=== jeff-away is now known as jeffsch === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jgotangco curses bad dsl [01:32] jsgotangco, PM [01:32] yes [01:46] why do i have the feeling this release is going to be terribly chaotic on our side [01:47] of course not [01:48] i like to panic [01:48] (must be because of the tea i drank this morning) [01:49] yes [01:49] don't panic [01:49] jsgotangco, you need to chill man! [01:49] the discussion is going well IMO [01:49] yep [01:49] hehe [01:49] you know me [01:50] you'll have to take some sedatives if you're gonna be our secretary ;) === mdke administers them to jsgotangco forcefully [01:50] i look panicky in irc, but im so composed personally [01:50] (at least the yelp frontpage issue has been recognized) [01:53] is anyone else thinking froud is back on the team? [01:53] he'll say that after the meeting [01:54] its not a question of saying it tho [01:54] he just obviously is [01:54] he emailed me on thinking of his decision after this meeting === jeffsch is now known as jeff-away [02:12] hah [02:17] yay, they set me up on svn [02:17] oh cool [02:17] yeah, me too [02:17] that's great guys welcome aboard [02:17] *whew* [02:17] :) [02:17] thanks, this will make it a lot easier to contribute [02:18] good old elmo [02:18] definitely [02:18] look forward to you spamming the commit list from now on gtaylor [02:18] and judax [02:18] yay [02:18] the assailment will begin tomorrow :) [02:18] i can now mess up other stuff [02:18] guys, feel free to change the screenshots [02:18] my kubuntu box is so messed up [02:19] hah [02:19] you should see my laptop :) the entire desktop is backwards [02:19] consistency is the key like i said before === jsgotangco slaps mdke [02:22] ? [02:22] heh [02:22] CHILL [02:22] GOOSFRABA [02:22] yep [02:22] I haven't heard anyone else say that before :) [02:22] i'm cool [02:22] what [02:23] goosfraba? [02:23] heh [02:23] goosfraba [02:23] I heard it like once [02:23] i was watching anger management last night [02:23] on dvd [02:23] ahh, ok [02:23] gotcha [02:23] its just that you guys go off topic and and don't come back ;) [02:23] what is goosfraba? [02:23] helps you relax :) [02:23] goosfraba... [02:23] say it [02:23] gooooosfraba [02:23] yeeess... [02:23] yyyyyyyakkaboo [02:23] blah [02:24] i still remember the porn girls in that movie [02:24] hehe [02:24] speaking of which, time to call my woman === gtaylor ducks [02:24] ok [02:24] judax, gtaylor glad that you're in the ship [02:24] remind me to get plenty of sleep before the next docteam meetings [02:24] i really appreciate the patches [02:24] jsgotangco: glad to be here [02:24] yeah GREAT WORK judax and gtaylor [02:24] jsgotangco: No problem, I look forward to helping more [02:25] i wll wreak havoc in edubuntu now [02:25] Sounds like fun [02:25] yeah its way different to what we currently do [02:26] right dudes I will write up minutes tomorrow [02:26] even the documentation for it would be crack [02:26] unless anyone else has a burning desire [02:26] mdke: sleep well [02:26] mdke, if you want, i'll do it for you [02:26] mdke, besides i called the meeting [02:26] mdke, i appreciate you pitching in, i was late my fault [02:26] not at all [02:26] i slept around 1:30AM [02:26] i fancy myself in that sort of role [02:26] its the lawyer in me [02:27] ahh yes, my favorite barrister [02:27] I stayed up till about 5am writing HelpfulHelp [02:27] :p === mpt goes back to sleep [02:27] mpt, sweet dreams, thanks for showing up man === mpt dreams of free-as-in-beer access to acm.org research on online help === mdke dreams of some beer [02:28] i will look into logs later [02:28] i will also announce the new committers on list [02:28] * [02:28] jsgotangco, np I am quite happy to do it, got some time tomorrow and this weekend [02:28] opps [02:28] (also outside) [02:28] mdke, ok toss a coin who will do it then [02:28] i'll announce thenew committers for now [02:28] drinking beer is much better than dreaming about it [02:29] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307925 <-- now that's fast bug-fixing [02:29] if you want to do it, i don't mind [02:29] i had a bug closed in 9 minutes in bz.g.o :( [02:29] mdke, if you don't see a summary before lunchtime in your side, do it [02:30] i will review the logs in an hour [02:30] jsgotangco, i will see if I can catch you when I wake up ;) [02:30] thanks [02:30] jsgotangco, email sabdfl about that secretary business [02:30] ok [02:30] you'll have to give up tea tho [02:30] no way === froud [~sean@ndn-165-146-74.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:31] hi froud you should sleep [02:33] mpt: search acm for jane silber :) [02:33] mpt: actually 'jane silber help' :) [02:34] yeah [02:35] wow nice search results [02:41] man I need my laptop back [02:41] webmail is just the worst [02:42] yeah webmail is no good, I suck my gmail down POP === mdke nods [02:42] i'm just waiting for my laptop to come home to pappa [02:42] did it break? [02:43] not really [02:43] they repaired it, and forgot to put the clip back on where the power cord goes in [02:43] so I had to send it back AGAIN [02:43] ah, that is not good [02:44] heh [02:44] support for my laptop has been going downhill tho [02:44] i download my emails for pop too [02:44] since kernel 2.6.7 2 massive issues have cropped up with acpi [02:44] mdke, ask for one :) [02:44] yeah, that is awesome that gmail does that [02:44] jsgotangco, you know I did :) [02:45] but dunno if i'll get one [02:45] power has always been an issue [02:45] i wish yahoo would do it too [02:45] i have massive yahoo emails [02:45] jsgotangco, i noticed that yahoo.it and yahoo.uk does it [02:45] just yahoo.com doesn't [02:45] hmm [02:45] maybe i should get a yahoo.uk [02:45] they do it [02:45] or tl [02:45] you just have to pay for it [02:45] *grins* [02:45] yeah but .it and .uk do it for free [02:45] im a sucker for freebies [02:46] ah, in us they charge for it [02:46] s/us/US [02:46] jsgotangco, i read in -devel that mjg has decided on the laptop list [02:46] whoa he did [02:46] [20:44:42] mjg59 We have a list of people, I just need to get in touch with them [02:47] we'll see :-) [02:47] yep [02:47] if it comes, it comes === mdke nods [02:47] in any case I wanna get these acpi issues fixed with my current one [02:47] because they suck ass [02:48] what are you using? [02:48] what kind of laptop [02:48] compaq presario 2100 [02:48] im just using a no name taiwan unit [02:48] ouch [02:48] compaqs suck [02:48] hey [02:48] don't slag off my baby [02:48] sure they do [02:48] the HP ones are way better [02:48] no issue with mine [02:48] except the linux bugs [02:49] although i did see jbailey using an old compaq [02:49] (the new compaqs are huge though) [02:49] mdke: http://www.artifex.org/~dulles/compaq2100/ [02:49] have not read it, but it talks about acpi [02:49] judax, yeah i've seen lots of pages like that [02:50] ok [02:50] just that the bugs have been introduced fairly recently [02:50] like since 2.6.8 for one, and 2.6.10 for the other [02:50] warty runs like a dream [02:51] just won't sleep or suspend or hibernate? [02:51] judax, i might email that guy to ask if he has similar issues actually :) [02:52] no battery status, and no screen brightness changes when AC power is toggled [02:52] it won't suspend to ram or disk either, but thats no biggie for me [02:53] yeah, suspend and sleep and all that never bothered me, but the brightness would be a show-stopper [02:53] its irritating [02:53] i can't change it at all since 2.6.10 [02:53] hehe [02:53] its like a brick then [02:53] its no better than the no name desknotes here [02:53] battery status is of course a massive issue [02:54] jsgotangco, the issues are not with the lappy but with the kernel [02:54] yeah [02:54] we actually have laptop style machines here with no batteries [02:54] ahhh [02:54] windows works fine [02:54] well [02:54] in fact I thought they were hardware issues until I tried windows [02:54] hehe, doesn't it always [02:54] windows aint that bad [02:54] (if configured properly) [02:55] i hate it [02:55] I keep windows around for my gaming [02:55] i keep my xbox for that [02:55] i just spent a fortune last month for a PSP [02:55] but i set it up and install some free apps and such and its just about bearable [02:55] I love MMOs, to the point that I can hardly play anything else, it is a sickness [02:55] judax, you play WoW? [02:55] yeah, I got one of those too, they are fun [02:56] I love it [02:56] jsgotangco: yes [02:56] judax, you can buy PSP porn over here [02:56] damn you all and your gadgets [02:56] heh [02:56] are they expensive? [02:56] jsgotangco: I have been reading that on slash and engadget [02:56] PSP is quite expensive [02:56] I occasionally think about a gaming console [02:57] i just do pocket gaming now [02:57] i even use an N-Gage [02:57] hideous for a phone though [02:57] man [02:57] where do you get these wonderful toys [02:58] mdke, asia in general is a grey market [02:58] i will visit [02:58] what's legal and what's not is actually not an issue [02:58] I have an N-Gage too, never liked it much [02:59] the new version looks better, but the borked the first one [02:59] so don't be surprised if i have 1,000+ DVDs and game discs at home [02:59] judax, i hate the new version, it doesnt have mp3 support but the media loading is nice [02:59] having to remove the battery compartment to change games *GRR* [02:59] the first version sucks so bad with the media slot [02:59] yeah [03:00] then they never delivered on any network games right off [03:00] 'corse PSP is lacking there too [03:00] yeah [03:01] i bought my daughter a DS for her birthday, i like it more than our PSP [03:01] jsgotangco: you like the PSP screen? [03:01] not really [03:01] DS is funner than you would think, touch screen can do alot [03:02] jsgotangco: I mean the picture quality, I dont like the fingerprints all over the place [03:02] same here [03:02] mine even had 3 dead pixels when it shipped [03:02] ah, that sucks [03:03] I got lucky, but I have read alot about dead pixels [03:03] yeah what sucks is that you can't return it if its less than 5 dead pixels [03:04] Sony has never been a support-centric company [03:05] jsgotangco: you play WoW? [03:05] rarely now [03:05] i switched to guild wars [03:05] yeah, I have that too, it is fun, but been taking a break from all games for a couple weeks, been busy [03:06] we're more spoiled with Korean MMOs though [03:07] theyre so incredibly cheap here [03:07] how much? [03:07] $2 to $3 on the average per month [03:07] bah [03:07] hehe [03:08] american arm of ncsoft is here in austin [03:08] lots of game devel here [03:08] yeah but ncsoft is pretty big [03:09] yes it is [03:09] (and pretty expensive) [03:09] ok nearly bed time [03:09] there's gravity and hanbitsoft [03:09] equally good [03:09] mdke: night, take care [03:10] are those korean? [03:10] yeah [03:10] Ragnarok was done by Gravity [03:10] ah, I know that one [03:11] yeah the game is so hideous for some, but it has a huge following all over asia [03:11] sony and blizzard don't hold a candle to the korean subscription numbers [03:11] its so much bigger than FF XI [03:12] ragnarok is? [03:12] i did a temp job in Mu Online back then when they were setting up here [03:12] bet that was fun [03:13] the beta tests lasted months [03:13] heh [03:13] i was literally unproductive back then [03:13] I feel that way quite a bit [03:13] it really messed up my social life [03:14] i was into 3 closed beta tests at the same time [03:14] I used to play EQ like an madman, my wife was not happy, I am better with WoW [03:14] but I got on spurts [03:14] same here my wife complained a lot when i was into the closed beta tests of Tantra [03:15] know the feeling [03:15] tantra? [03:15] i thought your wife should approve of that [03:15] this a Sting thing? [03:15] hah [03:16] mdke, Tantra is a game, not Tantric sex [03:16] let me rephrase the title, its Tantra Online [03:17] night [03:17] night [03:18] mdke: night [03:18] there's also this very bad game called Khan [03:18] why is it bad? [03:19] korean games are just about leveling up [03:19] bad = time [03:20] the grind [03:20] yeah [03:20] level grind [03:20] i have no idea why the kids here dig it so much [03:20] i haven't been plyaing them korean games for a while [03:20] guild wars is quite refreshing [03:20] guild wars is fun [03:20] and FREE [03:21] I have never been a PvP maniac, but they (guild wars) doing things right [03:21] well not really FREE, but cheaper in the long run [03:21] true [03:22] i really like the aesthetics of it as well [03:22] very nice use of anti-aliasing [03:22] the graphics are beautiful [03:22] yeah the score is great too [03:22] player models are the best of any game I thin [03:22] err think [03:22] i used to fanboy a lot on game music then [03:23] i got a pretty good collection [03:23] cool [03:25] judax, [03:25] about your email [03:25] yes [03:25] are you familiar with subversion [03:25] or would rather use a gui way [03:25] a gui way would be more productive if you're just committing [03:25] command line is fine, matters not, I am more familar with cvs [03:26] gui is fine too, whatever is easier [03:26] because as far as procedures with committing in our svn, there is none [03:26] ok [03:26] we grab what interests us [03:26] (we should make it detailed in the future though) [03:27] i use a gui called esvn [03:27] ok [03:27] you can do your command line svn on that as well so there's nothing to be missed [03:27] it just makes things easier [03:27] sounds good === mdke wakes up [03:27] COMMAND LINE IS EASIER! [03:27] mdke: haha [03:28] whatever works for you [03:28] i prefer to see the general overview of trunk [03:28] heh [03:28] do you have an electrode connected to irc notifications? [03:28] i remembered I wanted to write a todo list for tomorrow [03:28] judax, in case you didn't know, all commits are sent to ubuntu-doc-commits list [03:29] 229 bst [03:29] for notification [03:29] ok, that is good to know [03:29] its best to fill up global.ent for now instead of deleting entries [03:30] on no account delete entries in global.ent unless you've grepped the whole repository for them [03:30] ;) [03:30] yes [03:30] ok [03:30] otherwise links break [03:30] all docs will break [03:30] one way or another [03:31] mdke, [03:31] a question [03:31] y0 [03:32] where do we put inactive contributors in current books? [03:32] we still have to acknoledge them for some parts of the book came from them [03:33] my advice is to keep em in for now [03:33] what do you think? [03:34] probably "past contributors" [03:34] hmm [03:34] well they do come in here once in a while [03:34] you never know when they'll come back [03:35] yes [03:35] hornbeck for example is writing a dead tree book [03:35] anyhow they have written parts of the docs [03:35] so they are contributors [03:35] true [03:35] i think froud once thought about this as well [03:35] how to categorize such [03:35] yep [03:35] looking at http://esvn.umputun.com/ [03:35] i don't really think its a big issue tbh [03:36] well i was just thinking of classifying who did most work per release instead of listing them all at once [03:36] i think that is unnecessarily heirarchical [03:36] we are a team [03:37] the work is communal [03:37] well yeah [03:38] im just hungry [03:38] for what? [03:38] a meatbun would be good [03:38] ah [03:38] i was in this hongkong style dimsum hawker stand lsat night [03:38] -> bed [03:38] i zoned out for a while [03:38] no offence [03:38] np [03:38] heh [03:38] but i'm absolutely knackered [03:39] it just sucks that my timzeone, most of the channels are quiet [03:39] hey you've got au and us right now [03:39] what time in Manila? [03:39] yes but the eu guys are better chatters IMO [03:40] very true [03:40] :) [03:40] night [03:40] no offense meant to the US guys [03:40]