[12:05] <\sh> ajmitch: ping
[01:12] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ping
[01:14] <\sh> Unfrgiven: pong
[01:16] <Unfrgiven> hey dude
[01:16] <Unfrgiven> \sh: got ur email
[01:16] <Unfrgiven> \sh: jst got into work... :) ill take a look at gmetadom now
[01:17] <\sh> ok :)
[02:55] <Unfrgiven> what does "CCDEPMODE = depmode=gcc3" mean in makefiles? im trying to build a package right now that seems to want gcc-3.4 and I have a feeling its because of the depmode
[02:57] <plugwash> tried removing it and seeing what happens?
[02:58] <Unfrgiven> not yet... the package has heaps of the instances
[03:44] <|QuaD->  /topic
[05:27] <schweeb> wake the hell up
[05:51] <Unfrgiven> im having a problem with a package at the moment. when doing a pbuilder build, it fails as it can't find gcc-3.4. but the source doesnt have any reference to gcc-3.4. what gives?!?
[10:43] <ivoks> i'm going slightly mad... :)
[10:44] <\sh> "queen"
[10:45] <\sh> morning ivoks
[10:45] <ivoks> morning
[10:45] <ivoks> "queer" :)
[10:45] <\sh> no..."I#m going slightly mad" is a quote out of a queen song :)
[10:45] <ivoks> i know :)
[10:46] <ivoks> my brother is big fan... :)
[10:47] <ivoks> omg
[10:47] <ivoks> another one :)
[10:48] <ivoks> sh you are from germany, right?
[10:49] <\sh> ivoks: yes
[10:49] <ivoks> you guys love ISDN there, as much as we love it here
[10:49] <ivoks> :)
[10:49] <ivoks> i don't know how to set up ISDN on 2.6 kernels :(
[10:50] <\sh> ivoks: the last time i used isdn was 1999
[10:50] <ivoks> hehe
[10:51] <ivoks> i never used it... but i have one client that has dial-up system
[10:51] <ivoks> and i can't get it work with 2.6
[10:51] <\sh> with kernel 2.2 and isdn4linux and a leased isdn line :) so don't ask me about isdn...ping ogra..he's an ISDN fetishist ;)
[10:51] <ivoks> :)
[10:51] <ivoks> ok
[11:11] <ogra> \sh, what ?
[11:13] <ivoks> ogra: do you use isdn with 2.6 kernel?
[11:25] <siretart> ivoks: I read that hoarys kernel has some avm binary modules shipped. should work with them
[11:26] <siretart> ivoks: if you cannot or don't want to use them, you would need the misdn kernel patch for kernel 2.6
[11:26] <ivoks> heh... then it will be misdn
[11:26] <ivoks> i used manna before
[11:27] <ivoks> it loaded hisax modul which detected my ISDN card
[11:27] <ivoks> now, hisax doesn't detect that same ISDN card
[11:28] <siretart> yes, but is hisax working on 2.6 kernels at all? I read that is was not, (or at least is deprecated)
[11:31] <siretart> ivoks: btw, I tried out wifi-radar. I had problems on my madwifi, when I try to connect, i don't get an ip address
[11:31] <ogra> ivoks, i use isdn if its necessary (i.e. if i just moved house....) which wasnt the case since a year or so.... and i helped testing the binary AVM drivers for hoary, thats all i have to do with isdn
[11:32] <ogra> ivoks, you dont want to use hiasx with a 2.6 kernel
[11:32] <siretart> ivoks: so I had an iwevent running and inspected what was going on: each time the card got associated to an AP, it lost that association immediatly. I think thats a madwifi specific issue, will need to debug wifi-radar to see what it does.
[11:34] <siretart> I also had a look at the wpa functionality: it requires the user to have a working /etc/wpasupplicant.conf. Then it could work (haven't tested it myself, but that approach could work)
[11:37] <ivoks> ok
[11:37] <ivoks> then i will use 2.4 kernels for that for some time...
[11:37] <ivoks> thanks guys
[11:38] <ivoks> siretart: on ipw2200 works ok
[11:42] <siretart> ivoks: I had the chance to let an ipw2100 user try it out. there I didn't see that problem
[11:43] <siretart> ivoks: there was another one: when connecting to an AP: wifi-radar spit out an error message "Address could not be assigned" or something
[11:44] <siretart> but the interface had an ip, and connection was there :)
[11:46] <ivoks> ?
[11:48] <siretart> strange, I was confused, too ;)
[11:59] <ivoks> hm...
[12:00] <ivoks> when i start programs with python i get:
[12:00] <ivoks> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
[12:00] <ivoks> No installed Python found.
[12:00] <ivoks> and that's in hoary...
[12:01] <ogra> hey lesliev
[12:02] <ogra> nice to see you
[12:02] <Mez> me?
[12:02] <Mez> aw thanks
[12:02] <ogra> Mez, you too, yes *grin*
[12:05] <lesliev> hey!
[12:07] <ogra> lesliev, siretart is the guy to talk to about game fixes ;)
[12:08] <lesliev> hiya siretart ;-)
[12:09] <siretart> huhu lesliev
[12:09] <siretart> :)
[12:10] <lesliev> I have a .desktop and a icon for sopwith. My packaging attempts are not too good yet, but I have the files.
[12:10] <lesliev> Do I upload them to malone?
[12:12] <siretart> lesliev: you may upload them to malone, or mail them to me: siretart@tauware.de
[12:12] <lesliev> BTW: in the .desktop I put sopwith in category ArcadeGame and that didn't seem to work. So I put it in 'Game'
[12:12] <lesliev> k
[12:12] <\sh> ha lesliev
[12:13] <\sh> "So tomorrow I sign the contract and then God-willing I will immediately start a C++ development contract"
[12:13] <\sh> yes...thats what we need...c++ hackers...kde hackers ;)
[12:13] <ogra> bah
[12:13] <ogra> \sh, there is gtkmm, what for do we need KDE ?
[12:14] <Lathiat> c++ is icky
[12:14] <Lathiat> python is where its at
[12:14] <Lathiat> .. running on mono :)
[12:14] <ogra> yay
[12:14] <\sh> ogra: I did the transition at least for one gtkmm version...it's a lot of stupid code in there ;)
[12:14] <ogra> \sh, tell that to murrac ;)
[12:15] <\sh> building c++ code from templates...*buah*
[12:15] <ogra> \sh, and dont tell it to loud if dholbach is around, he's a murrac fanboy
[12:15] <ogra> murrayc, sorry
[12:15] <\sh> thats just like awk+sed+perl are creating mono bindings for oracle ;)
[12:16] <\sh> actually i fixed it
[12:17] <\sh> but anyways... lesliev is another potential supporter of my biltong ZA -> DE connection
[12:18] <lesliev> ??
[12:18] <\sh> lesliev: http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/18-Daylight-Robbery.html
[12:18] <ogra> lesliev, he is looking for someone to send him tons of biltong....
[12:19] <lesliev> ha!
[12:19] <\sh> not only me :)
[12:20] <ogra> \em thinks \sh should ask canonical for a bounty and payment in biltong
[12:20] <\sh> ogra: ask mark the next time, to provide u with some gramms of biltong :) u will be an addict in no time :)
[12:20] <ogra> emm... /me indeed....
[12:22] <lesliev> I like the biltong mafia idea
[12:22] <lesliev> Bootleg Biltong
[12:22] <tseng> unless your name is Nafallo and you feel the need to complain about the same things three times :)
[12:22] <Lathiat> heh
[12:24] <\sh> hihihi
[12:24] <lesliev> unfortunately I have never been to Germany and don't know anyone who goes regularly
[12:24] <tseng> so that picture in your blog
[12:24] <tseng> is disgusting
[12:24] <lesliev> My brother is in the UK tho...
[12:24] <\sh> lesliev: well...send it via uk to germany...no customs ;)
[12:25] <lesliev> hehe
[12:25] <lesliev> And how do I get tons of Biltong to the UK??
[12:25] <\sh> lesliev: ship container airbus 380
[12:25] <\sh> depends on you ;)
[12:26] <lesliev> you have mad cow disease!
[12:26] <ogra> heh
[12:26] <Mithrandir> lesliev: that's not a problem unless you ship something back
[12:27] <\sh> lesliev: I can provide good beer in return :)
[12:27] <\sh> but no...u have good beer in za as well
[12:27] <tseng> i dont imagine beer travels very well
[12:27] <Mithrandir> it does, actually.
[12:27] <Mithrandir> not pilsener and such, but real beer is fine.
[12:28] <Mithrandir> IPA was developed to withstand the sea travel to India.
[12:28] <\sh> Mithrandir: what is "real beer"?
[12:28] <Mithrandir> IPA, porter, stouts, lots of ales.
[12:28] <Mithrandir> bitter.
[12:28] <lesliev> Seriously: I'll look into it. It can't be too hard.
[12:28] <lesliev> I know a guy who does imports and exports into Africa
[12:28] <Mithrandir> ogra: it _really_ depends.  The pilseners are sad and shitty.
[12:29] <ogra> Mithrandir, i have no idea what was in the glass :) but it tasted very good
[12:29] <\sh> lesliev: u read about the prices for biltong here in germany...it's ridiculus
[12:29] <tseng> i know a guy you can send a medicine mask to
[12:29] <Mithrandir> ogra: heh.
[12:29] <tseng> it would validate his life
[12:29] <\sh> ogra: .no beer? hahaha...u mean pee of an polarbear
[12:29] <lesliev> Now biltong is about R75 per kilo, so a ton will come to R75000 without tax and duties.
[12:30] <Mithrandir> ogra: I'll see if I can bring some _really_ nice beer for the next conf.
[12:30] <lesliev> Cany uoi put that in my account so long?
[12:30] <Mithrandir> \sh: we have some excellent beers too, but as I say, the lagers aren't much to look at.
[12:30] <\sh> lesliev: so...less then 10 euros for 1kg of game chili biltong :)
[12:36] <tseng> what do we need to fix to make apt not want to remove half my desktop?
[12:38] <tseng> libx11?
[12:43] <siretart> re
[12:45] <siretart> lesliev: I got your mail, thank you for your contribution
[12:45] <siretart> lesliev: when I get home, I will integrate them into sopwith and prepare an upload
[01:00] <lesliev> siretart: cool! If it would not be too much trouble, could you write a little howto as you do it?
[01:00] <lesliev> Or record your keys with screen or something and let me have that?
[01:01] <lesliev> I am eager to be able to mod packages and reading the docs is taking so looong!
[01:04] <lesliev> sh: I'm sure I can send you some biltong. I'll find out how to do it over the weekend.
[01:08] <lesliev> email me your shipping address: leslie@camary.co.za
[01:10] <siretart> lesliev: when I get home, yes. For now, you could look at the debian docs. try to dpkg-source -x package.dsc file, check out the files in debian/ and try to undestand them. the debian new maintainer guide should have all information you need (though it may be quite a big lecture ;))
[01:11] <lesliev> I am half-way with the maint guide. It tells you to read a whole lot more docs. I'll read more tonight.
[01:12] <siretart> you don't need to understand everything in the docs. they are more a reference than a tutorial or howto. but its good to know where to look if necessary
[01:12] <siretart> perhaps I should write a wikipage PackageModificationHowto..
[01:13] <lesliev> YAY!
[01:14] <lesliev> I got stuck where you add files to a package - I ran debuild and it complained about that
[01:14] <\sh> lesliev: don't worry about it :) next year I want to visit again ZA...so I will take some with me then :)
[01:15] <lesliev> sh: ok ;-)
[01:16] <lesliev> If you modify files I think it builds a diff package, but you can't add files
[01:16] <ogra> lesliev, you can....
[01:17] <ogra> lesliev, they way is just not easy or obvious
[01:20] <\sh> hmmm..why has patrick his ubuntu cds and I don't have mine :(
[01:22] <lesliev> well *that* needs to be in some doc
[01:23] <lesliev> In fact, a usefule package modder's howto will need to include "making a new package", "changing and submitting a package" and, if different, "adding to an submitting a package"
[01:25] <lesliev> Also: "repackaging an rpm" would be nice
[01:26] <siretart> lesliev: perhaps you could provide a very raw template page, with the structure of the you would expect. I could then fill information and references where to look
[01:26] <\sh> lesliev: adding to a package is done via upstream normally ;)
[01:26] <siretart> lesliev: you can convert .rpms to .deb with alien
[01:26] <lesliev> But not always - .desktop file case in point
[01:26] <\sh> lesliev: oh...those things are easy
[01:27] <lesliev> Alien works but you still need to play with things to make a proper deb package
[01:27] <lesliev> I'll do the template, good idea. Where in the wiki should I put it?
[01:31] <lesliev> Alien doesn't seem to do dependencies properly. I suppose it can't.
[01:31] <lesliev> It also seems to trip up on install scripts a bit
[01:31] <siretart> lesliev: I would suggest under "MOTU" - Useful Links for MOTU's
[01:32] <lesliev> ok, I'll start the page over the weekend
[01:32] <siretart> no, alien cannot consider dependencies correctly. you would have to repackage it to do it properly.
[01:32] <siretart> great! :)
[01:50] <tivek> hi all... sorry to if I'm barging in. I have a question about the gpib packages...
[02:01] <Lathiat> How can I find out why libnss-mdns isn't being synced from sid?
[02:02] <tseng> is there a thing for it in ~scott?
[02:02] <Lathiat> nope
[02:02] <Lathiat> if you mean people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/
[02:02] <tseng> yes
[02:02] <Lathiat> nerp
[02:06] <Lathiat> tseng: so who do i ask?
[02:07] <tseng> elmo.
[02:07] <tseng> erm just ask him and he will respond later
[02:18] <elmo> eh, it's not being auto-synced because the version has 'ubuntu' in it
[02:20] <Lathiat> elmo: yeh i discovered the story
[02:20] <Lathiat> jeff packaged it
[02:20] <Lathiat> someone took that,  packaged it for debian
[02:20] <Lathiat> and jeff hasnt updated it
[02:21] <tseng> thats because jeff isnt a packager
[02:21] <tseng> he just likes to pretend
[02:21] <tseng> :D
[02:21] <Lathiat> ;p
[02:47] <\sh> fixing packages
[02:58] <lesliev> gotta go: ;-)
[03:03] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:15] <\sh> ivoks: your openscenegraph is passed :)
[03:16] <ivoks> i know :)
[03:16] <ivoks> thanx
[03:24] <ivoks> nice... whole mobile network collapsed
[03:24] <ivoks> fscking A1 :(
[03:58] <ivoks> yay!
[03:58] <ivoks> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 98909 2005-06-16 17:20 /usr/include/X11/Xlib.h
[04:34] <ivoks> hm... if fedora allready did release based on gcc/g++4
[04:34] <ivoks> then they are loaded with patches :)
[04:52] <ivoks> yuhu! blender compiled with gcc4, builded on i386
[05:14] <ivoks> hi crimsun
[05:16] <lesliev> ivoks: did you have to tweak it?
[05:19] <ivoks> lesliev: i patched it
[05:19] <ivoks> fedora has that simple patch for it
[05:19] <ivoks> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-extras-commits/2005-May/msg01024.html
[05:19] <ivoks> oneliner
[05:27] <lesliev> ah
[05:27] <lesliev> good!
[05:28] <\sh> re
[05:50] <\sh> anyone with a ppc machine?
[05:57] <ivoks> mope
[05:57] <ivoks> nope
[06:20] <jamessan|work> \sh: I have one at home
[06:20] <\sh> jamessan|work: could u do me a favour?
[06:21] <\sh> jamessan|work: get this hdf5 source package and try to build it from source for breezy
[06:21] <jamessan|work> I can try that when I get home (in about 4 hours)
[06:22] <\sh> would be very kind of u :)
[06:22] <jamessan|work> lunch time
[06:22] <\sh> so..and now I go and have a shower...and after that...going to an irish pub named jamessons :)
[06:35] <siretart> hi folks
[06:36] <siretart> I'm trying to fix sfs in breezy. I located the problem, /usr/bin/rpcgen does not create sourcefiles for consumption with gcc-4 :/
[06:36] <siretart> how should I proceed?
[07:26] <pef> hello !
[07:36] <pef> Within few words, how can I help you ?
[07:37] <ivoks> ?
[07:38] <siretart> HA!
[07:38] <siretart> it is an own, buggy rpc generator, and I think I located the bug
[08:25] <bradb> have any of you guys entered malone via https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone ?
[08:26] <bradb> just wondering if anyone has, and could describe to me a bit what they thought about the process of going from /malone to getting to the right place to search and report bugs on a thing
[08:28] <Lathiat> bradb: well, for a start, theres no clear starting point for a search
[08:28] <Lathiat> instead i have 2 half-search options (distro, assigned)
[08:29] <Lathiat> after clicking down the distro line i learn i can search from there, but thats not entirely obvious,and what if i want to search among alldistros?
[08:30] <Lathiat> bradb: also doing an advanced search cuasesa system error. ;)
[08:31] <bradb> Lathiat: it does indeed. i have a fix for that that just needs to be rolled out
[08:31] <bradb> Lathiat: interesting points about /malone. i feel the same way.
[08:31] <Lathiat> the 2 options that are there arent so bad,but there should be a clear "search" option
[08:31] <bradb> Lathiat: when you come to /malone, what are you expecting to do?
[08:32] <Lathiat> bradb: search for my bug to see if its already reported
[08:32] <tseng> when i come there i am expecting to click something like My Bugs and see the listing
[08:33] <tseng> which works, but the wording of it seems odd
[08:33] <bradb> like bugzilla eh
[08:33] <tseng> #
[08:33] <tseng> # Assigned Bug Reports - retrieve reports on bugs assigned to a specific person
[08:34] <Lathiat> also under file bug, it says something about "CCmanually" if its a private bug, but theres no option on that page or CCing and thebutton says 'Add' which indicates to me that thats the last step
[08:34] <tseng> i almost always want bugs assigned to *me*
[08:34] <tseng> which is what it gives you
[08:34] <tseng> but the wording is small
[08:34] <Lathiat> yeh that page shows yours by default
[08:34] <Lathiat> with a search
[08:34] <Lathiat> that should be worded better
[08:34] <Lathiat> the actual interface seems to be pretty cool tho
[08:35] <tseng> "If you're not sure, start here."
[08:35] <tseng> this is almost certainly wrong for "file a bug"
[08:35] <Lathiat> yeh you should be searching
[08:35] <tseng> in an ideal world everyone will search first thing
[08:36] <Lathiat> perhaps enter the package nameand view recent reports,or popular reports
[08:36] <tseng> both would be useful
[08:36] <Lathiat> with the option to search further
[08:37] <Lathiat> also when i login i specify 'lathiat@bur.st'
[08:37] <Lathiat> but i seem indications about 'lathiat'
[08:37] <Lathiat> like on the mybugs page, the deault assignee is 'lathiat'
[08:37] <bradb> ah, yes
[08:38] <tseng> ah we have a motu group now
[08:40] <bradb> what about, say, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs ? what are your thoughts on that page?
[08:40] <tseng> oh wow
[08:40] <tseng> hang on
[08:40] <tseng> i did view distro bugs, right
[08:40] <tseng> it shows me a big list
[08:40] <tseng> i see a bug that belongs to me, and click it
[08:41] <tseng> i have NFC how to assign it to myself
[08:41] <tseng> do i "subscribe"?
[08:41] <Lathiat> or "edit bug details"
[08:41] <bradb> that's really confusing, indeed
[08:41] <tseng> edit bug doesnt help
[08:42] <bradb> i'd say the same thing if i were you guys ;)
[08:42] <Lathiat> hehe
[08:42] <tseng> can i get a clue? :P
[08:43] <tseng> bradb: but dude i like that second view much better
[08:43] <Lathiat> like, people could mess with bugs,and updates really shouldbe in comments no?
[08:43] <tseng> bradb: as a maintainer
[08:43] <bradb> tseng: gimme an example bug and let's walk through it
[08:43] <tseng> 1028
[08:43] <bradb> or rather, you walk me through it
[08:43] <bradb> ok, 1028
[08:43] <tseng> ok, i told you how i got here
[08:43] <tseng> from there I clicked edit bug
[08:43] <tseng> and am now "stuck"
[08:44] <bradb> tseng: look at the "Needs fixing in..." part of the page
[08:44] <tseng> see it
[08:45] <bradb> tseng: talk to me about that part of the page
[08:45] <tseng> ok so its not obvious to me that that part of the page has an "action"
[08:45] <tseng> all the actions are, obviously, in the action bar
[08:46] <tseng> assigning a bug is a common action i would want to do
[08:47] <tseng> the link "ubuntu tomboy" in no way suggests to me that its the way to assign it to myself :)
[08:47] <bradb> me neither :P
[08:47] <tseng> once you tip me off to that
[08:47] <tseng> putting my name in the right box is simple enough
[08:48] <tseng> but saving changes should put me back on the bug
[08:48] <tseng> not drop me back on the edit page
[08:49] <tseng> actually, usability wise im not even sure *how* to get back now
[08:49] <tseng> clicking 1028 on the breadcrumb goes back to the page im on again
[08:49] <bradb> it's confusing yes, because there's no link back to the other page
[08:50] <tseng> exactly
[08:50] <tseng> using browser back is broken to the average user
[08:50] <bradb> i'm creating a branch right now to make some usability improvements to that page
[08:50] <tseng> great :D
[08:51] <tseng> one problem with usability testing and geeks is.. now that i know how to assign, it will seem like less and less of a problem as time passes
[08:51] <tseng> i imagine thats where you guys are at looking at this thing every day
[08:52] <bradb> tseng: imagine how difficult it is for /me/ to understand what goes through the heads of non-Malone maintainers when they use Malone :P
[08:52] <tseng> i can :)
[08:52] <bradb> that's why feedback like this is so intriguing and informative
[08:52] <tseng> ok so i hit back to 1028, and then tried Bugs from the breadcrumb
[08:53] <tseng> system error, dunno if you can reproduce it
[08:53] <bradb> i can reproduce it
[08:54] <tseng> ok now i went to bug 1035
[08:54] <tseng> it belongs to me also.
[08:54] <tseng> the first report (summary?) has a ton of debugging output
[08:54] <tseng> that little Needs fixing in box isnt even visible
[08:55] <tseng> untill i scroll way down
[08:56] <tseng> im going to go back and close 1028 now
[08:56] <tseng> my first thought is still in the Actions menu
[08:56] <tseng> but now i know better
[08:56] <tseng> in fact, the actions menu doesnt seem terribly useful
[08:57] <tseng> for my use cases so far
[08:58] <bradb> (note: i filed the /malone/bugs bug as 1069)
[08:59] <tseng> cheers
[08:59] <bradb> tseng: interesting note, that, about the actions portlet not seeming useful for your use cases thus far
[08:59] <tseng> i was expecting
[09:00] <tseng> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs this
[09:00] <tseng> bradb: i would probably Subscribe to bugs (this is like bugzilla CC?) and mark as duplicate
[09:00] <tseng> edit bug to change bad titles
[09:00] <tseng> but some of the other ones i dont even have a guess what they do
[09:01] <tseng> "infestation"
[09:01] <tseng> i know what CVE is, most people dont
[09:01] <bradb> infestations are all our fault
[09:01] <tseng> and web link
[09:01] <tseng> I can put in a comment or summary
[09:02] <tseng> activity log
[09:02] <tseng> on bugzilla, pretty much any change is reflected with a comment
[09:03] <tseng> this might be wrong, but im acustomed to it and having two pages tracking one bug doesnt compute
[09:04] <bradb> that is a fascinating problem for us to solve. really.
[09:04] <bradb> how to model the fact that one bug can appear in many different places, and do so in a way that non-Malone maintainers (like, say, my grandmother) could make some sense of
[09:04] <tseng> basically if i want to change status (close) a bug in bz, i *have* to leave a comment
[09:04] <tseng> like "closing bug, fixed in cvs"
[09:05] <tseng> if i reopen a bug, it doesnt
[09:05] <tseng> so im sort of left to wonder, who/when reopened this
[09:05] <tseng> if i dont read the automated mail, that is
[09:06] <tseng> so bz isnt perfect either :P
[09:06] <bradb> heh
[09:08] <tseng> would it be bad to inline comments from multiple bugs?
[09:08] <tseng> like Comment #1 from Malone
[09:08] <tseng> Comment #2 imported from DBS
[09:09] <tseng> i guess that would get confusing inline
[09:09] <tseng> they could be seperated
[09:09] <bradb> we'll be doing that with the debbugs sync, to the best of my knowledge
[09:09] <tseng> so status changes in DBS could generate a comment on the malone page?
[09:10] <bradb> the debbugs db would be synched periodically
[09:10] <bradb> s/would be/will fairly soon be/
[09:11] <tseng> hm
[09:11] <tseng> debugs i find much more baffling than malone
[09:12] <bradb> email interfaces are hard to design well, it would seem. we have one now for Malone.
[09:17] <bradb> tseng: anything else you wanted to talk about re: the screens we've just been discussing?
[09:17] <tseng> i just CC'd myself on 1069
[09:17] <tseng> and it pretty much went as expected
[09:17] <tseng> thumbs up on that, besides it being in two places
[09:18] <tseng> (actions and people)
[09:18] <tseng> i have no idea what an infestation is
[09:18] <tseng> but i feel victimized
[09:18] <bradb> heh. i think i'll remove that.
[09:19] <tseng> fun words :)
[09:19] <tseng> yeah if you could clean up actions and put some stuff im more likely to use in there..
[09:19] <tseng> it would be alot more obvious
[09:19] <tseng> the biggest thing that isnt clear is edit bugs vs needs fixing in
[09:20] <tseng> im used to it being one task
[09:20] <tseng> and actually all on the main page
[09:20] <tseng> not that it should be
[09:21] <tseng> i think thats it from me
[09:22] <bradb> ok, thanks, this has been a thoroughly productive conversation.
[09:22] <tseng> great
[09:23] <tseng> oh
[09:23] <tseng> is there a way to say all bugs against a certain package should get assigned to me
[09:24] <bradb> not yet, but you're one of many who's asked about it, which suggests that we should try to address that soon.
[09:24] <bradb> i'll file a bug on that right now too, if there isn't one already
[09:24] <tseng> k
[09:29] <bradb> 1070
[09:31] <tseng> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1070
[09:31] <tseng> looking at that
[09:31] <tseng> it has the same text posted 3 times
[09:35] <bradb> i think mark has a fix on the way for this, so that a summary (the thing shown in bold at the top) isn't created from the description by default
[09:35] <bradb> and thus, that bold-fu would be gone
[09:35] <tseng> k.
[10:07] <ivoks> anyone else has problems with X in breezy?
[10:07] <HiddenWolf> aside from X being X? ;)
[10:08] <ivoks> :)
[10:08] <ivoks> it was ok untill last update
[10:08] <ivoks> now it configures my keyboard as 101 keys, us
[10:08] <ivoks> not 105
[10:09] <tseng> you didnt need the other 4 anyway
[10:09] <ivoks> i did :)
[10:09] <ivoks> i use windows key all the time
[10:12] <bddebian> Heya tritium
[10:12] <tritium> hey there bddebian :)
[10:58] <jamessan> \sh: I blame you for making my laptop lock up and reboot  :p
[11:08] <siretart> GNAAARF!
[11:08] <siretart> got sfs to compile with gcc-4.0, now I have amd64 issues.. GNARF
[11:10] <siretart> WAAAH: dataPtr *dp = new dataPtr; (*cb)((int)dp);
[11:12] <jamessan> heh
[11:12] <schweeb> hey all
[11:17] <siretart> any c++ gurus available?
[11:17] <siretart> how comes that with gcc-3.3 the following is 'just' an warning:
[11:18] <siretart> In member function `void
[11:18] <siretart>    dataNode::GC_cb_reinsertDone(node*, dataPtr*, ref<callback<void, void, void,
[11:18] <siretart>    void> >, char, int)':
[11:18] <siretart> /build/buildd/sfs-0.8-0+pre20041016.1/adb/dataNode.C:454: warning: cast to
[11:18] <siretart>    pointer from integer of different size
[11:18] <siretart> I'm trying to transition it to gcc-4, and I'm getting an error there
[11:33] <siretart> anyone awake? ;)
[11:41] <lesliev> I am :)
[11:42] <siretart> ah, hi lesliev :)
[11:44] <siretart> I'm at your package right now, btw ;)
[11:44] <lesliev> ok!
[11:44] <lesliev> seems extremely risky to cast integers to pointers
[11:45] <siretart> lesliev: it is
[11:45] <lesliev> Is that line 454? dataPtr *dp = new dataPtr; (*cb)((int)dp);
[11:45] <siretart> lesliev: I have it written here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11940
[11:46] <siretart> lesliev: it clearly needs porting work. it would be best if upstream would handle it.
[11:47] <lesliev> yes, you are right
[11:47] <lesliev> have you used sfs?
[11:47] <lesliev> It looks very interesting, I didn't know there was a secure nfs
[11:47] <siretart> nope. but it is in the libraryCxxTransition list
[11:47] <siretart> jupp
[11:48] <siretart> the source looks mostly clean
[11:49] <lesliev> Oh, I will send the sopwith stuff on to upstream too. I plan to help with as many as the .desktop files as I can.
[11:49] <lesliev> I think it's very important
[11:49] <siretart> great! :)
[11:50] <lesliev> Do you know how the system files the menu entries? How does it determine where in the menu to put an app?
[11:51] <siretart> I'm sorry, I didn't get this, too
[11:52] <lesliev> k
[11:52] <lesliev> I'll ask on the list
[12:01] <lesliev> siretart: how do you co-ordinate the Cxx list? Have a number of apps been assigned to you?