| lesliev | okey | 12:04 |
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| ogra | meeting :) | 12:06 |
| lesliev | ok, done. Sorry to interrupt the meeting. | 12:08 |
| dholbach | don't worry | 12:08 |
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| schweeb | is there a meeting now? | 12:31 |
| tseng | yes | 12:31 |
| tseng | you weren't invited schweeb | 12:31 |
| schweeb | oh, fine then | 12:31 |
| dholbach | come on | 12:31 |
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| dholbach | where's the ubuntu love? | 12:31 |
| tseng | i love schweeb! | 12:32 |
| tseng | we are like brothers | 12:32 |
| tseng | making fun of each other | 12:32 |
| dholbach | i see :) | 12:32 |
| dholbach | UBUNTU LOVE! | 12:32 |
| Nafallo | lol | 12:32 |
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| lesliev | Gotta sleep, sorry to miss out on all the love && believe I wasn't invited either! | 12:39 |
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| ajf | I created my own repository for testing and such, but when I try to upload one of my deb, tar.gz, dsc, and .changes, It gets pissed and says this: [dpkg-source output:] dpkg-source: error: unrecognised file suffix `.tar' | 12:55 |
| dholbach | how did you create the source package? | 12:55 |
| ajf | with debuild (it's my own project, so there's no original source file) | 12:56 |
| dholbach | with debuild -S (-sa) or something? | 12:56 |
| ajf | no arguments, let me try that | 12:56 |
| dholbach | this should give you the .dsc the .diff.gz (if you have the .orig.tar.gz in place) | 12:57 |
| ajf | There is no original tarball | 12:58 |
| dholbach | in most cases you should take the upstream tarball (without debian/ modifications) and call it <software>_<version>.orig.tar.gz | 12:59 |
| ajf | Yeah, but that's the thing.. i am the upstream :D | 12:59 |
| ajf | it's straight out of my SVN | 12:59 |
| dholbach | then svn export ... (i presume there's some cvs counterpart ;-)) | 01:00 |
| tseng | you need to make a release | 01:00 |
| dholbach | do ./autogen.sh && make dist | 01:00 |
| tseng | to be the orig.g | 01:00 |
| tseng | z | 01:00 |
| dholbach | then a tarball and call it <software>_<version>.orig.tar.gz | 01:00 |
| dholbach | after that you can do the debian/ modifications | 01:00 |
| tseng | my friend got his phpbb hacked | 01:01 |
| dholbach | ouch | 01:01 |
| tseng | stupid kid, i locked it | 01:01 |
| tseng | he lost all his data for now (we have backups | 01:01 |
| ajf | I'm new to all this, let me try that | 01:01 |
| ajf | how does it handle packages with '-' in the name | 01:02 |
| dholbach | withouth problems | 01:03 |
| dholbach | epiphany-browser for example | 01:03 |
| dholbach | nautilus-cdburner | 01:03 |
| dholbach | whatever :) | 01:03 |
| ajf | excellent | 01:03 |
| ajf | I keep my debian/ directory in SVN | 01:06 |
| ajf | is that bad practice? | 01:06 |
| dholbach | hmmm | 01:06 |
| dholbach | it will mix up the .diff.gz | 01:06 |
| dholbach | i keep this stuff separatedly | 01:06 |
| ajf | it didn't make one that time :) | 01:06 |
| dholbach | :) | 01:07 |
| jamessan | keeping the debian/ directory in a VCS isn't a bad idea, as long as it's separate from the actual source | 01:07 |
| ajf | well here, tell me if this is bad organization: https://anthracite.aca.oakland.edu/websvn/listing.php?repname=Kerberos%20Ticket%20Manager&path=%2Fdebian%2F&rev=0&sc=0 | 01:07 |
| schweeb | haha | 01:08 |
| schweeb | I was there when that was being coded | 01:08 |
| schweeb | except I was drinking, they were coding | 01:08 |
| ajf | hush you | 01:08 |
| schweeb | that you forgue? | 01:08 |
| schweeb | haha | 01:09 |
| schweeb | yep | 01:09 |
| ajf | tell me why it's broke | 01:09 |
| ajf | schweeb: | 01:09 |
| schweeb | I can't hit that site | 01:09 |
| ajf | @ work? | 01:10 |
| schweeb | nope | 01:10 |
| schweeb | it's trying to load | 01:10 |
| schweeb | but it wont | 01:10 |
| ajf | the cert is broken, but that's it | 01:10 |
| schweeb | ah there we go | 01:10 |
| schweeb | the cert window popped up on another desktop | 01:10 |
| ajf | gg. | 01:10 |
| dholbach | ajf: if you manage to build the package, you can upload it somewhere and get it reviewed, if you put it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages | 01:11 |
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| ajf | when I try to submit it to my dak, it gives that error when moving it from unchecked | 01:11 |
| ajf | dholbach: the app is barely working :) | 01:11 |
| ajf | i'd rather not get people comlaining to me quite yet | 01:11 |
| dholbach | ah ok :) | 01:11 |
| dholbach | if you copy the stuff to a new directory | 01:12 |
| schweeb | hah, flav got his own src tree | 01:12 |
| schweeb | lol | 01:12 |
| dholbach | does dpkg-source -x bla.dsc work? | 01:12 |
| ajf | schweeb: not really | 01:12 |
| ajf | dholbach: nope :( dpkg-source: error: unrecognised file suffix `.tar' | 01:13 |
| dholbach | do you have a .tar file? | 01:13 |
| dholbach | Depends: libkrb53, libglade2-0 (>= 2.5.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0) doesnt belong in the "source:"-stanza | 01:13 |
| dholbach | you can drop the debian/docs-file | 01:13 |
| ajf | ah yes | 01:14 |
| ajf | what does this do: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} | 01:14 |
| dholbach | it expands the -dev packages you specified in the build-depends to library package names | 01:15 |
| ajf | ahh | 01:15 |
| dholbach | (those that are actually needed during the build) | 01:15 |
| ajf | someone on the intarweb said it's a bug in dpkg 1.13.9, but *shrug* it's only 1 post | 01:16 |
| ajf | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-amd64@lists.debian.org/msg09651.html | 01:16 |
| dholbach | could you upload those 2-3 files somewhere? | 01:16 |
| dholbach | the .tar.gz the .dsc | 01:16 |
| ajf | .changes? | 01:17 |
| dholbach | i just want to have a look, don't need the .changes | 01:17 |
| dholbach | hi mbeattie :) | 01:17 |
| ajf | http://spica.admnet.oakland.edu/~forgue/debian | 01:18 |
| ajf | I just put everything it generated there | 01:18 |
| ajf | dpkg-source: warning: source directory `./kerberos-ticket-manager' is not <sourcepackage>-<upstreamversion> `kerberos-ticket-manager-0.01' | 01:20 |
| ajf | ^^ that's interesting | 01:20 |
| dholbach | yeah :) | 01:20 |
| ajf | if I name it kerberos-ticket-manager-0.1, it says the same thing | 01:20 |
| dholbach | ok, if you do it the way i said (using .orig.tar.gz and moving out the debian/ stuff out of it), you're fine | 01:23 |
| ajf | thought I tried that,maybe i screwed it up | 01:25 |
| ajf | same error | 01:27 |
| ajf | I still get that warning when building it about the source directory is not <source>-<upstreamversion> | 01:28 |
| dholbach | hm | 01:28 |
| ajf | ah hang on | 01:29 |
| ajf | I think I got it | 01:29 |
| ajf | @_@ | 01:29 |
| ajf | the version in the changelog was 0.01 while the directory was 0.1 | 01:30 |
| ajf | yay for typos | 01:30 |
| dholbach | :) | 01:30 |
| ajf | and dak accepted it | 01:31 |
| dholbach | woohoo! :) | 01:31 |
| ajf | sweet. Thanks for your patience :D | 01:31 |
| dholbach | anytime | 01:31 |
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| dholbach | bye everyone | 01:36 |
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| tseng | hm | 02:58 |
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| |QuaD- | anyone wanna package something? | 03:14 |
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| panickedthumb | hey, on behalf of jdong and the backports team, can the MOTU import the latest sid gnubiff package into breezy universe? | 05:57 |
| panickedthumb | there has been one major feature release and one major bugfix release since the version there now | 05:58 |
| ajmitch | the source package is there, but FTBFS | 06:00 |
| ajmitch | broken depends | 06:00 |
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| schweeb | my laptop has gotten the best of me | 06:03 |
| schweeb | took me like a day to figure out why sound wasn't working... I thought it was an IRQ problem... it's cause the mono channel was muted @_@ | 06:03 |
| ajmitch | ouch | 06:06 |
| schweeb | now that I have sound working, I just have to wait for mjg59 to get suspend working on SATA laptops | 06:09 |
| ajf | IRQ conflicts don't happen anymore | 06:18 |
| schweeb | says you 4g00 | 06:19 |
| schweeb | I have a Dell 8200 that says otherwise | 06:19 |
| ajf | how old is that? | 06:19 |
| schweeb | 3 yrs | 06:20 |
| ajf | chipset? | 06:20 |
| ajf | eh, dell hardware was crap | 06:20 |
| ajf | (is?) | 06:20 |
| schweeb | is | 06:21 |
| schweeb | dunno which chipset anymore | 06:21 |
| schweeb | it's all ICH stuff | 06:21 |
| schweeb | ICH5? | 06:21 |
| schweeb | both the parport driver the the snd_intel8x0 driver wanted to use IRQ7 (iirc) | 06:23 |
| ajf | that's normal | 06:24 |
| schweeb | well, parport hogged it completely | 06:24 |
| ajf | gg hardware | 06:25 |
| ajf | :D | 06:25 |
| schweeb | tseng: wow, I love your mono notes... "Just don't install this" | 06:42 |
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| siretart | morning | 09:01 |
| siretart | Burgundavia: ping | 09:01 |
| Burgundavia | here | 09:01 |
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| siretart | Burgundavia: I dont know If you have seen that yet, I restructed a large part of the MOTUGames page | 09:02 |
| Burgundavia | nope | 09:02 |
| siretart | Burgundavia: This was with the intention to make helping us easier | 09:02 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:02 |
| siretart | Burgundavia: if you have time, could you have a look at it? | 09:02 |
| ivoks | morning | 09:03 |
| Burgundavia | am looking right now | 09:03 |
| Burgundavia | looks good | 09:05 |
| siretart | Burgundavia: Do you know some english equivalent to http://ubuntuusers.de/wiki/spiele:apt | 09:05 |
| Burgundavia | no, but jdodson and I had a plan for fridge | 09:05 |
| Burgundavia | basically a game of ($timeperiod) | 09:06 |
| Burgundavia | to showcase cool games in Ubuntu | 09:06 |
| siretart | I really like the website http://ubuntuusers.de/wiki/spiele - but it's german, though | 09:06 |
| siretart | Burgundavia: ah, is jdodson on irc? | 09:06 |
| siretart | Burgundavia: in MOTUNEWGames, he mentions that he has packaged 2 games. I send him a notice | 09:07 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:07 |
| Burgundavia | I have a broken package of openbubbles that I need to cleanup and submit | 09:08 |
| siretart | sound great! :) | 09:08 |
| Burgundavia | not going to happen in the next little while, as I am current in job search mode | 09:09 |
| siretart | ah. I see. | 09:09 |
| siretart | good luck! this clearly has priority | 09:09 |
| Burgundavia | yes, as money runs out soon | 09:09 |
| Burgundavia | I have been living off savings and doing ubuntu work, but that has a finite limit | 09:09 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, going to flood p.u.c | 09:19 |
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| siretart | Burgundavia: do you have some .desktop files not integrated into ubuntu yet and not listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseGamesWithoutDesktopFile? | 09:21 |
| Burgundavia | I can write them, if you want to do the programming side | 09:21 |
| Burgundavia | I can probably even convince my brain and inkscape to produce an icon | 09:22 |
| siretart | programming side? | 09:22 |
| siretart | it just a matter of preparing a new upload.. | 09:22 |
| Burgundavia | making the package install the desktop file | 09:22 |
| Burgundavia | well, apparently, I am very dumb | 09:22 |
| siretart | nono, you are not ;) | 09:23 |
| Burgundavia | I could not figure out how to get the source package to install it in the correct place | 09:23 |
| Burgundavia | I am sure that I am missing something very simple | 09:23 |
| siretart | Burgundavia: I will think about writing an tutorial describing this | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | yes, that would be great | 09:24 |
| ivoks | ok, template done :) upload :) | 09:28 |
| ivoks | siretart: willing to check it out? :) | 09:30 |
| siretart | ivoks: yes, but I'm already terribly late, need to get to university now | 09:34 |
| siretart | ivoks: give me the url and I'll look and comment later | 09:34 |
| ivoks | ok | 09:34 |
| ivoks | http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/ubuntu-debian.template.txt | 09:34 |
| Burgundavia | looks good | 09:35 |
| ivoks | thanks | 09:35 |
| Burgundavia | for platform, do you also mean the people like MOTUGames? | 09:37 |
| Burgundavia | gah, advogato is such a crude tool | 09:38 |
| ivoks | Burgundavia: all MOTU teams | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 09:38 |
| ivoks | Burgundavia: this is proposal for all motu teams, as decided last tnight | 09:38 |
| ivoks | night | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | the current template looks quite low level platform specific | 09:38 |
| ivoks | this is just idea how teams should aproach debian teams | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:39 |
| ivoks | explaining them long term objectives | 09:39 |
| ivoks | like, creating ubuntu as state of the art gamin platform | 09:39 |
| ivoks | short term, like adding game xyz with this changes or something like that.. | 09:40 |
| Burgundavia | one of my personal goals is for every game to have a .desktop file, if appropriate, for breezy | 09:40 |
| Burgundavia | I don't know if I can do it | 09:40 |
| ivoks | that's a short term | 09:40 |
| ivoks | Burgundavia: with people around you, you can do it | 09:41 |
| ivoks | if you are alone, it will be tough | 09:41 |
| ivoks | hard | 09:41 |
| ivoks | :) | 09:41 |
| Burgundavia | shouldn't be that difficlut | 09:41 |
| Burgundavia | first get the .desktop files in | 09:41 |
| Burgundavia | then start working on icons | 09:41 |
| ivoks | right | 09:41 |
| ivoks | but don't forget | 09:41 |
| ivoks | debian prefere menu over /usr/share/applications/ | 09:41 |
| Burgundavia | yes, but that is garbage | 09:42 |
| ivoks | so that would be something you will have to decide... | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | the freedesktop spec is the future | 09:42 |
| ivoks | Burgundavia: i agree, convince debian into it | 09:42 |
| ivoks | :) | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | packages should have both until debian jumps to the freedesktop spec | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | I am surprised that nobody has suggested it for etch | 09:42 |
| ivoks | Burgundavia: debian invented menu cause there was no solution for menu system | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | maybe a case of not-made-here | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | however, that basically means that almost every application is going to be -ubuntu something for breezy, if we go whole hog on the .desktop files, which we should | 09:44 |
| ivoks | that's right | 09:44 |
| ivoks | that would be your diff | 09:45 |
| Burgundavia | which would truly suck | 09:45 |
| ivoks | and debian, when they will convert to freedesktop, they will take your patches | 09:45 |
| Burgundavia | I hope that once we start, we can get good traction upstream | 09:45 |
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| DanielN_ | ivoks: ping | 10:07 |
| ivoks | yes | 10:08 |
| DanielN_ | i think i'm in unclearness about the cxx trans still | 10:09 |
| DanielN_ | just the steps again: | 10:09 |
| DanielN_ | i do my patching work (e.g renaming) then i create a debdiff between the actual version and the new one, right? after that i put that debdiff into debian/patches, create the patch rules in debian/rules and i made a debdiff again, which i provide in the bug report | 10:11 |
| DanielN_ | right? | 10:11 |
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| ivoks | phone | 10:12 |
| DanielN_ | oki :) | 10:13 |
| ivoks | back | 10:14 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: no | 10:15 |
| ivoks | you are doing wrong | 10:15 |
| DanielN_ | i'm not doing it right that | 10:15 |
| DanielN_ | but \sh gave me some hints | 10:15 |
| DanielN_ | wait | 10:15 |
| ivoks | you should do renaming | 10:15 |
| ivoks | fix dependcies | 10:15 |
| ivoks | etc.. | 10:16 |
| ivoks | build source (you will get .dsc) | 10:16 |
| DanielN_ | yep | 10:16 |
| ivoks | then you will have package-version-1.dsc and package-version-1ubuntu1.dsc | 10:16 |
| ivoks | (for example) | 10:16 |
| ivoks | then you do debdiff | 10:16 |
| DanielN_ | yep | 10:16 |
| ivoks | debdiff old.dsc new.dsc | 10:16 |
| DanielN_ | clear :) | 10:16 |
| ivoks | that debdiff is patch you send on bugzilla | 10:16 |
| ivoks | you don't put it in debian or anywhere in source | 10:17 |
| ivoks | that's just diff beetwen your and old version | 10:17 |
| ivoks | that's it. | 10:17 |
| DanielN_ | yeah i know.. but look at \sh's comments here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387 | 10:17 |
| ivoks | you were mentioned on meeting | 10:18 |
| ivoks | yes.. | 10:18 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: noone know what you mentioned with that patching in your debian/rules | 10:19 |
| DanielN_ | hrmpf | 10:19 |
| ivoks | they tought all your fixes for FTBS are in that patches | 10:19 |
| \sh | moins | 10:20 |
| ivoks | that's why they said you are missing those patches | 10:20 |
| ivoks | \sh: hi | 10:20 |
| ivoks | \sh: i uploaded template, care to check it out? | 10:20 |
| DanielN_ | ivoks: aaah! no it's all clear.. i have patch stuff in debian/rules with shouldn't be there | 10:20 |
| DanielN_ | :) | 10:21 |
| \sh | ivoks just now...right now I have to take care about DanielN_ :) | 10:21 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: right :) | 10:21 |
| ivoks | \sh: hehe, let's do it together :) | 10:21 |
| \sh | DanielN_, good morning, missing motu :) | 10:21 |
| ivoks | \sh: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387 | 10:21 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: i know i was a bit abwesend | 10:21 |
| ivoks | \sh: you confused him :) | 10:21 |
| \sh | ivoks, why? the comments are straight and clear :) | 10:21 |
| \sh | ok...whats confusing? | 10:22 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: it's clear now | 10:22 |
| DanielN_ | :) | 10:22 |
| ivoks | \sh: but he tought aqsislibs_c2_patch.diff should be debdiff beetween versions :) | 10:22 |
| \sh | ivoks, oh no :( | 10:22 |
| DanielN_ | yeah.. just missunderstanded that | 10:22 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: but other remarks are ok | 10:22 |
| \sh | DanielN_, ok...one explanation :) I gave ogra my word to guide you | 10:22 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: cool | 10:23 |
| ivoks | \sh: when you will have time: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/ubuntu-debian.template.txt | 10:23 |
| \sh | DanielN_, ok...I will explain :) | 10:23 |
| \sh | DanielN_, first of all, you have upstream source patches, they go into debian/patches/ directory | 10:24 |
| siretart | re | 10:24 |
| \sh | those patches are fixing bugs in upstream source | 10:24 |
| \sh | those patches have to be applied via debian/rules file | 10:24 |
| siretart | ivoks: I looked at your template, I like it. though, I'm not sure if the term "platform" is propriate for every team | 10:24 |
| \sh | now, when u do a e.g. debuild -S you generate a new package_version.dsc file | 10:25 |
| DanielN_ | yep | 10:25 |
| \sh | now, comes the debdiff patch, what debian and we need in our bugzilla for the transition | 10:25 |
| \sh | you go to the directory, where the original dsc file and the new dsc file is laying | 10:25 |
| DanielN_ | right | 10:25 |
| \sh | debdiff orig_package.dsc new_package.dsc | 10:26 |
| DanielN_ | jau :) | 10:26 |
| \sh | will give you a diff file including debian/* and upstream...but the upstream is normally untouched and you only get the changes between the debian/ dir of the too...so it will show also the "new files" inside the debian/ dir, that means, replaced files, new files, deleted files etc. and after all, the upstream source patch in the debian/patches directory | 10:27 |
| DanielN_ | if there is one... | 10:27 |
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| \sh | hi siretart | 10:28 |
| \sh | Burgundavia, ping | 10:29 |
| siretart | huhu \sh | 10:30 |
| \sh | DanielN_, when there is no patch for upstream, you should create one by yourself, or if you don't need one, don't create a debian/patches dir | 10:31 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: that's what i ment :) | 10:32 |
| DanielN_ | thanks | 10:32 |
| ivoks | siretart: back :) | 10:33 |
| ivoks | siretart: platformX was just sinonim for something that team works on | 10:33 |
| \sh | DanielN_, but u created one :) | 10:33 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: long time ago ;) | 10:33 |
| \sh | siretart, http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/24-The-Summer-and-PacMan.html read about this guy in the comments ;) | 10:33 |
| \sh | DanielN_, then remove it :) | 10:34 |
| \sh | DanielN_, do it, remove it, send the debdiff, make me happy, let me dance around :) I want to see u as our youngest motu ever :) | 10:34 |
| \sh | am I right? :) | 10:34 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: and as the first swiss ubuntu maintainer :) | 10:36 |
| DanielN_ | the age isn't a point that really counts imho | 10:36 |
| \sh | ivoks, what about this as first sentence: We're the Ubuntu MOTU<insert project here> Team and we want to introduce ourselfs. Our members are: X.Y <x.y.email address> (Position in the team)\n labla | 10:37 |
| \sh | DanielN_, the age is part of it :) it's part of your story of initiation :) if you become a motu, then it's just like the red indian tradition for young fighters to catch an eagles feather from his nest ;) | 10:38 |
| \sh | well, I should change my job and become a writer of poems ;) | 10:39 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: lol .. you're funny :) | 10:39 |
| DanielN_ | made my day i think | 10:39 |
| DanielN_ | sou... fixing aqsis now | 10:40 |
| \sh | siretart, can u do me a favour? | 10:41 |
| ivoks | \sh: oh, ok, no problem | 10:42 |
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| siretart | \sh: I'm quite busy right, now, but. what is it? | 10:44 |
| \sh | can u have a look over kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts when u have time (or ivoks ;)) I need only one last signature and then I can put into the tree...for kubuntu | 10:45 |
| Burgundavia | \sh, here | 10:48 |
| \sh | Burgundavia, can u give me the wiki page of the intro dev docs? | 10:49 |
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| Burgundavia | \sh, hmm, I am not really involved in that | 10:50 |
| Burgundavia | \sh, tseng has a better idea | 10:50 |
| siretart | \sh: uuuh, I'm not familar with kde stuff at all, but the debian/ dir looks fine | 10:51 |
| \sh | siretart, thats all i need the rest is only text :) put your signature there ;) | 10:51 |
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| siretart | \sh: just on thing for extremly picky mode: your copyright file should state what exactly is licensed under gpl | 10:53 |
| siretart | \sh: just putting a file COPYING in the source package doesn't suffice, the gpl would have to be correctly applied | 10:54 |
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| \sh | siretart, well, everything is under GPL | 10:55 |
| siretart | references: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/12/msg00007.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/12/msg00194.html | 10:55 |
| siretart | but with this remark - signed, siretart :) | 10:56 |
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| siretart | links taken from here: http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/sponsorship_checklist.html | 10:58 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: hope aqsis is ok now! | 10:58 |
| \sh | siretart, u mean something like this: Copyright: 2005 Stephan Hermann ? | 10:58 |
| \sh | to mention the copyright holder? | 10:58 |
| ivoks | i hate macs | 10:59 |
| siretart | yes. | 10:59 |
| ivoks | osx sucks | 11:00 |
| siretart | if reviewing in extremly pedantic mode. otherwise you have my blessing :) | 11:00 |
| ivoks | it's worse than windows | 11:00 |
| \sh | DanielN_, much better dude :) I will grab it and try to compile it on my laptop and when everything is allright, upload in your name | 11:00 |
| siretart | ivoks: I know ppl around here who swear on osx | 11:00 |
| ivoks | siretart: well, they didn't try to use it normaly then | 11:00 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: nice | 11:00 |
| ivoks | man, thir implementation of CUPS is... OMG | 11:00 |
| ivoks | their samba connection is... WTF? | 11:01 |
| ivoks | how come all OSes works great, but those OSX never work good in heterogen enviorment | 11:01 |
| \sh | siretart, ok, put the copyright holder (it's me) in the copyright file....the license preamble a can leave just like this... | 11:01 |
| siretart | \sh: that should do it well | 11:03 |
| \sh | ok...thx :) | 11:04 |
| \sh | DanielN_, u see, even I'm learning ;) | 11:04 |
| \sh | siretart, put your name and your comments on the page ;) | 11:05 |
| \sh | DanielN_, building the package | 11:06 |
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| siretart | \sh: done | 11:09 |
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| JanC | woohoo! | 11:13 |
| JanC | xkb fixed :) | 11:13 |
| DanielN_ | yep | 11:16 |
| DanielN_ | nice to type right again :) | 11:16 |
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| DanielN_ | \sh: nice build ? | 11:22 |
| \sh | DanielN_, it's build just now...was not on my place right now :( | 11:33 |
| \sh | wiki broken? | 11:34 |
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| siretart | Internal Server Error | 11:37 |
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| DanielN_ | going out for lunch .. see ya later | 11:50 |
| terrex | cya | 11:51 |
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| \sh | DanielN_, did u build it? | 11:59 |
| \sh | g++ -g -O2 -o .libs/aqsis aqsis.o ../render/.libs/libaqsis.so ../libraytrace/.libs/libraytrace.so ../libargparse/.libs/libargparse.so | 12:00 |
| \sh | ../render/.libs/libaqsis.so: undefined reference to `Aqsis::CqPoolable<Aqsis::CqLath, 512l>::m_thePool' | 12:00 |
| \sh | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | 12:00 |
| \sh | DanielN_, check https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387 | 12:01 |
| ivoks | ok, i fixed some stuff in template | 12:02 |
| \sh | yeah..we should provide one team email address and a gpg key for this address, signed by all members of the team | 12:04 |
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| ivoks | right | 12:10 |
| elmo | kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts - Konqueror shortcuts for the Ubuntu wiki and bugzilla | 12:21 |
| elmo | ... any reason they can't just go into konqueror? | 12:21 |
| \sh | elmo, cause it's ubuntu/kubuntu specific | 12:22 |
| \sh | and has nothing to do with orig upstream | 12:22 |
| elmo | ... so are most of our patches? | 12:23 |
| \sh | elmo, the shortcuts etc. presented by kde are common to the community...we can ask upstream to have ubuntu shortcuts included in their next release or kde4 | 12:24 |
| \sh | sorry, common for kde... | 12:24 |
| \sh | or riddell comes up with a better idea? | 12:25 |
| ivoks | elmo: i sent you email last night, hope you got it :/ | 12:25 |
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| ivoks | gnome-art is great app | 12:35 |
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| DanielN_ | \sh: can you say me, which file is buggy? | 12:49 |
| \sh | DanielN_, no...but search for the missing reference | 12:50 |
| DanielN_ | aha | 12:51 |
| DanielN_ | and how? | 12:51 |
| \sh | somewhere is a function which calls this function wich is missing...can be, that the object file is not mentioned in the library creation | 12:51 |
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| \sh | DanielN_, u r member already, right? | 12:56 |
| DanielN_ | yep | 12:56 |
| \sh | can u remove yourself from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda | 12:57 |
| DanielN_ | argh | 12:57 |
| jsgotangco | ooohh right there's a CC meeting in an hour | 12:57 |
| DanielN_ | i forget that ... | 12:57 |
| \sh | no problem :) I'm looking right now over the new members :) | 12:57 |
| DanielN_ | hrmpf | 12:58 |
| DanielN_ | that's a silly work to find that goddamn error | 12:58 |
| ivoks | meeting? agian? :) | 12:58 |
| ivoks | lol | 12:58 |
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| \sh | motaboy, are u attending today the CC meeting? or r u already approved member? | 12:59 |
| \sh | DanielN_, that's our job ;) | 12:59 |
| \sh | ivoks, community council | 12:59 |
| ivoks | i know | 01:00 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: i know ;) | 01:00 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: i'm removed no | 01:00 |
| DanielN_ | from the agenda | 01:00 |
| ivoks | \sh: maybe we should show template to one or two DDs? | 01:02 |
| \sh | ajmitch and dilinger :) | 01:02 |
| ivoks | right :) | 01:02 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: do you build it with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot? | 01:05 |
| \sh | DanielN_, i'm using only pbuilder | 01:06 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: me too, but i've upgraded my lap yesterday to breezy | 01:06 |
| \sh | DanielN_, so every b-d is pulled again and clean | 01:06 |
| ivoks | clean? | 01:07 |
| \sh | DanielN_, me too :) and my pbuilder was always breezy :) | 01:07 |
| ivoks | hm... lots of MB | 01:07 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: i got another error than you | 01:07 |
| \sh | ivoks, i don't have a bandwidth ticker :) | 01:07 |
| ivoks | lucky you :) | 01:07 |
| \sh | DanielN_, which one? | 01:08 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: first, unmet build deps and later an error in config.status, which says that fltk library wasn't found | 01:08 |
| ivoks | i have 5GB per month for 12 euros | 01:08 |
| \sh | DanielN_, hmmm... | 01:10 |
| ivoks | fltkc2 | 01:10 |
| \sh | DanielN_, no... | 01:10 |
| ivoks | :) | 01:10 |
| DanielN_ | ivoks: damn transition :P | 01:11 |
| \sh | ivoks, no...if then you have a b-d pulled in by libfltk-dev | 01:11 |
| ivoks | ok, what package are we talking about? | 01:11 |
| DanielN_ | aqsis | 01:12 |
| ivoks | so i can check it with you and, maybe help | 01:12 |
| ivoks | uh, big source | 01:12 |
| DanielN_ | hehe.. 40MB downstream here :) | 01:12 |
| DanielN_ | mbit | 01:12 |
| ivoks | i have 1gbit/s | 01:13 |
| DanielN_ | huh? | 01:13 |
| DanielN_ | OMFG | 01:13 |
| ivoks | surprised? :) | 01:13 |
| DanielN_ | :) | 01:13 |
| DanielN_ | yes i am | 01:13 |
| ivoks | it takes 60 seconds to download sagre-cd1.iso :) | 01:13 |
| \sh | 4mbit/s at home, flat and more then 1GB/s here in the company.. | 01:13 |
| jsgotangco | wtf | 01:13 |
| \sh | coffee and a cigarette | 01:14 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: should do the same ;) | 01:14 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: you are too young to smoke | 01:14 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: so, where can i find your debdiff? | 01:15 |
| DanielN_ | ivoks: please.. don't teach my in things like smoking.. there are enough other people who try that again and again ;) | 01:16 |
| DanielN_ | ivoks: it's in bugzilla, wait a moment | 01:16 |
| DanielN_ | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387 | 01:17 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: well, those pepole are right | 01:17 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: you are 16, right? | 01:17 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: look, i smoke now and then, but smoking with 16 is really bad | 01:17 |
| ivoks | you loungs aren't developed | 01:18 |
| ivoks | so, you are doing your self a big damage | 01:18 |
| ivoks | ok, couple of things... debdiff isn't good :) | 01:19 |
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| Nafallo | :-) | 01:19 |
| ivoks | Nafallo: :) | 01:19 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: in debian/control, line 5, Build-depends | 01:20 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: sure they are right.. but i love smoking | 01:20 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: instead of libfltk1.1-dev there sould be libfltk1.1-dev (>= 1.1.6-2ubuntu1) | 01:20 |
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| ivoks | ok, let's try to build this.. | 01:22 |
| DanielN_ | ok | 01:22 |
| DanielN_ | wait | 01:22 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: why wait? | 01:25 |
| \sh | a few minutes away..have to do some nagra stuff | 01:25 |
| ivoks | \sh: see you at 14:00 | 01:25 |
| ivoks | uh... lots of Makefiles | 01:25 |
| ivoks | i'm sure there will be problems with building this on amd64 | 01:25 |
| ivoks | warning "Unknown compiler version - please run the configure tests and report the results" | 01:26 |
| ivoks | this doesn't look good :( | 01:26 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: do you know why there must be (>= 1.1.6-2ubuntu1)? | 01:27 |
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| ivoks | two ogras :) | 01:29 |
| DanielN_ | ivoks: no not really.. cause i thought, that if there's no special version in the build deps, the available one would be taken | 01:30 |
| DanielN_ | mhm | 01:31 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: well, versions 1.1.6-2ubuntu1 and above are compiled with gcc4/g++4 | 01:31 |
| DanielN_ | aha | 01:31 |
| DanielN_ | :) | 01:31 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: so your app should depend on same compilers to spot errors | 01:31 |
| \sh | back | 01:34 |
| DanielN_ | mhm | 01:36 |
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| DanielN_ | aqsis is a package for though guys i think ;> | 01:36 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: did you have problems compiling this on i386? | 01:36 |
| DanielN_ | ivoks: it's still building.. but i got compiler version warnings already | 01:36 |
| ivoks | that's ok | 01:36 |
| ivoks | but it's compiling nicly | 01:36 |
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| \sh | ivoks,this boost stuff i patched to recognize gcc4/g++4 as compiler | 01:38 |
| ivoks | yeah, this should be trivial.. | 01:38 |
| ivoks | \sh: that's the only problem, right? | 01:39 |
| ivoks | cause, i don't see anything else atm | 01:39 |
| \sh | ivoks, the warnings were not the problem | 01:39 |
| ivoks | sure, but it looks good without them :) | 01:39 |
| ivoks | there is one situation... | 01:39 |
| \sh | as I mentioned in the bug: the latest build was failing because of undefined reference :) | 01:39 |
| ivoks | imagebuffer.cpp:1578: warning: passing 'TqFloat' for argument 3 to 'static void Aqsis::CqOcclusionBox::CreateHierarchy(TqInt, TqInt, TqInt, TqInt)' | 01:40 |
| ivoks | float to int | 01:40 |
| ivoks | hm. | 01:40 |
| ivoks | i don't know much about c++, but this isn't good :_) | 01:40 |
| \sh | ivoks, warnings ok ;) u don't know what TqFloat is actually :) | 01:41 |
| ivoks | \sh: i think name should be very inicative :) | 01:41 |
| ivoks | indicative | 01:42 |
| \sh | ivoks, no :) | 01:42 |
| \sh | I don't want to depend on the names...sometimes it's wrong ;) | 01:42 |
| ivoks | ok, this is upstream problem :) | 01:42 |
| \sh | do u get any undefined references in one lib at the end of the build? | 01:43 |
| ivoks | i agree, let's check... | 01:43 |
| ivoks | still building | 01:43 |
| \sh | ah ok | 01:43 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: still building here | 01:43 |
| \sh | and it's bad that they're delivering their own boost lib | 01:43 |
| \sh | but anyways | 01:44 |
| ivoks | \sh: libslxargs/rcdummy.cpp:typedef float TqFloat; | 01:45 |
| ivoks | libslxargs/rcdummy.cpp:typedef int TqInt; | 01:45 |
| ivoks | float to int | 01:45 |
| ivoks | bad call, upstream, bad call :) | 01:45 |
| DanielN_ | fscking disabled laptop.. 600mhz isn't ok for compiling stuff | 01:46 |
| DanielN_ | :/ | 01:46 |
| \sh | ivoks, fix it send upstream ;) | 01:47 |
| ivoks | \sh: maybe i will | 01:48 |
| DanielN_ | uff | 01:49 |
| ivoks | DanielN_: fix /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf | 01:50 |
| DanielN_ | maybe it'll be build until breezy is released | 01:50 |
| ivoks | pl. error | 01:50 |
| ivoks | \sh: warning before this error is... guess what :) | 01:51 |
| ivoks | warning: converting to 'int' from 'TqFloat' | 01:51 |
| DanielN_ | ouch ;> | 01:52 |
| \sh | ivoks, yeah, but this doesn't have to do with the missing reference of this function in the lib | 01:52 |
| ivoks | true... | 01:52 |
| \sh | and that's the reason why it's ftbfs | 01:53 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: ftbs here too | 01:54 |
| ivoks | i know :) | 01:54 |
| \sh | so, somewhere somehow this objectfile is missing in library creation | 01:54 |
| ivoks | does fedora has aqasis? | 01:55 |
| \sh | let me try something :) | 01:57 |
| ivoks | ok http://aqsis.sourceforge.net/xoops/index.php is useless | 01:57 |
| \sh | I'm trying to patch it...can be there there is a missing .la reference...lemme check | 02:05 |
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| jsgotangco | wow launchpad become slower than usual | 02:24 |
| ivoks | heh | 02:26 |
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| ivoks | works ok now | 02:27 |
| Riddell | when is review day? | 02:28 |
| tseng | 27th iirc | 02:28 |
| tseng | yes | 02:28 |
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| Riddell | tseng: where is that written? | 02:35 |
| tseng | in the topic | 02:35 |
| tseng | and i think -devel | 02:35 |
| Riddell | crivvens, so it is | 02:35 |
| tseng | squinn: over here please :) | 02:36 |
| squinn | yep yep | 02:36 |
| squinn | sorry tseng | 02:36 |
| tseng | thanks. | 02:36 |
| tseng | the more questions in-meeting the longer it takes | 02:36 |
| tseng | which isnt a problem for me, but some people in other timezeones have to be up early/late to be there | 02:36 |
| tseng | and want to be back to bed ;) | 02:37 |
| jsgotangco | im getting sleepy | 02:37 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 02:37 |
| squinn | i've not showered yet hah | 02:37 |
| squinn | now here's another question | 02:39 |
| tseng | k | 02:39 |
| squinn | what would i do if i wanted a package to be upgraded | 02:39 |
| squinn | if there is a higher, better version, but it's not in ubuntu [my pkg is in main, for example] | 02:39 |
| squinn | what do i do? | 02:39 |
| squinn | the package i'm looking at is essential -- it fixed a crucial docteam bug -- and the version with the bugfix isn't even in hoary yet | 02:40 |
| squinn | er breezy rather | 02:40 |
| squinn | i know it wouldn't be motu | 02:42 |
| squinn | because it's not universe | 02:42 |
| jsgotangco | squinn, what is that? | 02:42 |
| squinn | gnome-doc-utils | 02:44 |
| squinn | have you ever done any work in yelp jerome, because a bug in that pkg made font really gigantic and ugly thanks to an endterm flag | 02:44 |
| ogra | squinn, so talk to the maintainer, nd give him your patch | 02:44 |
| squinn | we have | 02:44 |
| squinn | if you're talking about GNOME in general | 02:44 |
| tseng | yes make a patch | 02:45 |
| tseng | and give it to seb128 | 02:45 |
| jsgotangco | squinn, yeah | 02:45 |
| ogra | squinn, (seb128 is the maintainer) | 02:45 |
| jsgotangco | seb128 | 02:45 |
| squinn | give what patch though? | 02:46 |
| squinn | the patch we gave to gnome | 02:46 |
| squinn | or just tell him there's a new version | 02:46 |
| tseng | the fix | 02:46 |
| tseng | eh whatever | 02:46 |
| tseng | tell him about the bug then | 02:46 |
| squinn | okay | 02:47 |
| squinn | alright, i just found an [easy] bug | 02:48 |
| squinn | it says mplayer is dependent on xmms..and it shouldn't be. how can i "break" this dependency? | 02:48 |
| jamessan|work | squinn: actually, the mplayer GUI is dependent on xmms for some odd reason. the non-gui package isn't | 02:50 |
| Nafallo | xmms-output plugin | 02:52 |
| squinn | that's what i was thinking | 02:52 |
| squinn | xmmplayer | 02:52 |
| squinn | but what i think the reporter wants to do is install mplayer w/o xmms..and this can't be because of a plugin? | 02:52 |
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| ivoks | welcome JRe | 02:57 |
| squinn | welcome. | 02:57 |
| JRe | hi! | 02:57 |
| squinn | congratulations. | 02:57 |
| Riddell | squinn: he's not in yet | 02:57 |
| shawarma | Question: In malone there's a bug regarding mplayer... That's not even in universe! | 02:57 |
| Nafallo | shawarma: multiverse though | 02:58 |
| ivoks | congrats | 02:58 |
| jsgotangco | well he's in now :) | 02:58 |
| Lathiat | its in multiverse | 02:58 |
| Riddell | he's in! | 02:58 |
| shawarma | Yes... Who handles that? | 02:58 |
| Nafallo | shawarma: it's MOTU's responsibility as well :-) | 02:58 |
| shawarma | Nafallo: Oh! I had no idea! | 02:58 |
| Lathiat | MotuTeamMOTM? ;) | 02:58 |
| squinn | shawarma, i'm responding on that bug now | 02:58 |
| JRe | thanks ;) ! | 02:59 |
| shawarma | Can you somehow show that you are working on a particular bug? E.g. assign it to yourself? | 03:00 |
| squinn | shawarma, I saw that on Gentoo bugzilla a lot | 03:00 |
| squinn | add self to CCs | 03:00 |
| shawarma | Right.. But is there any way to avoid two people from working on the same thing at the same time? | 03:01 |
| squinn | Self-assign I guess. | 03:03 |
| squinn | But otherwise no. | 03:03 |
| shawarma | squinn: And by self-assign, you mean just add myself to the CC-list? | 03:05 |
| squinn | No. Assigning the bug to your email. | 03:05 |
| squinn | as in you'd be the one who the bug is assigned to. | 03:05 |
| squinn | But sometimes that wouldn't stop people. | 03:05 |
| shawarma | :-D I just asked 5 minutes ago if it was possible to assign a bug to yourself.. At least that's what I tried to ask. :-) | 03:06 |
| shawarma | How do I do that? | 03:07 |
| squinn | Yeah, and I said I saw that happen a lot in Gentoo. | 03:07 |
| squinn | I don't know..you have to have certain privleges I believe. | 03:07 |
| shawarma | Another question: Do you guys all run Breezy on your system? | 03:08 |
| squinn | I run Hoary. | 03:08 |
| Treenaks | I run breezy | 03:08 |
| shawarma | squinn: How do you handle building stuff for Breezy? | 03:08 |
| JRe | hoary | 03:08 |
| shawarma | Set up a chroot env with debootstrap? | 03:08 |
| JRe | (+deboostrapchroot to build package) | 03:09 |
| squinn | shawarma, what do you mean? | 03:09 |
| schweeb | use a pbuilder | 03:09 |
| Riddell | Mez: well done | 03:09 |
| squinn | Oh. I don't use Breezy -- or build stuff for it? | 03:09 |
| Mez | ty | 03:09 |
| Riddell | ogra: konversation k3b arn't in universe so they didn't need MOTU review | 03:09 |
| shawarma | schweeb: Right, but it's a lot easier to debug stuff and such if you're running it somehow. | 03:09 |
| shawarma | squinn: All the stuff you do for Universe is for breezy... Or did I misunderstand something? | 03:10 |
| ogra | Riddell, yes, but there were contributions nobody beside you and Mez knew about... we should have a solution for this... | 03:10 |
| squinn | Um, I'm not a MOTU | 03:10 |
| shawarma | All that goes into hoary these days are urgent security fixes, right? | 03:10 |
| squinn | Right. | 03:10 |
| squinn | I just bug-triage here-and-there. | 03:10 |
| Riddell | ogra: they were discussed on #kubuntu-devel, that's the best place for those packages | 03:10 |
| Mez | ogra - brezy-changes mailing list | 03:11 |
| shawarma | squinn: And how do you plan on testing your contributions? | 03:11 |
| Riddell | ogra: and I doubt you'd be very interested in those two | 03:11 |
| Mez | I had one of the konv developers contact me when my changes got pushed through on there | 03:11 |
| squinn | I'm getting there, shawarmaa. | 03:11 |
| squinn | extra a | 03:11 |
| Mez | so they noticed :D | 03:11 |
| ogra | Riddell, right | 03:11 |
| squinn | For DocTeam, I do all Hoary stuff, and then in about August or September, I upgrade to Breezy and make all needed changes. | 03:11 |
| shawarma | squinn: Ok... How about the changes to mplayer that you said you were working on? | 03:12 |
| shawarma | squinn: I'm just a little confused. | 03:12 |
| squinn | The mplayer thing I was working on was all of dependencies. | 03:13 |
| squinn | Is it dependent to xmms or not? | 03:13 |
| squinn | That's the question. | 03:13 |
| squinn | Right now, it is because of xmmplayer. | 03:13 |
| ogra | squinn, you do doc stuff for hoary ? why that ? | 03:13 |
| shawarma | JRe: You said you used a debootstrapchroot to build run Breezy.. Did you just copy the hoary script in /usr/share/debootstrap and made a breezy one? | 03:13 |
| squinn | Why doc stuff or why for Hoary? | 03:14 |
| JRe | shawarma: i follow the wiki page indications | 03:15 |
| shawarma | squinn: The mplayer thing is not just a faulty dependency. Mplayer can fall back to using xmms to play stuff. | 03:15 |
| JRe | shawarma: s/follow/followed/ | 03:15 |
| squinn | shawarma, like what..xmms can't play videos? | 03:15 |
| shawarma | JRe: Oh! I didn't see that one. | 03:15 |
| squinn | without the plugin | 03:15 |
| shawarma | squinn: If you try playing something with mplayer that doesn't work, it tries with xmms. | 03:16 |
| shawarma | squinn: mplayer can play audio as well as video, you know. | 03:16 |
| squinn | i know that | 03:17 |
| squinn | alright, got it | 03:17 |
| squinn | thanks | 03:17 |
| squinn | and i'm upgrading to breezy now | 03:17 |
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| Riddell | ogra: do you have other suggestions for MOTU and Kubuntu working better together? | 03:18 |
| ogra | Riddell, lets talk about it after the meeting.... but have a look at: http://siretart.tauware.de/review-tool/ and http://siretart.tauware.de/review-tool/ER.png | 03:19 |
| ogra | it could solve this | 03:19 |
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| bddebian | Howdy folks | 03:21 |
| squinn | what's the difference between malone/bugzilla? | 03:21 |
| JRe | ogra: ow it's very nice! | 03:22 |
| JRe | it's a way better than modifying the wiki page | 03:25 |
| ogra | yeps | 03:27 |
| \sh | time for a coffee and something to smoke | 03:27 |
| jsgotangco | im going to bed | 03:28 |
| DanielN_ | \sh: i don't say anything now ;) | 03:28 |
| jsgotangco | laterz | 03:28 |
| ivoks | agree | 03:28 |
| ogra | we wanted to go for request tracker (RT) but siretart's tol looks better tailored | 03:28 |
| ivoks | long meeting | 03:28 |
| JRe | \sh: craven ;) ;) ? | 03:28 |
| DanielN_ | squinn: malone is part of launchpad and will replace bugzilla, if it's finnished | 03:30 |
| DanielN_ | (if i'm right) | 03:30 |
| squinn | right okay | 03:33 |
| \sh | back | 03:49 |
| ivoks | hi :) | 03:49 |
| \sh | ogra, agreed | 03:49 |
| \sh | JRe, what about craven? | 03:49 |
| JRe | \sh: (cigaret brand you smoked) | 03:49 |
| \sh | JRe, Turner Tobacco | 03:50 |
| ivoks | https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/ubuntumembers/+members - ah, lol | 03:51 |
| ivoks | now it looks like i'm not even member :) | 03:51 |
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| bddebian | Doh | 03:52 |
| Riddell | how do I get added to that launchpad page? | 03:53 |
| bddebian | Riddell: Add yourself. I did it yesterday. :-) | 03:53 |
| Riddell | ah hah https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/ubuntumembers/+join | 03:54 |
| ogra | Riddell, log n and go to https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/ubuntumembers/+join | 03:54 |
| \sh | siretart, can we get in touch for the motu review tool? later this day via IM or query? :) | 03:56 |
| ivoks | does anyone has ubuntu.com address? | 03:57 |
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| ivoks | it seems to me that my emails are rejected (probably considerd spam) | 03:57 |
| ivoks | ogra: ubuntu.com is just forward, right? | 03:58 |
| ogra | yep | 03:58 |
| ogra | but it hs to be set up by elmo... | 03:58 |
| ivoks | i know | 03:58 |
| ivoks | ogra: could I send you an email to check will it go trough? | 03:58 |
| ogra | sure | 03:59 |
| ogra | ogra@ubuntu.com | 03:59 |
| ivoks | ok, sent... | 04:00 |
| ivoks | ogra: did you get it? | 04:01 |
| ogra | ivoks, looks like | 04:02 |
| ivoks | ok, then fiordland.warthogs.hbd.com accepts my email | 04:03 |
| ivoks | nah... | 04:07 |
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| bddebian | Does the Ubuntu live CD have ssh/scp on it?? | 04:15 |
| GNULinuxer | bddebian> yes | 04:20 |
| bddebian | GNULinuxer: Thanks | 04:21 |
| sivang | bddebian: nice to see familiar nicknames around here :-) | 04:21 |
| bddebian | :-) | 04:21 |
| bddebian | Hello sivang | 04:21 |
| sivang | bddebian: Hello hello, are you caught up on the Ubuntu epidemic as well? ;-) | 04:22 |
| bddebian | sivang: Not yet, but I'm hoping | 04:22 |
| \sh | sivang: did u write an email to me? | 04:22 |
| sivang | bddebian: well, I think you're in for a nice ride. Stay tuned | 04:22 |
| sivang | \sh: yes, I responsed to one of your threads. | 04:22 |
| \sh | sivang, ah :) | 04:23 |
| bddebian | sivang: Well just wait for Ubuntu GNU/Hurd.. ;-P | 04:23 |
| sivang | bddebian: uh-ha! now this is some RAD stuff :-) | 04:24 |
| bddebian | Heh | 04:24 |
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| \sh | grmpf | 04:44 |
| \sh | no it goes... | 04:44 |
| \sh | now | 04:44 |
| \sh | i hope it compiles now | 04:44 |
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| mgalvin | hi all | 04:47 |
| bddebian | Hello mgalvin | 04:50 |
| shawarma | What is the procedure if I fix a bug in malone? Where do I upload patches and such? | 04:52 |
| shawarma | Well, at bug that is filed in malone, obviously. | 04:53 |
| \sh | a link to a website or paste it | 04:53 |
| \sh | right now until it's working correctly | 04:54 |
| shawarma | \sh: Oh, so eventually I'll be able to upload a patch into malone? | 04:55 |
| tseng | dont paste it | 04:55 |
| tseng | use pastebin | 04:55 |
| \sh | yepp...when launchpad guys are implementing this feature | 04:55 |
| \sh | pastebin? | 04:55 |
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| tseng | pastebin.com? | 04:55 |
| \sh | paste it into malone ;) | 04:56 |
| tseng | gar pastebin.ca might work better | 04:56 |
| \sh | come on laptop i want to go home | 04:56 |
| tseng | \sh: i hate a lot of noise on the page | 04:56 |
| tseng | oh well | 04:56 |
| \sh | tseng, there should be a possibility to upload patche | 04:58 |
| \sh | s | 04:58 |
| tseng | of course | 04:58 |
| tseng | we shouldnt be loosing functionality we have in bugzilla | 04:58 |
| \sh | sh*t i have to stop my build now...have to catch the bloody bus | 04:59 |
| \sh | laters | 04:59 |
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| ogra | hey tim__ :) | 04:59 |
| ogra | great to see you here | 04:59 |
| tim__ | lol thanks, good to be here | 05:00 |
| bddebian | Boy, I never got that.. ;-) | 05:00 |
| ogra | guys, tim__ looks like a good candidate for a MOTUEnlightenment team, please help him with his first packages :) | 05:01 |
| ogra | bddebian, not _YET_ ;) | 05:01 |
| ogra | bddebian, but its also nice to see _you_ around ;) | 05:01 |
| bddebian | Heh, nice out. ;-P | 05:02 |
| tim__ | hrm, this guide I'm reading is saying that building packages for libraries is a little tricker....maybe I'll start myself out w/ something else today | 05:12 |
| bddebian | :-) | 05:12 |
| ogra | tim__, easiest is to fix a existing package to get familiar with the internals | 05:15 |
| shawarma | Ok, so I fixed a bug in Malone and created a patch and attached a link to it.. Then what? How do I notify someon who can actually do something about it? | 05:15 |
| shawarma | Just shout it here? | 05:15 |
| bddebian | Don't shout, I have a headache.. ;-) | 05:15 |
| shawarma | :-) Ok then. | 05:15 |
| tim__ | ogra, know of a package that needs some fixin :) | 05:16 |
| === shawarma whispers that he has fixed bug nr. 1089 in Malone. | ||
| ogra | look at malone (launchpad.ubuntu.com) | 05:16 |
| shawarma | ogra: Me? | 05:16 |
| ogra | shawarma, nope, tim__ | 05:16 |
| shawarma | ogra: Oh, ok. I thought there was a "notify someone with upload privs" button somewhere that I hadn't seen. :-) | 05:17 |
| ogra | shawarma, put it on MOTUToReview in the wiki... with a link to the malone bug for now | 05:17 |
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| shawarma | ogra: Done. Thanks! | 05:20 |
| ogra | :) thanks for the help | 05:20 |
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| DanielN | hi | 05:23 |
| mitsuhiko | hi | 05:25 |
| bddebian | Hello DanielN | 05:28 |
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| \sh | back | 05:51 |
| mitsuhiko | wb | 05:52 |
| bddebian | wb \sh | 05:52 |
| === ogra applauds \sh for a successfull kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts upload :) | ||
| \sh | yeah.. | 05:55 |
| \sh | just recognized it...thx elmo riddell and all the others :) | 05:55 |
| ogra | grrr, i hate these days where you try to build a package, the phone rings, you are 2h on the phone and doing a testbuild you realize your pbuilder is outdated while you phoned.... grrr | 05:56 |
| === ogra updates | ||
| \sh | hehehe | 05:57 |
| ogra | :) | 05:57 |
| \sh | just like me...15 minutes for leaving work...starting aqsis build to test (2 hours of patching not included) | 05:57 |
| \sh | and then...have leave for home because of this bloody bus ;) | 05:57 |
| \sh | to | 05:58 |
| \sh | hmm...stupid idea to tell this turkey guy to make the doener extra hot and extra spicy | 05:59 |
| ogra | \sh, i hope you ordered some ayran too.... | 06:02 |
| \sh | ogra, nope...thats my pity | 06:02 |
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| \sh | ogra, is network-manager gnome somewhere in the queue? | 06:09 |
| ogra | \sh, isnt it in main already ? | 06:10 |
| \sh | whats the name? | 06:10 |
| ogra | network-manager | 06:10 |
| \sh | ahah. | 06:10 |
| \sh | doesn't work: searches my non existent wifi lans ;) | 06:13 |
| ogra | \sh, it still has issues, but will be the default for reezy | 06:13 |
| ogra | \sh, ask thom abot it, he's the maintainer | 06:13 |
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| Nafallo | \sh: tell it not to search then? | 06:14 |
| Nafallo | \sh: right click the applet. | 06:14 |
| \sh | i can't stop it anymore | 06:14 |
| \sh | i killall the processes and it's restarting | 06:14 |
| Nafallo | \sh: yepp :-) | 06:15 |
| \sh | and it's eating my cpu io | 06:15 |
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| Nafallo | \sh: but if you rightclick the applet you can tell it not to search for wlans :-) | 06:16 |
| \sh | yeah...but i want to stop it | 06:16 |
| ogra | \sh, even better, have a look at your syslog ;) | 06:16 |
| ogra | depending on your HW that can be fun.... | 06:16 |
| \sh | argl..dhcp request | 06:16 |
| ogra | i get a message every 10 sec | 06:16 |
| DanielN | \sh: are you fixing aqsis, or not? | 06:17 |
| ogra | mdz gets 100 messages every sec ;) | 06:17 |
| \sh | DanielN, I just got a bad build again...need to search somewhere else..but if you have a solution :) "her damit" | 06:17 |
| \sh | if i killall 4 processes...it's restarting 2 more | 06:17 |
| ogra | yay... perpetuum mobile :) | 06:18 |
| DanielN | \sh: there wasn't any time in this afternoon at work to search the bug, but i'll tell if i find it :) | 06:18 |
| Nafallo | Jun 21 18:09:14 darkelf NetworkManager: <WARNING>^I (): Warning: the wireless card (eth1) requires too much time for scans. Its driver needs to be fixed. | 06:18 |
| Nafallo | wee! :-) | 06:18 |
| \sh | ok..reboot tut gut | 06:18 |
| ogra | write a script that kills them and transform the extra processes into energy :) | 06:18 |
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| \sh | grmpf | 06:27 |
| \sh | apt-get remove network-manager | 06:27 |
| ivoks | hehe | 06:28 |
| ivoks | me too | 06:28 |
| ivoks | don't forget bind9 and resolvconf too | 06:29 |
| ivoks | :) | 06:29 |
| \sh | bind9 doesn't matter ;) | 06:29 |
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| siretart | \sh: sorry, doesn't look good this evening :( | 06:30 |
| \sh | siretart, doesn't matter...I don't have much time eather..have to be in the office tomorrow morning at 5 | 06:31 |
| \sh | grmpf | 06:32 |
| \sh | ok..now i understand | 06:32 |
| \sh | CqPoolable<Aqsis::CqLath, 512l>::m_thePool | 06:32 |
| \sh | this aqsis needs | 06:32 |
| \sh | but | 06:32 |
| \sh | static CqMemoryPool<T, S> m_thePool; | 06:32 |
| \sh | this is defined | 06:32 |
| \sh | in CqPoolable | 06:33 |
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| \sh | oh no...CqPoolable is a template | 06:33 |
| Amaranth | shit | 06:34 |
| Amaranth | i missed the meeting again | 06:34 |
| \sh | you're in | 06:34 |
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| siretart | ok | 06:36 |
| Amaranth | *boggle* | 06:39 |
| Amaranth | i got accepted without even being there? | 06:39 |
| bddebian | Nice | 06:40 |
| Amaranth | <mako> i'm willing to approve him based on the fact that he's showed up to just about every other CC meeting ever :) | 06:41 |
| Amaranth | <jsgotangco> except his approval meeting? | 06:41 |
| Amaranth | hehe | 06:41 |
| bddebian | whoops :-) | 06:43 |
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| DanielN | \sh: so you have it now, or not? :) | 06:48 |
| bddebian | Where is the Ubuntu framework stuff if I wanted to try to start an Ubuntu GNU/Hurd distro? | 06:49 |
| DanielN | is there a place, where i can see if im approved as member? | 06:49 |
| Amaranth | DanielN: just irc logs, afaik | 06:50 |
| DanielN | Amaranth: ok, then i am :) | 06:50 |
| bddebian | denied.. | 06:50 |
| bddebian | ;-P | 06:50 |
| DanielN | bddebian: have fun.. see ya in, mhm... 30 years maybe? | 06:51 |
| DanielN | :P | 06:51 |
| bddebian | ugh? | 06:51 |
| DanielN | or is hurd commin next year? ;> | 06:51 |
| bddebian | It'll be soon(tm) ;-P | 06:56 |
| DanielN | Amaranth: could you point me please to the irc logs? | 07:07 |
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| brodmann | i'm trying to extract a .run file, but everytime it extracts to the folder, when it's finished, it deletes that tmp folder | 07:21 |
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| lsuactiafner | lol do ppl know what biltong is? | 07:27 |
| \sh | yes they know | 07:36 |
| bddebian | We do? | 07:36 |
| \sh | bddebian, read my blog :) | 07:37 |
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| bddebian | \sh: Link? | 07:37 |
| \sh | linux.blogweb.de | 07:37 |
| bddebian | Hey, where'd you get that picture of my ashtray? :-) | 07:39 |
| \sh | DanielN, ping | 07:42 |
| bddebian | I see no reference to biltong? | 07:42 |
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| \sh | daylight robbery | 07:42 |
| \sh | is the title | 07:42 |
| bddebian | I think I must be going blind.. | 07:43 |
| \sh | second page or third page | 07:44 |
| \sh | http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/18-Daylight-Robbery.html | 07:44 |
| bddebian | Ahh, thx | 07:46 |
| bddebian | w000t, my other StinkPad showed up today.. Ubuntu here I come.. ( I hope ) | 07:49 |
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| DanielN | \sh: pong with 5mins delay (i don't say for what i'm going out ;) ) | 07:51 |
| \sh | DanielN, i'M building it again, to verify my thesis right now...theres something missing | 07:52 |
| DanielN | \sh: as i said, i'd be back in 5mins, but sounds interesting :) | 07:52 |
| bddebian | No one knows where the derivative framework information is?? | 07:58 |
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| DanielN | \sh: there now.. something new? | 08:08 |
| \sh | no not now...let me look | 08:09 |
| DanielN | ok | 08:11 |
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| \sh | this static variable is in libaqsistypes but it isn't include in the ld_add macro of Makefile.am for aqsis | 08:15 |
| DanielN | ah | 08:15 |
| DanielN | and since you're a smart guy, you have included it, right? :) | 08:16 |
| \sh | I'm trying to, yes | 08:16 |
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| DanielN | \sh: cool.. say if i could help ;> | 08:18 |
| \sh | have to patch a little | 08:19 |
| ivoks | still playing with aqsis? :) | 08:19 |
| \sh | DanielN, ocaml is ready to compile...your second opened bug :) | 08:19 |
| \sh | ivoks, yepp | 08:19 |
| ivoks | i'm backporting sarge's samba to hoary | 08:20 |
| ivoks | i need 3.0.14 :( | 08:20 |
| DanielN | why backporting just for yourself? | 08:21 |
| ivoks | my backports will be available to others :) | 08:21 |
| bddebian | Is it always preferred to build from Debian packages rather than build from upstream? | 08:21 |
| ivoks | when i test them... | 08:21 |
| ivoks | away.. not here | 08:21 |
| DanielN | \sh: ocaml? i've taken care about that? | 08:21 |
| DanielN | \sh: i read some irc logs on a friends blog.. you smoke 20 cigs in a week? wow nice! i'd work on that damn habbit :) | 08:22 |
| DanielN | :( i ment | 08:23 |
| \sh | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11403 | 08:23 |
| bddebian | So have I already alienated myself from this channel too?? :-) | 08:24 |
| DanielN | \sh: ahh... gdome2-xslt.. clear | 08:24 |
| DanielN | bddebian: alienated?? | 08:24 |
| \sh | DanielN, what I'm doing= | 08:24 |
| bddebian | DanielN: Pissed everyone off. :-) 90% of #d-d hates me. :-) | 08:25 |
| DanielN | bddebian: you talked about the release cycles? or about debian/hurd?? :D | 08:25 |
| === DanielN fixes: you have talken | ||
| bddebian | DanielN: No, I'm just generally annoying :-) | 08:26 |
| \sh | DanielN, which blog? | 08:26 |
| DanielN | bddebian: back to your question: i'm new to that business, but if there's a debian package already, you have to take that! it would be silly to do work twice | 08:26 |
| DanielN | \sh: http://www.active-4.com/blog/?p=24 | 08:27 |
| DanielN | \sh: it's the one of mitsuhiko | 08:27 |
| \sh | ah...but I'm smoking more then 20 a week. | 08:28 |
| \sh | lets say 35-40 per day :( | 08:28 |
| DanielN | LOL | 08:28 |
| DanielN | 2 packages? | 08:28 |
| \sh | one package of tobacco | 08:28 |
| \sh | one package of tobacco and one package of cigarette paper..that means really 50 cigarettes per day | 08:29 |
| \sh | rymthbox is not working :( | 08:29 |
| DanielN | \sh: ah.. you're talking about the money stuff of smoking ;) | 08:30 |
| \sh | DanielN, no I'm talking about smoking 50 cigs per day...== one package of tobacco (since a couple of months i'm smoking only hand made cigarettes) | 08:31 |
| \sh | hand rolled ;) | 08:31 |
| bddebian | DanielN: Because sometimes Debians patches suck? | 08:31 |
| bddebian | Also because sometimes maintainers are lazy and are way behind upstream | 08:32 |
| DanielN | \sh: it's much cheaper | 08:32 |
| DanielN | bddebian: yep.. sometimes that happens | 08:32 |
| plugwash | bddebian ideally you should cooperate with the debian maintainers | 08:33 |
| bddebian | plugwash: Fair enough, but what if they suck? :-) | 08:34 |
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| plugwash | then you may have to consider other options | 08:35 |
| DanielN | like packaging from scratch again? | 08:36 |
| DanielN | i think it's better to make the debian package suitable and then tell that to the DD | 08:37 |
| DanielN | or maintainer i mean | 08:37 |
| bddebian | OK, I'm not trying to be argumentative, I have just dug through the Old Debian bugs and there are LOTS of them.. :-) | 08:37 |
| === plugwash checks to see if freepascal has been bootstrapped yet | ||
| DanielN | plugwash: you're working on the freepascal package? | 08:39 |
| plugwash | nah i don't think any ubuntu guys have | 08:39 |
| plugwash | i'm not a ubuntu dev myself | 08:39 |
| tseng | you could be | 08:40 |
| plugwash | the freepascal source from debian is sitting there but it needs manual bootstrapping because it needs freepascal to build | 08:40 |
| DanielN | plugwash: i have :) | 08:40 |
| DanielN | or had ;) | 08:41 |
| plugwash | DanielN well i still don't see any freepascal binaries sitting in the universe pool | 08:41 |
| DanielN | plugwash: no | 08:42 |
| DanielN | ftbs | 08:42 |
| DanielN | the bootstrapping thing | 08:42 |
| plugwash | freepascal CAN'T be built without an existing freepascal binary to build it with | 08:43 |
| plugwash | because its written in pascal and it uses compiler features that no other pascal compiler offers | 08:43 |
| DanielN | plugwash: yeah.. and that's why i stopped working on it | 08:44 |
| plugwash | i asked lamont to bootstrap it and he said he would be he doesn't seem to have got arround to doing it | 08:45 |
| \sh | hmm....i just fixed a bug which is filed at upstream but not included...i'm good, but this doesn't help | 08:45 |
| DanielN | :) | 08:47 |
| DanielN | nur mut | 08:47 |
| DanielN | argh sorry... i switch between german and english channels | 08:48 |
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| plugwash | is there an official ubuntu policy on compilers that compile themselves and if so where is it documented? | 08:50 |
| DanielN | plugwash: no idea.. as i said.. i'm quite new to that business :) | 08:51 |
| ivoks | bddebian: why do they hate you? :) | 08:51 |
| bddebian | ivoks: Some, I don't know. Others I tend to annoy for some reason.. | 08:52 |
| ivoks | heh... | 08:52 |
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| \sh | ok filed an upstream bug: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1225058&group_id=25264&atid=383970 | 08:55 |
| DanielN | hi mehrfachstecker | 08:55 |
| mehrfachstecker | hi DanielN ;) | 08:56 |
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| DanielN | \sh: arghs.. sf.net is damn slow | 08:59 |
| DanielN | \sh: so the wiki state of aqsis is "waiting for new upstream release" ? | 09:03 |
| \sh | no...waiting for patch :) | 09:06 |
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| DanielN | \sh: not too pingelig please :)) | 09:07 |
| DanielN | bybye | 09:15 |
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| tseng | \sh: what in the hell is that crap you keep posting on your blog | 09:34 |
| \sh | tseng, u mean the pictures? | 09:34 |
| tseng | yes | 09:35 |
| tseng | mouse eggs? | 09:35 |
| \sh | views of an sysadmin | 09:35 |
| tseng | i see.. | 09:36 |
| \sh | watch those pictures with an ironic eye | 09:37 |
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| lesliev | hello!! | 09:39 |
| bddebian | I AM the smoking admin!! :-) | 09:40 |
| bddebian | Hello lesliev | 09:40 |
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| lesliev | nothing like building packages to make you feel like a newbie! | 09:40 |
| bddebian | :-) | 09:42 |
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| ivoks | wow! this is great | 11:04 |
| ivoks | koffice 1.4 | 11:04 |
| ivoks | and we have ubuntu packages on kde.org | 11:04 |
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| lesliev | nice! | 11:06 |
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| ivoks | \sh: i prefere gnome, it's UI is much nicer and simpler than KDE's | 11:17 |
| lesliev | Is there really a functional difference between KDE and Gnome? | 11:17 |
| lesliev | ie. they seem to have equivalent functionality | 11:18 |
| Burgundavia | they are rapidly approaching similar functionality | 11:18 |
| lesliev | A friend of mine doesn't like Gnome, but can't say why ;-) | 11:18 |
| ivoks | funcionality is same | 11:18 |
| lesliev | I have never had a prob with either, except for menu editing | 11:19 |
| ivoks | but user interface is nicer in gnome, imo | 11:19 |
| lesliev | I think KDE is better? | 11:19 |
| ivoks | there is no better one :) | 11:19 |
| lesliev | With menu editing | 11:19 |
| ivoks | they are both great | 11:19 |
| Burgundavia | I personally think that gnome is the way to go, but hey, what do I know? | 11:19 |
| ivoks | :) | 11:19 |
| lesliev | I am just using it because Ubuntu works best in Gnome | 11:20 |
| lesliev | I think it's a bit of a waste that so much effort is going into both separately | 11:20 |
| ivoks | no.. | 11:21 |
| ivoks | do you know how many great projects there are? | 11:22 |
| ivoks | e17, xfce, fvwm, blackbox... | 11:22 |
| Burgundavia | the freedesktop stuff is trying to bridge that gap | 11:22 |
| ivoks | and that's the best project there is for linux desktop | 11:23 |
| lesliev | I ran e17 for a while, I had a startrek theme that was GREAT | 11:24 |
| lesliev | Just longed for a taskbar because the little pixtures of the desktops were too small | 11:24 |
| ivoks | it needs some polishing and then it will be best interface | 11:24 |
| mitsuhiko | gnome, kde, e, xfce: doesn't matter, all run quake ;-) | 11:29 |
| lesliev | heh | 11:30 |
| lesliev | I am running Tribes 2 mostly. Under Cedega. | 11:30 |
| lesliev | My windows partition is gathering dust ;-) | 11:30 |
| ivoks | i'm waiting xen to support windows | 11:31 |
| ivoks | ok, i will leave only one server on debian | 11:32 |
| ivoks | all other are going to ubuntu | 11:33 |
| \sh | ok..time to sleep... | 11:40 |
| \sh | cu tmororrow | 11:40 |
| ivoks | night | 11:40 |
| ivoks | hm... deutschland plays nice soccer... | 11:40 |
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| ogra | Mez, ping | 11:46 |
| Mez | ogra, pong | 11:46 |
| ogra | Mez, could you try to avoid the word Newbie ? (just seeing your mail) | 11:47 |
| Mez | ogra, if you read it, we're lookign to changing the name :D | 11:47 |
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| Mez | didnt know you were on the mailing list ogra :D | 11:49 |
| ogra | Mez, hey, every MOTU is supposed to read it... | 11:49 |
| ogra | (some dont do it... but you cant force all people to hear the users voice ;) ) | 11:50 |
| ogra | hmm, did i scare him ? | 11:50 |
| ivoks | what list? :) | 11:50 |
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| ivoks | -devel? | 11:50 |
| ogra | -users | 11:51 |
| tseng | hah, I'm supposed to read that? | 11:51 |
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| ivoks | oh, i'm reading -kernel and -devel | 11:51 |
| ogra | tseng, sure to know whats going on... | 11:51 |
| ivoks | ogra: how many mails per day is there? | 11:52 |
| ogra | tseng, alternatively you could lurk in #ubuntu some hours ;) | 11:52 |
| ogra | ivoks, 50-100 depends..... | 11:52 |
| ivoks | uh | 11:52 |
| ivoks | many | 11:52 |
| ogra | nah | 11:52 |
| ivoks | i get 1000 spams daily | 11:52 |
| === ogra has forgotten about the days he had less then 300 mails a day | ||
| ogra | (no spam) | 11:53 |
| ivoks | ogra: i'm on lot's of lists beside ubuntu :) | 11:53 |
| ogra | me too | 11:53 |
| ivoks | ogra: i get maybe 5 spams | 11:53 |
| tseng | 100s | 11:53 |
| ivoks | but 1000 is stoped daily at server | 11:53 |
| tseng | yay for spamassassin | 11:53 |
| ivoks | tseng: 50% of my spams is stoped by postfix | 11:54 |
| ivoks | 10% by amavis | 11:54 |
| tseng | yeah i have some rules | 11:54 |
| ivoks | and rest by sa | 11:54 |
| tseng | in psotfix | 11:54 |
| tseng | for non RFC stuff | 11:54 |
| ivoks | right :) | 11:54 |
| ivoks | reject_invalid_hostname | 11:55 |
| tseng | i have a bunch more than that | 11:55 |
| ivoks | reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unauth_pipelining, reject_unauth_destination, reject_maps_rbl | 11:55 |
| tseng | i have less on sender | 11:56 |
| tseng | and more on recipient | 11:56 |
| tseng | hm | 11:56 |
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| tseng | s | 11:56 |
| ivoks | me too | 11:56 |
| ivoks | no, this are all recipients :) | 11:56 |
| tseng | er | 11:56 |
| tseng | smptd_sender_restrictions = | 11:56 |
| tseng | smtpd_recipient_restrictions = | 11:56 |
| tseng | i think you are mixing things up | 11:57 |
| ivoks | nope :) | 11:57 |
| tseng | why would you put sender restrictions for recipient | 11:57 |
| ivoks | smtpd_recipient = reject_invalid_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unauth_pipelining, permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination, reject_maps_rbl, permit | 11:57 |
| tseng | oh | 11:57 |
| ivoks | i get 500 UBE/UCE daily with this rules | 11:58 |
| ivoks | only on my account | 11:59 |
| ivoks | tseng: http://master.grad.hr/amavis-stats | 11:59 |
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| ajmitch | hi | 12:00 |
| tseng | hi | 12:00 |
| ivoks | hi ajmitch | 12:01 |
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