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| === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks || If you wish to complain about anything, complain in #flood | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Mez at Mon Jun 13 01:30:25 2005 | ||
| tseng | muine uploaded! | 12:52 |
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| Unfrgiven | morning all | 01:05 |
| tseng | hi | 01:06 |
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| binbrain | I'm setup with Breezy on pbuilder, it finishes DLing everything and then it starts spitting out libstd++5.3.3-dev leaving unconfigured | 01:45 |
| seth_k | did you set up a Hoary chroot and then update to Breezy like I mentioned? | 01:46 |
| seth_k | apparently that's what you're supposed to do | 01:46 |
| binbrain | nono | 01:46 |
| binbrain | i just tried from scratch | 01:46 |
| seth_k | hmm | 01:46 |
| binbrain | set up pbuilder to breezy and then pbuilder create | 01:46 |
| seth_k | yeah | 01:47 |
| binbrain | so I should do hoary 1st and then move to breezy | 01:47 |
| seth_k | I would try it the other way, hoary then update | 01:47 |
| seth_k | yep | 01:47 |
| binbrain | aight | 01:47 |
| binbrain | thanks | 01:47 |
| seth_k | did you see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | 01:47 |
| binbrain | yeah | 01:47 |
| seth_k | ok | 01:47 |
| seth_k | it shows how to update from a Hoary to a Breezy chroot | 01:47 |
| binbrain | the bottom part shows the update | 01:48 |
| seth_k | yep | 01:48 |
| binbrain | but it didn't mention that you couldn't start from fresh with breezy | 01:48 |
| seth_k | I know, I did the same thing you did | 01:48 |
| seth_k | until I got told that you were supposed to go Hoary -> Breezy | 01:48 |
| binbrain | and it didn't work | 01:48 |
| binbrain | ok | 01:48 |
| binbrain | ok | 01:48 |
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| diamond | nite folks | 02:34 |
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| tseng | any muine fans about? | 02:46 |
| ivoks | :) | 02:46 |
| tseng | install muine-plugin-trayicon and muine-plugin-inotify | 02:47 |
| tseng | great stuff | 02:47 |
| ivoks | i'm in windows now :( | 02:48 |
| tseng | wth | 02:49 |
| ivoks | i need autocad to do some project for faculty | 02:50 |
| ivoks | and that one runs only on windows :( | 02:51 |
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| \sh | morning | 04:12 |
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| whiprush | tseng: they still haven't shown up for me. I'll try them as soon as they hit my mirror | 04:19 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: hey dude | 04:23 |
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| HostingGeek | \sh: not working at m$ yet :devil: | 04:33 |
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| eruin | anyone packaging istanbul in here? | 04:49 |
| HostingGeek | No way | 04:49 |
| HostingGeek | what crazy person is going to package a island | 04:50 |
| \sh | HostingGeek: what? | 04:50 |
| \sh | hey Unfrgiven | 04:50 |
| eruin | if you're gonna be like that; it's a city ;o | 04:50 |
| eruin | http://live.gnome.org/Istanbul | 04:50 |
| HostingGeek | what crazy person is going to package a city | 04:51 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: thanks for the libflash stuff | 04:51 |
| \sh | Unfrgiven: u r welcome :) | 04:52 |
| === eruin slaps HostingGeek ;) | ||
| ivoks | \sh: it's 5AM :) | 04:54 |
| \sh | yes...and it was a hard day yesterday, so i was sleeping since 8pm and since 3am I just woke up... | 04:55 |
| \sh | ivoks: I'm an old man ;) | 04:55 |
| Unfrgiven | three smilies in a row... we really are a happy bunch here arent we ;) | 04:55 |
| ivoks | \sh: i'm up since 2:30 :) | 04:57 |
| \sh | ivoks: why that? | 04:57 |
| ivoks | i needed to finish some drawings :) | 04:58 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: did you get my messages? | 04:58 |
| \sh | via IM? | 04:58 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: irc /msg | 04:58 |
| seth_k | eruin: dholbach has packaged it | 05:00 |
| seth_k | eruin, just today actually. you want a link? | 05:01 |
| \sh | hmmm....patching source in the early morning is not a good way to start the day...:( | 05:09 |
| seth_k | aw, what are you patching? | 05:10 |
| \sh | snmpkit | 05:12 |
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| \sh | fixed and uploaded ;) | 05:18 |
| seth_k | woo | 05:20 |
| ivoks | bye all | 05:25 |
| Unfrgiven | ivoks: cya | 05:25 |
| \sh | ok snacc is also patched and uploaded | 05:31 |
| schweeb | whats up all | 05:38 |
| \sh | it's early in the morning | 05:40 |
| \sh | hmmm..it looks like that i can resolve my last outstanding packages | 05:45 |
| \sh | libtool: install: error: cannot install `libcppsctpsocket.la' to a directory not ending in /tmp/buildd/socketapi-1.3.2/static/lib | 05:46 |
| \sh | as i said, it's early in the morning..even libtool is sleeping ;) | 05:47 |
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| mbeattie | This is a dumb question but to get a package into universe do you need to know that it will work on x86, x86-64 and ppc? | 05:57 |
| mbeattie | and what if it doesnt work on one of those archs? | 05:57 |
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| seth_k | no, you don't need to have all archs | 06:05 |
| seth_k | I just submitted a package that is x86-only, because it's about 3/4 386 assembly | 06:05 |
| \sh | let's say: it depends | 06:07 |
| Lathiat | seth_k: ooc, whats that?:) | 06:07 |
| \sh | socketapi patched, fixed and uploaded | 06:07 |
| seth_k | Lathiat, ? | 06:08 |
| Lathiat | seth_k: what package | 06:08 |
| seth_k | oh | 06:08 |
| seth_k | new upstream version of zSNES | 06:08 |
| seth_k | yay for bypassing debian | 06:08 |
| seth_k | Lathiat, breezy had 1.3.6 and debian had 1.4.0, i went upstream and yoinked 1.4.2. Had to patch it some to make it build | 06:10 |
| Lathiat | ah zsnes | 06:10 |
| === \sh is playing "You're The One That I Want" by Olivia Newton John on The Definitive Collection | ||
| \sh | and having a shower :) | 06:30 |
| === jsgotangco looks at \sh in a strange way | ||
| Lathiat | \sh: and typing on your computer? | 06:31 |
| jsgotangco | (at least its not Xanadu) | 06:31 |
| Lathiat | and then they told apple to piss off? :) | 06:31 |
| Lathiat | wrong channel | 06:31 |
| === \sh is multitasking ;) | ||
| \sh | and every single time when I'm listening to this song, I singing "Die Wanne ist Voll" (The Bathtub is Full), it was a comedy song of Dieter Hallervorden and Helga Veddersen (late 70th early 80th) to this melody | 06:43 |
| \sh | going to office...cu later dudes | 06:51 |
| \sh | re | 08:06 |
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| danieln | hi all | 09:01 |
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| jsgotangco | hi | 09:02 |
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| \sh | hehe..this si funny...usb2 hd on my laptop, started samba, copying from another laptop with windows os over netbios shares to this hd...and everything is working | 09:12 |
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| danieln | morning | 09:57 |
| \sh | hey danieln | 09:57 |
| danieln | \sh: hi :) | 09:58 |
| \sh | danieln: could u please fill in the gaps of https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387 and https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11403 | 09:58 |
| \sh | danieln: if u have some problems with those packages, bug me on IM :) | 09:59 |
| danieln | \sh: well i'm not at work, i'm in school (berufsschule)... so, i'll check that later | 10:00 |
| \sh | danieln: k :) | 10:00 |
| danieln | mhmh | 10:01 |
| danieln | was herve around yesterday? | 10:01 |
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| \sh | grmpf | 10:26 |
| \sh | i don't get it | 10:26 |
| \sh | doko: ping | 10:26 |
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| doko | \sh: pong | 10:52 |
| danieln | have to go | 11:13 |
| danieln | cya all | 11:13 |
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| \sh | doko: running into problems with gettextize and ac* and autoconf stuff | 11:34 |
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| \sh | grmf | 11:46 |
| \sh | new upstream package | 11:46 |
| \sh | now...new version of sdcv | 11:58 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks || If you wish to complain about anything, complain in #flood | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Mez at Mon Jun 13 01:30:25 2005 | ||
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| lesliev | Hi ppl | 12:42 |
| lesliev | If I want to add a file to a package and then rubuild it with debuild, I get "unrepresentable changes to source" | 12:43 |
| lesliev | How do I get around that | 12:43 |
| \sh | lesliev: only in the upstream package | 12:43 |
| \sh | u have to put it in the orig.tar.gz or as patch in debian/patches | 12:44 |
| ogra | you need to build a new source package first.... if you just change the contents of the tgz that wont work | 12:44 |
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| \sh | brb...upgrade to breezy | 12:58 |
| doko | \sh: please could you update the djvulibre patch in bugzilla as well? | 01:22 |
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| \sh | ok...updated to breezy...what was the fix to get rid of this "no fixed font installed" issue to start X again? | 01:46 |
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| \sh | ok..breezy update from hoary worked quite good | 03:00 |
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| DanielN | uehh | 03:50 |
| DanielN | [ lesliev ] [ spacey ] [ zul ] | 03:50 |
| DanielN | 15:45 [ Firetech ] [ mbeattie ] [ stazz ] [ |QuaD- ] | 03:50 |
| tseng | hello to you too | 03:50 |
| DanielN | oups | 03:50 |
| DanielN | hi tseng | 03:50 |
| \sh | DanielN: i've updated some of your packages...please have a look into the debdiffs (already in bugzilla) so u know what's important for transition :) | 03:52 |
| DanielN | \sh: thanks .. such a reference is helpful for me! | 03:53 |
| DanielN | mutt | 03:56 |
| DanielN | lol | 03:56 |
| DanielN | :) | 03:56 |
| \sh | ok...going home..cu later dudes | 03:57 |
| DanielN | 15 mins left here.. | 03:58 |
| DanielN | boring subject atm :/ | 03:58 |
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| DanielN | yeeha | 04:08 |
| DanielN | finished school | 04:08 |
| DanielN | cya later :) | 04:08 |
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| Riddell | should debian/README.Debian be changed to debian/README.Ubuntu ? | 04:27 |
| ivoks | no | 04:31 |
| siretart | Riddell: only in addition to README.Debian, to document your ubuntu specific changes. | 04:32 |
| siretart | hi folks | 04:32 |
| Riddell | siretart: it's a new package | 04:33 |
| ivoks | they should only conatin README.Debian, IMHO | 04:33 |
| ivoks | you don't need two changes files | 04:34 |
| Riddell | I ment instead of README.Debian | 04:35 |
| ivoks | my personal opinion is that we should differe as little is posibble from debian | 04:36 |
| ivoks | we don't have big team as Debian has and we should stop importing new packages in ubuntu, IMHO | 04:37 |
| siretart | Riddell: no. we respect the debian packaging policy | 04:37 |
| ivoks | but, meeting is 20.06. so I guess we will talk about that | 04:38 |
| Riddell | ivoks: what's this meeting? | 04:38 |
| ivoks | MOTU meeting | 04:38 |
| Riddell | you want to discuss stopping important new packages? | 04:38 |
| Riddell | s/important/importing/ | 04:38 |
| tseng | we want to discuss not having a large delta with debian | 04:39 |
| tseng | the solution is to be determined | 04:39 |
| ivoks | not stoping, but doing it in different way | 04:39 |
| ivoks | tseng: right | 04:39 |
| ivoks | tseng: does MOTU provides securoty updates for universe packages in hoary? | 04:40 |
| tseng | there is a universe security team | 04:40 |
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| ivoks | ok | 04:41 |
| ivoks | maybe we could use debian's somehow? | 04:41 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: we do. we take their patches ;-) | 04:42 |
| ivoks | Nafallo: :) | 04:42 |
| ivoks | i tought in other way... | 04:42 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 04:42 |
| ivoks | security updates rearly change configurations | 04:42 |
| ivoks | they only change binarys | 04:42 |
| ivoks | so, there is no point in having two security repositorys for same thing | 04:43 |
| ivoks | IMHO, IHMO!!! :)) | 04:43 |
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| ivoks | well, i'm not planing to fight anymore for my upload rights, i will just help MOTU as much as I can this way | 04:43 |
| ivoks | so, I'll be very loud on meeting, even if I'm not old member and neither full MOTU member :) | 04:44 |
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| \sh | re | 04:49 |
| ivoks | hi \sh | 04:57 |
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| \sh | hey ivoks | 04:58 |
| ivoks | apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :) | 05:01 |
| \sh | ivoks: i did the upgrade to breezy earlier on :) | 05:02 |
| ivoks | and? any problems? | 05:02 |
| \sh | not really...X and fonts, and kde had some pitfalls...but nothing what noone could resolve | 05:02 |
| ivoks | so, you don't have hoary anymore? | 05:02 |
| \sh | right | 05:03 |
| ivoks | hm... | 05:03 |
| ivoks | well, we should start using breezy | 05:04 |
| ivoks | to check problems in day-to-day work | 05:04 |
| \sh | that was my reason | 05:05 |
| ivoks | i'll do it to :) | 05:05 |
| ivoks | i allready did it | 05:05 |
| ivoks | then got back to hoary :) | 05:05 |
| ivoks | brb | 05:05 |
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| ivoks | ok, KDE | 05:08 |
| ivoks | urgh.... uglly :( | 05:09 |
| \sh | what? | 05:13 |
| ivoks | kde | 05:13 |
| ivoks | i don't like kde | 05:13 |
| ivoks | to... plastic :) | 05:13 |
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| siretart | hm. the problem is, I need my notebook urgently.. | 05:18 |
| ivoks | hhm... ETA 12h | 05:18 |
| === \sh is ill...this morning olivia newton-john and now lobo | ||
| ivoks | \sh: there is no blender in breezy?! | 05:19 |
| ivoks | there is... hm... | 05:21 |
| ivoks | lol... apt-cache search bledner :) | 05:22 |
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| ivoks | ok, time to leave it downloading... | 05:22 |
| ivoks | see you later... | 05:22 |
| \sh | DanielN_PD: ping | 05:36 |
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| bddebian | Howdy folks | 06:06 |
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| Burgundavia | ogra, is that you cleaning out NewPackages that I see there? | 08:22 |
| ogra | nope | 08:23 |
| Burgundavia | just seen a fair number of things with "initial release" int he changelog | 08:24 |
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| ogra | Burgundavia, that for edubuntu | 08:25 |
| ogra | thats even | 08:25 |
| ivoks | hi | 08:25 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, how high is your boredom level ? | 08:25 |
| ogra | http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuData | 08:27 |
| ogra | ;) | 08:27 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 08:29 |
| Burgundavia | anybody hiring? I need a job | 08:29 |
| Burgundavia | but I can play with that | 08:29 |
| ogra | just if you dont have to do anything else, i didnt mean to push you to it :) | 08:30 |
| Burgundavia | I really actually should be looking for employment | 08:32 |
| ivoks | ogra: i have 3 years of expirience of Linux in classroom, maybe i could help with edubuntu? | 08:32 |
| ogra | ivoks, sure | 08:32 |
| ivoks | edubuntu should implement openldap | 08:33 |
| ogra | ivoks, i'm currently fixing this list of packages, to build a ltsp liveCD with that next week | 08:33 |
| Burgundavia | screw openldap | 08:33 |
| ogra | http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDesktop | 08:33 |
| Burgundavia | it should use that new fedora directory server | 08:33 |
| ivoks | without it, it would be PITA to maintain it | 08:33 |
| ivoks | Burgundavia: or that | 08:33 |
| Burgundavia | I asked if someone could package it for breezy in my blog | 08:33 |
| ivoks | Burgundavia: but will we know everything about that DS untill breezy? | 08:34 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, for now it will use our new ltsp packages... whic use ldap | 08:34 |
| ivoks | cfengine2 comes to mind too | 08:34 |
| Burgundavia | ivoks, it is already releaed, and based on the quite nice Netscape stuff | 08:34 |
| === ogra shudders | ||
| Burgundavia | from what I understand, it is far more scalable than Open | 08:34 |
| === ogra whispers "cfengine" | ||
| ivoks | Burgundavia: i didn't try it, i used openldap only | 08:34 |
| tseng | mm cfengine | 08:35 |
| ivoks | ogra: cfengine/cfengine2 | 08:35 |
| ogra | ivoks, no cfengine at all | 08:35 |
| ivoks | heh | 08:35 |
| ogra | the only way to go.... | 08:35 |
| ivoks | nfs? | 08:35 |
| ogra | (even if i have no idea how to solve it yet | 08:35 |
| ogra | ) | 08:35 |
| ogra | sure | 08:35 |
| ogra | nfs homes at least | 08:35 |
| ivoks | nfs has lots of pitfalls | 08:35 |
| ivoks | for example, you need /var/lib/gdm for every machine | 08:36 |
| ivoks | i have 60 computers with root-nfs | 08:36 |
| ogra | ivoks, mdz cares for that.... i can only grab the ready made packages | 08:36 |
| ivoks | next year, there will be only /home | 08:36 |
| ivoks | ok, i'll check and read edubuntu.org | 08:37 |
| ivoks | and make a list of proposals | 08:37 |
| ivoks | based on expirience | 08:37 |
| ogra | i care for the assembly of all of that and for http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDesktop for now.... as well as for http://www.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet | 08:38 |
| ogra | i hope to have a liveCD ready until the first weekend of july | 08:38 |
| ivoks | uh | 08:39 |
| ogra | so you can boot a server from it and netboot the classroom clients | 08:39 |
| ogra | as a showroom release | 08:39 |
| ogra | later we can just put UbuntuExpress on top of it and have the first edubuntu install CD | 08:40 |
| ogra | first target for the first edubuntu release is to be able to equip one classroom out of the box.... with as less work for the teacher as possible | 08:41 |
| ivoks | uh | 08:42 |
| ivoks | i hope you worked on edubuntu for a long time :) | 08:42 |
| ogra | the next ones should have server clustering support and probably also use a cluster filesystem instead of NFS | 08:42 |
| ivoks | ok, that setup i have | 08:43 |
| ivoks | openmosix in classroom | 08:43 |
| ogra | i want something easier.... | 08:43 |
| ivoks | easier? | 08:44 |
| ogra | imagine you have installed one classroom with edubuntu to test it.... | 08:44 |
| ivoks | what could be easier than that? | 08:44 |
| ivoks | ok... | 08:44 |
| ogra | the test went fine and you want to put it in the other rooms too | 08:44 |
| ivoks | ok... | 08:44 |
| ogra | you install it in the other rooms, the servers recognize each other automatically.... | 08:45 |
| ivoks | ok... | 08:45 |
| ogra | ...and sync their data automatically.... without you doing anything | 08:45 |
| ogra | thats my targt | 08:45 |
| ogra | target | 08:45 |
| ivoks | well, you can't have everything automaticly | 08:46 |
| ivoks | you will need to allow first server to share date to other server | 08:46 |
| ogra | i want it.... if i cant get it, i have to invent i.... | 08:46 |
| ogra | it even | 08:46 |
| ivoks | but, user will have to do something | 08:47 |
| ogra | why ? | 08:47 |
| ivoks | at least allow syncing | 08:47 |
| ivoks | maybe he wants two independet classrooms | 08:47 |
| ogra | sure... you can have a popup on the admin workstation.... asking you | 08:47 |
| ivoks | maybe he doesn't trust other server | 08:47 |
| ivoks | maybe that other server isn't his server | 08:48 |
| ogra | then he doesnt need to connect them | 08:48 |
| ivoks | true | 08:48 |
| ivoks | it has to trigger something | 08:48 |
| ivoks | it can't be fully automaticly | 08:48 |
| ogra | sure... but all this is solvable | 08:48 |
| ivoks | at least, enter IP or something | 08:48 |
| ogra | it can | 08:48 |
| ivoks | it is... | 08:49 |
| ivoks | well, you need java in classrooms too :) | 08:49 |
| ogra | yup... thats another problem... | 08:49 |
| ogra | even flash .... in norway all the tests ate flash forms | 08:50 |
| ogra | are | 08:50 |
| ogra | which is very odd | 08:50 |
| ivoks | yeah | 08:50 |
| ivoks | you need flash, java and realplayer | 08:50 |
| ivoks | divx too | 08:51 |
| ogra | divx ? what for ? | 08:51 |
| ivoks | i know, odd, but, belive me, you need that | 08:51 |
| ivoks | ffmpeg | 08:51 |
| ogra | hmm | 08:51 |
| ivoks | it doesn't have to be divix, ffmpeg is enough | 08:51 |
| ivoks | for some animations | 08:51 |
| ivoks | divix is very popular these days | 08:52 |
| ogra | sure.... but i dont want to produce a movie machine | 08:52 |
| ivoks | i know | 08:52 |
| ogra | and i dont want to duplicate a single program, so only one video player by default | 08:52 |
| ivoks | xine | 08:53 |
| ivoks | :) | 08:53 |
| tseng | dude kids at school dont need to watch wmv | 08:53 |
| ivoks | totem-xine or gxine | 08:53 |
| tseng | on their favorite porn sites | 08:53 |
| ogra | i dont need to have every program on the CD, you'll have the whole ubuntu universe available | 08:53 |
| ivoks | tseng: i agree | 08:54 |
| ogra | (and multivers) | 08:54 |
| tseng | so they can use gstreamer | 08:54 |
| tseng | and ffmpeg | 08:54 |
| ogra | yeps | 08:54 |
| tseng | and get over it | 08:54 |
| tseng | proprietary_codecs-- | 08:54 |
| ivoks | ok | 08:54 |
| ivoks | i run classrom on linux | 08:55 |
| ivoks | so i know what teachers need | 08:55 |
| ivoks | well, maybe my teachers are bad | 08:55 |
| ivoks | you must have java, and thats proprietary | 08:55 |
| ivoks | if you don't include java, project will be failure :( | 08:56 |
| ogra | ivoks, but it must not be installed by default.... | 08:56 |
| ivoks | i know ubuntu policy | 08:56 |
| ogra | as long as its a one click install to get it for the whole classroom | 08:56 |
| ivoks | that's why edubuntu is hard job... | 08:56 |
| ogra | nah | 08:56 |
| ivoks | ogra: yeah, it could be done with one click :) | 08:56 |
| ivoks | heh, we will need super teacher tool then :) | 08:57 |
| ogra | i'm just starting ;) | 08:57 |
| ogra | http://www.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet | 08:57 |
| ivoks | ogra: i saw that one :) | 08:58 |
| ivoks | item locking for every individual client - uh! | 09:01 |
| ogra | you mean the menu stuff ? | 09:02 |
| ivoks | yes | 09:02 |
| ogra | :) | 09:02 |
| ivoks | Burgundavia: do you have link for that redhats directory server? | 09:05 |
| ivoks | lol | 09:06 |
| ivoks | fedora.org :) | 09:06 |
| ivoks | directory.fedora.redhat.com | 09:07 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:07 |
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| herve | houba! | 09:08 |
| ogra | hi herve | 09:08 |
| ivoks | herve: !! | 09:09 |
| bddebian | Heya herve | 09:09 |
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| bddebian | I just ordered my second Stinkpad so hopefully I can get to Ubuntu packages relatively soon!!?? | 09:09 |
| ivoks | from lenovo? | 09:10 |
| ivoks | Burgundavia: heh, this is LDAP :) | 09:11 |
| Burgundavia | yes, that is why I suggested we replace Open with it | 09:12 |
| ivoks | ok, it shouldn't have too much new stuff to learn :) | 09:13 |
| doko | ivoks: gcj is java | 09:13 |
| ivoks | doko: i ment java on web pages | 09:14 |
| ivoks | runtime | 09:14 |
| ogra | doko, many of the edu apps are web applets | 09:14 |
| ivoks | for example, web interface of Mathematica | 09:15 |
| ivoks | ogra: edubuntu logo - not bad, not bad at all | 09:16 |
| ogra | ivoks, there are a lot i dont like.... but also very good ones | 09:17 |
| ogra | my favorite is #8 | 09:18 |
| ivoks | i saw only one | 09:18 |
| ivoks | :) | 09:18 |
| ogra | the pdf has 9 pages :) | 09:19 |
| ivoks | lol, more than one :) | 09:19 |
| ivoks | 4 sucks :( | 09:19 |
| ivoks | 8 is good | 09:19 |
| === Burgundavia has posted his feel good post of the day | ||
| ogra | i like the idea of #4 it just looks bad in this design | 09:20 |
| ivoks | 1, 5, 7 and 8 | 09:20 |
| ivoks | too much black in 4 | 09:20 |
| ogra | yep | 09:21 |
| Burgundavia | where are these log ideas? | 09:22 |
| Burgundavia | s/log/logo | 09:23 |
| Burgundavia | never mind | 09:23 |
| chillywilly | farking egg | 09:23 |
| chillywilly | hey people I noticed a while back that sarge was released (yea I was late to the game)....any thoughts on that :) | 09:24 |
| bddebian | chillywilly!!!! | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, I had a thought with the logo | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | the picture + ed looks a bit like it is trying to be a word | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | such as /.ed | 09:25 |
| ogra | Mr. ed | 09:25 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: Yeah, congrats to Debian, too bad it's about 2 years too late.. ;-P | 09:25 |
| Burgundavia | I really like 1 | 09:25 |
| chillywilly | yea there would've been 3 Ubuntu releases | 09:25 |
| Burgundavia | clear colours | 09:25 |
| chillywilly | in the time it took them to do 1 | 09:25 |
| tseng | i like page 8 | 09:25 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: :-) | 09:25 |
| Burgundavia | but what does the person waving really mean? | 09:25 |
| tseng | he is raising his hand | 09:26 |
| tseng | like in a class | 09:26 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 09:26 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: So, are you an MOTU yet?? ;-) | 09:26 |
| chillywilly | nope | 09:27 |
| bddebian | loser.. ;-P | 09:27 |
| chillywilly | are you? | 09:27 |
| chillywilly | well? | 09:27 |
| bddebian | No, I'm as useless here as everywhere else.. :-) | 09:27 |
| chillywilly | ok then | 09:28 |
| chillywilly | he that has no sin cast the first stone | 09:28 |
| chillywilly | *thwap* | 09:28 |
| bddebian | Plus I have a dead laptop.. All I have left are Hurd boxen. :-) | 09:28 |
| ogra | bddebian, so start proting ubuntu to hurd then | 09:28 |
| bddebian | ogra: It's on my list | 09:28 |
| ogra | ok | 09:29 |
| Burgundavia | I had a thought about number 8 | 09:29 |
| Burgundavia | what about droping the other 2 (black) people | 09:29 |
| bddebian | RACIST | 09:29 |
| tseng | Nafallo: how do I start the NM icon thingy | 09:29 |
| Burgundavia | and just having the figure raising its hands | 09:29 |
| ogra | tseng, applet | 09:29 |
| Nafallo | tseng: nm-applet | 09:29 |
| === chillywilly is black ;) | ||
| bddebian | heh | 09:29 |
| chillywilly | cause I am a penGNUin | 09:30 |
| chillywilly | well I play one on IRC anyway | 09:30 |
| Nafallo | *sigh* right now I hate nm ;-) | 09:30 |
| Nafallo | I can't reach my internal dns :-P | 09:30 |
| ivoks | nm rocks :) | 09:31 |
| Nafallo | and it eates 100% CPU when I plug a networkcable in ;-) | 09:31 |
| ivoks | :)) | 09:31 |
| ogra | Nafallo, stay wireless ;) | 09:31 |
| Nafallo | cause it can't find my dhclient and tries again. | 09:31 |
| Nafallo | ogra: well, it can't connect to my wireless :-P | 09:31 |
| ogra | hmm, thats bad... fix it :) | 09:32 |
| ivoks | Nafallo: where did you get NM? | 09:32 |
| ogra | ivoks, its in | 09:32 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: archive.ubuntu.com :-) | 09:32 |
| ivoks | YAY! | 09:32 |
| ivoks | i have ETA 2 hours for downloading rest of breezy :) | 09:33 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 09:33 |
| ivoks | lol | 09:33 |
| ivoks | network-manager - <insert up to 60 chars description> | 09:33 |
| ivoks | :) | 09:33 |
| Nafallo | hahaha | 09:33 |
| Nafallo | I need thom :-P | 09:34 |
| ivoks | wait | 09:35 |
| ivoks | that's not from archive.ubuntu.com | 09:35 |
| ivoks | accutally, it isn't in breezy right now, isn't it? | 09:35 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: yes it is | 09:35 |
| ivoks | i updatet repos 3 hours ago | 09:36 |
| Nafallo | network-manager: | 09:36 |
| Nafallo | Installerad: 0.4.1+cvs20050616-1 | 09:36 |
| Nafallo | Kandidat: 0.4.1+cvs20050616-1 | 09:36 |
| Nafallo | Versionstabell: | 09:36 |
| Nafallo | *** 0.4.1+cvs20050616-1 0 | 09:36 |
| Nafallo | 500 http://darkelf breezy/universe Packages | 09:36 |
| ivoks | darkelf? :) | 09:36 |
| Nafallo | well, it went in less than an hour ago :-) | 09:36 |
| Nafallo | yepp :-) | 09:36 |
| ivoks | ok then | 09:36 |
| ivoks | update again :) | 09:36 |
| Nafallo | ahh, oops. apt-catcher ;-) | 09:36 |
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| ivoks | Nafallo: gnome part is in network-manager package? | 09:41 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: gnome part as in nm-applet yes. | 09:41 |
| ivoks | ok | 09:42 |
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| ivoks | /usr/sbin/hald: unrecognized option `--drop-privileges' | 09:42 |
| ivoks | hal not started... hm... | 09:43 |
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| Nafallo | wfm | 09:43 |
| ivoks | network-manager depends on bind9. | 09:44 |
| ivoks | WHAT?! | 09:44 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: exactly... | 09:44 |
| ivoks | why? | 09:44 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: caching dns :-P | 09:44 |
| ivoks | on name service server? | 09:44 |
| Nafallo | ivoks: the damn thing doesn't find my internal domain :-P | 09:44 |
| ivoks | :) | 09:45 |
| plugwash | debian dependencies can be a bit ott sometimes | 09:45 |
| Nafallo | plugwash: this is ubuntu deps ;-) | 09:46 |
| plugwash | afaict ubuntu is mainly an alternate release process for debian | 09:46 |
| Nafallo | oh? is network-manager in debian? | 09:48 |
| ivoks | :) | 09:48 |
| ivoks | and what about wifi-radar? :) | 09:48 |
| ivoks | gnome 2.11?:) | 09:48 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 09:49 |
| Nafallo | 2.11.3 :-) | 09:49 |
| ivoks | hm, hal doesn't start anymore | 09:49 |
| Nafallo | strange... | 09:50 |
| Nafallo | wfm @ amd64 ;-) | 09:50 |
| Burgundavia | ogra, what did you do that logo in? | 09:51 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, i didnt.... | 09:51 |
| ogra | Burgundavia, canonical asked someone, i dont know him/her | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | andyfitz maybe? | 09:51 |
| ogra | nope, i dont think so | 09:52 |
| ivoks | ok, works now | 09:52 |
| ivoks | killall -9 hald :) | 09:52 |
| Burgundavia | anyboyd having menus not updating in Breezy? | 09:53 |
| ogra | ivoks, eeek | 09:53 |
| ogra | ivoks, dont do that | 09:53 |
| ogra | ivoks, sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart | 09:53 |
| ivoks | ogra: yeah, that doesn't work :) | 09:53 |
| ivoks | it stops | 09:53 |
| ivoks | but hald is still runnning | 09:53 |
| ogra | ivoks, and hal is up to date ? | 09:53 |
| ivoks | so, kill them all :) | 09:54 |
| ivoks | ogra: it's breezy | 09:54 |
| ogra | ivoks, yes, here too.... all around me | 09:54 |
| ivoks | ogra: i guess it didn't stop, so instance left haning | 09:54 |
| ivoks | i stoped dbus and hal | 09:54 |
| Burgundavia | ok, just a sanity check. I installed NM. it should now show up in the add to panel, no? | 09:54 |
| ivoks | but that one left hanging... | 09:54 |
| ivoks | kill fixed problem | 09:54 |
| ogra | ah, ok... i normally reboot after an upgrade for the new kernel | 09:55 |
| ivoks | well, nm doesn't show me ant network :( | 09:55 |
| ivoks | any | 09:55 |
| ivoks | No network devices found | 09:56 |
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| jdong | guys, Breezy's Muine needs a build-dep on gnome-icon-theme | 09:59 |
| jdong | nvm, it says not to complain for two weeks | 10:00 |
| jdong | sorry :) | 10:00 |
| tseng | good catch | 10:00 |
| tseng | eh | 10:05 |
| tseng | why does it need that | 10:05 |
| tseng | it builds just fine without it | 10:05 |
| jdong | ./configure bombed out on my chroot asking for it | 10:05 |
| Nafallo | jdong: it did not in my pbuilder. | 10:05 |
| jdong | oops | 10:06 |
| jdong | you guys already have it in as a dep | 10:06 |
| jdong | disregard my stupidity :) | 10:06 |
| Nafallo | jdong: k :-) | 10:06 |
| jdong | I was forcing the build to continue because I though it was only bombing out on libdbus-1-cil, but there was gnome-icon-theme, too :) | 10:07 |
| \sh | back from resting | 10:07 |
| Nafallo | jdong: that's why you should use pbuilder ;-) | 10:08 |
| Nafallo | \sh: n-m is in the archive ;-) | 10:08 |
| \sh | n-m? | 10:08 |
| jdong | lol, that's why I should avoid -d... ;) | 10:08 |
| Nafallo | \sh: network-manager :-) | 10:08 |
| \sh | Nafallo: ah yes, I saw it | 10:08 |
| Nafallo | \sh: hates me though :-P | 10:09 |
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| \sh | well, i have some pitfalls in upgrading from hoary to breezy | 10:09 |
| \sh | 1. overriding the already existing /etc/network/interfaces without asking | 10:09 |
| \sh | 2. not taking all packages for upgrading..guessnet e.g. was not upgraded :( | 10:10 |
| \sh | riddell: ping | 10:26 |
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| Riddell | \sh: yo | 10:35 |
| \sh | Riddell: libqt3-mt-dev as suggests/recommends dep in kdevelop3, can't we make it as dependency? | 10:36 |
| \sh | god bless me for dist-upgrading to breezy...now I see some really nasty package issues ;) | 10:38 |
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| herve | night all | 10:41 |
| \sh | night herve | 10:41 |
| Riddell | \sh: libqt3-mt-dev isn't a dependency, you might not be programming qt | 10:43 |
| \sh | hmmm...correct... | 10:44 |
| \sh | even if i'm not thinking about installing kdevelop for gtk programming ;) | 10:44 |
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| Lathiat | hmm, multisyncs evo2 plugin is b0rked | 11:14 |
| \sh | anybody awake with upload rights to universe? | 11:23 |
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| Nafallo | yay! | 11:37 |
| Nafallo | it's almost working :-P | 11:37 |
| \sh | wow... | 11:40 |
| \sh | the fonts are really nicer under breezy | 11:40 |
| \sh | even the mix of gnome apps on kde | 11:41 |
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