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mdkejsgotangco, PM01:32
jgotangcoyes01:32
jsgotangcowhy do i have the feeling this release is going to be terribly chaotic on our side01:46
Burgundaviaof course not01:47
jsgotangcoi like to panic01:48
jsgotangco(must be because of the tea i drank this morning)01:48
Burgundaviayes01:49
Burgundaviadon't panic01:49
mdkejsgotangco, you need to chill man!01:49
mdkethe discussion is going well IMO01:49
jsgotangcoyep01:49
jsgotangcohehe01:49
jsgotangcoyou know me01:49
mdkeyou'll have to take some sedatives if you're gonna be our secretary ;)01:50
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jsgotangcoi look panicky in irc, but im so composed personally01:50
jsgotangco(at least the yelp frontpage issue has been recognized)01:50
mdkeis anyone else thinking froud is back on the team?01:53
jsgotangcohe'll say that after the meeting01:53
mdkeits not a question of saying it tho01:54
mdkehe just obviously is01:54
jsgotangcohe emailed me on thinking of his decision after this meeting01:54
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jsgotangcohah02:12
gtayloryay, they set me up on svn02:17
jsgotangcooh cool02:17
judaxyeah, me too02:17
jsgotangcothat's great guys welcome aboard02:17
jsgotangco*whew*02:17
judax:)02:17
gtaylorthanks, this will make it a lot easier to contribute02:17
mdkegood old elmo02:18
jsgotangcodefinitely02:18
mdkelook forward to you spamming the commit list from now on gtaylor 02:18
mdkeand judax 02:18
jsgotangcoyay02:18
gtaylorthe assailment will begin tomorrow :)02:18
jsgotangcoi can now mess up other stuff02:18
jsgotangcoguys, feel free to change the screenshots02:18
jsgotangcomy kubuntu box is so messed up02:18
judaxhah02:19
gtayloryou should see my laptop :) the entire desktop is backwards02:19
jsgotangcoconsistency is the key like i said before02:19
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mdke?02:22
jsgotangcoheh02:22
jsgotangcoCHILL02:22
jsgotangcoGOOSFRABA02:22
mdkeyep02:22
gtaylorI haven't heard anyone else say that before :)02:22
mdkei'm cool02:22
jsgotangcowhat02:22
jsgotangcogoosfraba?02:23
jsgotangcoheh02:23
gtaylorgoosfraba02:23
gtaylorI heard it like once02:23
jsgotangcoi was watching anger management last night02:23
jsgotangcoon dvd02:23
gtaylorahh, ok02:23
gtaylorgotcha02:23
mdkeits just that you guys go off topic and and don't come back ;)02:23
judaxwhat is goosfraba?02:23
gtaylorhelps you relax :)02:23
jsgotangcogoosfraba...02:23
gtaylorsay it02:23
gtaylorgooooosfraba02:23
jsgotangcoyeeess...02:23
mptyyyyyyyakkaboo02:23
gtaylorblah02:23
jsgotangcoi still remember the porn girls in that movie02:24
judaxhehe02:24
gtaylorspeaking of which, time to call my woman02:24
=== gtaylor ducks
mdkeok02:24
jsgotangcojudax, gtaylor glad that you're in the ship02:24
mdkeremind me to get plenty of sleep before the next docteam meetings02:24
jsgotangcoi really appreciate the patches02:24
judaxjsgotangco: glad to be here02:24
mdkeyeah GREAT WORK judax and gtaylor 02:24
gtaylorjsgotangco: No problem, I look forward to helping more02:24
jsgotangcoi wll wreak havoc in edubuntu now02:25
gtaylorSounds like fun02:25
jsgotangcoyeah its way different to what we currently do02:25
mdkeright dudes I will write up minutes tomorrow02:26
jsgotangcoeven the documentation for it would be crack02:26
mdkeunless anyone else has a burning desire02:26
judaxmdke: sleep well02:26
jsgotangcomdke, if you want, i'll do it for you02:26
jsgotangcomdke, besides i called the meeting02:26
jsgotangcomdke, i appreciate you pitching in, i was late my fault02:26
mdkenot at all02:26
jsgotangcoi slept around 1:30AM02:26
mdkei fancy myself in that sort of role02:26
mdkeits the lawyer in me02:26
jsgotangcoahh yes, my favorite barrister02:27
mptI stayed up till about 5am writing HelpfulHelp02:27
mdke:p02:27
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mdkempt, sweet dreams, thanks for showing up man02:27
=== mpt dreams of free-as-in-beer access to acm.org research on online help
=== mdke dreams of some beer
jsgotangcoi will look into logs later02:28
jsgotangcoi will also announce the new committers on list02:28
judax* 02:28
mdkejsgotangco, np I am quite happy to do it, got some time tomorrow and this weekend02:28
judaxopps02:28
jsgotangco(also outside)02:28
jsgotangcomdke, ok toss a coin who will do it then02:28
jsgotangcoi'll announce thenew committers for now02:28
judaxdrinking beer is much better than dreaming about it02:28
mpthttp://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307925 <-- now that's fast bug-fixing02:29
mdkeif you want to do it, i don't mind02:29
mdkei had a bug closed in 9 minutes in bz.g.o :(02:29
jsgotangcomdke, if you don't see a summary before lunchtime in your side, do it02:29
jsgotangcoi will review the logs in an hour02:30
mdkejsgotangco, i will see if I can catch you when I wake up ;)02:30
mdkethanks02:30
mdkejsgotangco, email sabdfl about that secretary business02:30
jsgotangcook02:30
mdkeyou'll have to give up tea tho02:30
jsgotangcono way02:30
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jsgotangcohi froud you should sleep02:31
jdubmpt: search acm for jane silber :)02:33
jdubmpt: actually 'jane silber help' :)02:33
froudyeah02:34
jsgotangcowow nice search results02:35
mdkeman I need my laptop back02:41
mdkewebmail is just the worst02:41
judaxyeah webmail is no good, I suck my gmail down POP02:42
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mdkei'm just waiting for my laptop to come home to pappa02:42
judaxdid it break?02:42
mdkenot really02:43
mdkethey repaired it, and forgot to put the clip back on where the power cord goes in02:43
mdkeso I had to send it back AGAIN02:43
judaxah, that is not good02:43
jsgotangcoheh02:44
mdkesupport for my laptop has been going downhill tho02:44
jsgotangcoi download my emails for pop too02:44
mdkesince kernel 2.6.7 2 massive issues have cropped up with acpi02:44
jsgotangcomdke, ask for one :)02:44
judaxyeah, that is awesome that gmail does that02:44
mdkejsgotangco, you know I did :)02:44
mdkebut dunno if i'll get one02:45
judaxpower has always been an issue02:45
jsgotangcoi wish yahoo would do it too02:45
jsgotangcoi have massive yahoo emails02:45
mdkejsgotangco, i noticed that yahoo.it and yahoo.uk does it02:45
mdkejust yahoo.com doesn't02:45
jsgotangcohmm02:45
jsgotangcomaybe i should get a yahoo.uk02:45
judaxthey do it02:45
mdkeor tl02:45
judaxyou just have to pay for it02:45
mdke*grins*02:45
mdkeyeah but .it and .uk do it for free02:45
jsgotangcoim a sucker for freebies02:45
judaxah, in us they charge for it02:46
judaxs/us/US02:46
mdkejsgotangco, i read in -devel that mjg has decided on the laptop list02:46
jsgotangcowhoa he did02:46
mdke[20:44:42]  mjg59 We have a list of people, I just need to get in touch with them02:46
jsgotangcowe'll see :-)02:47
mdkeyep02:47
jsgotangcoif it comes, it comes02:47
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mdkein any case I wanna get these acpi issues fixed with my current one02:47
mdkebecause they suck ass02:47
jsgotangcowhat are you using?02:48
judaxwhat kind of laptop02:48
mdkecompaq presario 210002:48
jsgotangcoim just using a no name taiwan unit02:48
jsgotangcoouch02:48
jsgotangcocompaqs suck02:48
mdkehey02:48
mdkedon't slag off my baby02:48
jsgotangcosure they do02:48
jsgotangcothe HP ones are way better02:48
mdkeno issue with mine02:48
mdkeexcept the linux bugs02:48
jsgotangcoalthough i did see jbailey using an old compaq02:49
jsgotangco(the new compaqs are huge though)02:49
judaxmdke: http://www.artifex.org/~dulles/compaq2100/02:49
judaxhave not read it, but it talks about acpi02:49
mdkejudax, yeah i've seen lots of pages like that02:49
judaxok02:50
mdkejust that the bugs have been introduced fairly recently02:50
mdkelike since 2.6.8 for one, and 2.6.10 for the other02:50
mdkewarty runs like a dream02:50
judaxjust won't sleep or suspend or hibernate?02:51
mdkejudax, i might email that guy to ask if he has similar issues actually :)02:51
mdkeno battery status, and no screen brightness changes when AC power is toggled02:52
mdkeit won't suspend to ram or disk either, but thats no biggie for me02:52
judaxyeah, suspend and sleep and all that never bothered me, but the brightness would be a show-stopper02:53
mdkeits irritating02:53
mdkei can't change it at all since 2.6.1002:53
jsgotangcohehe02:53
jsgotangcoits like a brick then02:53
jsgotangcoits no better than the no name desknotes here02:53
mdkebattery status is of course a massive issue02:53
mdkejsgotangco, the issues are not with the lappy but with the kernel02:54
judaxyeah02:54
jsgotangcowe actually have laptop style machines here with no batteries02:54
jsgotangcoahhh02:54
mdkewindows works fine02:54
jsgotangcowell02:54
mdkein fact I thought they were hardware issues until I tried windows02:54
judaxhehe, doesn't it always02:54
jsgotangcowindows aint that bad02:54
jsgotangco(if configured properly)02:54
mdkei hate it02:55
judaxI keep windows around for my gaming02:55
jsgotangcoi keep my xbox for that02:55
jsgotangcoi just spent a fortune last month for a PSP02:55
mdkebut i set it up and install some free apps and such and its just about bearable02:55
judaxI love MMOs, to the point that I can hardly play anything else, it is a sickness02:55
jsgotangcojudax, you play WoW?02:55
judaxyeah, I got one of those too, they are fun02:55
judaxI love it02:56
judaxjsgotangco: yes02:56
jsgotangcojudax, you can buy PSP porn over here02:56
mdkedamn you all and your gadgets02:56
jsgotangcoheh02:56
mdkeare they expensive?02:56
judaxjsgotangco: I have been reading that on slash and engadget02:56
jsgotangcoPSP is quite expensive02:56
mdkeI occasionally think about a gaming console02:56
jsgotangcoi just do pocket gaming now02:57
jsgotangcoi even use an N-Gage02:57
jsgotangcohideous for a phone though02:57
mdkeman02:57
mdkewhere do you get these wonderful toys02:57
jsgotangcomdke, asia in general is a grey market02:58
mdkei will visit02:58
jsgotangcowhat's legal and what's not is actually not an issue02:58
judaxI have an N-Gage too, never liked it much02:58
judaxthe new version looks better, but the borked the first one02:59
jsgotangcoso don't be surprised if i have 1,000+ DVDs and game discs at home02:59
jsgotangcojudax, i hate the new version, it doesnt have mp3 support but the media loading is nice02:59
judaxhaving to remove the battery compartment to change games *GRR*02:59
jsgotangcothe first version sucks so bad with the media slot02:59
jsgotangcoyeah02:59
judaxthen they never delivered on any network games right off03:00
judax'corse PSP is lacking there too03:00
jsgotangcoyeah03:00
jsgotangcoi bought my daughter a DS for her birthday, i like it more than our PSP03:01
judaxjsgotangco: you like the PSP screen?03:01
jsgotangconot really03:01
judaxDS is funner than you would think, touch screen can do alot03:01
judaxjsgotangco: I mean the picture quality, I dont like the fingerprints all over the place03:02
jsgotangcosame here03:02
jsgotangcomine even had 3 dead pixels when it shipped03:02
judaxah, that sucks03:02
judaxI got lucky, but I have read alot about dead pixels03:03
jsgotangcoyeah what sucks is that you can't return it if its less than 5 dead pixels03:03
judaxSony has never been a support-centric company03:04
judaxjsgotangco: you play WoW?03:05
jsgotangcorarely now03:05
jsgotangcoi switched to guild wars03:05
judaxyeah, I have that too, it is fun, but been taking a break from all games for a couple weeks, been busy03:05
jsgotangcowe're more spoiled with Korean MMOs though03:06
jsgotangcotheyre so incredibly cheap here03:07
judaxhow much?03:07
jsgotangco$2 to $3 on the average per month03:07
judaxbah03:07
judaxhehe03:07
judaxamerican arm of ncsoft is here in austin03:08
judaxlots of game devel here03:08
jsgotangcoyeah but ncsoft is pretty big03:08
judaxyes it is03:09
jsgotangco(and pretty expensive)03:09
mdkeok nearly bed time03:09
jsgotangcothere's gravity and hanbitsoft03:09
jsgotangcoequally good03:09
judaxmdke: night, take care03:09
judaxare those korean?03:10
jsgotangcoyeah03:10
jsgotangcoRagnarok was done by Gravity03:10
judaxah, I know that one03:10
jsgotangcoyeah the game is so hideous for some, but it has a huge following all over asia03:11
judaxsony and blizzard don't hold a candle to the korean subscription numbers03:11
jsgotangcoits so much bigger than FF XI03:11
judaxragnarok is?03:12
jsgotangcoi did a temp job in Mu Online back then when they were setting up here03:12
judaxbet that was fun03:12
jsgotangcothe beta tests lasted months03:13
jsgotangcoheh03:13
jsgotangcoi was literally unproductive back then03:13
judaxI feel that way quite a bit03:13
jsgotangcoit really messed up my social life03:13
jsgotangcoi was into 3 closed beta tests at the same time03:14
judaxI used to play EQ like an madman, my wife was not happy, I am better with WoW03:14
judaxbut I got on spurts03:14
jsgotangcosame here my wife complained a lot when i was into the closed beta tests of Tantra03:14
judaxknow the feeling03:15
mdketantra?03:15
mdkei thought your wife should approve of that03:15
judaxthis a Sting thing?03:15
jsgotangcohah03:15
jsgotangcomdke, Tantra is a game, not Tantric sex03:16
jsgotangcolet me rephrase the title, its Tantra Online03:16
mdkenight03:17
jsgotangconight03:17
judaxmdke: night03:18
jsgotangcothere's also this very bad game called Khan03:18
judaxwhy is it bad?03:18
jsgotangcokorean games are just about leveling up03:19
judaxbad = time03:19
judaxthe grind03:20
jsgotangcoyeah03:20
jsgotangcolevel grind03:20
jsgotangcoi have no idea why the kids here dig it so much03:20
jsgotangcoi haven't been plyaing them korean games for a while03:20
jsgotangcoguild wars is quite refreshing03:20
judaxguild wars is fun03:20
judaxand FREE03:20
judaxI have never been a PvP maniac, but they (guild wars) doing things right03:21
jsgotangcowell not really FREE, but cheaper in the long run03:21
judaxtrue03:21
jsgotangcoi really like the aesthetics of it as well03:22
jsgotangcovery nice use of anti-aliasing03:22
judaxthe graphics are beautiful03:22
jsgotangcoyeah the score is great too03:22
judaxplayer models are the best of any game I thin03:22
judaxerr think03:22
jsgotangcoi used to fanboy a lot on game music then03:22
jsgotangcoi got a pretty good collection03:23
judaxcool03:23
jsgotangcojudax, 03:25
jsgotangcoabout your email03:25
judaxyes03:25
jsgotangcoare you familiar with subversion03:25
jsgotangcoor would rather use a gui way03:25
jsgotangcoa gui way would  be more productive if you're just committing03:25
judaxcommand line is fine, matters not, I am more familar with cvs03:25
judaxgui is fine too, whatever is easier03:26
jsgotangcobecause as far as procedures with committing in our svn, there is none03:26
judaxok03:26
jsgotangcowe grab what interests us03:26
jsgotangco(we should make it detailed in the future though)03:26
jsgotangcoi use a gui called esvn03:27
judaxok03:27
jsgotangcoyou can do your command line svn on that as well so there's nothing to be missed03:27
jsgotangcoit just makes things easier03:27
judaxsounds good03:27
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mdkeCOMMAND LINE IS EASIER!03:27
judaxmdke: haha03:27
jsgotangcowhatever works for you03:28
jsgotangcoi prefer to see the general overview of trunk03:28
jsgotangcoheh03:28
judaxdo you have an electrode connected to irc notifications?03:28
mdkei remembered I wanted to write a todo list for tomorrow03:28
jsgotangcojudax, in case you didn't know, all commits are sent to ubuntu-doc-commits list03:28
judax229 bst03:29
jsgotangcofor notification03:29
judaxok, that is good to know03:29
jsgotangcoits best to fill up global.ent for now instead of deleting entries03:29
mdkeon no account delete entries in global.ent unless you've grepped the whole repository for them03:30
mdke;)03:30
jsgotangcoyes03:30
judaxok03:30
mdkeotherwise links break03:30
jsgotangcoall docs will break03:30
jsgotangcoone way or another03:30
jsgotangcomdke, 03:31
jsgotangcoa question03:31
mdkey003:31
jsgotangcowhere do we put inactive contributors in current books?03:32
jsgotangcowe still have to acknoledge them for some parts of the book came from them03:32
mdkemy advice is to keep em in for now03:33
mdkewhat do you think?03:33
jsgotangcoprobably "past contributors"03:34
jsgotangcohmm03:34
jsgotangcowell they do come in here once in a while03:34
jsgotangcoyou never know when they'll come back03:34
mdkeyes03:35
jsgotangcohornbeck for example is writing a dead tree book03:35
mdkeanyhow they have written parts of the docs03:35
mdkeso they are contributors03:35
jsgotangcotrue03:35
jsgotangcoi think froud once thought about this as well03:35
jsgotangcohow to categorize such03:35
mdkeyep03:35
judaxlooking at http://esvn.umputun.com/03:35
mdkei don't really think its a big issue tbh03:35
jsgotangcowell i was just thinking of classifying who did most work per release instead of listing them all at once03:36
mdkei think that is unnecessarily heirarchical03:36
mdkewe are a team03:36
mdkethe work is communal03:37
jsgotangcowell yeah03:37
jsgotangcoim just hungry03:38
mdkefor what?03:38
jsgotangcoa meatbun would be good03:38
mdkeah03:38
jsgotangcoi was in this hongkong style dimsum hawker stand lsat night03:38
mdke-> bed03:38
jsgotangcoi zoned out for a while03:38
mdkeno offence03:38
jsgotangconp03:38
jsgotangcoheh03:38
mdkebut i'm absolutely knackered03:38
jsgotangcoit just sucks that my timzeone, most of the channels are quiet03:39
mdkehey you've got au and us right now03:39
judaxwhat time in Manila?03:39
jsgotangcoyes but the eu guys are better chatters IMO03:39
mdkevery true03:40
mdke:)03:40
mdkenight03:40
jsgotangcono offense meant to the US guys03:40
mdkeAGAIN!03:40
jsgotangcohehe03:40
jsgotangcoi used to live in chicago03:40
judaxhehe03:40
jsgotangcojudax, its 9:40AM03:40
judaxah03:40
judaxyou got up early03:41
jsgotangcoway too early03:41
judax842PM here, chicago time03:42
jsgotangcoare you in chicago?03:42
judaxyesterday03:42
jsgotangcoahh03:42
judaxno Austin, TX03:42
judaxsame timezone03:43
jsgotangcomy folks are actually naturalized citizens for decades but since i have a family here, i decided to stay herefor a while till my daughter grows up a bit03:43
judaxgood friend of mine spends alot of time in manila and ...03:44
jsgotangcoand?03:45
judaxoh hell, my brain is taking a vacation03:45
judaxworks for General Electirc03:45
jsgotangcoohhh03:46
jsgotangcoGE is quite big here03:46
jsgotangcoPower sector03:46
judaxI thought he was doing something with water delivery, but I could be wrong03:46
jsgotangcohmm03:46
jsgotangcoprobably dam projects03:46
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judaxIndonesia03:48
judaxthat was the ...and...03:48
judaxwhere, after your daughter grows up a bit?03:50
jsgotangcoprobably back in chicago where i spent my HS years but i've been thinking of moving somewhere else03:51
jsgotangcowe've been thinking of Toronto or vancouver03:51
judaxI like Chicago, never been to Toronto or Vancouver, but heard they are beautiful03:52
jsgotangcoi've been to Toronto its quite lively03:52
jsgotangcoi can actually live anywhere, but my wife prefers an urbanized area03:52
judaxToronto and Vancouver are on either sides of the map, hehe03:52
jsgotangcoheh yeah03:53
=== robitaille thinks Vancouver and Victoria are a lot nicer than Toronto...best climate in Canada
jsgotangcoive been hearing good things about Victoria03:53
jsgotangcoi can live in the northern territory if its possible03:53
judaxfriend of mine lives 3 hrs north of Edmonton03:53
judaxI actually long for cold weather here in Austin, not from here03:54
judaxesvn installed03:59
judaxah, I see froud has done a bunch of the docs for esvn, coo04:14
judaxerr cool04:14
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jsgotangcojudax, most of them are untouched lately though05:10
jsgotangcoprobably from the last merging from branch05:10
judaxjsgotangco: hey05:13
judaxusing esvn, looking at /ubuntu-doc but when I drill down into the directories, say /utuntu-doc/kde/kquickguide/C there is nothing there05:14
judaxcomplains about not finding the empty item05:14
judaxtop-level directories it sees things in like /ubuntu-doc/styleguide05:16
judaxsees the doc in there but no lower05:16
jsgotangcoif you select C, you'll see the document in the other pane05:23
judaxhmm, I got something messed up then05:27
judaxdo I need to define a workspace, or should I be able to see all the stuff just pulling from the existing working svn directory?05:29
robitailleIt's too bad I missed the meeting.  I wanted to show up, but it got crazy at work, and then I had to drive my kids somewhere.  I'll have to check the logs05:42
judaxhmm, it works now, after sitting a bit, I see all the doc, strange05:47
judaxoh well, good, now on to authentication05:47
jsgotangcorobitaille, it was interesting nonetheless but a lot of stuff needs to be resolved as well05:48
jsgotangcoa 22:00UTC meeting can be nasty to those in EU05:48
robitailleit was 3pm here in Victoria.  Which can be a good or a bad thing depending on the day.  Essentially the best times for me are usually between now and 8:00UTC05:49
robitaillei.e when  I'm not at work and  the kids are sleeping :)05:50
robitailleI still want to get more involves with this group in the semi-near future.  That's why I wanted to check the meeting.  Froud mentionned the system admin doc a while back, but I saw that this got shelved for Breezy05:51
jsgotangcorobitaille, it doesn't mean that it can't be worked out right now, it just means it won't be packaged05:52
robitailleI know.  Anyway I'm sure I'll find something to do once I have some time to sit down and check things out.05:53
jsgotangcorobitaille, the good news is that we have 2 new committer accounts done by elmo so it would lighten the load on other docs05:53
jsgotangcolike i can wreak havoc in edubuntu now05:54
jsgotangcoand even mess up with admin stuff for this team05:54
jdubrobitaille: you're canadian?07:18
robitaillejdub,  yes07:18
jdubi am an idiot :-)07:18
robitaille?07:18
jdubfor some reason, i totally assumed you were french07:18
robitailleI'm french-canadian.  My first language in french07:19
robitaillebut have lived/worked/stidies for 15 years in an english environment07:19
robitailles/stidies/studies07:19
jdubyeah07:19
robitaillejdub,  I thought managing the ubuntu-ca mailing list would have been a good hint that I was not from France :)07:22
jdubheh07:22
jdubdon't rub it in ;)07:22
robitailleout of curiosity, you must get so many admin e-mails for the ubuntu-users list for spam and e-mails from non-subscribers; it must get annoying; the ubuntu-ca gets its fair share and it is a small list.07:24
Burgundaviarofl07:26
Burgundaviajdub, robitaille and I live in the same city07:27
Burgundaviaquite ironic07:27
robitaillebut haven't manage to met yet.07:27
jdubrobitaille: we intend to run the mailman spamassassin plugin when the lists are shifted07:28
jdub(they're hosted on a pooey machine)07:29
robitaillewith jsgotangco talking of moving to Canada one day, maybe will attract him to Victoria, and this town will become quite an Ubuntu presence07:29
Burgundaviayes07:51
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robitailleCanadian greetings to froud  and jsgotangco 09:02
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jsgotangcohello09:06
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froudAfrican greetings09:17
froudjsgotangco: Congratulations on becoming secretary09:17
froudwell deserved09:17
froudyou have come a long way since joing the team, amazing :-)09:18
froudcan anyone tell me who the chief honcho is at baz09:19
frouddo they have a channel?09:20
robitaille#bazaar   maybe?09:24
jsgotangcome secretary?09:25
froudjsgotangco: yes, or was a reading wrong in the meeting09:25
robitailleI guess someone else has to read the irc logs of #ubuntu-meeting  besides me :)09:26
jsgotangcohmm i must have missed that09:26
froudwhy is that not what mark said?09:26
jsgotangcoit was after all 6am09:26
jsgotangcohmm ok09:26
froudwell you volunteered no09:26
froudrobitaille: am I right09:27
jsgotangcooh right09:27
robitailleI wasn't there...and I'm about to read the logs;  So I'll stay neutral in this "debate" :)09:27
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froudHmmm the bazaar and bzr are really wide awake (not)10:17
mdkemorning10:32
froudmorn10:32
jsgotangcomorning10:42
mdke[08:25:00]  jsgotangco me secretary?10:42
mdkehmm10:42
mdkehe was at the meeting right?10:42
jsgotangcohmm?10:42
jsgotangcoyeah10:42
jsgotangcohe was10:42
jsgotangcoheh10:42
mdke[08:26:33]  froud well you volunteered no10:43
mdkei thought you did10:43
jsgotangcoyes i did10:44
jsgotangcomdke, don't worrry about it10:46
mdkei won't10:48
mdkeam I doing the meeting minutes today?10:52
mdkejsgotangco?11:01
jsgotangcohey12:05
jsgotangcosorry12:05
jsgotangcoi was out12:05
mdkenp12:05
mdke:)12:05
jsgotangcomdke, can you do the minutes?12:05
mdkeyes12:05
jsgotangco(so sorry about this)12:05
mdkenot a problem12:05
jsgotangcoi was tracing some stuff that happened over here12:05
jsgotangcoone guy was hacking shit in the network12:06
mdkelay the smackdown12:06
jsgotangcoi didnt expect the word smackdown from an english guy12:07
mdke*grins*12:07
mdkeamerican culture is everywhere12:07
jsgotangcowould it be possible to ssh somewhere else in an existing ssh session?12:08
mdkeyeah12:08
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jsgotangcotheres this guy here at work12:08
mdkeyou can ssh into a machine and ssh back into the first machine if you like12:08
jsgotangcoyes12:09
mdkeyou can do ANYTHING12:09
jsgotangcono i was thinking this box got rooted12:09
mdkemwahhahaha12:09
jsgotangcothen he ssh'ed to a local machine12:09
jsgotangcothen ssh'ed again to another machine using the 2 rooted stuff12:09
jsgotangco(not this box)12:09
jsgotangcoanother one though12:09
jsgotangcoi am not surprised if that's what happened12:10
jsgotangcohe got stumped when he tried to get into the ubuntu box12:10
mdkeBe RiGhT bAcK12:10
jsgotangco(he got into a local user though, but it doesn't contain anything)12:11
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jsgotangcoi gotta go12:48
mdkeok12:48
mdkenight12:48
jsgotangcosecretary12:48
jsgotangcoheh12:48
jsgotangcomdke, ping?12:51
mdkeyep12:52
mdkejsgotangco, pong12:53
jsgotangcooh nvm i remember you were going to do the minutes12:53
jsgotangcowho's the new committer beside the 2?12:53
mdkejudax, gtaylor, mvirkkil, jjesse12:54
jsgotangcoahhh 4!12:54
jsgotangcocan you announce them as well?12:54
mdkealright12:54
jsgotangcothanks man, i'll make it with you real soon12:55
mdke:)12:55
mdkedon't be so sure12:55
jsgotangcowhat do you mean12:56
jsgotangco:)12:56
mdkej/k12:56
mdke"make it"12:57
jsgotangcoright, hack the source and make it happen12:58
jsgotangcoheh12:58
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jjessefroud is there a place to go to learn how to commit via svn now that i have a username and password?03:02
froudjjesse: what do you want to comit?03:03
jjessenothing now, but in the future03:03
froudok let say you have a file changed03:03
froudfoo.xml03:03
jjessenod 03:03
froudfor now just cd to that dir03:04
froudthen do svn commit foo.xml03:04
froudyou will be given chance to enter a message03:04
froudsave and exit03:04
froudand you will be prompted for username on first commit03:04
froudthe password is the same as your pgp key03:05
froudthe password you use for your key03:05
jjesseok03:05
froudnot  the key istelf03:05
jjesseunderstanding now03:05
froudtry a small test now03:05
jjessei've used cvs before and i always had to setup a CVSROOT before03:06
froudmake a small change in a file 03:06
jjessewhich is cumbersome03:06
froudyes, your user pass details are stored in the repos .svn03:06
froudonce you have done a commit you will not have give details again03:07
froudin baz you also have to set your id03:08
froudbaz my-id "Joe User <joe@example.com>"03:08
froudbut you do it just once, the email must just match thatused in the pgp key03:09
jjesse ok03:09
jjessequestion on the password03:10
froudso with baz, providing you use the same email and pgp key you should be able to to it once03:10
jjessei received a password from james troup do i use that password or my key password?03:10
froudyes03:10
froudthat user and pass is associated with your pgp key siginature on the server03:11
jjesseok succesfful committ03:11
froudit should correspond with the key on your system03:11
froudnice03:11
froudeasy03:11
froudsorry it took so long to get you that03:12
jjesseno worries i was slow on my end thank you very much for the help03:12
jjessenow i have to get back to work :(03:12
froudjust did not realize that you did not have commit03:12
froudcool03:12
jjesseoff topic did you hear about the bbc and the beethoven symphonies03:12
froudno :-)03:13
jjesseyeah they are releasing the full symphonies in .mp3 format03:14
jjessebut i missed downloading the first two :(03:14
froudhe he you like that stuff?03:15
jjesseits good music to work w/03:15
jjessedrowns out the crappy overhead music that is playing03:15
jjessei hate eleveator music03:15
froudah yes03:15
froudanything is better than that03:16
froudI like the orchestra live03:16
froudbut when I work it my be dead silent03:16
froudI mean a cricket can anoy me03:17
froud:-)03:17
froudthe telephone even gives me a fright when I get deep into something03:17
jjessei have to have sound03:17
jjessei hate subnetting03:32
froudwhy?03:32
jjessei'm not good at it03:33
froudit's not hard once you get the hang of it03:33
froudthank moses for subnetting03:33
froudwhat would we do without it03:33
jjessei know but i'm configuring my cisco pix and need to come up w/ the correct range of ip address to open up for a company to access a certain program remotely03:34
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judaxTexas-sized Greetings05:39
mdkemmm05:40
mdkei'd like a texas sized hamburger right now05:40
judaxyes, so would I, I am hungry!05:40
judaxmdke: quick question05:40
judaxreading the conversation froud and jjesse had earlier05:41
judaxso, the password elmo sent with the svn account is not the one to use?05:41
judaxshould use gpg key passphrase?05:41
mdkehere i am05:46
mdkeno don't let them confuse you ;)05:46
mdkeelmo should have sent you the password encrypted with your key05:46
mdkeyou can decrypt it and see the password05:46
mdkethats the one to use05:46
judaxok, thx, that was confusing me, elmo did just that05:50
mdkefor security purposes05:51
judaxunderstood05:51
mdke;)05:53
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mdkephillip cain around?06:17
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mdkehi JonA 06:24
JonAHi there :-)06:26
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mdkehi there philipacamaniac 06:41
mdkethanks for helping on the homepages thing06:41
philipacamaniacyeah, the wiki needs help, so i'm helping :)06:41
mdkestart from g if you wanna do more now, i'm just doing a bit06:42
philipacamaniacThanks. Speaking of help, should the old comments on pages be moved to /talk pages?06:42
mdkeyes in theory06:43
mdkebut I wouldn't make an organised initiative out of it06:43
mdkeprobably best to do it for the pages you care about ;)06:43
philipacamaniacnot yet anyway... perhaps because subpages currently reside in talk?06:43
mdkewell they can be put under a different heading06:44
philipacamaniacI just did the G's so you can take them out06:44
mdkekewl06:45
mdkedone06:45
mdketell you what06:45
mdkei'll start at the bottom from now on06:46
mdkethat way we won't clash ;)06:46
philipacamaniacthat'll work!06:46
mdkei wonder how many tabs firefox can handle06:46
philipacamaniacI've been wondering the same...06:47
mdkeblooming loads06:50
philipacamaniacoh crap, what to do about those messed up names? (ones with special characters?)06:58
philipacamaniacdoes the new wiki not accept special characters in wikinames?06:59
mdkeexample url?07:03
philipacamaniachttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikkoVirkkil_c3_a407:03
philipacamaniacMikkoVirkkil07:03
philipacamaniac"c3 a4" representing the ""07:04
mdkeguess not07:05
mdkei tried to rename it right now, it has gone to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikkoVirkkil%c3%a407:05
philipacamaniachmm, looking at how it is printed on a search page, it looks correct. so I guess it is just URLs07:06
mdkewe're discovering lots of things with this damn wiki transfer07:06
mdkeyeah looks like it works within the wiki, just the URL07:06
mdkeif you want to flag it up on that thread for henrik, go ahead tho07:06
mdkeyou on M already?07:06
mdkedamn fast07:06
philipacamaniacfirefox tabs are our friends07:06
mdkeyeah07:09
mdkei'm gonna take a break07:09
mdkearm is falling off07:09
philipacamaniac:)07:09
philipacamaniacwhat should I do about MarksHoaryGoals07:13
philipacamaniache has a separate homepage07:14
mdkecheck for backlinks07:14
mdkethen delete if it has none07:14
mdkehang on07:15
philipacamaniacyou don't think the info should be saved?07:15
mdkelets ask him07:15
mdkeactually it seems to be linked in his homepage07:17
philipacamaniacokay, missed that07:17
mdkedon't categorise it, just leave it07:17
philipacamaniacright07:17
mdkei guess the importer has put all subpages of UserPages on the /talk page too07:18
philipacamaniacoh boy, more fun!07:18
mdkesent a call to help on the list07:18
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HappyFooli hope this is the right place for this: the link "https://site-edit.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/folder_contents" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation is broken -- this is a bit frustrating, as the UserDocumentation page has been drastically shortened08:59
HappyFooland it's now difficult to find docs08:59
judaxthx for the link, I believe we have people working on some of these issues09:00
philipacamaniactry https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation?action=edit09:00
Kinnisonk09:00
Kinnisonw/w09:00
Kinnisonsorry09:00
philipacamaniacoh wait... sorry, I think I see what you mean09:01
HappyFooli'd edit it, but i don't know what to do ;)09:01
HappyFoolwell, where to point it09:01
philipacamaniachow about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex09:03
HappyFoollooks promising09:07
philipacamaniacif no one minds, I'll go ahead and fix the rest of the broken links on that page09:08
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makogtaylor: hey, you around?09:14
makomdke: ?09:14
makoSeveas: you too?09:14
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makoanywya.. there is a forums meeting in #ubuntu-meeting any or all of you should show up if you can09:15
makoi would apppreciate it09:15
squinnmako, i was just not-so-kindly asked to leave09:17
squinnbut it's alright09:18
squinnmako, take those lines out of the log..issue resolved..i'm too stupid to take a joke09:20
squinnHey, docteam-ers?09:22
gtaylormako: Yes?09:22
=== froud reading meeting
makosquinn: that was a joke dude09:23
mako:)09:24
squinnmako, we talked it out09:24
makocool09:24
squinnmako, i had to think about it09:24
squinnuntil i realized it made absolutely zero sense..and was invited back in09:24
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squinnAre the minutes from the meeting yesterday online yet?09:29
froudwhat caused the problems at the forums09:36
squinnfrom what i understand, it just seems like routine maintenance meeting09:38
froudno some problem09:39
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squinnOh, ok.09:44
gtaylorof course they're making little interjectory statements about docteam members, mdke you might want to hop in09:48
froudwhich members09:48
froudI see no comments09:48
squinnyeah, neither do i09:48
gtayloryou wouldn't, you weren't involved in the scuffle09:51
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gtaylorthere are like 8 moderators and 3 users there10:43
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froudwell chaps11:16
froudnight11:16
judaxfroud: night11:16
froudjudax: ;-)11:16

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