[01:32] <mdke> jsgotangco, PM
[01:32] <jgotangco> yes
[01:46] <jsgotangco> why do i have the feeling this release is going to be terribly chaotic on our side
[01:47] <Burgundavia> of course not
[01:48] <jsgotangco> i like to panic
[01:48] <jsgotangco> (must be because of the tea i drank this morning)
[01:49] <Burgundavia> yes
[01:49] <Burgundavia> don't panic
[01:49] <mdke> jsgotangco, you need to chill man!
[01:49] <mdke> the discussion is going well IMO
[01:49] <jsgotangco> yep
[01:49] <jsgotangco> hehe
[01:49] <jsgotangco> you know me
[01:50] <mdke> you'll have to take some sedatives if you're gonna be our secretary ;)
[01:50] <jsgotangco> i look panicky in irc, but im so composed personally
[01:50] <jsgotangco> (at least the yelp frontpage issue has been recognized)
[01:53] <mdke> is anyone else thinking froud is back on the team?
[01:53] <jsgotangco> he'll say that after the meeting
[01:54] <mdke> its not a question of saying it tho
[01:54] <mdke> he just obviously is
[01:54] <jsgotangco> he emailed me on thinking of his decision after this meeting
[02:12] <jsgotangco> hah
[02:17] <gtaylor> yay, they set me up on svn
[02:17] <jsgotangco> oh cool
[02:17] <judax> yeah, me too
[02:17] <jsgotangco> that's great guys welcome aboard
[02:17] <jsgotangco> *whew*
[02:17] <judax> :)
[02:17] <gtaylor> thanks, this will make it a lot easier to contribute
[02:18] <mdke> good old elmo
[02:18] <jsgotangco> definitely
[02:18] <mdke> look forward to you spamming the commit list from now on gtaylor 
[02:18] <mdke> and judax 
[02:18] <jsgotangco> yay
[02:18] <gtaylor> the assailment will begin tomorrow :)
[02:18] <jsgotangco> i can now mess up other stuff
[02:18] <jsgotangco> guys, feel free to change the screenshots
[02:18] <jsgotangco> my kubuntu box is so messed up
[02:19] <judax> hah
[02:19] <gtaylor> you should see my laptop :) the entire desktop is backwards
[02:19] <jsgotangco> consistency is the key like i said before
[02:22] <mdke> ?
[02:22] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:22] <jsgotangco> CHILL
[02:22] <jsgotangco> GOOSFRABA
[02:22] <mdke> yep
[02:22] <gtaylor> I haven't heard anyone else say that before :)
[02:22] <mdke> i'm cool
[02:22] <jsgotangco> what
[02:23] <jsgotangco> goosfraba?
[02:23] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:23] <gtaylor> goosfraba
[02:23] <gtaylor> I heard it like once
[02:23] <jsgotangco> i was watching anger management last night
[02:23] <jsgotangco> on dvd
[02:23] <gtaylor> ahh, ok
[02:23] <gtaylor> gotcha
[02:23] <mdke> its just that you guys go off topic and and don't come back ;)
[02:23] <judax> what is goosfraba?
[02:23] <gtaylor> helps you relax :)
[02:23] <jsgotangco> goosfraba...
[02:23] <gtaylor> say it
[02:23] <gtaylor> gooooosfraba
[02:23] <jsgotangco> yeeess...
[02:23] <mpt> yyyyyyyakkaboo
[02:23] <gtaylor> blah
[02:24] <jsgotangco> i still remember the porn girls in that movie
[02:24] <judax> hehe
[02:24] <gtaylor> speaking of which, time to call my woman
[02:24] <mdke> ok
[02:24] <jsgotangco> judax, gtaylor glad that you're in the ship
[02:24] <mdke> remind me to get plenty of sleep before the next docteam meetings
[02:24] <jsgotangco> i really appreciate the patches
[02:24] <judax> jsgotangco: glad to be here
[02:24] <mdke> yeah GREAT WORK judax and gtaylor 
[02:24] <gtaylor> jsgotangco: No problem, I look forward to helping more
[02:25] <jsgotangco> i wll wreak havoc in edubuntu now
[02:25] <gtaylor> Sounds like fun
[02:25] <jsgotangco> yeah its way different to what we currently do
[02:26] <mdke> right dudes I will write up minutes tomorrow
[02:26] <jsgotangco> even the documentation for it would be crack
[02:26] <mdke> unless anyone else has a burning desire
[02:26] <judax> mdke: sleep well
[02:26] <jsgotangco> mdke, if you want, i'll do it for you
[02:26] <jsgotangco> mdke, besides i called the meeting
[02:26] <jsgotangco> mdke, i appreciate you pitching in, i was late my fault
[02:26] <mdke> not at all
[02:26] <jsgotangco> i slept around 1:30AM
[02:26] <mdke> i fancy myself in that sort of role
[02:26] <mdke> its the lawyer in me
[02:27] <jsgotangco> ahh yes, my favorite barrister
[02:27] <mpt> I stayed up till about 5am writing HelpfulHelp
[02:27] <mdke> :p
[02:27] <mdke> mpt, sweet dreams, thanks for showing up man
[02:28] <jsgotangco> i will look into logs later
[02:28] <jsgotangco> i will also announce the new committers on list
[02:28] <judax> * 
[02:28] <mdke> jsgotangco, np I am quite happy to do it, got some time tomorrow and this weekend
[02:28] <judax> opps
[02:28] <jsgotangco> (also outside)
[02:28] <jsgotangco> mdke, ok toss a coin who will do it then
[02:28] <jsgotangco> i'll announce thenew committers for now
[02:28] <judax> drinking beer is much better than dreaming about it
[02:29] <mpt> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=307925 <-- now that's fast bug-fixing
[02:29] <mdke> if you want to do it, i don't mind
[02:29] <mdke> i had a bug closed in 9 minutes in bz.g.o :(
[02:29] <jsgotangco> mdke, if you don't see a summary before lunchtime in your side, do it
[02:30] <jsgotangco> i will review the logs in an hour
[02:30] <mdke> jsgotangco, i will see if I can catch you when I wake up ;)
[02:30] <mdke> thanks
[02:30] <mdke> jsgotangco, email sabdfl about that secretary business
[02:30] <jsgotangco> ok
[02:30] <mdke> you'll have to give up tea tho
[02:30] <jsgotangco> no way
[02:31] <jsgotangco> hi froud you should sleep
[02:33] <jdub> mpt: search acm for jane silber :)
[02:33] <jdub> mpt: actually 'jane silber help' :)
[02:34] <froud> yeah
[02:35] <jsgotangco> wow nice search results
[02:41] <mdke> man I need my laptop back
[02:41] <mdke> webmail is just the worst
[02:42] <judax> yeah webmail is no good, I suck my gmail down POP
[02:42] <mdke> i'm just waiting for my laptop to come home to pappa
[02:42] <judax> did it break?
[02:43] <mdke> not really
[02:43] <mdke> they repaired it, and forgot to put the clip back on where the power cord goes in
[02:43] <mdke> so I had to send it back AGAIN
[02:43] <judax> ah, that is not good
[02:44] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:44] <mdke> support for my laptop has been going downhill tho
[02:44] <jsgotangco> i download my emails for pop too
[02:44] <mdke> since kernel 2.6.7 2 massive issues have cropped up with acpi
[02:44] <jsgotangco> mdke, ask for one :)
[02:44] <judax> yeah, that is awesome that gmail does that
[02:44] <mdke> jsgotangco, you know I did :)
[02:45] <mdke> but dunno if i'll get one
[02:45] <judax> power has always been an issue
[02:45] <jsgotangco> i wish yahoo would do it too
[02:45] <jsgotangco> i have massive yahoo emails
[02:45] <mdke> jsgotangco, i noticed that yahoo.it and yahoo.uk does it
[02:45] <mdke> just yahoo.com doesn't
[02:45] <jsgotangco> hmm
[02:45] <jsgotangco> maybe i should get a yahoo.uk
[02:45] <judax> they do it
[02:45] <mdke> or tl
[02:45] <judax> you just have to pay for it
[02:45] <mdke> *grins*
[02:45] <mdke> yeah but .it and .uk do it for free
[02:45] <jsgotangco> im a sucker for freebies
[02:46] <judax> ah, in us they charge for it
[02:46] <judax> s/us/US
[02:46] <mdke> jsgotangco, i read in -devel that mjg has decided on the laptop list
[02:46] <jsgotangco> whoa he did
[02:46] <mdke> [20:44:42]  mjg59 We have a list of people, I just need to get in touch with them
[02:47] <jsgotangco> we'll see :-)
[02:47] <mdke> yep
[02:47] <jsgotangco> if it comes, it comes
[02:47] <mdke> in any case I wanna get these acpi issues fixed with my current one
[02:47] <mdke> because they suck ass
[02:48] <jsgotangco> what are you using?
[02:48] <judax> what kind of laptop
[02:48] <mdke> compaq presario 2100
[02:48] <jsgotangco> im just using a no name taiwan unit
[02:48] <jsgotangco> ouch
[02:48] <jsgotangco> compaqs suck
[02:48] <mdke> hey
[02:48] <mdke> don't slag off my baby
[02:48] <jsgotangco> sure they do
[02:48] <jsgotangco> the HP ones are way better
[02:48] <mdke> no issue with mine
[02:48] <mdke> except the linux bugs
[02:49] <jsgotangco> although i did see jbailey using an old compaq
[02:49] <jsgotangco> (the new compaqs are huge though)
[02:49] <judax> mdke: http://www.artifex.org/~dulles/compaq2100/
[02:49] <judax> have not read it, but it talks about acpi
[02:49] <mdke> judax, yeah i've seen lots of pages like that
[02:50] <judax> ok
[02:50] <mdke> just that the bugs have been introduced fairly recently
[02:50] <mdke> like since 2.6.8 for one, and 2.6.10 for the other
[02:50] <mdke> warty runs like a dream
[02:51] <judax> just won't sleep or suspend or hibernate?
[02:51] <mdke> judax, i might email that guy to ask if he has similar issues actually :)
[02:52] <mdke> no battery status, and no screen brightness changes when AC power is toggled
[02:52] <mdke> it won't suspend to ram or disk either, but thats no biggie for me
[02:53] <judax> yeah, suspend and sleep and all that never bothered me, but the brightness would be a show-stopper
[02:53] <mdke> its irritating
[02:53] <mdke> i can't change it at all since 2.6.10
[02:53] <jsgotangco> hehe
[02:53] <jsgotangco> its like a brick then
[02:53] <jsgotangco> its no better than the no name desknotes here
[02:53] <mdke> battery status is of course a massive issue
[02:54] <mdke> jsgotangco, the issues are not with the lappy but with the kernel
[02:54] <judax> yeah
[02:54] <jsgotangco> we actually have laptop style machines here with no batteries
[02:54] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[02:54] <mdke> windows works fine
[02:54] <jsgotangco> well
[02:54] <mdke> in fact I thought they were hardware issues until I tried windows
[02:54] <judax> hehe, doesn't it always
[02:54] <jsgotangco> windows aint that bad
[02:54] <jsgotangco> (if configured properly)
[02:55] <mdke> i hate it
[02:55] <judax> I keep windows around for my gaming
[02:55] <jsgotangco> i keep my xbox for that
[02:55] <jsgotangco> i just spent a fortune last month for a PSP
[02:55] <mdke> but i set it up and install some free apps and such and its just about bearable
[02:55] <judax> I love MMOs, to the point that I can hardly play anything else, it is a sickness
[02:55] <jsgotangco> judax, you play WoW?
[02:55] <judax> yeah, I got one of those too, they are fun
[02:56] <judax> I love it
[02:56] <judax> jsgotangco: yes
[02:56] <jsgotangco> judax, you can buy PSP porn over here
[02:56] <mdke> damn you all and your gadgets
[02:56] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:56] <mdke> are they expensive?
[02:56] <judax> jsgotangco: I have been reading that on slash and engadget
[02:56] <jsgotangco> PSP is quite expensive
[02:56] <mdke> I occasionally think about a gaming console
[02:57] <jsgotangco> i just do pocket gaming now
[02:57] <jsgotangco> i even use an N-Gage
[02:57] <jsgotangco> hideous for a phone though
[02:57] <mdke> man
[02:57] <mdke> where do you get these wonderful toys
[02:58] <jsgotangco> mdke, asia in general is a grey market
[02:58] <mdke> i will visit
[02:58] <jsgotangco> what's legal and what's not is actually not an issue
[02:58] <judax> I have an N-Gage too, never liked it much
[02:59] <judax> the new version looks better, but the borked the first one
[02:59] <jsgotangco> so don't be surprised if i have 1,000+ DVDs and game discs at home
[02:59] <jsgotangco> judax, i hate the new version, it doesnt have mp3 support but the media loading is nice
[02:59] <judax> having to remove the battery compartment to change games *GRR*
[02:59] <jsgotangco> the first version sucks so bad with the media slot
[02:59] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:00] <judax> then they never delivered on any network games right off
[03:00] <judax> 'corse PSP is lacking there too
[03:00] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:01] <jsgotangco> i bought my daughter a DS for her birthday, i like it more than our PSP
[03:01] <judax> jsgotangco: you like the PSP screen?
[03:01] <jsgotangco> not really
[03:01] <judax> DS is funner than you would think, touch screen can do alot
[03:02] <judax> jsgotangco: I mean the picture quality, I dont like the fingerprints all over the place
[03:02] <jsgotangco> same here
[03:02] <jsgotangco> mine even had 3 dead pixels when it shipped
[03:02] <judax> ah, that sucks
[03:03] <judax> I got lucky, but I have read alot about dead pixels
[03:03] <jsgotangco> yeah what sucks is that you can't return it if its less than 5 dead pixels
[03:04] <judax> Sony has never been a support-centric company
[03:05] <judax> jsgotangco: you play WoW?
[03:05] <jsgotangco> rarely now
[03:05] <jsgotangco> i switched to guild wars
[03:05] <judax> yeah, I have that too, it is fun, but been taking a break from all games for a couple weeks, been busy
[03:06] <jsgotangco> we're more spoiled with Korean MMOs though
[03:07] <jsgotangco> theyre so incredibly cheap here
[03:07] <judax> how much?
[03:07] <jsgotangco> $2 to $3 on the average per month
[03:07] <judax> bah
[03:07] <judax> hehe
[03:08] <judax> american arm of ncsoft is here in austin
[03:08] <judax> lots of game devel here
[03:08] <jsgotangco> yeah but ncsoft is pretty big
[03:09] <judax> yes it is
[03:09] <jsgotangco> (and pretty expensive)
[03:09] <mdke> ok nearly bed time
[03:09] <jsgotangco> there's gravity and hanbitsoft
[03:09] <jsgotangco> equally good
[03:09] <judax> mdke: night, take care
[03:10] <judax> are those korean?
[03:10] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:10] <jsgotangco> Ragnarok was done by Gravity
[03:10] <judax> ah, I know that one
[03:11] <jsgotangco> yeah the game is so hideous for some, but it has a huge following all over asia
[03:11] <judax> sony and blizzard don't hold a candle to the korean subscription numbers
[03:11] <jsgotangco> its so much bigger than FF XI
[03:12] <judax> ragnarok is?
[03:12] <jsgotangco> i did a temp job in Mu Online back then when they were setting up here
[03:12] <judax> bet that was fun
[03:13] <jsgotangco> the beta tests lasted months
[03:13] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:13] <jsgotangco> i was literally unproductive back then
[03:13] <judax> I feel that way quite a bit
[03:13] <jsgotangco> it really messed up my social life
[03:14] <jsgotangco> i was into 3 closed beta tests at the same time
[03:14] <judax> I used to play EQ like an madman, my wife was not happy, I am better with WoW
[03:14] <judax> but I got on spurts
[03:14] <jsgotangco> same here my wife complained a lot when i was into the closed beta tests of Tantra
[03:15] <judax> know the feeling
[03:15] <mdke> tantra?
[03:15] <mdke> i thought your wife should approve of that
[03:15] <judax> this a Sting thing?
[03:15] <jsgotangco> hah
[03:16] <jsgotangco> mdke, Tantra is a game, not Tantric sex
[03:16] <jsgotangco> let me rephrase the title, its Tantra Online
[03:17] <mdke> night
[03:17] <jsgotangco> night
[03:18] <judax> mdke: night
[03:18] <jsgotangco> there's also this very bad game called Khan
[03:18] <judax> why is it bad?
[03:19] <jsgotangco> korean games are just about leveling up
[03:19] <judax> bad = time
[03:20] <judax> the grind
[03:20] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:20] <jsgotangco> level grind
[03:20] <jsgotangco> i have no idea why the kids here dig it so much
[03:20] <jsgotangco> i haven't been plyaing them korean games for a while
[03:20] <jsgotangco> guild wars is quite refreshing
[03:20] <judax> guild wars is fun
[03:20] <judax> and FREE
[03:21] <judax> I have never been a PvP maniac, but they (guild wars) doing things right
[03:21] <jsgotangco> well not really FREE, but cheaper in the long run
[03:21] <judax> true
[03:22] <jsgotangco> i really like the aesthetics of it as well
[03:22] <jsgotangco> very nice use of anti-aliasing
[03:22] <judax> the graphics are beautiful
[03:22] <jsgotangco> yeah the score is great too
[03:22] <judax> player models are the best of any game I thin
[03:22] <judax> err think
[03:22] <jsgotangco> i used to fanboy a lot on game music then
[03:23] <jsgotangco> i got a pretty good collection
[03:23] <judax> cool
[03:25] <jsgotangco> judax, 
[03:25] <jsgotangco> about your email
[03:25] <judax> yes
[03:25] <jsgotangco> are you familiar with subversion
[03:25] <jsgotangco> or would rather use a gui way
[03:25] <jsgotangco> a gui way would  be more productive if you're just committing
[03:25] <judax> command line is fine, matters not, I am more familar with cvs
[03:26] <judax> gui is fine too, whatever is easier
[03:26] <jsgotangco> because as far as procedures with committing in our svn, there is none
[03:26] <judax> ok
[03:26] <jsgotangco> we grab what interests us
[03:26] <jsgotangco> (we should make it detailed in the future though)
[03:27] <jsgotangco> i use a gui called esvn
[03:27] <judax> ok
[03:27] <jsgotangco> you can do your command line svn on that as well so there's nothing to be missed
[03:27] <jsgotangco> it just makes things easier
[03:27] <judax> sounds good
[03:27] <mdke> COMMAND LINE IS EASIER!
[03:27] <judax> mdke: haha
[03:28] <jsgotangco> whatever works for you
[03:28] <jsgotangco> i prefer to see the general overview of trunk
[03:28] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:28] <judax> do you have an electrode connected to irc notifications?
[03:28] <mdke> i remembered I wanted to write a todo list for tomorrow
[03:28] <jsgotangco> judax, in case you didn't know, all commits are sent to ubuntu-doc-commits list
[03:29] <judax> 229 bst
[03:29] <jsgotangco> for notification
[03:29] <judax> ok, that is good to know
[03:29] <jsgotangco> its best to fill up global.ent for now instead of deleting entries
[03:30] <mdke> on no account delete entries in global.ent unless you've grepped the whole repository for them
[03:30] <mdke> ;)
[03:30] <jsgotangco> yes
[03:30] <judax> ok
[03:30] <mdke> otherwise links break
[03:30] <jsgotangco> all docs will break
[03:30] <jsgotangco> one way or another
[03:31] <jsgotangco> mdke, 
[03:31] <jsgotangco> a question
[03:31] <mdke> y0
[03:32] <jsgotangco> where do we put inactive contributors in current books?
[03:32] <jsgotangco> we still have to acknoledge them for some parts of the book came from them
[03:33] <mdke> my advice is to keep em in for now
[03:33] <mdke> what do you think?
[03:34] <jsgotangco> probably "past contributors"
[03:34] <jsgotangco> hmm
[03:34] <jsgotangco> well they do come in here once in a while
[03:34] <jsgotangco> you never know when they'll come back
[03:35] <mdke> yes
[03:35] <jsgotangco> hornbeck for example is writing a dead tree book
[03:35] <mdke> anyhow they have written parts of the docs
[03:35] <mdke> so they are contributors
[03:35] <jsgotangco> true
[03:35] <jsgotangco> i think froud once thought about this as well
[03:35] <jsgotangco> how to categorize such
[03:35] <mdke> yep
[03:35] <judax> looking at http://esvn.umputun.com/
[03:35] <mdke> i don't really think its a big issue tbh
[03:36] <jsgotangco> well i was just thinking of classifying who did most work per release instead of listing them all at once
[03:36] <mdke> i think that is unnecessarily heirarchical
[03:36] <mdke> we are a team
[03:37] <mdke> the work is communal
[03:37] <jsgotangco> well yeah
[03:38] <jsgotangco> im just hungry
[03:38] <mdke> for what?
[03:38] <jsgotangco> a meatbun would be good
[03:38] <mdke> ah
[03:38] <jsgotangco> i was in this hongkong style dimsum hawker stand lsat night
[03:38] <mdke> -> bed
[03:38] <jsgotangco> i zoned out for a while
[03:38] <mdke> no offence
[03:38] <jsgotangco> np
[03:38] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:38] <mdke> but i'm absolutely knackered
[03:39] <jsgotangco> it just sucks that my timzeone, most of the channels are quiet
[03:39] <mdke> hey you've got au and us right now
[03:39] <judax> what time in Manila?
[03:39] <jsgotangco> yes but the eu guys are better chatters IMO
[03:40] <mdke> very true
[03:40] <mdke> :)
[03:40] <mdke> night
[03:40] <jsgotangco> no offense meant to the US guys
[03:40] <mdke> AGAIN!
[03:40] <jsgotangco> hehe
[03:40] <jsgotangco> i used to live in chicago
[03:40] <judax> hehe
[03:40] <jsgotangco> judax, its 9:40AM
[03:40] <judax> ah
[03:41] <judax> you got up early
[03:41] <jsgotangco> way too early
[03:42] <judax> 842PM here, chicago time
[03:42] <jsgotangco> are you in chicago?
[03:42] <judax> yesterday
[03:42] <jsgotangco> ahh
[03:42] <judax> no Austin, TX
[03:43] <judax> same timezone
[03:43] <jsgotangco> my folks are actually naturalized citizens for decades but since i have a family here, i decided to stay herefor a while till my daughter grows up a bit
[03:44] <judax> good friend of mine spends alot of time in manila and ...
[03:45] <jsgotangco> and?
[03:45] <judax> oh hell, my brain is taking a vacation
[03:45] <judax> works for General Electirc
[03:46] <jsgotangco> ohhh
[03:46] <jsgotangco> GE is quite big here
[03:46] <jsgotangco> Power sector
[03:46] <judax> I thought he was doing something with water delivery, but I could be wrong
[03:46] <jsgotangco> hmm
[03:46] <jsgotangco> probably dam projects
[03:48] <judax> Indonesia
[03:48] <judax> that was the ...and...
[03:50] <judax> where, after your daughter grows up a bit?
[03:51] <jsgotangco> probably back in chicago where i spent my HS years but i've been thinking of moving somewhere else
[03:51] <jsgotangco> we've been thinking of Toronto or vancouver
[03:52] <judax> I like Chicago, never been to Toronto or Vancouver, but heard they are beautiful
[03:52] <jsgotangco> i've been to Toronto its quite lively
[03:52] <jsgotangco> i can actually live anywhere, but my wife prefers an urbanized area
[03:52] <judax> Toronto and Vancouver are on either sides of the map, hehe
[03:53] <jsgotangco> heh yeah
[03:53] <jsgotangco> ive been hearing good things about Victoria
[03:53] <jsgotangco> i can live in the northern territory if its possible
[03:53] <judax> friend of mine lives 3 hrs north of Edmonton
[03:54] <judax> I actually long for cold weather here in Austin, not from here
[03:59] <judax> esvn installed
[04:14] <judax> ah, I see froud has done a bunch of the docs for esvn, coo
[04:14] <judax> err cool
[05:10] <jsgotangco> judax, most of them are untouched lately though
[05:10] <jsgotangco> probably from the last merging from branch
[05:13] <judax> jsgotangco: hey
[05:14] <judax> using esvn, looking at /ubuntu-doc but when I drill down into the directories, say /utuntu-doc/kde/kquickguide/C there is nothing there
[05:14] <judax> complains about not finding the empty item
[05:16] <judax> top-level directories it sees things in like /ubuntu-doc/styleguide
[05:16] <judax> sees the doc in there but no lower
[05:23] <jsgotangco> if you select C, you'll see the document in the other pane
[05:27] <judax> hmm, I got something messed up then
[05:29] <judax> do I need to define a workspace, or should I be able to see all the stuff just pulling from the existing working svn directory?
[05:42] <robitaille> It's too bad I missed the meeting.  I wanted to show up, but it got crazy at work, and then I had to drive my kids somewhere.  I'll have to check the logs
[05:47] <judax> hmm, it works now, after sitting a bit, I see all the doc, strange
[05:47] <judax> oh well, good, now on to authentication
[05:48] <jsgotangco> robitaille, it was interesting nonetheless but a lot of stuff needs to be resolved as well
[05:48] <jsgotangco> a 22:00UTC meeting can be nasty to those in EU
[05:49] <robitaille> it was 3pm here in Victoria.  Which can be a good or a bad thing depending on the day.  Essentially the best times for me are usually between now and 8:00UTC
[05:50] <robitaille> i.e when  I'm not at work and  the kids are sleeping :)
[05:51] <robitaille> I still want to get more involves with this group in the semi-near future.  That's why I wanted to check the meeting.  Froud mentionned the system admin doc a while back, but I saw that this got shelved for Breezy
[05:52] <jsgotangco> robitaille, it doesn't mean that it can't be worked out right now, it just means it won't be packaged
[05:53] <robitaille> I know.  Anyway I'm sure I'll find something to do once I have some time to sit down and check things out.
[05:53] <jsgotangco> robitaille, the good news is that we have 2 new committer accounts done by elmo so it would lighten the load on other docs
[05:54] <jsgotangco> like i can wreak havoc in edubuntu now
[05:54] <jsgotangco> and even mess up with admin stuff for this team
[07:18] <jdub> robitaille: you're canadian?
[07:18] <robitaille> jdub,  yes
[07:18] <jdub> i am an idiot :-)
[07:18] <robitaille> ?
[07:18] <jdub> for some reason, i totally assumed you were french
[07:19] <robitaille> I'm french-canadian.  My first language in french
[07:19] <robitaille> but have lived/worked/stidies for 15 years in an english environment
[07:19] <robitaille> s/stidies/studies
[07:19] <jdub> yeah
[07:22] <robitaille> jdub,  I thought managing the ubuntu-ca mailing list would have been a good hint that I was not from France :)
[07:22] <jdub> heh
[07:22] <jdub> don't rub it in ;)
[07:24] <robitaille> out of curiosity, you must get so many admin e-mails for the ubuntu-users list for spam and e-mails from non-subscribers; it must get annoying; the ubuntu-ca gets its fair share and it is a small list.
[07:26] <Burgundavia> rofl
[07:27] <Burgundavia> jdub, robitaille and I live in the same city
[07:27] <Burgundavia> quite ironic
[07:27] <robitaille> but haven't manage to met yet.
[07:28] <jdub> robitaille: we intend to run the mailman spamassassin plugin when the lists are shifted
[07:29] <jdub> (they're hosted on a pooey machine)
[07:29] <robitaille> with jsgotangco talking of moving to Canada one day, maybe will attract him to Victoria, and this town will become quite an Ubuntu presence
[07:51] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:02] <robitaille> Canadian greetings to froud  and jsgotangco 
[09:06] <jsgotangco> hello
[09:17] <froud> African greetings
[09:17] <froud> jsgotangco: Congratulations on becoming secretary
[09:17] <froud> well deserved
[09:18] <froud> you have come a long way since joing the team, amazing :-)
[09:19] <froud> can anyone tell me who the chief honcho is at baz
[09:20] <froud> do they have a channel?
[09:24] <robitaille> #bazaar   maybe?
[09:25] <jsgotangco> me secretary?
[09:25] <froud> jsgotangco: yes, or was a reading wrong in the meeting
[09:26] <robitaille> I guess someone else has to read the irc logs of #ubuntu-meeting  besides me :)
[09:26] <jsgotangco> hmm i must have missed that
[09:26] <froud> why is that not what mark said?
[09:26] <jsgotangco> it was after all 6am
[09:26] <jsgotangco> hmm ok
[09:26] <froud> well you volunteered no
[09:27] <froud> robitaille: am I right
[09:27] <jsgotangco> oh right
[09:27] <robitaille> I wasn't there...and I'm about to read the logs;  So I'll stay neutral in this "debate" :)
[10:17] <froud> Hmmm the bazaar and bzr are really wide awake (not)
[10:32] <mdke> morning
[10:32] <froud> morn
[10:42] <jsgotangco> morning
[10:42] <mdke> [08:25:00]  jsgotangco me secretary?
[10:42] <mdke> hmm
[10:42] <mdke> he was at the meeting right?
[10:42] <jsgotangco> hmm?
[10:42] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:42] <jsgotangco> he was
[10:42] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:43] <mdke> [08:26:33]  froud well you volunteered no
[10:43] <mdke> i thought you did
[10:44] <jsgotangco> yes i did
[10:46] <jsgotangco> mdke, don't worrry about it
[10:48] <mdke> i won't
[10:52] <mdke> am I doing the meeting minutes today?
[11:01] <mdke> jsgotangco?
[12:05] <jsgotangco> hey
[12:05] <jsgotangco> sorry
[12:05] <jsgotangco> i was out
[12:05] <mdke> np
[12:05] <mdke> :)
[12:05] <jsgotangco> mdke, can you do the minutes?
[12:05] <mdke> yes
[12:05] <jsgotangco> (so sorry about this)
[12:05] <mdke> not a problem
[12:05] <jsgotangco> i was tracing some stuff that happened over here
[12:06] <jsgotangco> one guy was hacking shit in the network
[12:06] <mdke> lay the smackdown
[12:07] <jsgotangco> i didnt expect the word smackdown from an english guy
[12:07] <mdke> *grins*
[12:07] <mdke> american culture is everywhere
[12:08] <jsgotangco> would it be possible to ssh somewhere else in an existing ssh session?
[12:08] <mdke> yeah
[12:08] <jsgotangco> theres this guy here at work
[12:08] <mdke> you can ssh into a machine and ssh back into the first machine if you like
[12:09] <jsgotangco> yes
[12:09] <mdke> you can do ANYTHING
[12:09] <jsgotangco> no i was thinking this box got rooted
[12:09] <mdke> mwahhahaha
[12:09] <jsgotangco> then he ssh'ed to a local machine
[12:09] <jsgotangco> then ssh'ed again to another machine using the 2 rooted stuff
[12:09] <jsgotangco> (not this box)
[12:09] <jsgotangco> another one though
[12:10] <jsgotangco> i am not surprised if that's what happened
[12:10] <jsgotangco> he got stumped when he tried to get into the ubuntu box
[12:10] <mdke> Be RiGhT bAcK
[12:11] <jsgotangco> (he got into a local user though, but it doesn't contain anything)
[12:48] <jsgotangco> i gotta go
[12:48] <mdke> ok
[12:48] <mdke> night
[12:48] <jsgotangco> secretary
[12:48] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:51] <jsgotangco> mdke, ping?
[12:52] <mdke> yep
[12:53] <mdke> jsgotangco, pong
[12:53] <jsgotangco> oh nvm i remember you were going to do the minutes
[12:53] <jsgotangco> who's the new committer beside the 2?
[12:54] <mdke> judax, gtaylor, mvirkkil, jjesse
[12:54] <jsgotangco> ahhh 4!
[12:54] <jsgotangco> can you announce them as well?
[12:54] <mdke> alright
[12:55] <jsgotangco> thanks man, i'll make it with you real soon
[12:55] <mdke> :)
[12:55] <mdke> don't be so sure
[12:56] <jsgotangco> what do you mean
[12:56] <jsgotangco> :)
[12:56] <mdke> j/k
[12:57] <mdke> "make it"
[12:58] <jsgotangco> right, hack the source and make it happen
[12:58] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:02] <jjesse> froud is there a place to go to learn how to commit via svn now that i have a username and password?
[03:03] <froud> jjesse: what do you want to comit?
[03:03] <jjesse> nothing now, but in the future
[03:03] <froud> ok let say you have a file changed
[03:03] <froud> foo.xml
[03:03] <jjesse> nod 
[03:04] <froud> for now just cd to that dir
[03:04] <froud> then do svn commit foo.xml
[03:04] <froud> you will be given chance to enter a message
[03:04] <froud> save and exit
[03:04] <froud> and you will be prompted for username on first commit
[03:05] <froud> the password is the same as your pgp key
[03:05] <froud> the password you use for your key
[03:05] <jjesse> ok
[03:05] <froud> not  the key istelf
[03:05] <jjesse> understanding now
[03:05] <froud> try a small test now
[03:06] <jjesse> i've used cvs before and i always had to setup a CVSROOT before
[03:06] <froud> make a small change in a file 
[03:06] <jjesse> which is cumbersome
[03:06] <froud> yes, your user pass details are stored in the repos .svn
[03:07] <froud> once you have done a commit you will not have give details again
[03:08] <froud> in baz you also have to set your id
[03:08] <froud> baz my-id "Joe User <joe@example.com>"
[03:09] <froud> but you do it just once, the email must just match thatused in the pgp key
[03:09] <jjesse>  ok
[03:10] <jjesse> question on the password
[03:10] <froud> so with baz, providing you use the same email and pgp key you should be able to to it once
[03:10] <jjesse> i received a password from james troup do i use that password or my key password?
[03:10] <froud> yes
[03:11] <froud> that user and pass is associated with your pgp key siginature on the server
[03:11] <jjesse> ok succesfful committ
[03:11] <froud> it should correspond with the key on your system
[03:11] <froud> nice
[03:11] <froud> easy
[03:12] <froud> sorry it took so long to get you that
[03:12] <jjesse> no worries i was slow on my end thank you very much for the help
[03:12] <jjesse> now i have to get back to work :(
[03:12] <froud> just did not realize that you did not have commit
[03:12] <froud> cool
[03:12] <jjesse> off topic did you hear about the bbc and the beethoven symphonies
[03:13] <froud> no :-)
[03:14] <jjesse> yeah they are releasing the full symphonies in .mp3 format
[03:14] <jjesse> but i missed downloading the first two :(
[03:15] <froud> he he you like that stuff?
[03:15] <jjesse> its good music to work w/
[03:15] <jjesse> drowns out the crappy overhead music that is playing
[03:15] <jjesse> i hate eleveator music
[03:15] <froud> ah yes
[03:16] <froud> anything is better than that
[03:16] <froud> I like the orchestra live
[03:16] <froud> but when I work it my be dead silent
[03:17] <froud> I mean a cricket can anoy me
[03:17] <froud> :-)
[03:17] <froud> the telephone even gives me a fright when I get deep into something
[03:17] <jjesse> i have to have sound
[03:32] <jjesse> i hate subnetting
[03:32] <froud> why?
[03:33] <jjesse> i'm not good at it
[03:33] <froud> it's not hard once you get the hang of it
[03:33] <froud> thank moses for subnetting
[03:33] <froud> what would we do without it
[03:34] <jjesse> i know but i'm configuring my cisco pix and need to come up w/ the correct range of ip address to open up for a company to access a certain program remotely
[05:39] <judax> Texas-sized Greetings
[05:40] <mdke> mmm
[05:40] <mdke> i'd like a texas sized hamburger right now
[05:40] <judax> yes, so would I, I am hungry!
[05:40] <judax> mdke: quick question
[05:41] <judax> reading the conversation froud and jjesse had earlier
[05:41] <judax> so, the password elmo sent with the svn account is not the one to use?
[05:41] <judax> should use gpg key passphrase?
[05:46] <mdke> here i am
[05:46] <mdke> no don't let them confuse you ;)
[05:46] <mdke> elmo should have sent you the password encrypted with your key
[05:46] <mdke> you can decrypt it and see the password
[05:46] <mdke> thats the one to use
[05:50] <judax> ok, thx, that was confusing me, elmo did just that
[05:51] <mdke> for security purposes
[05:51] <judax> understood
[05:53] <mdke> ;)
[06:17] <mdke> phillip cain around?
[06:24] <mdke> hi JonA 
[06:26] <JonA> Hi there :-)
[06:41] <mdke> hi there philipacamaniac 
[06:41] <mdke> thanks for helping on the homepages thing
[06:41] <philipacamaniac> yeah, the wiki needs help, so i'm helping :)
[06:42] <mdke> start from g if you wanna do more now, i'm just doing a bit
[06:42] <philipacamaniac> Thanks. Speaking of help, should the old comments on pages be moved to /talk pages?
[06:43] <mdke> yes in theory
[06:43] <mdke> but I wouldn't make an organised initiative out of it
[06:43] <mdke> probably best to do it for the pages you care about ;)
[06:43] <philipacamaniac> not yet anyway... perhaps because subpages currently reside in talk?
[06:44] <mdke> well they can be put under a different heading
[06:44] <philipacamaniac> I just did the G's so you can take them out
[06:45] <mdke> kewl
[06:45] <mdke> done
[06:45] <mdke> tell you what
[06:46] <mdke> i'll start at the bottom from now on
[06:46] <mdke> that way we won't clash ;)
[06:46] <philipacamaniac> that'll work!
[06:46] <mdke> i wonder how many tabs firefox can handle
[06:47] <philipacamaniac> I've been wondering the same...
[06:50] <mdke> blooming loads
[06:58] <philipacamaniac> oh crap, what to do about those messed up names? (ones with special characters?)
[06:59] <philipacamaniac> does the new wiki not accept special characters in wikinames?
[07:03] <mdke> example url?
[07:03] <philipacamaniac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikkoVirkkil_c3_a4
[07:03] <philipacamaniac> MikkoVirkkil
[07:04] <philipacamaniac> "c3 a4" representing the ""
[07:05] <mdke> guess not
[07:05] <mdke> i tried to rename it right now, it has gone to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikkoVirkkil%c3%a4
[07:06] <philipacamaniac> hmm, looking at how it is printed on a search page, it looks correct. so I guess it is just URLs
[07:06] <mdke> we're discovering lots of things with this damn wiki transfer
[07:06] <mdke> yeah looks like it works within the wiki, just the URL
[07:06] <mdke> if you want to flag it up on that thread for henrik, go ahead tho
[07:06] <mdke> you on M already?
[07:06] <mdke> damn fast
[07:06] <philipacamaniac> firefox tabs are our friends
[07:09] <mdke> yeah
[07:09] <mdke> i'm gonna take a break
[07:09] <mdke> arm is falling off
[07:09] <philipacamaniac> :)
[07:13] <philipacamaniac> what should I do about MarksHoaryGoals
[07:14] <philipacamaniac> he has a separate homepage
[07:14] <mdke> check for backlinks
[07:14] <mdke> then delete if it has none
[07:15] <mdke> hang on
[07:15] <philipacamaniac> you don't think the info should be saved?
[07:15] <mdke> lets ask him
[07:17] <mdke> actually it seems to be linked in his homepage
[07:17] <philipacamaniac> okay, missed that
[07:17] <mdke> don't categorise it, just leave it
[07:17] <philipacamaniac> right
[07:18] <mdke> i guess the importer has put all subpages of UserPages on the /talk page too
[07:18] <philipacamaniac> oh boy, more fun!
[07:18] <mdke> sent a call to help on the list
[08:59] <HappyFool> i hope this is the right place for this: the link "https://site-edit.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/folder_contents" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation is broken -- this is a bit frustrating, as the UserDocumentation page has been drastically shortened
[08:59] <HappyFool> and it's now difficult to find docs
[09:00] <judax> thx for the link, I believe we have people working on some of these issues
[09:00] <philipacamaniac> try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation?action=edit
[09:00] <Kinnison> k
[09:00] <Kinnison> w/w
[09:00] <Kinnison> sorry
[09:01] <philipacamaniac> oh wait... sorry, I think I see what you mean
[09:01] <HappyFool> i'd edit it, but i don't know what to do ;)
[09:01] <HappyFool> well, where to point it
[09:03] <philipacamaniac> how about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex
[09:07] <HappyFool> looks promising
[09:08] <philipacamaniac> if no one minds, I'll go ahead and fix the rest of the broken links on that page
[09:14] <mako> gtaylor: hey, you around?
[09:14] <mako> mdke: ?
[09:14] <mako> Seveas: you too?
[09:15] <mako> anywya.. there is a forums meeting in #ubuntu-meeting any or all of you should show up if you can
[09:15] <mako> i would apppreciate it
[09:17] <squinn> mako, i was just not-so-kindly asked to leave
[09:18] <squinn> but it's alright
[09:20] <squinn> mako, take those lines out of the log..issue resolved..i'm too stupid to take a joke
[09:22] <squinn> Hey, docteam-ers?
[09:22] <gtaylor> mako: Yes?
[09:23] <mako> squinn: that was a joke dude
[09:24] <mako> :)
[09:24] <squinn> mako, we talked it out
[09:24] <mako> cool
[09:24] <squinn> mako, i had to think about it
[09:24] <squinn> until i realized it made absolutely zero sense..and was invited back in
[09:29] <squinn> Are the minutes from the meeting yesterday online yet?
[09:36] <froud> what caused the problems at the forums
[09:38] <squinn> from what i understand, it just seems like routine maintenance meeting
[09:39] <froud> no some problem
[09:44] <squinn> Oh, ok.
[09:48] <gtaylor> of course they're making little interjectory statements about docteam members, mdke you might want to hop in
[09:48] <froud> which members
[09:48] <froud> I see no comments
[09:48] <squinn> yeah, neither do i
[09:51] <gtaylor> you wouldn't, you weren't involved in the scuffle
[10:43] <gtaylor> there are like 8 moderators and 3 users there
[11:16] <froud> well chaps
[11:16] <froud> night
[11:16] <judax> froud: night
[11:16] <froud> judax: ;-)