=== henriquemaia [~henriquem@cb-217-129-170-55.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kafeine [~kori@212.39.73.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _Legion_ [~adebarbar@labi.fi.uba.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mrzero [~ole@83.243.129.233] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [~robertj@66-188-77-153.cpe.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === scorpix [~scorpix@as17-175.qualitynet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [~lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC [~janc@dD5770437.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Baby [~nena@baby.kavi.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC07D2.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ahuman01 [~ahuman01@141.152.253.158] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC [~janc@dD5770437.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [~lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] ooh avahi shiny [01:24] if you wanted to write an applet in Gnome, would you use libpanel-applet2? === djames [~david@dyn-74.dhcp.cs.toronto.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dr88dr88 [~gerrit@h174040.upc-h.chello.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Duck_busy is now known as Duck_dodo === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-70-19-81-51.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gyroform [~user@129.142.34.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] mdke, new wiki is awesome [01:50] tseng, i agree [01:50] damn [01:50] good point [01:50] mdz, ^^ === som [~som@66-188-77-153.cpe.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] hrmm, ppp_mppe_mppc isn't getting probed in by pptpd... === som is now known as robetj === robetj is now known as robertj [02:09] is that the intended functionality? [02:12] ppp-compress-18 is aliased to ppp_mppe but ppp_mppe_mppc is needed for pptpd to play nice with OS X & Windows machines === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === henriquemaia [~henriquem@cb-217-129-170-55.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [ams@ns1.mssinc.biz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] puc looks stupid with 3 of me === stub [~stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:02] tseng: I agree, less tseng, more jdub [03:03] schweeb: dude jdub blogs are all like gnomegnomegnomegnomebadgerbadgerbadger [03:04] hehe [03:04] and tseng blogs are all omgmonomonomonoiambrandonhalemonomono [03:05] yes [03:05] infinately cooler [03:05] well, they would be [03:05] if you could frigging spell infinitely [03:06] gosh === sgran [~steve@lobefin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:08] MORE X! === SloMo [~slomo@p5487B9FB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [~lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] jdub: EVERYONE GETS A PIECE [03:19] tear off a hunk and start chewing [03:41] mdz, how are you liking the new wiki? [03:41] we are loving it [03:41] TM [03:42] some teething problems but it'll get there [03:59] mdke: I much prefer moin; I'm glad that the transition seems to have gone well [04:00] :) [04:00] its working better too: speed and caching [04:00] makes such a difference [04:01] henrik will be sending a mail detailed any outstanding issues [04:01] mdz, one to note right now is that subscriptions have not been carried over, dunno if you use that [04:02] its not a biggie, given that diffs and RecentChanges are so much better [04:02] mdke: yeah, I was subscribed to the whole wiki as a substitute for RecentChanges [04:02] *grins* [04:02] me too [04:02] so now I'm only resubscribing to a few pages [04:03] cool [04:16] mdz: enjoying reading the ltsp changelogs ;) === luis_ [~louie@cpe-024-211-128-223.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sgran [~steve@lobefin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:29] jdub: it's now at a point where if you want to play with it, the only manual portion of the setup is dhcpd.conf [04:29] everything else just works [04:34] mdz: yikes [04:34] mdz: is there a setup guide? === rcliii [~rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:41] i love seeing tell-tale signs of ubuntu in project screenshots [04:41] http://www.ndesk.org/nbind/ === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:00] the GIGANTIC date div on planet is a little surprising [05:00] jdub: The theme on the window? [05:23] jdub, thoughts? (who should this person talk to?) http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42465 [05:34] Burgundavia: technically extremely difficult [05:34] and requires lots of integration [05:35] hard integration [05:35] totally non-breezy [05:36] ok === Kalozz [~kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [~jcape@c-24-14-115-101.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub returns with NO FACIAL HAIR [06:05] We're all screwed now [06:07] <|QuaD-> who maintains gaim? [06:08] Maintainer: Robert McQueen [06:08] "apt-cache show gaim" [06:08] <|QuaD-> Jimbob: i was referring to for ubuntu [06:09] <|QuaD-> seems that si the debian maintainer [06:09] |QuaD-: look at the changelog :) [06:09] <|QuaD-> jdub: how? [06:09] /usr/share/doc/gaim/changelog.Debian.gz -- Martin Pitt [06:10] <|QuaD-> oh :) === Amaranth [Amaranth@ACA273ED.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:10] <|QuaD-> he isn't areound :( [06:10] <|QuaD-> i was wondering if he would include a cool new plugin [06:10] <|QuaD-> actually not new [06:11] <|QuaD-> http://gaim-assistant.tulg.org/ [06:16] jdub: blog it! === ealden [~ealden@ipdial-191-187.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@S0106001217ad6427.pk.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:24] i don't suppoase anyone has made dvd images for ubuntu? [06:24] all i have are blank dvds [06:24] for hoary. i'd rather not put breezy on my system yet [06:24] srbaker: There are hoary dvd images [06:25] Lathiat, i can't find them. can you point me in the right direction? [06:26] http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/ [06:27] aha [06:27] the install/live ddvd [06:27] got it [06:27] morning [06:27] it says bittorrent onliy [06:31] So bittorrent it :) [06:31] Now this discussion should really be in #ubuntu [06:31] this channel is for development discussion === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:16] xorg broken ? [07:16] meh .. too late upgraded :-P === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-067-071.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === r0bbyr0b [~wakawaka@cpe-204-210-133-115.hvc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@S0106001217ad6427.pk.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@S0106001217ad6427.pk.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === srbaker [~srbaker@S0106001217ad6427.pk.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:22] jdub: setup guide: [08:23] jdub: 1. install ltsp-server-standalone (or ltsp-server + the pieces you need), 2. configure dhcpd.conf to netboot pxelinux, 3. ltsp-build-client, 4. boot thin client(s) === hunger [~hunger@p54A63651.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:28] I just need to publish an example for #2 and it should be trivial === srbaker [~srbaker@S0106001217ad6427.pk.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [~andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:40] Is xkb hosed again? [08:42] hunger: Oh dear, people are going to be pissed. [08:43] Amaranth: Might be me skrewing up my keyboard... [08:43] oh === srbaker [~srbaker@S0106001217ad6427.pk.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] Win-key is gone missing again here... maybe it is just my system. [08:43] well, it's 1:34am and i need to get up early tomorrow, goodnight all === Q-FUNK [~q-funk@dsl-hkigw7ne-54f9122e.dsl.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] say... when exactly did the wiki move from ubuntulinux.org to ubuntu.com ? [08:56] pretty silly now, because I hadn't logged in in a while and forgot which username I had & all. Galeon used to remember it, but obviously won't if the domain is different. === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0039.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax7-098.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Q-FUNK [~q-funk@dsl-hkigw7ne-54f9122e.dsl.inet.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === desrt [~desrt@24.215.14.137] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] is it appropriate to report stupid little bugs against breezy? [09:10] (specifically, libxfixes3 is required by a whole whack of stuff, but not formally depended on by anything) [09:11] is that worth opening? [09:11] desrt: a direct dependency is not always required. [09:11] is this whack of stuff linked with libxfixes? [09:11] fabbione; ya [09:11] or it is an indirect depends [09:12] like gnome-* [09:12] essentially, i can apt-get install gnome-panel without xfixes being installed [09:12] desrt: if it is linked, than it should have been added to the Depends: at build time [09:12] in breezy right now [09:13] desrt: gnome-panel is not linked to libxfixes [09:13] that's ok [09:13] it doesn't need a Depends: [09:14] ... [09:14] ldd /usr/bin/gnome-panel | grep fix [09:14] fabbione@gordian:~$ [09:14] desrt@moonpix:~$ ldd /usr/bin/gnome-panel | grep fix [09:14] libXfixes.so.3 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXfixes.so.3 (0xb7548000) [09:14] heh. weird. [09:14] hmm what version of gnome-panel ? [09:14] 463a5659fe2ef97774f2067295dabcf3 /usr/bin/gnome-panel [09:15] let me see if i am one version behind [09:15] it could easily be that this machine is seriously messed up right now [09:15] nah i am checkign... gimme a sec [09:15] it's gone from hoary to breezy back to hoary and i just brought it to breezy again :) [09:16] 463a5659fe2ef97774f2067295dabcf3 /usr/bin/gnome-panel [09:16] 463a5659fe2ef97774f2067295dabcf3 /usr/bin/gnome-panel [09:16] ops [09:16] sorry [09:17] fun. [09:17] ldd /usr/bin/gnome-panel | grep fix [09:17] no results [09:17] i'm just gonna un/reinstall X [09:17] thanks for the comparison :) [09:17] no problem [09:17] heh [09:18] no fix here too [09:18] another one, though: ubuntu-desktop doesn't depend on ubuntu-base and i think it should :P === kafeine [~kori@212.39.73.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] hm... keyboard still not working right in X :( === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kamion [~cjwatson@83-216-156-196.colinw664.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] lamont: the approach in #314368 looks totally sensible for breezy [10:38] lamont: we don't need the modutils udebs in Ubuntu, but I can't remember whether anything in Debian uses them === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TerminX [~terminx@terminx.envision7.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [~mark@host217-37-231-22.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:09] hmm, I _still_ can't login from gdm === doko_ [~doko___@dsl-084-059-066-200.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ska-fan [~ska-fan@dsl-084-059-064-039.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] tseng: muine doesn't run no more === auxesis [~lindsay@107.24.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dr88dr88 [~gerrit@h174040.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob [~jcape@c-24-14-115-101.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Safari_Al [~tr@ppp241-50.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic_ [~prospero@wolax8-245.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] so is breezy X working for anyone at the moment? [11:56] works for me [11:57] hmm [11:57] you can login from gdm, and startx on the console? [11:57] startx gives me /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or directory [11:58] i could yesterday, yeah [11:59] works for me and i have the latest [11:59] Keybuk: make sure ubuntu-desktop is installed? [11:59] Lathiat: it is [12:01] hmm, what makes that symlink [12:01] it looks like daniels moved it to /etc/X11/X [12:01] and xinitrc hasn't caught up [12:02] Lathiat: what does /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc contain on your box? [12:02] root@ubuntu:~ # cat /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc [12:02] #!/bin/sh [12:02] exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp [12:02] do you have a /usr/bin/X11/X ? [12:03] nope [12:03] butit still works [12:03] startx works? or just gdm? [12:04] the only thing I get is a popup dialog complaining about xkb [12:04] everything else seems to work [12:04] hmm [12:04] now it appears that Xorg isn't setuid root [12:05] yo all [12:06] changing that file and making Xorg setuid root lets me startx [12:06] but gdm still won't login -- I get a session chooser widget thing that does nothing [12:09] right, so if I explicitly select "GNOME" I can login [12:10] but the "Default Session" thing isn't GNOME [12:10] yeh [12:11] weirdness === Keybuk hates X === opi [~emil@oppeln-bronikowski.int.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] Hi guys === nbm [~nbm@wbs-146-148-44.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] (host lists.ubuntu.com[209.61.182.217] said: 421 Unexpected failure) [12:14] is there anything wrong with ubuntu.com mail server? [12:14] brb, now I have something graphical [12:14] or where should I report that :-) [12:15] (host lists.ubuntu.com[209.61.182.217] said: 452 Space shortage) === haggai [~halls@i-83-67-59-194.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbeattie [~mbeattie@ool-4355f1f7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] hmmm === dholbach [foobar@td9091b70.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === auxesis [~lindsay@107.24.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] opi: oops. that's an old box of mine and it's out of disk space [12:18] thanks for the heads up [12:18] sabdfl: no problem [12:18] i'll try fix it, maybe elmo has a plan to move those lists to a newer canonical box [12:18] sabdfl: I just rushed to raport, because it's like that since 2h or so [12:19] hi === mvo is away for a bit to get some food [12:21] OK, my work is done here. I'm moving back to work :P [12:23] bob2: youd have to be more specific [12:24] tseng: when I start it, ot does nothing, and venetually comes up with a "time out" error [12:24] tseng: even after nuking ~/.gnome2/muine/ [12:24] dpkg -l muine* | grep ii [12:24] ? [12:25] tseng: 0.8.2-5ubuntu2 [12:25] actually [12:25] things are going to get alot more broken [12:26] this is hoary [12:26] uh [12:26] WFMAEE [12:26] (and everyone else?) [12:26] yeah, and used to work for me [12:27] ive never heard of muine "timing out" [12:27] is it timing out to dbus? === Keybuk [~scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] ok... so I can get X to start [12:28] but none of the bucky-bits work on the keyboard [12:28] Unhandled Exception: DBus.DBusException: No reply within specified time [12:28] in <0x00167> DBus.Message:SendWithReplyAndBlock () [12:28] in <0x000c6> Muine.DBusLib.Player.Proxy:SetWindowVisible (bool) [12:28] in <0x00112> Muine.Global:Main (string[] ) [12:28] tseng: right [12:28] there you go [12:28] fix your dbus [12:28] :) [12:29] hrm [12:29] same error, even after restarting the dbus daemon [12:29] I'll bitch at daniel when he lands [12:30] is there anything daniels didn't break before he left? :) [12:30] restarting system dbus daemon, or user dbus? [12:30] not the same thing [12:30] system [12:30] can you start a new session (after insuring there are no left overs from this one)? [12:30] gnome session i mean [12:31] ah, user [12:31] = restart gnome? [12:32] or in addition to the existing one? [12:32] i dont know how to do it by hand [12:33] Wha! The keyboard guessing game in the installer is fun;-) [12:33] buh we are going to have to --force-overwrite the new mono debs [12:33] brb [12:33] since upstream pulled a fast one on me last release === dholbach [foobar@td9091b70.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] hrm [12:35] wb [12:35] none of the comments to the xkb bugs was helpful === dholbach cries desperately [12:35] dholbach: bug#s? [12:35] dholbach: So there is a new xkb bug? [12:36] Keybuk: 11909 and 11931 iirc [12:36] dholbach: I am seeing it (at least my win key is no longer recognized). How can I help? [12:36] and 10695 and 10939? ;) [12:36] ok kids, DO NOT install this mono [12:36] its a bootstrap [12:37] hunger: fix "(EE) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap" for me :) [12:37] dholbach: I am definitly only missing the win key... [12:37] writing latex without backslash and curly braces is ... not funny [12:37] I'm missing Compose too [12:37] And AltGr [12:37] (not to mention writing C or C++ code) [12:37] dholbach: Now that you mention those: AltGr is missing too. [12:38] dholbach: Yes, I got the same error in Xorg.log. [12:38] everyone has it i think [12:38] perhaps i should just grab a pen and some pieces of paper and take a train to the nearest lake and write some pages there [12:38] Feels good to not be alone after all;-) [12:38] dput should actualyl show some stuff about the upload [12:39] speed, progress [12:39] tseng: how about some ascii movie, if the upload takes a bit longer? ;-) [12:39] yes [12:39] I wonder how my completly custom keyboard mapping managed to turn from xkb into pre-xkb? [12:39] Hmm does anybody know if gibraltar is non free? looks that way judging by their downloads section === chris38-home [~Christian@LNeuilly-152-22-2-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] smurfix, ping? === Keybuk [~scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] kids ... don't strace X === dholbach takes some time to comfort Keybuk [12:51] *laughs* [12:52] Keybuk: i thought about it too :) [12:52] Keybuk: yeah, it has interesting side effects, like hanging your system [12:52] it didn't hang ... it's just went v e r y s l o w l y [12:52] (but thought the better of it) [12:52] ah, it hangs my laptop every time === cartman [foobar@cartman.developer.konversation] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] but that just might be the awfulness of the i810 driver === cartman [foobar@cartman.developer.konversation] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ich] [12:53] well, a lot of stuff is trying to access /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/... [12:53] which daniels appears to have helpfully ommitted the symlink for [12:53] and /usr/lib/X11/XKeysymDB [12:54] (now /usr/share/X11/XkeysymDB) === opi [~emil@oppeln-bronikowski.int.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] Keybuk: That does not change anything:-( [12:54] i tried to symlink XKeysymDB but that doesnt seem to be enough [12:55] hunger: did you do _both_ ? [12:55] Keybuk: I did the last time the keyboard was broken. === Keybuk is now known as __keybuk [12:56] <__keybuk> well, it's fixed vt-switching === __keybuk tries logging in [12:56] <__keybuk> I got an X and GNOME differ dialog -- and selected GNOME [12:57] <__keybuk> yay, and I have Win, AltGr and Compose now === __keybuk tries logging out and in again [12:57] what the christ does "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: Exec format error" mean [12:57] __keybuk: what should /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/ point to? [12:57] perhaps the script is -x? [12:57] Is postinst an executable script? === Keybuk [~scott@syndicate.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:58] __keybuk: So symlinking helps this time round? [12:58] mjg59: yes [12:58] tseng: no [12:58] w00t [12:58] \o/ [12:58] no dialogs this time [12:58] syndicate scott% xprop -root | grep XKB [12:58] _XKB_RULES_NAMES_BACKUP(STRING) = "xorg", "pc105", "gb", "", "" [12:58] _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "xorg", "pc105", "gb", "", "compose:rctl" [12:58] "sudo /var/lib/dpkg/info/network-manager.postinst configure" works fine [12:58] hunger: it looks like you need both symlinks [12:59] mjg59: script can't be -x, dpkg would've refused to build the deb [12:59] there's nothing useful in dpkg.log [12:59] thom: ? [01:00] Keybuk: trying to figure out why dpkg is crying about my postinst [01:00] thom: what's the error? [01:00] < thom> what the christ does "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: Exec format error" mean [01:01] ENOEXEC [01:01] An executable is not in a recognised format, is for the wrong [01:01] architecture, or has some other format error that means it can [01:01] not be executed. [01:01] ah, heh. found it. missing !. [01:01] ;) [01:02] yah, is generally bad shabang [01:03] besides that, looks like new NM is hot to trot [01:03] how usable is it at the moment? [01:04] the one i'm just about to upload works great for me [01:04] cool, I shall test [01:05] the one in breezy is known not to work, so don't bother for the next hour or so :-) [01:05] omg, I've never seen it so active here on a saturday. :) [01:07] thom: yeah, I tried that one [01:08] I'm trying to ween myself off NIH === Wolvy [~chatzilla@host116-38.pool80183.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] Keybuk: heh [01:09] Uploading via ftp network-manager_0.4.1+cvs20050618-1_source.changes: done. [01:09] Successfully uploaded packages. === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gyroform [~user@129.142.34.163] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [foobar@td9091b70.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] jdub, around? [01:20] Keybuk: thank you :))) [01:22] we are having some issues with the -doc mailing lists, is anyone else receiving list mail? [01:23] lists.ubuntu.com is temporarily screwed [01:24] right [01:24] ok === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.147] has joined #ubuntu-devel === qingl [~qingl@222.51.177.44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@p5089DE63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === susus_ [~sz@p5089DE63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-66.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-70-19-111-200.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:53] who broke xscreensaver? === pef [~loic@erodia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:56] hello [01:56] can someone explains me why oss is not completely deleted (for alsa) from ubuntu ? === pef [~loic@erodia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] because not everything does alsa === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-66.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] bob2: have you examples (apps ?) [02:01] no idea [02:04] see you later [02:06] mdke: [02:06] *grins* [02:07] smurfix, did you add #ubuntu-it-meeting to LoCoBot? === dato [~adeodato@dato.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] it's there now [02:08] bingo [02:08] thanks :D [02:09] I forgot to re-add it after freenode annoyed me with a "you're on too many channels" message [02:09] idiots [02:09] smurfix, so is there a way to get on more channels you think? [02:09] I don't know, I'll have to ask them; at the moment there's a locobt and a locobot2 *shrug* [02:10] ok [02:10] well thanks v much for doing that [02:10] its a cool service [02:11] np === auxesis [~lindsay@107.24.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === swe3tdave [~swe3tdave@Toronto-HSE-ppp3761171.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === timbal [opera@host249-220.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alerim [~alerim@courbevoie-103-1-233.net1.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [~mark@sabdfl.silver.supporter.pdpc] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === herzi [~herzi@c172215.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:02] Keybuk, whats broken in xscreensaver ? === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE00501836c657-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === scorpix [~scorpix@as17-195.qualitynet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Duck_dodo is now known as Duck_away [03:16] ogra: it has the old-fashioned jwzware password dialog [03:16] and not the Ubuntu one [03:17] Keybuk, http://www.grawert.net/xss_mockup.png [03:17] Keybuk, it has a new login button, and jwz changed all xpm funcition names internally.... so i hav to rewrite the whole stuff :-/ [03:18] right [03:18] is there any particular reason we don't make it look _exactly_ like the gdm greeter? [03:19] they see that for logging in, and for switching users, so it makes some sense to me that they'd see it for unlocking screen too [03:19] ogra: looks really nice. Two things I miss though. A clock and for how long it has been locked [03:20] torkel, nope, new concept ;) [03:20] (how long it has been locked was never included) [03:20] ogra: I know, and I have missed it all these years :-) [03:21] torkel, the next version should just reset the timeout on every keystroke, so it closes only if there is really no input for some while === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alerim_ [~alerim@courbevoie-102-1-180.net1.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:23] Keybuk, because we have found nobody to do it.... vunz wants to do it, butnot in breezy time [03:24] Keybuk, so currently we fall back on my old dialog...with modifications [03:24] still better than jwzware :) [03:24] yes... [03:25] Keybuk: everything is better than jwzware :-) [03:25] jdub's blogentry about freescreensave made me think about it... we probably should do it :) [03:25] jwz has the UI instinct of an octopus [03:25] hehe [03:25] and weird ideas of copyrights [03:26] change the logo that xscreensaver displays on the splash screen and [03:26] password dialog, please don't. The logo is xscreensaver's identity. [03:26] You wouldn't alter the name or copyright notice on a program that [03:26] you didn't write; please don't alter its logo either. [03:26] */ [03:27] a comment from jwz === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:35] ogra: heh [03:37] right, please test newest network-manager, please [03:38] well, when it gets to the archive [03:38] pittiping [03:38] pitti: ping [03:38] :) [03:38] no route to host === chrissturm [~chris@83-65-242-30.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:42] thom, do you have a version that builds now ? [03:42] (last upload failed) [03:42] chown -R bind:bind debian/network-manager/var/lib/NetworkManager [03:42] 1526 chown: `bind:bind': invalid user [03:50] ogra: yes, 2 is already uploaded and built on all arches [03:50] ah, ok === ompaul [~ompaul@213-202-187-174.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:51] i didnt see it on -changes [03:51] ah [03:51] yeah; it's in the archive and downloadable now [03:52] btw, it doesnt work with my pcmcia card to well.... [03:52] try the new one, please. and then file a bug :-) [03:53] its a common problem.... that lies rather on the HAL level....since that card doesnt support network scanning and HAL doesnt even recognize it as wlan [03:53] wooo hooo... xpaint forkbomb-of-xorg-death === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] ogra: ah === robertj [~som@66-188-77-153.cpe.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [~ogra@p5089DE63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:10] hmpf [04:12] thom: so, I installed network-manager, now what? ;) [04:12] ah, it's still an icon? [04:14] thom: it thinks my signal is half of what it is [04:14] and now it thinks it's 8% not 80% :p [04:16] heya ogra, from what I understand, pptpd won't accept windows or mac clients with the default set of module aliases [04:16] Keybuk: wow, you can connect to your network with n-m ? [04:16] has this been discussed before? [04:16] Treenaks: yeah, and my neighbour's :p [04:16] Keybuk: wow.. [04:17] Keybuk: I can't connect to any networks === LinuxJones [~willy@blk-222-221-81.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:17] without ppp_mppe_mppc it's very unhappy, but apparently ppp-compress-18 is aliased to plain old ppp_mppe [04:18] robertj: ppp?! === dr88dr81 [~gerrit@h174040.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:18] have you filed a bug assigned to kernel team? [04:18] robertj: what does my WEP-encrypted wifi network have to do with ppp? [04:18] Treenaks: it doesn't different question [04:19] robertj: ah ok :) nm then [04:19] Treenaks: This is needed to get pptpd to play nicely [04:20] tseng: is that for me? [04:21] robertj: yes [04:21] christ me, NM actually did something [04:21]