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siretartlesliev: there is the wiki page, and everyone claims his packages there12:02
siretartthis is the list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CxxLibraryList12:02
siretartlesliev: did you try to build sopwith with g++-4.0?12:03
siretarterr, gcc-4.012:07
siretartlesliev: I uploaded an updated package of sopwith with your contributions.12:36
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siretartgn8 folks12:52
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leslievsiretart: I built sopwith with 3.3.5 on Hoary. I think my apt probs may have been unrelated.01:22
leslievtx for doing the package, I will do the wiki page soon01:23
leslievgn8!01:23
chillywillyhey guys01:25
chillywillywhen I boot up my new penguin computing server after installing it tells me it cannot read the ext3 /boot partition and that I need a newer version of e2fsck01:26
chillywillyI used the amd64 install disk01:26
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|QuaD-i hate mplayer!04:16
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Burgundaviatseng, what do you start your beagle with?05:10
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|QuaD-anyone feel like doing some packaging?05:55
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hondjeHowdy.  Who is maintaining the bzflag pkg for breezy? :)11:53
Lathiathondje: me11:57
hondjeLathiat: Hi, addicted to the game.  Any chance I can get the .deb from you?11:58
Lathiathondje: http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/11:58
hondjeI've been rebuilding the pkg from etch, but that's not healthy11:58
Lathiathondje: its still awaiting review11:58
Lathiatto go into breezy11:58
hondjeLathiat: ah...did you happen to change the rules so it's not building for 486?11:59
Lathiaterm11:59
Lathiatdont think so11:59
Lathiathondje: would it really benefit from that?11:59
Lathiathondje: most things dont11:59
siretartLathiat: you are taking care of bzflag? great! :)12:00
hondjeLathiat: Not greatly, but I notice the fps 'seem' a bit more consistant12:00
Lathiatsiretart: yeh wel its been awaiting review foramonth...12:00
siretartLathiat: the problem with bzflag is that its a c++ app, and cannot be uploaded anyway12:00
Lathiatsiretart: ah right12:00
hondjeLathiat: big thanks for the package, mine wasn't running too well12:01
siretartLathiat: perhaps we can make a deal: you join the MOTUGames team, and put your package for reviewing on that page, and I'll review it with priority, how's that? ;)12:01
Lathiatsiretart: alright12:01
Lathiatthe question is, do i need to do any cxx transition stuff12:02
Lathiati might play with it12:02
Lathiatill do that tomorrow12:02
siretartLathiat: does bzflag build with g++-4.0 from hoary?12:02
siretartLathiat: does bzflag build with g++-4.0 from breezy? (sorry=12:02
Lathiati *think*, but im not sure12:02
Lathiati'll find out12:02
Lathiathow do i tell pbuilder to use g++-4 ?12:02
siretartif you have a breezy pbuilder chroot, it will use the "default" g++ compiler, which is g++-4.0 in breezy12:03
Lathiatok12:03
Lathiati'llbuild oen12:03
hondjeis there a how-to on using all the deb-helpers?12:04
siretarthondje: well, there is the debhelper manpage..12:05
Lathiatcan i oint pbuilder at/var/cache/apt/archives ?12:05
Lathiatfor apt-cache?12:05
hondjesiretart: that one is geared towards developers12:05
siretartLathiat: see the pbuilder howto in the wiki12:06
Lathiatyeh im look at it12:06
siretarthondje: well, then I dont quite understand your question, debhelper IS for developers12:06
hondjesiretart: I want to make some packages for my personal use, of various commerical software12:07
siretartoh, ic12:07
hondjefor most things, deb-src has me covered, really easy to use, but from scratch I'm at a loss12:08
siretartI think it would be best the scim through the debian new maintainer guide, and read the debhelper manpage for the debhelper tools available, atm12:08
siretarthondje: do you know dh_make?12:08
hondjesiretart: No, I'm afraid not12:09
Lathiatyeh the debian new maintainer guide is good12:09
hondjeoh, I'll google that12:09
siretarthondje: well, then look at it :) - it gives you a nice skeleton source package with debhelper tools12:10
hondjeoh, perfect12:10
sivangLathiat: really? I find it mostly lacking. The only true sources to learna bout deb pkgs, is make and autotools manual ;-)12:10
hondjeeasy upgrades here I come ;-)12:10
Lathiatsivang: make and autotools really has nothing to do with creating debian packages...12:10
siretartLathiat: well, debian/rules is a makefile ;)12:11
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hondjeautotools is grokable, debhelper is confusing :)12:11
sivangMy point exactly...12:11
sivangand debhelper is basically a set of premade make snippets, used on demand12:11
sivangIIRC12:12
hondjehrm12:12
sivangWell, I'm just talking out of the frustration in the DNM guide ;-)12:12
hondjenow I'm a bit more confused, but that maint doc is big and well written...12:12
Lathiatyeh but who doesnt use cdbs. ;)12:12
hondjeI have my own personal repo, I'd like to be able to keep myself all synced in12:12
sivangLathiat: true, however, could you please tell me how can I learn and master cdbs?12:12
sivangLathiat: The documentation is pretty sparse, last time I checked12:13
Lathiatlook at other packages. ;)12:13
hondjeother pkgs confuse me ;-)12:13
sivangLathiat: hehe, did that for a couple of packages I did, but I'm a tough cookie - I always want to have broad understanding12:14
hondjeI'm really mostly computer illiterate12:14
hondjeBut ~5 years of using it for a desktop with nothing else has kinda forced me to learn a couple tricks...12:14
hondjeNow I keep setting up plans that are above me :)12:15
sivanghondje: I also found out most of the already made cdbs pkgs confusing, I guess that's becasue with cdbs you can achive a lot with nearly zero lines of code.12:15
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hondjeI should be glad work gives me a chance to try something neat though, making my own debs12:17
sivanghondje: oh, that's nice, where do you work?12:18
hondjesivang: small local company, we do various odd stuff12:18
hondjemy personal job is taking data and making pretty pictures and graphs with it, not very interesting, but we use a couple of in-house apps12:19
hondjethe rest of them (and sometimes me) write applications for banks and .gov types, or fix bugs / add features / reboot NT12:19
sivanghondje: oh, are you a research student ?12:20
hondjeundergrad physics/math student12:20
hondjeI know just enough that my boss thinks I'm useful :)12:20
sivangwow cool12:21
hondjeyeah, it's pretty neat stuff12:22
sivangso you'd probably have lot's of free time to work on ubuntu?12:22
hondjeplus it gives me some useful skills that I can switch back to school, did well in a computational-math contest, from work-skills12:22
hondjeNot a lot, I have a daughter, a wife, school full-time for two degrees, and work 30-40 hrs a week :)12:22
hondjethough summer is much nicer, like now :)12:23
sivanghondje: ah nice , where from?12:23
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dholbachhi12:23
hondjeI live in Colorado, US12:23
tsenghi dholbach !!!12:23
dholbachhi brandon12:24
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sivanghondje: oh right :-)12:24
sivanghey dholbach , ts12:24
sivangtseng, even12:24
hondjemy usual contribution-back is helping newbies, filing bugs and throwing money at projects12:25
sivangwhat's cooking?12:25
tsenghi sivang12:25
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DanielNmorning12:26
hondjeI was thinking about making/maintaining a glest pkg, but I can't tell if it's Free or not12:26
dholbachbrb12:33
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siretarthondje: the source distribution should have some copyright or licence statement inside01:09
siretarthondje: if not, it's not distributable, due to lacking statment :(01:09
dholbachsiretart, hondje: yeah, i just mailed some upstream guy to add a nice license - he did in less than a week01:10
hondjesiretart: ah, I'll try that out...I was just grepping their site, then I fired off an email to the lead dev01:10
hondjedholbach: oh, for glest?01:10
dholbachno, for tilda01:10
hondjeoh01:10
siretartdholbach: cool! :)01:10
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ivokshm, X are broken in breezy :(01:18
dholbachxkb?01:18
ivoksyeah :(01:18
dholbachKeybuk well, a lot of stuff is trying to access /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/...01:18
dholbachKeybuk which daniels appears to have helpfully ommitted the symlink for01:18
dholbachKeybuk and /usr/lib/X11/XKeysymDB01:18
dholbachKeybuk (now /usr/share/X11/XkeysymDB)01:18
dholbachgoing to restart X now *wave*01:18
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dholbachHA! WORKS!01:20
ivoksreally?01:20
dholbachyup01:20
dholbach*headbang* *dance on the table*01:20
siretartdholbach: grats :)01:21
ivoksok... X restart for me too then01:21
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ivokshehe praise the lord01:23
ivoksdholbach: thanks for tip01:23
dholbach\{}{}[] {}@@ WOOHOO! :)01:23
dholbachthank keybuk :)01:23
ivoksbiggest problem for me was the Windows key :)01:23
ivoksi use it for close, maximize, minimize, shade, start term, etc...01:24
siretartyou mean the "ubuntu" key? ;)01:24
ivoksuberkey :)01:24
dholbachwhat do you guys think about a review day next week?01:25
dholbachwe desperately need it01:25
dholbachthe lists are ber-full01:25
ivoksok by me01:25
dholbachi think it's the coolest way to contribute MOTU-wise to ubuntu01:25
dholbachget fixed and NEW packages in01:25
dholbachand praise those that did packaging work01:26
dholbachi'll make an announcement - any suggestions for the date?01:26
ivoks7 days from now?01:26
ivoksi have exam 23.01:26
dholbachon the weekend?01:27
dholbachhmmmhmhm01:27
ivoksyeah, next saturday?01:27
ivoks:)01:27
ivoksof friday01:27
dholbachwhat does the rest of the crew think?01:27
ivokss/of/or/01:27
siretartnext weekend is linuxday01:28
ivoksoh01:28
dholbacheveryday is ok for me - i'm chained to the computer at the moment :-/01:28
ivoksdholbach: why?01:28
dholbachivoks: have to hand in my thesis in 8 weeks, last exam in 3 weeks01:28
ivokseh...01:29
dholbachi've never been busier01:29
ivoksthen maybe you should work more on thesis, instead of ubuntu :)01:29
dholbachbut we need this review day - and i'll help out01:29
ivoksjust for a week or two :)01:29
dholbachi'm not that busy on the ubuntu front atm, really not01:29
ivoksah... that's why everything is stalled :))01:30
dholbachso in the week from 26th to 2nd somewhere?01:30
ivoksmaybe 27th? we will be fresh after weekend01:30
dholbachfine by me01:32
dholbachany other suggestions/opinions?01:32
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ivokslooks like we are alone01:33
ivoks:)01:33
ivoksdholbach: put it in topic01:33
siretartdoes anyone know zsh-lovers?01:33
ivoks27th is in 9 days...01:34
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ivokssiretart: i'm playing with zsh for last two weeks, but don't know much of it for now...01:35
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siretartivoks: the zsh-lovers is additional knowhow documentation, licensed under gpl01:37
siretartupstream already packaged it, I think breezy should have it01:37
siretartthe "problems" are: not in debian, and native package.01:37
siretartdholbach: what do you think? should I repackage it as non native? or put it "as is" on NEWPackages?01:38
ivoksah :)01:38
dholbachsiretart: how is its state apart from being native?01:38
siretartwell, mainly its only documentation in 3 formats: manpage, htmlpage and pdf01:39
dholbachah ok01:39
dholbachyou could explain the upstream guys what to do01:40
siretarthm. ok, then I'll repackage it and propose that to upstream, perhaps the will adopt it01:41
dholbachyeah01:41
siretarthm. the package isn't very nice packaged anyway. but nice, but functional01:44
dholbachok - so we agree on monday, june, 27th?01:45
siretartsounds good01:45
dholbachok01:45
dholbachsent the mail01:45
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siretartwaah. the upstream tarball is the native package with debian dir01:46
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siretartnow I understand: they want to provide the packages themselves and to simplify, they packaged it as native.01:47
siretartI don't think they'd want to change that01:47
dholbachwrite and tell them, that the .diff.gz will get unreadable01:49
dholbachupstreams unfortunately mostly don't have a clue about packaging01:50
siretarthm. I need to create a "new" orig.tar.gz, without debian/ dir01:50
dholbacharglarglargl01:50
siretartbecause as said, the upstream tarball is with debian/ dir01:50
siretartexactly01:51
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dholbachi wouldnt create a new orig.tar.gz01:51
dholbachi'd bite the bullet and have a messed up .diff.gz (if they don't change their position)01:51
dholbachbut i guess they'll hear you out, if you tell them01:51
siretarthm. ok01:52
dholbachi think it's good to be able to compare the md5sum with upstreams orig.tar.gz01:52
dholbachbut that's just my opinion01:53
dholbachnot a "rule"01:53
siretartyeah, but in this case, this would really mess up the diff.gz01:54
siretartbut ok, will do01:54
dholbachsee you later02:04
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Goshawkhi02:32
Goshawki've found an error (and fixed) installing java (sun packages) on my ubuntu hoary, i don't know if it's really a bug. The /etc/alternatives/mozilla-javaplugin..etc. is a symb link to nothing because, installing java package there is not /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so file but it's /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so. Should it be fixed in any way, or everyone should fix it02:36
Goshawkcreating a new symb link?02:36
siretarthi Goshawk02:39
siretartGoshawk: these j2sdk1.5 packages are not included in hoary, they are packages created and installed by the local sysadmin02:40
Goshawksure? i'm the sysadmin and i've only standard repos + backports... going to check them02:41
siretartGoshawk: the problem you describe could indeed be a bug in java-package (which is distributed in hoary/multiverse)02:41
siretartGoshawk: backports? uh. which version of java-package did you use to create the j2sdk1.5 package?02:42
Goshawkyes i've universe, multiverse and backports enabled02:42
Goshawkno... i've installed java with an easy apt-get install call02:42
Goshawkapt-get install sun-j2sdk1.502:42
Goshawkapt-get install sun-j2re1.502:42
Goshawkand that's all02:43
siretartsorry, this is not supportable. this sun-j2sdk1.5 package may not be legally distributed02:43
siretartwherever you got this from, this download was not legal02:43
siretartand obviously, it is broken02:43
Goshawkehm.. this is the mainteiner : Ubuntu Backports Project <ubuntu-bp-devel@googlegroups.com>02:43
Goshawkand yes the section is Development(non-free)02:44
siretartthey are not affiliated with us, and we have not seen these packages, nor recommend using them02:44
siretartnot yet, there has been some discussion for colaboration, but I don't know what the current status is02:44
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siretartI'd recommend removing the sun-j2sdk1.5 package, and create one yourself using latest java-package02:45
Goshawkok... i'll find another easy way to make my firefox running java with apt-get02:45
siretartGoshawk: I just told you the IMO easiest way to get the non free java plugin working02:46
siretartlatest java-package is 0.24, atm02:47
Goshawkbtw the buged packages are in ubuntu-backports.mirrormax server, that is listed in the unofficial ubuntu guide02:50
siretartGoshawk: well, we know that the backports archive exist, but we cannot recommend using them.02:52
Goshawkok.. dropping backports repo02:52
Goshawkand getting the java one from tower-net.de (ubuntu wiki)02:53
siretarttower-net.de?02:54
Goshawkhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java02:54
Goshawksiretart, first method02:54
siretartGoshawk: I strongly recommend method 302:55
Goshawksiretart, i've to install java on 15 pcs at work02:56
siretartand install this one first: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/j/java-package/java-package_0.24_all.deb02:56
Goshawkand i prefer a prebuild package than a one to compile by myself02:56
siretartGoshawk: you don't compile anything at all02:56
siretartGoshawk: this process just repackages the binaries from sun into an debian binary package. thats all02:57
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siretartGoshawk: you have to do this process only once, then you get your own sun-j2sdk1.5 packages, which you can install on as many installations as you want02:57
siretartthats the only legal way02:57
Goshawkstupid law... i've to convert the same bins to another that is the same to accomplish my work...02:58
Goshawks/another/anothers02:58
siretartno stupid law, stupid sun distribution terms02:59
Goshawk:D this is why i'll never use lookingGlass02:59
Goshawkbtw thanks for the support03:01
siretartyour welcome03:01
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Goshawkbtw same problem with the j2sdk from tower-net.de :D03:07
Goshawkfixed03:14
Goshawknow it works :D03:14
Goshawkit seems to be a common problem03:14
Goshawkbackports and tower-net-de03:14
ograthe tower-net.de package works for me on 3 machines here, out od the box03:15
ogras/od/of03:16
Goshawkogra, for me they don't work, i've to modify a /etc/alternative file03:17
Goshawkogra do: ls -l firefox-javaplugin.so03:17
Goshawkand paste output please03:18
ograGoshawk, i'm not near a i386 currently, sorry03:18
Goshawk$ ls -l mozilla-javaplugin.so03:19
Goshawklrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 58 2005-06-17 22:24 mozilla-javaplugin.so -> /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so03:19
ograbut the just work as the should.... i use several java applet based webpages from them, i'd recognize if java wouldnt work03:19
Goshawkit should be usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so03:19
ograand lease dont modify /etc/alternatives by hand....03:19
Goshawkogra, 1.5 version?03:19
ogrause update-alternatives03:19
ograah, might be 1.403:19
Goshawkogra, too late.. i used a ln -s firefox-javaplugin03:20
Goshawki'm talking about 1.5 version03:20
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ograGoshawk, then do it for the next time, the alternative system is not happy about fiddling manually in it ;)03:21
Goshawkogra, uhm... good! this is why dpkg -S firefox-javaplugin.so can't locate the file03:21
Goshawkbecause it's created by a postinst script...03:22
Goshawk:D03:22
Goshawkthanks ogra03:22
dokoGoshawk, why don't you use the blackdown packages?03:22
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Goshawkdoko, because i had backports enabled (and now also tower)03:23
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Goshawkand because in the wiki, this way is showed as the best03:23
dokoGoshawk, change the wiki ;)03:23
Goshawkor.... fix the package... since many people uses backports03:24
ograGoshawk, the guy doing backports doesnt even provide the source of his packages (which violates the GPL) how sould we fix something we cant look at03:28
siretartok, I just 'fixed up' the zsh-lovers package. Interested souls may check them out at http://siretart.tauware.de/ubuntu-packages/zsh-lovers. upstream has been mailed03:28
Goshawkogra, this is why i'll contact backports people03:29
ograGoshawk, we try to conince him to become a MOTU and open a MOTUBackports team but he refuses to work this tight with us....03:29
siretartogra: btw, was there any progress since the backport meeting?03:29
Goshawkhe? is him only one peson?03:29
Goshawkperson03:29
ograhe wants to do his own thing, but thinks he can use our buildds03:30
Goshawki thought it was a group03:30
siretartGoshawk: he has 2 helpers, but jdong does nearly all the work03:30
ograi think they are three, ut mainly its jdong03:30
ograbut even03:30
Goshawkok... i'll talk with them03:30
Goshawkin hte meantime we should fix the wiki03:30
Goshawknow it's time to go to work for me03:31
siretartogra: in which point did he not agree to ubuntu?03:31
Goshawki'll do that at work (and i'll see if it's a problem of my pc or of all ubuntu hoary systems)03:31
ograsiretart, he doesnt want to become a MOTU03:31
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ograsiretart, without him going through the MOTU process, we'll never be sure these packages have basic QA03:32
siretarthm. thats right03:32
Goshawkecho "became a motu member" >> Goshawk_TODO_list.txt :D03:32
ograand i'm very opposed to just give upload rights to somebody whose packages nobody checks03:32
Goshawksee you guys03:32
ograciao Goshawk :)03:33
siretartcu Goshawk03:33
Goshawkciao Oliver03:33
ogra:)03:33
siretartogra: yeah, but wasn't there also some discussion of implementing some upload target for backports?03:33
ograsiretart, it will be our buildds and our archive03:34
siretartbut then still, only maintainers have upload rights. and without MOTUBackportsTeam, no uploads, no upload targets.. ic03:35
siretartlol. and the backports forum requires registration..03:37
ograheh03:37
siretartuff. and he seems to use plain svn for his archive03:38
siretartwell, I think the problem will solve itself shortly03:38
ograhmm03:39
siretarthrhr. the repoistory sizes 16gb03:39
ograyeps03:39
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Riddellanyone know why dh_install --list-missing doesn't work on some packages?06:08
Riddelldh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --list-missing06:08
Riddellcp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/16x16/apps/karbon.png': No such file or directory06:08
MezAfternoon Riddell06:10
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Riddellyo Mez06:13
Mezah :D keybuk's not going to be happy about this06:14
Mezmez@apathy:~$ fortune debian06:14
Mez<jim> Lemme make sure I'm not wasting time here... bcwhite will remove06:14
Mez      pkgs that havent been fixed that have outstanding bugs of severity06:14
Mez      "important".  True or false?06:14
Mez<JHM> jim: "important" or higher.  True.06:14
Mez<jim> Then we're about to lose ftp.debian.org and dpkg :)06:14
Mez* netgod will miss dpkg -- it was occasionally useful06:14
Mez<Joey> We still have rpm....06:14
Mez        -- Seen on #Debian06:14
ivoksok...2.6.12 is stable06:19
siretartRiddell: did you check that the directory it is supposed to install to actually exists?06:20
Riddellsiretart: in this case it was because the .install file was trying to install something that didn't exist, I'll come back when I next have an error ;)06:24
siretartRiddell: ;)06:24
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Riddellright...06:26
Riddelldh_install --list-missing06:26
Riddellcp: cannot stat `usr/bin/karbon': No such file or directory06:26
Riddelldh_install: command returned error code 25606:26
Riddellbut there is both debian/tmp/usr/bin/karbon and debian/karbon/usr/bin/karbon06:26
dokoRiddell: listed twice?06:32
Riddelldoko: nope, grep usr/bin/krita *install  turns up only 1, and there's no rule for usr/bin/* or anything06:33
ivokshm... is it possible to notify cups when USB/LPT printer is plugged in?06:34
Riddellivoks: ivman could do that06:37
Riddelloh well06:37
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siretartUnfrgiven: ping06:49
siretartUnfrgiven: you have iptraf on the ToReview Page. JeffBailey aready uploaded a 2.7.0-7ubuntu1 package. please check it out, and prepare a ubuntu2 package, if necessary06:51
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ivoksliving on the edge, lol07:03
ivokskernel compiled with gcc407:03
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Riddellah works if I do, dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --list-missing07:28
Riddellshouldn't debian/tmp be the default?07:28
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