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[12:38] <Gombeni> how can I instruct mc to drop me in the last directory I was in before exiting it?
[12:39] <Gombeni> is there a flag for it?
[12:39] <liz4rd> it usually does it 
[12:39] <liz4rd> ypu does it for me
[12:39] <liz4rd> maybe update mc?
[12:40] <Gombeni> I just got an mc from universe repository
[12:40] <Gombeni> it leaves me where I started mc
[12:40] <Gombeni> :(
[12:40] <liz4rd> mmm
[12:41] <Gombeni> my mc version is : 4.6.1-pre1
[12:41] <liz4rd> i keep opeing it and its leaving me at the same place i left
[12:41] <liz4rd> same
[12:42] <Gombeni> maybe there is a flag set by default somewhere, or an option
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[12:42] <Gombeni> I remember trying mc on different machines
[12:42] <liz4rd> maybe but i dont member setting one
[12:42] <Gombeni> on solaris I had the same problem
[12:43] <Gombeni> did you get it from universe?
[12:43] <liz4rd> yers
[12:43] <liz4rd> yes*
[12:44] <liz4rd> mc is my fav term app
[12:44] <liz4rd> i couldnt get threw the day with out it :P
[12:44] <Gombeni> I am so used to it
[12:44] <liz4rd> heh
[12:45] <Gombeni> but as it wasn't installed by default I was wandering if there is another alternative program for it
[12:45] <Gombeni> but It seems that there isn't!
[12:45] <liz4rd> lol yeah
[12:45] <Gombeni> so I got it but it hurts now!
[12:45] <liz4rd> :P
[12:46] <Gombeni> I want my normal mc :(
[12:46] <liz4rd> poor you :P
[12:46] <Gombeni> yeah :)
[12:46] <Gombeni> poor me :D
[12:46] <Gombeni> now I must grep through some setting files
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[12:47] <Gombeni> do you have amaroK?
[12:47] <Gombeni> mine doesn't have any engines!
[12:47] <liz4rd> nah i like xmms just fine
[12:47] <Gombeni> you should try amarok
[12:47] <liz4rd> it hates the fact that i use OSS
[12:48] <Gombeni> I don't use it very often but it has inspiring features
[12:48] <liz4rd> cool
[12:48] <Gombeni> they have a good future IMHO
[12:48] <Gombeni> I am happy with kaffeine now
[12:48] <liz4rd> i liek it
[12:48] <liz4rd> like*
[12:48] <Gombeni> :)
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[12:54] <monchy> blasted mah jongg
[12:55] <liz4rd> lol
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[12:56] <monchy> so close to beating hardest setting ;;
[12:56] <Gombeni> liz4rd:  Are you on a kubuntu machine now?
[12:57] <liz4rd> yes
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[01:10] <Gombeni> liz4rd: I found a way for it, but I am going to make sure if it is the best way to do it.
[01:10] <Gombeni> can you check your alias
[01:10] <Gombeni> to see if you have this or not:
[01:11] <Gombeni> alias mc='. /usr/share/mc/bin/mc-wrapper.sh'
[01:11] <liz4rd> how do i chec hthe alias
[01:11] <liz4rd> :P
[01:12] <Gombeni> just "alias" in a terminal
[01:13] <liz4rd> ypu its there
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[01:15] <Gombeni> thank you. no I need to put this line in a .bashrc : source /usr/share/mc/bin/mc.sh
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[01:15] <Gombeni> now I need to put source /usr/share/mc/bin/mc.sh in a .bashrc
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[01:16] <Gombeni> now can you do this: cat `locate .bashrc` | grep mc
[01:16] <Gombeni> I want to know which on has it
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[01:17] <liz4rd> nothign happend
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[01:18] <Gombeni> is your locate db updated? just "locate .bashrc"
[01:18] <liz4rd> /etc/skel/.bashrc
[01:18] <liz4rd> /etc/bash.bashrc
[01:18] <liz4rd> /usr/share/base-files/dot.bashrc
[01:18] <liz4rd> /home/liz4rd/.bashrc
[01:18] <liz4rd> /root/.bashrc
[01:19] <Gombeni> basically the same as mine.
[01:19] <liz4rd> ok
[01:19] <Gombeni> thanks
[01:19] <liz4rd> np
[01:19] <Gombeni> I'll find a way :D
[01:19] <liz4rd> i hope you do
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[01:23] <nate> Anybody around?
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[01:24] <gdh> just about
[01:24] <gdh> don't ask me about anything to do with graphics drivers
[01:25] <liz4rd> lol
[01:25] <gdh> because they're non-free binary shit and you'll burn in hell for using them =)
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[01:28] <nate> Anybody know how to install the nvidia 6629 drivers?
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[01:31] <yrercer> nassss
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[01:33] <yrercer> spanish????
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[01:35] <yrercer> 
[01:35] <DAC1138> i got a quick question. is the only real difference between ubuntu and kubuntu the default desktop?
[01:36] <KaiL_> yes
[01:36] <DAC1138> they both use the same kernels, the same modules, the same...everything except desktops?
[01:36] <liz4rd> what if i jusdt told you that kubuntu is better?
[01:36] <KaiL_> yes
[01:36] <liz4rd> :P
[01:36] <DAC1138> like my wifi card, works out of the box in ubuntu (wont work on any other distro no matter how hard i try) so if it work on ubuntu, it should work with kubuntu?
[01:37] <KaiL_> yes
[01:37] <DAC1138> alright, thats all i need to know, thanks a bunch
[01:38] <DAC1138> i need to switch, gnome just sux
[01:38] <nate> lol thats what I said
[01:38] <nate> but now I'm wishing I had it back
[01:38] <DAC1138> too windows like, meaning...it crashes every time i do something
[01:38] <nate> KDE uses tons and tons more RAM
[01:39] <DAC1138> i think 768 MB is enough, isnt it
[01:39] <KaiL_> nate: nonsence.
[01:39] <DAC1138> and its not just kde, its all the libs, i tried to get all the libs via synaptic on ubuntu with gnome, it didnt work
[01:39] <nate> well maybe you could tell me why my system uses 700megs of my ram when I boot it up?
[01:39] <KaiL_> DAC1138: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :)
[01:40] <KaiL_> nate: read about cache and buffers
[01:40] <nate> why would that make a difference?  I only use 72megs on Gnome
[01:40] <DAC1138> uh oh, do i smell a flame war?
[01:41] <nate> its not a war...I've been trying to figure it out
[01:41] <nate> because its really odd
[01:41] <nate> I tried Kubuntu to see if I could get my mic working in Counter-Strike
[01:42] <nate> I keep having bad luck with Nvidia right now though......I'm trying to figure out how to get the 6629 drivers installed so I can have something stable
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[01:58] <DAC1138> is freenode having problems?
[01:58] <DAC1138> people all day have been quitting and joining, we had like 50 in a row over a span of like 10 minutes
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[02:20] <closure> anybody seen a kde panel crash?
[02:21] <DAC1138> i have
[02:21] <DAC1138> i just relaunch it from an open terminal
[02:23] <closure> mine reloaded automatic
[02:23] <closure> i wasn't sure what was going to happen
[02:26] <DAC1138> is kdenlive included in kubuntu?
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[02:39] <closure> what's that
[02:41] <DAC1138> it was a video editor, but its a dead project now
[02:46] <CavalierBob> I've got a stray KMenu entry I can't get rid of. Any ideas?
[02:47] <CavalierBob> I've got KPDF between the Control Center and Utilities. Tried deleting the entry, it keeps coming back.
[02:48] <CavalierBob> Edited the .desktop file for KPDF, thinking that might be it...no joy.
[02:48] <CavalierBob> What's weird is the launcher icon doesn't do anything. Will not launch KPDF.
[02:49] <CavalierBob> KPDF launches fine from the launcher under the Graphics menu.
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[03:16] <CavalierBob> Fixed it! In .kde/share/applink there was a weird kpdf_part.desktop file. Moved it to the Trash, weird KMenu entry is gone.
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[03:25] <_david> y0 how do i switch to OSS
[03:28] <CavalierBob> KMenu>Control Center>Sound&Multimedia>Sound System>Hardware tab>"Select the audio device"; change to OSS
[03:29] <_david> like the whole system
[03:29] <_david> from alsa to OSS
[03:30] <_david> i can't install OSS with all of this alsa stuff loaded
[03:31] <CavalierBob> "killalsa" from a terminal??
[03:31] <_david> ok i got OSS installed
[03:31] <_david> whew
[03:32] <CavalierBob> Glad it worked out! :)
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[03:33] <_david> the question is how do i keep ALSA/hotplug from loading the modules up?
[03:33] <_david> the alsa modules
[03:34] <nmorse> What modules are you trying to keep from being loaded?
[03:36] <_david> the soundcard modules and stuff like soundcore etc
[03:36] <nmorse> You want to disable all of alsa?
[03:36] <_david> yeah
[03:36] <nmorse> rcconf
[03:36] <nmorse> Use rcconf and simply disable the alsa service, and that should do it
[03:37] <_david> would chmod -x /etc/init.d/alsa do the same?
[03:37] <nmorse> Unless hotplug decides to revive them for no reason
[03:37] <nmorse> I thought that only worked on Slackware?
[03:37] <_david> hehe i come from slackware
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[03:37] <_david> i guess it does only work on slackware
[03:38] <nmorse> Slack uses a more BSD-like system for startup scripts
[03:38] <_david> what's the name of the command?
[03:38] <nmorse> rcconf
[03:39] <nmorse> You may have to install it
[03:39] <_david> what package is it in?
[03:39] <nmorse> rcconf, I think
[03:40] <nmorse> The Sun J2SDK package sure takes a while to download
[03:41] <_david> weird, the sound control panel won't load
[03:41] <_david> for kde, brb
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[03:46] <nmorse> You know, on Bittorrent I get about 1/6 the speed I could be downloading stuff at
[03:46] <nmorse> And it clogs my whole upload pipe
[03:47] <nmorse> So everything else lags, for an extremely slow download, which I will still inevitably be fetching solely from the server seed
[03:50] <nmorse> 5 seeds, 34 peers and I'm getting about 20 KB/s on average
[03:53] <DAC1138> nmorse, 5 seeds for what? kubuntu torrent?
[03:54] <DAC1138> nmorse, bittorrent does suck in some ways, like most of the time, i'd be uploading at like 40 kb/s and downloading at 4 kb/s, im like "wtf? what kind of download system is this?"
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[03:58] <nmorse> No, this is an unlicensed anime torrent
[03:58] <nmorse> I'm now connected to 8 seeds
[03:58] <nmorse> and 41 peers
[03:58] <nmorse> and am at about 9 KB/s
[03:59] <DAC1138> oh, unlicensed? why cant you just say pirated, i wont tell the officials
[03:59] <nmorse> Unlicensed is different
[03:59] <nmorse> It's legal to download them until they are licensed for the U.S.
[03:59] <nmorse> Helps start word of mouth advertising, I guess
[04:00] <nmorse> I watched Scrapped Princess and Full Metal Panic Fumoffu long before their U.S. releases
[04:00] <nmorse> I'll probably buy Fumoffu
[04:00] <DAC1138> full metal panic? is that from the full metal alchemist series?
[04:00] <nmorse> No, it came first
[04:00] <DAC1138> or are the japanese running out of names and really like the name "full metal"
[04:00] <nmorse> Full Metal Panic is supposedly one of the best animes ever
[04:01] <nmorse> I've only seen the sequel, Fumoffu
[04:01] <nmorse> Alchemist is last in line I think
[04:01] <DAC1138> full metal jacket (american kubrick film full metal alchemist, full metal panic, full metal anime-names-suck
[04:01] <nmorse> Yeah, Full Metal does get around
[04:02] <nmorse> I wish I had the cash to buy all of Full Metal Panic though
[04:02] <DAC1138> i dont like anime, there's people who like it, and people who dont, and the people who like it are always way too obsessive about it
[04:02] <nmorse> Not me, I just watch it occasionally
[04:02] <DAC1138> ive seen my share of animes, and i just cant stand them
[04:02] <nmorse> I don't get satellite, so I don't get to watch Adult Swim
[04:02] <nmorse> Ever see Neon Genesis Evangelion?
[04:03] <DAC1138> yeah, that was one of the first
[04:03] <nmorse> The whole series?
[04:03] <DAC1138> then i heard people say that's not really a good anime, so they said watch akira
[04:03] <DAC1138> so...i saw akira, and that wasnt too good either
[04:03] <nmorse> Bah, Neon Genesis Evangelion is probably the deepest-thinking anime ever
[04:03] <DAC1138> then more anime fans said "oh, if that doesnt wet your whistle, you HAVE to watch metropolis"
[04:04] <nmorse> If you watched right up until the end, you found layer on layer of stuff
[04:04] <DAC1138> so....again, i watched metroplis, it was good, but if that's the best anime has to offer, i still say disney is better, lol
[04:04] <nmorse> Did you finish all of Evangelion?
[04:04] <DAC1138> no, just about 40 minutes of an episode
[04:04] <DAC1138> i couldnt stand it
[04:04] <nmorse> Ah, you really have to watch more than one to appreciate it
[04:05] <DAC1138> and no, i wont go back and watch it again
[04:05] <DAC1138> i KNEW you'd say that
[04:05] <nmorse> I didn't like it when I started watching it either
[04:05] <nmorse> What, it's true?
[04:05] <DAC1138> every anime ive watched (if you read my short story here) has been because people recommend them
[04:05] <DAC1138> and like always, they turn out sucking. im just not the anime fan, and i never will be, so i dont watch anime anymore
[04:05] <nmorse> Ah, I started watching mine with friends who liked them
[04:06] <nmorse> So they explained some of the odder stuff
[04:06] <penguinboy> is lizard man here?
[04:06] <nmorse> doesn't look like it
[04:13] <nmorse> Where's a good Chinese restaraunt when you need one?
[04:15] <monchy> mm chinese food
[04:15] <penguinboy> i had Chinese for supper
[04:15] <nmorse> The Chinese restaurant here went out of business
[04:15] <penguinboy> 8(
[04:18] <penguinboy> My wife had curried chicken and I had chicken fried rice with two egg rolls
[04:19] <monchy> curried chicken is awesome
[04:20] <monchy> could go for some riiiight now *drool*
[04:21] <nmorse> I could go for some Pork Lo Mein, Moo Shu Pork, General Tso's Chicken, Lemon Chicken, Pepper Chicken, Beef on a Stick, Oriental Pepper Beef Steak, et als.
[04:22] <penguinboy> don't forget hiney chicken
[04:22] <nmorse> and some Chow Mein and those thinner noodles I can never remember the name of
[04:22] <penguinboy> honey
[04:22] <penguinboy> lo mein
[04:22] <nmorse> Yes, hiney chicken would have been interesting
[04:22] <penguinboy> lol
[04:22] <nmorse> No, not lo mein, the funny thin, spicy noodles
[04:22] <penguinboy> we got in trouble for this earlier
[04:22] <penguinboy> oh yeah
[04:23] <monchy> that was retarded
[04:23] <monchy> can't believe that kid squealed lol
[04:23] <nmorse> Got in trouble for talking about Chinese food?
[04:23] <monchy> penguin and liz4rd were declaring there love for each other
[04:23] <nmorse> Ah, that had to be interesting
[04:24] <penguinboy> and airbox went and got a irc op
[04:24] <penguinboy> big baby
[04:25] <penguinboy> can I help it if I love him so...he is just so cute and cuddly
[04:25] <penguinboy> monch do you know anything about ndiswrapper???
[04:25] <monchy> have to be able to joke around sometime, can't talk about (k) 24/7
[04:25] <monchy> er (k)ubuntu
[04:25] <penguinboy> lol
[04:26] <monchy> and no, no i don't
[04:26] <monchy> ask nmorse he's a smart guy
[04:26] <penguinboy> what about you nmorse
[04:27] <penguinboy> nmorse: do you know anything about ndiswrapper
[04:27] <kalenedrael> what about ndiswrapper?
[04:27] <nmorse> I think I'm using it right now
[04:27] <kalenedrael> so am i
[04:27] <penguinboy> i need some help
[04:27] <kalenedrael> ok
[04:28] <nmorse> Ubuntu set mine up for me, so I'm probably worthless on the subject
[04:28] <kalenedrael> we need some information
[04:28] <sbcl3> what does kde/kubuntu recommend for 3d graphic building? is blender the best?
[04:29] <sbcl3> i think i've graduated from KTurtle ;)
[04:29] <kalenedrael> haha
[04:29] <nmorse> I don't think KDE/Kubuntu reccomend anything for that, but Blender is what the guys on kde-look.org use
[04:29] <penguinboy> i am trying to get my wireless working.  when i sudo modprobe ndiswrapper i get the follwoing message....FATAL:  Erro inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operaiton not permitted
[04:29] <kalenedrael> i like povray but the scene description language is a bit daunting
[04:29] <kalenedrael> penguinboy, make sure your sudo config is correct
[04:30] <kalenedrael> either that or just su -, then modprobe ndiswrapper
[04:30] <penguinboy> okay...when I su - i get this message:  su: Authenticaiton failure. Sorry.
[04:31] <kalenedrael> oh, you don't have the root pw set up properly, i think
[04:31] <kalenedrael> sudo passwd
[04:31] <penguinboy> can it be fixed???
[04:31] <kalenedrael> yes, with "sudo passwd"
[04:32] <kalenedrael> did you just install (k)ubuntu?
[04:32] <penguinboy> yes kale
[04:32] <penguinboy> installed yesterday
[04:32] <kalenedrael> ok
[04:33] <penguinboy> i modprobed and got the same message
[04:33] <penguinboy> how do i make sure my sudo config is correct?
[04:33] <kalenedrael> well, try sudo passwd, it should prompt you for your password (or not, if you have already authenticated), prompt for a new password, then prompt you to retype that password
[04:34] <kalenedrael> then try su -, then modprobe it
[04:34] <penguinboy> i changed the password already
[04:34] <penguinboy> i did that too and got the same message
[04:34] <penguinboy> should i reboot
[04:34] <kalenedrael> hmm
[04:34] <kalenedrael> lsmod | grep ndiswrapper
[04:34] <kalenedrael> what does that return?
[04:35] <penguinboy> it is still working
[04:35] <penguinboy> or it is stuck
[04:35] <kalenedrael> if it says something like "ndiswrapper           153384  0", that means ndiswrapper is already loaded
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[04:35] <penguinboy> i typed lsmod first and it gave me a long listing and then i typed grep ndiswrapper and it appears to be locked up
[04:36] <kalenedrael> hit ctrl-c
[04:36] <penguinboy> back at root
[04:36] <kalenedrael> ok, you type that whole line as one command
[04:36] <kalenedrael> "lsmod | grep ndiswrapper"
[04:36] <penguinboy> how do you make the vertical line
[04:36] <kalenedrael> should be shift+backslash
[04:37] <kalenedrael> right above the enter key
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[04:37] <penguinboy> typed okay but just went to a root prompt
[04:37] <penguinboy> no feedback
[04:37] <penguinboy> hey incubii
[04:38] <incubii> hello
[04:38] <kalenedrael> ok, that means ndiswrapper is not loaded
[04:38] <penguinboy> should lsmod | grep ndiswrapper have given me any feedback?
[04:38] <penguinboy> shoot
[04:38] <kalenedrael> if it's loaded, it should return a line like i pasted above
[04:39] <penguinboy> any ideas on what to do now
[04:39] <nmorse> I was apparently wrong
[04:39] <nmorse> I think my wireless is working without ndiswrapper
[04:39] <kalenedrael> you're at root prompt and "modprobe ndiswrapper" says "operation not permitted"?
[04:39] <penguinboy> yes
[04:40] <kalenedrael> odd
[04:40] <penguinboy> fatal error inserting ndiswrapper
[04:40] <kalenedrael> ok, well, first of all, do you have the windows drivers installed already?
[04:40] <penguinboy> but if i type ndiswrapper -l i get this message:  installed ndis drivers: w70n51 driver present, hardware presenf
[04:41] <kalenedrael> ok, that's good
[04:41] <penguinboy> yes i have the windows drivers
[04:41] <kalenedrael> good
[04:42] <kalenedrael> hmm
[04:42] <penguinboy> so if it is presnt why can I not lsmod | grep ndiswrapper?
[04:42] <kalenedrael> ok, lsmod lists all the modules loaded
[04:42] <penguinboy> would rebooting help any
[04:43] <penguinboy> lsmod provides a listing
[04:43] <sbcl3> i just compiled kword and i get this error:
[04:43] <sbcl3> koffice (lib kofficecore): WARNING: libkformulalib.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:43] <kalenedrael> using the pipe (the | symbol) tells grep to search the output of lsmod for "ndiswrapper"
[04:43] <sbcl3> ?
[04:44] <penguinboy> correct and when i type just lsmod there is no ndiswrapper in the listing
[04:44] <sbcl3> i have kformula installed
[04:44] <kalenedrael> try "apt-get install kformula"
[04:44] <kalenedrael> penguinboy, yes
[04:44] <kalenedrael> oh
[04:44] <kalenedrael> hmm
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[04:44] <kalenedrael> locate libkformulalib
[04:44] <penguinboy> hey hey hey KK
[04:45] <sbcl3> meh; i'll just use the stable version
[04:45] <penguinboy> no libkformulalib in the listing
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[04:45] <kalenedrael> heh
[04:45] <sbcl3> i know
[04:45] <penguinboy> hey Ace
[04:45] <kalenedrael> penguinboy, try recompiling ndiswrapper
[04:45] <sbcl3> anyone here use xmms? i can't get  the repeat feature to work...i'm using an OSS output plugin
[04:46] <sbcl3> i'm sure i haev repeat on
[04:46] <kalenedrael> never used xmms
[04:46] <penguinboy> kalenedrael: do I type make deb?
[04:46] <kalenedrael> no, just make
[04:46] <kalenedrael> "make && make install" if you like
[04:47] <kalenedrael> actually, first, "make clean"
[04:47] <kalenedrael> then "make"
[04:47] <penguinboy> no targets specified and no makefile found. Stop
[04:47] <kalenedrael> odd...
[04:47] <kalenedrael> where are you in the ndiswrapper source directory?
[04:47] <penguinboy> DUH 
[04:47] <penguinboy> nio
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[04:48] <penguinboy> same messages
[04:48] <penguinboy> no makefile found
[04:48] <kalenedrael> hmm
[04:48] <penguinboy> no rule to ake target clean
[04:49] <kalenedrael> ok, there should be a file called "Makefile"
[04:49] <kalenedrael> did you download the ndiswrapper source or did you get it some other way
[04:49] <kalenedrael> ?
[04:49] <penguinboy> downloaded tarball
[04:49] <kalenedrael> ok
[04:50] <kalenedrael> yeah, go to the highest level directory in ndiswrapper
[04:50] <kalenedrael> should be "ndiswrapper-1.1" or whatever version you're using
[04:51] <penguinboy> this is the contents of the directory:  ndiswrapper-1.2.tar.gz...ndiswrapper-1.2...ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.10-5-386_1.2-1_i386.deb...ndiswrapper-utils_1.2-1_i386.deb
[04:51] <kalenedrael> type "cd ndiswrapper-1.2"
[04:51] <kalenedrael> then "make clean", "make", "make install"
[04:52] <penguinboy> there....and there is a makefile
[04:52] <kalenedrael> good,
[04:52] <penguinboy> okay i made clean
[04:52] <penguinboy> noe make && make install
[04:52] <penguinboy> ???
[04:52] <kalenedrael> sure
[04:52] <penguinboy> here we go!
[04:53] <kalenedrael> the "&&" means "do the second thing only if the first thing succeeds"
[04:53] <penguinboy> done
[04:53] <kalenedrael> good
[04:53] <kalenedrael> no errors?
[04:53] <penguinboy> none
[04:53] <kalenedrael> good
[04:53] <kalenedrael> now, ndiswrapper -l
[04:53] <kalenedrael> if it says the drivers are installed, try "modprobe ndiswrapper" again
[04:54] <penguinboy> installed ndis drivers: w70n51 driver present, haerdware present
[04:54] <penguinboy> shoot
[04:54] <penguinboy> wait
[04:55] <penguinboy> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[04:55] <kalenedrael> again? hmm
[04:57] <kalenedrael> again, are you SURE you're root?
[04:57] <Razor-X> is it normal for KDE to prompt me about settings when kdebase updates?
[04:57] <penguinboy> root@laptop:/home/penguinboy/ndiswrapper-1.2#
[04:57] <kalenedrael> hmm
[04:57] <kalenedrael> check the permissions of the file /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko
[04:58] <Razor-X> chmod 777 /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko
[04:58] <kalenedrael> yeah, i guess
[04:59] <penguinboy> no feedback
[04:59] <kalenedrael> yeah, that's normal
[04:59] <Razor-X> it shouldn't write anything to stdout, no worries
[04:59] <kalenedrael> try modprobe again
[05:00] <penguinboy> same message
[05:00] <penguinboy> sh-t
[05:00] <kalenedrael> try "depmod -ae"
[05:01] <kalenedrael> it should not return anything
[05:01] <penguinboy> depmode: command not found
[05:01] <kalenedrael> O.o
[05:01] <kalenedrael> what does "echo $PATH" return?
[05:02] <kalenedrael> (secondly, did you spell it properly?)
[05:02] <Razor-X> depmod, not depmode
[05:02] <Razor-X> (assuming you're copying and pasting here)
[05:03] <penguinboy> depmod -ae returned no feedback
[05:03] <kalenedrael> good, it shouldn't
[05:03] <kalenedrael> now try modprobe again
[05:04] <penguinboy> FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/misc/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[05:04] <kalenedrael> type "id -un" and see what it returns
[05:04] <kalenedrael> should be "root"
[05:04] <penguinboy> root
[05:04] <kalenedrael> very strange
[05:04] <sbcl3> is there one particular svn client?
[05:05] <sbcl3> or just a good one?
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[05:05] <Razor-X> have no clue, never used svn, sorry
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[05:06] <penguinboy> hey Ahmuck 
[05:06] <penguinboy> hey geneo93 
[05:06] <geneo93> what/
[05:07] <penguinboy> hey as in hello
[05:07] <geneo93> ohh
[05:07] <sbcl3> is CVS related to SVN?
[05:07] <geneo93> i was looking for away to share files with kubuntu that wont work here
[05:08] <Razor-X> sbcl3: cvs is just a system to quickly release changes to the source tree of a program
[05:09] <Razor-X> from what i'm googling...
[05:09] <sbcl3> anyone know a subversion client?
[05:09] <Razor-X> it seems SVN may be relate
[05:09] <Razor-X> *related
[05:09] <Razor-X> ahhhh, SVN is a CVS replacement
[05:11] <Razor-X> why not use the main client?
[05:11] <geneo93> not really up on svn but i have used it for some private apps
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[05:12] <sbcl3> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[05:12] <sbcl3> <body>./configure --prefix=$KDEDIR</body>
[05:12] <sbcl3> hmm
[05:12] <sbcl3> odd
[05:12] <sbcl3> ./configure --prefix=$KDEDIR
[05:12] <sbcl3> in that line, do i type it exactly like that
[05:13] <sbcl3> or do i change $KDEDIR?
[05:13] <Razor-X> change it to the real $KDEDIR
[05:13] <kalenedrael> yeah
[05:13] <sbcl3> what is it usually?
[05:13] <sbcl3> is it the directory i want to install it to?
[05:13] <Razor-X> not sure offhand, use a locate to find out
[05:13] <sbcl3> use a locate? how do i do that?
[05:14] <Razor-X> "locate kde" ;)
[05:14] <kalenedrael> ummm
[05:14] <kalenedrael> that may return a LOT of crap
[05:14] <sbcl3> yes
[05:14] <sbcl3> it is
[05:14] <Razor-X> I just pipe that in through more
[05:14] <Razor-X> and read exactly what I need
[05:14] <sbcl3> k...what do i need of all of this?
[05:14] <Razor-X> well, generally, it would be in /usr/lib/ or something
[05:15] <Razor-X> my BAD! ;)
[05:15] <Razor-X> most probably, what you're wanting is "/etc/kde"
[05:15] <sbcl3> razor: i'm using kubuntu
[05:15] <sbcl3> where is it?
[05:15] <Ahmuck> penguinboy: hi
[05:15] <Razor-X> yeah, i'm using Kubuntu also
[05:16] <penguinboy> hey hey ahmuck
[05:16] <Razor-X> brb, lemme restart KDE with my updates
[05:16] <sbcl3> razor: /etc/kde doesn't exist :/
[05:16] <kalenedrael> it may just be /usr
[05:16] <sbcl3> ah; kde3
[05:16] <sbcl3> is that what i want? /etc/kde3?
[05:17] <kalenedrael> what are you trying to compile?
[05:17] <sbcl3> kalzium
[05:17] <Razor-X> back
[05:17] <Razor-X> sbcl3: yeah, I think so
[05:17] <sbcl3> kalenedrael: its part of kdeedu
[05:18] <Razor-X> you want /etc/kde3
[05:18] <sbcl3> k thanks
[05:18] <Razor-X> errrr, i'm a bit groggy now, just woke up from an afternoon nap ;)
[05:18] <Razor-X> (making up for the normal 4 hours of sleep  I get)
[05:18] <Razor-X> anyone here use joe?
[05:19] <penguinboy> i'm gonna go and bang my head on a rock...see you all tomorrow!
[05:19] <Razor-X> (not that I do, it's a question and i'll explain if you use joe)
[05:19] <Razor-X> penguinboy: good lucj ;)
[05:19] <Razor-X> *luck
[05:19] <penguinboy> LOL
[05:19] <sbcl3> razor-x: i just did the configure, where was kalzium put?
[05:19] <sbcl3> was it put in /etc/kde3?
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[05:19] <Razor-X> sbcl3: doubt it
[05:20] <Razor-X> try "kalzium"
[05:20] <sbcl3> where are things from svn usually put?
[05:20] <sbcl3> razor: i didn't do a "make" yet
[05:20] <geneo93> prolly /usr/bin
[05:20] <Razor-X> sbcl3: then nothing happened
[05:20] <sbcl3> razorX: i did the configure, but where is kalzium?
[05:20] <Razor-X> the configure is read by the makefile for certain things
[05:21] <Razor-X> if you hit "make" it'll build in the current directory
[05:21] <Razor-X> *(not makefile) make
[05:21] <sbcl3> i went out of the directory and now i seemed to have lost it
[05:21] <sbcl3> i think i found it :)
[05:21] <Razor-X> make install puts it in its nice directory, I never liked make install though
[05:22] <Razor-X> much more convenient having the program sitting in a directory
[05:22] <Razor-X> so, if I wanna remove the program, out goes the directory
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[05:22] <geneo93> just hit the up arroes in console and it will take you back there
[05:22] <sbcl3> razor: will it matter if i have an older version of Kalzium?
[05:22] <sbcl3> (not through apt)
[05:22] <Razor-X> sbcl3: nope
[05:22] <kalenedrael> sometimes programs have a "make uninstall" target
[05:22] <Razor-X> kalenedrael: hmmm.. really?
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[05:23] <kalenedrael> sometimes, yes
[05:23] <Razor-X> ahhh well, i'll stick to skipping 'make install'
[05:23] <kalenedrael> yeah, i guess
[05:23] <sbcl3> watching the compilation in the terminal is quite fun :)
[05:23] <kalenedrael> i like "make install"
[05:23] <kalenedrael> i like "make clean"
[05:23] <Razor-X> sbcl3: after a few more compiles, you'll remedy that opinion ;)
[05:24] <kalenedrael> heh, i guess that's part of the reason some people like gentoo, they get to watch stuff scroll by for hours :P
[05:24] <Razor-X> kalenedrael: I like Gentoo portage
[05:24] <Razor-X> mmmmm, nice stuff
[05:24] <sbcl3> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/kalzium/src'
[05:24] <sbcl3> make[1] : *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[05:24] <sbcl3> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/kalzium/src'
[05:24] <sbcl3> make: *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[05:24] <Razor-X> the only package manager done better than aptitude, IMO
[05:24] <sbcl3> razor: this doesn't look good
[05:24] <Razor-X> sbcl3: hmmm....
[05:25] <sbcl3> perhaps it sees my current kalzium in the same directory?
[05:25] <Razor-X> wait... are you making this in the same directory as your old Kalzium?
[05:26] <sbcl3> yes
[05:26] <kalenedrael> oops
[05:26] <Razor-X> no, don't do that
[05:26] <sbcl3> razorx: how do i delete my current one?
[05:26] <kalenedrael> make clean
[05:26] <Razor-X> rm the directory
[05:26] <kalenedrael> ...or that
[05:26] <Razor-X> ;)
[05:27] <sbcl3> that looks a bit better
[05:27] <sbcl3> i hope this works...
[05:27] <sbcl3> quick question
[05:27] <kalenedrael> well, then you have to tar -xzf it again
[05:27] <sbcl3> how come its su -c "make install" and not sudo?
[05:27] <kalenedrael> su and sudo are different programs
[05:27] <sbcl3> kalenedrael: i have to start over?
[05:27] <kalenedrael> do you have sudo configured?
[05:27] <sbcl3> i can use both of them
[05:28] <sbcl3> so i guess its configured
[05:28] <sbcl3> its just that all the other root things had to be done with sudo
[05:28] <kalenedrael> if you do rm -rf <dir> you have to re-extract the source
[05:28] <kalenedrael> ok, well, then you can use sudo make install
[05:28] <kalenedrael> whichever you like
[05:28] <kalenedrael> sudo asks for your pw, su -c asks for the root pw
[05:29] <sbcl3> alright; what directory do i have to delete?
[05:29] <sbcl3> one in /usr/?
[05:30] <kalenedrael> wait
[05:30] <kalenedrael> you don't have to remove any dirs
[05:30] <kalenedrael> just go to the kalzium source directory and make clean
[05:30] <sbcl3> i'm confused.
[05:30] <sbcl3> i did
[05:30] <kalenedrael> ok, good
[05:30] <kalenedrael> then make
[05:30] <sbcl3> oh okay
[05:30] <sbcl3> i went right ahead to make install :(
[05:31] <kalenedrael> that should be fine too
[05:31] <sbcl3> mv: overwrite `.deps/kalzium.Po', overriding mode 0644?
[05:31] <sbcl3> what's this?
[05:31] <sbcl3> i guess i should just say yes
[05:31] <kalenedrael> yeah
[05:32] <sbcl3> weird
[05:32] <sbcl3> the same thing keeps coming back
[05:32] <kalenedrael> umm
[05:32] <sbcl3> (its not asking me for yes or know; its leaving me with a cursor though)
[05:32] <kalenedrael> hit ctrl-c
[05:32] <sbcl3> make[2] : *** [detailinfodlg.o]  Interrupt
[05:32] <sbcl3> make[1] : *** [all-recursive]  Interrupt
[05:32] <sbcl3> make: *** [all-recursive]  Interrupt
[05:33] <kalenedrael> yeah, that should be what happens
[05:33] <kalenedrael> start over
[05:33] <sbcl3> now what?
[05:33] <kalenedrael> make clean, make distclean, ./configure
[05:33] <sbcl3> k
[05:33] <sbcl3> ./configure in that directory?
[05:33] <kalenedrael> yeah
[05:34] <sbcl3> well, i guess not; it was in the root directory
[05:34] <kalenedrael> why can't you just apt-get install kalzium?
[05:34] <sbcl3> i want the bleeding edge ;)
[05:34] <kalenedrael> oh
[05:34] <sbcl3> i'm a bit of a chem ner
[05:34] <sbcl3> *nerd
[05:34] <kalenedrael> heh
[05:34] <sbcl3> after ./configure just make and then make install?
[05:34] <kalenedrael> yeah, i have like five chem programs installed...
[05:34] <kalenedrael> yeah
[05:36] <sbcl3> i used to use gnome...i thought gperiodic was good until i saw kalzium...
[05:36] <sbcl3> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/kalzium/src'
[05:36] <sbcl3> make[1] : *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[05:36] <sbcl3> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/kalzium/src'
[05:36] <sbcl3> make: *** [all-recursive]  Error 1
[05:36] <sbcl3> grrr...
[05:37] <kalenedrael> what's the crap before it?
[05:37] <sbcl3> make[2] : *** No rule to make target `../../libkdeedu/kdeeduplot/libkdeeduplot.la', needed by `kalzium'.  Stop.
[05:37] <kalenedrael> (a couple lines only, please)
[05:37] <kalenedrael> before that
[05:37] <kalenedrael> is there a bunch of errors?
[05:37] <sbcl3> no
[05:37] <kalenedrael> odd
[05:38] <sbcl3> i should delete kalzium and start over
[05:38] <sbcl3> hmm; i don't know how to do that
[05:38] <sbcl3> http://edu.kde.org/kalzium/obtain.php
[05:38] <sbcl3> i'm going to start over
[05:39] <kalenedrael> paste like the last 50 lines in #flood or on  http://rafb.net/paste/
[05:40] <sbcl3> oh; i started all over
[05:40] <sbcl3> if i get errors i'll tell you
[05:40] <kalenedrael> ok
[05:43] <sbcl3> i missed a line in that tutorial; that might of been it
[05:43] <sbcl3> "cd libkdeedu" "make" ;)
[05:45] <sbcl3> this time:
[05:45] <sbcl3> make[3] : Leaving directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/kalzium/src'
[05:45] <sbcl3> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/kalzium/src'
[05:45] <sbcl3> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/kalzium/src'
[05:45] <sbcl3> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/kalzium'
[05:45] <sbcl3> make[2] : Entering directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/kalzium'
[05:45] <sbcl3> make[2] : Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
[05:45] <sbcl3> make[2] : Nothing to be done for `install-data-am'.
[05:45] <sbcl3> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/kalzium'
[05:45] <sbcl3> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/kalzium'
[05:45] <sbcl3> is there anything wrong?
[05:45] <kalenedrael> nopw
[05:45] <kalenedrael> nope*
[05:45] <kalenedrael> that's correct
[05:45] <sbcl3> odd; kalzium works, but its still the same version
[05:45] <sbcl3> maybe i had the highest version after all :/
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[05:47] <sbcl3> oh wait
[05:47] <sbcl3> this time i didn't do a make clean or a make distclean :/
[05:47] <sbcl3> perhaps i need to do those
[05:47] <sbcl3> and, to add to that, i may have libkdeedu in apt
[05:47] <sbcl3> but i don't remember errors
[05:47] <sbcl3> should i uninstall my one in apt?
[05:47] <kalenedrael> no
[05:48] <sbcl3> really?
[05:48] <sbcl3> k...
[05:48] <kalenedrael> actually
[05:48] <kalenedrael> hold on, i don't think i am a reliable source of information about this in particular
[05:49] <kalenedrael> i've installed over packages, but 1) i don't know if that works properly and 2) i don't know if that is good
[05:49] <sbcl3> i think an uninstall wouldn't hurt
[05:50] <sbcl3> i'll try it; as well as make clean
[05:51] <kalenedrael> wait
[05:51] <kalenedrael> don't make clean before you make install
[05:52] <sbcl3> heres my current steps:
[05:52] <sbcl3> "make -f Makefile.cvs"
[05:52] <sbcl3> "./configure --prefix=/etc/kde3"
[05:52] <sbcl3> "cd libkdeedu"
[05:52] <sbcl3> "make"
[05:52] <sbcl3> "cd .."
[05:52] <sbcl3> "cd kalzium"
[05:52] <sbcl3> "make"
[05:53] <sbcl3> "su -c "make install""
[05:53] <sbcl3> thats it
[05:53] <sbcl3> where does "make clean" go?
[05:54] <sbcl3> hey look
[05:54] <sbcl3> Warning: you chose to install this package in /etc/kde3,
[05:54] <sbcl3> but KDE was found in /usr.
[05:54] <kalenedrael> do that in your kalzium source dir
[05:54] <kalenedrael> umm.....
[05:54] <Bicchi> Why when i load some applications i get the application listed on the taskbar but it never loads up. Like it shows up there as if it was going to load but never does and ends up closing with no given error. I get this for firefox, synaptic and kate.
[05:54] <sbcl3> that can't be good
[05:54] <kalenedrael> blame Razor-X
[05:54] <sbcl3> kalenedrael: where's kde kept in /usr?
[05:54] <kalenedrael> everywhere
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[05:55] <kalenedrael> seriously, there are files in /usr/lib, /usr/include, etc, etc
[05:55] <sbcl3> maybe i don't have to do it :)
[05:55] <sbcl3> no errors this time :)
[05:56] <sbcl3> kalenedrael: where do i do a "make clean"?
[05:56] <sbcl3> right after i go into the kalzium directory?
[05:56] <kalenedrael> you do "make clean" in the kalzium source directory
[05:57] <sbcl3> okay
[05:57] <sbcl3> and then do make install?
[05:57] <kalenedrael> noooooooooo
[05:57] <sbcl3> make?
[05:57] <kalenedrael> have you done make already?
[05:58] <sbcl3> only in libkdeedu
[05:58] <kalenedrael> ok
[05:58] <kalenedrael> are yuo building all of kdeedu, or only kalzium?
[05:59] <sbcl3> only kalzium
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[06:00] <kalenedrael> ok
[06:00] <kalenedrael> ok, well, i have no idea what you did with libekdeedu
[06:00] <sbcl3> so i do "make clean" "make" "make install"
[06:00] <sbcl3> kal: just a make
[06:00] <kalenedrael> oh
[06:00] <kalenedrael> umm
[06:01] <kalenedrael> well, you should change the install directory
[06:01] <sbcl3> yeah
[06:01] <sbcl3> "cd kalzium"
[06:01] <sbcl3> oh; wait; no
[06:01] <sbcl3> what do you mean?
[06:01] <kalenedrael> usually, individually compiled binaries are installed in /usr/local/bin, and the libs in /usr/local/lib, etc
[06:01] <kalenedrael> you should have run "./configure --prefix=/usr/local"
[06:01] <sbcl3> i just ran ./configure
[06:02] <kalenedrael> or /usr, if you like
[06:02] <kalenedrael> yeah, that's fine, i think
[06:02] <sbcl3> okay
[06:02] <sbcl3> and then i went and made libkdeedu
[06:02] <sbcl3> and now i need to make and install kalzium
[06:02] <kalenedrael> ok
[06:02] <kalenedrael> ok, so you did ./configure again for kalzium and the directory should be correct this time?
[06:03] <sbcl3> there is no ./configure in the kalzium directory.
[06:03] <sbcl3> just the /kdeedu one
[06:03] <kalenedrael> hmm
[06:04] <kalenedrael> ok, then go to the kdeedu directory
[06:04] <sbcl3> k
[06:04] <kalenedrael> then make install
[06:04] <kalenedrael> that should do it
[06:04] <kalenedrael> you already did make, right?
[06:05] <sbcl3> wait; i don't want to install all of kdeedu
[06:05] <sbcl3> i didn't do make
[06:05] <kalenedrael> hmm
[06:05] <kalenedrael> hmmm
[06:05] <kalenedrael> umm
[06:05] <sbcl3> i configured and made libkdeedu
[06:05] <sbcl3> thats it
[06:06] <kalenedrael> libkdeedu sounds like the whole thing, not just kalzium
[06:06] <sbcl3> but kalzium needs it
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[06:06] <kalenedrael> ok, just cd to the kalzium directory and make install... if that doesn't work then you may have to install all of kdeedu
[06:06] <kalenedrael> you know what the old version of kalzium is, right?
[06:08] <kalenedrael> after "make install" in the kalzium directory, type "kalzium --version" and see if it is the new one
[06:08] <sbcl3> okay...
[06:13] <kalenedrael> i'm going to sleep... i really need it today
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[06:15] <sbcl3> oh great...now kalzium is messed up.
[06:15] <sbcl3> kalzium: error while loading shared libraries: libkdeeduplot.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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[06:16] <aseigo> sbcl3: cd into kdeedu/libkdeedu and make && make install in there
[06:20] <sbcl3> okay
[06:20] <sbcl3> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/libkdeedu/kdeeduplot'
[06:20] <sbcl3> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/libkdeedu/kdeeduplot'
[06:20] <sbcl3> Making all in extdate
[06:21] <sbcl3> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/libkdeedu/extdate'
[06:21] <sbcl3> make[1] : Nothing to be done for `all'.
[06:21] <sbcl3> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/libkdeedu/extdate'
[06:21] <sbcl3> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/libkdeedu'
[06:21] <sbcl3> make[1] : Nothing to be done for `all-am'.
[06:21] <sbcl3> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/libkdeedu'
[06:21] <sbcl3> do i need to run ./configure again?
[06:21] <kalenedrael> no
[06:21] <kalenedrael> is that the entire output?
[06:21] <kalenedrael> (heh, i lied when i said i was going to sleep)
[06:21] <kalenedrael> (i really will be going to sleep soon though)
[06:22] <monchy> if your on a CRT throw your refresh rate to 60hz, that'll make you sleepy :p
[06:22] <sbcl3> i got a permission denied somewhere
[06:22] <kalenedrael> :P monchy
[06:22] <kalenedrael> i have an lcd
[06:22] <kalenedrael> i am very sleepy
[06:22] <monchy> we can trade monitors then ;)
[06:23] <kalenedrael> not unless you can get the screen off this laptop without fuxing it
[06:23] <monchy> doh
[06:23] <sbcl3> kal: did a make clean
[06:23] <kalenedrael> i want a nice 21 inch lcd
[06:23] <sbcl3> now it'll go
[06:23] <kalenedrael> ok
[06:23] <kalenedrael> well, compilation should take a while
[06:24] <kalenedrael> if it is suspiciously fast, then something is going on so that compilation is not occurring
[06:24] <monchy> if i had the money, i'd get one of those apple cinema monitors you know
[06:24] <aseigo> sbcl3: did you make install as well?
[06:24] <sbcl3> now i am
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[06:25] <sbcl3> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/libkdeedu/extdate'
[06:25] <sbcl3> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/libkdeedu/extdate'
[06:25] <sbcl3> make[1] : Entering directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/libkdeedu'
[06:25] <sbcl3> make[2] : Entering directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/libkdeedu'
[06:25] <kalenedrael> time to really sleep
[06:25] <sbcl3> make[2] : Nothing to be done for `install-exec-am'.
[06:25] <sbcl3> make[2] : Nothing to be done for `install-data-am'.
[06:25] <sbcl3> make[2] : Leaving directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/libkdeedu'
[06:25] <sbcl3> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/sbcl3/kdeedu/libkdeedu'
[06:25] <sbcl3> doesn't look too bad...
[06:25] <sbcl3> kal: you'll never believe this
[06:25] <kalenedrael> what?
[06:25] <sbcl3> kalzium works now; i had the right version all along >_<
[06:25] <kalenedrael> agh
[06:25] <sbcl3> he just didn't update the help -> about kalzium :( :( :( :(
[06:25] <kalenedrael> x_x
[06:26] <kalenedrael> gah, silly developer
[06:26] <sbcl3> well, that's that
[06:27] <kalenedrael> well, that's somewhat good news, i guess
[06:27] <sbcl3> *sigh*
[06:27] <monchy> kalenedrael i've got something that will help you sleep
[06:27] <kalenedrael> great
[06:28] <monchy> http://www.addictinggames.com/mahjongg.html play on the ninja difficulty
[06:28] <kalenedrael> heh
[06:29] <sbcl3> wtf...some of it looks like its in german
[06:29] <sbcl3> "van der waals radius"
[06:29] <sbcl3> is that a chemical term?
[06:29] <monchy> oO
[06:33] <aseigo> sladen: yes
[06:34] <aseigo> sladen: van der waals was the scientist. and i believe he was dutch.
[06:34] <aseigo> yep.. http://nobelprize.org/physics/laureates/1910/waals-bio.html
[06:34] <sbcl3> okay
[06:34] <sbcl3> good
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[06:34] <sbcl3> its 12 am here i'm real tired
[06:34] <sbcl3> actually; i'm in a channel with a bunch of hackers; that sounded lame
[06:34] <aseigo> lol
[06:35] <TrueChaos|Laptop> anyone know how to add timestamps to xchat?
[06:35] <sbcl3> xchat? in #kubuntu? odd
[06:36] <TrueChaos|Laptop> heh, its late and im tired
[06:36] <TrueChaos|Laptop> :P
[06:36] <aseigo> TrueChaos|Laptop: yep. first you start konversation or ksirc ... go to the Settings -> Configure $APPNAME entry and turn on timestamps ... ;) seriously though, i'm sure it's the same in xchat
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[06:37] <Bicchi> Why when i load some applications i get the application listed on the taskbar but it never loads up. Like it shows up there as if it was going to load but never does and ends up closing with no given error. I get this problem with firefox, synaptic and kate and it not allways happens.
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[06:38] <TrueChaos|Laptop> in my idiocy, i missted the checkbox titled "Enable timestamps".  Someone shoot me.
[06:39] <aseigo> Bicchi: hard to say. in those cases it's best to run the command from a konsole where you'll usually see some error output
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[06:39] <aseigo> Bicchi: the launch feedback just knows that it's starting. doesn't know anything about whether it will succeed ;)
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[06:39] <TrueChaos|Lap> thanks
[06:39] <aseigo> that's what i'm here for.
[06:40] <Bicchi> aseigo: its just weird, thatt it would work sometimes and other don't
[06:40] <aseigo> Bicchi: indeed
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[06:41] <TrueChaos|Lap> weeeeeee
[06:41] <aseigo> that was a long time between getting shot and dieing
[06:41] <TrueChaos|Lap> i had to blead out, that can take some time
[06:41] <TrueChaos|Lap> your aim sucks, no headshot for you.
[06:41] <monchy> lol
[06:42] <aseigo> well, i do prefer the slow agonizing deaths. more fun for me
[06:42] <aseigo> and on THAT note.. i saw Sin City last night
[06:42] <aseigo> what a grea tmovie
[06:42] <monchy> can't wait for the sequel
[06:43] <TrueChaos|Lap> thers gonna be a sin city sequel?
[06:43] <monchy> yes, being written
[06:44] <TrueChaos|Lap> yay
[06:46] <aseigo> as long as they get the same people to do the filming, editting and postproduction
[06:46] <aseigo> because that's what made the film
[06:46] <sbcl3> what's the smallest thing i need to compile java
[06:46] <aseigo> oh, and stick to the graphic novel format/styling like they did
[06:46] <sbcl3> specifically, turn .java files into .class files
[06:46] <aseigo> sbcl3: a brain.
[06:46] <aseigo> haha
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[06:46] <sbcl3> or just read .java files, if thats possible
[06:46] <aseigo> you need a jvm
[06:46] <sbcl3> okay
[06:46] <aseigo> and if you want to compile things yourself, you need a jdk
[06:47] <sbcl3> will gcj work?
[06:47] <sbcl3> what is the name of the jvm you'd recommend?
[06:48] <sbcl3> can it be done with gcj?
[06:49] <Elsidox> is anyone eles having  problems with the kubuntu user guide thing?
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[06:50] <Elsidox> i tryed adding stuff to my soure list but it didnt work I kept getting errors. So i just added the ones from the ubuntu user guide.
[06:50] <monchy> filming is scheduled to start in january for sin city 2 :)
[06:50] <sbcl3> *sigh*
[06:51] <sbcl3> i'll have to figure this out myself
[06:51] <sbcl3> no one knows how to compile a .java file?
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[06:52] <Elsidox> sbcl3: u need the jde installed than use the jde to compile it
[06:52] <Elsidox> sbcl3: java dev enviorment i think
[06:52] <sbcl3> okay
[06:52] <sbcl3> isn't that for emacs though?
[06:53] <Elsidox> huh
[06:53] <Elsidox> this has noting to do with emacs
[06:53] <sbcl3> well thats what kynaptic says
[06:53] <sbcl3> its just called "jde", right?
[06:53] <Elsidox> no u have to go to suns site and install it as far as i know
[06:54] <sbcl3> k
[06:54] <sbcl3> i'll try and uninstall all the stuff through apt
[06:54] <sbcl3> can someone recommend an IDE?
[06:55] <sbcl3> i think theres jbuilder
[06:55] <sbcl3> or something
[06:55] <aseigo> eclipse or kdevelop
[06:55] <aseigo> if you're into java, eclipse is probably the better choice since it was pretty much written for java dev =)
[06:55] <sbcl3> okay
[06:55] <Bicchi> eclipse rocks
[06:56] <aseigo> thought kdevelop does have support for Java projects.. i just haven't ever used it myself =)
[06:56] <sbcl3> does it come with everything needed to compile?
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[06:56] <Bicchi> yes, and yes
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[06:56] <TrueChaos|Lap> how hard is it to get a java environment up and running?
[06:56] <sbcl3> i need to know how to compile java though :(
[06:56] <Bicchi> does java and if you download the cdt tool you can program in c/c++
[06:56] <aseigo> sbcl3: that's the point of using an IDE, isn't it? ;) F8
[06:56] <Bicchi> better than kdevelop
[06:56] <Bicchi> i have used it for over 2 years now
[06:56] <TrueChaos|Lap> sbcl3, get an IDE, much easier
[06:57] <TrueChaos|Lap> jcreator,  not sure if it has a *nix version tho
[06:57] <Bicchi> eclipse is an IDE so is kdevelop
[06:57] <Bicchi> jcreator does not run in linux
[06:57] <sbcl3> but what package is required to actually compile it? will eclipse come with it?
[06:57] <Bicchi> just download eclipse and it runs. no package
[06:57] <sbcl3> okay
[06:58] <sbcl3> will it compile individual files?
[06:58] <Bicchi> you need to have java installed
[06:58] <sbcl3> how do i do that?
[06:58] <Bicchi> the jre and jdk if you plan to program in java
[06:58] <sbcl3> okay
[06:58] <sbcl3> through apt?
[06:58] <aseigo> god damn kpdf is nice
[06:58] <Bicchi> r u using 386 or 64 bit
[06:58] <sbcl3> no
[06:58] <sbcl3> not through apt :(\
[06:59] <Bicchi> sbcl13: read the FAQ
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[06:59] <sbcl3> which FAQ?
[06:59] <Bicchi> sbcl3: ubuntu faq
[06:59] <sbcl3> is eclipse programmed in qt?
[06:59] <aseigo> i find it annoying to nearl no end that the two big non-C/C++ langs in the open source world are both encumbered with various bits of crap
[06:59] <aseigo> sbcl3: no. java.
[06:59] <sbcl3> i mean will it look nice in KDE?
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[07:00] <aseigo> sbcl3: it'll look like a java app =)
[07:00] <TrueChaos|Lap> anyone know any good IDE's for java?
[07:00] <sbcl3> eclipse
[07:00] <Bicchi> sbcl3: eclipse is not part of kde, it runs on any platform since its java based.
[07:00] <aseigo> TrueChaos|Lap: eclipse or kdevelop
[07:00] <TrueChaos|Lap> cause my school refuses to teach a useful programing language
[07:01] <aseigo> TrueChaos|Lap: what do they teach?
[07:01] <TrueChaos|Lap> java.
[07:01] <TrueChaos|Lap> :(
[07:01] <aseigo> ah.
[07:01] <aseigo> well, for learning it's ok.
[07:01] <TrueChaos|Lap> its easy
[07:01] <sbcl3> truechaos: mine too!
[07:01] <sbcl3> thats why i'm getting java
[07:01] <TrueChaos|Lap> sbcl3, highschool?
[07:01] <sbcl3> yes
[07:01] <aseigo> hopefully they started you off with something lower on the register than OOP though
[07:01] <sbcl3> i want to test out of it
[07:01] <TrueChaos|Lap> aseigo, nope.
[07:01] <TrueChaos|Lap> well, HTML, then java.
[07:01] <TrueChaos|Lap> :S
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[07:01] <sbcl3> can kdevelop do what eclipse can?
[07:01] <sbcl3> i only need to compile individual files!
[07:01] <Bicchi> sbcl3: like i said get the jre and the jdk installed. check out the guide: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[07:02] <TrueChaos|Lap> aseigo, id agree, but im not going into programming... engineering FTW!
[07:02] <Bicchi> sbcl3: is you are going to be using java download eclipse and do not waste time with kdevelop
[07:02] <aseigo> TrueChaos|Lap: what are you going into?
[07:03] <sbcl3> i don't see it anywhere
[07:03] <sbcl3> what page is it on?
[07:03] <TrueChaos|Lap> some form of engineering, at this point what type is undecided, except that im staying out of computer engineering
[07:03] <sbcl3> bicchi: i have kdevelop though
[07:03] <sbcl3> and use it for other stuff
[07:03] <TrueChaos|Lap> quite possibly aerospace, or mechanical.
[07:03] <Bicchi> sbcl3: just search the freaking thing, CTRL-F  "java"
[07:03] <aseigo> TrueChaos|Lap: cool
[07:04] <TrueChaos|Lap> yeah, i cant wait for uni.
[07:04] <jeramy> Anyone know if there's qt bindings for ruby in Kubuntu?
[07:04] <sbcl3> bicchi: returns nothing.
[07:04] <TrueChaos|Lap> Bicchi, how is eclipse for handling things like projects, and multiple file compiles?
[07:06] <Bicchi> TrueChaos|Lap: a project is consired a c/c++ or a java project. its quite good and easy to configure and use. takes a long time to load an uses a lot of system resources. but for school its the best. comes with a debuger and kdevelop does not. i mean an integrated debuger just like in visual studio. i have used it for quite sometime even to develop QT applications in linux using c++
[07:07] <TrueChaos|Lap> Bicchi, is it somewhat like jcreator?  if youve even used that...
[07:07] <sbcl3> what repository can i get "sun-j2re-1.5" from?
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[07:07] <Bicchi> TrueChaos|Lap: once i started using eclipse i trashed jcreator. it S U C K S
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[07:08] <TrueChaos|Lap> heh
[07:08] <Bicchi> TrueChaos|Lap: and i really like jcreator since its fast for a quick compile and run. but for a hard to do project i stick with eclipse. i almost ready to get my computer science degree and all my coding was done using eclipse even the c++ code
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[07:08] <TrueChaos|Lap> interesting
[07:09] <TrueChaos|Lap> does eclipse have a nice interface, easy to use?
[07:09] <Bicchi> you can even do web programming like php and jsp
[07:09] <Bicchi> really nice
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[07:09] <TrueChaos|Lap> just by selecting the type of file your making, right?
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[07:09] <Bicchi> dude just download the thing. its only a few MBs
[07:09] <sbcl3> 95, actually
[07:09] <Bicchi> there is not installation required so you can just erase the folder. yeah 95
[07:09] <anti-penguinboy> lol
[07:09] <anti-penguinboy> just a few
[07:10] <sbcl3> what repository can you get java runtime environment from?
[07:10] <Bicchi> sorry i am on fast dsl computer to me its only a 3 minutes download
[07:10] <sbcl3> i happened to pick a very slow mirror :(
[07:10] <anti-penguinboy> i got 100 mb/s up and down :P
[07:10] <TrueChaos|Lap> luckey fast bastards
[07:10] <TrueChaos|Lap> :P
[07:10] <anti-penguinboy> lol
[07:11] <TrueChaos|Lap> Bicchi, theres no install for eclipse?
[07:11] <Bicchi> no
[07:11] <TrueChaos|Lap> o.O
[07:11] <sbcl3> is there a repository for j2se?
[07:11] <sbcl3> there has to be somewhere :/
[07:11] <sbcl3> http://ubuntuguide.org/#jre
[07:12] <TrueChaos|Lap> Bicchi, how do i put the java development tools into it?
[07:12] <Bicchi> sbcl3: if you are new to ubuntu i advice you to get to know it first before you install java. java can be a little tricky to install
[07:12] <Bicchi> TrueChaos|Lap: what do you mean, you must have jdk and jre allready installed.
[07:12] <TrueChaos|Lap> how bout new to *nix, and going to need to have java installed by september for school, in my case anyway :P
[07:13] <Bicchi> TrueChaos|Lap: so you do not want to use windows?
[07:14] <TrueChaos|Lap> i want to use linux, ive got windows on my desktop, wanted to try something new
[07:14] <Bicchi> TrueChaos|Lap: but do you know how to program in java at all?
[07:14] <TrueChaos|Lap> Bicchi, yes
[07:14] <Bicchi> how you used it on windows?
[07:14] <Bicchi> have you used it on windows?
[07:14] <TrueChaos|Lap> yes
[07:14] <Bicchi> so its the same.
[07:14] <TrueChaos|Lap> installed the jdk and jre, and loaded the ide
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[07:15] <Bicchi> you need to have jdk installed if you want to run the compiler: javac              and the vm runner: java 
[07:15] <Bicchi> so first download the jdk
[07:16] <sbcl3> okay; i got the right repository :)
[07:16] <sbcl3> do i want j2sdk too?
[07:16] <Bicchi> are you going to be writing programs in java?
[07:16] <sbcl3> yes
[07:16] <Bicchi> then yes
[07:17] <sbcl3> as well as j2re1.5
[07:17] <sbcl3> okay
[07:17] <sbcl3> those are the only two packages, right?
[07:17] <Bicchi> j2sdk   =      java 2 software development kit
[07:17] <sbcl3> okay
[07:17] <Bicchi> yeap
[07:18] <sbcl3> what is j2sdk though? is it sun's IDE?
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[07:18] <Bicchi> i am not sure if it will configure the stuff automatically. i had to do it manually since i downloaded it directly from sun
[07:18] <Bicchi> j2sdk   =      java 2 software development kit
[07:18] <TrueChaos|Lap> source developement kit
[07:18] <TrueChaos|Lap> er software
[07:19] <sbcl3> okay
[07:19] <Bicchi> sun has an ide, i forgot its name. 
[07:19] <TrueChaos|Lap> netbeans or something
[07:19] <Bicchi> yes
[07:19] <sbcl3> will sun eventually go all opensource?
[07:19] <Bicchi> sucks also
[07:19] <Bicchi> nope
[07:19] <Bicchi> and java is not open source even thought they publish the code
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[07:19] <sbcl3> you mean its not GPLed, right?
[07:19] <Bicchi> i mean java from sun microsystems
[07:19] <Bicchi> right
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[07:20] <TrueChaos|Lap> im downloading the JDK and eclipse right now, anything else i need to be gettin?
[07:20] <sbcl3> you need j2re
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[07:20] <sbcl3> you can get it from apt by adding this to your sources.list:
[07:20] <sbcl3> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[07:21] <Bicchi> nope, install java first and do not mess with eclipse until java is functional. i mean that you can compile and run from the terminal
[07:21] <sbcl3> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
[07:21] <sbcl3> <head>
[07:21] <sbcl3> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[07:21] <sbcl3> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />
[07:21] <sbcl3> </head>
[07:21] <sbcl3> <body>
[07:21] <sbcl3> <pre>
[07:21] <sbcl3> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[07:21] <sbcl3> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted</pre></body>
[07:21] <sbcl3> </html>
[07:21] <sbcl3> crap
[07:21] <sbcl3> sorry about that flood..had no idea that would happen
[07:21] <sbcl3> bicchi: just see two of those lines ^_^
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[07:22] <TrueChaos|Lap> where is my sources.list??  im a complete, and i mean complete nub to linux
[07:22] <quam> /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:22] <sbcl3> and you can really only open it from terminal because its roots
[07:22] <sbcl3> "sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list"
[07:22] <sbcl3> followed by your password
[07:23] <anti-penguinboy> nano is better :P
[07:23] <anti-penguinboy> or the xfce mouspad
[07:23] <anti-penguinboy> mousepad*
[07:23] <TrueChaos|Lap> or il just download it from their website
[07:23] <TrueChaos|Lap> much easier
[07:24] <sbcl3> i doubt it
[07:24] <Bicchi> ATTENTION: all java people tonight. make sure java is working before running eclipse otherwise eclipse is going to give you errors. REPEAT: make sure you can compile and run a java program from the terminal.
[07:24] <sbcl3> what will the command be in the terminal?
[07:24] <sbcl3> (to turn a .java into a .class)
[07:24] <Bicchi> javac helloworld.java            then                     java helloworld
[07:24] <Bicchi> javac compiles
[07:24] <sbcl3> okay
[07:24] <Bicchi> or creates a .class
[07:24] <Bicchi> bytecode
[07:25] <quam> there a way to edit the menus in kde?
[07:25] <TrueChaos|Lap> Bicchi, does eclipse organize your files well?
[07:25] <sbcl3> quam: which menus?
[07:26] <quam> the applications on the k menu and such. ive been switching back and forth between kubuntu and ubuntu, or kde and gnome rather, and i'd like to remove some of the gtk programs from the lists
[07:26] <sbcl3> quam: mouse over the k menu
[07:26] <sbcl3> right click.
[07:26] <sbcl3> menu editor
[07:26] <quam> oh :P
[07:26] <quam> i feel sheepish
[07:26] <sbcl3> nah
[07:26] <Bicchi> TrueChaos|Lap: you create projects. what i did for my clases was the following maybe this can help. if my class was name COP-1234  and i was doing project 1, i would create a project in eclipse with a name COP-1234,Project1  and all the files that belong to that class/project1 will be in there.
[07:27] <sbcl3> quam: any other menus?
[07:27] <sbcl3> just about everything in kde can be configured
[07:27] <quam> no, that's good :P i was looking in the control center :p
[07:27] <sbcl3> k
[07:27] <sbcl3> and to configure panels right click on them
[07:27] <quam> much obliged
[07:28] <Bicchi> TrueChaos|Lap: unlike jcreator in eclipse you need to have a project in order to compile and run a java program. no big deal since in college you will be creating projects all the time. i have done about 30 so far and that java alone. 
[07:29] <TrueChaos|Lap> yeah
[07:29] <TrueChaos|Lap> but where does eclipse make the projects folder?
[07:29] <Bicchi> yes
[07:30] <Bicchi> look in the folder workspace. and there you will find all your projects
[07:31] <TrueChaos|Lap> perfect
[07:31] <TrueChaos|Lap> good file management
[07:31] <TrueChaos|Lap> thats all i care about :P
[07:32] <sbcl3> if eclipse was good, wouldn't they allow you to choose where your project folders went?
[07:32] <sbcl3> or does he mean by default?
[07:32] <TrueChaos|Lap> i mean by default
[07:32] <TrueChaos|Lap> and the fact that it is structured
[07:33] <Bicchi> sbcl3: you can choose but the default is good
[07:33] <Bicchi> when ever you run a program for the first time do not mess with its default. until you know how to use it. 
[07:35] <Bicchi> worry about installing java then eclipse. i do not get why the obsession with eclipse when you haven't even gotten java installed.
[07:35] <Bicchi> you still need java even if you do not use eclipse
[07:36] <TrueChaos|Lap> because having a good ide is what im worried about
[07:36] <Bicchi> and what did i just tell you its the best. your other choice would be vi.
[07:37] <Bicchi> actually i am joking there, there r others
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[07:37] <Bicchi> but nothing compares to it. actually eclipse has been voted as one of the best project ever made for the last few years.
[07:38] <sbcl3> what are the others?
[07:38] <sbcl3> is kdevelop on the list?
[07:38] <Bicchi> kwrite, kate, vi, emacs. search google. come on
[07:38] <Bicchi> not sure about kdevelop i think you can configure it to use it.
[07:38] <Bicchi> but would not get much functionality
[07:38] <Bicchi> compare to eclispe
[07:39] <sbcl3> even for cpp/qt projects?
[07:40] <Bicchi> well, for a project that takes a lot of resources using eclipse might be challenging. since eclipse is a big a application. 
[07:40] <Bicchi> but learn to use eclipse for java first then worry about c++ since to use c++ in eclipse you need to download a few other things called plugings.
[07:41] <Bicchi> take one step at a time.
[07:43] <TrueChaos|Lap> any idea on how to get the fn keys working on my keyboard?  tis a dell keyboard, id kinda like the fn keys to work :P
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[07:46] <TrueChaos|Lap> im guessing thats a no
[07:46] <TrueChaos|Lap> :P
[07:48] <TrueChaos|Lap> which do i install first, the jdk, then the jre
[07:48] <TrueChaos|Lap> ?
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[07:49] <Bicchi> does not matter
[07:49] <TrueChaos|Lap> seems easy to install, so far
[07:50] <TrueChaos|Lap> just run the file from a terminal
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[07:51] <TrueChaos|Lap> gogogogo jre time
[07:52] <TrueChaos|Lap> ok
[07:52] <TrueChaos|Lap> Bicchi, both of those are installed, how do i test that its working?
[07:52] <Bicchi> just like in windows
[07:52] <TrueChaos|Lap> which would be...
[07:52] <TrueChaos|Lap> :P
[07:52] <Bicchi> you said you allready new java
[07:53] <Bicchi> knew
[07:53] <TrueChaos|Lap> never did java from command prompt. just used an ide.
[07:53] <Bicchi> oh ok
[07:53] <Bicchi> do a helloworld.java program or whatever
[07:53] <TrueChaos|Lap> the ide had a run button.  :D
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[07:53] <TrueChaos|Lap> how, whats the exact command...
[07:53] <Bicchi> actually type java --version
[07:53] <Bicchi> that would do easy
[07:54] <TrueChaos|Lap> command not found
[07:54] <TrueChaos|Lap> :S
[07:54] <Bicchi> did you install java from sun or repository
[07:55] <TrueChaos|Lap> sun
[07:55] <Bicchi> you did not follow the instructions from sun by reading the installation instructions. go back and read them becose you need to create a few symbolic links
[07:55] <Bicchi> read the website
[08:00] <TrueChaos|Lap> wait so where would be a good place to install java?
[08:01] <TrueChaos|Lap> i did the self extracting binary
[08:01] <TrueChaos|Lap> and i did what it said.
[08:01] <Bicchi> did you read the instructions
[08:02] <Bicchi> i have mine in /usr/bin/java/
[08:02] <TrueChaos|Lap> i installed mine to the /home/cameron :P
[08:03] <anti-penguinboy> OMG I KNOW YOUR NAME!!!
[08:03] <TrueChaos|Lap> i read the instructions, they just say to do chmod +x and run it
[08:05] <TrueChaos|Lap> aside from that, i dont know what else to do
[08:05] <anti-penguinboy> install kubuntu
[08:05] <anti-penguinboy> you forgote that step
[08:06] <TrueChaos|Lap> im using kubuntu.
[08:06] <Bicchi> he is messing with you any linux distro will do
[08:06] <TrueChaos|Lap> i know
[08:07] <TrueChaos|Lap> but there are no special instructions about symbolic links
[08:07] <TrueChaos|Lap> :S
[08:07] <Bicchi> thats weird. actually did you install it using root.
[08:07] <TrueChaos|Lap> ..no
[08:07] <TrueChaos|Lap> :P
[08:07] <Bicchi> i think the instructions called for that
[08:08] <Bicchi> r u using 64 bit or 32
[08:08] <TrueChaos|Lap> 32
[08:08] <anti-penguinboy> i'm lighting this channel up :P we're all you serious
[08:08] <anti-penguinboy> so *
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[08:09] <TrueChaos|Lap> and it was only called for if installing to a place where root access was needed
[08:09] <Bicchi> i did mine with root access that way anyone can use it
[08:09] <anusaya> is there a way to rebuild the KDE menu? None of the KDE apps I install appear in the menu.
[08:10] <aseigo> kbuildsyscoca --noincremental
[08:10] <TrueChaos|Lap> but il try installing as root
[08:10] <Bicchi> yeah and install it where i told you
[08:10] <Bicchi> both the jre and jdk
[08:11] <Bicchi> i read it in some ubuntu forums at the time of installation even for the mozilla-appet plugin
[08:12] <TrueChaos|Lap> whats the makedir command ?
[08:12] <TrueChaos|Lap> mkdr dont work
[08:12] <TrueChaos|Lap> :S
[08:12] <aseigo> mkdir
[08:13] <TrueChaos|Lap> thanks
[08:15] <TrueChaos|Lap> Bicchi, installed into /usr/bin/java as root, and i cant do a java --version command
[08:15] <TrueChaos|Lap> im typing in exactly "java --version"
[08:15] <TrueChaos|Lap> :P
[08:15] <Bicchi> try javac
[08:16] <TrueChaos|Lap> javac command not found
[08:16] <TrueChaos|Lap> :S
[08:16] <Bicchi> shoot
[08:16] <Bicchi> did you use sudo 
[08:16] <TrueChaos|Lap> i did su, entered root password
[08:16] <Bicchi> and the folder /java has owner root
[08:17] <Bicchi> no
[08:17] <Bicchi> sudo
[08:17] <TrueChaos|Lap> so no, i didnt use sudo.
[08:17] <Bicchi> you do not su in ubuntu you use sudo
[08:17] <Bicchi> get use to it
[08:17] <TrueChaos|Lap> so i needed to use sudo?
[08:17] <anti-penguinboy> i think its better this way
[08:17] <Bicchi> well, that what i did it with
[08:17] <anti-penguinboy> the whole sudo thing
[08:18] <TrueChaos|Lap> what exactly did you type to install it
[08:18] <TrueChaos|Lap> sudo what
[08:18] <anti-penguinboy> eh?
[08:18] <Bicchi> i forgot sudo ./java&*&*&*&*&*&* not sure what it was
[08:18] <TrueChaos|Lap> ah
[08:18] <Bicchi> just sudo every command
[08:18] <TrueChaos|Lap> ok
[08:18] <Bicchi> you must remove the previous installation
[08:19] <TrueChaos|Lap> how, just deleat the folder?
[08:19] <Bicchi> yeah
[08:20] <Bicchi> did you try reading the wiki
[08:20] <TrueChaos|Lap> no
[08:20] <TrueChaos|Lap> :P
[08:21] <Bicchi> dude you could have saved a lot of thouble there
[08:21] <TrueChaos|Lap> whats a wiki?
[08:21] <Bicchi> what ? is this the first time you run ubuntu
[08:21] <TrueChaos|Lap> this is the first time im running any *nix distro.
[08:22] <Bicchi> holly crap, oh ok. no worry. i will guide you
[08:22] <Bicchi> read this first
[08:22] <Bicchi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingJavaSupport?highlight=%28java%29
[08:22] <Bicchi> that is what you should have done from the begging 
[08:23] <TrueChaos|Lap> gah im trying to deleate the damn folders using rmdir but it wont let me :(
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[08:23] <Bicchi> do rm -R foldermame
[08:23] <anti-penguinboy> rm -rf /
[08:23] <anti-penguinboy> JK DONT
[08:23] <TrueChaos|Lap> or not
[08:23] <anti-penguinboy> LOL
[08:23] <TrueChaos|Lap> im not that stupid
[08:24] <anti-penguinboy> didnt say you where
[08:24] <Bicchi> sudo rm -R java
[08:24] <transgress> anti-penguinboy: be good or ima kick you in your naughty spot
[08:24] <Bicchi> you want to get rid of the java folder
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[08:24] <liz4rd> eat me
[08:24] <liz4rd> ^_^
[08:24] <transgress> why aren't you on jabber you fuck?
[08:24] <TrueChaos|Lap> gah gotta sudo all commands?
[08:24] <liz4rd> oops sorry
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[08:26] <transgress> i'm on a warpath tonight... might wanna watch it
[08:26] <TrueChaos|Lap> did i even need the jdk?  the wiki is saying just install jre
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[08:27] <Bicchi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java?highlight=%28java%29
[08:27] <sbcl3> how do i test java again?
[08:27] <sbcl3> i've got both of them installed?
[08:27] <sbcl3> *installed.
[08:27] <Bicchi> javac or java
[08:27] <sbcl3> k
[08:27] <sbcl3> and then the name of a .java file
[08:28] <sbcl3> ?
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[08:28] <Bicchi> actually try both, both commands need b working
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[08:28] <Bicchi> just try javac
[08:28] <sbcl3> okay
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[08:29] <sbcl3> bicchi: then what?
[08:29] <sbcl3> i put it in with a .java file and got no errors
[08:29] <Bicchi> did it work
[08:29] <sbcl3> i don't know
[08:29] <sbcl3> what'd it make?
[08:29] <Bicchi> did you get a Usage: javac <options> <source files>
[08:29] <sbcl3> oh; i see; Age.class
[08:30] <sbcl3> how to i execute Age.class?
[08:30] <Bicchi> so you have it installed
[08:30] <Bicchi> java Age
[08:30] <sbcl3> how to i execute Age.class?
[08:30] <Bicchi> without the .class
[08:30] <Bicchi> allways
[08:31] <sbcl3> Bicchi: this java thing is working great
[08:31] <Bicchi> good
[08:32] <TrueChaos|Lap> his worked lol
[08:32] <TrueChaos|Lap> :P
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[08:33] <sbcl3> chaos: yours didn't?
[08:34] <Bicchi> he did not use synaptic to get it and it did not configure for hime
[08:35] <sbcl3> poor him :(
[08:35] <Bicchi> did you try eclipse
[08:35] <sbcl3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingJavaSupport?highlight=%28java%29
[08:35] <sbcl3> did he try that?
[08:35] <sbcl3> bicchi: not yet
[08:35] <sbcl3> i'll do that now
[08:35] <sbcl3> is it a hard installation?
[08:36] <anti-penguinboy> if you guys see a guy come in her with the nick penguinboy...tell him he left his anal beeds at the bar
[08:36] <Bicchi> actually it does not require and installation in runs from a single folder and everything is done there. you erase the folder, you remove eclipse its that easy and no root or any shit like that
[08:37] <sbcl3> okay
[08:37] <sbcl3> i hope its easy...i'm untarring it right now
[08:37] <TrueChaos|Lap> uhm
[08:37] <TrueChaos|Lap> my gedit command isnt found
[08:38] <sbcl3> bicchi: that was so freaking easy!
[08:38] <Bicchi> TrueChaos|Lap: then install gedit. you should have done a bunch of things before installling java . like geting to know ubuntu
[08:38] <TrueChaos|Lap> :P
[08:38] <sbcl3> does chaos have ubuntu or kubuntu?
[08:38] <TrueChaos|Lap> kubuntu
[08:38] <sbcl3> then of course you don't have gedit!
[08:38] <sbcl3> use kwrite.
[08:38] <TrueChaos|Lap> Bicchi, i can use synaptic to get it?
[08:39] <sbcl3> yes
[08:39] <sbcl3> did you add those lines i posted?
[08:39] <Bicchi> actually you can have gedit in kubuntu. i do. because i installed it
[08:39] <Bicchi> no
[08:39] <sbcl3> ah.
[08:39] <Bicchi> i allready have java installed
[08:39] <sbcl3> oh
[08:39] <sbcl3> congrats.
[08:39] <Bicchi> using the wiki
[08:39] <sbcl3> what are you trying to do now
[08:39] <Bicchi> nothing i do not use java . it sucks
[08:39] <Bicchi> i use it for school
[08:39] <Bicchi> only
[08:39] <sbcl3> yeah; me too
[08:40] <sbcl3> we've all seen the horrors of openoffice ^_^
[08:40] <Bicchi> yes
[08:40] <TrueChaos|Lap> HAHA! java -version works!
[08:40] <Bicchi> SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
[08:40] <Bicchi> TrueChaos|Lap: good
[08:40] <Bicchi> :)
[08:40] <Bicchi> try javac
[08:40] <TrueChaos|Lap> whats the other command i need to test? javac -version?
[08:40] <Bicchi> just javac will do 
[08:41] <Bicchi> -version just gets you the version
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[08:41] <TrueChaos|Lap> javac command not found
[08:41] <TrueChaos|Lap> :S
[08:41] <Bicchi> that the jdk that is missing
[08:41] <Bicchi> hold a sec
[08:41] <sbcl3> bicchi: eclipse looks so freaking ugly!
[08:41] <Bicchi> did you download the gtk version
[08:42] <sbcl3> no
[08:42] <Bicchi> thats why
[08:42] <Bicchi> gtk has nicer graphs
[08:42] <sbcl3> is there a qt version?
[08:42] <Bicchi> no
[08:42] <Bicchi> :(
[08:42] <sbcl3> i downloaded "motif"
[08:42] <TrueChaos|Lap> Bicchi, ive installed jdk, i just havent linked it... i dont know what lines i need for the jdk
[08:42] <sbcl3> should...i go get the gtk version?
[08:43] <TrueChaos|Lap> sbcl3, what were those lines i needed to add to a file?
[08:43] <Bicchi> sbcl13 yes
[08:44] <Bicchi> if you enabled universe you could type : sudo apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5.0
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[08:45] <sbcl3> chaos: hehe
[08:45] <sbcl3> hold on just a sec...
[08:45] <anti-penguinboy> lol micro member ask google befor us
[08:45] <microhaxo> yo guys
[08:45] <TrueChaos|Lap> and were there a lot of lines?
[08:45] <microhaxo> lol
[08:45] <microhaxo> ahh, i wanna know can i use the package manager to update my kernel?
[08:46] <sbcl3> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[08:46] <sbcl3> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[08:46] <TrueChaos|Lap> where do i add those lines?
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[08:47] <TrueChaos|Lap> ??
[08:49] <sbcl3> truechaos: the end of /etc/apt/sources.list
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[08:50] <Frederick> how do I install kdevelop and how do I add a fat-c partition to fstab?
[08:51] <TrueChaos|Lap> sbcl3, ok, i did that, now what?
[08:51] <TrueChaos|Lap> java -version works, javac doesnt
[08:52] <sbcl3> truechaos: are you using synaptic or kynaptic?
[08:52] <TrueChaos|Lap> synaptic
[08:52] <TrueChaos|Lap> kynaptic sucks.
[08:52] <sbcl3> look for some kind of refresh button.
[08:52] <sbcl3> synaptic - ability to add repos = kynaptic.
[08:52] <sbcl3> i just stay with kynaptic and edit that file when i need to
[08:52] <sbcl3> TrueChaos: close synaptic, and into the terminal type:
[08:52] <sbcl3> "apt-get update"
[08:53] <sbcl3> sorry; "sudo apt-get update"
[08:53] <TrueChaos|Lap> i found an update without a terminal
[08:54] <TrueChaos|Lap> still getting javac not found
[08:54] <TrueChaos|Lap> :S
[08:54] <sbcl3> you have to install the packages!
[08:54] <sbcl3> they both start with "sun-"
[08:54] <sbcl3> there are two of them.
[08:55] <TrueChaos|Lap> sudo apt-get install sun-*
[08:55] <TrueChaos|Lap> ?
[08:56] <TrueChaos|Lap> ah
[08:56] <TrueChaos|Lap> ok, gotta redownload it
[08:56] <TrueChaos|Lap> i gets it now
[08:56] <TrueChaos|Lap> :P
[08:56] <TrueChaos|Lap> i already did the jre package myself
[08:56] <TrueChaos|Lap> its just the sdk part i need
[08:56] <sbcl3> forget that stupid package
[08:56] <TrueChaos|Lap> :D
[08:56] <sbcl3> install the sdk then
[08:56] <sbcl3> did you find the listed sun packages?
[08:57] <TrueChaos|Lap> yep
[08:57] <TrueChaos|Lap> 2 of em
[08:57] <sbcl3> install the one that says "sdk"
[08:57] <sbcl3> if it all works, great.
[08:57] <TrueChaos|Lap> i am
[08:57] <TrueChaos|Lap> :)
[08:57] <sbcl3> if it doesn't, install the other one.
[08:57] <TrueChaos|Lap> kk
[08:57] <sbcl3> after awhile you'll be compiling your own kernel ;)
[08:57] <TrueChaos|Lap> hahaha
[08:58] <TrueChaos|Lap> while(awhile = 10years){mecompilingownkernel=TRUE;}
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[08:58] <Bicchi> actually while (:) do compile; done
[08:59] <TrueChaos|Lap> meh, mine works aswell
[08:59] <TrueChaos|Lap> :P
[08:59] <Bicchi> did you try javac
[08:59] <TrueChaos|Lap> yeah, it didnt work, im apt-geting the package
[08:59] <TrueChaos|Lap> :P
[08:59] <Bicchi> oh ok
[09:00] <sbcl3> bicchi: my gtk eclipse download is complete
[09:00] <sbcl3> do i just delete that one directory?
[09:00] <Bicchi> use that one.
[09:00] <Bicchi> erase the old and thats it
[09:00] <Bicchi> and unpack the new eclipse
[09:01] <Bicchi> do not expect a really beautiful ide.
[09:01] <Bicchi> in windows it looks better
[09:01] <Bicchi> but does the same job
[09:01] <sbcl3> how do you unzip from the terminal?
[09:02] <sbcl3> (a .zip file)
[09:02] <Bicchi> just use the gui
[09:02] <Bicchi> its easy
[09:02] <sbcl3> and a side-question: how come all the good stuff is programmed with gtk?
[09:02] <sbcl3> gnome sucks.
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[09:04] <aseigo> what good stuff is this?
[09:04] <aseigo> because i don't think "all the good stuff" is developed in gtk. not by a long shot.
[09:05] <sbcl3> abiword. planner. dia. eclipse.
[09:05] <aseigo> and of course, gtk!=gnome, but even putting that aside, my experience is different here
[09:05] <aseigo> dia -> have you tried kivio?
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[09:06] <sbcl3> yep
[09:06] <aseigo> planner -> dunno if i'd call that "good stuff" .. abiword is nice, yes. kword is pretty kick ass as well
[09:06] <sbcl3> not as good
=== aseigo shrugs ... 
[09:06] <sbcl3> abiword > kword
[09:06] <aseigo> depends on what you're doing.
[09:06] <sbcl3> i wish there was a qt port of planner :(
[09:06] <sbcl3> its a great app...why can't someone build it?
[09:07] <aseigo> there are people working on kplato again, which is nice. there's also taskjuggler which is finally starting to get a nice kde gui.
[09:08] <aseigo> that said, the reason why project mngmnt apps lag in OSS is pretty obvious (and planner pretty much blows compared to what you get on, say, windows)
[09:08] <aseigo> it's not something developers tend to use. so it's not something developers tend to develop.
[09:08] <aseigo> until there is a user base for it, the apps tend to lag considerably.
[09:09] <aseigo> other apps that developers don't tend to use have traditionally only started to appear once a large enough user base formed that needed / wanted that
[09:09] <aseigo> this is generally true of free software office applications ... we really don't have ANY good ones.
[09:09] <aseigo> we have a bunch of ok ones, but that's it
[09:09] <aseigo> that said ...
[09:10] <aseigo> i think you're viewpoint on "all the good stuff" in gtk is completely overdone.
[09:10] <TrueChaos|Lap> lol
[09:10] <TrueChaos|Lap> anyways
[09:10] <aseigo> where is the kexi in gtk, exactly? kdevelop has been around longer than eclipse, and for some languages is considerably better
[09:11] <aseigo> or the datakiosk, or the amarok, or the k3b, or the scribus, or ....
[09:11] <TrueChaos|Lap> i shall idle, but my dad walked by a min ago, i gotta be awake and alert in 4 hours, so i probably wont be here
[09:11] <aseigo> nah, there are lots of good apps written with both ... 
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[09:11] <Choubaka> Where are input modulers for QT so I can start using them? ;/
[09:11] <leafw> Hi. Successfully chatting from kubuntu-ppc !
[09:11] <aseigo> i'd also point out that almost all of the "good stuff" apps in gtk+ were started _years_ ago when there was a serious push in gtk land for apps ... something that really didn't take hold until around 3.x for kde
[09:12] <aseigo> Choubaka: for quicktime?
[09:12] <Choubaka> no.
[09:12] <Choubaka> QT
[09:12] <leafw> now if only ayone could point to me on tutorials on how to reuse an existing user account in my /home directory, instead of using this new one
[09:12] <Choubaka> you know, GTK - Gnome, QT - KDE
[09:12] <aseigo> yeah, that's quicktime. if you mean Qt, the library kde uses, that'd be Qt
[09:12] <Choubaka> ah
[09:12] <Choubaka> so it's not a capital t?
[09:12] <Choubaka> Anyway, yes.
[09:12] <aseigo> otherwise when you talk about the Qt app that you use to view QT media, it gets  abit confusing ;()
[09:13] <Choubaka> That's what I mean.
[09:13] <aseigo> and what do you mean by "input modulers" exactly? 
[09:13] <aseigo> (give me a better idea here and perhaps i can help out a bit =)
[09:13] <Choubaka> Anyone know debian packages for a precompiled Qt library with input modules?
[09:14] <Choubaka> aseigo: The funky stuff that GTK2 has. Ability to switch input methods on the fly, and forget about XIM or UIM.
[09:14] <aseigo> you mean scim?
[09:14] <Choubaka> no.
[09:14] <Choubaka> scim is an input method.
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[09:14] <Choubaka> the input modules allow me to change input methods on the fly.
[09:15] <Choubaka> something which is impussible using Qt atm. 
[09:15] <Choubaka> impossible, even
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[09:15] <Choubaka> I _could_ recompile Qt, but that's just bad .(
[09:16] <sirukin> hmm
[09:16] <aseigo> is this what you are looking for? http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=14597
[09:16] <sirukin> in order for me to work with what I'm working with
[09:16] <sirukin> I must get rid of mysql 4.0.32 and replace woth 4.1.x
[09:16] <Choubaka> aseigo: no.
[09:16] <sirukin> 4.0.23*
[09:16] <Choubaka> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fimmodule_2dqt <- this
[09:16] <sirukin> :[
[09:17] <aseigo> Choubaka: ah.. yeah, dunno where you could get that in a binary package =/
[09:18] <sirukin> autopackage
[09:18] <sirukin> :p
[09:18] <Choubaka> That's unclean
[09:19] <Choubaka> I guess I could take the debianised sources and wiggle the patch in them and then build a package.
[09:19] <sirukin> who cares about clean.
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[09:19] <Choubaka> sirukin: I do
[09:20] <sirukin> personally, I want my computer to work for me, not against me.
[09:20] <sirukin> in the long run, you don't see my waxing my floor every night.
[09:21] <Choubaka> Well, that's exactly why I don't want to install core libraries outside package management.
[09:22] <Choubaka> something less crucial is just fine in /usr/local/, but not Qt :P
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[09:23] <sirukin> ahhh
[09:23] <sirukin> nvm
[09:23] <sirukin> I read the qt page, but I never actually "read" read it.
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[09:32] <anti-penguinboy> TranbeRL its all you fault
[09:33] <anti-penguinboy> DO YOU HAVE NO EMOTION!?!?!
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[09:47] <sbcl3> does anyone know where eclipse's log is kept?
[09:47] <Frederick> guys apt has the follwing complain E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[09:47] <sbcl3> the help files won't show up...
[09:47] <Frederick> ive aborted it once where is /var/lock?
[09:47] <sbcl3> fred: do you have kynaptic open?
[09:48] <Frederick> sbcl3: nope ive aborted a apt session
[09:48] <sbcl3> either you've got another apt or a graphical package manager
[09:49] <Frederick> sbcl3: hum...
[09:49] <Frederick> I had an apt into a terminal ive ctrl+z
[09:49] <Frederick> I want to kill it
[09:49] <sbcl3> "killall apt"? i'm not sure
[09:50] <sbcl3> can't you just close the terminal session?
[09:50] <Frederick> already done
[09:50] <Frederick> I want to kill the program im var/.lock
[09:52] <anti-penguinboy> get out your hammer
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[09:53] <Frederick> anti-penguinboy: normal distros lemme remove it from var/lock
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[09:55] <Frederick> no ideas?
[09:55] <Frederick> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
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[09:56] <anti-penguinboy> Chameleon22: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[09:56] <anti-penguinboy> hey man
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[10:04] <sbcl3> quick question
[10:04] <sbcl3> i just installed an ati control panel
[10:04] <sbcl3> for a graphics accelerator
[10:04] <sbcl3> how do i get to it?
[10:05] <sbcl3> it was called "fgrlx-control"
[10:05] <xxenon> will 2.6.12 (out now) be an officially supported kernel ?
[10:07] <anti-penguinboy> if you want it to be yes...yes it will
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[10:09] <Chameleon22> howdy all
[10:09] <ice_1963> hello
[10:09] <Chameleon22> anti-penguinboy, ello
[10:10] <ice_1963> are you useing kde ??
[10:10] <anti-penguinboy> hey bro
[10:11] <Chameleon22> ice_1963, ye i am 
[10:11] <anti-penguinboy> xfce4 here :D
[10:11] <ice_1963> ok
[10:12] <ice_1963> :0)
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[10:27] <anti-penguinboy> sirukin: its all your fault
[10:27] <sirukin> so I'm told.
[10:27] <anti-penguinboy> YOU STOLE THE COOKIES FROM THE COOKIE JAR!!!!!
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[10:27] <liz4rd> :P
[10:28] <sirukin> :)
[10:28] <sirukin> join #rl6
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[10:33] <sbcl3> where are installed libraries kept?
[10:33] <sbcl3> i'm looking for "liblua.so"
[10:33] <sirukin> /usr/lib
[10:35] <Firetech> sbcl3: "locate liblua.so"
[10:35] <sirukin> sudo updatedb && locate liblua.so
[10:35] <Firetech> yeye
[10:35] <sirukin> maybe run ldconfig as well
[10:35] <sirukin> sudo ldconfig
[10:35] <sirukin> :S
[10:35] <Firetech> updatedb is run once per day anyway
[10:36] <sirukin> true
[10:37] <Firetech> 3:25 am for me... I'm mosly asleep by then anyway ;)
[10:37] <Firetech> *mostly
[10:38] <Firetech> wher hs myi speling gon?
[10:38] <Firetech> :P
[10:38] <sirukin> haha
[10:39] <sbcl3> err...can i rename a library from liblualib4.so.4 to liblua.so
[10:39] <sbcl3> without it being different?
[10:39] <sbcl3> a program wants "liblua.so"
[10:40] <Firetech> sbcl3: make a symlink
[10:40] <sbcl3> huh?
[10:40] <sbcl3> how?
[10:40] <Firetech> it's NEVER a good idea to rename libraries
[10:41] <Firetech> "sudo ln -s /usr/lib/liblua4.so.4 /usr/lib/liblua.so"
[10:41] <Firetech> for example
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[10:42] <Firetech> make that liblualib4.so.4 instead of liblua4.so.4
[10:44] <sbcl3> does anyone here know how to get stepmania working?
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[10:47] <Firetech> sbcl3: there seems to be something like stepmania in the universe repository
[10:47] <Firetech> "pydance"
[10:52] <sbcl3> firetech: really?
[10:52] <sbcl3> oh
[10:52] <Firetech> apt-get install pydance
[10:52] <sbcl3> firetech: nah...
[10:52] <sbcl3> its not the same
[10:52] <Firetech> ok
[10:52] <Firetech> the same functions, kind of
[10:53] <Chameleon22> there's this doco on TV about campers being attacked by snakes, crocodiles and sharks in australia 
[10:53] <Chameleon22> fuck that i am never going camping again !
[10:54] <sbcl3> how do you make sound devices not busy?
[10:54] <shogouki> i'll never go to australia :)
[10:54] <Chameleon22> shogouki, its great here, its just that everything can kill you ROFL 
[10:55] <Chameleon22> but then again we dont like no wussy franch here 
[10:55] <Chameleon22> :p
[10:55] <Firetech> sbcl3: I guess aRts  is a bit greedy
[10:55] <sbcl3> i think its alsa this time
[10:56] <shogouki> :)
[10:57] <sbcl3> how do you get them "not busy"?
[10:57] <Firetech> killall [some-process-you-think-is-using-the-sound-card] 
[10:57] <Firetech> "killall artsd" for example
[10:58] <sbcl3> k
[10:59] <Firetech> or just take a queue number and wait for your turn ;)
[10:59] <sbcl3> "Couldn't load driver ALSA: Not enough substreams for hardware mixing, using software mixing" :/
[10:59] <sbcl3> ???
[11:02] <sbcl3> silly stepmania...
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[11:13] <closure> \'
[11:17] <sbcl3> how does one restart alsa?
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[11:27] <Kamping_in_doze> hi all
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[11:30] <sladen> or dpkg -S liblua*so  if updatedb hasn't run
[11:30] <sbcl3> how does one restart alsa?
[11:31] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[11:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo 
[11:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> use sudo to run that command :$
[11:31] <sbcl3> thanks
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[12:05] <linkin> hello everybody :D
[12:05] <linkin> I've a problem with upgrading my kubuntu
[12:06] <linkin> after typing in: apt-get upgrade
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah....
[12:06] <linkin> he will download everything normaly... but after it will return the following message:
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> what about apt-get dist-upgrade?
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[12:07] <linkin> hmm mom
[12:08] <linkin> on: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.2_all.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> try using dist-upgrade and see if it fixes it
[12:10] <linkin> same message
[12:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
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[12:13] <linkin> he won't start downloading something, he reporting me, that there is another version of kdelibs-data (4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3) but he wants to install 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.2
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[12:13] <linkin> -reporting +reports
[12:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> did you apt-get update first?
[12:14] <linkin> yes
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[12:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> k
[12:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> try apt-get -f install
[12:15] <linkin> yes... he didn't download something (because he has everything he needs)
[12:15] <linkin> then he will sends out the following:
[12:16] <linkin> try to overwrite /usr/share/icons/default.kde which will be used by knetworkconf
[12:16] <linkin> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:17] <linkin> (i think... same error)
[12:17] <opi> dpkg --force-all -i /var/cache/apt/package.deb
[12:17] <opi> replace package with kdelibs-data
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[12:20] <linkin> i think it's in /var/cache/apt/archives
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[12:21] <linkin> ok...
[12:21] <linkin> thank you :D
[12:21] <linkin> ^
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[12:21] <opi> linkin: you're welcome
[12:21] <pobstil> oh how I wish I wish kubuntu didn't screw itself
[12:22] <linkin> hope i could restart x normaly...
[12:22] <linkin> last time... i couldn't do it...
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[12:23] <pobstil> liz4rd!!!
[12:24] <Do-It-Now> hi all
[12:24] <linkin> i will check it now :D
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[12:28] <stefano> re
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[12:47] <dreumah> help, i cannot go into adminstrator mode in my control panel anymore
[12:47] <dreumah> i cant see the windows shared files anymore either
[12:48] <sbcl3> what's a good ftp client for KDE?
[12:48] <sbcl3> is there one that comes packed in?
[12:49] <xxenon> I have a huge problem here : KDM starts, I type my log, and then it comes back to KDM after 3 seconds. Any clue ?
[12:50] <xxenon> s/log/login
[12:50] <xxenon> and there is nothing special in kdm.log/xorg's log
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[12:56] <Howitzer> Where do i configure KDM?
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[12:56] <McScruff> does anyone know how to install klibido
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[12:58] <Howitzer> McScruff, can't you use apt-get install or something?
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[01:05] <McScruff> how - no it says on their site too, but i follow what they ay to do and i get this error
[01:05] <dreumah> how do i update kde
[01:05] <dreumah> ??
[01:05] <McScruff> ----> Cleaning up object files <-----
[01:05] <McScruff> dh_testdir
[01:05] <McScruff> dh_testroot
[01:05] <McScruff> rm -f build-stamp configure-stamp config.log config.status debian/files
[01:05] <McScruff> Error while building klibido !
[01:05] <McScruff> Some error occured building package
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[01:10] <Mez> :d
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was about to say  hi :S
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[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mez
[01:11] <Mez> hi Kamping_Kaiser 
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[01:12] <Mez> :P
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[01:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> hows it been?
[01:13] <McScruff> dpkg-deb: control directory has bad permissions 2755 (must be >=0755 and <=0775)  - how do  ifix this
[01:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> chmod 775 the directory.... whichever one it is
[01:13] <McScruff> but whats the command
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> chmod
[01:14] <mrabti> I Want to Skin My Grub What can I do 
[01:14] <McScruff> i know that part, but how would i write it as i have never used it before
[01:15] <Mez> :)
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> mrabti, um? what?
[01:15] <Mez> :P
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[01:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks mez :P
[01:16] <Mez> ???
[01:16] <Mez> sorryI'm just testing something
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[01:16] <Kaiser-not-here> bbl
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[01:56] <VincentX> hi
[01:57] <VincentX> i have created a dutch Kubuntu irc channel (#kubuntu-nl) so all dutch people come to #kubuntu-nl please
[01:57] <kalenedrael> cool
[01:58] <kalenedrael> unfortunately i am not dutch :P
[01:58] <VincentX> well
[01:58] <VincentX> there is nothing wrong with being american is there?
[01:58] <VincentX> i love america
[01:59] <VincentX> or are you not american?
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[02:00] <mindspin> can anybody tell me why only time and not date is shown in taskbar? I've enabled show datein kcontrol
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[02:19] <VincentX> all dutch kubuntu users come join me on #kubuntu-nl
[02:23] <Mez> VincentX, Stop spamming please :D
[02:23] <Mez> and apply to be a ColoTeamLeader :d
[02:23] <VincentX> what's a ColoTeamLeader?
[02:24] <Mez> LoCoTeamLeader *
[02:24] <Mez> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamLeader
[02:24] <Mez> though there's already a NL team
[02:24] <Mez> #ubuntu-nl
[02:25] <Mez> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:25] <VincentX> mez thats for the "normal" ubuntu not Kubuntu
[02:26] <Mez> Ubuntu and Kubuntu are the same thing, jsut different paclkages installed on startup.
[02:26] <Mez> You're welcome to make a #kubuntu-nl channel, adn I suggest you talk to the NL LoCo team leader about implementing it better. But spmming every half hour about the channel here wont gain you any favours
[02:26] <VincentX> if you see thing that way you could also goto #ubuntu talking about Kubuntu
[02:27] <VincentX> ok
[02:27] <VincentX> sorry
[02:27] <Mez> they do VincentX , but more than likely, the people who know the answers will see the questions in here :D
[02:28] <Mez> as it's a less used channel, so we see questions (and spam) easier :D
[02:28] <Mez> 400 ish in #ubunut , 88 in here
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[02:29] <Mez> wb Kamping_Kaiser 
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> 500 ish ;)
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> ta mez
[02:29] <Mez> sorry yeah
[02:29] <Mez> 400ish
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> 491
[02:29] <Mez> I forgot as i was switching back tabS :D too lazy to check again
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> 500ish
[02:29] <Mez> I know Kamping_Kaiser 
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[02:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> *stops being a smart arse*
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[02:30] <Mez> :P
[02:31] <VincentX> can you run kubuntu on an oldworld mac?
[02:32] <Mez> VincentX, No idea - you'll have to try it, but kubuntu will run on almost anything with enough RAM and a nice PPC/i386/x64 processor architecture
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> how old world? ubuntu runs on the 5400s
[02:33] <VincentX> it is a 5500 black
[02:33] <VincentX> if it runs on the 5400 it runs on the 5500 too i think
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> worth a shot. but it runs by launchging through apple os, not on boot
[02:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> iirc
[02:35] <VincentX> like a computer program?
[02:35] <VincentX> oh i see
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, but i havent done it yet, so im not sure how it works
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> this is what iv been told
[02:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have 2 6200s i want to try it on :D
[02:37] <VincentX> you have to put the BootX extension in the extensions folder
[02:37] <VincentX> and then it reboots and boots into linux
[02:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry, i dont know a lot about it :( just that someone has it running on a 5400
[02:38] <VincentX> well it should work great
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[03:10] <Mez> /exec fortune -s -n 170 -a bofh-excuses |grep \n    
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> um.?
[03:16] <Mez> Forced to support NT servers; sysadmins quit.
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[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> eek ! i dont have it
[03:17] <VincentX> i hate windows
[03:18] <VincentX> i think i'm gonna start an anti windows irc channel
[03:18] <VincentX> #winsucks sounds nice
[03:18] <Mez> Defunct processes
[03:18] <Mez> Typo in the code
[03:20] <Mez> BOFH excuse #185:
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[03:32] <Mez> BOFH excuse #22: monitor resolution too high
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[03:50] <Frederick> howdo I set my system clock?
[03:51] <sbcl3> i think you right click -> configure clock
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[03:53] <nxv_> what user/pwd do i need for the cups webinterface?
[03:55] <Frederick> sbcl3: it doesnt work I cant set the date from there
[03:56] <sbcl3> is your timezone right?
[03:57] <Frederick> solved slackeare way -> udo date 061811002005
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[04:13] <penguinboy> mornning, guys
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[04:28] <p|> re
[04:28] <penguinboy> morning
[04:29] <p|> lol
[04:29] <p|> 16:29 here :D
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[04:30] <penguinboy> where are you at?
[04:30] <p|> Italy
[04:30] <penguinboy> Italia
[04:31] <penguinboy> the italian language is beautiful
[04:31] <p|> i'm trying mplayer on kubuntu
[04:31] <p|> hehe very complicated
[04:31] <p|> (Italian language)
[04:31] <Mez> man I'm soooo bred i just made a script pull quotes from fortune for my quit message
[04:32] <p|> mplayer crash when i try to play a dvd
[04:32] <penguinboy> do you have the proper codecs
[04:33] <penguinboy> morning Mez!
[04:33] <Mez> afternoon
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[04:34] <penguinboy> welcome muf
[04:34] <p|> i have installed: mplayer-k7
[04:34] <p|> ciao Mez
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[04:34] <Mez> BOFH excuse #409: The vulcan-death-grip ping has been applied.
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[04:35] <penguinboy> what are super cow powers????
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[04:36] <Mez> super cow plowers?
[04:36] <Mez> oh, they're fun
[04:36] <penguinboy> lol
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[04:36] <penguinboy> i was in aptitude and got an error concerning super cow powers
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[04:37] <Mez> apt-get cow?
[04:37] <Mez> apt-get moo *
[04:37] <penguinboy> lol
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[04:37] <Mez> ;)
[04:38] <Mez> http://www.eeggs.com/items/37085.html
[04:40] <penguinboy> lol
[04:40] <penguinboy> lol
[04:40] <penguinboy> lol
[04:40] <penguinboy> have you mooed today?
[04:42] <Mez> :)
[04:42] <Mez> moo
[04:43] <Mez> I like aptitude's one
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[04:50] <vito> u
[04:50] <Mez> o_O
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[04:52] <penguinboy> O_o
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[05:14] <LDM> anyone know how to set up a SATA RAID 1 using 2 new SATA disks, with the OS on another drive?
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[05:22] <Octane> Xorg randomly takes up 30% of my user CPU
[05:22] <Octane> and I need to restart my computer to fix it
[05:22] <Octane> any ideas why
[05:22] <Octane> or what i can do to trace this
[05:24] <KaiL_> no animated GIFs or other shit like this?
[05:25] <Octane> KaiL_, nope, it just sits there taking up 30% and when i start up an app the system slows down to a crawl for like 2 minutes until the app starts
[05:25] <KaiL_> ugs
[05:25] <Octane> its very frustrating, gotta restart my box every other day
[05:32] <Octane> brb
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[05:40] <ilba7r> do i have to reboot every time i loose connection to my wirless network or is there a smarter way to re establish network connection?
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[06:09] <penguinboy> hey guys
[06:10] <airox> dear god ...
[06:11] <penguinboy> airox...if you do not like me you are free to go somewhere else
[06:12] <airox> I only wanted attention :)
[06:12] <penguinboy> oh
[06:12] <penguinboy> sorry
[06:12] <airox> ;)
[06:12] <penguinboy> i apologize
[06:12] <penguinboy> forgive me
[06:13] <apollo2011> How do I check if the smb.conf doesn't have any errors in it like typos that will make it invalid?
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[06:13] <penguinboy> beyond me knowledge base
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[06:33] <bambi> hi
[06:37] <penguinboy> hello
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[06:37] <_bambi> is there a possibility to change my screen solutition to something higher than 1024x768?
[06:38] <penguinboy> yes....yoy right click on the desktop...click on configure desktp...click on display...and change your screen size
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[06:40] <_bambi> yeah, i knew that, but i'd like a resolution of, let's say 1280x1024, and this one isn't listet there (but my monitor) can display it
[06:40] <_bambi> under windows i worked on this resolution
[06:41] <penguinboy> try xorg configure from terminal
[06:41] <_bambi> howto?
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[06:44] <penguinboy> go to a terminal and type sudo xorg config
[06:45] <penguinboy> no wait...that is a Slackware command
[06:45] <penguinboy> i do not know how to do that in Kubuntu
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[07:12] <SteExp> hello all
[07:12] <SteExp> i have need to your help
[07:13] <SteExp> i have a problem u extract rar file
[07:13] <SteExp> someone can halp me?
[07:17] <CavalierBob> SteExp: you're just trying to extract a rar file, correct?
[07:17] <SteExp> yes
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[07:18] <SteExp> i try to install unrar
[07:18] <SteExp> sudo apt-get install unrar-nonfree
[07:18] <SteExp> but doesn't work...
[07:18] <shogouki> unrar x file.rar
[07:19] <shogouki> or unrar e file.rar
[07:20] <SteExp> yes file.rar
[07:21] <SteExp> i make some mistake?
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[07:21] <shogouki> paste the error
[07:21] <SteExp> the error is in italian
[07:21] <SteExp> i don't know
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[07:21] <SteExp> if you understand italian...
[07:22] <shogouki> a bit :)
[07:22] <SteExp> Si  verificato un errore durante l'apertura dell'archivio 
[07:22] <SteExp> tis is the error
[07:22] <shogouki> ho
[07:23] <shogouki> it appens to me sometimes and i dont know how to correct this :/
[07:23] <SteExp> could be a strange rar version file?
[07:23] <shogouki> i think
[07:24] <SteExp> with ubuntu o can extract zip file?
[07:24] <shogouki> unzip
[07:24] <SteExp> ok thx
[07:26] <SteExp> bye shogoki
[07:26] <SteExp> thanks a lot
[07:26] <SteExp> ;)
[07:26] <shogouki> bye :)
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[07:48] <Consty> Good morning everyone.  Anyone read that crazy article about "Is Linux For Losers?".
[07:49] <LDM> Lol.. yeah.  Talk about bad writing.
[07:49] <LDM> Although, everytime I hear a quote from Linus, I get more respect for the guy.
[07:50] <Consty> I dunno, he makes a good point.  But I dont believe its garbage.
[07:50] <LDM> I'm not talking about the OpenBSD guy- the guy who wrote the article itself sounds like he took a few quotes out of context to paint the picture he wanted. 
[07:51] <LDM> Linux isn't perfect, but neither is any other OS.
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[07:52] <Consty> LDM: Oh no doubt he did..  I kinda laughed when he mentioned that quote about the comment he found in the kernel.  As if everyone who works on Linux is a godly programmer.
[07:52] <airox> Got a link to it ?
[07:52] <Consty> http://www.forbes.com/intelligentinfrastructure/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html
[07:53] <LDM> the best was in the slashdot comments on it, someone grep'ed the OpenBSD code and found about 6 similar comments in there code.
[07:53] <Consty> haha
[07:53] <airox> Tnx Consty.
[07:54] <Consty> LDM: Question is if that is even true :P
[07:55] <LDM> the slashdot comment?  They provided links into OpenBSD's CVS ;-)
[07:55] <airox> " the gist being that BSD guys are a lot like Linux guys, except they have kissed girls. " hahaha
[07:56] <LDM> lol... I must not be a real linux guy then.
[07:57] <airox> Go away! ;)
[07:57] <LDM> at least I think they were girls..
[07:57] <airox> lol
[07:59] <LDM> btw.. I'm downloading the FC4 ISOs, and they have a SHA1 file, not MD5- anyone know what utility I need to use to hash them?
[07:59] <airox> ...
[07:59] <airox> sha1sum ? :)
[08:00] <LDM> duh... I didn't see it when I was using tab complete.
[08:00] <airox> :)
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[08:01] <Consty> Haha: http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-06-30&res=h
[08:03] <LDM> gotta love PennyArcade :-D
[08:04] <dell500> Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
[08:04] <dell500> this happens when i do sudo apt-get update
[08:04] <dell500> how might i fix this
[08:04] <LDM> I had problems with this about a week ago with the US Mirror.
[08:05] <LDM> what server is that? Is that an offical Ubuntu server?
[08:06] <dell500> i'm not sure
[08:06] <dell500> it's stable though
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[08:07] <LDM> well, it basically means that it can't get the packages correctly from the server.
[08:08] <LDM> MD5 is a check to make sure you don't attempt to install a file that is corrupted.
[08:09] <airox> Where does KDE store it's themes ?
[08:09] <LDM> that mirror looks like a main Debian mirror...  I'm not familiar enough with ubuntu to say if you can use it...  I'd personally stick to the main ubuntu/kubuntu mirrors unless you have a good reason not to.
[08:09] <airox> Like the images used for a tree widget ?
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[08:11] <sproingie> heh.  "There are some numbers hackers can't steal.  For everything else, there's MasterCard.  Accepted all over, even if it's not yours."
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[08:13] <orangey> hey all!
[08:13] <ilba7r> is there any RSS feed for ubuntu that i can add?
[08:13] <orangey> for some reason, when I do ssh -L port:host:port location , it won't let me do it! it's a virgin install of ubuntu.. are there any options that need to be enabled?
[08:16] <dell500> LDM, i had to add a key to the ring, and changed the links from us.archive to just archive cause the ubuntu servers are messed up
[08:20] <airox> Somebody got an idea where the 'crop' function is in Gimp ?
[08:21] <airox> ah never mind!
[08:21] <airox> The stupid locale did not presented it as 'crop' :)
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[09:30] <seven_six_two> if anyone is interested, I started a public gnocatan server, North American map. it's posted on meta-server if you want to play!
[09:32] <Octane> does anyone have a good sources.list?
[09:32] <Octane> the one from the kubuntu faq has problems
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[09:34] <jbroome> what kind of problems?
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[09:49] <theD3viL> What is this error? xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL?
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[10:01] <poco> hi
[10:06] <kay> hi poco
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[10:09] <sbcl3> does /. have an rss feed?
[10:09] <poco> i am currently on a debian powerpc machine, trying to switch to  kubuntu. i dont have any cd-r and want to try kubuntu. any ideas url ?
[10:10] <Mez> theD3viL, are you still here?
[10:10] <theD3viL> Mez, yes
[10:11] <Mez> poco, speak to your LoCoLeader, or your Lug, if not, try shipit
[10:11] <Mez> theD3viL, using xine under KDE ?
[10:11] <theD3viL> Mez, kaffeine mozilla plugin
[10:11] <theD3viL> & yes KDE
[10:11] <Mez> ah fair enough...
[10:11] <Mez> thought you were trying xine-ui
[10:11] <theD3viL> why ?
[10:12] <Mez> whgat type of file are you trying to play
[10:12] <Mez> cause xine by default is set to use direct sound.
[10:12] <theD3viL> wmv
[10:12] <Mez> theD3viL, sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[10:12] <theD3viL> have
[10:12] <Mez> whats the full error you're getting
[10:13] <theD3viL> ammm
[10:13] <theD3viL> wait sec
[10:13] <theD3viL> No plugin found to handle this resource (mmst://213.250.2.175/24ur.com/2005-06/6047608-2.wmv)
[10:13] <theD3viL> and detailes
[10:15] <theD3viL> Mez, ..
[10:23] <Mez> you sure you;ve installed w32codecs?
[10:23] <Mez> (try askign in #ubuntu - they'll prob be able to tell you ... I can vagurely remember something about that)(
[10:27] <Razor-X> hmmm
[10:28] <Razor-X> in Konsole, how can you make Right-Alt work as M- ?
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[10:29] <Razor-X> allo?
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[10:31] <Razor-X> allo!
[10:32] <Blissex> Razor-X: investigate the 
[10:32] <Razor-X> Blissex: mmmm?
[10:33] <Blissex> Razor-X: BTW, prompting for an answer after a few minutes is dumb and silly
[10:33] <Razor-X> I know, i'm in a stupid mood though ;)
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[10:33] <Razor-X> well, if Konsole doesen't come through, I may just switch terminal emulators
[10:33] <Blissex> Razor-X: please give us the autohrization code for your 60-second guaranteed reply support contract.
[10:33] <Razor-X> 123456789
[10:34] <Blissex> Razor-X: investigate the 'kxkb' ''options'' panel.
[10:35] <Razor-X> and where might that be?
[10:36] <mshelby> I am new to kubuntu, but not to linux. I can not seem to get my windows partition to mount and be readable by a non root user. can anyone help?
[10:37] <sbcl3> hmm.
[10:37] <sbcl3> can you do that with regular ex2 partitions?
[10:37] <sbcl3> i'd really love to know
[10:38] <Razor-X> mshelby: is it NTFS?
[10:38] <Razor-X> sbcl3: you mean, omunt for anyone?
[10:38] <Razor-X> *mount
[10:38] <mshelby> Razor-X: Yes
[10:38] <sbcl3> sbcl3: but mounting gives the priviledges to root
[10:38] <sbcl3> *razor-x
[10:39] <Razor-X> mshelby: sudo mount /dev/path/to/partition /mnt/mount/point -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[10:39] <sbcl3> i want to know if you can mount an ex3 partition that automatically gives permission to a normal user
[10:39] <sbcl3> how do you do that with an ext3?
[10:39] <mshelby> Ok. I'll try that.
[10:40] <Razor-X> sbcl3: i'm thinking sudo mount /dev/path/to/partition /mnt/mount/point -t ext3 -o umask=0777
[10:40] <Razor-X> for full write support
[10:40] <Razor-X> I may be wrong, though
[10:41] <sbcl3> razor: alright
[10:41] <Razor-X> and remember mshelby, NTFS should not be written to in Linux
[10:41] <sbcl3> what does -t do?
[10:41] <Razor-X> type
[10:41] <Razor-X> it's the FS type, basically
[10:41] <sbcl3> and umask?
[10:41] <Razor-X> user mask, it's the privileges
[10:41] <Razor-X> i'm thinking it goes along chmod notation
[10:41] <sbcl3> okay
[10:41] <Razor-X> not 100% sure though
[10:41] <mshelby> Thanks razor-x, now what do I put into fstab to get it to do that at boot time.
[10:42] <Razor-X> mshelby: give me a sec
[10:42] <Razor-X> mshelby: I don't know it all by heart, meself ;)
[10:43] <Razor-X> fill in the file system and mount point parts
[10:44] <sbcl3> what about the rest?
[10:45] <Razor-X> for mshelby
[10:45] <Razor-X> in type it would be ntfs
[10:45] <Razor-X> for sbcl3 type would be ext3
[10:45] <Razor-X> for mshelby options would be: "ro, user"
[10:45] <Razor-X> and for sbcl3 it would be "rw, user"
[10:46] <sbcl3> razor: if i've already mounted my drives, can i just edit fstab?
[10:46] <Blissex> sbcl3: you can always edit '/etc/fstab'. It only gets read when a 'mount' is run.
[10:46] <sbcl3> so when i restart
[10:47] <sbcl3> i'll test it right now
[10:47] <Blissex> sbcl3: so 'umount' and 'mount' again 
[10:47] <sbcl3> yeah
[10:47] <mshelby> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[10:47] <mshelby> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
[10:47] <mshelby> <head>
[10:47] <mshelby> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[10:47] <mshelby> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />
[10:47] <mshelby> </head>
[10:47] <mshelby> <body>
[10:47] <sbcl3> that happens to me all the time :(
[10:47] <mshelby> <pre>
[10:47] <mshelby> /dev/hdd1 	/media/windows 	ntfs 	auto,uid=$uid,gid=$gid,rw 0 0 umask=002</pre></body>
[10:47] <mshelby> </html>
[10:47] <mshelby> woops!
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[10:50] <sbcl3> razor: i get a bunch of errors
[10:52] <sbcl3> oh well
[10:53] <mshelby> Would somebody mind just posting their windows partition mount line from fstab, just so I can see a working example?
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[11:01] <abbas> turkce bilen varm
[11:02] <mshelby> Would somebody mind just posting their windows partition mount line from fstab, just so I can see a working example?
[11:02] <Razor-X> mshelby: why add umask=022?
[11:03] <mshelby> It was a typo error
[11:03] <Razor-X> u/dev/fd0        /media/floppy0  auto    rw,user,noauto  0       0
[11:03] <Razor-X> errr!
[11:03] <Razor-X> that's wrong
[11:04] <Razor-X>  /dev/hda1        /media/windows  auto    ro,user  0       0
[11:04] <sbcl3> here's mine
[11:04] <sbcl3> /dev/hda2       /home/sbcl3/backup      ext3    rw,user         0       0
[11:04] <sbcl3> will that work?
[11:05] <Razor-X> sbcl3: yeahp 
[11:05] <mshelby> Well, I though those lines would work, but they don't seem to work on my system, I always end up with permission errors. I'll try it again, though
[11:05] <sbcl3> k great
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[11:39] <Octane> i just tried to install a foreign kaffeine package and kinda messed up my packages, whats the best way to fix it?
[11:40] <Octane> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:40] <Octane>   kaffeine: Depends: libidn11 (>= 0.5.13) but 0.5.2-3 is installed
[11:40] <Octane>             Depends: libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.4) but 3:3.3.3-7ubuntu3 is installed
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[11:41] <Octane> and when i try to run apt-get -f upgrade it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop
[11:41] <liz4rd> lol
[11:41] <Octane> :)
[11:42] <liz4rd> xfce4 is teh stuff
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