=== ubuntulog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks || If you wish to complain about anything, complain in #flood === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Mez at Mon Jun 13 01:30:25 2005 [12:52] muine uploaded! [01:05] morning all [01:06] hi === Arrogance [~aks@CPE00112f96b894-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === binbrain [~binbrain@ppp-68-248-6-140.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] I'm setup with Breezy on pbuilder, it finishes DLing everything and then it starts spitting out libstd++5.3.3-dev leaving unconfigured [01:46] did you set up a Hoary chroot and then update to Breezy like I mentioned? [01:46] apparently that's what you're supposed to do [01:46] nono [01:46] i just tried from scratch [01:46] hmm [01:46] set up pbuilder to breezy and then pbuilder create [01:47] yeah [01:47] so I should do hoary 1st and then move to breezy [01:47] I would try it the other way, hoary then update [01:47] yep [01:47] aight [01:47] thanks [01:47] did you see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto [01:47] yeah [01:47] ok [01:47] it shows how to update from a Hoary to a Breezy chroot [01:48] the bottom part shows the update [01:48] yep [01:48] but it didn't mention that you couldn't start from fresh with breezy [01:48] I know, I did the same thing you did [01:48] until I got told that you were supposed to go Hoary -> Breezy [01:48] and it didn't work [01:48] ok [01:48] ok === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] nite folks === ivoks [~sdf@lns01-1299.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] any muine fans about? [02:46] :) [02:47] install muine-plugin-trayicon and muine-plugin-inotify [02:47] great stuff [02:48] i'm in windows now :( [02:49] wth [02:50] i need autocad to do some project for faculty [02:51] and that one runs only on windows :( === seth_k [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~sdf@lns01-1299.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:12] <\sh> morning === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-1299.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] tseng: they still haven't shown up for me. I'll try them as soon as they hit my mirror [04:23] \sh: hey dude === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:33] \sh: not working at m$ yet :devil: === blahrus [gzyhf@12-223-50-121.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === eruin [~eruin@eruin.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:49] anyone packaging istanbul in here? [04:49] No way [04:50] what crazy person is going to package a island [04:50] <\sh> HostingGeek: what? [04:50] <\sh> hey Unfrgiven [04:50] if you're gonna be like that; it's a city ;o [04:50] http://live.gnome.org/Istanbul [04:51] what crazy person is going to package a city [04:51] \sh: thanks for the libflash stuff [04:52] <\sh> Unfrgiven: u r welcome :) === eruin slaps HostingGeek ;) [04:54] \sh: it's 5AM :) [04:55] <\sh> yes...and it was a hard day yesterday, so i was sleeping since 8pm and since 3am I just woke up... [04:55] <\sh> ivoks: I'm an old man ;) [04:55] three smilies in a row... we really are a happy bunch here arent we ;) [04:57] \sh: i'm up since 2:30 :) [04:57] <\sh> ivoks: why that? [04:58] i needed to finish some drawings :) [04:58] \sh: did you get my messages? [04:58] <\sh> via IM? [04:58] \sh: irc /msg [05:00] eruin: dholbach has packaged it [05:01] eruin, just today actually. you want a link? [05:09] <\sh> hmmm....patching source in the early morning is not a good way to start the day...:( [05:10] aw, what are you patching? [05:12] <\sh> snmpkit === cpayan [~cpayan@user-1120uf8.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cpayan [~cpayan@user-1120uf8.dsl.mindspring.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [05:18] <\sh> fixed and uploaded ;) [05:20] woo [05:25] bye all [05:25] ivoks: cya [05:31] <\sh> ok snacc is also patched and uploaded [05:38] whats up all [05:40] <\sh> it's early in the morning [05:45] <\sh> hmmm..it looks like that i can resolve my last outstanding packages [05:46] <\sh> libtool: install: error: cannot install `libcppsctpsocket.la' to a directory not ending in /tmp/buildd/socketapi-1.3.2/static/lib [05:47] <\sh> as i said, it's early in the morning..even libtool is sleeping ;) === blahrus [gzyhf@12-223-50-121.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [~doko___@dsl-082-082-201-214.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tepsipakki [~tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielN_PD [~KodiaK@162.23.4.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tseng [~tseng@mail.thegrebs.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Choubaka [choubaka@ihme.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lamont [~lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:57] This is a dumb question but to get a package into universe do you need to know that it will work on x86, x86-64 and ppc? [05:57] and what if it doesnt work on one of those archs? === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:05] no, you don't need to have all archs [06:05] I just submitted a package that is x86-only, because it's about 3/4 386 assembly [06:07] <\sh> let's say: it depends [06:07] seth_k: ooc, whats that?:) [06:07] <\sh> socketapi patched, fixed and uploaded [06:08] Lathiat, ? [06:08] seth_k: what package [06:08] oh [06:08] new upstream version of zSNES [06:08] yay for bypassing debian [06:10] Lathiat, breezy had 1.3.6 and debian had 1.4.0, i went upstream and yoinked 1.4.2. Had to patch it some to make it build [06:10] ah zsnes === \sh is playing "You're The One That I Want" by Olivia Newton John on The Definitive Collection [06:30] <\sh> and having a shower :) === jsgotangco looks at \sh in a strange way [06:31] \sh: and typing on your computer? [06:31] (at least its not Xanadu) [06:31] and then they told apple to piss off? :) [06:31] wrong channel === \sh is multitasking ;) [06:43] <\sh> and every single time when I'm listening to this song, I singing "Die Wanne ist Voll" (The Bathtub is Full), it was a comedy song of Dieter Hallervorden and Helga Veddersen (late 70th early 80th) to this melody [06:51] <\sh> going to office...cu later dudes [08:06] <\sh> re === janm [~jm__@202.172.110.84] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === danieln [foobar@84-72-116-38.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] hi all === danieln is now known as DanielN [09:02] hi === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.151] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:12] <\sh> hehe..this si funny...usb2 hd on my laptop, started samba, copying from another laptop with windows os over netbios shares to this hd...and everything is working === herzi [~herzi@c205165.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mort [~moritz@80-219-6-182.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === danieln [foobar@84-72-116-38.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:57] morning [09:57] <\sh> hey danieln [09:58] \sh: hi :) [09:58] <\sh> danieln: could u please fill in the gaps of https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387 and https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11403 [09:59] <\sh> danieln: if u have some problems with those packages, bug me on IM :) [10:00] \sh: well i'm not at work, i'm in school (berufsschule)... so, i'll check that later [10:00] <\sh> danieln: k :) [10:01] mhmh [10:01] was herve around yesterday? === smurflogbot [~SmurfLogB@netz.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:26] <\sh> grmpf [10:26] <\sh> i don't get it [10:26] <\sh> doko: ping === GheRivero [~ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@ksl403-uva-153.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:52] \sh: pong [11:13] have to go [11:13] cya all === koke_ [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:34] <\sh> doko: running into problems with gettextize and ac* and autoconf stuff === ozamosi [~ozamosi@h158n5c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === smurflogbot [~SmurfLogB@netz.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === smurflogbot [~SmurfLogB@netz.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:46] <\sh> grmf [11:46] <\sh> new upstream package [11:58] <\sh> now...new version of sdcv === smurflogbot [~SmurfLogB@netz.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke_ [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu === smurflogbot [~SmurfLogB@netz.smurf.noris.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === smurflogbot [~SmurfLogB@netz.smurf.noris.de] has left #ubuntu-motu ["smurfix"] === warthylog [~warthylog@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about mono deps for next 2 weeks | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks || If you wish to complain about anything, complain in #flood === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by Mez at Mon Jun 13 01:30:25 2005 === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE00501836c657-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lesliev [~lesliev@wbs-196-2-119-223.wbs.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Majlo [~mario@213.215.74.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] Hi ppl [12:43] If I want to add a file to a package and then rubuild it with debuild, I get "unrepresentable changes to source" [12:43] How do I get around that [12:43] <\sh> lesliev: only in the upstream package [12:44] <\sh> u have to put it in the orig.tar.gz or as patch in debian/patches [12:44] you need to build a new source package first.... if you just change the contents of the tgz that wont work === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-062-132.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] <\sh> brb...upgrade to breezy [01:22] \sh: please could you update the djvulibre patch in bugzilla as well? === ogra [~ogra@p5089CA48.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === susus_ [~sz@p5089CA48.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic_ [~prospero@wolax9-158.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] <\sh> ok...updated to breezy...what was the fix to get rid of this "no fixed font installed" issue to start X again? === HiddenWolf [~HiddenWol@213-73-250-180.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@161.53.50.53] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:00] <\sh> ok..breezy update from hoary worked quite good === jamessan|work [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [~mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielN [foobar@84-72-116-38.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] uehh [03:50] [ lesliev ] [ spacey ] [ zul ] [03:50] 15:45 [ Firetech ] [ mbeattie ] [ stazz ] [ |QuaD- ] [03:50] hello to you too [03:50] oups [03:50] hi tseng [03:52] <\sh> DanielN: i've updated some of your packages...please have a look into the debdiffs (already in bugzilla) so u know what's important for transition :) [03:53] \sh: thanks .. such a reference is helpful for me! [03:56] mutt [03:56] lol [03:56] :) [03:57] <\sh> ok...going home..cu later dudes [03:58] 15 mins left here.. [03:58] boring subject atm :/ === imightbegiant [~imightbeg@ilamp-in-417.TIS.CWRU.Edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:08] yeeha [04:08] finished school [04:08] cya later :) === lamont__ [~lamont@15.238.7.83] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0313.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] should debian/README.Debian be changed to debian/README.Ubuntu ? [04:31] no [04:32] Riddell: only in addition to README.Debian, to document your ubuntu specific changes. [04:32] hi folks [04:33] siretart: it's a new package [04:33] they should only conatin README.Debian, IMHO [04:34] you don't need two changes files [04:35] I ment instead of README.Debian [04:36] my personal opinion is that we should differe as little is posibble from debian [04:37] we don't have big team as Debian has and we should stop importing new packages in ubuntu, IMHO [04:37] Riddell: no. we respect the debian packaging policy [04:38] but, meeting is 20.06. so I guess we will talk about that [04:38] ivoks: what's this meeting? [04:38] MOTU meeting [04:38] you want to discuss stopping important new packages? [04:38] s/important/importing/ [04:39] we want to discuss not having a large delta with debian [04:39] the solution is to be determined [04:39] not stoping, but doing it in different way [04:39] tseng: right [04:40] tseng: does MOTU provides securoty updates for universe packages in hoary? [04:40] there is a universe security team === tseng points at Nafallo [04:41] ok [04:41] maybe we could use debian's somehow? [04:42] ivoks: we do. we take their patches ;-) [04:42] Nafallo: :) [04:42] i tought in other way... [04:42] hehe [04:42] security updates rearly change configurations [04:42] they only change binarys [04:43] so, there is no point in having two security repositorys for same thing [04:43] IMHO, IHMO!!! :)) === mitsuhiko [~mitsuhiko@213.33.95.56] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:43] well, i'm not planing to fight anymore for my upload rights, i will just help MOTU as much as I can this way [04:44] so, I'll be very loud on meeting, even if I'm not old member and neither full MOTU member :) === ogra [~ogra@p5089CA48.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:49] <\sh> re [04:57] hi \sh === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \S2 [~s2@host25-47.pool8256.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:58] <\sh> hey ivoks [05:01] apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :) [05:02] <\sh> ivoks: i did the upgrade to breezy earlier on :) [05:02] and? any problems? [05:02] <\sh> not really...X and fonts, and kde had some pitfalls...but nothing what noone could resolve [05:02] so, you don't have hoary anymore? [05:03] <\sh> right [05:03] hm... [05:04] well, we should start using breezy [05:04] to check problems in day-to-day work [05:05] <\sh> that was my reason [05:05] i'll do it to :) [05:05] i allready did it [05:05] then got back to hoary :) [05:05] brb === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0313.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:08] ok, KDE [05:09] urgh.... uglly :( [05:13] <\sh> what? [05:13] kde [05:13] i don't like kde [05:13] to... plastic :) === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:18] hm. the problem is, I need my notebook urgently.. [05:18] hhm... ETA 12h === \sh is ill...this morning olivia newton-john and now lobo [05:19] \sh: there is no blender in breezy?! [05:21] there is... hm... [05:22] lol... apt-cache search bledner :) === herzi [~herzi@c172141.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] ok, time to leave it downloading... [05:22] see you later... [05:36] <\sh> DanielN_PD: ping === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [~bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:06] Howdy folks === JanC [~janc@JanC.member.lugwv] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kaloz [~kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === motaboy [~motaboy@host253-3.pool80183.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [Amaranth@AC93012D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Majlo [~mario@213.215.74.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Majlo [~mario@213.215.74.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:22] ogra, is that you cleaning out NewPackages that I see there? [08:23] nope [08:24] just seen a fair number of things with "initial release" int he changelog === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0313.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:25] Burgundavia, that for edubuntu [08:25] thats even [08:25] hi [08:25] Burgundavia, how high is your boredom level ? [08:27] http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuData [08:27] ;) [08:29] hmm [08:29] anybody hiring? I need a job [08:29] but I can play with that [08:30] just if you dont have to do anything else, i didnt mean to push you to it :) [08:32] I really actually should be looking for employment [08:32] ogra: i have 3 years of expirience of Linux in classroom, maybe i could help with edubuntu? [08:32] ivoks, sure [08:33] edubuntu should implement openldap [08:33] ivoks, i'm currently fixing this list of packages, to build a ltsp liveCD with that next week [08:33] screw openldap [08:33] http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDesktop [08:33] it should use that new fedora directory server [08:33] without it, it would be PITA to maintain it [08:33] Burgundavia: or that [08:33] I asked if someone could package it for breezy in my blog [08:34] Burgundavia: but will we know everything about that DS untill breezy? [08:34] Burgundavia, for now it will use our new ltsp packages... whic use ldap [08:34] cfengine2 comes to mind too [08:34] ivoks, it is already releaed, and based on the quite nice Netscape stuff === ogra shudders [08:34] from what I understand, it is far more scalable than Open === ogra whispers "cfengine" [08:34] Burgundavia: i didn't try it, i used openldap only [08:35] mm cfengine [08:35] ogra: cfengine/cfengine2 [08:35] ivoks, no cfengine at all [08:35] heh [08:35] the only way to go.... [08:35] nfs? [08:35] (even if i have no idea how to solve it yet [08:35] ) [08:35] sure [08:35] nfs homes at least [08:35] nfs has lots of pitfalls [08:36] for example, you need /var/lib/gdm for every machine [08:36] i have 60 computers with root-nfs [08:36] ivoks, mdz cares for that.... i can only grab the ready made packages [08:36] next year, there will be only /home [08:37] ok, i'll check and read edubuntu.org [08:37] and make a list of proposals [08:37] based on expirience [08:38] i care for the assembly of all of that and for http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDesktop for now.... as well as for http://www.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet [08:38] i hope to have a liveCD ready until the first weekend of july [08:39] uh [08:39] so you can boot a server from it and netboot the classroom clients [08:39] as a showroom release [08:40] later we can just put UbuntuExpress on top of it and have the first edubuntu install CD [08:41] first target for the first edubuntu release is to be able to equip one classroom out of the box.... with as less work for the teacher as possible [08:42] uh [08:42] i hope you worked on edubuntu for a long time :) [08:42] the next ones should have server clustering support and probably also use a cluster filesystem instead of NFS [08:43] ok, that setup i have [08:43] openmosix in classroom [08:43] i want something easier.... [08:44] easier? [08:44] imagine you have installed one classroom with edubuntu to test it.... [08:44] what could be easier than that? [08:44] ok... [08:44] the test went fine and you want to put it in the other rooms too [08:44] ok... [08:45] you install it in the other rooms, the servers recognize each other automatically.... [08:45] ok... [08:45] ...and sync their data automatically.... without you doing anything [08:45] thats my targt [08:45] target [08:46] well, you can't have everything automaticly [08:46] you will need to allow first server to share date to other server [08:46] i want it.... if i cant get it, i have to invent i.... [08:46] it even [08:47] but, user will have to do something [08:47] why ? [08:47] at least allow syncing [08:47] maybe he wants two independet classrooms [08:47] sure... you can have a popup on the admin workstation.... asking you [08:47] maybe he doesn't trust other server [08:48] maybe that other server isn't his server [08:48] then he doesnt need to connect them [08:48] true [08:48] it has to trigger something [08:48] it can't be fully automaticly [08:48] sure... but all this is solvable [08:48] at least, enter IP or something [08:48] it can [08:49] it is... [08:49] well, you need java in classrooms too :) [08:49] yup... thats another problem... [08:50] even flash .... in norway all the tests ate flash forms [08:50] are [08:50] which is very odd [08:50] yeah [08:50] you need flash, java and realplayer [08:51] divx too [08:51] divx ? what for ? [08:51] i know, odd, but, belive me, you need that [08:51] ffmpeg [08:51] hmm [08:51] it doesn't have to be divix, ffmpeg is enough [08:51] for some animations [08:52] divix is very popular these days [08:52] sure.... but i dont want to produce a movie machine [08:52] i know [08:52] and i dont want to duplicate a single program, so only one video player by default [08:53] xine [08:53] :) [08:53] dude kids at school dont need to watch wmv [08:53] totem-xine or gxine [08:53] on their favorite porn sites [08:53] i dont need to have every program on the CD, you'll have the whole ubuntu universe available [08:54] tseng: i agree [08:54] (and multivers) [08:54] so they can use gstreamer [08:54] and ffmpeg [08:54] yeps [08:54] and get over it [08:54] proprietary_codecs-- [08:54] ok [08:55] i run classrom on linux [08:55] so i know what teachers need [08:55] well, maybe my teachers are bad [08:55] you must have java, and thats proprietary [08:56] if you don't include java, project will be failure :( [08:56] ivoks, but it must not be installed by default.... [08:56] i know ubuntu policy [08:56] as long as its a one click install to get it for the whole classroom [08:56] that's why edubuntu is hard job... [08:56] nah [08:56] ogra: yeah, it could be done with one click :) [08:57] heh, we will need super teacher tool then :) [08:57] i'm just starting ;) [08:57] http://www.edubuntu.org/TeachersPet [08:58] ogra: i saw that one :) [09:01] item locking for every individual client - uh! [09:02] you mean the menu stuff ? [09:02] yes [09:02] :) [09:05] Burgundavia: do you have link for that redhats directory server? [09:06] lol [09:06] fedora.org :) [09:07] directory.fedora.redhat.com [09:07] yes === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:08] houba! [09:08] hi herve [09:09] herve: !! [09:09] Heya herve === \S2 [~s2@host25-47.pool8256.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:09] I just ordered my second Stinkpad so hopefully I can get to Ubuntu packages relatively soon!!?? [09:10] from lenovo? [09:11] Burgundavia: heh, this is LDAP :) [09:12] yes, that is why I suggested we replace Open with it [09:13] ok, it shouldn't have too much new stuff to learn :) [09:13] ivoks: gcj is java [09:14] doko: i ment java on web pages [09:14] runtime [09:14] doko, many of the edu apps are web applets [09:15] for example, web interface of Mathematica [09:16] ogra: edubuntu logo - not bad, not bad at all [09:17] ivoks, there are a lot i dont like.... but also very good ones [09:18] my favorite is #8 [09:18] i saw only one [09:18] :) [09:19] the pdf has 9 pages :) [09:19] lol, more than one :) [09:19] 4 sucks :( [09:19] 8 is good === Burgundavia has posted his feel good post of the day [09:20] i like the idea of #4 it just looks bad in this design [09:20] 1, 5, 7 and 8 [09:20] too much black in 4 [09:21] yep [09:22] where are these log ideas? [09:23] s/log/logo [09:23] never mind [09:23] farking egg [09:24] hey people I noticed a while back that sarge was released (yea I was late to the game)....any thoughts on that :) [09:24] chillywilly!!!! [09:24] hmm, I had a thought with the logo [09:24] the picture + ed looks a bit like it is trying to be a word [09:25] such as /.ed [09:25] Mr. ed [09:25] chillywilly: Yeah, congrats to Debian, too bad it's about 2 years too late.. ;-P [09:25] I really like 1 [09:25] yea there would've been 3 Ubuntu releases [09:25] clear colours [09:25] in the time it took them to do 1 [09:25] i like page 8 [09:25] chillywilly: :-) [09:25] but what does the person waving really mean? [09:26] he is raising his hand [09:26] like in a class [09:26] ah [09:26] chillywilly: So, are you an MOTU yet?? ;-) [09:27] nope [09:27] loser.. ;-P [09:27] are you? [09:27] well? [09:27] No, I'm as useless here as everywhere else.. :-) [09:28] ok then [09:28] he that has no sin cast the first stone [09:28] *thwap* [09:28] Plus I have a dead laptop.. All I have left are Hurd boxen. :-) [09:28] bddebian, so start proting ubuntu to hurd then [09:28] ogra: It's on my list [09:29] ok [09:29] I had a thought about number 8 [09:29] what about droping the other 2 (black) people [09:29] RACIST [09:29] Nafallo: how do I start the NM icon thingy [09:29] and just having the figure raising its hands [09:29] tseng, applet [09:29] tseng: nm-applet === chillywilly is black ;) [09:29] heh [09:30] cause I am a penGNUin [09:30] well I play one on IRC anyway [09:30] *sigh* right now I hate nm ;-) [09:30] I can't reach my internal dns :-P [09:31] nm rocks :) [09:31] and it eates 100% CPU when I plug a networkcable in ;-) [09:31] :)) [09:31] Nafallo, stay wireless ;) [09:31] cause it can't find my dhclient and tries again. [09:31] ogra: well, it can't connect to my wireless :-P [09:32] hmm, thats bad... fix it :) [09:32] Nafallo: where did you get NM? [09:32] ivoks, its in [09:32] ivoks: archive.ubuntu.com :-) [09:32] YAY! [09:33] i have ETA 2 hours for downloading rest of breezy :) [09:33] hehe [09:33] lol [09:33] network-manager - [09:33] :) [09:33] hahaha [09:34] I need thom :-P [09:35] wait [09:35] that's not from archive.ubuntu.com [09:35] accutally, it isn't in breezy right now, isn't it? [09:35] ivoks: yes it is [09:36] i updatet repos 3 hours ago [09:36] network-manager: [09:36] Installerad: 0.4.1+cvs20050616-1 [09:36] Kandidat: 0.4.1+cvs20050616-1 [09:36] Versionstabell: [09:36] *** 0.4.1+cvs20050616-1 0 [09:36] 500 http://darkelf breezy/universe Packages [09:36] darkelf? :) [09:36] well, it went in less than an hour ago :-) [09:36] yepp :-) [09:36] ok then [09:36] update again :) [09:36] ahh, oops. apt-catcher ;-) === blahrus [jplaoo@12-223-50-121.client.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC18F8.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:41] Nafallo: gnome part is in network-manager package? [09:41] ivoks: gnome part as in nm-applet yes. [09:42] ok === plugwash [plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:42] /usr/sbin/hald: unrecognized option `--drop-privileges' [09:43] hal not started... hm... === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.215.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:43] wfm [09:44] network-manager depends on bind9. [09:44] WHAT?! [09:44] ivoks: exactly... [09:44] why? [09:44] ivoks: caching dns :-P [09:44] on name service server? [09:44] ivoks: the damn thing doesn't find my internal domain :-P [09:45] :) [09:45] debian dependencies can be a bit ott sometimes [09:46] plugwash: this is ubuntu deps ;-) [09:46] afaict ubuntu is mainly an alternate release process for debian [09:48] oh? is network-manager in debian? [09:48] :) [09:48] and what about wifi-radar? :) [09:48] gnome 2.11?:) [09:49] :-) [09:49] 2.11.3 :-) [09:49] hm, hal doesn't start anymore [09:50] strange... [09:50] wfm @ amd64 ;-) [09:51] ogra, what did you do that logo in? [09:51] Burgundavia, i didnt.... [09:51] Burgundavia, canonical asked someone, i dont know him/her [09:51] ok [09:51] andyfitz maybe? [09:52] nope, i dont think so [09:52] ok, works now [09:52] killall -9 hald :) [09:53] anyboyd having menus not updating in Breezy? [09:53] ivoks, eeek [09:53] ivoks, dont do that [09:53] ivoks, sudo /etc/init.d/dbus-1 restart [09:53] ogra: yeah, that doesn't work :) [09:53] it stops [09:53] but hald is still runnning [09:53] ivoks, and hal is up to date ? [09:54] so, kill them all :) [09:54] ogra: it's breezy [09:54] ivoks, yes, here too.... all around me [09:54] ogra: i guess it didn't stop, so instance left haning [09:54] i stoped dbus and hal [09:54] ok, just a sanity check. I installed NM. it should now show up in the add to panel, no? [09:54] but that one left hanging... [09:54] kill fixed problem [09:55] ah, ok... i normally reboot after an upgrade for the new kernel [09:55] well, nm doesn't show me ant network :( [09:55] any [09:56] No network devices found === jdong [~jdong@d149-67-171-99.try.wideopenwest.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:59] guys, Breezy's Muine needs a build-dep on gnome-icon-theme [10:00] nvm, it says not to complain for two weeks [10:00] sorry :) [10:00] good catch [10:05] eh [10:05] why does it need that [10:05] it builds just fine without it [10:05] ./configure bombed out on my chroot asking for it [10:05] jdong: it did not in my pbuilder. [10:06] oops [10:06] you guys already have it in as a dep [10:06] disregard my stupidity :) [10:06] jdong: k :-) [10:07] I was forcing the build to continue because I though it was only bombing out on libdbus-1-cil, but there was gnome-icon-theme, too :) [10:07] <\sh> back from resting [10:08] jdong: that's why you should use pbuilder ;-) [10:08] \sh: n-m is in the archive ;-) [10:08] <\sh> n-m? [10:08] lol, that's why I should avoid -d... ;) [10:08] \sh: network-manager :-) [10:08] <\sh> Nafallo: ah yes, I saw it [10:09] \sh: hates me though :-P === Majlo [~mario@213.215.74.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hamilton [~hamilton@s230-242.resnet.ucla.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:09] <\sh> well, i have some pitfalls in upgrading from hoary to breezy [10:09] <\sh> 1. overriding the already existing /etc/network/interfaces without asking [10:10] <\sh> 2. not taking all packages for upgrading..guessnet e.g. was not upgraded :( [10:26] <\sh> riddell: ping === seth_k [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:35] \sh: yo [10:36] <\sh> Riddell: libqt3-mt-dev as suggests/recommends dep in kdevelop3, can't we make it as dependency? [10:38] <\sh> god bless me for dist-upgrading to breezy...now I see some really nasty package issues ;) === imightbegiant [~imightbeg@ilamp-in-417.TIS.CWRU.Edu] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [10:41] night all [10:41] <\sh> night herve [10:43] \sh: libqt3-mt-dev isn't a dependency, you might not be programming qt [10:44] <\sh> hmmm...correct... [10:44] <\sh> even if i'm not thinking about installing kdevelop for gtk programming ;) === seth_k [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0313.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@p5089CA48.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === goedson [~goedson@BHE040233.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0313.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:14] hmm, multisyncs evo2 plugin is b0rked [11:23] <\sh> anybody awake with upload rights to universe? === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:37] yay! [11:37] it's almost working :-P [11:40] <\sh> wow... [11:40] <\sh> the fonts are really nicer under breezy [11:41] <\sh> even the mix of gnome apps on kde === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC02AB.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lsuactiafner [~noirrac@tpc-ip-nas-1-p17.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu