[12:02] <Riddell> that remote desktop thing is quite nifty
[12:02] <Riddell> abbas: no idea what the problem is I'm afraid though
[12:02] <uniq> check dma for the cdrom.
[12:03] <abbas> thank you  riddell
[12:03] <Riddell> uniq: how does he do that?
[12:03] <uniq> hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom
[12:04] <Riddell> abbas: try the command uniq gave
[12:04] <abbas> dev/cdrom:
[12:04] <abbas>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[12:04] <abbas>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[12:05] <uniq> if dma was the problem everything should go smooth now.
[12:08] <uniq> riddell: as for the MOTUNewPackages -  kbandwidth is fixed. if you haven't found any new problems? I don't havce the time to look at knights right now. i'm working on ipodslave.. i'll make a -dev package with .la and .h files.
[12:11] <Riddell> uniq: but what would the -dev be needed for?
[12:12] <uniq> do you think i should just drop the .h files? 
[12:14] <uniq> it's the headers for the libraries accessing the ipod.. and the itunesdb. as of now i doubt anything else is using them.
[12:15] <Riddell> right, libkpod.so and libitunesdb
[12:15] <uniq> i could separate them too.
[12:16] <Riddell> uniq: if other things are likely to compile against them I guess they should be in separate packages too
[12:16] <uniq> yes.
[12:16] <Riddell> gosh, how complex
[12:18] <abbas> uniq can you see my problem
[12:18] <abbas> :)
[12:20] <uniq> abbas: enabling dma didn't help? - what does 'dmesg|tail -n10' say? - could you paste that on http://kubuntu.pastebin.com ? 
[12:23] <abbas>  send
[12:24] <uniq> I/O error.
[12:24] <uniq> could the CD be broken?
[12:25] <abbas> no
[12:28] <abbas> but on the ubuntu it is mount 
[12:28] <abbas> why?
[12:29] <abbas> why isn't mount on the kubuntu
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[10:04] <JRe> ubuntu review: http://www.reviewlinux.com/articles/8/1/Ubuntu---A-New-Approach-to-Desktop-Linux
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[12:18] <\sh> (new) kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts_0.1-0ubuntu1.diff.gz optional kde
[12:18] <\sh> (new) kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts_0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc optional kde
[12:18] <\sh> (new) kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts_0.1.orig.tar.gz optional kde
[12:18] <\sh> Changes: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts (0.1-0ubuntu1) breezy; urgency=low
[12:18] <\sh> Your package contains new components which requires manual editing of
[12:18] <\sh> the override file. It is ok otherwise, so please be patient. New
[12:18] <\sh> packages are usually added to the override file about once a week.
[12:18] <\sh> strike...uploaded
[12:20] <Riddell> \sh: groovy
[12:21] <\sh> Riddell, I wrote, that you signed as well, in the upload section of motunewpackages...;)
[12:21] <JRe> \sh: thanks for your review!
[12:22] <\sh> JRe, I'm on kat right now...and I think there is the same workaround usable as in katapult
[12:22] <JRe> \sh: ok ;)
[12:23] <\sh> riddell: have a look on motu :)
[12:27] <\sh> JRe, hmmm...
[12:27] <\sh> cd /tmp/buildd/kat-0.5.4/. && make -f admin/Makefile.common configure
[12:27] <\sh> make[2] : Entering directory `/tmp/buildd/kat-0.5.4'
[12:27] <\sh> ./admin/cvs.sh: line 13: autoconf: command not found
[12:27] <\sh> make[2] : *** [configure]  Error 1
[12:28] <JRe> \sh: mmm
[12:28] <JRe> \sh: j have to put autoconf in build deps ?
[12:29] <\sh> jre: u can disable the autotools generation at all...
[12:29] <\sh> or is it important to rebuild configure, aclocal, makefiles etc?
[12:30] <JRe> \sh: i don't think i have enabled autotools generation
[12:30] <JRe> \sh: i take a look
[12:30] <\sh> JRe, I think it's default...check cdbs
[12:36] <JRe> \sh: no it don't seems to be the default
[12:36] <JRe> \sh: may be in the kde class i take a look
[12:39] <elmo> Riddell: ?
[12:40] <JRe> \sh: may be it's because i patch admin/acinclude.m4.in ?
[12:40] <Riddell> elmo?
[12:40] <\sh> ah
[12:41] <elmo> Riddell: why split out the kubuntu shortcuts to a separate package?
[12:42] <\sh> JRe, then u should b-d autotools-dev and automake1.7
[12:42] <JRe> \sh: yes sure, thanks!
[12:43] <Riddell> elmo: seems a neater way to me, since they arn't part of upstream.  what's the disadvantage?
[12:48] <elmo> every package that exists has a cost, which although it's small for one package, adds up signficantly when you times it by 16k
[12:48] <elmo> and the cost is inflicted on all users, not just users of the package
[12:48] <elmo> so there needs to be a good reason to create separate packages
[12:49] <elmo> and if the package does what it says on the tin, I imagine you'd want it installed by default for kubuntu?
[12:49] <Riddell> yes
[12:49] <elmo> and if you would, that leads us back to: why separate it?
[12:49] <elmo> it doesn't seem any different, than e.g. the changed default homepage in firefox
[12:50] <\sh> elmo, cause we can put more toys inside, and u don't have to bug the buildds with compiling hardcore kdelibs and kdebase stuff all around when I change something only in some textfiles and config stuff
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[01:31] <hunger> Were some styles lost with the recent qt upgrade?
[01:35] <Riddell> hunger: quite possible, got any in mind?
[01:37] <Riddell> elmo: keeping it separate is simpler from our point of view but I'm happy to cede to whichever way you choose
[01:48] <\sh> Riddell, do you know if someone is working on kolab?
[01:48] <Riddell> \sh: not that I know of
[01:49] <Riddell> \sh: kolab 1 was pretty well impossible to package in a Debian Policy consistent way
[01:49] <Riddell> suspect kolab 2 is the same
[01:50] <\sh> Riddell, because of the deps to apache,cyrus??
[01:51] <Riddell> \sh: because it installed everything in /kolab and came with its own apache and cyrus
[01:52] <Riddell> if it's possible to make it use the debian apache and cyrus that would be good
[01:52] <\sh> Riddell, problem is "cyrus in debian is quite old" e.g. On my root server I'm running the cyrus imapd from experimental
[01:53] <\sh> cause of the format of libdb4.x and configs, which I recovered from gentoo install
[01:53] <\sh> apache isn't the problem at all I think...will have a look
[01:53] <hunger> Riddell: The MacOSX-ish one.
[02:01] <Riddell> hunger: kwin-baghira works for me
[02:02] <hunger> Riddell: I'm talking about the qt-widget styles.
[02:03] <\sh> motaboy, u there?
[02:03] <Riddell> hunger: widget style works too
[02:04] <hunger> Riddell: Works for me as well... it is just that the style I used to use is suddenly missing.
[02:05] <Riddell> hunger: how can it be missing if it works?
[02:05] <hunger> Riddell: If falls back to using something else.
[02:05] <hunger> Riddell: And I can switch to others... just not to the one I had.
[02:06] <hunger> None of the ones offered does a good highlighting of the active tab:-(
[02:22] <motaboy> \sh: now.
[02:23] <\sh> motaboy, you're a member right now? 
[02:23] <motaboy> \sh: yes. :D
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[02:42] <Riddell> motaboy: what's happening with you at CC meeting?
[02:44] <motaboy> Riddell: ?
[02:44] <Riddell> motaboy: mako said he's get to you later
[02:44] <motaboy> Riddell: dholbach asked to go to ubuntu-meeting for becoming a MOTU
[02:45] <motaboy> Riddell: but I'm just a member, so I don't understand If I have to show up again or not. :(
[02:45] <Riddell> but you're already a member, you need a technical board meeting to become a MOTU
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[02:46] <motaboy> Riddell: eheheh. sorry.
[02:51] <Riddell> Mez: "where do you want to see ubuntu/kubuntu go"  quick, think up a good answer to that
[02:52] <Mez> lol
[02:57] <\sh> mez: 90x10 
[02:57] <\sh> that's the answer
[02:57] <Mez> 900 ?
[02:57] <\sh> no
[02:57] <Mez> \sh, I've already done one :D
[02:57] <Mez> Riddwll liked it
[02:57] <\sh> 90% of all desktop users in 2010 ;) 
[02:57] <Mez> I want to see ubuntu improve on it's already established base of being user friendly, and to eventually see it surpass other linux distributions in the fact that while being technologically superior, it is also user and newbie friendly
[02:58] <Riddell> Mez: a word for Kubuntu in there would be nice :)
[02:58] <Mez> weill do
[02:59] <jjesse> better documentation then any other Open Source project
[03:00] <Riddell> hello jjesse 
[03:01] <jjesse> hello riddell
[03:01] <Riddell> jjesse: planning on becoming an elite kubuntu hacker?
[03:10] <\sh> motaboy, your person
[03:12] <Mez> I never got to use my thing
[03:14] <Riddell> Mez: save it for maintainership :)
[03:14] <Mez> lol
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[03:14] <Mez> er... I think i ought to go now :D
[03:15] <Riddell> Mez: long enough to get on ogra's good side :)
[03:15] <Mez> lol :D
[03:16] <Mez> anyhoo :D I think i ought to be going and talkign to my gf
[03:16] <Mez> and i got an apple thing to go to aswell
[03:16] <Mez> :D
[03:22] <Mez> Riddell - I'm prob gonna need maintainership before that
[03:22] <Mez> Backports ;)
[04:11] <JRe> Anyone was able to import his GPG key into launchpad ?
[04:12] <\sh> no
[04:12] <\sh> did u receive an email?
[04:12] <JRe> \sh: no 
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[04:13] <JRe> \sh: At least one UID should be validated to get the key imported as your <- it s what hit say
[04:15] <JRe> \sh: moreover, noone as never sign my key ;)
[04:20] <\sh> GPG Keys:  	 1 GPG key(s)
[04:21] <\sh> worked...I was looking at the wrong email account ;)
[04:21] <\sh> sh@linux-server.org 
[04:36] <motaboy> too bad. the new abakus uses scons...
[04:36] <motaboy> and I cannot understand how to install in debian/tmp...
[04:37] <Riddell> motaboy: look at how uniq did kio-locate
[04:37] <motaboy> Riddell: thanks
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[04:58] <motaboy> uh. I have to force it in the prefix. I personally don't like it, but I can be wrong. :D
[04:58] <Riddell> motaboy: what's wrong with that?
[05:03] <motaboy> Riddell: I think that prefix should be the right dir where's it's installed. I can rember that it's also used by libtool to set the rpath. But with scons libtool isn't used so maybe it's not a problem or I'm totally wrong :D.
[05:22] <uniq> hi.
[05:22] <uniq> amu: ping. people are asking for kde 3.4.1 for amd64. I've sold my amd64. :|
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[05:57] <motaboy> Does someone tried Network manager?
[05:58] <motaboy> I'd like to create an applet for kde, but first I have to know 2 things:
[05:58] <motaboy> 1) is already there someone working on it?
[05:58] <motaboy> 2) are the dbus QT3 bindings working (I think they are used for skype kopete plugin).
[06:01] <\sh> first somebody has to explain to me, what network manager is doing anyways
[06:01] <Riddell> motaboy: what is it?
[06:02] <motaboy> Riddell: is a deamon, (started by redhat), that will manage the network interfaces in an easy way.
[06:02] <motaboy> Riddell: it's already packages for breezy
[06:02] <motaboy> Riddell: and has a gnome applet. But the daemon is DE independent
[06:03] <motaboy> Riddell: If ubuntu move to it for net management I think that kde should have a similar applet
[06:03] <motaboy> Riddell: resuming:
[06:03] <motaboy> Riddell: network : NetworkManager
[06:03] <motaboy> Riddell: media devices: Ivman (with a possible GUI for managing it)
[06:04] <\sh> motaboy, hmm..do u want to write it in python?
[06:04] <motaboy> Riddell: ACPI and power tools: maybe GnomePowerManager 
[06:04] <motaboy> \sh: no! :D
[06:04] <motaboy> \sh: only C++!
[06:05] <motaboy> people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/
[06:05] <motaboy> http://people.redhat.com/dcbw/NetworkManager/
[06:05] <\sh> motaboy, i think i have it installed
[06:06] <\sh> but only managing my resolv.conf i don't see any advanteges
[06:06] <motaboy> \sh: I tried it. but by now it have to integrate better with the system
[06:06] <\sh> advantages
[06:06] <motaboy> \sh: the final idea, should be to use it instead of /etc/init.d/ifupdown 
[06:06] <motaboy> \sh: it has various backend that work with the distro's network tools like debian's ifup/down etc...
[06:07] <motaboy> \sh: I really think it's a great idea
[06:07] <Riddell> motaboy: I don't know of anyone working on it for KDE, but obviously you need to read their mailing lists etc to find out
[06:08] <motaboy> Riddell: just read, found nothing
[06:08] <Riddell> motaboy: there are dbus bindings for qt3, see kdebase/kioslave/media/kdedmodule/hal*
[06:09] <\sh> hmm...i don't see the NetworkManager-gnome frontend 
[06:09] <motaboy> Riddell: I know (I started the kde volume manager project but developed less code )
[06:09] <motaboy> Riddell: but they aren't the dbus bindings
[06:09] <motaboy> Riddell: they uses only the QT mainloop integration and all is managed by libhalsotrage
[06:10] <motaboy> \sh: it's inside networkmanager
[06:10] <motaboy> \sh: nm-applet
[06:10] <\sh> ah
[06:12] <Riddell> motaboy: well there's definatly dbus-qt bindings, but chances are you know more about them than me
[06:13] <motaboy> Riddell: I never used them to send messages. I'm asking on #kde-devel
[06:13] <motaboy> Riddell: BTW I found another project to start. :D
[06:16] <Riddell> motaboy: what's the other one?
[06:16] <motaboy> Riddell: kdebluetooth
[06:16] <Riddell> and how's the kdebluetooth 1.0 packages coming along?
[06:17] <motaboy> Riddell: I think that I have just to package it and it's ready. Firstly I have to ask to Fred ( the other dev)
[06:18] <motaboy> Riddell: and of course fix all the packaging problems
[06:18] <Riddell> motaboy: what are the packaging problems?
[06:19] <motaboy> Riddell: the ones that you wrote on MotuNewPackages
[06:20] <Riddell> ah :)
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[06:29] <Riddell> motaboy: 1 issue https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages
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[07:17] <brodmann> i'm trying to extract a .run file, but everytime it extracts to the folder, when it's finished, it deletes that tmp folde
[07:18] <Riddell> I've never heard of a .run file
[07:18] <brodmann> do you know of any good extraction programs?
[07:21] <Riddell> what are they?
[08:30] <\sh> Riddell, normally a binary with a shell script around...shar archive
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[08:54] <allee> Hi
[08:54] <allee> is there a place where one can easily download the debian/ubuntu pkg interdiff?
[08:56] <Riddell> allee: apt-get or packages.ubuntu.com
[08:58] <allee> apt-get I used up to now but it gets annoying ;)  I'll check p.u.c.  thx
[09:57] <Riddell> haggai: what's the environment variable used by openoffice to work out which desktop is running?
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