| === jeff-away is now known as jeffsch | ||
| === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| === jgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| === jgotangco curses bad dsl | ||
| mdke | jsgotangco, PM | 01:32 |
|---|---|---|
| jgotangco | yes | 01:32 |
| jsgotangco | why do i have the feeling this release is going to be terribly chaotic on our side | 01:46 |
| Burgundavia | of course not | 01:47 |
| jsgotangco | i like to panic | 01:48 |
| jsgotangco | (must be because of the tea i drank this morning) | 01:48 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 01:49 |
| Burgundavia | don't panic | 01:49 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, you need to chill man! | 01:49 |
| mdke | the discussion is going well IMO | 01:49 |
| jsgotangco | yep | 01:49 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 01:49 |
| jsgotangco | you know me | 01:49 |
| mdke | you'll have to take some sedatives if you're gonna be our secretary ;) | 01:50 |
| === mdke administers them to jsgotangco forcefully | ||
| jsgotangco | i look panicky in irc, but im so composed personally | 01:50 |
| jsgotangco | (at least the yelp frontpage issue has been recognized) | 01:50 |
| mdke | is anyone else thinking froud is back on the team? | 01:53 |
| jsgotangco | he'll say that after the meeting | 01:53 |
| mdke | its not a question of saying it tho | 01:54 |
| mdke | he just obviously is | 01:54 |
| jsgotangco | he emailed me on thinking of his decision after this meeting | 01:54 |
| === jeffsch is now known as jeff-away | ||
| jsgotangco | hah | 02:12 |
| gtaylor | yay, they set me up on svn | 02:17 |
| jsgotangco | oh cool | 02:17 |
| judax | yeah, me too | 02:17 |
| jsgotangco | that's great guys welcome aboard | 02:17 |
| jsgotangco | *whew* | 02:17 |
| judax | :) | 02:17 |
| gtaylor | thanks, this will make it a lot easier to contribute | 02:17 |
| mdke | good old elmo | 02:18 |
| jsgotangco | definitely | 02:18 |
| mdke | look forward to you spamming the commit list from now on gtaylor | 02:18 |
| mdke | and judax | 02:18 |
| jsgotangco | yay | 02:18 |
| gtaylor | the assailment will begin tomorrow :) | 02:18 |
| jsgotangco | i can now mess up other stuff | 02:18 |
| jsgotangco | guys, feel free to change the screenshots | 02:18 |
| jsgotangco | my kubuntu box is so messed up | 02:18 |
| judax | hah | 02:19 |
| gtaylor | you should see my laptop :) the entire desktop is backwards | 02:19 |
| jsgotangco | consistency is the key like i said before | 02:19 |
| === jsgotangco slaps mdke | ||
| mdke | ? | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | CHILL | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | GOOSFRABA | 02:22 |
| mdke | yep | 02:22 |
| gtaylor | I haven't heard anyone else say that before :) | 02:22 |
| mdke | i'm cool | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | what | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | goosfraba? | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 02:23 |
| gtaylor | goosfraba | 02:23 |
| gtaylor | I heard it like once | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | i was watching anger management last night | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | on dvd | 02:23 |
| gtaylor | ahh, ok | 02:23 |
| gtaylor | gotcha | 02:23 |
| mdke | its just that you guys go off topic and and don't come back ;) | 02:23 |
| judax | what is goosfraba? | 02:23 |
| gtaylor | helps you relax :) | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | goosfraba... | 02:23 |
| gtaylor | say it | 02:23 |
| gtaylor | gooooosfraba | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | yeeess... | 02:23 |
| mpt | yyyyyyyakkaboo | 02:23 |
| gtaylor | blah | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | i still remember the porn girls in that movie | 02:24 |
| judax | hehe | 02:24 |
| gtaylor | speaking of which, time to call my woman | 02:24 |
| === gtaylor ducks | ||
| mdke | ok | 02:24 |
| jsgotangco | judax, gtaylor glad that you're in the ship | 02:24 |
| mdke | remind me to get plenty of sleep before the next docteam meetings | 02:24 |
| jsgotangco | i really appreciate the patches | 02:24 |
| judax | jsgotangco: glad to be here | 02:24 |
| mdke | yeah GREAT WORK judax and gtaylor | 02:24 |
| gtaylor | jsgotangco: No problem, I look forward to helping more | 02:24 |
| jsgotangco | i wll wreak havoc in edubuntu now | 02:25 |
| gtaylor | Sounds like fun | 02:25 |
| jsgotangco | yeah its way different to what we currently do | 02:25 |
| mdke | right dudes I will write up minutes tomorrow | 02:26 |
| jsgotangco | even the documentation for it would be crack | 02:26 |
| mdke | unless anyone else has a burning desire | 02:26 |
| judax | mdke: sleep well | 02:26 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, if you want, i'll do it for you | 02:26 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, besides i called the meeting | 02:26 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, i appreciate you pitching in, i was late my fault | 02:26 |
| mdke | not at all | 02:26 |
| jsgotangco | i slept around 1:30AM | 02:26 |
| mdke | i fancy myself in that sort of role | 02:26 |
| mdke | its the lawyer in me | 02:26 |
| jsgotangco | ahh yes, my favorite barrister | 02:27 |
| mpt | I stayed up till about 5am writing HelpfulHelp | 02:27 |
| mdke | :p | 02:27 |
| === mpt goes back to sleep | ||
| mdke | mpt, sweet dreams, thanks for showing up man | 02:27 |
| === mpt dreams of free-as-in-beer access to acm.org research on online help | ||
| === mdke dreams of some beer | ||
| jsgotangco | i will look into logs later | 02:28 |
| jsgotangco | i will also announce the new committers on list | 02:28 |
| judax | * | 02:28 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, np I am quite happy to do it, got some time tomorrow and this weekend | 02:28 |
| judax | opps | 02:28 |
| jsgotangco | (also outside) | 02:28 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, ok toss a coin who will do it then | 02:28 |
| jsgotangco | i'll announce thenew committers for now | 02:28 |
| judax | drinking beer is much better than dreaming about it | 02:28 |
| mpt | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307925 <-- now that's fast bug-fixing | 02:29 |
| mdke | if you want to do it, i don't mind | 02:29 |
| mdke | i had a bug closed in 9 minutes in bz.g.o :( | 02:29 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, if you don't see a summary before lunchtime in your side, do it | 02:29 |
| jsgotangco | i will review the logs in an hour | 02:30 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, i will see if I can catch you when I wake up ;) | 02:30 |
| mdke | thanks | 02:30 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, email sabdfl about that secretary business | 02:30 |
| jsgotangco | ok | 02:30 |
| mdke | you'll have to give up tea tho | 02:30 |
| jsgotangco | no way | 02:30 |
| === froud [~sean@ndn-165-146-74.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc | ||
| jsgotangco | hi froud you should sleep | 02:31 |
| jdub | mpt: search acm for jane silber :) | 02:33 |
| jdub | mpt: actually 'jane silber help' :) | 02:33 |
| froud | yeah | 02:34 |
| jsgotangco | wow nice search results | 02:35 |
| mdke | man I need my laptop back | 02:41 |
| mdke | webmail is just the worst | 02:41 |
| judax | yeah webmail is no good, I suck my gmail down POP | 02:42 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| mdke | i'm just waiting for my laptop to come home to pappa | 02:42 |
| judax | did it break? | 02:42 |
| mdke | not really | 02:43 |
| mdke | they repaired it, and forgot to put the clip back on where the power cord goes in | 02:43 |
| mdke | so I had to send it back AGAIN | 02:43 |
| judax | ah, that is not good | 02:43 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 02:44 |
| mdke | support for my laptop has been going downhill tho | 02:44 |
| jsgotangco | i download my emails for pop too | 02:44 |
| mdke | since kernel 2.6.7 2 massive issues have cropped up with acpi | 02:44 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, ask for one :) | 02:44 |
| judax | yeah, that is awesome that gmail does that | 02:44 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, you know I did :) | 02:44 |
| mdke | but dunno if i'll get one | 02:45 |
| judax | power has always been an issue | 02:45 |
| jsgotangco | i wish yahoo would do it too | 02:45 |
| jsgotangco | i have massive yahoo emails | 02:45 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, i noticed that yahoo.it and yahoo.uk does it | 02:45 |
| mdke | just yahoo.com doesn't | 02:45 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 02:45 |
| jsgotangco | maybe i should get a yahoo.uk | 02:45 |
| judax | they do it | 02:45 |
| mdke | or tl | 02:45 |
| judax | you just have to pay for it | 02:45 |
| mdke | *grins* | 02:45 |
| mdke | yeah but .it and .uk do it for free | 02:45 |
| jsgotangco | im a sucker for freebies | 02:45 |
| judax | ah, in us they charge for it | 02:46 |
| judax | s/us/US | 02:46 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, i read in -devel that mjg has decided on the laptop list | 02:46 |
| jsgotangco | whoa he did | 02:46 |
| mdke | [20:44:42] mjg59 We have a list of people, I just need to get in touch with them | 02:46 |
| jsgotangco | we'll see :-) | 02:47 |
| mdke | yep | 02:47 |
| jsgotangco | if it comes, it comes | 02:47 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| mdke | in any case I wanna get these acpi issues fixed with my current one | 02:47 |
| mdke | because they suck ass | 02:47 |
| jsgotangco | what are you using? | 02:48 |
| judax | what kind of laptop | 02:48 |
| mdke | compaq presario 2100 | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | im just using a no name taiwan unit | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | ouch | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | compaqs suck | 02:48 |
| mdke | hey | 02:48 |
| mdke | don't slag off my baby | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | sure they do | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | the HP ones are way better | 02:48 |
| mdke | no issue with mine | 02:48 |
| mdke | except the linux bugs | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | although i did see jbailey using an old compaq | 02:49 |
| jsgotangco | (the new compaqs are huge though) | 02:49 |
| judax | mdke: http://www.artifex.org/~dulles/compaq2100/ | 02:49 |
| judax | have not read it, but it talks about acpi | 02:49 |
| mdke | judax, yeah i've seen lots of pages like that | 02:49 |
| judax | ok | 02:50 |
| mdke | just that the bugs have been introduced fairly recently | 02:50 |
| mdke | like since 2.6.8 for one, and 2.6.10 for the other | 02:50 |
| mdke | warty runs like a dream | 02:50 |
| judax | just won't sleep or suspend or hibernate? | 02:51 |
| mdke | judax, i might email that guy to ask if he has similar issues actually :) | 02:51 |
| mdke | no battery status, and no screen brightness changes when AC power is toggled | 02:52 |
| mdke | it won't suspend to ram or disk either, but thats no biggie for me | 02:52 |
| judax | yeah, suspend and sleep and all that never bothered me, but the brightness would be a show-stopper | 02:53 |
| mdke | its irritating | 02:53 |
| mdke | i can't change it at all since 2.6.10 | 02:53 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 02:53 |
| jsgotangco | its like a brick then | 02:53 |
| jsgotangco | its no better than the no name desknotes here | 02:53 |
| mdke | battery status is of course a massive issue | 02:53 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, the issues are not with the lappy but with the kernel | 02:54 |
| judax | yeah | 02:54 |
| jsgotangco | we actually have laptop style machines here with no batteries | 02:54 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 02:54 |
| mdke | windows works fine | 02:54 |
| jsgotangco | well | 02:54 |
| mdke | in fact I thought they were hardware issues until I tried windows | 02:54 |
| judax | hehe, doesn't it always | 02:54 |
| jsgotangco | windows aint that bad | 02:54 |
| jsgotangco | (if configured properly) | 02:54 |
| mdke | i hate it | 02:55 |
| judax | I keep windows around for my gaming | 02:55 |
| jsgotangco | i keep my xbox for that | 02:55 |
| jsgotangco | i just spent a fortune last month for a PSP | 02:55 |
| mdke | but i set it up and install some free apps and such and its just about bearable | 02:55 |
| judax | I love MMOs, to the point that I can hardly play anything else, it is a sickness | 02:55 |
| jsgotangco | judax, you play WoW? | 02:55 |
| judax | yeah, I got one of those too, they are fun | 02:55 |
| judax | I love it | 02:56 |
| judax | jsgotangco: yes | 02:56 |
| jsgotangco | judax, you can buy PSP porn over here | 02:56 |
| mdke | damn you all and your gadgets | 02:56 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 02:56 |
| mdke | are they expensive? | 02:56 |
| judax | jsgotangco: I have been reading that on slash and engadget | 02:56 |
| jsgotangco | PSP is quite expensive | 02:56 |
| mdke | I occasionally think about a gaming console | 02:56 |
| jsgotangco | i just do pocket gaming now | 02:57 |
| jsgotangco | i even use an N-Gage | 02:57 |
| jsgotangco | hideous for a phone though | 02:57 |
| mdke | man | 02:57 |
| mdke | where do you get these wonderful toys | 02:57 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, asia in general is a grey market | 02:58 |
| mdke | i will visit | 02:58 |
| jsgotangco | what's legal and what's not is actually not an issue | 02:58 |
| judax | I have an N-Gage too, never liked it much | 02:58 |
| judax | the new version looks better, but the borked the first one | 02:59 |
| jsgotangco | so don't be surprised if i have 1,000+ DVDs and game discs at home | 02:59 |
| jsgotangco | judax, i hate the new version, it doesnt have mp3 support but the media loading is nice | 02:59 |
| judax | having to remove the battery compartment to change games *GRR* | 02:59 |
| jsgotangco | the first version sucks so bad with the media slot | 02:59 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 02:59 |
| judax | then they never delivered on any network games right off | 03:00 |
| judax | 'corse PSP is lacking there too | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | i bought my daughter a DS for her birthday, i like it more than our PSP | 03:01 |
| judax | jsgotangco: you like the PSP screen? | 03:01 |
| jsgotangco | not really | 03:01 |
| judax | DS is funner than you would think, touch screen can do alot | 03:01 |
| judax | jsgotangco: I mean the picture quality, I dont like the fingerprints all over the place | 03:02 |
| jsgotangco | same here | 03:02 |
| jsgotangco | mine even had 3 dead pixels when it shipped | 03:02 |
| judax | ah, that sucks | 03:02 |
| judax | I got lucky, but I have read alot about dead pixels | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | yeah what sucks is that you can't return it if its less than 5 dead pixels | 03:03 |
| judax | Sony has never been a support-centric company | 03:04 |
| judax | jsgotangco: you play WoW? | 03:05 |
| jsgotangco | rarely now | 03:05 |
| jsgotangco | i switched to guild wars | 03:05 |
| judax | yeah, I have that too, it is fun, but been taking a break from all games for a couple weeks, been busy | 03:05 |
| jsgotangco | we're more spoiled with Korean MMOs though | 03:06 |
| jsgotangco | theyre so incredibly cheap here | 03:07 |
| judax | how much? | 03:07 |
| jsgotangco | $2 to $3 on the average per month | 03:07 |
| judax | bah | 03:07 |
| judax | hehe | 03:07 |
| judax | american arm of ncsoft is here in austin | 03:08 |
| judax | lots of game devel here | 03:08 |
| jsgotangco | yeah but ncsoft is pretty big | 03:08 |
| judax | yes it is | 03:09 |
| jsgotangco | (and pretty expensive) | 03:09 |
| mdke | ok nearly bed time | 03:09 |
| jsgotangco | there's gravity and hanbitsoft | 03:09 |
| jsgotangco | equally good | 03:09 |
| judax | mdke: night, take care | 03:09 |
| judax | are those korean? | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | Ragnarok was done by Gravity | 03:10 |
| judax | ah, I know that one | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | yeah the game is so hideous for some, but it has a huge following all over asia | 03:11 |
| judax | sony and blizzard don't hold a candle to the korean subscription numbers | 03:11 |
| jsgotangco | its so much bigger than FF XI | 03:11 |
| judax | ragnarok is? | 03:12 |
| jsgotangco | i did a temp job in Mu Online back then when they were setting up here | 03:12 |
| judax | bet that was fun | 03:12 |
| jsgotangco | the beta tests lasted months | 03:13 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:13 |
| jsgotangco | i was literally unproductive back then | 03:13 |
| judax | I feel that way quite a bit | 03:13 |
| jsgotangco | it really messed up my social life | 03:13 |
| jsgotangco | i was into 3 closed beta tests at the same time | 03:14 |
| judax | I used to play EQ like an madman, my wife was not happy, I am better with WoW | 03:14 |
| judax | but I got on spurts | 03:14 |
| jsgotangco | same here my wife complained a lot when i was into the closed beta tests of Tantra | 03:14 |
| judax | know the feeling | 03:15 |
| mdke | tantra? | 03:15 |
| mdke | i thought your wife should approve of that | 03:15 |
| judax | this a Sting thing? | 03:15 |
| jsgotangco | hah | 03:15 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, Tantra is a game, not Tantric sex | 03:16 |
| jsgotangco | let me rephrase the title, its Tantra Online | 03:16 |
| mdke | night | 03:17 |
| jsgotangco | night | 03:17 |
| judax | mdke: night | 03:18 |
| jsgotangco | there's also this very bad game called Khan | 03:18 |
| judax | why is it bad? | 03:18 |
| jsgotangco | korean games are just about leveling up | 03:19 |
| judax | bad = time | 03:19 |
| judax | the grind | 03:20 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 03:20 |
| jsgotangco | level grind | 03:20 |
| jsgotangco | i have no idea why the kids here dig it so much | 03:20 |
| jsgotangco | i haven't been plyaing them korean games for a while | 03:20 |
| jsgotangco | guild wars is quite refreshing | 03:20 |
| judax | guild wars is fun | 03:20 |
| judax | and FREE | 03:20 |
| judax | I have never been a PvP maniac, but they (guild wars) doing things right | 03:21 |
| jsgotangco | well not really FREE, but cheaper in the long run | 03:21 |
| judax | true | 03:21 |
| jsgotangco | i really like the aesthetics of it as well | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | very nice use of anti-aliasing | 03:22 |
| judax | the graphics are beautiful | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | yeah the score is great too | 03:22 |
| judax | player models are the best of any game I thin | 03:22 |
| judax | err think | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | i used to fanboy a lot on game music then | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | i got a pretty good collection | 03:23 |
| judax | cool | 03:23 |
| jsgotangco | judax, | 03:25 |
| jsgotangco | about your email | 03:25 |
| judax | yes | 03:25 |
| jsgotangco | are you familiar with subversion | 03:25 |
| jsgotangco | or would rather use a gui way | 03:25 |
| jsgotangco | a gui way would be more productive if you're just committing | 03:25 |
| judax | command line is fine, matters not, I am more familar with cvs | 03:25 |
| judax | gui is fine too, whatever is easier | 03:26 |
| jsgotangco | because as far as procedures with committing in our svn, there is none | 03:26 |
| judax | ok | 03:26 |
| jsgotangco | we grab what interests us | 03:26 |
| jsgotangco | (we should make it detailed in the future though) | 03:26 |
| jsgotangco | i use a gui called esvn | 03:27 |
| judax | ok | 03:27 |
| jsgotangco | you can do your command line svn on that as well so there's nothing to be missed | 03:27 |
| jsgotangco | it just makes things easier | 03:27 |
| judax | sounds good | 03:27 |
| === mdke wakes up | ||
| mdke | COMMAND LINE IS EASIER! | 03:27 |
| judax | mdke: haha | 03:27 |
| jsgotangco | whatever works for you | 03:28 |
| jsgotangco | i prefer to see the general overview of trunk | 03:28 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:28 |
| judax | do you have an electrode connected to irc notifications? | 03:28 |
| mdke | i remembered I wanted to write a todo list for tomorrow | 03:28 |
| jsgotangco | judax, in case you didn't know, all commits are sent to ubuntu-doc-commits list | 03:28 |
| judax | 229 bst | 03:29 |
| jsgotangco | for notification | 03:29 |
| judax | ok, that is good to know | 03:29 |
| jsgotangco | its best to fill up global.ent for now instead of deleting entries | 03:29 |
| mdke | on no account delete entries in global.ent unless you've grepped the whole repository for them | 03:30 |
| mdke | ;) | 03:30 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 03:30 |
| judax | ok | 03:30 |
| mdke | otherwise links break | 03:30 |
| jsgotangco | all docs will break | 03:30 |
| jsgotangco | one way or another | 03:30 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, | 03:31 |
| jsgotangco | a question | 03:31 |
| mdke | y0 | 03:31 |
| jsgotangco | where do we put inactive contributors in current books? | 03:32 |
| jsgotangco | we still have to acknoledge them for some parts of the book came from them | 03:32 |
| mdke | my advice is to keep em in for now | 03:33 |
| mdke | what do you think? | 03:33 |
| jsgotangco | probably "past contributors" | 03:34 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 03:34 |
| jsgotangco | well they do come in here once in a while | 03:34 |
| jsgotangco | you never know when they'll come back | 03:34 |
| mdke | yes | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | hornbeck for example is writing a dead tree book | 03:35 |
| mdke | anyhow they have written parts of the docs | 03:35 |
| mdke | so they are contributors | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | true | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | i think froud once thought about this as well | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | how to categorize such | 03:35 |
| mdke | yep | 03:35 |
| judax | looking at http://esvn.umputun.com/ | 03:35 |
| mdke | i don't really think its a big issue tbh | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | well i was just thinking of classifying who did most work per release instead of listing them all at once | 03:36 |
| mdke | i think that is unnecessarily heirarchical | 03:36 |
| mdke | we are a team | 03:36 |
| mdke | the work is communal | 03:37 |
| jsgotangco | well yeah | 03:37 |
| jsgotangco | im just hungry | 03:38 |
| mdke | for what? | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | a meatbun would be good | 03:38 |
| mdke | ah | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | i was in this hongkong style dimsum hawker stand lsat night | 03:38 |
| mdke | -> bed | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | i zoned out for a while | 03:38 |
| mdke | no offence | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | np | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:38 |
| mdke | but i'm absolutely knackered | 03:38 |
| jsgotangco | it just sucks that my timzeone, most of the channels are quiet | 03:39 |
| mdke | hey you've got au and us right now | 03:39 |
| judax | what time in Manila? | 03:39 |
| jsgotangco | yes but the eu guys are better chatters IMO | 03:39 |
| mdke | very true | 03:40 |
| mdke | :) | 03:40 |
| mdke | night | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | no offense meant to the US guys | 03:40 |
| mdke | AGAIN! | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | i used to live in chicago | 03:40 |
| judax | hehe | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | judax, its 9:40AM | 03:40 |
| judax | ah | 03:40 |
| judax | you got up early | 03:41 |
| jsgotangco | way too early | 03:41 |
| judax | 842PM here, chicago time | 03:42 |
| jsgotangco | are you in chicago? | 03:42 |
| judax | yesterday | 03:42 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 03:42 |
| judax | no Austin, TX | 03:42 |
| judax | same timezone | 03:43 |
| jsgotangco | my folks are actually naturalized citizens for decades but since i have a family here, i decided to stay herefor a while till my daughter grows up a bit | 03:43 |
| judax | good friend of mine spends alot of time in manila and ... | 03:44 |
| jsgotangco | and? | 03:45 |
| judax | oh hell, my brain is taking a vacation | 03:45 |
| judax | works for General Electirc | 03:45 |
| jsgotangco | ohhh | 03:46 |
| jsgotangco | GE is quite big here | 03:46 |
| jsgotangco | Power sector | 03:46 |
| judax | I thought he was doing something with water delivery, but I could be wrong | 03:46 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 03:46 |
| jsgotangco | probably dam projects | 03:46 |
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| judax | Indonesia | 03:48 |
| judax | that was the ...and... | 03:48 |
| judax | where, after your daughter grows up a bit? | 03:50 |
| jsgotangco | probably back in chicago where i spent my HS years but i've been thinking of moving somewhere else | 03:51 |
| jsgotangco | we've been thinking of Toronto or vancouver | 03:51 |
| judax | I like Chicago, never been to Toronto or Vancouver, but heard they are beautiful | 03:52 |
| jsgotangco | i've been to Toronto its quite lively | 03:52 |
| jsgotangco | i can actually live anywhere, but my wife prefers an urbanized area | 03:52 |
| judax | Toronto and Vancouver are on either sides of the map, hehe | 03:52 |
| jsgotangco | heh yeah | 03:53 |
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| jsgotangco | ive been hearing good things about Victoria | 03:53 |
| jsgotangco | i can live in the northern territory if its possible | 03:53 |
| judax | friend of mine lives 3 hrs north of Edmonton | 03:53 |
| judax | I actually long for cold weather here in Austin, not from here | 03:54 |
| judax | esvn installed | 03:59 |
| judax | ah, I see froud has done a bunch of the docs for esvn, coo | 04:14 |
| judax | err cool | 04:14 |
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| jsgotangco | judax, most of them are untouched lately though | 05:10 |
| jsgotangco | probably from the last merging from branch | 05:10 |
| judax | jsgotangco: hey | 05:13 |
| judax | using esvn, looking at /ubuntu-doc but when I drill down into the directories, say /utuntu-doc/kde/kquickguide/C there is nothing there | 05:14 |
| judax | complains about not finding the empty item | 05:14 |
| judax | top-level directories it sees things in like /ubuntu-doc/styleguide | 05:16 |
| judax | sees the doc in there but no lower | 05:16 |
| jsgotangco | if you select C, you'll see the document in the other pane | 05:23 |
| judax | hmm, I got something messed up then | 05:27 |
| judax | do I need to define a workspace, or should I be able to see all the stuff just pulling from the existing working svn directory? | 05:29 |
| robitaille | It's too bad I missed the meeting. I wanted to show up, but it got crazy at work, and then I had to drive my kids somewhere. I'll have to check the logs | 05:42 |
| judax | hmm, it works now, after sitting a bit, I see all the doc, strange | 05:47 |
| judax | oh well, good, now on to authentication | 05:47 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille, it was interesting nonetheless but a lot of stuff needs to be resolved as well | 05:48 |
| jsgotangco | a 22:00UTC meeting can be nasty to those in EU | 05:48 |
| robitaille | it was 3pm here in Victoria. Which can be a good or a bad thing depending on the day. Essentially the best times for me are usually between now and 8:00UTC | 05:49 |
| robitaille | i.e when I'm not at work and the kids are sleeping :) | 05:50 |
| robitaille | I still want to get more involves with this group in the semi-near future. That's why I wanted to check the meeting. Froud mentionned the system admin doc a while back, but I saw that this got shelved for Breezy | 05:51 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille, it doesn't mean that it can't be worked out right now, it just means it won't be packaged | 05:52 |
| robitaille | I know. Anyway I'm sure I'll find something to do once I have some time to sit down and check things out. | 05:53 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille, the good news is that we have 2 new committer accounts done by elmo so it would lighten the load on other docs | 05:53 |
| jsgotangco | like i can wreak havoc in edubuntu now | 05:54 |
| jsgotangco | and even mess up with admin stuff for this team | 05:54 |
| jdub | robitaille: you're canadian? | 07:18 |
| robitaille | jdub, yes | 07:18 |
| jdub | i am an idiot :-) | 07:18 |
| robitaille | ? | 07:18 |
| jdub | for some reason, i totally assumed you were french | 07:18 |
| robitaille | I'm french-canadian. My first language in french | 07:19 |
| robitaille | but have lived/worked/stidies for 15 years in an english environment | 07:19 |
| robitaille | s/stidies/studies | 07:19 |
| jdub | yeah | 07:19 |
| robitaille | jdub, I thought managing the ubuntu-ca mailing list would have been a good hint that I was not from France :) | 07:22 |
| jdub | heh | 07:22 |
| jdub | don't rub it in ;) | 07:22 |
| robitaille | out of curiosity, you must get so many admin e-mails for the ubuntu-users list for spam and e-mails from non-subscribers; it must get annoying; the ubuntu-ca gets its fair share and it is a small list. | 07:24 |
| Burgundavia | rofl | 07:26 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, robitaille and I live in the same city | 07:27 |
| Burgundavia | quite ironic | 07:27 |
| robitaille | but haven't manage to met yet. | 07:27 |
| jdub | robitaille: we intend to run the mailman spamassassin plugin when the lists are shifted | 07:28 |
| jdub | (they're hosted on a pooey machine) | 07:29 |
| robitaille | with jsgotangco talking of moving to Canada one day, maybe will attract him to Victoria, and this town will become quite an Ubuntu presence | 07:29 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 07:51 |
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| robitaille | Canadian greetings to froud and jsgotangco | 09:02 |
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| jsgotangco | hello | 09:06 |
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| froud | African greetings | 09:17 |
| froud | jsgotangco: Congratulations on becoming secretary | 09:17 |
| froud | well deserved | 09:17 |
| froud | you have come a long way since joing the team, amazing :-) | 09:18 |
| froud | can anyone tell me who the chief honcho is at baz | 09:19 |
| froud | do they have a channel? | 09:20 |
| robitaille | #bazaar maybe? | 09:24 |
| jsgotangco | me secretary? | 09:25 |
| froud | jsgotangco: yes, or was a reading wrong in the meeting | 09:25 |
| robitaille | I guess someone else has to read the irc logs of #ubuntu-meeting besides me :) | 09:26 |
| jsgotangco | hmm i must have missed that | 09:26 |
| froud | why is that not what mark said? | 09:26 |
| jsgotangco | it was after all 6am | 09:26 |
| jsgotangco | hmm ok | 09:26 |
| froud | well you volunteered no | 09:26 |
| froud | robitaille: am I right | 09:27 |
| jsgotangco | oh right | 09:27 |
| robitaille | I wasn't there...and I'm about to read the logs; So I'll stay neutral in this "debate" :) | 09:27 |
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| froud | Hmmm the bazaar and bzr are really wide awake (not) | 10:17 |
| mdke | morning | 10:32 |
| froud | morn | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | morning | 10:42 |
| mdke | [08:25:00] jsgotangco me secretary? | 10:42 |
| mdke | hmm | 10:42 |
| mdke | he was at the meeting right? | 10:42 |
| jsgotangco | hmm? | 10:42 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 10:42 |
| jsgotangco | he was | 10:42 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 10:42 |
| mdke | [08:26:33] froud well you volunteered no | 10:43 |
| mdke | i thought you did | 10:43 |
| jsgotangco | yes i did | 10:44 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, don't worrry about it | 10:46 |
| mdke | i won't | 10:48 |
| mdke | am I doing the meeting minutes today? | 10:52 |
| mdke | jsgotangco? | 11:01 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 12:05 |
| jsgotangco | sorry | 12:05 |
| jsgotangco | i was out | 12:05 |
| mdke | np | 12:05 |
| mdke | :) | 12:05 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, can you do the minutes? | 12:05 |
| mdke | yes | 12:05 |
| jsgotangco | (so sorry about this) | 12:05 |
| mdke | not a problem | 12:05 |
| jsgotangco | i was tracing some stuff that happened over here | 12:05 |
| jsgotangco | one guy was hacking shit in the network | 12:06 |
| mdke | lay the smackdown | 12:06 |
| jsgotangco | i didnt expect the word smackdown from an english guy | 12:07 |
| mdke | *grins* | 12:07 |
| mdke | american culture is everywhere | 12:07 |
| jsgotangco | would it be possible to ssh somewhere else in an existing ssh session? | 12:08 |
| mdke | yeah | 12:08 |
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| jsgotangco | theres this guy here at work | 12:08 |
| mdke | you can ssh into a machine and ssh back into the first machine if you like | 12:08 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 12:09 |
| mdke | you can do ANYTHING | 12:09 |
| jsgotangco | no i was thinking this box got rooted | 12:09 |
| mdke | mwahhahaha | 12:09 |
| jsgotangco | then he ssh'ed to a local machine | 12:09 |
| jsgotangco | then ssh'ed again to another machine using the 2 rooted stuff | 12:09 |
| jsgotangco | (not this box) | 12:09 |
| jsgotangco | another one though | 12:09 |
| jsgotangco | i am not surprised if that's what happened | 12:10 |
| jsgotangco | he got stumped when he tried to get into the ubuntu box | 12:10 |
| mdke | Be RiGhT bAcK | 12:10 |
| jsgotangco | (he got into a local user though, but it doesn't contain anything) | 12:11 |
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| jsgotangco | i gotta go | 12:48 |
| mdke | ok | 12:48 |
| mdke | night | 12:48 |
| jsgotangco | secretary | 12:48 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:48 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, ping? | 12:51 |
| mdke | yep | 12:52 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, pong | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | oh nvm i remember you were going to do the minutes | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | who's the new committer beside the 2? | 12:53 |
| mdke | judax, gtaylor, mvirkkil, jjesse | 12:54 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh 4! | 12:54 |
| jsgotangco | can you announce them as well? | 12:54 |
| mdke | alright | 12:54 |
| jsgotangco | thanks man, i'll make it with you real soon | 12:55 |
| mdke | :) | 12:55 |
| mdke | don't be so sure | 12:55 |
| jsgotangco | what do you mean | 12:56 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 12:56 |
| mdke | j/k | 12:56 |
| mdke | "make it" | 12:57 |
| jsgotangco | right, hack the source and make it happen | 12:58 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:58 |
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| jjesse | froud is there a place to go to learn how to commit via svn now that i have a username and password? | 03:02 |
| froud | jjesse: what do you want to comit? | 03:03 |
| jjesse | nothing now, but in the future | 03:03 |
| froud | ok let say you have a file changed | 03:03 |
| froud | foo.xml | 03:03 |
| jjesse | nod | 03:03 |
| froud | for now just cd to that dir | 03:04 |
| froud | then do svn commit foo.xml | 03:04 |
| froud | you will be given chance to enter a message | 03:04 |
| froud | save and exit | 03:04 |
| froud | and you will be prompted for username on first commit | 03:04 |
| froud | the password is the same as your pgp key | 03:05 |
| froud | the password you use for your key | 03:05 |
| jjesse | ok | 03:05 |
| froud | not the key istelf | 03:05 |
| jjesse | understanding now | 03:05 |
| froud | try a small test now | 03:05 |
| jjesse | i've used cvs before and i always had to setup a CVSROOT before | 03:06 |
| froud | make a small change in a file | 03:06 |
| jjesse | which is cumbersome | 03:06 |
| froud | yes, your user pass details are stored in the repos .svn | 03:06 |
| froud | once you have done a commit you will not have give details again | 03:07 |
| froud | in baz you also have to set your id | 03:08 |
| froud | baz my-id "Joe User <joe@example.com>" | 03:08 |
| froud | but you do it just once, the email must just match thatused in the pgp key | 03:09 |
| jjesse | ok | 03:09 |
| jjesse | question on the password | 03:10 |
| froud | so with baz, providing you use the same email and pgp key you should be able to to it once | 03:10 |
| jjesse | i received a password from james troup do i use that password or my key password? | 03:10 |
| froud | yes | 03:10 |
| froud | that user and pass is associated with your pgp key siginature on the server | 03:11 |
| jjesse | ok succesfful committ | 03:11 |
| froud | it should correspond with the key on your system | 03:11 |
| froud | nice | 03:11 |
| froud | easy | 03:11 |
| froud | sorry it took so long to get you that | 03:12 |
| jjesse | no worries i was slow on my end thank you very much for the help | 03:12 |
| jjesse | now i have to get back to work :( | 03:12 |
| froud | just did not realize that you did not have commit | 03:12 |
| froud | cool | 03:12 |
| jjesse | off topic did you hear about the bbc and the beethoven symphonies | 03:12 |
| froud | no :-) | 03:13 |
| jjesse | yeah they are releasing the full symphonies in .mp3 format | 03:14 |
| jjesse | but i missed downloading the first two :( | 03:14 |
| froud | he he you like that stuff? | 03:15 |
| jjesse | its good music to work w/ | 03:15 |
| jjesse | drowns out the crappy overhead music that is playing | 03:15 |
| jjesse | i hate eleveator music | 03:15 |
| froud | ah yes | 03:15 |
| froud | anything is better than that | 03:16 |
| froud | I like the orchestra live | 03:16 |
| froud | but when I work it my be dead silent | 03:16 |
| froud | I mean a cricket can anoy me | 03:17 |
| froud | :-) | 03:17 |
| froud | the telephone even gives me a fright when I get deep into something | 03:17 |
| jjesse | i have to have sound | 03:17 |
| jjesse | i hate subnetting | 03:32 |
| froud | why? | 03:32 |
| jjesse | i'm not good at it | 03:33 |
| froud | it's not hard once you get the hang of it | 03:33 |
| froud | thank moses for subnetting | 03:33 |
| froud | what would we do without it | 03:33 |
| jjesse | i know but i'm configuring my cisco pix and need to come up w/ the correct range of ip address to open up for a company to access a certain program remotely | 03:34 |
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| judax | Texas-sized Greetings | 05:39 |
| mdke | mmm | 05:40 |
| mdke | i'd like a texas sized hamburger right now | 05:40 |
| judax | yes, so would I, I am hungry! | 05:40 |
| judax | mdke: quick question | 05:40 |
| judax | reading the conversation froud and jjesse had earlier | 05:41 |
| judax | so, the password elmo sent with the svn account is not the one to use? | 05:41 |
| judax | should use gpg key passphrase? | 05:41 |
| mdke | here i am | 05:46 |
| mdke | no don't let them confuse you ;) | 05:46 |
| mdke | elmo should have sent you the password encrypted with your key | 05:46 |
| mdke | you can decrypt it and see the password | 05:46 |
| mdke | thats the one to use | 05:46 |
| judax | ok, thx, that was confusing me, elmo did just that | 05:50 |
| mdke | for security purposes | 05:51 |
| judax | understood | 05:51 |
| mdke | ;) | 05:53 |
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| mdke | phillip cain around? | 06:17 |
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| mdke | hi JonA | 06:24 |
| JonA | Hi there :-) | 06:26 |
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| mdke | hi there philipacamaniac | 06:41 |
| mdke | thanks for helping on the homepages thing | 06:41 |
| philipacamaniac | yeah, the wiki needs help, so i'm helping :) | 06:41 |
| mdke | start from g if you wanna do more now, i'm just doing a bit | 06:42 |
| philipacamaniac | Thanks. Speaking of help, should the old comments on pages be moved to /talk pages? | 06:42 |
| mdke | yes in theory | 06:43 |
| mdke | but I wouldn't make an organised initiative out of it | 06:43 |
| mdke | probably best to do it for the pages you care about ;) | 06:43 |
| philipacamaniac | not yet anyway... perhaps because subpages currently reside in talk? | 06:43 |
| mdke | well they can be put under a different heading | 06:44 |
| philipacamaniac | I just did the G's so you can take them out | 06:44 |
| mdke | kewl | 06:45 |
| mdke | done | 06:45 |
| mdke | tell you what | 06:45 |
| mdke | i'll start at the bottom from now on | 06:46 |
| mdke | that way we won't clash ;) | 06:46 |
| philipacamaniac | that'll work! | 06:46 |
| mdke | i wonder how many tabs firefox can handle | 06:46 |
| philipacamaniac | I've been wondering the same... | 06:47 |
| mdke | blooming loads | 06:50 |
| philipacamaniac | oh crap, what to do about those messed up names? (ones with special characters?) | 06:58 |
| philipacamaniac | does the new wiki not accept special characters in wikinames? | 06:59 |
| mdke | example url? | 07:03 |
| philipacamaniac | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikkoVirkkil_c3_a4 | 07:03 |
| philipacamaniac | MikkoVirkkil | 07:03 |
| philipacamaniac | "c3 a4" representing the "" | 07:04 |
| mdke | guess not | 07:05 |
| mdke | i tried to rename it right now, it has gone to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikkoVirkkil%c3%a4 | 07:05 |
| philipacamaniac | hmm, looking at how it is printed on a search page, it looks correct. so I guess it is just URLs | 07:06 |
| mdke | we're discovering lots of things with this damn wiki transfer | 07:06 |
| mdke | yeah looks like it works within the wiki, just the URL | 07:06 |
| mdke | if you want to flag it up on that thread for henrik, go ahead tho | 07:06 |
| mdke | you on M already? | 07:06 |
| mdke | damn fast | 07:06 |
| philipacamaniac | firefox tabs are our friends | 07:06 |
| mdke | yeah | 07:09 |
| mdke | i'm gonna take a break | 07:09 |
| mdke | arm is falling off | 07:09 |
| philipacamaniac | :) | 07:09 |
| philipacamaniac | what should I do about MarksHoaryGoals | 07:13 |
| philipacamaniac | he has a separate homepage | 07:14 |
| mdke | check for backlinks | 07:14 |
| mdke | then delete if it has none | 07:14 |
| mdke | hang on | 07:15 |
| philipacamaniac | you don't think the info should be saved? | 07:15 |
| mdke | lets ask him | 07:15 |
| mdke | actually it seems to be linked in his homepage | 07:17 |
| philipacamaniac | okay, missed that | 07:17 |
| mdke | don't categorise it, just leave it | 07:17 |
| philipacamaniac | right | 07:17 |
| mdke | i guess the importer has put all subpages of UserPages on the /talk page too | 07:18 |
| philipacamaniac | oh boy, more fun! | 07:18 |
| mdke | sent a call to help on the list | 07:18 |
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| HappyFool | i hope this is the right place for this: the link "https://site-edit.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/folder_contents" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation is broken -- this is a bit frustrating, as the UserDocumentation page has been drastically shortened | 08:59 |
| HappyFool | and it's now difficult to find docs | 08:59 |
| judax | thx for the link, I believe we have people working on some of these issues | 09:00 |
| philipacamaniac | try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation?action=edit | 09:00 |
| Kinnison | k | 09:00 |
| Kinnison | w/w | 09:00 |
| Kinnison | sorry | 09:00 |
| philipacamaniac | oh wait... sorry, I think I see what you mean | 09:01 |
| HappyFool | i'd edit it, but i don't know what to do ;) | 09:01 |
| HappyFool | well, where to point it | 09:01 |
| philipacamaniac | how about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex | 09:03 |
| HappyFool | looks promising | 09:07 |
| philipacamaniac | if no one minds, I'll go ahead and fix the rest of the broken links on that page | 09:08 |
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| mako | gtaylor: hey, you around? | 09:14 |
| mako | mdke: ? | 09:14 |
| mako | Seveas: you too? | 09:14 |
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| mako | anywya.. there is a forums meeting in #ubuntu-meeting any or all of you should show up if you can | 09:15 |
| mako | i would apppreciate it | 09:15 |
| squinn | mako, i was just not-so-kindly asked to leave | 09:17 |
| squinn | but it's alright | 09:18 |
| squinn | mako, take those lines out of the log..issue resolved..i'm too stupid to take a joke | 09:20 |
| squinn | Hey, docteam-ers? | 09:22 |
| gtaylor | mako: Yes? | 09:22 |
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| mako | squinn: that was a joke dude | 09:23 |
| mako | :) | 09:24 |
| squinn | mako, we talked it out | 09:24 |
| mako | cool | 09:24 |
| squinn | mako, i had to think about it | 09:24 |
| squinn | until i realized it made absolutely zero sense..and was invited back in | 09:24 |
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| squinn | Are the minutes from the meeting yesterday online yet? | 09:29 |
| froud | what caused the problems at the forums | 09:36 |
| squinn | from what i understand, it just seems like routine maintenance meeting | 09:38 |
| froud | no some problem | 09:39 |
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| squinn | Oh, ok. | 09:44 |
| gtaylor | of course they're making little interjectory statements about docteam members, mdke you might want to hop in | 09:48 |
| froud | which members | 09:48 |
| froud | I see no comments | 09:48 |
| squinn | yeah, neither do i | 09:48 |
| gtaylor | you wouldn't, you weren't involved in the scuffle | 09:51 |
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| gtaylor | there are like 8 moderators and 3 users there | 10:43 |
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| froud | well chaps | 11:16 |
| froud | night | 11:16 |
| judax | froud: night | 11:16 |
| froud | judax: ;-) | 11:16 |
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