=== rob^ [~rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mario_ [~mario@pc-144-213-239-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mario_ [~mario@pc-144-213-239-201.cm.vtr.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Abandonando"] === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [~rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [~judax@ppp-69-148-18-161.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:46] hello [04:47] Hi [05:23] hey judax, jsgotangco [05:23] jsgotangco: question for you [05:23] and i only ask you because i've heard your name/nick before LOL [05:25] Hi squinn [05:27] hi [05:27] sure [05:27] squinn, fire away [05:27] holy shit i forgot my sudo password [05:29] um, i think i may have determined it [05:29] but i dunno. [05:29] ? [05:29] jsgotangco, if it's possible, can you see why i'm not getting mail from ubuntu-doc [05:29] i mean, i can send out now [05:29] whats your email [05:29] and i got some of my own messages [05:29] seandq@gmail.com [05:30] but i am not getting any in [05:30] im so scrwed i forgot my own password [05:30] i think it COULD be because i was set to get only english docteam messages [05:30] can't you check? [05:30] h/o i know how to check [05:31] no i mean my password in another box [05:31] http://ubuntuguide.org/#changerootpasswordforgotten, jsgotangco [05:31] let me check the archives [05:31] oh [05:31] ok [05:31] do you use GRUB on that box? [05:32] yeah [05:32] my problem is i forgot my sudo password so i cant even passwd root [05:33] okay here's the fix [05:33] it's an ubuntu box? [05:33] yeah [05:33] and you use grub [05:33] first thing i suggest [05:33] is that you boot into that kernel's recovery mode [05:34] it gives you root access and all you then type is "passwd root" [05:34] ahh [05:41] oh it gaveme root access [05:41] cant i just change password to my username here? [05:44] squinn, there's nothing wrong with your list account its all default [05:46] is there an index of all the pages in the wiki? [05:48] there used to be one [05:48] hmm [05:48] not so sure about the moin one [05:48] I didnt think so, I couldnt find it anyway [05:53] the subversion server certificate isn't issued by a cert authotity.. is this normal? [05:54] it means that the server certificate is not listed in a 3rd party. that is pretty normal [05:54] (my mailserver for one) [05:54] yeah, I was just making sure nothing funny was going on === froud [~sean@ndn-165-146-74.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:44] just a quick question about the user guide, the sections marked "NO STATUS" mean that no one has started work on the section, right? [07:46] on the wiki? [07:46] the wiki is not that updated [07:46] im supposed to fix the status for docs :) [07:46] http://people.ubuntu.com/~mako/docteam/status/ug-report.html [07:46] no please don't refer to that doc [07:47] anything inside mako's shell is most likely old [07:47] ah [07:47] where is the up-to-date list, if any? [07:48] we have a docteam project page but its not updated [07:48] give me until today to fix that [07:48] np [07:48] thanks [07:48] morn jsgotangco [07:49] froud, hi mate [07:49] froud, what a mouthful [07:49] mouthful? [07:49] the email :) [07:49] jsgotangco, where is that page located? [07:49] oh yeah, me bad guy, taking flack :-) [07:50] jsgotangco: if you want to setup the status previews we must enable the scripts [07:50] rob^, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects [07:50] scripts? [07:50] ah ok.. thats the one I was using [07:51] rob^, the status are terribly old [07:51] yeah [07:51] jsgotangco: yes the scripts that create those pages on DocteamPages [07:51] oops [07:51] DocteamProjects [07:54] for script to generate those pages see libs/writeOwnerStatus.xsl === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:14] hi [09:14] morning [09:14] i am going back to bed [09:14] just woke up because some kind of thunderbolt struck outside [09:15] heh its raining here but no thunderbolts [09:15] my internet connection has been down all night :/ [09:16] how are you jsgotangco ? [09:16] im trying to chew sean's email [09:17] i am pleased he wrote [09:17] dialogue is important [09:17] i will still go to the TB route but tell them that we will ship what we decide [09:19] the point is, the doc team needs to discuss these matters as a team [09:19] THEN we need to get good communication and rapport going with -devel [09:19] aye [09:19] mine and henrik's emails are not really about what to ship [09:20] yep [09:29] the double titles on most wiki pages since the migration are annoying me. Should we start removing the 2nd titles? [09:30] like what? [09:30] you mean the /talk pages? [09:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth [09:31] where you see "Mark Shuttleworth" twice at the top [09:31] oh i see [09:31] that doesn't bother me! [09:31] jsgotangco, but obviously if you want to remove them you can [09:31] there are about 1500 pages to do ;) [09:32] yeah I know. I have removed a couple while doing other edits [09:32] me too [09:32] btw I made a CategoryUbuntuTeams just now [09:33] question about that: are they just for official teams? I just saw the ArtTeam a few minutes ago; should they get that category added at the end? [09:34] tbh I don't know [09:34] i think it should be in that category [09:34] and also linked on the UbuntuTeams page [09:34] I don't think they are an official teams; not even sure if it is an active team === mdke shrugs [09:35] not sure === zalim [~zalim@219.93.199.36] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:36] that's what I was leaning toward.....a team is a team.. Do you know what is the story about graphics that didn't make the transition? That ArtTeam page link to a png that obviously isn't there right now. [09:36] yes it is being worked on [09:36] they got lost [09:36] we may need to relink them when they are copied back [09:38] it's nice to have a new wiki...but quite a few things are broken. (just saw the latest e-mail from jsgotangco about missing meeting summaries) [09:38] hmm one wiki page i made literally disappeared :) [09:38] GYAAHHH [09:38] jsgotangco, which? [09:38] pdatesting === rob^ [~rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:39] i did that spec :) [09:39] oh wait [09:39] i was at the talk page [09:39] *whew* [09:39] pages are backed up anyway [09:40] robitaille, yeah :( [09:40] what email about missing meeting summaries? [09:40] oh [09:40] sent to the ubuntu-doc list 8 minutes ago [09:40] that is not due to the wiki transition [09:41] forget it, im totally messed up this morning [09:41] that is due to jsgotangco randomly posting stuff that wasn't there ;) [09:41] *grins* [09:41] let him get his fix of green tea [09:41] i'm not sending another email [09:41] its probably that freaking ice crream during lunch [09:42] mmm [09:42] icecream [09:42] so maybe I won't go back to bed [09:46] haven't had much sleep tho... === froud [~froud@ndn-165-146-74.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud is now known as froud-work === ealden [~ealden@219.90.92.192] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:46] mdke, you're not italian yet you are part of the italian team? [10:46] (not based in italy as well) [10:47] that's it === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-117.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:54] who uses bluefish? [10:54] i do [10:54] i installed it yesterday, its amazing [10:54] heh [10:54] im surprised you just installed it [10:54] i'm gonna use it for our stuff [10:54] its been available for a while [10:55] it supports docbook too [10:55] morning mpt [10:55] yes it does [10:55] so does screem and conglomerate [10:55] hi mdke, jsgotangco, everybody [10:55] mpt, hi [11:08] sounds suspiciously like IE will be a FF clone :-) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/XAML/message/429 [11:09] However, Microsoft [11:09] recognizes that much more work remains to be done and will continue to make improvements in the IE version that ships with Longhorn as well as in IE 8.0. [11:10] Hmmm [11:10] mmm? [11:10] hopefully they wont mess it up along the way === ealden [~ealden@219.90.91.253] has joined #ubuntu-doc === otep [pazu@AP-203.167.31.158.sysads.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [~enrico@enrico.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:35] enrico, hi :) [12:41] hi === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:08] im going home [01:08] later people [01:09] night === rob^ [~rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~froud@ndn-165-146-74.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud is now known as froud-work === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [~rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [~ealden@219.90.91.253] has joined #ubuntu-doc === gtaylor [~gtaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:49] does anyone remember when Warty was first released? [04:49] like around what date? [04:49] about a year ago? [04:49] october 2004 [04:50] ubuntu releases are every 6 months [04:50] (see about-ubuntu ;) [04:50] ok, thanks [04:50] yeah I saw that [04:50] wary release numbers give clues 4.10 [04:50] doh, forgot about that [04:50] 5.10 === mdke [~mdke@81-178-109-10.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === matt_ [~mdke@81-178-109-10.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~mdke@81-178-109-10.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === philipacamaniac [~phliipaca@208-47-135-198.dia.cust.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-139-210.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~mdke@81-178-109-10.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:42] sorry for the connect/disconnect spamming [05:42] hopefully done now [05:51] mdke, do you have a list of wikipages with broken image links? [06:11] how can I make WordsLikeThis not appear as InterWiki links? (e.g., KolourPaint or KRegExpEditor) [06:15] you don't [06:15] that is called camelcase [06:15] and that is how the wiki makes links [06:15] kind of dumb, actually [06:16] so, okay... [06:16] hmm [06:17] I guess renaming them to Kolourpaint and Kregexpeditor is the best idea? or maybe post them as `inline code` [06:19] I'm going to search for this "bug" at MoinMoin, because almost every KDE application appears to use camelcase, which makes it muy dificil for creating and working on KDE wikipages. [06:37] the bug is not going to go away until the wiki switches from CamelCase [06:37] which would be nice, but most wikis do it [06:38] does that mean we have to type it wrong? [06:38] why can't a character be implemented that escapes camelcase? [06:38] we should probably switch to non-CamelCase along with Wikipedia [06:38] as that is more intuitive, in my view [06:39] file a bug in the ubuntu bugzilla about dropping camelcase [06:40] I agree about the intuitive comment, and I will file an internal bug, but I still think an camelcase escape character/command could exist. [06:44] if we switch to non-camelcase, then we don't have the issue [06:44] as links become [[link] ] [06:44] good point [07:08] philipacamaniac, for the broken images, we will organise a structured action and post it to the list [07:08] excellent [07:08] it will be awesome if you can help [07:09] I'm a very web-oriented guy, so the wiki seems like the best way for me to help right now. I'm also posting some markup suggestions to the list. [07:09] there is a way of stopping WordsLikeThis not linking I think [07:10] philipacamaniac, that's cool thanks [07:10] what's the method? [07:10] lemme test [07:11] hmm [07:11] its not pretty philipacamaniac [07:11] still wanna hear it? [07:11] as long as it works [07:11] Words''''''Like''''''This [07:12] wtf? [07:12] what is that character?? [07:12] its an apostrophe [07:12] on my uk keyboard it is under the @ sign [07:12] you use '' for italics, ''' for bold etc [07:12] okay, lemme try [07:12] example is on MatthewEast [07:12] at the end of the first line [07:13] okay so 6 single quotes [07:13] it didn't look like that when you posted in here :) === froud [~sean@ndn-165-139-210.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:14] oh [07:14] what did it look like? [07:14] that's perfect, and exactly what I was looking for.... it looked like <- (sort of) [07:14] weird [07:15] but I'm on my laptop, which is *gasp* windows [07:15] oh that's why [07:15] yeah [07:15] it doesn't read utf8 properly [07:15] btw those ideas you sent to the list are nice [07:15] I meant to send a couple more, they are on their way... I just forgot to add them [07:17] a link to return to the original page is important i think [07:17] the command is there, just not the link [07:18] after editing it takes you to MatthewEast#preview, which is annoying, so it would be cool to have a button to go back to MatthewEast === froud [~sean@ndn-165-139-210.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:18] yep. what about the /talk idea? (a little more radical, I know) [07:19] actually having said that, the "clear this message" does that [07:19] yeah the talk idea is also good [07:19] i don't think the interface is too busy [07:19] "clear this message" doesn't appear on diff and show changes [07:19] nono [07:19] I mean diff and info [07:19] just on #preview [07:19] yeah [07:19] i gotta run to the shop [07:19] back later [07:20] k === froud [~sean@ndn-165-139-210.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~sean@ndn-165-139-210.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~sean@ndn-165-139-210.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === squinn [~squinn@68.205.198.0] has joined #ubuntu-doc === abelli [~john@ad1592ec8462ece0.session.tor] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:39] vale comites. [08:39] hi abelli [08:40] ciao mdke [08:40] mdke: do you guys have something ready (developerdocs)? [08:41] abelli, we are not working on developer docs right now afaik [08:42] our projects are http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects [08:42] actually we should put that in the topic === ..[topic/#ubuntu-doc:mdke] : Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | This channel tries to follow the tradition of the #gnome-love channel on irc.gimp.net, all new comers and questions are welcomed, as long as you follow the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct first. [08:45] you need a lot of help with the kubuntu docs, eh? [08:46] hmm [08:46] both really [08:46] actually a few people have joined recently with interest in kde [08:47] that's good... if I join the docteam, I'll prefer KDE documentation [08:47] ;) [08:48] welcome philipacamaniac kde fellow [08:48] hi [08:50] froud-writing: is that a good thing or not? [08:50] goood [08:50] enrico: ding [08:50] kde good [08:50] kde really really good :) [08:50] :) [08:51] yumm [08:51] candy [08:51] im so sorry for you. [08:52] i tried enlightenment this evening [08:52] I know abelli I loveyou 2 [08:52] it is very nice looking [08:52] mdke: youre coming from gentoo .. right? [08:53] why the switch from gentoo mdke? i never heard [08:53] philipacamaniac: you want a bite of the kde user manual [08:53] jjesse: that was a thought .. if he uses e* .. [08:53] gentoo good for servers [08:53] i use gentoo on my desktop abelli/jjesse [08:54] froud-writing: and froud good for writing .. not thinking. [08:54] froud-writing: I have no experience with DocBook yet, I'm lurking and getting a feel for it === Burgundavia questions the sanity of mdke [08:54] philipacamaniac: dont be shy I will help you [08:54] philipacamaniac: you just write and leave the docbook to me [08:55] philipacamaniac: in time you will learn it too, its not hard [08:55] philipacamaniac: just looks that way [08:55] if i can learn it anyone can :) [08:56] in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects .. the next release is still hoary. [08:56] whose up for hacking the balzes out of the kubuntu user guide, all in favor say aye! [08:56] Burgundavia, :) [08:56] abelli, will change, thanks [08:56] aye :) [08:56] mdke: just call me master .. we're friends. [08:56] aye guess ;) [08:57] gtaylor: what about you dude === froud-writing look around for more kde hipsters [08:58] jjesse: how much work you want? [08:58] sorry but afaics there are more things planned for kde than for gnome .. is kde more difficult and less intuitive than gnome? [08:58] philipacamaniac: and you? how much work? === Burgundavia will take the troll and say yes === FLeiXiuS [~fleixius@pcp0011790326pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:59] is there anything started in the kuserguide? [08:59] froud-writing: What's up? [08:59] I will have a #1 outline this week [08:59] we're talking https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kde/kuserguide/ ? [08:59] gtaylor: you up to hacking the blazes out of the kubuntu user guide? [08:59] new outline [08:59] Burgundavia: no one is following you .. :( [09:00] oh yeah, I was waiting on an outline so I could start :) [09:00] each take a part and blow it apart in a few weeks [09:00] a lot of userguide for ubuntu can be used in kubuntu userguide correct? [09:00] this will be my first time, so I'll have to start small, please [09:00] Ok so I have an outline in the pipes [09:00] sounds good [09:00] philipacamaniac: dont worry you take what you can bite [09:00] excellent [09:01] OK here is my plan [09:01] *sigh* [09:01] I have a drop of the kde users manual [09:01] I am building it from upstream [09:01] I will drop it in the vendor/ [09:01] and copy to the kde/kuserguide/ [09:02] merge it into one piece so that everyone can take a chunk [09:02] any questions [09:02] OK some of our changes should flow upstream to kde [09:02] just let me know when the outline is up :) [09:02] i've just sent a mail to the list following up on the decision at the meeting for individuals to be responsible for documents [09:03] so I will merge specific stuff from the trunk/ into the vendor/ [09:03] that way we can help upstream [09:03] mdke: ? [09:03] mdke: Hmm did not know [09:03] froud-writing, how could you, I just sent it now [09:04] OK, so jjesse, gtaylor, philipacamaniac the kubuntu user guide is a big peice [09:04] give me about two days and monitor th elist [09:04] sounds like froud-writing will take charge of the kde user guide ;) [09:04] ok [09:04] just let me know and i will attack it [09:05] I will try to add comments so my outline is not too obscure [09:05] froud-writing, it would also be nice if you share what you are doing/planning with the rest of the team via the list [09:05] I know it is hard to get an outline if you did not write it yourself [09:05] mdke: I am just aiming at one of the targets [09:05] and gathering team players [09:06] i know [09:06] my point remains [09:06] is there any wysiwyg app for docbook? [09:06] not really [09:06] mdke: no debate, no brakes [09:06] OO.o can do it sort of [09:06] froud-writing, its not a question of debate, its a question of you announcing formally that you will take charge of that document, and share how you intend to do it with the list [09:07] both those points were agreed on at the meeting [09:07] also, a clarification of your position in the team would be nice [09:07] Another point is anyone here a boff with packaging [09:08] abelli is looking for a dumies guide on how to create debs [09:08] there's a good wiki page for that, lemme find it [09:08] I've dabbled in it a bit and could help if someone wanted to head that up [09:08] my user page has a link to that :) [09:08] abelli, you have +1 more now [09:08] there is some stuff here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources [09:10] the wiki has a good search engine [09:10] mdke: thanks .. for saying something very useful. [09:10] abelli: how do you wnat it [09:10] fakeroot is good [09:11] i want it easy .. [09:11] Hmm fakeroot is safe [09:11] like a sunday morning .. [09:11] bad day [09:11] back [09:11] abelli, are you implying I don't normally say useful things? :p [09:11] alright abelli you lead it and we will support === judax [~judax@ppp-69-148-18-161.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:12] hey squinn [09:12] you're a kde dude [09:12] riht? [09:12] mdke: im implying that that wasnt absolutely useful. [09:12] ah === froud-writing goes of to work [09:13] sorry for trying to help abelli === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:13] mdke: thanks a lot. === philipacamaniac thinks mdke made a perfectly true and legitimate praise of the great new wiki [09:15] no actually froud-writing [09:15] im gnome [09:15] i just noticed that about kubuntu [09:15] hence why i made the patch [09:15] squinn: ok dude [09:15] no problem [09:15] I'm going to unsubscribe to the list..try resubscribing. [09:16] thanks [09:16] It's really crappy to me. [09:16] :-) [09:16] mdke: can you help me in that? [09:16] you're welcome, froud-writing [09:16] abelli, with what? [09:16] Ubuntu Packaging Survival Guide. [09:17] I don't think so [09:17] i know nothing about it, and don't have much time atm [09:17] *growls* [09:17] ohhhg grazie mille. === squinn growls louder [09:18] I unsubscribe because I didn't get mdke's email. [09:18] I look in my inbox, there's my unsubscription notice..right after mdke's email. === squinn resubscribes as planned [09:25] squinn, the ubuntu mailing lists are a little slow sometimes, you have to be patient ;) [09:25]