| squinn | mdke, what was that whole deal between you and froud there? | 12:02 |
|---|---|---|
| mdke | myself and a couple of others have a problem with his work methods | 12:03 |
| mdke | hopefully we will sort it | 12:03 |
| mdke | at least we talk about it.. | 12:04 |
| philipacamaniac | from an outside perspective, its making it difficult for me to decide whether or not to pursue real docteam work, or rather to just contribute to the wiki | 12:04 |
| mdke | i can imagine | 12:04 |
| mdke | i am sorry about that philipacamaniac | 12:04 |
| squinn | mdke, i just realized | 12:07 |
| squinn | we need that new package for breezyt | 12:07 |
| squinn | its not even in breezy repo yet. | 12:08 |
| mdke | squinn, chill! | 12:08 |
| mdke | breezy gets everything in the end | 12:08 |
| mdke | Ubuntu releases are synched with gnome releases | 12:08 |
| squinn | well i'm just freaking | 12:09 |
| squinn | with the upstream version freeze on july 7th | 12:09 |
| mdke | you're worse than jsgotango | 12:09 |
| mdke | don't panic! | 12:09 |
| squinn | haha.. | 12:10 |
| squinn | okay | 12:10 |
| squinn | yeah, i had to help jerome hack into his own computer last night | 12:11 |
| squinn | he forgot his password | 12:11 |
| mdke | *laughs* | 12:11 |
| mdke | awesome story | 12:11 |
| squinn | yesss | 12:14 |
| squinn | ubuntu automatically does what i was doing manually | 12:15 |
| squinn | i love it | 12:15 |
| squinn | i was adding in events, like meetings, to my evolution calendar | 12:15 |
| squinn | and robitaille is maintaining a live one on the web | 12:16 |
| mdke | url? | 12:16 |
| squinn | http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Calendar | 12:17 |
| squinn | and there's an ical version..which syncs with evolution | 12:17 |
| squinn | just change the http on it to webcal and add it to evolution and you're ready | 12:17 |
| mdke | oh i didn't realise there was an ical version of that page | 12:17 |
| mdke | cool | 12:17 |
| === squinn faxes in signed Ubuntu Code of Conduct | ||
| squinn | Yep. I just found it. | 12:18 |
| mdke | hmm | 12:18 |
| mdke | nice work robitaille!! | 12:18 |
| mdke | ok Be RiGhT bAcK | 12:19 |
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| squinn | mdke, welcome back | 12:24 |
| squinn | what does SABDFL mean?' | 12:24 |
| mdke | thanks | 12:24 |
| squinn | i know its mark's nick | 12:24 |
| mdke | erm | 12:24 |
| squinn | but is it an abbreviation? | 12:24 |
| mdke | yes its an anacronym | 12:24 |
| mdke | erm | 12:24 |
| === mdke racks brains | ||
| mdke | self appointed... | 12:24 |
| mdke | b, dunno | 12:25 |
| mdke | dictator for life | 12:25 |
| squinn | bastard? lol | 12:25 |
| squinn | as in bastard operator from hell kinda bastard? | 12:25 |
| mdke | hmm | 12:25 |
| mdke | i think its a positive B | 12:25 |
| mdke | not sure | 12:25 |
| squinn | Benevolent | 12:25 |
| squinn | that's it | 12:25 |
| squinn | "Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life" | 12:26 |
| squinn | found on slashdot | 12:26 |
| mdke | yeah that was it | 12:26 |
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| mdke | exit | 02:07 |
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| philipacamaniac | mdke | 02:34 |
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| squinn | robitaille, i'm in debt to you | 03:32 |
| squinn | i love your iCal adaptation of the ubuntu calendar | 03:32 |
| robitaille | thanks. I kept missing meetings, so a while back I decided to start maintaining one. I'm glad it is of use (I actually have no idea how many people are subscribing to it) | 03:43 |
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| squinn | hey jerome | 06:09 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 06:09 |
| jsgotangco | whats up | 06:09 |
| squinn | not much, i was nominated for commit account [yay] | 06:10 |
| jsgotangco | thats great elmo will probably have it done later or tommorow | 06:10 |
| squinn | yep ye | 06:36 |
| squinn | p | 06:36 |
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| froud | morn everyone, African greetings | 07:52 |
| jsgotangco | hello | 07:52 |
| judax | Texas greetings | 07:53 |
| jsgotangco | "Thoughts questions? Silence will be interpreted as consent" | 07:53 |
| jsgotangco | froud :( | 07:53 |
| froud | jsgotangco: see [proposal] message for hacking the k user guide. responses wanted | 07:53 |
| froud | jsgotangco: :( ? | 07:54 |
| jsgotangco | you're gonna take a lot of flack for that statement | 07:54 |
| froud | which? | 07:54 |
| jsgotangco | "Thoughts questions? Silence will be interpreted as consent" | 07:54 |
| froud | that's a dig at mdke :-) | 07:54 |
| froud | see logs | 07:55 |
| jsgotangco | i know, but why? | 07:55 |
| froud | and if ppl what to flack me its ok I have enough holes in me already so most bullets will just go straight through :-) | 07:55 |
| jsgotangco | i will take this email as a "yes i am back and will contribute to whatever extent i can" | 07:56 |
| froud | on kde there is no problem | 07:56 |
| froud | kde ships html | 07:56 |
| froud | :-) | 07:56 |
| jsgotangco | would you prefer to just do kde then | 07:56 |
| froud | right? | 07:56 |
| froud | jsgotangco: I am just leading by example | 07:57 |
| froud | :-) | 07:57 |
| judax | got to run to bed, you guys have a great day | 07:57 |
| froud | bye | 07:57 |
| jsgotangco | i'm not in the mood for a long chat/explanation, i'll assume you'll do whatever you can within boundaries of your interest | 07:58 |
| froud | jsgotangco: people work when there is work being done. I am starting. Just like you fond with kwickguide, ppl come when things happen | 07:58 |
| froud | jsgotangco: thanks for the permission :-) | 07:58 |
| jsgotangco | yes so i'll keep it as that | 07:58 |
| jsgotangco | ? | 07:58 |
| froud | just joking dude | 07:59 |
| jsgotangco | i don't want people seeing you in the gray area of things | 07:59 |
| froud | oh dude, some will and some won't. | 07:59 |
| froud | I am getting used to the gray area, actually it is a good place, seems lots gets done there :-) | 08:00 |
| === jsgotangco puts froud on guy responsible for kubuntu user guide | ||
| froud | jsgotangco: but I am not the only one, gtalyor and jjesse will be hacking it | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | urrkk i hate moin tables | 08:01 |
| froud | they are fun | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | no they're not if you're monitor is only capable of 1024x768 :P | 08:09 |
| froud | ok b c'ing ya | 08:09 |
| froud | meetings | 08:09 |
| Burgundavia | http://hula-project.org/Wiki_Conversion | 08:17 |
| jsgotangco | yes that's nice | 08:18 |
| jsgotangco | its mediawiki | 08:18 |
| jsgotangco | i loovvee mediawiki | 08:18 |
| Burgundavia | so do I | 08:23 |
| Burgundavia | I really wish they would consider us when they did the wiki move | 08:23 |
| Burgundavia | as we are probably the largest user of the wiki | 08:23 |
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| brodmann | does anyone have planeshift installed? | 08:39 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, ping? | 09:20 |
| Burgundavia | here | 09:20 |
| jsgotangco | would you like to adopt a document in svn? | 09:20 |
| Burgundavia | not for a least another month | 09:21 |
| Burgundavia | I am in the middle of searching for a job | 09:21 |
| jsgotangco | its ok theres no rush | 09:21 |
| jsgotangco | i just want to fill up this table in the wiki | 09:21 |
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| jsgotangco | ok no pressure then | 09:31 |
| Burgundavia | lol | 09:31 |
| Burgundavia | just dumped 3 posts on p.u.c | 09:32 |
| jsgotangco | mr potato head | 09:34 |
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| jsgotangco | mdke, hi | 10:08 |
| mdke | hi jsgotangco | 10:14 |
| mdke | how are you? | 10:14 |
| jsgotangco | im ok im doing wiki work now | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | i could not do everything at the same time | 10:15 |
| jsgotangco | hence i made up my schedule | 10:15 |
| mdke | cool | 10:17 |
| mdke | making a kde quickguide status page? cool | 10:17 |
| jsgotangco | no | 10:17 |
| jsgotangco | im cleaning up the whole wiki | 10:17 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 10:17 |
| mdke | right | 10:17 |
| jsgotangco | i think i should love our wiki now | 10:17 |
| jsgotangco | the last one was terrible | 10:17 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, what document are you going to adopt | 10:18 |
| jsgotangco | i'll put it in the table | 10:18 |
| mdke | i don't think I am going to adopt one | 10:19 |
| jsgotangco | gyaahhh | 10:19 |
| mdke | hopefully we'll have some volunteers on the gnome user guide | 10:19 |
| jsgotangco | i'll edit the table to make it look more understandable with the status | 10:20 |
| jsgotangco | ill projmgmt the whole thing | 10:20 |
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| mdke | cool | 10:23 |
| mdke | perhaps "status" and "info" should be merged | 10:23 |
| jsgotangco | the udu breezygoals wiki is a good sample of having everything visible all at once | 10:24 |
| mdke | yes | 10:24 |
| jsgotangco | probably we can adopt the WIP, TBC, Pending, etc. style? | 10:24 |
| mdke | it might be easier to have 1 table rather than 3 | 10:25 |
| jsgotangco | merge all of them? | 10:25 |
| jsgotangco | some of the generic docs might not be able to make it at all | 10:26 |
| mdke | i think it would look better | 10:26 |
| jsgotangco | you have a point | 10:27 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 10:27 |
| mdke | well the installguide should remain | 10:31 |
| mdke | you should probably remove the stuff which is not in our goals | 10:31 |
| jsgotangco | ok i'll just make priorities i guess | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | priorities would be the major docs | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | seconds would be some generic stuff | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | ill put styleguide as priority | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | wtf the wiki just died on me | 11:31 |
| mpt | wahhhhh | 12:27 |
| mpt | holy wiki bug, batman | 12:27 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:30 |
| jsgotangco | its running now | 12:30 |
| jsgotangco | mpt | 12:32 |
| jsgotangco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | 12:32 |
| jsgotangco | would a style like this be more preferable like what we did in UDU? | 12:32 |
| mpt | jsgotangco, I don't understand that question, it's missing a "than" or a "to" :-) | 12:33 |
| jsgotangco | oh right english is not my primary language :) | 12:34 |
| mpt | jsgotangco: The wiki being down isn't the bug. The bug is that http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SELinux and https://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SELinux are completely different pages. | 12:34 |
| jsgotangco | oooohhh | 12:34 |
| jsgotangco | WOW | 12:34 |
| JonA | jsgotangco: Good work on the DocteamProjects page. | 12:46 |
| jsgotangco | you dig it? | 12:47 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 12:47 |
| jsgotangco | its much clearer thats how we did it during UDU | 12:47 |
| JonA | jsgotangco: I dig it :-) | 12:48 |
| jsgotangco | nice thanks | 12:49 |
| jsgotangco | Status Page and HTML Preview are kinda cloudy for now | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | but its a start to have the show running smoothly | 12:50 |
| JonA | Is make regularly generating the docs from SVN for preview? | 12:53 |
| JonA | *Mako | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | i have no idea | 12:54 |
| jsgotangco | its probabaly just the previous team using mako's shell | 12:54 |
| mpt | What's the Moin code for a redirect? | 01:48 |
| mpt | nm | 01:51 |
| squinn | JonA, I'm all clear to work together on GNOME user guide. | 01:59 |
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| jsgotangco | sivang, hey | 02:13 |
| sivang | hey jsgotangco | 02:13 |
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| JonA | squinn: Cool. I'll send you an email with my rough work plan when it's done. | 02:40 |
| squinn | Sure, great. | 02:40 |
| jjesse | morning or whatever time of day it is for you :) | 02:47 |
| jsgotangco | jeezz im getting hungry | 02:47 |
| squinn | morning here jjesse ..so..morning | 02:48 |
| jjesse | grin never know what time it is for people | 02:48 |
| jsgotangco | ok people, please fill up the blanks on this page | 02:49 |
| jsgotangco | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | 02:49 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 02:49 |
| squinn | done | 02:57 |
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| jjesse | jsgotangco just people taking charge of the projects right? so if i'm working on a project but not in charge there is nothing really to fill in? | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | that title is misleading | 03:00 |
| jsgotangco | that field is supposed to say who's working on it rather than who's owning it | 03:01 |
| jsgotangco | because it might impede people from contributing if they see someone who already owns it | 03:01 |
| jsgotangco | Doctem Members Involved | 03:02 |
| jsgotangco | sounds good? | 03:02 |
| jjesse | for example, working on kde userguide so i add my name | 03:02 |
| jjesse | and i like that change to the name | 03:02 |
| jjesse | grin work calls have a good day | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | holy wiki conflict | 03:14 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:14 |
| squinn | I moved to your stuff | 03:14 |
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| jsgotangco | froud, hi | 03:18 |
| squinn | morning froud | 03:19 |
| froud | jsgotangco: hi | 03:19 |
| froud | squinn: hi | 03:19 |
| === squinn upgrades to breezy | ||
| jsgotangco | good luck | 03:20 |
| squinn | i know | 03:20 |
| squinn | i used to run gentoo unstable though | 03:21 |
| squinn | so i guess i'll be ready | 03:21 |
| froud | MS Office XML Formats Not OK with GNU | 03:26 |
| jsgotangco | ? | 03:26 |
| jsgotangco | im outta here | 03:26 |
| froud | MS Office XML Formats Not OK with GNU | 03:26 |
| froud | Peter Galli, eWEEK | 03:26 |
| froud | The royalty-free license under which Microsoft plans to make its | 03:26 |
| froud | upcoming new Office Open XML Formats widely available is incompatible | 03:26 |
| froud | with the GNU General Public License and will thus prevent many free and | 03:26 |
| froud | open-source software projects from using the formats, community | 03:26 |
| froud | officials say. In addition, a leading patent official is calling into | 03:26 |
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| jsgotangco | ok bye bye | 03:28 |
| JonA | squinn: Suggest pinning back xfonts-* | 03:38 |
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| squinn | Wait, what, JonA? | 03:40 |
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| JonA | squinn: I upgraded a testing maching to breezy a couple of days ago. Big problems with X, which can be made into more manageable problems if you don't upgrade the xfonts-* packages. | 04:00 |
| JonA | Also, don't upgrade the libxft2 package. | 04:00 |
| JonA | If you're upgrading with Synaptic, just use the "lock package" command under the Package menu. | 04:01 |
| squinn | oh fock. | 04:02 |
| squinn | i gotta remember how to downgrade pkgs now | 04:02 |
| squinn | save | 04:03 |
| squinn | it didn't upgrade yet, just downloaded files | 04:03 |
| JonA | :-) | 04:03 |
| gtaylor | jesus, remember that Ubuntu review I wrote/pasted in here yesterday? | 04:13 |
| squinn | gtaylor, noh | 04:18 |
| squinn | oh | 04:18 |
| squinn | heh, just viewed it on osnews | 04:18 |
| squinn | and didn't realize greg taylor = gtaylor | 04:18 |
| === gtaylor guess I should've clarified my rating scale :) | ||
| gtaylor | And spelled "drool" correctly | 04:19 |
| squinn | hah | 04:19 |
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| gtaylor | I didn't think someone was going to post some review on some unknown Linux site like that so I didn't spend a whole lot of time on it | 04:20 |
| squinn | ah, i see | 04:25 |
| squinn | welcome back, JonA | 04:26 |
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| gtaylor | heh, a retort: http://squishywaffle.com/article.php/20050621101115454 | 05:03 |
| squinn | heh, gtaylor, you seem familiar from somewhere | 05:06 |
| squinn | braves fan, then, eh? | 05:06 |
| squinn | or just happy they beat UF? | 05:06 |
| squinn | oh, not UF, florida marlins | 05:08 |
| gtaylor | I do like the Braves, and yeah I missed the game but am glad they finally beat them | 05:09 |
| squinn | Ah. | 05:10 |
| squinn | I live in Florida, yet despise the Marlind. | 05:10 |
| squinn | Marlins.* | 05:10 |
| squinn | and the Nationals. and the Phillies. and the Braves. | 05:10 |
| squinn | That pretty much leaves my team all but revealed. | 05:10 |
| squinn | I bet ATL's fans are a lot more genuine then John Rocker portrayed my team's fans to be. | 05:10 |
| jjesse | is it just me or is the wiki slow today? | 05:11 |
| squinn | wiki's a little slow for me today | 05:11 |
| gtaylor | I can't believe the Nationals coming in from nowhere and kicking so much ass | 05:21 |
| squinn | gtaylor, I know it. My team was tied for first..and is slowly sinking into last. | 05:23 |
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| gtaylor | Who are you pulling for? | 05:24 |
| gtaylor | Yankees? :) | 05:24 |
| squinn | NL East. | 05:25 |
| squinn | RIVALS of the Yankees and the Braves. | 05:25 |
| squinn | That OTHER New York team. | 05:25 |
| squinn | I'll brb, restart of X | 05:26 |
| gtaylor | blah, even worse :) | 05:27 |
| === gtaylor makes fun of the Mets while squinn is out | ||
| jjesse | the mets stink :) | 05:27 |
| jjesse | unlike my team the detroit tigers | 05:28 |
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| === mpt sees gtaylor's review on Google News | ||
| === squinn saw it on osnews | ||
| gtaylor | wtf? Google News? | 05:52 |
| gtaylor | Jesus christ, have people not seen an Ubuntu review before? Why is this thing getting plastered everywhere? | 05:53 |
| mpt | heh | 05:53 |
| gtaylor | It's the rating I gave it I bet. I've asked the site admin to let me clarify what my scale is setup like (which I should've done in the first place) | 05:53 |
| gtaylor | 1 being equivalent to absolute worse Linux distro (currently) and 10 equivalent to one of the best/the best Desktop Linux (currently) | 05:54 |
| gtaylor | 10 != perfect. There's no reason to have a 10 if nothing will ever reach it. | 05:54 |
| mpt | gtaylor: My personal Google News page has an "Ubuntu Linux" category, which is currently showing me <http://addict3d.org/index.php?page=viewarticle&type=news&ID=7646>, which is an extended excerpt of your review | 05:54 |
| gtaylor | if one of you people slashdot that article I'm going to kill you :) | 05:55 |
| gtaylor | I'll start getting dead animals on my front door if it gets there | 05:55 |
| mpt | You're safe, it's not interesting enough | 05:55 |
| === mpt ducks | ||
| gtaylor | heh, it was hastily written and sent out without screenshots or anything really | 05:56 |
| mpt | getting osnewsed is easy | 05:56 |
| gtaylor | I'm getting like 7 comment emails a minute and there's no way to turn them off on the linux review site | 05:57 |
| mpt | There's only 6 comments on the site! | 05:57 |
| gtaylor | those are the only visible ones | 05:57 |
| mpt | oh, you're the moderator? | 05:57 |
| gtaylor | the users have to specifically check the "Make my comment visible" box and the admin has to approve them | 05:57 |
| gtaylor | no, the webmaster guy is | 05:58 |
| gtaylor | people are of course now bitching that no negative comments are showing up and blaming it on me :) | 05:58 |
| mpt | yeah | 05:58 |
| mpt | I was first wondering why the rating at the top of the article looked more like 4/5 than the 10/10 you'd given it | 05:58 |
| mpt | eventually I realized it was ratings given by readers, but then I was wondering why the 4/5 was different from the 29/30 of the visible comments | 05:59 |
| mpt | gtaylor: But I disagree that there's no reason to have a 10 if nothing will ever reach it | 06:00 |
| mpt | You need to allow room for improvement | 06:00 |
| mpt | Operating systems today are like cars in the 1910s | 06:01 |
| gtaylor | improvement to a point that will never be reached? :) | 06:01 |
| mpt | They've developed in leaps and bounds from the ones that were available 20 years ago, but they're still really really really crappy. | 06:01 |
| gtaylor | If he lets me update it I'll probably just do a percentile since even a 1-20 scale is a bit kludgey | 06:03 |
| gtaylor | a 10/10 could be rounded up from 9.6 :) | 06:03 |
| mpt | heh | 06:03 |
| mpt | and wipe up the drule :-) | 06:04 |
| gtaylor | blargh | 06:04 |
| gtaylor | you can tell I use that word a lot | 06:04 |
| gtaylor | look at that guy's Fedora review, it has spelling errors in the summary | 06:04 |
| gtaylor | I make like 1-2 typos and people are like, "ooooh, non-native English speaker!" | 06:05 |
| mpt | "I selected my timezone, accepted the GPL..." <-- This distributor doesn't understand the GPL | 06:05 |
| gtaylor | eh? | 06:08 |
| mpt | The GPL is not an EULA | 06:08 |
| gtaylor | where are you seeing that? | 06:08 |
| gtaylor | I mean where did you quote it? | 06:08 |
| mpt | in the Fedora review | 06:08 |
| gtaylor | the one with the tacky screenshot or the bad spelling guy? | 06:09 |
| mpt | tacky screenshot I guess, I don't see any misspellings | 06:10 |
| mpt | http://www.reviewlinux.com/articles/11/1/The-Fedora-Core-4-Review-- | 06:10 |
| mpt | apart from "very updated", which is grammar, not spelling | 06:10 |
| gtaylor | that screenshot makes me want to run away screaming | 06:10 |
| mpt | That's what Linux looks like on Neptune | 06:10 |
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| mpt | to borrow a phrase from elsewhere in the article, it "doesn't look very well" | 06:11 |
| gtaylor | heh | 06:12 |
| mpt | Reviews are hard to do well | 06:14 |
| mpt | but publicity is good. | 06:18 |
| squinn | yep. | 06:19 |
| squinn | PC World's #1 Linux Distribution of 2005 heh | 06:19 |
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| philipacamaniac_ | mdke, you available? | 07:33 |
| mdke | i am indeed philipacamaniac_ | 07:34 |
| philipacamaniac_ | sorry about the _ on my name, don't know who the heck else would use my nick :) | 07:35 |
| philipacamaniac_ | anyway, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhilipCain/HTML2MoinTest | 07:35 |
| philipacamaniac_ | it kinda worked, but crucial things, like headings as links, didn't | 07:35 |
| mdke | *grins* | 07:36 |
| mdke | get it back with /msg nickserv help | 07:36 |
| mdke | but np | 07:36 |
| mdke | headings as links? | 07:37 |
| philipacamaniac_ | === heading === | 07:37 |
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| philipacamaniac_ | === ThisWouldntWork === | 07:37 |
| philipacamaniac_ | it is more a problem with how the KUDOS guide is layed out. if you have good, clean HTML, the script will work great | 07:38 |
| mdke | do we even have those implemented on our wiki? | 07:38 |
| mdke | omg that is awesome! | 07:38 |
| mdke | great work | 07:38 |
| mdke | well if you're doing it all on one page... | 07:39 |
| philipacamaniac_ | I found it somewhere on the moin site, but adjusted a little to work for our purposes | 07:39 |
| philipacamaniac_ | yes... | 07:39 |
| mdke | what you really want is for the tables of contents to link to the various sections | 07:39 |
| philipacamaniac_ | I'll have to think about that one | 07:39 |
| mdke | that is possible on a moin wiki using an anchor macro, but I dunno if it works on our wiki | 07:39 |
| philipacamaniac_ | anchor macro works, | 07:39 |
| philipacamaniac_ | however, if you have an anchor in the source html that has a link and a name, it only takes the link | 07:40 |
| mdke | I sent a proposal for a wiki team to the list | 07:40 |
| philipacamaniac_ | when? | 07:41 |
| mdke | right now | 07:41 |
| mdke | hmmm | 07:41 |
| philipacamaniac_ | great | 07:41 |
| squinn | i'm loving breezy | 07:42 |
| squinn | works quite well | 07:42 |
| philipacamaniac_ | gnome or KDE | 07:42 |
| squinn | gnome | 07:43 |
| mdke | ah yes i see the macro | 07:43 |
| mdke | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnMacros?action=raw | 07:43 |
| mdke | cool | 07:43 |
| squinn | JonA was kind enough to tell me what not to upgrade [some X libraries] and it's running like a charm | 07:43 |
| mdke | cool | 07:43 |
| mdke | i'll install it on my laptop if I ever get it repaired | 07:43 |
| philipacamaniac_ | mdke, the moinconvert script was fast and light... it converted the entire KUDOS html in about 7 seconds | 07:44 |
| mdke | wow | 07:44 |
| mdke | thats is well cool | 07:45 |
| philipacamaniac_ | so if I can figure out how to make it work better with multipage linking, we'll be golden | 07:45 |
| philipacamaniac_ | it sure was! | 07:45 |
| mdke | if you do, push it upstream too | 07:45 |
| mdke | #moin might be able to help | 07:45 |
| philipacamaniac_ | Yeah, I'll do that | 07:45 |
| mdke | mvirkkil is working with them on a moin->docbook converter | 07:46 |
| mdke | my god i get such a lag on this network | 07:46 |
| mdke | always full bar | 07:46 |
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| mdke | squinn, you have to be patient | 07:47 |
| philipacamaniac_ | Is there already a good HTML > DocBook converter? | 07:47 |
| mdke | it will take several days | 07:47 |
| mdke | philipacamaniac_, no | 07:47 |
| philipacamaniac_ | so, this script might actually have some use to the docteam | 07:48 |
| mdke | there are some, but they don't work propa | 07:49 |
| squinn | mdke, i am | 07:49 |
| mdke | philipacamaniac_, the html->moin one? | 07:49 |
| mdke | http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/Html2DocBook | 07:49 |
| philipacamaniac_ | mdke, yes I meant html2moin | 07:50 |
| mdke | squinn, submit patches and they will get committed | 07:51 |
| squinn | i know, i'm looking over stuff as well | 07:51 |
| philipacamaniac_ | if the HTML2DocBook starts to work better, the kudos (and others) should just be ported straight to DocBook. Is there a DocBook2Moin script? ;) | 07:52 |
| mdke | philipacamaniac_, yeah i think so! | 07:53 |
| mdke | i dunno | 07:55 |
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| mdke | philipacamaniac_, but in any case i doubt that the kudos and ubuntuguide will be maintained in our repository | 07:55 |
| philipacamaniac_ | ah yes, we'll convert from A to B, to get to C, and then take B back to A, to form D | 07:56 |
| mdke | we have already tried to get the ubuntuguide guy to play ball and work officially with us, but he wants to maintain it himself I think | 07:56 |
| jeffsch | philipacamaniac_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/doc/ArticleToMoinDesc | 07:56 |
| philipacamaniac_ | that's what I saw on the mailing list... | 07:56 |
| froud | https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/teamstuff/article2moin | 07:57 |
| philipacamaniac_ | does it work, froud and jeffsch? | 07:57 |
| froud | yeah | 07:57 |
| jeffsch | yes. but is not complete | 07:57 |
| mdke | it is work in progress | 07:57 |
| mdke | oh thats not the moin2docbook one | 07:58 |
| mdke | soz | 07:58 |
| jeffsch | i'm thinking it might be easier to do docbook->xhtml->moin | 07:58 |
| froud | :-) | 07:58 |
| philipacamaniac_ | interesting | 07:59 |
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| philipacamaniac | yay | 07:59 |
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| philipacamaniac | well, I like the idea of a wiki team | 08:02 |
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| mdke | wb | 08:06 |
| mdke | the idea of a wiki team is not a new one i think, i saw it somewhere on the wiki, although i can't find it right now | 08:06 |
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| philipacamaniac | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiToDo?highlight=%28wikiteam%29 | 08:09 |
| philipacamaniac | search good | 08:09 |
| philipacamaniac | is there a page that clearly defines the purpose of the wiki? | 08:10 |
| mdke | of the wiki in general, or our wiki? | 08:13 |
| philipacamaniac | our wiki | 08:13 |
| mdke | dunno then ;) | 08:14 |
| philipacamaniac | obviously, howtos and collaboration of the various teams, plus homepages... but I there's a lot of other stuff in there, too | 08:15 |
| philipacamaniac | like a page describing mepis | 08:16 |
| mdke | yeah | 08:16 |
| mdke | its free for all | 08:16 |
| philipacamaniac | which is fine, sorta, but maybe the wikipolicy could define the nature of possible wikipages | 08:17 |
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| mdke | ok i'll be back later | 08:18 |
| philipacamaniac | cya | 08:18 |
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| mdke | melodie, although there are some ideas about harnassing the documentation in source packages for Ubuntu (jdub is interested in that area, but is a very busy guy), there is no active project yet | 10:53 |
| melodie | mdke: the thing is I drove around the all net to find about the CD stories | 10:54 |
| mdke | hmm | 10:54 |
| mdke | to me it sounds like a bug with the program | 10:54 |
| melodie | and all around ATAPI drives | 10:54 |
| mdke | you say there is some debian documentation? | 10:54 |
| melodie | as \sh sayd It could be the hard but I checked it | 10:54 |
| melodie | the doc is | 10:54 |
| melodie | in the cdrtool-docs package | 10:55 |
| mdke | if you are interested in that particular area, a cool thing would be to take the debian documentation, suggest some amendments to it, and file a bug under that package. The other alternative might be to put something on the wiki | 10:55 |
| melodie | all the docs contain infos that are more or less obsolete | 10:55 |
| melodie | I went throught the 800 and so lines of man cdrecord also :)) | 10:56 |
| melodie | and no one doc gives accurate info | 10:56 |
| melodie | what is the best alternate ? | 10:57 |
| melodie | I've got about 11 pages on OOo notes | 10:57 |
| melodie | I file bugs each time I meeet some | 10:58 |
| melodie | and get good returns on them | 10:58 |
| melodie | :) | 10:59 |
| mdke | hmm | 10:59 |
| mdke | thats cool | 10:59 |
| mdke | i reckon a bug on the package that contains the obsolete doc | 10:59 |
| mdke | that is really useful | 10:59 |
| mdke | maybe even both :D | 10:59 |
| mdke | wiki pages are always useful | 11:00 |
| melodie | I can tell you something strange ? | 11:00 |
| mdke | tell me anything | 11:00 |
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| melodie | I dl the NeroLinux documentation :D | 11:00 |
| mdke | ok | 11:00 |
| mdke | don't tell me that :p | 11:00 |
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| melodie | I found out it's more understandable | 11:00 |
| mdke | *grins* | 11:01 |
| melodie | Oh but I dl with wget :)) | 11:01 |
| melodie | can you here me laughing ? | 11:01 |
| melodie | It does not matter, I can extract it ;) | 11:02 |
| melodie | lol | 11:02 |
| melodie | I'm kidding, but I can't burn my datas anymore | 11:02 |
| mdke | :/ | 11:02 |
| mdke | annoying | 11:03 |
| melodie | and could not find how come | 11:03 |
| mdke | have you tried burning as root? | 11:03 |
| melodie | even trying on the laptop with older datas I ripped in | 11:03 |
| melodie | even on a new user account | 11:03 |
| mdke | as root? | 11:03 |
| melodie | no | 11:03 |
| melodie | I just put the user | 11:04 |
| melodie | as belonging to all groups | 11:04 |
| mdke | linux has some problems with burning iirc | 11:04 |
| melodie | iirc ? | 11:04 |
| mdke | if i recall correctly | 11:04 |
| mdke | i think the solution is to burn as root | 11:04 |
| mdke | "Important information: Linux-2.6.8.1 breaks CD/DVD writing for suid root applications [...] If you have related problems, try to call cdrecord as real root or go back to Linux-2.4" | 11:05 |
| melodie | see, when I copy repertories to the nautilus cdcreator | 11:05 |
| mdke | (from homepage of cdrecord) | 11:05 |
| melodie | it links the files instead of copying them | 11:05 |
| melodie | then the message appears: | 11:05 |
| melodie | Error wrong chain encoding | 11:05 |
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| melodie | when I click on 'grave' | 11:06 |
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| melodie | but I is only the latest aspect of the pb | 11:06 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, alright? | 11:06 |
| mdke | melodie, i don't know enough to help you, but I think you should try running a burning program as root | 11:06 |
| judax | Greetings | 11:07 |
| melodie | hum | 11:07 |
| Burgundavia | yes, debugging an xchat craher | 11:07 |
| mdke | hi judax! | 11:07 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, aha | 11:07 |
| judax | mdke: Hi | 11:07 |
| melodie | the simpliest way would be trying that in cd line | 11:07 |
| mdke | melodie, yes | 11:07 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, i'm thinking of switching to irssi now | 11:07 |
| melodie | so I have to go back to cdrecord man | 11:07 |
| mdke | melodie, not really, you can run a graphical burner as root | 11:08 |
| melodie | Yes I know | 11:08 |
| mdke | sudo graveman or su, graveman | 11:08 |
| melodie | or start the file navigator as root, (or sudo) and use the nautilus burner | 11:09 |
| mdke | yes | 11:09 |
| mdke | but I don't trust that burner that much | 11:09 |
| melodie | I just changed it for a new one :) | 11:09 |
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| melodie | I get the same I/O errors, and on laptop too | 11:10 |
| melodie | I think the config files must be rewritten | 11:10 |
| mdke | have you tried burning at a lower speed? | 11:10 |
| melodie | yes | 11:10 |
| melodie | 4x | 11:10 |
| melodie | with 4x media | 11:10 |
| mdke | ok i have no more ideas | 11:11 |
| mdke | but if you want to get involved with editing that documentation, that would be mega cool | 11:11 |
| melodie | what do you get when graving ? | 11:11 |
| mdke | graving? | 11:11 |
| melodie | sorry | 11:11 |
| melodie | burning | 11:12 |
| mdke | it works | 11:12 |
| melodie | (I'm a frenchy) | 11:12 |
| mdke | *grins* i saw that | 11:12 |
| mdke | your english is fine | 11:12 |
| melodie | do you have ATAPI devices ? | 11:12 |
| melodie | by the way, I'm on irssi, it's really cool | 11:12 |
| mdke | i need to experiment ways to change the look | 11:13 |
| melodie | Edit/Current profile | 11:14 |
| melodie | Tab coulours or effect | 11:14 |
| melodie | It changes the look of xterm | 11:15 |
| melodie | that's what you mean ? | 11:15 |
| mdke | i dont have xterm | 11:15 |
| melodie | ? | 11:15 |
| melodie | what do you have ? | 11:15 |
| mdke | well i have it, but i don't use it | 11:15 |
| mdke | aterm | 11:15 |
| melodie | I don't know aterm | 11:16 |
| melodie | so I can tell you for xterm | 11:16 |
| melodie | or for the Kde Konsole if I remember how it is :) | 11:16 |
| mdke | presumably I can change colours for irssi somewhere | 11:16 |
| melodie | if you have a few menus in aterm... | 11:17 |
| mdke | no, i just want to change irssi colours | 11:17 |
| melodie | maybe in it's specific config file somewhere ? | 11:18 |
| mdke | yeah | 11:18 |
| melodie | If you find out, it can be a nice little how-to :) | 11:18 |
| mdke | good thinking | 11:19 |
| melodie | :) | 11:19 |
| melodie | about burning, could you tell me if you tried all sorts ? such as audio too per example ? | 11:20 |
| mdke | i don't burn much | 11:20 |
| mdke | the occasional iso | 11:20 |
| melodie | what do you use when you backup datas ? | 11:21 |
| mdke | network | 11:21 |
| melodie | from the lan you mean ? | 11:22 |
| mdke | yus | 11:22 |
| melodie | ok | 11:22 |
| melodie | that's the solution I'm thinking about to resolve momently | 11:22 |
| melodie | There would also be a need for a step to step doc with the graphic inferface and snapshots to configure a lan | 11:23 |
| melodie | mdke: what kind of documentation work do you do ? | 11:26 |
| mdke | i am not really very technically good | 11:27 |
| mdke | i have done menial tasks on the wiki | 11:27 |
| mdke | and a little bit of editing on some of our docs | 11:27 |
| mdke | i like organising | 11:28 |
| mdke | i helped organise the translations of our stuff for hoary, hopefully for breezy there will be more | 11:28 |
| melodie | I notice there seem to be more and more translations on the french official wiki | 11:29 |
| mdke | yes | 11:29 |
| mdke | the french team is doing good work | 11:29 |
| mdke | website is nice too | 11:29 |
| melodie | I read boths, but reading in french is more comfort | 11:30 |
| melodie | yes, the site looks good | 11:30 |
| melodie | and many users don't grab english too much | 11:30 |
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| melodie | so it's nice for them too | 11:30 |
| melodie | nods ? | 11:30 |
| mdke | to nod is to move the head up and down, to signify agreement | 11:31 |
| melodie | yees! | 11:31 |
| mdke | whats that in french | 11:31 |
| melodie | I didn't know thanks! :)) | 11:31 |
| melodie | I have to think about an equivalent | 11:32 |
| melodie | 'hocher de la tte' | 11:32 |
| mdke | ok | 11:32 |
| melodie | but no direct equivalent to get it short | 11:32 |
| melodie | do you talk french ? | 11:32 |
| mdke | non | 11:33 |
| melodie | lol | 11:33 |
| mdke | je parle la francais tres mal | 11:33 |
| melodie | not so bad ;) | 11:35 |
| melodie | well for the doc question, I think I could do two things | 11:35 |
| melodie | as you sayd, I could file a bug somewhere about the doc from the cdrtool-docs package | 11:36 |
| melodie | and I could try to register on the Ubuntu ml to post my questions | 11:40 |
| melodie | I didn't try it yet | 11:40 |
| melodie | and with a little luck maybe | 11:40 |
| melodie | some more advanced people | 11:40 |
| melodie | than the ones on the Ubuntu french forums might have good answers | 11:40 |
| melodie | on precise questions | 11:40 |
| melodie | ? | 11:40 |
| melodie | do you know the ml a little ? | 11:40 |
| mdke | erm | 11:40 |
| melodie | erm ? | 11:40 |
| mdke | the ubuntu-users one? | 11:40 |
| mdke | i don't know it much | 11:40 |
| melodie | Ithink so | 11:40 |
| mdke | its good tho | 11:40 |
| mdke | also ubuntu-fr | 11:40 |
| melodie | the chan ? | 11:40 |
| mdke | ML | 11:40 |
| melodie | ah ok | 11:40 |
| melodie | cause when I go to the chan with questions | 11:40 |
| melodie | there are mostly more newbees than I | 11:40 |
| mdke | ah | 11:40 |
| melodie | not all, but mostly | 11:40 |
| melodie | It's nice to help also, but I've got to get out of trouble too :) | 11:41 |
| mdke | yeah | 11:42 |
| melodie | ok, I'm going to quit now, need to sleep :) | 11:43 |
| mdke | cool | 11:43 |
| mdke | we're always here | 11:44 |
| melodie | thank you :) | 11:44 |
| melodie | I'll try to come give news for the doc project | 11:44 |
| melodie | you didn't say: what devices do you use that go well for burning ? | 11:45 |
| melodie | just to know if the same as mine :) | 11:46 |
| mdke | erm | 11:46 |
| mdke | how do I find out? | 11:46 |
| melodie | no, do you have scsi drives or atapi ? just that | 11:47 |
| mdke | i _think_ atapi | 11:47 |
| melodie | ok, I'll go deeper in the question on a mailing list :) | 11:48 |
| melodie | thank you very much, until next :) | 11:48 |
| melodie | and good night this time | 11:49 |
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| melodie | bye bye ^^ | 11:49 |
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| matt_ | sorry all | 11:51 |
| matt_ | playing | 11:51 |
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