[12:25] <dholbach> hi
[12:32] <tseng> hi daniel
[12:33] <dholbach> hey brandon
[12:33] <dholbach> how's it going?
[12:33] <tseng> good thanks
[01:02] <schweeb> omg it's dholbach
[01:03] <dholbach> hey schweeb :)
[01:03] <schweeb> how's things
[01:03] <dholbach> busy :(
[01:03] <schweeb> no sound yet :-/
[01:04] <dholbach> good luck with that
[01:05] <dholbach> i'll be off to bed after i got rid of the mosquitoes/gnats
[01:05] <schweeb> heh
[01:05] <schweeb> my front yard is a pond, I know all about mosquitos
[01:06] <dholbach> and my lazy dog is just watching me happily, while i jump through the room and chase those bastards *GNA*
[01:06] <schweeb> lazy dogs are better than any cat though!
[01:07] <dholbach> at least ogra's cats chase mosquitoes at his place, i was nearly envying him :)
[01:07] <schweeb> heh
[01:09] <dholbach> ok boys... i'm off to bed - sleep tight! :)
[01:10] <schweeb> nite
[03:04] <GNULinuxer> hello, I'd like to package, maintain Mediawiki for Breezy ... what is the procedure to apply?
[03:07] <Amaranth> GNULinuxer: Join #ubuntu-motu
[03:07] <Amaranth> err
[03:07] <Amaranth> nevermind, my tabs are one off
[03:07] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> lol
[03:07] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> what is the procedure?
[03:08] <Amaranth> GNULinuxer: Read the Debian New Maintainer's Guide, make a package, and submit it for review.
[03:08] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> make any package or the one i intend to maintain?
[03:08] <Amaranth> the one you intend to maintain
[03:09] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> and where should I submit it for review?
[03:09] <Amaranth> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages
[03:11] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> thanks
[03:13] <Amaranth> if you have any question ask here
[03:13] <Amaranth> but it would probably be better to ask them tomorrow, it's sunday and this place is pretty much dead :)
[03:14] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> fine
[03:14] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> it's already monday here though!
[03:15] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> what is the difference between a MOTU and a maintainer?
[03:17] <schweeb> MOTUs are maintainers of Universe
[03:17] <schweeb> a full maintainer can upload to main
[09:37] <ups> hi
[09:38] <ups> i cant mark bugs as duplicate in malone
[09:38] <ups> keeps giving " Sorry, a system error occurred" message
[09:39] <robitaille> ups,  has it ever worked?  I know it wasn't possible a while back, but I haven't tried since.
[09:39] <ups> oh
[09:39] <ups> i just started looking at malone
[09:39] <ups> didn't know it was broken forever
[09:42] <ups> any idea where can i file bug on malone?
[09:42] <robitaille> ups,  not broken...actively being worked on with new features being added very regularly.  malone is a very new piece of software
[09:44] <ups> yeah, but since its being used for universe packages, some basic functionality should be there
[09:45] <ups> well found where to file bug on malone
[09:46] <robitaille> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/products/malone/+filebug
[09:46] <robitaille> I just found it as well.  It took a while....  I still prefer bugzilla to malone.
[09:48] <ups> in its current state, me too - but ubuntu's bugzilla is very slow on slow internet connections
[10:01] <ivoks> hi
[10:10] <\sh> ups: only because of heavy javascript actions in there
[10:12] <ups> \sh, not quite - see #2560
[10:12] <ivoks> did someone managed to start serpentine?
[10:13] <\sh> ups: where? bugzy or malone?
[10:14] <ups> bugzilla
[10:16] <\sh> ups: but this is what I said...it's slow because of javascript action...this bloody .js file is not nice at all
[10:17] <ups> actually that .js file is downloaded on every page load - and it can't be cached because of the use of SSL in bugzilla
[10:30] <Unfrgiven> \sh: hey dude
[10:31] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: gday
[10:37] <\sh> hey Unfrgiven
[10:49] <GNULinuxer> Hello, I want to be the maintainer of MediaWiki for Ubuntu. Can anyone guide me through the process?
[10:49] <Treenaks> GNULinuxer: have you read the MOTU pages on the wiki?
[10:49] <GNULinuxer> Treenaks> yes
[10:50] <Amaranth> GNULinuxer: Didn't we go through this 12 hours or so ago? :)
[10:50] <Treenaks> so you know how to create packages, etc.
[10:50] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> yes ... but I thought about talking to more people
[10:50] <GNULinuxer> :)
[10:51] <GNULinuxer> Treenaks> I am a bit new to *Debian* package management ... but I am experienced with GNU/Linux and I am competent
[10:52] <GNULinuxer> Treenaks> I am reading the Debian New Mainatiners' Guide
[10:52] <GNULinuxer> Treenaks> do I need to create the package before I apply?
[10:53] <GNULinuxer> I am at the moment on Hoary ... but the package will be for Breezy,  so how do I make sure there are no incompatible changes?
[10:53] <GNULinuxer> Do I need to move to Breezy now?
[10:55] <GNULinuxer> anyone?
[10:55] <Amaranth> GNULinuxer: Do you know how to use a chroot?
[10:56] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> yes
[10:56] <Amaranth> install breezy in a chroot
[10:56] <Treenaks> pbuilder chroot = fine
[10:56] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> so I have to install Breezy in a chrooted dir?
[10:56] <GNULinuxer> oh, pk
[10:56] <GNULinuxer> ok
[10:58] <GNULinuxer> so I need to apply after the pacakge is ready?
[10:58] <Amaranth> yeah
[10:59] <Amaranth> more or less
[10:59] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> fine
[10:59] <Amaranth> if you just want to do that one package you don't need to be a MOTU
[10:59] <Amaranth> just get 3 MOTUs to review it and they upload it
[10:59] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> but do I need to propose the package first?
[10:59] <Amaranth> then if you have a new version of the package you only need one review
[11:00] <Amaranth> GNULinuxer: no, not really
[11:00] <Amaranth> just make sure debian doesn't already have it
[11:00] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> fine
[11:00] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> and what if I want to be a MOTU?
[11:00] <Amaranth> well, you have to do a bit more for that
[11:01] <GNULinuxer> like?
[11:01] <Amaranth> for one your gpg key needs to be signed by someone in the strong set (this can be a PITA)
[11:01] <Amaranth> i think it might actually need to be signed by someone who is a debian or ubuntu maintainer
[11:01] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> ohh ... you mean he needs to know me
[11:01] <Amaranth> or someone they signed and so on
[11:01] <Amaranth> yeah
[11:02] <Unfrgiven> \sh: i needed some help with gmetadom
[11:02] <Unfrgiven> \sh: doing a build, it is somehow looking for gcc-3.4
[11:02] <Amaranth> and you need to put yourself on the agenda for a community council meeting to becoming a member (after you've made a couple packages)
[11:02] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> I am from India and I suspect if there are any Ubuntu maintainers here
[11:02] <Amaranth> err, become a member
[11:02] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> i see
[11:03] <Unfrgiven> \sh: yet there is no such text in the source files. so i dont know where or why its searching for gcc-3.4
[11:06] <ogra> GNULinuxer, nope, you only need someone whose key is signed and on the keyservers normaly...
[11:06] <GNULinuxer> ogra> anybody?
[11:06] <ogra> GNULinuxer, not anybody....
[11:06] <GNULinuxer> ogra> he doesn't need to be an Ubuntu devel?
[11:06] <ogra> http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/mk_path.cgi?STAT=A2D06936&STATS=statistics
[11:07] <Treenaks> ogra: it forgot about my key because henkp is clueless about gpg keys
[11:07] <ogra> if you make a trust path check to me with the above url, then _anybody_ who is connected to me _anyhow_ for example
[11:08] <GNULinuxer> ogra> my question is, does he need to be a Ubuntu devel?
[11:08] <Treenaks> ogra: try 3FA5E031
[11:08] <ogra> GNULinuxer, even if its via several other people
[11:08] <ogra> GNULinuxer, nope, as i said, his key has to be connected _anyhow_
[11:09] <GNULinuxer> ogra> what if he is trusted but disconnected from any ubuntu devel?
[11:09] <ogra> GNULinuxer, even if there are 10 persons between him and me, thats fine
[11:09] <GNULinuxer> ogra> you mean he has to be linked to an ubuntu-devel anyhow ...
[11:09] <ogra> GNULinuxer, yes, anyhow....
[11:09] <Treenaks> ogra: hm, it works again, nevermind
[11:09] <GNULinuxer> ogra> i see
[11:09] <ogra> GNULinuxer, but that doesnt mean he needs to have met a ubuntu devel
[11:10] <GNULinuxer> ogra> yeah I realize that
[11:10] <ogra> thats what the web of trust is all about
[11:10] <GNULinuxer> ogra> yes
[11:10] <ogra> so if you find someone whose key is on one of the keyservers and signed, its most liekly he is connected...
[11:11] <GNULinuxer> ogra> ok
[11:11] <ogra> next you have to become a member
[11:11] <GNULinuxer> ogra> how do i become a member?
[11:11] <ogra> which means:
[11:12] <ogra> make a wiki page about you
[11:12] <GNULinuxer> and ?
[11:12] <ogra> wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielRobitaille is a good example
[11:12] <ogra> make a substantial contributuion like:
[11:12] <ogra> write a howto wiki page, make some artwork, fix a bug etc
[11:13] <ajmitch> hi
[11:13] <GNULinuxer> ogra> will making a package do?
[11:14] <ogra> after you made these two, you set yourself on the agenda for a community council meeting...the council then decides if your contribution was enough, your wiki page is ok etc... if yes, you get a member
[11:14] <ogra> GNULinuxer, sure, a package would do too, but we are short o maintainers, so it can take a while until it gets reviewed....
[11:15] <ogra> GNULinuxer, ask Amaranth ;) he had fun finding people to review smeg ;)
[11:15] <GNULinuxer> ogra> and that's only for becoming a MOTU ... for simply submitting a package that won't be required
[11:16] <Amaranth> ogra: took me 9 hours of annoying everyone who joined the channel :)
[11:16] <ogra> GNULinuxer, thats for becoming a member
[11:16] <ogra> Amaranth, wow
[11:16] <ogra> Amaranth, thats faster then i thought
[11:16] <ogra> GNULinuxer, for becoming a MOTU we have to see some more packaging work of you
[11:16] <Amaranth> ogra: _everyone_
[11:17] <Amaranth> ogra: several times
[11:17] <ogra> which is the next step after becoming member
[11:17] <ogra> Amaranth, i know, i was one of them *g*
[11:17] <GNULinuxer> ogra> I got the idea ... thanks
[11:18] <ogra> GNULinuxer, we have no personalized packages in ubuntu, even if people have personal favorites they care about, the most stuff is teamwork here
[11:18] <GNULinuxer> ogra> true
[11:18] <ogra> only exception are packages that are nonexistent in debian _and_ ubuntu....
[11:19] <\sh> Unfrgiven: because of ocaml ... it's compiled against 3.4
[11:19] <ogra> there you get the full responsibility
[11:19] <GNULinuxer> ogra> I want to include MediaWiki because it's such an important package ... but it's not pacakged
[11:19] <GNULinuxer> ogra> is there any guide to installing Breezy on a chrooted dir?
[11:19] <ogra> GNULinuxer, not in debain either ?
[11:20] <ogra> GNULinuxer, i dont use a chroot, but there might be one
[11:20] <GNULinuxer> ogra> no, IMHO
[11:20] <GNULinuxer> ogra> will building the package on Hoary suffice?
[11:21] <ogra> GNULinuxer, nope, but building the source package in hoary is fine.... and afterwards building the binary in a breezy pbuilder....
[11:21] <Amaranth> http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=mediawiki&submit=&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all
[11:22] <GNULinuxer> Amaranth> i checked the official repos
[11:22] <ogra> oh, so it will be imported in our next apt-get.org import ....
[11:23] <ogra> GNULinuxer, we regulary import apt-get.org stuff short before release
[11:24] <GNULinuxer> ogra> fine then ... i will find some other package which doesn not have an debian/ubuntu package
[11:25] <ogra> GNULinuxer, to tart the journey, try rather to fix existing broken packages, the guys in here can help you, its way easier then starting from scratch
[11:25] <GNULinuxer> ogra> how can i get a list of broken pacakges?
[11:25] <ogra> malone will give you a good list of universe package bugs
[11:26] <ogra> launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone
[11:34] <ogra> GNULinuxer, btw, Duck is in #ubuntu-devel very often recently, ask him if you can help with mediawiki ;)
[11:35] <Unfrgiven> \sh: so should i set the build-depends to gcc-3.4?
[11:35] <GNULinuxer> ogra> fine ... that's a lot
[11:35] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: congrats on finishing!
[11:35] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: thanks :)
[11:35] <ajmitch> now I've really really got to get some ubuntu stuff done
[11:35] <ajmitch> or else ;)
[11:37] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: so what now? are you working? where at? what role?
[11:38] <ajmitch> working, doing php coding, same as I have been doing part-time for the last couple of months
[11:38] <\sh> Unfrgiven: g++-3.4 is better
[11:38] <ajmitch> build-depends on g++-3.4 wouldn't be enough, but also something in debian/rules for setting CC & CXX?
[11:39] <\sh> ajmitch: it will help because g++-3.4 will be the default one..(only one on the buildd pbuilder chroot)
[11:39] <ajmitch> but build-essential ought to pull in 4.0
[11:40] <\sh> ajmitch: the biggest problem is, that ocaml won't compile with gcc/g++-4.X and this bug is already filed at upstream
[11:40] <Unfrgiven> \sh: ok will do
[11:40] <\sh> Unfrgiven: try it ;)
[11:40] <ajmitch> \sh: what else of the things that I was down for, have you uploaded?
[11:40] <ajmitch> \sh: I'm sorry for being away for the last week, with exams :)
[11:41] <\sh> ajmitch: no problem :) i just did the packages I removed your name ;) (sorry for that again)
[11:41] <ajmitch> \sh: you did socketapi, etc?
[11:41] <\sh> ajmitch: no
[11:41] <ajmitch> since that one worked with 3.4, I just didn't get to setting 3.4 in the rules
[11:42] <\sh> ajmitch: oh i did socketapi
[11:42] <ajmitch> oh alright :)
[11:42] <Unfrgiven> ajmitch: how exactly does one set 3.4 in rules?
[11:43] <\sh> ajmitch: ad it  was working with gcc/g++-4
[11:43] <ajmitch> \sh: ok, I didn't see a patch for that one iirc?
[11:43] <ogra> Unfrgiven, you set the CC variable
[11:43] <ogra> or CXX
[11:44] <\sh> ajmitch: it's in the debdiff...I had to made an adjustment  in the configure statements
[11:44] <ajmitch> it worked with an older g++ 4.0 here, and then an update of g++ from cvs caused it to break
[11:44] <Unfrgiven> a simple "export CC=3.4"?
[11:44] <\sh> explicitly saying: enable-shared=off and enable-static=off
[11:44] <ajmitch> Unfrgiven: CC=gcc-3.4
[11:44] <ogra> Unfrgiven, but if your source already searches for g++-3.4 you can ignore it
[11:44] <doko> ajmitch: fix the sources, if possible
[11:46] <\sh> ajmitch: socketapi was compiled against this
[11:46] <\sh> Toolchain package versions: libc6-dev_2.3.5-1ubuntu7 linux-kernel-headers_2.6.11.2-0ubuntu10 gcc-4.0_4.0.0-8ubuntu3 g++-4.0_4.0.0-8ubuntu3 binutils_2.16.1-0ubuntu1 libstdc++6-4.0-dev_4.0.0-8ubuntu3 libstdc++6_4.0.0-8ubuntu3
[11:46] <\sh> but most strange package is hdf5 :(
[11:46] <Unfrgiven> \sh: howd u get that info? looks most useful :)
[11:46] <\sh> it's compiled on amd64/ia64/i386 but not on ppc
[11:47] <\sh> Unfrgiven: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs
[11:47] <Unfrgiven> \sh: oh ok... i was hoping that there was an apt-cache option or something :)
[11:48] <\sh> nono..I'm always checking the buildlogs after I see them on http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html
[11:49] <Unfrgiven> didn't lamont leave for hp?
[11:49] <ogra> does that mean he isnt allowed to spend his sparetime with us ?
[11:49] <ogra> ;)
[11:50] <Unfrgiven> ogra: i thought that implied that he was leaving ubuntu work altogether
[11:50] <Unfrgiven> even in his spare time
[11:50] <ogra> why, its his fun ;)
[11:50] <Unfrgiven> a pretty stupid assumption on my part now that i think of it :)
[11:50] <Unfrgiven> ogra: im a bit slow today :)
[11:50] <\sh> lamont is working for HP? so I can think of having a new kernel with working IRDA drivers for my hp/compaq nc6000?
[11:51] <ogra> \sh, ask mjg59, we have to supply a HP notebook kernel, since they ship with ubuntu :)
[11:52] <\sh> ogra: yeah :)
[11:52] <ogra> so its very likely that everything will work for you ;)
[11:52] <HiddenWolf> ogra, HP ships ubuntu? oficially?
[11:52] <\sh> HiddenWolf: no...they're are not allowed...they will ship it with freedos...and put a special ubuntu hp cd with the package
[11:52] <ogra> HiddenWolf, yes, for some selected notebooks, outside of USA.... and not preinstalled
[11:53] <HiddenWolf> which is it? :P
[11:53] <ogra> \sh, i doubt it will be a special CD
[11:53] <\sh> ogra: at least with hp kernel on it...so it will be special ;) or call it breezy badger
[11:53] <ogra> HiddenWolf, read carefully ;) we both said the same
[11:53] <HiddenWolf> "not allowed"  by their contract with microsoft? by us anti-encryption laws?
[11:54] <ogra> HiddenWolf, US is not in discussion
[11:54] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: Not allowed by MS contracts, afaik
[11:54] <\sh> HiddenWolf: "contract with MS"
[11:54] <ogra> only the rst of the world :)
[11:54] <ogra> rest even
[11:58] <HiddenWolf> ogra, rest of the world is plenty. :)
[01:07] <jamessan> away work
[01:07] <jamessan> bah
[01:09] <\sh> back
[01:38] <\sh> hmmm...does anybody has problems with Xorg? I don't mean the xkb issues, i mean that you can't type anything anymore
[01:40] <torkel> \sh: I had when I tried 2.6.12, but switching back to 2.6.10 it worked
[01:40] <\sh> torkel: using kde here
[01:41] <\sh> I'm trying gnome just now
[01:43] <torkel> \sh: I meant the kernel :-)
[01:48] <Unfrgiven> goodnight all...
[02:45] <\sh> somebody know where danielN is?
[02:45] <ivoks> nope
[02:46] <jamessan|work> \sh: I built that package for you the other day.  what would you like to see?
[02:49] <\sh> jamessan|work, u mean this hdf5?
[02:49] <jamessan|work> yeah
[02:49] <\sh> jamessan|work, there should be an error in the end .. some .la file is a wrong .la file or something like this
[02:50] <jamessan|work> I don't recall seeing an error, but the log is up at http://jamessan.com/~jamessan/hdf5.build
[02:51] <jamessan|work> beware, it's long
[02:52] <\sh> jamessan|work, doesn't matter download right now :)
[02:52] <\sh> hmmm
[02:53] <Duck_work> coin
[02:53] <\sh> jamessan, thx man :) so it can be a buildd error
[02:53] <ogra> GNULinuxer, may i introduce you to Duck (mediawiki packager)
[02:54] <GNULinuxer> Hello Duck_work
[02:54] <Duck_work> coin GNULinuxer
[02:54] <Duck_work> (unofficial packager at the moment)
[02:55] <Duck_work> GNULinuxer: i'm Debian member, not a Ubuntu one, but if you need help, i'll try to find some time for it
[02:55] <\sh> there is a problem with mediawiki?
[02:55] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> I am interested in becoming an Ubuntu maintainer, member, MOTU ... how should I start?
[02:55] <\sh> not with mediawiki ;)
[02:55] <ogra> \sh, why not
[02:55] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> I will be more than happy
[02:55] <Duck_work> i'd like ot have mediawiki in Debian but have not enough time for full maintainance, i'd like to find someone motivated, possibly with comaintainership
[02:56] <ogra> \sh, if even the upstream packager likes to help :)
[02:56] <\sh> ogra, because there is no real structure for webapps right now, and the discussions on debian webapps is really *stupid*
[02:56] <\sh> ogra, well, I would like to see a "real solution" for all webapps firwst
[02:56] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> I'll be privileged if you give me the chance
[02:56] <\sh> ogra, u don't read my blog, right? ,-)
[02:56] <ogra> \sh, we can pass debian here and have mediawiki in ubreezy... later it can flow into debian
[02:56] <Duck_work> GNULinuxer: i can do the Debian sponsoring, and you could then focus on Ubuntu part
[02:56] <\sh> ogra, this is not the problem
[02:57] <\sh> ogra, the package itself is easy
[02:57] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> that would be great
[02:57] <ogra> \sh, nope, but its unlikely thet this gets solved before upstream freeze
[02:57] <\sh> ogra, the structure behind it, installation of more then 1 mediawiki per host blabla
[02:57] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> do you know Manoj Srivastav ?
[02:57] <\sh> ogra, yepp...
[02:57] <ogra> \sh, yes, but time is short
[02:57] <ogra> :)
[02:58] <\sh> ogra, then there should be the most easiest method ever: tar
[02:58] <Duck_work> \sh: the package is not that easy, and happily the BIG changes in 1.4 are done so that no scripts are needed to unsure correct migration
[02:58] <ogra> \sh, tar is only a base for .deb ;)
[02:58] <Duck_work> GNULinuxer: not really, everyone in Debian know his name
[02:58] <\sh> Duck_work, how do u setup vhosts for mediawiki? specialized php.ini stuff like that for mediawiki? ,-)
[02:58] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> ah
[02:59] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> so how can I start?
[02:59] <Duck_work> \sh: that's not done, and that's why that is not so easy, but is working and clean 1-host would be a good start
[03:00] <Duck_work> for the record : "coin" means "quack" in french
[03:00] <\sh> Duck_work, so for private machines it's  ok (one host) but for ISPs and ASPs (multi-host/vhost) not?
[03:00] <Duck_work> GNULinuxer: my base pkg is doing the base stuff, and math support seems to work not so bad, see wiki.hurdfr.org
[03:01] <Duck_work> GNULinuxer: it is already CDBS-ized, of course
[03:01] <Duck_work> and new pear stuff is packaged too
[03:02] <Duck_work> GNULinuxer: the fast is php4 and php5 needs to use different deps because of template engine
[03:02] <Duck_work> fact
[03:02] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> yeah ... that's true
[03:02] <Duck_work> GNULinuxer: so you could first have a look, understand it, improve what you can, and have a look at thuis issue
[03:02] <Duck_work> i guess php5 is in Ubuntu, am i right ?
[03:03] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> no
[03:03] <Duck_work> ho
[03:03] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> it's not there
[03:03] <lamont> Unfrgiven: still working on ubuntu, just not 24x7 like before...
[03:03] <Duck_work> \sh: how is it solved in other webapps ?
[03:03] <\sh> Duck_work, there is no solution for debian right now
[03:03] <\sh> Duck_work, the only "known" solution I know is the idea from Gentoo...and even this is really shitty implementation
[03:04] <Duck_work> GNULinuxer: i don't remember what is missing or to improve, it was wuite fast packaging because HurdFr needed it, so the first task would be to create a todolist i guess
[03:04] <lamont> \sh, ogra: mjg59 has an nc6000, afaik
[03:04] <\sh> (but this implementation works in limits)
[03:04] <Duck_work> \sh: people could use chrooting ;-)
[03:04] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> fine ...
[03:04] <Duck_work> GNULinuxer: is there a new upstream release ?
[03:05] <\sh> Duck_work, and there r other pitfalls to think about
[03:05] <ogra> lamont, is there any laptop mjg59 ha not at his home ? *g*
[03:05] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> 1.4.5 was released on 3rd June
[03:05] <Duck_work> \sh: i'm not very experimented in webapps packaging, so please give us advice whenever possible
[03:05] <\sh> Duck_work, we had this discussion about serendipity weblog system :)
[03:05] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> it's a sec and bugfix release
[03:05] <Duck_work> weblogs sux
[03:06] <Duck_work> GNULinuxer: so an easy work for you
[03:06] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> i suppose so
[03:06] <lamont> ogra: I'm sure there are some that have not been graced by his presence yet... but it's getting harder to find such an animal.
[03:06] <\sh> Duck_work, http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/32-Packaging-Webapplications.html this was a followup article on Isotopps (Kristian Koehntopp) article about packaging webapplications in debian/suse/redhat
[03:06] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> so what do I do? create a package for Ubuntu?
[03:07] <ogra> hehe
[03:07] <Duck_work> GNULinuxer: you should package missing PEAR deps first, the one also present in my repo
[03:08] <Duck_work> GNULinuxer: the problem is i can review your work, but have no Ubuntu box to test
[03:08] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> i see
[03:09] <Duck_work> GNULinuxer: php4-gettext, php4-types, and php4-html-template-phptal
[03:09] <Duck_work> GNULinuxer: it is really easy
[03:09] <Duck_work> GNULinuxer: and probably uploading them directly into Ubuntu should work
[03:10] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> so these aren't in the ubuntu repos already?
[03:10] <Duck_work> ogra: is there a way to get access to an Ubuntu work box ?
[03:10] <Duck_work> GNULinuxer: i don't know, they are not in Debian, that's what i know
[03:10] <ogra> Duck_work, chroot on a spare partition ?
[03:10] <GNULinuxer> Duck_work> i see
[03:11] <Duck_work> ogra: are telling me i should be less lazy ;-) ?
[03:11] <Duck_work> +you
[03:11] <ogra> somehow, yes *g*
[03:17] <ups> ogra, triaging on malone isn't quite possible right now?
[03:17] <ups> can't mark bugs as duplicates
[03:17] <ogra> ups, i havent triged bugs in malone yet... i only closed fixed ones....
[03:17] <ogra> ups, file a bug about malone then...
[03:19] <GNULinuxer> ups> hello Uphaar
[03:20] <ups> hi GNULinuxer
[03:21] <GNULinuxer> ups> what happened to MozNet? I have been long out of touch with Robin
[03:22] <ups> GNULinuxer, no clue, i've been having my own share of problems with my computer, so havent kept in touch much
[03:22] <ups> GNULinuxer, anyway that is OT here ;)
[03:22] <GNULinuxer> ups> yep
[03:28] <ups> ogra, thx, i'm filing one now
[03:36] <bddebian> Good morning
[03:37] <mitsuhiko> moin
[04:36] <\sh> ogra, ping
[04:37] <ogra> \sh, pong
[04:37] <\sh> ogra, could you please do me a favor and of course a favour to riddell? please review kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts ;) so we can get it into kubuntu/ubuntu? :) and please, don't kill me ;)
[04:38] <ogra> \sh, i'll do... after i can touch my laptop again..... its currently at about 80 degree
[04:39] <tseng> \sh: REVIEW DAY
[04:39] <\sh> hahaha...
[04:39] <\sh> tseng, review day is everyday :)
[04:39] <\sh> i will go home just now, and will take a bunch of to be reviewed packages ;)
[04:40] <ogra> \sh, have a look at glom btw, dholbach wants it included, its gtkmm
[04:40] <\sh> argl
[04:40] <\sh> but ok
[04:40] <\sh> ogra, do u know a tool for gnome which rotates the desktop background?
[04:40] <tseng> \sh: whiprush has one on his laptop
[04:41] <\sh> whiprush, ping
[04:43] <whiprush> pong
[04:43] <tseng> whiprush: pingles
[04:43] <whiprush> herro
[04:43] <\sh> whiprush, tseng told me you have a tool for rotating desktop pictures for gnome?
[04:43] <\sh> just like a diashow ;)
[04:43] <whiprush> like, the wallpaper?
[04:43] <\sh> yepp
[04:43] <whiprush> oh oh, you mean randomly?
[04:44] <whiprush> one moment
[04:44] <\sh> yes
[04:44] <ogra> \sh, ah, i thought you want it upside down or something
[04:44] <ogra> like rotate :)
[04:44] <tseng> haha
[04:44] <ogra> to see the boobs from the other side :)
[04:44] <whiprush> http://freshmeat.net/projects/wp_tray/
[04:45] <whiprush> metallikop built an ubuntu deb but I don't think he's submitted it yet
[04:45] <\sh> ogra, no this would squeez them ;)
[04:45] <ogra> hehe
[04:47] <\sh> whiprush, hmmm....
[04:47] <\sh> whiprush, ask him to put it on MOTUNewPackages
[04:47] <whiprush> okey
[04:47] <ogra> \sh, there is also a gnome hack.... google for gnoem hacks
[04:47] <ogra> gnome indeed
[04:49] <\sh> ogra, yeah...but this is with cron and stuff...
[04:49] <\sh> wp_tray looks much more promising for the desktop :)
[04:51] <\sh> cu later guys..going home :)
[05:15] <bddebian> Does Firefox have it's own Mozilla source or does it just build on top of Mozilla?
[05:47] <\sh> re
[05:47] <ivoks> hi
[05:47] <bddebian> wb \sh
[05:50] <ivoks> hm... can samba log which file has user accesed?
[05:53] <ogra> ivoks, sure
[05:53] <ivoks> ogra: i'm all ears :)
[05:53] <ogra> ivoks, there are two related logs in /var/log
[05:53] <ivoks> log.smbd
[05:53] <ogra> i forgot which one logs it, but its logged in one of them
[05:54] <ivoks> hm...
[05:54] <ivoks> ok
[06:00] <ivoks> hm.. nice.. VFS modul for samba
[06:01] <ivoks> audit VFS module
[06:01] <ivoks> samba rocks! :)
[06:08] <Riddell> how can I make a binary diff?
[06:08] <tseng> if you diff the files it just tells you if they differ or not
[06:08] <elmo> generally speaking, you don't.  if you're talking in the context of debian packaging, you uuencode/uudecode
[06:08] <Riddell> elmo: but how do I get the diff to uuencode?
[06:09] <tseng> Riddell: you want to put a file into a diff.gz?
[06:09] <Riddell> tseng: I want to change some icons, so I want a file in debian/patches which does that
[06:09] <tseng> yes
[06:10] <ivoks> meeting today?
[06:10] <tseng> i put it in debian/
[06:10] <tseng> so, i uuencode the image, ut it in debian
[06:10] <tseng> in rules you uudecode it
[06:10] <tseng> and cp it over the stock one
[06:10] <Amaranth> that's crap though, there has to be a better way
[06:10] <Riddell> gets a bit messy
[06:11] <Amaranth> ivoks: I thought it was tomorrow.
[06:11] <ivoks> 20.?
[06:11] <ogra> Riddell, look at my recent tuxmath or tuxtype uploads where i had to add icons
[06:11] <Riddell> I can see a file 21_default_background_image.diff.uu which is a uuencoded diff, but I don't know how to get that
[06:11] <Amaranth> oh, it's about 8 hours from now
[06:12] <Amaranth> err, wait
[06:12] <Amaranth> no
[06:12] <ivoks> Amaranth: ?
[06:12] <ogra> what ?
[06:12] <Amaranth> 20 hours
[06:12] <ivoks> 4 :)
[06:12] <ivoks> 20?
[06:12] <ogra> ivoks, 6 :)
[06:12] <ogra> 22:00 UTC
[06:12] <ivoks> lol, i was closer :)
[06:12] <Amaranth> um
[06:12] <ivoks> i tough it's 20:00UTC
[06:12] <Amaranth> what meeting is that? it isn't listed
[06:12] <ogra> wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUMeeting
[06:13] <ivoks> jesus!
[06:13] <ivoks> i love ubuntu1!!!!!
[06:13] <Amaranth> so the topic in #ubuntu-meeting is generally worthless?
[06:13] <ivoks> it's very nice how gnome clock applet cooperates with evolution's calendar
[06:13] <ogra> Amaranth, i havent set it.... probably dholbach knows why its wrong
[06:13] <Amaranth> ivoks: since GNOME 2.8 or so, yeah
[06:14] <ivoks> Amaranth: yeah.. great stuff
[06:14] <ivoks> we should create webdav calendar
[06:14] <ivoks> so it could be automaticly synced
[06:14] <ivoks> i could do that :)
[06:15] <ogra> Amaranth, it isnt wrong...
[06:15] <ogra> Amaranth, the MOTUMeeting isnt even there
[06:15] <Amaranth> that's what i mean
[06:15] <Amaranth> i was using #ubuntu-meeting's topic to find out what meetings were coming up and when, for that it's appearently generally worthless
[06:16] <Amaranth> 3 or so meeting have happened recently that weren't on there or had the wrong day/time :)
[06:19] <ivoks> :)
[06:19] <ivoks> ogra: meeting is here? :)
[06:20] <ivoks> oh, good to know, i would miss a room at 22:00 and end up searching you all over the building :)
[06:22] <Amaranth> it's here?
[06:22] <Amaranth> err
[06:23] <ogra> nope
[06:23] <ogra> #ubuntu-meeting, as all meetings are
[06:24] <ivoks> hm, ok
[06:24] <\sh> ah today is motu meeting..I just lost my timeschedule
[06:25] <dholbach> ogra, Amaranth: it's been a while since i've been in #ubuntu-meeting
[06:25] <ogra> \sh, we are all lost without dholbach here
[06:30] <dholbach> as i am in my thesis ;)
[06:30] <dholbach> so we share the pain
[06:31] <\sh> ogra, why?
[06:31] <ogra> \sh, because he cares for all our calendars
[06:32] <ogra> \sh, ...and cares to remind everyone
[06:32] <\sh> ogra, hmmm...dholbach: the work of a manager is to delegate work ,-)
[06:32] <\sh> and NO i don't have a clue ;)
[06:33] <ogra> \sh, only if you have someone to take the blame.... and nobody rocks the casbah as hard as daniel wrt calendars, lists, reminders etc
[06:34] <mfgalizi> I would like a package added to Ubuntu.  I'm trying to go through that Motu page and for the life of me, I cannot figure out howto submit it (I feel like a fool).  Can someone please enlighten me or point me to a doc explaining how to do so?  TIA
[06:34] <\sh> ogra, so, dholbach is our manager ;) he has to take the blame, even when you made the mistake ;) see helmut  ;-)
[06:34] <dholbach> ogra: the only thing that looks pretty atm is the calendar/plan for my thesis :)
[06:35] <\sh> grmpf...what was the moinmoin markup for sourcecode?
[06:35] <dholbach> mfgalizi: you have to add it to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages
[06:35] <Nafallo> we should have a meeting calendar to import into evo :-)
[06:35] <\sh> Nafallo, the CAL format is working :)
[06:35] <dholbach> Nafallo: we do
[06:35] <ivoks> :)
[06:35] <ogra> mfgalizi, if it already exists as debian package, put it on UniverseCandidates
[06:35] <dholbach> Nafallo: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar
[06:35] <\sh> http://www3.telus.net/robitaille/ubuntu.ics
[06:36] <ivoks> ics don't update automaticlly, right?
[06:36] <ogra> mfgalizi, err s/already/not yet/
[06:36] <dholbach> mfgalizi: oh sorry, i misread
[06:36] <dholbach> mfgalizi: ogra is right
[06:36] <dholbach> ivoks: unfortunately not
[06:37] <ivoks> hm...
[06:37] <ivoks> we should create something that does
[06:37] <dholbach> subscribing to the calendar page is goood :)
[06:37] <ivoks> based on ics
[06:37] <ogra> dholbach, from evolution ?
[06:37] <mfgalizi> it does not (requires xorg).  This is why I'm feeling foolish.  I dont understand how I add the package?  Edit the page?
[06:38] <dholbach> ogra: no, the wikipage
[06:38] <ogra> dholbach, meh
[06:38] <ivoks> lol
[06:38] <ivoks> my evolution crashes when i try to create calendar on web
[06:39] <ogra> mfgalizi, just edit the UniverseCandidates page and add t as a table entry
[06:39] <ogra> it even
[06:39] <mfgalizi> OK, which requires me to log in.  Cannot create an account (again, feeling so silly, appologize for these questions)
[06:40] <ogra> mfgalizi, we have it as breezy goal to make adding programs easier...
[06:40] <Nafallo> yay! it has meetings. I should update darkelf when ogra's xorg hits the archive.
[06:40] <dholbach> mfgalizi: dont you have an account on the ubuntu pages yet?
[06:41] <Nafallo> aha!
[06:41] <Nafallo> the meeting starts at midnight tomorrow and I had to scroll
[06:42] <ivoks> :)
[06:42] <\sh> I'm feeling hot
[06:42] <\sh> (but not horny)
[06:42] <ivoks> community meeting at 12:00 UTC?
[06:43] <mfgalizi> nope; but I'll start there
[06:43] <\sh> yepp
[06:43] <Amaranth> \sh: You're not, don't worry.
[06:43] <ivoks> that's strange, it's usually at middnight :)
[06:43] <ivoks> omg
[06:43] <ivoks> i don't see terminal window
[06:43] <ivoks> lol
[06:44] <dholbach> i'll be back later
[06:44] <dholbach> see you
[06:44] <Nafallo> dholbach: see you :-)
[06:44] <Nafallo> (@midnight or so) :-)
[06:44] <dholbach> yeah
[06:44] <\sh> mhmm
[06:45] <\sh> ogra, do u think it's a good idea to file "review bugs" in malone?
[06:45] <ogra> \sh, nope
[06:45] <ivoks> hm... very strange
[06:45] <ivoks> bug like no bug ever :)
[06:45] <ogra> \sh, lets rather ahswsle elmo a bit to get a RT for MOTU
[06:46] <ogra> hassle even
[06:46] <ivoks> i saw my windows in taskbar, but non on desktop
[06:46] <ivoks> no, they weren't minimised :)
[06:46] <Nafallo> ogra: I start wondering if I really wan
[06:46] <Nafallo> ogra: I start wondering if I really want to use your X-fix ;-)
[06:46] <ogra> wan ?
[06:46] <Nafallo> ogra: girlfriends keyboard :-P.
[06:46] <ogra> heh, it probably enables you to type whole sentences ;)
[06:47] <ivoks> enter and ' are too close :)
[06:47] <ogra> :)
[06:47] <Nafallo> ivoks: indeed ;-)
[06:47] <Amaranth> Nafallo: what X-fix?
[06:47] <ivoks> well... time to check my books again :(
[06:48] <Nafallo> Amaranth: xkb
[06:48] <ivoks> exam is in 3 days :(
[06:48] <Amaranth> Nafallo: There is a fix?
[06:48] <ivoks> see you at midnight ;)
[06:48] <Nafallo> Amaranth: i.e. xorg -31, still building.
[06:48] <Nafallo> ivoks: see you :-)
[06:48] <Amaranth> Nafallo: Last I heard you had to revert a revert of a patch.
[06:48] <Amaranth> Nafallo: ah
[06:54] <\sh> hmm
[06:54] <\sh> we have to setup gnome and kde to use at least the same mountpoints for usbdevices
[06:54] <mfgalizi> If I have already made packages for something I want added, can I mention that anywhere on the universe candidates (will it even make a difference)
[06:55] <\sh> mfgalizi, u checked if there's an ITP at bugs.debian.org/wnpp?
[06:56] <ogra> \sh, shouldnt that be handled underneath ?
[06:56] <siretart> re
[06:56] <siretart> RT for MOTU! seconded! :)
[06:56] <mfgalizi> \sh, it is not mentioned there.
[06:58] <\sh> ogra, well, for me, it should be checked already, and the maintainer (or to be maintainer) should be informed, that we want it in ubuntu universe..so he can work as well on ubuntu packages...and it's easier for us to recruite ;-)
[06:58] <\sh> mfgalizi, right...that's the reason why we have a meeting this night :)
[06:58] <ogra> \sh, about which package are we talking here ?
[06:59] <ogra> \sh, kde doesnt use hal ?
[06:59] <\sh> ogra, who say that?
[07:00] <ogra> \sh, it would be silly to use something else
[07:00] <ogra> \sh, as well as pmount
[07:00] <mfgalizi> \sh, oh, ok.  well, I shall leave it blank, and edit (if necessasary) after the meeting.
[07:00] <\sh> ogra, on hoary it was working , right now, kde is not able to see usb stuff, but as I understand riddel, that  kde right now has problems with hal
[07:00] <\sh> mfgalizi, which packages are you refering to?
[07:01] <ogra> \sh, so lets solve them...
[07:01] <ogra> \sh, since hal is the base for everything in ubuntu desktop world
[07:01] <\sh> ogra, yepp, but kde was mounting e.g. my usb hd with 2 parts as /dev/sda1 -> /media/sda1 and /dev/sda2 -> /media/sda2
[07:01] <ogra> \sh, so you can use all the backends
[07:02] <ogra> uhh, ugly
[07:02] <\sh> and gnome is mount /dev/sda1 -> /media/usbstick ,->
[07:02] <\sh> and /dev/sda2 -> /meda/usbstick-1
[07:02] <ogra> hmm...port g-v-m ?
[07:02] <\sh> thats much more ugly ,-)
[07:02] <ogra> huh ?
[07:02] <\sh> cause it's a harddrive ;)
[07:02] <mfgalizi> \sh, libxvmcw, which is listed under UniverseCandidates now.  I just figured that I should mention I made packages for it already.
[07:02] <ogra> how that ?
[07:03] <\sh> libxvmcw...what purpose?
[07:03] <ogra> \sh, my mother only sees a usb stick plugged into her imac.... why should it say its a harddisk ?
[07:03] <\sh> ogra, but I see my hardrive via usb cable plugged in ;)
[07:04] <\sh> ogra, and I never saw a usbstick with 81G + 82G
[07:04] <ogra> \sh, then this needs fixage, but still, i want a usb stick to show up as such
[07:04] <\sh> ogra, agreed, but you can determine the diff between hd and stick
[07:04] <ogra> as i want my camera show up as camera....
[07:04] <\sh> ogra, don't change the topic ;)
[07:04] <ogra> sure... hal has all the info for you
[07:05] <\sh> ogra, but didn't see that /dev/sda1 is formatted with ntfs
[07:06] <\sh> and gnome it's trying to automount, but can't get it right
[07:06] <ogra> \sh, did you talk to pitti about that ?
[07:06] <\sh> ogra, no i just saw it now
[07:07] <ogra> \sh, tell it to him...
[07:07] <\sh> ogra, since my kde is not working anymore (wheres your patch) i'm using gnome
[07:08] <siretart> mfgalizi: isn't there some work to get libxvmcw into debian? I remember an email on debian-mentors...
[07:08] <ogra> just teach KDE to use X Keyborad right.... thats the drawback if you write your own implementation for everything ;)
[07:09] <Nafallo> *sigh*
[07:09] <\sh> ogra, well..that what i was thinking the first way
[07:09] <\sh> ogra, but then I removed the kxkb session
[07:09] <Nafallo> xorg isn't on archive.ubuntu.com
[07:09] <Nafallo> and seems not built on amd64 :-P
[07:10] <mfgalizi> siretart, I sent that message.  It cannot be included because it depends on a libxvmcw.so.  Build depends always fail
[07:10] <ogra> Nafallo, give it time
[07:10] <ogra> Nafallo, i testbuilt it on amd64... so it should work
[07:10] <Nafallo> ogra: I have ;-). and I know I'll have to give it more of that :-).
[07:10] <ogra> yeps
[07:11] <\sh> mfgalizi, i don't understand, you packaged  libxvmcw and it depends on  libxvmcw?
[07:11] <siretart> mfgalizi: err, I'm a bit confused: how would it build in ubuntu then?
[07:12] <mfgalizi> doh, I meant libxvmc
[07:13] <mfgalizi> Debian does not have a package that contains libxvmc.so.*, which the wrapper needs (it dlopens the four different xvmc implementations).
[07:13] <siretart> mfgalizi: and does ubuntu has a package?
[07:13] <mfgalizi> siretart, yes: libxvmc
[07:13] <\sh> ogra, what should I do with DanielN?
[07:13] <mfgalizi> sorry, libxvmc1
[07:13] <ogra> \sh, drink a beer ?
[07:14] <ogra> \sh, wrt ?
[07:14] <siretart> mfgalizi: aah, now I understand. this libxvmc.so is part of xorg, and debian has still xfree. did I get it right?
[07:14] <\sh> ogra, well, I don't know where he is right, and he has to do some things to get his "motu" status next week...but he didn't show up :(
[07:15] <ogra> you may move him over to me if you dont know what to do
[07:15] <mfgalizi> siretart, bang on.  I guess that would have made sense for me to say
[07:16] <bddebian> Yeah.. :-)
[07:16] <\sh> ogra, well, if he would be here, I know what to do...but suddenly he didn't show up anymore
[07:16] <ogra> \sh, he's probably busy
[07:17] <bddebian> Just wait until I get my StinkPad, then look out! :)
[07:18] <\sh> ogra, hmmm...I'll wait
[07:21] <\sh> hi littlepaul
[07:22] <littlepaul> hi \sh
[07:22] <littlepaul> http://www.ubuntuusers.de/wiki/motu:chatlog_mit_daniel_holbach_in_form_eines_interviews
[07:24] <siretart> :)
[07:25] <littlepaul> siretart, jupp
[07:25] <littlepaul> siretart, you did a good job with youre answers
[07:25] <ogra> littlepaul, you should distingush a bit between Q and A in the "Weitere Fakten?" part
[07:26] <littlepaul> ogra, i'll check
[07:26] <ogra> :)
[07:27] <ogra> littlepaul, seen that ? http://www.sueddeutsche.de/kultur/artikel/826/54772/
[07:27] <littlepaul> sure
[07:27] <ogra> totally wrong, but very positive :)
[07:27] <ogra> there are not 20% truth in it.... very sad for such a paper
[07:28] <littlepaul> we allready talked about this article
[07:28] <littlepaul> \sh, ogra my question concers the part Gibt es weitere Schnittstellen zwischen Debian Ubuntu?
[07:48] <\sh> ogra, to get dholbachs glom into breezy, he must fix it
[07:50] <ogra> \sh, tell it to him in an hour or two...
[07:51] <\sh> I write in the wiki :)
[07:51] <Nafallo> hehe
[07:52] <GNULinuxer> how can I instruct pbuilder to build in a Breezy chroot?
[07:53] <Nafallo> GNULinuxer: wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[07:53] <Nafallo> :-)
[07:57] <\sh> ogra, your turn fuer kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts  ;)
[07:59] <mitsuhiko> ogra: The article is funny. The editor of Addison and Weslay wrote me that they meant the Ubuntu Guide by elyps
[08:00] <ogra> i thought they meant this boxed thingie thats not from canonical... you can buy it at linuxland i think
[08:07] <bddebian> Is the CoC on the wiki page, the one for MOTU's or is there a seperate one for the MOTU process?
[08:09] <tseng> there is only one
[08:09] <Nafallo> neo! :-)
[08:12] <bddebian> tseng: Was that response to me?
[08:12] <littlepaul> tseng, more details? ;-)
[08:12] <tseng> bddebian: yes?
[08:13] <tseng> littlepaul: huh?
[08:13] <bddebian> tseng: OK, thanks
[08:14] <littlepaul> i meant is there a more detailed answer?
[08:14] <tseng> there is only one Code of Conduct for everyone
[08:14] <tseng> im not sure how to be more detailed
[08:14] <littlepaul> ok
[08:20] <uniq> what's the versioning policy when a package is versioned 0.4.2-1 upstream. (not in debian) Do we want to 'downgrade' to 0.4.2-0ubuntu1 or make it 0.4.2-1ubuntu1?
[08:20] <tseng> er
[08:20] <tseng> they actually call it foo-0.4.2-1.tar.gz
[08:20] <tseng> >
[08:21] <ogra> tseng, you could say that its on the wiki.... written in lack on some shady white
[08:21] <uniq> it's the debian dir included with upstream.
[08:21] <ogra> black even
[08:21] <uniq> with/in.
[08:21] <tseng> oh
[08:21] <tseng> thats a bit different
[08:21] <tseng> is it distributed in debian from that?
[08:21] <tseng> as a native package
[08:21] <uniq> no.
[08:22] <tseng> well lets keep the debian package as the base then
[08:22] <tseng> if thats sane
[08:22] <ogra> yep
[08:22] <ogra> uniq, 0.4.2-1ubuntu1 is right, since its the same package....
[08:22] <uniq> i thought so. thanks.
[08:23] <tseng> ogra: if -1 isnt in debian?
[08:23] <Riddell> ogra: the problem is that one day it might get uploaded to debian and the real 0.4.2-1 may have changes in that the upstream 0.4.2-1 doesn't
[08:23] <ogra> uniq, and you add the ubuntu1 only if you made ubuntu specific changes
[08:23] <bddebian> Well it mentions SABDFL but doesn't say what that is??
[08:23] <uniq> tseng: it's not in debian at all.. as far as packages.debian.org knows.
[08:23] <uniq> ogra: i did.
[08:23] <ogra> Riddell, so we'll get them with 0.4.2-2
[08:23] <bddebian> Or should I know what SABDFL is, if I had a brain?
[08:23] <tseng> bddebian: mark shuttleworth
[08:24] <Riddell> ogra: that's inelegant, there might never be a 0.4.2-2
[08:24] <ogra> bddebian, sure you should know... even my mother knows that ;-P
[08:24] <bddebian> Hmm, strange acronym for Mark Shuttleworth
[08:24] <tseng> not really
[08:24] <tseng> he stole it from python
[08:24] <ogra> Riddell, there might also be no package in debian
[08:24] <Riddell> ogra: in which case it doesn't matter either way :)
[08:24] <bddebian> ogra: Well I told you all early on that I was stupid.. :-)
[08:24] <ogra> s/be no/never be a/
[08:25] <ogra> bddebian, only because i told her ;)
[08:25] <uniq> riddell: if it's uploaded to universe with *ubuntu* versioning it won't be synced automaticaly anyway, would it?
[08:26] <Riddell> uniq: you'll get a report in bugzilla saying "you need to merge these changes"
[08:26] <uniq> k.
[08:26] <bddebian> So that still doesn't tell what the acronym actually stands for..
[08:27] <tseng> self-appointed benevolent dicator for life
[08:27] <Riddell> uniq: well I think my way is best but do it however you wish
[08:27] <tseng> we should put that somewhere
[08:27] <tseng> so people stop asking :(
[08:27] <uniq> riddell: i agree. and i'm changing it now.
[08:28] <bddebian> tseng: Ahhhh
[08:29] <ogra> Riddell, i just rely on upstream to be honest and switch to -2 if he made changes....with this assumption you should have the same package, but youre right,  never know....
[08:53] <bddebian> Where is the MOTU process wiki stuff at?
[08:53] <ogra> bddebian, its all a aubset of the MOTU page
[08:53] <ogra> a subset
[08:53] <bddebian> ogra: Which is where?
[08:54] <ogra> wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[08:54] <bddebian> Ahhh
[08:54] <tseng> its searchable
[08:54] <tseng> besides being in the topic
[08:55] <bddebian> How come MOTU isn't linked off of wiki.ubuntu.com?
[08:55] <bddebian> Or did I just miss it?
[08:55] <tseng> we cant link every page from the front
[08:55] <bddebian> Why the hell not? :-)
[08:55] <bddebian> I am kidding btw
[08:57] <bddebian> OK, am I blind again?  The page mentions the MOTURecruitment page linked below..  but I don't see a link to MOTUREcruitment??
[08:58] <tseng> why cant you just put it in the address bar then
[08:58] <ogra> ergh
[08:58] <ogra> where are all the links gone ?
[08:58] <tseng> probably broken in the transition
[08:58] <bddebian> tseng: I'm not trying to be a pain, just trying to inform you folks that it's missing
[09:00] <ogra> bddebian, now its there... thanks
[09:01] <bddebian> Wow, that's a long list of "Needs to show up again".. :-)
[09:02] <ogra> ouch... why doesnt this new wiki respect the old links anymore.... ther MOTUTeams packe is totally broken
[09:02] <ogra> page
[09:04] <Amaranth> MOTUFoo links just Foo
[09:05] <bddebian> MOFO?
[09:05] <bddebian> :-)
[09:06] <ogra> Amaranth, yeps, so nearly only the teams that dont exist at all have links... funny
[09:07] <Amaranth> i traded 512MB of pc100 ram for 512MB of pc133 ram
[09:07] <Amaranth> weird things happening
[09:08] <bddebian> So, I add my name to a list and I'm an MOTU?? ;-P
[09:08] <tseng> no
[09:08] <Amaranth> but it also might have been the 300 packages upgraded
[09:09] <bddebian> tseng: I'm joking again..
[09:09] <tseng> you arent funny :)
[09:09] <Amaranth> so when/where is the meeting?
[09:09] <tseng> #ubuntu-meeting/2200utc
[09:10] <bddebian> tseng: Well, that's nothing new.  You must not be from #d-d :-)
[09:10] <tseng> nope.
[09:10] <Amaranth> anyone else getting "(firefox-bin:13940): Gdk-WARNING **: gdk_property_get(): length value has wrapped in calculation (did you pass G_MAXLONG?)"?
[09:11] <ogra> hmm
[09:12] <Amaranth> *groan*
[09:12] <Amaranth> I can't load _ANY_ gtk apps
[09:12] <ogra> Amaranth, doomed to kde ?
[09:12] <Amaranth> eek
[09:12] <Amaranth> my panel just died
[09:12] <tseng> ogra: daniel had me look at that forever ago
[09:12] <Amaranth> and died again
[09:13] <Amaranth> and so on
[09:13] <tseng> ogra: alot of it worked on x86 as i went over it
[09:13] <Amaranth> this is kinda funny, really
[09:13] <ogra> tseng, i'm quite sure its a hoary page
[09:13] <tseng> ogra: i dont have the patience for it that he does to go over hundreds of packages
[09:13] <tseng> yeah it was definately mid-hoary
[09:13] <Amaranth> everything is bouncing around as the windows resize when the panel dies/comes back
[09:13] <ogra> so we could clean it... i'll talk to him later
[09:15] <chillywilly> bddebian: behave yourself
[09:17] <bddebian> chillywilly: Why? :-)
[09:17] <chillywilly> because I said so
[09:18] <bddebian> heh
[09:18] <bddebian> Not the Powerbook? ;-P
[09:18] <jamessan|work> I just recently installed Ubuntu on my powerbook.  I miss wireless  :(
[09:19] <bddebian> So how do I create a new login on the wiki?  Is it me again?
[09:19] <chillywilly> bddebian: uh, no it's a 3U server from penguin computing
[09:19] <bddebian> chillywilly: :-)
[09:19] <chillywilly> I have 2 of them now with Ubuntu on them
[09:19] <chillywilly> dual althlon 264's w/ 2GB RAM
[09:19] <chillywilly> 246's
[09:20] <chillywilly> 64Bit
[09:20] <chillywilly> opteron's rather
[09:20] <bddebian> chillywilly: Well I have a Dell laptop with Ubuntu that I was supposed to send to ajmitch and I am getting another Stinkpad to put Ubuntu on.. :)
[09:20] <siretart> ogra: I'm working with a friend on a small project to faciliate the reviewing for facilating reviewing for us MOTUs. Are you aware of some other similar projects?
[09:20] <chillywilly> you're still in the sending people free hardware business ;)
[09:20] <siretart> ogra: the very first scetches can be viewed here: http://siretart.tauware.de/review-tool/
[09:21] <bddebian> chillywilly: Aye
[09:21] <siretart> just to show the idea what I have in mind
[09:21] <chillywilly> bddebian: hook a brother up...
[09:21] <chillywilly> :)
[09:21] <ogra> siretart, COOL !!!
[09:21] <bddebian> chillywilly: What do you want now? :-)
[09:21] <siretart> \sh: yes, this is a part of the idea I told you some weeks ago..
[09:21] <ogra> siretart, dont stop :)
[09:21] <chillywilly> bddebian: another laptop :)
[09:22] <tseng> free hardware?
[09:22] <bddebian> chillywilly: Another OldWorld Powerbook? :-)
[09:22] <chillywilly> bddebian: erm, no :)
[09:22] <bddebian> tseng: Not for you, you don't love me.. ;-)
[09:22] <siretart> ogra: I would like review-tool also to build the package, so we can have a look at the buildlog
[09:22] <\sh> siretart, u mean my thoughts on motumeeting?
[09:22] <ogra> siretart, what langis this ?
[09:22] <jamessan|work> siretart: that is pretty nice
[09:22] <chillywilly> man, I really need to make myself write some documentation
[09:23] <chillywilly> *sigh*
[09:23] <tseng> bddebian: i just answer your questions bluntly, most people get this
[09:23] <siretart> ogra: we want to write it in pyhton
[09:23] <ogra> siretart, yay
[09:23] <bddebian> tseng: Man, I'm kidding again..  Sorry, I'll shut up now.
[09:23] <siretart> \sh: err, I'm not quite sure, but probalby ;)
[09:23] <\sh> siretart, u just have a new friend :)
[09:23] <chillywilly> python rocks my socks
[09:24] <ogra> siretart, who is "we" ?
[09:24] <siretart> ogra: I'm not quite sure about the backend. either somethin based on mini-dinstall, or completly new. have to take a closer look to mini-dinstall
[09:24] <siretart> ogra: his name is Stefan Potyra, not affiliated to ubuntu (yet ;)
[09:25] <siretart> he's a collegue of me at university
[09:25] <ogra> siretart, and you didnt make him a MOTU yet ? shame on you !
[09:25] <ogra> :)
[09:25] <siretart> well, we just begun it this afternoon with designing an ER schema: http://siretart.tauware.de/review-tool/ER.png
[09:26] <siretart> ogra: he promised me to contribute packages ;)
[09:26] <ogra> *G* just kidding ;)
[09:26] <siretart> hehe
[09:29] <bddebian> OK, so how do I really set up a new user on the wiki??
[09:29] <siretart> bddebian: I think you need to create an account in the launchpad
[09:29] <siretart> and use that one
[09:31] <\sh> yeah
[09:32] <ajmitch> MOTU meeting today, right?
[09:32] <tseng> 2200utc
[09:32] <tseng> 2.5 hours
[09:33] <ajmitch> alright
[09:35] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[09:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm sorry I'm such a loser.. :-(
[09:36] <bddebian> siretart: Where/what is the launchpad?
[09:36] <Treenaks> bddebian: http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/ says it all
[09:36] <bddebian> Thx
[09:37] <siretart> bddebian: see topic: https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/
[09:38] <bddebian> Aye, I just caught that.. After asking of course.. :-(
[09:45] <ajmitch> hi bddebian
[09:46] <bddebian> aaaarrrrrggggghhhh
[09:46] <siretart> huh? it was just a friendly greeting ;)
[09:46] <bddebian> Trying to log in to wiki: "Passwords don't match" from launchpad
[09:47] <ajmitch> oops :)
[09:47] <bddebian> ajmitch: Are you even still interested in the Dell I have?
[09:48] <ajmitch> bddebian: sure, why not?
[09:50] <ajmitch> hi jeff
[09:51] <jbailey> heya
[09:55] <siretart> does anyone use pbuilder hooks? I'd like to use the dpkg-i hook from the pbuilder examples/ dir. The problem is that it 'dpkg -i' the binary, but doesn't resolve dependencies. so I think I need to write another hook to satisfy the dependencies.
[09:56] <siretart> now my question: is it somehow possible to extract the dependencies of a given .deb (or set of .debs) so that I can install them via apt-get?
[10:01] <jbailey> siretart: apt-ftparchive might give your what you want in the Packages file.
[10:06] <siretart> jbailey: hm. I think that information could me more easily retrieved with dpkg-deb -I <foo>.dpkg and grepping
[10:07] <siretart> jbailey: but then I still would need some kind of parser, because of alternative and versioned dependencies
[10:13] <jbailey> siretart: I was more thinking that you could make an apt-ftparchive, point to your stuff, and another archive and just let apt-get handle it.
[10:15] <siretart> jbailey: aah, and letting apt-get do the job? this sounds sane. will look into it. thanks to the suggestion!
[10:15] <jamessan> jbailey: nudge  ;)
[10:16] <jbailey> jamessan: Stalker.
[10:16] <jbailey> =)
[10:18] <jbailey> Bah, misspelling my nick might not trigger a highlight, but YOU STILL CANNOT HIDE!!!
[10:18] <jbailey> mwahahahahah
[10:19] <siretart> lol
[10:19] <TMM> damn, you actually READ what's not highlighted? I never do that
[10:19] <TMM> :P
[10:20] <TMM> ok, I just killed a server somewhere... I was supposed to install a VPN server on it, well... it IS secure now
[10:20] <TMM> too bad I've never seen the thing, and I can't go over there
[10:20] <TMM> someone is going to be very pissed tommorow
[10:20] <Nafallo> TMM: how could you answer something you don't see? ;-)
[10:20] <TMM> I didn't
[10:20] <Nafallo> or read rather :-)
[10:20] <TMM> It's all in your head
[10:21] <Nafallo> hehe
[10:21] <\sh> damn
[10:21] <TMM> you are just a figment of the line noise on my crappy cable connection
[10:21] <TMM> :P
[10:22] <\sh> *rotfl*
[10:22] <\sh> I just got a shock right now
[10:23] <\sh> i just read the first time the last sentence of the german translation of the apt-get --help text
[10:23] <\sh> "Dieses APT hat Super-Kuh-Krfte."
[10:23] <\sh> Super Cow Strength
[10:24] <siretart> \sh: try 'apt-get moo' ;)
[10:24] <\sh> oh my
[10:24] <\sh> whats missing is a ascii flipper
[10:24] <siretart> hehe
[10:24] <Nafallo> Denna APT har Speciella Ko-Krafter. :-)
[10:24] <\sh> i never read it before
[10:24] <\sh> siretart, u have time?
[10:26] <siretart> \sh: a bit, I'm fighting with debarchiver, but. what is it?
[10:26] <\sh> I have a strange lintian error and I can't see where it comes from...everything looks ok in the package
[10:26] <siretart> url?
[10:27] <TMM> 'this apt has super cow powers' it is in english
[10:27] <bddebian> AYe
[10:27] <\sh> archive.linux-server.org/breezy.php (but give me 3 mins)
[10:27] <siretart> ok
[10:27] <bddebian> That cracked me up the first time I saw it
[10:27] <siretart>                        Dieses APT hat Super-Kuh-Krfte.
[10:29] <\sh> siretart, now ;) it's njam
[10:30] <siretart> downloading
[10:32] <siretart> \sh: you mean this one: W: njam: non-standard-dir-perm usr/share/ 0655 != 0755
[10:33] <\sh> yepp
[10:35] <siretart> \sh: try commenting out line 80 ;)
[10:35] <siretart> in debian/rules, that is
[10:36] <\sh> thx
[10:38] <bddebian> OK, I'm in the Wiki, now what? :-)
[10:38] <\sh> siretart, sometimes I'm blind :)
[10:39] <siretart> \sh: no problem. same here :)
[10:39] <ajmitch> bddebian: start filling things in
[10:39] <bddebian> ajmitch: ??
[10:39] <bddebian> Holy crap, I see the CXX list is Loooong :)
[10:40] <\sh> it's just finishe
[10:40] <\sh> d
[10:40] <siretart> \sh: if you have time, could you have a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/s/sfs/1:0.8-0+pre20041016.1-1ubuntu1/
[10:41] <ajmitch> \sh: hmm, all done? :)
[10:41] <siretart> on my machine, I only get a warning, but this boomake bails out :(
[10:43] <siretart> and the most crazy fact is: it ftbfs on every arch but ia64 :/
[10:43] <\sh> ajmitch, i said just finished ;) where r yours ;-)
[10:43] <\sh> siretart, i will get the source just now :)
[10:44] <siretart> \sh: well, the source is quite big, and it takes a loooooong time to compile :(
[10:44] <siretart> \sh: but thanks!
[10:44] <\sh> siretart, i have to see the sourcefiles anyways.
[10:45] <siretart> \sh: ok
[10:45] <ajmitch> \sh: sitting on my computer, of course :)
[10:54] <\sh> siretart, well, I don't see the error itself...in arpc/rpctypes this is only warning..so where is this bloody error
[10:55] <siretart> \sh: exactly. on my machine, it is just an error
[10:55] <\sh> so it can only be in In function 'void nfs3_exp_disable(u_int32_t, void*)':
[10:59] <lesliev> Hiya all!
[10:59] <lesliev> Just busy building my first package, so hold thumbs!
[11:00] <siretart> lesliev: :)
[11:00] <lesliev> siretart: saw you put "mkdir -p $(CURDIR)/debian/sopwith/usr/share/pixmaps" into debian/rules for sopwith
[11:01] <lesliev> .. oh, ok, I see why now
[11:01] <siretart> :)
[11:01] <lesliev> for the uudecode
[11:02] <lesliev> how about that guessing of dependencies! That seems to be the most time consuming part
[11:02] <\sh> siretart, i don't have a clue...i don't even understand what they're doing there ,-)
[11:03] <siretart> \sh: you mean with fixing rpcgen, and deanonymizing the anonymous enums?
[11:03] <lesliev> ah, osrry to break into your conversation ;)
[11:03] <siretart> what kinda tricky
[11:03] <\sh> siretart, whatever ;)
[11:03] <siretart> lesliev: no problem, If you have questions, just ask :)
[11:06] <lesliev> ok
[11:07] <siretart> ETA to meeting: 1h
[11:08] <TMM> heheh! whooo!!! it's a hardware issue ... lol
[11:08] <TMM> I knew I did everything right
[11:08] <Nafallo> TMM: ?
[11:08] <lesliev> what meeting?
[11:10] <ajmitch> lesliev: MOTU meeting
[11:11] <ogra> siretart, what about a automatic lintian/linda run in your ool ?
[11:11] <ogra> tool
[11:12] <TMM> Nafallo, I killed a server about half an hour ago, I just got word that the thing is flaky, and it's probably not my failt that it won't boot anymore. I upgraded it from some weird woody/sarge hybrid to sarge and updated the kernel
[11:12] <siretart> ogra: yes, if I get autobuilding done, this should be an easy job
[11:12] <TMM> Nafallo, not for fun, but because I was supposed to install a VPN on it
[11:13] <Nafallo> TMM: ahh, oki.
[11:13] <siretart> ogra: right know, I think Stefan and I should work to get a first version without autobulding and automated checking done. even this should be better than via wiki
[11:14] <siretart> what do you think?
[11:17] <ogra> siretart, in any case :)
[11:17] <siretart> ogra: do you happen to have a neat project name?
[11:17] <\sh> somebody spelled my name completly wrong ;)
[11:18] <doko> bash: what's wrong with it?
[11:18] <siretart> \sh: I think I will need your help for the autobuilding and auto{lintian,linda} stuff. do you think you could host it?
[11:18] <\sh> siretart, sure
[11:19] <ajmitch> siretart: autobuilding ought to be fairly simple
[11:19] <ogra> siretart, i'll think about a name
[11:19] <siretart> \sh: great!
[11:19] <ajmitch> lintian can just be run on the deb or .changes file
[11:19] <siretart> ajmitch: what would you recommend? dak or mini-dinstall? pbuilder or sbuild?
[11:20] <ajmitch> mini-dinstall & sbuild, I think
[11:20] <ajmitch> dak might be a bit too much
[11:20] <siretart> ok. the combination of both tools, I never really worked with :)
[11:20] <ajmitch> sbuild is well suited for autobuilding
[11:20] <ajmitch> :)
[11:20] <siretart> but I'll look into it
[11:20] <\sh> ajmitch, well, pbuilder can also be used
[11:20] <ajmitch> \sh: sure, it can be used..
[11:21] <siretart> ajmitch: whats the advantage of sbuild over pbuilder here?
[11:22] <ajmitch> umm..
[11:22] <ajmitch> there's some docs on setting up a buildd chroot? :)
[11:22] <ajmitch> I haven't really used sbuild, but others have recommended it
[11:22] <siretart> ah, ok
[11:23] <ivoks> hehe i love when web hosting providers suply contact info for their domains... it's easier to get rid of spam :)
[11:24] <ajmitch> http://people.debian.org/~aba/buildd/cheat.html
[11:24] <ajmitch> how to setup a buildd with sbuild..
[11:24] <agile> you guys have any insight as to php5's inclusion into either/or debian or ubuntu?
[11:24] <ajmitch> well, not sbuild, it seems :)
[11:25] <ajmitch> agile: yes, the maintainer is working on it :)
[11:25] <agile> ajmitch, would that be adam conrad?
[11:25] <agile> ajmitch, btw.. you still involved with gnue these days? :)
[11:26] <ajmitch> agile: yes it is, and yes I am..
[11:27] <lesliev> sorry to cut in: I just built a package with dpkg-buildpackage but I didn't have a gpg key yet...
[11:27] <lesliev> now I have made a key, can I just "gpg -s package.changes" ?
[11:28] <lesliev> oh, there is no package.changes!
[11:28] <lesliev> can I run dpkg-buildpackage again?
[11:32] <lesliev> siretart: Looks like I am finally done. The package seems to install properly and I put in the .desktop stuff too.
[11:32] <lesliev> What should I send to you?
[11:33] <siretart> lesliev: if you have some webspace somewhere, upload it there and put a link to that on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToReview
[11:34] <siretart> for reviewing, I would need the .dsc file, the .diff.gz, and a link to the .orig.tar.gz
[11:35] <lesliev> ok. But the file I should link the ubuntu page to should be the .deb I'm sure?
[11:35] <siretart> no, because we cannot review nor upload binary packages
[11:36] <ogra> lesliev, the .deb is not intresting
[11:36] <siretart> the source package consists of the three files I mentioned above
[11:36] <\sh> *yawn*
[11:36] <lesliev> aha
[11:37] <siretart> use dpkg-buildpackage -S or debuild -S to create these files
[11:39] <\sh> finally I could upload just now my very first ubuntu debian package ;)
[11:40] <bddebian> Ubuntu debian?
[11:41] <\sh> debian formatted package for ubuntu ;)
[11:41] <bddebian> ahhh
[11:43] <siretart> :)
[11:48] <lesliev> ok: http://icoc.co.za/ubuntu/
[11:49] <\sh> ogra, sign now kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts ,-) NOW ;-)
[11:50] <ogra> \sh, dont you have 3 signoffs ?
[11:50] <ogra> err
[11:50] <ogra> oh
[11:50] <ogra> heh
[11:50] <\sh> ogra, is motaboy a motu?
[11:50] <ogra> not yet afaik
[11:50] <\sh> so i need your signature ;)
[11:51] <lesliev> Siretart: Ok, I did the -S, now there is a .changes file... Do you want that uploaded too?
[11:52] <lesliev> ok, done anyway
[11:52] <siretart> lesliev: the changes file is a control file for the archive software. I just need the .dsc and every file mentioned in that
[11:52] <TMM> hey, can someone refresh my memory please, what is the name of the userspace bootsplash guy?
[11:52] <siretart> but including the changes file never hurts. its really small ;)
[11:54] <TMM> also, I've got some ideas, and solutions :) for a better way to configure laptops, and I've adapted laptop-detect and laptop-mode stuff for it, where/how do I go about to getting this out into the world?
[11:54] <TMM> I know it's not universe, but I think it's useful
[11:55] <lesliev> siretart: Ok, done. I have linked to the wiki too. I hope all is in order :-)
[11:56] <siretart> lesliev: great! I will have a look at it soon
[11:56] <lesliev> The changes file is also signed now too, yay!
[11:56] <lesliev> Thanks for all the help
[11:57] <siretart> youre welcome
[11:58] <siretart> lesliev: Oh, I didn't notice, is tesseracttrainer a NEW package?
[11:59] <dholbach> hi
[11:59] <siretart> hi dholbach
[11:59] <dholbach> lesliev: could you take tesseracttrainer to MOTUNewPackages instead of MOTUToReview?
[11:59] <siretart> lesliev: in this case, you have to put it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages