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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks || If you wish to complain about anything, complain in #flood | ||
=== Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Mez at Mon Jun 13 01:30:25 2005 | ||
tseng | muine uploaded! | 12:52 |
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Unfrgiven | morning all | 01:05 |
tseng | hi | 01:06 |
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binbrain | I'm setup with Breezy on pbuilder, it finishes DLing everything and then it starts spitting out libstd++5.3.3-dev leaving unconfigured | 01:45 |
seth_k | did you set up a Hoary chroot and then update to Breezy like I mentioned? | 01:46 |
seth_k | apparently that's what you're supposed to do | 01:46 |
binbrain | nono | 01:46 |
binbrain | i just tried from scratch | 01:46 |
seth_k | hmm | 01:46 |
binbrain | set up pbuilder to breezy and then pbuilder create | 01:46 |
seth_k | yeah | 01:47 |
binbrain | so I should do hoary 1st and then move to breezy | 01:47 |
seth_k | I would try it the other way, hoary then update | 01:47 |
seth_k | yep | 01:47 |
binbrain | aight | 01:47 |
binbrain | thanks | 01:47 |
seth_k | did you see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | 01:47 |
binbrain | yeah | 01:47 |
seth_k | ok | 01:47 |
seth_k | it shows how to update from a Hoary to a Breezy chroot | 01:47 |
binbrain | the bottom part shows the update | 01:48 |
seth_k | yep | 01:48 |
binbrain | but it didn't mention that you couldn't start from fresh with breezy | 01:48 |
seth_k | I know, I did the same thing you did | 01:48 |
seth_k | until I got told that you were supposed to go Hoary -> Breezy | 01:48 |
binbrain | and it didn't work | 01:48 |
binbrain | ok | 01:48 |
binbrain | ok | 01:48 |
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diamond | nite folks | 02:34 |
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tseng | any muine fans about? | 02:46 |
ivoks | :) | 02:46 |
tseng | install muine-plugin-trayicon and muine-plugin-inotify | 02:47 |
tseng | great stuff | 02:47 |
ivoks | i'm in windows now :( | 02:48 |
tseng | wth | 02:49 |
ivoks | i need autocad to do some project for faculty | 02:50 |
ivoks | and that one runs only on windows :( | 02:51 |
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\sh | morning | 04:12 |
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whiprush | tseng: they still haven't shown up for me. I'll try them as soon as they hit my mirror | 04:19 |
Unfrgiven | \sh: hey dude | 04:23 |
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HostingGeek | \sh: not working at m$ yet :devil: | 04:33 |
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eruin | anyone packaging istanbul in here? | 04:49 |
HostingGeek | No way | 04:49 |
HostingGeek | what crazy person is going to package a island | 04:50 |
\sh | HostingGeek: what? | 04:50 |
\sh | hey Unfrgiven | 04:50 |
eruin | if you're gonna be like that; it's a city ;o | 04:50 |
eruin | http://live.gnome.org/Istanbul | 04:50 |
HostingGeek | what crazy person is going to package a city | 04:51 |
Unfrgiven | \sh: thanks for the libflash stuff | 04:51 |
\sh | Unfrgiven: u r welcome :) | 04:52 |
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ivoks | \sh: it's 5AM :) | 04:54 |
\sh | yes...and it was a hard day yesterday, so i was sleeping since 8pm and since 3am I just woke up... | 04:55 |
\sh | ivoks: I'm an old man ;) | 04:55 |
Unfrgiven | three smilies in a row... we really are a happy bunch here arent we ;) | 04:55 |
ivoks | \sh: i'm up since 2:30 :) | 04:57 |
\sh | ivoks: why that? | 04:57 |
ivoks | i needed to finish some drawings :) | 04:58 |
Unfrgiven | \sh: did you get my messages? | 04:58 |
\sh | via IM? | 04:58 |
Unfrgiven | \sh: irc /msg | 04:58 |
seth_k | eruin: dholbach has packaged it | 05:00 |
seth_k | eruin, just today actually. you want a link? | 05:01 |
\sh | hmmm....patching source in the early morning is not a good way to start the day...:( | 05:09 |
seth_k | aw, what are you patching? | 05:10 |
\sh | snmpkit | 05:12 |
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\sh | fixed and uploaded ;) | 05:18 |
seth_k | woo | 05:20 |
ivoks | bye all | 05:25 |
Unfrgiven | ivoks: cya | 05:25 |
\sh | ok snacc is also patched and uploaded | 05:31 |
schweeb | whats up all | 05:38 |
\sh | it's early in the morning | 05:40 |
\sh | hmmm..it looks like that i can resolve my last outstanding packages | 05:45 |
\sh | libtool: install: error: cannot install `libcppsctpsocket.la' to a directory not ending in /tmp/buildd/socketapi-1.3.2/static/lib | 05:46 |
\sh | as i said, it's early in the morning..even libtool is sleeping ;) | 05:47 |
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mbeattie | This is a dumb question but to get a package into universe do you need to know that it will work on x86, x86-64 and ppc? | 05:57 |
mbeattie | and what if it doesnt work on one of those archs? | 05:57 |
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seth_k | no, you don't need to have all archs | 06:05 |
seth_k | I just submitted a package that is x86-only, because it's about 3/4 386 assembly | 06:05 |
\sh | let's say: it depends | 06:07 |
Lathiat | seth_k: ooc, whats that?:) | 06:07 |
\sh | socketapi patched, fixed and uploaded | 06:07 |
seth_k | Lathiat, ? | 06:08 |
Lathiat | seth_k: what package | 06:08 |
seth_k | oh | 06:08 |
seth_k | new upstream version of zSNES | 06:08 |
seth_k | yay for bypassing debian | 06:08 |
seth_k | Lathiat, breezy had 1.3.6 and debian had 1.4.0, i went upstream and yoinked 1.4.2. Had to patch it some to make it build | 06:10 |
Lathiat | ah zsnes | 06:10 |
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\sh | and having a shower :) | 06:30 |
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Lathiat | \sh: and typing on your computer? | 06:31 |
jsgotangco | (at least its not Xanadu) | 06:31 |
Lathiat | and then they told apple to piss off? :) | 06:31 |
Lathiat | wrong channel | 06:31 |
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\sh | and every single time when I'm listening to this song, I singing "Die Wanne ist Voll" (The Bathtub is Full), it was a comedy song of Dieter Hallervorden and Helga Veddersen (late 70th early 80th) to this melody | 06:43 |
\sh | going to office...cu later dudes | 06:51 |
\sh | re | 08:06 |
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danieln | hi all | 09:01 |
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jsgotangco | hi | 09:02 |
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\sh | hehe..this si funny...usb2 hd on my laptop, started samba, copying from another laptop with windows os over netbios shares to this hd...and everything is working | 09:12 |
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danieln | morning | 09:57 |
\sh | hey danieln | 09:57 |
danieln | \sh: hi :) | 09:58 |
\sh | danieln: could u please fill in the gaps of https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387 and https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11403 | 09:58 |
\sh | danieln: if u have some problems with those packages, bug me on IM :) | 09:59 |
danieln | \sh: well i'm not at work, i'm in school (berufsschule)... so, i'll check that later | 10:00 |
\sh | danieln: k :) | 10:00 |
danieln | mhmh | 10:01 |
danieln | was herve around yesterday? | 10:01 |
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\sh | grmpf | 10:26 |
\sh | i don't get it | 10:26 |
\sh | doko: ping | 10:26 |
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doko | \sh: pong | 10:52 |
danieln | have to go | 11:13 |
danieln | cya all | 11:13 |
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\sh | doko: running into problems with gettextize and ac* and autoconf stuff | 11:34 |
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\sh | grmf | 11:46 |
\sh | new upstream package | 11:46 |
\sh | now...new version of sdcv | 11:58 |
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks || If you wish to complain about anything, complain in #flood | ||
=== Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Mez at Mon Jun 13 01:30:25 2005 | ||
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lesliev | Hi ppl | 12:42 |
lesliev | If I want to add a file to a package and then rubuild it with debuild, I get "unrepresentable changes to source" | 12:43 |
lesliev | How do I get around that | 12:43 |
\sh | lesliev: only in the upstream package | 12:43 |
\sh | u have to put it in the orig.tar.gz or as patch in debian/patches | 12:44 |
ogra | you need to build a new source package first.... if you just change the contents of the tgz that wont work | 12:44 |
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\sh | brb...upgrade to breezy | 12:58 |
doko | \sh: please could you update the djvulibre patch in bugzilla as well? | 01:22 |
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\sh | ok...updated to breezy...what was the fix to get rid of this "no fixed font installed" issue to start X again? | 01:46 |
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\sh | ok..breezy update from hoary worked quite good | 03:00 |
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DanielN | uehh | 03:50 |
DanielN | [ lesliev ] [ spacey ] [ zul ] | 03:50 |
DanielN | 15:45 [ Firetech ] [ mbeattie ] [ stazz ] [ |QuaD- ] | 03:50 |
tseng | hello to you too | 03:50 |
DanielN | oups | 03:50 |
DanielN | hi tseng | 03:50 |
\sh | DanielN: i've updated some of your packages...please have a look into the debdiffs (already in bugzilla) so u know what's important for transition :) | 03:52 |
DanielN | \sh: thanks .. such a reference is helpful for me! | 03:53 |
DanielN | mutt | 03:56 |
DanielN | lol | 03:56 |
DanielN | :) | 03:56 |
\sh | ok...going home..cu later dudes | 03:57 |
DanielN | 15 mins left here.. | 03:58 |
DanielN | boring subject atm :/ | 03:58 |
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DanielN | yeeha | 04:08 |
DanielN | finished school | 04:08 |
DanielN | cya later :) | 04:08 |
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Riddell | should debian/README.Debian be changed to debian/README.Ubuntu ? | 04:27 |
ivoks | no | 04:31 |
siretart | Riddell: only in addition to README.Debian, to document your ubuntu specific changes. | 04:32 |
siretart | hi folks | 04:32 |
Riddell | siretart: it's a new package | 04:33 |
ivoks | they should only conatin README.Debian, IMHO | 04:33 |
ivoks | you don't need two changes files | 04:34 |
Riddell | I ment instead of README.Debian | 04:35 |
ivoks | my personal opinion is that we should differe as little is posibble from debian | 04:36 |
ivoks | we don't have big team as Debian has and we should stop importing new packages in ubuntu, IMHO | 04:37 |
siretart | Riddell: no. we respect the debian packaging policy | 04:37 |
ivoks | but, meeting is 20.06. so I guess we will talk about that | 04:38 |
Riddell | ivoks: what's this meeting? | 04:38 |
ivoks | MOTU meeting | 04:38 |
Riddell | you want to discuss stopping important new packages? | 04:38 |
Riddell | s/important/importing/ | 04:38 |
tseng | we want to discuss not having a large delta with debian | 04:39 |
tseng | the solution is to be determined | 04:39 |
ivoks | not stoping, but doing it in different way | 04:39 |
ivoks | tseng: right | 04:39 |
ivoks | tseng: does MOTU provides securoty updates for universe packages in hoary? | 04:40 |
tseng | there is a universe security team | 04:40 |
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ivoks | ok | 04:41 |
ivoks | maybe we could use debian's somehow? | 04:41 |
Nafallo | ivoks: we do. we take their patches ;-) | 04:42 |
ivoks | Nafallo: :) | 04:42 |
ivoks | i tought in other way... | 04:42 |
Nafallo | hehe | 04:42 |
ivoks | security updates rearly change configurations | 04:42 |
ivoks | they only change binarys | 04:42 |
ivoks | so, there is no point in having two security repositorys for same thing | 04:43 |
ivoks | IMHO, IHMO!!! :)) | 04:43 |
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ivoks | well, i'm not planing to fight anymore for my upload rights, i will just help MOTU as much as I can this way | 04:43 |
ivoks | so, I'll be very loud on meeting, even if I'm not old member and neither full MOTU member :) | 04:44 |
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\sh | re | 04:49 |
ivoks | hi \sh | 04:57 |
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\sh | hey ivoks | 04:58 |
ivoks | apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :) | 05:01 |
\sh | ivoks: i did the upgrade to breezy earlier on :) | 05:02 |
ivoks | and? any problems? | 05:02 |
\sh | not really...X and fonts, and kde had some pitfalls...but nothing what noone could resolve | 05:02 |
ivoks | so, you don't have hoary anymore? | 05:02 |
\sh | right | 05:03 |
ivoks | hm... | 05:03 |
ivoks | well, we should start using breezy | 05:04 |
ivoks | to check problems in day-to-day work | 05:04 |
\sh | that was my reason | 05:05 |
ivoks | i'll do it to :) | 05:05 |
ivoks | i allready did it | 05:05 |
ivoks | then got back to hoary :) | 05:05 |
ivoks | brb | 05:05 |
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ivoks | ok, KDE | 05:08 |
ivoks | urgh.... uglly :( | 05:09 |
\sh | what? | 05:13 |
ivoks | kde | 05:13 |
ivoks | i don't like kde | 05:13 |
ivoks | to... plastic :) | 05:13 |
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siretart | hm. the problem is, I need my notebook urgently.. | 05:18 |
ivoks | hhm... ETA 12h | 05:18 |
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ivoks | \sh: there is no blender in breezy?! | 05:19 |
ivoks | there is... hm... | 05:21 |
ivoks | lol... apt-cache search bledner :) | 05:22 |
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ivoks | ok, time to leave it downloading... | 05:22 |
ivoks | see you later... | 05:22 |
\sh | DanielN_PD: ping | 05:36 |
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bddebian | Howdy folks | 06:06 |
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Burgundavia | ogra, is that you cleaning out NewPackages that I see there? | 08:22 |
ogra | nope | 08:23 |
Burgundavia | just seen a fair number of things with "initial release" int he changelog | 08:24 |
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ogra | Burgundavia, that for edubuntu | 08:25 |
ogra | thats even | 08:25 |
ivoks | hi | 08:25 |
ogra | Burgundavia, how high is your boredom level ? | 08:25 |
ogra | http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuData | 08:27 |
ogra | ;) | 08:27 |
Burgundavia | hmm | 08:29 |
Burgundavia | anybody hiring? I need a job | 08:29 |
Burgundavia | but I can play with that | 08:29 |
ogra | just if you dont have to do anything else, i didnt mean to push you to it :) | 08:30 |
Burgundavia | I really actually should be looking for employment | 08:32 |
ivoks | ogra: i have 3 years of expirience of Linux in classroom, maybe i could help with edubuntu? | 08:32 |
ogra | ivoks, sure | 08:32 |
ivoks | edubuntu should implement openldap | 08:33 |
ogra | ivoks, i'm currently fixing this list of packages, to build a ltsp liveCD with that next week | 08:33 |
Burgundavia | screw openldap | 08:33 |
ogra | http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDesktop | 08:33 |
Burgundavia | it should use that new fedora directory server | 08:33 |
ivoks | without it, it would be PITA to maintain it | 08:33 |
ivoks | Burgundavia: or that | 08:33 |
Burgundavia | I asked if someone could package it for breezy in my blog | 08:33 |
ivoks | Burgundavia: but will we know everything about that DS untill breezy? | 08:34 |
ogra | Burgundavia, for now it will use our new ltsp packages... whic use ldap | 08:34 |
ivoks | cfengine2 comes to mind too | 08:34 |
Burgundavia | ivoks, it is already releaed, and based on the quite nice Netscape stuff | 08:34 |
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Burgundavia | from what I understand, it is far more scalable than Open | 08:34 |
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ivoks | Burgundavia: i didn't try it, i used openldap only | 08:34 |
tseng | mm cfengine | 08:35 |
ivoks | ogra: cfengine/cfengine2 | 08:35 |
ogra | ivoks, no cfengine at all | 08:35 |
ivoks | heh | 08:35 |
ogra | the only way to go.... | 08:35 |
ivoks | nfs? | 08:35 |
ogra | (even if i have no idea how to solve it yet | 08:35 |
ogra | ) | 08:35 |
ogra | sure | 08:35 |
ogra | nfs homes at least | 08:35 |
ivoks | nfs has lots of pitfalls | 08:35 |
ivoks | for example, you need /var/lib/gdm for every machine | 08:36 |
ivoks | i have 60 computers with root-nfs | 08:36 |
ogra | ivoks, mdz cares for that.... i can only grab the ready made packages | 08:36 |
ivoks | next year, there will be only /home | 08:36 |
ivoks | ok, i'll check and read edubuntu.org | 08:37 |
ivoks | and make a list of proposals | 08:37 |
ivoks | based on expirience | 08:37 |
ogra | i care for the assembly of all of that and for http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDesktop for now.... as well as for http://www.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet | 08:38 |
ogra | i hope to have a liveCD ready until the first weekend of july | 08:38 |
ivoks | uh | 08:39 |
ogra | so you can boot a server from it and netboot the classroom clients | 08:39 |
ogra | as a showroom release | 08:39 |
ogra | later we can just put UbuntuExpress on top of it and have the first edubuntu install CD | 08:40 |
ogra | first target for the first edubuntu release is to be able to equip one classroom out of the box.... with as less work for the teacher as possible | 08:41 |
ivoks | uh | 08:42 |
ivoks | i hope you worked on edubuntu for a long time :) | 08:42 |
ogra | the next ones should have server clustering support and probably also use a cluster filesystem instead of NFS | 08:42 |
ivoks | ok, that setup i have | 08:43 |
ivoks | openmosix in classroom | 08:43 |
ogra | i want something easier.... | 08:43 |
ivoks | easier? | 08:44 |
ogra | imagine you have installed one classroom with edubuntu to test it.... | 08:44 |
ivoks | what could be easier than that? | 08:44 |
ivoks | ok... | 08:44 |
ogra | the test went fine and you want to put it in the other rooms too | 08:44 |
ivoks | ok... | 08:44 |
ogra | you install it in the other rooms, the servers recognize each other automatically.... | 08:45 |
ivoks | ok... | 08:45 |
ogra | ...and sync their data automatically.... without you doing anything | 08:45 |
ogra | thats my targt | 08:45 |
ogra | target | 08:45 |
ivoks | well, you can't have everything automaticly | 08:46 |
ivoks | you will need to allow first server to share date to other server | 08:46 |
ogra | i want it.... if i cant get it, i have to invent i.... | 08:46 |
ogra | it even | 08:46 |
ivoks | but, user will have to do something | 08:47 |
ogra | why ? | 08:47 |
ivoks | at least allow syncing | 08:47 |
ivoks | maybe he wants two independet classrooms | 08:47 |
ogra | sure... you can have a popup on the admin workstation.... asking you | 08:47 |
ivoks | maybe he doesn't trust other server | 08:47 |
ivoks | maybe that other server isn't his server | 08:48 |
ogra | then he doesnt need to connect them | 08:48 |
ivoks | true | 08:48 |
ivoks | it has to trigger something | 08:48 |
ivoks | it can't be fully automaticly | 08:48 |
ogra | sure... but all this is solvable | 08:48 |
ivoks | at least, enter IP or something | 08:48 |
ogra | it can | 08:48 |
ivoks | it is... | 08:49 |
ivoks | well, you need java in classrooms too :) | 08:49 |
ogra | yup... thats another problem... | 08:49 |
ogra | even flash .... in norway all the tests ate flash forms | 08:50 |
ogra | are | 08:50 |
ogra | which is very odd | 08:50 |
ivoks | yeah | 08:50 |
ivoks | you need flash, java and realplayer | 08:50 |
ivoks | divx too | 08:51 |
ogra | divx ? what for ? | 08:51 |
ivoks | i know, odd, but, belive me, you need that | 08:51 |
ivoks | ffmpeg | 08:51 |
ogra | hmm | 08:51 |
ivoks | it doesn't have to be divix, ffmpeg is enough | 08:51 |
ivoks | for some animations | 08:51 |
ivoks | divix is very popular these days | 08:52 |
ogra | sure.... but i dont want to produce a movie machine | 08:52 |
ivoks | i know | 08:52 |
ogra | and i dont want to duplicate a single program, so only one video player by default | 08:52 |
ivoks | xine | 08:53 |
ivoks | :) | 08:53 |
tseng | dude kids at school dont need to watch wmv | 08:53 |
ivoks | totem-xine or gxine | 08:53 |
tseng | on their favorite porn sites | 08:53 |
ogra | i dont need to have every program on the CD, you'll have the whole ubuntu universe available | 08:53 |
ivoks | tseng: i agree | 08:54 |
ogra | (and multivers) | 08:54 |
tseng | so they can use gstreamer | 08:54 |
tseng | and ffmpeg | 08:54 |
ogra | yeps | 08:54 |
tseng | and get over it | 08:54 |
tseng | proprietary_codecs-- | 08:54 |
ivoks | ok | 08:54 |
ivoks | i run classrom on linux | 08:55 |
ivoks | so i know what teachers need | 08:55 |
ivoks | well, maybe my teachers are bad | 08:55 |
ivoks | you must have java, and thats proprietary | 08:55 |
ivoks | if you don't include java, project will be failure :( | 08:56 |
ogra | ivoks, but it must not be installed by default.... | 08:56 |
ivoks | i know ubuntu policy | 08:56 |
ogra | as long as its a one click install to get it for the whole classroom | 08:56 |
ivoks | that's why edubuntu is hard job... | 08:56 |
ogra | nah | 08:56 |
ivoks | ogra: yeah, it could be done with one click :) | 08:56 |
ivoks | heh, we will need super teacher tool then :) | 08:57 |
ogra | i'm just starting ;) | 08:57 |
ogra | http://www.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet | 08:57 |
ivoks | ogra: i saw that one :) | 08:58 |
ivoks | item locking for every individual client - uh! | 09:01 |
ogra | you mean the menu stuff ? | 09:02 |
ivoks | yes | 09:02 |
ogra | :) | 09:02 |
ivoks | Burgundavia: do you have link for that redhats directory server? | 09:05 |
ivoks | lol | 09:06 |
ivoks | fedora.org :) | 09:06 |
ivoks | directory.fedora.redhat.com | 09:07 |
Burgundavia | yes | 09:07 |
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herve | houba! | 09:08 |
ogra | hi herve | 09:08 |
ivoks | herve: !! | 09:09 |
bddebian | Heya herve | 09:09 |
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bddebian | I just ordered my second Stinkpad so hopefully I can get to Ubuntu packages relatively soon!!?? | 09:09 |
ivoks | from lenovo? | 09:10 |
ivoks | Burgundavia: heh, this is LDAP :) | 09:11 |
Burgundavia | yes, that is why I suggested we replace Open with it | 09:12 |
ivoks | ok, it shouldn't have too much new stuff to learn :) | 09:13 |
doko | ivoks: gcj is java | 09:13 |
ivoks | doko: i ment java on web pages | 09:14 |
ivoks | runtime | 09:14 |
ogra | doko, many of the edu apps are web applets | 09:14 |
ivoks | for example, web interface of Mathematica | 09:15 |
ivoks | ogra: edubuntu logo - not bad, not bad at all | 09:16 |
ogra | ivoks, there are a lot i dont like.... but also very good ones | 09:17 |
ogra | my favorite is #8 | 09:18 |
ivoks | i saw only one | 09:18 |
ivoks | :) | 09:18 |
ogra | the pdf has 9 pages :) | 09:19 |
ivoks | lol, more than one :) | 09:19 |
ivoks | 4 sucks :( | 09:19 |
ivoks | 8 is good | 09:19 |
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ogra | i like the idea of #4 it just looks bad in this design | 09:20 |
ivoks | 1, 5, 7 and 8 | 09:20 |
ivoks | too much black in 4 | 09:20 |
ogra | yep | 09:21 |
Burgundavia | where are these log ideas? | 09:22 |
Burgundavia | s/log/logo | 09:23 |
Burgundavia | never mind | 09:23 |
chillywilly | farking egg | 09:23 |
chillywilly | hey people I noticed a while back that sarge was released (yea I was late to the game)....any thoughts on that :) | 09:24 |
bddebian | chillywilly!!!! | 09:24 |
Burgundavia | hmm, I had a thought with the logo | 09:24 |
Burgundavia | the picture + ed looks a bit like it is trying to be a word | 09:24 |
Burgundavia | such as /.ed | 09:25 |
ogra | Mr. ed | 09:25 |
bddebian | chillywilly: Yeah, congrats to Debian, too bad it's about 2 years too late.. ;-P | 09:25 |
Burgundavia | I really like 1 | 09:25 |
chillywilly | yea there would've been 3 Ubuntu releases | 09:25 |
Burgundavia | clear colours | 09:25 |
chillywilly | in the time it took them to do 1 | 09:25 |
tseng | i like page 8 | 09:25 |
bddebian | chillywilly: :-) | 09:25 |
Burgundavia | but what does the person waving really mean? | 09:25 |
tseng | he is raising his hand | 09:26 |
tseng | like in a class | 09:26 |
Burgundavia | ah | 09:26 |
bddebian | chillywilly: So, are you an MOTU yet?? ;-) | 09:26 |
chillywilly | nope | 09:27 |
bddebian | loser.. ;-P | 09:27 |
chillywilly | are you? | 09:27 |
chillywilly | well? | 09:27 |
bddebian | No, I'm as useless here as everywhere else.. :-) | 09:27 |
chillywilly | ok then | 09:28 |
chillywilly | he that has no sin cast the first stone | 09:28 |
chillywilly | *thwap* | 09:28 |
bddebian | Plus I have a dead laptop.. All I have left are Hurd boxen. :-) | 09:28 |
ogra | bddebian, so start proting ubuntu to hurd then | 09:28 |
bddebian | ogra: It's on my list | 09:28 |
ogra | ok | 09:29 |
Burgundavia | I had a thought about number 8 | 09:29 |
Burgundavia | what about droping the other 2 (black) people | 09:29 |
bddebian | RACIST | 09:29 |
tseng | Nafallo: how do I start the NM icon thingy | 09:29 |
Burgundavia | and just having the figure raising its hands | 09:29 |
ogra | tseng, applet | 09:29 |
Nafallo | tseng: nm-applet | 09:29 |
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bddebian | heh | 09:29 |
chillywilly | cause I am a penGNUin | 09:30 |
chillywilly | well I play one on IRC anyway | 09:30 |
Nafallo | *sigh* right now I hate nm ;-) | 09:30 |
Nafallo | I can't reach my internal dns :-P | 09:30 |
ivoks | nm rocks :) | 09:31 |
Nafallo | and it eates 100% CPU when I plug a networkcable in ;-) | 09:31 |
ivoks | :)) | 09:31 |
ogra | Nafallo, stay wireless ;) | 09:31 |
Nafallo | cause it can't find my dhclient and tries again. | 09:31 |
Nafallo | ogra: well, it can't connect to my wireless :-P | 09:31 |
ogra | hmm, thats bad... fix it :) | 09:32 |
ivoks | Nafallo: where did you get NM? | 09:32 |
ogra | ivoks, its in | 09:32 |
Nafallo | ivoks: archive.ubuntu.com :-) | 09:32 |
ivoks | YAY! | 09:32 |
ivoks | i have ETA 2 hours for downloading rest of breezy :) | 09:33 |
Nafallo | hehe | 09:33 |
ivoks | lol | 09:33 |
ivoks | network-manager - <insert up to 60 chars description> | 09:33 |
ivoks | :) | 09:33 |
Nafallo | hahaha | 09:33 |
Nafallo | I need thom :-P | 09:34 |
ivoks | wait | 09:35 |
ivoks | that's not from archive.ubuntu.com | 09:35 |
ivoks | accutally, it isn't in breezy right now, isn't it? | 09:35 |
Nafallo | ivoks: yes it is | 09:35 |
ivoks | i updatet repos 3 hours ago | 09:36 |
Nafallo | network-manager: | 09:36 |
Nafallo | Installerad: 0.4.1+cvs20050616-1 | 09:36 |
Nafallo | Kandidat: 0.4.1+cvs20050616-1 | 09:36 |
Nafallo | Versionstabell: | 09:36 |
Nafallo | *** 0.4.1+cvs20050616-1 0 | 09:36 |
Nafallo | 500 http://darkelf breezy/universe Packages | 09:36 |
ivoks | darkelf? :) | 09:36 |
Nafallo | well, it went in less than an hour ago :-) | 09:36 |
Nafallo | yepp :-) | 09:36 |
ivoks | ok then | 09:36 |
ivoks | update again :) | 09:36 |
Nafallo | ahh, oops. apt-catcher ;-) | 09:36 |
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ivoks | Nafallo: gnome part is in network-manager package? | 09:41 |
Nafallo | ivoks: gnome part as in nm-applet yes. | 09:41 |
ivoks | ok | 09:42 |
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ivoks | /usr/sbin/hald: unrecognized option `--drop-privileges' | 09:42 |
ivoks | hal not started... hm... | 09:43 |
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Nafallo | wfm | 09:43 |
ivoks | network-manager depends on bind9. | 09:44 |
ivoks | WHAT?! | 09:44 |
Nafallo | ivoks: exactly... | 09:44 |
ivoks | why? | 09:44 |
Nafallo | ivoks: caching dns :-P | 09:44 |
ivoks | on name service server? | 09:44 |
Nafallo | ivoks: the damn thing doesn't find my internal domain :-P | 09:44 |
ivoks | :) | 09:45 |
plugwash | debian dependencies can be a bit ott sometimes | 09:45 |
Nafallo | plugwash: this is ubuntu deps ;-) | 09:46 |
plugwash | afaict ubuntu is mainly an alternate release process for debian | 09:46 |
Nafallo | oh? is network-manager in debian? | 09:48 |
ivoks | :) | 09:48 |
ivoks | and what about wifi-radar? :) | 09:48 |
ivoks | gnome 2.11?:) | 09:48 |
Nafallo | :-) | 09:49 |
Nafallo | 2.11.3 :-) | 09:49 |
ivoks | hm, hal doesn't start anymore | 09:49 |
Nafallo | strange... | 09:50 |
Nafallo | wfm @ amd64 ;-) | 09:50 |
Burgundavia | ogra, what did you do that logo in? | 09:51 |
ogra | Burgundavia, i didnt.... | 09:51 |
ogra | Burgundavia, canonical asked someone, i dont know him/her | 09:51 |
Burgundavia | ok | 09:51 |
Burgundavia | andyfitz maybe? | 09:51 |
ogra | nope, i dont think so | 09:52 |
ivoks | ok, works now | 09:52 |
ivoks | killall -9 hald :) | 09:52 |
Burgundavia | anyboyd having menus not updating in Breezy? | 09:53 |
ogra | ivoks, eeek | 09:53 |
ogra | ivoks, dont do that | 09:53 |
ogra | ivoks, sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart | 09:53 |
ivoks | ogra: yeah, that doesn't work :) | 09:53 |
ivoks | it stops | 09:53 |
ivoks | but hald is still runnning | 09:53 |
ogra | ivoks, and hal is up to date ? | 09:53 |
ivoks | so, kill them all :) | 09:54 |
ivoks | ogra: it's breezy | 09:54 |
ogra | ivoks, yes, here too.... all around me | 09:54 |
ivoks | ogra: i guess it didn't stop, so instance left haning | 09:54 |
ivoks | i stoped dbus and hal | 09:54 |
Burgundavia | ok, just a sanity check. I installed NM. it should now show up in the add to panel, no? | 09:54 |
ivoks | but that one left hanging... | 09:54 |
ivoks | kill fixed problem | 09:54 |
ogra | ah, ok... i normally reboot after an upgrade for the new kernel | 09:55 |
ivoks | well, nm doesn't show me ant network :( | 09:55 |
ivoks | any | 09:55 |
ivoks | No network devices found | 09:56 |
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jdong | guys, Breezy's Muine needs a build-dep on gnome-icon-theme | 09:59 |
jdong | nvm, it says not to complain for two weeks | 10:00 |
jdong | sorry :) | 10:00 |
tseng | good catch | 10:00 |
tseng | eh | 10:05 |
tseng | why does it need that | 10:05 |
tseng | it builds just fine without it | 10:05 |
jdong | ./configure bombed out on my chroot asking for it | 10:05 |
Nafallo | jdong: it did not in my pbuilder. | 10:05 |
jdong | oops | 10:06 |
jdong | you guys already have it in as a dep | 10:06 |
jdong | disregard my stupidity :) | 10:06 |
Nafallo | jdong: k :-) | 10:06 |
jdong | I was forcing the build to continue because I though it was only bombing out on libdbus-1-cil, but there was gnome-icon-theme, too :) | 10:07 |
\sh | back from resting | 10:07 |
Nafallo | jdong: that's why you should use pbuilder ;-) | 10:08 |
Nafallo | \sh: n-m is in the archive ;-) | 10:08 |
\sh | n-m? | 10:08 |
jdong | lol, that's why I should avoid -d... ;) | 10:08 |
Nafallo | \sh: network-manager :-) | 10:08 |
\sh | Nafallo: ah yes, I saw it | 10:08 |
Nafallo | \sh: hates me though :-P | 10:09 |
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\sh | well, i have some pitfalls in upgrading from hoary to breezy | 10:09 |
\sh | 1. overriding the already existing /etc/network/interfaces without asking | 10:09 |
\sh | 2. not taking all packages for upgrading..guessnet e.g. was not upgraded :( | 10:10 |
\sh | riddell: ping | 10:26 |
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Riddell | \sh: yo | 10:35 |
\sh | Riddell: libqt3-mt-dev as suggests/recommends dep in kdevelop3, can't we make it as dependency? | 10:36 |
\sh | god bless me for dist-upgrading to breezy...now I see some really nasty package issues ;) | 10:38 |
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herve | night all | 10:41 |
\sh | night herve | 10:41 |
Riddell | \sh: libqt3-mt-dev isn't a dependency, you might not be programming qt | 10:43 |
\sh | hmmm...correct... | 10:44 |
\sh | even if i'm not thinking about installing kdevelop for gtk programming ;) | 10:44 |
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Lathiat | hmm, multisyncs evo2 plugin is b0rked | 11:14 |
\sh | anybody awake with upload rights to universe? | 11:23 |
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Nafallo | yay! | 11:37 |
Nafallo | it's almost working :-P | 11:37 |
\sh | wow... | 11:40 |
\sh | the fonts are really nicer under breezy | 11:40 |
\sh | even the mix of gnome apps on kde | 11:41 |
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