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| === Topic (#ubuntu-kernel): set by zul at Wed Jun 8 22:27:54 2005 | ||
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| jbailey | fabbione: Is there an easy way to generate the modules.alias file based on a subset of modules that I copy to the initramfs? | 04:13 |
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| zul | one down one more to go | 04:58 |
| jbailey | Nice! | 04:58 |
| zul | and it looks like im going to get a call back as well | 05:00 |
| jbailey | Nice! | 05:03 |
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| jbailey | We're down to 18 here. | 05:09 |
| zul | how is the smog? :) | 05:10 |
| zul | same here | 05:10 |
| jbailey | Three days of reasonbly heavy rain at some point during the day have worked some magic. | 05:10 |
| jbailey | But I could really wish that people would just stop driving their cars. | 05:11 |
| jbailey | Oh well, sleep time. | 05:11 |
| zul | then people in toronto would die | 05:11 |
| fabbione | morning | 05:22 |
| fabbione | mdz: i did ask elmo to remove 2.6.11 even before hoary release... | 05:23 |
| fabbione | mdz: and asked after another few times | 05:23 |
| fabbione | jbailey: i think you can do that using depmod with proper parameters... | 05:25 |
| fabbione | jbailey: iirc it accepts a module dir to look into | 05:25 |
| fabbione | hm interesting... busybox-cvs is FTBFS on sparc with a really nice error | 05:28 |
| fabbione | /usr/lib/gcc/sparc-linux/4.0.1/../../../../lib/libc.a: could not read symbols: Bad value | 05:29 |
| fabbione | this looks like either libc or gcc are doomed | 05:29 |
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| fabbione | hey amy | 12:04 |
| fabbione | amu | 12:04 |
| amu | hey | 12:05 |
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| === Topic (#ubuntu-kernel): set by zul at Wed Jun 8 22:27:54 2005 | ||
| zul | c ya later | 12:33 |
| zul | got another at 9 | 12:33 |
| fabbione | zul: good luck dude | 12:35 |
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| jbailey | fabbione: No, that's the error that is fixed with the newest glibc upload. | 01:07 |
| fabbione | jbailey: sorry.. what error? | 01:20 |
| jbailey | <fabbione> hm interesting... busybox-cvs is FTBFS on sparc with a really nice error | 01:20 |
| jbailey | <fabbione> /usr/lib/gcc/sparc-linux/4.0.1/../../../../lib/libc.a: could not read symbols: Bad value | 01:20 |
| fabbione | ah ok :) | 01:20 |
| jbailey | But no, I'm mistaken | 01:20 |
| jbailey | That's not the same error I was thinking of. | 01:20 |
| jbailey | Could be solved with the same fix, though, who knows. | 01:21 |
| fabbione | ehe ok | 01:21 |
| fabbione | i will see once glibc are done | 01:21 |
| jbailey | I should check on that. | 01:21 |
| fabbione | we will see in the test chroot | 01:22 |
| fabbione | with the new libc | 01:22 |
| jbailey | Ayup | 01:31 |
| zul | i so much hate wearing ties | 01:55 |
| jbailey | Ahaha | 01:58 |
| jbailey | Will you need it in the new job? | 01:58 |
| fabbione | zul: how did it go? | 01:58 |
| zul | just about to leave...yesterdays was pretty good they wanted a "portfolio" and definite second interview | 01:59 |
| fabbione | nice | 02:00 |
| jbailey | "portfolio"? | 02:01 |
| === fabbione sighs | ||
| jbailey | Are you applying to go painting? | 02:01 |
| fabbione | nic-* udebs are driving me stupid | 02:01 |
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| fabbione | hey lamont | 03:22 |
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| zul | oh headache.. | 03:47 |
| fabbione | zul: eh.... | 03:55 |
| zul | it went ok...they asked for references | 03:55 |
| fabbione | good | 03:56 |
| thom | zul: what are you applying for? | 04:01 |
| zul | desktop support/network admin | 04:01 |
| zul | part time--junior, need a job | 04:01 |
| thom | ah | 04:01 |
| fabbione | thom: do you mind to do an ipw2100 test for me please? | 04:01 |
| thom | sure | 04:01 |
| fabbione | thom: remove the following modules from the stock kernel: | 04:02 |
| fabbione | ipw2100 | 04:02 |
| zul | i need a break..bbiab | 04:02 |
| fabbione | (sec.. i can't find the full list :() | 04:02 |
| thom | heh, no worries | 04:02 |
| thom | i'll need to reboot to .12 anyway | 04:02 |
| fabbione | -rw-r--r-- root/root 28937 2005-06-08 16:43:25 ./lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ieee80211/ieee80211.ko | 04:03 |
| fabbione | -rw-r--r-- root/root 7872 2005-06-08 16:43:25 ./lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt.ko | 04:03 |
| fabbione | -rw-r--r-- root/root 8561 2005-06-08 16:43:25 ./lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt_ccmp.ko | 04:03 |
| fabbione | -rw-r--r-- root/root 11558 2005-06-08 16:43:25 ./lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt_tkip.ko | 04:03 |
| fabbione | -rw-r--r-- root/root 6536 2005-06-08 16:43:25 ./lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ieee80211/ieee80211_crypt_wep.ko | 04:03 |
| fabbione | drwxr-xr-x root/root 0 2005-06-08 16:43:25 ./lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100/ | 04:03 |
| fabbione | -rw-r--r-- root/root 8522 2005-06-08 16:43:25 ./lib/modules/2.6.12-1-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw2100/fsam7400.ko | 04:03 |
| fabbione | there | 04:03 |
| fabbione | remove this modules for real | 04:03 |
| fabbione | and try to compile ipw2100 from upstream source | 04:03 |
| fabbione | that will install the olds ieee stuff | 04:03 |
| thom | ok | 04:03 |
| fabbione | and the same ipw2100 driver | 04:04 |
| fabbione | if you can test that and tell me if it works or not | 04:04 |
| fabbione | i might be able to compile ipw2100 in a different way to make it working again | 04:04 |
| doko | fabbione: no amd64 2.6.12 kernels in the archive? | 04:12 |
| fabbione | doko: are you nuts? | 04:12 |
| fabbione | they are in universe | 04:12 |
| fabbione | like all the others :) | 04:12 |
| doko | ok, don't expect dselect be up to date after an apt-get update ... | 04:12 |
| fabbione | doko: dselect update != apt-get update | 04:13 |
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| zul | fabbione: when you and i arent busy do you want to talk about the linux-non-supporte-modules thingy? | 04:32 |
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| fabbione | zul: you can bet on it.. we are just in a slightly different TZ | 06:08 |
| mdz | fabbione: it is starting to cause problems that 2.6.12 is not in main | 06:50 |
| mdz | fabbione: ndiswrapper-utils is uninstallable, and klibc is unbuildable | 06:51 |
| lamont__ | fabbione: maybe it's time to upload -1.2, eh? | 07:17 |
| mdz | anastacia has been wanting to pull it into main for a while now, and I've been ignoring it | 07:23 |
| lamont__ | find: warning: you have specified the -mindepth option after a non-option argument -type, but options are not positional (-mindepth affects tests specified before it as well as those specified after it). Please specify options before other arguments. | 07:25 |
| === lamont__ wonders wth that actually means | ||
| lamont__ | fabbione: I'd like us to upload -1.2 sometime soon, not just because 94-1.1 is ftbfs on hppa | 07:35 |
| fabbione | mdz: it's ok with me to move it main. I am almost done with cleaning the udeb mess. | 07:44 |
| fabbione | mdz: and if you want you can move it now | 07:44 |
| fabbione | lamont__: i would really love to complete the cleaning before 1.2. i miss only a few sets of udebs | 07:44 |
| fabbione | (nic-* pcmcia-* scsi-*) | 07:44 |
| lamont__ | woot | 07:45 |
| fabbione | lamont__: did you see the changelog? | 07:45 |
| fabbione | didn't you? | 07:45 |
| lamont__ | fabbione: I was meaning sometime this week, not sometime this day... | 07:45 |
| fabbione | i should be able to upload tomorrow | 07:45 |
| fabbione | i need to check with pitti how much time i have to prepare another security update for hoary | 07:45 |
| fabbione | mdz: or can we wait tomorrow after 1.2 is in? | 07:46 |
| fabbione | mdz: otherwise mostlikely i will have to bump the abi at the first upload | 07:46 |
| fabbione | mdz: that's kind of annoying for one day | 07:46 |
| mdz | fabbione: tomorrow is fine, just notify me when you are ready | 07:46 |
| fabbione | mdz: as soon as i upload 1.2 | 07:46 |
| fabbione | mdz: there is really a bit cleanup to make it ready for main :) | 07:46 |
| mdz | fabbione: if jbailey needs to make a klibc upload, you must answer to him though :-) | 07:46 |
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| fabbione | mdz: ok :) | 07:47 |
| fabbione | there are only 128 lines of almost detailed changelog :) | 07:47 |
| fabbione | and i started to be less anal retentive than before | 07:48 |
| mdz | jbailey: klibc (main) build-deps on a 2.6.12 package (universe) | 07:48 |
| fabbione | jbailey: btw.. klibc is FTBFS on sparc dude :) | 07:48 |
| jbailey | Eh, when did klibc get promoted to main? =) | 07:48 |
| fabbione | jbailey: if you want .12 in main.. we need to get that fixed :P | 07:48 |
| jbailey | <insert obligatory comments about logs and visibility here> | 07:49 |
| === jbailey ssh's | ||
| fabbione | jbailey: i am setting up something for that... | 07:49 |
| fabbione | that you will access ala people. | 07:49 |
| jbailey | Yay! | 07:49 |
| jbailey | Then I will start asking you guys to have them all in one place. =) | 07:50 |
| jbailey | But first things first.. =) | 07:50 |
| fabbione | let me ask elmo if he had any extra tought about it | 07:50 |
| lamont__ | fabbione: if you want to drive getting a process that elmo is happy with, I'd love to see it - any implementation changes I need to make to do the merge, etc. | 07:51 |
| jbailey | err.. can't find umul. Unsigned multiply instruction? | 07:51 |
| fabbione | lamont__: yup... | 07:53 |
| lamont__ | fabbione: thans | 07:54 |
| fabbione | lamont__: did you read on #ubuntu-toolchain ? | 08:00 |
| zul | damn im popular | 09:35 |
| mdz | jbailey: how goes the modalias stuff? | 09:37 |
| zul | fabbione: i had a couple of ideas i was playing with this week but whenever you are free | 09:43 |
| fabbione | zul: i will be free in 5 minutes | 10:06 |
| fabbione | wife is in bed (finally) | 10:06 |
| fabbione | zul: so.. what's up? | 10:12 |
| zul | so i was thinking setup similar to d-i | 10:32 |
| zul | i was looking through the drivers and some of them have ./Configure ./configure make and whatnot | 10:33 |
| zul | so we would have a flat text file with a flag saying 0 for make 1 for whatever and 2 for whatever | 10:33 |
| zul | or something like that | 10:33 |
| zul | thoughts? | 10:33 |
| zul | or we could script it in kernel-wedge | 10:35 |
| zul | thats another option as well.. | 10:35 |
| zul | we juat have to make as easy as possible to maintian | 10:36 |
| fabbione | you already lost me :) | 10:36 |
| fabbione | let me finish one thing i started while you were away ;) | 10:36 |
| zul | heh i have a tendency to do that | 10:36 |
| zul | bleah..:) | 10:37 |
| zul | i just want it easy to maintain thats pretty much it right now | 10:39 |
| zul | gotta pick up wife bbl | 10:48 |
| zul | sorry | 10:48 |
| fabbione | zul: don't worry.. | 10:56 |
| zul | ok im back | 11:23 |
| fabbione | ok | 11:31 |
| fabbione | so explain what you are talking about... | 11:32 |
| fabbione | step 1) | 11:32 |
| zul | 1) figure out what drivers are we going to support | 11:32 |
| fabbione | #1 we already agreed on that | 11:32 |
| zul | 2) make sure that the modules build individually | 11:32 |
| fabbione | #2 what do you mean individually? | 11:33 |
| zul | make sure that there is no surprises when we are compiling them | 11:33 |
| fabbione | ok they need to build... that's clear :) | 11:33 |
| zul | yep | 11:34 |
| zul | 3) add linux-non-supported-modues-* to debian/control debian/control.stub | 11:34 |
| fabbione | yes | 11:34 |
| zul | 4) add drivers-build, drivers-install to debian/rules | 11:35 |
| zul | 5) profit $$$ | 11:35 |
| fabbione | #4 ????? | 11:35 |
| fabbione | what i don't understand is: | 11:35 |
| fabbione | 1) why do you want to build them outside the kernel | 11:35 |
| zul | 4) those are just arbirtary names | 11:36 |
| fabbione | 2) adding an extra lever of complexity | 11:36 |
| fabbione | what we need to do is way more simple than that | 11:36 |
| zul | 1) how would you do that? | 11:36 |
| fabbione | we already compile the drivers | 11:36 |
| fabbione | they are already there | 11:36 |
| fabbione | given your #1 create the list | 11:36 |
| fabbione | match against this list and move the drivers from build-$flavour into debian/linux-non-supported-$ver-$abi-$foo-$bar-$mysyster-$yourdad | 11:37 |
| fabbione | and create the debs... | 11:37 |
| fabbione | (defined in debian/control and .stub) | 11:38 |
| fabbione | it sounds to me you created a much bigger issue that what needs to be done | 11:38 |
| fabbione | what lands in there is simple to control and doesn't need extra complexity | 11:39 |
| zul | i was kind of thinking that so something like d-i right? | 11:39 |
| fabbione | just one step before install | 11:39 |
| fabbione | d-i is something else.. | 11:39 |
| zul | ok | 11:39 |
| zul | ill get d-i out of my head then | 11:39 |
| fabbione | more levels we add, more complex it becomes to maintain | 11:39 |
| fabbione | creating udebs is another story and needs other stuff | 11:39 |
| zul | so something like the abi check? | 11:39 |
| fabbione | that's already done at kernel build time | 11:39 |
| fabbione | think in this way: | 11:40 |
| fabbione | or better | 11:40 |
| fabbione | look at debian/rules | 11:40 |
| fabbione | more or less in sequence happens: | 11:40 |
| fabbione | unpack | 11:40 |
| fabbione | patch | 11:40 |
| fabbione | configure | 11:40 |
| fabbione | build | 11:40 |
| fabbione | (****) | 11:40 |
| fabbione | install | 11:40 |
| fabbione | create debs | 11:40 |
| fabbione | create udebs | 11:40 |
| fabbione | now | 11:41 |
| fabbione | build also includes the abi check | 11:41 |
| fabbione | what we need to do is somehow: | 11:41 |
| fabbione | add that (****) | 11:41 |
| fabbione | that will move the non-supported-modules according to the list | 11:42 |
| fabbione | from debian/build/build-$flavour/<path_to_the_module> | 11:42 |
| fabbione | to debian/l-n-s-m-foo-etc/<path_to_the_module> | 11:42 |
| fabbione | that's all the hook needs to do | 11:42 |
| zul | ah i think i see | 11:42 |
| fabbione | it's pointless to duplicate build mess | 11:43 |
| fabbione | and stuff like that, when it's already there | 11:43 |
| zul | so you would copy the source to debian/l-n-s-m/ | 11:43 |
| zul | do what ever you need to do | 11:43 |
| fabbione | no.. no source | 11:43 |
| fabbione | i will mv directly hte builded binaries | 11:43 |
| zul | where would you build the binaries from? | 11:44 |
| fabbione | directly in the kernel, like we are doing now | 11:44 |
| zul | ah...so we still maintain the patches? | 11:44 |
| fabbione | yes | 11:44 |
| zul | ok gotcha | 11:44 |
| fabbione | but given that they are modules in l-n-s-m | 11:45 |
| fabbione | we take the freedom to remove them if they don't build | 11:45 |
| zul | now i understand :) | 11:45 |
| fabbione | or upstream dies | 11:45 |
| fabbione | or the patch doesn't apply anymore | 11:45 |
| fabbione | they are 3rd class drivers | 11:45 |
| fabbione | 1st class in vanilla kernel | 11:45 |
| fabbione | 2nd class - external we must have | 11:45 |
| zul | so you would have a list of modules per arch and a list of modules where the are suppose to go | 11:45 |
| fabbione | 3rd class - nice to have if it builds | 11:46 |
| fabbione | we need one list of modules per arch. you already know where they will go | 11:46 |
| zul | heh i guess i should have gone to udu :) | 11:46 |
| zul | cool...ill get started on the list tonight | 11:47 |
| fabbione | eheheh cool :) | 11:47 |
| fabbione | and i am off to sleep | 11:47 |
| fabbione | i am tired | 11:47 |
| zul | nighty night | 11:47 |
| zul | im off to learn about iscsi as well | 11:47 |
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