[12:00] <JDigital> mplayer is usually awesome
[12:00] <seth_k> Chetic, here you go: http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/hoary/backports/zsnes_1.420-0ubuntu1~5.04ubp1_i386.deb
[12:00] <djm62> zyth: mplayer has done that for me, too...there is a preferences option to adjust the audio offset
[12:00] <zyth> djm62, ahh
[12:00] <Chetic> seth_k, that's awesome.. thanks!
[12:00] <djm62> why it wasn't right to begin with, I have no idea...multimedia--
[12:00] <seth_k> Chetic, wait, are you wanting for 64-bit?
[12:00] <Chetic> oh heh it's not?
[12:00] <seth_k> Chetic, I just now scrolled up and read
[12:01] <Chetic> yeah that's what I need
[12:01] <zyth> it claims my system is too slow to play it
[12:01] <zyth> lol
[12:01] <JDigital> I think mplayer sometimes goes out of sync whenever it's using too much CPU
[12:01] <scorpix> is gaim 1.3.1 been backported to ubuntu?
[12:01] <JDigital> yeah
[12:01] <JDigital> try -vo sdl
[12:01] <seth_k> Chetic, zSNES is in x86 assembly, so doesn't work with 64-bit :(
[12:01] <JDigital> mplayer -vo sdl whatever.avi
[12:01] <seth_k> scorpix, yes, it's in staging
[12:01] <Chetic> seth_k, ever? it won't ever work?
[12:01] <JDigital> it uses less CPU
[12:01] <djm62> Chetic: snes9x is the one to work on
[12:01] <djm62> endian-safe goodness :)
[12:01] <Chetic> djm62, yeah but snes9x-x just doesn't exist in the lists
[12:01] <seth_k> Chetic, no, not unless someone ports it to x64, which won't happen. try snes9x :/
[12:01] <visor> hi
[12:01] <pfp> heh, maybe you could run 32-bit under some emulator on 64
[12:02] <zyth> should I install totem-xine anyways?  Is it happier than totem-gstreamer?
[12:02] <djm62> Chetic: you'll need to get the source...
[12:02] <JDigital> shame, that would mean that zsnes might eventually go dead
[12:02] <JDigital> no use mplayer, mplayer is awesome
[12:02] <Chetic> djm62, ok, lame
[12:02] <JDigital> mplayer mplayer mplayer
[12:02] <zyth> JDigital, lol
[12:02] <lsuactiafner> mplayer is the best.
[12:02] <zyth> I guess I'll just set vo=sdl in my mplayer .config
[12:02] <visor> do you guys know where to start (what documentation to read) to have multiple ip addresses on the same machine (having two NIC's of course) or what software do i need?
[12:02] <djm62> Chetic: such is the lot of the early adopter...serves you right for being able to afford 64-bit ;)
[12:03] <Seveas> visor, man ifconfig is a good place
[12:03] <scorpix> mplayer is good but still doesn't play .3gp file like xine :(
[12:03] <lsuactiafner> visor : brctl might be usefull
[12:03] <lsuactiafner> i have 3 nics
[12:03] <djm62> visor: multiple upstream IPs?
[12:03] <Chetic> djm62, it costed less than the other one.. and everything else seems to work great on ubuntu anyway
[12:03] <Seveas> visor, you can even have multiple ip-adresses on one nic :)
[12:03] <LinuxJones> visor, you can set seperate static ip addresses in network-admin for your devices
[12:03] <visor> Seveas: so there is no need for external software else than the bundled? (ipconfig, and so)
[12:03] <pfp> visor: also "ip command reference" from somewhere is handy
[12:04] <Seveas> visor, no
[12:04] <pfp> visor: http://linux-ip.net/gl/ip-cref/
[12:04] <djm62> Chetic: dead easy...type apt-get source snes9x-x
[12:05] <husky1982> hi guys
[12:05] <visor> o great thanks, and actually i never have done such a thing, but a friend of mine asked me, so basically what he asked me was that, how to setup two nic to test the routing of two different networks
[12:05] <LinuxJones> husky1982, hiya
[12:05] <visor> thank you guys, ill have an eye on those docs now
[12:05] <pfp> there's even a recipe for just that, don't remember where of course
[12:06] <concept10> im trying to change values in some files located /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq  I have used echo and text editor, the values will not change!  What gives?
[12:06] <Chetic> djm62, that was easy... not... E: Unable to find a source package for snes9x-x
[12:06] <djm62> Chetic: I'm guessing that someone's abandoned that package... :(
[12:06] <_cazabam> concept10: what are you trying to change?
[12:07] <djm62> Chetic: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/source/snes9x
[12:07] <seth_k> seth@erebus:~/ubuntu/hoary/backports/snes9x$ apt-get source snes9x
[12:07] <seth_k> no -x
[12:07] <Chetic> oh
[12:07] <concept10> _cazabam, cpu freq min and max values
[12:07] <Chetic> nope
[12:07] <AySink> Demoing Ubuntu to a Windows developer (advocacy) - say  "Hi!"
[12:07] <husky1982> got a little problem.. I'm just trying to work with ubuntu. I got a laptop whch works fine with ubuntu and a server running ubuntu without gnome. I have adressed the whole eth adapters and now i have to set up the routing informations to allow the server to conect to the internet over the laptop.. i think so ;)
[12:07] <husky1982> but where?
[12:08] <_cazabam> concept10: can't change those there - they're read from the BIOS
[12:08] <zwart> Hi windows developer
[12:08] <seth_k> Hi windows person
[12:08] <AySink> :) Thanks
[12:08] <_cazabam> concept10: check out cpufreqd
[12:08] <zwart> welcome to the wonderfull world of linux
[12:08] <Chetic> haha he'll be fired
[12:08] <seth_k> it's so wonderful, it has two L's
[12:08] <caonex_> anybody here using any iptables frontend?
[12:08] <AySink> hehe his boss doesn't know he's here
[12:08] <AySink> thanks guys - gotta run
[12:08] <concept10> _cazabam, are you sure about that?
[12:08] <Chetic> guess the boss showed up
[12:09] <seth_k> Chetic, that command didn't work? (with no -x)
[12:09] <Chetic> seth_k, nope
[12:09] <_cazabam> concept10: yup - that's not a real filesystem you're looking at there
[12:09] <lsuactiafner> husky1982 : route add default gw ip
[12:09] <lsuactiafner> i think.
[12:09] <Fabian> pfp, been sweating?
[12:09] <Fabian> :D
[12:09] <msg431> hello
[12:09] <_cazabam> concept10: it's sysfs
[12:09] <pfp> Fabian: lol
[12:09] <msg431> I made a script and put it in /etc/init.d
[12:09] <husky1982> thx lsu :)
[12:10] <msg431> what do I need to do to have that script start on boot
[12:10] <seth_k> Chetic: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and make sure the lines with deb-src are uncommented, especially the one with multiverse
[12:10] <pfp> Fabian: everything running?
[12:10] <heimdall> Seveas, Hi, can I ask you a question about a problem I have with my ubuntu ?
[12:10] <Fabian> pfp, tried windows too! I even updated it quickly :D
[12:10] <seth_k> Chetic, snes9x is in multiverse
[12:10] <Chetic> seth_k, they're all uncommented
[12:10] <seth_k> bah
[12:10] <pfp> cool
[12:10] <Seveas> heimdall, of course you can
[12:10] <Fabian> pfp, looks good
[12:10] <heimdall> thanks
[12:10] <Fabian> lol
[12:10] <concept10> _cazabam, i understand that but you should be able to change the files.
[12:10] <Seveas> but ask in the channel, there are other smart people here too :)
[12:10] <Fabian> pfp, my problem ain't solved though... :(
[12:10] <seth_k> Chetic, so you have:
[12:10] <seth_k> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe multiverse
[12:10] <seth_k> er
[12:10] <Anon5559> for all who care I have sucessfully emualted Ubuntu on Virtual PC, VMware, and QEMU
[12:11] <seth_k> s/breezy/hoary
[12:11] <pfp> Fabian: yep :(
[12:11] <seth_k> ;)
[12:11] <heimdall> well I already asked in the channel but I can repeat of course
[12:11] <_cazabam> concept10: what would you expect to happen if you edited the files?
[12:11] <heimdall> first excuse my poor english
[12:11] <heimdall> I'm french in fact..
[12:11] <heimdall> :)
[12:11] <_cazabam> msg431: look in /etc/rc2.d
[12:11] <Seveas> heimdall, there is #ubuntu-fr too :)
[12:11] <msg431> _cazabam, ok
[12:11] <heimdall> yeah
[12:11] <LinuxJones> heimdall, there is a French language irc channel #ubuntu-fr
[12:11] <heimdall> but there are not many people there
[12:11] <concept10> _cazabam, I want my processor to scale up to its maximum speed
[12:11] <heimdall> and nobody knows for my pb
[12:11] <heimdall> :)
[12:11] <heimdall> (yeah I tried)
[12:12] <seth_k> donc, qu'est-ce qu'il y a? ;)
[12:12] <msg431> _cazabam, do I move my script there?
[12:12] <_cazabam> concept10: is the value currently in scaling_max_freq equal to the max speed of your proc?
[12:12] <LinuxJones> heimdall, what's your problem again ?
[12:12] <heimdall> hehe seth_k
[12:12] <paxon> oui c'est quoi le probleme, just kidding.
[12:12] <heimdall> yep
[12:12] <_cazabam> msg431: no, stick it in /etc/init.d
[12:12] <heimdall> well
[12:12] <heimdall> I just installed ubuntu
[12:12] <heimdall> on my laptop
[12:12] <Chetic> seth_k, yeah I have the multiverse with sources
[12:12] <Fabian> pfp, so what now? I hate installing everything again.... the standard system ain't enough. I need gcc and the sources and some other stuff again.....
[12:12] <_cazabam> msg431: then symlink it to /etc/rc2.d and call it S##yourscript - where ## is a number like 80
[12:12] <heimdall> I arrive on the screen where I have to put my login/pwd
[12:12] <concept10> _cazabam, no its set at 1590000 my processor is 2.66 ghz so it should be 2660000
[12:12] <heimdall> I do it, press enter
[12:12] <heimdall> and then
[12:13] <heimdall> I have a brown screen, a white cursor, and nothing else
[12:13] <pfp> Fabian: hmm... maybe you could remove just hda5 and hda2
[12:13] <seth_k> Chetic, the only thing I can think then is that apt has decided that you can't build snes9x on an x64 system, maybe for the same reason as zSNES
[12:13] <_cazabam> concept10: hmmm - probably want to check your bios setting or something
[12:13] <lsuactiafner> i wish openmosix would release a nice new patch
[12:13] <_cazabam> concept10: but just installing and running cpufreqd automatically puts mine to top speed
[12:13] <heimdall> but a strange sound which seems to be repeating himself
[12:13] <Fabian> pfp, lol, what good is that?
[12:13] <LinuxJones> heimdall, is this after a brand new install ?
[12:13] <Seveas> heimdall, ouch
[12:13] <Chetic> seth_k, ok.. so basically SNES emulation isn't possible on a 64-bit machine running Ubuntu now.. that's great
[12:13] <heimdall> yeah
[12:13] <msg431> _cazabam, thanks
[12:13] <concept10> _cazabam, my bios doesnt have any cpu speed related settings -
[12:13] <Seveas> you seem to be bitten by a nasty esd bug i guess
[12:13] <heimdall> brand new
[12:14] <zyth> Chetic, you could try running zsnes under wine?
[12:14] <husky1982> huiuiui
[12:14] <heimdall> I made it 1 hour ago
[12:14] <Seveas> heimdall, is it a drumming sound?
[12:14] <_cazabam> concept10: what machine you running?
[12:14] <heimdall> sorry, drumming ?
[12:14] <concept10> _cazabam, how to invoke cpufreqd?
[12:14] <Chetic> zyth, yeah that's a real good idea >_>
[12:14] <LinuxJones> heimdall, and it's Hoary ?
[12:14] <zyth> lol
[12:14] <zyth> hey, just trying to be helpful here ;)
[12:14] <_cazabam> concept10: just 'apt-get install cpufreqd' and it starts automatically
[12:14] <Seveas> heimdall, as in drums, the things you make a lot of noise with
[12:14] <husky1982> ok, the next question.. got the eth0 set up to a static ip-adress
[12:14] <pfp> Fabian: then you would have two free areas, maybeyou could make partitions there
[12:14] <Seveas> meeting...
[12:14] <heimdall> hum so yes
[12:14] <husky1982> how to set it to dhcp by terminal. ifconfig eth0 ????
[12:15] <robertj> what's the best supported integrated chipset out there these days for video?
[12:15] <robertj> the nvidia line?
[12:15] <_cazabam> concept10: check /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq to see what you're running at before and after
[12:15] <microhaxo> bah
[12:15] <heimdall> yeah it is drum
[12:15] <microhaxo> this is bs
[12:15] <seth_k> Chetic, I think you're gonna have to somehow get a 32-bit environment set up inside your 64-bit. or do what zyth suggested and try it through wine?
[12:15] <Fabian> but I need those stupid files on hda5! I can't just remove them!
[12:15] <LinuxJones> heimdall, can you access the laptop right now ?
[12:15] <concept10> _cazabam, I have a HP laptop, 2.66ghz it only runs at 1.59 with linux - Ive been running like this for a year - IM FIXING THIS TODAY!!!!!
[12:15] <heimdall> linukso : I'm on my laptop, but with windows :/
[12:15] <_cazabam> concept10: hehe ok :) you have cpufreqd yet?
[12:15] <LinuxJones> heimdall, ;(
[12:15] <heimdall> damn
[12:16] <heimdall> I meant LinuxJones :)
[12:16] <heimdall> I can tell you things
[12:16] <heimdall> like :
[12:16] <heimdall> I can open a xterm session
[12:16] <concept10> _cazabam,  # cat cpuinfo_cur_freq
[12:16] <concept10> 1599960
[12:16] <zyth> !restricted
[12:16] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:16] <LinuxJones> heimdall, do you know how to upgrade your system software ?
[12:16] <_cazabam> hmmmmm....
[12:16] <pfp> Fabian: oh, mm, it's also possible to clone an ubuntu setup
[12:16] <LinuxJones> heimdall, form the command line ?
[12:17] <LinuxJones> *from
[12:17] <heimdall> no
[12:17] <LinuxJones> heimdall, ok
[12:17] <Fabian> pfp, I think the main problem was Grub! As Grub can't finde the defined partitions any more!
[12:17] <heimdall> I can't have access to the internet
[12:17] <heimdall> I think...
[12:17] <husky1982> hm
[12:17] <heimdall> and I precise, I'm with a 56k connexion...
[12:17] <Fabian> pfp, how to clone?
[12:17] <pfp> Fabian: but linux couldn't find them either, so the partition table we set up was faulty
[12:17] <heimdall> everything's good with me :(
[12:17] <concept10> _cazabam, thanks for the help....not too many people know about that subject
[12:17] <LinuxJones> heimdall, that's not good :)
[12:18] <heimdall> yep
[12:18] <heimdall> thats my life with linux
[12:18] <heimdall> never worked
[12:18] <_cazabam> concept10: try using 'cpufreq-selector -f 2660000'
[12:18] <pfp> Fabian: it's easy with two disks, or two machines on a fast network
[12:18] <heimdall> but I try.... I try.... and try
[12:18] <_cazabam> concept10: ok, here to help :)
[12:18] <concept10> _cazabam, i have cpufreqd running
[12:18] <heimdall> but now I really don't know
[12:18] <husky1982> lsuactiafner, can you give me a hint?
[12:18] <LinuxJones> heimdall, do you have access to another computer that you can login to irc and work on your laptop ?
[12:18] <Fabian> pfp, got only one external USB disk!
[12:18] <heimdall> hum no
[12:18] <heimdall> :(
[12:18] <mbeattie_> how come the firefox icon is the earth icon and not the firefox one by default?
[12:18] <pfp> Fabian: that won't help much :()()(
[12:19] <Fabian> pfp, no it won't! :D
[12:19] <heimdall> I have to reboot each time
[12:19] <pfp> Fabian: no 2nd computer?
[12:19] <_cazabam> concept10: ok, and it is still slow? Have you tried cpufreq-selector?
[12:19] <Fabian> pfp, only 10mb ethernet and no huge HD
[12:19] <concept10> _cazabam, I ran that command and nothing happened, no output
[12:20] <LinuxJones> heimdall, have you tried a live cd to see if that works ?
[12:20] <robertj> unfortunately, dell stopped offering the $65 upgrade to the Ultrasharps :(
[12:20] <heimdall> LinuxJones : I didn't told you, maybe the problem come frome the chipset SiS630
[12:20] <concept10> _cazabam, current speed still the same
[12:20] <heimdall> LinuxJones : same pb with the live cd
[12:20] <pfp> Fabian: hmm, it's still doable with 10M eth if there's enough space to hold your linux installation (compressed)
[12:20] <_cazabam> concept10: sounds like a specific bug with your laptop
[12:20] <Fabian> pfp, how much will that be?
[12:20] <_cazabam> concept10: you use ACPI?
[12:20] <RuffianSoldier> where is the ubuntu sparkle background located?
[12:20] <RuffianSoldier> what directory
[12:21] <husky1982> hm
[12:21] <pfp> Fabian: df -h, then multiply the usage with about 0.7
[12:21] <husky1982> does anybody got two minutes for me?
[12:21] <concept10> _cazabam, do you mean is it configured? not sure
[12:21] <heimdall> LinuxJones : in fact I installed ubuntu twice... the first time I didn't see the bottom of the installation screen, a do it again putin "boot : linux vga=771" and it was ok with the console mode
[12:21] <pfp> Fabian: unless there's lots of music/movies which won't compress
[12:22] <_cazabam> concept10: if you didn't specifically turn it off, it will be on :)
[12:22] <heimdall> LinuxJones : so maybe it is ok for the console mode, but not for X ?
[12:22] <pfp> Fabian: tell you what, we could continue this tomorrow, if that's ok
[12:22] <Fabian> pfp, no I haven't got any files on my linux system. Everything's on that Fat part. so what do you need? Used MB of hda4?
[12:22] <fivre> hey, how do I do monitor calibration?
[12:22] <heimdall> LinuxJones : but here, I don't know what to do, and if it SiS630 the cause of the pb
[12:22] <LinuxJones> heimdall, you can try editing your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file using nano and change the video driver from whatever it is now to vesa
[12:23] <heimdall> hum
[12:23] <pfp> Fabian: yea, you need to copy that over the network... and also, you need to copy the fat's content somewhere
[12:23] <concept10> _cazabam, It should be on. I have to find out more about the bios settings.  Im tired of this crap. :)  I will write a wiki page when I figure this out
[12:23] <LinuxJones> heimdall, that driver works with most video cards (rather slowly) but it does work
[12:23] <heimdall> hum
[12:23] <Fabian> pfp, hda4 used are 2.4G. Got the Fat stuff backed up
[12:23] <heimdall> LinuxJones : okay, but what do I do if there is no file like that ?
[12:24] <lsuactiafner> husky1982 : what?
[12:24] <husky1982> ah ;)
[12:24] <RuffianSoldier> where is the ubuntu sparkle background located?
[12:24] <heimdall> LinuxJones : I prefer ask, because you know... I have to reboot each time
[12:24] <bkudria> kdm doesn't display a list of users like i told it too...what gives?
[12:24] <bkudria> (everyone in  #kubuntu is asleep)
[12:24] <concept10> _cazabam, I looked in the inside of my laptop with a microscope,  there are about 10 deamons in front of my processor asking it to please scale up beyond 1.59 ghz
[12:24] <Fabian> pfp, so I need around 1.68 GB of diskspace?
[12:25] <lsuactiafner> husky1982 : look into dnsmasq, i use that but not dhcp.. dont like automation
[12:25] <LinuxJones> heimdall, ok or you can try opening another terminal when you see the gnome login screen. Hit ctrl + alt + F2, login as your user then type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, for your video driver to use select vesa
[12:25] <husky1982> I got the eth0 set up with a static IP adress. How to set it up with dhcp by terminal?
[12:25] <Fabian> could do that, I think.... on a ext3 partition?
[12:25] <pfp> Fabian: something like that, 2G would be safe
[12:25] <bkudria> husky1982: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[12:25] <Fabian> pfp, privat for a sec, and then we both go to bed, aight?
[12:25] <Fabian> ;)
[12:25] <bkudria> husky1982: replace the word 'static' with 'dhcp'
[12:25] <pfp> Fabian: aight, heh
[12:25] <LinuxJones> heimdall, sorry you have to type sudo -s (enter your user password) before you type that command
[12:26] <_cazabam> concept10: ok, the wiki page would be cool on the Ubuntu site. only advice I can find is to uninstall cpufreqd
[12:26] <husky1982> won't work :(
[12:26] <deviant> hello guys
[12:26] <bkudria> husky1982: and comment out the lines that defines the ip
[12:26] <husky1982> but i'll just have another try
[12:26] <_cazabam> concept10: the reboot and install speedfreq  - does a similar job and reportedly works with HP laptops
[12:26] <husky1982> okay
[12:26] <bkudria> husky1982: why not?
[12:26] <heimdall> LinuxJones : Ok I not
[12:26] <heimdall> note
[12:26] <bkudria> kdm doesn't display a list of users like i told it too...what gives?
[12:26] <deviant> for a creative soun blaster live card, what do i need to install, besides emu10k1 module ?
[12:26] <deviant> *sound
[12:26] <husky1982> mom
[12:27] <heimdall> LinuxJones : and then I'll find a line in a file which I should change and put 'vesa'
[12:27] <concept10> _cazabam, thanks.
[12:27] <RuffianSoldier> where is the ubuntu sparkle background located?
[12:27] <zyth> does k3b still spectacularly fail to work if I install it in gnome ubuntu like it did in Warty?
[12:27] <_cazabam> concept10: ok, no probs
[12:27] <LinuxJones> heimdall, the ctrl + alt +F2 will open a new login screen, login then type sudo -s, enter your users password, then type dpkg-reconfigure-xserver-xorg, you can probably keep all of the defaults that come up by default except the video driver...select vesa
[12:28] <bkudria> RuffianSoldier: which one is that?
[12:28] <_cazabam> tired now - sleeeeeeeep (-_-)
[12:28] <fivre> How does one do monitor calibration?
[12:28] <robertj> RuffianSoldier: /usr/share/backgrounds
[12:28] <heimdall> LinuxJones : okay, I read on the web 'vesa=791' what does it mean ? what do you think of it ?
[12:28] <LinuxJones> heimdall, it's a configuration routine for setting up your X server it will ask a bunch of questions
[12:28] <Fabian> hey, anyone knows if the live CD of ubuntu got ssh server running???
[12:29] <LinuxJones> heimdall, if you load that module you don't need that
[12:29] <heimdall> okay
[12:29] <LinuxJones> heimdall, I am going for a smoke brb
[12:30] <heimdall> LinuxJones : okay, so I try
[12:30] <Fabian> Seveas, do you know if ubuntu live CD runs ssh server?
[12:30] <heimdall> thx, I'm pessimist, but I try....
[12:30] <LinuxJones> heimdall, hopefully you'll be in Ubuntu when I get back :)
[12:30] <pfp> i think Seveas went away...
[12:30] <Fabian> too bad
[12:30] <heimdall> yeah
[12:30] <husky1982> lsuactiafner?
[12:30] <Fabian> no answer from anyone else?
[12:30] <heimdall> I don't think but why not ;)
[12:30] <ws> I run amd64 hoary and I'm told its best to run a "chroot" of x86 to get everything working just as well as in x86?  What is a chroot and where is a good tutorial for me to follow?
[12:30] <jel> hi all first time using ubuntu or linux for that matter, im liking what I see so far but I have having problems accessing an NTFS formatted drive when I try to mount it this error is thrown "mount: can't find /dev/hd1 in /ect/fstab or etc/mtab"
[12:31] <mjr> ws, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24575
[12:31] <husky1982> got it now, but if i read out the ifconfig, theres no ip adress marked
[12:31] <lsuactiafner> ws : install a 32bit version of ubuntu somewhere and chroot to it.. like i do
[12:31] <ws> ahh
[12:31] <ws> mk
[12:31] <Fabian> jel, never write on a NTFS with linux. You gonna screw that partition
[12:31] <HappyFool> jel: mount takes (at least) two arguments
[12:31] <lsuactiafner> ws : but most programs run in the 64bit environemnt very very well
[12:31] <lsuactiafner> you dont need a chroot
[12:32] <HappyFool> jel: first make a mount point, something like /media/windows (e.g., sudo mkdir /media/windows)
[12:32] <ws> lsuactiafner, I've noticed but some regular 32bits arent in repository
[12:32] <ws> such as java and flash on mozilla
[12:32] <HappyFool> jel: then 'mount -t ntfs -o umask=000 /dev/hda1 /media/windows'
[12:32] <lsuactiafner> ws : i got the j2sdk and j2re from direct from sun
[12:32] <lsuactiafner> works perfectly
[12:32] <lsuactiafner> dont know about flash tho
[12:32] <HappyFool> jel: sorry, then 'sudo mount -t ntfs -o umask=000 /dev/hda1 /media/windows'
[12:33] <Seveas> Fabian, you can aptitude install openssh-server
[12:33] <Seveas> it's on the ce
[12:33] <Seveas> cd
[12:33] <Fabian> Seveas, with the live CD?
[12:33] <Seveas> hmm
[12:33] <Seveas> no :)
[12:33] <ws> ahh
[12:33] <jel> thanks for the info guys, ill just leave it for now as im running this on my work laptop and don't wanna screw it up, thanks anyway
[12:33] <ws> hmm
[12:33] <Fabian> Seveas, what now? :P
[12:33] <fivre> Hey, when you download a package and extract it, where do you open the program?
[12:33] <Seveas> it's still apt=get installable
[12:33] <HappyFool> jel: those commands mount read-only, should be safe
[12:33] <Seveas> but from the web
[12:34] <Fabian> Seveas, cool
[12:34] <Fabian> good to know
[12:34] <Fabian> Seveas, it'll install into ram or something???
[12:34] <Seveas> yes :|
[12:34] <Fabian> superduper
[12:34] <Seveas> so it'll be wiped when you reboot
[12:34] <Fabian> pfp, see? problem solverd
[12:34] <lsuactiafner> ws : i run firefox in a chroot tho..
[12:35] <Fabian> Alright, I'm off
[12:35] <lsuactiafner> basically becuase i dont feel like importing settings
[12:35] <lsuactiafner> lol
[12:35] <Fabian> cu tomorrow everyone
[12:36] <flyingpenguin900> hmm whats with this synaptic thing?
[12:36] <fivre> Where is te stuff I apt-got?
[12:36] <lsuactiafner> flyingpenguin900 : if it misfires you are fscked
[12:36] <lsuactiafner> front end to apt-get
[12:36] <flyingpenguin900> I just switched to ubuntu frome FC3(I am verry new to linux) and someone told me this is the yum replacement. but I serch for stuff, and nuthing comes up.
[12:37] <lsuactiafner> read up on wiki about it
[12:37] <Burgundavia> flyingpenguin900, have you enabled universe? I gather not
[12:37] <LinuxJones> flyingpenguin900, can you run synaptic ?
[12:38] <scorpix> is it possible to backport a nightly release of firefox?
[12:38] <flyingpenguin900> LinuxJones, yes, it does start with an error though. but that is because I closed wile in the middle of installing something befor
[12:38] <flyingpenguin900> Burgundavia, how would I do that?
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> scorpix : compiling firefox aint fun
[12:38] <lsuactiafner> trust me on that
[12:38] <scorpix> hmm
[12:39] <Bisclaveret> are there any dos/win VMs for ubuntu?
[12:39] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AddingRepositoriesHowto/
[12:39] <ironmc> why can I open my cdrom drives from the terminal but not by pushing the button on the drive?
[12:39] <Burgundavia> flyingpenguin900, see that link
[12:39] <scorpix> lsuactiafner: do you know when deer park 2 or the final version will release?
[12:40] <zwart> bisclav: you can get vmware for linux
[12:40] <zwart> not cheap though
[12:40] <Burgundavia> scorpix, no idea, but it will probably miss Breezy
[12:40] <Bisclaveret> zwart
[12:40] <Bisclaveret> ack. enter key. zwart: thats a little much for what i'm trying to do
[12:40] <lsuactiafner> no idea
[12:40] <mjr> Bisclaveret, dosbox will work for many older dos apps, wine will work for some windows software (though not a VM), and for a generic free vm, there's qemu
[12:40] <zwart> you could try wine
[12:40] <zwart> or bochs
[12:41] <zwart> wine isnt a vm though
[12:41] <Bisclaveret> i'm trying to extract some SFX archives of win2kpro ERD images to diskettes so i can attempt to repair my windows install, or copy the files to a fat16 formatted diskette to see if my 386 can extract them
[12:41] <refuze2looze> does anybody here use xmame?
[12:41] <lsuactiafner> dosbox rocks
[12:41] <lsuactiafner> lol
[12:41] <lsuactiafner> played dune2 in it
[12:41] <mjr> Bisclaveret, wine is a good bet for such a simple task as to run a self-extracter
[12:42] <concept10> refuze2looze, ive used it before
[12:42] <griff> ok, installed ubuntu - I've dragged an mp3 into rhythmbox but it cannot find a plugin... what do I need to install?
[12:42] <mjr> though you'd have to configure it a bit
[12:42] <HappyFool> !uboto restricted
[12:42] <djm62> http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2005/06/building_a_succ.html
[12:42] <ubotu> Wish i knew, HappyFool
[12:42] <HappyFool> bother
[12:42] <HappyFool> griff: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats should tell you what you need to do
[12:42] <refuze2looze> concept10: i was asking because i compiled a version with support for newer roms.. dunno if anyone is interested to have it made public
[12:42] <griff> HappyFool, thanks
[12:42] <griff> :)
[12:43] <Lefraru> Hola
[12:43] <witless> Xorg is taking up 99.9% of processor as soon as an X client/server connection is made, rendering the machine useless.  any suggestions?
[12:43] <concept10> refuze2looze, send it to the guy who maintains it
[12:43] <Lefraru> #ubuntu-es
[12:43] <refuze2looze> concept10: they don't support the newer roms for a reason ;)
[12:43] <mjr> witless, try the VESA driver
[12:43] <concept10> refuze2looze, copyright reasons?
[12:44] <flyingpenguin900> thank you Burgundavia.
[12:44] <witless> mjr, i have an nvidia card - is the nvidia driver not usable?
[12:44] <Burgundavia> flyingpenguin900, np
[12:44] <nalioth_wrkn> ubotu Restricted
[12:44] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[12:44] <refuze2looze> concept10: no. more like moral reasons. they don't want to support any game that was released within the past 3 years or so
[12:44] <HappyFool> ah
[12:44] <nalioth_wrkn> HappyFool: ya got to capitalize on your requests   lol
[12:44] <Bisclaveret> refuze2looze: i'd be happy if someone would make a mame32 with support for something more recent than mame v.64 ;)
[12:44] <concept10> refuze2looze, what kind of bs it that?  Anyway, gimme a PS2 emulator
[12:45] <seth_k> Bisclaveret, what's the current version of mame32?
[12:45] <refuze2looze> Bisclaveret: 0.64? why don't you use xmame 0.97??
[12:45] <mjr> witless, nobody knows if it's usable for your spesific situation, it being non-free and all
[12:45] <refuze2looze> concept10, hehe.. i wish i can do that =P
[12:45] <witless> mjr: can i select vesa in dpkg-reconfigure xorg-server ?
[12:45] <nalioth_wrkn> witless: you sure can
[12:46] <concept10> speaking of games, im off to pwn truecombat
[12:46] <witless> nalioth_wrkn: mjr: thx
[12:46] <refuze2looze> concept10, it's one thing to find mame drivers for roms here and there and throw em into the source code.. and another to make a ps2 emulator =P
[12:47] <husky1982> mein gott.. nchstes problem
[12:47] <refuze2looze> Bisclaveret, mame32 is for windows and it's dead anyways. what would you want with that? i do intend on eventaully creating my own frontend to the custom version of xmame (if i see that anybody has any interest in using it)
[12:47] <husky1982> okay, got the internet connection
[12:47] <griff> HappyFool, got it sorted! Thanks! :D
[12:47] <husky1982> now i installed the apatche
[12:47] <seth_k> hmm, xmame .86 is in ubuntu, and .96 is in debian. I might see about yoinking .97 into Ubuntu
[12:47] <husky1982> no rpoblem
[12:48] <nalioth_wrkn> husky1982: bitte?
[12:48] <husky1982> but if i try to install the mysql-server, it doesn't work..
[12:48] <husky1982> sais package mysql-server is not available, but is referred to another package...
[12:48] <refuze2looze> seth_k, the debian sid packages install perfectly on ubuntu btw.. i tried em
[12:49] <husky1982> ad so on
[12:49] <husky1982> nalioth, du verstehst mich wenigstens ;)
[12:49] <husky1982> hast du ahnung von dem zeuch?
[12:50] <seth_k> thanks for the info refuze2looze, if 0.97 doesn't appear soon I'll go ahead and grab it then
[12:50] <nalioth> husky1982: i used to verstehst sie, but its been 10 years back
[12:51] <Chetic> Why do I get this when trying to run an OpenGL application after installing and getting the fglrx drivers to work: "fgl_glxgears: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[12:51] <JDigital> Wonder why UAE isn't working.
[12:51] <JDigital> maybe it's a sound thing
[12:52] <Loki_VA> hi people
[12:52] <djm62> are those proprietary drivers, not fully supported on x86-64?
[12:52] <husky1982> nalioth,  hope you understand me.. do you know somethng about this mysql?
[12:52] <nalioth> husky1982: neither in deutch or english
[12:52] <Loki_VA> Whats with the fee CD offer? How can ubuntu afford to do this?
[12:52] <Loki_VA> *free
[12:52] <JDigital> It's run by a millionaire
[12:52] <husky1982> hm.. thats not that good
[12:52] <fivre> sponsorship
[12:53] <JDigital> or billionaire?
[12:53] <Chetic> djm62, they're extremly supported x86_64 drivers from ati
[12:53] <nalioth> Loki_VA: the founder of ubuntu has a few coins
[12:53] <djm62> a space millionaire ;)
[12:53] <Loki_VA> and will they ship to Australia?
[12:53] <zyth> bloody winetools
[12:53] <nalioth> Loki_VA: if you have a postal box, they'll ship
[12:53] <Loki_VA> im on dialup and only have 4.10 here
[12:53] <Loki_VA> cool
[12:53] <nalioth> Loki_VA: you are still ahead of things, on average
[12:54] <djm62> Chetic: then you're ok ;) ATI are wide open to you as a paying customer
[12:54] <Loki_VA> i dont have a post box but gave my home address will that matter?
[12:54] <microhaxo> Wtf
[12:54] <microhaxo> i installed the ATI DRIVER
[12:54] <Loki_VA> im running fedora now but really want to get into ubuntu
[12:54] <microhaxo> and i still get this error
[12:54] <microhaxo> GL_EXT_bgra not supported - bailing out.
[12:54] <JDigital> check you don't have an nVidia card
[12:54] <griff> ok - how do I login as root in ubuntu
[12:54] <griff> ?
[12:54] <Loki_VA> it's based on debian yes?
[12:54] <microhaxo> fedora = redhat
[12:54] <Chetic> djm62, well yeah... but it's not like their drivers is the big issue here.. it's more of an ubuntu problem I beleive
[12:54] <Bisclaveret> loki: they ship everywhere, almost
[12:54] <JDigital> sudo -s
[12:55] <Burgundavia> Loki_VA, yes
[12:55] <Burgundavia> Loki_VA, specifically, Debian Sid
[12:55] <Loki_VA> microhaxo, indeed
[12:55] <Loki_VA> nice
[12:55] <lsuactiafner> nvidia drivers work great as long as you dont use apt-get
[12:55] <Bisclaveret> loki: my package of 10 cd's was shipped for free to me in the US via 2-3 countries it looked like, i think sweden
[12:55] <lsuactiafner> in my experience
[12:55] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner, I would disagree with that
[12:55] <Loki_VA> Bisclaveret, how long did it take?
[12:55] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner, and please avoid telling people not to use apt-get
[12:55] <Bisclaveret> about 4 weeks
[12:56] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner, it is very bad advice, and likely to break peoples systems
[12:56] <Loki_VA> lol i could download it sooner than that on dialup hehe
[12:56] <lsuactiafner> Burgundavia : well they used apt-get and ran into a problem.. so my suggestion is valid
[12:56] <JDigital> nvidia drivers mysteriously worked for me
[12:56] <JDigital> I mean in the upgrade
[12:56] <Bisclaveret> probably. but i wish Mandrake had had that option
[12:56] <Chetic> the fuck.. somebody should know how to make applications find a file that I already HAVE
[12:56] <lsuactiafner> apt-get aint the endall beginall
[12:56] <JDigital> I had heard that nvidia drivers like dto crash
[12:56] <JDigital> when you upgraded to hoary
[12:56] <JDigital> I have the drivers from the website
[12:56] <lsuactiafner> Burgundavia : and it wouldnt break a system to compile from source.
[12:57] <lsuactiafner> compiling from source makes things more compatable for my specific system
[12:57] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner, telling people to compile from source is terrible advice, and should not be given
[12:57] <djm62> lsuactiafner: your case is atypical, most people will not be better off compiling from source
[12:57] <lsuactiafner> Burgundavia : whats wrong with source?
[12:57] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner, it does not interface with apt/dpkg
[12:58] <Burgundavia> and unless you know what you are doing, you can seriously mess up stuff
[12:58] <lsuactiafner> djm62 : yeh but it an option
[12:58] <djm62> lsuactiafner: it's an extra step that can go wrong, it places too much responsibility on the user to manually administer the system
[12:58] <lsuactiafner> unlike windows linux offers many alternatives.
[12:58] <lsuactiafner> djm62 : users shouldnt be idiots.
[12:58] <nalioth> Loki_VA: you order some, and hand them out (they're packaged quite nicely)
[12:59] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: we all started out as idiots
[12:59] <djm62> lsuactiafner: so is washing your hard drive with soap...anyone that can compile from source already knows how to do so, anyone that needs to be told shouldn't be doing it
[12:59] <lsuactiafner> nalioth : but then we progres..
[12:59] <djm62> lsuactiafner: and users shouldn't be administrators, as far as possible
[12:59] <djm62> (hence the name)
[01:00] <lsuactiafner> djm62 : i think its better to cheer ppl on to become power users
[01:00] <lsuactiafner> encourage em
[01:00] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: so it's possible to have peeps in here who are technically 'idiots'
[01:00] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner, that is fine, but a lot of people have no interest, and we need to cater to them as well, which linux traditionally doesn't do
[01:00] <djm62> who wants to be a "power user" with a broken machine?
[01:00] <Bisclaveret> djm62: i have extensive knowledge in CP/M and ms-dos 3.01-6.22, and a little bit of the win9x's, but i know virtually nothing about unix/linux, macs, or any form of programming language beyond COBOL and GW-BASIC. that makes me an ubernoob in most people's eyes ;)
[01:00] <lsuactiafner> well i'm catering to the power user..
[01:00] <HappyFool> djm62: but at least it's an *optimally* broken machine
[01:00] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: yes, the path to Power is a great one
[01:01] <lsuactiafner> and encouraging ppl to do as i do..
[01:01] <Burgundavia> in any case, this dicussion has dragged on long enough
[01:01] <lsuactiafner> if apt-get fails em i suggest an alternative
[01:01] <Burgundavia> #ubuntu is for helping people, and the ubuntu way is not to use source
[01:01] <lsuactiafner> Burgundavia : sounds like microsoft.
[01:01] <nalioth> Burgundavia: unless absolutely positively the last resort.. .. .. ..
[01:01] <Burgundavia> lsuactiafner, the option is there, we just don't promote it
[01:01] <refuze2looze> is there a utility to see CRC codes of files in a zip?
[01:02] <parabolize> I am trying to make a shell that copies a path.txt from a mod in se4 and opens se4 in wine. Does anybody know of a good howto?
[01:03] <griff> ok guys - I want to install a backup program to backup my shiny new ubuntu installation every week or so - what's my options? :)
[01:03] <Seveas> parabolize, please repeat that in a way tat we can understand it...
[01:03] <Seveas> griff, tar, rsync, mondo
[01:03] <Seveas> in order of usability :)
[01:03] <griff> :)
[01:04] <fivre> how do I use something after I apt-get install it?
[01:04] <Burgundavia> fivre, what is it?
[01:04] <griff> I was hoping for a something a little more user-friendly, but I can handle my way around rsync :)
[01:04] <Seveas> fivre, run it :D
[01:04] <Seveas> griff, mondo is really nice
[01:04] <griff> any cron clones have a gui for me that's installed
[01:04] <fivre> xmms and bitchx
[01:04] <Burgundavia> fivre, some apps install something to the menu
[01:04] <djm62> griff: http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/backups.html
[01:04] <fivre> they didn't, apparently
[01:04] <griff> DJ_Mirage, thanks
[01:04] <Seveas> fivre: bitchx must be run from shell
[01:04] <Bisclaveret> is there a sorted list directory utility in ubuntu or linux anywhere that is akin to say, the old IBM Sorted Directory List Util? ls -a does an okay job..
[01:05] <parabolize> I want to make a shell that copies a text file from one directory to another then opens a game in wine.
[01:05] <Seveas> fivre, applications -> sound & video -> xmms
[01:05] <griff> Mondo sounds interesting
[01:05] <Seveas> fivre, and try beep-media-player instead of xmms
[01:05] <Bisclaveret> http://www.angelfire.com/moon/bisclaveret0/d.jpg <--example of said utility
[01:05] <griff> is mondo pre-installed? I can only find the docs for it
[01:06] <Seveas> griff, no
[01:06] <Seveas> it requires mono
[01:06] <griff> ooooooooooo
[01:06] <fivre> There is no "sound & video"
[01:06] <griff> I take it I have to install mono first? But I got a feeling Mono isn't in Ubuntu yet
[01:07] <Loki_VA> say btw, any Americans in the room may wanna check this out, scary: http://www.chromance.de/wtf/lol.htm
[01:07] <Burgundavia> griff, it is in Hoary and Breezy
[01:07] <griff> aha found it
[01:07] <heimdall> re
[01:07] <griff> mono-mcs?
[01:08] <Burgundavia> griff, what about you trying to do with mono?
[01:08] <heimdall> LinuxJones : so.. I'm not surprised.... I'm still with windows :/
[01:08] <Burgundavia> develop with it or just run an app with it?
[01:08] <Loki_VA> additionally any dell owners too ^^
[01:08] <djm62> 0_0
[01:08] <griff> ok I think we've got wires crossed here
[01:08] <HappyFool> Seveas: you sure about that? the deps for mondo look very unixy to me
[01:08] <griff> I'm talking about mondo here, I don't think it needs mono
[01:09] <deviant> for a creative sound blaster live card, what do i need to install, besides emu10k1 module ?
[01:09] <djm62> so much for "use a laptop for secure stuff, no risk of keyloggers"
[01:09] <HillTop> Help! How do I empty trash in Hoary installed?  The help says click trash on desktop or from file menu. Neither has Trash!!
[01:09] <Loki_VA> indeed
[01:09] <griff> seeing that you want to restore your sys partition, you don't want "complicated" deps
[01:09] <biovore> intressting
[01:09] <HappyFool> mondo's right there in synaptic, anyway
[01:09] <biovore> hardware key logger
[01:09] <Loki_VA> crazy huh
[01:09] <Loki_VA> Orwell was on the ball
[01:10] <seth_k> but Loki_VA, those pictures are the same ones as are on http://www.dansdata.com/keyghost.htm
[01:10] <griff> HappyFool, I can't find it, and that was when I searched for it in the package manager
[01:10] <heimdall> LinuxJones : but I saw something... xorg.config seems to know my chipset is SiS630 since it is written : driver = "sis"
[01:10] <HappyFool> griff: it's in 'universe' -- you might need to enable that
[01:10] <griff> ah ok
[01:10] <seth_k> wouldn't he take pictures of his version if it were real?
[01:10] <Loki_VA> seth_k, really? interesting
[01:10] <HappyFool> griff: settings -> repositories -> add
[01:10] <Loki_VA> i was wondering that myself
[01:11] <seth_k> Loki_VA, the first picture is the only one that is not from my link
[01:11] <seth_k> Loki_VA, and look at the quality difference
[01:11] <HappyFool> Loki_VA: according to boingboing, that homeland security seal is incorrect, and the whole thing is prob a hoax
[01:12] <seth_k> first is very fuzzy, the other three are professional
[01:12] <HillTop> Help! I need to empty trash and 'Places -> trash' shows theere is no trash bin/file. But I just deleted/trashed several 700 MB iso files and no space is freed up.
[01:12] <griff> nope, I have universe added and I still can't find it
[01:12] <Loki_VA> ok then
[01:13] <Loki_VA> why would u hoax that?
[01:13] <abarbaccia> can someone help me explain why when i go to try and add things to my init.d scripts so that daemons start at bootup, they refuse to stay running?
[01:13] <griff> only thing I'm finding mondo-doc
[01:13] <djm62> still, remember covert channels...if you really want to be secure, don't even plug it in
[01:13] <HappyFool> griff: you are running on x86 or .. ?
[01:13] <Loki_VA> must be a dell hater or some such lol the link itself had me curious
[01:13] <griff> HappyFool, amd64 - maybe that's the pisser
[01:13] <HappyFool> griff: ah
[01:14] <griff> they haven't compiled for that version yet :-/
[01:14] <HappyFool> griff: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=mondo&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[01:14] <HappyFool> only i386
[01:14] <griff> dang
[01:14] <deviant> anyone ?
[01:15] <HappyFool> griff: try maybe 'bacula'. never used it, but it has a great name ;)
[01:15] <griff> :) will do
[01:15] <HappyFool> "sucks the data out of your drives at night", sthg like that
[01:15] <HillTop> OK, OK, so no one here empties trash but I need to empty trash. I'm using Hoary (installed on HD) and running out of disk space. Thanks.
[01:15] <griff> it's for backing up over a network
[01:15] <griff> http://www.bacula.org/
[01:16] <HappyFool> it doesn't have non-network operation?
[01:16] <djm62> HillTop: bottom right trash icon, right-click, select "Empty Wastebasket"?
[01:16] <griff> looking now
[01:16] <nalioth> griff try "sudo apt-get build-dep <pkgname>"  << this will install dependencys for mondo
[01:16] <osity> raid
[01:16] <osity> anyone know hoe to set it up
[01:16] <nalioth> griff: where <pkgname> is mondo
[01:16] <djm62> is it apt-get -b install mondo ? or apt-get -b source mondo?
[01:16] <griff> nalioth, will try now thanks
[01:17] <microhaxo> how can i fix this error
[01:17] <microhaxo> error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:17] <nalioth> djm62: "sudo apt-get source -b mondo"
[01:17] <HillTop> djm62, thank you now I see it !!!! Ah, so much better. Thanks.
[01:17] <JDigital> Hey ho, my sound no worky.
[01:17] <nalioth> djm62: but ya need build-deps first
[01:17] <JDigital> in Flash.
[01:17] <griff> nalioth, one thing.... root - I've just installed ubuntu - what's the password :)
[01:17] <djm62> nalioth: yeah...I do build-dep habitually
[01:17] <nalioth> griff: use sudo
[01:17] <griff> I am :)
[01:17] <nalioth> djm62: you may, but does griff and others who are reading/lurking?
[01:17] <griff> it's bringing up "password:"
[01:18] <nalioth> griff: so give it yours
[01:18] <djm62> griff: there is no root passwd
[01:18] <griff> hehe sorted :)
[01:19] <eric__> I just connected a ps2 mouse, and ubuntu won't detect it even after restarting, what should I do?
[01:19] <deviant> common guys... what do i need to install for a SB Live sound card, besides emu10k1 module ? anyone ?!?
[01:19] <griff> ok, so in ubuntu do I sudo everything when I want to do something in root?
[01:19] <nalioth> griff: correct
[01:19] <lsuactiafner> deviant : whats wrong witht he sound?
[01:19] <griff> ok
[01:19] <dgtl> hi everyone
[01:19] <djm62> deviant: nothing, apart from snd-emu10k1...it should be ok out of the box
[01:20] <Skinnybrown> Could somebody please help me get my laptop to join my wireless network?
[01:20] <griff> I'm installing some other packages ATM, will try to install mondo in twenty mins or so
[01:20] <eric__> and also, how do I install ndiswrapper?
[01:20] <eric__> I can't even figure out how to Dl the kernel sources...
[01:20] <griff> feels strange letting the distro rule me more than I rule it :)
[01:20] <deviant> lsuactiafner: ok. i`ve just installed it to my box. i`ve configure it, but i still can`t get a sound. in stead, the old sound card (the one onboard) plays the sounds :(
[01:21] <griff> hehe
[01:21] <nalioth> griff: if you are on amd64, you'll find a familiarty with build-dep and apt source installs quite handy
[01:21] <griff> used redhat, slackware, linuxfromscratch, gentoo
[01:21] <griff> in the past
[01:21] <black_Nightmare> any of you know a bit about laptop hardwares in a technical way? ;_)
[01:21] <nalioth> griff: amd64 and ppc arches are lacking a bunch of binaries found in x86 arches
[01:21] <griff> nalioth, thanks - I'm not worried about doing some "work"
[01:21] <djm62> deviant: ok...your onboard sound is being configured as sound-card-0
[01:22] <Loki_VA> black_Nightmare, how so?
[01:22] <forsaken> Is there a way to run the hardware detection stuff from inside of an install?
[01:22] <lsuactiafner> deviant : reboot the pc, go into the bios, disable the onboard sound
[01:22] <nalioth> griff: since you plan on 'working', are you familiar with 'checkinstall'?
[01:22] <deviant> djm62: i don`t know for sure. but it was the only sound card in the box, untill 30 minutes ago, so i think the answer is yes
[01:22] <black_Nightmare> loki_va do you know about minipci and/or pcmcia out of curiousity?
[01:23] <ironmc> Hi everybody
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> ummm
[01:23] <djm62> deviant: if you can disable it in bios, it's probably a good option, otherwise it's quite simple to stop it taking priority...
[01:23] <griff> nalioth, not really, explain pls :)
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> whats a good program to enhance an image
[01:23] <lsuactiafner> like leet rerendering to make it look much clearer?
[01:23] <deviant> djm62: let me reboot 1st. let`s see if it does the trick
[01:23] <Loki_VA> black_Nightmare, some, whats the problem?
[01:23] <forsaken> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[01:23] <forsaken> ??
[01:24] <ironmc> I can't seem to open my cdrom drives with the botton on the drive but I can using a terminal and "eject"  any ideas
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> forsaken : sudu modprobe ndiswrapper
[01:24] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: ya tried gimp?
[01:24] <black_Nightmare> well I was curious whats the theriocal max bandwidth for either expansion slots? :">
[01:24] <deviant> djm62: haha. don`t wonder. i don`t habe a pcix slot ...yer
[01:24] <deviant> *yet
[01:24] <lsuactiafner> nalioth : got gimp but am hoping there is something better
[01:25] <nalioth> lsuactiafner: not unless you've got a mac
[01:25] <griff> nalioth, ok I see
[01:25] <dgtl> anyone know how to change the color that shows up when you are logging in?
[01:25] <dgtl> (desktop)
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> hmm
[01:25] <Cableguy> gimp is awsome
[01:25] <dgtl> i've changed the desktop color but it doesn't work
[01:25] <djm62> lsuactiafner: skilled use of gimp is probably a good option, unless you have technical knowledge of the sort of noise you have and some specialist domain-specific software
[01:25] <nalioth> griff: checkinstall will save you lots of swearing when it comes time to upgrade/remove things
[01:25] <lsuactiafner> what filters should i run to enhance it?
[01:25] <nalioth> griff: but the debs it makes are for your own personal use (backup binarys)
[01:26] <forsaken> lsuactiafner, I'm already root
[01:26] <Loki_VA> not sure on minipci but pcmcia is ~132mb i thinks
[01:27] <Hablandocontigo> Can someone help me troubleshoot my microphone? I have audacity but nothing records. It's frustrating.
[01:27] <djm62> lsuactiafner: right-click on the image...Filters->Enhance->* is probably a good start
[01:27] <lsuactiafner> did you run modprobe ndiswrapper?
[01:27] <lsuactiafner> hmm suppose
[01:27] <forsaken> lsuactiafner, this is a newly installed system
[01:27] <black_Nightmare> loki_va..ty anyway..when my browser dies down needing a lot of cpu (several windows on various sites here hehe) I'll try look up some actual numbers
[01:27] <black_Nightmare> but now I guess I'll go with 132mb just for starters (paper sketches)
[01:28] <djm62> ...and people criticise ease-of-use ;)
[01:28] <lsuactiafner> yeh but did you run it?
[01:28] <parabolize> I want to make a shell that would simplify this http://users.adelphia.net/~phann8/paininthe!.txt
[01:28] <deviant> djm62: it is working :)
[01:28] <deviant> djm62: damn, sometimes i realize i`m so stupid. i relly forgot about disableing the onboard sound card :(
[01:29] <Hablandocontigo> In sound preferences I can't play the sounds, though the files are present, what could this mean?
[01:30] <husky1982> got extrem problems with my keyboard...
[01:30] <djm62> parabolize: skip the cd bit and use ~/ paths throughout, and put #!/bin/bash as the first line
[01:30] <parabolize> djm62: trying that, thanks
[01:31] <griff> E: Unable to find a source package for mondo
[01:31] <griff> hmmm
[01:31] <crazyhorse> uuh. finally, i'm here :)
[01:32] <nalioth> griff: then its on to plan b (btw, did your build-dep run ok?)
[01:33] <Bisclaveret> oh cheese
[01:34] <Bisclaveret> fixme:int21:INT21_GetExtendedError Unknown error 1784
[01:34] <Bisclaveret> err:int21:INT21_Ioctl_Block int21: unknown/not implemented parameters:
[01:34] <Bisclaveret> int21: AX 440d, BX 0001, CX 0862, DX e648, SI 1070, DI 5b37, DS 0000, ES 0000
[01:34] <Bisclaveret> etc
[01:34] <lsuactiafner>    <Linforcer> heh, I just told m girfriend I like my women like I like I like my programming
[01:34] <lsuactiafner>    <MuStR>     logical?
[01:34] <lsuactiafner>    <Linforcer> C++
[01:34] <lsuactiafner> rofl
[01:34] <crazyhorse> i love these wine error messages =)
[01:35] <misfit-toy>  /me has no idea why anyone would taint a nice linux system with wine
[01:35] <lewwy> thats not tainting!
[01:35] <lewwy> anyway
[01:35] <seth_k> hehe. I installed IE6 in wine once. It was the only program that's ever crashed my entire box
[01:35] <seth_k> i.e., not just wine, but the whole thing
[01:35] <zyth> misfit-toy, cause Blizzard sucks and won't release a WoW client for Linux?
[01:36] <Bisclaveret> misfit-toy: i'm trying to run some SFX archives to create some ERD's to repair my win2k drive
[01:36] <lewwy> I want to reinstall grub to my computer since Windows XP rewrote it.  I have an ubuntu live cd and system rescue cd.  Anyone help me please?
[01:36] <Bisclaveret> my linuxing is only an emergency/screw around thing, not an everyday thing as i know just enough to screw up my linux install and that's it ;)
[01:36] <misfit-toy> all I mean is that if you want to still run windows junk, just build a white box and term serve to it.
[01:36] <crazyhorse> misfit-toy, here in germany, companies MUST use an online tool for input taxes and this tool only runs under..winedows :/
[01:37] <misfit-toy> crazyhorse, understood
[01:37] <cary> should my linux volume mount on my mac volumes list?
[01:37] <Bisclaveret> misfit-toy: give me some money to build said box. next box below this 1.1ghz machine is a pentium 1 133mhz with a 6 gb harddrive
[01:37] <seth_k> lewwy, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[01:37] <Bisclaveret> which also doesn't ever want to work as it's a Packard Hell
[01:37] <djm62> crazyhorse: but...aren't portions of the deutsch.gov moving to SuSe?
[01:38] <seth_k> lewwy, you have all the tools you need if you have a live cd :)
[01:38] <andre_luiz> i'm with trouble to make my audio card work
[01:38] <Bisclaveret> i think it bit the bullet a few months ago
[01:38] <osity> can software raid 1 be done after the OS install
[01:38] <osity> ?
[01:38] <andre_luiz> 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60)
[01:38] <crazyhorse> andre_luiz, which sound chip?
[01:39] <crazyhorse> which error message?
[01:39] <xiaogil> Is it possible, in a terminal, to copy the content of a text file in a memory, instead of creating a file, when using commands such as "cat myfile.txt > newfile", which would be something like "cat myfile.txt > memory1" ?
[01:40] <djm62> xiaogil: you could put it in /tmp
[01:40] <andre_luiz> crazyhorse, no error messages, xmms start playing but still no sound
[01:40] <lewwy> thanks, that looks promosing
[01:40] <lewwy> seth_k, what tools would these be?
[01:40] <djm62> xiaogil: and as a rough temporary pad, cat > /dev/null and type what you will
[01:40] <lsuactiafner> andre_luiz : put your volume on xmms up
[01:40] <lewwy> seth_k, for a grub install
[01:41] <lsuactiafner> run alsamixer
[01:41] <andre_luiz> lsuactiafner, it's already high
[01:41] <andre_luiz> aumix, i've tried too
[01:41] <crazyhorse> andre_luiz, i think there was a problem with alsa
[01:42] <lsuactiafner> andre_luiz : then stop making it high (;
[01:42] <andre_luiz>  Card: VIA 8237                                                                Chip: C-Media Electronics CMI9761                                             View: Playback                                                                Item: VIA DXS 3
[01:42] <andre_luiz> damn =/
[01:42] <andre_luiz> alsamixer seems to be right
[01:43] <lewwy> ugh, why is the default gnome background poo brown
[01:43] <djm62> andre_luiz: definitely not muted anywhere?
[01:43] <crazyhorse> andre_luiz, alsamixer has detected everything correctly?
[01:43] <djm62> lewwy: because the designers liked brown, and it's distinctive
[01:43] <flyingpenguin900> what is the equivelent of a FC3 rpm for ubuntu... because when I open my p2p rpm it comes up like a zip file
[01:44] <djm62> flyingpenguin900: a .deb file
[01:44] <djm62> lewwy: and also, it can be changed in 30s or less ;)
[01:44] <andre_luiz> crazyhorse, seems to be right
[01:44] <nalioth> djm62: pray tell us, how?
[01:44] <andre_luiz> DJ_Mirage, aumix and alsamixer don't show if is muted
[01:45] <djm62> nalioth: right-click on the background, choose the appropriate image
[01:45] <crazyhorse> andre_luiz, and ahem..speakers are on power and connected correctly, i suppose? ;)
[01:45] <djm62> nalioth: or am I oddly mistaken?
[01:46] <andre_luiz> crazyhorse, they're all on
[01:46] <andre_luiz> i don't know what can be
[01:46] <andre_luiz> i'll brb
[01:46] <crazyhorse> which output plugin did you choose in xmms?
[01:46] <djm62> nalioth: is there a problem there? (sudden insecurity)
[01:47] <cianci10> Can someone help me?
[01:48] <crazyhorse> cianci10, what's up?
[01:48] <cianci10> I lost that panel on the top of the screen, how do i get it back?
[01:49] <nalioth> djm62: not the image, the 'poo brown' colour scheme
[01:49] <JDigital> hehe
[01:49] <djm62> nalioth: oh, System->Preferences->Theme
[01:49] <JDigital> it's not brown, it's golden
[01:49] <nalioth> djm62: i wear 'poo brown' underwear, if there is a problem, i don't see it
[01:49] <crazyhorse> cianci10, try alt+F2 and execute gnome-panel
[01:50] <djm62> although really nice gnome themes are rare, IMO
[01:50] <crazyhorse> alt+f2, not f4 ^^
[01:51] <ivanox> hey, can anyone apt-get install xlibmesa-glu-dev without problems!? I get " http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/xlibmesa-glu-dev_6.8.2-10_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.138 80] "
[01:51] <LinuxJones> ivanox, that repository server is not working correctly
[01:51] <ivanox> wtf
[01:51] <ivanox> which one should I use then?
[01:52] <ivanox> I took that one from ubuntuguide
[01:52] <nalioth> ivanox: edit your sources.list to remove the us. part of any address with us. prefacing it
[01:52] <LinuxJones> ivanox, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove the .us part from all lines then apt-get update and try again
[01:52] <flyingpenguin900> djm62: and how do I run theas so called .deb files?
[01:52] <ivanox> should I just remove the us. ?
[01:52] <LinuxJones> yeah
[01:52] <ivanox> ok, cool, I'll try it now
[01:52] <crazyhorse> flyingpenguin900, sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[01:53] <Bisclaveret> how do i mount my floppies?
[01:53] <Bisclaveret> mount /media/floppy0 doesn't work
[01:53] <Bisclaveret> mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[01:53] <djm62> Bisclaveret: mount -t auto /dev/fd0 /mnt/point ?
[01:54] <djm62> Bisclaveret: is the disk OK? does -t vfat make a difference?
[01:54] <Bisclaveret> the disk should be okay, i just bought them. ibm formatted, though. fat16
[01:54] <flyingpenguin900> crazyhorse: dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[01:55] <LinuxJones> flyingpenguin900, do you have synaptic open ?
[01:55] <flyingpenguin900> yes...
[01:55] <Hablandocontigo> Does anyone have the problem where you put files on a cd and then pick write-to-cd and some of the files end up corrupt on the CD? it happens everytime
[01:55] <crazyhorse> flyingpenguin900, is synaptic running?
[01:55] <nalioth> flyingpenguin900: you can only use one apt or dpkg at a time
[01:55] <LinuxJones> flyingpenguin900, close it and try again
[01:55] <nalioth> Hablandocontigo: i don't use nautilus built in burner for that reason
[01:55] <nalioth> Hablandocontigo: try k3b or gnomebaker or graveman
[01:56] <Hablandocontigo> nalioth: can we report a bug?
[01:56] <Hablandocontigo> nalioth: or is it already known?
[01:56] <lewwy> ARGH!
[01:56] <nalioth> Hablandocontigo: bugzilla.ubuntu.org
[01:56] <nalioth> Hablandocontigo: bugzilla.ubuntu.com, i mean
[01:56] <Hablandocontigo> nalioth: thanks!
[01:56] <lewwy> * /sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: No such file
[01:56] <djm62> Bisclaveret: -t fat should autodetect that, if I'm reading man mount correctly
[01:57] <lewwy> i get that after i try repairing grub
[01:57] <lewwy> and then
[01:57] <lewwy> Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
[01:57] <Bisclaveret> bisclaveret@Dragon:/media$ sudo mount -t fat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0
[01:57] <Bisclaveret> mount: unknown filesystem type 'fat'
[01:58] <Bisclaveret>  mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 ?
[01:58] <LinuxJones> Bisclaveret, they are new disks ?
[01:58] <Bisclaveret> yes
[01:58] <nalioth> Bisclaveret: instead of 'fat', tis actually 'vfat'
[01:58] <LinuxJones> Bisclaveret, are you going to nedd the files in windows ?
[01:58] <Bisclaveret> yes
[01:58] <LinuxJones> err need
[01:58] <djm62> Bisclaveret: never hurts to try...the page does say that FAT 12,16, or 32 will be autodetected
[01:59] <flyingpenguin900> why doesn't the gui auto open .deb as installers?
[01:59] <LinuxJones> flyingpenguin900, what are you installing ?
[01:59] <nalioth> flyingpenguin900: because there is no gui installer for debs
[02:00] <crazyhorse> flyingpenguin900, usually you don't want to fetch deb files and install them but use apt or synaptic for that issue
[02:00] <Bisclaveret> vfat appeared to work
[02:00] <flyingpenguin900> ya well apt doesn't have p2p...
[02:00] <flyingpenguin900> can ubuntu use .rar?
[02:01] <djm62> flyingpenguin900: yes
[02:01] <flyingpenguin900> how?
[02:01] <djm62> flyingpenguin900: search synaptic for "unrar"
[02:01] <ivanox> nice try guys, but it didnt work, and I know why, the package it tries to find is supposed to be at http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/ and is called xlibmesa-glu-dev_6.8.2-10_i386.deb but if u manually browse it doesnt exist
[02:01] <LinuxJones> flyingpenguin900, what p2p network  are you trying to use ?
[02:01] <nalioth> ivanox: did you update your apt, after you edited out the 'us.'?
[02:02] <ivanox> yup
[02:02] <flyingpenguin900> LinuxJones: Point2Play buddy
[02:02] <crazyhorse> did you save the list, after you edited out the us.? :)
[02:03] <Razor-X> flyingpenguin900: you mean, Point and Click?
[02:03] <ivanox> u can try it yourself nalioth: apt-get install xlibmesa-glu-dev
[02:03] <Razor-X> flyingpenguin900: P2P == Peer to Peer
[02:03] <LinuxJones> flyingpenguin900, I haven't heard of that one
[02:03] <crazyhorse> isn't that transgaming stuff?
[02:04] <flyingpenguin900> ok guys Point2Play is a grafical interface for cedega... ok don't woryabought it. yes it is crazyhorse
[02:04] <Razor-X> crazyhorse: they had something similar, not Point2Play, IIRC
[02:04] <Razor-X> oh, well, ok then ;)
[02:04] <nalioth> ivanox: will give it a go, but im on PPC
[02:04] <ivanox> ah ok
[02:04] <blink> hi
[02:04] <nalioth> ivanox: sorry, all i got was this >> xlibmesa-glu-dev is already the newest version
[02:04] <Razor-X> nalioth: have you read the draft of my guide yet?
[02:04] <blink> any1 can tell me how can i do aterm without boarder?
[02:04] <ivanox> ok lol
[02:04] <flyingpenguin900> hey if I know a program that only has a windows installer but you can download the source code can a linux installer be made for it? just wondering?
[02:04] <ivanox> which repos do u have?
[02:05] <nalioth> Razor-X: draft? close the window
[02:05] <nalioth> Razor-X: not yet
[02:05] <blink> any1 can tell me how can i do aterm without boarder?
[02:05] <djm62> flyingpenguin900: it depends on how it's programmed...it may or may not be portable
[02:05] <Razor-X> nalioth: http://www.sosdg.org/~razorx/CLI.pdf
[02:06] <nalioth> Razor-X: yes, i have the addy, just havent summoned my xpdf servant to read it to me
[02:06] <Razor-X> hehe, ok
[02:06] <blink> hmmm?
[02:06] <Razor-X> the version on my HDD is a bit newer though
[02:06] <Razor-X> obviously, since i'm actively working on it
[02:07] <unkn0wn> .
[02:07] <IFRFLYR> Hey, if you're running a ndiswrapper around a linksys driver, do you have to cabextract the inf files from the exe on a WINDOWS box or is there some ubuntu software which will let you do it?
[02:07] <unkn0wn> Razor-X,
[02:07] <crazyhorse> uuh that late? it's dawning ^^
[02:07] <unkn0wn> any1 can tell me how can i do aterm without boarder?
[02:07] <Bisclaveret> it appeared to mount but nothing's showing up :/
[02:07] <flyingpenguin900> djm62:  http://gempond.com/odc
[02:08] <nalioth> Razor-X: you got it goin on! first paragraph, and i'm strugglin to keep my eyes open! great writing! heh
[02:08] <IFRFLYR> Anyone have any experience with ndiswrapper?
[02:08] <Razor-X> nalioth: cool!
[02:08] <flyingpenguin900> does synaptic not have mplayer?
[02:08] <capi> how do I access a samba share on my linux box through windows?
[02:08] <nalioth> flyingpenguin900: yes it does, in universe or multiverse
[02:09] <djm62> Razor-X: you might want to include --long-option syntax as well
[02:09] <flyingpenguin900> nalioth: I serched for mplayer and nuthing came up. :(
[02:09] <LinuxJones> capi, look to www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:09] <IFRFLYR> capi, go to Network Neighborhood in windows, click on the Windows network, the name of your network, the linux  box and there it is
[02:09] <djm62> Razor-X: and is zsh really older than bash? and the bourne shell is usually just "sh" (bash emulates it if called as /bin/sh)
[02:09] <IFRFLYR> If you can't find it, search for computers near you; if not by name by IP address.
[02:10] <IFRFLYR> Really, no ndiswrapper users here? Honest?
[02:10] <Razor-X> djm62: I know that, but I called it BSH for non-confusing-ness
[02:10] <Razor-X> although, I may change that
[02:10] <fivre> OK, if I installed xmms via Synaptic, where the heck is it?
[02:10] <Razor-X> I may expand piping to a total chapter on output redirectior, but... I don't know
[02:11] <unkn0wn> any1 can tell me how can i do aterm without border?
[02:11] <Razor-X> fivre: in a Terminal window, type xmms
[02:11] <flyingpenguin900> hey in synaptic I serch for mplayer and nuthing comes up am I sercing roung?
[02:11] <Razor-X> unkn0wn: man aterm (i'm thinking)
[02:11] <dacrepair> i'm trying to get xmms
[02:11] <djm62> Razor-X: also...you might like to mention that mv is the way to rename files
[02:11] <crazyhorse> fivre, applications -> sound & video -> xmms
[02:11] <Razor-X> flyingpenguin900: did you add the extra repos?
[02:11] <Razor-X> djm62: ohhh yeah.... escaped my mind
[02:11] <dacrepair> ?
[02:12] <Razor-X> djm62: and cp for backups
[02:12] <flyingpenguin900> Razor-X: I aded universe...
[02:12] <dacrepair> what ive done is edited my .list file and typed apt-get install xmms
[02:13] <djm62> Razor-X: I can't imagine another use for cp...other than getting a spare copy of a file :-/
[02:13] <microhaxo> error while loading shared libraries: libSDL-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:13] <Razor-X> djm62: heh
[02:13] <dacrepair> thats what happened
[02:13] <djm62> dacrepair: apt-get update first
[02:14] <Razor-X> flyingpenguin900: make sure you do sudo apt-get update
[02:14] <dacrepair> so type this "apt-get update"
[02:14] <djm62> dacrepair: yeah
[02:14] <dacrepair> ok
[02:14] <Razor-X> aptitude is awesome, i'm never going back to apt-get ;)
[02:14] <dacrepair> and just so u no, i did use root
[02:15] <apollo2011> I used to have Konqueror automatically refresh when new files were added to the directory it was in, if they were created by another window/program.  Now it seems to have stopped doing that and I can't figure out where that setting is
[02:15] <raz> Anyone knows the name of the QT2 libs throu apt-get?
[02:15] <paxon> Installed Ubuntu couple of days ago, I'm afraid everything is working fine, now I'm bored!
[02:15] <djm62> Razor-X: also...you've missed a unix stalware: cat!
[02:15] <flyingpenguin900> hey I just realized that it never asked me for a root pasword therefor I don't know what it is and I cant do su... I have to use the root terminal
[02:15] <Razor-X> djm62: ahhh, did I forget it?
[02:16] <flyingpenguin900> wait nvm I just figured it out
[02:16] <Razor-X> djm62: i'm forgetting a lot, actually
[02:16] <Razor-X> djm62: I knew I needed feedback in that section
[02:16] <dacrepair> type this
[02:16] <djm62> flyingpenguin900: there is no root user...you always use temporary privileges
[02:16] <apollo2011> paxon: lol! are you complaing? ;-P
[02:16] <Razor-X> djm62: you know what's really fun?
[02:16] <djm62> flyingpenguin900: I said that wrong...there is no root passwd
[02:17] <Razor-X> why use cp, when you can "cat foo > bar" ? ;)
[02:17] <paxon> apollo2011, no just stunned. Last I used Linux was 3 years ago. I mean this Ubuntu is just perfect, atleast in my experience.
[02:17] <flyingpenguin900> ya... just got confused there for a seccond. new to linux and have only learned abought 1 flavor
[02:18] <dacrepair> "su should work"
[02:18] <Razor-X> I may also lump some of the more advanced commands together
[02:18] <apollo2011> paxon: lol I know.  I was using SuSE and tried out Ubuntu when I heard about it in several news articles on the Net and I was amazed to.  Definitely better than any other distro.  It is particularly interesting to look at the goals for Breezy on the wiki
[02:18] <djm62> Razor-X: why emacs sources.list when you can cat >> sources.list ? ;)
[02:18] <Razor-X> djm62: emacs... ewww ;)
[02:18] <flyingpenguin900> if I install something using synaptic do I have to restart to get links in my start bar or do the programs not make links (meaning I have to make my own)
[02:19] <paxon> apollo2011, word.
[02:19] <Bisclaveret> argra. alright, is there any other windows emulator like wine?
[02:19] <crazyhorse> dad, why do we hide from the police? -- they use emacs, son. we use vi =)
[02:19] <fivre> How do I make a SBLive! work?
[02:19] <Bisclaveret> because wine obviously isn't working, and dosbox doesn't work as the archives can't be run in dos mode
[02:19] <crazyhorse> fivre, install your kernel headers and build alsa from the source
[02:19] <djm62> Razor-X: I have used sed rather than vi before... /me dangerous
[02:19] <dacrepair> open a terminal
[02:20] <Razor-X> djm62: hehehe
[02:20] <dacrepair> type sswd
[02:20] <raz> Anyone knows the name of the QT2 libs throu apt-get? QT3 won't do..
[02:20] <crazyhorse> djm62, i fear you ;)
[02:20] <Razor-X> djm62: I was thinking of adding sed too... but... was not sure
[02:20] <dacrepair> asks for a password?
[02:20] <Razor-X> crazyhorse: haha! god one!
[02:20] <dacrepair> then type in ur nu pass
[02:20] <TokenBad> question on running ftp on ubunto
[02:20] <TokenBad> I added a user to a dir
[02:20] <TokenBad> say a group dir
[02:20] <TokenBad> for uploading stuff
[02:21] <TokenBad> does that dir need to have some set settings to allow people to upload?
[02:21] <netsurf> hmm need help with the grub bootloader with the 64 bit edition of ubuntu
[02:21] <netsurf> i get a code 17
[02:21] <netsurf> its like it wipes the installation
[02:21] <netsurf> after grub is installed
[02:22] <ivanox> anyone on i386 that could try this: apt-get install xlibmesa-dev
[02:22] <djm62> Razor-X: the nice way to do it would be to do "idiomatic usage" for each of the commands: everyone knows "tar -xzvf" "sed -e's/find/replace/' " and so on
[02:22] <crazyhorse> Get:1 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main xlibmesa-gl-dev 6.8.2-10 [748kB] 
[02:22] <dacrepair> did that work?
[02:22] <crazyhorse> (etc) works fine.
[02:22] <ivanox> de.archive
[02:22] <ivanox> hmm
[02:22] <ivanox> I try that one
[02:23] <Razor-X> djm62: yeah, but that doesen't make you think
[02:23] <Razor-X> djm62: that makes you memorize
[02:23] <Razor-X> and without knowing the individual paramaters, you can't even come close to harnessing the true power of the command-line
[02:23] <crazyhorse> ivanox, if this won't work either, for a small fee of $5,000.00 i will email you the .debs ;)
[02:23] <netsurf> my hd is booting froma lone usb for safty purposes it boots but says that it cannot recognise the partition what is going on?
[02:24] <ivanox> crazyhorse, hehee ;)
[02:24] <djm62> Razor-X: one of the user interface areas which the command line excels in is "BLT syndrome"...muscle memory
[02:24] <netsurf> under grub
[02:24] <ivanox> crazyhorse, thanks for that repo, it worked :)
[02:24] <ivanox> fucking standard one, fucked me up for this long lol
[02:24] <crazyhorse> ivanox, grats :)
[02:24] <Razor-X> djm62: the intended muscle memory by the short letter sequences and the close-together keys will never work htat way with me..... I use Dvorak
[02:25] <Razor-X> *that
[02:25] <djm62> Razor-X: another one you haven't mentioned: alias ;)
[02:25] <Razor-X> ahhhh! yes
[02:25] <flyingpenguin900> is there a way to get an adress bar on my browser(window browser)
[02:25] <ivanox> I use swedish locale of dvorak(svorak), started last month, it's awesome :)
[02:26] <magog> flyingpenguin900 use konqueror
[02:26] <Razor-X> ivanox: congrats!
[02:26] <djm62> flyingpenguin900: is it not the window title?
[02:26] <ivanox> everyone should write dvorak hehe
[02:26] <Razor-X> yeah, most definitely
[02:26] <Hablandocontigo> What's the best way to manage mail-list communication?
[02:26] <Razor-X> and put away that idiotic mouse, a trackball is the way to go ;)
[02:27] <djm62> and speak esperanto while wearing vegetarian shoes!
[02:27] <Hablandocontigo> saluton!
[02:27] <TokenBad> anyone know?
[02:27] <Hablandocontigo> Cxu vi parolas esperanton?
[02:27] <flyingpenguin900> magog: what is konqueror???
[02:27] <Razor-X> so what if I use nothing computer-standardized, not my fault ;)
[02:27] <Razor-X> flyingpenguin900: only the kickassiest browser you've ever seen.... second to Opera, of course ;)
[02:28] <flyingpenguin900> ...that isn't what I ment by browser magog
[02:28] <Razor-X> i'ld like to let all the new people in here know something, and remember it well........
[02:28] <Razor-X> GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND
[02:28] <fivre> how can I map middle mouseclick to ctrl+T?
[02:28] <Razor-X> XD, i'm done
[02:28] <cary> does anyone have any idea why my audio wouldnt be working? i just installed gstreamer to work with music player. it says its playing but icant hear anything
[02:28] <Razor-X> if you don't understand something at first, google it, or find a man page
[02:28] <Chetic> When trying to run make.sh for fglrx I get this: "kernel includes at /usr/src/linux/include not found or incomplete"
[02:28] <Chetic> help
[02:29] <fivre> Razor-X: Wikipedia is pretty nice too
[02:29] <Razor-X> fivre: but, not for Linux
[02:29] <flyingpenguin900> I mean a adress bar(that you can type in) in the window browser like when you open home or filesystem
[02:29] <Razor-X> I use it for mathematics a lot (i'm jumping 3 years of math this summer)
[02:29] <Razor-X> although, if you used Google and man, most of us helpers here wouldn't have to help ;)
[02:29] <Razor-X> not that we're getting paid
[02:29] <bigbill52a> have you installed your kernel headers...chetic?
[02:29] <djm62> Chetic: you need to install the kernel-headers package
[02:30] <fivre> flyingpenguin900: try adding a "Discs" shortcut to the panel
[02:30] <fivre> it brings it up in the file browser
[02:30] <bigbill52a> that was fast...lol..killed another bunny
[02:30] <djm62> flyingpenguin900: you can do it from ctrl-L
[02:30] <Chetic> bigbill52a, damn straight, I have
[02:31] <bigbill52a> what kernel?
[02:32] <Chetic> err haven't got it memorized..
[02:32] <Razor-X> hmmmm... I like my Konsole... but, what are the advantages of other terminals?
[02:32] <djm62> Chetic: and are they at /usr/src/linux or some variant that you need to specify?
[02:32] <Razor-X> terminal emulators, excuse me
[02:32] <Chetic> djm62, hang on..
[02:32] <djm62> Razor-X: rxvt is very small, gnome-terminal does good things with hyperlinks
[02:33] <Razor-X> djm62: i've heard lots about aterm and (Englightenment's) eterm
[02:33] <flyingpenguin900> djm62: don't want a pop up... I want to see it at the top like I did in FC3 like i do in windows.
[02:33] <Hablandocontigo> How does gnome manage to display foreign text correctly everywhere including firefox?
[02:33] <djm62> flyingpenguin900: gconf-editor
[02:33] <djm62> Hablandocontigo: it has coders all over the globe...
[02:33] <Chetic> ok bigbill52a, djm62, never mind..
[02:33] <Madeye> hmm anyone aware of opml to rss20 converter?
[02:34] <xxcypherusxx> I'm trying to get my webcam to work with spca5xx and in the wiki tutorial there is an inconsistancy that doesn't mach i
[02:34] <xxcypherusxx> up with my system
[02:34] <Razor-X> Hablandocontigo: because of the unicode and ISO standards
[02:34] <dacrepair> ok now i have xmms and btw, thankyou
[02:34] <flyingpenguin900> once agen djm62 not what I ment...
[02:35] <djm62> flyingpenguin900: no, this is...
[02:35] <Razor-X> flyingpenguin900: I see you find your visuals need to be fine-tuned to perfection
[02:35] <Hablandocontigo> Razor-X: my debian configured KDE wasn't doing that, does ubuntu's kde work with unicode?
[02:35] <flyingpenguin900> djm62: you know when you have an internet browser? and there is that adress bar at the top. well that in the normal browser
[02:35] <djm62> flyingpenguin900: once you've started gconf-editor...
[02:35] <dacrepair> i want to play my music which is on another partition, how do i mount it because i know it isnt yet
[02:35] <Razor-X> flyingpenguin900: yes it does, i'm in it right now
[02:35] <djm62> flyingpenguin900: apps->nautilus->preferences
[02:35] <flyingpenguin900> Razor-X: I have grown to be used to that bar.
[02:35] <djm62> flyingpenguin900: then check the box "Always use browser"
[02:36] <djm62> flyingpenguin900: it's the first box, and will make nautilus do what you want
[02:36] <dacrepair> is it "mount /dev/hda1 fat32
[02:36] <dacrepair> "
[02:36] <Razor-X> djm62: hmmm, you know, if I started using Gnome today, and wanted that, I would look immediately in Nautilus prefs first
[02:36] <_rob> hello everyone, i have a problem
[02:36] <dacrepair> ok
[02:36] <Razor-X> dacrepair: sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/mount/point -t vfat
[02:36] <dacrepair> _rob what is it
[02:36] <_rob> i lost my kubuntu.desktop file
[02:37] <Razor-X> djm62: just out of reflex, but, how come others don't understand that same thing?
[02:37] <_rob> and i cant seem to fine the program i can put in my .desktop file that will start kde
[02:37] <flyingpenguin900> djm62: thank you, thank you, thank you
[02:37] <djm62> Razor-X: it isn't nautilus prefs as such...
[02:37] <dacrepair> o, i dont know anything about kubutu
[02:37] <djm62> Razor-X: this is to do with gnome HIG
[02:37] <Razor-X> djm62: directly after, i'ld search Gnome prefs
[02:37] <_rob> reinstalling kubuntu-desktop doesnt give me the kubuntu.desktop file, nor does it give me something like startkde
[02:37] <Razor-X> djm62: and then, i'ld go on google
[02:37] <djm62> flyingpenguin900: hope it's what you were after ;)
[02:38] <Razor-X> _rob: kubuntu.desktop does not start KDE
[02:38] <Razor-X> errrr... nevermind
[02:38] <_rob> i know... but i want a nice little option for KDE in kdm/gdm/xdm
[02:38] <Razor-X> djm62: XD
[02:39] <Razor-X> _rob: KDM does load default with KDE in Kubuntu
[02:39] <raz> Anybody successfully installed Qtella under ubuntu?
[02:39] <_rob> ill try that
[02:39] <Razor-X> raz: if it's attemptable, it's been done
[02:39] <_rob> Razor-X: I will be back (unless it works)
[02:39] <raz> Razor-X, I can't find the QT2 libs for it :(
[02:40] <Razor-X> raz: you have all the repos?
[02:40] <flyingpenguin900> hey ubuntu isn't using my 2nd(virtual) cpu... wait does that just mean I booted to the roung kernel?
[02:40] <Razor-X> raz: you use Gnome I presume?
[02:40] <raz> Razor-X, pretty sure i do.. installed the QT3 ones.
[02:40] <raz> Razor-X, yes.
[02:40] <Razor-X> then why use Qtella?
[02:40] <zyth> flyingpenguin900, you want an SMP kernel most likely.
[02:40] <zyth> Linux veritas 2.6.10-5-686-smp #1 SMP Tue Jun 7 09:34:54 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:40] <raz> Razor-X, what do you recommand?..
[02:41] <zyth> I have a HT Pentium IV so I use SMP
[02:41] <Razor-X> raz: GTK-Gnutella
[02:41] <_rob> no luck
[02:41] <_rob> is there a way to force a dist-downgrade (as in, no more breezy?)
[02:41] <djm62> flyingpenguin900: uname -a will give you the info that zyth just showed for your own system
[02:41] <Razor-X> _rob: try and change around the configs of KDM
[02:41] <raz> Razor-X, bah, aight. Qtella's interface looks cleaner tho, no?..
[02:42] <Razor-X> raz: all GTK apps look like that to me.... except VLC ;)
[02:42] <xxcypherusxx> can someone help me install the spca5xx module?
[02:43] <djm62> xxcypherusxx: I think it's in gphoto2
[02:43] <xxcypherusxx> oh really?
[02:44] <xxcypherusxx> I saw a wiki about it https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Spca5xx and it has inconsistancies with their documentation and my system
[02:44] <djm62> xxcypherusxx: from a quick "locate spca" it's in lib/gphoto2
[02:44] <xxcypherusxx> ok i'll check it out
[02:45] <djm62> xxcypherusxx: xsane might help get images, or gimp
[02:45] <concept10> Anyone know a good place to get some fonts?
[02:46] <xxcypherusxx> after installing the app how would I refresh the system so that the camera is detected?
[02:46] <eric__> What package do I need to get the kernel sources?
[02:46] <djm62> xxcypherusxx: just plug it in and start the app
[02:46] <crimsun> linux-tree-2.6.10 if you're on hoary, eric__
[02:47] <concept10> eric__, apt-cache search linux source
[02:47] <eric__> ty
[02:47] <crimsun> linux-tree* includes linux-source*, concept10
[02:48] <djm62> xxcypherusxx: #spca50x on this server might also help you
[02:48] <concept10> eric__, sorry wrong one
[02:48] <xxcypherusxx> wow thanks
[02:48] <xxcypherusxx> appreciate the help
[02:48] <concept10> eric__, you want to complile a kernel?
[02:48] <eric__> I'm just trying to learn debians naming conventions
[02:48] <Hablandocontigo> How do I conver a wav file to wma 64kbps?
[02:48] <eric__> concept10, I want to build a module against the tree
[02:48] <Razor-X> i'll take a poll...
[02:48] <Razor-X> what's the best terminal emulator?
[02:49] <djm62> Razor-X: the one that fits your needs...
[02:49] <Razor-X> djm62: which fits your needs, djm62?
[02:49] <FlyingPenguin__> does ubuntu not come with a smp kernel?
[02:49] <zyth> FlyingPenguin__, do /exec -o uname -a
[02:50] <crimsun> eric__: all you need is linux-headers-$(uname -r), then
[02:50] <crimsun> eric__: no need for the entire source tree
[02:50] <djm62> Razor-X: I'm enjoying la dolce vita...default gnome-terminal is good enough for my lazy self ;) I am using zsh though
[02:50] <concept10> eric__, try apt-cache search linux-source instead
[02:50] <Razor-X> djm62: heh, I have Konsole on here, and have used rxvt.... don't like rxvt one bit ;0
[02:50] <crimsun> FlyingPenguin__: you can install one, but the default kernel is targeted to the lowest common denominator
[02:50] <eric__> cool
[02:50] <Razor-X> *:)
[02:51] <Razor-X> still default BASH here though
[02:51] <Ahab> hello
[02:51] <crimsun> FlyingPenguin__: for instance, you can just install linux-686-smp
[02:51] <concept10> Anyone know where I might download some good fonts?
[02:51] <crimsun> FlyingPenguin__: (if you have a P2 or better)
[02:51] <TokenBad> anyone know why can't play wmv files on ubuntu?
[02:51] <crimsun> concept10: do you have msttcorefonts from multiverse installed?
[02:51] <FlyingPenguin__> zyth: said no such command as /exec
[02:51] <zyth> crimsun, yep, I was just trying to get him to show what CPU he has so I could tell him if that was right.
[02:51] <zyth> FlyingPenguin__, ok, just do uname -a in a terminal and show me the result
[02:52] <FlyingPenguin__> Linux Scott 2.6.10-5-386 #1 Tue Jun 7 08:26:42 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux
[02:52] <zyth> FlyingPenguin__, ok, and you have a Pentium 4?
[02:52] <Razor-X> pretty sure he does, zyth
[02:52] <concept10> crimsun, I need more than that .. im looking for helvetica .
[02:52] <zyth> FlyingPenguin__,  so in Synaptic get linux-i686-smp
[02:52] <Razor-X> I'm running Linux-686, awesome stuff that is
[02:53] <FlyingPenguin__> zyth, p4 3.0hypertheding
[02:53] <zyth> yeah, then you want linux-i686-smp
[02:53] <zyth> same kernel I use
[02:53] <zyth> go grab it from synaptic
[02:53] <crimsun> keep in mind that the ubuntu kernels have HT disabled by default for security reasons
[02:53] <crazyhorse> damn. poor little me wans HT, too =)
[02:53] <crazyhorse> +t
[02:53] <crimsun> if you want to reenable HT, you need to read the changelog
[02:54] <zyth> crimsun, the SMP kernels have it disabled too now?
[02:54] <zyth> eh *shrugs*
[02:54] <FlyingPenguin__> zyth, I serced for linux-i686-smp and nuthing came back
[02:54] <crimsun> zyth: you can't have HT without SMP
[02:54] <Razor-X> FlyingPenguin__: linux-686-smp
[02:54] <zyth> crimsun, I know :)
[02:54] <HyperZid> whats the main diffrence between debian and ubuntu?
[02:55] <crimsun> anyhow, back to the jazz festival
[02:55] <zyth> crimsun, I'm just all confused. whee.
[02:56] <starla> I've suddenly run into problems burning cds in hoary.  I burned one cd successfully, and now ubuntu doesn't seem to recognize when i put in a new blank cd.  can someone help?
[02:57] <HyperZid> basicly.. I have 3 diffrent types of pc's I want to install debian/ubuntu on... 1. a server 2. my own desktop pc (want pretty new programs there) 3. my family's desktop pc.. they dont know a shit about linux.. and just want it to work..
[02:57] <crazyhorse> starla, use k3b or any cdrecord frontend.
[02:57] <Ahab> I have a printer question.  What is the 'LPR printing system' and is it in Ubuntu to begin with?  My printer has linux drivers but it says that it needs the 'LPR printing system'?  Google didn't help me out at all.   http://solutions.brother.com/linux/sol/printer/linux/lpr_drivers.html  Thanks
[02:57] <Hablandocontigo> Is there a legal way to encode to mp3?
[02:57] <HyperZid> what versions of debian/ubuntu should I choose for theese 3 profiles?
[02:57] <crazyhorse> ahab, what's your printer?
[02:57] <starla> i tried using gnomebaker but the same thing happens.  It says 'please insert a blank cd' and then hangs until it crashes
[02:57] <raz> Hablandocontigo, doesn't windows media player do it..?
[02:57] <crazyhorse> starla, yes i know, same bug here. cdrecord works.
[02:57] <concept10> HyperZid, you want a nice stable linux install use ubuntu...its way friendly
[02:58] <raz> Hablandocontigo, must be legal.
[02:58] <concept10> HyperZid, if you want a server you might want to use debian although you can use ubuntu for that purpose also
[02:58] <Ahab> brother mfc-420cn
[02:58] <x_or> Can anyone tell me how to map my NIC to a specific device name, like eth1?
[02:58] <chris_h> hab...:  .use sound juicer
[02:58] <FlyingPenguin__> when I serch for mplayer nuthing comes up pleas help.
[02:58] <Hablandocontigo> Raz well, I don't have Windows, my questions is then: is there a legal way to encode to mp3's on Linux?
[02:59] <concept10> starla, that may be a problem with your burner
[02:59] <HyperZid> concept10, ok.. so ubuntu is more user friendly?... but who gets packages updated first?
[02:59] <starla> concept10, i just successfully burned a cd a few seconds ago though.
[03:00] <HyperZid> concept10, whats ubuntu's weak side's.. compeard to debian?
[03:00] <concept10> HyperZid, ubuntu is a very polished linux distro for desktop everyday use.  As far as the packages Debian has more packages but all of the packages you might need are in Ubuntu's repositories
[03:01] <starla> is cdrecord just for audio cds? I'm having trouble understanding how to use it
[03:01] <crazyhorse> cdrecord is for everything
[03:01] <crazyhorse> don't use it directly, get a frontend for it
[03:01] <zyth> Hablandocontigo, the legality depends on where you live
[03:01] <concept10> HyperZid, there is no real downside compared to debian.  Debian has a larger developer community.  But some work on Ubuntu.
[03:02] <starla> so... i tried opening it... oh. ok.  sorry, i'm pretty new to linux.
[03:02] <FlyingPenguin__> ok guys... when I serch for mplayer synaptic nuthing comes up pleas help
[03:02] <crazyhorse> k3b is very nice (although it requires all the kde libraries)
[03:02] <zyth> Hablandocontigo, oh you're in the US.  ick.
[03:02] <zyth> Nothing is legal!
[03:02] <zyth> ;)
[03:02] <concept10> crazyhorse, you can use cdrecord from the command line
[03:03] <FlyingPenguin__> concept10: just my defalt installaction of ubuntu k3b worked...
[03:03] <Varanger> hi!
[03:03] <HyperZid> concept10, ok. thanks
[03:03] <Razor-X> hsa a vi user ever switched to emacs?
[03:03] <Varanger> I have burned the Ubuntu ISO file...
[03:03] <Hablandocontigo> zyth: yeah, cause OSes like Windows payed to be able to use mp3s?
[03:03] <zyth> Razor-X, BWAHAHAHAHA
[03:03] <crazyhorse> concept10, sure you can, but the common user wants a frontend.
[03:03] <Razor-X> zyth: XD
[03:03] <zyth> Hablandocontigo, yeah, or something, I don't know.
[03:03] <Varanger> how can I check if it was well written?
[03:03] <Varanger> is there any command for it ?
[03:03] <Razor-X> I know it's posible, but has it _happened_?
[03:04] <cary> hey bob2
[03:04] <zyth> Razor-X, not that I know of.
[03:04] <zyth> probably has some time though ;)
[03:04] <FlyingPenguin__> ok guys... when I serch for mplayer synaptic nuthing comes up pleas help
[03:04] <zyth> !restricted
[03:04] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:04] <zyth> FlyingPenguin__, see that url
[03:04] <ivanox> anyone could give me a tip of anything cool I can get for my desktop?
[03:04] <Hablandocontigo> Is there a good non-prorietary format that is supported by Windows/Mac out of the box?
[03:05] <ivanox> something cool*
[03:05] <Varanger> please... is someone listening to me?
[03:05] <Hablandocontigo> proprietary*
[03:05] <ivanox> 3 am here :/
[03:05] <crazyhorse> FlyingPenguin__, read http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94
[03:05] <zyth> Hablandocontigo, for compressed audio? :/ not really.
[03:05] <chris_h> try ogg
[03:05] <chris_h> not out of the bx but close
[03:05] <zyth> chris_h, he wanted 'supported out of the box on windows'
[03:05] <Razor-X> here's my opinion of Gnome quoted straight from someone else
[03:05] <zyth> yah
[03:06] <Razor-X> "...after many, many years of watching Gnome get worse and worse..."
[03:06] <concept10> Razor-X, youre posting that for .../
[03:06] <concept10> ?
[03:06] <Razor-X> no apparent reason, it seems
[03:06] <ivanox> for anyone using gnome ofc
[03:07] <ivanox> so tell me something cool I can use on my gnome desktop ^_^
[03:07] <concept10> post that in #desktop-manager-wars-and-bashing
[03:07] <Hablandocontigo> What would mac and windows users have to do to use ogg?
[03:07] <Razor-X> concept10: why? then I can't try and convert n00bs early ;)
[03:07] <Razor-X> Hablandocontigo: a lot
[03:07] <crazyhorse> Hablandocontigo, recent winamp versions support ogg vorbis.
[03:07] <Razor-X> UT2k3 and 2k4 uses Ogg by default
[03:08] <concept10> Razor-X,   to kde?
[03:08] <Hablandocontigo> Wow, that's terrible.
[03:08] <zyth> and there's a directshow filter for ogg for wmp
[03:08] <Razor-X> concept10: yes ;)
[03:08] <zyth> * #desktop-manager-wars-and-bashing :Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable
[03:08] <zyth> aww :(
[03:08] <concept10> Razor-X, its best to have new users know they have a choice
[03:08] <Razor-X> zyth: I gave up on Winamp. Good player, but subsequent versions became more and more memory hogging as computers got beefier.... only my computer didn't
[03:08] <Varanger> is there any way I can compare ISO files with CD burned with k3b ? dd ?
[03:09] <Razor-X> concept10: I know ,I know, i'm just joking
[03:09] <Razor-X> concept10: I feel the same way about text editors, even if I have preference
[03:09] <eric__> Is there a way to set laptop options in Ubuntu??
[03:09] <Razor-X> it really gets me when people just reccomend nano, and forget about it
[03:10] <ivanox> Razor-X, which text editor do u prefer then?
[03:10] <Razor-X> ivanox: vi, meself
[03:10] <concept10> Razor-X, .ogg is supported in windows and mac
[03:10] <ivanox> vi is too hardcore for me, hehee
[03:10] <Razor-X> concept10: not by default in the former, IIRC
[03:10] <Razor-X> ivanox: I was 11 when I first tried it... haven't looked back since
[03:11] <Razor-X> hmmm, hold on, I need to clean my trackball
[03:11] <ivanox> how old are u now?
[03:11] <Razor-X> 15
[03:11] <ivanox> ok
[03:11] <cvogel> Hi everyone.
[03:11] <crazyhorse> howdee
[03:11] <Bisclaveret> the only media my computers could play was .mod until i was 14 or so back in 1997
[03:12] <ivanox> :)
[03:12] <cvogel> I have a quick but dumb question
[03:12] <cvogel> :)
[03:12] <Razor-X> Bisclaveret: I had a 486 till about 2 years back
[03:12] <Razor-X> so, I was limited to MPGs
[03:12] <Razor-X> and some .rm files
[03:12] <Razor-X> cvogel: shoot
[03:12] <Bisclaveret> razor: i didn't touch anything faster than a 386dx-40 until 96-97
[03:12] <Bisclaveret> and nothing but dos 5.0-6.22
[03:13] <crazyhorse> when i was young i just had an ibm speeker =)
[03:13] <Bisclaveret> it's a bit hard to run windows on a 21meg st-225
[03:13] <cvogel> I just downloaded the linux-tree module from synaptic so that I could have a linux-2.6.... directory in my user/src directory.. the .bz2 file is there.. should I do anything special besides extract it?
[03:13] <cvogel> that is to get it installed correctly
[03:14] <Razor-X> Bisclaveret: well, my dad introduced me to Windows 95 on a 486 in 96, got a 686 in '05, and only upgraded our RAM (from 8 MB to 40 MB) and our modem (from 14.4 k/s to 56.6 k/s)
[03:14] <crazyhorse> just tar xfj it
[03:14] <concept10> cvogel, are you trying to install a pre-compiled kernel or compile on yourself
[03:14] <ironmc> has anyone heard of a bug in XMMS in Ubuntu with Nvidia SoundStorm onboard sound
[03:15] <cvogel> I think a pre-compiled one.. just so that I can compile some source for installing a module
[03:15] <crazyhorse> arr..hoary and sound, never ending story :/
[03:15] <Bisclaveret> alright, obviously mounting the floppy drive like that isn't right.
[03:15] <Bisclaveret> what is the CORRECT procedure for mounting the floppy drive in ubuntu
[03:16] <Razor-X> Bisclaveret: sudo mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
[03:16] <ironmc> I got the Music Player working but not xmms ... rats
[03:16] <concept10> cvogel, do you want to compile a kernel yourself, also what module?
[03:16] <Bisclaveret> because the disks are good, but nothing will write to them and the floppy formatter utility fails to write to track 0
[03:16] <Bisclaveret> Razor-X: i've done that 2-3 times now. same story
[03:16] <cvogel> it's for the newest madwifi drivers
[03:16] <Razor-X> Bisclaveret: sudo mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy -t auto
[03:16] <cvogel> I need to set my KERNELPATH .. but the directory I need isn't there yet
[03:17] <crazyhorse> ironmc, the other music player works well?
[03:17] <cvogel> so I was told to download that
[03:17] <Bisclaveret> mount: mount point /mnt/floppy does not exist
[03:17] <Bisclaveret> i have.... nothing in /mnt
[03:18] <Razor-X> Bisclaveret: ............
[03:18] <Razor-X> then mkdir it!
[03:18] <ivanox> please, just give me a tip of some nice program for my gnome desktop, like watching networkload, harddisk space or whatever
[03:18] <djs> Bisclaveret: Alternatively - Places -> Computer -> right click on "Floppy Drive"  -> Mount Volume
[03:18] <Razor-X> Bisclavaret: mkdir /mnt/floppy
[03:18] <Bisclaveret> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[03:18] <concept10> cvogel, why dont you just get the module - synaptic has the madwifi in the linux-restricted modules package
[03:18] <crazyhorse> ivanox: tcpdump in gnome terminal? ;)
[03:19] <ivanox> nooo =(
[03:19] <cvogel> the most recent??
[03:19] <ivanox> my desktop is so boring
[03:19] <Razor-X> Bisclaveret: sudo mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy -t vfat
[03:19] <cvogel> which repository
[03:19] <Bisclaveret> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/fd0,
[03:19] <Bisclaveret>        missing codepage or other error
[03:19] <Bisclaveret>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[03:19] <Bisclaveret>        dmesg | tail  or so
[03:20] <Razor-X> hmmmm....
[03:20] <concept10> cvogel,  I dont know about the most recent
[03:20] <Razor-X> Bisclaveret: no wait!
[03:20] <Bisclaveret> eh?
[03:20] <eric__> how would I go about installing a package from source with apt-get and/or the GUI?
[03:20] <cvogel> I need the most recent one. .according to a forum
[03:20] <Razor-X> Bisclaveret: dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/fd0
[03:20] <concept10> cvogel, okay
[03:21] <Bisclaveret> alright
[03:21] <Bisclaveret> and what did that do ?
[03:21] <breezy> god dammit
[03:21] <Razor-X> this nulled the floppy
[03:21] <breezy> why did people name a stupid version "breezy"
[03:21] <Razor-X> now try
[03:21] <breezy> now in xchat it always tunrs blue
[03:21] <breezy> like someone is mentioning my name
[03:21] <Razor-X> mke2fs /dev/fd0
[03:21] <Bisclaveret> same problem
[03:21] <breezy> well the version isn't stupid
[03:21] <breezy> but you know what i mean
[03:22] <Bisclaveret> hrm alright..
[03:22] <Bisclaveret> now try mounting it again?
[03:22] <Razor-X> ivanox: I may convert to emacs ;)
[03:22] <Razor-X> MUAHAHAHAHA
[03:22] <Razor-X> Bisclaveret: yeah
[03:22] <Bisclaveret> same problem
[03:23] <ivanox> Razor-X, why not go gnome and gedit :P
[03:23] <Razor-X> Bisclaveret: what's it say?
[03:23] <Razor-X> ivanox: will never give up my CLI roots!
[03:23] <Razor-X> I used to be a Gnome person, actually
[03:23] <Razor-X> but, Gnome started getting worse.... and worse............ and worse.................. and worse
[03:23] <Bisclaveret> bisclaveret@Dragon:/mnt$ sudo mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy -t vfat
[03:23] <Bisclaveret> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/fd0,
[03:23] <Bisclaveret>        missing codepage or other error
[03:23] <Razor-X> and, then I moved to the wonderful world of KDE
[03:23] <Razor-X> still, emacs seems a bit..... blocky
[03:24] <ivanox> actually planning to switch to kde, but it's got alot of bugs in Fedora.
[03:24] <Razor-X> Bisclaveret: of course
[03:24] <ivanox> and that stupid "moving icons on desktop" bug...
[03:24] <Razor-X> sudo mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy -t ext2
[03:24] <Razor-X> ivanox: not a bug in Kubuntu
[03:24] <Bisclaveret> razor: i need these disks to be able to be seen in wine and windows
[03:25] <ivanox> kubuntu doesnt have the prob with moving desktop icons?
[03:25] <Razor-X> Bisclaveret: but, I want to know if it's a floppy problem first
[03:25] <Razor-X> does it mount now, Bisclaveret?
[03:26] <Bisclaveret> razor: it can't be a problem with the diskette. these diskettes format perfectly fine in msdos with no errror blocks
[03:26] <cvogel> thanks for you help, though
[03:26] <Razor-X> Bisclaveret: did it mount this time/
[03:26] <Razor-X> *?
[03:27] <Razor-X> ivanox: not a bit, no
[03:27] <Razor-X> the only thing I use Kate for on this box is as a good LaTeX IDE
[03:27] <Bisclaveret> yes
[03:29] <Razor-X> Bisclavaret: sudo umount /dev/fd0  then mkfs.vfat /dev/fd0 then mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy -t vfat
[03:29] <msg43> hello
[03:29] <crazyhorse> hi msg43
[03:29] <msg43> is it possible to search the packages apt-get has?
[03:29] <Razor-X> msg43: apt-cache search packagename
[03:29] <crazyhorse> apt-cache search or via synaptic
[03:29] <msg43> oh ok thanks
[03:29] <msg43> and how do I have script run at boot up
[03:29] <Razor-X> where packagename is the package you are searching for ;)
[03:30] <Bisclaveret> alright, that mounted
[03:30] <Bisclaveret> does this mean files on my floppy will be in /mnt/floppy?
[03:30] <Razor-X> Bisclaveret: yeahp
[03:30] <Razor-X> and now, the fs should be readable by Windows
[03:31] <crazyhorse> msg43, have a look at /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[03:32] <Razor-X> Bisclaveret: the best formatting method for a floppy is "dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/fd0 & mkfs.vfat /dev/fd0"
[03:32] <JAyRULE> how do i get flash enabled in firefox
[03:32] <JAyRULE> ??
[03:32] <Razor-X> JAyRULE: not sure, wait around for a firefox user
[03:33] <JAyRULE> oh...what do you use Razor-X?
[03:33] <JAyRULE> u have Ubuntu installed right?
[03:33] <AE86_Racer> can someone give me a hand with an install issuse?
[03:33] <Razor-X> JAyRULE: Opera
[03:34] <JAyRULE> ahh
[03:34] <Razor-X> AE86_Racer: shoot
[03:34] <concept10> JAyRULE, sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[03:34] <kram_> hi guys, got a question for u, i installed breezy today (yes i read warning too late) and now i wnat to downgrade to hoary again, is it possible? pinning option in etc/apt/preferences doesnt work
[03:34] <AE86_Racer> ok
[03:35] <Bisclaveret> grf
[03:35] <AE86_Racer> I have a Toshiba Satellite M45-S331 that Im trying to install Ubuntu on
[03:35] <AE86_Racer> OS: WinXP Professional 5.1 Service Pack 2 (Build #2600) CPU: Intel Pentium M , 1.60 GHz Video: Generic Television on Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS,910GML Express Chipset Family (1280x800x32bpp 60Hz) Sound: SoundMAX Digital Audio Memory: Used: 436/504MB Uptime: 2h 2m 43s HD: [C:]  25.06/64.56 GB [T:]  3.27/5.86 GB Connection: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection - Intel Wireless Connection Agent Miniport @ 1.0 Mbps (R
[03:35] <AE86_Racer> those are the specs
[03:35] <Bisclaveret> Razor-X: i tried to do a sudo cp <file> /mnt/floppy
[03:35] <AE86_Racer> now after unloading everything from the CD and setting up grub
[03:35] <Bisclaveret> cp: writing `/mnt/floppy/disk1.exe': Input/output error
[03:35] <AE86_Racer> I restart and let grub load Ubuntu
[03:35] <Ghetek> !seen kassetra
[03:35] <ubotu> kassetra <~kassetra@c-67-171-201-213.hsd1.or.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #ubuntu, 2d 19h 59m 3s ago, saying: 'ds installs just fine, and both are runnign.'.
[03:35] <kram_> Bisclaveret: disk is faulty
[03:35] <AE86_Racer> and it locks up trying to load hotplug
[03:35] <AE86_Racer> any ideas?
[03:36] <Razor-X> Bisclaveret: yeah, must be
[03:36] <kram_> try another flippy disk Bisclaveret
[03:36] <Bisclaveret> they aren't
[03:36] <Razor-X> AE86_Racer: try Recovery mode
[03:36] <Bisclaveret> i just tried all disks in the box i just bought
[03:36] <Razor-X> Bisclaveret: put it in DOS, and find out, they must've gone faulty
[03:37] <kram_> Bisclaveret: either they are all faulty or your floppy cables arent corectly attached, no other possibility i can think of
[03:37] <Bisclaveret> Razor-X: they go faulty once i try to write anything to them in linux. when i reformat them in dos, they're perfectly fine
[03:37] <AE86_Racer> razor:same result no dice
[03:37] <kram_> maybe tehy gonne loose
[03:37] <AE86_Racer> keeps freezing trying to load hotplug
[03:37] <Razor-X> AE86_Racer: have any USB devices attached?
[03:37] <Bisclaveret> but when i try to write to them in linux, they get a general fault in dos again and i need to reformat
[03:38] <AE86_Racer> yeah a Microsoft USB optical mouse
[03:38] <msg43> crazyhorse, thanks you I will look been extremely busy help someone
[03:38] <AE86_Racer> it didnt have an issue when I installed onto an older system
[03:38] <Razor-X> AE86_Racer: try removing it, and restarting
[03:38] <AE86_Racer> you mean trashing the partition and starting over?
[03:38] <ivanox> anyone in here from the us? is gabby a male or female name!?
[03:39] <Razor-X> AE86_Racer: no, I mean, removing the Optical Mouse
[03:39] <kram_> can anybody help me downgrading vrom breezy to hoary again? is it even possible?
[03:39] <Razor-X> ivanox: female, generally
[03:39] <Razor-X> a nickname
[03:39] <ivanox> ok, thanks Razor-X
[03:40] <AE86_Racer> Razor:same result
[03:40] <spanglesontoast> is it possible to switch over from a different sound module without restarting?
[03:42] <jbwiv> guys...trying to install libsdl1.2-dev on Hoary (to support qemu installation).  libsdl1.2-dev depends on xlibmesa-glu-dev_6.8.2-10_i386.deb, which supposedly is in the main apt repositories.  However, every repository I check is missing it, although if you search google for it it indicates it was indeed once there.  libsdl1.2-dev won't install without it....any idea what's going on?
[03:42] <Razor-X> AE86_Racer: hmmm............
[03:42] <Razor-X> AE86_Racer: not really sure then
[03:43] <Razor-X> jbwiv: the package is xlibmesa-glu-dev
[03:43] <Razor-X> IIRC
[03:43] <jbwiv> Razor-X: yes...Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/xlibmesa-glu-dev_6.8.2-10_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[03:43] <jbwiv> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[03:44] <jbwiv> Razor-X: I get this from every repository I try...it's simply not there. :(
[03:44] <paxon> Ugh, even gnomebaker works outta the box. Me <3 Ubuntu.
[03:44] <Razor-X> jbwiv: you're pretty lost, I see ;)
[03:44] <Razor-X> the us.archive.ubuntu.com repositories have been down for ages now
[03:45] <jbwiv> Razor-X: really?  What should I be pointing to, then?
[03:45] <Razor-X> remove the "us." from all of 'em, and then run a "sudo aptitude update"
[03:45] <jorgp2> is there a gnupg 1.4.1 available for hoary?
[03:45] <Razor-X> or, sudo apt-get update, if you want to use apt-get ;)
[03:46] <Razor-X> jorgp2: there's gpg2
[03:47] <msg43> are there any good guides on the learning linux and bash?
[03:47] <jbwiv> Razor-X: hrmh....hang on.  thanks :)
[03:47] <jorgp2> no  gnupg 1.4.1 is latest stable
[03:48] <paxon> msg43, I'm reading Running Linux (Oreilly).
[03:48] <jbwiv> Razor-X: ugh.... Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/xlibmesa-glu-dev_6.8.2-10_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 82.211.81.151 80] 
[03:49] <transgress> is msn borked for anyone else in gaim?
[03:49] <msg43> paxon, ok thank you
[03:50] <kram_> can anybody help me downgrading vrom breezy to hoary, or tell me if its even possible
[03:50] <kram_> read the downgrad frm hoary to warty, but that emthod isnt working anymore
[03:50] <jbwiv> Razor-X: any idea?
[03:51] <msg43> how can I have a program start at login?
[03:51] <kram_> msg43: i assume u meaning under X? depends on your desktopmanager/window manager
[03:53] <msg43> kram_, yes gnome that runs gdm
[03:53] <kram_> there is an autostart folder on my gnome desktop
[03:53] <kram_> but there is somehwere a start programs thingie
[03:53] <kram_> letme see
[03:53] <msg43> well what I want to do is x11vnc -passwd thepasswd
[03:53] <kram_> have to check on debian desktop since breezy fucked my X
[03:54] <kram_> under preferneces u got a session entry
[03:54] <jbwiv> or anyone for that matter?  I'm thinking Hoary's repositories are a bit hosed.
[03:54] <kram_> under session there is a startup programs thingie
[03:54] <paxon> Open up your GNOME menu, select Preferences followed by Sessions. Switch to the Startup programs tab
[03:54] <kram_> u can enter programms there
[03:54] <msg43> ok
[03:55] <kram_> can anybody tell me what that means
[03:55] <kram_> Jun 17 03:54:10 localhost kernel: mtrr: base(0xe8020000) is not aligned on a size(0x300000) boundary
[03:55] <Bisclaveret> Razor-X: people in another channel are telling me i should have a /dev/fd0u1440
[03:55] <kram_> x not working since breezy update
[03:56] <paxon> Anyone knows a perl scripts for reading logs, like loco?
[03:57] <crazyhorse> paxon, don't know loco, what do you need?
[03:57] <msg43> paxon, can you read a perl script with cat?
[03:57] <msg43> I meant a log script
[03:58] <paxon> crazyhorse, just colored easy on the eyes logs.
[03:58] <crazyhorse> paxon, any special log format?
[03:58] <paxon> crazyhorse, syslog auth..
[04:00] <paxon> loco colors the logs as in tail - /var/log/syslog  | loco but not good enough
[04:00] <paxon> -f*
[04:00] <crazyhorse> paxon, i see, well i don't know any tool for that, but it should'nt be easy to write
[04:00] <crazyhorse> arr it SHOULD be
[04:01] <paxon> true, but I'm too new to write even my name :/
[04:01] <ivanox> u guys saw the explot for ultimate php board lol?
[04:01] <ivanox> exploit*
[04:01] <crazyhorse> paxon, lol
[04:01] <phillipc> anyone know if I can distribute my maildir over imap today with hula?
[04:02] <crazyhorse> paxon, what's wrong with this loco thing?
[04:02] <paxon> nothing just needs some editing.
[04:02] <crazyhorse> paxon, which?
[04:03] <paxon> color.
[04:03] <paxon> Like 'root' should be red 'user' white 'date' green ..etc nothing major.
[04:04] <paxon> crazyhorse, I gotcha an idea for a project ..eh?
[04:04] <sophie_msumu> go pistons go
[04:04] <crazyhorse> paxon, copy /usr/bin/loco in your homedir and have a look
[04:05] <paxon> kent, thanks.
[04:05] <crazyhorse> this should be easy enough to edit for you, search for the word palette
[04:05] <paxon> Yeah I'll look at it.
[04:06] <starla> I'm still not able to solve my cd burning problems...
[04:06] <dimgr_> hello , is a mobility X600 ATI supported? anyone got it to work? i can get other ati cards to work but not this
[04:09] <kram_> hmm
[04:09] <kram_> upgraded to breezy, seems it cnat find font path
[04:09] <kram_> any ideas?
[04:11] <Loki_VA> hi people
[04:11] <Loki_VA> anyone having issues with gaim and msn?
[04:11] <phoenixp3k> Anyone using GAIM? noticing problems even after the update
[04:11] <Loki_VA> lol
[04:11] <Loki_VA> indeed
[04:11] <phoenixp3k> well guess we're all rushing on the problem
[04:11] <Loki_VA> msn must be down or changin things
[04:12] <phoenixp3k> I doubt it
[04:12] <phoenixp3k> tryed e-messenger
[04:12] <socomm> What exactly are you upgrading to for?
[04:12] <phoenixp3k> working fine
[04:12] <starla> I'm trying to use cdrtoaster to burn a data cd like someone here suggested I try.  But it doesn't seem to allow anything but iso and audio? how do I add files to the cd using cdrtoaster?
[04:12] <socomm> I don't think there's anything extra  ordinarily new in breezy to merit the upgrade just yet.
[04:12] <phoenixp3k> well, not sure it fully works
[04:12] <socomm> starla: Have you tried K3B?
[04:13] <phoenixp3k> Anyone using GnomeBaker?
[04:13] <starla> no, not yet. it requires all the kde libraries and I figured I'd try this first.
[04:13] <starla> I was trying to use gnomebaker too
[04:13] <socomm> I'd suggest giving that application a shot since it's probably the best OSS cd creation app out there.
[04:13] <starla> but it still won't recognize that I have a blank cd in the drive.
[04:13] <zyth> socomm, does it work without tweaks on gnome ubuntu?
[04:14] <TokenBad> is there a way to monitor inet traffic in ubuntu?
[04:14] <starla> does anyone here know how to use cdrtoaster?
[04:14] <starla> I know that must be a stupid question, but I'm really looking for some help figuring out what's wrong with my system
[04:15] <starla> I'm a pretty new girl to linux... and I'm really stuck.
[04:15] <Loki_VA> TokenBad, iptraf is a good terminal app
[04:15] <transgress> so does anyone have a suggestion for buying music in linux?
[04:15] <phoenixp3k> Gaim & MSN problem...
[04:15] <TokenBad> i type that in and says not found
[04:15] <likkashot> oh yeh
[04:15] <likkashot> I need help burning a cd
[04:15] <phoenixp3k> is this Microsoft trying to kick off alternate software...
[04:15] <transgress> phoenixp3k: yep... it's down
[04:16] <likkashot> ubuntu says my computer is to slow to burn at these speeds
[04:16] <Loki_VA> TokenBad, so download it
[04:16] <socomm> transgress: Just go out and buy regular albums.
[04:16] <transgress> socomm: online... $10... store... $17
[04:17] <transgress> socomm: stealing... free... but i can't find it for free... so i'm resorting to the next cheapest thing
[04:17] <likkashot> is there an alternate prog to burn iso
[04:17] <Loki_VA> k3b
[04:17] <transgress> likkashot: what are you using?
[04:17] <socomm> cdrecord
[04:17] <transgress> k3b then
[04:17] <likkashot> right click :)
[04:17] <socomm> Anything else is just a front end for said utility.
[04:17] <starla> Can someone help me? If I use gnomebaker, it does 'creating data disk image' and when it tries to actually burn it, it says I don't have a cd in the drive.
[04:17] <Loki_VA> or cdrecord thru term
[04:17] <phoenixp3k> Use http://webmessenger.msn.com/default.aspx?R=1 As an alternate
[04:17] <Adyeths> GnomeBaker is nice for burning cd's.
[04:18] <zyth> Anyone else having MSN issues right now?
[04:18] <likkashot> cool
[04:18] <starla> when I use nautilus, it basically does the same thing
[04:18] <transgress> i think i'll just do w/o msn
[04:18] <transgress> i hate the messenger anyway
[04:18] <likkashot> i need to burn ubuntu 32
[04:18] <starla> neither recognizes that I have a cd in the drive
[04:18] <transgress> i try to just use jabber
[04:18] <socomm> MSN, hah noobs.
[04:18] <Loki_VA> starla, do normal cd's work thru ubuntu?
[04:18] <starla> yes
[04:18] <transgress> socomm: there is no place for that here.
[04:18] <starla> normal cds work
[04:19] <Loki_VA> u sure ur burner is ok?
[04:19] <transgress> socomm: this is a help channel... either help or STFU
[04:19] <Loki_VA> physically that is
[04:19] <likkashot> should be
[04:19] <starla> yeah i'm sure it is ok. i just successfully burned a cd just before this happened
[04:19] <likkashot> if not im screwed
[04:19] <starla> and a few minutes ago, it randomly started burning the cd that i'd been trying to burn... as if it'd been lagging for half an hour
[04:19] <Loki_VA> socomm, i use msn to talk to winblowz ppl, I've been using linux for like 8 years
[04:19] <starla> i went and watched part of stargate and came back and it was partway done.
[04:20] <socomm> Well I'd suggest switching to different IM services, maybe one that's OSS or has open standards.
[04:20] <socomm> Jabber maybe?
[04:20] <Loki_VA> starla, interesting.. perhaps a update is in order?
[04:20] <likkashot> where can I get gnomebaker
[04:20] <starla> my system is up to date...  i update all the time
[04:20] <likkashot> im so new to this
[04:20] <transgress> hence me saying i use jabber... but socomm... it goes like this... if you know people on a messenger that you need to talk to... you'll use that messenger.
[04:21] <Loki_VA> starla, no idea then, sry..
[04:21] <socomm> Umm, IM is really for the teenie bopper crowd. I find it alot easier to pickup the phone and talk it up with friends.
[04:21] <starla> how can I work toward solving this?  are there error logs I can look at?
[04:21] <starla> crash logs or something? that someone could look at and help me figure out what the problem is?
[04:21] <transgress> socomm: opinions are like assholes... anyway... help channel... stick to helping or not talking.
[04:22] <likkashot> :)
[04:22] <starla> I'm sorry I'm not a very smart linux user... this must seem really annoying
[04:22] <Amaranth> socomm: It's the exact opposite here. I hate talking on the phone.
[04:22] <likkashot> gnomebaker?
[04:22] <phoenixp3k> Adyeths, can't manage to burn anything
[04:22] <djs> likkashot: sudo apt-get install gnomebaker
[04:22] <transgress> starla: what kind of system do you have?
[04:22] <socomm> Amaranth: If I must, the phone is the best tool for the job.
[04:22] <transgress> starla: like your system specs
[04:22] <Loki_VA> starla, maybe a dma issue
[04:22] <starla> custom built system.  about 1ghz, 30gig hd
[04:22] <transgress> how much ram?
[04:22] <Razor-X> you know, they need to have a Dvorak version of vi
[04:23] <starla> what does a 'dma issue' mean?
[04:23] <starla> what other specs do you want?
[04:23] <transgress> i'd like to use the Dvorak keyboard... but dear god... i don't care to learn to type again
[04:23] <likkashot> thanks djs
[04:23] <transgress> starla: how much ram does it have?
[04:23] <Amaranth> socomm: If it's a client or a short 1 minute phone call, sure. Otherwise I like IM because I can usually type faster than I can talk.
[04:23] <starla> 512mb ram
[04:23] <TokenBad> ok someone has to know this
[04:23] <Razor-X> transgress: I never learned QWERTY, but had my own spatial style and could do a nice 90 WPM
[04:23] <raz> pft, 90 wpm.
[04:24] <TokenBad> how to set the permissions in nix so people can read write and make from a ftp
[04:24] <Razor-X> so, it wasn't as hard to unlearn QWERTY as it is for most people
[04:24] <raz> peanuts.
[04:24] <transgress> i can usually pull around 100 on qwerty... lately i've been lagging behind though
[04:24] <Razor-X> raz: I know
[04:24] <Razor-X> now I can type much faster ;)
[04:24] <starla> ok, here's what just happened: I let gnomebaker crash on its own, and a burn:///window popped up on its own.  I hit write to disc, and it appears to be working now... why would this happen?
[04:24] <transgress> i definitely don't want to unlearn qwerty
[04:24] <raz> Razor-X, just kidding.. eum.. hey, what do you recommand for an audio editor under linux!?
[04:24] <transgress> because i'd still like to be able to go to somewhere else and be able to use their keyboards
[04:24] <transgress> Razor-X: audacity maybe?
[04:24] <Razor-X> raz: heh, I know ;) and I'ld say Azureus
[04:24] <Loki_VA> starla, type this in term, sudo hdparm -i /dev/insertdeviceforburnerhere and msg me the output
[04:24] <Razor-X> errr!
[04:24] <Razor-X> Audacity
[04:25] <Razor-X> always get the two confused
[04:25] <transgress> i was about to say wtf
[04:25] <concept10> Amaranth, did anything work out with config-services?
[04:25] <likkashot> this ubuntu is nice
[04:25] <transgress> yes it is
[04:25] <likkashot> i love the support
[04:25] <Amaranth> concept10: I haven't been able to use my computer.
[04:25] <Amaranth> concept10: And I'm still not home.
[04:25] <djs> likkashot: np.  You can also use System -> Administration -> Synaptic Package Manager
[04:25] <likkashot> i had a course on linux with fedora core 3 but its a little bit lost
[04:25] <phoenixp3k> No support for the Gaim problem coalition?
[04:25] <concept10> Amaranth, oh - okay
[04:25] <transgress> there has got to be a good way to buy music on linux... i mean we all aren't theives are we?
[04:26] <Razor-X> transgress: I know a lot of people who don't unlearn QWERTY
[04:26] <transgress> phoenixp3k: try #gaim?
[04:26] <raz> phoenixp3k, #gaim
[04:26] <concept10> likkashot, where did you take that course
[04:26] <phoenixp3k> true :p
[04:26] <Razor-X> transgress: you sure? ;)
[04:26] <Amaranth> concept10: I'm on a POS 133Mhz with 32MB of RAM running Windows ME with a 56k connection from Walmart. :)
[04:26] <Razor-X> Amaranth: XD
[04:26] <concept10> Amaranth, gosh, where are you?
[04:26] <transgress> Razor-X: starting to doubt it... but there are a few things i can't find on bt to steal... so i'm resorting to the next cheapest thing
[04:26] <Razor-X> wow, can it get worse?
[04:27] <zyth> Amaranth, serious?  THat's kinda awesome
[04:27] <Amaranth> Razor-X: The keyboard also sucks and the mouse is jumpy.
[04:27] <Razor-X> transgress: ahhh, that's when you go to your special connections ;)
[04:27] <TokenBad> take it no one knows then...thanks
[04:27] <Amaranth> TokenBad: 755 should be good for a dir, which is the default.
[04:27] <Razor-X> Amaranth: tell me it has QWERTY and a normal mouse and tat's enough ;)
[04:27] <transgress> Razor-X: they don't have them either... i think i need more special connections
[04:27] <TokenBad> so chmod 755?
[04:27] <Razor-X> transgress: PM me what you're looking for
[04:27] <Adyeths> GnomeBaker is just a gui frontend to the command line apps for burning cd's.
[04:27] <Adyeths> probably something in the settings.
[04:27] <Adyeths> I'm not really an expert on using it. I just know it works for me without much trouble on those rare occasions that I burn a cd. (which is very rare. heh.)
[04:28] <socomm> I prefer K3B since it accomodates all my pirating needs.
[04:28] <raz> Razor-X, damnit, why do you love GTK1 progs so much =\
[04:28] <Razor-X> socomm; mmmhmmm
[04:28] <Razor-X> raz: I don't, I just reccomend them for you ;)
[04:28] <socomm> K3B I <3 you.
[04:28] <Amaranth> TokenBad: That's the default.
[04:28] <jim_> guys, is there a relatively easy way to change my desktop to use KDE? I'm using Ubuntu, which has Gnome by default
[04:28] <zyth> socomm, Pirating? pfft, noob.
[04:28] <socomm> jim_: Kubuntu, look it up.
[04:29] <Amaranth> jim_: Install the kubuntu-desktop package and restart.
[04:29] <raz> Razor-X, heh.. well.. any non-GTK1 sound editors you recommand?..
[04:29] <jim_> socomm,
[04:29] <jim_> thanks
[04:29] <Razor-X> raz: well, Audacity is the best free one, in my experience
[04:29] <Razor-X> and it's not GTK1.... is it?
[04:29] <Razor-X> it's all good with GTK-QT anywho ;)
[04:29] <TokenBad> Amaranth, then how come people still can't upload to the dir?
[04:29] <raz> Razor-X, pretty sure it is.. i can recognise the ugly fonts.
[04:29] <nJess> oky
[04:29] <nJess> i have a weird problem
[04:29] <Amaranth> TokenBad: *shrug*, maybe it needs to be 777
[04:29] <Amaranth> TokenBad: I'm bad with permissions.
[04:30] <nJess> KDE and gnome have sorta mixed on my ubuntu
[04:30] <TokenBad> I tried at both
[04:30] <nJess> http://midnight-jester.csmn-ctd.net/screenshot.jpg
[04:30] <raz> Razor-X, hm, what's that? antialiasing for gtk1?..
[04:30] <transgress> installing kubuntu-desktop broke stuff when i did that
[04:30] <nJess> the KDE icon set is partially loaded
[04:30] <Amaranth> TokenBad: Then you have other problems. It can't be a permissions issue.
[04:30] <transgress> but installing ubuntu-desktop from kubuntu worked fine... odd stuff
[04:30] <Razor-X> transgress: have you tried Gnutella?
[04:30] <transgress> eh nope
[04:30] <Razor-X> raz: no, that makes GTK follow your QT theme
[04:31] <socomm> nJess: Try using png, instead of jpg.
[04:31] <Razor-X> so it's all homologous for me
[04:31] <Razor-X> transgress: try it
[04:31] <transgress> k
[04:31] <nJess> socomm, why>
[04:31] <nJess> ?
[04:31] <Razor-X> I can try Ares too, I have it setup in WINE
[04:31] <TokenBad> well it can't be router
[04:31] <raz> Razor-X, same ugly fonts tho, right?..
[04:31] <TokenBad> don't have one
[04:31] <Razor-X> raz: nope
[04:31] <likkashot> hmmm
[04:31] <transgress> okay phoenixp3k as best as i can tell... msn is just down... because my sister can't get on at all in windoze
[04:31] <likkashot> didnt work with gnomebaker
[04:31] <socomm> nJess: jpg discards alot of data from your images original.
[04:32] <nJess> socomm, it also allows for the smallest possible image sizes
[04:32] <nJess> and i have absurd upload speeds
[04:32] <likkashot> i wanted to burn at 75x hehehe
[04:32] <socomm> http://samesoft.sourceforge.net/gnome.png
[04:32] <nJess> im aware of the virtues of png, but i can't upload them without a timeout
[04:33] <Razor-X> PNG is t3h awesome
[04:33] <TokenBad> I do a little graphics
[04:33] <TokenBad> post I deviant
[04:33] <transgress> 75x?  do they even have burners for that speed?
[04:33] <socomm> PNG accomodates all my pr0n needs.
[04:33] <socomm> Hmmmm, well maybe not. ^_^!
[04:33] <transgress> mpg accomodates mine
[04:33] <raz> Razor-X, would you be talking about 'gtk2-engines-gtk-qt'? works for gtk1 too?
[04:34] <Razor-X> raz: yeahp
[04:34] <Razor-X> well, it wouldn't look good on your desktop
[04:34] <Razor-X> because you have a Gnome desktop
[04:34] <Razor-X> mmmmm
[04:34] <TokenBad> I make my own desktops
[04:34] <ac_> so, i'm having some problems installing ubuntu 5.04 from the pressed cd on a relatively recent vintage pc
[04:34] <seth_k> mmm, vintage
[04:34] <ac_> for some reason, i can't boot off the install cd, nor the live cd
[04:35] <transgress> ac_: check your bios settings
[04:35] <Razor-X> TokenBad: I can draw stick figures!!!11!!!
[04:35] <ac_> however, i have verified that i am able to boot off cd at all because i was able to boot off a windows cd
[04:35] <Razor-X> ok.... my stick figures come out bad too.... :\
[04:35] <ac_> (win2k)
[04:35] <socomm> \o/
[04:35] <TokenBad> I don't think my stuff is good either Razor-X
[04:35] <IIIEars> ac_ - Is your bios set up to boot from a CD?
[04:35] <socomm> ac_: Bad write perhaps?
[04:35] <Razor-X> TokenBad: I know 3rd graders who draw as well as I do
[04:35] <Razor-X> and they aren't gifted
[04:35] <raz> Razor-X, same ugly gtk1 fonts =/
[04:35] <ac_> so -- questions... primary master ide is a dvd drive, main hard drive is a 320 gb SATA drive
[04:36] <Razor-X> raz: get a GTK theme, I think
[04:36] <ac_> are there limitations to grub or whatever ubuntu uses as a bootloader for booting with taht config?
[04:36] <ac_> IIIEars: yes, i have booted off a win2k cd
[04:36] <TokenBad> Razor-X, want to see one of my pics?
[04:36] <ac_> socomm: waht do you mean by "bad write" ?
[04:36] <IIIEars> ac_ - both the install and live CD don't boot it is likely your pc. - though if it is the CD check your CD write speed or run a md5sum check on the images.
[04:37] <socomm> ac_: I meant that perhaps you're cd burner just wrote a nice freesbie for you.
[04:37] <ac_> IIIEars: this is the pressed cd
[04:37] <socomm> ac_: Have you tried verifying if the CD is any good?
[04:37] <ac_> socomm: yes, i was able to use the live cd and boot my laptop with it
[04:37] <IIIEars> ac_ - thats one variable eliminated.
[04:37] <NowOrNever> Hello I'm trying to connect to an Airport wireless access point but it seems to require an ascii password and I simply don't know how to configure it under Ubuntu Hoary, any idea?
[04:38] <ac_> IIIEars: I also *just* booted and installed win2k from cd... about 10 minutes ago
[04:38] <Zodiac> hey guys
[04:38] <Zodiac> My DVD player (totem) is playing weird, like jumpy picture
[04:38] <IIIEars> ac_ - well i am stumped - (sheepish grin)
[04:38] <Zodiac> what can I do?
[04:38] <varg> how do I search with apt-get for packages already installed on my system?
[04:38] <gm78> Zodiac : encrypted DVD?
[04:38] <ac_> IIIEars, so am i... :/
[04:38] <Zodiac> umm
[04:39] <Zodiac> dunno
[04:39] <gm78> Zodiac : what dvd
[04:39] <gm78> ?
[04:39] <Zodiac> Bloody Sunday
[04:39] <likkashot> cdrecord: WARNING: Drive returns wrong startsec (0)
[04:39] <likkashot> ????
[04:39] <Zodiac> I already set the DMA to 1 I believe
[04:39] <ac_> is there a way to encourage ubuntu to start the install from windows?
[04:39] <varg> w/ apt-get or dpkg
[04:39] <zyth> Zodiac, DMA issue probably, turn DMA on for your drive
[04:39] <zyth> oh
[04:39] <varg> ac_: what?
[04:39] <gm78> Zodiac : never heard of it but am i correct that it is a movie?
[04:39] <Razor-X> varg: you can use aptitude
[04:39] <Zodiac> I think I may have done that...
[04:39] <Zodiac> yea it is a movie
[04:39] <zyth> !dma
[04:39] <ubotu> dma is probably Direct Memory Access/Addressing. A method of transferring data from one memory area to another without having to go through the central processing unit. It makes your hard disks run faster :-)
[04:39] <jim_> socomm, it's asking me what the desired default display manager should be: gdm or kdm. Is KDM the one I want if I want the KDE display?
[04:39] <gm78> Zodiac : do you have libdvdcss installed?
[04:40] <zyth> where do I turn on DMA...
[04:40] <varg> Razor-X ah thanks man
[04:40] <likkashot> cdrecord: The current problem looks like a buffer underrun.
[04:40] <likkashot> cdrecord: It looks like 'driveropts=burnfree' does not work for this drive.
[04:40] <Zodiac> I think I do... lemme check
[04:40] <likkashot> grrr
[04:40] <jim_> or anyone else
[04:40] <gm78> Zodiac : it isnt available in synaptic...it has to be compiled it is incredibly easy to do tho
[04:40] <socomm> jim_: They should work fine, but if you want the true KDE experience I'd suggest using KDM.
[04:40] <jim_> ok, thanks!
[04:40] <IIIEars> ac_ - all i can suggest is md5summing the disk. - unfortuneatly, a single read error (dust, fingerprint) will give you a bad number on an otherwise good CD.
[04:40] <likkashot> I realy dont want to go in winblows to burn this
[04:40] <socomm> However, in my opinion GDM looks alot better.
[04:41] <Zodiac> I have it installed yes
[04:41] <ac_> varg: well, inserting the livecd in windows brings up some autorun stuff. i was wondering if the install cd has similar setup, where you can bootstrap your install from windows and then reboot and continue
[04:41] <jim_> great, what do I do now?
[04:41] <jim_> how can I refer back, if necessary?
[04:41] <Zodiac> I am also using TOTEM instead of Gstreamer
[04:41] <Amaranth> totem uses gstreamer by default
[04:41] <Amaranth> you mean you installed totem-xine?
[04:41] <Zodiac> ha ha
[04:41] <Zodiac> yea
[04:41] <Zodiac> sorry
[04:41] <socomm> totem-xine is alot better.
[04:41] <IIIEars> ac_ - try a different machine if you have another.
[04:42] <gm78> Zodiac : I find the best media player...even tho it kind of stands out in Gnome...is Kaffeine, espescially for DVDs
[04:42] <socomm> At least in my experience it is.
[04:42] <Amaranth> gm78: vlc is great
[04:42] <likkashot> oh now its burning
[04:42] <Zodiac> I remember someone telling me to add some code to the end of a file
[04:42] <gm78> Zodiac : that plus libdvdcss and it works awesome...even dvd menus
[04:42] <IIIEars> Hello Amaranth! :)
[04:42] <Zodiac> does that ring any bells for some people?
[04:42] <ac_> IIIEars -- so you've not heard of any limitations on install cd not liking the combination of booting off DVD and installing onto a SATA drive?
[04:42] <gm78> Amaranth : never tried it, is it really good?
[04:42] <jim_> How can I go back to Gnome?
[04:42] <Amaranth> IIIEars: Yep, I'm here pimping vlc again.
[04:42] <Zodiac> hmmm
[04:42] <Amaranth> gm78: Yeah, it's great.
[04:42] <IIIEars> "" ((((VLC)))
[04:43] <gm78> Amaranth : does it support binary codecs from mplayerhq.hu?
[04:43] <Zodiac> Kaffeine can work in Gnome?
[04:43] <gm78> Amaranth : and libdvdcss?
[04:43] <IIIEars> ac_ - SATA is very common isn't it?
[04:43] <gm78> Zodiac : any kde program can work in Gnome
[04:43] <Amaranth> gm78: Sure.
[04:43] <Zodiac> This is weird...
[04:43] <parabolize> I like gxine.
[04:43] <socomm> gm78: Provided you got all the libraries in place.
[04:43] <Zodiac> I mean it plays the darn DVD... it just seems like it is skipping frames
[04:43] <gm78> Zodiac : and vice versa....they just dont blend in very well since they use different toolkits (gtk vs qt)
[04:43] <ac_> IIIEars, erm I think SATA is prett popular these days
[04:43] <jim_> I got the following message. What do I do now?
[04:44] <jim_> Setting up kdm (3.4.0-0ubuntu18) ...
[04:44] <jim_>  * Reloading K Display Manager configuration...                          [fail] 
[04:44] <jim_> invoke-rc.d: initscript kdm, action "reload" failed.
[04:44] <Amaranth> gm78: I think libdvdcss came from the vlc project, actually.
[04:44] <IIIEars> ac_ - SCSI CDwas the older more difficult standard no?
[04:44] <zyth> is turning DMA on my Hard disk a matter of just putting dma = on for /dev/hda in my hdparm.conf ?
[04:44] <gm78> Amaranth : which toolkit does it use?
[04:44] <Amaranth> gm78: wxwidgets
[04:44] <gm78> Zodiac : do u need help setting up libdvdcss?
[04:44] <Zodiac> Well does anyone have any idears for totem-xine?
[04:44] <Amaranth> gm78: so GTK
[04:44] <Zodiac> I am not sure
[04:45] <riffic> is gdm borked in breezy ?
[04:45] <gm78> Amaranth : hmmm....would probably work better than kaffeine...ill have to try it....does it support DVD menus?
[04:45] <gm78> lol, maybe i should just shut up and try it
[04:45] <gm78> :P
[04:45] <riffic> i can't get a gnome session to load
[04:45] <riffic> in .xsession-errors I get this
[04:45] <sophie_msumu> riffic: there is nothing working in breezy
[04:45] <riffic> could not exec /etc/gdm/Xsession default
[04:45] <Amaranth> gm78: I've never tried.
[04:46] <riffic> sophie_msumu: informative.
[04:46] <IIIEars> << - back from Monterey N. California. - Who is John Steinbeck? (grin)
[04:47] <likkashot> Im runing ubuntu amd64 k8 is it a good idea to go back to the 32
[04:47] <jim_> socomm, I did what you said, but it doesn't seem to be working
[04:47] <gm78> likkashot : why u wanna downgrade?
[04:47] <Zodiac> ahhh poop
[04:48] <Davey> Amaranth: !
[04:48] <likkashot> cause im trying to install cedega and stuff
[04:48] <IIIEars> likkashot - Some have had good luck with the 64bit vers. - some haven't - I would look for "bob2" and ask him. He is very knowledeable.
[04:48] <likkashot> and I read theres not a big difference in both
[04:48] <Amaranth> Davey: hey
[04:48] <Quest-Master> I'm getting choppy video output on VLC, GXine, Mplayer, and Ogle.. I don't think video output has anything to do with it either since I've tried every single video driver possible
[04:49] <Davey> Amaranth: hows it going? :)
[04:49] <Amaranth> Davey: ok, i guess
[04:49] <Davey> Amaranth: Ubuntu is the first Linux distro I've used for more than 24hrs at a time :D
[04:49] <gm78> Quest-Master : what kind of videos u trying to play?
[04:49] <IIIEars> Quest-Master - check your settings for buffering.
[04:49] <Davey> Amaranth: and Smeg has played its part I'll tell you :D
[04:49] <Quest-Master> DVD, gm78
[04:49] <likkashot> well I have nothing on this comp so I dont mind trying
[04:49] <jim_> It appears kubuntu desktop is installed but how do I get it to change to KDE?
[04:49] <Amaranth> Davey: I try. :)
[04:49] <likkashot> takes about 20 min to install right
[04:49] <Davey> Quest-Master: check the DMA settings on the drive, mine was off
[04:49] <gm78> Quest-Master : libdvdcss compiled and installed?
[04:49] <riffic> jim_: change your session in the gdm login screen
[04:50] <Quest-Master> gm78: Yeah
[04:50] <Quest-Master> Davey: Hmm, how to?
[04:50] <Zodiac> How do you check the DMA settings?
[04:50] <riffic> click session before you type in your username and password
[04:50] <gm78> Quest-Master : lol, do what davey says
[04:50] <Amaranth> jim_: If gdm is still the one starting, choose to start a KDE session.
[04:50] <Quest-Master> IIIEars: Same, how to?
[04:50] <Davey> Quest-Master: google it :)
[04:50] <likkashot> I cant even see my extra NIC card
[04:50] <Davey> Quest-Master: +Ubuntu +DVD +DMA will find it :)
[04:50] <jim_> thanks guys, I'll try to figure out what you're saying (I'm jim_noob)
[04:50] <Quest-Master> Thought asking you would've been faster, but ok :)
[04:50] <likkashot> damn nforce 4 integrated stuff
[04:50] <IIIEars> DMA settings? - give me a sec i think i have a note here (kinda new at this too)
[04:51] <riffic> just log out of gnome, jim_ and click on the session button when you log back in
[04:51] <riffic> its easy
[04:51] <TC08> how does one view quicktime
[04:51] <Quest-Master> sudo hdparm -d /dev/hd[a-d]  <-- is this safe?
[04:51] <Quest-Master> TC08: Mplayer-Plugin, also known as mozilla-mplayer
[04:52] <IIIEars> I don't have the note on dma- doh! - sorry.....
[04:52] <jim_> riffic, thanks.
[04:52] <likkashot> later install time
[04:52] <riffic> Quest-Master: sort of but [a-d]  isn't supposed to be literal
[04:52] <Quest-Master> riffic: Oh, ok
[04:52] <Quest-Master> Got it then
[04:52] <riffic> it'd be /dev/hda or whatever your device is
[04:52] <Quest-Master> Ah
[04:52] <Quest-Master> It's turned off
[04:52] <riffic> and to turn on dma, sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[04:53] <riffic> hard disk, or cd rom drive?
[04:53] <Quest-Master> Woot. Thanks.
[04:53] <riffic> cool
[04:53] <riffic> yeah that should speed stuff up
[04:53] <riffic> =)
[04:53] <riffic> pio is a major bottleneck
[04:54] <TC08> where do I find mozilla-mplayer
[04:54] <vzero> where is the conf file of video card
[04:55] <riffic> vzero: /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[04:55] <riffic> =)
[04:55] <Bisclaveret> could the reason i'm not able to get any sound, or write to my floppy, be because i somehow don't have permissions to these thigns from the setup? and if so, why don't i?
[04:55] <riffic> anyone know if gdm is broken in breezy and if it is, is there an easy fix?
[04:55] <Quest-Master> TC08: sudo apt-get install mozilla-mplayer
[04:55] <riffic> because it seems broken here
[04:55] <jim_> riffic, when I try to choose a session, the option appears to be "greyed" out
[04:55] <riffic> grey? weird
[04:55] <jim_> it doesn't allow me to choose anything
[04:55] <riffic> you did install kubuntu-desktop?
[04:56] <jim_> ya
[04:56] <jim_> sudp apt-get blah blah
[04:56] <Quest-Master> GDM is buggy as hell
[04:56] <Quest-Master> I use KDM, even though I only use Gnome :P
[04:56] <jim_> I used KDM
[04:56] <Quest-Master> With GDM, it randomly worked
[04:56] <mpm> Anyone using fluxbox and has overcome a severe delay on startup?  (20 seconds)??
[04:57] <TC08> hey do I need to add any repos to apt for mozilla-mplayer?
[04:57] <Amaranth> TC08: Just universe.
[04:57] <jim_> Gaim won't sign on anymore.
[04:58] <IIIEars> ubotu DMA is ""DMA from the ubuntu wiki guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DMA""
[04:58] <ubotu> ...but dma is already something else...
[04:58] <IIIEars> ubotu DMA
[04:58] <ubotu> I guess dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. A method of transferring data from one memory area to another without having to go through the central processing unit. It makes your hard disks run faster :-)
[04:58] <IIIEars> ubotu DMA is also ""DMA from the ubuntu wiki guide https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DMA""
[04:58] <ubotu> okay, IIIEars
[04:59] <ac_> so... the problem was that ubuntu wouldn't load off my DVD drive; replacing it with an older cdrom seems to fix the problem
[04:59] <IIIEars> ubotu DMA
[04:59] <riffic> gr, gonna try kdm instead and see if these xsession errors go away
[05:00] <lynx> How can I modify gnome menus size
[05:00] <ac_> of course, now it's stuck trying to load the ide-cd module
[05:00] <Amaranth> lynx: What do you mean?
[05:00] <lynx> how can I modify gnome menu sizes
[05:01] <lynx> Have you seen windows start menu ? something like that
[05:01] <zyth> Can anyone tell me why totem-xine would be telling me it can't play dvd:// ?
[05:01] <IIIEars> lynx - the menu bar across the bottom can be a different size. Is that what you mean?
[05:01] <lynx> Have you seen windows start menus something like that
[05:02] <Amaranth> Oh, yeah. You can't do that.
[05:02] <IIIEars> Aaranth - knows gnome :)
[05:02] <zyth> help, I can't play my DVDs, and it's not due to lack of decss or anything..  :(
[05:03] <lynx> Let say that I wanna to add something like Ubuntu in the place that windows says windows 98 or windows nt
[05:03] <zyth> oh wait
[05:03] <zyth> got it
[05:03] <lynx> Do you know what I am saying
[05:03] <IIIEars> Amaranth is just getting warmed up. - lol
[05:03] <Amaranth> lynx: Yeah, not possible.
[05:04] <lynx> Why not
[05:04] <socomm> ...
[05:04] <socomm> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=867
[05:04] <socomm> STFW
[05:04] <zyth> How do i turn on DMA for my DVD drive?
[05:04] <IIIEars> Amaranth - can you change the gnome "foot" icon?
[05:04] <Amaranth> IIIEars: That's beyond smeg. That would require source code patching of libwnck-applet
[05:04] <Amaranth> IIIEars: No, but you or a theme can.
[05:04] <cthulfuego> !smeg
[05:04] <ubotu> I guess smeg is a Gnome menu editor. Get it at at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[05:04] <Amaranth> IIIEars: gnome-main-menu-icon.png or something
[05:04] <zyth> !dma
[05:04] <lynx> i can change gnome foot icons
[05:05] <IIIEars> Ah - coo-ool - wide grin
[05:05] <cthulfuego> ubotu: goo'boy
[05:05] <ubotu> Aww, thanks dad.
[05:05] <Amaranth> ubotu: goo'boy
[05:05] <Amaranth> bleh, spam control
[05:05] <djs> lol
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[05:06] <IIIEars> lol
[05:06] <lynx> IIIIEars, would you like me to tell you how change gnome foot icon
[05:06] <cthulfuego> Amaranth: Please +q yourself for spamming for 30 minutes.
[05:06] <IIIEars> lynx - NP - i'll search for the png
[05:06] <djs> !dma
[05:06] <lynx> it is a simple png
[05:06] <cthulfuego> Now then, i have a couple of chickens to roast
[05:07] <lynx> htt://www.gnome-look.org
[05:07] <IIIEars> !gnome
[05:07] <ubotu> IIIEars: Wish i knew
[05:07] <djs> OK - ubotu IM's the response now
[05:07] <IIIEars> !theme
[05:07] <ubotu> IIIEars: I don't know
[05:07] <cthulfuego> djs: it does if it's longer than a certain number of charcters.
[05:07] <IIIEars> djs - thats an improvement
[05:07] <lynx> So it is not possible to change, modify and add gnome Application menu ?
[05:07] <socomm> !keywords
[05:07] <ubotu> socomm: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[05:07] <IIIEars> you can still "tell" someone no?
[05:07] <djs> ty
[05:08] <cthulfuego> IIIEars: yes
[05:08] <zyth> wwtf why will this movie not work right
[05:08] <cthulfuego> IIIEars: Also see !tell <foo> -about <bar>  (It won't echo the factoid to you if you use the -)
[05:09] <lynx> Ok guys I'll find the way how to create a new gnome menu interface
[05:09] <Amaranth> lynx: You can add and remove things from the menu, but you can't put 'Ubuntu' running down the side of the menu.
[05:09] <lynx> But Why not
[05:09] <Amaranth> lynx: Well, for one it's tacky and useless. :)
[05:09] <socomm> Amaranth: You could on KDE. :^)
[05:09] <lynx> Suse 9.3 professional has Suse
[05:09] <ac_> so, is there a way during the install to prevent it from attempting to load the ide-cd module?
[05:10] <Amaranth> lynx: That's KDE.
[05:10] <IIIEars> lynx - erm you "can" - it is open source. - (ducks the incomming trout)
[05:10] <socomm> lynx: SuSE runs defaults to KDE, not GNOME.
[05:10] <Amaranth> KDE == We try to look like Windows and Fail It. :)
[05:10] <cthulfuego> You'd have to put 'kubuntu' then or the stasi would come and get you
[05:10] <c_rodge> hey i have no sound in ubuntu hoary
[05:10] <Bisclaveret> gnome reminds me of mac os 7.5
[05:10] <socomm> KDE == MS exiles.
[05:10] <Loki_VA> kde bites
[05:10] <lynx> But it is not the idea of doing that,  it is just that I want a menu like Longhorn on Gnome
[05:10] <socomm> GNOME == Macintosh rejects.
[05:10] <cthulfuego> Amaranth: Well, interestingly my wife (mac user) far prfers KDE over Gnome. She says it works much more like MacOS does than Gnome.
[05:11] <c_rodge> can someone please help me, i have no sound, what so ever
[05:11] <FLeiXiuS> c_rodge: Are your mixers unmuted ? :-P
[05:11] <c_rodge> yeah
[05:11] <IIIEars> uMS "Exiles" - nah forkmer subjagates - lol
[05:11] <FLeiXiuS> c_rodge: What sound card do you have
[05:11] <lynx> I wanna to build a menu so suchs longhorn on gnome
[05:11] <c_rodge> i can i figure that out
[05:12] <FLeiXiuS> ... lmao.
[05:12] <Amaranth> lynx: Do you know C?
[05:12] <zyth> Is it a bad idea to set dma = on for hda (hard disk), hdc (cdrom) and hdd (dvd-rom) in /etc/hdparm.conf?
[05:12] <lynx> a little
[05:12] <Amaranth> zyth: It could cause some problems, that's why it's off by default.
[05:12] <c_rodge> how can i figure out my sound card
[05:12] <transgress> damn it all... someone edited my amd64 ndiswrapper wiki and screwed it up
[05:12] <zyth> Amaranth, like what?
[05:13] <c_rodge> ive tried this but it was no help
[05:13] <FLeiXiuS> c_rodge: lspci -v
[05:13] <socomm> Amaranth: A better question would be, "How badly do you want this menu?".
[05:13] <Amaranth> lynx: The only way you're going to get a menu like that is deep C/glib/GTK hacking.
[05:13] <c_rodge> http://ubuntuguide.org/#configuresoundproperly
[05:13] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[05:13] <Amaranth> I hate trying to solve Ubuntu problems from a Windows computer.
[05:13] <zyth> Amaranth, what kind of problems could it cause?  Basically, is it likely to actually be an issue for me?
[05:14] <lynx> But if I can build a menu like longhorn on gnome, microsoft will has declare in banckruptsy
[05:14] <c_rodge> when i run that to figure out my sound card the terminal just dissapears
[05:14] <socomm> lynx: Haha.
[05:14] <Amaranth> zyth: I don't know, if you turned it on and can still boot (you made it turn on at every boot) then you're fine.
[05:14] <zyth> oh ok :)
[05:14] <Amaranth> That was a very subtle troll. Hmm...
[05:15] <c_rodge> having no sound is very frustrating
[05:16] <c_rodge> can someone please help me
[05:16] <c_rodge> i have no sound
[05:16] <Jmax1632> hey
[05:16] <transgress> c_rodge: what card do you have?
[05:16] <Jmax1632> how does one use the extra "internet" keys on an HP keyboard?
[05:16] <c_rodge> how can i figure that out
[05:16] <Jmax1632> under ubnuntu
[05:16] <transgress> Jmax1632: go into keyboard shortcuts under system-preferences at the top
[05:16] <raz> what do you ppl use to extract .rar archives?
[05:17] <Jmax1632> transgress: one second
[05:17] <transgress> raz: unrar
[05:17] <glDaher> I've used synaptic to get CpuFreq applet for gnome, but it doesn't work with the following error: The applet didn't manage to find CpuFreq support in the sysfs. You need your kernel to have built-in support for CpuFreq ...
[05:17] <transgress> raz: depending on the type of rar you might need unrar-nonfree
[05:17] <Jmax1632> transgress: explain to nard please
[05:17] <transgress> .tar.bz2 so beats rar
[05:17] <Jmax1632> well duh
[05:17] <transgress> explain to nard?
[05:18] <Jmax1632> yeah
[05:18] <Jmax1632> the keyboard thing
[05:18] <Nard> i have the problem
[05:18] <Nard> jmax is helping me
[05:18] <Nard> but has no clue how to
[05:18] <Jmax1632> heh
[05:18] <Jmax1632> i'm not much help :x
[05:18] <c_rodge> what do i run in the terminal to figure out my sound card
[05:18] <Jmax1632> c
[05:18] <Jmax1632> c_rodge: lspci
[05:18] <Jmax1632> try that
[05:18] <transgress> Nard: do you see where it says System at the top of the screen?  Click that... then Preferences... THen Keyboard shortcuts... go to volume up, click it... push your volume up button... click volume down... blah blah blah
[05:18] <FLeiXiuS> Nard: Accept his kindness to help, atleast he didn't ignore.
[05:18] <Nard> i know
[05:18] <Nard> he is great
[05:19] <Jmax1632> :o
[05:19] <Nard> sweet
[05:19] <Nard> great
[05:19] <Nard> that worked perfect transgress
[05:20] <transgress> Nard: heh yeah... i loved being able to do that.  even works with the volume wheel on my keyboard
[05:20] <Nard> yeah
[05:20] <Nard> i have the wheel too
[05:20] <Nard> i like it better then buttons
[05:20] <Nard> :D
[05:21] <transgress> yeah i just feel smooth when i just slide it around to turn my volume off... i make a show of it when i have company
[05:21] <transgress> because i'm just cool like that
[05:21] <Nard> haha
[05:21] <transgress> or a real loser... depending on how you look at things
[05:21] <Nard> i would probably just think you are "different"
[05:22] <likkashot> that was fat
[05:22] <likkashot> fast
[05:23] <likkashot> anybody has a MSI k8t neo4 platinum board??
[05:23] <Nard> what is that
[05:23] <likkashot> motherboard
[05:24] <Nard> hmmm
[05:24] <likkashot> k8 no t
[05:24] <zyth> hm
[05:24] <brett> I've got a question about having to manually enable the wireless connection at start up.  Anyone able to help out a bit?
[05:24] <Nard> well i don't
[05:24] <zyth> turning all DMA on made my HAL not be able to load
[05:24] <likkashot> well a nforce 4 ultra chipset?
[05:24] <nate__> brett, shoot, whats up?
[05:25] <brett> thx nate:  I've got a Linksys WMP54GS set up thru ndiswrapper.  All is well, except every time i boot, I have to manually enable it in the Network Configuration tool.
[05:26] <spiderworm> hi all, is there a utility that will allow scripts to be written that simulate keyboard and mouse clicks for gnome, like they've got for osX?
[05:26] <nate__> I'd like to change my desktop so that it recognizes the bars asthe edges of the desktop.  You'll see what I mean here: http://www.clan-bd.com/nate/ss/Screenshot.png  and here  http://www.clan-bd.com/nate/ss/Screenshot.png
[05:27] <Loki_VA> zyth, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28805&page=2&pp=10
[05:27] <Razor-X> OMG, I may convert from vi to emacs *gasp*
[05:27] <Razor-X> first Tsunamis... now... _this_!!!
[05:27] <sproingie> that's like saying you're converting religions
[05:27] <Razor-X> no, worse
[05:27] <Razor-X> that's like... i'm converting bodies, or something
[05:27] <nate__> brett, what is the interface?
[05:27] <zyth> Loki_VA, oh hey cool, thanks :D
[05:28] <Razor-X> but emacs can't do ':wq" :(
[05:28] <spiderworm> Razor-X, to symbolize the conversion, should your name change?
[05:28] <Razor-X> even though 'w' and 'q' are miles apart....
[05:28] <Razor-X> spiderworm: not a chance
[05:28] <Razor-X> I am The Razor-X
[05:28] <sproingie> ctrl-x ctrl-c rules you
[05:28] <Razor-X> don't know what that means yet ;)
[05:29] <Razor-X> at this point, i'm still the ":qw" man
[05:29] <Amaranth> emacs causes RSI
[05:29] <sproingie> it's gonna be painful then
[05:29] <Amaranth> all those reaches for ctrl
[05:29] <Razor-X> Amaranth: it will for me
[05:29] <sproingie> yah, i'm a dyed in the wool emacs fan
[05:29] <Razor-X> 'x' and 'c' are miles apart!
[05:29] <sproingie> but it's true, that ctrl key really wears down your left hand
[05:29] <Amaranth> make caps lock a ctrl key
[05:30] <Amaranth> then it's in your home row
[05:30] <sproingie> i've started customizing keybindings to not use ctrl
[05:30] <transgress> jmax <3's kaeli
[05:30] <Razor-X> Amaranth: I might just buy a keyboard like that
[05:30] <socomm> Must resist jokes about hand wear downs.
[05:30] <spiderworm> does anybody know the answer to my question?
[05:30] <socomm> Mu.
[05:30] <sproingie> i refuse to remap my keyboard for just one app
[05:30] <transgress> for anyone else that was wondering what that binary meant... it's <3 kaeli
[05:30] <Razor-X> the HHKL2 is one my list-of-keyboards-to-buy
[05:30] <ChrisCF> and what, put ctrl in completely the wrong place?
[05:30] <Razor-X> sproingie: it's your text editor man!
[05:30] <sproingie> tho i so hardly ever USE capslock that i may as well just make both of them ctrl
[05:30] <ChrisCF> Everyone knows Ctrl goes in the corners :)
[05:31] <Razor-X> ChrisCF: it belongs where Caps Lock is
[05:31] <ialexei> Hi, is every1 here using Linux ?
[05:31] <Razor-X> only, i'll have a damned hard time getting used to it
[05:31] <jim_> guys, what's the command again to reconfigure grub bootup?
[05:31] <Razor-X> ialexei: no, but most are
[05:31] <Razor-X> jim_: grub-update
[05:31] <transgress> ialexei: no we are all in windoze
[05:31] <ialexei> cool =) Smart
[05:31] <likkashot> hihi
[05:31] <ChrisCF> It doesn't.  Just a whole bunch of keyboards seemed to put it there by mistake
[05:31] <sproingie> i do use capslick sometimes tho
[05:31] <sproingie> er ... capslock even more often
[05:32] <Razor-X> ChrisCF: it was there originally
[05:32] <Razor-X> I used to not use Caps Lock at all, but since switching to Dvorak, it helps
[05:32] <socomm> I'm using Hurd actually.
[05:32] <tony> i just installed ubuntu on my laptop tonight, first time
[05:32] <jim_> Razor-X, I mean changes to the mailist1 or whatever that file is
[05:32] <tony> lovin it
[05:32] <ChrisCF> well, I've seen it *not* there independently on some 5 different types of keyboard
[05:32] <ialexei> This is cool, Ubuntu is the coolest distro ever
[05:32] <Razor-X> jim_: hmmm?
[05:32] <tony> but i have a wireless adapter question if anyone coudl help
[05:32] <Razor-X> ialexei, tony: glad you people think so
[05:32] <sproingie> i'd love to switch to dvorak ... i could get used to the letters being in different places.  but my muscle memory for emacs and vi both would never go away
[05:33] <Razor-X> tony: shoot
[05:33] <transgress> tony: we can if you ask
[05:33] <jim_> like if I want to change the sequence of the default bootup
[05:33] <ChrisCF> including some very old keyboards
[05:33] <zyth> Loki_VA, seems to have worked, how do I verify that my DMA is on?
[05:33] <tony> thanks...
[05:33] <Razor-X> sproingie: I had to relearn vi, it was hard, real hard
[05:33] <jim_> from Ubuntu to Windows, for instance
[05:33] <tony> ok
[05:33] <Razor-X> they need to Dvorak-ize emacs and vi
[05:33] <Razor-X> they reall do
[05:33] <Razor-X> *really
[05:33] <tony> i have a linksys wireless notebook adapter
[05:33] <Loki_VA> zyth, sudo hdparm /dev/devicefile
[05:33] <sproingie> they won't
[05:33] <tony> how do i install and get it to work
[05:33] <Razor-X> hell, if they have mice for lefthanders, then they should have emacs for Dvorakers
[05:33] <socomm> jim_: Why would anyone want to put MS-Windows before Ubuntu? :^>
[05:33] <Razor-X> mice suck as do lefthanders ;)
[05:33] <sproingie> actually it would drive me nuts to not have ctrl-x, ctrl-v, and ctrl-c in the same places
[05:34] <ChrisCF> and what exactly is wrong with Qwerty?
[05:34] <zyth> Loki_VA, hm, using_dma is off for both my cdroms :/
[05:34] <Razor-X> sproingie: they're miles apart on my keyboard
[05:34] <sproingie> basically i'd like dvorak for typing sentences, but for everything else i'd hate it
[05:34] <jim_> socomm, I knew that was coming.
[05:34] <Razor-X> ChrisCF: can you tell me why some of the most useless keys ever are on your home row?
[05:34] <ChrisCF> 100 years of typewriters, terminals, and home computers can't be wrong :)
[05:34] <ialexei> The only quirk I had with Ubuntu was I was looking for a services manager to be present deafult, ended up downloading bum and it was cool
[05:34] <Razor-X> ChrisCF: oh yes they can
[05:34] <Razor-X> Windows is the standard
[05:34] <Amaranth> ChrisCF: qwerty was created to make you type slower
[05:34] <Razor-X> are you telling me Linux is wrong?
[05:34] <tony> razor-x, did you see my question?
[05:35] <ChrisCF> what, useless keys like A, S, D, F and Enter?
[05:35] <Razor-X> tony: nope, sorry ;)
[05:35] <tony> linksys wireless adapter
[05:35] <Razor-X> ChrisCF: my home row on the other hand is A O E U
[05:35] <tony> how do i install and make it work?
[05:35] <Razor-X> other-hand not meaning left
[05:35] <Razor-X> tony: read the Ubuntu wiki on WirelessHowto
[05:35] <Nard> ok gys
[05:35] <tony> ok
[05:35] <Razor-X> don't remember the link offhand, sorry
[05:35] <Nard> i have another problem
[05:35] <Nard> i can't get any avi files to play
[05:35] <jim_> I want to change /boot/grub/menu.lst file
[05:35] <Nard> in totem they play
[05:35] <Nard> but only noise
[05:36] <ChrisCF> Razor-X: but then that means you can't type "asdf" so quickly :o)
[05:36] <Nard> no picture
[05:36] <Razor-X> ChrisCF: one hand has all the vowels on the home row, the other hand has the most used consonants and consonant pairs
[05:36] <jim_> could it be: sudo edit ...?
[05:36] <ialexei> OK folks I have a question. I am a first time Ubuntu user. I noticed that Ubuntu is running the PostFix deamon as a service (starts at bootup). Why ?
[05:36] <FR500> Nard, did you just wake ur comp up from hibernation?
[05:36] <Razor-X> the second most used consonants, and punctuation is kept on the row above the home row, because it's easier to reach up than it is down
[05:36] <Nard> yes
[05:36] <ialexei> Why do I need this ?
[05:36] <ChrisCF> I'm a big fan of "transferrable skills"
[05:36] <Razor-X> and then, the bottom row has the most useles keys
[05:36] <ChrisCF> I'd rather use a layout at home that I know won't mean I have to adjust when I go to work
[05:36] <Razor-X> like 'j' and 'k' and 'x' and 'z'
[05:37] <ChrisCF> Useless?
[05:37] <ChrisCF> Don't you ever use "tar" then?
[05:37] <sproingie> i don't do home row anyway, so i'm less prone to rsi
[05:37] <Razor-X> ChrisCF: odd the double-standard there, Linux is adjustable but Dvorak is not ;)
[05:37] <ialexei> Reposting -- OK folks I have a question. I am a first time Ubuntu user. I noticed that Ubuntu is running the PostFix deamon as a service (starts at bootup). Why ?
[05:37] <ChrisCF> eh?
[05:37] <Razor-X> and, I sentence type a lot more than I tar ;)
[05:37] <Razor-X> easier to type in cat too ;)
[05:37] <ChrisCF> I don't see a double-standard
[05:37] <Razor-X> all I need
[05:38] <FR500> Nard, try restarting xserver
[05:38] <Razor-X> Linux == non-standard not-at-work
[05:38] <Razor-X> Dvorak == non-standard not-at-work
[05:38] <Nard> what would restarting xserver do FR500
[05:38] <Razor-X> anyways, time for me to leave, as my mom wants me to leave, since i've been online too long
[05:38] <FR500> Nard, did they play well beforE?
[05:38] <Razor-X> *on the computer
[05:38] <Nard> no
[05:38] <Nard> i haven't got them to
[05:38] <ChrisCF> The difference being that I don't need to readjust myself when I come to work at my own machines because I use Linux instead of Windows
[05:38] <cthulfuego> ialexei: So that mail can be processed.
[05:38] <Nard> i have had ubuntu for like a week
[05:39] <FR500> Nard, oh well, my vids wont play fine after wake up
[05:39] <Nard> hmmm
[05:39] <ChrisCF> Particularly if I use software at work that I can't use at home
[05:39] <jim_> does no one know how?
[05:39] <FR500> you gotta read ubuntu wiki for restricted formats or google for ubuntu unnoficial guide
[05:39] <Nard> ok
[05:39] <ialexei> What do u mean mail can be processed. I use my ISP's mail server. Do u mean to say evolution needs the postfix service to read the mails from my ISP's smtp server ?
[05:39] <ChrisCF> whereas if I were using two different keyboard layouts, I'd be pretty screwed if I tried to touch-type
[05:40] <cthulfuego> ialexei: No, but your local system sends mails to the root or other use about cron jobs that fail etc.
[05:40] <ChrisCF> More importantly, I'm not going to switch to Dvorak when Qwerty works just fine
[05:41] <ChrisCF> On the other hand, Linux works, and Windows very often fails to work.
[05:41] <ialexei> Aah, Is theer anything wrong if I disabled it. I dont like having that and the netkitinetd and the fetchmail
[05:43] <cthulfuego> ialexei: Why?
[05:43] <ialexei> For now I have just disabled them, but I am interested in knowing if my system will crash or something if I disabled these
[05:43] <cthulfuego> ialexei: No, but you would get errors logs about mail being disabled.
[05:43] <jim_> Can someone help me please?
[05:43] <ialexei> Postfix, I heard if its not configured properly spammers could relay spam thru ur machine
[05:44] <cthulfuego> ialexei: It *is* configured properly.
[05:44] <cthulfuego> ialexei: Unless you changed the config...
[05:44] <thr1ce> jim_, not if you don't ask the question
[05:44] <jim_> but thr1ce, I did.
[05:44] <ialexei> Thank you cthu..
[05:44] <jim_> I'd like to know how to edit the menu.lst file for grub
[05:45] <ialexei> I did not chnage any setting
[05:45] <jim_> I need to know the command sequence.
[05:45] <ooberhaxxor> how do i install xmms? it in in a .tar format
[05:45] <cthulfuego> ooberhaxxor: it's not. 'apt-get install xmms'
[05:45] <jim_> sudo edit /boot/grub/menu.lst didn't work
[05:45] <thr1ce> sudo gedit
[05:45] <ooberhaxxor> cthulfuego, that is wat i type somewhere?
[05:45] <ialexei> Btw, nice to note FreeNX works right out of the box =)
[05:46] <jim_> thr1ce, that's it!
[05:46] <jim_> gedit
[05:46] <jim_> thanks man
[05:46] <thr1ce> sure thing
[05:46] <ialexei> No nxsetup ^$^%$
[05:47] <ialexei> Also, do you know why I ned this netkit-inetd (says internet superserver') ???
[05:47] <cthulfuego> ooberhaxxor: Start 'synaptic', find 'xmms', install it.
[05:48] <cthulfuego> ialexei: /usr/share/doc/netkit-inetd
[05:48] <cthulfuego> ialexei: All pckages have docs. read them.
[05:48] <ooberhaxxor> says i must run it as root user
[05:49] <ialexei> ok, will do cthu..Sorry abt these silly questions, its just that I am excited to see a distro that I think can replace the crappy OS on my home PCs
[05:49] <cthulfuego> ialexei: <heh>
[05:50] <ialexei> Yeaah baby, No more %$$%^& microsoft tax
[05:50] <FR500> wow monodevelop rox
[05:50] <cthulfuego> ialexei: Just keep in mind most stuff is installed for a good reason, even if the reason may not be immediately obvious. Apart from all that python shit, Ubuntu has fairly sane defaults.
[05:50] <KrakensDen> cthulfuego, python shit?
[05:50] <paxon> is gparted any good?
[05:50] <cthulfuego> KrakensDen: python shit
[05:51] <ooberhaxxor> cthulfuego, thanks i got it
[05:51] <FR500> paxon, parted is better :)
[05:51] <KrakensDen> paxon, probably, parted is :)
[05:51] <FR500> paxon, but gparted does the job
[05:51] <paxon> FR500, KragenSitaker check.
[05:51] <ooberhaxxor> the first hours of using linus is kind of confusing :P
[05:51] <cthulfuego> apt-cache search python-* | wc -l  -> 808  -> python shit
[05:52] <parabolize> my first YEAR was confusing ;)
[05:52] <thr1ce> try starting on slackware
[05:52] <KrakensDen> thr1ce, that is, oddly enough, very good advice
[05:52] <cthulfuego> Try starting on Slack 3 with floppies and a remote NFS server.
[05:53] <KrakensDen> thr1ce, though actually, I would recommend Debian stable
[05:53] <thr1ce> KrakensDen, i knwo; ran it for a year and a half
[05:53] <KrakensDen> thr1ce, woody, preferably
[05:53] <thr1ce> KrakensDen, you'll learn more linux on slack
[05:53] <KrakensDen> thr1ce, installer from hell and all :)
[05:53] <KrakensDen> thr1ce, I started with woody, then used Slack for two years
[05:53] <thr1ce> KrakensDen, try installing crux
[05:53] <cthulfuego> How is the woody installer an installer from hell?
[05:54] <cthulfuego> the *only* hard bit if the reading you need to do.
[05:54] <ialexei> cthu..Sorry another silly q. I wanted to add 'bum' (the services manager) to the system menu. How do i do taht ?
[05:54] <KrakensDen> it's far too verbose
[05:54] <KrakensDen> well
[05:54] <cthulfuego> ialexei: 'sudo apt-get install bum'
[05:54] <thr1ce> crux is all text
[05:54] <ialexei> I have the pacakge installed
[05:54] <KrakensDen> it was my first experience with linux
[05:54] <KrakensDen> so it was far too verbose :P
[05:54] <thr1ce> you chroot into kernel source and compile your own, write your own configs
[05:54] <ialexei> But I dont get the icon
[05:54] <parabolize> "The best way to learn is LFS" but I want to use my computer the first year.
[05:54] <KrakensDen> it took me two tries, but I got it installed
[05:54] <thr1ce> crux is the saem way
[05:54] <ialexei> I wud like to have an icon on system men u
[05:55] <TokenBad> anyone know how to get wmv to play on ubuntu?
[05:55] <ialexei> I can run bum , but its just that it wud be nice if I could have it run from the system menu
[05:55] <KrakensDen> you probably need to download the win32 codecs
[05:55] <cthulfuego> I don't even want to think about how much power is wasted on compile-from-scratch distros that ALL run with the EXACT same setup.
[05:55] <cthulfuego> !restricted
[05:55] <ubotu> I guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[05:55] <KrakensDen> cthulfuego, it's a crime
[05:55] <robitaille> TokenBad,    totem with win32 codecs
[05:55] <TokenBad> I installed the win32 codecs
[05:55] <cthulfuego> gentoo kills trees
[05:55] <fivre> hey, if I have "/dev/hda2       /media/windows  vfat    umask=000       0       0
[05:55] <TokenBad> and it will not play it
[05:56] <paxon> I plenty of ram and set 2gb to swap when I installed. Can I reduce swap, or is it wise to just leave things alone?
[05:56] <paxon> have*
[05:56] <thr1ce> fivre, looks good
[05:56] <thr1ce> might want rw,umask=000
[05:56] <TokenBad> will not play any wmv yet
[05:56] <cthulfuego> paxon: Just moutn half the swap as /tmp or something via tmpfs.
[05:56] <fivre> I did it as per the ubuntu guide
[05:56] <paxon> cthulfuego, thanks.
[05:56] <thr1ce> fivre, I do vfat    rw,umask=000
[05:56] <fivre> but it appears to be instructions for a logical partition
[05:56] <thr1ce> and do 1   0
[05:56] <thr1ce> at the end
[05:57] <robitaille> TokenBad,  have you installed "totem-xine"?  Sometimes it makes totem play more things.
[05:57] <cthulfuego> thr1ce: No, "0 0" at the end
[05:57] <TokenBad> no
[05:57] <TokenBad> what is totem-xine?
[05:57] <thr1ce> for logical?
[05:57] <thr1ce> no
[05:57] <fivre> what is it for extended FAT partition?
[05:57] <thr1ce> i have always used 1   0
[05:59] <robitaille> TokenBad,  totem-xine tells totem to use the xine library for playbacks.   Sometimes it works better.
[05:59] <TokenBad> yeah
[05:59] <TokenBad> it seems to work now
[05:59] <TokenBad> but another question
[06:00] <TokenBad> what plugins would be needed to play wmv in mozilla?
[06:00] <fivre> changing it to 1   0 gets the same error
[06:00] <thr1ce> fivre, yes this line
[06:01] <robitaille> TokenBad, I personally don't use plugins for that.  If you click on the link, it should ask you which application to use to pplay the wmv, then you select totem as a stand-alone.
[06:01] <fivre> which?
[06:01] <thr1ce> /dev/hda2       /media/windows          vfat    rw,umask=000    1       0
[06:01] <fivre> ah
[06:01] <TokenBad> it don't do that..it trys to load it into a html page
[06:01] <TokenBad> like streaming
[06:01] <phillipc> anyone know if I can distribute my maildir over imap today with hula?
[06:02] <thr1ce> fivre, work?
[06:02] <fivre> nope, still same error
[06:02] <Ahmuck> with the live cd, everything is in memory ?
[06:02] <thr1ce> what error?
[06:03] <thr1ce> fivre, what error are you recieving?
[06:03] <fivre> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/102
[06:03] <kcburyshaker> hello?
[06:03] <fivre> that one^
[06:04] <thr1ce> type mount
[06:04] <djs> Ahmuck: Yes.
[06:04] <kcburyshaker> i just installed ubuntu and would like a little help
[06:04] <thr1ce> what does the /dev/hda2 say
[06:04] <kcburyshaker> this is my first dive into linux
[06:04] <Twitch> could ne1 help me get 3D acceleration from my voodoo2? I'm raelly quite lost
[06:04] <fivre> you mean the line after it in /etc/fstab ?
[06:05] <thr1ce> no, are you sure it's a Fat32 partition?
[06:05] <fivre> yep
[06:05] <TokenBad> robitaille, I got it working..did apt-get install mplayerplug-in
[06:06] <TokenBad> and its working now
[06:06] <fivre>  /dev/hda2             746        2434    13566892+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[06:06] <Ahmuck> djs, nothing is written to disk ... so possible to boot with any disc at all, just mobo, mem, and proc ?
[06:06] <Ahmuck> without
[06:06] <Twitch> can ne1 help me with installing my voodoo2 card?
[06:06] <fivre> unless Win95 Extended isn't FAT32
[06:07] <djs> Ahmuck:  Yes.  You could run it on a diskless workstation.
[06:07] <Ahmuck> this is awesome !
[06:07] <refuze2looze> anybody know a program that can show me the CRCs of the contents of a ZIP file?
[06:08] <fivre> so, why isn't hda2 mounting?
[06:10] <likkashot> anybody has a page on installing cedega
[06:11] <learn25> hi all!
[06:11] <likkashot> hi
[06:11] <Ahmuck> well, actually to boot from a cd one would not be diskless
[06:11] <learn25> anybody can help me setup dhcp on my eth0? i have two NIC eth0 and eth1
[06:12] <likkashot> lucky you
[06:12] <learn25> i already downloaded dhcp3-server
[06:12] <likkashot> cant see my eth1
[06:12] <djs> Ahmuck: OK.  HDD-less :)
[06:13] <learn25> anybody can help me setup dhcp on my eth0? i have two NIC eth0 and eth1
[06:13] <learn25> i already downloaded dhcp3-server
[06:13] <likkashot> u want to be a dhcp server
[06:13] <likkashot> ?
[06:13] <learn25> yes
[06:13] <brett> I need some help automatically setting my default gateway at boot.
[06:13] <jbroome> there's lots of webdocs on that if you can't find someone here to help
[06:13] <learn25> and also to share my internet from eth1 to eth0
[06:14] <jbroome> now you're getting into some iptables stuff
[06:14] <learn25> maybe. i'm new to linux. Unlike windows XP u just enable internet sharing and dhcp.
[06:15] <djs> brett: There is a setting in System -> Administration -> Networking.  Does that work?
[06:15] <Twitch> is there anyone in here that would be able to help me set up my voodoo 2 i would really appreciate the help
[06:16] <likkashot> I learned it on fedora 3
[06:16] <likkashot> needed to edit the dhcpd file
[06:16] <learn25> how?
[06:16] <learn25> and what will be the settings
[06:16] <learn25> ?
[06:16] <likkashot> u know anything about dhcp
[06:16] <jbroome> learn25: have you tried searching for dhcpd docs at all?
[06:17] <learn25> nope
[06:17] <likkashot> theres always a template file to copy from
[06:17] <likkashot> you need to configure scopes etc
[06:17] <learn25> but i can edit any conf file. i know how to use gedit
[06:18] <likkashot> if we were I week later I could help you
[06:18] <likkashot> I installed this 15 min ago
[06:18] <likkashot> and im trying to get mine running
[06:18] <likkashot> this=ubuntu
[06:19] <fivre> hey, If I've mounted a logical partition, how do I access the exteded partitions within it?
[06:19] <learn25> any website/url that can help me about linux/ubuntu dhcp and internet connection sharing?
[06:20] <likkashot> just a sec
[06:20] <jbroome> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=internet+connection+sharing+linux&btnG=Search
[06:20] <jbroome> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dhcpd+linux&btnG=Google+Search
[06:20] <likkashot> http://ubuntuguide.org/#generalnotes
[06:21] <likkashot> oh I rebember that stuff now
[06:21] <likkashot> oh what fun
[06:21] <learn25> i tried ubuntuguide.org dhcp server setup but failed to start.
[06:21] <likkashot> was final project in class :)
[06:22] <likkashot> its manual
[06:22] <kakalto> how can I benchmark hdd speeds on a fat32 filesystem?
[06:22] <kakalto> apparently hdparm isn't a good tool for benchmarking
[06:22] <likkashot> u need to edit the file then restart the service
[06:24] <kcburyshaker> hello
[06:24] <kcburyshaker> im having a prob getting java installed   what do i need to do
[06:24] <kcburyshaker> im brand new to ubuntu
[06:25] <djs> !ubuntuguide
[06:25] <ubotu> well, ubuntuguide is a helpful guide for new users located at http://ubuntuguide.org
[06:25] <kcburyshaker> ok
[06:25] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> kcburyshaker: better to use the instructions at ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[06:25] <kcburyshaker> ok
[06:25] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> ubuntuguide is not always accurate
[06:26] <kakalto> anyone?
[06:26] <djs> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: typing in your sleep? :)
[06:26] <likkashot> nalioth is that concerning nvidia drivers
[06:26] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> djs: yes, sleeptyping is common among nerds
[06:26] <likkashot> cause I coudnt do everything they say
[06:26] <djs> lol
[06:27] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> likkashot: i've found more often than not, the ubuntuguide doesnt work. (confirmed by the numbers of peeps in here complaining about it)
[06:27] <likkashot> ok cool
[06:27] <likkashot> ill use the other page then
[06:27] <djs> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: understood.  I'll stop referring to it then.
[06:28] <brett> I've had pretty good luck with the few things I've pulled from ubuntuguide...
[06:29] <djs> As have I.  I've also admired it as a very succinct piece of documentation.
[06:30] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> djs: there is SOME good info there, just not enough for me (personally) to recommend it
[06:30] <levander> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: it didn't work for you? or just for other people who may very well have been clueless? i've never had problem with that guide personally
[06:30] <poningru> guys any way I can test the sound input
[06:31] <poningru> I am trying to use a mic
[06:31] <poningru> but it is not working
[06:31] <likkashot> man I dont know where to find stuff on that page :(
[06:32] <likkashot> think im to tired
[06:32] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> levander: most of the stuff on installing found at ubuntuguide is useless for ppc and amd64 users
[06:32] <levander> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: maybe, i wouldn't know, i use x86
[06:32] <likkashot> wheres the nvidia stuff
[06:32] <r0d> what program can make .iso's from cd's
[06:32] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> levander: correct, but ubuntu has many other arches available
[06:33] <inc595> crossover office rox
[06:33] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> likkashot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java
[06:34] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> woops
[06:34] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> i'm tired too
[06:35] <likkashot> ?
[06:35] <djs> likkashot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:36] <likkashot> ahh
[06:36] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> djs: thx
[06:36] <djs> np :)
[06:36] <djs> !nvidia
[06:36] <ubotu> nvidia is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:37] <djs> !ati
[06:37] <ubotu> djs: I give up, what is it?
[06:37] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> !java
[06:37] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, nalioth_zZzZzZzZ
[06:37] <djs> ubotu: ati is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:37] <ubotu> okay, djs
[06:37] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> !Java
[06:37] <ubotu> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: I give up, what is it?
[06:37] <djs> !ati
[06:37] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> ubotu: java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java
[06:37] <ubotu> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ: okay
[06:37] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> ubotu: Java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java
[06:38] <ubotu> i already had it that way, nalioth_zZzZzZzZ
[06:38] <djs> ubotu: So you're case sensitive eh.
[06:38] <ubotu> djs: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:38] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> if the bot answered correctly, the dumb box of silicon would answer up when !restricted was put into chan
[06:39] <kakalto> !nvidia
[06:39] <ubotu> [nvidia]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:39] <likkashot> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:39] <likkashot> hmm
[06:40] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> !java
[06:40] <ubotu> somebody said java was https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java
[06:42] <levander> anybody has tried prelinking their system? i looked at it, scares the hell outta me, talking about breaking the package manager....
[06:42] <poningru> can someone help?
[06:42] <poningru> problem with my mic
[06:42] <poningru> wont record
[06:42] <nemik> good evening everyone!
[06:43] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> levander: prelinking is what exactly? i'm ready for a horror story
[06:45] <djs> poningru: One trap I'm aware of is that the input volume for the Microphone is set at minimum by default.  Have you checked that?
[06:45] <poningru> hmm how do you change that?
[06:47] <djs> (Gnome Menu) Applications -> Sound & Video -> Volume Control -> File -> Change Device -> Alsa Mixer -> Capture
[06:47] <DanielC> Question: Where can I configure GDM? I want to set it to auto-login.
[06:48] <djs> DanielC: (Gnome Menu) -> System -> Administration -> Login Screen Setup
[06:48] <likkashot> any of u have a page to optimize my vid card
[06:49] <parabolize> likkashot: use coolbits
[06:49] <DanielC> djs: Thanks. I can't believe I didn't see it.
[06:49] <likkashot> yers but how
[06:49] <djs> np :)
[06:49] <likkashot> witch file i hva to mod
[06:49] <parabolize> do you have the nvidia 7664 driver installed?
[06:49] <fivre> Is there any way for me to map Ctrl+T to my central mouse button?
[06:50] <likkashot> whats the command to see wich I have
[06:50] <parabolize> nvidia-settings
[06:51] <likkashot> ok
[06:51] <likkashot> 1.0-7174
[06:52] <parabolize> you need 7664 to use coolbits
[06:52] <likkashot> where from
[06:52] <likkashot> the nvidia site>?
[06:52] <parabolize> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7664.html
[06:52] <parabolize> yes
[06:53] <likkashot> and they are ok and all
[06:53] <parabolize> read the readme for how to install the driver and use coolbits.
[06:54] <r0d> what program can i use to  make .iso's from cd's
[06:54] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> r0d try gnomebaker, graveman or k3b
[06:55] <r0d> thx
[06:55] <parabolize> likkashot: be warned, you will need to reinstall the driver ever time you update the kernel.
[06:55] <parabolize> I say gnomebaker
[06:56] <xquizit> Hi, i'm having trouble making a MySQL database for coppermine. When I use mysqlcc to make a new database I keep getting "ERROR 1045: Access denied for user..."
[06:59] <likkashot> hey should I install the drivers in init 3?
[06:59] <xquizit> likkashot, yeah install in init3
[07:00] <likkashot> ok
[07:00] <parabolize> just hit ctrl+alt=f1
[07:00] <parabolize> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[07:01] <xquizit> so anyone know how to make a mysql database?
[07:01] <smott> how do i tell the ubuntu install cd to boot off hda5? linux root=/dev/hda5?
[07:03] <likkashot> got no cc or gcc
[07:03] <likkashot> and no matching kernel
[07:03] <zyth> likkashot, apt-get install gcc ?
[07:03] <parabolize> likkashot hold on
[07:03] <likkashot> this is going great  heheh
[07:04] <xquizit> likkashot, apt-get install build-essential
[07:04] <parabolize> and your kernel headers
[07:04] <fivre> can I set a command to a timer?
[07:05] <likkashot> ok done
[07:05] <fivre> So that I could poff around 2:30?
[07:05] <parabolize> likkashot: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=197594&postcount=15
[07:05] <parabolize> read that
[07:06] <djs> fivre: Have a look at the "at" command
[07:06] <wolverian> or crontab
[07:10] <xquizit> anyone here know how to use copperming?
[07:10] <fivre> ooh
[07:10] <zyth> ooh
[07:10] <zyth> that was painful
[07:10] <fivre> pretty netsplit
[07:11] <evilgod69> xquizit: i think those questions might be more appropriate for a mysql channel
[07:11] <zyth> yay I am getting Neverwinter Nights tommorow
[07:11] <xquizit> evilgod69, ok
[07:12] <paxon> anyone using lexmark 1150 printer?
[07:12] <ac_> so, i'm having problems installing off the cd -- i'm failing at the base-install stage because it can't read a package off the disc. is there any way to change it to a network install?
[07:13] <ac_> it did detect my network correctly, and i was able to get an IP address via dhcp
[07:13] <ac_> ifconfig shows that eth0 seems to be working
[07:14] <fivre> Lions and Tigers and 22 seconds of lag OH MY!
[07:17] <jorgp2> is upgrading to breezy stable yet?
[07:17] <bob2> no
[07:17] <jorgp2> or stable enough to use
[07:18] <fivre> what is the syntax of the at command
[07:18] <fivre> ?
[07:18] <jorgp2> what is the biggest instabilities?
[07:19] <parabolize> jorgp2: the #ubuntu topic has not changed. ;) I haven't tried it but just from reading its not a good idea.
[07:19] <jorgp2> man at
[07:19] <ac_> can someone give me the md5sum for libssl0.9.7mumble for the 5.04 install?
[07:19] <jorgp2> yeah I seen the topic
[07:20] <ac_> i don't know why my install claims that the file is corrupt
[07:20] <bob2> it's not unstable in a crashy sense
[07:20] <bob2> it's just changing a lot
[07:20] <bob2> and things will break
[07:20] <bob2> ac_: you can find that yourself. apt-cache show libssl0.9.7blah.
[07:20] <jorgp2> any different then debian sid?
[07:21] <bob2> yes, more broken
[07:22] <ac_> bob2: i am in the middle of trying to install, and it is complaining that the deb is corrupt on my cdrom
[07:22] <ac_> i want to verify that it actually is....
[07:22] <bob2> ac_: then run the "verify cd" step of the install
[07:22] <bob2> or check the md5sum of the whole cd
[07:22] <bob2> etc
[07:22] <Slomp> Hi. I don't understand why anyone likes Ubuntu. I checked it out, and it's like exactly the same as ten other GUI Linux's. What's the catch?
[07:22] <bob2> wow, what a charming attitude
[07:22] <bob2> if you don't understand, continue using whatever you like
[07:23] <parabolize> Slomp: lots of distros use gnome. ;)
[07:23] <Slomp> Please explain what's cool about this. Ubuntu seems to be the biggest Linux distro right now.. People are all buzzing about it. but I downloaded it and it's... uh, just the same as the others. I don't understand, guys. Please explain to me.
[07:23] <ac_> bob2: well, "verify cd" is failing on my, but this is a pressed copy of ubuntu; not something i burned myself...
[07:23] <poningru> Slomp: because of hardware detection
[07:23] <bob2> Slomp: if you don't see what's special, that's fine; use whatever you want
[07:24] <bob2> this isn't an advocacy channel, tho
[07:24] <Slomp> Fedora detected all my hardware.. What's better about Ubuntu's hw detection?
[07:24] <poningru> also the configuration stuff is much easier
[07:24] <bob2> ac_: that sucks, but it does mean the cd (or drive, I guess) is screwed
[07:24] <parabolize> Slomp: its a up to date debian that doesn't crash.
[07:24] <Lafitte-> Slomp,  fedora didnt do mine but ubuntu did
[07:24] <poningru> heh just because yours was detected doesnt mean jack
[07:24] <Slomp> What's wrong with just plain Debian?
[07:24] <HrdwrBoB> parabolize: debian doesn't crash either
[07:25] <bob2> nothing's wrong with Debian
[07:25] <kestas> our slogan is 'if you use another linux youre not human'
[07:25] <parabolize> sid crashs and burns...
[07:25] <poningru> have you tried the dev
[07:25] <kestas> or something to that effect
[07:25] <bob2> parabolize: no, it doesn't
[07:25] <HrdwrBoB> Slomp: lots of politics, the other ports hold it back, it's quite slow on some packages
[07:25] <HrdwrBoB> etc etc
[07:25] <JohnnyRotten> how do you change the font size for the menu where it says applications places systems and time
[07:25] <Lafitte-> Slomp,  what is your mission here ?
[07:25] <fivre> ok, I keep getting the "Garbled Time" message from at
[07:25] <poningru> yeah maybe I should stop feeding the troll
[07:25] <bob2> yeah
[07:26] <HrdwrBoB> fivre: how are you usingit
[07:26] <djs> ac_: from earlier it sounds like you've got a partial install though.  With networking.  Correct?
[07:26] <HrdwrBoB> fivre: it's in 24hr time
[07:26] <HrdwrBoB> eg: 5:30 am
[07:26] <Slomp> Does it use the hardware detection from Gnoppix?
[07:26] <HrdwrBoB> 0530
[07:26] <bob2> Slomp: no
[07:26] <fivre> [1]  <djs> ac_: from earlier it sounds like you've got a partial install though.  With networking.  Correct?
[07:26] <fivre> weird
[07:26] <Slomp> Where did the hw detection come from?
[07:26] <bob2> Slomp: except in the sense that modern gnoppix is ubuntu
[07:26] <fivre> at poff 12:30am
[07:26] <ac_> djs: well, at various times,i've been able to make  as far as attempting to install the base-system, where it then pukes on libssl
[07:27] <ac_> djs: a quick google shows that you can't do a network install of ubuntu
[07:27] <JohnnyRotten> does anyone know how you change the font size for the menu where it says applications places systems and time
[07:27] <fivre> puting it in that format gets the same error
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> fivre: that's never going to work :)
[07:27] <fivre> at poff 1230
[07:27] <fivre> parse error. Last token seen: poff
[07:27] <fivre> Garbled time
[07:27] <Slomp> Ok, why are people so excited about Ubuntu?
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> fivre: try echo poff| at 1230
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> or at 1230
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> poff
[07:27] <Lafitte-> JohnnyRotten, isnt that the theme setting ?
[07:27] <HrdwrBoB> ctrl+d
[07:28] <bob2> Slomp: if you don't understand, that's fine; continue using whatever it is that you use.
[07:28] <bob2> Slomp: this channel isn't here to convince you
[07:28] <Slomp> bob2: I'm not asking for your negative rhetoric. I'm asking these people to show me the way.
[07:28] <HrdwrBoB> Slomp: ubuntu is shiny.
[07:28] <bob2> for god's sake
[07:28] <Slomp> bob2: Dude, you're one of those people who attacks others.. take a chill pill, let me find out what's cool about Ubuntu
[07:29] <bob2> who am I attacking?
[07:29] <Slomp> Me.
[07:29] <JohnnyRotten> Lafitte-, theme setting where? i dont see anything under theme or under fonts that changes it
[07:29] <Slomp> Anyways.
[07:29] <bob2> no, i'm telling you to go away
[07:29] <Lafitte-> JohnnyRotten,  let me check
[07:29] <pepsi> libx11-6 is pissing me off :(
[07:29] <bob2> that's not "attacking"
[07:29] <Slomp> bob2: Stop reading what I have to say, oK? Thank you.
[07:29] <Slomp> HwdwrBoB: What's better about Ubuntu than Fedora or SuSE or Mandriva?
[07:29] <Lafitte-> bob2, dicontinue his attendance here
[07:29] <Lafitte-> grin
[07:30] <Lafitte-> hes lucky
[07:30] <brett> Can anyone help me set my 'default gateway device' so that I don't have to manually set it every time I boot?
[07:30] <bob2> brett: it didn't ask you during the install?
[07:30] <HrdwrBoB> Slomp: lots of things
[07:30] <Slomp> HrdwrBoB: tell me please!
[07:30] <Lafitte-> JohnnyRotten,  let me load Ubuntu real quick   i was in diff os
[07:31] <parabolize> Slomp: I have a bad history with rpm.
[07:31] <HrdwrBoB> Slomp: primarily: the large available software combined with the 'just works' ness
[07:31] <jorgp2> hmm, where did libmesa-glu-dev go?
[07:31] <djs> ac_: If networking is working you could try editing /etc/apt/sources.list, commenting out the "dev cdrom" line, apt-get update, apt-get install ubuntu-base
[07:31] <HrdwrBoB> it's designed to be used by users rather than sysadmins
[07:31] <JDahl> Slomp, why does it have to better than other distro? Isn't it enough some people like it and find it useful?
[07:31] <bob2> brett: please don't /msg people
[07:31] <ac_> djs: ooh, i'll give that a shot
[07:31] <Slomp> Is Ubuntu designed to use Synaptic?
[07:32] <ac_> uh, but where is vi? :)
[07:32] <bob2> brett: I don't know about the gui tools, the correct fix would be adding a gateway line in /etc/network/interfaces
[07:32] <bob2> ac_: it's not on the install disk
[07:32] <ac_> hm... a combination of rm and cat should probably do the trick
[07:32] <flankk> Slomp, yeah, it's basically debian with synaptic, more recent packages, and a friendly user base.
[07:32] <bob2> well, you had sed and nano
[07:32] <parabolize> Slomp: .deb can be done with dpkg or aptitude or Synaptic.
[07:32] <bob2> flankk: except debian has synaptic too
[07:33] <Slomp> So Synaptic is the primary package tool, the one you're supposed to use.. for Ubuntu?
[07:33] <flankk> bob2, did i say it didn't?
[07:33] <ac_> oh, nano... ok that'll work
[07:33] <bob2> and had it long before ubuntu existed
[07:33] <poningru> slomp: can we take this discussion else where
[07:33] <flankk> Slomp, it was chosen to be included, to be more 'user-friendly'
[07:33] <poningru> this is a help channel
[07:33] <brett> bob2: I think we're not talking about the same thing.  I'm not talking about my default gateway (IP address), I'm talking about the default network interface (in my case wlan0)
[07:33] <Lafitte-> JohnnyRotten,  ok   let  me look fo rya
[07:33] <Slomp> Ok, well, for instance.. if I use Fedora they'll say USE YUM
[07:33] <Slomp> Ubuntu is USE SYNAPTIC?
[07:34] <JohnnyRotten> thanks
[07:34] <flankk> gah
[07:34] <bob2> Slomp: no, it's "If you like pointy clicky gui tools, use synaptic.  If you prefer the command line, use aptitude."
[07:34] <parabolize> Slomp: sure if you want
[07:34] <asparagui> attemping to troubleshoot a xfree problem on a new install...is there a way to force ubuntu to boot to console?
[07:34] <bob2> brett: whichever interface has the gateway line in /etc/network/interfaces is the default interface
[07:34] <bob2> (by definition)
[07:35] <flankk> Slomp, if you've used debian, and you like it.. then imo. you will enjoy ubuntu as a desktop solution.
[07:35] <poningru> slomp go into #ubuntuforums
[07:35] <JDahl> flankk, what do you mean "chosen to be included"? The difference between Ubuntu and Debian Unstable are not that big
[07:35] <flankk> JDahl, hah
[07:35] <poningru> I will be more than happy to let you know there
[07:35] <flankk> JDahl, then you've just proven my point, no?
[07:35] <Slomp> How come you can't "su" in Ubuntu?
[07:35] <brett> bob2: It should be that way, yes, but it's not working that way for me.
[07:36] <JDahl> flankk, maybe I am just a bit slow, but you seemed to suggest that Ubuntu included packages not found in Debian to make it more userfriendly
[07:36] <flankk> Slomp, it is desktop-oriented for the end-user.. sudo su if you must
[07:36] <flankk> JDahl, not at all
[07:36] <Slomp> flankk: I don't understand.. I've been using su since I was a teenager. Why can't I su?
[07:36] <bob2> Slomp: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:36] <bob2> Slomp: you can of course su if you want to
[07:37] <flankk> Slomp, i already answered you.. sudo su
[07:37] <bob2> brett: paste your /etc/network/interfaces to #flood
[07:37] <gpd> Slomp: sudo -s
[07:37] <Slomp> Ok, I'm not attacking or anything, but when I installed Ubuntu last week, i removed it cause the Su command didn't work
[07:38] <Slomp> that made an impression on me
[07:38] <poningru> dude what did I just say?
[07:38] <flankk> omg..
[07:38] <bob2> Slomp: the installer explains all this to you
[07:38] <bob2> ignoring it seems a little silly
[07:38] <Slomp> I didnt see that, because I didnt need to do anything in the installer really
[07:38] <Slomp> it was like a 1 step install
[07:38] <bob2> this is also in the FAQ
[07:38] <Lafitte-> JohnnyRotten, i found system/font
[07:39] <brett> bob2: done
[07:39] <Lafitte-> JohnnyRotten,  there are all the font adjustments there
[07:39] <Slomp> well my friend uninstalled it as well cause of no Su
[07:39] <Slomp> just letting you guys know
[07:39] <bob2> that's pretty stupid
[07:39] <jorgp2> Slomp: what's the big deal with su?
[07:39] <Lafitte-> Slomp,  my Su works fine
[07:39] <bob2> brett: hrm, ok
[07:40] <Slomp> he called me up asking what's wrong with Su
[07:40] <bob2> brett: I think commenting out the last 3 lines will fix it
[07:40] <Lafitte-> Slomp,  SU might not work  if root didnt have password  ;)      set it it works
[07:40] <brett> bob2: actually... someone suggested that would solve my problem!  so, it doesn't work either way.
[07:40] <Slomp> Lafitte- root does have a pass, we just didn't know to type sudo su
[07:40] <Lafitte-> Slomp,  dont need sudo
[07:40] <bob2> Slomp: if root has a password, "su" will work fine
[07:40] <bob2> if you didn't set one, su will obviously not work
[07:41] <Lafitte-> Slomp,  can su just fine
[07:41] <Slomp> hm.
[07:41] <JohnnyRotten> that changed some fonts i wanted but my menu fonts are still way too big
[07:41] <flankk> Slomp, the root account is disabled by default, like it says in the installer. you can either 'sudo su' or enable the root account, up to you.
[07:41] <Slomp> I get it.
[07:41] <Lafitte-> JohnnyRotten,  is all i can find as well   other then choosing different theme  and the use advanced to edit some menu stuff
[07:42] <Slomp> Ok, that's a little wierd, but not bad.
[07:42] <Lafitte-> brb     baby needs me
[07:42] <bob2> brett: well, that should bring it up for you, I don't know why it wouldn't work
[07:42] <bob2> brett: maybe someone on the user list might know
[07:42] <Slomp> OK, the Ubuntu installer didn't ask me if I wanted development tools. it just installed. How do I "select all the "base" development tools" ?
[07:42] <Slomp> Without installing them -all- ?
[07:42] <Slomp> I got no GCC
[07:43] <Lafitte-> Slomp,  Ubuntu is LInux for Humans    not guru for say only     so root was changed around a bit
[07:43] <fabbione> Slomp: apt-get install build-essential
[07:43] <bob2> Slomp: install the build-essential package
[07:43] <GNULinuxer> Slomp, apt-get install build-essential
[07:43] <bob2> Slomp: this is also in the FAQ
[07:43] <brett> bob2: The interface is brought up (sorta?) but it doesn't work until I set the 'default gateway device' to 'wlan0' in the GUI tool
[07:44] <JohnnyRotten> bob2 do you know how to make the fonts in the menu in xchat and where the time is diplayed and applications places system is?
[07:44] <Lafitte-> Slomp,  there is an option to select packages later if you do a server install  then redo the setup it will ask what typ eyou want
[07:44] <bob2> brett: I don't know what the gui tool does, unfortunately
[07:44] <brett> bob2: neither do I ;]   Thanks for giving it a whirl though
[07:45] <Lafitte-> Slomp,  i found it to run better to let ubuntu handle it
[07:45] <GNULinuxer> bob2, where is the Ubuntu FAQ?
[07:45] <Slomp> Ok, I'm reading the FAQ
[07:45] <bob2> JohnnyRotten: I'd assume one of the system -> preferences ->fonts options does it
[07:45] <bob2> blah
[07:45] <bob2> someone took it out of the topic
[07:46] <Lafitte-> Slomp,  also got www.ubuntuguide.org  and it will tell you how to setup root password and all the stuff
[07:46] <JohnnyRotten> i tried that didnt help :( the ones i wanted changed are still too big
[07:47] <bob2> GNULinuxer: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/faqfolder_view
[07:47] <JohnnyRotten> it looks like its using monospace 10 still or 12 and i have it set to 9
[07:47] <GNULinuxer> bob2, got it
[07:47] <JohnnyRotten> and a different font
[07:47] <JohnnyRotten> i tried restarting gnome also
[07:49] <sith__> hi
[07:49] <cthulfuego> Why do i only get russian web pages when I look for a chantily cream recipe?
[07:49] <sith__> some questions, here?
[07:50] <alvaro_> hola
[07:50] <sith__> espanol
[07:50] <alvaro_> hi
[07:50] <sith__> hola
[07:50] <alvaro_> what is the marillar and backportsrepositors
[07:50] <sith__> oye de que parte eres?
[07:50] <alvaro_> chile
[07:50] <alvaro_> y tu?
[07:51] <sith__> sabes de linux
[07:51] <sith__> ?
[07:51] <sith__> usa
[07:51] <alvaro_> si algo
[07:51] <sith__> mexicano
[07:51] <alvaro_> a ok
[07:51] <KarlosII> what's the diff between sata and ata, is it noticeable?
[07:51] <sith__> me podrias ayudar
[07:51] <alvaro_> oye q son los repositorios marillat
[07:51] <GNULinuxer> KarlosII, yes
[07:51] <alvaro_> en que
[07:51] <jorgp2> is there a list of repos mirrors?
[07:51] <synd_> you theres a #ubuntu_es
[07:51] <cthulfuego> !es
[07:51] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[07:51] <alvaro_> KarlosII,
[07:51] <synd_> yo*
[07:51] <synd_> jorgp2: yes
[07:52] <sith__> tnx dude
[07:52] <cthulfuego> KarlosII: There are different connectors and cables. sata has a one-cable-one-drive type setup. Speed of SATA250 vs ATA133 is about the same.
[07:52] <alvaro_> KarlosII,  the diference is the tecnology.... the sata are better
[07:52] <synd_> jorgp2: ubuntuguide.com/#extrarepositories
[07:52] <sith__> alvaro c u there
[07:52] <sith__> plz
[07:52] <alvaro_> dale
[07:52] <alvaro_> cual es tu duda
[07:52] <GNULinuxer> cthulfuego, speed is same?
[07:52] <KarlosII> cthulfuego, will I ntice it?
[07:53] <cthulfuego> GNULinuxer: According to hdparm, yes.
[07:53] <sith__> intallar un vga drive
[07:53] <GNULinuxer> cthulfuego, hmm
[07:53] <sith__> how?
[07:53] <cthulfuego> KarlosII: What do you have now and what are you planning to buy?
[07:53] <alvaro_> if you can buy a sata :)
[07:53] <snivl> How do I installed package-sets using Synaptic... Like build-essentials?
[07:53] <synd_> jorgp2: i mean ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[07:53] <alvaro_> sith__, cual en especifico
[07:53] <cthulfuego> GNULinuxer: I have 2 80GB 8MB cache WD drives. One ATA133, one SATA. They both bench at ~ 55Mb/sec via hdparm.
[07:53] <anacron> speed is not same, you can notice it copying large files to other drives, of course both must be sata to make it work
[07:54] <alvaro_> sith__, que tarjeta tienes
[07:54] <GNULinuxer> cthulfuego, i see
[07:54] <anacron> cthulfuego: maybe in linux they are same speed?
[07:54] <cthulfuego> anacron: What else would I run on them?
[07:54] <sith__> sis 630
[07:54] <alvaro_> What is the marillat repository? and the backport?
[07:54] <sith__> on board vga
[07:54] <cthulfuego> !restricted
[07:54] <ubotu> well, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:54] <biker4444> does imac g5 work with ubuntu?
[07:55] <alvaro_> mmm me parece que con el driver "sis" vasta
[07:55] <cthulfuego> anacron: Check the restricted url.
[07:55] <alvaro_> que usas xorg o xfree?
[07:55] <cthulfuego> biker4444: I will check with a livecd tomorrow :-)
[07:55] <cthulfuego> biker4444: I expect it'll be fine, though.
[07:55] <sith__> oh osea que ya no tengo que installar otro
[07:55] <jorgp2> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg/ is missing xlibmesa-glu-dev
[07:55] <anacron> cthulfuego: windows?, but i don't say you should use it
[07:55] <brett> bob2: I think wlan0 does eventually come up automatically, just takes a long time (1-2min) to kick in.
[07:55] <alvaro_> depende si lo soporta tu kernel
[07:55] <biker4444> cthul: im having much trouble. i saw in the forums there is a known yaboot bug
[07:55] <alvaro_> pero lo mas seguro es que si
[07:56] <cthulfuego> anacron: Windows is slow full stop.
[07:56] <HrdwrBoB> alvaro_: #ubuntu-es
[07:56] <KarlosII> cthulfuego, 120 GIG 8MB ATA, and I'm looking at 200 GIG SATA, could also get a 200 GIG ATA 16 MB
[07:56] <KarlosII> getting them new for about $100 each
[07:56] <cthulfuego> KarlosII: The 16MB cache would make it nice and snappy.
[07:56] <sith__> ese es my problema sou nuevo en linux y no conosco sobre el sistema
[07:57] <KarlosII> ah :)
[07:57] <alvaro_> ubuntu-es is die
[07:57] <sith__> y como configurar mi kernel
[07:57] <snivl> How do I install build-essential using Synaptic?
[07:57] <cthulfuego> If you both started speaking spanish there, it would be alive.
[07:57] <snivl> And how do I get a list of the other "packs" ?
[07:57] <cthulfuego> snivl: Right click build-essential and choose 'Install'.
[07:57] <sith__> lol
[07:57] <biker4444> cthulfuego: is imac g5 supposed to work with ubuntu?
[07:58] <KarlosII> cthulfuego, really :)
[07:58] <sith__> te veo alla
[07:58] <KarlosII> cthulfuego, what would you recommend?
[07:58] <snivl> Where do I see build essentials?
[07:58] <alvaro_> sith__, lo mas probable es que lo soporte, modifica el archivo /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... busca driver y modificalo por "sis"
[07:58] <snivl> cthulfuego: Where is thta?
[07:58] <cthulfuego> biker4444: As far as I'm aware, yes. I will be near one tomorrow evening, Australian time. I can check then.
[07:59] <biker4444> cthulfuego: much thanks
[07:59] <KarlosII> cthulfuego, I gues maybe I'll go with ata
[07:59] <biker4444> anyone else have any idea about imac g5 support?
[07:59] <cthulfuego> biker4444: Did you check the Ubuntu website ands google?
[07:59] <sith__> gracias
[07:59] <alvaro_> biker4444, why do you like install linux in a mac? I think that the mac os is great...
[08:00] <snivl> Oh, its a package is all
[08:00] <snivl> I see
[08:00] <cthulfuego> alvaro_: MacOS X is very slow compared to linux.
[08:00] <biker4444> alvaro: i love mac os x, got off win xp a few months ago. linux is somethin good to be able to use
[08:01] <alvaro_> I don't think that this difference is significative
[08:02] <Cooner750> um; hi :)
[08:02] <synd_> MacOS X is the best OS on the planet, IMHO.
[08:02] <Cooner750> I happened to have a quick question
[08:03] <synd_> Cooner750: go ahead
[08:03] <carthik> Cooner750, so you odnt any more ? :)
[08:03] <KarlosII> cthulfuego, if I bought a pci sata card would I notice a diff?
[08:03] <cthulfuego> KarlosII: I doubt it.
[08:03] <mcking> synd_: depends on what you are doing with it
[08:03] <biker4444> linux is what i used when linux wouldnt boot-knoppix live cd for a few months. truly, it is fun. then i got mac os and loved it, especially for video editing, but im off topic
[08:03] <cyphase> hey everyone
[08:03] <KarlosII> so diff with sata card and with sata built into mobo
[08:03] <alvaro_> synd, depend the use.. for a desktop I think that is the best
[08:03] <sith__> sup
[08:04] <synd_> cthulfuego: of course, Tiger wont run very well on an older G3.
[08:04] <mcking> if i had an extra $500 i might get a mac mini
[08:04] <sith__> lol
[08:04] <sith__> me 2
[08:05] <Cooner750> Ok. Windows XP is installed on main drive (120GB; 2 partitions (one for XP and one for recovery console). Main drive stays as is. I have a Maxtor external 120GB. There are currently 2 partitions on it. One is the main (holds backups, etc...) and the other is about 2GB that I had a older linux distro on
[08:05] <sith__> or save it for my ps3 n xbox360
[08:05] <Cooner750> I was wondering if there was a way Ubuntu could just be extracted to that second partition and be booted from there (computer can boot from USB)?
[08:05] <mcking> or an extra $700 for a pegasos
[08:06] <synd_> cthulfuego: but, older versions of OS X, the ones designed with the G3's in mind, will run fine. I admit, Linux sure would run faster, but theres a bunch of other factors than just speed.
[08:06] <synd_> I'm not here to start a OS war, I'm just saying I think Mac OS is the best all around OS. It takes advantages from both the Win and Linux world
[08:06] <sith__> I can't find my firefox icon ,....help
[08:07] <likkashot> Cooners  something like part magic??
[08:07] <biker4444> apple going to x86 - good or bad for linux?
[08:07] <Cooner750> it dosent let you apply changes
[08:07] <Cooner750> it's a trial. $50 for full version
[08:07] <synd_> biker4444: bad, imo.
[08:07] <sith__> (nuwbb)
[08:08] <mcking> Cooner750: if the drive is plugged in while installing ubuntu, just tell it to use the /dev/sda2 partition, and install grub.  it can dual boot windows of the internal and ubuntu off the usb
[08:08] <bob2> anyway, mac os is off-topic here
[08:08] <rob^> thanx bob2
[08:08] <synd_> blah
[08:08] <bob2> try #macosx if you all want to continue gushing ;-p
[08:09] <Cooner750> mcking; thanks. I'll just try messing around with it and see what I can do (thats how i've gotten past distros to work :p)
[08:10] <Cooner750> unfortuneatly (spelling?) my laptop is only a 400Mhz w/ 4GB HD and dosent run the live cd too well. I want to keep windows on it so there would probably not be enough room anyway
[08:10] <ciocanel> how can I change gnome-btdownload's port?
[08:10] <synd_> Cooner750: the live cd isnt recommended for hardware thats a bit old
[08:10] <snivl> I'm trying to install the C-header-files that would usually be in /usr/src/linux/include or something like that... but there's various different packages and they have different naming conventions. "Linux-headers" -- none are installed. There's Linux-Headers 2.6.10-5, but then it says latest version is 2.6.10-34.2 .. however, there's also 'Linux Kernel Headers' which is 2.5.999-test7-bk17
[08:10] <snivl> it's very confusing.
[08:10] <mcking> ciocanel: edit the .desktop file (i would imagine)
[08:11] <bob2> snivl: sudo aptitude insstall linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:11] <snivl> bob2: What's different about Linux-headers and Linux-Kernel-Headers ???
[08:11] <ciocanel> mcking, I can't find it...
[08:11] <bob2> linux-kernel-headers are something entirely different (which the description does point out)
[08:11] <snivl> oh
[08:12] <mcking> ciocanel: the .desktop file or the command?
[08:12] <bob2> they're only there for glibc to use
[08:12] <ciocanel> mcking, the .desktop file
[08:12] <snivl> So, since I am running 2.6.10-5-386, I need the 386 headers?
[08:12] <snivl> How do I switch easily to a -686 kernel ?
[08:12] <bob2> 16:11:14           bob2 | snivl: sudo aptitude insstall linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[08:12] <bob2> that will install the correct ones
[08:12] <Cooner750> isn't there a way to point the windows boot menu to Ubuntu ini?
[08:13] <bob2> to switch, if you really do have a 686 cpu, install linux-686
[08:13] <snivl> I have a P4
[08:13] <bob2> Cooner750: yes, but it's fiddly; letting grub do it is way less hassle
[08:13] <Cooner750> I was just wondering :)
[08:13] <mcking> Cooner750: you can point the windows boot menu to the raw ubuntu partition, and install grub to that partition, but grub is much nicer
[08:14] <Cooner750> thanks :)
[08:15] <snivl> bob2: Can I uninstall Linux-386 ?
[08:15] <bob2> yes, but that won't do anything
[08:15] <bob2> you'd need to remove linux-image-...
[08:15] <snivl> Will Linux-686 make any difference?
[08:16] <bob2> not much
[08:16] <bob2> it does allow you to use nptl, tho, which might help
[08:16] <snivl> What's NPTL?
[08:16] <mcking> snivl: I use -k7 and i do see a speedup
[08:16] <bob2> next generation posix threads; it can make threaded programs run faster
[08:17] <Razor-X> snivl: it does, trust me
[08:17] <Razor-X> I'm using it, and it's quite a bit faster in many ways than Linux-386
[08:18] <GNULinuxer> I have installed mplayer ... but it dosn't work ... IMO, some problem with ALSA
[08:19] <bob2> "doesn't work"?
[08:19] <Cooner750> i'm going to boot from the livecd right now on my pavilion. Are there any IRC clients for Linux (Ubuntu; specifically)?
[08:19] <parabolize> xchat, gaim
[08:19] <GNULinuxer> bob2, i start it, but it gets stuck .... no error messages
[08:19] <bob2> Cooner750: there's 50 000, most of which existed before windows did
[08:19] <bob2> Cooner750: irssi-text is a very nice one
[08:20] <bob2> GNULinuxer: you need to tell us where it gets stuck
[08:20] <bob2> I assume on the alsa-init line
[08:20] <Cooner750> ok
[08:20] <Cooner750> brb. booting livecd ubuntu
[08:20] <parabolize> Cooner750: xchat will be installed and easy to use
[08:20] <zyth> I wish I could make my ubuntu have a nice splash screen instead of the scrolling text
[08:20] <Burgundavia> zyth, coming for breezy, and check out splashy in the forums
[08:20] <Razor-X> cheers! http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/17/0152202
[08:20] <bob2> you can, it's just a huge amount of work for such little gain
[08:21] <zyth> Burgundavia, hmm ok
[08:21] <GNULinuxer> bob2, http://pastebin.com/300760
[08:22] <GNULinuxer> bob2, it is the alsa-init line
[08:22] <bob2> GNULinuxer: mplayer -ao alsa09
[08:22] <cyphase> how do you change ID3 tags in ubuntu
[08:22] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer: a nice thing to remember is to pipe the output to grep so that you don't have to worry about reading lots
[08:23] <GNULinuxer> cyphase, easytag
[08:23] <cyphase> nvm, got it
[08:23] <Razor-X> saves you the eyesight you'll lose for other things (like Tales of Symphonia ;)
[08:24] <GNULinuxer> bob2, http://pastebin.com/300761
[08:24] <bob2> GNULinuxer: -ao oss, I guess
[08:24] <bob2> if you have esd running, use that
[08:25] <GNULinuxer> bob2, esd is running
[08:25] <GNULinuxer> bob2, esd works!
[08:25] <bob2> then -ao esd
[08:26] <GNULinuxer> bob2, yes
[08:26] <microhaxo> cedega cant run on amd64 kubuntu can it?
[08:26] <bob2> cool
[08:26] <bob2> I wonder if it'll run amd64 windows binaries or not
[08:28] <Razor-X> wow, I think Microsoft actually had an idea here
[08:31] <anatole> can anyone help with vmware? it worked last night, and i did not even restart the comp
[08:31] <liwen[zh_cn] > hello
[08:31] <anatole> i'm trying to power on an xp
[08:32] <cyphase> yea, thats what i found GNULinuxer
[08:32] <anatole> and the error is "Unable to change virtual machine power state: Cannot find a valid peer process to connect to."
[08:32] <bob2> anatole: try asking the vmware company
[08:32] <Slomp> cyphase = cyanphase ?
[08:32] <GNULinuxer> cyphase, found easytag?
[08:32] <bob2> I assume they give you support when you buyt it?
[08:32] <liwen[zh_cn] > when i startx ,,the message "Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a:fbmmx.o""
[08:32] <cyphase> GNULinuxer, i look in synaptic right after i asked
[08:32] <liwen[zh_cn] > help me thx
[08:33] <GNULinuxer> cyphase, i see
[08:34] <liwen[zh_cn] > GNULinuxer can you help me
[08:34] <Slomp> Question. Honestly, what's better about Fedora than Ubuntu? What do you guys think's better about other distro that needs to be improved upon?
[08:35] <GNULinuxer> liwen[zh_cn] , regarding what?
[08:35] <Slomp> to improve Ubuntu
[08:35] <Slomp> ?
[08:36] <liwen[zh_cn] > GNULinuxer: when i startx ,,the message "Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a:fbmmx.o""
[08:36] <zyth> better about fedora...?
[08:36] <zyth> uhm.
[08:36] <GNULinuxer> liwen[zh_cn] , and what happens then?
[08:36] <liwen[zh_cn] > and will take a very long time enter gnome
[08:37] <liwen[zh_cn] > about 3 or 4 minutes to enter gnome
[08:38] <Slomp> Yes. What's better about Fedora?
[08:38] <Slomp> I could ask on #Fedora and they'd all say how much better Fedora is.. but what if I ask, you guys?
[08:39] <zyth> well, I expect most of us will say we prefer ubuntu :{
[08:39] <zyth> :P
[08:39] <zyth> this being #ubuntu and all...
[08:39] <wolverian> I haven't tried Fedora, so I can't really say.
[08:39] <lhb> i changed from fedora to ubuntu
[08:40] <Pengo> whats fedora like?
[08:40] <parabolize> red hat ;P
[08:40] <liwen[zh_cn] > GNULinuxer?can help
[08:41] <GNULinuxer> liwen[zh_cn] , i want to help .... what is your system config?
[08:41] <microhaxo> whats a good video player?
[08:41] <parabolize> xine
[08:41] <synd_> Pengo: Try both. See what you like. They're both Linux so, either way.. youre still ahead of the game
[08:41] <synd_> microhaxo: totem-xine
[08:41] <Pengo> im on ubuntu at the moment
[08:41] <poningru> vlc
[08:42] <parabolize> use gxine or totem-xine for a gui
[08:42] <synd_> Pengo: but theres a reason why ubuntu is #1 on distrowatch.com
[08:42] <poningru> is very goode
[08:42] <poningru> good
[08:42] <Pengo> its the longest time i've ever had a distro installed on my computer
[08:42] <Slomp> Well, I have Fedora and Ubuntu side by side on 2 VM's
[08:42] <Slomp> they're almost the same.
[08:42] <Slomp> Only difference is um, the package system
[08:42] <lhb> its a one disc download
[08:42] <asimismo> Can someone tell me what the kernel version is for Hoary?
[08:42] <bob2> asimismo: 2.6.10
[08:42] <GNULinuxer> asimismo, 2.6.10
[08:42] <mattis> well, and the license
[08:43] <bob2> (with a ton of pateches)
[08:43] <liwen[zh_cn] > Section "Module"
[08:43] <liwen[zh_cn] > 	Load	"bitmap"
[08:43] <liwen[zh_cn] >         #Load	"dbe"
[08:43] <liwen[zh_cn] > 	Load	"ddc"
[08:43] <liwen[zh_cn] > 	#Load	"dri"
[08:43] <liwen[zh_cn] > 	Load	"extmod"
[08:43] <liwen[zh_cn] > 	Load	"freetype"
[08:43] <liwen[zh_cn] > 	Load	"glx"
[08:43] <liwen[zh_cn] > 	Load	"int10"
[08:43] <liwen[zh_cn] > 	Load	"record"
[08:43] <cyphase> you've got to be shitting me...
[08:43] <synd_> liwen[zh_cn] : dont paste
[08:43] <liwen[zh_cn] > 	Load	"type1"
[08:43] <liwen[zh_cn] > 	Load	"vbe"
[08:43] <liwen[zh_cn] > EndSection
[08:43] <asimismo> Thanks. Does 2.6.10 have iteraid?
[08:43] <ws> Green light in A.M. for new projects.  Red light in P.M. for traffic tickets.
[08:43] <cyphase> there aren't any ogg-to-mp3 converters in ubuntu?
[08:43] <bob2> cyphase: sure there are
[08:43] <synd_> cyphase: yeah
[08:44] <parabolize> cyphase: DON"T. rip from wav or don't change
[08:44] <cyphase> ?
[08:44] <cyphase> parabolize, what're you on about?
[08:44] <parabolize> .wav what comes on a music CD
[08:44] <cyphase> i'm not
[08:45] <cyphase> i have an ogg file
[08:45] <cyphase> and i need to change it to mp3
[08:45] <microhaxo> ahh
[08:45] <microhaxo> is there a package with all codecs in it
[08:45] <microhaxo> ?
[08:45] <parabolize> ewww don't do that eather
[08:45] <cyphase> parabolize, unfourtanetly, most mp3 players don't support ogg
[08:45] <synd_> !restricted
[08:45] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:45] <cyphase> (and no, this particular player isn't an ipod)
[08:45] <synd_> microhaxo: go there.
[08:46] <zyth> I have a zen xtra I need to sell
[08:46] <zyth> it doesn't do ogg
[08:46] <zyth> so I must sell.
[08:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, we have a bot now?
[08:46] <robitaille> cyphase,  there was a long thread recently on the mailing list http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-June/037555.html
[08:46] <microhaxo> restricted?
[08:46] <synd_> Kamping_Kaiser: always have.
[08:46] <zyth> !bot
[08:46] <ubotu> zyth: No idea
[08:46] <zyth> !ubotu
[08:46] <ubotu> zyth: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:46] <synd_> zyth: /msg him
[08:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> synd_ oh, whoops :D
[08:46] <zyth> ubotu, you are the #ubuntu bot
[08:46] <ubotu> zyth: what are you talking about?
[08:46] <zyth> lol
[08:46] <zyth> ok, I cease playing with it :)
[08:47] <Cooner750> ok back
[08:47] <Cooner750> For some reason I cannot play audio files
[08:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> has anyone got the backports working? someone wants to know where to point their mirrors.
[08:47] <synd_> microhaxo: yes
[08:48] <zyth> mirrormax...
[08:48] <synd_> Kamping_Kaiser: backports work, but i tend to stay away from it.
[08:48] <zyth> you don't want to update from backports, Kamping_Kaiser
[08:48] <zyth> just make sure you don't :)
[08:48] <Cooner750> I get the error message "There were no decoders found to render the stream."
[08:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm on breezy, but I'll pass the message on :D
[08:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> i just cant seem to get them to download the list, let alone *use* them
[08:49] <robitaille> Cooner750,  trying to play mp3 files?
[08:49] <Cooner750> yes
[08:49] <zyth> Cooner750, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:49] <zyth> if you're using the Music Player
[08:49] <Cooner750> Totem?
[08:49] <zyth> yeah, since it uses gstreamer..
[08:49] <aleksi> is there some good howto you would recomend me, about  remotely using X?
[08:49] <zyth> unless you've installed totem-xine
[08:49] <Cooner750> I could also use Media Player
[08:50] <synd_> aleksi: VNC?
[08:50] <aleksi> je
[08:50] <synd_> je?
[08:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> aleksi, how do you mean, use x remotely?
[08:50] <Pengo> Can someone help me with my terminal the font is in symbols and i never changed anything
[08:51] <Cooner750> I get this error when using "apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad": E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[08:51] <Cooner750> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[08:51] <ottoaim> pengo: on the startup mesages and text login?
[08:51] <aleksi> I would like to be able to use programs that need Xserver from another computer
[08:51] <synd_> Cooner750: sudo it.
[08:51] <Pengo> no when i open it in Gnome
[08:51] <Cooner750> synd_: k
[08:52] <ottoaim> pengo: oh i could recreate that back when i used gentoo and a reboot fixed it.  not sure what would fix your problem, sorry :/
[08:52] <Cooner750> Now I get this: E: Couldn't find package gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:52] <Pengo> I'll try
[08:52] <Pengo> be right back
[08:52] <ottoaim> pengo: tell me if it helps
[08:52] <Pengo> k
[08:52] <synd_> Cooner750: then you need the repositories. you need to edit your sources.list.
[08:52] <zyth> !restricted
[08:52] <ubotu> restricted is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[08:52] <zyth> go there Cooner750
[08:53] <synd_> Cooner750: www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[08:53] <synd_> no, zyth
[08:54] <zyth> synd, eh, same info can be gotten at both as far as that goes.
[08:54] <synd_> he cant get his gstreamer pkg
[08:54] <synd_> due to him not having the right repositories
[08:55] <zyth> he needs to add the hoary-extras, there's a section on that in the restrictedformat page, and no doubt on the link you posted
[08:55] <zyth> *shrug*
[08:55] <IRCMonkey_> newbie help?
[08:56] <zyth> newbie SMASH!
[08:56] <zyth> j/k ;)
[08:56] <parabolize> NEVER!
[08:56] <IRCMonkey_> help? <he asks>
[08:56] <parabolize> what you nedd
[08:56] <zyth> just ask please :)
[08:56] <synd_> IRCMonkey_: sure, what is the problem?
[08:57] <synd_> newbies keep ubuntu going
[08:57] <IRCMonkey_> just installed new ubuntu... after cd pops out/reboot... just get grub prompt... what gives?
[08:57] <Pengo> they're what make the world go around
[08:57] <asparagui> whee.
[08:57] <parabolize> error 18?
[08:57] <IRCMonkey_> yeah
[08:58] <asparagui> k, getting closer to a solution.
[08:58] <parabolize> eww
[08:58] <asparagui> how do i switch to using xorg over xfree?
[08:58] <IRCMonkey_> can you use lilo?
[08:59] <parabolize> error 18 has to do with mbr and your bios. your boot partition was to big
[08:59] <synd_> you can, but grub is what comes with ubuntu.
[08:59] <robitaille> asparagui,  Hoary uses xorg by default.  Warty uses xfree by default
[08:59] <asparagui> hmm.
[08:59] <IRCMonkey_> Im a complete newbie... know nothing about grub/ lilo or linux
[08:59] <asparagui> there goes that brilliant idea.
[08:59] <asparagui> i've got a dvi (sorta) monitor, and it's not getting power on boot.
[08:59] <synd_> IRCMonkey_: then stick with grub
[09:00] <robitaille> asparagui,  which version of Ubuntu do you have right now?
[09:00] <asparagui> 5.04.
[09:00] <zyth> asparagui, then you have xorg
[09:00] <IRCMonkey_> I saw a news story about ubuntu, deletef FC and installed ubuntu... did I make a mistake?
[09:00] <synd_> no
[09:00] <learn25> hi all! :)
[09:01] <IRCMonkey_> xandros is looking good right now
[09:01] <synd_> IRCMonkey_: to each his own
[09:01] <mcking> night all
[09:01] <IRCMonkey_> never had a loader prob with FC or xandros
[09:01] <synd_> then go with FC or xandros, IRCMonkey_  : )
[09:01] <parabolize> IRCMonkey_ you need someone smarter then I to help you make a smaller boot partition.
[09:02] <synd_> but you are better off with Ubuntu as a Linux newb, imo.
[09:02] <learn25> what are the requirements to run firestarter? will it run internet connection sharing even without logging in to the GUI?
[09:02] <IRCMonkey_> I thought linux bypassed the bios and hd size wasn't a prob with FC
[09:02] <parabolize> it uses the bios to boot
[09:03] <poningru> everything in x86 needs the bios to boot
[09:03] <IRCMonkey_> I was surprised when FC recognized the full hd size
[09:03] <poningru> unless you put something else in the ram
[09:03] <synd_> why dont you just let the ubuntu installer handle the partitioning ?
[09:03] <IRCMonkey_> i did
[09:03] <IRCMonkey_> reinstalled 3x
[09:03] <gm78> In Ubuntu Warty i was able to enter the command nautilus applications:/// to edit the menu. How do I do this now in Hoary, that command doesnt work?
[09:03] <synd_> the default setting should work.
[09:04] <Pengo> I have a question
[09:04] <Pengo> a stupid one with a stupid answer probably
[09:04] <synd_> Pengo: just ask.
[09:04] <gm78> Pengo : lol, go ahead and ask
[09:04] <Lighty> gm78: Download and install SMEG. http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[09:04] <learn25> Hi! Anybody here tried firestarter to share the internet conniection?
[09:04] <microhaxo> whats the best music player?
[09:04] <Pengo> but where is the /apps/gnome-session/options/splash_screen key in The configuration editor
[09:05] <synd_> microhaxo: xmms is my favorite
[09:05] <bob2> microhaxo: that's obviously subjective.  I quite like cplay.
[09:05] <synd_> some say beep media player
[09:05] <robitaille> gm78,  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[09:06] <learn25> is there a media player in ubuntu that can play movie trailers in yahoo's website?
[09:06] <bob2> sure, mplayer and xine
[09:06] <robitaille> microhaxo,   I use Rhythmbox and xmms
[09:06] <zyth> learn25, mplayer-mozilla plugin
[09:06] <microhaxo> how can i make files only open with a specific app?
[09:06] <learn25> ok. thanks
[09:06] <microhaxo> like in windows
[09:06] <microhaxo> open with
[09:06] <microhaxo> ?
[09:06] <microhaxo> always use this
[09:07] <learn25> my problem now is how to setup internet connection sharing under ubuntu. I have two NIC. eth0 and eth1
[09:07] <zyth> hm my flash audio is out of sync with my video
[09:08] <Cooner750> does ubuntu have modules like some other distros?
[09:08] <synd_> modules?
[09:09] <Cooner750> Yea; there a file that you download. Go to terminal and type moduse <modulename> and boom it installs it
[09:09] <Cooner750> I know Slax has this
[09:09] <synd_> apt-get
[09:09] <microhaxo> guys
[09:09] <learn25> how to install mplayer-mozilla plugin?
[09:09] <synd_> dpkg -i <.deb>
[09:09] <microhaxo> how can i make a console transparent?
[09:09] <synd_> learn25: ubuntuguide.org
[09:09] <learn25> ok
[09:10] <synd_> learn25: loads of newb info there.
[09:10] <bob2> Cooner750: you mean packages?
[09:10] <bob2> Cooner750: sure, debian had it long before the rest of the world.  sudo apt-get install packagename.
[09:10] <Cooner750> probably. People at Slax call them modules
[09:11] <ubuntu> i was wondering who updates the repositories?
[09:11] <cthulfuego> ubuntu: The ubuntu developers.
[09:11] <synd_> ubuntu: the devs
[09:11] <Cooner750> When I go to install the Multimedia Codecs it says "Do you want to continue (Y/n)" when I type Y and hit Enter it says "Abort." and throws me back to the command line...
[09:12] <microhaxo> Yo
[09:12] <ubuntu> because the version of gaim is now updated to version 1.3.1 and the version in the repository is 1.30
[09:12] <bob2> Cooner750: "multimedia codecs"?
[09:12] <ubuntu> 1.3.0*
[09:12] <bob2> ubuntu: in breezy?
[09:12] <Cooner750> http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[09:13] <ubuntu> ?
[09:13] <Lighty> microhaxo: Open a terminal, go to Edit -> Current Profile, click the Effects tab, and change the Background setting to Transparent background. A slider below that lets you set how transparent you want it.
[09:13] <cthulfuego> !ICS is <reply> To share your intenet connection on eth0 with a LAN on eth1, make sure you don't have a firewall that interferes. Then run: iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE; sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1  Ask me about <simple firewall>
[09:14] <ubotu> cthulfuego: okay
[09:14] <ubuntu> no hoary
[09:14] <microhaxo> im in KDE
[09:14] <microhaxo> KUBUNTU
[09:14] <Lighty> ubuntu: That happens sometimes. It'll take a few days or a week or two for the volunteers to get GAIM updated in the repositories.
[09:14] <synd_> microhaxo: so goto #kubuntu
[09:14] <microhaxo> they dont talk
[09:15] <microhaxo> lol
[09:15] <microhaxo> i want it real time transparent
[09:15] <Lighty> microhaxo: I don't do KDE. Seemed like too much trouble.
[09:15] <microhaxo> none of this laggy shit
[09:15] <Cooner750> Yes; the lines are already un-commented in "/etc/apt/sources.list"
[09:15] <ubuntu> ok thx lighty
[09:15] <Pengo> So I still dont know how to change the splash screen
[09:15] <synd_> microhaxo: no need for the lang
[09:15] <cthulfuego> !simple firewall is iptables A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT; iptables -P INPUT DROP; iptables -A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT  You will then need rules to allow incoming traffic for each service you want to run. Check the documentation in /usr/share/doc/iptables/html
[09:15] <ubotu> okay, cthulfuego
[09:16] <Lighty> Pengo: I didn't really understand your question. Could you try rephrasing it?
[09:16] <Cooner750> I've never had audio issues in linux before
[09:17] <Pengo> Ok, I read the thing on the Gnome site and i added the image to the .gnome/ folder then when i go to change the Gconf key it isnt there
[09:18] <Lighty> Pengo: Can you give a URL for where on the Gnome site they talk about this?
[09:19] <Pengo>  Lighty, http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#q8
[09:19] <cthulfuego> Oh crap.
[09:20] <synd_> swrong cthulfuego
[09:20] <Whistler> how can i install sh files?
[09:20] <cthulfuego> Whistler: sh ./foo.sh
[09:21] <kvidell> that's a shell script. just run it
[09:21] <cthulfuego> Cooner750: Is the music any good or is it that noisy young people's music we're better off without?
[09:21] <kvidell> by making it executable (chmod +x thinger.sh) and running it (./thinger.sh) or running it as a script the other way (sh thinger.sh)
[09:21] <synd_> Cooner750: many people have no sound issues with ubuntu
[09:21] <Cooner750> Is good music :)
[09:21] <cthulfuego> Cooner750: Can you give me an example?
[09:22] <synd_> cthulfuego: how about you give an example
[09:22] <cthulfuego> synd_: Of what?
[09:22] <Cooner750> Well some artists; Rush; uh.... I cant thing about much at the moment
[09:22] <Cooner750> trying to get sound to work
[09:22] <Lighty> Pengo: Can you get all the way down to "options" in the Configuration Editor?
[09:22] <synd_> cthulfuego: your music prefs
[09:22] <Whistler> cthulfuego thx
[09:23] <synd_> Cooner750: have you taken a look at ubuntuguide.org
[09:23] <synd_> Cooner750: or the ubuntu wiki
[09:23] <Cooner750> Yes; I've un-commented the lines and tried installing the codecs
[09:23] <Pengo> no:/
[09:23] <Lighty> Whistler: You thanked the wrong fellow. :)
[09:23] <Whistler> ?
[09:23] <Whistler> why?
[09:23] <Lighty> Pengo: Do you have an "apps" key?
 Whistler: sh ./foo.sh
[09:23] <Pengo> yeah
[09:23] <Cooner750> It asks "Do you want to continue (Y/n)" and when I type Y and hit enter it says "Abort." and goes back to command line
[09:24] <synd_> Cooner750: paste your sources.list in #flood or pastebin.com
[09:24] <kvidell> cthulfuego gave him A way to do it... I don't know if it works or not
[09:24] <alonso> hi all!, How can i install mozilla firefox 1.04 by apt-get??, i don't wan to manual download!!
[09:24] <Lighty> Whistler: Oops. I missed his line. I saw kvidell's more complete answer. Sorry.
[09:24] <paxon> Anyone knows how to cancel printing job?
[09:24] <bob2> alonso: you can't, sorry
[09:24] <kvidell> never tried combining both methods, lol
[09:24] <alonso> bob2: why??
[09:24] <Lighty> Paxon: Do you have a printer icon up by your clock?
[09:24] <bob2> or you can use backports, and then have to complain to them if/when it breaks
[09:24] <Cooner750> ok. pasting as pastebin.com brb
[09:24] <paxon> Lighty, nop.
[09:25] <bob2> alonso: because hoary is released.  when something is "released", it doesn't get random new bits of software
[09:25] <synd_> Cooner750: just copy/paste the url here.
[09:25] <poningru> alonso: the 1.0.2 in ubuntu is the same as 1.0.4
[09:25] <Lighty> paxon: Warty or Hoary?
[09:25] <paxon> Hoary.
[09:25] <bob2> alonso: 1.0.2 in Ubuntu has all the security fixes from 1.0.4
[09:25] <paxon> Under KDE.
[09:25] <poningru> alonso: why do you need the 1.0.4?
[09:25] <Cooner750> http://pastebin.com/300786
[09:25] <poningru> for the extensions?
[09:25] <poningru> if so go here
[09:25] <poningru> extensionsmirror.nl
[09:25] <synd_> the devs just havent updated the version number for some reason
[09:26] <synd_> for 1.0.4
[09:26] <Lighty> paxon: May I suggest you go over to #kubuntu?
[09:26] <alonso> bob2; because, in windows it 1.0.4, i only want to use newest version
[09:26] <Whistler> i installed cross over office how do i run IE with it?
[09:26] <ubuntu> when you type do u actually type there username then the message or do u push a button?
[09:26] <cthulfuego> alonso: So you have no good reason is what you're saying?
[09:26] <bob2> alonso: why do you want the latest version?
[09:27] <paxon> Lighty, got it.(via Ctrl center) Thanks.
[09:27] <poningru> alonso: the 1.0.2 in ubuntu is the same as 1.0.4 elsewhere
[09:27] <Cooner750> just incase you didnt see it above: http://pastebin.com/300786
[09:27] <cthulfuego> poningru: No, it's not.
[09:27] <bob2> poningru: are you sure about that?
[09:27] <poningru> um yes it is
[09:27] <cthulfuego> poningru: Um, no, its not.
[09:27] <synd_> Cooner750: i really recommend making your sources.list file look like the one here: www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[09:28] <bob2> I'm pretty sure it's not
[09:28] <poningru> please explain the defference between the two
[09:28] <Cooner750> synd_: ok
[09:28] <bob2> it's 1.0.2 with particular security fixes from 1.0.4 backported
[09:28] <cthulfuego> poningru: The ubuntu one has security fixes, but _not_ additional 1.0.4 functionality.
[09:28] <alonso> i think new version is better with some security, but if it the same, i don't worry it, sir.
[09:28] <synd_> Cooner750: thought i mentioned that to you already
[09:28] <Do-It-Now> hi all
[09:28] <poningru> what additional functionality was added?
[09:28] <ubuntu> cthulfugeo: what are the xtra features?
[09:28] <poningru> nothing iirc
[09:28] <bob2> poningru: none
[09:28] <cthulfuego> alonso: The security fixes for 1.0.4 are also in the Ubuntu 1.0.2.
[09:28] <synd_> Cooner750: but try that, then do the codecs found at ubuntuguide,org as well.
[09:29] <cthulfuego> poningru: check the mozilla website and compare against the firefox changelog.
[09:29] <bob2> poningru: other bug fixes were added between upstream 1.0.2 and 1.0.4, which ubuntu does not have
[09:29] <alonso> all: ok, i am clear now
[09:29] <alonso> thanks all!!
[09:29] <Cooner750> now it wont let me edit when using gedit command...
[09:29] <Whistler> i installed cross over office how do i run IE with it?
[09:29] <cthulfuego> Does anyone have a KDE 5 source line for me?
[09:30] <synd_> Cooner750: sudo gedit
[09:30] <Pengo> rebooting
[09:30] <crazyhorse> kde5?
[09:30] <poningru> http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/releases/1.0.4.html
[09:30] <poningru> that is whats fixed
[09:30] <synd_> Cooner750: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:30] <Cooner750> synd_: I mustve read your mind. I just did that :p
[09:30] <cthulfuego> crazyhorse: it's got a higher version that KDE3, so it's obviously better software.
[09:30] <Cooner750> I thought "hmm.... maybe if I sudo it"
[09:30] <synd_> Cooner750: anytime it doesnt let you do something, its most likey because you didnt sudo it.
[09:30] <thoreauputic> Whistler: follow the instructions you got when you paid for it?
[09:30] <synd_> get into the habit of sudoing
[09:31] <Lighty> synd_: But only when it doesn't work without sudo, right?
[09:31] <synd_> Whistler: why would you want IE gobblygook running?
[09:31] <synd_> Lighty: huh?
[09:31] <paxon> sudo <3 ubuntu -now
[09:31] <poningru> so there you have it nothing extra was added in
[09:32] <cthulfuego> See, I'm not sure that Ubuntu contains 1.0.4 fixes for S390.
[09:32] <Shufla> hello
[09:32] <ubuntu> hi
[09:32] <Shufla> i've got not nice problem
[09:32] <poningru> yeah dont worry about that shouldnt effect a user much
[09:32] <synd_> i heard it did, cthulfuego. at least i thought i read that here a few days ago.
[09:32] <Shufla> my machine with X runed screen-saver
[09:32] <Shufla> and my keybord and mouse are locked
[09:32] <poningru> so for all practical purposes there is no difference
[09:33] <microhaxo> err
[09:33] <cthulfuego> bob2: You going to be in melburne next friday?
[09:33] <bob2> except the version, which breaks extensions
[09:33] <Shufla> i've got to ssh to this system, and i've killed gdm, but keyboard is still unresponsive
[09:33] <Cooner750> It now gives more error messages.
[09:33] <microhaxo> Is there any way i can install a 32bit kernel over my amd64 kernel?
[09:33] <bob2> firefox needs SONAME-esque interface versioning
[09:33] <synd_> gaim 1.3.1 is not yet avail in the apt, correct?
[09:33] <bob2> cthulfuego: nah, more likely mid-july
[09:33] <synd_> Cooner750: did you sudo apt-get update
[09:33] <Cooner750> Well; I'm going to bed (tired). I'll mess with it more tomorrow
[09:33] <Cooner750> I'll try update
[09:33] <Shufla> it's not first time with such hang - diffrent machines (x86,amd64) and sometimes after screensaver running system is locked down :(
[09:33] <Cooner750> right now
[09:33] <Whistler> synd_ cause i play online game.And it supports IE only
[09:34] <priest> can someone tell which system monitor is used here? http://www.tuxme.com/node/486
[09:34] <cthulfuego> bob2: July 29 is Critical mass
[09:34] <bob2> cthulfuego: hmmm
[09:34] <synd_> Cooner750: you obviously didnt read the whole page i sent you to : )
[09:34] <crazyhorse> synd, nay but the breezy package build on hoary works fine
[09:34] <Lighty> ogneP: Work OK?
[09:34] <synd_> crazyhorse: where can i get it
[09:34] <synd_> ?
[09:35] <bob2> priest: gdesklets
[09:35] <bob2> cthulfuego: ah
[09:35] <ogneP> Lighty, yeah it did thanks
[09:35] <priest> bob2: thank you
[09:35] <Cooner750> updating
[09:35] <Lighty> ogneP: Good.
[09:35] <Cooner750> thanks to my fast speed connection it wont take long
[09:35] <synd_> yup
[09:36] <crazyhorse> synd, you can build it by yourself or i can email you the .deb i build
[09:36] <Lighty> priest: Here's the URL for you: http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/
[09:36] <Cooner750> I bet if something like this went wrong on windows M$ would suggest you reinstall the OS :p
[09:36] <synd_> Cooner750: then http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[09:36] <Cooner750> k
[09:36] <Cooner750> apparently it needs updating :)
[09:36] <synd_> crazyhorse: phil.jm@gmail.com
[09:37] <Cooner750> on file 38 of 46
[09:37] <synd_> yup
[09:37] <Cooner750> does anybody know the time (I live in Ohio)?
[09:37] <cthulfuego> ubotu: time
[09:37] <ubotu> cthulfuego: Are you smoking crack?
[09:37] <cthulfuego> yes
[09:37] <Cooner750> The clock is screwed up. It says 7:37 AM
[09:37] <synd_> its 330 here in lexington, ky.
[09:37] <cthulfuego> Cooner750: apt-get install ntpdate
[09:38] <Cooner750> thanks!
[09:38] <synd_> thought ntupdate was installed and ran by default?
[09:38] <Lighty> priest: You can use apt-get or Synaptic to install gdesklets and then visit that site to download the individual Gnome desklets.
[09:38] <crazyhorse> synd_, wait a second pls
[09:38] <synd_> crazyhorse: no prob.
[09:38] <Cooner750> what should I do now?
[09:39] <synd_> Cooner750: huh?
[09:39] <synd_> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[09:39] <Cooner750> nevermind :)
[09:39] <cthulfuego> Ah hold on, maybe your time is set to UTC
[09:39] <cthulfuego> UTC is 7:39 AM atm I think
[09:39] <priest> Lighty: thanks
[09:39] <Cooner750> it's installing
[09:39] <synd_> jeeze i need to sleep at night cause the longer i stay up, the more marlboros i inhale
[09:39] <snivl> Hello. Why is it that if I remove something like "wvdial" from Synaptic... it tries to remove "Ubuntu-desktop" ?
[09:40] <Cooner750> where does all of this go anyway? I'm running the live cd (yea; changes will be lost at shutdown tonight :( )
[09:40] <snivl> I can't remove any of this junk
[09:40] <cthulfuego> snivl: Coz ubuntu-desktop depends on wvdial
[09:40] <snivl> Why?
[09:40] <synd_> Cooner750: what?
[09:40] <snivl> I dont use DIALUP
[09:40] <snivl> never will, ever.
[09:40] <cthulfuego> snivl: ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package that ONLY contains depends, so you can delet it without any problems.
[09:40] <synd_> we all started on dialup : )
[09:40] <thoreauputic> snivl: ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage - you can safely remove it
[09:40] <Cooner750> I was just wondering what it does with the packages it downloads. It is running live cd at the moment
[09:40] <synd_> i remember when dial up was like pay by the hour
[09:41] <synd_> and i was mesmerized when dialup was "unlimited"
[09:41] <thoreauputic> synd: still is in some places
[09:41] <cthulfuego> Still is in many places, with timed local calls thrown in too.
[09:41] <Cooner750> which brings me to another question. Is there anyway to save settings, etc... in Ubuntu?
[09:41] <snivl> can I remove Ubuntu-Base?
[09:41] <Cooner750> In Slax there was a command but I forget what it was
[09:41] <synd_> thoreauputic: well, here in the US..
[09:41] <snivl> is Ubuntu Base another Metapackage?
[09:42] <thoreauputic> synd: hint: there's a world out here ;)
[09:42] <Lighty> Cooner750: I just have to ask, why are you bothering to customize a not-installed OS?
[09:42] <microhaxo> different day same shit....
[09:42] <snivl> I'm trying to remove dosfstools , and it says Ubuntu  base removal
[09:42] <synd_> thoreauputic: indeed : )
[09:42] <cthulfuego> snivl: Probably.
[09:42] <Cooner750> "Cooner750: I just have to ask, why are you bothering to customize a not-installed OS?"... dunno really
[09:42] <Cooner750> wow. It wants to hang while it's installing updates
[09:43] <microhaxo> IM SUPPOST TO DIE TONIGHT!
[09:43] <synd_> Cooner750: well.
[09:43] <snivl> Why not name things like Ubuntu-Base to be Ubuntu-Base (Meta) ?
[09:43] <cthulfuego> snivl: See 'apt-cache show ubuntu-base'
[09:43] <Cooner750> I do have 2GB to save settings if I need it
[09:43] <microhaxo> yo, waht version of kde does KUBUNTU run?
[09:43] <synd_> microhaxo: my lil homey kenny died tonight
[09:43] <microhaxo> sux for you :|
[09:43] <microhaxo> yo
[09:43] <microhaxo> those bastards
[09:43] <cthulfuego> snivl: Because ubuntu-base (meta) is a PITA to type.
[09:43] <synd_> Cooner750: why not just go ahead and install ubuntu?
[09:44] <synd_> anyone want ubuntu cds quick? i have about 50 of them to get rid of
[09:44] <Lighty> snivl: Do you ever use flash disks (aka thumb drives, jump drives, card readers, etc.)?
[09:44] <microhaxo> LOl
[09:44] <skynet> i
[09:44] <skynet> hi
[09:44] <microhaxo> ak loaded
[09:44] <thoreauputic> microhaxo: kde 3.4
[09:44] <Cooner750> synd_ i will tomorrow.
[09:44] <microhaxo> 3.4.1?
[09:44] <microhaxo> or is that unstable?
[09:44] <synd_> Cooner750: fun
[09:44] <skynet> can someone give me some help with a dongle?
[09:44] <synd_> skynet: what the problem?
[09:45] <microhaxo> MAAAYN all i need is a lil bit!
[09:45] <synd_> how well does ubuntu work with bluetooth?
[09:45] <skynet> i can't set it up
[09:45] <skynet> i used ndiswrapper
[09:45] <synd_> skynet: a dongle what?
[09:45] <Cooner750> going to bed.
[09:45] <synd_> ah i see.
[09:45] <Cooner750> see ya tomorrow
[09:45] <skynet> conceptronics
[09:45] <Cooner750> it's wanteing to freezeee
[09:45] <Cooner750> wow. my typing sucks
[09:45] <skynet> is a usb device
[09:46] <Cooner750> 'night
[09:46] <Lighty> Cooner750: G'night
[09:46] <synd_> cig break time
[09:47] <skynet> synd_?
[09:47] <Lighty> skynet: I tried to use a USB 802.11G dongle, but I couldn't get it to work.
[09:47] <skynet> so do i :-(
[09:47] <synd_> skynet: ive found that dongles are finicky
[09:47] <synd_> but they shouldnt be any different from PCMCIA cards
[09:48] <Lighty> skynet: From what I was able to figure out, Ubuntu can do the wireless and it can do the USB, but it has a hard time doing the wireless through USB. :-(
[09:48] <skynet> ahhhh
[09:48] <Lighty> synd_: PCMCIA has been around an awful lot longer than USB, so support for it is much better.
[09:49] <skynet> ok
[09:49] <synd_> cthulfuego: whats that ubotu topic for internet sharing?
[09:49] <skynet> i have to buy another card..
[09:49] <cthulfuego> !ICS
[09:49] <ubotu> To share your intenet connection on eth0 with a LAN on eth1, make sure you don't have a firewall that interferes. Then run: iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE; sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1  Ask me about <simple firewall>
[09:49] <Lighty> synd_: What's ubotu?
[09:49] <synd_> thanks.
[09:49] <cthulfuego> Time to test the package info script.
[09:50] <synd_> cthulfuego: think that would work for wlan0 to eth0 ?
[09:50] <Lighty> skynet: That's what I had to do.
[09:50] <cthulfuego> synd_: yes
[09:50] <skynet> uhm
[09:50] <cthulfuego> synd_: That works for any set of more than one network interfaces
[09:50] <microhaxo> guy
[09:50] <microhaxo> s
[09:50] <synd_> cthulfuego: so, i can take my incoming connection (from wlan0) and output it thru eth0?
[09:50] <skynet> using ndiswrapper i got this message:
[09:51] <synd_> cthulfuego: while still maintaining my wlan0 connection, of course
[09:51] <synd_> ?
[09:51] <skynet> crtusb  driver present
[09:51] <skynet> so it recognize the device
[09:51] <synd_> skynet: its not picking up the device, obviously
[09:52] <skynet> but can't set it up
[09:52] <patte> quit
[09:52] <uman> hi all
[09:52] <skynet> i have to buy a pci card
[09:53] <synd_> Lighty: heh
[09:53] <uman> lol @ Lighty
[09:53] <selinium> thoreauputic: I am starting to think you are a bot! Are you eve not here? :)
[09:53] <cthulfuego> synd_: yes
[09:53] <thoreauputic> selinium: oh, sure - I do sleep sometimes ;)
[09:54] <thoreauputic> selinium: even bots have to rest, you know ;-)
[09:54] <skynet> g'night
[09:54] <Lighty> skynet: G'night and good luck with wireless!
[09:55] <skynet> tnx
[09:55] <crazyhorse>  undefined reference to `sleep` ;)
[09:55] <Lighty> selinium: thoreauputic obviously has a trigger set so that when you enter the room, an alarm goes off, and they can get on their keyboard right away.
[09:56] <Mil> I cant see the systray icons..Why?It's hard to use azureus and amule
[09:57] <synd> cthulfuego: do i have to change anything on that cmd for wlan0 > eth0 or leave as is?
[09:57] <synd> iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE; sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
[09:57] <Lighty> Mil: Right-click on a gnome panel and click Add to panel.
[09:58] <Lighty> Mil: Do you see an option of System Tray (or SysTray, I forget which way it's spelled)?
[09:58] <concept10> Systray I thought that was windows?
[09:58] <Lighty> concept10: We have one in Gnome, too.
[09:59] <Mil> Lighty, When i minimize azureus it must be in gnome-panel with a icons...the option system tray is checked
[09:59] <Lighty> concept10: Do you run Gaim or the Ubuntu updater? Where the little icons are is where the SysTray is.
[09:59] <Davy> if i can not connect to web,i can not install ubuntu?
[09:59] <concept10> Lighty, oh i didnt think it was called system tray
[10:00] <Lighty> concept10: It surprised me too. I would have thought Microsoft copyrighted it.
[10:00] <Lighty> Davy: Do you have a CD or DVD with Ubuntu on it?
[10:00] <crazyhorse> apple. not microsoft. apple ;)
[10:00] <Lighty> Mil: Did you check the Add to panel option I mentioned?
[10:01] <synd_> dont mention apple or bob2 gets annoyed
[10:01] <Lighty> crazyhorse: There's a system tray on the Mac desktop?
[10:01] <concept10> I removed the system tray from my panel, it bugs me
[10:01] <synd_> :>
[10:01] <synd_> no
[10:01] <ogneP> Does anyone know where i can get a canon iP3000 Pixma Printer driver for linux?
[10:01] <synd_> no systray on macos
[10:02] <Davy> only a download cd which size is 500M
[10:02] <bob2> synd_: I'm just trying to keep this channel on-topic and useful
[10:02] <synd_> Davy: you dont need a connection to install
[10:02] <Lighty> Davy: If you don't already have it on CD, then downloading it is your only option.
[10:03] <concept10> ogneP, try linuxprinting.org
[10:03] <Lighty> Davy: But, if you do have it, then, no, you don't need a connection.
[10:03] <crazyhorse> Lighty, nay, but the concept draft was made by apple i think
[10:03] <concept10> ogneP, the printer config app couldnt recognize your printer?
[10:03] <crazyhorse> synd_, you've got mail
[10:03] <stimpie> ogneP, ftp://download.canon.jp/pub/driver/bj/linux/ might have it but as far as I know it is not supported for linux
[10:03] <Davy> but only a base system without gnome,if only a cd
[10:03] <synd_> crazyhorse: thx
[10:04] <cthulfuego> Woooo!
[10:04] <synd_> Davy: yes you can do that too
[10:05] <Lighty> Davy: Do you want that barebones of an Ubuntu? Otherwise, the regular Install CD does come with Gnome and all the other delicious goodies.
[10:06] <CoffeeMan> yes
[10:06] <CoffeeMan> delicious it is
[10:06] <cthulfuego> !info ubuntu-desktop
[10:06] <ubotu> ubuntu-desktop: (The Ubuntu desktop system), section base, is optional. Version: 0.43 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
[10:06] <cthulfuego> kick-arse
[10:06] <cthulfuego> !info ubuntu-desktop breezy
[10:07] <ubotu> ubuntu-desktop: (The Ubuntu desktop system), section base, is optional. Version: 0.49 (breezy), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 36 kB
[10:07] <cthulfuego> !dstats hoary
[10:07] <ubotu> Ubuntu Distro Stats on hoary... 16270 packages, 1437 maintainers, 31005 MB installed size, 9820 MB compressed size.
[10:07] <synd_> cthulfuego: is ubotu running on ubuntu?
[10:07] <cthulfuego> synd_: No, on Debian sarge ;-)
[10:07] <synd_> haha
[10:08] <poningru> why haha?
[10:08] <poningru> ubuntu is a desktop distro
[10:08] <cthulfuego> poningru: No, it's not. See the 'server' boot args to the installer.
[10:08] <poningru> not a server/embed/anything linux distro
[10:08] <synd_> poningru: no
[10:08] <thoreauputic> cthulfuego: shock! horror! *grin*
[10:08] <uman> It's not like distros matter all that much
[10:08] <uman> hell
[10:08] <uman> you could use Mandrake as a server if you really wanted.
[10:09] <synd_> linux is linux
[10:09] <uman> exactly
[10:09] <poningru> thats true but why would you use this for server
[10:09] <uman> you could convert a mandrake install to look just like a debian install if you had the time and motivation
[10:09] <synd_> poningru: why not?
[10:09] <uman> some are just more easy to set up as secure servers.
[10:09] <poningru> it just has too many packages and other stuff
[10:09] <synd_> poningru: not if you install the base
[10:10] <poningru> isnt the base just the kernel?
[10:10] <poningru> I am probably wrong
[10:10] <thoreauputic> poningru: the base server install is around 400MB or less i think
[10:10] <Seveas> poningru, ehm, you aren't making sense :)
[10:10] <poningru> guess not
[10:10] <synd_> : )
[10:10] <Seveas> ubuntu-base is all you need to run a console linux system
[10:10] <Seveas> you can easily add things from there
[10:10] <poningru> ah ic
[10:10] <synd_> ugh i need to sleep before i smoke all my cigarettes
[10:10] <poningru> dont smoke cigs
[10:10] <theD3viL> Why my mozilla-mplayer wonts play mpeg files or avi or whatever files ?
[10:10] <Seveas> to make eiter a server or  a desktop or an ltsp or a ...... system
[10:11] <concept10> poningru, the base is all the tools and utils you need to have a working linux OS
[10:11] <poningru> gotcha
[10:11] <synd_> cthulfuego: sounds like ubotu's got a good life
[10:11] <Seveas> ubotu is crap
[10:11] <cthulfuego> poningru: base is essentially debian-base, if you add ubuntu-desktop, you get the desktop version with X and Gnome.
[10:11] <ubotu> Seveas: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:12] <cthulfuego> !lart synd_
[10:12] <cthulfuego> eg
[10:12] <Seveas> hehe
[10:12] <cthulfuego> !lart Seveas
[10:12] <Seveas> ooh, kinky :)
[10:12] <synd_> wtf is VAXen !
[10:12] <Seveas> synd_, read up on computer history..
[10:12] <synd_> :/
[10:12] <cthulfuego> synd_: 1970's fridge sized pre-DOS computers.
[10:13] <concept10> omg, not a politically correct dpkg bot
[10:13] <poningru> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAX
[10:13] <synd_> so when you gonna give ubotu AI?
[10:14] <crazyhorse>  VAX 11/780 *swarming*
[10:14] <synd_> :>
[10:14] <Lighty> poningru: But I was having so much fun giving a mini-lesson of VAX computers! :-(
[10:14] <poningru> hehe
[10:14] <synd_> !synd
[10:14] <ubotu> I heard synd is a badass
[10:14] <poningru> !poningru
[10:14] <ubotu> poningru: I give up, what is it?
[10:15] <synd_> : )
[10:15] <cthulfuego> synd_: ubotu is already smarter then most redhat users. What else do you want?
[10:15] <poningru> I thought that was a random phrase
[10:15] <synd_> ubotu forget synd
[10:15] <ubotu> i forgot synd, synd_
[10:16] <synd_> cthulfuego: does that mean its smarter than win users as well?
[10:16] <crazyhorse> okay, 10:15AM, gotta sleep now ;)
[10:16] <cthulfuego> synd_: cabbages are smarter than windows users.
[10:16] <Lighty> Oh wow! I knew a lot about VAX systems, but I never knew this, "VAX is also a brand of wet-dry vacuum cleaners, invented in the 1970s by Alan Brazier. That brand's advertising slogan, "Nothing sucks like a Vax", was often applied wryly by users of VAX computers." (From the Wikipedia article.)
[10:16] <thoreauputic> synd: by definition, of course
[10:17] <synd_> heh
[10:17] <cthulfuego> "as clever as a can of hair"
[10:17] <poningru> did not know that
[10:17] <synd_> Lighty: wikipedia is amazing, eh?
[10:17] <cthulfuego> bloody awful things
[10:18] <synd_> whatd you use em for?
[10:18] <crazyhorse> Lighty, the slogan is as funny as this one http://lachschon.gamigo.de/screens/200506/JustinSane-1118915164.jpg
[10:18] <Lighty> synd_: It truly is. It's been one of my favorite sites for a couple years. I can totally lose track of time when I go there.
[10:18] <cthulfuego> data processing at a large market research company
[10:19] <cthulfuego> (yes, they were hooked up to magnetic reel tapes)
[10:19] <synd_> :
[10:19] <synd_> ?
[10:19] <synd_> :/ *
[10:19] <Lighty> synd_: They were awesome systems. They could run a bunch of different OS's, even simultaneously. (70's to early 80's that was a freaky thing for a computer to do).
[10:19] <poningru> kinda like x86 hmm?
[10:20] <synd_> haha
[10:20] <stevegriff> question - I want to edit proftpd conf, and now I want to restart the proftpd app. Do I do "sudo proftpd restart" in /etc/init.d?
[10:20] <cthulfuego> poningru: maybe not quite _that_ crap.
[10:20] <synd_> think the cell proc will make it into PCs?
[10:20] <synd_> or be a PS3 exclusive
[10:20] <cthulfuego> stevegriff: Yes, or "/etc/init.d/proftpd restart" from anywhere
[10:21] <poningru> imho it will def make it into pc
[10:21] <stevegriff> Restarting ProFTPD ftp daemon.start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 14054: Operation not permitted
[10:21] <poningru> ibm already promised to open up most of the specs iirc
[10:21] <stevegriff> :(
[10:21] <stevegriff> hmmmm
[10:21] <cthulfuego> stevegriff: sudo
[10:21] <Lighty> poningru: Have you seen an x86 boot more than one OS without one OS running inside of another?
[10:21] <stevegriff> cthulfuego - sorted thanks :)
[10:21] <Addius> hm.. I thought the cell had a problem with alround operations
[10:21] <synd_> poningru: they also promised a 3ghz g5 years ago, but that never happened ;p
[10:22] <poningru> Lighty: it was meant to be a joke
[10:22] <poningru> synd: heh thats true
[10:22] <Lighty> poningru: Ahh!
[10:23] <Davy> Who is Davy
[10:24] <synd_> Davy: thatd be you
[10:24] <poningru> wtf
[10:24] <cazabam> if you don't know, davy, no one does
[10:24] <Lighty> I am saving that in a separate text file. It's hilarious!
[10:25] <cazabam> bash.org?
[10:25] <cthulfuego> yeah
[10:25] <Lighty> Cool. I didn't know about bash.org.
[10:26] <poningru> wtf
[10:26] <poningru> I was just thinking about that
[10:26] <carlos> smurfix, hi
[10:26] <carlos> smurfix, around?
[10:26] <smurfix> yo
[10:26] <Lighty> poningru: Now what?
[10:27] <carlos> smurfix, do you know when Xen will be available for Breezy? (if it's not already available...)
[10:27] <Lighty> poningru: Thinking about bash.org?
[10:27] <cthulfuego> !info xen breezy
[10:27] <Addius> erhm, a quick question. Is there an option to install ubuntu so that the kernel stays in /src/ so that I may rebuild it? Had problems adding it later on.
[10:27] <Lighty> (Sorry about the now what. It came out more abrupt than I meant.)
[10:28] <cthulfuego> No xen on breezy
 and it's just asked me "E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[10:28] <smurfix> carlos: no I don't, fabbione and mithrandir are working on it I think, I don't have much time at the moment
 and I typed "no" and it said "bash: no: command not found"
[10:28] <cazabam> addius : what problems you had?
[10:29] <carlos> smurfix, ok, thanks. I suppose mithrandir is the one to ask as fabbione already forward me to you and Mithrandir :-)
[10:30] <Addius> cazabam: well it told me it was missing some folder when I tried to patch it
[10:30] <cazabam> you can install the kernel sources, then untar them yourself
[10:32] <Lighty> G'night. I'm going to bed.
[10:32] <kvidell> sleep well
[10:32] <Addius> yah, that's what I tried but I guess I missed something along the way, heh. I just found a howto in the wiki though so I'll try that one. Thanks though!
[10:32] <Addius> g'night
[10:32] <zhie> alllowww
[10:35] <cazabam> addius: still about?
[10:36] <sly> hey all :)
[10:36] <finlaylabs> anyone know if ubuntu partitioning allows encrypted reiserfs partitions?
[10:36] <flipy> hi!
[10:36] <flipy> I've ubuntu on a home server
[10:36] <flipy> and I access it via ssh
[10:36] <flipy> and I'd like to put some files to download with wget
[10:37] <flipy> but I've seen that wget cannot go to bg
[10:37] <flipy> is there any way to have it on bg running multiple instances?
[10:37] <cazabam> just use & at the end
[10:37] <flipy> it doesn't work
[10:37] <cazabam> !
[10:37] <ubotu> Wish i knew, cazabam
[10:37] <hyphenated> flipy: use a screen session
[10:37] <flipy> someone told me about screen
[10:37] <cazabam> that's a good plan
[10:37] <cazabam> use screen
[10:37] <dalebort_> wget -b
[10:38] <flipy> but I didn't realized the purpouse of screen
[10:38] <flipy> wget -b
[10:38] <flipy> thanks
[10:39] <hyphenated> flipy: it's for running "things" on the box in a way that lets you disconnect and reconnect, and it won't lose them
[10:39] <flipy> wow
[10:39] <flipy> so i'll have to check it out!
[10:39] <flipy> thanks a lot!
[10:39] <flipy> hope see you around! :)
[10:39] <cazabam> screen's cool - I just can't believe my brain is so tired I forgot about it!
[10:39] <cazabam> I use it ALL THE TIME
[10:39] <flipy> xDDD
[10:39] <flipy> oh
[10:39] <flipy> any How-to?
[10:39] <thoreauputic> flipy: man screen is about the size of War and Peace ;-)
[10:39] <hyphenated> google for a few
[10:40] <flipy> ok
[10:40] <flipy> thanks!
[10:40] <cazabam> http://jmcpherson.org/screen.html
[10:40] <hyphenated> cazabam: one thing that sucks is you start doing something, then wish you'd started it in a screen session when it's too late ;-)
[10:40] <cazabam> yeah, done that ;)
[10:40] <Addius> cazabam: yah, sorry, was doing the last steps in the installation again
[10:40] <hyphenated> if it could hijack a shell you already have and then wrap it inside screen, it would rock
[10:40] <flipy> thanks
[10:41] <cazabam> potential for many pranks, though :)
[10:41] <zhie> allooow
[10:41] <zhie> alllow
[10:41] <Install_Man> sorry for the question, is there a separate channel for general discussion on ubuntu?
[10:43] <hyphenated> Install_Man: what's wrong with general discussion on ubuntu in this channel?
[10:44] <Install_Man> sorry it's just that the topic makes it sound like this is a support channel primarily
[10:44] <Install_Man> i thought maybe there was another channel for general discussion
[10:44] <flipy> thank you a lot thoreauputic hyphenated cazabam :)
[10:45] <flipy> cya around
[10:46] <thoreauputic> Install_Man: you'd be surprised what gets discussed here at times ;)
[10:47] <finlaylabs> can a cd be 'bad' and still have chksum check out ok? On install I get 'Couldnt retrieve bsdutils'.
[10:47] <Addius> hm.. I'm still wondering about how it handles the kernel. The only trace of the kernel is that found in  boot is it?
[10:47] <cazabam> yep, by default
[10:48] <cazabam> you can install the kernel source after the fact, and make-kpkg to build your own
[10:48] <Install_Man> i've heard there's a project that has already ported most of ubuntu to interix? does anyone know more?
[10:48] <Addius> yah, then I get it. And I only need to copy the stuff to /boot/ "as usual with grub"?
[10:49] <Dalkus> what's interix?
[10:49] <cazabam> if you use make-kpkg you get a .deb with the kernel, modules, etc in it. you just dpkg -i it
[10:50] <finlaylabs> 'Checking package size:' goes over bsdutils ok
[10:50] <Addius> ok.. I use gentoo and openBSD on my own machines so I'm not really used to using pkg's, heh.
[10:51] <cazabam> hehe ok
[10:51] <Install_Man> interix is the unix subsystem for windows that microsoft uses, essentially a lot of openbsd code that turns windows into a posix system (compile unix programs directly to windows and run natively)....kind of like cygwin but faster and more integrated (no emulation)
[10:52] <cazabam> install_man: is it free?
[10:52] <Install_Man> cazabam: yes, as in beer at least: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/sfu/default.mspx
[10:52] <BlueT_> hello everybody :)
[10:52] <thoreauputic> cazabam: umm.. if Microsoft uses it, unfree for sure
[10:52] <Nermal> morning
[10:53] <forsaker8k6> morning everyone :D
[10:53] <BlueT_> good morning/afternoon/night all around the wourld :p
[10:53] <Addius> good morning
[10:53] <cthulfuego> thoreauputic: No, BSD != unfree.
[10:53] <uman> forsaker8k6: good morning
[10:53] <uman> forsaker8k6: it's about 2 AM here but heh
[10:53] <forsaker8k6> :) where are you from?
[10:53] <thoreauputic> cthulfuego: ah good point - true :)
[10:53] <Install_Man> uman: same here
[10:53] <cthulfuego> thoreauputic: BSD =~ grab what you can and claim it's yours
[10:54] <forsaker8k6> here it's about 11 AM :)
[10:54] <uman> forsaker8k6: Arizona, USA
[10:54] <thoreauputic> cthulfuego: yes,, unfortunate really (I prefer GPL for that reason)
[10:54] <pepsi> anyone using breezy?
[10:54] <Nermal> pepsi, yah
[10:54] <pepsi> Nermal, you have libx11-6 held back, right?
[10:55] <Nermal> dunno
[10:55] <Nermal> not updated for 3 weeks or so
[10:55] <pepsi> oh
[10:55] <uman> forsaker8k6: what about you?
[10:55] <cthulfuego> !info libx11-6 breezy
[10:55] <ubotu> libx11-6: (X Window System protocol client library), section libs, is optional. Version: 6.8.2-20 (breezy), Packaged size: 689 kB, Installed size: 1372 kB
[10:55] <Nermal> new router is being a piece of shit
[10:55] <forsaker8k6> i'm from Italy :)
[10:55] <Nermal> and I need to get a wifi card for my machine
[10:55] <Nermal> or just sell the whole lot and buy a powerbook
[10:55] <forsaker8k6> unfortunatly i'd say
[10:55] <cazabam> thoreauputic: I meant as in beer - no chance of 'as in speech' really :)
[10:55] <uman> forsaker8k6: why?
[10:56] <uman> forsaker8k6: why is it unfortunate that you live in Italy?
[10:56] <BlueT_> btw, there's a LoCoBot in my LoCoTeam channel, is that just a irclog bot or something else? :)
[10:56] <forsaker8k6> because of how things are going in politics..maybe you heard of Berlusconi ... :(
[10:56] <cthulfuego> BlueT_: eh?
[10:56] <thoreauputic> forsaker8k6: unfortunate for you, or for Italy ? *grin*
[10:57] <forsaker8k6> for me and for Italy :)
[10:57] <sly> forsaker want to trade for a rainy britain ?
[10:57] <BlueT_> cthulfuego: ins't there a ID "LoCoBot" in your locale team channel? @@?
[10:57] <forsaker8k6> mmm... rainy nritain eh ? let me think about :)
[10:57] <finlaylabs> or a smoggy Beijing?
[10:58] <forsaker8k6> :D
[10:58] <pepsi> Nermal, update your stuff :) just dont upgrade libx11-6
[10:59] <Nermal> pepsi, no net connection on my breezy box
[10:59] <pepsi> aw
[10:59] <Nermal> plus.. breezy is v broken atm
[10:59] <Nermal> so not that inclined to update it
[10:59] <pepsi> doesnt seem too broken to me
[10:59] <Nermal> ah...
[10:59] <pepsi> ive been using it for weeks now
[10:59] <Nermal> fonts blew up and X blew up a while back
[10:59] <forsaker8k6> woa.. i'm jut trying out enlightenment e17.. i'd say it has great potentials
[10:59] <finlaylabs> can a cd be 'bad' and still have chksum check out ok?
[10:59] <Nermal> fixable, but a PITA
[11:00] <cazabam> finlaylabs: sounds like a media error more than a bad image
[11:00] <pepsi> Nermal, yeah i did the x fix, but then i reinstalled later on and slowly upgraded everything and it worked fine without doing anything
[11:01] <Nermal> ah
[11:01] <finlaylabs> suggest try #3 CD?
[11:01] <Nermal> can you install breezy straight off or do you have to do a hoary install and upgrader ?
[11:01] <Nermal> -e
[11:01] <Nermal> -r
[11:01] <pepsi> i used the colony1 iso
[11:01] <Nermal> pepsi, colony1 ?
[11:01] <cazabam> finlaylabs: you have tried several times and still not work?
[11:02] <finlaylabs> cazabam: twice. But first time chksum was bad. Think I opened a file (burner very sensitive!)
[11:02] <cazabam> eep! no BURN-free?
[11:02] <T6> btw. the linux-headers-6.6.12-1 seem to be broken as its impossible to compile ipw2100
[11:02] <T6> ^^
[11:03] <T6> 2.6-12
[11:03] <cazabam> finlaylabs: are you installing using the same drive that burned/checksummed the disk?
[11:03] <monolive_> hi
[11:03] <finlaylabs> K3B, burn-free is disabled for some reason, I cant select it.
[11:04] <finlaylabs> no different drive. Different computer.
[11:04] <cazabam> hmm.. I have seen this with a Slackware install - my laptop drive showed errors but my desktop checksummed it OK
[11:04] <cazabam> turned out to be muck in the drive :)
[11:04] <Nermal> bob2, you about ?
[11:05] <Nermal> finlaylabs, also make sure DMA is enabled
[11:05] <finlaylabs> I did clwean the drive between cd1 and cd2, just in case.
[11:05] <finlaylabs> DMA?
[11:05] <cazabam> ok :)
[11:05] <Nermal> yeah... else it might balls uo
[11:05] <Fabian> good morning
[11:05] <cazabam> nermal: why woudl DMA affect the ability to read
[11:05] <cazabam> *would
[11:05] <Nermal> cazabam, is he burning in linux ?
[11:05] <cazabam> yup
[11:05] <Nermal> burning in linux without burnfree or dma
[11:05] <Nermal> could fsck the image up
[11:05] <Fabian> pfp: ya here already???
[11:06] <cazabam> checksums OK though - that's the problem
[11:06] <Nermal> just an idea
[11:06] <Nermal> cazabam, o
[11:06] <cazabam> finlaylabs: can you manually copy the file off the CD
[11:07] <Nermal> any #ubuntu ops about ?
[11:07] <finlaylabs> u mean like console cp the whole cd to the install HD?
[11:07] <monolive_> yep
[11:07] <monolive_> how to install
[11:07] <monolive_> the livecd
[11:07] <monolive_> to HD
[11:08] <Nermal> you don't ?
[11:08] <monolive_> i could create filesystem and install lilo
[11:08] <Nermal> just download the install cd ?
[11:08] <monolive_> but is ther an automatic method to do it?
[11:08] <monolive_> i prefer the livecd
[11:08] <thenuke> monolive_: why bother doing something like that?
[11:08] <monolive_> becouse
[11:08] <monolive_> this livecd
[11:08] <Nermal> don't make things harder than they have to be
[11:08] <monolive_> has the things i need (mono)
[11:09] <Nermal> "how do I put this screw in a wall with a hammer?"
[11:09] <finlaylabs> cazabam: u mean like console cp the whole cd to the install HD? Then install somehow?
[11:09] <uman> bye all, I'm going to bed.
[11:09] <thenuke> monolive_: you can install mono and whatever to your ubuntu by yourself
[11:09] <monolive_> ok
[11:09] <Nermal> monolive_, knoppix have scripts to install to hdd.. not sure if ubuntu live has that
[11:09] <monolive_> oks Nermal, this scripts i was looking for
[11:10] <thenuke> Nermal: that is because knoppix does not have an install-CD
[11:10] <T6> last itme i tried ubuntu live there wsnt such a script
[11:10] <Nermal> aye
[11:10] <Nermal> :|
[11:10] <monolive_> doesn't matter, i will create the filesystems
[11:10] <monolive_> and copy
[11:10] <Nermal> gfl
[11:11] <thenuke> monolive_: why dont you just use the install cd and THEN install any software you need, like mono?
[11:11] <cazabam> finlaylabs: no, just to see if there is a read error on that file - no need to copy the whole lot
[11:11] <cuanntiex> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[11:12] <cuanntiex> i'm confused neh????????????/
[11:12] <monolive_> oks thenuke, if there arent that scripts i will download the install cd
[11:12] <sly> Nermal where you from to use such things as * sye * ;)
[11:12] <Nermal> cuanntiex, not talking like that
[11:12] <Nermal> monolive_, good plan :)
[11:13] <thenuke> there are no scripts because there is no need for them
[11:13] <Nermal> ah.. the logic
[11:14] <cuanntiex> akoe ora ngerti koe ngmg apa/??????????????
[11:14] <thenuke> Nermal: did you mean my logic :) please tell me then what is the logic to have scripts to install liveCD into HD if there is install CD available
[11:14] <thenuke> cuanntiex: english.
[11:14] <finlaylabs> cazabam: ctl-alt-F3 tells me "cp: Read error: Input/output error". Havent tried a manual cp yet.
[11:14] <Nermal> thenuke, no.. I was just admiring the simple logic behind such a reason
[11:15] <cazabam> finlaylabs: stick the disk in your other machine (the one that burned it), then mount it and try to copy the file
[11:15] <cazabam> finlaylabs: if that works then it is your drive
[11:18] <Addius> aff, got stuck on the first step
[11:20] <Addius> so, if I want to add the kernel-package, without having an internet connection, how'd I go about it?
[11:20] <cazabam|hungry> not sure if it's on the CD - apt-cache search should confirm if you have no repositories set up in sources.list
[11:21] <thoreauputic> apt-cache policy would be easier
[11:21] <Addius> policy?
[11:22] <Addius> nm, I read through manpages :p
[11:23] <thoreauputic> Addius: apt-cache policy tells you where stuff comes from, and status etc
[11:23] <finlaylabs> cazabam: copies on write computer just fine. Maybe try slower burn speed (only used x4!)
[11:23] <Addius> yah.. well it couldn't find the package kernel-package, oh noes.. erhm..
[11:23] <finlaylabs> install computer recently had no prob with suse cd.
[11:23] <cazabam> finlaylabs: yeah, slow it right down
[11:24] <thoreauputic> Addius: yeah, kernel-package would appear not to be on the CD
[11:25] <finlaylabs> cazabam: ok will try that later (when Im not using computer! Using it seems to always corrupt the write).
[11:25] <Addius> aff, this makes things complicated :p
[11:25] <finlaylabs> do you know if ubuntu allows encrypetd reiserfs partitions? I got reiserfs ok but no option for encryption.
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Addius: archive.ubuntu.com should have all packages
[11:27] <Addius> ok, any place special I should put them on the machine or will /tmp/ do just fine?
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Addius: shouldn't matter - you will just do sudo dpkg -i to install
[11:27] <thoreauputic> Addius: but watch out for dependencies ;)
[11:28] <finlaylabs> cazabam: thanks for the help. cu later!
[11:28] <thoreauputic> Addius: make sure you install build-essential (that *is* on the CD I think)
[11:28] <Addius> yah, I hope so..
[11:29] <Addius> I could try doing that before I even try getting the kernel-package, heh
[11:29] <thoreauputic> Addius: it is - I just checked
[11:29] <thoreauputic> Addius: definitely install that befor kernel-package
[11:29] <thoreauputic> *before
[11:29] <cazabam> finlaylabs: k :)
[11:29] <Addius> ah, well it's installing it now
[11:30] <Addius> now to find the kernel-package in the archives
[11:30] <DNAku-san> I just noticed I can't access my floppy in ubuntu :/
[11:30] <microhaxo> dammit
[11:30] <microhaxo> i cant install enemy territory
[11:30] <microhaxo> ./et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[11:30] <microhaxo> it says
[11:30] <microhaxo> sudo: /home/microhaxo/et-linux-2.60.x86.run: command not found
[11:30] <DNAku-san> Is there any way I can access my floppy, it's really urgent
[11:31] <thoreauputic> Addius: it's in main
[11:31] <thoreauputic> DNAku-san: of course
[11:31] <cazabam> microhaxo: chmod +x et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[11:31] <Addius> In main? isn't there only installers there?
[11:31] <thoreauputic> DNAku-san: mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /mount/point
[11:31] <anissa> HI
[11:31] <DNAku-san> thanks
[11:31] <microhaxo> thanks
[11:32] <microhaxo> DAMMIT
[11:32] <anissa> ASL
[11:32] <cazabam> microhaxo: ?
[11:32] <thoreauputic> DNAku-san: you might need sudo for that command
[11:32] <microhaxo> FKIN KONQUEROR ALWAYS DOWNLOADING BAD CHECKISMS
[11:32] <thoreauputic> microhaxo: use wget
[11:32] <cazabam> hehe use firefox ;)
[11:33] <microhaxo> I cant dload it
[11:33] <microhaxo> its a weird deal
[11:33] <microhaxo> here
[11:33] <microhaxo> http://enemy-territory.4players.de:1041/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=getit&lid=301
[11:33] <microhaxo> there
[11:33] <DNAku-san> brb
[11:33] <microhaxo> If i click
[11:33] <thoreauputic> Addius: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/
[11:34] <microhaxo> it opens in KATE
[11:34] <microhaxo> if i save as
[11:34] <microhaxo> its a php file
[11:34] <microhaxo> ?
[11:34] <thoreauputic> Addius: it's in that
[11:34] <microhaxo> wtf
[11:34] <Addius> thoreauputic: ah! I tried going through the dist =/
[11:34] <Addius> thanks
[11:34] <thoreauputic> Addius: nah, pool :)
[11:34] <Addius> well this seems more like it
[11:34] <microhaxo> there
[11:34] <microhaxo> i got it
[11:34] <microhaxo> wget http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/4players/hosted/et/official/et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[11:35] <Addius> thoreauputic: I want the deb if I want to do the apt-get install don't I?
[11:36] <jasp> Hi !! I've a question! can anyone help me?? (about kernel)
[11:36] <thoreauputic> Addius: umm - if you download the deb you install it with " sudo dpkg -i <nameofdeb> "
[11:36] <Addius> ok, thanks
[11:36] <stevegriff> I want to install doom3 on ubuntu - do I just install it from the cd or...?
[11:37] <thoreauputic> Addius: apt is for automatic install/ dep resolution: local packages you use dpkg -i
[11:37] <misaka> jasp - If we knew what your question was ...
[11:37] <misaka> ;] 
[11:37] <Addius> I like how this USB-hotplugging actually works though
[11:37] <cazabam> microhaxo: konqueror treats mime types weird, and the web server probably is misconfigured
[11:39] <selinium> Hi all, for some reason, my printer will not work today. the printer is stopped and when you try to start it the application hangs. This has happened to other users but not as yet to me.. ANy ideas?
[11:39] <Addius> well that didn't take long.. okay, next step :p
[11:42] <shivan___> hi , any one has already use pbuilder ? , i want to create a ubuntu-PIV repository, but the way to build all package is not clear for me
[11:42] <jasp> my kernel is 2.6.10-5-386 and i want to use 2.6.11, but when i try to use the new image gnome don't start!!
[11:44] <jasp> 2.6.11 from kernel.org
[11:45] <ciocanel> I'm having some problems with sound in vlc, cannot open /dev/dsp... can anyone give me a hint?
[11:45] <thoreauputic> ciocanel: try sudo killall esd
[11:46] <ciocanel> thoreauputic, nope, esd is not nunning
[11:46] <Addius> thoreauputic: when I made an apt-get install for the linux-image it told me that it was already up to date, would that refer to the one that came with the kernel-package?
[11:46] <thoreauputic> Addius: I think you may be confused - kernel-package is for compiling your own
[11:47] <thoreauputic> Addius: kernel images are ready to go binaries...
[11:47] <thoreauputic> linux-image, whatever
[11:47] <Addius> I am certainly confused.. I'm just following the howto in the ubuntu-wiki :p
[11:47] <Addius> but okay, that step wasn't needed and I'll head on to the next, thanks :p
[11:47] <thoreauputic> Addius: what are you trying to achieve?
[11:48] <Addius> thoreauputic: erhm, being able to patch and rebuild the kernel so I can get a zd1201 module working.. a pain I know =/
[11:49] <thoreauputic> Addius: to rebuild the kernel you need to install linux-source
[11:49] <paxon> How to autostart in KDE?
[11:49] <Riddell> paxon: autostart what?
[11:49] <paxon> Riddell, process?
[11:49] <thoreauputic> paxon: put a script in ~/.kde/Autostart
[11:50] <paxon> Thanks.
[11:50] <microhaxo> bah
[11:50] <microhaxo> guys
[11:50] <microhaxo> i slept till 3pm should i just stay up the whole night
[11:50] <microhaxo> its 5 am
[11:50] <microhaxo> lol
[11:50] <Dalkus> Try sleeping :P
[11:50] <microhaxo> i can
[11:50] <microhaxo> but its 5 am
[11:50] <microhaxo> should i?
[11:50] <Dalkus> yes :P
[11:50] <Addius> thoreauputic: yah, and when I tried it told me it was already up to date, which made me wonder
[11:50] <microhaxo> or should i stay up the rest of day and sleep at like 6?
[11:50] <Dalkus> microhaxo, your choice.... :\
[11:50] <microhaxo> lol
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> er 5am is counted as the whole night
[11:51] <microhaxo> yea
[11:51] <microhaxo> i kno
[11:51] <microhaxo> i figure at 8 am i will poop out :|
[11:51] <poningru> sleep at 6
[11:51] <microhaxo> LOL?
[11:51] <microhaxo> i figure
[11:51] <paxon> Ty for reminding me, I should get some sleep in the coming days.
[11:51] <microhaxo> if i stay up till 8
[11:51] <thoreauputic> Addius: dpkg -L linux-source*
[11:51] <poningru> much better
[11:51] <microhaxo> ill sleep till 10
[11:51] <microhaxo> and be fine for the day
[11:52] <Dalkus> don't keep that up for too long, microhaxo
[11:52] <microhaxo> where does wget save things too
[11:52] <microhaxo> yea i know
[11:52] <microhaxo> bad for me
[11:52] <Dalkus> I used to do that pretty much every night, now I'm tired all day every day
[11:52] <microhaxo> lol
[11:52] <Dalkus> and I'm sixteen....
[11:52] <microhaxo> sucks
[11:52] <Dalkus> :\
[11:52] <microhaxo> im 17
[11:52] <Nermal> good for you
[11:52] <microhaxo> lol
[11:52] <microhaxo> where
[11:52] <Dalkus> but true geeks dont sleep :)
[11:52] <microhaxo> does wget save shit?
[11:52] <Dalkus> UK.
[11:52] <Dalkus> sure
[11:52] <Nermal> microhaxo, it downloads files yes
[11:52] <thoreauputic> Addius: actually, sorry try dpkg -l | grep linux
[11:52] <microhaxo> uea
[11:52] <microhaxo> where
[11:53] <microhaxo> what folder?
[11:53] <Nermal> in the current directory
[11:53] <Dalkus> wherever you say
[11:53] <poningru> actually not so bad
[11:53] <microhaxo> ah
[11:53] <Dalkus> wget http://whatever.com/file.htm folder
[11:53] <poningru> you just go noctornol after a while
[11:53] <Nermal> "directory"
[11:53] <Dalkus> you can specify a folder
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> nocturnal
[11:53] <poningru> and hence the tiredness during morn
[11:54] <microhaxo> WTH is goin on
[11:54] <microhaxo> i dloaded a file with WGET
[11:54] <microhaxo> and it says md5 checksum bad!
[11:54] <microhaxo> bs
[11:55] <selinium> hi there thoreauputic!
[11:55] <davidw> question about the live CD's: do they use the same software as Ubuntu, or is it just a hacked morphix/something else?
[11:55] <thoreauputic> microhaxo: so it isn't konq's fault, evidently
[11:55] <microhaxo> yea
[11:55] <microhaxo> i guess
[11:56] <microhaxo> how stupid are you to host a file that doesnt meat the checksum?
[11:56] <davidw> I'm curious because I would like to know if Ubuntu's NTPL implementation is broken like Debian's
[11:56] <Nermal> microhaxo, as stupid as someone who can't spell "meet" ?
[11:56] <selinium> thoreauputic: i seem to be having a similar problem printing as that chap yesterday! can you give me a hand?
[11:56] <m0rphx> davidw: I think it's the same software
[11:56] <thoreauputic> davidw: warty used a morphix method, hoary is basically identical with the install CD
[11:56] <Nermal> microhaxo, bad download / bad ram ?
[11:57] <thoreauputic> selinium: I seem to recall he did an "rmmod lp " ?
[11:57] <forsaker8k6>  anyone know which is the dev of a bluetooth connected hardware?
[11:57] <microhaxo> anyone have any alternate links?
[11:57] <microhaxo> for ET
[11:57] <davidw> thoreauputic, cool, I will test my bug out on that, then
[11:58] <davidw> man, I wish I had about 5 or 6 machines just to play with:-/
[11:59] <pepsi> microhaxo, what are you doing now?
[11:59] <microhaxo> re downloading
[11:59] <microhaxo> ET
[11:59] <microhaxo> :|
[12:00] <pepsi> from where?
[12:00] <microhaxo> fileshack
[12:00] <microhaxo> :|
[12:00] <microhaxo> anyone got a FAST MIRROR?
[12:00] <microhaxo> like 700kb/s
[12:00] <microhaxo> ?
[12:00] <Nermal> hush
[12:00] <microhaxo> :|
[12:01] <pepsi> i bet you'd settle for 200k/sec
[12:01] <pepsi> you
[12:01] <pepsi> 're desperate
[12:01] <davidw> BRB
[12:02] <davidw> ah, utf-8 is better...
[12:02] <selinium> thoreauputic:  not working for me :(  The printer willnot come on line, if i put the command in the application hangs. My other half gets this on her loggin, maybe it is a security thing? Not that I have changed anything.... I think..... :)
[12:03] <ivoks> hi :)
[12:03] <ivoks> i have one python related problem... could anyone halp me? :)
[12:03] <housetier> yes
[12:03] <cazabam> probably :)
[12:03] <thoreauputic> selinium: does it only happen on her login?
[12:03] <ivoks> when i start bledner for example, i get:
[12:04] <thoreauputic> selinium: if so, she may not be in the right groups?
[12:04] <ivoks> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback \ No installed Python found.
[12:04] <housetier> ivoks, with close to 10 billion people on this planet chances are high somebody might help you
[12:04] <Nermal> 6 billion
[12:04] <selinium> thoreauputic: it used to, but now it is doing it on mine! I might have changed something in my groups yesterday... How do I sort it?
[12:04] <microhaxo> hahaha
[12:04] <microhaxo> 2mbit download from file planet
[12:04] <microhaxo> :D
[12:05] <thoreauputic> selinium: first type " groups" to see which ones you/she are in
[12:05] <Nermal> ignore time
[12:05] <cazabam> ivoks: what version of python you have installed?
[12:05] <ivoks> cazabam: 2.3 and 2.4
[12:06] <thoreauputic> selinium: for reference, the first user would be in these -  adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin
[12:06] <thoreauputic> selinium: note the lpadmin group
[12:07] <TommyH> Hi, does anyone know how to increase the refresh rate of the remote desktop client?
[12:07] <selinium> thoreauputic:  I have screwed my groups up, I have only got audio! How do I sort it. I am a dumb ass!
[12:07] <thoreauputic> selinium:  sudo adduser selinium lpadmin
[12:07] <thoreauputic> for instance
[12:07] <thoreauputic> selinium: or you can do it in gnome as well (GUI)
[12:08] <davidw> ciao..
[12:08] <selinium> thoreauputic:  For each one, or can i sudo adduser selinium adm dialout cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev lpadmin scanner admin  ?
[12:08] <thoreauputic> selinium: note that the admin group has sudoers rights
[12:08] <cazabam> ivoks: you have PYTHONPATH set?
[12:08] <thoreauputic> selinium: no that won't work :)
[12:09] <ivoks> cazabam: hm, no...
[12:09] <zyth> what's the best way for me to install wine?
[12:09] <Nermal> apt-get install wine ?
[12:09] <thoreauputic> selinium: easiest to use the graphical method, or repeat the command by using the up arrow and editing the end of the line
[12:09] <Nermal> with sudo obviously
[12:09] <selinium> thoreauputic:  I  sudo adduser selinium audio last night and now that is the only one.... What did i do wrong? can you tell?
[12:09] <ivoks> cazabam: but that I don't need
[12:09] <zyth> yes, but I don't know how to configure it, or is it automatically done?
[12:09] <Nermal> edit wine.conf I guess
[12:10] <thoreauputic> selinium: no I don't know
[12:10] <cazabam> ivoks: how so?
[12:10] <Nermal> or install a tk frontend
[12:10] <selinium> thoreauputic:  how do you use the gui to do it? Just interested :)
[12:10] <ivoks> cazabam: on other machines i don't have PYTHONPATH
[12:10] <ivoks> cazabam: and everything works..
[12:10] <thoreauputic> selinium: I'm in fluxbox :)
[12:10] <ivoks> cazabam: hm.. are we talking about env varibles or something else? :)
[12:10] <selinium> thoreauputic:  Is it much better?
[12:10] <thoreauputic> selinium: what?
[12:11] <steob> Anyone help a total newbie get his sound card workin on Hoary?
[12:11] <cazabam> ivoks: yes, environment variable $PYTHONPATH
[12:11] <cazabam> hmmm...
[12:11] <cazabam> same version of blender?
[12:11] <ivoks> cazabam: check your export
[12:11] <ivoks> cazabam: you don;'t have it either :)
[12:11] <ivoks> cazabam: it's not only blender, all python apps
[12:11] <Nermal> steob, should be working
[12:12] <thoreauputic> selinium: just do the adduser thing and add all the relevant groups, then logout/login
[12:12] <selinium> thoreauputic:  Fluxbox
[12:12] <cazabam> ivoks: oh, ok - it's just thatthere is a specific blender bug open for that...
[12:12] <thoreauputic> selinium: I like it - tastes vary ;)
[12:12] <selinium> thoreauputic:  Cheers!
[12:12] <cazabam> ivoks: if you just type 'python'  do you get the python shell?
[12:13] <ivoks> cazabam: well... this isn't blender bug :(
[12:13] <selinium> thoreauputic:  send me a screenshot, if you can :)
[12:13] <ivoks> cazabam: yep, 2.4.1
[12:13] <thoreauputic> selinium: well, an old cluttered one from last year :)
[12:13] <cazabam> ivoks: what happens if you type 'import site;'
[12:13] <selinium> thoreauputic:  OL
[12:14] <selinium> thoreauputic:  Ok even
[12:14] <steob> Nermal: it's not though - I'm trying to install alsa stuff as per Bug  2090
[12:14] <ivoks> cazabam: errors
[12:14] <microhaxo> installin ET
[12:15] <ivoks> cazabam: Traceback (most recent call last): \  File "<stdin>", line 1, in ? \ ImportError: No module named site
[12:15] <microhaxo> then ill play it a bit
[12:15] <microhaxo> then
[12:15] <thoreauputic> selinium: http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/screenshots/fluxboxfirefoxrox.jpg
[12:15] <microhaxo> BOOT to windows to play BF2 demo
[12:15] <notos> hello does any one have stability problems with firefox?
[12:15] <microhaxo> DAMMIT thats it
[12:15] <cazabam> ivoks: what files you have in /usr/lib/python... etc etc
[12:15] <microhaxo> bullshit
[12:16] <microhaxo> ...WARNING: could not set the given mode (4)
[12:16] <ivoks> cazabam: just a sec...
[12:16] <microhaxo> Received signal 11, exiting...
[12:16] <ivoks> cazabam: i have wrong declaration of pythonhome
[12:16] <cazabam> :)
[12:16] <selinium> thoreauputic:  pretty! I think I will stick with what I know (which isn't a great deal!
[12:16] <thoreauputic> selinium: or>> http://users.fishinternet.com.au/~peterg/screenshots/fluxfirefoxmenusint.jpg
[12:17] <dgtl>  hi everyone
[12:17] <microhaxo> WTF IS SIGNAL 11?W!
[12:17] <microhaxo> Received signal 11, exiting...
[12:17] <Nermal> segfault fool
[12:17] <cazabam> hi dgtl
[12:17] <Nermal> you probably have dodgy memory
[12:17] <Nermal> would explain the incorrect md5 sums
[12:17] <microhaxo> Bullshit
[12:17] <microhaxo> You are using software Mesa (no hardware acceleration)!
[12:17] <microhaxo>  Driver DLL used: libGL.so.1
[12:17] <steob> anyone help a newbie with alsa driver install?
[12:17] <dgtl> anyone know how to get the computer/file system on the desktop?
[12:17] <microhaxo> NO I AM NOT
[12:17] <Nermal> yes you are!
[12:17] <Nermal> ;)
[12:17] <selinium> thoreauputic:  when I tried to add myself to the admin group it said no such group. is this a problem?
[12:17] <Seveas> microhaxo, relax...
[12:18] <microhaxo> DAMMIT
[12:18] <cazabam> dgtl: how to you mean?
[12:18] <Seveas> you either have bad memory or you installed some crappy stuff
[12:18] <microhaxo> how the @%@#% did my drivers go back to MESSA!
[12:18] <Nermal> dgtl, ummm... gconf-editor
[12:18] <thoreauputic> selinium: is sudo working ? Is this hoary?
[12:18] <Nermal> microhaxo, hush
[12:18] <thoreauputic> selinium: it didn't exist on warty
[12:18] <microhaxo> MOTHERSUCKIN FLUGFIFALFFFFF@@@@@@@@@
[12:18] <Nermal> maybe dpkg --configure -a
[12:18] <dgtl> Nermal: ok, where's it located? (in gconf-editor)
[12:18] <Seveas> microhaxo, please cool down a bit
[12:19] <Nermal> dgtl, one sec
[12:19] <cazabam> microhaxo: did you install Nvidia drivers from tarball or from package?
[12:19] <selinium> thoreauputic:  Hoary, maybe i mistyped something
[12:19] <selinium> thoreauputic:  sudo is working
[12:19] <cazabam> dgtl: I'd have a look but I'm stuck on an XP box... :(
[12:19] <Seveas> selinium, it doesn't exist on hoary if you upgraded from warty
[12:19] <Nermal> dgtl, apps -> nautilus -> desktop
[12:19] <Seveas> selinium, but you can easily add it
[12:19] <Nermal> dgtl, and apps -> nautilus ->preferences
[12:20] <dgtl> Nermal: thanks alot, it would have taken me ages to find that
[12:20] <dgtl> :)
[12:20] <thoreauputic> selinium: if you look at /etc/sudoers I think htere's a line that says the "admin" group has sudo rights by default -but if sudo is working I guess you are OK
[12:20] <Nermal> dgtl, is that what you wanted ?
[12:20] <dgtl> yeah
[12:20] <selinium> Seveas: Cheers
[12:20] <Nermal> dgtl, :)
[12:20] <Dalkus> steob, http://
[12:20] <Dalkus> er
[12:20] <Dalkus> steob, http://ubuntuguide.org
[12:20] <Dalkus> that has a guide on it, I think
[12:20] <Seveas> ubuntuguide is bad
[12:21] <Seveas> it has no guides
[12:21] <Seveas> just command listings
[12:21] <steob> I been there but my gcc aint working so I can't seem to compile anyhting
[12:21] <cazabam> ubuntuguide ROCKS!
[12:21] <Seveas> guides explain things...
[12:21] <Dalkus> Seveas, it still helps
[12:21] <Nermal> I think ubuntuguide is ok
[12:21] <selinium> thoreauputic:  Seveas has just said if i up graded from warty it wont exist. So no problem
[12:21] <Nermal> but it not as dynamic as the wiki
[12:21] <steob> gettin:
[12:21] <steob> /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10/scripts/gcc-version.sh: line 11: gcc: command not found
[12:21] <ivoks> cazabam: i located problem
[12:21] <cazabam> ubuntuguide is good for 'post isntall checklist' :)
[12:21] <Dalkus> steob, sudo apt-get install gcc
[12:21] <thoreauputic> selinium: ah - OK :)
[12:21] <Seveas> steob, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[12:21] <cazabam> ivoks: mm?
[12:21] <ivoks> cazabam: thanks for idea with ENV variables
[12:21] <steob> which one?
[12:21] <Dalkus> yeah, do the second - sorry
[12:22] <steob> ok thanks brb
[12:22] <cazabam> did you have pythonhome pointing to 2.3 or something?
[12:22] <ivoks> cazabam: this isn't my computer, but from one of my clients
[12:22] <cazabam> aaah
[12:22] <Seveas> ubuntuguide is bad, fortunately the docteam is making a good version of it :)
[12:22] <ivoks> cazabam: he put pythonhome in security/pam_env.conf pointing to his home :)
[12:22] <paxon> And a book is coming you said.
[12:22] <thoreauputic> Nermal: ubuntuguide is like the curate's egg - good in parts ;)
[12:22] <Nermal> thoreauputic, aye
[12:23] <Nermal> thoreauputic, can get out of date quickly though
[12:23] <selinium> Seveas: where would we be able to see this new version. Or can't we yet?
[12:23] <thoreauputic> Nermal: hence the rotten egg reference :)
[12:23] <ivoks> cazabam: he even hardcoded to /home/user_name
[12:23] <ivoks> cazabam: so for all users, it was /home/his_user_name :)
[12:23] <Seveas> selinium, not yet, it'll be released soon i guess
[12:24] <ivoks> cazabam: hype brings this kind of people too :))
[12:24] <cazabam> ivoks: how did he get into pam_env.conf anyway? bit odd for a wild guess?!?
[12:24] <ivoks> cazabam: ah, he has root account :)
[12:24] <cazabam> the bind moggle
[12:24] <cazabam> s
[12:24] <cazabam> he _has_ root, or he _is_ root?
[12:24] <ivoks> cazabam: well pam_env.conf is place to define env variables
[12:24] <ivoks> cazabam: but... this guy is crazy :)
[12:24] <cazabam> fair enough then :)
[12:24] <selinium> Cheers thoreauputic and Seveas: off for a reboot!
[12:25] <Seveas> selinium, why?
[12:25] <thoreauputic> selinium: hmm... just logout/login
[12:25] <Seveas> one should only reboot on kernel upgrades :)
[12:25] <paxon> lol
[12:25] <thoreauputic> selinium: your groups should appear then
[12:25] <selinium> Cheers thoreauputic and Seveas: OK :)
[12:26] <Addius> thoreauputic: sorry about that, had to take a shower.. erhm, dpkg -l linux didn't find any packages anyhow
[12:27] <thoreauputic> Addius: well, you wouldn't have the kernel / linux source on a default install
[12:27] <tiglionabbit> grah, I still have this problem
[12:27] <tiglionabbit> some fonts do not show up in firefox
[12:28] <thoreauputic> Addius: so you definitely would have to install it: but if this is for a driver, you probably only need the headers anyway
[12:28] <Addius> thoreauputic: hm.. so getting it from the archive then?
[12:28] <tiglionabbit> http://css.maxdesign.com.au/selectutorial/selectors_attribute.htm  I can't see the things in the white areas on this page
[12:28] <tiglionabbit> what do I do about this?
[12:28] <thoreauputic> Addius: are you sure you need to recompile the whole kernel?
[12:29] <forsaker8k6> uff.. it's three days that i'm trying withouth success to switch my display manager from gdm to entrance...
[12:29] <thoreauputic> Addius: linux-headers-$(uname -r) would probably be enough...
[12:30] <forsaker8k6> anyone has done it before?
[12:30] <Addius> erhm, that's what the guide tells me to, ack hehe
[12:30] <thoreauputic> Addius: which guide is this?
[12:30] <Addius> erhm, moment
[12:31] <Seveas> guides that tell you to recompile a kernel ar bad guides in 90% of the cases
[12:31] <Fikrann> Hello all
[12:31] <Addius> thoreauputic: http://linux-lc100020.sourceforge.net/ (I've been trying to do the first step in their readme, which is patching the kernel, heh)
[12:32] <thoreauputic> Addius: umm.... try to find an ubuntu wiki guide if you can - that would be a generic guide
[12:33] <Seveas> Addius, you could better patch the wlan-ng driver and recompile that
[12:33] <Seveas> not the whole kernel
[12:33] <Addius> I searched the board and the only hits that told me anything was more or less the same as what that one
[12:33] <Seveas> or even easier: just use ndiswrapper and the windows driver
[12:33] <Seveas> that'll save you from a lot of hassle
[12:34] <Church_of_FoamY> i just got my ubuntu cd's in yesterday
[12:34] <Addius> aff, I've had unpleasantries with ndiswrapper before.. it's something I've thought of though yeah, but I'd rather get this working
[12:34] <Church_of_FoamY> ^_^
[12:34] <Church_of_FoamY> they are so nice
[12:35] <Church_of_FoamY> for free thats the best presentation of a product that i've seen
[12:35] <Church_of_FoamY> ever.
[12:35] <Seveas> Addius, ndiswrapper on Ubuntu works painlessly :)
[12:36] <Addius> aff, tempting ;_;
[12:36] <Seveas> :)
[12:36] <Fikrann> Seveas: this depends on a card and windoze driver quality. Not all cards work painlessly even if so advertised.
[12:36] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install ndiswrapper-utils linux-686 (linux-k7 if you're on AMD)
[12:37] <Seveas> Fikrann, true...
[12:37] <Addius> hm, but still shouldn't be that hard just getting a kernel into /src/ so I can do whatever I want with it now and then.
[12:37] <selinium> thoreauputic:  Works a treat... Just when I start to think i am getting the hang of linux, i realise how little I now!
[12:37] <cazabam> Anyone expert in acx100 wlan card problems?
[12:37] <thoreauputic> selinium: glad to hear it worked ! :)
[12:38] <Seveas> Addius, it isn't :)
[12:38] <selinium> thoreauputic:  where are you in Aus?
[12:38] <Fikrann> Seveas: I was once trying to set up ndiswrapper with m$ card on my friend's hardware .. it worked okay, as long as ESSID was MSHOME.. the driver was not accepting essid changes.
[12:38] <Seveas> apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r)
[12:38] <thoreauputic> selinium: there are Unix greybeards with 30 years experience still learning...
[12:38] <Seveas> rfol Fikrann :)
[12:38] <Addius> Seveas: ah, the problem is, I don't have a internet connection yet
[12:38] <Seveas> Addius, ah :|
[12:38] <thoreauputic> selinium: about 90 km south of Sydney
[12:39] <Nermal> Church_of_FoamY, hoary ?
[12:39] <Seveas> that sucks, apt kinda counts in it
[12:39] <Addius> otherwise I'd be done with this long ago, hehe
[12:39] <Seveas> on*
[12:39] <Addius> yah I know, I usually use Gentoo and portage without internet is just as close to worthless
[12:39] <Addius> hm..
[12:39] <selinium> thoreauputic:  my brother is in Melbourne but is thinking of moving to Sydney. I'll get him to buy you a beer on the way through! :D
[12:40] <Church_of_FoamY> the ubuntu hoary edition
[12:40] <thoreauputic> selinium: heheh
[12:40] <Church_of_FoamY> it works peachy
[12:40] <glDaher> I am using Network Monitor 2.10.0 ... applet for gnome, and I got a problem that is, whenever I change my dns settings to something, it is changed back to 10.0.0.x forgot the actual number, but it will come back to it sooner or later
[12:40] <Church_of_FoamY> and the product presentation is awsome
[12:40] <glDaher> is this some kind of settings in pppoeconf ?
[12:40] <steob> thanks - I got gcc so I can compile now but:
[12:40] <steob> when I do this alsa-driver-1.0.9rc4a # ./configure
[12:40] <Nermal> Church_of_FoamY, the power of having a multi-millionaire behind a distro eh ?
[12:41] <Addius> Seveas: just a thought, would downloading linux-image-'whatever' from the archive and then use dpkg -l on it work in my case?
[12:41] <steob> I get:
[12:41] <Nermal> steob, don't paste too much
[12:41] <steob> ok
[12:41] <Seveas> Addius, depends on wherher you grab the correct one
[12:41] <Nermal> or use pastebin.com
[12:41] <Seveas> steob, look at the topic
[12:41] <steob> file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist.
[12:41] <Seveas> use paste.ubuntulinux.nl for large pastes
[12:41] <steob> is that too much?>
[12:41] <steob> ok
[12:41] <Nermal> steob, install the linux headers
[12:41] <Seveas> steob, aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:42] <steob> beautiful thanks, brb (sorry!)
[12:42] <Addius> Seveas: it's all up to the dice then I guess :p
[12:42] <Nermal> Seveas, nice line :)
[12:42] <Seveas> Addius, you want linux-image-2.6.10-5-686 (for intel)
[12:42] <glDaher> ah here it is again, it is 10.0.0.138 :(
[12:42] <Seveas> Addius, you want linux-image-2.6.10-5-k7 (for amd (not amd64, but ndiswrapper wont work with that anyway))
[12:43] <Addius> ok
[12:43] <YuWei> hi all, i am new to linux, how can i play a .rm movie from another windows computer?
[12:43] <Seveas> YuWei: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:43] <Seveas> look for realmedia on that page
[12:43] <YuWei> ok, thx
[12:43] <Fikrann> glDaher: You shouldn't rely on gui tools to configure your system without glitches.
[12:43] <Addius> Seveas: if I've been using the generic i386 untill now should I continue with that or go for the k7?
[12:44] <Seveas> Addius, go for K7
[12:44] <steob> ok I got the headers, do I 'uname -r' now?
[12:44] <Seveas> steob, ghe
[12:44] <glDaher> Fikrann: I know, but it is the only place I could find the problem
[12:44] <Seveas> you dhould have tyoped that command exactly :)
[12:44] <Seveas> aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:44] <steob> i did - it didn't like the (
[12:45] <steob> ahh, no space?
[12:45] <Addius> Do you have that one on a speedbutton Seveas? :p
[12:45] <Seveas> steob, no
[12:45] <steob> doh
[12:45] <glDaher> Fikrann: btw, when I change it in the gui, it does work, but after a while no dns in any app and even ping couldnt' find google
[12:45] <thoreauputic> steob: no space
[12:45] <Seveas> Addius, no :)
[12:45] <Seveas> glDaher, dns server settings are managed by dhclient, and that can screw up things for you
[12:45] <steob> ok gottit ta
[12:45] <Church_of_FoamY> no it not the power of having a multi millionare behind the distro
[12:45] <Seveas> glDaher, as root, edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[12:46] <Fikrann> glDaher: put your dns info into /etc/resolv.conf, then chattr +i it.
[12:46] <Seveas> make sure it does not request name servers
[12:46] <Seveas> Fikrann, no
[12:46] <Seveas> that's the bad way :)
[12:46] <glDaher> oh
[12:46] <Church_of_FoamY> it the pwer of free minds being well.....free
[12:46] <glDaher> dhclient?
[12:46] <Fikrann> Seveas: yes, but it's the fastest and most foolproof }:>
[12:46] <Seveas> dhclient, the program that gets you an ip address
[12:47] <YuWei> seveas, i think i didn't make myself clear, i want to  play the .rm from another computer through the LAN.
[12:47] <Seveas> Fikrann, that it is :)
[12:47] <Fikrann> dhclient3, even
[12:47] <steob> ok still getting the kernel verion.h file does not exist?
[12:47] <Seveas> YuWei, ah :)
[12:47] <steob> version even
[12:47] <Seveas> YuWei, is the other pc running windows, and is the folder that contains the file a shared folder?
[12:47] <Church_of_FoamY> an os shoulden't contain you or restrain you it should allow you to do what you want
[12:47] <Fikrann> steob: go to /usr/src and unpack the tar.gz you'll find there.
[12:47] <YuWei> yes
[12:48] <steob> ok ty
[12:48] <Church_of_FoamY> ubuntu does just that
[12:48] <Seveas> steob, you might have to manually ln -s /use/src/linux-2.6.10-something /usr/src/linux
[12:48] <cheikh> teste
[12:48] <Seveas> Church_of_FoamY, bull...
[12:48] <Slomp> What's special about Ubuntu?
[12:48] <Church_of_FoamY> how you figure?
[12:48] <Church_of_FoamY> it just works
[12:48] <catfox> hi all. any ideas why a kernel wont boot with no error output at all?
[12:48] <Church_of_FoamY> i know nothing of linux and it was easy for me
[12:48] <Church_of_FoamY> to install
[12:48] <YuWei> Seveas, yes that computer running windows and share the .rm file in a share folder
[12:49] <glDaher> Seveas: nothing in there that I can do... I'll check resolv.conf
[12:49] <Church_of_FoamY> and learn to use
[12:49] <Seveas> Church_of_FoamY, ah ok, i misunderstood you i guess
[12:49] <cheikh> hi
[12:49] <Church_of_FoamY> oh ok
[12:49] <Church_of_FoamY> lol
[12:49] <Seveas> Church_of_FoamY, i though you meant Ubuntu is restricting you :)
[12:49] <Church_of_FoamY> dude i am totally for ubuntu
[12:49] <Church_of_FoamY> fuck no
[12:49] <Seveas> sorry :)
[12:49] <Church_of_FoamY> ^_^
[12:49] <Fikrann> catfox: Too little information to suggest anything.
[12:49] <Church_of_FoamY> dude i've used it for 2 monthes now
[12:49] <Addius> nyuur.. it claimed that there where no packages that went with the image..
[12:50] <Church_of_FoamY> and i have never been happiyer with an os
[12:50] <Seveas> YuWei, go to the menu places-> connect to server and connect to the windows machine
[12:50] <Seveas> and you also need a realmedia player installed, see that page I gave you for instructions on that
[12:51] <Seveas> Slomp, the special thing about Ubuntu is that it just works, has a great release schedule, is both stable and recent and has a great community
[12:51] <Seveas> it simply rocks :)
[12:51] <catfox> Fikrann, thats all i have :) i tried to build a custom kernel, but when i boot it, i get past grub then nothing
[12:52] <Church_of_FoamY> ditto
[12:52] <Church_of_FoamY> i have been able to hand out 50 ubuntu cd's to people places
[12:52] <Church_of_FoamY> and some of them love it
[12:52] <snowblink> Is there an RSS viewer screen saver?
[12:52] <Scorpinf> need help. how do i split files with rar?, i want them 200mb rar r01 r02 etc...
[12:53] <Scorpinf> i can't get it to work
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> Scorpinf: you don't
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> just make it one large file
[12:53] <Addius> well atleast I found out that certain packages can't be installed from a portable medium, strange
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> or use splut
[12:53] <HrdwrBoB> split
[12:53] <newbhie> how can i properly unplug usb on hoary?
[12:53] <snowblink> catfox, initrd?
[12:54] <newbhie> umount does'nt kill the power supply
[12:54] <catfox> snowblink, hmm, didn't create one.
[12:54] <Fikrann> newbhie: after you umount it, you can safely plug it out.
[12:54] <steob> ok I owe people beers and stuff - now compiling my alsa stuff, thanks a bundle ;)
[12:54] <thoreauputic> Addius: they kind of can, but you need all dependencies to succeed - which can be *very* tricky
[12:54] <Seveas> Scorpinf, rar on linux is nonfree, why not use tar and gzip?
[12:54] <HrdwrBoB> or bzip2 if you prefer
[12:54] <snowblink> catfox, give it a go with initrd in
[12:55] <Addius> Seveas: erhm.. I installed the new linux-image, but it put everything directly into /boot/ o_O
[12:55] <Seveas> Addius, it should :)
[12:55] <newbhie> Fikrann:but my usb still lighting
[12:55] <Fikrann> HrdwrBoB: bzip can't compress multiple files.
[12:55] <andyN> hi all
[12:55] <catfox> snowblink, will do, ta
[12:55] <Fikrann> newbhie: yes, it will.
[12:55] <Scorpinf> Seveas: how do i work it?
[12:55] <Seveas> Fikrann, that's what tar is for :)
[12:55] <Addius> Seveas: okay, so I do my config and rebuilding there? o_O
[12:56] <HrdwrBoB> Fikrann: neither can gzip
[12:56] <Seveas> Addius, ehm, no, for that yoy need the source package
[12:56] <newbhie> it will never harm my usb drive?
[12:56] <Fikrann> Seveas: or cpio. Or shar. or damn billion other compress&store programs.
[12:57] <learn25> hello evryone
[12:57] <andyN> can anybody help me with a problem??
[12:57] <Nermal> andyN, just ask
[12:57] <andyN> learn25>>morning....
[12:57] <Addius> Seveas: erhm, but I thought I already had installed the source package, ack, now I'm getting confused, isn't there just any tgz out there that I can tar out into /src/ and whatever I want with?
[12:57] <learn25> i downloaded dhcp using apt-get install dhcp. But it failed to start.
[12:57] <learn25> help
[12:58] <andyN> Nermal: im trying to install SQL-Ledger..... do you know anything bout it??
[12:58] <catfox>  snowblink now i get "mknod: failed to create /dev/console" i guess i've left something important out?
[12:58] <Nermal> andyN, no :|
[12:58] <Fikrann> catfox: trying to install your own kernel?
[12:58] <andyN> Nermal>>damn, thanx anyway....
[12:58] <Nermal> learn25, that would be the server
[12:58] <Nermal> a dhcp client should be installed by defaut
[12:59] <learn25> i want this to become a dhcp server
[12:59] <Nermal> o
[12:59] <Nermal> /etc/init.d/dhcp start
[12:59] <andyN> Nermal do u know anything bout sql server settings??
[12:59] <Nermal> but you'll need to configure it first
[12:59] <peter__> hi, i've installed ubuntu hoary on a sata disc, but I can't get DMA working. hdparm says: "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device", my chipset is using the via82cxxx module. Does anyone know how to enable DMA ?
[12:59] <Fikrann> learn25: dhcp server won't start till you configure it properly.
[12:59] <Nermal> andyN, only mysql
[12:59] <catfox> Fikrann, i am, aye
[12:59] <andyN> so if i asked u anything bout DBD-Pg??
[01:00] <Nermal> erm. .no
[01:00] <glDaher> Fikrann: it seem to have worked, I've changed my resolv.conf file ... and been like two min and it still work :D
[01:00] <Fikrann> peter__: this module is for PATA chipset.
[01:00] <catfox> Fikrann, any ideas on that error?
[01:00] <glDaher> but what could have been editing that file anyway?
[01:00] <peter__> Fikrann: sata_via is loaded aswell...
[01:00] <glDaher> it used to say servername 10.0.0.40
[01:01] <learn25> anybody knows how to configure dhcp server?
[01:01] <andyN> does anybody know anything bout postgreSQL??
[01:01] <GNULinuxer> bob2, what package contains eclipse?
[01:01] <learn25> i just installed dhcp
[01:01] <andyN> learn25: did u check the man pages??
[01:01] <Nermal> learn25, edit /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf
[01:02] <newbhie> does any known howto setup NIS?
[01:02] <newbhie> know*
[01:02] <Fikrann> catfox: yes, I've seen it quite often, long long time ago when I first tried devfs.
[01:02] <catfox> an right.
[01:02] <andyN> newbhie: how long have you been using linux??
[01:02] <Scorpinf> how do i split files in TAR ??
[01:02] <Scorpinf> i want them to be 200mb
[01:03] <catfox> Fikrann, i was thinking it might be something to do with ide support in the kernel
[01:03] <newbhie> 2 months?
[01:03] <newbhie> why?
[01:03] <catfox> Fikrann, i don't have devfs in there
[01:03] <Nermal> Scorpinf, tar them, then use split :)
[01:03] <andyN> newbhie: just asking, is it any good for you??
[01:03] <newbhie> i love linux right now.
[01:03] <Scorpinf> Nermal, can i unpack it in windows later?
[01:04] <Nermal> Scorpinf, erm.. dunno
[01:04] <karlos> andyN - 'bout a year now
[01:04] <newbhie> specially gconf editor.
[01:04] <andyN> karlos: and u like it??
[01:04] <Scorpinf> that's my problem i want to move a 6GB file to a FAT32 partition
[01:04] <andyN> newbhie: u into programming??
[01:04] <karlos> lots - would never go back to M$
[01:05] <andyN> karlos: same here, just a shame it doesnt really like games....
[01:05] <newbhie> yup, but i can't install wxwindows...coz it looks for x libs.
[01:05] <newbhie> so right now im setting up openmosix+nis+ltsp.
[01:05] <andyN> newbhie: ok, u into development??
[01:06] <Church_of_FoamY> i have been able to play UT04 steam half life counterstrike
[01:06] <Seveas> newbhie, install wxwindows from the repositories...
[01:06] <newbhie> yup.
[01:06] <karlos> that's true, or audio apps, i've been having headache getting midi working for months now
[01:06] <Church_of_FoamY> and i haven't had much isshues
[01:06] <Church_of_FoamY> i am totally using ubuntu now
[01:06] <newbhie> i dont have connection at home..
[01:06] <newbhie> so im just on cafe right now.
[01:07] <blah> so am I
[01:07] <Fikrann> newbhie: wxwindows is kind of pointless without X.
[01:07] <Church_of_FoamY> should bring you box thee and ask if you can hook it to there pipe
[01:07] <mikas> Scorpinf, 'rar a -v200000k foo.rar files to be rarred' or something likethat.. and maybe -m0 so it doesn't compress it if it is unnecessary.. type rar and it lists you all the options
[01:07] <andyN> newbhie: would u be interested in helping with a project??
[01:07] <newbhie> why did you say so?
[01:07] <andyN> karlos: do u do development work??
[01:07] <newbhie> but where busy with our ltsp+openmosix thesis.
[01:08] <blah> (making ...)
[01:08] <newbhie> andyN:you can email me at grexk@yahoo.com
[01:08] <karlos> is anyone here familiar with jack,alsa,midi and so on
[01:08] <karlos> andy: no
[01:08] <newbhie> so i can join u...wat would be the project?
[01:09] <andyN> newbhie: thanx, ill mail u soon and explain the project.
[01:09] <ivanox_> what project? Im curios :)
[01:09] <Nermal> Church_of_FoamY, good to hear
[01:09] <blah> project? (how to making ... in ....)
[01:10] <topyli> anyone in search of a project, port worms armageddon to linux. i'll put a $20 bounty on it :)
[01:10] <blah> o.o
[01:10] <andyN> ivanox_: its a small project... u into development??
[01:11] <blah> poisoner
[01:11] <Scorpinf> mikas, THANKS :-)
[01:11] <mikas> Scorpinf, np
[01:11] <topyli> good old rar to the rescue! :)
[01:12] <andyN> topyli: u mentioned worms.... u busy with the project??
[01:13] <blah> backhand is here...
[01:13] <ivanox_> andyN, no sorry.
[01:13] <topyli> andyN: no. i used to be addicted to worms so i'd just like to see it happen :)
[01:13] <notos> Has any one experienced Problems win firefox 1.04 like freezing?
[01:14] <catfox> i think i've tracked the problem down to tmpfs not being enabled. but tmpfs doesn't show up in my menuconfig options. anyideas what it depends on to be enabled?
[01:14] <steob> sorry back again - I've managed to compile the ALSA drivers & libs but trying to ./configure the utils I get...
[01:14] <steob> configure: error: this packages requires a curses library
[01:14] <andyN> ivanox_: we always need testers.
[01:14] <topyli> andyN: http://www.wormux.org/en/index.php =)
[01:14] <ivanox_> ok I can be a tester
[01:14] <blah> (found by.... XX?)
[01:15] <andyN> topyLi: thanx... ill check it out.... i also loved worms
[01:15] <Fikrann> catfox: its in the submenu in filesystems, the same place where you can enable devfs.
[01:15] <catfox> Fikrann, yeah in pseudo filesystems. but it's not in the list
[01:15] <gcc> guys i got warty , i refrshed my apt pack list and i see that still the packs are out of date what can i do?
[01:16] <ivanox_> worms the game? or worms that spreds like viruses?
[01:16] <thoreauputic> steob: sudo apt-get install libncurses5-dev
[01:16] <catfox> Fikrann,  it's not showing up, which i think means it depends on something else which isn't enabled?
[01:16] <andyN> ivanox_: the game actually....
[01:16] <topyli> ivanox_: windows users get to have both
[01:17] <steob> thanks thor
[01:17] <ivanox_> andyN, ok cool
[01:18] <ivanox_> topyli, yeah I know ;)
[01:18] <thoreauputic> steob: if you get errors like that, 99% sure you need a -dev lib (apt-cache search is your friend)
[01:18] <newbhie> can i use Gconf to change the behavior of Gnome archiev manager? Coz i been looking for it in Gconf?
[01:18] <andyN> ivanox_: check out the site topyli pasted
[01:18] <newbhie> or other ways...
[01:19] <steob> thanks thor - total newbie to linux (u don't need to be sherlock to figure that out)
[01:19] <topyli> newbhie: look at apps/file-roller
[01:19] <newbhie> andyN have you started the project u mention?
[01:19] <steob> ok installed ALSA stuff - anything else anyone can suggest before I reboot and see if the sound works?
[01:20] <newbhie> topyli: thanks for the info..
[01:20] <andyN> newbhie: in the process of taking over
[01:20] <andyN> newbhie: i got a site if u want to check it out.
[01:20] <Church_of_FoamY> http://ubuntuforums.org/journal.php?do=showjournal&j=64
[01:21] <karlos> -I have a problem -- whenever I open JAMIN my QJACKCTL crashes...all the buttons and widgets disappear -- any ideas??
[01:21] <steob> ok ty for the help, wish me luck
[01:21] <Fikrann> catfox: look for Virtual Memory File System (former shmfs)
[01:22] <andyN> karlos: get windows!! hehehe, no, seriously, DONT!!
[01:22] <Church_of_FoamY> ::::shivvers::
[01:22] <karlos> cheers -- I nearly did
[01:22] <karlos> perish the thought
[01:24] <catfox> Fikrann, not there either. i'm gonna restart the whole config process.
[01:24] <Fikrann> catfox: which kernel version are you trying to install?
[01:24] <catfox> 2.6.11
[01:25] <andyN> catfox: hi, u into development??
[01:26] <Fikrann> catfox: Virtual memory file system in Pseudo File Systems in File systems.
[01:26] <catfox> andyN, not kernel stuff. i'm a python programmer
[01:26] <newbhie> catfox:wow
[01:26] <catfox> Fikrann, yeah, i've looked up in the .config file where they are, but they're not showing up in a make xconfig
[01:27] <kvidell> Bryan Cantrill is a hillarious little man.
[01:27] <andyN> catfox: python.... so u can do sites aswell??
[01:27] <catfox> Fikrann, :) just starting out really. went for a job as linux tech support, but got a job as a developer
[01:27] <kvidell> I saw him speak today. Was hillarious :)
[01:27] <Fikrann> catfox: ditch xconfig, use menuconfig.
[01:27] <kvidell> (He wrote DTrace in Solaris 10/11-OpenSolaris)
[01:27] <catfox> andyN, have done some. learning zope/plone at the moment
[01:27] <Fikrann> Mmmm... Plon.
[01:27] <Fikrann> *Plone
[01:27] <newbhie> catfox zope/plone?
[01:27] <andyN> catfox: sweet.....
[01:28] <catfox> newbhie, zope is an application server written in python (zope.org) and plone is a cms ontop of it (plone.org)
[01:28] <Fikrann> newbhie: look at www.plone.org
[01:29] <newbhie> thanks for the info...just new to world of linux..huhuhu
[01:30] <andyN> catfox: u interested in helping with a project??
[01:30] <Seveas> andyN, this in not #getyourprogrammershere
[01:31] <Fikrann> hehe
[01:31] <shanon> Seveas: 8)
[01:31] <catfox> andyN, what's the project? i don't have much spare time these days with lots to learn :S
[01:31] <newbhie> lol : )
[01:32] <Seveas> have you cooled down a bit? :)
[01:32] <andyN> catfox: a small linux project, but dont worry, if u dont hav time....
[01:32] <Thomas2> Hi ... CAn anyone give me a hint which http port ubuntus squid runs on?
[01:32] <newbhie> catfox are you one of the author of that CMS?
[01:32] <catfox> andyN, maybe in the future i'll be able to help out
[01:33] <Fikrann> Thomas2: 8080
[01:33] <stimpie> Thomas2, netstat -ln
[01:33] <catfox> newbhie, nope, we just use it at work for some of our systems
[01:33] <Fikrann> Or anything you configure it to run at.
[01:33] <newbhie> so your on LAMP also?
[01:33] <microhaxo> yea
[01:33] <microhaxo> im fine now
[01:34] <microhaxo> but Enemy Territory says im using mesa when i have ATI installed and working GLXGEARS 7000fps
[01:34] <Seveas> microhaxo, read the ET manual then
[01:34] <Seveas> probably you need to change some settings
[01:34] <microhaxo> i cant even get into it
[01:34] <microhaxo> this may sound stupid
[01:34] <microhaxo> but
[01:35] <Fikrann> You don't need to run the game to read it's manual.
[01:35] <microhaxo> i cant see the folder where it extracted it
[01:35] <microhaxo> :|
[01:35] <Seveas> hehe :)
[01:35] <microhaxo> i think its hidden
[01:35] <microhaxo> lol
[01:35] <catfox> Fikrann, thanks for the help before, i think i'm almost there now :)
[01:35] <Seveas> microhaxo, in the file manager: view -> show hidden files
[01:35] <Fikrann> catfox: You're welcome. }:>
[01:36] <microhaxo> k
[01:36] <microhaxo> :D
[01:37] <newbhie> fikrann: can i ask sumthin, if you mine?
[01:37] <microhaxo> this is odd
[01:37] <microhaxo> ETWOLF folder
[01:37] <microhaxo> with nothing in it
[01:37] <microhaxo> lol
[01:38] <Fikrann> newbhie: You can ask, but I'm not a mine.
[01:38] <newbhie> lol, are you linux guru?hehe
[01:39] <newbhie> maybe, you could help me out if i get mess with my Hoary...
[01:39] <Fikrann> Eight years of experience as a Linux admin. So not guru yet.
[01:39] <newbhie> waaaaaaaaa.....
[01:39] <GNULinuxer> Fikrann, not a newbie, not yet a guru
[01:39] <GNULinuxer> Fikrann, that's me/you
[01:39] <newbhie> I have only use linux for 2 months...lol
[01:40] <microhaxo> seveas how do i change this
[01:40] <microhaxo> GL_RENDERER: Mesa GLX Indirect
[01:40] <Fikrann> microhaxo: read the fine manual you got along with your game.
[01:41] <Seveas> microhaxo, no idea
[01:41] <Seveas> i don't play ET :)
[01:41] <microhaxo> because for some reason im using ATI for 2d it seems and opengl or 3d is mesa?
[01:41] <cazabam> microhaxo: does GL stuff work for everything else?
[01:41] <microhaxo> wth
[01:41] <newbhie> Fikrann: so what other tool i can use to manage user on network? some sort of NIS.
[01:41] <microhaxo> yea
[01:41] <microhaxo> NExiuz
[01:41] <microhaxo> thats it
[01:41] <microhaxo> out of 3 games i have
[01:41] <microhaxo> thats the only one that works
[01:41] <microhaxo> lol
[01:42] <SS2> hello all how can i umunt a device although its still busy? (always get that error)
[01:42] <SS2> doing sudo umount -f
[01:42] <Choubaka> you shouldn't.
[01:42] <SS2> do you mean me?
[01:42] <Seveas> SS2, close everything that has files open on that drive...
[01:42] <Choubaka> yes. make sure you don't have any programs open accessing files in the mountpoint
[01:43] <SS2> well everything is closed
[01:43] <SS2> but still busy
[01:43] <andyN> ss2: when everythings closed, try umount again...
[01:43] <Seveas> SS2, lsof | grep /mount/point
[01:43] <SS2> nothing came out
[01:43] <microhaxo> Wow
[01:43] <microhaxo> GL_RENDERER: Mesa GLX Indirect
[01:44] <Choubaka> SS2: you didn't copy that verbatim? :P
[01:44] <SS2> yes i did
[01:44] <microhaxo> "Bottom line...You must recompile your kernel with an appropriate apgart module and the Direct Rendering Manager module for Ati Radeon. "
[01:44] <Choubaka> SS2: well, duh. :P
[01:44] <Seveas> SS2, replace /mount/point with the real mountpoint..
[01:44] <tecywiz121> hi, I am wondering if it is possible to get java  in ubuntu and how?
[01:44] <cazabam> microhaxo: recompile kernel? sounds a bit fishy
[01:44] <Seveas> tecywiz121: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[01:44] <cazabam> tecywiz121: check ubuntuguide.com and see the appendix - full instructions
[01:44] <tecywiz121> ok thx
[01:45] <Seveas> cazabam, ubuntuguide sucks wrt java...
[01:45] <cazabam> worked for me
[01:45] <SS2> seveas what should i replace? i just type in /media/forxtern to umount cause its mouted there
[01:45] <SS2> mounted
[01:45] <Seveas> the only way java will continue working even with breezy is using make-jpkg
[01:45] <Fikrann> Seveas: Java generally sucks
[01:45] <Seveas> Fikrann, ack
[01:45] <Seveas> SS2, lsof | grep /media/forxtern
[01:45] <SS2> thx
[01:46] <Fikrann> SS2: you must switch to another directory
[01:46] <cazabam> seveas: in what way does ubuntuguide suck wrt java? (just wondering - seems fine to me)
[01:46] <Fikrann> SS2: always do cd / before you umount something.
[01:46] <Seveas> cazabam, bad instructions
[01:47] <tecywiz121> cazaban: Oh, I also have 64-bit does that make a difference? Last time (with fedora) I had to get firefox for i386
[01:47] <cazabam> seveas: oh. just says add backports and so the right 'apt-get install' - I followed them just yesterday and it worked :)
[01:47] <Seveas> cazabam, if you do it 'the ubuntuguide way', things will break if you start using multple versions of java or gcj (gcj will be introduced as obligatory in Breezy)
[01:47] <Seveas> cazabam, these instructions are fine :)
[01:47] <Seveas> the backports repo has a good package
[01:47] <Seveas> but backports generally suck
[01:47] <SS2> fikrann: so now i went out of the directory in the console and tryed it, nothing went
[01:48] <cazabam> tecywix121: ok, just follow these instructions - didn't know about the gcj problem
[01:48] <Seveas> andyN, for the last time: this is not a programmers recruiting channel
[01:48] <cazabam> looks like I'll be re-fraggling my java packages tonight...
[01:48] <Seveas> and jumping into provate chats is impolite
[01:48] <SS2> fikrann: but typing lsof | grep /media/forxtern brought me: gam_serve 8245      simon  183r      DIR       3,11     4096     97345 /media/fo rxtern/testzone
[01:48] <andyN> Seveas: sorry..... just trying to get help...
[01:48] <Seveas> andyN, try getting it somewere else..
[01:48] <afonic> hi there
[01:48] <tecywiz121> cazabam, sry but I have to go... l8er mabye
[01:49] <afonic> I have a weird problem descibed here:
[01:49] <afonic> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42277
[01:49] <andyN> Seveas: i sense alot of hostility..... lol
[01:49] <Seveas> andyN, not really
[01:49] <afonic> I thought maybe any of you guys have something to suggest..
[01:49] <Seveas> but this is an Ubuntu help channel and you're creating noise
[01:50] <andyN> Seveas: you have to understand, im struggling with stuff.... do u know postgreSQL??
[01:50] <Choubaka> SS2: sp. that gam_server is reserving it :(
[01:50] <Fikrann> SS2: run kill 8245
[01:50] <Seveas> I have warned you...
[01:50] <SS2> choubaka: what is gam_server?
[01:50] <Choubaka> I have no idea :|
[01:51] <Choubaka> something gnome-related.
[01:51] <Seveas> SS2, it's a system process that can let other processes know when files have changed
[01:51] <Choubaka> ah, it's gamin?
[01:51] <Seveas> for instance to instantly refresh desktop and nautilus windows
[01:51] <Seveas> Choubaka, yes
[01:51] <Choubaka> I see.
[01:51] <SS2> so thanks all it worked:)
[01:51] <cazabam> gam_server is part of gamin file alteration monitor
[01:52] <SS2> ok never heard of it
[01:52] <Choubaka> mounting and unmounting is a bit confusing
[01:52] <newbhie> man mount and umount
[01:52] <Choubaka> especially when there can be some obscure app reserving the resource like in this case.
[01:52] <newbhie> info also
[01:53] <Choubaka> newbhie: I know how to use them thogh.
[01:53] <Fikrann> SS2: gam is a (smarter) replacement for FAM
[01:53] <albacker> root@galaxy:/mnt/hda5/BOOKS_eni/libra_te_marra_nga_ftp_html_etj # acroread unix.PDF
[01:53] <albacker> /usr/bin/acroread: line 12: /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread: No such file or directory
[01:53] <albacker> i have acroread installed..
[01:53] <Choubaka> newbhie: but it doesn't make mounting any less confusing
[01:53] <Seveas> albacker, there is a small error in the acroread package
[01:53] <newbhie> mount "device" "mount point"
[01:53] <albacker> Seveas any idea of what to do ?
[01:54] <Seveas> albacker, can you type the following command and paste the output on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:54] <newbhie> umount "device or mount point"
[01:54] <Seveas> slocate acroread
[01:54] <albacker> i installed acroread with apt-get. than removed and reinstalled the packages again. but the same problem
[01:54] <Choubaka> newbhie: I know. But think about it: You've closed all apps, and it still complains the resource is busy, even though no program is _obviously_ using it.
[01:54] <Choubaka> This is where a newbie would reboot.
[01:55] <Seveas> albacker, errors in packages don't magically go away when reinstalling them :)
[01:55] <Seveas> just type that command and put the output on the pastebin site, i'll teell you what to do next
[01:56] <albacker> i dont have slocate
[01:56] <newbhie> ah, I'm experiencing that also but after a minute i can umount the device...
[01:56] <afonic> hi there, I have a weird installation problem descibed here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42277
[01:56] <afonic> any hints?
[01:56] <albacker> or is it locate : Seveas
[01:56] <Seveas> albacker, have you installed ubuntu in a very weird way..?
[01:56] <Choubaka> newbhie: the minute is too long :/
[01:56] <Seveas> afonic, if someone had hints, (s)he would have said it, please do not repeat so quickly
[01:56] <Choubaka> it would be cool if umount could inform apps and tell them to release their hold of a particular resource.
[01:57] <afonic> sorry, nobody replied so I thought you didn't read it
[01:57] <Choubaka> especially some monitors, like gamin
[01:57] <Seveas> afonic, try the mailing list if no one in here answers, the smart people aren't in the forum but on the mailing list
[01:57] <LokeDK> I've installed mplayer with apt-get but when i try to play a movie it crashes with the error MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: decode_audio
[01:57] <afonic> thx dude, will do that too
[01:57] <albacker> Seveas, root@galaxy:/mnt/hda5/BOOKS_eni/libra_te_marra_nga_ftp_html_etj # whereis acroread
[01:57] <albacker> acroread: /usr/bin/acroread /usr/share/man/man1/acroread.1.gz
[01:57] <Fikrann> Choubaka: pmount might one day be able to do it, via dbus.
[01:57] <Choubaka> That'll be nice.
[01:57] <Seveas> albacker, whereis and slocate are different things
[01:58] <Seveas> try locate if slocate doesn't work, but slocate should be there...
[01:58] <Choubaka> usability goes up as unmounting and mounting becomes more transparent :)
[01:58] <SS2> one question: how cann i permanently kill esd? it always runs that i cant listen with alsa
[01:58] <albacker> Seveas, locate gives an error
[01:58] <Seveas> SS2, system->prefs->sound
[01:58] <Fikrann> Seveas: slocate is not mandatory package. Locate is.
[01:58] <Seveas> make sure enable sound server startup isn't selected
[01:58] <albacker> root@galaxy:/mnt/hda5/BOOKS_eni/libra_te_marra_nga_ftp_html_etj # locate acroread
[01:58] <albacker> locate: /var/cache/locate/locatedb: No such file or directory
[01:59] <Seveas> albacker, argh, you never ran updatedb :)
[01:59] <Seveas> albacker, run: updatedb
[01:59] <Fikrann> albacker: run updatedm
[01:59] <stimpie> albacker, run: updatedb&
[01:59] <SS2> ok its checked thx
[01:59] <albacker> Seveas, i have dialup
[01:59] <Seveas> as root, and wait, it takes some time
[01:59] <Choubaka> :P
[01:59] <Seveas> updatedb does nothing with internet
[01:59] <albacker> really ?
[01:59] <Fikrann> eh, listen to Seveas
[01:59] <Seveas> Fikrann, ubuntu-desktop depends on slocate...
[01:59] <Seveas> so slocate is part of the standard install...
[01:59] <Choubaka> Hmm
[01:59] <Fikrann> Seveas: Somehow, I had to install it manually...
[02:00] <Choubaka> Will Breezy ship with beagle integrated?
[02:00] <Seveas> Fikrann, maybe you don't have ubuntu-desktop installed
[02:00] <Seveas> Choubaka, yes
[02:00] <Choubaka> cool.
[02:00] <desplesda> woo! will the breezy kernel have inotify properly configured?
[02:00] <Choubaka> I tried installing beagle from backports, but it failed :P
[02:01] <Seveas> Choubaka, that's because backports suck
[02:01] <Choubaka> since it had the dependencies properly fscked up :D
[02:01] <albacker> Seveas, usr/bin/find: /proc/29179/task/29179/fd/4: No such file or directory
[02:01] <albacker> /usr/bin/find: /proc/29179/task/29179/fd/4: No such file or directory
[02:01] <albacker> /usr/bin/find: /proc/29179/task/29179/fd/4: No such file or directory
[02:01] <zerokills> sup guys
[02:01] <Fikrann> Choubaka: backports Should Be Avoided (TM)
[02:01] <Choubaka> Yeah.
[02:01] <Seveas> albacker, wtf are you doing..?
[02:01] <mjr> eiks nime saanut ainakin jossain vliss muutettua hetulla?
[02:01] <mjr> eihn se toki muuta ku vittuilua, mutta enivei ;)
[02:01] <albacker> updatedb
[02:01] <newbhie> can I install kubuntu on hoary by downloading the ISO?
[02:01] <Demian___> after a few days ubuntu gest a lot slower. Can I clean the memory or something. So make it go faster without restarting?
[02:01] <Fikrann> albacker: ignore these messages
[02:01] <Seveas> mjr, we speak english in here...
[02:01] <mjr> umm, wrong channel :)
[02:02] <Seveas> newbhie, just do aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[02:02] <Choubaka> mjr: heh :P
[02:02] <Seveas> that'll save you time
[02:02] <albacker> Seveas, : http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/103
[02:02] <waxhead> anyone using netbeans by any chance?
[02:02] <Choubaka> Demian___: huh, slower?
[02:02] <Fikrann> Demian___: log out and in again.
[02:02] <newbhie> thanks Seveas...
[02:02] <mjr> Seveas, 
[02:02] <Demian___> do I have to restat any progs then?
[02:03] <Demian___> cause then I might just as wel restart
[02:03] <Seveas> albacker, open /usr/bin/acroread in a text editor as root
[02:03] <Slomp> What is the point of running Kubuntu? The whole point of Ubuntu is that everything's setup nicely and it works with a pretty interface... If you're running Kubuntu, you might as well just run debian and select your own packages
[02:03] <Seveas> albacker, go to line 12
[02:03] <Slomp> or run Mandrake
[02:03] <Choubaka> Slomp: No.
[02:03] <cazabam> slomp: kubuntu has exactly the same philosophy, just with KDE rather than GNOME
[02:03] <Choubaka> Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE.
[02:03] <Slomp> YES
[02:03] <Choubaka> for KDE people.
[02:03] <Slomp> Duh, I know it's got KDE
[02:03] <cazabam> in fact, I installed ubuntu, then apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, so I have both :)
[02:03] <Slomp> but
[02:04] <cazabam> still ubuntu
[02:04] <Fikrann> Demian___: if you re-login most probable sources of any problems get restarted
[02:04] <Slomp> Kubuntu isn't Ubunutu
[02:04] <Seveas> albacker, and change /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread to  /usr/lib/Acrobat5/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread
[02:04] <zerokills> i have gnome, kde, and xfce
[02:04] <Choubaka> yes it is
[02:04] <Seveas> Slomp, it is :)
[02:04] <cazabam> yes it is
[02:04] <Demian___> Fikrann, thnx
[02:04] <Slomp> What makes it Ubuntu?
[02:04] <sly> by chance is there a apt-get ubuntu cos i want to do it the other way round
[02:04] <Slomp> What "ubuntifiez" it?
[02:04] <zerokills> my preferred choice is xfce
[02:04] <Choubaka> Kubuntu = kubuntu-desktop metapackage
[02:04] <newbhie> Slomp: Gnome is a great window manager but it lacks of application...
[02:04] <albacker> Seveas, thanks
[02:04] <Slomp> If I paint my penis a certain colour will it be Ubuntu?
[02:04] <Seveas> Slomp, it just has a different set of packages installed by default
[02:04] <Dalkus> newbhie, you can run kde apps in gnome
[02:05] <Seveas> but they use the same repositories and are 100% interoperable...
[02:05] <albacker> Seveas,  # acroread unix.PDF
[02:05] <albacker> /usr/lib/Acrobat5/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread must be executed from the startup script.
[02:05] <zerokills> yea slomp, paint it purple
[02:05] <Rockett17> haha
[02:05] <cazabam> slomp: you can install kubuntu and then ubuntu-desktop too
[02:05] <Choubaka> Slomp: No need to troll ;P
[02:05] <cazabam> slomp: not sure about penis-desktop though...
[02:05] <Slomp> Saveas: But the reason Ubuntu /is/ Ubuntu is cause it has a certain setup and a certain set of packages which make it all come together as one solid graphical experience.
[02:05] <sly> ^ thats answer to what i just asked , cheers :)
[02:05] <Fikrann> newbhie: GNOME is NOT a window manager.
[02:05] <waxhead> it's ok.. i think it was the nfs file system I was using in netbeans...
[02:05] <Choubaka> Slomp: Yes, Ubuntu is that too.
[02:05] <Seveas> albacker, then change   /usr/lib/Acrobat5/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread to /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread.sh
[02:05] <Choubaka> err, kubuntu
[02:06] <Slomp> So what makes it Ubuntu then?
[02:06] <Choubaka> kubuntu is just a solid collection of packages from the KDE world.
[02:06] <Choubaka> The philosophy. and that it's part of the ubuntu project.
[02:06] <Loki_VA> hi people
[02:06] <cazabam> there is only a 111Mb difference to add kubuntu-desktop to ubuntu
[02:06] <cazabam> and KDE is about 100Mb...
[02:06] <desplesda> it's running the ubuntu base system, but runs KDE rather than GNOME
[02:06] <desplesda> same setup and maintenance
[02:06] <newbhie> KDE or GNOME...KDE is memory killer/ GNOME still in stage of application shortage?
[02:06] <desplesda> just a different UI
[02:06] <albacker> Seveas,  # acroread unix.PDF
[02:06] <albacker> ERROR: Cannot find installation directory.
[02:07] <Choubaka> newbhie: wtf?
[02:07] <Seveas> albacker, hmmmmmm
[02:07] <Choubaka> there's loads of apps for Gnome :|
[02:07] <Seveas> where did you get the acrobat reader package from
[02:07] <zerokills> brb
[02:07] <Choubaka> Loads.
[02:07] <newbhie> Thats why I will be using Gnome to run KDe apps.
[02:07] <Choubaka> Tell me one software you can find for KDE but not Gnome? :/
[02:07] <ivanox_> anyone can hint me on cool desktop apps for gnome?
[02:07] <Seveas> newbhie, please get some clue, there are lots of Gnome applications :)
[02:07] <newbhie> or xinit...lol then metacity...
[02:07] <Fikrann> Choubaka: amaroK!
[02:07] <albacker> Seveas, from the repos. using apt-get. i think we have to edit /usr/lib/Acrobat5/bin/acroread.sh
[02:08] <Seveas> albacker, *which* repos?
[02:08] <newbhie> builtin chm viewer...
[02:08] <Choubaka> Fikrann: there's loads of apps like that for Gnome :P
[02:08] <albacker> Seveas, install_dir=REPLACE_ME  << in the .sh file
[02:08] <Choubaka> chm viewer. I have seen one in gnomefiles.org.
[02:08] <Riddell> Choubaka: k3b
[02:08] <Seveas> albacker, lol :) omg, where the hell did that package come from?
[02:08] <Fikrann> IMO, not as good as amaroK. *pets her beloved sound player*
[02:08] <Choubaka> Gnomebaker?
[02:08] <newbhie> i tried to alienize some sort of gnomechm...but i does'nt work.
[02:08] <Rockett17> heh
[02:09] <Seveas> Fikrann, Choubaka newbhie please stop the gnome/kde war
[02:09] <Fikrann> Choubaka: It should be named Gnomebreaker };>
[02:09] <Choubaka> :P
[02:09] <Seveas> you are creating noise...
[02:09] <Choubaka> Hmm.
[02:09] <Rockett17> watches the Gnome/KDE pissing contest
[02:09] <Fikrann> Ok.. just teasind
[02:09] <newbhie> waaaaaaaaaaa... :P sori
[02:09] <Fikrann> *teasing.
[02:09] <Seveas> albacker, replace REPLACE_ME with /usr
[02:09] <manitoba98xp> Hello, all. I have a 700 MHz Celeron CPU, and my CPU usage shoots straight up whenever I access the net for a significant amount of time (e.g: downloading large files). In fact, it sometimes freezes the system (I mean NO response to any keyboard strokes or mouse movements). I'm using ndiswrapper, which I suspect could be the problem. Can I force it to only use, 90% or something like that of the CPU? (BTW, I'm us
[02:09] <cazabam> I'm surprised nobody whipped out the XFCE joker ;)
[02:09] <Choubaka> I might use KDE when 4.0 is in Ubuntu.
[02:09] <Choubaka> cazabam: hah.
[02:09] <Choubaka> I use xfce4 :)
[02:10] <newbhie> gnome does'nt have kicker to be use in fluxbox...lol
[02:10] <Rockett17> as do I
[02:10] <Dalkus> I can't install acroread though synaptic or apt-get
[02:10] <cazabam> I just follow my whim - I have about 17 wms installed :)
[02:10] <Choubaka> Also, I want to see a cute Gnustep-based desktop environment
[02:10] <Seveas> Dalkus, backports has acroread 7
[02:10] <cazabam> including evilwm - muahaha
[02:10] <manitoba98xp> Can anyone help me?
[02:10] <Seveas> evilwm??
[02:10] <Seveas> Windows??
[02:10] <Choubaka> :D
[02:10] <albacker> it doesnt work
[02:10] <Dalkus> I'm in hoary - I'm not using backborts?
[02:11] <cazabam> no borders, no icons, no menus, no buttons, no nothing
[02:11] <Seveas> albacker, remove that package then
[02:11] <Choubaka> I have fluxbox, metacity, xfwm4, and icewm. and windowmaker
[02:11] <Seveas> albacker, and install acrobat reader 7 from backports :)
[02:11] <Fikrann> manitoba98xp: What wifi card you have?
[02:11] <cazabam> http://www.6809.org.uk/evilwm/
[02:11] <sly> eww i cant stand icewm
[02:11] <Choubaka> I think it's nice.
[02:11] <cazabam> I don't like recent changes to icewm
[02:11] <newbhie> Choubaka: I've been working out to install xfce4 but i looks for some module...
[02:11] <cazabam> openbox ... a bit icky to configure, IIRC
[02:12] <cazabam> far too verbose XML
[02:12] <Choubaka> I just apt-get installed xfce4 :P
[02:12] <Fikrann> cazabam: I only used the gui configurator.
[02:12] <manitoba98xp> Fikrann: D-Link DWL-g510
[02:12] <Fikrann> manitoba98xp: What chipset it runs on? Broadcom?
[02:13] <cazabam> anyone had any luck preventing gnome-volume-manager from starting in XFCE? I want to use ivman
[02:13] <cazabam> more configurabler
[02:13] <manitoba98xp> It runs on Atheros, but I can't get it to work with madwifi.
[02:13] <manitoba98xp> Google shows that most people use ndiswrapper.
[02:13] <Dalkus> cazabam, close the app, then save the xfce session - it shouldnt load next time
[02:13] <Seveas> cazabam, sudo chmod -x `which gnome-vlume-manager` :)
[02:13] <Fikrann> Intriguing.
[02:13] <manitoba98xp> (rev B1)
[02:14] <manitoba98xp> It reads as "0000:01:08.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc.: Unknown device 001a (rev 01)"
[02:14] <jun> hi
[02:14] <jun> hi
[02:14] <manitoba98xp> It says it works on madwifi.sourceforge.net,  but it doesn't recognize it.
[02:14] <Fikrann> manitoba98xp: Ask on #madwifi, they should be more able to help you, and perhaps they show you how to get the driver to work.
[02:14] <resiak> Seveas: Speeling?
[02:14] <manitoba98xp> I've tried compiling the latest version, but I get errors.
[02:14] <ivanox_> I got dwl g520 running with madwifi
[02:14] <Seveas> resiak, hm..?
[02:14] <manitoba98xp> Okay, so I should focus on getting madwifi to work, rather than getting ndiswrapper to be more greedy.
[02:14] <resiak> Seveas: 13:13 <@Seveas> cazabam, sudo chmod -x `which gnome-vlume-manager` :)
[02:15] <Seveas> buh :)
[02:15] <jun> uasgfirhaekgtraeuighka
[02:15] <ivanox_> u use the cvs for madwifi?
[02:15] <manitoba98xp> ivanox_, what did you do? Did you upgrade madwifi?
[02:15] <Loki_VA> how destructive have people found a upgrade vs a fresh install, i have 4.10 here but am concerned as I've had upgrade issues with other distros before..
[02:15] <Fikrann> manitoba98xp: YES! ndiswrapper is BAD.
[02:15] <manitoba98xp> Yeah, I got CVS latest.
[02:15] <Seveas> jun, we speak english in here, not uasgfirhaekgtraeuighka :)
[02:15] <manitoba98xp> Hold on, I'm gonna paste my compile errors.
[02:15] <cazabam> seveas: good solution, might break one or two things ;)
[02:15] <Seveas> Loki_VA, upgrades warty->hoary are smooth
[02:15] <jun> seveas
[02:15] <cazabam> specifically, gnome ;)
[02:15] <Fikrann> Loki_VA: Upgrade should be very smooth.
[02:16] <ivanox_> u get any interface called athX ?
[02:16] <Seveas> Loki_VA: One-line upgrade: sudo sed -e 's/warty/hoary/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[02:16] <Seveas> cazabam, ah well :)
[02:16] <Fabian> good afternoon
[02:16] <cazabam> good afternoon
[02:16] <Seveas> cazabam, i think you should hack into Xsession.d
[02:16] <Fabian> pfp, are you here?
[02:16] <manitoba98xp> ivanox_: no, I have no such interface
[02:16] <jun> seveas  u? male/female
[02:16] <Seveas> jun, does it even matter?
[02:16] <pfp> Fabian: yo
[02:16] <Loki_VA> im running fedora atm and dont really wanna wait for the iso to download.. (dialup)
[02:16] <Fabian> pfp, not sleeping any more?
[02:17] <jun> ok
[02:17] <manitoba98xp> ivanox_: it says it "could not find /root/madwifi/ath_hal/.hal.o.cmd for /root/madwifi/ath_h al/hal.o"
[02:17] <jun> seveas  you male
[02:17] <manitoba98xp> That causes several functions to be undefined.
[02:17] <Seveas> jun, please don't create noise, this is a support channel..
[02:17] <ivanox_> well, move the files over there then ? :P
[02:17] <Loki_VA> might give it a go i thinks
[02:17] <ivanox_> manitoba98xp, what u see under iwconfig ?
[02:17] <Thomas2> can anyone please tell me how to get Flash working in Firefox under ubuntu hoary?
[02:17] <Seveas> Thomas2: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[02:17] <manitoba98xp> Installing it then results in errors on boot. (It boots, but it complains about version mismatch)
[02:18] <jun> ok
[02:18] <ivanox_> hmm
[02:18] <manitoba98xp> What do you mean, "move the files over there then"?
[02:18] <pfp> Fabian: nah, woke up an hour ago (it's 15:18 btw :)
[02:18] <cazabam> seveas - ah, I didn't think it would start in there. seems to generic a place for such a gnome-specific thing
[02:18] <manitoba98xp> (By then, I mean installing it with those errors)
[02:18] <manitoba98xp> Move what files where?
[02:18] <Fikrann> manitoba98xp: Are you sure you have full madwifi driver source?
[02:18] <snadge> im booting hoary on an old compaq marmada m700 laptop.. it said my screen might blank, but instead the screen is rolling all over the place
[02:18] <jun> where do you life seveas?
[02:18] <snadge> i cant read anything anymore :(
[02:18] <Fabian> pfp, you're one hour ahead? may I ask, where do you live?
[02:18] <manitoba98xp> I downloaded and untarred (with gz), cvs-current
[02:19] <pfp> Fabian: i'm going to work, so i'm back online in about 20 minutes
[02:19] <pfp> Fabian: helsinki, finland (you?)
[02:19] <Fabian> pfp, alright, cu later
[02:19] <manitoba98xp> I've also tried June 2 CVS, that didn't work either (same error)
[02:19] <Fikrann> manitoba98xp: Do you have your kernel headers/source in place?
[02:19] <Fabian> pfp, Solothurn, Switzerland
[02:19] <snowblink> hi, gdesklets on hoary. How do I enable a sensor?
[02:20] <manitoba98xp> Headers, yep! linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386 off the Hoary CD.
[02:20] <Fabian> pfp, I'll ask someone else in the meanwhile!
[02:20] <manitoba98xp> (My kernel image matches, I haven't upgraded it)
[02:20] <finlaylabs> cazabam: would you believe, another cd, exact same file cant be read? bsdutils.
[02:20] <manitoba98xp> I did install sharutils.
[02:20] <cazabam> finlaylabs: that's very freaky...
[02:21] <cazabam> do you have the option of continuing the install regardless?
[02:21] <finlaylabs> cazabam: is it possible to install from usb-connected drive?
[02:21] <Fabian> Seveas, have you got a little sparetime for me? ;)
[02:21] <cazabam> finlaylabs: probably...
[02:21] <Seveas> not really Fabian, bus leavesin 30 seconds :)
[02:21] <finlaylabs> no cant continue unless I skip "install base system". Didnt think id try :)
[02:21] <Fabian> Seveas, alright, then I'll ask someone else! :D
[02:23] <gh05t> hi all
[02:23] <sly> who was it who just said about apt-geting xfce4
[02:23] <sly> ?
[02:23] <Fikrann> manitoba98xp: Are you sure you have gcc properly installed? }:>
[02:23] <Fikrann> heh
[02:23] <finlaylabs> anyone know how to install from a usb-connected hard-drive that has the install-cd files??
[02:24] <Thomas2> Flash, one more time ... the way described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats does not work. the package flashplugin-nonfree does not seem to exist in multiverse. any suggestions?
[02:24] <Fabian> anyone up for some help? I'd like to do the following: As I don't want to reinstall everything as it was before, I want to put my linux partition in a tar.gz file on a external USB harddisk. Is that possible? And if, how do I do this?
[02:24] <finlaylabs> cazabam: I thought freaky too...
[02:24] <Fikrann> finlaylabs: iso image with files or just a bunch of files?
[02:24] <Fikrann> Fabian: use partimage
[02:24] <Loki_VA> AdmiralCrunch, caffinated bacon? baconated grapfruit?
[02:24] <finlaylabs> either, I can write either to hdd
[02:24] <Dalkus> Fabian, tar cvzf whatever.tar.gz /
[02:25] <Dalkus> I think
[02:25] <AdmiralCrunch> Loki_VA: Futurama rules :P
[02:25] <Loki_VA> hehehe
[02:25] <Loki_VA> indeed
[02:25] <cazabam> finlaylabs: you could just copy the files off the CD to the usb drive, but you would still need to boot somehow
[02:25] <Loki_VA> off i go! apparently..
[02:25] <Fabian> Fikrann, partimage? can I put that back on my HD and it works exactly as before?`
[02:26] <Fikrann> finlaylabs: there is option to use iso image from hard disk
[02:26] <Fikrann> Fabian: yes
[02:26] <iveqy> hi, I've got a problem... I've a computer that cannot boot from a CD. I need to boot the ubuntu installation program from a floppy, and I haven't found any information on howto do this... A pointer to that information would be really nice :)
[02:26] <Fikrann> Fabian: google for partimage, it's really nifty tool.
[02:26] <Fabian> Fikrann, I'll have a look
[02:26] <finlaylabs> cazabam, Fikrann: if I can boot (say a different distro live cd), then how would I initiate install from usb hdd?
[02:27] <Fikrann> finlaylabs: you cannot do that.
[02:27] <finlaylabs> Fikrann: is there a faq for how to do "option to use iso image from hard disk"?
[02:27] <Fabian> Fikrann, other question: If I change the partitions afterwards, let's say prim to logical and put that stuff back, can I still boot? Or do I have to change GRUB somehow?
[02:27] <AdmiralCrunch> I will brb
[02:28] <gh05t> i need some help with my shell.... i want to copy all files of a dir to another dir, but the copied files should have a prefix at the beginning of their name (i.e. 'PREFIX<old filename>' ). How to do that?
[02:28] <snowblink> iveqy, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[02:28] <iveqy> snowblink thank you :) saved my day
[02:28] <finlaylabs> Poor Fikrann getting swamped ;-)
[02:28] <Dalkus> gh05t, learn bash :) (it'll be a bash syntax, ask in a bash channel perhaps)
[02:29] <Fikrann> Fabian: partimage cannot setup grub.
[02:29] <gh05t> hmmm... where to find a bash channel or perhaps a goot tutorial?
[02:29] <Shufla> hello :)
[02:29] <Shufla> just 31minutes 2go :)
[02:29] <Fabian> Fikrann, no, but can I do this with my ubuntu live CD?
[02:29] <Shufla> gh05t: what do you need from bash? is scripting than ask google: advanced bash scripting
[02:29] <snowblink> gh05t, just cp then rename
[02:29] <Shufla> gh05t: if use - man readline, man bash.
[02:30] <iveqy> gh05t http://www.google.se/linux?hl=sv&q=bash+programming&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=
[02:30] <cazabam> finlaylabs: not sure what else to suggest ATM as I don't have my ubuntu machine handy
[02:31] <Fikrann> Fabian: there is an option to use the iso image with packages in Ubuntu installer, so you must boot from ubuntu install disk.
[02:31] <Fikrann> Fabian: or perhaps floppy.
[02:31] <Fabian> Fikrann, ah really??? that'll be great!
[02:31] <finlaylabs> cazabam: np. Any idea how to do Fikrann's "there is option to use iso image from hard disk"
[02:32] <Fabian> Fikrann, but, can I use USB Disk, when installing???
[02:32] <finlaylabs> sounds like Fabian wants same as me...
[02:32] <Fabian> finlaylabs, what do you want? :D
[02:32] <Fikrann> Fabian: With a bit of prodding, yes.
[02:32] <cazabam> never heard of that option; sounds useful though
[02:33] <Fabian> Fikrann, how much of prodding, and prodding what?
[02:33] <klaas_> Helly everybody.
[02:33] <finlaylabs> Fabian: install ubuntu from a usb-connected hdd. Im having no success burning an install cd you see. But writing to a removeable hdd is no problem.
[02:34] <klaas_> s/helly/hello/
[02:35] <finlaylabs> Fabian: each cd I burn read-fails at bdsutils in "Install base system". So Im lookin for alternate method.
[02:35] <Fabian> finlaylabs, I see....
[02:36] <cazabam> sounds like just the sort of thing the liveCD would be good for...
[02:36] <Davey> dammit, Zend doesn't support 5.1 yet ;)
[02:36] <cazabam> mount the external drive and run the installer, like slackware does
[02:37] <snadge> if i have a pcmcia netgear wifi card.. should i plug this in before booting ubuntu live? or is it ok to do it afterwards
[02:37] <finlaylabs> burn *another* cd :-\. Can try, dont like my chances.
[02:37] <sly> that situation dont sound good finalylabs
[02:37] <snadge> because after it booted.. i tried plugging it in, and its found the device but says unable to load driver
[02:38] <SteveA> i'm using the Disk Mounter panel applet on hoary, and i'm surprised it doesn't show usb storage devices
[02:38] <cazabam> finlaylabs: I don't know if the liveCD thing works... was just a thought
[02:39] <Shufla> 21 min :)
[02:39] <Shufla> and no problem to solve? :)
[02:39] <Whistler> hi everybody
[02:39] <cazabam> finlaylabs: is there a boot floppy available?
[02:39] <cazabam> hi Whistler
[02:39] <Whistler> http://www.collegesexadvice.com/sex.shtml
[02:39] <Whistler> this is good
[02:39] <finlaylabs> sly: one day will have to spend $ get another burner :-(
[02:39] <Whistler> its not porn
[02:39] <sly> well if its any consolation
[02:39] <sly> my dvd burner will brun nothing except music cd's
[02:39] <sly> no data/video disk of any sort
[02:39] <cazabam> finlaylabs: have you checked DMA etc for CD drive?
[02:40] <finlaylabs> DMA is?
[02:40] <sly> set to on hopfullt
[02:40] <sly> y*
[02:40] <cazabam> finlaylabs: DMA enables the drive to read/write directly rather than making the CPU marshal all writes - means that opening another program won't kill it
[02:40] <sly> very funny whistler
[02:41] <cazabam> finlaylabs: do 'sudo /dev/hd#' where # is the right device for your CD burner
[02:41] <ubermonzie> dont they call it stealing cycles. cazabam ?
[02:41] <Whistler> :D
[02:41] <finlaylabs> cazabam: you talking on the write or the read machine?
[02:41] <cazabam> write machine
[02:41] <finlaylabs> then try writing again?
[02:42] <cazabam> hmmm....
[02:42] <pfp> Fabian: lo, did you find out anything?
[02:43] <cazabam> are the read and write machines both desktop machines?
[02:44] <finlaylabs> both laptops actually
[02:44] <cazabam> finlaylabs: ah. was just going to suggest swapping burner across to other machine for the duratiojn of the install :)
[02:44] <Fabian> pfp, yep. got told to use partimage and store it on the usb device. Then reinstall and tell ubuntu install CD to use that image
[02:44] <cazabam> *duration
[02:44] <Fabian> pfp, googling on partimage right now
[02:45] <ivanox_> after I have installed the nvidia driver(not the latest nvidia ver) throught apt-get what should I do ?
[02:45] <pfp> Fabian: i see, cool
[02:45] <finlaylabs> cazabam: not likely :-)
[02:45] <pfp> Fabian: i'm not familiar w/ partimage though
[02:47] <finlaylabs> cazabam: tryin something bold, copying all cd contents to /target, will see if I can find something to run install then.
[02:48] <cazabam> finlaylabs: sounds likea  plan
[02:48] <cazabam> finlaylabs: if you can get the target machine to boot, I would hope that there is an installer executable you could run?!?
[02:48] <cazabam> finlaylabs: not sure of the structure of the CDs off hand
[02:48] <Fabian> pfp, what would be your suggestion then? Can I use the external USB device? would be much faster!
 if nvidia is the same as it was on redhat. you will need to change the driver line in the xorg.conf to "nvidia"
 then restart X
[02:49] <pfp> Fabian: an usb harddisk? yes, with that it'll be much more comfortable, whatever software you use
[02:49] <finlaylabs> cazabam: how to cp all subdirectories? Only top-level files are copying?
[02:50] <cazabam> finlaylabs: cp -a [src]  [dst] 
[02:51] <Fabian> pfp, alright, got 2 GB reserved as an ext3 on there
[02:51] <pfp> Fabian: ooh, partimage looks indeed cool.. why didn't i know this before :)
[02:52] <Fabian> pfp, so new idea?
[02:53] <finlaylabs> cazabam: copying... (   cp -a /cdrom/* /target/home/installfiles/   )
[02:53] <ivanox_> what is the command I have to use to upgrade index of all files before searching?
[02:53] <pfp> Fabian: i think partimage could save some manual work.. yep, i'd go with it
[02:53] <finlaylabs> 'course we shall see if bsdutils can be read or not huh.
[02:54] <Fabian> pfp, so boot from live cd?
[02:55] <cazabam> finlaylabs: heh, yeah... sounds like this partimage malarkey could be useful
[02:56] <finlaylabs> cazabam: sounds above me...
[02:57] <pfp> Fabian: if the livecd has partimage... hmm, i wonder how safe it would be to make the backup on your running system. one problem might be that there's a tmpfs mounted over /dev, which obscures the static device nodes that exist under /dev in the root filesystem
[02:57] <cazabam> finlaylabs: this should help http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-28948.html
[02:58] <cazabam> looks like exactly what you need - no CD burning involved!
[02:58] <pfp> Fabian: running from livecd wouldn't have that problem at least
[02:58] <|Ivanch0|> enass
[02:58] <GNULinuxer> bob2, which package will install the 686 kernel in one go?
[02:59] <Fabian> pfp, so hang on, I gotta do something else, and then I'll boot from live cd. Cu back here in some time
[02:59] <finlaylabs> cazabam: havin a read...
[03:00] <sly> dunno why im ranting about this........... but this is my 1st debian based system ive ran & jeez i want to express my enjoyment at the power of apt-get
[03:00] <cazabam> finlaylabs: or this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29358
[03:01] <stjepan> hi
[03:01] <stjepan> I have executable file
[03:01] <stjepan> how do I run it?
[03:01] <stjepan> error is command not found
[03:01] <stjepan> stupid question, is it?
[03:01] <napsy> ./command
[03:02] <stjepan> I see
[03:02] <stjepan> thanks
[03:02] <stjepan> well
[03:02] <stjepan> I do not understand
[03:02] <stjepan> something
[03:02] <stjepan> why is Linux case sensitive?
[03:02] <stjepan> Windows is not
[03:02] <stjepan> but why is Linux?
[03:02] <sly> go back to windows then ?????
[03:02] <stjepan> no
[03:02] <napsy> becose it's unix style to be case sensitive
[03:03] <stjepan> in my opinion, it is quite stupid
[03:03] <airox> Hi! Can I delete ubuntu-desktop when I have kubuntu-desktop installed ?
[03:04] <bpuccio> OSX is case sensitive as well
[03:04] <finlaylabs> cazabam: cp->Read error. No surprises huh
[03:04] <Riddell> airox: yes, sudo apt-get remove libgtk2.0-0
[03:04] <airox> Riddell: Ok, thanks.
[03:05] <kent> stjepan why is it stupid?  speaking technicaly, there is and should be a difference between 's' and 'S'.
[03:05] <bpuccio> airox: yes, ubuntu-desktop is just a meta package used to pull in a bunch of dependcies, you might wantto install it if you dist-upgrade to breezy in a while just to get whatever new packages ubuntu wants, but aside from that, no issues
[03:05] <airox> Ok, great.
[03:06] <stjepan> kent, why? I do not understand
[03:06] <david> do i need to install the gstreamer-ffmpeg plugin in order to view mpgs and avi files?
[03:06] <stjepan> I am not taking linux down, I am just trying to understand something ;)
[03:06] <kzm> Anybody know about tools that use DNS LOC information?  Just exploring it, so I'm just looking for coolness factor here...
[03:07] <kestas> is it worth switching from samba to nfs?
[03:07] <cazabam> finlaylabs: :(
[03:07] <kestas> samba is giving me grief
[03:07] <kent> stjepan what dont you understand?  that 's' and 'S' are not the same?  They are diffrent characters. Try learning some C programming and you will see. It can be worked around for sure, but since even normal language differ between 's' and 'S' why should Linux?
[03:07] <finlaylabs> cazabam: np. will overcome this one day :-)
[03:08] <cazabam> finlaylabs: just thought of something completely evil...
[03:08] <stjepan> kent, I know C# and C++
[03:08] <pfp> nfs is very talented in causing grief too, but once you've set it up, it's ok
[03:08] <finlaylabs> cazabam: will try transfer files with removeable hdd, and see.. Oh? Go on..
[03:09] <cazabam> finlaylabs: just thought that you could install to the removable HDD, then copy the system to the hard disk
[03:09] <pfp> .. ok as in "install and forget", unless you need to reboot often / have laptops or something
[03:09] <cazabam> finlaylabs: but then you would need to set up grub, obviously
[03:09] <david> do i need to install the gstreamer-ffmpeg plugin in order to view mpgs and avi files?
[03:10] <kent> stjepan  it was some time since i played with c++, but surely it differs between 's' and 'S'?  Try to compare a char with 's' and one with 'S' and you will see that they are not the same.
[03:10] <finlaylabs> cazabam: or swap drives and install using write computer, then swap back... device setups will be bad but..?
[03:10] <cazabam> finlaylabs: that was my other, more evil suggestion ;)
[03:10] <david> also, why do i need the gstreamer-mad plugin? mp3s playback just fine without it installed using the default music player, rhythmbox?
[03:10] <kent> stjepan but i must go now. Its not a huge problem for you hopefully :)
[03:10] <cazabam> finlaylabs: although it would only be X that would need reconfiguring, the rest should just hotplug
[03:11] <finlaylabs> really? then thats an option.
[03:11] <peppo> I'm going to burn a CD with stuff I need to build Ardour on a computer that has no internet connection... among other things it needs SCons. have can I do this? I need to see depends via the web
[03:11] <cazabam> finlaylabs: absolutely. it'd actually be easier, now I think about it
[03:11] <david> do i need to install the gstreamer-ffmpeg plugin in order to view mpgs and avi files?
[03:11] <david> do i need to install the gstreamer-ffmpeg plugin in order to view mpgs and avi files?
[03:12] <david> also, why do i need the gstreamer-mad plugin? mp3s playback just fine without it installed using the default music player, rhythmbox?
[03:12] <cazabam> david: nope - check ubuntuforums and search for 'multimedia' for more info
[03:12] <david> cazabam: thanks
[03:13] <cazabam> david: k
[03:13] <kestas> anyone got an opinion on samba vs nfs?
[03:13] <cazabam> finlaylabs: when you swap the disks back, do ' sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' to fix it
[03:13] <cazabam> kestas: yes - smb might suck, but NFS is worse :)
[03:13] <stjepan> do you know any other program like kmouth?
[03:14] <kestas> cazabam: k thanks, are there any better alternatives or is samba the best?
[03:15] <kevi> hallo
[03:15] <finlaylabs> cazabam: thanks for the tip. I may do some work then try it later tonight! Will let you know...
[03:15] <cazabam> kestas: samba is the best supported. e.g. in nautilus and konqueror support it 'out of the box'
[03:15] <GNULinuxer> kevi, hi
[03:15] <cazabam> finlaylabs: ok :)
[03:15] <ivanox_> how do I restart x ? (without rebooting)
[03:15] <kevi> is hier ok 1 nederlander ????
[03:16] <GNULinuxer> ivanox_, Cttl+Alt+Backspace
[03:16] <ivanox_> but then it just closes without saving anything right?
[03:16] <ivanox_> if I log out and log in will it kill x?
[03:16] <snadge> can i boot ubuntu without framebuffer support?
[03:16] <GNULinuxer> ivanox_, ya
[03:17] <ivanox_> kill/restart I mean
[03:17] <GNULinuxer> ivanox_, you log out ... then Ctrl+Alt+backspace
[03:17] <snadge> i have an ati rage mobility chipset in my laptop.. fb console seems to work okay.. but when i start X theres a bit of screen corruption and a horizontal bar thats near the top of the screen
[03:17] <stjepan> oh
[03:17] <stjepan> how can I extract .gz file?
[03:18] <morf3o> http://www.gianky.com/microzoft/msbug.htm
[03:18] <ivanox_> ok, cool thanks for that :)
[03:18] <deviant>  after i adde a masquerading rule to iptables i have problems with my internet connection. when i download something, after aprox 1 minute the download speed starts to lower, then it stops. any sugestions?
[03:18] <usynic> stjepan: gzip -d
[03:18] <pfp> kestas: nfs is good, unless you need to reboot often or have laptops that move in and out of network a lot
[03:19] <stjepan> usynic, tnx ;)
[03:19] <osity> any raid experst please message me
[03:19] <pfp> kestas: nfs can be a horrible bitch to set up though, but after that it's quite transparent
[03:20] <ivanox_> when I have installed the nvidia driver, is there any command that allow me to see which drivers I have installed? like it will list "nv" and "nvidia" ??
[03:20] <pfp> osity: if it's softraid, i have some experience
[03:20] <stjepan> bash: ./leds: Permission denied
[03:20] <stjepan> what is the problem?
[03:20] <stjepan> :O
[03:20] <kestas> pfp: hmm that sounds like what I need actually
[03:20] <cazabam> stjepan: just a guess... chmod +x ./leds ?
[03:21] <kestas> pfp: the server which runs samba atm doesnt go down, I just want something which behaves just like a normal part of your filesystem and doesnt have any odd quirks
[03:21] <kestas> smb has a bunch
[03:21] <stjepan> cazabam, yes
[03:21] <stjepan> oh
[03:21] <stjepan> ./leds: relocation error: ./leds: symbol __libc_stack_end, version GLIBC_2.1 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference
[03:21] <kestas> like I cant rename things in nautilus, it just lets you rename for 1 sec then closes the rename input thing
[03:21] <kestas> and sometimes files just dont show up
[03:21] <cazabam> kestas: nfs is good for 'long term' network shares and is treated as a mount - this is also possible with samba although it is more painful
[03:21] <kestas> damn annoying
[03:22] <PhantomFreak> Having trouble with ScummVM in Ubuntu... I used the Synaptic Package Manager version, but it isn't the latest version... But when I download the latest version from ScummVM.org, in a debian binary it wont install. How can I get the latest version to work?
[03:22] <jbailey> stjepan: Err.  How did you get that error?
[03:22] <pfp> kestas: yep, and smb isn't really native to unix...
[03:22] <kestas> hmm guess Ill look into nfs then
[03:23] <cazabam> pfp: samba is native to unix, even though smb isn't
[03:23] <cazabam> pfp: although it is 'bug for bug' compatible ;)
[03:24] <maxy_noob> Would someone kindly tell me how to navigate to a directory using terminal?
[03:24] <pfp> kestas: i recommend using NFS in a permanent mount, in fstab (like cazabam said)... the only quirk afaik is the lack for locking in nfs, so having eg. parts of /var or /tmp on it may not be wise
[03:25] <maxy_noob> I don't know what the command is
[03:25] <_root_> *going*
[03:25] <pfp> cazabam: true :) i was thinking of permissions, ownership etc - i don't think these can be used in a sane manner w/ samba
[03:25] <maxy_noob> anybody?
[03:25] <peppo> all SCons depends on is a python2.4 install right?
[03:27] <maxy_noob> ok, how about a concrete example? I have an installer on my desktop and I want to navigate to it in the terminal. How do I get to it?
[03:27] <cazabam> pfp: I think kestas has gone :) ah well... he'll get on just fine with NFS :-/
[03:27] <sly> cd ~/Desktop
[03:27] <sly> ?
[03:28] <maxy_noob> sly, thanks, I'll try
[03:28] <sly> maxxy ~ = Home Directory
[03:29] <sly> or cd /home/USER/Desktop
[03:29] <babytooth> hi
[03:29] <maxy_noob> It says no such directory exists. :(
[03:30] <maxy_noob> Directory had to be capitalized. Thanks!
[03:30] <sly> yeh case sensitive
[03:33] <tweakism_> Seveas: eh?  I don't.
[03:35] <ivanox> wtf, I installed nvidia-glx through apt-get, then I changed from "nv" to "nvidia" in xorg.conf, logged out, restarted x, (saw nvidia logo) logged in, and the pc hang. softreseted, logged in again, and another hangup. so I have to change back to "nv"
[03:36] <ivanox> anyone got any idea why it hangs as soon as I login?
[03:38] <maxy_noob> Question: is there still no shockwave player for linux?
[03:38] <deviant> guys , is there any tweeks for mplayer in order to run dvd more smoothly ?
[03:38] <deviant> *are there?
[03:38] <sly> deviant that sounds more like a dma problem
[03:39] <ivanox> installed some other nvidia shit now, gonna try again
[03:39] <deviant> sly: meaning ? i don`t have dma activated?
[03:39] <sly> meaning it sounds like its set to off yes
[03:39] <deviant> sly: how do i set it to on
[03:40] <chrissturm> is there anything i can do to get automounting working with the breezy kernel?
[03:41] <snadge> argh.. after downloading 2.72 gigs of hoary hedgehog
[03:41] <juha_> how i can make myself back to admin so i can do all root's stuff? Add new users etc...?
[03:41] <snadge> i discover that it contains an old version of the madwifi driver which doesnt work
[03:41] <juha_> i removed myself from that and now i can't add new users even with root user
[03:41] <juha_> xD
[03:41] <sly> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[03:42] <sly> ^ says up on there sumwhere deviant
[03:42] <juha_> oh...
[03:42] <juha_> jes!
[03:42] <juha_> i get it work again
[03:42] <juha_> i change in sudoers in root
[03:42] <deviant> sly: up there ...where?
[03:42] <juha_> huh...
[03:42] <black_Nightmare> hey there :-)
[03:42] <HrdwrBoB> helo
[03:42] <black_Nightmare> what you up to now hardware bob? (heh) :-)
[03:43] <babytooth> what's sudo... i can not find it on my system...
[03:43] <demantik> can anybody explain this for me?....when i run ./configure (glibc-2.3.5) i get this...
[03:43] <demantik> checking for gcc... gcc
[03:43] <demantik> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[03:43] <black_Nightmare> babytooth..its under terminal
[03:43] <juha_> but... what the hell?
[03:43] <juha_> i can't still do anything in gnome when i'm root
[03:43] <jbailey> demantik: Look in your config.log
[03:43] <demantik> ok
[03:43] <jbailey> demantik: Why are you compiling a new glibc?
[03:44] <babytooth> sigh... it is not there
[03:44] <cazabam> demantik: have you got build-essential?
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> babytooth: grinding and drinking coffe
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> e
[03:44] <babytooth> ok...
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> if you must know
[03:44] <cazabam> babytooth: if you start synaptic, and it asks you for your password... that's sudo :)
[03:44] <juha_> i clicked "Users and groups" or etc... (Kyttjt ja ryhmt in finnish) and it say's something that i can't do that...
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> demantik: apt-get install build-essential
[03:44] <demantik> jbailey - i tried installing xfce, installer bin...and it said i need glib lol
[03:44] <demantik> alright ill see if i have that
[03:44] <jbailey> demantik: glib and glibc are *not* the same thing...
[03:44] <juha_> how can i add new users graphically with root?
[03:45] <sly> demantick why not just apt-get install xfce4
[03:45] <demantik> oops..yeah i know...
[03:45] <cazabam> demantik: glibc != glib!!! glibc is rather more fundamental!
[03:45] <chrissturm> demantik: dont upgrade glibc!
[03:45] <babytooth> jbailey:  hehe
[03:45] <jbailey> demantik: That way lies madness, please don't do that. =)
[03:45] <demantik> hmm..
[03:45] <black_Nightmare> just curious if there are any people who know a bit about video systems (especially difference between pal and nstc) .. if not then no problem
[03:45] <HrdwrBoB> black_Nightmare: they're both terrible
[03:45] <ivanox> omg, when I change driver to "nvidia" I manage to login, but when I try to open a terminal the whole system just freezes, and I have to reset back to "nv"
[03:45] <cazabam> jbailey: I once installed an LFS type system entirely in the /usr/local of a redhat 6 system - that was mad
[03:45] <demantik> uh oh..
[03:45] <demantik> i think im in the same crappy loop that made me reinstall ubuntu last time!
[03:45] <jbailey> demantik: glib is already packages, "apt-cache search libglib" should get you the package names.
[03:46] <cazabam> black_nightmare: PAL = Picture Always Lame, NTSC = Never Twice Same Colour :)
[03:46] <babytooth> demantik:  you are crazy
[03:46] <demantik> LOL
[03:46] <black_Nightmare> caza....you are way too funny :p
[03:46] <jbailey> cazabam: Right.  And I'm all about people learning these tools and doing lfs systems and such.  Just that, say, your compiler is a better place to start than your C library. =)
[03:46] <babytooth> demantik:  wrong woman matchs wrong man
[03:46] <black_Nightmare> anyway the question was...whats different about reading a pal vhs verus reading a nstc vhs? :p
[03:47] <jbailey> demantik: You shouldn't need to reinstall, usually you can recover with apt-get --reinstall install FOO
[03:47] <demantik> jbaily - Checking for GLib (GModule) >= 2.2.0... why?
[03:47] <jbailey> demantik: where FOO is the package that you think you've broken somehow.
[03:47] <demantik> ah ok
[03:47] <jbailey> demantik: What are you compiling by hand? =)
[03:48] <cazabam> jbailey: you might have a point there... I never did get libstdc++ or locales to work ever again...
[03:48] <demantik> xfce4-4.2.2-installer.bin when trying to run that, thats the error it gave me
[03:48] <jbailey> demantik: And are you doing it to learn or because you want the package?  If you're doing it to learn, great.  Otherwise anything you want is likely in Ubuntu somewhere. =)
[03:48] <ivanox> any clue on how I can fix this: "Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"." ??
[03:48] <demantik> about GLib (GModule)
[03:48] <demantik> LOL..really all i want to do is install XFCE! :(
[03:48] <snadge> what version of madwifi drivers is in breezy?
[03:48] <jbailey> demantik: "apt-cache search xfce"
[03:48] <demantik> ok
[03:48] <Rockett17> apt-get install xfce4
[03:48] <jbailey> You'll find that xfce is already all there. =)
[03:49] <Whistler> how can i know what version of ubuntu i use now?
[03:49] <babytooth> demantik:  it's a simple cake
[03:49] <sly> demantik i told you to apt-get xfce4 just 3mins ago
[03:49] <demantik> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:49] <demantik> E: Couldn't find package xfce4
[03:49] <sly> update your stuff
[03:49] <Whistler> how can i know what version of ubuntu i use now?
[03:49] <demantik> not good..hah.
[03:49] <demantik> ok
[03:49] <jbailey> Whistler:  /bin/lsb_release -a
[03:49] <snadge> are madwifi drivers in breezy newer than in hoary hedgehog.. i tried to use livecd but my madwifi card is unsupported :(
[03:49] <juha_> always when i try to log in root to change users & groups in graphically it says "failed to run user-admin: Child terminated with 1 status"
[03:50] <juha_> what i can do?
[03:50] <black_Nightmare> nevermind..found someone else to explain to me :p
[03:50] <babytooth> Is xfce good?
[03:50] <demantik> apt-get just cant find xfce... :|
[03:50] <sly> sly@LightSpeed:~$ sudo apt-get install xfce4
[03:50] <sly> Reading package lists... Done
[03:50] <sly> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:50] <sly> xfce4 is already the newest version.
[03:50] <sly> need to update your sources damantik
[03:50] <Whistler> if i run smart update will ubuntu update to 5.04?
[03:50] <babytooth> xfce3 > xfce4
[03:51] <demantik> sly - exactly how do i do this....sorry for not being an expert hah
[03:51] <cazabam> babytooth: xfce is very nifty and quick. xfce4 is latest, greatest, rockingest
[03:51] <demantik> i havent had any problems with this before..
[03:51] <osity> anyone setup raid1 ????....
[03:51] <babytooth> that is e17...
[03:51] <sly> demantik
[03:51] <sly> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[03:51] <demantik> k
[03:51] <Whistler> if i run smart update will ubuntu update to 5.04?
[03:52] <sly> should explain most things :)
[03:52] <sly> and yes babytooth xfce4 is realy good, depending what you want
[03:52] <osity> anyone know what the raid setup in Ubuntu does? is it bootable?
[03:52] <babytooth> oh
[03:52] <demantik> ffs...i just updated the lists...and it still doesnt find it...ahh...
[03:52] <sly> that was quick updateing
[03:53] <Whistler> anybody can answer me?
[03:53] <cazabam> whistler: if you have warty and stick hoary sources in apt, then apt-get dist-upgrade will do the upgrade, yes
[03:54] <Whistler> cazabam i started smart update thru synaptic
[03:54] <Whistler> is that ok?
[03:54] <thenuke> Whistler: it wont do anything if you dont change the repositories
[03:54] <deviant>  how can i turn on DMA to my hard drive (/dev/hda)
[03:54] <HrdwrBoB> sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
[03:54] <thenuke> oh well, it will upgrade the warty packages to latest warty packages :-) but it wont upgrade to hoary unless you change those repositories
[03:55] <cazabam> deviant: more permanently, read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DMA
[03:56] <cazabam> whistker: as thenuke said, you need to get the hoary repositories from ubuntuguide.org first
[03:56] <Whistler> i am downloading
[03:56] <Whistler> from Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main libc6 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 [4822kB] 
[03:56] <Whistler> is this ok?
[03:56] <cazabam> yep, that'll do it
[03:56] <deviant> HrdwrBoB: that would be -d1 or -D1 ?
[03:56] <Whistler> ok thx
[03:57] <snadge> can someone tell me what the different vga= options do?
[03:57] <snadge> im getting display corruption.. tried 771, doesnt quite work properly
[03:57] <babytooth> deviant:  useless
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> deviant: it is exactly what I said :)
[03:57] <HrdwrBoB> -d1
[03:57] <babytooth> deviant:  dma is default...
[03:57] <demantik> sly - im an idiot...in my sources list, for some reason i had the hoary ones commented out...lol.
[03:58] <cazabam> snadge: enables different video or framebuffer modes. if in doubt do vga=normal
[03:58] <deviant> HrdwrBoB: yeah. i`ve just read the man page :)
[03:58] <demantik> two of em...
[03:58] <guupsta> oooh mailman brought my hoary cd's
[03:58] <deviant> babytooth: how do i find of if it is or not?
[03:58] <babytooth> -C
[03:58] <babytooth> Is it?
[03:59] <cazabam> deviant: hdparm /dev/hda will list all current options, including DMA
[03:59] <babytooth> -c...
[04:00] <deviant> cazabam: there`s no DMA specification there
[04:00] <deviant> cazabam: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/104
[04:01] <deviant> oh yeah, it is
[04:01] <deviant> sorry
[04:01] <cazabam> deviant: hehe it's already on ,anyway
[04:02] <cazabam> babytooth: -c checks 32bit i/o, and -C checks the power mode status
[04:02] <babytooth> umm
[04:03] <babytooth> hdparm -Cv <device>      ^^
[04:04] <sly> hehe demantik so it apt-gets it now yeh ?
[04:04] <deviant> what player is better: mplayer or vlc?
[04:04] <babytooth> ?
[04:04] <sly> maybe i should have join/part msgs on
[04:05] <babytooth> 3 best players
[04:05] <babytooth> the one of three
[04:05] <babytooth> but wxgtk2...
[04:06] <sly> babytooth sorry if this is inculting but that sounds like a womans name :)
[04:06] <babytooth> o_o
[04:06] <Drako60> why do i get sub-process gzip returned an error code when trying to extract the packages.gz from the security repo?
[04:08] <sly> sorry babytooth
[04:08] <babytooth> ?
[04:08] <babytooth> what sorry?
[04:08] <babytooth> -_-||
[04:09] <LadyFrost> babytooth: He's apologising for saying your nickname sounds like a lady's...
[04:09] <LadyFrost> I think.
[04:09] <babytooth> so what? ^^
[04:09] <juha_> wtf?
[04:09] <juha_> i tryed to change firefox settings and it says
[04:09] <juha_> XML Jsennysvirhe: Syntaksivirhe Sijainti: chrome://browser/content/pref/pref.xul Rivi numero 1, sarake 7: root.disabled = "true";
[04:10] <sly> juha what was you trying to change ?
[04:10] <juha_> i can't change start page or empty history etc...
[04:10] <juha_> i tryed to open preferences...
[04:10] <juha_> or whatever it is in english
[04:10] <juha_> at firefox
[04:10] <babytooth> firefox <- bad ass
[04:11] <babytooth> extensions...
[04:11] <LadyFrost> juha_: Sounds like syntax error. Try restart. (windows-solution, I know....)
[04:11] <sly> juha how did you install firefox ................. apt-get or other ?
[04:11] <juha_> doesn't it be installed already when you install ubuntu 5.04 hoary?
[04:11] <LadyFrost> babytooth: Which web browser do you prefer then?
[04:12] <sly> not on my install no
[04:12] <LadyFrost> juha_: Expert or
[04:12] <LadyFrost> Fuck.
[04:12] <babytooth> mozilla ... all in one... free and opensource all
[04:12] <babytooth> no flash & java
[04:12] <LadyFrost> (why is return and backspace right next to each other...?)
[04:12] <juha_> no... not expert... i press enter in start and it started to install whole system
[04:13] <juha_> *i pressed only
[04:13] <pfp> juha_: restart your firefox...
[04:13] <juha_> bad english
[04:13] <juha_> ok
[04:13] <babytooth> ?
[04:14] <LadyFrost> babytooth: You like open source? :)
[04:14] <babytooth> why not?
[04:14] <LadyFrost> babytooth: It's a good thing, isn't it?
[04:14] <babytooth> no
[04:15] <pfp> juha_: #ubuntu-fi on mys olemassa...
[04:15] <LadyFrost> I prefer open source.
[04:15] <babytooth> too many people...
[04:15] <LadyFrost> (You'll have to excuse my english, I can't express myself any good)
[04:16] <juha_> pfp, juu ja yritin saada apua siella...
[04:16] <babytooth> I hope the source is only open to me
[04:16] <LadyFrost> babytooth: Why?
[04:16] <babytooth> ^^
[04:16] <babytooth> not to hackers
[04:17] <sly> the only way that is gonna happen is if you write it
[04:17] <LadyFrost> sly: And close it...
[04:17] <babytooth> oh...
[04:17] <babytooth> evil...
[04:17] <pfp> juha_: kas enp huomannu, oli pommi tiltiss tossa aamupivn
[04:17] <klaym> is linux's open source core a security threat for the user?
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> babytooth: bad people having the code results in no more security problems than otherwise
[04:18] <HrdwrBoB> klaym: no.
[04:18] <babytooth> but you would not stop hackers
[04:18] <LadyFrost> klaym: I wouldn't say so. I prefer beliving that it make's it safer :)
[04:18] <Ycros> babytooth: yes, but closing your source doesn't stop hackers either
[04:18] <babytooth> hack hack hack
[04:18] <LadyFrost> (my good, my typing is so SLOW!)
[04:18] <Ycros> babytooth: fix fix fix
[04:19] <Ycros> opening your source means many more people can find and fix security issues!
[04:19] <Ycros> very fast
[04:19] <sly> correct babytooth you will not stop hackers finding holes in software so what difference does it make to you personally , if the source is open or otherwise
[04:19] <babytooth> too late too late
[04:19] <LadyFrost> Ycros: openoffice!
[04:19] <HrdwrBoB> babytooth: if you want to be technical, most of the people working on linux are hackers
[04:19] <LadyFrost> (/me don't like word)
[04:19] <klaym> so you shouldn't keep your top secret files on a computer that's connected to the net, anyway (be it windows or linux)
[04:19] <Ycros> babytooth: consider many companies with closed source software, bugs can be found and fixed months later
[04:20] <Ycros> that's a long time
[04:20] <babytooth> after hacking
[04:20] <Ycros> exactly
[04:20] <verbosus> hello there
[04:20] <verbosus> I'm checking out the LiveCD
[04:20] <Ycros> many security bugs in open source software are found before they are exploited
[04:20] <cazabam> hello!
[04:20] <verbosus> is there a way to boot without Xwindows?
[04:20] <babytooth> if developer = hacker ? O_O
[04:20] <sly> basiclay babytooth yes thats correct
[04:20] <babytooth> time is shorter
[04:20] <pfp> verbosus: update-rc.d remove gdm  <- form memory
[04:20] <pfp> from*
[04:20] <cazabam> babytooth: developer == hacker && developer != cracker
[04:20] <klaym> if there is a security issue found in the system, does it take longer to get it fixed in Windows or in Ubuntu? :) how much?
[04:21] <verbosus> pfp: at the main prompt?
[04:21] <housetier> update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[04:21] <forsaker8k6> ohi people :)
[04:21] <pfp> verbosus: in a shell, as root (or use sudo)
[04:21] <babytooth> well,oss... who's god?
[04:21] <cazabam> klayfm: fastest in ubuntu, order of magnitude faster - MS can sit on bugs and just not tell anyone
[04:21] <Ycros> cazabam: I wouldn't agree with that statement, I believe a person can be any combination of three
[04:21] <verbosus> pfp: I put the LiveCD into the drive, it boots and I get to the prompt where I have to press ENTER
[04:22] <pfp> hmm, what prompt is that
[04:22] <cazabam> Ycros: OK the, all hackers are developers, but not all developers are hackers
[04:22] <verbosus> the very first
[04:22] <verbosus> I haven't yet booted
[04:22] <cazabam> Ycros: not all crackers are hackers and not all crackers are developers
[04:22] <housetier> LokeDK, are you running breezy by any chance?
[04:22] <_kevin> I download this program p7zip and it is a binary file, the read me says that the program has been tested and works on debian and i try to open the bin file but nothing opens up
[04:22] <Ycros> cazabam: no, you don't have to be a developer to be a hacker
[04:23] <Ycros> it's not tied down to software
[04:23] <cazabam> Ycros: ah, the wider definition of hacker :)
[04:23] <housetier> _kevin, it might not have a gui
[04:23] <_kevin> any one know a program to open .7z files in ubuntu
[04:23] <pfp> verbosus: the live cd probably has boot-time options for skipping X, try the F keys before it loads (or maybe someone remembers them)
[04:23] <cazabam> Ycros: but your average non-software hacker is unlikely to find and fix an exploit in your jpeg rendering code :)
[04:23] <verbosus> ok, thanks
[04:23] <housetier> verbosus, maybe try to add "2"
[04:24] <verbosus> k
[04:24] <pfp> housetier: runlevel 2 includes X, at least in a permanent setup
[04:24] <_kevin> I searched on synaptic and quite a bit on google and i couldn't really find a linux program to open .7z files, expect this p7zip and i try to run it and it doesn't
[04:24] <babytooth> if... m$ buy someone -> developer -> what?
[04:24] <pfp> (or GDM to be exact)
[04:25] <housetier> _kevin, tell exactly how you tried to run it
[04:25] <housetier> tell me
[04:25] <_kevin> i double click on the bin file
[04:25] <_kevin> or i right click and goto run
[04:25] <housetier> _kevin, as I said before, 7zip might not have a gui, so you could try to open a terminal window and run "p7zip --help" there
[04:25] <markc> what packages do I need to install to do a "debian/rules binary" for a deb-src package ?
[04:26] <verbosus> brb
[04:27] <jem> PLease, Anybody is using MIDI with Ubuntu?
[04:27] <babytooth> mark:  Is it a question?
[04:27] <babytooth> s/mark/mark cup/
[04:29] <Lie-Algebra> hi
[04:29] <noob> hi everyone... Someone can help me about sound volume ?
[04:30] <noob> The global sound volume of system was fine, but now it's low...
[04:30] <Lie-Algebra> i am installing a dual boot on a laptop and would like to know how much space, approximatively, should i use for installing ubuntu 5.04 given the fact  i have a 40GB hard drive ?
[04:30] <deviant> how the hell do i start vlc ?
[04:30] <caza|sleeping> Lie-Algebra: depends on which you'll use most. I'd just split it down the middle
[04:31] <Lie-Algebra> k
[04:31] <LokeDK> housetier, nope.. hedgehog
[04:31] <LokeDK> hoary
[04:31] <Lie-Algebra> let says 15Gb, i guess it would be suffiscient...
[04:32] <Loki_VA> hi people
[04:32] <Loki_VA> I have a evolution question..
[04:33] <Loki_VA> i want to switch from fedora to ubuntu and am wondering if i can just copy my .evolution dir to CD or some such and then copy it bak in ubuntu
[04:33] <Loki_VA> ?
[04:33] <hac> Why when i move a window in Gnome,the cpu occupation is 100%?
[04:33] <Whistler> is it possible to run shockwave games on opera?
[04:34] <tom_neo> opera suxx hehe
[04:34] <cazabam> Lie-Algebra: yeah, that's plenty. You'll probably want 8 to 10 Gb for comfort
[04:34] <cazabam> hac: are you using framebuffer driver for X?
[04:35] <hac> cazabam, u mean dri driver?
[04:35] <snadge> can i download live iso for breezy?
[04:36] <Whistler> Can anybody answer me is it possible to run shockwave games on opera?
[04:36] <Fabian> pfp, just thought: should I dl the install CD first???
[04:36] <snadge> and does it have newer madwifi driver :)
[04:36] <Fabian> pfp, so far I only got the live CD
[04:36] <cazabam> hac: no, just normal 2d driver. i've seen that eat all CPU for basic operations before,
[04:36] <pfp> Fabian: what are you going to need the install cd for?
[04:36] <Fabian> pfp, don't I need it at all?
[04:37] <cazabam> whistler: there is no shockwave player for Linux at all :( just flash
[04:37] <Fabian> dunno, maybe to install from image???
[04:37] <pfp> Fabian: no, if your'e just copying your system to the usb drive & back
[04:37] <jem> How may I see the hiiden folders on a vfat filesystem?
[04:37] <Whistler> cazabam oh
[04:37] <Whistler> cazabam thx anyway
[04:37] <Fabian> pfp, ok, hang on a sec, gonna boot live
[04:38] <Loki_VA> anyone know if a direct .evolution dir copy will work from one sys to another?
[04:38] <catfox> can anyone remember where the package is for the gPerfection icons which replaced those in /usr/share/pixmaps?
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> Loki_VA: yep
[04:39] <HrdwrBoB> it should
[04:39] <Loki_VA> wicked
[04:39] <pfp> Loki_VA: it's worth a try at least, and if the evolutions are same version, should work
[04:39] <Loki_VA> ubuntu here i come
[04:39] <Loki_VA> hmm
[04:39] <Loki_VA> i need to nuke this install first tho
[04:39] <babytooth> pfp:  oh my
[04:39] <pfp> babytooth: what?
[04:39] <babytooth> pfp:  so simple?
[04:40] <HrdwrBoB> if they aren't you can make it import them by changing the values of evolution_old_version or something in the gnome data thingo
[04:40] <hac> cazabam, I'm enabling in gconf metacity/redouce resource and it works
[04:40] <pfp> babytooth: that evolution thing?
[04:40] <Loki_VA> just i cant seem to find a actual export function in evo..?
[04:40] <cazabam> hac: ok, so it's just metacity eating everything.
[04:40] <babytooth> pfp:  umm
[04:40] <cazabam> hac: what graphics card you got though, that eye candy should have such an effect?
[04:40] <babytooth> pfp:  show your snake-oil ^^
[04:41] <jmain> I am trying to access my ubuntu laptop from a Windows server.  I have shared a folder on unbuntu.  IN windows it prompts me for a username/password but will not take my username/password
[04:41] <cazabam> jmain: you need to add yourself to the samba users list
[04:42] <jmain> ahhh
[04:42] <cazabam> jmain: sudo smbpasswd -a <your username>
[04:42] <cazabam> jmain: it will ask for your password a couple of times and that should be that
[04:42] <hac> cazabam, i have a radeon 9000,u think that metacity hog my cpu cause i'm without driver?
[04:42] <cazabam> I'm surprised ubuntu doens't do that automatically, really...
[04:42] <Loki_VA> nb samba has its own pass wont use unix ones :P
[04:42] <cazabam> hac: yeah, sounds most likely
[04:43] <cazabam> hac: check your xorg.conf and see what graphics driver you are using
[04:43] <jmain> That worked.  Thanks guys.
[04:43] <cazabam> no probs
[04:43] <Loki_VA> ok here goes then.. next time ill be on ubuntu :)
[04:43] <ogneP> Can someone helper me with my terminal?
[04:43] <jmain> I wish the built in sharing tool in gnome would set that stuff up.
[04:43] <ogneP> well the command line anyway
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> ogneP: what's the problem
[04:44] <hac> cazabam, I'm using "radeon" driver
[04:44] <theine> Hi, I'm only able to mount my IPod Shuffle after I remove the ehci-hcd module, otherwise I get "device descriptor read/64, error -71" many times... Does anybody know what this is?
[04:44] <cazabam> jmain: it does seem a major omission
[04:44] <ogneP> HrdwrBoB, It comes up in the symbol font
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> ogneP: that's bad
[04:44] <ogneP> HrdwrBoB, I know
[04:44] <cazabam> hac: oh... that's kinda odd. at least the metacity config change fixes it up :-/
[04:44] <HrdwrBoB> terminal->edit->current profile
[04:44] <ogneP> i've tried that
[04:45] <HrdwrBoB> what charset is your system?
[04:46] <ogneP> err
[04:46] <reka> um, where is xorg's log kept?
[04:46] <ogneP> i dunno
[04:46] <Fabian> re
[04:46] <theine> reka, in /var/log
[04:46] <ogneP> it was fine until i installed firestarter
[04:46] <Fabian> pfp, still here?
[04:47] <reka> theine: ah, thanks.
[04:47] <pfp> Fabian: yep
[04:48] <Fabian> pfp, so what do I do now
[04:48] <pfp> Fabian: i'm moving today, after about umm, 2-3 hours (i just found out it happens today :S), so i dont probably have the whole evening, sorry
[04:48] <pfp> Fabian: hmm, you should create an image with partimage to the usb drive
[04:49] <Fabian> pfp, I'm going out today, so never mind
[04:49] <jman_> Hmm... gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg plugin seems to leave my divx out of sync with sound.   It also seems to be the only plugin at 0.8.4  Anyway to upgrade to 0.8.8 like the rest of the plugins in hoary?
[04:49] <pfp> great :)
[04:49] <Fabian> pfp, there's no partimage
[04:50] <pfp> jman_: have you tried totem-xine instaead of gstreamer, i haven't had sync problems with that
[04:50] <babytooth> jman_:  firefox,gstreamer...next?
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> no
[04:50] <babytooth> jman_:  oss -> css
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> the problem is not that
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> it's esd
[04:50] <pfp> Fabian: hmm, is it possible to apt-get stuff on the livecd?
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> jman_: if you change your gstreamer audio sink to ALSA
[04:50] <HrdwrBoB> and run 'killall esd'
[04:51] <HrdwrBoB> it should not get out of sync
[04:51] <Fabian> yep, it should, but I just tried synaptics, and it hasn't found anything
[04:51] <pfp> Fabian: what about apt-cache search partimage
[04:51] <pfp> Fabian: oh, and is sources.list sane on the live?
[04:52] <Fabian> just enabled all packet-sources
[04:52] <Fabian> sources.list?
[04:53] <nJess> how do i install .deb packages?
[04:53] <Fabian> pfp, found it now! shall I install it?
[04:53] <ogneP> So can someone help me with my terminal problem?
[04:53] <theine> nJess, dpkg -i
[04:53] <pfp> Fabian: yep :)
[04:53] <reka> nJess: what are you installing?
[04:53] <nJess> a theme
[04:53] <Fabian> pfp, not to worry about nothing, when doing this?
[04:53] <theine> nJess, dpkg -i <theme>.deb
[04:54] <pfp> Fabian: /etc/apt/sources.list is the file that knows your repositories
[04:54] <pfp> Fabian: shouldn't be a problem... hopefully it'll complain if there is :)
[04:54] <Fabian> ok
[04:54] <Fabian> hang on
[04:55] <Fabian> pfp, done
[04:55] <nJess> hmmm
[04:55] <nJess> how do i install KDE themes? it didn't show up i the theme manager when i installed the deb package
[04:56] <Fabian> pfp, so what is the command now?
[04:56] <Riddell> nJess: what did you install?
[04:56] <nJess> the nvidia KDE theme
[04:57] <pfp> Fabian: heh, i'm not familiar with partimage
[04:57] <Riddell> nJess: there doesn't seem to be any such package
[04:57] <nJess> its on KDE-look.org
[04:57] <pfp> Fabian: ie. the command is 'man partimage' (i'll have a read too)
[04:58] <Fabian> pfp, i'm reading right now
[04:58] <Riddell> nJess: URL?
[04:59] <GazaM> Does anyone here use Limewire. There is no system tray icon for me
[04:59] <nJess> www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12963
[05:00] <ogneP> How do i change my charset for ubuntu?
[05:00] <Nermal> turn the knob 15 degrees to the right
[05:01] <pfp> Fabian: just a thought. new partition setup should probably have both linuxen on a primary partition, and swap and the fat32 on extended... so i suggest 1:ntfs 2:ubuntu 3:lfs 4:ext 5:swap 6:fat32
[05:02] <tsume> I love Theo's article
[05:02] <Fabian> pfp, uuuhhh, mmmhhhh, then I'll have to move the extended....
[05:02] <tsume> unfortunately the article is true. People really aren't caring what they are coding for the kernel.
[05:03] <pfp> Fabian: you have to moev it anyway i think, because you'll need >4 partitions
[05:04] <Fabian> pfp, why not: 1: ntfs, 2: ext, 3: ubuntu, 4: lfs, 5: fat32, 6: swap
[05:04] <pfp> or that's what i had in mind originally, as you said you had the fat32 backed-up
[05:04] <Fabian> pfp, well yes I do have backed it up, but this means transferring a lot of data from and to the partition.....
[05:05] <lamp_> netsplit ?Oo
[05:06] <Fabian> pfp, can you sill read me?
[05:06] <pfp> Fabian: 5 and 6 go to the ext. partition, but the ext is already full, so umm, how are you going to add 6. there
[05:06] <pfp> still here..
[05:06] <Riddell> nJess: the .deb file at that URL doesn't include have a KDE theme file, (just the wallpaper, colour scheme and window theme)
[05:06] <Fabian> pfp, I can resize that fat32 with partition magic. No problem there
[05:06] <nJess> oh
[05:06] <nJess> :\
[05:06] <ogneP> Reboot*sigh*
[05:06] <reka> anyone use gparted or qtparted?  i'd like to create a new partition on my HDD and found out i can't do this when the drive is "active".  so how do i go about it?  i tried booting from a warty live cd (i'm running hoary tho,) and it couldn't/wouldn't let me run /usr/bin/gparted which is installed on my linux partition.
[05:07] <Riddell> nJess: and the window theme may not work since it's for an earlier version of KDE
[05:07] <pfp> Fabian: oh, in that case... i don't see any problem
[05:07] <Riddell> nJess: you may have to get the sources and recompile
[05:08] <nJess> i got it working
[05:09] <Fabian> pfp, shall I compress it?
[05:09] <Fabian> pfp, .gz or .bz2??
[05:10] <Fabian> pfp, I'll take .gz
[05:11] <Loki_VA> yay
[05:11] <Darth_Pengo> How do i change my charset?
[05:12] <Loki_VA> went thru without a hitch :P
[05:12] <lotia> folks anyone running on a dell insipron 6000
[05:12] <michael> helllo
[05:12] <michael> can anyone helo me
[05:13] <michael> help
[05:13] <zOap> Does ubuntu hoary come with shfs builtin the kernel?
[05:13] <lotia> having problems getting my internal intel 2200 wireless powered up
[05:13] <HrdwrBoB> zOap: shfs?
[05:13] <pfp> Fabian: ok
[05:13] <michael> it won't let me move a file to a certain folder, it says i don't have permission
[05:13] <Fabian> pfp, damm it, haven't got write permission!
[05:13] <michael> how can i fix this?
[05:14] <Fabian> where is that usb device? /dev/???
[05:14] <michael> how do i get write permission?
[05:14] <zOap> HrdwrBoB, yes, the shfs, for mounting filesystems via ssh2protocol
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> ag
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> no it does not
[05:14] <zOap> oh...
[05:14] <mindspin> michael what do you want to do?
[05:14] <HrdwrBoB> however it should be easy to compile
[05:14] <michael> i am trying to move a file to a folder, but it says i don't have permission
[05:14] <zOap> yes, I just wondered..
[05:15] <michael> and i am the only user
[05:15] <mindspin> which file to which folder?
[05:15] <Darth_Pengo> Can someone help me http://www.impengo.net/Terminal.png thats what my terminal looks like at the moment
[05:15] <Drako60> whats going on with http://ftp.security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu?
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> sudo apt-get build-essential kernel-headers-$(uname -r)
[05:15] <zOap> michael, root is also a user..
[05:15] <HrdwrBoB> will get you the files you need to build it
[05:15] <zOap> HrdwrBoB, thanks
[05:15] <michael> mindspin, a php file to the www apache    folder
[05:15] <bigfoot1> anybody using J-pilot here?
[05:16] <pfp> Fabian: on the usb disk?
[05:16] <Fabian> found it :D
[05:16] <cazabam> bigfoot1: yep
[05:16] <mindspin> so theres also the user www-data on your machine ;-)
[05:16] <mindspin> sudo cp blah.php /path/to apache/docs
[05:17] <bigfoot1> cazabam, do you have your Memo Categories working in J-Pilot? Coz all my memos are in the "unfiled" category in Jpilot.
[05:17] <michael> so, mindspin, how do i give myself permission
[05:17] <cazabam> um... yes, I think so. at least, I've never noticed them to be broken
[05:17] <mindspin> sudo cp blah.php /path/to apache/docs
[05:17] <mindspin> dont change permissions
[05:17] <bigfoot1> anybody else using J-Pilot in here?
[05:18] <bigfoot1> cazabam, okay.
[05:18] <Nermal> have done
[05:18] <Fabian> pfp, it's on its way
[05:18] <mindspin> become the permitted user and make your action...
[05:18] <Nermal> memo catagories working ya
[05:18] <reka> michael: you need to use sudo to write to "privileged areas", i.e. anything other than ~/ which is your home folder
[05:18] <cazabam> bigfoot1: what Palm device do you have?
[05:19] <bigfoot1> nermal, do you know why my memos on my PDA are all "Unfiled" in Jpilot?
[05:19] <bigfoot1> cazabam, i have Visor Pro.
[05:19] <Loki_VA> how do i turn off the spatial filemanager in gnome?
[05:19] <mindspin> changing permissions will /may result in security troubles
[05:19] <Nermal> bigfoot1, no
[05:19] <bigfoot1> which runs Palm OS.
[05:19] <reka> Darth_Pengo: running gnome?
[05:19] <Darth_Pengo> reka yeah
[05:19] <Nermal> bigfoot1, I presume they aren't on the palm
[05:19] <cazabam> bigfoot1: what version of Palm OS do they run? is it 3.5 like the other visors?
[05:19] <bigfoot1> nermal, huh? on my pda, my memos have categories.
[05:19] <reka> Loki_VA: it's in preferences
[05:19] <Nermal> o
[05:20] <Loki_VA> okies cool
[05:20] <Loki_VA> im used to fedora core
[05:20] <reka> dark: what is your k/b layout? sys->pref->keyboard
[05:20] <bigfoot1> cazabam, version 3.5
[05:20] <bigfoot1> when i was on windows OS, the Palm Desktop software recognized all my categories.
[05:21] <pfp> Fabian: great
[05:21] <reka> Darth_Pengo: sorry, that was meant for you - what is your k/b layout? sys->pref->keyboard
[05:21] <Darth_Pengo> WEll
[05:22] <Darth_Pengo> err
[05:22] <Darth_Pengo> well
[05:22] <Darth_Pengo> When i set up the box the only k/b i could find was a Generic one
[05:22] <Darth_Pengo> soo generic 104 key
[05:22] <reka> Darth_Pengo: no, i'm interested in the country.
[05:22] <reka> below that
[05:23] <Darth_Pengo> U.S English
[05:23] <Loki_VA> wow ubuntu is nice
[05:23] <cazabam> bigfoot1: sounds like it's probably a pilot-link problem
[05:23] <cazabam> welcome back Loki_VA!
[05:23] <bigfoot1> cazabam, how do i fix that then?
[05:23] <Loki_VA> im only on 4.10 atm but will upgrade soon
[05:23] <jem> Anybody use agnula or demudi?
[05:23] <reka> Loki_VA: it has some niggles, but yes imho it's better than fc at least.
[05:24] <cazabam> why not just install 5.04, Loki_VA?
[05:24] <Drako60> ok i have a major problem, apt-get is piping .gz files to .bzip2 can anyone explain why?
[05:24] <Loki_VA> im impressed so far
[05:24] <reka> Darth_Pengo: hmm
[05:24] <Loki_VA> im on dial up.. getting the new iso very slowly :P
[05:24] <bigfoot1> can anyone help me surf a particular website? I'm browsing a blog and was wondering where the link is to view/post comments. Can anyone help?
[05:24] <cazabam> bigfoot1: not sure - probably best asking on the pilot-link mailing list
[05:25] <cazabam> Loki_VA: Ah, I see.
[05:25] <Drako60> well explain why or tell me how to fix it
[05:26] <Fabian> pfp, damn, that's goint really fast!!!!
[05:26] <mindspin> sorry Drako, I've never seen that problem, not even understanding it never
[05:26] <Fabian> 3m left
[05:27] <cianci> How can I give myself permissions to write to folders?
[05:27] <reka> Darth_Pengo: edit->current profile
[05:27] <Drako60> mindspin, the file packages.gz apt-get is trying to make bzip2 extract it
[05:27] <Darth_Pengo> and?
[05:27] <mindspin> what do want to do?
[05:27] <reka> what font is it using?
[05:27] <pfp> Fabian: cool.. btw, i looked up Solothurn on the web, looks very beautiful :)
[05:27] <glad1> are ubuntu faster then windows
[05:28] <bigfoot1> cazabam, Nermal; sorry. I checked again and everything's find with JPilot and categories. I just had to scroll to see the other categories. Oops. 8-()
[05:28] <glad1> are ubuntu faster then windows xp
[05:28] <Phreakazoid> glad1, not really lol but it isn't any slower
[05:28] <Darth_Pengo> some lohit gujarti or something
[05:28] <Choubaka> glad1: depends.
[05:28] <Drako60> i want to make apt-get use gzip for .gz files
[05:28] <reka> dark: :-) that's your prob.
[05:28] <Darth_Pengo> hmm
[05:28] <reka> ahh!
[05:28] <Darth_Pengo> i fixed it
[05:28] <Choubaka> You can customise ubuntu a lot
[05:28] <Darth_Pengo> ty
[05:28] <Loki_VA> i find linux runs much faster than windows for the same tasks
[05:28] <glad1> i konw
[05:28] <Phreakazoid> Loki_VA, depends on the task
[05:28] <mindspin> I 'm not sure if that works at all
[05:28] <cianci> does anyone know how to give permissoins to write to a folder?
[05:28] <reka> Darth_Pengo: sure.
[05:29] <bigfoot1> can anyone help me with an internet question? I'm viewing a blog. And I'd like to know where the link is to view/post comments.
[05:29] <Phreakazoid> Loki_VA, somethings linux does much better, but others it doesn't
[05:29] <Choubaka> chii: chmod +r dir/
[05:29] <Choubaka> er, +w
[05:29] <Loki_VA> Phreakazoid, somewhat true
[05:29] <Choubaka> and cianci
[05:29] <Choubaka> :
[05:29] <Darth_Pengo> now
[05:29] <bigfoot1> i can give the url of the blog if you can help. Thank you.
[05:29] <Darth_Pengo> i am gonna go back to learn C
[05:29] <cianci> yes?
[05:29] <Choubaka> chii: with chmod.
[05:29] <mindspin> apt-get is for debian packages  or am I wrong?
[05:29] <Choubaka> or you can right-click in nautilus and give permissions from there.
[05:30] <Choubaka> mindspin: ubuntu uses debian packages
[05:30] <Loki_VA> sweet, my evo bakup worked fine :P
[05:30] <mindspin> is gz a common format for debian packages?
[05:30] <toresbe> cthulfuego: may I msg you about the bot?
[05:30] <Fabian> pfp, solothurn is beautiful! It's supposed to be the most beautiful barock city in switzerland. It isn't actually a barock city, but who cares???
[05:30] <Drako60> synaptic does the same thing
[05:30] <Choubaka> mindspin: uh. no.
[05:30] <cazabam> bigfoot1: no problem - I learned a bit about how pilot-link works from the mailing list, anyway :)
[05:30] <Choubaka> debian packages are .deb
[05:30] <Fabian> pfp, done!!!
[05:30] <Drako60> packages.gz is a list of available packages which apt-get uses to know what your talking about and where to get it when you do an apt-get install
[05:31] <cazabam> Loki_VA cool, glad it's all worked out so nice for ya!
[05:31] <Choubaka> mindspin: gz files are just any fles packaged with gzip :p
[05:31] <bigfoot1> does anyone have 2 cents of wisdom to spare?
[05:31] <housetier> LokeDK, sorry for answering so late, this shows where to find the python plugin (python.so): http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=xchat&version=hoary&arch=i386
[05:31] <devil> hello everyone
[05:31] <bigfoot1> or does anyone have any problems with blogs, specifically viewing/leaving comments?
[05:31] <Drako60> Choubaka, yes but how do i get apt-get to use gz instead of bzip, some how my mime types can gotten confused and its trying to use bzip2 for gz files
[05:32] <Choubaka> Drako60: haa? :>
[05:32] <Nermal> bigfoot1, depends on the blog
[05:32] <devil> anyone can answer me a simple question?
[05:32] <Choubaka> devil: ask.
[05:32] <Nermal> devil, ask ffs .. *stab*
[05:32] <mindspin> choubaka, I've no trouble with that....
[05:32] <devil> thank you
[05:32] <Nermal> :)
[05:32] <devil> it's about install
[05:33] <Nermal> get to the point man!
[05:33] <Drako60> Choubaka, when i do apt-get update it pipes the packages.gz file it downloads to bzip2 and gives an error
[05:33] <bigfoot1> nermal, if i give you the url, can you check it out and tell me if there's something wrong with the blog or with our browsers? I've already contacted the webamster, and did what he said (enable Javascript, enable popups), but still no link for comments.
[05:33] <Nermal> else I'll spend all my energy and patience getting the problem out of you rather than solving it
[05:33] <Choubaka> Drako60: sounds weird.
[05:33] <Choubaka> what's the error?
[05:33] <Drako60> Choubaka, it is
[05:33] <Nermal> bigfoot1, aye
[05:33] <Fabian> pfp, I'm ready for the ultimate!
[05:34] <devil> when i install ubuntu 5.04 where i can find the custom install?
[05:34] <catfox> are there any tools to download packages for hoary on windows or another linux distro, to install them on a systerm with no internet connection?
[05:34] <Nermal> bigfoot1, yeah I can comment.
[05:34] <pfp> Fabian: alright :)
[05:34] <Nermal> hit the comments link, new window appears
[05:34] <Nermal> scroll to bottom and there is a form
[05:34] <Drako60> Choubaka, it says somethign to the effect of (stdin) file is not a bzip2 file
[05:34] <bigfoot1> where's the comment link?
[05:35] <devil> catfox: i think wget and d4x is good
[05:35] <cdc> hi people  i have been using Debian Sarge for the past one year and i am really impressed with it but today i got 10 sets of Ubuntu X86 CDS i am just thinking of installing it
[05:35] <Fabian> pfp, cu in two minutes in windows!
[05:35] <cazabam> devil: there isn't one :) not specifically, anyway. The basic install will give you a functional machine. After that, it's into synaptic and pick what you want.
[05:35] <cdc> i just want to know whether Ubuntu would be better than Debian Sarge
[05:35] <Choubaka> Drako60: right.
[05:35] <bigfoot1> i can't find it, Nermal. I might be blind.
[05:35] <Nermal> bigfoot1, though it does appear to be a drivel christian site
[05:35] <Choubaka> Drako60: I don't know how to fix that though :/
[05:35] <catfox> devil, wget could be good. but how will i tell it to get certain dependancies?
[05:35] <reka> catfox: you can use a normal browser to download the .deb packages and then install them manually.  that's going to be messy. though if you have a program that has a lot of dependencies.
[05:35] <tunes> hi,,I found a package to enable supermount (  automount/umount)  and wondering why its not the default now, ,,,,,and if its being considered to be part of ubuntu in the future ? ;-))
[05:35] <Nermal> it says "comments (29)"
[05:35] <Nermal> hit that
[05:35] <bigfoot1> nermal, where exactly is the link? i did a search on the page for "comment." found nothing relevant.
[05:35] <cdc> infact i have been a KDE user but for the past few days i ve switched to Gnome . is Ubuntu better than Debian Sarge?
[05:35] <devil> i see but what about 5.10?
[05:36] <mindspin> cdc its a question of taste and purpose...
[05:36] <devil> sorry i don't know about certai mean?
[05:36] <cazabam> devil: 5.10 (breezy) is not ready yet - see the topic  :)
[05:36] <likkashot> whats the program for partitions  gparted?
[05:36] <catfox> does the hoary cd have everything i need to be able to install python, zope, plone, postgres from sources? (compilers libs, etc
[05:36] <cdc> mindspin, i like Debian and Ubuntu is based on Debian and i am a developer i use my system for Development so in that case what do you say?
[05:36] <devil> but i think if you install software,try apt-get?
[05:36] <reka> likkashot: yes, that's one.
[05:37] <Loki_VA> is the clearlooks theme in the apt repos for ubuntu?
[05:37] <devil> i think so
[05:37] <cazabam> catfox: it has build-essential, so yes, although all those things are available prebuilt
[05:37] <Loki_VA> or do i have to do it manually?
[05:37] <mindspin> I have kubuntu on my notebook and sarge on my severs
[05:37] <mindspin> servers
[05:37] <nishart> hello!!!
[05:37] <catfox> cazabam, cool ta. i need to install all of these into /usr/local for some things
[05:37] <cdc> mindspin, so what do you say . I ve got Ubuntu 5.0.4 CDS so tell me what would it be like ? :-)
[05:37] <mindspin> (k)ubuntu is pretty good for the desktop IMHO
[05:38] <nishart> hay algun espaol para ayudarme???
[05:38] <mindspin> get you a live cd  and have atry
[05:38] <cdc> mindspin, i am running Gnome 2.8 but Ubuntu has got 2.10 and thats a major advantage
[05:38] <Nermal> nishart, join #ubuntu-es
[05:38] <Fabian> pfp, re
[05:38] <cdc> mindspin, tried it it was good
[05:38] <pfp> Fabian: aight
[05:38] <mindspin> so change it if you like it
[05:39] <cdc> mindspin,later if i want to install KDE in ubuntu can i do it ?
[05:39] <devil> but i don't want to install the openoffice and gnome-media,my hardisk is small,can you tell me how to do?
[05:39] <likkashot> if I have 2 OS's and 1 is winblows and the other is ubuntu , and I want to acces the same failes on both , Ive been told to do a fat32 partition is that right
[05:39] <Fabian> hey, actually.... swap does not contain any data, does it???
[05:39] <LokeDK> housetier, oh.. thx
[05:39] <Fabian> pfp
[05:39] <mindspin> yes, it should work, I#m not using gnome, onlxykubuntu
[05:39] <pfp> Fabian: Fabian no, you can just wipe it away
[05:40] <cdc> anyone using KDE on Ubuntu here?
[05:40] <Fabian> pfp, then I don't have to format the other partition!
[05:40] <pfp> it contains data but not information :)
[05:40] <Phreakazoid> cdc, look in the topic?
[05:40] <Phreakazoid> :P
[05:40] <pfp> Fabian: umm, what other?
[05:40] <mindspin> cdc try #kubuntu
[05:40] <Fabian> pfp, now it looks like that: 1 ntfs, 2 ext, 3 swap, 4 ubuntu
[05:41] <cdc> mindspin, how about the number of repositories for apt-get
[05:41] <Fabian> pfp, and it will look like that afterwards: 1 ntfs, 2 ext, 3 lfs, 4 ubuntu, 5 swap
[05:41] <pfp> Fabian: hmm i would but lfs on 3 and swap under ext if that's possible
[05:41] <mindspin> I didn't move from ubuntu to kubuntu but it should work by apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[05:41] <pfp> Fabian: right
[05:41] <Fabian> pfp, this means, I just move the swap partittion and put lfs instead
[05:42] <mindspin> I dunno, buts really a lot and I founf everything I needed by acivating universe
[05:42] <Fabian> pfp, so I try to move the ubuntu one savely to the end of the disk. maybe I can just boot then again with Grub!
[05:42] <likkashot> so much waiste 200gigs free
[05:43] <Nermal> likkashot, pr0n
[05:43] <pfp> Fabian: ah.. cool
[05:43] <likkashot> hahaha
[05:43] <Fabian> I'll give it a try
[05:43] <Fabian> this's gonna take some time
[05:43] <pfp> Fabian: you should be able to boot... if the partition number changes, you need to help grub at boot-time
[05:43] <pfp> Fabian: i have to leave in 10 minutes... :/
[05:43] <likkashot> hwy when I installed I didnt make a swap partition
[05:43] <mindspin> cpc the main practical difference in my eyes between sarge and ubuntu is the sudo part
[05:44] <likkashot> is that bad
[05:44] <pfp> Fabian: in grub prompt, you need to go to the editor (press E or something), then change two lines:
[05:44] <Fabian> pfp, no problem! maybe I don't need you anymore! The partition number's not gonna change, if I can move it!
[05:45] <Fabian> pfp, cu!
[05:45] <pfp> Fabian: :)
[05:45] <Loki_VA> where can i find the clear looks them for ubuntu?
[05:45] <Loki_VA> *theme
[05:48] <reka> Loki_VA: it's installed by default
[05:48] <likkashot> hey when I installed I didnt make a swap partition
[05:48] <likkashot> is that bad
[05:48] <Loki_VA> im on 4.10
[05:48] <bigfoot1> hello, how come some websites take a long long long time to load for me, but to another person in this chatroom it's not slow?
[05:48] <Loki_VA> its not there
[05:48] <bigfoot1> i even tried coralcdn.org and it's still slow!
[05:49] <reka> Loki_VA: http://clearlooks.sourceforge.net/screenshots/
[05:49] <reka> Loki_VA: ever heard of a search engine?
[05:49] <Nermal> mmm.. clearlooks
[05:49] <bigfoot1> is the slowness of some websites the fault of my browser, my ISP, or what?
[05:49] <Nermal> reka, use http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com in future :)
[05:49] <Loki_VA> whats that?
[05:49] <Loki_VA> lol yeah i couldnt seem to find it..
[05:49] <reka> Nermal: i was going to...
[05:49] <Loki_VA> i was looking for a .deb
[05:50] <reka> Loki_VA: try apt-cache search gnome themes
[05:50] <Nermal> right.. hometime sooon D:
[05:50] <bkinman> So... how do i add an item to the applications menu?
[05:50] <reka> LokeDK: otherwise you'll need to install manually
[05:50] <Loki_VA> reka, i did but it didnt show up hence why i asked
[05:50] <Loki_VA> i did mention that
[05:51] <bkinman> I have tried opening location applications:/// in nautilus, but no luck
[05:51] <reka> righto
[05:51] <reka> bkinman: what are you trying to do?
[05:52] <bkinman> Add an item to my gnome applications menu.
[05:52] <bigfoot1> how can i pinpoint the source of the slowness of particular websites loading?
[05:52] <likkashot> their server
[05:52] <likkashot> ping it
[05:52] <reka> bkinman: can't be done that way: http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[05:53] <bigfoot1> I want to know if it's my browser, or my ISP. I know it can't be the website itself, because another person in this chatroom said the website did non load up slowly.
[05:53] <bigfoot1> likkashot, how do we ping servers?
[05:53] <mindspin> ping
[05:53] <likkashot> what the sites adress
[05:53] <mindspin> the nameserver of your ISP
[05:54] <cdc> is Ubuntu good for experienced people too?
[05:54] <bkinman> reka, is that my only option?
[05:54] <bigfoot1> how do i know my ISP's nameserver?
[05:54] <bigfoot1> likkashot, do you mean the website address?
[05:54] <optik> bigfoot1:  is it on their website?
[05:54] <Loki_VA> ubuntu uses metacity yeah?
[05:54] <mindspin> whats in your /etc/resolv.conf
[05:54] <cdc> is Ubuntu good for experienced people too?
[05:54] <bigfoot1> optik,  is what on the website?
[05:54] <optik> the nameserver
[05:55] <optik> are you usin a router?
[05:55] <bkinman> also, how do i get an address bar in nautilus, anyone?
[05:55] <reka> bkinman: yep,  gnome doesn't have a builtin editor afaik, and i don't think you can just add launchers that way.
[05:55] <mindspin> cdc it is
[05:55] <bigfoot1> um, i don't think so. it's not a technical/computer-ish website, so i doubt it has that technical info.
[05:55] <reka> bkinman: it's in preferences
[05:55] <reka> behaviour tab
[05:55] <bigfoot1> mindspin, you talking to me? (about resolv.conf)?
[05:55] <mindspin> yep
[05:55] <bigfoot1> optik, no router.
[05:56] <cdc> hey mindspin one question i trid Ubuntu Live CD but it was slow :-(
[05:56] <mindspin> how much ram?
[05:56] <bkinman> reka, why isnt smeg in a repository?
[05:56] <mindspin> which cd-rom speed?
[05:56] <cdc> 256 MB SD RAM 1.7 GHZ and 52X Combo Drive
[05:56] <mindspin> 512 MB would make it run quicker...
[05:57] <cdc> mindspin, but if i install it will it be fast enough like Sarge?
[05:57] <reka> bkinman: it didn't get in in time i guess. (only security updates from now on iirc)
[05:57] <cdc> coz Sarge is too good
[05:57] <mindspin> I think so
[05:57] <bkinman> reka,  this really makes me sad. I cant believe that is the only option
[05:57] <mindspin> but If you are lucky with sarge, stay with sarge
[05:57] <cspan> it's pretty much the same
[05:57] <cspan> just with X.org
[05:58] <bigfoot1> mindspin, fetchmail and postfix are in my resolv.conf. hmmmm. i wonder what they're for?
[05:58] <mindspin> mom
[05:58] <bigfoot1> were they there when i attempted to use gmail as fileserver?
[05:58] <reka> bkinman: i don't know what else to tell you.  hopefully breezy/the next gnome release will have a builtin editor.
[05:59] <bigfoot1> Yikes, I've pinged a website, and it's still going!!!
[05:59] <bigfoot1> now for 4 minutes.
[05:59] <bkinman> why does applications:// in nautilus work with most distros, but not this one?
[05:59] <osity> does anyone know ho to use the raid configuration during ubuntu install?
[06:00] <mindspin> bigfoot dunno why, I only got the mameserver IP here
[06:00] <bigfoot1> you mean you got the nameserver ip in your resolv.conf?
[06:00] <mindspin> sure
[06:00] <steron> bigbootay, me, too
[06:00] <chocoIate> hi
[06:00] <mindspin> nameserver 194.25.2.29
[06:00] <mindspin> that#s german telecom
[06:01] <cdc> cspan, Sarge does not have Gnome 2.10 and Ubuntu has :-) and Ubuntu has got the latest kernel and morever after reading all the real good reviews i think i ve to try it out
[06:01] <osity> i find it hard to beleive that noone has used the raid option during the partitioning of ubuntu
[06:01] <bigfoot1> mindspin, how do i know my nameserver?
[06:01] <mindspin> cdc, you got some space on your harddisk?
[06:01] <graabein> can anyone help me with the alexandria gnome-app and ruby libs?
[06:01] <Falke> hi. when i have an ppp0 aktive, do i have configure my firefox for getting in the www ?
[06:01] <Falke> or does it that automatically
[06:01] <cdc> mindspin, no extra space either i ve to remove Sarge and then try Ubuntu
[06:01] <mindspin> bigfoot how are you connected?
[06:02] <cspan> cdc, i said *pretty much the same*, not the exact same thing ;)
[06:02] <cdc> mindspin, does Ubuntu have alsa support in it ?
[06:02] <cspan> i think so
[06:02] <cspan> it does have alsa support
[06:02] <steron> Falke, only if you want to use an http-proxy
[06:02] <mindspin> installing ubuntu additionally would be my suggestion
[06:02] <cdc> mindspin, but i am just worried about one thing the speed Sarge runs is good will Ubuntu run at the same speed ?
[06:02] <steron> Falke, usually not
[06:02] <bigfoot1> mindspin, pppoe.
[06:02] <cspan> cdc, i'd say it will
[06:03] <cdc> mindspin, but i dont have that much space
[06:03] <mindspin> cdc will you kill me if its slower?
[06:03] <osity> so noone knows software raid in here???
[06:03] <cdc> cspan, ok and later if  i want KDE to be installed can i install it using apt-get?
[06:03] <chocoIate> i like sarge better, but i'm a noob i guess my vote dont count :P
 i read about it
[06:03] <b3ar1n0> osity?
 but i havent tried
[06:03] <chocoIate> i have tried both by the way
[06:03] <cspan> cdc, yeas
[06:03] <cspan> if you instal hoary
[06:04] <cspan> all you have to do
[06:04] <cdc> cspan, thats what i am gonna install
[06:04] <cspan> is install the kubuntu-desktop
[06:04] <cspan> package
[06:04] <cspan> just, cdc, remember to enable the universe and multiverse repositories
[06:04] <osity> b3ar1n0: what?
[06:05] <chocoIate> why are the  packages for ubuntu not compatible with debian if ubuntu is debian based :o
[06:05] <cdc> cspan, while installing ?
[06:05] <Falke> i have adsl and an alcatel modem. i have it so far, that i can make a ppp0 connection, but when its active, nothing happens. i cant go in the internet, cant get my mail. this is from  IFCONFIG:   http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/105
[06:05] <Codeman7> Hello
[06:05] <cspan> cdc, no, afterwards
[06:05] <osity> there is an option to configure raid during the partitioning in ubuntu.....no one has seen it?
[06:05] <Codeman7> I just installed 5.04 on my laptop, and every minute or so the pointer/insertion point freezes up for a solid second, and then returns so I can use it... it's like the whole system stops for a second.
[06:06] <chocoIate> Falke, when i had that problem i had to add my nameservers address in this file --->> /etc/resolv.conf and it worked
[06:07] <Falke> i made that
[06:07] <julo> hi
[06:07] <Falke> there are 2 resolv.conf
[06:07] <mindspin> bigfoot try downloading something with wget from commandline and you will see the download rate
[06:07] <mindspin> thats just the poormans solutuion
[06:07] <julo> i just upgraded breezy, and now i can't use shift or meta anymore
[06:07] <steron> Falke, show me the output of "cat /etc/resolv.conf"
[06:07] <julo> is anyone also experiencing it
[06:07] <Falke> 1 inf /etc/resolv.con and 1 in /etc/ppp/resolv.conf
[06:07] <julo> (question mark)
[06:07] <julo> :)
[06:08] <steron> Falke, just in /etc/
[06:08] <mindspin> julo read the topic?
[06:08] <Falke> hmm.
[06:08] <bigfoot1> mindspin, thank you for your assistance.
[06:08] <Drako60> why why why is apt using bzip
[06:08] <julo> mindspin: well, i didn't read it before coming here :)
[06:08] <Falke> in the /etc/ should be my nameserver and i have added 2
[06:08] <steron> Falke, what?
[06:08] <mindspin> its also mentioned on the homepage
[06:09] <Falke> but when ubuntu startup, it always deletes the 2 and adds 192.168.2.1 instead
[06:09] <julo> mindspin: too bad i never visit it
[06:09] <mindspin> bleeding edge is what it says, bleeding
[06:09] <Falke> thats the ip from my router
[06:09] <julo> mindspin: anyway, i'm not complaining, just asking
[06:09] <steron> Falke, in /etc/resolv.conf should be only the line "nameserver x.x.x.x"
[06:09] <Falke> yes
[06:09] <Falke> i have that
[06:09] <Falke> 2 times
[06:09] <mindspin> And I cannot help you sorry
[06:09] <theine> Falke, 2?
[06:09] <Falke> both nameservers
[06:09] <theine> Drako60, why is that a problem?
[06:09] <jbwiv> gentlemen: a package that libsdl1.2-dev depends on, xlibmesa-glu-dev, has inexplicably disappears from the Ubuntu Hoary apt repositories.  This prevents me from being able to install libsdl1.2-dev, which depends on this.  Fortunately, I had already installed this package weeks ago on my work Ubuntu machine.  Is there a way to recreate the deb file from this machine. Also, anyone know where the package actually got to?
[06:09] <julo> mindspin: i know what bleeding edge, but i'm just wondering whether it's worth reporting the bug, or if it's a known issue, that's all
[06:09] <mindspin> but reading before installing could spare you a lot of hurt
[06:10] <Drako60> theine, because its downloading .gz for its package list
[06:10] <Falke> 195.3.96.67 and 195.3.96.68
[06:10] <theine> Drako60, so?
[06:10] <steron> Falke, You've got an router and you're trying to "dial" out over pppoe?
[06:10] <Falke> a nameserver is a DNS server , or not ?
[06:10] <Falke> no
[06:10] <mindspin> julo I dunno, but avisit at ubuntuforum could help maybe
[06:10] <steron> Falke, normally this couldn't work
[06:10] <julo> mindspin: ok, i'll try there
[06:10] <JDigital> I think it is
[06:10] <steron> nameserver == dns-server, jep
[06:10] <Drako60> theine, when i do apt-get update the packages.gz file it downloads is piped through stdin to bzip2 and bzip2 plainly states its not a bz2 file and errors out
[06:11] <JDigital> DNS = Domain Name Server
[06:11] <Falke> so what do i have to do ?
[06:11] <Falke> delete 1 nameserver ?
[06:11] <theine> Drako60, hmm, how come I never had that problem?
[06:11] <steron> Falke, you have to use your eth0-interface and turn the dhcp-server in your route on
[06:11] <mindspin> falke no, that has no effect at all
[06:11] <Drako60> theine, i didn't have this problem untill today
[06:12] <Falke> ok, wait, i will show you what i have done
[06:12] <Falke> 2 min please
[06:12] <theine> Drako60, are you using breezy by the way?
[06:12] <Drako60> theine, no
[06:12] <cary> anyone: i'm wanting to patch my kernel so that certain things will work with my powerbook. i have found what i think is the raw data of the patch but i dont know waht to do with it. any suggestions?
[06:12] <Codeman7> I just installed 5.04 on my laptop, and every minute or so the pointer/insertion point freezes up for a solid second, and then returns so I can use it... it's like the whole system stops for a second.
[06:12] <Drako60> theine, i'm using hoary
[06:13] <theine> Drako60, which repository causes you trouble?
[06:13] <theine> Drako60, all?
[06:13] <Drako60> theine, all
[06:13] <mindspin> cary on my thinkpad disabling acpi helped in that case
[06:13] <mindspin> but this could be a thinkpad issue
[06:14] <Drako60> theine, but its only on the packages.gz the rest are fine, now if i could figure out how to get it to download the packages.bz2 it wouldn't be a problem
[06:14] <steron> Falke, back
[06:14] <cazabam> mindspin: thinkpads (certainly anything before and including T22) have bizarre ACPI related issues. Some seem to work OK, some seem not.. it's weird
[06:14] <theine> Drako60, there are also bzip2 compressed Package lists (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 for instance)
[06:14] <mindspin> Drako sudo apt-get install bz2 ?
[06:14] <cary> mindspin, what? i am trying mostly to get the audio to work correctly. i can Barely hear it. i just dont know what to do with this "patch"
[06:14] <theine> Drako60, ah, you already knew that...
[06:14] <steron> Falke, tell me what you have done
[06:15] <mindspin> cazbam Yep thats true, mine is a600x
[06:15] <Falke> yes, im on it
[06:15] <Falke> i am writing ;)
[06:15] <Falke> 1 min please
[06:15] <theine> Drako60, have you looked in the forums whether there are any other people havng the same problem?
[06:15] <Drako60> mindspin, i've had bz2 from the start or else it wouldn't be giving me errors
[06:15] <jbwiv> to answer my own question, in case anyone's curious, you can use dpkg-repack...
[06:15] <cazabam> mindspin: I had a plain 600, and it was well weird, but my newer T21 seems fine with ACPI
[06:15] <Drako60> theine, not yet
[06:15] <theine> Drako60, I would do that
[06:15] <steron> ok
[06:15] <Falke> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/106
[06:16] <Falke> my modem ip is 10.0.0.138
[06:16] <osity> does anyone in here use ubuntu?
[06:16] <Whistler> i use
[06:16] <mindspin> Drako60 sorry your problem sounds weird
[06:16] <Falke> so whe i type "pptp 10.0.0.138"  as root, it connects
[06:16] <mindspin> and I can give you no help sorry
[06:16] <brett> Can anyone help with automatically connecting wireless to an AP at boot.  I can do it manually with `sudo iwlist wlan0 scan' I'm at my wit's end with this.
[06:16] <osity> whistler.....what have you read about raid?
[06:16] <Drako60> yeah it is weird mindspin
[06:17] <Whistler> osity that raid is not nessecary hardawe and it can be software
[06:17] <theine> Drako60, which mirror are you using?
[06:17] <Drako60> ftp.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
[06:17] <theine> Drako60, archive.ubuntu.com or some other mirror?
[06:17] <Whistler> osity using it u can get more performance
[06:17] <theine> Drako60, ok
[06:18] <mindspin> cary you better find a powerbook user ;-)
[06:18] <theine> so what's the deb line in your sources.list?
[06:18] <Falke> steron, are you here ?
[06:18] <chombee> Can anyone give me a command that will list my network interfaces? etho etc. Will ifconfig contain all of them?
[06:18] <steron> Falke, sorry, first you should be sure which devices you're using. If you've got only a modem, then you've to go through ppp0. If you've got a router, then it's his job to connect to your browser.
[06:18] <mindspin> ifconfig
[06:18] <theine> chombee, ifconfig -a
[06:18] <Falke> sry, no router
[06:18] <Falke> forget the router
[06:18] <prego> how do I have to change the marillat line since debian has released new version?
[06:19] <Falke> i have to dial in
[06:19] <steron> Falke, I think this channel is the wrong place for this problem
[06:19] <Falke> and my provider uses pptp
[06:19] <chombee> mindspin without the -a it lists only active ones, theine thanks
[06:19] <theine> Drako60, try to remove 'ftp.' from 'ftp.archive.ubuntu.com' and try again
[06:19] <Falke> ?
[06:19] <mindspin> you're right
[06:19] <Falke> why that please ?
[06:19] <steron> Falke, you should better check out some websites for that
[06:19] <chombee> theine, mindpsin - eth0 is inactive, what do I use to bring it up? ifupdown? It's dhcp so I don't want to configure it
[06:20] <Falke> i have
[06:20] <theine> chombee, ifup
[06:20] <Falke> i made it after a german tutorial from ubuntuusers.de
[06:20] <theine> chombee, ifup eth0
[06:20] <Falke> and it didnt work
[06:20] <steron> Falke, i don't think that it's a problem with ubuntu...
[06:20] <theine> chombee, check /etc/net/interfaces whether dhcp is anabled for eth0
[06:20] <Falke> it is
[06:20] <Falke> it works well with windows
[06:20] <mindspin> Falke which provider ?
[06:20] <Falke> aon
[06:20] <steron> Falke, but i've to go... good luck!
[06:20] <theine> chombee, sorry, that's /etc/network/interfaces
[06:20] <Falke> ok, sija
[06:20] <Falke> thank you
[06:21] <chombee> theine - ifup eth0 complains that the interface is unknown
[06:21] <theine> chombee, but it is listed by `ifconfig -a'
[06:21] <theine> chombee, ?
[06:21] <chombee> theine - yes
[06:21] <mindspin> tried sudo/etc/init.d/networking restart?
[06:21] <theine> chombee, then check /etc/network/interfaces
[06:22] <mindspin> chombee route?
[06:22] <chombee> theine: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet...
[06:22] <chombee> mindspin ?
[06:22] <newbie> Hello
[06:22] <theine> chombee, perhaps paste it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl so we can take a look at it
[06:22] <newbie> can anyone please help me
[06:22] <chiefofthejojo1> what do you need newbie?
[06:22] <chombee> theine - in interfaces I see mapping hotplug script grep map eth0
[06:22] <newbie> ok
[06:22] <mindspin> do you have a default gateway entry?
[06:22] <Codeman7> I just installed 5.04 on my laptop, and every minute or so the pointer/insertion point freezes up for a solid second, and then returns so I can use it... it's like the whole system stops for a second.
[06:23] <Drako60> i just love this dns problem
[06:23] <newbie> i am trying to move a file to a folder but it is sayign i don't have permission
[06:23] <newbie> how can i fix that?
[06:23] <Falke> is this the right syntax for pap-secrets : <username> * <password> *  ?
[06:23] <chiefofthejojo1> you need to chmod either the file or the folder
[06:23] <chombee> mindspin - I tried rebooting the machine
[06:23] <bigfoot1> anybody using "block Ads" in their Firefox's usercontent.css file?
[06:23] <theine> chombee, is there a line saying "iface eth0 inet dhcp"?
[06:23] <mindspin> Falke seems to
[06:23] <chiefofthejojo1> or, you could su root so you have all permissions
[06:23] <chombee> mindspin - I don't know if I have a default gateway, but it should DHCP
[06:23] <newbie> how do u do that?
[06:23] <chiefofthejojo1> which one?
[06:23] <chombee> theine - in interfaces? no
[06:24] <prego> newbie, is that folder yours?
[06:24] <newbie> chmod the folder
[06:24] <newbie> no i think it's the root
[06:24] <Drako60> theine, i have no idea why that worked but thank you
[06:24] <mindspin> chombe try route
[06:24] <prego> newbie, bad news then
[06:24] <newbie> what?
[06:24] <chiefofthejojo1> do "ls -l" on the folder and that shows you what permissions you have on it
[06:24] <theine> chombee, me neither, but you're welcome :)
[06:24] <mindspin> you'll see if there is a default gw
[06:24] <theine> chombee, you need to add that line
[06:24] <prego> newbie, which folder is it?
[06:25] <chiefofthejojo1> well, not on the folder, on the folder's parent
[06:25] <Drako60> now to figure out the dns issue i have
[06:25] <newbie> it's the apache www folder
[06:25] <chombee> theine - I would paste the stuff, but it's on another laptop that has no network connection working... maybe I'll copy it out by hand if easier stuff doesn't work
[06:25] <newbie> i am trying to move files to it
[06:25] <mindspin> newbie is it your machine?
[06:25] <chiefofthejojo1> is it your computer newbie?
[06:25] <newbie> yes
[06:25] <mindspin> ;-)
[06:25] <theine> chombee, don't worry, you only need 3 lines...
[06:25] <chiefofthejojo1> do you have the root password?
[06:25] <theine> chombee, auto lo
[06:25] <theine> chombee, iface lo inet loopback
[06:25] <theine> chombee, iface eth0 inet dhcp
[06:26] <newbie> well, i am the only one usuing the computer, but how do i know?
[06:26] <newbie> is it my password?
[06:26] <bigfoot1> what's the command for running fx in safe mode?
[06:26] <theine> chombee, and, if you want to bring up eth0 automatically at boot:
[06:26] <theine> chombee, auto eth0
[06:26] <chombee> theine - good, thanks, I now have all three of those lines
[06:26] <chiefofthejojo1> you need to know your root password
[06:26] <prego> newbie, OK, I see then, try with "sudo nautilus --no-desktop", browse to that folder and drag the files into that nautilus window. But be careful with what you do with that/those nautilus root windows....
[06:26] <theine> chombee, try again
[06:26] <mindspin> newbie sudo cp blah.php /path/to apache/docs
[06:26] <Drako60> i have three entries in resolv.conf primary and secondary nameserver and search domain.actdsltmp but when trying to connect to multiply sites or irc servers, it often reads the IP address as 1.0.0.0 any idea?
[06:26] <chombee> theine - added auto eth0 as well
[06:27] <chombee> theine - rebooting
[06:27] <newbie> what is blah.php?
[06:27] <mindspin> the name of your php file
[06:27] <theine> chombee, a reboot wasn't necessary
[06:27] <theine> chombee, but won't do any harm either :)
[06:27] <chombee> theine - I know, but I don't know the command
[06:27] <theine> chombee, which command?
[06:28] <mindspin> chombee sudo/etc/init.d/networking restart would have done it
[06:28] <chombee> theine - to restart the network interfaces
[06:28] <mindspin> chombee sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart would have done it
[06:28] <cary> is there any known issue with powerbook sound being basically inaudible?
[06:28] <chombee> mindspin - yeah, that one
[06:28] <tsw> hmm If ubuntu is for desktop usage and maybe for test servers (usually used by only one person) should apache (and some other services) be installed so that the first user has rights to it autoagically? (just a thought)
[06:28] <theine> chombee, or just ifup eth0
[06:28] <chombee> theine - thanks
[06:29] <chombee> theine - excellent, it looks like it did it! Finally this HD can see some repositories, I hope
[06:29] <theine> chombee, nice
[06:29] <prego> tsw, first user has sudo privileges, nevertheless
[06:29] <mindspin> I#m wondering with which nick newbie will come again
[06:29] <prego> mindspin, he he
[06:30] <Drako60> this is annoying
[06:30] <theine> chombee, I wonder why the eth0 entry in /etc/network/interfaces wasn't there in the first place...
[06:30] <tsw> prego: thats true, Imm just curious, should we try to teach everyone how to do these things or just make it work "out of the apt" :)
[06:30] <chombee> theine - from a server install, what command will get the default system and update everything? sudo apt-get install ubuntu-base ubuntu-desktop ?
[06:30] <theine> chombee, that's right
[06:31] <theine> chombee, or just ubuntu-desktop
[06:31] <prego> tsw, teach, teach, teach and then .... learn!
[06:31] <mindspin> tsw It should not be too easy
[06:31] <chombee> theine - this HD was previously in another laptop with no network card, we just transplanted it, and apparently hotplug didn't autoconfigure all the new hardware
[06:31] <theine> chombee, ...which depends on ubuntu-base I guess
[06:31] <theine> chombee, ah, I see
[06:31] <tsw> prego: yes, but not everyone needs to be sysadmin
[06:31] <Drako60> i have three entries in resolv.conf primary and secondary nameserver and search domain.actdsltmp but when trying to connect to multiply sites or irc servers, it often reads the IP address as 1.0.0.0 but oddly if i do ping url i can connect just fine any idea?
[06:31] <lancer285> how do I switch run levels in ubuntu? I tried sudo init 3 and nothing happens
[06:31] <prego> tsw, I *like* having to put "sudo" prefix to dangerous commads, you know.
[06:31] <chombee> theine - do you think much will go wrong if I apt-get the default system, then transplant the HD back in the other laptop?
[06:32] <mindspin> Drako60 try another nameserver
[06:32] <prego> lancer285, are you sure??
[06:32] <tsw> then again I dont have a clue how these things work in windows (where most of newbies came from)
[06:32] <prego> lancer285, what says "runlevel" command?
[06:32] <theine> chombee, no,I don't think so
[06:32] <Drako60> mindspin, i have i still get the same thing
[06:32] <mindspin> tsw ;-)
[06:32] <chombee> theine - well, wish me luck
[06:32] <lancer285> prego: I want to be able to install my nvidia drivers, can't do it while X is running
[06:32] <theine> chombee, sure, i'll cross my fingers...
[06:32] <prego> tsw, that's the main reason because dummies bork their windows installations, IMHO. It's long I don't use windows anyway.
[06:32] <cspan> lancer285, can't you?
[06:33] <tsw> prego: I like sudo too, helps with slow head and fast fingers :)
[06:33] <likkashot> Im trying to install a theme and everytime it says wrong file format
[06:33] <likkashot> and its a tar.gz
[06:33] <chombee> theine - I suppose I'll return in a couple of hours, I need to configure a non-standard wireless card before doing the re-transplant
[06:33] <prego> lancer285, I see, but check that X11 is not at runlevel 3, btw.
[06:33] <theine> chombee, okidoki
[06:34] <prego> lancer285, cannot try it myself since I'm working... despite of chatting :-P
[06:34] <prego> lancer285, btw, are you using apt repositories for nvidia or just using the nvidia installer directly?
[06:34] <lancer285> is the red text to me, someone that's whispering?
[06:35] <theine> chombee, you probably know that, but don't forget to run apt-get update before you install ubuntu-desktop...
[06:35] <prego> tsw, I also suffer from that disease.
[06:35] <lancer285> I was going to use the nvidia installer.
[06:35] <kdibble> could someone tell me the procedure to get the tun interface to route?
[06:36] <chombee> theine - yes I did
[06:36] <prego> lancer285, I've not yet used nvidia+ubuntu but I would try first with repositories nvidia drivers, I guess that you don't have to change your runlevel at all.
[06:36] <prego> lancer285, just restart Xserver once the upgrade has completed (and perhaps check before the /etc/X11/xorg.conf)
[06:37] <lancer285> prego: okay, thanks.
[06:37] <lancer285> also, Firefox won't start up.
[06:37] <prego> lancer285, also check the wiki site, perhaps there is specific informaiton
[06:37] <prego> lancer285, since when??
[06:37] <lancer285> prego since I installed it. I just installed Ubuntu yesterday. Had LOTS of probs
[06:38] <prego> lancer285, it has never worked?
[06:38] <Drako60> sometimes ubuntu does some really weird things
[06:38] <lancer285> prego: no, I cannot open Firefox. It just says 'starting firefox' then it quits
[06:38] <Drako60> why can't i install irssi-snapshot without synaptic removing ubuntu-desktop?
[06:38] <prego> lancer285, I would fix the problems prior to any nvidia driver installation.
[06:38] <lancer285> I tried running it from a terminal, and I didn't get any error mesage
[06:39] <prego> lancer285, reinstall it.
[06:39] <lancer285> firefox?
[06:39] <prego> lancer285, the firefox I mean, of course.
[06:39] <lancer285> okay
[06:39] <prego> lancer285, also try with epiphany,...
[06:39] <Mwnci> i have used apt to install rt2500 from debian.org    how do I run this program or get ubuntu to register the card
[06:39] <lancer285> k
[06:40] <prego> lancer285, btw you have installed flash plugin?
[06:40] <Drako60> where can i get irssi 0.8.10?
[06:40] <lancer285> no
[06:40] <prego> lancer285, and are you using composite extension? (well, have you got it enabled at xorg.conf?)
[06:40] <theine> chombee, because irssi-snapshot conflicts with irssi-text which is a dependency of ubuntu-desktop
[06:41] <theine> Drako60, because irssi-snapshot conflicts with irssi-text which is a dependency of ubuntu-desktop
[06:41] <lancer285> No, this install is fresh outta the box. I haven't edited the conf file at all
[06:41] <prego> lancer285, -it is not enabled by default, so I guess that everything is OK)
[06:41] <lancer285> k
[06:41] <lancer285> prego, are you whispering to me?
[06:42] <zzzap> CAN ANYONE HELP ME
[06:42] <zzzap> IS THERE A WAY TO INSTALL WINDOWS FONTS ON UBUNTU?
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[06:42] <GNULinuxer> zzzap, yes
[06:42] <lancer285> plz don't shout (:
[06:42] <zzzap> ok, sorry about the caps
[06:42] <zzzap> i wasen't shoting
[06:42] <chombee> theine - I guess that last comment was for someone else
[06:42] <prego> lancer285, no... what do you mean?
[06:42] <zzzap> *shouting
[06:43] <Mwnci> nobody know?
[06:43] <repete> zzzap: you can just copy the .ttf files to ~/.fonts
[06:43] <Drako60> theine, well thats lovely but i need 0.8.10 which apparently can only be gotten through cvs or snapshot, and the cvs when compiled with fakeroot debian/rules binary gives the version 0.7 something which then conflicts with apt
[06:43] <theine> chombee, it was
[06:43] <zzzap> what do u mean? repete
[06:43] <chombee> theine - I suppose I should remove those lines that I added to interfaces before re-transplanting the HD, because in the other laptop they will no longer be relevant?
[06:43] <GNULinuxer> zzzap, sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[06:43] <prego> zzzap, there is specific instructions at the ubuntuguide.org, but GNULinuxer has extracted them to you ;-)
[06:43] <repete> zzzap: I believe if you google for microsoft fonts there is a sourceforge project that has a download for the fonts
[06:44] <zzzap> repete, thank you soo much!
[06:44] <theine> chombee, they'll probably be appropriate for the other system as well
[06:44] <repete> zzzap: you untar that file and copy the files into ~/.fonts
[06:44] <repete> zzzap: np
[06:44] <zzzap> oh, ok
[06:44] <demantik> Quick question  - GTK...whats the name to be searching for to use with apt-get
[06:44] <zzzap> is ~/.fonts a folder?
[06:44] <theine> chombee, they'll probably be appropriate for the other system as well
[06:44] <GNULinuxer> prego, i am thinking about learning the guide by heart ... for those newbies who don't read the guide
[06:44] <GNULinuxer> zzzap, sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[06:45] <zzzap> i did that
[06:45] <zzzap> now what do i do?
[06:45] <demar> hi there
[06:45] <GNULinuxer> zzzap, sudo fc-cache -f -v
[06:45] <chombee> theine - actually, the other system has no (working) ethernet card, though it does have a proprietary external wireless card
[06:45] <prego> GNULinuxer, so you are right now doing "sudo apt-get install-into-user-memory ubuntuguide"?
[06:45] <chombee> theine - do I configure wireless interfaces in the same interfaces file?
[06:45] <demar> finally i got my ubuntu today
[06:45] <demar> and know its installed
[06:45] <GNULinuxer> prego, lol
[06:45] <zzzap> Thank you GNULinuxer
[06:46] <theine> chombee, yes
[06:46] <GNULinuxer> zzzap, my pleasure
[06:46] <zzzap> is that all i have to do?
[06:46] <ka7ana> hey there, any docs available about using NDIS wrapper with Ubuntu Linux?
[06:46] <demantik> anybody
[06:46] <GNULinuxer> zzzap, no, you have to format your / too
[06:46] <zzzap> how?
[06:46] <sith__> espanol!!!!!!!!!!! plz
[06:46] <sith__> where?
[06:46] <demar> i'm starting to like ubuntu
[06:46] <chombee> theine - nice
[06:46] <theine> chombee, my wireless interface is called eth1, but it could be that it would be eth0 if I didn't have a ethernet device
[06:47] <GNULinuxer> zzzap, mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1
[06:47] <chombee> theine - oh
[06:47] <brett> ka7ana: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683 helped me out a lot
[06:47] <Evgheni> hello
[06:47] <theine> chombee, what wireless card is in there by the way?"
[06:47] <Whistler> how do i take a screenshot?
[06:47] <prego> GNULinuxer, you should not make that sort of jokes....
[06:48] <concept10> ka7ana, check the wiki there is a writeup for ndiswrapper
[06:48] <GNULinuxer> prego, lol
[06:48] <prego> zzzap do not do that!!!
[06:48] <theine> chombee, in any case, i would leave the line in for now as it won't cause any harm, even if the wireless interface is not called eth0
[06:48] <ka7ana> okidoki, thanks
[06:48] <prego> oops he is not here.....
[06:48] <GNULinuxer> prego, he is gone
[06:48] <GNULinuxer> prego, i thought he'll understand
[06:48] <prego> lets hope he is not gone because he has input that line :-P
[06:49] <GNULinuxer> prego, that's why i said FORMAT and not just mkfs
[06:49] <root_____>  /query ^siro
[06:49] <chombee> theine - we have a Linkyss Wireless-G WPC54G. I think we will need to d/l and compile ndiswrapper and a Windows driver and build a kernel module...
[06:49] <Whistler> how do i take a screenshot?
[06:49] <prego> GNULinuxer, lol, but scared at the same time...
[06:49] <theine> chombee, probably...
[06:50] <tarvid> how do I change screen resolution?
[06:50] <brett> chombee: from what I've read in the forums, the default ndiswrapper should work for that card.
[06:50] <brett> I'm on a WMP54GS
[06:50] <prego> GNULinuxer, did you read the "hacker" auto-hacked at chat story?
[06:50] <GNULinuxer> prego, no
[06:50] <GNULinuxer> prego, what is the story?
[06:51] <tarvid> System, Screen Resolution only offers 640x480
[06:51] <demantik> Can anybody tell me what Solaris is like?....and what the primary desktop is, what makes it different from linux etc....and open/free bsd = what difference.
[06:51] <prego> GNULinuxer, was about a guy that entered a chat sayig "I will hack you, giveme your IP"
[06:51] <GNULinuxer> prego, ya
[06:51] <prego> GNULinuxer, and they have him "172.26.0.1".....
[06:51] <theine> chombee, you don't need to compile ndiswrapper though
[06:51] <GNULinuxer> prego, somebody gave him 127.0.0.1
[06:51] <prego> GNULinuxer, sorry, you are right.
[06:51] <theine> chombee, it's available in the ubuntu repos afaik
[06:51] <GNULinuxer> prego, ya
[06:51] <prego> GNULinuxer, and I am too sleepy
[06:52] <chombee> brett - what do you mean? that doesn't seem to match with the nidswrapper instructions on the site, explain?
[06:52] <GNULinuxer> prego, goodnight
[06:52] <prego> he he
[06:52] <GNULinuxer> prego, but where are you?
[06:52] <chombee> theine - good, thanks
[06:52] <mindspin> demantik I would suggest you to google and read about that..
[06:52] <chombee> theine - now that on day three we can finally talk to some repos.
[06:52] <prego> GNULinuxer, in spain, it is  almost 19:00 here, awaiting for weekend
[06:52] <theine> chombee, sorry, actually you do need to compile it...
[06:52] <lancer285> how do I change the owner for a whole selection of directories?
[06:52] <demantik> haha...yeah, i should know better than to speak of it in a linux room :| i did search..didnt find much....ill look later..
[06:52] <brett> chombee: the instructions are written for specific .inf file, but you can substitute the proper .inf for your driver
[06:53] <GNULinuxer> prego, i see
[06:53] <GNULinuxer> prego, i have met quite a few good guys here in this chan
[06:53] <chombee> brett - so what is the procedure?
[06:53] <veronica> hi everyone.....im trying raid for the first time....
[06:53] <mindspin> demantik its not because its alinux room, it#s because its to much to talk and "slightly" ot
[06:54] <veronica> anyone ever heard of it
[06:54] <GNULinuxer> veronica, yes
[06:54] <GNULinuxer> veronica, what type of raid?
[06:54] <veronica> software raid 1 have you heard of it...
[06:54] <demantik> fair enough..
[06:54] <brett> chombee: Instructions here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25683 but substitute in the proper .inf file name for your driver.
[06:54] <veronica> im new at all this
[06:54] <GNULinuxer> veronica, ya
[06:54] <thenuke> veronica: there are many kinds of "raid levels"
[06:54] <ST4TIK> software raid *shudders*
[06:55] <GNULinuxer> thenuke, she's talking about RAID/1
[06:55] <brett> chombee: if that doesn't work, you'll need to compile ndiswrapper from source.  But compiling from source will prevent you from installing updates to the linux-image package
[06:56] <chombee> brett - hmm... thanks
[06:56] <theine> brett, ah, so the ubuntu kernel includes the ndiswrapper module out of the box?
[06:56] <GNULinuxer> theine, yes
[06:56] <brett> theine: yes, an older version
[06:56] <GNULinuxer> theine, the restricted modules package
[06:57] <brett> 1.0rc2.  latest is 1.2
[06:57] <theine> brentd, GNULinuxer, nice
[06:57] <veronica> has anyone ever set this complicated stuff up
[06:58] <chrissturm> veronica: look at evms
[06:58] <veronica> what's that?
[06:58] <GNULinuxer> veronica, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallingToRAID1
[06:59] <veronica> thank you GNULinuxer
[06:59] <GNULinuxer> veronica, my pleasure
[07:00] <demantik> LOL @ GNULinuxer
[07:00] <GNULinuxer> demantik, why?
[07:00] <demantik> nevermind
[07:00] <GNULinuxer> demantik, wtf was that?
[07:00] <demantik> hahaha
[07:00] <veronica> veronika= osity  haha
[07:01] <GNULinuxer> demantik, you laugh at me and say never mind? as if i laughed at you
[07:01] <demantik> dont worry about it. ;)
[07:01] <demantik> LOL
[07:02] <Fabian> pfp, ya here?
[07:02] <lxuser> hi evey body
[07:02] <apogee> mmm
[07:02] <Whistler> hi lxuser
[07:02] <Whistler> =] 
[07:03] <apogee> GNULinuxer gets angry quickly LOL
[07:03] <GNULinuxer> apogee, i was joking dude
[07:03] <apogee> haha...its all good...
[07:03] <Fabian> pfp, done and booted correctly! :D
[07:04] <Fabian> how can I see, if my swap partition is being used?
[07:04] <theine> Fabian, swapon -s
[07:04] <apogee> anyway people im out, 1504 here :|.....cyaz
[07:04] <GNULinuxer> Fabian, free
[07:04] <kimu> hi~ this is my first time to use linux
[07:04] <GNULinuxer> Fabian, the command is Free
[07:04] <Dalkus> what command takes a screenshot?
[07:05] <prego> Dalkus, press the "print screen" button at keyboard
[07:05] <Dalkus> yeah... I know... but is there a cli command to do it?
[07:05] <Fabian> GNULinuxer, mmhhh, what can I do, if swap is not used? how can I tell ubuntu where the swap partition is?
[07:05] <prego> Dalkus, there are also commands for that but then the shell is caught with the command being fired :-P
[07:05] <GNULinuxer> Fabian, swapon -a
[07:06] <theine> Fabian, is your swap partition listed in /etc/fstab?
[07:06] <prego> Dalkus, the so old xwld or something like that (I can't recall correctly)
[07:06] <Dalkus> thanks :)
[07:06] <lxuser> im looking for how to add some libraries missin in my Ubuntu
[07:06] <GNULinuxer> lxuser, like?
[07:06] <lxuser> i need to run JBuilder
[07:07] <ren0> I am using a laptop with only one dvd-burner. Can I make a copy of an audio cd using k3b? Or do I need to buy an external cd drive?
[07:07] <lxuser>  ./jbuilder: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:07] <Codeman7> I just installed 5.04 on my laptop, and every minute or so the pointer/insertion point freezes up for a solid second, and then returns so I can use it... it's like the whole system stops for a second.
[07:07] <concept10> ren0, Yes
[07:08] <GNULinuxer> lxuser, sudo apt-get install libstdc++
[07:08] <concept10> ren0, that is you can copy with one burner
[07:08] <c_rodge> how can i download the codecs so i can view avi files in gnome
[07:08] <prego> Codeman7, perhaps you shoud disable acpi for your laptop.
[07:08] <ren0> So is it just a matter of inserting the cd click on copy...then insert the cd-r when k3b asks for it?
[07:09] <theine> lxuser, you need to install  libs/libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 from universe
[07:09] <concept10> ren0, yes. it copies the cd to the harddrive then back to the blank
[07:09] <prego> ren0, I never copy audio CDs, I transfer the songs to the hardrive with cdparanoia and then I burn a new CD afterwards.
[07:09] <GNULinuxer> lxuser, libstdc++6 - The GNU Standard C++ Library v3
[07:09] <GNULinuxer> libstdc++6-4.0-dbg - The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 (debugging files)
[07:09] <GNULinuxer> libstdc++6-4.0-dev - The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 (development files)
[07:09] <GNULinuxer> libstdc++6-4.0-doc - The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 (documentation files)
[07:09] <GNULinuxer> libstdc++6-4.0-pic - The GNU Standard C++ Library v3 (shared library subset kit)
[07:09] <prego> ren0, I'm very paranoic in audio matters, btw.
[07:10] <Drako60> c_rodge, try mplayer
[07:10] <theine> lxuser, if you're missing some shared libraries, you can always go on http://packages.ubuntu.com and search te contents of all available packages for a specific file
[07:10] <ren0> OK. Thanks concept10 , and prego...I'll give both a try. You are not paranoid...Its just everyone is against you.
[07:11] <theine> lxuser, sudo apt-get install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[07:12] <GNULinuxer> theine, lxuser is not listening
[07:12] <Choubaka> Hmm. I got my Ubuntu CDs today.
[07:12] <Choubaka> :D
[07:12] <lxuser> with sudo apt-get intall libstdc++ i get errors of not found package
[07:12] <Drako60> hmm i can't seem to find libc6 anywhere
[07:13] <theine> GNULinuxer, too bad...
[07:13] <theine> lxuser, sudo apt-get install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[07:13] <GNULinuxer> lxuser, scroll up and see
[07:13] <lxuser> sory i was tryn what u were sayin
[07:13] <theine> lxuser, believe me, you want to do that...
[07:13] <GNULinuxer> lxuser, don't be so fast
[07:14] <theine> lxuser, then you need to enable the universe repository
[07:14] <Fabian> can I reload fstab somehow, without a complete reboot?
[07:14] <theine> Fabian, what do you mean "reload"?
[07:15] <GNULinuxer> theine, to make it active
[07:15] <prego> ren0, "cdparanoia -Q" shows the songs
[07:15] <lxuser> wait, wait.... the first step was edit source.list
[07:15] <Fabian> well, I changed the definition of my swap partition in fstab. And I want it to use that swap partition now
[07:15] <prego> ren0, "cdparanoia -B1-12" extracts songs from 1 to 12
[07:15] <lxuser> and uncomment all lines that began with deb...
[07:15] <lxuser> then i made apt-get update
[07:16] <Fabian> theine, well, I changed the definition of my swap partition in fstab. And I want it to use that swap partition now
[07:16] <theine> lxuser, uncomment _all_ lines that begin with deb???
[07:17] <theine> lxuser, go back to how it was and replace all occurencies of "main restircted" with "main restricted universe multiverse"
[07:17] <lxuser> sorry about my english... i'm form Nicaragua im doin' my best effort
[07:17] <Quest-Master> Can someone link me to a download for the Bluecurve Metacity theme?
[07:17] <veronica> i installed ubuntu using the raid option...it's up and running butwill it reboot ?
[07:17] <veronica> im scared to restart it
[07:18] <theine> Fabian, have you formatted your swap partition as swap?
[07:18] <theine> Fabian, and set the partition type to swap?
[07:18] <thenuke> to not have an swap-partition might not be an issue if one has enough ram
[07:19] <theine> lxuser, don't worry, could you perhaps paste your /etc/apt/sources.list at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl ?
[07:19] <lxuser> does anybody speak spanish..?
[07:19] <tsume> lxuser: #ubuntu no hable Espanol :P
[07:20] <envel> kubuntu  - is it good?
[07:20] <thenuke> yo hablo Espanol, or not.
[07:20] <forsaker8k6> beeter ubuntu
[07:20] <thenuke> lxuser: try #ubuntu.es for Spanish users
[07:20] <tsume> envel: well, KDE is lightyears ahead of GNOME
[07:20] <forsaker8k6> or my e-ubuntu as i like to name mine
[07:20] <chombee> Okay now I have the GNOME desktop, but the resolution is stuck at 640x480, 60Hz, GNOME gives no other options, how do I fix this?
[07:20] <envel> kubuntu is better than ubuntu?
[07:20] <iceonnet> how to install xvid?
[07:21] <tsume> envel: the only difference is KDE and gnome
[07:21] <thenuke> envel: is gnome better than kde? it's your choice :)
[07:21] <envel> tsume: and that's all?
[07:21] <tsume> envel: yep
[07:21] <envel> tsume: hmmm... thanks
[07:21] <tsume> thenuke: actually KDE being better than GNOME is a fact
[07:22] <forsaker8k6> tsume... it's a metter of choice
[07:22] <forsaker8k6> i preder gnome
[07:22] <forsaker8k6> prefer
[07:22] <concept10> forsaker8k6, I agree with you
[07:22] <forsaker8k6> personally
[07:22] <envel> I always thought that KDE is so slow. But in Kubuntu... It's so fast. And GNOME too
[07:22] <tsume> thenuke: GNOME doesn't have policy settings, its not customisation like KDE, The GNOME API isn't as complex if you read code.
[07:22] <tsume> forsaker8k6: not really
[07:22] <concept10> tsume, what policy settings?
[07:23] <forsaker8k6> and now i'm falling in gnome with Enlightenment e17
[07:23] <forsaker8k6> on wich i am now
[07:23] <tsume> concept10: you can have policies like in Windows. KDE is great on networks when you need to restrict settings
[07:23] <envel> tsume: what do you recomend for desktop to user who had just working in Windows?
[07:23] <tsume> envel: KDE. Gnome is straight forward, but not as complex
[07:23] <theine> envel, I'd go for Ubuntu as it is more polished IMHO
[07:24] <envel> hmmm....
[07:24] <concept10> tsume, Im not understanding what policies you are talking about
[07:24] <tsume> envel: I've both instllation disks of ubuntu
[07:24] <tsume> concept10: KDE has restriction policies
[07:24] <tsume> concept10: GNOME does now.
[07:24] <tsume> *not*
[07:24] <concept10> tsume, restrictions on what?
[07:25] <theine> tsume, that's nice, but what are those "restricted policies" actually?
[07:26] <envel> How to make in GNOME menu button like in KDE (or Windows)?
[07:26] <tsume> forsaker8k6: thats because gnome people are slightly deprived
[07:26] <Choubaka> envel: Be more specific please.
[07:26] <tsume> envel: gnome should have a menu on the bottom
[07:26] <Choubaka> tsume: No, it's because people generalise (based on some bad feature they don't like)
[07:26] <tsume> *menubar
[07:27] <concept10> forsaker8k6, because people like to advocate thier desktop wm.  Theres nothing wrong with Gnome or KDE
[07:27] <tsume> Choubaka: you mean gnome people are clueless :)
[07:27] <forsaker8k6> boyz get enlightened :D choos E as your desktop shell
[07:27] <envel> Choubaka: I want to have one Start Menu button, not "Applications", "System", "Places"
[07:27] <theine> tsume, actually, it's at the top...
[07:27] <Choubaka> tsume: they are not. :P
[07:27] <Choubaka> It's actually better to have the menu on top, you know.
[07:27] <tsume> theine: well, I drag 2 bars around my screen. Ones on top, other on bottom
[07:27] <forsaker8k6> i agree with you concept10
[07:27] <Choubaka> you need to move the mouse less.
[07:27] <tsume> Choubaka: there is a menu on tpo, but I've special applet needs
[07:27] <theine> tsume, me too, but by default, the applications menu is at the top
[07:27] <concept10> envel, thats how gnome 2.10 is.  You can customize that if you want
[07:28] <hellfire> does someone use dvd burner
[07:28] <theine> envel, what's your beef with the menu layout in Gnome?
[07:28] <Rockett17> IMHO I never liked the feel of KDE. It always felt too cluttered
[07:28] <theine> hellfire, I do
[07:28] <hellfire> because i have problems with mine
[07:28] <forsaker8k6> me too Rockett17
[07:28] <hellfire> it`s pioneer 107
[07:28] <concept10> Rockett17, Yes. too much.
[07:29] <hellfire> and i can`t write with speed higher than 2x
[07:29] <tsume> http://jriddell.org/programs/kiosk-article.html
[07:29] <concept10> KDE 3.4 does look nice, but I like gnome.  I like the look of GTK better than QT
[07:29] <tsume> KDE is more advanced, like it or not
[07:29] <theine> hellfire, it could be that you need to enable DMA for your DVD drive
[07:29] <Choubaka> tsume: Anyway, I don't use gnome, but I don't use KDE either. And honestly I'd rather use gnome than KDE as things are now. Because of this, I resent your "GNOME people are clueless" -generalisation.
[07:29] <Choubaka> tsume: What do you have to prove that?
[07:29] <tsume> concept10: well, Qt is overpriced :)
[07:29] <theine> hellfire, hdparm /dev/dvd
[07:30] <Choubaka> Gnome is more advanced when it comes to internationalisation.
[07:30] <forsaker8k6> Choubaka, what dm r you using?
[07:30] <tsume> Choubaka: read links I posted
[07:30] <tsume> http://jriddell.org/programs/kiosk-article.html
[07:30] <Choubaka> forsaker8k6: xfce4.
[07:30] <theine> hellfire, check whether using_dma is on
[07:30] <forsaker8k6> never used.. gotta try one day or later
[07:30] <tsume> http://www.kde.org/areas/sysadmin/
[07:30] <Choubaka> Ok, actually it's GTK2 over QT which I prefer.
[07:30] <concept10> tsume, you can do that in gnome.  I see you just dont have knowledge about it
[07:31] <theine> hellfire, no, but other people did have such problems
[07:31] <Choubaka> UI wise, I hate both KDE and Gnome.
[07:31] <tsume> concept10: not as easy however
[07:31] <Funraiser> http://www.forbes.com/business/businesstech/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html
[07:31] <theine> hellfire, what does "hdparm /dev/dvd" give you?
[07:31] <chrissturm> i think qt is more advanced than gtk, but gnome looks much cleaner
[07:31] <concept10> tsume: stop the fud please
[07:31] <hellfire> it shows OFF
[07:31] <hellfire> how to enable it
[07:31] <chombee> Anyone here familiar with Hoary resolution problems? I'm sure this was up on the forums or somewhere but can't find it - GNOME will only let me choose 640x480
[07:31] <tsume> concept10: I don't see any links from you
[07:31] <tsume> concept10: you stop the fud
[07:32] <theine> hellfire, sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/dvd
[07:32] <concept10> tsume: I dont need to show links !  that was funny
[07:32] <tsume> concept10: now You're speaking out ass
[07:32] <concept10> tsume, I guess I have to shut you down.  I didnt want to do this.
[07:32] <theine> Guys, go to OSNews.com if you're looking for a flamewar...
[07:32] <hellfire> 10x theine i`m gonna try whether it worked
[07:33] <theine> hellfire, 10x ?
[07:33] <Choubaka> tsume: To each his own.
[07:33] <tsume> theine: hes probably done that already, so he comes to IRC ;)
[07:33] <hellfire> theine thanks
[07:34] <Choubaka> tsume: You can't say "KDE is more advanced than Gnome" because I can say "Gnome is more advanced than KDE". The Question is "more advanced in what?"
[07:34] <concept10> tsume, Are you talking about me?
[07:34] <hellfire> should i expect some probles after enabling this feature?
[07:34] <theine> hellfire, not very likely
[07:34] <hellfire> it worked thanks
[07:34] <theine> hellfire, as far as i know you have to edit /etc/hdparm.conf in order to make this change persistent across reboots
[07:34] <hellfire> will this work on nec and other dvd recoders
[07:35] <tsume> Choubaka: KDE is more advanced than GNOME in features, and advanced configurations
[07:35] <theine> hellfire, probably
[07:35] <Choubaka> tsume: which features?
[07:35] <hellfire> thanks fo help
[07:35] <ivoks> omg... gnome vs kde flames
[07:35] <Choubaka> tsume: It might be more configurable, but that's not always a good thing.
[07:35] <ivoks> guys, stop flaming
[07:35] <theine> hellfire, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DMA
[07:35] <Choubaka> ivoks: Neh.
[07:35] <tsume> Choubaka: Knowing takes looking around for yourself
[07:35] <likkashot> anobody giving help here
[07:36] <concept10> Okay, let me settle this.  tsume - you posted and said that gnome has no restriction policies and you also said gnome people are slightly deprived.  Who is contributing to a flame war, I ask?
[07:36] <chrissturm> are there any thoughts on using objective c as language for gtk development?
[07:36] <Funraiser> I think even the project founder of gnome says KDE is more advanced, there is nothing wrong with that...
[07:36] <Choubaka> I can't take the "KDE has better features" thing
[07:36] <Funraiser> I prefer gnome though
[07:36] <philuk86> is there a way to configure my system to use the hostname provided by the DNS server?
[07:36] <Choubaka> KDE (actually QT) lacks ONE feature I require. Therefore it's useless to me :/
[07:36] <HappyFool> d0rt: which version of emacs?
[07:36] <d0rt> 21
[07:36] <HappyFool> likkashot: ask a question if you have one
[07:36] <theine> My only real problem with Gnome is the close-to-featureless default window manager (metacity)...
[07:37] <Choubaka> Don't use it then
[07:37] <Funraiser> d
[07:37] <likkashot> I have 2 nic cards but one is not detected how do I install it
[07:37] <Funraiser> exactly
[07:37] <Choubaka> use fluxbox or xfwm or kwin :|
[07:37] <Ycros> Choubaka: what is that one feature?
[07:37] <Choubaka> Ycros: input modules.
[07:37] <d0rt> or openbox
[07:37] <tsume> concept10: I still have yet to see any links or proof from you for retaliating against my statements and proof
[07:37] <chrissturm> the "close to featurelessness" of gnome is what makes it so elegant
[07:37] <Ycros> Choubaka: for what language?
[07:37] <tsume> concept10: objc is nice btw, I've used it.
[07:37] <Funraiser> exactly
[07:37] <Choubaka> Ycros: any.
[07:38] <Choubaka> Ycros: "input modules" means being able to switch the input method on the fly.
[07:38] <tsume> its a better choice than mono
[07:38] <Ycros> yeah
[07:38] <concept10> tsume, this is all you need to see: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/
[07:38] <Choubaka> which QT can't do natively yet.
[07:38] <theine> Choubaka, of course I can use openbox etc., but still...
[07:38] <Ycros> I use kinput2 for japanese which works across everything
[07:38] <Choubaka> I hate kinput2 :|
[07:38] <Ycros> qt, gtk, xlib
[07:39] <Ycros> heh
[07:39] <concept10> tsume, if you cant determine that gnome has policies from that, thats your problem.
[07:39] <Ycros> it just works everywhere
[07:39] <Choubaka> I can't use Finnish when I use kinput2
[07:39] <Choubaka> because I need a japanese locale with kinput2
[07:39] <HappyFool> likkashot: not too sure. try checking System -> Adminstratration -> Device Manage to see if the card is at least detected, or try 'sudo lshw' in a terminal
[07:39] <Choubaka> -> no Finnish special characters :(
[07:39] <Ycros> I've fudged my locales
[07:39] <tsume> concept10: //www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/ <-- this is nothing compared to what KDE can do
[07:39] <Funraiser> philuk86, do u have a server?
[07:39] <Ycros> can't you use utf8?
[07:39] <Choubaka> And wrappers scripts are _not_ a solution. )
[07:39] <concept10> tsume, great. next conversation
[07:40] <chrissturm> tsume: what do you want to tell us?
[07:40] <philuk86> Funraiser: yes
[07:40] <Choubaka> Ycros: I do in fact.
[07:40] <likkashot> it says disabled
[07:40] <Choubaka> I guess I could set up UIM with XIM.
[07:40] <HappyFool> likkashot: where?
[07:40] <mencial> Good evening to all. I have a big problem: I cannot get the Ubuntu installer to install from a ISO file in a partition. I have installed it from CD-ROM, but this machine has no CD-ROM and I do not have the resources for a network install.
[07:40] <Choubaka> but I haven't managed to do that yet.
[07:40] <likkashot> in the terminal
[07:40] <Funraiser> philuk86, so yes there is a way but i have to way to do this in French
[07:41] <likkashot> *-network:1 DISABLED
[07:41] <likkashot>        description: controller
[07:41] <likkashot>        physical id: 4
[07:41] <likkashot>        logical name: sit0
[07:41] <Ycros> xim tends to work everywhere
[07:41] <Ycros> :P
[07:41] <Funraiser> the*
[07:41] <philuk86> Funraiser: vous parle en francais?
[07:41] <Funraiser> oui
[07:41] <Choubaka> Ycros: well, yes, but it's bound to one input method.
[07:41] <tsume> chrissturm: I want to tell you nothing, I was telling envel why KDE was better. THe conversation spun off
[07:41] <philuk86> Funraiser: daccord, continuer..
[07:41] <Ycros> Choubaka: what if that one input method is a proxy for others? isn't that what uim or something does?
[07:42] <Funraiser> it's a howto i found in the french ubuntu forum
[07:42] <HappyFool> likkashot: hrm. do you know what sit0 is? I have it too, but I only have one interface, as far as i know
[07:42] <Funraiser> when the link?
[07:42] <Choubaka> Ycros: Then it might work.
[07:42] <concept10> mencial, Im not sure if you can install from a mounted .iso
[07:42] <Funraiser> want?
[07:42] <Choubaka> Ycros: However, I never got UIM to work :/
[07:42] <tsume> the french :) hehe
[07:42] <likkashot> its probabli the name for gigabit nic cards
[07:42] <tsume> the guys who never won a war
[07:42] <Ycros> Choubaka: neither
[07:42] <Funraiser> sorry for the spelling tonight
[07:42] <likkashot> thats what I make of it
[07:42] <ivoks> tsume: KDE can't work on cell phones, gnome can
[07:42] <Choubaka> I speak ~one word of french :P
[07:42] <Funraiser> tsume, have u heard of Napoleon?
[07:42] <ivoks> tsume: :)
[07:42] <philuk86> Funraiser: yeah go on.
[07:42] <theine> tsume, I think Napoleon won a couple of battles...
[07:42] <Choubaka> Cell phones? :D
[07:42] <tsume> Funraiser: I mean a real war
[07:43] <ivoks> Choubaka: nokia.com/770
[07:43] <Choubaka> :D
[07:43] <theine> tsume, like world wars?
[07:43] <Funraiser> tsume, oh! Napolean wars were not real...my bad!
[07:43] <HappyFool> likkashot: well, i don't have a gigabit NIC but i see sit0 in 'lshw' too
[07:43] <mencial> Concept10: The installation manual says something about a "iso-scan" part on the installer that find a .ISO file and installs from there.
[07:43] <likkashot> oops
[07:43] <likkashot> :)
[07:43] <Choubaka> I'm Finnish. I should've known that.
[07:43] <tsume> "The french have a row of trees in the main street, so the enemy can march in the shade" :)
[07:43] <btk> Hi huys..
[07:43] <Funraiser> tsume, please change topic, u don't know what u're talking about
[07:43] <btk> I'm just about to set up initnc..
[07:43] <theine> tsume, how old are you?
[07:43] <concept10> mencial, thats interesting
[07:43] <btk> How do you think about that?
[07:44] <tsume> Funraiser: I guess you don't know much about the world wars ;)
[07:44] <chrissturm> theine, i was about to ask that question too
[07:44] <concept10> theine, under 17
[07:44] <theine> at most
[07:44] <HappyFool> mencial: i glanced through the install manual and i have a feeling it was hastily adapted from the debian manual -- i'm not sure all of it is valid
[07:44] <mencial> Concept10: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/ch06s02.html: "iso-scan
[07:44] <mencial>     Looks for ISO file systems, which may be on a CD-ROM or on the hard drive."
[07:44] <lxuser> hi again
[07:44] <Funraiser> tsume, exactly, only that I live where the fiercest battles in Europe have been fought
[07:45] <concept10> tsume, youre probably not old enough to join the military
[07:45] <tsume> concept10: I wouldn't be in Alaksa if I were under 17
[07:45] <lxuser> my conexion was down
[07:45] <mencial> HappyFool: I figured. So what would be the way to install without a CD-ROM drive?
[07:45] <likkashot> For more information, see interfaces(5)
[07:45] <lxuser> i paste my source.list as yuo said
[07:45] <concept10> mencial, post that link again. it was dead
[07:45] <likkashot> wheres that
[07:45] <lxuser> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/107
[07:46] <HappyFool> mencial: i don't think it's possible, sorry :-( -- I'm not too sure though
[07:46] <concept10> tsume, alaska has no one under 17 in the state?
[07:46] <HappyFool> likkashot: 'man interfaces'
[07:46] <mencial> Concept10: http://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/warty/main/installer-i386/current/doc/manual/en/ch06s02.html
[07:46] <tsume> concept10: a few, not too many. Everyoe moves out
[07:46] <tsume> concept10: damn weaklings
[07:46] <theine> lxuser, will take a look
[07:46] <mencial> Concept10: It seems that it is a Debian manual that does not work for Ubuntu...
[07:46] <Choubaka> hmm.
[07:46] <HappyFool> likkashot: i googled for 'linux sit0' and i think it's for 'tunnelled interfaces'
[07:46] <lxuser> thanks
[07:47] <Choubaka> I wish there was a proper Gnustep desktop environment
[07:47] <HappyFool> likkashot: do you not see other 'Ethernet controllers' in the hardware list?
[07:47] <ivoks> Choubaka: wmaker ;)
[07:47] <Choubaka> ivoks: it's a window manager :P
[07:47] <Choubaka> not a DE
[07:47] <ivoks> Choubaka: +gnustep
[07:47] <mencial> HappyFool: Would using a Debian-installer kernel work with an Ubuntu ISO? Riskyyyy... But I am desperate.
[07:47] <HappyFool> mencial: i don't know
[07:47] <Choubaka> DE = window manager + goodies all set up
[07:48] <chrissturm> anyone using breezy and having keyboard problems? :)
[07:48] <ivoks> mencial: yes
[07:48] <HappyFool> mencial: what do you have to lose?
[07:48] <ivoks> mencial: if you compile proper kernel, it will work with instalatio
[07:48] <theine> lxuser, i'll edit it and re-submit
[07:48] <mencial> HappyFool: Besides 10GB of data, including my (finished) thesis? Nothing...
[07:48] <concept10> mencial, you should note that the link you posted only explains installer components - it doesnt say that you may install from a .iso
[07:48] <lxuser> ok
[07:49] <HappyFool> mencial: then maybe you should backup first ;)
[07:49] <HappyFool> mencial: i would backup even if using a conventional install method
[07:49] <concept10> mencial, you dont have a CD Rom available?
[07:50] <mencial> concept10: It tells about a component that looks for ISO in the HD in case there is no CD.
[07:50] <tobias_> hallo!
[07:51] <tobias_> ich habe ein Problem mit Kubuntu 5. kann mir jemand helfen?
[07:51] <ivoks> english
[07:51] <mencial> concept10: No. It is a mini-itx system, it won't have a CD, and the rest of my computers are laptops. I have 1GB USB keychains available; could I boot from there?
[07:51] <theine> lxuser, still there?
[07:51] <concept10> mencial, it says  "Looks for ISO file systems, which may be on a CD-ROM or on the hard drive."
[07:51] <lxuser> aja...
[07:51] <Funraiser> tobias_, wir sprechen nur english hier
[07:52] <tobias_> ahh, okay.
[07:52] <mencial> I have installed from ISO in HD in Mandrake (rapidly dons asbestos suit).
[07:52] <concept10> mencial, you can install from USB if your bios supports that
[07:52] <dacrepair> ok, i downloaded the following, K3B, airsnort,wine, now i have them but their not on my apps menu, where are they?
[07:52] <theine> lxuser, take a look at what i submitted over http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl, that's all you need
[07:53] <mencial> concept10: It does. Should I just put the .ISO file in the USB HD, or do I have to format something?
[07:53] <tolstoy> folks, how do you "startx" on today's breezy?
[07:53] <chrissturm> tolstoy: what doesnt work for you?
[07:53] <dacrepair> what folder would they be in
[07:53] <theine> tolstoy, why? does startx not exist anymore?
[07:53] <tolstoy> theine, exactly.
[07:53] <lxuser> this will be my new source.list
[07:54] <concept10> mencial, im not sure.  I havent done a usb install - lookup installation instuctions for that
[07:54] <tolstoy> and /etc/init.d/gdm just "returns".  does nothing.
[07:54] <lxuser> ???
[07:54] <theine> tolstoy, what about X?
[07:54] <dacrepair> where is the installed apps folder
[07:54] <firasR> hi all
[07:54] <theine> tolstoy, or Xorg
[07:54] <dacrepair> hello
[07:54] <tolstoy> theine, just type X as a comment?  hm.
[07:54] <theine> tolstoy, yep
[07:54] <i3dmaster> tolstoy: what about gdm?
[07:55] <theine> lxuser, sorry, yes
[07:55] <tolstoy> Xorg gives me a fatal server error.  Can't move the log file, or something.
[07:55] <HappyFool> dacrepair: you can use synaptic to query what files belong to each package (wine / k3b / etc.)
[07:55] <dacrepair> i took a shower this morning
[07:55] <ivoks> tolstoy: sudo apt-get install x-widonw-system-core
[07:55] <tolstoy> i3dmaster, will try it raw
[07:55] <chrissturm> tolstoy: do you have x-window-system-core installed?
[07:55] <dacrepair> k thnks
[07:55] <ivoks> x-window-system-core :)
[07:55] <kcburyshaker> im a brand new ubuntu user  installed it last night
[07:55] <lxuser> ok thank you, where are you from...?
[07:55] <mencial> concept10: The thing is, I can get the install kernel to boot, but it complains that it does not find a CD-ROM and does not let me go forward (even in priority=low)
[07:55] <kcburyshaker> new to linux too
[07:56] <tolstoy> chrissturm, why, no i don't!  How did that get uninstalled! ;)
[07:56] <kcburyshaker> im trying to get java to work   but im clueless on how    any help?
[07:56] <mencial> concept10: Is there another install-kernel? Or a better place to ask?
[07:56] <tolstoy> chrissturm, not that it works.
[07:56] <tsume> don't use java? :)
[07:56] <ivoks> java is Bad[TM] 
[07:56] <chrissturm> tolstoy: be careful with dist-upgrade
[07:56] <theine> lxuser, that'll do it
[07:56] <theine> lxuser, try it out
[07:56] <theine> lxuser, despite my ip address I'm from Germany
[07:57] <AySink> kcbury: how far have you got?
[07:57] <kcburyshaker> well  some websites i go to use it
[07:57] <tsume> well, Sun's java implementation anyway
[07:57] <dacrepair> HAPPYFOOL: how and where is synaptic
[07:57] <HappyFool> kcburyshaker: you need to install it; this should help you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java (unfortunately there's more than one option)
[07:57] <tolstoy> chrissturm, I'm okay that's it's hosed up for a bit.  was just wondering if there's a "new paradigm" and startx went away.  maybe some new command, for instance.
[07:57] <HappyFool> dacrepair: System -> Administration -> Synaptic
[07:57] <dacrepair> ok
[07:57] <kcburyshaker> ok happy   ill try that
[07:57] <concept10> mencial, hold on im looking for you
[07:57] <chrissturm> tolstoy: i think startx is in x-window-system, and thats not supported
[07:57] <ivoks> terminus is the best font ever
[07:57] <Funraiser> what can u do when a mousse (usb logitech) only works 30 secs and then disconnects? (for the german dude)
[07:58] <Moe|Joe|L> hey
[07:58] <chrissturm> tolstoy: because normally gdm starts X
[07:58] <mencial> kcburyshaker: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/ and Java installs flawlessly. Applets run in firefox. Do you need something more special?
[07:58] <ivoks> tolstoy: there will allways be startx
[07:58] <kcburyshaker> that may work
[07:58] <tolstoy> chrissturm, right.  I only disable gdm on start for breezy so I can still use the machine if, say, nvidia is removed out from under me.
[07:58] <mencial> concept10: Thanks. I'm trying USB now...
[07:58] <chrissturm> tolstoy: i'm wrong, startx is there
[07:59] <likkashot> anybody has a nforce4 ultra motherboards in here
[07:59] <tolstoy> seems that gdm was also removed, but not the init script.
[07:59] <chrissturm> tolstoy: try to install ubuntu-desktop
[07:59] <dacrepair> ahhhhh.......
[07:59] <dacrepair>  thank you all
[07:59] <tolstoy> hah hah!  Session Menu  chooseSessionList Widget.  Wow! ;)  Kind of cool to see this stuff, actually.
[08:00] <sysrq> if you ask for support, you shouldn't be using breezy
[08:00] <tolstoy> chrissturm, will do.  hadn't realized so much stuff was removed.
[08:00] <Moe|Joe|L> i got this error
[08:00] <Moe|Joe|L> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[08:00] <Moe|Joe|L> wen tryin this command
[08:00] <chrissturm> tolstoy: yesterday was a time when dist-upgrade would remove a lot of x stuff
[08:00] <lxuser> but if click at your name it says that you country is Dinamarca...?
[08:00] <Moe|Joe|L> "modprobe ndiswrapper"
[08:00] <chrissturm> tolstoy: just only use "upgrade"
[08:00] <tolstoy> sysrq, I'm just curious, not asking for support, like official-wise.
[08:00] <lxuser> and your name Tobias...?
[08:00] <HappyFool> Moe|Joe|L: try 'sudo modprobe ndiswrapper"
[08:00] <Moe|Joe|L> kk
[08:00] <Moe|Joe|L> noper
[08:01] <Whistler> how can i see my hhds?
[08:01] <theine> lxuser, indeed
[08:01] <chrissturm> anyone know how to get automount working with the breeezy kernel?
[08:01] <Moe|Joe|L> same error
[08:01] <theine> lxuser, out of curiosity... why are you asking?
[08:02] <lxuser> because it's my second time in a IRC channel
[08:02] <AySink> awww
[08:02] <AySink> ;)
[08:02] <theine> lxuser, I see
[08:02] <tolstoy> chrissturm, thanks for the tips.  didn't realize stuff had gotten removed, which was what I needed to know. ;)
[08:03] <Moe|Joe|L> can anyone tink why im gettin this error wen try modprobe ndiswrapper?
[08:03] <lxuser> and i dont know how to work in this enviroment jajaja
[08:03] <dacrepair> ok so i searched it, found it, went to the folder and it wasnt there, WTF!!
[08:03] <chrissturm> tolstoy: i'm glad to help
[08:03] <concept10> mencial, The release notes state that you may install from USB but I couldnt find the docs to do it.  I guess you would have to place the proper .iso on your USB drive and boot from there
[08:04] <dacrepair> o, nvm
[08:04] <concept10> Moe|Joe|L, what is the error again?
[08:04] <Moe|Joe|L> moejoe@Jon-Ubuntu:~$ sudo modprobe ndiswrapper
[08:04] <Moe|Joe|L> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[08:04] <Moe|Joe|L> and ive tired it without sudo aswell
[08:04] <linuxfan> Does anyone know how to get php if you already have Apache web server??
[08:04] <linuxfan> **and MySQL
[08:05] <HappyFool> linuxfan: look for php (and mysql) in synaptic -- it has a 'search' feature
[08:05] <mencial> concept10: "Place the iso" means: A) cp ubuntu.iso /media/usb B) dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sda ?
[08:05] <linuxfan> what is synaptic, HappyFool?
[08:05] <mencial> concept10: Sorry if I ask too much. I am trying the first and will try the second if it does not work.
[08:05] <AySink> linuxfan : Also if you are after PHP5 a great place to look is wiki.ubuntu.com/PHP5FromSource
[08:05] <jde> !synaptic
[08:05] <ubotu> it has been said that synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[08:06] <linuxfan> ok
[08:06] <linuxfan> thank u\
[08:06] <HappyFool> linuxfan: ubuntu's application mangagement tool
[08:06] <mencial> concept10: Thanks for the help
[08:06] <HappyFool> linuxfan: System -> Administration -> Synaptic
[08:06] <concept10> mencial, im not sure.  try to copy the .iso to the usb drive with nautilus
[08:07] <AlexMBas> hello
[08:07] <HappyFool> mencial: the install manual has this for usb: 'gzip -dc boot.img.gz >/dev/sda'
[08:07] <lxuser> theine: can i just dowload the packages and install them manually...?
[08:07] <mencial> concept10: That's what I am doing first
[08:07] <HappyFool> mencial: however, i couldn't find such a file on the install cd, hence my suspicion that this (and similar) was a debian instruction
[08:07] <chombee> Hey - anyone know what the interface sit0 might be in ifconfig -a
[08:07] <chombee> ?
[08:07] <mencial> HappyFool: Where is that install manual?
[08:08] <lxuser> it looks as my pc cant connect to the ubuntu servers...!
[08:08] <AlexMBas> does anyone have a problem were OpenOffice 1.1.x tries to close from time to time 'by it's own will' ?
[08:08] <HappyFool> mencial: on the (hoary) install cd -- i see you referenced warty earlier
[08:08] <firasR> chombee:  it's the IPv6 interface for ur NIC
[08:08] <HappyFool> mencial: ch04s03.html
[08:08] <firasR> chombee:  IPv6 comes enabled by default
[08:08] <chombee> ok
[08:09] <chombee> brett - how do I find the correct .inf file for my wireless card?
[08:09] <tsume> pff to adventur
[08:09] <tsume> +e
[08:09] <tsume> *off
[08:10] <mencial> HappyFool: boot.img.gz would be a gzipped floppy image. There is one in a bootable CD; I should be able to extract it. But I think that dd'ing the whole .iso would have the same effect (making the usb hd bootable)
[08:10] <lhb> is it just me or is some of the ubuntu wiki documentation taken away?
[08:11] <HappyFool> mencial: i am not familiar with this
[08:11] <HappyFool> mencial: googling for 'boot.img.gz site:archive.ubuntu.com' reveals no hits
[08:11] <lhb> there was a good tutorial on locales and i cant seem to find in the documentation section anymore
[08:12] <veronica> how do i get to a terminal in ubuntu??
[08:12] <Rockett17> ctrl+alt+f1 - 6
[08:13] <veronica> are you serious?
[08:13] <HappyFool> lhb: hmm, you're right. the UserDocumentation page used to be *much* bigger
[08:13] <lhb> right click, open terminal
[08:13] <veronica> why the  -6
[08:13] <Rockett17> 1 through 6
[08:13] <Rockett17> take your pick
[08:13] <Rockett17> 7 is gui
[08:15] <dacrepair> ok now i found airsnort but i dont have my wireless card installed, do i need any system config or will the new hardware me configured automaticly on startup
[08:16] <AySink> veronica: Do you mean how to do you bring up a terminal window within X?
[08:16] <Bramme> is there any way to let grub re-autodetect the OS's ?
[08:16] <dacrepair> yes
[08:17] <dacrepair> lemme think...
[08:17] <dacrepair> or let me try somptin
[08:17] <ivanox> any idea what I can do to make numlock enabled by default!?
[08:17] <ivanox> (its not bios setting)
[08:18] <Xappe> ivanox: apt-get install numlockx
[08:18] <jde> ivanox: You may have to write a small program for it, or search Ubuntu's wiki.
[08:18] <Micksa> why would the "suspend" and "hibernate" options not pop up in the log-out dialog?
[08:18] <Micksa> after fixing /etc/default/acpi-support
[08:18] <dacrepair> bramme:type grub into the root terminal
[08:18] <ivanox> Xappe, thanks alot for that, but why isn't it on by default!?
[08:18] <quidoff> how can I make nvidia-sattings -l load at startup?
[08:19] <HappyFool> quidoff: maybe add it to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[08:19] <quidoff> nvidia-settings -l, of course ;-)
[08:19] <Bramme> dacrepair, yes ?
[08:19] <AlexMBas> Does anynone here have had problems with OpenOffice 1.1.x and ubuntu?
[08:20] <AlexMBas> on Ubuntu I mean
[08:20] <Bramme> AlexMBas, yes i had, but now i'm using the beta of 2.0
[08:20] <Bramme> you can find it in the universal respo's
[08:20] <Bramme> *repo's
[08:20] <AySink> How are you finding that Bramme? Did much change?
[08:20] <dacrepair> bramme:and then a bash command prompt should appear
[08:20] <Bramme> dacrepair, yes
[08:20] <chombee> Hey - I'm trying to use ndiswrapper, I installed the Windows driver with ndiswrapper -i, I'm now trying to load the kernel module with sudo modprobe ndiswrapper and it's saying operation not permitte
[08:20] <chombee> d
[08:20] <dacrepair> bramme: ithink the command is boot
[08:20] <Bramme> AySink, it's very stable and the UI is thousand times better
[08:20] <quidoff> ok, and where exactly in this file? before :exit 0?
[08:20] <uman> hi all
[08:21] <uman> hi all
[08:21] <AySink> Excellent - may have to check that out later
[08:21] <Bramme> dacrepair, Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting
[08:21] <dacrepair> hmmm
[08:21] <Bramme> :(
[08:22] <chombee> theine - I think you mentioned something about this earlier - modprobe doesn't work with the ndiswrapper-utils package?
[08:22] <veronica> Rockett17: thanks sunshine.....i was forgetting the ctrl button
[08:23] <dacrepair> what kind of partition is it
[08:23] <Bramme> dacrepair, what do you mean ?
[08:23] <AlexMBas> Bramme: did it solve your problem? what was your problem?
[08:23] <dacrepair> all of them
[08:23] <Bramme> hda is ext, hda4 is FAT32
[08:24] <Bramme> hda = hda1
[08:24] <dacrepair> alexmbas i cant remember the grub bash syntax for autodetecting your partitions
[08:25] <bartekp> hi
[08:25] <HappyFool> quidoff: yeah, i guess so. no sure what that ':' is for there
[08:25] <quidoff> ok thx, I will test it. Just rebooting
[08:26] <dacrepair> hold on bramme, i'm calling a friend
[08:27] <ka7ana> mkay, got the wireless card working with ndis wrapper, allthought this howto -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31926 is the one that worked for me
[08:28] <chombee> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper: Operation not permitted
[08:28] <dacrepair> my best guess is to check gentoo handbooks installation guide
[08:30] <bojan> hallo
[08:30] <crazyhorse> hi
[08:30] <brett> chombee: did you `sudo modprobe ndiswrapper'?
[08:31] <chombee> brett - yeah, and it gives that message, operation not permitted
[08:31] <testt> can someone please paste /etc/fstab in private, I installed ubuntu (had fedora before) and my /home partition is not beeing mounted
[08:31] <bojan> may i ask you a question?
[08:31] <quidoff> hi it didn't work. I put nvidia-settings --load-config-only  at the end of this file, but i didn't load
[08:31] <brett> chombee: apparently it's not uncommon.  But I really don't know why that happens
[08:31] <crazyhorse> bojan, you already did ;)
[08:31] <bojan> :)
[08:32] <bojan> i have installed skype, but if i click it, it does not run
[08:32] <AlexMBas> Thanks Bramme, I'll try Open Office 2
[08:32] <HappyFool> testt: perhaps it would be better if you put your /etc/fstab and the output of 'sudo fdisk -l' up here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:32] <HappyFool> testt: i'll put my fstab up there too, fwiw
[08:32] <crazyhorse> bojan, try starting it via xterm and look at the error message
[08:33] <bojan> ok, thx
[08:33] <testt> HappyFool, I just found out what the problem is.. my /home partition is beeing recognized as a Win95 LFS
[08:33] <testt> damn
[08:33] <testt> Anyway I can fix this?
[08:33] <chombee> brett - a google search reveals a few people who've had it, but no solution. Does anyone know about modprobe ndiswrapper 'giving operation not permitted'?
[08:33] <HappyFool> testt: weird
[08:33] <testt> HappyFool, acctualy this is it  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[08:33] <bojan> ahm ... how can i start it via xterm?
[08:34] <kimo> bojan, type skype!
[08:34] <testt> HappyFool, anyway I can convert it to ext3 without loosing data
[08:34] <testt> I have everything there :0
[08:34] <HappyFool> testt: ah. those are extended partitions -- you should have a /dev/hda5 or something
[08:34] <HappyFool> testt: which is the 'real' partition
[08:34] <bionic> How do i search for installed packages in Ubuntu 5.04?
[08:34] <klaym> how can I apply 'apt-get install' for many applications? I'd like to install all needed multimedia plugins with one command
[08:34] <HappyFool> testt: have you taken a look at 'sudo fdisk -l' ?
[08:34] <Kyynara> what is the easiest way to install OpenGL?
[08:35] <bojan> @kimo, that does not work
[08:35] <testt> HappyFool, yup
[08:35] <testt> but
[08:35] <kimo> bojan, open a new terminal
[08:35] <testt> I have another hdd
[08:35] <crazyhorse> bionic, dpkg -l *package*
[08:35] <testt> and that one has hdb5
[08:35] <bionic> crazyhorse, appreciate it, thanks.
[08:35] <bojan> ok, and then?
[08:35] <testt> I don't have hda5
[08:35] <cameron> whoa, it just automatically puts me into the ubuntu help channel
[08:35] <cameron> how did it know?
[08:35] <kimo> bojan, type skype!
[08:35] <Davey> cameron: X-Chat is setup that way :)
[08:35] <theotheo> Can anyone tell me how to update the firefox browser in ubuntu 5.04?
[08:35] <testt> HappyFool, agrhhh I'm blind I ll try smth now Thanks for YOUR HELP!
[08:35] <testt> :)
[08:36] <Davey> theotheo: apt-get install firefix
[08:36] <Davey> theotheo: apt-get install firefox
[08:36] <cameron> well its a wize decision on the part of the ubuntu devs
[08:36] <Davey> actually, its most likely apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[08:36] <cameron> because i have questions
[08:36] <bojan> skype: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:36] <theotheo> o.k. thanks, i'll go for it
[08:36] <kimo> bojan, apt-get install qt3 (or may be qt!)
[08:37] <cameron> so there is a page on the wiki
[08:37] <HappyFool> klaym: why not use synaptic instead ?
[08:37] <cameron> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelBuildpackageHowto
[08:37] <kimo> bojan, or download the static skype version
[08:37] <klaym> happyfool: good question
[08:37] <cameron> and it is telling me to build linux-source-2.6.8.1, is that version out of date
[08:37] <cameron> ?
[08:37] <bojan> static skype version?
[08:38] <chrissturm> cameron: yep
[08:38] <chrissturm> cameron: 2.6.10-5 is the recent
[08:38] <bojan> jan@ToshibaSatellite:~$ sudo apt-get install qt3
[08:38] <bojan> Reading package lists... Done
[08:38] <bojan> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:38] <bojan> E: Couldn't find package qt3
[08:38] <cameron> so i should sudo apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.10-5?
[08:38] <HappyFool> cameron: a lot of the pages are from warty (release 4.10)
[08:38] <kimo> bojan, try apt-get install qt
[08:39] <bojan> bojan@ToshibaSatellite:~$ sudo apt-get install qt
[08:39] <bojan> Reading package lists... Done
[08:39] <bojan> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:39] <bojan> Package qt is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[08:39] <bojan> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[08:39] <Hablandocontigo> I followed these instructions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodder?highlight=%28podcast%29 but I get this error: $ /usr/bin/iPodder Traceback (most recent call last):  File "iPodderGui.py", line 18, in ?     import wx ImportError: No module named wx         what could be the problem?
[08:39] <bojan> is only available from another source
[08:39] <bojan> E: Package qt has no installation candidate
[08:39] <cameron> ive only been on linux for like 4 days now
[08:39] <cameron> so
[08:39] <cameron> its crazy to me
[08:39] <chrissturm> camron: why do you want to build a kernel?
[08:39] <zOap> I use 5.04 and want the debian sources as well as the ubuntu ones, to get more software. But when i paste the debian lines in sources.list it gives me error on update, signatures cannot be verified for following keys...
[08:39] <HappyFool> bojan: try 'apt-cache search qt' -- you should see some libqt packages
[08:39] <jde> If you don't know how to use apt than either read the manual or stick with synaptic.
[08:40] <cameron> chrissturm: ive been told that if you compile the kernel, it will be compiled in your comps native code and run somewhat more efficiently
[08:40] <chrissturm> cameron: dont do that
[08:40] <bojan> HappyFool: yes i do
[08:40] <bionic> Hello, i get this when trying to run make menuconfig in the kernel source tree, You must install ncurses-devel in order to run make menuconfig. But theres no such package ncurses-devel. I searched for ncurses packages installed, and there was quite a bunch. Plain Ubuntu 5.04 install.
[08:40] <nalioth> zOap: that is becasuse the debian src repos you are using have no gpg sig on your machine
[08:40] <HappyFool> bojan: i would try libqt3c102, or libqt3c102-mt
[08:40] <fabbione> bionic: apt-get install build-essential libncurses5-dev
[08:40] <chrissturm> cameron: its fine like its now. no need to compile a kernel
[08:41] <bojan> HappyFool: what do you mean with try?
[08:41] <chombee> How do I check the system log? (dmesg is telling me to check it for errors)
[08:41] <chrissturm> fabbione: do you have an idea why automounting doesnt work with the breezy kernel?
[08:41] <GuBA> Hello, i need a problem in my Ubuntu Hoary ... :'(
[08:41] <cameron> chrissturm: well allright, i have other more important things to work on like wifi drivers i guess....
[08:41] <mindspin> :-)
[08:41] <fabbione> chrissturm: what version .12??
[08:41] <HappyFool> bojan: i mean try to install one of those and see if skype then works ;)
[08:41] <levander> GuBA: there are plenty of problems in hoary, just start looking around
[08:42] <cameron> Thanks guys!
[08:42] <bojan> HappyFool: ok, how can i install them?
[08:42] <bionic> fabbione, thank you
[08:42] <chrissturm> fabbione, the latest 12 package.
[08:42] <fabbione> bionic: welcome
[08:42] <HappyFool> bionic: try libncurses5-dev
[08:42] <fabbione> chrissturm: no. i don't sorry.
[08:42] <HappyFool> bojan: 'sudo apt-get install libqt3c102'
[08:42] <bionic> trying :)
[08:42] <fabbione> chrissturm: let's wait 12 final before making too much noise upstream
[08:42] <fabbione> chrissturm: this is still 12rc6
[08:42] <fabbione> and i saw quite a big bunch of net fixes
[08:43] <GuBA> levander, see my error --> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/111
[08:43] <zOap> noone knows why apt-get dont wanna let me add debian sources to sources list?
[08:43] <chrissturm> fabbione, i know. i just would like to work with/on beagle, and for that i would need a newer inotify
[08:43] <bojan> HappyFool: and then skype should work?
[08:43] <HappyFool> zOap: nalioth told you
[08:43] <HappyFool> bojan: i don't know, i don't use it
[08:43] <fabbione> chrissturm: i uploaded 1.2 today with the latest inotify
[08:43] <fabbione> chrissturm: it's probably going around on the mirrors
[08:43] <zOap> HappyFool, didnt see that...
[08:43] <fabbione> chrissturm: also.. check the changelog before asking
[08:44] <HappyFool> bojan: and the wiki's been rearranged so i can't easily find stuff like this
[08:44] <chombee> Installed ndis drivers: lsbcmnds invalid driver!
[08:44] <chrissturm> fabbione, you mean a .10 kernel with new inotify?
[08:44] <zOap> nalioth, ok, what sources should i use then? or how do i add this key?
[08:45] <bionic> When i download the linux-source-2.6.10 from synaptic, is the .config file the same that ubuntu 5.04 used?
[08:45] <bojan> HappyFool: it works!!! thank you very much. you're the best
[08:45] <fabbione> chrissturm: there will be no .10 with new inotify
[08:45] <HappyFool> bojan: no problem ;)
[08:45] <fabbione> chrissturm: breezy = .12
[08:45] <HappyFool> bionic: i think the .config is in /boot
[08:46] <HappyFool> bionic: e.g., i have /boot/config-2.6.10-5-386
[08:46] <quidoff> HappyFool: do you also have a good idea for my problem. writing nvidia-settings --load-config-only after the exit 0 didn't work
[08:46] <bionic> HappyFool, yeah it was there thanks, i can use that when i compile the new kernel ?
[08:46] <chrissturm> fabbione, i thought so. thats why i want to use the .12 kernel and thats why its so sad that automount doenst work with it. thanks for clearing that up.
[08:46] <fabbione> chrissturm: no problem
[08:47] <brett> chombee: have you tried running everything (carefully) thru a root-terminal?
[08:47] <chombee> brett - why? I was using sudo?
[08:47] <zOap> does anyone have a working sources.list for 5.04 with debian sources?
[08:47] <HappyFool> quidoff: obviously i wasn't paying attention earlier -- it must come before the exit statement
[08:48] <chrissturm> z0ap: such a thing doesnt exist
[08:48] <brett> chombee: just a thought is all ;] 
[08:48] <zaphod> someone suggest a good RSS feedreader
[08:48] <HappyFool> bionic: i'm not sure -- i think there's a kernel build howto on the wiki
[08:48] <HappyFool> !kernel
[08:48] <ivanox> Mozilla SAge
[08:48] <Hablandocontigo> I followed these instructions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodder?highlight=%28podcast%29 but I get this error: $ /usr/bin/iPodder Traceback (most recent call last):  File "iPodderGui.py", line 18, in ?     import wx ImportError: No module named wx         what could be the problem?
[08:48] <ivanox> zaphod, Mozilla Sage
[08:48] <zOap> chrissturm, why? I need to get debian sources, and any other deiratives works fine with debian sources. Why not ubuntu?
[08:48] <brett> zaphod: Liferea isn't horrible
[08:48] <ivanox> now u suggest me something fun to put on my desktop
[08:49] <chrissturm> z0ap: all debian stuff is in universe/multiverse
[08:49] <chrissturm> z0ap: so you dont need it
[08:49] <zOap> ok
[08:49] <zaphod> how is RSSowl? it is a java app
[08:49] <zaphod> and how about straw?
[08:49] <frit> como he k altero a resoluao de 640*480 para 1280*1024
[08:50] <kimo> any non official kernels with swsusp2 ?
[08:50] <Kyynara> How do I check if I have a working OpenGL?
[08:50] <HappyFool> frit: sorry, this is an english channel
[08:51] <Hablandocontigo> Kyynara: glxinfo | grep direct
[08:51] <Hablandocontigo> Kyynara: if it says yes, you're okay
[08:51] <chombee> brett - tried, same result
[08:52] <brett> chombee: it causes problems later on with updating linux-image (kernel) packages, but you may need to compile ndiswrapper from source
[08:52] <kimo> any way to add swsusp2 ??
[08:54] <chombee> brett - I'm going to try another card, D-Link DWL-650+, it is detected at wlan0 but seems unsupported, ifup does not activate it
[08:55] <Kyynara> Hablandocontigo: I have a strong feeling that this is not what I want http://pastebin.com/301045 :)
[08:56] <othernoob> how come amarok doesn't play .wav files?
[08:56] <brett> chombee: good luck to you!
[08:58] <Hablandocontigo> Kyynara: I don't think it is either, I've had that before
[08:58] <Howitzer> please help me at #flood :(
[08:59] <Hablandocontigo> Kyynara: you know what's funnier, I just did glxinfo and have the same thing
[08:59] <Hablandocontigo> Kyynara: I'ma try to fix it right now and tell you what worked for me
[08:59] <Kyynara> Hablandocontigo: that would be great, thansk
[08:59] <Kyynara> *thanks
[08:59] <HappyFool> Howitzer: i'm there.. what's the problem?
[09:01] <Funraiser> Is Linux For Losers? http://www.forbes.com/business/businesstech/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html
[09:02] <dsevilla> argh
[09:02] <JDigital> it's not for losers because I use lunix and I am awesome
[09:02] <dsevilla> keyboard is not working again in breezy :(
[09:02] <chrissturm> dsevilla, yep
[09:02] <chrissturm> :(
[09:02] <Chameleon22> dsevilla, yet you are typing
[09:02] <dsevilla> xkbcomp is somewhat failing to load
[09:02] <Chameleon22> :p
[09:03] <dsevilla> Chameleon22, hehe, yeah, it is not working *properly* :)
[09:03] <majorb> i hva e a syslog question, is this an ok place to ask it ?
[09:03] <concept10> Funraiser, why have you been posting that link all day?
[09:03] <Funraiser> that proves that linux is gaining some momemtum
[09:03] <dsevilla> my keymap falls back to us, but I have an spanish (es) keywboard
[09:03] <JDigital> yeah, Linux isn't perfect
[09:03] <jobli> l
[09:03] <dsevilla> chrissturm, you know what the problem is?
[09:03] <Hablandocontigo> Kyynara: okay, do you have an nvidia graphics card?
[09:03] <chrissturm> dsevilla, dunno how to fix it
[09:03] <Funraiser> concept10, all day? what are u talking about? it's the second time, nobody answered on the first time so i reposted!
[09:03] <chombee> Does anyone know of an easy way to install the acx100 driver for wireless cards?
[09:04] <Kyynara> Hablandocontigo: yes
[09:04] <dsevilla> chrissturm, or when it will be fixed?
[09:04] <chrissturm> dsevilla, i think it will soon be fixed
[09:04] <cazabam> chombee: I just put the card in and it worked ?
[09:04] <dsevilla> chrissturm, thanks :)
[09:04] <blacktooth> JDigital:  World too
[09:04] <dsevilla> chrissturm, that makes me less nervous :)
[09:04] <JDigital> s'true
[09:04] <Hablandocontigo> Kyynara: lucky you, this may work: http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver it worked for me
[09:04] <JDigital> at least Ubuntu is improving gradually
[09:04] <chombee> cazabam - that didn't happen for me, D-Link DWL-650+
[09:05] <cazabam> chombee: hehe, same card too! what did happen?
[09:05] <mz2> could somebody copy & paste me /etc/polypaudio/defaults.pa
[09:05] <mz2> i did a bit of erasing magic :)
[09:05] <HappyFool> heh
[09:05] <dsevilla> I don't know what's happening with xkbcomp. Is also failing in amd64 too
[09:06] <JDigital> Amiga was pretty good as a desktop OS, but was tied to the hardware, and when that hardware went outdated and sank, the OS went down with the ship
[09:06] <JDigital> meanwhile all the other OSs were being developed and improved
[09:06] <chombee> cazabam - the card is detected as wlan0 but is not activated, ifup tries to dhcp it but the lights on the card aren't on and it doesn't succeed
[09:06] <blacktooth> mz2:  awesome
[09:06] <dsevilla> chrissturm, ok, it's nice to see that is not a problem of myself only. Every non-us keyboard using breezy is failing
[09:06] <dsevilla> it will be fixed surely fast :)
[09:07] <cazabam> chombee: in that case the driver is loaded and it's just not finding your router or access point
[09:07] <chrissturm> dsevilla: i have a german keyboard, but my national characters dont work
[09:07] <chrissturm> but the layout is still german
[09:07] <blacktooth> chrissturm:  key map?
[09:07] <dsevilla> chrissturm, yeah the same for me in spanish
[09:07] <chombee> cazabam - I don't think so, the dhcp wireless router is there, the lights on the wireless card are not coming on, there's a link light and a pwr light
[09:08] <chrissturm> blacktooth, ?
[09:08] <blacktooth> chrissturm:  key map problem...
[09:08] <dsevilla> blacktooth, it's not a problem of keymap, but of xkbcomp failing
[09:08] <cazabam> chombee: at a terminal, do: iwlist wlan0 scanning
[09:08] <blacktooth> chrissturm:  oh
[09:08] <blacktooth> chrissturm:  sorry -_-|||
[09:08] <cazabam> chombee: and iwconfig wlan0
[09:09] <Kyynara> Hablandocontigo: it didn't work for me
[09:09] <chrissturm> it seems to be a libxklavier error
[09:09] <cazabam> chombee: just to see what it can see
[09:09] <chombee> cazabam - okay, the scan completed, and it gives some info
[09:09] <chombee> cazabam - it has detected the name of our router
[09:09] <chombee> cazabam - cou;d it have gone through the wired connection to get that?
[09:10] <dsevilla> chrissturm, yeah, maybe
[09:10] <cazabam> chombee: no, the iw* tools only do wireless - so it can see the router
[09:11] <cazabam> chombee: check to make sure that the router doesn't require WEP or a specific MAC - open that thing up for the world :)
[09:11] <nate> Hey can anybody tell me where to locate the "system log" ??
[09:11] <Mwnci> i have a script i wrote that configures and connects the wireless card if i type ./wirelessup.sh into the console.  I tried adding a link to it in the kde menu but it doesnt seem to work. i have wirelessup.sh in the command   /home/jaffa/ in the work path  and run in terminal selected. all that happens is it opens a blank terminal and does nothing. any ideas?
[09:12] <SFalcon> Dual booting XP/Ubuntu on a RAID0 S-ATA Array.  Possible?
[09:12] <crazyhorse> nate, /var/log/syslog
[09:13] <nate> crazyhorse: Do you know how long the log is kept and what all it logs?
[09:13] <crazyhorse> nate, once per day the log gets rotated, the older logs are named syslog.0, syslog.1 etc and are gzipped
[09:14] <nate> ok so would glitches from my nvidia drivers show up there?
[09:14] <Prawntasm> My eth0 won't configure itself with DHCP. I've followed the instructions in the FAQ, but when I choose "DHCP" for my eth0 and click ok, it just shows the configuring window ticking away until I close it
[09:14] <crazyhorse> afair are they kept one week by default
[09:14] <redboar> does ne1 know when hdparm will support SATA?
[09:14] <nate> crazyhorse: so nvidia driver problems would be in there too?
[09:15] <likkashot> im fixing those to
[09:15] <chombee> cazabam - woot! now what do we do? this other laptop I'm typing on is working fine through wireless
[09:15] <Prawntasm> I'm running off a knoppix cd right now, but I can't get any networking on my ubuntu installation :(
[09:15] <likkashot> this 64 system installs fast
[09:15] <chombee> cazabam - it doesn't, just DHCP
[09:16] <crazyhorse> nate, nvidia uh..perhaps i can help you with that issue
[09:16] <Kyynara> just to be sure... if I'm to download drivers from nvidias homepage, it should be linuxIA64 or LinuxIA32?
[09:16] <likkashot> chombee im listening to
[09:16] <nate> crazyhorse: feel free to take a look http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=632521#post632521
[09:16] <crazyhorse> Kyynara, unless you are on an athlon64, its IA32
[09:16] <Kyynara> ok
[09:17] <likkashot> im i install the x86_64 drivers can i use amd64 k8 kernel??
[09:17] <cazabam> chombee: have you configured which network you want it to point at?
[09:17] <cazabam> likkashot: you having similar problems?
[09:18] <AySink> Hey all - has anyone here managed to successfully get PHP5 working, from source, on Ubuntu? I followed the two wiki pages on it, and it's built and installed just fine but when I try to access a PHP page I get "child pid xxxx exit signal Segmentation fault" in Apache2/errors.log.
[09:18] <crazyhorse> nate, which nvidia version do you have?
[09:19] <nate> crazyhorse: I'm using the 7174 right now...but it does it will all the 7xxx series.
[09:19] <nate> crazyhorse: never had this problem with the 6629
[09:20] <crazyhorse> nate, mh, what about downgrading to 6629?
[09:20] <nate> I don't know how :(
[09:20] <nate> Is it anything like upgrading to the 7664 ?
[09:20] <holycow> hey guys, whats the general scoop on digital cameras and linux?  do most of them get mounted as block devices when plugged into usb port?
[09:21] <nate> holycow: mine works that way....not bad either
[09:21] <cazabam> holycow: all decent cameras do. the little 'webcam' style ones tend not to
[09:21] <TheMole> hey guys, maybe it's just me but I've added all the repositories (uni/multiverse) and still can't find w32codecs/libdvdcss/azureus etc...
[09:21] <crazyhorse> nate, for that you would need to uninstall the ubuntu package and compile the module by yourself but wait, the 6xxx aren't compliant with 2.6.10... mh
[09:21] <holycow> okay thats awesome, don't need to worry about models and makes too much then?
[09:21] <simone> Hi... did my first ubuntu install ever. First experience with debian ... very limited experience with Mandrake Linux. I tried to run an AVI- file but got the following message: Totem could not play file due to missing decoders. What should I do?
[09:21] <holycow> *nod* on webcam dealies
[09:22] <HappyFool> TheMole: for those i think you might need backports. Take a lookt at wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or ubuntuguide.org for more
[09:22] <holycow> simone, go the ubuntu website, search for w32codecs ... download that first
[09:22] <holycow> simone, second remove totem-gstreamer and install totem-xine
[09:22] <HappyFool> simone: take a look at wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[09:22] <nate> crazyhorse: ya and I don't really want to go back to the 2.6.9 kernel...I had a lot of problems on that kernel
[09:22] <TheMole> I assume there is no backports repo for breezy?
[09:22] <cazabam> holycow: as long as you go for the 'big' makes (olympus, fuji, kodak, etc...)
[09:22] <holycow> those two steps will get you playing most video streams
[09:22] <crazyhorse> nate, sure
[09:23] <holycow> cazabam, neato, thank you
[09:23] <crazyhorse> nate, that's why proprietary drivers suck :/
[09:23] <cazabam> holycow: no probs
[09:24] <nate> crazyhorse: ya true.. this sucks the 7664 drivers got me about 20fps more in CS:S too
[09:24] <dsevilla> mmm... also, if you dist-upgrade breezy, amule get's removed
[09:24] <dsevilla> any workarounds for that?
[09:24] <simone> Thanks holycow
[09:24] <holycow> simone, no worreis
[09:25] <crazyhorse> okay, i really need some breakfast now ;)
[09:25] <cazabam> dsevilla: reinstall after upgrade? failing that don't upgrade to breezy on a production machine!
[09:26] <quidoff> ok I know that I'm n00b, but how can I load a command at startup?
[09:27] <nate> crazyhorse: I guess I'm screwed?
[09:27] <HappyFool> quidoff: bootmisc.sh not working?
[09:27] <eb0x> Can someone help me with a terminal problem?
[09:28] <cazabam> eb0x: sounds serious!
[09:28] <eb0x> When I open my terminal, it doesn't come up with a place that I can type
[09:28] <eb0x> The place that's normally white where i can type is all black
[09:28] <AySink> Hey all - has anyone here managed to successfully get PHP5 working, from source, on Ubuntu? I followed the two wiki pages on it, and it's built and installed just fine but when I try to access a PHP page I get "child pid xxxx exit signal Segmentation fault" in Apache2/errors.log.
[09:28] <cazabam> is that gnome-terminal?
[09:28] <eb0x> ya
[09:28] <TheMole> quidoff: startup as in as ubuntu boots, or as in when you get into Gnome/KDE?
[09:29] <dsevilla> cazabam, yeah :) I won't use breezy for that
[09:29] <dsevilla> cazabam, just playing
[09:29] <cazabam> dsevilla: :)
[09:29] <HappyFool> TheMole: re ubuntu backports -- see ubuntuguide.org
[09:29] <eb0x> candyban: Ya it's gnome-terminal
[09:29] <eb0x> er
[09:29] <eb0x> cazabam*
[09:30] <nate> oh heres a good questions for someone....why can't I install Crossover Office?  It gives me an error
[09:30] <blacktooth> HappyFool:  ubuntu backport?
[09:30] <dsevilla> nate, haha, nice
[09:30] <dsevilla> now you have an error
[09:30] <blacktooth> HappyFool:  amazing
[09:31] <HappyFool> blacktooth: unofficial, afaik
[09:31] <nate> "$HOME" must exist and belong to you in order for the installation to proceed. You may need to log in as root or use su rather than sudo
[09:31] <HappyFool> blacktooth: and occasionally breaks things
[09:31] <zyth> nate: so open a root terminal
[09:31] <nate> ok watch the error it'll give me as root....lol
[09:31] <cazabam> eb0x: hehe I'm just trying to remember I heard about a problem with gnome-terminal
[09:31] <quidoff> @HappyFool: No bootmisc.sh didnt' work. I put nvidia-settings --load-config-only one line under exit 0 but it didn't load
[09:31] <blacktooth> HappyFool:  @@|||
[09:31] <som1> i used apt-get to get the new kernel. it seems i cant run kernel now (cant open dev/console). what can i do?
[09:31] <HappyFool> nate: try 'sudo -H <command>'
[09:31] <HappyFool> quidoff: it must come *before* exit
[09:32] <eb0x> cazabam: Oh
[09:32] <HappyFool> quidoff: 'exit 0' exits the script
[09:32] <som1> i was pretty sure it worked before so i didnt jump to this..
[09:32] <som1> hi happyfool :0
[09:32] <som1> :)
[09:32] <nate> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server    /   Xlib: No protocol specified
[09:32] <blacktooth> (o really)
[09:32] <HappyFool> evening som1
[09:33] <poningru> are we turning into the gentoo people now?
[09:33] <eb0x> cazabam: What terminal do you use?
[09:33] <nate> Same error with the sudo -H command too
[09:34] <quidoff> ok I put nvidia-settings --load-config-only before exit 0   testing... rebooting... will be back in some mintes
[09:34] <Invis> Hello, is there any debs for any good C++ IDEs?
[09:35] <HappyFool> nate: well, one way to get it to work might be to enable the root user and login as root. not sure if there's an alternative
[09:35] <Cooner750> Hi
[09:35] <HappyFool> som1: how did you upgrade your kernel, and how does is your system broken now?
[09:35] <nate> aight how do I enable the root user?
[09:36] <nate> lol never needed it before really except on my FC3 box
[09:36] <Invis> I wrote some code in c that uses gtk2 libs, but when i try to compile it it says that i need those gtk libs even they are installed, any problem sollution?
[09:36] <maruchan> any tips in getting avidemux installed
[09:36] <HappyFool> nate: 'sudo passwd' -- and enter some password for root
[09:36] <nate> did that already
[09:36] <som1> HappyFool: me starting ubuntu, kernel panic (pivot_root: No such file or directory, /sbin/init: 428: cannot open dev/console: No such file)
[09:37] <zyth> som1, shouldn't it be /dev/console ?
[09:37] <som1> im just saying what it wrote to me
[09:37] <HappyFool> ok, now you need to login as root -- either logout and login, or use Applications -> System Tools -> New login
[09:37] <zyth> Rockett17, it's the Canadian Red Cross... they've hardly got a stellar rep of late in general ;)
[09:37] <Rockett17> too true
[09:38] <holycow> Rockett17, what do they use? exchange?
[09:38] <Rockett17> yeah
[09:38] <holycow> *giggle*
[09:38] <holycow> that should be good
[09:38] <zyth> it's 12:37 on a friday here, and I'm still unemployed.... gotta love living in a small town!
[09:38] <Rockett17> and they're big thin client people
[09:38] <zyth> so everything is central
[09:38] <Rockett17> everything runs on a TS session
[09:38] <zyth> heh
[09:38] <quidoff> hm. didn't work
[09:38] <HappyFool> som1: hmm. you used apt-get or synaptic to do the kernel upgrade?
[09:38] <zyth> if one goes down.. bewm
[09:38] <som1> oh. i think it was synpatic
[09:38] <Rockett17> we have about 40 of them :)
[09:38] <quidoff> maybe I have to put the path before the command
[09:39] <zyth> Rockett17, harsh, lol
[09:39] <som1> i think i puked more than my whole stomach
[09:39] <maruchan> any tips in getting avidemux installed, it wont isntall
[09:39] <som1> interesting.
[09:39] <holycow> *sigh*
[09:39] <Kyynara> hmm... I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers from ww.nvidia.com but it wants to know the kernel-source tree, how do I give the kernel source to it?
[09:39] <holycow> i can't believe people keep on using windows
[09:39] <Rockett17> and here is sit.. secure shell'd into my nix server at home and on the ubuntu channel
[09:39] <Rockett17> :D
[09:39] <crazyhorse> lol *using* windows =)
[09:39] <HappyFool> quidoff: did you see any errors on boot?
[09:39] <Rockett17> yep yep
[09:39] <zyth> holycow, hey, I have a nice, 100% stable windows server here.  It doesn't DO anything.  But it's up. ;)
[09:40] <som1> Kyynara - to save you the trouble, use the linux packages
[09:40] <abbot45> can someone help me edit my xorg.conf file so i can get my resolution right?
[09:40] <som1> i mean ubuntu
[09:40] <som1> sorry
[09:40] <HappyFool> Kyynara: you probably need a linux-headers-* package, like linux-headers-386 or -686 or -k7 -- depending on your kernel image
[09:40] <poningru> abbot45: whats wrong?
[09:40] <HappyFool> som1: and there were no errors during the upgrade?
[09:40] <quidoff> hm sry I didn't watch. I just returned and saw that nvidia-settings hadn't load
[09:40] <Kyynara> HappyFool: thanks
[09:40] <som1> no happyfool
[09:41] <som1> i dont think there was anything
[09:41] <som1> im pretty sure i rebooted after it
[09:41] <likkashot> Grrrr nvidia mobo giving me headaches
[09:41] <cazabam> happyfool kyynara: last time I installed the Nvidia drivers from the site, they said they wanted a 'configured' kernel tree!
[09:41] <likkashot> oh me to
[09:41] <likkashot> grrr
[09:41] <abbot45> poningru, i just need to add vertical & horizontal refresh rates i believe, but i dont remember how i need to edit the file.
[09:41] <cazabam> nforce is a headache and an a**eache at the same time
[09:41] <likkashot> forgot the command
[09:41] <som1> last time i was there, it wanted runlevel 3
[09:41] <HappyFool> cazabam: for most modules you should only need linux-headers-* -- it has the config info for the kernel image
[09:42] <likkashot> no precompiled kernel
[09:42] <poningru> hold on abbot45
[09:42] <ubuntu> Just loaded the live CD for the first time. Is there a way to access the C: drive (fat32)
[09:43] <likkashot> I did a apt-get blabla k7 last night and it worked
[09:43] <likkashot> whats the blabla I dont remember
[09:43] <ka7ana> ubotu, mount -t msdos /dev/hda1 /mnt/win1
[09:43] <ubotu> ka7ana: Are you smoking crack?
[09:44] <ka7ana> ubotu, nope
[09:44] <ubotu> ka7ana: Wish i knew
[09:44] <som1> likkashot, what did you install yesterday?
[09:44] <HappyFool> ubuntu: look maybe in Places -> Computer; maybe it's there. otherwise use ka7ana command
[09:44] <HappyFool> ka7ana: (ubotu's a bot, in case you don't know ;)
[09:44] <Rockett17>  likkashot>
[09:44] <ka7ana> i noticed
[09:44] <Rockett17> woops
[09:44] <Rockett17> iggy that likka :)
[09:45] <likkashot> the precompiled kernel and stuff u need to install the nvidia drivers
[09:45] <ubuntu> Thx Ka7ana !
[09:45] <ka7ana> :P
[09:45] <likkashot> but I keep reinstalling and not backing up
[09:45] <likkashot> nice
[09:45] <likkashot> hahah
[09:45] <ka7ana> my first experiences with Linux in 1998 were discovering the magic of mount :P
[09:46] <HappyFool> likkashot: image is linux-image-386, headers for module compiles are linux-headers-386 (or -686, -k7, whatever)
[09:46] <som1> use the ubuntu packages
[09:46] <som1> likkashot, use the ubuntu packages
[09:46] <likkashot> i got those already
[09:46] <som1> uh
[09:46] <som1> change modules and the x config file
[09:46] <lukus001> can somone help me with my ubuntu or is this not the right type of place? =P
[09:46] <som1> yes its the right place lukus001
[09:47] <HappyFool> lukus001: this is the right place
[09:47] <lukus001> i cant install anything.. terminal say no file or directory even for sudo -s -H
[09:47] <HappyFool> som1: unfortunately i'm not sure what you can do to fix your system
[09:47] <som1> yeah, ill make my friend happy and install bsd
[09:48] <KaOs> Anyone know some good repositries for misc apps like Amatur stuff.. ?
[09:48] <Kyynara> HappyFool: it didn't work with the header files...
[09:48] <KaOs> Amateur *
[09:48] <synd_> KaOs: amateur stuff?
[09:48] <hband> hi, please check this band: www.gabor13.com do you like it?
[09:48] <ka7ana> som1, i use bsd
[09:49] <KaOs> Amateur Radio
[09:49] <lukus001> anyone know how i can get java and stuff to install... the example in the documentation not to mention forums dont work
[09:49] <Kyynara> but it also says I can give the kernel-source with the --kernel-source-[something]  command, know anything about that?
[09:49] <synd_> lukus001: www.ubuntuguide.org
[09:49] <synd_> ubotu
[09:49] <HappyFool> Kyynara: what does the output of 'uname -r' say ?
[09:50] <HappyFool> Kyynara: and what headers package did you install ?
[09:50] <kcburyshaker> is it just me  or is gdesklets a POS
[09:50] <lukus001> synd ive followed that website i just get no directory or file errors
[09:50] <kcburyshaker> i cant get nothing in gdesklets to run
[09:50] <synd_> lukus001: ?
[09:50] <synd_> kcburyshaker: did you install it from the apt?
[09:50] <Kyynara> uname -r gave me this: 2.6.10-5-386
[09:50] <kcburyshaker> ya
[09:50] <lukus001> i've followed the guide to install java on that website, i just get "no such file or directory"
[09:51] <Kyynara> and the headers i installed were for 386
[09:51] <kcburyshaker> no wait  installed from terminal
[09:51] <synd_> kcburyshaker: ive had troubles with gdesklets as well
[09:51] <kcburyshaker> using that help guide
[09:51] <HappyFool> Kyynara: hrm
[09:51] <Cooner750> brb. updating
[09:51] <kcburyshaker> it isnt very important to me  just a  nice thing to have
[09:51] <synd_> kcburyshaker: i just went with the more recent version available on the gdesklets site
[09:51] <kcburyshaker> ahhhh
[09:51] <synd_> and it works for me
[09:51] <Kyynara> HappyFool: you may specify the kernel source path with the
[09:51] <Kyynara>        '--kernel-source-path' commandline option.
[09:51] <kcburyshaker> oh well   no biggie
[09:52] <synd_> kcburyshaker: you could cry gkrellm
[09:52] <pepsi> x is broken in breezy again :D i got it working, but its still very angry at me :)
[09:52] <Kyynara> that's what it says in the log file... nvidia-installer.log
[09:52] <kcburyshaker> i have no idea how to install anything on linux manually
[09:52] <kcburyshaker> gkrellm?
[09:52] <synd_> kcburyshaker: thats also available in the apt, ive had good success with it. it seems to be more stable/organized
[09:52] <synd_> kcburyshaker: yes
[09:52] <kcburyshaker> where would that be in synaptic
[09:53] <ka7ana> most of the shit is not in synaptic
[09:53] <ka7ana> apt-get is your friend
[09:53] <HappyFool> Kyynara: hmm. just a moment
[09:53] <ka7ana> check www.debian.org
[09:53] <Prawntasm> My computer seems to associate eth0 with my 8139too at bootup, but dhclient broadcasts a bunch of DHCPDISCOVERs and never gets anything back. Any ideas?
[09:53] <Prawntasm> ifconfig
[09:53] <synd_> ka7ana: whatevers in synaptic is avail from apt get and vice versa
[09:53] <lukus001> anyone know why i getting "no such file or directory" with every terminal code... "sudo -s -H" followed by my password generate the same error... =(
[09:54] <synd_> ka7ana: they retrieve from the same sources.list
[09:55] <HappyFool> lukus001: 'sudo -s -H' does not work at all?
[09:55] <lukus001> not at all
[09:55] <lukus001> im getting no such file or directory, even with copy and pasted code from ubuntuguide.org
[09:55] <ka7ana> synd, wow i had the impression that only a few packages were available fia synaptic :P
[09:55] <synd_> kcburyshaker: for beginners, Synaptic is fine.
[09:55] <synd_> ka7ana: no, theres quite a few in there.
[09:55] <HappyFool> lukus001: if the error is a single line, can you cut and paste it here
[09:56] <lukus001> /bin/bash: kangaroo: No such file or directory
[09:57] <zyth> has anyone taken the comptia Linux+ certification?
[09:57] <HappyFool> lukus001: what command do you type? 'sudo -s -H kangaroo' ?
[09:57] <lukus001> wrong line
[09:57] <lukus001> no it asked for my password after..
[09:57] <lukus001> then returnde that
[09:57] <kcburyshaker> synd  thanks   i installed gkrellm
[09:57] <lukus001> ill do it on the failed java attem code
[09:57] <kbrooks> lukus001, ls -l /bin/sh
[09:57] <HappyFool> lukus001: what's exact command you typed to get that error?
[09:58] <kbrooks> does it link to anything else? because if it doesn't, you probably removed a package
[09:58] <lukus001> i typed sudo -s -H kangaroo
[09:59] <HappyFool> lukus001: what is 'kangaroo' ?
[09:59] <xirtam> when i run apt-get update i get an GPG-error: W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: Couldn't access keyring: No such file or directory
[09:59] <xirtam> any ideas about that?
[09:59] <lukus001> password?
[09:59] <synd_> kcburyshaker: no problem
[09:59] <HappyFool> lukus001: oh
[09:59] <HappyFool> lukus001: no, it will prompt you for a password
[09:59] <lukus001> i asumed you had to add it on the end because adding after does nout
[09:59] <synd_> kcburyshaker: there are quite a few plugins avail thru synaptic as well. just type "gkrellm" in the search field.
[09:59] <HappyFool> lukus001: oh right
[10:00] <HappyFool> lukus001: if you've entered the password 'recently', it won't ask again
[10:00] <HappyFool> lukus001: only enter a password if asked for one, in other words
[10:00] <lukus001> okay
[10:00] <kcburyshaker> thats what i did
[10:00] <kcburyshaker> trying to find where it installed to in the menu
[10:01] <HappyFool> Kyynara: let's try this: --kernel-source-path=/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build
[10:01] <lukus001> well.. i follwed the code to install sun-j2re1.5
[10:01] <lukus001> it say cant find package now
[10:01] <lukus001> so thats progress
[10:01] <lukus001> how do i make it find it :s
[10:01] <xirtam> when i run apt-get update i get an GPG-error: W: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com hoary-security Release: Couldn't access keyring: No such file or directory ... any ideas?
[10:02] <linuxfan> hello
[10:02] <linuxfan> can anyone help me
[10:02] <HappyFool> lukus001: i'm afraid i'm not familiar with installing java. have you added the 'backports' repositories that ubuntuguide.org recommends ?
[10:02] <likkashot> yoo
[10:02] <lukus001> is that the one where it get you to add a few urls then run apt get?
[10:02] <linuxfan> How can I install PHP and MySQL? (i alrady have apache web server)
[10:02] <linuxfan> For Ubuntu
[10:02] <HappyFool> lukus001: yeah
[10:02] <lukus001> i done that
[10:03] <Invis> why when i run programs from command line xserver rejects them?
[10:03] <lukus001> that worked
[10:03] <HappyFool> linuxfan: use Synaptic and search for php and mysql (System -> Administration -> synaptic)
[10:03] <linuxfan> ok, thank u
[10:03] <lukus001> but it still doesnt find the "package"
[10:03] <HappyFool> lukus001: let me just look at the ubuntuguide instructions... one sec
[10:03] <lukus001> ok, thank you
[10:04] <HappyFool> lukus001: you have run 'sudo apt-get update', right?
[10:04] <lukus001> yeah, ill do it again now though
[10:05] <lukus001> and now thats all done
[10:05] <husher> does ubuntu have some centralized package repository (like gentoo's portage, for example)?
[10:05] <HappyFool> lukus001: can you paste your sources.list here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[10:05] <HappyFool> husher: there is a package management system (apt) -- not sure what portage is
[10:06] <HappyFool> husher: try 'man apt-get' and maybe 'man dpkg' -- and also Synaptic (gui for all this): System -> Admin -> Synaptic
[10:06] <klaym> how do I set my icons from a certain size to another?
[10:06] <husher> HappyFool: it's a lot like apt; i was really looking for some kind of browsable package database
[10:06] <jbroome> synaptic will let you browse and search available programs/packages
[10:06] <HappyFool> husher: maybe packages.ubuntu.com -- otherwise synaptic is .. err. browsablish. or aptitude
[10:07] <husher> HappyFool: i'm considering a switch from Gentoo, but I'd like to see a list of packages first
[10:07] <lukus001> ok done tha i think
[10:07] <HappyFool> lukus001: do you have an URL for me ?
[10:07] <HappyFool> lukus001: i.e., where you ended up after the paste
[10:08] <lukus001> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/113 right
[10:08] <HappyFool> lukus001: yip
[10:08] <Trix> hello I am currently user of gentoo distribution but I was thinking of giving Ubuntu a try
[10:09] <Trix> so I am windering a few things
[10:09] <Trix> wondering...
[10:09] <amrietta3> hi
[10:09] <HappyFool> lukus001: hmm, that's not quite right
[10:09] <Trix> which versions of software can I get with apt-get or synaptic
[10:10] <HappyFool> Trix: take a look at packages.ubuntu.com
[10:10] <Trix> thank you HappyFool
[10:10] <lukus001> the fact the source is right.. or because its wrong?
[10:11] <husher> has anyone here switched from Gentoo to Ubuntu?
[10:11] <Trix> hehe
[10:11] <Trix> husher: I am just think of it
[10:11] <HappyFool> lukus001: no, you've just made some minor errors ... one sec
[10:11] <Trix> :)
[10:11] <lukus001> ah ok
[10:12] <HappyFool> lukus001: try this: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/114
[10:12] <husher> Trix: me too; i'm tired of waiting for packages to compile
[10:12] <HappyFool> lukus001: or recopy the one from ubuntuguide.org
[10:12] <tecywiz121> hey agian
[10:12] <Trix> husher: I have been using gentoo or three years and I want change
[10:12] <HappyFool> lukus001: you can cut-and-paste the one from ubuntuguide.org if you prefer
[10:12] <lukus001> then try install java again?
[10:13] <HappyFool> lukus001: yeah
[10:13] <HappyFool> lukus001: at this point i'll warn you that not everyone thinks backports is all that great
[10:13] <tecywiz121> just wondering if anyone know how to install java in X84_64?
[10:13] <husher> Trix: me too.  My computer's running too well; I can't stand it :)
[10:13] <lukus001> well, i dont even know what im doing in all honesty im just doing what the guide says
[10:13] <mike595> hi i am fairly new with ubuntu, can anyone help me
[10:14] <mike595> i am trying to install a tar.gz file
[10:14] <lukus001> damn window's xp messed my head up ^^
[10:14] <simone> Hi... followed advice to get avi's up and running... removed totem -gstreamer and installed totem-xine.... Now the AVI movie plays except that I do not have any sound. The system-sounds still work, but the movie-sound is not functioning? What did I do wrong?
[10:14] <HappyFool> lukus001: well, if anything breaks in the future be sure to mention that you're using backports as part of your question ;)
[10:14] <lukus001> i still got the same problem even with the code from that link you gave me
[10:14] <tecywiz121> anyone?
[10:14] <Trix> how fast are the packages in ubuntu updated after source has been marked stable from developer???
[10:15] <lukus001> java still wont install... is it because i have gb.archive in the url not us.archive
[10:15] <HappyFool> Trix: a release is made every six months
[10:15] <LathropWells> How do i enter the " ^ " in the command  ^A c   ?
[10:15] <jbroome> ctrl
[10:15] <tecywiz121> just wondering if anyone know how to install java in X84_64?
[10:15] <Trix> hmm
[10:15] <HappyFool> Trix: ubuntu isn't really bleeding edge ;)
[10:15] <ivanox> if the system just freezes after having installed the latest nvidia driver and changed driver to "nvidia" in xorg.conf could that be driver problem, or broken hardware?
[10:15] <LathropWells> Thanks
[10:16] <jbroome> HappyFool: i think Trix was talking about security updates, not complete OS revisions
[10:16] <HappyFool> lukus001: if you have a correct sources.list and the command doesn't work, i'm not sure
[10:16] <HappyFool> jbroome: ok, oops
[10:16] <Trix> jbroome: exactly and upgrading to latest versions of software
[10:16] <tecywiz121> or how bout getting firefox i368
[10:17] <HappyFool> jbroome: ah-ha! so doth the gentoo user reveal itself! ;)
[10:17] <lukus001> i guess there no harm in chaing my gb.archive link for the us
[10:17] <kbrooks> meh
[10:17] <tritium> Trix, once a stable release is made, no updates (other than security update) are made until the next release.
[10:17] <Trix> when new version of for example evolution is released how long does it take to be availible through apt-get
[10:17] <HappyFool> lukus001: they should be identical (the two sites)
[10:18] <Trix> one week? one day?
[10:18] <lukus001> then why have the two oO lol
[10:18] <jbroome> HappyFool: nope, i'm on hoary right now
[10:18] <HappyFool> lukus001: for load balancing
[10:18] <tecywiz121> ideas on how to get java working?
[10:18] <lukus001> ahh
[10:18] <HappyFool> jbroome: i meant trix's question, not you ;)
[10:18] <tritium> Trix, if the new version is not a security fix, it won't be updated until the next release, unless you decide to run the development release (e.g. breezy, right now)
[10:19] <HappyFool> jbroome: supposed to be funny, nevermind :)
[10:19] <lukus001> never changeda thing anyway
[10:19] <lukus001> if i download the file from the website to my desktop, how can i install it from that?
[10:19] <tritium> tecywiz121, install java-package, download Sun's binary installer, use make-jpkg (see docs in /usr/share/doc/java-package)
[10:19] <HappyFool> lukus001: try 'apt-cache search jre' -- do you get anything?
[10:19] <Trix> i just dont know ...  from gentoo to ubuntu... to gentoo or to ubuntu this is the question :)
[10:20] <Trix> he
[10:20] <holycow> http://www.teaser.fr/~hfiguiere/linux/digicam.html  <-- awesome reference page for linux and digital cameras
[10:20] <HappyFool> Trix: what do you require from a distro?
[10:20] <husher> tritium: so, how soon after release do packages make it into the development release, typically?
[10:21] <lukus001> i get some docbook thing...
[10:21] <tritium> husher, a few weeks, on average, perhaps.  difficult to say, as it varies
[10:21] <HappyFool> lukus001: and that's it?
[10:21] <lukus001> did u mean jre or j2re aswell ;)
[10:21] <Trix> HappyFool: i have everything i want from gentoo, but i am bored and want some changes in my life,... :))
[10:21] <HappyFool> lukus001: oops
[10:21] <HappyFool> lukus001: j2re
[10:21] <HappyFool> Trix: heh
[10:21] <simone> sorry to repeat question: I installed totem-xine. It is now playing my avi's but without sound. My system sounds that comes with the desktop still works, but no movie sounds? What should I do to get sound working?
[10:21] <HappyFool> Trix: go on holiday ;)
[10:21] <lukus001> nothing
[10:21] <husher> i'm looking for what Trix wants, but with bleeding edge packages :)
[10:22] <lukus001> coman not found
[10:22] <lukus001> command* sorry
[10:22] <HappyFool> lukus001: eh?
[10:22] <GNULinuxer> simone, tell xine to use esd as the sound driver
[10:22] <HappyFool> lukus001: 'apt-cache search j2re'
[10:22] <caonex> anybody using vnc through ssh tunnel?
[10:22] <Trix> how is with nforce2 soundstorm soundcard in ubuntu?
[10:22] <lukus001> my fualt i mised the - out... i got invalid operation j2re
[10:23] <HappyFool> lukus001: you need 'search' as well
[10:23] <lukus001> rofl not my day :'(
[10:23] <tuxrocks> Can anyone help me???
[10:23] <tritium> lukus001, I'd recommend java-package so that your j2re will be under package management.  (You'll build a .deb from Sun's installer)
[10:24] <tuxrocks> i get a message saying that i have 1 broken package on my system when i am in Synaptic
[10:24] <lukus001> i done it properly this time.. it just retuirned with the root@verpix:/home
[10:24] <lukus001> i.e. nothing
[10:24] <tuxrocks> what should i do to fix that?
[10:25] <HappyFool> lukus001: then sun-j2re1.5 is not in backports, or something else is wrong. Seveas said the ubuntuguide.org was wrong regarding this -- perhaps it is
[10:25] <HappyFool> lukus001: perhaps you should follow tritium's advice
[10:25] <simone> GNULinuxer, how do I tell xine to use esd as the sound driver?
[10:25] <tuxrocks> i get a message saying that i have 1 broken package on my system when i am in Synaptic
[10:25] <tuxrocks> what should i do to fix that
[10:25] <lukus001> what java package? exactly though
[10:25] <tritium> tuxrocks, backports are unadvisable
[10:25] <tuxrocks> what do u mean?
[10:26] <HappyFool> lukus001: see wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[10:26] <lukus001> ok.. thank you
[10:26] <tritium> tuxrocks, they make upgrading to the next stable release a pain, for one thing
[10:26] <tuxrocks> oh
[10:26] <tuxrocks> so should i worry about the message?
[10:26] <theotheo> Hello, does anyone know how to make dvd-movies play in ubuntu 5.04, i can't get dvdcss installed
[10:27] <tweek> tuxrocks, totse?
[10:27] <HappyFool> theotheo: you have followed the instructions on wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats ?
[10:27] <tuxrocks> does anyone know any good beginner's guides to Ubuntu??
[10:27] <tuxrocks> i could use one, lol
[10:27] <HappyFool> tuxrocks: wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation is a start
[10:27] <tritium> tuxrocks, http://ubuntuguide.org/, but some of it is bogus advice
[10:28] <tuxrocks> thanks!!
[10:28] <theotheo> No i didn't, for i don't know the page, i'll take a look, thanks
[10:31] <HappyFool> in some sane parallel universe ubuntu is allowed to distribute dvd and mp3 players on the install cd, and this channel is much quieter
[10:31] <ivanox> if I have fucked up my kernel what can I do?
[10:32] <shekhar> hello all, could someone help me establishing a gprs connection with my bluetooth modem in hoary?
[10:32] <Trix> unfuck it
[10:32] <HappyFool> you can hope you haven't removed the standard kernel images
[10:32] <airox> Hi, how can I allow my own user to mount iso's without sudo ?
[10:32] <tweek> ivanox the kernels need lovin'
[10:32] <airox> chmod +s on root or something ?
[10:32] <tweek> -s
[10:32] <exobot> Hi, can anyone help with a WPC54G wireless card install using ndiswrapper please? D:
[10:32] <LokeDK> How do I control which services should start up when booting ubuntu?
[10:32] <ivanox> tweek, I took it a bit to hard I fear
[10:33] <tweek> werd
[10:33] <pepsi> breezy is brokeass :D
[10:33] <tweek> what did you do to it
[10:33] <ivanox> installed nvidia kernel and it broke
[10:33] <exobot> anyone?
[10:34] <djm62> LokeDK: update-rc.d
[10:34] <HappyFool> airox: i'd stick with sudo, or just use nautilus (there's some plugin to browse iso's)
[10:34] <tweek> ivanox i have to goto work :\
[10:34] <tweek> sorry
[10:35] <ivanox> wtf =(
[10:35] <LokeDK> thx djm62
[10:35] <airox> HappyFool: I'm using a right mouse button menu to mount iso's in kde. So I wanted to let my own user to do this :)
[10:35] <airox> I'm the only user on the system.
[10:36] <orhs> hey all!
[10:36] <HappyFool> doesn't kde have an equivalent to gnome's 'fileroller' ?
[10:36] <heimdall> Hi all !
[10:36] <airox> Well I need to mount images to let other programs use it.
[10:36] <HappyFool> airox: you can *try* setting mount suid, i guess, but i wouldn't recommend it
[10:36] <kcburyshaker> OMG!!!!!   i just did something with ubuntu i never could do with fedora!  i just played a dvd
[10:36] <kcburyshaker> ok  now ubuntu rocks
[10:36] <orhs> lol
[10:36] <AySink> lol
[10:36] <airox> True.
[10:36] <airox> :)
[10:36] <HappyFool> airox: ah, fair enough
[10:37] <kcburyshaker> fedora never did read my hardware right
[10:37] <kcburyshaker> but this rocks
[10:37] <exobot> With ndiswrapper, when I dmesg it gives me 3 errors of "wlan0: no IPv6 routers present" :
[10:37] <exobot> Please, anyne help? D:
[10:37] <kcburyshaker> im a very happy user and will tell friends about this now
[10:37] <orhs> well iam missing my WIFI on ubuntu... spent 4 hours on it then i had to re-install my comp :P
[10:37] <Cooner750> ok back
[10:38] <heimdall> HappyFool remember me ?
[10:38] <heimdall> how are you ?
[10:38] <exobot> I'm a unhappy user :(
[10:38] <Cooner750> running Ubuntu on a AMD Athlon XP 3200 right now :)
[10:38] <airox> :))
[10:38] <orhs> anyone know any good/fun programs to download? just lovin the apt-get command :P
[10:39] <HappyFool> heimdall: hi there. fine thanks, how are you?
[10:39] <orhs> why exobot?
[10:39] <HappyFool> orhs: supertux
[10:39] <HappyFool> orhs: browse the 'games' section in universe. lots of time-wasting apps there
[10:39] <heimdall> HappyFool : well fine too thx, I just have maybe found something for me problem
[10:40] <heimdall> HappyFool : can I ask you what do you think of what I've found ?
[10:40] <exobot> orhs: Because my wireless isn't working D:
[10:40] <HappyFool> heimdall: sure
[10:41] <heimdall> okay, I found this page just 2 min ago :) http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23252.html
[10:41] <orhs> exobot, well just pend some hours on getting ndiswrapper and installing the drivers, type much code
[10:41] <exobot> I have.
[10:41] <heimdall> it seems that this guy is describing exactly the same problem as me
[10:41] <eisregen> hi =)
[10:42] <heather> hi
[10:42] <shekhar> anyone know how to dial a gprs connection in ubuntu?
[10:43] <HappyFool> heimdall: so have you tried it?
[10:43] <heimdall> HappyFool : I can try to disable 'acpi' (enven if for the moment I don't know what it is) but it seems that it is not the solution all time
[10:43] <heimdall> since it didn't work for someone there
[10:43] <HappyFool> heimdall: let me just check... i think acpi is power management
[10:43] <heimdall> HappyFool : well I don't know what 'acpi' means, and if I have to install again to disable it
[10:44] <battlecat> how do you look at a FAT32 partition with WinXP from Ubuntu Gnome?
[10:44] <HappyFool> heimdall: no, you should be able to tweak grub for that
[10:44] <Octane-wrk> hi all has anyone here gotten a Marvell 88E8053 gigabit NIC working?
[10:45] <heimdall> HappyFool : oh ok
[10:45] <lickety> battlecat, mount -t vfat /dev/hd?# /mnt/dir
[10:45] <eisregen> I've just ubuntu 5.04 for amd64 .... uhm ... .what can I say except gnome starts up and hangs .... not that I expected gnome to work at all .... but what runlevel does Ubuntu use for multiuser/no-x envoironment ? ... and whats the apt-get param to install KDE ?
[10:45] <eisregen> *installed
[10:45] <battlecat> Oh I see Lickety is there no other way than throught the terminal
[10:46] <HappyFool> heimdall: (from google) : ACPI is short for "Advanced Configuration and Power Interface"
[10:46] <mjr> Octane-wrk, I seem to have a "Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Yukon Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000Base-T Adapter (rev 13)" on this box and mostly working; dunno if it's that spesific model
[10:46] <lickety> battlecat, you can modify the /etc/fstab file
[10:46] <battlecat> oh ok thanks
[10:46] <battlecat> Ill try the first way
[10:46] <HappyFool> eisregen: ubuntu doesn't work like that (runlevels for X)
[10:46] <heimdall> HappyFool : ok, but did you notice that it is not always the solution to disable it ?
[10:46] <Octane-wrk> mjr:  thanks for the answer, no thats not the same thing :( i wish i had a yukon --it would work!
[10:46] <heimdall> HappyFool : you can look here : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25487
[10:46] <HappyFool> eisregen: you can try shutting down gdm: 'sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop'
[10:46] <lickety> eisregen, I would guess that the no X run level is 3
[10:46] <HappyFool> heimdall: yeah, i saw
[10:47] <eisregen> lickety: thanks =)
[10:47] <eisregen> lickety:
[10:47] <HappyFool> heimdall: but it's probably worth trying
[10:47] <battlecat> lickety Can windows see a linux partition?
[10:47] <Cooner750> I get this after installing updates: "E: linux-image-2.6.10-5-386:  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2"
[10:47] <heimdall> HappyFool : looks like it deals again with nvidia, as we saw yesterday
[10:47] <heimdall> HappyFool : I'm pessimist
[10:47] <HappyFool> eisregen: try installing 'kubuntu-desktop' for kde
[10:48] <lickety> battlecat, no
[10:48] <HappyFool> heimdall: i don't blame you ;)
[10:48] <battlecat> ahh almost pointless then.
[10:48] <battlecat> Lickety: Almost pointless then huh?
[10:48] <heimdall> HappyFool : I think at last this is probably not a problem with my SiS630, because I saw in the x conf file that it was recognized
[10:48] <heimdall> driver = "sis" etc..
[10:49] <maruchan> is their a way to get movifone to work
[10:49] <eisregen> HappyFool: thanks .... sorry ... never bothered to use a debian based distro ... so it's apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[10:49] <HappyFool> battlecat: try explore2fs (something like that) -- let's you copy files from ext3 (linux) to windows
[10:49] <HappyFool> eisregen: yeah
[10:49] <maruchan> is their a trick to see stupid trailers from moviefone
[10:49] <eisregen> HappyFool: thanks =)
[10:49] <HappyFool> eisregen: with maybe a 'sudo' in front
[10:49] <battlecat> HappyFool: Thanks for the suggestion. I think I should just break down and make the switch.
[10:49] <balor> Is there a good audio recorder/editor for Ubuntu (audacity don't work for me)?
[10:49] <eisregen> HappyFool: no ... I figured the 'sudo passwd root'
[10:49] <eisregen> ^^
[10:50] <eisregen> bye =)
[10:50] <lickety> I'd really like to see a multitrack editor for linux that was free somewhat in the vein of cool edit
[10:50] <HappyFool> eisregen: heh. ok ;)
[10:50] <eisregen> and thanks again ^^
[10:50] <heimdall> HappyFool : well looks like it is a boot option (acpi) I would have to press F5
[10:50] <HappyFool> heimdall: in install?
[10:51] <heimdall> HappyFool : hum don't really know....
[10:51] <HappyFool> heimdall: why not just add a parameter using grub, on your existing install
[10:51] <balor> lickety, I take it that means no?
[10:51] <HappyFool> heimdall: press 'ESC' when you boot, then it think it's 'a' to add a parameter
[10:51] <heimdall> HappyFool : you know that I'm not very familiar with linux ;)
[10:51] <lickety> balor, to my knowledge, it doesn't exist, if it does, it's a commercial application
[10:52] <HappyFool> heimdall: fair enough. i'm not sure what the precise parameter is, e.g., if it's pci=noacpi like the page said
[10:52] <HappyFool> lukus001: i've never gotten dcc chat to work with x-chat ;)
[10:53] <HappyFool> lukus001: still trying to get java installed?
[10:53] <heimdall> HappyFool : I'll try to do something.... well the idea that it could be a problem with the power management is pretty nice to me, because I already had problems with that and Mdk9.1
[10:55] <heimdall> HappyFool : this is too bad that I have to reboot each time ;)
[10:55] <HappyFool> heimdall: have you looked here? https://wiki.ubuntu.com//HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops
[10:56] <heimdall> HappyFool : no I'm gonna look now
[10:57] <HappyFool> heimdall: also here: http://www.linux-laptop.net/  -- what's your model again?
[10:57] <heimdall> I lloked at this wbsite
[10:57] <heimdall> samsung VM8000, it is not there
[10:58] <heimdall> I believe I saw VM7000
[10:58] <heimdall> but no 8000
[10:58] <heimdall> grrr ;)
[10:59] <UnGoD> hello?
[11:00] <UnGoD> i dont know who can help me....
[11:00] <HappyFool> hello
[11:00] <UnGoD> but i cant get the ubuntu test disk to work
[11:00] <UnGoD> it tells me the the x server isnt configured...
[11:00] <HappyFool> which test disk is that?
[11:00] <UnGoD> i dont know what to do, cuz im new to linux
[11:00] <Addius> hm, having a slight problem. I'm trying to build something that wants to use the dir /lib/modules/'uname -r'/build/ , the problem being that the /build/ dir doesn't exist o_O;
[11:01] <UnGoD> Ubuntu V5.04
[11:01] <LinuxJones> UnGoD, you mean the livecd ?
[11:01] <UnGoD> yeah
[11:01] <UnGoD> the live cd
[11:01] <HappyFool> Addius: you need to install linux-headers-386  (or -686, or -k7, or whatever you kernel is)
[11:01] <LinuxJones> UnGoD, what kind of computer do you have ....like video card /laptop etc ??
[11:02] <UnGoD> i got  a emachine that i modified....PCI NividiaGeforce 128  intel 2.6 celeron
[11:02] <UnGoD> western digi 80 G
[11:03] <UnGoD> 512 MB ram
[11:03] <battlecat> Im looking for a good PHP editor for Ubuntu. Any suggestions?
[11:03] <HiddenWolf> try gedit
[11:03] <peterretief> vi
[11:03] <lukus001> sorry happyfool i got tied away.. yeah im still trying :s.. most of the rapositories dont work... i just done one that did work... and the site say it "work out the box, no need to do anything" but java doesnt work :s
[11:03] <lsuactiafner> battlecat : joe.. or midnight commander (mc)
[11:03] <UnGoD> Running XP Home SP2
[11:03] <wulfepup> ok... so my wireless card works... mostly. (Ad-Hoc is extremely flaky).. but I still haven't figured out why my OGL screen savers are so klunky...nVidia GeForce 440 ith 64MB RAM
[11:04] <Addius> HappyFool: okay, thanks
[11:04] <battlecat> Im spoiled I am used to Dreamweaver MX. The one thing I miss when I try the Linux alternatives is the SITE LINK maintenance that dreamweaver provides. Does any other editor provide that?
[11:04] <HappyFool> lukus001: well, if you haven't run out of patience yet, i see method 3 most often recommended here
[11:04] <LinuxJones> UnGoD, that video card should have no problem afaik
[11:04] <UnGoD> Running XP Home SP2
[11:04] <UnGoD> oops
[11:04] <HappyFool> lukus001: see "Quick Sun JDK install"
[11:04] <UnGoD> what do i do?
[11:04] <heimdall> Hello LinuxJones ;)
[11:04] <squinn> Question for you #ubuntu
[11:05] <LinuxJones> heimdall, hi how did you make out ?
[11:05] <squinn> I need to type 'sudo ifup wlan0' to start wireless every boot. Can I have this performed automatically?
[11:05] <UnGoD> how do i config the X server?
[11:05] <UnGoD> i just want to get on ubuntu
[11:05] <lukus001> ill give it a try =)
[11:05] <HappyFool> squinn: maybe add it to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh ?
[11:05] <balor> Is sourceforge down for people here?
[11:05] <heimdall> LinuxJones : well as I said, I found something here : http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23252.html
[11:05] <LinuxJones> UnGoD, it's been a while since i ran the live cd but I am sure there is a boot option you can add to change the video driver to vesa
[11:06] <lsuactiafner> and chmod +x /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
[11:06] <heimdall> LinuxJones : it describe my problem perfectly, sounds like it could be a problem with 'acpi'
[11:06] <UnGoD> if anyone knows what Jones is refferring to, please elaborate
[11:06] <UnGoD> i really wanna run it
[11:06] <heimdall> LinuxJones : not sure of how to disable it
[11:06] <lsuactiafner> squinn : but just say ifup wlan0 not sudu
[11:06] <optik`> oopsied
[11:06] <HappyFool> heimdall: i think the parameter is just 'noacpi', not 'pci=noacpi'
[11:06] <optik`> i did a dist-upgrade earlier
[11:06] <optik`> and now it wont boot :S
[11:06] <fabio> hello all
[11:06] <lsuactiafner> optik` : check the topic hehe...
[11:07] <optik`> is there a way of reversing said action?
[11:07] <heimdall> HappyFool : yes but where do I type this ?
[11:07] <HappyFool> heimdall: two possible places
[11:07] <fabio> guys anybody knows hot to transform CHM files to PDF's within Ubuntu?
[11:07] <optik`> no not to breezy
[11:07] <LathropWells> squinn - could you create a launcher link and run it system .. preferences .. Sessions .. start up?
[11:07] <optik`> with some backports-staging packages
[11:07] <HappyFool> heimdall: 1) on boot, you should see 'Press ESC for boot menu' (or something similar)
[11:07] <UnGoD> Can anyone help me?
[11:07] <HappyFool> heimdall: so, press ESC to get the grub menu
[11:07] <heimdall> ok for 1
[11:07] <heimdall> okay I'll try this
[11:07] <fabio> UnGoD, what's the prob?
[11:07] <squinn> LathropWells, I could, but wouldn't that have it only load when I go into GNOME?
[11:08] <squinn> I'd like it to load on boot itself.
[11:08] <squinn> and okay, lsuactiafner and HappyFool
[11:08] <HappyFool> heimdall: grub will give you some prompts; i think you type 'a' to add a boot parameter
[11:08] <LathropWells> squinn - yes i guess you are right...
[11:08] <UnGoD> fabio, when i run the Ubuntu livecd, it gets thru the process then says it cant configure the X server
[11:08] <HappyFool> heimdall: so, press 'a', and then type noacpi and <enter>
[11:08] <UnGoD> fabio, when i run the Ubuntu livecd, it gets thru the process then says it cant configure the X server
[11:08] <heimdall> boot parameter would be 'noacpi' or pci=noacpi, I'll try both
[11:09] <UnGoD> i dont think i like this chat client much
[11:09] <UnGoD> lol
[11:09] <heimdall> ok
[11:09] <Cooner750> I have a idea
[11:09] <heimdall> and 2 ?
[11:09] <HappyFool> heimdall: 2 is if it works
[11:09] <Cooner750> I thought it would be neat to be able to save your configs and settings; etc... to the server like Slax linux; if you've ever heard of it
[11:09] <HappyFool> heimdall: then you'll want to update /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:09] <LinuxJones> fabio, did you install xchm maybe you can grab a screenshot and export it using openoffice as pdf ??
[11:10] <fabio> UnGoD, hmm, ru  trying it on a laptop?
[11:10] <HappyFool> heimdall: you need to add 'noacpi' to the '#kopt=' line
[11:10] <heimdall> in order to do noacpi each time ?
[11:10] <UnGoD> no, im running a customized Emachine
[11:10] <HappyFool> heimdall: yeah
[11:10] <LinuxJones> fabio, I don't know of any direct converters unless xchm can do it
[11:10] <fabio> LinuxJones, yep I have it installed, hmm good idea, the point is I wpuld like the whole book :/
[11:10] <HappyFool> heimdall: but, you need to run something first to make that change propagate -- i'm not sure what
[11:10] <UnGoD> XP Home SP2, Nvidia PCI Geforce 5200, Celeron 2.6
[11:10] <LinuxJones> fabio, that would take a while :)
[11:10] <balor> Has anyone managed to get audacity working correctly?
[11:11] <fabio> LinuxJones, hehe yes that's what I thought :P
[11:11] <HappyFool> heimdall: ah, maybe it's update-grub
[11:11] <LathropWells> UnGoD - I feel your pain. "" Emachine. - lol
[11:11] <heimdall> HappyFool : sounds pretty difficult to me :/
[11:11] <HappyFool> heimdall: no, not at all
[11:11] <heimdall> lol
[11:11] <fabio> UnGoD, hmm that's pretty strange, I use the same GFX here
[11:11] <UnGoD> it was a cheapie...lol  but im happy with it
[11:11] <LinuxJones> balor, audacity was working just fine last time I used it
[11:11] <exobot> rebootin now after compiling ndiwrapper 1.1
[11:11] <heimdall> you think... :)
[11:11] <HappyFool> heimdall: just edit /boot/grub/menu.lst with your favourite editor
[11:11] <exobot> please work D:!
[11:11] <UnGoD> i just dont want windows anymore
[11:11] <HappyFool> heimdall: e.g., 'sudo nano /boot/menu/grub.lst'
[11:11] <heimdall> I have NOT favorite editor :)
[11:11] <HappyFool> heh
[11:11] <heimdall> at least not in console mode :)
[11:11] <LathropWells> you can't beat $299 for a 2.8 celeron
[11:11] <HappyFool> heimdall: well, nano is not too hard to use
[11:12] <fabio> UnGoD, have you tried to check for the md5 checksum and see if it was downloaded correctly?
[11:12] <balor> LinuxJones, no problems with the quality of output?  If not it must be my settings.
[11:12] <orhs> i want to learn PHP and Python
[11:12] <HappyFool> heimdall: let's test if you can get (1) working first
[11:12] <heimdall> yes
[11:12] <HappyFool> heimdall: we can worry about updating grub later
[11:12] <exobot> orhs PHP isn't that hard :)
[11:12] <fabio> orhs, cool
[11:12] <UnGoD> im not even sure what that means, fabio
[11:12] <heimdall> and we'll see 2 later
[11:12] <heimdall> yes :)
[11:12] <AySink> ors: "Learning Python" - Oreilly, and "PHP 5 Power Programming" - Prentice Hall
[11:12] <LinuxJones> balor, your getting distortion or something ?
[11:12] <heimdall> I have always hope ;)
[11:12] <orhs> exobot, but i dont know were to start :P
[11:12] <exobot> w3schools is good
[11:13] <balor> LinuxJones, The output plays about two or three times slower than realtime
[11:13] <heimdall> so, brb !
[11:13] <exobot> also, hang on - I found this place really good to begin with
[11:13] <exobot> http://www.tizag.com/phpT/index.php
[11:13] <fabio> UnGoD, hm ;) well the md5 checksum helps you see if the file you've downloaded have been downloaded correctly,  so if the md5 code is the same as the one in ubuntu website, it means your copy is not corrupted nor files are missing
[11:14] <exobot> after that, you can do basic stuffs, then just build on there - look up new functions on php.net when you need to
[11:14] <pepsi> anyone using breezy?
[11:14] <fabio> i agree with exobot
[11:14] <LinuxJones> balor, did it ever work ok or were you messing about with some settings ?
[11:14] <UnGoD> my friend got a bunch of copies of Ubuntu in the mail...so thats what i have
[11:14] <jbroome> i had taco bell for lunch, so I"m kinda breezy
[11:14] <battlecat> Is there any big changes in breezy to a non-programmer
[11:14] <johan__> how do i set my printer in ubuntu
[11:14] <AySink> I do too - but I still say PHP 5 Power Programming is an awesome book
[11:14] <pepsi> not really, except stuff breaking
[11:14] <HappyFool> battlecat: yeah, it ain't working yet
[11:15] <LinuxJones> johan__, sudo gnome-cups-manager
[11:15] <battlecat> Ok
[11:15] <balor> LinuxJones, I can't get it or the gnome "Sound Recorder" to work.  I only tweaked the Audacity settings after it was b0rk3d
[11:15] <fabio> UnGoD, oh no, that's different cos those will be OK hopefully, so, hmm sorry but I don't know what the prob could be... I am not that advanced at Linux yet
[11:15] <johan__> thnaks
[11:15] <fabio> UnGoD, have you tried googleing it ;P
[11:15] <battlecat> Is Kdevelop3 capable of being a website management tool?>
[11:15] <UnGoD> yeahj
[11:15] <UnGoD> googling got tiring, so i came here
[11:16] <newuser> mm..
[11:16] <fabio> battlecat, afaik nope ;)
[11:16] <fabio> battlecat, but you can use it for writing php code and more
[11:16] <Addius> HappyFool: erhm, I installed the linux-kernel-header for my system but it still didn't add any /build/ in the lib
[11:16] <battlecat> afaik?
[11:16] <fabio> battlecat, as far as i know
[11:16] <UnGoD> is there anyone here that can tell me how to configure the Xserver in order to run ubuntu?
[11:16] <HappyFool> Addius: there should be a build symbolic link
[11:16] <exobot> Argh, when I modprobe ndiswrapper I get an "operation not permitted"
[11:16] <exobot> any ideas?
[11:16] <battlecat> I really was hoping to find a prog that would manage the site links more than anything
[11:17] <HappyFool> Addius: e..g, i have /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build
[11:17] <Addius> HappyFool: nopes, none
[11:17] <fabio> battlecat, have you tried Nvu?
[11:17] <HappyFool> Addius: ok, what does 'uname -r' say ?
[11:17] <battlecat> That isnt avaible through the repositories
[11:17] <HappyFool> Addius: and what package did you install?
[11:18] <Cooner750> anybody know where I can find themes for Ubuntu?
[11:18] <UnGoD> is there anyone here that can tell me how to configure the Xserver in order to run ubuntu?
[11:18] <fabio> battlecat, it is with the extraones, look at this: http://ubuntuguide.org/#nvu
[11:18] <exobot> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[11:19] <exobot> This is pissing me off
[11:19] <fabio> exobot, what's wrong?
[11:19] <HappyFool> Cooner750: try maybe http://art.gnome.org/   -- i haven't used it myself
[11:19] <LinuxJones> exobot, search the wiki that question gets asked a few times a day
[11:19] <fabio> Cooner750, yes art.gnome.org is good
[11:19] <Addius> HappyFool: 'uname -r' says 2.6.10-5-386, and I installed linux-kernel-headers_2.6.11.2-0'blabla'_i386.deb
[11:19] <Cooner750> happyfool: thanks
[11:19] <HappyFool> Addius: hm
[11:19] <HappyFool> Addius: no, use apt-get
[11:20] <HappyFool> Addius: 'sudo apt-get install linux-headers-386'
[11:20] <Addius> HappyFool: I can't, there's no internet on the computer
[11:20] <HappyFool> Addius: rather do not download .deb files and install them -- it is rarely necessary
[11:20] <HappyFool> Addius: ah
[11:20] <HappyFool> Addius: ok, stand by
[11:20] <Addius> rarely as said :p
[11:20] <Cooner750> this is cool: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/art.gnome.org/backgrounds/GNOME-GnomeInThunder_1024x768.jpg
[11:20] <Randall> cthulfuego, are you here?
[11:20] <exobot> LinuxJones, I follwed the SetupNdiswrapperHowto exactly :(!
[11:21] <carambol> i cant  install mplayer with apt.
[11:21] <carambol> it is not in backports
[11:21] <trendsv> mplayer how?
[11:21] <LinuxJones> exobot, sorry I meant to say search the forum boards my mistake ;)
[11:21] <aspuru> Re all: I think i rebooted my computer before answering yes to a re-lilo after kernel upgrade. Now I think I need to boot using the live cd to fix the stuff
[11:21] <carambol> no install candidate
[11:21] <HappyFool> Addius: you have the install cd?
[11:21] <fabio> carambol, have you tried http://ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer
[11:22] <aspuru> how do I open synaptic on the mounted disk? chrooting?
[11:22] <exobot> LinuxJones: Yup that too, I have about 10 different threads open with the same question in, none of them seem to work...
[11:22] <Ali_Baba> lots of X updates on breezy repos :)
[11:22] <Addius> HappyFool: yeah
[11:22] <HappyFool> mplayer should be in universe; the various grey-legal codecs may be in backports
[11:22] <carambol> but i get the message:no candidate
[11:22] <HappyFool> Addius: and you haven't updated your kernel?
[11:22] <djm62> aspuru: probably best to use apt-get or synaptic
[11:23] <djm62> aspuru: apt-get rather than synaptic...I don't know how happy X will be
[11:23] <carambol> fabio:the same for mozilla-mplayer
[11:23] <Cooner750> is there a program that can 'mask' all of that text that displays when linux is booting?
[11:23] <Cooner750> like a splash screen?
[11:23] <djm62> Cooner750: coming in breezy
[11:23] <aspuru> djm: ok, what command shall i tell it to resume installation of the kernel package in case it was broken
[11:23] <fabio> carambol, have you added the extra repositories?
[11:23] <aspuru> djm: apt-get upgrade kernel ?
[11:23] <LinuxJones> exobot, I wish I could help, I don't have a wireless card.
[11:23] <carambol> yeah
[11:23] <Addius> HappyFool: I've opened up a source for a new kernel but I haven't compiled and exchanged it no
[11:24] <Cooner750> ok
[11:24] <djm62> aspuru: do you have the package file on disk?
[11:24] <exobot> No problem, it's just it's getting a bit annoying.
[11:24] <HappyFool> Addius: ok, the headers package is on the cd
[11:24] <carambol> i will try it again
[11:24] <Addius> ok
[11:24] <exobot> It worked in bloody Gentoo, Red Hat and Mandrake, yet not in Ubuntu...
[11:24] <LinuxJones> exobot, yeah lots of folks have trouble with those cards in Linux :(
[11:24] <exobot> :(
[11:24] <HappyFool> Addius: is the cd in the drive on the remote machine ?
[11:24] <cianci10> Can anyone help me with my sound?
[11:24] <Addius> HappyFool: yah
[11:24] <djm62> aspuru: what actually went wrong?
[11:24] <HappyFool> Addius: i mean, the ubuntu machine
[11:24] <cianci10> I am not getting any sound
[11:24] <aspuru> djm: not that I know of. I was running synaptic but then when it upgrades the kernel, it asks some interactive question about re-liloing, I thiknt that is where shit hit the fan because I rebooted w/out ansswering that (b/c I was in a rush)
[11:25] <cianci10> how can i fix this?
[11:25] <HappyFool> Addius: try 'apt-get install linux-headers-386' ?
[11:25] <LinuxJones> exobot, did it work ok out of the box with those other distros ?
[11:25] <HappyFool> Addius: it *should* get it from the cd...
[11:25] <aspuru> turned off my computer I mean
[11:25] <Ali_Baba> cianci10:do you have nforce sound card?
[11:25] <theotheo> I have installed libdvdcss2, but dvd-movies just don't play
[11:25] <Addius> HappyFool: okay, I'll try, thanks
[11:25] <Cooner750> how to I make things like the panels transparent?
[11:25] <cianci10> Ali_Baba is that software?
[11:25] <HappyFool> Addius: otherwise look in pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.10 for the .debs for the headers
[11:26] <Ali_Baba> cianci10: no,its a type of motherboard :)
[11:26] <djm62> aspuru: chroot then dpkg -i (just checking)
[11:26] <cianci10> oh, lol
[11:26] <HappyFool> Addius: i see two there - the one is probably just a 'fake' package of some sort, but i'm not sure
[11:26] <cianci10> um, no i don't think so Ali_Baba
[11:26] <Addius> HappyFool: I tried with the one in the archives and that didn't add the one I needed.. I'll try this one now
[11:26] <HappyFool> Addius: you need an *exactly* matched kernel version -- that's why the one from the archives didn't work
[11:27] <cianci10> so how can i fix my sound?
[11:27] <djm62> aspuru: the downloaded package files are in /var/cache/apt/archives
[11:27] <Ali_Baba> cianci10: yeah,what options you got in multimedia system selector?
[11:27] <true_black_metal> good day ppli want to ask sameting i want to install my Tv-card what are good video players to use my tvcard on ?
[11:27] <lsuactiafner> theotheo : install mplayer
[11:27] <cianci10> where is that? Ali-Baba??
[11:28] <djm62> aspuru: so when you chroot, do dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/kernel-whatever-etc.deb
[11:28] <cianci10> I am sorry, i am kind of new at this
[11:28] <aspuru> djm: thanks I Will try it as soon as the cd finishes burning
[11:28] <exobot> LinuxJones sorry, was just trying something else, no I had to use ndiswrapper with tyhose too
[11:28] <Ali_Baba> cianci: system-preferences-multimedia system selector
[11:28] <aspuru> djm62: you are extremeley helpful thanks for your time :) I willk tell you the result in about 10 min ...
[11:28] <Cooner750> I think Ubuntu needs something like this
[11:28] <Cooner750> http://slax.linux-live.org/webconfig.php
[11:28] <djm62> aspuru: and try not to break this one, Bond... </q>
[11:28] <HappyFool> exobot: linux jones is taking a smoke break ;) i guess he'll be back in a minute or two
[11:28] <Addius> HappyFool: okay.. well it added the /build/ but it stopped in the next step instead. ack, hehe
[11:28] <Ali_Baba> cianci10: on your taskbar
[11:28] <HappyFool> Addius: heh
[11:28] <cianci10> oh, ok Ali_Baba
[11:28] <exobot> :P
[11:29] <cianci10> thank u.........
[11:29] <orangey> quick q: I keep getting the following message when trying to install spca drivers for my quickcam: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[11:29] <cianci10> let me see
[11:29] <exobot> please please please work D:!
[11:29] <orangey> However, I have no /usr/src/linux-2.6.10-5-386/debian/build dir.
[11:29] <HappyFool> orangey: install linux-headers-386: 'sudo apt-get install linux-headers-386'
[11:29] <Ali_Baba> cianci10: i got alsa as default sink and oss as default source
[11:29] <likkashot> :(
[11:29] <exobot> out of interest, how come there are no mods?
[11:29] <exobot> ops*
[11:29] <orangey> HappyFool: Brilliant!
[11:30] <cianci10> Ali_Baba, so what did u wanna know?
[11:30] <likkashot> I think ill have to change distributions
[11:30] <lsuactiafner> exobot : ops will get private queries..
[11:30] <lsuactiafner> we dont want that
[11:30] <FunkDatSit> hey all, can anybody help me set artwiz to my default fonts on fluxbox?
[11:30] <orangey> HappyFool: thank you kindly.
[11:30] <exobot> Ah
[11:30] <exobot> clever..
[11:30] <HappyFool> orangey: np
[11:30] <djm62> exobot: they prefer not to keep op privs, instead gaining them when necessary
[11:30] <exobot> Yeah, fair enough
[11:30] <exobot> was just wondering :)
[11:30] <Ali_Baba> cianci10:you can try to change that default sink and source and press test button,that might work
[11:31] <lsuactiafner> send a message to HappyFool and see if he stays 'happy'..
[11:31] <LathropWells> likkashot - still having problems? - 64bit install wasn't it?  :/
[11:31] <cianci10> oh, ok
[11:31] <cianci10> thanks
[11:31] <HappyFool> heh. i'm not an op :P
[11:31] <cianci10> g2g
[11:31] <Addius> aff, anyone here got any experience getting the zd1201 driver working?
[11:31] <mcscruff> lo
[11:31] <lsuactiafner> HappyFool : but you could be.. whenever i come here you are answering questions
[11:31] <djm62> it's also good not knowing who's an op...keeps people polite
[11:31] <lsuactiafner> likkashot : i got an amd64 system whats up
[11:32] <exobot> ARGH!
[11:32] <exobot> D:!
[11:32] <lsuactiafner> lol
[11:32] <exobot> Grrrr
[11:32] <mcscruff> pls help, i cant install anything. i want to install a deb and it wont let me su
[11:32] <Church_of_FoamY> can someone tell me where the howto is for the ubuntu repos are?
[11:32] <HappyFool> lsuactiafner: probably cos we're both on during dear old telkom callmore time ;)
[11:32] <orhs> any hackers here? (like good/ethical hackers)
[11:32] <exobot> must..reist.. temptation to throw laptop out of window >:|!
[11:32] <Cooner750> I wish it was eaiser to install MP3 capability
[11:32] <djm62> mcscruff: you can't su, there's no root password: use sudo instead
[11:32] <Ali_Baba> cianci10:you should chech ubuntu forums also,im not really an expert myself too :)
[11:32] <lsuactiafner> HappyFool : bwhahaha yeh it sucks
[11:32] <mcscruff> ok
[11:32] <lsuactiafner> orhs : no such thing
[11:32] <mcscruff> ty
[11:32] <LathropWells> lsuactiafner - likkashot needs a hand
[11:32] <djm62> orhs: wrong forum, wrong question
[11:33] <orhs> ok srry djm62
[11:33] <likkashot> i need more then one haha
[11:33] <exobot> must... kill.. ndiswrapper
[11:33] <orhs> lol
[11:33] <Church_of_FoamY> can anyone tell me how to get to the howto pages?
[11:33] <FunkDatSit> anybody know how to get the artwiz fonts working? i can't seem to set them as default
[11:33] <newuser> Excuse me, what is a good compiler for C? withinn, Ubuntu..
[11:33] <virtuald> gcc
[11:33] <djm62> Church_of_FoamY: best way is always google...howtos change and move
[11:33] <HappyFool> newuser: gcc. install the 'build-essential' package
[11:34] <LathropWells> Church_of_Foamy - the wiki? the guide or just plain 'ol man pages?
[11:34] <newuser> Thank you.
[11:34] <Church_of_FoamY> oh ok thanx
[11:34] <orangey> what's a good video recording program in linux?
[11:34] <djm62> FunkDatSit: default for fluxbox, or for x/gnome
[11:34] <Church_of_FoamY> well i was looking for the how to to put everyhting in the repos
[11:34] <LinuxJones> orangey, for tv shows ?
[11:34] <Church_of_FoamY> in synaptic
[11:34] <FunkDatSit> yeah that's the problem, I started up fluxbox before I had the fonts, and now it uses the ones that come with X
[11:34] <LathropWells> ubotu tell Church_of_Foamy !guide
[11:35] <orangey> LinuxJones: no.. off of my webcam.. THink manifestos : )
[11:35] <LathropWells> ubotu tell Church_of_FoamY !guide
[11:35] <HappyFool> Church_of_FoamY: take a look here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TitleIndex and search for the word 'repository'
[11:35] <exo|busy> LinuxJones wb, no - with otthers distros i still had to use ndiswrapper, but the differnce was: it worked.
[11:35] <Church_of_FoamY> thanx happy ^_^
[11:36] <HappyFool> Church_of_FoamY: adding repositories (if that's what you want to do) isn't too hard: take a look at Settings -> Repositories
[11:36] <lsuactiafner> HappyFool : where do you live?
[11:36] <exobot> hmmm, I suppose in the meantime I could always use XP's Internet connection sharing..
[11:36] <HappyFool> lsuactiafner: centurion (nearish pretoria)
[11:36] <LathropWells> Church_of_Foamy googleing ubuntuguide or ubuntu wiki is pretty direct it also turns up highly rated linux questions.org howtos
[11:36] <HappyFool> lsuactiafner: you?
[11:36] <carambol> is the backports mirror not working?
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> potch, student here
[11:37] <HappyFool> lsuactiafner: ah-ha, cool
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> exams atm.. thats why i dont help much
[11:37] <carambol> i cant get mplayer
[11:37] <HappyFool> lsuactiafner: ouch
[11:37] <LinuxJones> exobot, dude I wish I could give you some help :(
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> carambol : add repositories
[11:37] <djm62> FunkDatSit: you have the fonts installed now? use a theme that uses artwiz (or write your own)
[11:37] <exobot> Nah it's not your fault/problem :)
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> !repository
[11:37] <ubotu> lsuactiafner: Wish i knew
[11:37] <mcscruff> does anyone know that kde app that installs deb files.. i think its something like kpackage
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> hmmmm
[11:37] <exobot> You using ubuntu?
[11:37] <lsuactiafner> whats the command?
[11:37] <carambol> i have done it allready
[11:38] <lsuactiafner> !repos
[11:38] <djm62> mcscruff: why do you want to manually install debs?
[11:38] <ubotu> Wish i knew, lsuactiafner
[11:38] <HappyFool> carambol: mplayer-386 is in 'multiverse'
[11:38] <lsuactiafner> argh
[11:38] <Stuttergart> Does anyone know why the qla2xxx driver doesn't show up in a 'make menuconfig' even though the drivers are in the kernel source package?
[11:38] <mcscruff> i can now manually install
[11:38] <carambol> oh, not in backports?
[11:38] <mcscruff> now im looking for a nice gui
[11:38] <djm62> Stuttergart: have you enabled "experimental options"
[11:38] <mcscruff> there was an app that installed rpm's and deb
[11:38] <djm62> mcscruff: you should use synaptic or similar
[11:39] <mcscruff> it is similar
[11:39] <exobot> blah, I'll try the 1.2rc of ndiswrapper, g'wan . I dare you to work :P
[11:39] <HappyFool> i think it's 'kynaptic' in kde
[11:39] <LathropWells> mcscruff - the "alien" command?
[11:39] <Stuttergart> djm62: I've never even heard of that.
[11:39] <lsuactiafner> qla2xxx : prolly since you didnt select support for incomplete experimantal options
[11:39] <Stuttergart> oh
[11:39] <Stuttergart> no
[11:39] <Stuttergart> I did
[11:39] <newuser> So when was the latest of Ubuntu released?
[11:39] <djm62> april fool's
[11:39] <lsuactiafner> qla2xxx : Code maturity level options .. [*]  Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers
[11:39] <HappyFool> newuser: april 2005
[11:39] <djm62> or thereabouts
[11:40] <Stuttergart> lsu: yep, that's checked.
[11:40] <newuser> Hehehe, Okay thanks.. I just got my connection back after 3 years
[11:40] <LinuxJones> newuser, next release is in October
[11:40] <newuser> Thank you.
[11:40] <Stuttergart> And SCSI support and PCI support are both static.
[11:40] <mcscruff> cheers for al ur help, i want this app because it does a number of things, i think xandros uses it as a primary installer
[11:40] <mcscruff> or mepis does
[11:40] <heimdall> HappyFool : yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[11:40] <HappyFool> heimdall: it works ?
[11:40] <heimdall> HappyFool : at laaaaaaaaaaaaaast
[11:40] <heimdall> yeaaaaaaaaaaah
[11:40] <HappyFool> heh
[11:40] <heimdall> lol
[11:40] <HappyFool> good stuff
[11:40] <LinuxJones> heimdall, what was the problem ?
[11:40] <heimdall> well
[11:41] <heimdall> acpi
[11:41] <exobot> How do you remove things from modprobe again D:
[11:41] <LinuxJones> heimdall, heh
[11:41] <djm62> mcscruff: you can certainly use it...but I'd seriously recommend doing things "the ubuntu way" to make your life easier
[11:41] <heimdall> I type 'e' on grub menu
[11:41] <exobot> modprobe -r?
[11:41] <LinuxJones> exobot, modprobe -r module
[11:41] <heimdall> to edit the boot command
[11:41] <exobot> ty
[11:41] <exobot> weird
[11:41] <heimdall> and then I've added :
[11:41] <heimdall> pci=noacpi
[11:41] <GMAN2003> so whos got a link for noobs like me?
[11:41] <heimdall> and it was okay
[11:41] <exobot> Even after doing that, I still get a unusual error when modprobing it
[11:42] <HappyFool> GMAN2003: wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDocumentation, or even just wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:42] <exobot> I get a "could not open /lib/blahblahblah/ndiswrapper.ko"
[11:42] <heimdall> HappyFool : well it is good news isn't it ??
[11:42] <djm62> mcscruff: manually downloading .debs is a bit retro for an electro-freak like yourself
[11:42] <exobot> even after sudo modprobe -r ndiswrapper
[11:42] <HappyFool> heimdall: very ;)
[11:42] <LinuxJones> exobot, did you run depmod -aE
[11:42] <Cooner750> anybody know of disk partitioning software for linux? (Ubuntu?)
[11:42] <heimdall> HappyFool : well now 2 more things
[11:42] <lsuactiafner> likkashot : lspci | grep -i eth
[11:42] <djm62> Cooner750: gparted, qparted
[11:42] <bionic> anyone know how to make evolution check mails on startup?
[11:42] <lsuactiafner> see if you got two cards detected
[11:42] <synd_> Cooner750: ubuntuguide.com talks about gparted.
[11:42] <Nern> hey
[11:42] <heimdall> 1) update the grub command (maybe there's a way to do this in the graphic mode ?
[11:42] <LathropWells> cooner - gparted or better qtparted or plain 'ol fdisk.
[11:43] <heimdall> 2) find the drivers for my WINmodem :(
[11:43] <synd_> Cooner750: .org i mean
[11:43] <jasmuz> has anyone been able to load a pencam as USB storage?
[11:43] <Cooner750> synd_; I know :)
[11:43] <heimdall> in order to be able to connect to the web with linux :/
[11:43] <Nern> im doing the server install and i need to know the meta packages to apt-get install X and xfce
[11:43] <HappyFool> heimdall: what modem do you have?
[11:43] <Cooner750> I remember using it last night (stupid audio)
[11:43] <Nern> XFCE is xfce4 i believe
[11:43] <lsuactiafner> heimdall : you do not need graphics to do something.. ncurses text > all and most compatable
[11:43] <Nern> but what is the package for xorg
[11:43] <djm62> Nern: xfce4 will depend on x
[11:43] <heimdall> lsuactiafner : yeah yeah sure ;)
[11:43] <djm62> Nern: so just install that
[11:44] <heimdall> HappyFool : I was just checking...
[11:44] <mcscruff> dju62: i like it because i can let it install debs without needing to check for libs etc
[11:44] <LathropWells> Cooner750 - you can easily install any disk software using synaptic / kynaptic (KDE)
[11:44] <exobot> Hmph, now I'm even further away than I was when I started :o
[11:44] <Nern> djm62: YES... thats what I was thinking too
[11:44] <heimdall> HappyFool : smart link 56k modem
[11:44] <HappyFool> heimdall: really?
[11:44] <HappyFool> heimdall: ubuntu apparently comes with some support for that
[11:44] <jasmuz> has anyone been able to load a pencam as USB storage?
[11:45] <HappyFool> heimdall: the 'sl-modem' packages
[11:45] <steob> anyone managed to get an AC'97 sound card workin on Hoare?
[11:45] <heimdall> HappyFool : what ? I tried to detect the modem automatically
[11:45] <heimdall> and it didn't mange
[11:45] <heimdall> manage
[11:45] <HappyFool> heimdall: i think you might still need to download a few packages... just a moment
[11:45] <djm62> mcscruff: the checks are there for a reason...you are free to do other stuff, but it will make your life more difficult, and impossible for people to assist you if (when) there's trouble
[11:45] <jasmuz> steob, what kernel are you running?
[11:45] <synd_> steob: mine worked out of box
[11:46] <jasmuz> mine did too
[11:46] <heimdall> HappyFool : sure I agree.... but... I'll have to share a partition with linux
[11:46] <LathropWells> Nern - you can reinstall the desktop if it's munged using synaptic "ubuntu-desktop" or "kubuntu-desktop"
[11:46] <mcscruff> dju64 , its kvirc it comes in 2 parts, and you need both but i cant install 1 coz it needs the other
[11:46] <gorthaug> i've a problem... i've been reinstalled ubuntu hoary and i've trying to reinstall the ut2004 linux demo... The probles is that in my other installation of ubuntu when i run the ut2004 installation script it's appear a wizard... but now don't appear the wizard... i need to install some packages??
[11:46] <heimdall> HappyFool : cause of course I can only download with windows :)
[11:46] <HappyFool> heimdall: that's not a problem really, unless you need to resize a partition
[11:46] <heimdall> no
[11:47] <Nern> OOOH
[11:47] <Nern> also
[11:47] <Nern> is there an XFCE desktop manager
[11:47] <heimdall> I already made a 10Gb fat32 partition in order to be compatible both with my linux and my windows
[11:47] <Nern> so i dont have to use kdm or gdm
[11:47] <jasmuz> gorthaug, run from a gterm and see if it says any error
[11:47] <steob> jasmuz, latest
[11:47] <heimdall> I just need ot mount it I suppose
[11:47] <steob> synd, is there anyway I could copy your config (for the Ac'97)?
[11:47] <synd_> steob: have you done the soundfix found on ubuntuguide.org
[11:48] <jasmuz> steob, did you check the ubuntuforums for some troubleshoot...because mine runned out of the box
[11:48] <steob> synd,  if thats the one that recommends installing the ALSA stuff, yeah
[11:48] <LathropWells> heimdall - use the optimized defragmentaion option in system mechanic to move all windows files on a disk together. That should give yu more space with the disk resize
[11:48] <steob> I now get a squeal instead of nothing !
[11:48] <synd_> steob: hm
[11:48] <jasmuz> synd hey man
[11:48] <synd_> jasmuz: yes?
[11:48] <HappyFool> heimdall: you need these: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=sl-modem&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hoary&release=all
[11:49] <LathropWells> heimdall - "System Mechanic" is a free trial with full functionality.
[11:49] <heimdall> LathropWells : ok, actually there are already many files on my partition, that I can't remove nor save elsewhere for the moment, but thanks I note
[11:49] <gorthaug> jasumz when i run it in a terminal appear a "text" installer... but... why don't appear now the "graphic" wizard?
[11:49] <HappyFool> heimdall: unfortunately you may need to do a bit of compiling and tweaking
[11:49] <steob> I got a tosh satellite a60
[11:49] <Cooner750> how do I resize a partition with gparted?
[11:49] <djm62> mcscruff: I get 4 kvirc packages in "universe"
[11:50] <lukus001> https://jsecom16c.sun.com/ECom/EComActionServlet/LegalPage:~:com.sun.sunit.sdlc.content.LegalWebPageInfo;jsessionid=B486B571D1B9C4CB35518F2CACFBDE77;jsessionid=B486B571D1B9C4CB35518F2CACFBDE77                     do i download both linux one or both?
[11:50] <jasmuz> gorthaug, i have no idea....mine hasnt given me problems neither on warty or hoary
[11:50] <mcscruff> why aint i :S
[11:50] <Cooner750> On a external HD. I can see the HD but the partition menu is greyed out
[11:50] <steob> I think ubuntu is great but g/f aint havin it cos her MP3's don't play!
[11:50] <djm62> mcscruff: you might need to enable some extra repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:50] <heimdall> HappyFool : hum... as soon as it is not too hard to compile I can try... :/
[11:50] <HappyFool> heimdall: hrm
[11:50] <steob> I dont wanna go back to Win
[11:50] <djm62> mcscruff: this is on the wiki, hang on I'll dig it out
[11:50] <heimdall> I'm not, as you can guess, very used to those things
[11:50] <HappyFool> heimdall: i installed all of this cos i thought it might support my modem
[11:50] <LathropWells> heimdall - an external usb/firewire case is under $50 and makes good use of an old internal drive.
[11:50] <heimdall> I only compile MY little programms :)
[11:51] <HappyFool> heimdall: but don't remember the details
[11:51] <WeirdAl> Hi everyone
[11:51] <WeirdAl> My laptop was turned off when I got home and my dad swears blind it wasn't him...
[11:51] <WeirdAl> Is there a way of finding out what was happening before it shut down?
[11:51] <WeirdAl> Actually, new question...
[11:51] <HappyFool> lukus001: at a guess, the second one is for non-english languages
[11:51] <steob> ask yer dad?
[11:51] <heimdall> HappyFool : ... I'm not following you anymore.. :(
[11:51] <WeirdAl> If you press the off button while the screen is password locked, will it still shut down?
[11:51] <HappyFool> heimdall: sorry, you need to install sl-modem-daemon and sl-modem-source
[11:52] <WeirdAl> Dad won't know, he said there was a password and so he just unplugged the net.
[11:52] <HappyFool> heimdall: i *think* sl-modem-source has a howto. let me quickly install it and see..
[11:52] <jasmuz> WeirdAl, yep
[11:52] <heimdall> HappyFool : oh oki...
[11:52] <WeirdAl> aah, I'll see if he did that
[11:52] <heimdall> HappyFool : is it not possible to find some executable files somewhere ?
[11:53] <heimdall> HappyFool : I know this is not in the "linux spirit"... :)
[11:53] <steob> ok I'm going to have to install Win XP alongside this Ubuntu - any suggestions on how to do this without re-installin Ubuntu?
[11:53] <Prawntasm> Would someone help me set up my ethernet connection? It works on a Knoppix cd, but I get no DHCPOFFERs in my Ubuntu installation
[11:53] <HappyFool> heimdall: no, i think there's some legal/licensing issues (must be, otherwise it would be in compiled form)
[11:53] <synd_> steob: its suggested that Win is installed first.
[11:53] <jasmuz> steob,  why the heck are you going back to Win?
[11:53] <synd_> steob: then ubuntu
[11:54] <heimdall> HappyFool : ah ok....
[11:54] <Cooner750> anybody?
[11:54] <exobot> jasmuz since wireless works there D:
[11:54] <WeirdAl> No, he didn't do that.
[11:54] <steob> cos I can't get sound to work!
[11:54] <HappyFool> heimdall: doesn't look *too* hard
[11:54] <djm62> mcscruff: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:54] <Cooner750> How do I resize partitions in gparted?
[11:54] <heimdall> HappyFool : sounds like it is not just a 'make' to do :/ am I right ?
[11:54] <djm62> mcscruff: sorry that took a while
[11:54] <HappyFool> heimdall: not too much more
[11:54] <WeirdAl> When I turned my laptop back on I got an error screen that didn't seem to have an error on it, but it was asking if I wanted to load defaults from CMOS
[11:54] <heimdall> :)
[11:54] <WeirdAl> So I'd kinda like to know what happened to my PC before it shut down.
[11:54] <HappyFool> heimdall: but you will need to install the 'kernel-package' package as well
[11:54] <heimdall> little things to configure before I suppose ?
[11:55] <LathropWells> heimdall - you can use the graphical find tool on the taskbar under places or the command line  slocate <file_name> = spam find --regex <file_name>
[11:55] <HappyFool> heimdall: no, not really
[11:55] <carlos_> :(
[11:55] <mcscruff> dj , np, i get 1 kvirc but its too old
[11:56] <heimdall> HappyFool : what is this kernel-package ?
[11:56] <lukus001> if /var/install/ doesnt exist do i just create it?
[11:56] <Cooner750> is there anyway I can save my settings in ubuntu
[11:56] <Cooner750> ?
[11:56] <djm62> mcscruff: after you've enabled the repos?
[11:56] <synd_> Cooner750: save seesion upon logout.
[11:56] <HappyFool> heimdall: i'm not completely certain, but it looks like a way to create kernel-related packages
[11:56] <Cooner750> what does that do when I use a live cd?
[11:57] <HappyFool> heimdall: it's not on the cd, so you'll need to download it too
[11:57] <synd_> Cooner750: um
[11:57] <Cooner750> I'd like to save it to my FAT32 external HD
[11:57] <LathropWells> heimdall - ubuntu uses "linux" in place of "kernel" synaptic can easily find them.
[11:57] <theotheo> Can't get totemplayer apt-get install mplayer
[11:57] <mcscruff> dj, yes
[11:57] <HappyFool> heimdall: use packages.ubuntu.com to find the 'correct' version for hoary
[11:57] <Cooner750> I know you could in slax... :(
[11:57] <heimdall> HappyFool : no pb as soon as it is not too heavy (56k :))
[11:57] <exobot> WORK, I COMMAND YOU NDISWRAPPER!
[11:57] <HappyFool> heimdall: i.e., search for 'kernel-package' there
[11:57] <djm62> mcscruff: I get four at version 2.1.3.1
[11:57] <synd_> Cooner750: beyond my level.. i dont mess with live cds.
[11:57] <HappyFool> heimdall: yeah, me too ;)
[11:57] <HappyFool> heimdall: none of these are too big, i don't think
[11:57] <heimdall> HappyFool : oh ?
[11:58] <pfp> Cooner750: you could mount the fat32, then tar your home dir there (if it's personal settings you need, not system- )
[11:58] <synd_> exobot: are the other things in System > Prefs > Networking disabled/unconfigured?
[11:58] <exobot> er, wtf, my comp has locked up...
[11:58] <heimdall> HappyFool : I'm suprised... I thought I was the only one still in the middle age of the internet :)
[11:58] <HappyFool> heimdall: you'll need to install stuff from the cd though -- including 'build-essential' and 'linux-headers-386'
[11:58] <exobot> mouse hasa + with a border on the top and left
[11:58] <mcscruff> dj, that is an old version, current stable is 3.2.0
[11:58] <HappyFool> heimdall: we have a telecommunications monopoly here in sa. DSL is expensive and crippled.
[11:58] <exobot> argh
[11:58] <Cooner750> pfp: how could I go about tarring it?
[11:58] <exobot> Something in firefox
[11:59] <lukus001> happyfool: i'm on this site saying to download a linux build to /var/instal/... but the /install/ part doesnt exisit and i cant creat a folder in var
[11:59] <HappyFool> lukus001: try 'sudo mkdir /var/install'
[11:59] <lukus001> ty
[11:59] <pfp> Cooner750: tar -C ~ -czpf /mnt/fatdisk/homedir.tar.gz .
[11:59] <exobot> synd_, yes
[11:59] <HappyFool> heimdall: anyway, download the sl-modem-daemon, sl-modem-source and kernel-package packages from package.ubuntu.com
[12:00] <pfp> Cooner750: (note the final dot)