=== ubuntulog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu 5.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Apr 8 09:50:53 2005 [02:14] Riddell: ping? knemo and network notifications (knemo) [02:14] allee: hmm? [02:15] I wonder if there are any plans about (network) notifications already [02:15] ? [02:16] in udu is a page about a general eventnotifier, but kde(pim) has already networkstatus and finally there's knemo ... [02:17] knemo is too hard to set up [02:17] any plans about the route kubuntu will go for breezy [02:17] what is networkstatus? [02:17] easier setup is on of the TODO things for knemo [02:17] ivman can monitor HAL for changes in network and pop up friendly messages [02:18] kded module. see KDE services [02:18] AFAIR on ivman homepage author is not sure if ivman or dbus/hal is the way to the future [02:19] why wouldn't it be? [02:19] Btw. networkstatus does (passiv) popups already [02:20] " why wouldn't it be?". Maybe I recall wrong. [02:20] nevertheless knemo does much more than just show an icon on net connections ... [02:21] my kded has Network Status Daemon running but I've never seen any popups [02:21] what else does knemo do? [02:21] that's the reason why I think about replacing knemo polling with 'a app' informs knemo about network changes. Knemo stays passive until more info or monitoring is required [02:22] Riddell: tooltip with network infos. Monitor traffic. custom action for interfaces (e.g. ifup/down) [02:23] Riddell: knemo does almost everything the littel network icons in windows systray can do [02:23] I would like knemo in there but it needs to set itself up [02:23] as I said it's on my TODO ;) [02:24] If knemo gets if existance/up/down info form an external tool. Setup can be made almost automatic ... [02:25] hal :) [02:25] except the decision: to show an icon for an iface or not. this has to be decided and written to an config file [02:25] why? if it's up show it, else don't [02:25] and don't show loopback [02:27] hal is 'low' level. Maybe a 'dispatcher' like ivman or merge knemo and networkstatus. I'm not sure yet [02:27] window does _not_ show icon per default [02:27] as I said one has to decide ;) [02:29] I'll have another more deeper look at ivman ... [02:29] btw. is kay designed to be feed by ivman (I've to talk with JRe about it. Some design decision I don't understand) [02:31] it's not designed for ivman no, but if we use it it'll be with ivman [02:32] will ubuntu go with ivman too? [02:32] no, they'll still with gnome-volume-manager [02:32] wait I'll search the udu page ... [02:45] it's late, can't find it :( [02:45] thx for the infos Riddell. I'll check ivman doc and code to see what needs adaption in knemo [03:01] mhmm, no pkg for ivman yet? [03:03] I havn't uploaded it yet, will probably do so tomorrow [03:03] http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/ivman/ [03:27] thx === je4d_ [~jeff@demantoid.trinhall.cam.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [~hunger@p54A639DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-201-214.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:51] <\sh> hey jre [09:51] hey! [09:51] \sh: no response for the thread about gpl/apache license :( [09:52] <\sh> JRe: nobody is interessted [09:53] \sh: may be we should ask that on debian-devel or legal [09:54] <\sh> i don't want to have debian involved...that would produce too much of hot air ;) [09:55] \sh: yeah that's what i think too ;) ;) === hunger [~hunger@p54A66842.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === froud [~sean@ndn-165-146-74.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _froud [~sean@ndn-165-146-74.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === smurfix [~smurf@smurfix.developer.debian] has joined #kubuntu-devel === smurfix [~smurf@smurfix.developer.debian] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [11:39] JRe: ping? [11:40] allee: pong! [11:40] JRe: hi [11:40] allee: elo! [11:40] JRe: I looked at kay and I wonder why you choose the action as single xml file. My .. [11:40] concern is how to other pkg register [11:41] JRe: e.g. digikam gets installed. Is there an easy way to regist to e.g., DATACD [11:41] allee: maybe it would be better to make several actions file ? [11:42] allee: in several directories ? [11:42] JRe: my first idea was a apps/kay/action.d/.xml [11:43] allee: yeah! good idea! [11:44] allee: and in the .xml the displayed categories are configurable [11:45] JRe: can there be even new categories? e.g. AUDIOINPUT? [11:45] sure! [11:45] JRe: great! === amu [~amu@amu.developer.debian] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:47] brb [11:47] okay C U! [11:52] JRe: for kay TODO: check in executeable exists. either do not display the action or pop up error msg [11:53] allee: yeah! good idea ;) [11:54] JRe: if you go with action.d/ it may be nice to watch for changes so if an app registers an action it's immediately available [11:54] allee: yeah sure [11:54] JRe: how do you 'restart' kay during development. Kill/start kded? [11:55] allee: restarting kded yes [11:56] allee: you really told be a bunch of great feature to add ;) i will add all of that in the TODO for the 0.4 version [11:57] KDEDmodules lack infrastucture (load/unload/help/config ;) [11:58] actually you can load and unload them from kcontrol [11:58] "KDE Components" [11:58] or systemsettings [11:58] mhmm, a method to add a new action with the popup would be nice too. If favorite app is not there add it is one click away [11:59] Riddell: stop/start I know but unload/load mhmm only tried in 3.3 days. checking ... [12:00] ah you mean if new services are added [12:00] allee: you mean adding an action directly from the action dialog ? [12:01] Riddell: no. I mean during development testing one needs to (re)load the kdedmodule [12:02] Riddell: you con stop and start but it's the same version loaded [12:02] some apps didn't like if one kills kded under their feet (at least in 3.3 days) [12:03] but missing load/unload is no big deal. That in 'service manager' is now way to access help or configure the service is MUCH more bad from usage point of view [12:06] JRe: yes. E.g. yesterday I added my usbstick triggered started kay and digikam was not there. Would be nice to be able to add the (favorite) app now. [12:06] allee: once again, you're right ;) [12:08] First time usage experience is usualy the best input (after some usage one tends to focus on special personal wishes ;) [12:10] <\sh> Riddell: what about your cxx bugs in malone? [12:11] allee: right! i'll try to put all these features in kay 0.4.0: application hook, standard apps checker, quick add [12:13] \sh: what about them? [12:13] JRe: 0.3.2 is already a huge step in the right direction! Congrats [12:13] allee: thanks ;) [12:16] JRe: btw you may add it to kde-apps (mentioning developed for kubuntu but usable also on other general dists ;) [12:18] <\sh> Riddell: is it for later? i'm trying to clean malone a bit...but malone doesn't like me..it's not unusable [12:19] \sh: it's for debian's sake [12:19] <\sh> Riddell: aha :) [12:20] \sh: if you can work out how to say that it's fixed in ubuntu and not debian that would be nifty [12:21] <\sh> Riddell: well...file a bug in debian, say "fixed" in malone...;) [12:21] <\sh> i can't even change the status and go back to the bug commenting page [12:22] <\sh> it's not usable...as i said *grmpf* === warthylog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu 5.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-release.php | https://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Kubuntu === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Fri Apr 8 09:50:53 2005 [12:24] allee: yes you're right! i wait for sourceforge to accept my project and as soon as it's done i'll put a link to kde-apps [12:28] JRe: My favorite is KDE svn extragear or playground for some time. Better translation, better peer review ;) [12:30] allee: yeah i should move to that place, but only if people from kde found my little app interesting. Moreover i have also to send some patches in order that they trust me [12:32] JRe: really? It will be used in kubuntu, won't it? I guess asking on kde-extragear / helio should be enough [12:32] lunch [12:33] JRe: do you have an SVN account? [12:33] Riddell: nop [12:33] that would be the problem then [12:36] ??? [12:37] hard to put it in KDE's SVN without an account [12:37] Riddell:yeah i have to contribute to KDE a lot in order to have an account ;) ;) ;) === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-062-132.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:41] Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdenonbeta/kdedebian/livecd/ [01:41] that's a early version of the liveCD installer in python with qt bindings [01:43] amu: looks pretty inactive [01:43] JRe: No, not a lot. Btw. you have already KDE code to contribute (btw, much more than I did). Just ask yourself are you commited to work on kay. Then ping heliocasto on #kde-devel [01:44] Riddell: it works for the old style liveCD's .. it was an initial checkin by carsten, phil has meanwhile newer versions [01:46] asked phil for a newer version, after i get it, i'll update it. [01:47] who is phil? [01:48] the installer is diffent than my idea, my plan is CD is installable with just a boot option [01:50] Philip Stadermann [01:51] don't know him [01:56] <\sh> riddell: breezy, installed kubuntu-desktop...no kde as login session in kdm/gdm [01:57] \sh: what do you have? [01:57] <\sh> Riddell: gnome, failsafe [01:59] that's not good [01:59] it's working for me [02:00] <\sh> i made an update of hoary... [02:00] me too [02:00] <\sh> where r the session files normally stored, that kdm/xdm/gdm knows about the available sessions? [02:00] did you keep your old kdmrc or use the new one? [02:00] \sh so did I 2 days ago. gnome was default but kde was there [02:01] /usr/share/xsessions/ [02:01] <\sh> only gnome.desktop inside [02:02] <\sh> ah [02:02] <\sh> ksmserver was not installed during kubuntu-desktop install [02:02] <\sh> and kpersonalizer also not [02:03] does it need kpersonalizer? [02:04] <\sh> ksmserver suggest kpersonalizer..but kde.desktop for the xsession is in ksmserver [02:04] <\sh> ok...changing clients...moment [02:05] <\sh> back [02:06] <\sh> ok...but in the end...adjusting fontpath, and installing ksmserver, and breezy looks fine even with kde [02:06] \sh: which widget theme does it use? [02:07] kwin depends on ksmserver [02:07] <\sh> plastik (for me) [02:07] <\sh> but this was default for kubuntu kde-3.4.1 packages [02:07] nope, it suggests it [02:08] <\sh> put it as dependency in kubuntu-desktop-meta [02:12] hmm, lipstik has stopped working altogether [02:15] \sh: tried systemsettings? [02:15] <\sh> hmmm [02:16] <\sh> kcontrol -> SysAdm -> Date & Time -> Admin Mode ==> No kdesu box nothing [02:18] \sh: works for me [02:18] \sh: do you have a password required for sudo? [02:18] <\sh> yes... [02:18] \sh: do you have kdesu installed? [02:19] <\sh> hmmm [02:19] <\sh> apt-cache search kdesu brings nothing [02:20] part of kdebase-bin [02:21] <\sh> is installed [02:21] <\sh> kdesu -c synaptic is working === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KabelKasper [~vloechte@i5387E4A5.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [~jdong@d149-67-171-99.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:08] I assume here's where I find Kubuntu developers? [04:08] jdong: certainly is [04:11] k, good to know, lol [04:14] jdong: doing a backport of amarok? anything else? [04:19] Riddell: one of my devs is doing k3b and amarok [04:20] jdong: give us a poke when they're in backports non-staging and I'll put a note on the website and mailing lists [04:25] ok, sure === froud [~sean@ndn-165-146-74.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [~ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === alleeHol [~janus@janus.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:02] allee: who was alleHol ? === alleeHol [~janus@janus.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:03] JRe: alleeHol is me on my breezy host. [05:03] allee: ;) [05:04] JRe: I'm leaving soon and want to catch the logs [05:04] allee: there is a way to start a deamon which log irc ? [05:04] screen is your friend [05:05] Riddell: screen is no good with konversation ;) [05:06] then either irssi is your friend or NX is === \sh is using dircproxy [05:08] \sh: dircproxy seems to be what i need ;) [05:09] <\sh> JRe: u can take logs with it, and it's a nice backend for irssi, xchat and konversation :) [05:09] <\sh> i have it on my rootie running :) [05:09] thx for the tips. I'm not sure if I ever find the time to scan the weekend discussion. For now it's just a try. [05:09] <\sh> allee: but fabbione is logging all the stuff [05:10] <\sh> people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/ [05:10] \sh: wow magic ;) ! [05:12] elmo: I uploaded a wrong version of ivman to NEW, could you delete it so I can upload the good one [05:12] \sh: only *ubuntu* nevertheless good to know [05:13] allee: kubuntu is in there [05:13] you were expecting the whole of IRC? [05:14] <\sh> lol [05:14] <\sh> for that u should ask all irc admins ;) [05:14] Riddell: eh eh, Of course ;) [05:15] have a nice time. I'll join (as allee) whenever I've time over the weekend. Bye [05:16] hehe i learn in the logs that usins @cdbs@ is not a good idea ;) [05:36] wow ubuntu wiki is far better now ! [06:13] uniq: the package for kio-locate needs a clean rule that works [06:27] \sh: could you review katapult [06:56] uniq: ipodslave reviewed [06:57] changing package name to kio-ipod may or may not be a good idea, upstream is ipodslave so I expect that's fine === motaboy [~motaboy@host253-3.pool80183.interbusiness.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:11] Hi all! === froud [~sean@ndn-165-146-74.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:56] Riddell: presumably kde-i18n source is obsolete and can be removed and shouldn't be synced? === dato_ [~adeodato@84-120-77-228.onocable.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dato_ [~adeodato@84-120-77-228.onocable.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dato_ [~adeodato@84-120-77-228.onocable.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gtaylor [~GTaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KabelKasper [~vloechte@i5387E4A5.versanet.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === clincks_ [~clincks@83-134-199-48.Namur.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:23] elmo: yes [09:24] k, done === clincks_ [~clincks@83-134-195-59.Namur.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KabelKasper [~vloechte@i5387E4A5.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KabelKasper [~vloechte@i5387E4A5.versanet.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === gtaylor [~GTaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === KaiL_ [KaiL@p548F7FEC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gtaylor [~GTaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:59] You guys would probably get a kick out of this: http://clemsonlinux.org/~gtaylor/gallery/albums/Misc/dscf0551.sized.jpg [11:59] And the CDs look nice Riddell