[12:05] <\sh> ajmitch: ping === lamont__ [~lamont@15.238.5.130] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wasabi_ [~wasabi@207.55.180.100] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan|laptop [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rcliii [~rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Majlo [~mario@213.215.74.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] \sh: ping [01:14] <\sh> Unfrgiven: pong [01:16] hey dude [01:16] \sh: got ur email [01:16] \sh: jst got into work... :) ill take a look at gmetadom now [01:17] <\sh> ok :) === dooglus [~dooglus@user-6858.l1.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k is away: out === jamessan|laptop [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TMM [~hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rcliii [~rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k is back. [02:55] what does "CCDEPMODE = depmode=gcc3" mean in makefiles? im trying to build a package right now that seems to want gcc-3.4 and I have a feeling its because of the depmode [02:57] tried removing it and seeing what happens? [02:58] not yet... the package has heaps of the instances === dooglus [~dooglus@user-6858.l1.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0313.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] <|QuaD-> /topic === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [Amaranth@AC85809C.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k [~seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === schweeb pokes #ubuntu-devel [05:27] wake the hell up [05:51] im having a problem with a package at the moment. when doing a pbuilder build, it fails as it can't find gcc-3.4. but the source doesnt have any reference to gcc-3.4. what gives?!? === JDahl [~qwerty@ca-stmnca-cuda4-gen2m1-135.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stazz [~ville@a80-186-82-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mbeattie [~mbeattie@ool-4355f1f7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@c220235.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax8-072.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@wall.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-075-240.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.215.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === auheM [~auhem@CPE-138-217-161-138.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === auheM [~auhem@CPE-138-217-161-138.vic.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.151] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@wall.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:43] i'm going slightly mad... :) [10:44] <\sh> "queen" [10:45] <\sh> morning ivoks [10:45] morning [10:45] "queer" :) [10:45] <\sh> no..."I#m going slightly mad" is a quote out of a queen song :) [10:45] i know :) [10:46] my brother is big fan... :) === \sh too :) [10:47] omg [10:47] another one :) [10:48] sh you are from germany, right? [10:49] <\sh> ivoks: yes [10:49] you guys love ISDN there, as much as we love it here [10:49] :) [10:49] i don't know how to set up ISDN on 2.6 kernels :( [10:50] <\sh> ivoks: the last time i used isdn was 1999 [10:50] hehe [10:51] i never used it... but i have one client that has dial-up system [10:51] and i can't get it work with 2.6 [10:51] <\sh> with kernel 2.2 and isdn4linux and a leased isdn line :) so don't ask me about isdn...ping ogra..he's an ISDN fetishist ;) [10:51] :) [10:51] ok === Majlo [~mario@213.215.74.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:11] \sh, what ? [11:13] ogra: do you use isdn with 2.6 kernel? === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === crimsun [~crimsun@crimsun.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:25] ivoks: I read that hoarys kernel has some avm binary modules shipped. should work with them [11:26] ivoks: if you cannot or don't want to use them, you would need the misdn kernel patch for kernel 2.6 [11:26] heh... then it will be misdn [11:26] i used manna before [11:27] it loaded hisax modul which detected my ISDN card [11:27] now, hisax doesn't detect that same ISDN card [11:28] yes, but is hisax working on 2.6 kernels at all? I read that is was not, (or at least is deprecated) [11:31] ivoks: btw, I tried out wifi-radar. I had problems on my madwifi, when I try to connect, i don't get an ip address [11:31] ivoks, i use isdn if its necessary (i.e. if i just moved house....) which wasnt the case since a year or so.... and i helped testing the binary AVM drivers for hoary, thats all i have to do with isdn [11:32] ivoks, you dont want to use hiasx with a 2.6 kernel [11:32] ivoks: so I had an iwevent running and inspected what was going on: each time the card got associated to an AP, it lost that association immediatly. I think thats a madwifi specific issue, will need to debug wifi-radar to see what it does. [11:34] I also had a look at the wpa functionality: it requires the user to have a working /etc/wpasupplicant.conf. Then it could work (haven't tested it myself, but that approach could work) [11:37] ok [11:37] then i will use 2.4 kernels for that for some time... [11:37] thanks guys [11:38] siretart: on ipw2200 works ok [11:42] ivoks: I had the chance to let an ipw2100 user try it out. there I didn't see that problem [11:43] ivoks: there was another one: when connecting to an AP: wifi-radar spit out an error message "Address could not be assigned" or something [11:44] but the interface had an ip, and connection was there :) [11:46] ? [11:48] strange, I was confused, too ;) [11:59] hm... [12:00] when i start programs with python i get: [12:00] 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback [12:00] No installed Python found. === lesliev [~lesliev@168.209.121.226] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:00] and that's in hoary... [12:01] hey lesliev === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:02] nice to see you [12:02] me? [12:02] aw thanks [12:02] Mez, you too, yes *grin* [12:05] hey! [12:07] lesliev, siretart is the guy to talk to about game fixes ;) [12:08] hiya siretart ;-) [12:09] huhu lesliev [12:09] :) [12:10] I have a .desktop and a icon for sopwith. My packaging attempts are not too good yet, but I have the files. [12:10] Do I upload them to malone? === egli [~egli@195.75.161.62] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:12] lesliev: you may upload them to malone, or mail them to me: siretart@tauware.de [12:12] BTW: in the .desktop I put sopwith in category ArcadeGame and that didn't seem to work. So I put it in 'Game' === siretart is at lunch cu later [12:12] k === egli [~egli@195.75.161.62] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:12] <\sh> ha lesliev [12:13] <\sh> "So tomorrow I sign the contract and then God-willing I will immediately start a C++ development contract" [12:13] <\sh> yes...thats what we need...c++ hackers...kde hackers ;) === Lathiat laughs [12:13] bah [12:13] \sh, there is gtkmm, what for do we need KDE ? [12:14] c++ is icky [12:14] python is where its at [12:14] .. running on mono :) [12:14] yay [12:14] <\sh> ogra: I did the transition at least for one gtkmm version...it's a lot of stupid code in there ;) [12:14] \sh, tell that to murrac ;) [12:15] <\sh> building c++ code from templates...*buah* [12:15] \sh, and dont tell it to loud if dholbach is around, he's a murrac fanboy [12:15] murrayc, sorry [12:15] <\sh> thats just like awk+sed+perl are creating mono bindings for oracle ;) [12:16] <\sh> actually i fixed it [12:17] <\sh> but anyways... lesliev is another potential supporter of my biltong ZA -> DE connection [12:18] ?? [12:18] <\sh> lesliev: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/18-Daylight-Robbery.html [12:18] lesliev, he is looking for someone to send him tons of biltong.... [12:19] ha! [12:19] <\sh> not only me :) [12:20] \em thinks \sh should ask canonical for a bounty and payment in biltong [12:20] <\sh> ogra: ask mark the next time, to provide u with some gramms of biltong :) u will be an addict in no time :) [12:20] emm... /me indeed.... [12:22] I like the biltong mafia idea [12:22] Bootleg Biltong === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:tseng] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks [12:22] unless your name is Nafallo and you feel the need to complain about the same things three times :) [12:22] heh === ..[topic/#ubuntu-motu:ogra] : Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | please file universe bugs in https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Please dont complain about X for the next 2 weeks | no, we dont pay fixed packages in biltong [12:24] <\sh> hihihi [12:24] unfortunately I have never been to Germany and don't know anyone who goes regularly [12:24] so that picture in your blog [12:24] is disgusting [12:24] My brother is in the UK tho... === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:24] <\sh> lesliev: well...send it via uk to germany...no customs ;) [12:25] hehe [12:25] And how do I get tons of Biltong to the UK?? [12:25] <\sh> lesliev: ship container airbus 380 [12:25] <\sh> depends on you ;) [12:26] you have mad cow disease! [12:26] heh [12:26] lesliev: that's not a problem unless you ship something back [12:27] <\sh> lesliev: I can provide good beer in return :) [12:27] <\sh> but no...u have good beer in za as well [12:27] i dont imagine beer travels very well [12:27] it does, actually. [12:27] not pilsener and such, but real beer is fine. [12:28] IPA was developed to withstand the sea travel to India. [12:28] <\sh> Mithrandir: what is "real beer"? [12:28] IPA, porter, stouts, lots of ales. === ogra tried the .no beer.... thats really good [12:28] bitter. [12:28] Seriously: I'll look into it. It can't be too hard. [12:28] I know a guy who does imports and exports into Africa [12:28] ogra: it _really_ depends. The pilseners are sad and shitty. [12:29] Mithrandir, i have no idea what was in the glass :) but it tasted very good [12:29] <\sh> lesliev: u read about the prices for biltong here in germany...it's ridiculus [12:29] i know a guy you can send a medicine mask to [12:29] ogra: heh. [12:29] it would validate his life [12:29] <\sh> ogra: .no beer? hahaha...u mean pee of an polarbear [12:29] Now biltong is about R75 per kilo, so a ton will come to R75000 without tax and duties. [12:30] ogra: I'll see if I can bring some _really_ nice beer for the next conf. [12:30] Cany uoi put that in my account so long? [12:30] \sh: we have some excellent beers too, but as I say, the lagers aren't much to look at. [12:30] <\sh> lesliev: so...less then 10 euros for 1kg of game chili biltong :) [12:36] what do we need to fix to make apt not want to remove half my desktop? [12:38] libx11? === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] re === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:45] lesliev: I got your mail, thank you for your contribution [12:45] lesliev: when I get home, I will integrate them into sopwith and prepare an upload [01:00] siretart: cool! If it would not be too much trouble, could you write a little howto as you do it? [01:00] Or record your keys with screen or something and let me have that? [01:01] I am eager to be able to mod packages and reading the docs is taking so looong! [01:04] sh: I'm sure I can send you some biltong. I'll find out how to do it over the weekend. [01:08] email me your shipping address: leslie@camary.co.za [01:10] lesliev: when I get home, yes. For now, you could look at the debian docs. try to dpkg-source -x package.dsc file, check out the files in debian/ and try to undestand them. the debian new maintainer guide should have all information you need (though it may be quite a big lecture ;)) [01:11] I am half-way with the maint guide. It tells you to read a whole lot more docs. I'll read more tonight. [01:12] you don't need to understand everything in the docs. they are more a reference than a tutorial or howto. but its good to know where to look if necessary [01:12] perhaps I should write a wikipage PackageModificationHowto.. [01:13] YAY! [01:14] I got stuck where you add files to a package - I ran debuild and it complained about that [01:14] <\sh> lesliev: don't worry about it :) next year I want to visit again ZA...so I will take some with me then :) [01:15] sh: ok ;-) [01:16] If you modify files I think it builds a diff package, but you can't add files [01:16] lesliev, you can.... [01:17] lesliev, they way is just not easy or obvious [01:20] <\sh> hmmm..why has patrick his ubuntu cds and I don't have mine :( === thesaltydog [~yoshi@host194-61.pool8023.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] well *that* needs to be in some doc [01:23] In fact, a usefule package modder's howto will need to include "making a new package", "changing and submitting a package" and, if different, "adding to an submitting a package" [01:25] Also: "repackaging an rpm" would be nice [01:26] lesliev: perhaps you could provide a very raw template page, with the structure of the you would expect. I could then fill information and references where to look [01:26] <\sh> lesliev: adding to a package is done via upstream normally ;) [01:26] lesliev: you can convert .rpms to .deb with alien [01:26] But not always - .desktop file case in point [01:26] <\sh> lesliev: oh...those things are easy [01:27] Alien works but you still need to play with things to make a proper deb package [01:27] I'll do the template, good idea. Where in the wiki should I put it? [01:31] Alien doesn't seem to do dependencies properly. I suppose it can't. [01:31] It also seems to trip up on install scripts a bit [01:31] lesliev: I would suggest under "MOTU" - Useful Links for MOTU's [01:32] ok, I'll start the page over the weekend [01:32] no, alien cannot consider dependencies correctly. you would have to repackage it to do it properly. [01:32] great! :) === susus_ [~sz@p5089E11D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@p5089E11D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan|work [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tivek [bumphoney@phobos.ifs.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:50] hi all... sorry to if I'm barging in. I have a question about the gpib packages... [02:01] How can I find out why libnss-mdns isn't being synced from sid? [02:02] is there a thing for it in ~scott? [02:02] nope [02:02] if you mean people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/ [02:02] yes [02:02] nerp [02:06] tseng: so who do i ask? [02:07] elmo. [02:07] erm just ask him and he will respond later === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.215.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] eh, it's not being auto-synced because the version has 'ubuntu' in it [02:20] elmo: yeh i discovered the story [02:20] jeff packaged it [02:20] someone took that, packaged it for debian [02:20] and jeff hasnt updated it [02:21] thats because jeff isnt a packager [02:21] he just likes to pretend [02:21] :D [02:21] ;p [02:47] <\sh> fixing packages === plugwash [plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:58] gotta go: ;-) === bddebian [~bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] Howdy === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0039.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:15] <\sh> ivoks: your openscenegraph is passed :) [03:16] i know :) [03:16] thanx [03:24] nice... whole mobile network collapsed [03:24] fscking A1 :( === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0039.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:58] yay! 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[05:19] lesliev: i patched it [05:19] fedora has that simple patch for it [05:19] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-commits/2005-May/msg01024.html [05:19] oneliner [05:27] ah [05:27] good! [05:28] <\sh> re === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC1D94.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:50] <\sh> anyone with a ppc machine? [05:57] mope [05:57] nope === DanielN [~daniel@84-72-116-38.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:20] \sh: I have one at home [06:20] <\sh> jamessan|work: could u do me a favour? [06:21] <\sh> jamessan|work: get this hdf5 source package and try to build it from source for breezy [06:21] I can try that when I get home (in about 4 hours) [06:22] <\sh> would be very kind of u :) [06:22] lunch time [06:22] <\sh> so..and now I go and have a shower...and after that...going to an irish pub named jamessons :) === elmo_ [~james@83-216-141-215.jamest298.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] hi folks [06:36] I'm trying to fix sfs in breezy. I located the problem, /usr/bin/rpcgen does not create sourcefiles for consumption with gcc-4 :/ [06:36] how should I proceed? === rcliii [~rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \S2 [~s2@host25-47.pool8256.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pef [~loic@erodia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:26] hello ! === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0039.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:36] Within few words, how can I help you ? [07:37] ? [07:38] HA! [07:38] it is an own, buggy rpc generator, and I think I located the bug === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.160.45] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mitsuhiko is now known as mitsuhiko`sotd === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0039.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0039.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:25] have any of you guys entered malone via https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone ? [08:26] just wondering if anyone has, and could describe to me a bit what they thought about the process of going from /malone to getting to the right place to search and report bugs on a thing [08:28] bradb: well, for a start, theres no clear starting point for a search [08:28] instead i have 2 half-search options (distro, assigned) [08:29] after clicking down the distro line i learn i can search from there, but thats not entirely obvious,and what if i want to search among alldistros? [08:30] bradb: also doing an advanced search cuasesa system error. ;) [08:31] Lathiat: it does indeed. i have a fix for that that just needs to be rolled out [08:31] Lathiat: interesting points about /malone. i feel the same way. [08:31] the 2 options that are there arent so bad,but there should be a clear "search" option [08:31] Lathiat: when you come to /malone, what are you expecting to do? [08:32] bradb: search for my bug to see if its already reported [08:32] when i come there i am expecting to click something like My Bugs and see the listing [08:33] which works, but the wording of it seems odd [08:33] like bugzilla eh [08:33] # [08:33] # Assigned Bug Reports - retrieve reports on bugs assigned to a specific person [08:34] also under file bug, it says something about "CCmanually" if its a private bug, but theres no option on that page or CCing and thebutton says 'Add' which indicates to me that thats the last step [08:34] i almost always want bugs assigned to *me* [08:34] which is what it gives you [08:34] but the wording is small [08:34] yeh that page shows yours by default [08:34] with a search [08:34] that should be worded better [08:34] the actual interface seems to be pretty cool tho [08:35] "If you're not sure, start here." [08:35] this is almost certainly wrong for "file a bug" [08:35] yeh you should be searching [08:35] in an ideal world everyone will search first thing [08:36] perhaps enter the package nameand view recent reports,or popular reports [08:36] both would be useful [08:36] with the option to search further [08:37] also when i login i specify 'lathiat@bur.st' [08:37] but i seem indications about 'lathiat' [08:37] like on the mybugs page, the deault assignee is 'lathiat' [08:37] ah, yes [08:38] ah we have a motu group now [08:40] what about, say, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs ? what are your thoughts on that page? [08:40] oh wow [08:40] hang on [08:40] i did view distro bugs, right [08:40] it shows me a big list [08:40] i see a bug that belongs to me, and click it [08:41] i have NFC how to assign it to myself [08:41] do i "subscribe"? [08:41] or "edit bug details" [08:41] that's really confusing, indeed [08:41] edit bug doesnt help [08:42] i'd say the same thing if i were you guys ;) [08:42] hehe === Lathiat ponders if editing bugs is the best idea [08:42] can i get a clue? :P [08:43] bradb: but dude i like that second view much better [08:43] like, people could mess with bugs,and updates really shouldbe in comments no? [08:43] bradb: as a maintainer [08:43] tseng: gimme an example bug and let's walk through it [08:43] 1028 [08:43] or rather, you walk me through it [08:43] ok, 1028 [08:43] ok, i told you how i got here [08:43] from there I clicked edit bug [08:43] and am now "stuck" [08:44] tseng: look at the "Needs fixing in..." part of the page [08:44] see it === Arrogance [~aks@CPE00112f96b894-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:45] tseng: talk to me about that part of the page [08:45] ok so its not obvious to me that that part of the page has an "action" [08:45] all the actions are, obviously, in the action bar [08:46] assigning a bug is a common action i would want to do === imightbegiant [~imightbeg@ilamp-in-417.TIS.CWRU.Edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:47] the link "ubuntu tomboy" in no way suggests to me that its the way to assign it to myself :) [08:47] me neither :P [08:47] once you tip me off to that [08:47] putting my name in the right box is simple enough [08:48] but saving changes should put me back on the bug [08:48] not drop me back on the edit page [08:49] actually, usability wise im not even sure *how* to get back now [08:49] clicking 1028 on the breadcrumb goes back to the page im on again [08:49] it's confusing yes, because there's no link back to the other page [08:50] exactly [08:50] using browser back is broken to the average user [08:50] i'm creating a branch right now to make some usability improvements to that page [08:50] great :D [08:51] one problem with usability testing and geeks is.. now that i know how to assign, it will seem like less and less of a problem as time passes [08:51] i imagine thats where you guys are at looking at this thing every day [08:52] tseng: imagine how difficult it is for /me/ to understand what goes through the heads of non-Malone maintainers when they use Malone :P [08:52] i can :) [08:52] that's why feedback like this is so intriguing and informative [08:52] ok so i hit back to 1028, and then tried Bugs from the breadcrumb [08:53] system error, dunno if you can reproduce it [08:53] i can reproduce it === bradb checks if there's a bug already filed on that; there might be [08:54] ok now i went to bug 1035 [08:54] it belongs to me also. [08:54] the first report (summary?) has a ton of debugging output [08:54] that little Needs fixing in box isnt even visible [08:55] untill i scroll way down [08:56] im going to go back and close 1028 now [08:56] my first thought is still in the Actions menu [08:56] but now i know better [08:56] in fact, the actions menu doesnt seem terribly useful [08:57] for my use cases so far [08:58] (note: i filed the /malone/bugs bug as 1069) [08:59] cheers [08:59] tseng: interesting note, that, about the actions portlet not seeming useful for your use cases thus far [08:59] i was expecting [09:00] https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs this [09:00] bradb: i would probably Subscribe to bugs (this is like bugzilla CC?) and mark as duplicate [09:00] edit bug to change bad titles [09:00] but some of the other ones i dont even have a guess what they do [09:01] "infestation" === bradb laughs, with you though, not at you ;) [09:01] i know what CVE is, most people dont [09:01] infestations are all our fault [09:01] and web link [09:01] I can put in a comment or summary [09:02] activity log [09:02] on bugzilla, pretty much any change is reflected with a comment [09:03] this might be wrong, but im acustomed to it and having two pages tracking one bug doesnt compute [09:04] that is a fascinating problem for us to solve. really. [09:04] how to model the fact that one bug can appear in many different places, and do so in a way that non-Malone maintainers (like, say, my grandmother) could make some sense of [09:04] basically if i want to change status (close) a bug in bz, i *have* to leave a comment [09:04] like "closing bug, fixed in cvs" [09:05] if i reopen a bug, it doesnt [09:05] so im sort of left to wonder, who/when reopened this [09:05] if i dont read the automated mail, that is [09:06] so bz isnt perfect either :P [09:06] heh [09:08] would it be bad to inline comments from multiple bugs? [09:08] like Comment #1 from Malone [09:08] Comment #2 imported from DBS [09:09] i guess that would get confusing inline [09:09] they could be seperated [09:09] we'll be doing that with the debbugs sync, to the best of my knowledge [09:09] so status changes in DBS could generate a comment on the malone page? [09:10] the debbugs db would be synched periodically [09:10] s/would be/will fairly soon be/ [09:11] hm [09:11] debugs i find much more baffling than malone [09:12] email interfaces are hard to design well, it would seem. we have one now for Malone. === mitsuhiko`sotd is now known as mitsuhiko [09:17] tseng: anything else you wanted to talk about re: the screens we've just been discussing? [09:17] i just CC'd myself on 1069 [09:17] and it pretty much went as expected [09:17] thumbs up on that, besides it being in two places [09:18] (actions and people) [09:18] i have no idea what an infestation is [09:18] but i feel victimized [09:18] heh. i think i'll remove that. [09:19] fun words :) [09:19] yeah if you could clean up actions and put some stuff im more likely to use in there.. [09:19] it would be alot more obvious [09:19] the biggest thing that isnt clear is edit bugs vs needs fixing in [09:20] im used to it being one task [09:20] and actually all on the main page [09:20] not that it should be [09:21] i think thats it from me [09:22] ok, thanks, this has been a thoroughly productive conversation. [09:22] great [09:23] oh [09:23] is there a way to say all bugs against a certain package should get assigned to me [09:24] not yet, but you're one of many who's asked about it, which suggests that we should try to address that soon. [09:24] i'll file a bug on that right now too, if there isn't one already [09:24] k [09:29] 1070 [09:31] https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1070 [09:31] looking at that [09:31] it has the same text posted 3 times === bradb laughs...heh, that needs some, ahem, redesign ;) [09:35] i think mark has a fix on the way for this, so that a summary (the thing shown in bold at the top) isn't created from the description by default [09:35] and thus, that bold-fu would be gone [09:35] k. === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0039.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] anyone else has problems with X in breezy? [10:07] aside from X being X? ;) [10:08] :) [10:08] it was ok untill last update [10:08] now it configures my keyboard as 101 keys, us === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:08] not 105 [10:09] you didnt need the other 4 anyway [10:09] i did :) [10:09] i use windows key all the time [10:12] Heya tritium [10:12] hey there bddebian :) === jamessan|laptop [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mitsuhiko [~mitsuhiko@213.33.95.56] has joined #ubuntu-motu === goedson [~goedson@BHE040233.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:58] \sh: I blame you for making my laptop lock up and reboot :p === lsuactiafner [~noirrac@tpc-ip-nas-1-p151.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:08] GNAAARF! [11:08] got sfs to compile with gcc-4.0, now I have amd64 issues.. GNARF [11:10] WAAAH: dataPtr *dp = new dataPtr; (*cb)((int)dp); [11:12] heh [11:12] hey all === schweeb is finally installing Ubuntu onto the new IBM X41 === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:17] any c++ gurus available? [11:17] how comes that with gcc-3.3 the following is 'just' an warning: [11:18] In member function `void [11:18] dataNode::GC_cb_reinsertDone(node*, dataPtr*, ref void> >, char, int)': [11:18] /build/buildd/sfs-0.8-0+pre20041016.1/adb/dataNode.C:454: warning: cast to [11:18] pointer from integer of different size [11:18] I'm trying to transition it to gcc-4, and I'm getting an error there === moyogo [~moyogo@69.156.160.45] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [11:33] anyone awake? ;) [11:41] I am :) [11:42] ah, hi lesliev :) [11:44] I'm at your package right now, btw ;) [11:44] ok! [11:44] seems extremely risky to cast integers to pointers [11:45] lesliev: it is [11:45] Is that line 454? dataPtr *dp = new dataPtr; (*cb)((int)dp); [11:45] lesliev: I have it written here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11940 [11:46] lesliev: it clearly needs porting work. it would be best if upstream would handle it. [11:47] yes, you are right [11:47] have you used sfs? [11:47] It looks very interesting, I didn't know there was a secure nfs [11:47] nope. but it is in the libraryCxxTransition list [11:47]