[12:02] <squinn> mdke, what was that whole deal between you and froud there?
[12:03] <mdke> myself and a couple of others have a problem with his work methods
[12:03] <mdke> hopefully we will sort it
[12:04] <mdke> at least we talk about it..
[12:04] <philipacamaniac> from an outside perspective, its making it difficult for me to decide whether or not to pursue real docteam work, or rather to just contribute to the wiki
[12:04] <mdke> i can imagine
[12:04] <mdke> i am sorry about that philipacamaniac 
[12:07] <squinn> mdke, i just realized
[12:07] <squinn> we need that new package for breezyt
[12:08] <squinn> its not even in breezy repo yet.
[12:08] <mdke> squinn, chill!
[12:08] <mdke> breezy gets everything in the end
[12:08] <mdke> Ubuntu releases are synched with gnome releases
[12:09] <squinn> well i'm just freaking
[12:09] <squinn> with the upstream version freeze on july 7th
[12:09] <mdke> you're worse than jsgotango
[12:09] <mdke> don't panic!
[12:10] <squinn> haha..
[12:10] <squinn> okay
[12:11] <squinn> yeah, i had to help jerome hack into his own computer last night
[12:11] <squinn> he forgot his password
[12:11] <mdke> *laughs*
[12:11] <mdke> awesome story
[12:14] <squinn> yesss
[12:15] <squinn> ubuntu automatically does what i was doing manually 
[12:15] <squinn> i love it
[12:15] <squinn> i was adding in events, like meetings, to my evolution calendar
[12:16] <squinn> and robitaille is maintaining a live one on the web
[12:16] <mdke> url?
[12:17] <squinn> http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Calendar
[12:17] <squinn> and there's an ical version..which syncs with evolution
[12:17] <squinn> just change the http on it to webcal and add it to evolution and you're ready
[12:17] <mdke> oh i didn't realise there was an ical version of that page
[12:17] <mdke> cool
[12:18] <squinn> Yep. I just found it.
[12:18] <mdke> hmm
[12:18] <mdke> nice work robitaille!!
[12:19] <mdke> ok Be RiGhT bAcK
[12:24] <squinn> mdke, welcome back
[12:24] <squinn> what does SABDFL mean?'
[12:24] <mdke> thanks
[12:24] <squinn> i know its mark's nick
[12:24] <mdke> erm
[12:24] <squinn> but is it an abbreviation?
[12:24] <mdke> yes its an anacronym
[12:24] <mdke> erm
[12:24] <mdke> self appointed...
[12:25] <mdke> b, dunno
[12:25] <mdke> dictator for life
[12:25] <squinn> bastard? lol
[12:25] <squinn> as in bastard operator from hell kinda bastard?
[12:25] <mdke> hmm
[12:25] <mdke> i think its a positive B
[12:25] <mdke> not sure
[12:25] <squinn> Benevolent
[12:25] <squinn> that's it
[12:26] <squinn> "Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life"
[12:26] <squinn> found on slashdot
[12:26] <mdke> yeah that was it
[02:07] <mdke> exit
[02:34] <philipacamaniac> mdke
[03:32] <squinn> robitaille, i'm in debt to you
[03:32] <squinn> i love your iCal adaptation of the ubuntu calendar
[03:43] <robitaille> thanks.  I kept missing meetings, so a while back I decided to start maintaining one. I'm glad it is of use (I actually have no idea how many people are subscribing to it)
[06:09] <squinn> hey jerome
[06:09] <jsgotangco> hey
[06:09] <jsgotangco> whats up
[06:10] <squinn> not much, i was nominated for commit account [yay] 
[06:10] <jsgotangco> thats great elmo will probably have it done later or tommorow
[06:36] <squinn> yep ye
[06:36] <squinn> p
[07:52] <froud> morn everyone, African greetings
[07:52] <jsgotangco> hello
[07:53] <judax> Texas greetings
[07:53] <jsgotangco> "Thoughts questions? Silence will be interpreted as consent"
[07:53] <jsgotangco> froud :(
[07:53] <froud> jsgotangco: see [proposal]  message for hacking the k user guide. responses wanted
[07:54] <froud> jsgotangco: :( ?
[07:54] <jsgotangco> you're gonna take a lot of flack for that statement
[07:54] <froud> which?
[07:54] <jsgotangco> "Thoughts questions? Silence will be interpreted as consent"
[07:54] <froud> that's a dig at mdke :-)
[07:55] <froud> see logs
[07:55] <jsgotangco> i know, but why?
[07:55] <froud> and if ppl what to flack me its ok I have enough holes in me already so most bullets will just go straight through :-)
[07:56] <jsgotangco> i will take this email as a "yes i am back and will contribute to whatever extent i can"
[07:56] <froud> on kde there is no problem
[07:56] <froud> kde ships html
[07:56] <froud> :-)
[07:56] <jsgotangco> would you prefer to just do kde then
[07:56] <froud> right?
[07:57] <froud> jsgotangco: I am just leading by example
[07:57] <froud> :-)
[07:57] <judax> got to run to bed, you guys have a great day
[07:57] <froud> bye
[07:58] <jsgotangco> i'm not in the mood for a long chat/explanation, i'll assume you'll do whatever you can within boundaries of your interest
[07:58] <froud> jsgotangco: people work when there is work being done. I am starting. Just like you fond with kwickguide, ppl come when things happen
[07:58] <froud> jsgotangco: thanks for the permission :-)
[07:58] <jsgotangco> yes so i'll keep it as that
[07:58] <jsgotangco> ?
[07:59] <froud> just joking dude
[07:59] <jsgotangco> i don't want people seeing you in the gray area of things
[07:59] <froud> oh dude, some will and some won't.
[08:00] <froud> I am getting used to the gray area, actually it is a good place, seems lots gets done there :-)
[08:01] <froud> jsgotangco: but I am not the only one, gtalyor and jjesse will be hacking it
[08:01] <jsgotangco> urrkk i hate moin tables
[08:02] <froud> they are fun
[08:09] <jsgotangco> no they're not if you're monitor is only capable of 1024x768 :P
[08:09] <froud> ok b c'ing ya
[08:09] <froud> meetings
[08:17] <Burgundavia> http://hula-project.org/Wiki_Conversion
[08:18] <jsgotangco> yes that's nice
[08:18] <jsgotangco> its mediawiki
[08:18] <jsgotangco> i loovvee mediawiki
[08:23] <Burgundavia> so do I
[08:23] <Burgundavia> I really wish they would consider us when they did the wiki move
[08:23] <Burgundavia> as we are probably the largest user of the wiki
[08:39] <brodmann> does anyone have planeshift installed?
[09:20] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, ping?
[09:20] <Burgundavia> here
[09:20] <jsgotangco> would you like to adopt a document in svn?
[09:21] <Burgundavia> not for a least another month
[09:21] <Burgundavia> I am in the middle of searching for a job
[09:21] <jsgotangco> its ok theres no rush
[09:21] <jsgotangco> i just want to fill up this table in the wiki
[09:31] <jsgotangco> ok no pressure then
[09:31] <Burgundavia> lol
[09:32] <Burgundavia> just dumped 3 posts on p.u.c
[09:34] <jsgotangco> mr potato head
[10:08] <jsgotangco> mdke, hi
[10:14] <mdke> hi jsgotangco 
[10:14] <mdke> how are you?
[10:15] <jsgotangco> im ok im doing wiki work now
[10:15] <jsgotangco> i could not do everything at the same time
[10:15] <jsgotangco> hence i made up my schedule
[10:17] <mdke> cool
[10:17] <mdke> making a kde quickguide status page? cool
[10:17] <jsgotangco> no
[10:17] <jsgotangco> im cleaning up the whole wiki
[10:17] <jsgotangco> :)
[10:17] <mdke> right
[10:17] <jsgotangco> i think i should love our wiki now
[10:17] <jsgotangco> the last one was terrible
[10:18] <jsgotangco> mdke, what document are you going to adopt
[10:18] <jsgotangco> i'll put it in the table
[10:19] <mdke> i don't think I am going to adopt one
[10:19] <jsgotangco> gyaahhh
[10:19] <mdke> hopefully we'll have some volunteers on the gnome user guide
[10:20] <jsgotangco> i'll edit the table to make it look more understandable with the status
[10:20] <jsgotangco> ill projmgmt the whole thing
[10:23] <mdke> cool
[10:23] <mdke> perhaps "status" and "info" should be merged
[10:24] <jsgotangco> the udu breezygoals wiki is a good sample of having everything visible all at once
[10:24] <mdke> yes
[10:24] <jsgotangco> probably we can adopt the WIP, TBC, Pending, etc. style?
[10:25] <mdke> it might be easier to have 1 table rather than 3
[10:25] <jsgotangco> merge all of them?
[10:26] <jsgotangco> some of the generic docs might not be able to make it at all
[10:26] <mdke> i think it would look better
[10:27] <jsgotangco> you have a point
[10:27] <jsgotangco> hmm
[10:31] <mdke> well the installguide should remain
[10:31] <mdke> you should probably remove the stuff which is not in our goals
[10:32] <jsgotangco> ok i'll just make priorities i guess
[10:32] <jsgotangco> priorities would be the major docs
[10:32] <jsgotangco> seconds would be some generic stuff
[10:32] <jsgotangco> ill put styleguide as priority
[11:31] <jsgotangco> wtf the wiki just died on me
[12:27] <mpt> wahhhhh
[12:27] <mpt> holy wiki bug, batman
[12:30] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:30] <jsgotangco> its running now
[12:32] <jsgotangco> mpt
[12:32] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects
[12:32] <jsgotangco> would a style like this be more preferable like what we did in UDU?
[12:33] <mpt> jsgotangco, I don't understand that question, it's missing a "than" or a "to" :-)
[12:34] <jsgotangco> oh right english is not my primary language :)
[12:34] <mpt> jsgotangco: The wiki being down isn't the bug. The bug is that http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SELinux and https://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SELinux are completely different pages.
[12:34] <jsgotangco> oooohhh
[12:34] <jsgotangco> WOW
[12:46] <JonA> jsgotangco: Good work on the DocteamProjects page.
[12:47] <jsgotangco> you dig it?
[12:47] <jsgotangco> hehe
[12:47] <jsgotangco> its much clearer thats how we did it during UDU
[12:48] <JonA> jsgotangco: I dig it :-)
[12:49] <jsgotangco> nice thanks
[12:50] <jsgotangco> Status Page and HTML Preview are kinda cloudy for now
[12:50] <jsgotangco> but its a start to have the show running smoothly
[12:53] <JonA> Is make regularly generating the docs from SVN for preview?
[12:53] <JonA> *Mako
[12:54] <jsgotangco> i have no idea
[12:54] <jsgotangco> its probabaly just the previous team using mako's shell
[01:48] <mpt> What's the Moin code for a redirect?
[01:51] <mpt> nm
[01:59] <squinn> JonA, I'm all clear to work together on GNOME user guide.
[02:13] <jsgotangco> sivang, hey
[02:13] <sivang> hey jsgotangco 
[02:40] <JonA> squinn: Cool. I'll send you an email with my rough work plan when it's done.
[02:40] <squinn> Sure, great.
[02:47] <jjesse> morning or whatever time of day it is for you :)
[02:47] <jsgotangco> jeezz im getting hungry
[02:48] <squinn> morning here jjesse ..so..morning
[02:48] <jjesse> grin never know what time it is for people 
[02:49] <jsgotangco> ok people, please fill up the blanks on this page
[02:49] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects
[02:49] <jsgotangco> :)
[02:57] <squinn> done
[03:00] <jjesse> jsgotangco just people taking charge of the projects right? so if i'm working on a project but not in charge there is nothing really to fill in?
[03:00] <jsgotangco> hmm
[03:00] <jsgotangco> that title is misleading
[03:01] <jsgotangco> that field is supposed to say who's working on it rather than who's owning it
[03:01] <jsgotangco> because it might impede people from contributing if they see someone who already owns it
[03:02] <jsgotangco> Doctem Members Involved
[03:02] <jsgotangco> sounds good?
[03:02] <jjesse> for example, working on kde userguide so i add my name
[03:02] <jjesse> and i like that change to the name
[03:03] <jjesse> grin work calls have a good day
[03:14] <jsgotangco> holy wiki conflict
[03:14] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:14] <squinn> I moved to your stuff
[03:18] <jsgotangco> froud, hi
[03:19] <squinn> morning froud 
[03:19] <froud> jsgotangco: hi
[03:19] <froud> squinn: hi
[03:20] <jsgotangco> good luck
[03:20] <squinn> i know
[03:21] <squinn> i used to run gentoo unstable though
[03:21] <squinn> so i guess i'll be ready
[03:26] <froud> MS Office XML Formats Not OK with GNU
[03:26] <jsgotangco> ?
[03:26] <jsgotangco> im outta here
[03:26] <froud> MS Office XML Formats Not OK with GNU
[03:26] <froud> Peter Galli, eWEEK
[03:26] <froud> The royalty-free license under which Microsoft plans to make its
[03:26] <froud> upcoming new Office Open XML Formats widely available is incompatible
[03:26] <froud> with the GNU General Public License and will thus prevent many free and
[03:26] <froud> open-source software projects from using the formats, community
[03:26] <froud> officials say. In addition, a leading patent official is calling into
[03:28] <jsgotangco> ok bye bye
[03:38] <JonA> squinn: Suggest pinning back xfonts-*
[03:40] <squinn> Wait, what, JonA?
[04:00] <JonA> squinn: I upgraded a testing maching to breezy a couple of days ago. Big problems with X, which can be made into more manageable problems if you don't upgrade the xfonts-* packages.
[04:00] <JonA> Also, don't upgrade the libxft2 package.
[04:01] <JonA> If you're upgrading with Synaptic, just use the "lock package" command under the Package menu.
[04:02] <squinn> oh fock.
[04:02] <squinn> i gotta remember how to downgrade pkgs now
[04:03] <squinn> save
[04:03] <squinn> it didn't upgrade yet, just downloaded files
[04:03] <JonA> :-)
[04:13] <gtaylor> jesus, remember that Ubuntu review I wrote/pasted in here yesterday?
[04:18] <squinn> gtaylor, noh
[04:18] <squinn> oh
[04:18] <squinn> heh, just viewed it on osnews
[04:18] <squinn> and didn't realize greg taylor = gtaylor
[04:19] <gtaylor> And spelled "drool" correctly
[04:19] <squinn> hah
[04:20] <gtaylor> I didn't think someone was going to post some review on some unknown Linux site like that so I didn't spend a whole lot of time on it
[04:25] <squinn> ah, i see
[04:26] <squinn> welcome back, JonA 
[05:03] <gtaylor> heh, a retort: http://squishywaffle.com/article.php/20050621101115454
[05:06] <squinn> heh, gtaylor, you seem familiar from somewhere
[05:06] <squinn> braves fan, then, eh?
[05:06] <squinn> or just happy they beat UF?
[05:08] <squinn> oh, not UF, florida marlins
[05:09] <gtaylor> I do like the Braves, and yeah I missed the game but am glad they finally beat them
[05:10] <squinn> Ah.
[05:10] <squinn> I live in Florida, yet despise the Marlind.
[05:10] <squinn> Marlins.*
[05:10] <squinn> and the Nationals. and the Phillies. and the Braves.
[05:10] <squinn> That pretty much leaves my team all but revealed.
[05:10] <squinn> I bet ATL's fans are a lot more genuine then John Rocker portrayed my team's fans to be.
[05:11] <jjesse> is it just me or is the wiki slow today?
[05:11] <squinn> wiki's a little slow for me today
[05:21] <gtaylor> I can't believe the Nationals coming in from nowhere and kicking so much ass
[05:23] <squinn> gtaylor, I know it. My team was tied for first..and is slowly sinking into last.
[05:24] <gtaylor> Who are you pulling for?
[05:24] <gtaylor> Yankees? :)
[05:25] <squinn> NL East.
[05:25] <squinn> RIVALS of the Yankees and the Braves.
[05:25] <squinn> That OTHER New York team.
[05:26] <squinn> I'll brb, restart of X
[05:27] <gtaylor> blah, even worse :)
[05:27] <jjesse> the mets stink :)
[05:28] <jjesse> unlike my team the detroit tigers
[05:52] <gtaylor> wtf? Google News?
[05:53] <gtaylor> Jesus christ, have people not seen an Ubuntu review before? Why is this thing getting plastered everywhere?
[05:53] <mpt> heh
[05:53] <gtaylor> It's the rating I gave it I bet. I've asked the site admin to let me clarify what my scale is setup like (which I should've done in the first place)
[05:54] <gtaylor> 1 being equivalent to absolute worse Linux distro (currently) and 10 equivalent to one of the best/the best Desktop Linux (currently)
[05:54] <gtaylor> 10 != perfect. There's no reason to have a 10 if nothing will ever reach it.
[05:54] <mpt> gtaylor: My personal Google News page has an "Ubuntu Linux" category, which is currently showing me <http://addict3d.org/index.php?page=viewarticle&type=news&ID=7646>, which is an extended excerpt of your review
[05:55] <gtaylor> if one of you people slashdot that article I'm going to kill you :)
[05:55] <gtaylor> I'll start getting dead animals on my front door if it gets there
[05:55] <mpt> You're safe, it's not interesting enough
[05:56] <gtaylor> heh, it was hastily written and sent out without screenshots or anything really
[05:56] <mpt> getting osnewsed is easy
[05:57] <gtaylor> I'm getting like 7 comment emails a minute and there's no way to turn them off on the linux review site
[05:57] <mpt> There's only 6 comments on the site!
[05:57] <gtaylor> those are the only visible ones
[05:57] <mpt> oh, you're the moderator?
[05:57] <gtaylor> the users have to specifically check the "Make my comment visible" box and the admin has to approve them
[05:58] <gtaylor> no, the webmaster guy is
[05:58] <gtaylor> people are of course now bitching that no negative comments are showing up and blaming it on me :)
[05:58] <mpt> yeah
[05:58] <mpt> I was first wondering why the rating at the top of the article looked more like 4/5 than the 10/10 you'd given it
[05:59] <mpt> eventually I realized it was ratings given by readers, but then I was wondering why the 4/5 was different from the 29/30 of the visible comments
[06:00] <mpt> gtaylor: But I disagree that there's no reason to have a 10 if nothing will ever reach it
[06:00] <mpt> You need to allow room for improvement
[06:01] <mpt> Operating systems today are like cars in the 1910s
[06:01] <gtaylor> improvement to a point that will never be reached? :)
[06:01] <mpt> They've developed in leaps and bounds from the ones that were available 20 years ago, but they're still really really really crappy.
[06:03] <gtaylor> If he lets me update it I'll probably just do a percentile since even a 1-20 scale is a bit kludgey
[06:03] <gtaylor> a 10/10 could be rounded up from 9.6 :)
[06:03] <mpt> heh
[06:04] <mpt> and wipe up the drule :-)
[06:04] <gtaylor> blargh
[06:04] <gtaylor> you can tell I use that word a lot
[06:04] <gtaylor> look at that guy's Fedora review, it has spelling errors in the summary
[06:05] <gtaylor> I make like 1-2 typos and people are like, "ooooh, non-native English speaker!"
[06:05] <mpt> "I selected my timezone, accepted the GPL..." <-- This distributor doesn't understand the GPL
[06:08] <gtaylor> eh?
[06:08] <mpt> The GPL is not an EULA
[06:08] <gtaylor> where are you seeing that?
[06:08] <gtaylor> I mean where did you quote it?
[06:08] <mpt> in the Fedora review
[06:09] <gtaylor> the one with the tacky screenshot or the bad spelling guy?
[06:10] <mpt> tacky screenshot I guess, I don't see any misspellings
[06:10] <mpt> http://www.reviewlinux.com/articles/11/1/The-Fedora-Core-4-Review--
[06:10] <mpt> apart from "very updated", which is grammar, not spelling
[06:10] <gtaylor> that screenshot makes me want to run away screaming
[06:10] <mpt> That's what Linux looks like on Neptune
[06:11] <mpt> to borrow a phrase from elsewhere in the article, it "doesn't look very well"
[06:12] <gtaylor> heh
[06:14] <mpt> Reviews are hard to do well
[06:18] <mpt> but publicity is good.
[06:19] <squinn> yep.
[06:19] <squinn> PC World's #1 Linux Distribution of 2005 heh
[07:33] <philipacamaniac_> mdke, you available?
[07:34] <mdke> i am indeed philipacamaniac_ 
[07:35] <philipacamaniac_> sorry about the _ on my name, don't know who the heck else would use my nick  :)
[07:35] <philipacamaniac_> anyway, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhilipCain/HTML2MoinTest
[07:35] <philipacamaniac_> it kinda worked, but crucial things, like headings as links, didn't
[07:36] <mdke> *grins*
[07:36] <mdke> get it back with /msg nickserv help
[07:36] <mdke> but np
[07:37] <mdke> headings as links?
[07:37] <philipacamaniac_> [07:37] <philipacamaniac_> [07:38] <philipacamaniac_> it is more a problem with how the KUDOS guide is layed out. if you have good, clean HTML, the script will work great
[07:38] <mdke> do we even have those implemented on our wiki?
[07:38] <mdke> omg that is awesome!
[07:38] <mdke> great work
[07:39] <mdke> well if you're doing it all on one page...
[07:39] <philipacamaniac_> I found it somewhere on the moin site, but adjusted a little to work for our purposes
[07:39] <philipacamaniac_> yes...
[07:39] <mdke> what you really want is for the tables of contents to link to the various sections
[07:39] <philipacamaniac_> I'll have to think about that one
[07:39] <mdke> that is possible on a moin wiki using an anchor macro, but I dunno if it works on our wiki
[07:39] <philipacamaniac_> anchor macro works, 
[07:40] <philipacamaniac_> however, if you have an anchor in the source html that has a link and a name, it only takes the link
[07:40] <mdke> I sent a proposal for a wiki team to the list
[07:41] <philipacamaniac_> when?
[07:41] <mdke> right now
[07:41] <mdke> hmmm
[07:41] <philipacamaniac_> great
[07:42] <squinn> i'm loving breezy
[07:42] <squinn> works quite well
[07:42] <philipacamaniac_> gnome or KDE
[07:43] <squinn> gnome
[07:43] <mdke> ah yes i see the macro
[07:43] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnMacros?action=raw
[07:43] <mdke> cool
[07:43] <squinn> JonA was kind enough to tell me what not to upgrade [some X libraries]  and it's running like a charm
[07:43] <mdke> cool
[07:43] <mdke> i'll install it on my laptop if I ever get it repaired
[07:44] <philipacamaniac_> mdke, the moinconvert script was fast and light... it converted the entire KUDOS html in about 7 seconds
[07:44] <mdke> wow
[07:45] <mdke> thats is well cool
[07:45] <philipacamaniac_> so if I can figure out how to make it work better with multipage linking, we'll be golden
[07:45] <philipacamaniac_> it sure was!
[07:45] <mdke> if you do, push it upstream too
[07:45] <mdke> #moin might be able to help
[07:45] <philipacamaniac_> Yeah, I'll do that
[07:46] <mdke> mvirkkil is working with them on a moin->docbook converter
[07:46] <mdke> my god i get such a lag on this network
[07:46] <mdke> always full bar
[07:47] <mdke> squinn, you have to be patient
[07:47] <philipacamaniac_> Is there already a good HTML > DocBook converter?
[07:47] <mdke> it will take several days
[07:47] <mdke> philipacamaniac_, no
[07:48] <philipacamaniac_> so, this script might actually have some use to the docteam
[07:49] <mdke> there are some, but they don't work propa
[07:49] <squinn> mdke, i am
[07:49] <mdke> philipacamaniac_, the html->moin one?
[07:49] <mdke> http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/Html2DocBook
[07:50] <philipacamaniac_> mdke, yes I meant html2moin
[07:51] <mdke> squinn, submit patches and they will get committed
[07:51] <squinn> i know, i'm looking over stuff as well
[07:52] <philipacamaniac_> if the HTML2DocBook starts to work better, the kudos (and others) should just be ported straight to DocBook. Is there a DocBook2Moin script?  ;)
[07:53] <mdke> philipacamaniac_, yeah i think so!
[07:55] <mdke> i dunno
[07:55] <mdke> philipacamaniac_, but in any case i doubt that the kudos and ubuntuguide will be maintained in our repository
[07:56] <philipacamaniac_> ah yes, we'll convert from A to B, to get to C, and then take B back to A, to form D
[07:56] <mdke> we have already tried to get the ubuntuguide guy to play ball and work officially with us, but he wants to maintain it himself I think
[07:56] <jeffsch> philipacamaniac_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/doc/ArticleToMoinDesc
[07:56] <philipacamaniac_> that's what I saw on the mailing list...
[07:57] <froud> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/teamstuff/article2moin
[07:57] <philipacamaniac_> does it work, froud and jeffsch?
[07:57] <froud> yeah
[07:57] <jeffsch> yes. but is not complete
[07:57] <mdke> it is work in progress
[07:58] <mdke> oh thats not the moin2docbook one
[07:58] <mdke> soz
[07:58] <jeffsch> i'm thinking it might be easier to do docbook->xhtml->moin
[07:58] <froud> :-)
[07:59] <philipacamaniac_> interesting
[07:59] <philipacamaniac> yay
[08:02] <philipacamaniac> well, I like the idea of a wiki team
[08:06] <mdke> wb
[08:06] <mdke> the idea of a wiki team is not a new one i think, i saw it somewhere on the wiki, although i can't find it right now
[08:09] <philipacamaniac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WikiToDo?highlight=%28wikiteam%29
[08:09] <philipacamaniac> search good
[08:10] <philipacamaniac> is there a page that clearly defines the purpose of the wiki?
[08:13] <mdke> of the wiki in general, or our wiki?
[08:13] <philipacamaniac> our wiki
[08:14] <mdke> dunno then ;)
[08:15] <philipacamaniac> obviously, howtos and collaboration of the various teams, plus homepages... but I there's a lot of other stuff in there, too
[08:16] <philipacamaniac> like a page describing mepis
[08:16] <mdke> yeah
[08:16] <mdke> its free for all
[08:17] <philipacamaniac> which is fine, sorta, but maybe the wikipolicy could define the nature of possible wikipages
[08:18] <mdke> ok i'll be back later
[08:18] <philipacamaniac> cya
[10:53] <mdke> melodie, although there are some ideas about harnassing the documentation in source packages for Ubuntu (jdub is interested in that area, but is a very busy guy), there is no active project yet
[10:54] <melodie> mdke: the thing is I drove around the all net to find about the CD stories
[10:54] <mdke> hmm
[10:54] <mdke> to me it sounds like a bug with the program
[10:54] <melodie> and all around ATAPI drives
[10:54] <mdke> you say there is some debian documentation?
[10:54] <melodie> as \sh sayd It could be the hard but I checked it
[10:54] <melodie> the doc is
[10:55] <melodie> in the cdrtool-docs package
[10:55] <mdke> if you are interested in that particular area, a cool thing would be to take the debian documentation, suggest some amendments to it, and file a bug under that package. The other alternative might be to put something on the wiki
[10:55] <melodie> all the docs contain infos that are more or less obsolete
[10:56] <melodie> I went throught the 800 and so lines of man cdrecord also :))
[10:56] <melodie> and no one doc gives accurate info
[10:57] <melodie> what is the best alternate ? 
[10:57] <melodie> I've got about 11 pages on OOo notes
[10:58] <melodie> I file bugs each time I meeet some
[10:58] <melodie> and get good returns on them
[10:59] <melodie> :)
[10:59] <mdke> hmm
[10:59] <mdke> thats cool
[10:59] <mdke> i reckon a bug on the package that contains the obsolete doc
[10:59] <mdke> that is really useful
[10:59] <mdke> maybe even both :D
[11:00] <mdke> wiki pages are always useful
[11:00] <melodie> I can tell you something strange ?
[11:00] <mdke> tell me anything
[11:00] <melodie> I dl the NeroLinux documentation :D
[11:00] <mdke> ok
[11:00] <mdke> don't tell me that :p
[11:00] <melodie> I found out it's more understandable
[11:01] <mdke> *grins*
[11:01] <melodie> Oh but I dl with wget :))
[11:01] <melodie> can you here me laughing ?
[11:02] <melodie> It does not matter, I can extract it ;)
[11:02] <melodie> lol
[11:02] <melodie> I'm kidding, but I can't burn my datas anymore
[11:02] <mdke> :/
[11:03] <mdke> annoying
[11:03] <melodie> and could not find how come
[11:03] <mdke> have you tried burning as root?
[11:03] <melodie> even trying on the laptop with older datas I ripped in
[11:03] <melodie> even on a new user account
[11:03] <mdke> as root?
[11:03] <melodie> no
[11:04] <melodie> I just put the user 
[11:04] <melodie> as belonging to all groups
[11:04] <mdke> linux has some problems with burning iirc
[11:04] <melodie> iirc ?
[11:04] <mdke> if i recall correctly
[11:04] <mdke> i think the solution is to burn as root
[11:05] <mdke> "Important information: Linux-2.6.8.1 breaks CD/DVD writing for suid root applications [...]  If you have related problems, try to call cdrecord as real root or go back to Linux-2.4"
[11:05] <melodie> see, when I copy repertories to the nautilus cdcreator
[11:05] <mdke> (from homepage of cdrecord)
[11:05] <melodie> it links the files instead of copying them
[11:05] <melodie> then the message appears:
[11:05] <melodie> Error wrong chain encoding
[11:06] <melodie> when I click on 'grave'
[11:06] <melodie> but I is only the latest aspect of the pb
[11:06] <mdke> Burgundavia, alright?
[11:06] <mdke> melodie, i don't know enough to help you, but I think you should try running a burning program as root
[11:07] <judax> Greetings
[11:07] <melodie> hum
[11:07] <Burgundavia> yes, debugging an xchat craher
[11:07] <mdke> hi judax!
[11:07] <mdke> Burgundavia, aha
[11:07] <judax> mdke: Hi
[11:07] <melodie> the simpliest way would be trying that in cd line
[11:07] <mdke> melodie, yes
[11:07] <mdke> Burgundavia, i'm thinking of switching to irssi now
[11:07] <melodie> so I have to go back to cdrecord man
[11:08] <mdke> melodie, not really, you can run a graphical burner as root
[11:08] <melodie> Yes I know 
[11:08] <mdke> sudo graveman or su, graveman
[11:09] <melodie> or start the file navigator as root, (or sudo) and use the nautilus burner
[11:09] <mdke> yes
[11:09] <mdke> but I don't trust that burner that much
[11:09] <melodie> I just changed it for a new one :)
[11:10] <melodie> I get the same I/O errors, and on laptop too
[11:10] <melodie> I think the config files must be rewritten
[11:10] <mdke> have you tried burning at a lower speed?
[11:10] <melodie> yes
[11:10] <melodie> 4x
[11:10] <melodie> with 4x media
[11:11] <mdke> ok i have no more ideas
[11:11] <mdke> but if you want to get involved with editing that documentation, that would be mega cool
[11:11] <melodie> what do you get when graving ?
[11:11] <mdke> graving?
[11:11] <melodie> sorry
[11:12] <melodie> burning
[11:12] <mdke> it works
[11:12] <melodie> (I'm a frenchy)
[11:12] <mdke> *grins* i saw that
[11:12] <mdke> your english is fine
[11:12] <melodie> do you have ATAPI devices ?
[11:12] <melodie> by the way, I'm on irssi, it's really cool
[11:13] <mdke> i need to experiment ways to change the look
[11:14] <melodie> Edit/Current profile
[11:14] <melodie> Tab coulours or effect
[11:15] <melodie> It changes the look of xterm
[11:15] <melodie> that's what you mean ?
[11:15] <mdke> i dont have xterm
[11:15] <melodie> ?
[11:15] <melodie> what do you have ?
[11:15] <mdke> well i have it, but i don't use it
[11:15] <mdke> aterm
[11:16] <melodie> I don't know aterm
[11:16] <melodie> so I can tell you for xterm 
[11:16] <melodie> or for the Kde Konsole if I remember how it is :)
[11:16] <mdke> presumably I can change colours for irssi somewhere
[11:17] <melodie> if you have a few menus in aterm...
[11:17] <mdke> no, i just want to change irssi colours
[11:18] <melodie> maybe in it's specific config file somewhere ?
[11:18] <mdke> yeah
[11:18] <melodie> If you find out, it can be a nice little how-to :)
[11:19] <mdke> good thinking
[11:19] <melodie> :)
[11:20] <melodie> about burning, could you tell me if you tried all sorts ? such as audio too per example ?
[11:20] <mdke> i don't burn much
[11:20] <mdke> the occasional iso
[11:21] <melodie> what do you use when you backup datas ?
[11:21] <mdke> network
[11:22] <melodie> from the lan you mean ?
[11:22] <mdke> yus
[11:22] <melodie> ok
[11:22] <melodie> that's the solution I'm thinking about to resolve momently
[11:23] <melodie> There would also be a need for a step to step doc with the graphic inferface and snapshots to configure a lan
[11:26] <melodie> mdke: what kind of documentation work do you do ?
[11:27] <mdke> i am not really very technically good
[11:27] <mdke> i have done menial tasks on the wiki
[11:27] <mdke> and a little bit of editing on some of our docs
[11:28] <mdke> i like organising
[11:28] <mdke> i helped organise the translations of our stuff for hoary, hopefully for breezy there will be more
[11:29] <melodie> I notice there seem to be more and more translations on the french official wiki
[11:29] <mdke> yes
[11:29] <mdke> the french team is doing good work
[11:29] <mdke> website is nice too
[11:30] <melodie> I read boths, but reading in french is more comfort
[11:30] <melodie> yes, the site looks good
[11:30] <melodie> and many users don't grab english too much
[11:30] <melodie> so it's nice for them too
[11:30] <melodie> nods ?
[11:31] <mdke> to nod is to move the head up and down, to signify agreement
[11:31] <melodie> yees!
[11:31] <mdke> whats that in french
[11:31] <melodie> I didn't know thanks! :))
[11:32] <melodie> I have to think about an equivalent
[11:32] <melodie> 'hocher de la tte'
[11:32] <mdke> ok
[11:32] <melodie> but no direct equivalent to get it short
[11:32] <melodie> do you talk french ? 
[11:33] <mdke> non
[11:33] <melodie> lol
[11:33] <mdke> je parle la francais tres mal
[11:35] <melodie> not so bad ;)
[11:35] <melodie> well for the doc question, I think I could do two things
[11:36] <melodie> as you sayd, I could file a bug somewhere about the doc from the cdrtool-docs package
[11:40] <melodie> and I could try to register on the Ubuntu ml to post my questions
[11:40] <melodie> I didn't try it yet
[11:40] <melodie> and with a little luck maybe 
[11:40] <melodie> some more advanced people
[11:40] <melodie> than the ones on the Ubuntu french forums might have good answers
[11:40] <melodie> on precise questions
[11:40] <melodie> ?
[11:40] <melodie> do you know the ml a little ?
[11:40] <mdke> erm
[11:40] <melodie> erm ?
[11:40] <mdke> the ubuntu-users one?
[11:40] <mdke> i don't know it much
[11:40] <melodie> Ithink so
[11:40] <mdke> its good tho
[11:40] <mdke> also ubuntu-fr
[11:40] <melodie> the chan ?
[11:40] <mdke> ML
[11:40] <melodie> ah ok
[11:40] <melodie> cause when I go to the chan with questions 
[11:40] <melodie> there are mostly more newbees than I
[11:40] <mdke> ah
[11:40] <melodie> not all, but mostly
[11:41] <melodie> It's nice to help also, but I've got to get out of trouble too :)
[11:42] <mdke> yeah
[11:43] <melodie> ok, I'm going to quit now, need to sleep :)
[11:43] <mdke> cool
[11:44] <mdke> we're always here
[11:44] <melodie> thank you :)
[11:44] <melodie> I'll try to come give news for the doc project
[11:45] <melodie> you didn't say: what devices do you use that go well for burning ?
[11:46] <melodie> just to know if the same as mine :)
[11:46] <mdke> erm
[11:46] <mdke> how do I find out?
[11:47] <melodie> no, do you have scsi drives or atapi ? just that 
[11:47] <mdke> i _think_ atapi
[11:48] <melodie> ok, I'll go deeper in the question on a mailing list :)
[11:48] <melodie> thank you very much, until next :)
[11:49] <melodie> and good night this time 
[11:49] <melodie> bye bye ^^
[11:51] <matt_> sorry all
[11:51] <matt_> playing