[12:42] <flodine> help 
[12:42] <kalenedrael> info
[12:42] <flodine> why cant i install new themes
[12:43] <flodine> for kde
[12:43] <kalenedrael> i don't know, so i'm going to tell you to read the manual because i did install a theme once with the help of a manual but now i forget
[12:43] <Riddell> flodine: what are you trying to install?
[12:44] <flodine> a theme from ked look 
[12:44] <flodine> kde
[12:44] <flodine> i tried the theme manager but it dont see the file
[12:45] <flodine> thats crazy
[12:45] <Riddell> flodine: which theme?
[12:45] <flodine> hello it cant be that hard
[12:45] <Riddell> hello
[12:46] <flodine> krisp
[12:46] <Riddell> URL?
[12:47] <flodine> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=18632
[12:47] <flodine> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=23775
[12:50] <flodine> wow it was so easy with suse 
[12:50] <flodine> just click install and that was it
[12:51] <flodine> what am i doing wrong
[12:51] <Riddell> flodine: that first URL takes me to a deviant art page, the second one has only a slackware package
[12:51] <Riddell> flodine: so I'm not sure what you're trying to install
[12:52] <flodine> dude im in kde look under themes
[12:52] <flodine> im trying all the themes nothing works
[12:56] <flodine> is there away to get this kubuntu off my system
[12:56] <flodine> hello
[12:56] <penguinboy> why would you want to take Kubuntu off of your system?
[12:57] <flodine> you cant even install a simple theme with the theme manager 
[12:57] <flodine> whats up with that
[12:57] <flodine> why
[12:57] <flodine> can someone tell me why
[12:58] <flodine> i see now that kde is for suse only
[12:58] <flodine> suse
[12:58] <Riddell> some people are hard to help
[12:59] <penguinboy> do you not like kde?
[01:03] <EvanCarroll> to boot up with just bash, send root=/bin/bash right?
[01:03] <EvanCarroll> to kernel
[01:06] <uniq> init=/bin/bash
[01:06] <uniq> not root.
[01:35] <EvanCarroll> hrm breezy borked
[01:35] <EvanCarroll> don't upgrade
[01:36] <transgress> wow no shit
[01:36] <transgress> hence the term... unstable
[01:36] <EvanCarroll> ... what kind of dumb ass remark was that.
[01:37] <transgress> less of one than someone saying breezy is borked
[01:37] <EvanCarroll> Breezy usually boot, when they upload a package that prevents it from booting, i feel obligated to tell other people, got it?
[01:38] <transgress> umm... breezy has barely been booting for a while... you shouldn't feel obligated to tell something that is fairly common knowledge... it's kind of like telling a 30 yo man that santa isn't real
[01:38] <liz4rd> HE ISNT?
[01:38] <EvanCarroll> ... Breezy has worked pristine for me on 5 computers for the past month
[01:39] <transgress> i mean you could look at #ubuntu's topic and see what i mean
[01:39] <transgress> EvanCarroll: you a developer?  
[01:39] <EvanCarroll> transgress: here is a better idea, shut the fuck up
[01:39] <EvanCarroll> transgress: yes.
[01:40] <transgress> EvanCarroll: wow... that is awesome.  except i don't.  and i'm not the one spouting off common knowledge and then getting pissed when someone points that out.  
[01:40] <transgress> EvanCarroll: you are helping work on breezy then?  
[01:40] <EvanCarroll> Tell me where breezy not booting is common knowledge, had i have known it woulden't have booted would I have ran another upgrade last night to put in that state?
[01:40] <EvanCarroll> No I woulden't have.
[01:41] <transgress> EvanCarroll: just look at the topic in #ubuntu
[01:41] <transgress> and then talk more shit.
[01:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how do you seperate the stuff in k-menu from ubuntu stuff?
[01:41] <EvanCarroll> transgress: explain how the topic relates to breezy not booting?
[01:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> theres too much crap in the menu
[01:41] <transgress> EvanCarroll: read the god damn thing
[01:41] <EvanCarroll> transgress: they say not to upgrade to hoary, I did, they didn't say it would fail to boot as of today if i ran an upgrade.
[01:42] <transgress> | PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET -- REALLY | <-- hmm wonder why
[01:42] <EvanCarroll> s/hoary/breezy/
[01:42] <EvanCarroll> transgress: where does that imply a faulty package as of yesterday?
[01:42] <transgress> wtf do you think happens in unstable?
[01:42] <transgress> that it remains stable all the time?
[01:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> any ideas?
[01:42] <transgress> it's common knowledge that unstable packages aren't fucking stable.
[01:42] <EvanCarroll> transgress: So because a distro is unstable, we should all refrain from talking about recent problems with it?
[01:42] <transgress> ChurcH_of_FoamY: sorry no.
[01:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> damn
[01:43] <EvanCarroll> transgress: And I'm saying that a vital package is more than unstable, it is non-functional and will prevent trouble shooting without a boot cd
[01:43] <transgress> there is no point in trying to support an unstable distro when it's very well known it's broken right now and nowhere near ready for use.
[01:43] <EvanCarroll> transgress: go kill yourself your ignored.
[01:43] <transgress> wow... someone needs a helmet.
[01:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is it possible to remove things like konquer from kde?
[01:45] <transgress> for anyone unsure of what unstable means:
[01:45] <transgress> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=unstable
[01:45] <transgress> ChurcH_of_FoamY: eh ... probably not... let me check what package that's in
[01:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok cool
[01:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's not for me i like my mozilla
[01:45] <transgress> yeah but it uses konq for other things in kde
[01:45] <transgress> such as file management
[01:45] <transgress> so it's probably got quite a few things relying on it
[01:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that sucks
[01:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i hate it 
[01:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[01:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's way to slow for my taste 
[01:46] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yes you can remove konquerer from KDE just as you can remove nautilus from gnome
[01:46] <transgress> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yeah kdebase relies on it
[01:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so i can remove it as long as what?
[01:47] <transgress> ChurcH_of_FoamY: no you can't... it'll remove kdebase... and kde won't really be ... functional
[01:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[01:47] <transgress> kind of like breezy isn't stable
[01:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> why are there like 400 people using ubuntu and only 82 using kubuntu?
[01:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> does that mean kde isen't as good?
[01:47] <mae> no
[01:48] <transgress> ChurcH_of_FoamY: no... it means more people went to the main distro
[01:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[01:48] <mae> it just means ubuntu is the main distro
[01:48] <mae> kubuntu is newer than ubuntu
[01:48] <mae> and also community built mainly not commercial polished like ubuntu.
[01:48] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you will loose functionality in file management, just as if you removed nautilus from gnome, you might also bork random things, but you should always be able to reinstall it, in the event things fail
[01:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i tryed the kubuntu install but the commands where somehow diffrent
[01:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok is there a way to make mozilla the default viewer for internet as well as mail?
[01:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just won't remove it i'll just change the prefrence
[01:49] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yes, it should prompt you when you open it, or be in the prefrences screen
[01:49] <mae> ChurcH_of_FoamY: go to kde control panel
[01:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> where is the pref screen?
[01:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[01:49] <mae> then kde components
[01:49] <mae> web browser..
[01:49] <EvanCarroll> tools->prefrences make default browser option should be in there
[01:50] <transgress> life according to EvanCarroll ... you can remove konq from kde even though kdebase depends on it... and that breezy should always boot.
[01:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is flash player still broken?
[01:50] <transgress> grar.  some people make my brain hurt.
[01:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> like no sound?
[01:50] <mae> um.. never had that problem
[01:50] <transgress> flash works fine for me
[01:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm thats funnie it is broken for me >.<
[01:51] <mae> what exactly is ChurcH_of_FoamY ..
[01:51] <mae> ?
[01:51] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: not sure, it might still be borked, that problem wasn't addressed as of last week
[01:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> www.illwillpress.com will answer your question
[01:51] <mae> %s/funnie/funny/g
[01:51] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you will have to update moz-firefox or use the fix on mozilla's bugzilla
[01:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how do i do that?
[01:52] <transgress> or
[01:52] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: the fix consists of editing the XUL for mozilla in about:prefrences, and forcing the version to read 1.04 i believe
[01:52] <transgress> you could try removing the flash plugins and other random crap and putting them in there manually
[01:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok can you provide a link for me to use?
[01:52] <EvanCarroll> sorry system is borked, faulty breezy package last night
[01:52] <transgress> imagine...
[01:53] <transgress> so i'm going to eat some watermelon
[01:53] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: the problem is the moz version the 1.03 fixes where backported to 1.02 i believe and the effect on the extension engine wasn't considered at the time
[01:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> never mind it seems to have fixed it's self O_o
[01:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> another thing that works in kubuntu but not ubuntu
[01:54] <mae> sigh.
[01:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i swear there diffrent though there not
[01:54] <mae> they are not different, same apt repo.. one line of difference in distro id.
[01:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have only found 2 programs that will not work in Gnome but will in kde
[01:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> flash and TeamSpeak
[01:57] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: flash has no knowledge of the window manager
[01:57] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it could care less if you were using flux/kde/gnome/xfce/ratposion all the same
[02:07] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: have you tried renaming konquerer and killing it, to sort of emulate what would happen if you removed it?
[02:07] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: then the worse case scenario is you would have to rename it back
[02:07] <mae> that would not emulate it
[02:08] <EvanCarroll> mae: Why not?
[02:08] <mae> much of kde access direct library api calls to open konq
[02:08] <mae> the binary just allows the user to start an instance from the cli or perhaps from a script
[02:08] <liz4rd> EvanCarroll = fuckstick poop monkey ^_^
[02:08] <EvanCarroll> mae: right and by removing it and killing it there would be no open konq, and it woulden't restart
[02:09] <mae> renaming konqueror (the binary) would not stop it from restarting
[02:09] <mae> it just wouldnt start when you typed "konqueror"
[02:09] <liz4rd> removing konq will destry kde completely
[02:10] <kalenedrael> just like removing IE will "destroy" windows completely
[02:10] <liz4rd> winblows
[02:10] <kalenedrael> why do you want to remove konq?
[02:10] <mae> if you dont like it, just don't use it.
[02:11] <mae> you still probably want to use it for file management
[02:11] <kalenedrael> yeahg
[02:11] <kalenedrael> yeah
[02:11] <kalenedrael> it is excellent for file management
[02:11] <kalenedrael> (though i still prefer command line tools)
[02:11] <EvanCarroll> mae: this was ChurcH_of_FoamY idea, i just don't see why it isn't possible, I thought removing konq and keeping the libs intact would be a reasonable idea, and the breakage would be minimal i plan on trying it later today
[02:12] <mae> it wont work
[02:12] <kalenedrael> ok, why do you want to remove it?
[02:12] <mae> its too integrated
[02:12] <kalenedrael> taking up precious megs of disk space? :P
[02:12] <kalenedrael> don't like it?
[02:13] <EvanCarroll> kalenedrael: let me repeat that first fragment in caps.
[02:13] <EvanCarroll> THIS WAS ChurcH_of_FoamY IDEA
[02:14] <kalenedrael> i got it
[02:14] <kalenedrael> why are you listening to him?
[02:14] <EvanCarroll> I want to remove it because i wan't to know what happens if i do, why he wanted to remove it i don't know
[02:44] <somerville32> Hey
[02:44] <somerville32> I have a few questions. One, does the latest version of kubuntu have a boot screen?
[02:45] <EvanCarroll> somerville32: no
[02:46] <transgress> wow EvanCarroll you don't understand the concept of dependencies do you?
[02:46] <transgress> removing konq will cause kdebase to be removed... and then everything that relies on kdebase would be removed... 
[02:47] <transgress> now correct me if i'm wrong... but running kde requires you have... kdebase right?
[02:47] <EvanCarroll> shoulden't no.
[02:47] <EvanCarroll> kdebase should be a meta package
[02:47] <EvanCarroll> just like ubuntudesktop
[02:47] <EvanCarroll> you can break it
[02:49] <EvanCarroll> transgress: type apt-get --purge remove konquerer, you can remove it, and break the meta packages kdebase, konq-plugins, and kubuntu-desktop
[02:49] <EvanCarroll> transgress: not to say things would or would not function
[02:49] <transgress> umm except no
[02:49] <transgress> i prefer to keep konq
[02:49] <somerville32> How would I add a splash screen at boot?
[02:49] <transgress> i think it's the bootsplash backage somerville32 
[02:50] <somerville32> Why isn't it shipped by default?
[02:50] <transgress> somerville32: nope it's grub-splashimages
[02:50] <transgress> somerville32: because they didn't want it to
[02:50] <somerville32> I'm trying to find a distro that I feel would be suitable to implement in the school system
[02:50] <somerville32> However, I'm not having too much luck.
[02:51] <transgress> school system... i'd probably go with something with a root account... 
[02:51] <somerville32> That's silly
[02:51] <transgress> perhaps fedora
[02:52] <transgress> i honestly wouldn't use ubuntu on a school system network... i mean it's not that i don't like it... i just think there are some more suitable ones
[02:52] <EvanCarroll> transgress: kdelibs is essential for KDE, any programs that utilize kde functionality windowing schemes, transparenices ect should make calls to kdelibs, or gtk, however i don't know how konquerer fits into the mix, i just imagine that its involvement isn't quite as muchas some of you folks think it is
[02:54] <EvanCarroll> transgress: type ps -aux | grep konquerer, right now see if it is even running, if it is killall -s9 konquerer, make it go away, as far as being required for open api calls I don't really buy that, and you can remove a program without a lib set especially with a sexy package management system like apt
[02:54] <transgress> umm i'm in gnome
[02:56] <EvanCarroll> transgress: well point being, konquerer depends on kdelibs, but they are two seperate entitites, konquerer utilizes kdelibs and some basic c function calls to provide an easy interface to many things, like file management, and web browsers, and such but libkonq, kdelibs and xlibs are seperate from konquerer, and the removal of it should be fairly simple
[02:56] <EvanCarroll> s/function/system/
[02:56] <nmorse> God, why are we removing Konqueror again?
[02:57] <transgress> actually you appear to be right... all though i'm not sure why you'd want to remove it
[02:57] <transgress> nmorse: someone asked if they could... and we've been going back and forth on if it'll break shit
[02:57] <nmorse> It'll break crap, try it EvanCarroll
[02:57] <transgress> and i hate to agree with the guy who feels the need to let us know breezy is unstable but still... i think he's right
[02:58] <nmorse> Breezy still not usable, eh?
[02:58] <EvanCarroll> nmorse: I'm going to try it.
[02:58] <nmorse> Go for it
[02:59] <nmorse> somerville32: what other distros are you considering?
[03:01] <EvanCarroll> nmorse: removing it now
[03:01] <somerville32> nmorse: Debian, Ubuntu, Red Hat Enterprise, Mandravia, the whole batch
[03:02] <nmorse> Debian or a derivative are what you'll want
[03:02] <EvanCarroll> nmorse: everything works
[03:02] <EvanCarroll> nmorse: including desktop
[03:02] <nmorse> You ever use SUS on Win, somerville32 
[03:02] <nmorse> ?
[03:02] <somerville32> Afraid not
[03:02] <kalenedrael> i hate mandrake/mandriva
[03:02] <kalenedrael> hated*
[03:02] <EvanCarroll> nmorse: with the exception of coarse of konquerer -- the applet
[03:02] <nmorse> Ok, well what it does is let you collect patches and packages
[03:02] <kalenedrael> i could not stand it and it was the only distro i ditched out of being bad
[03:03] <nmorse> This is what having your own debian apt server would do
[03:03] <nmorse> Then you can do updates, etc. on your own schedule
[03:03] <kalenedrael> this was 10.0... 10.1 may be better
[03:03] <nmorse> Wow, I figured Konq would hold several things that could break
[03:03] <nmorse> It's more than a web browser, after all
[03:03] <nmorse> 10.0 sucked
[03:03] <kalenedrael> i fully agree...
[03:03] <nmorse> I hated it, and it locked up on my XFS system
[03:03] <somerville32> 10.1 sucked too
[03:04] <kalenedrael> i never tried 10.1
[03:04] <kalenedrael> went to fedora core 3
[03:04] <nmorse> Right, good thing I ditched it
[03:04] <nmorse> 9 worked fine though, was just the public beta testing as community that killed it
[03:04] <kalenedrael> fc3 is fine, but i switched to kubuntu because i felt like trying a new distro
[03:04] <kalenedrael> kubuntu is great
[03:04] <nmorse> Kubuntu is much nicer than Fedora Core if it's anything like Red Hat 8 or 9
[03:04] <kalenedrael> i can't get enough of apt-get
[03:04] <nmorse> Exactly why Debian still rocks
[03:04] <kalenedrael> fedora core is less like red hat 8
[03:05] <nmorse> More like 9?
[03:05] <nmorse> Red Hat really needed to spin off Fedora
[03:05] <kalenedrael> er, fedora core is similar to but definitely not identical to rh8 or 9, not by a long shot
[03:05] <nmorse> somerville32: Looked at SuSE?
[03:05] <kalenedrael> you can see its roots in red hat
[03:05] <kalenedrael> it's a good distro
[03:05] <somerville32> nmorse: Does SuSe has apt-get?
[03:05] <nmorse> No
[03:06] <kalenedrael> suse uses rpms :X
[03:06] <nmorse> It's an RPM-based, but very polished and nice
[03:06] <nmorse> And Yast2 is pretty cool
[03:06] <kalenedrael> rpms are fine as long as you have a package manager that can take care of the deps
[03:06] <EvanCarroll> somerville32: it has an rpm port of apt-get but you must install it before you modifiy the package set or it will fail to track your dependenices, and require you to unstall the changes
[03:06] <kalenedrael> apt-get does that very well
[03:06] <kalenedrael> yum, less well
[03:06] <nmorse> Though you'll want debian-based installer rollouts probably
[03:07] <nmorse> With make-kpkg making custom kernels for whole labs of identical machines easy
[03:07] <nmorse> So, yeah, Debian or a derivative is the way to go
[03:07] <EvanCarroll> the same thing can be accomplished with rpms it is just slightly harder
[03:08] <nmorse> Harder being bad in a school environment
[03:08] <nmorse> Helped our school tech out a few times
[03:08] <EvanCarroll> true =/
[03:08] <nmorse> apt-get will save the day
[03:08] <somerville32> What do you call it when you have a list of users and groups on a remote server and you can log into any terminal on the network with that account?
[03:08] <nmorse> Use a cron job and you can even let it update every day so you can push your packages
[03:08] <nmorse> Hmmm
[03:09] <nmorse> LDAP is what you'll want for that, and a thin client setup probably
[03:09] <somerville32> Does linux allow usernames like firstname.lastname ?
[03:11] <kalenedrael> yes
[03:11] <kalenedrael> er
[03:11] <kalenedrael> i read that as "hostnames"
[03:11] <kalenedrael> some distros do
[03:11] <kalenedrael> i think
[03:12] <nmorse> They should
[03:12] <nmorse> If not, using a hyphen is a decent substitute
[03:12] <nmorse> School providing email, btw?
[03:13] <somerville32> Yes
[03:13] <nmorse> Be sure to use clamav
[03:13] <nmorse> That'll make it easier to make sure they don't take viruses to any Win boxes
[03:13] <somerville32> *nods*
[03:13] <EvanCarroll> no somerville32, the only special character you can have in a username is _ i believe
[03:13] <nmorse> Doing it vai webmail?
[03:14] <nmorse> s/vai/via/
[03:14] <EvanCarroll> and aparently a hyphen
[03:14] <somerville32> I'm a bit worried about even proposing linux to the district
[03:14] <mae> nmorse: whats the diff between s and %s
[03:14] <nmorse> On what?
[03:14] <nmorse> Don't worry, somerville32 
[03:14] <EvanCarroll> %s is a printf format string, to imply the variable is a string
[03:15] <nmorse> Just tell them about the security benefits and that they'll save money
[03:15] <mae> EvanCarroll: ahh. but can you omit the % in vim?
[03:15] <mae> cuz i use %s/blah/blah in vim usually
[03:15] <EvanCarroll> oh we are talking about vim
[03:15] <nmorse> Ah, mine was for sed and perl
[03:15] <EvanCarroll> no in vim % implys regex i thought that was a programming question
[03:15] <mae> ohh
[03:15] <somerville32> nmorse: They won't save money, they already purchased windows. They would have to retrain everyone...
[03:15] <EvanCarroll> in perl and sed you don't need %
[03:16] <nmorse> Okay, that'll be interesting
[03:16] <nmorse> Put a trial lab out
[03:16] <somerville32> *nods*
[03:16] <nmorse> Even our local high school has a FreeBSD mail box
[03:16] <EvanCarroll> ie sed -e's/foo/bar/' perl -pe's/foo/bar/'
[03:16] <nmorse> you forgot the -i $filename
[03:16] <mae> somerville32: thats the short term.. you should pitch that it should be a slow transition and in the long-run it will be mucho beneficial
[03:16] <EvanCarroll> for which one?
[03:16] <nmorse> sed
[03:16] <somerville32> But wouldn't Microsoft stop donating :P
[03:16] <nmorse> Donating?
[03:17] <nmorse> They don't donate out here at least
[03:17] <nmorse> EvanCarroll: I don't use perl much
[03:17] <nmorse> I'm a Python guy
[03:17] <mae> they search the bottom of their black hearts and give schools a volume discount on microcruft
[03:17] <mae> software
[03:18] <nmorse> And then threaten an audit if you don't upgrade immediately
[03:18] <EvanCarroll> nmorse: sed doesn't require -i
[03:18] <mae> hhee
[03:18] <somerville32> I'm worried that linux won't be suitable for the school system...
[03:18] <nmorse> It'll be plenty suitable
[03:18] <mae> nmorse: does your school have an msdn subscription? if they do they would save *tons* in the long run with linux.. retraining costs aside as a short-term cost
[03:18] <somerville32> What about the software solutions they use now? Like winschool?
[03:19] <EvanCarroll> nmorse: well i suppose it would if you wanted case insensitve if ithat is a requirement, in perl that would be s/foo/bar/i then
[03:19] <nmorse> no idea, mae
[03:19] <nmorse> winschool?
[03:20] <mae> i think a institution has to have willing people for linux to be a success. as it improves and becomes more user friendly it will begin to swallow the entire market up when it becomes more "socially acceptable"
[03:20] <kalenedrael> gah, windows
[03:20] <mae> right now the social norm is to assume that a computer == windowsw
[03:20] <somerville32> http://www.esc7.net/departments/dataprocess/winschool.html
[03:20] <nmorse> It like WinGage?
[03:20] <somerville32> I dunno
[03:20] <kalenedrael> our school uses macs
[03:20] <nmorse> Yeah, it is
[03:21] <kalenedrael> i really, really, really, want access to the terminal on the OSX machines
[03:21] <nmorse> Macs would be the optimum solution I suppose if it had a package management system other than fink
[03:21] <nmorse> Why, it's bash?
[03:21] <kalenedrael> yes
[03:21] <kalenedrael> mmmm, bash
[03:21] <nmorse> We have too many macs here
[03:21] <nmorse> Though 10.1 had zsh I think
[03:21] <kalenedrael> i wrote "bash Is The One True Shell" all over my history final exam
[03:21] <nmorse> bash isn't even POSIX compliant
[03:22] <kalenedrael> meh
[03:22] <nmorse> sh baby
[03:22] <nmorse> sh
[03:22] <EvanCarroll> kalenedrael: what are your opinions about dash
[03:22] <kalenedrael> dunno about dash
[03:23] <somerville32> Anyhow... back to my issue :P
[03:23] <nmorse> somerville32: I don't know about grading and enrollment software on linux
[03:23] <EvanCarroll> kalenedrael: seems to want to rival bash, as being smaller and faster, with most of the features and posix compliant
[03:24] <EvanCarroll> I prefer psh, and think bash sucks ass =/ but to every man his own
[03:24] <nmorse> bash works for me, but I don't do much
[03:24] <nmorse> For everything else, there's Python
[03:24] <nmorse> or Perl if you must
[03:24] <kalenedrael> yeah
[03:24] <EvanCarroll> the shell only matters if you script
[03:24] <nmorse> I do, but not heavily
[03:24] <kalenedrael> yes
[03:24] <kalenedrael> i like the tab completion too
[03:24] <nmorse> Mostly just if loops and while loops
[03:25] <kalenedrael> and for loops
[03:25] <kalenedrael> my ghetto slideshow viewer: for n in *.jpg; do display $n; done
[03:25] <nmorse> while loops are great for batch renaming
[03:25] <kalenedrael> yeah
[03:25] <kalenedrael> though for loops can do that too
[03:26] <nmorse> That works too, though I normally do a display ---option-for-vid-directory
[03:26] <nmorse> ImageMagick is great for so much
[03:26] <EvanCarroll> psh: for(<*.jgg>){system 'display $_'};
[03:27] <nmorse> Combine with bash and you get 'for *.jpg in ./ do convert $n $n.tiff; ' which is handy for my family's newspaper
[03:27] <nmorse> More voodoo required for removing .jpg
[03:28] <nmorse> psh looks like it has a neat syntax
[03:28] <nmorse> Never tried it myself
[03:28] <nmorse> somerville32: any idea what you'd use for stuff like that?
[03:29] <nmorse> you know, enrollment or grading, or do you even need those?
[03:30] <kalenedrael> for n in `echo *.jpg | cut -d. -f1`; do convert $n.jpg $n.tiff; done
[03:32] <nmorse> Hmm, that still leaves the .jpg on
[03:32] <nmorse> and it won't work
[03:32] <nmorse> n includes .jpg
[03:32] <nmorse> adding .jpg to n means it looks for filename.jpg.jpg
[03:32] <nmorse> Tried that
[03:34] <nmorse> One would need sed or awk or something to replace the .jpg
[03:34] <nmorse> Real nasty voodoo required for that
[03:36] <kalenedrael> nmorse, no
[03:36] <kalenedrael> the cut -d. -f1 removes the .jpg
[03:36] <nmorse> Ah, missed the cut
[03:36] <nmorse> stupid me
[03:36] <nmorse> Good use of cut too
[03:36] <nmorse> You sure beat me at scripting for what you need
[03:36] <kalenedrael> heh
[03:37] <EvanCarroll> nmorse: that isn't difficult
[03:37] <nmorse> No, I'm not a great scripter
[03:37] <kalenedrael> there are a bunch of editing tools that i never thought would be useful, like cut
[03:37] <nmorse> Not bad at my work with python, but I don't know all the little linux tools
[03:37] <kalenedrael> but they are useful
[03:37] <nmorse> I use cut for other stuff fairly often actually
[03:37] <nmorse> Like generating a report of users from /etc/passwd
[03:37] <kalenedrael> yeah
[03:38] <kalenedrael> if you wanted you can use sed -e 's/.jpg//g' in place of cut -d. -f1
[03:39] <nmorse> That's how I figured I might have to do it
[03:39] <nmorse> The cut use is much smoother though
[03:39] <nmorse> and less perl like
[03:40] <nmorse> I don't like regexp
[03:42] <nmorse> So, how many people here use Jabber?
[03:42] <sirukin> yeah
[03:42] <nmorse> somerville32: have you looked at jabber for in-school messaging?
[03:47] <EvanCarroll> oh btw
[03:47] <EvanCarroll> I didn't want to ruin the problem for you
[03:47] <EvanCarroll> but no one got the answer right
[03:48] <EvanCarroll> i could only conclude that none of you have read coreutils
[03:48] <nmorse> Can't say that I have
[03:48] <EvanCarroll> 'rename 's/\.jpg$//' *.jpg' is the right way to do that task
[03:48] <EvanCarroll> now that I have ruined it for you =/
[03:49] <nmorse> I'm glad you did
[03:49] <EvanCarroll> lol
[03:49] <nmorse> Useful scripts are more important than working it out sometimes
[03:49] <nmorse> Hence my copy of the Python Cookbook
[03:49] <EvanCarroll> lol
[03:49] <EvanCarroll> I like perl =/
[03:50] <nmorse> A lot of people seem to
[03:50] <nmorse> I may yet learn it, if for nothing else than easy, quick code
[03:52] <EvanCarroll> task would be very easy in that as well, open dir, './'; @foo = readdir dir; map { rename $_, s_\.jpg$__ } @foo;
[03:53] <EvanCarroll> thats without globbing which would probably make it easier
[03:54] <EvanCarroll> perl -e'for (@ARGV) { rename $_, s/\.jpg$// }' ./*.jpg
[03:54] <nmorse> Hmm, seems easy
[03:59] <EvanCarroll> anyway homework time, good night all
[03:59] <sbcl3> where are kubuntu bugs kept?
[04:00] <nmorse> malone I think
[04:00] <nmorse> Or there might be a tracker on kubuntu.org
[04:07] <sbcl3> can "enlightenment" be run with kubuntu?
[04:08] <sbcl3> all i have to do is install the apt packages and then log off and choose the right session, right?
[04:08] <nmorse> You'll have to move some session files actually
[04:08] <sbcl3> :(
[04:08] <nmorse> It's not hard
[04:08] <sbcl3> how about xfce? is it hard with that?
[04:08] <sbcl3> (do you have to do anything besides install?)
[04:09] <nmorse> You'll still have to move a session file
[04:09] <nmorse> It's easy though
[04:09] <nmorse> In Konsole type 'sudo cp /usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions/enlightenment.desktop /usr/share/xsessions/'
[04:09] <sbcl3> when i install enlightenment or xmms will my k menu be littered with lots of stuff (like what happens when you use gnome and install kubuntu-desktop...
[04:09] <sbcl3> nmorse: i install them first, right?
[04:09] <nmorse> xmms will join the menu
[04:09] <sbcl3> i'll do that
[04:09] <nmorse> Yeah, sbcl3
[04:10] <sbcl3> xmms will join the menu?
[04:10] <nmorse> Enlightenment probably won't clutter the menu
[04:10] <sbcl3> *xcfe
[04:10] <sbcl3> did you mean xcfe?
[04:10] <nmorse> XFCE4 will add a few things to the utilities section at least
[04:10] <nmorse> But that's all I think
[04:10] <nmorse> Nothing major
[04:10] <sbcl3> i guess i can edit it
[04:10] <nmorse> just install, copy session files, run with it
[04:10] <sbcl3> i'll ask you when i'm finished installing enlightenment
[04:10] <nmorse> Okay
[04:11] <somerville32> Omg...
[04:11] <somerville32> I just ordered pizza and they didn't accept debit
[04:11] <somerville32> I almost died
[04:11] <somerville32> I had to tell them sorry
[04:11] <transgress> delivery or pickup/
[04:11] <somerville32> Delivery :-/
[04:11] <EvanCarroll> i dont think any pizza boys accept debit, you have to tell them that on the phone when you order
[04:12] <transgress> well i wouldn't imagine they'd carry around a credit card machine with them
[04:12] <somerville32> I know grecco does though
[04:12] <somerville32> :P
[04:12] <somerville32> but I got it from pizza hut
[04:12] <nmorse> somerville32: learn any more towards your goal of linux in the school?
[04:12] <transgress> hmm... yeah no one around here does that
[04:12] <somerville32> nmorse Yeah, I need to find alternate open source solutions for the programs they use now
[04:13] <nmorse> Like winschool or what?
[04:13] <somerville32> *nods*
[04:13] <nmorse> I still want some dadgum Chinese
[04:13] <somerville32> And The incredible machine
[04:13] <somerville32> and markbook
[04:13] <somerville32> and directory access service
[04:13] <nmorse> Hmm, "The Incredible Machine" ?
[04:13] <somerville32> Yeah, it is a game that you have to solve puzzles
[04:13] <nmorse> Directory access, as in to connect to Win servers?
[04:13] <nmorse> Oh
[04:14] <nmorse> Plenty of puzzle games in KDE
[04:14] <somerville32> It is apart of a course
[04:14] <sbcl3> nmorse: okay; i've installed "enlightment" and "enlightenment-data"
[04:14] <sbcl3> what do i move?
[04:14] <nmorse> 'sudo cp /usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions/enlightenment.desktop /usr/share/xsessions/'
[04:15] <sbcl3> thats it?
[04:15] <nmorse> Yep
[04:15] <nmorse> Then log out of KDE and select the session in KDM
[04:16] <sbcl3> done
[04:16] <sbcl3> hope this works...
[04:18] <Llanowyn|newb> Hi :)
[04:18] <nmorse> Couldn't fit SuperNoob in?
[04:18] <Llanowyn|newb> nope :-p
[04:18] <nmorse> Hello
[04:19] <nmorse> BBIAM
[04:20] <sbcl3> nmorse: worked.
[04:20] <sbcl3> nmorse: i find it disgusting
[04:20] <sbcl3> and you cant...do anything :/
[04:20] <Llanowyn|newb> well, i'm going to try using kubuntu, switching over from windows, I was curious as to what I should back up, since I'm going to be wiping my drive.  Any suggestions?
[04:20] <nmorse> Enlightenment on Kubuntu isn't very pretty
[04:21] <somerville32> Ok, I'm going to install Kubuntu!
[04:21] <nmorse> How full is the disc, Llanowyn|newb ?
[04:21] <nmorse> Go, somerville32 
[04:21] <somerville32> (on my home pc that is)
[04:21] <Llanowyn|newb> very, very full
[04:21] <nmorse> Well, interesting
[04:21] <nmorse> somerville32: that's the first step
[04:21] <Llanowyn|newb> I have ~700mb left
[04:21] <nmorse> You'll find it works well on home PC's
[04:22] <somerville32> *nods*
[04:22] <nmorse> Which are pretty much identical to school PC's
[04:22] <nmorse> Anything that you think is important and should be backed up?
[04:23] <nmorse> Llanowyn|newb: you may just want to delete alot of stuff off of the Win side
[04:23] <nmorse> then resize the partition
[04:23] <sbcl3> nmorse: how do i install xfce?
[04:23] <nmorse> same way
[04:23] <nmorse> make sure you specify xfce4 though
[04:23] <nmorse> works for most WM's on Kubuntu I've found
[04:23] <sbcl3> sudo cp /usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions/xcfe4.desktop /usr/share/xsessions/'?
[04:24] <Llanowyn|newb> well, I suppose my question is, is backing up my applications worth doing, or must I find a Linux alternative?
[04:24] <somerville32> Btw, does anyone remember me complaing about sound the last time I had installed kubuntu?
[04:24] <nmorse> Yeah, sbcl3 
[04:24] <nmorse> Llanowyn|newb: why back up the apps? There are plenty on Kubuntu.
[04:24] <somerville32> I couldn't get sound in Kubuntu so I went to Slackware. I had no sound in slackware but was able to fix it later. Now that I know how to fix it, I want to come back <g>
[04:25] <nmorse> Welcome back then
[04:25] <somerville32> The problem was that it was using the bad soundcard, so I disabled it in the bio
[04:25] <somerville32> *bios
[04:25] <somerville32> Now, I have to compile a CD of linux games for a friend of mine's kid.
[04:25] <somerville32> Any good ones?
[04:25] <sbcl3> nmorse: if i don't like xcfe and decide to uninstall it from apt, will all the crud on my K menu go away?
[04:25] <nmorse> Ah, I wish mine was able to be disabled in BIOS
[04:25] <sbcl3> or do i have to uninstall all of the little packages?
[04:25] <nmorse> Yeah
[04:25] <somerville32> I love xfce :)
[04:26] <nmorse> It'll go away
[04:26] <sbcl3> k
[04:26] <nmorse> A CD of linux games, eh?
[04:26] <somerville32> Yup
[04:26] <somerville32> 700mb of goodness :)
[04:26] <somerville32> Their whole family uses mandrake
[04:26] <nmorse> Well, for just fun old skool stuff, there is Pingus, SuperTux, et als.
[04:26] <somerville32> They got like seven computers
[04:26] <nmorse> KAtomic's a fun puzzle game
[04:26] <somerville32> Well, he is 10 or something like that
[04:26] <sbcl3> nmorse: do i want "xfce" or "xfce4"?
[04:26] <kalenedrael> i spent 5 hours choosing and modifying themes for xfce but ended up hating all of them
[04:26] <nmorse> xfce4
[04:27] <crimsun> sbcl3: the latter
[04:27] <nmorse> pingus is like Lemmings
[04:27] <kalenedrael> i cannot stand a taskbar separate from the panel
[04:27] <nmorse> SuperTux is old skool Mario style
[04:27] <crimsun> ugh, I need to work on those new wallpapers
[04:27] <kalenedrael> tux racer!
[04:27] <somerville32> Where can I get the UT demo?
[04:27] <nmorse> Is fun, but get an updated version
[04:27] <nmorse> unrealtournament.com actually
[04:27] <nmorse> or filefast
[04:28] <kalenedrael> can anyone help me configure xfce to have transparent panels and have the taskbar part of the panel
[04:28] <kalenedrael> ?
[04:28] <nmorse> Marble Blast or somesuch is popular
[04:28] <nmorse> Enable Composite extension
[04:28] <nmorse> Then use xfce4's compmgr
[04:28] <nmorse> No idea on the taskbar part of the panel
[04:28] <kalenedrael> hmm
[04:28] <nmorse> I liked the default look of it on top
[04:28] <nmorse> Reminded me of Mac Classic
[04:28] <kalenedrael> yeah, that is the one thing about gnome i cannot stand
[04:29] <kalenedrael> i have a widescreen display, and top/bottom space is not something i really want to use
[04:29] <kalenedrael> currently using kde
[04:29] <nmorse> GNOME is simply ugly, unless you theme it to look like KDE
[04:29] <kalenedrael> agreed
[04:29] <nmorse> I understand the widescreen woes
[04:29] <kalenedrael> yeah
[04:29] <sbcl3> actually, i really wish gnome's "milk" theme was available for KDE...
[04:29] <kalenedrael> xfce is based on gnome, is it not?
[04:29] <nmorse> My lappy is widescreen and it's the devil to find wallpapers
[04:29] <crimsun> kalenedrael: not at all.
[04:29] <nmorse> GTK2, not GNOME
[04:30] <kalenedrael> heh, i tried modifying the "milk" theme
[04:30] <nmorse> Haven't seen the milk theme
[04:30] <kalenedrael> tried to make it look like that zion control thing from the matrix
[04:30] <kalenedrael> i.e. white with single-pixel grey lines
[04:30] <kalenedrael> (basically removed all the shadow)
[04:30] <kalenedrael> ended up looking ok, but i still prefer kde
[04:31] <nmorse> Milk does look neat though
[04:31] <nmorse> Just looked at it for the first time
[04:31] <nmorse> I'm running Plastik with Keramik White color scheme at the moment
[04:31] <sbcl3> i want milk :(
[04:31] <sbcl3> *"milk"
[04:31] <kalenedrael> plastik is very nice
[04:32] <kalenedrael> i wonder how to configure gtk for the apps that use it in kde
[04:32] <kalenedrael> like xchat
[04:32] <kalenedrael> i want xchat to use a different gtk theme
[04:32] <nmorse> To what, change its theme from KDE?
[04:32] <kalenedrael> it currently looks like crap :/
[04:32] <kalenedrael> yes, nmorse
[04:32] <nmorse> apt-cache search switch
[04:32] <nmorse> All you need
[04:32] <kalenedrael> mmm
[04:32] <kalenedrael> thanks
[04:32] <EvanCarroll> kalenedrael: apt-get install kdelibs
[04:32] <nmorse> There'll be a gtk program there and then run switch2 to change it from anywhere
[04:33] <sbcl3> /usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions/xfce4.desktop': No such file or directory
[04:33] <nmorse> Hmm
[04:33] <EvanCarroll> err gtk for the apps that use kde is impossible you would have to rewrite the whole api, to use kde apps in gnome they require kdelibs
[04:33] <kalenedrael> found it, it's called gtk-theme-switch
[04:33] <nmorse> xfce42.desktop, sbcl3 
[04:33] <kalenedrael> EvanCarroll, yes... i am running kde but i use some apps that use gtk nonetheless
[04:33] <nmorse> EvanCarroll: there's a theme called gtk-qt
[04:34] <sbcl3> okay
[04:34] <nmorse> It rewrites GTK widgets as QT widgets
[04:34] <kalenedrael> for the kde apps, i will leave them be
[04:34] <nmorse> Try it out
[04:34] <sbcl3> nmorse: thanks :)
[04:34] <EvanCarroll> Right but apps made using kdelibs will never use gtk =/
[04:34] <nmorse> not a problem
[04:34] <somerville32> Ok
[04:34] <sbcl3> i'll wait till krename is finished compiling though
[04:34] <nmorse> It could theoretically be done in reverse of gtk-qt
[04:34] <somerville32> Time for Kubuntu!
[04:34] <somerville32> :)
[04:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nmorse do you have any troubles with things that run in kde but won't run in gnome?
[04:34] <nmorse> KRename is nice
[04:35] <nmorse> no, ChurcH_of_FoamY, can't say that I do
[04:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> because i have 2 progs that won't work in gnome but will in kubuntu
[04:35] <nmorse> What are they?
[04:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i know there the same thing
[04:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> teamspeak
[04:35] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: i guarentte you flash works in both
[04:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and....let me think
[04:36] <sbcl3> nmorse: how come on the k menu editor the xfce stuff doesn't show?
[04:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nope it doesen't work in ubuntu for some reason it did a month ago though
[04:36] <nmorse> It should
[04:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but then i apt-get kubuntu-desktop and now it works just fine
[04:36] <nmorse> Does it show in the mennu normally?
[04:36] <nmorse> Odd, ChurcH_of_FoamY 
[04:36] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: is the version of mozilla-firefox in ubuntu 1.02? or 1.04?
[04:37] <nmorse> 1.02
[04:37] <nmorse> Backports has 1.04
[04:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um how to tell for shure?
[04:37] <nmorse> and gaim 1.3.0
[04:37] <EvanCarroll> right and that was the problem, your going to have to force moz to thinking it is 1.04, by setting the version in the XUL
[04:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh i don't have any backports i was told they break stuff
[04:37] <nmorse> Sometimes they do, but it's a risk I run
[04:37] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you do have a backport, if your system is up to date you have a backport of the 1.04 security fix applied to 1.02
[04:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i would if i knew more lol
[04:37] <somerville32> Does kubuntu have an install floppy?
[04:37] <nmorse> Anyway, ChurcH_of_FoamY, go try to download a theme from firefox's get more themes link
[04:38] <somerville32> I like the kde theme for Firefox :)
[04:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok hold on
[04:38] <nmorse> That'll give you instructions to edit what you need to to get it working
[04:38] <nmorse> somerville32: there should be one or you can make one
[04:39] <sbcl3> that krename program is so useful...
[04:39] <somerville32> Actually, I might have it already burnt
[04:39] <nmorse> You know what's great about having a mini-fridge underneath your desk?
[04:39] <PaloDeQueso> Where does smb.conf go in Kubuntu?
[04:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have the i686 kernal and thers a 1.0.4 upgrade
[04:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> do i get that?
[04:39] <somerville32> Are any kubuntu developers here?
[04:40] <kalenedrael> nmorse, you own
[04:40] <nmorse> Thank you, kalenedrael 
[04:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ?
[04:40] <kalenedrael> mmm, now to find a better gtk theme
[04:40] <nmorse> ChurcH_of_FoamY: don't bother with getting a new version
[04:40] <kalenedrael> the milk theme is nice, but...
[04:40] <nmorse> There's a string you can edit in about:config
[04:42] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: the 1.0.4 version of mozilla?
[04:42] <PaloDeQueso> Where does smb.conf go in Kubuntu?
[04:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ya it says to upgrade
[04:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have 1.0.2
[04:42] <sbcl3> nmorse: thanks for your help
[04:42] <sbcl3> it works
[04:42] <nmorse> There should be a little thing on the bottom under the upgrade page
[04:42] <ITSVictor> hi church_of_foamy
[04:42] <sbcl3> xfce looks like an improved version of gnome
[04:42] <nmorse> happy to help, sbcl3 
[04:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hi
[04:43] <sbcl3> tell me; can gtk themes be used in there?
[04:43] <nmorse> It really feels like it, but simpler too
[04:43] <nmorse> Yeah
[04:43] <sbcl3> so i can use milk :)
[04:43] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: You can't get that in Hoary, hoary is frozen, upgrading a package to a new version number is agasint the rules, you can only apply upgrades, 1.04 only has security upgrades, but they can not install the newer version, only the security patches agasint it
[04:43] <nmorse> Try the native ones (if they work)
[04:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[04:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[04:43] <nmorse> It'll lead you to a bugzilla entry with a detailed explanation
[04:43] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: but this is a problem, because extesnion engine will require the newest version
[04:44] <sbcl3> nmorse: is it possible for me to use fvwm?
[04:44] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: So your going to have to go to about:config in your url bar, and find where it says 1.0.2 and replace it with 1.0.4
[04:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> then how does it get the upgrades it needs
[04:44] <nmorse> Probably
[04:44] <nmorse> The updates were backported by security team
[04:44] <nmorse> Don't worry about it, ChurcH_of_FoamY 
[04:45] <nmorse> Just change the 1.0.2 to 1.0.4 and you're set
[04:45] <sbcl3> nmorse: what window manager does xfce use by default?
[04:45] <nmorse> What you're altering is general.useragent.vendorSub btw, ChurcH_of_FoamY 
[04:45] <nmorse> xfwm, sbcl3 
[04:45] <sbcl3> k
[04:46] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you already have the upgrade, you just have to lie about the version number; like i said after a distro is frozen, it is against the rules for them to do anything but patch the frozen software, and the patch of the software can not increase it's version number, ie in 1 year you might upgrade mozilla-firefox 3 times, each because of a security vulnerability but at the end of that year youw ill still be running 1.0.
[04:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok thats kinda dumb but ok lol
[04:46] <nmorse> Correction: only stuff in main may not be upgraded
[04:47] <nmorse> And only on Ubuntu and Derivatives (and Debian Stable)
[04:47] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: well if the upgrade required a complete change in confs, which many do, like exim or such, than running an upgrade on a 'stable' system could break it.
[04:47] <nmorse> Yeah, yeah it could
[04:47] <nmorse> But who uses exim besides Debian anyway?
[04:47] <sbcl3> is "mousepad" part of kde?
[04:47] <EvanCarroll> nmorse: good point.
[04:48] <EvanCarroll> nmorse: courier-mta++
[04:48] <sbcl3> i don't think it is, but i can't be sure
[04:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok i get it so really doing just the patches to an older system inshures compatability with that kernal
[04:48] <nmorse> I use Postfix and Dovecot
[04:48] <somerville32> Does kubuntu support wheel mouses?
[04:48] <Llanowyn|newb> Sonic got a Super Emerald!
[04:48] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: ensures compatability with the prepatched version of the product
[04:48] <nmorse> Wheel mice are supported
[04:48] <nmorse> It's just the distro specific patches that kill people
[04:48] <nmorse> Hence Slack's popularity
[04:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[04:49] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: when you use a non-development distro, ie 'Kubuntu -- Hoary' all configurations after the distro is frozen will be the same *forever*
[04:49] <sbcl3> somerville32: it should support wheeled mouses
[04:49] <nmorse> Or until the next upgrade in 6 months
[04:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what the hell is slack anyway?
[04:49] <sbcl3> slackware?
[04:49] <nmorse> Slackware
[04:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea what is it?
[04:49] <nmorse> Oldest surviving distro
[04:49] <nmorse> Much more UNIX-like
[04:49] <sbcl3> another linux distro that keeps a strict unix filesystem
[04:49] <sbcl3> beat me :(
[04:49] <EvanCarroll> then it will be 'Kubuntu -- Breezy' a different version of kubuntu all together
[04:49] <sbcl3> and you get a chance to do lots of edits to configuration files
[04:50] <nmorse> At least it doesn't go Gobo and switch everything to OS X's
[04:50] <nmorse> Or CRUX and use /opt for everything
[04:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so is kubuntu and ubuntu not good to use?
[04:50] <nmorse> Dadgum degenerate anti-traditionalists
[04:50] <nmorse> Kubuntu is great to use
[04:51] <nmorse> So long as you expect that packages are only upgraded every six months
[04:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok now i'm confused
[04:51] <nmorse> Just pointing out differences, not benefits
[04:51] <nmorse> All that I've mentioned are great distros that I've used (except GoboLinux)
[04:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if things are frozen in certain parts of this distro then how does patching benifit the end user?
[04:51] <nmorse> Security patches
[04:51] <EvanCarroll> In six months you still won't have to change configs unless you change your running version of kubuntu, in your sources.list to reflect the newly frozen breezy
[04:51] <somerville32> Does Kubuntu support network install?
[04:52] <nmorse> It's all there is in Firefox 1.0.4 from 1.0.2
[04:52] <nmorse> Like over the internet, yeah it does
[04:52] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it protects them from security vulnerability that have been discovered since the freezing
[04:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[04:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it kiinda makes sence so it must be a difficult thing to make a fully new fersion of a prog for a frozen distro the right?
[04:53] <nmorse> Yeah, which is why it simply isn't done except for "unofficial" backports
[04:53] <nmorse> Hence the ubuntu tagged to the end of every package name
[04:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and is that becuase of the way linux is structured that makes it so hard?
[04:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it still says 1.0.2 :(
[04:54] <crimsun> that's because it _is_ 1.0.2
[04:54] <crimsun> it is _not_ 1.0.4
[04:54] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: the version in help about will always say 1.0.2 when the extension reads the XUL it will be fooled into thinking it is 1.0.4
[04:54] <crimsun> 1.0.4 has additional non-security bugfixes that were _not_ applied
[04:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh so i did change it right
[04:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cool
[04:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the other thing i wonder is why teamspeak wont run in Gnome but will in kde
[04:55] <nmorse> God, Firefox is a tech support nightname
[04:55] <nmorse> What's teamspeak?
[04:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> even thought the install is for both
[04:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> a voice program thats compatable with anygame
[04:56] <nmorse> Hmm, where do I get this?
[04:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> one sec
[04:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://www.goteamspeak.com/news.php
[04:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> there you are 
[04:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i run a server and i can use this prog in kubuntu (thank godess) but ubuntu won't run it weard
[04:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the server is hosted on a pro site
[04:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but the client is what i use
[04:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and how hardware dependant are games in kubuntu?
[04:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> are they as bad as in win?
[04:59] <nmorse> Pretty much if you're running Doom 3 or UT2004
[05:00] <nmorse> Or Neverwinter Nights
[05:00] <nmorse> Those are the ones I own (besides Quake 3 that isn't hardware intensive anymore)
[05:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok so if a game requires a 32mb vid card it won't run and have weard side effects?
[05:00] <sbcl3> nmorse: does xfce come equipped with basic stuff for getting things done? for example, a web browser?
[05:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if you don't have the card
[05:00] <EvanCarroll> sbcl3: no.
[05:00] <nmorse> No, you'll have to use a separate browser
[05:01] <EvanCarroll> sbcl3: why would it, it is a window manager, not a distribution
[05:01] <nmorse> Like Mozilla, Firefox, or some unpronounceable Japanese one I tried
[05:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm sorry to ask all these questions but i find that i learn better if i taslk to people
[05:01] <nmorse> Indeed, that's the best way to do it
[05:01] <somerville32> I have a question
[05:01] <sbcl3> nmorse: will it see my stuff i have installed here?
[05:01] <nmorse> Fire away
[05:01] <nmorse> It should
[05:01] <sbcl3> okay
[05:01] <somerville32> Whats the difference between the mozillia suit and firefox and thunderbird?
[05:01] <nmorse> Right click and see if the menu shows up
[05:02] <sbcl3> i think the suite comes with both of those
[05:02] <nmorse> Seamonkey (the suite) is large and includes a lot of stuff (fairly slow too)
[05:02] <sbcl3> not sure though
[05:02] <somerville32> I'm pretty sure it is different
[05:02] <nmorse> Firefox and Thunderbird are individual apps that do two of Mozilla's functions but faster
[05:02] <EvanCarroll> somerville32: firefox and thunderbird are seperate more developed entities, whereas mozilla is one suite that can't be further devided
[05:02] <nmorse> and better if you ask me
[05:02] <somerville32> I think they should get rid of mozilla and focus on firefox and thunderbird
[05:02] <nmorse> Extensions are what did it for me for both of those
[05:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so is thunderbird better than firefox?
[05:03] <nmorse> They're planning to for 2.0 I think
[05:03] <EvanCarroll> Mozilla also comes with chatzilla, and an archaic web paged editor though
[05:03] <somerville32> thunderbird is a mail client
[05:03] <nmorse> Thunderbird is an email client, firefox a web browser
[05:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i know
[05:03] <somerville32> Firefox has a chatzilla extension
[05:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but theres another mozilla too
[05:03] <nmorse> Nvu is the separate editor
[05:03] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: so then are apples better than oranges?
[05:03] <EvanCarroll> bad example
[05:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's all blue and has an m in the corner instead of a circul
[05:03] <nmorse> EvanCarroll: you're a hateful person aren't you?
[05:03] <EvanCarroll> no, do i come off as one?
[05:04] <somerville32> Time for bed
[05:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i found it through synaptic
[05:04] <somerville32> Its 0005
[05:04] <nmorse> sometimes, yes you do , EvanCarroll 
[05:04] <EvanCarroll> nmorse: I'm blaiming that on IRC =/
[05:05] <nmorse> Night, somerville32 (where are you at?)
[05:05] <somerville32> New Brunswick, Canada
[05:05] <nmorse> Hmm, it's only 10:05 here in Oklahoma, USA
[05:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you have a nice night then dere eh
[05:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> only 200mi from canada
[05:06] <nmorse> Way too far in Oklahoma
[05:06] <nmorse> Need to get to Canda
[05:06] <nmorse> s/Canda/Canada/
[05:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how come there are 2 diffrent mozillas in synaptic then?
[05:06] <nmorse> No idea
[05:06] <nmorse> Let me check
[05:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> are the actually diffrent are just look diffrent
[05:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if you want me to paste bin my repos list i can
[05:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so you can see them
[05:07] <EvanCarroll> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what are the names
[05:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> they both come up as mozilla but there diffrent
[05:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in firefox you ave a tiny circul in the upper right corner of the app
[05:08] <nmorse> Ah, Mozilla installs all the stuff besides mozilla-browser
[05:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that spins when you serf
[05:08] <nmorse> Mozilla-browser is the mozilla suite's browser
[05:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and then theres mozilla thats all blue and has an m that moves
[05:08] <nmorse> The M is the real Mozilla
[05:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[05:08] <nmorse> The Circle is Firefox
[05:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i wasen't shure what the diff was
[05:08] <nmorse> Big diff actually
[05:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is one better than the other?
[05:08] <nmorse> Firefox is better if you don't need Chatzilla
[05:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i knew there was a diff just not shure what there was
[05:08] <nmorse> And even if you do
[05:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i like firefox
[05:09] <somerville32> Firefox is ofcourse the best :)
[05:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i started using it in beta
[05:09] <nmorse> Firefox is what you want to use for web browsing (or Konqueror which is pretty nice)
[05:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and dumped IE after that
[05:09] <nmorse> Phoenix buddy
[05:09] <nmorse> When it was called Phoenix
[05:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't like the konq 
[05:09] <somerville32> Neither do I
[05:09] <nmorse> I think I started on 0.6
[05:09] <nmorse> for Phoenix
[05:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i still have mozilla phoenix on storage drive
[05:10] <nmorse> and then stuck with it and K-Meleon
[05:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have progs going back to the 80's 
[05:10] <nmorse> K-Meleon for the Windows days
[05:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i archive every program that i like
[05:10] <somerville32> I think in a few years we wouldn't be able to speak because all the common combination of words will be trademarked :P
[05:10] <nmorse> I have Debian 2.1 on CD (and several 80s floppies of TurboPascal, Risk for Mac 5, etc.)
[05:10] <nmorse> and AOL 3 on floppy
[05:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> doesen't care about leagalitys
[05:11] <nmorse> My AOL screen name has no numbers
[05:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i havew aol 1.0 lol
[05:11] <somerville32> My aol sn is stc32t :-/
[05:11] <nmorse> We had AOL 1.0 but I can't find it
[05:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i hate aol anyway it's not "true" internet
[05:11] <Octane> whats the name of that 2-column file browser
[05:11] <nmorse> I think mine (which I shared with my siblings) is morsekids
[05:11] <Octane> that looks like norton commander
[05:11] <nmorse> krusader
[05:11] <Octane> YES
[05:11] <Octane> thank you!
[05:11] <somerville32> Can you telnet and use other internet applications with AOL?
[05:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it just a bunch of cached links on a server thats why it's so quick
[05:11] <nmorse> AOL is the devil
[05:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> when you ask for something thats not on there servers watch how long it takes
[05:12] <nmorse> I've done it before
[05:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[05:12] <nmorse> Horrible wait time
[05:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i know
[05:12] <somerville32> Can you telnet and use other internet applications with AOL?
[05:12] <nmorse> Still loading on the old Apple Classic probably
[05:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats why i use broadband
[05:12] <nmorse> No, somerville32, the AOL internet only works in AOL
[05:13] <somerville32> What...
[05:13] <somerville32> No mudding?
[05:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> did you check out that site i gave you?
[05:13] <nmorse> No, it only logs on when you're using AOL
[05:13] <nmorse> and then it logs off when you're done
[05:13] <somerville32> Have you ever tried to cancel your AOL account?
[05:13] <somerville32> It is hell!
[05:13] <nmorse> My family always did the BYOI route
[05:13] <nmorse> what site, ChurcH_of_FoamY?
[05:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://www.goteamspeak.com/news.php
[05:14] <somerville32> Anyhow, Night!
[05:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's for that teamspeak
[05:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i can't get any themes
[05:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[05:14] <penguinboy> The Amazing Adventures of PenguinBoy...www.penguinboy.us
[05:14] <Octane> im suprised. ther eis no krename package
[05:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i found a startrek one i like
[05:14] <nmorse> hello penguinboy
[05:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it won't let me 
[05:14] <nmorse> LCARS for Firefox?
[05:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[05:14] <nmorse> Neat, eh?
[05:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i want ^_^
[05:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i can't get though
[05:15] <nmorse> There's an LCARS theme for everything including some of KDE's stuff
[05:15] <penguinboy> hey hey nmorse
[05:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> really?
[05:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> me wants ^_^
[05:15] <penguinboy> nmorse do you have limewire installed?
[05:15] <nmorse> Yeah, don't remember where it is though
[05:15] <nmorse> No, penguinboy, I don't
[05:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> <---trekky ^_^
[05:15] <nmorse> and I probably should go in a minute and do some work for the newspaper
[05:15] <nmorse> but first, Foamy's problem
[05:16] <nmorse> open a new tab in Firefox
[05:16] <nmorse> type about:config and hit enter
[05:16] <nmorse> under filter type general.vendor
[05:16] <sbcl3> can you enable transparency on one panel but not another?
[05:16] <nmorse> Hit enter and then change the field that says 1 or 1.0.2 to 1.0.4
[05:16] <penguinboy> if you have an rpm on your desktop...shouldn't you just be able to click on it and install it?
[05:16] <sbcl3> i can't seem to do it.
[05:16] <nmorse> With composite you can
[05:16] <nmorse> RPM
[05:16] <nmorse> 's no worky on Debian
[05:17] <nmorse> Use alien to convert to Deb first
[05:17] <nmorse> alien package.rpm will produce package.deb
[05:17] <sbcl3> nmorse: composite? isn't tha talready installed?
[05:17] <nmorse> It has to be enabled in xorg.conf
[05:17] <nmorse> It's experimental at the moment
[05:18] <sbcl3> well i guess i can live without it
[05:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i typed that into the filter and nothing comes up >.<
[05:19] <nmorse> Hmm
[05:19] <nmorse> Try vendor
[05:20] <nmorse> It'll be called general.useragent.vendorSub
[05:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> theres 3 things in the list 1 of which is 1.0
[05:20] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~$ cd /home/penguinboy/desktop/downloads
[05:20] <penguinboy> bash: cd: /home/penguinboy/desktop/downloads: No such file or directory
[05:20] <penguinboy> penguinboy@desktop:~$
[05:20] <penguinboy> why do i get this error????  
[05:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> change that?
[05:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> to 1.0.4?
[05:20] <Octane> god damn kdebase-dev has lots of deps!
[05:20] <penguinboy> is /home/penguinboy/desktop/downloads/ not a directrory>
[05:21] <nmorse> Yep
[05:21] <nmorse> Desktop has a capital D
[05:21] <nmorse> Easy as that, really
[05:21] <Octane> lol
[05:21] <nmorse> Bash not case-sensitive
[05:21] <Octane> penguinboy, !
[05:21] <nmorse> or insensitive
[05:21] <penguinboy> yes?
[05:21] <nmorse> something like that
[05:21] <penguinboy> Octane?
[05:22] <Octane> lol
[05:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it works ^_^
[05:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thank you so much
[05:22] <nmorse> Yay!
[05:22] <nmorse> Okay, now on to doing something else, like work
[05:22] <Octane> nmorse is the man
[05:22] <penguinboy> oCTANE...WHY is /home/penguinboy/desktop/downloads/ not a directory?
[05:22] <nmorse> Desktop has a capital D, penguinboy 
[05:22] <penguinboy> OOPs
[05:23] <Octane> because as nmorse said Desktop has and uppercase D
[05:23] <penguinboy> O-o
[05:23] <Octane> ^_^
[05:23] <penguinboy> O_o
[05:23] <Octane> ^-XXX
[05:23] <nmorse> Be back in a few minutes
[05:23] <Octane> cyz
[05:23] <Octane> a
[05:23] <Octane> slowly but surely my todo list on my new kubuntu desktop is getting thinner!
[05:24] <penguinboy> nope....a capital D was not the problem...another guess?
[05:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thank god for smart people like you guys to help us dumb noobs ^_^
[05:24] <nmorse> does downloads exist?
[05:24] <nmorse> Firefox downloads straigt to Desktop
[05:24] <penguinboy> yes with a capital D
[05:24] <nmorse> And I'm away for the record
[05:24] <penguinboy> well DUH!
[05:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the Gnome themes kinda nice
[05:26] <penguinboy> how do i install a .deb file
[05:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just a really dumb question is there a "pot" theme for kubuntu?
[05:27] <penguinboy> as in weed???
[05:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[05:28] <penguinboy> ask Transgress or Liz4ard
[05:28] <penguinboy> they would know
[05:28] <penguinboy> Octane???
[05:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[05:28] <nmorse> penguinboy: sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[05:28] <Octane> penguinboy, yo?
[05:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> brb
[05:29] <penguinboy> gracios
[05:30] <nmorse> no prob
[05:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is it ok to udate the adsblock extension?
[05:30] <penguinboy> WOW...I installed LimeWire...thanks to Senor nmorse y Senor Octane....muchos gracias, Senors!
[05:32] <penguinboy> but it will nto run
[05:32] <Octane> i didnt do anything!
[05:32] <penguinboy> when i click on the icon...it appears to load....then poof it disappears
[05:32] <Octane> try rtunning from konsole
[05:33] <nmorse> That'll give you the error we can work with
[05:33] <penguinboy> i think i need java
[05:33] <penguinboy> java i do nto hav
[05:33] <penguinboy> how can i get java
[05:33] <Octane> apt-get install j2re1.4
[05:33] <nmorse> Hang on, and I'll tell you
[05:33] <penguinboy> muchos gracias
[05:33] <nmorse> deb http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu hoary java
[05:33] <Octane> yes that one
[05:33] <nmorse> add that to /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:34] <nmorse> then 'sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[05:34] <penguinboy> lol
[05:34] <nmorse> Thanks, Octane
[05:35] <Octane> yes j2re1.5 even better :)
[05:35] <nmorse> Azureus needs 1.5
[05:35] <Octane> uh oh
[05:35] <Octane> yup
[05:35] <nmorse> And I need Azureus
[05:35] <Octane> where did my /dev/dsp go
[05:35] <Octane> what the hell
[05:35] <penguinboy> Couldn't find package sun-j2re1.5
[05:35] <nmorse> Anime must be gotten
[05:36] <Octane> brb
[05:36] <nmorse> try sdk then
[05:36] <nmorse> instead of jre
[05:36] <Octane> ya 1.5 sdk
[05:36] <nmorse> instead of re
[05:36] <nmorse> s/re/sdk/ even
[05:36] <sbcl3> i remember a different repository
[05:36] <sbcl3> let me find it
[05:37] <Octane> how do i find out my sound device
[05:37] <nmorse> It only gets 1.4 though
[05:37] <nmorse> Um, did sound work before?
[05:37] <penguinboy> install sun-sdk.5?
[05:37] <sbcl3> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[05:37] <sbcl3> deb http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/ubuntu-backports hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[05:37] <Octane> i just want to know where to output sound to
[05:37] <nmorse> sudo apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5
[05:37] <sbcl3> i think it was this
[05:37] <sbcl3> wait; maybe not
[05:37] <nmorse> backports doesn't have java
[05:38] <nmorse> Don't add those lines if you don't think backports are a good idea
[05:38] <sbcl3> i think i got it right
[05:38] <sbcl3> i think those will give it to you
[05:38] <Octane> what the fuck happened to my sound god damnit
[05:38] <nmorse> Did it work before, Octane?
[05:39] <Octane> yes
[05:39] <Octane> it did
[05:39] <Octane> my sound works in Gaim and stuff
[05:39] <Octane> but amarok says no such device /dev/dsp
[05:39] <Octane> Device "/dev/dsp" does not exist
[05:40] <nmorse> Hmm, odd
[05:40] <nmorse> Just amarok, you say?
[05:40] <nmorse> Or any KDE app?
[05:40] <pinnedbot> Hey guys, I just upgraded to KDE but hell, nothing has changed as far as the main layout is concerned. the only notable change is the login screen, and few more programs (most of which cannot be run because i'm not logged in as the root user.. eh?) and finally, i installed the kubuntu-desktop package on hoary hedgehog. .  .
[05:40] <Octane> yes just amarok
[05:40] <pinnedbot> anyone knows what's up?
[05:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> <--starts to like linux more and more every day ^_^
[05:40] <Octane> hmm
[05:41] <Octane> looks like its KDE thats having problems
[05:41] <Octane> im gonna restart it
[05:41] <Octane> Sound server informational message:
[05:41] <Octane> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[05:41] <Octane> device: default can't be opened for playback (Device or resource busy)
[05:41] <Octane> The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
[05:41] <nmorse> amen, ChurcH_of_FoamY 
[05:41] <nmorse> Ok, pinnedbot, what do you mean?
[05:41] <nmorse> It's way different from GNOME
[05:41] <sbcl3> where is the htdocs folder for apache2 isntalled from apt?
[05:41] <Octane> brb guys
[05:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nmorse i still can't beleve that i can customize it to my likeing and not be breaking a EULA
[05:42] <sbcl3> is it /var/www?
[05:42] <nmorse> something like that, sbcl3 
[05:42] <nmorse> amen again, ChurcH_of_FoamY 
[05:42] <sbcl3> nmorse: how do i shut it down?
[05:42] <nmorse>  /etc/init.d/apache stop
[05:42] <sbcl3> will that stop php and mysql too?
[05:42] <nmorse> PHP isn't a service, so yes
[05:43] <nmorse> Mysql is it's own service
[05:43] <sbcl3> hmm
[05:43] <sbcl3> k
[05:43] <nmorse> You'll have to do /etc/init.d/mysql stop I think
[05:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nmorse the linux version of firefix can't use all themes can it?
[05:43] <pinnedbot> nmorse, shouldn't there be some changes to the layout after installing KDE on hoary?
[05:43] <penguinboy> hey nmore look in flood at my error please
[05:43] <sbcl3> nmorse: it says it isn't a process
[05:43] <nmorse> Yeah it can
[05:43] <pinnedbot> layout==desktop
[05:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cause theres this one theme called Red cats (green flavor) 3.0.1 that i like
[05:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it won't seem to use it
[05:44] <nmorse> Are you actually in KDE, pinnedbot?
[05:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> tryes to download it but
[05:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nothin
[05:44] <pinnedbot> I have no idea, nmorse, but i'm using Konversation right now, so I think I am.
[05:44] <nmorse> pinnedbot: go back to login manager, and then hit Session
[05:44] <nmorse> Change it to KDE
[05:44] <nmorse> Then you get the Kubuntu experience
[05:44] <sbcl3> nmorse:
[05:44] <sbcl3> sudo: /etc/inid.d/apache2: command not found
[05:44] <nmorse> If the menus are still at the top of the screen you're not in kde
[05:44] <sbcl3> oh wait
[05:44] <sbcl3> oops
[05:45] <pinnedbot> yeah it is, nmorse
[05:45] <pinnedbot> okay let me reboot
[05:45] <pinnedbot> thanks, nmorse
[05:45] <nmorse> Then go back to GDM, and switch Session to KDE
[05:45] <nmorse> don't reboot
[05:45] <nmorse> Just log out
[05:45] <penguinboy> git java now....i forgot to update
[05:45] <nmorse> not a prob
[05:46] <penguinboy> where is the Lizard Man???
[05:46] <nmorse> on Jabber, though not responding
[05:46] <penguinboy> mmm
[05:47] <penguinboy> java takes a long time to downlaod
[05:47] <nmorse> yeah, the SDK is a big file
[05:48] <nmorse> But azureus and cgoban2 run now and that's all that matters
[05:48] <penguinboy> something of cheese???
[05:48] <nmorse> Fromage?
[05:48] <penguinboy> Palo of Cheese
[05:48] <nmorse> Use babelfish
[05:48] <penguinboy> Beunos Notchez, Senor Palo de Queso!
[05:49] <penguinboy> como esta usted?
[05:49] <penguinboy> mi nombre es Penguin Nino
[05:49] <penguinboy> 93% with Java
[05:50] <penguinboy> unpacking
[05:50] <sbcl3> how do i configure mysql?
[05:50] <sbcl3> i need to set the password
[05:51] <nmorse> dpkg-reconfigure mysql might work
[05:51] <nmorse> If not, I have no idea
[05:51] <penguinboy> LimeWire is Starting!!  Oh Joy!  Oh Joy!
[05:51] <nmorse> Excellent
[05:51] <nmorse> Thought bittorrent seems to give faster downloads, even as slow as they are
[05:52] <nmorse> I hate most normal P2P networks
[05:52] <penguinboy> si, excellente, Senor nmorse!
[05:52] <penguinboy> what p2p do you like
[05:52] <penguinboy> LimeWire appears to be stuck loading html engine...
[05:53] <nmorse> I really just use Bittorrent (it's how to get all the anime)
[05:53] <sbcl3> anyone know how to change the mysql password?
[05:54] <sbcl3> (does it have a password?"
[05:54] <sbcl3> )\
[05:54] <sbcl3> I'm trying to get into phpmyadmin
[05:54] <sbcl3> is it possible that mysql needs a password?
[05:54] <penguinboy> the thing I so not undrstand about bittorent is that there is no central depository with a searchable lisitng for downloads
[05:54] <nmorse> Beats me, but I think it does
[05:54] <nmorse> Tracker sites do that penguinboy 
[05:55] <nmorse> Though there is a decentralised bt these days
[05:55] <sbcl3> no one here has done mysql work? *sigh*
[05:55] <penguinboy> how do you access tracker sites?
[05:55] <nmorse> PostgresSQL for me
[05:55] <nmorse> Just google penguinboy
[05:55] <penguinboy> google penguinboy?
[05:55] <penguinboy> LOL
[05:55] <nmorse> like Raimuiro Senkintan torrent
[05:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats talisman?
[05:55] <nmorse> Gets you a tracker and that site usually keeps the stuff you want
[05:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is that like kde?
[05:56] <nmorse> What the crud is talisman?
[05:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't know
[05:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's something from deviant art
[05:57] <penguinboy> its working
[05:57] <penguinboy> its working
[05:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://www.lighttek.com/themes/themes.php?PGN=4&D1=0&D2=0&D3=0&D4=10&D5=Date
[05:57] <penguinboy> Happy Happy Joy Joy
[05:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> theres an lcars theme for talisman there
[05:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but i don't know what it is or if it's for linux
[05:58] <nmorse> Beats me too
[05:58] <nmorse> Just look on kde-look.org for lcars
[05:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[06:00] <nmorse> ChurcH_of_FoamY: looking at the LCARS sounds yet?
[06:01] <penguinboy> night mi amigoas y amigas!
[06:02] <penguinboy> one more thing....how can I download bittorrent for Linux?
[06:03] <monchy> search in (k/s)ynaptic
[06:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no 
[06:04] <nmorse> Azureus is available from azureus.sf.net
[06:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i coulden't find anything there that i thought i could use
[06:04] <nmorse> Bittornado's ok, but doesn't work for me some of the time
[06:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and somehow doing a search for wiccan theme
[06:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i cam acrost a irc chat log that has what i said verbatim
[06:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it kinda pisses me off
[06:05] <nmorse> Fun, eh?
[06:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> becuase when i say stuff i don't expect to find it pasted on the fucking inet
[06:05] <nmorse> Look at my Jabber logs sometime, they're hilarious
[06:06] <nmorse> That's what a public room is for, buddy
[06:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i bet i just am surprised that it can be done lol
[06:06] <nmorse> Ever read Freenode's terms of service?
[06:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wasen't expecting it
[06:06] <mrmanic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: also, have you ever seen bash.org?
[06:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no
[06:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> <--is now gonna start watching very carefully what he says
[06:07] <mrmanic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: heh.  thousands upon thousands of humorous quotes from IRC
[06:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice
[06:07] <nmorse> hit the random link sometimes
[06:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm not mad just terribly surprised
[06:07] <penguinboy> how do you run bittorrent after dowenload?
[06:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> diden't know that such a thing could be done
[06:09] <penguinboy> so you just search at a trackign site and bittorrent just does its job?
[06:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/kubuntu-2005-05-07.html
[06:09] <monchy> how does jabber work exactly nmorse, i've only ever used the msn/aim networks in gaim
[06:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> someone named jeff waugh pasted it
[06:09] <sbcl3> i'm wondering; for mod_perl in apache2 where do i point the perl script to?
[06:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> back when i was really new
[06:09] <sbcl3> is it still /usr/bin/perl?
[06:10] <nmorse> No idea
[06:10] <nmorse> monchy: Jabber is an XML stream based IM service including Multi-User Chat
[06:10] <nmorse> Open Source servers available no less
[06:11] <penguinboy> night guys
[06:11] <nmorse> Check out jabber.org, monchy
[06:11] <monchy> k
[06:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> do people do it by themselves or do they do it automaticly?
[06:11] <monchy> it's better than just using the msn/aim services etc?
[06:11] <Octane> anyone here use guarddog and NFS?
[06:12] <Octane> if so, what did you check to make it work
[06:12] <Octane> because I checked off Network File System, and that doesnt seem to do it
[06:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> whats a kicker panel?
[06:13] <nmorse> I like it better than AIM/MSN
[06:13] <nmorse> It has no spambots, etc.
[06:13] <monchy> k last question lol, what about all my contacts ;p
[06:13] <nmorse> The fairly decentralised network is slightly harder to do that on
[06:13] <nmorse> Make them switch to Jabber
[06:13] <monchy> blah that'd be hard to do
[06:13] <nmorse> Jabber works in Kopete and Gaim, so don't worry about your other protocols
[06:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nmorse are the lcars sounds any good
[06:16] <nmorse> No idea, don't use them (mostly due to the fact that I don't want to take the time to change all my system sounds)
[06:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[06:18] <nmorse> Just download them and play them with any music player
[06:18] <nmorse> Octane: sound working now?
[06:18] <Octane> nmorse,  ya man
[06:18] <Octane> just had to reboot is all, but i hope it wont become a problem
[06:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> weard theres only lcars wallpapers
[06:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thought there would be for themes
[06:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no wiccan/pagan ones either :(
[06:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh well
[06:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i gusse
[06:21] <nmorse> Octane: the problem was probably esd or something besides arts was running and blocking the soundcard
[06:21] <nmorse> Next time try a 'killall esd; artsd'
[06:25] <monchy> ok i think i'm signed up lol
[06:25] <nmorse> Excellent
[06:25] <nmorse> Join jabber on conference.jabber.org
[06:25] <nmorse> or anime or jdev
[06:26] <nmorse> or fish, which is my room
[06:30] <pinnedbot> nmorse, thanks man. KDE rocks! thanks again, it works like a charm now
[06:31] <nmorse> not a problem, pinnedbot
[06:33] <pharma_joe> hello
[06:33] <nmorse> hello
[06:34] <pharma_joe> i need some help with a problem
[06:34] <sbcl3> are there any terminal irc apps?
[06:34] <nmorse> ask away
[06:34] <nmorse> sbcl3: try irssi
[06:35] <pharma_joe> whenever I try to switch kaffeine to fullscreen whilst playing video, it crashes
[06:35] <nmorse> Okay, you need some bugfix updates
[06:36] <pharma_joe> cool where can I get em from?
[06:36] <nmorse> add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:36] <nmorse> deb http://kubuntu.org/ hoary-updates main
[06:36] <nmorse> If you want kde 3.4.1 you can add kde-341 to the end of http://kubuntu.org/
[06:36] <pharma_joe> k gimme a sec....
[06:36] <nmorse> s/kde-341/hoary-kde341
[06:37] <_pax> Guys, what's Kubuntu 'official' ftp client?
[06:37] <nmorse> Don't think there is one, but KBear works
[06:37] <_pax> Let me rephrase, what FTP client comes packed with KDE?
[06:37] <nmorse> KBear is as close as it gets
[06:38] <_pax> KBera, nice, Thanks nmorse :0
[06:38] <nmorse> GFTP if you can stand gtk2 stuff
[06:38] <_pax> No thanks lol.
[06:38] <_pax> I'll give KBear a shot.
[06:39] <nmorse> Good luck with it
[06:39] <_pax> Eh, why any known issues with it?
[06:40] <nmorse> No, just not as easy as it could be, but it's a good program
[06:40] <nmorse> Just saying "Good Luck"
[06:40] <_pax> aw, thanks bro.
[06:41] <pharma_joe> ok im updating kaffeine now, using kynaptic
[06:42] <nmorse> Excellent
[06:43] <pharma_joe> done! all working! thanks for the help!
[06:43] <_pax> Oh wow, this thing rocks. 
[06:46] <nmorse> Glad to help you guys
[06:47] <_pax> lol wait a minute, this vertical view thingy is confusing!
[06:49] <Arrow> Hi all
[06:49] <Arrow> question...
[06:50] <nmorse> yes?
[06:50] <Arrow> in the 'live' cd dist...k3b is missing a file...has this been addressed?
[06:53] <nmorse> The Kubuntu live dist?
[06:53] <nmorse> Did you try the cd in the topic?
[06:53] <Arrow> the 'live' disk...the latest with KDE 3.4.1
[06:55] <nmorse> The one up there in the topic? 5.04.3?
[06:55] <Arrow> k3b detected my burner ok...when i went to set the speed...it said it needed (x) to do the acual burning
[06:56] <nmorse> Ah, yeah, you need to install cdrdao or was it cdrecord?
[06:56] <Arrow> cdrdao that's it
[06:57] <Arrow> not a prob..usually..I was trying to boot then back up
[06:57] <nmorse> Ah
[06:57] <nmorse> I wonder if amu fixed that in the latest version?
[06:58] <Arrow> I had a prob mounting some M$ server partitions..is there a trick to it...manual edit of mtab? possible?
[06:59] <nmorse> Hmm
[07:00] <anees> is there any way to mount a mdf file?
[07:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just a stupid question any pagans here?
[07:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> pm me if there is
[07:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have an idea
[07:01] <Arrow> not really a prob :)
[07:03] <nmorse> goodbye, IRC
[07:03] <Arrow> Oh if anyone is in the know...with kynaptic.. I have a real slow net connection..
[07:04] <Arrow> so I loaded some of the bigger debs on a cd down at the college....
[07:05] <Arrow> now i need to make sure that when I add the cd to sources.list.. the local package is selected and not the ftp one...
[07:06] <Arrow> does that happen in written order?
[07:06] <Arrow> like if I list the CD first?
[07:08] <douglas> Does the fstab option umask=002 make it so that all users and write and read from a volume?
[07:09] <Arrow> Mandrake
[07:09] <crimsun> douglas: no, that would be 000
[07:09] <Arrow> Oh right fstab ..slapps head...meant that
[07:09] <douglas> so if I make it 000, anyone can read and write to it?
[07:10] <crimsun> douglas: theoretically. Granted, most filesystems have additional checks.
[07:11] <douglas> well it's vfat?
[07:11] <crimsun> it's a VERY bad idea to allow all users write and execute access to some file.
[07:12] <douglas> my dad uses windows and he put a hard drive in my linux server for now until he can build a windows one for himself. I want to allow him through samba to write to and read from that hard drive.
[07:14] <crimsun> it's silly to give mount the vfat partitions with umask=000
[07:14] <crimsun> a much better plan is to grant his user write and execute access to the directories he needs
[07:14] <crimsun> i.e., add his user to the appropriate non-system groups
[07:15] <douglas> I know, but it's on a home network, it's temporary, and I just want to know how if I need to again?
[07:15] <crimsun> I don't understand the latter portion of your question, because it's phrased awkwardly.
[07:15] <douglas> sorry.
[07:16] <douglas> oh, I'm saying, if I need to do these sort of permissions again, then I would like to learn now!
[07:17] <crimsun> well, to what sort of things is his user going to need write and execute access?
[07:19] <crimsun> mmkay.
[07:21] <Arrow> wtitten order precidence...
[07:21] <Arrow> sound right?
[07:21] <crimsun> no, precedence is not based on order in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:22] <crimsun> to pin priorities based on repository source, you need to read man 5 apt_preferences
[07:22] <Arrow> ok rtfm :)
[07:23] <Arrow> thanks :)
[07:24] <Arrow> probably woulda spent half a day figgering out 'where' to read :)
[07:24] <anees> does any1 know how to mount mdf files 
[07:25] <Arrow> mdf?
[07:25] <Arrow> not a major file type
[07:26] <anees> its from alcohol 110%
[07:26] <Arrow> and it's a file system?
[07:27] <anees> yea
[07:27] <Arrow> The third field, (fs_vfstype), describes the type  of  the  filesystem.
[07:27] <Arrow>        Linux  supports  lots  of filesystem types, such as adfs, affs, autofs,
[07:27] <Arrow>        coda, coherent, cramfs, devpts, efs, ext2, ext3,  hfs,  hpfs,  iso9660,
[07:27] <Arrow>        jfs,  minix,  msdos,  ncpfs,  nfs,  ntfs,  proc, qnx4, reiserfs, romfs,
[07:27] <Arrow>        smbfs, sysv, tmpfs, udf, ufs, umsdos, vfat, xenix,  xfs,  and  possibly
[07:27] <Arrow>        others.
[07:27] <Arrow> fstab man page
[07:28] <Arrow> don't know about the 'possibly others'..
[07:28] <anees> o any way to convert it to iso?
[07:29] <Arrow> I don't know...
[07:29] <Llanowyn|Sonic> can't alcohol rip to .iso
[07:30] <Llanowyn|Sonic> oh, the doomsday zone owned me :'(
[07:30] <anees> so wut should i do rip it first then transfer?
[07:31] <Arrow> nite all
[07:31] <Llanowyn> omg, so am i
[07:31] <Llanowyn> :-D
[07:31] <anees> lol its the best arrow just to let u know
[07:31] <anees> usin it right now
[07:32] <Arrow> well I need to work on apt_preferences
[07:33] <Arrow> reading KUDOS software managment FAQ
[07:34] <Arrow> 6. ... edit /etc/apt/preferences
[07:35] <kalenedrael> what program can open a .svg file?
[07:36] <Arrow> Inkscape
[07:36] <Arrow> sodipodi
[07:37] <kalenedrael> thanks
[07:37] <Arrow> KDE has an editor too
[07:37] <Arrow> and Scribus can read and write them...but is not a SVG editor
[07:37] <kalenedrael> kde has an editor for svg?
[07:37] <Arrow> seems so :)
[07:39] <Arrow> wait i'll look it up
[07:43] <Arrow> yes there is a program called Ksvg 
[07:43] <Arrow> that's in the kdegraphics file
[07:44] <Arrow> must be an editor...it's 1.2 megs
[07:45] <Arrow> heads
[08:45] <hussam> what's the difference between kubuntu-5.04.2-i386-live.iso andkubuntu-5.04.3-i386-live.iso ?
[08:46] <kalenedrael> looks like a minor change
[08:46] <amu>  bmv vv   v  vvv                                           flffkfkffjjgvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
[08:46] <kalenedrael> cleaning the keyboard?
[08:46] <opi> amu: Sounds like polish after vodka ;)
[08:47] <kalenedrael> or did you just drop your hands on the keyboard?
[08:47] <hussam> I know it's a minor change, but is there a change log somewhere?
[08:47] <kalenedrael> dunno, look for one
[08:48] <kalenedrael> usually better to get the newer one
[08:48] <kalenedrael> ...
[08:50] <hussam> i'm guessing the change is an update to koffice.
[08:51] <hussam> I haven't used koffice recently. is 1.4 any good?
[08:55] <kalenedrael> dunno, i don't use it
[09:21] <sbcl3> if i downloaded sun's jdk and sun's j2re, do i have the java virtual machine
[09:21] <sbcl3> and therefore able to run thigns like azureus?
[09:23] <dataangel> sbcl3: You only needed the j2re
[09:23] <dataangel> sbcl3: You only need the jdk if you're going to be coding in java yourself
[09:25] <sbcl3> yeah i know
[09:25] <sbcl3> thanks
[09:25] <sbcl3> nmorse: are you still here?
[09:51] <dataangel> Does kubuntu come with a firewall on?
[09:52] <transgress> i don't believe so dataangel 
[09:57] <bhna> no
[09:58] <dataangel> weird
[09:58] <dataangel> azureus NAT error, works fine in winblowz
[10:17] <Thomas2> what is the correct way to setup a printer using kubuntu with no gnome installed?
[10:24] <bhna> kdesu kcontrol ->angeschlossene Gerte -> Drucker -> Hinzufgen
[10:24] <bhna> Thomas2: kdesu kcontrol ->angeschlossene Gerte -> Drucker -> Hinzufgen
[11:02] <ekCo> helo
[11:03] <ekCo> when running teamspeak, (well trying), i get this error. Qt: Locales not supported on X server.. Nothing happens afterwards, how can i fix this?
[11:14] <Sabin> how easy is it to convert an ubuntu install to kubuntu?
[11:15] <Tm_T> very
[11:15] <Tm_T> just apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:15] <Sabin> I just downloaded the ubuntu cd and just found out about this project
[11:15] <Sabin> sweet
[11:15] <Tm_T> hmm, you should add some repos though
[11:16] <Tm_T> I mean, I advise to add ;)
[11:16] <Tm_T> you can use this as an example: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/temp/sources.list-temp
[11:16] <Sabin> I read the ubuntu wiki thuroughly because I really don't know what I'm doing
[11:16] <Tm_T> heh
[11:17] <Sabin> so I unserstand now how to do most things
[11:17] <ekCo> when running teamspeak, (well trying), i get this error. Qt: Locales not supported on X server.. Nothing happens afterwards, how can i fix this?
[11:17] <Sabin> linux has come a long way since 2 years ago
[11:18] <Sabin> so I'm gonna give it another try to become my desktop of choice
[11:19] <Tm_T> heh
[11:19] <Tm_T> some people say linux is hard to use and ugly...
[11:20] <Tm_T> I used windows last weekend and I found it one piece of shit =)
[11:20] <Tm_T> reminds me why I don't use it
[11:21] <Sabin> hey if I get cedega to run and teamspeak it just might be the windows killer for me
[11:23] <Sabin> am I correct that grub should recognize that I have XP and auto setup dual booting?
[11:24] <Tm_T> yyaight
[11:24] <Sabin> I understand things don't always work the way they are supposed to
[11:25] <Tm_T> well, yeah =)
[11:25] <Sabin> well then I think I'm off to try to install ubuntu on my second drive 
[11:26] <Tm_T> great =)
[11:28] <Sabin> so should I set my list of repositories to look exactly like what is in that link?
[11:28] <Tm_T> use it as an exapmle, take what you wan't to use
[11:29] <Sabin> thank you for the help
[11:30] <Tm_T> np
[11:30] <Tm_T> ask anything
[11:30] <Tm_T> (related to kubuntu ;) )
[11:30] <Sabin> I will probably be back later
[11:31] <Sabin> hell I'll probably be back to just absorb knowledge
[11:39] <Mez> gah
[11:39] <Mez> can anyone remeber how to get thde default KDE k menu stuff (like recerntly used applciaitons etc etc
[11:40] <Tm_T> Mez: rightclick kicker -> configure panel -> taskbar ->
[11:40] <Tm_T> nno
[11:40] <Tm_T> layout -> menus
[11:40] <Tm_T> Mez: found it?
[11:41] <Mez> yreah
[11:41] <Tm_T> good
[11:42] <Mez> god i hate reinstalls
[11:42] <Mez> means i have to find every otpion again
[12:01] <LazyboY^> can anyone tell me if there is a program that I can use to mount bin/cue files.. I have tryed to installe "mount-iso-image-0.9", but with on luck..  
[12:18] <sabin> hello 
[12:18] <sabin> how can I see the files on my XP drive?
[12:20] <_angelo> Sabin: edit your /etc/fstab file with root access
[12:22] <_angelo> add this line: /dev/hda1       /mnt/winxp  vfat    umask=000       0       0
[12:22] <_angelo> that is if your xp hdd is hda1 and is formated in fat32
[12:23] <_angelo> you'll need to make a folder in /mnt called  winxp first
[12:24] <_angelo> when you've done all that write this in you shell: sudo mount -a
[12:27] <sabin> what if it is NTFS?
[12:27] <sabin> which it is
[12:29] <_angelo> i think its ntfs in the place of vfat
[12:29] <setine> Beer load [    \                ]  23%
[12:30] <_angelo> try if its rong it i'll give you an error when you give the sudo mount -a command
[12:31] <sabin> thank you
[12:32] <sabin> are there any other repositories I should add other than the ones in the ubuntuGuide?
[12:34] <Tm_T> hmm
[12:34] <Tm_T> sabin: in the file I gave you?
[12:34] <Tm_T> some kubuntu repos
[12:37] <_angelo> hey can anyone help me configure my scaner
[12:37] <_angelo> i cant find the configure tool on the control center
[12:38] <_angelo> it gives me the printer photocamera mouse config tool but no scanner
[12:45] <sabin> wow I'm getting 900k from theses repositories
[12:46] <Riddell> _angelo: try installing kooka
[12:46] <_angelo> already did and sane
[12:47] <_angelo> its strange cus it gives me the same error on mandriva
[12:48] <_angelo> i also tried it on a mac and it works
[12:48] <Tm_T> hi Riddell 
[12:48] <_angelo> mac os 10.3
[12:49] <_angelo> :(
[12:51] <Tm_T> hmh, so breezy is still broken :/
[12:52] <Riddell> Tm_T: works for me
[12:53] <Tm_T> hmm
[12:53] <aboe> can someone read what I type??
[12:54] <Tm_T> aboe: no I can't ;--P
[12:54] <aboe> thnx
[12:54] <aboe> first time irc...
[12:55] <Tm_T> Riddell: yeah, maybe for you ;)
[12:55] <aboe> I was talking about me
[12:55] <Tm_T> maybe I'll test breezy in august :)
[12:56] <aboe> hope breezy will be just as good as hoary 
[12:58] <Tm_T> aboe better ;)
[01:25] <_pax> Guys, Kontact is getting annoying, asking for password every time I send or try to receive email. My pass is stored already, why does it keep asking?
[01:30] <_jaro> hi all
[01:38] <_jaro> does anyone know why Rosegarden won't work ?
[01:39] <_jaro> something about RoseGarden Sequencer doesn't work
[01:40] <sabin> I just installed ubuntu then updated it with the kubuntu desktop package
[01:40] <_jaro> and maybe someone knows how to install the new kernel
[01:41] <sabin> is it supposed to look diffrent or is it just supposed to look the same
[01:41] <_jaro> you should have kde
[01:41] <_jaro> desktop
[01:41] <_jaro> but of course you must select it be standard
[01:41] <_jaro> default
[01:42] <sabin> how would I go about doing that?
[01:42] <sabin> I assume an X option
[01:43] <mindspin> sabin , could you retell your problem? 
[01:43] <bambi> hi
[01:43] <_jaro> he wants to swap to kde desktop
[01:43] <_jaro> you can chose kde while on the login screen
[01:43] <_jaro> but then you have to use-ChangeDesktop option
[01:43] <_jaro> in your Menu
[01:44] <sabin> yes
[01:44] <_jaro> i cant find it atm
[01:44] <bambi> i got a small question too :D
[01:45] <sabin> how do I make KDE the default desktop?
[01:46] <mindspin> sorry kde is my default desktop by default, just from the beginning...
[01:46] <mindspin> ask bambi
[01:46] <Tm_T> sabin: in login screen, sessions ;)
[01:46] <sabin> by the way the install and updates went flawlessly
[01:46] <Tm_T> hi \sh 
[01:47] <bambi> since i installed nvidia drivers to my new ubuntu, and changed the screen resolution to 1280x1024 @ 75Khz, there are some small graphic bugs, for example: clicking a small icon on my task bar produces normally a small jumping image of the program that is loading. For me, this jumping pics have an white background, but the background should be transparten
[01:47] <\sh> re
[01:48] <_jaro> Tm_T: can you tell me whats wrong with my rosegarden, since he says something about sequencer not being correct ?
[01:48] <Tm_T> hmm, midi stuff?
[01:49] <_jaro> i dont know 
[01:49] <_jaro> it just wont work
[01:49] <_jaro> i installed via apt
[01:49] <_jaro> there still might be a missing package
[01:54] <_bambi> since i installed nvidia drivers to my new ubuntu, and changed the screen resolution to 1280x1024 @ 75Khz, there are some small graphic bugs, for example: clicking a small icon on my task bar produces normally a small jumping image of the program that is loading. For me, this jumping pics have an white background, but the background should be transparten
[01:56] <mindspin> bambi try ubuntu, this seems for me a hardware nvidia issue....
[01:56] <mindspin> maybe some packages missing
[01:56] <_jaro> does anyone know how to get a via s3 unichrome to work with 3D ?
[01:56] <mindspin> but tht#s not my world (hardware/nvidia)
[01:57] <mindspin> eh #ubuntu
[01:57] <_bambi> thx i'll try
[04:00] <LazyboY^> can anyone tell me if there is a program that I can use to mount bin/cue files.. I have tryed to installe "mount-iso-image-0.9", but with out any luck..  
[04:12] <rodolfo> hi, I have problems configuring my network cards with kcontrol; it looks like the values are not stored in /etc/network/interfaces...is this a problem of kcontrol?
[04:21] <mindspin> rodolfo didi you call kcontrol with sudo kcontrol?
[04:22] <rodolfo> yes
[04:23] <mindspin> then it should work ;-(
[04:23] <mindspin> have a try from bash
[04:24] <mindspin> sudo ifcongig eth0 ip-address
[04:24] <mindspin> ifconfig
[04:25] <rodolfo> mindspin: after playing around, the network card works, but it's annoying every time I change configuration, e.g. with the wifi card
[04:26] <mindspin> wifi is a source of troubles, I still haven# installed wifi
[04:26] <airox> It is ? :)
[04:26] <mindspin> check tthe forums, it may help
[04:26] <rodolfo> do you think/know it's a problem of kde 3.4?
[04:27] <mindspin> I dunno
[04:27] <mindspin> lots of people ask questions about wif
[05:45] <mdipi_> hey all, I'm having some trouble installing Kubuntu from Ubuntu 
[05:45] <mdipi_> can anyone help?
[05:52] <mdipi_> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[05:52] <mdipi_> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[05:53] <kalenedrael> hmm
[05:53] <mdipi_> I get that error whenever I run 'sudo apt-get update'
[05:53] <kalenedrael> odd
[05:53] <uniq> how deos your /etc/apt/sources.list look like? 
[05:53] <mdipi_> after doing 'sudo apt-get kubuntu-deaktop'
[05:53] <mdipi_> want me to just paste it in here?
[05:53] <kalenedrael> no
[05:53] <uniq> no.
[05:53] <uniq> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/
[05:53] <kalenedrael> paste it on some paste site
[05:53] <mdipi_> okay
[05:53] <mdipi_> sorry /me is n00b
[05:55] <mdipi_> http://kubunut.pastebin.com/302257
[05:56] <mdipi_> thats my source.list
[06:00] <uniq> mdipi_: hang on.. i'm testing it.
[06:01] <kalenedrael> change the us.archive.ubuntu.com to gb.archive.ubuntu.com or just archive.ubuntu.com
[06:01] <uniq> mdipi_: you can try to add a # infront of the first line. remove the cdrom.
[06:01] <uniq> +to remove the cdrom from the list.
[06:02] <kalenedrael> the US ubuntu apt repos are a bit fuxed, i think
[06:02] <uniq> the sources.list file works here.. the errors are for the cdrom.
[06:02] <kalenedrael> oh
[06:03] <mdipi_> okay i'll try that guys
[06:03] <mdipi_> thanks a bunch
[06:03] <uniq> does it work? 
[06:04] <mdipi_> editing it right now
[06:04] <mdipi_> i didnt have it in frot of me
[06:05] <mdipi_> so 
[06:05] <mdipi_> deb cdrom:[......
[06:05] <mdipi_> im getting rid of that 'cdrom'
[06:05] <mdipi_> ?
[06:06] <uniq> mdipi_: no.. just add a # infront of the line.
[06:07] <uniq> mdipi_: # deb cdrom:[.....
[06:07] <uniq> save, exit and apt-get update
[06:08] <mdipi_> okay
[06:09] <chx> for some reason , I really do not know why, the numeric keypad begins to work very strange -- I surely press something just do not know what , most of  the keypresses do not do anything, in konversation pressing 5 resents  a menu :(  My keyboard is intl. keyb 105  xkb extension are disabled
[06:10] <kalenedrael> hit numlock?
[06:10] <chx> tried N times :)
[06:10] <kalenedrael> is the numlock light on?
[06:10] <chx> yes
[06:10] <kalenedrael> hm
[06:11] <chx> but apparrently it does not matter
[06:11] <chx> numpad 5 works like right mouse button
[06:11] <chx> regardless of numlock settings
[06:11] <uniq> take a look at /etc/sysctl.conf
[06:13] <chx> remark lines
[06:13] <mdipi_> uniq, I got an error still
[06:13] <chx> nothing else
[06:13] <uniq> mdipi_: can you paste the whole output to pastebin? 
[06:13] <mdipi_> sure
[06:13] <uniq> chx: ok.. then i don't know.
[06:13] <mdipi_> everything from when i started the apt-get
[06:13] <mdipi_> to the error?
[06:13] <uniq> yes.
[06:13] <mdipi_> sure thing
[06:14] <mdipi_> http://kubunut.pastebin.com/302259
[06:15] <uniq> mdipi_: ahh.. you have a timeout to the backports mirror.
[06:15] <philipacamaniac> mdipi_: it simply says that your backports mirror isn't working
[06:16] <mdipi_> uniq, philipacamaniac, so is there anything i should do about that? or is it okay? 
[06:16] <uniq> you should change to another mirror.
[06:17] <mdipi_> okay thanks guys
[06:17] <uniq> change http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ to http://acm.cs.umn.edu/ubp/ 
[06:17] <mdipi_> k
[06:17] <mdipi_> do that now
[06:18] <mdipi_> uniq, perfect! worked like a charm
[06:19] <uniq> mdipi_: great :)
[06:22] <Ghetek> is anybody else here not very satisfied with kopete?
[06:23] <mart> Ghetek: like what?
[06:23] <Ghetek> i dunno, little things that gaim does right. i think gnome beats out knome on best IM app
[06:23] <Ghetek> like kopete has trouble reconnecting
[06:23] <Ghetek> somtimes it drops sent messages and stuff
[06:24] <airox> No problems over here.
[06:24] <Ghetek> and there is no log, so if it crashes (so far its crashed 5 times) i dont know what was said
[06:24] <mendred> talking about kopete
[06:24] <mart> Ghetek: use the history plugin
[06:24] <Ghetek> history?
[06:24] <mendred> is translucency broken?
[06:24] <airox> mendred: Translucent windows ?
[06:24] <mendred> after i updated to kde 3.4.1
[06:25] <mendred> yes
[06:25] <mart> Ghetek: Settings->Configure Plugins
[06:25] <airox> mendred: It is provided with the X.org module called composite afaik.
[06:25] <airox> The module is experimental also afaik.
[06:25] <mart> Ghetek: personally I find kopete much better than gaim, it seems to deal with multiplie accounts for yourself and for other people much better
[06:26] <mendred> see
[06:26] <mendred> i have no problems with konsole
[06:26] <mendred> only kopete's translucency suddenly stopped working
[06:26] <mendred> after updating to 3.4.`
[06:26] <mendred> 3.4.1
[06:26] <Ghetek> mart: do you know where i can get more little icons for kopete? to have a custom icon for each person
[06:27] <Ghetek> isnt there anywhere i can get a big hunk tgz of icons (nice png's)?
[06:28] <mart> Ghetek: there's a kde-emoticons package for some distros, maybe it's in breezy...
[06:29] <airox> Ghetek: There is a script around somewhere to fetch the real msn messenger icons. Maybe you want those, maybe not :)
[06:30] <Ghetek> mmm
[06:30] <Ghetek> what icons fom my kopete can people see from aim?
[06:30] <mart> Ghetek: you might get more help in #lkopete
[06:30] <mart> #kopete. even
[06:31] <Ghetek> haha
[06:31] <Ghetek> ok
[06:32] <Ghetek> i just dont want to go into their channel and bring up problems with there software... all i have to compare to is gaim and they must hate people saying gaim can do this... gaim can do that...
[06:33] <Ghetek> and i like having all kde stuff
[06:33] <mart> Ghetek: I'm sure if you play with kopete you'll find a lot that gaim can't do to
[06:33] <Ghetek> mmm
[06:34] <Ghetek> well im off to breakfast and when i come back, to the kopete channel
[06:34] <Ghetek> thanks guys
[07:11] <str> anyone using monodevelop?
[07:12] <Tm_T> nmorse: o/
[07:30] <chx>  hi. numpad 5 works as if right mouse button is pressed, under numpad keys are also very strange. numlock pressed or not does not matter. I have no idea how I did this. xkb options disabled. Generic 105 keyboard. if I reboot it's ok and the console is working OK as well. I press something for sure. but what?
[08:20] <Tm_T> whoa!
[08:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> good afternoon all
[08:22] <Tm_T> yup
[08:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how do you remove a program settings and all?
[08:22] <Tm_T> evening
[08:22] <shogouki> 8pm here
[08:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well then evenin Tm_t
[08:23] <Tm_T> 21:23
[08:23] <Tm_T> ChurcH_of_FoamY: apt-get purge foo
[08:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^ thank you
[08:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and you sudo that yes?
[08:24] <Tm_T> if I need to
[08:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm tells me it's an invalid operation
[08:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> weard
[08:26] <Tm_T> hm
[08:26] <Tm_T> was it apt-get remove --purge then
[08:26] <Tm_T> can't remember
[08:26] <Tm_T> purge anyway
[08:27] <Tm_T> you can use "sudo dpkg -P foo" too
[08:27] <u19809x> How can I configure kubuntu su a double click on a DVD autostarts mplayer with proper arguments ?
[08:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[08:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what is fedora core 2?
[08:31] <shogouki> google is a god friend
[08:31] <shogouki> good*
[08:31] <shogouki> :)
[08:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ah yes keep forgetting google >.<
[08:33] <liz4rd> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;247804
[08:35] <Tm_T> =)
[08:36] <uniq> thanks for the irrelevant info :)
[08:38] <buz> what kind of crap fs is xfs, anyway?
[08:38] <buz> a journaling fs that won't boot thru after a hard reset?!?
[08:39] <uniq> i've had only good experiences with xfs.
[08:39] <buz> so far i only had them as well
[08:39] <buz> but if the system fails to mount root because xfs can't replay its journal you get to think about it
[08:40] <uniq> sure do.. sounds strange..
[08:40] <buz> yeah
[08:40] <buz> but found a few posts with the same issue on google
[08:40] <buz> lets hope it's an isolated incident
[08:41] <buz> i have good backups but i wouldn't want to rebuild the box these days
[08:41] <buz> no time for stuff like that
[08:44] <Tm_T> jeps
[08:59] <_pax> guys, how do you start kxdocker?
[08:59] <Tm_T> sounds like bloat gui app
[09:00] <_pax> hehe well yes it is.
[09:00] <Tm_T> bah :p
[09:01] <_pax> you learn alot from the process of installing, running and fixing 'bloat gui apps' and other junk.
[09:01] <Tm_T> _pax: I use KDE; ehat do you think ;p
[09:01] <Tm_T> hmm, too much typos
[09:03] <_pax> Tm_T, I installed the app locally to /home/tm_t/.kde/share/apps/kxdocker ho do you think it should start?
[09:03] <Tm_T> just run it
[09:04] <_pax> bash: kxdcoker: command not found
[09:04] <uniq> that's because you installed it to a crazy location :)
[09:04] <Tm_T> "~/.kde/share/apps/kxdocker"
[09:04] <_pax> hehe Ha, now we talking.
[09:05] <Tm_T> or whatever
[09:05] <uniq> you can make it work i guess.. but i'd recommend installing it properly.
[09:06] <_pax> uniq: how?
[09:06] <azol> hi all. I don't see kmail icon in my kubuntu. is it ok?
[09:06] <uniq> http://www.xiaprojects.com/www/prodotti/kxdocker/main.php?action=download#binary
[09:07] <uniq> get the kubuntu package.
[09:07] <Slackman> hey guys, can anyone tell me how i would go about getting 2.6.12 into hoary? i've heard of apt-pinning...is this something i can do with hoary?
[09:07] <Slackman> i've got an ibook, and 2.6.12 fixes the problem with it crashing after it sleeps
[09:08] <Tm_T> azol: yup, go from kontact
[09:09] <cabajgtr> Hey, can anyone help me with a little bash scripting question?
[09:09] <Tm_T> yup
[09:09] <cabajgtr> I'm try to write a script to purge backups
[09:10] <Tm_T> and?
[09:10] <cabajgtr> I have rsync snapshots saved in /year/month/day format
[09:10] <_pax> uniq: thanks I'm checking it out.
[09:10] <cabajgtr> and I wan't to be able to delete monday-thursday backups over a month old
[09:11] <cabajgtr> but I can't figure out how to convert from an increment of days into a day of week or month
[09:12] <cabajgtr> I suppose i could write some sort of table that calculates how many days are in each month and figure it out, but is there a better way?
[09:15] <cabajgtr> no ideas?
[09:16] <_pax> uniq
[09:20] <uniq> slackman: add breezy sources to /etc/apt/sources.list (clone your existing lines and change 'hoary' to 'breezy' and make them use different mirrors) make the file /etc/apt/preferences and put three lines in it: 'Package: *' \n 'Pin: origin breezy.mirror.archive.ubuntu.com' \n 'Pin-Priority: 200' - save and exit and run: sudo apt-get update;apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-1-powerpc initrd-tools=0.1.78ubuntu1 
[09:21] <uniq> slackman: \n is new line.. and breezy.mirror. is whichever mirror you choose to download breezy stuff from. the important this is that it's different from the hoary mirror.
[09:22] <uniq> and that you put the breezy mirror hostname in /etc/apt/preferences , not the hoary mirror. you can check if it's actually working with 'sudo apt-get -s dist-upgrade' (-s for simulate).
[09:23] <uniq> i wouldn't recommend installing more packages from breezy.
[09:23] <uniq> _pax: yes? 
[09:24] <uniq> cabajgtr: can you explain more in detail how the naming is? - and give an example? 
[09:25] <cabajgtr> yeah
[09:26] <cabajgtr> so the data is like /backup/
[09:26] <cabajgtr> sorry /backup/2005/Jun/14/fileserver/data
[09:26] <uniq> ok.
[09:27] <uniq> and you'd like to figure out what day 14 is? 
[09:27] <cabajgtr> well, its not difficult mathematically as long as your in the same month
[09:27] <cabajgtr> but, say, what about 32 days ago
[09:27] <_pax> can't get this kxdocker to work.
[09:31] <uniq> w
[09:31] <uniq> ops.
[09:32] <cabajgtr> the other way to do it might be, "what day of the week was may 6?"
[09:35] <uniq> cabajgtr: can't you use something like 'ls -g --time-style=+%A' ? 
[09:36] <uniq> cabajgtr: to answer your last question 'date -d 2005-05-05 +%A'
[09:37] <cabajgtr> aha, that is what i was looking for
[09:37] <cabajgtr> must have missed it in the man file
[09:42] <cabajgtr> is there a way to feed date the day in any other format?
[09:43] <cabajgtr> like days since jan 1
[09:43] <cabajgtr> ?
[09:48] <ubuntu> hi
[09:53] <Slackman> thanks uniq , i'll give it a go tomorrow when i can concentrate a bit more. 
[09:54] <wizzard> hi, does somebody know a RSS reader with images support?
[09:55] <Tm_T> like akregator?
[09:56] <wizzard> yep
[09:56] <wizzard> Akregator does not support the images in RSS
[09:56] <Tm_T> hmeh
[09:56] <Slackman> why would you want to display images in rss?
[09:57] <\sh> wizzard, what? 
[09:57] <wizzard> Straw neither
[09:57] <\sh> wizzard, i can watch images
[09:57] <wizzard> cause I am creating the RSS feeds
[09:57] <wizzard> hm, but the images work in SharpReader
[09:58] <Tm_T> heh
[09:58] <wizzard> for example the feed http://comics-salon.sk/rss.php?eng
[09:58] <Tm_T> wizzard: check your akre configuration ;)
[09:58] <wizzard> I did not change any thing
[09:59] <wizzard> I have Akre 1.1.1
[09:59] <wizzard> does not seem to support the images
[10:00] <\sh> wizzard: i don't see any images in your feed.
[10:00] <\sh> wizzard, i mean in the xml source
[10:00] <wizzard> me either
[10:00] <wizzard> it is the global image in the feed header
[10:01] <\sh> ah :)
[10:01] <wizzard> it should be displayed in every news
[10:01] <\sh> this image u mean :)
[10:01] <wizzard> yep
[10:01] <\sh> then check http://shermann.blogweb.de/feeds/index.rss2
[10:01] <nmorse> back
[10:03] <wizzard> yep, that feed contain the images
[10:03] <wizzard> but I want just the image in the header
[10:03] <\sh> wizzard, yeah..the guy there it's my picture of the feed..not in the article
[10:04] <wizzard> I should check the source
[10:04] <wizzard> how come that my image does not work? feed seems to be valid
 is missing, url is missin in the image section
[10:07] <\sh> a link
[10:07] <\sh> no sorry
[10:07] <\sh> only height
[10:08] <wizzard> ok, I will fix it up, thank you very much for the help
[10:09] <\sh> wizzard, but after all you should ask the upstream of your webapp
[10:10] <wizzard> I shoud ask what?
[10:10] <\sh> wizzard, to fix the rss2 implementation :)
[10:11] <\sh> wizzard, use the rss2 implementation class of serendipity
[10:11] <wizzard> I know that English version of the feed is not valid, but original Slovak version works fine
[10:11] <\sh> ahhh
[10:11] <\sh> u should really switch your blog :)
[10:11] <wizzard> maybe I misunderstood 
[10:11] <wizzard> :D
[10:12] <\sh> try s9y (serendipity) http://www.s9y.org/
[10:12] <wizzard> whats that?
[10:12] <\sh> a blog system :) the best in da world :)
[10:13] <wizzard> ok, but at least my images in the feed work fine now :p
[10:13] <skynet> hi
[10:15] <\sh> wizzard, and it supports multilingual entries and feeds :)
[10:15] <wizzard> hm, ok, good to know
[10:15] <\sh> wizzard, join #s9y :)
[10:15] <wizzard> thx much :D
[10:16] <\sh> wizzard, or u wanna see a demo shared installation of a blogger.com implemenation: www.serendipia.net (based on serendipity)
[10:18] <sabin> I'm getting an error when trying to install a .deb file
[10:18] <sabin> dpkg: error processing point2play-1.3.3-1.i386.deb (--install):
[10:18] <sabin>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[10:18] <sabin> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:18] <sabin>  point2play-1.3.3-1.i386.deb
[10:19] <nmorse> Okay, that's odd
[10:19] <nmorse> Did you convert it with alien?
[10:19] <sabin> no I downloaded it as a .deb
[10:19] <nmorse> Hmm
[10:19] <nmorse> The error sounds like you got the name wrong, but that's probably not the case
[10:22] <sabin> I did a copy paste of the name to make sure I didn't mistype it
[10:22] <_skaag> Hello!! :-)
[10:23] <_skaag> I'm in Kubuntu but the resolution is horribly low (640x480)
[10:23] <_skaag> However I can't seem to be able to go any higher
[10:23] <_skaag> I checked /etc/X11/xorg.conf and it contains many more resolution settings but they are not used
[10:23] <_skaag> is there something special I should do?
[10:24] <sabin> control center- periphrials- display
[10:24] <sabin> thats what I did
[10:24] <_skaag> it only shows 640x480
[10:25] <_skaag> nothing else on the list of resolutions
[10:25] <_skaag> the res is so low it's driving me crazy :-)
[10:25] <_skaag> But all else is absolutely beautiful
[10:25] <sabin> icons must be HUGE
[10:25] <_skaag> yes they are
[10:26] <sabin> I wish I could help
[10:26] <_skaag> but it somehow detected the situation and fonts are sized so that it would be comfortable and yet display a lot of text
[10:26] <_skaag> it's not THAT bad
[10:26] <sabin> thats cool
[10:27] <_skaag> this is my graphics device: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device
[10:27] <_skaag> That's probably why it sucks
[10:27] <_skaag> :-)
[10:28] <_skaag> I should find my nVidia card, some friend took it and never returned it
[10:28] <wizzard> you should edit your xorg.conf manually
[10:28] <wizzard> "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[10:28] <_skaag> I tried
[10:28] <_skaag> what should I change?
[10:29] <wizzard> Section "Monitor"
[10:29] <wizzard> 	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
[10:29] <wizzard> 	Option		"DPMS"
[10:29] <wizzard> 	HorizSync	30-85
[10:29] <wizzard> 	VertRefresh	50-100
[10:29] <wizzard> EndSection
[10:29] <wizzard> the parametres depends of your monitor
[10:29] <wizzard> this is my config, my monitor does 1280x1024/75
[10:30] <_skaag> this is an extremely good monitor, it can go to 100hz at 800x600 and 85hz at 1024x768
[10:30] <_skaag> yah this one can do that too
[10:30] <_skaag> Nokia
[10:30] <wizzard> hm, it is not so good in my opinion
[10:30] <wizzard> did you edit these lines?
[10:30] <wizzard> did you restart your X server?
[10:31] <_skaag> i'm editing them right now
[10:31] <wizzard> there are also some resolution listed in that file
[10:31] <wizzard> ok
[10:31] <wizzard> then just restart your X, but remember to save your current config
[10:31] <_skaag> saved it
[10:31] <_skaag> ok so just logoff/logon?
[10:32] <wizzard> you should restart it, I use ctrl+alt+bksp
[10:32] <_skaag> ok trying... brb.
[10:32] <brk3> hey, just wondering, do i have to install all of kde-devel(22MB) to compile kde apps?
[10:33] <_skaag> oh god :-)
[10:33] <_skaag> amazing :-)
[10:33] <_skaag> Thanks wizzard !!!
[10:33] <wizzard> np :p
[10:33] <wizzard> I am new to Kubuntu also
[10:33] <_skaag> LOL It is at the highest possible resolution right now
[10:33] <_skaag> 75hz
[10:33] <wizzard> maybe your monitor can do even more
[10:33] <wizzard> it is 17" or 19"?
[10:33] <_skaag> 17"
[10:34] <_skaag> kubuntu properly sets the fonts larger so that it will be visible and comfortable, I love this!!!
[10:34] <wizzard> I have an old EIZO 17" and it can do 1024x768 at 100Hz
[10:34] <_skaag> i'm sure this one can too i'm just not pushing it...
[10:34] <wizzard> it also depends of your configuration
[10:35] <_skaag> right now i'm at 1600x1200 @ 75hz
[10:35] <nmorse> My monitor's vert refresh is 50-160
[10:35] <wizzard> wow
[10:35] <nmorse> I don't have one that'll do bigger than 1280x1024 though
[10:35] <_skaag> ok i've taken it down to 1280 x 1024 - it's more comfortable for the eyes
[10:36] <nmorse> Don't ever get a widescreen monitor
[10:36] <wizzard> I user 1600x1200 a few years ago
[10:36] <wizzard> used
[10:36] <_skaag> nmorse: for television or for PC?
[10:36] <nmorse> Dadgum laptop makes top and bottom screen real estate a scarce resource
[10:36] <wizzard> but the picture is not so sharp like it used to be before
[10:36] <nmorse> PC
[10:37] <_skaag> wizzard: yes same on this monitor... it's quite old to be honest!
[10:37] <brk3> hey, just wondering, do i have to install all of kde-devel(22MB) to compile kde apps?
[10:37] <nmorse> Yeah, probably
[10:37] <wizzard> my monitor has more than 10 years :d
[10:37] <_skaag> hehe
[10:37] <nmorse> Using kdevelop3, brk3?
[10:37] <_skaag> this one is only 7 years old
[10:38] <_skaag> bought it middle of 1998
[10:38] <wizzard> my old one is even analogue
[10:38] <brk3> nmorse: i want to but i think i need all those dev files to compile qt apps. my connection is way too slow to download 22megs was just hopin there might be a way out
[10:39] <nmorse> Probably not
[10:39] <brk3> kubuntu definitly needs this: http://www.bootsplash.org
[10:39] <nmorse> Hmm, if I were you I'd go with Debian Sarge and just download the CD sets
[10:40] <nmorse> Or buy them for a few bucks from somewhere like linuxcds.org or something
[10:40] <opi> downloading CD set?
[10:40] <opi> it's such a waste
[10:40] <nmorse> Not if you don't have broadband
[10:40] <opi> oh
[10:40] <opi> maybe then it isn't
[10:40] <nmorse> It really isn't then
[10:41] <nmorse> I enjoy my broadband a lot more since I used dial-up for a while again
[10:41] <opi> I would not be able to run Linux without brandboard
[10:41] <nmorse> Though I really would like to be able to get FTTP
[10:42] <_skaag> how do i configure the font sizing ratio?
[10:42] <opi> ratio?
[10:42] <_skaag> I mean, at this resolution fonts look real big
[10:42] <opi> you mean DPI?
[10:42] <_skaag> I guess
[10:42] <_skaag> yes
[10:42] <opi> hmm
[10:42] <opi> intresting question :)
[10:43] <wizzard> I had the same problem, but then found some command to fix that
[10:43] <_skaag> maybe I shouldn't touch it
[10:43] <wizzard> just do not remember
[10:47] <_skaag> I changed a theme and I think it's better now
[10:47] <_skaag> (Plastik)
[10:47] <_skaag> brb
[10:49] <_skaag> you know what's funny...
[10:49] <_skaag> Many many years ago I imagined that one day resolutions would be so high that pixels and pixel art would no longer be relevant
[10:50] <_skaag> and now, with sub-pixel rendering, and resolutions as high as 1600 x 1200 on home desktops, we are already there
[10:50] <_skaag> and fonts are really smooth, so smooth you can't really see any pixels anywhere
[10:55] <wizzard> yop :p
[11:04] <MoreFX> hi
[11:04] <MoreFX> can anyone help me with the usb hotplug system?
[11:05] <MoreFX> I have enabled the system in debug mode to see, why my usb dvbt-box fails to load the firmware
[11:06] <MoreFX> syslog tells me that the hotplugsystem tryes to find dvb-dibusb-5.0.0.11.fw
[11:06] <MoreFX> which is located in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/
[11:07] <MoreFX> the file is ok (double checked)
[11:07] <MoreFX> what else to look for ...?
[11:11] <wizzard> ups, bad chatroom
[11:38] <_skaag> do I really have to get those various gnome packages if I want firefox in kubuntu?
[11:39] <Tm_T> yup
[11:51] <_pax> How to make firefox the default browser in Kbuntu?
[11:53] <_skaag> good question
[11:55] <uniq> _pax: control center -> kde components - component chooser (or something similar, directly translated from norwegian)
[11:55] <_pax> uniq: good man! :)
[11:57] <_pax> btw, KFTPgrabber roxor. I couldn't get kbear to run properly.
[11:58] <ompaul> _pax, if you do this as your command line  'firefox %u' you will get better results :-)
[11:59] <ompaul> _pax, reason the %u passes on the url that is clicked on to the application
[11:59] <_pax> ompaul: thanks that's what got :)
[11:59] <_pax> great tip.
[12:00] <_pax> oh, and plastikfox theme in firefox makes it look like it's part of KDE.