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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks || If you wish to complain about anything, complain in #flood
=== Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Mez at Mon Jun 13 01:30:25 2005
tsengmuine uploaded!12:52
Unfrgivenmorning all01:05
tsenghi01:06
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binbrainI'm setup with Breezy on pbuilder, it finishes DLing everything and then it starts spitting out libstd++5.3.3-dev leaving unconfigured01:45
seth_kdid you set up a Hoary chroot and then update to Breezy like I mentioned?01:46
seth_kapparently that's what you're supposed to do01:46
binbrainnono01:46
binbraini just tried from scratch01:46
seth_khmm01:46
binbrainset up pbuilder to breezy and then pbuilder create01:46
seth_kyeah01:47
binbrainso I should do hoary 1st and then move to breezy01:47
seth_kI would try it the other way, hoary then update01:47
seth_kyep01:47
binbrainaight01:47
binbrainthanks01:47
seth_kdid you see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto01:47
binbrainyeah01:47
seth_kok01:47
seth_kit shows how to update from a Hoary to a Breezy chroot01:47
binbrainthe bottom part shows the update01:48
seth_kyep01:48
binbrainbut it didn't mention that you couldn't start from fresh with breezy01:48
seth_kI know, I did the same thing you did01:48
seth_kuntil I got told that you were supposed to go Hoary -> Breezy01:48
binbrainand it didn't work01:48
binbrainok01:48
binbrainok01:48
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diamondnite folks02:34
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tsengany muine fans about?02:46
ivoks:)02:46
tsenginstall muine-plugin-trayicon and muine-plugin-inotify02:47
tsenggreat stuff02:47
ivoksi'm in windows now :(02:48
tsengwth02:49
ivoksi need autocad to do some project for faculty02:50
ivoksand that one runs only on windows :(02:51
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\shmorning04:12
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whiprushtseng: they still haven't shown up for me. I'll try them as soon as they hit my mirror04:19
Unfrgiven\sh: hey dude04:23
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HostingGeek\sh: not working at m$ yet :devil:04:33
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eruinanyone packaging istanbul in here?04:49
HostingGeekNo way04:49
HostingGeekwhat crazy person is going to package a island04:50
\shHostingGeek: what?04:50
\shhey Unfrgiven04:50
eruinif you're gonna be like that; it's a city ;o04:50
eruinhttp://live.gnome.org/Istanbul04:50
HostingGeekwhat crazy person is going to package a city04:51
Unfrgiven\sh: thanks for the libflash stuff04:51
\shUnfrgiven: u r welcome :)04:52
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ivoks\sh: it's 5AM :)04:54
\shyes...and it was a hard day yesterday, so i was sleeping since 8pm and since 3am I just woke up...04:55
\shivoks: I'm an old man ;)04:55
Unfrgiventhree smilies in a row... we really are a happy bunch here arent we ;)04:55
ivoks\sh: i'm up since 2:30 :)04:57
\shivoks: why that?04:57
ivoksi needed to finish some drawings :)04:58
Unfrgiven\sh: did you get my messages?04:58
\shvia IM?04:58
Unfrgiven\sh: irc /msg04:58
seth_keruin: dholbach has packaged it05:00
seth_keruin, just today actually. you want a link?05:01
\shhmmm....patching source in the early morning is not a good way to start the day...:(05:09
seth_kaw, what are you patching?05:10
\shsnmpkit05:12
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\shfixed and uploaded ;)05:18
seth_kwoo05:20
ivoksbye all05:25
Unfrgivenivoks: cya05:25
\shok snacc is also patched and uploaded05:31
schweebwhats up all05:38
\shit's early in the morning05:40
\shhmmm..it looks like that i can resolve my last outstanding packages05:45
\shlibtool: install: error: cannot install `libcppsctpsocket.la' to a directory not ending in /tmp/buildd/socketapi-1.3.2/static/lib05:46
\shas i said, it's early in the morning..even libtool is sleeping ;)05:47
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mbeattieThis is a dumb question but to get a package into universe do you need to know that it will work on x86, x86-64 and ppc?05:57
mbeattieand what if it doesnt work on one of those archs?05:57
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seth_kno, you don't need to have all archs06:05
seth_kI just submitted a package that is x86-only, because it's about 3/4 386 assembly06:05
\shlet's say: it depends06:07
Lathiatseth_k: ooc, whats that?:)06:07
\shsocketapi patched, fixed and uploaded06:07
seth_kLathiat, ?06:08
Lathiatseth_k: what package06:08
seth_koh06:08
seth_knew upstream version of zSNES06:08
seth_kyay for bypassing debian06:08
seth_kLathiat, breezy had 1.3.6 and debian had 1.4.0, i went upstream and yoinked 1.4.2. Had to patch it some to make it build06:10
Lathiatah zsnes06:10
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\shand having a shower :)06:30
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Lathiat\sh: and typing on your computer?06:31
jsgotangco(at least its not Xanadu)06:31
Lathiatand then they told apple to piss off? :)06:31
Lathiatwrong channel06:31
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\shand every single time when I'm listening to this song, I singing "Die Wanne ist Voll" (The Bathtub is Full), it was a comedy song of Dieter Hallervorden and Helga Veddersen (late 70th early 80th) to this melody06:43
\shgoing to office...cu later dudes06:51
\shre08:06
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danielnhi all09:01
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jsgotangcohi09:02
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\shhehe..this si funny...usb2 hd on my laptop, started samba, copying from another laptop with windows os over netbios shares to this hd...and everything is working09:12
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danielnmorning09:57
\shhey danieln09:57
danieln\sh: hi :)09:58
\shdanieln: could u please fill in the gaps of https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387 and https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1140309:58
\shdanieln: if u have some problems with those packages, bug me on IM :)09:59
danieln\sh: well i'm not at work, i'm in school (berufsschule)... so, i'll check that later10:00
\shdanieln: k :)10:00
danielnmhmh10:01
danielnwas herve around yesterday?10:01
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\shgrmpf10:26
\shi don't get it10:26
\shdoko: ping10:26
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doko\sh: pong10:52
danielnhave to go11:13
danielncya all11:13
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\shdoko: running into problems with gettextize and ac* and autoconf stuff11:34
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\shgrmf11:46
\shnew upstream package11:46
\shnow...new version of sdcv11:58
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks || If you wish to complain about anything, complain in #flood
=== Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Mez at Mon Jun 13 01:30:25 2005
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leslievHi ppl12:42
leslievIf I want to add a file to a package and then rubuild it with debuild, I get "unrepresentable changes to source"12:43
leslievHow do I get around that12:43
\shlesliev: only in the upstream package12:43
\shu have to put it in the orig.tar.gz or as patch in debian/patches12:44
ograyou need to build a new source package first.... if you just change the contents of the tgz that wont work12:44
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\shbrb...upgrade to breezy12:58
doko\sh: please could you update the djvulibre patch in bugzilla as well?01:22
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\shok...updated to breezy...what was the fix to get rid of this "no fixed font installed" issue to start X again?01:46
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\shok..breezy update from hoary worked quite good03:00
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DanielNuehh03:50
DanielN [ lesliev      ]  [ spacey      ]  [ zul         ] 03:50
DanielN15:45 [ Firetech   ]  [ mbeattie     ]  [ stazz       ]  [ |QuaD-      ] 03:50
tsenghello to you too03:50
DanielNoups03:50
DanielNhi tseng03:50
\shDanielN: i've updated some of your packages...please have a look into the debdiffs (already in bugzilla) so u know what's important for transition :)03:52
DanielN\sh: thanks .. such a reference is helpful for me!03:53
DanielNmutt03:56
DanielNlol03:56
DanielN:)03:56
\shok...going home..cu later dudes03:57
DanielN15 mins left here..03:58
DanielNboring subject atm :/03:58
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DanielNyeeha04:08
DanielNfinished school04:08
DanielNcya later :)04:08
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Riddellshould debian/README.Debian be changed to debian/README.Ubuntu ?04:27
ivoksno04:31
siretartRiddell: only in addition to README.Debian, to document your ubuntu specific changes.04:32
siretarthi folks04:32
Riddellsiretart: it's a new package04:33
ivoksthey should only conatin README.Debian, IMHO04:33
ivoksyou don't need two changes files04:34
RiddellI ment instead of README.Debian04:35
ivoksmy personal opinion is that we should differe as little is posibble from debian04:36
ivokswe don't have big team as Debian has and we should stop importing new packages in ubuntu, IMHO04:37
siretartRiddell: no. we respect the debian packaging policy04:37
ivoksbut, meeting is 20.06. so I guess we will talk about that04:38
Riddellivoks: what's this meeting?04:38
ivoksMOTU meeting04:38
Riddellyou want to discuss stopping important new packages?04:38
Riddells/important/importing/04:38
tsengwe want to discuss not having a large delta with debian04:39
tsengthe solution is to be determined04:39
ivoksnot stoping, but doing it in different way04:39
ivokstseng: right04:39
ivokstseng: does MOTU provides securoty updates for universe packages in hoary?04:40
tsengthere is a universe security team04:40
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ivoksok04:41
ivoksmaybe we could use debian's somehow?04:41
Nafalloivoks: we do. we take their patches ;-)04:42
ivoksNafallo: :)04:42
ivoksi tought in other way...04:42
Nafallohehe04:42
ivokssecurity updates rearly change configurations04:42
ivoksthey only change binarys04:42
ivoksso, there is no point in having two security repositorys for same thing04:43
ivoksIMHO, IHMO!!! :))04:43
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ivokswell, i'm not planing to fight anymore for my upload rights, i will just help MOTU as much as I can this way04:43
ivoksso, I'll be very loud on meeting, even if I'm not old member and neither full MOTU member :)04:44
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\shre04:49
ivokshi \sh04:57
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\shhey ivoks04:58
ivoksapt-get install kubuntu-desktop :)05:01
\shivoks: i did the upgrade to breezy earlier on :)05:02
ivoksand? any problems?05:02
\shnot really...X and fonts, and kde had some pitfalls...but nothing what noone could resolve05:02
ivoksso, you don't have hoary anymore?05:02
\shright05:03
ivokshm...05:03
ivokswell, we should start using breezy05:04
ivoksto check problems in day-to-day work05:04
\shthat was my reason05:05
ivoksi'll do it to :)05:05
ivoksi allready did it05:05
ivoksthen got back to hoary :)05:05
ivoksbrb05:05
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ivoksok, KDE05:08
ivoksurgh.... uglly :(05:09
\shwhat?05:13
ivokskde05:13
ivoksi don't like kde05:13
ivoksto... plastic :)05:13
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siretarthm. the problem is, I need my notebook urgently..05:18
ivokshhm... ETA 12h05:18
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ivoks\sh: there is no blender in breezy?!05:19
ivoksthere is... hm...05:21
ivokslol... apt-cache search bledner :)05:22
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ivoksok, time to leave it downloading...05:22
ivokssee you later...05:22
\shDanielN_PD: ping05:36
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bddebianHowdy folks06:06
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Burgundaviaogra, is that you cleaning out NewPackages that I see there?08:22
ogranope08:23
Burgundaviajust seen a fair number of things with "initial release" int he changelog08:24
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ograBurgundavia, that for edubuntu08:25
ograthats even08:25
ivokshi08:25
ograBurgundavia, how high is your boredom level ?08:25
ograhttp://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuData08:27
ogra;)08:27
Burgundaviahmm08:29
Burgundaviaanybody hiring? I need a job08:29
Burgundaviabut I can play with that08:29
ograjust if you dont have to do anything else, i didnt mean to push you to it :)08:30
BurgundaviaI really actually should be looking for employment08:32
ivoksogra: i have 3 years of expirience of Linux in classroom, maybe i could help with edubuntu?08:32
ograivoks, sure08:32
ivoksedubuntu should implement openldap08:33
ograivoks, i'm currently fixing this list of packages, to build a ltsp liveCD with that next week08:33
Burgundaviascrew openldap08:33
ograhttp://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDesktop08:33
Burgundaviait should use that new fedora directory server08:33
ivokswithout it, it would be PITA to maintain it08:33
ivoksBurgundavia: or that08:33
BurgundaviaI asked if someone could package it for breezy in my blog08:33
ivoksBurgundavia: but will we know everything about that DS untill breezy?08:34
ograBurgundavia, for now it will use our new ltsp packages... whic use ldap08:34
ivokscfengine2 comes to mind too08:34
Burgundaviaivoks, it is already releaed, and based on the quite nice Netscape stuff08:34
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Burgundaviafrom what I understand, it is far more scalable than Open08:34
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ivoksBurgundavia: i didn't try it, i used openldap only08:34
tsengmm cfengine08:35
ivoksogra: cfengine/cfengine208:35
ograivoks, no cfengine at all08:35
ivoksheh08:35
ograthe only way to go....08:35
ivoksnfs?08:35
ogra(even if i have no idea how to solve it yet08:35
ogra)08:35
ograsure08:35
ogranfs homes at least08:35
ivoksnfs has lots of pitfalls08:35
ivoksfor example, you need /var/lib/gdm for every machine08:36
ivoksi have 60 computers with root-nfs08:36
ograivoks, mdz cares for that.... i can only grab the ready made packages08:36
ivoksnext year, there will be only /home08:36
ivoksok, i'll check and read edubuntu.org08:37
ivoksand make a list of proposals08:37
ivoksbased on expirience08:37
ograi care for the assembly of all of that and for http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDesktop for now.... as well as for http://www.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet08:38
ograi hope to have a liveCD ready until the first weekend of july08:38
ivoksuh08:39
ograso you can boot a server from it and netboot the classroom clients08:39
ograas a showroom release08:39
ogralater we can just put UbuntuExpress on top of it and have the first edubuntu install CD08:40
ografirst target for the first edubuntu release is to be able to equip one classroom out of the box.... with as less work for the teacher as possible08:41
ivoksuh08:42
ivoksi hope you worked on edubuntu for a long time :)08:42
ograthe next ones should have server clustering support and probably also use a cluster filesystem instead of NFS08:42
ivoksok, that setup i have08:43
ivoksopenmosix in classroom08:43
ograi want something easier....08:43
ivokseasier?08:44
ograimagine you have installed one classroom with edubuntu to test it....08:44
ivokswhat could be easier than that?08:44
ivoksok...08:44
ograthe test went fine and you want to put it in the other rooms too08:44
ivoksok...08:44
ograyou install it in the other rooms, the servers recognize each other automatically....08:45
ivoksok...08:45
ogra...and sync their data automatically.... without you doing anything08:45
ograthats my targt08:45
ogratarget08:45
ivokswell, you can't have everything automaticly08:46
ivoksyou will need to allow first server to share date to other server08:46
ograi want it.... if i cant get it, i have to invent i....08:46
ograit even08:46
ivoksbut, user will have to do something08:47
ograwhy ?08:47
ivoksat least allow syncing08:47
ivoksmaybe he wants two independet classrooms08:47
ograsure... you can have a popup on the admin workstation.... asking you08:47
ivoksmaybe he doesn't trust other server08:47
ivoksmaybe that other server isn't his server08:48
ograthen he doesnt need to connect them08:48
ivokstrue08:48
ivoksit has to trigger something08:48
ivoksit can't be fully automaticly08:48
ograsure... but all this is solvable08:48
ivoksat least, enter IP or something08:48
ograit can08:48
ivoksit is...08:49
ivokswell, you need java in classrooms too :)08:49
ograyup... thats another problem...08:49
ograeven flash .... in norway all the tests ate flash forms08:50
ograare08:50
ograwhich is very odd08:50
ivoksyeah08:50
ivoksyou need flash, java and realplayer08:50
ivoksdivx too08:51
ogradivx ? what for ?08:51
ivoksi know, odd, but, belive me, you need that08:51
ivoksffmpeg08:51
ograhmm08:51
ivoksit doesn't have to be divix, ffmpeg is enough08:51
ivoksfor some animations08:51
ivoksdivix is very popular these days08:52
ograsure.... but i dont want to produce a movie machine08:52
ivoksi know08:52
ograand i dont want to duplicate a single program, so only one video player by default08:52
ivoksxine08:53
ivoks:)08:53
tsengdude kids at school dont need to watch wmv08:53
ivokstotem-xine or gxine08:53
tsengon their favorite porn sites08:53
ograi dont need to have every program on the CD, you'll have the whole ubuntu universe available08:53
ivokstseng: i agree08:54
ogra(and multivers)08:54
tsengso they can use gstreamer08:54
tsengand ffmpeg08:54
ograyeps08:54
tsengand get over it08:54
tsengproprietary_codecs--08:54
ivoksok08:54
ivoksi run classrom on linux08:55
ivoksso i know what teachers need08:55
ivokswell, maybe my teachers are bad08:55
ivoksyou must have java, and thats proprietary08:55
ivoksif you don't include java, project will be failure :(08:56
ograivoks, but it must not be installed by default....08:56
ivoksi know ubuntu policy08:56
ograas long as its a one click install to get it for the whole classroom08:56
ivoksthat's why edubuntu is hard job...08:56
ogranah08:56
ivoksogra: yeah, it could be done with one click :)08:56
ivoksheh, we will need super teacher tool then :)08:57
ograi'm just starting ;)08:57
ograhttp://www.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet08:57
ivoksogra: i saw that one :)08:58
ivoks item locking for every individual client - uh!09:01
ograyou mean the menu stuff ?09:02
ivoksyes09:02
ogra:)09:02
ivoksBurgundavia: do you have link for that redhats directory server?09:05
ivokslol09:06
ivoksfedora.org :)09:06
ivoksdirectory.fedora.redhat.com09:07
Burgundaviayes09:07
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hervehouba!09:08
ograhi herve09:08
ivoksherve: !!09:09
bddebianHeya herve09:09
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bddebianI just ordered my second Stinkpad so hopefully I can get to Ubuntu packages relatively soon!!??09:09
ivoksfrom lenovo?09:10
ivoksBurgundavia: heh, this is LDAP :)09:11
Burgundaviayes, that is why I suggested we replace Open with it09:12
ivoksok, it shouldn't have too much new stuff to learn :)09:13
dokoivoks: gcj is java09:13
ivoksdoko: i ment java on web pages09:14
ivoksruntime09:14
ogradoko, many of the edu apps are web applets09:14
ivoksfor example, web interface of Mathematica09:15
ivoksogra: edubuntu logo - not bad, not bad at all09:16
ograivoks, there are a lot i dont like.... but also very good ones09:17
ogramy favorite is #809:18
ivoksi saw only one09:18
ivoks:)09:18
ograthe pdf has 9 pages :)09:19
ivokslol, more than one :)09:19
ivoks4 sucks :(09:19
ivoks8 is good09:19
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ograi like the idea of #4 it just looks bad in this design09:20
ivoks1, 5, 7 and 809:20
ivokstoo much black in 409:20
ograyep09:21
Burgundaviawhere are these log ideas?09:22
Burgundavias/log/logo09:23
Burgundavianever mind09:23
chillywillyfarking egg09:23
chillywillyhey people I noticed a while back that sarge was released (yea I was late to the game)....any thoughts on that :)09:24
bddebianchillywilly!!!!09:24
Burgundaviahmm, I had a thought with the logo09:24
Burgundaviathe picture + ed looks a bit like it is trying to be a word09:24
Burgundaviasuch as /.ed09:25
ograMr. ed09:25
bddebianchillywilly: Yeah, congrats to Debian, too bad it's about 2 years too late.. ;-P09:25
BurgundaviaI really like 109:25
chillywillyyea there would've been 3 Ubuntu releases09:25
Burgundaviaclear colours09:25
chillywillyin the time it took them to do 109:25
tsengi like page  809:25
bddebianchillywilly: :-)09:25
Burgundaviabut what does the person waving really mean?09:25
tsenghe is raising his hand09:26
tsenglike in a class09:26
Burgundaviaah09:26
bddebianchillywilly: So, are you an MOTU yet?? ;-)09:26
chillywillynope09:27
bddebianloser.. ;-P09:27
chillywillyare you?09:27
chillywillywell?09:27
bddebianNo, I'm as useless here as everywhere else.. :-)09:27
chillywillyok then09:28
chillywillyhe that has no sin cast the first stone09:28
chillywilly*thwap*09:28
bddebianPlus I have a dead laptop..  All I have left are Hurd boxen. :-)09:28
ograbddebian, so start proting ubuntu to hurd then09:28
bddebianogra: It's on my list09:28
ograok09:29
BurgundaviaI had a thought about number 809:29
Burgundaviawhat about droping the other 2 (black) people09:29
bddebianRACIST09:29
tsengNafallo: how do I start the NM icon thingy09:29
Burgundaviaand just having the figure raising its hands09:29
ogratseng, applet09:29
Nafallotseng: nm-applet09:29
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bddebianheh09:29
chillywillycause I am a penGNUin09:30
chillywillywell I play one on IRC anyway09:30
Nafallo*sigh* right now I hate nm ;-)09:30
NafalloI can't reach my internal dns :-P09:30
ivoksnm rocks :)09:31
Nafalloand it eates 100% CPU when I plug a networkcable in ;-)09:31
ivoks:))09:31
ograNafallo, stay wireless ;)09:31
Nafallocause it can't find my dhclient and tries again.09:31
Nafalloogra: well, it can't connect to my wireless :-P09:31
ograhmm, thats bad... fix it :)09:32
ivoksNafallo: where did you get NM?09:32
ograivoks, its in09:32
Nafalloivoks: archive.ubuntu.com :-)09:32
ivoksYAY!09:32
ivoksi have ETA 2 hours for downloading rest of breezy :)09:33
Nafallohehe09:33
ivokslol09:33
ivoksnetwork-manager - <insert up to 60 chars description>09:33
ivoks:)09:33
Nafallohahaha09:33
NafalloI need thom :-P09:34
ivokswait09:35
ivoksthat's not from archive.ubuntu.com09:35
ivoksaccutally, it isn't in breezy right now, isn't it?09:35
Nafalloivoks: yes it is09:35
ivoksi updatet repos 3 hours ago09:36
Nafallonetwork-manager:09:36
Nafallo  Installerad: 0.4.1+cvs20050616-109:36
Nafallo  Kandidat: 0.4.1+cvs20050616-109:36
Nafallo  Versionstabell:09:36
Nafallo *** 0.4.1+cvs20050616-1 009:36
Nafallo        500 http://darkelf breezy/universe Packages09:36
ivoksdarkelf? :)09:36
Nafallowell, it went in less than an hour ago :-)09:36
Nafalloyepp :-)09:36
ivoksok then09:36
ivoksupdate again :)09:36
Nafalloahh, oops. apt-catcher ;-)09:36
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ivoksNafallo: gnome part is in network-manager package?09:41
Nafalloivoks: gnome part as in nm-applet yes.09:41
ivoksok09:42
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ivoks /usr/sbin/hald: unrecognized option `--drop-privileges'09:42
ivokshal not started... hm...09:43
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Nafallowfm09:43
ivoksnetwork-manager depends on bind9.09:44
ivoksWHAT?!09:44
Nafalloivoks: exactly...09:44
ivokswhy?09:44
Nafalloivoks: caching dns :-P09:44
ivokson name service server?09:44
Nafalloivoks: the damn thing doesn't find my internal domain :-P09:44
ivoks:)09:45
plugwashdebian dependencies can be a bit ott sometimes09:45
Nafalloplugwash: this is ubuntu deps ;-)09:46
plugwashafaict ubuntu is mainly an alternate release process for debian09:46
Nafallooh? is network-manager in debian?09:48
ivoks:)09:48
ivoksand what about wifi-radar? :)09:48
ivoksgnome 2.11?:)09:48
Nafallo:-)09:49
Nafallo2.11.3 :-)09:49
ivokshm, hal doesn't start anymore09:49
Nafallostrange...09:50
Nafallowfm @ amd64 ;-)09:50
Burgundaviaogra, what did you do that logo in?09:51
ograBurgundavia, i didnt....09:51
ograBurgundavia, canonical asked someone, i dont know him/her09:51
Burgundaviaok09:51
Burgundaviaandyfitz maybe?09:51
ogranope, i dont think so09:52
ivoksok, works now09:52
ivokskillall -9 hald :)09:52
Burgundaviaanyboyd having menus not updating in Breezy?09:53
ograivoks, eeek09:53
ograivoks, dont do that09:53
ograivoks, sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart09:53
ivoksogra: yeah, that doesn't work :)09:53
ivoksit stops09:53
ivoksbut hald is still runnning09:53
ograivoks, and hal is up to date ?09:53
ivoksso, kill them all :)09:54
ivoksogra: it's breezy09:54
ograivoks, yes, here too.... all around me09:54
ivoksogra: i guess it didn't stop, so instance left haning09:54
ivoksi stoped dbus and hal09:54
Burgundaviaok, just a sanity check. I installed NM. it should now show up in the add to panel, no?09:54
ivoksbut that one left hanging...09:54
ivokskill fixed problem09:54
ograah, ok... i normally reboot after an upgrade for the new kernel09:55
ivokswell, nm doesn't show me ant network :(09:55
ivoksany09:55
ivoksNo network devices found09:56
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jdongguys, Breezy's Muine needs a build-dep on gnome-icon-theme09:59
jdongnvm, it says not to complain for two weeks10:00
jdongsorry :)10:00
tsenggood catch10:00
tsengeh10:05
tsengwhy does it need that10:05
tsengit builds just fine without it10:05
jdong./configure bombed out on my chroot asking for it10:05
Nafallojdong: it did not in my pbuilder.10:05
jdongoops10:06
jdongyou guys already have it in as a dep10:06
jdongdisregard my stupidity :)10:06
Nafallojdong: k :-)10:06
jdongI was forcing the build to continue because I though it was only bombing out on libdbus-1-cil, but there was gnome-icon-theme, too :)10:07
\shback from resting10:07
Nafallojdong: that's why you should use pbuilder ;-)10:08
Nafallo\sh: n-m is in the archive ;-)10:08
\shn-m?10:08
jdonglol, that's why I should avoid -d... ;)10:08
Nafallo\sh: network-manager :-)10:08
\shNafallo: ah yes, I saw it10:08
Nafallo\sh: hates me though :-P10:09
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\shwell, i have some pitfalls in upgrading from hoary to breezy10:09
\sh1. overriding the already existing /etc/network/interfaces without asking10:09
\sh2. not taking all packages for upgrading..guessnet e.g. was not upgraded :(10:10
\shriddell: ping10:26
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Riddell\sh: yo10:35
\shRiddell: libqt3-mt-dev as suggests/recommends dep in kdevelop3, can't we make it as dependency?10:36
\shgod bless me for dist-upgrading to breezy...now I see some really nasty package issues ;)10:38
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hervenight all10:41
\shnight herve10:41
Riddell\sh: libqt3-mt-dev isn't a dependency, you might not be programming qt10:43
\shhmmm...correct...10:44
\sheven if i'm not thinking about installing kdevelop for gtk programming ;)10:44
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Lathiathmm, multisyncs evo2 plugin is b0rked11:14
\shanybody awake with upload rights to universe?11:23
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Nafalloyay!11:37
Nafalloit's almost working :-P11:37
\shwow...11:40
\shthe fonts are really nicer under breezy11:40
\sheven the mix of gnome apps on kde11:41
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