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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu 5.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu | ||
| === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Apr 8 09:50:53 2005 | ||
| allee | Riddell: ping? knemo and network notifications (knemo) | 02:14 |
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| Riddell | allee: hmm? | 02:14 |
| allee | I wonder if there are any plans about (network) notifications already | 02:15 |
| allee | ? | 02:15 |
| allee | in udu is a page about a general eventnotifier, but kde(pim) has already networkstatus and finally there's knemo ... | 02:16 |
| Riddell | knemo is too hard to set up | 02:17 |
| allee | any plans about the route kubuntu will go for breezy | 02:17 |
| Riddell | what is networkstatus? | 02:17 |
| allee | easier setup is on of the TODO things for knemo | 02:17 |
| Riddell | ivman can monitor HAL for changes in network and pop up friendly messages | 02:17 |
| allee | kded module. see KDE services | 02:18 |
| allee | AFAIR on ivman homepage author is not sure if ivman or dbus/hal is the way to the future | 02:18 |
| Riddell | why wouldn't it be? | 02:19 |
| allee | Btw. networkstatus does (passiv) popups already | 02:19 |
| allee | "<Riddell> why wouldn't it be?". Maybe I recall wrong. | 02:20 |
| allee | nevertheless knemo does much more than just show an icon on net connections ... | 02:20 |
| Riddell | my kded has Network Status Daemon running but I've never seen any popups | 02:21 |
| Riddell | what else does knemo do? | 02:21 |
| allee | that's the reason why I think about replacing knemo polling with 'a app' informs knemo about network changes. Knemo stays passive until more info or monitoring is required | 02:21 |
| allee | Riddell: tooltip with network infos. Monitor traffic. custom action for interfaces (e.g. ifup/down) | 02:22 |
| allee | Riddell: knemo does almost everything the littel network icons in windows systray can do | 02:23 |
| Riddell | I would like knemo in there but it needs to set itself up | 02:23 |
| allee | as I said it's on my TODO ;) | 02:23 |
| allee | If knemo gets if existance/up/down info form an external tool. Setup can be made almost automatic ... | 02:24 |
| Riddell | hal :) | 02:25 |
| allee | except the decision: to show an icon for an iface or not. this has to be decided and written to an config file | 02:25 |
| Riddell | why? if it's up show it, else don't | 02:25 |
| Riddell | and don't show loopback | 02:25 |
| allee | hal is 'low' level. Maybe a 'dispatcher' like ivman or merge knemo and networkstatus. I'm not sure yet | 02:27 |
| allee | window does _not_ show icon per default | 02:27 |
| allee | as I said one has to decide ;) | 02:27 |
| allee | I'll have another more deeper look at ivman ... | 02:29 |
| allee | btw. is kay designed to be feed by ivman (I've to talk with JRe about it. Some design decision I don't understand) | 02:29 |
| Riddell | it's not designed for ivman no, but if we use it it'll be with ivman | 02:31 |
| allee | will ubuntu go with ivman too? | 02:32 |
| Riddell | no, they'll still with gnome-volume-manager | 02:32 |
| allee | wait I'll search the udu page ... | 02:32 |
| allee | it's late, can't find it :( | 02:45 |
| allee | thx for the infos Riddell. I'll check ivman doc and code to see what needs adaption in knemo | 02:45 |
| allee | mhmm, no pkg for ivman yet? | 03:01 |
| Riddell | I havn't uploaded it yet, will probably do so tomorrow | 03:03 |
| Riddell | http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/ivman/ | 03:03 |
| allee | thx | 03:27 |
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| \sh | hey jre | 09:51 |
| JRe | hey! | 09:51 |
| JRe | \sh: no response for the thread about gpl/apache license :( | 09:51 |
| \sh | JRe: nobody is interessted | 09:52 |
| JRe | \sh: may be we should ask that on debian-devel or legal | 09:53 |
| \sh | i don't want to have debian involved...that would produce too much of hot air ;) | 09:54 |
| JRe | \sh: yeah that's what i think too ;) ;) | 09:55 |
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| allee | JRe: ping? | 11:39 |
| JRe | allee: pong! | 11:40 |
| allee | JRe: hi | 11:40 |
| JRe | allee: elo! | 11:40 |
| allee | JRe: I looked at kay and I wonder why you choose the action as single xml file. My .. | 11:40 |
| allee | concern is how to other pkg register | 11:40 |
| allee | JRe: e.g. digikam gets installed. Is there an easy way to regist to e.g., DATACD | 11:41 |
| JRe | allee: maybe it would be better to make several actions file ? | 11:41 |
| JRe | allee: in several directories ? | 11:42 |
| allee | JRe: my first idea was a apps/kay/action.d/<app>.xml | 11:42 |
| JRe | allee: yeah! good idea! | 11:43 |
| JRe | allee: and in the <app>.xml the displayed categories are configurable | 11:44 |
| allee | JRe: can there be even new categories? e.g. AUDIOINPUT? | 11:45 |
| JRe | sure! | 11:45 |
| allee | JRe: great! | 11:45 |
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| allee | brb | 11:47 |
| JRe | okay C U! | 11:47 |
| allee | JRe: for kay TODO: check in executeable exists. either do not display the action or pop up error msg | 11:52 |
| JRe | allee: yeah! good idea ;) | 11:53 |
| allee | JRe: if you go with action.d/ it may be nice to watch for changes so if an app registers an action it's immediately available | 11:54 |
| JRe | allee: yeah sure | 11:54 |
| allee | JRe: how do you 'restart' kay during development. Kill/start kded? | 11:54 |
| JRe | allee: restarting kded yes | 11:55 |
| JRe | allee: you really told be a bunch of great feature to add ;) i will add all of that in the TODO for the 0.4 version | 11:56 |
| allee | KDEDmodules lack infrastucture (load/unload/help/config ;) | 11:57 |
| Riddell | actually you can load and unload them from kcontrol | 11:58 |
| Riddell | "KDE Components" | 11:58 |
| Riddell | or systemsettings | 11:58 |
| allee | mhmm, a method to add a new action with the popup would be nice too. If favorite app is not there add it is one click away | 11:58 |
| allee | Riddell: stop/start I know but unload/load mhmm only tried in 3.3 days. checking ... | 11:59 |
| Riddell | ah you mean if new services are added | 12:00 |
| JRe | allee: you mean adding an action directly from the action dialog ? | 12:00 |
| allee | Riddell: no. I mean during development testing one needs to (re)load the kdedmodule | 12:01 |
| JRe | Riddell: you con stop and start but it's the same version loaded | 12:02 |
| allee | some apps didn't like if one kills kded under their feet (at least in 3.3 days) | 12:02 |
| allee | but missing load/unload is no big deal. That in 'service manager' is now way to access help or configure the service is MUCH more bad from usage point of view | 12:03 |
| allee | JRe: yes. E.g. yesterday I added my usbstick triggered started kay and digikam was not there. Would be nice to be able to add the (favorite) app now. | 12:06 |
| JRe | allee: once again, you're right ;) | 12:06 |
| allee | First time usage experience is usualy the best input (after some usage one tends to focus on special personal wishes ;) | 12:08 |
| \sh | Riddell: what about your cxx bugs in malone? | 12:10 |
| JRe | allee: right! i'll try to put all these features in kay 0.4.0: application hook, standard apps checker, quick add | 12:11 |
| Riddell | \sh: what about them? | 12:13 |
| allee | JRe: 0.3.2 is already a huge step in the right direction! Congrats | 12:13 |
| JRe | allee: thanks ;) | 12:13 |
| allee | JRe: btw you may add it to kde-apps (mentioning developed for kubuntu but usable also on other general dists ;) | 12:16 |
| \sh | Riddell: is it for later? i'm trying to clean malone a bit...but malone doesn't like me..it's not unusable | 12:18 |
| Riddell | \sh: it's for debian's sake | 12:19 |
| \sh | Riddell: aha :) | 12:19 |
| Riddell | \sh: if you can work out how to say that it's fixed in ubuntu and not debian that would be nifty | 12:20 |
| \sh | Riddell: well...file a bug in debian, say "fixed" in malone...;) | 12:21 |
| \sh | i can't even change the status and go back to the bug commenting page | 12:21 |
| \sh | it's not usable...as i said *grmpf* | 12:22 |
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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu 5.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu | ||
| === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Apr 8 09:50:53 2005 | ||
| JRe | allee: yes you're right! i wait for sourceforge to accept my project and as soon as it's done i'll put a link to kde-apps | 12:24 |
| allee | JRe: My favorite is KDE svn extragear or playground for some time. Better translation, better peer review ;) | 12:28 |
| JRe | allee: yeah i should move to that place, but only if people from kde found my little app interesting. Moreover i have also to send some patches in order that they trust me | 12:30 |
| allee | JRe: really? It will be used in kubuntu, won't it? I guess asking on kde-extragear / helio should be enough | 12:32 |
| allee | lunch | 12:32 |
| Riddell | JRe: do you have an SVN account? | 12:33 |
| JRe | Riddell: nop | 12:33 |
| Riddell | that would be the problem then | 12:33 |
| JRe | ??? | 12:36 |
| Riddell | hard to put it in KDE's SVN without an account | 12:37 |
| JRe | Riddell:yeah i have to contribute to KDE a lot in order to have an account ;) ;) ;) | 12:37 |
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| amu | Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdenonbeta/kdedebian/livecd/ | 01:41 |
| amu | that's a early version of the liveCD installer in python with qt bindings | 01:41 |
| Riddell | amu: looks pretty inactive | 01:43 |
| allee | JRe: No, not a lot. Btw. you have already KDE code to contribute (btw, much more than I did). Just ask yourself are you commited to work on kay. Then ping heliocasto on #kde-devel | 01:43 |
| amu | Riddell: it works for the old style liveCD's .. it was an initial checkin by carsten, phil has meanwhile newer versions | 01:44 |
| amu | asked phil for a newer version, after i get it, i'll update it. | 01:46 |
| Riddell | who is phil? | 01:47 |
| amu | the installer is diffent than my idea, my plan is CD is installable with just a boot option | 01:48 |
| amu | Philip Stadermann | 01:50 |
| Riddell | don't know him | 01:51 |
| \sh | riddell: breezy, installed kubuntu-desktop...no kde as login session in kdm/gdm | 01:56 |
| Riddell | \sh: what do you have? | 01:57 |
| \sh | Riddell: gnome, failsafe | 01:57 |
| Riddell | that's not good | 01:59 |
| Riddell | it's working for me | 01:59 |
| \sh | i made an update of hoary... | 02:00 |
| Riddell | me too | 02:00 |
| \sh | where r the session files normally stored, that kdm/xdm/gdm knows about the available sessions? | 02:00 |
| Riddell | did you keep your old kdmrc or use the new one? | 02:00 |
| allee | \sh so did I 2 days ago. gnome was default but kde was there | 02:00 |
| Riddell | /usr/share/xsessions/ | 02:01 |
| \sh | only gnome.desktop inside | 02:01 |
| \sh | ah | 02:02 |
| \sh | ksmserver was not installed during kubuntu-desktop install | 02:02 |
| \sh | and kpersonalizer also not | 02:02 |
| Riddell | does it need kpersonalizer? | 02:03 |
| \sh | ksmserver suggest kpersonalizer..but kde.desktop for the xsession is in ksmserver | 02:04 |
| \sh | ok...changing clients...moment | 02:04 |
| \sh | back | 02:05 |
| \sh | ok...but in the end...adjusting fontpath, and installing ksmserver, and breezy looks fine even with kde | 02:06 |
| Riddell | \sh: which widget theme does it use? | 02:06 |
| Riddell | kwin depends on ksmserver | 02:07 |
| \sh | plastik (for me) | 02:07 |
| \sh | but this was default for kubuntu kde-3.4.1 packages | 02:07 |
| Riddell | nope, it suggests it | 02:07 |
| \sh | put it as dependency in kubuntu-desktop-meta | 02:08 |
| Riddell | hmm, lipstik has stopped working altogether | 02:12 |
| Riddell | \sh: tried systemsettings? | 02:15 |
| \sh | hmmm | 02:15 |
| \sh | kcontrol -> SysAdm -> Date & Time -> Admin Mode ==> No kdesu box nothing | 02:16 |
| Riddell | \sh: works for me | 02:18 |
| Riddell | \sh: do you have a password required for sudo? | 02:18 |
| \sh | yes... | 02:18 |
| Riddell | \sh: do you have kdesu installed? | 02:18 |
| \sh | hmmm | 02:19 |
| \sh | apt-cache search kdesu brings nothing | 02:19 |
| Riddell | part of kdebase-bin | 02:20 |
| \sh | is installed | 02:21 |
| \sh | kdesu -c synaptic is working | 02:21 |
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| jdong | I assume here's where I find Kubuntu developers? | 04:08 |
| Riddell | jdong: certainly is | 04:08 |
| jdong | k, good to know, lol | 04:11 |
| Riddell | jdong: doing a backport of amarok? anything else? | 04:14 |
| jdong | Riddell: one of my devs is doing k3b and amarok | 04:19 |
| Riddell | jdong: give us a poke when they're in backports non-staging and I'll put a note on the website and mailing lists | 04:20 |
| jdong | ok, sure | 04:25 |
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| JRe | allee: who was alleHol ? | 05:02 |
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| allee | JRe: alleeHol is me on my breezy host. | 05:03 |
| JRe | allee: ;) | 05:03 |
| allee | JRe: I'm leaving soon and want to catch the logs | 05:04 |
| JRe | allee: there is a way to start a deamon which log irc ? | 05:04 |
| Riddell | screen is your friend | 05:04 |
| allee | Riddell: screen is no good with konversation ;) | 05:05 |
| Riddell | then either irssi is your friend or NX is | 05:06 |
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| JRe | \sh: dircproxy seems to be what i need ;) | 05:08 |
| \sh | JRe: u can take logs with it, and it's a nice backend for irssi, xchat and konversation :) | 05:09 |
| \sh | i have it on my rootie running :) | 05:09 |
| allee | thx for the tips. I'm not sure if I ever find the time to scan the weekend discussion. For now it's just a try. | 05:09 |
| \sh | allee: but fabbione is logging all the stuff | 05:09 |
| \sh | people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/ | 05:10 |
| JRe | \sh: wow magic ;) ! | 05:10 |
| Riddell | elmo: I uploaded a wrong version of ivman to NEW, could you delete it so I can upload the good one | 05:12 |
| allee | \sh: only *ubuntu* nevertheless good to know | 05:12 |
| Riddell | allee: kubuntu is in there | 05:13 |
| Riddell | you were expecting the whole of IRC? | 05:13 |
| \sh | lol | 05:14 |
| \sh | for that u should ask all irc admins ;) | 05:14 |
| allee | Riddell: eh eh, Of course ;) | 05:14 |
| allee | have a nice time. I'll join (as allee) whenever I've time over the weekend. Bye | 05:15 |
| JRe | hehe i learn in the logs that usins @cdbs@ is not a good idea ;) | 05:16 |
| JRe | wow ubuntu wiki is far better now ! | 05:36 |
| Riddell | uniq: the package for kio-locate needs a clean rule that works | 06:13 |
| Riddell | \sh: could you review katapult | 06:27 |
| Riddell | uniq: ipodslave reviewed | 06:56 |
| Riddell | changing package name to kio-ipod may or may not be a good idea, upstream is ipodslave so I expect that's fine | 06:57 |
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| motaboy | Hi all! | 07:11 |
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| elmo | Riddell: presumably kde-i18n source is obsolete and can be removed and shouldn't be synced? | 07:56 |
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| Riddell | elmo: yes | 09:23 |
| elmo | k, done | 09:24 |
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| gtaylor | You guys would probably get a kick out of this: http://clemsonlinux.org/~gtaylor/gallery/albums/Misc/dscf0551.sized.jpg | 11:59 |
| gtaylor | And the CDs look nice Riddell | 11:59 |
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