=== ubuntulog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by mdke at Wed Jun 8 12:55:34 2005 === mdke [~mdke@81-178-111-230.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mvirkkil [~mvirkkil@vipunen.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jeffsch [~jeffsch@fatwire-201-201.uniserve.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:16] jeffsch, hi [06:16] hello === mpt tries not to fall asleep again [06:26] hmmm its only past lunch :P === jeffsch is now known as jeff-away === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:00] Burgundavia, ping? [09:04] salut [09:04] have you seen froud lately? [09:05] he was in here last night I think [09:09] ahh he's been editing some wiki entries a few minutes ago [09:14] hmm i still like mediawiki [09:16] yes [09:16] the history feature on the new wiki also sucks [09:16] i agree [09:16] and mediawiki also more power of making pages look pretty [09:16] why do i have this feeling it just became more complicated [09:17] Burgundavia, i always steal wiki code from wikipedia heh [09:17] mediawiki is PHP [09:17] even so, its one of the few PHP apps worth using [09:18] (heck i use it in this laptop for myself) === froud [~sean@ndn-165-146-74.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:20] froud, hi [10:21] hi jsgotangco [10:21] nice one on edubuntu dude, what's the plan [10:21] froud, up in the air, but i just copied what you did on the kde/gnome thing [10:22] have to chatted with the ppl at edu === smurflogbot [~SmurfLogB@netz.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:22] froud, yes, they are ok with it [10:22] froud, what are you plans [10:22] cool so they all know they should look to do their docs in svn [10:23] there was one guy who wanted to do the stuff in moin, but i told him its still WIP while its not possible, we stick to svn [10:24] mt plans are to wait and see what happens at the meeting [10:25] I may/may not come to the meeting its at 2AM my time right [10:25] ok [10:25] but I dont think I will have much to say [10:26] I want everyone else to decide on direction, that way I am not in the firing line later [10:26] froud, will the forrest/lenya thing work in a virtual server like linode [10:27] you need to run a tomcat [10:27] I have no idea if it will work on a vserver [10:27] I think it will messup the other servers [10:27] (should investigate) [10:28] he he, you can if you like [10:28] but look at doc [10:28] doco [10:28] that is more or less the idea [10:28] hmmm a virtual dedicated server [10:29] doco? [10:30] have you talked to greg taylor and troy williams, they are very good contributors at the moment [10:30] http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon/Doco [10:31] I have arrange greg to be a committer [10:31] what is troy's nic [10:31] i think its judax [10:31] hav enot met him yet [10:31] will chat when I see him [10:32] (doco looks complicated) [10:32] you and mpt speaking about install guide [10:32] what's cooking there [10:33] there's a breezy plan to have at least an install guide in PDF in the CD that people can print out [10:33] because during install, most people won't be connectedto the net [10:33] This is all my BrainDump, it hasn't been approved yet :-) [10:33] well you know there is an install guide [10:33] my DraftSpecification, rather [10:33] though sabdfl seemed to like it [10:34] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/MigratingToUbuntu [10:34] since we don't have a printed manual to begin with [10:34] also mentioned in http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpfulHelp [10:34] mpt, install guide for kubuntu is in svn you need just add ubuntu screenshot you req specs and you have an install guide for ubuntu [10:35] need first screen boot: [10:36] https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/generic/instalguide/C [10:36] I am Patience Alex, the only daughter of late Mr. and Mrs. Alex. My father was a very wealthy cocoa merchant in South Africa; my father was poisoned to death by his business associates on one of their outings on a business trip. [10:36] whoa [10:36] ZA conspiracy! [10:37] Poisoned by fake cocoa [10:37] whoa scam [10:37] there must be a million of those scam stories [10:38] mpt: you may want to contribute to the install guide [10:38] I've only ever installed Ubuntu once, it was Hoary, sabdfl was helping, and I was hallucinating at the time [10:39] I am REALLY not the best person to contribute to the install guide at the moment :-) [10:39] mpt: it is structured differently to most install guides [10:39] the first part deals with the default workstation install [10:39] and branches into more complicated sections [10:39] it is very graphic [10:40] hallucinating? [10:40] yeah, I hadn't slept for about 36 hours or so [10:40] judax: hello [10:40] I'll try to have a crack at the installation guide based on a Colony ISO when I'm in Brazil [10:41] Colony ISO? [10:41] Brazil? [10:41] froud, Colony is the milestone cd for breezy [10:41] just like Sounder and Array [10:41] from previous releases [10:41] ok, when is colony [10:42] Colony-1 is out already [10:42] but afaik, there are major changes due to happen to the installer [10:42] such as, it becoming graphical === Seveas [~seveas@ksl403-uva-153.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:44] I'm going to Brazil next month and working from there for three months or five [10:45] wow [10:45] Like most men, Im a huge fan of big and juicy melons the firmer and fruitier the better. [10:45] http://www.wordpress.tokyotimes.org/index.php?p=568 [10:47] mpt: updating install guide for graphic install will not be a problem [10:48] btw, has colony 1 already got the gui [10:50] afaik, its basically the same thing with hoary, not much to look at [10:50] but the new stuff is quite interesting [10:51] so I dunno, is or is there not a gui on colony 1 [10:53] by gui are we speaking about something like the suse installation [10:53] yast [10:54] froud: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalInstaller === _froud [~sean@ndn-165-146-74.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:08] hi [11:13] morning [11:14] sup? [11:14] nothing much how about you [11:14] ditto [11:15] "hack the source" ;) [11:15] then get working on those docs [11:15] hah [11:15] come on give me a break, i want it to be lively [11:15] our ml has been so quiet [11:15] i was inspired [11:15] ill take that as a compliment [11:16] complement [11:16] hmm [11:16] whats correct [11:16] the first one [11:16] but I will never feel totally confortable about using the words "hack" and "source" when talking about docs [11:16] well xml is source [11:17] i sposee [11:17] im gonna do other stuff for now [11:17] kquickguide is as good as done with those two new contributors [11:18] yep [11:18] have you seen sean today? [11:18] he wanted to talk to you about the installguide i think [11:19] yes [11:19] cool [11:23] well lets hope 4 the best later [11:24] sure [11:24] i'll be back this evening for the meeting [11:24] gtg now [11:27] Who has made the theme for the new wiki? [11:28] never mind. It was my own mistake. [11:38] henrik === smurflogbot [~SmurfLogB@netz.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:41] i should sleep early :-) === smurflogbot [~SmurfLogB@netz.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === smurflogbot [~SmurfLogB@netz.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === smurflogbot [~SmurfLogB@netz.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === smurflogbot [~SmurfLogB@netz.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === smurflogbot [~SmurfLogB@netz.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc === smurflogbot [~SmurfLogB@netz.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:15] oh well see you guys later then === smurflogbot [~SmurfLogB@netz.smurf.noris.de] has left #ubuntu-doc ["smurfix"] === warthylog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by mdke at Wed Jun 8 12:55:34 2005 === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [~rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sigurdga [~sigurd@45.80-203-115.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === SquishyWaffle [~GTaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:55] morning squishywaffle [03:55] :) [03:55] Greetings, jjesse [04:18] wheeee! have we finally switched back to min? [04:18] moin, even === froud [~sean@ndn-165-146-74.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:32] jjesse: you there [04:33] jjesse: what did you say about documentation, how a distro will be judge by the quality of its documentation? [04:33] jjesse: I know I saw you say it in the list, but for lif eof me I can't find it :-) === squinn [~squinn@68.205.198.0] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:41] There is a really bad translation error on the wiki for norwegian bokml, and the translation is not done in rosetta. Does anyone know how to get rid of the misspelling (and how I can proofread the rest of the translation)? === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@218.208.195.6] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:03] sigurdga: guess you need to edit the norwegian bokml wiki [06:03] sigurdga: our docs go through rosetta, but not everybody uses our method [06:38] froud: it is the title of one of the search buttons, the title-button [06:38] not the documentation itself === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:54] Greetings === abelli [~john@07b4d07ffd45aa06.session.tor] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:14] greetings judax [07:18] HI === froud [~sean@ndn-165-146-74.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:23] welcome back froud [07:23] I aint back I'm just visiting :-) [07:23] froud: Hello [07:24] grin fine welcome visitor [07:24] hello judax [07:24] judax: seen you have been busy giving patches, thanks for all your work [07:24] np, glad I can help out. it is fun [07:25] so tell us about yourself [07:26] ah, live in Austin, TX. Am an Infrastrucutre Manager (manage unix, vms, storage, oracle, nt, technical teams) [07:26] what do you do when you are not creating patches for ubuntu-docs [07:26] wow busy [07:26] hehe, too busy sometimes [07:27] that sounds more interesting then me :) [07:27] i'm just a network adminstrator for a bank [07:27] kind of a pain most of the time, don't get to do any technical stuff anymore, just go to meetings [07:27] judax: do any of your systems run ubuntu/kubuntu? [07:27] and get yelled at [07:27] just my desktop runs kubuntu [07:28] i have one debian box that runs helpdesk software first use of *nix in the bank [07:28] no, linux is making an apperance in some of our datacenters at client request, but we have support issues === ealden [~ealden@ipdial-191-213.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:28] judax: what type of issues [07:28] we have SLAs with the clients, so we need to be able to tie that to a support contract from somebody [07:29] usually end up with the red hat enterprise [07:29] what about canonical [07:30] it is possible [07:30] so what makes you intereste din doing docs [07:31] work for large corp, so all that has to become part of the LTM (technology model), but linux adoption is moving much slower than I would like [07:32] and that is why you are contributing to the docs [07:33] I have not had the chance to write code for quite a few years and I want to help with free software, so docs are kind of what I can help with [07:33] cool [07:33] would you like to get more involved here at ubuntu-doc [07:33] plus, I see a great need in documentation, especially if you are tageting wide-scale adoption [07:34] agreed :-) [07:34] you bet [07:34] that is something everyone here does agree on [07:34] what would you like to work on for breezy? [07:36] I really don't have a *must* work on project. I would like to help where it is needed, whatever that might be [07:36] kde or gnome your pref [07:36] I have had a linux box on my desk for a long time (prob 1995 with Caldera OpenLinux first) [07:36] I tend to gravitate to KDE [07:37] I always come back to KDE, just like it better [07:37] sucker for eye-candy I guess :) [07:37] Ok you will find that you need a kubuntu box to write against [07:37] judax: yes, I agree kde is way ahead of the kurve [07:38] you already seem to know what to do with docbook [07:39] I guess you already have a checkout of our svn repos [07:39] not a docbook expert, just using existing docs as examples, learning as I go [07:39] isn't that the best way to go? [07:39] aye [07:39] that's ok [07:39] i just muddle my way through [07:39] me too [07:39] with some help from your freinds [07:39] is that a song? [07:40] yeah a baby let's make music === froud slaps himself [07:40] hehe [07:40] Ok you have been introduced to the kwick guide [07:40] there is also a user guide [07:41] and admin guide [07:41] they are very new [07:41] I have looked at those briefly [07:41] you are like totally empowered to make of them what you will [07:41] there is also a generic install guide [07:41] ok [07:41] I read that last night [07:42] everything needs work here [07:42] the project is young [07:42] yes, but seems pretty active which is encouraging [07:43] I would like to get you a commit account, can you manage that [07:43] sure [07:43] ok I need you to send me your public pgp key [07:43] ok [07:43] sean@inwords.co.za [07:44] I will send this to enrico with a message that I back your account. he will make sure that elmo creates the account for you [07:45] Oh enrico is here [07:45] public key on its way [07:45] lets ask him [07:45] enrico: [07:45] enrico: ping [07:46] ok he is probably busy [07:46] ok [07:46] I will forward it. [07:47] Enrico will normall cc you in his message to elmo [07:47] welcome to the team [07:47] great, thx much === froud goes to write message to enrico [07:48] froud can i send you my pbulic key as well? [07:48] man i can't type today :( [07:48] jjesse: you should have done so long ago, so ye [07:48] grin on its way [07:48] thanks === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:57] judax: sent [07:57] jjesse: sent [07:57] Thx much [07:57] froud: ma que pasa? [07:58] have a meeting, afk for a bit [07:58] abelli: en pls [07:59] froud: actually .. i dont know if its correct .. im in bkl .. [07:59] but it should mean something like "how are you doing"? [07:59] good man and how r you [07:59] how's mama and papa [08:00] froud: en pls. [08:00] mamma e papa' .. il papa e' a roma. [08:00] abelli when will you make it easy for me to have a conversation with you [08:01] the right way is in you, brother. [08:01] oh god here we go again [08:01] :-) [08:02] how are you all doing? [08:02] we're fine abelli [08:03] what have you been doing lately [08:03] have not seen you around [08:03] exams? [08:03] yes. [08:03] lots. [08:03] and lots. [08:03] and some more lots. [08:03] ouch [08:03] hope you did well [08:03] actually yes .. but the way is long. [08:04] ah yes the penalty of youth [08:04] exams [08:04] .. someone bless them. [08:05] i think its easier having to pass exams than living life. [08:05] nah I never do well at exams [08:06] life, now that is no problem [08:06] just live it! [08:06] well ive been forced to do so for 20 yrs .. [08:07] it gets easier [08:07] ill be so for the next 60+ yrs. or at least i hope so. === froud has vsion of abelli the 80-year old Linu xuser [08:08] na na na .. mach or plan9. thx. [08:09] alternative (like current). [08:09] back [08:10] abelli: I can imagine you with your grandchildren saying, "my bambino's, when I was young we were freedom fights of the free software movement." [08:11] froud: what are you telling them? [08:11] and then you will bring out your collection of linux dvd's from the early 2000's [08:12] just teasing dude [08:12] dvds? [08:12] well if you could send me a signature .. [08:12] that is going to be something to show. [08:14] http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpfulHelp is finishedddddddddd [08:14] what kind of dvds? [08:14] mpt: bless you. === mpt collapses in a heap [08:15] see y'all in 3.74 hours :-) [08:15] did they give any gold medal? [08:18] froud: pong [08:21] enrico: ping [08:22] enrico: it's all in your mail [08:22] froud: ok,I'll get to it [08:22] thanks dude, what would life be without you [08:24] buona serata === abelli [~john@07b4d07ffd45aa06.session.tor] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [08:28] that illustration rocks my world [08:28] what illustration the one from mpt? [08:30] yeah: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpfulHelp?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=helpsystem.jpg === SquishyWaffle is now known as gtaylor [08:30] wow this nick isn't taken [08:31] easy to type also === gtaylor is now known as GregTaylor [08:31] gtaylor: register it! [08:31] did, getting gregTaylor too just in case :) === GregTaylor is now known as gtaylor [08:32] I think mpt's help system will need a totally different approach to the writing [08:32] Removing of the left index is a big change [08:32] froud: preferred usernames for troy and jesse? [08:32] though I like the diff between packaged help and help.u.c [08:33] judax: ping [08:33] froud: pong [08:33] jjesse has left the building [08:33] judax: speak to enrico [08:34] oh, sorry [08:34] SVN stuff? [08:34] enrico: for jjesse just use jjesse I think, dont think he will mind [08:34] enrico: troywill1 [08:34] judax: wow. Are you sure you want it so complicated? :) [08:34] enrico: or email him [08:35] enrico: if not a problem, it is an old standard for me, doesn't really matter though [08:35] enrico: ask almo for a report on how many commit accounts we have [08:35] any will do [08:36] judax: no problem at all. I was just making sure you aren't being shy :) [08:37] enrico: hehe, nah, just easy for my tired brain to remember === enrico sent out the mail [08:38] enrico: do you have ssh to that host? [08:38] enrico: many thanks [08:39] froud: to what host? [08:39] judax: no problem! [08:39] the one running svn [08:39] froud: no. I don't have ssh to any Canonical machine [08:39] Hmm [08:39] ok [08:40] gtaylor: elmo is slow at creating accounts [08:40] if you dont have something by mid next week pong enrico or me [08:40] and we will chas ehim [08:41] beat him with a stick [08:41] :) [08:41] enrico: how many committers do we have now [08:43] with judax and gtaylor we should have made up the 35% extra we need to achieve breezy targets [08:43] froud: do idea [08:44] evening [08:44] evening [08:44] froud, you're back? [08:45] just visiting [08:45] mdke: hi [08:45] hi judax [08:45] froud, staying around later? [08:45] 2AM may be late [08:45] guess [08:45] so [08:45] I am right about the time, no? [08:46] what time is it there now [08:46] let me guess 1747 [08:46] err 19 [08:47] 19.46 [08:47] date -u gives you the time in UTC [08:47] 20:39 here [08:47] good, got a UTC clock on a world band radio, just making sure I have it set right [08:47] hate the time charts on the internet [08:47] so it will be midnight your time froud [08:47] Thu Jun 16 20:40:26 SAST 2005 [08:48] Thu Jun 16 18:40:35 UTC 2005 [08:48] your clock is out a bit tho [08:48] darn ntp [08:48] ;) [08:48] unless mine is [08:48] no I have 1849 UTC [08:49] mdke: I will see if I can stay awake [08:49] mdke: but the main thing is you guys resolve issues [08:50] by my mature, when I am involved I tend to direct things, and I think you guys need to start doing that :-) [08:50] s/mature/nature [08:51] i'm easy about this [08:51] mdke: I would like to see it work so that the loss of anyone, for whatever reason, will see the team continue to function [08:52] hence my previous stressing of low overhead methods [08:52] and automation [08:52] of everything [08:53] mdke: you're just easy ;-) [08:53] especially after a few n browns === mdke nods [08:55] anyone got any useful /exec scripts for konversation [08:55] things you can actually use on IRC [08:56] for doing what? [08:56] dunno, konversation has this great feature [08:56] but I am trying to understand why [08:56] what for [08:56] 20:49:27 up 8:15, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.05, 0.01 [08:57] hmm [08:57] you can use /exec -o to post the output of commands [08:57] but is that not the same as /exec cmd foo [08:59] erm [08:59] lemme try [08:59] 19:59:06 up 17:23, 1 user, load average: 0.46, 0.37, 0.26 [08:59] no [08:59] /exec on its own doesn't post the command to the chan [08:59] command/output [08:59] Qt: 3.3.3 [08:59]