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| jsgotangco | hello | 04:46 |
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| judax | Hi | 04:47 |
| squinn | hey judax, jsgotangco | 05:23 |
| squinn | jsgotangco: question for you | 05:23 |
| squinn | and i only ask you because i've heard your name/nick before LOL | 05:23 |
| judax | Hi squinn | 05:25 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | squinn, fire away | 05:27 |
| jsgotangco | holy shit i forgot my sudo password | 05:27 |
| squinn | um, i think i may have determined it | 05:29 |
| squinn | but i dunno. | 05:29 |
| jsgotangco | ? | 05:29 |
| squinn | jsgotangco, if it's possible, can you see why i'm not getting mail from ubuntu-doc | 05:29 |
| squinn | i mean, i can send out now | 05:29 |
| jsgotangco | whats your email | 05:29 |
| squinn | and i got some of my own messages | 05:29 |
| squinn | seandq@gmail.com | 05:29 |
| squinn | but i am not getting any in | 05:30 |
| jsgotangco | im so scrwed i forgot my own password | 05:30 |
| squinn | i think it COULD be because i was set to get only english docteam messages | 05:30 |
| squinn | can't you check? | 05:30 |
| squinn | h/o i know how to check | 05:30 |
| jsgotangco | no i mean my password in another box | 05:31 |
| squinn | http://ubuntuguide.org/#changerootpasswordforgotten, jsgotangco | 05:31 |
| jsgotangco | let me check the archives | 05:31 |
| squinn | oh | 05:31 |
| squinn | ok | 05:31 |
| squinn | do you use GRUB on that box? | 05:31 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 05:32 |
| jsgotangco | my problem is i forgot my sudo password so i cant even passwd root | 05:32 |
| squinn | okay here's the fix | 05:33 |
| squinn | it's an ubuntu box? | 05:33 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 05:33 |
| squinn | and you use grub | 05:33 |
| squinn | first thing i suggest | 05:33 |
| squinn | is that you boot into that kernel's recovery mode | 05:33 |
| squinn | it gives you root access and all you then type is "passwd root" | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | oh it gaveme root access | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | cant i just change password to my username here? | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | squinn, there's nothing wrong with your list account its all default | 05:44 |
| rob^ | is there an index of all the pages in the wiki? | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | there used to be one | 05:48 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 05:48 |
| jsgotangco | not so sure about the moin one | 05:48 |
| rob^ | I didnt think so, I couldnt find it anyway | 05:48 |
| rob^ | the subversion server certificate isn't issued by a cert authotity.. is this normal? | 05:53 |
| jsgotangco | it means that the server certificate is not listed in a 3rd party. that is pretty normal | 05:54 |
| jsgotangco | (my mailserver for one) | 05:54 |
| rob^ | yeah, I was just making sure nothing funny was going on | 05:54 |
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| rob^ | just a quick question about the user guide, the sections marked "NO STATUS" mean that no one has started work on the section, right? | 07:44 |
| jsgotangco | on the wiki? | 07:46 |
| jsgotangco | the wiki is not that updated | 07:46 |
| jsgotangco | im supposed to fix the status for docs :) | 07:46 |
| rob^ | http://people.ubuntu.com/~mako/docteam/status/ug-report.html | 07:46 |
| jsgotangco | no please don't refer to that doc | 07:46 |
| jsgotangco | anything inside mako's shell is most likely old | 07:47 |
| rob^ | ah | 07:47 |
| rob^ | where is the up-to-date list, if any? | 07:47 |
| jsgotangco | we have a docteam project page but its not updated | 07:48 |
| jsgotangco | give me until today to fix that | 07:48 |
| rob^ | np | 07:48 |
| rob^ | thanks | 07:48 |
| froud | morn jsgotangco | 07:48 |
| jsgotangco | froud, hi mate | 07:49 |
| jsgotangco | froud, what a mouthful | 07:49 |
| froud | mouthful? | 07:49 |
| jsgotangco | the email :) | 07:49 |
| rob^ | jsgotangco, where is that page located? | 07:49 |
| froud | oh yeah, me bad guy, taking flack :-) | 07:49 |
| froud | jsgotangco: if you want to setup the status previews we must enable the scripts | 07:50 |
| jsgotangco | rob^, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | 07:50 |
| jsgotangco | scripts? | 07:50 |
| rob^ | ah ok.. thats the one I was using | 07:50 |
| jsgotangco | rob^, the status are terribly old | 07:51 |
| rob^ | yeah | 07:51 |
| froud | jsgotangco: yes the scripts that create those pages on DocteamPages | 07:51 |
| froud | oops | 07:51 |
| froud | DocteamProjects | 07:51 |
| froud | for script to generate those pages see libs/writeOwnerStatus.xsl | 07:54 |
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| jsgotangco | hi | 09:14 |
| mdke | morning | 09:14 |
| mdke | i am going back to bed | 09:14 |
| mdke | just woke up because some kind of thunderbolt struck outside | 09:14 |
| jsgotangco | heh its raining here but no thunderbolts | 09:15 |
| mdke | my internet connection has been down all night :/ | 09:15 |
| mdke | how are you jsgotangco ? | 09:16 |
| jsgotangco | im trying to chew sean's email | 09:16 |
| mdke | i am pleased he wrote | 09:17 |
| mdke | dialogue is important | 09:17 |
| jsgotangco | i will still go to the TB route but tell them that we will ship what we decide | 09:17 |
| mdke | the point is, the doc team needs to discuss these matters as a team | 09:19 |
| mdke | THEN we need to get good communication and rapport going with -devel | 09:19 |
| jsgotangco | aye | 09:19 |
| mdke | mine and henrik's emails are not really about what to ship | 09:19 |
| jsgotangco | yep | 09:20 |
| robitaille | the double titles on most wiki pages since the migration are annoying me. Should we start removing the 2nd titles? | 09:29 |
| mdke | like what? | 09:30 |
| mdke | you mean the /talk pages? | 09:30 |
| robitaille | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth | 09:30 |
| robitaille | where you see "Mark Shuttleworth" twice at the top | 09:31 |
| mdke | oh i see | 09:31 |
| mdke | that doesn't bother me! | 09:31 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, but obviously if you want to remove them you can | 09:31 |
| mdke | there are about 1500 pages to do ;) | 09:31 |
| robitaille | yeah I know. I have removed a couple while doing other edits | 09:32 |
| mdke | me too | 09:32 |
| mdke | btw I made a CategoryUbuntuTeams just now | 09:32 |
| robitaille | question about that: are they just for official teams? I just saw the ArtTeam a few minutes ago; should they get that category added at the end? | 09:33 |
| mdke | tbh I don't know | 09:34 |
| mdke | i think it should be in that category | 09:34 |
| mdke | and also linked on the UbuntuTeams page | 09:34 |
| robitaille | I don't think they are an official teams; not even sure if it is an active team | 09:34 |
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| mdke | not sure | 09:35 |
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| robitaille | that's what I was leaning toward.....a team is a team.. Do you know what is the story about graphics that didn't make the transition? That ArtTeam page link to a png that obviously isn't there right now. | 09:36 |
| mdke | yes it is being worked on | 09:36 |
| mdke | they got lost | 09:36 |
| mdke | we may need to relink them when they are copied back | 09:36 |
| robitaille | it's nice to have a new wiki...but quite a few things are broken. (just saw the latest e-mail from jsgotangco about missing meeting summaries) | 09:38 |
| jsgotangco | hmm one wiki page i made literally disappeared :) | 09:38 |
| jsgotangco | GYAAHHH | 09:38 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, which? | 09:38 |
| jsgotangco | pdatesting | 09:38 |
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| jsgotangco | i did that spec :) | 09:39 |
| jsgotangco | oh wait | 09:39 |
| jsgotangco | i was at the talk page | 09:39 |
| jsgotangco | *whew* | 09:39 |
| mdke | pages are backed up anyway | 09:39 |
| mdke | robitaille, yeah :( | 09:40 |
| mdke | what email about missing meeting summaries? | 09:40 |
| mdke | oh | 09:40 |
| robitaille | sent to the ubuntu-doc list 8 minutes ago | 09:40 |
| mdke | that is not due to the wiki transition | 09:40 |
| jsgotangco | forget it, im totally messed up this morning | 09:41 |
| mdke | that is due to jsgotangco randomly posting stuff that wasn't there ;) | 09:41 |
| mdke | *grins* | 09:41 |
| mdke | let him get his fix of green tea | 09:41 |
| jsgotangco | i'm not sending another email | 09:41 |
| jsgotangco | its probably that freaking ice crream during lunch | 09:41 |
| mdke | mmm | 09:42 |
| mdke | icecream | 09:42 |
| mdke | so maybe I won't go back to bed | 09:42 |
| mdke | haven't had much sleep tho... | 09:46 |
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| jsgotangco | mdke, you're not italian yet you are part of the italian team? | 10:46 |
| jsgotangco | (not based in italy as well) | 10:46 |
| mdke | that's it | 10:47 |
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| mdke | who uses bluefish? | 10:54 |
| jsgotangco | i do | 10:54 |
| mdke | i installed it yesterday, its amazing | 10:54 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 10:54 |
| jsgotangco | im surprised you just installed it | 10:54 |
| mdke | i'm gonna use it for our stuff | 10:54 |
| jsgotangco | its been available for a while | 10:54 |
| mdke | it supports docbook too | 10:55 |
| mdke | morning mpt | 10:55 |
| jsgotangco | yes it does | 10:55 |
| jsgotangco | so does screem and conglomerate | 10:55 |
| mpt | hi mdke, jsgotangco, everybody | 10:55 |
| jsgotangco | mpt, hi | 10:55 |
| froud-work | sounds suspiciously like IE will be a FF clone :-) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XAML/message/429 | 11:08 |
| froud-work | However, Microsoft | 11:09 |
| froud-work | recognizes that much more work remains to be done and will continue to make improvements in the IE version that ships with Longhorn as well as in IE 8.0. | 11:09 |
| froud-work | Hmmm | 11:10 |
| jsgotangco | mmm? | 11:10 |
| froud-work | hopefully they wont mess it up along the way | 11:10 |
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| jsgotangco | enrico, hi :) | 12:35 |
| enrico | hi | 12:41 |
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| jsgotangco | im going home | 01:08 |
| jsgotangco | later people | 01:08 |
| mdke | night | 01:09 |
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| gtaylor | does anyone remember when Warty was first released? | 04:49 |
| gtaylor | like around what date? | 04:49 |
| gtaylor | about a year ago? | 04:49 |
| mdke | october 2004 | 04:49 |
| mdke | ubuntu releases are every 6 months | 04:50 |
| mdke | (see about-ubuntu ;) | 04:50 |
| gtaylor | ok, thanks | 04:50 |
| gtaylor | yeah I saw that | 04:50 |
| froud-work | wary release numbers give clues 4.10 | 04:50 |
| gtaylor | doh, forgot about that | 04:50 |
| froud-work | 5.10 | 04:50 |
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| mdke | sorry for the connect/disconnect spamming | 05:42 |
| mdke | hopefully done now | 05:42 |
| philipacamaniac | mdke, do you have a list of wikipages with broken image links? | 05:51 |
| philipacamaniac | how can I make WordsLikeThis not appear as InterWiki links? (e.g., KolourPaint or KRegExpEditor) | 06:11 |
| Burgundavia | you don't | 06:15 |
| Burgundavia | that is called camelcase | 06:15 |
| Burgundavia | and that is how the wiki makes links | 06:15 |
| Burgundavia | kind of dumb, actually | 06:15 |
| philipacamaniac | so, okay... | 06:16 |
| philipacamaniac | hmm | 06:16 |
| philipacamaniac | I guess renaming them to Kolourpaint and Kregexpeditor is the best idea? or maybe post them as `inline code` | 06:17 |
| philipacamaniac | I'm going to search for this "bug" at MoinMoin, because almost every KDE application appears to use camelcase, which makes it muy dificil for creating and working on KDE wikipages. | 06:19 |
| Burgundavia | the bug is not going to go away until the wiki switches from CamelCase | 06:37 |
| Burgundavia | which would be nice, but most wikis do it | 06:37 |
| jjesse | does that mean we have to type it wrong? | 06:38 |
| philipacamaniac | why can't a character be implemented that escapes camelcase? | 06:38 |
| Burgundavia | we should probably switch to non-CamelCase along with Wikipedia | 06:38 |
| Burgundavia | as that is more intuitive, in my view | 06:38 |
| Burgundavia | file a bug in the ubuntu bugzilla about dropping camelcase | 06:39 |
| philipacamaniac | I agree about the intuitive comment, and I will file an internal bug, but I still think an camelcase escape character/command could exist. | 06:40 |
| Burgundavia | if we switch to non-camelcase, then we don't have the issue | 06:44 |
| Burgundavia | as links become [[link] ] | 06:44 |
| philipacamaniac | good point | 06:44 |
| mdke | philipacamaniac, for the broken images, we will organise a structured action and post it to the list | 07:08 |
| philipacamaniac | excellent | 07:08 |
| mdke | it will be awesome if you can help | 07:08 |
| philipacamaniac | I'm a very web-oriented guy, so the wiki seems like the best way for me to help right now. I'm also posting some markup suggestions to the list. | 07:09 |
| mdke | there is a way of stopping WordsLikeThis not linking I think | 07:09 |
| mdke | philipacamaniac, that's cool thanks | 07:10 |
| philipacamaniac | what's the method? | 07:10 |
| mdke | lemme test | 07:10 |
| mdke | hmm | 07:11 |
| mdke | its not pretty philipacamaniac | 07:11 |
| mdke | still wanna hear it? | 07:11 |
| philipacamaniac | as long as it works | 07:11 |
| mdke | Words''''''Like''''''This | 07:11 |
| philipacamaniac | wtf? | 07:12 |
| philipacamaniac | what is that character?? | 07:12 |
| mdke | its an apostrophe | 07:12 |
| mdke | on my uk keyboard it is under the @ sign | 07:12 |
| mdke | you use '' for italics, ''' for bold etc | 07:12 |
| philipacamaniac | okay, lemme try | 07:12 |
| mdke | example is on MatthewEast | 07:12 |
| mdke | at the end of the first line | 07:12 |
| philipacamaniac | okay so 6 single quotes | 07:13 |
| philipacamaniac | it didn't look like that when you posted in here :) | 07:13 |
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| mdke | oh | 07:14 |
| mdke | what did it look like? | 07:14 |
| philipacamaniac | that's perfect, and exactly what I was looking for.... it looked like <- (sort of) | 07:14 |
| mdke | weird | 07:14 |
| philipacamaniac | but I'm on my laptop, which is *gasp* windows | 07:15 |
| mdke | oh that's why | 07:15 |
| philipacamaniac | yeah | 07:15 |
| mdke | it doesn't read utf8 properly | 07:15 |
| mdke | btw those ideas you sent to the list are nice | 07:15 |
| philipacamaniac | I meant to send a couple more, they are on their way... I just forgot to add them | 07:15 |
| mdke | a link to return to the original page is important i think | 07:17 |
| philipacamaniac | the command is there, just not the link | 07:17 |
| mdke | after editing it takes you to MatthewEast#preview, which is annoying, so it would be cool to have a button to go back to MatthewEast | 07:18 |
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| philipacamaniac | yep. what about the /talk idea? (a little more radical, I know) | 07:18 |
| mdke | actually having said that, the "clear this message" does that | 07:19 |
| mdke | yeah the talk idea is also good | 07:19 |
| mdke | i don't think the interface is too busy | 07:19 |
| philipacamaniac | "clear this message" doesn't appear on diff and show changes | 07:19 |
| mdke | nono | 07:19 |
| philipacamaniac | I mean diff and info | 07:19 |
| mdke | just on #preview | 07:19 |
| philipacamaniac | yeah | 07:19 |
| mdke | i gotta run to the shop | 07:19 |
| mdke | back later | 07:19 |
| philipacamaniac | k | 07:20 |
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| abelli | vale comites. | 08:39 |
| mdke | hi abelli | 08:39 |
| abelli | ciao mdke | 08:40 |
| abelli | mdke: do you guys have something ready (developerdocs)? | 08:40 |
| mdke | abelli, we are not working on developer docs right now afaik | 08:41 |
| mdke | our projects are http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | 08:42 |
| mdke | actually we should put that in the topic | 08:42 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-doc:mdke] : Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. | ||
| philipacamaniac | you need a lot of help with the kubuntu docs, eh? | 08:45 |
| mdke | hmm | 08:46 |
| mdke | both really | 08:46 |
| mdke | actually a few people have joined recently with interest in kde | 08:46 |
| philipacamaniac | that's good... if I join the docteam, I'll prefer KDE documentation | 08:47 |
| mdke | ;) | 08:47 |
| froud-writing | welcome philipacamaniac kde fellow | 08:48 |
| philipacamaniac | hi | 08:48 |
| abelli | froud-writing: is that a good thing or not? | 08:50 |
| froud-writing | goood | 08:50 |
| abelli | enrico: ding | 08:50 |
| froud-writing | kde good | 08:50 |
| jjesse | kde really really good :) | 08:50 |
| philipacamaniac | :) | 08:50 |
| froud-writing | yumm | 08:51 |
| froud-writing | candy | 08:51 |
| abelli | im so sorry for you. | 08:51 |
| mdke | i tried enlightenment this evening | 08:52 |
| froud-writing | I know abelli I loveyou 2 | 08:52 |
| mdke | it is very nice looking | 08:52 |
| abelli | mdke: youre coming from gentoo .. right? | 08:52 |
| jjesse | why the switch from gentoo mdke? i never heard | 08:53 |
| froud-writing | philipacamaniac: you want a bite of the kde user manual | 08:53 |
| abelli | jjesse: that was a thought .. if he uses e* .. | 08:53 |
| froud-writing | gentoo good for servers | 08:53 |
| mdke | i use gentoo on my desktop abelli/jjesse | 08:53 |
| abelli | froud-writing: and froud good for writing .. not thinking. | 08:54 |
| philipacamaniac | froud-writing: I have no experience with DocBook yet, I'm lurking and getting a feel for it | 08:54 |
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| froud-writing | philipacamaniac: dont be shy I will help you | 08:54 |
| froud-writing | philipacamaniac: you just write and leave the docbook to me | 08:54 |
| froud-writing | philipacamaniac: in time you will learn it too, its not hard | 08:55 |
| froud-writing | philipacamaniac: just looks that way | 08:55 |
| jjesse | if i can learn it anyone can :) | 08:55 |
| abelli | in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects .. the next release is still hoary. | 08:56 |
| froud-writing | whose up for hacking the balzes out of the kubuntu user guide, all in favor say aye! | 08:56 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, :) | 08:56 |
| mdke | abelli, will change, thanks | 08:56 |
| jjesse | aye :) | 08:56 |
| abelli | mdke: just call me master .. we're friends. | 08:56 |
| philipacamaniac | aye guess ;) | 08:56 |
| froud-writing | gtaylor: what about you dude | 08:57 |
| === froud-writing look around for more kde hipsters | ||
| froud-writing | jjesse: how much work you want? | 08:58 |
| abelli | sorry but afaics there are more things planned for kde than for gnome .. is kde more difficult and less intuitive than gnome? | 08:58 |
| froud-writing | philipacamaniac: and you? how much work? | 08:58 |
| === Burgundavia will take the troll and say yes | ||
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| jjesse | is there anything started in the kuserguide? | 08:59 |
| gtaylor | froud-writing: What's up? | 08:59 |
| froud-writing | I will have a #1 outline this week | 08:59 |
| philipacamaniac | we're talking https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kde/kuserguide/ ? | 08:59 |
| froud-writing | gtaylor: you up to hacking the blazes out of the kubuntu user guide? | 08:59 |
| froud-writing | new outline | 08:59 |
| abelli | Burgundavia: no one is following you .. :( | 08:59 |
| gtaylor | oh yeah, I was waiting on an outline so I could start :) | 09:00 |
| froud-writing | each take a part and blow it apart in a few weeks | 09:00 |
| jjesse | a lot of userguide for ubuntu can be used in kubuntu userguide correct? | 09:00 |
| philipacamaniac | this will be my first time, so I'll have to start small, please | 09:00 |
| froud-writing | Ok so I have an outline in the pipes | 09:00 |
| gtaylor | sounds good | 09:00 |
| froud-writing | philipacamaniac: dont worry you take what you can bite | 09:00 |
| philipacamaniac | excellent | 09:00 |
| froud-writing | OK here is my plan | 09:01 |
| mdke | *sigh* | 09:01 |
| froud-writing | I have a drop of the kde users manual | 09:01 |
| froud-writing | I am building it from upstream | 09:01 |
| froud-writing | I will drop it in the vendor/ | 09:01 |
| froud-writing | and copy to the kde/kuserguide/ | 09:01 |
| froud-writing | merge it into one piece so that everyone can take a chunk | 09:02 |
| froud-writing | any questions | 09:02 |
| froud-writing | OK some of our changes should flow upstream to kde | 09:02 |
| gtaylor | just let me know when the outline is up :) | 09:02 |
| mdke | i've just sent a mail to the list following up on the decision at the meeting for individuals to be responsible for documents | 09:02 |
| froud-writing | so I will merge specific stuff from the trunk/ into the vendor/ | 09:03 |
| froud-writing | that way we can help upstream | 09:03 |
| philipacamaniac | mdke: ? | 09:03 |
| froud-writing | mdke: Hmm did not know | 09:03 |
| mdke | froud-writing, how could you, I just sent it now | 09:03 |
| froud-writing | OK, so jjesse, gtaylor, philipacamaniac the kubuntu user guide is a big peice | 09:04 |
| froud-writing | give me about two days and monitor th elist | 09:04 |
| mdke | sounds like froud-writing will take charge of the kde user guide ;) | 09:04 |
| gtaylor | ok | 09:04 |
| jjesse | just let me know and i will attack it | 09:04 |
| froud-writing | I will try to add comments so my outline is not too obscure | 09:05 |
| mdke | froud-writing, it would also be nice if you share what you are doing/planning with the rest of the team via the list | 09:05 |
| froud-writing | I know it is hard to get an outline if you did not write it yourself | 09:05 |
| froud-writing | mdke: I am just aiming at one of the targets | 09:05 |
| froud-writing | and gathering team players | 09:05 |
| mdke | i know | 09:06 |
| mdke | my point remains | 09:06 |
| abelli | is there any wysiwyg app for docbook? | 09:06 |
| Burgundavia | not really | 09:06 |
| froud-writing | mdke: no debate, no brakes | 09:06 |
| Burgundavia | OO.o can do it sort of | 09:06 |
| mdke | froud-writing, its not a question of debate, its a question of you announcing formally that you will take charge of that document, and share how you intend to do it with the list | 09:06 |
| mdke | both those points were agreed on at the meeting | 09:07 |
| mdke | also, a clarification of your position in the team would be nice | 09:07 |
| froud-writing | Another point is anyone here a boff with packaging | 09:07 |
| froud-writing | abelli is looking for a dumies guide on how to create debs | 09:08 |
| philipacamaniac | there's a good wiki page for that, lemme find it | 09:08 |
| gtaylor | I've dabbled in it a bit and could help if someone wanted to head that up | 09:08 |
| gtaylor | my user page has a link to that :) | 09:08 |
| froud-writing | abelli, you have +1 more now | 09:08 |
| mdke | there is some stuff here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | 09:08 |
| mdke | the wiki has a good search engine | 09:10 |
| abelli | mdke: thanks .. for saying something very useful. | 09:10 |
| froud-writing | abelli: how do you wnat it | 09:10 |
| froud-writing | fakeroot is good | 09:10 |
| abelli | i want it easy .. | 09:11 |
| froud-writing | Hmm fakeroot is safe | 09:11 |
| abelli | like a sunday morning .. | 09:11 |
| froud-writing | bad day | 09:11 |
| squinn | back | 09:11 |
| mdke | abelli, are you implying I don't normally say useful things? :p | 09:11 |
| froud-writing | alright abelli you lead it and we will support | 09:11 |
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| froud-writing | hey squinn | 09:12 |
| froud-writing | you're a kde dude | 09:12 |
| froud-writing | riht? | 09:12 |
| abelli | mdke: im implying that that wasnt absolutely useful. | 09:12 |
| mdke | ah | 09:12 |
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| mdke | sorry for trying to help abelli | 09:13 |
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| abelli | mdke: thanks a lot. | 09:13 |
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| squinn | no actually froud-writing | 09:15 |
| squinn | im gnome | 09:15 |
| squinn | i just noticed that about kubuntu | 09:15 |
| squinn | hence why i made the patch | 09:15 |
| froud-writing | squinn: ok dude | 09:15 |
| froud-writing | no problem | 09:15 |
| squinn | I'm going to unsubscribe to the list..try resubscribing. | 09:15 |
| froud-writing | thanks | 09:16 |
| squinn | It's really crappy to me. | 09:16 |
| froud-writing | :-) | 09:16 |
| abelli | mdke: can you help me in that? | 09:16 |
| squinn | you're welcome, froud-writing | 09:16 |
| mdke | abelli, with what? | 09:16 |
| abelli | Ubuntu Packaging Survival Guide. | 09:16 |
| mdke | I don't think so | 09:17 |
| mdke | i know nothing about it, and don't have much time atm | 09:17 |
| squinn | *growls* | 09:17 |
| abelli | ohhhg grazie mille. | 09:17 |
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| squinn | I unsubscribe because I didn't get mdke's email. | 09:18 |
| squinn | I look in my inbox, there's my unsubscription notice..right after mdke's email. | 09:18 |
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| mdke | squinn, the ubuntu mailing lists are a little slow sometimes, you have to be patient ;) | 09:25 |
| squinn | yep yep lol | 09:25 |
| Burgundavia | the lists were also down during the weekend, and may still be catching up on some server-side stuff | 09:26 |
| squinn | Burgundavia, I remember. | 09:27 |
| mdke | yes | 09:27 |
| squinn | I thought that Ubuntu was just running slow. | 09:27 |
| squinn | Then I found out it was the great 2005 blackout haha | 09:27 |
| gtaylor | heh, that "What does a Linux Geek Look Like" thread is amusing | 09:29 |
| karlheg | http://web.pdx.edu/~hegbloom/Aptitude/tutorial-intro-aptitude.html | 09:35 |
| squinn | mdke, you get my msg on list? | 09:36 |
| squinn | because i didn't hah | 09:36 |
| gtaylor | If you guys have a moment, go to http://www.reviewlinux.com/articles/8/4 and give me a 5 :) (pretty please) | 09:42 |
| gtaylor | editor kinda chopped the review up a bit but it came out ok I guess | 09:42 |
| froud-writing | gtaylor: 10X cool dude | 09:43 |
| froud-writing | gtaylor: kde-docs is At revision 427473. | 09:44 |
| froud-writing | gtaylor: you think if I drop that into svn /vendor/kde/ | 09:44 |
| froud-writing | we can track and merge revisions from upstream | 09:44 |
| froud-writing | I have upstream checkout | 09:44 |
| froud-writing | I can diff the upstream folder with /vendor/kde and apply the patches | 09:45 |
| froud-writing | then we can merge the stuff we want into trunk/kde | 09:45 |
| gtaylor | might be a good idea | 09:45 |
| froud-writing | gtaylor: you reckon its managable | 09:45 |
| gtaylor | would make it easier to grab from | 09:45 |
| gtaylor | froud-writing: Yeah, you might want to consider writing something to automatically checkout/commit the kde docs periodically though | 09:46 |
| gtaylor | if you have a box that's permanently connected to the net | 09:46 |
| froud-writing | yep | 09:46 |
| froud-writing | but the merge between vendor and trunk will have to be selective | 09:47 |
| froud-writing | otherwise we endup with massive conflicts | 09:47 |
| froud-writing | cause that revision is not a stable release | 09:47 |
| gtaylor | that would definitely be something that needs to be outlined in detail before people get to writing | 09:47 |
| froud-writing | sure | 09:47 |
| froud-writing | question is how many upstream changes will we merge to trunk | 09:48 |
| jjesse | gtaylor that was an interesting article, no mention of kde that i saw :( | 09:48 |
| gtaylor | good question :) | 09:48 |
| gtaylor | jjesse: That's the topic for a Kubuntu review (which I will write up) | 09:48 |
| judax | gtaylor: 5 | 09:49 |
| gtaylor | danke | 09:50 |
| abelli | buona notte a tutti. | 09:50 |
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| gtaylor | I'm not sure what that meant :) | 09:51 |
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| froud-writing | gtaylor: open khelpcenter for a sec | 10:04 |
| gtaylor | ok | 10:05 |
| froud-writing | you see the blue books | 10:05 |
| gtaylor | yup | 10:05 |
| froud-writing | ok these are all in seperate folders | 10:05 |
| froud-writing | speaking to Riddle over at kubuntu-devel | 10:05 |
| gtaylor | ok | 10:05 |
| froud-writing | he sees no reason to branch kde docs. I agree | 10:06 |
| gtaylor | so he wants us to add the Ubuntu specific stuff to the KDE docs? | 10:06 |
| froud-writing | but it can be usefull if we can use xInclude to get text nodes | 10:06 |
| philipacamaniac | and searching doesn't work (argh!) | 10:06 |
| froud-writing | no | 10:06 |
| froud-writing | he says make a kubuntu specific docs | 10:07 |
| froud-writing | and if needed include content from kde upstream | 10:07 |
| gtaylor | ok | 10:07 |
| gtaylor | sounds like a safe plan | 10:07 |
| froud-writing | there are many places where we can copy their text | 10:07 |
| froud-writing | but why copy it when we can just xinclude it | 10:08 |
| gtaylor | yeah | 10:08 |
| froud-writing | so thinking | 10:08 |
| froud-writing | I will put a vendor drop of upstream in /vendor/kde | 10:08 |
| froud-writing | anyone working on kde will checkout the vendor drop relative to their trunk | 10:09 |
| froud-writing | that way our xinclude paths remain constant between us | 10:10 |
| gtaylor | sounds good | 10:10 |
| froud-writing | with the vendor drop we can, as and when required, choose to use xinclude/xpointer to bring in xml nodes by way of reference | 10:10 |
| froud-writing | so we have no need for copy paste | 10:11 |
| froud-writing | sound ok? | 10:11 |
| gtaylor | yeah, as long as we can modify the includes if the need be | 10:11 |
| gtaylor | (should be rare though) | 10:11 |
| froud-writing | yes we can but best done upstream | 10:12 |
| gtaylor | ok | 10:12 |
| froud-writing | or I can diff and patch between the two copies I have on disk | 10:12 |
| froud-writing | and that way commit it to kde | 10:12 |
| froud-writing | I have kde commit | 10:12 |
| froud-writing | but there is a warning with this | 10:13 |
| froud-writing | with this comes a responsability | 10:13 |
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| froud-writing | if we make changes to xincludes then they must not be related to kubuntu but kde in general | 10:14 |
| gtaylor | That sounds fine as long as everyone knows and understands this | 10:14 |
| froud-writing | yep | 10:15 |
| froud-writing | do you understand xincludes? | 10:15 |
| froud-writing | jjesse: do you understand xincludes? | 10:15 |
| gtaylor | yeah, no problem here | 10:16 |
| froud-writing | OK that just leaves jjesse | 10:17 |
| froud-writing | gtaylor: I will send a message to the list outlining all this | 10:17 |
| gtaylor | Sounds good | 10:17 |
| froud-writing | just incase ;-) | 10:17 |
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| jjesse | xincludes? nope | 10:18 |
| jjesse | sorry | 10:18 |
| froud-writing | np | 10:18 |
| froud-writing | its ok | 10:18 |
| GregTaylor | testing IRC clients :) | 10:18 |
| froud-writing | Konversation 0.18 Build 3016 | 10:18 |
| froud-writing | on 0.16 here | 10:19 |
| GregTaylor | they just updated it | 10:19 |
| froud-writing | how is 0.1.8 | 10:19 |
| GregTaylor | think it might've been a backport. I'm not sure, never used 0.16 to Kompare it too :) | 10:19 |
| froud-writing | jjesse: can you read http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/ModularDoc.html when you get a chance and let me know if there is anything you dont understand? | 10:20 |
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| froud-writing | GregTaylor: do you want to use Glossaries | 10:21 |
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| froud-writing | gtaylor: do you want to use Glossaries | 10:21 |
| froud-writing | jjesse: do you want to use Glossaries? | 10:21 |
| gtaylor | froud-writing: I think it might be helpful | 10:23 |
| froud-writing | gtaylor: take a look at http://computerdictionary.tsf.org.za, let me know if you think we can use it as a build dependancy | 10:24 |
| froud-writing | gtaylor: what's your docbook toochain? | 10:26 |
| gtaylor | froud-writing: That's a broken link for me | 10:27 |
| froud-writing | gtaylor: r you ok with a 4.4 dtd | 10:27 |
| froud-writing | oops | 10:27 |
| gtaylor | froud-writing: I know little about the DTD's, I've just been following the same format as the documents I tinker with. | 10:28 |
| froud-writing | http://computerdictionary.tsf.org.za/ | 10:28 |
| gtaylor | So I'm fine with anything | 10:28 |
| froud-writing | should work | 10:29 |
| gtaylor | That's an interesting project | 10:29 |
| froud-writing | gtaylor: this is kde stuff so kubuntu will ship html | 10:29 |
| froud-writing | but if we want to use xincludes then we need at least docbook 4.3 or higher | 10:29 |
| froud-writing | higher the better as 4.4. fixes some issues | 10:30 |
| gtaylor | That's fine with me. The dictionary looks interesting too. It'd be nice to have if it doesn't make things run really slow when browsing the pages. | 10:30 |
| froud-writing | it will only be used for build | 10:30 |
| froud-writing | for transform from xml 2 html | 10:30 |
| froud-writing | there is no need for anyone to install it on a user desktop | 10:31 |
| gtaylor | Then I see no reason not to use it, it looks pretty thorough | 10:31 |
| froud-writing | just the authors here | 10:31 |
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| froud-writing | gtaylor: your are welcome to bring patches to the project, sen dme your username and password and I will open you a commit account | 10:33 |
| froud-writing | jjesse: what do you think of the abov elink | 10:33 |
| jjesse | the computer dictionary? | 10:33 |
| froud-writing | yes | 10:33 |
| jjesse | i like it | 10:33 |
| froud-writing | can you use it? | 10:33 |
| froud-writing | do you want glossaries | 10:34 |
| jjesse | i would like glossaries | 10:34 |
| froud-writing | ok do you know about glossentries | 10:34 |
| jjesse | a little bit | 10:34 |
| froud-writing | ok then http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/Glossaries.html | 10:35 |
| froud-writing | gtaylor: jjesse; I will impliment it as a glossary database as descibed http://www.sagehill.net/docbookxsl/GlossDatabase.html | 10:36 |
| froud-writing | jjesse: do you want to commit to the dictionary? | 10:36 |
| jjesse | i think so letme read more about it :) | 10:36 |
| jjesse | checked out svn | 10:36 |
| froud-writing | OK if you do send mail to me with username and password | 10:37 |
| froud-writing | Ok that's it for now. so I go to write that message explaining all this. | 10:37 |
| squinn | froud-writing, did u get my list msg? | 10:55 |
| froud-writing | squinn: yes that is fine | 10:57 |
| froud-writing | mdke: move to arrange commit account for squinn | 10:58 |
| squinn | froud-writing and mdke, appreciated | 10:58 |
| squinn | froud-writing, only reason i asked is because i didn't get the msg | 10:58 |
| squinn | thats fine, i'll view via web interface | 10:59 |
| froud-writing | OK, but I need a second to get your account | 10:59 |
| froud-writing | any other commiter prepared to second me :-) | 11:00 |
| jjesse | am i allowed to ? | 11:00 |
| froud-writing | your a committer | 11:01 |
| jjesse | then i second it :) | 11:01 |
| froud-writing | if you feel its good then second the motion and I will write to enrico | 11:01 |
| froud-writing | thanks | 11:01 |
| jjesse | heading home, softball tonight have a good one | 11:01 |
| froud-writing | squinn: pls send me your public pgp key and your username of choice | 11:02 |
| squinn | froud-writing, will do | 11:02 |
| squinn | username is squinn | 11:02 |
| squinn | pgp key is on its way | 11:02 |
| froud-writing | thanls | 11:03 |
| froud-writing | thanks | 11:03 |
| froud-writing | I will fwd to enrico and jerome cc you. Give elmo some time to open the account, he will message you the details when he is done | 11:04 |
| froud-writing | if nothing happens in one week, then let us know so we can ping him :-) | 11:04 |
| squinn | Alright, thank you. | 11:05 |
| froud-writing | squinn: was the last patch to the quick guide from you? | 11:05 |
| squinn | yes. | 11:05 |
| froud-writing | the one jeff applied | 11:05 |
| squinn | yes, that was me. | 11:05 |
| squinn | or my patch, yes. | 11:06 |
| froud-writing | Ok, you coul dnot know this so dont be worried | 11:06 |
| froud-writing | but did you look at it in yelp? | 11:06 |
| squinn | Yes, I did. | 11:07 |
| squinn | But I probably overlooked something. | 11:07 |
| froud-writing | Ok you mainly did this | 11:07 |
| froud-writing | -linkend="qg-ubuntu-update-manager"endterm="title-qg-ubuntu-update-manager"/>, | 11:07 |
| froud-writing | +linkend="qg-ubuntu-update-manager"/>, | 11:07 |
| froud-writing | there is a problem with that in so much that the xrefs now read wrong | 11:08 |
| froud-writing | blah blah Chapter 5. ----- | 11:08 |
| squinn | oh..i see | 11:08 |
| mdke | ok yeah commit account for squinn is a good idea | 11:08 |
| froud-writing | mdke: thanks | 11:08 |
| mdke | froud-writing, will you be writing to the list re taking responsibility for kde user guide? | 11:08 |
| froud-writing | yes | 11:08 |
| mdke | also to clarify your position on the team? | 11:08 |
| froud-writing | :-) dude so long as its kde I dont see a problem, do you? | 11:09 |
| mdke | i have a problem with the "just visiting" thing | 11:09 |
| froud-writing | squinn: there is a bug in yelp | 11:09 |
| squinn | froud-writing, yeah, jeff alerted me on that | 11:09 |
| mdke | froud-writing, i have no problem with you taking on the kde user guide tho, of course I'm happy | 11:09 |
| froud-writing | we did suply a patch upstream before hoary release | 11:09 |
| froud-writing | but it was not touched | 11:10 |
| squinn | Ah, okay. | 11:10 |
| squinn | Hm. | 11:10 |
| froud-writing | squinn: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeamMeetingSummary3 | 11:10 |
| mdke | squinn, btw your email just came to me afaics, not the list | 11:11 |
| froud-writing | [WWW] Yelp's XRef problem | 11:11 |
| mdke | froud-writing, i hope you understand my point re: your position on the team | 11:11 |
| squinn | hm okay | 11:11 |
| squinn | i think froud-writing got it.. | 11:11 |
| squinn | did ya, Sean? I'm not sure. I hit 'Reply To All'. I think?! | 11:11 |
| mdke | squinn, oh no sorry, i see it | 11:12 |
| mdke | squinn, the list software didn't send it to me because you had me in the To: box | 11:12 |
| mdke | my bad | 11:12 |
| froud-writing | squinn: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=170074 | 11:12 |
| froud-writing | that is why it does not handle linkend="qg-ubuntu-update-manager"endterm="title-qg-ubuntu-update-manager"/> | 11:12 |
| squinn | ah, alright | 11:12 |
| squinn | not a problem | 11:12 |
| squinn | somethings focking up with evolution, not list fault | 11:12 |
| froud-writing | squinn: upstream must fix this bug | 11:12 |
| squinn | i got it on gmail web interface | 11:12 |
| squinn | i see where you're coming from | 11:13 |
| froud-writing | squinn: its not a docbook bug, but a yelp bug | 11:13 |
| squinn | yes. | 11:13 |
| froud-writing | mdke: leave my position for now | 11:13 |
| froud-writing | mdke: its not importnat | 11:13 |
| squinn | froud-writing, i'm going to bump that bug | 11:14 |
| froud-writing | mdke: time to move on and let jerome manage it | 11:14 |
| froud-writing | mdke: its in community hands now | 11:14 |
| froud-writing | squinn: you can, but I doubt they will do it | 11:14 |
| mdke | froud-writing, its important for the team to know if you are going to work in the team or for yourself | 11:14 |
| mdke | otherwise our work will get hampered | 11:15 |
| froud-writing | mdke: I always work for myslef :-) no secrets there | 11:15 |
| squinn | froud-writing, nothing to lose -- i'll go for it | 11:15 |
| froud-writing | squinn: yes, but I think the maintainers wanted a better solution. | 11:15 |
| froud-writing | frustrating | 11:15 |
| froud-writing | they should accept that one until there is a better one | 11:16 |
| froud-writing | mdke: my traction on kde will not get in your way | 11:16 |
| mdke | froud-writing, your attitude will get in the way of the team | 11:17 |
| mdke | this "just visiting" business is incredibly counterproductive | 11:17 |
| froud-writing | mdke: only if you see it that way. now really, drop it and move on | 11:17 |
| mdke | I'm not the only person that feels that way | 11:18 |
| froud-writing | mdke: well I cant help that ppl have had their chance to rip into me | 11:18 |
| froud-writing | if I am th ebad guy, then so be it | 11:18 |
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| froud-writing | now I would rather focus on doing | 11:19 |
| froud-writing | no offense intended | 11:19 |
| mdke | ok | 11:19 |
| froud-writing | if somebody has a problem with me they can say it to me or via the list | 11:19 |
| mdke | ok | 11:19 |
| mdke | i've expressed my views | 11:19 |
| froud-writing | I have no problem with that | 11:19 |
| mdke | its enough | 11:19 |
| froud-writing | acepted | 11:19 |
| mdke | but I hope you understand that I am working as hard as I can to make a group, rather than an individual-led project | 11:20 |
| mdke | if I fail, so be it | 11:20 |
| froud-writing | mdke: I understand that | 11:21 |
| mdke | ok i'm glad | 11:21 |
| froud-writing | mdke: you know there are some good things that have come of this | 11:21 |
| mdke | i'm sure there will be | 11:21 |
| mdke | they haven't come yet though | 11:21 |
| froud-writing | mdke: no its already happening, for the first time in a long time I am seeing people taking ownership of the project | 11:22 |
| froud-writing | people who were once new to the project are now getting old and they are having views that challenge my own | 11:22 |
| froud-writing | that's a good thing | 11:23 |
| froud-writing | IMHO | 11:23 |
| mdke | well i arrived all the participants in the project had left | 11:23 |
| mdke | i don't want that to happen again | 11:23 |
| mdke | if we create a group that takes decisions TOGETHER, that will not happen | 11:23 |
| froud-writing | dude most never did anything | 11:23 |
| froud-writing | they went to do their own things | 11:23 |
| froud-writing | one became a debian developer | 11:24 |
| froud-writing | something he always wanted | 11:24 |
| froud-writing | and so with each person | 11:24 |
| froud-writing | at last xmas time all I found was an empty svn sitting on hornbecks machine | 11:24 |
| mdke | you know that many left because of dissatisfaction with the project | 11:25 |
| froud-writing | perhaps | 11:25 |
| mdke | now that we are getting interest from many, we need a proper team | 11:25 |
| froud-writing | but they were also not committing | 11:25 |
| froud-writing | this group is different, they are committing | 11:25 |
| froud-writing | and I want to work with committers, not those that dont :-) | 11:26 |
| froud-writing | anyway, I have a proposal to write | 11:26 |
| froud-writing | mdke: I am a mixed bundle some good, mostly bad | 11:26 |
| froud-writing | ;-) | 11:26 |
| mdke | you just need discipline ;) | 11:27 |
| froud-writing | yes sir! | 11:27 |
| mdke | your work is great, but you don't inspire trust when you go it alone | 11:28 |
| froud-writing | I am not on a popularity contest here | 11:28 |
| mdke | thats not the point | 11:28 |
| mdke | its a team question | 11:28 |
| froud-writing | you and jerome have finally challenged | 11:28 |
| froud-writing | and that is good | 11:28 |
| mdke | if we have regular team meetings and follow up on the decisions made in the last meeting with mark, I'm sure that we will have a team in place, that will not depend on individuals | 11:29 |
| froud-writing | it shows commitment | 11:29 |
| mdke | i'm not challenging | 11:29 |
| froud-writing | dude you have and that is brilliant | 11:29 |
| froud-writing | you questioned me and that is good | 11:29 |
| mdke | there should be no sense of challenge in a proper team | 11:29 |
| froud-writing | dude it works | 11:29 |
| froud-writing | leave it there | 11:29 |
| mdke | bah | 11:29 |
| froud-writing | I am happy for your and jerome | 11:29 |
| froud-writing | at least I wont go unchecked ;-) | 11:30 |
| mdke | sure | 11:30 |
| mdke | but I do not want to feel that you need to be checked | 11:30 |
| froud-writing | can I go back to work now dad :-) | 11:30 |
| froud-writing | dude we all do | 11:30 |
| mdke | nah | 11:30 |
| mdke | if the team makes all decisions, it will be fine | 11:30 |
| mdke | regular meetings will help | 11:30 |
| froud-writing | mdke: I leave you to learn as I did, lets talk in about six months on this subject. I would like to hear th elessons you have learned | 11:31 |
| froud-writing | mdke: one tip | 11:31 |
| mdke | I can't believe you keep misunderstanding me and think that this is about a technical question | 11:31 |
| mdke | this is purely a community question for me | 11:31 |
| froud-writing | sometimes silence is consent | 11:31 |
| froud-writing | mdke: no I dont :-) | 11:32 |
| mdke | ok | 11:32 |
| mdke | btw silence is only rarely consent | 11:32 |
| mdke | from the legal point of view it is never consent | 11:33 |
| froud-writing | mdke: like me you will find that at some point you will need to make decisions because nobody else is willing to make them. Every leader has these times | 11:33 |
| mdke | you are not a leader | 11:33 |
| mdke | nor am i | 11:33 |
| mdke | nor is anyone on this team | 11:33 |
| froud-writing | Hmmm, I wonder | 11:33 |
| froud-writing | you have age | 11:33 |
| mdke | that is my whole problem | 11:33 |
| mdke | you think you are a leader | 11:33 |
| froud-writing | mdke: you are a leader, accept it | 11:33 |
| mdke | nope | 11:33 |
| mdke | i dont accept that | 11:33 |
| froud-writing | you may not be officially appointed, but you are a leader | 11:34 |
| mdke | not in this community | 11:34 |
| mdke | this is a team | 11:34 |
| froud-writing | you age and experience with the project makes you so whether you like it or not | 11:34 |
| mdke | or rather, it should be | 11:34 |
| froud-writing | and new members will look to you for guidance | 11:34 |
| mdke | we have different definitions of leaders | 11:34 |
| froud-writing | yes | 11:34 |
| froud-writing | we do | 11:34 |
| froud-writing | very | 11:34 |
| mdke | anyhow | 11:34 |
| froud-writing | :-) lets leave it at that shall we | 11:34 |
| mdke | this community has rules | 11:35 |
| mdke | i like rules | 11:35 |
| mdke | i respect them | 11:35 |
| froud-writing | hmm | 11:35 |
| froud-writing | I see so | 11:35 |
| mdke | you're a renegade :) | 11:35 |
| froud-writing | perhaps | 11:35 |
| mdke | there was a great english lawyer like you | 11:35 |
| froud-writing | I like the great part | 11:35 |
| mdke | he used to ignore the rules | 11:35 |
| mdke | and make his own | 11:35 |
| karlheg | debian/rules -j | 11:35 |
| froud-writing | yep | 11:35 |
| mdke | he was a great lawyer | 11:35 |
| froud-writing | make your own rules | 11:35 |
| froud-writing | stand by your guns | 11:36 |
| mdke | but what he did was wrong | 11:36 |
| froud-writing | and go for it | 11:36 |
| mdke | nope | 11:36 |
| froud-writing | sure we all do wrong | 11:36 |
| squinn | froud-writing, here's my pgp key | 11:36 |
| mdke | rules, in a FOSS community more than anything, are vital to the survival of the community | 11:36 |
| squinn | should i send the 1024 pub or the 2048 sub? | 11:36 |
| mdke | squinn, your public key | 11:36 |
| froud-writing | 1024 | 11:36 |
| squinn | 32DAA3C3 | 11:37 |
| squinn | that was preceded by 1024D/ | 11:37 |
| squinn | but i think that was irrelevent | 11:37 |
| froud-writing | mdke: you will learn that squinn email sean@inwords.co.za | 11:37 |
| mdke | i will learn what? | 11:37 |
| froud-writing | mdke: that there are no rules | 11:37 |
| mdke | ooh | 11:37 |
| mdke | i got patronised | 11:37 |
| mdke | maybe you will learn my point of view one day | 11:38 |
| froud-writing | if you work with rules you get boxed | 11:38 |
| squinn | froud-writing, email you @ sean@inwords.foo.bar? | 11:38 |
| squinn | i didn't feel like typing co.za* | 11:38 |
| mdke | squinn, email him your key | 11:38 |
| froud-writing | mdke: another thought | 11:38 |
| squinn | okay | 11:38 |
| froud-writing | destroy everything | 11:38 |
| froud-writing | build and tear it down as much as you can | 11:38 |
| froud-writing | if you are going to do something you must fail | 11:39 |
| froud-writing | the faster you fail, th emore times you fail, the faster you will suceed | 11:39 |
| mdke | well i will continue trying to help build a team | 11:39 |
| froud-writing | I know you think I am barmy right | 11:39 |
| mdke | i believe in building a team structure that will not need to be torn down | 11:39 |
| mdke | froud-writing, you ARE barmy | 11:40 |
| froud-writing | Hmmm, build it, break it and build it again, better each time | 11:40 |
| mdke | you know that | 11:40 |
| karlheg | Without rules, the box isn't square and won't stand. | 11:40 |
| mdke | yes | 11:40 |
| mdke | anyway, enough on this | 11:40 |
| froud-writing | well that's fine if you want to see the world in squares | 11:40 |
| mdke | froud-writing, other people's way of seeing the world is equally as valid as yours | 11:41 |
| karlheg | arches then? | 11:41 |
| karlheg | French curls? | 11:41 |
| karlheg | Ah! Round tables. | 11:41 |
| squinn | froud-writing, sent | 11:43 |
| squinn | froud-writing, i'm now talking to the head of GNOME Bugzilla's YELP. | 11:44 |
| squinn | He's got our bug assigned, etc. | 11:44 |
| squinn | froud-writing, <shaunm> squinn: was fixed about six weeks ago | 11:46 |
| squinn | froud-writing, got some news | 11:48 |
| squinn | froud-writing, it is to the knowledge of gnome that the yelp problem was fixed | 11:53 |
| squinn | with this brand-spankin-new package | 11:53 |
| squinn | gnome-doc-utils 0.3.1 | 11:53 |
| froud-writing | Ok, so now we just need to upgrade | 11:53 |
| froud-writing | and test it | 11:53 |
| squinn | right. | 11:54 |
| squinn | but i'm still in hoary | 11:54 |
| froud-writing | that's ok just upgrade yelp | 11:54 |
| squinn | >shaunm> squinn: btw, starting with gnome-doc-utils 0.3.1, you can just do <xref linkend="foo-id" xrefstyle="role:title"/> | 11:54 |
| squinn | <shaunm> squinn: btw, starting with gnome-doc-utils 0.3.1, you can just do <xref linkend="foo-id" xrefstyle="role:title"/> | 11:54 |
| squinn | so put in a breezy repo? | 11:55 |
| froud-writing | squinn: I think it will | 11:55 |
| froud-writing | oh no not more gnome namespaces | 11:55 |
| froud-writing | Ok I am off fo rthe night. c ya | 11:55 |
| mdke | :/ | 11:59 |
| === mdke is tired | ||
| squinn | join the club. | 11:59 |
| mdke | ok | 11:59 |
| squinn | mdke, should i pull the plug and go for breezy? | 11:59 |
| mdke | nah | 12:00 |
| mdke | don't worry about that stuff is my advice | 12:00 |
| squinn | okay | 12:00 |
| mdke | just concentrate of getting some content sorted | 12:00 |
| mdke | of/on | 12:00 |
| squinn | i think i may go breezy anyway though | 12:00 |
| squinn | with nothing to do with docteam | 12:00 |
| mdke | your call | 12:00 |
| mdke | it doesn't work much right now | 12:00 |
| squinn | but im not pulling trigger until im sure | 12:00 |
| squinn | i've noticed | 12:00 |
| squinn | hence why i'm holding back | 12:00 |
| mdke | yeah me too | 12:00 |
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