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[12:33] good thanks === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] omg it's dholbach [01:03] hey schweeb :) [01:03] how's things [01:03] busy :( === schweeb is trying to get his laptop all working [01:03] no sound yet :-/ [01:04] good luck with that [01:05] i'll be off to bed after i got rid of the mosquitoes/gnats [01:05] heh [01:05] my front yard is a pond, I know all about mosquitos [01:06] and my lazy dog is just watching me happily, while i jump through the room and chase those bastards *GNA* [01:06] lazy dogs are better than any cat though! === schweeb h8s cats [01:07] at least ogra's cats chase mosquitoes at his place, i was nearly envying him :) [01:07] heh === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] ok boys... i'm off to bed - sleep tight! :) [01:10] nite === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.1.239] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] hello, I'd like to package, maintain Mediawiki for Breezy ... what is the procedure to apply? [03:07] GNULinuxer: Join #ubuntu-motu [03:07] err [03:07] nevermind, my tabs are one off [03:07] Amaranth> lol [03:07] Amaranth> what is the procedure? [03:08] GNULinuxer: Read the Debian New Maintainer's Guide, make a package, and submit it for review. [03:08] Amaranth> make any package or the one i intend to maintain? [03:08] the one you intend to maintain [03:09] Amaranth> and where should I submit it for review? [03:09] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages [03:11] Amaranth> thanks [03:13] if you have any question ask here [03:13] but it would probably be better to ask them tomorrow, it's sunday and this place is pretty much dead :) [03:14] Amaranth> fine [03:14] Amaranth> it's already monday here though! [03:15] Amaranth> what is the difference between a MOTU and a maintainer? [03:17] MOTUs are maintainers of Universe [03:17] a full maintainer can upload to main === stazz_ [~ville@a80-186-82-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rcliii [~rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [~Mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-96-128-246.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HostingGeek [~HG@200.48.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ups [~ups@203.200.160.52] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:37] hi [09:38] i cant mark bugs as duplicate in malone [09:38] keeps giving " Sorry, a system error occurred" message [09:39] ups, has it ever worked? I know it wasn't possible a while back, but I haven't tried since. [09:39] oh [09:39] i just started looking at malone [09:39] didn't know it was broken forever [09:42] any idea where can i file bug on malone? [09:42] ups, not broken...actively being worked on with new features being added very regularly. malone is a very new piece of software [09:44] yeah, but since its being used for universe packages, some basic functionality should be there [09:45] well found where to file bug on malone [09:46] https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/malone/+filebug [09:46] I just found it as well. It took a while.... I still prefer bugzilla to malone. [09:48] in its current state, me too - but ubuntu's bugzilla is very slow on slow internet connections === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:01] hi [10:10] <\sh> ups: only because of heavy javascript actions in there === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] \sh, not quite - see #2560 [10:12] did someone managed to start serpentine? [10:13] <\sh> ups: where? bugzy or malone? [10:14] bugzilla [10:16] <\sh> ups: but this is what I said...it's slow because of javascript action...this bloody .js file is not nice at all [10:17] actually that .js file is downloaded on every page load - and it can't be cached because of the use of SSL in bugzilla === \sh 's head is still paining from friday [10:30] \sh: hey dude === ajmitch [~ajmitch@port163-214.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:31] ajmitch: gday [10:37] <\sh> hey Unfrgiven === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.151] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.1.233] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:49] Hello, I want to be the maintainer of MediaWiki for Ubuntu. Can anyone guide me through the process? [10:49] GNULinuxer: have you read the MOTU pages on the wiki? [10:49] Treenaks> yes [10:50] GNULinuxer: Didn't we go through this 12 hours or so ago? :) [10:50] so you know how to create packages, etc. [10:50] Amaranth> yes ... but I thought about talking to more people [10:50] :) [10:51] Treenaks> I am a bit new to *Debian* package management ... but I am experienced with GNU/Linux and I am competent [10:52] Treenaks> I am reading the Debian New Mainatiners' Guide [10:52] Treenaks> do I need to create the package before I apply? [10:53] I am at the moment on Hoary ... but the package will be for Breezy, so how do I make sure there are no incompatible changes? [10:53] Do I need to move to Breezy now? === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.57.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:55] anyone? [10:55] GNULinuxer: Do you know how to use a chroot? [10:56] Amaranth> yes [10:56] install breezy in a chroot [10:56] pbuilder chroot = fine [10:56] Amaranth> so I have to install Breezy in a chrooted dir? [10:56] oh, pk [10:56] ok [10:58] so I need to apply after the pacakge is ready? [10:58] yeah [10:59] more or less [10:59] Amaranth> fine [10:59] if you just want to do that one package you don't need to be a MOTU [10:59] just get 3 MOTUs to review it and they upload it [10:59] Amaranth> but do I need to propose the package first? [10:59] then if you have a new version of the package you only need one review [11:00] GNULinuxer: no, not really [11:00] just make sure debian doesn't already have it [11:00] Amaranth> fine [11:00] Amaranth> and what if I want to be a MOTU? [11:00] well, you have to do a bit more for that [11:01] like? [11:01] for one your gpg key needs to be signed by someone in the strong set (this can be a PITA) [11:01] i think it might actually need to be signed by someone who is a debian or ubuntu maintainer [11:01] Amaranth> ohh ... you mean he needs to know me [11:01] or someone they signed and so on [11:01] yeah [11:02] \sh: i needed some help with gmetadom [11:02] \sh: doing a build, it is somehow looking for gcc-3.4 [11:02] and you need to put yourself on the agenda for a community council meeting to becoming a member (after you've made a couple packages) [11:02] Amaranth> I am from India and I suspect if there are any Ubuntu maintainers here [11:02] err, become a member [11:02] Amaranth> i see [11:03] \sh: yet there is no such text in the source files. so i dont know where or why its searching for gcc-3.4 === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:06] GNULinuxer, nope, you only need someone whose key is signed and on the keyservers normaly... [11:06] ogra> anybody? [11:06] GNULinuxer, not anybody.... [11:06] ogra> he doesn't need to be an Ubuntu devel? [11:06] http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?STAT=A2D06936&STATS=statistics [11:07] ogra: it forgot about my key because henkp is clueless about gpg keys [11:07] if you make a trust path check to me with the above url, then _anybody_ who is connected to me _anyhow_ for example [11:08] ogra> my question is, does he need to be a Ubuntu devel? [11:08] ogra: try 3FA5E031 [11:08] GNULinuxer, even if its via several other people [11:08] GNULinuxer, nope, as i said, his key has to be connected _anyhow_ [11:09] ogra> what if he is trusted but disconnected from any ubuntu devel? [11:09] GNULinuxer, even if there are 10 persons between him and me, thats fine [11:09] ogra> you mean he has to be linked to an ubuntu-devel anyhow ... [11:09] GNULinuxer, yes, anyhow.... [11:09] ogra: hm, it works again, nevermind [11:09] ogra> i see [11:09] GNULinuxer, but that doesnt mean he needs to have met a ubuntu devel [11:10] ogra> yeah I realize that [11:10] thats what the web of trust is all about [11:10] ogra> yes [11:10] so if you find someone whose key is on one of the keyservers and signed, its most liekly he is connected... [11:11] ogra> ok [11:11] next you have to become a member [11:11] ogra> how do i become a member? [11:11] which means: [11:12] make a wiki page about you [11:12] and ? [11:12] wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielRobitaille is a good example [11:12] make a substantial contributuion like: [11:12] write a howto wiki page, make some artwork, fix a bug etc [11:13] hi [11:13] ogra> will making a package do? [11:14] after you made these two, you set yourself on the agenda for a community council meeting...the council then decides if your contribution was enough, your wiki page is ok etc... if yes, you get a member === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:14] GNULinuxer, sure, a package would do too, but we are short o maintainers, so it can take a while until it gets reviewed.... === ajmitch is finally finished at uni, as of this morning :) [11:15] GNULinuxer, ask Amaranth ;) he had fun finding people to review smeg ;) === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:15] ogra> and that's only for becoming a MOTU ... for simply submitting a package that won't be required [11:16] ogra: took me 9 hours of annoying everyone who joined the channel :) [11:16] GNULinuxer, thats for becoming a member [11:16] Amaranth, wow [11:16] Amaranth, thats faster then i thought [11:16] GNULinuxer, for becoming a MOTU we have to see some more packaging work of you [11:16] ogra: _everyone_ [11:17] ogra: several times [11:17] which is the next step after becoming member [11:17] Amaranth, i know, i was one of them *g* [11:17] ogra> I got the idea ... thanks [11:18] GNULinuxer, we have no personalized packages in ubuntu, even if people have personal favorites they care about, the most stuff is teamwork here [11:18] ogra> true [11:18] only exception are packages that are nonexistent in debian _and_ ubuntu.... [11:19] <\sh> Unfrgiven: because of ocaml ... it's compiled against 3.4 [11:19] there you get the full responsibility [11:19] ogra> I want to include MediaWiki because it's such an important package ... but it's not pacakged [11:19] ogra> is there any guide to installing Breezy on a chrooted dir? [11:19] GNULinuxer, not in debain either ? [11:20] GNULinuxer, i dont use a chroot, but there might be one [11:20] ogra> no, IMHO [11:20] ogra> will building the package on Hoary suffice? [11:21] GNULinuxer, nope, but building the source package in hoary is fine.... and afterwards building the binary in a breezy pbuilder.... [11:21] http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=mediawiki&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all [11:22] Amaranth> i checked the official repos [11:22] oh, so it will be imported in our next apt-get.org import .... [11:23] GNULinuxer, we regulary import apt-get.org stuff short before release [11:24] ogra> fine then ... i will find some other package which doesn not have an debian/ubuntu package [11:25] GNULinuxer, to tart the journey, try rather to fix existing broken packages, the guys in here can help you, its way easier then starting from scratch [11:25] ogra> how can i get a list of broken pacakges? [11:25] malone will give you a good list of universe package bugs [11:26] launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone === herzi [~herzi@d011190.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:34] GNULinuxer, btw, Duck is in #ubuntu-devel very often recently, ask him if you can help with mediawiki ;) [11:35] \sh: so should i set the build-depends to gcc-3.4? [11:35] ogra> fine ... that's a lot [11:35] ajmitch: congrats on finishing! [11:35] Unfrgiven: thanks :) [11:35] now I've really really got to get some ubuntu stuff done [11:35] or else ;) === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:37] ajmitch: so what now? are you working? where at? what role? [11:38] working, doing php coding, same as I have been doing part-time for the last couple of months [11:38] <\sh> Unfrgiven: g++-3.4 is better [11:38] build-depends on g++-3.4 wouldn't be enough, but also something in debian/rules for setting CC & CXX? === ups [~ups@203.200.160.52] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:39] <\sh> ajmitch: it will help because g++-3.4 will be the default one..(only one on the buildd pbuilder chroot) [11:39] but build-essential ought to pull in 4.0 [11:40] <\sh> ajmitch: the biggest problem is, that ocaml won't compile with gcc/g++-4.X and this bug is already filed at upstream [11:40] \sh: ok will do [11:40] <\sh> Unfrgiven: try it ;) [11:40] \sh: what else of the things that I was down for, have you uploaded? [11:40] \sh: I'm sorry for being away for the last week, with exams :) [11:41] <\sh> ajmitch: no problem :) i just did the packages I removed your name ;) (sorry for that again) [11:41] \sh: you did socketapi, etc? [11:41] <\sh> ajmitch: no [11:41] since that one worked with 3.4, I just didn't get to setting 3.4 in the rules [11:42] <\sh> ajmitch: oh i did socketapi [11:42] oh alright :) [11:42] ajmitch: how exactly does one set 3.4 in rules? [11:43] <\sh> ajmitch: ad it was working with gcc/g++-4 [11:43] \sh: ok, I didn't see a patch for that one iirc? [11:43] Unfrgiven, you set the CC variable [11:43] or CXX [11:44] <\sh> ajmitch: it's in the debdiff...I had to made an adjustment in the configure statements === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:44] it worked with an older g++ 4.0 here, and then an update of g++ from cvs caused it to break [11:44] a simple "export CC=3.4"? [11:44] <\sh> explicitly saying: enable-shared=off and enable-static=off [11:44] Unfrgiven: CC=gcc-3.4 [11:44] Unfrgiven, but if your source already searches for g++-3.4 you can ignore it [11:44] ajmitch: fix the sources, if possible [11:46] <\sh> ajmitch: socketapi was compiled against this [11:46] <\sh> Toolchain package versions: libc6-dev_2.3.5-1ubuntu7 linux-kernel-headers_2.6.11.2-0ubuntu10 gcc-4.0_4.0.0-8ubuntu3 g++-4.0_4.0.0-8ubuntu3 binutils_2.16.1-0ubuntu1 libstdc++6-4.0-dev_4.0.0-8ubuntu3 libstdc++6_4.0.0-8ubuntu3 [11:46] <\sh> but most strange package is hdf5 :( [11:46] \sh: howd u get that info? looks most useful :) [11:46] <\sh> it's compiled on amd64/ia64/i386 but not on ppc === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.151] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:47] <\sh> Unfrgiven: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs [11:47] \sh: oh ok... i was hoping that there was an apt-cache option or something :) [11:48] <\sh> nono..I'm always checking the buildlogs after I see them on http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html [11:49] didn't lamont leave for hp? [11:49] does that mean he isnt allowed to spend his sparetime with us ? [11:49] ;) [11:50] ogra: i thought that implied that he was leaving ubuntu work altogether [11:50] even in his spare time [11:50] why, its his fun ;) [11:50] a pretty stupid assumption on my part now that i think of it :) [11:50] ogra: im a bit slow today :) [11:50] <\sh> lamont is working for HP? so I can think of having a new kernel with working IRDA drivers for my hp/compaq nc6000? [11:51] \sh, ask mjg59, we have to supply a HP notebook kernel, since they ship with ubuntu :) [11:52] <\sh> ogra: yeah :) [11:52] so its very likely that everything will work for you ;) [11:52] ogra, HP ships ubuntu? oficially? [11:52] <\sh> HiddenWolf: no...they're are not allowed...they will ship it with freedos...and put a special ubuntu hp cd with the package [11:52] HiddenWolf, yes, for some selected notebooks, outside of USA.... and not preinstalled [11:53] which is it? :P [11:53] \sh, i doubt it will be a special CD [11:53] <\sh> ogra: at least with hp kernel on it...so it will be special ;) or call it breezy badger [11:53] HiddenWolf, read carefully ;) we both said the same [11:53] "not allowed" by their contract with microsoft? by us anti-encryption laws? [11:54] HiddenWolf, US is not in discussion [11:54] HiddenWolf: Not allowed by MS contracts, afaik [11:54] <\sh> HiddenWolf: "contract with MS" [11:54] only the rst of the world :) [11:54] rest even [11:58] ogra, rest of the world is plenty. :) === HiddenWolf wonders if they'll ship some volume === hsprang [~henning@c146203.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] away work [01:07] bah [01:09] <\sh> back === zul [~chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] <\sh> hmmm...does anybody has problems with Xorg? I don't mean the xkb issues, i mean that you can't type anything anymore [01:40] \sh: I had when I tried 2.6.12, but switching back to 2.6.10 it worked === ogra [~ogra@p5089D057.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === susus_ [~sz@p5089D057.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:40] <\sh> torkel: using kde here [01:41] <\sh> I'm trying gnome just now [01:43] \sh: I meant the kernel :-) === \sh [~shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] goodnight all... === janm [~jm__@202.172.110.75] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hsprang [~henning@c196124.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.2.237] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jamessan|work [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] <\sh> somebody know where danielN is? [02:45] nope [02:46] \sh: I built that package for you the other day. what would you like to see? [02:49] <\sh> jamessan|work, u mean this hdf5? [02:49] yeah [02:49] <\sh> jamessan|work, there should be an error in the end .. some .la file is a wrong .la file or something like this [02:50] I don't recall seeing an error, but the log is up at http://jamessan.com/~jamessan/hdf5.build === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] beware, it's long [02:52] <\sh> jamessan|work, doesn't matter download right now :) [02:52] <\sh> hmmm === Duck_work [~duck@orfeo.duckcorp.org] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:53] coin [02:53] <\sh> jamessan, thx man :) so it can be a buildd error [02:53] GNULinuxer, may i introduce you to Duck (mediawiki packager) [02:54] Hello Duck_work [02:54] coin GNULinuxer [02:54] (unofficial packager at the moment) [02:55] GNULinuxer: i'm Debian member, not a Ubuntu one, but if you need help, i'll try to find some time for it [02:55] <\sh> there is a problem with mediawiki? [02:55] Duck_work> I am interested in becoming an Ubuntu maintainer, member, MOTU ... how should I start? [02:55] <\sh> not with mediawiki ;) [02:55] \sh, why not [02:55] Duck_work> I will be more than happy [02:55] i'd like ot have mediawiki in Debian but have not enough time for full maintainance, i'd like to find someone motivated, possibly with comaintainership [02:56] \sh, if even the upstream packager likes to help :) [02:56] <\sh> ogra, because there is no real structure for webapps right now, and the discussions on debian webapps is really *stupid* [02:56] <\sh> ogra, well, I would like to see a "real solution" for all webapps firwst [02:56] Duck_work> I'll be privileged if you give me the chance [02:56] <\sh> ogra, u don't read my blog, right? ,-) [02:56] \sh, we can pass debian here and have mediawiki in ubreezy... later it can flow into debian [02:56] GNULinuxer: i can do the Debian sponsoring, and you could then focus on Ubuntu part [02:56] <\sh> ogra, this is not the problem [02:57] <\sh> ogra, the package itself is easy [02:57] Duck_work> that would be great [02:57] \sh, nope, but its unlikely thet this gets solved before upstream freeze [02:57] <\sh> ogra, the structure behind it, installation of more then 1 mediawiki per host blabla [02:57] Duck_work> do you know Manoj Srivastav ? [02:57] <\sh> ogra, yepp... [02:57] \sh, yes, but time is short [02:57] :) [02:58] <\sh> ogra, then there should be the most easiest method ever: tar [02:58] \sh: the package is not that easy, and happily the BIG changes in 1.4 are done so that no scripts are needed to unsure correct migration [02:58] \sh, tar is only a base for .deb ;) [02:58] GNULinuxer: not really, everyone in Debian know his name [02:58] <\sh> Duck_work, how do u setup vhosts for mediawiki? specialized php.ini stuff like that for mediawiki? ,-) [02:58] Duck_work> ah [02:59] Duck_work> so how can I start? [02:59] \sh: that's not done, and that's why that is not so easy, but is working and clean 1-host would be a good start [03:00] for the record : "coin" means "quack" in french [03:00] <\sh> Duck_work, so for private machines it's ok (one host) but for ISPs and ASPs (multi-host/vhost) not? [03:00] GNULinuxer: my base pkg is doing the base stuff, and math support seems to work not so bad, see wiki.hurdfr.org [03:01] GNULinuxer: it is already CDBS-ized, of course [03:01] and new pear stuff is packaged too [03:02] GNULinuxer: the fast is php4 and php5 needs to use different deps because of template engine [03:02] fact [03:02] Duck_work> yeah ... that's true [03:02] GNULinuxer: so you could first have a look, understand it, improve what you can, and have a look at thuis issue [03:02] i guess php5 is in Ubuntu, am i right ? [03:03] Duck_work> no [03:03] ho [03:03] Duck_work> it's not there [03:03] Unfrgiven: still working on ubuntu, just not 24x7 like before... [03:03] \sh: how is it solved in other webapps ? [03:03] <\sh> Duck_work, there is no solution for debian right now [03:03] <\sh> Duck_work, the only "known" solution I know is the idea from Gentoo...and even this is really shitty implementation [03:04] GNULinuxer: i don't remember what is missing or to improve, it was wuite fast packaging because HurdFr needed it, so the first task would be to create a todolist i guess [03:04] \sh, ogra: mjg59 has an nc6000, afaik [03:04] <\sh> (but this implementation works in limits) [03:04] \sh: people could use chrooting ;-) [03:04] Duck_work> fine ... [03:04] GNULinuxer: is there a new upstream release ? [03:05] <\sh> Duck_work, and there r other pitfalls to think about [03:05] lamont, is there any laptop mjg59 ha not at his home ? *g* [03:05] Duck_work> 1.4.5 was released on 3rd June [03:05] \sh: i'm not very experimented in webapps packaging, so please give us advice whenever possible [03:05] <\sh> Duck_work, we had this discussion about serendipity weblog system :) [03:05] Duck_work> it's a sec and bugfix release [03:05] weblogs sux [03:06] GNULinuxer: so an easy work for you [03:06] Duck_work> i suppose so [03:06] ogra: I'm sure there are some that have not been graced by his presence yet... but it's getting harder to find such an animal. [03:06] <\sh> Duck_work, http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/32-Packaging-Webapplications.html this was a followup article on Isotopps (Kristian Koehntopp) article about packaging webapplications in debian/suse/redhat [03:06] Duck_work> so what do I do? create a package for Ubuntu? [03:07] hehe [03:07] GNULinuxer: you should package missing PEAR deps first, the one also present in my repo [03:08] GNULinuxer: the problem is i can review your work, but have no Ubuntu box to test [03:08] Duck_work> i see [03:09] GNULinuxer: php4-gettext, php4-types, and php4-html-template-phptal [03:09] GNULinuxer: it is really easy [03:09] GNULinuxer: and probably uploading them directly into Ubuntu should work [03:10] Duck_work> so these aren't in the ubuntu repos already? [03:10] ogra: is there a way to get access to an Ubuntu work box ? === ivoks [~ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:10] GNULinuxer: i don't know, they are not in Debian, that's what i know [03:10] Duck_work, chroot on a spare partition ? [03:10] Duck_work> i see [03:11] ogra: are telling me i should be less lazy ;-) ? [03:11] +you [03:11] somehow, yes *g* [03:17] ogra, triaging on malone isn't quite possible right now? [03:17] can't mark bugs as duplicates [03:17] ups, i havent triged bugs in malone yet... i only closed fixed ones.... [03:17] ups, file a bug about malone then... === mitsuhiko [~mitsuhiko@213.33.95.56] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] ups> hello Uphaar [03:20] hi GNULinuxer [03:21] ups> what happened to MozNet? I have been long out of touch with Robin [03:22] GNULinuxer, no clue, i've been having my own share of problems with my computer, so havent kept in touch much [03:22] GNULinuxer, anyway that is OT here ;) [03:22] ups> yep [03:28] ogra, thx, i'm filing one now === Duck_work [~duck@orfeo.duckcorp.org] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === janm [~jm__@202.172.110.132] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [~bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:36] Good morning [03:37] moin === motaboy [~motaboy@host184-41.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@wall3.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-069-224.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lamont [~lamont@15.238.5.145] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imightbegiant [~imightbeg@ilamp-in-417.TIS.CWRU.Edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax8-086.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] <\sh> ogra, ping [04:37] \sh, pong [04:37] <\sh> ogra, could you please do me a favor and of course a favour to riddell? please review kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts ;) so we can get it into kubuntu/ubuntu? :) and please, don't kill me ;) [04:38] \sh, i'll do... after i can touch my laptop again..... its currently at about 80 degree [04:39] \sh: REVIEW DAY [04:39] <\sh> hahaha... [04:39] <\sh> tseng, review day is everyday :) [04:39] <\sh> i will go home just now, and will take a bunch of to be reviewed packages ;) === Lathiat coughs bzflag [04:40] \sh, have a look at glom btw, dholbach wants it included, its gtkmm [04:40] <\sh> argl [04:40] <\sh> but ok [04:40] <\sh> ogra, do u know a tool for gnome which rotates the desktop background? [04:40] \sh: whiprush has one on his laptop [04:41] <\sh> whiprush, ping === \sh can't watch all the time the same boobs here ;) [04:43] pong [04:43] whiprush: pingles [04:43] herro [04:43] <\sh> whiprush, tseng told me you have a tool for rotating desktop pictures for gnome? [04:43] <\sh> just like a diashow ;) [04:43] like, the wallpaper? [04:43] <\sh> yepp [04:43] oh oh, you mean randomly? [04:44] one moment [04:44] <\sh> yes [04:44] \sh, ah, i thought you want it upside down or something [04:44] like rotate :) [04:44] haha [04:44] to see the boobs from the other side :) [04:44] http://freshmeat.net/projects/wp_tray/ [04:45] metallikop built an ubuntu deb but I don't think he's submitted it yet [04:45] <\sh> ogra, no this would squeez them ;) [04:45] hehe [04:47] <\sh> whiprush, hmmm.... [04:47] <\sh> whiprush, ask him to put it on MOTUNewPackages [04:47] okey [04:47] \sh, there is also a gnome hack.... google for gnoem hacks [04:47] gnome indeed [04:49] <\sh> ogra, yeah...but this is with cron and stuff... [04:49] <\sh> wp_tray looks much more promising for the desktop :) [04:51] <\sh> cu later guys..going home :) === dholbach [foobar@td9091afd.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:15] Does Firefox have it's own Mozilla source or does it just build on top of Mozilla? === ogra [~ogra@p5089D057.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === agile [~mike@cavok2226.august.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0083.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] <\sh> re [05:47] hi [05:47] wb \sh [05:50] hm... can samba log which file has user accesed? [05:53] ivoks, sure [05:53] ogra: i'm all ears :) [05:53] ivoks, there are two related logs in /var/log [05:53] log.smbd [05:53] i forgot which one logs it, but its logged in one of them [05:54] hm... [05:54] ok [06:00] hm.. nice.. VFS modul for samba [06:01] audit VFS module [06:01] samba rocks! :) === mfgalizi [~mfgalizi@CPE000f66e3da54-CM000f9f7770aa.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:08] how can I make a binary diff? [06:08] if you diff the files it just tells you if they differ or not [06:08] generally speaking, you don't. if you're talking in the context of debian packaging, you uuencode/uudecode [06:08] elmo: but how do I get the diff to uuencode? [06:09] Riddell: you want to put a file into a diff.gz? [06:09] tseng: I want to change some icons, so I want a file in debian/patches which does that [06:09] yes [06:10] meeting today? [06:10] i put it in debian/ [06:10] so, i uuencode the image, ut it in debian [06:10] in rules you uudecode it [06:10] and cp it over the stock one [06:10] that's crap though, there has to be a better way [06:10] gets a bit messy [06:11] ivoks: I thought it was tomorrow. [06:11] 20.? [06:11] Riddell, look at my recent tuxmath or tuxtype uploads where i had to add icons [06:11] I can see a file 21_default_background_image.diff.uu which is a uuencoded diff, but I don't know how to get that [06:11] oh, it's about 8 hours from now [06:12] err, wait [06:12] no [06:12] Amaranth: ? [06:12] what ? [06:12] 20 hours [06:12] 4 :) [06:12] 20? [06:12] ivoks, 6 :) [06:12] 22:00 UTC [06:12] lol, i was closer :) [06:12] um [06:12] i tough it's 20:00UTC [06:12] what meeting is that? it isn't listed [06:12] wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting [06:13] jesus! [06:13] i love ubuntu1!!!!! [06:13] so the topic in #ubuntu-meeting is generally worthless? [06:13] it's very nice how gnome clock applet cooperates with evolution's calendar [06:13] Amaranth, i havent set it.... probably dholbach knows why its wrong [06:13] ivoks: since GNOME 2.8 or so, yeah [06:14] Amaranth: yeah.. great stuff [06:14] we should create webdav calendar [06:14] so it could be automaticly synced [06:14] i could do that :) [06:15] Amaranth, it isnt wrong... [06:15] Amaranth, the MOTUMeeting isnt even there [06:15] that's what i mean [06:15] i was using #ubuntu-meeting's topic to find out what meetings were coming up and when, for that it's appearently generally worthless [06:16] 3 or so meeting have happened recently that weren't on there or had the wrong day/time :) [06:19] :) [06:19] ogra: meeting is here? :) [06:20] oh, good to know, i would miss a room at 22:00 and end up searching you all over the building :) [06:22] it's here? [06:22]