=== robertj [~robertj@66-188-77-153.cpe.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [~hunger@p54A66842.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["...] [12:30] mdz: ping === azeem [~mbanck@proxy-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont__ [~lamont@15.238.5.130] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] what the heck is Colin Watson's irc nick? [12:51] Kamion === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] Slight problem understanding the .install files used by dh_install. [12:54] What is the root path they are copied from? === rcliii [~rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] Burgundavia: yo? [01:02] Kamion, someone on the forums, asking about OEM installer [01:02] wasabi_: root of the unpacked source package [01:02] so I mentioned to come and talk to you [01:02] Burgundavia: *shrug* will be ready when it's ready :) [01:02] indeed [01:02] Kamion, Hmm. I'm a bit confused why this used to work. [01:02] I thought I could just put usr/share/foo in the .install file. [01:03] Without preceeding it with debian/tmp [01:03] wasabi_: do you mean the left-hand side or the right-hand side of the line? [01:03] Left handed side. [01:03] Without a right handed side [01:03] wasabi_: you're using --autodest? [01:04] I am using cdbs. [01:04] or --sourcedir? [01:04] Doesn't look like that's being passed. [01:04] oh, who knows what that does === Kamion only does debhelper [01:04] Heh. [01:04] dh_install -peclipse-platform [01:04] cp: cannot stat `./usr/share/eclipse/eclipse.ini': No such file or directory [01:04] This is odd because I swear I've done this, with cdbs, before. [01:04] use DH_VERBOSE to see what it's doing === stub [~stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] perhaps you need to use --sourcedir if ./usr/share/eclipse/eclipse.ini doesn't exist relative to the root of the source package you're building in [01:07] coin [01:08] Heh. [01:08] It does a bunch of files. [01:08] But just doesn't do this one. This one is a symlink. [01:08] wasabi_: use .links then ? [01:09] Yeah. That just means part of the logic for creating the symlink is in rules and part isn't. [01:10] This thing always beats my ass. [01:13] Duck_busy, okay... how about this. I have removed all the complicated parts. I have only usr/share/eclipse/eclipse.ini listed in .install. [01:13] And it's saying not found. === Jerrac [~user@madcab3-130.crestviewcable.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] This has worked before without me having to tell it what the sourcedir is. [01:15] hum [01:15] was in debian/tmp/ but is now in debian// ? [01:15] I was told on the forums to talk to Kamion or mdz about my request. Are they here? [01:16] jhaltom@station-1:/dev/shm/eclipse/eclipse-3.1~RC2$ ls debian/tmp/usr/share/eclipse/eclipse.ini [01:16] debian/tmp/usr/share/eclipse/eclipse.ini [01:16] Jerrac: I'm here, but about to be dragged off to bed [01:16] ah, ok. maybe I can be quick then. [01:16] so if it's not a one-line-answer thing it'll probably have to wait :) [01:16] wasabi_: then using debian/tmp/usr/share/eclipse/eclipse.ini should strip debian/tmp and be ok [01:16] Here is my post: [01:16] I see that there is going to be an OEMInstaller: http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/OEMInstaller [01:16] I am working on a Ubuntu based computer to sell on ebay, the one thing I am having problems with is an easy way for the buyer to change the default username and password I have to put on with Hoary. [01:16] Is there a way I could use part of the current OEMInstaller to create a script that the buy could run when they first start the computer? As in they log in under the default username and then click the script to run it. [01:16] Thanks!! [01:16] Duck_busy, I have to put debian/tmp in .install? [01:17] See, I've just never had to do that before. [01:17] Jerrac: there isn't a "current OEMInstaller" [01:17] wasabi_: yes sir [01:17] I used ot be able to just plain list "usr/share/eclipse/eclipse.ini" [01:17] Is there some code I could use to do what I want? [01:17] wihtout a leading / [01:17] did u used .files instead of .install ? [01:17] NOpe. [01:17] Or do you have any other suggestions? [01:18] wasabi_: or dh_install --autodest ? [01:18] I've done this previously with cdbs [01:18] Jerrac: not really, if I were you I'd install without creating a user (you can do this by setting the root password instead) and run dpkg-reconfigure passwd afterwards [01:18] without touching the dh_install logic at all [01:18] wasabi_: why stop using cdbs ? [01:18] I am using cdbs. I haven't stopped. [01:18] Jerrac: but the work basically just hasn't been done yet, so you'll have to do a certain amount of stuff yourself [01:18] Actually I'm converting a non-cdbs package to cdbs [01:18] perhaps cdbs logic changed then [01:19] yah, i figured that. [01:19] but is am not aware of such changes [01:19] How do I bypass creating a user in the install? [01:19] Jerrac: like I say, set the root password [01:19] wasabi_: ask jbailey tomorrow about it [01:19] he will be able to tell you if anything changed [01:19] ok, thanks. I will try to figure that out. :D [01:20] he is cdbs main author [01:20] Jerrac: if you're working interactively, use expert mode and you'll see it [01:20] yeah [01:20] I'm looking at this package right here... java-common [01:20] Jerrac: otherwise, preseeding/kickstart can do it [01:20] In it's .install it lists etc/jvm [01:20] in it's rules it lists dh_install -i [01:20] ok, thanks! [01:20] and that's it [01:20] anyway, got to go ... [01:20] I will go work on it more. :D [01:20] Have a good evening! [01:21] ta [01:21] wasabi_: compat level is ? [01:21] oooh. ones doesn't have it listed. [01:22] the one that is broken is 4 [01:22] here it is [01:22] old behavior was .files compat stuff with like --sourcedir=debian/tmp i'm sure [01:22] ahh. [01:22] okay. that probably explains it. [01:24] wasabi_: try using : DEB_DH_INSTALL_ARGS := --sourcedir=debian/tmp [01:24] if you don't want to modify your .install files [01:24] I'll just put debian/tmp in front of everything [01:25] my install files need to copy from debian/extra also. [01:25] ok [01:27] whiprush: feh, feh, feh === dooglus [~dooglus@user-6858.l1.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] thom: hi :-) [01:28] Nafallo: you're welcome to, ensure that your dhcp server gives out the right details and you will [01:29] thom: it's way more complex than that I'm afraid ;-) [01:29] thom: my domain exists both outside and inside my network (with different ips assigned) [01:30] thom: I want to use the internal dns when I'm at home and whatever dns I get when I'm away. [01:30] Nafallo: so? if your dhcp server gives out the correct nameservers, then NM will configure bind9 to use them [01:30] thom: this new setup breaks that :-/ === jgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] Nafallo: i don't see how, at all [01:30] good night folks [01:31] man, mdz's got his joeyh-game-face on for ubuntu uploads [01:31] Nafallo: all bind9 is being used for by NM is as a caching nameserver that it can reconfigure based on the instructions it recieves from dhcp === Duck_busy is now known as Duck_dodo [01:31] oh darn dh_install can't rename [01:31] yes, it totally sucks that it has to be bind9; there're moves afoot to fix that. but that's not the issue here [01:33] thom: hmm, and the instruction is not the options domain-name-servers and domain-name? [01:33] Nafallo: if it's not working, you're probably seeing the result of 11905 [01:33] which i will fix in the morning === seth_k is away: out [01:34] thom: I've recompiled with that package as build-dep :-) [01:34] thom: ehm. let me check something ;-) [01:35] well, what does "grep forwarders /var/lib/NetworkManager/NetworkManager-named.conf" give you? [01:36] thom: right now I've screwed the config a bit. but that has indeed the correct forwarder :-) [01:37] and your /etc/resolv.conf has 127.0.0.1? [01:37] thom: yes [01:37] then i don't see what the problem is? i'll fix the two bugs whiprush reported in the morning [01:38] thom: before I didn't got the correct forwarder set, cause I couldn't find my own domain. [01:39] http://help-info.de/en/Help_Info_Longhorn/longhorn_help_pane.htm [01:39] "Ask Your Community" [01:39] can you say... launchpadIntegration? [01:40] thom: right now I'm happy you came online so that I can test it again :-) [01:40] thom: thanx for explaining :-) [01:42] np === Robinho_Peixoto [~robinho@200164022028.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Robinho_Peixoto [~robinho@200164022028.user.veloxzone.com.br] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:55] mdz: i'm not keen on bind9 being necessary; i'm going to chase down what changes are needed for lwresd to be suitable and work on them tomorrow === jlj [~agp@cm-80.111.99.032.chello.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [~mark@sabdfl.silver.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === rcliii [~rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin_ant [~marcin@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k is back. === superted [~superted@213.167.101.222] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] what does "CCDEPMODE = depmode=gcc3" mean in makefiles? im trying to build a package right now that seems to want gcc-3.4 and I have a feeling its because of the depmode [02:58] http://finaperf.com/annuaire/ [02:58] nice logo [02:59] http://finaperf.com/images/logo-finaperf.png [02:59] mako: circle of ripoffs [02:59] mako, did you see the msn one too? [02:59] dude, people mail me about the MSN one at least 4-5 times a week [02:59] oh sorry [02:59] ALL THE TIME === mdke buries himself in the ground [03:00] everybody else did too apparently :) [03:00] well, it's fine.. you don't read my email :) [03:00] that's what you think [03:00] i get trademarks@ubuntu.com [03:00] ah that explains it [03:00] so i see it all === Clint stops reading mako's email. [03:00] Clint: fine with me.. answer some of it will you [03:00] mako, one day i will apply to be a lawyer at Canonical ;) [03:01] mdke: then i get to forward to this stuff to you :) [03:01] *grins* [03:01] anyone have a link for the msn one? [03:01] better yet, my email will BE your email [03:01] Unfrgiven, hang on, it is on someone's blog [03:01] it's in mako's mailbox [03:01] i love the backports logo [03:01] reminds me of bizarro [03:01] jsgotangco: link? [03:02] Unfrgiven: it's msn-spaces [03:02] its basically the ubuntu logo in blue and the dots are inside [03:02] azeem: my inbox is a scary scary place [03:02] I can imagine [03:02] Unfrgiven, http://blog.carthik.net/vault/2005/04/14/msn-spaces-and-ubuntus-logo/ [03:02] mine already looks quite scary [03:02] whoops [03:03] Unfrgiven, sorry, follow the link to http://people.warp.es/~jorge/blog/?p=38 [03:03] woah! [03:04] heh [03:05] mdke, become Ubuntu's favorite Barrister [03:05] jsgotangco: the backports logo is pretty neat! [03:05] jsgotangco, what can i say, it would be my dream job [03:06] mako, so what is the answer to the msn-spaces trademark thing? i'm curious [03:06] Unfrgiven, yeah, totally Bizarro === _Legion_ [~adebarbar@labi.fi.uba.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dooglus [~dooglus@user-6858.l1.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMo_ [~slomo@p5487F53A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] mdke: the answer is we're not doing anything about it now [03:09] i've told mark and jane [03:09] and i guess we're sitting on it [03:09] we're registering the mark as many places as we can === mako shrugs [03:09] hmm [03:10] you also have copyright in it [03:10] we were there first [03:10] well, that's going to really impact any dilution suit [03:10] Barrister, please give your pro bono opinion [03:10] heh [03:10] i'm not great on copyright [03:10] personally, i'm happy with MSN using their little pudgy friends thing [03:10] that's why I'm interested === mdke nods [03:11] what i'm worried about is that they will sue *us* just as a way to hurt us [03:11] mako, well if they do you can respond [03:11] ultimately, it's up to mark and/or his lawyers [03:11] if they think we're safe, great [03:11] i suspect it's a "how long is this string" sort of thing [03:11] jsgotangco, its basically a question of whether they WANT to do anything about it, its pretty clear that they can do if they want [03:11] we'll be able to find folks on either things === mdke nods [03:12] i mean, MS can sue for stupid things with or without the logo [03:12] are mark's lawyers SA based? [03:12] some of them (e.g., patents, etc) probably more promising than this :) [03:12] i have no idea [03:12] mark doesn't talk about his lawyers very much :) [03:12] LOL [03:13] i mean, even in situations where i think he would, he doesn't [03:13] like, his bankers.. sure.. lawyers not so much [03:13] interesting [03:13] we're not a popular race [03:14] i have a disproportionately large number of friends among your ilk [03:14] yeah i am not surprised [03:14] i've read your blog [03:14] at least one of them is trying to recruit me [03:14] mdke: you should read it daily [03:14] tseng, alright [03:14] heh, he stopped updating it [03:15] but its always great [03:15] tseng: no way dude.. 1 week break [03:15] i'm recouping my strength [03:15] i posted yesterday [03:15] ill await your triumphant return to the blogosphere [03:15] oh man.. it's gotta be good [03:15] *grins* [03:15] pressure! [03:16] i need to invent a game [03:17] night all [03:17] cya [03:17] oh man.. i thought of a good one [03:17] i want to hear that [03:18] mako: my recent favorite was about eating pennies [03:18] not really a game.. but sort of [03:18] i am going to write poetry using only the names of packages [03:18] this will be great [03:18] oh no [03:18] this reminds me so much of magnetic poetry [03:19] jsgotangco: i'm pretty good at magnetic poetry [03:19] "synergistic action" [03:19] "we come" [03:19] that was long [03:19] it was an epic [03:19] move over homer [03:19] hah [03:32] there are a lot of packages [03:32] i'm still at b [03:33] hmm probably around 17,000 [03:33] mako: you should write a poem using each of them exactly once === daniels blinks at findutils. [03:33] except the ones containing the letter 'e' [03:33] go beat dr. seuss [03:33] mdz: well, i'm going to have it make sense.. so i'm using the ones that are or could be read as real words out of context [03:35] you *have* to use apt [03:35] jdub: i'm gonna to do better [03:35] it's just a good real word [03:35] jdub: BETTER.. you'll see [03:35] i'm going to write several [03:35] mako: apt-cache dumpavail | grep-dctrl -nsPackage '' | sort | comm -12 /usr/share/dict/words [03:36] i'm going to write one in honor of sarge [03:36] mdz: nah.. i'm not *just* using the real words [03:36] are you going to ignore numbers in names? [03:36] mdz: i'm also using ones that *could* be read as real words [03:36] like apoo [03:36] "that software is totally apoo" [03:37] how about emacs [03:37] or gpg [03:37] heh [03:37] nope [03:37] probably not [03:37] dude, there are a lot of words to choose from [03:37] mako: zenity :) [03:37] the zenity of it all.... [03:37] mdz: i will do that to make sure i didn't miss any [03:39] jdub: what's wrong with apt? [03:39] hmm.. cccc, maintained by Kamion [03:39] mako: ah, right, you can use some of them phonetically [03:39] the enthusiastic spaniard said "cccc" [03:39] or compound words [03:39] exactly [03:39] mdz: i was praising it as an excellent word [03:40] jdub: oh, I misinterpreted you [03:40] oh, howa bout "cduce" [03:40] mako: so you couldn't use 'man', for instance? [03:40] as in, "cduce me" [03:40] sounds like an sms acronym heh [03:41] jdub: no, i'm using both real words and sound-alikes [03:41] i will probaly use man [03:41] man isn't a package though [03:41] 'an' 'and' [03:41] "cduce me, it feels so apoo" [03:41] ah, you're correct [03:41] damnit [03:41] so, no, i won't [03:41] aha [03:42] it is rad that 'the' exists [03:42] so you could say package names and 1 or 2 letter words [03:42] i'm happy about that [03:42] as does wtf [03:42] tseng: haha! [03:42] dude, cheesetracker!? [03:42] $ apt-cache show bbq [03:42] W: Unable to locate package bbq [03:42] E: No packages found [03:42] cock! [03:42] CHEESETRACKER?? [03:42] oh man [03:42] totally NOT a cheesetracker [03:43] $ apt-cache show cock [03:43] whiprush: Unable to locate package cock [03:43] elmo: No packages found [03:43] buh ironwolf you suck ass [03:43] irssi! [03:43] there are 660 package names which are also in dict/web2 [03:43] gosh stupid thing. [03:43] that is a pretty big vocabulary by itself [03:43] mdz: awesome [03:43] ironwolf: sorry :( [03:43] mdz: yes, it is [03:43] mdz: hrm, so that doesn't catch packages that are multiple real words with or without a hyphen. hmm. [03:43] mdz: how did you get that list? [03:43] mako: amphetamine [03:44] mdz: have it [03:44] mako: apt-cache pkgnames |sort | comm -12 /usr/share/dict/words [03:44] mako: will you let yourself pluralise if it's just a matter of adding 's'? [03:44] oh, i already did that [03:44] mako: apt-cache pkgnames |sort | comm -12 /usr/share/dict/words - [03:45] there is a distinct lack of adjectives, though [03:45] predominantly nouns [03:45] how is apt-proxy2 going? [03:46] hrm, ww [03:46] the august zebra thrust straw at the zoo === mako giggles [03:46] *snicker* [03:46] i'm going to write three [03:46] one about sarge, one about politics and one about sex [03:46] in haiku form? [03:46] no [03:46] :'-( [03:47] i MAY try to make the sarge one a limerick [03:47] (!!!) [03:47] mako: august has gotta be a sarge word ;) [03:47] jdub: ok [03:47] LIMERICK DUDE [03:47] THATS LIKE FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE [03:47] is there a Free rhyming dictionary? [03:47] i have one on my shelf [03:47] but i can't grep it [03:48] jdub: not that i've found [03:48] the bamboo beast felt evolution outguess muscle === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:48] ha ha [03:48] jeezz [03:49] watch out for hte bambee beast [03:49] mako: I don't know where you got this idea, but I hope there was whiskey involved [03:49] i am also not going to repeat words [03:49] mako: 'the'? :) [03:49] $ apt-cache show rules [03:49] W: Unable to locate package rules [03:49] d'oh [03:50] mako: your limerick claim sounds like a challenge [03:50] rocks! [03:50] haha [03:50] Description: Make network sockets reliable in a transparent way [03:50] mdz: dude, let me get mine out the door [03:50] i'm still on 'c' [03:50] oh, interesting, web2 doesn't have plurals in it [03:51] wow, rocks looks interesting [03:51] hahah [03:51] jdub: it DOES have 'coq' [03:51] COQ [03:51] haha! === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:51] and coq-doc [03:51] just in case you needed instruction on proper care of your coq [03:52] exactly [03:52] my potty poem involves: cpp! apoo! [03:53] heh [03:53] tseng: "first, remove extraneous packaging" ;) [03:54] we should have packages named after all of the words in Jabberwocky [03:54] the next time I don't know what to name something, I will choose one of those [03:54] we already have bandersnatch [03:54] s/don't know what/need/ [03:54] jdub: those are equivalent [03:54] heh [03:54] I _never_ know what to name programs [03:55] casper was inspired [03:55] although it wasn't actually inspired [03:55] I lost like a week of work on that one [03:55] LTSP wouldn't even be started yet if it hadn't already had a name [03:56] is express remotely close to CD testing? [03:56] ltsp puts release-early-release-often into full effect [03:56] jdub: hmm? [03:56] i actually wrote a section of a howto on how to name packagesonce [03:56] mdz: ubuntu express, live installer [03:57] jdub: oh, "is ubuntu-express ready for people to test it" [03:57] yeah [03:57] jdub: I read that as "is ubuntu-express a good test of a CD" :-) [03:57] wow, traffic to archive blows from here atm [03:57] mdz: ah, heh, d'oh ;) [03:57] jdub: it doesn't install the boot loader [03:57] but is otherwise functional, if raw [03:57] nice [03:58] we could write a poem about six month release cycles [03:58] to catch the ubuntu-express! [03:58] it would be nice if, when one logs out of GNOME, if all of the processes in one's session exited [03:58] haha [03:58] I did not anticipate the train metaphors when I came up with that name [03:58] the press will be all over it [03:58]