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| Unfrgiven | \sh: ping | 01:12 |
| \sh | Unfrgiven: pong | 01:14 |
| Unfrgiven | hey dude | 01:16 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: got ur email | 01:16 |
| Unfrgiven | \sh: jst got into work... :) ill take a look at gmetadom now | 01:16 |
| \sh | ok :) | 01:17 |
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| Unfrgiven | what does "CCDEPMODE = depmode=gcc3" mean in makefiles? im trying to build a package right now that seems to want gcc-3.4 and I have a feeling its because of the depmode | 02:55 |
| plugwash | tried removing it and seeing what happens? | 02:57 |
| Unfrgiven | not yet... the package has heaps of the instances | 02:58 |
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| |QuaD- | /topic | 03:44 |
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| schweeb | wake the hell up | 05:27 |
| Unfrgiven | im having a problem with a package at the moment. when doing a pbuilder build, it fails as it can't find gcc-3.4. but the source doesnt have any reference to gcc-3.4. what gives?!? | 05:51 |
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| ivoks | i'm going slightly mad... :) | 10:43 |
| \sh | "queen" | 10:44 |
| \sh | morning ivoks | 10:45 |
| ivoks | morning | 10:45 |
| ivoks | "queer" :) | 10:45 |
| \sh | no..."I#m going slightly mad" is a quote out of a queen song :) | 10:45 |
| ivoks | i know :) | 10:45 |
| ivoks | my brother is big fan... :) | 10:46 |
| === \sh too :) | ||
| ivoks | omg | 10:47 |
| ivoks | another one :) | 10:47 |
| ivoks | sh you are from germany, right? | 10:48 |
| \sh | ivoks: yes | 10:49 |
| ivoks | you guys love ISDN there, as much as we love it here | 10:49 |
| ivoks | :) | 10:49 |
| ivoks | i don't know how to set up ISDN on 2.6 kernels :( | 10:49 |
| \sh | ivoks: the last time i used isdn was 1999 | 10:50 |
| ivoks | hehe | 10:50 |
| ivoks | i never used it... but i have one client that has dial-up system | 10:51 |
| ivoks | and i can't get it work with 2.6 | 10:51 |
| \sh | with kernel 2.2 and isdn4linux and a leased isdn line :) so don't ask me about isdn...ping ogra..he's an ISDN fetishist ;) | 10:51 |
| ivoks | :) | 10:51 |
| ivoks | ok | 10:51 |
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| ogra | \sh, what ? | 11:11 |
| ivoks | ogra: do you use isdn with 2.6 kernel? | 11:13 |
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| siretart | ivoks: I read that hoarys kernel has some avm binary modules shipped. should work with them | 11:25 |
| siretart | ivoks: if you cannot or don't want to use them, you would need the misdn kernel patch for kernel 2.6 | 11:26 |
| ivoks | heh... then it will be misdn | 11:26 |
| ivoks | i used manna before | 11:26 |
| ivoks | it loaded hisax modul which detected my ISDN card | 11:27 |
| ivoks | now, hisax doesn't detect that same ISDN card | 11:27 |
| siretart | yes, but is hisax working on 2.6 kernels at all? I read that is was not, (or at least is deprecated) | 11:28 |
| siretart | ivoks: btw, I tried out wifi-radar. I had problems on my madwifi, when I try to connect, i don't get an ip address | 11:31 |
| ogra | ivoks, i use isdn if its necessary (i.e. if i just moved house....) which wasnt the case since a year or so.... and i helped testing the binary AVM drivers for hoary, thats all i have to do with isdn | 11:31 |
| ogra | ivoks, you dont want to use hiasx with a 2.6 kernel | 11:32 |
| siretart | ivoks: so I had an iwevent running and inspected what was going on: each time the card got associated to an AP, it lost that association immediatly. I think thats a madwifi specific issue, will need to debug wifi-radar to see what it does. | 11:32 |
| siretart | I also had a look at the wpa functionality: it requires the user to have a working /etc/wpasupplicant.conf. Then it could work (haven't tested it myself, but that approach could work) | 11:34 |
| ivoks | ok | 11:37 |
| ivoks | then i will use 2.4 kernels for that for some time... | 11:37 |
| ivoks | thanks guys | 11:37 |
| ivoks | siretart: on ipw2200 works ok | 11:38 |
| siretart | ivoks: I had the chance to let an ipw2100 user try it out. there I didn't see that problem | 11:42 |
| siretart | ivoks: there was another one: when connecting to an AP: wifi-radar spit out an error message "Address could not be assigned" or something | 11:43 |
| siretart | but the interface had an ip, and connection was there :) | 11:44 |
| ivoks | ? | 11:46 |
| siretart | strange, I was confused, too ;) | 11:48 |
| ivoks | hm... | 11:59 |
| ivoks | when i start programs with python i get: | 12:00 |
| ivoks | 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback | 12:00 |
| ivoks | No installed Python found. | 12:00 |
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| ivoks | and that's in hoary... | 12:00 |
| ogra | hey lesliev | 12:01 |
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| ogra | nice to see you | 12:02 |
| Mez | me? | 12:02 |
| Mez | aw thanks | 12:02 |
| ogra | Mez, you too, yes *grin* | 12:02 |
| lesliev | hey! | 12:05 |
| ogra | lesliev, siretart is the guy to talk to about game fixes ;) | 12:07 |
| lesliev | hiya siretart ;-) | 12:08 |
| siretart | huhu lesliev | 12:09 |
| siretart | :) | 12:09 |
| lesliev | I have a .desktop and a icon for sopwith. My packaging attempts are not too good yet, but I have the files. | 12:10 |
| lesliev | Do I upload them to malone? | 12:10 |
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| siretart | lesliev: you may upload them to malone, or mail them to me: siretart@tauware.de | 12:12 |
| lesliev | BTW: in the .desktop I put sopwith in category ArcadeGame and that didn't seem to work. So I put it in 'Game' | 12:12 |
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| lesliev | k | 12:12 |
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| \sh | ha lesliev | 12:12 |
| \sh | "So tomorrow I sign the contract and then God-willing I will immediately start a C++ development contract" | 12:13 |
| \sh | yes...thats what we need...c++ hackers...kde hackers ;) | 12:13 |
| === Lathiat laughs | ||
| ogra | bah | 12:13 |
| ogra | \sh, there is gtkmm, what for do we need KDE ? | 12:13 |
| Lathiat | c++ is icky | 12:14 |
| Lathiat | python is where its at | 12:14 |
| Lathiat | .. running on mono :) | 12:14 |
| ogra | yay | 12:14 |
| \sh | ogra: I did the transition at least for one gtkmm version...it's a lot of stupid code in there ;) | 12:14 |
| ogra | \sh, tell that to murrac ;) | 12:14 |
| \sh | building c++ code from templates...*buah* | 12:15 |
| ogra | \sh, and dont tell it to loud if dholbach is around, he's a murrac fanboy | 12:15 |
| ogra | murrayc, sorry | 12:15 |
| \sh | thats just like awk+sed+perl are creating mono bindings for oracle ;) | 12:15 |
| \sh | actually i fixed it | 12:16 |
| \sh | but anyways... lesliev is another potential supporter of my biltong ZA -> DE connection | 12:17 |
| lesliev | ?? | 12:18 |
| \sh | lesliev: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/18-Daylight-Robbery.html | 12:18 |
| ogra | lesliev, he is looking for someone to send him tons of biltong.... | 12:18 |
| lesliev | ha! | 12:19 |
| \sh | not only me :) | 12:19 |
| ogra | \em thinks \sh should ask canonical for a bounty and payment in biltong | 12:20 |
| \sh | ogra: ask mark the next time, to provide u with some gramms of biltong :) u will be an addict in no time :) | 12:20 |
| ogra | emm... /me indeed.... | 12:20 |
| lesliev | I like the biltong mafia idea | 12:22 |
| lesliev | Bootleg Biltong | 12:22 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:tseng] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks | ||
| tseng | unless your name is Nafallo and you feel the need to complain about the same things three times :) | 12:22 |
| Lathiat | heh | 12:22 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:ogra] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks | no, we dont pay fixed packages in biltong | ||
| \sh | hihihi | 12:24 |
| lesliev | unfortunately I have never been to Germany and don't know anyone who goes regularly | 12:24 |
| tseng | so that picture in your blog | 12:24 |
| tseng | is disgusting | 12:24 |
| lesliev | My brother is in the UK tho... | 12:24 |
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| \sh | lesliev: well...send it via uk to germany...no customs ;) | 12:24 |
| lesliev | hehe | 12:25 |
| lesliev | And how do I get tons of Biltong to the UK?? | 12:25 |
| \sh | lesliev: ship container airbus 380 | 12:25 |
| \sh | depends on you ;) | 12:25 |
| lesliev | you have mad cow disease! | 12:26 |
| ogra | heh | 12:26 |
| Mithrandir | lesliev: that's not a problem unless you ship something back | 12:26 |
| \sh | lesliev: I can provide good beer in return :) | 12:27 |
| \sh | but no...u have good beer in za as well | 12:27 |
| tseng | i dont imagine beer travels very well | 12:27 |
| Mithrandir | it does, actually. | 12:27 |
| Mithrandir | not pilsener and such, but real beer is fine. | 12:27 |
| Mithrandir | IPA was developed to withstand the sea travel to India. | 12:28 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: what is "real beer"? | 12:28 |
| Mithrandir | IPA, porter, stouts, lots of ales. | 12:28 |
| === ogra tried the .no beer.... thats really good | ||
| Mithrandir | bitter. | 12:28 |
| lesliev | Seriously: I'll look into it. It can't be too hard. | 12:28 |
| lesliev | I know a guy who does imports and exports into Africa | 12:28 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: it _really_ depends. The pilseners are sad and shitty. | 12:28 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, i have no idea what was in the glass :) but it tasted very good | 12:29 |
| \sh | lesliev: u read about the prices for biltong here in germany...it's ridiculus | 12:29 |
| tseng | i know a guy you can send a medicine mask to | 12:29 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: heh. | 12:29 |
| tseng | it would validate his life | 12:29 |
| \sh | ogra: .no beer? hahaha...u mean pee of an polarbear | 12:29 |
| lesliev | Now biltong is about R75 per kilo, so a ton will come to R75000 without tax and duties. | 12:29 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: I'll see if I can bring some _really_ nice beer for the next conf. | 12:30 |
| lesliev | Cany uoi put that in my account so long? | 12:30 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: we have some excellent beers too, but as I say, the lagers aren't much to look at. | 12:30 |
| \sh | lesliev: so...less then 10 euros for 1kg of game chili biltong :) | 12:30 |
| tseng | what do we need to fix to make apt not want to remove half my desktop? | 12:36 |
| tseng | libx11? | 12:38 |
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| siretart | re | 12:43 |
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| siretart | lesliev: I got your mail, thank you for your contribution | 12:45 |
| siretart | lesliev: when I get home, I will integrate them into sopwith and prepare an upload | 12:45 |
| lesliev | siretart: cool! If it would not be too much trouble, could you write a little howto as you do it? | 01:00 |
| lesliev | Or record your keys with screen or something and let me have that? | 01:00 |
| lesliev | I am eager to be able to mod packages and reading the docs is taking so looong! | 01:01 |
| lesliev | sh: I'm sure I can send you some biltong. I'll find out how to do it over the weekend. | 01:04 |
| lesliev | email me your shipping address: leslie@camary.co.za | 01:08 |
| siretart | lesliev: when I get home, yes. For now, you could look at the debian docs. try to dpkg-source -x package.dsc file, check out the files in debian/ and try to undestand them. the debian new maintainer guide should have all information you need (though it may be quite a big lecture ;)) | 01:10 |
| lesliev | I am half-way with the maint guide. It tells you to read a whole lot more docs. I'll read more tonight. | 01:11 |
| siretart | you don't need to understand everything in the docs. they are more a reference than a tutorial or howto. but its good to know where to look if necessary | 01:12 |
| siretart | perhaps I should write a wikipage PackageModificationHowto.. | 01:12 |
| lesliev | YAY! | 01:13 |
| lesliev | I got stuck where you add files to a package - I ran debuild and it complained about that | 01:14 |
| \sh | lesliev: don't worry about it :) next year I want to visit again ZA...so I will take some with me then :) | 01:14 |
| lesliev | sh: ok ;-) | 01:15 |
| lesliev | If you modify files I think it builds a diff package, but you can't add files | 01:16 |
| ogra | lesliev, you can.... | 01:16 |
| ogra | lesliev, they way is just not easy or obvious | 01:17 |
| \sh | hmmm..why has patrick his ubuntu cds and I don't have mine :( | 01:20 |
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| lesliev | well *that* needs to be in some doc | 01:22 |
| lesliev | In fact, a usefule package modder's howto will need to include "making a new package", "changing and submitting a package" and, if different, "adding to an submitting a package" | 01:23 |
| lesliev | Also: "repackaging an rpm" would be nice | 01:25 |
| siretart | lesliev: perhaps you could provide a very raw template page, with the structure of the you would expect. I could then fill information and references where to look | 01:26 |
| \sh | lesliev: adding to a package is done via upstream normally ;) | 01:26 |
| siretart | lesliev: you can convert .rpms to .deb with alien | 01:26 |
| lesliev | But not always - .desktop file case in point | 01:26 |
| \sh | lesliev: oh...those things are easy | 01:26 |
| lesliev | Alien works but you still need to play with things to make a proper deb package | 01:27 |
| lesliev | I'll do the template, good idea. Where in the wiki should I put it? | 01:27 |
| lesliev | Alien doesn't seem to do dependencies properly. I suppose it can't. | 01:31 |
| lesliev | It also seems to trip up on install scripts a bit | 01:31 |
| siretart | lesliev: I would suggest under "MOTU" - Useful Links for MOTU's | 01:31 |
| lesliev | ok, I'll start the page over the weekend | 01:32 |
| siretart | no, alien cannot consider dependencies correctly. you would have to repackage it to do it properly. | 01:32 |
| siretart | great! :) | 01:32 |
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| tivek | hi all... sorry to if I'm barging in. I have a question about the gpib packages... | 01:50 |
| Lathiat | How can I find out why libnss-mdns isn't being synced from sid? | 02:01 |
| tseng | is there a thing for it in ~scott? | 02:02 |
| Lathiat | nope | 02:02 |
| Lathiat | if you mean people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/ | 02:02 |
| tseng | yes | 02:02 |
| Lathiat | nerp | 02:02 |
| Lathiat | tseng: so who do i ask? | 02:06 |
| tseng | elmo. | 02:07 |
| tseng | erm just ask him and he will respond later | 02:07 |
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| elmo | eh, it's not being auto-synced because the version has 'ubuntu' in it | 02:18 |
| Lathiat | elmo: yeh i discovered the story | 02:20 |
| Lathiat | jeff packaged it | 02:20 |
| Lathiat | someone took that, packaged it for debian | 02:20 |
| Lathiat | and jeff hasnt updated it | 02:20 |
| tseng | thats because jeff isnt a packager | 02:21 |
| tseng | he just likes to pretend | 02:21 |
| tseng | :D | 02:21 |
| Lathiat | ;p | 02:21 |
| \sh | fixing packages | 02:47 |
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| lesliev | gotta go: ;-) | 02:58 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 03:03 |
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| \sh | ivoks: your openscenegraph is passed :) | 03:15 |
| ivoks | i know :) | 03:16 |
| ivoks | thanx | 03:16 |
| ivoks | nice... whole mobile network collapsed | 03:24 |
| ivoks | fscking A1 :( | 03:24 |
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| ivoks | yay! | 03:58 |
| ivoks | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 98909 2005-06-16 17:20 /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h | 03:58 |
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| ivoks | hm... if fedora allready did release based on gcc/g++4 | 04:34 |
| ivoks | then they are loaded with patches :) | 04:34 |
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| ivoks | yuhu! blender compiled with gcc4, builded on i386 | 04:52 |
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| ivoks | hi crimsun | 05:14 |
| lesliev | ivoks: did you have to tweak it? | 05:16 |
| ivoks | lesliev: i patched it | 05:19 |
| ivoks | fedora has that simple patch for it | 05:19 |
| ivoks | https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-commits/2005-May/msg01024.html | 05:19 |
| ivoks | oneliner | 05:19 |
| lesliev | ah | 05:27 |
| lesliev | good! | 05:27 |
| \sh | re | 05:28 |
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| \sh | anyone with a ppc machine? | 05:50 |
| ivoks | mope | 05:57 |
| ivoks | nope | 05:57 |
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| jamessan|work | \sh: I have one at home | 06:20 |
| \sh | jamessan|work: could u do me a favour? | 06:20 |
| \sh | jamessan|work: get this hdf5 source package and try to build it from source for breezy | 06:21 |
| jamessan|work | I can try that when I get home (in about 4 hours) | 06:21 |
| \sh | would be very kind of u :) | 06:22 |
| jamessan|work | lunch time | 06:22 |
| \sh | so..and now I go and have a shower...and after that...going to an irish pub named jamessons :) | 06:22 |
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| siretart | hi folks | 06:35 |
| siretart | I'm trying to fix sfs in breezy. I located the problem, /usr/bin/rpcgen does not create sourcefiles for consumption with gcc-4 :/ | 06:36 |
| siretart | how should I proceed? | 06:36 |
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| pef | hello ! | 07:26 |
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| pef | Within few words, how can I help you ? | 07:36 |
| ivoks | ? | 07:37 |
| siretart | HA! | 07:38 |
| siretart | it is an own, buggy rpc generator, and I think I located the bug | 07:38 |
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| bradb | have any of you guys entered malone via https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone ? | 08:25 |
| bradb | just wondering if anyone has, and could describe to me a bit what they thought about the process of going from /malone to getting to the right place to search and report bugs on a thing | 08:26 |
| Lathiat | bradb: well, for a start, theres no clear starting point for a search | 08:28 |
| Lathiat | instead i have 2 half-search options (distro, assigned) | 08:28 |
| Lathiat | after clicking down the distro line i learn i can search from there, but thats not entirely obvious,and what if i want to search among alldistros? | 08:29 |
| Lathiat | bradb: also doing an advanced search cuasesa system error. ;) | 08:30 |
| bradb | Lathiat: it does indeed. i have a fix for that that just needs to be rolled out | 08:31 |
| bradb | Lathiat: interesting points about /malone. i feel the same way. | 08:31 |
| Lathiat | the 2 options that are there arent so bad,but there should be a clear "search" option | 08:31 |
| bradb | Lathiat: when you come to /malone, what are you expecting to do? | 08:31 |
| Lathiat | bradb: search for my bug to see if its already reported | 08:32 |
| tseng | when i come there i am expecting to click something like My Bugs and see the listing | 08:32 |
| tseng | which works, but the wording of it seems odd | 08:33 |
| bradb | like bugzilla eh | 08:33 |
| tseng | # | 08:33 |
| tseng | # Assigned Bug Reports - retrieve reports on bugs assigned to a specific person | 08:33 |
| Lathiat | also under file bug, it says something about "CCmanually" if its a private bug, but theres no option on that page or CCing and thebutton says 'Add' which indicates to me that thats the last step | 08:34 |
| tseng | i almost always want bugs assigned to *me* | 08:34 |
| tseng | which is what it gives you | 08:34 |
| tseng | but the wording is small | 08:34 |
| Lathiat | yeh that page shows yours by default | 08:34 |
| Lathiat | with a search | 08:34 |
| Lathiat | that should be worded better | 08:34 |
| Lathiat | the actual interface seems to be pretty cool tho | 08:34 |
| tseng | "If you're not sure, start here." | 08:35 |
| tseng | this is almost certainly wrong for "file a bug" | 08:35 |
| Lathiat | yeh you should be searching | 08:35 |
| tseng | in an ideal world everyone will search first thing | 08:35 |
| Lathiat | perhaps enter the package nameand view recent reports,or popular reports | 08:36 |
| tseng | both would be useful | 08:36 |
| Lathiat | with the option to search further | 08:36 |
| Lathiat | also when i login i specify 'lathiat@bur.st' | 08:37 |
| Lathiat | but i seem indications about 'lathiat' | 08:37 |
| Lathiat | like on the mybugs page, the deault assignee is 'lathiat' | 08:37 |
| bradb | ah, yes | 08:37 |
| tseng | ah we have a motu group now | 08:38 |
| bradb | what about, say, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs ? what are your thoughts on that page? | 08:40 |
| tseng | oh wow | 08:40 |
| tseng | hang on | 08:40 |
| tseng | i did view distro bugs, right | 08:40 |
| tseng | it shows me a big list | 08:40 |
| tseng | i see a bug that belongs to me, and click it | 08:40 |
| tseng | i have NFC how to assign it to myself | 08:41 |
| tseng | do i "subscribe"? | 08:41 |
| Lathiat | or "edit bug details" | 08:41 |
| bradb | that's really confusing, indeed | 08:41 |
| tseng | edit bug doesnt help | 08:41 |
| bradb | i'd say the same thing if i were you guys ;) | 08:42 |
| Lathiat | hehe | 08:42 |
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| tseng | can i get a clue? :P | 08:42 |
| tseng | bradb: but dude i like that second view much better | 08:43 |
| Lathiat | like, people could mess with bugs,and updates really shouldbe in comments no? | 08:43 |
| tseng | bradb: as a maintainer | 08:43 |
| bradb | tseng: gimme an example bug and let's walk through it | 08:43 |
| tseng | 1028 | 08:43 |
| bradb | or rather, you walk me through it | 08:43 |
| bradb | ok, 1028 | 08:43 |
| tseng | ok, i told you how i got here | 08:43 |
| tseng | from there I clicked edit bug | 08:43 |
| tseng | and am now "stuck" | 08:43 |
| bradb | tseng: look at the "Needs fixing in..." part of the page | 08:44 |
| tseng | see it | 08:44 |
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| bradb | tseng: talk to me about that part of the page | 08:45 |
| tseng | ok so its not obvious to me that that part of the page has an "action" | 08:45 |
| tseng | all the actions are, obviously, in the action bar | 08:45 |
| tseng | assigning a bug is a common action i would want to do | 08:46 |
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| tseng | the link "ubuntu tomboy" in no way suggests to me that its the way to assign it to myself :) | 08:47 |
| bradb | me neither :P | 08:47 |
| tseng | once you tip me off to that | 08:47 |
| tseng | putting my name in the right box is simple enough | 08:47 |
| tseng | but saving changes should put me back on the bug | 08:48 |
| tseng | not drop me back on the edit page | 08:48 |
| tseng | actually, usability wise im not even sure *how* to get back now | 08:49 |
| tseng | clicking 1028 on the breadcrumb goes back to the page im on again | 08:49 |
| bradb | it's confusing yes, because there's no link back to the other page | 08:49 |
| tseng | exactly | 08:50 |
| tseng | using browser back is broken to the average user | 08:50 |
| bradb | i'm creating a branch right now to make some usability improvements to that page | 08:50 |
| tseng | great :D | 08:50 |
| tseng | one problem with usability testing and geeks is.. now that i know how to assign, it will seem like less and less of a problem as time passes | 08:51 |
| tseng | i imagine thats where you guys are at looking at this thing every day | 08:51 |
| bradb | tseng: imagine how difficult it is for /me/ to understand what goes through the heads of non-Malone maintainers when they use Malone :P | 08:52 |
| tseng | i can :) | 08:52 |
| bradb | that's why feedback like this is so intriguing and informative | 08:52 |
| tseng | ok so i hit back to 1028, and then tried Bugs from the breadcrumb | 08:52 |
| tseng | system error, dunno if you can reproduce it | 08:53 |
| bradb | i can reproduce it | 08:53 |
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| tseng | ok now i went to bug 1035 | 08:54 |
| tseng | it belongs to me also. | 08:54 |
| tseng | the first report (summary?) has a ton of debugging output | 08:54 |
| tseng | that little Needs fixing in box isnt even visible | 08:54 |
| tseng | untill i scroll way down | 08:55 |
| tseng | im going to go back and close 1028 now | 08:56 |
| tseng | my first thought is still in the Actions menu | 08:56 |
| tseng | but now i know better | 08:56 |
| tseng | in fact, the actions menu doesnt seem terribly useful | 08:56 |
| tseng | for my use cases so far | 08:57 |
| bradb | (note: i filed the /malone/bugs bug as 1069) | 08:58 |
| tseng | cheers | 08:59 |
| bradb | tseng: interesting note, that, about the actions portlet not seeming useful for your use cases thus far | 08:59 |
| tseng | i was expecting | 08:59 |
| tseng | https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs this | 09:00 |
| tseng | bradb: i would probably Subscribe to bugs (this is like bugzilla CC?) and mark as duplicate | 09:00 |
| tseng | edit bug to change bad titles | 09:00 |
| tseng | but some of the other ones i dont even have a guess what they do | 09:00 |
| tseng | "infestation" | 09:01 |
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| tseng | i know what CVE is, most people dont | 09:01 |
| bradb | infestations are all our fault | 09:01 |
| tseng | and web link | 09:01 |
| tseng | I can put in a comment or summary | 09:01 |
| tseng | activity log | 09:02 |
| tseng | on bugzilla, pretty much any change is reflected with a comment | 09:02 |
| tseng | this might be wrong, but im acustomed to it and having two pages tracking one bug doesnt compute | 09:03 |
| bradb | that is a fascinating problem for us to solve. really. | 09:04 |
| bradb | how to model the fact that one bug can appear in many different places, and do so in a way that non-Malone maintainers (like, say, my grandmother) could make some sense of | 09:04 |
| tseng | basically if i want to change status (close) a bug in bz, i *have* to leave a comment | 09:04 |
| tseng | like "closing bug, fixed in cvs" | 09:04 |
| tseng | if i reopen a bug, it doesnt | 09:05 |
| tseng | so im sort of left to wonder, who/when reopened this | 09:05 |
| tseng | if i dont read the automated mail, that is | 09:05 |
| tseng | so bz isnt perfect either :P | 09:06 |
| bradb | heh | 09:06 |
| tseng | would it be bad to inline comments from multiple bugs? | 09:08 |
| tseng | like Comment #1 from Malone | 09:08 |
| tseng | Comment #2 imported from DBS | 09:08 |
| tseng | i guess that would get confusing inline | 09:09 |
| tseng | they could be seperated | 09:09 |
| bradb | we'll be doing that with the debbugs sync, to the best of my knowledge | 09:09 |
| tseng | so status changes in DBS could generate a comment on the malone page? | 09:09 |
| bradb | the debbugs db would be synched periodically | 09:10 |
| bradb | s/would be/will fairly soon be/ | 09:10 |
| tseng | hm | 09:11 |
| tseng | debugs i find much more baffling than malone | 09:11 |
| bradb | email interfaces are hard to design well, it would seem. we have one now for Malone. | 09:12 |
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| bradb | tseng: anything else you wanted to talk about re: the screens we've just been discussing? | 09:17 |
| tseng | i just CC'd myself on 1069 | 09:17 |
| tseng | and it pretty much went as expected | 09:17 |
| tseng | thumbs up on that, besides it being in two places | 09:17 |
| tseng | (actions and people) | 09:18 |
| tseng | i have no idea what an infestation is | 09:18 |
| tseng | but i feel victimized | 09:18 |
| bradb | heh. i think i'll remove that. | 09:18 |
| tseng | fun words :) | 09:19 |
| tseng | yeah if you could clean up actions and put some stuff im more likely to use in there.. | 09:19 |
| tseng | it would be alot more obvious | 09:19 |
| tseng | the biggest thing that isnt clear is edit bugs vs needs fixing in | 09:19 |
| tseng | im used to it being one task | 09:20 |
| tseng | and actually all on the main page | 09:20 |
| tseng | not that it should be | 09:20 |
| tseng | i think thats it from me | 09:21 |
| bradb | ok, thanks, this has been a thoroughly productive conversation. | 09:22 |
| tseng | great | 09:22 |
| tseng | oh | 09:23 |
| tseng | is there a way to say all bugs against a certain package should get assigned to me | 09:23 |
| bradb | not yet, but you're one of many who's asked about it, which suggests that we should try to address that soon. | 09:24 |
| bradb | i'll file a bug on that right now too, if there isn't one already | 09:24 |
| tseng | k | 09:24 |
| bradb | 1070 | 09:29 |
| tseng | https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1070 | 09:31 |
| tseng | looking at that | 09:31 |
| tseng | it has the same text posted 3 times | 09:31 |
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| bradb | i think mark has a fix on the way for this, so that a summary (the thing shown in bold at the top) isn't created from the description by default | 09:35 |
| bradb | and thus, that bold-fu would be gone | 09:35 |
| tseng | k. | 09:35 |
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| ivoks | anyone else has problems with X in breezy? | 10:07 |
| HiddenWolf | aside from X being X? ;) | 10:07 |
| ivoks | :) | 10:08 |
| ivoks | it was ok untill last update | 10:08 |
| ivoks | now it configures my keyboard as 101 keys, us | 10:08 |
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| ivoks | not 105 | 10:08 |
| tseng | you didnt need the other 4 anyway | 10:09 |
| ivoks | i did :) | 10:09 |
| ivoks | i use windows key all the time | 10:09 |
| bddebian | Heya tritium | 10:12 |
| tritium | hey there bddebian :) | 10:12 |
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| jamessan | \sh: I blame you for making my laptop lock up and reboot :p | 10:58 |
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| siretart | GNAAARF! | 11:08 |
| siretart | got sfs to compile with gcc-4.0, now I have amd64 issues.. GNARF | 11:08 |
| siretart | WAAAH: dataPtr *dp = new dataPtr; (*cb)((int)dp); | 11:10 |
| jamessan | heh | 11:12 |
| schweeb | hey all | 11:12 |
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| siretart | any c++ gurus available? | 11:17 |
| siretart | how comes that with gcc-3.3 the following is 'just' an warning: | 11:17 |
| siretart | In member function `void | 11:18 |
| siretart | dataNode::GC_cb_reinsertDone(node*, dataPtr*, ref<callback<void, void, void, | 11:18 |
| siretart | void> >, char, int)': | 11:18 |
| siretart | /build/buildd/sfs-0.8-0+pre20041016.1/adb/dataNode.C:454: warning: cast to | 11:18 |
| siretart | pointer from integer of different size | 11:18 |
| siretart | I'm trying to transition it to gcc-4, and I'm getting an error there | 11:18 |
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| siretart | anyone awake? ;) | 11:33 |
| lesliev | I am :) | 11:41 |
| siretart | ah, hi lesliev :) | 11:42 |
| siretart | I'm at your package right now, btw ;) | 11:44 |
| lesliev | ok! | 11:44 |
| lesliev | seems extremely risky to cast integers to pointers | 11:44 |
| siretart | lesliev: it is | 11:45 |
| lesliev | Is that line 454? dataPtr *dp = new dataPtr; (*cb)((int)dp); | 11:45 |
| siretart | lesliev: I have it written here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11940 | 11:45 |
| siretart | lesliev: it clearly needs porting work. it would be best if upstream would handle it. | 11:46 |
| lesliev | yes, you are right | 11:47 |
| lesliev | have you used sfs? | 11:47 |
| lesliev | It looks very interesting, I didn't know there was a secure nfs | 11:47 |
| siretart | nope. but it is in the libraryCxxTransition list | 11:47 |
| siretart | jupp | 11:47 |
| siretart | the source looks mostly clean | 11:48 |
| lesliev | Oh, I will send the sopwith stuff on to upstream too. I plan to help with as many as the .desktop files as I can. | 11:49 |
| lesliev | I think it's very important | 11:49 |
| siretart | great! :) | 11:49 |
| lesliev | Do you know how the system files the menu entries? How does it determine where in the menu to put an app? | 11:50 |
| siretart | I'm sorry, I didn't get this, too | 11:51 |
| lesliev | k | 11:52 |
| lesliev | I'll ask on the list | 11:52 |
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| lesliev | siretart: how do you co-ordinate the Cxx list? Have a number of apps been assigned to you? | 12:01 |
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