| squinn | mdke, how are those minutes coming ^^? lol | 12:10 |
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| squinn | Oh, up, cool. | 12:11 |
| JonA | squinn: On the mainling list, or online? | 12:12 |
| JonA | *mailing | 12:12 |
| squinn | Online, JonA. | 12:12 |
| JonA | squinn: Thanks. | 12:13 |
| squinn | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeamMeetingSummary5 | 12:14 |
| squinn | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeamMeeting20050616 as well | 12:14 |
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| squinn | Welcome back, Seveas. | 12:18 |
| Seveas | ty | 12:18 |
| mdke | ooh is the list back? | 12:30 |
| mdke | on | 12:30 |
| mdke | damn, still nothing | 12:30 |
| Seveas | was just gonna say it ;) | 12:31 |
| Seveas | what's up with the lists anyway? | 12:31 |
| mdke | how are ya Seveas | 12:31 |
| Seveas | not too bad | 12:31 |
| Seveas | been manually compiling C code today (and that means manually writing assembly crap) | 12:32 |
| Seveas | so i'm kinda cooked :) | 12:32 |
| mdke | *grins* | 12:32 |
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| squinn | mdke, sorry I had to leave meeting. I can volunteer for some projects..if I'm neeed. | 12:34 |
| squinn | needed.* | 12:34 |
| mdke | squinn, that is cool. Check out the docteam wiki pages and the archive see what interests you | 12:35 |
| mdke | hi burgs | 12:35 |
| Burgundavia | salut | 12:35 |
| Burgundavia | anyone else got got by NMs cute little bug? | 12:36 |
| mdke | sup? | 12:36 |
| squinn | mdke: In general, I'd be looking at a GNOME Project. Right now, ' | 12:38 |
| squinn | I'm over-abundant on time, so I'm not in a crunch* | 12:38 |
| mdke | squinn, great | 12:43 |
| squinn | mdke, I also just added Install Guide to DocTeam Projects. | 12:44 |
| squinn | Tenatively, I put No Info Page, No Status Page, and No Preview. | 12:44 |
| mdke | ok i see it | 12:45 |
| mdke | cool thanks | 12:45 |
| squinn | Not a problem. | 12:45 |
| squinn | mdke, question | 12:49 |
| squinn | wait, maybe nevermind | 12:50 |
| squinn | mdke, is there a way i can subscribe to all bugs assigned to ubuntu-doc? | 12:53 |
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| mdke | squinn, to be honest we don't tend to use bugs much | 01:24 |
| JonA | mdke: Are you free for me to ask some questions about the GNOME docs? | 01:27 |
| mdke | gimme a bit | 01:30 |
| mdke | JonA, just need to tidy something up | 01:30 |
| mdke | JonA, gonna be around in 15? | 01:30 |
| JonA | No rush :-) | 01:30 |
| JonA | mdke: Yeah. | 01:30 |
| mdke | what time zone is wales in? | 01:30 |
| mdke | :p | 01:30 |
| JonA | GMT, so it's 12:36 am here :-) | 01:36 |
| mdke | here I am! | 01:43 |
| mdke | JonA, i'll try and answer your questions, but I am no expert | 01:44 |
| squinn | JonA? | 01:46 |
| JonA | mdke: They're not really technical questions :-) I was just wondering what would be the best way to go about tackling the GNOME guide. Are there any sections which are flagged for revision, or is there a general consensus (which I've missed) of how it needs to be updated? | 01:46 |
| JonA | squinn: Yo? | 01:46 |
| mdke | JonA, the userguide or quickguide? | 01:46 |
| mdke | for the userguide, essentially the thing is pretty disorganised, there are lots of sections that haven't been written, and others that need revision | 01:48 |
| JonA | The userguide. | 01:48 |
| mdke | for the quickguide, since it was shipped for hoary, its a question of updating, and no plan has yet been done (to my knowledge) about that | 01:48 |
| mdke | aha | 01:48 |
| JonA | Should I just grep around for authorblurb sections and see what I find? | 01:48 |
| mdke | JonA, if you feel up to starting to write sections that are not yet done at all, that would be awesome | 01:49 |
| mdke | JonA, ideally sections get marked with "done/to revise" etc but the problem is that different authors have different ideas about when that stage is reached ;) | 01:50 |
| mdke | the userguide is so young right now that i don't think we need to worry too much | 01:50 |
| mdke | it ALL needs revision ;) | 01:50 |
| mdke | in general, the earlier sections are better done than the later ones | 01:50 |
| JonA | mdke: Right, I guess I'll have a stab at some of the sections which haven't been started. | 01:51 |
| mdke | that would be awesome | 01:51 |
| mdke | JonA, couple of things to bear in mind are that there is plenty of info to draw on in the wiki/forums, and that the user target of the guide is beginner | 01:51 |
| mdke | otherwise, run amok | 01:52 |
| mdke | JonA, you can open the xml files in yelp to read through what is already there | 01:52 |
| JonA | Okay, well, I'll try to write a couple of sections tomorrow and get a patch up. If I'm doing anything terribly wrong, I'll find out early. | 01:52 |
| mdke | yep | 01:52 |
| mdke | if you follow the basic procedure you won't go wrong | 01:53 |
| JonA | mdke: Yeah, I've checked it all out and I've been playing about, seems simple enough. | 01:53 |
| mdke | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamStepByStepRepository is good | 01:53 |
| mdke | if you validate and check your work visually as described there, you are good to go | 01:54 |
| squinn | mdke, I think I'll work [lead if needed] on the About Ubuntu page | 01:54 |
| mdke | squinn, cool | 01:55 |
| mdke | hopefully not a lot will change for breezy so that document will just need updating | 01:55 |
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| mdke | when the mailing list is sorted we can start organising that stuff | 01:58 |
| mdke | hi gepatino | 01:59 |
| gepatino | hi | 01:59 |
| gepatino | just looking | 01:59 |
| mdke | welcome :D | 01:59 |
| gepatino | i'd like to help somehow in the ubuntu project | 02:00 |
| mdke | cool! | 02:00 |
| gepatino | right now i dont have much time | 02:00 |
| gepatino | but i'd like to know what options do i have to help | 02:01 |
| mdke | ooh lots of things | 02:02 |
| mdke | you can contribute to the documentation writing project in our archive or on the wiki, or help people on the forums, or help people here in irc in #ubuntu | 02:02 |
| mdke | or on the mailing list | 02:03 |
| gepatino | i've been helping with translations into spanish (my primary language) | 02:03 |
| mdke | thats another great way | 02:03 |
| gepatino | but it's almost anything already translated :) | 02:03 |
| mdke | do you work with the spanish locoteam to get translations done? | 02:04 |
| gepatino | no, i've just entered in the rosetta site and translate when i have some free time | 02:05 |
| mdke | before breezy there will be lots of documentation to be translated :) | 02:05 |
| mdke | ah good idea | 02:05 |
| gepatino | mmm sounds good | 02:05 |
| mdke | gepatino, some of our existing documentation is in rosetta | 02:05 |
| mdke | but hopefully lots more will be for Breezy | 02:07 |
| gepatino | should i belong to the spanish translation group to make my stranslations effective? | 02:08 |
| gepatino | i've applied to that group, by haven't got any answer yet | 02:09 |
| mdke | no no | 02:09 |
| mdke | all translations in rosetta are effective | 02:09 |
| gepatino | ok, i'll take a look again in rosseta | 02:10 |
| gepatino | thanks for your time | 02:11 |
| mdke | any time | 02:11 |
| gepatino | see you | 02:11 |
| mdke | yeah | 02:11 |
| mdke | bye! | 02:11 |
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| mdke | night all | 02:23 |
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| gtaylor | howdy | 08:22 |
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| froud | African greetings | 08:34 |
| robitaille | Canadian Greetings | 08:44 |
| robitaille | a lot of interesting discussions on the channel in the last 24 hours. I finally went throught the backlogs earlier today | 08:46 |
| froud | Ah yes | 08:46 |
| froud | very interesting | 08:46 |
| froud | how do you feel about them? | 08:46 |
| froud | Its ok if you think I am totally out of wack, honest | 08:47 |
| froud | morn gtaylor | 08:47 |
| froud | morn JonA | 08:48 |
| froud | Burgundavia: | 08:48 |
| robitaille | personally I think it makes sense to do everytnig in xml, and from that source produce in whatever format is needed for packaging. | 08:48 |
| froud | Hmm is lists.u.c is still not working | 08:49 |
| froud | robitaille: OK | 08:49 |
| robitaille | still down. It's getting a bit annoying. They filled up a hard drive many hours ago; I wonder why it hasn't been cleared yet | 08:49 |
| froud | I guess it takes time | 08:50 |
| robitaille | Maybe they will rush in the transition to the new lists.ubuntu.com that was supposed to be done shortly anyway. | 08:50 |
| froud | maybe | 08:50 |
| robitaille | system problems often occurs on Friday nights :) | 08:50 |
| froud | I see the logs are also stuck | 08:51 |
| froud | yeah, typical | 08:51 |
| froud | robitaille: are you now setup and ready for work? I cant remember | 08:51 |
| robitaille | yes. I just haven't found the time yet. But I have been pulling in updated stuff from the repo from time to time to look at them. So I'm all setup; I just need to get myself in gear to do something :) | 08:53 |
| froud | :-) yeah | 08:53 |
| froud | sometimes that can take time | 08:53 |
| froud | we need you to do a few god patches | 08:53 |
| froud | good | 08:53 |
| froud | then we can get you a commit account | 08:54 |
| robitaille | And I still want to sit down to read that Docbook Guide you sent earlier. | 08:54 |
| froud | Which Bob Staytons book? | 08:54 |
| robitaille | yes | 08:54 |
| froud | Oh most excellent | 08:54 |
| froud | I think everybody on the team should read it | 08:55 |
| froud | but its a big book, lots to undersatnd | 08:55 |
| froud | Bokker tov sivang | 08:55 |
| froud | robitaille: but that should notstop you from writing | 08:56 |
| froud | if you know what it is you want to write that is:-) | 08:56 |
| robitaille | I know. The guide is for my personal learning enjoyment. I had no idea about all these documentation things only a few weeks ago; and I have been working with computers for years. | 08:57 |
| froud | JonA: if you have time I can help you get setup | 08:57 |
| robitaille | Once I have a good knowledge base, I want to push a more organized way of doing docs at my workplace. | 08:58 |
| froud | yeah, docbook is a blessing and a curse all the same | 08:58 |
| froud | robitaille: workplace | 08:59 |
| robitaille | I'm back (one of my kid got up). Yes; I work for a research group of the Canadian government, and ours docs are a bit disorganized; some done in text, some done with latex, some with framemaker | 09:02 |
| robitaille | and some in html | 09:02 |
| froud | Ah yes I remember now :-) | 09:03 |
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| _froud | argh split | 09:04 |
| robitaille | we're small enough (~25 staff) that it should be easy to steer the few of us who need to write things in a certain direction..thus the docbook reading | 09:04 |
| froud | yeah, It can work well for the technical docs | 09:05 |
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| JonA | froud: Morning. I've pretty much got myself set up, I think. I've checked out the tree, and I've been playing with making some edits and patches. | 01:36 |
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| mdke | email is now trickling in slowly | 02:38 |
| mdke | squinn, around? | 03:58 |
| squinn | yep, mdke | 05:07 |
| squinn | or..i wasn't lol | 05:07 |
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| mdke | squinn, np i replied on the list | 06:10 |
| robitaille | mdke, to answer your question in your email about the minutes to the last doc meeting and where they should be sent, you should just ask mako to give you access to -news. He did that semi-recently with dholbach for the MOTO reports. | 06:23 |
| mdke | robitaille, i mentioned it to him yesterday, i'm not sure if he is gonna post it himself | 06:23 |
| robitaille | maybe this time...but in the future you probably want to do it yourself. He is so busy, it's probably the best way for the emails to be sent in a timely manner | 06:25 |
| mdke | yes | 06:25 |
| mdke | I would have thought he would say that | 06:25 |
| mdke | we'll see what he thinks | 06:25 |
| robitaille | and of course all these reports will one day be available on "The Fridge" :) | 06:26 |
| mdke | hmm | 06:27 |
| mdke | i need to check that out | 06:27 |
| mdke | is there a testing project? or just the spec | 06:27 |
| robitaille | it's still mostly a spec. jdub has a live site going on his own server, but it's still pretty basic, and a work in progress. | 06:33 |
| robitaille | it's nice to finally have e-mails back from the lists :) | 06:33 |
| mdke | have you got a url for it? | 06:34 |
| jdub | if you post to -news, mako or i will moderate it through | 06:34 |
| jdub | mdke: it's not public yet | 06:34 |
| mdke | jdub, ok cool | 06:34 |
| mdke | jdub, is -news the appropriate list? | 06:35 |
| jdub | sure | 06:35 |
| mdke | ok | 06:36 |
| mdke | thanks :) | 06:36 |
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| squinn | mdke, I'm here. | 07:54 |
| mdke | squinn, hi | 07:55 |
| squinn | hey | 07:55 |
| squinn | mdke, you were looking for me earlier/ | 08:08 |
| mdke | squinn, yes, I replied on the list :) | 08:09 |
| squinn | ah, ok, lemme take a look | 08:11 |
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| buzzle | hey everyone | 08:17 |
| squinn | Hey buzzle | 08:18 |
| buzzle | im having trouble connecting to my lan in ubuntu | 08:18 |
| buzzle | suggestions? | 08:19 |
| buzzle | using wireless | 08:19 |
| squinn | hm | 08:22 |
| squinn | i'd suggest #ubuntu | 08:22 |
| squinn | but h/o a sec | 08:22 |
| buzzle | just found it | 08:22 |
| buzzle | thank you | 08:22 |
| squinn | oh ok | 08:23 |
| squinn | enjoy buzzle | 08:23 |
| buzzle | thank you :] | 08:23 |
| squinn | yeah, be specific' | 08:24 |
| squinn | what card..what drivers..that kinda stuff | 08:24 |
| buzzle | i see | 08:24 |
| squinn | buzzle, because some one who has no idea of the card can't give help | 08:24 |
| buzzle | i guess i was looking for basic set up info to start with | 08:25 |
| buzzle | its not so much that my card is being an issue yet, as i cant figure out a basic set up to even see | 08:25 |
| squinn | ah ok | 08:25 |
| squinn | mdke, i don't see it? | 08:25 |
| squinn | i did get two messages from ubuntu-doc thouhg | 08:25 |
| squinn | ubuntu-doc-bounces ?! | 08:26 |
| froud | Hmmm, where can I post a document on the xml or html debate? | 08:33 |
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| mdke | froud, mailing list | 08:34 |
| mdke | squinn, are you subscribed to the mailing list? | 08:35 |
| froud | is it working | 08:35 |
| mdke | yes | 08:35 |
| mdke | squinn, its definitely there (http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2005-June/002583.html). perhaps you are not subscribed | 08:36 |
| mdke | froud, it is definitely working | 08:37 |
| froud | yes I just tested, thanks | 08:37 |
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| gtaylor | aroo | 08:43 |
| squinn | I saw it finally, mdke. | 08:44 |
| squinn | On web..thanks. | 08:45 |
| squinn | Here comes my confirmation email from mailing list. | 08:45 |
| squinn | I was subscribed, but not approved yet, I believe. | 08:45 |
| squinn | mdke, thanks i'm fixing patch now | 08:47 |
| gtaylor | Looks like things have been busy this weekend | 08:47 |
| squinn | gtaylor, yeah. yesterday, seemed like lists were off or i just didn't get them | 08:50 |
| squinn | so i'm extra busy now | 08:50 |
| mdke | lists were down yesterday | 08:50 |
| mdke | hey gtaylor | 08:51 |
| squinn | mdke, question | 08:51 |
| squinn | is it possible to have all mail previously [for example: all conversations in the month of june] sent to list sent to my inbox? | 08:52 |
| mdke | not as emails, but you can get them in a news reader | 08:53 |
| mdke | http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.doc/ | 08:53 |
| squinn | ah okay | 08:53 |
| mdke | or can you just view them in a browser from that link | 08:54 |
| squinn | right ok | 08:54 |
| squinn | like how i read your mail | 08:54 |
| squinn | mdke, proofread the patch, sending now | 09:02 |
| mdke | cool | 09:02 |
| squinn | sent | 09:04 |
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| Njal | Lo | 09:04 |
| squinn | hey Njal | 09:07 |
| Njal | I was on here yesterday seeing how i might be able to try to help with the documentation project | 09:07 |
| squinn | Well, I' | 09:08 |
| squinn | I'm not in charge, but I think I am [hehe] | 09:08 |
| squinn | What would you want to work with? | 09:09 |
| froud | hey Njal | 09:09 |
| squinn | Again, I'm not in charge..I'm just curious. | 09:09 |
| Njal | froud told me that i would need setting up with the cvs system you use | 09:09 |
| squinn | svn | 09:09 |
| squinn | subversion, yes. | 09:09 |
| Njal | yup | 09:09 |
| squinn | I don't even think I've set mine up. | 09:09 |
| Njal | i presume i apt-get it? | 09:09 |
| squinn | Unless that's StepByStep thing was setting it up | 09:09 |
| squinn | apt-get install subversion does the binaries yes | 09:09 |
| froud | Njal: read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamStepByStepRepository | 09:10 |
| squinn | Oh, I did set it up then. :D | 09:11 |
| squinn | hey, froud, can you do me a favor? | 09:11 |
| froud | yep | 09:12 |
| squinn | proofread the patch i just sent out on list | 09:12 |
| froud | Njal: you should install xsltproc | 09:12 |
| froud | will do, was it applied | 09:12 |
| squinn | no | 09:12 |
| squinn | mdke said it was pretty much there, just had to change a few things | 09:12 |
| froud | Ok | 09:12 |
| squinn | I'm with Njal as well, in the n00b boat. | 09:13 |
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| froud | Ok will look at it | 09:13 |
| squinn | Thanks froud | 09:14 |
| froud | squinn: Njal: hav eyou both installed xsltproc | 09:14 |
| froud | you also need to ensure docbook is installed | 09:14 |
| froud | as well as docbook-xsl | 09:15 |
| squinn | yes, all three installed here | 09:15 |
| froud | install also poxml from kdesdk | 09:15 |
| squinn | ironically, just installed docbook-xsl..and okay | 09:15 |
| froud | see also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForTheHasty | 09:16 |
| squinn | there, froud | 09:18 |
| froud | yes | 09:18 |
| froud | just about to read your patch | 09:18 |
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| squinn | ok | 09:20 |
| squinn | welcome back Njal | 09:20 |
| Njal | thanks net just died for some reason | 09:20 |
| Njal | ok subvesion is now installed | 09:21 |
| Njal | subversion | 09:22 |
| Njal | how do i use it? Never had to use a versioning system before | 09:23 |
| mdke | the instructions on the wiki page froud posted should help a lot | 09:23 |
| Njal | kk | 09:23 |
| froud | squinn: patch applied | 09:36 |
| froud | thanks | 09:36 |
| froud | squinn: did you ask questions about LearnLinux? | 09:37 |
| squinn | No. | 09:38 |
| squinn | That's another Sean | 09:38 |
| squinn | I'm Sean D. Quinn | 09:38 |
| squinn | There's some Sean C. something | 09:38 |
| froud | sorry we now have three Seans, me included | 09:38 |
| squinn | Yep. | 09:38 |
| squinn | froud, I don't understand the second message I was supposed to /ignore | 09:42 |
| froud | yes I fix the things in the first patch | 09:42 |
| froud | and applied &kubuntu-download; and refer to main | 09:42 |
| squinn | ah ok works better | 09:47 |
| squinn | thanks | 09:47 |
| froud | np | 09:48 |
| froud | squinn: what are you going to work on? | 09:48 |
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| froud | Njal: how's it going | 09:50 |
| Njal | finally back | 09:50 |
| Njal | good | 09:51 |
| froud | how far did you get | 09:51 |
| Njal | I got subversion installed | 09:51 |
| froud | ok | 09:51 |
| froud | di you get a checkout | 09:51 |
| Njal | I was also pointed to the wiki for further instruction | 09:51 |
| froud | ok | 09:52 |
| froud | you want to go through it | 09:52 |
| Njal | yes as im still not quite sure how to use a versioning system | 09:53 |
| froud | ok in your home dir do svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos ubuntu-doc | 09:53 |
| froud | hold | 09:54 |
| froud | in your home dir do svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc | 09:54 |
| froud | this will create a directory called ubuntu-doc/ | 09:54 |
| Njal | it didn't | 09:54 |
| froud | it will add a working copy of the files in trunk to this folder | 09:55 |
| Njal | oh wait | 09:55 |
| froud | give it time | 09:55 |
| froud | the first checkout is big | 09:55 |
| Njal | it was asking me to accept something like a cookie that's why i didn't see it doing anything | 09:55 |
| Njal | it wasn't a cookie | 09:55 |
| froud | are you in a shell session | 09:55 |
| Njal | yes | 09:55 |
| Njal | bash | 09:56 |
| froud | ok select to permanently add it | 09:56 |
| Njal | I did do, it was a case of not reading something carefully | 09:56 |
| froud | ok | 09:56 |
| froud | give it a minute and you will see may lines starting with A | 09:56 |
| Njal | MMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY is right | 09:57 |
| froud | OK that is the working copy downloading to the ubuntu-doc folder | 09:57 |
| Njal | lotsa .pngs though | 09:57 |
| froud | yes | 09:57 |
| Njal | So lemmie just get my heard around this | 09:58 |
| Njal | head | 09:58 |
| froud | ok | 09:58 |
| froud | what you are copying to your disk is a copy of the code we all collaborate on | 09:59 |
| Njal | I am downloading everything that has ever been done on the documentation project, and like all other versioning systems only one person can work on one file at any one time? | 09:59 |
| froud | not quite | 09:59 |
| Njal | ok | 09:59 |
| froud | you are copying the HEAD version | 09:59 |
| Njal | Whats that then? | 09:59 |
| froud | that is the current revision | 09:59 |
| Njal | ok | 10:00 |
| froud | each of us has a copy | 10:00 |
| froud | we hack our local copies | 10:00 |
| froud | then we upload to the repository | 10:00 |
| froud | if you have a commit account then you do this directly using the svn commit command | 10:00 |
| froud | if you dont then you create a patch | 10:01 |
| Njal | Ok am lost now | 10:01 |
| froud | and send it to our mailing list | 10:01 |
| froud | Ok where did I lose your | 10:01 |
| froud | you | 10:01 |
| Njal | the commit account bit | 10:01 |
| froud | OK you dont have one at present | 10:01 |
| Njal | no | 10:01 |
| froud | but if you are serious and give us a few patches we will arrange an account for you | 10:02 |
| froud | until then you will be expected to create patches | 10:02 |
| froud | I will lead you through this procedure | 10:02 |
| froud | when the checkout is complete | 10:02 |
| froud | I will also show you how to update your working copy or sync it with the repos | 10:03 |
| Njal | Ok so if i submit enough work to make it worthwhile giving me an account i get one, until then i just submit, the hacked local copies via email? | 10:03 |
| froud | yes | 10:03 |
| Njal | ok it's starting to make sense | 10:03 |
| froud | how's that checkout doing, is it finished | 10:03 |
| Njal | not yet | 10:04 |
| Njal | onto the gnome stuff now | 10:04 |
| froud | OK | 10:04 |
| Njal | How do i edit these local copies? | 10:04 |
| froud | I will explain it | 10:04 |
| Njal | ... in good time :P | 10:04 |
| Njal | Ok best way really | 10:04 |
| froud | I take it you are new to this and have also never used docbook | 10:05 |
| froud | but dont worry | 10:05 |
| froud | its easier than it sounds | 10:05 |
| froud | just takes the will from you to learn it | 10:05 |
| Njal | yes, this is all very new to me, to be honest i think i am trying to find my place in the community | 10:05 |
| froud | what is your background | 10:05 |
| Njal | i have just finished a Diploma in IT practitoners (software dev), and am going on to learn networking/networked programing (software dev and deployment accross networks) | 10:06 |
| Njal | But | 10:07 |
| froud | anyone can contribute to the docs, but knowing their background can help us in pointing you to work | 10:07 |
| Njal | I'm not that good at programming yet | 10:07 |
| froud | Ok so you have technical knowledge | 10:07 |
| froud | hows your knowledge of Linux | 10:07 |
| Njal | Historically i think it's reasonably good, but the working of it, getting there, still trying to learn how to recompile a kernel, just for the experience | 10:08 |
| froud | I think you will do just fine | 10:08 |
| Njal | thanks | 10:09 |
| froud | doing docs is a great way to learn | 10:09 |
| froud | I think we are all learning in one way or another | 10:09 |
| Njal | I can see how it would be | 10:09 |
| Njal | The more i learn the more i realise i know nothing | 10:09 |
| froud | :-) yeah | 10:10 |
| Njal | Checked out revision 1184. | 10:10 |
| froud | beautiful | 10:10 |
| froud | ok just gimme a sec b 4 we go on | 10:10 |
| Njal | sure thing | 10:10 |
| froud | Ok have you subscribed to the commit list? | 10:12 |
| froud | http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc-commits | 10:12 |
| froud | Njal: ? | 10:13 |
| Njal | not yet am going there now | 10:13 |
| froud | Ok let me know when you have confirmed your subscription | 10:14 |
| Njal | is this a mailing list... of sorts? | 10:15 |
| froud | yes | 10:15 |
| froud | each time one of the members with a commit account adds something to the repos it will send out an email message | 10:16 |
| froud | you never post to this list, only get stuff from it | 10:16 |
| froud | you will see what I mean once you have subscribed | 10:16 |
| froud | have you? | 10:16 |
| froud | let me know when done, I need to know so I can demo for you | 10:17 |
| Njal | i am now subscribed | 10:18 |
| froud | you confirmed your subscription? | 10:18 |
| Njal | yup | 10:18 |
| froud | ok I am now going to make a commit | 10:19 |
| froud | I am just commenting out a peice of code that is not critical | 10:19 |
| froud | OK I did the commit. Refresh your mail client | 10:20 |
| Njal | Modified: | 10:20 |
| Njal | trunk/kde/kquickguide/C/kquickguide.xml | 10:20 |
| froud | OK that message shows you what ws changed | 10:20 |
| froud | this list is useful because it lets you know when things change in the repos | 10:21 |
| froud | when someting changes in the repos you must update your working copy | 10:21 |
| froud | so | 10:21 |
| froud | are you in your home dir? | 10:21 |
| froud | if not do cd ~ | 10:21 |
| froud | then do cd ubuntu-doc | 10:21 |
| froud | now issue the command svn up | 10:22 |
| Njal | yup sync'd | 10:23 |
| froud | Ok now you know how to get updates from the repos | 10:23 |
| Njal | just svn up? | 10:23 |
| Njal | when i get an email? | 10:23 |
| froud | yep | 10:23 |
| froud | yep | 10:23 |
| froud | easy | 10:23 |
| Njal | ok i think i can manage that | 10:23 |
| froud | right next | 10:23 |
| Njal | yes? | 10:24 |
| froud | areyou using gnome or kde? | 10:24 |
| Njal | gnome | 10:24 |
| froud | OK I want you to now edit a file | 10:24 |
| froud | to do this | 10:24 |
| Njal | yes? | 10:24 |
| froud | cd kde/kquickguide/C | 10:25 |
| froud | ls | 10:25 |
| froud | kquickguide.xml | 10:25 |
| froud | you see the file I updated | 10:26 |
| froud | do gedit kquickguide.xml | 10:26 |
| froud | This will open the file in gedit | 10:26 |
| froud | at the top of the file you will see this | 10:27 |
| Njal | yup i know that | 10:27 |
| froud | <!--<subtitle> | 10:27 |
| froud | <inlinemediaobject> | 10:27 |
| froud | <imageobject> | 10:27 |
| froud | <imagedata | 10:27 |
| froud | fileref="../../images/&language;/kubuntu-final.png" | 10:27 |
| froud | format="PNG"/> | 10:27 |
| froud | </imageobject> | 10:27 |
| froud | </inlinemediaobject> | 10:27 |
| froud | </subtitle>--> | 10:27 |
| Njal | yes i see the bits you mean? | 10:27 |
| Njal | mean | 10:27 |
| froud | I want you to delete the <!-- at the begining and the --> at the end | 10:28 |
| froud | then save | 10:28 |
| Njal | done | 10:28 |
| Njal | svn commit by chance? | 10:28 |
| froud | Ok close gedit | 10:28 |
| froud | no | 10:29 |
| Njal | ok | 10:29 |
| froud | you dont have a commit account yet ;-) | 10:29 |
| froud | when you do then yes | 10:29 |
| froud | svn diff kquickguide.xml > kquickguide.xml.diff | 10:29 |
| froud | then ls | 10:29 |
| froud | ls | 10:29 |
| froud | kquickguide.xml kquickguide.xml.diff | 10:29 |
| Njal | yup its created a diff(erences?) file? | 10:30 |
| froud | exactly send me that to sean@inwords.co.za | 10:30 |
| froud | in future however you will send it to the docteam user list | 10:30 |
| froud | did you send it | 10:31 |
| Njal | Yes | 10:31 |
| Njal | Just this second | 10:31 |
| froud | OK now when Iget it I will apply it | 10:32 |
| froud | and you will svn up again | 10:32 |
| Njal | are all the doc's in .xml? | 10:32 |
| froud | yes | 10:32 |
| froud | docbook | 10:32 |
| Njal | Coz i don't know xml | 10:32 |
| Njal | :( | 10:32 |
| froud | that's also OK | 10:33 |
| froud | you will learn | 10:33 |
| froud | follow the markup around you | 10:33 |
| froud | I will track your patches and make fixes to the sematic | 10:33 |
| Njal | That's the thing i don't understand much of the markup languages | 10:33 |
| froud | over time you will get to know it | 10:33 |
| froud | OK so you can do reading at http;//www.docbook.org | 10:34 |
| froud | and we will help you | 10:34 |
| froud | really it is not that hard | 10:34 |
| froud | ;-) | 10:34 |
| froud | you just edited a file and sent it to me | 10:35 |
| froud | now if I had applied the patch, you would get an email from the commit list | 10:35 |
| Njal | Yes i understand the transfer of files etc, it's xml i don't understand, i will have a look at this site though | 10:35 |
| froud | and you just cd to ubuntu-doc/ and do svn up | 10:35 |
| froud | dont worry about the xml | 10:36 |
| froud | you just worry about writing and do your best with the xml | 10:36 |
| froud | we will fix it | 10:36 |
| mdke | well... | 10:36 |
| mdke | its a good idea to learn as you go | 10:36 |
| Njal | Im sorry i miss the writing principle here, let me look at that edited file | 10:36 |
| froud | sure, take a look at the markup, it will make sense | 10:37 |
| mdke | Njal, but its easy, you'll pick it up by playing with the files, and checking them after you edit with the validate script and visually, as described in the wiki document | 10:37 |
| froud | most of the tags are natural | 10:37 |
| Njal | Ok so we have content, i presume that it's meant to be viewed in a webbrowser? | 10:37 |
| froud | Njal: mdke is right | 10:37 |
| froud | no | 10:37 |
| Njal | ok | 10:38 |
| froud | Njal: XML is presentation neutral | 10:38 |
| froud | however, I think you will find that Yelp is a good help for you at this point | 10:38 |
| mdke | it can be made into many things, html, pdf, or stay as it is to be viewed by certain clients | 10:38 |
| froud | so I would like you to do yelp kquickguide.xml | 10:38 |
| Njal | So | 10:38 |
| Njal | Xml is umm.. clay | 10:39 |
| Njal | that can be moulded into whatever | 10:39 |
| mdke | :) | 10:39 |
| froud | ;-) one way to see it | 10:39 |
| froud | Njal: did you yelp the file? | 10:40 |
| Njal | Yeah i really need to grasp what happening before i try anything, so we write an xml file that gets turned into a usefull file | 10:40 |
| Njal | no | 10:40 |
| Njal | working on it | 10:40 |
| froud | Ok tak eyour time | 10:40 |
| froud | you cant break anything | 10:40 |
| froud | so dont be afraid of it | 10:40 |
| froud | and i you edit a file and think you have really botched it | 10:41 |
| Njal | So yelp presents the xml file in a human readable way? | 10:41 |
| froud | what can you do | 10:41 |
| froud | yes | 10:41 |
| froud | if you both a file then just use the revert command 'svn revert file.xml' | 10:42 |
| Njal | Right, i think the next few days are going te be hello world xml things | 10:42 |
| squinn | ah, i didn't even know that about reverting..thanks froud | 10:42 |
| froud | that will return your working copy file back to the copy in svn | 10:42 |
| froud | squinn: np | 10:42 |
| squinn | froud, now that i'm back from yard work, here's my question | 10:43 |
| froud | Njal: but you will lose any change you made in that file | 10:43 |
| squinn | what can one do to find patchable things? | 10:43 |
| squinn | i mean, sure, i was already working on the about ubuntu guide | 10:43 |
| froud | Hmm, Idont understand? | 10:43 |
| Njal | yeah but if it's botched... | 10:43 |
| squinn | Njal, it goes back to the one from the web | 10:43 |
| froud | Njal: yes exactly | 10:43 |
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| squinn | froud, how can I find things to patch?* | 10:44 |
| froud | squinn: yu mean what can you work on? | 10:44 |
| mdke | squinn, everything needs work | 10:44 |
| squinn | yeah. | 10:44 |
| froud | well we have breezy targets | 10:44 |
| squinn | i mean, that kubuntu thing came upon me while i read and was working on the About Ubuntu guide. | 10:44 |
| mdke | keep reading and you'll find more | 10:44 |
| squinn | froud, true, but those can't be svn commited until breezy's almost ready for release | 10:44 |
| jeffsch | user guide user guide user guide user guide :) | 10:44 |
| squinn | yeah, i noticed some OLD screenshots of user-guide | 10:45 |
| squinn | warty screenshots | 10:45 |
| froud | ;-) jeffsch | 10:45 |
| squinn | yuck, i must update | 10:45 |
| mdke | jeffsch, + | 10:45 |
| jeffsch | howdy folks | 10:45 |
| Njal | Ok another analergy time | 10:45 |
| froud | squinn: we are working towards breezy | 10:45 |
| mdke | squinn, screenshots its probably better to leave until later, so we can get breezy shots | 10:45 |
| froud | squinn: | 10:45 |
| froud | one problem | 10:45 |
| Njal | Im learning C, and you need the #include <stdio.h> deal | 10:45 |
| squinn | i've got another question, i'll ask in a minute | 10:46 |
| Njal | is this <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> the xml equal | 10:46 |
| froud | squinn: you are most likely working with hoary | 10:46 |
| froud | Njal: no | 10:46 |
| froud | Njal: see the doc type decl | 10:46 |
| Njal | right | 10:46 |
| froud | <!DOCTYPE book PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.3//EN" | 10:46 |
| froud | "http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.3/docbookx.dtd" [ | 10:46 |
| froud | squinn: you have hoary on your computer | 10:47 |
| squinn | froud, that is correct. i'm using hoary. | 10:47 |
| froud | squinn: the problem with that is that you can only see what is in hoary | 10:47 |
| froud | so, what to do | 10:47 |
| froud | well if you have another computer you can install hoary and then just change the sources.list to breezy repos | 10:48 |
| froud | and then you us ethat machine to document | 10:48 |
| Njal | Ok well i am going to go for tonight, i've got a fair bit to digest here | 10:48 |
| froud | but | 10:48 |
| froud | Njal: np c ya | 10:48 |
| Njal | bye, and thanks | 10:48 |
| squinn | froud, only one usable computer atm | 10:48 |
| froud | squinn: you can also download the prerelease ISO files | 10:48 |
| froud | then you use something like qemu | 10:49 |
| squinn | ah, good idea | 10:49 |
| squinn | with qemu | 10:49 |
| squinn | do i just... | 10:49 |
| froud | to emulate linux under linux | 10:49 |
| squinn | qemu "livecdorwhateversmartguysatcanonicaldecidetocalltheiso.iso"? | 10:49 |
| froud | Hmm cant remember the commands but see the qemu docs | 10:49 |
| squinn | okay, thanks | 10:49 |
| squinn | man qemu after install? | 10:50 |
| froud | if you get stuck I will type up a tutorial | 10:50 |
| squinn | okay, thanks | 10:50 |
| squinn | with the emulator.. | 10:50 |
| squinn | i can't save or download anything though, right? | 10:50 |
| froud | squinn: the problem with that is that you must wait for prereleases | 10:50 |
| froud | but at least you can do your work | 10:50 |
| squinn | what if | 10:50 |
| squinn | i created some partitions for breezyt | 10:51 |
| froud | for the most part I think you will find that your hoary system is good enough to doucment against | 10:51 |
| froud | squinn: that is up to you | 10:51 |
| squinn | yeah, that user guide for hoary still needs work | 10:51 |
| froud | yes | 10:51 |
| froud | so you just write abook | 10:51 |
| froud | have fun | 10:51 |
| froud | use hoary if you must and as we get closer to breezy we will check it and realign it if needed | 10:52 |
| squinn | well, breezy's what, not until 5.10 | 10:52 |
| froud | yes | 10:52 |
| squinn | it's 5.06 still right now right? | 10:52 |
| squinn | using ubuntu's system of numbers | 10:53 |
| froud | that is why I say that you can use hoary | 10:53 |
| squinn | right | 10:53 |
| froud | many things will be the same | 10:53 |
| mdke | but later to release it will be a good idea to use the breezy development version | 10:53 |
| mdke | so you can see any changes | 10:53 |
| froud | yes | 10:53 |
| froud | mdke: yes | 10:53 |
| squinn | at about 5.08, i think i'll upgrade | 10:53 |
| squinn | and right now, all cvs can take is hoary right | 10:54 |
| squinn | er, svn* | 10:54 |
| mdke | ? | 10:55 |
| mdke | what do you mean by "can take"? | 10:56 |
| squinn | um | 10:56 |
| squinn | all that can be handled by svn is hoary documents | 10:56 |
| squinn | meaning a document written for breezy could not be in svn right now, correct? | 10:56 |
| jeffsch | not correct. anything we work on now is for breezy release | 10:59 |
| squinn | okay | 11:00 |
| squinn | i think i'm starting to understand | 11:00 |
| squinn | but i could still write up say..the user guide..based on hoary..and will update for warty | 11:00 |
| squinn | going back in time | 11:00 |
| squinn | breezy* | 11:00 |
| jeffsch | yes. when we know better what breezy looks like, then we can make any updates/changes | 11:01 |
| jeffsch | it's better to have something to fix, rather than nothing at all | 11:02 |
| squinn | right. | 11:02 |
| squinn | okay, well i'm looking at the quickguide now, i see some errors already | 11:02 |
| squinn | this is quickguide that comes with hoary | 11:02 |
| squinn | not in svn | 11:02 |
| mdke | you have to work in svn | 11:03 |
| mdke | things may have already been changed | 11:03 |
| squinn | i know, i'm doublechecking | 11:03 |
| mdke | squinn, best thing is to ignore the old version | 11:03 |
| squinn | i am lol | 11:05 |
| squinn | svn much better version | 11:05 |
| squinn | yet something i don't like | 11:05 |
| squinn | [possible flood warning] | 11:05 |
| squinn | The top panel contains the | 11:05 |
| squinn | Applications Menu | 11:05 |
| squinn | , | 11:05 |
| squinn | System Menu | 11:05 |
| squinn | , and | 11:05 |
| squinn | Places Menu | 11:05 |
| squinn | and those three titles are huge and brown | 11:05 |
| mdke | squinn, you are free to edit | 11:05 |
| squinn | and it just looks very..off and unprofessional | 11:05 |
| jeffsch | that's yelp's fault | 11:05 |
| mdke | squinn, best thing is to work on it | 11:05 |
| squinn | ah, ok, jeffsch | 11:06 |
| squinn | and alright mdke | 11:06 |
| squinn | if there's a workaround, jeffsch..i'd like to at least try to find one | 11:06 |
| mdke | squinn, that is the least of our worries!! there is much content to sort out | 11:08 |
| jeffsch | the workaround is to not use xrefs with the endterm attribute | 11:08 |
| squinn | for example: user guide | 11:08 |
| squinn | ok | 11:08 |
| froud | hello jeffsch long time no speak | 11:11 |
| jeffsch | froud: howdy dude | 11:11 |
| froud | what you been doing | 11:11 |
| jeffsch | nuthin. honest. i didn't do it. or at least, it's not my fault. | 11:12 |
| froud | :-) | 11:12 |
| jeffsch | :) | 11:12 |
| froud | I was looking at style guide. good stuff dude | 11:13 |
| jeffsch | still a lotta blanks need filling though | 11:13 |
| froud | yep, but I am sure it will be no problem for ppl here | 11:13 |
| froud | just needs some time | 11:13 |
| jeffsch | getting them to follow it once it's done... | 11:14 |
| froud | Hmm, .... | 11:14 |
| jeffsch | maybe the doc leads, or primary contacts can be responsible for implementation | 11:14 |
| froud | doc leads? | 11:15 |
| squinn | leaders on certain doc projects | 11:15 |
| jeffsch | from the meeting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeamMeetingSummary5 | 11:16 |
| froud | I dont think there are any yet. | 11:16 |
| squinn | I intend to lead on About Ubuntu in GNOME | 11:16 |
| froud | mdke: " The install guide is not in the list of projects, this oversight should be corrected ASAP." | 11:16 |
| froud | mdke: the install guide is on th elist | 11:16 |
| mdke | froud, yes, because it was corrected ASAP | 11:17 |
| mdke | doh! | 11:17 |
| froud | Oh OK | 11:17 |
| froud | mdke: are there doc leads? | 11:17 |
| mdke | not yet | 11:18 |
| mdke | some have expressed interest | 11:18 |
| mdke | it needs to be decided via the ML | 11:18 |
| froud | yes saw that | 11:18 |
| mdke | listen I will be back later, am in a -it meeting right now | 11:18 |
| froud | ML? | 11:18 |
| froud | ok | 11:18 |
| jeffsch | ML = mailing list | 11:18 |
| froud | ah | 11:18 |
| froud | k | 11:18 |
| froud | Ok I am off for the night, c ya around | 11:19 |
| jeffsch | later | 11:19 |
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| jeffsch | well i have to get some air... | 11:21 |
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| squinn | heh, i fixed the little style errors | 11:25 |
| squinn | took away the color, they are hyperlinks now..look a lot more professional | 11:25 |
| mdke | squinn, have you read the styleguide? | 11:26 |
| mdke | its important to have consistency throughout our documentation | 11:26 |
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| squinn | yes, mdke i have | 11:42 |
| mdke | cool | 11:42 |
| squinn | I'm going to submit what I just worked on as a patch. | 11:44 |
| squinn | how was your italian meeting? | 11:45 |
| mdke | still going | 11:45 |
| squinn | ah | 11:45 |
| squinn | I'm going to try and become a member. | 11:45 |
| squinn | Probably not now..in a little bit. | 11:46 |
| squinn | I think about a month. | 11:46 |
| squinn | So, mdke do you live in Italy or just speak the language? | 11:47 |
| mdke | just the language | 11:47 |
| squinn | Ah. | 11:48 |
| squinn | That's awesome. | 11:48 |
| squinn | I know a little here and there. | 11:48 |
| squinn | I actually, just gotta send out this patch and head downstairs and help the mom make meatballs. | 11:48 |
| mdke | enjoy :) | 11:49 |
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