[06:16] <jsgotangco> jeffsch, hi
[06:16] <jeffsch> hello
[06:26] <jsgotangco> hmmm its only past lunch :P
[09:00] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, ping?
[09:04] <Burgundavia> salut
[09:04] <jsgotangco> have you seen froud lately?
[09:05] <Burgundavia> he was in here last night I think
[09:09] <jsgotangco> ahh he's been editing some wiki entries a few minutes ago
[09:14] <jsgotangco> hmm i still like mediawiki
[09:16] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:16] <Burgundavia> the history feature on the new wiki also sucks
[09:16] <jsgotangco> i agree
[09:16] <Burgundavia> and mediawiki also more power of making pages look pretty
[09:16] <jsgotangco> why do i have this feeling it just became more complicated
[09:17] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, i always steal wiki code from wikipedia heh
[09:17] <Burgundavia> mediawiki is PHP
[09:17] <jsgotangco> even so, its one of the few PHP apps worth using
[09:18] <jsgotangco> (heck i use it in this laptop for myself)
[10:20] <jsgotangco> froud, hi
[10:21] <froud> hi jsgotangco 
[10:21] <froud> nice one on edubuntu dude, what's the plan
[10:21] <jsgotangco> froud, up in the air, but i just copied what you did on the kde/gnome thing
[10:22] <froud> have to chatted with the ppl at edu
[10:22] <jsgotangco> froud, yes, they are ok with it
[10:22] <jsgotangco> froud, what are you plans
[10:22] <froud> cool so they all know they should look to do their docs in svn
[10:23] <jsgotangco> there was one guy who wanted to do the stuff in moin, but i told him its still WIP while its not possible, we stick to svn
[10:24] <froud> mt plans are to wait and see what happens at the meeting
[10:25] <froud> I may/may not come to the meeting its at 2AM my time right
[10:25] <jsgotangco> ok
[10:25] <froud> but I dont think I will have much to say
[10:26] <froud> I want everyone else to decide on direction, that way I am not in the firing line later
[10:26] <jsgotangco> froud, will the forrest/lenya thing work in a virtual server like linode
[10:27] <froud> you need to run a tomcat
[10:27] <froud> I have no idea if it will work on a vserver
[10:27] <froud> I think it will messup the other servers
[10:27] <jsgotangco> (should investigate)
[10:28] <froud> he he, you can if you like
[10:28] <froud> but look at doc
[10:28] <froud> doco
[10:28] <froud> that is more or less the idea
[10:28] <jsgotangco> hmmm a virtual dedicated server
[10:29] <jsgotangco> doco?
[10:30] <jsgotangco> have you talked to greg taylor and troy williams, they are very good contributors at the moment
[10:30] <froud> http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon/Doco
[10:31] <froud> I have arrange greg to be a committer
[10:31] <froud> what is troy's nic
[10:31] <jsgotangco> i think its judax
[10:31] <froud> hav enot met him yet
[10:31] <froud> will chat when I see him
[10:32] <jsgotangco> (doco looks complicated)
[10:32] <froud> you and mpt speaking about install guide
[10:32] <froud> what's cooking there
[10:33] <jsgotangco> there's a breezy plan to have at least an install guide in PDF in the CD that people can print out
[10:33] <jsgotangco> because during install, most people won't be connectedto the net
[10:33] <mpt> This is all my BrainDump, it hasn't been approved yet :-)
[10:33] <froud> well you know there is an install guide
[10:33] <mpt> my DraftSpecification, rather
[10:33] <mpt> though sabdfl seemed to like it
[10:34] <mpt> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/MigratingToUbuntu
[10:34] <jsgotangco> since we don't have a printed manual to begin with
[10:34] <mpt> also mentioned in http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpfulHelp
[10:34] <froud> mpt, install guide for kubuntu is in svn you need just add ubuntu screenshot you req specs and you have an install guide for ubuntu
[10:35] <froud> need first screen boot:
[10:36] <froud> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/generic/instalguide/C
[10:36] <jsgotangco>  I am Patience Alex, the only daughter of late Mr. and Mrs. Alex. My father was a very wealthy cocoa merchant in South Africa; my father was poisoned to death by his business associates on one of their outings on a business trip.
[10:36] <jsgotangco> whoa
[10:36] <jsgotangco> ZA conspiracy!
[10:37] <mpt> Poisoned by fake cocoa
[10:37] <froud> whoa scam
[10:37] <froud> there must be a million of those scam stories
[10:38] <froud> mpt: you may want to contribute to the install guide
[10:38] <mpt> I've only ever installed Ubuntu once, it was Hoary, sabdfl was helping, and I was hallucinating at the time
[10:39] <mpt> I am REALLY not the best person to contribute to the install guide at the moment :-)
[10:39] <froud> mpt: it is structured differently to most install guides
[10:39] <froud> the first part deals with the default workstation install
[10:39] <froud> and branches into more complicated sections
[10:39] <froud> it is very graphic
[10:40] <froud> hallucinating?
[10:40] <mpt> yeah, I hadn't slept for about 36 hours or so
[10:40] <froud> judax: hello
[10:40] <mpt> I'll try to have a crack at the installation guide based on a Colony ISO when I'm in Brazil
[10:41] <froud> Colony ISO?
[10:41] <jsgotangco> Brazil?
[10:41] <jsgotangco> froud, Colony is the milestone cd for breezy
[10:41] <jsgotangco> just like Sounder and Array
[10:41] <jsgotangco> from previous releases
[10:41] <froud> ok, when is colony
[10:42] <mpt> Colony-1 is out already
[10:42] <mpt> but afaik, there are major changes due to happen to the installer
[10:42] <mpt> such as, it becoming graphical
[10:44] <mpt> I'm going to Brazil next month and working from there for three months or five
[10:45] <jsgotangco> wow
[10:45] <jsgotangco> Like most men, Im a huge fan of big and juicy melons  the firmer and fruitier the better.
[10:45] <jsgotangco> http://www.wordpress.tokyotimes.org/index.php?p=568
[10:47] <froud> mpt: updating install guide for graphic install will not be a problem
[10:48] <froud> btw, has colony 1 already got the gui
[10:50] <jsgotangco> afaik, its basically the same thing with hoary, not much to look at
[10:50] <jsgotangco> but the new stuff is quite interesting
[10:51] <froud> so I dunno, is or is there not a gui on colony 1
[10:53] <froud> by gui are we speaking about something like the suse installation
[10:53] <froud> yast
[10:54] <mpt> froud: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/GraphicalInstaller
[11:08] <jsgotangco> hi
[11:13] <mdke> morning
[11:14] <mdke> sup?
[11:14] <jsgotangco> nothing much how about you
[11:14] <mdke> ditto
[11:15] <mdke> "hack the source" ;)
[11:15] <jsgotangco> then get working on those docs
[11:15] <jsgotangco> hah
[11:15] <jsgotangco> come on give me a break, i want it to be lively
[11:15] <jsgotangco> our ml has been so quiet
[11:15] <mdke> i was inspired
[11:15] <jsgotangco> ill take that as a compliment
[11:16] <jsgotangco> complement
[11:16] <jsgotangco> hmm
[11:16] <jsgotangco> whats correct
[11:16] <mdke> the first one
[11:16] <mdke> but I will never feel totally confortable about using the words "hack" and "source" when talking about docs
[11:16] <jsgotangco> well xml is source
[11:17] <mdke> i sposee
[11:17] <jsgotangco> im gonna do other stuff for now
[11:17] <jsgotangco> kquickguide is as good as done with those two new contributors
[11:18] <mdke> yep
[11:18] <mdke> have you seen sean today?
[11:18] <mdke> he wanted to talk to you about the installguide i think
[11:19] <jsgotangco> yes
[11:19] <mdke> cool
[11:23] <jsgotangco> well lets hope 4 the best later
[11:24] <mdke> sure
[11:24] <mdke> i'll be back this evening for the meeting
[11:24] <mdke> gtg now
[11:27] <mvirkkil> Who has made the theme for the new wiki?
[11:28] <mvirkkil> never mind. It was my own mistake.
[11:38] <mdke> henrik
[11:41] <jsgotangco> i should sleep early :-)
[12:15] <jsgotangco> oh well see you guys later then
[03:55] <jjesse> morning squishywaffle
[03:55] <jjesse> :)
[03:55] <SquishyWaffle> Greetings, jjesse
[04:18] <sivang> wheeee! have we finally switched back to min?
[04:18] <sivang> moin, even
[04:32] <froud> jjesse: you there
[04:33] <froud> jjesse: what did you say about documentation, how a distro will be judge by the quality of its documentation?
[04:33] <froud> jjesse: I know I saw you say it in the list, but for lif eof me I can't find it :-)
[05:41] <sigurdga> There is a really bad translation error on the wiki for norwegian bokml, and the translation is not done in rosetta. Does anyone know how to get rid of the misspelling (and how I can proofread the rest of the translation)?
[06:03] <froud> sigurdga: guess you need to edit the norwegian bokml wiki
[06:03] <froud> sigurdga: our docs go through rosetta, but not everybody uses our method
[06:38] <sigurdga> froud: it is the title of one of the search buttons, the title-button
[06:38] <sigurdga> not the documentation itself
[06:54] <judax> Greetings
[07:14] <jjesse> greetings judax
[07:18] <judax> HI
[07:23] <jjesse> welcome back froud
[07:23] <froud> I aint back I'm just visiting :-)
[07:23] <judax> froud: Hello
[07:24] <jjesse> grin fine welcome visitor
[07:24] <froud> hello judax 
[07:24] <froud> judax: seen you have been busy giving patches, thanks for all your work
[07:24] <judax> np, glad I can help out.  it is fun
[07:25] <froud> so tell us about yourself
[07:26] <judax> ah, live in Austin, TX.  Am an Infrastrucutre Manager (manage unix, vms, storage, oracle, nt, technical teams)
[07:26] <froud> what do you do when you are not creating patches for ubuntu-docs
[07:26] <froud> wow busy
[07:26] <judax> hehe, too busy sometimes
[07:27] <jjesse> that sounds more interesting then me :)
[07:27] <jjesse> i'm just a network adminstrator for a bank
[07:27] <judax> kind of a pain most of the time, don't get to do any technical stuff anymore, just go to meetings
[07:27] <froud> judax:  do any of your systems run ubuntu/kubuntu?
[07:27] <judax> and get yelled at
[07:27] <jjesse> just my desktop runs kubuntu
[07:28] <jjesse> i have one debian box that runs helpdesk software first use of *nix in the bank
[07:28] <judax> no, linux is making an apperance in some of our datacenters at client request, but we have support issues
[07:28] <froud> judax: what type of issues
[07:28] <judax> we have SLAs with the clients, so we need to be able to tie that to a support contract from somebody
[07:29] <judax> usually end up with the red hat enterprise
[07:29] <froud> what about canonical
[07:30] <judax> it is possible
[07:30] <froud> so what makes you intereste din doing docs
[07:31] <judax> work for large corp, so all that has to become part of the LTM (technology model), but linux adoption is moving much slower than I would like
[07:32] <froud> and that is why you are contributing to the docs
[07:33] <judax> I have not had the chance to write code for quite a few years and I want to help with free software, so docs are kind of what I can help with
[07:33] <froud> cool
[07:33] <froud> would you like to get more involved here at ubuntu-doc
[07:33] <judax> plus, I see a great need in documentation, especially if you are tageting wide-scale adoption
[07:34] <froud> agreed :-)
[07:34] <judax> you bet
[07:34] <froud> that is something everyone here does agree on
[07:34] <froud> what would you like to work on for breezy?
[07:36] <judax> I really don't have a *must* work on project.  I would like to help where it is needed, whatever that might be
[07:36] <froud> kde or gnome your pref
[07:36] <judax> I have had a linux box on my desk for a long time (prob 1995 with Caldera OpenLinux first)
[07:36] <judax> I tend to gravitate to KDE
[07:37] <judax> I always come back to KDE, just like it better
[07:37] <judax> sucker for eye-candy I guess :)
[07:37] <froud> Ok you will find that you need a kubuntu box to write against
[07:37] <froud> judax: yes, I agree kde is way ahead of the kurve
[07:38] <froud> you already seem to know what to do with docbook
[07:39] <froud> I guess you already have a checkout of our svn repos
[07:39] <judax> not a docbook expert, just using existing docs as examples, learning as I go
[07:39] <jjesse> isn't that the best way to go?
[07:39] <judax> aye
[07:39] <froud> that's ok
[07:39] <jjesse> i just muddle my way through
[07:39] <judax> me too
[07:39] <froud> with some help from your freinds
[07:39] <judax> is that a song?
[07:40] <froud> yeah a baby let's make music
[07:40] <judax> hehe
[07:40] <froud> Ok you have been introduced to the kwick guide
[07:40] <froud> there is also a user guide
[07:41] <froud> and admin guide
[07:41] <froud> they are very new
[07:41] <judax> I have looked at those briefly
[07:41] <froud> you are like totally empowered to make of them what you will
[07:41] <froud> there is also a generic install guide
[07:41] <judax> ok
[07:41] <judax> I read that last night
[07:42] <froud> everything needs work here
[07:42] <froud> the project is young
[07:42] <judax> yes, but seems pretty active which is encouraging
[07:43] <froud> I would like to get you a commit account, can you manage that
[07:43] <judax> sure
[07:43] <froud> ok I need you to send me your public pgp key
[07:43] <judax> ok
[07:43] <froud> sean@inwords.co.za
[07:44] <froud> I will send this to enrico with a message that I back your account. he will make sure that elmo creates the account for you
[07:45] <froud> Oh enrico is here
[07:45] <judax> public key on its way
[07:45] <froud> lets ask him
[07:45] <froud> enrico: 
[07:45] <froud> enrico: ping
[07:46] <froud> ok he is probably busy
[07:46] <judax> ok
[07:46] <froud> I will forward it. 
[07:47] <froud> Enrico will normall cc you in his message to elmo
[07:47] <froud> welcome to the team
[07:47] <judax> great, thx much
[07:48] <jjesse> froud can i send you my pbulic key as well?
[07:48] <jjesse> man i can't type today :(
[07:48] <froud> jjesse: you should have done so long ago, so ye
[07:48] <jjesse> grin on its way
[07:48] <froud> thanks
[07:57] <froud> judax: sent
[07:57] <froud> jjesse: sent
[07:57] <judax> Thx much
[07:57] <abelli> froud: ma que pasa?
[07:58] <judax> have a meeting, afk for a bit
[07:58] <froud> abelli: en pls
[07:59] <abelli> froud: actually .. i dont know if its correct .. im in bkl ..
[07:59] <abelli> but it should mean something like "how are you doing"?
[07:59] <froud> good man and how r you
[07:59] <froud> how's mama and papa
[08:00] <abelli> froud: en pls.
[08:00] <abelli> mamma e papa' .. il papa e' a roma.
[08:00] <froud> abelli when will you make it easy for me to have a conversation with you
[08:01] <abelli> the right way is in you, brother.
[08:01] <froud> oh god here we go again
[08:01] <froud> :-)
[08:02] <abelli> how are you all doing?
[08:02] <froud> we're fine abelli 
[08:03] <froud> what have you been doing lately
[08:03] <froud> have not seen you around
[08:03] <froud> exams?
[08:03] <abelli> yes.
[08:03] <abelli> lots.
[08:03] <abelli> and lots.
[08:03] <abelli> and some more lots.
[08:03] <froud> ouch
[08:03] <froud> hope you did well
[08:03] <abelli> actually yes .. but the way is long.
[08:04] <froud> ah yes the penalty of youth
[08:04] <froud> exams
[08:04] <abelli> .. someone bless them.
[08:05] <abelli> i think its easier having to pass exams than living life.
[08:05] <froud> nah I never do well at exams
[08:06] <froud> life, now that is no problem
[08:06] <froud> just live it!
[08:06] <abelli> well ive been forced to do so for 20 yrs ..
[08:07] <froud> it gets easier
[08:07] <abelli> ill be so for the next 60+ yrs. or at least i hope so.
[08:08] <abelli> na na na .. mach or plan9. thx.
[08:09] <abelli> alternative (like current).
[08:09] <judax> back
[08:10] <froud> abelli: I can imagine you with your grandchildren saying, "my bambino's, when I was young we were freedom fights of  the free software movement."
[08:11] <abelli> froud: what are you telling them?
[08:11] <froud> and then you will bring out your collection of linux dvd's from the early 2000's
[08:12] <froud> just teasing dude
[08:12] <abelli> dvds?
[08:12] <abelli> well if you could send me a signature ..
[08:12] <abelli> that is going to be something to show.
[08:14] <mpt> http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpfulHelp is finishedddddddddd
[08:14] <abelli> what kind of dvds?
[08:14] <abelli> mpt: bless you.
[08:15] <mpt> see y'all in 3.74 hours :-)
[08:15] <abelli> did they give any gold medal?
[08:18] <enrico> froud: pong
[08:21] <froud> enrico: ping
[08:22] <froud> enrico: it's all in your mail
[08:22] <enrico> froud: ok,I'll get to it
[08:22] <froud> thanks dude, what would life be without you
[08:24] <abelli> buona serata
[08:28] <SquishyWaffle> that illustration rocks my world
[08:28] <froud> what illustration the one from mpt?
[08:30] <SquishyWaffle> yeah: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpfulHelp?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=helpsystem.jpg
[08:30] <gtaylor> wow this nick isn't taken
[08:31] <froud> easy to type also
[08:31] <enrico> gtaylor: register it!
[08:31] <GregTaylor> did, getting gregTaylor too just in case :)
[08:32] <froud> I think mpt's help system will need a totally different approach to the writing
[08:32] <gtaylor> Removing of the left index is a big change
[08:32] <enrico> froud: preferred usernames for troy and jesse?
[08:32] <froud> though I like the diff between packaged help and help.u.c
[08:33] <froud> judax: ping
[08:33] <judax> froud: pong
[08:33] <froud> jjesse has left the building
[08:33] <froud> judax: speak to enrico 
[08:34] <judax> oh, sorry
[08:34] <gtaylor> SVN stuff?
[08:34] <froud> enrico: for jjesse just use jjesse I think, dont think  he will mind
[08:34] <judax> enrico: troywill1
[08:34] <enrico> judax: wow.  Are you sure you want it so complicated? :)
[08:34] <froud> enrico: or email him
[08:35] <judax> enrico: if not a problem, it is an old standard for me, doesn't really matter though
[08:35] <froud> enrico: ask almo for a report on how many commit accounts we have
[08:35] <judax> any will do
[08:36] <enrico> judax: no problem at all.  I was just making sure you aren't being shy :)
[08:37] <judax> enrico: hehe, nah, just easy for my tired brain to remember
[08:38] <froud> enrico: do you have ssh to that host?
[08:38] <judax> enrico: many thanks
[08:39] <enrico> froud: to what host?
[08:39] <enrico> judax: no problem!
[08:39] <froud> the one running svn
[08:39] <enrico> froud: no.  I don't have ssh to any Canonical machine
[08:39] <froud> Hmm
[08:39] <froud> ok
[08:40] <froud> gtaylor: elmo is slow at creating accounts
[08:40] <froud> if you dont have something by mid next week pong enrico or me 
[08:40] <froud> and we will chas ehim
[08:41] <froud> beat him with a stick
[08:41] <enrico> :)
[08:41] <froud> enrico: how many committers do we have now
[08:43] <froud> with judax and gtaylor we should have made up the 35% extra we need to achieve breezy targets
[08:43] <enrico> froud: do idea
[08:44] <mdke> evening
[08:44] <froud> evening
[08:44] <mdke> froud, you're back?
[08:45] <froud> just visiting
[08:45] <judax> mdke: hi
[08:45] <mdke> hi judax 
[08:45] <mdke> froud, staying around later?
[08:45] <froud> 2AM may be late
[08:45] <mdke> guess
[08:45] <mdke> so
[08:45] <froud> I am right about the time, no?
[08:46] <froud> what time is it there now
[08:46] <judax> let me guess 1747
[08:46] <judax> err 19
[08:47] <mdke> 19.46
[08:47] <mdke> date -u gives you the time in UTC
[08:47] <froud> 20:39 here
[08:47] <judax> good, got a UTC clock on a world band radio, just making sure I have it set right
[08:47] <judax> hate the time charts on the internet
[08:47] <mdke> so it will be midnight your time froud 
[08:47] <froud> Thu Jun 16 20:40:26 SAST 2005
[08:48] <froud> Thu Jun 16 18:40:35 UTC 2005
[08:48] <mdke> your clock is out a bit tho
[08:48] <froud> darn ntp
[08:48] <mdke> ;)
[08:48] <mdke> unless mine is
[08:48] <judax> no I have 1849 UTC
[08:49] <froud> mdke: I will see if I can stay awake
[08:49] <froud> mdke: but  the main thing is you guys resolve issues
[08:50] <froud> by my mature, when I am involved I tend to direct things, and I think you guys need to start doing that :-)
[08:50] <froud> s/mature/nature
[08:51] <mdke> i'm easy about this
[08:51] <froud> mdke: I would like to see it work so that the loss of anyone, for whatever reason, will see the team continue to function
[08:52] <froud> hence my previous stressing of low overhead methods
[08:52] <froud> and automation
[08:52] <froud> of everything
[08:53] <froud> mdke: you're just easy ;-)
[08:53] <froud> especially after a few n browns
[08:55] <froud> anyone got any useful /exec scripts for konversation
[08:55] <froud> things you can actually use on IRC
[08:56] <mdke> for doing what?
[08:56] <froud> dunno, konversation has this great feature
[08:56] <froud> but I am trying to understand why
[08:56] <froud> what for
[08:56] <froud>  20:49:27 up  8:15,  1 user,  load average: 0.10, 0.05, 0.01
[08:57] <froud> hmm
[08:57] <mdke> you can use /exec -o to post the output of commands
[08:57] <froud> but is that not the same as /exec cmd foo
[08:59] <mdke> erm
[08:59] <mdke> lemme try
[08:59] <mdke>  19:59:06 up 17:23,  1 user,  load average: 0.46, 0.37, 0.26
[08:59] <mdke> no
[08:59] <mdke> /exec on its own doesn't post the command to the chan
[08:59] <mdke> command/output
[08:59] <froud> Qt: 3.3.3
[08:59] <froud> KDE: 3.4.1
[08:59] <froud> kde-config: 1.0
[09:00] <froud> that is the output of /exec kdeversion
[09:00] <froud> Linux zulu 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Jun 7 08:26:42 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[09:01] <froud> cmd script is useful
[09:03] <froud> seems you can write your own scripts
[09:03] <froud> example from help
[09:03] <froud> #!/bin/sh
[09:04] <froud> # Executes a command and prints the output into Konversation.
[09:04] <froud> PORT=$1;
[09:04] <froud> SERVER=$2;
[09:04] <froud> TARGET=$3;
[09:04] <froud> shift;shift;shift;
[09:04] <froud> $@ | while read line; do dcop $PORT Konversation say $SERVER "$TARGET" "$@: $line"; done
[09:58] <froud> cool
[09:58] <froud> searc google in konversation
[10:20] <froud> Uptime: 9 hours and 38 minutes
[10:20] <froud> hmm
[10:20] <judax> froud: you got it all figured out yet?
[10:20] <froud> yeah cool
[10:21] <froud> DCOP is amzing
[10:21] <froud> and google web services
[10:21] <froud> what do you want to search on google
[10:21] <froud> just do it in konversation
[10:22] <froud> example output
[10:22] <froud> [DCOP]  Searching Google for ubuntu ...
[10:22] <froud> [21:50]  [DCOP]  Results 1-5 of about 472000 for ubuntu (0.053592 seconds)
[10:22] <froud> [21:50]  [DCOP]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ (Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings)
[10:22] <froud> [21:50]  [DCOP]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/download/ (Ubuntu - Download)
[10:22] <froud> [21:50]  [DCOP]  http://ubuntulinux.org/ (Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings)
[10:22] <froud> [21:50]  [DCOP]  http://www.ubuntu.org/ (UBUNTU - World Forum of Networks)
[10:22] <froud> [21:50]  [DCOP]  http://ubuntu.upc.es/ (UBUNTU - World Forum of Networks)
[10:22] <judax> haha, that is sweet
[10:22] <froud> only I see it
[10:22] <froud> well the google search
[10:23] <froud> also accepts search criteria via the wdsl api
[10:23] <judax> is that the script from help or did you write that one?
[10:23] <froud> s/wdsl/wsdl
[10:24] <froud> no that is installed in /usr/share/apps/konversation/scripts/
[10:24] <judax> ah ok
[10:24] <froud> but there are a few examples so it is easy to follow
[10:25] <froud> you can use any scripting language
[10:25] <froud> way cool
[10:25] <froud> could be useful for FAQs
[10:25] <froud> like a bot, just not as anoying
[10:26] <judax> going to look through some of the scripts
[10:27] <froud> to use the google script you need a googlekey
[10:27] <froud> you get 1000 queries a day
[10:27] <judax> ok
[10:27] <froud> put the google key in your ~/.googlekey
[10:28] <froud> key is created here http://api.google.com/createkey
[10:28] <judax> ah, thx
[10:28] <froud> http://www.google.com/apis/reference.html#searchrequest
[10:49] <gtaylor> elmo is in #kubuntu-devel btw
[10:49] <mdke> ?
[10:49] <mdke> he is always there no?
[10:50] <mdke> ah
[10:50] <froud> you can find him, but you cant get him to do what you want hime to
[10:50] <gtaylor> ahh, heh
[10:51] <mdke> he needs to confirm additions to the svn access list
[10:51] <mdke> thats why it can take some time
[10:51] <gtaylor> maybe someone should send him brownies
[10:51] <mdke> i'm sure he would appreciate that
[10:51] <mdke> me too!
[10:52] <froud> dudes kde is amazing I just keep discovering new things
[10:53] <gtaylor> yup, I re-arranged the bejesus out of my laptop's desktop
[10:53] <mdke> hmm
[10:53] <mdke> this kde business is getting out of control
[10:53] <gtaylor> taskbar is on the bottom, menus and shortcuts at the top and some room for applets
[10:54] <gtaylor> kde is hawt
[10:54] <Burgundavia> bah
[10:54] <mdke> morning jdub 
[10:54] <Burgundavia> gnome is where it is at
[10:54] <mdke> you bet
[10:55] <froud> gtaylor: you seen those ioslaves yet
[10:55] <gtaylor> mmmm
[10:55] <froud> and hows that imap:// in konqueror
[10:55] <mdke> blah blah
[10:55] <gtaylor> heh, the list is quite large
[10:55] <froud> there are so many kioslave tasks
[10:55] <gtaylor> I was just fish://'ing myself
[10:56] <froud> yeah SSH just changes
[10:57] <gtaylor> of course man:/ is handy too
[10:57] <froud> try applications://
[10:57] <mdke> this is just silly now
[10:57] <froud> mdke: jealeous
[10:57] <mdke> oh totally
[10:57] <gtaylor> neato
[10:58] <froud> dude nautilus is like so dead
[10:58] <mdke> hmm
[10:58] <Burgundavia> thunar is very nice
[10:58] <mdke> nautilus is great
[10:58] <gtaylor> not to mention it's the name of that workout thing that guy is always advertising on TV
[10:58] <Burgundavia> hope it exits the vapourware stage soon
[10:59] <froud> can nautilus gve a terminal emulator
[11:00] <gtaylor> can Nautilus make me dinner?
[11:00] <mdke> it is a file manager
[11:00] <mdke> it doesn't do silly unnecessary things
[11:01] <mdke> that could be better spent fixing bugs and making it better
[11:01] <gtaylor> proper nutrition isn't silly
[11:01] <mdke> gtaylor, you have a cook to make you dinner
[11:01] <gtaylor> she's an hour away :(
[11:01] <mdke> nautilus will manage your files
[11:02] <gtaylor> laundry would be nice too...I'll have to file a feature request
[11:02] <froud> gtaylor: did you know you can call any programs help by just saying help:foo
[11:02] <gtaylor> as a matter o' fact I did, froud! How convenient :)
[11:02] <mdke> hmm
[11:03] <froud> see what you mean with the man:su
[11:04] <froud> cool
[11:04] <gtaylor> it's all hilighted and stuff
[11:04] <gtaylor> man page reading made fun! (not really)
[11:04] <froud> that mac ioslave is a good idea
[11:05] <gtaylor> mac ioslave?
[11:05] <gtaylor> ahh, weird
[11:05] <gtaylor> I'm not a mac guy, never used that stuff
[11:06] <froud> type mailto:sean@inwords.co.za and spawn kmail composer
[11:06] <froud> omg
[11:06] <gtaylor> heh
[11:06] <froud> that makes life easy
[11:06] <gtaylor> if you use KMail :)
[11:07] <froud> I use the whole of kontact
[11:08] <gtaylor> do you use firefox or konqueror
[11:08] <gtaylor> ?
[11:09] <froud> mostly firefox
[11:09] <froud> but I dont stop konqueror if needed
[11:10] <froud> to me its what ever opens and works right then
[11:10] <gtaylor> It'd be so awesome if they fixed some of the funkiness with page rendering in Knoqueror
[11:10] <gtaylor> firefox is nice but it's so slow to load
[11:10] <froud> if konqueror is open and I just need a quick thing then I just let it role rather than wait for FF
[11:11] <froud> for long browsing sessions I will load FF
[11:11] <gtaylor> yeah
[11:12] <gtaylor> gimme a minute to upload this, I have something neat :)
[11:12] <froud> but I like the factthat konqueror can be everything and the Kitchen sink
[11:12] <froud> OK
[11:17] <froud> fish is just so cool
[11:18] <gtaylor> albeit a funky name :)
[11:19] <froud> irc:// spawns konversation
[11:20] <froud> pass the server and it connect to the server
[11:20] <froud> did you upload the cool thing?
[11:23] <froud> gtaylor: hav eyou used kolab
[11:23] <gtaylor> http://squishywaffle.com/gallery/albums/Misc/dscf0551.sized.jpg
[11:23] <gtaylor> no, what's kolab?
[11:23] <froud> http://kolab.org/
[11:24] <gtaylor> that's pretty neat
[11:25] <froud> yeah use kontact on the road
[11:25] <gtaylor> blargh, I just realized that my windows workstation is visible on the left, ruins the Linux atmosphere
[11:26] <gtaylor> My linux box here is pretty sweet here too
[11:26] <froud> still loading its slow
[11:27] <gtaylor> it's a big file :0
[11:27] <gtaylor> well nm, 80k
[11:28] <froud> yeah and I am in africa so ittakes long
[11:28] <gtaylor> shoot, that'd do it
[11:28] <froud> now using wget
[11:29] <judax> gtaylor: I tried to load it too, not working
[11:29] <gtaylor> well crap
[11:29] <froud> Resolving squishywaffle.com... failed: Host not found.
[11:29] <gtaylor> try it like this: http://squishywaffle.com/gallery/Misc/dscf0551
[11:29] <gtaylor> oh, that's not good
[11:29] <gtaylor> How about this: http://clemsonlinux.org/~gtaylor/gallery/albums/Misc/dscf0551.sized.jpg
[11:30] <judax> same
[11:30] <judax> that works
[11:30] <gtaylor> phew
[11:30] <gtaylor> no idea why it's bombing like that
[11:30] <froud> Ok
[11:30] <gtaylor> your DNS server must not like ZoneEdit :)
[11:31] <froud> Oh nice sleeve
[11:31] <gtaylor> yeah, I do like it
[11:31] <judax> very good looking sleeve
[11:31] <gtaylor> keeping one for myself and handing the rest out tonight
[11:31] <judax> you can't really tell that is a windows box running in the corner there
[11:31] <froud> how did you get them?
[11:31] <froud> shipit?
[11:32] <gtaylor> Riddell is sending them out in small quantities on his own
[11:32] <froud> poor riddle
[11:32] <froud> and that is a serious spindle of blanks
[11:33] <gtaylor> We have a whole closet full of CD-RW/DVD-R's here :)
[11:33] <gtaylor> go through media like mad, GIS Images are massive
[11:34] <judax> GIS?
[11:34] <froud> GIS geographic information systems
[11:34] <judax> ah, is that like remote sensing and the like?
[11:35] <gtaylor> indeed
[11:35] <judax> wonder if I can say 'like' again
[11:35] <froud> yeak pretty huge
[11:35] <gtaylor> We can justifiably run a lab of 95% Kubuntu machines :0
[11:35] <froud> cooooool kde rocks
[11:35] <gtaylor> There are no real competitors to ArcGIS which only runs on Windows, so we have to have a few Windows boxes for that purpose. All development of sensor networks is done on Ubuntu
[11:35] <froud> and kubuntu flies
[11:36] <gtaylor> Last Fedora box was dropped a few weeks ago :)
[11:36] <froud> yay!!!
[11:37] <froud> I want to move my main worstation from SuSE to Kubuntu this weekend
[11:37] <gtaylor> SuSe is rock solid too, we run that on our servers
[11:37] <froud> but I must backup a ~/ of 207 GB
[11:38] <judax> that will take a while
[11:38] <gtaylor> crap
[11:38] <froud> yeah dread
[11:38] <gtaylor> lots of porn?
[11:38] <froud> trying to clean out stuff
[11:38] <judax> haha
[11:38] <froud> actually its a lot of vendor drops
[11:39] <froud> documents in docbook from almost every FOSS project on the planet
[11:40] <froud> its the screen capts that take the space
[11:40] <froud> geeze I wish we had a way to do screen shots and save them as XML
[11:40] <gtaylor> screenshots, fun
[11:43] <Burgundavia> SVG screenshots?
[11:43] <froud> this guy from Linspire, Michael Robertson is pretty focused
[11:43] <froud> Burgundavia: yeah
[11:44] <froud> you got a way?
[11:44] <Burgundavia> he also thinks that running as root is a sane default
[11:44] <Burgundavia> no, I don't have a way
[11:44] <froud> yeah I am just looking at the artilce in LXF
[11:45] <froud> nice SVN article
[11:45] <Seveas> froud, base64 encoded screenshots in xml take up even more space :)
[11:46] <froud> Seveas: really, how do you take them can convertthem?
[11:46] <froud> can the be zipped
[11:47] <Seveas> zip+base64 = original size :)
[11:47] <froud> like OOo writer files
[11:47] <froud> argh
[11:48] <froud> Ok dudes later
[11:48] <froud> must go to bobo land
[11:49] <froud> somebody log the meeeting and post it to me
[11:49] <froud> its in 2 hours and 40 min from now, right mdke 
[11:49] <mdke> what is?
[11:49] <mdke> froud ^
[11:49] <gtaylor> I thought it was in 10 minutes?
[11:49] <judax> meeting in 10 mins
[11:49] <squinn> yep it is
[11:49] <mdke> yes
[11:50] <squinn> i'm new to the #ubuntu-doc channel
[11:50] <froud> 10 mins
[11:50] <gtaylor> I about peed my pants for a minute there
[11:50] <squinn> and project in general
[11:50] <mdke> squinn, welcome
[11:50] <squinn> so i hope i'm alright here
[11:50] <froud> ok mov eto bed and stay awake
[11:50] <mdke> everyone is alright here
[11:50] <squinn> i worked for a bit on #gentoo-doc
[11:50] <mdke> cool
[11:50] <squinn> but i realize ubuntu's really the best distro for me
[11:50] <froud> we doing it in the meeting rrom
[11:50] <mdke> i went into #gentoo-doc just earlier to look for ideas
[11:50] <mdke> froud, yes
[11:51] <froud> squinn: welcome dude
[11:51] <mdke> froud said "we"
[11:51] <mdke> :)
[11:51] <froud> we we 
[11:51] <squinn> oy oy.
[11:51] <squinn> lol
[11:51] <froud> I need to the gents
[11:51] <gtaylor> howdy
[11:51] <squinn> yeah, but #gentoo-doc's a nice chan
[11:51] <squinn> hi gtaylor
[11:51] <mdke> squinn, they were very nice, I'm gonna go away and have a look at their pages to get some ideas
[11:52] <squinn> mdke: yeah. but they use guidexml i believe
[11:52] <squinn> we use docbook right?
[11:52] <mdke> yes
[11:52] <gtaylor> I was thinking, would it cool to have a place that downloads the latest svn hourly and builds the guides in html for public viewing?
[11:52] <gtaylor> or do we already have that?
[11:52] <Burgundavia> daily is probably enough
[11:52] <mdke> gtaylor, we should yes
[11:53] <Burgundavia> the svn repo doesn't change that much
[11:53] <gtaylor> I could get this done pretty easily
[11:53] <gtaylor> Burgundavio: Once I get svn access it will :)
[11:53] <mdke> gtaylor, the infrastructure is there, I don't think it will be a problem
[11:54] <froud> that is what docteam.ubuntu.com is for
[11:54] <froud> or planned so
[11:54] <gtaylor> any word on it?
[11:54] <mdke> froud, planned by who?
[11:55] <froud> discusse din the list
[11:55] <squinn> svn?!
[11:55] <mdke> yes
[11:55] <mdke> squinn, we have some pages on the wiki, you can get lots of info there about the team
[11:55] <mdke> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam
[11:55] <squinn> ok ty
[11:55] <gtaylor> did we have a listing of docteam members somewhere? I was looking but couldn't find it
[11:56] <mdke> gtaylor, not to my knowledge
[11:56] <mdke> gtaylor, except in svn
[11:56] <gtaylor> guess it's not a big deal
[11:56] <squinn> it sounds like cvs access in gentoo
[11:57] <squinn> <3 chatzilla
[11:57] <gtaylor> svn is a replacement for cvs basically
[11:57] <squinn> ah okay
[11:57] <gtaylor> lots of similarities
[11:57] <squinn> well i'm over friends house in windows
[11:57] <gtaylor> I'm sorry :)
[11:58] <mdke> squinn, the repo is http: anyhow, you can have a look
[11:58] <squinn> lol gtaylor and okay mdke 
[12:01] <gtaylor> I'm about to kill this CD burner, k3b is not liking it :)
[12:01] <froud> mdke: who is leading the meeting
[12:01] <mdke> no idea