[11:04] <JRe> Riddell: kat should be fixed (http://jr.falleri.free.fr/fichiers/kat)
[11:04] <Riddell> JRe: rocking
[11:11] <JRee> wow ten minute black-out :(
[11:12] <Riddell> 10:04 < Riddell> JRe: rocking
[11:12] <JRe> Riddell: ;) thanks!
[01:06] <Riddell> \sh: could you review katapult and kat?
[01:09] <\sh> Riddell: yepp...this evening :)
[01:09] <\sh> ah btw...the usb recognition with kde isn't working
[01:10] <Riddell> \sh: in breezy the media:/ HAL stuff is broken I know
[01:10] <Riddell> maybe I should look at that today
[01:11] <\sh> Riddell: ah ok..so it's hal dbus magic?
[01:11] <Riddell> \sh: could you update your konqueror-shortcuts package to wiki.ubuntu.com
[01:36] <\sh> hmmm
[01:36] <\sh> i can't type under X anymore
[01:47] <Riddell> \sh: I can't even start X any more 
[01:47] <\sh> well, X is starting and in gnome everything works fine
[01:47] <\sh> with KDE ... not keyboard anymore
[01:47] <\sh> I just fixed the links for the XKeysymDB
[01:47] <\sh> and XKB
[03:40] <motaboy> Hi all!
[03:42] <Riddell> hello motaboy 
[03:43] <Riddell> motaboy: fancy reviewing some packages?
[03:43] <motaboy> Riddell: now that I finished the first packaging of koffice I'll start reviewing :D
[03:44] <motaboy> Riddell: I have some printing problems with kde 3.4.1 from breezy
[03:44] <motaboy> Riddell: the preview with kmail, kate and others (not kpdf) is empty e nothing is sent to the printer
[03:44] <motaboy> Riddell: do you have the same problem.
[03:44] <motaboy> ?
[03:46] <JRe> hi motaboy 
[03:46] <uniq> hi guys.
[03:47] <uniq> riddell: got the cds today. thanks :)
[03:47] <motaboy> Hi JRe!
[03:50] <Riddell> motaboy: speedcrunch, katapult, kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts and kat are all wanting review 
[03:51] <Riddell> motaboy: hmm, I confirm on the printing issue
[03:51] <motaboy> Riddell: I haven't tried with kde 3.4.1 with hoary
[03:53] <Riddell> motaboy: I asked bab what he plans for koffice-i18n and he isn't sure but will probably keep 1 large source file, so we'll wait for him to do that
[03:57] <motaboy> Riddell: ok
[03:58] <motaboy> Riddell: do you know if is bab going to update the debian dir of koffice?
[03:58] <Riddell> motaboy: no doubt he will once he's finished the packaging
[04:00] <motaboy> Riddell: good. How these things usually work? he'll take a look at the debian made by me (probably with tons of problem) or he'll just do it's own packaging?
[04:02] <Riddell> motaboy: probably he'll just do it himself, but if he watches breezy changes he might see it when I upload and take a look
[04:05] <uniq> riddell: where are the comments on kio-locate and ipodslave?
[04:06] <Riddell> uniq: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages
[04:07] <uniq> ah.. i was reading MOTUToReview.. thanks.
[04:11] <JRe> motaboy: abakus has not yet been reviewed ?
[04:12] <Riddell> the big question is abakus or speedcrunch for breezy?
[04:13] <Riddell> (KOffice vs OpenOffice being the little question)
[04:13] <motaboy> JRe: I think abakus was already reviewed and accepted for hoary, but it was lost as hoary was freezed in that period.
[04:13] <JRe> Riddell: i think may be abaKus is more advanced, but speedcrunch will be turned into real kde apps
[04:14] <JRe> motaboy: okay!
[04:14] <JRe> Riddell: so it's not easy to decide
[04:15] <JRe> Riddell: OpenOffice - KOffice is not an easy choice too ;)
[04:21] <JRe> motaboy: ping me when you will have packageed the 0.80.2 abaKus i am impatient to try it ;) !
[04:23] <JRe> ow there is some words about speedcrunch on abakus homepage
[04:27] <Riddell> motaboy: metabar reviewed, looks good
[04:27] <Riddell> \sh: please review metabar too
[04:27] <JRe> Riddell: katapult typo fixed
[04:28] <\sh> Riddell, noted
[04:30] <Riddell> JRe: woo :)
[04:31] <Riddell> JRe: any reason to use your package over other one for KRecipies?
[04:31] <\sh> Riddell, for kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts i fixed the issues...even the bugs <-> bug thing
[04:32] <Riddell> \sh: cool :)
[04:32] <Riddell> \sh: you can probably upload kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts now
[04:32] <JRe> Riddell: the only difference is that i have separated recipes from kreceipe (arch-indep and arch-dep package) so if the author plan to furnish more recipe with krecipe may be it can be usefull (but it's not so important there is only 1mb of recipe now)
[04:32] <\sh> Riddell, i need at least 2 others
[04:33] <Riddell> \sh: me and motaboy and you makes 3
[04:33] <\sh> Riddell, i can't review my own package ;)
[04:34] <Riddell> don't see why not
[04:35] <Riddell> who else can we get?
[04:35] <\sh> hmmm...where is motaboy? ,-)
[04:35] <\sh> he should write his name on the wiki page ;)
[04:36] <\sh> i will ask ogra, he will kill me, but it's worth a try ;)
[04:36] <Riddell> \sh: he /msg'ed me that it was fine, motaboy: can you add approval to wiki please
[04:36] <motaboy> Riddell: yes. I'll add it. 
[04:38] <\sh> i want to try joerg schilings opensolaris distri :)
[04:45] <motaboy> Eheh. A news said that the gentoo creator started working for Microsoft.
[04:45] <JRe> \sh: i'am looking at kwin-style-qinx. may be you can add the copyright in the copyright file like Copyright (c) 2002-2004 David Johnson <david@usermode.org>
[04:45] <JRe> \sh: under license file
[04:46] <JRe> motaboy: yeah i have read that! in the nwes thay also say that miguel de icaza was looking for the job!
[04:46] <\sh> JRe, isn't it on top?
[04:47] <JRe> \sh: no there is the name of the upstream author without the copyright, no ?
[04:47] <\sh> jre: note it on the wiki please, i will have a look directly when I'm at home
[04:48] <JRe> \sh: okay i'll note that. i'll note also that you can remove the dirs file
[04:48] <\sh> JRe, riddell did that :)
[04:48] <JRe> \sh: ow okay ;) ;) ;)
[04:51] <\sh> ok...preparing to go home
[05:11] <JRe> \sh: okay i have added also a review for njam
[05:31] <motaboy> Riddell: for kdebluetooth there's libqobex that is installed on the system as shared library. I don't think that any other project is using it. Should i package it as any other library or it's ok to keep it in the same deb of the programs?
[05:32] <Riddell> motaboy: it should be a separate package
[05:32] <motaboy> Riddell: ok.
[05:47] <\sh> riddell: where is metabar located?
[05:51] <JRe> \sh: metabar: http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~motaboy/ubuntu/breezy/
[05:52] <\sh> JRe, thx
[05:58] <\sh> review of metabar started ;)
[06:01] <JRe> \sh: hehe ;)
[06:06] <\sh> dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libkatapultcatalog.so.0
[06:07] <JRe> \sh: that is not metabar ;)
[06:07] <\sh> katapult ;)
[06:08] <JRe> \sh: it's strange i don't have this warning when i run lintian
[06:10] <\sh> JRe, it's in my pbuilder
[06:10] <\sh> JRe, u override linitian 
[06:11] <JRe> \sh: ow yes ;)
[06:12] <\sh> but what about something like DEB_SHLIBDEPS_LIBRARY_arkrpg := libfoo
[06:12] <\sh> DEB_SHLIBDEPS_INCLUDE_arkrpg := debian/libfoo/usr/lib/
[06:14] <JRe> \sh: sorry i have to go! i see you tomorow!
[06:14] <\sh> JRe,  i will try it out and write something
[06:15] <JRe> \sh: okay, thanks a lot ;) !
[06:42] <\sh> ok...katapult reviewed
[06:42] <\sh> and fixed ;)
[06:48] <\sh> next is metabar
[06:59] <\sh> metabar checked, riddell mentioned already everything -> after that ok for me
[07:30] <uniq> riddell: did you look at the new(est) kbandwidth package? (12 jun) 
[07:31] <Riddell> uniq: doing so now
[07:32] <uniq> great. i'm fixing kio-locate now.
[07:33] <Riddell> uniq: probably best not to use "DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_DEBIAN_CONTROL := yes" 
[07:34] <uniq> ok.
[07:43] <Riddell> uniq: couple more changes for kbandwidth at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages
[07:43] <uniq> k.
[08:16] <uniq> riddell: as for kio-locate changing the version to 0.4.2-0ubuntu1 would be a 'downgrade' from what's already in the changelog.. do we want that? 
[08:16] <uniq> (ref. your comment on MOTUNewPackages)
[08:17] <Riddell> uniq: I think we do since the debian version is unreleased isn't it?
[08:17] <Riddell> but might be an idea to check in #ubuntu-motu
[08:18] <uniq> it's not in debian.. it's upstream.
[08:18] <uniq> ok.. i'll do that.
[08:41] <uniq> riddell: new kio-locate uploaded.
[08:43] <\sh> isn't uniq a motu?
[08:44] <uniq> nop.
[08:44] <uniq> he is not.
[08:44] <\sh> grmpf...I need one more for k-k-s
[08:44] <uniq> heh.. well.. i don't have much time right now.. :/
[08:45] <Riddell> \sh: try poking amu or haggai 
[08:45] <uniq> have two psychology papers i should be writing.. and i'm changing jobs..
[08:46] <uniq> k-k-s? 
[08:46] <Riddell> kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[08:46] <uniq> ah.
[08:47] <Riddell> uniq: need to rm -r cache with kio-locate
[08:47] <Riddell> on clean
[08:51] <uniq> fixed. and new diff/dsc/orig uploaded.
[08:54] <Riddell> uniq: "rm: cannot remove `./cache/': No such file or directory"
[08:54] <Riddell> uniq: needs to be  rm -rf cache
[08:54] <Riddell> my fault that
[08:54] <uniq> just got the error myself.
[08:54] <uniq> fixing.
[08:56] <uniq> uploaded.. with 'rm -rf cache'
[08:57] <uniq> new kbandwidth uploaded.
[09:17] <froud-writing> Riddell: you about?
[09:20] <froud-writing> ppl I am looking for a way that ubuntu-doc team can work on a Kubuntu Guide in SVN. I would like to have a vendor drop of KDE docs (already checkout local) in svn and make copy of it to trunk where people will write. changes that apply upstream will be merged back to the vendor/ and pushed upstream. Does anyone have any ideas on how I can accomplish it?
[09:27] <\sh> Riddell, will it fix my kxdb problem? ,-)
[09:31] <\sh> hoi motaboy
[09:32] <motaboy> hi \sh 
[09:33] <\sh> motaboy, metabar reviewed, fix hoary -> breezy :) and then find a 3rd motu :)
[09:33] <motaboy> \sh: fixing now. thanks!
[09:35] <\sh> riddell: kdesktop is freezing in update manager
[09:37] <\sh> hmm..was finished but didn't show it :(
[09:48] <Riddell> froud-writing: you want to branch KDE's documentation?
[09:48] <froud-writing> Riddell: no
[09:48] <froud-writing> I want to custom for kubuntu
[09:49] <froud-writing> just thinking of it now
[09:49] <froud-writing> I have kde-doc checkout
[09:49] <froud-writing> I would make an import of that to ubuntu-doc svn in /vendor
[09:50] <froud-writing> then do an svn cp to our trunk
[09:50] <froud-writing> that way I can update the vendor/ by merging changes from upstream to it
[09:51] <froud-writing> and then selectively merge changes from the vendor/ to the trunk/
[09:51] <froud-writing> you think it can work?
[09:51] <froud-writing> thing is we will be starting at revision 427473.
[09:52] <froud-writing> Riddell: how would you handle it?
[09:53] <Riddell> froud-writing: sounds like a branch of KDE's documentation to me
[09:53] <froud-writing> so how would you do a customization for kubuntu?
[09:53] <Riddell> froud-writing: why would we?
[09:54] <froud-writing> you dont think it is needed?
[09:54] <Riddell> froud-writing: what would it be for?
[09:55] <froud-writing> Khelpcenter
[09:55] <Riddell> but why the need to change KDE's documentation?  if we add a Kubuntu guide or three that's great but I don't see the need to change anything from KDE
[09:55] <froud-writing> Riddell: no not really upstream is doing a sterling job
[09:56] <froud-writing> but ppl want us to work more with upstream
[09:56] <Riddell> froud-writing: so work upstream then, unless it's a Kubuntu specific document
[09:56] <froud-writing> I thought this could be one way without actually just going upstream and doing the work up there
[09:56] <froud-writing> :-)
[09:56] <froud-writing> Ok I agree its a bad idea
[09:57] <froud-writing> what about selective import with xinclude
[09:58] <froud-writing> so we can reuse nodes in the upstream docs within a kubuntu specific doc?
[09:58] <froud-writing> for example we may import a chapter or two from the kde docs into a book
[09:59] <Riddell> I don't know what xinclude is, sounds awfae fancy
[09:59] <froud-writing> like an import
[10:00] <froud-writing> instead of duplicating by copy paste you create a new instance at time of processing only
[10:00] <Riddell> sure
[10:00] <froud-writing> sure you think it can work?
[10:01] <Riddell> dunno, as I say I've never heard of it :)
[10:02] <froud-writing> it just seems that we so often can use upstream text instead of writing it a new
[10:02] <froud-writing> the question is how to do this in a way that is maintainable?
[10:03] <froud-writing> ideas are wlecome
[11:39] <\sh> Riddell, kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts can go for an upload ;) dholbach signed
[11:40] <Riddell> \sh: awooga
[11:40] <Riddell> \sh: on you go then
[11:41] <\sh> Riddell, just now...have to check dholbachs package
[11:41] <\sh> btw...is mota a motu? ,-)
[11:41] <\sh> i wasn't sure
[11:44] <abbas>  have a problem kubuntu mount cdrom
[11:44] <abbas>  use imac
[11:44] <abbas> when  plase cd
[11:44] <abbas> computer is slow
[11:44] <abbas> it isn't mount
[11:45] <abbas> it isn't recognize
[11:46] <Riddell> abbas: what does `top` say is using up the CPU?
[11:47] <abbas> ppc g4
[11:47] <abbas> 700mhz
[11:47] <Riddell> abbas: francophone?
[11:47] <abbas> no sory
[11:48] <abbas>  plase cd but it isn't mount
[11:48] <abbas>  is slow
[11:49] <Riddell> run  `top`
[11:49] <Riddell> see which process is busy
[11:50] <abbas> top isn't run :)
[11:51] <abbas> :)
[11:51] <abbas> :(
[11:51] <abbas> can you see by ssh or krdc
[11:51] <abbas> please
[11:51] <Riddell> if you give me an account I could
[11:53] <uniq> abbas: what if you eject the cd? 
[11:53] <\sh> Riddell, we need to get motaboy a motu status ;)
[11:53] <uniq> I had the same problem once on my ibook.
[11:54] <uniq> it disappeared with some voodoo magic.. all by itself.
[11:58] <abbas> \sh: I agree (me being Riddell)
[12:00] <\sh> meeting now :)
[12:00] <abbas> abbas, is the CD in just now????????????????????????????????????????
[12:01] <abbas>  ok  just
[12:01] <\sh> Riddell, please join #u-m
[12:01] <\sh> ph u there ,-)
[12:01] <\sh> shitty xchat