[12:52] <tseng> muine uploaded!
[01:05] <Unfrgiven> morning all
[01:06] <tseng> hi
[01:45] <binbrain> I'm setup with Breezy on pbuilder, it finishes DLing everything and then it starts spitting out libstd++5.3.3-dev leaving unconfigured
[01:46] <seth_k> did you set up a Hoary chroot and then update to Breezy like I mentioned?
[01:46] <seth_k> apparently that's what you're supposed to do
[01:46] <binbrain> nono
[01:46] <binbrain> i just tried from scratch
[01:46] <seth_k> hmm
[01:46] <binbrain> set up pbuilder to breezy and then pbuilder create
[01:47] <seth_k> yeah
[01:47] <binbrain> so I should do hoary 1st and then move to breezy
[01:47] <seth_k> I would try it the other way, hoary then update
[01:47] <seth_k> yep
[01:47] <binbrain> aight
[01:47] <binbrain> thanks
[01:47] <seth_k> did you see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[01:47] <binbrain> yeah
[01:47] <seth_k> ok
[01:47] <seth_k> it shows how to update from a Hoary to a Breezy chroot
[01:48] <binbrain> the bottom part shows the update
[01:48] <seth_k> yep
[01:48] <binbrain> but it didn't mention that you couldn't start from fresh with breezy
[01:48] <seth_k> I know, I did the same thing you did
[01:48] <seth_k> until I got told that you were supposed to go Hoary -> Breezy
[01:48] <binbrain> and it didn't work
[01:48] <binbrain> ok
[01:48] <binbrain> ok
[02:34] <diamond> nite folks
[02:46] <tseng> any muine fans about?
[02:46] <ivoks> :)
[02:47] <tseng> install muine-plugin-trayicon and muine-plugin-inotify
[02:47] <tseng> great stuff
[02:48] <ivoks> i'm in windows now :(
[02:49] <tseng> wth
[02:50] <ivoks> i need autocad to do some project for faculty
[02:51] <ivoks> and that one runs only on windows :(
[04:12] <\sh> morning
[04:19] <whiprush> tseng: they still haven't shown up for me. I'll try them as soon as they hit my mirror
[04:23] <Unfrgiven> \sh: hey dude
[04:33] <HostingGeek> \sh: not working at m$ yet :devil:
[04:49] <eruin> anyone packaging istanbul in here?
[04:49] <HostingGeek> No way
[04:50] <HostingGeek> what crazy person is going to package a island
[04:50] <\sh> HostingGeek: what?
[04:50] <\sh> hey Unfrgiven
[04:50] <eruin> if you're gonna be like that; it's a city ;o
[04:50] <eruin> http://live.gnome.org/Istanbul
[04:51] <HostingGeek> what crazy person is going to package a city
[04:51] <Unfrgiven> \sh: thanks for the libflash stuff
[04:52] <\sh> Unfrgiven: u r welcome :)
[04:54] <ivoks> \sh: it's 5AM :)
[04:55] <\sh> yes...and it was a hard day yesterday, so i was sleeping since 8pm and since 3am I just woke up...
[04:55] <\sh> ivoks: I'm an old man ;)
[04:55] <Unfrgiven> three smilies in a row... we really are a happy bunch here arent we ;)
[04:57] <ivoks> \sh: i'm up since 2:30 :)
[04:57] <\sh> ivoks: why that?
[04:58] <ivoks> i needed to finish some drawings :)
[04:58] <Unfrgiven> \sh: did you get my messages?
[04:58] <\sh> via IM?
[04:58] <Unfrgiven> \sh: irc /msg
[05:00] <seth_k> eruin: dholbach has packaged it
[05:01] <seth_k> eruin, just today actually. you want a link?
[05:09] <\sh> hmmm....patching source in the early morning is not a good way to start the day...:(
[05:10] <seth_k> aw, what are you patching?
[05:12] <\sh> snmpkit
[05:18] <\sh> fixed and uploaded ;)
[05:20] <seth_k> woo
[05:25] <ivoks> bye all
[05:25] <Unfrgiven> ivoks: cya
[05:31] <\sh> ok snacc is also patched and uploaded
[05:38] <schweeb> whats up all
[05:40] <\sh> it's early in the morning
[05:45] <\sh> hmmm..it looks like that i can resolve my last outstanding packages
[05:46] <\sh> libtool: install: error: cannot install `libcppsctpsocket.la' to a directory not ending in /tmp/buildd/socketapi-1.3.2/static/lib
[05:47] <\sh> as i said, it's early in the morning..even libtool is sleeping ;)
[05:57] <mbeattie> This is a dumb question but to get a package into universe do you need to know that it will work on x86, x86-64 and ppc?
[05:57] <mbeattie> and what if it doesnt work on one of those archs?
[06:05] <seth_k> no, you don't need to have all archs
[06:05] <seth_k> I just submitted a package that is x86-only, because it's about 3/4 386 assembly
[06:07] <\sh> let's say: it depends
[06:07] <Lathiat> seth_k: ooc, whats that?:)
[06:07] <\sh> socketapi patched, fixed and uploaded
[06:08] <seth_k> Lathiat, ?
[06:08] <Lathiat> seth_k: what package
[06:08] <seth_k> oh
[06:08] <seth_k> new upstream version of zSNES
[06:08] <seth_k> yay for bypassing debian
[06:10] <seth_k> Lathiat, breezy had 1.3.6 and debian had 1.4.0, i went upstream and yoinked 1.4.2. Had to patch it some to make it build
[06:10] <Lathiat> ah zsnes
[06:30] <\sh> and having a shower :)
[06:31] <Lathiat> \sh: and typing on your computer?
[06:31] <jsgotangco> (at least its not Xanadu)
[06:31] <Lathiat> and then they told apple to piss off? :)
[06:31] <Lathiat> wrong channel
[06:43] <\sh> and every single time when I'm listening to this song, I singing "Die Wanne ist Voll" (The Bathtub is Full), it was a comedy song of Dieter Hallervorden and Helga Veddersen (late 70th early 80th) to this melody
[06:51] <\sh> going to office...cu later dudes
[08:06] <\sh> re
[09:01] <danieln> hi all
[09:02] <jsgotangco> hi
[09:12] <\sh> hehe..this si funny...usb2 hd on my laptop, started samba, copying from another laptop with windows os over netbios shares to this hd...and everything is working
[09:57] <danieln> morning
[09:57] <\sh> hey danieln
[09:58] <danieln> \sh: hi :)
[09:58] <\sh> danieln: could u please fill in the gaps of https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387 and https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11403
[09:59] <\sh> danieln: if u have some problems with those packages, bug me on IM :)
[10:00] <danieln> \sh: well i'm not at work, i'm in school (berufsschule)... so, i'll check that later
[10:00] <\sh> danieln: k :)
[10:01] <danieln> mhmh
[10:01] <danieln> was herve around yesterday?
[10:26] <\sh> grmpf
[10:26] <\sh> i don't get it
[10:26] <\sh> doko: ping
[10:52] <doko> \sh: pong
[11:13] <danieln> have to go
[11:13] <danieln> cya all
[11:34] <\sh> doko: running into problems with gettextize and ac* and autoconf stuff
[11:46] <\sh> grmf
[11:46] <\sh> new upstream package
[11:58] <\sh> now...new version of sdcv
[12:42] <lesliev> Hi ppl
[12:43] <lesliev> If I want to add a file to a package and then rubuild it with debuild, I get "unrepresentable changes to source"
[12:43] <lesliev> How do I get around that
[12:43] <\sh> lesliev: only in the upstream package
[12:44] <\sh> u have to put it in the orig.tar.gz or as patch in debian/patches
[12:44] <ogra> you need to build a new source package first.... if you just change the contents of the tgz that wont work
[12:58] <\sh> brb...upgrade to breezy
[01:22] <doko> \sh: please could you update the djvulibre patch in bugzilla as well?
[01:46] <\sh> ok...updated to breezy...what was the fix to get rid of this "no fixed font installed" issue to start X again?
[03:00] <\sh> ok..breezy update from hoary worked quite good
[03:50] <DanielN> uehh
[03:50] <DanielN>  [ lesliev      ]  [ spacey      ]  [ zul         ] 
[03:50] <DanielN> 15:45 [ Firetech   ]  [ mbeattie     ]  [ stazz       ]  [ |QuaD-      ] 
[03:50] <tseng> hello to you too
[03:50] <DanielN> oups
[03:50] <DanielN> hi tseng
[03:52] <\sh> DanielN: i've updated some of your packages...please have a look into the debdiffs (already in bugzilla) so u know what's important for transition :)
[03:53] <DanielN> \sh: thanks .. such a reference is helpful for me!
[03:56] <DanielN> mutt
[03:56] <DanielN> lol
[03:56] <DanielN> :)
[03:57] <\sh> ok...going home..cu later dudes
[03:58] <DanielN> 15 mins left here..
[03:58] <DanielN> boring subject atm :/
[04:08] <DanielN> yeeha
[04:08] <DanielN> finished school
[04:08] <DanielN> cya later :)
[04:27] <Riddell> should debian/README.Debian be changed to debian/README.Ubuntu ?
[04:31] <ivoks> no
[04:32] <siretart> Riddell: only in addition to README.Debian, to document your ubuntu specific changes.
[04:32] <siretart> hi folks
[04:33] <Riddell> siretart: it's a new package
[04:33] <ivoks> they should only conatin README.Debian, IMHO
[04:34] <ivoks> you don't need two changes files
[04:35] <Riddell> I ment instead of README.Debian
[04:36] <ivoks> my personal opinion is that we should differe as little is posibble from debian
[04:37] <ivoks> we don't have big team as Debian has and we should stop importing new packages in ubuntu, IMHO
[04:37] <siretart> Riddell: no. we respect the debian packaging policy
[04:38] <ivoks> but, meeting is 20.06. so I guess we will talk about that
[04:38] <Riddell> ivoks: what's this meeting?
[04:38] <ivoks> MOTU meeting
[04:38] <Riddell> you want to discuss stopping important new packages?
[04:38] <Riddell> s/important/importing/
[04:39] <tseng> we want to discuss not having a large delta with debian
[04:39] <tseng> the solution is to be determined
[04:39] <ivoks> not stoping, but doing it in different way
[04:39] <ivoks> tseng: right
[04:40] <ivoks> tseng: does MOTU provides securoty updates for universe packages in hoary?
[04:40] <tseng> there is a universe security team
[04:41] <ivoks> ok
[04:41] <ivoks> maybe we could use debian's somehow?
[04:42] <Nafallo> ivoks: we do. we take their patches ;-)
[04:42] <ivoks> Nafallo: :)
[04:42] <ivoks> i tought in other way...
[04:42] <Nafallo> hehe
[04:42] <ivoks> security updates rearly change configurations
[04:42] <ivoks> they only change binarys
[04:43] <ivoks> so, there is no point in having two security repositorys for same thing
[04:43] <ivoks> IMHO, IHMO!!! :))
[04:43] <ivoks> well, i'm not planing to fight anymore for my upload rights, i will just help MOTU as much as I can this way
[04:44] <ivoks> so, I'll be very loud on meeting, even if I'm not old member and neither full MOTU member :)
[04:49] <\sh> re
[04:57] <ivoks> hi \sh
[04:58] <\sh> hey ivoks
[05:01] <ivoks> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :)
[05:02] <\sh> ivoks: i did the upgrade to breezy earlier on :)
[05:02] <ivoks> and? any problems?
[05:02] <\sh> not really...X and fonts, and kde had some pitfalls...but nothing what noone could resolve
[05:02] <ivoks> so, you don't have hoary anymore?
[05:03] <\sh> right
[05:03] <ivoks> hm...
[05:04] <ivoks> well, we should start using breezy
[05:04] <ivoks> to check problems in day-to-day work
[05:05] <\sh> that was my reason
[05:05] <ivoks> i'll do it to :)
[05:05] <ivoks> i allready did it
[05:05] <ivoks> then got back to hoary :)
[05:05] <ivoks> brb
[05:08] <ivoks> ok, KDE
[05:09] <ivoks> urgh.... uglly :(
[05:13] <\sh> what?
[05:13] <ivoks> kde
[05:13] <ivoks> i don't like kde
[05:13] <ivoks> to... plastic :)
[05:18] <siretart> hm. the problem is, I need my notebook urgently..
[05:18] <ivoks> hhm... ETA 12h
[05:19] <ivoks> \sh: there is no blender in breezy?!
[05:21] <ivoks> there is... hm...
[05:22] <ivoks> lol... apt-cache search bledner :)
[05:22] <ivoks> ok, time to leave it downloading...
[05:22] <ivoks> see you later...
[05:36] <\sh> DanielN_PD: ping
[06:06] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[08:22] <Burgundavia> ogra, is that you cleaning out NewPackages that I see there?
[08:23] <ogra> nope
[08:24] <Burgundavia> just seen a fair number of things with "initial release" int he changelog
[08:25] <ogra> Burgundavia, that for edubuntu
[08:25] <ogra> thats even
[08:25] <ivoks> hi
[08:25] <ogra> Burgundavia, how high is your boredom level ?
[08:27] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuData
[08:27] <ogra> ;)
[08:29] <Burgundavia> hmm
[08:29] <Burgundavia> anybody hiring? I need a job
[08:29] <Burgundavia> but I can play with that
[08:30] <ogra> just if you dont have to do anything else, i didnt mean to push you to it :)
[08:32] <Burgundavia> I really actually should be looking for employment
[08:32] <ivoks> ogra: i have 3 years of expirience of Linux in classroom, maybe i could help with edubuntu?
[08:32] <ogra> ivoks, sure
[08:33] <ivoks> edubuntu should implement openldap
[08:33] <ogra> ivoks, i'm currently fixing this list of packages, to build a ltsp liveCD with that next week
[08:33] <Burgundavia> screw openldap
[08:33] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDesktop
[08:33] <Burgundavia> it should use that new fedora directory server
[08:33] <ivoks> without it, it would be PITA to maintain it
[08:33] <ivoks> Burgundavia: or that
[08:33] <Burgundavia> I asked if someone could package it for breezy in my blog
[08:34] <ivoks> Burgundavia: but will we know everything about that DS untill breezy?
[08:34] <ogra> Burgundavia, for now it will use our new ltsp packages... whic use ldap
[08:34] <ivoks> cfengine2 comes to mind too
[08:34] <Burgundavia> ivoks, it is already releaed, and based on the quite nice Netscape stuff
[08:34] <Burgundavia> from what I understand, it is far more scalable than Open
[08:34] <ivoks> Burgundavia: i didn't try it, i used openldap only
[08:35] <tseng> mm cfengine
[08:35] <ivoks> ogra: cfengine/cfengine2
[08:35] <ogra> ivoks, no cfengine at all
[08:35] <ivoks> heh
[08:35] <ogra> the only way to go....
[08:35] <ivoks> nfs?
[08:35] <ogra> (even if i have no idea how to solve it yet
[08:35] <ogra> )
[08:35] <ogra> sure
[08:35] <ogra> nfs homes at least
[08:35] <ivoks> nfs has lots of pitfalls
[08:36] <ivoks> for example, you need /var/lib/gdm for every machine
[08:36] <ivoks> i have 60 computers with root-nfs
[08:36] <ogra> ivoks, mdz cares for that.... i can only grab the ready made packages
[08:36] <ivoks> next year, there will be only /home
[08:37] <ivoks> ok, i'll check and read edubuntu.org
[08:37] <ivoks> and make a list of proposals
[08:37] <ivoks> based on expirience
[08:38] <ogra> i care for the assembly of all of that and for http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDesktop for now.... as well as for http://www.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet
[08:38] <ogra> i hope to have a liveCD ready until the first weekend of july
[08:39] <ivoks> uh
[08:39] <ogra> so you can boot a server from it and netboot the classroom clients
[08:39] <ogra> as a showroom release
[08:40] <ogra> later we can just put UbuntuExpress on top of it and have the first edubuntu install CD
[08:41] <ogra> first target for the first edubuntu release is to be able to equip one classroom out of the box.... with as less work for the teacher as possible
[08:42] <ivoks> uh
[08:42] <ivoks> i hope you worked on edubuntu for a long time :)
[08:42] <ogra> the next ones should have server clustering support and probably also use a cluster filesystem instead of NFS
[08:43] <ivoks> ok, that setup i have
[08:43] <ivoks> openmosix in classroom
[08:43] <ogra> i want something easier....
[08:44] <ivoks> easier?
[08:44] <ogra> imagine you have installed one classroom with edubuntu to test it....
[08:44] <ivoks> what could be easier than that?
[08:44] <ivoks> ok...
[08:44] <ogra> the test went fine and you want to put it in the other rooms too
[08:44] <ivoks> ok...
[08:45] <ogra> you install it in the other rooms, the servers recognize each other automatically....
[08:45] <ivoks> ok...
[08:45] <ogra> ...and sync their data automatically.... without you doing anything
[08:45] <ogra> thats my targt
[08:45] <ogra> target
[08:46] <ivoks> well, you can't have everything automaticly
[08:46] <ivoks> you will need to allow first server to share date to other server
[08:46] <ogra> i want it.... if i cant get it, i have to invent i....
[08:46] <ogra> it even
[08:47] <ivoks> but, user will have to do something
[08:47] <ogra> why ?
[08:47] <ivoks> at least allow syncing
[08:47] <ivoks> maybe he wants two independet classrooms
[08:47] <ogra> sure... you can have a popup on the admin workstation.... asking you
[08:47] <ivoks> maybe he doesn't trust other server
[08:48] <ivoks> maybe that other server isn't his server
[08:48] <ogra> then he doesnt need to connect them
[08:48] <ivoks> true
[08:48] <ivoks> it has to trigger something
[08:48] <ivoks> it can't be fully automaticly
[08:48] <ogra> sure... but all this is solvable
[08:48] <ivoks> at least, enter IP or something
[08:48] <ogra> it can
[08:49] <ivoks> it is...
[08:49] <ivoks> well, you need java in classrooms too :)
[08:49] <ogra> yup... thats another problem...
[08:50] <ogra> even flash .... in norway all the tests ate flash forms
[08:50] <ogra> are
[08:50] <ogra> which is very odd
[08:50] <ivoks> yeah
[08:50] <ivoks> you need flash, java and realplayer
[08:51] <ivoks> divx too
[08:51] <ogra> divx ? what for ?
[08:51] <ivoks> i know, odd, but, belive me, you need that
[08:51] <ivoks> ffmpeg
[08:51] <ogra> hmm
[08:51] <ivoks> it doesn't have to be divix, ffmpeg is enough
[08:51] <ivoks> for some animations
[08:52] <ivoks> divix is very popular these days
[08:52] <ogra> sure.... but i dont want to produce a movie machine
[08:52] <ivoks> i know
[08:52] <ogra> and i dont want to duplicate a single program, so only one video player by default
[08:53] <ivoks> xine
[08:53] <ivoks> :)
[08:53] <tseng> dude kids at school dont need to watch wmv
[08:53] <ivoks> totem-xine or gxine
[08:53] <tseng> on their favorite porn sites
[08:53] <ogra> i dont need to have every program on the CD, you'll have the whole ubuntu universe available
[08:54] <ivoks> tseng: i agree
[08:54] <ogra> (and multivers)
[08:54] <tseng> so they can use gstreamer
[08:54] <tseng> and ffmpeg
[08:54] <ogra> yeps
[08:54] <tseng> and get over it
[08:54] <tseng> proprietary_codecs--
[08:54] <ivoks> ok
[08:55] <ivoks> i run classrom on linux
[08:55] <ivoks> so i know what teachers need
[08:55] <ivoks> well, maybe my teachers are bad
[08:55] <ivoks> you must have java, and thats proprietary
[08:56] <ivoks> if you don't include java, project will be failure :(
[08:56] <ogra> ivoks, but it must not be installed by default....
[08:56] <ivoks> i know ubuntu policy
[08:56] <ogra> as long as its a one click install to get it for the whole classroom
[08:56] <ivoks> that's why edubuntu is hard job...
[08:56] <ogra> nah
[08:56] <ivoks> ogra: yeah, it could be done with one click :)
[08:57] <ivoks> heh, we will need super teacher tool then :)
[08:57] <ogra> i'm just starting ;)
[08:57] <ogra> http://www.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet
[08:58] <ivoks> ogra: i saw that one :)
[09:01] <ivoks>  item locking for every individual client - uh!
[09:02] <ogra> you mean the menu stuff ?
[09:02] <ivoks> yes
[09:02] <ogra> :)
[09:05] <ivoks> Burgundavia: do you have link for that redhats directory server?
[09:06] <ivoks> lol
[09:06] <ivoks> fedora.org :)
[09:07] <ivoks> directory.fedora.redhat.com
[09:07] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:08] <herve> houba!
[09:08] <ogra> hi herve
[09:09] <ivoks> herve: !!
[09:09] <bddebian> Heya herve
[09:09] <bddebian> I just ordered my second Stinkpad so hopefully I can get to Ubuntu packages relatively soon!!??
[09:10] <ivoks> from lenovo?
[09:11] <ivoks> Burgundavia: heh, this is LDAP :)
[09:12] <Burgundavia> yes, that is why I suggested we replace Open with it
[09:13] <ivoks> ok, it shouldn't have too much new stuff to learn :)
[09:13] <doko> ivoks: gcj is java
[09:14] <ivoks> doko: i ment java on web pages
[09:14] <ivoks> runtime
[09:14] <ogra> doko, many of the edu apps are web applets
[09:15] <ivoks> for example, web interface of Mathematica
[09:16] <ivoks> ogra: edubuntu logo - not bad, not bad at all
[09:17] <ogra> ivoks, there are a lot i dont like.... but also very good ones
[09:18] <ogra> my favorite is #8
[09:18] <ivoks> i saw only one
[09:18] <ivoks> :)
[09:19] <ogra> the pdf has 9 pages :)
[09:19] <ivoks> lol, more than one :)
[09:19] <ivoks> 4 sucks :(
[09:19] <ivoks> 8 is good
[09:20] <ogra> i like the idea of #4 it just looks bad in this design
[09:20] <ivoks> 1, 5, 7 and 8
[09:20] <ivoks> too much black in 4
[09:21] <ogra> yep
[09:22] <Burgundavia> where are these log ideas?
[09:23] <Burgundavia> s/log/logo
[09:23] <Burgundavia> never mind
[09:23] <chillywilly> farking egg
[09:24] <chillywilly> hey people I noticed a while back that sarge was released (yea I was late to the game)....any thoughts on that :)
[09:24] <bddebian> chillywilly!!!!
[09:24] <Burgundavia> hmm, I had a thought with the logo
[09:24] <Burgundavia> the picture + ed looks a bit like it is trying to be a word
[09:25] <Burgundavia> such as /.ed
[09:25] <ogra> Mr. ed
[09:25] <bddebian> chillywilly: Yeah, congrats to Debian, too bad it's about 2 years too late.. ;-P
[09:25] <Burgundavia> I really like 1
[09:25] <chillywilly> yea there would've been 3 Ubuntu releases
[09:25] <Burgundavia> clear colours
[09:25] <chillywilly> in the time it took them to do 1
[09:25] <tseng> i like page  8
[09:25] <bddebian> chillywilly: :-)
[09:25] <Burgundavia> but what does the person waving really mean?
[09:26] <tseng> he is raising his hand
[09:26] <tseng> like in a class
[09:26] <Burgundavia> ah
[09:26] <bddebian> chillywilly: So, are you an MOTU yet?? ;-)
[09:27] <chillywilly> nope
[09:27] <bddebian> loser.. ;-P
[09:27] <chillywilly> are you?
[09:27] <chillywilly> well?
[09:27] <bddebian> No, I'm as useless here as everywhere else.. :-)
[09:28] <chillywilly> ok then
[09:28] <chillywilly> he that has no sin cast the first stone
[09:28] <chillywilly> *thwap*
[09:28] <bddebian> Plus I have a dead laptop..  All I have left are Hurd boxen. :-)
[09:28] <ogra> bddebian, so start proting ubuntu to hurd then
[09:28] <bddebian> ogra: It's on my list
[09:29] <ogra> ok
[09:29] <Burgundavia> I had a thought about number 8
[09:29] <Burgundavia> what about droping the other 2 (black) people
[09:29] <bddebian> RACIST
[09:29] <tseng> Nafallo: how do I start the NM icon thingy
[09:29] <Burgundavia> and just having the figure raising its hands
[09:29] <ogra> tseng, applet
[09:29] <Nafallo> tseng: nm-applet
[09:29] <bddebian> heh
[09:30] <chillywilly> cause I am a penGNUin
[09:30] <chillywilly> well I play one on IRC anyway
[09:30] <Nafallo> *sigh* right now I hate nm ;-)
[09:30] <Nafallo> I can't reach my internal dns :-P
[09:31] <ivoks> nm rocks :)
[09:31] <Nafallo> and it eates 100% CPU when I plug a networkcable in ;-)
[09:31] <ivoks> :))
[09:31] <ogra> Nafallo, stay wireless ;)
[09:31] <Nafallo> cause it can't find my dhclient and tries again.
[09:31] <Nafallo> ogra: well, it can't connect to my wireless :-P
[09:32] <ogra> hmm, thats bad... fix it :)
[09:32] <ivoks> Nafallo: where did you get NM?
[09:32] <ogra> ivoks, its in
[09:32] <Nafallo> ivoks: archive.ubuntu.com :-)
[09:32] <ivoks> YAY!
[09:33] <ivoks> i have ETA 2 hours for downloading rest of breezy :)
[09:33] <Nafallo> hehe
[09:33] <ivoks> lol
[09:33] <ivoks> network-manager - <insert up to 60 chars description>
[09:33] <ivoks> :)
[09:33] <Nafallo> hahaha
[09:34] <Nafallo> I need thom :-P
[09:35] <ivoks> wait
[09:35] <ivoks> that's not from archive.ubuntu.com
[09:35] <ivoks> accutally, it isn't in breezy right now, isn't it?
[09:35] <Nafallo> ivoks: yes it is
[09:36] <ivoks> i updatet repos 3 hours ago
[09:36] <Nafallo> network-manager:
[09:36] <Nafallo>   Installerad: 0.4.1+cvs20050616-1
[09:36] <Nafallo>   Kandidat: 0.4.1+cvs20050616-1
[09:36] <Nafallo>   Versionstabell:
[09:36] <Nafallo>  *** 0.4.1+cvs20050616-1 0
[09:36] <Nafallo>         500 http://darkelf breezy/universe Packages
[09:36] <ivoks> darkelf? :)
[09:36] <Nafallo> well, it went in less than an hour ago :-)
[09:36] <Nafallo> yepp :-)
[09:36] <ivoks> ok then
[09:36] <ivoks> update again :)
[09:36] <Nafallo> ahh, oops. apt-catcher ;-)
[09:41] <ivoks> Nafallo: gnome part is in network-manager package?
[09:41] <Nafallo> ivoks: gnome part as in nm-applet yes.
[09:42] <ivoks> ok
[09:42] <ivoks>  /usr/sbin/hald: unrecognized option `--drop-privileges'
[09:43] <ivoks> hal not started... hm...
[09:43] <Nafallo> wfm
[09:44] <ivoks> network-manager depends on bind9.
[09:44] <ivoks> WHAT?!
[09:44] <Nafallo> ivoks: exactly...
[09:44] <ivoks> why?
[09:44] <Nafallo> ivoks: caching dns :-P
[09:44] <ivoks> on name service server?
[09:44] <Nafallo> ivoks: the damn thing doesn't find my internal domain :-P
[09:45] <ivoks> :)
[09:45] <plugwash> debian dependencies can be a bit ott sometimes
[09:46] <Nafallo> plugwash: this is ubuntu deps ;-)
[09:46] <plugwash> afaict ubuntu is mainly an alternate release process for debian
[09:48] <Nafallo> oh? is network-manager in debian?
[09:48] <ivoks> :)
[09:48] <ivoks> and what about wifi-radar? :)
[09:48] <ivoks> gnome 2.11?:)
[09:49] <Nafallo> :-)
[09:49] <Nafallo> 2.11.3 :-)
[09:49] <ivoks> hm, hal doesn't start anymore
[09:50] <Nafallo> strange...
[09:50] <Nafallo> wfm @ amd64 ;-)
[09:51] <Burgundavia> ogra, what did you do that logo in?
[09:51] <ogra> Burgundavia, i didnt....
[09:51] <ogra> Burgundavia, canonical asked someone, i dont know him/her
[09:51] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:51] <Burgundavia> andyfitz maybe?
[09:52] <ogra> nope, i dont think so
[09:52] <ivoks> ok, works now
[09:52] <ivoks> killall -9 hald :)
[09:53] <Burgundavia> anyboyd having menus not updating in Breezy?
[09:53] <ogra> ivoks, eeek
[09:53] <ogra> ivoks, dont do that
[09:53] <ogra> ivoks, sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart
[09:53] <ivoks> ogra: yeah, that doesn't work :)
[09:53] <ivoks> it stops
[09:53] <ivoks> but hald is still runnning
[09:53] <ogra> ivoks, and hal is up to date ?
[09:54] <ivoks> so, kill them all :)
[09:54] <ivoks> ogra: it's breezy
[09:54] <ogra> ivoks, yes, here too.... all around me
[09:54] <ivoks> ogra: i guess it didn't stop, so instance left haning
[09:54] <ivoks> i stoped dbus and hal
[09:54] <Burgundavia> ok, just a sanity check. I installed NM. it should now show up in the add to panel, no?
[09:54] <ivoks> but that one left hanging...
[09:54] <ivoks> kill fixed problem
[09:55] <ogra> ah, ok... i normally reboot after an upgrade for the new kernel
[09:55] <ivoks> well, nm doesn't show me ant network :(
[09:55] <ivoks> any
[09:56] <ivoks> No network devices found
[09:59] <jdong> guys, Breezy's Muine needs a build-dep on gnome-icon-theme
[10:00] <jdong> nvm, it says not to complain for two weeks
[10:00] <jdong> sorry :)
[10:00] <tseng> good catch
[10:05] <tseng> eh
[10:05] <tseng> why does it need that
[10:05] <tseng> it builds just fine without it
[10:05] <jdong> ./configure bombed out on my chroot asking for it
[10:05] <Nafallo> jdong: it did not in my pbuilder.
[10:06] <jdong> oops
[10:06] <jdong> you guys already have it in as a dep
[10:06] <jdong> disregard my stupidity :)
[10:06] <Nafallo> jdong: k :-)
[10:07] <jdong> I was forcing the build to continue because I though it was only bombing out on libdbus-1-cil, but there was gnome-icon-theme, too :)
[10:07] <\sh> back from resting
[10:08] <Nafallo> jdong: that's why you should use pbuilder ;-)
[10:08] <Nafallo> \sh: n-m is in the archive ;-)
[10:08] <\sh> n-m?
[10:08] <jdong> lol, that's why I should avoid -d... ;)
[10:08] <Nafallo> \sh: network-manager :-)
[10:08] <\sh> Nafallo: ah yes, I saw it
[10:09] <Nafallo> \sh: hates me though :-P
[10:09] <\sh> well, i have some pitfalls in upgrading from hoary to breezy
[10:09] <\sh> 1. overriding the already existing /etc/network/interfaces without asking
[10:10] <\sh> 2. not taking all packages for upgrading..guessnet e.g. was not upgraded :(
[10:26] <\sh> riddell: ping
[10:35] <Riddell> \sh: yo
[10:36] <\sh> Riddell: libqt3-mt-dev as suggests/recommends dep in kdevelop3, can't we make it as dependency?
[10:38] <\sh> god bless me for dist-upgrading to breezy...now I see some really nasty package issues ;)
[10:41] <herve> night all
[10:41] <\sh> night herve
[10:43] <Riddell> \sh: libqt3-mt-dev isn't a dependency, you might not be programming qt
[10:44] <\sh> hmmm...correct...
[10:44] <\sh> even if i'm not thinking about installing kdevelop for gtk programming ;)
[11:14] <Lathiat> hmm, multisyncs evo2 plugin is b0rked
[11:23] <\sh> anybody awake with upload rights to universe?
[11:37] <Nafallo> yay!
[11:37] <Nafallo> it's almost working :-P
[11:40] <\sh> wow...
[11:40] <\sh> the fonts are really nicer under breezy
[11:41] <\sh> even the mix of gnome apps on kde