaplugin_oji.so  libnullplugin.so
[04:08] <jr0129> when i try to sudo i get the message "makaveli (screenname) is not in the sudoers file" how would i resolve this
[04:08] <andax> so there is something really strange going on here :)
[04:08] <quam> synd: no such package :p
[04:08] <IcemanV9> hmm.. it's there, but like bartekp said it has to be symbolic link
[04:08] <bob2> jr0129: login as the first user who installed ubuntu.  run "sudo adduser makaveli admin"
[04:09] <synd> quam: is your sources.list correct?
[04:09] <jr0129> bob2: this is the only user that i have
[04:09] <andax> IcemanV9, symbolic link? okay... i can try that why not
[04:09] <bob2> jr0129: please tell me you didn't do an "Expert" install
[04:09] <quam> synd: should be, i have everything but the back shit
[04:09] <synd> quam: yeah, dont need the backports
[04:09] <jr0129> bob2: unfortunately yes i did due to the fact that i have to install grub on the root partition and not the mbr
[04:09] <bigbill52a> sometime it doesnt make the entry in sudoers
[04:09] <bob2> jr0129: oh well
[04:09] <synd> quam: smeg is in my repos
[04:10] <jr0129> bob2: oh well?
[04:10] <capi> what do I do with a .deb package?
[04:10] <jr0129> bob2: do u mean i have to reinstall?
[04:10] <bigbill52a> if you were asked for a root password, then it does not make the entry into sudoers...
[04:10] <quam> which repository synd?
[04:10] <bob2> jr0129: oh well, you presumably know the root password, so you can fix it yourself
[04:10] <synd> quam: not sure
[04:10] <synd> google smeg
[04:10] <jr0129> bob2: how do i fix it myself i don't know what to do?
[04:11] <bob2> jr0129: login as root. run the command I gave you.
[04:11] <jr0129> bob2: i can't login as root it won't let me run the login screen setup
[04:11] <bigbill52a> he can log in as root
[04:11] <KodeK> capi, dpkg -i <pkg>
[04:11] <bigbill52a> he cant
[04:11] <quam> synd: i enabled the backports, smeg is in there
[04:11] <bigbill52a> he has to start a terminal window
[04:11] <bigbill52a> su
[04:11] <bigbill52a> password
[04:11] <bigbill52a> and then gdmsetup
[04:11] <bigbill52a> and change gdmsetup so that he can login as root
[04:12] <bigbill52a> brb
[04:12] <synd> quam: odd
[04:12] <synd> quam: i must have gotten smeg when i had backports enabled
[04:12] <jr0129> bob2: i get the error "failed to run gdmsetup: child terminated with 1 status
[04:12] <bob2> jr0129: er, from a terminal
[04:12] <bob2> jr0129: don't run gdmsetu pthen
[04:12] <andax> okay it still doesn't work
[04:12] <bob2> jr0129: su from a user terminal
[04:12] <xiaogil> How to force the command cat to read a file with a given charset ?
[04:12] <quam> synd: well, hoary-extras, sorry, not hoary-backports
[04:12] <synd> oh.
[04:12] <jr0129> bob2: i can't su it won't let me it say i am not part of the sudoers
[04:12] <bob2> xiaogil: cat doesn't care at all about charsets
[04:13] <bob2> jr0129: read again.  "su", not "sudo"
[04:13] <andax> thanks for all the help, i'll be back in a few years i hope linux will keep evolving at this speed.... but till back to osx
[04:13] <penguinboy> can you apt-get shockwave???
[04:13] <bob2> no
[04:13] <xiaogil> bob2: and with gedit ?
[04:13] <Levine> hai
[04:13] <xjoelx> was the gstreamer mpeg2-dec not included with the hoary release?
[04:13] <bob2> xiaogil: no I idea, I use emacs
[04:14] <vinux> Wow this is the funniest thing i've ever seen!!!!! --> http://media.ebaumsworld.com/portapotty.wmv
[04:14] <jr0129> bob2: when i run the command adduser makaveli admin it says that the groub admin does not exist
[04:14] <xiaogil> bob2: so, with emacs ?
[04:15] <bob2> jr0129: admins then
[04:16] <TokenBad> ok this is getting old
[04:16] <bob2> vinux: try #offtopic, please, we can all browse ebaumsworld ourselves...
[04:16] <TokenBad> last 2 times i went afk
[04:16] <jr0129> bob2: admins doesn't exist either
[04:16] <TokenBad> I come back and x-chat is closed
[04:16] <bob2> jr0129: oh man
[04:16] <bob2> jr0129: then just edit /etc/sudoers and add yourself
[04:16] <vinux> bob2, oh sorry just thought it was funny
[04:17] <bob2> I'm 99.99% sure you didn't need to "expert" install, tho
[04:17] <kvidell> jr0129: are you using the alpha release?
[04:17] <bob2> jr0129: rob     ALL=(ALL) ALL
[04:17] <bob2> jr0129: you want a line like that
[04:17] <kvidell> They didn't start using the "admins" group trick until after the final release
[04:17] <TokenBad> any ideas about why x-chat would close?
[04:17] <jr0129> kvidell: i have no clue
[04:17] <kvidell> hm, k
[04:17] <jr0129> bob2: could it possible be adm
[04:20] <Miks> if i translated openoffice and firefox to another language..how can i switch it back to english?
[04:20] <^thehatsrule^> Miks, i would assume so
[04:22] <eruin> anyone else having trouble with dbus crashing?
[04:22] <TokenBad> no but I am having trouble with x-chat
[04:23] <synd> dpkg -i <.deb> to install .deb files, correct?
[04:24] <Xenguy> synd: prepend sudo
[04:24] <synd> course
[04:28] <TokenBad> anyone have had problems with x-chat closing when you are afk?
[04:30] <newbhie> hi everyone
[04:31] <vinux> TokenBad, not yet :)
[04:31] <joaquinz> does anybody know where can i find the splashy project home page?
[04:31] <joaquinz> or how is the called now?
[04:31] <manitoba98xp> Does anyone have experience with madwifi?
[04:32] <manitoba98xp> I'm trying, but I'm getting an error
[04:32] <TokenBad> its weird..it will stay on..and then if I go afk for like hours
[04:32] <TokenBad> and come back its closed
[04:32] <TokenBad> and no error msg
[04:32] <newbhie> how can i change the default filebrowser in Hoary?
[04:32] <abarbaccia> hey guys - i have a daemon i need to run from bootup - i added a script to the init.d folder and ran update-rc.d with the correct values but it seems like its getting killed every time
[04:32] <abarbaccia> i have the script echo output so i know its running but the daemons never survive
[04:33] <GMAN2003> alright, i need help
[04:33] <GMAN2003> hello, anybody here
[04:33] <manitoba98xp> i'm here
[04:33] <vinux> GMAN2003, me too
[04:34] <newbhie> but you need to be specific with ur problem GMAN
[04:34] <manitoba98xp> can any1 help me with madwifi?
[04:34] <newbhie> google how to ask the smart way?
[04:34] <joaquinz> ??
[04:34] <joaquinz> helloo :P ?
[04:35] <GMAN2003> well anyone know how to install an RPM package?
[04:35] <GMAN2003> im brand new to linux
[04:35] <^thehatsrule^> GMAN2003, for ubuntu?
[04:35] <matjan_> hi, every time i boot, i see the following error: "ror: temporary failure in name resolution", what does this mean?
[04:35] <^thehatsrule^> you should get .deb's if possible
[04:35] <^thehatsrule^> if not, use alien-debs
[04:35] <newbhie> gman use alien to convert rpm to deb
[04:35] <newbhie> man alien
[04:36] <GMAN2003> alien being???
[04:36] <joaquinz> does anybody know where can i find the splashy project home page?
[04:36] <joaquinz> or how is the called now?
[04:36] <joaquinz> ??
[04:36] <newbhie> wat do u mean joaquins
[04:36] <kevogod> You will probably have to explain more to him as he is BRAND SPANKIN' NEW to Linux.
[04:36] <nalioth> GMAN2003: use "alien"
[04:37] <kevogod> nalioth: That means nothing to him.
[04:37] <newbhie> gman alien converts packages to anything u want..
[04:37] <GMAN2003> right, ive got ubuntu, just installed, is alien an app i have to add somwehere else
[04:37] <nalioth> GMAN2003: open a terminal and type "man alien"
[04:37] <newbhie> nope, its already installed "tab alien" in ur console.
[04:38] <kevogod> Tell him how to open up a Terminal.
[04:38] <GMAN2003> nah im there
[04:38] <nomasteryoda> glad you made it Linux GMAN2003
[04:38] <newbhie> type "alien --help"
[04:38] <newbhie> or "man alien"
[04:38] <caonex> i installed ubuntu from knoppix and forgot to assign a passwd to root, how can i reset it? do i have to boot knoppix again?
[04:39] <kevogod> K, well I have done support for a few apps and you have to assume the person knows nothing about anything.
[04:39] <GMAN2003> well ive got the manual up, so will read through
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> caonex, there is not one
[04:39] <nalioth> caonex: ubuntu doesnt use 'root' account
[04:39] <caonex> nalioth, it does not?
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> you "sudo"
[04:39] <GMAN2003> yeah, i do tech support for cctv and other software apps, first time running linux
[04:39] <caonex> nomasteryoda, i have ubuntu in my computer and i have a root
[04:39] <GMAN2003> trying to install apps beyond the stuff in the addremove
[04:39] <newbhie> gman2003 welcome to linux...
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> it uses the first user on the machine as admin
[04:39] <kevogod> caonex: It uses the Mac OS X model to explain in simpler terms.
[04:39] <nomasteryoda> caonex, you must have changed it
[04:40] <caonex> kev0r, what about root terminal?
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> i mean from the normal
[04:40] <nomasteryoda> your password
[04:40] <caonex> i have a user not in sudoers apparently
[04:40] <caonex> nomasteryoda, it does not work
[04:40] <nalioth> caonex: ubuntu uses "sudo" to keep utter n00bs (and others who think they're infallible) from 'shooting off their feet'
[04:40] <GMAN2003> is a zip format better?
[04:41] <newbhie> caonex read ubuntuguide that would help u.
[04:41] <nalioth> GMAN2003: for what purpose?
[04:41] <pulaski> I just learned of ubuntu, can anyone tell me how its related to Debian?
[04:41] <newbhie> gman i suggest u use 7zip if u like.
[04:41] <kevogod> Ubuntu is a derivative of Debian.
[04:42] <GMAN2003> well im just trying to install limewire
[04:42] <GMAN2003> learning all the different packages and whatnot
[04:42] <matjan_> anyone check my question?
[04:42] <pulaski> Thank you kevogod, but what does that mean? does ubunto have apt-get or dpkg?
[04:42] <GMAN2003> whats the best way you guys install all of your apps?
[04:42] <newbhie> pulaski Ubuntu is based on Debian, which install debian the easy way.
[04:42] <Miks> does somebody know how to translate firefox and openoffice to another language?
[04:42] <newbhie> gman dpkg and synapti.
[04:42] <newbhie> synaptic*
[04:43] <mebaran151> Miks, i18n
[04:43] <mebaran151> dll those packs
[04:43] <mebaran151> how to make one
[04:43] <mebaran151> is a little bit more involved
[04:43] <Miks> il8n?
[04:43] <mebaran151> do a search in synaptic for i18n
[04:43] <Miks> ok
[04:43] <Miks> thanks a lot
[04:43] <wirjo> can anyone teach me how to schedule tasks in Ubuntu?
[04:43] <newbhie> gman also apt-get
[04:43] <mebaran151> you will see like firefox-language-pakc-de too
[04:43] <caonex> nalioth, well i guess i ran root terminal and did passwd, hehe
[04:44] <Miks> my problem is that i changed it to spanish..and now i want it back to english
[04:44] <caonex> nalioth, i rather have root, is more secure
[04:44] <GMAN2003> yeah, i wish i could type in apt-get limewire
[04:44] <mebaran151> gman it would be apt-get install limewire
[04:44] <newbhie> caonex, root is dangerous for a newbhie like us.
[04:44] <pulaski> newbhie, thank you.  IMHO those are the killer apps of the century.
[04:44] <nalioth> caonex: whatever you desire, it is YOUR machine
[04:45] <wirjo> does anyone know how to schedule tasks?
[04:45] <mebaran151> wirjo in anacron
[04:45] <newbhie> specially "rm -rf *" which is not alias in default Ubuntu installation.
[04:45] <mebaran151> somewhere
[04:45] <GMAN2003> the only thing im having problems with is installing appz, getting annoying
[04:45] <nalioth> GMAN2003: use gtk-gnutella (limewire leaves much to be desired)
[04:45] <wirjo> mebaran151 - can you teach me step by step?
[04:45] <newbhie> wirjo "man cron or at"
[04:45] <Opetsssss> please help me
[04:45] <mebaran151> wirjo
[04:45] <mebaran151> I have never actually done it
[04:45] <nalioth> GMAN2003: use synaptic
[04:45] <Rockret> does anyone knows if ubuntu works with pentium MMX 233 and 98 Mb Ram ?
[04:46] <pulaski> Thank you all, cya ....
[04:46] <newbhie> it work if you does'nt use GNOME use XFCE rather
[04:46] <abarbaccia> Rockret, ram is a bit low - possibly not because gnome is a little heavy for that ram level -
[04:46] <newbhie> ROckret
[04:46] <Rockret> and ?
[04:47] <Rockret> any guidelines ?
[04:47] <newbhie> rockret u can also use fluxbox...
[04:47] <joaquinz> does anybody know where can i find the splashy project home page?
[04:47] <joaquinz> or how is the called now?
[04:47] <newbhie> or "xinit"
[04:47] <GMAN2003> nalioth, so there are like at least a dozen different synaptic architectures to install, what does that mean? different linux versions
[04:47] <Rockret> came with cd instalation ? fluxbox ?
[04:47] <kvidell> hm.. generally, how hard is it to port software from windows to linux?
[04:47] <kvidell> I want Foobar2000 >.>
[04:47] <newbhie> nope apt-get
[04:47] <Pauly> What was the command to see what is using a device?
[04:47] <wirjo> newbhie - ive tried both cron and at, but it still doesnt work
[04:47] <bionic> Can anyone help me build the lufs module for the standard Ubuntu 5.04 kernel? Detected Linux kernel sources "/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build" do not appear to be valid, and it complains i do not have the headers installed. But I do. Appreciate it.
[04:48] <Rockret> how much swap I need put .. with 98 Ram ?
[04:48] <Rockret> swap-file
[04:48] <abarbaccia> doulbe it is a good way to go
[04:48] <kvidell> Rockret: rule of thumb is swap should be double your ram up to 16 gigs
[04:48] <TokenBad> is there a good plugin for xmms that post playing songs to x-chat?
[04:48] <wirjo> newbhie - the task is recorded when i did crontab -l and atq - but it didnt execute the command
[04:48] <kvidell> or whatever you think you'll need
[04:48] <abarbaccia> kvidell, unless you are running multiple processors, you never have 8GB of ram in one system
[04:49] <nalioth> GMAN2003: synaptic (to my knowledge) is only one program
[04:49] <kvidell> TokenBad: >.>
[04:49] <kvidell> or you run a mac
[04:49] <nalioth> GMAN2003: you use it to install other programs
[04:49] <GMAN2003> so apparently my ubuntu already has synaptic nalioth
[04:49] <newbhie> u should google coz i havent tried to schedule, i just new to linux also.
[04:49] <GMAN2003> when i type that in, it says i already have and wont upgrade
[04:49] <GMAN2003> so now how do i use synaptic?
[04:49] <TokenBad> kvidell, ??
[04:49] <Rockret> kurumin distro do not install with 98 Mb ram
[04:49] <abarbaccia> kvidell, not sure about PPC but i know x86 can only address 4Gb with 32 bit processors
[04:49] <kvidell> TokenBad: apt-get install xmms-infopipe
[04:49] <Rockret> let me see .. ubuntu
[04:50] <kvidell> ppc is up to 8 gigs on single and dual G5, though they don't really sell single G5 towers anymore
[04:50] <newbhie> gman if u just search the package then download it then "dpkg -i package".
[04:50] <TokenBad> ok once get that is there an icon or something type in x-chat?
[04:50] <kvidell> TokenBad: That isn't EXACTLY what you want, but with a little sed/awk trickery
[04:50] <kvidell> nope
[04:50] <kvidell> it's a terminal app
[04:50] <kvidell> it pipes info
[04:50] <kvidell> you hvae to shape it yourself
[04:51] <kvidell> it's the only thing I personally know of to do it
[04:51] <TokenBad> um....ok
[04:51] <nalioth> GMAN2003: System > Administration > Synaptic Package Mangler
[04:51] <shad0w1e> anyone here know how to "clear out" my amaroK music collection???
[04:51] <Pauly> What was the command to see what is using a device?
[04:51] <abarbaccia> shad0w1e, delete the .amarok folder in your home
[04:51] <abarbaccia> shad0w1e, it'll make amarok as if it were run for the 1st time
[04:51] <shad0w1e> abarbaccia,  is that really the best way?
[04:51] <shad0w1e> every time I delete an album I need to do that?
[04:52] <abarbaccia> shad0w1e, oh no!
[04:52] <abarbaccia> shad0w1e, all you need to do is update the collection - scan the folders again
[04:52] <shad0w1e> well I deleted about 50 albums
[04:52] <shad0w1e> oh
[04:52] <shad0w1e> itll remove missing stuff as well as add new stufF?
[04:52] <newbhie> does anyone know to change the default filebrowser in Hoary?
[04:53] <abarbaccia> indeed
[04:53] <shad0w1e> ok I just realized what happened. I moved my deleted stuff elsewhere
[04:53] <shad0w1e> and it was still picking it up...
[04:53] <shad0w1e> thats what happened!
[04:53] <shad0w1e> well abarbaccia , thanks!
[04:54] <abarbaccia> n p - i guess
[04:54] <nalioth> newbhie: System > Preferences > Preferred Applications
[04:55] <newbhie> does anyone know to change the default filebrowser in Hoary? I want to use the use app/tool/file-browser as the default.
[04:55] <newbhie> nalioth is that it
[04:55] <nalioth> newbhie: have you tried it?
[04:56] <newbhie> how about in Gconf editor? Can i do it...
[04:56] <newbhie> nope
[04:56] <GMAN2003> nalioth, so how would i install gtk-gnutella?
[04:56] <nalioth> newbhie: i know nothing about gconf
[04:56] <newbhie> ok thanks...
[04:56] <nalioth> GMAN2003: start synaptic and click the search (& then use it) or scroll down to the "G" section and start lookin
[04:56] <dbxl> i spent all night trying to get java to work in firefox lol
[04:56] <fr500> newbhie, you don't need Gconf
[04:56] <GMAN2003> not there
[04:57] <fr500> newbie, open  open the regular browser
[04:57] <GMAN2003> a lot of GTK-***********
[04:57] <abcd> i have a question about media types, someone could help me?
[04:57] <fr500> newbie and go to it's preferences
[04:57] <dbxl> i just dont have time for getting obvious stuff that should already be working
[04:57] <visor> abcd: what question?
[04:57] <GMAN2003> just not gnutella
[04:57] <bionic> How do i install the kernel source on default ubuntu 5.04?
[04:57] <fr500> there is an "always open in browser windows"
[04:57] <newbhie> fr500 because i want to set it as mandatory to all users.
[04:57] <nalioth> GMAN2003: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats   enable universe and multiverse
[04:57] <fr500> newbhie, no clue then
[04:57] <fr500> sorry
[04:58] <dbxl> we need a linux distro where everything works right outta the box
[04:58] <newbhie> fr500 ur right i use to "right-click" to use file-browser.
[04:58] <abcd> visor, ubuntu came with mp3,avi,mpg and other media plugins?
[04:58] <newbhie> dbxl ubuntu and kubuntu works for you...
[04:58] <fr500> newbhie, in preferences, there is an "always use browser windows" or something
[04:58] <dbxl> no it doesnt
[04:59] <visor> abcd: no, because of legal issues that is impossible (to put in the distribution the codecs) but yet you can install them
[04:59] <newbhie> but if you like u can use Debian Sarge?
[04:59] <dbxl> like i said, i tried all night to get java working in firefox
[04:59] <abarbaccia> anybody really good with linux active that can help me with this: register_chrdev failed
[04:59] <nalioth> abcd: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats   enable universe and multiverse
[04:59] <levander> What's the name of the application that preloads libraries for you? Making loading applications faster?
[04:59] <visor> abcd: www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> prelink
[04:59] <HrdwrBoB> ?
[04:59] <newbhie> thanks fr500 i'll try that
[04:59] <abcd> thanks
[04:59] <levander> HrdwrBoB: thanks
[04:59] <fr500> newbhie, that is per user though
[04:59] <dbxl> been there done that, debian unofficial directions dont work
[04:59] <visor> levander: prelink... take care when using it
[05:00] <nalioth> brb
[05:00] <newbhie> fr500 maybe i should research on Gconf.
[05:00] <levander> visor: is it a mess to use?
[05:00] <fr500> i think gconf is per user too
[05:00] <fr500> but i'm not sure
[05:00] <dbxl> been googling all night to try and find directions that work
[05:00] <ezequiel> hi ppl
[05:00] <visor> levander: no it is not, as long as you dont update or upgrade packages then trouble comes...
[05:00] <fr500> dbxl, do java apps work?
[05:00] <fr500> dbxl, like desktop apps or azureus?
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[05:00] <visor> levander: because you have to "prelink" everything again
[05:01] <dbxl> i just want java in my browser, something that should already be working
[05:01] <ezequiel> I'm getting a 'unable to lookup magi via gethostbyname()' (the hostname of my pc is set to magi)
[05:01] <ezequiel> how can I fix this?
[05:01] <newbhie> dbxl have you tried to add plugins in firefox...
[05:01] <visor> levander: what i did however, was to only prelink OpenOffice...
[05:01] <levander> visor: mmmm, maybe i'll write a script to prelink all the stuff I want prelinked?
[05:01] <dbxl> lol
[05:01] <abarbaccia> dbxl, check www.ubuntuguide.org
[05:01] <dbxl> ubuntu has blocked java
[05:01] <levander> visor: yeah, i don't want to prelink everything, like maybe four apps
[05:01] <fr500> abarbaccia, that doesnt work
[05:01] <dbxl> i think ill go with a distro that works
[05:01] <newbhie> i think java is not yet well supported in linux... i guess
[05:02] <dbxl> ubuntu isnt it
[05:02] <fr500> abarbaccia, the early version did
[05:02] <fr500> dbxl, java is not part of any linux
[05:02] <visor> levander: you can safely, just make sure next time you update that app you prelink it again... i dont know if you know what prelink does...
[05:02] <dbxl> i dont care what its part of, a browser without java support is not a browser at all
[05:02] <levander> visor: i only have vague idea about it modifying libaries to make them faster to load
[05:02] <bionic> How do i install the kernel source on default ubuntu 5.04?  Please anyone?
[05:02] <visor> dbxl: you want java in firefox?
[05:03] <abcd> ubuntu doesn't came with a manual configure for alsa? alsaconf
[05:03] <kenny> hey all, could I get some help?
[05:03] <mcking> hey all
[05:03] <fr500> dbxl, windows does not have it out of the box
[05:03] <dbxl> i want a distro that i dont have to fuck with for 2 weeks in order to get it to do the things i need it to do
[05:03] <mcking> kenny: sup
[05:03] <levander> visor: so, updating works fine, the only problem is when those prelinked libraries get updated, they are no longer prelinked?
[05:03] <newbhie> dbxl try to research on...google is your bestfriend...
[05:03] <vile_> i'm looking to use my computer as a gateway for another computer to use to connect to the internet, i've tried http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ShareInternetConnection/ but it doesnt seem to work
[05:03] <kenny> Here's my problem
[05:03] <jj123> hey I'm having problem installing vorbis-tools cause I don't have the dependencies libcurl3 and libidn11 is there anyway I can get these so vorbis will work?
[05:03] <dbxl> ive been in google all night long
[05:03] <dbxl> later
[05:04] <visor> levander: it kind's of copy symbols or code blocks to the aplications, so an app called foo uses a library called foo.so then prelink looks for the code in foo.so to kind of add it to the app so it loads faster
[05:04] <kenny> I just installed Ubuntu and when I go into the device manager it shows the wireless card, but it doesn't actualyl show the adapter as one of the connection under network tools
[05:04] <bartekp> visor: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1
[05:04] <newbhie> dbxl try to post to other forums and have your tried to goto tldp.org?
[05:04] <mcking> kenny: what kind of card?
[05:04] <bartekp> visor: sorry
[05:04] <bartekp> vile_: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1
[05:04] <levander> visor: but updating still works fine right? your updated app is just no longer prelinked?
[05:05] <visor> bartekp: no problem
[05:05] <kenny> the vendor is dell, the chipset is broadcom
[05:05] <mcking> kenny: what chipset does it say the card uses (from device manager
[05:05] <nalioth> jj123: HOW are you tryin to install?
[05:05] <kenny> BCM4306
[05:05] <visor> levander: exactly, so if you update packages then the binaries will be overwritten with the new ones which have been no prelinked
[05:06] <levander> visor: oh, i see what your saying, if an app is dependent upon the library, and the library gets updated, then your app is linked to the old un-updated library?
[05:06] <visor> levander: and sometimes that makes problems, even apps not opening, so you have to do that each time you update stuff
[05:06] <vile_> bartekp, am i going to have do do that every time i restart the computer
[05:06] <mcking> kenny: most broadcom chips don't have linux drivers (broadcom policy), so you will proll have to use ndiswrapper.
[05:06] <levander> visor: yech, that does sound like it could get messy
[05:06] <darius___> I like little boys
[05:06] <bartekp> vile_: you can make startup script d-;
[05:07] <levander> visor: how much faster did openoffice startup after you did this?
[05:07] <newbhie> 1min for me.
[05:07] <kenny> ok, here's the thing, dell sends out their drivers in .exes that get unpacked
[05:07] <mcking> kenny: apt-get the ndiswrapper-utils from universe
[05:08] <kenny> ubuntu comes with the ndiswrapper, at least I found it on my comp
[05:08] <kenny> how can I get the driver from the exe?
[05:08] <newbhie> does anyone know to change the default filebrowser in Hoary using Gconf? I want to use the use app/tool/file-browser as the default.
[05:08] <mcking> kenny: ok, now you need to find the drivers.  can you run the installer on a windows machine?
[05:08] <levander> kenny: run the exe? it is probably self extracting
[05:09] <GMAN2003> nalioth, thanks for the hlep!!!!  frickin sweet!
[05:09] <kenny> right, i just tried double clicking it and it says something about not being able to dislay it
[05:09] <pestilence> kenny: unzip the exe
[05:09] <fr500> kenny, unzip filename.exe in a console works
[05:09] <kenny> you know what, I'll figure it out, thanks
[05:09] <kenny> oh
[05:09] <fr500> kenny, ndiswrapper related?
[05:09] <levander> newbhie: app -> tool -> file browser is really nautilus, which is the default hoary file browser
[05:09] <kenny> yea
[05:10] <kenny> dell has its drivers in .exe
[05:10] <fr500> besides unzipping drivers, any other issues?
[05:10] <bartekp> kenny: "file driver.exe" may be it is zip or rar
[05:10] <mcking> kenny: you can't run it in linux.  if it is a self unzipping exe you might try unzipping it
[05:10] <fr500> just run unzip filename.exe
[05:10] <GMAN2003> NALIOTH, THANKS AGAIN, NICE LINK, LETS ME INSTALL ANYTHING NOW
[05:10] <levander> why are yall putting windows drivers on a linux box?
[05:10] <nalioth> GMAN2003: np, i'm here to help
[05:10] <nomasteryoda> kenny, if it is stricktly a windows binary, you can run with
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> wine file.exe
[05:11] <nalioth> levander: to watch filthy windows codec encoded pR0n
[05:11] <nomasteryoda> i did that for a dell binary broadcom drivers
[05:11] <newbhie> levander every time i open a folder it uses a file browser which does'nt look like nautilus?
[05:11] <mcking> levander: because he has a card that doesn't have a linux driver
[05:12] <mcking> i use netgear ndis drivers for my acx111-based cards
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> levander, you have to "wrap" the drivers with ndiswrapper... lots of laptops come with such crappy wifi nics
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> but at least they work...
[05:12] <nomasteryoda> with the ndiswrapper
[05:12] <Pauly> what does ndiswrapper do?
[05:13] <bartekp> mcking: acx100.sf.net
[05:13] <caonex> i wrote my /etc/fstab and i have 3 partitions in one hard drive hda2 hda5 hda6 i did /dev/hda5       /mnt/hda5       vfat user,exec,rw,umask=000     0       0
[05:13] <caonex>  for both hda5 and hda6, but there seems to be a conflict, should i put 0 1 for one of them?
[05:13] <nomasteryoda> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/
[05:13] <rds> hi guys I'm having some probems with mplayer - I've followed the guide at http://ubuntuguide.org and installed all the neccessary packages however it will not actually open movies for viewing - I've tried running it from the console and there doesn't seem to be a explanation
[05:13] <Pauly> thx
[05:13] <mcking> bartekp: yeah, but the firmware doesn't work on hoary.  the acx drives come default on hoary
[05:13] <Pauly> Awwww, only for network cards:/
[05:14] <mcking> bartekp: i had to alias acx111 off to get ndiswrapper to work
[05:14] <newbhie> rds what does it say? does it need plugins?
[05:14] <rds> I ran "sudo atp-get -t hoaray install mplayer-586 mplayer-fonts
[05:14] <Pauly> How would I install fonts from my windows?:)
[05:14] <mcking> Pauly: ndis is MS api for network cards. ndis wrapper emulates that
[05:15] <Pauly> Yeah, I was thinking maybe it handled all drivers:P
[05:15] <Pauly> but *shrugs*
[05:15] <TokenBad> whats command to get tcl installed...apt-get install what?
[05:16] <Unintentional> Question: I want to set up my linux box as a WebMail server that basically takes e-mail from an IMAP account and from a POP3 account, puts them in folders based on a set of rules, then lets me access this sorted inbox via an exchange-like WebMail.  is there any program that could do this?
[05:17] <fr500> Unintentional, i think you need to forward mail from your other accounts for that to wok
[05:18] <Unintentional> TokenBad: probably tcl8.4
[05:18] <newbhie> thanks guys i think i solve my problem...ubuntu forum is the answer.
[05:18] <newbhie> gtg
[05:18] <TokenBad> k
[05:19] <newbhie> see you soon...
[05:19] <Madpilot> hi all
[05:19] <mcking> TokenBad: apt-cache search tcl
[05:19] <Unintentional> I can't just have it periodically access the server?  I mean, I presently use Outlook to gather mail from all my mail accounts, it just doesn't have a webmail front-end.
[05:20] <_nate__> could anyone help me with configuring vsftpd?  I have a few questions about users
[05:20] <mcking> TokenBad: or use synaptic to tell which on comes from main
[05:20] <Fr0Gs> i got some stuff in the trash and i cant delete it you do not have permission to delete its parent folder
[05:20] <visor> have you people used ubuntu backports, are they _stable_ ?
[05:20] <Deffy> Hi
[05:20] <TokenBad> hmm
[05:20] <TokenBad> weird
[05:20] <TokenBad> it says 8.4 is installed
[05:20] <pestilence> Unintentional: have you looked at fetchmail/procmail?
[05:21] <deshantm> nate, what questions?
[05:21] <benplaut> visor: most people use them... yes, they are stable
[05:21] <TokenBad> but when try to compile a eggdrop
[05:21] <pestilence> Unintentional: i don't know if fetchmail does imap, but it certainly does POP3
[05:21] <nalioth> visor: backports have shifty quality control
[05:21] <TokenBad> it says its not
[05:21] <TokenBad> or not found
[05:21] <Deffy> listen I have had a problem that is really irritating me to the point of just going back to Windows
[05:21] <Fr0Gs> i got some stuff in the trash and i cant delete it you do not have permission to delete its parent folder can someone help me
[05:21] <nalioth> visor: backports can buggle your upgradeability
[05:21] <Lafitte-> how do i make a script executable ?
[05:21] <visor> nalioth: actually i dont have any problems with the software bundled by default, but i want to update beagle...
[05:22] <_nate__> does vsftpd only allow for local logins (using /etc/passwd) and anonymous logins?  Or can I add virtual users for only the ftpd?
[05:22] <pestilence> Unintentional: it definitely supports IMAP.  see http://www.catb.org/~esr/fetchmail/
[05:22] <visor> Lafitte-: "chmod +x file"
[05:22] <_nate__> and if so, how do i set it up?
[05:22] <IcemanV9> well, Deffy - explain your problem, then maybe one of us can help ya
[05:22] <Lafitte-> visor,  ty
[05:22] <fr500> Fr0Gs, open a terminal, enter the trash directory, sudo rm -rf *
[05:22] <Deffy> For the past few days I've been trying to get my USB WIFI thingy to work with ubuntu, but so far I havent
[05:22] <fr500> _nate__, both work
[05:22] <nalioth> visor: don't use backports or beagle (after my box wouldnt upgrade properly)
[05:22] <Deffy> gotten it to work
[05:22] <fr500> you gotta read the manual
[05:22] <fr500> Deffy, what card?
[05:22] <visor> Lafitte-: you can always right-click the file and in properties change its atributtes in nautilus too :)
[05:23] <Xenguy> Fr0Gs: be very careful with that command
[05:23] <Lafitte-> visor,  i get denied to run that   cant figure out why
[05:23] <nalioth> Fr0Gs: make very sure you are in the trash dir, too
[05:23] <Fr0Gs> fr500, wheres the trash directory located
[05:23] <fr500> Fr0Gs, yes, otherwise you'll hate me
[05:23] <visor> Lafitte-: maybe you are not the owner, try "sudo chmod +x file"
[05:23] <Xenguy> Fr0Gs: it will recursively delete everything in its path
[05:23] <fr500> at your home
[05:23] <_nate__> fr500, i read the man page and it never specifies that you can only use anonymous and local, and I really wanted to know if you could create virtual users
[05:23] <fr500> just write cd .Trash
[05:23] <wulfepup> Ok.. so what are some generic reasons that my ath0 would be ridiculously slow under U but normal speed under WinXP in an Ad-Hoc set up?
[05:23] <visor> nalioth: i dont have serious problems with beagle neither, do you?
[05:23] <benplaut> nalioth: still good to use backports for things like firefox, or the new version of Xchat...
[05:23] <Deffy> not a card, it's a Belkin 802.11g Wireless USB Adaptor, Model F5D7050
[05:24] <fr500> Deffy, same thing :p
[05:24] <fr500> Deffy, pm me
[05:24] <Fr0Gs> thanks :)
[05:24] <nalioth> visor: i don't know what beagle is, much less use it
[05:24] <Lafitte-> visor,  the root user cant use it   not set in permision
[05:24] <_nate__> fr500, any idea if its possible?
[05:24] <nalioth> benplaut: why? ubuntu archives has the newest firefox and such
[05:24] <visor> Lafitte-: then who is the owner of the file? :S
[05:24] <nalioth> benplaut: if you want the latest, compile it yourself (it's not that diffecult)
[05:24] <Lafitte-> visor,  root is
[05:25] <visor> nalioth: beagle is the search engine from ximian, thats what it is, very useful
[05:25] <Chicago60657> i need to install lame so i can play mp3 on ubuntu....i don't have internet access under linux at the moment, so i need to either download the .deb or compile from scratch...i'm not too experienced at either so advice / wiki pointers would be appreciated
[05:25] <fr500> _nate__, i'm pretty sure it works, but i don't use vsftpd much
[05:25] <BROKEN_LADDER> this is off the topic, but have any of you guys ever moved and had stuff shipped that you couldn't take?  what's a cheap way to do that?
[05:25] <Lafitte-> visor,  but i cant add execute to it
[05:25] <mcking> benplaut: why do you need the newest firefox (security patch in the current)
[05:25] <benplaut> nalioth: for the average user (like me), it's less of a hassle to just use backports, etc
[05:25] <visor> Lafitte-: root can always change permission in files
[05:25] <Lafitte-> visor,  oh  cant in my user     but maybe in terminal
[05:25] <benplaut> mcking: compiled with GCC4, so loads alot faster
[05:25] <Lafitte-> visor,  i dont know command  let me go read
[05:26] <kalias> mcking: Hey :)  I didn't get a chance to say thanks last night for your help :)
[05:26] <nalioth> benplaut: as long as you are aware the qc is not controlled, and the versioning can bungle your upgradeability
[05:26] <mcking> kalias: no prob
[05:26] <wulfepup> Hrrrmmmm  correction.. the slow part is the DNS I believe....
[05:26] <visor> Lafitte-: open a terminal, then go the directory to where the file is, then do "sudo chmod +x file" without the quotes of course, and replace file with the filename :P
[05:26] <kalias> mcking: everything is working great!!
[05:26] <wulfepup> That I think I can fix.
[05:26] <Madpilot> quick question: should my CD drives be "owned" by root?
[05:27] <caonex> anybody knows what is the dumps and pass in /etc/fstab?
[05:27] <Unintentional> pestilence: thanks.  do you know if anything does RSS?
[05:27] <Chicago60657> i need to install lame so i can play mp3 on ubuntu....i don't have internet access under linux at the moment, so i need to either download the .deb or compile from scratch...i'm not too experienced at either so advice / wiki pointers would be appreciated
[05:27] <caonex> caonex, does it have to be different between partitions of same hard drive?
[05:27] <visor> caonex: the fsck priority and check option i think
[05:27] <nalioth> Chicago60657: if you dont have internet, how are you gonna d/l the deb or source?
[05:27] <caonex> visor, so does not matter if i put all 0?
[05:27] <benplaut> nalioth: (that didn't make sense... i think i understood)... i only use Backports to update individual programs, such as Firefox or Xchat... the GNOME or kernel components, i leave be
[05:27] <Chicago60657> under windoze
[05:27] <cthulfuego> Hmm, I compiled some stuff with gcc4 too and it doesn't make one iota of difference.
[05:27] <mcking> Madpilot: the cdrom drives are symlinks to the actual device, which should be owned by root:cdrom
[05:28] <transgress> anyone know what happened to pymusique?
[05:28] <visor> caonex: yes, at least put 1 on the root filesystem so it gets checked if a "hard reboot" happens (which happens when losing electrical power or such"
[05:28] <Madpilot> mcking: OK, just checking. Neither of my CD drives are auto-mounting anymore, so I'm trying to check their settings...
[05:28] <mcking> Madpilot: ah
[05:28] <IcemanV9> Chicago60657: it is fairly easy to set up the access to the internet, then you can d/l whatever you need
[05:28] <caonex> visor, ok
[05:28] <nalioth> Chicago60657: under windoze, down the source and compile it (dont forget the checkinstall)
[05:29] <visor> caonex: "man fstab" ;)
[05:29] <mcking> Madpilot: is you user in the right group?
[05:29] <Lafitte-> visor,  helps if dont -x the file  rofl
[05:29] <Madpilot> mcking: I think so. Everything else still works - Synaptic, sudo, etc
[05:29] <misfit-toy> the only remaining thing for me is my cdrom is not working ...I mean I installed from it, so I know it's good, but I can't play any cd's from it nor browse it...any ideas?
[05:30] <TokenBad> ok...I try to install eggdrop and it says can't find tcl and wants a couple files....I found one and then it ask for one called something like tcl.h
[05:30] <Chicago60657> nalioth: ok...i'll compile from source (figured that's how it would go down).  any special instructions?  like checkinstall?  not too experienced with installing form source
[05:30] <TokenBad> I did a locate for that file name and nothing
[05:30] <pestilence> Unintentional: not sure about rss.
[05:30] <Fr0Gs> i installed freedos by "apt-get install freedos" were does it install to
[05:30] <nalioth> Chicago60657: google checkinstall and download its source, too
[05:30] <mcking> Madpilot: go to the users and groups app in the system->admin menu and make sure that the "access cdrom drives" and "can use external drives immediately" boxes are checked
[05:30] <cthulfuego> rss what?
[05:31] <Chicago60657> ok
[05:31] <IcemanV9> Unintentional: firefox does rss ... is that what you're looking for?
[05:31] <mcking> Madpilot: also make sure gnome-volume-manager is running
[05:31] <JDahl> Fr0Gs, dpkg -L freedos
[05:31] <nalioth> Chicago60657: checkinstall is used in place of "make install". It makes debs and installes them for easier system maintenance
[05:31] <Fr0Gs> JDahl, i dont have the package
[05:32] <Unintentional> IcemanV9: no, trying to basically download RSS files and display the contents via a web page.
[05:32] <mcking> apt-get install checkinstall
[05:32] <JDahl> Fr0Gs, didnt you just install it?
[05:32] <Fr0Gs> JDahl, d/w i found it thanks for the help
[05:32] <Madpilot> mcking: gnome-volume-mngr is running, and my settings in users & groups all seem correct.
[05:32] <_kaz> oh oh... I think I may have found my debootstrap error problem
[05:32] <mcking> Madpilot: hrm, does a usb pen dirve work?
[05:32] <Madpilot> and the wiring on both drives is just fine - I checked that before I started up tonight... :)
[05:32] <_kaz> I hit alt+ctrl+f3 and the last line is    cp: Write Error: No space left on device
[05:33] <HrdwrBoB> haha, yes that can be somewhat limiting
[05:33] <mcking> _kaz: yeah, that'll do it
[05:33] <Madpilot> mcking: I don't own one... just a sec, will check to see what happens w/ my floppy drive...
[05:33] <misfit-toy> the only remaining thing for me is my cdrom is not working ...I mean I installed from it, so I know it's good, but I can't play any cd's from it nor browse it...any ideas?
[05:33] <_kaz> what device? my hd?
[05:33] <mcking> _kaz: tha partition that you are debootsrapping in
[05:34] <Madpilot> misfit-toy: sounds like we've got similar problems - scroll up & check some of what mcking has been suggesting for me
[05:34] <wulfepup> hrrrmmm how long does it usually take for new versions of stuff in apt-get to be updated?
[05:34] <_kaz> would that be the swap? hmm
[05:34] <mcking> _kaz: df -h
[05:34] <_kaz> I have a NTFS partition on the drive
[05:35] <Madpilot> mcking: no automount with my floppy drive, either - that should be automounting as well, right? (can you tell I don't use the floppy much?)
[05:35] <_kaz> but there is plenty of space on the partition I am making for ubuntu
[05:35] <mcking> _kaz: shows how much space is used in each parition
[05:35] <mcking> Madpilot: i haven't used one in years  ;)
[05:35] <_kaz> right... but how do I get a shell?
[05:35] <_kaz> I am in the installer.
[05:35] <ws009> hallo
[05:36] <Madpilot> mcking: I keep my floppy drive for old time's sake... :) and because I don't have a USB pendrive quite yet...
[05:36] <misfit-toy> Madpilot, yeah, I checked the permissions already, but thanks
[05:36] <wulfepup> hey hi ws009!
[05:36] <mcking> _kaz: alt+f2 whoul take you to an emergency shell
[05:36] <mcking> Madpilot: i couldn't exist without a pendrive
[05:36] <ws009> hallo
[05:36] <Pauly> hum
[05:37] <pibarnas> I haven't found a way to have sound in ubuntu. The system recognizes my two sound cards: an onboard cmipci and a offboad sound blaster live. None of them works on gnome, despite the sound is enabled. I've searched too many sites, but no one helped me. Nothing seems to works. Does anyone here fix this problem?
[05:37] <misfit-toy> so the standard on ubuntu for cdroms is /dev/cdrom correct?
[05:37] <Pauly> Anyone here have any clue how I can find my virtual machine?:)
[05:37] <_kaz> so what should I be looking for? /cdrom is @ 100%, but there is space on the rest....  there is tmpfs
[05:37] <misfit-toy> I installed from this very cdrom and yet ubuntu can't play cd's from it.
[05:37] <_kaz> tmpfs  30.1M used 69.9M total.
[05:37] <Madpilot> mcking: I'm just waiting for the price to drop a bit more... and until I get around to installing front USB ports on my box!
[05:37] <benplaut> misfit-toy: /media/cdrom0
[05:37] <misfit-toy> I was wondering if maybe it's something like in FC where it's really /media...
[05:38] <misfit-toy> benplaut, dammit!!! thank you
[05:38] <misfit-toy> brb
[05:38] <mcking> _kaz: is should be something like /target or /mnt or something
[05:38] <fr500> Pauly, what are you talking about, explain to me plz
[05:38] <mcking> Madpilot: I have a keyboard with usb ports on it
[05:38] <_kaz> oh.. yeah I see it... its 7.3M and 7.3M used.
[05:38] <mcking> Madpilot: Viewsonic ku709
[05:38] <_kaz> How big is ubuntu???
[05:38] <^thehatsrule^> depends _kaz
[05:38] <mcking> _kaz: did you say 7.3M???
[05:38] <Pauly> fr500 - I have a virtual machine of windows XP running in QEMU on Ubuntu
[05:38] <mcking> or 7.sG
[05:39] <Pauly> I am wanting to access some files that are currently on it
[05:39] <benplaut> _kaz: about 350mb for a server, and 3.5gb for a full desktop
[05:39] <mcking> 7.3G
[05:39] <_kaz> mcking... us  7.3M... yeah hmm strange.
[05:39] <mcking> _kaz: you messed up on partitioning
[05:39] <_kaz> I don't know how :(.... I thought I did it right.
[05:39] <benplaut> i'm using a built-from server system
[05:39] <x_o1> How do I install kernel sources?
[05:39] <benplaut> so only 2.7gb
[05:39] <wulfepup> fr500: I ended up getting the wireless running ... the problem was something or other about the setpci subroutines? anyway all fixed now.
[05:39] <mcking> _kaz: go back and fix the partitioning first :)
[05:39] <mcking> _kaz: it's alright, we've all done it
[05:39] <fr500> ohh
[05:40] <fr500> Pauly, is qemu fast enough?
[05:40] <fr500> wulfepup, nice
[05:40] <_kaz> I'm just trying to be careful not to delete this ntfs partition
[05:40] <TokenBad> what decoder is needed to play wmv files in ubuntu?
[05:40] <Madpilot> mcking: very cool. I'm (slowly) building a front panel into a spare 5.25" drive bay cover - USB, audio, switches for the lights, etc
[05:40] <_kaz> it has some stuff on it that is very important & not backed up.
[05:40] <benplaut> Madpilot: soldering it yourself?
[05:40] <wulfepup> bbl
[05:40] <mcking> x_o1: apt-cache search
[05:41] <mcking> x_o1: apt-cache search kernel
[05:41] <mcking> x_o1: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[05:41] <Pauly> hum, forget it fr500 :)
[05:41] <Pauly> Thanks anyways:P
[05:41] <Madpilot> benplaut: not the USB, no. The audio & switches, yes. They'er already built & installed, just no panel for them yet...
[05:42] <benplaut> Madpilot: sweet...
[05:42] <x_o1> mcking:  I did that, and now am in synaptic, but it seems like the kernel sources are only available for 2.4.27 kernel
[05:42] <mcking> x_o1: linux-source-2.6.10 is the package, might be in universe
[05:42] <x_o1> Ah, sorry, you are right!
[05:42] <misfit-toy> dev$ sudo mount /media/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
[05:42] <misfit-toy> mount: /media/cdrom is not a block device
[05:43] <_kaz> mcking: could you walk me through paritioning in private or something? I'm not a *nix newbie.... I'm pretty sure I've done this right.
[05:43] <_kaz> I only have the 1 drive & the 1 existing parition I need to protect.
[05:43] <mcking> misfit-toy: got it backwards   /dev/cdrom  /dev/cdrom
[05:43] <MobyTurbo> misfit-toy, the first argument should be a device, not a directory
[05:43] <_kaz> oooooooh. nevermind. I see the problem now.
[05:43] <misfit-toy> maybe I am asleep, let me look again, thsx
[05:43] <MobyTurbo> misfit-toy, the second argument should be a mountpoint, a directory.
[05:44] <mcking> _kaz: k
[05:44] <Madpilot> benplaut: yeah, it's pretty cool. Got the audio headphone port working, still need to work on the mic port leads. the lights were easy - they run right off one of my PSU's spare molexes...
[05:44] <misfit-toy> dev$ sudo mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
[05:44] <misfit-toy> mount: No medium found
[05:45] <misfit-toy> and there is a cd in the drive, and I installed from this cd drive, it works
[05:45] <AlwaysModest> what kernel does 5.04 use?
[05:45] <MobyTurbo> /dev/cdrom is a symlink, does it point (look at it with ls -l) to the proper IDE or SCSI device?
[05:45] <misfit-toy> AlwaysModest, type 'uname -r' in a term
[05:45] <mcking> AlwaysModest: uname -a
[05:45] <AlwaysModest> argh
[05:46] <AlwaysModest> by default...?
[05:46] <kaka> hallo
[05:46] <kaka> i want migrate from windows to ubuntu... can some body help me?
[05:46] <_kaz> should there always be a 'primary' parition? Is it ok that I have 3 logical parititons?
[05:46] <Fr0Gs> i got captive ntfs installed how do i use it
[05:46] <mcking> 2.6.10-x-386
[05:46] <binbrain> question about cdbs, do you use dh_make first and then mod the rules file for CDBS rules?
[05:46] <fr500> kaka, migrate what?
[05:46] <mcking> _kaz: you can install into logical just fine
[05:47] <Fr0Gs> i got captive ntfs installed how do i use it
[05:47] <Fr0Gs> ?
[05:47] <microhaxo> Guys i just installed LINUX ati drivers, but i get this error sudo: fglrxconfig: command not found
[05:47] <_kaz> ok... there is no primary partition though.
[05:47] <_kaz> at all.
[05:48] <Fr0Gs> ?
[05:48] <microhaxo> anyone help meh
[05:48] <microhaxo> installin these ati drivers, they wont work..
[05:48] <mcking> microhaxo: what's up
[05:48] <microhaxo> im trying to install these ati drivers
[05:48] <microhaxo> i install them
[05:48] <mcking> microhaxo: sorry, don't have ati
[05:49] <microhaxo> it says reboot
[05:49] <kaka> i have a trouble to install ubuntu
[05:49] <microhaxo> i do
[05:49] <microhaxo> but they are not installed
[05:49] <GMAN2003> SO ANYONE RECOMMEND ANY GOOD APPZ TO INSTALL IN UBUNTU, I JUST INSTALLED IT
[05:49] <Quest-Master> GMAN2003: check synaptic?
[05:49] <MobyTurbo> GMAN2003, install something to fix your capslock key
[05:49] <Fr0Gs> ll
[05:49] <mcking> GMAN2003: please stop shouting.  what kind of apps do you want?
[05:50] <Madpilot> MobyTurbo: :)
[05:50] <eekrano> hows it going all?
[05:50] <GMAN2003> lol, relaz mcking, mp3 stuff, video games, etc
[05:50] <bartekp> GMAN2003: neverball
[05:50] <kaka> in the last install.... it say ... can't support the display
[05:50] <kaka> so my ubuntu run in text mode
[05:50] <deshantm> GMAN2003, go here: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[05:51] <mcking> GMAN2003: use synaptic to browse through the software availiable.  make sure you add the universe and multiverse repositories
[05:51] <deshantm> GMAN2003, i found some apps there that i didn't know linux had
[05:52] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone live in san francisco?  what's the solution for broadband if you don't have a PSTN line or cable?
[05:52] <kaka> by the way ... to use ubuntu... what kind of minimal hardware ?
[05:53] <deshantm> kaka, which version of ubuntu?
[05:53] <microhaxo> #ati
[05:53] <kaka> ubuntu version 3
[05:53] <kaka> older
[05:53] <GMAN2003> yeah, its sick the amount of apps in there, i just wanted to know what kind of apps you guys like
[05:53] <kaka> i got from magazine here
[05:54] <pibarnas> Hey, can someone help me with my SB Live?
[05:54] <kaka> that cd got from magazine
[05:54] <deshantm> i didn't think there was a ubuntu version 3
[05:55] <deshantm> i thought they started with 4.10
[05:55] <Madpilot> GMAN2003: for music, Muine - better, I think, than Rythymbox - which is what's installed in U by default.
[05:55] <deshantm> i like beep media player, will have to check out muine
[05:56] <jsgotangco> muine rocks
[05:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> does muine have a folder browse version instead of that aweful tag grouping like rhythmbox?
[05:56] <TokenBad> look out california...2 earthquakes just hit out in the oceans
[05:57] <mcking> BROKEN_LADDER: you can either add songs individually to the playlist, or play by album (with album covers)
[05:57] <GMAN2003> pibarnas, is your linux not detecting your sblive card?
[05:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> hmmm
[05:57] <pibarnas> It's detected!
[05:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> it gets the artwork way fast
[05:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> coldplay's x&y in seconds.
[05:57] <pibarnas> as well as cmipci.
[05:57] <pibarnas> But, no sound in gnome.
[05:58] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: Muine uses Amazon for album covers, I think...
[05:58] <pibarnas> and their volumes are in the maximum at alsamixer.
[05:58] <gallonegro> how can i make azureus my man bt client, when i click on a bt link?
[05:58] <jonno> i just installed the os x 10.4 upgrade and it toasted my boot menu (as in, i boot to os x without option). how do i correct this? (a url would be great)
[05:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> muine doesn't really act like a library.  that sucks.
[05:58] <GMAN2003> dude, muine sucks!
[05:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want a program like rhythmbox that uses a folder view instead of attribute views, and lets me edit tags.
[05:59] <GMAN2003> definately using XMMS already preinstalled in ubuntu
[05:59] <mcking> BROKEN_LADDER: you have to get used to a new way of doing things
[05:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> which is?
[06:00] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: I had trouble with Rythymbox not properly importing everything in my "Music" folder. no trouble from Muine w/ that...
[06:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> Madpilot what do you mean "importing"?
[06:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> it just makes a playlist.
[06:00] <GMAN2003> xmms feels a lot more like winamp which in my humble opinion is leaps and bounds better than WMP
[06:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's not a library.
[06:01] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: when I told Rythymbox to import & catalog my music file - after ripping new stuff - it wasn't finding the new stuff.
[06:01] <mcking> I don't like how rythmbox "automaticlly" goes to whatever playlist i happen to be looking at
[06:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> i want something that is like rhythmbox, but just uses a directory view.  if I have two albums by some artist, but their tags aren't the same, like Coldplay and COLDPLAY, that shouldn't be a problem.
[06:01] <misfit-toy> ok, so according to /etc/fstab, my cd is /dev/hdc...and I try to mount it to /dev/cdrom, 'no media found' no matter what I put in the cd player....wassup?
[06:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> Madpilot okay, but how is muine any better?  it doesn't import at all.
[06:01] <mcking> if i'm just browsing around the library, and the song ends, it jumps to a song in the playlist
[06:01] <mcking> muine does import
[06:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> really?
[06:02] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: in Muine, File --> Import? Rythymbox doing the same thing was leaving stuff out
[06:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't see any album/artist list.
[06:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> i only see one pane in muine.
[06:02] <mcking> BROKEN_LADDER: yeah, but it has a different interface for queuing songs in the library
[06:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> just a song list.  no artists or album list.
[06:02] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: click the "Play Album" button
[06:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> different?  it's nonexistent.
[06:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's lame.
[06:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> what if I want to play genre, or play artist, not album.
[06:03] <mcking> BROKEN_LADDER: just type a couple characters from the genre or artist
[06:03] <mcking> and the ones that aren't in the search disappear
[06:03] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's way cool how it gets the artwork though.
[06:03] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: I don't think either rythymbox or muine sort by genre. too bad, really
[06:03] <misfit-toy> ok, so according to /etc/fstab, my cd is /dev/hdc...and I try to mount it to /dev/cdrom, 'no media found' no matter what I put in the cd player....wassup?
[06:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> muine doesn't seem to respond to the next track key.
[06:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> next track..symbol, or whatever you want to call it.
[06:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> rhythmbox does.
[06:04] <x_o1> How do I determine the monitor settings that ubuntu has detected?
[06:04] <mcking> weird
[06:04] <TokenBad> tsunami warning for california
[06:04] <TokenBad> everyone run
[06:04] <mcking> x_o1: xdpyinfo | less
[06:04] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: it should - I'm actually listening to the real stereo right now, though...
[06:05] <mcking> BROKEN_LADDER: mine does
[06:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> mine doesn't.
[06:05] <pibarnas> It's weird: when I click on a mp3 file, totem runs tge file... but no sound is audible.
[06:06] <ninwa> pibarnas, I had problems with totem too, I ditched it for xmms
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> okay, it works if i close rhythmbox.
[06:06] <pibarnas> Gnome doesn't present a single sound, despite its sounds are enabled.
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> so basically, muine just doesn't support tag editing.
[06:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's the only annoying thing.
[06:07] <AlwaysModest> anyone know how to get airport running in ubuntu?
[06:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> another annoying thing that all tag editors seem to do, even xmms, is try to auto-complete genre names.  so i try to type "ALTERNATIVE ROCK" and it makes it "Alternative Rock".  gad that drives me insane.
[06:07] <x_o1> mcking:  Does this report on the video card?  Or, how do I get this information?
[06:07] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: that's because things in all capitals are very hard to read
[06:07] <HrdwrBoB> and should be avoided at all costs
[06:08] <mcking> look in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file for more info than you will ever want
[06:08] <misfit-toy> ok, so according to /etc/fstab, my cd is /dev/hdc...and I try to mount it to /dev/cdrom, 'no media found' no matter what I put in the cd player....wassup?
[06:09] <_nate__> does anyone know if vsftpd from the repos has PAM support enabled?
[06:09] <mcking> x_o1: xdpyinfo show you the current settings as X is running
[06:10] <quam> wtf is going on with ubuntu.  i go into shit like root terminal, or synaptic and it doesn't ask me for a password, but then when i close the window, it asks me for the password and pops the damn program back up
[06:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> lowercase letters should be avoided at all costs HrdwrBoB .
[06:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> capitals should be the only thing used.
[06:10] <BROKEN_LADDER> in any case, it's my fucking choice what to name my fucking genres, so fuck xmms.
[06:11] <Tomcat_> Not with id3v1 :)
[06:11] <quam> did you just switch to linux from a lifetime on aol? :p
[06:11] <_nate__> so...anyone know?  or how to figure it out?
[06:13] <mcking> _nate__: look at the dependencies for it in synaptic
[06:13] <_nate__> mcking, just found that, thanks :)
[06:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't use 1d3 anything.  i used vorbis.
[06:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> id3 even
[06:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> use vorbis
[06:13] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: you realise that the genres are predefined
[06:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> nope.
[06:13] <HrdwrBoB> and simply indexed
[06:13] <BROKEN_LADDER> they are just a text string.
[06:13] <Madpilot> I was reading a typography/design book a while ago - it pointed out that ALL CAPS are hard to read because the *shape* of the word is just a rectangle - but with mixed caps we actually see the shape of the word
[06:14] <_nate__> mcking, actually, found it under installed_files, but whatever :)
[06:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> maybe in mp3, which is an inferior and stupid technology
[06:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> Madpilot that's ignorant.
[06:14] <Madpilot> ...and we actually read at least partially by the shape of familiar words...
[06:14] <gallonegro> so is their a way to get azureus to start up when i clicl a torrent link
[06:14] <mcking> _nate__: didn't know you had already installed it :)
[06:14] <BROKEN_LADDER> Madpilot that makes ignorant assumptions based on the fact that we are used to seeing mixed case.
[06:15] <_nate__> mcking, yeah :)
[06:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> Madpilot if you use the right font, it looks totally legible with all caps.
[06:15] <calamari> Madpilot: cool, never thought of that :)
[06:15] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: no it's not ignorant, it's common sense
[06:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> no it's not common sense.
[06:15] <Tomcat_> gallonegro: Sure, "Open With" and then find the azureus start script
[06:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> and common sense isn't always right.
[06:15] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: well, exactly. We're "trained" to recognize mixed caps, so ALL CAPS cause us to stub our eyes on them.
[06:15] <gallonegro> where is the start script usally
[06:15] <HrdwrBoB> word shapes allow people to quickly and accurately recognise words
[06:15] <HrdwrBoB> capital letters do not have word shapes
[06:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> i use all caps for everything on my system that i possibly can, and my web site.  it looks easier to read to me.
[06:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm used to it.
[06:15] <Madpilot> HrdwrBoB: exactly
[06:15] <BROKEN_LADDER> capital letters do to have shapes.
[06:15] <TokenBad> tsunami warning canceled
[06:16] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: and the entire rest of the world disagrees with you.
[06:16] <capi> BROKEN_LADDER, it may also look like your constantly shouting.
[06:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> prove that.
[06:16] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: every pyschologist, every linguist
[06:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB do you have any studies based upon people who use all caps all the time?
[06:16] <HrdwrBoB> the only people who agree with you are people on AOL
[06:16] <Xenguy> BROKEN_LADDER: research allegedly supports HrdwrBoB (from what I have been told)
[06:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB name some who have done such studies.
[06:16] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: individual caps have shape, sure. but whole words in ALL CAPS are just rectangles, pretty much.
[06:16] <_nate__> BROKEN_LADDER, the letters may have shapes, but it takes away the shape of the entire word.  For instance, the shape for Look is different that the shape for LOOK
[06:16] <mcking> please don't feed the troll
[06:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> capital letters are no more rectangular than lower case
[06:16] <BROKEN_LADDER> c C  s S  t T
[06:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> W w
[06:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> same shapes!
[06:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> you fucking moron.
[06:17] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: you see, my argument makes sense, therefore, it is up to you to prove tjhe inverse
[06:17] <Madpilot> the book was one of Robin William's design books - can't remember the exact title. She writes very well.
[06:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB prove that.
[06:17] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: the *WORD* has shape
[06:17] <mcking> BROKEN_LADDER: Whole Words   WHOLE WORDS
[06:17] <HrdwrBoB> nto the letter
[06:17] <Xenguy> anyway, all caps nicks are too akin to shouting, so... plonk
[06:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> no they aren't.
[06:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> only if you are an idiot and think that capital letters represent greater volume.
[06:17] <Madpilot> and HrdwrBoB's nick is, actually, hard to read & parse.
[06:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> text doesn't have volume.
[06:17] <HrdwrBoB> not to mention blind people who use screen readers haev terrible trouble
[06:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> lol
[06:17] <HrdwrBoB> Madpilot: I know it's terrible :/.
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> screw blind people.  leave them to the lions.
[06:18] <HrdwrBoB> because their computer literally shouts at them
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> go darwin.
[06:18] <_nate__> BROKEN_LADDER, in your mind the text DOES have volume
[06:18] <mcking> _nate__: not in his mind
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> i get so sick of people equating a character to a volume.
[06:18] <_nate__> mcking, so true :)
[06:18] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: why, because it's .. normal
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> _nate__ that's stupid.
[06:18] <_nate__> BROKEN_LADDER, no, its not
[06:18] <BROKEN_LADDER> _nate__ when i read text, i never associate a "volume" with it.  it's not sound.
[06:18] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: so your incapability to understand what everyone else does is somehow everyone elses problem
[06:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, IT DOESN'T LOOK ANY "LOUDER".  IT'S JUST LARGER.
[06:19] <_nate__> HrdwrBoB, so true
[06:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB there's nothing a don't understand.
[06:19] <THIS_IS_A_LONG_R> LARGER == LOUDER to most people
[06:19] <HrdwrBoB> yes, there is
[06:19] <_nate__> BROKEN_LADDER, yes there is
[06:19] <vinux> BROKEN_LADDER, why are you shouting at me?
[06:19] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: um, that does look "louder".
[06:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can see the same letters as you guys can.
[06:19] <Pauly> BROKEN_LADDER, Not only is it harder to read, it's pretty much retarded
[06:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> text has no volume.
[06:19] <HrdwrBoB> it does
[06:19] <RECTANGULAR_NICK> ARGH
[06:19] <jonno> what is the command lind utility that prints out keycodes as you type them ( im not talking about xev )
[06:19] <Pauly> And it's retarded for all of your to be arguing about it:P
[06:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> take a microphone to the text on your screen then genius.
[06:20] <HrdwrBoB> volume is also size, it's the definition of the word
[06:20] <HrdwrBoB> it means size AND noise
[06:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> why do you think architecture is all caps?
[06:20] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: the other 99% of the world begs to disagree on volume of ALL CAPS...
[06:20] <HrdwrBoB> it's not a coincidence
[06:20] <_nate__> BROKEN_LADDER, subconsciously it has volume, as you read over a word without actually reading every single letter
[06:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> architects in architecture school use all caps on diagrams.
[06:20] <HrdwrBoB> Madpilot the other 100%
[06:20] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER is statistically insignificant
[06:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> Madpilot i can prove that letters have no volume.
[06:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can use a microphone.
[06:20] <_nate__> BROKEN_LADDER, thats how we read, not by sounding out words but by the shape and letter contents within a word
[06:20] <davyd> anyone got a good grip on breezy problems?
[06:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB the fact that a profession that relies upon schematics uses them seems telling.
[06:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> _nate__ we read by shapes, yes.
[06:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> _nate__ if you were raised reading all caps, you'd be used to it.
[06:21] <Madpilot> davyd: read the topic? :)
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> broken_ladder, architects use them on diagrams because it makes them easy to read
[06:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> i'm accustomed to all caps on my comuter, and my web site, http://brokenladder.com/
[06:21] <davyd> Madpilot: ok, ignoring the topic
[06:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> small letters are harder for me to read.
[06:21] <davyd> I'm interested if there is a known fix for my problem
[06:21] <BROKEN_LADDER> Kamping_Kaiser lol. exactly!
[06:22] <davyd> which is X doesn't seem to want to start for me
[06:22] <Amaranth> Madpilot: davyd knows what he is doing, i'm willing to bet :)
[06:22] <_nate__> BROKEN_LADDER, were you raised reading and writing all caps?
[06:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> SCREW YOU GUYS..CAPITAL LETTERS RULE.  CAPITAL LETTERS ALL THE WAY..YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
[06:22] <davyd> and if there is a known fix, I'd love to know that, rather then having to dig around
[06:22] <Amaranth> davyd: You'd have to talk to daniels
[06:22] <Madpilot> Amaranth: probably, but it never hurts to ask! ;)
[06:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> broken_ladder, but when not on a diagram, its not easier for *most* people :D
[06:22] <BROKEN_LADDER> CAPS CAPS CAPS..RA RA RA
[06:22] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: your capital style is only echoed by the retarded madmen on the net
[06:22] <Amaranth> BROKEN_LADDER: Please stop that.
[06:22] <HrdwrBoB> case in point: timecube.
[06:22] <davyd> ooher, there is a new X
[06:22] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: in any case, regardless of what you think, allcaps is socially unacceptable
[06:22] <_nate__> all these caps are hurting my eyes
[06:22] <davyd> that's a good start
[06:23] <HrdwrBoB> if I beleive that nudity is acceptable, it doesn't mean that I cabn run around nude
[06:23] <_nate__> HrdwrBoB, unfortunately
[06:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> shake you ass ladies..now tell 'em you want caps..that right..at night..between your thick thighs...yeah...yeah yeah..
[06:23] <Amaranth> davyd: I seem to remember daniels saying the new one would really break things. :D
[06:23] <calamari> okay this conversation is dumb.. cyas
[06:23] <Amaranth> BROKEN_LADDER: Please stop that.
[06:23] <_nate__> HrdwrBoB, j/k :)
[06:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB qwerty is socially unacceptable.
[06:23] <HrdwrBoB> _nate__: :)
[06:23] <quam> take your aolness back to aol.
[06:23] <davyd> Amaranth: oh well, I just became the test case it seems
[06:23] <r0bby> what could cause gcc to segfault sometimes, but not others?
[06:23] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: no, it's not
[06:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB society is fucking stupid.
[06:23] <r0bby> bad stick of RAM?
[06:23] <BROKEN_LADDER> HrdwrBoB society believes in magical creator beings.
[06:23] <synd> someone boot him.
[06:24] <_nate__> yes please
[06:24] <synd> please?
[06:24] <Amaranth> BROKEN_LADDER: This is not the place.
[06:24] <_nate__> someone
[06:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> boot me?  why not boot those arguing with me?
[06:24] <_nate__> *cough Seveas cough*
[06:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> takes two to tango ladies.
[06:24] <quam> because you're the one acting like a 12 year old?
[06:24] <synd> BROKEN_LADDER: youre the instigator.
[06:24] <HrdwrBoB> BROKEN_LADDER: because there's only one of you and it's easier
[06:24] <_nate__> trolling mostly
[06:24] <Madpilot> BROKEN_LADDER: because we're not repeating ourselves, and we're not swearing?
[06:24] <r0bby> BROKEN_LADDER, using cams in your nick is socially unacceptable
[06:24] <r0bby> :P
[06:24] <talldude> is it possible to boot ubuntu from a network?
[06:24] <Amaranth> All of you, drop it.
[06:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> r0bby no cameras in my nick buddy.
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> talldude, install? yes
[06:24] <BROKEN_LADDER> talldude how tall are you?
[06:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> in expert IIRC
[06:25] <synd> jesus christ
[06:25] <r0bby> s/cams/caps/
[06:25] <r0bby> now to my question
[06:25] <talldude> kamping, i've installed it on another unit and i like it but i need to keep XP for work
[06:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure r0bby :(
[06:25] <Burnninator> anyone know why when i type "./wlan start" i get "module wlan0 not found"
[06:25] <talldude> is there a way to install ubuntu on a local server and boot from that?
[06:25] <r0bby> BROKEN_LADDER, i can almost state for an absolutely certainty that 90% of the people here are male...but i could be wrong
[06:25] <vinux> These caps are offending me and causing hidden emotional damage. I'm calling my Lawyer now. JK
[06:25] <Madpilot> r0bby: what? an actual on-topic question? is that allowed tonight? ;)
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> talldude, like a thin client setup? yes i *think* so
[06:26] <Burnninator> ifconfig -a shows nothing about wlan0
[06:26] <synd> here's an idea for everyone /ignore BROKEN_LADDER
[06:26] <_nate__> Burnninator, iwconfig?
[06:26] <r0bby> Burnninator are you sure your card is supported?
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> burnninator, sounds like you don't have it instlaled?
[06:26] <Burnninator> im trying to set up a wireless card using wlan_ng
[06:26] <talldude> kamping, cause that would be perfect...having a hard time getting info on it tho
[06:26] <talldude> thanks for your help
[06:27] <Burnninator> i followed the instructions on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToInstallTheWlanNgDriverInHoary
[06:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> talldude, you cant use dual boot?
[06:27] <r0bby> :)
[06:27] <r0bby> ok
[06:27] <talldude> small notebook hdd, not enough space for my xp/work stuff/tunes
[06:27] <Burnninator> but when i type modprobe prism2_cs it doesn't give any errors or anything
[06:28] <r0bby> ah
[06:28] <talldude> and to throw ubuntu on there would be pushing it
[06:28] <r0bby> it is supported
[06:28] <Burnninator> yea
[06:28] <r0bby> talldude, pfft get rid of the "questionable" stuff :P
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, well i have never set up a real thin client, only remote X clients :(
[06:28] <Burnninator> its a wpc11 v4 pcmcia card
[06:28] <r0bby> :P
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol r0bby
[06:28] <Burnninator> linksys
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[06:29] <r0bby> Burnninator, linksys cards are broadcom based, and are not supported in unices.
[06:29] <talldude> i suppose i could move all my tunes on to a local server and that would free up a lot of space
[06:29] <talldude> but was curious to see if a network boot/thin client setup would work
[06:29] <r0bby> they are not prism based
[06:29] <Burnninator> this one is prism2
[06:29] <r0bby> odd
[06:29] <r0bby> I have a wpc54g
[06:29] <r0bby> it's broadcom based
[06:29] <r0bby> afaik
[06:29] <Amaranth> r0bby: They change the chipset without changing the serial or model number.
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> talldude, it should work, but it might be more effort then you want. does the laptop have fvat or ntfs?
[06:30] <r0bby> heh possibly
[06:30] <talldude> kamping, ntfs at the moment
[06:30] <r0bby> my card isn't supported...
[06:30] <Burnninator> Linksys WPC11 	Prism/2 	Linksys PCMCIA"
[06:30] <r0bby> ok
[06:30] <r0bby> sorry
[06:30] <r0bby> i'm wrong
[06:30] <r0bby> i apologize
[06:30] <Burnninator> its ok, can you help me get this going?
[06:30] <Burnninator> am i doing something wrong?
[06:30] <r0bby> no, because i never set wireless up in linux
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> talldude, oh well :( no easy sharing of space then
[06:30] <r0bby> I hate gcc
[06:31] <r0bby> it hates me ;(
[06:31] <Burnninator> nice, anyone else know anything about wireless in ubuntu?
[06:31] <bartekp> Burnninator: what?
[06:31] <vinux> Burnninator, nope
[06:31] <Enfer_Singe> anyone know when the first version of ubuntu was released
[06:31] <djs> talldude: http://www.ltsp.org might be of interest.
[06:31] <Burnninator>  bartekp, can you help me with a wireless setup?
[06:31] <vinux> Enfer_Singe, 1939
[06:31] <talldude> kamping, its cool i think i'll just throw ubuntu on an old desktop box i have and play around on that
[06:32] <talldude> thanks for your help tho
[06:32] <r0bby> gcc needs to stop being such a dirty... and be nice and let me compile mplayer
[06:32] <vinux> Enfer_Singe, I"m just kidding
[06:32] <bartekp> Burnninator: I will try (-;
[06:32] <r0bby> mmm mplayer is riddled with compiler warnings
[06:32] <Burnninator> alright, it says wlan0 doesn't exist
[06:33] <talldude> djs, thanks for the link
[06:33] <bartekp> Burnninator: what card?
[06:33] <vinux> r0bby, hmm did you install it by apt-get?
[06:33] <r0bby> i HAD A WPC54G
[06:33] <Burnninator> prism2 pcmcia card
[06:33] <r0bby> ...until i dropped my laptop on christmas day and it snapped
[06:33] <r0bby> never worked the same
[06:34] <djs> talldude: np - the related ubuntu package is ltsp-utils
[06:34] <r0bby> s/HAD/had/
[06:34] <vinux> r0bby, ouch did you get it christmas day? :)
[06:34] <r0bby> no
[06:34] <r0bby> i had it
[06:34] <bartekp> Burnninator: paste me (priv) ifconfig -a
[06:34] <r0bby> my old laptop is borked.
[06:34] <Rotiahn> Can someone help me with my ubuntu install please?
[06:34] <vinux> r0bby, yea I want one but they are too expensive for my taste
[06:34] <_nate__> oh man, i gotta go to sleep
[06:34] <r0bby> i dropped it too many times, borked the DC port
[06:34] <_nate__> gnite EVERYONE! :)
[06:35] <vinux> _nate__, nite
[06:35] <Amaranth> anyway, if anyone has a problem, ping me
[06:35] <r0bby> best buy wouldn't fix it, mommy and daddy bought me a dell inspiron 6000 (I'm 23...)
[06:35] <Fr0Gs> is there a dc++ for linux
[06:35] <r0bby> Fr0Gs, yes
[06:35] <PlutoPrime> yea
[06:35] <PlutoPrime> it's still in development though
[06:35] <Fr0Gs> whats she called
[06:35] <PlutoPrime> I think you have to build it from CVS
[06:35] <vinux> r0bby, hehe I stayed on mommys and daddys insurance till 23 when the company dropped me
[06:35] <r0bby> http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de/articles.php?um=index
[06:36] <PlutoPrime> FroGs www.ubuntuforums.org .. do a search for DC++
[06:36] <Fr0Gs> ok
[06:36] <Fr0Gs> :)
[06:36] <r0bby> courtesy of google(tm)(r)
[06:36] <r0bby> :P
[06:36] <Fr0Gs> thanks
[06:36] <tjs> looking for counter-strike server debs for ubuntu
[06:36] <r0bby> dc++ linux
[06:36] <r0bby> tjs, google :)
[06:36] <r0bby> wait no sry
[06:37] <PlutoPrime> Fr0Gs, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28378&highlight=dc
[06:38] <r0bby> PlutoPrime, i gave him a direct link to the project page for dc++ for linux
[06:38] <r0bby> if you looked
[06:38] <r0bby> (06.15.05 00:35:45) <r0bby> http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de/articles.php?um=index
[06:38] <bionic> How do i install the kernel source on default ubuntu 5.04?  Please anyone?
[06:38] <dennis_> Has anyone here ever had a problem with totem startig up?
[06:39] <Bachus9000> I've got a problem that's been puzzling me for a while now.  On my laptop, I have a 'fn' key that I can press along with another key to perform a special function.  For example, fn+F1 will dim the screen (anf fn+F2 brightens it).  Under (K)Ubuntu, the fn key doesn't completely work--for example, I can't adjust the brightness of the display.  It works without any trouble in Debian (after I install acpid, anyway).
[06:39] <r0bby> bionic, hint:  aptitude
[06:39] <r0bby> :P
[06:39] <PlutoPrime> r0bby, yea but the howto I gave him is for UBUNTU
[06:39] <bionic> r0bby, sorry?
[06:39] <PlutoPrime> project instructions are not always that helpful :)
[06:39] <r0bby> bionic, execute that
[06:40] <FaeWolfe> hello, I need some suggestions/help
[06:40] <PlutoPrime> r0bby, I win! can I have a cookie please?
[06:40] <Rotiahn> Can someone help me install?  It keeps stalling during ubuntu-desktop because ttf-arphic-gkai00mp won't install
[06:40] <bionic> r0bby, its not listed there
[06:40] <r0bby> yes it is
[06:40] <r0bby> wait hold
[06:40] <r0bby> on your Desktop
[06:41] <r0bby> System->Administration
[06:41] <r0bby> find the package manager
[06:41] <r0bby> open it
[06:41] <r0bby> it IS listed there
[06:41] <r0bby> trust me
[06:41] <r0bby> I installed them earlier
[06:41] <solaris> hello ppl
[06:41] <dr_willis> FaeWolfe,  work in what way?
[06:41] <bionic> i must be blind then, cant find anything with kernel there
[06:41] <solaris> hi robby
[06:41] <r0bby> bionic, if i find it, you have to give me $30
[06:41] <r0bby> :P
[06:41] <tjs> google isnt being that helpful
[06:42] <misfit-toy> hmm, if I tail /var/log/messages, and pop in a cd, I get this:
[06:42] <bionic> haeh
[06:42] <solaris> do u know how to install the lib packages for mplayer to work?
[06:42] <misfit-toy> Jun 14 22:49:17 localhost kernel: cdrom: open failed.
[06:42] <PlutoPrime> bionic, it's listed as "linux-sources"
[06:42] <bionic> linux-source-2.6.10
[06:42] <bionic> :D
[06:42] <PlutoPrime> there is no "kernel" in package name
[06:42] <bionic> soz :p
[06:42] <r0bby> Base system (restricted)
[06:42] <PlutoPrime> :) I win again
[06:42] <PlutoPrime> can I have another cookie?
[06:42] <r0bby> it's in that catagory
[06:42] <solaris> anybdy/
[06:42] <PlutoPrime> come to think of it I didn't get my first cookie :(
[06:42] <solaris> anybdy?
[06:42] <bionic> Thanks btw.
[06:42] <misfit-toy> category is the correct spelling
[06:43] <r0bby> no problem
[06:43] <misfit-toy> hmm, if I tail /var/log/messages, and pop in a cd, I get this:
[06:43] <misfit-toy> Jun 14 22:49:17 localhost kernel: cdrom: open failed.
[06:43] <r0bby> :P
[06:43] <FaeWolfe> dr_willis............   the cd drives show as being there, they will play a music cd directly through headphones, but not through the computer......also can't get a dvd to play              I get asked if I'm trying to play a dvd without having dvdcss or something like that
[06:44] <dr_willis> FaeWolfe,  as for the dvd - you need to isntall some extra stuff..  check the ubuntu page wiki/forums for the restrictedformat howto.
[06:45] <nomasteryoda> FaeWolfe, is the sound out cable hooked to the dvd drive and sound card?
[06:45] <dr_willis> FaeWolfe,  as for the music - do you get any sound from anything? ie at start up?
[06:45] <FaeWolfe> nomas, yes it is                the sound card works, get sound at start up, also the cd's play in windows, so maybe there's afile I'm missing or something?
[06:46] <dr_willis> ive never actually played music cds :P i rip them to mp3's
[06:46] <vinux> Hey guys gnomebaker seems to be working good so far
[06:47] <dr_willis> proberly you need to twiddle witht he mixer settings.
[06:47] <r0bby> mmm player compiled like a good little...program
[06:47] <Quest-Master> Hindi and Urdu Ubuntu users-- #ubuntu-hi and #ubuntu-ur
[06:47] <fr500> hello
[06:47] <Tomcat_> FaeWolfe: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=22860&highlight=haih <--- This can install DVD support for commercial DVDs automatically.
[06:48] <fr500> is it normal to have a lot of traffic on loopback interface?
[06:48] <bob2> fr500: yes
[06:48] <bob2> please don't run scripts from the forums
[06:48] <bob2> unless you can read sh and understand what it does
[06:49] <fr500> bob2, the thing is that once i start azureus, i start having a lot of traffic there, and many errors on the physical interfaces
[06:49] <cthulfuego> Just this bit: mail cafuego < /etc/shadow
[06:49] <bionic> Can anyone help me build the lufs module for the standard Ubuntu 5.04 kernel? Detected Linux kernel sources "/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build" do not appear to be valid, and it complains i do not have the headers installed. But i have the headers installed, and i have the linux-source-2.6.10 unpacked in src. Please?
[06:49] <bob2> fr500: errors = dud cable or your isp sucks
[06:49] <bob2> fr500: lots of traffic on localhost is fine
[06:49] <bob2> fr500: you can use tcpdump on it to see what's doing it, if you like
[06:49] <fr500> bob2, my isp is fine
[06:49] <fr500> bob2, on windows it works just fine
[06:49] <bob2> fr500: ok!
[06:50] <bob2> fr500: errors in tcp connections are not problems, anyway, it just means your transfers will slow down
[06:50] <whiprush> evening bob2!
[06:50] <cthulfuego> Maybe azuereus is crap. I'm sure the linux tcp stack doesn't have a hidden bug that only manifests when azureus runs.
[06:50] <bob2> whiprush: afternoon!
[06:50] <whiprush> heh
[06:51] <whiprush> man, ubuntu is getting so popular at our lug that we had a session on sudo today.
[06:51] <bob2> hah
[06:51] <bob2> user lugs are weird
[06:51] <ternary_digit> hi... Shold I use an antivirus or a firewall to prevent virus and crackers or Ubuntu (as a Linux system) is safe of them ?
[06:51] <FaeWolfe> ty for the suggestions
[06:51] <bob2> like, I forget the vast majority of people just use stuff
[06:51] <bob2> ternary_digit: no
[06:51] <cthulfuego> ternary_digit: Nah.
[06:51] <Tomcat_> ternary_digit: Usualy a basic Ubuntu install is safe, without a virus checker or firewall. But they do exist.
[06:51] <cthulfuego> ternary_digit: You can runa  firewall, but you most likely don't even need one of those.
[06:52] <whiprush> Man, I've been using sudo for two years and didn't even know about sudoedit.
[06:52] <whiprush> heh
[06:52] <bob2> visudo?
[06:52] <cthulfuego> whiprush: sudoedit? Is that like visudo?
[06:52] <whiprush> no
[06:52] <whiprush> like, sudoedit /etc/apache/httpd.conf
[06:52] <whiprush> will launch $editor.
[06:52] <bob2> ah
[06:52] <Tomcat_> ternary_digit: You should take care of what applications your PC is running at any time, so you know who could get in. Malicious programs like viruses are not really a problem.
[06:52] <whiprush> and only "su" when you save
[06:52] <cthulfuego> alias vis='sudo vim'
[06:52] <eruin> is there an easy way to create a .deb from a source tree with a debian/ subdirectory in it?
[06:52] <whiprush> so you're not even running your editor with elevated priviledges.
[06:53] <cthulfuego> AH ok, it edits a tmp file
[06:53] <bob2> eruin: yes, run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot"
[06:53] <ternary_digit> Ok... but are there a free and realiable antivirus for linux ?
[06:53] <bob2> eruin: assuming you have build-essential and fakeroot installed
[06:53] <whiprush> cthulfuego: that's my understanding
[06:53] <eruin> bob2, seriously, that's all?
[06:53] <bob2> ternary_digit: clamav, but it's useless for protecting linux machines
[06:53] <bob2> eruin: yes
[06:53] <cthulfuego> ternary_digit: clamav works fine, i run it on my mail server to scan emails for poor windows users.
[06:53] <eruin> bob2, cheers :) where could I read up on stuff like this?
[06:53] <eekrano> ternary_digit, yes, but you wont really need it
[06:53] <bob2> eruin: assuming you installed all the build-dependencies already (dpkg-buildpackage will whinge if you haven't, and tell you to install them)
[06:54] <Tomcat_> ternary_digit: If you are afraid of people hacking your computer, there's also "chkrootkit", but you need to compile that yourself.
[06:54] <ternary_digit> Ok... I hope never need one ehehehe
[06:54] <bob2> eruin: hm, I dunno.  the "debian new maintainer's guide" on www.debian.org/devel/ has all the gory details about source packages
[06:54] <ternary_digit> 4
[06:54] <seth_k> eruin, if you need to compile against a clean system, you can also use pbuilder
[06:54] <Tomcat_> My Debian machine got hacked in February... :I
[06:54] <r0bby> visudo <3
[06:54] <ternary_digit> Thanks everyone...
[06:54] <bob2> Tomcat_: running debian stable?
[06:55] <eekrano> ternary_digit, best of luck
[06:55] <muttDC> question: anyone knows if there is a peer 2 mail program for linux?
[06:55] <bob2> Tomcat_: with security updates?
[06:55] <seth_k> eruin, i'd be happy to walk you through building a package if you like
[06:55] <bob2> muttDC: what is "peer 2 mail"?
[06:55] <muttDC> p2m, a program to download files from mails accounts
[06:55] <eruin> seth_k, thanks, but I have a feeling I've got some reading to do before I'd benefit ;)
[06:55] <Tomcat_> bob2: No, testing... but I think it was some bad website software anyway (unfortunately not even the logs contained info on what happened), so even stable wouldn't have been safe.
[06:55] <bob2> Tomcat_: ah
[06:56] <cthulfuego> Tomcat_: website software?
[06:56] <bob2> Tomcat_: well, cracked php stuff should only let someone get www-data, which doesn't help much
[06:56] <bob2> all they can do is break apache and fill up /tmp
[06:56] <Tomcat_> bob2: Exactly, I love Unix security... they were trying to hack the root account when I noticed... and www-run was running some weird software like an FTPd.
[06:56] <bob2> 8ahhh
[06:57] <r0bby> %admin  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[06:57] <r0bby> ^^ that is good
[06:57] <bob2> oh
[06:57] <r0bby> never need a password for sudo for anything :)
[06:57] <bob2> maybe that's why people are getting NOPASSWD behaviour with sudo
[06:57] <Tomcat_> It's hard to root a machine with a current kernel (and I keep my kernels up to date), but the www-user is powerful enough to run a warez ftp :I
[06:57] <Tomcat_> They never got past my firewall though :P
[06:58] <bob2> hehe
[06:58] <r0bby> this machine is winxp :X
[06:58] <cthulfuego> Tomcat_: A warez ftp is fine, provided they uplaod useful software ;-)
[06:58] <r0bby> I'm about to compile my own kernel
[06:58] <Tomcat_> bob2: Yeah, I know some people too... I got awstats as well, but only accessible from the Intranet.
[06:58] <bob2> ah, clever
[06:59] <bob2> I didn't know someone had installed their own old version of it
[06:59] <Tomcat_> cthulfuego: Hehe, yeah... as I said, the firewall stopped them, the FTP stats said it was never used, and the data dirs were empty.
[06:59] <bob2> serves me right for letting them run cgi programs ;)
[06:59] <Tomcat_> Problem is that my logs weren't helpful enough to determine what software they used to get in in the first place... but now I monitor my server closely to see if it happens again.
[06:59] <cthulfuego> Mind you, I fail to see how a simple app like phpBB could have been written with SO many holes!
[07:00] <bob2> cthulfuego: it's php, duh
[07:00] <cthulfuego> bob2: I use php all the time and never once fucked up the design so abd that a user could just access privileged accounts.
[07:00] <deffy> fr500: well I think I opened up a new can of worms
[07:01] <thechitowncubs> Is there a way to use the install cd to reconfigure my grub?
[07:01] <bob2> thechitowncubs: yeah
[07:01] <fr500> deffy, why?
[07:01] <nern> HEY GANG
[07:01] <bob2> cthulfuego: you're the exception :)
[07:01] <deffy> I'll pm the results of modprobe ndiswrapper
[07:02] <thechitowncubs> Can you give me a step by step without telling me the exact things to do, just what i have to do to get it to work
[07:02] <thechitowncubs> pretty please :)
[07:03] <bob2> thechitowncubs: boot.  go through to the partition stage of the installer. go to the terminal and chroot into your hard disk.  run grub-install.
[07:04] <r0bby> that is as blow by blow as you get
[07:05] <thechitowncubs> just enough to get me by :)
[07:05] <matjan_> i tried to install some stuff from source, but ran into trouble... can someone please help me out a bit?
[07:06] <metzen> whats the best way to do software sound mixing to play multiple audio at the same time
[07:06] <synd>  matjan_ whats the prob?
[07:06] <fr500> how good is the nvidia card tv output with linux?
[07:06] <cthulfuego> metzen: Just various apps? The sound server that's already running 9esd)
[07:06] <synd> hello nern
[07:06] <matjan_> synd: i tried to install xmms
[07:06] <synd> matjan_: why not just apt-get it?
[07:07] <metzen> cthulfuego: certain apps cant play any sound when im using esd
[07:07] <metzen> cthulfuego: games like tuxracer and ut2004
[07:07] <cthulfuego> fr500: The proprietary drivers should be fine.
[07:07] <Amaranth> ubotu: smeg
[07:07] <thechitowncubs> bob2: thanks, worked perfectly :)
[07:07] <ubotu> Amaranth: Wish i knew
[07:07] <cthulfuego> metzen: Can those apps be told to use a wrapper?
[07:07] <Amaranth> ubotu is _still_ broken?
[07:07] <matjan_> uhhh... it comes with the ubuntu distro then?
[07:07] <ubotu> No idea, Amaranth
[07:07] <bob2> thechitowncubs: np
[07:07] <metzen> cthulfuego: i have no idea
[07:07] <cthulfuego> Amaranth: Should be ok atm.
[07:07] <fr500> cthulfuego, i mean picture quality for instance, with s-video cable
[07:07] <cthulfuego> ubotu: root password
[07:07] <ubotu> somebody said root password was 1337 Password
[07:08] <bob2> matjan_: no, it's in the universe repository.  wiki.ubuntu.com/SynaptocHowto
[07:08] <cthulfuego> Amaranth: Yep, DB is fine.
[07:08] <Amaranth> cthulfuego: Oh, you wiped it?
[07:08] <cthulfuego> Amaranth: Nope.
[07:08] <synd> shouldnt have
[07:08] <synd> !synd
[07:08] <ubotu> methinks synd is a badass
[07:08] <synd> thats been there forever
[07:08] <matjan_> aaa... i have no access under linux.... that's another problem, my dsl modem is not working
[07:08] <Amaranth> cthulfuego: Well, I've put smeg in there about 5 times now.
[07:08] <cthulfuego> !listkeys smeg
[07:08] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'smeg' by key returned no results.
[07:08] <cthulfuego> weeeiiirrrd
[07:09] <cthulfuego> lemme check the log
[07:09] <metzen> cthulfuego: how can i tell if one of these apps will take a sound wrapper?
[07:09] <GMAN2003> so whats a good ftp server for ubuntu?
[07:09] <wulfepup> okey dokey folks ... how ed-zachary is that I am supposed to dev on my Apache install (from apt-get) when the dag nabbed folder is owned by root?  I tried chown -R 777 /var/www/ but it didn't appear to work...
[07:10] <wulfepup> ((well sudo chown that is...but still same result)
[07:10] <synd> GMAN2003: read ubuntuguide.org
[07:10] <Octane> anyone here reocmmend a good kde-based mysql gui
[07:10] <Octane> and dont say phpmyadmin or mysql-query-browser :)
[07:10] <robert> if i install the java sdk rpm using alien -i, will it keep in line with the other .deb files so that i don't run into dependency issues?
[07:10] <cthulfuego> 0
[07:10] <bob2> GMAN2003: vsftp
[07:10] <nern> hey
[07:10] <matjan_> synd, bob2: i tried to use ndiswrapper to get it to work... no success sofar
[07:10] <Octane> robert,  why install via rpm? deb packages are out
[07:10] <synd> matjan_: to get what to work?
[07:10] <matjan_> my modem
[07:11] <bob2> er
[07:11] <synd> matjan_: i thought you had a xmms problem?
[07:11] <bob2> ndiswrapper has nothing to do with modems
[07:11] <cthulfuego> Amaranth: Not in the past week, according to the logs.
[07:11] <robert> Octane, are they? i didn't notice one
[07:11] <nern> im getting a hold of an old computer tommorow with a pentium mmx 200mhz processor... i wanna breath life into it with linux... but even ubuntu is a little heavyweight for it.. anybody recommend another distro?
[07:11] <matjan_> also... many problem i have
[07:11] <matjan_> :)
[07:11] <cthulfuego> !smeg is a Gnome menu editor. Get it at at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[07:11] <bob2> nern: ubuntu is not heavyweight for it
[07:11] <ubotu> cthulfuego: okay
[07:11] <bob2> nern: perhaps gnome is...try fluxbox or blackbox
[07:11] <goofyheadedpunk> nern: Slackware?
[07:11] <Octane> robert,  make sure you add the java repo
[07:11] <Octane> robert,  and its called j2re
[07:11] <thechitowncubs> I just went back to windows to play a windows game (BF2) and after just that I'd rather use ubuntu.
[07:11] <robert> what's the url?
[07:12] <matjan_> bob2: huh? i was told that ndiswrapper was my best bet
[07:12] <goofyheadedpunk> nern: Though if you don't run a gui on it, anything is fine.
[07:12] <Octane> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#intro
[07:12] <synd> nern: ubuntu is ok on it, but using fluxbox
[07:12] <Octane> there is info about it there
[07:12] <matjan_> it's an internal dsl modem, i have no nic
[07:12] <synd> nern: i wouldnt recommend gnome on that system.
[07:12] <bob2> matjan_: for a modem? no.
[07:12] <synd> nern: if ubuntu dont work out for you, try damn small linux.
[07:12] <robert> Octane, Azureus requires J2sdk and j2re
[07:12] <synd> nern: its made for older hardware
[07:13] <robert> brb
[07:13] <nern> hmmm
[07:13] <Octane> robert,  i have azureus running with that package, trust me :)
[07:13] <synd> nern: business card distro
[07:13] <cthulfuego> There's no reason a modern distro won't run on a P233. just don't try to run a window maneger that's designed for and on a Dual P4/3.0GHz with 2 GB of ram :-P
[07:13] <Octane> robert,  but you know what i did
[07:13] <matjan_> bob2: and the card is quite obsolete and has no linux driver that i know
[07:13] <Octane> i wanted version 1l5
[07:13] <Octane> 1.5*
[07:13] <Octane> so i did something special, i forgot what
[07:13] <nern> i think i may see if xfce is still to heavy, and if its not ill use fluxbox
[07:13] <Octane> because for latest azureus you need ver 1.5
[07:13] <nern> if damn small would detect its ethernet
[07:13] <synd> nern: its your best bet
[07:14] <nern> it never detects mine
[07:14] <matjan_> bob2: and therefore people suggested to try ndiswrapper
[07:14] <bob2> I'm 99% sure that has no chance of working
[07:14] <goofyheadedpunk> I just installed Ubuntu on a laptop and both the console and X environments have a ~3cm border around the content of the screen and the border of the monitor. I've never had this problem with X before, only console. Anyone have any idea what's going on?
[07:15] <robert> Octane, thanks
[07:15] <cthulfuego> nern: Just install ubuntu, but start it with 'server', so you get the base and not all that heavyweight Gnome 2.10 stuff.
[07:15] <matjan_> bob2: well... that sucks big time
[07:15] <cthulfuego> nern: When that's all done, install X and say openbox.
[07:15] <bob2> matjan_: yes
[07:16] <wulfepup> okey dokey folks ... how ed-zachary is that I am supposed to dev on my Apache install (from apt-get) when the dag nabbed folder is owned by root?  I tried sudo chown -R 775 /var/www/ but it didn't appear to work...the folder and subfolder/files are still 755
[07:16] <cthulfuego> wulfepup: chown doesn't like chmod params.
[07:16] <Jesse1> i have the live cd at the moment and if i install any packages through the repositories is there anyway to keep them when i reboot?
[07:16] <nern> cthulfuego: thats a great idea... i prolly would have just done a standard install, and then installed the other window manager over that, but yer idea is MUCH better
[07:16] <bob2> wulfepup: by making subdirectories and putting stuff in them
[07:16] <cthulfuego> wulfepup: Are there any directories IN /var/www ?
[07:17] <bob2> wulfepup: or by just chown'ing /var/www/
[07:17] <cthulfuego> nern: Waiting for gnome would take ages :-)
[07:17] <nern> yeah
[07:17] <nern> while it unpacked all that shit
[07:17] <synd> cthulfuego: frys is the way to go, imo
[07:18] <synd> if youre in the states
[07:18] <cthulfuego> synd: never!
[07:18] <nern> yeah i installed ubuntu on my buddy's old P2 400mhz and that took long enough
[07:18] <GMAN2003> if i dont have the ubuntu cd installed or the cd files on my system, is there a way to still read those necessary files on the cd from the HD?
[07:18] <synd> cthulfuego: too risky?
[07:18] <nern> i dont think i wanna see it on a 200mhz processor
[07:19] <synd> ahh yea
[07:19] <cthulfuego> synd: I have no plans of (ever again) going near the US
[07:19] <wulfepup> Doh!
[07:19] <wulfepup> chmod seems to work better than chown... LOL  (I made my user a member of group root for ease of doing stuff.)
[07:19] <wulfepup> id-10-t error.. pebkac..
[07:19] <nern> i like newegg
[07:19] <parabolize> newegg is good
[07:19] <synd> cthulfuego: no fun
[07:19] <GMAN2003> zipzoomfly is good, dealsonic is good too
[07:19] <cthulfuego> synd: not my fault, I didn't elect the monkey and his policies ;-)
[07:19] <GMAN2003> newegg sometimes rapes u on shipping
[07:19] <synd> anyone frequent techbargains?
[07:19] <bob2> cthulfuego: have you ever mail ordered from scorptech?
[07:19] <nern> i have plans of escaping the US
[07:19] <GMAN2003> techbargains is stellar
[07:20] <nern> haha
[07:20] <cthulfuego> bob2: Well.
[07:20] <zyiro> nern i ran ubuntu on a celeron 400 for about 3 weeks with 64 mb ram it ran okay but i did the server install
[07:20] <cthulfuego> bob2: yes, but I've invariably gone to pick it up by car, coz faster :-)
[07:20] <GMAN2003> sometimes i find lots better deals than them
[07:20] <synd> cthulfuego: me is ultra-conservative : )
[07:20] <bob2> cthulfuego: hah
[07:20] <GMAN2003> synd, did u get my question?
[07:20] <bob2> cthulfuego: I tried to order something, but they called me two days later to say they were out of stock
[07:20] <cthulfuego> synd: You'd love australia then
[07:20] <cthulfuego> bob2: *nod*
[07:20] <synd> GMAN2003: no i didnt
[07:20] <cthulfuego> bob2: Did they give any indication when it'd be back in?
[07:21] <nern> zyiro: did you install X after the server install and try using a window manager?
[07:21] <GMAN2003> when i try to install certain appz, i keep getting a message that the system wants to take files from the ubuntu cd
[07:21] <bob2> cthulfuego: "a few days"...but taking 2 days to even look at my order was a bit discouraging
[07:21] <GMAN2003> problem is, this pc now does not have a cd drive
[07:21] <bob2> GMAN2003: "appz" is not a word, btw ;)
[07:21] <nern> GMAN2003: comment out the cd in yer sources.list file
[07:21] <wulfepup> bbl
[07:21] <bob2> GMAN2003: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out (add a # to the beginning of the line) that mentions the cd
[07:21] <cthulfuego> bob2: it's a bit long, yes. I normally ring them first to check availability, then order via the web.
[07:22] <bob2> ah
[07:22] <zyiro> no i dont think it would have worked and if it did it would have been so slow it would be unuseable;
[07:22] <GMAN2003> mfb, Applications, bob2
[07:22] <cthulfuego> bob2: ... and then make them call me when it's in, so I can go get it.
[07:22] <bartekp> bob2: http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/crackers.html d-;
[07:22] <cthulfuego> Too bad the bastards don't accept AMEX.
[07:22] <nern> well my friends P2 400mhz is certainly usable, im just wanting to experiment
[07:22] <nern> itll be fun
[07:22] <bob2> people still have AMEX cards? ;)
[07:22] <cthulfuego> bob2: Corporate ones at that!
[07:22] <nern> crack that sucker open and clean the dust out of it
[07:22] <bob2> haha
[07:23] <nern> and throw it in a case i have lying around
[07:23] <zyiro> the slowers i used it on was a 750 i ran that tith the Xserver and it ran fine
[07:23] <cthulfuego> bob2: handy when you're in Hong Kong and just _have_ to have that camera ;-)
[07:23] <nern> then try to give it life!
[07:23] <zyiro> slowest*
[07:23] <synd> nern: i still like damn small on pre-p3 systems
[07:23] <toresbe> (HTML OT) Hmm, also, how do I specify table width? I'm used to width="50%" but there's apparently some haughty-taughty CSS replacement
[07:23] <bob2> toresbe: presumably .width
[07:23] <cthulfuego> toresbe: <table style="width: 50%;">
[07:24] <nern> synd: yeah... i have a couple damn small cds laying around... ill give that a shot first
[07:24] <bob2> cthulfuego: hah
[07:24] <synd> nern: cool
[07:24] <bob2> cthulfuego: does work buy your computers and such?
[07:24] <liz4rd> I COMMAND YOU ALL TO UPLOAD YOUR SCREENSHOTS TO http://irclikelife.com/liz4rd/upload/ username: public password: user ^_^
[07:24] <r0bby> did tightvnc drop off the face of the planet?
[07:24] <zyiro> nern i diddnt like ubuntu as aserver so i went back to good ol failthful Debian Woody with no gui for a server
[07:24] <synd> liz4rd: eh?
[07:25] <liz4rd> yeah
[07:25] <Jesse1> i have the live cd at the moment and if i install any packages through the repositories is there anyway to keep them when i reboot?
[07:25] <liz4rd> trying to get alot of screenshots
[07:25] <liz4rd> and everyone can view each others
[07:25] <liz4rd> its cool
[07:25] <synd> liz4rd: right
[07:25] <cthulfuego> well, it's _not_ warm
[07:25] <nern> sarge is stable now
[07:25] <nern> its exciting
[07:26] <nern> fuckin 28 or 29 cds
[07:26] <nern> damn
[07:26] <r0bby> I'll send you a screen shot of my idle desktop :P
[07:26] <synd> fuck that
[07:26] <liz4rd> lol
[07:26] <liz4rd> just take one right now
[07:26] <bob2> nern: dude
[07:26] <r0bby> with default ubuntu wallpaper
[07:26] <bob2> nern: you can install from a 30MB .iso
[07:26] <cthulfuego> nern: Just a single dual layer dvd
[07:26] <bob2> nern: it just has 14 cds worth of software available, if you want it.  if ubuntu made cds of the whole archive, it would be of a similar size.
[07:26] <nern> yeah i know
[07:27] <nern> if i were to install debian again
[07:27] <nern> id prolly do the testing netinstall
[07:27] <GMAN2003> can you have "universe multiverse main restricted" in the sections field of the repositories?
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> deffy: yes
[07:27] <GMAN2003> in synaptic
[07:27] <synd> the ability for ubuntu to have everything that it has and be on 1 CD is pretty nice though
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> er
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> GMAN2003: yes
[07:27] <bob2> GMAN2003: if you want
[07:27] <bob2> synd: debian is similar in that regard
[07:27] <bob2> but with less hand-tuning
[07:27] <synd> i see
[07:28] <raghu> i have Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G] /GE video chipset has any one got working this with good resolution
[07:28] <GMAN2003> well i keep getting that same error synd, when i try adding another "application" bob
[07:28] <bob2> you can certainly install from the first cd, and get an x desktop, etc
[07:28] <bob2> GMAN2003: what error?
[07:28] <hondje> raghu: yes, works fine
[07:28] <bob2> raghu: desktop?
[07:29] <GMAN2003> "couldnt start the source package list cdrom:// ..........etc"
[07:29] <raghu> hondje: yes, how by default it supports 640x480 in my machine
[07:29] <bob2> GMAN2003: so, run 'sudo apt-get update'
[07:29] <raghu> hondje:need to compile drivers?
[07:29] <GMAN2003> ran that, did nothing
[07:29] <raghu> bob2: yes
[07:29] <zyiro> okay liz4rd  here u go enjoy
[07:29] <bob2> GMAN2003: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[07:29] <zyiro> http://irclikelife.com/liz4rd/upload/index.php?act=view&file=U2NyZWVuc2hvdC5wbmc=
[07:29] <vinux> Hey guys so ubuntu can use .deb pkgs right?
[07:30] <zyiro> yes
[07:30] <bob2> vinux: that's what ubuntu is based on, yes
[07:30] <bob2> vinux: but please don't go installing random .debs
[07:30] <hondje> raghu: No, Ubuntu comes with the i810 driver. The problem is likely the horiz/vert settings Ubuntu pcked for you
[07:30] <GMAN2003> just gave me the same error when i typed in sudo apt-get update
[07:30] <r0bby> ubuntu is debian based
[07:30] <r0bby> :P
[07:30] <bob2> GMAN2003: no, please do what I said
[07:30] <vinux> So if I buy debian and get all the cds I can just put them and install without downloading right?
[07:30] <bob2> vinux: ou can install debian, yes
[07:30] <bob2> vinux: you can't use them on ubuntu, in general
[07:30] <r0bby> I installed the mingw cross-compiler
[07:30] <r0bby> :)
[07:30] <vinux> bob2, oh ok
[07:31] <rideout> vinux: buy debian? that seems so wrong...
[07:31] <vinux> bob2, so debian is not totally compatible
[07:31] <GMAN2003> im assuming i have to type that in a terminal window?
[07:31] <r0bby> rideout, download an iso
[07:31] <vinux> rideout, hehe I ment money for the cds
[07:31] <bob2> vinux: ubuntu hoary is not generally package compatible with debian sarge, no
[07:31] <r0bby> the only thing you're paying for is the cds
[07:31] <r0bby> and the labor
[07:31] <bob2> GMAN2003: no, it's a file you need to show us
[07:32] <r0bby> GMAN2003, you're using xchat correct?
[07:32] <nern> ive gotten a couple packages from debian unstable
[07:32] <r0bby> in #flood
[07:32] <r0bby> do
[07:32] <nern> but i wouldnt use it regularly
[07:32] <r0bby> /exec -o cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:32] <vinux> bob2, well that's ok i'm still sticking with the best linux on earth! ubuntu
[07:32] <GMAN2003> yep
[07:32] <r0bby> do that in #flood
[07:32] <r0bby> (not here)
[07:33] <r0bby> it will flood like a mofo
[07:33] <vile_> how do i share the internet connection from my linux computer to my windows computer? I've got 2 NICs in the linux computer and a crossover going to the windows computer. i've tried http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/ShareInternetConnection/ to no avail
[07:33] <raghu> hondje: okay thx let me play with it.
[07:33] <r0bby> hmm
[07:33] <synd> vile_: been trying to figure out myself.
[07:33] <Jesse1> its easy to do it the other way
[07:33] <hondje> raghu: give 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' a try
[07:33] <r0bby> you need to nat
[07:33] <r0bby> that's what you need to do
[07:34] <vile_> tried http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO.html#toc4.1 also
[07:34] <vile_> still no luck
[07:34] <r0bby> I had an iptables rules file that did natting
[07:34] <r0bby> lost it
[07:34] <GMAN2003> aight
[07:34] <concept10> vile_, you don't have router?
[07:34] <r0bby> vile_, i don't know what to tell you, those documents work.
[07:35] <GMAN2003> bob2: lemme know when u c it
[07:35] <raghu> hondje: okay
[07:35] <r0bby> it has to be something you're doing
[07:35] <r0bby> :P
[07:35] <vile_> concept10, its kind of hard to explain, i've got a router and a hub
[07:35] <bob2> vile_: install the ipmasq package
[07:35] <bob2> GMAN2003: so, you didn't actually comment out the cd rom line
[07:35] <bob2> GMAN2003: go do that, and it'll stop trying to access it
[07:36] <GMAN2003> where do i comment out?
[07:36] <keith> Could use some help installing Ubuntu on a laptop. Brand new HP Pavillion zv6008cl, AMD 64. When I try booting the install or live CDs, it goes to the "choose language" screen and freezes (or, maybe it's not recognizing the laptop keyboard). Can anyone lend a hand?
[07:36] <vile_> perhaps i have to mess with the setting on the windows computer
[07:36] <bob2> 15:21:49           bob2 | GMAN2003: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out (add a # to the beginning of the line) that mentions the cd
[07:36] <bob2> GMAN2003: as above
[07:36] <GMAN2003> easy enough
[07:37] <synd> vile_: its most likely the linux box
[07:38] <concept10> Anyone use amule?
[07:38] <goofyheadedpunk> I just installed Ubuntu on a laptop and both the console and X environments have a ~3cm border around the content of the screen and the border of the monitor. I've never had this problem with X before, only console. Anyone have any idea what's going on?
[07:38] <vile_> heh, taking bob2's advice and installing the ipmasq package
[07:38] <goofyheadedpunk> concept10: I do.
[07:38] <goofyheadedpunk> Oh crap, I sent that earlier. Sorry.
[07:38] <concept10> you know how I might speed up transfers?
[07:38] <_root_> is there any benefit if the login shell for a root user is static ?
[07:38] <bob2> not usually
[07:39] <bob2> if youre a paranoid sysadmin running a critical machine, it might be worth it
[07:39] <goofyheadedpunk> concept10: The trick is you don't. Patience will bring you wait you're, likely, stealing.
[07:39] <goofyheadedpunk> concept10: It's the network, not the client, that's slow.
[07:39] <concept10> goofyheadedpunk, stealing lol
[07:40] <concept10> im trying to download a podcast
[07:40] <goofyheadedpunk> concept10: Woops. Assumed too much. ;)
[07:40] <goofyheadedpunk> Hehe.
[07:40] <Jesse1> i have the live cd at the moment and if i install any packages through the repositories is there anyway to keep them when i reboot?
[07:40] <GMAN2003> bob2, keeps telling me access denied
[07:41] <concept10> Jesse1, do a full install
[07:41] <bob2> GMAN2003: when you say things like that, you need to tell us *what* is saying "access denied"
[07:41] <goofyheadedpunk> concept10: Yeah, it's the network that's slow. You'll just have to be patient. Or see if there's a torrent with a lot of seeds. That always works when I'm in a hurry.
[07:41] <GMAN2003> im trying to edit the line
[07:41] <keith> One more try. Sorry to be a bother... I could use some help installing Ubuntu on a laptop. Brand new HP Pavillion zv6008cl, AMD 64. When I try booting the install or live CDs, it goes to the "choose language" screen and freezes (or, maybe it's not recognizing the laptop keyboard). Can anyone lend a hand?
[07:41] <concept10> Jesse1, jabe you ever heard of ram?
[07:41] <Jesse1> i would be the cd's are comming in the mail so untill then is there any way?
[07:42] <Jesse1> ram as in the hardware?
[07:42] <concept10> Jesse1, keep your computer on
[07:42] <bob2> GMAN2003: so, some text editor is giving you that error?
[07:42] <bob2> GMAN2003: run "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" in a terminal
[07:42] <GMAN2003> bob2, i tried using a couple of editors to comment out the cd line, and all keep saying Access Denied
[07:42] <hondje> keith: If you hit F1 (IIRC), it should give you some options
[07:43] <bob2> GMAN2003: yes, of course, you need root permissions to edit files in /etc/
[07:43] <Jesse1> yea ill try to keep my computer on as long as i can
[07:43] <keith> hondje: I went through every option screen, trying a few options, and nothing changed the behavior I was getting.
[07:43] <bob2> GMAN2003: run the command I gave you
[07:43] <hondje> keith: Did you try the acpi=off thing? I don't know laptops at all, but I hear that suggested a lot
[07:43] <GMAN2003> alright, comment out, and close?
[07:44] <bob2> GMAN2003: then save and exit
[07:44] <keith> not sure if that's one of the things I tried. gimme a sec and I'll try it :)
[07:44] <dbernar1> ,
[07:44] <vile_> bob2, is there anything i need to know about ipmasq?
[07:44] <atholas> Can someone please check for me whether screensaver-properties.desktop is in /usr/share/control-center-2.0/capplets in hoary?
[07:45] <vile_> it doesnt seem to be recognizing eth1 just eth0
[07:45] <dbernar1> !hi
[07:45] <ubotu> dbernar1: Are you smoking crack?
[07:45] <keith> What's a little ironic about my trouble is that supposedly HP was working with the Ubuntu team to get Ubuntu working great on their laptops.
[07:45] <dbernar1> !hi
[07:45] <ubotu> dbernar1: No idea
[07:45] <wulfepup> turns out I suck at this Linux crap and I'm heading back to an environment that behaves the way I expect it to.  When i install something I'd like to friggin be able to use it. If soemthing else installs it for me, I'd still like to be able to use it and find it and stuff.
[07:45] <keith> though, maybe we won't see the results of that until the next release?
[07:45] <dbernar1> ok, sorry, just testing something''
[07:46] <wulfepup> I thought aptitude/Synaptic/apt-get was the bomb-diggity but I can find my way around this thing..
[07:46] <wulfepup> err can't
[07:46] <wulfepup> keith, only certain laptops cheif
[07:46] <dbernar1> see ya:P
[07:47] <GMAN2003> bob2, frickin sweet dude, thx for the tip, F3 to save
[07:47] <GMAN2003> synaptic boots w/o the error now
[07:47] <keith> hondje: Tried acpi=off and it freezes even earlier, during boot. Last message is "i8042.c: Detected active multiplexing controller, rev 1.1". So, that's a no go.
[07:47] <wulfepup> keith, try doing noapic I've seen that in many a google'd page
[07:47] <BratCat> i have a problem trying to su in a konsole
[07:47] <keith> I tried noapic and the other no-something command earlier.
[07:48] <BratCat> i know the password is correct because wehn i use that password i can open kynaptic but it doesnt see it as correct when i try to su with it
[07:48] <hondje> keith: sorry, no clue then :-/
[07:48] <GMAN2003> bob2, if u ever need any halo tips, gimme a call
[07:49] <keith> any chance that one of the noapic and the other no-something command might work if tried inependently?
[07:49] <dbernar1> BratCat its turned off, www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/rootsudo
[07:49] <wulfepup> keith, beyond me as well...  I have a zv5000 series that I've giot basically working with it
[07:49] <BratCat> oh
[07:49] <keith> hmm... other option... laptops don't have a special keyboard layout... like, instead of 'dvorak' or 'us'?
[07:50] <thechitowncubs> does anyone use FreeNX?
[07:50] <thechitowncubs> I apt-get'ed it but I have no idea how to connect
[07:51] <retrodick> help me please!!
[07:51] <dbernar1> no.
[07:51] <retrodick> :(
[07:51] <BratCat> thank you! got it turned on now!
[07:52] <dbernar1> thats not a good thing:P
[07:52] <dbernar1> go, dick, we'll try
[07:52] <keith> oh well. Thanks wulfepup, hondje.
[07:52] <BratCat> how do i get the universal debian apt source so i can get more stuff?
[07:52] <wulfepup> keith,  your guess is as good as mine I'm basically a Linux n00b getting ready to give upi if I can't figure out how and where and iff the PHP got installed on this dang thiong
[07:52] <wulfepup> keith, I used this page (http://wiki.cynapses.org/index.php/TIP_HP_Pavilion_zv5000_Notebook) to get my wireless running...
[07:53] <BratCat> i want supertux and its not in the ubunto apt
[07:53] <retrodick> how to install *.deb file package?
[07:53] <dbernar1> sure it is, BratCat
[07:53] <BratCat> dpkg -i debianpackage.deb
[07:53] <dbernar1> BratCat now where to find sources.list?
[07:54] <BratCat> mmhmm
[07:54] <dbernar1> retrodick try finding the file in apt-get first
[07:54] <keith> wulfepup, thanks for the link
[07:54] <dbernar1> BratCat that was intended as a know.
[07:54] <BratCat> mmhmm i do
[07:54] <dbernar1> retrodick tune into my and BratCat 's discussion, youll get a better chance of finding the file in apt-get
[07:55] <dbernar1> ok, http://www.mts.net/~danb/sources.list
[07:55] <dbernar1> make it that
[07:55] <dbernar1> help retrodick  make  it that too, then both update...
[07:55] <dbernar1> and try installling supertux, it is there, and you retrodick try installing whatever you ahppen to be installing using apt-get or aptitude, even better.
[07:56] <dbernar1> ok, latahz
[07:57] <BratCat> ok thank you
[07:57] <retrodick> dpkg -i debianpackage.deb <<---but it return error "package architecture (powerpc) does not match system (i386)
[07:57] <retrodick> Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:57] <retrodick>  nvu_1.0PR-1_powerpc.deb
[07:57] <retrodick> "
[07:58] <retrodick> ugh...
[07:58] <retrodick> i really need this nvu
[07:58] <retrodick> any sugesst?
[07:58] <BratCat> what is nvu?
[07:58] <gm78> retrodick : u r trying to run a ppc compiled deb on a non ppc machine
[07:58] <gm78> BratCat : nvu is a wysiwyg html editor
[07:58] <retrodick> NVU such a WYSWIG html editor
[07:58] <gm78> retrodick : query me...i know how to get it running
[07:58] <BratCat> ok ok, i thought it might be an nvidia thing
[07:59] <gm78> BratCat : it is sponsered by linspire and is based on mozilla composer...it will probably replace it like Firefox and Thunderbird did to the rest of the suite
[07:59] <retrodick> i dun know....but im sure my pc is not an nvdia
[07:59] <retrodick> ups
[08:00] <gm78> retrodick : no. a ppc is a mac. i386 or x86 is an intel/amd computer
[08:00] <hondje> Not always a mac....
[08:00] <retrodick> i386 base
[08:00] <gm78> retrodick : i opened a private chat
[08:01] <gm78> hondje : well yeah. but there arent many cheap ppc computers that arent macs...ibm's power based workstations start at $4000
[08:01] <hondje> Yeah, got one at the office
[08:01] <hondje> The I/O on that thing rocks, too bad it isn't mine
[08:01] <hondje> Plus mkuser is such a good name, fits the scheme X-(
[08:02] <gm78> hondje : linux or aix?
[08:02] <hondje> aix
[08:02] <hondje> I really have a deep rooted hate with 'useradd'
[08:03] <hondje> just the name, it's terrible
[08:03] <maswan> hondje: well, passwd-ng was part of a project to make that happen, I think it is coreutils-ng now
[08:03] <wulfepup> no one *needs* a Wussy Wig editor. just use vi or pico or gedit or emacs or (etc etc etc)
[08:03] <hondje> maswan: To get rid of the name useradd?
[08:03] <wulfepup> If you *need* wussy wig  you don't *need* to be doing HTML
[08:03] <wulfepup> ((sorry just had to vent that one. ))
[08:04] <wulfepup> hondje, but it, too is appropo .. mst users do have add....
[08:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> anyone know of some sources of good "internet tv" that i can use in helix player, or gstreamer apps in general?
[08:04] <wulfepup> pings please?
[08:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> i hate tv, but wouldn't mind some bbc or something..
[08:04] <hondje> wulfepup: yeah, but you mkdir, mkthis, mkthat, it fits the scheme
[08:04] <maswan> hondje: to get nice, aix, naming on those utils
[08:04] <hondje> maswan: That makes me feel good to hear!
[08:05] <maswan> wulfepup: also, there is lsuser, lsfs, lspv, rmuser, rmfs, ...
[08:05] <Cybermagellan> can someone help nudge me in the right direction of setting up proftpd, It looks XML'ish....but I don't know what specifics I have to have.
[08:05] <kakalto> how do I format a hdd, and make it fat32?
[08:06] <hondje> maswan: I can't believe only AIX does that, it seems so obvious
[08:06] <hondje> chuser, too
[08:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> kakalto use cfdisk
[08:06] <Chris-> Could anyone help me with partitioning my harddrive?
[08:06] <wulfepup> yu guys are fun.....Ubuntu is fun .....
[08:06] <wulfepup> BUT
[08:06] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER, continue?
[08:07] <hondje> like having adduser and useradd...wtf?
[08:07] <kakalto> I'm in cfdisk
[08:07] <Cybermagellan> to add a user is it <adduser> username </adduser> or is it <username ~/dir/to/ftp>?
[08:07] <kakalto> BROKEN_LADDER, do I want fat32, or fat32 (LBA)?
[08:08] <wulfepup> I quit. I don't know enough to anything worthwhile.. but I do know enough to crash my system.. *sigh*
[08:08] <rob^> ?
[08:09] <maswan> hondje: well, the progress on sysutils[-ng]  seems slow, but there is some working code so you can replace it on your system at least. :)
[08:09] <Cybermagellan> did I stump everyone?
[08:09] <hondje> maswan: I might end up doing that...right now I just alias stuff, which is odd because I rarely use AIX
[08:09] <hondje> I just like consistency
[08:11] <Cybermagellan> Hmmm...
[08:11] <maswan> hondje: well, chgrpmem or chuser foo -a pgrp=bar might be hard to do in aliases. :)
[08:12] <hondje> maswan: yeah, indeed it is
[08:12] <cletus> can I move an entry in Grub's config from the bottom to the top and have it boot as the default os?
[08:13] <thechitowncubs> Does anyone use FreeNX
[08:13] <vile_> is the ubuntu website down for anyone else?
[08:13] <BratCat> is there a way to get my live drive to work in ubuntu?
[08:14] <wulfepup> ok, so using Synaptic to install PHP doesn't actually install it and get it running it just dumps it on your HD *somewhere* and expects everything to be ok.  Or at least that is the way it seems in my case.
[08:14] <wulfepup> I don't know how.. but I also ended up with Apache and Apache 2 .... how do I know which is running?
[08:14] <wulfepup> I think, just maybe, that Ubuntu is too easy. id10ts like myself should never be allowed near stuff like Linux.  just leave us to our bill-of-vorg boxes....
[08:14] <hondje> vile_: up here
[08:14] <wulfepup> borg .. not vorg
[08:14] <hondje> vile_: I did see some email about the wiki's being moved from plone, though
[08:14] <Cybermagellan> they're going to moin
[08:14] <hondje> that's right
[08:16] <hondje> ubuntu-devel is pretty amusing though
[08:17] <hondje> I enjoyed the long iptables/laptop thing
[08:17] <Cybermagellan> I start most the wars on there....
[08:18] <Chris-> Could anyone willing to help me with the partitioning for dual boot setup please PM me please? Thank you.
[08:18] <wulfepup> I got greedy.. I was sitting on a 400+KBps connection ... and I dl'ed too much and now I don't know what all I installed or where any of it is.
[08:18] <hondje> wulfepup: using apt, or just downloading?
[08:18] <wulfepup> Let alone how to use any of it
[08:19] <wulfepup> Synaptic
[08:19] <hondje> ah
[08:19] <wulfepup> (so yeah, apt)
[08:19] <hondje> it's installed where it needs to be
[08:19] <hondje> what did you install?
[08:20] <wulfepup> hondje, ooohhh too much.. and some stuff with dependencies (using smart) ..
[08:20] <cthulfuego> wulfepup: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/
[08:21] <hondje> hehe, there is that route :)
[08:21] <wulfepup> the main things I want to play with are the PHP and Apache....  turns out two Apaches are installed... Apache2 and Apache... and PHP isn't installed to run.. it is just existing.
[08:21] <hondje> Ah
[08:22] <hondje> What do you mean, not installed to run?
[08:22] <wulfepup> ((and MySQL -- I'm pretty sure that's running but I haven't even set up root yet))
[08:22] <_kaz> Is there a way to have the update service automatically install the updates?
[08:22] <cthulfuego> wulfepup: Remove apache, run 'sudo a2enmod php4; sudo apache2ctl graceful'
[08:22] <hondje>  /var/www is your apache happy place, now, btw, though having two might be un-good
[08:22] <wulfepup> Apache (or Apache2, whichever is actually running right now) is not configured to handle PHP...
[08:22] <cthulfuego> _kaz: Unattended updates are a BAD idea.
[08:23] <_kaz> I was thinking about setting up ubuntu for my family members who shouldn't have computers because they can't stop getting trojaned.
[08:23] <wulfepup> cthulfuego, to remove apache you mean via apt?
[08:23] <_kaz> cthulfuego: no doubt. no updates could be worse in certain cases though.
[08:23] <hondje> on a stable distro I don't see why that'd be bad, cthulfuego
[08:23] <cthulfuego> wulfepup: apt-get remove --purge apache
[08:23] <_kaz> or maybe there is something that can assist in nagging that updates are waiting.
[08:24] <cthulfuego> hondje: What if say an 'passwd' update fails due to disk full?
[08:24] <_kaz> something more than the little icon in top right tray.
[08:24] <rem_> .
[08:24] <hondje> _kaz: You want to use cron
[08:24] <_kaz> hondje: cron how?
[08:25] <topyli> _kaz: ssh into their box once in a while and run the updates :)
[08:25] <hondje> _kaz: you'll have to do some reading on cron, it's not a 'click here' sorta thing
[08:25] <cthulfuego> topyli: Indeed.
[08:25] <goofyheadedpunk> Being new to ubuntu this is my first time using sudo. I've got a fresh ubuntu installation and want to do something using sudo. Is the root password set in the ubuntu installation not the sudo password?
[08:25] <cthulfuego> _kaz: if it was a good idea to do unattended updates, there'd be a default option to do it.
[08:26] <cthulfuego> goofyheadedpunk: sudo wants *your* password. Ubuntu has no root password.
[08:26] <hondje> cthulfuego: well, throw in apt-get clean, but you make a good point
[08:26] <goofyheadedpunk> cthulfuego: I see.
[08:26] <wulfepup> cthulfuego, ok  .. apache removed... "This module is already enabled!" and "httpd not running, trying to start"
[08:26] <_kaz> topyli: ahh... good idea.
[08:27] <cthulfuego> wulfepup: is apache2 running now, then?
[08:27] <cthulfuego> _kaz: ssh is how I maintain remote debian sarge servers fo clients.
[08:27] <_kaz> hondje: I know cron... just curious what to cron.
[08:27] <_kaz> I meant   s/cron how/cron what
[08:27] <wulfepup> yup..
[08:27] <wulfepup> which httpd.conf should I tweak for adding php (since it's still trying to "open or save" them)?
[08:28] <hondje> _kaz: there's a script already in cron.daily for apt, that's how the magic update applet knows to work, I'd add a bit to that to do apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:28] <cthulfuego> wulfepup: Quit your browser and reopen it. it's probably caching.
[08:28] <_kaz> ah ok
[08:28] <goofyheadedpunk> Is the kernel source on the install cd? I have to hack tulip to get a silly Microsoft MN-120 to function, but I don't have the kernel source on the laptop without an ethernet card.
[08:29] <_kaz> thanks. I'll look into that.
[08:29] <hondje> hehe
[08:29] <hondje> somone in the forums suggested messing with inittab to reduce the gettys taking up memory :D
[08:30] <wulfepup> arrggg  no.. the files are .phtml instead of .php  I just need to go edit those.
[08:31] <cthulfuego> hondje: Sheesh, deperate measures ;-)
[08:31] <topyli> i wonder how much a getty actually takes :)
[08:31] <hondje> cthulfuego: I'm just waiting for someone to rip off a how-to on that, and see how many do it
[08:31] <cthulfuego> wulfepup: oh, edit /etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.conf
[08:32] <hondje> that'd be a great troll
[08:32] <Madpilot> hondje: according to Symtem Mon, they don't take up *any* resources just sitting there... :)
[08:32] <cthulfuego> topyli: 28Kb it seems
[08:33] <DanielC> Stupid question: Do I need Postfix to check my mail? (IMAP).
[08:33] <cthulfuego> DanielC: no.
[08:33] <HrdwrBoB> no
[08:33] <cthulfuego> DanielC: postfix is for sending/relaying mail
[08:33] <DanielC> Ok, thanks. I'll delete it then.
[08:33] <topyli> DanielC: no!
[08:33] <hondje> 472KB RSS on mine
[08:33] <DanielC> oh
[08:33] <DanielC> ok
[08:33] <cthulfuego> DanielC: you -do_ want an mta (like postfix) though!
[08:33] <DanielC> Oh, so I need it for sending.
[08:33] <cthulfuego> hondje: holy crap batman!
[08:33] <rob^> why?
[08:34] <topyli> DanielC: you get system mail through the local postfix
[08:34] <hondje> cthulfuego: Yeah, a bit surprising
[08:34] <DanielC> topyli: Ok, I see. Well... I'm glad I asked. I almost did something stupid.
[08:34] <cthulfuego> DanielC: Depends. if you use a client like evolution with a remote smtp server you _could_ go without postfix, but the local system processes like to be able to send mail about errors etc.
[08:35] <DanielC> cthulfuego: Ok. I'm actually using Thunderbird with a remote SMTP server. But it looks like I should keep Postfix anyways...
[08:35] <_kaz> is gnome faster than kde? (or is ubuntu desktop more 'snappy' than kubuntu desktop on the same hardware?)
[08:36] <hondje> _kaz: You'll never get a good answer to that :)
[08:36] <cthulfuego> DanielC: You could replace postfix with zmail or soemthing else that's tiny.
[08:36] <cthulfuego> s/zmail/zmailer/
[08:36] <_kaz> I ask because on my notebook running ubuntu, there seems to be freezing sometimes... just for a split second
[08:36] <hondje> I think KDE is faster for a bare desktop, Gnome when you load up the toys
[08:36] <_kaz> but its like its accessing disc or something (its installed, not liveCD)
[08:36] <DanielC> cthulfuego: Is that hard to do? Do I just install zmailer with Synamptic and that's it?
[08:37] <cthulfuego> _kaz: On my amd64 desktop Gnome is faster. On my wife's Mac Mini KDE is faster.
[08:37] <cthulfuego> DanielC: yep
[08:37] <DanielC> cthulfuego: Thanks for the help. I appreciate it.
[08:37] <hondje> cthulfuego: hehe, I"m not the only one that bought a mini mac for that reason? :D
[08:37] <cthulfuego> DanielC: Or try nullmailer if you don't much care about errors logs.
[08:37] <goofyheadedpunk> Okay, let's say I need to get my hands on ubuntu's kernel config without having apt ability. How do I do that?
[08:37] <goofyheadedpunk> Stated another way, where's the kernel config located on the internet?
[08:37] <hondje> goofyheadedpunk: you can install the kernel-headers package
[08:38] <cthulfuego> hondje: Well, Tiger with CaseSenstitiveHFSPlus has issues with adobe software and likes more then 512Mb ram, so she's just in linux most of the time.
[08:38] <hondje> cthulfuego: ah
[08:38] <hondje> I bought mine one so that I wouldn't have to keep paying for cedega and ssh'ing to fix stuff
[08:38] <cthulfuego> That _may_ change if either Adobe get their shit together and TEST thei software before shipping and we order a new 1GB stick of ram.
[08:39] <goofyheadedpunk> hondje: I've never used a debian system before. Mostly BSDs, so I'm still a bit shakey on how it all works. ( I've not stopped to RTFM closely, as I really would like to hack tulip, get this stupid NIC up, and then go to bed. ) I would issue "apt-get kernel-headers"? That seems like it would assume I can connect to the repositories though.
[08:39] <cthulfuego> hondje: And you know, we hav to boot OSX every now and they for the eyecandy ;-)
[08:40] <paxor> Excuse my newbness. I just installed ubuntu, what's a smooth way to install KDE, opt-get?
[08:41] <cthulfuego> paxor: synaptic, kubuntu-dektop
[08:41] <_kaz> paxor: did you see www.kubuntu.org ?
[08:41] <paxor> Yes, I did.
[08:41] <sk2> is it better to use here or the forums for troubleshooting an installation?
[08:41] <hondje> goofyheadedpunk: hold juuust a sec :()
[08:41] <_kaz> paxor: just checking, I'm a ubuntu newbie too.
[08:41] <hondje> cthulfuego: hehe
[08:41] <paxor> Isnt kubuntu a differnt distro (kinda) tho?
[08:42] <Cybermagellan> _kaz does just installing kubuntu-desktop give you KDE?
[08:42] <wulfepup> that is toooooooooooo odd....  1) I changed the files to be .php .. and the .phtml is already in the /etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.conf (didn't need to edit it.)
[08:42] <wulfepup> BUT it is still saying that I'm trying to dl a PHTML file what do I want to do with it.
[08:42] <wulfepup> How do I bring apache down and back up again?
[08:42] <goofyheadedpunk> hondje: Oh geez. I'm WAY too tired. I just found the sources on the install disk. Sorry. I should really have done this earlier in the day.
[08:42] <_kaz> cybermagellan: ask cthulfuego ;)
[08:42] <hondje> goofyheadedpunk: hehe :)
[08:42] <cthulfuego> wulfepup: /etc/init.d/apache2 stop; /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[08:43] <_kaz> I would guess that it gives you a bare/base KDE though.
[08:43] <Cybermagellan> Hmm.
[08:43] <cthulfuego> Cybermagellan: It does.
[08:43] <rideout>  wulfepup: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
[08:43] <_kaz> where maybe kubuntu would give you a pre-LOADED kde desktop based on the stuff included in that distro of ubuntu.
[08:43] <cthulfuego> _kaz: No, it gives you all Kubuntu stuff.
[08:43] <_kaz> all: or I could be wrong because I'm a ubuntu newbie. :] 
[08:44] <wulfepup> rideout, TY
[08:44] <wulfepup> init.d is my friend.. I must learn this.. *g*
[08:44] <_kaz> thats cool. So you can just apt-get install kde-desktop and have the option to load kde instead of gnome?
[08:44] <_kaz> could you load either/or then?
[08:44] <Cybermagellan> it's kubuntu-desktop
[08:45] <Whistler> i think u have to remove gnome
[08:46] <yahalom> how do i force apt-get to overwrite when upgrading?
[08:46] <paxor> Kinda confused my self. What's the difference between kubuntu and plain kde?
[08:47] <hondje> is /usr/share/kernel-package/config the config my kernel was compiled with?
[08:47] <yahalom> paxor, modified for ubuntu
[08:47] <rideout> wulfepup: you might want to check out "$man invoke-rc.d" that is the kosher way to do it, but sysv is overrated anyway
[08:47] <paxor> yahalom, as in what? secure, eyecandy> what>
[08:48] <Splane> i need help with Totem
[08:48] <hondje> or /usr/share/kernel-package/Config/config.i686 ?
[08:48] <rideout> are we going to have modular initscripts with dependcy resolutions to run them in parrallel by breezy? i think it is a bounty...
[08:49] <yahalom> paxor, neither. more like the apps they chose to be part of kde.
[08:49] <paxor> synaptic says kubuntutu 0.4, is that the latest KDE?
[08:50] <hondje> Kubuntu-desktop installs KDE 3.4
[08:50] <paxor> Check.
[08:50] <sk2> has anyone else had the installer continually look for nic-extra-modules-2.6.10 or are there any tips to skip this module?
[08:50] <cthulfuego> rideout: Breezy is stealing launchd from Apple? :-)
[08:50] <paxor> kubuntu will leave gnome alone, correct?
[08:50] <rideout> KDE 3.4.1: deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main
[08:50] <hondje> paxor: yeah, you can have both
[08:50] <paxor> ty.
[08:51] <hondje> paxor: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will put in kubuntu, and then you can pick between gnome or kde at the login screen
[08:51] <paxor> I'm on it sir.
[08:51] <rideout> cthulfuego: i'm not familar with osX, but if it does what i said, then yeah
[08:51] <hondje> 1-=4
[08:51] <hondje> er, 10-4
[08:51] <Splane> i just installed Ubuntu on my system.  I immediately downloaded a bunch of audio/video codecs in order to get Totem to play the files that I want.  However, when I try to open ANY movie file, DVD, or VCD, Totem freezes for a minute and then crashes.  What am I doing wrong?
[08:51] <Burgundavia> Splane, switch to totem-xine
[08:52] <Splane> ok
[08:52] <Splane> source forge?
[08:52] <NicP> or try vlc
[08:52] <NicP> no use apt-get
[08:52] <sk2> can anyone help with the installer locking up when installing additional modules?
[08:53] <rideout> cthulfuego: I found were I read it (linked from the proposed bounty page) http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/DependencyInit
[08:53] <cthulfuego> rideout: yes, apple released the source for their new Tiger init system; it auto-resolveds depends for scripts and launches stuff in parralel.
[08:54] <sk2> so i cannot run the installer on a system with 32 megabytes of ram?
[08:54] <Burgundavia> cthulfuego, the license they released it under is not entirely DFSG-free
[08:54] <cthulfuego> Burgundavia: Yeah, apple free software licenese or somesuch?
[08:54] <Burgundavia> cthulfuego, yes
[08:54] <GMAN2003> alright guys, so i need help again
[08:55] <hondje> slack maybe
[08:55] <GMAN2003> i keep downloading apps, but i cannot see them under my applications
[08:55] <Burgundavia> GMAN2003, most likely, they are not setup install something into the menu
[08:55] <cthulfuego> bartekp: There's no reason we need to know that.
[08:55] <GMAN2003> so how can i run them?
[08:55] <Burgundavia> GMAN2003, Hoary uses a different menu system than Warty
[08:56] <Burgundavia> GMAN2003, find out the program in /usr/bin and run it with applications-->run application
[08:56] <bartekp> cthulfuego: yes ;/
[08:57] <GMAN2003> what do you mean run--->application?
[08:57] <hondje> GMAN2003: click the applications menu, then the 'run applications' button is what he means
[08:57] <cthulfuego> bartekp: no.
[08:58] <cthulfuego> bartekp: if you do it, there's no reason 400 others can't as well. it's spam.
[08:58] <bartekp> cthulfuego: ok, no there's no reason you need to know tha
[08:58] <bartekp> t
[08:58] <paxor> speaking fo which ... if I want to a process from console without leaving that console open just for that process what do you end it with?
[08:58] <bartekp> cthulfuego: sorry
[08:58] <paxor> start*
[08:59] <GMAN2003> oh sure, yeah, i tried that already, no dice, i just installed mpg123 and it wont run
[08:59] <bigbill52a> 128 megs seems the minimum for live cd
[08:59] <bartekp> cthulfuego: What is spam? Spam is the same thing lots and lots of times.
[08:59] <paxor> say: firefox -(what)
[08:59] <bartekp> cthulfuego: http://www.usenet.pl/nospam/simple-english.txt
[08:59] <g1gaman> can anybody tell me what is the minimal size for each partition of ubuntu 4.10 version? (the problem is that i need to install ubuntu on two harddisks (1,7gb & 1 gb, and i runned out of disk space while hda was /ext3 and hdb was /swap. PLEASE, HELP ME GENTLEMEN!
[08:59] <kakalto> If I have the grub in the MBR of a SATA hdd, then plug in a new ATA hdd, how can I make it go to the SATA hdd?
[08:59] <cyphase> woohoo! It's my birthday in 1 minute! :D
[08:59] <paxor> happy B-Day.
[08:59] <sk2> has anyone managed to install ubuntu on 32 megabytes of ram, or should I look for an alternative distro?
[08:59] <bigbill52a> use it when i can on customers computers to move files...and then system rescue cd for anything less than 128 megs
[09:00] <kakalto> 'cause it goes to the ATA hdd, finds no MBR, and complains
[09:00] <plastbanan> My locale settings seems to be messed up. The date format for danish is wrong, while other date formats seem ok. How can I fix this?
[09:00] <kakalto> happy birthday, cyphase!
[09:00] <cyphase> thanx :D
[09:00] <bob2> g1gaman: begging is annoying and will make people ignore you
[09:00] <bob2> g1gaman: 1.8GB is required for the default install
[09:00] <bigbill52a> sk2 get more ram...you should have 256 megs for decent speed
[09:00] <bob2> (+ swap)
[09:01] <GMAN2003> hondje; any other suggestions?
[09:01] <cthulfuego> Rather than begging, pay us a consultant fee.
[09:01] <cthulfuego> it's much more effective ;-)
[09:01] <g1gaman> bob2, what should i do then? 1,7+1= approx 2,7
[09:01] <bob2> g1gaman: that doesn't help
[09:01] <bigbill52a> you can use text mode with less ram...no xwindows
[09:01] <kakalto> can I use a warty livecd to install grub to the MBR?
[09:01] <bigbill52a> or server mode
[09:02] <GMAN2003> bob2; im back with more questions
[09:02] <bob2> awesome
[09:02] <bigbill52a> even 128 megs is pushing it..
[09:02] <GMAN2003> :-/
[09:02] <GMAN2003> i know, noobies are no fun.....
[09:02] <bigbill52a> windows 98 barely works on 32 megs
[09:02] <sk2> ok then, I guess I'll look for another distribution
[09:03] <paxor> Guys, if I want to start a process from console without leaving that console open just for that process what do you end it with?  say: firefox -(what)
[09:03] <bigbill52a> you will still be faced with no xwindows...
[09:03] <GMAN2003> anyskoozels, just cant get some appz to load, they seem to install fine, but i try to run them and nothing happens
[09:03] <sk2> bigbill52a: its an old laptop
[09:03] <sk2> that's tolerable
[09:03] <bob2> paxor: it's nothing to do with the program being run
[09:03] <sk2> windows 98 runs alright, I have a friend running win2k on a lower specced laptop
[09:03] <bob2> paxor: nohup firefox&
[09:03] <sk2> In the forums they talk about http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39060&highlight=low+ram
[09:04] <bigbill52a> try the live cd and see if it will do anything
[09:05] <goofyheadedpunk> Say I've got foo.deb on my hard disk. How do I go about installing that without adding anything to sources.list?
[09:05] <bob2> 32MB of tam is not going to be much fun for anything graphical
[09:05] <hondje> goofyheadedpunk: dpkg -i foo.deb
[09:05] <bob2> goofyheadedpunk: what is it?
[09:05] <paxor> bob2, nohup is just what I need thanks.
[09:05] <DanielC> bob2, g1gaman: Shouldn't there be a way to (say) mount /usr on the 1.7 GB drive and mount / on the 1 GB?
[09:05] <goofyheadedpunk> bob2: Just a hypothetical.
[09:05] <sk2> In the installer it says "You must have at least 24 MB of RAM to use this installer", but in that forum post http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39060&highlight=low+ram they mention 32 mb, for the same problem as what I have
[09:05] <bigbill52a> you can go and eat lunch and come back  and.................................
[09:06] <bob2> DanielC: sure, you can do that during the install
[09:06] <goofyheadedpunk> hondje: Thanks.
[09:06] <bob2> sk2: it should enable low memory mode
[09:06] <sk2> I have the same problem as that guy, he was also running it on a laptop with 32mb of ram
[09:06] <bigbill52a> www.memoryx.com can give you some options even with old computers
[09:06] <bigbill52a> what do you have?
[09:06] <sk2> bob2: is there a way to check/force low memory mode?
[09:07] <sk2> ok
[09:07] <sk2> Toshiba 470CDT
[09:07] <bob2> sk2: not that I know of.  I'd try asking on the user list, personally/.
[09:07] <bigbill52a> just a minute
[09:07] <antiwmac> am i able to run ubuntu from vmware? i never get this thing rigt
[09:07] <cthulfuego> antiwmac: yep
[09:07] <bartekp> cthulfuego: so, what is spam?
[09:07] <g1gaman> DanielC, ok. i have to unpartioned harddisks? which partitions and what size should be on each of them?
[09:08] <DanielC> g1gaman: I can't remember the install process, so I'm guessing here. I would say that each disk should have just one partition; that /usr should go on the 1.7 GB disk and / should go on the 1 GB disk.
[09:08] <g1gaman> DanielC, ok. i have two unpartioned harddisks. which partitions and what size should be on each of them? sorry for misspelling
[09:09] <sk2> I have 2gb of hard disk, so perhaps I could set up swap somehow to extend the ram during install? (couldn't find anything in the forums on how to do this though)
[09:09] <DanielC> g1gaman: The /usr directory seems to take 1.4 GB on my system (this is not a default system, I've installed a lot of stuff).
[09:10] <DanielC> g1gaman: But for me, /usr has more stuff that all other directories put together.
[09:10] <bigbill52a> yeah...limited...
[09:10] <bigbill52a> i dont think you can add much more memory
[09:10] <bigbill52a> if any
[09:10] <g1gaman> DanielC, ok. thank you very much. i'll try to do your way
[09:11] <sk2> bigbill52a: do you reckon I could just use more swap space or something to install?
[09:11] <DanielC> g1gaman: Good luck. Hope it works.
[09:11] <bigbill52a> dont think so...but maybe someone else would have similar problem and solved it...
[09:11] <rideout> sk2: can you debootstap the hard dist from another comp with more ram and only install the things you need?
[09:12] <TokenBad> hmm..why will wmv files not play on here
[09:12] <sk2> rideout: do what?
[09:13] <uman> y0 all
[09:13] <sk2> rideout: sorry closed window
[09:13] <uman> \/\/h4t up m`/ h0m13z?!?11shift+one shift+one shift+two
[09:14] <rideout> sk2: well, if you can access the hd from another computer, you can run http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/admin/debootstrap
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[09:14] <uman> hello there, everyone.
[09:14] <rideout> sk2: basically is facilates a chroot install
[09:14] <rideout> sk2: chroot *net install
[09:15] <sk2> so you mean physically remove the laptop hdd and run it in another computer?
[09:15] <bigbill52a> Toshiba Satellite Pro 470CDT Memory
[09:15] <bigbill52a> Maximum Memory
[09:15] <bigbill52a> 144MB
[09:15] <bigbill52a> Memory Slots
[09:15] <bigbill52a> 1
[09:15] <bigbill52a> non-removable base memory
[09:15] <bigbill52a> 16MB
[09:16] <ubuntu> Hi - can anyone please let me know how to configure wirelan network on ubuntu
[09:16] <ubuntu> I have a Dell desktop PC and ubuntu is able to configure all the devices except my wireless lan card
[09:16] <bigbill52a> you can install up to 128 + 16 base for a total of 144 megs....for $109
[09:16] <bartekp> ubuntu: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/
[09:16] <anacron> ubuntu: you might have to use ndiswrapper
[09:16] <bigbill52a> and then you should be able to use xwindows
[09:16] <sk2> bigbill52a: in australia unfortunately
[09:17] <rideout> sk2: (sorry i missed the begining of your thread) that is one way, or also you can run it off a live-cd on your laptop. it doesn't have the memory overhead of the full installer, and only does a base system, but if your cool with apt it should be enough
[09:17] <bigbill52a> www.memoryx.com...can you order from there
[09:17] <ubuntu> Thx
[09:17] <sk2> rideout: I'm only really used to gentoo packages
[09:17] <sk2> ah ok bigbill52a
[09:17] <sk2> I think maybe the livecd method is worth a shot
[09:18] <sk2> Is there a way to not need the net connection to do the livecd install (since I already have the packages on the .iso cd)
[09:18] <bigbill52a> ubuntu live cd does not work without 128 megs...it will just hang with less memory....
[09:18] <sk2> yep, it's hanging as soon as it gets to installing the packages
[09:19] <sk2> I might try knoppix later
[09:19] <bigbill52a> maybe 90 megs...but cant remember ..i know it wont work with just 64 megss
[09:19] <rideout> sk2: well, when you log in after the install, a run "$ apt-get install kde" and kde will be installed (or gnome if you change the command)
[09:19] <DanielC> ubuntu: I've heard that wireless cards are tricky to get working on Linux, and some just won't work because vendors refuse to provide specs. Try the link bartekp gave you, but be prepared for the possibility that it just won't work.  :(
[09:19] <sk2> no point in kde
[09:19] <bigbill52a> use live all the time on suitaable customer computers
[09:19] <sk2> is there another distribution with a less resource hungry installer?
[09:19] <bigbill52a> so have experience...lol....
[09:20] <bigbill52a> it is not the installer..it is the xwindows
[09:20] <sk2> I mean the ubuntu installr won't work for me
[09:20] <bigbill52a> you can run in text mode on smaller ram
[09:20] <Whistler> Can anybody help me with this http://pastebin.com/299717 ?
[09:20] <rideout> sk2: apt-get install fluxbox !!
[09:20] <bigbill52a> i use the system rescue cd and it works most of the time with any ram amount..since it is only text mode
[09:21] <sk2> I am, but it just loops as soon as it gets to installing extra packages, exactly the same problem as http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39060&highlight=low+ram
[09:21] <rideout> sk2: that was the point, debootstap is another installer for ubuntu withought the memory overhead
[09:21] <sk2> but I will need something to boot into first?
[09:22] <Whistler> checking host system type... configure: error: can not guess host type; you must specify one
[09:22] <bigbill52a> i copy customer files from corrupted windoze to a temporary external drive and then back again after reinstalling windows and checking said files for viruses....lovely windoze
[09:22] <Whistler> whats wrong?
[09:22] <sk2> so best option is to give up on the official installer?
[09:22] <rideout> sk2: i think so
[09:22] <bigbill52a> windoze keeps me in business and linux is my main tool....
[09:22] <DanielC> Whistler
[09:22] <sk2> rideout: what livecd do you reccomend?
[09:23] <bigbill52a> get more memory
[09:23] <DanielC> Whistler: sorry
[09:23] <microhaxo> Guys, i need help installin the ATI driver from the wiki page
[09:23] <Whistler> ?
[09:23] <microhaxo> using command
[09:23] <sk2> bigbill52a: not really an option budget/time wise
[09:23] <DanielC> Whistler: I was going to ask if you had looked for .deb packages.
[09:23] <Whistler> Can anybody help me with this http://pastebin.com/299717 ?
[09:23] <microhaxo> sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:23] <microhaxo> i get an error
[09:23] <Whistler> i looked
[09:23] <bigbill52a> or stick with windoze...
[09:23] <microhaxo> can anyone help me?
[09:23] <bigbill52a> and be bored..lol
[09:24] <lamer1> I've just installed Ubuntu 5.04 on my box ( PIV 3.0G SMP ) but by default the smp kernel is not installed. Should smp kernel be installed by default or there's something wrong...?
[09:24] <bigbill52a> microhaxo...i can help you
[09:24] <microhaxo> http://pastebin.com/299720
[09:24] <microhaxo> that is the error bigbill52a
[09:24] <zyth> lamer1, apt-get install linux-686-smp
[09:24] <zyth> default is linux-286
[09:24] <bigbill52a> download the xorg driver from ati
[09:24] <zyth> er 386 :P
[09:24] <lamer1> zyth, yea I'm doing it
[09:24] <microhaxo> where is that bigbill?
[09:25] <bigbill52a> www.ati.com
[09:25] <lamer1> but would it be better to install smp if CPU supprot ?
[09:25] <lamer1> supports it
[09:25] <g1gaman> will 64 mb of ram be enough to run gnome environment on ubuntu 4.10? (i am installing ubuntu now, and after reading your texts, i am afraid that that pc is not good enough)
[09:25] <microhaxo> is it this one?
[09:25] <microhaxo> X.Org 6.8
[09:25] <lamer1> I mean by default
[09:25] <microhaxo> that one
[09:25] <zyth> linux-686-smp supports SMP :P
[09:25] <bigbill52a> there will three xfree drivers and one xorg driver ..download the xorg driver
[09:25] <microhaxo> yea this one?
[09:25] <microhaxo> X.Org 6.8
[09:25] <bigbill52a> you downloaded it?
[09:25] <microhaxo> yea
[09:26] <bigbill52a> it is in your home directory?
[09:26] <microhaxo> yep
[09:26] <sk2> rideout: what livecd shoudl i use to bootstrap from?
[09:26] <bigbill52a> follow these instructions
[09:26] <microhaxo> j
[09:26] <microhaxo> k
[09:26] <bigbill52a> apt-get install alien
[09:26] <rideout> sk2: http://mulinux.sunsite.dk/iso.html
[09:26] <bigbill52a> sudo apt-get alien
[09:27] <microhaxo> err im completely new to linux, so i just paste them commands into shell?
[09:27] <sk2> me?
[09:27] <bigbill52a> in terminal window switch to home directory where file is located
[09:27] <microhaxo> yea
[09:27] <bigbill52a> yes
[09:28] <bigbill52a> in terminal window
[09:28] <microhaxo> then what?
[09:28] <microhaxo> paste them
[09:28] <DanielC> Whistler: Does it give you a chance to specify the system type? Mine comes out to "i686-pc-linux-gnu".
[09:28] <Burgundavia> bigbill52a, follow the advice on wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:28] <Burgundavia> you will have must better success
[09:28] <bigbill52a> mine is installed
[09:29] <microhaxo> I did follow that advice
[09:29] <microhaxo> i get that error i showed you
[09:29] <microhaxo> :|
[09:29] <bigbill52a> in a terminal window
[09:29] <microhaxo> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:29] <microhaxo>  /var/cache/apt/archives/xorg-driver-fglrx_6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11_amd64.deb
[09:29] <microhaxo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:30] <bigbill52a> type sudo cd /home/(and whatever dir the file is in
[09:30] <Whistler> DanielC how do i know whats my type?
[09:30] <microhaxo> its just in the home
[09:30] <DanielC> Whistler: What computer do you have? CPU?
[09:30] <bigbill52a> sudo alien fglrx*
[09:30] <Whistler> Duron
[09:30] <Whistler> 600
[09:31] <microhaxo> k
[09:31] <microhaxo> did that
[09:31] <microhaxo> made a folder in home
[09:31] <DanielC> Whistler: http://packages.debian.org/testing/games/tuxracer
[09:31] <snader> 'lo :-)
[09:31] <microhaxo> generated a deb file
[09:31] <microhaxo> for rpm
[09:32] <microhaxo> now what?
[09:32] <DanielC> Whistler: Duron is exactly what I have.
[09:32] <bigbill52a> del the rpm file and keep the deb file
[09:32] <microhaxo> k
[09:32] <g1gaman> DanielC, i have only 64 mb of ram. will it be enough to run linux with gnome? is it ok that there is no swap partition (just /usr and /)?
[09:32] <snader> anyone know why my fonts are +/- 2 pixels larger now i've disabled GDM?
[09:32] <microhaxo> k now what
[09:32] <DanielC> Whistler: So yours would also be "i686-pc-linux-gnu". But try installing the .deb package first.
[09:32] <Whistler> ok thx
[09:33] <DanielC> g1gaman: It'll be slow, but probably usable. I'm not sure though.
[09:33] <bigbill52a> just a sec
[09:33] <microhaxo> bigbill52a i deleted the rpm now what?
[09:33] <microhaxo> lol
[09:33] <microhaxo> esp
[09:33] <microhaxo> k
[09:33] <wulfepup> How can I tell if I should use the AMD-generic or the AMD-k8 kernel stuffs?
[09:33] <concept10> Any amule users?
[09:33] <g1gaman> DanielC, and how about swap?
[09:34] <bigbill52a> you have to change the permissions on the file....give me a sec
[09:34] <microhaxo> k
[09:34] <DanielC> DanielC: I'm under the impression that Ubuntu creates a swap partition for you automatically. It did for me, I think.
[09:34] <bigbill52a> sudo nautilus
[09:35] <bigbill52a> find the file and right click on it
[09:35] <DanielC> DanielC: I think it's part of the 1.8 GB it's supposed to need (but don't quote me on this).
[09:35] <DanielC> heh
[09:35] <g1gaman> DanielC, you replied yourself, but thank you anyway :D
[09:35] <wulfepup> err amd64-generic or amd64-k8 or etc etc  (I'm fairly sure it shouldn't be amd64-xeon (as I don't have a Xeon)) but what is amd64-k8-smp?
[09:35] <DanielC> g1gaman:  :-)  It's 3:40 AM for me.
[09:35] <microhaxo> k
[09:35] <microhaxo> hrm
[09:35] <bigbill52a> select permissions tab and put a check in all the blanks
[09:36] <microhaxo> bill, sudo nautilus cannot be rec as a command?
[09:36] <g1gaman> DanielC, omg. here in latvia it's 10:40 am
[09:36] <DanielC> Whistler: http://fatboy.umng.edu.co/debian/pool/main/t/tuxracer/
[09:36] <bigbill52a> in a terminal type sudo nautilus
[09:37] <bigbill52a> it will bring up the file browser
[09:37] <microhaxo> sudo: nautilus: command not found
[09:37] <microhaxo> im in kde
[09:37] <bigbill52a> sudo konqueror
[09:37] <microhaxo> k
[09:37] <microhaxo> im already in home folder
[09:37] <microhaxo> i can see permittions but i cant select any all greyed out
[09:38] <bigbill52a> did you sudo konqueror?
[09:38] <microhaxo> owner can read and write
[09:38] <bigbill52a> in a terminal window
[09:38] <microhaxo> no i just opened konqueror
[09:38] <bigbill52a> sudo konqueror in terminal window
[09:38] <microhaxo> ahh i see
[09:38] <microhaxo> k i did
[09:38] <microhaxo> now add all checks
[09:38] <bigbill52a> fiill all the blanks...lol
[09:39] <microhaxo> k
[09:39] <microhaxo> k i did
[09:39] <microhaxo> :D
[09:39] <microhaxo> now what?
[09:39] <bigbill52a> in the same konqueror window
[09:39] <microhaxo> yea
[09:39] <bigbill52a> tools
[09:39] <bigbill52a> open terminal
[09:39] <microhaxo> k
[09:40] <microhaxo> did that
[09:40] <bigbill52a> ./fglrx*
[09:40] <bigbill52a> and give me any error messages
[09:40] <microhaxo> ./fglrx64-6-8-0_8.14.13-2_amd64.deb: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[09:40] <microhaxo> ./fglrx64-6-8-0_8.14.13-2_amd64.deb: line 1: `!<arch>'
[09:41] <bigbill52a> do you have amd-64?
[09:41] <microhaxo> yes
[09:41] <microhaxo> :D
[09:41] <microhaxo> lol
[09:41] <Chris-> Would trying to install with a dvd burner be a possible cause for installs to fail often?
[09:41] <uman> hey all
[09:41] <uman> how can I search through the apt-get repositories?
[09:41] <uman> is there a way
[09:42] <uman> like portage -s (I'm a convert from Gentoo)
[09:42] <bigbill52a> you need to use to download the headers for your kernel using synaptic
[09:42] <Freshtenner> hi all
[09:42] <microhaxo> k, how would i do this?
[09:42] <wulfepup> what's the difference between the various amd64 kernels?  (what is k8 and and k8 SMP?)
[09:42] <transgress> hahahahaha gentoo's founder is going to redmond!  bet that'll calm the ricers down a bit.
[09:43] <bigbill52a> synaptic
[09:43] <transgress> smp is for multiple processors
[09:43] <bigbill52a> package manager
[09:43] <microhaxo> where is this?
[09:43] <bigbill52a> from the same terminal type synaptic
[09:43] <microhaxo> bash: synaptic: command not found
[09:43] <NicP> lol
[09:44] <bigbill52a> sudo synaptic....duh..lol
[09:44] <wulfepup> transgress, TY  what's the diff between -generic and -k8?  ( I have an "Authentic AMD" according to my specs)
[09:44] <transgress> microhaxo: you don't have it because you have kubuntu
[09:44] <microhaxo> yea
[09:44] <microhaxo> i have KDE
[09:44] <microhaxo> :|
[09:44] <microhaxo> whats the kde one
[09:44] <transgress> k8 is for the k8 chip arch
[09:44] <NicP> i didnt know there was a kde one?
[09:44] <transgress> generic is for a generic compilation
[09:44] <transgress> the kde one is kynaptic
[09:44] <microhaxo> :D
[09:44] <microhaxo> thanks
[09:44] <wulfepup> kynaptic  or something
[09:44] <bigbill52a> kpackage
[09:44] <NicP> that would make sense :D
[09:44] <microhaxo> ok
[09:44] <microhaxo> im in it
[09:44] <microhaxo> :D
[09:44] <transgress> kpackage is good... but you have to get it ... kynaptic comes base
[09:45] <microhaxo> bill im in the manager now whaT?
[09:45] <bigbill52a> ok
[09:45] <wulfepup> transgress, how would I know which is better for my processor?
[09:45] <bigbill52a> just a sec
[09:45] <microhaxo> k
[09:46] <transgress> wulfepup: get the most specific one you can... only use generic if you have to
[09:46] <Guerin> uman: ask
[09:46] <Guerin> uman: don't piss off the people in #debian
[09:46] <bigbill52a> in search type headers
[09:46] <uman> Guerin: ok
[09:46] <wulfepup> note to self: NEVER leave your soda can beside the laptop vents ... ewwwww warm soda.. hot can
[09:46] <uman> Guerin: I asked already
[09:47] <uman> I'll repaste it...
[09:47] <uman> 00:41 < uman> how can I search through the apt-get repositories?
[09:47] <uman> 00:41 < uman> is there a way
[09:47] <uman> 00:42 < uman> like portage -s (I'm a convert from Gentoo)
[09:47] <Guerin> uman: I just joined this channel to avert another flamewar in #debian
[09:47] <microhaxo> bill there is no search :|
[09:47] <bigbill52a> and then match the headers with the actual kernel you using
[09:47] <wulfepup> transgress, So, assuming a single Athlon AMD64 .. I should grab k8?
[09:47] <uman> Guerin: thanks
[09:47] <Guerin> uman: apt-cache search; aptitude search; apt-get install apt-file
[09:47] <microhaxo> find
[09:47] <microhaxo> headers
[09:47] <microhaxo> k
[09:47] <transgress> wulfepup: yeah
[09:47] <microhaxo> now what?
[09:47] <bigfoot1> hi all. when I open up firefox, it doesn't start up with my profile. It seems to be loading as if it's is safe mode. can anyone help?
[09:48] <Guerin> uman: any real reason why the #ubuntu people can't answer this one?
[09:48] <wulfepup> transgress, grwat thanks!
[09:48] <uman> Guerin: I have no idea
[09:48] <Nalo> Hello! Does php package come with Ubuntu 5.04?
[09:48] <uman> Guerin: but they aren't
[09:48] <Guerin> uman: sorry, that last directed to the whole channel
[09:48] <bigbill52a> find the headers that match up to your kernel
[09:48] <transgress> bigfoot1: kill any other instance of firefox
[09:48] <wulfepup> nalo... nope.. use synaptic
[09:48] <uman> Guerin: thanks for the info
[09:48] <bigbill52a> you can verify your kernel by typing /boot in konqueror
[09:48] <microhaxo> amd64 k8 wtf is k8?
[09:48] <Nalo> synaptic is an application manager, isn't it?
[09:48] <Guerin> eh... you #ubuntu folks... don't you know how to use the package management tools?
[09:49] <bigfoot1> transgress, my comp was off. I just turned it on now. I don't think there are other instances of firefox. but i can check, to be sure. So how do i know if there are other instances of fx open?
[09:49] <microhaxo> transgress, what is SMP?
[09:49] <bigbill52a> that is what you have k-8
[09:49] <wulfepup> nalo .. it is the pretty and easy gui for apt-get
[09:49] <microhaxo> k
[09:49] <microhaxo> whats smp bill?
[09:49] <transgress> smp is for multiple processors
[09:49] <Chris-> isn't SMP multiple procs?
[09:49] <pestil> microhaxo, SMP is support for multiple CPUs
[09:49] <microhaxo> aight
[09:49] <Chris-> yeah, thought so
[09:49] <Nalo> thank you very much... I only wanted to be sure
[09:49] <transgress> i so pwned you both
[09:49] <transgress> ;)
[09:50] <microhaxo> ok so i clicked linux headers 2.6.10-5amd64-k8
[09:50] <microhaxo> install
[09:50] <uman> Guerin: so what is the deal with #debian? I'm sure that answer applies in both distros.
[09:50] <bigbill52a> look in /boot and see what kernel you have and then select the headers for it
[09:50] <uman> Guerin: correct me if I'm mistaken
[09:50] <bigbill52a> yes
[09:50] <bigbill52a> install
[09:50] <bigfoot1> transgress, ?
[09:50] <jaku> hi, where can I find a wiki to add the debian menu in the gnome panel?
[09:50] <microhaxo> err how do i?
[09:51] <microhaxo> commit changes
[09:51] <microhaxo> or update all packages?
[09:51] <bigbill52a> yyes
[09:51] <bigbill52a> commit changes
[09:51] <microhaxo> k
[09:51] <microhaxo> dloading
[09:51] <microhaxo> files
[09:51] <microhaxo> done
[09:51] <microhaxo> its installin
[09:52] <bigbill52a> when it finishes...terminal sudo konqueror
[09:52] <bigfoot1> I clicked on the firefox icon, but it loaded up as if i ran safe mode. how can i get firefox to load up as usual, with all my bookmarks, extensions, etc?
[09:52] <microhaxo> k
[09:52] <Chris-> -__- I think something is wrong with my dvd burner, I've downloaded so many versions of linux to install and it always says currupt
[09:52] <bigbill52a> find fglrx again
[09:52] <bigbill52a> open terminal
[09:52] <bigbill52a> type ./fglrx*
[09:52] <bigbill52a> and i will go for smoke....while you do that...lol
[09:52] <microhaxo> Lol k
[09:53] <Chris-> slow down bill ;-)
[09:53] <zyth> huh, cedega actually works fairly well.  Now for the litmus test, will WoW run
[09:53] <microhaxo> damn, its takin some time to set up these linux headers
[09:53] <bigfoot1> does anyone have some knowledge about firefox?
[09:54] <uman> bigfoot1: a bit, why?
[09:54] <bigfoot1> uman, I clicked on the firefox icon, but it loaded up as if i ran safe mode. how can i get firefox to load up as usual, with all my bookmarks, extensions, etc?
[09:55] <retrodick> yeah...i'm back...
[09:55] <microhaxo> err, is it ever going to get past this screen? setting up linux-headers-2.6.10-5-amd64-k8 (2.6.10-34.2)
[09:55] <bigbill52a> back
[09:55] <uman> bigfoot1: I dunno
[09:55] <microhaxo> lol still says settin up
[09:55] <microhaxo> ?
[09:55] <bigbill52a> someday
[09:55] <uman> bigfoot1: sorry
[09:55] <wulfepup> I installed several FTP gui clients ... was there one that came with Gnome anyway that I missed .. or should I go hunting for the ones I apt-"got"
[09:55] <bigfoot1> uman, that's ok.
[09:55] <microhaxo> Setting up linux-headers-2.6.10-5-amd64-k8 (2.6.10-34.2) ...
[09:55] <microhaxo> :|
[09:55] <ubotu> ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed!
[09:55] <chocoIate> hi
[09:55] <Chris-> How long do ubuntu cd's usually take to arrive, I ordered one as my burner likes to make currupt cds
[09:56] <microhaxo> bigbill how long should this take?
[09:56] <microhaxo> lol
[09:56] <uman> bad! Using IRC as root! Bad!
[09:56] <chocoIate> this really sucks. I'm connected as root, and i keep getting disconnected on almost all servers
[09:56] <chocoIate> well, how do i make a new  user as a sudoer :o
[09:56] <pestil> Chris-, about 6 weeks
[09:56] <retrodick> i have --> nvu-1.0PR-pc-linux2.6.10-gnu.tar.bz2, any one can help to install it?!!!
[09:56] <wulfepup> Chris-, they take as long as it takes, plus time for shipping ;)
[09:56] <uman> chocoIate: with visudo
[09:56] <uman> chocoIate: and you can use "su -" to switch to root you know
[09:56] <uman> chocoIate: on a temporary basis
[09:56] <zyth> Anyone know of any joypads that work well with Linux?
[09:56] <Guerin> uman: yeah, this one does happen to be the same, but there are many others which aren't.
[09:57] <uman> chocoIate: you don't need to run as root for day-to-day tasks
[09:57] <uman> Guerin: Yes, I know.
[09:57] <Guerin> uman: basically, it's a matter of opening floodgates.
[09:57] <uman> Guerin: that's why I clearly said "this is the same between Debian and Ubuntu."
[09:57] <Chris-> :-P Alright, I ordered mine on...... May 26? around then
[09:57] <chocoIate> i have created a new user, however i cant sudo with it
[09:57] <uman> chocoIate: use visudo
[09:57] <chocoIate> how do i make it a sudoer account :o
[09:57] <uman> IIRC
[09:57] <Guerin> but I am disappointed that the idiots in here don't know how to use their distro's own fucking package manager.
[09:57] <Seveas> chocoIate, adduser new_user admin
[09:57] <uman> VISUDO
[09:57] <chocoIate> what is visduo
[09:57] <Seveas> replace new_user by the name of the user
[09:57] <Seveas> you do not need visudo
[09:58] <Guerin> anyway
[09:58] <pestil> Guerin, chill
[09:58] <uman> guerby: bye
[09:58] <uman> oops
[09:58] <chocoIate> sevas, the group admin does not exist, it says :o
[09:58] <uman> chocoIate: in that case, do what Seveas said
[09:58] <uman> chocoIate: or, do "man visudo" and read up on it.
[09:59] <Seveas> chocoIate, ah, you are using warty ur you upgraded from warty?
[09:59] <chocoIate> no, i'm using debian sarge :P
[09:59] <nern> WARTY PENIS
[09:59] <nern> WARTY
[09:59] <bob2> nern: er?
[09:59] <chocoIate> i'm devoiced on #debian coz of this root user account lol
[09:59] <Seveas> nern, language...
[09:59] <bob2> chocoIate: so switch to a normal account and go there
[09:59] <uman> chocoIate: yeah Debian is psycho
[10:00] <uman> wow apparently this chan is too
[10:00] <wulfepup> nighters all
[10:00] <uman> P**** is not a swear word
[10:00] <chocoIate> well, i cant use sudo on a normal account, which is what i'm trying to fix right now
[10:00] <uman> chocoIate: you don't need sudo to use IRC
[10:00] <kvidell> uman: it's IRC. Of course it can be crazy :-P
[10:00] <kvidell> and uman: it's all about context.
[10:00] <Seveas> chocoIate, use viso
[10:00] <zyth> gack World of Warcraft takes forever to install
[10:00] <uman> kvidell: yeah I know
[10:00] <Seveas> visudo*
[10:00] <zyth> uman, IRC = Insane Relay Chat ;)
[10:00] <uman> kvidell: flubberlock you all then!
[10:00] <nern> i love all of you
[10:00] <vinux> hey can anyone tell me how to start up ubuntu just in command line mode but to be able to type something like startx to get into gnome when I want to?
[10:00] <chocoIate> i am unable to connect online without a sudo command
[10:00] <nern> ive been doing drugs
[10:00] <Seveas> go to the last line, hit o to go to edit mode and add the user
[10:01] <nern> and im so fucked up right now
[10:01] <kvidell> that's special.
[10:01] <chocoIate> it keeps basing me
[10:01] <uman> chocoIate: what?
[10:01] <uman> chocoIate: then something is seriously wrong with your system if you can't connect to the internet without sudo
[10:01] <Seveas> chocoIate, add this line:
[10:01] <bob2> vinux: delete gdm from run level 3 (sudo rm /etc/rc3.d/S*gdm), boot into runlevel 3 (hit esc during boot to get into grub, e to modify the boot parameters, add 3 to the end and continue booting
[10:02] <Seveas> user ALL=(ALL) ALL
[10:02] <Seveas> replace user by your username
[10:02] <retrodick> hey...anyone can help me?
[10:02] <uman> retrodick: that depends
[10:02] <cyphase> with?
[10:02] <Seveas> retrodick, maybe, if you say what we can help you with
[10:02] <uman> retrodick: on how knowledgeable we are and how difficult your problem is.
[10:02] <retrodick> how to instal nvu-1.0PR-pc-linux2.6.10-gnu.tar.bz2 to my ubuntu
[10:03] <vinux> bob2, cool thanks
[10:03] <cyphase> retrodick, nvu is in the repositories
[10:03] <retrodick> ya...
[10:04] <Seveas> retrodick, if you don't want to use the repositories (you really should though): tar jxvf nvu-----.bz2 and read the README and INSTALL files...
[10:04] <retrodick> nope i mean...
[10:04] <bigfoot1> hello. in my firefox folder, i have 2 profiles. But when i run "firefox -profilemanager" it only shows one of them. How could i load up the other profile?
[10:07] <vinux> bob2, hehe wish me luck brb
[10:10] <Whistler> checking for location of tclConfig.sh... configure: error: tclConfig.sh not found - use the --with-tcl option
[10:10] <Whistler> whats wrong?
[10:10] <Seveas> Whistler, that completely depends on what you are doing...
[10:10] <Whistler> ok
[10:11] <Seveas> so what are you doing?
[10:11] <Whistler> http://pastebin.com/299735
[10:11] <Whistler> look here
[10:12] <Whistler> i am trying to ./configure
[10:12] <Seveas> tuxracer is in the repositories...
[10:12] <Whistler> ?
[10:12] <Seveas> ah wait, you are trying to install ppracer
[10:12] <Whistler> it doesnt matter
[10:13] <Whistler> i wanna game
[10:13] <Whistler> ppracer
[10:13] <Whistler> or tux racer
[10:13] <vinux> you bob2 it works but I didn't put 3 to boot. If I don't would that be really bad?
[10:13] <Whistler> its the same
[10:13] <bob2> vinux: I don't know what you mean
[10:13] <bob2> Whistler: so install tuxracer
[10:13] <bob2> Whistler: sudo aptitutde install tuxracer
[10:13] <bigfoot1> help. i was playing around with the  profiles.ini file in /.firefox and now firefox can't find my profile. if you have only one profile in use. could you copy and paste it please?
[10:14] <Seveas> yeah, tuxracer is the easiest to install
[10:14] <Whistler> ?
[10:14] <vinux> bob2, oh well I boot up fine in command line. then I just do startx to go into gnome fine. What was the add 3 for?
[10:14] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install tuxracer
[10:14] <bob2> Whistler: you don't need to compile it
[10:14] <Seveas> and done :)
[10:14] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install tuxkart
[10:14] <Seveas> and another game is installed :)
[10:14] <Whistler> oh
[10:14] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install supertux
[10:14] <Whistler> cool
[10:14] <Whistler> thx
[10:14] <Seveas> and you have tux as super mario
[10:14] <bob2> vinux: to boot into runlevel 3.  either you deleted it from rc2, or you switched the default runlevel
[10:14] <vinux> bob2, oh yea that's right I did switch it
[10:15] <retrodick> Seveas: what should i do after i run the  tar jxvf command...
[10:15] <retrodick> its extarct the nvu
[10:15] <Seveas> retrodick, read the INSTALL and README files, they will tell what to do
[10:15] <bob2> vinux: there's no reason to ever switch the default
[10:15] <bigfoot1> can anyone help me?
[10:15] <retrodick> there is no readme or install
[10:15] <Seveas> retrodick, but why don't you use nvu from the ubuntu repositories?
[10:16] <vinux> bob2, well is running in 3 ok? I mean it's not bad right?
[10:16] <Seveas> bigfoot1, maybe, if you say what we can help you with
[10:17] <retrodick> i dont know if there is ubuntu repo.
[10:17] <bob2> vinux: it's identical to 2
[10:17] <bob2> or was unti lyou changed it
[10:17] <Whistler> ubuntu is so cool
[10:17] <vinux> bob2, k cool
[10:18] <retrodick> how can I get the repositories of nvu for ubuntu
[10:19] <paxor> Guys, remind me of tail -f syslog ... how should it be used?
[10:19] <bob2> just like that
[10:19] <Seveas> paxor, just as you typed it :)
[10:19] <paxor> k.
[10:19] <bob2> but if you want to leave it running, use --follow=name instead of -f
[10:19] <paxor> ty, it's been 3 years.
[10:19] <bigfoot1> Seveas, i was playing around with the  profiles.ini file in /.firefox and now firefox can't find my profile. if you have only one profile in use. could you copy and paste it please?
[10:19] <bob2> (or it'll stop doing anything when the log file gets rotated at 0625 tommorow)
[10:20] <paxor> bob2, I remeber I used to use color logs ... where can I find that?
[10:20] <Seveas> bigbill52a, you mean my profiles.ini?
[10:20] <Seveas> bigfoot1, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/75
[10:21] <chicks_21> hai
[10:21] <bob2> bigfoot1: in future, tho, you should back up things before touching them
[10:21] <Seveas> bigfoot1, you would need to change the path though :)
[10:21] <bigfoot1> bob2, yes, i was making a backup in gedit, but i saved the backup file with the same changes. oops.
[10:22] <bigfoot1> Seveas, okay. thanks.
[10:22] <bob2> paxor: multitail, it seems
[10:22] <Nalo> How can I download the php package to install it without internet connection? if I use "apt-get install php4" ubuntu downloads the package from internet
[10:23] <Seveas> Nalo, if you just want to download: apt-get -d install libapache2-mod-php4
[10:23] <ukato> is downloading from the repositories going slow for anyone?
[10:23] <paxor> Seveas, tail -f syslog tells me cannot open syslog for reading/no file remaining. does it need the path to syslog?
[10:24] <Seveas> tail -f /var/log/systlog
[10:24] <paxor> ahhh thank yous ir.
[10:24] <paxor> sir*
[10:24] <Seveas> tail -f /var/log/syslog
[10:24] <Seveas> without the t :)
[10:25] <paxor> Gotcha :)
[10:25] <paxor> bob2, multitail is a script, right?
[10:25] <Hajuu> heya
[10:26] <bob2> paxor: it's a package
[10:26] <vinux> bob2, What's the best way to put everyting on CD where I don't have to download anything from the repositories? I have a friend that wants to install ubuntu but he has a bad interent connection. Anyway I could put all the programs on CDs for him?
[10:26] <Seveas> vinux, do you have ubuntu installed?
[10:26] <vinux> Seveas, yes I do
[10:27] <paxor> bob2, is it the one that shows logs with colors and stuff? excuse my ignorance.
[10:27] <Hajuu> How can I start/stop the sound server without restarting? and I mean start/stop the actual server.. not processes using it.
[10:27] <bob2> paxor: I don't know
[10:27] <Seveas> vinux, use apt-zip
[10:27] <bob2> paxor: try it and see
[10:27] <paxor> K.
[10:27] <goye2cz> haldo!!!
[10:27] <Seveas> Hajuu, killall esd
[10:27] <bob2> vinux: debian-cd can do that for you
[10:27] <Seveas> and just type esd to restart it
[10:28] <Whistler> how do i know my kernel version?
[10:28] <Hajuu> I type esd to restart it and my terminal just idles there
[10:28] <Seveas> uname -r
[10:28] <Whistler> uname -r?
[10:28] <vinux> bob2, what's debian-cd? You mean the debian cds?
[10:28] <Seveas> uname -a show more info than just kernel version
[10:28] <Whistler> ok
[10:28] <bigfoot1> Seveas, i don't think i know how to fix it up. when i do "firefox -profilemanager", it doesn't have my profile
[10:28] <Whistler> =] 
[10:28] <Seveas> Whistler, type that in a shell
[10:29] <bob2> vinux: no, I mean the package called "debian-cd"
[10:29] <Whistler> i know
[10:29] <jaku> how can i install the debian menu in the gnome panel?
[10:29] <bob2> vinux: it generates apt'able cds from a pile of .debs
[10:29] <Seveas> jaku, you can use smeg for that
[10:29] <vinux> Seveas, so you are saying download everything then zip it all?
[10:29] <jaku> Seveas: smeg?
[10:29] <vinux> bob2, nice
[10:29] <Seveas> vinux, read the manual page for apt-zip or debian-cd :)
[10:29] <Seveas> jaku, see www.realistanew.com
[10:30] <synd--> how to get rid of the terminal window?
[10:30] <vinux> Seveas, hehe
[10:30] <synd--> as in the border..titlebar
[10:30] <bob2> depends on your window manager and terminal
[10:30] <bob2> devilspie presumably can do it
[10:30] <vinux> Seveas, which would you prefer? apt-zip or debian-cd?
[10:30] <synd--> bob2, devilspie ?
[10:30] <Seveas> synd, for gnome/gnome terminal: hit the menu view->full screen
[10:30] <bigfoot1> Seveas, i fixed it up now, after some more changes. thank you.
[10:30] <bigfoot1> 8-)
[10:30] <Seveas> yw
[10:30] <bob2> synd--: apt-cache show ...
[10:31] <Seveas> vinux, i have never used either, i just know they're there :)
[10:31] <synd--> bob2, Seveas: im in xfce, terminal
[10:31] <ukato> is apt going slow for anyone
[10:31] <paxor> is eterm still widely used?
[10:31] <bob2> not by people who use UTF-8 locales
[10:31] <bob2> e.g. hoary users
[10:31] <kakalto> isn't 7200RPM meant to be fast for a hdd?
[10:31] <bob2> it's fast for a cheap IDE hard disk
[10:32] <kakalto> hrm
[10:32] <bob2> scsi ones are up to 15000rpm
[10:32] <Hajuu> kakalto:  average..
[10:32] <Nalo> Seveas, and there is any way to download it from ftp or http?
[10:32] <Get> is there any tool for convert ogg -> mp3?
[10:32] <kakalto> 'cause it's taking a long time transferring to the ATA hdd, and it's taking almost all system resources
[10:32] <kakalto> I can
[10:32] <kakalto> arr
[10:32] <kvidell> audacity.
[10:32] <Seveas> Nalo, yes, go to packages.ubuntu.com and search for it
[10:32] <kakalto> I can't even type smoothly in xchat
[10:33] <Seveas> you will get download links too
[10:33] <bob2> kakalto: is dma enabled?
[10:33] <kakalto> dma?
[10:33] <Nalo> ok, I'll try... thanks a lot
[10:33] <bob2> indeed
[10:33] <bob2> kakalto: sudo hdparm /dev/hda
[10:33] <benplaut> g'night everyone
[10:33] <zyth> Get, yes, but why on earth would you deface your .ogg's like that?
[10:33] <kakalto> bob2, is it alright to do that while copying something to the hdd?
[10:33] <sniff> gn8 @ this time?
[10:34] <Get> zyth, need it for a mp3-player ;)
[10:34] <kakalto> sniff, not everyone lives in your timezone
[10:34] <zyth> Get, ahh.  Yeah, I have a Zen Xtra I need to sell, because it's dumb and won't play .ogg :(
[10:35] <synd--> bob2, phillip@toshiba:~$ devilspie || File /home/phillip/.devilspie.xml does not exist
[10:35] <synd--> what am i doing wrong?
[10:35] <kakalto> bob2, what am I looking for? dma isn't enabled
[10:35] <Seveas> hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[10:35] <bob2> synd--: did you read the instructions?
[10:35] <bigfoot1> another firefox question, i run an extension that gives a real full-screen (no status bar, toolbars). Is there a way to have the URL displayed when the mouse is hovering over a hyperlink?
[10:36] <synd--> bob2, i did man devilspie, didnt say much
[10:36] <zyth> Get, did you try playing it in xmms with the disk writer plugin? I think it may work.  Not sure tho
[10:36] <bob2> bigfoot1: there's another extension for that
[10:36] <Seveas> bigbill52a, you could use greasemonkey for that
[10:36] <kakalto> Seveas, operation not permitted
[10:36] <Seveas> bigfoot1*
[10:36] <bigfoot1> really? do tell.
[10:36] <Seveas> kakalto, use sudo :)
[10:36] <bigfoot1> i have greasemonkey, but which script?
[10:36] <kakalto> I already did
[10:36] <kakalto> and operation is still not permitted
[10:37] <Seveas> kakalto, then you need to modprobe the correct driver for your IDE chipset
[10:37] <bob2> bigfoot1: don't know
[10:37] <bob2> the tooltip normally displays the alt tag, not the href
[10:37] <bob2> er, attribute
[10:37] <kakalto> Seveas, that went straight over my head
[10:37] <Seveas> bigfoot1, find one on the greasemonkey website or make  one yourself :)
[10:37] <bigfoot1> seveas, so what i am looking for is "href", right?
[10:38] <bigfoot1> href is the keyword when i do my search, right, Seveas ?
[10:38] <Seveas> bigfoot1, an extension that displays the href attribute of a link when you hover over it instead of the title argument...
[10:38] <kvidell> or alt
[10:38] <bob2> ah, title, not alt, duh me
[10:38] <bigfoot1> gotcha, Seveas
[10:38] <kvidell> oh wait.. alt is for img
[10:39] <Seveas> :)
[10:39] <kakalto> Seveas, how do I "modprobe the correct driver for my IDE chipset"?
[10:39] <Seveas> kakalto, dunno, depends on which motherboard you have
[10:39] <zyth> how do I add games to my games menu? Pingus, Supertux, and Tuxracer were all evil and didn't add themselves to my menus
[10:39] <kakalto> A7V600
[10:39] <kakalto> :P
[10:39] <Seveas> kakalto, wiki.ubunutu.com/DMA
[10:39] <Seveas> kakalto, wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[10:39] <Seveas> zyth, use smeg
[10:40] <zyth> smeg?
[10:40] <Seveas> from www.realistanew.com or the backport repositories
[10:40] <zyth> what is it?
[10:40] <Seveas> Simple Menu Editor for Gnome
[10:41] <Seveas> (but it supports KDE too, since it actually is a freedesktop.org menu editor)
[10:41] <kunterbunt> hey there, can anybody advice me on distros for newbies? is ubuntu suitable?
[10:41] <zyth> hm, I have backports, but I don't see it in synaptic.
[10:41] <Seveas> kunterbunt, very
[10:41] <kunterbunt> Seveas, why so? what about mandrake and fedora?
[10:41] <Seveas> zyth, it's in hoary-backports
[10:41] <Seveas> kunterbunt, fedora is pure crap, honest
[10:42] <Seveas> and mandrake / mandriva is not much better
[10:42] <Seveas> they're definitely not suitable for beginners
[10:42] <kunterbunt> Seveas, ok but why do you think so? what is the problem with those?
[10:42] <zyth> http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/hoary-extras ?
[10:42] <Seveas> kunterbunt, well as biggest objection they use rpms
[10:43] <Seveas> they are slow in updating
[10:43] <Seveas> don't have good defaults
[10:43] <Seveas> are not 'just works' like ubuntu
[10:43] <Seveas> and escpecially red crap / fedora is as incompatible as hell
[10:43] <kunterbunt> Seveas, what's wrong with rpms?
[10:43] <Seveas> zyth, hoary-backports
[10:44] <Seveas> kunterbunt, rpms are a very inferior format compared to .deb files
[10:44] <kunterbunt> Seveas, but ubuntu updates every six months, so does fc
[10:44] <zyth> got the deb
[10:44] <Seveas> and apt beats rpm hell :)
[10:44] <bob2> well, not that inferior
[10:44] <bob2> it's just that they don't have Debian Policy to guide them
[10:44] <kunterbunt> Seveas, that is what I heard about yum, but why is apt-get so much better?
[10:44] <Seveas> bob2, is there something like debhelper for rpm?
[10:44] <zyth> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of smeg:
[10:44] <zyth>  smeg depends on python-xdg (>= 0.14); however:
[10:44] <zyth>   Version of python-xdg on system is 0.9-1.
[10:44] <zyth> ugh
[10:45] <Seveas> apt-get is not that much better
[10:45] <Seveas> aptitude is though :)
[10:45] <Seveas> or synaptic
[10:45] <bob2> zyth: how did you manage to get that?
[10:45] <Seveas> zyth, these are also in hoary-backports
[10:45] <bob2> Seveas: .spec files are way less freeform and simpler than debian/rules
[10:45] <zyth> bob2, tried to install smeg.
[10:45] <bob2> go backports, its your birthday
[10:45] <Seveas> bob2, ack
[10:45] <zyth> Seveas, great, what's the repository line?
[10:45] <Seveas> but debian/rules is more powerful :)
[10:46] <Seveas> zyth, look at backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[10:46] <bob2> I wish Amaranth would just host smeg somewhere else
[10:46] <kunterbunt> Seveas, so newest ubuntu is 5.04? how old is that release?
[10:46] <bob2> and make it work on hoary
[10:46] <antiwmac> i got kernel panic when trying to install ubuntu on vmware
[10:46] <bob2> kunterbunt: from april
[10:46] <Seveas> bob2, heh :)
[10:47] <bob2> kunterbunt: 5.04 = 2005-04
[10:47] <antiwmac> kernel-panic -not synring
[10:47] <bob2> antiwmac: talk to the vmware people
[10:47] <zyth> I already HAVE a synpatic entry for ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net
[10:47] <zyth> oh hm
[10:47] <Seveas> zyth, with hoary-extras or hoary-backports?
[10:47] <Seveas> these are 2 separate things
[10:47] <kunterbunt> bob2, i am really not sure what distro to go for or what to look for. fc4 is supposed to be really fast
[10:48] <bob2> kunterbunt: I really really doubt it's "faster" in a useful way than ubuntu
[10:48] <kunterbunt> bob2, also why doesn't ubuntu have root?
[10:48] <Whistler> can anybody help me with ati drivers?
[10:48] <bob2> kunterbunt: everyone is using the same compiler and code
[10:48] <Seveas> kunterbunt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[10:48] <zyth> Seveas, yeah ok I see that now :)
[10:48] <bob2> kunterbunt: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:48] <kunterbunt> bob2, ubuntu has gcc 4
[10:48] <Seveas> basiclly, because it's safer without a root password
[10:48] <bob2> kunterbunt: hoary is built with gcc 3.3
[10:48] <microhaxo> Can someone send me the sources.list for the kubutu amd64 stro?
[10:48] <bob2> microhaxo: run apt-setup
[10:49] <sam2> i just got started using ubuntu and i am wondering how you are supposed to get started with using whatever software that you install with apt-get
[10:49] <kakalto> Seveas, that just says how to use hdparm... nothing about "modprobing the correct driver for my IDE chipset"
[10:49] <Whistler> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&highlight=dma i dont understand the 3rd step
[10:49] <Whistler> what shoul i edit in that file
[10:49] <[v2hja] > hi
[10:49] <Whistler> what should i edit in that file
[10:49] <Juhaz> fedora is a good distro, and so is hoary, why don't you try both and see what you like best?
[10:49] <kunterbunt> bob2, can i update to gccc 4.0?
[10:50] <kunterbunt> Juhaz, problem is that i don't really know what i am looking for in a good distro. that is why i am trying to get some ideas here
[10:50] <xydinesh> juhaz:debian sarge is also perfect
[10:50] <[v2hja] > where can i look whant kernel version i have ????
[10:50] <kunterbunt> i wanna know what makes them better
[10:50] <mag> gcc 4.0 is sloooow
[10:50] <Seveas> [v2hja] , uname -r
[10:50] <bob2> kunterbunt: hoary includes gcc 4.0, but was not built with it
[10:50] <mag> i don't know why
[10:50] <Whistler> can anybody help me with ati drivers?
[10:50] <kunterbunt> bob2, why do i care what it was built with?
[10:50] <[v2hja] > Seveas,
[10:50] <[v2hja] > thx
[10:50] <bob2> kunterbunt: I don't know
[10:51] <bob2> kunterbunt: why do you care?
[10:51] <[v2hja] > http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557 according to this
[10:51] <bob2> Whistler: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:51] <bob2> Whistler: follow that
[10:51] <Seveas> [v2hja] , you too
[10:51] <Seveas> do not follow random instructions on the forums
[10:51] <[v2hja] > $ sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 xorg-driver-fglrx IS this the right command then ??????
[10:52] <Seveas> use the wikipage
[10:52] <[v2hja] > Seveas,
[10:52] <[v2hja] > it didnt work
[10:52] <bob2> [v2hja] :  wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:52] <kunterbunt> bob2, if i wanna comile s.th. it matters what compiler i have no? not what was used to compile my distro
[10:52] <[v2hja] > bob2, it wont work
[10:52] <zyth> Seveas, do I want main, multiverse, restricted, etc? or what
[10:52] <bob2> [v2hja] : "wont"? why?
[10:52] <[v2hja] > dunno
[10:52] <[v2hja] > i am a n00b
[10:52] <Seveas> kunterbunt, well, C++ applications you compile with gcc4 will not cooperate with libraries provided by ubuntu
[10:52] <bob2> [v2hja] : er, so why don'y you just follow them?
[10:52] <Seveas> since gcc4 introduces an abi change for c++
[10:53] <[v2hja] > i get that error that the writer says ..... but the fix wont do anything
[10:53] <microhaxo> Guys i dont have my kernel headers and i cannot COMPLETE MY ATI DRIVER SETUP PLZ HELP ME!
[10:53] <Seveas> microhaxo, relax...
[10:53] <kunterbunt> Seveas, is gcc 4.0 really that much faster anyway?
[10:53] <Seveas> microhaxo: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:53] <microhaxo> lol i have been working at this for like 5 hrs
[10:53] <bob2> kunterbunt: no
[10:53] <microhaxo> seveas dont work..
[10:53] <Seveas> kunterbunt, ENOIDEA
[10:54] <poningru> is there a common bug in the laptop mode where if you close the screen it goes into the locked screen and wont wake up?
[10:54] <bob2> poningru: no
[10:54] <[v2hja] > Note If you are having problems related to DRI or 3d acceleration and the following lines show up in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ----(WW) fglrx(0): Kernel Module version does *not* match driver.----------------(EE) fglrx(0): incompatible kernel module detected - HW accelerated OpenGL will not work ----then make sure you have linux-restricted-modules installed for your kernel (type sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)).
[10:54] <[v2hja] > this wont do dang
[10:54] <kunterbunt> bob2, how long have you guys been using ubuntu?
[10:54] <poningru> do you know if this has happend to people?
[10:54] <bob2> kunterbunt: may last year
[10:54] <Seveas> [v2hja] , are you on intel or amd?
[10:54] <bob2> poningru: if it did, they would have reported it in the BTS (http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/)
[10:54] <[v2hja] > intel
[10:54] <bob2> kunterbunt: and debian for 4 years before that
[10:55] <[v2hja] > and 9800pro
[10:55] <poningru> right
[10:55] <bob2> [v2hja] : can you please just follow the instructions?
[10:55] <poningru> anyone know a fix to it?
[10:55] <Seveas> [v2hja] , sudo aptitude install linux-686 xorg-driver-fglrx
[10:55] <[v2hja] > bob2,
[10:55] <bob2> poningru: that would be in the bts, too, if there was one
[10:55] <zyth> backports added causes me to apparently have 29 updates to do - Do I WANT to do this?
[10:55] <bob2> zyth: no
[10:55] <poningru> heh ok thanks
[10:55] <Seveas> zyth, depends on your taste. I would say: no
[10:55] <zyth> bob2, ok, I'll remove backports now that smeg is installed
[10:55] <zyth> thanks
[10:55] <bob2> good way to go
[10:56] <[v2hja] > Seveas, ------ is that updater ?
[10:56] <kunterbunt> bob2, so why the switch from debian to ubuntu? after 4years you shouldn't need user friendly ness? no?
[10:56] <poningru> who maintains buc?
[10:56] <poningru> or BTS
[10:56] <bob2> [v2hja] : why don't you just follow the instructions?
[10:56] <poningru> what does BTS stand for?
[10:56] <bob2> poningru: bug tracking system
[10:56] <[v2hja] > bob2,
[10:56] <[v2hja] > i did
[10:56] <bob2> [v2hja] : and?
[10:56] <Seveas> poningru, bugzilla.ubuntu.com is the url for the bts
[10:57] <bob2> kunterbunt: heh, I was working with the ubuntu guys, and they wanted testers before it went public
[10:57] <[v2hja] > and it gives and errir that is said there
[10:57] <[v2hja] > but the fix wont work
[10:57] <[v2hja] > beacause its allready updated
[10:57] <bob2> [v2hja] : so, run 'sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)'
[10:57] <bob2> [v2hja] : awesome
[10:57] <bob2> [v2hja] : now, reboot
[10:57] <paxoff> second time ubuntu freezes since I installed it (about 4 hours) :(
[10:57] <[v2hja] > i have allready rebooteb twice
[10:57] <Seveas> paxoff, that's not good
[10:58] <kunterbunt> bob2, oh cool and now you like it better, huh. ok that must mean something.  I guess i'll give it a try. where can i find out what packages it comes with?
[10:58] <Seveas> [v2hja] , do you have fglrx in /etc/modules?
[10:58] <bob2> kunterbunt: no, I use both still
[10:58] <paxoff> Seveas, what could it be?
[10:58] <microhaxo> aight
[10:58] <[v2hja] > bob2,
[10:58] <[v2hja] > linux-restricted-modules-2.6.10-5-386 is already the newest version.
[10:58] <[v2hja] > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
[10:58] <Seveas> paxoff, how would i know, i can't look inside your computer :)
[10:58] <paxoff> hehe
[10:58] <microhaxo> someone please walk me through installing ATI DRIVERS, i have followed EVERYTHING, but somthing is wrong wih my linux
[10:58] <microhaxo> lol
[10:58] <paxoff> I mean maybe hardware?
[10:58] <Seveas> paxoff, look at /var/log/syslog /var/log/kern.log /var/log/emerg.log for clues
[10:59] <paxoff> k
[10:59] <kunterbunt> bob2, do you also hate fedora like Seveas?
[10:59] <bob2> kunterbunt: I don't hate it, but I see no reaso nto use it
[10:59] <k31th_> guys
[10:59] <Seveas> microhaxo, install linux-686 (linux-k7 if you're on amd) and xorg-driver-fglrx, add fglrx to your /etc/modules, change xorg.conf and reboot
[10:59] <bob2> microhaxo: you need to explain what the actual problem is
[10:59] <zyth> ugh world of warcraft takes forever to install.
[10:59] <k31th_> i got this issue this Linux box crashes on shutdown on eth0
[10:59] <k31th_> where would it log it to ?
[10:59] <microhaxo> Problem is, i keep getting errors
[10:59] <bob2> [v2hja] : what does 'lsmod | grep fgl" print out?
[11:00] <microhaxo> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:00] <microhaxo>  /var/cache/apt/archives/xorg-driver-fglrx_6.8.0-8.8.25-0ubuntu11_amd64.deb
[11:00] <microhaxo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1
[11:00] <Seveas> hmm, amd64
[11:00] <bob2> microhaxo: that's not the error, scroll up
[11:00] <[v2hja] > bob2,  fglrx                 229568  0
[11:00] <zyth> microhaxo, do you have an AMD64?
[11:00] <microhaxo> Yes i do
[11:00] <bob2> microhaxo: also, paste in #flood, not here
[11:00] <microhaxo> lol
[11:00] <microhaxo> k
[11:00] <microhaxo> that is an error
[11:01] <[v2hja] > Seveas, ... there is no /etc/modules
[11:01] <microhaxo> look in #flood
[11:01] <[v2hja] > not in nautilus
[11:01] <bob2> [v2hja] : don't use nautilus then
[11:01] <Seveas> [v2hja] , there is...
[11:01] <bob2> microhaxo: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to #flood
[11:01] <microhaxo> k
[11:02] <bob2> actually, don't bother, fglrx64-6-8-0 was never in ubuntu
[11:02] <bob2> kunterbunt: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[11:02] <[v2hja] > Seveas,
[11:03] <[v2hja] > i looked for a folder :D
[11:03] <[v2hja] > the last two lines are fglrx
[11:03] <kunterbunt> bob2, thanks!!
[11:04] <[v2hja] > Seveas,  does that help ?
[11:04] <bob2> microhaxo: get rid of the fglrx64-6-8-0 package
[11:04] <microhaxo> check it
[11:04] <microhaxo> bob2 check flood
[11:04] <microhaxo> i pasted it
[11:04] <microhaxo> k
[11:04] <bob2> and don't alien drivers again in future
[11:05] <microhaxo> err, waht do i search under in filemanager to remove that?
[11:05] <microhaxo> found it
[11:05] <[v2hja] > anyone ?
[11:05] <microhaxo> k bob2 its gone
[11:05] <microhaxo> now what?
[11:06] <Memorex> Moin, is it possible to use Debian/Sarge in Ubuntu?
[11:06] <lessshaste> hi... just started up the ubuntu live cd and it fails to recognise my serial mouse configuring it as ps/2 instead!!
[11:06] <lessshaste> What can I do ?
[11:07] <zyth> gack
[11:07] <lessshaste> (hoary)
[11:07] <zyth> all that to install WoW and my @#$@# account is out of TIME
[11:07] <paxor> 3rd time, Seveas .. is there a logviewer in KDE?
[11:07] <[v2hja] > bob2, or Seveas
[11:08] <goye2cz> how do I do a command to search for a file?
[11:08] <Memorex> find
[11:08] <lessshaste> how do I switch the mouse to serial?
[11:08] <goye2cz> in a terminal
[11:08] <Memorex> find / -name "filename"
[11:08] <goye2cz> thanks
[11:08] <lessshaste> goldfish, locate
[11:08] <microhaxo> Someone please help me install ati drivers, no matter what i get an error..
[11:09] <lessshaste> oop... goye2cz
[11:09] <lessshaste> microhaxo, #ati ?
[11:09] <microhaxo> no one talks
[11:09] <microhaxo> lol
[11:09] <lessshaste> well.. given that no one will help me with my mouse :)
[11:09] <microhaxo> err
[11:10] <microhaxo> i have no idea, i just installed linux today
[11:10] <microhaxo> lol
[11:10] <Memorex> microhaxo: I dont know but it could help http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
[11:10] <kunterbunt> bob2, what is universe?
[11:10] <bob2> microhaxo: now follow the instructions again
[11:10] <Memorex> well, my question again: is it possible and safe to mix Ubuntu and Debian/Sarge
[11:10] <bob2> Memorex: no, don't do it
[11:11] <bob2> kunterbunt: the unsupported section of the ubuntu archive
[11:11] <kunterbunt> bob2, oh thanks
[11:11] <bob2> equivalent to all of the fedora archive, aiui
[11:12] <[v2hja] > bob2, ..... where can i look what went wrong ,,,,, cuz ut2004 kills it self after 5sec on launch and glx geast gets 361
[11:12] <microhaxo> bob2, i did waht you said, how can i install ati drivers now?
[11:12] <kunterbunt> Does ubuntu also have this mp3 restriction fedora has?
[11:12] <bob2> microhaxo: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:12] <bob2> read that again
[11:12] <bob2> and don't install random rpms on your system in future
[11:12] <bob2> kunterbunt: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:12] <microhaxo> i did, i keep getting this %$@% error
[11:13] <bob2> microhaxo: no, you didn't
[11:13] <bob2> assuming you removed the package I told you to
[11:13] <goye2cz> I'm thinking jack shouldn't be that complicated to use. Am I wrong?
[11:14] <goye2cz> with qjackctl
[11:14] <[v2hja] > bob2 at least tell me if you are going to ignore me
[11:14] <bob2> [v2hja] : ffs
[11:14] <bob2> [v2hja] : you're being too vague for anyone to help you, sorry
[11:14] <bob2> perhaps someone could extract the information from you, but I'm not going to try, sorry
[11:15] <bob2> [v2hja] : try asking on the mailing list, perhaps
[11:15] <[v2hja] > obscure: not clearly understood or expressed
[11:15] <[v2hja] > w00t
[11:15] <[v2hja] > havent got that before
[11:20] <mirkash>  Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[11:20] <mirkash> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[11:20] <bob2> you have apt running somewhere else
[11:20] <bob2> or it crashed or got killed very harshly
[11:21] <microhaxo> i dont get this
[11:21] <microhaxo> i did waht is on the wiki, i still cant install this DAMN ati driver, glxgears shows 144 fps
[11:21] <microhaxo> :|
[11:21] <bob2> so
[11:21] <bob2> did you get an error?
[11:22] <microhaxo> if i use the old
[11:22] <microhaxo> sudo apt-get install fglrx-driver
[11:22] <microhaxo> no error
[11:22] <microhaxo> if i use new 5.04 deal
[11:22] <microhaxo> then i get error
[11:22] <microhaxo> this = error sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[11:23] <microhaxo> However none of them give me the drivers installed lol
[11:23] <bob2> no
[11:23] <bob2> you need to show us the actual error
[11:23] <bob2> not some summary of it
[11:23] <microhaxo> k hrm
[11:23] <bob2> paste the full output to #flood
[11:24] <microhaxo> no error now :|
[11:24] <microhaxo> but
[11:24] <microhaxo> the drivers are not installed?
[11:24] <[v2hja] > wft ........ some command someone gave me here REMOVED windows from grub
[11:24] <bob2> [v2hja] : don't run commands you don't understand
[11:24] <bob2> (also, that's very unlikely)
[11:25] <bob2> Memorex: yes
[11:25] <microhaxo> bob2, i posted what is goin on in #flood, no error it seems but the drivers are not installed.
[11:25] <[v2hja] > they where copyend and pasted from here
[11:25] <[v2hja] > i guess that might be thad upgrade command
[11:25] <bob2> microhaxo: yes, they are installed
[11:25] <microhaxo> why do i get 144 FPS IN glxgears then?!
[11:25] <microhaxo> should be gettin 4000
[11:26] <microhaxo> i get 144fps in CSS!
[11:26] <bob2> I have no idea
[11:26] <bob2> I'd assume because you didn't set it up right
[11:26] <microhaxo> that means the drivers ant installed
[11:26] <microhaxo> ...
[11:26] <bob2> no, it doesn't
[11:26] <bob2> you can prove the drivers are installed, if you like
[11:26] <microhaxo> AHAH
[11:26] <microhaxo> i did
[11:26] <bob2> find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) | grep fgl
[11:26] <microhaxo> they ant installed
[11:26] <bob2> wtf
[11:26] <microhaxo> look at #flood
[11:27] <microhaxo> mesa
[11:27] <bob2> no
[11:27] <microhaxo> not ati
[11:27] <bob2> dude
[11:27] <microhaxo> mesa are original drivers
[11:27] <bob2> that means you didn't edit the X config to tell it to use ati drivers
[11:27] <microhaxo> yes i did
[11:27] <microhaxo> the xorg config
[11:27] <bob2> really?
[11:27] <bob2> paste that file to #flood
[11:27] <microhaxo> k
[11:28] <bob2> microhaxo: use a better irc client
[11:28] <microhaxo> wth
[11:28] <microhaxo> im usin konversation
[11:28] <microhaxo> came with kubuntu
[11:28] <microhaxo> lol
[11:28] <bob2> konversation is apparently crap
[11:28] <microhaxo> Lol
[11:28] <bob2> use xchat or irssi-text
[11:28] <microhaxo> i guess
[11:29] <microhaxo> anywho check flood
[11:29] <bob2> you pasted 5 lines
[11:29] <[v2hja] > bob2, ... how can i get windows back to grub
[11:29] <bob2> then your irc client got kicked off the network
[11:29] <microhaxo> where you unable to read it?
[11:29] <bob2> useful irc clients pace it so you don't get kicked off
[11:29] <microhaxo> LOL
[11:29] <microhaxo> hrm
[11:29] <bob2> you only pasted 5 lines
[11:29] <microhaxo> can i pm you it?
[11:29] <bob2> no, that won't help
[11:30] <bob2> put it on the web or something
[11:30] <microhaxo> ahh shit
[11:30] <microhaxo> did it paste more than 5?
[11:30] <bob2> no
[11:30] <microhaxo> HRM
[11:30] <microhaxo> web it is
[11:30] <bob2> also, kate is doing terrible things to your files
[11:30] <microhaxo> to me?!
[11:31] <microhaxo> who is katE?
[11:31] <bob2> look at what you're pasting
[11:31] <bob2> your files don't really have html in them
[11:31] <microhaxo> lol
[11:31] <microhaxo> yea
[11:31] <microhaxo> eh
[11:31] <microhaxo> thats my viewer
[11:31] <microhaxo> txt editor
[11:31] <microhaxo> what is a site to paste code n stuff?
[11:32] <[v2hja] > topic in #flood
[11:32] <[v2hja] > look at it :D
[11:33] <microhaxo> http://rafb.net/paste/results/drsHFG89.html
[11:33] <microhaxo> there
[11:33] <[v2hja] > 	Driver		"ati"
[11:33] <[v2hja] > wrong
[11:33] <microhaxo> Bah
[11:33] <microhaxo> what is it then
[11:33] <microhaxo> fglrx
[11:34] <[v2hja] > 	Driver		"fglrx"
[11:34] <[v2hja] > right
[11:34] <bob2> microhaxo: the instructions do explain all this...
[11:35] <microhaxo> k i saved it.
[11:35] <microhaxo> still
[11:35] <microhaxo> now what?
[11:35] <bob2> now read the instructions again
[11:35] <[v2hja] > restart X
[11:35] <microhaxo> mk
[11:35] <microhaxo> brb
[11:35] <[v2hja] > ctrl alt backspace
[11:35] <[v2hja] > bob2,
[11:36] <[v2hja] > how can i reinstall grub
[11:36] <[v2hja] > it is phked up
[11:36] <bob2> you don't need to reinstall grub
[11:36] <bob2> if windows isn't in the list anymore, it's because you broke the menu.lst
[11:36] <bob2> just fix it
[11:36] <[v2hja] > i have no idea how to to this
[11:37] <[v2hja] > some command ?
[11:37] <[v2hja] > 3 hours in ubuntu ..... and allready phked up
[11:37] <bob2> I have no idea what you did to it
[11:37] <bob2> by default it works fine
[11:37] <bob2> you need to remember what you did to break it
[11:38] <Guerin> [v2hja] : and there's also a really, really clear example in menu.list
[11:38] <[v2hja] > how can i get it back to deafult ?
[11:38] <[v2hja] > where is menu.list ?
[11:38] <Guerin> [v2hja] : /boot/grub/
[11:40] <[v2hja] > :S
[11:40] <[v2hja] > the file is emty
[11:40] <kvidell> isn't it .lst?
[11:40] <bob2> yes
[11:41] <holycow> who here was telling me about inkscape from cvs?
[11:41] <[v2hja] > yes
[11:41] <[v2hja] > found it
[11:41] <kvidell> depends.. are you happy with them or upset with them? ;)
[11:41] <[v2hja] > ubuntu is twice there
[11:41] <[v2hja] > 4 times really
[11:41] <_root_> when trying to unpack a tar.gz while running rescue, it fails,can't exec gzip
[11:41] <[v2hja] > 2 + 2
[11:42] <microhaxo> this is some bs..
[11:42] <kvidell> hm?d
[11:42] <kvidell> plus or mins the d
[11:42] <kvidell> minus
[11:42] <kvidell> christ
[11:42] <microhaxo> Now kde wont even start
[11:42] <microhaxo> WTF
[11:43] <bob2> _root_: what are you trying to do?
[11:43] <microhaxo> what the hell bob2, now its a BLACK screen, KDE wont even show...
[11:43] <microhaxo> what do i do?
[11:44] <bob2> I don't know, we can't tell what you've done
[11:44] <microhaxo> you know what i did
[11:45] <microhaxo> i REPLACED DRIVER "ati" with fglrx
[11:45] <microhaxo> in the conf file
[11:45] <bob2> you told us you'd done that before, tho
[11:45] <microhaxo> all i did was replace ati with fglrx
[11:46] <microhaxo> and then kde wouldnt work any more
[11:46] <microhaxo> how do i get kde back working
[11:46] <microhaxo> ?!
[11:46] <bob2> it has nothing to do with kde
[11:46] <microhaxo> ?
[11:46] <microhaxo> then why the hell wont it load, its just a black screen
[11:46] <bob2> ?
[11:46] <kvidell> uh... put the old driver back?
[11:46] <microhaxo> how?
[11:46] <kvidell> because you destroyed your drivers :)
[11:46] <bob2> because X presumably isn't loading
[11:46] <kvidell> the opposite of what you did before?
[11:46] <microhaxo> i cant get into kde
[11:47] <_root_> bob2 : i went to rescue mode and chrooted and tried to uncompress a tar.gz file
[11:47] <microhaxo> i dont know how to do shit command
[11:47] <kvidell> you did keep track of your steps so you could reverse engineer your way out of a bubble right?
[11:47] <kvidell> ah
[11:47] <bob2> _root_: why?
[11:47] <kvidell> no CLUE
[11:47] <microhaxo> bah
[11:47] <kvidell> (command line user experience)
[11:47] <bob2> come on people
[11:47] <microhaxo> ill pico the xorg.conf file
[11:47] <microhaxo> thats the file it was in right
[11:47] <microhaxo> i think i forgot
[11:47] <microhaxo> lol
[11:47] <bob2> microhaxo: login as your user, then edit the config file with nano
[11:47] <microhaxo> nano
[11:47] <microhaxo> so
[11:47] <_root_> bob2 : i've got an important file in my home directory and i want to uncompress it
[11:48] <microhaxo> sudo nano xorg.conf
[11:48] <bob2> _root_: so boot into your noral system
[11:48] <Guerin> _root_: man chroot?
[11:48] <Guerin> _root_: notwithstanding bob2's eminently reasonable suggestion
[11:49] <_root_> Guerin : i booted in rescue and chrooted then only i tried to run gzip
[11:49] <Guerin> _root_: did you make sure everything was mounted where you expect?
[11:50] <_root_> yes
[11:50] <_root_> Guerin : yes
[11:50] <Guerin> _root_: what... you can ls -l /bin/gzip, but not run it?
[11:53] <_root_> Guerin : yes
[11:53] <kvidell> It makes me nervous that he quit from a connection problem.
[11:53] <iluciv> hi I just installed a new kernel on my knoppmyth box need help editing lilo to boot new kernel anyone??
[11:54] <Guerin> _root_: what happen when you try to run it?
[11:54] <gallonegro> how do add programs to applications
[11:54] <gallonegro> like k3b and zsnes with using command
[11:55] <_root_> Guerin: its not exectutable
[11:55] <kvidell> iluciv: I'm not going to tell you to leave but I will tell you that this room is in almost in no way related to any of those things, so you may find it difficult to get help on that here.. I sadly have not used Lilo in years otherwise I ~would~ help you, though :-\ Best I can say is google for an example lilo.conf and always remember to run "lilo" after making changes before rebooting.
[11:55] <Nermal> is there an ubuntu channel not for n00bs ?
[11:55] <Guerin> _root_: no x bit set? What options did you mount / with?
[11:55] <Guerin> Nermal: haha
[11:55] <kvidell> Nermal: #ubuntu-dev ?
[11:55] <Nermal> rightho
[11:55] <kvidell> or the #ubuntuforums I guess
[11:55] <microhaxo> amazing
[11:56] <microhaxo> i fixed it by my self
[11:56] <microhaxo> muhaha
[11:56] <microhaxo> ok
[11:56] <microhaxo> it was the Driver "fglrx"
[11:56] <microhaxo> that was problem
[11:56] <iluciv> ok I am presently on a ubuntu box if thats any thing
[11:56] <iluciv> :)
[11:56] <microhaxo> So
[11:56] <microhaxo> bob2
[11:56] <microhaxo> i know that if i change driver ati to fglrx it will not load kde
[11:56] <microhaxo> so
[11:56] <microhaxo> wtf
[11:56] <microhaxo> lol
[11:57] <Guerin> microhaxo: so where's the problem... use the one which works.
[11:57] <Memorex> fglrx is your problem
[11:57] <Nermal> microhaxo, on the plus side, your enter key appears to work fine
[11:57] <kvidell> well.. it's not that KDE wouldn't load... your video driver blew chunks all over the place when you changed it so NOTHING graphical loaded.
[11:58] <microhaxo> lol
[11:58] <microhaxo> yea
[11:58] <microhaxo> so
[11:58] <microhaxo> what does that mean?
[11:58] <kvidell> You may not have selected the perfect driver for your device? I donno
[11:58] <Nermal> it means stop writing one or two meaningless words on a line
[11:58] <microhaxo> :|
[11:58] <Nermal> like "lol, yea, so"
[11:58] <kvidell> I'm using a stock ati kernel module because I'm not gaming on this thing..
[11:58] <microhaxo> ok, so yea
[11:59] <microhaxo> i want the best video drivers.
[11:59] <kvidell> (ish my dev laptop I do NFS mounts to my code boxes with to do on-the-road-code and webdev goodies)
[11:59] <Nermal> use windows ?
[11:59] <Nermal> or nvidia
[11:59] <kvidell> or mac. *throws gay-pride apples at Nermal*
[11:59] <Nermal> :D
[11:59] <microhaxo> i have windows
[11:59] <microhaxo> and a x800xt
[11:59] <sam2> xchat should have a filter for removing lines that simply say "lol"
[11:59] <microhaxo> works PERFECT
[11:59] <microhaxo> :D
[12:00] <Wings> ello, I have an old laptop I out ubuntu on, and it's got a D-Link DE-660 network card, anybody got any idea how to get it running?
[12:00] <kvidell> hey... I'm using a logitech 3 button mouse with a wheel on my mac :-P
[12:00] <Nermal> sam2, I find /ignore <llama> ALL works well
[12:00] <kvidell> my dual-optical pwnership
[12:00] <Nermal> Wings, pcmcia ?
[12:00] <Wings> it doesn't say that on the actual card
[12:01] <Nermal> Wings, should work with pcnet_cs
[12:01] <Nermal> according to http://www.fdlinux.com/networkcompat.html
[12:01] <Nermal> so it should work out of the box
[12:01] <sam2> Nermal, a bit drastic, but it works too.
[12:02] <Wings> that's odd
[12:02] <Wings> I plugged it in, and it couldn't connect
[12:02] <Nermal> hum..
[12:02] <Wings> does ubuntu come with pcnet_cs.o ?
[12:02] <Nermal> any dmesg output or ifconfig output
[12:02] <Nermal> Wings, of course
[12:02] <Wings> just checking
[12:04] <kvidell> Just hit it with a stick until it works. *shrugs*
[12:04] <Wings> :-/
[12:04] <Nermal> I wish I could do that to the benefit scum in the uk
[12:05] <Guerin> ...
[12:05] <kvidell> that's what brummies are for. just swat at them and they make noise.
[12:05] <pepsi> anyone using breezy?
[12:06] <kvidell> not I.
[12:06] <kvidell> :-\ not anymore anyway.
[12:06] <Nermal> me at home
[12:06] <kvidell> I'm goin' ta bed
[12:06] <iluciv> ok anyone good with vi
[12:06] <pepsi> Nermal, do usb flash drives work for you?
[12:06] <Nermal> pepsi, erm.. not tried.. but I would have thought so
[12:06] <Guybrush|Numb> iluciv: what do you mean with good ?
[12:06] <Nermal> actually.. yes they do
[12:06] <pepsi> boo
[12:07] <iluciv> I need to find a particular line in a file in vi (text editor)
[12:07] <Nermal> not you ?
[12:07] <Nermal> Ilta, /search expression
[12:07] <Nermal> iluciv, even
[12:07] <xydinesh> iluciv:try /
[12:07] <pepsi> nope
[12:07] <Nermal> iluciv: or :<line number>
[12:07] <kvidell> like.... /poo
[12:07] <kvidell> :set nu
[12:07] <pepsi> i cant mount em
[12:07] <Nermal> pepsi, dmesg output
[12:07] <iluciv> k thanks
[12:07] <Nermal> hum
[12:07] <Nermal> I've not updated for a few weeks mind
[12:07] <kvidell> anywho. detatching screen now
[12:07] <Nermal> cya kvidell
[12:08] <xydinesh> iluciv:G <line number>
[12:09] <scanwinder> what is a TV tuner card called in /dev ?..........when i run scantv it says it cant find /dev/vbi..........
[12:10] <Nermal> scanwinder, usually /dev/video0
[12:10] <Nermal> but the vbi bit is something else
[12:10] <pepsi> Nermal, http://pastebin.com/299770
[12:10] <Nermal> maybe the i2c bit banging interface needed by some vlc cards
[12:11] <scanwinder> oh........what can i do 2 fix the error then?
[12:11] <pepsi> it sees the device, but wont mount it
[12:11] <Nermal> pepsi, what does sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt give you ?
[12:12] <pepsi> Nermal, my flash drive :)
[12:12] <holycow> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  <-- i get this error when trying to compile a package... that means in need to config the make file, correct?
[12:12] <Nermal> pepsi, it worked ?
[12:12] <holycow> oh no make file found nm
[12:12] <holycow> heh
[12:12] <pepsi> yeah
[12:12] <Nermal> holycow, try running ./configure first
[12:13] <pepsi> but clicking the usb0 icon in Computer yells at me
[12:13] <pepsi> whatever.. i can mount it myself
[12:13] <microhaxo> ok
[12:13] <microhaxo> well
[12:13] <holycow> Nermal, *nod* again i guess
[12:13] <microhaxo> its DEFINATELY the ATI to fglrx driver name deal, does this mean that the drivers default with kubuntu are bad and that i need ati's driers?
[12:15] <holycow> ah i see, more dependencies >_<
[12:15] <holycow> thanks Nermal
[12:15] <Nermal> np :|
[12:15] <Nermal> holycow, what package is it ?
[12:16] <jind> Hm, I have a strange behaviour here. A browser (Opera) sometimes suddenly exits. Have only seen this behaviour in Ubuntu. Any idea why?
[12:16] <microhaxo> SOO, someone help meh
[12:16] <xydinesh> yes, micro Ill try
[12:16] <microhaxo> k :D
[12:16] <xydinesh> :D
[12:16] <microhaxo> i have had a MAJOr problem installing ATI drivers
[12:16] <microhaxo> major
[12:16] <Nermal> xydinesh, a braver man than me
[12:16] <microhaxo> like 6 hours of trying
[12:17] <Seveas> microhaxo, you want a working xorg.conf?
[12:17] <microhaxo> mine works
[12:17] <Seveas> i can give you mine (it works)
[12:17] <xydinesh> :D not at all
[12:17] <microhaxo> but
[12:17] <microhaxo> if i change driver from
[12:17] <microhaxo> "Ati"
[12:17] <microhaxo> to
[12:17] <microhaxo> Fglrx
[12:17] <microhaxo> i get black screen
[12:17] <microhaxo> :|
[12:17] <holycow> Nermal, trying to compile inkscape from cvs
[12:17] <Seveas> microhaxo, i have one that works with fglrx :)
[12:17] <microhaxo> Err
[12:17] <Seveas> ubuntu-provided fglrx
[12:17] <microhaxo> but wont the monitor be off?
[12:17] <microhaxo> sure send it to me
[12:18] <holycow> i'm curious, someone mentioned it has some neat features
[12:18] <Seveas> microhaxo, paste.ubuntulinux.nl/76
[12:18] <microhaxo> k
[12:19] <xydinesh> micorhaxo, once I got that problem I was able to get rid of by using dpkg-reconfigure
[12:19] <rob^> does anyone know a good apt source I can get azureus from?
[12:19] <rob^> and the java packages
[12:19] <xydinesh> microhaxo, in my debian box
[12:20] <microhaxo> wow
[12:20] <microhaxo> it worked
[12:20] <Seveas> rob^: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[12:20] <microhaxo> lol
[12:20] <xabbu> Great, I jjust love my computer. I wake up this morning turn on my computer and I notice the screen i yellow... It's f*** great...
[12:20] <microhaxo> ELITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[12:20] <microhaxo> seveas THANK YOU I DUNNO WHAT I HAD WRONG OMG THANKS!
[12:20] <microhaxo> glxgears 7140fps :D
[12:20] <Seveas> :)
[12:20] <xydinesh> micorhaxo
[12:20] <Seveas> yw microhaxo
[12:20] <microhaxo> 7243fps
[12:21] <xydinesh> try this one
[12:21] <xydinesh> Simple... login as root and give,
[12:21] <xydinesh>         dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[12:21] <xydinesh> and you can reconfigure your vga.
[12:21] <xydinesh> But will tell you dirty old trick ;-)
[12:21] <xydinesh> Boot your machine with Knoppix or Mepis, they'll auto prob the
[12:21] <xydinesh> settings for you. If it can give 1024x768, then copy
[12:21] <xydinesh> /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to your hard disk (to the same place). That's
[12:21] <xydinesh> all and it's simple. Disadvantage is, you'll never learn how to
[12:21] <xydinesh> configure your vga ;-p
[12:21] <Seveas> do not paste in here
[12:21] <microhaxo> lol
[12:21] <Seveas> and do not give wrong instructions :)
[12:21] <microhaxo> muhahah
[12:21] <microhaxo> i have stayed up all night for 7000fps of GEAR ACTION
[12:21] <microhaxo> YEA!
[12:21] <microhaxo> finally
[12:21] <rob^> Seveas, what depository do I get java-package from?
[12:22] <Iaidoka> microhaxo: tweaking the graphics?
[12:22] <Seveas> from ubuntu multiverse rob^
[12:22] <Seveas> rob^, there are also pre-mada java packages in the backports repositories, but backports is an ill-advised way to go
[12:23] <GNULinuxer> what is the name of the xorg devel packages?
[12:23] <rob^> thanks Seveas
[12:23] <Seveas> xlibs-dev
[12:23] <Seveas> or whatever you need :)
[12:24] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, what are you trying to compile?
[12:24] <xydinesh> seveas, Sorry every one Its quite loon dats y I pasted it
[12:24] <GNULinuxer> Seveas, Beagle
[12:24] <xydinesh> quite long I mean
[12:24] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, have you followed the instructions on the beaglewiki or ubuntu wiki?
[12:24] <Seveas> they both have good instructions to get beagle working
[12:24] <GNULinuxer> Seveas, yes, but it needs scrnsaver.h
[12:24] <Seveas> hold on
[12:25] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, libxss-dev
[12:25] <GNULinuxer> Seveas, you mean libxssl-dev
[12:26] <Seveas> no
[12:26] <Seveas> dennis@mirage ~ $ apt-file search scrnsaver.h
[12:26] <Seveas> libxss-dev: usr/X11R6/include/X11/extensions/scrnsaver.h
[12:26] <Seveas> libxss-dev
[12:27] <GNULinuxer> Seveas, yeah ... but the main pacakge is called libxssl but the dev package is libxss-dev
[12:28] <Seveas> :)
[12:30] <microhaxo> guys i dloaded flash player 7
[12:30] <microhaxo> how do i install it?
[12:30] <microhaxo> apt-get or somthin?
[12:30] <scanwinder> how do i make xawtv use the channels that scantv picked up?
[12:30] <Seveas> microhaxo, downloaded from where?
[12:30] <Seveas> not the macromedia site i hope
[12:30] <microhaxo> micromedia flash
[12:30] <microhaxo> lmao
[12:30] <microhaxo> why?
[12:30] <Nermal> microhaxo, read ubuntuguide.org
[12:30] <Seveas> because that's been a useless download and you can toss it out ;)
[12:31] <Seveas> microhaxo, aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla
[12:31] <Nermal> fewl
[12:31] <Seveas> that'll install the ubuntu version
[12:31] <Nermal> :)
[12:31] <Seveas> make sure you have multiverse enabled
[12:31] <Seveas> Nermal, ubuntuguide is not good
[12:31] <Seveas> refer to the wiki instead
[12:31] <Nermal> Seveas, justification?
[12:32] <microhaxo> err
[12:32] <microhaxo> do i need to run mozilla
[12:32] <Seveas> Nermal, misinformation, suboptimal solutions, no explanations, no cooperation of the author with others...
[12:32] <microhaxo> i like
[12:32] <microhaxo> konqueror
[12:32] <Nermal> microhaxo, no
[12:32] <Nermal> ugh
[12:32] <Nermal> Seveas, ah
[12:32] <Seveas> konqueror & flash is a no-go afaik, but i don't use KrapDE so I can very well be wrong here
[12:32] <microhaxo> that didnt work
[12:33] <microhaxo> lol
[12:33] <microhaxo> eh
[12:33] <GNULinuxer> Seveas, which package is  gmime-sharp?
[12:33] <GNULinuxer> Seveas, it requires gmime-sharp.pc
[12:34] <microhaxo> k
[12:34] <microhaxo> how do i install firefox
[12:34] <microhaxo> then
[12:34] <microhaxo> ?
[12:35] <mindspin> with synaptic
[12:35] <otep> apt-get install mozilla?
[12:35] <Myrtti> mozilla-firefox
[12:35] <tonio_> hi
[12:35] <bob2> firefox is already installed
[12:35] <s00d> Hi. Can anybody help me with some security issues? Yesterday, Firefox started by itself, and loaded random pages, which I had never been to. I was wondering if it is plausible that somebody can be using a VNC type program on my computer? (I am only semi computer literate)
[12:35] <microhaxo> where?
[12:35] <microhaxo> i cant see it in internet?
[12:36] <Seveas> microhaxo, aptitude install mozilla-firefox
[12:37] <Seveas> s00d, only if you have enabled the VNC server, it's not on by default
[12:37] <we2by> any on ehere use 64bit cpu ?
[12:37] <bob2> we2by: lots of people do
[12:37] <bob2> I have an alpha heree next to me
[12:38] <we2by> I wonder how many app there is for 64bit cpu
[12:38] <bob2> do you mean "amd64"?
[12:38] <s00d> Seveas, so is there any other possibility that my box was broken into?
[12:38] <bob2> amd64 is but one of the many 64-bit cpus Linux runs on
[12:39] <Seveas> s00d, very unlikely on a default Ubuntu install
[12:39] <we2by> bob2, yep
[12:39] <bob2> we2by: do you care about binary-only crap?
[12:39] <we2by> bob2, I am more concerned about the app I need
[12:39] <bob2> e.g. flash, windows software, etc
[12:40] <s00d> seveas, is there any further reading you could point me to?
[12:40] <we2by> bob2, I need flash
[12:41] <we2by> windows software on linux? nope
[12:41] <we2by> I use vmware for that
[12:41] <Seveas> we2by, there's no flash for amd64
[12:41] <bob2> then use windows
[12:41] <bob2> even on i386 linux flash is unstable and annoying
[12:41] <Seveas> yeah...
[12:41] <we2by> flash is optional though
[12:42] <microhaxo> guys
[12:42] <Nermal> hush
[12:42] <microhaxo> that flash deal didnt work, flash didnt load in firefox?
[12:42] <we2by> bob2, are there separated repo for 64bit ubuntu?
[12:42] <Nermal> microhaxo, you install mozilla-flashplayer ?
[12:42] <bob2> we2by: no
[12:42] <Nermal> and firefox ?
[12:42] <microhaxo> aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla
[12:42] <microhaxo> that?
[12:42] <microhaxo> yea
[12:43] <Nermal> oh
[12:43] <microhaxo> and i still get the plugin deal
[12:43] <Nermal> ah well
[12:43] <we2by> bob2, how do I install app then?
[12:43] <Nermal> flash is useful for nothing anyway
[12:43] <microhaxo> hah
[12:43] <bob2> we2by: same as on i386 and ppc
[12:43] <Nermal> you restarted firefox ?
[12:43] <bob2> microhaxo: did it actually install it?
[12:43] <we2by> bob2, do u think those app run on 64bit cpu?
[12:44] <bob2> we2by: I don't know what you mean by "those"
[12:44] <we2by> xmms, xine firefox open office etc
[12:44] <bob2> yes, they're all ported to amd64
[12:44] <bob2> you can't (Easily) use windows dlls with xine, tho
[12:45] <shovel> Hey, can womeone recommend some programs for me, I want a program to edit the artist and title info inside an OGG file... And also another to convert mp3 to OGG!
[12:45] <shovel> thtanks
[12:45] <bob2> don't convert mp3 to ogg, it's silly
[12:45] <Guerin> shovel: you don't want to convert mp3 to ogg.
[12:45] <bob2> you can use vorbiscomment to edit the metadata in ogg files
[12:45] <Guerin> shovel: easytag can probably do the other thing.
[12:45] <shovel> ok will look at vorbiscomment and easytag
[12:45] <shovel> thanks
[12:46] <forsaker8k6> hello everybody
[12:46] <Nermal> hello darling
[12:46] <forsaker8k6> a question: how do i ad an e17 session to gdm?
[12:46] <shovel> The only reason I wanted to convert mp3 to OGG is ALL of my music is in OGG but I have 3 CDs that are scratched and I have got them off someone in mp3 and thought it would be best to have everything in ogg
[12:47] <we2by> bob2, does gnome work on 64bit cpu?
[12:47] <forsaker8k6> (or even how do i change gdm with entrance? )
[12:47] <microhaxo> what the hell
[12:47] <microhaxo> ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the
[12:47] <forsaker8k6> add*
[12:47] <microhaxo>        Macromedia Flash Player installer.
[12:47] <bob2> we2by: please stop saying "64bit cpu" when you mean "amd64", they mean very different things
[12:47] <microhaxo> is there any way to install linux!?
[12:47] <microhaxo> lol
[12:47] <microhaxo> im tired as hell
[12:47] <bob2> microhaxo: talk to macromedia about porting it to amd64 for you
[12:47] <we2by> the problem is that I'm still not sure what I buy
[12:47] <microhaxo> lmao
[12:47] <microhaxo> so im fubar?
[12:48] <bob2> you could install the i386 version of ubuntu
[12:48] <bob2> how much do you care?
[12:48] <bob2> we2by: yes, gnome works on amd64
[12:48] <Guerin> microhaxo: run a browser and your flash plugin in a 32-bit chroot
[12:48] <forsaker8k6> no idea about what i asked?
[12:49] <bob2> forsaker8k6: look in /etc/X11/sessions
[12:50] <tmjb> hello
[12:51] <xabbu> Is there any hardware channels on freenode?
[12:51] <Guerin> xabbu: #hardware comes to mind
[12:51] <forsaker8k6> bob2, thank you.. but there's only an Xsession file in /etc/x11/ and i can't find nothing usefull in it... could someone help me?
[12:51] <Guerin> bizarre as that may seem
[12:51] <xabbu> Guerin, Thanks... :P
[12:51] <tmjb> does exist any easy way to download  all multiverse packges for Hoary 5.04
[12:52] <hussam> I've been building firefox from cvs on aviary branch. Other than compiler cpu optimizations such as -O2, are there any performace patches to make firefox faster on linux? It seems a bit faster on windows than on linux.
[12:52] <bob2> forsaker8k6: copy /usr/share/xsessions/gnome.deskto to /etc/X11/sessions/ and modify it
[12:53] <Seveas> tmjb, why would you want that..?
[12:53] <tmjb> and why is (not free) to have ogg on ubunutu in standard edition
[12:53] <forsaker8k6> tnx bob2 i'll try
[12:53] <forsaker8k6> :)
[12:53] <Seveas> tmjb, ogg is by default usable in Ubuntu...
[12:54] <bob2> tmjb: er, you mean "mp3"?
[12:54] <tmjb> bob2,no ogg
[12:54] <Guerin> ...
[12:54] <NicP> ogg is installed by default
[12:54] <bob2> tmjb: ubuntu's default install includes just about ever ogg tool you can imagine
[12:54] <NicP> yep
[12:54] <bob2> hussam: you'd be better off asking the mozilla people, I'd think
[12:54] <tmjb> what about infamose mplayer
[12:55] <NicP> mplayer isnt installed
[12:55] <tmjb> how can i watch my dvd
[12:55] <NicP> but its not an ogg tool
[12:55] <NicP> its a universal player
[12:55] <NicP> dvds should play in totem
[12:55] <bob2> tmjb: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:55] <tmjb> oh tnx
[12:55] <NicP> yeah u will have to dl the codec first tho
[12:55] <bob2> mplayer isn't installed by default, because a) it implements patented codecs and b) it's unclear whether its distributable by anyone at all
[12:56] <tmjb> i am in europe I do not have Software Patents
[12:56] <NicP> you will soon
[12:56] <NicP> lol
[12:56] <shovel> Guerin: Easaytag is perfect thanks
[12:57] <bob2> I'm pretty sure the mp3 patent is enforced in germany, at least
[12:57] <Guerin> shovel: bonza mate.
[12:59] <mindspin> bob, not the patent just the frauenhofer codec afaik
[01:00] <tmjb> bob2,Not in Serbian and Montenegro
[01:01] <Guerin> tmjb: serbia and montenegro also isn't in EUrope...
[01:01] <Guerin> mindspin: you mean the PATENTED codec?
[01:02] <mindspin> serbia and nontenegro is definately europe
[01:02] <mindspin> yep
[01:02] <Guerin> mindspin: not EUrope, though.
[01:02] <mindspin> goz you
[01:02] <mindspin> got you
[01:02] <Seveas> EU-rope :)
[01:02] <DunkMaster> hello
[01:02] <mindspin> EU
[01:02] <Seveas> nice one
[01:02] <Guerin> Seveas: enough rope?
[01:02] <Seveas> the strangling rope of the EU
[01:03] <DunkMaster> i need help
[01:03] <DunkMaster> my ubuntu wont load, because it says that no screens found
[01:03] <mindspin> nonsense, a strong EU would be the best
[01:03] <DunkMaster> i think its xorg.conf
[01:03] <DunkMaster> how can i fix it?
[01:03] <Seveas> mindspin, let's not have that discussion in here, this is not #politics
[01:03] <mindspin> sure
[01:03] <Guerin> mindspin: if it wasn't evil(TM)
[01:03] <Guerin> yeah
[01:04] <microhaxo> yo guys, i just dloaded a FREE linux game, AMERICAS ARMY, how can i install it? its in the home dir..
[01:04] <mindspin> seveas you started it ;-)
[01:04] <Guerin> microhaxo: read the documentation on the site from which you downloaded it?
[01:04] <Guerin> (just an idea)
[01:04] <Seveas> mindspin, shh :)
[01:04] <Seveas> Guerin, if only everybody was that smart ;)
[01:04] <DunkMaster> please
[01:04] <microhaxo> its a .run file\
[01:04] <microhaxo> they dont have any docs on it
[01:04] <Seveas> microhaxo, chmod +x blablabla.run
[01:04] <microhaxo> its a port
[01:05] <Seveas> ./blablabal.run
[01:05] <Nermal> microhaxo, GFL
[01:05] <microhaxo> l
[01:05] <microhaxo> ;p;
[01:05] <microhaxo> lol
[01:05] <microhaxo> i am a die hard windows user but, i think i like this linux
[01:05] <Nermal> I wish you would die hard
[01:05] <microhaxo> lol
[01:05] <Nermal> sorry I meant to think that
[01:05] <Nermal> ah well
[01:05] <NicP> i hate windows
[01:06] <tmjb> Why Is ubuntu DVD bigger
[01:06] <microhaxo> err
[01:06] <Guerin> tmjb: because it's got more stuff on it
[01:06] <microhaxo> cuz it has more stuff in it
[01:06] <mindspin> I would have some more windows in my house ;-)
[01:06] <microhaxo> damn you
[01:06] <Guerin> tmjb: naturally
[01:06] <Guerin> heh
[01:06] <NicP> i have a thing against windows, because my friends are always getting spyware and viruses so i have to fix them
[01:06] <Seveas> tmjb, because it contains the complete main repositories
[01:06] <NicP> plus 90% of my junk mail is windows viruses
[01:07] <tmjb> Guerin,more .debs or source codes
[01:07] <Guerin> tmjb: both, I expect.
[01:07] <Guerin> tmjb: of course, your question is meaningless unless you specify what it has more THAN.
[01:08] <DunkMaster> please, can i get some help?
[01:08] <microhaxo> yo
[01:08] <Xabbu|> DunkMaster, whats the problem?
[01:08] <DunkMaster> my ubuntu wont load, because it says that no screens found
[01:08] <Guerin> DunkMaster: what video card?
[01:08] <DunkMaster> i think its xorg.conf
[01:08] <microhaxo> neither of those commands installed this game
[01:08] <microhaxo> its a .run
[01:08] <microhaxo> how can i execute it
[01:08] <DunkMaster> its ATi
[01:08] <microhaxo> ./ didnt work
[01:08] <DunkMaster> 2mb
[01:08] <microhaxo> neither did chmod
[01:09] <Seveas> microhaxo, if you do what i said, it'll work
[01:09] <Guerin> microhaxo: run file whateveritscalled.run
[01:09] <Lumpio-> Hi. I'm having some trouble with my wlan thing (again). Everything has worked beautifully before so I know everything's supported. But yesterday, everything just stopped working. I can't even get the wlan card to find my AP. I've tried fiddling with my wlan config and the APs config, resetting everything etc but to no avail. I'm not really experienced at this so I don't have any more ideas.
[01:09] <Seveas> chmod makes it executable
[01:09] <microhaxo> i did
[01:09] <Lumpio-> Anybody else got any ideas? :\
[01:09] <Seveas> ./filename.run runs it
[01:09] <microhaxo> chmod: cannot access `armyops230-linux.run': No such file or direct
[01:09] <Guerin> microhaxo: you have to tell it WHERE the file is
[01:09] <NicP> are u in the right directory?
[01:09] <Seveas> microhaxo, then you made a typo...
[01:09] <Guerin> strange as this may seem
[01:09] <shovel> no enter 'run' the filename
[01:09] <shovel> then
[01:10] <microhaxo> omg
[01:10] <microhaxo> opens it into kate
[01:10] <microhaxo> txt editor
[01:10] <Seveas> muha :)
[01:10] <microhaxo> lol
[01:10] <microhaxo> wth
[01:10] <Seveas> that's why you don't want to do that
[01:10] <microhaxo> this is at my desktop
[01:11] <microhaxo> why wont it run
[01:11] <microhaxo> lol
[01:11] <Seveas> microhaxo, in the shell go to the correct dir
[01:11] <Seveas> then type the chmod command
[01:11] <Seveas> and the ./bla.run
[01:11] <DunkMaster> bah
[01:12] <DunkMaster> :(
[01:12] <paxon> Can't use sudo :( semms like /etc/sudoers is damaged. Any way to fix this?
[01:12] <Seveas> paxon, what error do you get?
[01:12] <microhaxo> i get permission denied and im root
[01:12] <paxon> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 23 <<<
[01:12] <paxon> sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 23
[01:12] <microhaxo> lol
[01:12] <Seveas> hmm yeah
[01:12] <Seveas> sounds bad
[01:13] <Seveas> paxon, have you enabled the root account>
[01:13] <Seveas> ?
[01:13] <paxon> Nop.
[01:13] <Seveas> ok
[01:13] <Guerin> DunkMaster: run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, as root, and choose the 'vesa' driver
[01:13] <microhaxo> nm i got it
[01:13] <Seveas> then boot into rescue mode or boot from a livecd and edit the sudoers file
[01:13] <DunkMaster> i tried xsetup, like on DSL
[01:13] <microhaxo> WTF
[01:14] <microhaxo> error in md5 checksums
[01:14] <microhaxo> bs
[01:14] <microhaxo> no way its corrupt
[01:14] <Seveas> hehe
[01:14] <microhaxo> how can i bypass that
[01:14] <deco_> how can i kill tty2?
[01:14] <paxon> K.
[01:14] <NicP> microhaxo why are you root?
[01:14] <microhaxo> i had to to install
[01:14] <DunkMaster> ty Guerin
[01:14] <microhaxo> im not root now :D
[01:14] <DunkMaster> will try right away
[01:14] <microhaxo> had to sudo -s
[01:14] <Seveas> deco_, kill the getty that is tty2
[01:15] <Seveas> but it will respawn...
[01:15] <DunkMaster> hopefully brb
[01:15] <microhaxo> seveas, how can i overright that checkism deal
[01:15] <Seveas> microhaxo, you can't
[01:15] <microhaxo> i wanna install that game im TIRED AS HELL its fkin 6 am in the morning
[01:15] <microhaxo> OMG
[01:15] <microhaxo> i have to redl it!
[01:15] <Seveas> re-download it
[01:15] <Seveas> microhaxo, get some sleep...
[01:15] <Seveas> try again later
[01:16] <mindspin> or stop playing those games
[01:16] <Seveas> hehe
[01:16] <Guerin> 6am IN THE MORNING
[01:16] <Guerin> who would have thought?!
[01:16] <Seveas> haha
[01:16] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> anyone tried the new ati drivers with gui installer ?
[01:17] <microhaxo> dloading at 766kb/s
[01:17] <microhaxo> Ahh
[01:17] <microhaxo> nothing like kick ass speed
[01:17] <Lumpio-> So, er, any ideas on why my whole wlan would just totally stop responding all of a sudden?
[01:17] <Guerin> bah, that's weak
[01:17] <microhaxo> Bah
[01:17] <microhaxo> mr college campus elite fiberoptic leecher
[01:17] <Guerin> no way
[01:18] <Guerin> i have 100 megabit full-dup internet AT HOME
[01:18] <microhaxo> im happy with my 7mbit down
[01:18] <microhaxo> Bull
[01:18] <microhaxo> how
[01:18] <microhaxo> do you run a damn isp
[01:18] <microhaxo> lol
[01:18] <Guerin> probably for less than what you pay for yours :)
[01:18] <microhaxo> where the hell you live at KOREA?
[01:18] <Guerin> yup
[01:18] <microhaxo> BAH
[01:18] <Guerin> :)
[01:18] <Seveas> ah spam-land
[01:18] <r3d0xXuS``> hi all :D
[01:18] <microhaxo> lol
[01:19] <Seveas> hi r3d0xXuS``
[01:19] <r3d0xXuS``> cthulfuego there?
[01:19] <Guerin> Seveas: yes indeed. One of the win98 boxen at my work has a copy of the /etc/passwd file from the main gateway on its desktop :|
[01:20] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> wow the new ati driver install is nice
[01:21] <Seveas> Pop_pa_FrEaK, too bad they wasted their time with that instead of creating good drivers
[01:21] <microhaxo> BAH
[01:21] <r3d0xXuS``> hmm then i start my ask: i have on this PC installed WINDOWS XP, so i want ubuntu as my 2nd O/S system. its able to install as 2nd system without deleting my partition of winXP?
[01:21] <microhaxo> i SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS
[01:21] <microhaxo> with that driver
[01:21] <microhaxo> ...
[01:21] <microhaxo> and seveas could have ended my sorrow in 2 seconds
[01:22] <microhaxo> ..
[01:22] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS``, yes
[01:22] <Seveas> the ubuntu installer will detect windows xp and setup dual-booting
[01:22] <microhaxo> yep
[01:22] <microhaxo> very nicely
[01:22] <microhaxo> unlike REDHAT
[01:22] <microhaxo> ...
[01:22] <r3d0xXuS``> ok i try :o
[01:23] <Whistler> is there any way to fast swich between desktops?
[01:23] <Whistler> like alt+tab
[01:23] <r3d0xXuS``> see u later
[01:23] <Seveas> Whistler, what do you mean?
[01:23] <r3d0xXuS``> ill be back
[01:23] <microhaxo> dude, it sucks that i cant axx my ntfs partitions, i wanna get my music off of em and put em on here
[01:23] <Lumpio-> Ctrl+Alt+right/left arrow I guess, Whistler
[01:23] <Seveas> ah, you can setup keybindings for that
[01:23] <Lumpio-> At least I think that's the default setting
[01:23] <Whistler> lumpio thx
[01:23] <Whistler> =] 
[01:23] <Seveas> microhaxo, you can easily read from NTFS partitions
[01:23] <Lumpio-> Otherwise, System->Preferences->Keyboard Shortcuts
[01:23] <microhaxo> how
[01:23] <microhaxo> i get errror
[01:23] <microhaxo> with broken glass
[01:23] <Seveas> one sec
[01:24] <Seveas> ah you mounted them already?
[01:24] <microhaxo> mounted them?
[01:24] <Seveas> you cannot *write* to ntfs though...
[01:24] <Seveas> microhaxo, hang on
[01:24] <microhaxo> i wanna TAKE
[01:24] <microhaxo> from
[01:25] <misaka> So, just how stable is breezy anyway?
[01:25] <Seveas> microhaxo, download http://staff.science.uva.nl/~dkaarsem/windows_fstab and run it
[01:26] <microhaxo> k
[01:26] <Guerin> misaka: topic
[01:26] <misaka> Safe enough to switch my desktop over to it?
[01:26] <Seveas> that'll enable you to access ntfs
[01:26] <Seveas> somwhere under /media/
[01:26] <misaka> Guerin - Sorry, it's cut-off on my client.
[01:26] <Seveas> misaka, no
[01:26] <Guerin> misaka: type /topic
[01:26] <Seveas> misaka, breezy is very unstable
[01:26] <microhaxo> seveas how do i dl it, linux ALWAYS opens the source
[01:26] <microhaxo> lol
[01:26] <misaka> Right, got it. ;] 
[01:26] <Seveas> file -> save as
[01:26] <misaka> Are we talking unbootable-unstable?
[01:26] <misaka> Or just don't expect GNOME to work unstable?
[01:26] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> brb gotta reboot
[01:27] <Seveas> misaka, not-starting-x unstable and lotsa-programs-not-working unstable
[01:27] <misaka> Seveas - Cool. Thanks.
[01:27] <Seveas> and occasionally unbootable-unstable too :)
[01:27] <misaka> Seveas - That's the one that hurts the most.
[01:27] <Whistler> is it possible to drag prog from one desktop to another?
[01:28] <Seveas> Whistler, no, but you can setup keybindings for that too :D
[01:28] <yangguang> ??
[01:28] <Seveas> and a rightclick on the menubar will also reveal some moving-niceness
[01:28] <Seveas> 
[01:28] <Lumpio-> You can drag the mini-windows on the workspace selector
[01:28] <misaka> Is there a repository one can use to grab Firefox 1.0.4? Or is it expected one will just snag the tarball/deb (if available) for it?
[01:28] <Lumpio-> But it's kinda hard to hit small ones :P
[01:28] <Seveas> misaka, FF in ubuntu IS 1.0.4
[01:28] <Seveas> it only has the wrong verion number...
[01:29] <visor> hey ppl i just have seen Batman Begins, im just excited its not like a big deal to you i know :P
[01:29] <misaka> Seveas - Hrm. Both the deb version number and the 'About Firefox' versions show 1.0.2.
[01:29] <Seveas> misaka, i know
[01:30] <misaka> Seveas - So those are innacurate?
[01:30] <Seveas> it's 1.0.2 with all 1.0.4 securoty patches applied patches
[01:30] <Seveas> okay that line sucked...
[01:30] <Seveas> it's 1.0.2 with all 1.0.4 security patches applied
[01:30] <misaka> Seveas - I see. Cool.
[01:30] <misaka> Except that the bloody dom inspector isn't working and I can't quite sort out why. ;] 
[01:31] <Seveas> hehe :)
[01:31] <Lumpio-> I couldn't get it to appear on the version installed via apt
[01:31] <misaka> Trying to update any of the installed extensions says that I need to have FF 1.0.4 to access the updates.
[01:31] <Lumpio-> I thought it had to be enabled in the installer?
[01:31] <Seveas> isn;t it an extension?
[01:31] <misaka> ^^^ not cool.
[01:31] <Seveas> misaka ah :)
[01:31] <Seveas> misaka: Open firefox and in about:config set general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4
[01:32] <Seveas> and you will have access to the extensions again :)
[01:32] <misaka> heh. Hadn't thought of that. Won't that risk breaking other things though?
[01:32] <Seveas> not at all
[01:33] <Lumpio-> Meh, I'll go bash my AP around a bit, maybe it'll start working :I
[01:33] <misaka> Seveas - Is the diff between 1.0.2 and 1.0.4 only security patches? Nothing that might break an extension?
[01:33] <Seveas> yes
[01:33] <misaka> Seveas - Ok, thanks for everything, I'm going to give that a go.
[01:33] <misaka> I can always toast my ~/.firefox dir in case of anything.
[01:33] <r3d0xXuS``> seveas?
[01:33] <Seveas> misaka, this step is even recommended by ff developers :)
[01:34] <Seveas> yes?
[01:34] <r3d0xXuS``> Seveas i need ur help really
[01:34] <r3d0xXuS``> i put my cd into drive
[01:34] <Seveas> with what?
[01:34] <Seveas> ah
[01:34] <r3d0xXuS``> and it came ubuntu installer
[01:34] <r3d0xXuS``> ok he checked hardware and network
[01:34] <r3d0xXuS``> so then came a window with partition
[01:34] <r3d0xXuS``> so what must i do there
[01:35] <Seveas> do you already have an empty partition for linux or not?
[01:35] <r3d0xXuS``> not
[01:35] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS``, do you have partition magic?
[01:35] <r3d0xXuS``> no i ll download now wait
[01:35] <r3d0xXuS``> i know this
[01:35] <Seveas> ok
[01:35] <Seveas> how much memory do you have?
[01:35] <r3d0xXuS``> hdd?
[01:35] <Seveas> no, memory
[01:36] <r3d0xXuS``> ram?
[01:36] <Seveas> yes
[01:36] <r3d0xXuS``> 512
[01:36] <r3d0xXuS``> mb
[01:36] <Seveas> ok
[01:36] <r3d0xXuS``> ddr2
[01:36] <Seveas> you need 2 partitions for linux:
[01:36] <Seveas> 1 of about 512 MB for swap
[01:36] <microhaxo> PURE
[01:36] <microhaxo> bull
[01:36] <Seveas> and 1 that's as big as you want it (recommended at least a few gb) for the rest
[01:36] <microhaxo> Second time checkism is BAD
[01:36] <microhaxo> wth is goin on here!
[01:36] <Seveas> microhaxo, :|
[01:36] <microhaxo> omg im goin to sleep
[01:37] <microhaxo> ill figure it out later
[01:37] <r3d0xXuS``> Seveas my hdds are
[01:37] <r3d0xXuS``> hdd (free): 164.72/393.88GB (41.8%)
[01:37] <r3d0xXuS``> :o
[01:37] <Seveas> :)
[01:38] <r3d0xXuS``> got 5 hdds
[01:38] <Seveas> then give it 10 gb or so, you can install a lot then ;)
[01:38] <r3d0xXuS``> *lol*
[01:38] <Seveas> 5hdds?
[01:38] <r3d0xXuS``> yah :)
[01:38] <Seveas> why not make 1 a linux hdd>
[01:38] <r3d0xXuS``> sure that i want try that :P
[01:38] <Seveas> so wipe all of it and install linux on that  one
[01:38] <Seveas> ah ok
[01:38] <TheNose> hi! i have a problem with a cd burner! it is connected over usb! can somebody help me?
[01:38] <Seveas> well, wipe one hdd empty then :)
[01:39] <Seveas> and create the 2 partitions i mentioned
[01:39] <Seveas> the swap at the beginning is best
[01:39] <r3d0xXuS``> *starting partitionMagic*
[01:40] <Seveas> are you mixing SATA and IDE disks?
[01:40] <r3d0xXuS``> all IDE :)
[01:40] <Seveas> hmm
[01:40] <r3d0xXuS``> over RAID controller
[01:40] <Seveas> ah :)
[01:40] <r3d0xXuS``> hm
[01:40] <r3d0xXuS``> only empty partition?
[01:40] <r3d0xXuS``> or FAT / FAT32/ NTFS ?
[01:40] <r3d0xXuS``> for the linux
[01:40] <Seveas> yeah, 2 empty partitions
[01:40] <r3d0xXuS``> why 2 ?
[01:41] <Seveas> if you want, you can let PM make the swap partition linux swap
[01:41] <Seveas> and the other linx ext3
[01:41] <Seveas> the swap is for virtual memory
[01:41] <bwlang> r3d0xXuS``: you don't have to have a swap parition... you can use  a swap file instead
[01:41] <r3d0xXuS``> :o
[01:41] <Seveas> bwlang, nonsense...
[01:41] <r3d0xXuS``> what if i i use only 1 partition? :o
[01:41] <bwlang> Seveas: i run that way on raid systems...
[01:41] <Seveas> bwlang, loop-mounted filesystem?
[01:42] <moparfan90> hello
[01:42] <bwlang> Seveas: /swapfile       none            swap    defaults        0       0
[01:42] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS``, you *need* swap, virtual memory is absolutely needed
[01:42] <r3d0xXuS``> ok then
[01:42] <bwlang> dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfile bs=1024 count=youpickthe size
[01:42] <bwlang> mkswap /swapfile
[01:42] <moparfan90> i have been trying to get ubuntu for a day with no sleep. now it works but with alot of errors
[01:42] <Seveas> swapon /swapfile ..?
[01:43] <bwlang> Seveas: yep
[01:43] <Seveas> hmm
[01:43] <Seveas> i stand corrected
[01:43] <r3d0xXuS``> Linux EXT2 or LINUX EXT3 ?
[01:43] <Seveas> ext3
[01:43] <bwlang> Seveas: and you don't NEED swap... on my systems with lots of memory (like 12G) swap is useless
[01:43] <Seveas> bwlang, i know
[01:43] <Seveas> but he has 512MB :)
[01:43] <Seveas> so he NEEDS it
[01:43] <moparfan90> when you guys installed ubuntu did you have to go into a mwnu to get updated packages from errors??
[01:43] <DunkMaster> yeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[01:43] <Monkness> hi can someone help me
[01:43] <Monkness> plz
[01:43] <Seveas> moparfan90, no
[01:44] <Seveas> moparfan90, are you in the US?
[01:44] <moparfan90> o
[01:44] <DunkMaster> i got the beast working again
[01:44] <r3d0xXuS``> ok
[01:44] <Seveas> nice DunkMaster
[01:44] <bwlang> Monkness: just ask your questaion... lay off key repeat
[01:44] <moparfan90> then why did i im having alot of errors
[01:44] <Monkness> how do i install a .deb file?
[01:44] <DunkMaster> :)
[01:44] <r3d0xXuS``> then another empty partition @ Seveas?
[01:44] <r3d0xXuS``> too ext3 ?
[01:44] <Monkness> im a noob at ubuntu
[01:44] <Seveas> Monkness, dpkg -i blabla.deb
[01:44] <Monkness> ok
[01:44] <DunkMaster> i will brb, need to reboot, just got in
[01:44] <bwlang> Monkness: if you prefer gui you could use synaptic
[01:44] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS``, the large partition should be ext3
[01:44] <misaka> Does anyone else have the DOM Inspector grayed out in Firefox 1.0.2?
[01:45] <Seveas> the small 512 mb one linux swap
[01:45] <r3d0xXuS``> and the small unformated?
[01:45] <Monkness> one more thing, i got a source file for xmms but i get a glib error saying its not installed althought when i checked synaptic it seems installed
[01:45] <Seveas> Monkness, source file..?
[01:45] <Monkness> source as it the tar
[01:45] <Seveas> Monkness, what are you installing with the .deb by the way?
[01:45] <Monkness> *as in
[01:45] <Seveas> Monkness, you don't need that
[01:45] <Monkness> Seveas : vlc media player
[01:45] <misaka> Monkness - You may need the -dev package for glib, but you should probably just install the xmms binary package.
[01:45] <r3d0xXuS``> Seveas what do with small unformated partition
[01:45] <moparfan90> it said that there was errors in some of the packages use this program to get new ones. and i had to download the whole ubuntu thing again file by file.
[01:45] <Seveas> you can simply use synaptic to install it from the repositories
[01:46] <Seveas> Monkness, do NOT manually istall vlc
[01:46] <Seveas> simply use synapti for that
[01:46] <Monkness> Seveas : then what do i do
[01:46] <Monkness> so i start up synaptic then
[01:46] <Monkness> load the .deb file?
[01:46] <Seveas> Monkness: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:46] <r3d0xXuS``> Seveas what do with small unformated partition
[01:46] <Seveas> reead that and enable universe
[01:46] <Monkness> thanks
[01:46] <Seveas> then start synaptic
[01:46] <Seveas> and use the search function
[01:46] <moparfan90> ok. i have to go.
[01:47] <moparfan90> bye
[01:47] <Seveas> the small 512 mb one should be linux swap r3d0xXuS``
[01:47] <Monkness> or how do i install xvid/mp3 so that i can use totem to play?
[01:47] <bwlang> Monkness: stay away from tarballs... just use prepackaged stuff until you are experienced enough to build your own pacakges...  by installing from source code you destroy much of the value of a package manager like dpkg/apt
[01:47] <r3d0xXuS``> ok
[01:47] <r3d0xXuS``> ill install nu
[01:47] <r3d0xXuS``> brb
[01:47] <Monkness> k ta bwlang
[01:47] <Seveas> Monkness: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[01:47] <misaka> Nice signoff.
[01:48] <Monkness> how do i install a theme
[01:48] <Monkness> ?
[01:48] <misaka> So, sorry to repeat myself, but just to make sure ... nobody's seen the DOM Inspector disabled in the web developer menu in Firefox?
[01:48] <Monkness> want to change the look for ubuntu
[01:48] <Seveas> Monkness, go to gnome-look.org and download themes then
[01:48] <Seveas> see art.gnome.org too
[01:48] <Seveas> art.gnome.org/faq.php tells you how to install themes
[01:49] <bwlang> misaka: i don't even know what you're talking about - i don't have a web developer menu
[01:49] <Monkness> how do i load it up?
[01:49] <Monkness> just use gnome?
[01:49] <misaka> bwlang - Tools -> Web Developer -> Miscellaneous
[01:49] <Monkness> soz about the lame questions
[01:49] <Monkness> but just starting out :>
[01:49] <bwlang> misaka: you must have some extension ... i don't have that
[01:50] <misaka> bwlang - Hrm. Thought that was part of the default FF install now, guess not.
[01:50] <Seveas> Monkness, read what i said and visit the 3 urls i gave you
[01:50] <Monkness> Seveas i dont get what universe means
[01:51] <trygvebw> Hi
[01:51] <trygvebw> Any initng users here?
[01:51] <Seveas> Monkness, read the AddingRepositoriesHowto, universe is a component of the Ubuntu distribution. See www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components for the details
[01:52] <Monkness> k
[01:52] <Monkness> thanks
[01:53] <misaka> bwlang - Hey, just thought of something, does Ctrl-Shift-I do anything for you in Firefox on a webpage?
[01:54] <Seveas> nope
[01:54] <Seveas> and the web developer menu / toolbar work fine here on Ubuntu FF
[01:54] <misaka> Seveas - Is the Dom Inspector available through the menus though?
[01:55] <bwlang> misaka: no
[01:56] <misaka> bwlang - *nod*
[01:56] <Monkness> is mplayer in universe?
[01:56] <Monkness> i mean do i need to download it
[01:56] <Seveas> i don't have that installed :)
[01:56] <Seveas> Monkness, it's in multiverse
[01:56] <Monkness> or can i just use synaptic to install it
[01:56] <Seveas> so you can use synaptic
[01:56] <Monkness> whats a multiverse...
[01:56] <Monkness> sigh this nakes no sense
[01:56] <Seveas> multiverse is another component :)
[01:57] <Monkness> so i dont need to download it?
[01:57] <DunkMaster> ok, back
[01:57] <misaka> Seveas - ;]  ... neither do I, and it seems to depend on mozilla-firefox (= 1.0.2-0ubuntu5) ... I have -0ubuntu5.3 installed.
[01:57] <misaka> argh.
[01:57] <DunkMaster> but still have a problem
[01:57] <Seveas> ouch
[01:57] <Seveas> file a bug then :)
[01:57] <DunkMaster> i need to set XFCe to estonian keyboard layout
[01:58] <Seveas> Monkness, no
[01:58] <Monkness> kewl
[01:58] <christos> anyone knows any package for algol compiler?
[01:58] <misaka> Monkness - Universe and multiverse are collections of packages that you can add to your ubuntu system. You don't install the entire thing, you pick and chose which packages you want to install from the universe or multiverse.
[01:59] <Monkness> but this glib thing i want to sort it out though...i installed the c++ compiler then ran a ./configure on the xmms installer but it says my glib is outdated though when i checked synaptic its version 2. something
[01:59] <DunkMaster> Seveas, can you help me setting estonian keyboard layout in XFce?
[01:59] <Seveas> christos, gcc can hadle algol iirc
[01:59] <misaka> Monkness - If it's still confusing, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components describes components.
[01:59] <DunkMaster> its not in the settings
[01:59] <Seveas> DunkMaster, no i can't sorry
[01:59] <DunkMaster> damn
[01:59] <christos> Seveas: what's iirc?
[01:59] <DunkMaster> i like XFCe its fast
[01:59] <misaka> Monkness - You really should just install the binary packages and not bother with the source ...
[01:59] <Seveas> if i recall correctly
[01:59] <Monkness> misaka i want to learn though
[01:59] <Monkness> :>
[02:00] <Monkness> i mean what if tehres a program without the debain binary...
[02:00] <Monkness> :<
[02:00] <misaka> Monkness - .... learn to install the binary packages first? ;]  But seriously, that kind of stuff will come, but you're installing a package here with a lot of dependancies, it's not the best one to start with to learn.
[02:00] <Seveas> Monkness, there are not many such programs :)
[02:00] <misaka> Monkness - There aren't a lot of those. ;] 
[02:00] <Monkness> oookies
[02:01] <misaka> Gack. I think I'm just going to run DOM Inspector on my OSX box.
[02:01] <Seveas> misaka, why don't you file a bug then?
[02:01] <Monkness> im on the gname look site...which one should i choose for a theme theres sections on gtk, gdm themes?
[02:01] <Monkness> *gnome rather
[02:02] <Seveas> gtk themes
[02:02] <Seveas> gdm is the logon screen
[02:02] <Monkness> 2.x?
[02:02] <Seveas> 2.x yes
[02:02] <misaka> Monkness - gtk themes change the look of your widgets ... buttons, scrollbars, etc. gdm is the login manager, a different component.
[02:02] <Monkness> AHA
[02:02] <Monkness> i get i get
[02:02] <bionic> Whats the default cups username/password in ubuntu 5.04? Or do I have to make one somehow?
[02:02] <Monkness> and whats the splash screen t then
[02:03] <misaka> Monkness - Sorry, not sure about that. ;] 
[02:03] <Seveas> Monkness, you need to run the configuration editor from the applications menu to change that
[02:03] <goye2cz> any way to test if I've correctly installed my tascam us-122
[02:03] <goye2cz> ?
[02:04] <misaka> goye2cz - I've got one of those ...
[02:04] <misaka> Are there Linux drivers for them?
[02:04] <Monkness> anyway of running starcraft in ubuntu :o
[02:05] <goye2cz> misaka: appears to be.
[02:05] <misaka> Neat-o.
[02:05] <Seveas> Monkness, maybe with wine, you should google for it
[02:05] <goye2cz> misaka: don't take my word for it, I don't have it working yet.
[02:05] <DunkMaster> when i change the kb layout in xorg.conf i will just need to reboot then?
[02:06] <Monkness> ah yes wine is the windows emulator for nix right
[02:06] <DunkMaster> yes
[02:06] <misaka> goye2cz - Well, wouldn't mind hearing if you end up sorting it out. ;] 
[02:06] <DunkMaster> i use one atm
[02:06] <DunkMaster> to run WinMX
[02:06] <Monkness> k
[02:07] <Monkness> are u guys resposible for the development of ubuntu?
 Whats the default cups username/password in ubuntu 5.04? Or do I have to make one somehow? <-- also interested in that!!?
[02:07] <goye2cz> misaka: this is the link to directions on how to install it: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-30891.html The link to the RPM is broken, but someone here helped me find one.
[02:07] <misaka> bionic/Heart| - Have you guys checked the ubuntu docs for cups? Instructions on getting it going may be in there.
[02:08] <DunkMaster> brb, need to change the layout
[02:08] <misaka> goye2cz - Cool.
[02:09] <Monkness> what is metacity
[02:10] <NicP> metacity is the default windowmanger of gnome
[02:10] <bionic> misaka, my bad, works like a charm, thanks.
[02:11] <misaka> bionic - Might want to let Heart| know. ;] 
[02:12] <bionic> Well didnt need it for adding a printer. Thaught I did.
[02:12] <n3C> what command is to download kde?
[02:12] <n3C> apt-get install kde
[02:12] <n3C> or
[02:13] <n3C> apt-get install kdebase
[02:13] <bionic> sudo apt-get install kde
[02:13] <Monkness> why use kde if ubuntu has gnome?
[02:13] <bionic> it will install what you need
[02:13] <Whistler> how can i start smart update?
[02:13] <n3C> i dont like gnome
[02:13] <Riddell> n3C: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:13] <Seveas> n3C, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[02:13] <Eudoxus> Hi
[02:13] <Seveas> hi Riddell :)
[02:13] <Seveas> do you have a trigger on KDE? ;)
[02:14] <Whistler> how can i start smart update?
[02:14] <Riddell> Seveas: yep :)
[02:14] <Seveas> lol!
[02:14] <misaka> Triggers on keywords in here? You guys must be commited. ;] 
[02:14] <Eudoxus> Is there a Netlimiting software available for linux?
[02:14] <Seveas> Whistler, by hitting the smart update button...
[02:14] <Seveas> misaka, Riddell is the kubuntu-leader
[02:14] <Eudoxus> where you can control download and upload speed from individual applications
[02:14] <Whistler> i cant find it
[02:14] <Whistler> :d
[02:15] <misaka> Seveas - Ah. That's commited indeed. ;] 
[02:15] <Seveas> Whistler, hit mark all upgrades and choose smart upgrade
[02:15] <misaka> Hrm. Has anyone experienced problems with k3b where windows show up off-screen and unreachable?
[02:15] <misaka> Or is it one of those 'just me' things ...
[02:18] <zerokills> how do i switch between different desktop environments like kde and xfce and gnome
[02:18] <mjr> zerokills, the gdm menu provides a choice
[02:18] <mjr> (gdm is the graphical login screen)
[02:19] <mindspin> after updating kde, i had some weird effects in window behaviour, (poping up and changing focus) I have now disabled acpi but Im not sure if this is the solution.
[02:19] <Seveas> window behaviour and acpi aren't related...
[02:19] <mindspin> until now it seems to work anyone shared that experience?
[02:20] <afonit> how does one do synaptic upgrades without the cdrom when it asks for the cdrom to be inserted?
[02:20] <jacob> I can see my neighbor's router's info on iwlist eth1 scan (ap, essid, channel, encryption=off) and my settings in iwconfig match, but my pings to 192.168.0.1 time out. What should my next step be?
[02:20] <mindspin> acpi showd strange effects on my notebook here
[02:20] <Seveas> afonit, remove the cdrom from the enabled sources
[02:20] <Daylighthater> Can I ask a game question? Does anyone know if there is a linux client for kalonline www.kalonline.com
[02:20] <afonit> seveas:  well that is easy, ok I'll try that
[02:21] <misaka> Daylighthater - Ask google ...
[02:22] <Daylighthater> I did :d
[02:22] <Seveas> jacob, ask your neighbout to let you use his router,,,
[02:22] <afonit> sveas: that worked, thanks alot
[02:22] <Seveas> yw
[02:22] <jacob> Seveas, I don't know whose it is.
[02:22] <Seveas> jacob, then why do you use it?
[02:23] <jacob> if he didn't want people using it, he'd use wep
[02:23] <Seveas> jacob, we do not support this kind of illegal activities
[02:23] <bigfoot1> hello all. I'm a newbie to Ubuntu/Linux. I have some 2 minor problems. After I hibernate my computer, and I try to get back on (by pressing the power button on the box), I get to see Ubuntu again but it's frozen. The other problem is that I have chosen to have some power management with my screen/display. In Prefencences-->Screensaver-->Advanced Tab-->upper right quadrant, I have checked all 3 of the boxes there. After some time away from my
[02:23] <bigfoot1>  computer, when I return and hit a key on the keyboard or move the mouse, nothing happens, the screen does not go from off to on. If you have any feedback, I'm all ears. Thank you for helping a newbie.
[02:23] <zerokills> gdm automatically loads?
[02:23] <jacob> so what law is that against again?
[02:24] <misaka> bigfoot1 - You're really best off trying to make questions as short and concise as possible, dude.
[02:24] <Seveas> jacob, that depends on your country
[02:24] <bionic> Hello, im trying to run a XviD file in mplayer, using -vo xv. But keep getting It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available. Do I need to install xvid codec or something?
[02:24] <Seveas> misaka, but at least he gives all info :)
[02:24] <misaka> bigfoot1 - I don't think anybody here is paid to try to sort through long/complicated questions.
[02:24] <Seveas> bigfoot1, hybernate is not quite stable yet in Linux, best not to use it
[02:24] <misaka> Seveas - Well, he's off to a good start in that dept, s'true. ;] 
[02:25] <jacob> usa in this case, and it's not illegal to connect to an open, unsecured network and do no damage
[02:25] <Goshawk> what about anjuta 2.0 on ubuntu? is there a non official repository?
[02:25] <bigfoot1> misaka, i tried to make them as specific as possible so that we could get to work immediately 8-).    I'm sorry you find my questions long and complicated. Could it be because I put the whole story into one post, rather than chopping it up into several? 8-)
[02:26] <misaka> bigfoot1 - Ya, two questions in one long post ... ;] 
[02:26] <bigfoot1> seveas, okay. I was able to use it a while back, so i was wondering why it stopped working as it was.
[02:26] <bigfoot1> misaka, yes. One reason i put the 2 questions in one was because they may be related.
[02:26] <Seveas> bigfoot1, you should send out a mail to the ubuntu-users mailing list, there are lots of smart people ther so you might get a better answer than from me
[02:27] <misaka> bigfoot1 - You're right, they may be. If you've changed your kernel lately then maybe that could be related ... either way, I've not encountered those issues recently, so can't really comment.
[02:27] <bigfoot1> seveas, okay. Just curious, what do you use instead of hibernate? Or do you just leave your comp/monitor always on?
[02:27] <misaka> It's been a long while since I had my screensaver lock-up on me, I think it was the beta NVidia drivers days.
[02:28] <holycow> http://www.linspire.com/lindows_storefront.php?own=yes#virussafe  <-- heh
[02:28] <holycow> linspire sells a virus checker
[02:28] <holycow> wow
[02:28] <Seveas> always on (laptop with an uptime of > 1 month, and i travel a LOT)
[02:28] <holycow> i hate windows users seriously
[02:28] <Seveas> linspire is pure crap...
[02:28] <misaka> I just use cpu freq scaling to lower the CPU burn.
[02:28] <bigfoot1> what's uptime? is that the length of time you have had your cpu on?
[02:28] <bigfoot1> seveas.
[02:28] <holycow> the sell virus protection ... *blink*
[02:28] <Seveas> bigfoot1, yes
[02:29] <Seveas> type the command uptime in a terminal :)
[02:29] <Seveas>  14:29:09 up  1:43,  2 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.04, 0.11
[02:29] <Seveas> ghe
[02:29] <bigfoot1> seveas, re: the mailing list, do you think i should ask them about the screensaver lockup issue, or the hibernate issue, or both?
[02:29] <misaka> Seveas - That' ain't a month. ;] 
[02:29] <Seveas> so much for the month uptime, i forgot that i rebooted :)
[02:29] <misaka> heh.
[02:29] <Whistler> 18:29:42 up  1:17,  2 users,  load average: 0.48, 0.41, 0.37
[02:30] <bigfoot1>  21:31:59 up 14 min,  2 users,  load average: 0.21, 0.27, 0.19
[02:30] <jbroome> Seveas: yeah, that was an odd looking month. :)
[02:30] <Whistler> this means my system total uptime is 18h?
[02:30] <bigfoot1> why 2 users?
[02:30] <Seveas> bigfoot1, every terminal counts as 1
[02:30] <Seveas> and the graphical environment too
[02:30] <misaka> Eesh, I've got all you guys beat with my OSX machine.
[02:30] <jbroome> Whistler: one hour 17 minutes
[02:30] <jbroome> 18:29 is the time where you are now
[02:30] <Seveas> so 1 for the gui and one for the terminal where you ran uptime
[02:30] <misaka> 14:29  up 8 days, 12:35, 3 users, load averages: 0.93 0.57 0.59
[02:30] <misaka> mahahaha
[02:31] <Seveas> wow
[02:31] <Seveas> quite a load...
[02:31] <misaka> Ya, well, this _is_ OSX ...
[02:31] <Seveas> hmm
[02:31] <misaka> OSX isn't the most efficient OS, unfortunately.
[02:31] <Seveas> :)
[02:31] <misaka> But then, I do have a shit-load of apps running.
[02:31] <jbroome> 08:31:25 up 249 days, 18:54,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[02:31] <Seveas> but it looks cool though :)
[02:31] <misaka> jbroome - Show-off.
[02:31] <bigfoot1> seveas, should i give both questions to the mailing list? or is the hibernate issue resolved already between the 2 of us?
[02:32] <Seveas> jbroome, foolish :)
[02:32] <Seveas> don't you ever install kernel updates?
[02:32] <jbroome> Had a 500 + uptime box, but some doofus rebboted it
[02:32] <Seveas> bigfoot1, both
[02:32] <misaka> Seveas - Who says he's even running Linux? ;] 
[02:32] <Seveas> misaka, apart from VMS all oses need rebooting
[02:32] <jbroome> Seveas: it's a fileserver that isn't open to the outside except for ssh.
[02:32] <Seveas> jbroome, still i would keep my kernel up-to-date
[02:33] <termite> xmms-mad_0.5.4-1_i386.deb = is that the one i need to open with synaptic?
[02:33] <bigfoot1> seveas, how do we keep our kernels up-to-date?
[02:33] <Seveas> termite, no
[02:33] <termite> is that xmms install file that is
[02:33] <misaka> Seveas - But not all OSs have the same penchant for rebooting ...
[02:33] <bob2> 500 days = you have local root exploits
[02:33] <Seveas> do not manually download debs
[02:33] <termite> Seveas its me monkness
[02:33] <bigfoot1> Seveas, how do we know if our kernel is up-to-date?
[02:33] <termite> Seveas then how do i download stuff?
[02:33] <misaka> Not all OSs have as many kernel updates as Linux, for example.
[02:33] <bob2> termite: just let synaptic download it for you
[02:33] <Seveas> termite, just search for xmms in synaptic
[02:33] <termite> what about vlc
[02:33] <bob2> misaka: most just don't acknowledge them, afaict
[02:33] <Seveas> and mark it for installation
[02:33] <termite> is that in synaptic as well
[02:34] <bob2> e.g. windows 2000 has outstanding local root exploits
[02:34] <termite> what if i need to install something thats a .deb file then what do i do...
[02:34] <misaka> bob2 - Well, ya, there's also that.
[02:34] <Seveas> bigfoot1, by installing linux-686 (or whatever you need) and regularly running apt-get upgrade
[02:34] <bigfoot1> seveas, why do you say that all OSes need rebooting? I thought LInux was an OS that never needed it.
[02:34] <Seveas> bigfoot1, it does, on kernel upgrades
[02:35] <misaka> bigfoot1 - Need isn't the same as *wanting* ... you probably *want* to reboot your Linux machine for kernel updates, more than you *need* to.
[02:35] <termite> Seveas i want to install vlc
[02:35] <Seveas> the only OS i know that supports rolling kernel upgrades is VMS
[02:35] <termite> i downloaded the deb file
[02:35] <termite> now what?
[02:35] <erb> hi
[02:35] <Seveas> termite, then enable universe and multiverse, throw out the .deb and use synaptic
[02:35] <Seveas> didn't you read the pages i gave you AT ALL?
[02:35] <termite> what if that machine is nt on the internet
[02:35] <termite> the ubuntu machine that is
[02:35] <termite> im using a usb flash to get apps to that machine
[02:35] <Seveas> termite, then download *ubuntu* debs from packages.ubuntu.com
[02:36] <Seveas> not random debs from other sources
[02:36] <termite> cant i just use any deb package
[02:36] <Seveas> no, definitely not
[02:36] <termite> whys that thought they are the same
[02:36] <termite> :/
[02:36] <paxon> Seveas, /etc/sudoers problem fixed, thanks. rw inite=/bin/bash did it.
[02:36] <Seveas> :)
[02:38] <bob2> termite: no, they're not the same
[02:38] <bionic> Im trying to play a xvid file in mplayer, it shuts down with Couldn't open /dev/3dfx. Installed the w3codecs. Ati card. Anyone please?
[02:39] <termite> so i can run any package on the package.ubuntu.com with synaptic?
[02:39] <Seveas> no, you should use: dpkg -i filename.deb
[02:39] <misaka> bionic - You don't have a 3dfx card do you?
[02:39] <termite> k ta Seveas
[02:39] <misaka> bionic - Looks like mplayer is trying to access /dev/3dfx for some reason ... how're you running it?
[02:40] <LokeDK> I installed ubuntu yesterday, but my sound doesn't work. I have a Creative SoundBlaster Audigy 2 card.. alsamixer says alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device and in lspci there's 0000:00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs: Unknown device 0008
[02:40] <termite> so synaptic can only install programs that are already on my pc which are optional?
[02:40] <LokeDK> And nothing is wrong with my card - because in works in windows
[02:41] <bionic> misaka, mplayer -vo xv file.avi
[02:41] <misaka> bionic - Any other error messages in mplayer's output?
[02:41] <LokeDK> and works fine in suse 9.3 too
[02:42] <termite> i cant find the vlc package on the packages.ubuntu
[02:42] <termite> :;/
[02:42] <Lincx> Hey
[02:43] <misaka> termite - I haven't been following ... why can't you find vlc in synaptic?
[02:43] <termite> is it therE?
[02:43] <termite> soz i didnt check
[02:43] <termite> im using a windows machine here
[02:43] <termite> my ubuntu machine is somewhere else
[02:43] <bionic> misaka, actually it complains about xv, It seems there is no Xvideo support for your video card available. No support for Ati Radeon 9800?
[02:43] <termite> im just get ting programs
[02:43] <DeadStar> hello.. can somebody tell me how to change the server from where apt-get is geting the requested packages?
[02:44] <misaka> termite - It's in synaptic for me, so long as you've got the right repositories setup it should go.
[02:44] <misaka> DeadStar - That's stored in /etc/apt/sources.list ... assuming you're not using synaptic.
[02:44] <termite> repositories setup?
[02:44] <termite> i didnt understand that
[02:44] <misaka> DeadStar - In which case, you should change it in there I think.
[02:44] <carambol> www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:45] <misaka> bionic - It may not be enabled properly in your X11 configuration file.
[02:45] <DeadStar> misaka, i found it.. thanks..
[02:45] <termite> misaka ive just made a clean install of ubuntu
[02:45] <bionic> misaka, the graphic card works fine, im playing q3 24/7 :p
[02:45] <carambol> termite,is for u
[02:45] <DeadStar> do you recomand me a adress?
[02:45] <termite> without an internet commection
[02:45] <termite> will it have vlc?
[02:46] <misaka> termite - http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[02:47] <misaka> termite - That talks about repositories. If you're using the universe component then vlc should be available.
[02:47] <termite> sudo apt-get install xmms
[02:47] <termite> wget -c http://frankandjacq.com/ubuntuguide/xmms-wma_1.0.4-2_i386.deb
[02:47] <termite> sudo dpkg -i xmms-wma_1.0.4-2_i386.deb
[02:47] <termite> ok
[02:48] <termite> that computer does not have an internet connection
[02:48] <termite> so if i just copy xmms-wma_1.0.4-2_i386.deb to that machine
[02:48] <bionic> misaka, works fine in vlc tho, maybe its not supported by mplayer? Would like to get that to work too.
[02:48] <termite> and just run sudo dpkg will it work?
[02:49] <misaka> bionic - How about not using '-vo xv'? Considering the error you're getting is related to that ...
[02:49] <misaka> Try just 'mplayer file.avi'.
[02:50] <misaka> termite - That'll make it harder, because xmms will probably want other packages installed too.
[02:50] <bionic> misaka, tried that, the file starts, but its very small, and it doesnt change on fullscreen
[02:50] <bionic> the picture is ver y small i mean.
[02:50] <misaka> bionic - It doesn't scale it?
[02:50] <holycow> you know what tho, nvu is not too shabby indeedy
[02:51] <termite> that site helps misaka thanks
[02:51] <misaka> bionic - Try '-zoom' on the cmdline, or try reading the manpage for mplayer. ;] 
[02:51] <termite> but where will i find a complete list of the stuff which i can install
[02:52] <termite> in universe
[02:52] <termite> or mutiverse
[02:52] <DeadStar> dows somebody knows a good adress for apt-get .. where i can find packages like mc ....
[02:52] <misaka> termite - Isn't xmms on the ubuntu cd?
[02:52] <termite> misaka i just need to install vlc
[02:52] <misaka> DeadStar - ubuntu has mc ... have you enabled universe/multiverse?
[02:52] <termite> i want to watch some stuff for today
[02:52] <misaka> termite - So ... no cd?
[02:52] <DeadStar> ow
[02:52] <termite> i have the cd
[02:52] <DeadStar> :D
[02:52] <r3d0xXuS``> so im back :D
[02:53] <r3d0xXuS``> Seavas
[02:53] <tola> I'm experimenting with hoary as a web server and am trying to get horde imp working. I apt-get installed imp3 but I'm not clear on what the installer configured automatically and what I am expected to do myself as some of the steps listed in the bundled documentation have certainly already been done. How can I find out what steps I actually need to take for a working system?
[02:53] <r3d0xXuS``> Seveas
[02:53] <bionic> Argh, did you say something misaka?
[02:53] <termite> misaka i have the cd
[02:53] <ccc> bionic: try: mplayer -vo xv -zoom
[02:53] <Seveas> wb r3d0xXuS``
[02:53] <r3d0xXuS``> ok
[02:53] <_oDy_> hi, how do I setup nfs in ubuntu?
[02:53] <r3d0xXuS``> install works
[02:53] <Seveas> nice
[02:53] <misaka> bionic - Try '-zoom' on the cmdline, or try reading the manpage for mplayer. ;] 
[02:53] <misaka> ;] 
[02:53] <r3d0xXuS``> but how i add a connection for my dsl?
[02:53] <r3d0xXuS``> so i want connect with ubuntu
[02:54] <misaka> termite - Hrm. And no vlc on there? I don't know offhand if it's there or not.
[02:54] <termite> misaka so i cant just install a debian package?
[02:54] <termite> with a command line?
[02:54] <misaka> termite - That's what we're talking about, isn't it?
[02:54] <termite> yes
[02:54] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS``, try sudo ppoeconf in a terminal
[02:55] <r3d0xXuS``> k mom
[02:55] <misaka> Install the debian package that is on the CD, if it's on there ... that I can't answer offhand.
[02:55] <DeadStar> hmm i modified the sources.list so that i could take also from universe..but still isn't working for mc.. mc has support for amd54 procesors? May this be the problem?
[02:55] <r3d0xXuS``> in recovery?
[02:55] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS``, no
[02:55] <termite> but they said u cant but on every site it just says sudo dpkg -i .deb
[02:55] <Seveas> in a terminal when you boot up normally
[02:55] <termite> i want to know why my glib is not working
[02:55] <r3d0xXuS``> ah okay
[02:55] <termite> ;/
[02:55] <r3d0xXuS``> also logout and use login in a terminal?
[02:55] <termite> it says its not installed but i installed the c++ compiter via synaptic
[02:55] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS``, no, just open a terminal :)
[02:55] <r3d0xXuS``> k
[02:56] <Seveas> rightclick on the desktop and select new terminal
[02:56] <r3d0xXuS``> sudo ppoeconf ?
[02:56] <Seveas> yes
[02:56] <Seveas> ehm
[02:56] <Seveas> pppoeconf
[02:56] <LokeDK> How can I test my sound?
[02:56] <Seveas> 3 p's
[02:56] <termite> misaka - > i have this file
[02:56] <termite> vlc_0.8.1-1ubuntu7_i386.deb
[02:56] <Seveas> LokeDK, settings, preferences, sound
[02:57] <r3d0xXuS``> hmm
[02:57] <Seveas> tab sound events
[02:57] <r3d0xXuS``> nothing does it
[02:57] <LokeDK> thanks
[02:57] <Seveas> termite, sudo dpkg -i vlc_0.8.1-1ubuntu7_i386.deb
[02:57] <r3d0xXuS``> ah now
[02:57] <termite> Seveas : i have vlc_0.8.1-1ubuntu7_i386.deb...should i just run a dpkg -i on it?
[02:57] <Seveas> yes :)
[02:57] <termite> shweet
[02:57] <r3d0xXuS``> ok ill do
[02:58] <misaka> Seveas - Isn't that going to ask him to satisfy a bunch of dependancies?
[02:58] <Seveas> misaka, well, then he'll have to download these too...
[02:59] <termite> misaka are u referring to my question?
[02:59] <misaka> Seveas - Ugh. That's going to be fun. ;] 
[02:59] <misaka> termite - Yes.
[02:59] <termite> shit
[02:59] <termite> i dont have internet on my ubuntu machine ;/
[02:59] <termite> this is impossible
[02:59] <misaka> Which is why I was telling you to use synaptic, but without an Internet connection, it's going to be a pain.
[02:59] <misaka> termite - Give it an Internet connection. ;] 
[03:00] <termite> :o
[03:00] <termite> will try
[03:00] <misaka> termite - Or grab a single-CD Linux distribution that has vlc and all the other goodies on it.
[03:00] <misaka> Knoppix might, for example.
[03:00] <Seveas> termite, hang on
[03:00] <termite> ok ok
[03:00] <termite> plz help :>
[03:01] <termite> im using hoary btw.
[03:03] <r3d0xXuS> hahaha
[03:03] <r3d0xXuS> it works :D
[03:03] <r3d0xXuS> thanks Seavas
[03:03] <orhs> hey all! :) anyone know about a good packet sniffer for linux?
[03:03] <DeadStar> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/77
[03:04] <DeadStar> can somebody help me?
[03:04] <Seveas> termite, download this: http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/vlc.tar.gz unpack it and run dpkg -i *.deb
[03:04] <snuva> orhs, ettercap, ethereal etc etc
[03:04] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas thanks :D :D :D
[03:04] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, yw :)
[03:04] <r3d0xXuS> im in ubuntu connected :D
[03:04] <Seveas> have fun with ubuntu :)
[03:04] <r3d0xXuS> finally .D
[03:04] <termite> Seveas so u sure i wont need anything else?
[03:04] <Seveas> termite, i don't have vlc installed and used apt-get -d install vlc
[03:04] <r3d0xXuS> ehm one thing: Seveas: how i install icq ?!
[03:04] <Seveas> so i downloaded all packaged you need
[03:04] <Seveas> and put hem in that file :)
[03:04] <misaka> Seveas - You're a real trooper. ;] 
[03:05] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, use gaim for that
[03:05] <Seveas> applications -> internet -> gaim
[03:05] <r3d0xXuS> ah that
[03:05] <termite> thanks a lot Seveas
[03:05] <termite> hope it workz0rs
[03:05] <Seveas> DeadStar, run apt-get update
[03:05] <termite> hmm that site is a bit slow ....is there any other place hosting it?
[03:06] <Seveas> DeadStar, and OMG, that server was down for the last hour, i'm so glad you didn't try it earlier ;)
[03:06] <Seveas> termite, no, I only uploaded it there
[03:06] <DeadStar> :D
[03:06] <Seveas> and it's quite fast, but mod_bandwidth limits it a bit :)
[03:06] <r3d0xXuS> :o
[03:06] <termite> im getting 1.82 kb off it ;/
[03:07] <termite> can u put it on yousendit.com for me plz
[03:07] <Seveas> termite, that's not good
[03:07] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas: why is my graphiccard so slow for screensaver, coz i got gef6800 ?
[03:07] <Seveas> must be something else that causes the slowdown
[03:07] <termite> if u can
[03:07] <termite> its not myside
[03:07] <termite> yousendit.com should be quick
[03:07] <Seveas> termite, it is
[03:08] <Seveas> i get 200 K/s from ubuntulinux.nl
[03:08] <termite> can u chuck it there
[03:08] <termite> hmm
[03:08] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, geforce?
[03:08] <r3d0xXuS> yeah
[03:08] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:08] <Seveas> read that
[03:08] <termite> Seveas so vlc was not in synaptic?
[03:08] <Seveas> the default (open source) driver is terrible, you need the binary driver
[03:08] <Seveas> termite, it is
[03:09] <r3d0xXuS> ok ill do
[03:09] <termite> so i dont need to download it then
[03:09] <Seveas> but this file contains all dependencies too
[03:09] <termite> aha
[03:09] <Seveas> will save you some curses :)
[03:09] <termite> hehe
[03:09] <misaka> termite - Synaptic downloads from an Internet site ...
[03:09] <termite> oh........
[03:09] <termite> they should rather have put it on cds
[03:09] <Seveas> misaka, (ping!!)
[03:09] <misaka> termite - Either that or from the CD you have, but since vlc isn't on the cd, and you can't get onto the Internet, you have to find another way.
[03:09] <misaka> Seveas - *nod*
[03:09] <Seveas> never figured that he missed that point :)
[03:10] <misaka> termite - Right, but there's already way too much stuff on the CDs ... no room for lil' ol' vlc. ;] 
[03:10] <misaka> termite - Which is why I was suggesting maybe another live CD distribution that had it.
[03:10] <termite> vlc is the king
[03:10] <termite> >
[03:10] <t-e-o> how do I stop gdm from starting at boot?
[03:10] <misaka> Seveas - Ya, it was lurking in my mind there, finally got it out. ;] 
[03:10] <r3d0xXuS> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[03:10] <r3d0xXuS> ops
[03:10] <r3d0xXuS> wrong window :x
[03:11] <termite> or can u suggest another way where i can run xdiv/divx/mp3s
[03:11] <termite> *xvid.
[03:11] <misaka> termite - Nah, I like vlc, I don't think that the ubuntu CD has any movie players on it, offhand, but not sure.
[03:11] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, are you on intel or amd?
[03:11] <misaka> termite - They don't concentrate on that because to have a proper movie player means including a lot of packages.
[03:11] <termite> ok
[03:11] <misaka> termite - Doesn't let them include other, more important stuff.
[03:11] <r3d0xXuS> amd64
[03:11] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, ah
[03:12] <Seveas> install linux-amd64
[03:12] <r3d0xXuS> into terminal ?
[03:12] <Seveas> that'll drag in the most recent kernel and drivers
[03:12] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, do you run the 64bit version of Ubuntu?
[03:12] <r3d0xXuS> :/ screensaver its still lagging
[03:12] <r3d0xXuS> no
[03:12] <Seveas> ah ok
[03:12] <termite> w00t there is a 64 bit
[03:12] <r3d0xXuS> 32bit i think
[03:12] <Seveas> install linux-k7 then
[03:12] <r3d0xXuS> how? im nub at linux :X
[03:12] <r3d0xXuS> btw newbie
[03:13] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install linux-k7
[03:13] <Seveas> :)
[03:13] <r3d0xXuS> sudo aptitude install linux-k7
[03:13] <r3d0xXuS> k
[03:13] <r3d0xXuS> mom
[03:13] <Seveas> you need to restart X to see any effect from nvidia-glx-enable by the way ...
[03:13] <r3d0xXuS> ah ok
[03:13] <r3d0xXuS> ill restart now
[03:13] <termite> Seveas u uploading it?
[03:13] <Seveas> yes
[03:14] <termite> someone wants to kick me out of here ;
[03:14] <termite> ;/
[03:14] <Seveas> http://s36.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0A8TO46RIXSVJ3S3ELKDR0VNJQ
[03:14] <Seveas> it says that it couldn't send you a mail, but you can download it there
[03:14] <termite> okies
[03:15] <termite> thanks :>
[03:15] <Seveas> yw
[03:15] <termite> Seveas why do u use ubuntu as compared with other linux distros?
[03:16] <Seveas> termite, because it's the best
[03:17] <DeadStar> apt-get is very good and it's quite easier than Debian..
[03:17] <DeadStar> also it's good for laptops..
[03:17] <DeadStar> notebooks:D
[03:18] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas
[03:18] <DeadStar> Seveas, thanks for help i manage to install mc, and now i'm installing other applications..
[03:19] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas: how i can see that nvidia driver installed?
[03:19] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, run glxgears from a terminal
[03:19] <Seveas> and wait a few seconds
[03:19] <Seveas> it'll report the framerate it gets
[03:20] <r3d0xXuS> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[03:20] <r3d0xXuS> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[03:21] <Seveas> have you run nvidia-glx-enable?
[03:21] <r3d0xXuS> i dont know
[03:21] <r3d0xXuS> i used that sudo install this
[03:21] <r3d0xXuS> dunno what command
[03:21] <_kaz> is there some sort of photo album type software available for ubuntu?
[03:21] <tritium> _kaz, gphoto
[03:22] <Seveas> there are 2 sudo command
[03:22] <Seveas> commands*
[03:22] <Seveas> you need to run both
[03:22] <_kaz> tritium: thanks :] 
[03:22] <tritium> _kaz, gphoto2, actually
[03:22] <r3d0xXuS> gimme the link please
[03:22] <Seveas> https://test.wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:22] <Whistler> help i was adding pannels and pc freezed
[03:22] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, and also: you *must* have linux-k7 installed
[03:22] <Whistler> now there is no panels
[03:22] <Whistler> how can i enable them?
[03:23] <r3d0xXuS> that sudo -install linux-k7
[03:23] <Whistler> help me
[03:23] <Whistler> anybody plz
[03:23] <Seveas> sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[03:23] <Seveas> Whistler, no panels at all?
[03:23] <Whistler> nope
[03:23] <Whistler> none
[03:23] <Seveas> run the following from a terminal:
[03:23] <Seveas> gnome-panel &
[03:24] <Whistler> i have detected panels is already running so i will exit
[03:24] <Whistler> it gives me this error msg
[03:24] <r3d0xXuS> Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
[03:24] <r3d0xXuS> Abhngigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut... Fertig
[03:24] <r3d0xXuS> E: Konnte Paket linux-k7 nicht finden
[03:25] <Whistler> plz help me
[03:25] <Whistler> i am scared
[03:25] <r3d0xXuS> E: cannot package linux-k7 find
[03:25] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas
[03:25] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, try linux-amd64
[03:25] <r3d0xXuS> E: cannot package linux-k7 find
[03:25] <pfp> Whistler: logout+login usually takes care of that
[03:25] <r3d0xXuS> same
[03:25] <r3d0xXuS> E: cannot package linux-amd64 find
[03:26] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, hmm
[03:26] <Whistler> pfp it doesnt helped
[03:26] <Whistler> aaa
[03:26] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list on paste.ubuntulinux.nl please
[03:26] <tritium> r3d0xXuS, do you have "restricted" component enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[03:26] <Whistler> i typed gnome-panels off and pannels appeared
[03:27] <Seveas> Whistler, so you have your panels back now?
[03:28] <Whistler> fuck
[03:28] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/78
[03:28] <Whistler> not again
[03:28] <Whistler> bottom panels are working
[03:28] <Whistler> and headers not
[03:28] <Whistler> =[[
[03:28] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[03:28] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, and in a terminal type: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:28] <Seveas> remove *all* the text currently in that file
[03:29] <Seveas> and put the text you find at paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 there
[03:29] <goye2cz> Hey, got an ALSA firmware problem, synaptic tells me I have version 1.0.9-1, but the command "cat /proc/asound/version" tells me I have Version 1.0.6. help?
[03:29] <Seveas> then save the file, run sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[03:29] <goye2cz> I would rather have the later
[03:29] <goye2cz> release
[03:29] <r3d0xXuS> k
[03:30] <r3d0xXuS> wait wait wait
[03:30] <r3d0xXuS> i cant fast
[03:30] <r3d0xXuS> also
[03:30] <r3d0xXuS> that text in to source.list?
[03:30] <Seveas> yes
[03:30] <r3d0xXuS> ok wait
[03:31] <r3d0xXuS> ok saved
[03:31] <r3d0xXuS> what no
[03:31] <r3d0xXuS> now*
[03:31] <Seveas> then save the file, run sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[03:31] <r3d0xXuS> sudo apt-get update <- into terminal?
[03:32] <Eudoxus> I used Ubuntu to setup my printer. The correct driver is there. However, Only a small upper part of the test page comes out. And printing something else doesn't work. Seems that it is not getting through to the printer. Why?
[03:32] <Eudoxus> I get Parallel port busy... or somethign like that in the printer settings
[03:32] <_kaz> tritium: i was also looking for something more like gpc.sourceforge.net  a photo collection manager
[03:32] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas: sudo apt-get update <- into terminal?
[03:32] <flickerfly> When I type apt-get install mtx it can't find the mtx package. What am I missing?
[03:32] <_kaz> is there something better than that?
[03:32] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, yes
[03:33] <goye2cz> I'm coming up with alsa firmware Version 1.0.6 on my sytem. If I wanted to remove it, how would I go about that?
[03:33] <r3d0xXuS> ok updating
[03:33] <Seveas> flickerfly, you need to have universe enabled
[03:33] <r3d0xXuS> woohoo
[03:33] <r3d0xXuS> 353 KB/s :P
[03:33] <Seveas> nice :)
[03:34] <misaka> goye2cz - To start, alsa doesn't have a 'firmware' version ... just a version. :] 
[03:34] <flickerfly> Seveas: ? do you have a link with directions on that? I don't know what Universe is
[03:34] <tritium> _kaz, you might search through the output of "apt-cache search photo", then, and look for something that might suit your needs...
[03:35] <_kaz> this too http://directory.fsf.org/webauth/palbums/
[03:35] <misaka> goye2cz - And the other thing is that the package version, that you see with dpkg/synaptic, isn't necessarily the same as the kernel drivers version, that you see in /proc/asound/version.
[03:35] <goye2cz> misaka: all I know is that's included in the name of somethign I have to have.
[03:35] <misaka> At least, I don't think they're necessarily the same.
[03:35] <r3d0xXuS> okay is ready Seveas?
[03:35] <Seveas> flickerfly: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:35] <r3d0xXuS> should i write now: sudo apt-install linux-k7 ?
[03:35] <Seveas> yes
[03:35] <Seveas> again in the terminal :)
[03:35] <Eudoxus> Noone?
[03:35] <tritium> r3d0xXuS, apt-get install, not apt-install
[03:35] <r3d0xXuS> installing
[03:36] <r3d0xXuS> yahoow :o
[03:36] <r3d0xXuS>  sudo apt-get install linux-k7
[03:36] <r3d0xXuS> :P
[03:36] <flickerfly> Thanks Seveas!
[03:36] <misaka> goye2cz - I've got the same setup you describe, 1.0.6 in /proc/asound/version, and 1.0.8-4ubuntu4 for the package version.
[03:36] <r3d0xXuS> 60%
[03:36] <r3d0xXuS> yay :D
[03:36] <Seveas> flickerfly, for a ready-to-use sources.list go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[03:36] <r3d0xXuS> this installer compile the kernel into new cernel ?!
[03:36] <r3d0xXuS> kernel*
[03:37] <r3d0xXuS> reading database....
[03:37] <Seveas> it won't compile a thing
[03:37] <Seveas> the kernels are pre-compiled
[03:37] <r3d0xXuS> ok finnished
[03:37] <r3d0xXuS> what now ? :o
[03:37] <r3d0xXuS> reboot?
[03:37] <Seveas> ok, now you need to reboot, and when you reboot, choose the kernel 2.6.10-5-k7 line.
[03:37] <r3d0xXuS> ok
[03:38] <r3d0xXuS> brb
[03:40] <goye2cz> misaka: on the ardour channel someone came to the conclusion that my package of alsa-firmware didn't support the us-122.
[03:41] <littlezoper> i'm getting a bunch of messages in syslog that say only "localhost -- MARK --".  any idea what that means?
[03:42] <Seveas> littlezoper, you can ignore these
[03:42] <littlezoper> what do they mean?
[03:42] <AlwaysModest> when i boot into ubuntu i get an error message first thing that says "error failed to initialize hal"
[03:42] <littlezoper> i foudn those as I was trying to find out why my machine locked this morning...
[03:43] <Seveas> some driver reports that it's still running i guess
[03:43] <flickerfly> littlezoper: you have the syslog configure to mark the logs regularly. It is a feature of your logger that can be turned off if desired.
[03:43] <littlezoper> ack!
[03:43] <nJess> im having a hard time connecting to anything from ubuntu (things keep timing out) but i have no problems on my windows machine on the same network, why would that happen?
[03:43] <littlezoper> flickerfly: ok
[03:43] <Seveas> flickerfly, ah ok, so I was almost right :)
[03:43] <flickerfly> :-)
[03:43] <flickerfly> Seveas: it can be ignored
[03:44] <littlezoper> flickerfly and Seveas: good to know...thanks...
[03:44] <mindspin> flickerfly connecting how ? http ? smb? ftp?
[03:44] <nJess> like for instance, i can connect to some irc servers with ease, others time out repeatedly
[03:45] <mindspin> oops was nJess
[03:45] <nJess> things on the local network seem to be okay
[03:45] <nJess> its just the internet thats acting up
[03:45] <Seveas> nJess, is it only irc?
[03:46] <flickerfly> mindspin: ? what's connecting?
[03:46] <nJess> well, firefox seems to lag more than usual as well
[03:46] <Seveas> ok
[03:46] <Seveas> and mail?
[03:46] <__arty> hi, I'm using breezy, I can run openoffice2 as root but not as a normal user?? error is ...  openoffice
[03:46] <__arty> *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x080ddb00 ***
[03:46] <__arty> Aborted
[03:46] <nJess> i havn't used mail
[03:46] <aspr1> hi guys
[03:46] <Seveas> __arty, look at the topic: do not use breezy
[03:46] <mindspin> flickerfly sorry i meant nJess not you
[03:46] <aspr1> nuce to meet u all
[03:46] <Seveas> nJess, please try something else than irc and web too
[03:46] <aspr1> nice to meet u all
[03:46] <flickerfly> mindspin: :-) Ok
[03:47] <nJess> seveas, i don't really have anything to try....
[03:47] <Seveas> nJess, IRC lagging can be explained by not having an identd which currenyly most IRC servers require
[03:47] <Seveas> for Firefox there is possibly another cause:
[03:47] <Seveas> nJess: Open firefox and go to about:config. Now search for network.dns.disableIPV6 and set that value to true. Restart Firefox to see the effect.
[03:47] <nJess> ahh
[03:47] <nJess> well i can't connect to freenode
[03:48] <Seveas> nJess, you might as well disable ipv6 completely, you can find out how on wiki.ubuntu.com
[03:48] <orhs> hmm iam haveing problems installing a different splash screen..
[03:48] <zerokills> hey guys, i installed xfce, but it doesnt come up on the gdm list, any ideas?
[03:48] <r3d0xXuS> ok
[03:48] <r3d0xXuS> it works Seveas: Nvidia logo has been shown
[03:48] <Seveas> zerokills, have you installed the xfce4 metapackage through apt?
[03:49] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, neat!
[03:49] <nJess> seveas, im using warty...would that matter?
[03:49] <r3d0xXuS> ok :D
[03:49] <r3d0xXuS> thanks Seveas
[03:49] <zerokills> seveas: no, whats the package name?
[03:49] <Seveas> nJess, no it's the same on both in this case
[03:49] <Seveas> zerokills, xfce4
[03:49] <Seveas> :)
[03:49] <zerokills> :) thanks
[03:50] <xiaogil> is there a command line soft for IRC
[03:50] <Seveas> xiaogil, yes
[03:50] <Seveas> try irssi
[03:50] <_kaz> fwiw, digikam (for kde) just made this box a kubuntu convert :>
[03:50] <tritium> yes, irssi is nice :)
[03:51] <_kaz> but photo management is the most important function for the person who will use it.
[03:51] <aspr1> my cd's not yet received they stopped sending them??
[03:52] <aspr1> any idea??
[03:52] <Seveas> aspr1, no, but it takes some time for them to send the CD's
[03:52] <chrissturm> kaz: f-spot could make it a gnome convert again
[03:52] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas: do u know Steam for Half-Life games and stuff?
[03:52] <mindspin> yesterday someone mentioned something about waiting for five months ;-)
[03:52] <sweety> hai..
[03:52] <_kaz> i was checking out f-spot too...  KDE has much more eye-candy and seems more newbie friendly.
[03:53] <aspr1> ok
[03:53] <sweety> hai kaloz..
[03:53] <mindspin> kde rulez /me duck and cover
[03:53] <_kaz> this is for my computer illiterate aunt
[03:53] <nJess> hmm i should probably order some more CDs
[03:53] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, i don't play games that much, usually i stick to supertux :)
[03:53] <Seveas> mindspin, that means he has ordered them before the release
[03:54] <r3d0xXuS> hehe
[03:54] <_kaz> I just wonder if there are any serious CONs to using kubuntu over ubuntu?
[03:54] <Seveas> they started sending CDs in may
[03:54] <Seveas> so they have quite a backlog to catch up to
[03:54] <misaka> goye2cz - Sorry, I'm not sure how to update/change the alsa firmware package, I don't see it listed in ubuntu. Maybe it's a part of another package?
[03:54] <mindspin> kaz personal taste?
[03:54] <Seveas> _kaz, yes
[03:54] <_kaz> slower security patch availability or anything?
[03:54] <Seveas> kde sucks :)
[03:54] <chrissturm> hehe
[03:54] <r3d0xXuS> hehe
[03:54] <_kaz> lol
[03:54] <Seveas> but technical reasons: no
[03:54] <_kaz> I like gnome
[03:55] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas: where can i install mp3 decode for my mp3 player
[03:55] <Seveas> except that gnome is the default for ubuntu and most devs concentrate on gnome
[03:55] <Seveas> kubuntu is mainly community work
[03:55] <Riddell> _kaz: kubuntu has the same security procedures as ubuntu (since they are the same distro)
[03:55] <_kaz> but I just took windows away from my aunt because she can't refrain from opening dancing-bears.exe every time one of her friends worms sends her something.
[03:55] <termite> lol
[03:55] <_kaz> so I have to keep things as simple as possible for her.
[03:55] <Seveas> oh and another reason not tu use kubunut: every time you say KDE in here, Riddell pops up :)))
[03:56] <mindspin> kde
[03:56] <nJess> i took windows away from my mom once
[03:56] <nJess> but she punched me in the head
[03:56] <Seveas> _kaz, simple [03:56] <NicP> lol
[03:56] <termite> windows its easy
[03:56] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas: where is the XMMS mp3 player at ubuntu?
[03:56] <NicP> no its not
[03:56] <goye2cz> misaka: I'm fast finding out that I really need a release more geared to multi-media, audio specifically.
[03:56] <termite> ubuntu has taken me the greater part of today to install something
[03:56] <NicP> os x is easy
[03:56] <NicP> windows is not
[03:56] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, aptitude install beep-media-player
[03:56] <termite> a simple vlc program
[03:56] <Seveas> beep is a gtk2 (and thus better looking) port of xmms
[03:56] <misaka> goye2cz - If you're running Linux to do audio stuff, I'd agree.
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> E: /home/redoxxus/.aptitude/config - %s konnte nicht zum schreiben geffnet werden (13 Keine Berechtigung)
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> Abhngigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> Lese erweiterte Statusinformationen
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> Initialisiere Paketstatus... Fertig
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> E: Konnte Lockdatei /var/lib/dpkg/lock nicht ffnen - open (13 Keine Berechtigung)
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[03:57] <_kaz> I think in a lot of cases we could swap people out with ubuntu/kubuntu & just tell them "its the new windows upgrade" :P
[03:57] <mindspin> is there #wm-bashing ?
[03:57] <_kaz> and they would believe.
[03:57] <goye2cz> misaka: I'm getting recommended to use FC CCRMA
[03:57] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, do NOT paste in here....
[03:57] <NicP> lol
[03:57] <misaka> _kaz - Give her Mozilla in kiosk-mode.
[03:57] <Seveas> and use sudo :)
[03:57] <misaka> _kaz - Should be good enough. ;] 
[03:57] <_kaz> haha
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> ah ok lol
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> also sudo aptitude install beep-media-player?
[03:57] <mindspin> and most ppl here dont understand gerrrmann
[03:57] <r3d0xXuS> hrhr
[03:58] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, when you start beep, first go to the preferences and change the output plugin to esound
[03:58] <Seveas> otherwise it won't do nothing :)
[03:58] <r3d0xXuS> k its installed
[03:58] <termite> thankz Seveas
[03:58] <termite> just grabbed the vlc
[03:58] <termite> gonna try it now
[03:58] <nJess> i have a question
[03:58] <termite> *excited*
[03:58] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, download this too: http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/4Humans.tgz
[03:58] <nJess> would i have better luck with a newer version of ubuntu working on my amd64 laptop?
[03:59] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, and put that in /home/YOURNAME/.bmp/Skins
[03:59] <nJess> i tried warthog but it took ages to boot up
[03:59] <r3d0xXuS> yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaah :o
[03:59] <nJess> and never actually worked
[03:59] <r3d0xXuS> it rox
[03:59] <Seveas> it's an Ubuntu skin for beep :)
[03:59] <bigfoot1> hi everyone. A question from a newbie about streaming media. I can play them (audio; audio/video) fine inside firefox with mplayer plugin. But what bothers me is the inability to control playback. I would like to be able to fastforward or rewind to a certain point. How can i do this? THank you.
[03:59] <termite> since ubuntu is meant to be more user friendly they should have at least put xvid/divx support
[03:59] <chrissturm> njess: hoary is much better for notebooks
[03:59] <Seveas> nJess, for amd64 you'd better go to hoary
[03:59] <mindspin> 64 machines rock as far as I can see ;-)
[03:59] <Seveas> and definitely for notebooks
[03:59] <nJess> okay
[03:59] <r3d0xXuS> where to that
[03:59] <r3d0xXuS> k
[03:59] <Seveas> bigfoot1, ENOWAY
[04:00] <nJess> because the installer for warthog caused my laptop to have a thermal shutdown
[04:00] <bigfoot1> what's enoway? is that a typo for "no way"?
[04:00] <Seveas> nJess, really try hoary then
[04:00] <r3d0xXuS> there isnt /.bmp/skins
[04:00] <bigfoot1> Seveas,...?
[04:00] <Seveas> it did the same for mine :)
[04:00] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas: it says only /home/myname/
[04:00] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, /home/YOURNAME/.bmp/Skins
[04:00] <nJess> there we go
[04:00] <r3d0xXuS> there is no .bmp/skins
[04:00] <nJess> 80 dics
[04:00] <nJess> discs*
[04:00] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, not in nautilus ;)(
[04:00] <termite> what does the -i do when u dpkg
[04:00] <Seveas> but in the terminal there is
[04:01] <Choubaka> termite: installs :P
[04:01] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, save it to your homedir
[04:01] <r3d0xXuS> lol
[04:01] <r3d0xXuS> how :o
[04:01] <r3d0xXuS> im newbie:x
[04:01] <nJess> r3d0xXuS, check that box to view hidden folders
[04:01] <nJess> yes?
[04:01] <termite> :p
[04:01] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, and in a terminal type: ~/4Humans.tgz ~/.bmp/Skins/
[04:01] <Choubaka> termite: foo.
[04:01] <misaka> termite - Try 'man dpkg'.
[04:01] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, you do know how to save a file with firefox i suppose?
[04:01] <Choubaka> termite: I told you what it does, and I get a slap in the face.
[04:01] <Choubaka> I demand more. respect.
[04:01] <termite> :>
[04:01] <r3d0xXuS> sure lol
[04:01] <termite> i give u
[04:01] <termite> respeck
[04:01] <termite> if u fix this ubuntu
[04:01] <termite> for me
[04:02] <termite> and make it play my pr0no
[04:02] <Seveas> termite: Please keep the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[04:02] <termite> :<
[04:02] <Choubaka> Ok. How have you broken it? :P
[04:02] <r3d0xXuS> bash: /home/redoxxus/Desktop/4Humans.tgz: Access denied
[04:02] <termite> oooi i didnt break code of conduct :>
[04:02] <gahan> why cant i turn off ro shutdown computer from gnome or even gdm?
[04:03] <termite> ok time to try vlc
[04:03] <termite> bbl
[04:03] <gahan> i can only logout and login
[04:03] <Seveas> gahan, dunno, what did you do just before it stopped working?
[04:03] <r3d0xXuS> tried with sudo
[04:03] <r3d0xXuS> same
[04:03] <r3d0xXuS> -.-
[04:03] <gahan> Seveas: i dont exactly remember :|
[04:03] <Seveas> gahan, so you start gnome with startx or does it run on bootup?
[04:03] <gahan> i havent edited menu so far, is there menu editor?
[04:03] <gahan> it starts with gdm
[04:04] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, open a terminal and type this:
[04:04] <Seveas> cd ~/.bmp/Skins
[04:04] <Seveas> wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/4Humans.tgz
[04:04] <yahalom> anyone here switched from fc4 to ubuntu?
[04:04] <r3d0xXuS> ok im tin
[04:04] <r3d0xXuS> Data not found
[04:05] <Seveas> make sure you have capitalization right
[04:05] <r3d0xXuS> yeah
[04:05] <r1k0> hi, I would like to disintall gnome in ubuntu how can I do that  ? thx by advance
[04:05] <Seveas> r1k0, raptitude remove gnome-desktop-environment
[04:05] <bigfoot1> Seveas, please tell me more about "enoway"
[04:05] <bretzel> Hi - Question: Why is that gnome-panel don't show KDE notify icons anymore ? I remember it was working in hoary array-cd 5 ...
[04:06] <Seveas> r1k0, and use debfoster to clean up the bits it leaves behind
[04:06] <r1k0> Seveas, thank you very much for your answer :)
[04:06] <r3d0xXuS> i wrote first: cd ~/.bmp/Skins
[04:06] <Seveas> bigbootay, it means: can't be done
[04:06] <r3d0xXuS> then it come a prompt:
[04:06] <r3d0xXuS> Myname@myhost:~/.bmp/Skins$
[04:06] <r3d0xXuS> then i wrote
[04:06] <bigfoot1> Seveas, where can i get enoway? apparently, it's not in synaptic. thank you.
[04:06] <Seveas> bigfoot1, lol :)
[04:06] <r3d0xXuS> wget http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/4Humans.tgz
[04:07] <Seveas> ENOWAY is a geeky way of sayin that things aren't possible
[04:07] <r1k0> ok now I need to buy a pcmcia ethernet card but I dont know which one to buy, can someone recommend me one ?? ithought about a fa511 from netgear but iam not sure, thx
[04:07] <bigfoot1> Seveas, oh, i see. um, i have an idea, please let me know what you think of this idea: I'll stream the file as usual (mplayer plugin in firefox) and I'll record it somehow with another audio program. What do you think?
[04:08] <bigfoot1> Seveas, you ever done something like that?
[04:08] <Seveas> not on linux...
[04:09] <bigfoot1> seveas, you mean you haven't done it on linux, but it's possible and a good idea?
[04:09] <Seveas> bigbootay, i don't know whether it's possible
[04:09] <Seveas> bigfoot1*
[04:09] <gfxstyler> he
[04:09] <gfxstyler> hey
[04:09] <gfxstyler> whats up?
[04:09] <r3d0xXuS> Oo
[04:10] <r3d0xXuS> yo whatz up :)
[04:10] <bigfoot1> okay, Seveas. 8-)
[04:10] <bigfoot1> Seveas, but is there a program that can record what ever is outputted ?
[04:10] <gfxstyler> can someone help me with my cam? its a very small problem i guess because i may know already whats wrong
[04:10] <Seveas> ENOIDEA
[04:11] <Seveas> (a geeky way of saying: i don't know)
[04:11] <misaka> bigfoot - Why not just grab the URL and play it with another media player?
[04:11] <misaka> bigfoot - Like, vlc, xmms, etc?
[04:11] <bigfoot1> misaka, coz I don't think these other media players will allow me to control playback?
[04:11] <bigfoot1> .
[04:11] <bigfoot1> would they?
[04:11] <misaka> bigfoot - Sure they will.
[04:11] <bigfoot1> okay, misaka, let me try. thank you.
[04:12] <misaka> bigfoot - mplayer is just a bit scarce with the controls, it even has some keyboard commands that might help you out.
[04:12] <geko> hi guys
[04:12] <geko> can i ceck win files form ubuntu?
[04:12] <misaka> bigfoot - But, the best way is to just grab a player that has better GUI controls.
[04:12] <geko> i mean with a partition with win on hd?
[04:12] <bigfoot1> misaka, ok. i have vlc, xmms, totem, music player. hmmm. which should i try first, i wonder. 8-)
[04:12] <Seveas> geko, download http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/windows_fstab and run that with sudo sh windows_fstab
[04:13] <gfxstyler> i plugin the cam and then the console says (new fullspeed usb blabla at address 10), its recognized as (usb spca5xx camera found blabla)... so i guess it should work (because with gentoo it worked too) ... anyway, /dev/video0 is empty, and gnomemeeting does not scan the cam, so whats wrong?
[04:13] <misaka> bigfoot - Depends on the media ... but vlc is a good bet.
[04:14] <bigfoot1> misaka, it's a windows media file ending with .wax extension. heard of it?
[04:14] <misaka> or, NAK, as Seveas might say. ;] 
[04:14] <bigfoot1> nope?
[04:15] <misaka> bigfoot - If no other media player reads it, try gmplayer ... a version of mplayer with a gui.
[04:15] <Seveas> misaka, evil one :)
[04:16] <misaka> Seveas - Yes, a little evil, but it'll still get the job done! ;] 
[04:16] <Xabbu|> Hm I have some problem with my gnomebaker. I can't burn any cd. It just say it failed the burning.
[04:16] <Seveas> as satan once said (Southpark the movie): Without evil there would be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes :)
[04:17] <gfxstyler> ok guys got it working without your help
[04:17] <misaka> gfxstyler - Cool, congr... uh, nm.
[04:18] <misaka> Eesh, some people can be so impatient.
[04:18] <Seveas> :)
[04:18] <bigfoot1> gmplayer scares me, misaka . 8-)
[04:19] <misaka> bigfoot - Can't blame you ... which is why I suggested it last. ;] 
[04:19] <bigfoot1> misaka, the .wax streaming file works in VLC with playback control! yippee.
[04:19] <misaka> vlc rocks teh str34mz
[04:20] <lesshaste> There is some process that is beeping every 20 minutes or so. Is there something cunning I can run to see what it is?
[04:20] <misaka> lesshaste - Try going to your vt1 ... er, ctrl-alt-1 I think it is, or maybe c-a-f1.
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[04:21] <misaka> My fingers know the answer to that one, but I'm not in front of my linoox box.
[04:21] <lesshaste> misaka, and then?
[04:21] <misaka> lesshaste - Look for anything particularly interesting, wait 20 mins to see if anything pops up with the beek.
[04:22] <misaka> lesshaste - That's your console, if there are system errors they could show up there.
[04:22] <misaka> But, it's a shot in the dark ... I don't really know what'd be causing beeping, I probably would've just wiped the disk if that happened to me and I didn't know what it was.
[04:23] <lesshaste> misaka, drastic :)
[04:23] <misaka> Kind of like the first time I saw the goetse man ... had to reintsall to make sure he was properly gone.
[04:23] <lesshaste> presumably to beep it must be accessing /dev/something?
[04:23] <misaka> lesshaste - Not necessarily ... sending ^G to a terminal can cause a beep, not sure if that requires a special access to /dev/something.
[04:24] <lesshaste> ah ok
[04:24] <misaka> lesshaste - I assume this is a PC-speaker beep, not a soundcard beep?
[04:24] <lesshaste> yes.. pc speaker
[04:24] <Seveas> misaka, lol
[04:24] <misaka> I'd check for system errors first then. Oh, a-f7 to get back to your X11 terminal from the text console. ;] 
[04:25] <lesshaste> no errors
[04:26] <misaka> lesshaste - Nothing special in /var/log/kern.log ?
[04:26] <timmy__> ok quick question, when i try and install the java plugin for mozilla firefox its all gd until its asks if i want to continue, at which point regardless of me selection [y]  it aborts. Why is this?
[04:27] <timmy__> peeps?
[04:27] <misaka> Now there's a wide-open question.
[04:27] <timmy__> ok quick question, when i try and install the java plugin for mozilla firefox its all gd until its asks if i want to continue, at which point regardless of me selection [y]  it aborts. Why is this?
[04:27] <lesshaste>  only an mrtg cron job
[04:27] <{Seb}> exit
[04:28] <lesshaste> which runs every 5 minutes, and that has no reason or way to beep
[04:28] <misaka> timmy - Probably 'cuz there's a bug in the installer ... ? Random guess there. ;] 
[04:28] <lesshaste> misaka, you mean /var/log/messages ?
[04:28] <timmy__> hmmm, i just type the sudo command into the terminal
[04:28] <timmy__> can i do it any other way>
[04:28] <misaka> lesshaste - I meant kern.log, but check as many log files as you care to.
[04:28] <timmy__> ?
[04:29] <lesshaste> misaka, I don't have kern.log
[04:29] <moparfan90> hello. i just installed ubuntu and am getting alot of errors can some one help fix this?
[04:29] <timmy__> what kind of errors?
[04:29] <timmy__> ~
[04:30] <caonex> i have an athlon thunderbird which mplayer package should i install?
[04:30] <timmy__> nv
[04:30] <_kaz> can you run kde apps (like digikam) under gnome?
[04:30] <Seveas> _kaz, yes
[04:30] <timmy__> you people are shit
[04:30] <timmy__> eat shit and die
[04:30] <moparfan90>  well when i boot up my computer i get alot of errors but they go away to fast for me to read and when the desktop loads it says error: failed to initalize HAL!
[04:31] <NicP> lol
[04:31] <goofyheadedpunk> timmy__: Bad day?
[04:31] <_kaz> seveas: just apt-get install digikam  and it will work?
[04:31] <Seveas> if the package is available in the repositories: yes
[04:32] <_kaz> the K-everything theme konquerer/kmail/kgaim as default would take some time to get used to.
[04:32] <_kaz> (or replace) ;)
[04:33] <hunger> Hiho! Is there a repository with non-security updates to hoary?
[04:33] <_kaz> but this digikam looks slick.
[04:33] <Seveas> hunger, there is hoary-updates
[04:34] <Seveas> but that features only updates that fix severe bugs...
[04:34] <r3d0xXuS> Do anyone play Steam like Half-Life or Counter-Strike on Ubuntu?
[04:34] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas
[04:35] <Seveas> i don't :)
[04:35] <r3d0xXuS> my buddy said: i can play steam on cadange or winex4
[04:35] <r3d0xXuS> what this both program
[04:35] <Seveas> cedega / winex you mean
[04:35] <r3d0xXuS> yeah
[04:35] <eruin> it's on http://transgaming.com
[04:35] <Seveas> if he knows that it's possible ask him for help on installing it
[04:35] <eruin> non-free
[04:35] <eruin> and it does work fine
[04:35] <Seveas> it's not in the repositories, and i have no experience with it
[04:35] <r3d0xXuS> for ubuntu?
[04:36] <r3d0xXuS> hmm k
[04:36] <r3d0xXuS> ill ask my buddy
[04:36] <Efwis> r3d0xXuS, I looked into it I know its $5 USD a month to use that system
[04:37] <bigfoot1> regarding audio quality, what does lossy and lossless and compatible mean? These are terminology in "sound recorder."
[04:37] <Seveas> lossy = tings like mp3, you loose quality
[04:37] <dabi> is there a way to change xscreen lock image?
[04:38] <Seveas> lossless = things like flac, no qualityloss but considerably larger files than with mp3
[04:38] <Seveas> dabi, not an easy way, you will have to change the sourcecode
[04:38] <bigfoot1> what about "compatible"?
[04:38] <NicP> lossy = jpeg, lossless = png
[04:38] <NicP> :D
[04:38] <dabi> Seveas, only way?
[04:39] <bigfoot1> nicP, about jpeg, is it true that everytime you open a jpg file, its quality diminishes?
[04:39] <hardcampa-> lol no
[04:39] <NicP> lol
[04:39] <Seveas> dabi, yes
[04:39] <NicP> thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard
[04:39] <hardcampa-> what a moronic statement
[04:39] <Seveas> bigbootay, every time you edit & save it
[04:39] <Seveas> bigfoot1*
[04:39] <Seveas> not every time you open it
[04:39] <hardcampa-> internet would look pretty ugly in that case
[04:39] <hardcampa-> lol
[04:39] <r3d0xXuS> omg nonfree -.-
[04:40] <r3d0xXuS> hate it
[04:40] <r3d0xXuS> ..
[04:40] <r3d0xXuS> linux = free but some programms = nonfree
[04:40] <r3d0xXuS> i hate that
[04:40] <hardcampa-> ehm.. so what
[04:40] <bigfoot1> hardcampa-, i thought that jpgs were like oldfashioned audio or video tapes. They risk losing quality during playback. But now my worry's gone, thanks to you all. 8-)
[04:40] <hardcampa-> heh
[04:40] <bigfoot1> so what does compatible mean, in terms of audio recording ?
[04:41] <Efwis> r3d0xXuS, I know, in order to use my modem as a fax I need to either buy a new modem or pay $15 to linuxant to get the driver
[04:41] <hardcampa-> bigfoot1 as someone said. Whenever you save a jpg in a quality that's not 100% you loose some quality. Most apps save jpegs at qualitys below 100%
[04:41] <bigfoot1> png is just gif's new name right?
[04:41] <Seveas> bigfoot1, rofl!
[04:41] <Seveas> no, not at all
[04:41] <misaka> bigfoot - Er, no ...
[04:41] <bob2> bigfoot1: no, not at all
[04:41] <Seveas> png is a completely different format
[04:41] <misaka> bigfoot - What *have* you been reading? ;] 
[04:41] <bob2> bigfoot1: it's an entirely new and better format
[04:41] <Seveas> quite superior :)
[04:41] <NicP> lol
[04:41] <bigfoot1> i must have misread that somewhere.
[04:41] <Lincx> Gahh i need some themes lol
[04:42] <r3d0xXuS> gmm
[04:42] <r3d0xXuS> hmmmmmmmmmmmm
[04:42] <bigfoot1> or maybe i was in my sleepy state.
[04:42] <r3d0xXuS> ok well ill do linux as workstation and windows as my game O/S
[04:42] <r3d0xXuS> :>
[04:42] <Efwis> bigfoot1, png is comparable, but better to JPEG
[04:42] <Seveas> Efwis, not really
[04:42] <hardcampa-> Efwis that is totally dependant upon what you want to use the image for
[04:42] <Seveas> png is lossless
[04:42] <Seveas> jpeg lossy
[04:42] <misaka> bigfoot - If you dumb it down a whole lot, you could say png is the new gif, but only as an analogy.
[04:42] <Simira> can I use kde apps in Gnome?
[04:42] <Efwis> true, I forgot about that
[04:43] <Seveas> Simira, sure :)
[04:43] <NicP> Simira, course you can, you just need the right dependancys
[04:43] <JohnMurdoch> Simira, yes, but don't be surprised when the fonts look oversized. :)
[04:43] <dabi> where should i start to find why i cant see my battery state?
[04:43] <hardcampa-> For web images & transfer speeds nothing beats jpg
[04:43] <Seveas> dabi, does /proc/acpi/battery exist?
[04:43] <Efwis> thats what I do r3d0xXuS
[04:43] <bigfoot1> i plan on recording an audio in the highest quality, namely CD lossless. after saving, is it possible to experiment with lesser qualities... to see if not much quality has been lost?
[04:44] <orhs> How do i make my own login manager (like the once you can find at art.gnome.com)
[04:44] <Seveas> bigfoot1, yes
[04:44] <orhs> ?
[04:44] <ag_the_king> is it better than windows?
[04:44] <Seveas> orhs, you mean login manager *theme*
[04:44] <bigfoot1> but audio recorder can't change qualities, seveas?
[04:44] <r3d0xXuS> hehe efwis :D
[04:44] <orhs> seveas, yes
[04:44] <r3d0xXuS> efwis do u know teamspeak?
[04:44] <Seveas> bigfoot1, but you can transcode existing files to different formats
[04:44] <Seveas> orhs, look at art.gnome.org/faq.php
[04:44] <dabi> Seveas: yes..
[04:45] <Efwis> r3d0xXuS, no I don't
[04:45] <bigfoot1> Seveas, transcode means going to terminal?
[04:45] <r3d0xXuS> damn
[04:45] <r3d0xXuS> i got .bz2 file
[04:45] <r3d0xXuS> i want install that
[04:45] <bigfoot1> is there a gui program for transcoding, seveas?
[04:45] <r3d0xXuS> whats the command?
[04:45] <Seveas> dabi, look at all files in /proc/acpi/battery
[04:45] <r3d0xXuS> sudo apt-get install filename.bz2 ?
[04:45] <maxy_noob> hi guys!
[04:45] <bigfoot1> hi maxy_noob !
[04:45] <Seveas> bigfoot1, i guess there is, i just don't know it
[04:45] <dabi> Seveas: empty
[04:45] <r3d0xXuS> Seveas ?!
[04:45] <Seveas> r3d0xXuS, tar jxvf filename.bz2
[04:46] <Seveas> that'll extract it
[04:46] <maxy_noob> Was wondering if someone can help me change grub default?
[04:46] <r3d0xXuS> jxvf ?!
[04:46] <r3d0xXuS> k
[04:46] <r3d0xXuS> lol
[04:46] <Seveas> look for README and INSTALL files
[04:46] <bigfoot1> okay. thank you all for the education !
[04:46] <r3d0xXuS> there isnt readme
[04:46] <Seveas> yes, jxvf :)
[04:46] <Seveas> j = bzip2 x = extract v = verbose f = use the file i specify
[04:46] <r3d0xXuS> ah k
[04:46] <Seveas> maxy_noob, sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:46] <Seveas> there's a line that says default 0
[04:47] <Seveas> change that :)
[04:47] <maxy_noob> Seveas, thanks man. I'll check it out
[04:47] <ilba7r> i have a problem with xpdf when i open the files i have empty lines that occured after i had update any suggestions
[04:47] <Seveas> dabi, that means acpi is not completely functional on your machine
[04:47] <Seveas> so you cannot check it
[04:47] <Seveas> ilba7r, try evince and see if it happens in evince too
[04:47] <dabi> hmm windows can... :P f* it.. i wont let M$ beat me..
[04:48] <ilba7r> evince is a program? ok
[04:48] <maxy_noob> Seveas, an empty text editor window popped up
[04:48] <Seveas> ilba7r, yes
[04:48] <r3d0xXuS> oeh?! where its installed?
[04:48] <Seveas> maxy_noob, sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:48] <Seveas> maxy_noob, make sure you made no spelling mistakes
[04:48] <ag_the_king> dous anyone like me? I feal so.. so ... so ignored
[04:48] <maxy_noob> k
[04:48] <Seveas> ag_the_king, lol :)
[04:48] <Lincx> lol
[04:48] <sjs1> i dont write good englis... can some tell me a good ftp server for ubuntu?
[04:48] <Seveas> ag_the_king, what was your question?
[04:49] <Seveas> sjs1, vsftpd / pureftpd
[04:49] <maxy_noob> Seveas, ok. Now?
[04:49] <sjs1> i have install vsftpd
[04:49] <ilba7r> seveas same problem
[04:49] <Seveas> maxy_noob, still open?
[04:49] <ag_the_king> Seveas: I dont know.. Is ubuntu the best operating system?
[04:49] <Seveas> ag_the_king, it depends on your needs :)
[04:49] <maxy_noob> yes, with info this time.
[04:49] <maxy_noob> it's the right file
[04:49] <ilba7r> i have kubuntu too i can see the files with kghostview but the colours are messed up
[04:50] <Seveas> maxy_noob, ok, look for a line that starts with default
[04:50] <ag_the_king> Seveas: I wana surf porno sites
[04:50] <Seveas> and change that line to what you want
[04:50] <sjs1> adress to : "how too vsftpd"
[04:50] <maxy_noob> default grub root device?
[04:50] <Seveas> ag_the_king, ah, you must use windows then for the .wmv clips :)
[04:50] <Seveas> maxy_noob, no
[04:50] <maxy_noob> :(
[04:50] <Seveas> maxy_noob, line 12
[04:50] <Seveas> it says default     0
[04:51] <Seveas> change that to what ou need
[04:51] <maxy_noob> oh, there it is
[04:51] <ag_the_king> Seveas: Just kidding :) Is it good as a server?
[04:51] <maxy_noob> yes
[04:51] <Seveas> sjs1, aptitude install vsftpd and browse through man vsftpd and /usr/share/doc/vsftpd
[04:51] <Seveas> ag_the_king, excellent
[04:52] <maxy_noob> Seveas, I guess I change it to 3 if I want the fourth item?
[04:52] <Seveas> ag_the_king, it's secure, patches come fast after leaks are discovered, easily updatable and all types of servers come in the repositories
[04:52] <Seveas> maxy_noob, indeed
[04:53] <maxy_noob> you rock, dude! thanks@!
[04:53] <infralite> after i install ubuntu, the kernel gives an error and dumps registers, and it goes so fast that i can't see what's wrong. it does that in the recovery mode too. what to do?
[04:54] <r3d0xXuS> ok i switch Winxp :o
[04:54] <orhs> anyone got some good tuts for programming in python??
[04:55] <Seveas> aptitude install diveintopython :)
[04:55] <Wings> just decompile bittorrent and copy it
[04:55] <LaurenceRowe> Any emacs users here? I want to make middle click in emacs paste the x selection instead of the emacs only kill buffer. any idea how to get this to work
[04:56] <Efwis> I got a kinda technical question, is there a way to free the memory usage up other then a complete restart?
[04:57] <bob2> LaurenceRowe: it does paste the X selection here
[04:57] <JohnMurdoch> Efwis, stop services/apps you're not using
[04:57] <infralite> no one kow anything about my issue?
[04:57] <infralite> *know
[04:57] <Seveas> infralite, not without more info (like the exact error...)
[04:58] <LaurenceRowe> bob2: it does for me too at first, but as soon as I kill an area with the scissors button on the button bar, it ignores the x selection
[04:58] <infralite> Seveas: that's the problem actually, it flys past and i can't see it
[04:58] <thenuke> Efwis: Most likely you are just worried because Linux uses your memory effectively ;)
[04:58] <Seveas> infralite, and what happens after that?
[04:58] <moparfan91> when you click minamise. how do you reopen the window???
[04:58] <infralite> Seveas: it just stops booting
[04:58] <bob2> LaurenceRowe: well, it overwrites the X selection, right?
[04:58] <Efwis> the only reason I'm asking, is in windows I have a program that releases unused memory. usually I end up with about 23% used after I run the program
[04:58] <Seveas> infralite, so then you can write down the error I guess
[04:58] <infralite> Seveas: i wish i could read an error log or something
[04:59] <wizzard> hi ppl, can anybody help me with Radeon in Kubuntu?
[04:59] <wizzard> need to install fglrx driver
[04:59] <Seveas> wizzard: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:59] <wizzard> thx
[04:59] <infralite> Seveas: it dumps the memory so the error leaves the screen, it's way behind
[04:59] <rodolfo> */join
[04:59] <bob2> Efwis: the kernel does that in linux
[04:59] <Efwis> kk
[05:00] <moparfan91> when you click minamize. how do you reopen the window???
[05:00] <Seveas> moparfan90, click on the programs button in the taskbar...
[05:00] <macarthy> Is there a firewall installed by default in ubuntu?
[05:00] <ckb> join #vfp
[05:00] <ckb> macarthy, "yes"
[05:00] <xoz> moparfan91: try right-clivk
[05:00] <ag_the_king> Seveas: Sound good :)
[05:01] <macarthy> ckb, is there a UI installed by default?
[05:01] <Seveas> macarthy, no
[05:01] <macarthy> UI to the firewall
[05:01] <ys76_work> macarthy, No, there is no need for a firewall
[05:01] <Seveas> but try firestarter
[05:01] <rodolfo> hola
[05:01] <rodolfo> espaol
[05:01] <bob2> ckb: no, there is no firewall installed by default
[05:01] <ag_the_king> Seveas: Dous it have a preinstaled fridge?
[05:01] <Seveas> rodolfo, #ubuntu-es
[05:01] <ckb> macarthy, the default Ubuntu is "no open ports" or what you would get with servers and a firewall blocking the servers
[05:01] <moparfan91> i dont see a programs botton????
[05:01] <bob2> moparfan91: click o nthe window name i nthe bottom panel
[05:01] <moparfan91> it ot there
[05:01] <Seveas> ag_the_king, no, but check out udu.wiki.ubuntu.com for info about TheFridge :)
[05:02] <macarthy> confused..
[05:02] <macarthy> ok, if I install vnc for example I don't need to worry about firewalls
[05:02] <bob2> macarthy: no, there is no firewall installed by default
[05:02] <Seveas> macarthy, in short: you do not need a firewall on ubuntu if you don't unstall servers
[05:02] <bob2> macarthy: but there is no need for one, either
[05:02] <Seveas> and vnc is installed by default :)
[05:03] <Seveas> macarthy, system->preferences->remote desktop
[05:03] <macarthy> vino and it doesn't work
[05:03] <Seveas> (for vnc)
[05:03] <macarthy> Segmantation fault
[05:03] <Seveas> works fine here
[05:03] <ckb> Seveas, and if you did install a server, why would you want a firewall?
[05:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> gday mez
[05:03] <macarthy> amd64
[05:03] <Seveas> ckb, I wouldn't want one
[05:03] <Seveas> I would rather have a real firewall filtering suspicious things
[05:04] <ckb> Seveas, what "things" ?
[05:04] <Seveas> which is what I do on my servers
[05:04] <Seveas> things like a firewall that recognizes dos attacks and other lameness
[05:04] <ckb> Seveas, you could block people from accessing the server, but then what is the point of having a server?
[05:04] <Seveas> :)
[05:04] <misaka> ckb - You could also control, at a lower level, who had access to ports.
[05:05] <Seveas> generally you want *some* people to have access to your server
[05:05] <Seveas> not everyone
[05:05] <misaka> firewalls aren't just on/off.
[05:06] <macarthy> i've installed vncserver , ran it  " New 'X' desktop is mandelbrot:2"  when I try to connect locally I get vncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: Connection refused
[05:06] <infralite> is there any difference between the installation of ubuntu and debian?
[05:06] <macarthy> any ideas?
[05:06] <Seveas> well, how do you connect?
[05:06] <Seveas> vncviewer localhost:2
[05:06] <Seveas> ?
[05:06] <macarthy> yeap
[05:07] <ckb> macarthy, I think vnc+localhost is disabled by default
[05:07] <Seveas> yeah
[05:07] <macarthy> ckd, disabled?
[05:07] <infralite> it is
[05:08] <ag_the_king> Seveas: A pizza slizer??
[05:08] <macarthy> huh?
[05:08] <Lafitte-> slizer ?
[05:09] <bob2> bloodlust: please don't to that
[05:09] <ag_the_king> sliser i dont know how to spell it!?
[05:09] <misaka> bob2 - What did he do?
[05:09] <bob2> misaka: dcc chat
[05:09] <Lafitte-> hehe     maybe slicer
[05:09] <misaka> Ah. *nod*
[05:10] <Efwis> bloodlust please ask before trying to dcc
[05:10] <ag_the_king> slicer... Thanks.. That sounds better
[05:10] <Lafitte-> ag_the_king, hehe
[05:11] <JohnMurdoch> bloodlust, others have asked you and now I'm telling you, do not dcc chat me
[05:11] <ag_the_king> lafitte do you kow what you name sounds like in swedish
[05:11] <adapt> haha
[05:11] <Lafitte-> ag_the_king,  no    tell me  grin
[05:12] <ag_the_king> la pusse (la pussy)
[05:13] <Seveas> muha
[05:13] <Lafitte-> ag_the_king,  nice
[05:13] <Lafitte-> ag_the_king,  and hat dos that tranlte too ?
[05:13] <ag_the_king> fitta means pussy and fitte sounds lika fitta
[05:13] <Mez> requested by bob2?
[05:14] <Seveas> Mez, what..?
[05:14] <Mez> * bloodlust (~bloodlust@157.130.111.50) has left #ubuntu (requested by bob2)
[05:14] <Seveas> he
[05:14] <Lafitte-> ag_the_king,  Lafitte the e is silent
[05:14] <Seveas> I have show join/parts off in this channel :)
[05:14] <Mez> ah lol
[05:14] <Mez> well I got a DCC chat off of bloodlust aswell
[05:14] <Mez> grr
[05:14] <Seveas> heh
[05:14] <infralite> ah, me too
[05:15] <ccc> so did i
[05:15] <kid> what'd he do? :o
[05:15] <Seveas> so probably i had one too :)
[05:15] <Lafitte-> i didnt get one
[05:15] <Efwis> i just aborted it and told him to ask first
[05:15] <njan> why is bloodlust randomly dcc'ing me?
[05:15] <Seveas> ag_the_king, private messages are also not appreciated without asking...
[05:15] <Lafitte-> he might have been trying to exploit you somehow
[05:15] <ag_the_king> Ngon svensk?
[05:15] <ccc> ag_the_king: me
[05:15] <ag_the_king> :D I just had to
[05:16] <emacse1> Does Ubuntu come with a nifty/easy way to reconfigure X?
[05:16] <Mez> bob2 - can you put a ban on bloodlust - he's being really annoying with DCCs
[05:16] <Seveas> My swedish stops at knckebrd :)
[05:16] <ccc> lol
[05:16] <knewt> what do i type in on the install cd boot prompt to use my own choice of kernel
[05:16] <Seveas> emacse1, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:16] <Lafitte-> knewt,  you dont
[05:16] <infralite> or xserver-xfree86 on old comps
[05:16] <emacse1> Seveas: then it asks me a ton of questions, most of which, I have no idea as to the answer
[05:16] <occy> heh
[05:17] <Seveas> emacse1, use the default
[05:17] <infralite> err old versions
[05:17] <Seveas> the defaults are good usually
[05:17] <emacse1> Seveas: all this to change the monitor?
[05:17] <occy> did EVERYONE here get a DCC from bloodlust?
[05:17] <kid> requested? I'm not familiar to this network, is that like some sort of universal replacement?
[05:17] <Nobodyreal> I never did...
[05:17] <ag_the_king> seveas: You mean Knckebrd
[05:17] <misaka> bob2 - You can make someone leave a channel, without kicking, on this ircd?
[05:17] <misaka> occy - Not I.
[05:17] <Seveas> emacse1, well, you can edit xorg.conf too :)
[05:17] <occy> k
[05:17] <bob2> misaka: yes
[05:17] <occy> maybe it's someone I knew
[05:17] <occy> :)
[05:17] <housetier> occy, yes I did
[05:17] <Seveas> ag_the_king, probably, as I said my swedish is bad :)
[05:17] <emacse1> Seveas: but I don't have to do either during installation
[05:17] <occy> housetier, ahhh, bot?
[05:17] <Andril> hello all
[05:17] <infralite> occy: i did
[05:17] <Seveas> i just like the accents :)
[05:17] <misaka> bob2 - What's the point, versus a kick?
[05:17] <bob2> misaka: it's silly, but it tends to not trigger people's auto-rejoin scripts
[05:17] <bob2> misaka: ^^
[05:17] <misaka> Ah.
[05:17] <kid> Ohh ohh, can you try it on me
[05:17] <emacse1> Seveas: so can I use the magic part of the installer that figures it all out?
[05:18] <Seveas> emacse1, sure
[05:18] <misaka> *nod* ... neat trick. Guess it doesn't always work though. :] 
[05:18] <bob2> heh
[05:18] <Mez> ah ... bob2  so whats the command to make them do that - or is that just how the kcik works on here
[05:18] <bob2> it would if I could cut and paste faster, but trackpoints suck
[05:18] <emacse1> Seveas: how? :)
[05:18] <Lafitte-> misaka,  i like it because it looked like he grabbed his ear lobe and escorted him out like a little kid  hehe
[05:18] <Nobodyreal> Could anyone tell me how to make changes to the /dev tree and make them stick after a reboot?
[05:19] <misaka> Lafitte - Heh, true.
[05:19] <kid> :(
[05:19] <bob2> Mez: /quote remove #channel username
[05:19] <Seveas> Nobodyreal, edit /etc/udev/rules
[05:19] <bob2> misaka: hah, I'm in screen, but I always forget the cut'n'paste keys
[05:19] <Mez> ah cool :D
[05:19] <ag_the_king> da da da! Ich libe dish nicht du libe mich nicht
[05:20] <Nobodyreal> Seveas: Is that supposed to already be there with a standard installation?  Or do I just put the node info that I want it to restore in here?
[05:20] <misaka> bob2 - ^A-ESC, vi keys to navigate, space to mark, then space again to copy and exit. ^A-]  to paste. ;] 
[05:20] <macarthy> i've installed vncserver , ran it  " New 'X' desktop is mandelbrot:2"   - shouldn't I see this in netstat -n -a -p tcp | grep 5902
[05:20] <ag_the_king> can i translate to swedish
[05:21] <OddAbe19> damnit, who was bloodlust? i got a dccchat fro mhim
[05:21] <Seveas> OddAbe19, a bot
[05:21] <Seveas> ignore it
[05:21] <OddAbe19> check check
[05:21] <kid> notified network authorities of him?
[05:21] <OddAbe19> i figured
[05:21] <Seveas> heh :)
[05:23] <ag_the_king> I'm gona kick you seveas!
[05:24] <Seveas> where did you find my sandals?!?
[05:25] <ag_the_king> seveas: In the closet next to the xxx magazines
[05:25] <Seveas> that's not where I keep them :)
[05:25] <Seveas> but let's stay on topic here :)
[05:26] <Andril> anyone able to run FTP,DNS,EMAIL or HTTP server on Ubuntu?
[05:26] <macarthy> On vncserver - looks like it is Segfaulting
[05:26] <Seveas> Andril, everybody can :)
[05:26] <Mez> there's a topic in here seveas?
[05:26] <adapt> miscz you around?
[05:26] <Seveas> Mez, yes, ubuntu support..
[05:27] <Andril> Seveas, cool - well I am still trying to get rid of my Win PC's and port it all to Ubuntu
[05:27] <adapt> Andril: yes
[05:27] <Mez> oh, ok, I thought it was a community + support chat room
[05:28] <Seveas> Mez, well, on times like this (not too busy) it's a random chatroom, but the main purpose is community support though
[05:28] <Andril> adapt, can you point me in the right direction?
[05:28] <adapt> for ftp use /etc/inetd.conf
[05:28] <Seveas> Andril, aptitude install apache2 bind9 vsftpd
[05:29] <macarthy> Ok so that is vino and vncserver  that both segfault on ubuntu amd64
[05:29] <ag_the_king> seveas: Look behind you :D
[05:29] <zerokool> Hi all
[05:29] <zerokool> Im looking for some help please
[05:29] <ag_the_king> seveas: No the other behind you
[05:30] <Seveas> zerokool, well, state your problem then :)
[05:30] <adapt> zerokool: change your name and just ask
[05:30] <zerokool> I have just apt-get the firefox plugin
[05:30] <Andril> Seveas, are these commands or apps
[05:30] <macarthy> anyone running amd64 ubuntu?
[05:30] <Seveas> macarthy, lots of people
[05:30] <zerokool> but now when a page has flash content it closes
[05:30] <macarthy> here?
[05:30] <noob> Plz, can someone help to instal Skype on Ubuntu ?
[05:30] <zerokool> mcarthy I am
[05:30] <hippys> why do i get this message whem my linux start. Couldnt set the clock with the hardware or something like that
[05:31] <adapt> Andril: thats a command to install apps - apache2 is the web server, bind is dns, and vsftpd is ftp
[05:31] <Seveas> zerokool, amd64 and flash is a no-go
[05:31] <zyiro> macarthy im running it on a box at work
[05:31] <ag_the_king> seveas: Do you see me?
[05:31] <TokenBad> anyone help me with vsftpd?
[05:31] <zerokool> ahhhh
[05:31] <macarthy> zerocool, zyiro, can you run vncsever ?
[05:31] <zerokool> is there not a workaround then
[05:31] <Andril> adapt, do you have one for email? how about Hula?
[05:31] <Seveas> zerokool, not really, macromedia refuses to make a 64bit binary...
[05:31] <zerokool> dunno never tried
[05:31] <adapt> Andril: postfix is what i use
[05:31] <zerokool> ok then thanks for the info
[05:31] <zyiro> yeah ive usec vnc on it but
[05:31] <Seveas> Andril, for e-mail postfix is the default
[05:32] <zyiro> bit*
[05:32] <Andril> postfix
[05:32] <adapt> Hula is just a web based front end isnt it
[05:32] <macarthy> zyiro, but?
[05:32] <ag_the_king> Seveas: See! Now your ignoring me and my stupidness again
[05:32] <Andril> adapt, thanks is it easy?
[05:32] <ag_the_king> stupidity
[05:32] <hippys> what package i need in order to get the tgetent
[05:32] <Seveas> and now everyone will ignore you...
[05:32] <zyiro> macarthy i meat to type bit instead of but
[05:32] <zyiro> ive used vnc a bit
[05:32] <Andril> Seveas, you are always on top of things thanks -
[05:32] <adapt> Andril: have you ever set up any server (services) before?
[05:32] <Seveas> vnc is sluggissh
[05:32] <Seveas> freenx beats vnc's ass anytime
[05:33] <macarthy> have you got vino to work?
[05:33] <macarthy> zyiro, have you got vino to work?
[05:33] <Andril> adapt, in Win yes - in Lin No
[05:33] <Seveas> really, you should look at freenx
[05:33] <noob> What pakage should i get ? .tar.bz2   or .deb ???
[05:33] <Seveas> .deb
[05:33] <adapt> Andril: you have some work to do then :)
[05:33] <macarthy> Seveas, need to use vnc
[05:33] <Seveas> noob, what are you trying to install?
[05:33] <Seveas> macarthy, ah ok. Sorry that I can't be more helpful than a 'here it works' message then...
[05:34] <noob> Skype for Linux
[05:34] <hippys> i cant install the screen package it says i need he tgetent what do i do?
[05:34] <Seveas> noob, yeah use the deb :)
[05:34] <noob> ok, i got it
[05:34] <Seveas> hippys, sptitude install screen
[05:34] <Andril> adapt, running the command now
[05:35] <TokenBad> I have vsftpd install and can connect..but the user I added says logon failed..but the user can get in through ssh..
[05:35] <TokenBad> any idea
[05:35] <adapt> TokenBad: you go through the vsftp config file?
[05:35] <Seveas> TokenBad, look at the vsftpd config...
[05:35] <hippys> Seveas whats that?
[05:35] <noob> I created a folder named sk2 at my personal folder and extracted the .deb files
[05:35] <TokenBad> I did..but didn't see anything about users
[05:35] <Seveas> hippys, screen is installed by default...
[05:36] <Seveas> noob, you shouldn't extract deb files
[05:36] <Mez> ARGH!
[05:36] <Seveas> noob, you should run dpkg -i filename_of_the_debfile.deb
[05:36] <Mez> GODAMNIT#
[05:36] <noob> oh... so whats the next step
[05:36] <Mez> my X session keeps restarting for NO APPARENT REASON
[05:36] <Mez> god this is annoying
[05:36] <noob> ok... hang a second ... im doing it
[05:36] <Seveas> hippys, what are you trying to accomplish?
[05:36] <hippys> Seveas is it default in ubuntu-amd64 too?
[05:36] <Seveas> hippys, afaik yes
[05:37] <pestilence> anybody here use fluxbox from universe?  i have a older box that i would like to run fluxbox on, and the version in universe is *extremely* slow...slower than KDE (and that's saying a lot...this is a 300 mhz celeron machine)
[05:37] <pestilence> i have removed .fluxbox, anything else i could try?
[05:37] <Mez> pestilence, works fine for me me :D
[05:37] <Mez> very fast too
[05:37] <pestilence> i don't understand why it's so slow.
[05:37] <CruJones> Hello guys
[05:37] <hippys> Seveas: how can i install php
[05:37] <pestilence> Mez: congratulations :)
[05:37] <Seveas> hippys, sudo aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4
[05:37] <xoz> pestilence: what about blackbox or openbox? openbox rocks AFAIK
[05:38] <JohnMurdoch> pestilence, have you tried the fluxbox in backports?
[05:38] <pestilence> xoz: mainly because i've used fluxbox extensively and so i'm quite used to it
[05:38] <hippys> Seveas: and how can i can get the libmad
[05:38] <Andril> adapt, how can I configure bind?
[05:38] <adapt> i dont use bind
[05:38] <pestilence> JohnMurdoch: no, i try to avoid using backports.  is it a significantly improved version?
[05:38] <Seveas> hippys, you mean for mo3 playback?
[05:38] <Seveas> mp3*
[05:38] <hippys> yes
[05:38] <adapt> you probably dont need a dns server
[05:39] <JohnMurdoch> pestilence, I believe it may resolve the slowness factor. This was discussed on the ubuntuforums AFAIK
[05:39] <hippys> i am trying to install mpg321
[05:39] <Seveas> hippys, sudo aptitude install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:39] <xoz> pestilence: they bahave and look similar. openbox gives you more options.
[05:39] <kafeine> hippys, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad ?
[05:39] <adapt> what are you trying to do? server in the bedroom style?
[05:39] <Seveas> hippys, sudo aptitude install mpg321
[05:39] <Seveas> :)
[05:39] <pestilence> xoz: i'll give it a shot.
[05:39] <TokenBad> Seveas, I did look at the vsftp config file..but didn't see anything about adding users
[05:39] <pestilence> JohnMurdoch: if openbox isn't what i'm looking for i'll try backports
[05:39] <pestilence> thanks.
[05:39] <JohnMurdoch> pestilence, why do you avoid using backports?
[05:39] <hippys> whats sudo for?
[05:39] <Seveas> TokenBad, afaik you need to enable local users to login
[05:39] <kafeine> hippys, super user
[05:39] <Seveas> hippys, it makes you run the command as root
[05:39] <hippys> ok
[05:39] <Andril> adapt, I own my domain via Register.com and are currently serving it using DNS2Go - can Bind take over?
[05:39] <Raskall> I got a new job today. Going to be the sysadmin of a linux company developing linux cluster solutions.
[05:40] <Seveas> Andril, yes
[05:40] <pestilence> Raskall: i hope you're not coming here for help :)
[05:40] <Seveas> Raskall, nice job
[05:40] <kafeine> lol
[05:40] <Raskall> I am rid of my firstline dsl support job.
[05:40] <Andril> Seveas, hook me up with the knowledge :)
[05:40] <TokenBad> Seveas, it is set to allow it
[05:40] <Raskall> I am quite happy now. :)
[05:40] <hippys> how can i set up the network
[05:40] <Seveas> Andril, aptitude install bind9
[05:40] <Seveas> and look at the docs
[05:40] <TokenBad> I set that before..figured needed it
[05:40] <Raskall> pestilence: nope.. :) Ubuntu is my home choice. My future employer use redhat and suse.
[05:40] <Seveas> it's been a while since i fucked up^W^Wplayed with bind
[05:41] <xoz> Raskall: what's the preferred distro in your company?
[05:41] <hippys> how can i set up the eth0 interface
[05:41] <Andril> Seveas, done
[05:41] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> Unix :}
[05:41] <Mez> anyone know where X crash logs are kept?
[05:41] <Seveas> hippys, wired or wireless?
[05:41] <hippys> wired
[05:41] <Seveas> Mez, /var/log/xorg.0.log
[05:41] <Raskall> xoz: for desktop use I guess I can choose what I want. The servers and the target platform for their product is redhat and suse.
[05:42] <noob> Seveas: Ok...after the command the terminal said Selecting package... Reading database... Extracting Skype... Installing Skype.... and finally prompt the command line again
[05:42] <Seveas> hippys, use the network configuring tool
[05:42] <Raskall> well.. got to go.. c ya
[05:42] <pestilence> xoz: openbox seems to suffer the same slowness.  strange.
[05:42] <Andril> Seveas, I see you are busy - I'll get back with you later
[05:42] <Seveas> hippys menu system->administration->networking
[05:42] <hippys> Seveas whats that tool?
[05:42] <Andril> adapt, thanks again -I'll be back on later
[05:42] <ivoks> any luck with ISDN anyone?
[05:42] <Seveas> noob, that means it's now installed :D
[05:42] <xoz> pestilence: hmm... something is not right... what about xfce? or blackbox or wmaker?
[05:43] <pestilence> xoz: well, i'm starting to wonder what the problem is.
[05:43] <JohnMurdoch> pestilence, the issue is documented in discussions on the forums
[05:43] <pestilence> JohnMurdoch: ok, i'll check it out.
[05:43] <xoz> pestilence: maybe, your xserver acceleration support has something to do with it.
[05:43] <noob> ok. I see at "internet" programs group a icon named Skype but when i clik on it nothing happens... should i restar ubuntu 4?
[05:43] <laxise> hi ....anyone .... how to install mc on ubuntu ???
[05:44] <Seveas> noob, in the terminal type 'skype' and see what happens
[05:44] <noob> ok
[05:44] <Seveas> laxise, sudo aptitude install mc
[05:44] <pestilence> xoz: seems possible
[05:44] <xoz> noob: linux is not windows where you have to restart to get things done... except kernel upgrade.
[05:44] <laxise> Seveas: thx
[05:44] <Seveas> laxise, you must have universe enabled
[05:44] <Seveas> laxise: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:45] <noob> oh-oh... i probably did something wrong... see the message after type skype:         skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared o bject file: No such file or directory
[05:45] <xoz> pestilence: slow in a sense that moving/resizing windows take time? what's your video card?
[05:45] <bob2> noob: install the libqt3-mt package
[05:45] <Seveas> noob, ah ok, skype requires kde
[05:45] <pestilence> xoz: no, it takes a very long time to load up.
[05:45] <laxise> Seveas: could you explain command sudo aptitude install
[05:46] <pestilence> xoz: longer than kde, which is depressing.
[05:46] <laxise> Seveas: a bit more ...
[05:46] <Seveas> laxise, sudo = run the following as root, aptitude = the package manager, install = let the package manager install the following
[05:47] <Myrtti> hrm
[05:47] <laxise> Seveas: where is aptitude located basicaly on Ubuntu???
[05:47] <noob> oh,no... So Should I change my graph interface to kde ? I use gnome....
[05:47] <xoz> pestilence: try strace startfluxbox
[05:47] <Seveas> noob, sudo aptitude install libqt3c102-mt
[05:47] <pestilence> xoz: but the xserver is doing a lot of work when it loads...so perhaps there is something wrong in the configuration of it.
[05:47] <noob> ok
[05:47] <Seveas> laxise: type this: slocate aptitude
[05:47] <likkashot> hello people
[05:48] <xoz> yep. how big is your ram?
[05:48] <bob2> noob: no, there's no need to use kde
[05:48] <pestilence> xoz: ok, i'll do that in a minute.  i want to see what has been said in the forums
[05:48] <macarthy> looks like there is a known bug with amd64  vnc, fixed upstream
[05:48] <likkashot> is this a help place cause I need some :)
[05:48] <cary> hah...i do too
[05:49] <cary> is anyone other than us even around?
[05:50] <Seveas> likkashot, this is indeed a help channel
[05:50] <likkashot> I just dont remember how to ad an extra NIC card
[05:50] <mic_> I just sit and watch and learn
[05:50] <Seveas> just state your problem and hope for help :)
[05:50] <likkashot> it integrated but not discovered
[05:50] <mic_> don't feel I have much to contribute yet
[05:50] <noob> terminal returned:  could not find any package that match libqt....
[05:50] <Seveas> likkashot, plug it in your pc, start your pc and use the network config tool
[05:50] <TokenBad> how can I find out if have a program using port 21?
[05:50] <likkashot> I did not install the nvidia drivers yet
[05:51] <Seveas> likkashot, nforce motherboard?
[05:51] <ggeller> TokenBad: netstat -ant
[05:51] <likkashot> yes
[05:51] <keikoz> TokenBad port 21 is just used by ftp server
[05:51] <cary> well a question to ANYONE...i cant figure out how to install basically anything
[05:51] <likkashot> nforce 4 ultra
[05:51] <Seveas> TokenBad, netstat -l -t
[05:51] <Seveas> likkashot, type this: echo forcedeth | sudo tee -a /etc/modules && sudo modprobe forcedeth
[05:51] <likkashot> do I have to create eth1 by my self
[05:51] <likkashot> ok
[05:52] <cary> im Very new to linux and cant seem to make anything install. i get the hqx (i think) and either nothing is in it or its all the files i need to install but i dont either have an installer front end and i cant get terminal to run the file i DO have
[05:52] <TokenBad> ok now how can I kill it?
[05:53] <Seveas> carlos, you install stuff via the package manager (meny system->administration)
[05:53] <Seveas> cary, you install stuff via the package manager (meny system->administration)
[05:53] <cary> ahha
[05:53] <arkainium> I think one of my hard drives is failing.  Is there some tool I can use to check it?
[05:53] <Seveas> cary, if you look for something and can't find it there,
[05:53] <Seveas> cary: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:53] <mjr> arkainium, try smartmontools
[05:53] <Seveas> read that too
[05:53] <cary> will do
[05:53] <zyth> arkainium, check the manufacturer's website, most have diagnostic tools
[05:54] <Seveas> cary, and if you are looking for specific things: the package manager has a search function, and you can also ask here
[05:54] <arkainium> zyth, the problem is I don't have a floppy drive on that computer.
[05:54] <likkashot> what afeter the command Seveas
[05:54] <cary> seveas, another question is i had i was wanting to install MOL and it gave me a "deb http://www.blahblahbl" line. what do i do with that? i coudlnt for my life figure that mess out
[05:54] <nJess> hey, can ubuntu play a DVD on a clean install?
[05:55] <zyth> arkainium, can you make a bootable CD or USB?
[05:55] <nJess> if not, what do i need to get?
[05:55] <zyth> nJess, depends, commercial or not?
[05:55] <bob2> nJess: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[05:55] <deffy> Ok, so why is it hat I've followed every single wiki related to wifi and they still don't work
[05:55] <Seveas> likkashot, you should than have an eth1
[05:55] <arkainium> zyth, hmm.. I'll give it a shot.
[05:55] <likkashot> ok
[05:55] <Seveas> otherwise, reboot and it should be there
[05:55] <Lafitte-> has anyone got Ricoh cardbus to work in ubuntu yet ?
[05:55] <bob2> cary: MOL and friends are in ubuntu already...
[05:55] <cpayan> is there a particular reason the installer stopped asking me for a root password?
[05:55] <bob2> Lafitte-: is that supported by ubuntu at all?
[05:55] <bob2> cpayan: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:56] <Seveas> deffy, that's because wifi is underdeveloped in linux
[05:56] <bob2> cpayan: the installer did explain it to you
[05:56] <Seveas> cpayan: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:56] <bob2> Seveas: well, that's not realy true
[05:56] <noob> Seveas, I know you are busy but dont forget about me..:-)
[05:56] <Lafitte-> bob2,  i havent got it to work  in anythng linux   but always looking
[05:56] <bob2> it's more because some cards have no documentation
[05:56] <sam2> nJess, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback
[05:56] <Lafitte-> bob2,  it shows up in lspci
[05:56] <Seveas> bob2, well wpa/802.1x is underdeveloped...
[05:56] <cary> seveas, also, i plan to dual boot os x and ubuntu, and i saw some debian suggested partitioning list. like a partition for this, that, os x, etc. but i cant find it again. where is there a good place for me to figure out how to partition my 80g HD?
[05:56] <deffy> I mean I've tried to get my USB wifi thingy to work 3 different ways and all of them do not work or cannot be done
[05:56] <bob2> WPA is kinda niche, tho
[05:56] <Seveas> noob, have you installed libgt3c102-mt?
[05:56] <cary> (or..i guess that question is to anyone)
[05:57] <bob2> deffy: and what sort of "usb wifi thingy" is it?
[05:57] <Seveas> bob2, 802.1x not
[05:57] <Seveas> and wpa is gaining popularity fast
[05:57] <cary> bob2, is it under applicatinos or something?
[05:57] <zyth> USB WiFi is generally bad :/
[05:57] <TokenBad> hmm
[05:57] <bob2> Seveas: x = b/g?
[05:57] <arkainium> zyth, they actually even offer a cd image, so I guess I'll give it a go.
[05:57] <deffy> Belkin USB Wifi Adaptor model F5D7050
[05:57] <zyth> arkainium, there you go :)
[05:57] <Seveas> 802.1x = authentication
[05:57] <noob> i dont know... how can i verify it ?
[05:57] <bob2> ah
[05:57] <bob2> I've not heard of it...
[05:57] <TokenBad> Seveas, I did the netstat..says glftpd is using it..but when try to do ps -ef | grep gl
[05:57] <bob2> deffy: is it too late to return it?
[05:57] <TokenBad> its not listed
[05:58] <Seveas> noob, i have to go for a few minute, can you please send me a private message so i will not forget you :)
[05:58] <deffy> ndiswrapper doesn't work, it freezes when I modprobed
[05:58] <cpayan> ok, should have read a little closer then... the nba finals were on, come on... i have the strangest feeling that i was able to log in as root on saturday though
[05:58] <spiral> hi
[05:58] <Lafitte-> f5d6050 didnt work
[05:58] <bob2> deffy: is it too late to return it and get a working one?
[05:58] <noob> ok seveas... thnx
[05:58] <deffy> bob2: yeah unfortunatly, it works great on my windows partition
[05:58] <Seveas> TokenBad, that's because it's spawned via inetd i guess
[05:58] <bob2> ouch
[05:58] <bob2> oh well
[05:58] <likkashot> I must be doing something wrong
[05:58] <TokenBad> ok...so how do I kill it?
[05:59] <Lafitte-> bob2,  what usb wireless does work ?
[05:59] <Ober> lafitte smc2662w
[05:59] <dooglus_> I'm trying to install ubuntu onto an old PC, but I can't get it to boot from the installation CD.  Is there any way I can install without booting from the CD?  I have WinXP and Fedora currently bootable on the PC
[05:59] <bob2> Lafitte-: I've personally used a netgear ma-111 with few problems
[05:59] <bob2> it's still pretty shit, tho
[05:59] <Lafitte-> bob2,  ndiswrapper ??
[05:59] <deffy> I tried also loading up the rt2500 chipset drivers to get it to work... got all the way to raconfig2500
[05:59] <bob2> Lafitte-: nope
[05:59] <Lafitte-> bob2,  oh kewl
[05:59] <bob2> buying a usb device that requires ndiswrapper seems kidna silly
[06:00] <xoz> dooglus_: maybe you should boot with 2.6 kernel. are you using SATA?
[06:00] <mic_> I tried the rt2500 drivers but the settings were always lost on reboot
[06:00] <zyth> deffy, apparently Linuxant's thingy works with it, from a google.
[06:00] <deffy> Driverloader?
[06:00] <deffy> Nope
[06:00] <deffy> my system locks up while configuring it
[06:00] <termite> hey
[06:00] <bob2> haha
[06:00] <dooglus_> xoz: I don't know.  What's SATA?
[06:00] <bob2> yay binary drivers
[06:00] <deffy> and the whole time the system does not see the Belkin as a Network Device
[06:00] <zyth> is this a desktop or notebook?
[06:00] <stimpie> is there a tool to add nfs shares in ubuntu? for the client I mean.
[06:00] <cary> anyone, is where is MOL on a general installation of ubuntu?
[06:00] <deffy> but as a USB device that it has no idea what to do with it
[06:01] <deffy> desktop
[06:01] <bob2> stimpie: just mount them as normal in /etc/fstab
[06:01] <bob2> cary: no where, you need to install it
[06:01] <stimpie> bob2, yeah I know but I would like a graphical tool
[06:01] <zyth> you may wind up having to get a supported PCI NIC if that's an option, or some ethernet cable.
[06:02] <deffy> well I'm using eth0 right now
[06:02] <zyth> *nods*
[06:02] <cary> bob2, that is what i was trying to do but i couldnt ever get a hold of the MOL install stuff. but once i did (no idea how to, the site i found is confusing) i'd use pacakge manager? and that is...where?
[06:02] <likkashot> Seveas I dont even have a modules folder
[06:02] <bob2> cary: eh?
[06:02] <deffy> but my room is upstairs and the router is down here, and I want the set up upstairs because all my gear is up there
[06:02] <zyth> deffy, yeah, I can't find anything except an instance where one guy got that working with driverloader
[06:02] <bob2> cary: ignore any websites you've read
[06:02] <zyth> deffy, and you're saying it crashes on you so...
[06:03] <deffy> zyth: it crashes after tellimg me no devices can be found
[06:03] <cary> bob2, okay. i'll just tell you what im trying to do.
[06:03] <deffy> even though the adaptor is fully identified by the system
[06:03] <zyth> deffy, have you checked Device Manager and seen if the device is listed?
[06:03] <bob2> cary: and install the mol-modules-source package using synaptic
[06:03] <zyth> Oh ok sounds like it
[06:03] <deffy> I mean device manager knows who makes it and what it is
[06:03] <bob2> cary: it's not going to be simple, tho; if you're not comfortable with linux, I'd just do the reboot thing for now
[06:03] <zyth> yeah
[06:03] <deffy> just doesn't seem to put 2 and 2 together
[06:04] <bob2> adding a device manager on top of hal was a mistake
[06:04] <zyth> and you made sure you had the right .inf and .sys files?
[06:04] <deffy> yes, using the files from the cd
[06:04] <deffy> is that part of my problem trying to use files directly off the cd?
[06:04] <mic_> gotta run
[06:05] <cary> bob2, this is how new i am. i vaguely know what synaptic is, but id ont know where to get it or if i have it, or how to use it. and what do you mean "reboot thing"
[06:05] <zyth> Shouldn't be, I've used ndiswrapper in the past, and I just used my default files, but are you sure the files you used were for your specific nic?  Sometimes those CDs have multiple drivers on them?
[06:05] <bob2> cary: I mean "Setting up MOL is going to be very very difficult for you, especially if you don't have an experienced friend to help you.  If I were you, I'd just deal with rebooting into macos every now and then."
[06:05] <kudzubane> cary: it should be installed if you did a default install
[06:05] <deffy> no just has the one driver
[06:06] <kudzubane> cary: explore your menus in gnome :)
[06:06] <bob2> cary: synaptic = "system -> administration -> package manager" menu on the top of the screen, btw
[06:06] <cary> bob2, okay. i need to get a linux friend. i am sort of trying this for fun. i miss LiteStep from way back when i had a PC and i have wanted to know linxu for a while now. note to self: get linxu friend
[06:06] <deffy> ok zyth, found this on the ndiswrapper system
[06:06] <deffy> er wiki
[06:06] <deffy> Other: SuSE 9.1, kernel-2.6.x-smp: doesn't work, 'modprobe ndiswrapper' freezes the system.
[06:06] <bob2> cary: hah
[06:07] <deffy> was under my usb adaptor
[06:07] <zyth> ahh
[06:07] <bob2> smp and ndiswrapper is asking for trouble
[06:07] <cary> bob2: so a package is the hqx thing, right?
[06:07] <bob2> cary: I don't know what "hqx" is
[06:07] <zyth> deffy, try switching to non-smp
[06:07] <pestilence> xoz: so what should i do with the trace produced by "strace startfluxbox"?
[06:07] <kudzubane> cary: hqx is a mac os thing
[06:08] <kudzubane> cary: under ubuntu, packages has .deb extension
[06:08] <cary> bob2: okay say i have some bit of software i want. how do i get it? do i get the source? do i try to find a Deb installer? and then, assuming i find what i need...does the package manager find know what to do with wha ti downloaded?
[06:08] <zyth> deffy, if you've got a P4, just apt-get install linux-686
[06:08] <bob2> cary: you use the package manager exclusively, and it download and installs things for you
[06:09] <deffy> I've got an AMD
[06:09] <bob2> cary: no need for source, no need to download things manually
[06:09] <Quest-Master> Hindi and Urdu Ubuntu users-- #ubuntu-hi and #ubuntu-ur
[06:09] <zyth> deffy, linux-K7 I think then
[06:09] <cary> kudzunbane: thanks. what does it mean when i see a line like "deb http://blah.blah.blah" talking about some sort of installation?
[06:09] <deffy> ok
[06:09] <zyth> deffy, synaptic can help :)
[06:09] <zyth> brb
[06:09] <cary> bob2: nice! thanks! i feel like a 13 year old
[06:09] <deffy> I'm a linux newbie, I'm using it for my day to day stuff
[06:10] <kudzubane> cary: it means a package is being installed and the http:// lists where the package is located
[06:10] <synd> zy
[06:10] <bob2> cary: heh, it is all new and weird when you start
[06:10] <cary> kudzubane: but do i put that line in terminal or the package thing? i just dont understand context for the syntax
[06:10] <moparfan90_> when i go in to a program the icon thing doesnt show up on the bottom where it should. how do i make it do that?????
[06:10] <deffy> ok getting K7
[06:10] <cary> bob2: any suggestions of how to partition my HD for dual booting?
[06:11] <kudzubane> cary: use the nice package management gui provided (synaptic, as previously mentioned)
[06:11] <bob2> moparfan90_: is the program actually running?
[06:11] <kudzubane> cary: if want to do the command line thing, you will need to familiarize yourself with apt (see debian site for more details)
[06:11] <moparfan90_> yeah
[06:12] <deffy> I have to keep Windows so I can operate my audio gear, but like using Linux for day to day stuff, surfing the web, email, so I don't bog down Pro Tools
[06:12] <bob2> cary: give ubuntu at least a few GB
[06:12] <cary> kudzubane: same question i asked bob2: any suggestions of how to partition my HD for dual booting?
[06:12] <moparfan90_> like the chat
[06:12] <cary> bob2: well i saw some debian part. chart that was saying like 4 partitions
[06:12] <moparfan90_> any ideas
[06:12] <cary> bob2: a few gigs for ubuntu, and a lot for os x
[06:12] <bob2> cary: mac os X does weird thigns with hard disks
[06:13] <bob2> cary: it wants like 4 partitions
[06:13] <bob2> cary: well, it depends what you want to do
[06:13] <cary> bob2: well it was a website (i know im supposed to ignore them!)
[06:13] <bob2> hah
[06:13] <bob2> I just meant on the topic of MOL, since they're going to make it even more complicated
[06:13] <moparfan90_> does any one know how to make the icon show up on the bottom of the screen when your running the program and when it min.
[06:14] <deffy> zyth: so after K7 is done, what am I going to want to do?
[06:14] <cary> bob2: it was saying something for like..each OS's native area, and then one for a FAT32 area for ease of file sharing b/w OSs and then like  one other really small allocation for some other debian somethign or other
[06:14] <bob2> moparfan90_: if it's running, it'll be there
[06:14] <moparfan90_> yeah but its not???? why
[06:15] <bob2> I have no idea
[06:15] <nern> hi
[06:15] <bob2> why don't you tell us what you're trying to run?
[06:15] <moparfan90_> o
[06:15] <moparfan90_> any thing
[06:15] <moparfan90_> the chat any program
[06:16] <moparfan90_> i just what it to be there so i can minamize it and come baxk to it and it will be there
[06:16] <bob2> "want"?
[06:16] <moparfan90_> yeah
[06:16] <bob2> so, perhaps what you mean is "When I start programs, they show up in the taskbar at the bottom, but when I minimise the program, it disappears."?
[06:17] <moparfan90_> no there never there at all. sorry for being unclear
[06:17] <zyth> deffy, reboot, then remove all the ndiswrapper stuff, and go through the set up of it again according to the Wiki
[06:18] <bob2> so, perhaps there is no taskbar at all
[06:18] <deffy> ok, already removed the driver using ndiswrapper -e, that what you mean or something more complicated
[06:18] <moparfan90_> is the taskbar the one on the bottom?
[06:18] <moparfan90_> i just installed it
[06:18] <rndrdbrian> quick question. Booted into ubuntu today. I now have a missing right mouse button menu.
[06:18] <bob2> in what way is it missing?
[06:19] <bob2> moparfan90_: right click on the bottom bar.  add to panel.  window list. ok.
[06:19] <deffy> ok zyth, rebooting, wish me luck on attempt #44
[06:19] <rndrdbrian> in that I right click on the desktop, no menu!
[06:19] <cary> is it possible to for ubuntu to use two monitors? my CRT shows up as white when i boot normally
[06:19] <moparfan90_> oo.ok thanks:D
[06:19] <bob2> rndrdbrian: so, does it work elsewhere?
[06:20] <mjr> cary, it is, but I think you have to manually configure it
[06:20] <bob2> cary: depending on hardware, yes, but you have to configure it manually
[06:20] <cary> cool.
[06:20] <SS2> hi
[06:20] <SS2> i have a problem with sound-juicer
[06:20] <rndrdbrian> bob2, the mouse right button *does* work, I can select with the rmb in xterm, and I get the "add to panel" menu if I right click on the top menubar
[06:20] <SS2> cant ripp to mp3
[06:20] <moparfan90_> ok. bye
[06:21] <Otrayo> hi, can anyone tell me how to setup ubuntu so that i can ping the localhost/127.0.0.1
[06:21] <zyth> SS2, install gstreamer0.8-mad
[06:21] <Seveas> bob2, do you happen to know any good tutorials or describing websites on how to write a good xoerg.con/XF86config-4 ..?
[06:21] <bob2> rndrdbrian: run "nautilus" from a terminal, then see if it works again
[06:21] <SS2> zyth: i did that
[06:21] <bob2> Otrayo: it works out of the box
[06:21] <SS2> gstreamer0.8-lame is also installed
[06:21] <bob2> Otrayo: did you enable a "firewall" or such?
[06:21] <zyth> hm.
[06:21] <cary> general question: so in short to dual boot i need to reinstall the OS, reboot to CD, partition hd, then install ubuntu? do i need more than 2 partitions, possibly 3 if i want a FAT32 file sharing area?
[06:21] <razorback> whats a good program for burning audio cds and such?
[06:21] <thenuke> razorback: k3b
[06:21] <razorback> thanks
[06:21] <Otrayo> bob2: doesnt seem so...i can even ping the localhost, and i just did the default install
[06:21] <SS2> zyth: i also did the wiki
[06:21] <Otrayo> *cant even ping it
[06:22] <rndrdbrian> bob2, running nautilus brings it back.....
[06:22] <zyth> SS2, try grip then
[06:22] <plus|Subterfuge> Need help configuring USB Dongle relating to a wireless network. Drivers and such
[06:22] <bob2> rndrdbrian: system -> preferences -> session, make sure nautilus is listed
[06:22] <zyth> SS2, should be in synaptic
[06:22] <rndrdbrian> listed in startup?
[06:22] <bob2> Otrayo: paste the output of "ifconfig lo" to #flood
[06:22] <zyth> deffy, any luck?
[06:22] <bob2> rndrdbrian: yeah
[06:22] <bob2> plus|Subterfuge: you need to be a lot more specific.  tell us what model and chispet it is
[06:23] <rndrdbrian> bob2, strangely enough, it isn't
[06:23] <plus|Subterfuge> ok bob2
[06:23] <deffy> going to reconfig Ndiswrapper now
[06:23] <zyth> deffy, and have you checked https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto?highlight=%28ndiswrapper%29 ?
[06:23] <alemao> does anyone knows if ubuntu the firewall is running after installation ?
[06:23] <Otrayo> 2 secs bob2
[06:23] <bob2> Seveas: you never need to write them from scratch anymore, so driver manpages (e.g. 'man ati') are usually all you need
[06:23] <bob2> alemao: no, there's no firewall and no need for one
[06:23] <Seveas> bob2, I know, I'm just curious
[06:24] <deffy> zyth, yeah and I get loads of errors by following those instructions
[06:24] <dieter> hi!
[06:24] <plus|Subterfuge> The USB Dongle is a TopCom Skyr@cer wireless USB stick 54 Mbps
[06:24] <dieter> anyone done an APT-GET to install gdesklets ?
[06:24] <zyth> deffy, is your system AMD64 or 32 bit?
[06:24] <plus|Subterfuge> What I need is drivers that work with ubuntu, and how to set up the wireless network
[06:24] <dieter> which source do you guys use ?
[06:24] <alemao> bob2, no vulnerable porta ?
[06:24] <Seveas> dieter, yes
[06:24] <rndrdbrian> bob2, thanks for the help. that seems to have been the problem.
[06:24] <bob2> alemao: indeed
[06:24] <plus|Subterfuge> I have found this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zd1211/
[06:24] <bob2> rndrdbrian: np, it is weird it wasn't there by default
[06:24] <Otrayo> bob2: do you mind waiting while i reconnect from my ubuntu notebook?
[06:24] <bob2> Otrayo: no
[06:24] <bob2> plus|Subterfuge: is it too late to return it?
[06:24] <plus|Subterfuge> will they work for the USB stick?
[06:25] <plus|Subterfuge> hehe
[06:25] <cary> bob2 and seveas and everyone who helped, thanks. i'll be back.
[06:25] <plus|Subterfuge> I think so :D
[06:25] <rndrdbrian> bob2, *shrug*, such are computers, they do strange things sometime
[06:25] <bob2> heh
[06:25] <Otrayo> bob2: 2 secs
[06:25] <deffy> zyth: it's whatever the AMD 2400+ is,
[06:25] <dieter> Seveas, which source did you use (I'm from Belgium btw)
[06:25] <zyth> deffy, 32bit, k.
[06:25] <rndrdbrian> well, must go.
[06:25] <rndrdbrian> thanks for the help
[06:25] <Seveas> dieter, archive.ubuntu.com
[06:25] <dieter> that's weird ...
[06:26] <dieter> package name is gdesklets ? :)
[06:26] <bob2> yes
[06:26] <Otrayo> exit
[06:26] <zyth> deffy, yeah, beyond https://wiki.ubuntu.com/forum/hardware/ndiswrapper I can't tell you much else to try.
[06:26] <alemao> other question, is possible to install wine (wineX, or cedega) to run some programs for windows in Ubuntu ?
[06:26] <zyth> alemao, I have Morrowind and World of Warcraft running.
[06:26] <bob2> alemao: sure, but cedega costs money
[06:26] <deffy> zyth, I could shoot the wifi adaptor and bury it in the back yard
[06:27] <zyth> deffy, do that, and buy a PCI NIC that is Linux-friendly :)
[06:27] <dieter> I have : deb http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[06:27] <dieter> deb-src http://be.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-updates main restricted
[06:27] <alemao> zyth, using wine ?
[06:27] <bob2> plus|Subterfuge: so...which bit are you stuck on?
[06:27] <zyth> alemao, cedega
[06:27] <zyth> but like bob2 says, it's commercial
[06:27] <bob2> dieter: note that be.archive.ubuntu.com points at archive.ubuntu.com at the moment, anyway
[06:28] <deffy> zyth, still locks up at modprobe
[06:28] <synd> sudo tar xvf <tar file>  to extract .tar file, right?
[06:28] <Seveas> dieter, you might need universe
[06:28] <Seveas> dieter: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:28] <plus|Subterfuge> Well, just about everything. I found those drivers a couple of mins ago and was just wondering if they seem to be the right ones for my stick
[06:28] <Seveas> dieter: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[06:28] <bob2> synd: yes
[06:28] <dieter> ow ...
[06:28] <plus|Subterfuge> but it is probably not.
[06:28] <synd> i can never remember
[06:28] <alemao> what is best video board (pci, because my motherboard no AGP) to buy ?
[06:28] <dieter> Seveas, I'll have a look at tge site ... thanks!
[06:28] <zyth> deffy, I'm thinking it's the USB-ness of the thing.  That, or some weird hardware conflict.  You're probably best off to get an internal, supported PCI nic. :(
[06:28] <Otrayo> bob2: i was messing with settings before joining here...seems a restart did the trick, but tnx for being will to help anyway
[06:29] <alemao> other question .. exist software to p2p in ubuntu ? which
[06:29] <deffy> zyth, great, spending more money on this thing
[06:29] <zyth> deffy, can you return your USB nic?
[06:30] <deffy> no, it's too late
[06:30] <dieter> by the way ... ubuntu in VMware ROCKS :d
[06:30] <bob2> Otrayo: something somehow stopped the loopback interface from coming up, perhaps someone ctrl-c'd the network scripts at boot or something
[06:30] <zyth> deffy, : :(
[06:30] <Otrayo> mmmm....possibly
[06:30] <alan_> hello
[06:30] <Otrayo> bob2: do you know anything about MySQL?
[06:30] <zyth> alemao, probably, but I don't use p2p so I don't know what packages.
[06:30] <dieter> yes, installing desklets
[06:30] <dieter> Seveas, thanks it is installing!
[06:31] <alemao> zyth, did you make install wine via apt-get ?
[06:31] <bob2> Otrayo: enough to not use it ;p
[06:31] <alan_> i know about mysql in win not linux but both are the same
[06:31] <deffy> zyth: well hopefully I won't be the only person getting frustrated with usb wifi adaptors and figure something out
[06:31] <zyth> alemao, no, I used cedega and installed their .deb packages
[06:31] <Otrayo> bob2: hehe...ok, i'll ask in open chan
[06:31] <Otrayo> alan_: how do you specify which host to connect to a mysql database on?
[06:31] <zyth> deffy, yeah, hopefully.  USB ethernet is generally evil imo anyways.
[06:31] <Otrayo> alan_: from the command line
[06:31] <alemao> zyth, oh ok .. thanks information
[06:31] <synd> after i tar xvzf <.tar> i get this error: gzip: stdin: not in gzip format || tar: Child returned status 1
[06:32] <Otrayo> mmm...
[06:32] <Seveas> synd, drop the z
[06:32] <alemao> anyone from Brazil here ?
[06:32] <Seveas> tar xvf bla.tar
[06:32] <bob2> synd: z = gunzip the file first
[06:32] <zyth> xvjpf ;)
[06:33] <TokenBad> guess going to install ubuntu again
[06:33] <TokenBad> since can't figure this out
[06:33] <Otrayo> how do i connect to a mysql on another host, i.e. 192.168.1.1
[06:33] <synd> sudo tar xvf ~/Desktop/gDesklets-0.35rc1.tar.bz2 || tar: This does not look like a tar archive || tar: Skipping to next header || tar: Archive contains obsolescent base-64 headers || tar: Read 108 bytes from /home/phillip/Desktop/gDesklets-0.35rc1.tar.bz2
[06:33] <deffy> zyth: yeah but if things keep going they way they do in the windows world, it'll be the wave of the future
[06:33] <synd> got that :/
[06:33] <zyth> synd, tar -xvjpf
[06:33] <synd> ack ok
[06:33] <zyth> it's bzip2'd
[06:34] <bob2> Otrayo: with the mysql client tool? mysql -h 1.2.3.4
[06:34] <JohnMurdoch> synd, someone posted a .deb of the latest version of gDesklets to the ubuntu forums, check the backports section of threads
[06:34] <JSH> is it a bad idea to mount a NTFS partition as RW?
[06:34] <pfp> hmm, is there something wrong w/ the gdesklets in universe
[06:34] <synd> JohnMurdoch: ah really? thanks
[06:34] <Seveas> JSH, it's impossible :)
[06:34] <Seveas> unless you use captive ntfs
[06:34] <JSH> have managed so far....
[06:34] <JohnMurdoch> synd, roger
[06:34] <deffy> alright well I am going to install a new sound card and then move my comp back upstairs, thanks for your help
[06:34] <zyth> deffy, I don't know, I fix PCs for a living, and I see a TON of USB devices that just won't work properly showing up.  People are always happier with 'real' hardware.  USB just generally seems 'easier'
[06:35] <zyth> np hope things work out for you
[06:35] <Otrayo> bob2: and if i wanna specify the database?
[06:35] <bob2> Otrayo: same as you would on local host
[06:35] <Seveas> -d databasename
[06:37] <s2pc2> hola
[06:37] <debater> Is it a bad idea to install Ubuntu (5.04) without a network connection?
[06:37] <Otrayo> bob2: i'm troubleshooting a problem i'm having to connect to a MySQL database on the localhost via Java. I want to see if i can do it normally from the command line so that i can figure out whether the problem is with the database or my java coding...for java it would be jdbc:mysql://localhost/database
[06:37] <bob2> debater: it's fine
[06:37] <Otrayo> bob2: what would it be from the command line
[06:38] <debater> thx bob2
[06:38] <s2pc2> eso diselo a adolfo
[06:38] <JSH> didn't check the writing :(
[06:38] <debater> How do I configure the network afterwards?
[06:38] <bob2> debater: by editing /etc/network/interfaces
[06:38] <debater> (I have a cable modem)
[06:38] <zyth> should be DHCP then
[06:39] <isai> good morning!
[06:39] <bob2> Otrayo: mysql database
[06:39] <Madeye>  * */8 * * * in crontab means ?
[06:39] <debater> cool, thx guys
[06:39] <bob2> heh, javas another thing I steer well clear of
[06:39] <isai> how do I get vi to color code different file types?
[06:40] <bob2> :syntax on
[06:40] <isai> bob2: thanks, is there a config file I can change to automatically do it?
[06:41] <E0x> ~/.vimrc
[06:41] <E0x> i think
[06:41] <bob2> echo syntax on > ~/.vimrc
[06:41] <bob2> yeah
[06:42] <Fabian> good evening everyone
[06:42] <Fabian> some people never end having problems...... :(
[06:42] <isai> I just added 'syntax on' to the /etc/vim/vimrc file. Thanks a lot!
[06:43] <SS2> zyth: thank you, seems to work with grib better
[06:43] <zyth> SS2, np
[06:44] <Fabian> got a Problem: I have the following paritions on my Harddisk: Windows (NTFS), Files (Fat32), Linux Swap, ext3    Why can't  add another partition behind the ext3?
[06:44] <isai> Another question, when I maximize xterm in gnome the last line in the terminal is slightly below the bottom taskbar. Its annoying. Why does it do that?
[06:44] <we2by> any one have vmware running on amd64?
[06:44] <E0x> the mother of all you problem Fabian is one "Windows"
[06:44] <debater> Fab: Are they all primary partitions?
[06:44] <bob2> Fabian: you can only have 4 primary partitions, or windows will bitch
[06:45] <pfp> Fabian: one of the first 4 partitions needs to be an extended part. that holds the rest if you need >= 5
[06:45] <pfp> ... and are using a DOS partition table
[06:45] <Fabian> E0x, debater, bob2, pfp Files is an extended partition
[06:46] <Fabian> I got 3 prime and one logical so far
[06:46] <debater> hmmm not sure what the prob is then
[06:46] <TokenBad> in vsftpd how can I change the defualt port from 21?
[06:47] <swarm> Do you have a guide or better any deb package to setup a 32 bit chroot under Ubuntu Hoary?
[06:47] <bob2> TokenBad: why do you want to do that?
[06:47] <bob2> swarm: debootstrap
[06:47] <E0x> TokenBad edit the config of vsftpd and looking for a line that say something about port listen
[06:47] <TokenBad> cause I can't figure out how to get this other damn program to stop fucking with port 21
[06:47] <swarm> bob2: what does it do?
[06:47] <TokenBad> there is a data port
[06:47] <bob2> swarm: create chroots
[06:47] <TokenBad> but that is for download and upload connections
[06:48] <TokenBad> not the listen port
[06:48] <Fabian> anyone an idea, what I can do about my partitions?
[06:48] <bob2> TokenBad: a non-ftp-server is listening on port 21?
[06:48] <TokenBad> its pureftp
[06:48] <hodgman> hey, does anyone know of a gnome applet that displays mutiple time zones at the same time in the panel?
[06:48] <TokenBad> but I can't seem to kill it
[06:48] <debater> Fab: gives us a more detailed part map
[06:48] <bob2> TokenBad: so, remove it then
[06:48] <TokenBad> how
[06:48] <foodcoman> How can I get apt to upgrade the following?
[06:49] <foodcoman> libavcodeccvs libpostproc0 libxvidcore4 mplayer-386
[06:49] <foodcoman> The following packages have been kept back:
[06:49] <bob2> TokenBad: with synaptic or whatever you normally use
[06:49] <Fabian> Seveas, ya here?
[06:49] <foodcoman> Came up with a dist-upgrade.
[06:50] <laxise> does anyone know how to find out my OWN IP really quick???
[06:50] <E0x> TokenBad
[06:50] <E0x> listen_port
[06:50] <E0x>     If vsftpd is in standalone mode, this is the port it will listen on for incoming FTP connections.
[06:50] <E0x>     Default: 21
[06:50] <jfk303> can someone who's running rythmbox drag around the vertical bar separating the 'source' panel from the 'browser' panel all around? Does it move soothly or jerkily?
[06:50] <pfp> hmm.. is it possible to direct different gnome apps' sound to different
[06:50] <foodcoman> ifconfig
[06:50] <Lafitte-> laxise, IFCONFIG
[06:50] <pfp> [fat fingers, sorry] 
[06:51] <Lafitte-> no caps
[06:51] <Fabian> debater, what exactly do you need?
[06:52] <laxise> Lafitte: thx
[06:52] <pfp> is it possible to direct different gnome apps' sound to different outputs on a multichannel card? (it's possible w/ alsa and xmms)
[06:52] <dabi> is there any video codec pack? i just installed ubuntu to my laptop and i need some basic codecs like avi mpeg xvid divx and cook for realvideo
[06:52] <yakk> dabi, w32codecs & w32codecs-lite I think
[06:52] <yahalom> anyone compared ubuntu to fc4?
[06:52] <bob2> dabi: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:53] <bob2> yahalom: you're not going to get a useful answer unless yo utry both
[06:53] <dabi> yakk: apt-get?
[06:53] <swarm> bob2: I need such chroot 32 bit to build source code developed having in mind 32 bit. Is it better pbuilder? I have just checked something and man debootstrap says that. Right?
[06:53] <yakk> dabi, I may have gotten that from: deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
[06:53] <yakk> dabi, but I got the instructions from where bob2 says I think
[06:54] <bob2> swarm: if you code is 32-bit-specific and isn't assembler, it's broken
[06:54] <dabi> ok thnx both :)
[06:54] <yahalom> bob2, i tried fc3 and the chose ubuntu. if fc4 is much like fc3 then i know my choice.
[06:54] <bob2> swarm: fix it so it compiles on amd64
[06:54] <yakk> whats the status of an inotify enabled kernel in breezy - I see it in the changelog, but not in my boot messages or /dev/
[06:54] <bob2> swarm: if you want to compile binaries for i386, then a chroto is the way to go
[06:54] <bob2> swarm: pbuilder is more annoying if you want to work inside the chroot
[06:55] <cyclone> synic <3
[06:56] <swarm> bob2: yes itsn't my code but to see if it's really broken, not having another 32 bit platform I would like to compile source on both 32 and 64 to see what is wrong in source and what is wrong for my mistake. Ok, so I won't use pbuilder. Thanks.
[06:56] <_kevin> I'm trying to compile PyGTK-2.6.2 from source and ig et an error message saying headers required to compile python extensions... not found configure: error: could not find Python headers
[06:57] <_kevin> where can i get the nessesary Python headers?
[06:57] <bob2> why do you want 2.6.2 in particular?
[06:57] <_kevin> i checked to install a program
[06:57] <r0bby> they need to put qmail into the apt repository
[06:58] <_kevin> 2.6.2 is the latest version
[06:58] <r0bby> :)
[06:58] <pestilence> so i think i have conquered this fluxbox problem, and the solution doesn't seem to be found in the forums...
[06:58] <pestilence> fluxbox was taking *forever* to load.
[06:58] <_kevin> ok this si program I'm trying to install ---> http://parano.berlios.de/  and if u read the bottom it tells you what you need
[06:59] <pestilence> by changing two lines in ~/.fluxbox/init, it seems to have made things right.
[06:59] <bob2> _kevin: so, there's no reason at all to compile pygtk
[06:59] <bob2> _kevin: install python-gtk2
[06:59] <pestilence> change these lines --    session.menuFile:       ~/.fluxbox/menu
[07:00] <_kevin> so apt-get install python-gtk2?
[07:00] <pestilence> and    session.keyFile:        ~/.fluxbox/keys
[07:00] <bob2> _kevin: indeed
[07:00] <_kevin> ok thanks
[07:00] <pestilence> can't explain why that makes such a huge difference, but at this point i don't care :)
[07:00] <Jet2k5> Hello guys, I'm trying once again to play .wmv videos,  but w32codecs has gone missing.  I can't find it anywhere is there another package to handle the formats?
[07:00] <pestilence> it was taking longer than gnome or kde to load.  now it loads in a matter of seconds.
[07:00] <bob2> Jet2k5: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:00] <pfp> pestilence: might be a good idea to publish that somewhere? ,)
[07:01] <_kevin> bob2 it's already installed
[07:01] <bob2> _kevin: awesome
[07:01] <pestilence> pfp: i'm going to put it in the forums, perhaps i need to file a bug too.
[07:01] <_kevin> i guess I'll try to complie the program now
[07:02] <Fabian> Seveas, are you not here?
[07:02] <pixelmonkey> I have a tiny little "behavior", and I want to make sure it's a bug... I recently discovered an old ultra-tiny 20GB hard drive with a PCMCIA adapter that works with ide-cs, which is actually useful to me.  I setup an fstab entry for it, and now when I plug it in, a nautilus window shows up with the drive automounted.  However, the drive doesn't show up in the "Computer" Window, like my other removables do, so that I can unmount them
[07:02] <pixelmonkey>  when I'm done.  Is this a udev issue?
[07:03] <pestilence> i'm curious if the same problem is happening with openbox.  i don't understand why it copies your configuration files over to your home directory but then continues to use system-wide ones.
[07:03] <_kevin> checking for XML::Parser... configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool  how do i get XML::Parser perl module?
[07:03] <Fabian> could someone elst try to help me with my partition problems? seems I need an expert! :D
[07:03] <bob2> _kevin: so, you need to do the basic work yourself before asking on irc
[07:04] <bob2> _kevin: punch that module name into http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[07:04] <yahalom> how is ubuntu as a server?
[07:04] <bob2> outstanding
[07:04] <paueas> what package would contain codecs for windows media videos?
[07:04] <_kevin> ok sorry.. I didn't know these things are already in ubuntu, becau ei goto synaptic and search for py-gtka nd i get no results so i assume it's not instakk
[07:04] <yahalom> bob2, really?
[07:04] <_kevin> install*
[07:04] <GNULinuxer> paueas, w32codecs
[07:04] <bob2> paueas: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[07:05] <bob2> it'd be great if people could read the FAQ, too
[07:05] <yahalom> bob2, like i could set it up for a man?
[07:05] <bob2> yahalom: I don't know what that means
[07:05] <yahalom> bob2, MAN=metropolitan area network
[07:06] <paueas> thanks
[07:06] <bob2> yahalom: I don't know how that differs from anything else, but I'd assume so
[07:06] <Fabian> is there no partition expert in here?
[07:06] <yahalom> bob2, basically a huge lan
[07:06] <GNULinuxer> bob2, which package contains sdl.m4?
[07:06] <hugos> _kevin, http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/M/MS/MSERGEANT/XML-Parser-2.34.tar.gz <--- XML::Parser
[07:07] <GNULinuxer> Fabian,
[07:07] <bob2> GNULinuxer: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[07:07] <riji> "Please configure hardware acceleration.  Exiting."
[07:07] <Jet2k5> bob2: it doesn't talk abou the authentication
[07:07] <bob2> please don't advise peopel to install random things from CPAN
[07:07] <Jet2k5> now what?
[07:07] <riji> where and how do i do that?
[07:07] <bob2> Jet2k5: I have no idea what you mean
[07:07] <Fabian> GNULinuxer, did you read my problem before?
[07:07] <Jet2k5> bob2: you need authentication on the servers
[07:07] <bob2> Jet2k5: if you mean "I tried to use the backports repository and it asked for a password.", then go read the backports web page
[07:07] <Jet2k5> this one doesn't have it
[07:08] <bob2> go read their web page
[07:08] <Jet2k5> shouldn't be a backport
[07:08] <bob2> _kevin: no, XML::Parser is in ubuntu
[07:08] <riji> how do i configure hardware acceleration.
[07:08] <Jet2k5> it is a backport\
[07:09] <dieter> man UBUNTU is nice!
[07:09] <jdodson> i think so.
[07:09] <dieter> very easy to use in fact even for a new one to linux :)
[07:09] <hugos> bob2, where is XML::Parser ?
[07:09] <Nightcr8wl3r> yes it is
[07:09] <bob2> libxml-parser-perl
[07:09] <Nightcr8wl3r> its very nice and simple to use
[07:09] <hugos> ok
[07:10] <dieter> I think the UBUNTU guys have converted me :d
[07:10] <Nightcr8wl3r> they are going a great job
[07:10] <Fabian> GNULinuxer, Got the following partitions on my HD: Windows (Prim/NTFS), Files (Log/FAT 32), Swap (Prim), ext3 (Prim). Now, I'd like to add another ext3 partition at the end of my HD. How can I do this???
[07:10] <madsen> Fabian: with 'parted'
[07:11] <nJess> is it possible to upgrade warty to hoary?
[07:11] <bob2> of course
[07:11] <madsen> Fabian: Don't ask me for details, 'cause I don't remember. :)
[07:11] <nJess> apt-get upgrade?
[07:11] <yakk> nJess, probably apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:11] <nJess> thanks
[07:11] <bob2> nJess: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[07:11] <madsen> nJess: Replace "warty" with "hoary" in your /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:11] <bob2> and make sure you have ubuntu-desktop installed
[07:11] <nJess> if it gets interrupted will i be able to resume?
[07:11] <bob2> nJess: the download? yes.
[07:12] <chrissturm> madsen: did you get e17 working?
[07:12] <nJess> good
[07:12] <nJess> its around 400 megs
[07:12] <madsen> chrissturm: Nope, I stopped trying. Hehe...
[07:12] <pfp> Fabian: hmm, maybe your extended partition doesn't cover all of the free area
[07:12] <nJess> and i am limited to 100 ever 4 hours
[07:12] <nJess> i hate my isp
[07:12] <arkainium> What's recommended after recovering from bad sectors on the hard drive?  The system *appears* to be find and boots up normally.
[07:12] <arkainium> fine*
[07:12] <Fabian> pfp, there are 5 GB unused at the end of the HD
[07:12] <pfp> Fabian: could you paste `fdisk -l /dev/yourdisk` somewhere?
[07:12] <chrissturm> madsen: maybe you want to look at jhbuild and luminocity. its great eye candy
[07:12] <dieter> I was looking for those funny tux backgrounds ... the one where he has the big eyes. Does anyone know where to find these ? I've searched several sites ....
[07:12] <melt_> bjrs
[07:13] <pinko> I hear it's best to get a new drive.
[07:13] <melt_> y a t'il des fr
[07:13] <pinko> because more is bound to go wrong.
[07:13] <melt_> ?
[07:13] <madsen> chrissturm: jhbuild?
[07:13] <madsen> chrissturm: I know luminocity. :)
[07:13] <yakk> madsen, a tool to build stuff from cvs nicely
[07:13] <chrissturm> jhbuild is a script that builds gnome stuff from cvs
[07:13] <pfp> Fabian: my theory is that the 5G isn't  _inside_ the extended partition
[07:13] <madsen> chrissturm, yakk: Nice! :) Gotta check it out sometime soon. :)
[07:13] <Fabian> pfp, in privat
[07:14] <melt_> i search french people for explain me a ubuntu system
[07:14] <chrissturm> madsen, http://live.gnome.org/Luminocity
[07:14] <chrissturm> madsen, it was very straightforward to setup
[07:15] <bob2> be very careful with that
[07:15] <bob2> make sure yo udon't overwrite the ubuntu X and GTK stuff
[07:15] <madsen> chrissturm: Wasn't I the one who introduced you to luminocity, like, yesterday? (Or am I remembering things all wrong?)
[07:15] <chrissturm> bob2, it only installs into /opt
[07:15] <yahalom> is breezy safe yet? or breakage still high?
[07:15] <chrissturm> madsen, i tried it some weeks ago
[07:15] <xxtreme> guys how do you open ports in ubuntu 5.04, I'm trying to open new ports to get faster downloads
[07:15] <madsen> chrissturm: Oh, ok. :)
[07:16] <chrissturm> yahalom, i run it without problems on 2 systems. dunno why ubuntu guys say its not stable
[07:16] <yahalom> chrissturm, how do i get it?
[07:16] <chrissturm> for me its as stable as hoary was at that time
[07:16] <michelts> hi guys,
[07:17] <michelts> is there a way to remaster ubuntu?
[07:17] <madsen> Well, gotta go eat. :)
[07:17] <madsen> chrissturm: Thanks for the link. :) I'll check it out soon. :)
[07:17] <bob2> xxtreme: that's not how networking works
[07:17] <chrissturm> yahalom, i am not recommending it to you, but if you want to still try it, open /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:17] <bob2> xxtreme: ubuntu doesn't have any "closed" ports
[07:17] <chrissturm> yahalom, and change hoary to breezy
[07:17] <anatole> what is the name of the program that displays shadows "under" windows?
[07:17] <xxtreme> thanks bobz
[07:17] <bob2> anatole: transset
[07:18] <anatole> thanks
[07:18] <mjr> anatole, xcompmgr
[07:18] <xxtreme> nmap told me i had lots of closed ones
[07:18] <yahalom> chrissturm, every hoary to breezy?
[07:18] <chrissturm> yahalom, but you will be on your own
[07:18] <chrissturm> yahalom, right
[07:18] <yahalom> chrissturm, used to that
[07:18] <bob2> xxtreme: no, you're misinterpreting it
[07:18] <chrissturm> yahalom, i hang out here, and sometimes i can help
[07:18] <mjr> transset just sets the translucency of a window
[07:18] <xxtreme> ok, thanks so much
[07:19] <chrissturm> hey, there's a metacity branch with luminocity features, anyone know about it?
[07:19] <thenuke> I think some kind of a rule of a thumb is that if one does not know how to upgrade to breezy, one _really_ is not able to handle it :D
[07:19] <madsen> chrissturm: Uh, btw... There's also expocity... (Let me just find a link.)
[07:20] <madsen> chrissturm: http://www.pycage.de/software_expocity.html
[07:20] <madsen> chrissturm: It's a metacity hack.
[07:21] <chrissturm> thx madsen
[07:21] <madsen> chrissturm: np :)
[07:21] <yahalom> chrissturm, ok did it. wish me luck
[07:21] <selinium> Hi all, I have used ssh to connect to my remote webserver. But how do I use it to connect to my PC?
[07:21] <chrissturm> yahalom: did you also sudo apt-get update
[07:21] <pestilence> ok, i have posted my findings at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41950
[07:21] <yahalom> chrissturm, am now
[07:22] <bob2> selinium: the same way
[07:22] <chrissturm> yahalom: be careful with dist-upgrade though
[07:22] <yahalom> chrissturm, getting errors with breezy-backports, no such repo?
[07:22] <yahalom> chrissturm, uncomment it?
[07:22] <chrissturm> yahalom, remove that one
[07:22] <selinium> bob2: is there anyway of testing it without using another pc?
[07:22] <yahalom> chrissturm, dont do dist-upgrade?
[07:22] <bob2> selinium: ssh localhost
[07:23] <chrissturm> yahalom, try dist-upgrade,
[07:23] <bob2> selinium: assuming you installed the ssh server (openssh-server)
[07:23] <chrissturm> yahalom, it will tell you what it wants to do
[07:23] <chrissturm> if it wants to remove a lot of packages, dont do it
[07:23] <pinko> is that opening up a security minefield, to install a ssh server?
[07:23] <bob2> no
[07:23] <pinko> if you don't absolutely need one I mean
[07:23] <bob2> assuming you have a decent password
[07:23] <yahalom> chrissturm, ok thats not good
[07:24] <selinium> bob2: Ah, that is what I am missing then! :)
[07:24] <yahalom> chrissturm, it wants to remove a whole bunch of stuff
[07:24] <yahalom> chrissturm, dont like that
[07:24] <chrissturm> yahalom, thats ok if it also installs about the same amount of new stuff
[07:24] <yahalom> chrissturm, it removes a quarter of what it wants to install
[07:25] <chrissturm> yahalom: does it remove ubuntu-desktop?
[07:25] <yahalom> chrissturm, meaning it wants to install about three times more of what it removes
[07:25] <chrissturm> yahalom: that looks ok then
[07:25] <synd> anyone know how to make gdesklets transparent?
[07:26] <yahalom> chrissturm, no but this concerns me: libsigc++-1.2-5c102 libsigc++-2.0-0 libsmpeg0 to be removed
[07:26] <chrissturm> thats ok
[07:26] <yahalom> chrissturm, ah ok
[07:26] <chrissturm> its because of the c++ transition
[07:26] <thenuke> synd: tried right click on the desklet to configure it?
[07:26] <yahalom> chrissturm, so its safe?
[07:26] <bob2> hand-holding someone to move to breezy is asking for trouble
[07:26] <chrissturm> you will see it installs different versions of these libs
[07:26] <chrissturm> yahalom: i feel a bit bad about that
[07:27] <synd> thenuke: not seeing anything
[07:27] <yahalom> bob2, thats how i moved to ubuntu
[07:27] <yahalom> bob2, :)
[07:27] <thenuke> synd: ok :I maybe it's impossible then, or depending on the desklet
[07:27] <yahalom> chrissturm, i'm not looking for guarantee
[07:27] <bob2> yahalom: what is?
[07:27] <yahalom> chrissturm, lets see. if i dissapear
[07:27] <synd> thenuke: its not impossible.. ive seen screenshots of it
[07:28] <yahalom> bob2, being hand held
[07:28] <chrissturm> yahalom: it could be that X breaks
[07:28] <bob2> that's fine
[07:28] <bob2> but using breezy if you have no idea is a bad bad bad idea
[07:28] <yahalom> chrissturm, so then i do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[07:28] <chrissturm> nope
[07:28] <chrissturm> then you need to get to irc with irssi
[07:28] <bob2> no, hen you go trawling the bug reports to find the fix
[07:28] <chrissturm> or BitchX
[07:28] <yahalom> bob2,  :( too late
[07:28] <Seveas> :)
[07:29] <bob2> yahalom: /topic
[07:29] <yahalom> bob2, i see
[07:29] <chrissturm> yahalom: its not too late now
[07:29] <yahalom> chrissturm, np
[07:29] <pinko> is there a particular debian package for openssh-server?
[07:29] <chrissturm> as long as its still downloading packages
[07:29] <yahalom> chrissturm, why wouldnt dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg work?
[07:29] <bob2> pinko: yes, openssh-server
[07:30] <bob2> pinko: in sarge it was part of the ssh package
[07:30] <thenuke> yahalom: why did you have to upgrade to breezy X-)
[07:30] <Seveas> yahalom, because that only works on working systems
[07:30] <pinko> ah, ok.  I have ssh installed.
[07:30] <chrissturm> yahalom: if the package is badly broken it wont work
[07:30] <Seveas> not on systems that are as broken as breezy
[07:30] <yahalom> thenuke, cos i'm a freak who likes to live on the edge?
[07:30] <yahalom> :)
[07:30] <chrissturm> breezy is not so badly broken
[07:30] <anacron> why the hell xmms menu font is so small i can barely see it
[07:30] <chrissturm> its just not true
[07:30] <bob2> chrissturm: not at the moment it's not
[07:31] <bob2> anacron: install gtk-theme-switch, run switch, fix it
[07:31] <yahalom> chrissturm, ok well if i'll have to reinstall then i'll reinstall
[07:31] <anacron> bob2: k thanks
[07:31] <yahalom> bob2, lets say i want to reverse it, anyway?
[07:31] <chrissturm> yahalom: if you dont have work to do with your system and you are ready to spend some time
[07:31] <chrissturm> yahalom, you could learn some stuff
[07:31] <bob2> yahalom: reintall
[07:32] <yahalom> bob2, thought so :)
[07:32] <yahalom> chrissturm, yeah always a good way to learn linux
[07:32] <thenuke> yahalom: yup, but it is pretty obvious that the breezy _will_ break, and to me it seems as obvious that you dont yet have the skills to fix it and so on :) no offense at all
[07:32] <yahalom> chrissturm, and to drive my family crazy
[07:32] <bob2> yahalom: it's possible to downgrade, but a massive pain in the ass
[07:32] <yahalom> thenuke, not offended :)
[07:32] <anacron> bob2: what next?
[07:33] <ilba7r> frequently when i am running ubuntu and am not openning to much applications the cpu usuage become crazy and the pc just reboots any idea what might cause that
[07:33] <chrissturm> bob2: and you are expecting big breakage in breezy in the future?
[07:33] <yahalom> thenuke, u running breezy?
[07:33] <dieter> ilba7r, maybe heating ?
[07:33] <dieter> same problem under windows ? :)
[07:33] <chrissturm> i thought the big breakage was the toolchain change
[07:33] <thenuke> yahalom: nope :)
[07:33] <chrissturm> and that one has now settled
[07:33] <ilba7r> nope i made sure of that so do not think it is heating
[07:33] <wulfepup> hey hi guys
[07:34] <thenuke> yahalom: I see no reason for using OS that breaks ;D
[07:34] <anacron> hi hello wulfepup!
[07:34] <thenuke> sooner or later
[07:34] <Lafitte-> <-----broke system first day doing breezy upgrade  hahaha
[07:34] <yahalom> thenuke, oh well the tought path is the most fulfilling
[07:34] <yahalom> well if i d/c all of a sudden u guys can laugh, and if not we'll just have to laugh later
[07:34] <ilba7r> the problem is i am working for sometime and all of a sudden i loose my work
[07:35] <bob2> anacron: ? that's all.
[07:35] <bob2> chrissturm: I'd be very surprisde if nothing broke between now and release
[07:35] <yahalom> bob2, all breakage requires a reinstall. surely it can be fixed, unless its like the damn issues i had with gnome.
[07:36] <wulfepup> ok .. with the wiki being tweaked around a bit I've lost how to enable dma on my dvd drive....
[07:36] <SeamusLP> wulfepup:  Check the forums out
[07:37] <anacron> bob2: it's not bigger than before :(
[07:37] <bob2> anacron: did you increase the font size?
[07:37] <thenuke> yahalom: I just have to put you on my notify list and ask you later about your breezy ;D
[07:37] <anacron> bob2: yeah
[07:37] <bob2> yahalom: no gnome issue is going to require a reinstall
[07:37] <bob2> yahalom: and no breakage requires it, either, for people who know what they are doing
[07:37] <anacron> bob2: i'll try to reboot x
[07:38] <wulfepup> SeamusLP: thanks!
[07:38] <chrissturm> yahalom, you will learn a lot about using the console :)
[07:38] <bob2> anacron: that won't help
[07:39] <anacron> bob2: maybe reinstallin' xmms?
[07:39] <bob2> no, that won't help wither
[07:39] <bob2> I'd assume you didn't set it right
[07:40] <bob2> paste your ~/.gtkrc to #flood
[07:40] <wulfepup> speaking of console ... I just found one of my new best friends....  the "commander" for the Gnome panel...  it's a mini command line
[07:40] <zakann> is there ny french channel?
[07:40] <bob2> #ubuntu-fr
[07:40] <TokenBad> I installed the w32codecs and still can't play wmv
[07:40] <TokenBad> any help?
[07:41] <ivoks> TokenBad: mplayer should play them
[07:41] <HiddenWolf> tokenbad, try vlc or mplayer
[07:41] <yahalom> thenuke, cool
[07:41] <yahalom> bob2, so i better start learning
[07:41] <wulfepup> *with tongue firmly in cheek*  TokenBad: try using Windows?  (heheheheheheheheeee)
[07:42] <HiddenWolf> wulfepup, bad boy!
[07:42] <yahalom> chrissturm, yeah well i tried install crux
[07:42] <anacron> bob2: if that should be a file, there's nothing in it, if it's a command it won't work
[07:42] <TokenBad> heheh
[07:42] <wulfepup> hehehehehe
[07:42] <thenuke> yahalom: but do not ask the channel when you got into problems with it ;P
[07:42] <yahalom> chrissturm, and i succeeded after losign my head
[07:42] <ChrisCF> I've recently had problems with one HD, and now e2fsck segfaults while the checking the other
[07:42] <zakann> I try to compile some plugins for beep-media-player, and there's a lot of mistakes. I've installed some packages who resolves some mistakes, but not all. It's a plugins with a install.pl
[07:42] <yahalom> thenuke, what no tech support for breezy in the chan? only forums?
[07:43] <anacron> yahalom: i didn't know even headless people use linux
[07:43] <TokenBad> dman
[07:43] <TokenBad> damn
[07:43] <TokenBad> missed
[07:43] <dieter> lol
[07:43] <Seveas> yahalom, there will indeed be no support for breezy in here
[07:43] <yahalom> anacron, surprise surprise wherever u r:)
[07:43] <ChrisCF> What does it mean when  e2fsck segfaults?
[07:43] <thenuke> yahalom: well I am not sure about it, but I bet that the community does not wish to help every newcomer who willingly breaks his system :D
[07:43] <Choubaka> bad things. :D
[07:43] <bob2> ChrisCF: things are very very screwed
[07:43] <yahalom> Seveas, np
[07:43] <bob2> ChrisCF: I'd assume your kernel is oopsing
[07:43] <ivoks> ChrisCF: maybe it isn't ext2?
[07:43] <thenuke> instead of sticking to the stable distribution
[07:44] <TokenBad> hmm
[07:44] <Seveas> thenuke, indeed :)
[07:44] <TokenBad> mplayer will not open
[07:44] <yahalom> i'll use the forums
[07:44] <TokenBad> just crashes
[07:44] <ChrisCF> ivoks: It's ext3, which is identical but for the journal
[07:44] <bob2> ChrisCF: look at the output of 'dmesg'
[07:44] <ivoks> ChrisCF: i hope you don't use fsck.ext2 for checking ext3 :)
[07:44] <yahalom> chrissturm, how long u been running breezy?
[07:44] <chrissturm> seveas: is is discouraged to help people with breezy?
[07:44] <bob2> no
[07:45] <HiddenWolf> thenuke, problem with breezy atm is that it's still pretty damn broken, toolchain transition and such. Usually half of the channel runs unstable, but now, you'd have to be a devel, or loony, or a glutton for pain. :P
[07:45] <bob2> it's discouraged to tell people to use it
[07:45] <Seveas> chrissturm, of course not
[07:45] <chrissturm> ok
[07:45] <thenuke> chrissturm: obviously you should not courage newbies to upgrade to breezy..
[07:45] <chrissturm> i told him not to do it
[07:45] <Seveas> s/newbies/anyone/
[07:45] <yahalom> yeah he did
[07:45] <thenuke> but you told him how to do it :)
[07:45] <thenuke> I would not do that
[07:45] <yahalom> i just always go for the extreme
[07:45] <anacron> hmm, when i login in my account, first any music won't come out, then i kill esd process with system monitor, and sounds starts work right away, how to fix this?, and i wonder why there is two processes named esd?
[07:45] <yahalom> dive in the deep end
[07:46] <thenuke> one reallly needs to be new to linux if does not know how to do that ;)
[07:46] <Myrtti> /me gets her whip
[07:46] <ivoks> mandriva and lycrois are family now
[07:46] <yahalom> gets me high
[07:46] <thenuke> so it just will hurt the newbie AND the community when newbie comes to ask what to do when it breaks
[07:46] <pestilence> anacron: you can prevent esd from starting through control panel settings.
[07:46] <pierre_> Hello, I'm new to ubuntu and Linux
[07:46] <HiddenWolf> yahalom, try a joint, it's a lot less expensive than your pc, and I bet it'll get you high faster. :)
[07:46] <melrosemrm> channel
[07:46] <ChrisCF> ivoks: Well, what else do you use?
[07:46] <Seveas> pierre_, welcome then :)
[07:46] <pierre_> I installed ubuntu and that was easy ...
[07:46] <pestilence> anacron: i believe one is "multimedia sound system", the other is just "sound"
[07:46] <ChrisCF> (in the absence of a fsck.ext3)
[07:46] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, lol :)
[07:47] <yahalom> HiddenWolf, i dont like anything going through my mouth other than food and drink
[07:47] <HiddenWolf> Seveas, I'm allowed to say that, am I? :)
[07:47] <ivoks> ChrisCF: fsck.ext3
[07:47] <anacron> pestilence: it was sound :)
[07:47] <pestilence> anacron: unselect "start sound system automatically"
[07:47] <pierre_> Put my printer won't work, it a HP PSC-1200 (1210) and it doesn't work
[07:47] <ChrisCF> bob2: last line is: ext3: No journal on filesystem on hdd7
[07:47] <Seveas> ChrisCF, is your kernel is oopsing (something bob2 suggested), run memtest86...
[07:47] <wulfepup> does Ubuntu have a higher ratio of "new to Linux" users than other distros?
[07:47] <anacron> pestilence: but anyway thanks
[07:47] <pestilence> anacron: right, but the other one lets you select teh default sound system, change it to alsa
[07:47] <HiddenWolf> yahalom, I can think of some things, but the puritans here would ban me ;)
[07:47] <ivoks> ChrisCF: i used fsck.ext2 once on ext3... almost get fierd from company
[07:47] <pierre_> I install it via the print option but it doesn't do anything!
[07:47] <yahalom> HiddenWolf, besides the combo would make things much worse
[07:47] <timm-e-J> anyone know if there are any plans to implement some sort of free java implementation into ubuntu (like fedora core 4 did)?
[07:47] <pierre_> what should i do?
[07:47] <Seveas> wulfepup, because it is newbie-friendly
[07:47] <marte_> c' qualcuno che parla italiano per un aiutino?
[07:47] <ChrisCF> ivoks: er, they're the same program
[07:47] <bob2> wulfepup: than some, yes
[07:47] <Miks> how can i have write permisions in some extra hard drive i have? i already mounted it with the "rw" option but if im not root then i cant delete or create files in it
[07:47] <Seveas> pierre_, have you searched the forums/google?
[07:47] <ChrisCF> bob2: last line is: ext3: No journal on filesystem on hdd7
[07:48] <ivoks> ChrisCF: if you belive they are...
[07:48] <Seveas> marte_, #ubuntu-it
[07:48] <bob2> ChrisCF: yes, the last line is no use
[07:48] <pierre_> Well they all say that it should work!
[07:48] <marte_> Seveas, grazie
[07:48] <Seveas> Miks, is it ntfs?
[07:48] <dockane> somebody inhere with expederience regarding phillips saa7134 tv cards (pci) and hoary ?
[07:48] <pepsi> bob2!
[07:48] <bob2> hi
[07:48] <Miks> no..its fat32...vfat
[07:48] <Seveas> Miks, mount it with the option umask=0000
[07:48] <wulfepup> pierre_: That should work oob .. my psc 1610 did  (well printing anyway... scanning I haven't set up yet)
[07:48] <Miks> thanks Seveas
[07:48] <ChrisCF> chris@delyth:~ $ diff /sbin/fsck.ext2 /sbin/fsck.ext3
[07:49] <HiddenWolf> dockane, what's the problem?
[07:49] <ChrisCF> Nothing.
[07:49] <melrosemrm> sorry people, I am a newbie but I really would appreciate any help. I am trying to connect my wireless card to my wireless router. But I don't know how to connect them both.
[07:49] <pierre_> Well this one doesn't even print one thing!
[07:49] <pierre_> How can I check that the connection works ok!
[07:49] <thechitowncubs> I have a few questions about sound on Ubuntu, maybe I could get some answers :). Every time a gaim notifications sounds there is a slight cracking noise either at the beginning and the end, what is the cause of that or is that normal?
[07:49] <ChrisCF> bob2: There's nothing in there that I can see that might be useful
[07:49] <anacron> pestilence: yeah, it works now, you made my day
[07:49] <anacron> if i can say so
[07:49] <Seveas> melrosemrm, go to wiki.ubuntu.com
[07:49] <thechitowncubs> Sound and multimedia seems to be the only thing lacking perfection :)
[07:49] <pestilence> anacron: that was easy :)
[07:49] <Seveas> read the WiFiHoeto
[07:49] <yahalom> how do i tarball my home dir?
[07:50] <shale> when is breezy supposed to be ready?
[07:50] <Seveas> yahalom, tar zcvf /tmp/myhome.tar.gz ~
[07:50] <ChrisCF> I don't think the kernel was oopsing
[07:50] <HiddenWolf> pierre_ wireless networking on linux is a bit tricky, you might have to try a lot to get it working
[07:50] <Seveas> shale, october
[07:50] <anacron> but why the hell there is even such a thing as esd if it makes so much problems and alsa works just fine
[07:50] <ChrisCF> since this has happened with teh same HD in two different machines
[07:50] <dieter> anyone know a good wysiwyg editor in llinux ?
[07:50] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: do you use kubuntu?
[07:50] <yahalom> Seveas, why /tmp?
[07:50] <HiddenWolf> Seveas, leave some for the rest of us ;)
[07:50] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, pierre_ was not asking that :)
[07:50] <Myrtti> dieter: NVU
[07:50] <shale> Seveas, thanks :)
[07:50] <Seveas> yahalom, where else?
[07:50] <thechitowncubs> No, I would be in the
[07:50] <pierre_> HiddenWolf, it is a printer not wireless
[07:50] <pierre_> USB
[07:50] <thechitowncubs> #kubuntu channel if i did :)
[07:50] <Seveas> cannot be in your home, you are tarring that :)
[07:50] <HiddenWolf> pierre_, omg, sorry
[07:50] <Myrtti> dieter: if looking for a (x)HTML-editor
[07:51] <yahalom> Seveas, umm. ok.
[07:51] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: see my suggestion for anacron ... in particular, disable esd.
[07:51] <Razor-X> thechitowncubs: the #kubuntu channel is more or less dead
[07:51] <dieter> Myrtti, yes HTML and PHP editor
[07:51] <thechitowncubs> Ya, I don't use KDE :P
[07:51] <ChrisCF> brb - kitchen ...
[07:51] <Riddell> Razor-X: looks pretty active to me
[07:51] <Seveas> Razor-X, there are 96 people in there
[07:51] <Razor-X> I do ;)
[07:51] <HiddenWolf> pierre_, you'll have to add the printer under places > administration > printers
[07:51] <Seveas> wouldn't call it dead
[07:51] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: which is why my advise to anacron applies to you ;)
[07:51] <thechitowncubs> pestilence: where is your suggestion for anacron and what is it
[07:51] <Razor-X> Riddell: last time I went there, theer were a lot of users and no-one talking
[07:51] <pierre_> HiddenWolf, I did that... and added the correct model
[07:51] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: disable esd.  under the control panel -> sound, uncheck "start sound system automatically"
[07:52] <Razor-X> *there
[07:52] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: under multimedia systems selector, choose alsa.
[07:52] <HiddenWolf> pierre_, stupid, but the printer is on, cables are ok, etc?
[07:52] <yahalom> eight freaking hours!
[07:52] <bkinman> So. I want WineTools, how do i get it
[07:52] <yahalom> what did u guys build!?!?!
[07:52] <dieter> Myrtti, I'm having a look at the NVU website ... thanks mate!
[07:52] <Seveas> pestilence, that's stupid....
[07:52] <HiddenWolf> pierre_, any other usb devices on those ports?
[07:52] <pierre_> Yes cables are in
[07:52] <Seveas> pestilence, ubuntu uses esd, do not advice other ways...
[07:52] <dockane> HiddenWolf, no problem yet. do i have to expect any problems ? what should i read before installing a cinergy 400 pci ?
[07:52] <pierre_> only the mouse
[07:52] <pestilence> Seveas: it is?  i've had issuees with esd.
[07:52] <Razor-X> Seveas: you read my draft yet?
[07:52] <pestilence> Seveas: and clearly i'm not the only one.
[07:53] <dean> mpg
[07:53] <Seveas> pestilence, ok, then help him solve all the problems he'll get without esd..
[07:53] <laxise> how to set up mountpoint pls someone .... man page would be enough ... thx
[07:53] <pestilence> Seveas: until those issues are addressed, i don't think it's unreasonable to scrap esd.
[07:53] <thechitowncubs> pestilence: where is the control panel
[07:53] <Myrtti> laxise: man fstab
[07:53] <Seveas> laxise, for fat or ntfs drives?
[07:53] <pestilence> Seveas: such as?
[07:53] <thechitowncubs> why is it stupid and is there any other solution?
[07:53] <bkinman> Anyone know how i would go about getting wine tools? im not seeing it in the repository, but people in the ubuntu forums are apparently using it.
[07:53] <laxise> ntfs
[07:53] <Seveas> pestilence, other apps suddenly not having sound...
[07:53] <ChrisCF> My dmesg does not contain the word "Oops" either.
[07:53] <pierre_> All looks ok but the printer wont budge
[07:53] <dean> how do I stream mpg content. I can't load windows media player on ubuntu os
[07:53] <HiddenWolf> dockane, I don't have that hardware, but most cards work fine, you'd have more luck if you figure out the chip that's on the card, then use google to check if there's support for that chip in linux
[07:53] <pestilence> Seveas: i have yet to encounter an example of that.
[07:53] <pierre_> what can I do else
[07:54] <Seveas> laxise, download http://ubuntulinux.nl/~dennis/windows_fstab and run tat
[07:54] <ChrisCF> Would it be worth attaching fsck to a debugger for a backtrace?
[07:54] <HiddenWolf> dockane, I'd just put it in, install something like tvtime, and try to make it work.
[07:54] <Razor-X> dean: o cours, Windows Media Player is for Windows, this is Linux ;)
[07:54] <Seveas> ChrisCF, of course :)
[07:54] <LokeDK> Ubuntu's gnome.. is it possible to get all windows in the window list.. and not just for the single desktop? Looked everywhere
[07:54] <Razor-X> dean: VLC has some nice streaming options
[07:54] <dean> how do I get VLC
[07:54] <dockane> HiddenWolf, tvtime is a start. thnx
[07:54] <dieter> Myrtti, this was the mozilla editor no ? I'm looking for something more advanced ... trying quanta plus now
[07:54] <pierre_> anybody any help?
[07:54] <Razor-X> dean: sudo apt-get install vlc
[07:55] <anacron> i think it's vlc-player
[07:55] <Seveas> no, just vlc
[07:55] <dean> what? don't understand the lingo
[07:55] <anacron> ok
[07:55] <anacron> maybe it whas other distro then
[07:55] <Seveas> dean, type in that exact command
[07:55] <Seveas> to install vlc (a good streaming media player)
[07:55] <dean> where do you type it?
[07:55] <HiddenWolf> dockane, if you can't find more than a few channels, try tvtime-scanner
[07:56] <bkinman> Man, this channel is so busy i feel helpless. Where can i find winetools, anyone? i cant apt-get it.
[07:56] <Seveas> dean, in a terminal
[07:56] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: Seveas is entitled to his opinion, but i frankly disagree. disable esd and select alsa, see if that works for you.  if it doesn't you can re-enable it just as easily.  but i have been without esd all my years and never had a problem with plain old alsa.
[07:56] <Seveas> bkinman, wine-utils
[07:56] <thechitowncubs> alright, i'll give it a shot
[07:56] <Seveas> bkinman, apt-cache search wine can help too
[07:56] <Razor-X> I miss school...
[07:56] <HiddenWolf> bkinman, try also #ubuntu-<yourcountrycode> - #ubuntu-fr for french users, for instance
[07:56] <Razor-X> and their free printers on which i'ld print voluminous amounts of pages
[07:57] <Seveas> pestilence, the situation is even worse for my opinion: Ubuntu will ditch esd for breezy :)
[07:57] <pestilence> Seveas: hehe
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> Nice, as long as everything works better :)
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> sound sucks on linux
[07:57] <vol0za> Hello, I have a problem relative to the font rendering in gnome under Hoary. I'm trying to use the Sans font but some characters with diacritics (czech) are taken from a different font - Nimbus Sans L. Text with mixed characters looks really ugly. This problem occurs in all gnome-applications I have tested. Can you direct me to some solution? plz
[07:57] <Seveas> but i will by default support the default of ubuntu
[07:57] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: correction: esd sucks.
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> oh, sry
[07:57] <HiddenWolf> thechitowncubs, it sucks worse on windows :)
[07:58] <thechitowncubs> not from my experience
[07:58] <thechitowncubs> but anyways, pestilence: how can i get my sound working in gaim again
[07:58] <HiddenWolf> vol0za, try installing the msstcorefonts
[07:58] <thechitowncubs> there is no option for alsa in the sound properties
[07:58] <thechitowncubs> and when i select automatic it doesn't work
[07:58] <Seveas> vol0za, try setting the default font to nimbus sans l
[07:58] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, how on earth will that help him..?
[07:58] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: under the control panel "multimedia system selector" choose alsa
[07:58] <HiddenWolf> Seveas, hell of a lot of better fonts, imho
[07:59] <thechitowncubs> I did that already
[07:59] <thechitowncubs> I'm talking about GAIM specifically
[07:59] <vol0za> OK it could be partial solution, but I would like to use the Sans font.
[07:59] <lickety> has anyone tried debian 3.1 stable?
[07:59] <ChrisCF> Grr.  How do I attach?
[07:59] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, but he'll still have to set that up....
[07:59] <ChrisCF> gdb doesn't seem to like the program being started with arguments
[07:59] <gahan> who uses gnome? my shutdown/turn off ability disappeared! wtf? i can only logout, i cant even turnoff/halt from gdm. sure i can type sudo halt etc. but my daddy can not :) help!:)
[07:59] <Seveas> gdb <program>
[07:59] <ChrisCF> since even with or without -- it thinks the arguments are for it
[07:59] <thechitowncubs> gahan: i use gnome :)
[07:59] <Seveas> and in gsb add the args
[07:59] <vol0za> I forget to mention the I tried the same on Debian Sarge and it work OK
[08:00] <HiddenWolf> seveas, just installing them made my ride smoother. :)
[08:00] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: well, i guess Seveas may be right in this case, although i don't understand it.  i don't use sounds in gaim, and don't have sound on this machine to test it in any event.  so just re-enable esd :)
[08:00] <thechitowncubs> that sucks :)
[08:00] <Seveas> vol0za, try to figure where sarge differs from ubuntu in this then :)
[08:00] <ChrisCF> Seveas: How do I do that?
[08:00] <thechitowncubs> So sound does suck in linux after all
[08:00] <Seveas> ChrisCF, man gdb
[08:00] <Seveas> :)
[08:00] <pepsi> thechitowncubs, why do you want gaim sounds anyhow?
[08:00] <ChrisCF> (preferably without spending 6 hours in the man page)
[08:01] <pestilence> pepsi: exactly :)
[08:01] <bleck> Hey, anyone tried to install VMware?  It's asking for the location of the C header files, and ive downloaded the kernel-header package, but not sure where its locate... seems it was to go to /usr/src/linux/include... any ideas?
[08:01] <pierre_> can nobody help me?
[08:01] <thechitowncubs> so i know when i get a message
[08:01] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, you can set gaim to use alsa instead of esd
[08:01] <HiddenWolf> thechitowncubs, sound sucks on every distro :P
[08:01] <thechitowncubs> Thats why i said linux
[08:01] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: enable the message notification plugin
[08:01] <Seveas> bleck, aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:01] <vol0za> Seveas, good point :)
[08:01] <thechitowncubs> Seveas: I don't see that option
[08:01] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: then you don't need the sounds
[08:01] <ChrisCF> Seveas: Man page doesn't say
[08:01] <lickety> that's not true, sound generally sucks if you're using esd, and most distros do
[08:01] <thechitowncubs> what does the notification do
[08:01] <ChrisCF> Either that, or it hides it very well
[08:01] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, tools->prefs->sound
[08:01] <bleck> seveas: thanks!
[08:02] <thechitowncubs> i don't have that option
[08:02] <thechitowncubs> i mean
[08:02] <Seveas> change sound method from auto to alsa
[08:02] <thechitowncubs> i have that
[08:02] <thechitowncubs> but i don't have the alsa option
[08:02] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: you can have it blink the window (a la windows) or just change the window title so that it has a * or a * + new message count
[08:02] <pestilence> thechitowncubs: it's nice.
[08:02] <dean> how do you change ones rep
[08:02] <thechitowncubs> i'm gonna try it
[08:02] <Seveas> change to 'command' and use aplay then :)
[08:02] <Seveas> dean: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:03] <thechitowncubs> seveas: that worked but the problem i had in the first place still exists
[08:03] <thechitowncubs> maybe its a gaim problem
[08:03] <Seveas> ChrisCF, look better
[08:03] <Seveas> run arglist
[08:04] <Seveas> around line 50 of the manpage
[08:04] <ChrisCF> *sigh*
[08:04] <ChrisCF> That would explain why searching "/argument" didn't find it
[08:04] <erb> hi
[08:04] <Seveas> hi
[08:04] <gahan> wtf
[08:04] <ChrisCF> Why can't people write *useful* man pages?
[08:04] <gahan> is there gnome menu editor?
[08:04] <ChrisCF> :)
[08:04] <thechitowncubs> gahan:
[08:04] <rt_> attempting to compile 2.6.11.12 kernel; make menuconfig fails with cp: too many input files  make: scripts/basic/fixdep Error 1  scripts_basic Error 2 -- can someone suggest where to start fixing this?
[08:04] <thechitowncubs> sudo apt-get install smeg
[08:04] <thechitowncubs> if you have backports enabled
[08:04] <gahan> smeg?
[08:04] <HiddenWolf> ChrisCF, because they're clueless coding nerds, who don't like usability nearly as much as cool new code? ;)
[08:04] <thechitowncubs> Simple Menu Editor for Gnome
[08:05] <sam2> where do people usually install programs in linux?
[08:05] <sam2> whats the equivalent of "Program files"
[08:05] <gahan> backports is a source in sources.list?
[08:05] <thechitowncubs> gahan: next time check out www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:05] <Seveas> rt_, why on earth do you compile your own kernel and why on earth dont you use make-kpkg for that??
[08:05] <Seveas> sam2, usually you let your package manager do that
[08:05] <raptoid> hi dudes..
[08:05] <raptoid> please help me!!!
[08:05] <Seveas> sam2, there is no equivalent to Program Files, since linux works completely different
[08:05] <raptoid> my problem: i have advdrw which otomaticly start and mount,now i put also a cdrw on pc but now the both don't funtion ;What can j do?fstab is otomaticly add dvdrw and cd room when they go out i make dev/hdb to dev/hdc  i can mount like so but the problem persist on otomatics.What can i do?
[08:05] <rt_> need to compile in rtai real time extensions
[08:05] <gahan> ok i got it
[08:06] <raptoid> help..
[08:06] <gahan> thx
[08:06] <Seveas> rt_, ok, so use make-kpkg and the ubuntu sources then
[08:06] <raptoid> Seveas, hi man..
[08:06] <raptoid> help me.
[08:06] <Seveas> just edit them to your needs
[08:06] <rt_> thanks will try that
[08:06] <thechitowncubs> One thing I don't understand is why people complain about Fonts so much in Ubuntu.
[08:07] <erb> raptoid, edit your /etc/fstab
[08:07] <Seveas> raptoid, if i understand you correctly, you added a piece of hardware to your machine, right?
[08:07] <ivoks> sam2: windows is only operating system with that stoopidity
[08:08] <holycow> ivoks, rofl
[08:08] <ivoks> :)
[08:08] <raptoid> Seveas, yes
[08:08] <Seveas> sam2, if you want to know the gory details, google for debian filesystem hierarchy standard
[08:08] <pierre_> Well the port was wrong... Ubuntu look after lpt and not usb port for the printer
[08:08] <raptoid> add a cdrw
[08:08] <holycow> ivoks, every windows user i run into that wants to try linux, i tell them to forget everything they learned on windows
[08:08] <holycow> because its all wrong
[08:09] <holycow> its amazing how far ms has gone to train people all the wrong things
[08:09] <Seveas> raptoid, ok, and you didn't change the cable plugged into the dvdrw?
[08:09] <HiddenWolf> sam2, ubuntu and debian have a large database with software, which you can install with one command using synaptic or apt-get. As long as the software is in there, all you'll ever need to know about installing it is pressing "install" and clicking the launcher/shortcut
[08:09] <Miks> is it bad if i have the "nosuid" and "nodev" options in my hard disk at startup?
[08:10] <Seveas> raptoid, can you paste your fstab on paste.ubuntulinux.nl and include the info about which drive is primary/secondary master/slave please
[08:10] <raptoid> Seveas, NO dont change cable
[08:10] <Seveas> Miks, if it's the disk that's mounted on /: yes
[08:10] <raptoid> Seveas, ok
[08:10] <Seveas> otherwise: no
[08:10] <raptoid> 1 minute.
[08:10] <Allergique> Someone know where to find a guide for custom ubuntu (desktop, login, theme...) ? Gnome-look is full of contents but no information!
[08:10] <Seveas> Allergique, art.gnome.org/faq.php
[08:11] <Miks> well...because in the FSTAB they are not present....nosuid and nodev...but when the system is starting it says mounting vfat options rw,user,nosuid,nodev,umask=0000
[08:11] <Seveas> Miks, the option user implies nosuid,noexec
[08:11] <Allergique> yhanks
[08:11] <Miks> so...should i remove it?
[08:11] <Allergique> thanks
[08:11] <sorush20> Hi guys how do I activate DMA for my DVD player, when I play the DVD its a little jumpy, does anyone know the command line for this... ?
[08:12] <Seveas> and it's ok for an extra fat32 partition since that should not contain linux-specific data
[08:12] <Beuno> Hey, I just installed a new DVD recorder, I can mount CDs and read em with no problem, but now I want to burn DVDs from my Ubuntu Server with "cdrecord", and Im not being able to get it to recognize it. Can anyone point me the right way?
[08:12] <raptoid> Seveas, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/79
[08:12] <chrissturm> i have a problem with nautilus-cd-burner. when burning dvds it works fine, but when i burn a cd it doenst seem to use burn proof, and i get underruns and the burn fails
[08:12] <erb> Beuno, why dont use k3b?
[08:13] <sam2> Seveas, but when i find a program that i can only get the source for?
[08:13] <Seveas> raptoid, so the old dvdrw is secondary master right?
[08:13] <Beuno> erb: I dont have an X server, just plain console
[08:13] <Seveas> sam2, then you install it into /usr/local
[08:13] <erb> ehh, ok
[08:13] <optik`> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/80
[08:13] <erb> sry
[08:13] <Beuno> :)
[08:13] <optik`> you didnt have a space between ntfs and ro
[08:13] <eruin> anyone here know how I might create a python script that would display current playing song in rhythmbox?
[08:14] <Seveas> optik, unrelated, might be due to copypasting :)
[08:14] <optik> true :P
[08:14] <raptoid> Seveas, yes dvdrw secondary master
[08:14] <HiddenWolf> eruin, there is surely a plugin for that, otherwise ask in #rhythmbox on irc.gnome.org
[08:14] <Seveas> raptoid, and you have 2 hard drives?
[08:14] <eruin> thanks HiddenWolf ;)
[08:14] <raptoid> yes Seveas
[08:14] <Seveas> the second harddrive as secondary slave?
[08:14] <HiddenWolf> eruin: plugin / -> applet
[08:15] <Seveas> raptoid, and the new cdrw is primary slave?
[08:15] <eruin> HiddenWolf, I've found a plugin, but I don't think it works with the 0.9 branch of rb
[08:15] <raptoid> hdd1 --> primary master hdd2 --> secondary slave dvdrw --> secondary slave --> cdrw primary slave
[08:16] <Beuno> any ideas on how to  get cdrecord to recognize my DVDRW?
[08:16] <Seveas> raptoid, then your fstab looks ok, does /media/cdrom1 exist as a directory?
[08:16] <HiddenWolf> erruin, bug the devels, and your bad for running edge software. :P
[08:16] <raptoid> yep mkdir cdrom1
[08:16] <sam2> HiddenWolf, yeah apt-get works pretty fine so far. But if I find a program that isn't in the repositories I was wondering where people usually put those.
[08:16] <Seveas> raptoid, then what is the error you get?
[08:17] <HiddenWolf> sam2, to keep things nice and clear, you can put them in /opt (optional stuff)
[08:17] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, no
[08:17] <Seveas>  /usr/local is the fhs standard
[08:17] <GatoLoko^> is there some way to install a deb package when dpkg is broken? (sorry, my english isn't very good)
[08:17] <Seveas> GatoLoko^, dpkg -i filename.deb
[08:18] <GatoLoko^> Seveas dpkg dont work
[08:18] <optik> when dpkg is broken.....
[08:18] <GatoLoko^> xD
[08:18] <optik> how did you break it?
[08:18] <Seveas> GatoLoko^, what goes wrong then?
[08:18] <gge> ...
[08:18] <GatoLoko^> i'm trying to install dpkg after a downgrade from breezy to hoary
[08:18] <Seveas> heh
[08:18] <Seveas> downgrades are almost impossible
[08:19] <raptoid> hdd1 - primary master --- cdrw - primary slave --- cdrw - secondary master ---- hdd2 - secondary slave
[08:19] <Seveas> and breezy is not supported in here...
[08:19] <GatoLoko^> all the other packages are working good
[08:19] <raptoid> there is no error , but the problem is device doesn't get started before I mount them manually
[08:19] <raptoid> Seveas..
[08:19] <Seveas> raptoid, hmm
[08:19] <Seveas> auto-mounting is not the task of fstab
[08:19] <raptoid> I just want it to become automaticly
[08:20] <GatoLoko^> Seveas i dont ask for help on downgrade, i ask for help to install a package without dpkg
[08:20] <pepsi> ;)
[08:20] <Seveas> GatoLoko^, there is no easy way of doing that
[08:20] <GatoLoko^> may be extracting de files from the deb and putting by hand
[08:20] <raptoid> Seveas, my fstab correct ?
[08:20] <Seveas> GatoLoko^, you could try unpacking it, executing the preinstall scripts, copying files and exectuing postinstall scripts
[08:21] <Seveas> raptoid, yes
[08:21] <raptoid> what can I do?
[08:21] <raptoid> auto mounting..
[08:21] <Seveas> raptoid, dunno, I don't know exactly is responsible for the automounting
[08:21] <nubbe> Why is cupsd using cpu sometimes even tho I don't have any printer?
[08:21] <Seveas> maybe you've disabled it in gnome
[08:21] <GatoLoko^> dpkg dont put some info in a database of installed packages?
[08:22] <Seveas> GatoLoko^, it does
[08:22] <Seveas> but you can install dpkg properly once it is running again :)
[08:22] <Beuno> Sorry to insist but, I just installed a new DVD recorder, I can mount CDs and read em with no problem, but now I want to burn DVDs from my Ubuntu Server with "cdrecord", and Im not being able to get it to recognize it. Can anyone point me the right way?
[08:23] <Seveas> raptoid, look at system->preferences->removable drives and media
[08:23] <chrissturm> beuno: does it work with nautilus-cd burner?
[08:23] <Seveas> raptoid, maybe something's wrong there
[08:23] <Seveas> chrissturm, it's a machine without X
[08:23] <fabbione> Beuno: use growisofs
[08:23] <GatoLoko^> i tried to unpack and run the scripts but it isn't working yet, may be i must edit de database :?
[08:23] <fabbione> Beuno: much better than cdrecord for DVD
[08:24] <Seveas> GatoLoko^, no idea, i never tried this myself
[08:24] <Seveas> i was never so stupid to upgrade to breezy :)
[08:24] <HiddenWolf> Seveas, any clue as to when it'll be more or less safeish?
[08:24] <GatoLoko^> Beuno cdrecord can't write dvd (yet)
[08:24] <concept10> Anyone use hoary for server?
[08:24] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, ENOCLUE
[08:24] <Seveas> concept10, yes, I do
[08:25] <GNULinuxer> hi, i just installed ubuntu on a friend's box with intel 845 chipset ... but the resolution is just 640x480
[08:25] <GNULinuxer> any solutions?
[08:25] <concept10> Seveas, what are you using for your stack
[08:26] <Seveas> stack?
[08:26] <Fabian> pfp, can't boot from my knoppix cd :(
[08:26] <Seveas> GNULinuxer: To find out ho you can change your dispplay's resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:26] <concept10> what version of apache, etc.
[08:26] <pfp> Fabian: damn
[08:26] <Fabian> pfp, could GRUB be making any problems?
[08:26] <transgress> running chmod -R +x on a music folder should be alright correct?
[08:26] <pfp> Fabian: what about ubuntu installer, or ubuntu live
[08:26] <Seveas> concept10, ubuntu-provided apache2, php4, mysql, courier, freenx from backports
[08:27] <Fabian> pfp, I don't have a ubuntu CD
[08:27] <deviant> hello
[08:27] <bartekp> transgress: +X is better imho
[08:27] <pfp> Fabian: i dont think grub should be a problem. have you set your BIOS to boot from CD?
[08:27] <Seveas> concept10, that is: only freenx from backports, the rest from ubuntu (please do not misread that line)
[08:27] <deviant> can anyone help me install drivers for a radeon 9600 video card?
[08:27] <Fabian> pfp, yep I even chose it manually from the multi boot menu
[08:27] <Seveas> deviant: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:28] <pfp> Fabian: strange... it still goes directly to grub?
[08:28] <Fabian> hi Seves, got a problem again! :D
[08:28] <Fabian> pfp, yep
[08:28] <transgress> bartekp: well i'm just trying to make the mp3's writeable because i had them backed up on a dvd...
[08:28] <holycow> you know, the evolution integration with the calendar applet is nifty
[08:28] <Seveas> transgress, +x isn't writeable
[08:28] <Seveas> +w is
[08:28] <Seveas> preferablu just u+w
[08:28] <holycow> having a quick appointment list dropdown with the applet is great
[08:28] <transgress> oh oops i meant +w
[08:28] <Seveas> fabbione, what's the problem?
[08:28] <concept10> Seveas, they changed the wiki?
[08:29] <xiaogil> The French dictionary Le Petit Robert used to work on Debian with Wine, but it doesn't work anymore. Is someone interested that I send him the ISO of this dictionary to try to make it work ?
[08:29] <Seveas> concept10, yes
[08:29] <concept10> looks nice
[08:29] <transgress> for some reason typed +x... what does adding the u+w do to it?
[08:29] <Fabian> Seveas, can't boot knoppix.....
[08:29] <pfp> Fabian: hmm, i would try with another cd if you have a fast connection etc
[08:29] <Seveas> transgress, that makes it writable only for the owner
[08:29] <Seveas> Fabian, check out your bios
[08:29] <Fabian> pfp, got DSL
[08:29] <Seveas> make sure it boots from CD first
[08:29] <Fabian> Seveas, it is set correctly....
[08:29] <Seveas> and make sure your knoppix cd is bootable
[08:29] <transgress> Seveas: ah thanks muches
[08:30] <pfp> Fabian: 650MB shouldn't be a problem then?
[08:30] <Fabian> Seveas, it is bootable, tried on another PC
[08:30] <Seveas> Fabian, then it's not correct in the bios :)
[08:30] <Fabian> pfp, ehm... takes a littel while.... but where to get`?
[08:30] <Seveas> or your cd drive is broken :)
[08:30] <Fabian> Seveas, it is correct, my XP CD is booting! :D
[08:30] <Seveas> ghe
[08:30] <Fabian> Seveas, it is VERY strange :D
[08:31] <dr_willis> sounds like a badly burnt cd.
[08:31] <Seveas> indeed :)
[08:31] <pfp> :O
[08:31] <dr_willis> but thats odd...
[08:31] <Seveas> and indeed to dr_willis too
[08:31] <gahan> how do i allow shutdown/reboot from gnome session ?
[08:31] <Fabian> dr_willis, no, it boots on another PC
[08:31] <Fabian> :D
[08:31] <dr_willis> dust :P
[08:31] <dr_willis> thumbprints?
[08:31] <dr_willis> hit it with a hammer..
[08:31] <Seveas> lol
[08:31] <bartekp> (;
[08:31] <Fabian> dr_willis, no, it boots exactly the way it is now! and I've just cleaned it
[08:32] <rgould> How do I get Nautilus to display the directory tree on the left while I browse?
[08:32] <Seveas> rgould, check nautilus' options
[08:32] <dr_willis> Fabian,  thats it - you cleaned off all the bits!
[08:32] <[v2hja] > hello
[08:32] <rgould> Seveas, I have checked them all, several times
[08:32] <mjr> rgould, browse mode is the thing you want
[08:32] <dr_willis> rgould,  Nautilus has 2  styles. :P ones a nice simple one. the other - can show that.. heh.
[08:32] <Seveas> rgould, sorry
[08:32] <pfp> Fabian: it could even be that your brand of media isn't compatible w/ your drive... (and the XP cd is factory-made of course ;)
[08:32] <toran> where should I go to add a new network device in kubuntu?
[08:32] <Seveas> rgould, in the nautilus menu: view -> side pane
[08:33] <Seveas> toran, #kubuntu :)
[08:33] <rgould> Seveas, yeah, that option is missing =\
[08:33] <Fabian> pfp, Seveas, where do I get a live CD I can burn with windows? is that possible?
[08:33] <Seveas> rgould, then you might need to enable broeser mode
[08:33] <[v2hja] > Seveas
[08:33] <Seveas> browser*
[08:33] <Beuno> cdrecord doesnt record DVDs??? anyone know how I can burn DVDs from console?
[08:33] <pfp> Fabian: you can burn any cd w/ proper software, eg. nero
[08:33] <Seveas> and that is in the options, under behaviour "always open in browser windows"
[08:33] <Fabian> pfp, my Laptop is only half a year old, and the other PC about 4! can't be the CD.....
[08:33] <dr_willis> rgould,  right click on a folder and select 'browse'
[08:33] <toran> Seveas: they don't answer questions in there v_v
[08:34] <Seveas> toran, hmm :)
[08:34] <randabis> yes they do
[08:34] <Beuno> fabbione: growisofs is for console?
[08:34] <rgould> awesome!
[08:34] <rgould> thanks guys
[08:34] <Seveas> toran, just edit /etc/interfaces
[08:34] <fabbione> Beuno: yes
[08:34] <Seveas> copy the eth0 lines and in the new lines change eth0 to eth1
[08:34] <randabis> there just isn't always people available to help in kubuntu
[08:34] <Seveas> (if both are wired of course)
[08:34] <[v2hja] > could someone troubleshoot me ?
[08:34] <sam2> so seveas says /usr/local and HiddenWolf says /opt
[08:34] <Beuno> fabbione:   thank you very much!!  gonno give it a try!   Any chance its on apt-get?
[08:34] <Seveas> sam2, the standard is /usr/local
[08:35] <Seveas> but /opt is widely used on systems that adhere les to the standard
[08:35] <fabbione> Beuno: it's part of the default install.. it should already be there
[08:35] <Fabian> pfp, where to get a system? Is knoppix downloadable as iso file?
[08:35] <pfp> Fabian: there's http://www.knoppix-std.org/download.html and http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/ubuntu-cdimage/5.04/
[08:35] <Seveas> but un #ubuntu you really should use /usr/local
[08:35] <sam2> Seveas, all right, thats what i was wondering, thanks
[08:35] <Beuno> fabbione: -bash: growisofs: command not found
[08:35] <delire> Seveas: always wondered about this. installing rpm's on a debian systems sometimes results in this dir being created.
[08:35] <delire> s/a//
[08:35] <Seveas> [v2hja] , what's the problem?
[08:36] <[v2hja] > ati :D
[08:36] <Seveas> delire, that's since rpms suck :)
[08:36] <Razor-X> Seveas: have you read my draft?
[08:36] <Seveas> [v2hja] , ouch
[08:36] <SmokingFire> Hi, I read once somewhere/someplace that if you have a modern AMD Athlon CPU it's better to use the Intel optimized kernel then the AMD optimized kernel as the AMD optimized kernel doesn take into account that the athlon has SSE unit.
[08:36] <delire> Seveas: it would appear they do, yes.
[08:36] <[v2hja] > did like the wiki said
[08:36] <[v2hja] > nothing
[08:36] <Seveas> Razor-X, no not yet, been to busy today comparing D-BUS, DCOP and Toolbus for a paper i write
[08:36] <[v2hja] > ati CP is installed
[08:36] <SmokingFire> brb
[08:36] <fabbione> Beuno: apt-get install dvd+rw-tools
[08:36] <[v2hja] > but thw wrong GL vendor
[08:36] <Razor-X> SmokingFire: doubt it, but ask around
[08:36] <Razor-X> Seveas: heh, ok
[08:36] <[v2hja] > *but there is wrong GL wendor
[08:37] <TokenBad> can someone tell me why mplayer might not be working and crashing?
[08:37] <Seveas> [v2hja] , ati is a beast unfortunately :(
[08:37] <Razor-X> I'm a gonna look for a gooad "Learn TCP/IP in 24 hours" thing
[08:37] <Razor-X> *good
[08:37] <Seveas> [v2hja] , i can give you my xorg.conf, it works wit ati drivers
[08:37] <chrissturm> v2hja: do you use the fglrx driver from the ubuntu repo?
[08:37] <Beuno> fabbione: dling, thanks, youve been very helpfull
[08:37] <Fabian> pfp, takes a loooooong time... hehe
[08:37] <[v2hja] > Seveas but it is possible to sterilize that beast
[08:37] <gge> s/24 hours/3 seconds/
[08:37] <[v2hja] > Seveas
[08:37] <[v2hja] > vait
[08:37] <[v2hja] > reboot
[08:38] <Seveas> [v2hja] , http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/76
[08:38] <TokenBad> or recomend another player that will do wmv?
[08:38] <delire> [v2hja] : this is what i do. download the rpm, convert it to a debian package with alien; install it with dpkg; cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod && sh make.sh; exit X; cd /lib/modules/fglrx && sh make_install.sh; restart X; done
[08:38] <Seveas> delire, ouch
[08:38] <Seveas> you should not do that...
[08:38] <fabbione> Beuno: welcome
[08:38] <pfp> Fabian: oh, there'a smaller cd that might be enough http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
[08:38] <Fabian> pfp, I'll get the DVD too tomorrow at uni.... is a bit faster than here
[08:38] <delire> Seveas: bah, it's not so bad
[08:39] <Beuno> fabbione: any idea if theres a frontend for webmin for this?
[08:39] <Seveas> delire, and that will not solve the configuration problem at all
[08:39] <delire> Seveas: it's worked since ati started shipping drivers.
[08:39] <Seveas> delire, things changed since then...
[08:39] <delire> oh, and edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to include 'radeon'
[08:39] <delire> Seveas: not here, just installed the feb 5 driver today
[08:39] <Fabian> pfp, isn't this just a install CD?
[08:40] <delire> Seveas: what "configuration problems"?
[08:40] <Seveas> delire, can you send my your xorg.conf for comparison please
[08:40] <sam2> Does ubuntu not come with an "acceptable C compiler" ?
[08:40] <Seveas> s/my/me/
[08:40] <Seveas> sam2, of course it does :)
[08:40] <pfp> Fabian: it should have fdisk / sfdisk, you shouldn't need anything else for the partition stuff
[08:40] <Seveas> sam2, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[08:40] <Razor-X> sam2: gcc, of course ;)
[08:40] <delire> Seveas: on my laptop here, also with the same driver though debian. will upload my XF86Config-4
[08:41] <Seveas> thnx
[08:41] <pfp> Fabian: ... if you're still going to do that :)
[08:41] <Fabian> pfp, sure! :D can restore it anytime
[08:41] <delire> Seveas: anyway, one should *always* generate the config using fglrxconfig
[08:41] <Tiboz> hello
[08:41] <Fabian> pfp, ah.... it does not support usb-sticks. And it has to!!!!
[08:41] <Seveas> delire, that has so far only created non-working things for me
[08:41] <Tiboz> anyone knows when breezy will bu usable ?
[08:41] <delire> Seveas: modelines and clonemode, fb etc.
[08:41] <pfp> Fabian: a little adventure, good ;)
[08:42] <Seveas> couldn't start X with a single one of them
[08:42] <pfp> Fabian: ah, damn
[08:42] <delire> Seveas: just backup your original and diff it if you run into any major issues. not much can go wrong.
[08:42] <Fabian> pfp, I'm gonna download the ubuntu live cd for the sake of usb support
[08:42] <pfp> Fabian: cool
[08:42] <delire> Seveas: http://selectparks.net/julian/XF86Config-4
[08:43] <[v2hja] > Seveas,
[08:43] <[v2hja] > http://rafb.net/paste/results/owT23z41.html
[08:43] <dabII> any idea when the famous firefox 1.0.2 -> 1.0.4 patch is coming?
[08:43] <[v2hja] > my cfg
[08:43] <Fabian> pfp, maybe I'll get the DVD install/live tomorrow.... but... If i have my LSF System, I'll be useless.... mmmhhh
[08:43] <delire> [v2hja] : see  http://selectparks.net/julian/XF86Config-4 for a working config.
[08:43] <Razor-X> dabII: because of the security updates, Firefox 1.0.2 in the repos == 1.0.4
[08:43] <randabis> Razor-X: partially correct
[08:43] <[v2hja] > delire,
[08:43] <randabis> 1.0.4 has more than security updates
[08:43] <Kyynara> could someone tell me why this is happening? http://pastebin.com/300014
[08:43] <Razor-X> randabis: they changed that?
[08:44] <delire> [v2hja] : consider backing up your config and using fglrxconfig to generate a ati customised config for you. rename it to xorg.conf (from XF86Config-4).
[08:44] <[v2hja] > but i am using x org
[08:44] <Razor-X> 1.0.4: well, ok then, glad i'm not a firefox user ;)
[08:44] <delire> [v2hja] : doesn't matter, there is next to no difference between them.
[08:44] <pfp> Fabian: hmm, are you using LFS now or just planning to install it?
[08:44] <randabis> Razor-X: no, you're right about the patches, but firefox 1.0.4 contains more than security updates
[08:44] <Razor-X> I understand, randabis
[08:44] <Seveas> delire, do you have opengl transparency working?
[08:44] <Fabian> pfp, planing. haven't done yet. Thats why I need to do that partitioning stuff....
[08:44] <randabis> the real 1.0.4 is available from ubuntu backports
[08:45] <sam2> what is this aptitude thing?
[08:45] <sam2> some graphical version of apt-get?
[08:45] <sam2> or "graphical" as in text-mode menus
[08:45] <pfp> Fabian: ah, ok
[08:45] <dabII> well.. any way to cheat the mozilla version test to access addons?
[08:45] <Razor-X> sam2: better package manager
[08:45] <Seveas> randabis, the ubuntu supplied one is also 1.0.4
[08:45] <randabis> dabII: yes; you edit about:config
[08:45] <[v2hja] > Delgul,
[08:45] <[v2hja] > delire,
[08:45] <dabII> randabis
[08:45] <delire> Seveas: in windows? no, don't use it. i use a ratpoison like wm
[08:45] <randabis> Seveas: not entirely
[08:45] <dabII> randabis: eh lol wont help
[08:45] <Seveas> without the new bugs introduces :)
[08:45] <[v2hja] > i can see lotsa diferences
[08:46] <delire> [v2hja] : that's because mine is generated using ati's 'fglrxconfig
[08:46] <Fabian> pfp, If i burn that iso file, it will burn bit by bit, even if the programm can't read the files?
[08:46] <Seveas> delire, i have fglrx working perfectly except for opengl transparency
[08:46] <dabII> randabis: i tried changing comment to Ubuntu package 1.0.4~5.04ubp1+1.0.2
[08:46] <Seveas> and supertux needs that :)
[08:46] <Fabian> pfp, remember, I'm burning in Windows!
[08:46] <delire> Seveas: ahah, composite mode?
[08:46] <Seveas> yes...
[08:46] <Kyynara> could someone tell me why this is happening? http://pastebin.com/300014
[08:46] <Thorrn4> hello!! I just put in a DATA CD in my dvd/cd drive...how can I read it, to take the files off?
[08:46] <[v2hja] >     Option "XkbRules"	"xfree86"
[08:46] <yourghetek> whats that command to find somebody in irc?
[08:46] <[v2hja] > and there us mire
[08:46] <delire> Seveas: right, no idea. see no need to use it so haven't bothered. i have no desktop per se.
[08:46] <[v2hja] > more
[08:46] <randabis> dabII: I edited a line that said 1.0 to 1.0.4 and it worked
[08:46] <Seveas> :)
[08:47] <Seveas> [v2hja] , you should NOT use delires config
[08:47] <dabII> randabis: name?
[08:47] <pfp> Fabian: umm, yes, it should. as long as you burn it as an _image_ (nero has this feature) and not as a file...
[08:47] <delire> [v2hja] : that's all put in there with fglrxconfig.
[08:47] <Seveas> that one is made for debian/XFree
[08:47] <randabis> dabII: I'll have to look
[08:47] <Seveas> ubuntu uses Xorg
[08:47] <dabII> randabis: please..
[08:47] <[v2hja] > i tought so
[08:47] <Seveas> but so take the good things from it :)
[08:47] <Seveas> dabII, run apt-get update
[08:47] <Seveas> heh and don't use marillat
[08:48] <pfp> Fabian: and i think the cd is in iso9660 (-compatible) format anyway so you should be able to see it's contents in windows too
[08:48] <Seveas> marillat's server is buggy now
[08:48] <delire> Seveas [v2hja] : there is little difference. when fglrxconfig generated an almost identical config on my xorg box, i just renamed it to xorg.conf and it worked perfectly.
[08:48] <[v2hja] > http://rafb.net/paste/results/owT23z41.html Seveas  ------- this is mine ......... i have no idea what to take from delire 's conf ... could someone mix something up
[08:48] <delire> up to you
[08:48] <Fabian> pfp, I can't see knoppix though in Windows!
[08:48] <Thorrn4> hello!! I just put in a DATA CD in my dvd/cd drive...how can I read it, to take the files off?
[08:48] <delire> no harm in trying. just roll back to your old one if it's b0rks
[08:48] <Seveas> Thorrn4, go to places->computer
[08:48] <[v2hja] > but
[08:48] <Seveas> and open the drive there...
[08:48] <Kyynara> Seveas: so that's the only reason, marillat is buggy?
[08:49] <[v2hja] > my modelines
[08:49] <Seveas> Kyynara, his server is buggy now
[08:49] <deviant> Seveas: ok. i`ve installed the ati drivers, but now i can`t change my screen resolution :(
[08:49] <Kyynara> ok
[08:49] <Seveas> that'll be solved...
[08:49] <pfp> Fabian: and there are lots of files, visible on the knoppix cd?
[08:49] <randabis> dabII: general.useragent.vendorSub
[08:49] <dabII> randabis: oh.. found it.. :) thnx...
[08:49] <Kyynara> Seveas: but can it do any harm that I have them in my sources.list
[08:49] <karamazof> hi to all
[08:49] <dabII> randabis: yeah
[08:49] <Kyynara> or should I disable them
[08:50] <[v2hja] > delire,  ...... cant i just take something from your cfg .... or better ..... could you please remake my cfg ^^
[08:50] <delire> [v2hja] : sure upload it and i'll edit it
[08:50] <Kyynara> then to my other problem, how do I install opengl?
[08:50] <delire> [v2hja] : first, what's the problem?
[08:50] <yourghetek> !seen
[08:50] <[v2hja] > http://rafb.net/paste/results/owT23z41.html
[08:50] <Fabian> pfp, I can't read knoppix under windows
[08:51] <yourghetek> !seen kassetra
[08:51] <ubotu> kassetra <~kassetra@c-67-171-201-213.hsd1.or.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 1d 13h 14m 24s ago, saying: 'ds installs just fine, and both are runnign.'.
[08:51] <[v2hja] > NO HW 3D
[08:51] <pfp> Fabian: oh, missed the n't, heh
[08:51] <[v2hja] > glxgears 361
[08:51] <[v2hja] > 9800pro
[08:51] <delire> [v2hja] : lsmod | grep fglrx
[08:51] <Fabian> pfp, never mind! :D
[08:51] <[v2hja] > what does that do ?
[08:52] <pfp> :)
[08:52] <mcquaid> the server i'm behind went down, and i was trying to get back access to the network
[08:52] <randabis> !seen lochnessmonster
[08:52] <ubotu> randabis: i haven't seen 'lochnessmonster'
[08:52] <randabis> me either
[08:52] <delire> [v2hja] : looks to see if the fglrx module is loaded
[08:52] <randabis> he's a myth
[08:52] <mcquaid> what script would i've have needed to run to reconnect to the network?
[08:52] <[v2hja] > fglrx                 229568  0
[08:52] <Thorrn4> hello!! I just put in a DATA CD in my dvd/cd drive...how can I read it, to take the files off?
[08:52] <mcquaid> in my other distro i used to use pump
[08:52] <slashzul> how do you reset the xserver?
[08:52] <mcquaid> just to avoid having to reboot in the future
[08:52] <[v2hja] > delire, ........ can we go private ?
[08:52] <delire> mcquaid: /etc/init.d/networking restart or ifup eth(something)
[08:53] <slashzul> how do you reconfigure the xserver
[08:53] <mcquaid> ah
[08:53] <delire> [v2hja] : sure.
[08:53] <p|> someone have a kvirc 3.2xx .deb for ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[08:53] <mcquaid> i tried networking start but not restart
[08:53] <slashzul> xserver worked till I changed video cards - aaaaaaaaaaaah
[08:53] <slashzul> help
[08:53] <gamemastax`> You're all hot ^^
[08:53] <Fabian> Thorn4, try as root: /mnt/cd_rom /dev/media/cd_rom           but I'm not 100% sure......
[08:54] <chrissturm> slashzul: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:54] <ChrisCF> Got that backtrace from fsck
[08:54] <ChrisCF> http://www.xpns.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Backtrace
[08:54] <randabis> !seen root
[08:54] <ubotu> root <~Kevin@CPE0006255ab096-CM400049887786.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 6d 21h 55m 9s ago, saying: 'am I hacked?'.
[08:54] <pfp> lol
[08:54] <yourghetek> !seen a big monkey
[08:54] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'a big monkey', yourghetek
[08:54] <karamazof> Q: I have configured iptables and my adsl router to accept incomming and outgoing events on port 4662, but amule still can't acces my 4662 port... has anyone got an idea?
[08:54] <ChrisCF> though it's pretty short, and I might end up rebuilding e2fsck anyway
[08:55] <gamemastax`> Alright, I got a question... I need to get my wireless--and my touchpad--working in ubuntu... I have a compaq presario r3000 and am pretty much a linux noob... can anyone help me?
[08:55] <karamazof> my router is a 510 speedtouch
[08:55] <ChrisCF> (it's a version that I've built myself, because the one in hoary is too old to fsck my HD)
[08:55] <delire> [v2hja] : lsmod == "list modules"
[08:55] <pfp> karamazof: could you paste the output from 'iptables -vn -L' to http://pastebin.com
[08:55] <chrissturm> karamazof: do you forward the port on your router?
[08:55] <Mac38Do> Hi! Does anybody know, what the root-password of the live-cd ist?
[08:55] <Wings> !seen anakedlady
[08:55] <ubotu> Wings: i haven't seen 'anakedlady'
[08:55] <Wings> :O
[08:55] <gamemastax`> !seen gamemastax
[08:55] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'gamemastax', gamemastax`
[08:56] <delire> [v2hja] : or i should say "list loaded modules"
[08:56] <karamazof> no problem pfp
[08:56] <delire> [v2hja] : ok.. cool
[08:56] <gamemastax`> !seen gamemastax`
[08:56] <ubotu> gamemastax` is currently on #ubuntu (2m 28s)
[08:56] <ChrisCF> Mac38Do: It isn't.
[08:56] <gamemastax`> Anyway, can anyone help me? ^^
[08:56] <ChrisCF> You use sudo or use the menu to open a root terminal
[08:57] <karamazof> er no I can't!
[08:57] <gamemastax`> o.O
[08:57] <pfp> karamazof: what's the problem
[08:57] <abelli> ciao everybody
[08:57] <gamemastax`>  ciao
[08:57] <karamazof> Warning: mysql_pconnect(): Link to server lost, unable to reconnect in /home/pastebin/lib/pastebin/db.mysql.class.php on line 42
[08:57] <karamazof> Unable to connect to database
[08:58] <gamemastax`> LOL
[08:58] <ChrisCF> Try pastebin.ca
[08:58] <pfp> oh dear, we've broken the pastebin :(
[08:58] <ChrisCF> (I think)
[08:58] <gamemastax`> They're having database problems, use another pastebin
[08:58] <Kyynara> How do I install OpenGL on ubuntu?
[08:58] <pfp> karamazof: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/ also
[08:59] <jfk303> whats a nice app for audio editing? (cutting up mp3's and stuff, don't need anything too fancy)...
[08:59] <karamazof> http://pastebin.ca/14664
[08:59] <karamazof> chrissturm: I think so,
[08:59] <randabis> jfk303: audacity
[08:59] <ChrisCF> OK, so to recap for those that missed the first half, e2fsck is segfaulting checking a HD.  The HD has been in two different machines, and it segfaulted in both cases ruling out memory.
[09:00] <ChrisCF> No messages in messages or dmesg, backtrace here: http://www.xpns.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Backtrace
[09:00] <pfp> karamazof: is 10.0.0.1 IP address of your machine?
[09:00] <karamazof> yep
[09:00] <Seveas> okay i messed up :)
[09:00] <Seveas> can someone send me a default /etc/modules please :)
[09:00] <ChrisCF> Seveas: Can you not do a modprobe and use the output from lsmod to get started?
[09:00] <Seveas> ChrisCF, not needed
[09:00] <Fabian> has anyone got experience wicht partition magic by any chance?
[09:01] <Seveas> i just need the default /etc/modules
[09:01] <Seveas> i know what I added to that
[09:01] <ChrisCF> Live CD?
[09:01] <Seveas> but the file got erased :)
[09:01] <Seveas> ChrisCF, can't you paste your /etc/modules on paste.ubuntulinux.nl?
[09:01] <ChrisCF> Mmm.  "Oops."
[09:01] <ChrisCF> Well, it depends on whether the "default" as installed is modified
[09:01] <Seveas> yeah, an > instead of an >>
[09:01] <ChrisCF> (depending on the hardware)
[09:01] <pfp> karamazof: hmm, you are behind NAT, either from your (ADSL?) router or your internet service provider
[09:02] <Seveas> ChrisCF, please paste yours :)
[09:02] <Seveas> i almost completely remember what was in it, but need some assurance
[09:02] <Mac38Do> thx, ChrisCF!
[09:03] <ChrisCF> np Mac38Do
[09:03] <karamazof> chrissturm: I have pasted my nat list to http://pastebin.ca/14668
[09:03] <pfp> Seveas: loop psmouse mousedev ide-cd ide-disk ide-generic lp are on top of my /etc/modules
[09:03] <Seveas> thank you
[09:03] <ChrisCF> Grr.  I had just loaded that pastebin too ...
[09:04] <karamazof> yes, but I think I have correctly set up the NAT : http://pastebin.ca/14668
[09:04] <ChrisCF> though I'm worried when dpkg can't tell me which package owns /etc/modules ...
[09:04] <Seveas> ChrisCF, it's part of debootstrap...
[09:04] <Seveas> so it won't really get listed
[09:04] <ChrisCF> So that would explain why you can't "reinstall" the file
[09:04] <Seveas> indeed :)
[09:05] <ChrisCF> Seveas: Seen my backtrace?
[09:05] <abelli> i've got a problem with an hp pavilion 6069 ... amd 64, ati xpress 200 ..
[09:06] <abelli> i cant log in (gnome and kde) ..
[09:06] <Seveas> ChrisCF, no, was preoccupied with my own problem ;)
[09:06] <abelli> the system freezes..
[09:06] <deviant> can some one help me with wine pls ?
[09:06] <Fabian> need to reboot
[09:06] <karamazof> pfp: before installing any form of firewall, It worked fine, and with the same router config, emule works fine under XP...
[09:06] <Seveas> opeing page now :)
[09:07] <pfp> karamazof: hmm, the nat looks ok, altough i don't know what brand the rtr is so can't be sure
[09:07] <ChrisCF> I'm going through the gcc manpage to see if I can rebuild it with some useful information
[09:07] <Seveas> ChrisCF, run fsck.ext2 under strace
[09:07] <Seveas> and see what that does just before segfaulting
[09:07] <Beuno> trying to burn with growisfs now
[09:07] <karamazof> rtr? my router? (sorry I'm french) it is a thompson speed touch 510 1 port
[09:08] <Beuno> Im doing this: growisofs -Z /dev/hdc -R -J /var/www/backups/
[09:08] <Beuno> and its telling me I dont have any space
[09:08] <Beuno> do I have to do anything before that?
[09:08] <pfp> karamazof: yeah, router.. i'm not familiar with that model though :/
[09:08] <Fabian> i forgot: i can't reboot! :D
[09:09] <Beuno> Im reading some places I have to "blank" the DVDR, any ideas?
[09:09] <pfp> karamazof: have you tried connecting to your machine from 'outside' eg. with telnet yourpublicip 4662
[09:09] <karamazof> pfp: but don't you find it strange that it workes under XP?
[09:10] <ubuntu_> hello
[09:10] <chrissturm> anyone here using zsh?
[09:10] <karamazof> I haven' set up a telnet service, but if it can help you, I could do so
[09:10] <ubuntu_> xoll
[09:10] <Fabian> hello ubuntu_
[09:10] <ChrisCF> Seveas: will the fact that I've just compiled in debug info help? :)
[09:10] <jfk303> Is  there a browseable  directory of what software can be apt-get'ed, with maybe a link to the server the app is held on?
[09:10] <pfp> karamazof: yes, i do... hmm, maybe your xp / *mule under xp is using that upnp thing?
[09:10] <ubuntu_> i like this
[09:10] <ChrisCF> jfk303: packages.ubuntu... something or other
[09:10] <karamazof> yes, it is!
[09:10] <wizzard> hi, I would like to know how to save the contents of OpenGL screen (like screensavers). any ideas?
[09:11] <ChrisCF> packages.ubuntu.com
[09:11] <pfp> karamazof: also, your iptables is broken :), it accepts everything
[09:11] <ubuntu_> yuppp
[09:11] <karamazof> my machine is visible at: karamazof56.no-ip.org
[09:11] <karamazof> yes, I broke it,
[09:11] <pfp> karamazof: no, i meant telnetting to your emule (port 4662)
[09:11] <davix> I need help, my linux just lost any connection with the internet. pls help.
[09:12] <Fabian> davix, why are you here then? :D
[09:12] <pfp> karamazof: please, use the highlight (pfp:) :)
[09:12] <karamazof> pfp: sorry
[09:12] <davix> Fabian, i've got two pcs :)
[09:12] <kaz> how do I install support for flash?
[09:13] <davix> Fabian, can you supply any proffesional help or are you just joing with me?
[09:13] <pfp> karamazof: i can connect to your 4662 port, no problem
[09:13] <Razor-X> davix: i'm assuming you've restarted thec computer? (sorry, too mcuh experience with Windows users)
[09:13] <jfk303> davix, I sometimes restart the connection in Syste>administartion>networking?
[09:14] <bionic> whats a good graphical cd,audio,dvd,image burner?
[09:14] <deviant> can some one help me with wine pls ?
[09:14] <davix> Razor-X, nope, i'm not that of a noob.
[09:14] <Fabian> davix, I'm no pro.... what did you do to your connection? any changes to undo?
[09:14] <ChrisCF> strace: exec: Permission denied
[09:14] <ChrisCF> execve("./e2fsck", ["./e2fsck", "-y", "/dev/hdd5"] , [/* 33 vars */] ) = 0
[09:14] <ChrisCF> chris@delyth:~/Desktop/e2fsprogs-1.37/build $
[09:14] <Seveas> deviant, i'll help you drink it :)
[09:14] <ChrisCF> Nice.
[09:14] <karamazof> pfp: strange, does anything reply?
[09:14] <pfp> karamazof: so, your *mule shouldn't be complaining at all..
[09:14] <sam2> gcc aint in ubuntu by default is it?
[09:14] <HiddenWolf> deviant, depends on what you need, there is no nero like king of the hill
[09:14] <davix> Fabian, i've apt-get removed firestarter and /etc/init.d/firestarter stop
[09:14] <Seveas> ChrisCF, running it is root might help...
[09:14] <pepsi> can the resolution of the terminal (no X) be changed on startup? its like 640x480 or 800x600 or something.. im on a laptop and it looks weird to have a terminal in the middle of my screen
[09:14] <davix> eventuall i also iptables-restoore
[09:14] <ChrisCF> One of the problems with advocating sudo over su is that in most cases sudo won't atually work
[09:14] <deviant> Seveas: :) . no, really now. i`m tring to install a game (baldur`s gate) and i get all sorts of errors :(
[09:15] <pfp> karamazof: yes, http://pastebin.ca/14673
[09:15] <Seveas> pepsi, it can
[09:15] <davix> Fabian, ideas?
[09:15] <hypn0_> wouldnt it be better to have main, universe, restricted in package names, and slap them all in one directory, easier to navigate and find dtuff like that, rather than going back and forwards
[09:15] <ChrisCF> Ah.  Might help if I tried cd e2fsck first ...
[09:15] <karamazof> pfp: that's why I'm stuck! I just can't understand what's worrying it!
[09:15] <deviant> Seveas: pepsi is yach. coke is tha shit :P
[09:15] <Seveas> pepsi, if you want 1024x768 add vga=773 to the #kopt line in menu.lst and run update-grub
[09:15] <pepsi> Seveas, how can i do that? i want it to be 1024x768
[09:16] <Seveas> deviant, indeed :)
[09:16] <Beuno> trying to burn a DVD-R with growisfs
[09:16] <ChrisCF> (haven't run make install yet - to avoid breaking the e2fsck that's already there)
[09:16] <Beuno> and its telling me I dont have any space
[09:16] <randabis> !seen sudo
[09:16] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'sudo', randabis
[09:16] <Beuno> Im reading some places I have to "blank" the DVDR,any ideas?
[09:16] <Beuno> any ideas?
[09:16] <Fabian> davix, what about abt-get installing firestarter again? what is firestarter anyway?
[09:16] <pfp> karamazof: maybe your ISP blocks port 4662... but then again, it works in windoze
[09:16] <deviant> HiddenWolf: so ...anny sugestions ?
[09:16] <davix> erm. Fabian, one sec
[09:16] <Seveas> Beuno, growisofs is to create an iso file
[09:16] <davix> i think i got it by Myself
[09:16] <davix> :)
[09:16] <Seveas> which you can later burn
[09:16] <davix> yep
[09:17] <davix> brb from pc
[09:17] <philipacamaniac> Where can I file bug reports related to the new wiki?
[09:17] <Seveas> philipacamaniac, in #ubuntu-doc
[09:17] <philipacamaniac> thanks
[09:17] <Fabian> davix, maybe sometimes packages uninstall other packages too, on which again other packages rely on.....
[09:17] <Beuno> Seveas;  Executing 'mkisofs -R -J /var/www/backups/ | builtin_dd of=/dev/cdrom obs=32k seek=0'
[09:17] <randabis> !seen a simpler, more childish interface than gnome
[09:17] <ubotu> randabis: i haven't seen 'a simpler, more childish interface than gnome'
[09:17] <randabis> lol
[09:17] <Beuno> :-( /dev/cdrom: 2295104 blocks are free, 4444536 to be written
[09:17] <Seveas> Beuno, i stand corrected, sorry
[09:18] <Beuno> np
[09:18] <ChrisCF> randabis: I think I know why
[09:18] <ChrisCF> !seen kde
[09:18] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'kde', ChrisCF
[09:18] <Beuno> I doing this:  growisofs -Z /dev/hdc -R -J /var/www/backups/
[09:18] <randabis> lol
[09:18] <karamazof> pfp: I'll try analysing what's going on with ethereal
[09:18] <pfp> karamazof: cool!
[09:18] <karamazof> pfp: maby I'll ges some clues
[09:18] <Seveas> !seen ChrisCF's brain
[09:18] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'chriscf's brain', Seveas
[09:18] <karamazof> pfp: you think it could help?
[09:18] <pepsi> Seveas, thanks, ima see how that goes
[09:18] <Razor-X> randabis: I like KDE a lot, thank you
[09:19] <davix> ok
[09:19] <alemao> How can i make upgrade of Mozilla-firefox .. here version 1.0.2 .. and exist 1.0.4 but cant via ubuntu
[09:19] <davix> done, now how can i fix inbound connections?
[09:19] <Seveas> alemao, the version of ubunutu is actually 1.0.4 in disguise
[09:19] <pfp> karamazof: at least it's fun and interesting (even without sarcasm :P)
[09:19] <rood> ayudame!!!! I am hating gdm and xorg
[09:19] <randabis> Razor-X: as do I. using it as we speak
[09:19] <Seveas> alemao, it contains all 1.0.4 security patches
[09:19] <senra> After a long time with Mdk, I finally switched to Ubuntu. I'm *really* impressed. Congratz to Ubuntu community.
[09:19] <Razor-X> alemao: add in backports to your sources.list
[09:19] <ChrisCF> Seveas: Of course not.  Ubotu can't see inside my head (yet)
[09:19] <Razor-X> randabis: good then ;)
[09:19] <Seveas> :)
[09:19] <delire> [v2hja]  man we're nearly there to getting hw GL on your box. write back or i'm out.
[09:19] <Razor-X> !seen Einstein
[09:19] <randabis> Seveas: unless I'm mistaken it only includes 1.0.4's security updates, not everything else
[09:19] <ubotu> i haven't seen 'einstein', Razor-X
[09:19] <[v2hja] > i am here
[09:20] <Fabian> davix, working?
[09:20] <[v2hja] > i am here
[09:20] <ChrisCF> How long before an up-to-date e2fsprogs goes in?
[09:20] <delire> [v2hja]  cool
[09:20] <davix> Fabian/ Razor-X . do you have any ideas on what can block incoming comunications? (web,sshd,etc?)
[09:20] <davix> yes
[09:20] <[v2hja] > but why not in private ?
[09:20] <alemao> Razor-X, backport
[09:20] <ianneub> all: is this the place to ask Q's about Ubuntu for PPC?
[09:20] <Seveas> randabis, correct.
[09:20] <davix> outbound
[09:20] <Razor-X> !seen Mark Shuttleworth
[09:20] <ubotu> Razor-X: i haven't seen 'mark shuttleworth'
[09:20] <Seveas> new featurs include new bugs
[09:20] <karamazof> pfp: yes it's quite a fun toy!
[09:20] <randabis> Seveas: then it isn't completely 1.0.4
[09:20] <ChrisCF> The version that's in hoary is a year old, and there's been two releases since
[09:20] <Fabian> davix, did you cut the cable? :D
[09:20] <delire> [v2hja]  you weren't answering me. maybe your flood set me to auto-ignore on your nick
[09:20] <Razor-X> davix: why not try killing your daemons one by one?
[09:20] <Seveas> please stop abusing the bot
[09:20] <karamazof> pfp: will you stay around?
[09:20] <davix> nope, lol restart :)
[09:20] <HiddenWolf> ChrisCF, hoary will only get security updates
[09:20] <HiddenWolf> ChrisCF, new stuff goes to breezy
[09:20] <alemao> when I make apt-get install mozilla-firefox .. show 1.0.2 .. and uptodate
[09:20] <randabis> the bot is a masochist
[09:21] <ChrisCF> Also, the current version of e2fsprogs is actually too old for my HD
[09:21] <[v2hja] > 22:15 [v2hja]  done
[09:21] <davix> Razor-X, what daemon can block udp? i dont have nessus nor firestarter.
[09:21] <Razor-X> alemao: add backports to your sources.list
[09:21] <Seveas> alemao, the real 1.0.4 can be downloaded from backports
[09:21] <ChrisCF> had to actually download and compile a new version just to fsck it
[09:21] <randabis> yeah
[09:21] <delire> [v2hja]  ok, now we need to create a symlinks that the stupid package installation process failed to create
[09:21] <[v2hja] > k
[09:21] <Razor-X> davix: do you have any router/firewall box on the network?
[09:21] <[v2hja] > how ?
[09:21] <alemao> what is the meaning <backports> ?
[09:21] <randabis> easy breezy beautiful covergirl
[09:21] <rood> anyone here have a macintosh?
[09:21] <linux_geek> alemao: download firefox-1.0.4 from mozill site and install straight away its distro independent
[09:22] <davix> Razor-X, hardware router, routing all incoming to this box.
[09:22] <pfp> karamazof: yea, at least a few hours
[09:22] <ChrisCF> HiddenWolf: Kind of sucks to know that I'll be stuck with old software for the next few months.
[09:22] <Razor-X> alemao: read the Ubuntu guide, in the 'Add extra repositories' section, they have some entries in sources.list dealing with 'backports'
[09:22] <delire> [v2hja]  'ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2'
[09:22] <deviant> oh, common ...
[09:22] <Razor-X> davix: are you sure something didn't happen with the router?
[09:22] <Fabian> pfp, do you know partition magic?
[09:22] <alemao> oh ok
[09:22] <[v2hja] > delire,
[09:22] <[v2hja] > root ?
[09:22] <Razor-X> try restarting your router (if you haven't)
[09:22] <delire> [v2hja]  'ln' == link and is used to create links or 'shortcutes'
[09:22] <delire> [v2hja]  yes
[09:23] <[v2hja] > done
[09:23] <davix> Razor-X, sure as hell, i routed it to another pc and it worked like a charm.
[09:23] <Razor-X> if possible, see if the Linux machine is connecte to the router
[09:23] <Razor-X> *connected
[09:23] <davix> it's connected to a switch
[09:23] <pfp> Fabian: i've used it once to make room for a linux installation... so not much
[09:23] <ChrisCF> I'm sure that all the output from strace is actualyl slowing down this fsck by at least an order of magnitude :/
[09:23] <Razor-X> wow... large network ;)
[09:23] <davix> connected to the router/modem
[09:23] <rood> someone, please help me configure x on my mac
[09:23] <davix> not that large, 3 pcs
[09:23] <delire> [v2hja]  now 'ls -l /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2' to check if it worked. you should see a --> to the original file.
[09:23] <Razor-X> then why use a switch?
[09:23] <Seveas> ChrisCF, indeed :)
[09:23] <davix> i just like expirmenting
[09:23] <Razor-X> remove the switch, that's just plain impeding bandwidth
[09:23] <davix> router has one exit, it's an old alcatel home hacked into a pro software.
[09:23] <delire> davix: good ;)
[09:23] <[v2hja] > lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 27 2005-06-15 22:22 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 -> /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[09:24] <rood> I can't get gdm to start, and when I run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg it fails in the same pace
[09:24] <Razor-X> davix: ahhh, I see
[09:24] <rood> same place every time
[09:24] <Beuno> trying to burn a DVD-R with growisfs using:   growisofs -Z /dev/hdc -R -J /var/www/backups/   and Im getting:  :-( /dev/cdrom: 2295104 blocks are free, 4444536 to be written, any ideas?
[09:24] <[v2hja] > i guess its good ?
[09:24] <Razor-X> then why is it a router?
[09:24] <Fabian> pfp, do you think, if I change something and it goes wrong, I could reinstate the partitions under linux with the original partition table?
[09:24] <randabis> ChrisCF: old software: you have the option of using backports to get updates until breezy comes around
[09:24] <Razor-X> if it just routes the connection to one box?
[09:24] <delire> [v2hja]  excellent, now 'ln -s /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1'
[09:24] <rood> I get framebuffer errors
[09:24] <moparfan90> can i install counter strike source on ubuntu with out buying cedega?
[09:25] <ChrisCF> In certain other distributions that shall remain nameless, you go get to keep up-to-date
[09:25] <alemao> where I can find Ubuntu Guide
[09:25] <rood> I get V_Bios err
[09:25] <[v2hja] > done
[09:25] <Razor-X> alemao: google is your friend
[09:25] <ChrisCF> which means you don't get problems like fsck failing because your filesystem is too new
[09:25] <Razor-X> moparfan90: not sure if there's a Linux version
[09:25] <pfp> Fabian: partmagic ha a habit of moving actual data, too.. so there's a chance it won't work (but caveat lector)
[09:25] <[v2hja] > delire,  done
[09:25] <pfp> has*
[09:25] <ChrisCF> These other distributions including a certain flavour of one beginning with "D"
[09:26] <davix> Razor-X, it routes the internet to my switch, and udp onto 10.0.0.2
[09:26] <davix> i use it just because i dont want to let my sister catch viruss via p2p
[09:26] <davix> but it's not the subject lol
[09:26] <davix> this box wouldnt catch udp even if its connected straight to the wall
[09:26] <ChrisCF> Right - here's the segfault
[09:26] <davix> something is wrong here.
[09:26] <delire> [v2hja]  it must be exactly as i've written it.
[09:26] <Razor-X> the Distribution Distribution?
[09:26] <transgress> would anyone know why i can't change my fonts in gnome?  i started out with kubuntu, and had that gtk to qt crap... but after i installed gnome... saw how bad it messed it up i removed it... and now i can't change my font
[09:26] <ChrisCF> Now to get all the info from it
[09:26] <delire> [v2hja]  ok a couple more.
[09:26] <transgress> does anyone have a tip as to how to fix this?
[09:26] <Fabian> pfp, caveat lector?
[09:26] <davix> it happend after some fw and nessus expiremnting. and i reall don want to reinstall just for this lol. it's not msxp.
[09:26] <pfp> Fabian: reader beware :)
[09:26] <pfp> afaik
[09:26] <[v2hja] > i am with you
[09:26] <Razor-X> davix: that's a pretty convoluted setup..... does the router come with a DHCP server?
[09:26] <davix> yes, but it's disabled.
[09:27] <ChrisCF> Razor-X: And then there's the "F" distribution
[09:27] <Razor-X> davix: enable it
[09:27] <delire> [v2hja]  now do you have a /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so ?
[09:27] <davix> why? it gives me trouble with dns.
[09:27] <Razor-X> ChrisCF: you mean.... Fresh Distribution?! ;)
[09:27] <Seveas> ChrisCF, that's the same as the "F" wod :)
[09:27] <ChrisCF> not to mention the "S" and "M" distributions
[09:27] <Seveas> word*
[09:27] <Razor-X> oooh! oooh
[09:27] <ChrisCF> (oops - not how that should have come out)
[09:27] <hellraiser_rob> evening all
[09:27] <moparfan90> does anyone know if i can install counter strike source on linux? (theres no linux version)
[09:27] <Razor-X> Sloppy, and Meaty!
[09:27] <ChrisCF> "Kinkix"
[09:27] <davix> Razor-X, it worked perfectly two days ago, i've just messed this box :(
[09:27] <[v2hja] > YES
[09:27] <Razor-X> davix: then do a manual with DHCP
[09:28] <transgress> moparfan90: you can... but you have to get cedega
[09:28] <Razor-X> on the box, rather
[09:28] <delire> [v2hja]  use 'du -h' to find out it's file size
[09:28] <Fabian> pfp, goddamn, you look cool! How did you do that?
[09:28] <davix> erm.
[09:28] <Razor-X> specify the DNS servers, but try and get the config done using DTCP
[09:28] <ChrisCF> Seveas: How many screenfuls of syscalls do you want?
[09:28] <moparfan90> is that the only was
[09:28] <moparfan90> way
[09:28] <Seveas> ChrisCF, only the last ones before it crashes :D
[09:28] <Razor-X> or, copy the DNS servers, and add them to the router's DHCP server, much less maintenance on your part on future installs, and stuff
[09:28] <ChrisCF> Yes.  How many?
[09:28] <[v2hja] > ZERO
[09:29] <ChrisCF> As a hint, the last handful of lines will probably not be useful
[09:29] <davix> Razor-X, it's a software problem. at some time of boot, i can actually get a ping from the machine. just when it all loads up it blocks. regardless of dhcp or router conf.
[09:29] <[v2hja] > v2hja@ubuntu:~$ du -h /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so
[09:29] <[v2hja] > 0       /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so
[09:29] <delire> [v2hja]  use my nick so i can see you
[09:29] <pfp> Fabian: *krhm* secret ;)
[09:29] <Seveas> ChrisCF, you should have used tee ;)
[09:29] <delire> [v2hja]  (in a few channels here)
[09:29] <[v2hja] > delire, .... it is zero
[09:29] <delire> [v2hja]  ok
[09:29] <Seveas> ChrisCF, just make it a hudred
[09:29] <delire> [v2hja]  check the size of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[09:30] <Razor-X> davix: try recovery mode
[09:30] <ChrisCF> That page updated
[09:30] <davix> what's recovery mode?
[09:30] <[v2hja] > delire, zero also
[09:30] <Razor-X> that way, during bootup, keep pinging it, to see the daemon that is causin the trouble
[09:30] <Razor-X> it's in the GRUB boot menu, hit Esc at startup, if i'm not mistaken
[09:30] <unixscan> greetings from Barcelona
[09:31] <delire> [v2hja]  ok now 'rm -f /usr/lib/libGL.so && ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 /usr/lib/libGL.so'
[09:31] <[v2hja] > done
[09:31] <[v2hja] > i guess
[09:31] <davix> erm ok brb
[09:31] <ChrisCF> Perhaps I should have given e2fsck -q
[09:31] <delire> [v2hja]  try restarting X
[09:31] <[v2hja] > k
[09:31] <Efwis> quick question, what is Getty?? I have 5 instances of it running but i don't even know what its for
[09:31] <[v2hja] > brb ^^
[09:31] <synd> thenuke: anyone have an idea as to making gdesklets transparent?
[09:31] <synd> oops
[09:31] <ChrisCF> since all the things it had to output are mixed in nicely
[09:32] <ChrisCF> Efwis: It's the thinngs running on your 6 consoles with nothing logged in
[09:32] <Seveas> Efwis, it's for your virtual terminals
[09:32] <synd> anyone have an idea as to making gdesklets transparent? *
[09:32] <Efwis> thank you
[09:32] <SuperQ> any kernel hackers around?  I'm getting kernel panics every other day on a box that was running fine prior to the last kernel security update
[09:32] <_kevin> how to un-install or remove a file/program that you installed by compiling and doing ./configure make and make instakk
[09:32] <_kevin> install*
[09:32] <Fabian> pfp, you won't tell me?
[09:33] <delire> SuperQ: probably filesystem related. usually is. /dev/console in the output?
[09:33] <Seveas> SuperQ, make a good bugreport and file it on the bugzilla
[09:33] <[v2hja] > dang
[09:33] <[v2hja] > 326 FPS
[09:33] <[v2hja] > delire,
[09:33] <SuperQ> delire: I dunno
[09:33] <delire> [v2hja] : hmm
[09:33] <SuperQ> delire: cpu 0: machine check exception: 7 bank 4 : b4002000ed080a13
[09:33] <delire> [v2hja] : could be better ;)
[09:33] <SuperQ> Kernel panic - not syncing : uncorrected machine check
[09:33] <SuperQ> (x86-64)
[09:33] <Seveas> SuperQ, ehm
[09:33] <[v2hja] > i is still the same
[09:33] <Seveas> SuperQ, run memtest!
[09:33] <[v2hja] > and opengl is mesa 3d
[09:33] <delire> SuperQ fsck knows ;)
[09:33] <SuperQ> Seveas: shit
[09:34] <pfp> Fabian: heh, i thought you were joking, sorry :) type '/me does stuff'
[09:34] <SuperQ> Seveas: it's ECC ram
[09:34] <SuperQ> this shouldn't be happening
[09:34] <[v2hja] > delire, ----- no change
[09:34] <delire> [v2hja] : well, all i can suggest is doing it all the way i did it. that was my attempt to fix the broken and/or uncreated symlinks using the xorg-fglrx ubuntu package install.
[09:35] <ChrisCF> Seveas: Have a gander at the updated "backtrace" page, and I'll get something to drink
[09:35] <delire> [v2hja] : this would mean purging the xorg-fglrx package then downloading the driver rpm package from the ati.com site and compiling the module yourself.
[09:35] <Seveas> ChrisCF, than you'll have to give me the url again :)
[09:35] <chris____> hi room.  i eventually got ubuntu installed on this pc.  now...  how can I configure grub to default to booting ubuntu quickly?
[09:35] <SuperQ> Seveas: still think I should file a bug report?
[09:35] <ChrisCF> Seveas: http://www.xpns.co.uk/wiki/index.php/Backtrace
[09:36] <[v2hja] > delire, ...... ssh ?
[09:36] <Fabian> pfp, I know! I WAS joking, because you said, you're trying hard, to look cool, I thought, I'd admire you a bit
[09:36] <delire> [v2hja] : i do it the "ati way" yet people around here recommend otherwise for some reason, don't know why.
[09:36] <Fabian> ;)
[09:36] <delire> [v2hja] : sure but you better be quick
[09:36] <delire> [v2hja] : msg me details
[09:37] <[v2hja] > but i have messed with that xorg.cfg thingie
[09:37] <delire> [v2hja] : your xorg.conf is fine
[09:38] <melrosemrm> HEY Sevas, I dowloaded a driver that is supposed to be for my wireless card but for Red Hat, would it work with Ubuntu?
[09:38] <gge> :(
[09:38] <ChrisCF> ):)
[09:38] <ChrisCF> (ambivalent)
[09:38] <gge> \ _ /
[09:39] <chris____> anyone?  how do I configure grub?
[09:39] <pfp> Fabian: heh, thanks ;) don't overdo it, otherwise his bloated ego ends up using /me constantly
[09:39] <HappyFool> chris____: look at /boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:39] <chris____> HappyFool: thanks.  is there a gui interface that edits that file?
[09:39] <HappyFool> chris____: i don't know. what do you want to do?
[09:40] <chris____> HappyFool: also, after editing it, do I need to run anything, like running lilo after editing lilo.conf?
[09:40] <linux_geek> chris____: read menu.lst file its simple to edit
[09:40] <melrosemrm> Hey Sevas you there? Does anyone know if a wireless card driver for redhat would work with Ubuntu?
[09:40] <HappyFool> chris____: no, nothing to run like lilo
[09:40] <linux_geek> no chris____
[09:40] <chris____> HappyFool: I want to set it up so that it doesn't show a menu unless the user hits a key
[09:40] <HappyFool> chris____: try 'info grub' for documentation
[09:40] <chris____> HappyFool: I tried 'info grub' but it shows the same as 'man grub'.
[09:41] <chris____> HappyFool: looks like the grub info pages aren't installed by default?
[09:41] <HappyFool> hm. let me look...
[09:41] <HappyFool> chris____: yeah, you're right, info pages are in grub-doc
[09:42] <linux_geek> chris____: use hiddenmenu in menu.lst
[09:42] <chris____> linux_geek: thanks.  I'll try that...
[09:42] <melrosemrm> Does anyone know if a wireless card driver for redhat would work with Ubuntu?
[09:42] <linux_geek> anytime chris____
[09:42] <chris____> linux_geek: it's the default in fedora core and I quite like it.
[09:42] <chris____> I don't want the user to be confused by the menu.
[09:42] <linux_geek> yaa fedora menu looks nice
[09:43] <delire> melrosemrm: yes it should. use 'alien' to convert it to a deb and use dpkg -i to install it.
[09:43] <dooglus> the ubuntu menu isn't graphical like the fedora one, either.
[09:43] <HappyFool> chris____: i think it's the default in ubuntu if ubuntu's the only OS installed (could be wrong)
[09:43] <dooglus> HappyFool: I'm not brave enough to make ubuntu the only OS
[09:43] <_kevin> how to un-install or remove a file/program that you installed by compiling and doing ./configure make and make install
[09:44] <HappyFool> dooglus: fair enough. but it makes sense to have the menu by default when there is another os to boot
[09:44] <kl365> after installation i get the following error on boot: pivot_root: no such file or directory
[09:44] <dooglus> HappyFool: maybe.
[09:44] <kl365> then /sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: no such file
[09:45] <kl365> Kernel panic not syncing: attempted to kill init!
[09:45] <dooglus> wish me luck with the reboot - hopefully I'll be back soon!  :)
[09:45] <bleck> hey, anyone had problems where startx is missing?  All the sudden, rebooted, no X... startx not located in /usr/X11R6/bin either... =( any suggestions?
[09:45] <delire> melrosemrm: no need to msg me. apt-get install alien
[09:46] <delire> [v2hja] : jesus xrist. how boring.
[09:46] <delire> [v2hja] : just the 'fglrx' driver. don't delete the other one! ;)
[09:47] <delire> [v2hja] : ok so just to confirm 'dpkg -P xorg-driver-fglrx' doesn't work
[09:47] <bleck> kind of odd, first time my nvidia module couldn't be found, so i checked synaptic and nvidia-glx was unisntalled... so i installed again, then no x server
[09:47] <delire> [v2hja] : .. that command exactly.
[09:48] <delire> [v2hja] : if it does find the package but can't uninstall it try dpkg -P --force-all xorg-driver-fglrx
[09:49] <Veinor> I'm having a problem with installation
[09:49] <ChrisCF> Seveas: looked?
[09:49] <Veinor> It says it's 'Testing Network repository...' and has been doing so for the past 10 minutes or so
[09:49] <HappyFool> Veinor: how are you doing the install? From CD?
[09:50] <Veinor> Yep, from an ISO image
[09:50] <HappyFool> Veinor: try unplugging your network connection, and rebooting?
[09:51] <Veinor> Currently it's not connected, actually
[09:51] <HappyFool> hrm
[09:51] <Veinor> Does it need to be?
[09:51] <HappyFool> no, i installed entirely offline
[09:52] <[v2hja] > delire,
[09:52] <HappyFool> what some of network hardware does it have?
[09:52] <linux_geek> Veinor: use advanced mode of installation , default mode scans for internet connection to get updates
[09:52] <[v2hja] > can you see me now in private ?
[09:52] <Veinor> Ah.
[09:52] <linux_geek> Veinor: select "expert" while installing
[09:56] <Veinor> Hmm...
[09:56] <Veinor> doing an expert install
[09:57] <gamemastax`> can anyone help me get my touchpad working?
[09:57] <gamemastax`> and my wireless?
[09:58] <synd> gamemastax`: need details
[09:58] <gamemastax`> I have a compaq presario r3000
[09:58] <gamemastax`> um let me get the make
[09:58] <gamemastax`> broadcom wireless
[09:58] <ubun> Anybody has a SBLive! under Ubuntu?
[09:59] <synd> gamemastax`: youll need ndiswrapper for a broadcom
[09:59] <gge> compaq? what blend?
[09:59] <_kevin> how to un-install or remove a file/program that you installed by compiling and doing ./configure make and make install
[09:59] <gamemastax`> i have ndiswrapper
[09:59] <gamemastax`> i have it installed
[09:59] <gamemastax`> i have the driver
[09:59] <mjr> ubun, yes, works fine
[09:59] <HappyFool> _kevin: if you're lucky there's a 'make uninstall'
[10:00] <gamemastax`> it can SEE the wireless networks with wifi-radar, however, can't connect to them
[10:00] <gge> ...
[10:00] <HappyFool> _kevin: otherwise, you'll have to do it by finding the files it installed and removing them yourself
[10:00] <_kevin> there is no other way to un-intsall somethig in linux
[10:00] <_kevin> that is very bad if linux plans to step ahead of windows
[10:00] <HappyFool> _kevin: by default the app will be in /usr/local somewhere, so its files shouldn't be hard to find
[10:01] <HappyFool> _kevin: that is a strawman argument. if you are that level of user, you should use apt-get or synaptic
[10:01] <HappyFool> _kevin: ./configure + make are for expert level users
[10:01] <dfear> hi folks - having problems with lvm2 volgroup - output from pvscan says:   Couldn't find device with uuid 'QtiVj8-vb5m-0yoi-w2js-ucMc-2rPU-eJ7zJJ'.        PV unknown device   VG vgRoot   lvm2 [37.27 GB / 37.27 GB free]    - anyone know how to remove the unknown device from the volgroup?
[10:01] <_kevin> that is the main way to install something you download
[10:01] <_kevin> apt-get doesn't have everything
[10:01] <gamemastax`> someone help me get my wireless working >.<
[10:02] <ubun> mjr, Ubuntu detect it automatically?
[10:02] <mjr> ubun, yes
[10:02] <gamemastax`> Please?
[10:03] <lisa_> is it possible to get ubuntu to show something pretty while it boots, rather than all that geeky text?
[10:03] <gamemastax`> lisa_: GIVE INTO THE GEEK
[10:04] <lisa_> gamemastax`: oh, I have done.  but I would rather not see him all the time
[10:04] <gamemastax`> :o
[10:04] <delire> have a couple of estonian friends
[10:04] <gamemastax`> that's not healthy lisa
[10:04] <HappyFool> lisa_: other distro's (e.g., SuSE) do it, so it's obviously possible. i don't think it'll be too easy in current ubuntu though
[10:05] <delire> sorry, was for pm
[10:05] <sam2> if you run linux and hang out on irc you're already geeky enough not to care
[10:05] <transgress> i feel so gipped... i bought a taper to guage my ears up another size... and the taper just slide right through... didn't even have to use it...
[10:05] <jaysinn> sam2, true
[10:06] <lisa_> HappyFool: I've seen some distros show a happy pretty screen unless any step of the boot process takes too long, at which point it switches to geek-mode.  when the boot process continues, it goes back to the pretty screen
[10:06] <transgress> i guess i'll guage them to zeros like tomorrow so i at least feel as if i accomplished something
[10:07] <lisa_> thing is, I'm not really lisa, I'm dooglus.  I'm geeky enough not to care, but she isn't...
[10:07] <microhaxo> yawn
[10:07] <gamemastax`> lol
[10:07] <foodcoman> bergeek's in the house!
[10:08] <[v2hja] > delire,
[10:08] <gamemastax`> !seen dooglus
[10:08] <ubotu> dooglus <~chris@user-7773.lns3-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 22m 42s ago, saying: 'wish me luck with the reboot - hopefully I'll be back soon!  :)'.
[10:08] <microhaxo> what it is yo..
[10:08] <microhaxo> guys, im having problems installing AMERICAS ARMY for linux
[10:08] <microhaxo> it keeps saying that the md5 checkism is off
[10:08] <microhaxo> ?
[10:08] <gamemastax`> micro...
[10:08] <gamemastax`> lol
[10:08] <microhaxo> i have downloaded the game like 4 times
[10:08] <gamemastax`> what's your AA name
[10:08] <gamemastax`> and honorlevel
[10:09] <gamemastax`> I can't help your problem but i can play with you ^^
[10:09] <microhaxo> It was microhaxo, but i was banned for having a conspicues name..
[10:09] <microhaxo> honor was 41
[10:09] <foodcoman> Broken if it says checkism and not checksum    =)
[10:09] <jaysinn> Does anyone have a question?
[10:09] <microhaxo> lol
[10:09] <microhaxo> you know what i mean
[10:09] <delire> odd
[10:09] <foodcoman> Yeah.
[10:09] <sam2> all in all, i gotta say this ubuntu is pretty nice
[10:09] <delire> sure is
[10:09] <microhaxo> yea
[10:09] <microhaxo> it kicks ass
[10:09] <signius> WHat am i wearing is your starter question for 10 points
[10:09] <foodcoman> What is the link to America's Army?
[10:09] <delire> sam2 down OSX down win32!
[10:09] <[v2hja] > delire,
[10:09] <microhaxo> oh the direct?
[10:09] <gamemastax`> http://www.americasarmy.com
[10:09] <microhaxo> http://files.filefront.com/AA_SF_Linux_v23_Full_Install/;3813135;;/fileinfo.html
[10:10] <microhaxo> that comes up bad every time
[10:10] <microhaxo> so im dl from a diff source
[10:10] <microhaxo> at 256 kb/s cap :|
[10:10] <gamemastax`> i use fileplanet
[10:10] <microhaxo> 38%
[10:10] <gamemastax`> i have an account there
[10:10] <microhaxo> fileplanet dont have 2.3 fill
[10:10] <microhaxo> find it
[10:10] <microhaxo> lol
[10:11] <sam2> so far
[10:11] <foodcoman> AA purchase product?
[10:11] <foodcoman> Demo?
[10:11] <gamemastax`> wtf, aa costs money?
[10:11] <gamemastax`> no
[10:12] <delire> no, AA is a recreuitment game, they want to cover all demographics, poor or otherwise
[10:12] <seth_k> don't waste your time dl'ing america's army right now
[10:12] <jaysinn> foodcoman, what the fuck are you guys talking about?
[10:12] <hajiki> Hi, I keep trying to compile mplayer-pluging for firefox. I already isntalld mozilla-firefox-dev, but the compilation keeps complaining about a misiiing mozilla-plugin interface. any help?
[10:12] <seth_k> you can't play on official servers
[10:12] <seth_k> until aa 2.4 is released
[10:12] <microhaxo> lmao, then all i need is a patch
[10:12] <microhaxo> Ok
[10:12] <microhaxo> what is a GOOD FREE linux game then
[10:12] <microhaxo> lmao
[10:12] <seth_k> nope, you can't patch 2.3 -> 2.4
[10:12] <microhaxo> bah
[10:12] <seth_k> yo'ull have to dload the whole thing
[10:12] <foodcoman> jaysinn: Americas Army Game
[10:12] <seth_k> cause the engine changes :(
[10:12] <microhaxo> err
[10:12] <jaysinn> cool
[10:12] <microhaxo> so
[10:13] <microhaxo> i can do training
[10:13] <microhaxo> :D
[10:13] <microhaxo> cant it?
[10:13] <microhaxo> i?
[10:13] <seth_k> yep!
[10:13] <sam2> delire, i think winXP is pretty good, and what ive seen and heard of OSX it seems all right too
[10:13] <microhaxo> yay
[10:13] <seth_k> you could do the training
[10:13] <refuze2looze> why when i copy stuff it disappears from my clipboard?>
[10:13] <seth_k> but you'd have to download another 700 MB in a couple weeks...
[10:13] <microhaxo> im 7mbit down im fine :D
[10:13] <sam2> wouldnt they especially want the poor to play it so they can send them to war
[10:13] <hajiki> microhaxo, enemy territory is a free game based on the return to castle wolfenstein engine. enemy-territory.com
[10:13] <[v2hja] > delire,
[10:13] <hajiki> i think thats quake3, and its free
[10:13] <microhaxo> i was a beta tester for that game
[10:13] <microhaxo> lol
[10:13] <delire> sam2 xp is a toy OS. OSX is crippled UNIX
[10:13] <Fabian> i'm off! cu tomorrow or so.....
[10:13] <Nightcr8wl3r> is it free hajiki
[10:13] <microhaxo> cool, any others?
[10:14] <delire> [v2hja]  so 900 now?
[10:14] <hajiki> Nightcr8wl3r, yeah its free, but its online only
[10:15] <hajiki> Nightcr8wl3r, It's free and open source
[10:15] <seth_k> enemy territory rocks
[10:15] <seth_k> I like Vendetta, but not free
[10:15] <hajiki> I like battlefield 2 demo =p
[10:15] <microhaxo> for linux?!
[10:15] <ztonzy> delire, evening
[10:16] <microhaxo> bf2 demo is for linux TOO!!>>!?!?
[10:16] <Nightcr8wl3r> hajiki - thanks..I will take a look at it
[10:16] <seth_k> microhaxo, here's the uberlist of games: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5153
[10:16] <microhaxo> lol
[10:16] <microhaxo> cool
[10:16] <mindmedic> Stop the tank! Use grenedes, use panzerfausts!
[10:17] <sam2> delire, XP does everything most people need in an easy way that works
[10:17] <socomm> sam2: Ha!
[10:17] <Veinor> Hi, I'm still working on the installation...
[10:17] <delire> sam2 hehe it's mostly borken. people are just used to the m$ take on "just works"
[10:18] <Veinor> And I was told to use expert mode to avoid trying to connect to the network repositories...
[10:18] <decaf> Veinor: so?
[10:18] <Gabriel> Is there a utility that allow me to view all computers in a Apple network (mac os x computers) ?
[10:19] <Veinor> And I'm wondering what option I should set to avoid doing this
[10:19] <microhaxo> hey wit
[10:19] <microhaxo> so battlefield 2 isnt for linux :|
[10:19] <decaf> Veinor: you just start with typing 'expert' at boot prompt