[12:00] <concept10> superkitty, did you try to detect lan printers?
[12:00] <superkitty> concept i dont know the host, or i do and am not sure what they mean
[12:00] <ompaul> Seveas, the first set of questions I saw when I came in here during array 3/4 were more linux rpm users getting  to grips with .deb, now it is more like this is how linux works .
[12:00] <superkitty> how do i detect lan printers?
[12:00] <CarlK_> im trying to connect to an open wifi at Burger king - but my ubuntu box won;t get an IP...
[12:01] <CarlK_> nor does it see any signal
[12:01] <concept10> superkitty,   Click on Global Settings
[12:01] <CarlK_> the win box I am on shows 4 out of 5 bars
[12:01] <LokeDK> yeah k3b did it :)
[12:02] <CarlK_> I think the Ubuntu box may have a WEP key that won't go away
[12:02] <superkitty> concept ok stupid question for you, where is Global Settings?
[12:02] <CarlK_> anyone know the commands to show what SSID's are detected?
[12:02] <nlghtcrawler-lin> hey guys
[12:02] <nlghtcrawler-lin> im having a problem
[12:02] <concept10> superkitty, System > Administration > Printing
[12:02] <ompaul> nlghtcrawler-lin, and it is?
[12:03] <nlghtcrawler-lin> im trying to install this package, i type: dkpg -i limewire.deb
[12:03] <nlghtcrawler-lin> it says
[12:03] <nlghtcrawler-lin> bash: dkpg: command not found
[12:03] <Seveas> nlghtcrawler-lin, and tis is an Ubuntu box..?
[12:03] <concept10> dpkg
[12:03] <nlghtcrawler-lin> yup
[12:03] <nlghtcrawler-lin> oo
[12:03] <concept10> you spelled it wrong
[12:03] <ompaul> nlghtcrawler-lin,  dpkg might be more useful
[12:03] <Seveas> nlghtcrawler-lin, that is very odd...
[12:03] <Seveas> ah narf...
[12:03] <Seveas> :)
[12:03] <Seveas> i didn't even notice it :)
[12:04] <Seveas> it's called dpkg and not dkpg (notice the very subtle difference)
[12:04] <superkitty> concept it didnt seem to detect
[12:04] <Seveas> and using sudo is also neccessary here
[12:04] <nlghtcrawler-lin> ...
[12:04] <Octane> what do you need besides latest jre to run azureus?
[12:04] <nlghtcrawler-lin> when i use sudu
[12:04] <Seveas> sudo dpkg -i limewire.deb
[12:04] <Seveas> Octane, azureus perhaps? ;)
[12:04] <ompaul> nlghtcrawler-lin, then you give it your password and off it goes
[12:04] <Octane> :)))))
[12:05] <Octane> there is something im missing i believe
[12:05] <drasko> I can not see /dev/scsi in my system, although I see my usb flash is readed by dmsg... What's wrong, how to mount flash?
[12:05] <concept10> superkitty, where is the printer?
[12:05] <Seveas> Do you get an error? if so, which error?
[12:05] <Seveas> drasko, ther is no /dev/scsi
[12:05] <superkitty> connected to my server right next to me
[12:05] <Seveas> there's /proc/scsi and /dev/sd*
[12:06] <Mez> is there a qweik and easy waty to convert a disk from fat to ext ?
[12:06] <concept10> superkitty, try and use the add printer dialog
[12:06] <drasko> Seveas, no sda,b or anything under /dev
[12:06] <Seveas> Mez, mkfs.ext3
[12:06] <Seveas> you'll lose all data though
[12:06] <superkitty> still asking me for the host
[12:06] <Mez> dont want to lose my data :D
[12:06] <Seveas> drasko, then your flash drive isn't recognized...
[12:06] <bl4cktone> drigloi got him to stop running left
[12:06] <Mez> if i wanted to lose it -= I'd no be asking to convert
[12:06] <Seveas> is usb_storage loaded?
[12:07] <zho40> anyone know how to get the ll comand in ubuntu?
[12:07] <Seveas> Mez, in that case: there's no way
[12:07] <Seveas> zho40, try ls -l
[12:07] <ompaul> Octane, 'sudo apt-get install azureus' should sort out all the problems there
[12:07] <concept10> superkitty, what is the ip of the server? try that
[12:07] <zho40> yeah, i know that just wanting to save the keystrokes
[12:07] <Seveas> if you had an ll command somewhere, there was an alias over there that aliased ll to ls -l
[12:08] <Seveas> zho40, in your ~/.bashrc you write: alias ll='ls -l'
[12:08] <drasko> Seveas, yes, it is... I can see that issuing the dmesg command... It is regognised correctly.
[12:08] <zho40> ah, thanks
[12:08] <Mez> ah i guess i can copy yhthe data to a spare fat32 partitions
[12:08] <Mez> and then back
[12:08] <bl4cktone> anyonw know how I can up the resolution in tuxracer?
[12:08] <Seveas> indeed
[12:08] <nlghtcrawler-lin> anyone here install limewire on ubuntu?
[12:08] <Mez> or even just delete it and reget the repository
[12:08] <LokeDK> Just wondering.. the k3b from apt-get uses cdrdao.. but it doesn't use full speed? the average speed when i just burned was 19x.. and my burner can burn with 52x.. and the cd's.. 48x
[12:09] <nlghtcrawler-lin> this is what i've done
[12:09] <nlghtcrawler-lin> i've gotten the .rpm off the net, converted it to .deb
[12:09] <nlghtcrawler-lin> its in /home/user/ folder
[12:09] <nlghtcrawler-lin> so i go to that under root
[12:09] <Seveas> nlghtcrawler-lin, what's the error you get?
[12:09] <superkitty> concept no go
[12:09] <nlghtcrawler-lin> i dont see it in the menu
[12:09] <nlghtcrawler-lin> after i insatll it
[12:09] <bl4cktone> nlghtcrawler-lin http://ubuntuguide.org/#limewire
[12:09] <nlghtcrawler-lin> using dpkg
[12:09] <drasko> Seveas, dmesg also says: sda: assuming drive cache: write through /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0  Attached scsi generic sg0 at scsi2, channel 0, id 0, lun 0,  type 0
[12:09] <Seveas> nlghtcrawler-lin, then use smeg to add it
[12:09] <Seveas> drasko, odd..
[12:10] <Seveas> drasko, have you tried manually creating the device nodes?
[12:10] <Seveas> nlghtcrawler-lin, never expect converted rpms to add menu entries
[12:10] <Mez> only 4198 files to go
[12:10] <Seveas> :o)
[12:10] <Tonglebeak> i'm having troubles, and have little experience with linux in general...
[12:11] <Tonglebeak> first of all, the only screen resolution i can select is 640x480
[12:11] <concept10> superkitty, what type of server is it?
[12:11] <Tonglebeak> and a refresh rate of 60hz
[12:11] <Tonglebeak> second ofa ll, my network card is being detected
[12:11] <superkitty> clarkconnect?
[12:11] <concept10> huh?
[12:11] <drasko> Seveas, no... How to do this?
[12:11] <Seveas> Tonglebeak: GNULinuxer: To find out ho you can change your display's resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:11] <Seveas> hmm
[12:11] <Seveas> something's wrong with that faq entry..
[12:11] <christopher_> Hello Ya'll!
[12:11] <nlghtcrawler-lin> i just insatlled smg, and updated the menu's
[12:12] <nlghtcrawler-lin> its not there
[12:12] <LinuxJones> Tonglebeak, >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:12] <bl4cktone> where in the world does tuxracer install it's dir?
[12:12] <Seveas> nlghtcrawler-lin, you'll have to add it yourself...
[12:12] <Seveas> bl4cktone, dpkg -L tuxracer
[12:12] <christopher_> I just loaded ubuntu for the first time and need to learn how to use some of the features!
[12:13] <Tonglebeak> Seveas,LinuxJones: what about detecting my network card? it's Blitzz 802.11 wlan
[12:13] <christopher_> I am a totally newb to Linux
[12:13] <bl4cktone> seveas I see!!!
[12:13] <christopher_> hello ubuntu, and tyler
[12:13] <tyler__> nas
[12:13] <Seveas> Tonglebeak, sounds like you need ndiswrapper on that one. Do you know which chipset it uses (the lspci command can tell you that)
[12:13] <tyler__> hello
[12:13] <tyler__> can you help me?
[12:13] <Ubuntu> hi christopher
[12:13] <tyler__> cristopher
[12:14] <Seveas> tyler__, just state the problem :)
[12:14] <tyler__> ok
[12:14] <christopher_> I cant help anyone, I have had linux for about 5 minutes
[12:14] <tyler__> i have a scrip
[12:14] <nilsl> What Direct Connect-version works with Ubuntu?
[12:14] <christopher_> I came here for some answers actually
[12:14] <Tonglebeak> i'd need to log back on linux to find out. i run that from the terminal, right?
[12:14] <Seveas> christopher_, welcome aboard the Ubuntu ship then
[12:14] <tyler__> but it had a problem
[12:14] <bl4cktone> christopher I know the feeling
[12:14] <Seveas> nilsl, try dcgui-qt (That's valknut)
[12:14] <christopher_> Thanks for the howdy
[12:14] <ompaul> Seveas, I also point to the word newbie and nubie and things like that to back up my claim :-)
[12:14] <Seveas> Tonglebeak, yes
[12:14] <nilsl> Seveas: Right, thx.
[12:14] <tyler__> wlanctl-ng:
[12:15] <tyler__> ./wlanng.sh: line 17: wlanctl-ng: command not found
[12:15] <LinuxJones> Tonglebeak, >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[12:15] <Ubuntu> christopher can i under ubuntu remote my xp pc?
[12:15] <tyler__> ??
[12:15] <Seveas> Ubuntu, of course
[12:15] <christopher_> I believe so
[12:15] <Seveas> menu applications -> internet -> terminal server client
[12:15] <Ubuntu> how it works seveas
[12:15] <Seveas> tyler__, what are you trying to do..?
[12:16] <Seveas> Ubuntu, just go to the application I pointed out, it's quite self-explanatory
[12:16] <maggots> r
[12:16] <Seveas> menu applications -> internet -> terminal server client <-- that application
[12:16] <tyler__> y try to put
[12:16] <tyler__> my tarjet wifi
[12:16] <christopher_> Howdy Maggots
[12:16] <tyler__> on channel 1
[12:16] <tyler__> with the script wlanng.sh
[12:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> has anyone figured out how to use bit torrent?
[12:17] <tyler__> i put this
[12:17] <Seveas> tyler__, and you are sure wlanctl-ng works with that?
[12:17] <christopher_> How do I gain an account on GAIM?
[12:17] <tyler__> ./wlanng.sh start ra0 1
[12:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> christopher_ gaim has options to let you register a new account.
[12:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> christopher_ try the "accounts"
[12:17] <tyler__> wlanctl-ng what is??
[12:17] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't understand using bittorrent.  how can i share files i have?
[12:17] <Seveas> tyler__, search google/the forums for an answer, I've seen an answer to this on the forums...
[12:18] <GNULinuxer> christopher_> you want to learn?
[12:18] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, that's a bit off-topic here, try #bittorent or #azureus
[12:18] <christopher_> I want to learn all I can!
[12:18] <tyler__> ok
[12:18] <GNULinuxer> christopher_> i mean gaim/
[12:18] <Seveas> christopher_, go to www.tldp.org and pick things you like :)
[12:18] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> lol
[12:18] <christopher_> okies
[12:19] <Seveas> christopher_, the ubuntu wiki is also a good source for information
[12:19] <bl4cktone> christopher check out ubuntuguide.org helps you with how to intall some programs
[12:19] <Seveas> bl4cktone, bad idea
[12:19] <Seveas> ubuntuguide explains nothing
[12:19] <Seveas> (plus: the instructions on it are wrong)
[12:19] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> have you noticed how many newbies are hitting the channel everyday?
[12:19] <LinuxJones> Seveas, that's not true
[12:19] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, yes
[12:19] <bl4cktone> seveas that's the major source of my knowlege at the moment
[12:19] <Seveas> LinuxJones, it is..
[12:19] <alex__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42821
[12:19] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> the growth of Ubuntu has been amazing
[12:20] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, indeed :)
[12:20] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> which distro do you come from?
[12:20] <concept10> Seveas, you should have the bot open a browser window when people log in
[12:20] <Seveas> Combined Windows XP (home desktop) Debian/Gentoo (server) and solaris/red hat (work)
[12:20] <ompaul> GNULinuxer, well when you get the likes of the guys behind kanotix and knoppix in here helping users you know something is shaping up
[12:21] <alex__> can anyone help me with http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42821 ?
[12:21] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> I really sit and watch first-timers flock to the channel ...
[12:21] <Seveas> :)
[12:21] <christopher_> I am going to check this out for a few mins I'll be back guys!  Thanks for info!
[12:21] <Seveas> my main reason to be here is help newbies get a smooth intro in Ubuntu and Linux in general
[12:22] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> could we imagine people adopting Debian from windows?
[12:22] <Seveas> No.
[12:22] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> you are behind kanotix?
[12:22] <Seveas> Maybe now, with sarge finally released
[12:22] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, no, I've never even used it :)
[12:22] <alex__> i cant connect ubuntu to the internet, full explanation at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42821
[12:22] <tyler__> seveas
[12:22] <tyler__> in my system
[12:22] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> well, ubuntu is debian IMO
[12:22] <bethor> hi, I am trying to prepare a box for installation. I haven't coped with hareware for a long time. Could it be that I can't run Serial ATA and ordinary IDE/ATA hds in parallel? sorry for this dumb question :-)?
[12:23] <zyth> alex__, have you tried sudo modprobe airport
[12:23] <tyler__> the command wlanctl
[12:23] <michael__> hi
[12:23] <tyler__> is not found
[12:23] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, in many ways it is, but I find it an improvement of debian
[12:23] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> surely ...
[12:23] <Seveas> I'm just curious how things are going to work out with sarge released
[12:23] <alex__> zyth: yes, no feedback from typing that
[12:23] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> you come from Debian?
[12:24] <michael__> I'm new to linux, can nebody tell me how to set up my wireless
[12:24] <Seveas> bethor, you can
[12:24] <LinuxJones> michael__, >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[12:24] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, my server (which now hosts *.ubuntulinux.nl) has been using debian for quite a while
[12:24] <Seveas> tyler__, please search better on the forums, there are also install instructions for wlanctl-ng
[12:25] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> great ...
[12:25] <ompaul> michael__, have you done this "system - administration - networking" it may help if not then the url :)
[12:25] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> the best way we can attract more users is by being helpful and understanding in this Channel
[12:25] <bethor> Seveas, thanks.
[12:25] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> BTW, why do you think ubuntuguide is bad?
[12:25] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, my thoughts exactly :)
[12:25] <michael__> yea
[12:26] <michael__> but i dunt know how to install my drivers
[12:26] <Ubuntu> Seveas:  terminal server says connection refused must i disable firewall or what can i do
[12:26] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, suboptimal solutions, misinformation, no explanation, confusing to newbies, still contains marillat unstable and backports by default and so on....
[12:26] <Seveas> the wiki explains all these things but better
[12:26] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> OTOH #debian used to be very hard on newbies
[12:26] <bl4cktone> I'm about to make a noob comment but I wanna make linux pretty! having trouble installing it with synaptic
[12:26] <bl4cktone> Enlightment that is
[12:26] <Seveas> Ubuntu, make sure you choose the right protocol (RDP or RDPv5 for windows remoote desktop)
[12:26] <lukus001> hey does anyone know why real player wont install via chroot /synaptic 32 bit?
[12:27] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, i know
[12:27] <Seveas> we don't want that spirit in here
[12:27] <ompaul> michael__, you were handed  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto in there are references to what you need to do with some stuff
[12:27] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> if we don't have the backports, how will they get packages ?
[12:27] <concept10> GNULinuxer, still is :)
[12:27] <GNULinuxer> concept10> lol
[12:27] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, backports is (now) good up to standards
[12:27] <Seveas> but marillat should not be used due to dependency problems
[12:27] <michael__> k, ty
[12:28] <Seveas> and recommending backports by default is also a no-no to me
[12:28] <GNULinuxer> concept10> they have a default ans. for noobs --> RTFM & STFW
[12:28] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> I see
[12:28] <lukus001> can anyone help me with chroot /synaptic 32
[12:29] <Bushuto> Can anyone help me with my CD driver..
[12:29] <concept10> GNULinuxer, I shut a guy up in there the other day, I told him if he has nothing to offer except JFGI dont bother typing.  He stopped talking
[12:29] <tyler__> seveas i just intall the wlantlc-ng
[12:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't get helix player to play theora files. :(
[12:29] <tyler__> but now
[12:29] <Seveas> concept10, lol :)
[12:29] <tyler__> the error is this
[12:29] <tyler__> wlanctl-ng: Operation not supported
[12:29] <tyler__> when i run the script
[12:30] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> I am using GNU/Linux since 1997 ... but I have never seen such a vibrant and helpful community with an excellent distro ... kudos to guys like you
[12:30] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, why would you used a closed-source player to play a wonderful open-source codec??
[12:30] <superkitty> concept still having issues with the printing
[12:30] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, thanks :)
[12:30] <GNULinuxer> concept10> haha. BTW, what is JFGI?
[12:30] <Bushuto> Why is it when I try to install an operating system it just crashes halfway through setting up??
[12:30] <concept10> Seveas, I just installed sarge on a old box to learn to istall a LAMP stack
[12:30] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, to my opinion GNU/Linux has not been beginner-friendly until last year
[12:30] <LinuxJones> Bushuto, a hardware problem maybe
[12:30] <Seveas> when Ubuntu finally got stable
[12:30] <GNULinuxer> Bushuto> is it about any distro?
[12:31] <ompaul> concept10, you should have told him to - jfgi for netiquette   :-)
[12:31] <Bushuto> huh
[12:31] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, JFGI=www.justfuckinggoogleit.com
[12:31] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> yeah ... the SuSE guys tried ... but they made the distro inflexible
[12:31] <squinn> One of my friends on the internet made a cooler site, Seveas.
[12:31] <squinn> http://showmethegoogle.com
[12:31] <concept10> superkitty, sorry - cant help :(  I need more info about your configuration
[12:32] <Seveas> concept10, installing a lamp stack is dead-easy in Ubuntu
[12:32] <Seveas> You can do that in 5 minutes...
[12:32] <superkitty> tell me how to get the info and i will happily send it along
[12:32] <concept10> Seveas, I just moved to Ubuntu after a year with Fedora. Better communtiy
[12:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> Seveas what player would you suggest?  i'm all ears.
[12:33] <alex__> anyone else have any ideas on how to solve http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42821 ?
[12:33] <Bushuto> when I'm installing an operating system, it loads everything into the ram and runs off of that or just off of the disk. or both..
[12:33] <aty> anyone know why i would get an error messege when running the music player bundled with ubuntu, it says there is no plugin to handle an mp3 file
[12:34] <concept10> superkitty, how is the printer connected?  to what computer?
[12:34] <Seveas> BROKEN_LADDER, any player on Ubuntu should play theora. Try totem
[12:34] <GNULinuxer> squinn> IRC is not BBCode enabled
[12:34] <Seveas> alex__: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[12:34] <mtbeedee> alex__ I dont know, I have ubuntu on my 600 mhz g3 ibbok and it works fine
[12:34] <cpayan> aty you need the plugin codecs
[12:34] <GNULinuxer> BROKEN_LADDER> MPlayer
[12:34] <cpayan> there's a bunch of material around on the wiki and forums about which packages you need
[12:34] <Seveas> aty: http://wiki.ubuntulinux.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:34] <aty> aite il try that
[12:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> i can't install mplayer.
[12:34] <aty> thanks alot
[12:34] <Seveas> aty, read that, it explains all about 'why don't i have mp3'
[12:34] <concept10> Seveas, could the bot open a browser window?
[12:35] <cs_Digi> hey, pretty quick question here, im sure some of u gurus can help :P
[12:35] <GNULinuxer> BROKEN_LADDER> what is the issue?
[12:35] <superkitty> it is connect to the printer port of the server. i am hooked to the server through a switch
[12:35] <Seveas> concept10, the bot can only put text in a channel...
[12:35] <Seveas> how would it ever be able to open a browser window?
[12:35] <cpayan> Seveas the patents are only effective in which countries though?
[12:35] <cs_Digi> my wirelss card is dodgy as hell in linux with the range im at. and i have no net connection
[12:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> GNULinuxer  mplayer-586: Depends: libavcodeccvs (>= 2:20050417-0.0) but it is not going to be installed
[12:35] <cpayan> i remember reading somewhere it was a limited amount
[12:35] <nilsl> I just installed xmms from synaptic. Uh... Where do I find it now? :-)
[12:35] <Seveas> cpayan, Ubuntu is a global distro :)
[12:35] <mcquaid> i'm trying to grab a src pkg from breezy sources, but i get this:
[12:35] <cs_Digi> i need to download the universe and multiverse repositories but i dont have have a connection
[12:35] <cpayan> no, i mean mp3 encoding
[12:36] <mcquaid> Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ca.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_breezy-updates_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)
[12:36] <Seveas> nilsl, try beep-media-player too, it's a pretty gtk2 port of xmms. You find it in applications -> sound and video
[12:36] <alex__> bye everyone
[12:36] <Seveas> (xmms and beep that is)
[12:36] <Equalizer> why do i keep getting this error W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:36] <concept10> Seveas, I think it would be great idea if the bot could open a browser window. But that would be a security concern.  For example some one asks about mp3 and it opens the restricted formats page
[12:36] <nilsl> Seveas: Okay.
[12:36] <Seveas> mcquaid, apt-get update
[12:36] <mcquaid> i have this as one of my sources: deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
[12:36] <concept10> superkitty, is the printer shared on the computer that its hooked to?
[12:36] <Seveas> concept10, of course that would be nice, but it's infeasible
[12:37] <Seveas> mcquaid, do NOT use breezy yet...
[12:37] <superkitty> yes i can access it from all computers hooked to the box
[12:37] <gaston_> Hi everyone!
[12:38] <mcquaid> can't believe i forgot to update doh!
[12:38] <superkitty> even this one when i ran Centos
[12:38] <thr1ce> hi
[12:38] <jono> hi all
[12:38] <gaston_> Can anyone help me with a little problem with xmms?
[12:38] <jono> how can I use rsync to sync two folders on the same machine?
[12:38] <mcquaid> Seveas, ya i'm not going to use breezy yet, i wanted to grab from source to see if i could do my own backport with the script jdong made
[12:38] <Seveas> jono, man rsync :)
[12:38] <Zodiac> sup dawgs
[12:38] <Seveas> mcquaid, ah ok :)
[12:38] <Octane> should i run wine or vmware?
[12:38] <thr1ce> wine if possible
[12:39] <thr1ce> is it a program or OS?
[12:39] <concept10> superkitty, okay what OS is the server?
[12:39] <Zodiac> guys, my DVD player plays slow
[12:39] <Seveas> Octane, wine runs single applications, vmware will only run a complete windows...
[12:39] <Zodiac> What should I do?
[12:39] <Seveas> Zodiac, enable dma on it :)
[12:39] <superkitty> clarkconnect
[12:39] <Octane> Seveas, oh thats good to know
[12:39] <Zodiac> I did
[12:39] <Zodiac> What now?
[12:39] <Seveas> Zodiac, and it worked..?
[12:39] <concept10> superkitty, what is clarkconnect?
[12:39] <Zodiac> No
[12:39] <Zodiac> It is still weird
[12:39] <superkitty> i can access the share file on the clark box
[12:39] <Seveas> Zodiac, what was the error?
[12:39] <gaston_> neither xmms nor totem works
[12:39] <Seveas> or did it actually enable dma?
[12:39] <Zodiac> No error, it just plays weird
[12:39] <superkitty> linux
[12:39] <Zodiac> like skips
[12:40] <mcquaid> hmm, the jdong's script still grabbed from hoary even though i only have breezy sources now
[12:40] <Seveas> Zodiac, try sudo hdparm /dev/hdc (or whatever your dvd drive is) and paste the output on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:40] <Zodiac> not sure what the problem is
[12:40] <Zodiac> ok hold on a sec
[12:40] <Seveas> gaston_, what's the problem..?
[12:41] <jono> can I sync two directories with rsync both ways? it seems I can only sync one dir to the changes in the other instead of applying the changes in both to both directories
[12:41] <Zodiac> wait, where do I paste it?
[12:41] <Seveas> jono, rsync has indeed been designed to only support one-way syncing
[12:41] <concept10> superkitty, im not sure about that.  im looking at the clark connect site, that looks neat.  I never heard of that before
[12:41] <bl4cktone> hey guys I googled and found http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216&highlight=e17 for installing E17 Enlightment did everything but when I get to the part with synaptic tells me the following package has unresolvable dependencies. I'm still a 2nd day linux user so still trying to keep up with the lingo
[12:41] <Seveas> zodiac http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:41] <jono> Seveas, is there anything to do two way syncing?
[12:42] <Seveas> jono, i bet there is, but I never had to use it so I don't know of any, sorry
[12:42] <Seveas> jono, try asking later or on the mailing list
[12:42] <Zodiac> ok I did it
[12:42] <superkitty> i find it strange that centos finds it fine
[12:42] <jono> Seveas, ok thanks
[12:42] <Seveas> Zodiac, it does not use DMA
[12:42] <Zodiac> What doesnt?
[12:42] <Seveas> Zodiac, try sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[12:42] <Seveas> your dvd drive...
[12:42] <lukus001> can somone help me with this chroot crap pleaty please with surga coating on top?
[12:42] <gaston_> Seveas, I downloaded xmms apt-geting and I doesnt work properly!
[12:43] <concept10> superkitty, how did you find it in centos?
[12:43] <Seveas> gaston_, let me guess: it hangs when you want to play mp3?
[12:43] <gaston_> Seveas, YEAP
[12:43] <LinuxJones> jono, have you looked at unison ?
[12:43] <Zodiac> ok
[12:43] <hondje> Hello, happy ubuntuans...anyone down for a installer problem?
[12:43] <Seveas> gaston_, open the xmms preferences with <ctrl>P, go to plugins -> output plugins
[12:43] <Seveas> and set the output plugin to Esound
[12:43] <superkitty> concept centos detected it through the printing utility
[12:44] <Seveas> hondje, just shout it out :)
[12:44] <gaston_> Seveas, Ohhhhhh
[12:45] <hondje> Seveas: partitioning dies, /var/log/messages says that mkfs.ext3: File too large while trying to determine filesystem size
[12:45] <LinuxJones> jono, >> http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/
[12:45] <hondje> er, didn't need that Seveas in front ;-)
[12:45] <Razor-X> wow...
[12:45] <Zodiac> So what da ya think Seavas?
[12:45] <Razor-X> I got Eterm working
[12:45] <Razor-X> and, it all dies
[12:45] <Razor-X> dies dies dies.....
[12:45] <cs_Digi> can the universe and multiverse repositories be downloaded via windows and installed of removable media, my netowrk connection in linux is still dodgy
[12:45] <hondje> 80 gig WD, the installer detects it as being like 112 TB
[12:45] <Seveas> Zodiac, try sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[12:45] <Seveas> hondje, ouch
[12:45] <Seveas> hondje, file a bug please :)
[12:45] <bl4cktone> razor-x no why does it tease you still
[12:45] <hondje> Seveas: Trying to get my brother all 'buntood out
[12:45] <Zodiac> I posted it
[12:45] <arnonym> i still can't get any input (mic, line-in) on my audigy with 2.6.12. any idea, anyone?
[12:45] <Razor-X> bl4cktone: I don't know
[12:46] <Razor-X> now it just segfaults when I start it
[12:46] <Seveas> hondje, this definitely is a bug in the installer
[12:46] <Razor-X> I even compiled the damned thing
[12:46] <gaston_> Seveas, It worked... I couldn't believe it was _SO_ easy
[12:46] <Mez> Amaranth - you around?
[12:46] <hondje> Seveas: awesome, I find bugs like the Orkin man
[12:46] <Seveas> gaston_, try beep-media-player too, it's a GTK2 (thus better looking) port of xmms
[12:46] <hondje> So, what are some alternative installation methods
[12:46] <Seveas> gaston_, it even needs the same fix to get it working ;)
[12:46] <hondje> can I do a netinst?
[12:46] <shaun_> I am wondering how to uninstall packages such as RealPlayer
[12:47] <Seveas> hondje, well, all installs involve this partitioner, so you will get bitten by this bug anyway
[12:47] <Seveas> shaun_, if you installed it as a .deb package: apt-get remove
[12:47] <gaston_> Seveas, but....
[12:47] <hondje> Seveas: oh wait, might not be a bug
[12:47] <gaston_> Seveas, thanks first... but  Does totem need any special lib?
[12:47] <Zodiac> Well I am at a loss
[12:47] <hondje> dmesg is barfing out ide problems left AND right
[12:47] <hondje> not too many to the back, though :)
[12:48] <Seveas> gaston_, it needs gstreamer0.8-mad to play mp3 files
[12:48] <Seveas> hondje, eeew...... maybe a loose cable?
[12:48] <superkitty> concept i really like debian and debian based distros but cant run em if i cant print
[12:48] <shaun_> I installed it by downloading it from RealPlayer's website and doing chmod a+x RealPlayer10GOLD.bin then RealPlayer10GOLD.bin
[12:48] <concept10> Seveas, does ubuntu have a default cron to update every night?
[12:48] <hondje> Seveas: could be, hdparm is showing like 4 dma setttings picked, too....could be the greatest bug ever :)
[12:48] <Seveas> shaun_, that probably installed into /usr/local/something
[12:48] <Seveas> you can remove the dir it installed itself in
[12:48] <Seveas> concept10, no
[12:49] <shaun_> How do I remove the dir?
[12:49] <thr1ce> rm -rf <dir>
[12:49] <shaun_> ...and will that get rid of everything?
[12:49] <Seveas> concept10, the updtae manager will download updates every day, but not auto-install them
[12:49] <concept10> superkitty, why dont you go and get the information on your printer from the centos box?
[12:49] <Seveas> shaun_, maybe some symlinks are left, but not too big a deal
[12:49] <superkitty> tried that
[12:49] <gaston_> Seveas, Could I download it from debian repositories?
[12:49] <Seveas> hondje, hmm...
[12:49] <Zodiac> hmm maybe I should get a different player
[12:50] <Seveas> gaston_, yes, beep-media-player and gstreamer0.8-mad are both in the repositories
[12:50] <concept10> Seveas, I was wondering because I havent seen any updates in a week
[12:50] <Seveas> concept10, there were none :)
[12:50] <gaston_> Seveas, But.. not in Ubuntu's one?
[12:50] <Seveas> gaston_, yes, they are in the Ubuntu repositories
[12:50] <hondje> Seveas: can you boot from reiserfs?
[12:50] <Equalizer> why do i keep getting this error W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:50] <shaun_> Seveas: How do I install RealPlayer as a .deb package?
[12:51] <Seveas> hondje, never tried myself, but it's possible
[12:51] <Seveas> Equalizer, run an apt-get update...
[12:51] <hondje> okay, lets see if I can wrk around this, thanks :D
[12:51] <Seveas> hondje, let me know when/if you get it working :)
[12:51] <Seveas> i still think it's a loose cable or a kernel bug though :)
[12:51] <cs_Digi> seveas , you appear to be pro at linux, is there a site u can download the universe and multiverse repositories so they can be installed to linux, my linux machine has no net connection atm
[12:52] <Seveas> cs_Digi, the complete repositories are about 73 GB for hoary...
[12:52] <concept10> superkitty, look in the ubuntu wiki.. type 'printing' in the searchbox - there are alot of resources there
[12:53] <Victus> where can I find the needed repositories ?
[12:53] <hondje> Seveas: will do, or else have a great read for bugzilla
[12:53] <Zodiac> Hey, seveas, so there is no way to fix my DVD problem?
[12:53] <hondje> Seveas: checked cables, sadly :)
[12:53] <cs_Digi> Seveas im assumin there is a way i can select the ones i need and download them seperatly though :P
[12:54] <superkitty> bye all, Concept thanks for the help
[12:54] <Seveas> cs_Digi, go to packages.ubuntu.com then :)
[12:54] <gaston_> Seveas, uhhhh.... I couldn't find it... which repository should I use?
[12:54] <Seveas> Zodiac, as i said enable dma...
[12:54] <Seveas> gaston_, universe
[12:54] <Seveas> and maybe multiverse for gstreaner0.8-mad
[12:54] <Zodiac> How do I do that?
[12:54] <Seveas> gaston: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:54] <Seveas> gaston: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:55] <Seveas> Zodiac, as i said: sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/hdc
[12:55] <shaun_> Is there a way to play avi and mpg videos with RhythmBox?
[12:55] <Seveas> if that gives an error, give us the error :)
[12:55] <Zodiac> I see
[12:55] <cs_Digi> seveas , thanks ur a genius.. no internet in linux is a nightmare :P
[12:55] <u19809> where can I find swsusp for hoary ?
[12:55] <Seveas> cs_Digi, yes, and especially if the package manager kinda counts on it :)
[12:56] <cs_Digi> seveas, lol ur dam rite
[12:56] <Equalizer> are there any p2p programs like sharezilla(i think thats the name) for linux
[12:56] <Seveas> u19809, swsusp is part of the kernel...
[12:56] <Zodiac> I swear I have done that like 10 times
[12:56] <Zodiac> I wonder if it isnt saving...?
[12:56] <Seveas> Zodiac, and it never gave an error?
[12:56] <Seveas> and you didn't reboot since doing that?
[12:56] <u19809> is the standard hoary kernel properly patched or should I recompile ?
[12:56] <Seveas> u19809, no idea actually :)
[12:57] <Seveas> try the mailinglist for an answer
[12:57] <Seveas> i *think* it is enabled...
[12:57] <thr1ce> it's patch, i'm pretty sure
[12:57] <shaun_> Where should I install packages?
[12:57] <Zodiac> no never
[12:57] <Seveas> shaun_, the package manager installs packages for you :)
[12:58] <Seveas> Zodiac, that is odd
[12:58] <Zodiac> ahhh
[12:58] <Seveas> try sudo hdparm -d /dev/hdc
[12:58] <Seveas> does it say on or off?
[12:58] <kong0> what programme should i use for .tgz files?
[12:58] <Zodiac> it just gave an error....
[12:58] <Seveas> kong0, tzr zxvf filename.tgz
[12:58] <kong0> i need to install certain files
[12:58] <Seveas> tar zxvf
[12:58] <shaun_> How do I install RealPlayer using package manager?
[12:58] <kong0> in terminal?
[12:58] <Seveas> kong0, what are you trying to install?
[12:58] <kong0> cedega
[12:58] <Zodiac> so what do I do now??
[12:58] <Seveas> shaun_: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[12:58] <Seveas> Zodiac, what is the error?
[12:59] <Zodiac> hold on, lemme recreate it
[12:59] <kong0> Seveas: Cedega
[12:59] <Seveas> kong0, search the forum, several people have written cedega howtos there...
[01:01] <hondje> Seveas: it's hardware
[01:01] <hondje> no bugs today
[01:01] <Zodiac> hmm
[01:01] <Zodiac> weird
[01:01] <Zodiac> now it plays
[01:01] <Seveas> hondje, what/is was the problem then?
[01:01] <Zodiac> what the heck is going on
[01:01] <hondje> Seveas: looks to be ide controller
[01:01] <Seveas> ah :|
[01:02] <hondje> I grabbed what dmesg was saying, showed it to the magical embedded wizard....
[01:02] <EvanCarroll> I'm having lots of not fun problems today too with my ide controller or hard drive
[01:02] <gaston_> Seveas, THANKS VERY, VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HELP!!!    :-D
[01:02] <hondje> Seveas: I'm going to see if I can't partition w/ a livecd, and then be sneaky
[01:02] <Seveas> gaston_, yw
[01:02] <hondje> later man, thanks for the thinkin
[01:03] <Zodiac> Goodnight Sevas!
[01:03] <Zodiac> Thanks for all your help
[01:03] <hondje> yeah, 3 cheers for Seveas
[01:04] <EvanCarroll> I'm getting a bunch of error messages hda: Drive not ready for that command.
[01:04] <BROKEN_LADDER> can anyone help me to install mplayer?
[01:04] <BROKEN_LADDER>  libxvidcore4: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) but 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 is to be installed
[01:04] <keikoz> EvanCarroll whiwh command ?
[01:05] <EvanCarroll> keikoz: got me, that all dmesg is telling me
[01:05] <EvanCarroll> 'hda: drive not ready for that command'
[01:05] <SurveR> hi
[01:05] <selinium> Hi all , what does it mean in SYNAPTIC when the icon is a square with a star in the corner?
[01:05] <gaston_> Seveas, last little question... could it be?
[01:05] <EvanCarroll> I was having dma failures earlier and some other stupid random shit
[01:05] <keikoz> EvanCarroll maybee you changed your fstab ?
[01:06] <EvanCarroll> no.
[01:06] <kungkang> selinium: Help -> Icon legend
[01:06] <gaston_> Seveas, gstreamer needs libid3tag... which is unavailable.... what should I do?
[01:06] <EvanCarroll> fstab woulden't cause dma failures no matter how hard you tried
[01:06] <selinium> kungkang: Sorry i have just found it. DOH!
[01:06] <kungkang> selinium: :) took me a whole day to find that
[01:07] <EvanCarroll> maybe the drive or controller crapped out, or maybe breezy had a bad update
[01:07] <gaston_> gstreamer needs libid3tag... which is unavailable.... what should I do?
[01:07] <thr1ce> update your repositories
[01:07] <keikoz> maybee the bios et that point
[01:07] <thr1ce> it'll be available :)
[01:07] <Ubuntu> hi
[01:07] <EvanCarroll> yea know im getting the errors, 'ID "2" Respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes
[01:07] <EvanCarroll> and 'cannot execute "/sbin/getty"'
[01:07] <EvanCarroll> oh fun
[01:07] <Ubuntu> im dutch where is the dutch channel
[01:07] <selinium> Any idea why almost all of the packages are now Not installed (New in repository) ? Or is it just me?
[01:08] <gaston_> Does anyone know what to  I do?
[01:08] <dooglus> gaston_: you're using breezy?
[01:08] <Equalizer> can i apt-get php5?
[01:08] <SurveR> mm, my english is ver bad. I've a problem when init gdm, play sound init 3 o 4 times anda my pc is blocked. some people know about this problem?
[01:08] <gaston_> dooglus, I don't know what it is?
[01:09] <EvanCarroll> Equalizer: apt-cache search php5
[01:09] <thr1ce> Equalizer, dunno, apt-cache search php
[01:09] <HrdwrBoB> it's not there
[01:09] <HrdwrBoB> you can only apt-get php4
[01:09] <EvanCarroll> enable the universe
[01:09] <thenuke> gaston_: Seveas already pointed you this, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:09] <selinium> SurveR: what is your native language?
[01:10] <SurveR> spanish
[01:10] <dooglus> gaston_: what is the name of the package you're trying to install?
[01:10] <Equalizer> HrdwrBoB, do you know how to get and install php5
[01:10] <selinium> SurveR : You can try /j #ubuntu-es for spanish users
[01:10] <gaston_> SurveR,  welcome to our klan... Nosotros tambien
[01:10] <SurveR> thx selinium
[01:11] <selinium> SurveR: np :)
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> Equalizer: you have to get source etc
[01:11] <azumanga> I don't seem able to install nvidia-glx in the latest breezy.. is there a fix / different way of doing the nvidia binary driver?
[01:11] <HrdwrBoB> Equalizer: but if you just want php, I am almost certain that php4 will be sufficient
[01:11] <gaston_> dooglus, gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:12] <dooglus> gaston_: I just installed it fine on 'hoary hedgehog'
[01:12] <selinium> Equalizer: HrdwrBoB is right, for most people php4 is fine
[01:13] <nilsl> Is hoary better than warty?
[01:13] <dooglus> nilsl: it's newer...
[01:13] <nilsl> Or uh... Which is the newest?
[01:13] <absinthe_os> nilsl, in short yes
[01:13] <LanShark> hello, im using the live disc instead of installing to find out if i can get my sound working, it appears to be a no go, card = audigy SB, any suggestions?
[01:13] <nilsl> Right.
[01:13] <nilsl> Thx.
[01:13] <dooglus> nilsl: warty < hoary < breezy
[01:13] <gaston_> dooglus, The package what i need is libid3tag0 wich is needed for gstreamer
[01:13] <dooglus> breezy is still in development and isn't recommended
[01:13] <nilsl> dooglus: Okay.
[01:14] <absinthe_os> Is everyone using Breezy now? Am I behind the times again =)
[01:14] <dooglus> gaston_: I did a "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad" and it installed libid3tag for me:
[01:14] <quam> im a noob and don't like taking risks, so i still use hoary :P
[01:14] <dooglus> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main libid3tag0 0.15.1b-3 [34.2kB] 
[01:14] <dooglus> Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe gstreamer0.8-mad 0.8.8-1ubuntu4 [
[01:14] <dooglus> 50.4kB] 
[01:14] <dooglus> Fetched 84.6kB in 0s (95.4kB/s)
[01:14] <azumanga> I just tried going to breezy, but now I can't get any output from my monitor as nvidia binary driver won't install :(
[01:14] <absinthe_os> quam, lol
[01:15] <djs> absinthe_os: Nope (as per the Topic)
[01:15] <dooglus> libid3tag0 is in hoary/main, so I don't think you need to add any more repositories to find it.
[01:15] <dooglus> maybe the mirror you're using is broken?
[01:15] <dooglus> azumanga: check the topic...
[01:15] <absinthe_os> azumanga, look on ubuntuforums in the hoary customization forum for a how-to install latest nvidia drivers
[01:15] <CarlFK> why does my wifi connection keep dropping even though I have 90% signal strenght?
[01:15] <azumanga> Woops, I'm only seeing half the title, should have looked there. Sorry :)
[01:16] <djs> !nvidia
[01:16] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> because your wireless hardware/drivers suck
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> or your AP
[01:16] <dooglus> "PLEASE DON'T USE BREEZY YET"
[01:16] <absinthe_os> or wifi sucks on linux in general
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> absinthe_os: not really
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> absinthe_os: it depends almost entirely on your card
[01:16] <bl4cktone> can I use apt-get to attain kismet?
[01:16] <quam> my wifi seems to be working ok, but only when i boot with the usb wireless device plugged in. if i try to hotplug it after i've already booted, it doesnt work for shit :p
[01:16] <Danar> can anyone help me with missing partitions?
[01:16] <HrdwrBoB> though wireless in linux isn't generally that easy to use
[01:16] <absinthe_os> i know I kid I kid +X
[01:16] <Danar> i have 3 partitions that gparted can see, but don't show up in /dev
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> bl4cktone: yes
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> quam: it doesn't work or it's not configured
[01:17] <LanShark> anyone get audigy sound blaster card to work on ubuntu?
[01:17] <HrdwrBoB> quam: if you just hotplug it, it won't brint up the interface
[01:17] <dooglus> bl4cktone: The following NEW packages will be installed:
[01:17] <dooglus>   ethereal-common kismet libgmp3
[01:17] <Ubuntu> hi i need help with terminal server client
[01:17] <dooglus> kismet is a known package, yes.
[01:17] <gaston_> dooglus, It says that it's unstable
[01:17] <Danar> i was trying to resize one, and they disappeared
[01:17] <dooglus> gaston_: what is unstable?
[01:17] <Danar> (from /dev)
[01:18] <quam> hrdwrbob: im accustomed to plug and play :P after messing with network settings for about 5 minutes, i gave up :P so now i just make sure it's in when i boot :p
[01:18] <CarlFK> I am starting to think it is because I didn't close the Networking props dialog
[01:18] <Tonglebeak> i tried the autodetect thing at https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FixVideoResolutionHowto to fix the resolution, but it ended up corrupting gnome i believe, and it will not start up with a gui now. do i just run the autodetect again in recovery mode?
[01:18] <quam> hrdwrbob: you know, your name is hrdtotyp :P
[01:18] <phanter> hello, I am looking for an easy to configure backup script. I want to backup some folders from a disk to another disk (in the same computer).
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> quam: you know that every IRC client on the face of the planet that coutns has tab completion :)
[01:18] <gaston_> dooglus, The libid3tag
[01:18] <quam> HrdwrBoB, well now, i guess it does :p
[01:18] <HrdwrBoB> Ubuntu: what is yout problem?
[01:18] <phanter> Tonglebeak, that should not be a problem. It will not make things worse ;)
[01:19] <Tonglebeak> thnx
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> phanter: cp -a folders /backup/location :)
[01:19] <quam> HrdwrBoB, i just started irc'ing again after being gone for from irc and linux for about 5 years, just getting settled in again :p
[01:19] <gaston_> dooglus, SORRRY, it didn't say that is unstable... it says that is unavailable
[01:19] <HrdwrBoB> quam: ahr, things have changed :)
[01:19] <Ubuntu> HrdwrBoB: i will remote my xp pc from ubuntu but it will not work
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> Ubuntu: apt-get install rdesktop
[01:20] <HrdwrBoB> also are you sure that remote desktop is available?
[01:20] <danny> how do i remove ubuntu from my hard drive
[01:20] <Jesse1> i have a problem there is no sound in any of the games ive downloaded but sound works fine if i player a mp3 of video
[01:20] <phanter> (HrdwrBoB, i.e.) oke, but I would like a script that I can include in cron and that makes full and incremental backups and stuff... so a bit more powerfull then cp or even a normal tar
[01:20] <Jesse1> or video*
[01:20] <quam> HrdwrBoB, yeah, i have like 5 nice fat linux books from 96/97 and i've noticed that all the cool shit they tell you how to do is stuff that's done automatically now in ubuntu, and all the things i have questions about aren't even in them to the slightest degree :p
[01:20] <danny> how do i remove ubuntu from my hard drive
[01:20] <Danar> danny, why?
[01:20] <visor> hi folks
[01:20] <absinthe_os> quam, linux changes everyday =)
[01:21] <Ubuntu> HrdwrBoB: how do i that? im new with unbuntu
[01:21] <ninwa> danny, Format your drive, I guess. :o)
[01:21] <danny> it is pissing me off. i want windows for some stuff
[01:21] <absinthe_os> danny, delete the partition?
[01:21] <Danar> danny, do you have a livecd?
[01:21] <danny> how would i do those..im a newb
[01:21] <HrdwrBoB> Ubuntu: firstly are you sure remote dekstop is available in windows
[01:21] <danny> no
[01:21] <absinthe_os> danny, why not dual-boot?
[01:21] <Danar> danny, for which?
[01:21] <ninwa> danny, Pop in the windows CD and repartition and format it
[01:21] <CarlFK> danny, you have to take it appart and scrape the iron off the platters ;)
[01:21] <ninwa> the installer is straightforward
[01:21] <danny> ok carl
[01:21] <danny> bastard
[01:21] <danny> ;p;
[01:21] <danny> lol jk*
[01:21] <jd_> hey guys i have a ?
[01:21] <Ubuntu> HrdwrBoB: yes in windows is remote desktop
[01:21] <ninwa> jd_, shoot
[01:21] <CarlFK> tee hee
[01:22] <absinthe_os> jd_, shoot
[01:22] <absinthe_os> jinx
[01:22] <ninwa> lol absinthe_os
[01:22] <jd_> how do i upgrade ubuntu through the root\
[01:22] <ninwa> jd_, what do you mean?
[01:22] <danny> how would i delete the partition??
[01:22] <jd_> how do you get applications
[01:22] <danny> the ubuntu one?
[01:22] <HrdwrBoB> Ubuntu: in synaptic, search for rdesktop and install it
[01:22] <visor> do you guys know a software like gallery to manage images on a webserver but more "easy" to install, i dont have too much privileges on the server :S
[01:23] <Jesse1> danny, just put in the windows cd and follow the stuf fit says to do
[01:23] <ninwa> jd_, Use a package manager like synaptic.
[01:23] <absinthe_os> jd_, Err you mean how do you install programs?
[01:23] <kikkoman> how do i install xine using sudo apt-get?
[01:23] <ninwa> jd_, Or use apt-get manually
[01:23] <ninwa> to upgrade all of your packages, use apt-get upgrade
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> kikkoman: sudo apt-get install xine
[01:23] <Ubuntu> HrdwrBoB: ok i try that
[01:23] <jd_> yes the apt-get
[01:23] <danny> doesnt work
[01:23] <HrdwrBoB> ninwa: dist-upgrade is in almost all circumstances better
[01:23] <Jesse1> danny, it does work
[01:23] <Danar> kikkoman, it's xine-ui in ubuntu
[01:23] <jd_> give me an example how to do that
[01:23] <ninwa> HrdwrBoB, Ah, I wasn't even aware of it, I'm rather new myself, thank you!
[01:23] <absinthe_os> danny, what version of Windows is it?
[01:23] <ninwa> So as HrdwrBoB said, use dist-upgrade then :o)
[01:24] <danny> 98
[01:24] <kikkoman> i installed xine-ui but i don't see it =/
[01:24] <ninwa> kikkoman, Not all applications will create launchers in the menu for you
[01:24] <Danar> kikkoman, run xine
[01:24] <danny> its 98
[01:24] <Jesse1> danny, .... i'd stick with ubuntu
[01:24] <ninwa> kikkoman, so in short, use a terminal to launch it, or create a launcher on your panel
[01:24] <absinthe_os> lol Jesse1
[01:24] <danny> nah id rather not have to mess with crossover or wine
[01:24] <ninwa> by right clicking the panel, create launcher.. etc
[01:24] <danny> they are annoying as hell
[01:24] <Danar> danny, you know, you can run a lot of windows apps on linux with wine or cedega...
[01:24] <absinthe_os> danny, how so?
[01:25] <thenuke> danny: boot to dos with that windows CD
[01:25] <thenuke> and use fdisk to delete all partitions
[01:25] <kikkoman> ok thanks guys its working ;)
[01:25] <Jesse1> danny, download partition magic
[01:25] <ninwa> danny, Like I said earlier, pop in the Windows CD and use it to repartition and format your drive, it's a very straightforward installer.
[01:25] <thenuke> and then create new one for windows
[01:25] <danny> ok w/e then
[01:25] <absinthe_os> He was sort of testing my nerves
[01:25] <absinthe_os> =)
[01:25] <Jesse1> lol
[01:25] <ninwa> Well, everyone here seemed convinced that Linux was for him and demanded he dual-booted or reconsidered.
[01:26] <ninwa> The first reponse should not have been why.
[01:26] <ninwa> That's just my 2c...
[01:26] <absinthe_os> ninwa, welcome to the Ubuntu channel
[01:26] <djs> ninwa: agreed
[01:26] <Ubuntu> HrdwrBoB: it is installed under synapsys
[01:26] <ninwa> abarbaccia, :)
[01:26] <ninwa> er
[01:26] <ninwa> absinthe_os, :)
[01:26] <Danar> nothing wrong with asking why. make sure that's what he wants to do
[01:26] <ninwa> silly tab-complete
[01:26] <absinthe_os> lol ninwa
[01:27] <Jesse1> how does tab complete work?
[01:27] <ninwa> you type in the first characters of their name and hit tab
[01:27] <absinthe_os> So, is everyone using Gnome these days? I've thought about branching out to some other desktops
[01:27] <ninwa> it will (usually) get the rest for you
[01:27] <Cynetix> Can anyone help with XP/Ubuntu dual-boot?
[01:27] <kikkoman> i have another problem...when im viewing movie trailers from apple.com/trailers/ i can't make it go full screen :(
[01:27] <goldfish> absinthe_os: xfce or flux for me.
[01:27] <kvidell> absinthe_os: I use openbox
[01:27] <Jesse1> i see
[01:27] <absinthe_os> cynetix, shoot
[01:27] <Danar> kikkoman, viewing them in xine?
[01:27] <kikkoman> using mplayer plug-in
[01:27] <absinthe_os> goldfish, What's Fluxbox like?
[01:28] <Jesse1> Cynetix, what is the problem your having
[01:28] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: I have Ubuntu installed and it goes through, states it will reboot inot Ubuntu but it never happens
[01:28] <Danar> kikkoman, oh, well that's why
[01:28] <Cynetix> No bootloader, just back into XP
[01:28] <goldfish> absinthe_os: very fast, takes a little bit to get it looking nice, i could never go back to gnome after it.
[01:28] <absinthe_os> Cynetix, Sorry I'm not understanding
[01:28] <Danar> kikkoman, save it somewhere and play it in xine, then you could make it full-screen. though it might not look so great
[01:28] <jd_> ok guys i have the updates how do install them
[01:28] <Cynetix> Ok. I installed it, and it completed. Ejected CD, said it would reboot into Ubuntu. Instead, it booted into XP.
[01:28] <jd_> manuallhy
[01:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> does anyone know of a way to fix my system if i broke it by running dist-upgrade?
[01:29] <absinthe_os> goldfish, Ok, I'll apt it and check it out =)
[01:29] <kikkoman> hmm cause when i don't make it full screen, part of the movie is cut off
[01:29] <absinthe_os> cynetix, maybe the GRUB installer didn't work?
[01:29] <ninwa> jd_, Explain further, I thought your question was answered earlier. To upgrade/install pckages I highly suggest using synaptic package manager.
[01:29] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: I guess. I told it to install Grub to MBR but no boot options, nada
[01:29] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there any way to downgrade in apt-get?
[01:30] <Jesse1> BROKEN_LADDER, i dont think so
[01:30] <EvanCarroll> BROKEN_LADDER: sort of.
[01:30] <goldfish> its messy
[01:30] <kong0> how do i use tgz files?
[01:30] <absinthe_os> Cynetix, Are you in Windows right now?
[01:30] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, in synaptic you can force version...
[01:30] <CarlFK> danny, probably what you really want to do is isntall something else over the top of it
[01:30] <absinthe_os> Cynetix, same pc?
[01:30] <thenuke> jd_: apt-get update updates  and apt-get upgrade upgraders
[01:30] <goldfish> kong0: what is it?
[01:30] <EvanCarroll> BROKEN_LADDER: if you don't run apt-get clean, you still have the old debs, and you can dpkg -i them
[01:30] <kong0> i need to install it
[01:30] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: However, let me preface that by saying it's installed on the second drive in my system on a SATA controller.
[01:30] <kong0> its cedega
[01:30] <Jesse1> kong0, you need to extract them then install
[01:30] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: The one I'm talking with you now on yes :)
[01:30] <absinthe_os> cynetix, yikes outta my league
[01:31] <thenuke> jd_: google also gives answers to simple questions like these
[01:31] <kong0> well i cant just click on it and install thats the problem
[01:31] <ninwa> kong0, decompress it using tar -xvzf and then read the installation directions
[01:31] <ninwa> read tar --help for what each option does
[01:31] <Danar> kong0, .tgz is a compressed/zipped file
[01:31] <absinthe_os> cynetix, All I can suggest is trying to re-do the installation of Ubuntu
[01:31] <Danar> you have to extract it first
[01:31] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: Do you know an easy way to make a boot floppy from windows so I can see if it can be accessed that way?
[01:31] <kong0> i KNOW
[01:32] <ninwa> kong0, Then be more precise, what is the problem?
[01:32] <kong0> that god damn command doesnt even work
[01:32] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: Heh, it's been reinstalled 12 times. I started out with Mandrake and finally gave up :)
[01:32] <ninwa> Doesn't work is vague, I don't read minds.
[01:32] <kong0> im going crazy here
[01:32] <absinthe_os> cynetix, eww sorry man =(
[01:32] <Jesse1> kong0, the command does work u not using it properly
[01:32] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: That
[01:32] <kong0> how should I use it then?
[01:32] <ninwa> im going crazy too, brb need some more caffiene
[01:33] <Ubuntu> HrdwrBoB:and now
[01:33] <ninwa> try adding the filename to the end of it, and make sure you're in the directory that the file is in
[01:33] <shaun_> How do I switch totem and rhythm box to use xine-lib rather than gstreamer?
[01:33] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: That's cool. I appreciate the attempt :) Hopefully someone on the Ubuntu board will be able to help...someday :)
[01:33] <Danar> kong0, properly. i hear man pages can be helpful.
[01:33] <absinthe_os> cynetix, have you checked www.ubuntuguide.org ?
[01:34] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: yeah, I have the wiki guide for dual-boot as well. None really address my particular situation.
[01:34] <absinthe_os> cynetix, well you can use boot: rescue to gain root priviliges with the ubuntu cd, and reinstall GRUB manually
[01:34] <kong0> well THX alot for that...
[01:35] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: Hmm. How do I do that or do you have a guide for it?
[01:35] <Danar> kong0, try right clicking it in nautilus, and uncompressing it from the context menu
[01:35] <kong0> nautilus?
[01:35] <Danar> the file manager
[01:35] <kong0> ...
[01:35] <absinthe_os> cynetix, well boot with ubuntu cd, when the "boot:" entry comes up type in "rescue"
[01:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> Danar how can i force a version in synaptic?
[01:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> Danar and which version should i use to be on the safe side?
[01:35] <absinthe_os> cynetix, then use command "grub-install /dev/hd#" where # is your hd name and partition
[01:36] <CarlK> something is funky... good signal strength, box and card work fine on my home AP, but here i sudenly loose my IP after a few min
[01:36] <Jesse1> kong0, to use the command u do tar -xvzf <file>
[01:36] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, which version of what? i didn't see what was said before that
[01:36] <ninwa> I'm back.
[01:36] <kong0> ive already tried that and it doesnt work
[01:36] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: Ok. Do you know a way to get df info from CD? It only returns temp info.
[01:36] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, click the package, and press CTRL+E
[01:36] <kong0> damned it...
[01:36] <ninwa> I have "Right Here Right Now" by U2 stuck in my head.
[01:36] <ninwa> kong0, What's the response when you try it?
[01:36] <kong0> would be fun if ppl listnen to me
[01:36] <Jesse1> kong0, did u cd to the directory
[01:37] <kong0> ? cd?
[01:37] <absinthe_os> cynetix, sorry don't know about that
[01:37] <Jesse1> kong0, cd <path>
[01:37] <ninwa> kong0, Assuming you downloaded it to your desktop
[01:37] <ninwa> cd ~/Desktop
[01:37] <ninwa> then try unextracting it
[01:37] <Jesse1> kong0, then try tar -xvzf <file>
[01:37] <djs> Cynetix: Just wondering if the issue could it be a BIOS setting of some sort?
[01:37] <kong0> i already have extracted it manually outside the console
[01:37] <absinthe_os> cynetix, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#restoregrubmenuafterwindowsinstallation
[01:38] <absinthe_os> Cynetix, maybe that helps?
[01:38] <Jesse1> kong0, now there should be a file called readme now read that and follow the instructions
[01:38] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, or click the package, then click the Package menu > Force Version....
[01:38] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: Hmm. I wouldn't think it was the BIOS 1024 issue because my box is barely 6 months old and it's SATA instead of IDE but I could be mistaken.
[01:38] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, doesn't work for every package though
[01:38] <ninwa> One wonders how you managed to install Linux without some basic understanding of directory structures and a little knowledge of shell commands...
[01:38] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, depends what's available in the repository
[01:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> ninwa right here right now is not from U2 for the love of god.
[01:39] <kong0> no no readme
[01:39] <ninwa> BROKEN_LADDER, The mp3 I have is, I never claimed that they were the first to sing it. :o)
[01:39] <Ubuntu> can someone help me with rdesktop i will remote my xp pc from ubuntu but it will not works
[01:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how do you clean up the k menu in kubuntu?
[01:39] <ninwa> BROKEN_LADDER, Out of curiosity though, who did?
[01:39] <absinthe_os> Ubuntu, is english your first language?
[01:40] <thenuke> absinthe_os: why do you bother asking something like that when you know that it is not, and you can do /whois
[01:40] <Cynetix> absinthe_os: I'll use this and maybe be able to work through. We'll see what happens :) Thanks for your time and suggestions. Later.
[01:40] <Mez> hmm
[01:40] <kong0> no readme at all
[01:40] <absinthe_os> cynetix, later and no prob
[01:40] <Mez> I jsut isntalled dbian onto my USB hdd
[01:40] <ninwa> kong0, is there an INSTALL file?
[01:40] <ninwa> those are usually text instructions
[01:40] <absinthe_os> thenuke, it's called being friendly
[01:40] <Mez> didnt isntall grub to the master HDD because otherwise it'd need my USB one installed
[01:40] <Ubuntu> absinthe_os: no dutch but when i go to #ubuntu-nl will not help mmmmmmmm
[01:40] <GNULinuxer> absinthe_os> he's from Africa
[01:40] <Mez> how do i make the ubuntu grub detect the debain install
[01:40] <Mez> or do i just edit the grub file manually
[01:40] <Jesse1> kong0, are you sure?
[01:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> Danar i don't even see mplayer in the list in synaptic
[01:41] <kong0> how would the install file look like?
[01:41] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, might need to add universe or multiverse to your repository list
[01:41] <CarlK> in "Network settings" dialog,  what is command line version of "Activate"?
[01:42] <GNULinuxer> CarlK> ifup
[01:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> Danar no..that's all in my sources.list
[01:42] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, Settings > Repositories > Add > check universe/multiverse. reload package info
[01:42] <CarlK> GNULinuxer, thanks
[01:42] <Jesse1> kong0, there is no simple click install file you need to run the commands
[01:42] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, then search for mplayer
[01:42] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, prolly mplayer-586
[01:42] <ninwa> Ubuntu, There is an application called Real VNC that you can download and install on both Windows and Linux and it will allow you to do remote PC controlling, perhaps you should give it a try.
[01:43] <kong0> ffs WHAT are the commands?how do i know that?
[01:43] <kong0> thara are NO readme
[01:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know how to seperate the menu items in ubuntu/kubuntu?
[01:43] <ninwa> kong0, try ./configure && make && make install
[01:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so that when in kde only kde items show up?
[01:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> Danar i can't install it.
[01:43] <Ubuntu> ninwa: thnx i will try that
[01:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> Danar in synaptic, there is no mplayer anything in the list.
[01:43] <Danar> kong0, there are readmes: 'man tar', 'man unzip'
[01:43] <kong0> what is && stand for?
[01:44] <Jesse1> kong0, && is so after if finsihes one command it will go on to the next
[01:44] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, a search for 'mplayer' turns up 11 results for me
[01:44] <Xenguy> kong0: it means don't execute the 2nd command unless the 1st command completes cleanly
[01:44] <Danar> (searching in name)
[01:44] <ninwa> Ubuntu, You're Welcome
[01:45] <absinthe_os> afk
[01:45] <ninwa> Or rather, Bitte Schon :o)
[01:45] <shaun_> How do I make Totem movie player use xine-lib rather than gstreamer? Please help
[01:46] <Danar> BROKEN_LADDER, if you don't see it, then your sources.list is wrong. add it the way i said above
[01:46] <kong0> lol
[01:46] <kong0> im going windows
[01:46] <Razor-X> ah hah!
[01:46] <Razor-X> C'est la Eterm!
[01:47] <Razor-X> maybe I do need to down the brightness on this a shade....
[01:47] <Jesse1> Razor-X, what does that mean?
[01:47] <Razor-X> "This is Eterm"
[01:47] <Jesse1> ok
[01:48] <Jesse1> i have a problem there is no sound in any of the games ive downloaded but sound works fine if i player a mp3 of video
[01:48] <thenuke> C'est la vie
[01:48] <Razor-X> what kind of games?
[01:48] <goldfish_> That's life !!!!!!!!!
[01:48] <absinthe_os> jesse1, in console type "killall esd" before starting a game
[01:48] <thenuke> :-] 
[01:48] <Razor-X> thenuke: C'est la grande vie?
[01:48] <goldfish_> Je suis un homo.
[01:48] <Jesse1> absinthe_os, ill try that
[01:48] <Razor-X> un homo, et, unhomosexual?
[01:49] <Razor-X> *un homosexual
[01:49] <Razor-X> ah ah, je comprende
[01:49] <goldfish_> wee wee.
[01:49] <^thehatsrule^> lol...
[01:50] <Jesse1> absinthe_os, well that worked :) what does esd stand for?
[01:50] <djs> !esd
[01:50] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, esd is Enlightened Sound Daemon. By using a sound server to access your sound device, multiple applications can connect to the server at once and all make noise simultaneously.
[01:50] <Razor-X> and eterm isn't giving me troubles with C-b
[01:50] <Razor-X> Jesse1: Epiphany Sound Daemon
[01:50] <absinthe_os> jesse1, enlightened sound daemon
[01:50] <Danar> ElectroStatic Discharge :p
[01:50] <Razor-X> I thought it was Epiphany
[01:50] <Danar> (a shock)
[01:51] <Razor-X> ubotu: that's not the purpose of a sound server
[01:51] <ubotu> No idea, Razor-X
[01:51] <absinthe_os> Jesse1, Right now ubuntu uses ESD as it's sound server, and I guess it's kind of buggy
[01:51] <Razor-X> a sound server is the implementation of sound in a server-client environment
[01:51] <absinthe_os> jesse1, I've heard they're going to work on it for Breezy
[01:51] <ninwa> Man, I remember complaining about Linux only being able to play one thing at a time and I came up with this AWESOME idea of making a server that would handle the applications requests, and act as a software mixer, and when I told people in #linux they all laughed...
[01:51] <ninwa> Then I found out about esd...
[01:51] <ninwa> =/
[01:51] <Razor-X> special devices (alsa's dmix) allow the sound server to manage simeltaneous music streams
[01:51] <Jesse1> absinthe_os, ok but now atleast now i can get it to work
[01:51] <Razor-X> ninwa: ;)
[01:52] <Razor-X> I don't think Arts supports that by default, unfortantely
[01:52] <absinthe_os> Jesse1, Glad I could help =)
[01:52] <Varanger> crimsun: hi
[01:52] <Jesse1> now i just have to figure out why it crashes when flying toaster screen saver comes on
[01:53] <nitrox> how do i apt-get install emacs
[01:53] <absinthe_os> jesse1, lol that I'm not sure about
[01:53] <Varanger> nitrox: sudo apt-get install emacs
[01:53] <ninwa> nitrox, Your answer is in your question!
[01:54] <Razor-X> nitrox: i'll get it for you
[01:54] <Razor-X> Varanger: nopes ;)
[01:54] <Razor-X> do you want it in a Console, or X?
[01:54] <Razor-X> (I prefer it in Console meself)
[01:54] <Varanger> Razor-X: why? :(
[01:54] <nitrox> it said emacs as no installation candidate
[01:54] <CarlK> wifi scanner - k?sm?t - what are the volues?
[01:54] <Razor-X> nitrox: do you want it in Console or x?
[01:55] <Razor-X> *X
[01:55] <nitrox> in X
[01:55] <Razor-X> Varanger: cuz I said so! ;)
[01:55] <Razor-X> nitrox: sudo apt-get install emacs-21
[01:55] <nitrox> couldn't find package is the message i get
[01:55] <ninwa> its emacs21
[01:55] <Jesse1> Razor-X, theres no 0
[01:55] <ninwa> not -21
[01:55] <Varanger> Razor-X: ohh, I see you are right now
[01:55] <Jesse1> Razor-X, theres no -*
[01:55] <Razor-X> errr, emacs21, there you are
[01:55] <absinthe_os> has anyone tried arch-linux>
[01:55] <absinthe_os> ?
[01:56] <Razor-X> absinthe_os: nopes
[01:56] <rob^> anyone know where I can get export_divx4.so from?
[01:56] <Razor-X> I prefer the Console version meself
[01:56] <ninwa> nitrox, Consider using Synaptic from now on.
[01:56] <ninwa> It has a built in search feature.
[01:56] <Razor-X> and, it seems Konsole sometimes seems to not work with C-b
[01:56] <nitrox> I will
[01:56] <kong0> ok NOW i got it workign
[01:56] <Razor-X> ninwa: why reccomend a GUI utility?
[01:56] <nitrox> I will get to apt-get another time
[01:56] <kong0> i ectracted it and where did it go?
[01:56] <Razor-X> isn't it easy to aptitude search?
[01:56] <Razor-X> or sudo apt-cache search
[01:56] <absinthe_os> I like Ubuntu but it's somewhat sluggish. I'm a crazy minimalist
[01:56] <Razor-X> but, the former doesen't need root privileges
[01:56] <Jesse1> kong0, it would have went to the folder the tar was in
[01:57] <absinthe_os> I've thought about trying Arch, I've heard it blazes
[01:57] <Razor-X> absinthe_os: i'm assuming you do everything in command-line/
[01:57] <Razor-X> *?
[01:57] <aty> i know this is a really stupid question, but how do you excute a .bin file which is a self extracting shell script, because i am trying to install a jave runtime enviorment
[01:57] <absinthe_os> Razor-X, For the most part yes
[01:57] <aty> ?
[01:57] <kong0> well thats strange cus it isnt..
[01:57] <Razor-X> absinthe_os: then, use Debian proper
[01:57] <dooglus> aty: "su sdfsdfsd.bin"
[01:57] <absinthe_os> Razor-X, What is "proper"?
[01:57] <aty> ohhh ok
[01:57] <Jesse1> kong0, where could have it gone?
[01:58] <Razor-X> if you don't want an X manager, but still want multitasking and desktop environmentns, install twin
[01:58] <aty> il try that, thanks
[01:58] <dooglus> aty: "sh sdfsdfsd.bin"
[01:58] <Razor-X> absinthe_os: a figure of speech
[01:58] <dooglus> sorry.
[01:58] <thenuke> absinthe_os: well, you can customize ubuntu to be whatever you want it to be
[01:58] <kong0> sudo tar -zxvf /home/kong0/Torrents/cedega/cedega_4.3_tgz/cedega_4.3-1.i386.tgz
[01:58] <dooglus> sh, not su, sorry.  this new keyboard is horrible.
[01:58] <thenuke> absinthe_os: it definately is sluggish if you have old PC
[01:58] <Razor-X> but, if you want X, I suggest something like TWM or Ratpoison, or something
[01:58] <ninwa> Razor-X, It's more manageable in Synaptic IMHO. It's a matter of preference, if you can't agree with that, then well... :o)
[01:58] <absinthe_os> thenuke, Yeah, like I said I love Ubuntu, I just wish Gnome was a bit quicker
[01:58] <ninwa> Users want friendliness, Windows became popular for a reason, you know.
[01:58] <Razor-X> ninwa: GUI itself is a bit clunky, in my opinion
[01:58] <Jesse1> kong0, it should be in the folder cedega_tgz
[01:59] <ninwa> Maybe that was a bad analogy, though, haha.
[01:59] <kong0> absinthe os u dont HAVE to have gnome u know..o could have blackbox
[01:59] <thenuke> absinthe_os: try fluxbox
[01:59] <kong0> i know
[01:59] <Razor-X> yeah, i'm a have to tone down the brightness on my eterm background
[01:59] <absinthe_os> Razor-X, Are you suggesting I drop a gui completely lol
[01:59] <kong0> but it isnt
[01:59] <ninwa> absinthe_os, Yeah, go for it! Who needs X.
[01:59] <Razor-X> absinthe_os: TWM for ultra-minimalistic
[01:59] <kong0> should i run the command again?
[01:59] <absinthe_os> thenuke, ok I will =)
[01:59] <Razor-X> absinthe_os: your choice, like I said TWM for ultra minimalistic, XFce for something inbetween
[01:59] <absinthe_os> thenuke, I've heard of it
[01:59] <Razor-X> ewww, Flux looks nasty
[02:00] <Jesse1> kong0, go to the tar and right click it then push extract here
[02:00] <Razor-X> Enlightenment uses the same amount of resources, and is waaay better looking
[02:00] <dooglus> Razor-X: you can make it look slightly less nasty
[02:00] <kong0> ok wait i think i found it
[02:00] <thenuke> absinthe_os: yup, i'm sure you will just LOVE it :) if you can handle a bit tweaking and configuring with console without the help of GUI
[02:00] <kong0> /home/usr
[02:00] <Razor-X> dooglus: yeah, but, Enlightenment, if configured, is a billion times better than Fluxbox ;)
[02:00] <BrianHH> Hi, everyone.  I'm trying to install xchat 2.4.3, but it's not working.  The install doesn't build the GTK or text interfaces, and no xchat binary gets built.  Can someone help me out?
[02:01] <absinthe_os> thenuke, I love tweaking and configuring :D
[02:01] <kong0> however there still are no readme
[02:01] <absinthe_os> lol
[02:01] <dooglus> Razor-X: enlightenment always struck me as being fur coat and no knickers
[02:01] <Jesse1> kong0, well you should really buy the software
[02:01] <kong0> i know but hey im 30 $ back
[02:01] <Octane> whats the command to find out whats using something
[02:01] <Danar> kong0, if you don't want to buy it there's the cvs version
[02:02] <kong0> lol
[02:02] <kong0> wine?
[02:02] <thenuke> absinthe_os: great =)
[02:02] <CarlK> Octane, lsof?
[02:02] <dooglus> Octane: fuser?
[02:02] <Danar> no, cvscedega: http://winecvs.linux-gamers.net/index.php/Main_Page
[02:02] <Octane> CarlK, thank you!
[02:02] <kong0> danar does it work then?
[02:02] <hadone> will ubuntu support my smc ez connect wireless card?
[02:02] <Octane> is cedega better than wine
[02:02] <absinthe_os> octane, use "system monitor" applications->system tools->system monitor
[02:03] <scott> a lot of times when I change songs or skip forward (also in movies) in totem and other players I hear a loud screech. anyone else get that or know how to get rid of it?
[02:03] <absinthe_os> octane, for gaming yes
[02:03] <Danar> kong0, apparently it lacks a few features the paid version has
[02:03] <yoda> 1
[02:03] <CarlK> dhcp says "renewal in 235353 seconds." but it only lasts about 500 seconds, and then my IP goes away
[02:03] <Danar> but they end up in cvscedega eventually
[02:03] <absinthe_os> thenuke, what about IceVM?
[02:03] <kong0> how do i install that?
[02:03] <absinthe_os> thenuke, err iceWM
[02:03] <Danar> cedega isn't _better_ than wine, it's just better for games. wine is better for general apps
[02:03] <Danar> kong0, check the page
[02:03] <thenuke> anatole: I havent tried that
[02:04] <kong0> danar: are there any readmes or sunthin? maybe ubunutguide has the commands?
[02:04] <thenuke> absinthe_os: I havent tried that
[02:04] <ThE__OnE> hi all
[02:04] <Danar> kong0, here's a suggestion: try reading the page!
[02:04] <Jesse1> kong0, if you check the site theres a tutorial on it about 4 lines down
[02:04] <Varanger> how do I change the language spellchecker in Ubuntu?
[02:04] <absinthe_os> thenuke, I'll just try out several of them and see what snags me
[02:04] <absinthe_os> thenuke, checking out flux now
[02:04] <thenuke> absinthe_os: XFCE is another lightweight thing what _many_ loves
[02:04] <absinthe_os> later
[02:04] <Varanger> how do I change the language spellchecker in Ubuntu's OpenOffice.org ?
[02:05] <Jesse1> Varanger, you need to download the dictionarys from openoffice.org
[02:05] <Varanger> then?
[02:05] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there a way to tell mplayer to use esd?
[02:05] <Varanger> Jesse1: then?
[02:05] <thenuke> flux is a bit lighter than XFCE as far as I know, but if you are dealing with more than pentium 100MHz and so on.. you could try XFCE also
[02:05] <kong0> danar here's a question: What Site?
[02:05] <Octane> anyone elese having problems with cvs wine on amd64
[02:05] <Danar> "Danar no, cvscedega: http://winecvs.linux-gamers.net/index.php/Main_Page"
[02:06] <Jesse1> Varanger, theres instructions ive forgot i can get them for you
[02:06] <concept10> BROKEN_LADDER, try using the multimedia systems selector
[02:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> figured it out.
[02:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> sweet
[02:06] <BROKEN_LADDER> mplayer -ao esd
[02:07] <jd_> hi
[02:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> my matrix I rip is workin! yayyy
[02:07] <hadone> will ubuntu support my smc ez connect wireless card?
[02:07] <BROKEN_LADDER> ogg theora looks pretty damn good.
[02:08] <Danar> yeh, and it's open :)
[02:08] <ThE__OnE> how can i reinstall ubuntu to its original state
[02:08] <Varanger> ho do I start ubuntu in console mode ?
[02:09] <Ubuntu> ninwa:
[02:09] <ninwa> Yes?
[02:09] <absinthe_os> thenuke, fluxbox is sweeeeeeeeeeet
[02:09] <kong0> Danar: how was i supposed to see the command for cvscedega?
[02:09] <kong0> without paying...
[02:09] <CarlK> hadone, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards?highlight=%28network%29
[02:09] <ninwa> Ubuntu: Yes?
[02:10] <Danar> kong0, well, they mention it on the site (transgaming)
[02:10] <Danar> the makers of cedega
[02:10] <kong0> i cant just go in there and get the command u know
[02:10] <Danar> or, if you had found that linux gamer site...
[02:10] <Ubuntu> ninwa: i have installed vnc in xp should also do this in ubuntu?
[02:10] <Jesse1> Varanger, http://lingucomponent.openoffice.org/download_dictionary.html
[02:10] <CarlK> are there any #channels for wifi on linux like stuff?
[02:10] <hadone> thank CarlK
[02:10] <ninwa> Ubuntu, at least install the client in Linux, and you should be able to connect to the Windows machine running the server.
[02:11] <ThE__OnE> how can i reinstall ubuntu to its original state
[02:11] <CarlK> hadone, I have had much better luck with Ubuntu and odd wifi cards
[02:11] <cthulfuego> Ubuntu (Gnome) comes with the client.
[02:11] <kong0> ahh lol danar ur just to much
[02:11] <ninwa> There you go. :o)
[02:11] <Danar> kong0, personally, i found cvscedega mentioned on the transgaming site, and googled it, and found that linux gamer site
[02:11] <ninwa> I didn't know that.
[02:11] <hadone> odd? like off brand?
[02:11] <cthulfuego> it even comes with a Windows Remote Desktop client.
[02:12] <Varanger> Jesse1: thx !
[02:12] <Varanger> ho do I start ubuntu in console mode ?
[02:12] <Ubuntu> ninwa: ok
[02:12] <Victus> where can I get intel display drivers?
[02:12] <ThE__OnE> anyone help me
[02:12] <cthulfuego> Victus: They're already on your syste,/
[02:12] <rob^> does ubuntu have a dumbed down version of transcode? It doesnt seem to contain the divx .so 's
[02:13] <kong0> danar: i open the WineCVS.sh file with less and nothinh happens
[02:13] <Danar> Varanger, try ctrl+alt+f1 to get to a console if you want. ctrl+alt+f7 to get back
[02:13] <Victus> do I have to use dpkg?
[02:13] <Danar> kong0, you didn't 'open' it with less, you displayed it with less. it's a script, which you want to execute. this is indicated by the '.sh'
[02:14] <Danar> kong0, in the same dir as the file, type 'chmod +x <filename>' to make it executable, then type ./<filename> to run it
[02:14] <Varanger> Danar: thx!
[02:14] <Danar> Varanger, np
[02:14] <kong0> i never got the file
[02:14] <kong0> danar
[02:14] <Varanger> Victus: which card do you have?
[02:15] <Danar> Varanger, there's also f2, etc
[02:15] <kong0> danar: when i opened with less nothing happened
[02:15] <Danar> kong0, then how did you display it with less?
[02:16] <Danar> kong0, save WineCVS.sh to your home dir or somewhere handy. open a terminal window and make sure you're in that dir. then do what i said above
[02:17] <Danar> kong0, alternatively, you could bother to actually read the page where it's all explained in detail
[02:17] <Jesse1> Varanger, also you might want to look at this software http://ooodi.sourceforge.net/
[02:17] <kong0> aight
[02:18] <Jesse1> hmmmm for some reason the apps ive installed are appearing in the application list
[02:20] <kong0> Danar: lol forgot to mention this is my secind day with llinux so i dont even understand a quarter of the instructions posted in that readme file
[02:20] <cthulfuego> kong0: better start reading then.
[02:20] <CarlK> is there a way to run ifdown && ifup when my IP evaporates?
[02:20] <cthulfuego> CarlK: evaporates?
[02:20] <Jesse1> kong0, check out the guide as well if your new http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[02:20] <Danar> kong0, you ought to be able to simply follow the instructions. copy & paste the commands, etc...
[02:21] <we2by> looks like I can't access smb shared folder ona  remote machine in a lan
[02:21] <CarlK> cthulfuego, like just now, my pings tuned into "ping: sendmsg: Network is unreachable"
[02:21] <Danar> for the most part, if you follow the instructions properly, you shouldn't have a problem
[02:21] <ThE__OnE> anyone help me
[02:22] <Jesse1> ThE__OnE, what is your problem
[02:22] <kong0> are u saying im supposed to type ALL thoose commands couse i didnt get that...
[02:22] <CarlK> cthulfuego, and ifocnfig doesn't show an IP, but the "signal stength" stays at 90%
[02:22] <Jesse1> kong0, the instructions are preety basic
[02:22] <LanShark> anyone get audigy sound blaster card to work on ubuntu?
[02:23] <we2by> I have problem with smb
[02:23] <kong0> well an answer would be even more basic for me...
[02:23] <Danar> kong0, just follow the directions. if you don't want to type them, there's always copy & paste
[02:23] <LanShark> ... ?audigy 2
[02:23] <we2by> a few days ago it still works fine
[02:23] <Danar> kong0, just highlight it, then middle-click to paste
[02:23] <kong0> middle click?
[02:24] <Lafitte-> we2by, how many guesses to finish your description ?
[02:24] <ninwa> That'd be the button between the left and right button, on your mouse.
[02:24] <CarlK> kong0,  or both right+left if you dn';t have a middle
[02:24] <Jesse1> kong0, your mouse has a scroller right? then u bust that down
[02:24] <ninwa> Usually a scroll-wheel. :o)
[02:24] <Octane> anyone else here having problems with xine?
[02:24] <we2by> I typed smb://10.0.0.5/smb in nautilus
[02:24] <ninwa> Nope, I use mplayer.
[02:24] <kong0> i have a laptop so..
[02:25] <Octane> ninwa, but kaffeine uses xine
[02:25] <Lafitte-> Octane,  yes mine tacks when i play movies
[02:25] <kong0> i dont even have mouse
[02:25] <we2by> it says destination not found or folder deleted
[02:25] <Danar> kong0, yeh, the scroll wheel is also a button. if you don't have one, then both buttons at the same time should do it
[02:25] <kong0> ibm t40
[02:25] <Octane> Lafitte-, tacks?
[02:25] <Jesse1> kong0, you can right click then push paste
[02:25] <ThE__OnE> how can i reinstall ubuntu to its original state
[02:25] <we2by> Lafitte-, any idea?
[02:25] <Danar> heh
[02:25] <Jesse1> ThE__OnE, formate and reinstall
[02:25] <kong0> well should i copy it all at once?
[02:25] <Lafitte-> Octane,  how do you describe a screen that pauses randomly while watching it ?
[02:25] <Jesse1> kong0, depends on what your copying
[02:25] <Danar> kong0, copy all what? i just told you how to copy commands...
[02:25] <ThE__OnE> when i try to go the insall again it says that some error like dlete my drive, but i already deleted it
[02:26] <ThE__OnE> how do if format
[02:26] <Danar> (for commands)
[02:26] <ThE__OnE> how do i format
[02:27] <Danar> kong0, seriously, it shouldn't be to difficult to follow the instructions. just read carefully, and copy & paste the commands so you don't make mistakes
[02:27] <Lafitte-> Octane,  maybe the term skips   but i think it is the software glitch  not hardware
[02:27] <kong0> well i paste the commands press enter and nothing happens
[02:28] <Octane> Lafitte-, i dunno, my kaffeine just crashes, i cant get shit to play in xine and xine-engine in amarok also crashes
[02:28] <Danar> kong0, where'd you paste it?
[02:28] <kong0> in terminal
[02:29] <Lafitte-> Octane,  oh  mine doesnt crash   mine ust per say skips/tacks  however you say it
[02:29] <Danar> kong0, are you sure it's supposed to have any output?
[02:29] <robertj> anyone here have any suggestions on a no-fuss reasonably light laptop with a good display that won't break the bank?
[02:29] <kong0> hmmm output? u mean effects? i dont know
[02:30] <kong0> im taking one line at a time
[02:30] <Octane> Lafitte-, i think my issue may be a sound issue
[02:30] <robertj> I looked at Office Depot's $500 machine, and its a pretty good deal, but I couldn't find squat about user experiences and the display wasn't great and I would have had to up the memory myself
[02:31] <Danar> kong0, no, i mean output. it can have effects without output
[02:31] <Danar> 'it' being a command
[02:31] <Octane> man ubuntu is so much bette rthan fedora
[02:31] <Octane> not as many newbies
[02:32] <Octane> and at least the ubuntu newbies are not totally retarded
[02:32] <Octane> (myself including)
[02:32] <Octane> included*
[02:32] <Jesse1> kong0, just keep going untill you finsih all the commands and if you followed the correctly it will work
[02:32] <kong0> alright
[02:33] <kong0> its an awful lot of cammands thou
[02:33] <Jesse1> kong0, well it needs them for a reason
[02:33] <Danar> well, gl. i'm out
[02:33] <kong0> would it do any difference if i type them in the root terminal?
[02:34] <robertj> Octane: actually, the Ubuntu newbies are probably not able to IRC
[02:34] <Octane> anyone here successfully install wine lately on an amd64 box
[02:34] <Octane> robertj, lol
[02:34] <robertj> Anyone buy a laptop recently that they are happy with?
[02:35] <ninwa> Laptops are too pricey for me to be happy with any of them.
[02:35] <Jesse1> kong0, what are u putting in to the terminal?
[02:35] <ninwa> That plus the inability to customize makes me squeemish.
[02:35] <Octane> robertj, Dell's are great
[02:35] <robertj> ninwa: They had a decent one for $500 today at Office Depot
[02:35] <ninwa> I wonder what the specs were.
[02:35] <robertj> Octane: I'm sellling my Dell tomorrow, tis been good but its aging
[02:35] <Octane> anyone here have a palm pilot they're happy with that works with Kontact
[02:35] <robertj> ninwa: 1.4 gig Celeron with 256 megs of ram, DVD/CDRW and internal A/b/g
[02:35] <robertj> maybe just b/g, can't remember
[02:36] <robertj> but the display wasn't great, and I couldn't find out from anyone wether mobile celeron supported speed steppign
[02:36] <Danar> kong0, here's a tip. ubuntu is based on debian, so if it says something should work for debian, it'll prolly work for ubuntu as well
[02:36] <ninwa> if only it were 512 mb of RAM it'd be a good steal I think
[02:36] <concept10> Octane, I had it work with Kontact before
[02:36] <robertj> also it had a bajillion mail in rebates
[02:36] <ThE__OnE> how do i format
[02:36] <Danar> just read the pages. gl
[02:36] <Danar> nite
[02:36] <Octane> concept10, which one
[02:36] <CarlK> kismet problem: http://rafb.net/paste/results/BLuNOB36.html
[02:36] <concept10> Octane Palm Tungsten E
[02:36] <Jesse1> ThE__OnE, do you have a windows xp cd?
[02:37] <ThE__OnE> yes
[02:37] <ThE__OnE> i haev to format therough there?
[02:37] <Jesse1> ThE__OnE, well thats the easyest way to do it
[02:37] <ThE__OnE> i cant do it from ubuntu?
[02:37] <ThE__OnE> hmm
[02:37] <scott> of the services like itunes music styore, which works in linux?
[02:37] <Jesse1> ThE__OnE, you cant formate i drive your currently using
[02:38] <concept10> Octane, well just buy me the ipod and get something else for yourself
[02:38] <Octane> LOL
[02:38] <Octane> my frend got an m:robe
[02:38] <Lafitte-> how do i kill mplayer if it is locked up ?
[02:38] <Octane> the olympus one
[02:38] <Jesse1> Lafitte-, killall esd
[02:39] <concept10> bbl, going to get some food
[02:39] <ThE__OnE> i know that, i mean cant you do a comand for it to format when it reboots
[02:39] <scott> Octane: any good? I like the simplicity of the ipod
[02:39] <Lafitte-> Jesse1,  doesnt take the screens away
[02:39] <Octane> scott, its really attractive, its pretty usable, but i think the ipod still wins.
[02:39] <Octane> i only saw the m:robe camera version
[02:39] <Octane> not the smaller one
[02:39] <robertj> Octane: I recommend the shuffle to most everyone
[02:39] <Lafitte-> how do i see the running process ?
[02:40] <robertj> my sister bought one today. She was looking at armbands for her older rev iPod so she could go to the gym and I was like "Don't do that."
[02:40] <Octane> robertj, one of my coworkers got it the other day, i helped her with it and she was jubilant
[02:40] <Octane> its nice
[02:40] <robertj> It's the only piece of iCrap that I think is worth the money
[02:40] <Octane> but too little space for me
[02:40] <Jesse1> Lafitte-,  killall -i i think
[02:40] <robertj> that and the iBooks are good notebooks if a bit pricey
[02:40] <Jesse1> no killall -l
[02:40] <Octane> i have lots of audio books and The Teaching Company lecture s-- thats why i want an mp3 player
[02:41] <scott> so no recommendations on a music store that works in linux?
[02:42] <Octane> scott, torrents :)
[02:42] <Octane> :X
[02:42] <robertj> scott: or better yet, any recommendations on a p2p client with gaim integration?
[02:42] <Octane> with gaim integration? no such thing
[02:43] <Octane> who uses p2p networks anymore? torrents are the way to go imo
[02:43] <robertj> Does gnutella2 offer any way to password protect entry onto a p2p net?
[02:43] <magog> torents are bad...copyright infringement gives BT a bad name...and we all know for legal distribution like linux iso's BT is great
[02:43] <ninwa> Octane, I use gtk-gnutella quite a bit.
[02:43] <robertj> I want to have a private net for me and my friends to do private business on.
[02:43] <ninwa> Torrents are great for large files though, like videos
[02:43] <ninwa> www.systm.org
[02:43] <ninwa> distributes its videos via BT
[02:44] <BrianHH> Hi, everyone.  Can someone tell me the repository to get xchat-2.4.3 off of?
[02:44] <robertj> BrianHH: what do you need an xchat upgrade for?
[02:44] <magog> what does it have new in 2.4.3?
[02:44] <robertj> just curious
[02:44] <ninwa> BrianHH, You'll probably have to get it from the website.
[02:44] <ninwa> The repositories maintain stable releases, not bleeding edge :)
[02:45] <BrianHH> robertj:  I just wanted to upgrade is all.  :)  I tried compiling from source on the xchat site, but I'm getting too many compiling errors.  I thought I'd make life easy on myself by having synaptic take care of the dependencies.
[02:46] <robertj> BrianHH: I think you can apt-get install build-deps xchat or something like that
[02:46] <robertj> or maybe its apt-src with build-deps
[02:46] <BrianHH> robertj: Cool.  Which depository do I need for that?  apt-get from the depositories I have listed only gives me 2.4.1.
[02:47] <kong0> lol well all that crap didnt work and now im pissed
[02:47] <robertj> Brian: well get the depts for 2.4.1 and then see if 2.4.3 will compile cleanly
[02:47] <CarlK> what would cause my IP to go away?
[02:47] <robertj> apt-get build-dep xchat should be a good start
[02:47] <robertj> CarlK: Your ISP lease could be up?
[02:47] <CarlK> as in, ifconfig doesn't show an IP, and suddenly I can't ping the AP
[02:47] <Octane> are there lots of kubuntu users in here
[02:47] <robertj> CarlK: crappy AP firmware?
[02:48] <CarlK> robertj, "renewal in 281365 seconds."  but it happens after about 500 secconds
[02:48] <BrianHH> robertj:  Okay, thanks. :)
[02:48] <CarlK> robertj, and my local IP shouldn't go away, right?
[02:48] <Octane> im so glad i got my dma working, it took me a whole day to copy 10gb locally the other day
[02:48] <robertj> CarlK: well if your access point is going bye bye who knows
[02:49] <minkymeow> In gnome for some reason I can only use one screen resolution...how do I fix this?
[02:49] <CarlK> robertj, even if the AP goes, I think I should still have an IP
[02:49] <robertj> CarlK: well if its also the router it wont do you much good
[02:50] <robertj> maybe its killing your lease before it goes boom
[02:50] <kong0> how do you start wine?
[02:50] <CarlK> robertj, there is no "kill lease"
[02:50] <Octane> kong0, people like me cant even got wine compiled -- dont rub it in
[02:50] <robertj> CarlK: I dunno the spec at all, so thats just my guess
[02:51] <CarlK> (i spend a bit of time on a dhcp server mail list - that comes up often "how to I force all the clients to renew?"
[02:51] <minkymeow> In gnome for some reason I can only use one screen resolution...how do I fix this?
[02:51] <kong0> well i havent installed it(only in synaptics windoer if it will work...) so i just wanna know how to start..
[02:51] <robertj> hrmm, have you checked your logs?
[02:51] <minkymeow> it only runs at 1024*768 can't go higher or lower.....whats the deal
[02:52] <CarlK> yup the only thing in dmesg is "eth1: no IPv6 routers present" everythime I run ifup
[02:52] <robertj> minkeymeow: is this a laptop, desktop LCD, or desktop CRT
[02:52] <robertj> can you assign it a static address without problems?
[02:52] <Octane> Where is the Isle of Man
[02:52] <CarlK> oohh.. good idea
[02:52] <CarlK> nothing in /var/log/messages
[02:53] <CarlK> ill try static
[02:53] <minkymeow> laptop
[02:53] <minkymeow> with a wider than normal screen
[02:53] <son> what does usermode +w do?
[02:54] <son> what does usermode +w do?
[02:54] <thenuke> son: what does man chmod do?
[02:55] <son> uhhh.... i dunno
[02:55] <thenuke> or did I mix something up. I guess I dod.
[02:55] <ubuntu_> thenuke, chmod changes file permisons and other stuff
[02:55] <son> do you know what usermode +w does?
[02:55] <son> do you know what usermode +w does?
[02:55] <minkymeow> I tried fedora a while back and it allowed me to select my monitor and I had a choice of a variety of resolutions....here I only have one...at least according the the thing in gnome
[02:56] <thenuke> son: what does google tell you about that
[02:56] <son> google...???
[02:56] <Octane> ugh
[02:56] <Octane> someone ban that dude
[02:56] <son> what is google?
[02:56] <son> anyone?
[02:56] <thenuke> son: http://www.google.com
[02:56] <son> oh ok
[02:57] <kong0> does tvout work in ubuntu? native i mean...
[02:57] <bleaked> son: you're not serious?
[02:57] <kong0> tv.out
[02:58] <ubuntu_> kong0, you probably have to install something
[02:58] <Octane> kong0, depedns on your card, you probably need either ivtv or bttv
[02:58] <ubuntu_> son, google is a search engine
[02:58] <kestas> why is it that when I mount an smb drive with fstab it gets shown in nautilus, but when I mount an nfs drive in fstab I need to go to /mnt manually?
[02:59] <kong0> thats lame
[02:59] <nlghtcrawler-lin> afteafter unpack smeg, how do i run it, if its not in the menu?
[02:59] <kong0> should i install ati drivers?(i have ati)
[02:59] <ubuntu_> son, if you dont know what google is i suggest you go back to windows
[02:59] <ubuntu_> hurray i timed out
[02:59] <nlghtcrawler-lin> r u talking to me?
[02:59] <ubuntu_> whats the command to change nick?
[03:00] <thr1ce>  /nick
[03:00] <nlghtcrawler-lin> umm..... and ur telling me to go back to windows....
[03:00] <nlghtcrawler-lin> ANYWAY...
[03:00] <nlghtcrawler-lin> can someone help me?
[03:00] <Jesse1> thr1ce, thought so
[03:00] <thr1ce> :)
[03:00] <Jesse1> nlghtcrawler-lin, no im telling son to go back to windows
[03:01] <kong0> wich is better, ivtv or bttv?
[03:01] <nlghtcrawler-lin> oh, ok sorry :P
[03:01] <nlghtcrawler> anyway, does someonw know how?
[03:01] <Jesse1> nlghtcrawler, try going to run and type smeg
[03:01] <carl> pretty sure my static IP just disapeared - ill have to wait another 500 seconds to check ifconfig
[03:01] <kong0> no answer
[03:02] <Jesse1> kong0, i have no idea ive never used them
[03:02] <Jesse1> kong0, try both and see which one you like
[03:02] <robertj> carl: lsmod|grep net?
[03:02] <nlghtcrawler> i've done that....
[03:02] <kong0> hmm do you think i can use tv-out without additional software?
[03:03] <Jesse1> no even on windows you need aditional software (that comes with the drivers on windows)
[03:03] <Jesse1> nlghtcrawler, nothing come up u installed it properly?
[03:04] <nlghtcrawler> ya
[03:04] <Jesse1> nlghtcrawler, you refresh the gnomepanel?
[03:04] <nlghtcrawler> all it did, is say "setting up smeg (0.5-Oubuntul) .. then thats it
[03:04] <carl> robertj, # lsmod|grep net - nothing (even when my connection is up)
[03:04] <kong0> man i would really dislike triggy installations...
[03:05] <nlghtcrawler> ya update-menus
[03:05] <nlghtcrawler> right?
[03:05] <nlghtcrawler> or killall gnome-panel
[03:05] <Danar> for some reason i can't synch my time...
[03:05] <carl> and my connection just bouneced, no IP durring the outage
[03:05] <Danar> root@ubuntu:~ # ntpdate ca.pool.ntp.org
[03:05] <Danar> 20 Jun 21:04:03 ntpdate[3562] : the NTP socket is in use, exiting
[03:06] <nlghtcrawler> no
[03:06] <nlghtcrawler> bbl
[03:07] <Jesse1> well im goin cya's
[03:08] <bleaked> wow..
[03:08] <Octane> anyone know wha tports I have to add to my fiewall for samba?
[03:08] <Llanowyn> Hello everyone :)
[03:09] <anto9us> Octane: I believe 137, 138 and 139 tcp and udp
[03:09] <iLLf8d> Octane: cat /etc/services | grep netbios
[03:10] <Octane> thanks iLLf8d , anto9us
[03:10] <Octane> and what about for mail?
[03:10] <Octane> because i only get mail when i turn off guarddog
[03:10] <iLLf8d> services again
[03:10] <iLLf8d> you may wanna less the file and take a look
[03:10] <Octane> pop3 ?
[03:10] <Octane> got it
[03:10] <iLLf8d> that and smtp probably
[03:10] <anto9us> Octane: smtp is 25 and pop is 110
[03:11] <Danar> k, i synchronized my time and now it's wrong, even though i set the right time zone... wtf?
[03:11] <Octane> guarddog could use some usability fies
[03:11] <Octane> fixes*
[03:11] <robertj> Frys was a dissapointment for me though, it had a good selection and prices were okay if you were in a rush, but the help-staff seemed as useless as ever
[03:11] <heebie> Hi. Is anyone here running an amd64 system with dual-monitors on nVidia FX 5700 video?
[03:11] <robertj> We just got our Frys last year, and its kinda...not run well
[03:13] <vinux> hello all. My ubuntu Family :)
[03:13] <heebie> Has anyone gotten Java plugins running in amd64 ubuntu?
[03:14] <anto9us> vinux: can I have some pocket money?
[03:14] <vinux> anto9us, hehe you not that close of family :)
[03:14] <anto9us> worth a try :)
[03:14] <iLLf8d> robertj, how can frys be a disappointment you jest!
[03:15] <vinux> anto9us, now get in there an clean your room or your grounded
[03:15] <Llanowyn> So i'm kinda new here, and i'm going to migrate over from windows.  I was wondering what I should be backing up and what kind of stuff won't be useful.  Can anyone help me out with that?
[03:15] <anto9us> vinux: then can I have some pocket money?
[03:15] <absinthe_os> How can I completely remove ipv6 functionality from Ubuntu?
[03:15] <iLLf8d> frys is an electronics mecca!
[03:15] <heebie> Llanowyn: Anything that is "user data" you should keep.
[03:16] <vinux> anto9us, well ok here take this dollar and go buy you something :)
[03:16] <benplaut> iLLf8d: nah... i'll stick with Newegg and Zipzoomfly :)
[03:16] <anto9us> Llanowyn: back up everything that you'd hate to lose but you can install ubuntu and still leave windows on your system. Provided you have enough disk space
[03:16] <GNULinuxer> absinthe_os> yes
[03:17] <iLLf8d> benplaut, and you'll pay for it too
[03:17] <GNULinuxer> absinthe_os> recompile kernel without IPv6 support
[03:17] <iLLf8d> benplaut, tho I do like newegg also
[03:17] <absinthe_os> GNULinuxer, no "off" switch?
[03:17] <benplaut> iLLf8d: in hawaii, it costs more to fl to the nearest Frys then for shipping on Newegg (but only slightly...)
[03:18] <anto9us> vinux: they don't take dollars where I live, can't I just borrow your credit card instead?
[03:18] <Hablandocontigo> I'm trying to install Unreal Tournament but I get: sudo sh ut-install-436.run Verifying archive integrity...OK
[03:18] <Hablandocontigo> Uncompressing Unreal Tournament version 436 Linux installtrap: usage: trap [-lp]  [arg signal_spec ...] 
[03:18] <Hablandocontigo> what could be the error?
[03:19] <Llanowyn> Well, i've gone through a ritual of formatting / reinstalling every few months or so.  This time I want to give something different a try. Thanks Heebie & Anto9us.  Also any tips would be greately appreciated.
[03:20] <kong0> do i need anti virus programm?
[03:20] <magog> Llanowyn, youll find you wont need to reformatt all the time like in windows
[03:20] <scorpix> koma, no
[03:20] <vinux> anto9us, sure here let me  type it in here for you. But dont' let the other people see. 5555-5555-yeah-right.
[03:20] <john__> question
[03:20] <scorpix> kong0, no
[03:20] <robertj> Llanowyn: You shouldn't have to reformat windows every few months
[03:21] <anto9us> kong0: not generally needed on linux, it's handy if for windows disk and network filesystems that you might connect to though
[03:21] <robertj> I format yearly whenever I upgrade hardware, but otehr than that I don't have any problems
[03:21] <absinthe_os> I have installed enemy territory how do "uninstall" it?
[03:21] <mae> robertj: if you are 90 percent of the populace that uses windows you "should" but don't know how :)
[03:21] <john__> if I use sudo gedit to open xorg.conf, shouldn't I be able to save the changes?
[03:21] <Llanowyn> yea, I know, but I have a tendency to lose my free space
[03:21] <kong0> when i had windows (2 days ago) i got viruse
[03:21] <kong0> all the time
[03:21] <robertj> and if you can't make windows work for you, you aint got much chance with Linux unless its maanged by sommeone else
[03:21] <anto9us> john__: yes
[03:22] <kong0> wow its getting late...problably should go to bed
[03:22] <DanielC> Hello. Should I be concerned that the package I want to install "cannot be authenticated" ? All the servers in sources.list are from ubuntu.com.
[03:22] <robertj> All you have to do is do the stupid windows update
[03:22] <john__> it's not letting me...
[03:22] <kong0> danielC thats nothing to worry about
[03:22] <kong0> just install
[03:22] <DanielC> kong0: Thanks. What does it mean?
[03:23] <kong0> igt means some ppl who made it didnt subscribe the info
[03:23] <DanielC> Ok.
[03:23] <anto9us> john__: what does it say to you?
[03:23] <DanielC> kong0: Thanks for the help.
[03:23] <kong0> np
[03:23] <Danar> kong0, if you have a windows partition (like if you dual-boot) you might want to be able to scan it for viruses from linux. in that case install clamav
[03:23] <john__> Could not save the file "/etc/x11/xorg.conf"
[03:24] <john__> (that's the precise msg it's showing me)
[03:24] <kong0> nah only have windoes on my other computer...could virus sneak in thru our shared network?
[03:24] <mae> robertj: you put someone on linux vs windows .. a complete beginner, with broadband internet.. the windows user will accumulate malware/spyware if they download stuff.. or just by using ie.  on linux, even if there is security exploits, your running in your underpriv'd user jail.. software can't mess with anything but your per-user setup. if it gets messed up all you have to do is rm -rf ~/ && rm -rf ~/.*
[03:24] <benplaut> john__: opened as Read-Only?
[03:24] <Danar> kong0, you wouldn't get a windows virus on linux
[03:24] <kong0> nice
[03:25] <john__> i used this to open it:  sudo gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[03:25] <kong0> maybe i should statrt work out a bit..
[03:25] <benplaut> john__: check that it's not open anywhere else
[03:25] <robertj> mae: You can just give them an unpriveleged account on XP as well
[03:26] <robertj> my dad has an unpriveleged account he uses and only uses the Admin account to play his games
[03:26] <john__> if i'm in x, is it open?
[03:26] <anto9us> john__: it's sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:26] <mae> robertj: this is true, but it is not the default setup, also, _much_ windows software is badly designed and assumes administrator access and will choke otherwise.
[03:26] <kong0> im starting to get the shape of barbapappa....
[03:26] <vinux> mae, what does rm -rf ~/ && rm -rf ~/.* do?
[03:26] <john__> ahhhhhhhhh  case-sensitive (slaps forehead)
[03:26] <robertj> mae: well by default, your average user in Linux doesn't have a chance to do what vinux just said
[03:26] <benplaut> qnto9us: nice catch on the caps ;)
[03:27] <anto9us> :)
[03:27] <Danar> vinux, that would remove everything in your home dir
[03:27] <Quest-Master> vinux: Delete everything in the home directory ..
[03:27] <mae> robertj: your average windows user has even less of a chance to reformat and reinstall all the drivers..
[03:27] <robertj> And also by default, Windows now does security updates by default whereas XP does not
[03:27] <kestas> it would delete the home directory itself
[03:27] <kong0> well  im off to watch some hentai
[03:27] <kestas> not everything in it
[03:27] <kong0> gl all cya
[03:27] <robertj> mae: err whereas Ubuntu does not do security updates by default
[03:27] <Danar> that too
[03:27] <john__> that was it - thanks
[03:28] <vinux> robertj, can you get security updates manually though?
[03:28] <mae> robertj: the largest security risk is an inexperienced pc user.. and 90 percent of that problem is eliminated in linux because any programs that run have limited access.
[03:29] <robertj> mae: or because there aren't any programs that most users would want to run
[03:29] <Danar> mae, and that last 10% is amplified by people running things as root :p
[03:29] <robertj> it doesn't matter if they are running a root or not
[03:29] <robertj> it just means that malware authors will ask for the root password and people will enter it
[03:30] <mae> robertj: this is mainly because most software is written for windows, has nothing to do with the viability.. for my example lets just assume the correct software is available.. linux was designed far better for security that windows xp was..
[03:30] <Guerin> robertj: yes, it does. If a box is rooted, you have to reinstall from scratch. If only a local user is compromised, you only need to nuke that user and restore from backup.
[03:30] <Guerin> robertj: oh, i see.
[03:31] <zyth> sadly, robertj is right.  lol
[03:31] <robertj> Guerin: real users dont understand. If Acrobat asks for a password to intsall, and they enter the password, they get positive reinforcement in the form of a working PDF reader
[03:31] <vinux> mae, although when I was new to slackware I thought I would install a firewall. But it went very wrong when I didn't read the info files and I installed a firewall system that plays like a linux system so it wiped out my system files lol. I'm sure you know what happened then..... Reinstall baby! Stupid me
[03:31] <robertj> Guerin: and truthfully, to any _real_ user, for someone who really has alot to lose, the home directory is everything
[03:32] <robertj> Whats in my home directory? A 6 gig wedding video, half a dozen cvs checkouts, some various side projects, and some personal writings. I can always reinstall whatever OS, but if that stuff is gone I'd cry.
[03:32] <zyth> The issue is not so much which OS as user education.
[03:32] <robertj> I've got it all backed up, because I don't want to cry
[03:32] <robertj> But for most people, they might have a CD "somewhere" with some documents from "a while ago"
[03:33] <rcec52> Is there a Linux app that will back up everything and let your burn it to cd?
[03:33] <robertj> thats their backup, but it almost doesn't include their notepad .txt file that they keep the house budget in
[03:33] <zyth> rcec52, yep
[03:33] <rcec52> What's it called?
[03:33] <zyth> starts with an m... er, I can't recall the name
[03:33] <rcec52> That helps>
[03:33] <john__> how do i restart X without rebooting?
[03:33] <anto9us> john__: ctrl-alt-backspace
[03:34] <robitaille> rcec52,   mondo
[03:34] <zyth> Mondo
[03:34] <mae> robertj: the same backing up would be required in windows, obviously nothing is perfect;  I am merely arguing that an inexperienced user has a much better chance of keeping a linux system intact than a windows one.. now they may not be able to get the programs they need i.e. because they are used to downloading and easily installing programs like on windows.. but that isn't relevant to my point.
[03:34] <kong0> WTF!! i acnt play vidoes anymore!!!
[03:34] <zyth> found it in syunaptic
[03:34] <rcec52> Thankyou. . .
[03:34] <robertj> mae: I just think the difference is negligible unless they click on virus-attachments. Windows Update does a good job these days
[03:34] <robertj> not perfect, but good enough for 99.9% of the people
[03:35] <mae> robertj: i used to work at a pc store and we made some money from selling computers and computer parts but like 75 percent of our income was service and probably 60 percent of that income was os reformatting of windows
[03:35] <rcec52> Is it possible to set up Ubuntu on one hard drive and Kubuntu on another and access either from the same Grub menu?
[03:35] <vinux> mae, I agree I mean who can keep a windows system intact anyways?
[03:35] <zyth> vinux, me
[03:35] <robertj> mae: yeah, but thats going to go away as those machines are replaced with machines running SP2
[03:35] <kong0> what tf could be wrong!?!?
[03:35] <mae> vinux: i can, but i know what i'm doing
[03:35] <robertj> You will still have some spyware, but Microsoft Antispyware aint a bad product and its free
[03:35] <thenuke> rcec52: it's a bit more convenient to install gnome and kde to the very same ubuntu on the one partition :)
[03:36] <vinux> zyth, mae well I guess that's an answer :)
[03:36] <mae> robertj: sp2 fixed some but malware still circumvents that.. the problem was reduced, but not anywhere near eliminated
[03:36] <rcec52> Ok that answers that question. . . .thanks.
[03:36] <anto9us> I think the biggest issue with windows vs linux security is that most linux software is open to peer review
[03:36] <robertj> mae: it doesn't need to be totally eleminated. It just needs to calm itself down so that we dont' see infection-rates like we were before
[03:36] <d0rt> no slapd in hoary?
[03:37] <_nate_> is there a way to make the background recognize your side/bottom/top bars as the desktop border?
[03:37] <robertj> d0rt: have you checked universe?
[03:37] <d0rt> or is there a differently named package to install an ldap server?
[03:37] <robertj> openldap-server maybe?
[03:37] <d0rt> nevermind
[03:37] <d0rt> slapd is there
[03:37] <robertj> wehe
[03:38] <_nate_> anyone?
[03:38] <rcec52> Will Gnome ever see the popularity that KDE has? I'm running it right now and it's pretty good. I do prefer KDE though. ..
[03:38] <rob^> rcec52, whats your point exactly?
[03:38] <kong0> what should i do when avis where all laggy!?!? install xine something...
[03:38] <vinux> rcec52, kde is really nice but now i'm giving gnome a shot. so far I like it and it works for me
[03:38] <zyth> kong0, are you using mplayer?
[03:39] <rcec52> I guess I'm wondering what the percentage of people like KDE over Gnome. . .
[03:39] <robitaille> rcec52,  yes...Gnome's own goal for the future is: http://live.gnome.org/10x10
[03:39] <rcec52> What's that all about?
[03:39] <kong0> i never got mplayer workign i use totem
[03:40] <Llanowyn> oh yeah, when I install, is ubuntu going to set me up with gnome or kde, or both, or none?
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> rcec52: more people use gnome than KDE, sorry to burst your bubble
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> Llanowyn: GNOEM
[03:40] <Llanowyn> ty hrdwrbob :)
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> GNOME
[03:40] <HrdwrBoB> kde is kubuntu
[03:40] <robitaille> rcec52,  I think it's currently 2/3 - 1/3 KDE vs Gnome (not sure where I heard these numbers...)
[03:40] <rcec52> No offense. . . it just seems like KDE has more software developers working in their favor. . .
[03:40] <zyth> kong0, sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[03:40] <robitaille> rcec52,  Gnome want to be on 10% of the desktop computers by 2010.
[03:41] <robertj> I sold my laptop and my desktop on the same day so I gotta find me another machine fast
[03:41] <Guerin> robertj: i have one word, which starts with b and ends with ackups
[03:41] <robertj> Guerin: I have nightly backups over SSH to my parents house, so I'm not concerned, but most people don't have that
[03:41] <Darkfusion> I prefer GNOME to KDE. It just seems cleaner, less cluttered
[03:41] <kong0> what if i use mplayer then?
[03:41] <Guerin> robertj: anyone who cares should.
[03:41] <Darkfusion> but I use XFCE even more so I'm biased to being lightweight
[03:41] <robertj> Dark: Mainly I like Gnome because of the bang-up job they are doing at FDO
[03:41] <robitaille> rcec52,  but at the end of the day, the important point is which one you prefer.  Personally I prefer Gnome..others prefer KDE.  others another one.  It's all about freedom of choice.
[03:41] <anto9us> I think opensolaris will help that goal see fruition before 2010
[03:41] <HrdwrBoB> rcec52: mm.
[03:41] <kong0> sudo apt-get install mplayer-xine?
[03:41] <zyth> kong0, set your vo to SDL, uses less CPU
[03:41] <zyth> huh no
[03:41] <zyth> wtf?
[03:42] <HrdwrBoB> anto9us: open solaris? haha
[03:42] <robertj> Guerin: someone might, some people are actually sociable
[03:42] <Guerin> robertj: ?
[03:42] <robertj> Guerin: and other people might be interested in buying Ubuntu-friendly hardware
[03:42] <kong0> zyth: where?
[03:42] <vinux> robertj, what's FDO?
[03:42] <rcec52> I'm starting to see what people are saying about Gnome. .  .it is less cluttered and seems more streamline.
[03:42] <robertj> vinux: freedesktop.org
[03:42] <vinux> robertj, oh ok
[03:42] <zyth> kong0, man you lost me.  What media player are you using? Totem or Mplayer?
[03:43] <robertj> vinux: Avahi is sweet :)
[03:44] <rcec52> I'm running Kubuntu (KDE) and Ubuntu (Gnome) on one hard drive and Mepis Linux on another. .. right now.
[03:44] <anto9us> HrdwrBoB: I think it's a very wise move by Sun to open it up
[03:44] <robertj> vinux: it's Bonjour/Rendezvous/Zeroconf but GPL
[03:44] <robertj> anto: I think its good too, but probably not gonna make a whole lot of difference
[03:44] <Llanowyn> Are there major differences in kubuntu and ubuntu asides from kde/gnome?
[03:44] <vinux> robertj, hmmm sounds interesting
[03:44] <robertj> my bet is that it will be a boon for people who use Solaris Express for research but other than that it won't bring in much blood after the initial "gee-whiz" boom is over
[03:44] <kong0> i use totem but only because mplayer doesnt work
[03:45] <zyth> rcec52, why on earth are you running three linux distros?
[03:45] <kong0> zyth
[03:45] <rcec52> Very carefully. ...not all running at the same instance though. . .
[03:45] <zyth> kong0, if you are using totem, install totem-xine.  If you want to use mplayer, you will need to read the mplayer manpage ('man mplayer') and read about how to edit your config file to specify video and audio output
[03:46] <kong0> i have installed totem xine and when i start a movie nothing happens...
[03:46] <rcec52> I'm messing around with differnt distro's to see how they all compare. . .I had Debian on my system the other day. .. a disapointment
[03:46] <kong0> im really going crazy here'
[03:46] <zyth> kong0, do you have the win32codecs installed?
[03:46] <kong0> yes
[03:46] <vinux> kong0, I'm using mplayer to play streaming video and using totem-xine to play dvds
[03:46] <zyth> and have you tried other videos, to make sure it's not just that video?
[03:47] <kong0> mplayer doesnt work at all for me...
[03:47] <Darkfusion> vinux: try VLC?
[03:47] <vinux> Darkfusion, nope never heard of it
[03:47] <kong0> no way man
[03:47] <rcec52> Mplayer works better than Totem I think. ...
[03:47] <Llanowyn> VLC seems to work for me, plays just about everything
[03:47] <anto9us> robertj: the next few years are going to be very interesting, this is the decade that open source makes its biggest impact on the desktop in my vew
[03:47] <kong0> it doesnt work at all i know
[03:48] <kong0> when i start an avi file in mplayer the prgrams loads and then freeze i cant even shut it down ffs
[03:48] <vinux> kong0, did you install the codecs?
[03:48] <kong0> i have ALL codecs
[03:48] <rcec52> This open source software is the greatest thing since 'Mom's apple Pie'. ...I hate Windoze and the software monopoly it has created. . .
[03:48] <kong0> totem doesnt even load when i start the movie thats the wierd part
[03:48] <robertj> anto: I want a big impact on the laptop world ;)
[03:49] <vinux> kong0, oh did you change you mplayer config file to use xv instead of the other option?
[03:49] <robertj> I'm scouring the wiki seeing if there are any well-behaved machines in my pricerange
[03:49] <kong0> i dont know where to do that
[03:49] <vinux> kong0, one second
[03:49] <zyth> that'd be an issue.
[03:49] <zyth> probably in ~/.mplayer/config
[03:49] <zyth> man mplayer
[03:49] <zyth> it will enlighten you.
[03:49] <anto9us> robertj: me too, would be nice if my inspiron 9100 would go to sleep and wake up nicely
[03:50] <kong0> its ten to 4 am here(in sweden)
[03:50] <zyth> anto9us, what's the point of using sleep with notebooks?
[03:50] <zyth> I've never figured that one out.
[03:50] <robertj> I want ACPI support that does both disk and ram and has speed stepping and internal wifi all working without costing a bajillion dollars
[03:50] <vinux> kong0, http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#mplayer <--- check this out
[03:50] <anto9us> zyth: not having to reboot between home and work
[03:50] <zyth> robertj, sub300.com ?
[03:50] <zyth> anto9us, eh, I guess I'm just innured to boot-times.
[03:50] <rcec52> Anybody using 64 bit Linux software out here with an AMD processor?
[03:50] <ja32768> zyth:  so you never have to boot.  Just close the thing and stick it in your bag.  8 hours later, open it, and presto - right where you left off.
[03:51] <zyth> yeah, never saw the point in that ja32768 ;) it's not like my network connections stay up, so eh
[03:51] <robertj> it works rather well here in OS X
[03:51] <zyth> to each their own I guess
[03:52] <robertj> Xchat does it's thing and I'm back on IRC a second after the lid is open
[03:52] <ja32768> I guess when your OS boots very fast, it doesn't much matter.
[03:52] <zyth> I want an old g3 ibook to try this 'os x' on
[03:52] <robertj> zyth: I've got a 900mhz G3 with 768 megs of ram and its very usable
[03:52] <zyth> ja32768, yeah, that's the thing, usually I plop down the notebook, turn it on, and by the time I've got my ac adapter and mouse plugged in, I'm good to go anyways
[03:53] <zyth> robertj, my problem is cost on ibooks.. even old used ones are wayyy too costly.
[03:53] <robertj> zyth: mac users are tards for the most part
[03:53] <Darkfusion> I have an eMac, I'd love an ibook. I also love OS X
[03:54] <robertj> zyth: Macs that are half the price of minis still go for hundreds more
[03:54] <robertj> Dark: sell it on ebay and see if you can get a Mini
[03:54] <zyth> which is insane ;)
[03:54] <vinux> Are Minis cool?
[03:54] <robertj> Vinux: very, and fast, and cheap, and have standard connectors
[03:54] <robertj> and they are quiet
[03:54] <Darkfusion> Apple is switching to Intel anyway. Can't wait for OS X on cheaper hardware, probably won't happen though
[03:54] <kong0> sry vinux still dont work
[03:54] <vinux> robertj, so even with 256mb ram they are fast?
[03:55] <kong0> as lame bad irritating windoes tempting as b4
[03:55] <zyth> vinux, from what I hear, you'll want 512
[03:55] <kong0> im reallt started to get angry here
[03:55] <zyth> vinux, cause you need 512 to run WoW decently on a Mac Mini ;)
[03:55] <kong0> 'IT SHOULD WORK DOG DMN IT"!!!!
[03:55] <robertj> vinux: umm no, you wanna upgrade that
[03:55] <kong0> ***** ** ***** ***** ************** ********************
[03:55] <rcec52> Any programmer's here? If so what app is a good one to begin with with all the bells and whistles?
[03:55] <robertj> and get the university discount, they don't check it
[03:56] <kong0> fuck this shit im going windows
[03:56] <zyth> I fail to see why he didn't just read the manpage...
[03:57] <robertj> zyth: maybe he has better things to do
[03:57] <vinux> zyth, because he has no patients . He's probably a windows lover at heart :)
[03:57] <robertj> I'm highly motivated to learn about Linux because I am reasonably well compensated for it and have a great deal of flexibility in my work schedule
[03:57] <cpayan> i'm having immense amounts of trouble, at least for what i'm doing, trying to install an icon theme... is there somewhere i could go to find out how, i've been searching all over i know where
[03:57] <anto9us> zyth: because he's used to getting things solved by getting angry and swearing at people
[03:57] <rcec52> It's good to learn something new also. . ..
[03:57] <zyth> I am studying for my Linux+ certification, so this is 'educational' ;)
[03:57] <robertj> most people aren't and will never save enough money to make up their lost time
[03:57] <Llanowyn> haha, typical consumer
[03:58] <Quest-Master> rofl @ kong0
[03:58] <vinux> robertj, so 512 ram is good for mini?
[03:58] <zyth> vinux, yep
[03:58] <robertj> vinux: good for most people
[03:58] <Llanowyn> "getting things solved by getting angry and swearing at people"
[03:58] <Octane> when's breezy gonna be out
[03:58] <ja32768> rec52 - what you mean by "app"?
[03:58] <zyth> cpayan, gnome-look.org has some docs on it I think
[03:58] <robitaille> Octane,  October
[03:58] <robertj> I've got a Dual proc G5 with 2 gigs of ram at work so I don't exactly know how it holds up under intensive use
[03:58] <cpayan> ok thanks
[03:58] <rcec52> I hear in October. ..for breezy
[03:58] <Octane> wow
[03:58] <robertj> I lived with a Single G5 600 with 512 for a while and it was tolerable for some things, but not fun by any means
[03:58] <vinux> robertj, mini macs use 64bit right?
[03:58] <robertj> so I knnow the 1.25 Ghz has to be alot better
[03:58] <Octane> so basically if you want a new version of an app, you need to build it yourself, right
[03:58] <robertj> vinux: no, its a G4
[03:59] <Llanowyn> is the update to the newest release an easy one?
[03:59] <zyth> Llanowyn, define 'newest release', you mean warty --> hoary?
[03:59] <vinux> robertj, oh it's the G5 that is right?
[03:59] <robertj> the G5 is only in teh iMac and powermac line
[03:59] <robertj> not the mini, emac, or any of the notebooks
[04:00] <Llanowyn> zyth- ya
[04:00] <zyth> Llanowyn, as far as I know, it's easy, but I haven't done it myself.
[04:00] <Llanowyn> is there an easy way to do that, or would I have to download the install cd again?
[04:00] <robertj> Llanowyn: you can use Synaptic to upgrade
[04:01] <robertj> Llanowyn: but it takes a bit of doing
[04:01] <Darkfusion> apt-get dist-upgrade should work
[04:01] <rcec52> This synaptic or apt-get is really great stuff. . .
[04:01] <pureplayer> can you burn with ubuntu?
[04:01] <jf6> someone can help me?
[04:01] <robertj> The actual part that requires effort is to changing all the references to hoary to either stable or breezy
[04:01] <Darkfusion> yes, I use Gnomebaker to make CDs
[04:01] <rcec52> Yes you can burn ubuntu
[04:01] <Llanowyn> seems easy enough, i'm trying to get as much info as possible before I go around formatting anything
[04:01] <robitaille> Llanowyn,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[04:01] <CrustyPunk> Hey... any of you Linux-savvy folks able to give me a quick hand in writing a (I'd assume) small and easy shell script?
[04:02] <jf6> WHo can say to me
[04:02] <jf6> if he heard the music
[04:02] <rcec52> Shell script for what?
[04:02] <jf6> on my web site
[04:02] <jf6> with FireFOX
[04:02] <jf6> http://jango6.free.fr
[04:02] <pureplayer> Darkfusion: where can i find that?
[04:03] <CrustyPunk> rcec52: I'm trying to make a script to cd into /usr/bin and run a game using Cadega
[04:03] <pureplayer> where do you find programs for ubuntu?
[04:03] <jf6> So no one can help me??
[04:03] <Darkfusion> pure: I just search for Gnome Baker in Synaptic, don't know if you need universe or multiverse though, I have both
[04:04] <ja32768> jf6:  you could boot the ubuntu live cd, and test it yourself.... or knoppix, or any other of about 100 live linux cds
[04:04] <Darkfusion> Pure: In System > Administration you should have Synaptic Package Manager. Look for new programs, or packages in that
[04:04] <rcec52> Sorry I'm pretty new to this stuff myself. ..best to just ask questions and read up on the subject.
[04:04] <jf6> ja32768, i dont have plugins
[04:05] <Mobius> anyone here use openbox instead of metacity?
[04:05] <CrustyPunk> rcec52: Yeah, I've been looking for tutorials... most are pretty useless as far as I can see
[04:05] <rcec52> Any Astronomy buffs in this group?
[04:05] <jf6> but the navigator
[04:05] <robitaille> jf6,  no music here
[04:05] <jf6> dont finc
[04:05] <jf6> thx robitaille
[04:05] <ja32768> CrustyPunk - have you tried saving the commands you want to run in a text file, and just running that?
[04:06] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: Yeah, that's what I was hoping would work
[04:06] <CrustyPunk> cd /usr/bin/
[04:06] <CrustyPunk> ./cedega /media/bigdrivewin/Diablo/diablo.exe
[04:06] <AnObfuscator> hmmm. I need help, and I can't find a relevent support document...
[04:06] <ja32768> that works. Just make it executable with chmod +x yourfilehere
[04:06] <robitaille> jf6,   I thought "bgsound" was a IE html extension..
[04:06] <rcec52> Any digital photography buffs in this group?
[04:06] <jf6> really?
[04:06] <jf6> ok
[04:06] <jf6> i will see
[04:06] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: Really? I chmod'd it and it didn't work
[04:06] <AnObfuscator> I can't get my Airport (old airport, not brodcom version) to work under ubuntu...
[04:07] <Llanowyn> rcec52 - amateur, not really a buff tho :-/
[04:07] <ja32768> CrustyPunk: it may be that the current directory is not in your path.  try running it as ./yourfile
[04:07] <vinux> rcec52, I"m a ubuntu newbie buff! Does that help? :P
[04:07] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: Ah, there it goes.
[04:07] <Mobius> nobody here runnin' openbox?
[04:07] <cpayan> zyth i'mnot seeing any docs at gnome-look.org
[04:07] <robitaille> jf6,  http://www.computing.net/webdevel/wwwboard/forum/1010.html
[04:08] <jf6> ??
[04:08] <anto9us> rcec52: I wouldn't call myself a buff in either of those topics but I've known the answers to a few questions on tv quiz shows
[04:08] <foxiness> i want to use ubuntu like gateway to other pc how can i do that ? first one .55 and other one .99 and i put .55 like gateway to ubuntu but not work?
[04:08] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: How would I be able to get it to run by double-clicking it and hitting the "run" button? As it stands now, I have to ./file in the console
[04:08] <cpayan> and the only docs at gnome are developer docs... not quite in the mood to make my own
[04:08] <cpayan> icons
[04:08] <rcec52> I was just thinking about the Linux software aspect to these two topics, 'Photography and Astronomy'
[04:08] <vinux> Mobius, I tried openbox but man there was too much configuring in it with little support
[04:09] <anto9us> rcec52: both are covered pretty well I think
[04:09] <Mobius> I agree vinux, but I am looking for something that is notably faster for my brand new notebook
[04:09] <ja32768> CrustyPunk:  Hm, I'm sure there's an easy way: right click a panel, use add to panel, custom application launcher...  maybe that works for you?
[04:09] <vinux> Mobius, fluxbox is good
[04:09] <rcec52> Anyone try 'Openunivere, Celestia, Skycharts on their systems?
[04:09] <vinux> Mobius, Xfce4 is too
[04:09] <anto9us> rcec52: I've played with celestia, very pretty :)
[04:10] <Mobius> which do you reccomend vinux?
[04:10] <Mobius> both?
[04:10] <vinux> Mobius, well if you aren't into reading alot to configure stuff try Xfce4
[04:10] <rcec52> Celestia is pretty good. Sky Charts is very intense and it is getting better especially for amateur astronomers. . .
[04:10] <foxiness> is there source to read about gateway on ubuntu ?
[04:11] <rcec52> Anyone try Hugin? (for Digital Panorama Photography?)
[04:11] <Mobius> I will try it out vinux, thanks.
[04:12] <kikkoman> how do i install kubuntu?
[04:12] <vinux> Mobius, np I like it
[04:12] <cpayan> i'm having immense amounts of trouble, at least for what i'm doing, trying to install an icon theme... is there somewhere i could go to find out how, i've been searching all over i know where
[04:12] <rcec52> Burn the Kubuntu Iso into a bootable disk install from Cdrom . .. pretty easy. . .
[04:12] <vinux> Mobius, works good. Doesn't take up alot of resources
[04:12] <cpayan> since zyth doesn't seem to be here, i'll get a second opinion plz?
[04:13] <kikkoman> oh you can just use "apt-get" to get kubuntu?
[04:13] <Mobius> I am just looking to keep my notebook snappy vinux - I've read that the *box stuff is faster, so I was just looking around
[04:14] <rcec52> It would be easier I think to use Synaptic instead of Apt-get to download and install Kubuntu.  ..
[04:14] <Darkfusion> don't you just have do get kubuntu-desktop?
[04:14] <vinux> Mobius, yea openbox is this fastests I've seen but man, trying to configure the menu is hell
[04:14] <Darkfusion> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:14] <anto9us> cpayan: have you seen http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt_2fTutorials_2fIconThemes ?
[04:14] <vinux> Mobius, you have to learn a language to do it
[04:14] <rcec52> It's that easy?
[04:15] <Mobius> and I wasnt too impressed with the themes vinux
[04:15] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: Where would I need to put the script files so I'd be able to run them from any directory, without being in their specific one?
[04:15] <ja32768> CrustyPunk:  /usr/local/bin is probably the best place
[04:15] <cpayan> yea anto9us i have... it's about creating icon themes...
[04:15] <ja32768> it should be in your path:  echo $PATH
[04:15] <CrustyPunk> Ah, I just had them in /bin
[04:15] <cpayan> i just want to install one
[04:15] <vinux> Mobius, yea I would just go with Xfce4
[04:16] <anto9us> cpayan: what about http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#q4 ?
[04:16] <ja32768> CrustyPunk:  that would work, but it's bad form :)
[04:16] <vinux> Mobius, it's fast
[04:16] <cpayan> ah
[04:16] <cpayan> no sir, i didn't
[04:16] <cpayan> thank you
[04:16] <anto9us> :)
[04:17] <vinux> Mobius, I use gnome myself now
[04:17] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: Thanks for your help. =)
[04:18] <ja32768> yep!
[04:18] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: I feel as though I gained 10-20 1337 points
[04:18] <Darkfusion> so are updated kernels available from ubuntu? 2.6.12 came out a few days ago, and I don't see it or any other 2.6 kernels available
[04:18] <kikkoman> how do i get my ati radeon 9700 pro mobility to work?
[04:18] <bob2> kikkoman: it doesn't Just Work?
[04:18] <vinux> Darkfusion, do you know the details of these updates? Should I worry?
[04:18] <bob2> Darkfusion: not in stable versions
[04:19] <kikkoman> it works but some screensavers are choppy i can't even play tux racer o_O
[04:20] <Darkfusion> vinux, info about 2.6.12 is here
[04:20] <Darkfusion> http://kerneltrap.org/node/5308
[04:20] <bob2> kikkoman: so, you want the binary drivers
[04:20] <we2by> any mp3 player for console  that support play list?
[04:20] <anto9us> kikkoman: you could install fglrx drivers but it broke acpi suspend on my inspiron 9100
[04:20] <vinux> Darkfusion, thanks
[04:20] <bob2> kikkoman: wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:20] <bob2> we2by: cplay
[04:20] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: Oi, I'm having another problem, but this time I know what it is.
[04:20] <bob2> vinux: Darkfusion note that any security fixes in that will already (or soon) be in the 2.6.10 kernel in hoary
[04:20] <ja32768> What's it not doing?
[04:20] <kikkoman> bob2: thanks
[04:21] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: I can't run the scripts, because they point to where the game I'm trying to run is... on a NTFS partition that only root has access to. And I can't chown because it's a read-only drive.
[04:22] <ja32768> CrustyPunk:  Hm, you want different mount options.  Lemme go check man mount
[04:22] <bob2> ja32768: defaults,umount=002
[04:23] <vinux> bob2, oh ok
[04:23] <ja32768> CrustyPunk:  you want the option umask=022 or some such probably in your /etc/fstab
[04:23] <ja32768> for your ntfs partition
[04:23] <CrustyPunk> Gotcha, thanks.
[04:24] <ja32768> Or maybe uid=(your user number), you could try that if the umask thing doesn't work
[04:24] <bob2> CrustyPunk: defaults,umask=002 is what you want
[04:24] <cthulfuego> bob2: goo'boy
[04:25] <bob2> hey, I can learn
[04:26] <CrustyPunk> /dev/hdb5       /media/bigdrivewin ntfs    defaults,umask=002 0       1 <--Like such in the fstab?
[04:26] <bob2> yes
[04:26] <vinux> I'll be back later guys
[04:27] <ja32768> bob2:  not having ntfs, I don't know this - does ubuntu mount it read/write?
[04:28] <hondje> Evenin'.  I'm getting my brother all ubuntufied, but 'someone' forgot to plug in the network cable to eth0, resulting in no automagical dhcp configuration.  Is there a voodoo script to make this all work out well?
[04:28] <HrdwrBoB> ja32768: no.
[04:28] <bob2> ja32768: no
[04:28] <anto9us> hondje: sudo dhclient eth0
[04:28] <bob2> ja32768: linux can't (safely) write to ntfs without using captive-ntfs
[04:29] <bob2> hondje: or sudo ifdown eth0 ; sudo ifup eth0
[04:29] <ja32768> Bob2 & HrdwrBob:  thanks; I though maybe I was missing something ;)
[04:29] <hondje> thanks, guys :)
[04:29] <bob2> (I'd recommend the latter, the former might end up with two copies of dhclient running, which is BAD)
[04:29] <nalioth_wrkn> bob2 so captive ntfs is safe for writing?
[04:29] <TokenBad> is there a way to monitor a ftp that is set up on ubuntu?
[04:29] <bob2> nalioth_wrkn: if "loading windows drivers into the kernel" is considered safe
[04:29] <bob2> TokenBad: monitor how?
[04:29] <hondje> bob2: that'll persist across reboots?
[04:29] <TokenBad> like see the bandwidth
[04:29] <nalioth> bob2 touche
[04:30] <TokenBad> whos uploading
[04:30] <TokenBad> whos downloading
[04:30] <CrustyPunk> bob2/ja32768: I don't think it worked. I'm getting this error message when I try to run the script without being logged in as root - "/usr/lib/transgaming_cedega//winex/bin/wine: cannot find '/media/bigdrivewin/Aliens vs. Predator 2/AVP2.exe'
[04:30] <TokenBad> that type thing
[04:30] <bob2> TokenBad: sure, tail -f /var/log/daemon.log
[04:30] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 i accidentally did a dist-upgrade with some backports stuff in sources.list..is there anyway to delete my apt-get cache, so that i can change my sources list, and do apt-get update again?
[04:30] <atool> TokenBad: gkrellm will give you net stats
[04:30] <bob2> hondje: oh, the cable wasn't plugged in during the install?
[04:30] <LordKahless> hey i have a wierd question, i have a laptop with a wireless card, i want to install ubuntu on it, but the wireless card requires ndiswrapper... is there a way i can get the drivers on there coz i know ubuntu doesnt come stock with ndiswrapper
[04:30] <hondje> bob2: yeah :(
[04:30] <magog> CrustyPunk, might wanna ask in #cedega
[04:31] <bob2> CrustyPunk: what does "sudo ls -ld '/media/bigdrivewin/Aliens vs. Predator 2/AVP2.exe'" print out?
[04:31] <Darkfusion> my ubuntu came with ndiswrapper
[04:31] <jinxi> I'm in console on my laptop, but the screen is alot smaller than the physical screen itself. how can I fix this?
[04:31] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: just comment out your non-ubuntu sources, reload apt, and you'll be fine
[04:31] <LordKahless> does it?
[04:31] <TokenBad> what is gkrellm?
[04:31] <Darkfusion> yeah
[04:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> nalioth reload?
[04:31] <LordKahless> i have the 5.04 discs that they sent me and the live cd didnt load ndis wrapper
[04:31] <CrustyPunk> bob2: Erm... an empty line. =o
[04:31] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: "apt-get update"
[04:31] <bob2> hondje: ah, plug it in, add this lines to /etc/network/interfaces "iface eth0 inet dhcp"
[04:31] <cthulfuego> wine needs to have the spaces in the path double-escaped
[04:31] <atool> TokenBad: http://www.gkrellm.net/
[04:31] <bob2> LordKahless: yes, it won't load it
[04:31] <BROKEN_LADDER> nalioth i did that.  doesn't work.  there are still packages that i have to manually downgrade in synaptic to get them to install.
[04:31] <Darkfusion> I installed it and had ndiswrapper.
[04:32] <LordKahless> 5.04?
[04:32] <Darkfusion> yeah
[04:32] <Darkfusion> hoary
[04:32] <TokenBad> CrustyPunk, what you trying to do..just play the game?
[04:32] <hondje> bob2: I had him do that, so I'm thinking he did something else wrong...
[04:32] <atool> TokenBad: is just a general sys monitor
[04:32] <LordKahless> well ill give it a try
[04:32] <nalioth> BROKEN_LADDER: in synaptic, remove them
[04:32] <LordKahless> notin to lose :p
[04:32] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: apt-get update won't help
[04:32] <TokenBad> ok
[04:32] <hondje> time to hunt that evilness :)
[04:32] <ryanomalley_> hey al
[04:32] <nalioth> hondje: what are you exorcising today?
[04:32] <ryanomalley_> all*
[04:32] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 even if i delete the cache first?
[04:32] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: indeed
[04:32] <hondje> nalioth: getting my brother all down with the buntu
[04:32] <CrustyPunk> TokenBad: No, I can play the game fine as long as I'm logged in as root. I'm trying to get it working so I can use the script I made as a shortcut, while I'm not as root.
[04:32] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: apt won't magically downgrade packages just because it can't download them anymore
[04:32] <nalioth> hondje: that is not evil
[04:33] <TokenBad> ahh
[04:33] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 magically?
[04:33] <bob2> CrustyPunk: paste the output of "mount | grep win"
[04:33] <mazbradberry> hey guys.
[04:33] <TokenBad> and you change the dir ownership
[04:33] <TokenBad> and stuff like that?
[04:33] <Darkfusion> hi maz
[04:33] <TokenBad> so that its owned by you..not by root?
[04:33] <mazbradberry> i'm having hardware recognition problems.
[04:33] <hondje> nalioth: oh, that's just to start things off, I'll get evil later :)
[04:33] <CrustyPunk> /dev/hdb5 on /media/bigdrivewin type ntfs (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[04:33] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: type /~Vbp <enter> in aptitude, and then hit enter on each package and select the ubuntu version of it
[04:34] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 the way i conceptualized it, the cached list of packages now points to packages that relie upon newer versions of libs than the ones in hoary.  so i visualized removing that cached list, and recreating it.  how is that in error?
[04:34] <bob2> CrustyPunk: so, you didn't remount it out after editing fstab.  sudo umount /media/bigdrivewin ; sudo mount /media/bigdrivewin
[04:34] <CrustyPunk> TokenBad: No, the problem is I don't have permissions for the partition the actual game is on, and I can't change said permissions because it's a RO drive.
[04:34] <mazbradberry> I can't access my internal zip drive, though it's recognized in the device manager
[04:34] <jinxi> I'm in console on my laptop, but the screen is alot smaller than the physical screen itself. how can I fix this?
[04:34] <bob2> jinxi: it's fiddly and annoying, and way easier to just use X.  if you really care, you need to find the right vga= option for your res/card.
[04:34] <bob2> mazbradberry: define "can't access"
[04:35] <mazbradberry> as in, it's not showing up anywhere.
[04:35] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: the list is indeed recreated, but it doesn't make apt do anything.
[04:35] <CrustyPunk> bob2: I get "/etc/sudoers is owned by uid 1000, should be 0" when I try to remount
[04:35] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: the dependencies are perfectly satisfied already
[04:35] <jinxi> bob2: where do I modify that setting?
[04:35] <bob2> CrustyPunk: what on earth did you do?
[04:35] <bob2> jinxi: /boot/grub/menu.lst, but there won't be examples there (iirc)
[04:35] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 if i try to install mplayer, for instance, it won't install because it says that it needs libraries newer than the ones i can get through hoary.
[04:36] <CrustyPunk> bob2: I'd assume somewhere along the line I chownd that directory like a very stupid, stupid man.
[04:36] <ja32768> CrustyPunk:  Uh, that's a problem...   did you have a stray chown -R 1000 /  somewhere?
[04:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 once i have entered into aptitude and done that command sequence, how do i downgrade the packages?
[04:36] <jinxi> ah, it is ok
[04:36] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: yes, because your sources.list doesn't list sources that can satisfy those dependencies
[04:36] <TokenBad> CrustyPunk, you mount to a dir right?
[04:36] <jinxi> bob2: can u give me any example?
[04:36] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: as I said, hit enter on each package and select the ubuntu version.  once you've done that on all of them, hit 'g' twice
[04:36] <bob2> jinxi: no, sorry, I haven't bothered with it in years
[04:36] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 so in my apt-get cache, it's looking at a version of mplayer that is newer than the one hoary offers.
[04:37] <bob2> CrustyPunk: you chown'd *all* of /etc/?
[04:37] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i select the ubuntu version?
[04:37] <CrustyPunk> ja32768: That's my guess, should I chown -r 0 /
[04:37] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: have you don't what I said yet?
[04:37] <bob2> CrustyPunk: NO
[04:37] <CrustyPunk> bob2: Gotcha. =o
[04:38] <mazbradberry> bob, do you have any idea what might be wrong with this hardware thing?
[04:38] <CrustyPunk> Ugh. I don't know how I managed to chown /
[04:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 i'm trying.  how do i change the version?
[04:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 i typed /~Vpb
[04:38] <bob2> CrustyPunk: it's mostly safe to run "sudo chown -R 0 /etc/"
[04:38] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: did you read what I said or not?
[04:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> yup
[04:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> i read it.
[04:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> now what?
[04:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> you said change the version, and i'm asking how.
[04:38] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: "and then hit enter on each package and select the ubuntu version of it"
[04:38] <BROKEN_LADDER> how?
[04:38] <ja32768> Just checking, there's not a lot in /etc/ that's not owned by root - just some stuff in /etc/cups
[04:39] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: jesus dude
[04:39] <CrustyPunk> bob2: Mostly safe, as in go for it, or go for it at my own risk? =P
[04:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i hit enter..now what.  there are just a bunch of lines of text.
[04:39] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: you've hit enter on it and got the dependency list?
[04:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> jesus what dude?
[04:39] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: nevermind, good luck
[04:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> yes
[04:39] <BROKEN_LADDER> i got the dep list
[04:39] <bob2> CrustyPunk: as in, afaict, everything but cups will work
[04:39] <ubernostrum> The apache2-common package claims that it contains "all the standard apache2 modules", but that doesn't seem to include mod_rewrite. A quick search with apt turns up no other packages which provide mod_rewrite, so does anyone know where I could find it?
[04:39] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: now use some initiative and scroll down
[04:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> scroll down?
[04:40] <CrustyPunk> bob2: I got the drive mounted, now to try the script dealie.
[04:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> it only is half a page.
[04:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> 1/3 of a page even.
[04:40] <jinxi> what console msn client can I use?
[04:40] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: so, why don't you read the page
[04:40] <CrustyPunk> bob2: It works, thanks for help. You too, ja32768. =)
[04:40] <BROKEN_LADDER> console?  msn?
[04:40] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: and notice the Version list at the bottom
[04:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 i see one option.
[04:41] <mazbradberry> hm, do people have trouble with USB hardware working?
[04:41] <BROKEN_LADDER> i don't see how to change it.
[04:41] <bob2> jinxi: centreicq can
[04:41] <bob2> mazbradberry: not generally
[04:41] <mazbradberry> okay
[04:41] <ubernostrum> nm, found it.
[04:41] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: maybe try lateral thinking....what might happen if you hit enter on it?  or +?
[04:41] <mazbradberry> because my memory stick won't work either.
[04:41] <bob2> mazbradberry: it's possible your hardware is weird in a way ubuntu doesn't know how to handle
[04:42] <mazbradberry> is there a way i could fix tha?
[04:42] <mazbradberry> that
[04:42] <bob2> or that you're using waryt with a non-vfat memory card
[04:42] <Jet2k5> does anyone here by change running ubuntu 64-bit with SATA drive?
[04:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 the only thing that happens is that the list expands or contracts.
[04:42] <BROKEN_LADDER> there's only one option in it.
[04:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> and it's not ubuntu.
[04:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's just some number.
[04:43] <bob2> wow
[04:43] <bob2> that's useful
[04:43] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's like that in every option, except the ones that are already ubuntu.
[04:43] <bob2> why don't you, y'know, tell us what it says
[04:44] <abarbaccia> hey all - how big is ubuntu on a regular install?
[04:44] <BROKEN_LADDER> 6.3.5-39
[04:44] <Darkfusion> about 1.8 GB
[04:44] <bob2___> BROKEN_LADDER: and the package is...
[04:44] <mdipi> Hey all, I have a 15" PowerBook G4 with an AirPort Extreme wireless card, any chance this is supported?
[04:44] <bob2> mdipi: no, broadcom are being utterly useless on that front
[04:44] <bl4cktone> dang I lost the userlist in X-Chat how do I bring it back?
[04:44] <neighborlee> I have exported some varibles in bash.bashrc, yet while export clearly shows them active and correct paths...my  example fine can't find one of the library files....what am I missing here ??LOL
[04:45] <mdipi> yeah, from what I hear its a bitch in any linux brand
[04:45] <mdipi> but it was a hope
[04:45] <mazbradberry> bob2: is there any way that i could change the settings of my hardware?
[04:45] <nalioth> mdipi: airport extreme is NOT supported. the rest of your powerbook is supported nicely
[04:45] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 acct
[04:45] <mdipi> damnit now I have to try to cop a USB/PCI wirelesscard
[04:45] <Darkfusion> I've got broadcom working w/ ndiswrapper on an x86 laptop. Don't think you can do that with a powerbook
[04:45] <mdipi> yeah i had ubuntu on for like an hour earlier
[04:45] <bob2> nalioth: that's not entirely true
[04:45] <mdipi> but had to nuke it for OS X again
[04:45] <bob2> the trackpad isn't, nor the keyboard light
[04:46] <mdipi> has anyone ever had a dual boot OS X/Ubuntu?
[04:46] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: then move on to the next search result
[04:46] <bob2> mdipi: lots of people
[04:46] <bob2> mazbradberry: dunno, sorry
[04:46] <nalioth> bob2 really? my trackpad is supported
[04:46] <Darkfusion> why? I think OS X is nicer then any brand of Linux available at the moment
[04:46] <bob2> nalioth: do you have a brand new powerbook?
[04:46] <nalioth> mdipi: i dual boot osx/ubunut
[04:46] <mdipi> so if i have about 10 gigs of free space right now, can i install to that or do i have to nuke my drive again?
[04:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> mdipi lol
[04:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> mdipi you traded off a quick responsive gui and configurability for ease of use and excessive eye candy.  right on.
[04:46] <bob2> Darkfusion: that's a personally opinion, I much prefered debian and ubuntu
[04:46] <mdipi> nalioth: what idd you install furst
[04:46] <mdipi> lol
[04:46] <concept10> Anyone know how to show userlist in XChat?
[04:46] <nalioth> bob2: i have a brand new ibook (which uses the same trackpad)
[04:46] <mazbradberry> ah, pee
[04:46] <BROKEN_LADDER> osx is atrocious.
[04:47] <nalioth> mdipi: 10 free gigs is more than enough
[04:47] <bob2> nalioth: oh, it works, you just don't get the synaptis-style stuff, I think
[04:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> err...the osx _gui_ is atrocious.
[04:47] <bob2> nalioth: oh, and sleep doesn't work on modern powerbooks under linux
[04:47] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: er, stop it?
[04:47] <nalioth> bob2: it doesnt work on old-ass ibooks, either
[04:47] <nalioth> mdipi: you will need to have osx on first
[04:47] <bob2> nalioth: it should do, aside from hal bugs
[04:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> osx feels so cumbersome and slow because it's gui is so intense and overdone.
[04:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 no, i'm still trying.
[04:47] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 i told you the version number
[04:48] <mdipi> nalioth: yeah I have that nad 10 gigs of "free space"
[04:48] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: shut up about os x
[04:48] <Darkfusion> If you want Linux on PPC, try Yellow Dog Linux
[04:48] <benplaut> ditto to Darkfusion
[04:48] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: so, obviously, acct is from Ubuntu, not backports.  now move on.
[04:48] <mdipi> really?
[04:48] <mdipi> I was thinking of it but figured Ubuntu would be better
[04:48] <bob2> is yellow dog even developed anymore?
[04:48] <nalioth> mdipi: i have 5 gb for ubuntu and the rest is hfs+ (not the new journaling type, tho)
[04:48] <X7C> lease time on dhcp server is on secinds or minutes or someting else?
[04:48] <mdipi> nalioth: how did you partition your drive?
[04:48] <bob2> X7C: depends on the dhcp server.  should be on the order of hours
[04:48] <nalioth> bob2: ydl is the only linux i've run on my 'books where the thing sleeps and wakes properly
[04:49] <atool> bob2 they just came out with a new release
[04:49] <X7C> dhcp3
[04:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 i didn't realize it was channel policy not to talk about osx.  sorry.
[04:49] <X7C> anybody using that one?
[04:49] <nalioth> bob2: so i cant figure (since its all GPL) why it doesnt work here in ubuntu
[04:49] <bob2> nalioth: if it doesn't work on ubuntu, and it's not because of the hal bug, please file a bug
[04:49] <bob2> it's not all GPL
[04:49] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 if acct is from ubuntu, then why doesn't the version say ubuntu?!
[04:49] <bob2> and it's presumably because yellow dog doesn't use hal yet
[04:49] <mdipi> it worked fine for me ealrier
[04:49] <mdipi> before i f'ed it up
[04:49] <nalioth> mdipi: software wise? i used OSX Boot CD Disk Utility, installed osx and then ubuntu
[04:49] <bob2> atool: ah, ok
[04:49] <Darkfusion> yeah, yellow dog is still developed. They now have a 64 bit port for G5
[04:49] <nalioth> mdipi: if you have ipartition, you can save the  osx install
[04:50] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: it's channel policy not to make stupid assertions
[04:50] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: not all ubuntu packages have ubuntu in the version
[04:50] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: now keep looking
[04:50] <mdipi> well i partitioned it when i just installed
[04:50] <mdipi> like an hour ago
[04:50] <mdipi> into 50 gigs HFS+
[04:50] <mdipi> and then 10 gigs just free space
[04:50] <bob2> mdipi: then you can install ubuntu in that
[04:50] <mdipi> yeah okay good
[04:50] <bob2> assumeing mac os X made the right boot partitions elsewhere
[04:51] <ja32768> Anyone running ubuntu for amd64 right now?
[04:51] <nalioth> mdipi: you're good to go then. the ubunutu installer can make itself a swap and you have PLENTY of space for ubuntu
[04:51] <mdipi> hopefully it did
[04:51] <mdipi> nice guys
[04:51] <nalioth> mdipi: did you make a 1mb partition for yaboot?
[04:51] <mdipi> eh i forgot to
[04:51] <mdipi> but i can do that int he installer right?
[04:51] <nalioth> mdipi: just don't forget
[04:52] <nalioth> mdipi: it needs to be Regular hfs
[04:52] <Octane> anyone know of a good nfs howot
[04:52] <Octane> howto*
[04:52] <mdipi> can I even format to HFS from the installer?
[04:52] <mdipi> i dsidnt think i remembred seeing it
[04:52] <nalioth> mdipi: linux fdisk programs format in all kinds of FSs
[04:53] <nalioth> mdipi: just boot your osx cd, and make one right quick
[04:53] <mdipi> alright
[04:53] <mdipi> diskutility to the resque
[04:53] <bob2> fdisk doesn't format anything at all
[04:54] <bob2> all it does is make partitions
[04:54] <mdipi> wait
[04:54] <bob2> seperate tools put filesystems on them
[04:54] <mdipi> ive never used fdisk...
[04:54] <mdipi> i'll do some research
[04:54] <bob2> you don't need to use fdisk
[04:54] <bob2> the installer will let you partition things just fine
[04:54] <nalioth> mdipi: pssst see the yellow dog linux website for some in depth HD howto
[04:55] <hadone> does anyone know the minimum requirements CPU speed? ram hard drive space or have a link to these specs?
[04:55] <mdipi> yeah im there now
[04:55] <mdipi> i hate being a noob man, but you guys are really great
[04:55] <nalioth> mdipi: we are all n00bs at something
[04:55] <bob2> hadone: there isn't one
[04:55] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 how am i supposed to know whether a version is the ubuntu hoary version or not?
[04:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 and i made no stupid assertions.  the osx gui is terrible.
[04:56] <Darkfusion> why is the osx gui terrible?
[04:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> it's slow and clunky even on brand spanky new machines at the apple store in downtown sf.
[04:56] <mdipi> okay so i need to make a yaboot parititon
[04:56] <crimsun> BROKEN_LADDER: you can read the changelog for an installed package, of course.
[04:56] <hadone> would it run on a 266 with 128 mb ram and 2 gig gateway laptop(old 2500 model)?
[04:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> how did that happen?
[04:56] <bob2> hadone: it will, but it will be a bit slow
[04:56] <BROKEN_LADDER> how can i set xchat not to respect requests to leave?
[04:56] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: that was my polite way of telling you to shut up about os X
[04:57] <hadone> ohh ok and thanks:0
[04:57] <Jesse1> BROKEN_LADDER, to find out if your using hoary go to system then about ubuntu
[04:57] <nalioth> Darkfusion: it's only slow and bad in some peoples opinions
[04:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> i am using hoary
[04:57] <bob2> sure, and the channel can be set to not respect your requests to join
[04:57] <nalioth> mdipi: yes, the smallest size it will allow you to make
[04:57] <mdipi> okay
[04:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> 5.0.4
[04:57] <franky> Hey, I need help getting DNS working. The internet works fine and once the domain is resolved the document loads fast. It just takes a minute or two to find the domain. I tried searching for nameservers and manually entering their IP's - theres two boxes, DNS servers and Search domains,a nd i'm not sure what I'm doing. Can anybody tell me how to get dns working?
[04:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 that's fine.
[04:57] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: so, if it doesn't have bp or backport in the version, it's not a backport
[04:57] <hondje> okay, one brother converted
[04:57] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: now go find them
[04:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 but it is a terrible flaw in a chat client if it quits when someone requests it.
[04:57] <BROKEN_LADDER> how do i fix this?
[04:57] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: no, it's not a flaw in a "chat client"
[04:58] <bob2> it's how this IRC network works
[04:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 it's not just backport that is the problem.  this occured from some other sources well before i started using backports.
[04:58] <bob2> then reinstall and don't be so silly next time
[04:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 you should be able to ban or kick me.  but my client should _never_ do something without my permission.
[04:58] <hondje> haha
[04:58] <BROKEN_LADDER> that's a flaw.
[04:58] <nalioth> wwhheeeeeeeeeee!
[04:59] <atool> you guys heard anything on the firefox bug being fixed?
[04:59] <nalioth> rofl!
[04:59] <Jesse1> atool, what bug??
[04:59] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: stop whinging, it has nothing at all to do with your client
[04:59] <atool> the you're using an older version bug
[04:59] <atool> try going to the extensions site
[04:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 it stated that i "left".  that is obviously a problem with my client.
[04:59] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 it didn't say i was kicked.
[05:00] <nalioth> atool: open FF, put "about:config" in the address bar. search the page for "vendorsub" and chg the value to 1.0.4
[05:00] <nalioth> atool: now you're fixed
[05:00] <Jesse1> BROKEN_LADDER, lets just say he kicked you then
[05:00] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: yes, the sevrer did that to you
[05:00] <atool> nalioth: thanks.
[05:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> so my client should say i was kicked, not that i left.
[05:00] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: I'm sorry, it is not obviously a problem with your client
[05:00] <BROKEN_LADDER> obviously it is, because it reported false information to me.
[05:00] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: if you wish to continue complaining, please go to #xchat and tell them
[05:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> also, on one occasion an op made my client join a channel.
[05:01] <bob2> BROKEN_LADDER: fine, #xchat
[05:01] <BROKEN_LADDER> made it _join_
[05:01] <bob2> then use a less shit client
[05:01] <bob2> but we don't care
[05:01] <nalioth> omg! rofl!
[05:01] <Jesse1> lol
[05:01] <nalioth> better then world wrestling federation
[05:02] <Jesse1> nalioth, its world wrestling entertainment now
[05:02] <nalioth> Jesse1: the point is the same (and y'all know when i stopped watching, eh?)
[05:02] <BROKEN_LADDER> bob2 what's your favorite client?
[05:02] <atool> nalioth: you know what's preventing a fixed version of FF from being added to the repositories?
[05:03] <bob2> irssi-text
[05:03] <nalioth> atool: you are using a "fixed" version
[05:03] <nalioth> atool: the devs didnt see fit to version it properly for some reason
[05:03] <sleeper> hi
[05:03] <atool> heh, so the blame falls on mozilla.org then?
[05:03] <sleeper> can someone help me one moment please?
[05:03] <franky> hey i have a dns problem looking up is taking forever but once its resolved loading is fast. how do i go about fixing this? i've tried manually adding nameserver ip's to the list but it doesnt help much. anybody can help?
[05:03] <Jesse1> sleeper, shoot
[05:04] <nalioth> atool: no, on ubuntu devs who patched 1.0.2-ubuntu to 1.0.4 security standards, but left it saying 1.0.2
[05:04] <sleeper> can i install in my ubuntu .tar.gz archives?
[05:04] <bob2> nalioth: wtf, no
[05:04] <nalioth> sleeper: sure can
[05:04] <Jesse1> nalioth, well that was smart
[05:04] <sleeper> why?
[05:04] <atool> nalioth: you know how to find out who is respoible for maintainin which packaged?
[05:04] <nalioth> no? i'm confused then
[05:04] <bob2> it isn't 1.0.4.  calling it that would be wrong.
[05:05] <sleeper> i am downloading winex and i a m not sure what i must download
[05:05] <Jesse1> yes it's jus a fixed 1.0.2
[05:05] <ja32768> franky:  maybe your first DNS server in /etc/resolv.conf isn't responding and the second one is.  Try reversing their order?
[05:05] <nalioth> i'm really confused then
[05:05] <Jesse1> lol
[05:06] <Jesse1> ah crap
[05:06] <nalioth> dosent ubuntu firefox have the same security patches that mozilla firefox 1.0.4 has?
[05:06] <bob2> nalioth: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10681
[05:06] <bob2> that's the gory details
[05:06] <Jesse1> you have 1 broken package on your system
[05:06] <vessuvius81> anyone know how to reset the screen res? I did a sudo apt-get upgrade the other day, and now my res is back to 640x480, and no options to change under Syster >> Screen Res
[05:07] <sleeper> ok thx
[05:07] <Jesse1> well that didnt take me long to break ubuntu again
[05:08] <bob2> installing non-ubuntu packages will do that
[05:09] <Jesse1> yea
[05:09] <Jesse1> oh well i just removed it through synaptic
[05:09] <X7C> anybody using shorewall getting a wifi lan through a cable modem??
[05:09] <X7C> or at least shorewall working with a wifi lan
[05:09] <X7C> ?
[05:11] <nalioth> bob2: i read that a few weeks ago, and am still confused. Probably cuz i'm a non-technical User
[05:13] <Jesse1> nalioth, too many word on that page for me to read
[05:13] <atool> it looks like this is the problem...
[05:14] <atool> FF wants to push out 1.04 cause there's a big sec. problem, thus preventing users from seeing the page
[05:14] <nalioth> Jesse1: yea, i'm just a old taxi driver
[05:14] <atool> ubunut releases on a 6 month cycle
[05:15] <atool> backports allows for "newer" packages, but doesn't break ubuntu
[05:15] <atool> it must keep dep. correct to allow for dist-upgrades
[05:15] <bob2> wary backports made it impossible to upgrade to hoary
[05:15] <atool> in order to do so, must trick the system to think it's an older package...
[05:16] <atool> so it's acutally 1.0.4 but says it's 1.0.2...?
[05:16] <bob2> no, it's 1.0.2 with security fixes
[05:16] <bob2> I'm 90% sure 1.0.4 has more stuff than that
[05:17] <nalioth> atool: no its actually 1.0.2 but with the security patches found in mozilla firefox 1.0.4
[05:17] <atool> hmm...
[05:17] <nalioth> bob2: right this time?
[05:17] <bob2> yes
[05:17] <Jesse1> hmm i still cant get music to stream through firefox
[05:18] <Jesse1> i installed mplayer and the plugin for firefox but now when i got to a site it show the buffering bar but then goes grey and nothing happens
[05:19] <atool> "This is why Ubuntu patches security on Firefox 1.0.2. But not features, so thats why it says 1.0.2, even though the security is up-to-date to 1.0.4"
[05:19] <Jesse1> what was the security holes in the firstplace?
[05:19] <BROKEN_LADDER> i encoded "1 the matrix" to ogg theora today.
[05:20] <BROKEN_LADDER> and if i knew how to use bit torrent to create a .torrent file, i'd share it.
[05:20] <nalioth> Jesse1: allowed any script kiddie to pull an "internet explorer" on your firefox
[05:21] <Jesse1> ??
[05:21] <Jesse1> make it go slow and crap?
[05:22] <Kyral> remote scripts, steal your passwords, etc
[05:22] <bob2> it let aribtrary people make firefox install software
[05:22] <atool> url spoofing i believe
[05:22] <bob2> right, by spoofing the url
[05:22] <Jesse1> ah yes
[05:22] <Jesse1> i saw a test site for that a while ago
[05:23] <nalioth> Jesse1: like i said, lets it imitate Internet Exploder
[05:24] <mushroom> damn it!
[05:28] <Jesse1> mushroom, why damn it?
[05:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> transgress you there?
[05:28] <mushroom> firefox imitated IE
[05:28] <Jesse1> far out this sucks i cant get qgspider to install i really wanted to try taht program
[05:29] <mushroom> what is qgspider?
[05:30] <transgress> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yes
[05:30] <Jesse1> a program for cheating on games
[05:31] <smile-girl> hi
[05:31] <bob2> classy
[05:31] <mushroom> ah~~~that's a plug-in for firefox?
[05:31] <Jesse1> no
[05:32] <mushroom> ;)  I'll get more information about that application via google
[05:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hey can i pm you man?
[05:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have a question for ya
[05:33] <Jesse1> yea i cant seem to install it i get a lot of errors
[05:33] <mushroom> ubuntu 5.04?
[05:33] <Jesse1> yea
[05:33] <rob^> Jesse1 i installed mplayer and the plugin for firefox but now when i got to a site it show the buffering bar but then goes grey and nothing happens  <--I get this too, any ideas?
[05:34] <Jesse1> rob^, i have no idea
[05:34] <mushroom> i have the same  problem
[05:34] <rob^> yeah, I wasn't talking to you exactly, I just copied/pasted it
[05:34] <_kevin> How long does it take for the ubuntu team to add the new 1.31 update for Gaim in the repositories
[05:34] <Jesse1> rob^, yea but still i have no idea
[05:35] <jinxi> <-- same problem
[05:35] <mushroom> you can install it by your self
[05:35] <cthulfuego> _kevin: There was a gaim security update yesterday
[05:35] <Jesse1> _kevin, shouldnt take more than a week
[05:35] <rob^> bug..?
[05:35] <cthulfuego> !info gaim hoary
[05:35] <ubotu> gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1.4-1ubuntu4 (hoary), Packaged size: 825 kB, Installed size: 2148 kB
[05:35] <mushroom> apt-get install gaim?
[05:35] <Jesse1> yup
[05:35] <cthulfuego> _kevin: I doubt they're going to upgrade the version in hoary to 1.3; most likely it'll go into breezy.
[05:35] <cthulfuego> !info gaim breezy
[05:36] <ubotu> gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.3.0-1ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 816 kB, Installed size: 2156 kB
[05:36] <cthulfuego> See?
[05:36] <Jesse1> !info
[05:36] <mushroom> yep
[05:36] <Jesse1> far out im bored
[05:37] <nalioth> so now it's 'beat the bot' time?
[05:37] <nalioth> !info transcode breezy
[05:37] <mushroom> !info qgspider
[05:37] <cthulfuego> Jesse1: http://www.goog.eocm/search?q=i+need+a+hobby
[05:37] <cthulfuego> google too
[05:37] <mushroom> ....
[05:37] <_kevin> !uptime
[05:37] <Jesse1> nice spelling
[05:37] <Darkfusion> How do I change Framebuffer size?
[05:37] <cthulfuego> Darkfusion: With boot args in menu.lst
[05:37] <nalioth> leave it to me to ask for something that doesnt exist
[05:38] <sladen> Darkfusion: vga=xxxx
[05:38] <Jesse1> any1 up for a game of monopoly?
[05:38] <_kevin> -MrNaughty- [Uptime Mirc]  [WinXP Uptime] : 1wk 1day 2hrs 5mins 19secs [Up Since] : Saturday, the 11th of June 2005 at 07:35:39pm
[05:38] <_kevin> lol i got that for !uptime
[05:38] <Jesse1> lol
[05:38] <pacifistkamakaze> !uptime
[05:38] <mushroom> LOL
[05:38] <_kevin> win xp ppl on ubuntu
[05:38] <Jesse1> he's using windows xp
[05:38] <cthulfuego> Silly people with their scripts.
[05:38] <mushroom> ppl?
[05:38] <Jesse1> lol lets break it
[05:39] <mushroom> ah~~~
[05:39] <cthulfuego> Mind you, an uptime of a week is pretty impressive for WinXP, especially considering it's on the net ;-)
[05:39] <Jesse1> ppl= people
[05:39] <nalioth> can anyone tell me where i can buy one of these? >>> http://www.macpower.com.tw/products/hdd3/m9/m9dx
[05:39] <_kevin> i got 2 weeks on a win xp
[05:39] <_kevin> online and on irc
[05:39] <mushroom> ^0^ I got it thank you!
[05:39] <cthulfuego>  13:39:51 up 94 days, 18:18,  0 users,  load average: 0.03, 0.09, 0.08
[05:40] <franky> can anybody give me some DNS ip addresses? i just installed ubuntu and domain name service doesnt work very well (it is very slow)
[05:40] <_kevin> that your uptime right now 94 dyas?
[05:40] <_kevin> days*
[05:40] <cthulfuego> On that particular machine, yes
[05:40] <_kevin> what OS are you running Ubuntu?
[05:40] <crazyhorse> it will crash in 5 days and about 10 hours and 20 minutes, for shure ;)
[05:40] <franky> yes
[05:41] <cthulfuego> _kevin: Debian Sarge (it's my primary hosting server)
[05:41] <Mez> o_O
[05:41] <Mez> I think my /boot patition has become corrupt
[05:41] <_kevin> i see
[05:41] <cthulfuego> crazyhorse: Nah, it's not running a 2.2 kernel ;-)
[05:41] <crazyhorse> i typed shure? arr, i should sleep more regulary
[05:41] <Mez> I've got backups of my klernel - just wondering the best way to reinstlal grub ?
[05:41] <Darkfusion> so how would I set framebuffer to 80x24?
[05:41] <cthulfuego> crazyhorse: it's been up to 140-odd days before
[05:41] <_kevin> is there a way to find out how long has it been since I been using linux.. I wanna kno when i installed it
[05:41] <Darkfusion> vga=?
[05:42] <cthulfuego> _kevin: Check your first log entry in /var/log
[05:42] <_kevin> k
[05:42] <crazyhorse> cthulfuego, hehe, my router was a little before 100 days when the mmap stuff came about
[05:42] <atool> does ubuntu create an install.log?
[05:42] <atool> in /home/root or anything?
[05:42] <crimsun> atool: in /var/log
[05:42] <cthulfuego> atool: I think so, yes.
[05:43] <cthulfuego> Well, it saves a template anyway
[05:43] <_kevin> cthulfuego: I'
[05:43] <cthulfuego> You' ?
[05:43] <_kevin> I'm in that folder
[05:44] <_kevin> which file do i look at?
[05:44] <atool> "ls -lrt"
[05:44] <cthulfuego> _kevin: The oldest log file you have.
[05:44] <_kevin> Sun 05 Jun 2005 03:26:13 PM EDT
[05:44] <_kevin> so like 15 days almost of using linux
[05:46] <_kevin> can some one here tell me some way to keeping my linu secre.. I have Firestarter, is there anything better or in-addition to firestarter that i should have
[05:48] <cary> bob2, seveas, or pfp
[05:48] <cary> Please tell me ssomeone is around
[05:48] <bob2> ?
[05:48] <cary> yay
[05:48] <atool> _kevin: the easiest thing to do to be secure is to not run a bunch of excess deamons.
[05:48] <atool> like mysql, apache, etc.
[05:49] <cthulfuego> _kevin: If you have blocked all incoming traffic you'll be right.
[05:49] <_kevin> atool how can i check what deamons I'm running
[05:49] <mdipi> hey all, im back
[05:49] <atool> well, they're not installed by default :)
[05:49] <nalioth> mdipi: welcome
[05:49] <mdipi> hey nalioth
[05:49] <mdipi> when i go to write my partition changes
[05:49] <mdipi> it says i dont have a root FS selected
[05:50] <mdipi> when i know i have my big partition set to ext3
[05:50] <mdipi> do i want the mount point to /home?
[05:51] <cary> bob2, i finally got my kernel to compile, and installed it
[05:51] <cary> bob2, but the boot loader crapped out
[05:51] <cary> its pointing to some file that doesnt exist
[05:51] <cary> bob2, but ihave no idea how to fix it. linux wont boot
[05:51] <Mez> fuckiddy fuk fuck
[05:51] <Mez> tip
[05:51] <cary> bob2, any ideas ? (i think the problem is that im PPC)
[05:51] <Mez> rememebr *.
[05:51] <mdipi> yeah i get "no root fle system is defined"
[05:51] <ThE__OnE> how cna i burn stuff from ubuntu onto cdr?
[05:51] <bob2> Mez: language please
[05:52] <Mez> sorry bob2 - I just deleted my /bin directory
[05:52] <nalioth> mdipi: you want a /boot (where yaboot will live <in hfs>) and a ext3 space for your root FS
[05:52] <bob2> ThE__OnE: insert a blank cd.  nautilus will pop up a "cd burner" window, and then you can drag files to it.  the select the "write cd" menu option.
[05:52] <Mez> I think I'm going to ahev to reinstall
[05:52] <concept10> Mez, are you running as root?
[05:52] <mdipi> yeah nalioth, i just realized that my ext3 was set to /home not root
[05:52] <nalioth> Mez: OH!
[05:52] <Mez> concept10, i was sudo -s'd
[05:52] <dr_willis> ThE__OnE,   thners several cdrecording front ends you can use. I tend to use "k3b" because I like it.  The Nautilus burning feture dident work well for me.
[05:53] <Mez> poo
[05:53] <Mez> ah well
[05:53] <ThE__OnE> k3b?
[05:53] <Mez> at least I get to clean up my system
[05:53] <nalioth> mez shot himself in the foot. You guys/gals/trolls in here take note
[05:53] <ThE__OnE> aapt-get it?
[05:53] <bob2> cary: it shouldn't be unbootable, unless you overwrite your existing kernel (very very bad idea)
[05:53] <ThE__OnE> sudo apt-get install k3b?
[05:53] <nalioth> not that it was mez, but the fact that it is SO EASY to wipe your system out
[05:53] <nalioth> when acting as ROOT
[05:53] <dr_willis> k3b, gnomebaker, i think thers a few others out as well.
[05:53] <Mez> nalioth - I was tired and typed rm -rf ../bin not rm -rf ../*.bin
[05:53] <ThE__OnE> bob2, is the manual for ubuntu gonna be online for for purchase?
[05:54] <ThE__OnE> bob2, is the manual for ubuntu gonna be online or for purchase?
[05:54] <ThE__OnE> *
[05:54] <nalioth> Mez: hope your foot heals
[05:54] <Mez> lol
[05:54] <DaBlade> Hello
[05:54] <Mez> :P
[05:54] <bob2> ThE__OnE: there should be some books soon
[05:54] <cary> bob2, i compiled and installed like the howto said to and seveas looked at the boot info (i pasted it on the pasteboard) and said it looked okay
[05:54] <Mez> to be fair... I could probably fix it
[05:54] <DaBlade> I'm having trouble getting my MP3 player mounted. Can anyone help me out?
[05:55] <cary> but linxu wont boot at all, and i if it fails, then i try to go back to os x without a hard restart, it wont boot. some memory error ro something. a hard restart brings the ability to mac boot again
[05:55] <nalioth> Mez: yes you could, but it's probably quicker adn easier to reinstall
[05:55] <bob2> cary: you can't boot the old kernel?
[05:55] <DaBlade> Hello?
[05:55] <Mez> I'm gonna lose all my dfata now though lol
[05:56] <ThE__OnE> bob2, ahh, only books? not viewable online
[05:56] <bob2> DaBlade: people are waiting for you tell us whether it ever worked, what sort of player it is, and what linux says about it's linux compatibilty.
[05:56] <bob2> ThE__OnE: the doc team are supposed to be making an online one
[05:56] <bob2> I don't know how far they are
[05:56] <cary> bob2, i dont really know how?
[05:56] <ThE__OnE> ok
[05:56] <cary> bob2, all i know is when i boot the loader gives me 3 options. linux, os x, and cdrom
[05:57] <djs> Mez: Perhaps you could copy /bin from an ubuntu livecd onto it (others - please critique)
[05:57] <nalioth> Mez: and a chat program    :P
[05:57] <DaBlade> bob2: It's a standard MP3 player. 256 megs.. It worked before I got a new motherboard
[05:57] <bob2> cary: and then you choose linux and get the yaboot prompt?
[05:57] <Mez> I think a reinstall is a good idea anyways
[05:57] <r0d> alsa doesnt startup from boot. I have to manually use 'etc/init.d/alsa start' and force-reload for it to work
[05:57] <Mez> lol
[05:57] <Mez> i just deleted /bin
[05:57] <bob2> DaBlade: do other usb things work?
[05:57] <ThE__OnE> because someone told be theres gonna be a manual but i thought it was to be purchased sice ubuntu is offering soo much for free, like free cds
[05:57] <cary> yeah, what do i do at the yaboot
[05:57] <bob2> cary: hit tab
[05:57] <Mez> and djs - I only have hoary livecds
[05:57] <DaBlade> bob2: The mouse, yeah
[05:57] <bob2> cary: and type LinuxOld or whatever it is
[05:57] <nalioth> djs: he can fix it, he's a pro
[05:57] <cary> okay
[05:57] <Octane> I keep getting random lines like this in /var/log/messages/ -- Jun 19 23:57:11 dan kernel: DROPPED IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:11:d8:d5:10:23:00:90:1a:40:a2:9f:08:00 SRC=81.178.221.239 DST=66.92.100.149 LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x20 TTL=51 ID=44521 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=40751 DPT=44618 SEQ=769462728 ACK=0 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN...
[05:57] <dr_willis> whats up ThE__OnE ?
[05:57] <Octane> any idea what causes them?
[05:58] <djs> k
[05:58] <ThE__OnE> can i PM, i cant talk well in this chatter
[05:58] <bob2> Octane: it's not random, it's firewall logging
[05:58] <ThE__OnE> my eyes hurt =)
[05:58] <Octane> bob2, oh okay thanks
[05:58] <cary> bob2, i guess ill try that now
[05:58] <bob2> cary: that should work
[05:58] <bob2> cary: then come back and I'll tell you how to fix the other problem
[05:58] <Jman888> Hello
[05:58] <cary> ok
[05:58] <dr_willis> ThE__OnE,  just 'sudo apt-get install k3b' then run it :P or chedk the ubuntu wiki for cd burning information.
[05:59] <jinxi> hey bob2, what's the file to edit to thange the vga of the boot?
[05:59] <ThE__OnE> any default cd burning come with ubuntu upon install?
[05:59] <bob2> jinxi: /boot/grub/menu.lst
[05:59] <bob2> ThE__OnE: yes, the file manager can burn cds
[05:59] <nalioth> ThE__OnE: sure, the nautilus built-in one
[05:59] <Jman888> Should i get Ububtu Linux or should i stay with SuSe. (Suse is 95.4% Downloaded)
[05:59] <nalioth> ThE__OnE: its similar to the one in XP
[05:59] <ThE__OnE> where is it located persay
[05:59] <Mez> MWAHAHAHAHA
[05:59] <Mez> i SUCK SOOOOOOOOO MUCH
[06:00] <DaBlade> bob2: Wanna see the final lines in dmesg?
[06:00] <Mez> iT'S GONNA TAKE FOREVER TO GET BACK TO HOW I WAS
[06:00] <nalioth> Jman888: why are you asking that in THIS channel? you know what the answer is gona be.. .. ..
[06:00] <Mez> HMM
[06:00] <Mez> damn caps
[06:00] <nalioth> ThE__OnE: when you put a blank cd in your burner, a window should pop up
[06:00] <Mez> nalitoh  - fancy SSHing into me?
[06:00] <bob2> ThE__OnE: just load a blank cd and it will pop up
[06:00] <bob2> DaBlade: ok, #flood
[06:00] <Mez> and uploading the bin folder?
[06:00] <Jman888> ....I thought you might think i shouldent wait 6more hours
[06:00] <ThE__OnE> ahh ok
[06:00] <ThE__OnE> thanks
[06:00] <Jman888> Ive been downloading for 2 days
[06:00] <nalioth> Mez: and you'll be damn site more careful with sudo -s in the future, eh?
[06:00] <nalioth> Mez: that sounds pornographic
[06:01] <rob^> mez, what did you do?
[06:01] <bob2> Jman888: might as well install suse then...you'll appreciate ubuntu all the more when you switch ;p
[06:01] <nalioth> Mez: oh never mind, my stuff is all PPC
[06:01] <Mez> ah fair enough
[06:01] <nalioth> Mez: you'd have GREAT fun figgerin why it wasnt workin
[06:01] <Mez> rob^ i deleted /bin by accident
[06:01] <Mez> cant ssh into localhost anywyas
[06:02] <rob^> nice..
[06:02] <Mez> :'(
[06:02] <Razor-X> hey
[06:02] <Mez> I was tired thats why i cocked up
[06:02] <Razor-X> nalioth: I got eterm working
[06:02] <Razor-X> for that matter, i'm using it now
[06:02] <Jman888> Is there a torrent for Ubuntu?
[06:02] <Jman888> Torrents seem faster
[06:02] <Mez> now to get my kubuntu CD out and hope it still works
[06:02] <Razor-X> i'm gonna try to add in the bind that F11 == Emacs mode ;)
[06:02] <nalioth> Razor-X: fancy that, i fired mine up and it quits immediately
[06:02] <nalioth> Jman888: several torrents
[06:02] <Razor-X> Jman888: there is
[06:02] <Mez> or i could switch to gentoo
[06:02] <cary> bob2, okay, i think im on old
[06:02] <Razor-X> nalioth: SEGSIEV?
[06:03] <nalioth> Razor-X: have no clue
[06:03] <Mez> BBIAB
[06:03] <Mez> i hope
[06:03] <Razor-X> nalioth: why does it quit?
[06:03] <bob2> cary: now edit /etc/yaboot.conf and find the Linux block
[06:03] <bob2> cary: then comment out the bit about the initrd
[06:03] <nalioth> Razor-X: have no clue
[06:03] <Razor-X> I did a lot of things to get this to work
[06:03] <Razor-X> in fact, this is a compiled eterm
[06:03] <Razor-X> when I finally found my error, I realized I coulda done it with a binary, but I compiled native twin support into this, so it's all good ;)
[06:03] <nalioth> mebbe i'll compile one
[06:03] <DaBlade> there, pasted dmesg
[06:04] <Razor-X> nalioth: run Eterm in terminal and tell me the results
[06:04] <nightwolf> ok so i used breezy, and now java vm wont start, its whining about libX11.so
[06:04] <nalioth> Eterm:  Error:  Unable to run sub-command.
[06:04] <X7C> anybody using wifi?
[06:04] <bob2> nightwolf: welcome to broken-town!
[06:04] <nalioth> hate this bloody terminal-emulater
[06:04] <nightwolf> yay :(
[06:04] <bob2> nightwolf: usee ldd to find out where it thinks the library should be
[06:05] <X7C> i need to ask some questions.....
[06:05] <bob2> DaBlade: there you go, it doesn't understand the partition table on it
[06:05] <nightwolf> ldd on the libX11 file?
[06:05] <Jman888> Dang Tons of People Must be seeding Ubuntu
[06:05] <cary> bob2, i commented out both
[06:05] <DaBlade> bob2: Is there anything I can do?
[06:05] <cary> bob2, while im in here, can i make os x the deault boot option?
[06:06] <bob2> DaBlade: I don't know (I can't think of anything)
[06:06] <bob2> cary: commented out both what?
[06:06] <DaBlade> Anybody else please?
[06:06] <cary> bob2, ##	initrd=/boot/initrd.img.old
[06:06] <bob2> I'm pretty sure there's nothing you can do
[06:06] <bob2> cary: er, don't do that
[06:06] <cary> haha
[06:06] <nightwolf> bob, ldd on the libX11.so shows 5 more libs, which all exist
[06:06] <Jman888> Wait i had a prob with ubuntu before.
[06:06] <bob2> cary: if yo udo, you won't be able to boot your old kernel when the new one screws up
[06:06] <bob2> nightwolf: no, on java
[06:06] <DaBlade> I'm gonna go away for almost all day, I need some music not to fall asleep lmao
[06:06] <Jman888> I tried to install and it couldnt read it right.
[06:06] <nightwolf> ah doh
[06:07] <cary> bob2, awesome. i undid that
[06:07] <cary> shall i paste this file to the paste board?
[06:07] <bob2> that would be good
[06:07] <bob2> or #flood
[06:07] <Razor-X> nalioth: what happens when you run Eterm in Terminal?
[06:08] <nightwolf> bob, ldd on java doesnt show the libX11.so directly, just 4 other ones
[06:08] <bob2> nightwolf: recurse through them until you find where it is getting confused, I guess
[06:08] <nightwolf> ok
[06:08] <cary> bob2, pasted
[06:09] <bob2> don't see it..
[06:10] <oga> hello boys and girls..... i was wondering if anybody could help me with my ati drivers / xorg.conf / XFree86-4 etc.... i've been going through the forums but everyone else seems to finish with "that worked" no such luck for me.
[06:10] <nalioth> Razor-X: paging Razor-X
[06:10] <bob2> ignore the forums
[06:10] <bob2> follow wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:11] <oga> i'll give it a bash bob2
[06:11] <Razor-X> errr, nalioth!
[06:11] <Razor-X> sorry!
[06:11] <Razor-X> i'm here now, nalioth ;)
[06:12] <nightwolf> bob, none of the files reference libX11.so that i can see
[06:12] <Razor-X> does it SEGSIEV, nalioth?
[06:13] <nalioth> Razor-X: there is a msg window with your name on it on my end here
[06:13] <bob2> "SEV"
[06:13] <Guerin> SIGSIEVE == grep
[06:13] <Razor-X> nalioth: odd....
[06:13] <Razor-X> I didn't see the message?
[06:13] <bob2> nightwolf: well, eventually it tries to use it, you might have to chase it deeper
[06:13] <Razor-X> hold on
[06:13] <nightwolf> bob, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/137   thats what it shows right now
[06:14] <jmazaredo> anyone can help me in virtual hosting is this right http://pastebin.com/302043
[06:14] <bob2> hah, segfault, go java
[06:18] <Myrtti> morning folks
[06:19] <Octane> anyone here know how to change nfs ports?
[06:20] <cary> bob2, according to that paste of the yaboot.conf file..it looks like its pointing to initrd.img. is that linking to another file, or is that a file that is supposed to exist.
[06:21] <bob2> cary: I didn't see that file anywhere
[06:21] <bob2> cary: initrd.img will indeed be a symlink
[06:22] <surly> where are the tools to harden my ubuntu box?
[06:22] <cary> bob2, im going ot paste the contents of my boot dir, okay?
[06:22] <bob2> ok...
[06:22] <bob2> surly: what do you want to harden?
[06:22] <bob2> by default it has nothing listening on network ports
[06:23] <cary> bob2, pasted again.   http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/138
[06:24] <r0d> trying to use dvd-rom and its saying I dont have permissions. my /etc/fstab is correct for 'user,noauto'
[06:24] <surly> i came over from bsd, i want nothing running unless i start it
[06:24] <DukGalNamu> hey, whats a good command line mail program?
[06:24] <sjoeboo> mutt
[06:24] <bob2> surly: already done
[06:24] <sjoeboo> if setup well, its awsome
[06:24] <bob2> DukGalNamu: mutt
[06:25] <DukGalNamu> bob2: ok so apt-get?
[06:25] <bob2> r0d: *what* is saying that?
[06:25] <bob2> DukGalNamu: indeed
[06:25] <DukGalNamu> bob2: cool
[06:25] <bob2> tho I think it's installed by default
[06:25] <surly> ok..very good...i will install and test...thanks
[06:26] <DukGalNamu> bob2: yeah its already installed
[06:26] <X7C> somebody that uses wifi with ubuntu?
[06:26] <bob2> X7C: lots of people do
[06:26] <bob2> if you have a question, it's way easier if you just ask
[06:26] <Raskall> X7C: more than on other distros, even. Since ndiswrapper comes bundled with the kernel.
[06:27] <mez> well
[06:27] <mez> i got me a new kubuntu system
[06:27] <r0d> bob2,  'the folder contents could not be displayed. you do not have the permissions to view cdrom1'. this is a dvd
[06:27] <bob2> r0d: so, it's from nautilus? (the file manager)
[06:27] <r0d> yea
[06:27] <nalioth> mez: you're still smoking there, bud
[06:28] <X7C> ok.. how did you configure the wlan0 interface so it would come up automatically on boot... i haven't been able to do that
[06:28] <bob2> X7C: it's setup in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:28] <bob2> Raskall: woo, congrats!
[06:28] <HrdwrBoB> Raskall: ooh excelent
[06:28] <HrdwrBoB> excellent too
[06:28] <X7C> i have to use a script (house of craig thingie)
[06:28] <X7C> bob2 haven't been able with that one
[06:29] <Raskall> bob2: thanks. :) It has been a dream to work with linux since I did my first install in 1993.
[06:29] <bob2> wow :-)
[06:29] <Raskall> bob2: sadly they use and develop for redhat and suse, but I guess I'll live anyways.
[06:29] <bob2> X7C: well, it's possible, unless you have to use wpa
[06:29] <bob2> Raskall: now to begin subtely converting them ;)
[06:30] <Raskall> bob2: the thought has crossed my mind. :) but Ubuntu has to get certified for the big companies (oracle, sybase, etc) before it's possible.
[06:31] <mez> huh nalitoh?
[06:32] <mez> nalitoh *
[06:32] <mez> nalioth*
[06:33] <concept10> Raskall, what will be your responsibilities in that position?
[06:34] <ThE__OnE> !breeze
[06:34] <ubotu> ThE__OnE: I haven't a clue
[06:34] <Raskall> concept10: internal system and infrastructure maintenance.
[06:35] <siimo> !breezy
[06:35] <ubotu> Breezy is due for release in October 2005  If you need to ask if it can be used yet, you shouldn't use it (X is broken, and other important packages could be too)
[06:35] <Raskall> concept10: a handfull of developers has done that up til now. They didn't want to do it anymore, so they hired me.
[06:35] <concept10> Raskall, that sounds good
[06:36] <cthulfuego> Woohoo, job in China :-)
[06:37] <bob2> haha, cool
[06:37] <nalioth> mez: so did your gnome reappear?
[06:38] <cthulfuego> Another session for Coke, it seems. Like  the Kota Kinabalu one.
[06:38] <Raskall> well.. bus in 10 minutes. c ya
[06:39] <Octane> if i add a file in /etc/modutils will it be read on boot?
[06:39] <Octane> itll have options in there for nfs
[06:39] <cthulfuego> Octane: Just run 'sudo update-modules'
[06:39] <cary> bob2, so is there any easy way of fixing (the link to the image??) for my booting?
[06:39] <mdipi> Hey all! Running Ubuntu right now
[06:39] <mdipi> thanks for all the help
[06:39] <Octane> cthulfuego, i know, but in the future
[06:40] <nalioth> mdipi: welcome
[06:40] <cthulfuego> Octane: yeah
[06:40] <bob2> cary: you've lost me
[06:40] <mdipi> now I just gotta config the Yaboot a bit and I'll be good
[06:40] <nalioth> mdipi: just stay near a cat5 cable, right?
[06:40] <cary> bob2, i guess..how the crap can i fix my booting
[06:40] <mdipi> yeah
[06:40] <cthulfuego> mdipi: Don't forget to install 'mol'.
[06:40] <mdipi> its not so bad
[06:40] <cary> bob2, i dont know what the alter in yaboot.conf
[06:40] <bob2> cary: what's broken?
[06:40] <Octane> cthulfuego, thanks
[06:40] <mdipi> cthulfuego, mol?
[06:40] <nalioth> cthulfuego: thought it was standard?
[06:40] <cthulfuego> mdipi: mac On Linux
[06:40] <cary> i dont know
[06:40] <mdipi> cthulfuego, ahh iave heard of it
[06:40] <bob2> cary: ...
[06:40] <bob2> cary: presumably something isn't working
[06:40] <mdipi> cthulfuego, i have a mac on my toher partition though... lol
[06:40] <cthulfuego> mdipi: Basically, run your macOS (X) install on tty8, next to X :-)
[06:41] <nalioth> mdipi: it is like wine or vmware on x86 (only at full speed)
[06:41] <cthulfuego> mdipi: yeah, they can run simultaneously.
[06:41] <mdipi> cthulfuego, yeah i'll give it a try no doubt
[06:41] <nalioth> mdipi: only if you want to
[06:41] <mdipi> nalioth, no no, ive heard a lot about it, so im going to
[06:41] <mez> nalitoh, I'm a KDE user not a Gnome user :DS so i got my KDE abck :D
[06:41] <mdipi> nalioth, im just getting the booter taken care of too
[06:42] <mez> nalioth, I'm a KDE user not a Gnome user :D so i got my KDE back :D
[06:42] <cary> bob2, i just dont understand why when i install the new kernel the yaboot adjustment that it did automatically didnt work. in the past when i hit enter at the yaboot screen it woudl boot. now i can type old to boot to this, but ifi hit enter it screws up royally
[06:42] <mdipi> mez, do you like KDE? im thinking about trying Kubutu, my friend just downloaded it and loves it
[06:42] <mez> mdipi: it's great - once you get used to it :D
[06:42] <mez> mdipi: It cna be confusing at first, but it's very purdy, adn quite useable
[06:42] <mdipi> nalioth, you said youre dual booting OSX too right? I just have to edit /etc/yaboot.conf and change 'defaultos=macosx' right?
[06:42] <bob2> cary: it works fine, your kernel is screwed
[06:42] <nalioth> mdipi: you have enought space to try anything you like
[06:43] <bob2> cary: in that it doesn't use an initrd
[06:43] <rommer> with the 'uptime' is it possible to find the length of the previous uptime, or the longest period of uptime?
[06:43] <nalioth> mdipi: i have over 6 Desktop Manglers on my system here
[06:43] <mdipi> nalioth, lol yeah, i intend to try a lot righ tnow, im foolding around
[06:43] <tsume> has anyone made VS .NET working under linux?
[06:43] <mdipi> nalioth, and youre only on 5 gigs right? nice man :D
[06:43] <bob2> cary: so, comment out the initrd line ONLY  for the kernel you built, and run "ybin -v" and reboot.  enter should work.
[06:43] <nalioth> mdipi: re yaboot = yes
[06:43] <mdipi> nice :D
[06:43] <DukGalNamu>  21:43:11 up 40 days,  8:58,  1 user,  load average: 0.01, 0.08, 0.07
[06:43] <mdipi> nalioth,  weird, i dont see a default os
[06:43] <mez> tsume- i wouldnt even try :D
[06:44] <nalioth> mdipi: i was gonna tell you earlier, i have my OSX hfs+ automagically mounted in my $homedir
[06:44] <siimo> i think my ubuntu box got hacked
[06:44] <Xenguy> siimo: ?
[06:44] <mdipi> nalioth, im not to sure what that means?
[06:44] <nalioth> mdipi: so i save all my pR0n, er files on 40+ gb of space
[06:44] <cthulfuego> siimo: yeah sorry about that, i needed a temp shell box
[06:44] <bob2> siimo: that would be very impressive
[06:44] <siimo> it seems to have rebooted
[06:44] <concept10> you guys actually run linux on your macs?
[06:44] <tsume> mez: well, I need to make a decision, get VS working under linux, or install windows xp pro
[06:44] <carey> I just did an instal from an old burn of the last round of ubuntu.. If I want to upgrade to hoary, someone mentioned changing repositories and doing an upgrade.. Is that possible? and how?
[06:44] <nalioth> mdipi: linux can read and write to many different filesystems
[06:44] <mez> siimo: ubuntu is quite safew unless you go intalling problematic stuff/choosing an easy to crack password
[06:44] <bob2> concept10: lots of people do; mac hardware is quite nice
[06:44] <tsume> mez: I'd rather have the first working
[06:44] <mdipi> nalioth, ah :D nice actually, im going to be near my ext drives usually so i'll probably use those
[06:44] <mez> tsume - why do you need VS?
[06:45] <tsume> mez: job...
[06:45] <nalioth> mdipi: i mount my mac partition automatically when i boot, and can access it from my /home/user directory
[06:45] <bob2> carey: wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[06:45] <DukGalNamu> what is VS
[06:45] <simpatico> has anyone got fbsplash working or a nice bootup
[06:45] <siimo> maybe i need to upgrade to hoary
[06:45] <tsume> DukGalNamu: Visual Studio
[06:45] <concept10> bob2, yeah - i understand that but os x is nice also.  Maybe dual boot
[06:45] <mez> dont use VS under Linux - use it under windows - if you have to use it
[06:45] <simpatico> getting sick of the black and white boot
[06:45] <mez> you're just gonna cause lots of problems using it under linux
[06:45] <tsume> mez: :(
[06:45] <DukGalNamu> tsume: why so yuo need it?
[06:45] <mdipi> nalioth, yeah, it seems like a good idea -- i gotta get this boot fix down first though lol, by default its not set up for dual boot?
[06:45] <tsume> mez: I'd be linuxless at home
[06:45] <nalioth> mdipi: i do this automount thing on all the linux systems i install (fat32, hfs, etc)
[06:46] <mez> tsuem - dual boot
[06:46] <nalioth> mdipi: it should be set up for dual boot
[06:46] <tsume> mez: not a choice
[06:46] <mez> tsume - why?
[06:46] <mdipi> nalioth, yeah thats what i thought, but i dont see the default os
[06:46] <carey> bob2: Perfect, thank you
[06:46] <tsume> mez: stretching buck right now
[06:46] <mdipi> nalioth, i'm just gonna add it then i guess
[06:46] <tsume> mez: I need an actual job right now
[06:46] <nalioth> mdipi: you dont see two options?
[06:46] <mez> tsuem - but why cant you dual boot windows/linux?
[06:46] <cary> bob2, ,here we go. thank you again for help. now time ot see if it works
[06:46] <amonkey> can you change a mount from ro to rw while it's mounted?
[06:47] <mdipi> nalioth, i see macosx = /dev/hda3
[06:47] <tsume> mez: not enough space, only 80 G drive
[06:47] <simpatico> has anyone setup a graphical boot on ubuntu??
[06:47] <tsume> and I don't have enough money for anothe rdrive right now
[06:47] <mez> 80Gb is more than enoughto dual boot
[06:47] <tsume> mez: not for me :)
[06:47] <tsume> mez: its actually too small
[06:47] <HrdwrBoB> tsume: no, 80gb is more than enough.
[06:47] <mdipi> tsume, im dual booting on a 60 gig drive
[06:47] <tsume> I need to get a 120
[06:47] <mez> simpatico: what do you mean by "graphicla boot
[06:47] <tsume> you must not be developers...
[06:47] <siimo> im dual booting with a 8gig drive
[06:47] <tsume> geezz..
[06:48] <simpatico> using fbsplash
[06:48] <concept10> I wish I could switch ubuntu to a blue theme
[06:48] <tsume> this bites so badly
[06:48] <mez> tsume - I'm a backports developer - and i've built a =few things for breezy - plus I *am* a web developer/part time windows developer
[06:48] <tsume> I'd rather use VS on linux if I could
[06:48] <siimo> concept10, download the theme pack for clearlooks
[06:48] <simpatico> graphical boot is a good resolution on boot anding colour anfd images
[06:48] <cyphase> http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/2002.1.22.73620.4010.html <- Star Trek Linux
[06:48] <mez> tsume - have a look at winehq.org
[06:48] <tsume> mez: well come on then :) do some vid work ;)
[06:48] <mez> if not, look at crossover office
[06:48] <nalioth> concept10: go and find the wiki article on 'bluecurve' theme
[06:48] <tsume> mez: Checked, and they didn't say anything
[06:49] <tsume> mez: fyi, wine is dead
[06:49] <Amaranth> ah...
[06:49] <Amaranth> finally home
[06:49] <mez> tsume :D it still works nicely
[06:49] <mez> hey Amaranth
[06:49] <tsume> mez: win98 apps only, NT apps are a rare
[06:49] <concept10> siimo, i want to switch everything to blue including the wallpaper
[06:49] <Amaranth> hey mez
[06:49] <concept10> nalioth, thanks
[06:49] <tsume> mez: wine is dead :)
[06:49] <tsume> cxoffice is dead too
[06:49] <nalioth> mdipi: ya catch all that?
[06:49] <tsume> ms is making it too hard for then to adapt
[06:49] <Amaranth> tsume: Dead?
[06:50] <mdipi> nalioth, yeah man, thanks so much
[06:50] <tsume> Amaranth: wine doesn't support NT apps
[06:50] <Amaranth> tsume: I'm on the mailing list, they've had 50 new threads in the last week
[06:50] <mdipi> nalioth, acutally it ended at 'initrd-size=8192'
[06:50] <Amaranth> tsume: Oh, you mean that.
[06:50] <mdipi> nalioth, unless thats the end?
[06:51] <bob2> "NT apps"? you mean win32? sure it does.
[06:51] <nalioth> mdipi: thats the end
[06:51] <tsume> Amaranth: I forsee the projects "end of life"
[06:51] <mdipi> nalioth, okay sweet :D
[06:51] <Amaranth> tsume: They support a lot of them but if they make wine run in win2k or winxp mode apps try to use weird APIs that aren't common that they don't need.
[06:51] <mez> I've los tmy email accounts
[06:51] <Amaranth> tsume: They have legal backing and are releasing 0.9 at the end of the year
[06:51] <mez> shit i knew i forgot something
[06:51] <Amaranth> tsume: I don't see it dying at all.
[06:51] <concept10> nalioth, what would that be listed under (i searched bluecurve)
[06:52] <tsume> bob2: NT apps, meaning NT based applications
[06:52] <mez> nalitoth,. I've lsot the mailing list for UNP - can you forward me back the last email i sent you
[06:52] <nalioth> concept10: here's the gist: find the fedora bluecurve theme (rpmfind.com or whereever) and use alien on it
[06:52] <tsume> 98 based apps run fine however
[06:52] <Amaranth> tsume: iTunes more or less works.
[06:52] <concept10> nalioth, k
[06:52] <Amaranth> tsume: They have a _lot_ of NT support.
[06:53] <tsume> Amaranth: not much works however :)
[06:53] <Amaranth> tsume: The ReactOS project (GPL'd NT4) uses WINE libraries.
[06:53] <tsume> and each time I build wine from cvs it segfaults :)
[06:53] <tsume> Amaranth: NT == 2k and XP as well
[06:53] <Amaranth> unlike some projects WINE doesn't guarantee CVS will build and work daily
[06:53] <mez> nalioth you knwo who i mean
[06:53] <Amaranth> tsume: Not even close.
[06:53] <mez> I'm tired and irritable
[06:54] <bob2> where can I find out exactly what "nt program" means?
[06:54] <tsume> Amaranth: yes they are
[06:54] <Amaranth> tsume: A _LOT_ of APIs were added in 2k and XP.
[06:54] <tsume> Amaranth: read the code.
[06:54] <tsume> Amaranth: its still NT
[06:54] <Amaranth> tsume: NT kernel, yes.
[06:54] <Amaranth> but NT4 != XP
[06:54] <tsume> Amaranth: good portions of the code hasn't changed in years
[06:54] <nalioth> mez: and your foot has a smoking hole in it
[06:54] <tsume> Amaranth: no, more than the kernel
[06:54] <tsume> Amaranth: GINA is the same as well
[06:54] <tsume> Amaranth: many others libs
[06:54] <Amaranth> tsume: of course
[06:55] <mez> yeah nalitoh
[06:55] <mez> I'm tired
[06:55] <tsume> Amaranth: 2k and XP are just versions of NT with added libs
[06:55] <Amaranth> tsume: But they are enough different that apps that need XP generally don't run on NT or XP
[06:55] <Amaranth> tsume: They're backward compatible, yes.
[06:55] <tsume> Amaranth: well of course, theres more added
[06:55] <LordKahless> hey someone think they could help me? i just installed ubuntu on my laptop but for some reason, i get some wierd ass pattern on my screen when it trys to start x. any one know a fix?
[06:55] <tsume> Amaranth: its still mostly NT
[06:55] <bob2> LordKahless: black and white dots?
[06:56] <Amaranth> tsume: 2k or XP are better targets to support for WINE than NT4 though, since they are more compatible with 9x
[06:56] <LordKahless> not really
[06:56] <LordKahless> it actually looks like a wierd visualization from itunes LOL
[06:57] <tsume> Amaranth: well, theres much code missing, as Borland db libs will not install via wine
[06:57] <LordKahless> except i can see the mouse cursor but i cant move it
[06:57] <Amaranth> tsume: File a bug? :)
[06:57] <tsume> Amaranth: So, I don't know/think VS will install
[06:57] <tsume> Amaranth: its been done.. since 2001
[06:57] <Amaranth> must not be important to WINE developers or users then
[06:57] <LordKahless> any ideas?
[06:57] <tsume> Amaranth: many apps use that stupid lib
[06:58] <Amaranth> tsume: Not many users use apps that use that lib, appearently.
[06:58] <tsume> Amaranth: cx office installed it okay, wish they wouldn't be pricks about code sharing :)
[06:58] <Amaranth> tsume: They aren't.
[06:59] <tsume> they aren't sharing enough fyi
[06:59] <Amaranth> tsume: They have to share it all, they're required.
[06:59] <tsume> only the small meager parts they share
[06:59] <tsume> Amaranth: no they aren't
[06:59] <Amaranth> tsume: WINE is LGPL
[06:59] <bob2> wine is under the LGPL now, they don't have to share everything
[06:59] <tsume> Amaranth: only if they modify the existing code
[06:59] <Amaranth> tsume: If they change WINE they have to share their changes
[07:00] <tsume> Amaranth: they can add on code and not share that
[07:00] <bob2> Amaranth: that's not true
[07:00] <Amaranth> bob2: It used to be BSD, they didn't have to share anything.
[07:00] <bob2> Amaranth: yes, and LGPL ensure they have to share some things
[07:00] <bob2> but not all of it
[07:00] <tsume> exactly
[07:01] <LordKahless> hmm but if i boot single user mode, it works fine
[07:01] <bob2> (this is the whole point of the lgpl existing)
[07:01] <tsume> Amaranth: I leave it to myself, since I know how to read licenses
[07:01] <bob2> anyway
[07:01] <Amaranth> bob2: Yes but if they change WINE itself they have to share those changes.
[07:01] <Amaranth> tsume: You aren't a laywer, your opinions really don't count.
[07:01] <bob2> Amaranth: if they change existing code, yeah
[07:01] <Amaranth> tsume: Neither do mine.
[07:02] <tsume> gah! why do people use crappy slow java for projects
[07:02] <Amaranth> java isn't slow
[07:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> bob2 can ipm you for a quick sec?
[07:02] <bob2> ChurcH_of_FoamY: ok...
[07:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx
[07:02] <tsume> Amaranth: actually they do, because I've a complete understanding how to read legal documents
[07:02] <tsume> Amaranth: yes, java is slow
[07:02] <bob2> tsume: Amaranth both these arguments are off-topic
[07:02] <Amaranth> bob2: Good point.
[07:02] <tsume> Amaranth: write a large app/framework, then come back with a valid response
[07:02] <bob2> tsume: stop it
[07:03] <bob2> haha
[07:03] <Amaranth> :D
[07:03] <Amaranth> uhoh
[07:03] <Amaranth> i haven't upgraded breezy in 7 days
[07:03] <Amaranth> i'm scared
[07:03] <tsume> Amaranth: shame!
[07:03] <tsume> Amaranth: I've upgraded everyday
[07:03] <tsume> Amaranth: I'm leeching the unstable debian archive too though..
[07:03] <tsume> :)
[07:03] <Amaranth> tsume: I didn't have net access
[07:03] <tsume> Amaranth: shame!
[07:03] <Amaranth> please don't mix sid and breezy
[07:04] <Amaranth> eek
[07:04] <Amaranth> 298 upgrades
[07:04] <tsume> Amaranth: I'm running Sleezy right now :)
[07:05] <tsume> Amaranth: actually I added sid on accident, because I was using.. http://www.kiskeyix.org's archive
[07:06] <Guerin> tsume: sleezy... is that breezy's city-dwelling cousin?
[07:07] <cyphase> fuck CNN
[07:07] <cyphase> they start having free video's, then they say you need windows media player
[07:07] <cyphase> *sigh*
[07:07] <Guerin> cyphase: utsl
[07:08] <Guerin> cyphase: as in, read the page source and cnp the urls into mplayer or whatever
[07:08] <cyphase> Guerin, i know, that what i'm trying now
[07:08] <cyphase> but they're obfuscating it
[07:08] <cyphase> 1 sec..
[07:09] <Guerin> cyphase: they always do. Nassyt javascript... we hatesss it, yess.
[07:09] <cyphase> lol
[07:09] <matjan_> does anyone have a speedstream dsl modem?
[07:11] <cyphase> Geurin, found it
[07:11] <cyphase> i think
[07:12] <cyphase> http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html
[07:12] <LordKahless> when u boot single user mode, what run level does linux default to?
[07:12] <Amaranth> whatever the CLI one is
[07:12] <Amaranth> 3?
[07:12] <bob2> LordKahless: 1
[07:13] <bob2> Amaranth: 2-5 are identical in ubuntu
[07:13] <Amaranth> oh
[07:13] <LordKahless> coz my lappy boots fine in single, but not normally
[07:13] <Amaranth> i thought 1 was reboot
[07:13] <Xenguy> Amaranth: 0
[07:13] <Amaranth> what is shutdown?
[07:13] <bob2> 6
[07:14] <Amaranth> hrm
[07:14] <bob2> er, other way round
[07:14] <Amaranth> something on my machine is busted badly
[07:14] <LordKahless> i cant figure out what the problem is with ubuntu :/
[07:14] <Amaranth> synaptic just said it couldn't write a file and gnome-terminal froze on loading
[07:14] <bob2> 0 = halt, 6 = reboot
[07:15] <LordKahless> when i boot normally it makes this wierd picture when trying to start gdm
[07:15] <cthulfuego> synaptic reckons all my X apckages are pinned.
[07:15] <LordKahless> but single usermode works fine, and when i start gdm it works fine
[07:15] <bob2> with the regular drivers?
[07:15] <cthulfuego> dpkg disagrees
[07:15] <Xenguy> my error...
[07:15] <Xenguy> # Runlevel 0 is halt.
[07:15] <Xenguy> # Runlevel 1 is single-user.
[07:15] <Xenguy> # Runlevels 2-5 are multi-user.
[07:15] <Xenguy> # Runlevel 6 is reboot.
[07:15] <Amaranth> brb
[07:16] <LordKahless> well i know the las tthing my puter does before screwing up it say "starting laptop services" i think, whats that?
[07:16] <cyphase> holy shit..
[07:16] <cyphase> does anyone know if there are utilities that will obfuscate code for you?
[07:16] <cyphase> lol
[07:16] <bob2> why?
[07:16] <cyphase> CNN seems to be using it in their video playing javascript code
[07:17] <bob2> there are indeed
[07:17] <bob2> that's pretty lame tho
[07:17] <Xenguy> . o O (and so is CNN)
[07:18] <whitti> How do you leave the x server and get back to a console in hoary?
[07:18] <Xenguy> whitti: Shift-Alt F#
[07:18] <aty> anyone here know how to config ftdp?
[07:18] <bob2> ctrl-alt-f1
[07:18] <whitti> Xenguy: thanks
[07:18] <bob2> I don't htink it's ever had a shift in there
[07:18] <Xenguy> whitti: yw
[07:18] <thieflar> Hey everyone.
[07:18] <Xenguy> sorry - gah
[07:19] <Xenguy> whitti: Ctrl-Alt F#
[07:19] <thieflar> Ok, I just installed Ubuntu, and my screen resolution is fixed at 640x480.... it won't let me change it. I'm pretty sure this means my graphics card isn't being recognized or something, and is there any way I can fix it without getting a new monitor?
[07:20] <Xenguy> thieflar: what's yer card?
[07:20] <Amaranth> ick
[07:20] <Amaranth> / got remounted read-only, that means it had an error
[07:20] <Amaranth> ran fsck and rebooted
[07:20] <bob2> er
[07:20] <bob2> you should have read dmesg first
[07:20] <hondje> resolution generally means horiz/vert settings in the Monitor section. Run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (I think)
[07:21] <cthulfuego> Is X in breezy still broken?
[07:21] <Amaranth> it's funny, when / get remounted read-only and an error about that gets sent to the root mailbox you get more errors because it can't write to the root mailbox
[07:21] <Amaranth> bob2: I knew I forgot something.
[07:21] <hondje> Amaranth: heh, happened to me about three weeks ago
[07:21] <hondje> was a wild ride until I managed to get shutdown -Fr going
[07:21] <Amaranth> i had about 100 bonobo-activation-server processes open on me
[07:22] <cthulfuego> Amaranth: You running breezy, is X still busted or is there an easy workaround?
[07:23] <Amaranth> cthulfuego: I don't know, it works here.
[07:23] <cthulfuego> Okay
[07:23] <Amaranth> cthulfuego: lots of workarounds
[07:23] <cthulfuego> Amaranth: url?
[07:23] <Amaranth> cthulfuego: i don't know if any of them are needed are even still there through all the upgrades
[07:23] <Amaranth> cthulfuego: I got them from the channel, dunno what they were
[07:23] <cthulfuego> okay, i'll grp ubotus log
[07:23] <Amaranth> we've had about 10-20 new releases of X since
[07:24] <Amaranth> not this channel
[07:24] <Amaranth> -devel
[07:24] <cthulfuego> d'oh :-)
[07:24] <kittymag> ?
[07:24] <nalioth> kittymag: howdy
[07:25] <nalioth> well
[07:27] <soopurman> i've created a new character-special file in /dev using 'mknod' and set the ownership and permissions the way i want them.  now how can i get this to stay persisten accross reboots ?
[07:29] <soopurman> (in fedora i could just copy the file into /etc/udev/devices but that doesn't seem to work in ubuntu)
[07:29] <darylstyrk> Evening everyone.
[07:30] <dr_willis> hmm.
[07:30] <thieflar> I did the reconfiguring thing, same problem.
[07:30] <thieflar> Is there any way to install a different video driver or something?
[07:30] <dstyrk> how are noob questions handled here?
[07:31] <hondje> dstyrk: with answers
[07:31] <dstyrk> Ah..
[07:31] <dstyrk> cool
[07:31] <hondje> yeah, concur :)
[07:31] <Amaranth> anyone know the command to remount /dev/hda1 rw?
[07:32] <Amaranth> instead of rebooting, i figure this will be easier
[07:32] <Amaranth> i've done it before...
[07:32] <soopurman> sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/hda1
[07:32] <Amaranth> cool
[07:32] <dstyrk> Ok, so I am hours old to Linux, can I install and run ubuntu linux from an external HD?
[07:33] <bob2> dstyrk: no
[07:33] <bob2> not unless you can make your bios boot that
[07:33] <thieflar> So should I keep scouring google and plaguing tech support forums or does anyone have any more suggestions?
[07:33] <dstyrk> Thanks.. I didn't think so.
[07:33] <bob2> "tech support forums"? ask on the ubuntu mailing list.
[07:34] <thieflar> Ok, I'll try that.
[07:34] <thieflar> Thanks.
[07:34] <soopurman> thieflar: have you tried xorgcfg ?
[07:35] <soopurman> dstyrk: what kind of external hd?  if its usb and your computer isnt too old, you should be able to get it to work...
[07:36] <soopurman> dstyrk: if not, then you still have some other linux options for it: such as using booting up with knoppix (a "live" cd) and then using your external drive for a persistent home directory
[07:37] <dstyrk> Next question.. Is there a good quick read though to be able to get up and running with Ubuntu linux?  Pretty much, I just want to be able to install and use my computer with linux quickly..  I really want or need to know every detail right now..
[07:37] <dstyrk> I have 160GB LaCiw D2
[07:37] <thieflar> soopurman: no, I haven't. Uh, I hate to ask, but can you tell me exactly how to? Just run "xorgcfg"?
[07:37] <dstyrk> *LaCie*
[07:39] <soopurman> thieflar: logout of your current desktop.  at the GDM prompt press ctrl-alt-f1 on your keyboard.  login.  type "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop"  and then "sudo xorgcfg"
[07:39] <cthulfuego> !xcf is <reply> 'sudo dpkg-reocnfigure xserver-xorg' - Make sure to READ the info you get given, so you don't come back here to ask what you should enter in a field you were told to just leave blank.
[07:39] <ubotu> okay, cthulfuego
[07:39] <cthulfuego> !xcfg is <reply> 'sudo dpkg-reocnfigure xserver-xorg' - Make sure to READ the info you get given, so you don't come back here to ask what you should enter in a field you were told to just leave blank.
[07:39] <ubotu> cthulfuego: okay
[07:39] <cthulfuego> !foget xcf
[07:39] <ubotu> cthulfuego: Wish i knew
[07:39] <cthulfuego> god, my typing is shit
[07:40] <dstyrk> I'm a little stoned myself.....
[07:40] <dstyrk> lol
[07:40] <dstyrk> cold eh' where are you at?
[07:40] <cthulfuego> Melbourne
[07:41] <dstyrk> temp?
[07:41] <glDaher> I have a problem, something or someone is editing my /etc/resolv.conf config and putting the nameserver back to my modem... which is wrong... I should put there the IP that the ISP supplied... I edit the file manually, and after a while it is changed again, this is happening for a week now.. where to start???
[07:41] <cthulfuego> glDaher: ppp rewrites the file when you reconnect.
[07:42] <cthulfuego> glDaher: Edit it, then run 'sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf'
[07:42] <dstyrk> How do you address individuals?
[07:42] <cthulfuego> dstyrk: By typing their names
[07:42] <dstyrk> isn't there a shortcut to that?
[07:43] <cthulfuego> dstyrk: By typing the first (few) letters of their names and hitting the TAB key.
[07:43] <glDaher> thx cthulfuego, but should I keep the "search lan" entry?
[07:43] <cthulfuego> glDaher: yeah
[07:43] <glDaher> or just put the dns in there
[07:43] <glDaher> ?
[07:43] <glDaher> remove then
[07:43] <glDaher> thx
[07:43] <glDaher> ;)
[07:43] <karlheg> dstyrk, use \msg nick message here
[07:44] <cthulfuego> glDaher: Note that you will need to chattr -i resolv.conf again before you can make any more changes.
[07:44] <dstyrk> \msg cthulfuego that's with ubuntu only right?
[07:44] <dstyrk> humm.. that didn't work..
[07:45] <dstyrk> Umm...
[07:45] <glDaher> cthulfuego: yep I know just looking at the man pages now... thanks a lot dude!
[07:45] <soopurman> cthulfuego: do you know how to prevent udev from clobbering new entries in /dev after a reboot?
[07:45] <djs> dstyrk: try the other slash (ie. /msg)
[07:46] <dstyrk> ah
[07:47] <cthulfuego> soopurman: no idea
[07:47] <thieflar> Ok, I ran xorgcfg, got this error message: Fatal system error. Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please specify busIDs for all framebuffer devices.
[07:47] <anto> I want the shell to ask me for confirmation before doing deleting a file, overwriting a file etc.
[07:48] <dr_willis> anto,  there are some alias's you can make for 'rm' and 'mv' and some other shell optiosn that will make them ask/verify
[07:48] <cthulfuego> anto: echo -e "alias rm=rm -i\nalias mv=mv -i" >> ~/.bash_profile
[07:48] <dr_willis> alias rm = "rm -i"
[07:49] <cthulfuego> watch that spacing
[07:49] <soopurman> i would put it in your ~/.bashrc
[07:49] <segfault> hey all. what's the bugzilla url for hoary backports?
[07:49] <anto> I will try it. mandrake had this feature
[07:49] <dr_willis> actually a lot of disrtos default to that  :P
[07:49] <eyequeue> alias cp="cp -i"
[07:49] <dr_willis> thats what they proberly did in the ystem wide bashrc/profile
[07:49] <eyequeue> alias mv="mv -i"
[07:50] <soopurman> thieflar: are you on a laptop ?
[07:50] <thieflar> soopurman: No.
[07:50] <soopurman> what kind of graphics card / GPU do you have ?
[07:50] <anto> I remember that BASH has some variable named clobber in RHL
[07:51] <cthulfuego> soopurman: Are you asking a specific user or did you want 400 answers?
[07:51] <dr_willis> theres a noclobber option - but thats for redirections I think
[07:51] <thieflar> cthulfuego: he was asking me
[07:51] <soopurman> cthulfuego: that was just for thieflar
[07:51] <dr_willis> echo "Hello" >> foo
[07:51] <bl4cktone> how do I bring up the user list in xchat I seem to have lost it
[07:51] <thieflar> soopurman: I'm not sure, and I'm not sure how to find out.
[07:51] <ninwa> bl4cktone, Hehe, it's probably just shrunk, it should be on the right side, try expanding it
[07:52] <ninwa> the place with the three dots should have handles
[07:52] <ninwa> a little <--> :)
[07:52] <bl4cktone> ninwa nope I'm pretty sure it's gone
[07:52] <ninwa> hm oh
[07:52] <robzulah> I installed Eterm via synaptic, when I open the default terminal that came with Ubuntu and type Eterm to run eterm it opens for a split second then closes and tells me: Eterm: Error: Can't open pseudo-tty -- No such file or directory. Eterm: Error: Unable to run sub-command.
[07:52] <dstyrk> ninwa:
[07:52] <robzulah> Anyone know why?
[07:52] <bl4cktone> just this chat window I don't see two scroll bars on the right side
[07:52] <ninwa> did you poke around preferences -> user list?
[07:52] <ninwa> dstyrk, Yes?
[07:53] <dstyrk> ninwa:  oops never mind
[07:53] <ninwa> :)
[07:53] <bl4cktone> gawd I feel stupid
[07:53] <bl4cktone> yeah pref
[07:53] <dstyrk> Is it easy to get the Live CD to run from an external HD?
[07:53] <ninwa> Glad to be of help :)
[07:54] <ninwa> dstyrk, The idea of the Live CD is to run it from CD!
[07:54] <ninwa> You mean, put Linux on an External HD and boot from it?
[07:54] <dstyrk> Yeah....
[07:54] <bl4cktone> what do you guys think of enlightenment?
[07:54] <ninwa> I don't know how many bios will recognize an external HD through Firewire or USB I imagine, and boot from it
[07:54] <dr_willis> bl4cktone,  its been eye candy for years. :P
[07:54] <ninwa> so the short answer is, probably pretty difficult
[07:54] <dstyrk> Either I guess... I'm just trying to get a better idea..
[07:55] <bl4cktone> dr_willis not that eyecandy is bad
[07:55] <dstyrk> I'm on an eMac..
[07:55] <dr_willis> i reall the ubuntu install saw my external usb hard drive and 'said' it could install there.. but i never tried it..
[07:55] <X7C> how much will the performance of my computer boost if i use the correspondant kernel? (386->K7)
[07:55] <dr_willis> bl4cktone,  it loses its luster real fast. :P
[07:55] <X7C> does anybody knwo?
[07:55] <ninwa> I guess that answers it then.
[07:55] <X7C> at least if it does change or works in some form better?
[07:56] <robzulah> Hmm, so does anyone know what pseudo-tty is?
[07:56] <Lafitte-> dr_willis, after all the setup   hhhehe
[07:56] <bl4cktone> dr_willis what do you recomend for for making it look soo good?
[07:57] <dr_willis> bl4cktone,  i dont reccomend it at all really :P i cant think of any real features it has that make it stand out  - other then the epplets. and eye candy. and even then - its sort of not that impressive any more.
[07:57] <mcal> Can I do a network install with ubuntu?
[07:58] <Lafitte-> mcal,  could rsync a network drive
[08:00] <Lafitte-> http://www.gooyaglehoo.com/index.php
[08:00] <mcal> Lafitte: humm... not familiar with that.  I was referring to something similar to what RH offers.  A network bootdisk that will transfer and install over the network.  I'm interested in trying ubuntu out but don't have a CD drive (...long story).
[08:00] <ghostless> whats the command for installing a .deb package?
[08:00] <bl4cktone> dr_willis I'm guessing it's like when people load up that sea theme on win9x machines and it's all blue and crappy looking with some scuba guy swimming as a pointer
[08:00] <mlambie> i just bought a 64 bit athlon machine to replace an old 1.7ghz Celeron. should i use an SMP kernel on it (is it like the Pentium IV that has Hyper Threading?)
[08:00] <robzulah> Hmm, so can anyone direct me to whre I can find out about pseudo-tty? I really would like to get Eterm running
[08:01] <eyequeue> ghostless:  sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[08:01] <ghostless> thanks
[08:01] <bl4cktone> lots of talk about eterm going around
[08:01] <robzulah> I cant get it to run
[08:01] <Lafitte-> mcal,  cant download and make cd ?
[08:01] <bl4cktone> same with a few others earlier
[08:01] <bl4cktone> think I'll give it a shot
[08:01] <robzulah> Probably just me talking about eterm, cant find any help
[08:02] <bl4cktone> was a razor-x guy talking about it
[08:02] <Razor-X> bl4cktone: i'm in eterm!!! ;)
[08:02] <Guerin> mlambie: no.
[08:02] <Razor-X> oh, hahahaha!!!
[08:02] <Razor-X> how ironic
[08:02] <Razor-X> I come in right when we start talking about eterm
[08:03] <bl4cktone> yeah robzulah might be able to ask you some questions
[08:03] <Razor-X> robzulah: hte majority of the help you'll get with eterm is the man page... or me ;)
[08:03] <Razor-X> *the
[08:03] <bl4cktone> I'm thinking about installing it now
[08:03] <mcal> Lafitte: I already have the CD.  But can only install over a network.  Wanted to know if ubuntu supported that.
[08:03] <Razor-X> bl4cktone: it's nice, takes some configuration, but it's nice
[08:04] <microhaxo> guys, i have two rar files, how can i extract them
[08:04] <mlambie> Guerin, thanks
[08:04] <microhaxo> i have installed unrar but cant find how to use it
[08:04] <bl4cktone> microhaxo http://ubuntuguide.org/#rar
[08:05] <robzulah> Razor-x: Any idea why when running eterm it closes before I can do anything and in gnome-terminal (what I am using to run eterm) it would tell me Eterm: Error: Can't open pseudo-tty -- No such file or directory. Eterm: Error: Unable to run sub-command.?
[08:06] <Razor-X> robzulah: hmmm... a friend got that same error
[08:06] <Guerin> microhaxo: man unrar
[08:06] <Razor-X> it's odd, try reinstalling
[08:06] <Razor-X> or, as I did, compile it
[08:07] <bl4cktone> compile sounds scary
[08:07] <Razor-X> I compiled it for speed, and native twin support
[08:07] <Razor-X> bl4cktone: what's so scary about it? Linux has made it a painless process
[08:07] <robzulah> me and compiling dont get along, I dont think I've ever successfully compiled a program, my copy of Ubuntu is always missing -something- it seems
[08:07] <Razor-X> robzulah: then download that
[08:07] <bl4cktone> Razor-X well the thing is I don't know what it means day 2 linux user here
[08:07] <dr_willis> apt-get install all the dev stuff :P
[08:07] <Razor-X> robzulah: for eterm, you need the x libraries (search on apt-get)
[08:08] <Razor-X> and libast and libast-dev
[08:08] <Razor-X> and I think that's it
[08:08] <Razor-X> if it complains about a lib, apt-get it
[08:08] <Guerin> bl4cktone: if you're a 2-day linux user, why do you NEED eterm?
[08:08] <dr_willis> actually - isent there an apt-get command to get all the dev packages a package needs?
[08:08] <dr_willis> heh. eterm :P
[08:08] <Guerin> build-essential
[08:08] <robzulah> alright, thank you Razor-x
[08:08] <Razor-X> oh, hmmm, there you are, I didn't know that ;)
[08:08] <bl4cktone> Guerin don't need it just would like to get used to installing programs and making my way around
[08:08] <Razor-X> apt-get build-essential eterm
[08:08] <sysrq> dr_willis: build-dep
[08:09] <Razor-X> .........
[08:09] <Razor-X> ok, I don't know this command
[08:09] <Guerin> Razor-X: you still have to use a verb
[08:09] <sysrq> Razor-X: build-essential is a meta-package, not an apt-get command
[08:09] <robzulah> Razor-x: Sorry, one last thing.  Think it might not work because I'm using a PPC?
[08:09] <bl4cktone> Guerin have gone though the ubuntuguide.org already starting to get the gist of apt-get
[08:09] <Razor-X> sysrq: ahhh, I see
[08:09] <Razor-X> robzulah: hmmmm... dunno then... :\
[08:10] <Razor-X> try it anyways, though
[08:10] <Razor-X> I love my eterm now! ^_^
[08:10] <mithro> hi! how can I improve my 3d performance on my laptop?
[08:10] <Razor-X> and the background picture too.....
[08:10] <Razor-X> and the color schema
[08:10] <bl4cktone> heh it was giving you a headeche for a while
[08:10] <Razor-X> i'm adding emacs mode binds
[08:10] <sysrq> once Eterm supports UTF-8, ill switch back to it
[08:10] <Razor-X> bl4cktone: actually I lost 4 hours of sleep
[08:10] <eyequeue> sudo apt-get install build-essential ; sudo apt-get build-dep eterm ; apt-get -b source eterm ; dpkg -i eterm*.deb
[08:11] <Lafitte-> mithro,  Web 	Results 1 - 10 of about 7,080 for ubuntu improve 3d performance. (0.41 seconds)
[08:11] <bl4cktone> How would I get started on a eterm install?
[08:11] <Razor-X> I just couldn't sleep
[08:11] <Razor-X> and had a bad dream of eterm mocking me!
[08:11] <bl4cktone> lol
[08:11] <Razor-X> bl4cktone: sudo apt-get install eterm
[08:12] <bl4cktone> Razor-X here we go!
[08:12] <mithro> Lafitte-: well, I've tried a bunch of things i found on the web
[08:12] <mithro> but it seems to have actually reduced my performance
[08:12] <bl4cktone> ok done
[08:12] <mithro> and I can't seem to get it back to the state it was in :/
[08:12] <Lafitte-> mithro,  what video card you have ?
[08:14] <bl4cktone> Razor-X so now it's in?
[08:14] <mithro> a crappy i855
[08:14] <mithro> I use to get ~600 fps in glxgears
[08:14] <mithro> now I am only getting ~300
[08:14] <Lafitte-> oic
[08:15] <Lafitte-> mithro, 7160 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1432.000 FPS
[08:16] <ThE__OnE> how do i change the color of the things around applications to default?
[08:16] <Lafitte-> you know it depends on the size of the screen right ??
[08:16] <mithro> Lafitte-: i have the screen the normal size when it starts up
[08:16] <mithro> Lafitte-: what chipset is that?
[08:16] <Mahl> What rig are you running Lafitte- ?
[08:16] <Lafitte-> mithro, 8695 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1739.000 FPS
[08:17] <microhaxo> guys, i downloaded a file off of a torrent and its windows xp cuz i need to repair windows, however it doesnt say what type of  file it is.
[08:17] <Lafitte-> i have the i915 chipset centrino
[08:17] <microhaxo> how can i check and see what file it is?
[08:17] <demar> hi there
[08:17] <mithro> Lafitte-: do you think i should be getting similar performace with my i855?
[08:17] <Lafitte-> mithro, 19611 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3922.200 FPS
[08:17] <demar> i've got a litte problem with my soundcard, can anybady help me?
[08:17] <Lafitte-> not even close
[08:18] <mithro> Lafitte-: he he, so around 600 should be right?
[08:18] <Lafitte-> mithro,  i think better then 600   though
[08:18] <mithro> Lafitte-: ahh okay
[08:18] <Lafitte-> but    what resolution is your desktop ?
[08:18] <mithro> 1024x768
[08:19] <mithro> Lafitte-: could you private message me the versions of your x.org etc?
[08:19] <Lafitte-> mithro,   SURE START THE PIVATE
[08:19] <demar> my line in just don't works. wheter i checked my configuration with alsamixer, i don't know why i don't here something
[08:19] <Lafitte-> oops  sorry for caps  watching tv hehe
[08:20] <bl4cktone> Razor-X what would I do next?
[08:20] <microhaxo> WTF
[08:20] <dataangel> How do I get syntax highlighting in python mode in emacs? Every other distribution I've ever used (about 9 :P) had it on by default.
[08:20] <djs> demar: Line In might be muted by default ...
[08:20] <microhaxo> i downloaded this windows off of bittorent and it says its a DOS executable,  its 600mb how the hell can i burn this ?
[08:20] <dataangel> doh nm there's a menu item, I assumed it'd be an ultra obscure emacs-lisp command :P
[08:21] <demar> no it isn't
[08:21] <siimo> hi im thinking of putting warty on my laptop does it support moibility radeon X300
[08:21] <demar> i just looked it up
[08:21] <djs> demar: Ah OK.
[08:21] <bl4cktone> So now that I've done sudo apt-get install eterm what's next?
[08:21] <ravuya> eterm &
[08:22] <dataangel> err
[08:22] <dataangel> Eterm & (caps is important)
[08:22] <djs> demar: was that via Applications -> Sound & Video -> Volume Control ?
[08:22] <ravuya> siimo: I would check the ATI website, you would be using their (terrible) driver
[08:22] <demar> no via alsamixer
[08:22] <dataangel> the new ati driver is a gigantic improvement, can do composite now, and has xrandr support
[08:22] <dataangel> not sure if it supports x300 yet though, check the rage3d forums (google it)
[08:22] <bl4cktone> Whoa! Eterm looks pretty swank
[08:23] <siimo> ok thanks
[08:23] <demar> that is stupid, i don't want to boot windows only for wathching tv ...
[08:24] <neighborlee> first time seeing errors like this running synaptic from menu and wondering if anyone else is ? ..ie: failed to run /usr/bin/synaptic: unable to copy users Xauthorization file.
[08:24] <dataangel> neighborlee: are you running synaptic with sudo?
[08:25] <djs> demar: Have a look in there (just in case).  You might need to change to the Alsa Mixer from the File menu.
[08:25] <Octane> I started a blog about my Ubuntu install process for anyone that's interested - http://ubuntuforums.org/journal.php?do=showjournal&j=142
[08:25] <bl4cktone> So Eterm is a eyecandy terminal
[08:26] <dataangel> bl4cktone: Yes :)
[08:26] <demar> you mena the gui for the alsamixer, right?
[08:26] <demar> nothing muted, everythink on 100% volum
[08:26] <neighborlee> dataangel, admin menu > synaptic
[08:27] <microhaxo> Guys
[08:27] <brodmann> hey
[08:27] <microhaxo> how do i burn an image.nrg
[08:27] <microhaxo> thats a nero image file
[08:27] <microhaxo> can i rename it to iso
[08:27] <dataangel> neighborlee: Did it ask you for your password?
[08:27] <djs> demar: Fair enough.  /me stumped now.
[08:27] <brodmann> how do i read the menu.lst file when it is a read only file
[08:27] <microhaxo> ?
[08:27] <sysrq> microhaxo: google would be the proper place for such a question
[08:27] <neighborlee> dataangel, yup sure did and I gave my user password
[08:27] <dataangel> brodmann: A file being read only lets you read it. You just can't write to it.
[08:27] <brodmann> actually, i want to change the file, not just read it
[08:27] <demar> ?
[08:27] <dataangel> neighborlee: Hrm not sure then.
[08:27] <neighborlee> dataangel, it runs fine from console with sudo though..weird
[08:27] <demar> ?
[08:28] <brodmann> then how do i change the grub list?
[08:28] <demar> don't know?
[08:28] <demar> i'm new on irc
[08:28] <dataangel> neighborlee: Hmm.. maybe look at the properties for the menu item and see what command it's using and if it's different from what you're typing into terminal.
[08:28] <dataangel> brodmann: If you're root (using sudo) it doesn't care if it's read only.
[08:28] <dataangel> brodmann: If you have root privileges you can do anything :)
[08:28] <neighborlee> dataangel, k
[08:29] <rlklee> How can I move my Ubuntu cd to my hard drive, and, for instance, have synaptic read from that?
[08:29] <ThE__OnE> how do i change the color of the things around applications to default?
[08:29] <arkainium> hmm.. I need to buy a flash card reader... I'm trying to figure out how well supported they are.  For example, http://tinyurl.com/7dp9u
[08:29] <dataangel> rlklee: I'm not sure because I've never had it happen, but if you look at /etc/apt/sources.list, it already has the CD-ROM as a repository for synaptic.
[08:30] <demar> what is stumped?
[08:31] <rlklee> dataangel: I don't quite understant what you mean... what I want to do is take my Ubuntu cd, throw it all on the hard drive somewhere, and then use *that* as a repository.
[08:32] <djs> demar: Australian for "unable to think of anything else"
[08:32] <ThE__OnE> anyone help?
[08:32] <rlklee> Isn't there a way I can burn it as an ISO image and then mount it?
[08:33] <dataangel> rlklee: Just toss the whole CD into a folder, and read the man page for sources.list. It explains how to add a file repository.
[08:33] <rlklee> Ah, okay. Thanks.
[08:33] <dataangel> rlklee: I think that'll work but haven't tried it myself.
[08:33] <daniel^> rlklee: i believe
[08:34] <dataangel> he just quit :P
[08:34] <daniel^> yeah
[08:34] <daniel^> pressed enter instead of backspace
[08:37] <bl4cktone> dang I'm having fun with eterm
[08:38] <bl4cktone> it's all doing the --trans --tint Blue
[08:38] <daniel^> :)
[08:39] <john__> does anyone know how i can get tomboy working i get this error when starting it (Tomboy:7340): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[08:39] <john__> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[08:40] <bl4cktone> How do you guys start your eterm up?
[08:40] <_pax> Eterm
[08:40] <bl4cktone> with changes that is
[08:40] <_pax> hanges?
[08:41] <bl4cktone> I've only got it transparent with blue tint *claps hands like school girl*
[08:41] <_pax> lol
[08:41] <ThE__OnE> how do i change the color of the things around applications to default?
[08:41] <john__> can anyone help?
[08:41] <franky> hey, could anyone help me? i'm trying to install xmms and it keeps saying i need a newer version of glib
[08:42] <franky> you mean the color of the window? isnt that a theme?
[08:42] <topyli> john__: how are you starting tomboy?
[08:43] <john__> from the menu using run
[08:44] <bl4cktone> anyone know a good site to get backgrounds for gnome? while I'm at it where do I store the pictures so it gets picked up by Desktop Background Preferences?
[08:44] <topyli> john__: try the terminal, use "tomboy --tray-icon"
[08:44] <goye2cz> is there an easy way to toggle between american english and central european czech keyboard layouts while using ubuntu?
[08:44] <_pax> topyli: check http://www.evolutioncolt.com/mainweb/?q=node/13
[08:45] <john__> thanks topyli
[08:45] <topyli> _pax: i know :)
[08:45] <_pax> bl4cktone: art.gnome.org is no good?
[08:46] <bl4cktone> _pax just never knew about it
[08:46] <topyli> john__: add that to system -> preferences -> sessions -> startup if you want it to run every session
[08:46] <john__> is there a way to start it without needing a terminal window
[08:46] <john__> ok
[08:47] <topyli> john__: for some reason it doesn't work if you try the panel applet, but this is just as well
[08:48] <john__> is there something like that for beagle too? when i try clicking on accessories/best it doesnt start and i get a error using the terminal
[08:49] <_pax> goye2cz: I'm reading about what you need here: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39413&highlight=keyboard+layouts
[08:50] <topyli> john__: are you sure your beagle installation is sane? http://beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall
[08:50] <john__> anyone know what i need to do to fix this configure: error: not found.
[08:50] <john__> Possibly configure picks up an outdated version
[08:50] <john__> installed by XFree86. Remove it from your system.
[08:50] <john__> <br />
[08:50] <john__> Check your installation and look into config.log
[08:51] <john__> topyli: im not sure i used the install from the package manager
[08:51] <ThE__OnE> how do i tell Snaptic Packager to install a certain package?
[08:51] <ThE__OnE> anyone help?
[08:51] <topyli> john__: that probably won't take care of it. look at the beaglewiki link i pasted above
[08:52] <robzulah> Anyone here ever MUD and use TinyFugue?
[08:53] <goye2cz> _pax: thanks bunches, it helped.
[08:54] <_pax> goye2cz: welcome.
[08:54] <topyli> ThE__OnE: select the package, choose "force version" from the menu
[08:54] <topyli> ThE__OnE: the "package" menu in the menubar that is
[08:55] <john__> k im checking that page
[08:57] <microhaxo> guys i need a WINDOWSXP RECOVERY BOOTDISK
[08:57] <Razor-X> back
[08:57] <microhaxo> anyone know where to get one?
[08:57] <Razor-X> so, if anyone needs Eterm help, go ahead
[08:57] <bl4cktone> hey guys I did sudo apt-get install kismet and it finished. Anything special I'm supposed to do next?
[08:57] <Razor-X> microhaxo: why? this is an Ubuntu channel, if I may ask
[08:57] <microhaxo> because
[08:57] <microhaxo> my windows got FUBARD
[08:57] <vinux> Hey guys does anyone know if ubuntu will come out with more CDs as in all the pkgs on them instead of downloading from sources?
[08:57] <microhaxo> so
[08:57] <Razor-X> microhaxo: ;)
[08:57] <microhaxo> where can i get a windowsxp recovery disk
[08:58] <microhaxo> i need to repair boot
[08:58] <microhaxo> winlogon.exe
[08:58] <microhaxo> and a dll
[08:58] <bl4cktone> I'm using my wifi internal at the moment but would like to get kismet working also
[08:58] <Razor-X> do a google search for a WinXP bootup disk, but I can't get you a recovery disk
[08:58] <Razor-X> recovery comes with your XP CD
[08:58] <microhaxo> k
[08:58] <microhaxo> yea
[08:58] <microhaxo> mine is too scratched up
[08:58] <microhaxo> so
[08:58] <microhaxo> there is no recovery?
[08:58] <topyli> microhaxo: you really need to talk to some windows users, we don't know :)
[08:58] <microhaxo> lol
[08:58] <microhaxo> aight
[08:58] <bl4cktone> UBCD?
[08:59] <bl4cktone> What are you trying to do with a recovery cd?
[08:59] <john__> lol i managed scratch my xp pro cd :( and its oem so cant get another copy
[09:00] <daniel^> good for you
[09:00] <Guerin> you're better off.
[09:00] <mlambie> can alien convert x86 RPMs into x86_64 (AMD64) packages?
[09:00] <daniel^> go linux full-time!
[09:00] <Amaranth> mlambie: No.
[09:00] <Guerin> mlambie: no, you'd need to rebuild from source
[09:00] <JHBuddy> lol Guerin --- I agree ... better off
[09:00] <bl4cktone> Just bit torrent your self a ISO of windows pro if you own it there is no prob
[09:00] <Guerin> bl4cktone: wrong.
[09:00] <bl4cktone> Guerin wrong?
[09:01] <_pax> bl4cktone: don
[09:01] <vinux> I would like to send ubuntu to a friend of mine but he has a 28k modem LOL. ummm anyone have some good Ideas about putting all ubuntu pkgs on CDs?
[09:01] <mlambie> can i run an x86 kernel on an AMD 64 then? :)
[09:01] <Guerin> bl4cktone: it's just as illegal to pirate a copy of winxp if you have an oem cd as if you'd never bought the thing.
[09:01] <Guerin> mlambie: amd64 is 100% ia32 (x86)_ compatible
[09:01] <JHBuddy> Question from a first time Ubuntu user ... does it support apt-get update?
[09:02] <Amaranth> JHBuddy: yes
[09:02] <JHBuddy> or is there something better for it?
[09:02] <hyrax42> what's the best way to get gtk emacs in ubuntu?
[09:02] <ThE__OnE> the Synaptic Package Manager quits after i press fore version, any ideas?
[09:02] <john__> bl4cktone: where can i find xp oem
[09:02] <Guerin> mlambie: but you need to choose one or the other, or run one arch in a chroot.
[09:02] <JHBuddy> Thanx Amaranth
[09:02] <hyrax42> I'd really rather use some sort of deb over compile from cvs
[09:02] <mlambie> ok
[09:02] <mlambie> how can I select the mode I'm operating in? is that entirely based on the kernel I boot?
[09:03] <bl4cktone> Guerin If he has 1 Licence Key then it doesn't matter how many copies of the CD he has he is licenced to have it on one computer with that one key no mater how it's installed it can even be installed over network if you own a licence key there is no pirating going on
[09:03] <topyli> hyrax42: it's in the universe repository (xemacs-gnome or some such)
[09:03] <hyrax42> xemacs?
[09:03] <topyli> yeah
[09:03] <ThE__OnE> anyone help?
[09:03] <hyrax42> I thought it was gnu emacs that had gtk2 support
[09:03] <djs> vinux: burn him a hoary CD
[09:03] <hyrax42> and that gnu had "pulled ahead" in this respect
[09:04] <topyli> hyrax42: oh. that could be :)
[09:04] <john__> bl4cktone: do you know where i can download it i do have a legal key
[09:04] <topyli> hyrax42: xemacs is gtk-1
[09:04] <Guerin> bl4cktone: if that were true, why can't he get another copy from whence he bought it?
[09:04] <_root_> anybody got the patch for cpio directory traversal vulnerability ?
[09:04] <Amaranth> bl4cktone: He needs to find an ISO of an OEM CD then.
[09:04] <ThE__OnE> the Synaptic Package Manager quits after i press fore version, any ideas?
[09:04] <JHBuddy> I've had issues on my notebook with Redhat (9) and PCMCIA support for my eth card & firewire card ... any such known issues with Ubuntu?
[09:04] <ThE__OnE> force
[09:04] <Amaranth> bl4cktone: But not just any OEM CD, the one from the company his computer is from.
[09:05] <Guerin> hyrax42: there is - xemacs-gtk2 used to be in debian sid, iirc, but it doesn't seem to be now.
[09:05] <john__> its just a plain oem cd
[09:05] <hyrax42> Guerin, huh... I'll have to reinvestigate
[09:05] <Guerin> john__: this is not a warez channel.
[09:05] <hyrax42> bed time now anyhow
[09:05] <john__> not dell not some special company
[09:06] <Guerin> hyrax42: if it was in debian sid, the source will be on snapshot.debian.net, and you can probably build it trivially on ubuntu.
[09:06] <Guerin> hyrax42: buit my brain might just be rotting.
[09:06] <bl4cktone> Guerin I went to a seminar on windows Microsoft only cares if you have 1 licence key per computer some licence keys can handle many computers like some pro say 1-2 computers on the key
[09:06] <ThE__OnE> hellooooooooooo
[09:06] <john__> its not warez i have a legal copy its just damaged
[09:06] <Amaranth> john__: Wrong. My Gateway OEM CD doesn't work on non-Gateway hardware.
[09:06] <hyrax42> Guerin, no worries, I'll solve it tomorrow
[09:06] <hyrax42> I'm not even in linux atm...
[09:06] <Guerin> bl4cktone: 'only cares' != 'not illegal'
[09:06] <ThE__OnE> why dont you guys help with a real problem? HUH?
[09:06] <hyrax42> thanks :)
[09:06] <ThE__OnE> the Synaptic Package Manager quits after i press fore version, any ideas?
[09:06] <Amaranth> Anyway, this is all very much off topic.
[09:06] <ThE__OnE> force*
[09:06] <Guerin> ThE__OnE: strace
[09:07] <bl4cktone> guerin and you only get 1 cd for mult licence
[09:07] <ThE__OnE> strace?
[09:07] <karlheg> hyrax42, [System, Administration, Synaptic ...] , and search for it.
[09:07] <john__> yes but there are plain oem disks that are not like gateway oems
[09:07] <Amaranth> bl4cktone: Please drop it.
[09:07] <Guerin> ThE__OnE: congratulations, you get the Reading badge!
[09:07] <ThE__OnE> thanks
[09:07] <ThE__OnE> am i the first one in here thats getting it?
[09:07] <ThE__OnE> looks that way
[09:07] <robzulah> Razor-x: Turns out my big problem (the reason I was trying to use eterm) isnt my terminal.  Have you ever used TinyFugue?
[09:08] <bl4cktone> Amaranth No prob just had to say my thing
[09:08] <hyrax42> karlheg, I'll take a look, thanks
[09:08] <ThE__OnE> the Synaptic Package Manager quits after i press force version, any ideas?
[09:08] <Guerin> ThE__OnE: strace
[09:09] <Amaranth> ThE__OnE: Unless you can provide more info the answer is to not press force version.
[09:09] <ThE__OnE> thats for finding errors
[09:09] <ThE__OnE> Iam tryint to force install Enlightment v17
[09:09] <Guerin> ThE__OnE: yes, strace is a tool which might tell you why it's breaking. But I suggest just not using synaptic.
[09:09] <ThE__OnE> beta
[09:10] <ThE__OnE> anyone know
[09:10] <Guerin> ThE__OnE: try aptitude install enlightenment=17.whatever.badger.version.it.is
[09:10] <ThE__OnE> ?
[09:10] <JHBuddy> Let me ask the question differently - any1 here done multiple successful notebook installations with PCMCIA ethernet and firewire cards
[09:10] <ThE__OnE> ok 1 sec
[09:10] <topyli> ThE__OnE: oh, e17 might still be uninstallable, broken, or break other things, whatever
[09:11] <Guerin> topyli: but that wouldn't cause synaptic to break in and of itself... unless it's developed prescience.
[09:11] <topyli> Guerin: yeah well, that's true
[09:12] <ThE__OnE> i know, i think it worked Guerin, thanks
[09:12] <owlmanatt> I've just installed Ubuntu on an old iBook (one of them clamshell things), and I want to change the 2nd and 3rd mouse buttons from F11 and F12 to shift+click and alt+click...how can I do this? I know I need to edit /etc/sysctl.conf, but I have no idea how to get the values for those keys...
[09:12] <topyli> owlmanatt: with xev
[09:14] <owlmanatt> topyli: I can't make any sense of out of the output of xev.
[09:14] <AndyR> lo all
[09:15] <topyli> owlmanatt: i don't seem to find an easy way to define the modifier key states either :)
[09:17] <vinux> hey guys I did #sudo apt-get install all?  <----  In Terminal. So that's shows all the pkg I can download right?
[09:17] <owlmanatt> topyli: Hum, I can figure out keycodes for individual keys...but not combinations of keys
[09:17] <owlmanatt> And the mouse button is just 'button one' instead of 'keycode xx'
[09:18] <topyli> owlmanatt: hrm. i think this calls for study
[09:18] <JHBuddy> vinux ... It should
[09:19] <cthulfuego> owlmanatt: The sysctl adb way doesn't allw for using mouse+key, only for key.
[09:19] <cthulfuego> owlmanatt: get yerself a cheap small usb mouse
[09:19] <vinux> JHBuddy, well I need to download all those pkgs and put them on CD for a friend. He has a 28k modem hehe
[09:19] <owlmanatt> cthulfuego: I'm incredibly broke at the moment, so I guess I'll have to make due
[09:20] <owlmanatt> cthulfuego: Thanks for telling me that it doesn't support combos though, that saved me a few days of googling :)
[09:20] <cthulfuego> owlmanatt: Just f11/F12 it is, then :-)
[09:20] <MorphDK> Hey.. I've got some problems with my sound.. I insert the modules, and alsamixer looks fine, but no sound :(
[09:21] <JHBuddy> vinux ... never tried to re-use what it installed, but theoretically the install files should sit somewhere on the disk, and you can burn them to CD
[09:23] <vinux> JHBuddy, oh well I guess I should make my self clear hehe. The pkgs I'm trying to put on CD are the downloadable ones so my friend won't have to use his slow modem to download the pkgs he wants from the interent
[09:23] <JHBuddy> vinux ... that'
[09:23] <mithro> well i'm back to 600 fps
[09:24] <JHBuddy> vinux ... that's what I gathered, I've never tried to re-use packages that apt installed on my machine, but it should put it somewhere on your disk and then you can burn it to cd
[09:24] <djs> vinux: Why not just send him a Hoary CD?
[09:24] <topyli> vinux: /var/cache/apt/archives
[09:25] <djs> *him/her
[09:25] <topyli> i think
[09:25] <JHBuddy> vinux ... apt-get install is usually used to install additional packages - do you know what packages he requires?
[09:25] <JHBuddy> he/she
[09:26] <djs> *him :) (having re-read a bit better)
[09:26] <JHBuddy> djs ... you made me doubt for a mo' as well
[09:26] <vinux> JHBuddy, nope. oh it's a he lol. Oh I just wanted to download all of them and maybe they can fit on like 8 cds or something. I don't want to install them on my system
[09:26] <djs> JHBuddy: Sorry 'bout that :)
[09:27] <JHBuddy> jds ... no prob :-)
[09:29] <vinux> JHBuddy, you think it would take like 8cds? hehe
[09:29] <JHBuddy> vinux ... u got me ... never tried it, and not sure how many cd's it will take ... what about doing a plain ubuntu install on a machine, then run apt-get update, cut those file to another CD and send him both the Ubuntu and update CDs to start with ... unless you know what else he requires ...
[09:30] <JHBuddy> Anyone ever tried to burn all the apt-get packages to CD ... I'm interested in knowing how many cd's it will need
[09:30] <odie5533> What is a good console-based web browser?
[09:30] <vinux> JHBuddy, hmmm maybe I"ll just ask him what he needs then put those pkgs on CD for him
[09:30] <snader> odie5533: try w3m
[09:31] <owlmanatt> Any way to remove openoffice without removing ubuntu-desktop? Ubuntu-desktop sounds kinda important...
[09:31] <odie5533> is lynx any good?
[09:31] <Guerin> it's a decent console browser
[09:31] <snader> yeah, it's decent
[09:31] <vinux> owlmanatt, lol hmmm yes it sounds really important
[09:31] <snader> w3m e.g. handles frames better
[09:32] <Guerin> odie5533: try w3m and links and links2 also
[09:32] <zalim> hello, good day everyone
[09:32] <Guerin> yeah, w3m and links2 both do images, also
[09:32] <owlmanatt> vinux: Can I remove openoffice without removing that?
[09:32] <Guerin> badly, but they do them
[09:32] <odie5533> What is the oldest browser?
[09:32] <snader> :)
[09:32] <snader> hm, lynx i think
[09:32] <snader> not sure though
[09:32] <JHBuddy> vinux ... it's your call if you wanna do all the extra downloads ... but I think your last idea might save you time and effort
[09:32] <vinux> owlmanatt, are you doing apt-get remove openoffice?
[09:33] <zalim> whom should i ask for help on setup file sharing with selected users
[09:33] <owlmanatt> vinux: I'm removing the openoffice packages from synaptic
[09:33] <owlmanatt> The ones that are actually OO also want to remove ubuntu-desktop
[09:33] <vinux> owlmanatt, ooo don't do that then. I would try to find another way of doing it
[09:34] <odie5533> Guerin: What is the oldest linux browser?
[09:34] <owlmanatt> vinux: ...hence me asking in #ubuntu...
[09:34] <Guerin> odie5533: telnet
[09:34] <odie5533> ooooh
[09:34] <JHBuddy> till later all ... have a gr8 time ... and thanx for all the useful inputs
[09:34] <odie5533> after that?
[09:34] <Guerin> odie5533: no idea.
[09:35] <vinux> owlmanatt, hmmm let me see
[09:36] <owlmanatt> vinux: Ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage, and it's safe to remove.
[09:36] <owlmanatt> Problem solved.
[09:36] <albacker> anyone knows where to download acroread 7 ? so there wont be an error with the package? any backports . . .?
[09:37] <vinux> owlmanatt, oh ok thanks for the info
[09:37] <Guerin> albacker: adobe.com
[09:37] <Guerin> albacker: (just an idea)
[09:38] <ThE__OnE> can someone help me? http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=220353&postcount=112
[09:40] <stjepan> hi
[09:41] <r0b> whats the diffrence between the diffrent ubuntu releases?
[09:41] <stjepan> do you know any good terminals?
[09:42] <albacker> gnome-terminal, xterm, aterm, Eterm, rxvt
[09:42] <Myrtti> r0b: date and freshness
[09:42] <albacker> gnome-terminal is good because you can use tabs with it.
[09:43] <r0b> the freshest being the hedgehog?
[09:43] <Myrtti> r0b: of stable releases, yes
[09:44] <r0b> thanks, been meaning to try ubuntu for a while hope its everything everyone has been saying it is :)
[09:45] <bob2> ThE__OnE: those packages aren't for ubuntu
[09:45] <bob2> ThE__OnE: I don't know why people on the forums keep claiming they are
[09:46] <ThE__OnE> well they are on the official ubuntu forum right?
[09:46] <ThE__OnE> cant you like stop posts like that
[09:47] <bob2> it's not an official forum
[09:47] <bob2> it's just run by some dude
[09:47] <ThE__OnE> its not?
[09:47] <ThE__OnE> oh
[09:47] <ThE__OnE> so is it possible to undo what i jsut did?
[09:48] <emuzesto> I know whats going to be the standard startupsound for breezy. Badger-Badger-Badger-Badger..etc.
[09:48] <ThE__OnE> and the beta version of Enlightment is not available though ubuntu?
[09:48] <bob2> ThE__OnE: remove thath line from your sources.list
[09:48] <ThE__OnE> ok
[09:48] <bob2> e17 isn't even beta
[09:48] <bl4cktone> Mushroom mushroom!
[09:48] <ThE__OnE> its not?
[09:49] <ralph> I've just used hwdb-gui to submit a profile.  md5sum is 9582879ff7f8570a87554c8c23f8e295.  How do I get to see the full detail since I wrote some decent comments  :-)  http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/?xml=9582879ff7f8570a87554c8c23f8e295 gives just enough info to know it's mine.
[09:50] <ThE__OnE> bob2, where are the themes located at? because hen i go to install theme it dont work
[09:50] <ThE__OnE> it asks me for location
[09:50] <bob2> ThE__OnE: I have no idea
[09:50] <ThE__OnE> hrm ok
[09:53] <ralph> Anyone here know about hwdb?
[09:54] <bob2> ogra is the person to ask
[09:55] <ralph> He's on this channel.  Is it courteous to `offer chat' to ask or should I find the appropriate mailing list?
[09:55] <bob2> ogra: oi
[09:57] <catfox> hi all. i've installed python from sources into /usr/local, and /usr/local/bin has a python executable which is being used as the default python when i execute "python" from a shell
[09:57] <catfox> how can i make /usr/bin/python be the default ahead of /usr/local/bin/python ?
[09:59] <ralph> catfox: your PATH prefers /usr/local/bin to /usr/bin by design.  Try `echo $PATH'.  Why put python into /usr/local if you don't want to use it?  You could always `chmod -x /usr/local/bin/python'.
[10:00] <radix> have there been any horrible problems with amd64 kernels recently? currently my machine is hanging at "Starting Ubuntu..."
[10:01] <catfox> ralph, i've got zope and some products which require 2.3, but couldn't get it to work with ubuntu packages
[10:02] <Sabin> how easy is it to get KDE running on ubuntu?
[10:02] <ralph> catfox: python scripts like /usr/bin/hwdb-send have a #! line that specifies /usr/bin/python so they're OK.  As for you typing `python' at the command line you have to type `/usr/bin/python' to specify a non-PATH one.
[10:03] <bob2> Sabin: very, install the kubuntu-desktop package
[10:03] <catfox> bob2, the version of psycopg that i need depends on 2.3
[10:03] <bob2> ouch
[10:03] <catfox> yep
[10:04] <Sabin> Is it just in one of the repositories?
[10:04] <bob2> Sabin: it's in main, yes
[10:04] <Sabin> thank you
[10:04] <radix> and recovery kernel is hanging at "EXT3-fs: sda1: orphan cleanup on readonly fs" :(
[10:04] <Sabin> It may be my project tonight to get up a running linux box
[10:04] <cazabam> morning all
[10:05] <Sabin> morning
[10:05] <bob2> radix: that sounds way more like a screwed disk than any sort of amd64 problem
[10:05] <thieflar> to install gcc do i really have to compile it from source after i get it in tarball format from the ftp server? is there an easier way?
[10:05] <radix> anyone ever used an ubuntu CD to boot recovery mode on a SATA drive? (/dev/sda1 is my root)
[10:05] <radix> bob2: disk or filesystem?
[10:05] <cazabam> I'm having a spot of bother with my Thinkpad (T21)
[10:05] <bob2> radix: well, filesystem, bud I'd guess it's from a bad disk
[10:05] <cazabam> It has decided that it doesn't want to switch itself off when I shut down!
[10:05] <bob2> thieflar: of course not, install the build-essential package
[10:06] <cazabam> anyone else had similar issues?
[10:06] <radix> that would be disappointing, since this is a brand new machine :(
[10:06] <thieflar> bob2: from where?
[10:06] <bob2> thieflar: from the ubuntu repositories...
[10:06] <radix> oh well
[10:06] <Sabin> is there a website that would instruct me on how to install the nvidia drivers on ubuntu? or are they already installed?
[10:06] <vinux> Hmmm I was looking on the web and I saw debian CDs like 14 of them in a set. And i'm thinking to  myself have these guys heard of DVDs??? It costs like 70 bucks for a dual layer DVD drive 16x. I think it holds up to 8gig but not sure.
[10:06] <concept10> Does anyone use Enigmail with Mozilla Thunderbird?
[10:07] <bob2> radix: well, you could try reinstalling and see if it happens again
[10:07] <cazabam> sabin: they're in the repositories and should already be installed
[10:07] <bob2> vinux: er...there are dvd images, too.
[10:07] <Sabin> thank you
[10:07] <thieflar> bob2: wow, thanks
[10:07] <bob2> Sabin: wiki.ubungu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:07] <bob2> thieflar: just enable the ubuntu mirrors in synaptic
[10:07] <Sabin> I just remember the awful process of getting them to work about 2 years ago
[10:07] <vinux> bob2, oh ok I didn't see them on the web site
[10:08] <bob2> cazabam: the ac module probably isn't loaded.  or it requires apm.  how old is it?
[10:08] <cazabam> bob2: relatively new - it has worked with ACPI up until 2 days ago...
[10:08] <cazabam> bob2: what's the ac module?
[10:08] <catfox> hmm. on hoary with the marillat repo added, if i try to add gstreamer0.8-lame, i get dependancy errors about libc. how can i get that package?
[10:08] <bob2> cazabam: what did you change since the last time it worked?
[10:09] <bob2> catfox: hoary isn't compatible with marillat's unstable repository
[10:09] <cazabam> added speedstep-smi to enable cpu-scaling
[10:09] <concept10> Anyone use encrypted email?
[10:09] <cazabam> bob2: but that's about it
[10:09] <bob2> and problebly not with the testing one, either
[10:09] <catfox> bob2, ahh i see. thanks
[10:09] <bob2> concept10: sure, with mutt
[10:09] <bob2> cazabam: did that involve you rebuilding your kernel?
[10:09] <concept10> bob2, what does mutt use? gpg
[10:09] <concept10> ?
[10:09] <bob2> concept10: everything uses gpg
[10:09] <cazabam> bob2: nope - just 'modprobe speedstep-smi'
[10:10] <bob2> cazabam: does "lsmod | grep ac" print anything?
[10:10] <cazabam> bob2: don't have the machine with me atm - I'll will check for that later
[10:10] <cazabam> bob2: what does ac do?
[10:10] <concept10> bob2, if I send a encrypted email the recipient has to have my key, correct?
[10:10] <Jesse1> i have more problems when i put a music cd in the drive cd player pops up then when i push play it flashes to the pause symbol then back to the play one
[10:11] <bob2> concept10: your public key, yes, but any useful mua will download it off the keyserves automatically
[10:11] <bob2> cazabam: enable acpi ac adapter support
[10:11] <bob2> concept10: (enigmail uses gpg, too)
[10:11] <crazyhorse_> bob2, erm, when he sends encrypted email, he has to have the repicient's public key
[10:11] <cazabam> bob2: aaaah that could be it... cheers!
[10:11] <bob2> crazyhorse_: sure
[10:12] <concept10> bob2, could you help me set that up please
[10:12] <bob2> crazyhorse_: oh, you'r right, I meant signed + encrypted, plain encryption doesn't require the other person to have the key
[10:12] <crazyhorse_> if the repicient has his key does only matter if he want's to sign
[10:12] <bob2> concept10: I don't use thunderbird, sorry
[10:13] <Sabin> bob2: thank you that website looks like it will answer any questions I have
[10:15] <concept10> bob2, how do I create a key?
[10:15] <Jesse1> concept10, with metal
[10:15] <bob2> concept10: gpg --gen-key
[10:15] <Jesse1> lol
[10:16] <concept10> bob2, thanks
[10:16] <bob2> concept10: http://webber.dewinter.com/gnupg_howto/english/GPGMiniHowto.html
[10:17] <concept10> thanks again
[10:17] <unreal> hrm
[10:17] <finlaylabs> anyone know why I get kernel panic and boot failure after installing U~ on one laptop, and transferring the drive to another?
[10:17] <Sabin> does anyone here have any experience running cedega under ubuntu?
[10:18] <ThE__OnE> how do i save a file opened with terminal?
[10:18] <unreal> would the ubuntu install disc install grub to the MBR on the first disk?
[10:18] <bob2> ThE__OnE: how did you open it?
[10:18] <bob2> unreal: by default, yes
[10:18] <bob2> finlaylabs: because the boot device number changed
[10:18] <bob2> Sabin: #cedega would probably know more
[10:18] <ThE__OnE> nano
[10:19] <unreal> bob2: is there any way of making it write to the MBR on the second disk?
[10:19] <TiMiDo> bob2, is it true that the ubuntu cds are free shipping and free to give out?
[10:19] <ThE__OnE> its the source.list
[10:19] <Choubaka> TiMiDo: yes.
[10:19] <bob2> TiMiDo: of course!
[10:19] <finlaylabs> bob2: is there a fix? I can edit boot params.
[10:19] <ThE__OnE> i want to take the link off
[10:19] <unreal> timido: seems so, heh
[10:19] <TiMiDo> how long does it take to ship??
[10:19] <Choubaka> TiMiDo: I got mine just recently
[10:19] <bob2> ThE__OnE: doesn't it explain how to save at the bottom?
[10:19] <ThE__OnE> nope
[10:19] <unreal> timido: says on there about 4-7weeks I think
[10:19] <Thomas2> this might belong to -kubuntu, but that channel seems to be dead... what is the correct way to setup a printer using kubuntu with no gnome installed?
[10:19] <bob2> it's ctrl-w, iirx
[10:19] <TiMiDo> oh Nice
[10:19] <ThE__OnE> i thought it was ctrl o
[10:19] <bob2> ThE__OnE: I haven't used nano in years
[10:20] <unreal> heh
[10:20] <bob2> finlaylabs: yeah, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to point at the right root device
[10:20] <Choubaka> The Ubuntu CDs look cool.
[10:20] <TiMiDo> nano da best
[10:20] <Choubaka> and the cover too.
[10:20] <ThE__OnE> how else should i edit it bob2
[10:20] <TiMiDo> gnu-kbsd look alsome
[10:20] <bob2> ThE__OnE: just use nano
[10:20] <TiMiDo> nano ee,
[10:20] <bob2> unreal: you may have to run it yourself from vt2 during the install
[10:20] <ThE__OnE> oops
[10:21] <ThE__OnE> i used emac
[10:21] <unreal> vt2?
[10:21] <bob2> unreal: that will make ubuntu unbootable, tho
[10:21] <bob2> unreal: alt-f2 during the install
[10:21] <unreal> ah
[10:22] <unreal> well I was contemplating installing ubuntu on my dads box, and he wouldn't be too pleased if I borked his windows installation :P
[10:22] <finlaylabs> bob2: currently I have root=/dev/hda1, which is right as far as I know. I only have 1 hhd installed.
[10:22] <Jesse1> i have more problems when i put a music cd in the drive cd player pops up then when i push play it flashes to the pause symbol then back to the play one
[10:22] <ThE__OnE> bob2, rememebr the link i showed you, how can i remove the files i installed? since they are of no use and might cause error or breakdow of Ubuntu when i reboot
[10:22] <bob2> unreal: it won't break it, it will just put the grub menu before windows boots
[10:22] <bob2> ThE__OnE: what files?  the E packages?
[10:22] <ThE__OnE> yes
[10:23] <bob2> finlaylabs: I don't know then.  I'm pretty sure booting a cd and rerunning grub-install on the disk would fix it, though.
[10:23] <bob2> ThE__OnE: entrance is the only one that might cause a problem
[10:24] <ThE__OnE> so how can i remove it?
[10:24] <AnAmiC> hi all, I'm kind of new to the whole linux thing, and am now making my first steps ^^  and now that my ubuntu is up and running, I'm stuck at the point where I want to install own software like the opera webbrowser or some codecs for mpeg and mp3 :P
[10:24] <bob2> ThE__OnE: in synaptic
[10:25] <ThE__OnE> jsut uncheck it?
[10:25] <bob2> AnAmiC: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:25] <bob2> ThE__OnE: I guess so
[10:25] <AnAmiC> bob2: thx :)
[10:25] <Jesse1> AnAmiC, ubuntuguide.org/ read there
[10:25] <AnAmiC> alright ^
[10:25] <AnAmiC> ^^
[10:26] <thieflar> how can i install the kernel header files?
[10:26] <bob2> be very wary of the ubuntuguide
[10:26] <ThE__OnE> yes
[10:26] <bob2> thieflar: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[10:26] <ThE__OnE> its called the UNOFFICIAL guide for a reason
[10:26] <rbrenart> In order to have tpb working I need to run two commands at every reboot 1) 'sudo mknod /dev/nvram c 10 144' 2) 'sudo tpb &' I'm not sure if automating #1 would make #2 irrelevant as #2 currently fails if ran before #1, but either way, could someone help me figure out how to automate this so tpb just works after reboot?
[10:26] <AnAmiC> ok, I will look through both of your urls :)
[10:27] <thieflar> bob2: whoa! thanks man
[10:27] <ThE__OnE> bob2, nothing of enlightement is installed
[10:28] <bob2> cool
[10:28] <ThE__OnE> it is not showing a chec besides it
[10:28] <ThE__OnE> check*
[10:30] <ThE__OnE> i have firefox 1.0.2, should i upgrade it bob2?
[10:30] <ThE__OnE> some people ehre said not to
[10:31] <ThE__OnE> but since your an op
[10:31] <bob2> I haven't
[10:31] <bob2> yo ajmitch
[10:31] <rbrenart> let me try the short version of the question.... right now I run 'sudo mknod /dev/nvram c 10 144' on every reboot, how would I go about automating this so I no longer need to?
[10:32] <bob2> you shouldn't have to
[10:32] <bob2> unless you're using a custom kernel
[10:32] <bob2> udev should make it for you
[10:32] <rbrenart> not a custom kernel, udev doesn't make it
[10:33] <ekCo> hey
[10:33] <ekCo> i cant install teamspeak or get any voice program working..
[10:33] <rbrenart> should I be modifying udev.conf or udev.rules maybe?
[10:34] <lpk> Ubuntu seems to be great!
[10:34] <unreal> hmm
[10:35] <lpk> i shut down my computer yesterday, well now when i booted it and got into my desktop, several apps started crying segmentation fault
[10:35] <lpk> I booted and it complained that it cant launch xorg
[10:35] <unreal> is there an ftpd grabbable by apt-get?
[10:35] <crazyhorse_> unreal,  apt-cache search ftpd
[10:35] <Sabin> I'm just about to load hoary to my second hd but will grub auto rewrite my mbr?
[10:35] <bob2> lpk: you're using hoary, right?
[10:36] <unreal> crazyhorse_: ty :)
[10:36] <bob2> Sabin: by default, yes; otherwise it would be unbootable
[10:36] <rbrenart> nevermind, found a quick note about it here http://resolute.ucsd.edu/diwaker/articles/howtos/howto-t42-ubuntu.html thanks tho
[10:36] <rbrenart> gave me what I needed to google it
[10:36] <lpk> bob2: Yea
[10:36] <Sabin> I want to dual boot with xp but didn't find any howtos for that on the wiki
[10:36] <lpk> :S
[10:36] <bob2> Sabin: you don't need to do anything, ubuntu will add that to the grub menu
[10:37] <ekCo> hey, i can hear sound, hear my voice in mic.. but i cant record, or get teamspeak working, anyone have the same prob or know a way to solve it?
[10:37] <lpk> It's just super weird when a linux install breaks w/o doing anything
[10:37] <Sabin> ok thank you
[10:37] <Sabin> bob2: thank you for helping out this newb
[10:37] <bob2> np
[10:38] <rbrenart> Does Ubuntu have the ability to resize NTFS partitions?
[10:38] <bob2> yes
[10:38] <rbrenart> clever, mine was already partitioned so I didn't have to bother, but that's good to know
[10:38] <crazyhorse_> ekCo, open your mixer and make sure that you chose the right "capture" device.
[10:39] <ekCo> is there anyway of transporting all of my stuff and ubuntu os to a new hdd making it my primary hdd and old hdd secondary?
[10:39] <rbrenart> goodnight all
[10:39] <karlheg> ekCo, Yes.  Install second drive as secondary drive.
[10:40] <karlheg> ekCo, use 'cfdisk' to partition it, then 'mkfs' to make file systems there.
[10:40] <ekCo> ok
[10:40] <karlheg> ekCo, mount the new / on /mnt, mkdir in there for other mount points, mount them all up.
[10:40] <karlheg> Copy the old drive to the new.
[10:40] <ekCo> ok cool, thanks :D
[10:41] <ekCo> will look deeper into it :P
[10:41] <topyli> ekCo: except /proc, /tmp and such :)
[10:41] <karlheg> Old, file system to the new, I should say.  You may need to have it skip some files / directories; like /proc.
[10:41] <karlheg> 'tar' is faster than 'cp'.
[10:41] <ekCo> mk
[10:41] <ekCo> i'll look into it :D
[10:42] <karlheg> http://www.laclinux.com/~karlheg/system-cloning-scripts/make-system-tar
[10:42] <ThE__OnE> how do i change the color of the windows?
[10:42] <karlheg> Adjust the list in there to suit; pipe the output to a tar, like:
[10:43] <karlheg> cd / && make-system-tar | (cd /mnt && tar xf -)
[10:43] <karlheg> Make sure it does not try to recurse into /mnt itself.
[10:44] <ekCo> crazyhorse_, it still doesnt work
[10:44] <ekCo> all programs say capture device not found but it is set
[10:44] <karlheg> Well, it might not.  You have to check the excludes expressions list and make certain it's right for your task.
[10:44] <topyli> bob2: it seems to
[10:45] <karlheg> There are some things excluded there that should not be for your purpose.
[10:45] <ThE__OnE> how do i change the color of the windows? And is there a virus scanner?
[10:45] <ekCo> bbl
[10:45] <karlheg> ... and the sort statement is not necessary.  Take it out and speed up the script.
[10:46] <bob2> ThE__OnE: you don't need a virus scanner, just don't run stuff from people you don't trust
[10:46] <vinux> Good nite all! See you tomorrow :)
[10:46] <karlheg> ThE__OnE, Use the gnome panel menu "System" --> "Preferences", and just try them all.  You'll find it.
[10:46] <topyli> ThE__OnE: what windows? what is a virus? :)
[10:46] <karlheg> What was DOS?
[10:47] <ThE__OnE> i downloaded something from a p2p, how can i scan that?
[10:48] <ThE__OnE> or do i need to scan that?
[10:48] <topyli> karlheg: dos used to power my MS Works 1.0 workstation :)
[10:48] <shanon> ThE__OnE: Did you download an executable binary or script ?
[10:48] <ThE__OnE> no
[10:48] <ThE__OnE> like tar
[10:49] <shanon> ThE__OnE: The tar should be fine. What is in it ?
[10:49] <ThE__OnE> guides
[10:49] <ThE__OnE> to linux
[10:49] <shanon> ThE__OnE: That should be fine
[10:49] <topyli> liar :)
[10:49] <karlheg> ThE__OnE, You should not run binaries you have not compiled yourself and for which you have not read or might not trust the source code, UNLESS you get it from Ubuntu.
[10:50] <shanon> ThE__OnE: In general you do not have to worry to much about scanning things on linux. Unless you download an executable binary from somewhere strange
[10:50] <karlheg> ThE__OnE, any program or script you run only has the system permissions you have, unless it is marked setuid root.
[10:50] <ThE__OnE> norm_, it is guides to linux, what else can i downlaod from p2p for linux topyli?
[10:51] <ThE__OnE> iam not root
[10:51] <ThE__OnE> atleast i never set myself as one because people in here not to do so
[10:51] <topyli> ThE__OnE: oh, the other stuff is not linux-specific
[10:51] <karlheg> ThE__OnE, if it's a PDF or HTML document, you can safely view it.  It's executable programs you should not trust unless you are certain of the source.
[10:52] <karlheg> The 'file' command can help you identify what kind of file it is.  Most often the file manager knows too, and will display an icon indicating the file type.
[10:52] <ThE__OnE> thx
[10:53] <karlheg> ThE__OnE, That's the right way to do it.  Never run as root unless you are doing admin work, and never leave a root console open when you are not using it.
[10:53] <ekCo> hey
[10:53] <ekCo> i keep getting this error in teamspeak, Qt: Locales not supported on X server
[10:53] <ekCo> then nothing shows up.
[10:53] <ThE__OnE> hehe
[10:53] <ThE__OnE> thx
[10:53] <r2d4> Hi! Just installed Ubuntu to my hard disk. The sound is not working. Funny thing is it worked from the Live CD. I mucked around a bit haplessly. I don't know much of how the sound internals work. I did read the unofficial FAQ and did what it said. Didn't help. The sound is playing (can see the oscillations in media players) but won't sound out. Volume is fine. Sound works from Windows partition.
[10:53] <topyli> ThE__OnE: the one situation when you want to run a virus scanner is if you run a mail server for windows clients
[10:54] <ThE__OnE> onope
[10:54] <Choubaka> r2d4: check the mixer settings.
[10:54] <ThE__OnE> nothing like that
[10:54] <Choubaka> r2d4: it may be muted
[10:54] <topyli> ThE__OnE: even, then i'd count the clients and think if it's easier to let the clients worry about viruses :)
[10:54] <karlheg> r2d4, try 'sudo alsamixer' in a terminal and jiggle all the knobs.
[10:54] <r2d4> Choubaka: Not muted. Checked that.
[10:54] <rbrenart> I wanted to add some mount points (or just any directory really)  to my places menu (not /media/ mounts)  is there an easy way to do this?
[10:54] <ekCo> i keep getting this error in teamspeak, Qt: Locales not supported on X server, nothing shows up...
[10:55] <karlheg> Also try the "System | Preferences | Multimedia ..." and "Sound" settings.
[10:55] <Choubaka> karlheg: alsamixer runs as a normal user too.
[10:55] <karlheg> ahuman01, yes, ok.  No need for sudo.
[10:55] <karlheg> ... as long as you are in the 'audio' group.
[10:55] <r2d4> OK! Thanks. Should have asked this from Linux. Let me login from it. Thanks.
[10:56] <cantrel29> hello, can somebody help me with a monitor problem.  my computer was attached to a crt, now it's attached to a flat pannel.  the refresh rate of my crt is not supported.  how do I start x config from the command line?
[10:56] <ThE__OnE> does ubuntu in anyway take away any of the bandwidth?
[10:56] <HrdwrBoB> no
[10:56] <ThE__OnE> ok
[10:56] <ThE__OnE> it mught be my system thats running slow then
[10:56] <karlheg> aptitude install gkrellm
[10:56] <ThE__OnE> must*
[10:57] <bob2> cantrel29: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:58] <ekCo> can anyone help?
[10:58] <ThE__OnE> not until you ask
[10:58] <ThE__OnE> hehe
[10:58] <karlheg> ekCo, I think that a locales package is missing.
[10:58] <ekCo> which?
[10:59] <karlheg> ekCo, Run 'synaptic' and find the program with the problem.  Look at it's depends and recommends, etc, and see if you can find a recommended or suggested package within the transitive closure of the union of depends, recommends, and suggests for the package that installs locales.
[10:59] <cantrel29> thanks bob2. i am running through to config now
[11:01] <karlheg> ekCo, I'm not certain if my answer is correct.  I never use Qt applications, and have not seen that before.
[11:01] <ekCo> hmm ok
[11:01] <poningru> I had a question about .deb files
[11:02] <karlheg> Locales probably means language translation files...  but it could be something else.  You should ask on #kubuntu.
[11:02] <poningru> why not make them 'install' when double clicked
[11:02] <poningru> with prompts in between ofcourse
[11:02] <karlheg> ... since it's a Qt application; Qt is the user interface widget toolkit used by KDE programs.
[11:02] <ekCo> ok.. wheres the depends and recommends tab?
[11:02] <ekCo> hmm ok
[11:03] <karlheg> poningru, because a .deb may have dependencies that would not easily be handled that way by a file manager.
[11:03] <tiglionabbit> ekCo: right-click, hit properties
[11:04] <poningru> leeds into my other question why arent they packaged with the required libraries?
[11:04] <poningru> win software pulls this off
[11:04] <poningru> pretty nicely if I may add
[11:04] <karlheg> ekCo, I do not see 'teamspeak' in the synaptic package manager at all.  What is it?
[11:04] <r2d4> Hi! I am back. Did sudo alsamixer. Some very at 0. Put all to 100%. Still no sound.
[11:05] <HiddenWolf> karlheg, it's software to allow you to communicate with your clan during gaming
[11:05] <ekCo> :\
[11:05] <karlheg> poningru, http://web.pdx.edu/~hegbloom/Aptitude/tutorial-intro-aptitude.html
[11:05] <karlheg> Ah. Perhaps it's missing a kdelibs locale package?
[11:06] <karlheg> Try searching for 'locale' and see if something jumps out at you wrt 'kde' or 'qt'.
[11:06] <karlheg> poningru, That's why.  :-)
[11:06] <ekCo> yeah heaps of others re having the prob
[11:07] <poningru> ok so you have too many libs sometimes
[11:07] <rbrenart> Anyone know how to modify the "Places" menu? Smeg doesn't seem to allow me to change it.
[11:08] <karlheg> r2d4, Ok.  We determined that you don't need 'sudo' for that... as long as you are in the 'audio' group.  What does 'id | grep audio' print?  Anything, or nothing?
[11:08] <tiglionabbit> rbrenart: in any "open" dialog, you can pin things to it
[11:08] <HiddenWolf> karlheg, teamspeak is not in the archive. it's semi-commercial
[11:08] <karlheg> What are your sound and multimedia settings from the panel menu System --> Preferences ?
[11:08] <r2d4> id | grep audio       prints nothing
[11:09] <rbrenart> tiglionabbit: I'm sorry, I don't follow
[11:09] <karlheg> That's what is the matter.  'sudo adduser r2d4 audio', or use the "Users and Groups" tool from the System --> Administration menu.
[11:09] <ThE__OnE> how can i change the color of the windows?
[11:09] <ThE__OnE> i checked out windows and theme in preferences
[11:09] <ThE__OnE> but they dunt help me
[11:09] <poningru> karlheg: can you explain what dependencies cannot be handled by apt or something similar?
[11:10] <ekCo> karlheg, does nvclock work for you with latest ubuntu-nvidia drivers?
[11:10] <karlheg> When you create a new desktop user, make sure to use the "Desktop" profile so they have access to audio, CD, etc.
[11:10] <r2d4> It says I am already a member of audio.
[11:10] <karlheg> ThE__OnE, What windows are you referring to?
[11:10] <r2d4> karlheg: It says I am already a member of audio
[11:11] <karlheg> poningru, apt is what handles depends.  'dpkg' alone does not.  'apt' takes a package name, not a .deb file.  'dpkg' takes a .deb file; apt runs it for you.
[11:11] <ThE__OnE> you know the color aroung applications and places and systems, how can i change that?
[11:11] <karlheg> A double click on a .deb would mean to run 'dpkg'.
[11:11] <topyli> ThE__OnE: do you mean the backround, which is normally white?
[11:11] <ekCo> karlheg, ?
[11:11] <r2d4> karlheg: I think I know why
[11:12] <r2d4> karlheg: I typed the id command in the root console.
[11:12] <karlheg> ekCo, I don't have nvidia.
[11:12] <karlheg> r2d4, That's why.
[11:12] <ThE__OnE> yes
[11:12] <karlheg> Ok, what are your 'sound' settings?
[11:12] <r2d4> karlheg: The output from my user terminal is ..
[11:12] <ekCo> ah ok then
[11:12] <karlheg> ... from the System --> Preferences menu?
[11:12] <ThE__OnE> i let my cousins sue it and they somehow managed to change it to pink or lite brown, <<--color blind
[11:12] <r2d4> karlheg: uid=1000(rt) gid=1000(rt) groups=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),107(lpadmin),108(scanner),109(admin),1000(rt)
[11:12] <poningru> karlheg: thats what I am saying in a gui frontend such as gnome why not make .deb files be associated with something like apt and allow that to handle the install
[11:12] <r2d4> rt@main:~$
[11:13] <ekCo> anyone running 7174 nvidia drivers and having segmentation faults with nvclock?!
[11:13] <topyli> ThE__OnE: find a theme that uses different colors
[11:13] <ThE__OnE> use*
[11:13] <karlheg> r2d4, Looks fine.
[11:13] <karlheg> What program won't play?  Is it configured to use the 'ESD' output, and is the audio daemon running?
[11:14] <r2d4> karlheg: No program plays. I am currently running XMMS
[11:14] <teroedni> how to get apt-get to list packages?
[11:14] <karlheg> The configuration menus have settings for the audio daemon, and there's a multimedia settings for libgstreamer based applications.  XMMS has it's own configuration.
[11:14] <teroedni> cant find anything in apt-get -h
[11:14] <karlheg> apt-cache search REGEXP
[11:15] <karlheg> r2d4, Click the 'o' on XMMS, and select "Preferences".  Select the correct "Output Plugin" from there.
[11:16] <karlheg> If it's set to ALSA and the sound daemon is running, it might not work, and if it's set to ESD and the sound daemon is NOT running it might not work.
[11:16] <teroedni> wow thanks karlheg
[11:16] <karlheg> "esound output" for the sound daemon you find in the prefrences "sound".
[11:16] <r2d4> karlheg: it is on alsa. let me check if I can find this audio daemon.
[11:16] <karlheg> Does it work now?
[11:17] <karlheg> Ok.
[11:17] <zoka> i have winxp on hda1, ntfs partition on hda2, root ext3 on hda5 and swap on hda6, and lilo in the mbr, when i boot linux it all works fine but when i boot windows lilo hides hda2 and i cant access the other ntfs partition
 how do i make windows see the other ntfs
[11:18] <MorphDK> Hey.. I've got some problems with ALSA.. Please help :(
[11:18] <karlheg> Hmmm... well, mine only works when I set XMMS to 'alsa', whether or not the sound daemon is running.
[11:18] <poningru> zoka lilo does not hide the hda2
[11:18] <poningru> it is probably xp not recognizing something
[11:18] <poningru> what kind of partition is xp on?
[11:19] <poningru> ntfs or fat32?
[11:19] <karlheg> What if you right-click on the little speaker in the top panel, and select 'Open Volume Control' ?
[11:19] <zoka> xp is on hda1 ntfs
[11:19] <poningru> hmm
[11:19] <karlheg> poningru, NTFS.
[11:19] <zoka> lilo did hide hda2
[11:19] <MorphDK> karlheg, i tried that.. nothing is muted
[11:19] <zoka> i have no idea why
[11:19] <poningru> well lilo wont show a partition if it doesnt have an os in it
[11:19] <poningru> at boot up
[11:19] <poningru> iirc
[11:20] <poningru> gotta go sleep its too late
[11:20] <karlheg> What is shown by the command:  lsmod | grep '^snd'
[11:20] <zoka> why does it hide hda2 when i boot hda1
[11:20] <karlheg> Is there a driver for your sound card listed?  You can see what sound card it is with 'lspci'.
[11:21] <MorphDK> karlheg, yes
[11:21] <topyli> zoka: believe it. lilo only shows bootable partitions. it doesn't hide anything from the operating systems
[11:21] <MorphDK> karlheg, it's an intel soundcard, and the snd_intel8x0 driver is loaded..
[11:22] <karlheg> It is listed, but still no sound.  Hmmm.  I once had a similar problem.  I did everything you're supposed to and it still would not work.  I used alsamixer, and twiddled all the knobs, and something went 'pop', then it started working.
[11:23] <MorphDK> karlheg, i'm trying to use ALSA only, but there are a lot of 'oss' modules loaded.. is that the way it's supposed to be?
[11:23] <MorphDK> snd_seq_oss, snd_pcm_oss etc..
[11:23] <karlheg> Is the speaker volume turned up?  Are the speakers plugged into the right jack?  Are the speakers powered on?
[11:24] <Nobodyreal> Does anyone have experience getting the gmailfs package to work?
[11:24] <zoka> topyli: it did hide mine
[11:24] <MorphDK> it's a laptop.. and volume is at 100% and unmuted
[11:25] <karlheg> Well, I'm stumped.
[11:25] <MorphDK> me too :D
[11:25] <GNULinuxer> MorphDK> can you tell me what your problem is?
[11:25] <MorphDK> GNULinuxer, no sound at all, but everything seems working
[11:25] <ThE__OnE> if i create a file called test.dooc can that be opened with windows word?
[11:25] <GNULinuxer> MorphDK> which kernel?
[11:25] <Black-whIsp> hey. :)
[11:26] <ThE__OnE> test.doc
[11:26] <MorphDK> GNULinuxer, ehm.. The latest Ubuntu kernel?
[11:26] <Black-whIsp> is it possible to install ubuntu from the live cd?
[11:26] <topyli> zoka: if xp doesn't see an ntfs partition it has nothing to do with your boot loader
[11:26] <MorphDK> 2.6.10-5
[11:26] <GNULinuxer> MorphDK> hmm
[11:27] <MorphDK> GNULinuxer, no errors at all, and mplayer finds the card and start playing.. but no sound :(
[11:27] <ThE__OnE> Kernel: Linux 2.6.10-5-386
[11:27] <topyli> ThE__OnE: yes
[11:27] <GNULinuxer> MorphDK> MorphDK ahh ...
[11:27] <oga> hey i was wondering if anybody could help me get my ati driver etc installed properly... i've tried just about everything and all i can do now is break my xwindow display.... i've used the forums and wiki and i'm stumped
[11:28] <GNULinuxer> MorphDK> start alsamixer and mute the headphone jack sense and the line in jack sense
[11:28] <GNULinuxer> MorphDK> then try
[11:29] <MorphDK> GNULinuxer, still nothing :(
[11:29] <dajar> hey all
[11:29] <dajar> first time ubuntu user here! :)
[11:29] <dajar> and loving it
[11:29] <GNULinuxer> MorphDK> are you sure nothing is muted?
[11:30] <MorphDK> Yes, I am sure..
[11:30] <MorphDK> The only muted are the input devices..
[11:30] <wouterl> how can I use t
[11:30] <dajar> i just have one question... i installed apache/mysql/php with the synaptic application.. eveyrthing works apart from when i try and install phpmyadmin it says cannot load mysql extension;
[11:31] <wouterl> how can I use update on my old warty?
[11:31] <GNULinuxer> MorphDK> are you using the esd audio driver driver for mplayer?
[11:31] <MorphDK> Nope, ao=alsa in mplayer.conf
[11:31] <MorphDK> otherwise it won't even start :D
[11:32] <GNULinuxer> Moder> change it to esd
[11:32] <Zeinin> hey
[11:32] <Zeinin> anyone familiar with persistant crash-to-login bugs?
[11:32] <topyli> wouterl: update?
[11:32] <Vassilis> Hi
[11:32] <Vassilis> Hi?
[11:33] <MorphDK> GNULinuxer, I had some problems with slow sound in ESD, so I got an advice in here to change everything to ALSA... .(
[11:33] <dajar> hey here
[11:33] <Zeinin> sup
[11:33] <GNULinuxer> MorphDK> hmm
[11:33] <MorphDK> GNULinuxer, so everything is configured for ALSA now
[11:33] <Vassilis> So let me get into my point. Is there a way to see my ntfs disc using Ubuntu Live cd?
[11:33] <wouterl> topyli: well firefox for example (Synaptic package manager apply button doesn't work and I can't mark things as update ...)
[11:34] <topyli> Vassilis: sure, you just have to mount it
[11:34] <dajar> i thought ntfs was unstable
[11:34] <dajar> with linux comp
[11:34] <keikoz> it is for writing
[11:35] <Zeinin> this is really annoying, every 10-20 seconds, ubuntu will reboot to the login screen, and i cannot ctrl-alt-bksp to get out of xwin, it just clicks out and pops back in
[11:35] <topyli> dajar: mount it read-only
[11:35] <keikoz> on read no pbls
[11:35] <dajar> ah
[11:35] <ekCo> hmmph
[11:35] <Vassilis> @ topyli ....and that happens as... ?
[11:35] <dajar> sorry
[11:35] <ekCo> teamspeak still doesnt work!
[11:35] <Zeinin> so right now, i am using windows because ubuntu is really broken, anyone ever fix this?
[11:35] <johnnybezak> Zeinin: fix what
[11:36] <Zeinin> ..
[11:36] <Zeinin> constant and persistant crashes every 15 seconds
[11:36] <topyli> Vassilis: something like "sudo mount -t ntfs -o ro,umask=0 /dev/hdXX /mnt"
[11:36] <stian> morphDK> tru muteing everyting but master pcm and external amp, then turn master and pcm ALL the way up an then down again. that worcked for me.
[11:36] <dajar> really?
[11:36] <Zeinin> it dumps me back to the login
[11:36] <dajar> i only get fatal errors when i boot up
[11:36] <dajar> but it still works
[11:36] <ekCo> this is really annoying, every 10-20 seconds, ubuntu will reboot to the login screen, and i cannot ctrl-alt-bksp to get out of xwin, it just clicks out and pops back in
[11:36] <Zeinin> the first time after install
[11:36] <MorphDK> stian, i guess it's worth a try
[11:36] <ekCo> zeinin..
[11:36] <Zeinin> thanks ekco
[11:36] <keikoz> Zeinin the server X then probably
[11:36] <ekCo> what are you trying to do?
[11:36] <Vassilis> is the definition of the absolute linux newbie....
[11:36] <Zeinin> i am trying to use my computer
[11:37] <ekCo> yes ofcourse.. but in what way is it rebooting?
[11:37] <r2d4> Hi! Any sound gurus here? Still having problems.
[11:37] <Zeinin> the x-server seems to crash and restart
[11:37] <Zeinin> i end up back at the ubuntu login screen
[11:37] <ekCo> whats does
[11:37] <ekCo> 'dmesg' say *
[11:37] <Zeinin> what?
[11:38] <Zeinin> hmm?
[11:38] <Zeinin> i dont have the actual time to check anything
[11:38] <teroedni> hmm is w32 codecs removed from the reps ?
[11:38] <Zeinin> like, i cannot even get to a terminal
[11:38] <ekCo> control + alt + F1
[11:38] <MorphDK> stian, didn't work
[11:38] <ekCo> login as root
[11:38] <Zeinin> k
[11:38] <stian> morphDK> I think it has someting to do whit alsa seeing the volum control as 0 or 0 before you turn i all the way up once
[11:38] <oga> is there anybody in here that can help me get my fglrx drivers to work.... i'm totallly stumped,
[11:38] <ekCo> type root, and pw, then type dmesg
[11:38] <Zeinin> then what?
[11:39] <MorphDK> stian, but now i've turned it all the way up, then down, then up and finally down again..
[11:39] <stian> morphDK> 1 or 0 that is
[11:39] <Zeinin> "scrollkeeper" seems to be bitching alot when i can get a terminal screen
[11:40] <beavis> need help ... with the network
[11:40] <beavis> pls
[11:40] <beavis> anybody willing ?
[11:40] <Nobodyreal> Has anyone managed to get gmailfs working on Hoary?
[11:40] <cantrel29> bob2: what was to command to kick off xorg config again?
[11:40] <ekCo> Zeinin, dmesg should give you an output on what happened..
[11:40] <teroedni> gmailfs?
[11:41] <Zeinin> right
[11:41] <Zeinin> oh, another question
[11:41] <MorphDK> well.. going for a reboot.. brb
[11:41] <beavis> guys/gals, .. i tried using the network browser but i noticed when i tried to open a file, ..
[11:41] <beavis> it has an error
[11:41] <Zeinin> in the five minutes i had in ubuntu before this bullshit started, i tried to run synaptic and it failed
[11:41] <Nobodyreal> Tereoedni: It's for mounting a gmail account to your filesystem.
[11:41] <Zeinin> something about not having exclusive control over something
[11:42] <teroedni> :)
[11:42] <dajar> ok guys
[11:42] <dajar> what would be the php4-mysql package for unbuntu
[11:42] <teroedni> never tried that ....Yet
[11:42] <ekCo> Zeinin, you must use root to do this
[11:42] <bob2> cantrel29: sueo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:42] <bob2> well, sudo
[11:42] <bob2> dajar: php4-mysql
[11:42] <beavis> i had an SMB error when i tried to open a doc file on the network browser .. anybody help ?
[11:42] <dajar> its not working
[11:42] <dajar> E: Couldn't find package php4-mysql
[11:42] <dajar> when i apt get
[11:43] <CDK> hello
[11:43] <bob2> dajar: yes, it's in the universe repository
[11:43] <dajar> sorry how would i get to that
[11:43] <dajar> first time unbuntu user here! :D
[11:43] <cantrel29> bob2: thankyou again.
[11:43] <CDK> this is the first time i have ever used irc its pretty cool
[11:43] <bob2> do you know how to use a text editor?
[11:43] <dajar> yes
[11:44] <topyli> !universe
[11:44] <ubotu> topyli: I don't know
[11:44] <topyli> hm
[11:44] <cantrel29> yes
[11:44] <bob2> dajar: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, read the bit about universe and uncomment the lines
[11:44] <CDK> this might be a stupid question but how do i get this chat to be on the desktop?
[11:44] <bob2> then run 'sudo apt-get update', then try installing it again
[11:44] <CDK> like a wallpaper
[11:45] <bob2> you can't
[11:45] <bob2> not easily, anyway
[11:46] <ekCo> how do i install wine?
[11:46] <ekCo> i added the repos etc, but still cant be found
[11:46] <Nobodyreal> ekCo: Which repos?
[11:46] <bob2> ekCo: paste your /etc/ap/sour to #flood
[11:46] <bob2> er, you know what file I mean
[11:47] <s00d> Hi. I'm having a little trouble installing IPTables::IPv4. I'm trying to install the module so I can use the linblock.pl script from www.dessent.net. I've manually downloaded it and done 'perl Makefile.pl' and 'make install', and all seems to have gone swimmingly. But after when trying to run linblock.pl I still get the following error message: 'Could not connect to iptables interface: iptables who? (do you need to insmod?)' Is
[11:47] <s00d>  there something I've missed here?
[11:47] <ekCo> ok
[11:47] <beavis> i had an SMB error when i tried to open a doc file on the network browser .. anybody help ?
[11:47] <alonso> hi all!!
[11:47] <CDK> did you try it with the ip
[11:48] <alonso> i need some suggestion
[11:48] <CDK> sometimes the host names can be off at least on my network
[11:48] <CDK> ip always works tho
[11:48] <ekCo> bob2 check flood
[11:49] <beavis> i can't open a doc file when i access it on a shared folder on a network server .. how come ???
[11:49] <alonso> i want to change refresh rate, because it just only 60 Hz, it bad for me
[11:49] <bob2> beavis: does it work if you copy it to the desktop first?
[11:49] <bob2> ekCo: and paste the error you get from 'sudo apt-get install wine' to #flood, too
[11:49] <beavis> yes .. it works
[11:49] <beavis> bob2 : yes it works .. tried it ....
[11:49] <mlambie> can in run ubuntu i386 on an Athlon 64 bit processor?
[11:50] <beavis> bob2 : but if i do that , .. i'll have to copy / paste it again on the server.
[11:50] <ekCo> mlambie, yes.
[11:50] <mlambie> because i've finished the install, and it says "error cannot load operating system"
[11:50] <beavis> bob2: is there anything easier like the one windows does ?
[11:50] <mlambie> which seems like a grub error
[11:50] <ekCo> err
[11:50] <ekCo> which version?
[11:50] <bob2> beavis: sure, mount it prerly
[11:50] <mlambie> hoary
[11:50] <microhaxo> bullshit, Viewing my NTFS Drives FCKED windows
[11:50] <ekCo> bob2, sent
[11:50] <bob2> microhaxo: ctop it
[11:50] <beavis> bob2: you mean i have to do it manually ?? no front-end based ?
[11:51] <microhaxo> ctop it?
[11:51] <bob2> "stop"
[11:51] <microhaxo> stop
[11:51] <microhaxo> what
[11:51] <bob2> ranting
[11:51] <microhaxo> im pissed, if you had to pay 120 for a new windows
[11:51] <bob2> if you have a problem, explain what you did
[11:51] <ekCo> lol
[11:51] <microhaxo> it cant be fixed
[11:51] <bob2> right
[11:51] <bob2> because if yo ucan't fix it, it must be impossible
[11:51] <microhaxo> now im stuck with  ubuntu
[11:51] <microhaxo> bob2
[11:51] <ekCo> bob2, sent, check when helped microhaxo
[11:51] <microhaxo> im a very experienced windows user
[11:52] <microhaxo> i know when it cant be fixed
[11:52] <bob2> I'm sure you are
[11:52] <microhaxo> i need to format
[11:52] <bob2> that I'm less convinced of
[11:52] <mlambie> ekCo, i am booting off a sata disk, and it worked with the 64_x86 install earlier today
[11:52] <microhaxo> bha
[11:52] <bob2> ekCo: hrm...you're not on amd64,, are you?
[11:52] <goliat> whats the command to nat all trafic from tun1 "tunnel interface" to eth1
[11:52] <microhaxo> somehow viewing my ntfs drives FUBARD windows, its missing files, it wont boot, ETC
[11:52] <xabbu|> morning guys.
[11:52] <microhaxo> bad morning
[11:52] <mlambie> problem is, some software i need only comes packaged as rpms, and they only work with alien on 32 bit
[11:52] <topyli> microhaxo: reading an ntfs partition does no harm to it
[11:53] <bob2> microhaxo: "viewing"?
[11:53] <microhaxo> yes it does
[11:53] <bob2> microhaxo: what exactly did you do?
[11:53] <topyli> you wrote to it
[11:53] <microhaxo> you cant
[11:53] <Nobodyreal> ecKo: May sound like a stupid question...  you've run "apt-get update" right?
[11:53] <microhaxo> write to ntfs
[11:53] <bob2> microhaxo: see, the reason we doubt you is because no one else has ever seen this
[11:53] <ekCo> bob2, im on 64bit.
[11:53] <microhaxo> you know
[11:53] <lukus001> How can i install w32codec on chroot
[11:53] <xabbu|> What has happend?
[11:53] <bob2> ekCo: wine doesn't work on an amd64 machine
[11:53] <ekCo> yes Nobodyreal
[11:53] <microhaxo> i have a story like this with red hat.. HERE is how it went:
[11:53] <ekCo> :|
[11:53] <bob2> ekCo: er,on the amd64 ubuntu port
[11:53] <topyli> microhaxo: sure you can write to it, it's just dangerous
[11:53] <ekCo> it has the howto on winehq for ubuntu lol
[11:53] <bob2> microhaxo: we don't care about some other story, tell us what you did this time
[11:54] <microhaxo> :|
[11:54] <microhaxo> wasted all that typing
[11:54] <microhaxo> i didnt do anything
[11:54] <microhaxo> i was in gnome
[11:54] <microhaxo> playin mp3's
[11:54] <ekCo> i got cedega running on 64bit without a 32bit chroot :P
[11:54] <bob2> ekCo: it says you can install it on the amd64 ubuntu port?
[11:54] <bob2> microhaxo: show us your /etc/fstab, in #flood
[11:54] <microhaxo> and i wanted to play a little CounterStrike source, so i booted into windows, and it was fine
[11:54] <microhaxo> k
[11:54] <catfox> are there any packages for beagle on hoary? or is it easy to get working from beagle source?
[11:55] <lukus001> Does anyone know how i can install the w32codec ?
[11:55] <bob2> catfox: doesn't modern beagle require mono 1.1?
[11:55] <ekCo> bob2, not exactly
[11:55] <microhaxo> lol
[11:55] <Ubuntu> hi
[11:55] <bob2> lukus001: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[11:55] <microhaxo> you want the list of files in directory?
[11:55] <Nobodyreal> So...  Nobody has ideas on how I could get gmailfs working?
[11:55] <bob2> microhaxo: no, I'd like to see your /etc/fstab file
[11:55] <lukus001> bob2: when i do apt-get it says it has no install candiadte
[11:55] <microhaxo> it wont open
[11:55] <microhaxo> gedit
[11:55] <microhaxo> hrm
[11:55] <bob2> lukus001: you need to read that wiki page
[11:55] <lukus001> okay
[11:55] <beavis> bob2: you mean i have to do it manually ?? no front-end based ?
[11:56] <microhaxo> #flood
[11:56] <topyli> catfox: http://beaglewiki.org/index.php/UbuntuInstall . make sure to read it all first
[11:56] <bob2> beavis: basically, yes
[11:56] <ekCo> bob2, i gtg.
[11:56] <catfox> topyli, thanks
[11:56] <ekCo> thanks for help anyways
[11:56] <bob2> ekCo: np, sorry for not being of more use
[11:56] <bob2> tata
[11:56] <microhaxo> bob2 check it
[11:57] <bob2> microhaxo: so, now you have to stop whinging, forever
[11:57] <bob2> microhaxo: you're using captive ntfs
[11:57] <bob2> when it breaks, you get to keep all the pieces
[11:57] <microhaxo> what?
[11:57] <ekCo> heh, actually
[11:57] <microhaxo> i dont do anything with my windows drives
[11:57] <ekCo> i will be back later
[11:57] <microhaxo> i just boot to them>
[11:57] <bob2> 19:56:42      microhaxo |  /dev/hdb1 /mnt/captive-new_volume captive-ntfs defaults,noauto 0 0
[11:57] <microhaxo> i have never Written to them
[11:57] <ekCo> to fix teamspeak, maybe you might have an idea?
[11:58] <microhaxo> yea i installed that yesturday
[11:58] <bob2> microhaxo: whatever, you went out of your way to install and configure captive ntfs
[11:58] <microhaxo> it was broke YESTURDAY
[11:58] <microhaxo> i wanted to replace a dll
[11:58] <bob2> that ate your disk, that's entirely your own fault
[11:58] <microhaxo> in linux
[11:58] <ekCo> bob2?
[11:58] <bob2> yes, writing to ntfs is not safe from linux
[11:58] <microhaxo> IT was FUCKING BROKEN B4 that!
[11:58] <bob2> and will corrupt your disk
[11:58] <microhaxo> omg
[11:58] <microhaxo> forget it
[11:58] <microhaxo> windows = broken for 3 days now
[11:58] <bob2> ekCo: never used it, sorry
[11:58] <bob2> microhaxo: ok!
[11:58] <microhaxo> captive ntfs installed = yesturday
[11:59] <ekCo> k
[11:59] <microhaxo> Bob2 how do i remove captive ntfs
[11:59] <microhaxo> ?
[11:59] <microhaxo> just delete the lines?
[11:59] <bob2> that would be a start
[11:59] <microhaxo> err
[11:59] <microhaxo> bob2
[11:59] <bob2> you installed it from source, so I ddon't know where you put the rest of the bits
[11:59] <xabbu|> Why not just put in the winXP disc and make repair the system?
[11:59] <microhaxo> captiventfs is on my EMPTY NTFS hd
[11:59] <microhaxo> windows is on hda1
[11:59] <bob2> microhaxo: ok!
[12:00] <bob2> oga: please keep things in the channel
[12:00] <lukus001> bob2: that link isn't of any use... it doesnt help me get the codecs ?:S
[12:00] <bob2> oga: all I can suggest is reading the howto again and making sure you followed all the steps
[12:00] <oga> thanks bob2
[12:00] <bob2> oga: and that the drivers support your card
[12:01] <microhaxo> God dammit, now i need to go buy a new windowsxp cd
[12:01] <microhaxo> :|
[12:01] <bob2> why on earth would you need to do that?
[12:01] <microhaxo> mine is Scratched to hell
[12:01] <bob2> if you installed windows, presumably you own a windows disk
[12:01] <microhaxo> its Scratched
[12:01] <microhaxo> i havent had to reinstall windows for EVER
[12:01] <microhaxo> it works FLAWLESSLY
[12:01] <beavis> buy pirated .... lots here
[12:01] <lukus001> just by a cd de-scratcher
[12:01] <microhaxo> pirated doesnt give me updates
[12:02] <beavis> yes it does .. it does for us here
[12:02] <bob2> annnnnyway
[12:02] <beavis> heheheheh
[12:02] <xabbu|> awn your cd--key isn't scratched right..?
[12:02] <Ubuntu> hi i will take over my xp computer with my ubuntu pc how? i tright it with terminal server client but err
[12:02] <beavis> sorrry am not so techie, .. can't help you people who need help
[12:02] <beavis> i need help too
[12:03] <microhaxo> i dont have my cd key anymore, if i can boot into windows and retreive it
[12:03] <beavis> :P
[12:03] <CDK> hehe there is a cd key gen for xp
[12:03] <xabbu|> Ubuntu, Have you activated the Terminal server on your windows computer?
[12:03] <lukus001> So does anyone know how i can get w32codecs installed? i just get file missing install candidate
[12:03] <xabbu|> lukus001: Is your repositories updated?
[12:04] <Ubuntu> yes ssh i believe secure security client
[12:04] <lukus001> xabbu|: yes they are
[12:04] <xabbu|> Okey.
[12:04] <bob2> lukus001: just get the tarball from mplayer.hu
[12:05] <nubbe> I need a better ntfs reader than the default (better error-handling), is there any such thing?
[12:05] <Hylas> is installing .deb files individually dangerous? I've heard it can screw the system over if they fail!
[12:05] <xabbu|> microhaxo: Well, thats your fault. Why on earth would you store your cd-key on your harddrive?
[12:05] <bob2> nubbe: no
[12:05] <CDK> if i install form source how do i uninstall
[12:05] <microhaxo> err
[12:05] <microhaxo> cus i never had to use it
[12:05] <microhaxo> i didnt store it
[12:05] <microhaxo> i can get a program to read it
[12:05] <bob2> Hylas: not if they're from ubuntu, but in practice you won't need to do that
[12:05] <CDK> like i said there is a way to change it and update it
[12:05] <microhaxo> off of windows
[12:05] <nubbe> bob2, that's bad :(
[12:05] <CDK> with a keygen
[12:05] <nubbe> for me
[12:05] <bob2> nubbe: why?
[12:05] <bob2> anyway, all this windows stuff is off topic
[12:06] <bob2> take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[12:06] <CDK> yes i had a simple question how do i uninstall something i installed from source
[12:06] <lukus001> bob2: that site isnt in english :s lol
[12:06] <xabbu|> ubuntu, You need the have a ssh server installed on windows if you are to use ssh.
[12:06] <microhaxo> bah
[12:06] <Hylas> because I've got xmms and mplayer here as rpm's and I was going to convert them to deb with alien then install them. I have a slow internet connection so i try to stay away from downloading
[12:06] <nubbe> bob2, I could read some files with xp, but not with ubuntu, that I need...
[12:06] <microhaxo> If linux could actually run a damn game, CEDEGA is complete BS, wont run Counterstrike source whatso ever..
[12:07] <bob2> CDK: you can't, in general.  "make uninstall" might work if yo ustill have the original source tree still
[12:07] <bob2> microhaxo: so, if you're a paying customer, go to their site and vote for it
[12:07] <CDK> i c
[12:07] <bob2> Hylas: I'd strongly recommend not doing that
[12:07] <Hylas> ok
[12:07] <microhaxo> it is "Supported"
[12:07] <nubbe> bob2, and I know th aprtition is flaky, so I guess win handles the errors better
[12:07] <GNULinuxer> nubbe> what  files?
[12:07] <bob2> CDK: in future, checkinstall and stow are useful for that
[12:07] <bob2> microhaxo: then file a bug with them if it doesn't work
[12:07] <microhaxo> but just my luck it wont run on my sys
[12:07] <Ubuntu> xabbul: ok i use secure shell client
[12:07] <xabbu|> okey
[12:07] <bob2> microhaxo: ranting here isn't going to help it work, sorry
[12:08] <microhaxo> nothing will help
[12:08] <nubbe> GNULinuxer, why?
[12:08] <microhaxo> im pissed
[12:08] <bob2> microhaxo: then be pissed somewhere else
[12:08] <bob2> CDK: plese keep it on-channel
[12:08] <GNULinuxer> nubbe> you said you can't view them in ubuntu ... that's why
[12:08] <bob2> CDK: they do different things, but checkinstall is probably simpler
[12:08] <CDK> sorry m8 i dont know how to talk to just you
[12:09] <nubbe> GNULinuxer, No, I said I can't read them
[12:09] <nubbe> GNULinuxer, As in ubuntu can't get the data from the ntfs part
[12:09] <microhaxo> ARG, i cannot connect to this FTP, it needs SECURE connection but when i use SSH2 it times out?!?!
[12:09] <GNULinuxer> nubbe> aha
[12:09] <microhaxo> using Gftp
[12:09] <xabbu|> Anyone knows of any hardware checking software for linux. That sees if something is broken like agp-ports and stuff.
[12:10] <bob2> microhaxo: ssh has nothing to do with ftp over ssl
[12:10] <bob2> xabbu|: I'm pretty sure it's not possible to detect that from software
[12:10] <microhaxo> then how do i connect securely?
[12:11] <xabbu|> Okey...
[12:11] <microhaxo> gFTP
[12:11] <GNULinuxer> nubbe> NTFS read support is there in the ubuntu kernel
[12:12] <nubbe> GNULinuxer, yes, but that doesn't cut it for me, that's why I asked if there was sometething better, more elaborate out there
[12:12] <GNULinuxer> nubbe> can you succesfully mount the partition?
[12:13] <microhaxo> bob2: how do i connect securely to this ftp?
[12:13] <bob2> microhaxo: I don't know what "ftp" you're talking about
[12:13] <microhaxo> i said
[12:13] <bob2> I hear gftp can do ftp/ssl, tho
[12:13] <microhaxo> its my prif ftp
[12:13] <microhaxo> anyway
[12:13] <bob2> "prif" is not a word
[12:13] <microhaxo> gFTP
[12:13] <microhaxo> itsa  damn TOPSITE Mk
[12:14] <microhaxo> so
[12:14] <bob2> I have no idea what a "TOPSITE Mk" is, either
[12:14] <microhaxo> you dont need to know
[12:14] <nubbe> GNULinuxer, I can mount and read most of it, just a few files that has errors, and did under xp too, but I just didn't realise that before, since I could read them with xp (that is no more)
[12:14] <opteron> QUOTE WHOIS %s %s
[12:14] <microhaxo> i need to connect to a server with SECURE Access.
[12:14] <GNULinuxer> nubbe> it's corrupt now
[12:14] <bob2> microhaxo: throwing around buzzwords doesn't help
[12:15] <nubbe> GNULinuxer, NOOO?? really??   ;)
[12:15] <bob2> microhaxo: presumably it speaks ftp/ssl
[12:15] <bob2> microhaxo: if that doesn't work, talk to whoever runs it
[12:15] <GNULinuxer> nubbe> the xp failure must have happended after you tried to read them from ubuntu, right?
[12:15] <microhaxo> yea sure, but how do i select this option in gFTP?
[12:15] <microhaxo> there is just drop down boxes
[12:15] <GNULinuxer> nubbe> just apt-get install ntfsprogs
[12:15] <microhaxo> ftp , http ,local ,ssh2,fsp
[12:15] <opteron> 
[12:15] <nubbe> GNULinuxer, I'll look at them
[12:16] <GNULinuxer> nubbe> and use ntfsfix from there and try to fix it
[12:16] <microhaxo> 530 USE SECURE CONNECTION
[12:16] <nubbe> GNULinuxer, that I don't think I'll do
[12:17] <s00d> No takers? :-(
[12:18] <bob2> I'd use a less obscure firewall system, I guess
[12:18] <microhaxo> like?
[12:18] <tapia> hi
[12:18] <tapia> I have a problem with my ubuntu
[12:19] <tapia> I have it installed Breezy in my ibook G4
[12:19] <microhaxo> is there an easy to use FTP app?
[12:19] <bob2> gftp is pretty easy to use
[12:19] <tapia> and some dist-upgrade has broken my X keyboard layout
[12:19] <floo> does anyone know anyting about name resolution?
[12:19] <microhaxo> lol thats what im using
[12:19] <bob2> tapia: you're using hoary, right?
[12:19] <microhaxo> and it wont connect meh
[12:19] <tapia> bob2: no, breezy
[12:19] <tapia> it worked rigth till today
[12:19] <microhaxo> whats the diff between breezy and hoary?
[12:19] <bob2> microhaxo: lftp does it
[12:20] <bob2> breezy is the development branch
[12:20] <tapia> i had it configured for spanish layour
[12:20] <tapia> layout
[12:20] <bob2> which is not recommended for people who can't fix their own systems
[12:20] <tapia> but now it is english
[12:20] <bob2> I guess X is broken again; you'll have to wait for daniel to fix it
[12:20] <bob2> try looking ni bugzilla, there's probably a workaround already
[12:20] <tapia> and gnome-keyboard-properties crashes if i try to change the layout
[12:21] <microhaxo> bob2
[12:21] <microhaxo> says i already got it
[12:21] <microhaxo> is it gui or terminal?
[12:21] <bob2> cool
[12:21] <bob2> terminal
[12:21] <microhaxo> aww
[12:22] <bob2> I thought all leet kiddies knew how to use command line ftp clients
[12:22] <microhaxo> im a windows user dammit
[12:22] <microhaxo> its only day 10 on linux
[12:22] <bob2> you use a gui client on windows? heh
[12:22] <microhaxo> wtf
[12:22] <Dalkus> microhaxo, you'll get used to it in no time :)
[12:22] <bob2> it's easy to use
[12:22] <microhaxo> they dont make a "Terminal" FTP client for windows
[12:22] <microhaxo> hah
[12:22] <Dalkus> microhaxo, theres plenty of gui ftp clients for linux too if you like
[12:22] <bob2> microhaxo: er, it ships with one
[12:22] <Dalkus> microhaxo, they do
[12:23] <bob2> microhaxo: type ftp in a command window sometime
[12:23] <tapia> microhaxo: apt-get install gftp-gtk
[12:23] <microhaxo> k
[12:23] <microhaxo> thanks
[12:23] <microhaxo> i have gftp
[12:23] <microhaxo> lol
[12:23] <microhaxo> i need a diff one
[12:23] <microhaxo> it wont let me connect securely
[12:24] <odie5533> Using Telnet to a website, what command downloads the page?
[12:24] <floo> can anyone help me with a problem?  I keep getting "temporary failure in name resolution"  I can ping ip addrsses and the router but no domains.  I've checked resolv.conf and everything's ok there similarly with /etc/hosts... aaarrgghh!!! any ideas?
[12:24] <bob2> odie5533: GET
[12:25] <bob2> floo: can you ping the nameserves in /etc/resov.conf?
[12:25] <odie5533> GET what?
[12:25] <odie5533> just "GET"
[12:25] <microhaxo> thats the command
[12:25] <floo> yes no probs there
[12:25] <bob2> GET $path HTTP/1.1
[12:25] <bob2> or just ues the GET command from libwww-perl
[12:25] <bob2> or wget
[12:25] <bob2> or ...
[12:25] <Triffid_Hunter> you need HOST too if you specify HTTP/1.1
[12:26] <bob2> hmm, right
[12:26] <microhaxo> the only reason why i dont like linux is: i spent lots of money on my nifty RADEON X800XT PE and linux cant do anything with it.
[12:26] <floo> ok I'll give that a go, thanks
[12:26] <Triffid_Hunter> that's ATI's fault, not linux's
[12:26] <odie5533> microhaxo: ebay
[12:26] <microhaxo> bah
[12:26] <microhaxo> no i am a GAMER
[12:26] <odie5533> sell it, and buy a real card, an nvidia
[12:26] <odie5533> me too
[12:26] <microhaxo> BAH
[12:27] <microhaxo> nvidia sucks ass
[12:27] <odie5533> :O
[12:27] <microhaxo> i can own any of you in a 3dmark 05 benchmark
[12:27] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah my fx5200 works just fine in linux ;)
[12:27] <bob2> microhaxo: try to actually be polite
[12:27] <bob2> and no one cares how big your video card is
[12:27] <Ubuntu> xabul: ill tright it but connection refused he says
[12:27] <microhaxo> bah
[12:27] <odie5533> mines like bigger than my box
[12:27] <Dalkus> bob2, talk for yoruself
[12:27] <odie5533> it wont even fit in
[12:27] <odie5533> so i win
[12:27] <microhaxo> lol
[12:27] <microhaxo> no
[12:27] <microhaxo> mine has 16 pipelines
[12:27] <Vassilis> anyone to spare a minute for a newbie?
[12:27] <microhaxo> hah
[12:27] <odie5533> mine has its own power supply, and two led fans, i win
[12:27] <microhaxo> no
[12:27] <bob2> and my radeon works fine in ubuntu
[12:28] <microhaxo> mine works
[12:28] <Dalkus> Vassilis, dont ask to ask, just ask :)
[12:28] <microhaxo> but WHAT Games can i play?!
[12:28] <Vassilis> is there a way to pm just not fill the window?
[12:28] <microhaxo> who wants to play tux racer, integrated graphics card can run that 50FPS +
[12:28] <microhaxo> yea
[12:28] <microhaxo> ./msg
[12:28] <Triffid_Hunter> microhaxo: quake1,2,3, doom1,2,3, unreal, unreal tournament (goty,2003,2004), diablo 2 all work 100% on my box
[12:28] <microhaxo> not on mine
[12:28] <microhaxo> unreal spits out some error
[12:28] <microhaxo> that is
[12:28] <sly> cos you got a sh**t card maker
[12:28] <microhaxo> Americas army
[12:28] <Triffid_Hunter> probably your shit video card ;)
[12:29] <microhaxo> ...
[12:29] <odie5533> bob2: If I want to get the /abc dir from telnet, what do I type?
[12:29] <microhaxo> in windows
[12:29] <microhaxo> ATI = king
[12:29] <sly> lmao @ windows
[12:29] <Dalkus> odie5533, why are you using telnet? Use wget
[12:29] <sly> you are in the wrong place to talk about such crap
[12:29] <Dalkus> man wget :)
[12:29] <microhaxo> dont get me going
[12:29] <Triffid_Hunter> more to the point, tight-ass manufacturer who doesn't care at all about a user in your situation, microhaxo
[12:29] <Dalkus> stop the god dammed flame war!
[12:29] <Dalkus> This is a HELP chan
[12:29] <microhaxo> do i care?
[12:29] <odie5533> wget only downloads things.... thats worthless
[12:29] <Triffid_Hunter> microhaxo: it seems that you do
[12:29] <microhaxo> ati did its job
[12:29] <Vassilis> so how the s..t do i mount my sd1 ntfs using ubuntu live cd? heh?
[12:29] <odie5533> Dalkus: flames can be helpful =P
[12:29] <Triffid_Hunter> microhaxo: send em a bunch of nastygrams about it
[12:30] <Dalkus> this one is just pointless
[12:30] <Dalkus> Vassilis, I think ubuntuguide.org covers that
[12:30] <Vassilis> ill see again thx
[12:30] <Dalkus> it should be the same for livecd
[12:30] <microhaxo> i dont get how people get so defensive over linux, it has been beat by windows many a times, sure it is advancing in desktop envirnment but heh, its no where near the level that windows is, i dont care what anyone says, windows is stable as hell, never broke on me once, till this damn linux fubard it up..
[12:31] <Dalkus> microhaxo, so why the hell are you using it? ;)
[12:31] <microhaxo> i run windows server 2003, never crashed once at my work
[12:31] <microhaxo> BECAUSE i want to learn multiple os's
[12:31] <sly> well learn about it rather than bitching about it eh ?
[12:31] <Dalkus> right, so be OPEN at learn about them, rather than flame about them
[12:32] <microhaxo> Bah, cuz everything i do doesnt work..
[12:32] <microhaxo> and ontop of that
[12:32] <microhaxo> it costs me 120.0-
[12:32] <Dalkus> linux is stable and works perfectly - IF YOU KNOW what your doing and understand it - obviously. you cant expect to drive a car and not crash after just one day by yourself
[12:32] <microhaxo> i didnt crash a car my first time driving?
[12:32] <Dalkus> right, so because everything you do dosnt work means linux "dosnt work?" dont think so :) YOu just have to put time into learning about it
[12:32] <sly> that is not the OS fault , thats the card maker............. blame them not linux
[12:32] <s00d> It would help if the driving instructors instructed.
[12:32] <microhaxo> what
[12:32] <microhaxo> no
[12:32] <Dalkus> omg, it's called imagination
[12:32] <microhaxo> im talkin about INSTALLing apps
[12:33] <Dalkus> putting something in perspective? jeez....
[12:33] <microhaxo> dont release an amd64 kernel if you dont have packages to back them up
[12:33] <sly> installing appz ??? what beats apt-get
[12:33] <microhaxo> what beats it?
[12:33] <microhaxo> well
[12:33] <Dalkus> microhaxo, yes - you have to learn how to isntall apps, its just just one click install and wham like in windoze
[12:33] <microhaxo> when you are running a amd64 release that dont ACCEPT like any damn programs
[12:33] <microhaxo> i know how to apt-get
[12:33] <microhaxo> apt-get update
[12:34] <microhaxo> all that shit, it doesnt work well at all, they have no repositories for this release yet, but yet they release it to public..
[12:34] <Dalkus> microhaxo, well, not many windows apps are geard for x64 either.
[12:34] <microhaxo> i can run windows x64 fine
[12:34] <sly> microhaxo may i ask how much your work paid for an offcial licence to run server 2003
[12:34] <microhaxo> runs all my games?
[12:34] <microhaxo> and ati
[12:34] <sly> and not the copy you took in from home
[12:34] <microhaxo> lots of damn money
[12:34] <microhaxo> but it runs FLAWLESSLY
[12:34] <Dalkus> my box runs flawlessly
[12:34] <Triffid_Hunter> hehe emerge easy beats apt-get, but thats just an opinion ;)
[12:35] <microhaxo> i have compiled stuff in linux to get it to work, i have changed it from rpm to deb, i have just ran it, i have installed from the package manager, sure its pretty easy but if 90% of the $hit isnt there to download and use why release an os
[12:35] <microhaxo> read the ubuntu forums, countless amd64 problems
[12:35] <floo> Yes but genttoo can take forever compiling software before you can useit
[12:36] <Dalkus> microhaxo, read any OS' forums
[12:37] <Dalkus> countless x84 problems
[12:37] <Triffid_Hunter> floo: 's what stage3/--usepkg is for.. and its well worth the extra compile time to me, after all the problems i've had with debian and the like
[12:37] <Dalkus> thats the chipset, not the distro.
[12:37] <Dalkus> you cant expect a new technology to work instantly
[12:37] <floo> I'm not against Gentoo, I tried a stage 1 compile but after a week of trying to get kde to compile, enough ws enough
[12:37] <Dalkus> people need time to develop for it - be patient..
[12:39] <microhaxo> i work for geeksquad at best buy
[12:39] <microhaxo> they have well enuff for windows 2003
[12:39] <microhaxo> lol
[12:39] <microhaxo> server
[12:39] <xabbu|> Still why buy it?
[12:42] <sly> so what is your actualy problem here microhaxo ?
[12:42] <microhaxo> my problem is
[12:42] <microhaxo> linux broke meh windows
[12:42] <microhaxo> and now im stuck with linux
[12:42] <microhaxo> and it cant even play my damn games
[12:42] <microhaxo> so i have a very expensive system for nothing
[12:42] <sly> you mean you simple didnt know what you was doing when installing a bootloader ?
[12:42] <Dalkus> microhaxo, install windows again?
[12:42] <sly> and dived in head first to install linux ?
[12:43] <microhaxo> my cd is FUBAR
[12:43] <Dalkus> microhaxo, borrow a friends then
[12:43] <microhaxo> and i dont have my cdkey, i ususally get it off of windows
[12:43] <sly> well your connected to the internet, download it
[12:43] <Dalkus> /me didnt say that
[12:43] <microhaxo> Im trying to download it
[12:43] <microhaxo> get me a decent FTP CLIENT
[12:43] <microhaxo> !
[12:43] <ubotu> microhaxo: I don't know
[12:43] <sly> apt-get install gftp
[12:44] <sly> also i beleive flashfxp runs good in wine
[12:44] <microhaxo> hah
[12:44] <microhaxo> noting works in my wine
[12:44] <microhaxo> :|
[12:44] <Dalkus> nah, ubuntu build of wine sucks - I can't deny that
[12:44] <microhaxo> lol
[12:44] <Dalkus> microhaxo, get amule to download it
[12:44] <Dalkus> or use bittorrent
[12:45] <microhaxo> i did
[12:45] <microhaxo> and it was DUTCHE
[12:45] <Dalkus> so... check before you download next time? :S
[12:45] <Dalkus> get the english version, maybe?
[12:46] <opteron> hi
[12:46] <microhaxo> it said
[12:46] <sly> hey
[12:46] <microhaxo> english
[12:46] <microhaxo> lol
[12:47] <mjt> hmm. are there any locailzed "builds" of ubuntu, at all?
[12:47] <microhaxo> omg
[12:47] <microhaxo> wine froze installing flashfxp
[12:47] <microhaxo> :|
[12:48] <mjt> installer and the OS supports alot of languages, but i'm not aware of any "stripped" builds
[12:48] <Wimpie> anybody around with knowledge about HAL ?
[12:49] <microhaxo> i have a ATHLON 64 3400+ why does it take wine 7 min to load an app?!
[12:49] <holycow> heh
[12:49] <holycow> have you guys seen the flying donuts screensaver?
[12:49] <holycow> roxors
[12:49] <holycow> :)
[12:50] <sly> microhaxo you seem hell bent on showing people the size of your graphics card and system, and sit here bashing the os everyone in here i assume enjoys using............. do you exspect a reply ?
[12:50] <microhaxo> BAh
[12:50] <microhaxo> 3400 is not big
[12:51] <microhaxo> and this is shit
[12:51] <microhaxo> it froze?
[12:51] <microhaxo> and i cant even close it
[12:51] <microhaxo> cuz its not in the toolbar deal
[12:51] <sly> xkill
[12:51] <Wimpie> hald (hardware abstraction layer daemon) claims missing features in kernel.  but which ?
[12:51] <microhaxo> everything is freezing because of this wine
[12:52] <microhaxo> god dammit
[12:52] <microhaxo> everything is freezing
[12:53] <sly> i bet you feel right at home being a windows user ;)
[12:53] <daniel^> aww, evil
[12:53] <microhaxo> windows has never froze on me
[12:53] <microhaxo> ever
[12:53] <microhaxo> omg
[12:53] <microhaxo> xkill -all
[12:53] <[alia_ynony] > microhaxo: on my pc (celeron 900 Mhz) it takes 3 minutes. Let's interchange!
[12:53] <microhaxo> wont work
[12:53] <microhaxo> its froze
[12:53] <microhaxo> my pc Amd a64 3400
[12:54] <microhaxo> 2.4ghz
[12:54] <microhaxo> 1mb cache
[12:54] <microhaxo> 10+
[12:54] <microhaxo> now
[12:54] <microhaxo> God dammit
[12:55] <microhaxo> Bah
[12:55] <Echylo> back
[12:55] <microhaxo> had to restart x
[12:55] <microhaxo> it was all froze
[12:55] <ThE__OnE> why does my ip adress keep changing everytime i reboot ubuntu? I have cable and it never did that for winxp
[12:56] <microhaxo> cuz linux = paranoid
[12:57] <ThE__OnE> bob2, are you there?
[12:58] <Hylas> I can't see mplayer or xine-gui in apt-get, any ideas?
[12:58] <Echylo> Hylas, www.ubuntuguide.org add the repo's
[12:59] <ThE__OnE> why does my ip adress keep changing everytime i reboot ubuntu? I have cable and it never did that for winxp
[12:59] <Echylo> btw quick question, can I change the colors of the menu bar? cause now I have black text on black wallpaper
[12:59] <Hylas> ok
[12:59] <Echylo> ThE__OnE, maybe you don't have static ip? cause It would be weird that windows wouldn't have it, ur sure it's your outside ip?
[12:59] <ThE__OnE> uhh, YEA!
[01:01] <mjt> oh well. a bunch of bots.
[01:01] <Seveas> gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodafternoon #ubuntu!
[01:01] <ThE__OnE> flood
[01:01] <ThE__OnE> Seveas
[01:01] <ThE__OnE> you can hopefully answer my question
[01:01] <ThE__OnE> why does my ip adress keep changing everytime i reboot ubuntu? I have cable and it never did that for winxp
[01:01] <microhaxo> Wtf is going on
[01:02] <ThE__OnE> join part flood
[01:02] <microhaxo> I dir into where FLASHFXP is
[01:02] <microhaxo> and i do
[01:02] <microhaxo> CEDEGA flashfxp.exe
[01:02] <microhaxo> and it opens it for .141414 of a second and closes?
[01:02] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, join/part flood?
[01:02] <Seveas> did I miss something?
[01:03] <microhaxo> no but seveas, you did miss my question ;)
[01:03] <microhaxo> why does flashfxp.exe open for .150140 of a second and close?
[01:03] <microhaxo> with no error
[01:03] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, maybe your cable provider changed things
[01:03] <Seveas> microhaxo, no idea, I never use windows software on linux
[01:03] <microhaxo> poo
[01:03] <ThE__OnE> Seveas, it changes every time
[01:03] <ztonzy> who the heck is ^^furkan^^  ???
[01:03] <ThE__OnE> i dont think they wil change it every time
[01:04] <ThE__OnE> i reboot
[01:04] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, if you use dhcp, it changes all the time
[01:04] <Seveas> maybe windows kept the dhcp lease longer
[01:04] <pusling> ztonzy: probably someone with a homepage and images
[01:04] <Seveas> but the nature of dhcp is that you can get a different IP address all the time
[01:04] <ThE__OnE> dhcp?
[01:05] <ztonzy> pusling, posting link in PM to me in a language that is ALIEN to me
[01:05] <ThE__OnE> i dont use anyth9ing
[01:05] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, that's what you use when not using a fixed address...
[01:05] <ThE__OnE> ianm using a fixed address
[01:05] <ztonzy> lolita ? heh
[01:05] <ThE__OnE> i had the same addres for 2years
[01:05] <pusling> ztonzy: sure. I got sometning alike. and there is probably coming more in the next period of time.
[01:06] <ztonzy> pusling, spamming ?
[01:06] <Seveas> stupid kiddies...
[01:06] <pusling> ztonzy: look at all the joins/parts
[01:06] <ztonzy> uh
[01:08] <microhaxo> GUYS
[01:08] <microhaxo> i cant install wine
[01:08] <microhaxo> without installing libwine
[01:08] <Seveas> of course...
[01:08] <microhaxo> which i cant because in package manager it says that its a dummy file?
[01:09] <microhaxo> libwine:
[01:09] <microhaxo>  Depends: wine  but it is not installable
[01:09] <microhaxo> soo, can anyone give me the files so i can install or is there a way around this?
[01:09] <ThE__OnE> Seveas, do you haev an answer?
[01:10] <Seveas> microhaxo, libwine in the official ubuntu repos is ok
[01:10] <microhaxo> seveas
[01:10] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, i gave you an answer already...
[01:10] <microhaxo> i just pasted my error when trying to dload them?
[01:10] <microhaxo> libwine:
[01:10] <microhaxo>  Depends: wine  but it is not installable
[01:10] <Seveas> you use dhcp, so you can get it...
[01:10] <ThE__OnE> can it be something that Ubuntu does while looking up for internet that causes an ip change?
[01:10] <Seveas> microhaxo, have you enabled multiverse?
[01:10] <microhaxo> yes
[01:10] <microhaxo> universe and multiverse
[01:11] <Seveas> microhaxo, maybe you should disable backports...
[01:14] <microhaxo> seveas
[01:14] <microhaxo> that doesnt work?
[01:14] <Beredon> trying to install ubuntu 5.04 with vmware. all seems fine until the error "No partitionable media were found" when it attempts to partition the disk. any ideas?
[01:14] <microhaxo> wth do i do?
[01:15] <pusling> Seveas: what about mode -r again ?
[01:15] <Seveas> microhaxo, apt-get update after disabling backports
[01:15] <Sly86> micorhaxo is this all for flashfxp still ?
[01:15] <Seveas> pusling, i want to give it a few minutes...
[01:15] <pusling> Seveas: okay
[01:17] <microhaxo> seveas
[01:17] <microhaxo> dont work
[01:17] <microhaxo> at all
[01:18] <microhaxo> seveas
[01:18] <microhaxo> wth is goin on now, EVERY time i look at glxgears
[01:18] <Seveas> microhaxo, then you have done something weird...
[01:18] <microhaxo> now my drivers arnt loaded
[01:18] <microhaxo> WTF
[01:18] <ThE__OnE> how do i change pdfs from being oopen with Xpdf?
[01:18] <microhaxo> hmm
[01:18] <Seveas> microhaxo, try installing it, if a dependency fails, try installing that dependency with apt-get
[01:19] <Seveas> until you get a more clear error than 'is not installable'
[01:19] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, rightvlivk on a pdf, select properties...
[01:19] <microhaxo> seveas, my graphics are being weird
[01:19] <microhaxo> 2000fps in glxgears
[01:19] <microhaxo> this is what fglrxinfo shows
[01:19] <microhaxo> OpenGL vendor string: ATI Technologies Inc.
[01:19] <microhaxo> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON X800 XT Generic
[01:19] <microhaxo> OpenGL version string: 1.3.4769 (X4.3.0-8.8.25)
[01:19] <Seveas> microhaxo, that's a good score
[01:19] <microhaxo> thats bad
[01:19] <microhaxo> i was gettin 6000
[01:19] <microhaxo> 7425
[01:20] <microhaxo> was average
[01:20] <microhaxo> now i get 2000
[01:20] <microhaxo> ?
[01:20] <holycow> no
[01:20] <holycow> i bet you scaled up your glx gears window
[01:20] <microhaxo> err it looks the same to me?
[01:20] <Seveas> microhaxo, well, maybe you made the glxscreen bigger or had the window behind other windows...
[01:20] <holycow> change the size of the window and your rate will change
[01:21] <microhaxo> no
[01:21] <microhaxo> its the same
[01:21] <microhaxo> if i make it smaller than 64/64 i get 3000
[01:21] <microhaxo> somthing is wrong
[01:21] <microhaxo> b4 i got 7000
[01:21] <microhaxo> +
[01:22] <microhaxo> ontop of that
[01:22] <microhaxo> point2play says i dont have cedega installed?
[01:22] <microhaxo> wtf?
[01:22] <Sly86> microhaxo why would you be installing stuff such as that when you are trying to download windows to go back to it ?
[01:22] <microhaxo> this has been installed
[01:23] <microhaxo> and windows ant goin no where
[01:23] <microhaxo> cuz
[01:23] <microhaxo> i cant connect to the server to download windows
[01:23] <microhaxo> dammit
[01:23] <microhaxo> BECAUSE cedega wont load flashfxp
[01:23] <pusling> apt-get install windows
[01:23] <Sly86> gftp then
[01:23] <Sly86> haha @ pusling
[01:23] <holycow> wtf?
[01:23] <Seveas> microhaxo, use gftp/nautilus/other *linux* ftp tools
[01:23] <holycow> flashfxp?
[01:24] <Seveas> there are enough of them...
[01:24] <holycow> what the hell you need that for?
[01:24] <Seveas> and we do not support copyright infringment in here..
[01:24] <pusling> E: Couldn't find package windows
[01:25] <holycow> what Seveas said
[01:25] <microhaxo> seveas you mean the places connect one?
[01:26] <Seveas> microhaxo, there are lots of ftp tools for linux...
[01:26] <microhaxo> i need one that runs on x
[01:26] <Seveas> you can use firefox
[01:26] <microhaxo> lol
[01:26] <Seveas> or nautilus
[01:26] <microhaxo> i need
[01:26] <microhaxo> SECURE access
[01:26] <Seveas> konqueror...
[01:26] <Seveas> nautilus/konqueror can do that...
[01:26] <microhaxo> how?
[01:26] <Seveas> sigh
[01:26] <Seveas> i explained that 3 times yesterday...
[01:26] <Seveas> don't you ever listen?
[01:26] <microhaxo> no :|
[01:27] <_pax> Any Kontact users around? Kontact is getting annoying, asking for password every time I send or try to receive email. My pass is stored already, why does it keep asking?
[01:27] <Seveas> well, neither will I..
[01:27] <Seveas>  /ignore
[01:27] <Sly86> Ouch
[01:27] <unreal> nice, just booted up the livecd on my other box, had the computer literally own me at connect4 :/
[01:28] <Seveas> lol unreal :)
[01:28] <microhaxo> what the fk
[01:28] <microhaxo>  Seveas added to ignore list.
[01:28] <microhaxo> and i see him say lol unreal
[01:28] <unreal> maybe you need to add Seveas*!*@* instead
[01:28] <Sly> what i realy want to see is a network play frozen-bubble
[01:28] <xabbu|> omg
[01:28] <microhaxo> i did
[01:28] <Seveas> Sly, hehe :)
[01:29] <_pax> to ignore someone, just leave the room.
[01:29] <Sly> damn i installed kubuntu for friend the other day........... and i apt-get'd frozen-bubble befor other things
[01:29] <microhaxo> lol
[01:29] <unreal> (I keep typing ebuntu for some reason, almost got to the habit of typing ubuntu now, but maybe that's just another one of my retarded sides heh)
[01:30] <_pax> ebuntu,org just got registred, thanks for the idea.
[01:30] <_pax> Just kidding :)
[01:30] <_pax> Hey, no Kontact users?
[01:30] <Sly> right im outa here to go do real life things :) , take care
[01:30] <pusling> does anyone run ubuntu on anything? isn't ubuntu just a big hoax ? ;)
[01:31] <Seveas> pusling, sssssst :)
[01:31] <Sly-Away> microhaxo if i was you i would ask around all your friends for windows disk, because from what i have heard you talk about for the past hour or so, its what you realy want
[01:31] <Seveas> Don't let the minions of Gates find out ;)
[01:31] <_pax> hehe
[01:32] <Seveas> unreal, please don't
[01:32] <Seveas> that can get soooooo messy
[01:32] <unreal> lol
[01:33] <pusling> off for work
[01:35] <microhaxo> someone tell me how the hell i can connect to a ftp SECURELY via Konqueror?
[01:35] <microhaxo> i cant find any docs on google
[01:35] <pusling> ftp is not secure.
[01:36] <Seveas> sftp is :)
[01:36] <pusling> yeah... but that is different thing
[01:37] <londonboi2k3>  FTP is not a secure method for transfering files
[01:37] <londonboi2k3> according to http://www.ncl.ac.uk/iss/network/ftp/
[01:37] <siimo> microhaxo, sftp://username@server.com
[01:37] <rob^> microhaxo, you could via a vpn
[01:38] <chase> when i installed ubuntu it never gave me and apt repositorys. can someone tell me what the default are or point me to a web pages that has it?
[01:38] <rob^> or even with ipsec
[01:39] <Seveas> chase: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:39] <Seveas> chase: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[01:39] <rob^> chase, have you checked your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[01:39] <holycow> chase type in sudo apt-setup
[01:39] <londonboi2k3> this is good for repos http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[01:40] <chase> rob^, ye the only this in it deb cdrom:[Ubuntu 5.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407)] / hoary main restricted
[01:40] <rob^> ah
[01:40] <Seveas> londonboi2k3, ubuntuguide is bad, do not advise it...
[01:40] <rob^> well follow one of those links then
[01:40] <rob^> weard
[01:40] <rob^> Seveas, maybe, but at the moment its better organised
[01:40] <pusling> Seveas: why is ubuntuguide bad ?
[01:40] <londonboi2k3> When i use ubutu, (i dont anymore) as a new user i found it to be very good. :)
[01:40] <ru1812> hello
[01:41] <Seveas> pusling, misinformation, suboptimal to plain wrong solutions and no explanations at all...
[01:41] <Sly-Away> londonboi2k3 is it sunny down there ?
[01:41] <londonboi2k3> in fact i found it to be better then any other install guide for the other distros
[01:41] <londonboi2k3> not so much today
[01:41] <Seveas> londonboi2k3, the faq on the ubuntu site is much better
[01:41] <londonboi2k3> yesturday it was 34c
[01:42] <Sly-Away> im sat here with ALL windows/doors open and a fan pointing directly at me which im still sweating
[01:42] <londonboi2k3> Seveas: i cant comment on that guide, i sorta went back to debain not anyways ;)
[01:42] <pusling> and it is even hotter at work... and I need to go, but ;=
[01:42] <londonboi2k3> Sly: we have the air con on full here, but i would love a fan too! so bloody hot, wanna share you fan :)
[01:43] <Sly-Away> lol
[01:43] <ru1812> i found ubuntu good for new users and advanced
[01:43] <_pax> I found Ubuntu. period
[01:43] <londonboi2k3> grr, i keep forgetting the r in your..... Mental note to self remember your 'r's :)
[01:44] <unreal> heh, ubuntu is going to be good for new users, mainly because you just stick the disc in and have everything done for you :P
[01:44] <londonboi2k3> ubuntu is a great distro, but i did have one tiny problem with it! I could not play wma files
[01:44] <pusling> and ubuntu is good for advanced users becouse you stick in the disc, and all the basics works
[01:44] <londonboi2k3> that really did not annoy me too much tho
[01:44] <londonboi2k3> true
[01:44] <pusling> londonboi2k3: wma is evil
[01:44] <steob> everything done for you? ahh thats why I had to d/l  ALSA, frig around wif USB and still get garbled sound
[01:45] <synopsys> salve a tutti
[01:45] <londonboi2k3> yeah i know, but i could be be bothered to convert 2500+ songs
[01:45] <londonboi2k3> they were given to me by my partner who uses M$ windows
[01:45] <Seveas> londonboi2k3, with w32codecs wma works :)
[01:45] <kvidell> You have 2500+ wmas?
[01:45] <londonboi2k3> yeah, i know it should, but it dosent on my install, i tried 4 times, even with the xmms-wma deb
[01:45] <topyli> londonboi2k3: you can play wmas after installing the evil codec
[01:46] <kvidell> What kind of a sadistic prank was that? Did you smack the person who did that to you with a stick?
[01:46] <_pax> Ubuntu can't make coffee yet, how come!
[01:46] <kvidell> _pax: No, but I can :D
[01:46] <londonboi2k3> lol @ kvidell
[01:46] <kvidell> French Press ahoy
[01:46] <Seveas> the wma encoding is very good
[01:46] <topyli> _pax: install coffee.el to your emacs
[01:46] <_pax> Oui oui.
[01:46] <pusling> 2500+ wmas is even more evil. And if they are digital restriction management wma (DRM-wma) you have lost.
[01:46] <Seveas> the DRM and other crap that surround it aren't
[01:46] <londonboi2k3> no DRM on them :)
[01:47] <londonboi2k3> altho i did get sent some MP4's and they have loads of DRM so i cant play them atall
[01:47] <unreal> heh, I laughed a tiny bit when installing the latest FreeBSD release with a few packages... it didn't prioritize which to install first, it just went through the list.. forcing you to take out disc 1, put disc 2 in, then take out disc 2 and put disc 1 back in, several times... least ubuntu only has one disc so far :p
[01:47] <londonboi2k3> but only got 15 of those
[01:48] <londonboi2k3> why is it that mondays at work drag and go so damm slow
[01:48] <microhaxo> i cannot sftp to this server i get this error
[01:49] <microhaxo> Unknown error
[01:49] <microhaxo>  Error encountered while talking to ssh.
[01:49] <Sly-Away> londonboi be thankful your at work im off down job center in 30mins
[01:49] <londonboi2k3> @ microhaxo, does it have ssh setup to acess it securely via ftp? or how ever it is setup! do
[01:49] <londonboi2k3> ooooo, which part of london? north east south or west?
[01:50] <mindspin> Sly-Away ;-)
[01:50] <londonboi2k3> or you not from london
[01:50] <Sly-Away> nah, sheffield :)
[01:50] <londonboi2k3> oooo
[01:50] <londonboi2k3> :)
[01:50] <Sly-Away> all the way down that bigass m1
[01:50] <beavis> need help ......... regarding packages
[01:50] <londonboi2k3> hehe
[01:50] <Seveas> beavis, just state the problem
[01:50] <beavis> i want to upgrade my samba version to 3.14
[01:50] <beavis> but .. i cant see it on the packages list
[01:50] <beavis> of synaptic
[01:51] <londonboi2k3> well i went to the JC for 6 months before getting this job but the day i got this i was offered 3 at the same time! Just like waiting for a bus
[01:51] <topyli> beavis: what's in samba 3.14?
[01:51] <Seveas> beavis, 3.14 will never be added to Hoary, Hoary is stable..
[01:51] <beavis> i'm used to the one in VLOS where i can update the package list over the net
[01:51] <beavis> oh ...
[01:51] <beavis> well anyway .. here's another prob ...
[01:51] <Seveas> beavis, wait for breezy to stabilize and use that :)
[01:51] <beavis> i want it to be like windows ... wherein when i access a server over the network, ...
[01:52] <beavis> i can open the document file
[01:52] <beavis> i tried it .. but there seems to be an smb error
[01:52] <topyli> what sort of error?
[01:52] <mindspin> which?
[01:52] <beavis> hold on .. let me replicate the error again
[01:52] <mindspin> was does /var/log log.smbd say
[01:52] <Seveas> beavis, how are you accessing, via an smb:// url in nautilus or using smbmount?
[01:53] <Seveas> or are you serving..?
[01:53] <beavis> nautilus
[01:53] <topyli> fagbreaker
[01:53] <beavis> sorry, am used to windows so much i want to try this ubuntu .. i think it's kewl
[01:53] <beavis> but .. have no background on linux so i'd rather ask
[01:54] <mindspin> it works here very fine although I#m not used to windows...
[01:54] <Seveas> beavis, what is the error you get..?
[01:54] <beavis> file cannot be found
[01:55] <beavis> im connecting to a windows 2003 server
[01:55] <Seveas> beavis, try smb://ip-adress-of-the-server
[01:55] <vulcanoo> bonnjour
[01:55] <AMDXP> man its bad to fall asleep in chat
[01:55] <beavis> uhm ... ok .. will try now
[01:55] <Seveas> hello vulcanoo
[01:55] <wuhuu> hi
[01:55] <vulcanoo> hello why is there no icon when i install a app?
[01:55] <topyli> AMDXP: yeah, your snoring flooded the darn channel
[01:56] <Seveas> vulcanoo, because the package that the application came in did not define a menu entry...
[01:56] <Seveas> topyli: lol!
[01:56] <vulcanoo> ok so i have to use smeg?
[01:56] <Seveas> vulcanoo, that's a good option
[01:56] <topyli> vulcanoo: or maybe the menu just hasn't updated yet
[01:57] <wuhuu> I just switched form debian sid to ubuntu hoary but now my kdesu isn't working anymore it says: "Conversation with su failed" on debian sid everything worked fine... what could that be?
[01:57] <beavis> Seveas : ... here is the error .....
[01:57] <beavis> "Error Loading Document "
[01:57] <topyli> wuhuu: we don't use su
[01:57] <vulcanoo> thanks.But i thought that every app which is installed with a ubuntu package comes with a icon
[01:57] <_bambi> since i installed nvidia drivers to my new ubuntu, and changed the screen resolution to 1280x1024 @ 75Khz, there are some small graphic bugs, for example: clicking a small icon on my task bar produces normally a small jumping image of the program that is loading. For me, this jumping pics have an white background, but the background should be transparten
[01:57] <Seveas> vulcanoo, they are working on that
[01:58] <mindspin> wuhu ubuntu works with sudo
[01:58] <Seveas> console apps however eill never get an icon
[01:58] <Seveas> that would be pretty useless anyway :)
[01:58] <wuhuu> topyli, but i need it to configure kdm
[01:58] <beavis> "file:///home/beavis/smb://192.168.253.3/FileServ/it-shared/values.doc:/home/beavis/smb:/192.168.253.253.3/FileServ/IT-Shared/values.doc does not exist
[01:58] <mindspin> sudo kcontrol
[01:58] <Seveas> wuhuu, use plain sudo then...
[01:58] <vulcanoo> yes but i installed gribi
[01:58] <wuhuu> k
[01:58] <vulcanoo> grisbi
[01:58] <wuhuu> thx
[01:58] <topyli> wuhuu: use sudo in a terminal
[01:58] <beavis> Seveas: .. that's the entire error msg.
[01:58] <Seveas> beavis, ehm, you didn't try smb://ip-address as i said
[01:59] <Seveas> you just added it to a file:///home/neavis url
[01:59] <beavis> i tried it ...
[01:59] <beavis> used run applic ... then the nautilus popped up ...
[01:59] <vulcanoo> most apps i have installed: digikam en grisbi ->no icon
[01:59] <beavis> browsed to the file to open it
[01:59] <beavis> but this is the error
[01:59] <Seveas> beavis, try places -> connect to server (that's less easy to do wrong)
[02:00] <_bambi> hi
[02:00] <_bambi> i got a smaller probmel too
[02:00] <vulcanoo> bye
[02:00] <topyli> vulcanoo: not nearly all packages make those menu entries yet (except into the debian menu)
[02:00] <vulcanoo> ok thanks a lot.
[02:01] <_bambi> :)
[02:01] <_bambi> i got a small problem with my ubuntu
[02:01] <_bambi> and my nvidia drivers
[02:01] <londonboi2k3> what is your problem exactly?
[02:02] <_bambi> there are some small graphic bugs: When i click on an application, there is this small jumping pic, indicating that the app is loading. This Pictures have an White background for me
[02:02] <_bambi> but not straight white, some buggy background
[02:03] <Seveas> jumping pic..?
[02:03] <_bambi> picture
[02:03] <_bambi> small icon
[02:03] <Seveas> normally there are no jumping pictures on Ubuntu...
[02:03] <_bambi> well its kubuntu
[02:03] <mindspin> its kubuntu
[02:03] <Seveas> _bambi, try #kubuntu then :)
[02:03] <mindspin> hhaha
[02:03] <_bambi> Lol, i came from there :)
[02:04] <mindspin> lol
[02:04] <Seveas> hehe :)
[02:04] <holycow> Seveas, heh
[02:04] <holycow> you are going to get worn out
[02:04] <holycow> i think i understand why they are so grumpy in #debian
[02:04] <Seveas> holycow, why..?
[02:04] <londonboi2k3> whys that?
[02:04] <holycow> you've been answering the same question all night
[02:04] <Seveas> not really
[02:05] <londonboi2k3> hmm, maybe thats why i got banned for a month 2 years ago ;)
[02:05] <londonboi2k3> from #debian that is
[02:05] <holycow> hehe
[02:05] <Seveas> for all these over-and-over repeated things i have shortcuts :)
[02:05] <holycow> it's good to see enthusiasm :)
[02:05] <holycow> i got my 'smite those that don't google' 2x4 ready to go
[02:05] <holycow> :)
[02:06] <holycow> aka. the cluexfour
[02:06] <_bambi> is that a hint for me? should i rather google my problem?
[02:06] <holycow> no no, not at all
[02:06] <Seveas> _bambi, nono :)
[02:06] <_bambi> well i did, but i didn't find some solution :D
[02:06] <holycow> it just means i don't have the patience Seveas does :)
[02:06] <Seveas> I just don't use KDE, so I cannot help you
[02:06] <londonboi2k3> _bambi, maybe this is a problem with your nvidia card
[02:06] <Seveas> try the mailing list, there are more smart people over there
[02:07] <londonboi2k3> since you said you are having problems with that too
[02:07] <beavis> Seveas: Found out the error is due to open office ...
[02:07] <_bambi> Ah in fact its only this little problem
[02:07] <londonboi2k3> which is?
[02:07] <Danar> Seveas, i think he said the problem was with his nvidia drivers, not kde, so you might be able to help...
[02:07] <beavis> Seves: I tried opening a text file with gedit .. it opened in the original network location
[02:07] <beavis> Seveas: but when i tried it w/ open office 1.1.3 ... it had location error
[02:07] <londonboi2k3> problems with my ATI card cocked up lots om gnome for me till i fixed it :)
[02:08] <beavis> Seveas: How can i upgrade the open office ?
[02:08] <_bambi> The Problem is, that the jumping icons (you see when an application is loading) comes with an white buggy background, but they should be transparent
[02:08] <topyli> hmm. i thought openoffice would use gnomevfs
[02:08] <\sh> is there a tool for a desktop-background rotation?
[02:08] <londonboi2k3> ok we got that, but what is the little problem with your nvidia card?
[02:08] <Danar> _bambi, are you using the official drivers?
[02:09] <Seveas> beavis, a beta version of OO.o 2 is in the Universe repository
[02:09] <_bambi> i installed nvidia-glx
[02:09] <Seveas> beavis, but both do not understand the gnome-vfs, so this will not work
[02:09] <Danar> from where?
[02:09] <Seveas> you will have to mount the samba shares
[02:09] <londonboi2k3> and have you setup your xorg.conf file correctly?
[02:10] <londonboi2k3> assuming that you installed the correct nvidia drivers
[02:10] <Seveas> _bambi, have you run the command: nvidia-glx-enable
[02:10] <_bambi> i think so, cause now i even got the possibility to use my monitor @ 1280x1024, which was impossible before
[02:10] <beavis> Seveas: Can you please teach me how to download it on the repository ..
[02:10] <Danar> _bambi, did you have this problem with the previous drivers?
[02:10] <londonboi2k3> and is it using the "nv" drivers?
[02:10] <beavis> Seveas: I tried checking updates ... nothin'
[02:10] <microhaxo> whats the command to see 3d benchmark like glxgears
[02:10] <Seveas> beavis: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[02:10] <microhaxo> is it fglgears?
[02:10] <Seveas> beavis: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[02:11] <dmoyne> is-it safe to download KDE 3.4.1 ?
[02:11] <_bambi> Ich chose nv drivers, but didn't experience the problem before
[02:11] <Seveas> dmoyne, downloading it will not hurt ;)
[02:11] <_bambi> I chose nv drivers, but didn't experience the problem before
[02:12] <dmoyne> not sure as sometimes it can put the mess especially with NOT AUTHENTICATED packages !
[02:12] <Seveas> dmoyne, well, that's be installing :)
[02:12] <Seveas> and I wouldn't install KDE from anything but official ubuntu repositories if i were you..
[02:12] <_bambi> i had to reconfigure the xserver, because before it only offered 1024x768 for screen resolution, so i installed the nvidia-glx and reconfigured xserver
[02:12] <londonboi2k3> fglx_gears i think micro
[02:13] <dmoyne>  Seveas, wahtdo you mean : have you installed it ?
[02:13] <Seveas> dmoyne, no, I don't like KDE :)
[02:13] <Danar> _bambi, so maybe they're not installed properly or something
[02:13] <_bambi> this maybe, but how can i check this?
[02:13] <Seveas> but since KDE is one of the most important parts of your desktop, never install it from backports or such...
[02:14] <new2gentoo> has anyone seen this? http://www.debianpure.com? i wonder why this did not happen sooner
[02:14] <dmoyne> ok I think I will wait for the packages be proposed on typical repositries !
[02:15] <topyli> new2gentoo: nice wallpaper on the gnome screenshot
[02:15] <holycow> not new user friendly?
[02:16] <holycow> thats just crap
[02:23] <microhaxo> bo that dont work
[02:23] <microhaxo> fglx_gears
[02:23] <microhaxo> :|
[02:23] <ThE__OnE> is it possible to browse through the pictures in a folder with the arrow keys instead of opening each seperate one?
[02:24] <topyli> graungaard: that must be the longest hostnames i've seen in a while :)
[02:26] <beavis> Seveas: Have trouble updating repository .. can you just give me the URL
[02:27] <Danar> repository urls are here: paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[02:29] <beavis> tnx i'll check it out first
[02:29] <beavis> wish me luck
[02:29] <beavis> :))
[02:29] <new2gentoo> ThE__OnE, try page up/down
[02:30] <microhaxo> guys
[02:30] <microhaxo> how do i change this?
[02:30] <microhaxo> GL_RENDERER: Mesa GLX Indirect
[02:30] <microhaxo> i want it to be ati
[02:31] <microhaxo> ET says im using MESA software but fglrxinfo says ATI>?
[02:33] <GNULinuxer> welcome _eXoDuS
[02:33] <_eXoDuS> now, shit, since when did mplayer start depending on xmms??? I wasn't informed about it, this is lame!
[02:33] <Seveas> _eXoDuS, it does not...
[02:33] <_eXoDuS> try apt-get install mplayer-686 in hoary
[02:34] <Seveas> and please watch your language...
[02:34] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> we need to be cool with  noobs
[02:35] <Seveas> _eXoDuS, i stand corrected...
[02:35] <_eXoDuS> Seveas: lame isnt it?
[02:35] <Seveas> I still use an old one from marillat though :)
[02:35] <_eXoDuS> ah :)
[02:35] <_eXoDuS> sorry i just apt-get upgraded from sid to hoary to try it out, and that really bited me
[02:36] <Seveas> I can imagine..
[02:36] <ThE__OnE> is it possible to browse through the pictures in a folder with the arrow keys instead of opening each seperate one?
[02:36] <_eXoDuS> that should be fixed sincerely
[02:36] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, you can use eog
[02:36] <_eXoDuS> mplayer doesn't depend on xmms at all
[02:36] <ThE__OnE> eog?
[02:36] <Seveas> _eXoDuS, file a bug then :)
[02:36] <_eXoDuS> Seveas: ugh :)
[02:36] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, try eog *.jpg
[02:36] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> which component of xmms can mplayer *possibly* use?
[02:36] <cmihai> Hmf, no sshd in a default Ubuntu install ?!
[02:36] <_eXoDuS> Seveas: where?
[02:36] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, i wouldn't know
[02:36] <Seveas> maybe mp3 decoding..?
[02:36] <_eXoDuS> GNULinuxer: none ,really, in sid it doesn't depend on mplayer at all
[02:36] <_eXoDuS> err
[02:36] <_eXoDuS> on xmms
[02:36] <Seveas> _eXoDuS, bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[02:36] <GNULinuxer> cmihai> it's in the CD
[02:37] <_eXoDuS> Seveas: ok ill do that, thanks
[02:37] <cmihai> GNULinuxer: is it ?
[02:37] <cmihai> Well, didn't install it by default from what I can see
[02:37] <Seveas> cmihai, correct
[02:37] <GNULinuxer> cmihai> yeah ... but it is not installed by default
[02:37] <ThE__OnE> from the terminal?
[02:37] <_eXoDuS> Seveas: also, not to be an ass, but who thought that closing spatial windows when opening new ones was a good idea?? :/
[02:37] <cmihai> Grr, that's crap.
[02:37] <Seveas> the Ubuntu policy is to install no services by default
[02:37] <Seveas> cmihai, no it's good :)
[02:37] <GNULinuxer> cmihai> when you try to apt-get it, it'll ask for the cd
[02:37] <microhaxo> how do i  change my i686 kernel from 2.6.7-13 to 2.6.8-1.
[02:37] <microhaxo> ?
[02:38] <Seveas> _eXoDuS, there have been very long discussions about it
[02:38] <Seveas> you can disable that behaviour in gconf
[02:38] <_eXoDuS> yes i know
[02:38] <cmihai> Yea, now it's only a matter of "where the hell did I put the CDROM".
[02:38] <Seveas> I didn't like that behaviour too
[02:38] <_eXoDuS> i found the key after looking for a lil bit
[02:38] <Seveas> cmihai, you can install it from the net too :)
[02:38] <_eXoDuS> but i think it's very lame, just use browser mode if you dont like spatial
[02:38] <topyli> yeah. who killed spatial!
[02:38] <_eXoDuS> but that is like a limited browser mode
[02:38] <_eXoDuS> no way to go back (if not for the lower left menu)
[02:39] <Seveas> :)
[02:39] <trashman> hiall
[02:40] <cazabam> blimey, 2 seconds on the channel and I recognise spatial nautilus discussion :)
[02:40] <_eXoDuS> Seveas: i really hope they change that behaviour in the future
[02:40] <Seveas> Oh and if anyone wants a rationale for why i muted microhaxo (just for the logs): he's being a pain in the ass, never listening to suggestions and generally trolling
[02:40] <_eXoDuS> Seveas: ah, i was wondering ;)
[02:40] <Seveas> _eXoDuS, lots of people do, lots of people don't
[02:40] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> thanks for the explanation
[02:40] <micro> this is bullshit
[02:40] <micro> dont fucking QUIETME
[02:40] <GNULinuxer> hardocp> don't troll
[02:41] <_eXoDuS> Seveas: well done :p
[02:42] <trashman> Iam using alsa drivers for my sound card ,but when Im watching a video it doesnt syncronize with the sound.Are there other drivers I can use?
[02:42] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, i think that microhaxo disagrees with you :)
[02:42] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> lol
[02:42] <cazabam> trashman: it's unlikely that the alsa drivers are the problem
[02:42] <_root_> anybody got patch to http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2005-1111 issue ?
[02:42] <cazabam> trashman: what video player(s) have you tried?
[02:42] <Seveas> trashman, try another media player, usually it's the media player that causes these things
[02:43] <Seveas> _root_, it's still a CVE under investigation...
[02:43] <trashman> seveas :I used mplayer,gmplayer,xine,gxine,totem...
[02:43] <Seveas> _root_, keep an eye on the security mailing list
[02:43] <Seveas> trashman, hmm...
[02:44] <Seveas> does it happen with all video formats?
[02:44] <trashman> seveas :yes,even with dvds
[02:44] <_root_> Severas: i am checking on some.. could you suggest a good one
[02:44] <Seveas> _root_, I meant the ubuntu-security list :)
[02:44] <Seveas> that's where ubuntu security notices are announced
[02:45] <_root_> Seveas : it would be nice if you give the complete link
[02:45] <Seveas> trashman, which one goes faster..?
[02:45] <_eXoDuS> Seveas: mmm, bugzilla keeps telling me i should select a component, if not just guess... what is it talking about??
[02:45] <Seveas> _root_, lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo
[02:45] <_root_> Seveas : thanx
[02:45] <Seveas> _eXoDuS, ehm ,disregard my advise
[02:46] <Seveas> _eXhumed, unuverse/multiverse bugs should go to malone
[02:46] <Seveas> launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone iirc
[02:46] <_eXoDuS> oh, didnt notice mplayer was on universe
[02:46] <Seveas> it's in multiverse
[02:46] <_eXoDuS> in multi?
[02:46] <_eXoDuS> mmm
[02:47] <Seveas> yeah, it's non-free like software (mp3 related badnesses)
[02:47] <Seveas> wow
[02:47] <Seveas> split splat
[02:47] <topyli> heh
[02:49] <Danar> 'mp3 related badness'?
[02:49] <topyli> sometimes i wonder how freenode channels stay up at all
[02:49] <_eXoDuS> Seveas: done
[02:50] <Seveas> _eXoDuS, excellent
[02:50] <Danar> Seveas, 'mp3 related badness'?
[02:50] <_eXoDuS> =] 
[02:50] <topyli> Danar: nobody knows the exact legal status of mplayer. no-one can be bothered to spend the three years in court
[02:50] <_eXoDuS> Danar: anything non free is called badness :)
[02:50] <Seveas> Danar, mp3 is tricky business regarding patents
[02:50] <_eXoDuS> Danar: and mp3's licensing future is uncertain
[02:50] <Seveas> so there are mists of non-freeness lingering around lots of mp3 related software
[02:50] <Danar> i had the impression mp3 was open :/
[02:50] <_eXoDuS> no, not a bit
[02:50] <Seveas> Danar, wrong impression :)
[02:51] <Danar> yeah... now i remember
[02:51] <Danar> bah
[02:51] <topyli> it's as evil as they come
[02:51] <Danar> o.O
[02:51] <_eXoDuS> Seveas: i feel dirty installing xmms for mplayer :/
[02:51] <Danar> hrm, is mp32ogg considered badness?
[02:52] <Danar> since it can obviously deal with mp3s...
[02:52] <james> I am trying to transcode some ShowShifter video files into another format. I've been told gstreamer is the tool for this; when I use gst-launch, I get the error "Could not determine type of stream". Any ideas?
[02:52] <_eXoDuS> Danar: most likely yes
[02:52] <Danar> but it just converts them
[02:52] <topyli> it's considered penance :)
[02:52] <cazabam> maybe mp32ogg is just transient badness...
[02:52] <Danar> o.O
[02:52] <cazabam> a pergatory of media formats :)
[02:53] <topyli> i wonder if the evil travels from mp3 to ogg through the conversion
[02:53] <Seveas> topyli, lol :)
[02:53] <Danar> it just converts mp3 to ogg... it oughtta be 'non-bad'
[02:53] <Danar> topyli, lol
[02:53] <topyli> it just might guys! ;)
[02:53] <cazabam> don't let the mpaa hear that...
[02:53] <Danar> you mean the riaa :p
[02:54] <cazabam> yess....
[02:54] <cazabam> I don't want no tainted oggs!
[02:54] <james> Can anyone help me with my video transcoding?
[02:55] <Danar> my oggs are tainted... (assuming they still exist :()
[02:55] <topyli> james: speak of the devil :)
[02:56] <cazabam> from the mp32ogg page: " THIS DEGRADES THE QUALITY, because it goes from one lossy format to another"
[02:56] <topyli> yes
[02:56] <cazabam> the evil eats away the goodness of the ogg!
[02:56] <james> topyli, can you help me? :)
[02:56] <Danar> yeh, but there were only a few songs where i noticed any degradation
[02:56] <topyli> james: sorry, i haven't transcoded a video in my life
[02:56] <Danar> and you can set it on the highest quality...
[02:57] <topyli> flac!
[02:57] <cazabam> I encode(d) my mp3s to 320kbit, so they should be great
[02:57] <ernesto_> hi ppl... i have a problem at my Add/Remove Applications Control Panel... When  I call it, the window opens and it loads, loads, loads... but never shows nothing... someone know how to fix or reinstall it  ?
[02:57] <Danar> that would make them huge though
[02:57] <cazabam> flac is like 33rpm vynil
[02:58] <Danar> uh, ernesto_ , this is an #ubuntu channel, not a windows channel :p
[02:58] <cazabam> 3 times bigger but better quality (arguable :))
[02:58] <ThE__OnE> where can i get themes for ubuntu?
[02:58] <cazabam> danar: hoary has an add/remove programs applet in the programs->system menu
[02:58] <ThE__OnE> can i jsut search google for "linux themes"?
[02:58] <Seveas> ernesto_, that application should not be used, try System->administration->package manager instead
[02:58] <topyli> Danar: flacs are big, yes
[02:58] <cazabam> danar: unless you knew that, in which case ignore me :)
[02:58] <james> topyli, okay thanks anyway
[02:58] <james> I'll post my problem
[02:58] <james> I am trying to transcode some ShowShifter video files into another format. I've been told gstreamer is the tool for this; when I use gst-launch, I get the error "Could not determine type of stream". Any ideas?
[02:59] <ernesto_> Danar, but it's happening at my   UBUNTU!!!!
[02:59] <Danar> ah, i see
[02:59] <topyli> ThE__OnE: for gnome, http://gnome-look.org and http://art.gnome.org
[02:59] <Danar> system tools > add/remove
[02:59] <ThE__OnE> thanks you
[03:00] <cazabam> ernesto danar: yep - that one's a bit weird though - I have had it fail when synaptic is fine...
[03:00] <Danar> there ought to be themes in the repository
[03:00] <topyli> there are some
[03:00] <Danar> heh, clicking advanced opens synaptic
[03:00] <ThE__OnE> topyli, so i can get any theme as long as its for gnome?
[03:01] <topyli> ThE__OnE: yeah
[03:01] <ernesto_> Seveas: i know about other ways to install/uninstall programs but it was working fine until yesterday...
[03:01] <ThE__OnE> ok
[03:01] <james> Does anyone know anything about gstreamer?
[03:01] <ernesto_> I simply dont want a part of my software bugged...
[03:02] <Seveas> ernesto_, perhaps you have installed an updated version of pygtk related things...
[03:02] <Danar> ernesto_, might be better off using synaptic
[03:02] <cazabam> james: not sure that gstreamer supports showshifter?
[03:03] <Danar> ernesto_, in gnome, System > Administration > Synaptic
[03:03] <ernesto_> seveas, probably you are right... the problem appeared after an update
[03:03] <Seveas> :)
[03:03] <cazabam> james: needs a plugin for each supported format or decoding library - google turns up blank
[03:03] <Seveas> ernesto_, are you using backports/other unofficial repositories or smeg?
[03:04] <james> cazabam: Thanks. Is there a tool to figure out the encoded audio and video layers for GNU/Linux?
[03:04] <Wimpie> I need to recompile the kernel because of swsusp.  I installed 2.6.11 package but patch on suspend2 site is not very good.
[03:04] <cazabam> james: transcode is probably your best bet, but it's a pain to install
[03:04] <ernesto_> seveas, yes... i have used unnoficial repositories... i changed my repositories list
[03:04] <Wimpie> is there an 2.6.11-xxx package ? and where can I find which packages for 2.6.11 are available ?
[03:05] <Seveas> ernesto_, that has probably caused this bug to appear
[03:05] <ernesto_> are ther a solution for it  ?
[03:05] <cazabam> james: hmmm... according to the showshifter website it uses MJPEG and/or DIVX...
[03:05] <Danar> ernesto_, file a bug report, use synaptic until it's updated with a fix :p
[03:05] <cazabam> james: try mplayer - if that supports it, then transcode can use mplayer as a decoding filter :)
[03:06] <ernesto_> ok
[03:06] <ThE__OnE> i dont know what they call it, but once i saw a video of a wallpaper moving, any ideas on what it is called?
[03:06] <Seveas> Danar, it's NOTABUG, it's due to using unofficial repositories...
[03:06] <Seveas> ernesto_, so better not file a bug :)
[03:06] <Danar> Seveas, woops. missed that
[03:06] <topyli> ThE__OnE: "the naked lunch"
[03:06] <james> cazabam: Thanks so much! I'll try mplayer now.
[03:06] <Danar> when did "NOTABUG" become a word? :p
[03:07] <topyli> Danar: once we stopped fixing them :)
[03:07] <ernesto_> Dana: once I started Synaptic how can i turn it off as you suggested ?
[03:07] <Danar> :O
[03:07] <HrdwrBoB> topyli: that movie is ... bizarre
[03:07] <Danar> ernesto_, turn what off?
[03:07] <ThE__OnE> the naked lunch?
[03:07] <topyli> HrdwrBoB: sure is
[03:08] <topyli> ThE__OnE: oh, i'm referring to your "moving wallpaper" thing :)
[03:08] <chx> I have a APC SmartUPS , I start apcd  , it starts and after a few seconds it dies. no log is made.
[03:08] <ernesto_> Danar, i think i didnt understand what you said....
[03:09] <Danar> ernesto_, which part?
[03:09] <james> How do I install mplayer on Ubuntu? I couldn't find it with apt-cache or in the Synaptic Package Manager.
[03:09] <ThE__OnE> yuo think i was making this up?
[03:09] <londonboi2k3> its in the universe repo me thinks
[03:09] <Danar> james, need the multiverse repository i think
[03:09] <topyli> ThE__OnE: no. it's just i haven't seen anything like that.
[03:09] <Seveas> james, you need to enable multiverse
[03:09] <londonboi2k3> or multiverse
[03:09] <kong0> when i install some software (azureus p2p client) i says pakage not found...i has worked b4...
[03:09] <james> Danar, where do I add that?
[03:09] <londonboi2k3> :)
[03:09] <kong0> what could be wrong?
[03:10] <Seveas> kong0, azureus is not available in the ubuntu repositories
[03:10] <Danar> paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[03:10] <kong0> i was yesterday....
[03:10] <Danar> james, ^ there's the lists to add to your sources.list
[03:10] <londonboi2k3> I know you guys dont like it BUT http://ubuntuguide.org/ for installing more software!
[03:10] <x3ja> Anyone got ubuntu to get updates through a MS ISA Server Web Proxy?
[03:10] <ThE__OnE> i will show you the link to the video when my friends wakes up
[03:10] <james> Seveas, how do I enable multiverse? I tried selecting each repository from the Settings dialog and then clicking OK. It seemed to add them. How do I get the multiverse one though?
[03:10] <topyli> ThE__OnE: http://www.wallpaperbase.com/animated.shtml
[03:11] <Seveas> james: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:11] <Seveas> james: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[03:11] <londonboi2k3> James, look at the link i just posted, it will tell you
[03:11] <kong0> its very weird cause it should be able to find azureus or else it wouldn't be posted on ubuntuguide...
[03:11] <Seveas> kong0, ubuntuguide is bad
[03:11] <ernesto_> Danar, you said  "ernesto_, might be better off using synaptic"
[03:11] <ThE__OnE> that can be it topyli
[03:11] <cazabam> kong0: I installed azureus from the repository list in ubuntuguide last week
[03:11] <Seveas> kong0, and maybe azureus is in the backports...
[03:11] <ThE__OnE> i dunt know
[03:11] <james> Seveas and londonboi2k3: Many thanks!
[03:11] <londonboi2k3> I disagree seveas ;)
[03:12] <Danar> ernesto_, yeah, it's the package manager. use it instead
[03:12] <londonboi2k3> welcome james
[03:12] <x3ja> Anyone got ubuntu to get updates through an authenticating MS ISA Server Web Proxy?  If so... please tell me how :S
[03:12] <topyli> ThE__OnE: i doubt that works on gnome
[03:12] <cazabam> seveas: yes, it is indeed in the backports
[03:12] <Danar> ernesto_, i told you where it is
[03:12] <Seveas> x3ja: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[03:12] <Danar> ernesto_, in gnome, System > Administration > Synaptic
[03:12] <kong0> no i dont think so because i downloaded it yesterday but i reformated 2day and now it cant find it...
[03:13] <Danar> kong0, lemme get this straight, you installed something, reformatted, and now wondering where it went?
[03:13] <x3ja> Seveas: sorry, was trying to be a bit more explicit second time round so people wouldn't just reply "yes" or "no"...
[03:13] <Danar> *now you're
[03:13] <cazabam> kong0: hmmm... no, it's in backports universe
[03:13] <ernesto_> Danar, ok. now it understood. thanks
[03:13] <kong0> LOL i dont know why but its my fault...
[03:14] <black13> is anyone familer with xwrapper
[03:14] <kong0> I cant find ANY pakage...
[03:14] <_eXoDuS> kong0: azureus is in backports
[03:14] <kong0> not mplayer azureus nothing
[03:14] <londonboi2k3> apt-get update maybe ;) if your repos are set up correct
[03:14] <_eXoDuS> kong0: mplayer is in multiverse
[03:14] <cazabam> kong0: in that case you're sources.list hasn't got backports in it :)
[03:14] <kong0> i have nothing to update...
[03:14] <cazabam> kong0: get the sources from ubuntuguide, it's a start even if everyone hates it :)
[03:15] <kong0> how do i fix that then?
[03:15] <_eXoDuS> kong0: you have to add backports and multiverse to your sources
[03:15] <Danar> kong0, surely you can install some... you prolly just can't install stuff from the universe/multiverse repositories
[03:15] <kong0> prob...
[03:15] <londonboi2k3> what error do you get exactly?
[03:15] <kong0> i remember installing universe multiverse but dont know how
[03:15] <kong0> changing the txt
[03:16] <Danar> in synaptic, click Settings > Repositories > Add > check universe & multiverse. reload
[03:16] <kong0> ahh lame...how am i supposed to find out how i can get universe multiverse man?
[03:17] <Danar> kong0, i just told you how
[03:17] <Seveas> kong0: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:18] <kong0> danar u havent told me ANYthing...
[03:18] <Danar> "in synaptic, click Settings > Repositories > Add > check universe & multiverse. reload"
[03:18] <finlaylabs> whats wrong with "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"?
[03:19] <Danar> kong0, or check the link Seveas gave
[03:19] <RenZ> lo'
[03:19] <bob2> kong0: please don't ignore people helping you, two seperate people have told you how to fix it
[03:19] <ablyss> here'a problem i ran into: I ./configured ; make ; make installed wine... but now synaptic is having a problems. Synaptic says there is a newer version for download, and after downloading syanpitc says it's installed, but when I open Terminal and type wine --version i get my old version
[03:20] <Seveas> ablyss, then remove your older version...
[03:20] <bob2> ablyss: that's not a proble,, it just means you have your old wone in your path before the new one
[03:20] <Danar> ablyss, prolly installed to a different location. remove the old one
[03:20] <bob2> ablyss: get rid of the one you don't want
[03:20] <ablyss> k
[03:21] <ThE__OnE> where is the firefox folder located at?
[03:21] <Danar> which one?
[03:21] <ablyss> i better unstall the synaptic version with synaptic to aviod any brokwn packages
[03:21] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, dpkg -L mozilla-firefox
[03:22] <_eXoDuS> is gksu broken for anyone else? I have the same problem in sid which is funny
[03:22] <kong0> lol that guide was strange
[03:22] <ThE__OnE> where is the firefox plugins folder located at?
[03:22] <ThE__OnE> srry
[03:22] <chrissturm> how would i use imagemagick to generate thunbnails for a directory full of jpgs?
[03:22] <Danar> ThE__OnE, dpkg -L mozilla-firefox | grep -i plugin
[03:23] <Danar> ThE__OnE, prolly /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins
[03:23] <kong0> can u give me the site again?
[03:23] <kong0> the one who gave it to me
[03:23] <londonboi2k3> scroll up
[03:23] <ThE__OnE> ya
[03:23] <ThE__OnE> thx
[03:24] <kong0> i just logge din
[03:24] <Danar> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:24] <james> What's the difference between mplayer-586, mplayer-k6 and mplayer-custom?
[03:24] <u19809> what is the best 'process' to compile a kernel using ubuntu packages ?
[03:24] <cazabam> chrissturm: for name in *.jpg; do convert $f -scale 100x100 ${f/.jpg/_thumb.jpg}; done
[03:24] <kong0> well
[03:24] <bob2> u19809: not doing it at all, if at all possible
[03:24] <Di42lo`> What is the Terminal service at windows...in linux ?
[03:24] <knucks> whats the command to shutdown the pc on ubuntu?
[03:24] <londonboi2k3> optimised for you type of processor
[03:24] <bob2> u19809: if you really need to, use make-kpkg
[03:24] <bob2> knucks: shutdown -h now
[03:24] <londonboi2k3> if you have a pentium use 586
[03:24] <u19809> bob2 : yes but I need swsusp
[03:24] <knucks> i want to set a timer
[03:24] <cazabam> chrissturm: where 100x100 replaced with dimensions you really want - it will maintain aspect, don't worry about that :)
[03:24] <bob2> Di42lo`: X is natively a network protocol
[03:24] <kong0> what was the site for man of universe multiverse!?
[03:25] <bob2> u19809: which the ubuntu kernels include
[03:25] <chrissturm> cazabam: thx a lot
[03:25] <knucks> is it possible to shutdown my pc in 2 hrs after i leave today
[03:25] <knucks> so at like 12pm
[03:25] <cazabam> chrissturm: k
[03:25] <finlaylabs> on "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" I get "xserver-xorg is not installed". This aint normal right?
[03:25] <bob2> knucks: man shutdown, it explains how
[03:25] <justin> cazabam: name isn't the same thing as f
[03:25] <Di42lo`> bob2: do you know of any program ?
[03:25] <u19809> bob2 : sure ?
[03:25] <bob2> finlaylabs: are you on warty?
[03:25] <bob2> Di42lo`: I don't know what your question is
[03:25] <londonboi2k3> did you get that james?
[03:25] <bob2> u19809: yes
[03:25] <bob2> u19809: in hoary, anyway
[03:25] <Danar> kong0, why do you consistently ignore me?
[03:25] <kong0> ignored 100%
[03:25] <james> londonboi2k3, Yes thanks
[03:25] <finlaylabs> bob2:no, hoary.
[03:25] <Di42lo`> bob2: im looking for "terminal service client" for linux
[03:25] <spanglesontoast> there a way of getting amiga running on ubuntu?
[03:25] <kong0> danar u havent even written to me ffs
[03:26] <james> londonboi2k3: I have an Athlon XP-M processor. Which should I choose?
[03:26] <bob2> kong0: if you don't stop being so obnoxious, you will be removed
[03:26] <knucks> thx
[03:26] <u19809> bob2 : how can I get it to work using hoary ?
[03:26] <bob2> Di42lo`: rdesktop, iirc
[03:26] <Danar> kong0, point made. i have indeed.
[03:26] <Akrame> hi all , please i need help ,i've installed a hoary base system , and i want to install X , so i type apt-get install xserver-xorg , but X is still not install , because i don't have any startx on my /etc/X11
[03:26] <kong0> wth is this!? im going windoes
[03:26] <finlaylabs> bob2: but it is a slower, lower-memory machine
[03:26] <Danar> kong0 i just logge din
[03:26] <Danar> Danar http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:26] <bob2> finlaylabs: then you should have x.org, yes
[03:26] <londonboi2k3> hmm, im not 100& certain, I guess it would be the K6.
[03:26] <spanglesontoast> there a way of getting amiga running on ubuntu?
[03:26] <james> londonboi2k3: Okay thanks. What's the "custom" one for?
[03:26] <londonboi2k3> but i have never used athlon
[03:26] <cazabam> kong0 is not a happy bunny :-/
[03:26] <bob2> u19809: sudo /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh
[03:27] <londonboi2k3> never used it im afraid :)
[03:27] <Danar> cazabam, that's is own fault
[03:27] <Akrame> hi all , please i need help ,i've installed a hoary base system , and i want to install X , so i type apt-get install xserver-xorg , but X is still not install , because i don't have any startx on my /etc/X11
[03:27] <Danar> *his
[03:27] <bob2> Akrame: so, install ubuntu-desktop
[03:27] <spanglesontoast> anyone know much about amiga?
[03:27] <cazabam> danar: yep, you've got that right ...
[03:27] <james> londonboi2k3: Just an Intel guy, huh?
[03:27] <bob2> spanglesontoast: try #amiga or such
[03:27] <ernesto_> Danar and Seveas: i was looking for an unofficial package installed that could have something to the bug... but i could not find nothing obvious...
[03:27] <cazabam> danar: straaaange...
[03:27] <finlaylabs> bob2: this is my first ubuntu try. Is there a command using apt-get or whatever to install xserver-xorg?
[03:27] <londonboi2k3> yep thats me, forced, not by choice :(
[03:28] <bob2> finlaylabs: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg
[03:28] <james> londonboi2k3: How so?
[03:28] <_eXoDuS> bob2: apt-get install x-window-system
[03:28] <Danar> ernesto_, did you remove unofficial repositories?
[03:28] <londonboi2k3> It was a xmas gift
[03:28] <_eXoDuS> err
[03:28] <_eXoDuS> bob2: not for you :p
[03:28] <bob2> finlaylabs: I can't imagine how you could end up with out it, tho, unless you did somehting silly like use the expert install mode
[03:28] <ernesto_> Danar4: no
[03:28] <_eXoDuS> finlaylabs: apt-get install x-window-system
[03:28] <londonboi2k3> so i did not get to choose! can you imagine an xmas gift at 24 :)
[03:28] <Akrame> bob2 , no it will install gnome
[03:28] <londonboi2k3> my old pc died on mee
[03:28] <james> londonboi2k3: Wow!
[03:28] <Akrame> and i don't want gnome
[03:28] <Danar> ernesto_, after that, reload the package info, and reinstall pygtk
[03:28] <Danar> Akrame, so use kubuntu
[03:28] <bob2> Akrame: so...
[03:28] <james> londonboi2k3: With your next PC, will you go AMD or Intel?
[03:29] <Akrame> i want enlighetement
[03:29] <bob2> haha
[03:29] <londonboi2k3> I want an AMD 64 ;)
[03:29] <james> londonboi2k3: I figured out that it can't be the K6 version because Athlon processors are seventh-generation.
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:29] <_eXoDuS> Akrame: at least you could learn how to spell it
[03:29] <pete> anyone using ubuntu on a G4 powerbook?
[03:29] <londonboi2k3> prob in a few months time
[03:29] <james> londonboi2k3: Good choice ;)
[03:29] <londonboi2k3> is there not a K7 there
[03:29] <pete> i've got sound working but it's way low
[03:29] <Danar> Akrame, so apt-get install enlightenment
[03:29] <james> No but they stopped using the K(number) format when it got to Athlons
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> akrame, do a custom install?
[03:29] <Danar> Akrame, or meditate :p
[03:30] <londonboi2k3> so you only have the chocice of the 3? K6 586 and custom?
[03:30] <Danar> londonboi2k3, there's more than that
[03:30] <james> Danar: Is there? Where?
[03:30] <james> Danar: I have all the extra repositories added.
[03:30] <ThE__OnE> mojojojo@BaD:~$ cd ~/desktop
[03:30] <ThE__OnE> bash: cd: /home/mojojojo/desktop: No such file or directory
[03:30] <londonboi2k3> I thought there should be, try apt-get install mplayer-k7 i think
[03:30] <ThE__OnE> why does it say that?
[03:31] <londonboi2k3> its been ages since i install mplayer
[03:31] <Danar> mplayer-386, mplayer-586, mplayer-686, mplayer-custom, mplayer-k6, mplayer-k7, mplayer-nogui
[03:31] <james> ThE__OnE: the desktop folder is capitalized, i.e. Desktop
[03:31] <ThE__OnE> oh
[03:31] <Danar> james, apparently not, cause those are showing for me
[03:31] <james> Danar: okay thanks
[03:31] <chrissturm> cazabam: i now get this: convert: option requires an argument `-scale'.
[03:31] <finlaylabs> bob2, _eXoDuS: long story. messy install. think I will have to run it again :-\
[03:31] <james> ThE))OnE: You're not mOjOjOjO are you?
[03:32] <_eXoDuS> finlaylabs: apt-get install x-window-system should give you what you want though, no need to reinstall
[03:32] <Danar> james, you know, there's tab-completion...
[03:32] <_eXoDuS> finlaylabs: also install ubuntu-desktop, it will install most of the desktop stuff you need
[03:32] <james> Danar: Tab completion in what?
[03:32] <londonboi2k3> in the command line
[03:32] <james> Danar, oh thanks!
[03:32] <Danar> james, in irc. type the first few chars of a name, and hit TAB
[03:33] <Danar> np
[03:33] <james> yeah similar to Bash
[03:33] <james> I < linux
[03:33] <ThE__OnE> james, why?
[03:33] <james> because are you from platform2?
[03:33] <Danar> you are less than linux? :p
[03:33] <james> LOL thanks Danar
[03:33] <Danar> np
[03:33] <james> but I'm more than Winblows
[03:33] <Danar> hehe
[03:33] <finlaylabs> _eXoDuS: it would appear my apt-get also has a problem. apt-get update doesnt solve it either. Cant find packages.
[03:34] <finlaylabs> _eXoDuS: did I mention veeeery messy?
[03:34] <_eXoDuS> finlaylabs: is your /etc/apt/sources.list empty?
[03:34] <Danar> finlaylabs, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:34] <_eXoDuS> Danar: he's trying to install xorg, don't need additional ones for that ;)
[03:34] <Danar> oh
[03:34] <dockane> anybody inhere with experience with vuescan (commercial closed source scan softrware, probably the best for linux) ?
[03:35] <Danar> i just saw he said apt-get can't find packages...
[03:35] <james> Danar, I get this: "mplayer-k7 - transitional dummy package which can be safely removed". What does that mean?
[03:35] <ernesto_> Danar: OK... i still have the original repositories file
[03:35] <djp> cantus vs easytag?
[03:35] <cazabam> chrissturm: sorry, popped away for a second... I'll just check...
[03:35] <Danar> james, some packages get renamed. in order for the update to go through they add packages like that
[03:35] <_eXoDuS> james: that means it's no use :)
[03:36] <Danar> james, so when people update from the old package, it gets turned into the new one
[03:36] <cazabam> chrissturm: sorry, use mogrify rather than convert
[03:36] <Danar> james, so if you have it installed, you can remove it
[03:36] <james> Danar, no I didn't install it -- I'm not _that_ silly. ;)
[03:37] <james> _eXoDuS, thanks :)
[03:37] <james> Danar, so basically which is my best choice for installing mplayer?
[03:38] <chrissturm> cazabam, mogrify: missing an image filename `75x75'.
[03:38] <Danar> james, what's your architecture?
[03:38] <finlaylabs> Danar _eXoDuS: thanks for the ideas. List is empty. will try populate it (at least with the 'additional packages" from the cd!!!)
[03:39] <Danar> james, pentium? AMD?
[03:41] <cazabam> chrissturm: weird - do any of your images have spaces in the filename?
[03:41] <_eXoDuS> finlaylabs: grab the list from the guide, complete
[03:41] <jamey> Danar, I have an AMD Athlon XP-M processor.
[03:41] <chrissturm> cazabam, nope, i get this error for every filename
[03:41] <jamey> Danar, so I should choose K7, right?
[03:42] <jamey> Danar, sorry I meant K6. :)
[03:42] <Danar> i think so, yes
[03:42] <jamey> Okay thanks
[03:42] <Danar> not sure what mplayer-custom is though...
[03:42] <james__> hrm, me either
[03:43] <cazabam> chrissturm: hmm.. bear with me a sec...
[03:44] <bimzalabim> hai
[03:44] <bimzalabim> hai
[03:44] <ernesto_> Danar: can you tell me the sudo commands to reload the package info and reinstall pygtk ?
[03:44] <Danar> ernesto_, you can just use synaptic...
[03:44] <ernesto_> ok
[03:45] <Danar> ernesto_, or, 'man apt-get' ;)
[03:45] <ernesto_> ok i  will try it
[03:46] <cazabam> chrissturm: Looks like I was right the first time ... use convert with the scale option. not sure why it didn't work for you
[03:46] <cazabam> chrissturm: I just ran the original command line I sent and it seems to work fine for me
[03:50] <cazabam> chrissturm: hehe, I just noticed what I did - my sincere apologies - change 'for name in' to 'for f in' and it will work fine... sorry :(
[03:50] <jamey> I've got mplayer to play my ShowShifter files (yay) but they have major artificacting/garbled-ness. Anyone know how I remedy this?
[03:50] <cazabam> chrissturm: I need to go to sleep, I htink - deprivation is not good for the mental syntax checker!
[03:52] <dballester> hi to all
[03:53] <znh> hi to dballester
[03:55] <Danar> anyone know why i can't get the time right?
[03:55] <jamey> Danar, do you know how I can get my ShowShifter files to play correctly?
[03:55] <Danar> i have the right time zone...
[03:56] <jamey> you can sync it with ntp.ubuntuserver.org
[03:56] <Danar> jamey, dunno what ShowShifter files are...
[03:56] <mindspin> danar which one?
[03:56] <jamey> well they play properly
[03:56] <jamey> almost... just some artificating
[03:56] <Danar> mindspin, which time zone? the right one :p
[03:56] <jamey> *artifacting
[03:56] <mindspin> haha
[03:56] <mindspin> ok
[03:57] <Danar> jamey, dunno. maybe drivers, maybe corrupt download, dunno
[03:57] <trashman> hiall
[03:57] <trashman> my audio drivers doesnt work ,so they doesnt syncronize with my video.Im usin alsa.Are there other drivers that could work 
[03:57] <Danar> i synchronize it with an ntp server, but it displays the wrong time always
[03:58] <mindspin> danar again, which timezone?
[03:58] <Danar> mindspin, 1 - why's it matter? 2 - toronto
[04:00] <avinoam> I have a problem- power management seems to be causing my cable internet connection to crash- i disabled acpi to no avail
[04:00] <Danar> i can synch it with nptdate even, but it's displaying the time from the wrong time zone
[04:00] <jamey> Danar, it's not a download -- I recorded it off a FreeView channel yesterday.
[04:00] <Danar> jamey, oh. could be bad sectors on your HDD
[04:00] <ubuntu_> hello everyone
[04:00] <jamey> Danar, go System -> Administration -> Time and Date
[04:00] <jamey> then click "Synchronise Now"
[04:00] <whitti> How can you actually kill x, rather than just leave it?
[04:00] <mindspin> here in germany the right timezone should be gmt plus2 but it only shows correct time if you set it to gmt -2 therefore
[04:00] <jamey> whitti, try "sudo killall [name of service] "
[04:00] <Danar> or bad codecs...
[04:00] <whitti> jamey: sure
[04:00] <u19809x> hibernate works but when I close the lid the hibernation does not trigger ? how can I set it up ?
[04:00] <jamey> or you can stop it via: /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[04:00] <jamey> but I think you may need to sudo that command
[04:00] <whitti> sure
[04:00] <kong0> this time i got a good question:
[04:00] <Danar> could be anything
[04:01] <jamey> Danar, damn because I really wanted it to work. :/
[04:01] <Danar> try a different player? reinstall codecs? check your drivers?
[04:01] <kong0> when im trying this /etc/apt/sources.list it says im not authorised...
[04:01] <Danar> jamey, yeah, that's where i set the time zone
[04:01] <mindspin> kongO try it with sudo
[04:02] <kong0> i doid
[04:02] <kong0> that wasnt a valid command
[04:02] <Danar> kong0, what wasn't/
[04:02] <avinoam> kong0 use gedit
[04:02] <znh> Err.. my wireless conflicts with my usb-storage.. (IRQ #11), is it possible to deactivate the usb-storage?
[04:02] <mindspin> sudo "editor of yourchoice" /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:03] <avinoam> can someone help me?
[04:03] <znh> avinoam: if you tell us the problem, we might
[04:03] <jamey> Danar, did the time synchronization work though?
[04:03] <bob2> avinoam: I really doubt that is your issue
[04:03] <ubuntu_> what's your matter?
[04:03] <avinoam>  I have a problem- power management seems to be causing my cable internet connection to crash- i disabled acpi to no avail
[04:03] <Danar> jamey, yeah, it works fine, but still displays the wrong time
[04:03] <avinoam> well then i don'[t know what
[04:03] <kong0> what do you mean gedit? gedit /etc/apt/sources.list?
[04:03] <mindspin> gedit is the editor
[04:04] <avinoam> i think power management, while shutting off the screen, also closes power to ethernet
[04:04] <jamey> Danar, I see. Maybe there's an offset setting somewhere?
[04:04] <znh> avinoam: mostly it would, maybe you can deactivate it in the bios
[04:04] <avinoam> but i'm open to other suggestions
[04:04] <avinoam> znh, it is fine in windows
[04:04] <kong0> ok gedit worked thx :d
[04:04] <kong0> D
[04:05] <znh> windows may not listen to the bios :)
[04:05] <kong0> but what am i to change it into....
[04:05] <avinoam> where in the bios?
[04:05] <mindspin> kong0 what do you want to do?
[04:05] <znh> avinoam: what kind of bios have you got?
[04:06] <avinoam> a06
[04:06] <znh> err..
[04:06] <avinoam> you prob. want more information than that
[04:06] <kong0> i need to fix my universe multiverse so i can install different files
[04:06] <znh> I mean.. something like "Award Bios", or "American Systems"
[04:06] <mindspin> so remove the # before deb ... universe
[04:07] <mindspin> and save the file
[04:07] <mindspin> it works only if you started gedit with sudo gedit...
[04:08] <bob2> kong0: maybe you should try #ubuntu-se if you have such trouble understanding the help here
[04:08] <kong0> haha well ill just restart i t then but i still need to know exactly what to type once in it
[04:08] <avinoam> znh i think it's proprietary dell
[04:08] <kong0> bob maybe u could shut up cuz i havent seen u even trying
[04:08] <kong0> mormon :P
[04:08] <mindspin> kong0 so remove the # before deb ... universe
[04:09] <kong0> ok on all?
[04:09] <znh> avinoam: hmz.. don't know how there bios look like, here is it called "Power Management"
[04:09] <mindspin> no on universe and multiverse
[04:09] <avinoam> i'll check it out
[04:09] <avinoam> and then i'll come back
[04:10] <znh> ok :)
[04:10] <ivoks> eh
[04:10] <ivoks> anyone wants acroread7 for hoary?
[04:10] <avinoam> by the way is acpi the best power management to use?
[04:10] <mindspin> kong0 read the file and try to get how it works its very simple, you just have to read abit
[04:10] <avinoam> I've heard another one might be better?
[04:10] <ivoks> evince is better
[04:10] <Danar> i just read through a page that's supposed to tell you how to configure the time zone from the command line... didn't work
[04:10] <ivoks> but, still...
[04:11] <kong0> i removed the # on all universe multiverse lines
[04:11] <kong0> should it work now?
[04:11] <avinoam> what is evince?
[04:11] <mindspin> try it
[04:11] <Danar> kong0, did you save? :p
[04:11] <kong0> yes :D
[04:11] <ivoks> avinoam: gnome pdf viewer... very very good one
[04:11] <kcburyshaker> can someone tell me what file or files i need to get to play .avi files with totem movie player?
[04:11] <avinoam> ivoks power managment!!
[04:11] <Danar> !codecs
[04:11] <ubotu> I guess codecs is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:12] <Danar> kcburyshaker, ^
[04:12] <kong0> i couldnt find any good readmes on google im afraid...so i had to ask you all
[04:12] <kcburyshaker> type that into terminal?
[04:12] <Danar> kcburyshaker, ?! go to the page!
[04:12] <kong0> sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[04:12] <bob2> kong0: that file explains exactly how to edit it
[04:12] <kcburyshaker> ok
[04:12] <kong0> sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[04:12] <mindspin> "/etc/apt/sources.list" is kinda tselfexplaining
[04:13] <kong0> bob what file did you say?
[04:13] <kcburyshaker> im a 2 day old noob   i dont know my way around linux yet
[04:13] <Thanatermesis> any liveCD developer please ?
[04:13] <bob2> Thanatermesis: very unlikely to be any here
[04:13] <Danar> kcburyshaker, yeh, but it's common sense. i gave you a site.. obviously you should visit it.
[04:13] <bob2> Thanatermesis: if you want help customising it, try asking on the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[04:13] <ThE__OnE> is there any program that makes ubuntu load a differnt wallpaper everytime it boots?
[04:14] <kcburyshaker> danar   im there now   thanks
[04:14] <Danar> kcburyshaker, er, unless you didn't realize by '^' i was pointing to the line above
[04:14] <Thanatermesis> no customizing, only like to need to ask a little question of the "init scripts"
[04:14] <bob2> Thanatermesis: then just ask here
[04:14] <kong0> ohh bob i get what file u meant however i couldnt even get in that file i used this command /etc/apt/sources.list and i got this error message: acess denied (or sumthin)
[04:14] <kcburyshaker> danar   i see it  thank you   and also thanks for making a noob feel welcome   lay off me please
[04:14] <Thanatermesis> ok
[04:15] <mindspin> it works only if you started gedit with sudo gedit...
[04:15] <Danar> kcburyshaker, ? "thanks for making a noob feel welcome" seems to conflict with "lay off me please"
[04:15] <Thanatermesis> any person understand how to works the "x-refresh" autodetection in liveCD mode ? this is a work of xorg or an script from init scripts ?
[04:15] <kong0> and i have a comment to all "leets" here...perhaps if u guys wasnt so cynical u wouldn't have to explain stuff 10 times
[04:15] <zyth> Thanatermesis, your best bet is probably the ubuntu-devel mailing list for that kind of thing.
[04:16] <Thanatermesis> hummm... I need to subscribe? :/
[04:16] <zyth> kong0, man, if you'd read the documentation, it'd be easier for you.
[04:16] <mindspin> kong0 and if you read better you'll have more success
[04:16] <refuze2looze> i think there's a wiki about enabling multiverse
[04:16] <kong0> the help i needed was to get the readme
[04:16] <znh> zyth: nice word chose
[04:16] <cef> jdub: re: sounder - THANK YOU! *sigh*
[04:16] <mindspin> sudo "editor of yourchoice" /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:16] <mindspin> it works only if you started gedit with sudo gedit...
[04:17] <Danar> kong0, he said documentation, meaning man files. not the website you're reading
[04:17] <kong0> maybe i didnt exactly put that up front but i needed to get to the list and all i got was edespise
[04:17] <mindspin> kong0 read the file and try to get how it works its very simple, you just have to read abit
[04:17] <ThE__OnE> is there any program that makes ubuntu load a differnt wallpaper everytime it boots?
[04:17] <Thanatermesis> what are the devel-list mail?
[04:17] <mindspin> so remove the # before deb ... universe
[04:17] <kong0> i meant readme as in the documentetion i was supposed to read
[04:17] <kong0> i come from windoes u know
[04:17] <dabi> is there any command i can do to unmount/open cdrom from console?
[04:17] <bob2> kong0: no, you need to get a better attitude.  3 people pointed you at the wiki before you actually read it, and all the while you claimed no one was helping you
[04:17] <zyth> ThE__OnE, google for 'gnome wallpaper changer' or something?
[04:17] <bob2> Thanatermesis: ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[04:18] <Thanatermesis> thx
[04:18] <Danar> kong0, much of the stuff you'd need to read is in the man files. 'man command'. the rest you can usually find through google
[04:18] <znh> ThE__OnE: maybe you can write some application on your own for that
[04:18] <kong0> mindspin ive already done it thx for your help however i was trying to lay certain pikes to bob2 wich obviously havent got anything of em
[04:18] <Funraiser> what's the app in linux to surf through anonymous proxies?
[04:18] <zyth> or a shell script that runs at boot
[04:18] <znh> Funraiser: you can define a proxy server in firefox :)
[04:18] <Danar> Funraiser, tor w/ privoxy
[04:18] <bob2> kong0: you're not even making sense now, please just drop it
[04:18] <zyth> Funraiser, anon-proxy, in synaptic
[04:19] <Funraiser> thanks!
[04:19] <mindspin> btw. kong0 btw. whats so important in wincodecs they suck
[04:19] <zyth> mindspin, well, unless you want to watch wmv video...
[04:19] <mindspin> never needed to ;-)
[04:19] <avinoam> no good
[04:19] <avinoam> my bios doesn't have many power management options
[04:19] <Danar> mindspin, i have... :/
[04:20] <Danar> some people have no consideration :p
[04:20] <kong0> alright im dropping everything im off to see if i screwed up while i change the sources.list
[04:21] <avinoam> damn
[04:21] <znh> kong0: calm down.. it's okay.. just be calm
[04:21] <avinoam> In case you don't remember, my cable internet connection crashes after i leave the computer for a while
[04:21] <avinoam> Ubuntu hoary
[04:21] <avinoam> Dell Inspiron 1150 laptop
[04:21] <kong0> lol znh i wasnt upset
[04:21] <znh> avinoam: and did you find anything in the bios?
[04:22] <avinoam> znh no there is nothing there
[04:22] <kong0> but now i am im afraid :P it didnt work ahaha
[04:22] <avinoam> znh i checked all the pages
[04:22] <znh> kong0: what is the problem :)?
[04:22] <znh> avinoam: hmz.. I don't know were ubuntu is doing the power management..
[04:23] <kong0> couldnt find package
[04:23] <avinoam> does anyone here know where ubuntu is doing power management?
[04:23] <znh> kong0: what package?
[04:23] <kong0> im trying to install azureus
[04:23] <kong0> from ubuntuguide
[04:23] <znh> kong0: azureus hmm..
[04:23] <avinoam> kong0 you need to install java first
[04:24] <dabi> can i open cd drive with some command?
[04:24] <kong0> that shouldnt effect the package loss
[04:24] <zyth> !java
[04:24] <ubotu> rumour has it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java
[04:24] <kong0> it still cant find anypackage
[04:24] <refuze2looze> avinoam: do you connect through vnc?
[04:24] <avinoam> no
[04:24] <znh> kong0: why don't you compile it at yourself :)?
[04:24] <znh> kong0: If it's java you don't even have to
[04:25] <kong0> ehmm im not following you here...
[04:26] <root> join #
[04:26] <avinoam> does anyone know where ubuntu does power management?
[04:26] <znh> kong0: you can manualy download azureus from there homepage (after installing Java)
[04:26] <Myrtti> bad idea to be on the net as root
[04:26] <Myrtti> Bad Idea (tm)
[04:26] <znh> :P
[04:27] <znh> woot.. He had a ip of someone with a dedicated connection such as highspeed 10mbit :D
[04:27] <znh> and then even login with root.. scary xD
[04:27] <kong0> well i still want universe multiverse (wich i believe is the fault for the problem)
[04:27] <fnoyan> hi,how can i learn supported languages by ubuntu? or from where.!!
[04:27] <zyth> avinoam, try changing your boot line to include acpi=off
[04:28] <znh> fnoyan: what do you mean? programming?
[04:28] <refuze2looze> avinoam, is it because power management is turning your HD off?
[04:28] <askinif> can't get printer to work and can't seem to find doumentation, can someone help a novice
[04:28] <zyth> avinoam, that'll default back to APM.  Might work better for you
[04:28] <mindspin> kong0 open /etc/apt/sources.list with sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources/list
[04:28] <avinoam> zyth i've tried it
[04:28] <fnoyan> no,english,french...etc.and also all the libc libraries are included?
[04:28] <avinoam> refuse2looze no my HD doesn't turn off
[04:28] <zyth> avinoam, have you tried turning APM off too?
[04:29] <avinoam> zyth no
[04:29] <avinoam> and with good reason, because i need power management
[04:29] <zyth> avinoam, why?
[04:29] <veronica> I have 3 drives.....the OS on one and /home on another....i wanted to raid the /home drive eith the 3rd drive......does it have to be mountes?
[04:29] <veronica> mounted?
[04:29] <kong0> done
[04:29] <avinoam> because i'm on a laptop
[04:29] <zyth> avinoam, so am I, I don't use it.
[04:29] <kong0> mindspin done
[04:29] <zyth> I'm not afraid of booting! :)
[04:29] <fnoyan> any answer pls....
[04:29] <avinoam> zyth then how do you know how much power the battery has?
[04:29] <zyth> lol
[04:29] <veronica> software raid1
[04:30] <mindspin> kong0 read the file and remove the # before the lines deb http universe..
[04:30] <zyth> avinoam, I don't care? I runs out when it runs out? lol  My way probably won't work for you though.
[04:30] <mindspin> and multiverse
[04:30] <askinif> hardware help anyone!!
[04:30] <zyth> I use AC power 99% of the time
[04:30] <mindspin> read it and guess by yerself what to do its really self explaining
[04:31] <zyth> avinoam, one thing; have you tried some other connection besides your home one, and seen if it drops link on you too?
[04:31] <mindspin> after you edited it save the files and run sudo apt-get update
[04:31] <avinoam> zyth no
[04:31] <avinoam> zyth but windows worked fine with it
[04:31] <zyth> avinoam, I'd do that, to eliminate your connection as the cause of the issue
[04:32] <zyth> your ISP might time out your DHCP lease if you're idle or something weird.
[04:32] <askinif> printer help
[04:33] <avinoam> zyth i have a static IP
[04:33] <zyth> I'd check another connection anyways, but it's your call.
[04:33] <avinoam> i see that acpi shuts down mysql but i imagine that isn't related?
[04:34] <mindspin> on my thinkpad 600 acpi was the reason for weird effects
[04:35] <Shufla> hello :) where's guide to make splitted debs? do i _have_ to use official debian developers manual?(which is man like :()
[04:35] <kong0> do you get hacked on linux?
[04:35] <avinoam> wait i think i found the problem
[04:35] <avinoam> can i paste code here?
[04:36] <zyth> use paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[04:36] <mindspin> no
[04:36] <jamey> kong0, no you don't get hacked unless you have open ports on your system
[04:36] <kong0> hmm i might have open ports
[04:36] <jamey> kong0, do a port scan of 127.0.0.1 to check what's open
[04:36] <zyth> unless you use a router
[04:36] <zyth> lol
[04:36] <jamey> kong0, Applications -> System Tools -> Network Tools
[04:36] <jamey> zyth, yeah
[04:36] <kong0> ok thx
[04:37] <Shufla> kong0: or use lsof (lsof -ni4 and lsof -ni6)
[04:37] <jamey> kong0, then choose "Port Scan", type "127.0.0.1" (no quote) and click Scan
[04:37] <avinoam> OK i pasted check it out
[04:37] <zyth> what's the url avinoam ?
[04:37] <dockane> there is a noralgic point where a decision for or against linux in  has to be made at my workplace: i used to scan with an espon perfection 3200 slidefilms. (mounted and unmounted diapositeves).
[04:37] <avinoam> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/139
[04:37] <avinoam> I think that is the problem
[04:38] <zyth> avinoam, it looks like a standard part of the stuff to go into sleep-mode
[04:39] <avinoam> zyth yes it shuts off network interfaces
[04:39] <avinoam> which would include my cable modem connection
[04:39] <zyth> avinoam, so you need to figure out how to have your notebook not enter sleep mode.  Have you checked google for how to config acpi?
[04:39] <avinoam> zyth or i could just comment out those lines no?
[04:39] <SirMud> hi, i would like to know how to prepare my brand new hd so linux sees it
[04:40] <avinoam> sirmud you need to format it
[04:40] <zyth> avinoam, it'll still goto sleep, I think.
[04:40] <zyth> avinoam, just not nicely.
[04:40] <avinoam> zyth let it go to sleep, just so it doesn't shut off ethernet
[04:40] <cjs> is there a hoary unstable .deb repos with newer packages in it? looking specifically for a newer ipw2200
[04:40] <zyth> avinoam, if your HD goes to sleep, and your system... what will it matter if your nic is up?
[04:40] <SirMud> yea, whats the partition prog though, im gonna multiboot it to hell
[04:41] <zyth> avinoam, it won't stay up.  No os will be 'running' for it to communicate with
[04:41] <avinoam> ah i see
[04:41] <avinoam> zyth, at least i know that that is definitely my problem
[04:41] <dockane> now i am finding myself with iscan, vuescan and xsane here: none of this scanning tools is able to detect the format of diapositives in transparency mode (with the 4 dia mask thats not a real problem i can crop manually but with the stripe mask its awfull to cut each dia and scan) ... thats pretty ugly ? anybody out there with an idea ?
[04:41] <mindspin> SirMud qtparted?
[04:42] <zyth> avinoam, you may wind up needing to compile a custom kernel... :/
[04:42] <mindspin> dockane that sounds very special, try the newsgroup
[04:42] <SirMud> is that installed with the base system or do i need to get it?
[04:42] <zyth> avinoam, and being selective about which acpi functions you allow
[04:42] <avinoam> zyth, i have no freaking idea how to do that
[04:42] <Chacal> hey
[04:42] <zyth> avinoam, but first, google for your notebook model and linux acpi and see if anyone else has been through this yet
[04:43] <dockane> mindspin, i will
[04:43] <Chacal> quick question: where is located the login splash image?
[04:43] <avinoam> zyth i've seen people claim that suspend and hibernate do not work
[04:43] <mindspin> SirMud cfdisk from shell?
[04:44] <zyth> avinoam, then I'd guess they probably don't.  You are probably better off with acpi=off and just using APM
[04:44] <avinoam> zyth i've tried that
[04:44] <mindspin> yep
[04:44] <mindspin> that would be my guess too
[04:45] <Chacal> anyone?
[04:45] <avinoam> zyth how to shut off APM as well?
[04:45] <avinoam> APM=off?
[04:45] <^thehatsrule^> or noapm?
[04:45] <kong0> what does IPP ?
[04:46] <mindspin> internet printing protocol
[04:46] <kong0> ok so for the printer
[04:46] <thoreauputic> kong0: network printing
[04:46] <avinoam> zyth ??
[04:46] <kong0> aight thx
[04:47] <nightswim> does someone know how I can tell the X.org on ubuntu to use the windows key as a modifier like alt?
[04:47] <Chacal> the login background image, where is it?
[04:47] <jamey> thoreauputic: what type of network printing is IPP for?
[04:47] <nightswim> it's something in /etc/X11/xkbd, but I forgot
[04:47] <thoreauputic> kong0: scanning 127.0.0.1 is misleading if you have a network
[04:47] <jamey> nightswim: try keyboard or keyboard shortcuts in the system menu
[04:47] <mindspin> ;-)
[04:47] <jamey> thoereauputic: why's that?
[04:47] <thoreauputic> jamey: IPP can be used on a LAN as well
[04:47] <jamey> (scanning 127.0.0.1 misleading)
[04:47] <sly> back =D
[04:47] <zyth> avinoam, yeah apm=off acpi=off in your kernel bootline
[04:48] <jamey> thoreauputic, but I mean is it used just for Linux printing or also for Samba?
[04:48] <avinoam> zyth i'll make another entry in grub for travel mode which allows acpi
[04:48] <jamey> and is it accessible outside of the LAN?
[04:48] <kong0> thorepatic: how so?
[04:48] <avinoam> zyth when i don't need cable modem
[04:48] <thoreauputic> jamey: because if you run NFS, IPP etc on your LAN the scan will show those ports open
[04:48] <nightswim> jamey: no, if I go there it doesnt interpret that key as a modifier
[04:48] <nightswim> but as a normal key
[04:48] <jamey> hmm sorry
[04:48] <zyth> avinoam, *nod*
[04:48] <jamey> thoreauputic, but it is accessible outside of the LAN?
[04:48] <thoreauputic> you need someone to nmap you from th enet
[04:49] <jamey> thoreauputic, okay I see... nmap always seems slooow to me
[04:49] <thoreauputic> jamey: not if the interface is different and your iptables are right
[04:49] <kong0> well im off cyall
[04:49] <mindspin> nessus shows a little more than nmap
[04:50] <jamey> thoreauputic, can I PM you?
[04:50] <skywater> hello. is it possible for ubuntu to connect to a windows p2p network?
[04:51] <mindspin> samba haha
[04:51] <TiMiDo> skywater, samba
[04:51] <TiMiDo> or gnome
[04:51] <thoreauputic> jamey: sorry I'm about to sign off - 1 am here :)
[04:51] <Hylas_> what's the module called to apt-get audio codec mpeg layer 2/3?
[04:52] <jamey> thoreauputic, ok no problem :)
[04:54] <microhaxo> guys, i dloaded a new kernel patch : 2.6.12 how do i install it?
[04:55] <TiMiDo> microhaxo, read the README or INSTALL
[04:57] <microhaxo> doesnt come with one
[04:57] <microhaxo> patch-2.6.12.bz2
[04:57] <microhaxo> just comes with htis
[04:57] <microhaxo> patch-2.6.12
[04:57] <microhaxo> seems like a txt based file?
[04:58] <TiMiDo> what extension is it?
[04:58] <Chacal> exit
[04:58] <microhaxo> doesnt have one?
[04:58] <cazabam> microhaxo: it sounds like a normal diff - what is the first line?
[04:59] <microhaxo> hrm ill open it in txt editor
[04:59] <microhaxo> yea
[04:59] <microhaxo> diff
[04:59] <sly> microhaxo you still here whining ?
[04:59] <microhaxo> no
[04:59] <microhaxo> its a diff
[04:59] <microhaxo> how would i install this?
[05:00] <cazabam> microhaxo: you'll need to show me the first line - it's all relative to the path
[05:00] <microhaxo> k
[05:00] <microhaxo> hrm
[05:00] <sly> correct me if im wrong but this morning befor i went out you was complaining about linux........... and wanting to reinstall windows........ now you want to install kernal patchs ?
[05:00] <microhaxo> diff --git a/CREDITS b/CREDITS
[05:00] <microhaxo> --- a/CREDITS
[05:00] <microhaxo> +++ b/CREDITS
[05:00] <microhaxo> sly
[05:00] <microhaxo> stay out of it
[05:00] <TiMiDo> lol
[05:01] <sly> but is that not correct
[05:01] <Zukero> hello
[05:01] <Zukero> i have a problem with ssh
[05:01] <sly> you was whineing about all sorts of things from ati surport to windows never crashs
[05:01] <microhaxo> no it isnt, i want windows, but am i going to get it any time soon
[05:01] <TiMiDo> Zukero, what is it?
[05:01] <cazabam> microhaxo: hmmm... looks like it was made in the source directory
[05:01] <Zukero> how can i make my system accept ssh connection
[05:01] <microhaxo> thats bad huh cazabam
[05:01] <TiMiDo> Zukero, dpkg-reconfigure sshd
[05:01] <cazabam> microhaxo: no, not really
[05:01] <Black-whIsp> hey whats the standart root password???
[05:01] <mindspin> Zukero sudo apt-get install ssh-server
[05:01] <microhaxo> :D then how can i run this biach
[05:02] <cazabam> microhaxo: make sure you have a backup of your kernel source before applying it!
[05:02] <microhaxo> err
[05:02] <TiMiDo> Black-whIsp, huh?
[05:02] <microhaxo> how do i do that
[05:02] <microhaxo> lol
[05:02] <cazabam> microhaxo: then run: patch -p0 < patch-2.6.1
[05:02] <sly> Black-whIsp ..... your root pass3word on ubuntu is the password for the 1st account you setup
[05:02] <Black-whIsp> TiMiDo: it didnt ask me to make a root password
[05:02] <cazabam> microhaxo: from inside the source directory
[05:02] <microhaxo> k
[05:02] <microhaxo> cazabam
[05:02] <microhaxo> this was bziped
[05:02] <TiMiDo> Black-whIsp, do su and then do passwd and set up a password
[05:02] <cazabam> yup
[05:02] <Black-whIsp> sly: nope.. have tryed that. :)
[05:02] <microhaxo> i didnt compile it
[05:03] <cazabam> what was?
[05:03] <microhaxo> the kernel, i didnt compile it
[05:03] <microhaxo> i dloaded it
[05:03] <microhaxo> so?
[05:03] <microhaxo> do i just cd to home
[05:03] <microhaxo> and run that
[05:03] <cazabam> you need the kernel source before you can apply that patch
[05:03] <microhaxo> lol
[05:03] <microhaxo> k
[05:03] <microhaxo> hrm
[05:03] <cazabam> binary patches come in the form of modules
[05:03] <cazabam> that can be built against the kernel headers
[05:03] <cazabam> this actually modifies the kernel source
[05:03] <microhaxo> where is it cazabam?
[05:03] <microhaxo> http://www.kernel.org/
[05:03] <refuze2looze> i get Segmentation Fault sometimes in firefox.. would it help maybe if i compile it from source?
[05:03] <cazabam> you can get it in the repos
[05:04] <cazabam> can't remember off hand - 2 secs
[05:04] <microhaxo> not mine
[05:04] <microhaxo> lol
[05:04] <justin> Black-whIsp: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+root+password
[05:05] <cazabam> microhaxo: it's linux-source-2.6.xxxx where xxxx is the version you want
[05:05] <cazabam> just apt-get linux-source to get latest, I think
[05:05] <microhaxo> i only have .11
[05:05] <cazabam> ok
[05:05] <microhaxo> in package manager
[05:05] <cazabam> also will need make-kpkg to build the new kernel binary package
[05:06] <cazabam> there's a few threads/howtos on ubuntuforums
[05:06] <microhaxo> k
[05:06] <microhaxo> thanks
[05:06] <cazabam> no probs
[05:06] <Zukero> thanks guys
[05:06] <TiMiDo> np zuj
[05:06] <TiMiDo> *Zukero
[05:08] <Black-whIsp> justin: THX
[05:10] <SS2> hello @ all :)
[05:11] <SS2> keiner da?
[05:11] <micro>  god dammit cant anything go RIGHT AT ALL! i install new headers
[05:11] <micro> now tuxracer runs at a nifty 3 fps
[05:11] <micro> Y Q# GTHQWFA!!!~$
[05:12] <mindspin> english SS2 ;-)
[05:13] <Seveas> micro, I thought we have been polite enough
[05:13] <Seveas> and that I have warned you several times
[05:13] <Seveas> now get the hell out
[05:13] <refuze2looze> how do i start firefox with gdb?
[05:14] <SS2> was english???
[05:14] <SS2> achso
[05:14] <SS2> kann auch deutsch
[05:14] <mindspin> genau
[05:14] <SS2> oder kannst du kein englisch?
[05:14] <SS2> oh oops im in the wrong room, hehehe
[05:14] <Seveas> SS2, fuer, deutschsprachige hilfe, #ubuntu-de bitte
[05:14] <Benjamin_L> wie, ubuntu pltzlich deutsch ? ^^
[05:15] <Seveas> Benjamin_L, nein :)
[05:15] <Benjamin_L> ^^
[05:15] <Seveas> refuze2looze, `gdb mozilla-firefox`
[05:15] <Seveas> but  running with gdb makes it painfully slow :)
[05:15] <kvidell> sun.com eh? Say hi to Cantrill for me ;P (He'd actually have no idea who I am but I saw him speak at BayLISA last week)
[05:15] <refuze2looze> Seveas, nevermind i got it using firefox -debug
[05:15] <Seveas> :)
[05:17] <Benjamin_L> a general question. is it necessary to "exit" a root terminal or is it enough to just close it ?
[05:17] <TiMiDo> is not good to leave it open
[05:17] <Seveas> close means exiting :)
[05:17] <TiMiDo> oh sorry closing it (:
[05:18] <cazabam> Benjamin_L: as long as the login process dies, the manner of it's death is unimportant :)
[05:18] <Benjamin_L> ok
[05:18] <kvidell> oo.. caffeine and nyquil is a funky trip.. d'oh!
[05:19] <nalioth_wrkn> kvidell: is that anything like kaffeine and noatun?
[05:19] <kvidell> :-P
[05:19] <kvidell> this is what I get for being oblivious and addicted to coffee.
[05:21] <owlmanatt> Anyone here had any success setting up a Linksys WUSB11 wireless-b network adapter under Ubuntu?
[05:21] <owlmanatt> There seems to be a driver for it for linux, but I'm getting horribly confused with all of the stuff I'm finding on google
[05:22] <k3pp0> hi all!!
[05:24] <Seveas> hi
[05:24] <k3pp0> just testin irc:)
[05:24] <Seveas> :)
[05:25] <queuetue> Where is the "#$!#@ why didn't they set up alsa properly?" howto? :)  I know I've seen it before..
[05:25] <Seveas> queuetue, aoogle for #$!$@ :)
[05:26] <Seveas> or search for alsa at the wiki :)
[05:26] <despeeh> esound :)
[05:26] <k3pp0> lol
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm bored ! breezys up to date, I've got nothing to dist-upgrade
[05:26] <owlmanatt> Kamping_Kaiser: rm -rf /etc and reboot then, since you're so bored. =)
[05:27] <despeeh> kamping you can delete your programs and download again :)
[05:27] <jbroome> Kamping_Kaiser: play with debian sid, i'm sure that'll be a challenge. :)
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> owlmanatt, but what about t3h l33tzor pr0nz?
[05:27] <owlmanatt> You store pr0n in /etc?!
[05:27] <jbroome> that gets backed up, obviously
[05:27] <owlmanatt> The Linux Standards Base people would flay you...
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol jbroom,
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> where should it go?
[05:28] <Osiris> Hi im thinking of switching to ubunt from windows xp, i have experience with debian, and was just wondering if anyone had successfully got  a all in one printer working in ubuntu as i have checked google and nobody seems to have had any luck
[05:28] <Zukero> how can I retreive my ip adress from console ?
[05:28] <nalioth_wrkn> Osiris: try the LiveCD
[05:28] <cazabam> osiris: which one? if it's HP then they're all fully supported - by HP!
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> osiris linuxprinting.org.... is it listed as supported?
[05:28] <Seveas> Kamping_Kaiser, /var/pr0n/
[05:28] <cazabam> osiris: if epson, bit flakey
[05:28] <Osiris> Kamping_Kaiser, no its not on the list at linuxprinting.org
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, thanks seveas :D
[05:28] <cazabam> osiris: if lexmark, forget it :(
[05:29] <Seveas> :)
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> osiris. good luck with it... I'm off to bed.
[05:29] <mindspin> zukero ifconfig
[05:29] <Zukero> thx
[05:29] <Osiris> cazabam, Yeah its a lexmark p3150
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> night all... have fun wiht the old rm -rf foo
[05:29] <cazabam> osiris: ah...
[05:29] <Osiris> Looking a bit grim heh
[05:30] <cazabam> yeah :(
[05:30] <akrame> Hi all
[05:30] <akrame> is someone here ?
[05:30] <Seveas> no
[05:30] <mindspin> lots
[05:30] <akrame> please i have a problem with X
[05:30] <cazabam> osiris, apparently someone managed to pull a sheet through once :-/
[05:30] <Seveas> akrame, look at the topic: just ask :)
[05:30] <cazabam> oops
[05:31] <mdipi> hey all
[05:31] <mdipi> when I run 'sudo apt-get update'
[05:32] <Seveas> yes...?
[05:32] <mdipi> sorry hold on
[05:32] <mdipi> i gotta grab the erro
[05:32] <Seveas> :)
[05:32] <carlFK> an app is erroring with "Unable to open /dev/dsp: Permission denied"
[05:32] <mdipi> *error
[05:32] <akrame> hi all , i can't lunch my Xorg , i have an error : xinitrc: line9:/etc/X11/Xsession no such file or directory
[05:32] <Seveas> uou can paste it on paste.ubuntulinux.nl too :)
[05:32] <carlFK> I am guessing that is because a sound server is using it?
[05:32] <Osiris> carlFK, is your sound working properley by any chance?
[05:33] <Seveas> carlFK, correct
[05:33] <akrame> Help me , please
[05:33] <akrame> please
[05:33] <Seveas> teach the erroring app to use esd
[05:33] <mdipi> This is the error i get:
[05:33] <mdipi> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[05:33] <mdipi> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[05:33] <Seveas> or disable esd while runnong it...
[05:33] <Osiris> carlFK, what app is it?
[05:33] <akrame> hi all , i can't lunch my Xorg , i have an error : xinitrc: line9:/etc/X11/Xsession no such file or directory
[05:33] <Seveas> mdipi, that's only part of the output, paste the complete output to paste.ubuntulinux.nl please
[05:33] <_eXoDuS> akrame: stop that, one time is enough
[05:33] <cazabam> akrame: does the file exist?
[05:33] <carlFK> aplay /usr/share/hwdb-client/sound.wav
[05:33] <carlFK> that works
[05:33] <Seveas> akrame: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[05:34] <carlFK> app that is erroring is yate (voip phone)
[05:34] <akrame> cazabam no
[05:34] <_eXoDuS> Seveas: you should run an apt bot here :)
[05:34] <justin> akrame: what did you do?
[05:34] <Seveas> akrame, have you by any chance removed /etc/X11/Xsession?
[05:34] <Osiris> carlFK, id try doing what Seveas said .
[05:34] <cazabam> akrame: sounds like X is b0rked - is this a fresh install?
[05:35] <akrame> yes
[05:35] <akrame> no
[05:35] <akrame> i've just installed x
[05:35] <Seveas> akrame, I hope you did not try breezy...
[05:35] <carlFK> Osiris, thanks (if you hadn't have said that, I would have mised it)
[05:35] <Seveas> and taht you installed X from the *official* Ubuntu repositories...
[05:35] <douglas> If I want to mount an ext3 volume so that all users can read and write it, what would be the fstab mount option?
[05:35] <akrame> no
[05:35] <Seveas> douglas, simply mount it
[05:35] <akrame> this is hoary base system
[05:35] <Osiris> carlFK, heh no probs.
[05:36] <akrame> without X
[05:36] <Seveas> douglas, and run chmod -R 777 /the/mount/point
[05:36] <_eXoDuS> ...
[05:36] <_eXoDuS> without X?
[05:36] <Seveas> akrame, how did you install X?
[05:36] <ThE__OnE> whats the link for the bin folder?
[05:36] <_eXoDuS> and you are complaining X doesn't run?
[05:36] <akrame> apt-get install xserver-xorg
[05:36] <douglas> What about new files?
[05:36] <Seveas> akrame, duh...
[05:36] <akrame> and x-window-system-core
[05:36] <akrame> and gdm
[05:36] <Seveas> akrame, the X server alone is not enough..
[05:36] <ThE__OnE> nerver mind
[05:36] <Seveas> try gnome-desktop-environment
[05:37] <akrame> no
[05:37] <akrame> i don't want gnome
[05:37] <douglas> Seveas: What about new files, will I be able to write to it then?
[05:37] <carlFK> esd was running, I killed it.  but same error in yate
[05:37] <akrame> kde neither
[05:37] <Seveas> or whatever DE you like
[05:37] <akrame> i want enlightenement
[05:37] <ThE__OnE> gnome-desktop-environment? whats that?
[05:37] <cazabam> akrame: you can install X via any you want
[05:37] <_eXoDuS> ah
[05:37] <Seveas> akrame, install it then...
[05:37] <_eXoDuS> the guy that was on before
[05:37] <cazabam> akrame: just apt-get the DE ...
[05:37] <_eXoDuS> that can't even spell englightenment
[05:37] <akrame> _eXoDuS:  :)
[05:38] <akrame> any idea about why i don't have Xsession ?
[05:38] <Seveas> douglas, you need to set the group of the folder to users iirc
[05:38] <Seveas> akrame, because you didn't install a WM or DE...
[05:38] <akrame> i've install gdm and enlight...
[05:38] <Zukero> hmm
[05:38] <douglas> Seveas: How do I do that?
[05:38] <Zukero> maybe you can help me again
[05:39] <_eXoDuS> akrame: what makes you think gdm works with englightenment?
[05:39] <Zukero> this my problem is with Eclipse
[05:39] <akrame> nothin :)
[05:39] <_eXoDuS> akrame: ah ok
[05:39] <Seveas> akrame, you need to have xorg-common installed
[05:39] <Zukero> it doesn't find startup.jar
[05:39] <Zukero> but it is here
[05:39] <akrame> Seveas:  i have xorg-common
[05:39] <_eXoDuS> Seveas: i dont think gdm includes a session script for e
[05:39] <Seveas> akrame, well, then you installed it the wrong way...
[05:40] <carlFK> how do I tell what group a user is in?
[05:40] <Seveas> _eXhumed, the enlightenment package should provide that
[05:40] <lukus001> I just followed this post at ubuntu about install gimpshop, i followed it up to the point where it says "make" and i'm getting a "no rule to make targert 'install' " error,    what am i suposed to do?
[05:40] <Seveas> carlFK, groups username
[05:40] <ThE__OnE> how can i move something to the bin folder with terminal?
[05:40] <carlFK> Seveas, thanks
[05:40] <akrame> apt-get xorg-common
[05:40] <akrame> simple !
[05:40] <Seveas> Thanatermesis, mv whatever_you_want ~/.Trash
[05:40] <TiMiDo> ThE__OnE, mv
[05:41] <_eXoDuS> akrame: what about the install ?
[05:41] <VincentX> hi
[05:42] <akrame> which install ?
[05:42] <_eXoDuS> akrame: apt-get install xorg-common
[05:42] <lukus001> I keep getting a "no rule to make target 'install'" when following this post here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40427&page=1&pp=10 fo install GIMPshop... it tells me to paste "make" in the terminal...
[05:43] <chrissturm> exodus: what about the sudo ? :P
[05:43] <_eXoDuS> chrissturm: im assuming he is root
[05:43] <akrame> _eXoDuS:  done
[05:43] <_eXoDuS> chrissturm: i dont use sudo at al
[05:43] <akrame> wait i'll remove everythin
[05:43] <akrame> and try again
[05:44] <ThE__OnE> where is the startup folder located?
[05:44] <Tomcat_> Startup folder?
[05:44] <_eXoDuS> ThE__OnE: the what what?
[05:45] <Tomcat_> ThE__OnE: Automatically opening apps at Gnome login is in System=>Prefs=>Sessions
[05:45] <_eXoDuS> ah
[05:45] <_eXoDuS> rofl
[05:45] <_eXoDuS> startup folder...
[05:45] <ThE__OnE> i have a random wallpaper change and it tells me to put the file in the startup folder
[05:45] <Tomcat_> ThE__OnE: Okay, put the command in that Sessions thingy then.
[05:45] <_eXoDuS> ThE__OnE: you sure that's not for windows?
[05:46] <cazabam> chrissturm: did you get imagemagick to play? I am at work so I had to go do something :(
[05:46] <Tomcat_> But it sounds like windows, because there's no Linux Window Manager with a startup folder. :o
[05:46] <ThE__OnE> exodus, are you sure your on UBUNTU?
[05:46] <chrissturm> cazabam, thanks, worked great!
[05:46] <cd_dc> what about KDE
[05:46] <cazabam> cool :)
[05:46] <Tomcat_> cd_dc: Isn't it different in KDE as well?
[05:46] <tread> hi .. is anyone here from europe? do you know if hp has started selling the promised 100% ubuntu compatible laptops yet?
[05:46] <_eXoDuS> ThE__OnE: being a linux user for over 8 years, yes. i'm pretty sure where i am
[05:47] <cd_dc> I think it has a folder
[05:47] <Tomcat_> tread: My HP laptop is 100% Ubuntu compatible. :P
[05:47] <Seveas> tread, well, the hp nc6000 which i use is fully compatible :)
[05:47] <Seveas> including the led in the mute button!
[05:47] <Tomcat_> tread: Haven't found anything that wouldn't work so far... but I never tested everything
[05:47] <chrissturm> tread, i think that breezy will be the certified distro, but i am not 100% szre
[05:47] <ThE__OnE> having comon sense, i know what code iam looking it by "reading"
[05:47] <Zukero> can someone here help me launching Eclipse under ubuntu ?
[05:47] <Tomcat_> Seveas: Yeah same with nx9030 :)
[05:47] <Tomcat_> Even the WLAN LED! :)
[05:47] <tread> so do they sell it without windows then? thats the question really, i'm planning to buy one but cant buy one without windows here in the US
[05:48] <_eXoDuS> ThE__OnE: what common sense are you talking about when you ask about a start folder? (which is what windows has to start applications)
[05:48] <Seveas> Tomcat_, well, the wlan led is all hardware
[05:48] <ThE__OnE> exodus 1 sec
[05:48] <Tomcat_> Seveas: Not mine... mine is software.
[05:48] <tread> so i was thinking of getting a friend to buy and get when he comes here
[05:48] <Seveas> I just got the mutebutton led to work with an amixer trick :)
[05:48] <Seveas> Tomcat_, ah, mine is pure hardware..
[05:48] <InitMass> is it possible to choose which soundcard realplayer should use?
[05:48] <Tomcat_> Seveas: I have to start ipw2200 with led=1 or something. :] 
[05:49] <Seveas> lol :)
[05:49] <cazabam> zukero: what's the issue?
[05:49] <Zukero> eclipse doesn't find it's companiion startup.jar
[05:49] <Zukero> but
[05:49] <Zukero> it is here right where needed
[05:49] <chrissturm> zukero: what java version?
[05:50] <Zukero> with right owner and rwx mods
[05:50] <Razor-X> netsplit!
[05:50] <Zukero> 1.4.2
[05:50] <cazabam> are you launching eclipse from within it's own directory ?
[05:50] <Zukero> yep
[05:50] <cazabam> hmm
[05:50] <tread> focus people :) is it possible to buy an hp without windows in europe at the moment?
[05:50] <Razor-X> tread: doubt it
[05:50] <Zukero> well
[05:50] <Zukero> i checked
[05:50] <Zukero> and for java
[05:51] <ThE__OnE> -exodus, would you mind looking at http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/clasqm/ranwp.sh
[05:51] <tread> ah shucks. thanks for the answer ..
[05:51] <Razor-X> HP is very Windows bundled
[05:51] <Zukero> i have SableVM 1.1.8
[05:51] <ThE__OnE> _exodus, would you mind looking at http://mysite.mweb.co.za/residents/clasqm/ranwp.sh
[05:51] <Zukero> i tried ./eclipse with and without root console
[05:51] <Zukero> and even the double click on the executable
[05:52] <Zukero> always the same error
[05:52] <Zukero> The Eclipse executable launcher was unable to locate its
[05:52] <Zukero> companion startup.jar file (in the same directory as the executable).
[05:52] <cazabam> zukero: not tried with sablevm before
[05:52] <Razor-X> Zukero: try googling
[05:53] <Zukero> what is the package name for the Sun JRE in synaptics, if there is any ?
[05:53] <cazabam> zukero: info here: http://sablevm.org/wiki/Eclipse
[05:53] <Zukero> Razor-X : what's googling ?
[05:53] <cazabam> zukero: there is a special script
[05:53] <Razor-X> Zukero: sudo apt-get search foo
[05:53] <_eXoDuS> ThE__OnE: i dont see a startup folder mentioned anywhere
[05:53] <Razor-X> Zukero: ................
[05:53] <Zukero> ok thx cazabam
[05:53] <Zukero> ok
[05:53] <Razor-X> you've never heard of the search engine google?
[05:53] <Zukero> Razor-X
[05:53] <Zukero> :)
[05:54] <cazabam> zukero: the gist of it seems to be to but startup.jar in the classpath with a -cp option
[05:54] <Zukero> i thought it was some script or so
[05:54] <ThE__OnE> well he said put it with your startup things, adn so i thuogh he was refering about the startup folder
[05:54] <_eXoDuS> there's no STARTUP FOLDER in UNIX
[05:54] <_eXoDuS> what part of that you don't get?
[05:55] <dim_witted_kid> hello
[05:55] <_eXoDuS> ThE__OnE: you said the app said 'startup folder' now it means that you made that up
[05:55] <cazabam> zukero: yeah... just looking how it works...
[05:55] <dim_witted_kid> how do i change my screen from 640x480 to 1024x768?
[05:55] <dim_witted_kid> i just installed ubuntu
[05:55] <ThE__OnE> did you read my above comment?
[05:55] <_eXoDuS> ThE__OnE: what it's telling you is to add it to either crontab or your DE's startup settings, which as you were already told are in system->preferences->session
 well he said put it with your startup things, adn so i thuogh he was refering about the startup folder
[05:56] <ThE__OnE> settings?
[05:56] <Titan3025> hi all
[05:56] <ThE__OnE> now you lie
[05:56] <cmihai> Is anyone familiar with USB IrDA dongles (Like for transfering data to / from a Nokia telephone for example). I know the Gnokii program has a few things for transferring data, but I'm not sure if Linux supports such devices.
[05:56] <_eXoDuS> yes i did read your comment
[05:56] <zukalk> dim_witted_kid: have you tried System > Preferences > Screen resolution ?
[05:56] <ThE__OnE> "Then put it in a crontab or with your startup programs"
[05:56] <ThE__OnE> and program are usually put in a folder
[05:57] <ThE__OnE> the end.
[05:57] <_eXoDuS> ThE__OnE: yes, in WINDOWS
[05:57] <ThE__OnE> well DID you read my above comment?
[05:57] <ThE__OnE> iam a begginer in Linux
[05:57] <dim_witted_kid> the only option was 640x480, but my cars supports higher resolution than that
[05:57] <_eXoDuS> ThE__OnE: again? are you utterly stupid?
[05:57] <Titan3025> Sometimes the / filesystem is busy on shutdowns or reboots. therefor is is not umounted correctly. Any1 know this problem?
[05:57] <ThE__OnE> your just a troll
[05:57] <chrissturm> you guys should calm down
[05:58] <zukalk> dim_witted_kid, i think you can edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[05:58] <_eXoDuS> ThE__OnE: uhh, yeah, im a trolll.. sigh, carry one
[05:58] <ThE__OnE> no need to carry, only a basket is needed
[05:58] <dim_witted_kid> i did... my system crashed
[05:58] <_eXoDuS> ThE__OnE: I would suggest windows XP, it's what fits your IQ
[05:58] <Zukero> cazabam : how do i run such a script ?
[05:58] <zukalk> dim_witted_kid, what exactly did you do?
[05:58] <ThE__OnE> i would suggest mandrake for person like you
[05:58] <ninwa> _eXoDuS, That's unneccasary.
[05:59] <holycow> I'm finally starting to get decently productive on gnome 2.10 as a development platform
[05:59] <Titan3025> hehe
[05:59] <_eXoDuS> ThE__OnE: being a debian developer, no thanks, i stick with debian
[05:59] <holycow> its really kinda  cool in terms of workflow
[05:59] <cazabam> zukero: you need  to create a script in the eclipse folder and create a text file (call it eclipse-sable or something)
[05:59] <cazabam> zukero: put the script from the wiki into that file and make the file executable
[05:59] <dim_witted_kid> i removed all other sub entries for other bit depth setting and retained only the 24 bit depth setting and retained only the 1024x768 resolution
[06:00] <_eXoDuS> ninwa: i know, but he's pissed me off
[06:00] <dim_witted_kid> after that x would not start and i could not log in
[06:00] <Zukero> ok
[06:00] <zukalk> dim_witted_kid, what's your gfx card and what drivers are you using?
[06:00] <cazabam> zukero: make sure you update JAVA and ECLIPSE_HOME lines at the top of the file to point to your real java and eclipse
[06:00] <Titan3025> Can any1 help me with this unclean shutdown problem on Ubuntu (where the / device is busy)? Plz
[06:00] <Zukero> yeah np
[06:00] <ninwa> _eXoDuS, Didn't you see the "Don't feed the Troll" sign? Hehe, he'll go back to his bridge soon enough.
[06:00] <ninwa> :o)
[06:00] <dim_witted_kid> nvidia tnt riva 64
[06:00] <Seveas> _eXoDuS, ThE__OnE and everyone please cool down...
[06:01] <dim_witted_kid> and i'm not sure about the driver
[06:01] <_eXoDuS> ninwa: heh
[06:01] <zukalk> dim_witted_kid, under Section "Device", what's the "Driver"?
[06:01] <zukalk> in the xorg.conf file, that is
[06:02] <dim_witted_kid> sorry i don't remember
[06:02] <zukalk> well, check it
[06:02] <dim_witted_kid> i can't log on ubuntu
[06:02] <dim_witted_kid> i can't log in
[06:02] <Razor-X> why can't you log in?
[06:02] <zukalk> dim_witted_kid, login using recovery mode
[06:02] <ThE__OnE> how do i move a lot of my wallpapers i dwonloaded to the backgrounds folder?
[06:02] <Seveas> dim_witted_kid, you can login on the text console if the graphical user interface doesn't work
[06:02] <Razor-X> just because X fails to load, Ubuntu still works
[06:03] <zukalk> right
[06:03] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, sudo mv -i *.jpg /use/share/backgrounds/
[06:03] <Razor-X> ThE__OnE: same as you do any other moving operation
[06:03] <ThE__OnE> a lot
[06:03] <dim_witted_kid> how do i do that?
[06:03] <ThE__OnE> like over 30
[06:03] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, please...
[06:03] <Seveas> over 30 isn't a lot
[06:03] <Razor-X> ThE__OnE: this isn't Windows
[06:03] <_eXoDuS> some people shouldn't be allowed to get on irc :/
[06:03] <Razor-X> in Linux, you don't transfer things one at a time
[06:03] <Seveas> _eXoDuS, stop it...
[06:03] <Razor-X> haven't you ever used DOS?
[06:03] <_eXoDuS> instead they should be locked in a room with a big unix manual
[06:03] <ThE__OnE> is there a command where you can move the contains of a folder to another?
[06:04] <_eXoDuS> Seveas: hey, im not pulling names
[06:04] <gleapsite> hello
[06:04] <zukalk> dim_witted_kid, when you start Ubuntu and X crashes, press Ctrl+Alt+F1
[06:04] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, please read what we say
[06:04] <Razor-X> ThE__OnE: ever used wildcards?.... or DOS?
[06:04] <Seveas> of you want all the details: man mv
[06:04] <Seveas> if*
[06:04] <drspin> hey all -- I'm trying to make my multimedia keys work in XFCE -- I've created .Xmodmap -- added it to .xsession and it doesn't work :/
[06:04] <ThE__OnE> kk
[06:04] <Seveas> _eXoDuS, no but I am
[06:04] <dim_witted_kid> thanks zukalk
[06:04] <Seveas> keep it down, this is a newbie-friendly channel
[06:04] <dim_witted_kid> you've been very helpful
[06:05] <zukalk> you're wellcome
[06:05] <carlFK> user is in the audio group, ess is not running, but I still get "Unable to open /dev/dsp: Permission denied"
[06:05] <Razor-X> drspin: try setxkbmap
[06:05] <amonkey> on my laptop, i was untaring something and all of a sudden it starting beeping like crazy and when it was done (i didn't stop it), all the characters i type are wrong. they come up as symbols.
[06:05] <zukalk> dim_witted_kid, just tell me how it went
[06:05] <carlFK> amonkey, sounds like you untar ed it to stdout (the console)
[06:05] <Seveas> amonkey, how exactly did you untar?
[06:05] <Razor-X> Seveas: still, I tihnk Wildcard usage is a neccessary prerequisite before Linux
[06:05] <drspin> Razor-X: Just tun it?
[06:06] <ThE__OnE> _exodus, for your info i got Linux Bible 2005 that i orders, and iam jsut waiting for it
[06:06] <Razor-X> drspin: add in keysyms, basically
[06:06] <ThE__OnE> ordered*
[06:06] <mbirkis> where is the ubuntu torrent?
[06:06] <cjs> one LED left! damned mail ;)
[06:06] <ThE__OnE> no one is born with knwing everything like you _exodus
[06:06] <carlFK> how can I test that my user has access to /dev/dsp?
[06:06] <bob2> mbirkis: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[06:06] <amonkey> carlFK, you're right, i just realizedi forgot to pipe it
[06:06] <mbirkis> bob2: thnx
[06:06] <Razor-X> Seveas: my dad taught me about wildcards back when I was 6 ;)
[06:06] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, good, read that book carefully :)
[06:07] <ThE__OnE> yes i wil
[06:07] <carlFK> amonkey, normaly you don't need to pipe - you doing something odd?
[06:07] <dim_witted_kid> i will
[06:07] <amonkey> carlFK, any idea how to uncharacter it? should i just reboot? commands work even i f a can't read them
[06:07] <dim_witted_kid> thanks :)
[06:07] <zukalk> :)
[06:07] <amonkey> carlFK, i was following a guide and it said to gzip -d < *.tgz | tar vxf -
[06:07] <_eXoDuS> ThE__OnE: no, but some lucky of us have learnt to read and pay attention
[06:07] <carlFK> amonkey, yeah... there is a command to send a reset command to the console...
[06:07] <chrissturm> whats the name of the nokia telephone that runs gnome?
[06:07] <bob2> it's not a phone
[06:08] <bob2> but it's the Nokia 770
[06:08] <Seveas> _eXoDuS, for the last time, keep it down...
[06:08] <_eXoDuS> he's the one that keeps bringing it up
[06:08] <zukalk> yeah, stop acting like kids
[06:08] <wendy> whats a good stats OSD for ubuntu? Is there one that I can install with apt-get?
[06:08] <zukalk> lol
[06:08] <Seveas> please cool down...
[06:09] <drspin> Razor-X: It seems that when I try and bind the keys in XFCE, they are all being read as the same key...
[06:09] <Seveas> amonkey, that guide was bad, you should use tar zxvf *.tgz
[06:09] <Razor-X> drspin: you sure you have the right Keysyms?
[06:09] <Cygnia> Does anyone know of a way to get Linux to boot on an iMac G5 (Rev. B)?
[06:09] <Seveas> saves you a pipe and these shell problems :)
[06:09] <Razor-X> I'm not sure how you bind keys in XFce, actually, I was talking about a global X bind
[06:09] <Seveas> wendy, what do you mean with "stats OSD"?
[06:10] <amonkey> Seveas, is that better than the other way? i think the only reason it didn't work was that i didn't pipe it.
[06:10] <amonkey> carlFK, reset did the trick
[06:10] <Seveas> carlFK, it saves you starting a process and using a pipe
[06:10] <justin> amonkey: what is this "guide" that you are following?
[06:10] <Seveas> and imho it's cleaner :)
[06:10] <carlFK> amonkey, oh good, I couldn't find the command I was looking for
[06:10] <TiMiDo> he
[06:10] <carlFK> Seveas, guessing you meant that for someone else
[06:11] <amonkey> carlFK, according to this, it's the same as echo -e \\033c
[06:11] <amonkey> justin, building xfree from source
[06:11] <drspin> Razor-X: xev to find them and direct copy and paste from /usr/lib/X11/XKeysymDB
[06:11] <Razor-X> just to let you know amonkey, piping is ineffecient
[06:11] <Seveas> carlFK, eh yes, for amonkey :)
[06:11] <justin> amonkey: why would you go and do something dumb like that?
[06:11] <Razor-X> Dreadshoot: yeah, that's global X, i'm pretty sure
[06:11] <Razor-X> errr
[06:11] <carlFK> Seveas, I am trying to get yate to work with dsp and gettign "permission denied"
[06:12] <Razor-X> damned tab-complete!
[06:12] <Razor-X> drspin, sorry
[06:12] <TiMiDo> damn xfonts-100dpi
[06:12] <amonkey> justin, although i run ubuntu on my desktop i needed something a little less heavy for my laptop (not much ram, 300mhz). dsl's tinyx wouldn't run on my laptop's trident videocard, but i read newer version of xfree could
[06:12] <carlFK> when I add a user to a group, I don't have to restart bash or anything, right?
[06:13] <psh1> hi all. i'm trying to grab all deb's from a directory with wget, but having trouble. anyone know the syntax?
[06:13] <amonkey> and apt-get isn't installed for some wereason
[06:13] <psh1> i'm trying:wget -r -l 1 --no-parent http://urlhere
[06:13] <amonkey> psh1, *.deb?
[06:13] <carlFK> psh1, you need an index.html like thing
[06:13] <justin> amonkey: how is ubuntu too heavy for your laptop?
[06:13] <carlFK> psh1, at least the server needs to generate the list of files, or you need to know the list...
[06:14] <drspin> Razor-X: so it seems that .xsession isn't being called at startup ?!? odd -- I manually ran the xmodmap command using my Xmodmap file and they work now
[06:14] <psh1> carlFK, so there's no way of just getting the whole directory, regardless of index.html?
[06:14] <Razor-X> drspin: not sure why.... *shrugs*
[06:14] <ninwa> justin, I can see how it's too heavy if he's on a 300mhz with little RAM
[06:14] <psh1> carlFK, like mirroring it? it doesnt matter about getting only rpm's in that case
[06:14] <amonkey> justin, you think it would run well?
[06:14] <amonkey> thanks guys, g2g
[06:14] <carlFK> psh1, no way.  something has to know the name of the to GET
[06:15] <justin> amonkey: how much ram is not much?
[06:15] <drspin> Razor-X: no worries -- got em working :)
[06:15] <carlFK> psh1, even when you cp, bash translates * into the list of files
[06:15] <mbirkis> i get error when trying to connect to the tracker: Requested download is not authorised for use with this tracker. what could be wrong?
[06:15] <carlFK> not sure how ftp does *
[06:16] <wendy> seveas: like samurize for windows...  I've looked at gDesklets and gKrellM, but i can't install them with apt, and i'm not that good at installing from scratch yet
[06:16] <Seveas> wendy, gdesklets are definitely installable with apt-get
[06:16] <bob2> wendy: both are installable from apt
[06:16] <gorilla_> carlFK, depends on the ftp server, mget * would probably evaluate to all files like shells do.
[06:17] <Seveas> wendy, you might need to enable universe though
[06:17] <TiMiDo> wendy: apt-get install gkrellm gdesklets
[06:17] <wendy> let me run that, i'll get back to you
[06:17] <TiMiDo> alright,
[06:18] <JuNkPhreak|UnIx> Hola all
[06:18] <Seveas> hi
[06:18] <wendy> root@ubuntu:/home/wendy # apt-get install gdesklets
[06:18] <wendy> Reading package lists... Done
[06:18] <wendy> Building dependency tree... Done
[06:18] <wendy> E: Couldn't find package gdesklets
[06:18] <Seveas> wendy, enable universe then
[06:18] <Seveas> wendy: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:18] <Seveas> wendy: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[06:18] <TiMiDo> can she do apt-setup?
[06:19] <AnguS> hello! i have trouble with my tv card... i set up tvtime, but somehow the tv card seems not to get any signal... however in windows it works without problems. any suggestions?
[06:19] <AnguS> it's a bt848 based tv card
[06:19] <Seveas> TiMiDo, apt-setup is buggy, on my machine it still wants to set warty..
[06:19] <TiMiDo> AnguS: are you using framebutter?
[06:20] <carlFK> does aplay use esd?
[06:20] <AnguS> TiMiDo: no idea
[06:20] <AnguS> (you mean framebuffer i guess?)
[06:20] <TiMiDo> yeah
[06:20] <TiMiDo> sorry about that
[06:20] <AnguS> well i have no idea
[06:20] <AnguS> just know that my bt878 had image but no sound, and this 848 has nothing at all :(
[06:20] <justin> AnguS: bttv driver usually gets the tuner type wrong
[06:21] <carlFK> no.  ok, i thought I could run aplay as a user, but now only root can
[06:21] <AnguS> i see
[06:21] <AnguS> how can i manually specify the tuner?
[06:22] <justin> AnguS: tuner option to bttv module.. 2 is usually what you want
[06:22] <AnguS> justin: and where do i set that, if i may ask :D
[06:22] <justin> AnguS: /etc/modules usually
[06:23] <justin> just add/change 'bttv tuner=2'
[06:23] <AnguS> uh, bttv is not even there =) ok
[06:23] <wendy> great, thanks seveas,  synaptic is now downloading and installing
[06:23] <Lafitte-> what would i check if i can see my linux shares in windows and get a login but cant login ?     i have users and password allowed for samba
[06:23] <Seveas> you're welcome :)
[06:26] <carlFK> aplay error: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/140
[06:27] <carlFK> but I am just tryting to figure out if my user/group rights are right... is that a good test?
[06:28] <mbirkis> what does this meen?: Requested download is not authorised for use with this tracker.
[06:29] <jorgp> heh nvu just segfaulted
[06:29] <carlFK> mbirkis, it means the tracker only allows torrents it knows about, and the one you are using isn't on the list
[06:29] <carlFK> mbirkis, aka: something is hosed
[06:29] <mbirkis> carlFK: hmm... what list? can i add to the list?
[06:30] <AnguS> uh i have a little problem, my dmesg is full of these errors: powernow-k8: vid trans failed, vid 0x3, curr 0x4
[06:30] <AnguS> powernow-k8: transition frequency failed
[06:30] <carlFK> mbirkis, only if you have access to the tracker
[06:30] <carlFK> mbirkis, so if you are asking, probably not ;)
[06:30] <AnguS> how can i fix this?
[06:30] <mbirkis> carlFK: it is the ubuntu tracker
[06:30] <mbirkis> :(
[06:30] <linuxnub> hi
[06:30] <carlFK> mbirkis, they seem to have troubles with BT
[06:31] <linuxnub> can i ask here for ubuntu trouble shooting?
[06:33] <AMDXP> hello folks
[06:33] <carlFK> linuxnub, yes.
[06:33] <mbirkis> carlFK: is there any other trackers available?
[06:33] <linuxnub> my problem: while booting i have the "grub error 18"
[06:34] <linuxnub> how can i change to lilo?
[06:34] <bob2> mbirkis: the ubuntu tracker is down?
[06:34] <mbirkis> bob2: Requested download is not authorised for use with this tracker.
[06:34] <AMDXP> linuxnub: ask away someone maybe able to help you or at least point you in the right way
[06:34] <mbirkis> bob2: that is the message i get
[06:34] <mbirkis> bob2: this is the amd64 tracker
[06:35] <linuxnub> ???
[06:35] <bob2> mbirkis: on cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[06:35] <mbirkis> bob2: yes
[06:35] <bob2> mbirkis: ok, thanks
[06:36] <jfk303> How can I connect to the bearshare (or whatever that connects too) network in ubuntu? Thanks..
[06:36] <AMDXP> grub error 18 i am not familiar with error
[06:36] <linuxnub> is it the wrong place fr my question?
[06:37] <bob2> linuxnub: what have you changed since it last worked?
[06:37] <bob2> mbirkis: do other torrents work for you? I'm not getting an error from it.
[06:37] <mbirkis> bob2: 1sec... will check
[06:37] <carlFK> mbirkis, what is the URL you got the torrent from?
[06:38] <mbirkis> carlFK: cdimage.ubuntu.com the amd64 5.04 torrent
[06:38] <linuxnub> it never worked
[06:39] <linuxnub> sorry my english...
[06:39] <carlFK> mbirkis, there are no torrents at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/
[06:39] <linuxnub> i just installed it today
[06:39] <Kurt2x> ubuntu eh
[06:40] <carlFK> mbirkis, what is the whole URL of the torrent you are tying to use?
[06:41] <mbirkis> carlFK: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/5.04/array-7/hoary-install-amd64.iso.torrent
[06:41] <mbirkis> bob2: the fedora torrent works for med
[06:41] <mbirkis> *me
[06:42] <carlFK> array-7?
[06:42] <bob2> mbirkis: er, that's really really really old
[06:42] <battlecat> Hi General question. I am about to reinstall UBUNTU and I was wondering what is the best way to partition and format the 20 gig drive? Any tips, pointers, advice, or links would be wonderful! :) Thank you.
[06:42] <Tonglebeak> i tried using https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto to set up wifi, but the thing is, linux doesn't even know that a network card is attached to the computer
[06:42] <mbirkis> bob2: what is really really old?
[06:42] <bob2> mbirkis: that torrent
[06:43] <bob2> mbirkis: I'm not surprisde it doesn't work
[06:43] <mbirkis> bob2: lead me the right way! :)
[06:43] <neighborlee> anyway to fix this er ror when running synaptic from : admin > synatpic ?? ::: unable to copy the users Xauthorization file
[06:43] <neighborlee> last question would be what caused this to happen ?
[06:43] <battlecat> Also is there a way when installing Ubuntu to specify not to install the office packages?
[06:44] <bob2> mbirkis: http://releases.ubuntu.com/hoary/
[06:45] <mbirkis> bob2: thnx alot... can't wait to get ubuntu installed :)
[06:45] <dash> don't use breezy? _now_ they tell me. ;->
[06:45] <zukalk> lol
[06:46] <Tonglebeak> can i get some help with my network card
[06:46] <battlecat> Is there a FTP site where you can download ISO CDs of popular packages?
[06:46] <zukalk> Tonglebeak, what card is it?
[06:46] <dash> guess i'm doomed, then
[06:47] <Tonglebeak> Blitzz 802.11 WLAN ...it's not even detected by linux as being a network card, as if it's not plugged in
[06:47] <linuxnub> hallo?
[06:47] <nalioth_wrkn> linuxnub: hello
[06:47] <zukalk> did you follow any tutorials?
[06:47] <zukalk> ndiswrapper should do it, let me find the link
[06:48] <Tonglebeak> i followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto , but that seemed to be just if linux even detected that a network card exists
[06:48] <Tonglebeak> the link to ndiswrapper ... the page said not to do what it says, until it's rewritten
[06:49] <nalioth> brb
[06:50] <zukalk> Tonglebeak, it worked for me
[06:50] <zukalk> dunno what they say it's not the right method
[06:50] <zukalk> you make the deb from the source and install it
[06:50] <bob2> no
[06:50] <bob2> that's silly
[06:50] <Tonglebeak> zukalk, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto is what said it isn't the right thing
[06:50] <bob2> unless you're sure your card isn't supported by the version in ubuntu
[06:51] <Tonglebeak> oh well, i should od it anyways?
[06:51] <Tonglebeak> *do
[06:51] <zukalk> i dunno, i'm just a newb
[06:52] <Seveas> Tonglebeak, the easy and correct way to setup ndiswrapper is apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[06:52] <Seveas> and simply running ndiswrapper -i <your inffile>
[06:53] <Tonglebeak> Seveas: being new to linux, what is <inffile>?
[06:53] <stjepan> hi
[06:53] <stjepan> where can I download JRE for Ubuntu?
[06:53] <stjepan> I need it to run eclipse
[06:53] <nightswim> java.sun.com
[06:53] <Seveas> Tonglebeak, the file which name ends on .inf that comes with your windows driver
[06:53] <Seveas> stjepan: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[06:54] <stjepan> tnx
[06:54] <Tonglebeak> Seveas: alright, i'll try that
[06:56] <stjepan> Seveas, what .bin file?
[06:56] <carlFK> play gives "sox: Can't open output file '/dev/dsp': Permission denied"
[06:57] <Seveas> stjepan, you need to download the 'linux self extracting installer'
[06:57] <carlFK> but the user is in the audio group, and I can't find anything using dsp
[06:57] <Seveas> it's named js2dk-VERSION.bin
[06:57] <stjepan> Seveas, I see
[06:57] <stjepan> tnx
[06:58] <Tonglebeak> Seveas: will this load the driver on bootup also?
[06:58] <Seveas> Tonglebeak, no, you need to: echo ndiswrapper | tee -a '/etc/modules'
[06:58] <Seveas> Tonglebeak, no, you need to: echo ndiswrapper | sudo tee -a '/etc/modules'
[06:58] <Seveas> just type that last command only once
[06:58] <Tonglebeak> ok
[06:59] <Seveas> and it will then be loaded on every boot
[06:59] <Seveas> to see whether the driver works, you can try ndiswrapper -l
[06:59] <Seveas> just to be sure, do: sudo ndiswrapper -m
[06:59] <djp> Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic: Child terminated with 108 status - Does anyone know why i get this message when i exit synaptic? everything works fine, however i do get this message every so often...
[06:59] <Seveas> that last one only once
[06:59] <Tonglebeak> ok
[06:59] <Seveas> djp, try starting synaptic from a terminal with sudo synaptic
[07:00] <Seveas> it'll probably give you more info
[07:00] <carlFK> how bad is it to chmod 777 dsp?
[07:00] <dr_willis> hmm.. better to ask why you are doing that? :P
[07:01] <carlFK> dr_willis, well, the user is in the audio group, but i get "perm denied"
[07:01] <dr_willis> I belive theres a ubuntu sound wiki   that covers what you need to do.
[07:02] <Seveas> carlFK, that's odd
[07:02] <carlFK> Seveas, ineed.
[07:02] <carlFK> er... indeed.
[07:02] <Seveas> chmod 777 will not help much either I guess
[07:02] <Seveas> and more importantly, that chmod is lost on reboot
[07:02] <djp> Seveas: i have to use my password when i run synaptic from gnome, how will using sudo from the command prompt help?
[07:03] <Seveas> djp, the password is asked by gksudo, not by synaptic itself
[07:03] <carlFK> Seveas, 666 did.  664 did not.
[07:03] <Seveas> odd
[07:03] <Seveas> is /dev/dsp owned by root:audio?
[07:03] <djp> Seveas: so you think that is where the error is coming from? apologies Seveas, i don't really understand... please excuse my ignorance...
[07:04] <dr_willis> Mine looks like --->>>>      crw-rw----  1 root audio 14, 3 2005-06-20 11:28 /dev/dsp
[07:04] <carlFK> aww crap.  apparently I need to restart bash when I add a user to a group?
[07:04] <Seveas> djp, no I even think that that's not where the error is coming from, butusually programs write diagnostic info to the terminal. That's why I asked you to run it from the terminal
[07:05] <Seveas> carlFK, that might indeed be the case../.
[07:05] <carlFK> Seveas, im surprised.
[07:05] <dr_willis> yea. loging out/backin - or i think theres some command to change from one group to another.
[07:05] <carlFK> but I put dsp back to 660 and user carl can play sound.wav
[07:06] <Seveas> nice
[07:06] <Seveas> you will need to logout&login too for the new group being noticed globally i guess
[07:06] <djp> Seveas: oh i see, sorry! have tried running from command line, but no problems. it doesn't happen all that often, infact this is the second time i have noticed the error message. it may be something to do with leaving synaptic open for a long period. i had left it runnung and gone on the school run to pick up my eldest son you see... ;)
[07:07] <Seveas> djp, even then it should not happen :)
[07:07] <Seveas> doesn't it give more errorinfo?
[07:08] <TiMiDo> djp: can you pasted the error some where on a webpage?
[07:09] <djp> Seveas: no. that error message i posted prevoiusly was the total sum of the error message. obviously when i ran synaptic from the command line there was no error message as it ran fine...
[07:09] <Seveas> :)
[07:10] <TiMiDo> you can't run synaptic from a command line is graphical that's why
[07:10] <TiMiDo> isn't it?
[07:10] <djp> TiMiDo: sure
[07:10] <djm62> TiMiDo: you can run it /from/ the command line
[07:10] <TiMiDo> yeah i know =)
[07:10] <Seveas> TiMiDo, you're thinking too dos-like :)
[07:10] <Seveas> sudo synaptic works fine :)
[07:10] <djm62> yeah, you need to think more longhorn/monad ;)
[07:11] <mbruemmer> having a problem with with ibook g4, that is at boot of hoary :[radeonfb (0000:00:10.0) invalid ROM signature 0 should be0xaa55
[07:11] <mbruemmer> ] 
[07:11] <djp> TiMiDo: Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic: Child terminated with 108 status, was all that it said though...
[07:11] <mbruemmer> sombody here who cann help me?
[07:11] <TiMiDo> djp: do ps x and see if is running
[07:12] <str> anyone using monodevelop?
[07:12] <cabajgtr> booting the ibook of the CD or HD?
[07:12] <mbruemmer> hd boot
[07:12] <cabajgtr> hmm, i haven't installed it on my ibook, but had no probs with the livecd
[07:12] <djp> TiMiDo: see if what is running?
[07:13] <nalioth> mbruemmer: does it continue to boot?
[07:13] <TiMiDo> the sypnatic child
[07:13] <mbruemmer> ofcause else i didnt write to you
[07:13] <nalioth> mbruemmer: i get that error every time, but my ibook boots on up
[07:14] <mbruemmer> same with me
[07:14] <mbruemmer> but how to solve this invalid ROM
[07:14] <Flickie> need help please, got my speedtouch modem working but now it doesnt work :S
[07:14] <nalioth> mbruemmer: that error is early on in the boot process, right?
[07:15] <mbruemmer> yes
[07:15] <djp> TiMiDo: 21933 ? S 0:00 gksudo /usr/sbin/synaptic - that is reported by running ps x if i have synaptic running
[07:15] <TiMiDo> djp: kill -9 21933
[07:15] <TiMiDo> and try running it again
[07:15] <djm62> Flickie: when did it stop working?
[07:15] <Seveas> TiMiDo, you are misunderstanding the problem...
[07:16] <TiMiDo> yeah big time sorry
[07:16] <Seveas> the problem was that synaptic sometimes exited with a strange exitcode
[07:16] <Flickie> djm62: well i configured it yesturday and when i tunrf off Ubuntu and then logged back in it doesnt work now
[07:16] <djp> Seveas: thanks
[07:16] <Seveas> and I think it's indeed due to being open for too long
[07:16] <TiMiDo> so maybe is a bug?
[07:16] <nalioth> mbruemmer: did it just start happening?
[07:17] <Seveas> It might just be a feature of Synaptic :)
[07:17] <djp> Seveas: :)
[07:17] <gorilla_> Seveas, that would depend on whether it is documented or not :-)
[07:17] <djm62> Flickie: how are you trying to start it?
[07:17] <Seveas> gorilla_, that's why I am diving in the docs now ;)
[07:18] <mbruemmer> yes for the first time i was runnig hoary, but everything is working (except xmms & suspending)
[07:18] <Flickie> djm62: well it said it had configured it to boot on load and the lights light up on the modem so i think its getting a connection
[07:18] <nalioth> mbruemmer: do you dual boot?
[07:19] <djm62> Flickie: can you type ifconfig at a terminal, to see what linux thinks you have?
[07:19] <mbruemmer> no linux is my only system
[07:19] <Seveas> mbruemmer, let's guess: xmms hangs when trying to play a file?
[07:19] <Flickie> ok i'll go try
[07:19] <Flickie> brb
[07:20] <djp> Seveas: thanks for the help by the way... i will keep an eye on when i next get that error message, if at all
[07:20] <mbruemmer> yes i tryed to solve it by loading oss and als support via synaptic
[07:20] <Seveas> mbruemmer, simply set the output plugin in xmms to esound
[07:20] <TiMiDo> djp: i'm looking for the error hold up
[07:20] <mbruemmer> but i think i installes it in a wrong depency?
[07:21] <mbruemmer> i have been tryed but no one of the plugins will work
[07:22] <djp> TiMiDo: oh, ok. thanks
[07:23] <nalioth> mbruemmer: was just wondering (moot now) if OSX worked
[07:23] <SogniX> anyone know how i can launch firefox from the command line specifying gemoetry? -geometry 800x400+0+0 seems to do nothing :(
[07:24] <mbruemmer> nalioth: excuse me i nativly speak english what is "moot"
[07:24] <dr_willis> i thought the -geometery options was for the 'old fashioned' kind of X apps. :P
[07:24] <nalioth> mbruemmer: moot = irrevelant
[07:24] <dr_willis> SogniX,  may be also the window manager is rembering its last size/position  and restoreing it.
[07:24] <SogniX> oh... I see... so what would work for the new kind of xapps
[07:25] <dr_willis> SogniX,  check 'firefox -help'
[07:25] <SogniX> dr_willis that's what I was thinking too, except I did get an app to respect my settings
[07:25] <dr_willis> -height <value>   is an option :P
[07:25] <SogniX> saw that, but that didn't work either :(
[07:26] <dr_willis> -width <value>    also.
[07:26] <dr_willis> Hmm - sounds liek the window manager may be remebering/rstoreing perhaps
[07:26] <mbruemmer> nalioth: thx for easy translate ( i forgot the not before the word english so i nativly speak german)
[07:26] <TiMiDo> can't find the error djp
[07:27] <Cooner750> um; hi.. i'm back
[07:27] <mbruemmer> nalioth: so does the radeonfb  error message harm my system? or what does it mean?
[07:27] <nalioth> mbruemmer: kein problem
[07:27] <nalioth> mbruemmer: if your system boots up, then no problem
[07:28] <mbruemmer> nalioth: deine muttersprache ist auch deutsch?
[07:28] <nalioth> mbruemmer: i don't know what it means
[07:29] <nalioth> mbruemmer: i spent 6 years in germany (over 10 years ago)
[07:29] <djp> TiMiDo: no problem. thanks for looking though
[07:29] <Flickaroo> djm62: heh what am i looking for when i type ifconfig?
[07:30] <TiMiDo> djp: there's no more errors ?
[07:30] <mbruemmer> nalioth: that meant in en: is your native language german
[07:30] <djp> TiMiDo: it is probably something to do with leaving synaptic running for a long period of time
[07:30] <djm62> Flickaroo: "lo" will always be there, you want a section (probably eth0) which might not be
[07:30] <nalioth> mbruemmer: nien, ich bin americana
[07:30] <djp> TiMiDo: nope, that was it it. it actually worked and did exactly what it was supposed to do, however on exit, that error message. strange.
[07:30] <nalioth> mbruemmer: and can't spell german anymore, lol
[07:31] <Flickaroo> djm62: i get lo
[07:31] <djtansey> does anyone know if there is a way to prevent windows from overwriting your linux partition when it installs?
[07:31] <djm62> ok, linux says you don't have networking up
[07:31] <djtansey> i ran grub-install /dev/hda1 by accident and need to reinstall windows, since i can no longer boot it
[07:31] <Flickaroo> djm62: argh i hate usb modems!
[07:31] <nJess> i need dvdplayback help
[07:32] <djm62> Flickaroo: yeah...what guide were you following to set it up?
[07:32] <pixman> nJess, checked the wiki? O_o
[07:32] <nJess> mplayer keeps saying "cannot access dvd device"
[07:32] <nalioth> nJess: read what ubotu says
[07:32] <nalioth> !Restricted
[07:32] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:32] <nJess> no
[07:32] <nJess> not that
[07:32] <mbruemmer> nalioth: ok thak you for your help and even if you have any experiance with ibook hardware why does my xmms sound not work
[07:32] <nJess> it won't access the hardware, and it used to work before i upgraded to hoary
[07:33] <cartman>  is there a packages.debian.org like site for ubuntu?
[07:33] <Flickaroo> djm62: http://speedtouchconf.sourceforge.net/
[07:33] <nJess> the wiki doesn't help me
[07:33] <Seveas> cartman, packages.ubuntu.com :)
[07:33] <cartman> Seveas: cheers :)
[07:33] <nalioth> mbruemmer: hang on a minute
[07:34] <nalioth> mbruemmer: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary
[07:34] <nJess> the restricted formats wiki thing doesn't help me at all
[07:34] <nalioth> nJess: cuz your system isn't 'seeing' the drive
[07:34] <nalioth> nJess: with teh dvd in it
[07:34] <nJess> the dvd shows up on gnome desktop
[07:35] <nalioth> nJess: point to another drive in your player
[07:35] <nJess> i only hve one drive
[07:35] <nalioth> nJess: i've only got one physical drive, also, but my filesystem shows 5 devices
[07:35] <nalioth> nJess: look in /media
[07:36] <neighborlee> anyway to fix this er ror when running synaptic from : admin > synatpic ?? ::: unable to copy the users Xauthorization file
[07:36] <neighborlee> last question would be what caused this to happen ?
[07:36] <djm62> Flickaroo: if you run the speedtouchconf.sh script again, does it go online?
[07:36] <billytwowilly> hi, where do I have to put the mplayer codecs package so that mplayer will find it?
[07:36] <^HeMan^> Hi! Anyone using mDNS?
[07:37] <^HeMan^> It works fine, but it depends on ZeroConf, is there any way to turn off ZeroConf?
[07:37] <TiMiDo> djp: can you do me a favor so i can see what's going on with synaptic do su passwd and then try running synaptic or sudo synaptic
[07:38] <Flickaroo> djm62: no it doesnt but i just read "http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26017&highlight=speedtouch+330" <-- the last post but i dont know what ppoatm is
[07:38] <d0rt> point to point over atm maybe?
[07:38] <nJess> nalioth, yey, i think it might be working
[07:39] <Flickaroo> d0rt: only just started using Linux yesturday so how do i add it :S
[07:39] <Flickaroo> d0rt: hardly know any commands
[07:39] <ciocanel> just changed my matrox with a intel 810, and x fails to load, can anyone give me a hint?
[07:39] <TiMiDo> add what?
[07:40] <Flickaroo> TiMiDo: ppoatm to etc/moduls
[07:40] <TiMiDo> nano /etc/modules and added ppoatm
[07:40] <mhz> hi/hola
[07:40] <nJess> hmmm
[07:41] <nJess> nalioth, its not working
[07:41] <TiMiDo> try this ciocanel dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
[07:41] <nJess> mplayer locked up
[07:41] <nJess> and xine gives some error about MRL
[07:41] <mhz> i've just installed Ubuntu 5.04
[07:41] <mhz> what plugins i need to play mp3 and dvd?
[07:41] <ciocanel> TiMiDo, okay...
[07:41] <Flickaroo> TiMiDo: so i type in the terminal "nano /etc/modukles added ppoatm" ?
[07:41] <TiMiDo> nope just nano /etc/modules
[07:42] <Flickaroo> ok and that should add ppoatm to it?
[07:42] <Seveas> ciocanel, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg if you are on hoary
[07:42] <ciocanel> :-)
[07:42] <ciocanel> ok, thanks.
[07:42] <TiMiDo> Flickaroo: not really nano is just an editor
[07:42] <nalioth> nJess: try with another player
[07:42] <Flickaroo> oh ok well i'll try again later, thanks for all your help :)
[07:42] <nalioth> mhz ubotu will tell you
[07:42] <nalioth> !Restricted
[07:42] <ubotu> methinks restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:42] <Seveas> Flickaroo, the easy way to add somethin is: echo 'ppoatm' | sudo tee -a /etc/modules
[07:43] <TiMiDo> or modprobe *smiles*
[07:43] <nJess> nalioth, what is mrl?
[07:43] <delire> media resource locator
[07:43] <nalioth> nJess: Media Resource Locator
[07:43] <Chris`Everitt> does Ubuntu make a default 'root' user upon installation?
[07:43] <delire> no
[07:43] <nJess> perhaps that is broken?
[07:43] <Seveas> Chris`Everitt: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:43] <ngd> !Root
[07:43] <ubotu> well, root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[07:43] <djm62> Chris`Everitt: root always exists, he just doesn't have a passwd
[07:43] <Seveas> yes, it creates the 'root' user
[07:43] <justin> nJess: how did you try and play the dvd?
[07:44] <Seveas> but no password
[07:44] <nJess> i clicked the dvd button in xine
[07:44] <Chris`Everitt> ok, will check it out... thanks :)
[07:44] <delire> Seveas: ok, yes that is the correct answer
[07:44] <^HeMan^> Yes! Just found that ZeroConf was just recommended!
[07:44] <justin> nJess: and how did you try and play the dvd with mplayer?
[07:44] <ngd> is the GUI used on Ubuntu's XScreenSaver just a nicer XLib drawing than JWZ's default?
[07:45] <nJess> rightclick dvd --> open dvd
[07:45] <delire> nJess: were you using xine? it should work just fine. if not mplayer dvd://
[07:45] <Seveas> ngd, very well possible
[07:45] <nJess> i was using xine
[07:45] <nJess> it gives an error abour MRL
[07:45] <delire> nJess: try open cdrom
[07:45] <nJess> and no plugin for dev:/
[07:45] <nJess> what?
[07:45] <Seveas> ngd, but for breezy it will be rewritten to include a switch-user thingie
[07:46] <delire> nJess: dvd/cdrom are sometime interchangeable in xine (depending on mount points)
[07:46] <nJess> how do i change it in xine?
[07:47] <delire> nJess: see the preferences. you can define the dvd to be found at another location (from memory)
[07:47] <delire> though to be sure it works at all try 'mplayer dvd://'
[07:47] <Kurt2x> Ubuntu is a good operating system, but the actual philosophy of ubuntu is horrible and would lead to destruction of freedom through forced collective compliance.
[07:48] <djm62> Kurt2x: what?!?! I think you're missing the point...
[07:48] <nJess> de;ore
[07:48] <Seveas> Kurt2x, nonsense...
[07:48] <ccc> lol
[07:48] <nJess> delire,
[07:48] <nJess> "playing DVD"
[07:49] <delire> Kurt2x: freedom *is* a mutually and collectively supported state of independence.
[07:49] <nJess> "libdvdread can't stat /dev/dvd"
[07:49] <nJess> "no such file or directory"
[07:49] <Pianist> moin
[07:49] <Kurt2x> I prefer libertarian philosophy
[07:49] <Seveas> nJess, try sudo ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd (if hdc is your dvd player)
[07:49] <Pianist> german?
[07:49] <nJess> "couldn't open dvd device: /dev/dvd
[07:49] <justin> nJess: so sudo ln -s /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd
[07:49] <Seveas> Pianist, #ububtu-de :)
[07:49] <ngd> Seveas: ok, I've been reading the xscreensaver inventors reasons for not using a GUI toolkit because it's a lot less insecure in terms of security audits and such
[07:49] <djp> how does ubuntu stand with regards stallman, gnu.org and fsf.org?
[07:49] <Pianist> thnx
[07:49] <djm62> Kurt2x: the philosophy of ubuntu doesn't include any suggestion of force...if you're referring to the position on proprietary formats...ubuntu isn't under any obligation to include them, and you remain free to install them
[07:50] <mbruemmer> how to get swf working
[07:50] <delire> nJess: after doing as justin says, try xine: rightclick --> open dvd
[07:50] <Seveas> djp read the sounder@lists.ubuntu.org archives
[07:50] <dim_witted_kid> hello again
[07:50] <Seveas> there are long discussions about it :)
[07:50] <Seveas> mbruemmer: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[07:50] <justin> ngd: 'less insecure' is a double negative
[07:50] <djm62> the fact that skilled people don't set up flash and java for you is not a restriction on your freedom, I'm afraid
[07:51] <nJess> IT WORKS
[07:51] <nJess> THANKS MUCH
[07:51] <Seveas> nJess, nice :)
[07:51] <djp> Seveas: oh excellent, will do... after giving the little one hs milk... his bottle is ready!
[07:51] <nJess> also
[07:51] <delire> nJess: cool..
[07:51] <nJess> no cd drives will mount under KDE
[07:51] <ngd> justin: whoops ;-)
[07:51] <nJess> any reason why that might be?
[07:51] <dim_witted_kid> can anyone help mo bout setting ubuntu's resolution?
[07:51] <nalioth> mbruemmer: have you been to the ubuntulinux.org/wiki/   ? all that stuff is there
[07:51] <Seveas> djm62, Ubuntu cannot legally provide these things...
[07:51] <justin> nJess: do you mean, "no audio cds will mount under kde"?
[07:51] <Seveas> dim_witted_kid: To find out ho you can change your display's resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:52] <nJess> no
[07:52] <nJess> i mean no data cds
[07:52] <justin> nJess: why not?
[07:52] <delire> nJess audio cd's aren't mountable. they play
[07:52] <dim_witted_kid> thanks
[07:52] <nJess> dunno
[07:52] <nJess> i said data cd
[07:52] <delire> ah ok
[07:52] <delire> nJess: what is the error?
[07:52] <Seveas> nJess, is the cd drive listed in your /etc/fstab with the user and noauto options?
[07:52] <justin> nJess: your computer says "I won't let you mount this cd"?
[07:52] <djm62> Seveas: well, it could...it would involve expense and hassle, but ubuntu is a company, just like suse which does.  it's a choice (imo the right one).
[07:53] <Seveas> djm62, ack
[07:53] <Seveas> but Ubuntu is not a company
[07:53] <Seveas> Canonical is :)
[07:53] <djm62> ack ack ;)
[07:53] <nJess> uh
[07:53] <nJess> something about fstab is in the error
[07:53] <Seveas> :)
[07:53] <ateves> which window system does the ubuntu live CD provide? gnome or KDE?
[07:54] <Seveas> nJess, can you please post your /etc/fstab to paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:54] <Victus> hey has anyone else experienced problems with the mplayer mozilla plugin trying to view qicktime ?
[07:54] <Seveas> ateves, gnome
[07:54] <ngd> ateves: Gnome
[07:54] <justin> nJess: maybe if you would share with everyone else what that "something" would, they might be able to tell you why it doesn't work
[07:54] <nJess> i don't know what fstab is
[07:54] <ateves> thx
[07:54] <Seveas> maybe there is a kubuntu livecd too
[07:54] <nJess> :/
[07:54] <djm62> ateves: normal ubuntu livecd is gnome, kubuntu provides kde
[07:54] <Seveas> nJess, /etc/fstab is a file
[07:54] <delire> nJess: fstab == file system table. this file (/etc/fstab) contains information about which filesystems (and how to mount them) you wish to use.
[07:54] <ngd> ateves: I would personally recommend Gnome as a sensible desktop environment
[07:54] <WebWiz> is it possible to have Ubuntu LiveCD as a terminal server to allow my laptop to Network boot into my Ubuntu box
[07:54] <Seveas> open it in an editor and copy the contents on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:54] <Seveas> WebWiz, yes
[07:55] <WebWiz> Seveas: Does it come with default LiveCD?  where i can just enable something
[07:55] <Seveas> well, network boot depends on the laptop hardware
[07:55] <bob2> WebWiz: yes, but it's not trivial to setup
[07:55] <nJess> so
[07:55] <Seveas> but network login is definitely possible
[07:55] <bob2> Seveas: or an ethboot floppy
[07:55] <foxi1> hi
[07:55] <nJess> you'd want the fstab entry for the cd device right?
[07:55] <WebWiz> my laptop bios has Network boot capability
[07:55] <Seveas> bob2, network login is fairly easy with freenx :)
[07:55] <delire> nJess: on some systems this file needs a little tweaking, but it's very easy to do so.
[07:55] <foxi1> does someone here knows a good usenetreader for gnome?
[07:55] <Seveas> foxi1, pan
[07:55] <WebWiz> I know knoppix has it enabled in default
[07:56] <nalioth> Seveas: bob2 how/where do you change the point where this looks? >>>checking build system type... powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu
[07:56] <nJess> /dev/hdc      /media/cdrom0    udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto
[07:56] <ateves> ngd: what's your special reason for using gnome?
[07:56] <ateves> interesting to me :D
[07:56] <Seveas> nalioth, looks like part of the outpuf of ./configure
[07:56] <nalioth> foxi1: pan is a good nntp reader
[07:56] <bob2> nalioth: I believe it comes from gcc
[07:56] <foxi1> ok lets have a look ...
[07:56] <Seveas> nJess, if /dev/hdc is your cdrom drive (secondary slave), this looks good
[07:56] <bob2> nalioth: you certainly don't want to change it, though
[07:57] <nJess> it is
[07:57] <nalioth> Seveas: yes it is, and i'm tired of being 'unknown powerpc"  what/where to i change the line so i become whatever
[07:57] <Seveas> njess, can you please paste your complete /etc/fstab on the pastebin
[07:57] <nJess> where is that?
[07:57] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:57] <justin> Seveas: don't you think bothering to find out the exact error would be a better use of time than having him paste random things online?
[07:57] <foxi1> another question... my Notebook CPU is chaning its throttle state very often! but i cannot set it up manually how can i change the cpu scale by myself?
[07:57] <Seveas> nalioth, what's wrong with powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu..?
[07:58] <battlecat> nalioth: You've been a big help in the last few weeks. I have been asking around if there is a place to download CD images for packages. I will be going to dial up agian here soon and would perfer to not download packages when I use dialup.
[07:58] <nalioth> bob2: so its ok to compile for "unknown powerpc" instead of ppc740 or whatever?
[07:58] <elshaa> hi
[07:58] <bob2> nalioth: ppc740 is not your architecture name; it might be your chip name, tho
[07:58] <nalioth> battlecat: find a friend with broadband
[07:58] <nalioth> bob2: i'm just wondering why it says "unknown" when mac hardware is very well known
[07:59] <delire> justin: he could break a convention and change "/media/cdrom0" to "/dev/cdrom" perhaps..
[07:59] <nJess> seveas check the pastebin
[07:59] <delire> justin: i take that back
[07:59] <battlecat> nalioth: Is that the only option? There are no repositories with ISO images to download of debian packages?
[08:00] <nalioth> battlecat: not that i know of
[08:00] <djp> Seveas: have been through the archives but can't find a post relating to stallman? any idea when the discussion roughly took place so i can narrow my search down?
[08:00] <Seveas> djp, over the last days
[08:00] <Seveas> and a few months ago
[08:00] <nalioth> battlecat: there may be (among debians 14 install cds) some source cds to be found , but i'm not sure
[08:00] <djp> Seveas: sorry, you beat me to it! just noticed a thread...
[08:00] <nJess> Seveas, i pasted fstab
[08:01] <battlecat> nalioth: Thank you. :) At least I have an answer!
[08:01] <nalioth> battlecat: and i'm also not sure if they'd be useful with ubuntu
[08:01] <nalioth> battlecat: but source is source
[08:01] <cjs> anyone installed a novatel v620 under ubuntu?
[08:01] <elshaa> I did a mistake some hours ago : I used hdparm -Y instead of -y, so my disk (internal !) was stopped. the question is : is it a way to restart an ide disk stopped by hdparm -Y ?
[08:01] <battlecat> Nalioth: Well I only use so many packages and I can simply download those i "might" use now before I go to dialup.
[08:02] <nalioth> bob2: Seveas so i'm stuck compiling for "unknown-powerpc"?
[08:02] <Seveas> djp, thread: Why no mention of GNU?
[08:02] <bob2> nalioth: just ignore it, it doesn't mean what you think it means
[08:03] <delire> elshaa: the hdparm manpages say you need to reset the machine
[08:03] <Seveas> nJess, that all looks perfectly normal, what is the error you get?
[08:03] <nJess> i don't remember, and im not in KDE right now, h/o
[08:03] <Seveas> nJess, gdmflexiserver --xnest
[08:03] <Seveas> :)
[08:03] <battlecat> I am hoping that UBUNTU sends more free CDs since my LUG took them all! :) And I still need more.
[08:04] <delire> battlecat: still haven't got mine yet! (2months later)
[08:04] <elshaa> delire, hum ok. I don't remind having seen this message
[08:04] <nalioth> bob2: thx
[08:04] <elshaa> thanks
[08:04] <battlecat> delire: They take a long time but well free is FREE! I mean they even pay shipping which is something I would pay even.
[08:04] <nalioth> battlecat: do you have ubuntu install parties?
[08:05] <nJess> seveas xnest isn't installed
[08:05] <delire> battlecat: hehe yes. little complaint here.
[08:05] <delire> nJess: sudo apt-get install xnest
[08:05] <battlecat> nalioth: What I did was invited a ton of people both friends and in businesses from around the area to a meeting at our local (giant) library.
[08:05] <nJess> i know
[08:05] <nJess> i did that
[08:05] <Seveas> nJess, hmm, you should forget it anyway, nvm
[08:05] <Seveas> it'll not work the way i thought
[08:05] <battlecat> nalioth: I demonstrated how easy UBUNTU was to install and use for FREE!
[08:06] <battlecat> nalioth: I invited anyone who would sign up for a newletter to be welcome to take a free copy.
[08:06] <nalioth> battlecat: keep up the good work! (i need a boatload of ubuntu disks)
[08:06] <battlecat> nalioth: Well who knows what will come of it but well I have tons of new business contacts now.
[08:07] <battlecat> nalioth: While I have done the Windows XP cert and such I was thinking that a linux and a networking cert will be the next thing.
[08:07] <enoxis> hi guys. anyone running ubuntu on a vaio by any chance?
[08:08] <nJess> heh
[08:08] <nJess> had to reboot
[08:09] <Fabian> good evening
[08:09] <Fabian> What program do I need to listen to a radio stream with a URL like that: http://radio.latehome.de:5000/listen.pls
[08:09] <Fabian> ??
[08:10] <nJess> xmms should do it
[08:10] <Fabian> it doesn't....
[08:10] <nJess> open location
[08:10] <nJess> and take the /listen.pls off the end
[08:10] <delire> battlecat: i hear again and again there's alot more money to be made as a Linux sysadmin here in the EU than for Windows.
[08:10] <djp> TiMiDo: Failed to Seveas: seems there is some confusion between the terminology "open source" and "free software". i don't think rms likes the term "open source" used at all.
[08:11] <delire> battlecat: quite a shortage, especially in the UK
[08:11] <djp> Seveas: seems there is some confusion between the terminology "open source" and "free software". i don't think rms likes the term "open source" used at all.
[08:11] <justin> all that is is a playlist that contains File1=http://radio.latehome.de:5000/
[08:11] <battlecat> Well my BF wants to live in North Africa
[08:11] <delire> djp: no, he doesn't
[08:11] <battlecat> So I am looking at the future
[08:11] <djp> apologies for the completely bodged first attempt at my stallman post!
[08:11] <Fabian> nJess, works! thanks
[08:11] <Fabian> cu
[08:11] <delire> battlecat: hah excellent. would like to visit there.
[08:12] <battlecat> Me 2
[08:12] <maruchan> in openoffice how do i get a regular sized document. i have a weird one thats only 4 inches wide
[08:13] <delire> maruchan: very odd. this on first use of open office?
[08:13] <maruchan> no
[08:13] <delire> s/open offce/openoffice
[08:13] <maruchan> i installed the cannon i550 drivers and after this it changed
[08:15] <nJess> how do i improve performance of xine?
[08:15] <delire> maruchan: hmm, no idea. perhaps look under Format --> Page
[08:15] <nJess> dvd playback is slow and choppy
[08:15] <stjepan> hi
[08:15] <nalioth> nJess: enable dms
[08:15] <stjepan> do you know how to download Eclipse IDE with apt-get?
[08:15] <delire> nJess: is it equally slow with 'mplayer dvd://'?
[08:15] <nalioth> shrcrap
[08:15] <angela20> hi,i would like to run irexec with start system,how can i do it in kde
[08:15] <nJess> how?
[08:15] <nalioth> nJess: enable dma
[08:16] <nJess> dma is enabled
[08:16] <nJess> would an ATi Rage IIc and less than 512megs of ram affect playback?
[08:17] <lsuactiafner> rofl no
[08:17] <nalioth> nJess: whats th rest of the hardware?
[08:17] <nJess> a prentium3 1000EB
[08:17] <lsuactiafner> nJess : prolly a cpu thing
[08:17] <nalioth> nJess: shouldnt have any problems at all
[08:17] <lsuactiafner> or ram issue but now your card
[08:18] <lsuactiafner> playin a movie doesnt really use powerfull display card settings that i'm aware of unless you run an insane resolution
[08:18] <delire> nJess: that card should serve perfectly well. try 'mplayer dvd://' just to be sure xine isn't bugging out for some reason.
[08:19] <foxi1> pan w'ont work, it only places all actions i do in the queue and dont start anything... no failure messages
[08:19] <angela20> anyone can help me ?
[08:19] <nJess> delire
[08:19] <delire> foxi1: 'apt-cache search usenet gnome'
[08:19] <nalioth> foxi1: do you give it a minute or two?
[08:19] <nJess> the dvd isn't playing when i type that
[08:19] <J0el> I need some help with my tv tuner card in ubuntu.
[08:20] <eyequeue> foxi1:  are you marked as online (bottom left corner)
[08:20] <J0el> I use Xawtv , it tunes to diff channels ..but i get only sound
[08:20] <J0el> no picture.
[08:20] <delire> nJess: ok, perhaps 'mplayer /dev/dvd'
[08:20] <foxi1> yes i am
[08:20] <justin> J0el: try tvtime
[08:20] <stjepan> so?
[08:20] <stjepan> do you know?
[08:20] <lsuactiafner> mplayer dvd://1
[08:20] <lsuactiafner> ?
[08:21] <angela20> exeactly try tvtime
[08:21] <lsuactiafner> mplayer -vo help dvd://1
[08:21] <lsuactiafner> x11 is fast
[08:21] <nJess> its not a DMA issue
[08:21] <eyequeue> foxi1: oops, wrong app.  file > work online checked?
[08:21] <lsuactiafner> or vesa from console
[08:21] <lsuactiafner> sdl is best
[08:21] <delire> J0el: or look for different output options for Xawtv,
[08:21] <justin> um no, xv is best
[08:21] <nJess> im not even hitting 100% proc usage
[08:21] <J0el> I get an error like this before Xawtv starts >WARNING: v4l-conf is compiled without DGA support.
[08:21] <lsuactiafner> nJess : try mplayer -vo sdl dvd://1
[08:21] <lsuactiafner> form the GUI
[08:21] <J0el> Could that be the cause?
[08:22] <J0el> justin , i will try Tvtime.
[08:22] <justin> nJess: ruling out a dma issue is easy, hit left a few times in mplayer to have it replay the last 30 seconds or so, if that plays fine, your drive is reading too slow
[08:22] <lsuactiafner> a dvd is about 8mb/s
[08:24] <nJess> could it be a dirty lens?
[08:24] <justin> nJess: try what I said
[08:24] <holycow> heh
[08:24] <lsuactiafner> could be.
[08:24] <nJess> i did
[08:24] <justin> nJess: did that play fine?
[08:24] <holycow> i think my bozo friend found another firefox bug
[08:24] <lsuactiafner> i didnt get the question tho
[08:24] <nJess> it did for a bit
[08:24] <nJess> now its lagging
[08:24] <lsuactiafner> but mplayer -vo sdl is a good thing to try
[08:24] <holycow> got to any website with images, hold down shift, and left click very fast on any image
[08:24] <nJess> mplayer crashes
[08:24] <holycow> it will dissapear
[08:25] <Andril> hello all again -
[08:25] <Andril> Seveas, good day
[08:25] <lsuactiafner> try -vo x11
[08:25] <lsuactiafner> might be your display driver in xorg.conf
[08:25] <delire> nJess: when you run 'free' how much is in the total 'Swap:' figure?
[08:25] <Choubaka> x11 is slow afaik.
[08:26] <lsuactiafner> i think its his display driver in xorg.conf
[08:26] <mbirkis> hi... i am currently installing ubuntu hoary 64bit... what is the difference with linux-amd64-generic and the other kernel options? in the choose kernel dialog
[08:26] <nJess> s/his/her
[08:26] <nJess> im using no swap at all
[08:26] <delire> hehe ;)
[08:26] <albacker> does this work guys :
[08:26] <albacker> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[08:26] <nJess> using 133megs of ram
[08:27] <nJess> okay
[08:27] <nalioth> albacker: backports and marillat can cause problems with upgrading
[08:27] <delire> nJess: but you have a 'total' swap figure? for instance mine is 1550232
[08:27] <nJess> i think the drive isn't transferring data fast enough
[08:27] <nJess> oh
[08:27] <nJess> 488
[08:27] <delire> nJess: that would be dma
[08:27] <albacker> nalioth,  i want them to get acroread. nothing else./
[08:27] <nJess> how do i enable DMA?
[08:28] <pepsi> has anyone here installed a video capture card?
[08:28] <nalioth> albacker: then get acroread, and then comment them out
[08:28] <justin> first you verify that dma is actually not enabled for some reason
[08:28] <nJess> okay
[08:28] <nJess> how do i do that\
[08:28] <albacker> nalioth, yes :)
[08:28] <nalioth> albacker: after commenting, update your apt
[08:28] <albacker> thanks nalioth
[08:29] <_nate_> is there a good gui frontend for dd?  I've tried looking for one to no avail
[08:29] <SirGrok> How can I find a list of the physical locations of my cdrom drives (I am trying to configure my fstab correctly)?
[08:29] <delire> nJess: first test that direct memory access is working with 'sudo hdparm -d /dev/hdc' assuming /dev/hdc is your cdrom disk.
[08:29] <delire> s/disk/drive
[08:30] <delire> nJess: be careful with hdparm. it's not something to experiment with liberally.
[08:30] <mariux> hi, why doesnt anything happen when i click on the "22 updates available" gnome-systray-icon
[08:30] <_nate_> SirGrok, sudo fdisk -l
[08:30] <nJess> it says its off
[08:31] <lsuactiafner> nJess : listen to delire : i once broke a disk with hdparm
[08:31] <nJess> using_dama = 0 (off)
[08:31] <_nate_> mariux, Start>System>Admin>Ubuntu Update Manager
[08:31] <nJess> DMA*
[08:31] <SirGrok> _nate_, that is hard drives. I am looking for my cdrom drives (well, dvd rom and dvd-rw)
[08:31] <lsuactiafner> _nate_ : a front end for dd? rofl
[08:31] <delire> nJess: try 'sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc' type that exactly
[08:31] <mariux> _nate_, nothing happens
[08:31] <mariux> do i need to be root?
[08:31] <_nate_> lsuactiafner, ummm, whats so funny?
[08:31] <nJess> delire, okay
[08:31] <nJess> done
[08:31] <nJess> now what?
[08:31] <_nate_> lsuactiafner, I want a gui
[08:31] <delire> nJess: then try playing the dvd.
[08:31] <lsuactiafner> _nate_ : man dd and dd if=/dev/zero of=image.img bs=1M count=699 should get you off
[08:31] <nalioth> mariux: don't know why. start synaptic
[08:32] <_nate_> lsuactiafner, haha, very funny
[08:32] <lsuactiafner> _nate_ : if you use dd for anything, then you dont need a front end.. dd just aint a GUI tool
[08:32] <lsuactiafner> never will be
[08:32] <delire> hehe
[08:32] <albacker> guys any repo for getting the lates acroread ???
[08:32] <_nate_> lsuactiafner, there is a GUI with the Helix CD
[08:32] <_nate_> lsuactiafner, I can't find one fore debian
[08:33] <justin> _nate_: a GUI to do WHAT?
[08:33] <_nate_> lsuactiafner, and I use the cl myself, but for other people I know
[08:33] <nJess> delire
[08:33] <nJess> will dma stay on after a reboot?
[08:33] <_nate_> justin, a GUI frontend for dd
[08:33] <lsuactiafner> _nate_ : what you need a gui for? read the man page and type the command? and what can you use dd tho that reguired a gui?
[08:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is fedora like debian?
[08:33] <mariux> root@084202042160:~ # synaptic
[08:33] <mariux> (synaptic:30385): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[08:33] <nJess> ChurcH_of_FoamY, not one bit
[08:33] <delire> nJess: no, you'll need to edit a file - /etc/hdparm.conf. be **VERY** careful.
[08:33] <_nate_> lsuactiafner, ....don't be a troll, I said for other people, namely those who are less linux-savvy
[08:33] <nJess> heh
[08:34] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it is linux, but not like ubuntu
[08:34] <nJess> i can live with just typing the command
[08:34] <delire> nJess: it's perfectly safe, if you do it properly. i'll help.
[08:34] <lsuactiafner> _nate_ : but for what can non-linux-savvy use dd for?
[08:34] <mariux> how was it i made it possible for root to run a app in a normal users X?
[08:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is it harder to use then ubuntu?
[08:34] <nJess> ChurcH_of_FoamY, it depends
[08:34] <mocker> mariux: sudo
[08:34] <nJess> it doesn't have apt-get
[08:34] <_nate_> lsuactiafner, backing up their HDD
[08:34] <nJess> and RPM packages are a pain in the ass
[08:34] <_nate_> lsuactiafner, I asked for a dd frontend, not for an argument
[08:34] <spanglesontoast> how do I check if tvtime supports my card?
[08:35] <justin> spanglesontoast: http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> _nate_ : then install the one Helix CD has and i'm not argumenting, look @ freshmeat.net for a GUI
[08:35] <albacker> huys any repo for getting the latest acroread ??
[08:35] <_nate_> lsuactiafner, you disagree with a gui frontend, thats fine, thats enough
[08:35] <mariux> ahh, never used sudo before, just always have a root terminal ope
[08:35] <mariux> +n
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> _nate_ : and i think there are btter backup solutions.
[08:35] <_nate_> lsuactiafner, I did
[08:35] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: RPM HELL is a term inveneted for redhat based distros
[08:35] <Heimdall> helle all !!!!
[08:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[08:35] <Chris`Everitt> Can anyone tell me how I can enable Ubuntu to use my Sound Blaster Live sound card instead of my nforce onboad sound for sound?
[08:35] <delire> nJess: putting in this line first into that file "/dev/hdc {" then a new line "dma = on" then on another new line "}" will do it.
[08:35] <lsuactiafner> _nate_ : just a strange question, if you need a gui great, just wondered why
[08:35] <concept10> albacker, what acroread are you using?
[08:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> becuase a freind of mine got this game to run in fedora core 2 and i can't get it to run
[08:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> even with cedega/wine
[08:36] <_nate_> lsuactiafner, yeah, I understand, I just didn't want an argument is all, I'm at work
[08:36] <_nate_> lsuactiafner, maybe later we can duke it out :)
[08:36] <delire> nJess: the "dma = on" line needs to be indented. see the examples in that file.
[08:36] <albacker> concept10, i dont have any at the moment. 5 is in my repo. but the last time i downloaded it. it got problems.
[08:36] <nJess> okay delire
[08:36] <lsuactiafner> Chris`Everitt : the ` in your nick aint nice.. but disable the onboard sound in your BIOS, reboot press del much and you will get into a hardware config util.
[08:36] <concept10> albacker, the latest is in the repos (version 7)
[08:36] <popeyeray> i dumped my SuSE deluxe edition for UBUNTU!!!
[08:36] <delire> nJess: that will be perfectly safe.
[08:37] <delire> popeyeray: hehe goody
[08:37] <nalioth> Chris`Everitt: disable your onboard sound card in your bios
[08:37] <nJess> i can't edit my bios
[08:37] <nJess> its messed
[08:37] <nJess> ps/2 devices don't work
[08:37] <concept10> albacker, are you using hoary?
[08:37] <battlecat> Does anyone here use Inkscape frequently?
[08:37] <Chris`Everitt> lsuactiafner, lol, can't you just hit the tab button and autocomplete my nick?  Anyway, thanks for the help durr, I should have thought of that. :)
[08:37] <delire> nJess: eek.
[08:37] <Seveas> djp, still there?
[08:38] <bphan> hi guys
[08:38] <albacker> concept10, in fact im using a ubuntu based distro. called beatrix
[08:38] <nJess> so im using usbwireless
[08:38] <popeyeray> here in our little Afrikan town "ubuntu" mean "milk of human kindness"!
[08:38] <bphan> I have just installed Ubantu Yeaaaaahsssss
[08:38] <Seveas> bphan, welcome aboard
[08:38] <delire> bphan: congrats!
[08:38] <nJess> i dumped some ubuntu on my computer
[08:38] <spanglesontoast> I heard my tv card was supported for the ubuntu kernel
[08:38] <nJess> ;_;
[08:38] <spanglesontoast> but not tvtime?
[08:38] <Heimdall> is there someone who can explain to me how I could change a icon in the Gnome menu of my ubuntu ?
[08:38] <justin> spanglesontoast: what is "my tv card"?
[08:39] <concept10> albacker, cant help you with that.   Im not sure of compatibility.  But maybe you could add some repos and try to get it
[08:39] <popeyeray> i tried ubuntu because of my laptops i830 stolen video memory issue
[08:39] <albacker> concept10, give me one of yours/
[08:39] <spanglesontoast> lifeview
[08:39] <justin> spanglesontoast: what tv card does lspci say that you have?
[08:39] <popeyeray> ubuntu was able to fix the resolution on my laptop to 24 bit 1076X768!!!!
[08:39] <mbruemmer> hello the wiki wont help to fix problems with xmms and suspending the ibook g4 800
[08:40] <bphan> quick question my intel wireless pro 2200bg works flawlessly, but  how do i set the key so that I don't have to do it manually everytime it starts up
[08:40] <spanglesontoast> 0000:00:0c.0 Multimedia video controller: Fujitsu Microelectronics Ltd.: Unknown device 036e (rev 91)
[08:40] <spanglesontoast> 0000:00:0c.1 Multimedia video controller: Fujitsu Microelectronics Ltd.: Unknown device 036e (rev 91)
[08:40] <mariux> just trying ubuntu for the first time here, i've been a gentoo and kde-user for the last year and a half
[08:40] <nalioth> mbruemmer: you can give up on suspending of your powerbook for a while
[08:40] <delire> spanglesontoast: yikes.
[08:40] <mariux> have to say, its faster than i thought
[08:40] <ccc> \o/
[08:40] <justin> bphan: with the network settings program thing?
[08:40] <spanglesontoast> ?
[08:40] <popeyeray> i must donate some money to these fine debian fellows at ubuntu!!!
[08:41] <mbruemmer> and xmms wont work ive installed all mp3 stuff(e.g lib)
[08:41] <Heimdall> well nobody know how to change icons of the menu ?
[08:41] <bphan> justin: I've been doing it under supper user iwconfig
[08:41] <concept10> albacker, i will post my /etc/apt/sources.list but dont blame me if it doesnt work
[08:41] <albacker> concept10, send it to me in prv !
[08:41] <bphan> justin where is the network setting program?
[08:41] <albacker> no i wont blame
[08:41] <justin> bphan: well if you already know how to do that, you can just add wireless-key ..... in /etc/network/interfaces in the right place
[08:41] <Seveas> albacker: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[08:41] <nJess> mbruemmer, set the audio plugin
[08:41] <justin> bphan: in the menus at the top of your screen?
[08:41] <nalioth> mbruemmer: how bout rythmbox (called "music player" in the menu)
[08:41] <hde> I just installed Ubuntu Hoary, I don't recall it ever asking for a root password and I cannot become root.
[08:42] <Seveas> hde: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:42] <ccc> Heimdall: search in the forums, i found it there
[08:42] <justin> hde: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+root+password
[08:42] <Seveas> there is no root password..
[08:42] <Heimdall> ccc ok I'll try
[08:42] <albacker> Seveas, thanks
[08:42] <nalioth> !Root
[08:42] <delire> hde: root exists but a password doesn't. if you must use root then 'sudo passwd root'
[08:42] <ubotu> somebody said root was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[08:42] <nalioth> hde: read what ubotu said
[08:42] <SirGrok> Okay, I have the physcial locations of both of my drives, and I have fstab edited correctly (I am pretty sure) and I have mounted it (sudo mount -a), but I still can not read the contents of my disc.
[08:43] <hde> Great thanks
[08:43] <concept10> albacker, http://pastebin.com/302319
[08:43] <hde> I am new to the OS and I have to say I am in love.
[08:43] <albacker> thanks concept10
[08:43] <popeyeray> there is no "root" gui login in ubuntu for your safety.
[08:43] <delire> SirGrok: is this in nautilus?
[08:43] <SirGrok> Blast. I just figured it out. I think.... This is queer.
[08:43] <e-head> hey people.
[08:43] <spanglesontoast> mines a lifeview FlyVideo II
[08:43] <SirGrok> delire, no, it is in XFE.
[08:43] <delire> SirGrok: right.
[08:43] <e-head> i'm getting kernel panics ...
[08:44] <delire> e-head: eek. while doing what? during boot?
[08:44] <e-head> when booting ... VFS can't find root ...
[08:44] <mbruemmer> mp3 is playing but the sound has no volume
[08:44] <e-head> delire: yeah.
[08:44] <bphan> justin thaks
[08:44] <popeyeray> here in our little Afrikan village "ubuntu" means "safety first"
[08:44] <SirGrok> delire, I ran a manual mount command and it popped up when I went back and went looking.... Does XFE not support reading from CDROM?
[08:44] <mbruemmer> all my sound levels are raised high
[08:44] <e-head> i'm using a kernel i compiled myself.
[08:44] <AnguS> hello!
[08:44] <delire> e-head: sounds like /boot/menu.lst has a bad entry.
[08:44] <AnguS> i want apt to use a proxy server... where do i configure that?
[08:44] <Seveas> e-head, don't forget to make an initrd then...
[08:44] <delire> SirGrok: i don't use this XFE.
[08:44] <e-head> i compiled ext2/3 support INTO the kernel.
[08:44] <Seveas> e-head, you might need more
[08:44] <e-head> Seveas: i wan't to avoid using a initrd if i can.
[08:45] <SirGrok> delire, alright. I will figure some stuff out.
[08:45] <Seveas> like IDE...
[08:45] <e-head> ahh ...
[08:45] <mbruemmer> b ut the sound is  not hearable untill i rest my head very close to the ibook speaker
[08:45] <delire> e-head: BLCK_IDE from memory
[08:45] <Seveas> or whatever you might need :)
[08:45] <SirGrok> What is everyone's favorite file manager (that isn't window manager specific)?
[08:45] <e-head> Seveas: thanks. I tried to do it fast instead of going through all the pages in menuconfig.
[08:45] <lsuactiafner> e-head : basically i think you didnt compile support for your disks into the kernel
[08:45] <e-head> i guess i'll have to take a closer look.
[08:45] <Seveas> SirGrok, mc :)
[08:45] <justin> SirGrok: zsh
[08:45] <lsuactiafner> e-head : or some archane option
[08:45] <e-head> thanks for the tip guys.
[08:45] <Seveas> e-head, good luck
[08:46] <e-head> yeah.
[08:46] <mbruemmer> ok alsa mixer pci output1 was not raised
[08:46] <delire> e-head: make sure you have 'CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y' in .config
[08:46] <e-head> look at that ... almost all ATA stuff is modules.
[08:46] <e-head> that's probably it.
[08:46] <popeyeray> my SuSE 9.3 gave me a "can't find sda? kernel panick!" so i trashed it for ubuntu!
[08:46] <mbruemmer> now ive got sound at all
[08:46] <nalioth> SirGrok: try krusader (mc via kde)
[08:46] <spanglesontoast> what's bttv?
[08:47] <J0el> how do i specify gui display options in grub?
[08:47] <mbruemmer> what is going on with flash on ppc
[08:47] <lsuactiafner> e-head : take a .config from the ubuntu kernel or something, then for each submenu disable what you dont need
[08:47] <bphan> justin: I do see the networks setting program to set my WEP Key, but how do I specify that it's 64 bits Key 1?
[08:47] <lsuactiafner> e-head : leave what you dont know what it is
[08:47] <nalioth> mbruemmer: you have no flash on ppc
[08:47] <popeyeray> i have fedora core 4, suse, even xandros! but these ubuntu village people have outdone themselves!
[08:47] <delire> lsuactiafner: hehe.. hmmm
[08:47] <J0el> like vga= ..?
[08:47] <ccc> Heimdall: ah, all you need to do is overwrite /usr/share/pixmaps/gnome-logo-icon-transparent.png with the new icon.
[08:47] <Seveas> mbruemmer, flash on linux ppc is quite impossible
[08:47] <nalioth> mbruemmer: its a commercial offering for x86 only
[08:47] <justin> bphan: no idea... you do realize that a 64bit wep key is completely useless, right?
[08:47] <SirGrok> nalioth, I don't understand "mc via kde" line... I think if I did, some of my problems could be fixed (I don't run KDE but whenever I load a KDE based app it goes berzerkers)
[08:47] <lsuactiafner> e-head : then as you get xperience you can do as you please and play withthings you dont know about
[08:48] <mbruemmer> can musik player read itunes plists
[08:48] <mbruemmer> ??
[08:48] <delire> J0el: that is for setting text size during boot et al. not background graphics etc.
[08:48] <nalioth> SirGrok: krusader is "midnight commander" as presented by kdelibs
[08:48] <popeyeray> i must donate some funds to ubuntu to help keep there servers strong!!!
[08:48] <Seveas> popeyeray, see the ubuntu homepage for a donation link :)
[08:48] <delire> mbruemmer: gtkpod and amarok can ISTR.
[08:48] <nalioth> mbruemmer: m3u files are m3u files
[08:49] <nalioth> mbruemmer: you will need extra libs to play aac and mp4 audio
[08:49] <e-head> damn fellas ... i have like 50 mudules loaded !
[08:49] <nost2hight> room ubuntu in spanish???
[08:49] <Twiggy> Has anybody here setup their gnome to render with cairo?
[08:49] <e-head> i just did a lsmod.
[08:49] <Twiggy> I have the libs installed, I dunno how to tell it to start using it though
[08:49] <bphan> justin: I do but then stil better than nothing..
[08:49] <delire> e-head: yikes.
[08:49] <Seveas> nost2hight, va en #ubuntu-es por espaol
[08:49] <e-head> i guess it needs them all.
[08:49] <nost2hight> thank seveas
[08:49] <e-head> i think "older" distros used to compile more straight into the kernel is all
[08:50] <Seveas> e-head, sed -e 's/=m/=y/' -i .config
[08:50] <Seveas> :)
[08:50] <delire> hehe ouch
[08:50] <delire> monolithic
[08:50] <bphan> justin: I have MAC protectino and all that, and yes I know airsnot and detect all that but then.. what do you prefer?
[08:50] <Seveas> e-head, the all-in-the kernel approach is archaic
[08:50] <e-head> are you serious Seveas ? that's awesome.
[08:50] <delire> e-head: man that kernel will be very annoying to run.
[08:50] <bphan> justin: is  128 encryption is better? or WPA?
[08:50] <e-head> i was wondering if there was a way to map modules straight to the .config file
[08:51] <Seveas> e-head, DO NOT so that, i was joking
[08:51] <e-head> Seveas: i know it's archaic ... but there are "odd" reasons to want one.
[08:51] <Seveas> putting all modules directly in the kernel is a bad idea
[08:51] <Seveas> e-head, agreed
[08:51] <e-head> actually, that is really what i need to do ... for "odd" reasons.
[08:51] <Seveas> but initrd's solve that problem for most users
[08:51] <fang77>    Hello akk
[08:51] <fang77> alll
[08:51] <J0el> delire,  I need to specify which display mode should ubuntu start in , can i specify it through grub?
[08:51] <justin> bphan: 128 is slightly better, wpa has problems too.. running something like openvpn on top of wireless is even better
[08:51] <fang77> I mean
[08:51] <fang77> heheh
[08:52] <Seveas> J0el, what do you mean with 'display mode'?
[08:52] <fang77> Anyone had luck with compositing on an ATI bard?
[08:52] <e-head> Hey guys ... how can all these modules FIT on an initrd ?
[08:52] <mcal> Can I perform a network installation (machine does not have CD drive) with ubuntu?
[08:52] <Seveas> e-head, they don't
[08:52] <e-head> or do they only put the "necessary" ones on there ? Like for the Filesystem, IDE, etc ... ?
[08:52] <Seveas> only the neccessary modules are on the initrd
[08:52] <e-head> :)
[08:53] <fang77> Kinda buggy
[08:53] <Seveas> fang: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:53] <delire> e-head: you do need that CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y
[08:53] <delire> e-head: else you will have kernel panics
[08:53] <Seveas> mcal it has been reported to be possible
[08:53] <Seveas> mcal, search the wiki :)
[08:53] <fang77> My drivers are configured and it works fine with games and all.
[08:53] <fang77> Compositing is a different story.
[08:53] <Seveas> fang77, yeah
[08:53] <e-head> delire: that's what I would like too ...
[08:53] <Seveas> that's buggy
[08:54] <mcal> Seveas: Thank you!...I will do so.
[08:54] <delire> e-head: from there one could work with macro defatults like 'Server' or 'Multimedia' etc.
[08:54] <fang77> looks pretty though.
[08:55] <delire> e-head: adding stuff like iptables or support for usb-audio support depending.
[08:55] <delire> e-head: from _there_ i could be culled.
[08:55] <fang77> I have a rather stupid question.
[08:55] <fang77> How do I start freeciv for single player???
[08:55] <fang77> Do I need to log on a server?
[08:56] <Twiggy> Anybody here using breezy?
[08:56] <Seveas> Twiggy, read the topic :)
[08:56] <delire> cat topic > /dev/channel
[08:56] <nalioth> Twiggy: most of us are not early-adopters
[08:56] <Twiggy> Seveas: Ah, thankya ;oD
[08:56] <Twiggy> nalioth: Aye, but some people are braver than others :oD
[08:56] <Seveas> nalioth, not so much a case of early adoption but of sanity :)
[08:56] <Seveas> breezy is still too unstable
[08:56] <davidubu> I'm a new ubuntu user.  I'm running hoary with kernel 2.6.10-5-386.  the kernel source package is not available for any 2.6 kernel, only 2.4.27.  do I need to add an additional line in /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:57] <anacron> can i get something for anti-aliasing or filtering my videofiles so that when i run them in fullscreen they don't look crappy?
[08:57] <parabolize> fang77: http://www.freeciv.org/index.php/FAQ#OK.2C_so_I_installed_Freeciv.__How_do_I_play.3F
[08:57] <fang77> Not yet. Need a stable box for my network
[08:57] <e-head> what filesystem type is used on these initrd ?
[08:57] <davidubu> I'm installing vmware and it needs to know the location of my C header files
[08:57] <fang77> Thanks parabolize!!!
[08:57] <parabolize> noproblem
[08:57] <Seveas> davidubu, first of all it's linux source, and second of all: you probably want linux-headers-$(uname -r) for whatever you need
[08:57] <Seveas> davidubu, what are you trying to accomplish?
[08:57] <nalioth> Seveas: whats the diff tween the source at kernel.org and ubuntu kernel source?
[08:57] <CarlK> I am trying to connect to a wifi ap that uses a wep key: Network Settings, Interface Properties - pick the ESSID from the list, enter the wep key, pick DHCP, hit OK, I see "Activating interface eth1" for about 60 seconds, then it goes away.  ifconfig doesn't show an IP
[08:58] <e-head> nalioth: they have the patches if you apt-cache search ...
[08:58] <davidubu> Seveas correct, I need one of those packages.  thanks
[08:58] <delire> nalioth: ubuntu source 'has many other patches et al.
[08:58] <Seveas> nalioth, the debian/ubuntu patches and of course the nice deb buildsystem to create packages
[08:58] <justin> CarlK: is the wep key the long hex string, or just a passphrase?
[08:58] <CarlK> justin - I am entering a passphrase
[08:58] <Seveas> davidubu, usually you wouldn't even need the headers too, a lot of drivers are shipped with ubuntu
[08:58] <bphan> justin: that's new information I didnt know thanks
[08:58] <justin> CarlK: try entering it as s:passphrase instead of passphrase, I think that works
[08:59] <e-head> anyone know the initrd filesystem type ?
[08:59] <cabajgtr> Can anybody answer a stupid shell scripting question?
[08:59] <justin> e-head: why?
[08:59] <CarlK> justin - um, huh?  guessing you mean enter it as a hex string?
[08:59] <Seveas> cabajgtr, just ask :)
[08:59] <cabajgtr> Is there a way to convert date formats?
[08:59] <_pax> anyone uses kxdocker?
[08:59] <CarlK> is there a string to hex converter util?
[08:59] <davidubu> Seveas I'm installing vmware and it needs to compile a module
[08:59] <cabajgtr> I'm trying to write a script to purge backups
[08:59] <e-head> justin: i want to take a look at what's on it ...
[08:59] <justin> CarlK: no, just put 's:' before the passphrase
[08:59] <ivanox> wth, I enabled the microphone, and now I got this "cracking" noise at the end of every sound ??
[09:00] <delire> cabajgtr: using substitution or just date? date has several formatting options
[09:00] <Seveas> davidubu, yeah, linux-headers-$(uname -r) should work then :)
[09:00] <e-head> it's cramfs btw .... i just tried the likely candidates.
[09:00] <CarlK> justin - ah missed that
[09:00] <Seveas> cabajgtr, of course
[09:00] <davidubu> Seveas thanks
[09:00] <cabajgtr> I have data in year/month/day/contents
[09:00] <dataw0lf|w> cabajgtr: man date
[09:01] <fang77> How do I change the language?
[09:01] <Seveas> fang77, language of what?
[09:01] <cabajgtr> and I want to say delete data from every moday-thusday more than a month old
[09:01] <fang77> Gnome
[09:01] <Seveas> fang77, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[09:01] <reka> i can't seem to unrar an archive, even though 'file' tells me it is a v1d archive, albeit in Win32 form.  should i try out the nonfree unrar? (what's the difference anyway ... besides it being labelled nonfree ... how am i supposed to pay anyway? o_O)
[09:01] <fang77> thanks!
[09:01] <mbirkis> how come i can't change network settings in ubuntu? i can't get past the password dialog :(
[09:02] <CarlK> justin - any chance you know the config file/command  line way to do this?
[09:02] <reka> mbirkis: : did you enter your password?
[09:02] <cabajgtr> so is there a function to figure out what day of the week 45 days ago was?
[09:02] <nalioth> reka: i use unrar-nonfree and have had 0 problems
[09:02] <mbirkis> reka: yes
[09:02] <Seveas> reka, try unrar-nonfree indeed
[09:02] <justin> CarlK: just iwconfig eth1 key s:password or whatever
[09:02] <Seveas> mbirkis, *your* password,not the root password..?
[09:02] <reka> nalioth, Seveas: so why is it called nonfree?
[09:02] <Seveas> reka, because it's binary only
[09:03] <reka> am i supposed to pay or something?
[09:03] <justin> CarlK: adding wireless-key to /etc/network/interfaces works too
[09:03] <CarlK> justin - thanks
[09:03] <reka> Seveas: ah, thanks
[09:03] <mbirkis> Seveas: root password
[09:03] <Seveas> it's free as in you don't pay, but it's not free software as in FSF free or open source
[09:03] <Seveas> mbirkis, you never need a root password in these things
[09:03] <Seveas> sudo/gksudo wants *YOUR* password
[09:03] <Seveas> mbirkis: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[09:03] <mbirkis> Seveas: hmm... ok will try
[09:04] <mbirkis> Seveas: with my password i get "Child terminated with 1 status"
[09:04] <Seveas> mbirkis, then you do something odd..
[09:04] <Seveas> try sudo network-admin in a terminal and see what happens
[09:05] <nalioth> reka: cuz it' not open source?
[09:05] <reka> nalioth, Seveas: nonfree worked, thanks.
[09:05] <reka> nalioth: yeah, lousy multiple definitions of free
[09:05] <reka> ...
[09:05] <mbirkis> Seveas: i am missing in the sudoers file... will go sort it
[09:05] <nalioth> reka: how many decompressors do you have on your system?
[09:06] <Seveas> mbirkis, add your user to the admin group then :)
[09:06] <mbirkis> Seveas: is that the same?
[09:06] <Seveas> reka, that's the inherent ambiguity of human language :)
[09:06] <Seveas> mbirkis, the admin group should be in the sudoers file
[09:07] <valtsu2> anyone from finland?
[09:07] <ccc> almost
[09:07] <valtsu2> anyone from scandinavia?
[09:07] <ccc> sweden
[09:08] <Flying-Penguin> excuse me... I am kinda new to linux. but I am brand new to ubuntu and I am trying to install ati drivers, I have just installed the drivers and rebooted so I desided to try glxgears to see if it worked and I got this in return
[09:08] <Flying-Penguin> ] Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[09:08] <Flying-Penguin> glxgears: Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual.
[09:08] <delire> reka: 'free' in a free software context means 'free to distribute and manipulate'
[09:08] <kong0> can anyone copy their etc/apt/sources.list and PM it to me? pls would help alot
[09:08] <delire> Flying-Penguin: was that as root?
[09:08] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, you must edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf too
[09:08] <nalioth> kong0: ask Seveas for the 'safe and sane' sources.list URL
[09:08] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:08] <valtsu2> Linux:Be Root - Windows:Reboot
[09:08] <kong0> someone who has a working universe&multiverse
[09:09] <Flying-Penguin> Seveas, I did flgrxconfig it edits /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:09] <Flying-Penguin> yes it was delire
[09:09] <Flying-Penguin> Seveas, I will check that webstie out thatnk you
[09:09] <delire> Flying-Penguin: that's why it didn't work.
[09:09] <valtsu2> where are u from? i am from finland!
[09:09] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, you should run graphical stuff as you
[09:09] <kong0> seveas: i am wondering if you could help me out...
[09:09] <Seveas> not as root
[09:09] <Flying-Penguin> delire: I tryed it as non root as well...
[09:10] <Seveas> kong0, that depends on the problem :)
[09:10] <justin> Flying-Penguin: eh, you didn't want run run flgrxconfig, all you had to do was change one word in xorg.conf
[09:10] <delire> Flying-Penguin: oh.. what are you trying to do? you don't have direct rendering on an ATI card using the proprietary drivers?
[09:10] <valtsu2> must to go!!Linux rules
[09:10] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, have you restarted the X server after editing xorg.conf?
[09:10] <valtsu2> oh!
[09:10] <reka> nalioth: file-roller and unrar.  any reason why?
[09:10] <kong0> i need your universe multiverse script in your sources.list...plz
[09:10] <Flying-Penguin> yes Seveas I restarted...
[09:10] <nalioth> reka: file-roller is front-end
[09:10] <Seveas> kong0: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:10] <reka> nalioth: i avoid rar files anyway.  just this time i needed it and the file only came in .rar format
[09:11] <nalioth> reka: how bout unace, 7zip, and all those?
[09:11] <reka> nalioth: well i don't know then .. there's gzip, bzip ...
[09:11] <Seveas> reka, you also have bzip2, compress and gzip :)
[09:11] <HappyFool> hello all
[09:11] <kong0> ok thx
[09:11] <Flying-Penguin> delire: I am trying to install ati drivers and I wanted to check by runing glxgears
[09:11] <valtsu2> Linux User:Unix rules - Windows User:Unwise words - Macintosh User:Sure isn't Macho
[09:11] <reka> nalioth: that's a trick question isn't it?
[09:11] <delire> Flying-Penguin: try 'glxinfo | grep direct'
[09:11] <valtsu2> those was anagrams!!
[09:11] <nalioth> reka: ya never know when you're gonna come across something ace'd up
[09:12] <nalioth> reka: and 7zip is becoming popular, also
[09:12] <reka> nalioth: i doubt it.  that's the first time i heard of the ace format
[09:12] <Seveas> 7zip has patent issues, hasn't it?
[09:12] <nalioth> 7zip is GPL
[09:12] <Seveas> k
[09:12] <CarlK> man iwconfig "passphrase is currently not supported."  what is the difference between passphrase and a string?
[09:12] <Seveas> passphrase is a phrase used to create wep keys
[09:13] <delire> Flying-Penguin: no need to msg me ;) just give me the output of the command i gave you above.
[09:13] <Seveas> string is a special format for a wep key
[09:13] <Flying-Penguin> that is the out put delire it was to big to put in here...
[09:13] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, put it on a pastebin then :)
[09:13] <Flying-Penguin> ok...
[09:13] <delire> Flying-Penguin: 'glxinfo | grep direct'
[09:14] <samuel> sup all
[09:14] <delire> Flying-Penguin: not 'glxgears'
[09:14] <mariux> can someone give me a url to a good respository for 3rd party stuff? Mostly miss mplayer...
[09:14] <mbirkis> is there a place i can add the "hoary cd" as a repo instead of using the cd?
[09:14] <samuel> anyone here have any recomendations on email programs?
[09:14] <Seveas> mariux, mplayer is in multiverse
[09:14] <Flying-Penguin> delire: sorry glxgears was the top line but then I ran glxinfo... but I didn't put it together
[09:14] <kong0> seveas that site u gave me was really good thx for your help
[09:14] <samuel> evolution does not have good support for syncing imap and local folders i find...
[09:15] <mbirkis> err finding a online replacement for the hoary cd i meen
[09:15] <Seveas> mbirkis, the hoary repositories :)
[09:15] <Seveas> samuel, thunderbird and mutt are used quite a lot
[09:15] <mbirkis> Seveas: but i removed the cd from the repo list and now i can't find the nfs-common package :(
[09:16] <Flying-Penguin> delire: pastebin isn't working right now... and I forgot the other site. so is it ok if I wisper spam you?
[09:16] <Seveas> mbirkis add the network repositories
[09:16] <Seveas> mbirkis: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[09:16] <Seveas> mbirkis: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[09:16] <mbirkis> Seveas: thanx
[09:16] <Heimdall> hey, could someone tell me where I could find the python-xdg 0.14 or higher; package proposed on htt://packages.ubuntu.com is lony 0.9-1
[09:16] <CarlK> other than waiting for dhclient to time out, is there some way to see if the ESSID/WEP is right?
[09:16] <delire> Flying-Penguin: sure.. though back in 2 minutes. it's likely i can help here.
[09:16] <Heimdall> thanks
[09:17] <Flying-Penguin> delire: I sent it to you.
[09:18] <samuel> Seveas, i quite like both of them... but i would like to continue with evolution since it fits in quite nicely with palms... any ideas on how to get it to sync properly?
[09:21] <Seveas> samuel, no idea, I don't use IMAP
[09:21] <samuel> Seveas, thx
[09:21] <delire> Flying-Penguin: hmm didn't get it. can you msg it to me line by line?
[09:23] <krueger> Hello
[09:24] <parabolize> hello
[09:24] <Seveas> olleh
[09:24] <krueger> What's up ?
[09:24] <kong0_> i cant install w32codecs...
[09:24] <TokenBad> I just tried to configure a program in linux and says needs zlib
[09:25] <kong0_> thats very strange
[09:25] <TokenBad> can install that through apt-get?
[09:25] <kong0_> since mplayer worked
[09:25] <delire> TokenBad: to compile a program?
[09:25] <TokenBad> checking for deflateInit_ in -lz... no
[09:25] <TokenBad> configure: error: zlib is required.
[09:25] <delire> TokenBad: you probably need libzlib-dev
[09:25] <TokenBad> thats what I got
[09:25] <delire> TokenBad: these include header files for use in the compilation process.
[09:25] <Seveas> kong0, w32codecs is only in marillat/backports
[09:25] <delire> TokenBad: apt-cache search zlib dev
[09:26] <e-head> hey guys ...
[09:26] <krueger> hey
[09:26] <delire> TokenBad: select the most recent version and install it.
[09:26] <kong0_> i have multiverse universe
[09:26] <Tomcat_> What library package do I need when a program's ./configure asks for "GL libs"? (I want to compile "gravit", a gravity simulator)
[09:26] <e-head> what's the synergy between /etc/modprobe.d/ and /etc/modules.conf ?
[09:26] <nalioth> kong0_: you can go to www.mplayerhq.hu  for the w32 codecs
[09:26] <delire> Tomcat_: apt-cache search opengl dev
[09:26] <^thehatsrule^> Tomcat_: those are opengl libraries?
[09:26] <Seveas> e-head, modules.conf is deprecated iirc...
[09:26] <e-head> modprobe seems to use an insane # of config files.
[09:27] <e-head> that's it then ? basically modprobe.d/ is the "new" way of doing what was done in modules.conf ?
[09:27] <HappyFool> /etc/modules is different to /etc/modprobe.conf
[09:27] <Seveas> ... which is again different from /etc/modules.conf :)
[09:27] <Seveas> e-head, read the manpage for modprobe
[09:27] <TokenBad> checking for png_write_image in -lpng... no
[09:27] <TokenBad> configure: error: The png library is required.
[09:27] <kong0_> oh my god....i cant get w32codecs
[09:27] <TokenBad> got this now
[09:28] <kong0_> they have patent!
[09:28] <krueger> which music player is you favorit ? etc. xmms..
[09:28] <Tomcat_> ^thehatsrule^: Most probably, but there are a hundred packages that say something about gl libs (mesa for example, got them all installed now)
[09:29] <nalioth> kong0_: you can go to www.mplayerhq.hu  for the w32 codecs
[09:29] <kong0_> no
[09:29] <delire> TokenBad: you now need libpng-dev or similar
[09:29] <reka> delire: dammit.  i always installed the mesa*-dev and some other x*-dev packages when i was creating opengl programs.  so there is an opengl dev package thta has all the Gl/GLUT libraries?
[09:29] <delire> TokenBad: compiling software always requires the 'header' or development files of other software.
[09:29] <e-head> Seveas: i read all that stuff and still can't figure it out.  :)
[09:29] <Seveas> TokenBad, waht are you trying to install?
[09:29] <reka> *GL/GLUT
[09:29] <delire> reka: libglut3-dev
[09:29] <TokenBad> yeah figure that...
[09:30] <mbirkis> ubuntu was really nice :) nice job folks!
[09:30] <Flying-Penguin> hey delire sorry abought beeing afk
[09:30] <delire> reka: for the mesa stuff xlibmesa-gl-dev
[09:30] <e-head> modprobe manpage makes no mention of /etc/modules.conf ... to add to the confusion there is a modprobe.conf file too.
[09:30] <MajestiK> I just finished a Ubuntu install, and I don't remember if I entered a root password, but the ones I've tried, which are the ones that I think I'd have used don't work.. is that "normal" ?
[09:30] <Flying-Penguin> are you still there delire?
[09:30] <Seveas> MajestiK: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:30] <delire> Flying-Penguin: yes, msg me the output of glxinfo | grep direct
[09:30] <e-head> i think maybe it uses both ... the whole thing is sort of a mess to be honest.
[09:30] <delire> Flying-Penguin: line by line (avoid flooding)
[09:30] <TokenBad> Seveas, flam3-2.6b2...its for apophysis
[09:30] <delire> e-head: same on any platform. try it in windows.
[09:30] <mariux> what do i have to add to my system to play mp3s in rhythmbox?
[09:31] <TokenBad> checking for XML_ParserCreate in -lexpat... no
[09:31] <TokenBad> configure: error: The expat xml library is required.
[09:31] <TokenBad> now gave that error
[09:31] <Seveas> TokenBad, hmm, does it have a readme file that says which libraries it needs?
[09:31] <kong0_> what codec do i need to play .avi files?
[09:31] <krueger> you need the gstreamer 0.8 mad in universe i guess
[09:31] <nalioth> mariux: see what ubotu says
[09:31] <nalioth> !Restricted
[09:31] <ubotu> restricted is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:31] <mariux> ahh, a bot :)
[09:31] <Seveas> TokenBad, libexpat1-dev
[09:31] <nalioth> kong0_: you can go to www.mplayerhq.hu  for the w32 codecs (get the "essential package"
[09:31] <Flying-Penguin> actuly delire how bought joining #flood???
[09:31] <HappyFool> e-head: http://www.netadmintools.com/html/modules.conf.man.html
[09:32] <Seveas> mariux, basically: you need gstreamer0.8-mad
[09:32] <TokenBad> ok how you figure out the package name
[09:32] <TokenBad> so can do it myself?
[09:32] <delire> TokenBad: 'apt-cache search expat dev' the '-l' signifies the library it's trying to find against during compile.
[09:32] <kong0_> nalioth i cant install manually i need to do it in the terminal i dont know how...
[09:32] <Seveas> TokenBad, in this case i tried: apt-cache search expat | grep dev
[09:32] <e-head> thanks HappyFool
[09:32] <TokenBad> oh..
[09:32] <HappyFool> e-head: also, strings $(which modprobe)|grep /etc/modules.conf -- so despite its absence on the ubuntu man-page, it evidently isn't forgotten
[09:33] <TokenBad> another error
[09:33] <TokenBad> checking for jpeg_start_compress in -ljpeg... no
[09:33] <TokenBad> configure: error: The jpeg library is required.
[09:33] <HappyFool> TokenBad: have you tried using apt-cache search ?
[09:33] <nalioth> kong0_: you can do it using your favorite file manager
[09:33] <HappyFool> TokenBad: instead of asking us each time ?
[09:33] <Seveas> TokenBad, libjpeg-mmx-dev
[09:33] <e-head> strings $(which modprobe)|grep /etc/modules.conf
[09:33] <e-head> whoops
[09:33] <Seveas> or libjpeg62-dev
[09:33] <delire> TokenBad: this output is giving you clues as to what you need to compile this software (and alot of other software) on your machine. learn to read these cues and install the related libraries.
[09:34] <kong0_> nalioth, that page u gave me was a patent propagande page where i couldnt find any mirrors...
[09:34] <kong0_> i dont have any file manager
[09:34] <nalioth> kong0_: at the bottom, it says "click here to continue"
[09:34] <Seveas> TokenBad, if it says missing library foo, use apt-cache search libfoo | grep dev to find out what you need
[09:34] <kong0_> i installed this os this afternoon
[09:34] <nalioth> kong0_: nautilus, konqueror, xffm4, mc are all file managers
[09:34] <TokenBad> ok when I do search I don't find the files you guys list
[09:34] <TokenBad> for example I got this instead
[09:34] <delire> TokenBad: compiling software is non-trivial on any platform.
[09:34] <kong0_> ok
[09:34] <mbirkis> how do i get the nautilus completely spatial in ubuntu?
[09:34] <e-head> but ... so, does modprobe read /etc/modules.conf, then /etc/modprobe.conf, them /etc/modprobe.d/ ? it's still confusing ...
[09:35] <TokenBad> libjpeg-mmx-progs - Programs for manipulating jpeg files using mmx optimization
[09:35] <TokenBad> see thats what I got when searched
[09:35] <Seveas> TokenBad, that's why you do | grep dev
[09:35] <Seveas> TokenBad, if it says missing library foo, use `apt-cache search libfoo | grep dev` to find out what you need
[09:35] <sniker> hi, someone can help me with the timeout 1.11-6 package for amd64, i've some errors when i compile it...
[09:35] <HappyFool> e-head: hard to tell. why not just stick with /etc/modprobe.d/
[09:35] <TokenBad> ok
[09:36] <delire> TokenBad: the development files you need there is libjpeg62-dev. i found this by using the exact command based on your error that Seveas provided you.
[09:36] <HappyFool> e-head: if you *really* want to know, once can always get the source for modprobe ;) no need to reverse engineer
[09:36] <thechitowncubs> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43058  (anyone want to contribute to that script to get it to work for totem), its probably really easy
[09:36] <e-head> :) true
[09:36] <e-head> I found this:
[09:36] <e-head> /etc/modules.conf: used with 2.4 series kernels.
[09:36] <e-head> /etc/modprobe.conf: used with 2.6 series kernels.
[09:36] <kong0_> how do i open them? should i start nautilus or smething?
[09:37] <Seveas> e-head, ubuntu uses 2.6
[09:37] <delire> e-head: the 2.6.* range of kernels use module-init-tools, a different system and this resources this file.
[09:37] <nalioth> kong0_: they should open with file-roller or right click on the file in nautilus
[09:37] <kong0_> i get the archive something
[09:38] <Flickie> hi need help with a speedtouch 330 modem :(
[09:38] <Flickie> got it working once but now it doesnt seem to want to work
[09:39] <kong0_> what is nautilus? how do i open it?
[09:39] <e-head> alright ... this makes sense now. timestamps show /etc/modules.conf hasn't been touched since install. modprobe.d/ was touched last kernel compile
[09:39] <TiMiDo> kong0_: open what?
[09:39] <TiMiDo> Flickie: usb?
[09:39] <delire> kong0_: is it the gnome/linux equivalent of windows explorer (for instance.. and more).
[09:39] <Flickie> TiMiDo: Yep
[09:39] <e-head> so ... out with /etc/modules.conf ... in with /etc/modprobe.d/ !
[09:39] <kong0_> nautilus
[09:39] <kong0_> well i cnat find it
[09:39] <delire> kong0_: click on any folder
[09:40] <TiMiDo> Flickie: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/s/speedtouch/
[09:40] <delire> kong0_: at that point you are using nautilus.
[09:40] <TiMiDo> kong0_: find what?
[09:40] <Stephen> hey
[09:40] <kong0_> i really need to learn how the hell i install tar files...
[09:40] <TiMiDo> hello Stephen
[09:40] <delire> TiMiDo: he is looking for nautilus
[09:40] <^thehatsrule^> lo
[09:40] <ataq> hey
[09:41] <TiMiDo> do whereis nautilus kong0_
[09:41] <Stephen> does the GDM version in Hoary support "early-login" like GDM in Fedora Core 4?
[09:41] <^thehatsrule^> kong0_: to extract, use tar zxvf file.tar.gz
[09:41] <kong0_> i understand that but i still cant install them by just clicking on them
[09:41] <delire> kong0_: tar files (tarballs) are archives, like *.zip files.
[09:41] <Seveas> Stephen, 'early login'?
[09:41] <ataq> Would anyone recommend FC3 over Ubuntu
[09:41] <Flickie> TiMiDo: which one should i get?
[09:41] <kong0_> i know
[09:41] <Seveas> you mean automatic login?
[09:41] <delire> kong0_: they predate the *.zip format.
[09:41] <nalioth> kong0_: Appications > System Tools > File Manager
[09:41] <Seveas> ataq, no :)
[09:41] <kong0_> but the files in them is what i need
[09:41] <TiMiDo> Flickie: try looking around,
[09:41] <Stephen> it says its GDM 2.6+ which Hoary has, but I can't find instructions on activating it in anything other than fedora
[09:41] <kong0_> to install
[09:41] <Stephen> nah Seveas
[09:41] <nalioth> ataq: if you ara a masochist, go ahead with fc3
[09:41] <delire> kong0_: the can contain anything, not necessarily installable software
[09:41] <TiMiDo> kong0_: apt-cache search nautilus
[09:41] <kab00m> hi folks
[09:42] <`psycho> hi ppl
[09:42] <`psycho> :)
[09:42] <delire> TiMiDo: he wants to use nautilus
[09:42] <reka> Stephen: dunno.  but it's supposed to be faster than warty's.
[09:42] <ataq> its just I am having problems on Ubuntu
[09:42] <Seveas> ataq, if you per se want fc, use fc4
[09:42] <amonkey> ataq, i'd reccomend it over FC2, fedora is really slow in my expierence
[09:42] <Stephen> early login, its a feature which means GDM comes up as soon as possible
[09:42] <Seveas> but Ubuntu is way better :)
[09:42] <Seveas> Stephen, ah ok
[09:42] <`psycho> anyone had a problem with dbus-daemon-1 ?
[09:42] <unreal> heh
[09:42] <Seveas> they're working on that
[09:42] <Flying-Penguin> OK I am back...
[09:42] <Stephen> i.e. as core servers are loading
[09:42] <kong0_> open failed...
[09:42] <Stephen> *loaded
[09:42] <`psycho> i get the issus it starts using my cpu 100%
[09:42] <TiMiDo> kong0_: what does it come up when you do whereis nautilus ?
[09:42] <`psycho> :S
[09:42] <kab00m> what is the best and fastest way to install ubuntu on 40 computers at the same time?
[09:42] <ataq> Ye're right I'd say
[09:42] <delire> Flying-Penguin: msg me for assistance getting hardware accelleration for your ATI
[09:42] <Stephen> rather than waiting for the likes of apache, sendmail etc which aren't needed for login
[09:42] <Flickie> does Ubuntu support Hyper threading?
[09:42] <Seveas> kab00m, have 40 cd's :)
[09:43] <nalioth> Flickie: yes
[09:43] <Seveas> Flickie, yes, but it is disabled by default since there is a design bug in the hyperthreading technology
[09:43] <Flickie> oooh ok how do i enavle it?
[09:43] <Seveas> you will need to enable it with the ht=on kernel argument
[09:43] <kong0_> OPEN FAILED...really irritated on the unnecesarily complex extracting....
[09:43] <Seveas> (might be ht=yes)
[09:43] <Flickie> ok ok brb
[09:43] <nalioth> Flickie: with an SMP kernel
[09:43] <nalioth> or what seveas said
[09:43] <Seveas> Flickie, search the USN archives :)
[09:43] <kab00m> Seveas: is there a way without the need of burning 40 cds?
[09:43] <Flickie> just need to get my modem workin :(
[09:44] <ataq> whats Gnomes Control Panel for graphics card config?
[09:44] <kong0_> ok new and more important question
[09:44] <nalioth> kong0_: there is a bit of a learning curve to linux
[09:44] <Seveas> kab00m, there is work in progress on netinstalls
[09:44] <TiMiDo> Flickie: do lspci and see if the modem comes up
[09:44] <Flickie> brb
[09:44] <kong0_> how do i get totem-xine?
[09:44] <Flickie> ok
[09:44] <nalioth> kong0_: use synaptic
[09:44] <`psycho> um, dbus-daemon-1 uses 100% cpu
[09:44] <`psycho> HELP?
[09:44] <`psycho> o.o
[09:44] <Seveas> kab00m, you can find success stories about netinstalls on the wiki
[09:44] <kong0_> i cant find it there
[09:44] <Flickie> its not pci tho its usb
[09:44] <kong0_> its gone
[09:44] <Seveas> `psycho, does it happen all the time?
[09:44] <kab00m> Seveas: ok, thank you very much :)
[09:44] <kong0_> like ive havent installed multiverse wich i have
[09:44] <TiMiDo> it may come up
[09:44] <nalioth> kong0_: have you hit the 'reload' button at the top left?
[09:45] <kong0_> heh no
[09:45] <HappyFool> totem-xine is in universe
[09:45] <`psycho> it's connected with NX remote...a user connects with NX and all of the sudden bus flips out
[09:45] <`psycho> :X
[09:45] <TiMiDo> speedtouch - userspace driver for the Alcatel Speedtouch USB ADSL Adapter
[09:45] <Seveas> `psycho, ouch
[09:45] <TiMiDo> that's what i get with apt-cache search speedtouch
[09:45] <`psycho> um?
[09:45] <Seveas> I'll investigate on that
[09:45] <kong0_> alright thx reaload worked
[09:45] <Flickie> ok ok well im going to try now
[09:45] <Flickie> brb
[09:45] <`psycho> please do
[09:45] <kong0_> i feel im getting more happy
[09:46] <`psycho> umm would it help if i give remote to my pc right now?
[09:46] <`psycho> cos its happening right now
[09:46] <`psycho> it's stuck somewhere in a loop
[09:46] <`psycho> :X
[09:46] <nalioth> `psycho: got any good tv on your pc now?
[09:46] <`psycho> tv?
[09:46] <`psycho> huh?
[09:46] <`psycho> tv card?
[09:46] <nalioth> `psycho: sorry, you offered 'remote to your pc'
[09:46] <kong0_> i dont think i need w32codecs i skipp that part
[09:47] <`psycho> LMAO
[09:47] <nalioth> `psycho: my attempt at humor failed
[09:47] <`psycho> ahahaha
[09:47] <ivolooser> hi together
[09:47] <ivolooser> i try to install wlan on my notebook
[09:47] <`psycho> i meant ssh
[09:47] <`psycho> :P
[09:47] <TiMiDo> alright
[09:47] <fetman> anybody here who have played with lirc?
[09:47] <Seveas> `psycho, does it happen all the time when you use nx?
[09:47] <kong0_> sry all the great helpers im just to neewbie on linux
[09:47] <TiMiDo> `psycho: don't is always good to read
[09:47] <ivolooser> everything works fine but i lost my lo device
[09:47] <kong0_> how might i install java?
[09:48] <`psycho> seveas, umm most the time when some other user connects..not for me
[09:48] <TiMiDo> ivolooser: what kernel?
[09:48] <`psycho> but very foter definitely
[09:48] <ivolooser> i think on the console try apt-get install java
[09:48] <X3N> yes it is Flying-Penguin
[09:48] <Seveas> foter..?
[09:48] <`psycho> then i kill dbuss and it's ok again
[09:48] <`psycho> :X
[09:48] <TiMiDo> naw java isn't a packaged
[09:48] <nalioth> !Java
[09:48] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java
[09:48] <`psycho> *often sry not foter
[09:48] <`psycho> xD
[09:49] <Seveas> `psycho, try dbus-monitor to see what happens
[09:49] <HappyFool> that bot has way too much attitude
[09:49] <ivolooser> kernel: 2.6.10-5
[09:49] <`psycho> run?
[09:49] <nalioth> kong0_: ubotu said the answer
[09:49] <tahooie> kong0_, if you go to www.java.com it has instructions. They worked for me.
[09:49] <TiMiDo> http://www.java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp
[09:49] <Seveas> TiMiDo, please stop giving people bad advise...
[09:49] <TiMiDo> oh ok sorry Seveas (:
[09:49] <_pax> !kxdocker
[09:49] <ubotu> _pax: I haven't a clue
[09:49] <kong0_> ok thx
[09:49] <mbruemmer> how to set up rosengarden 4 (audio and sequencer) it woll not run on my ibook g4
[09:50] <Flying-Penguin> X3N: I thought you used FC
[09:50] <X3N> i use many distros
[09:51] <Seveas> kong0_, the short version of the java-install-howto isL
[09:51] <tahooie> kong0_, click on manual download, then 'instructions' next to the one you watn.
[09:51] <CarlK_> once I have used iwconfig to set essid/wep, how can I test to see if the AP likes my settings? (other than waiting for dhcp to time out)
[09:51] <Seveas> kong0_: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[09:51] <Toba> dammit
[09:52] <Toba> I tried moving the top bar over to the right by dragging it
[09:52] <Toba> and now it's all funky and on the left
[09:52] <Toba> how do I tell it to get the hell back to the top of my screen?
[09:52] <HappyFool> you can't drag it back to the top?
[09:52] <Toba> the launcher links are the size of new york now
[09:52] <reka> Toba: er, drag it back there?
[09:52] <Toba> no, because ever single bit of space on it is clickable
[09:52] <HappyFool> hmm
[09:52] <Toba> there is no place that doesn't actually do anything
[09:52] <TiMiDo> Toba: gnome?
[09:52] <reka> Toba: ah, so that wasn't just the one guy who did that. :-)
[09:52] <Toba> yeah gnome
[09:53] <TiMiDo> right click on the icon,
[09:53] <reka> Toba: right-click on the panel and change the size through prefs
[09:53] <Toba> um
[09:53] <reka> *properties
[09:53] <tmervin> hi
[09:53] <Toba> there are no menus to do that
[09:53] <Toba> what panel?
[09:53] <TiMiDo> Toba: the gnome panel
[09:53] <Toba> it's all launcher and menus
[09:53] <reka> Toba: if there isn't enough space to right-click on the panel, delete an icon... you can always add them later.
[09:53] <Toba> no just plain space to click on
[09:53] <reka> Toba: see above.
[09:53] <tmervin> is there a way to install ubuntu on a laptop without a working cdrom ?
[09:53] <Toba> bah
[09:54] <TiMiDo> tmervin: not really
[09:54] <CarlK_> tmervin https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalNetInstall
[09:54] <Toba> well
[09:54] <Toba> that worked
[09:54] <Toba> but now I'm missing evolution
[09:54] <Toba> not that I was using it anyway
[09:54] <LCTO> IRC. better than google :-D
[09:54] <Flying-Penguin> X3N: well it is verry good to see you agen... since I havn't been able to get to cadradio.net so I couldn't connect.
[09:54] <amonkey> what would be a good distro for a 300mhz lappy with ~60m of ram? is ubuntu too heavy for it?
[09:54] <nalioth> tmervin: do a debian network install, and afterward, change all the sources.lists to ubuntu ones
[09:54] <reka> Toba: find it in the menu, right-click->add to panel
[09:54] <Toba> will do
[09:54] <X3N> Flying-Penguin, it's not cadradio.net anymore it's irc.cad-net.org
[09:54] <nalioth> tmervin: you DO have a floppy drive, right?
[09:55] <Toba> and there it is again
[09:55] <Toba> heh
[09:55] <reka> Toba: if you want it there that is. :-)
[09:55] <mbruemmer> somebody have experiance with rosengarde4 and ibook?
[09:55] <e-head> o.k., now my question ...
[09:55] <Toba> is there a way to change the root pw different from my non-root-user pw?
[09:55] <ivolooser> CarlK_, thank is take a look
[09:55] <Toba> because passwd did not actually change it
[09:55] <Seveas> tmervin, if you do a debian install, do a *woody* install, not a sarge install
[09:55] <e-head> does the Ubuntu installer "cook up" a "custom" /etc/modules file for each computer upon installation ?
[09:55] <Toba> the password was back to the original one after I closed the emulated root term
[09:55] <Seveas> e-head, no
[09:55] <tmervin> Seveas: ok
[09:55] <e-head> or does everyone get a "generic" /etc/modules file ?
[09:56] <tmervin> nalioth: i do
[09:56] <TiMiDo> Toba: so the passwd didn't worked?
[09:56] <reka> ubotu: tell Toba about rootsudo
[09:56] <Toba> Timbo: no
[09:56] <Seveas> e-head, /etc/modules is generic
[09:56] <Toba> I did sudo su root
[09:56] <Toba> is that what i should have done?
[09:56] <tmervin> Seveas: sarge is buggy ?
[09:56] <nalioth> tmervin: then go to debian.org and get the netinstall floppy img
[09:56] <Toba> well
[09:56] <rg58sma> hi wanna load my ubuntu with write my ntsf partition
[09:56] <Toba> it didn't work
[09:56] <Toba> but meh
[09:56] <CarlK_> any idea how to get 2 wifi cards to talk to each other?  ad-hoc mode I think it is called
[09:56] <Seveas> e-head, hotplug is expected to do the rest
[09:56] <TiMiDo> try doing su
[09:56] <Kyral> rg58sma: Bad idea
[09:56] <nalioth> rg58sma: writing to NTFS is unstable (read: may cause total NTFS partition failure)
[09:56] <Timbo> Toba: yes!
[09:56] <reka> rg58sma: ntfs-write is unsfe
[09:57] <Seveas> tmervin, no, just newer than hoary which causes depency problems when trying a sarge->hoary upgrade
[09:57] <amonkey> Toba, sudo su, then passwd
[09:57] <amonkey> Toba, probably don't even need to su
[09:57] <Toba> authentication failure on su root
[09:57] <Toba> oh
[09:57] <mbirkis> why have ubuntu developers removed the delightful spatial browsing in nautilus? and how do i get it back?
[09:57] <Toba> su root is wrong?
[09:57] <e-head> Seveas: ahh ...
[09:57] <tmervin> nalioth: ok, basically, all i have to do is just update the sources.list like while dist-upgrade in debian ?
[09:57] <Toba> heh
[09:57] <reka> mbirkis: it's in prefs
[09:57] <Seveas> toba: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:57] <Toba> sudo su worked
[09:57] <reka> behaviour tab
[09:57] <Toba> now I wonder if passwd will
[09:57] <tmervin> Seveas: thx a lot
[09:57] <Seveas> mbirkis, you can change it with the gconf-editor
[09:57] <TiMiDo> Toba: try it (:
[09:57] <Seveas> mbirkis, search for the no-ubuntu-spatial key
[09:57] <mbirkis> Seveas: thnx :)
[09:58] <reka> Seveas: why not just edit prefs. rather than hunting around in gconf?
[09:58] <Toba> o_0 it didn't ask for a pw
[09:58] <Toba> that's just odd
[09:58] <Toba> does it remember what I did last time or something?
[09:58] <Toba> I don't like that
[09:58] <Seveas> reka, this specific thing is not editable in the prefs
[09:58] <nalioth> tmervin: get the sarge net install img, and when its installed (just install minimal) change the sources.list for ubuntus (found at ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[09:58] <TiMiDo> Toba:  try sudo chown bob *
[09:58] <Seveas> Toba, sudo remembers the passwords for a certain amount of time
[09:58] <Kyral> Hey, quick question, how do I get my SATA FAT32 drive to auto mount on boot, I have the auto flag set in fstab, but when it boots, I get "mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist"
[09:58] <TiMiDo> bob is the username =)
[09:58] <Toba> o_0
[09:58] <sniker> rg58sma: you can try to use captive for write on ntfs
[09:58] <Seveas> Toba: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[09:58] <tmervin> nalioth: thx again
[09:58] <Seveas> read it...
[09:58] <bkinman> how do i kill a single window border in metacity?
[09:59] <Toba> ah
[09:59] <reka> Seveas: yes it is. :-)
[09:59] <Toba> how do I tell it to forget the pw?
[09:59] <Seveas> reka, since when?
[09:59] <Toba> su seems to work now
[09:59] <TiMiDo> sudo -s
[09:59] <Seveas> it is *not* the open in browser windows thing...
[09:59] <Seveas> TiMiDo, sudo -i
[09:59] <reka> Seveas: since always ... well in ubuntu distros that is.
[09:59] <TiMiDo> yeah =)
[09:59] <TiMiDo> thnx Seveas
[09:59] <Seveas> NOT -s
[09:59] <michael> cool
[10:00] <reka> edit->prefs->behaviour: enable "always show in browser windows"
[10:00] <Timbo> reka: where is this option?
[10:00] <Timbo> that's something else
[10:00] <Seveas> reka, that is NOT what he was looking for
[10:00] <HappyFool> Toba: read 'man sudo'
[10:00] <reka> one of the first things i do on install
[10:00] <mbirkis> reka: it isn't that one i wan't! ;)
[10:00] <bkinman> how do i kill a single window border in metacity? anyone?
[10:00] <HappyFool> Toba: it looks like you can use 'sudo -k' to make sudo forget the password
[10:00] <Seveas> reka, ubuntu has made a change to spatial mode, which can only be disabled with gconf-editor
[10:00] <Timbo> i don't get that change
[10:00] <chrissturm> bkinman, theres a panel applet for that
[10:00] <Timbo> everybody seems to hate it
[10:01] <reka> Seveas: ok i'm confused. spatial browsing means you get the window w/out the address bar right?
[10:01] <Timbo> is it getting changed back to normal for breezy?
[10:01] <mbirkis> Seveas: i found it... thnx
[10:01] <Seveas> reka, no
[10:01] <bkinman> chrissturm, whats the name of it, you knoe/
[10:01] <Seveas> original spatial mode opened a new window for everything you clicked
[10:01] <Seveas> ubuntu spatial mode closes the parent window if you do that
[10:01] <reka> and that's what he wants?
[10:01] <Toba> ok, working fine now
[10:01] <concept10> I dont understand the big issue about spatial mode
[10:01] <Seveas> reka, yes :)
[10:01] <mbirkis> reka: yes
[10:02] <reka> Seveas: ok, got it. :-)
[10:02] <TiMiDo> Toba: sudo passwd root to enable the root account
[10:02] <delire> concept10: it's fairly polemic
[10:02] <chrissturm> bkinman, force quit
[10:02] <mbirkis> reka: i find it very efficient :)
[10:02] <reka> :-)
[10:02] <Seveas> concept10, there has been a complete riot about it in ubuntu-users and ubuntu-devel :)
[10:02] <bkinman> chrissturm, I just want to kill the border, not the application
[10:02] <concept10> Seveas, lol
[10:02] <chrissturm> bkinman: ic, dunno then
[10:03] <reka> mbirkis: you like having 10 windows open?
[10:03] <concept10> Seveas, the reason I dont understand it is because you can click always open in browser mode in the options if you dont like spatial
[10:03] <Seveas> concept10, some people like the 'icon view'
[10:03] <concept10> maybe im missing something
[10:04] <Flying-Penguin> damn
[10:04] <nalioth> reka: concept10 i have no clue waht spatial is. is there a explanatory link?
[10:04] <chrissturm> the castrated spatial mode must go away for breezy!
[10:04] <reka> nalioth: seveas
[10:04] <reka> :-)
[10:04] <chrissturm> (imho)
[10:05] <reka> chrissturm: that's like removing the tab feature from a browser and enforcing everything open in new windows.
[10:05] <concept10> spatial is when you open a folder or dir with nautilus and it just shows icons instead of being more like explorer in windows
[10:05] <chrissturm> reka: i like spatial, and whoever doenst like it can use browser mode
[10:05] <HappyFool> i think it has to do with multiple windows being open; i think nautilus also 'remembers' where the windows were for when they're next opened
[10:06] <nalioth> concept10: i can switch back and forth from icons to details. didnt think anything of it
[10:06] <mbirkis> HappyFool: yes remember the places nautilus does
[10:06] <chrissturm> spatial mode is great when you get it
[10:06] <concept10> nalioth, http://gnome.org/start/2.10/notes/rnwhatsnew.html
[10:06] <nalioth> chrissturm: got a explanatory link for spatial?
[10:06] <mbirkis> nalioth: google
[10:06] <reka> what needs to be fixed in nautilus is allowing drag-selection in list view
[10:06] <Seveas> google.com?q=spatial+nautilus
[10:07] <reka> it seems it can only be done in icon view
[10:07] <chrissturm> nalioth: http://www.bytebot.net/geekdocs/spatial-nautilus.html
[10:07] <tmdca> Hello. Anyone can give me a tips on a working mp3player for ubuntu?
[10:07] <concept10> What REALLY needs to be fixed in Nautilus is speed
[10:08] <CarlK> once I set essid and key with iwconfig, how can I test to see if it can talk to the AP?
[10:08] <reka> tmdca: beep-media-player
[10:08] <Seveas> tmdca: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[10:08] <reka> tmdca: if you're having sound problems, it's more likely the output plugin
[10:08] <rg58sma> hot to formmat and mount a W95 FAT32 (LBA)????
[10:08] <CarlK> right now I run dhclient and wait 60 seconds for it to time out
[10:08] <nalioth> tmdca: have you enabled universe and multiverse?
[10:08] <mbirkis> Seveas: hmm... after fixing it in gconf it still is ubuntu-spatial
[10:08] <chrissturm> mbirkis, killall nautilus
[10:08] <CarlK> whoops, worng chan...
[10:08] <Seveas> mbirkis, you might have to logout+login
[10:09] <reka> concept10: yep, speed increase would be good too.
[10:09] <tmdca> reka, no i dont. xmms just wont play mp3files
[10:09] <concept10> rg58sma, fdisk -l /dev/hdx
[10:09] <rg58sma> -l
[10:09] <reka> tmdca: i repeat, if you're having sound problems, it's more likely the output plugin.  have you changed it to esd or alsa?
[10:09] <Seveas> tmdca, change the xmms output plugin to esound in order to fix it
[10:09] <nalioth> so THATS why my gnome nautilus windows come up THAT way
[10:10] <tmdca> reka, alsa...
[10:10] <rg58sma> gparted es el partition magic de windows
[10:10] <nalioth> thanks chrissturm
[10:10] <tmdca> Seveas, how?
[10:10] <concept10> Does anyone prefer beep media player over xmms?
[10:10] <reka> concept10: me!
[10:10] <Seveas> tmdca, hit <ctrl>+p to open the preferences
[10:10] <nalioth> concept10: i don't like either on
[10:10] <nalioth> e
[10:10] <Seveas> go to plugins->output plugin
[10:10] <Seveas> and set it ti esound
[10:10] <chrissturm> muine and amarok are both better
[10:11] <reka> concept10: the problem is people don't know about it.
[10:11] <Seveas> chrissturm, with too high dependencies too :)
[10:11] <reka> until you tell them
[10:11] <Seveas> mono still isn't default and quite a big dependency for a music player
[10:11] <concept10> nalioth, why not?
[10:11] <mbirkis> Seveas: still no luck! hmm, what am i doing wrong?
[10:11] <stjepan> hi
[10:11] <stjepan> whati is diff?
[10:11] <Seveas> and amarok leads to kde, kde leads to fear, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering
[10:11] <SoylentOrbo> Got some Live CD oddness: XScreensaver kicked in, and now I can't get out of it because there's no password for user ubuntu; just responds with "Login cancelled"
[10:11] <concept10> Seveas, thats a correct statement
[10:11] <HappyFool> stjepan: diff is a utility to tell you how two files are different
[10:12] <reka> concept10: i'd like auto-tagging of the mp3 id info ... dare i say like wmp?
[10:12] <chrissturm> sevead: quod libet rocks
[10:12] <Flickie> Nah not working
[10:12] <HappyFool> stjepan: try 'man diff' for more information
[10:12] <XRoader> Hi, I'm trying to change preferences in Mozilla Firefox, but it comes up with XML Parsing Error: root.disabled = "true", is there anyway for me to change preferences without going onto root?
[10:12] <stjepan> HappyFool: Now I am in windows
[10:12] <concept10> I used amarok when I used KDE a year ago but havent since.
[10:12] <stjepan> :(
[10:12] <stjepan> what is it?
[10:12] <HappyFool> stjepan: i think i misunderstood your question
[10:13] <justin> SoylentOrbo: control-alt-f1
[10:13] <HappyFool> stjepan: what do you wish to know?
[10:13] <stjepan> what is it?
[10:13] <stjepan> ok
[10:13] <nalioth> concept10: cuz i'm old and blind and can't see the bloody thing (even enough to 'double-size' it)
[10:13] <stjepan> there is download
[10:13] <HappyFool> stjepan: what is what?
[10:13] <Flickie> anyone else got a speedtouch modem?
[10:13] <stjepan> there is diff download
[10:13] <concept10> reka, you mean the player accessing the info from the net?
[10:13] <stjepan> what's that?
[10:14] <concept10> nalioth, there is a good theme for ubuntu, it fits right in
[10:14] <HappyFool> stjepan: i don't know what easiest way to get diff for windows is. You could try installing cygwin, but that's a big download for one little program
[10:14] <stjepan> oh
[10:14] <concept10> nalioth, but it wont help any if you cant see it. :)  I use double size too (im getting old and blind also)
[10:14] <tmdca> Thanks again. You are the best! =D
[10:14] <SoylentOrbo> ok, problem solved: just went into tty1 and used sudo passwd. But does anyone know the default pass for the live cd?
[10:15] <Seveas> SoylentOrbo, there is none...
[10:15] <HappyFool> stjepan: cygwin is here: http://www.cygwin.com/
[10:15] <stjepan> yes
[10:15] <stjepan> I know
[10:15] <stjepan> tnx
[10:15] <HappyFool> stjepan: otherwise google for 'windows diff' -- i got several hits
[10:15] <Flickie> Grr might aswell just buy another modem that aint usb
[10:15] <SoylentOrbo> ok, as I thought. So it's an xscreensaver "problem" that it can't accept a blank entry.
[10:16] <nalioth> concept10: i've never been a fan of xmms/winamp/bmp
[10:17] <nalioth> concept10: never have got it to work correctly, and other players work fine
[10:17] <concept10> nalioth, what do you use?
[10:17] <concept10> I might need something else that could remember the directory of music files
[10:17] <nalioth> concept10: rhythmbox, vlc or other
[10:17] <HappyFool> nalioth cats mp3s to /dev/dsp and does the decoding in wetware ;)
[10:18] <nalioth> HappyFool: actually the equation i use is much more fancy than that
[10:18] <jnoreiko> hi
[10:18] <amonkey> can you install ubuntu on a comp without a bootable cddrive without using tftp and netboot?
[10:18] <jnoreiko> is there a way to bookmark favourite channels in X-chat?
[10:18] <nalioth> amonkey: got a floppy?
[10:18] <nalioth> here we go again
[10:18] <Seveas> jnoreiko, you can set them to autojoin...
[10:19] <HappyFool> jnoreiko: you can set channels to be joined on connect
[10:19] <amonkey> nalioth, yeah, i installed dsl via floppy but it's version of x won't do my laptop's vid card
[10:19] <lcore> Howto mount creative mp3 player in ubuntu? In suse I've used subfs. Here I don't know where to start. lsusb shows it's Bus 002 Device 003 Class SCSI. Any help apreciated.
[10:19] <nalioth> amonkey: go to debian, get a sarge net install floppy image
[10:19] <nalioth> amonkey: install sarge minimally
[10:20] <Seveas> nalioth, let them use woody to avoid dependency problems..
[10:20] <nalioth> amonkey: then change the sources.list for ubuntus sources.list (found at ubuntulinux.org/wiki/) and update
[10:20] <nalioth> amonkey: ok, use the woody inst image
[10:20] <nalioth> amonkey: then after you update with the ubuntu sources.list, rememeber that "ubuntu-desktop" is your friend
[10:21] <Anon1922> is ubuntu easier to use than windows?
[10:21] <nalioth> Seveas: woody, sarge, godzilla, "traci lords", all these debian names i'm cluesless about
[10:21] <amonkey> nalioth, will try, thanks. would smart bootmanager let me boot off the cdrom?
[10:21] <chrissturm> Anon1922, sure
[10:21] <Anon1922> how?
[10:21] <nalioth> amonkey: whats that?
[10:21] <chrissturm> gnome is very end user friendly
[10:22] <Anon1922> what about the terminal thingy, that isn't easy
[10:22] <nalioth> Seveas: is there a "make floppy image" thing in the ubuntu install cd?
[10:22] <lapo> hi
[10:22] <HappyFool> Anon1922: what do you wish to do with your computer ?
[10:22] <Seveas> nalioth, not yet
[10:22] <HappyFool> Anon1922: word-processing, e-mail, web-browsing? something else?
[10:22] <Anon1922> happyfool: just simple stuff. games, inet, email, openoffice
[10:22] <amonkey> nalioth, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/upgrade-sarge/talkback/1113587843
[10:22] <keyes> hello
[10:23] <concept10> HappyFool, you almost sounded like a microsoft commercial
[10:23] <Seveas> Anon1922, you will not need the terminal too often in Ubuntu
[10:23] <Anon1922> i put in for the shipit for some cds
[10:23] <keyes> does anyone have a Skype working with an USB recorder ?
[10:23] <HappyFool> concept10: assimilation is inevitable
[10:23] <keyes> usb mic
[10:23] <Anon1922> what about drivers
[10:23] <HappyFool> Anon1922: unless you have unusual hardware, or wish to play windows only games, ubuntu should be sufficient for your needs
[10:23] <Anon1922> my hardware doesnt have linux drivers
[10:23] <Seveas> Anon1922, which hardware?
[10:23] <HappyFool> Anon1922: what hardware is it?
[10:23] <chrissturm> Anon1922, you can try the livecd
[10:24] <Kyral> Anon1922: And for gaming, try Cedega :P
[10:24] <Anon1922> ati radeon 9800pro, creative zudigy 2 z5 platinum pro, terminator studio tv
[10:24] <Anon1922> on the livecd, i get no sound
[10:24] <jnoreiko> what download manager do you guys use?
[10:24] <Seveas> Anon1922, the ati is supported
[10:24] <jnoreiko> apt-get just told me for gwget: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[10:25] <Anon1922> ok what about the others
[10:25] <Seveas> for the audigy there is a howto on the forums
[10:25] <Kyral> jnoreiko: The one in Firefox
[10:25] <Anon1922> where?
[10:25] <Seveas> ubuntuforums.org
[10:25] <Anon1922> like a specific link
[10:25] <jnoreiko> firefox doesn't support resume though
[10:25] <Seveas> dunno about the TV card, but most tv cards are supported...
[10:25] <Anon1922> ok, but the sound didnt work when i did the live cd though
[10:26] <Seveas> Anon1922, that's because you need a little trick for the audigy
[10:26] <Seveas> and that trick has not yeet been implemented on the LiveCD
[10:26] <nalioth> jnoreiko: for command line, i use wget or curl
[10:26] <Anon1922> and where is that link though
[10:26] <nalioth> jnoreiko: they both resume, and i believe wget has a gui frontend somewhre (i use CLI 95% of the time)
[10:26] <Seveas> there's gwget
[10:27] <Anon1922> seveas: link plz?
[10:27] <Seveas> Anon1922, i don't know the exact link
[10:27] <nalioth> amonkey: you can try the smartboot thing, i've no experience with it. if it works, it may be quicker
[10:27] <jnoreiko> yeah, but I got a scary message from apt-get for gwget :(
[10:27] <Anon1922> how could i get it then
[10:27] <Seveas> but ubuntuforums.org has a search function :)
[10:27] <Anon1922> ok
[10:27] <jnoreiko> I'd forgotten about command line stuff. wget will do the trick :)
[10:27] <Kyral> jnoreiko: Means nothing
[10:27] <nalioth> Seveas: is that a gtk-wget thang or gnome-wget?
[10:28] <HappyFool> jnoreiko: try 'apt-get update'  -- every now and then i get that do, but updating usually fixes it
[10:28] <jnoreiko> I would use azureus, but my ISP seems to choke on torrents
[10:28] <dali> has anyone successfully compiled luminocity on Hoary, and if so - any help?  mine is erroring out
[10:29] <Seveas> nalioth, it uses gtk2 :)
[10:29] <Seveas> so gnome-wget
[10:29] <Flickie> Got it to work :D
[10:29] <nalioth> Seveas: ok just wondering (i'll stick with my website pounding CLI wget)
[10:29] <Flickie> But hmmm need to get it to boot when the pc does now
[10:29] <Flickie> To automatically dial-in when the PC boots up :
[10:29] <Flickie> /usr/lib/lsb/install_initd /etc/init.d/speedtouch
[10:29] <Flickie> Do you want to set this up now? (Yes / No)
[10:29] <Flickie> Yes
[10:29] <Flickie> Traceback (most recent call last):
[10:29] <Flickie>   File "/usr/lib/lsb/install_initd", line 46, in ?
[10:29] <Flickie>     headers = initdutils.scan_initfile(initfile)
[10:29] <Flickie>   File "/usr/lib/lsb/initdutils.py", line 78, in scan_initfile
[10:29] <Flickie>     inheaders = RFC822Parser(strob=headerlines)
[10:29] <HappyFool> nyargh
[10:29] <Flickie>   File "/usr/lib/lsb/initdutils.py", line 17, in __init__
[10:29] <TokenBad> is there a way to install rpm files in ubuntu?
[10:30] <Flickie>     raise ValueError, 'need a file or string'
[10:30] <Flickie> ValueError: need a file or string
[10:30] <Seveas> damn..
[10:30] <jnoreiko> TokenBad, use alien AFAIK
[10:30] <nalioth> TokenBad: use alian
[10:30] <Seveas> Flickie, FOOL
[10:30] <nalioth> alien
[10:30] <Seveas> read the topic
[10:30] <nalioth> Flickie: there is a channel for that. #flood
[10:31] <TokenBad> can get that through apt-get?
[10:31] <nalioth> TokenBad: if its not already on your system
[10:31] <dali> should already be there
[10:31] <TokenBad> type it at the prompt
[10:31] <TokenBad> got not found
[10:31] <jnoreiko> I had trouble with alien. I couldn't get OOo rmps to install
[10:32] <jnoreiko> just now downloading unofficial deb builds of 1.9 though :)
[10:33] <Seveas> jnoreiko, ubuntu has debs of 1.9
[10:33] <Seveas> in Hoary multiverse
[10:33] <Seveas> universe*
[10:33] <jnoreiko> oh cool
[10:33] <jnoreiko> I didn't know
[10:33] <Seveas> they're called openoffice.org2
[10:34] <concept10> anyone know how to show userlist in xchat?
[10:34] <jnoreiko> well I'm 46% of the debs from the other site... think they'll be significantly different?
[10:34] <Seveas> jnoreiko, probably...
[10:34] <dali> a little luminocity compiling help, anyone?
[10:34] <TokenBad> so alien isn't on my system
[10:35] <Seveas> TokenBad, it should be
[10:35] <Seveas> otherwise install the alien package :)
[10:35] <karlheg> CarlK, you here?
[10:35] <Anon1922> seveas: i just searched the forums and didnt find anything that pertained to mine
[10:36] <Seveas> Anon1922, you can use generic Audigy instructions..
[10:36] <CarlK> yes
[10:36] <TokenBad> what was command again to install deb files?
[10:36] <karlheg> CarlK, you need to set the WEP key in the interfaces file.
[10:36] <Seveas> TokenBad, dpkg -i <debfile>
[10:36] <nalioth> TokenBad: sudo dpkg -i file.deb
[10:37] <karlheg> CarlK, less /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wireless-tools
[10:37] <karlheg> CarlK, that script is what parses added options set in /etc/network/interfaces that control WIFI settings.
[10:38] <CarlK> karlheg - does it end up calling iwconfig?
[10:38] <XRoader> Hey, I have just installed Ubuntu and am wondering why Eclipse isn't on Synaptic, does anybody know why?
[10:38] <karlheg> CarlK, you can get the correct names from there and by reading the "man interfaces" to learn how it translates from what's typed in "interfaces" to a shell environment variable name...
[10:38] <XRoader> I have enabled universal section btw
[10:38] <squinn> XRoader, what's eclipse?
[10:39] <XRoader> squinn: An IDE, primeraly for Java
[10:39] <holycow> what is lpt1 device as a udev device? still lpt1?
[10:39] <HappyFool> XRoader: i see something called 'ecj-bootstrap', described as bootstrap version of the Eclipse Java compiler -- does that help ?
[10:39] <karlheg> It upper-cases, and prefixes with "IF_", so in the "interfaces" file, you say "wireless_key THE_KEY_HERE".
[10:39] <CarlK> karlheg - isn't that the long way of doing: # iwconfig eth1 essid "Library Wireless" key s:petoskeypublb
[10:40] <karlheg> norm_, it's simpler, since it stays in the "interfaces" conffile.
[10:40] <XRoader> HappyFool: Thanks, I'll check that, maybe there's still hope
[10:40] <karlheg> You put:  wireless_essid Library Wireless
[10:40] <karlheg> wireless_key MY KEY HERE
[10:41] <karlheg> ... under the entry for the interface.
[10:41] <karlheg> Do you understand?
[10:41] <scorpix> how can make firefox run thunderbirn when i click on "mailto:" link?
[10:41] <concept10> XRoader, i have all the repos and I dont see it you may have to get it from the homepage
[10:41] <CarlK> karlheg - yes...
[10:41] <concept10> sco
[10:41] <karlheg> Try it and page me if it does not work.
[10:41] <CarlK> karlheg, I don;t think you understand me, but I will follow your instructjions ;)
[10:41] <HappyFool> XRoader: or see this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EclipseIDE
[10:41] <concept10> scorpix, enable thunderbird in preffered applications
[10:42] <karlheg> Ok.
[10:42] <LeeColleton> scorpix: system > preferences > preffered apps
[10:42] <concept10> scorpix, system > preferences > preffered apps
[10:42] <CarlK> ok, got  interfaces setup.  what next?
[10:42] <concept10> lol
[10:42] <karlheg> CarlK, Look in /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools at the README.Debian.
[10:42] <XRoader> concept10: I've actually already downloaded it (all ~75MB :O), it's just it's a little strange, I'll investigate in a minute
[10:42] <karlheg> It's all explained there.
[10:42] <XRoader> happyfool: Thanks for the URL
[10:42] <HappyFool> np
[10:43] <nalioth> scorpix: check this out http://internet.newsforge.com/internet/05/05/26/1525248.shtml?tid=144
[10:43] <karlheg> :-)  You can't read a manual you don't know exists.
[10:43] <nalioth> karlheg: use galeon. its start page has links to all the docs on your system
[10:43] <CarlK> justin - yeah - I have been trying to get iwconfig ... to use my parameters, but dhclient still doesn't get an IP, and I don't see how to debug what isn't right
[10:43] <abbas>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY
[10:44] <karlheg> nalioth, Nice.  All the browsers should have that, and a nicely populated set of default bookmarks.
[10:44] <brk3> just wondering.. how come ubuntu doesnt have this: http://www.bootsplash.org
[10:45] <djm61> karlheg: all documentation is in /usr/share/doc, as a last resort
[10:45] <justin> CarlK: run iwconfig, take notice of every field
[10:45] <djm61> brk3: schtop! this software's not ready
[10:45] <karlheg> brk3, search the wiki for "usplash".
[10:45] <nalioth> karlheg: well, galeon is the 'native gnome browser'
[10:45] <envel> How to check hard disk surface?
[10:45] <Seveas> brk3, because ubuntu will use a usermode bootsplash...
[10:45] <djm61> brk3: it will have it, but not in default hoary
[10:45] <HappyFool> envel: scanning tunneling microscope, i would guess
[10:45] <top-cat> hi. i have a rather long problem and I'm unsure whether to type it here or post it onto the forums. it's regarding installation (lol n00bed) and requires a fair deal of eleboration!
[10:45] <karlheg> djm61, Sure.  How do people discover that fact?
[10:45] <Seveas> djm61, ubuntu will never have bootsplash from bootsplash.org
[10:45] <envel> HappyFool: ahaha! Cool!
[10:46] <CarlK> justin - if iwconfig shows an AP's MAC, shouldn't that mean it has a good connection?
[10:46] <envel> HappyFool: I mean to find all bad sectors (sorry for my english)
[10:46] <djm61> karlheg: it's debian's standard way of laying out a filesystem, but in practice, just the same way you've just learned it
[10:46] <HappyFool> envel: ;-) heh. sorry, i don't know
[10:46] <justin> CarlK: that's a good sign, yes
[10:47] <CarlK> karlheg - read over readme.debian... what next?
[10:47] <brk3> it should have it though.. the boot messages scrolling down the screen isnt exactly in keeping with ubuntus 'human friendly' thing
[10:47] <bl4cktone> Anyone running ubuntu on a Dell Inspiron 9300?
[10:47] <CarlK> justin - so why does my win box get an IP, but running dhclient and dhclient3 on the ubuntu box just times out?
[10:48] <XRoader> Newbie Problem: I downloaded/installed a Maths program called Maxima and I'm in usr/lib/maxima/5.9.1 and there's a maxima executable but its 22mb, should it be this large and how can I execute it (double clicking it doesn't seem to work, maybe I'm missing a fundamental linux task)
[10:48] <HappyFool> XRoader: i have a feeling maxima is command-line
[10:48] <jnoreiko> any guesses when firefox are going to fix the linux menu pop-up bug?
[10:48] <justin> CarlK: wrong key? what do the stats in iwconfig say about invalid crypt and stuff?
[10:48] <tefla> hi folks, is there a way for me to watch movies in the background, for example of the shell window? or the background of a text editor?
[10:48] <HappyFool> XRoader: try starting a terminal (Applications -> System Tools -> Terminal) and type 'maxima'<enter>
[10:48] <HappyFool> err
[10:48] <roger__> dual booting question - had Windows XP installed and just installed Ubuntu on the same hard disk using some free space on the drive - Ubuntu works fine but when trying to boot Windows nothing happens. GRUB has overwritten the  MBR but hasn't touched the Windows partition - does anyone have any ideas what's wrong please?
[10:48] <HappyFool> maxima<enter>
[10:48] <brk3> jnoreiko: what bug?
[10:48] <XRoader> HappyFool, oh damn yeah I never tried, in fact I should have since I have another maths app for the command line
[10:48] <XRoader> thanks
[10:49] <XRoader> again :)
[10:49] <CarlK> justin - let me try with a bunk key
[10:49] <karlheg> CarlK, sudo vi /etc/network/interfaces
[10:49] <HappyFool> XRoader: i think there's an emacs mode for maxima
[10:49] <karlheg> CarlK, sudo ifup wlan0
[10:49] <dali> has anyone successfully compiled luminocity on hoary??
[10:49] <HappyFool> XRoader: which may be more usable than bare command-line, though i've never used it
[10:49] <karlheg> CarlK, You can do it!  Next release will have a much nicer way of doing that...
[10:49] <CarlK> justin - if I pass a bad key, iwconfig errors, so looks like the s:keystring is good
[10:49] <jnoreiko> brk3, it's in bugzilla... but maybe it's been fixed already. the submenus did this annoying disappearing act
[10:50] <bl4cktone> like the new Gorillaz Album but my inspiron doesn't seem to be giving bass out the subwoofer on the bottom of my laptop
[10:50] <dougsk> XRoader, you might look into mascyma
[10:50] <jnoreiko> ah no, they still do it
[10:50] <justin> CarlK: what "bad key" did you tell it to use?
[10:50] <karlheg> CarlK, Hey, come to think of it, there IS a gui for that now.  I've been editting conffiles for so long I forget about the new tools.
[10:50] <justin> CarlK: there is a difference between "bad key" and "wrong key" some things are just not even valid
[10:50] <jnoreiko> open a bookmark submenu by hovering on it. Now change your mind and move to the next one.
[10:50] <karlheg> CarlK, You can use the network configuration tool on the System --> Administration menu, I think.
[10:50] <CarlK> karlheg - yeah, but the current gui doesnt expose the errors, it jsut closed the dialog like everyint is OK
[10:50] <rancorus> Hi, I have a kodax digital camera and gtkam of digikam cannot detect it. Is there something i can do ?
[10:51] <refuze2looze> what's a good firefox plugin to view video/music?
[10:51] <CarlK> justin iwconfig key s:foobar
[10:51] <justin> CarlK: iwconfig ethx key s:foobar
[10:51] <XRoader> dougsk: Is that another Maths program, I cannot check on Synaptic since I'm downloading emacs for maxima
[10:51] <r0d> I have to 'etc/alsa force-reload' and unmute all my channels in order for my sound to work. any idea's ?
[10:51] <r0d> */etc/init.d/alsa
[10:51] <karlheg> CarlK, Ah.  so use the "sudo ifup" from the command line, and see the error printouts.  You might find the errors from the tool in ~/.xsession-errors too.
[10:51] <CarlK> arg... no, i did't use foobar, i pubt foobar on the end of the right key and i think it is too long
[10:51] <karlheg> tail -f ~/.xsession-errors
[10:51] <dougsk> XRoader, that's a gui that maekes use of Texmacs to edit equations
[10:52] <tefla> refuze2looze: try the mplayer plugin for mozilla (use synaptic or apt-get)
[10:52] <karlheg> CarlK, Ok, I gotta go back to work.  Good luck.
[10:52] <CarlK> karlheg - thanks anyway
[10:52] <karlheg> XRoader, try TeXmacs with Maxima.  It's awesome!
[10:52] <CarlK> karlheg - Ill be testing the new gui's ;)
[10:52] <karlheg> :-)
[10:52] <XRoader> dougsk: Oh okay, you wouldn't happen to know the files I need for me to be able to make documents with LaTeX
[10:53] <karlheg> 'network-manager' will be in Breezy.
[10:53] <karlheg> I have not tried it yet.  They are doing integration work now, probably as we speak.
[10:53] <Seveas> XRoader, tetex-base, tetex-bin, tetex-extra
[10:53] <XRoader> karlheg: If only my damn internet connection would download faster (well 110kbps ain't bad) I'd have a huge selection of maths programs
[10:53] <CarlK> justin - s:foobar, no error, and iwconfig just shows key: 666f-6f... the hex versiopn of foobar
[10:53] <karlheg> (NetworkManager)
[10:53] <XRoader> seveas: Thanks :)
[10:53] <refuze2looze> tefla: i tried that one but sometimes it causes firefox to exit due to segmentation fault
[10:54] <XRoader> fortunately those tetex programs have already been downloaded
[10:54] <XRoader> am I right in calling the things I download from synaptic programs?
[10:54] <karlheg> XRoader, I used TeXmacs and Maxima for all of my Calculus homework.  The TeXmacs math editting is superior to any editor ever written, though LyX comes very close.
[10:54] <Seveas> XRoader, not always
[10:54] <karlheg> I think that LyX pioneered it.
[10:54] <Seveas> but in this case: yes
[10:54] <CarlK> justin and s:foobar, iwconfig still shows the AP's mac, so tghat doesn't prove anything
[10:54] <HappyFool> karlheg: eh, what about emacs auctex mode :P
[10:54] <karlheg> They work in a similar fashion.
[10:55] <XRoader> karlheg: Right, I'll try them both, see which I prefer
[10:55] <karlheg> the one in 'Word' and 'OpenOffice' are not as easy to use, and don't make as nice of result.
[10:55] <karlheg> HappyFool, :-)  XEmacs is my OS.
[10:55] <karlheg> I was LaTeX'ing math homework as a freshman.
[10:56] <LeeColleton> Emacs: not just an OS, it's a religion
[10:56] <karlheg> Linux geeks are just like that, I guess.  We have higher averages than most...  right?
[10:56] <roger__> dual booting question - had Windows XP installed and just installed Ubuntu on the same hard disk using some free space on the drive - Ubuntu works fine but when trying to boot Windows nothing happens. GRUB has overwritten the  MBR but hasn't touched the Windows partition - does anyone have any ideas what's wrong please?
[10:56] <HappyFool> LeeColleton: the *true* religion
[10:56] <LeeColleton> Praise St. GNUcius
[10:56] <Seveas> I beg to differ :)
[10:56] <HappyFool> except i haven't figured out how to get calendaring etc going
[10:56] <TiMiDo> roger__: try mounting the windows,
[10:56] <karlheg> Emacs Makes A Computer Superior.
[10:57] <XRoader> I think the day I decided to try out Linux was the day I had to format Windows 5 times in one day
[10:57] <HappyFool> so i'm stuck with outlook for that oh joy
[10:57] <Seveas> omfg, that's the worst gnucronym ever...
[10:57] <Seveas> :)
[10:57] <r0d> I have to 'etc/init.d/alsa force-reload' and unmute all my channels in order for my sound to work. any idea's ?
[10:57] <karlheg> roger__, look at /boot/grub/menu.lst and see if there's an entry for XP listed.
[10:57] <e-head> Seveas: question ...
[10:57] <karlheg> roger__, is it shown in the boot menu?
[10:58] <TiMiDo> r0d: which sound card?
[10:58] <r0d> TiMiDo, Nvida nforce2
[10:58] <roger__> karlheg: yeah the option is there, but after selecting it it just hangs and nothing actually happens
[10:58] <TiMiDo> r0d: do you have the alsamixer?
[10:58] <tefla> hi folks, is there a way for me to watch movies in the background, for example of the shell window? or the background of a text editor?
[10:58] <LeeColleton> sorry Seveas, it's supposed to be Saint IGNUcius
[10:59] <r0d> Timbo,  yep'
[10:59] <r0d> TiMiDo, yep
[10:59] <r0d> lol
[10:59] <roger__> karlheg: the partition mounts fine when in Ubuntu, but it won't boot
[10:59] <Seveas> roger__, can you paste your /boot/grub/menu.lst and the output of sudo fdisk -l on paste.ubuntulinux.nl please
[10:59] <TiMiDo> open it up
[10:59] <r0d> did
[10:59] <karlheg> What does the block say in menu.lst for XP?
[10:59] <tahorg> hi
[10:59] <LeeColleton> http://www.stallman.org/saint.html
[10:59] <TiMiDo> r0d: any errors?
[10:59] <karlheg> Anyone have one that works for roger__ to look at?
[10:59] <e-head> So essentially, at start up ... grub/lilo reads the kernel, creates the initrd in memory, processes the linuxrc file on said initrd, kernel loads modules needed to access root filesystem, chroot/pivot_root is performed, initrd unloaded from memory, then using hotplug all devices/drivers are loaded and configured ?
[10:59] <r0d> nope all are unmuted except the 3d
[10:59] <karlheg> I don't use anything but Ubuntu...
[10:59] <tahorg> anyone here has already configured a polypaudio client/server ?
[10:59] <r0d> 3d control
[11:00] <TiMiDo> ok
[11:00] <Seveas> e-head, sort of
[11:00] <karlheg> It's not cool for it to not allow you the freedom of choice though.  I hope you get it to work.
[11:00] <TiMiDo> take out the unmuted on 3d
[11:00] <tahorg> documentation is REALLY short
[11:00] <amr>  22:00:22 up 2 days,  5:14,  2 users,  load average: 0.50, 0.73, 0.68
[11:00] <amr> ;o
[11:00] <r0d> k
[11:00] <amr> shiat
[11:00] <e-head> grub obviously can read ext3, even though the kernel can not (w/o module loaded)
[11:01] <r0d> done TiMiDo
[11:01] <Seveas> e-head, correct
[11:01] <TiMiDo> try opening xmms,
[11:01] <TiMiDo> or play something with the sound card
[11:01] <Seveas> that's what stage2.ext3 in /boot/grub is for
[11:01] <e-head> Seveas: so, what did i screw up ?
[11:01] <r0d> TiMiDo,  it works, but when i reboot. the alsa daemon isnt up
[11:01] <roger__> Seveas: it's up
[11:01] <sly> yo, anyone know what the average glxgears output is for a gforce 4 ti ? just wanted to know if everything is up to scratch
[11:01] <r0d> TiMiDo,  and I have to force the bastard up.
[11:01] <sly> as it takes several minuets to boot up UT, but after that is fine =\
[11:01] <TiMiDo> why do you reboot the alsa deamon?
[11:01] <karlheg> roger__, It booted XP now?
[11:02] <r0d> be its not running when i boot up
[11:02] <r0d> *because
[11:02] <e-head> and also ... i expected linuxrc on initrd to have a chroot/pivot_root command ? is this just automatically done by kernel ? If it "knows" it was booted from initrd ?
[11:02] <roger__> sly: I used to get ~3800 on my old geforce 4200 ti
[11:02] <roger__> sly: with latest nvidia drivers
[11:02] <TiMiDo> r0d: interesting hold up a sec
[11:02] <Seveas> roger__, root (hd3,0) doesn't seem to be correct
[11:02] <sly> hmmm =\
[11:02] <roger__> karlheg: no I'm in Ubuntu... I meant the details are up on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:02] <sly> sly@DarkStar:~$ glxgears
[11:02] <Seveas> roger__, given that windows is on (hd0,1)
[11:02] <sly> 6247 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1249.400 FPS
[11:02] <sly> 8078 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1615.600 FPS
[11:02] <sly> 8181 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1636.200 FPS
[11:02] <e-head> linuxrc hardly has anything in it at all ... but there was one hint, where it "cats" the "real" root device to a file ...
[11:02] <sly> maybe not then eh , =\
[11:03] <Seveas> roger__, can you please post your *complete* menu.lst too
[11:03] <roger__> Seveas: it is, I just cropped the output from fdisk
[11:03] <e-head> so i'm presumming the kernel "sees" this and just does the pivot_root ?
[11:03] <roger__> Seveas: ok will put the whole lot up.. just a min
[11:04] <Seveas> roger__, put the complete output of fdisk too then
[11:04] <TiMiDo> r0d: go to cd /etc/init.d/
[11:04] <TiMiDo> and do you see anything called alsa?
[11:04] <r0d> lol yea TiMiDo
[11:04] <RzR> hi
[11:04] <r0d> i did /etc/init.d/alsa start
[11:04] <TiMiDo> alright
[11:04] <RzR> i lost my mbr , i can not boot windows anymore, can you help ?
[11:04] <CarlK> justin - if I am not getting any link quality, signal level, etc... any idea what that means?
[11:04] <RzR> thats my err : windows 2000 could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt: <windows 2000 root>/system32/ntoskrnl.exe
[11:05] <Seveas> RzR, you didn't lose your mbr then, but a file on your disk
[11:05] <Seveas> RzR, mount the disk in linux to see if it is actually missing
[11:05] <RzR> which one ?
[11:05] <RzR> i see that ntoskrnl.exe
[11:05] <Seveas> <windows 2000 root>/system32/ntoskrnl.exe
[11:05] <r0d> It's really crazy TiMiDo... I did all the normal procedures for loading a deamon and testing sound channels
[11:06] <CarlK> omg.. i switched nics and now I have an iP
[11:06] <roger__> Seveas: full listing is up - hda and hdb are old disks from previous installation, don't have any OS files on them
[11:06] <TiMiDo> r0d: hold up a sec let me look it up
[11:06] <r0d> kool
[11:06] <CarlK> wa!,,. the IP went away
[11:07] <r0d> RzR, recovery console my friend. its on the xp cd
[11:07] <RzR> i dont use xp
[11:07] <r0d> or 2k
[11:07] <RzR> see the 2k up ^
[11:07] <roger__> Seveas: just noticed the Windows partition has the bootable flag and not my /boot partition (sda4) - could that be the problem do you think?
[11:07] <r0d> same thing mostly
[11:07] <TiMiDo> r0d: go to /etc/modules.conf
[11:07] <Seveas> roger__, no
[11:07] <r0d> some dude had same problem yesterday. use fixmbr, fixboot command
[11:08] <r0d> k TiMiDo
[11:08] <zyth> dos disk, fdisk /mbr
[11:08] <Seveas> roger__, "Partition table entries are not in disk order"
[11:08] <zyth> lol
[11:08] <cary> seveas, you around?
[11:08] <Seveas> that worries me
[11:08] <Seveas> maybe it confises windows
[11:08] <cary> seveas, awesome. I SEE YOUR TYPING
[11:08] <cary> mauahahahahaha
[11:08] <RzR> searcher`: i have the same message too
[11:08] <RzR> "Partition table entries are not in disk order"
[11:08] <Seveas> roger__, by the way, does windows think it is installed on C:\
[11:08] <Seveas> ?
[11:09] <RzR> and my windows used to be on D:
[11:09] <roger__> Seveas: yeah, it can't see any other partitions (they're all non-Windows)
[11:09] <Seveas> hi cary :0
[11:09] <cary> seveas, when you get a second i have a question about yaboot stuff and the kernel i compiled yesterday
[11:09] <cary> serveas, how sit going?
[11:09] <Seveas> roger__, try hide (hd0) and hide (hd1) in grub
[11:09] <Seveas> maybe it works
[11:10] <r0d> TiMiDo,  what am i looking for?
[11:10] <TiMiDo> do you see anything there with alsa?
[11:10] <r0d> do i add alsa Timbo
[11:10] <Seveas> cary, yeah I saw that it went wrong, but I cannot help you further since I don't use a mac myself, sorry
[11:10] <r0d> no
[11:10] <tefla> hi does anyone know of a text editor or X terminal emulator that can play videos in the background?
[11:10] <roger__> Seveas: just at the top of the file?
[11:10] <TiMiDo> that's great
[11:10] <Seveas> roger__, no, just before the boot in the winxp entry
[11:10] <r0d> so thats the prob?
[11:10] <TiMiDo> yeap,
[11:10] <djm61> tefla: I'm pretty sure it's not going to happen
[11:10] <r0d> woohoo!! u rock
[11:10] <TiMiDo> do you know you'r sound card modules?
[11:10] <CarlK> justin - im still stuck - any advice before I just try to find an open wifi?
[11:10] <roger__> Seveas: thanks will give it a shot ;)
[11:10] <cary> seveas, ahha. thats cool
[11:10] <r0d> TiMiDo, no off had, ill just lsmod it
[11:11] <r0d> *hand
[11:11] <bkinman> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". ??? im using fglrx ati drivers, why am i getting this error, anyone?
[11:11] <r0d> cant spell today
[11:11] <Seveas> roger__, while you're at it:
[11:11] <CarlK> and have to tell my GF why she can't use her laptop in the library....
[11:11] <TiMiDo> r0d: do this apt-get install modconf and try adding the modules there,
[11:11] <tefla> djm61: always worth a shot :)
[11:11] <r0d> k
[11:11] <TiMiDo> grrr try searching for the modules there =)
[11:11] <cary> now i guess i get to wait for pfp! woohoo
[11:11] <TiMiDo> is graphical
[11:11] <Seveas> hide (hd3,1) hide(hd3,2) hide(hd3,3) hide(hd3,4)
[11:11] <djm61> tefla: it would be easier to get mplayer to overlay text if you feel up to it...or possibly wait for the great new X compositing to mature
[11:12] <TiMiDo> brb gonna smoked a cig
[11:12] <r0d> hey TiMiDo , theirs nothing in the repository w/ that
[11:12] <cary> seveas, i didnt know about "tab" thing at the yaboot prompt, so i can at least boot ubuntu again, but when i tried to boot the new kernel, thats where it franked up
[11:12] <tefla> djm61: using the mplayer source code?
[11:13] <r0d> TiMiDo, so init looks a module for loading deamons?
[11:13] <r0d> *at
[11:13] <djm61> tefla: if you can do it from the binary, there is nothing I could possibly tell you ;)
[11:13] <Seveas> cary, try asking on the mailinglist, there are more smart people there
[11:13] <RzR> Seveas: i have a copy of previous MBR btw can this help ?
[11:13] <cary> seveas, is there a place i can look up info on changing the default boot option in yaboot?
[11:13] <Firetech> what exactly are the ubuntu kernel packages do? or, in other words, what can go wrong if I install an "original" 2.6.12 kernel?
[11:13] <Seveas> cary, no idea, as I said I never used a mac
[11:13] <Seveas> so I don't know anything about yaboot
[11:13] <Firetech> *do-> for
[11:14] <cary> seveas, cool. thanks. thanks for all your help.
[11:14] <tefla> i might try a mplayer xterm merge :) could be fun. not exactly sure of the professional uses it may have :|
[11:14] <cary> seveas, haha.. didnt knwo if yaboot was a mac only thing. i shall let you get back to being helpful to others. (thanks)
[11:14] <tefla> djm61: i might try a mplayer xterm merge :) could be fun. not exactly sure of the professional uses it may have :|
[11:15] <Seveas> cary, you're welcome :)
[11:15] <Flying-Llama> here we go...
[11:15] <Flying-Llama> on my iBook G3, 800mhz, the dual usb snow white version (not the clamshell). I'm not able to get my airport card connected to my network (i'm using the old, standard card, not the broadcam, but the base station, or access point, is Extreme). In system/administration/networking, I can go and enable the card (eth1), which says its active, though when I close it and reopen it (not even a reboot), goes back to being deactivated
[11:15] <djm61> tefla: mplayer has text display...the trick would be just the terminal emulation (and font size)
[11:16] <Bill> hi
[11:16] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, i think the macintosh disables the network card automatically on close...
[11:16] <Flying-Llama> really?
[11:16] <Bill> can anyone help with installing wifi adapters
[11:16] <Bill> on ubuntu
[11:16] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, i assume you mean closing the lid though...
[11:16] <abarbaccia> hey guys, when i download things to my desktop they dont show up
[11:16] <TiMiDo> no news r0d ?
[11:16] <abarbaccia> any way to quickly fix this?
[11:17] <Flying-Llama> Seveas: no
[11:17] <Flying-Llama> only the window
[11:17] <Seveas> abarbaccia, hit <ctrl>r while having all apps minimized
[11:17] <Flying-Llama> the network configuration window
[11:17] <r0d> TiMiDo, well looking w/ lsmod was alittle harder then i thought. theirs tons of audio modules
[11:17] <Bill> I have installed ndiswrapper
[11:17] <TiMiDo> big time,
[11:17] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, ohh, that's not normal
[11:17] <abarbaccia> Seveas, you are the man
[11:17] <r0d> I was gonna try the one w/ most used
[11:17] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, are you using wpa encryption?
[11:17] <Flying-Llama> Seveas: yes
[11:17] <Flying-Llama> wait...
[11:17] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, that does not work yet with the gui
[11:17] <Flying-Llama> no
[11:18] <Seveas> ah ok, plain WEP
[11:18] <Flying-Llama> ya
[11:18] <Bill> has anyone got ndiswrapper to work on hoary?
[11:18] <Flying-Llama> sorry
[11:18] <r0d> its like 'sndpcm' what ya think TiMiDo
[11:18] <Bill> pls
[11:18] <Seveas> Bill, lots of people ;)
[11:18] <TiMiDo> r0d: do modprobe sndpcm
[11:18] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, have you tried the commandline stuff to see whether that works?
[11:18] <Flying-Llama> what do you mean Seveas
[11:18] <TiMiDo> r0d: can you tell me the sound card again?
[11:18] <Flying-Llama> modprobe airport?
[11:18] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, things like ifconfig/iwconfig/dhcliient
[11:18] <Bill> I have a ZD1211 usb adapter and when I load ndiswrapper it says driver loaded hardware present
[11:19] <Flying-Llama> ahh no seveas
[11:19] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, the commandline tools will give you more debugging info
[11:19] <Bill> but its not in network config
[11:19] <r0d> yea its nvida nforce2
[11:19] <Flying-Llama> thanks Seveas
[11:19] <r0d> modprobed it
[11:19] <Seveas> I think some info can be found on the WifiHowto on the wiki
[11:19] <Bill> its listed as wlan0
[11:19] <Bill> but then says no wireless extensions
[11:19] <Seveas> Bill, does ifconfig -a show wlan0?
[11:19] <Bill> yep
[11:20] <Seveas> and have you added ndiswrapper to /etc/modules?
[11:20] <Bill> yep
[11:20] <Seveas> have you run ndiswrapper -m?
[11:20] <Bill> yes
[11:20] <TiMiDo> and kernel r0d ?
[11:20] <Seveas> hmm
[11:20] <Bill> and it runs on startup
[11:20] <r0d> I'm confused alittle w/ the value of module.conf now I can tell that it loads kernel mods. but not all of them. so it just runs certain types?
[11:20] <Flying-Llama> will there ever be rendevous/bonjour technology for linux? it was recently introduced for windows
[11:20] <Seveas> and are you using iwconfig as root?
[11:20] <r0d> TiMiDo, 2.6
[11:20] <Bill> yes
[11:20] <Bill> its driving me mad
[11:20] <r0d> TiMiDo, 2.6.10 to be full
[11:20] <Seveas> ok, eliminated all user errors :|
[11:20] <Seveas> ndiswrapper -l shows driver present, hardware present?
[11:21] <Bill> yep
[11:21] <Seveas> And yet it says no wireless instructions...
[11:21] <Flying-Llama> why  is networking so complicated....
[11:21] <Seveas> have you checked the ndiswrapper site to see whether your card is supported?
[11:21] <Bill> and iwconfig says "wlan0 no wireless extensions"
[11:21] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, wireless has the burden of lack of drivers
[11:21] <Flying-Llama> ahh
[11:22] <CarlK>  I am about to give up on using a wep key... any last minute ideas?
[11:22] <Seveas> but that doesn't count for your mac :)
[11:22] <Flying-Llama> heh
[11:22] <Seveas> only for the airport extreme
[11:22] <zyth> wep wap wep wap mac
[11:22] <Bill> would u reccomend linuxant?
[11:22] <r0d> o TiMiDo that 'modconf' program wasnt in the repository:(
[11:22] <Seveas> linuxant is for modems
[11:22] <Bill> what is the best card for hoary?
[11:22] <Seveas> Bill, have you checked the ndiswrapper site to see whether your card is supported?
[11:22] <TiMiDo> can u pasted me lsmod ?
[11:23] <tenshiKur0> linuxant has wifi drivers also... with WPA support
[11:23] <Seveas> Bill, any atheror or ipw2200 card will do
[11:23] <TiMiDo> not on channel
[11:23] <Seveas> tenshiKur0, ah thank you
[11:23] <Seveas> i stand corrected
[11:23] <tenshiKur0> no stress... funny thing, was just playing with it about 3minutes ago
[11:23] <roger__> Seveas: tried the hide (hdx) thing and it doesn't work - infact now grub just says "error 17" and doesn't even bring up the menu :)
[11:24] <Flying-Llama> apple should collaborate with the linux people to offer mac-like simplicity on an open source and powerful os
[11:24] <Flying-Llama> and offerening more drivers
[11:24] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, indeed :)
[11:24] <Flying-Llama> :)
[11:24] <Seveas> roger__, ouch :|
[11:24] <r0d> snd_usb_audio          60224  0
[11:24] <r0d> snd_usb_lib            11776  1 snd_usb_audio
[11:24] <r0d> snd_rawmidi            22944  1 snd_usb_lib
[11:24] <r0d> snd_seq_device          8332  1 snd_rawmidi
[11:24] <r0d> snd_intel8x0           29984  0
[11:24] <r0d> snd_ac97_codec         64608  1 snd_intel8x0
[11:24] <Bill> card isnt on list of ones known to work
[11:24] <CarlK> off to burger king!
[11:24] <r0d> snd_pcm_oss            47652  0
[11:24] <Flying-Llama> if anyone cares, im alex__ from yesterday
[11:24] <Seveas> r0d, do NOT paste in here
[11:24] <Seveas> use paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:25] <Flying-Llama> how does that work
[11:25] <Seveas> what work?
[11:25] <Flying-Llama> paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:25] <Flying-Llama> nevm
[11:25] <Flying-Llama> i see now
[11:25] <TiMiDo> cat /proc/modules
[11:25] <Seveas> :)
[11:25] <TiMiDo> r0d:
[11:25] <Flying-Llama> :)
[11:26] <Bill> anyone got wireless card to work out of the box with hoary?
[11:26] <Flying-Llama> amazing how popular ubuntu has become: 522 people in this room
[11:26] <Bill> without ndiswrapper
[11:26] <LCTO> Bill: I.
[11:26] <Flying-Llama> look at #ubuntu-ppc
[11:26] <Flying-Llama> lol
[11:26] <LCTO> ... laptop PC card though.
[11:26] <Seveas> Bill, I have, but my card is an atheros one
[11:27] <Bill> ok
[11:27] <Bill> its driving me mad, cant get the web without wireless
[11:28] <Seveas> bill, last resort: try the ndiswrappersetuphowto on the wiki
[11:28] <Bill> also does anyone know how to get divx and dvd's to work on hoary?
[11:28] <Seveas> you need to compile some stuff yourself..
[11:28] <IFRFLY1> anyone using anything to stream video on a website under ubuntu
[11:28] <Bill> ive been there and done it
[11:28] <Seveas> bill: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[11:29] <r0d> ty
[11:30] <Seveas> yw, making mistakes is a result of being a human :)
[11:30] <Seveas> r0d, i haven't been following your efforts, what is your problem?
[11:30] <r0d> for some reason my alsa deamon wont start on boot
[11:31] <r0d> i did /etc/init.d/alsa start
[11:31] <r0d> brb gotta reboot
[11:31] <Ubuntu> hi everybody
[11:31] <Seveas> hello
[11:31] <TiMiDo> Ubuntu: hello
[11:31] <Bill> do u can download these and install from within hoary using the repositories?
[11:31] <Ubuntu> hi timido
[11:31] <Seveas> bill, yes
[11:32] <Bill> great
[11:32] <Seveas> (if you are referring to the restricted stuff)
[11:32] <Seveas> most of it can be downloaded from the backports/universe/multiverse
[11:32] <Bill> can u install an x86 version on an athlon 64 system?
[11:32] <TiMiDo> oh boy it sucks when you don't really have xbox games i finished them already
[11:33] <Seveas> Bill, yes
[11:33] <Bill> where is backports/universe/multiverse?
[11:33] <Ubuntu> hi seveas
[11:33] <Seveas> universe/multiverse are components of the Ubuntu distribution (www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components)
[11:34] <ThE__OnE> is it possible to mopunt an iso file in ubuntu?
[11:34] <Flying-Llama> i dont get it - what are all these other 500 people doing in here?
[11:34] <mbirkis> how do i get mpeg layer 2/3 support in xine?
[11:34] <Seveas> backports is a community effort to provide bleeding-edge software on a stable Ubuntu
[11:34] <Flying-Llama> the ones who dont talk
[11:34] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, yes
[11:34] <ThE__OnE> how Seveas?
[11:34] <Seveas> mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /path/to/mountpoint
[11:34] <ThE__OnE> ok thanks
[11:35] <TiMiDo> i can't wait until i get the ubuntu cds
[11:35] <trog_> sorry - its me, im logged on 498 times
[11:35] <krueger> Hello
[11:35] <TiMiDo> r0d: did it worked?
[11:35] <r0d> you rock TiMiDo
[11:35] <r0d> yea man awesome
[11:35] <TiMiDo> he =)
[11:35] <r0d> what did you probe?
[11:35] <r0d> mobprobe
[11:35] <TiMiDo> modprobe snd-intel8x0
[11:35] <r0d> so thats my snd card eh?
[11:35] <TiMiDo> modules are snd-intel8x0
[11:36] <TiMiDo> yeap that should be it
[11:36] <Seveas> TiMiDo, rofl, I was about to suggest that (didn't follow the complete effort)
[11:36] <r0d> gotta love the community...
[11:36] <TiMiDo> Seveas: huh?
[11:36] <Flying-Llama> the HUGE community
[11:36] <Seveas> TiMiDo, nvm :)
[11:36] <TiMiDo> he =)
[11:37] <TiMiDo> i'm slow sometimes that's why Seveas
[11:37] <Seveas> :o)
[11:37] <r0d> so TiMiDo so puting your moulde name in  modules.conf file is the same as doing /etc/init.d/alsa start?
[11:37] <r0d> more or less...
[11:38] <TiMiDo> you don't really touch the alsa deamon
[11:38] <Bill> ive just seen the dvd versions avail for d/l on the ubuntu site - whats different betwen these and the cd release?
[11:38] <Bill> pl
[11:38] <Bill> pls
[11:38] <TiMiDo> put it on /etc/modules
[11:38] <TiMiDo> # /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time.
[11:38] <Seveas> Bill, the dvds contain more packages
[11:38] <Seveas> r0d, no
[11:38] <r0d> ok
[11:39] <Bill> like all the restricted stuff
[11:39] <r0d> o
[11:39] <Flying-Llama> what are the most important and significant packages on the dvd seveas?
[11:39] <Seveas> r0d, putting that there makes sure the driver is loaded
[11:39] <Seveas> so alsa can start :)
[11:39] <TiMiDo> yeap
[11:39] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, the complete main and restricted sections are on it.
[11:39] <r0d> i c. ok
[11:39] <Seveas> by the way, you should not use modules.conf
[11:39] <Flying-Llama> restricted?
[11:39] <Seveas> but /etc/modules
[11:39] <Bill> does the dvd have all the restricted stuff?
[11:40] <r0d> yea its Seveas thats what its named
[11:40] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[11:40] <r0d> *-its
[11:40] <Flying-Llama> ahh thanks Seveas :)
[11:40] <TiMiDo> then you should put it on /etc/modules and it will boot at start up
[11:40] <r0d> yea im gonna do that now
[11:40] <dougsk> is there a list where i can see intent to package packages for motu?
[11:41] <Seveas> dougsk, yes
[11:41] <Seveas> UniverseCandidates
[11:41] <bl4cktone> Guys I'm trying to get my subwoofer working on my inspiron 9300 doesn't seem to be pumping I don't know why
[11:41] <Seveas> MotuToReview
[11:41] <Seveas> MotuTODO
[11:41] <Seveas> etc
[11:41] <dougsk> Seveas, ah okay thanks
[11:41] <Seveas> use wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU as starting page :)
[11:41] <AMDXP> =)
[11:42] <thechitowncubs> I want to make a simple GUI with one input that inputs the video id in this script: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43058  , can someone give me some tips on what i have to do?
[11:42] <r0d> hey TiMiDo  you ever customize your ubuntu kernel?
[11:42] <revildab> Hah, so today I recieve the official ubuntu CD's in the mail that I ordered a while ago, completely unexpectedly. The plan is to drop a couple off at each local library. I now have something to do tomorrow \o/
[11:42] <thechitowncubs> I have no experience programming
[11:42] <usual> can ubuntu apt-get packages listed in a text file
[11:42] <TiMiDo> yeah sometimes when i'm bored
[11:42] <thechitowncubs> revildab: good initiative :)
[11:43] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, read the manpage for zenity
[11:43] <Flying-Llama> why on iwconfig does my eth1 (airport card) "nicknamed" HERMES I?
[11:43] <HrdwrBoB> usual: apt-get install $(cat file)
[11:43] <thechitowncubs> Seveas: will do, thanks for the quick help
[11:43] <Flying-Llama> who is HERMES I
[11:43] <r0d> I'm coming from gentoo, which you baiscly have to become a kernel expert, but i never used initrd before and when i compile an ubuntu kernel i get modprobe errors
[11:43] <Heimdall> why mplayer is not in the packages lists ?????
[11:43] <TiMiDo> my cellphone
[11:44] <Seveas> Heimdall, it is
[11:44] <HrdwrBoB> r0d: don't compile the kernel
[11:44] <Seveas> in multiverse
[11:44] <TiMiDo> r0d: do apt-cache search kernel-image and try downloading another kernel image
[11:44] <Seveas> r0d, on Ubuntu you don't need to compile your own kernel
[11:44] <Seveas> TiMiDo, it's linux-image
[11:44] <Seveas> but there are nicer metapackages
[11:44] <TiMiDo> oh is it?
[11:44] <r0d> Seveas, the basic kernel doesnt come w/ ntfs writer permissons right?
[11:44] <Seveas> r0d, what kind of cpu do you have?
[11:44] <r0d> *write
[11:45] <Seveas> r0d, nom but you don't need to compile your own kernel to get it
[11:45] <r0d> amdxp
[11:45] <HrdwrBoB> r0d: you don't need to recompile your kernel to use captive-ntfs
[11:45] <Heimdall> Seveas : no, I do apt-get install mplayerfor 1h it is not
[11:45] <Seveas> r0d, install the linux-k7 package
[11:45] <Seveas> Heimdall, try mplayer-custom
[11:45] <Heimdall> Seveas : and my pat is updated
[11:45] <Seveas> Heimdall, or tey apt-cache search mplayer for more options
[11:45] <Flying-Llama> what exactly does dhclient do? configures my ip with dhcp or just sends feedback?
[11:46] <Seveas> r0d, and captive ntfs can be found in the backports iirc
[11:46] <r0d> ok
[11:46] <abarbaccia> whats a good ftp client?
[11:46] <r0d> theirs a wiki on that too, kool
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> gftp is ok
[11:46] <Seveas> abarbaccia, gftp
[11:46] <Seveas> or places -> connect to server
[11:46] <Heimdall> Seveas : apt-cache show/search gives nothing
[11:46] <Flying-Llama> ubuntu cant conect directly to ftp?
[11:46] <HrdwrBoB> Flying-Llama: contacts a DHCP server, gets an IP/details, sets them up
[11:46] <concept10> anyone have a estimate of the user base of Ubuntu?
[11:47] <Flying-Llama> HrdwrBoB: thanks
[11:47] <abarbaccia> thanks again Seveas
[11:47] <Flying-Llama> guess im too used to the finder...
[11:47] <HrdwrBoB> ah ok
[11:47] <Seveas> Heimdall, enable multiverse then
[11:47] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, of course it can :)
[11:47] <Flying-Llama> ahh
[11:47] <Heimdall> Seveas multiverse ?
[11:48] <Seveas> that's what places -> connect to server is for
[11:48] <trog_> anyone know a decent podcast client?
[11:48] <Seveas> Heimdall: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:48] <Flying-Llama> then what is gftp for
[11:48] <Seveas> Heimdall: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:48] <Seveas> Heimdall, and also www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components
[11:48] <hajiki> is there something i need to do to allow smtp connections from non localhost?
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> hajiki: yes
[11:48] <jmi> My Hoary system has stopped mounting CD-ROMS, my camera and my iPod - no error messages, just doesn't automount
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> hajiki: you need to edit master.cf
[11:48] <Flying-Llama> what use is gftp?
[11:48] <jmi> Any suggestions where to start looking?
[11:48] <HrdwrBoB> .conf actually I think
[11:49] <Seveas> jmi, have you perhaps disabled it?
[11:49] <thechitowncubs> Seveas: I got this far: zenity --title="Yahoo! Launch Music Video Player" --entry --text="Music Video ID"  (but now i don't know how to inject it into my script)
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> jmi: sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart
[11:49] <Seveas> jmi, system -> prefs removable media
[11:49] <HrdwrBoB> Flying-Llama: what do you mean?
[11:49] <Flying-Llama> can linux just connect to ftp without gftp?
[11:49] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, yes
[11:49] <tenshiKur0> just thought i'd share... currently installing i*86 architecture ubuntu on my pbook g4, using VPC, installs running fine so far, h/ware scan without errors...
[11:50] <Seveas> but applications need to understand gnome-vfs in order to use that
[11:50] <Flying-Llama> so what is gftp for?
[11:50] <jmi> Seveas: No, I've just reinstalled. Tried restarting hotplug and removable media options are enabled.
[11:50] <Flying-Llama> ahh thanks Seveas
[11:50] <squinn> Flying-Llama, GRAPHICAL version of ftp
[11:50] <Flying-Llama> ahhhhhh
[11:50] <Flying-Llama> sorryyy
[11:50] <Seveas> jmi, maybe your current user isn't in the plugdev group
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> Flying-Llama: it's the same as in windows or whatever
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> you can use built in ftp
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> or a dedicated client
[11:50] <Flying-Llama> ok thanks
[11:50] <thechitowncubs> Seveas: what do i need to inject it into the script now that I got this far?
[11:51] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, can you past that url again please
[11:51] <thechitowncubs> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43058
[11:51] <jmi> Seveas: No, definitely in plugdev
[11:52] <Flying-Llama> "No DHCP offers received." How? My Airport Base gives DHCP in every other OS?
[11:52] <ThE__OnE> Seveas, it dont mount, it gives me errors, can i PM you to apaste it?
[11:52] <hajiki> HrdwrBoB, should i change this unix part to inet? -> smtp      unix  -       -       -       -       -       smtp
[11:53] <Seveas> thechitowncubs, you can het the entered value into a variable using VAR=$(zenity ....)
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> hajiki: somewhere there will be a 127.0.0.1
[11:53] <X3N> Seveas you must be a sophisticated robot, or an amazing person who can deal with and solve multiple problems at once... it's amazing
[11:53] <HrdwrBoB> hajiki: you need to change it to 0.0.0.0
[11:53] <thechitowncubs> Seveas: Great, I actually understood that, thanks for the help
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> master.cf:127.0.0.1:smtp inet n   -       -       -       -       smtpd
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> that line
[11:54] <Seveas> X3N, lol :)
[11:54] <hajiki> HrdwrBoB, I have this -> mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 in main.cf
[11:54] <SirGir> eh, I have no desktop in GNOME anymore. No icons or background.. it's just gray! I used GNOME Configurator from gnomefiles.org and checked off "Show Desktop", but then I checked it back I still have no desktop! Help!
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> hajiki: that defines IPs that are able to relay
[11:54] <Flying-Llama> why isnt my airport base station (access point) not sending DHCP info to my iBook and it's STANDARD Airport card in Ubuntu?
[11:54] <Seveas> thks
[11:54] <Seveas> i needed that
[11:54] <HrdwrBoB> the master.cf defines how it makes itself available
[11:55] <Flying-Llama> where is it?
[11:55] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, are you 100% positive you entered the wep-key and essid right?
[11:55] <hajiki> root@box:/etc/postfix# cat master.cf | grep 127
[11:55] <Seveas> you can use iwconfig to check
[11:55] <hajiki> that returns nothing
[11:55] <Flying-Llama> yes Seveas
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> hajiki: well then you may already have changed it
[11:55] <Flying-Llama> let me reenter it just in case...
[11:56] <hajiki> I just installed and havent done anything, hmmm
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> unfortunately I must go, if you haven't figured it out in an hour to an hour and a half, I'll be back
[11:56] <Flying-Llama> Seveas: does it mean anything if my ESSID is something like FFF-FFF FFFFF
[11:56] <Flying-Llama> with a space
[11:56] <hajiki> ok thnx
[11:56] <Flying-Llama> where F is a letter
[11:57] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, yes, that (probably) means you have made some mistake
[11:57] <lamont> hajiki: in main.cf, search for 'loop'
[11:57] <SirGir> Can I reset GNOME's default settings? My desktop is gone.. =/
[11:57] <lamont> hajiki: inet_interfaces = loopback-only
[11:57] <Flying-Llama> Seveas: im sure I spelled it right
[11:58] <hajiki> lamont, thanks!!!
[11:58] <Yvonne> tommo`: !
[11:58] <chrissturm> can i configure xchat to have different nicks on different networks?
[11:59] <tommo`> Yvonne: !
[11:59] <Flying-Llama> in iwconf, it says access point: 44:44:44:44:44:44, is this normal?
[11:59] <lamont> hajiki: np.  warty didn't have that parameter, so it had to tweak master.cf
[11:59] <fabio> hello all
[11:59] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, no, it means it did not associate correctly
[11:59] <Flying-Llama> hi
[11:59] <Flying-Llama> ahh
[11:59] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, try iwlist scan
[12:00] <Flying-Llama> ok
[12:00] <ompaul> hello fabio