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[05:04] <rtcm> I've managed to put the packaged eclipse in breezy to run but I'm getting some crashes... it's to be expected right?
[05:04] <wasabi_> Well, it shouldn't be. What crashes?
[05:04] <rtcm> I'm running it with java-gcj-compat
[05:05] <rtcm> importing some source code
[05:05] <rtcm> while it's compiling
[05:10] <wasabi_> what type of crash is it, a total VM crash?
[05:11] <wasabi_> Or an unhandled exception?
[05:11] <rtcm> vm crash
[05:11] <wasabi_> Might want to file a bug. ;0
[05:11] <rtcm> i'm running it again
[05:13] <rtcm> being universe the correct place is malone right?
[05:13] <wasabi_> Eh. No clue. ;)
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[07:54] <flikker> hello
[08:03] <wasabi_> Hello.
[08:06] <flikker> having an applet problem
[08:06] <flikker> when i run it 
[08:06] <flikker> it displays this
[08:06] <flikker> java.security.AccessControlException
[08:07] <flikker> indeed my code is creating a file
[08:07] <flikker> but at the moment i am only testing my applet how do i go about this
[08:10] <flikker> wasabi
[08:10] <flikker> ?
[08:15] <wasabi_> sorry back
[08:16] <wasabi_> What VM are you using for this?
[08:16] <flikker> np did you read
[08:16] <flikker> ?
[08:16] <flikker> i am on windows
[08:16] <wasabi_> Ah you are in #ubuntu-java because?
[08:16] <flikker> sorry
[08:16] <flikker> i figure
[08:16] <wasabi_> I'm just not sure how it relates. ;)
[08:16] <wasabi_> I don't mind helping.. you're probably doing something the SM refuses.
[08:17] <flikker> well i did not think it was related to the os i was using
[08:17] <wasabi_> It's probalby not, but this channel is about Ubuntu Java development.
[08:17] <flikker> o is see
[08:17] <wasabi_> Ubuntu being a Linux distribution, trying to integrate Free JVMs
[08:17] <wasabi_> You are probably doing something the security manager dislikes.
[08:18] <flikker> i know ubuntu not because i am using win that i dont use linux have used ubuntu by the way
[08:18] <flikker> yes writing a sound file
[08:18] <flikker> any idea
[08:18] <wasabi_> An applet cannot usually read or write local files.
[08:18] <wasabi_> Without being signed and given full access.
[08:18] <wasabi_> Applets run in a sandbox.
[08:19] <flikker> where do i set this premissions
[08:19] <wasabi_> You don't.
[08:19] <flikker> in the webbrowser or the vm
[08:19] <wasabi_> Whatever controls the VM.
[08:19] <wasabi_> And you cannot just set the permissions.
[08:19] <flikker> hu?
[08:20] <flikker> example i was doing this in linux and ran this applet as root
[08:20] <wasabi_> http://ntrg.cs.tcd.ie/undergrad/4ba2.96/group2/applets.html
[08:20] <flikker> would i be able
[08:20] <wasabi_> no.
[08:20] <wasabi_> There are security considerations with running code from the internet.
[08:20] <flikker> then where or better what is causing me not to write a file on myone harddrive
[08:21] <wasabi_> The VM is causing that.
[08:21] <wasabi_> It is designed to.
[08:21] <wasabi_> You are not supposed to do that.
[08:21] <flikker> now there is something you should understand
[08:21] <wasabi_> http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=637043&tstart=0
[08:21] <flikker> i am trying to write serverside
[08:22] <wasabi_> Applet's are not server side.
[08:22] <flikker> in that case
[08:22] <wasabi_> http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/java-ent/jnut/ch05_04.htm
[08:24] <flikker> wasabi now the worse case is that i did not write this code myself
[08:24] <flikker> i am using it as an example to learn
[08:24] <flikker> http://www.developer.com/java/other/article.php/2105421
[08:25] <wasabi_> You'd be better not writing your audio to a file.
[08:25] <wasabi_> An Applet is not supposed to be able to access the local system. It's really much better to be transiant.
[08:25] <wasabi_> It can be done, but it introduces a whole host of issues.
[08:27] <flikker> under which conditions
[08:28] <wasabi_> I don't understand.
[08:28] <flikker> well if i see a tut on the net telling me that i can do it
[08:28] <wasabi_> You don't.
[08:28] <flikker> explaining how
[08:28] <wasabi_> You see a tut saying you can do it FOR A LOCAL APPLICATION
[08:28] <wasabi_> Not for an Applet.
[08:28] <flikker> fair enough
[08:29] <flikker> wasabi did you say this is impossible with an applet writing to the system
[08:29] <wasabi_> No.
[08:29] <wasabi_> I said it opens a whole host of issues.
[08:29] <wasabi_> An applet can be granted full permission.
[08:30] <flikker> ok under which conditions
[08:30] <wasabi_> To do so the applet must be signed by a certificate recognized as trusted by the local system.
[08:30] <wasabi_> http://java.sun.com/security/signExample/
[08:30] <flikker> ok i have seen that, in this case you need to creat a certificate in the vm right?
[08:31] <wasabi_> You need to create a certificate. You need to sign your applet's .jar files with that certificate, and then install the public key of the certificate to every client machine.
[08:33] <flikker> thanks for the explanation that is all for now
[08:34] <wasabi_> No problem. Try Ubuntu. ;)
[08:52] <flikker> have been that it is to croudy
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