[12:02] mdke, what was that whole deal between you and froud there? [12:03] myself and a couple of others have a problem with his work methods [12:03] hopefully we will sort it [12:04] at least we talk about it.. [12:04] from an outside perspective, its making it difficult for me to decide whether or not to pursue real docteam work, or rather to just contribute to the wiki [12:04] i can imagine [12:04] i am sorry about that philipacamaniac [12:07] mdke, i just realized [12:07] we need that new package for breezyt [12:08] its not even in breezy repo yet. [12:08] squinn, chill! [12:08] breezy gets everything in the end [12:08] Ubuntu releases are synched with gnome releases [12:09] well i'm just freaking [12:09] with the upstream version freeze on july 7th [12:09] you're worse than jsgotango [12:09] don't panic! [12:10] haha.. [12:10] okay [12:11] yeah, i had to help jerome hack into his own computer last night [12:11] he forgot his password [12:11] *laughs* [12:11] awesome story [12:14] yesss [12:15] ubuntu automatically does what i was doing manually [12:15] i love it [12:15] i was adding in events, like meetings, to my evolution calendar [12:16] and robitaille is maintaining a live one on the web [12:16] url? [12:17] http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Calendar [12:17] and there's an ical version..which syncs with evolution [12:17] just change the http on it to webcal and add it to evolution and you're ready [12:17] oh i didn't realise there was an ical version of that page [12:17] cool === squinn faxes in signed Ubuntu Code of Conduct [12:18] Yep. I just found it. [12:18] hmm [12:18] nice work robitaille!! [12:19] ok Be RiGhT bAcK === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:24] mdke, welcome back [12:24] what does SABDFL mean?' [12:24] thanks [12:24] i know its mark's nick [12:24] erm [12:24] but is it an abbreviation? [12:24] yes its an anacronym [12:24] erm === mdke racks brains [12:24] self appointed... [12:25] b, dunno [12:25] dictator for life [12:25] bastard? lol [12:25] as in bastard operator from hell kinda bastard? [12:25] hmm [12:25] i think its a positive B [12:25] not sure [12:25] Benevolent [12:25] that's it [12:26] "Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life" [12:26] found on slashdot [12:26] yeah that was it === ealden [~ealden@219.90.94.12] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [~rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dsmith-texas [~Dane@cpe-68-203-172-88.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:07] exit === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jeffsch [~jeffsch@fatwire-201-201.uniserve.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === philipacamaniac [~philip@ip68-228-49-137.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:34] mdke === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:32] robitaille, i'm in debt to you [03:32] i love your iCal adaptation of the ubuntu calendar [03:43] thanks. I kept missing meetings, so a while back I decided to start maintaining one. I'm glad it is of use (I actually have no idea how many people are subscribing to it) === Liz [~Liz@fixed-203-87-81-158.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Skywind [~Skywind@218.104.86.222] has joined #ubuntu-doc === FLeiXiuS [~fleixius@pcp0011790326pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-117.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === squinn [~squinn@68.205.198.0] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:09] hey jerome [06:09] hey [06:09] whats up [06:10] not much, i was nominated for commit account [yay] [06:10] thats great elmo will probably have it done later or tommorow [06:36] yep ye [06:36] p === froud [~sean@ndn-165-139-210.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:52] morn everyone, African greetings [07:52] hello [07:53] Texas greetings [07:53] "Thoughts questions? Silence will be interpreted as consent" [07:53] froud :( [07:53] jsgotangco: see [proposal] message for hacking the k user guide. responses wanted [07:54] jsgotangco: :( ? [07:54] you're gonna take a lot of flack for that statement [07:54] which? [07:54] "Thoughts questions? Silence will be interpreted as consent" [07:54] that's a dig at mdke :-) [07:55] see logs [07:55] i know, but why? [07:55] and if ppl what to flack me its ok I have enough holes in me already so most bullets will just go straight through :-) [07:56] i will take this email as a "yes i am back and will contribute to whatever extent i can" [07:56] on kde there is no problem [07:56] kde ships html [07:56] :-) [07:56] would you prefer to just do kde then [07:56] right? [07:57] jsgotangco: I am just leading by example [07:57] :-) [07:57] got to run to bed, you guys have a great day [07:57] bye [07:58] i'm not in the mood for a long chat/explanation, i'll assume you'll do whatever you can within boundaries of your interest [07:58] jsgotangco: people work when there is work being done. I am starting. Just like you fond with kwickguide, ppl come when things happen [07:58] jsgotangco: thanks for the permission :-) [07:58] yes so i'll keep it as that [07:58] ? [07:59] just joking dude [07:59] i don't want people seeing you in the gray area of things [07:59] oh dude, some will and some won't. [08:00] I am getting used to the gray area, actually it is a good place, seems lots gets done there :-) === jsgotangco puts froud on guy responsible for kubuntu user guide [08:01] jsgotangco: but I am not the only one, gtalyor and jjesse will be hacking it [08:01] urrkk i hate moin tables [08:02] they are fun [08:09] no they're not if you're monitor is only capable of 1024x768 :P [08:09] ok b c'ing ya [08:09] meetings [08:17] http://hula-project.org/Wiki_Conversion [08:18] yes that's nice [08:18] its mediawiki [08:18] i loovvee mediawiki [08:23] so do I [08:23] I really wish they would consider us when they did the wiki move [08:23] as we are probably the largest user of the wiki === ealden [~Admi@proxy1.admu.edu.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [~Admi@proxy1.admu.edu.ph] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === brodmann [~brodmann@ip-052-130.uscarrier.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:39] does anyone have planeshift installed? [09:20] Burgundavia, ping? [09:20] here [09:20] would you like to adopt a document in svn? [09:21] not for a least another month [09:21] I am in the middle of searching for a job [09:21] its ok theres no rush [09:21] i just want to fill up this table in the wiki === Burgundavia hates paper pushers ;) [09:31] ok no pressure then [09:31] lol [09:32] just dumped 3 posts on p.u.c [09:34] mr potato head === otep [~otep@AP-203.167.31.177.sysads.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [~mdke@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:08] mdke, hi [10:14] hi jsgotangco [10:14] how are you? [10:15] im ok im doing wiki work now [10:15] i could not do everything at the same time [10:15] hence i made up my schedule [10:17] cool [10:17] making a kde quickguide status page? cool [10:17] no [10:17] im cleaning up the whole wiki [10:17] :) [10:17] right [10:17] i think i should love our wiki now [10:17] the last one was terrible [10:18] mdke, what document are you going to adopt [10:18] i'll put it in the table [10:19] i don't think I am going to adopt one [10:19] gyaahhh [10:19] hopefully we'll have some volunteers on the gnome user guide [10:20] i'll edit the table to make it look more understandable with the status [10:20] ill projmgmt the whole thing === rob^ [~rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:23] cool [10:23] perhaps "status" and "info" should be merged [10:24] the udu breezygoals wiki is a good sample of having everything visible all at once [10:24] yes [10:24] probably we can adopt the WIP, TBC, Pending, etc. style? [10:25] it might be easier to have 1 table rather than 3 [10:25] merge all of them? [10:26] some of the generic docs might not be able to make it at all [10:26] i think it would look better [10:27] you have a point [10:27] hmm [10:31] well the installguide should remain [10:31] you should probably remove the stuff which is not in our goals [10:32] ok i'll just make priorities i guess [10:32] priorities would be the major docs [10:32] seconds would be some generic stuff [10:32] ill put styleguide as priority [11:31] wtf the wiki just died on me [12:27] wahhhhh [12:27] holy wiki bug, batman [12:30] heh [12:30] its running now [12:32] mpt [12:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects [12:32] would a style like this be more preferable like what we did in UDU? [12:33] jsgotangco, I don't understand that question, it's missing a "than" or a "to" :-) [12:34] oh right english is not my primary language :) [12:34] jsgotangco: The wiki being down isn't the bug. The bug is that http://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SELinux and https://udu.wiki.ubuntu.com/SELinux are completely different pages. [12:34] oooohhh [12:34] WOW [12:46] jsgotangco: Good work on the DocteamProjects page. [12:47] you dig it? [12:47] hehe [12:47] its much clearer thats how we did it during UDU [12:48] jsgotangco: I dig it :-) [12:49] nice thanks [12:50] Status Page and HTML Preview are kinda cloudy for now [12:50] but its a start to have the show running smoothly [12:53] Is make regularly generating the docs from SVN for preview? [12:53] *Mako [12:54] i have no idea [12:54] its probabaly just the previous team using mako's shell [01:48] What's the Moin code for a redirect? [01:51] nm [01:59] JonA, I'm all clear to work together on GNOME user guide. === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:13] sivang, hey [02:13] hey jsgotangco === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:40] squinn: Cool. I'll send you an email with my rough work plan when it's done. [02:40] Sure, great. [02:47] morning or whatever time of day it is for you :) [02:47] jeezz im getting hungry [02:48] morning here jjesse ..so..morning [02:48] grin never know what time it is for people [02:49] ok people, please fill up the blanks on this page [02:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects [02:49] :) [02:57] done === FLeiXiuS [~fleixius@pcp0011790326pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:00] jsgotangco just people taking charge of the projects right? so if i'm working on a project but not in charge there is nothing really to fill in? [03:00] hmm [03:00] that title is misleading [03:01] that field is supposed to say who's working on it rather than who's owning it [03:01] because it might impede people from contributing if they see someone who already owns it [03:02] Doctem Members Involved [03:02] sounds good? [03:02] for example, working on kde userguide so i add my name [03:02] and i like that change to the name [03:03] grin work calls have a good day [03:14] holy wiki conflict [03:14] heh [03:14] I moved to your stuff === froud [~froud@ndn-165-139-210.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:18] froud, hi [03:19] morning froud [03:19] jsgotangco: hi [03:19] squinn: hi === squinn upgrades to breezy [03:20] good luck [03:20] i know [03:21] i used to run gentoo unstable though [03:21] so i guess i'll be ready [03:26] MS Office XML Formats Not OK with GNU [03:26] ? [03:26] im outta here [03:26] MS Office XML Formats Not OK with GNU [03:26] Peter Galli, eWEEK [03:26] The royalty-free license under which Microsoft plans to make its [03:26] upcoming new Office Open XML Formats widely available is incompatible [03:26] with the GNU General Public License and will thus prevent many free and [03:26] open-source software projects from using the formats, community [03:26] officials say. In addition, a leading patent official is calling into === froud [~froud@ndn-165-139-210.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:28] ok bye bye [03:38] squinn: Suggest pinning back xfonts-* === jjesse [~jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:40] Wait, what, JonA? === gtaylor [~gtaylor@130-127-67-44.lehotsky.clemson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:00] squinn: I upgraded a testing maching to breezy a couple of days ago. Big problems with X, which can be made into more manageable problems if you don't upgrade the xfonts-* packages. [04:00] Also, don't upgrade the libxft2 package. [04:01] If you're upgrading with Synaptic, just use the "lock package" command under the Package menu. [04:02] oh fock. [04:02] i gotta remember how to downgrade pkgs now [04:03] save [04:03] it didn't upgrade yet, just downloaded files [04:03] :-) [04:13] jesus, remember that Ubuntu review I wrote/pasted in here yesterday? [04:18] gtaylor, noh [04:18] oh [04:18] heh, just viewed it on osnews [04:18] and didn't realize greg taylor = gtaylor === gtaylor guess I should've clarified my rating scale :) [04:19] And spelled "drool" correctly [04:19] hah === JonA [~jonathan@alxpc1jaa2.alx.aber.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:20] I didn't think someone was going to post some review on some unknown Linux site like that so I didn't spend a whole lot of time on it [04:25] ah, i see [04:26] welcome back, JonA === mgalvin [~mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [~ealden@219.90.91.67] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:03] heh, a retort: http://squishywaffle.com/article.php/20050621101115454 [05:06] heh, gtaylor, you seem familiar from somewhere [05:06] braves fan, then, eh? [05:06] or just happy they beat UF? [05:08] oh, not UF, florida marlins [05:09] I do like the Braves, and yeah I missed the game but am glad they finally beat them [05:10] Ah. [05:10] I live in Florida, yet despise the Marlind. [05:10] Marlins.* [05:10] and the Nationals. and the Phillies. and the Braves. [05:10] That pretty much leaves my team all but revealed. [05:10] I bet ATL's fans are a lot more genuine then John Rocker portrayed my team's fans to be. [05:11] is it just me or is the wiki slow today? [05:11] wiki's a little slow for me today [05:21] I can't believe the Nationals coming in from nowhere and kicking so much ass [05:23] gtaylor, I know it. My team was tied for first..and is slowly sinking into last. === asw [~asw@mcb1013.mcb.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:24] Who are you pulling for? [05:24] Yankees? :) [05:25] NL East. [05:25] RIVALS of the Yankees and the Braves. [05:25] That OTHER New York team. [05:26] I'll brb, restart of X [05:27] blah, even worse :) === gtaylor makes fun of the Mets while squinn is out [05:27] the mets stink :) [05:28] unlike my team the detroit tigers === squinn [~squinn@68.205.198.0] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-139-210.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt sees gtaylor's review on Google News === squinn saw it on osnews [05:52] wtf? Google News? [05:53] Jesus christ, have people not seen an Ubuntu review before? Why is this thing getting plastered everywhere? [05:53] heh [05:53] It's the rating I gave it I bet. I've asked the site admin to let me clarify what my scale is setup like (which I should've done in the first place) [05:54] 1 being equivalent to absolute worse Linux distro (currently) and 10 equivalent to one of the best/the best Desktop Linux (currently) [05:54] 10 != perfect. There's no reason to have a 10 if nothing will ever reach it. [05:54] gtaylor: My personal Google News page has an "Ubuntu Linux" category, which is currently showing me , which is an extended excerpt of your review [05:55] if one of you people slashdot that article I'm going to kill you :) [05:55] I'll start getting dead animals on my front door if it gets there [05:55] You're safe, it's not interesting enough === mpt ducks [05:56] heh, it was hastily written and sent out without screenshots or anything really [05:56] getting osnewsed is easy [05:57] I'm getting like 7 comment emails a minute and there's no way to turn them off on the linux review site [05:57] There's only 6 comments on the site! [05:57] those are the only visible ones [05:57] oh, you're the moderator? [05:57] the users have to specifically check the "Make my comment visible" box and the admin has to approve them [05:58] no, the webmaster guy is [05:58] people are of course now bitching that no negative comments are showing up and blaming it on me :) [05:58] yeah [05:58] I was first wondering why the rating at the top of the article looked more like 4/5 than the 10/10 you'd given it [05:59] eventually I realized it was ratings given by readers, but then I was wondering why the 4/5 was different from the 29/30 of the visible comments [06:00] gtaylor: But I disagree that there's no reason to have a 10 if nothing will ever reach it [06:00] You need to allow room for improvement [06:01] Operating systems today are like cars in the 1910s [06:01] improvement to a point that will never be reached? :) [06:01] They've developed in leaps and bounds from the ones that were available 20 years ago, but they're still really really really crappy. [06:03] If he lets me update it I'll probably just do a percentile since even a 1-20 scale is a bit kludgey [06:03] a 10/10 could be rounded up from 9.6 :) [06:03] heh [06:04] and wipe up the drule :-) [06:04] blargh [06:04] you can tell I use that word a lot [06:04] look at that guy's Fedora review, it has spelling errors in the summary [06:05] I make like 1-2 typos and people are like, "ooooh, non-native English speaker!" [06:05] "I selected my timezone, accepted the GPL..." <-- This distributor doesn't understand the GPL [06:08] eh? [06:08] The GPL is not an EULA [06:08] where are you seeing that? [06:08] I mean where did you quote it? [06:08] in the Fedora review [06:09] the one with the tacky screenshot or the bad spelling guy? [06:10] tacky screenshot I guess, I don't see any misspellings [06:10] http://www.reviewlinux.com/articles/11/1/The-Fedora-Core-4-Review-- [06:10] apart from "very updated", which is grammar, not spelling [06:10] that screenshot makes me want to run away screaming [06:10] That's what Linux looks like on Neptune === gtaylor shudders [06:11] to borrow a phrase from elsewhere in the article, it "doesn't look very well" [06:12] heh [06:14] Reviews are hard to do well [06:18] but publicity is good. [06:19] yep. [06:19] PC World's #1 Linux Distribution of 2005 heh === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-117.dsl.clear.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === asw [~asw@mcb1013.mcb.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~sean@ndn-165-139-210.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [~ealden@219.90.92.89] has joined #ubuntu-doc === philipacamaniac_ [~phliipaca@208-47-135-198.dia.cust.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:33] mdke, you available? [07:34] i am indeed philipacamaniac_ [07:35] sorry about the _ on my name, don't know who the heck else would use my nick :) [07:35] anyway, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PhilipCain/HTML2MoinTest [07:35] it kinda worked, but crucial things, like headings as links, didn't [07:36] *grins* [07:36] get it back with /msg nickserv help [07:36] but np [07:37] headings as links? [07:37] === heading === === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:37] === ThisWouldntWork === [07:38] it is more a problem with how the KUDOS guide is layed out. if you have good, clean HTML, the script will work great [07:38] do we even have those implemented on our wiki? [07:38] omg that is awesome! [07:38] great work [07:39] well if you're doing it all on one page... [07:39] I found it somewhere on the moin site, but adjusted a little to work for our purposes [07:39] yes... [07:39] what you really want is for the tables of contents to link to the various sections [07:39] I'll have to think about that one [07:39] that is possible on a moin wiki using an anchor macro, but I dunno if it works on our wiki [07:39] anchor macro works, [07:40] however, if you have an anchor in the source html that has a link and a name, it only takes the link [07:40] I sent a proposal for a wiki team to the list [07:41] when? [07:41] right now [07:41] hmmm [07:41] great [07:42] i'm loving breezy [07:42] works quite well [07:42] gnome or KDE [07:43] gnome [07:43] ah yes i see the macro [07:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnMacros?action=raw [07:43] cool [07:43] JonA was kind enough to tell me what not to upgrade [some X libraries] and it's running like a charm [07:43] cool [07:43] i'll install it on my laptop if I ever get it repaired [07:44] mdke, the moinconvert script was fast and light... it converted the entire KUDOS html in about 7 seconds [07:44] wow [07:45] thats is well cool [07:45] so if I can figure out how to make it work better with multipage linking, we'll be golden [07:45] it sure was! [07:45] if you do, push it upstream too [07:45] #moin might be able to help [07:45] Yeah, I'll do that [07:46] mvirkkil is working with them on a moin->docbook converter [07:46] my god i get such a lag on this network [07:46] always full bar === squinn wonders if commit account is ready yet [07:47] squinn, you have to be patient [07:47] Is there already a good HTML > DocBook converter? [07:47] it will take several days [07:47] philipacamaniac_, no [07:48] so, this script might actually have some use to the docteam [07:49] there are some, but they don't work propa [07:49] mdke, i am [07:49] philipacamaniac_, the html->moin one? [07:49] http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/Html2DocBook [07:50] mdke, yes I meant html2moin [07:51] squinn, submit patches and they will get committed [07:51] i know, i'm looking over stuff as well [07:52] if the HTML2DocBook starts to work better, the kudos (and others) should just be ported straight to DocBook. Is there a DocBook2Moin script? ;) [07:53]