[12:04] okey [12:06] meeting :) [12:08] ok, done. Sorry to interrupt the meeting. [12:08] don't worry === tseng hugs dholbach === dholbach jumps around tseng happily === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:31] is there a meeting now? [12:31] yes [12:31] you weren't invited schweeb [12:31] oh, fine then [12:31] come on === dholbach pushes tseng away ... tststs [12:31] where's the ubuntu love? [12:32] i love schweeb! [12:32] we are like brothers [12:32] making fun of each other [12:32] i see :) [12:32] UBUNTU LOVE! [12:32] lol === ydo_ [tbe@debian.as] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:39] Gotta sleep, sorry to miss out on all the love && believe I wasn't invited either! === ajf [~forgue@anthracite.aca.oakland.edu] has joined #Ubuntu-MOTU [12:55] I created my own repository for testing and such, but when I try to upload one of my deb, tar.gz, dsc, and .changes, It gets pissed and says this: [dpkg-source output:] dpkg-source: error: unrecognised file suffix `.tar' [12:55] how did you create the source package? [12:56] with debuild (it's my own project, so there's no original source file) [12:56] with debuild -S (-sa) or something? [12:56] no arguments, let me try that [12:57] this should give you the .dsc the .diff.gz (if you have the .orig.tar.gz in place) [12:58] There is no original tarball [12:59] in most cases you should take the upstream tarball (without debian/ modifications) and call it _.orig.tar.gz [12:59] Yeah, but that's the thing.. i am the upstream :D [12:59] it's straight out of my SVN [01:00] then svn export ... (i presume there's some cvs counterpart ;-)) [01:00] you need to make a release [01:00] do ./autogen.sh && make dist [01:00] to be the orig.g [01:00] z [01:00] then a tarball and call it _.orig.tar.gz [01:00] after that you can do the debian/ modifications [01:01] my friend got his phpbb hacked [01:01] ouch [01:01] stupid kid, i locked it [01:01] he lost all his data for now (we have backups [01:01] I'm new to all this, let me try that [01:02] how does it handle packages with '-' in the name [01:03] withouth problems [01:03] epiphany-browser for example [01:03] nautilus-cdburner [01:03] whatever :) [01:03] excellent [01:06] I keep my debian/ directory in SVN [01:06] is that bad practice? [01:06] hmmm [01:06] it will mix up the .diff.gz [01:06] i keep this stuff separatedly [01:06] it didn't make one that time :) [01:07] :) [01:07] keeping the debian/ directory in a VCS isn't a bad idea, as long as it's separate from the actual source [01:07] well here, tell me if this is bad organization: https://anthracite.aca.oakland.edu/websvn/listing.php?repname=Kerberos%20Ticket%20Manager&path=%2Fdebian%2F&rev=0&sc=0 [01:08] haha [01:08] I was there when that was being coded [01:08] except I was drinking, they were coding [01:08] hush you [01:08] that you forgue? [01:09] haha [01:09] yep [01:09] tell me why it's broke [01:09] schweeb: [01:09] I can't hit that site [01:10] @ work? [01:10] nope [01:10] it's trying to load [01:10] but it wont [01:10] the cert is broken, but that's it [01:10] ah there we go [01:10] the cert window popped up on another desktop [01:10] gg. [01:11] ajf: if you manage to build the package, you can upload it somewhere and get it reviewed, if you put it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages === womble [~mpalmer@203-219-190-106.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] when I try to submit it to my dak, it gives that error when moving it from unchecked [01:11] dholbach: the app is barely working :) [01:11] i'd rather not get people comlaining to me quite yet [01:11] ah ok :) [01:12] if you copy the stuff to a new directory [01:12] hah, flav got his own src tree [01:12] lol [01:12] does dpkg-source -x bla.dsc work? [01:12] schweeb: not really [01:13] dholbach: nope :( dpkg-source: error: unrecognised file suffix `.tar' [01:13] do you have a .tar file? [01:13] Depends: libkrb53, libglade2-0 (>= 2.5.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0) doesnt belong in the "source:"-stanza [01:13] you can drop the debian/docs-file [01:14] ah yes [01:14] what does this do: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends} [01:15] it expands the -dev packages you specified in the build-depends to library package names [01:15] ahh [01:15] (those that are actually needed during the build) [01:16] someone on the intarweb said it's a bug in dpkg 1.13.9, but *shrug* it's only 1 post [01:16] http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-amd64@lists.debian.org/msg09651.html [01:16] could you upload those 2-3 files somewhere? [01:16] the .tar.gz the .dsc [01:17] .changes? [01:17] i just want to have a look, don't need the .changes [01:17] hi mbeattie :) [01:18] http://spica.admnet.oakland.edu/~forgue/debian [01:18] I just put everything it generated there [01:20] dpkg-source: warning: source directory `./kerberos-ticket-manager' is not - `kerberos-ticket-manager-0.01' [01:20] ^^ that's interesting [01:20] yeah :) [01:20] if I name it kerberos-ticket-manager-0.1, it says the same thing [01:23] ok, if you do it the way i said (using .orig.tar.gz and moving out the debian/ stuff out of it), you're fine [01:25] thought I tried that,maybe i screwed it up [01:27] same error [01:28] I still get that warning when building it about the source directory is not - [01:28] hm [01:29] ah hang on [01:29] I think I got it [01:29] @_@ [01:30] the version in the changelog was 0.01 while the directory was 0.1 [01:30] yay for typos [01:30] :) [01:31] and dak accepted it [01:31] woohoo! :) [01:31] sweet. Thanks for your patience :D [01:31] anytime === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-155.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:36] bye everyone [01:38] === Arr0gance [~aks@CPE00112f96b894-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === womble_ [~mpalmer@220-245-224-46-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === |QuaD- [~QuaD@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:58] hm === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [~travis@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] <|QuaD-> anyone wanna package something? === robitaille [~robitaill@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Am|NickTaken [amaranth@ip68-229-189-61.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StoneTable [~stone@c-67-184-135-68.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rcliii [~rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === panickedthumb [~travis@68.118.21.165] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:57] hey, on behalf of jdong and the backports team, can the MOTU import the latest sid gnubiff package into breezy universe? [05:58] there has been one major feature release and one major bugfix release since the version there now [06:00] the source package is there, but FTBFS [06:00] broken depends === schweeb bows his head in defeat [06:03] my laptop has gotten the best of me [06:03] took me like a day to figure out why sound wasn't working... I thought it was an IRQ problem... it's cause the mono channel was muted @_@ [06:06] ouch [06:09] now that I have sound working, I just have to wait for mjg59 to get suspend working on SATA laptops [06:18] IRQ conflicts don't happen anymore [06:19] says you 4g00 [06:19] I have a Dell 8200 that says otherwise [06:19] how old is that? [06:20] 3 yrs [06:20] chipset? [06:20] eh, dell hardware was crap [06:20] (is?) [06:21] is [06:21] dunno which chipset anymore [06:21] it's all ICH stuff [06:21] ICH5? [06:23] both the parport driver the the snd_intel8x0 driver wanted to use IRQ7 (iirc) [06:24] that's normal [06:24] well, parport hogged it completely [06:25] gg hardware [06:25] :D [06:42] tseng: wow, I love your mono notes... "Just don't install this" === jbailey [~jbailey@CPE00501836c657-CM014260028338.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === panickedthumb [~travis@68.118.21.165] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-065-055.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:01] morning [09:01] Burgundavia: ping [09:01] here === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0083.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:02] Burgundavia: I dont know If you have seen that yet, I restructed a large part of the MOTUGames page [09:02] nope [09:02] Burgundavia: This was with the intention to make helping us easier [09:02] yes [09:02] Burgundavia: if you have time, could you have a look at it? [09:03] morning [09:03] am looking right now [09:05] looks good [09:05] Burgundavia: Do you know some english equivalent to http://ubuntuusers.de/wiki/spiele:apt [09:05] no, but jdodson and I had a plan for fridge [09:06] basically a game of ($timeperiod) [09:06] to showcase cool games in Ubuntu [09:06] I really like the website http://ubuntuusers.de/wiki/spiele - but it's german, though [09:06] Burgundavia: ah, is jdodson on irc? [09:07] Burgundavia: in MOTUNEWGames, he mentions that he has packaged 2 games. I send him a notice [09:07] yes [09:08] I have a broken package of openbubbles that I need to cleanup and submit [09:08] sound great! :) [09:09] not going to happen in the next little while, as I am current in job search mode [09:09] ah. I see. [09:09] good luck! this clearly has priority [09:09] yes, as money runs out soon [09:09] I have been living off savings and doing ubuntu work, but that has a finite limit [09:19] hmm, going to flood p.u.c === DanielN_ [~KodiaK@162.23.4.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:21] Burgundavia: do you have some .desktop files not integrated into ubuntu yet and not listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseGamesWithoutDesktopFile? [09:21] I can write them, if you want to do the programming side [09:22] I can probably even convince my brain and inkscape to produce an icon [09:22] programming side? [09:22] it just a matter of preparing a new upload.. [09:22] making the package install the desktop file [09:22] well, apparently, I am very dumb [09:23] nono, you are not ;) [09:23] I could not figure out how to get the source package to install it in the correct place [09:23] I am sure that I am missing something very simple [09:24] Burgundavia: I will think about writing an tutorial describing this [09:24] yes, that would be great [09:28] ok, template done :) upload :) [09:30] siretart: willing to check it out? :) [09:34] ivoks: yes, but I'm already terribly late, need to get to university now [09:34] ivoks: give me the url and I'll look and comment later [09:34] ok [09:34] http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/ubuntu-debian.template.txt [09:35] looks good [09:35] thanks [09:37] for platform, do you also mean the people like MOTUGames? [09:38] gah, advogato is such a crude tool [09:38] Burgundavia: all MOTU teams [09:38] ok [09:38] Burgundavia: this is proposal for all motu teams, as decided last tnight [09:38] night [09:38] the current template looks quite low level platform specific [09:39] this is just idea how teams should aproach debian teams [09:39] yes [09:39] explaining them long term objectives [09:39] like, creating ubuntu as state of the art gamin platform [09:40] short term, like adding game xyz with this changes or something like that.. [09:40] one of my personal goals is for every game to have a .desktop file, if appropriate, for breezy [09:40] I don't know if I can do it [09:40] that's a short term [09:41] Burgundavia: with people around you, you can do it [09:41] if you are alone, it will be tough [09:41] hard [09:41] :) [09:41] shouldn't be that difficlut [09:41] first get the .desktop files in [09:41] then start working on icons [09:41] right [09:41] but don't forget [09:41] debian prefere menu over /usr/share/applications/ [09:42] yes, but that is garbage [09:42] so that would be something you will have to decide... [09:42] the freedesktop spec is the future [09:42] Burgundavia: i agree, convince debian into it [09:42] :) [09:42] packages should have both until debian jumps to the freedesktop spec [09:42] I am surprised that nobody has suggested it for etch [09:43] Burgundavia: debian invented menu cause there was no solution for menu system [09:43] maybe a case of not-made-here [09:44] however, that basically means that almost every application is going to be -ubuntu something for breezy, if we go whole hog on the .desktop files, which we should [09:44] that's right [09:45] that would be your diff [09:45] which would truly suck [09:45] and debian, when they will convert to freedesktop, they will take your patches [09:45] I hope that once we start, we can get good traction upstream === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] ivoks: ping [10:08] yes [10:09] i think i'm in unclearness about the cxx trans still [10:09] just the steps again: [10:11] i do my patching work (e.g renaming) then i create a debdiff between the actual version and the new one, right? after that i put that debdiff into debian/patches, create the patch rules in debian/rules and i made a debdiff again, which i provide in the bug report [10:11] right? === herzi [~herzi@d011029.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] phone [10:13] oki :) [10:14] back [10:15] DanielN_: no [10:15] you are doing wrong [10:15] i'm not doing it right that [10:15] but \sh gave me some hints [10:15] wait [10:15] you should do renaming [10:15] fix dependcies [10:16] etc.. [10:16] build source (you will get .dsc) [10:16] yep [10:16] then you will have package-version-1.dsc and package-version-1ubuntu1.dsc [10:16] (for example) [10:16] then you do debdiff [10:16] yep [10:16] debdiff old.dsc new.dsc [10:16] clear :) [10:16] that debdiff is patch you send on bugzilla [10:17] you don't put it in debian or anywhere in source [10:17] that's just diff beetwen your and old version [10:17] that's it. [10:17] yeah i know.. but look at \sh's comments here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387 [10:18] you were mentioned on meeting [10:18] yes.. [10:19] DanielN_: noone know what you mentioned with that patching in your debian/rules [10:19] hrmpf [10:19] they tought all your fixes for FTBS are in that patches [10:20] <\sh> moins [10:20] that's why they said you are missing those patches [10:20] \sh: hi [10:20] \sh: i uploaded template, care to check it out? [10:20] ivoks: aaah! no it's all clear.. i have patch stuff in debian/rules with shouldn't be there [10:21] :) [10:21] <\sh> ivoks just now...right now I have to take care about DanielN_ :) [10:21] DanielN_: right :) [10:21] \sh: hehe, let's do it together :) [10:21] <\sh> DanielN_, good morning, missing motu :) [10:21] \sh: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387 [10:21] \sh: i know i was a bit abwesend [10:21] \sh: you confused him :) [10:21] <\sh> ivoks, why? the comments are straight and clear :) [10:22] <\sh> ok...whats confusing? [10:22] \sh: it's clear now [10:22] :) [10:22] \sh: but he tought aqsislibs_c2_patch.diff should be debdiff beetween versions :) [10:22] <\sh> ivoks, oh no :( [10:22] yeah.. just missunderstanded that [10:22] DanielN_: but other remarks are ok [10:22] <\sh> DanielN_, ok...one explanation :) I gave ogra my word to guide you [10:23] \sh: cool [10:23] \sh: when you will have time: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/ubuntu-debian.template.txt [10:23] <\sh> DanielN_, ok...I will explain :) [10:24] <\sh> DanielN_, first of all, you have upstream source patches, they go into debian/patches/ directory [10:24] re [10:24] <\sh> those patches are fixing bugs in upstream source [10:24] <\sh> those patches have to be applied via debian/rules file [10:24] ivoks: I looked at your template, I like it. though, I'm not sure if the term "platform" is propriate for every team [10:25] <\sh> now, when u do a e.g. debuild -S you generate a new package_version.dsc file [10:25] yep [10:25] <\sh> now, comes the debdiff patch, what debian and we need in our bugzilla for the transition [10:25] <\sh> you go to the directory, where the original dsc file and the new dsc file is laying [10:25] right [10:26] <\sh> debdiff orig_package.dsc new_package.dsc [10:26] jau :) [10:27] <\sh> will give you a diff file including debian/* and upstream...but the upstream is normally untouched and you only get the changes between the debian/ dir of the too...so it will show also the "new files" inside the debian/ dir, that means, replaced files, new files, deleted files etc. and after all, the upstream source patch in the debian/patches directory [10:27] if there is one... === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:28] <\sh> hi siretart [10:29] <\sh> Burgundavia, ping [10:30] huhu \sh [10:31] <\sh> DanielN_, when there is no patch for upstream, you should create one by yourself, or if you don't need one, don't create a debian/patches dir [10:32] \sh: that's what i ment :) [10:32] thanks [10:33] siretart: back :) [10:33] siretart: platformX was just sinonim for something that team works on [10:33] <\sh> DanielN_, but u created one :) [10:33] \sh: long time ago ;) [10:33] <\sh> siretart, http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/24-The-Summer-and-PacMan.html read about this guy in the comments ;) [10:34] <\sh> DanielN_, then remove it :) [10:34] <\sh> DanielN_, do it, remove it, send the debdiff, make me happy, let me dance around :) I want to see u as our youngest motu ever :) [10:34] <\sh> am I right? :) [10:36] \sh: and as the first swiss ubuntu maintainer :) [10:36] the age isn't a point that really counts imho [10:37] <\sh> ivoks, what about this as first sentence: We're the Ubuntu MOTU Team and we want to introduce ourselfs. Our members are: X.Y (Position in the team)\n labla [10:38] <\sh> DanielN_, the age is part of it :) it's part of your story of initiation :) if you become a motu, then it's just like the red indian tradition for young fighters to catch an eagles feather from his nest ;) [10:39] <\sh> well, I should change my job and become a writer of poems ;) [10:39] \sh: lol .. you're funny :) [10:39] made my day i think [10:40] sou... fixing aqsis now [10:41] <\sh> siretart, can u do me a favour? [10:42] \sh: oh, ok, no problem === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax6-198.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shawarma [~sh@193.108.190.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh [~shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:44] \sh: I'm quite busy right, now, but. what is it? [10:45] <\sh> can u have a look over kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts when u have time (or ivoks ;)) I need only one last signature and then I can put into the tree...for kubuntu [10:48] \sh, here [10:49] <\sh> Burgundavia, can u give me the wiki page of the intro dev docs? === ice_1963 [~gary@bgp924017bgs.brghtn01.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:50] \sh, hmm, I am not really involved in that [10:50] \sh, tseng has a better idea [10:51] \sh: uuuh, I'm not familar with kde stuff at all, but the debian/ dir looks fine [10:51] <\sh> siretart, thats all i need the rest is only text :) put your signature there ;) === Amaranth [amaranth@ip68-229-189-61.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ice_1963 [~gary@bgp924017bgs.brghtn01.mi.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [10:53] \sh: just on thing for extremly picky mode: your copyright file should state what exactly is licensed under gpl [10:54] \sh: just putting a file COPYING in the source package doesn't suffice, the gpl would have to be correctly applied === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.233.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:55] <\sh> siretart, well, everything is under GPL [10:55] references: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/12/msg00007.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/12/msg00194.html [10:56] but with this remark - signed, siretart :) === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:58] links taken from here: http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/sponsorship_checklist.html [10:58] \sh: hope aqsis is ok now! [10:58] <\sh> siretart, u mean something like this: Copyright: 2005 Stephan Hermann ? [10:58] <\sh> to mention the copyright holder? [10:59] i hate macs [10:59] yes. [11:00] osx sucks [11:00] if reviewing in extremly pedantic mode. otherwise you have my blessing :) [11:00] it's worse than windows [11:00] <\sh> DanielN_, much better dude :) I will grab it and try to compile it on my laptop and when everything is allright, upload in your name [11:00] ivoks: I know ppl around here who swear on osx [11:00] siretart: well, they didn't try to use it normaly then [11:00] \sh: nice [11:00] man, thir implementation of CUPS is... OMG [11:01] their samba connection is... WTF? [11:01] how come all OSes works great, but those OSX never work good in heterogen enviorment [11:01] <\sh> siretart, ok, put the copyright holder (it's me) in the copyright file....the license preamble a can leave just like this... [11:03] \sh: that should do it well [11:04] <\sh> ok...thx :) [11:04] <\sh> DanielN_, u see, even I'm learning ;) [11:05] <\sh> siretart, put your name and your comments on the page ;) [11:06] <\sh> DanielN_, building the package === siretart notices his review tool on the todo list [11:09] \sh: done === JanC [~janc@dD5770437.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:13] woohoo! [11:13] xkb fixed :) [11:16] yep [11:16] nice to type right again :) === sh_warma [~sh@193.108.190.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:22] \sh: nice build ? [11:33] <\sh> DanielN_, it's build just now...was not on my place right now :( [11:34] <\sh> wiki broken? === shawarma [~sh@193.108.190.78] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:37] Internal Server Error === herzi [~herzi@d011029.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:50] going out for lunch .. see ya later [11:51] cya === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0083.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:59] <\sh> DanielN_, did u build it? [12:00] <\sh> g++ -g -O2 -o .libs/aqsis aqsis.o ../render/.libs/libaqsis.so ../libraytrace/.libs/libraytrace.so ../libargparse/.libs/libargparse.so [12:00] <\sh> ../render/.libs/libaqsis.so: undefined reference to `Aqsis::CqPoolable::m_thePool' [12:00] <\sh> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status [12:01] <\sh> DanielN_, check https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387 [12:02] ok, i fixed some stuff in template [12:04] <\sh> yeah..we should provide one team email address and a gpg key for this address, signed by all members of the team === motaboy [~motaboy@host70-39.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === womble [~mpalmer@eth1859.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:10] right [12:21] kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts - Konqueror shortcuts for the Ubuntu wiki and bugzilla [12:21] ... any reason they can't just go into konqueror? [12:22] <\sh> elmo, cause it's ubuntu/kubuntu specific [12:22] <\sh> and has nothing to do with orig upstream [12:23] ... so are most of our patches? [12:24] <\sh> elmo, the shortcuts etc. presented by kde are common to the community...we can ask upstream to have ubuntu shortcuts included in their next release or kde4 [12:24] <\sh> sorry, common for kde... [12:25] <\sh> or riddell comes up with a better idea? [12:25] elmo: i sent you email last night, hope you got it :/ === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC13FA.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex bye [12:35] gnome-art is great app === herzi [~herzi@d011029.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:49] \sh: can you say me, which file is buggy? [12:50] <\sh> DanielN_, no...but search for the missing reference [12:51] aha [12:51] and how? [12:51] <\sh> somewhere is a function which calls this function wich is missing...can be, that the object file is not mentioned in the library creation === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.2.68] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0083.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] <\sh> DanielN_, u r member already, right? [12:56] yep [12:57] <\sh> can u remove yourself from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [12:57] argh [12:57] ooohh right there's a CC meeting in an hour [12:57] i forget that ... [12:57] <\sh> no problem :) I'm looking right now over the new members :) [12:58] hrmpf [12:58] that's a silly work to find that goddamn error [12:58] meeting? agian? :) [12:58] lol === motaboy [~motaboy@host70-39.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] <\sh> motaboy, are u attending today the CC meeting? or r u already approved member? [12:59] <\sh> DanielN_, that's our job ;) [12:59] <\sh> ivoks, community council [01:00] i know [01:00] \sh: i know ;) [01:00] \sh: i'm removed no [01:00] from the agenda [01:02] \sh: maybe we should show template to one or two DDs? [01:02] <\sh> ajmitch and dilinger :) [01:02] right :) [01:05] \sh: do you build it with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot? [01:06] <\sh> DanielN_, i'm using only pbuilder [01:06] \sh: me too, but i've upgraded my lap yesterday to breezy [01:06] <\sh> DanielN_, so every b-d is pulled again and clean [01:07] clean? [01:07] <\sh> DanielN_, me too :) and my pbuilder was always breezy :) [01:07] hm... lots of MB [01:07] \sh: i got another error than you [01:07] <\sh> ivoks, i don't have a bandwidth ticker :) [01:07] lucky you :) [01:08] <\sh> DanielN_, which one? [01:08] \sh: first, unmet build deps and later an error in config.status, which says that fltk library wasn't found [01:08] i have 5GB per month for 12 euros [01:10] <\sh> DanielN_, hmmm... [01:10] fltkc2 [01:10] <\sh> DanielN_, no... [01:10] :) [01:11] ivoks: damn transition :P [01:11] <\sh> ivoks, no...if then you have a b-d pulled in by libfltk-dev [01:11] ok, what package are we talking about? [01:12] aqsis [01:12] so i can check it with you and, maybe help [01:12] uh, big source [01:12] hehe.. 40MB downstream here :) [01:12] mbit [01:13] i have 1gbit/s [01:13] huh? [01:13] OMFG [01:13] surprised? :) [01:13] :) [01:13] yes i am [01:13] it takes 60 seconds to download sagre-cd1.iso :) [01:13] <\sh> 4mbit/s at home, flat and more then 1GB/s here in the company.. [01:13] wtf [01:14] <\sh> coffee and a cigarette [01:14] \sh: should do the same ;) [01:14] DanielN_: you are too young to smoke [01:15] DanielN_: so, where can i find your debdiff? [01:16] ivoks: please.. don't teach my in things like smoking.. there are enough other people who try that again and again ;) [01:16] ivoks: it's in bugzilla, wait a moment [01:17] https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387 [01:17] DanielN_: well, those pepole are right [01:17] DanielN_: you are 16, right? [01:17] DanielN_: look, i smoke now and then, but smoking with 16 is really bad [01:18] you loungs aren't developed [01:18] so, you are doing your self a big damage [01:19] ok, couple of things... debdiff isn't good :) === Nafallo has never even tested cigarettes [01:19] :-) [01:19] Nafallo: :) [01:20] DanielN_: in debian/control, line 5, Build-depends [01:20] \sh: sure they are right.. but i love smoking [01:20] DanielN_: instead of libfltk1.1-dev there sould be libfltk1.1-dev (>= 1.1.6-2ubuntu1) === hunger [~hunger@p54A6603E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hunger [~hunger@p54A6603E.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["...] [01:22] ok, let's try to build this.. [01:22] ok [01:22] wait [01:25] DanielN_: why wait? [01:25] <\sh> a few minutes away..have to do some nagra stuff [01:25] \sh: see you at 14:00 [01:25] uh... lots of Makefiles [01:25] i'm sure there will be problems with building this on amd64 [01:26] warning "Unknown compiler version - please run the configure tests and report the results" [01:26] this doesn't look good :( [01:27] DanielN_: do you know why there must be (>= 1.1.6-2ubuntu1)? === ogra [~ogra@p5089DC92.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === susus [~sz@p5089DC92.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] two ogras :) [01:30] ivoks: no not really.. cause i thought, that if there's no special version in the build deps, the available one would be taken [01:31] mhm [01:31] DanielN_: well, versions 1.1.6-2ubuntu1 and above are compiled with gcc4/g++4 [01:31] aha [01:31] :) [01:31] DanielN_: so your app should depend on same compilers to spot errors [01:34] <\sh> back [01:36] mhm === jamessan|work [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] aqsis is a package for though guys i think ;> [01:36] DanielN_: did you have problems compiling this on i386? [01:36] ivoks: it's still building.. but i got compiler version warnings already [01:36] that's ok [01:36] but it's compiling nicly === thoreauputic_ [~prospero@wolax8-076.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] <\sh> ivoks,this boost stuff i patched to recognize gcc4/g++4 as compiler [01:38] yeah, this should be trivial.. [01:39] \sh: that's the only problem, right? [01:39] cause, i don't see anything else atm [01:39] <\sh> ivoks, the warnings were not the problem [01:39] sure, but it looks good without them :) [01:39] there is one situation... [01:39] <\sh> as I mentioned in the bug: the latest build was failing because of undefined reference :) [01:40] imagebuffer.cpp:1578: warning: passing 'TqFloat' for argument 3 to 'static void Aqsis::CqOcclusionBox::CreateHierarchy(TqInt, TqInt, TqInt, TqInt)' [01:40] float to int [01:40] hm. [01:40] i don't know much about c++, but this isn't good :_) [01:41] <\sh> ivoks, warnings ok ;) u don't know what TqFloat is actually :) [01:41] \sh: i think name should be very inicative :) [01:42] indicative [01:42] <\sh> ivoks, no :) [01:42] <\sh> I don't want to depend on the names...sometimes it's wrong ;) [01:42] ok, this is upstream problem :) [01:43] <\sh> do u get any undefined references in one lib at the end of the build? [01:43] i agree, let's check... [01:43] still building [01:43] <\sh> ah ok [01:43] \sh: still building here [01:43] <\sh> and it's bad that they're delivering their own boost lib [01:44] <\sh> but anyways [01:45] \sh: libslxargs/rcdummy.cpp:typedef float TqFloat; [01:45] libslxargs/rcdummy.cpp:typedef int TqInt; [01:45] float to int [01:45] bad call, upstream, bad call :) [01:46] fscking disabled laptop.. 600mhz isn't ok for compiling stuff [01:46] :/ [01:47] <\sh> ivoks, fix it send upstream ;) [01:48] \sh: maybe i will [01:49] uff [01:50] DanielN_: fix /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf [01:50] maybe it'll be build until breezy is released [01:50] pl. error [01:51] \sh: warning before this error is... guess what :) [01:51] warning: converting to 'int' from 'TqFloat' [01:52] ouch ;> [01:52] <\sh> ivoks, yeah, but this doesn't have to do with the missing reference of this function in the lib [01:52] true... [01:53] <\sh> and that's the reason why it's ftbfs [01:54] \sh: ftbs here too [01:54] i know :) [01:54] <\sh> so, somewhere somehow this objectfile is missing in library creation [01:55] does fedora has aqasis? [01:57] <\sh> let me try something :) [01:57] ok http://aqsis.sourceforge.net/xoops/index.php is useless [02:05] <\sh> I'm trying to patch it...can be there there is a missing .la reference...lemme check === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sivang [~sivang@box79162.elkhouse.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] wow launchpad become slower than usual [02:26] heh === plugwash [plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] works ok now [02:28] when is review day? [02:28] 27th iirc [02:28] yes === squinn [~squinn@68.205.198.0] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:35] tseng: where is that written? [02:35] in the topic [02:35] and i think -devel [02:35] crivvens, so it is [02:36] squinn: over here please :) [02:36] yep yep [02:36] sorry tseng [02:36] thanks. [02:36] the more questions in-meeting the longer it takes [02:36] which isnt a problem for me, but some people in other timezeones have to be up early/late to be there [02:37] and want to be back to bed ;) [02:37] im getting sleepy [02:37] :D [02:37] i've not showered yet hah [02:39] now here's another question [02:39] k [02:39] what would i do if i wanted a package to be upgraded [02:39] if there is a higher, better version, but it's not in ubuntu [my pkg is in main, for example] [02:39] what do i do? [02:40] the package i'm looking at is essential -- it fixed a crucial docteam bug -- and the version with the bugfix isn't even in hoary yet [02:40] er breezy rather [02:42] i know it wouldn't be motu [02:42] because it's not universe [02:42] squinn, what is that? [02:44] gnome-doc-utils [02:44] have you ever done any work in yelp jerome, because a bug in that pkg made font really gigantic and ugly thanks to an endterm flag [02:44] squinn, so talk to the maintainer, nd give him your patch [02:44] we have [02:44] if you're talking about GNOME in general [02:45] yes make a patch [02:45] and give it to seb128 [02:45] squinn, yeah [02:45] squinn, (seb128 is the maintainer) [02:45] seb128 [02:46] give what patch though? [02:46] the patch we gave to gnome [02:46] or just tell him there's a new version [02:46] the fix [02:46] eh whatever [02:46] tell him about the bug then [02:47] okay [02:48] alright, i just found an [easy] bug [02:48] it says mplayer is dependent on xmms..and it shouldn't be. how can i "break" this dependency? [02:50] squinn: actually, the mplayer GUI is dependent on xmms for some odd reason. the non-gui package isn't [02:52] xmms-output plugin [02:52] that's what i was thinking [02:52] xmmplayer [02:52] but what i think the reporter wants to do is install mplayer w/o xmms..and this can't be because of a plugin? === Nafallo hates that stupid plugin :-P === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:57] welcome JRe [02:57] welcome. [02:57] hi! [02:57] congratulations. [02:57] squinn: he's not in yet [02:57] Question: In malone there's a bug regarding mplayer... That's not even in universe! [02:58] shawarma: multiverse though [02:58] congrats [02:58] well he's in now :) [02:58] its in multiverse [02:58] he's in! [02:58] Yes... Who handles that? [02:58] shawarma: it's MOTU's responsibility as well :-) [02:58] Nafallo: Oh! I had no idea! [02:58] MotuTeamMOTM? ;) [02:58] shawarma, i'm responding on that bug now [02:59] thanks ;) ! [03:00] Can you somehow show that you are working on a particular bug? E.g. assign it to yourself? [03:00] shawarma, I saw that on Gentoo bugzilla a lot [03:00] add self to CCs [03:01] Right.. But is there any way to avoid two people from working on the same thing at the same time? [03:03] Self-assign I guess. [03:03] But otherwise no. [03:05] squinn: And by self-assign, you mean just add myself to the CC-list? [03:05] No. Assigning the bug to your email. [03:05] as in you'd be the one who the bug is assigned to. [03:05] But sometimes that wouldn't stop people. [03:06] :-D I just asked 5 minutes ago if it was possible to assign a bug to yourself.. At least that's what I tried to ask. :-) [03:07] How do I do that? [03:07] Yeah, and I said I saw that happen a lot in Gentoo. [03:07] I don't know..you have to have certain privleges I believe. [03:08] Another question: Do you guys all run Breezy on your system? [03:08] I run Hoary. [03:08] I run breezy [03:08] squinn: How do you handle building stuff for Breezy? [03:08] hoary [03:08] Set up a chroot env with debootstrap? [03:09] (+deboostrapchroot to build package) [03:09] shawarma, what do you mean? [03:09] use a pbuilder [03:09] Mez: well done [03:09] Oh. I don't use Breezy -- or build stuff for it? [03:09] ty [03:09] ogra: konversation k3b arn't in universe so they didn't need MOTU review [03:09] schweeb: Right, but it's a lot easier to debug stuff and such if you're running it somehow. [03:10] squinn: All the stuff you do for Universe is for breezy... Or did I misunderstand something? [03:10] Riddell, yes, but there were contributions nobody beside you and Mez knew about... we should have a solution for this... [03:10] Um, I'm not a MOTU [03:10] All that goes into hoary these days are urgent security fixes, right? [03:10] Right. [03:10] I just bug-triage here-and-there. [03:10] ogra: they were discussed on #kubuntu-devel, that's the best place for those packages [03:11] ogra - brezy-changes mailing list [03:11] squinn: And how do you plan on testing your contributions? [03:11] ogra: and I doubt you'd be very interested in those two [03:11] I had one of the konv developers contact me when my changes got pushed through on there [03:11] I'm getting there, shawarmaa. [03:11] extra a [03:11] so they noticed :D [03:11] Riddell, right [03:11] For DocTeam, I do all Hoary stuff, and then in about August or September, I upgrade to Breezy and make all needed changes. [03:12] squinn: Ok... How about the changes to mplayer that you said you were working on? [03:12] squinn: I'm just a little confused. [03:13] The mplayer thing I was working on was all of dependencies. [03:13] Is it dependent to xmms or not? [03:13] That's the question. [03:13] Right now, it is because of xmmplayer. [03:13] squinn, you do doc stuff for hoary ? why that ? [03:13] JRe: You said you used a debootstrapchroot to build run Breezy.. Did you just copy the hoary script in /usr/share/debootstrap and made a breezy one? [03:14] Why doc stuff or why for Hoary? [03:15] shawarma: i follow the wiki page indications [03:15] squinn: The mplayer thing is not just a faulty dependency. Mplayer can fall back to using xmms to play stuff. [03:15] shawarma: s/follow/followed/ [03:15] shawarma, like what..xmms can't play videos? [03:15] JRe: Oh! I didn't see that one. [03:15] without the plugin [03:16] squinn: If you try playing something with mplayer that doesn't work, it tries with xmms. [03:16] squinn: mplayer can play audio as well as video, you know. [03:17] i know that [03:17] alright, got it [03:17] thanks [03:17] and i'm upgrading to breezy now === squinn holds breath [03:18] ogra: do you have other suggestions for MOTU and Kubuntu working better together? [03:19] Riddell, lets talk about it after the meeting.... but have a look at: http://siretart.tauware.de/review-tool/ and http://siretart.tauware.de/review-tool/ER.png [03:19] it could solve this === bddebian [~bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] Howdy folks [03:21] what's the difference between malone/bugzilla? [03:22] ogra: ow it's very nice! [03:25] it's a way better than modifying the wiki page [03:27] yeps [03:27] <\sh> time for a coffee and something to smoke [03:28] im going to bed [03:28] \sh: i don't say anything now ;) [03:28] laterz [03:28] agree [03:28] we wanted to go for request tracker (RT) but siretart's tol looks better tailored [03:28] long meeting [03:28] \sh: craven ;) ;) ? [03:30] squinn: malone is part of launchpad and will replace bugzilla, if it's finnished [03:30] (if i'm right) [03:33] right okay [03:49] <\sh> back [03:49] hi :) [03:49] <\sh> ogra, agreed [03:49] <\sh> JRe, what about craven? [03:49] \sh: (cigaret brand you smoked) [03:50] <\sh> JRe, Turner Tobacco [03:51] https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/ubuntumembers/+members - ah, lol [03:51] now it looks like i'm not even member :) === Treenaks dismembers ivoks [03:52] Doh [03:53] how do I get added to that launchpad page? [03:53] Riddell: Add yourself. I did it yesterday. :-) [03:54] ah hah https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/ubuntumembers/+join [03:54] Riddell, log n and go to https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/ubuntumembers/+join [03:56] <\sh> siretart, can we get in touch for the motu review tool? later this day via IM or query? :) [03:57] does anyone has ubuntu.com address? === ogra raises hand [03:57] it seems to me that my emails are rejected (probably considerd spam) [03:58] ogra: ubuntu.com is just forward, right? [03:58] yep [03:58] but it hs to be set up by elmo... [03:58] i know [03:58] ogra: could I send you an email to check will it go trough? [03:59] sure [03:59] ogra@ubuntu.com [04:00] ok, sent... [04:01] ogra: did you get it? [04:02] ivoks, looks like [04:03] ok, then fiordland.warthogs.hbd.com accepts my email [04:07] nah... === lamont [~lamont@15.238.6.181] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mehrfachstecker [~mehrfachs@p54AF9650.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:15] Does the Ubuntu live CD have ssh/scp on it?? [04:20] bddebian> yes [04:21] GNULinuxer: Thanks [04:21] bddebian: nice to see familiar nicknames around here :-) [04:21] :-) [04:21] Hello sivang [04:22] bddebian: Hello hello, are you caught up on the Ubuntu epidemic as well? ;-) [04:22] sivang: Not yet, but I'm hoping [04:22] <\sh> sivang: did u write an email to me? [04:22] bddebian: well, I think you're in for a nice ride. Stay tuned [04:22] \sh: yes, I responsed to one of your threads. [04:23] <\sh> sivang, ah :) [04:23] sivang: Well just wait for Ubuntu GNU/Hurd.. ;-P [04:24] bddebian: uh-ha! now this is some RAD stuff :-) [04:24] Heh === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0083.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:44] <\sh> grmpf [04:44] <\sh> no it goes... [04:44] <\sh> now [04:44] <\sh> i hope it compiles now === mgalvin [~mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:47] hi all [04:50] Hello mgalvin [04:52] What is the procedure if I fix a bug in malone? Where do I upload patches and such? [04:53] Well, at bug that is filed in malone, obviously. [04:53] <\sh> a link to a website or paste it [04:54] <\sh> right now until it's working correctly [04:55] \sh: Oh, so eventually I'll be able to upload a patch into malone? [04:55] dont paste it [04:55] use pastebin [04:55] <\sh> yepp...when launchpad guys are implementing this feature [04:55] <\sh> pastebin? === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:55] pastebin.com? [04:56] <\sh> paste it into malone ;) [04:56] gar pastebin.ca might work better [04:56] <\sh> come on laptop i want to go home [04:56] \sh: i hate a lot of noise on the page [04:56] oh well [04:58] <\sh> tseng, there should be a possibility to upload patche [04:58] <\sh> s [04:58] of course [04:58] we shouldnt be loosing functionality we have in bugzilla [04:59] <\sh> sh*t i have to stop my build now...have to catch the bloody bus [04:59] <\sh> laters === tim__ [~tim@cpe-66-67-139-238.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:59] hey tim__ :) [04:59] great to see you here [05:00] lol thanks, good to be here [05:00] Boy, I never got that.. ;-) [05:01] guys, tim__ looks like a good candidate for a MOTUEnlightenment team, please help him with his first packages :) [05:01] bddebian, not _YET_ ;) [05:01] bddebian, but its also nice to see _you_ around ;) [05:02] Heh, nice out. ;-P [05:12] hrm, this guide I'm reading is saying that building packages for libraries is a little tricker....maybe I'll start myself out w/ something else today [05:12] :-) [05:15] tim__, easiest is to fix a existing package to get familiar with the internals [05:15] Ok, so I fixed a bug in Malone and created a patch and attached a link to it.. Then what? How do I notify someon who can actually do something about it? [05:15] Just shout it here? [05:15] Don't shout, I have a headache.. ;-) [05:15] :-) Ok then. [05:16] ogra, know of a package that needs some fixin :) === shawarma whispers that he has fixed bug nr. 1089 in Malone. [05:16] look at malone (launchpad.ubuntu.com) [05:16] ogra: Me? [05:16] shawarma, nope, tim__ [05:17] ogra: Oh, ok. I thought there was a "notify someone with upload privs" button somewhere that I hadn't seen. :-) [05:17] shawarma, put it on MOTUToReview in the wiki... with a link to the malone bug for now === mitsuhiko [~mitsuhiko@213.33.95.56] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:20] ogra: Done. Thanks! [05:20] :) thanks for the help === littlepaul [~littlepau@p5084F33D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielN [~daniel@80-218-240-48.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:23] hi [05:25] hi [05:28] Hello DanielN === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.3.172] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:51] <\sh> back [05:52] wb [05:52] wb \sh === ogra applauds \sh for a successfull kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts upload :) [05:55] <\sh> yeah.. [05:55] <\sh> just recognized it...thx elmo riddell and all the others :) [05:56] grrr, i hate these days where you try to build a package, the phone rings, you are 2h on the phone and doing a testbuild you realize your pbuilder is outdated while you phoned.... grrr === ogra updates [05:57] <\sh> hehehe [05:57] :) [05:57] <\sh> just like me...15 minutes for leaving work...starting aqsis build to test (2 hours of patching not included) [05:57] <\sh> and then...have leave for home because of this bloody bus ;) [05:58] <\sh> to [05:59] <\sh> hmm...stupid idea to tell this turkey guy to make the doener extra hot and extra spicy [06:02] \sh, i hope you ordered some ayran too.... [06:02] <\sh> ogra, nope...thats my pity === grover [~grover@216-99-218-29.dsl.aracnet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.3.172] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:09] <\sh> ogra, is network-manager gnome somewhere in the queue? [06:10] \sh, isnt it in main already ? [06:10] <\sh> whats the name? [06:10] network-manager [06:10] <\sh> ahah. [06:13] <\sh> doesn't work: searches my non existent wifi lans ;) [06:13] \sh, it still has issues, but will be the default for reezy [06:13] \sh, ask thom abot it, he's the maintainer === tseng_ [~tseng@tseng2.ath.cx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:14] \sh: tell it not to search then? [06:14] \sh: right click the applet. [06:14] <\sh> i can't stop it anymore [06:14] <\sh> i killall the processes and it's restarting [06:15] \sh: yepp :-) [06:15] <\sh> and it's eating my cpu io === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-135.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:16] \sh: but if you rightclick the applet you can tell it not to search for wlans :-) [06:16] <\sh> yeah...but i want to stop it [06:16] \sh, even better, have a look at your syslog ;) [06:16] depending on your HW that can be fun.... [06:16] <\sh> argl..dhcp request [06:16] i get a message every 10 sec [06:17] \sh: are you fixing aqsis, or not? [06:17] mdz gets 100 messages every sec ;) [06:17] <\sh> DanielN, I just got a bad build again...need to search somewhere else..but if you have a solution :) "her damit" [06:17] <\sh> if i killall 4 processes...it's restarting 2 more [06:18] yay... perpetuum mobile :) [06:18] \sh: there wasn't any time in this afternoon at work to search the bug, but i'll tell if i find it :) [06:18] Jun 21 18:09:14 darkelf NetworkManager: ^I (): Warning: the wireless card (eth1) requires too much time for scans. Its driver needs to be fixed. [06:18] wee! :-) [06:18] <\sh> ok..reboot tut gut [06:18] write a script that kills them and transform the extra processes into energy :) === tseng_ [~tseng@tseng2.ath.cx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0816.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:27] <\sh> grmpf [06:27] <\sh> apt-get remove network-manager [06:28] hehe [06:28] me too [06:29] don't forget bind9 and resolvconf too [06:29] :) [06:29] <\sh> bind9 doesn't matter ;) === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-071-009.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC13FA.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:30] \sh: sorry, doesn't look good this evening :( [06:31] <\sh> siretart, doesn't matter...I don't have much time eather..have to be in the office tomorrow morning at 5 [06:32] <\sh> grmpf [06:32] <\sh> ok..now i understand [06:32] <\sh> CqPoolable::m_thePool [06:32] <\sh> this aqsis needs [06:32] <\sh> but [06:32] <\sh> static CqMemoryPool m_thePool; [06:32] <\sh> this is defined [06:33] <\sh> in CqPoolable === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC13FA.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] <\sh> oh no...CqPoolable is a template [06:34] shit [06:34] i missed the meeting again [06:34] <\sh> you're in === tritium [~tritium@12-208-96-135.client.insightBB.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [06:36] ok [06:39] *boggle* [06:39] i got accepted without even being there? [06:40] Nice [06:41] i'm willing to approve him based on the fact that he's showed up to just about every other CC meeting ever :) [06:41] except his approval meeting? [06:41] hehe [06:43] whoops :-) === thoreauputic_ [~prospero@wolax8-236.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:48] \sh: so you have it now, or not? :) [06:49] Where is the Ubuntu framework stuff if I wanted to try to start an Ubuntu GNU/Hurd distro? [06:49] is there a place, where i can see if im approved as member? [06:50] DanielN: just irc logs, afaik [06:50] Amaranth: ok, then i am :) [06:50] denied.. [06:50] ;-P [06:51] bddebian: have fun.. see ya in, mhm... 30 years maybe? [06:51] :P [06:51] ugh? [06:51] or is hurd commin next year? ;> [06:56] It'll be soon(tm) ;-P [07:07] Amaranth: could you point me please to the irc logs? === astharot [~isager@host169-134.pool8258.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bradb [~bradb@modemcable082.64-130-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === brodmann [~brodmann@ip-052-130.uscarrier.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:21] i'm trying to extract a .run file, but everytime it extracts to the folder, when it's finished, it deletes that tmp folder === lsuactiafner [~noirrac@tpc-ip-nas-1-p253.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-071-009.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:27] lol do ppl know what biltong is? [07:36] <\sh> yes they know [07:36] We do? [07:37] <\sh> bddebian, read my blog :) === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:37] \sh: Link? [07:37] <\sh> linux.blogweb.de [07:39] Hey, where'd you get that picture of my ashtray? :-) [07:42] <\sh> DanielN, ping [07:42] I see no reference to biltong? === Amaranth [amaranth@ip68-229-189-61.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:42] <\sh> daylight robbery [07:42] <\sh> is the title [07:43] I think I must be going blind.. [07:44] <\sh> second page or third page [07:44] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/18-Daylight-Robbery.html [07:46] Ahh, thx [07:49] w000t, my other StinkPad showed up today.. Ubuntu here I come.. ( I hope ) === squinn [~squinn@68.205.198.0] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:51] \sh: pong with 5mins delay (i don't say for what i'm going out ;) ) [07:52] <\sh> DanielN, i'M building it again, to verify my thesis right now...theres something missing [07:52] \sh: as i said, i'd be back in 5mins, but sounds interesting :) [07:58] No one knows where the derivative framework information is?? === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:08] \sh: there now.. something new? [08:09] <\sh> no not now...let me look [08:11] ok === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0816.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:15] <\sh> this static variable is in libaqsistypes but it isn't include in the ld_add macro of Makefile.am for aqsis [08:15] ah [08:16] and since you're a smart guy, you have included it, right? :) [08:16] <\sh> I'm trying to, yes === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:18] \sh: cool.. say if i could help ;> [08:19] <\sh> have to patch a little [08:19] still playing with aqsis? :) [08:19] <\sh> DanielN, ocaml is ready to compile...your second opened bug :) [08:19] <\sh> ivoks, yepp [08:20] i'm backporting sarge's samba to hoary [08:20] i need 3.0.14 :( [08:21] why backporting just for yourself? [08:21] my backports will be available to others :) [08:21] Is it always preferred to build from Debian packages rather than build from upstream? [08:21] when i test them... [08:21] away.. not here [08:21] \sh: ocaml? i've taken care about that? [08:22] \sh: i read some irc logs on a friends blog.. you smoke 20 cigs in a week? wow nice! i'd work on that damn habbit :) [08:23] :( i ment [08:23] <\sh> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11403 [08:24] So have I already alienated myself from this channel too?? :-) [08:24] \sh: ahh... gdome2-xslt.. clear [08:24] bddebian: alienated?? [08:24] <\sh> DanielN, what I'm doing= [08:25] DanielN: Pissed everyone off. :-) 90% of #d-d hates me. :-) [08:25] bddebian: you talked about the release cycles? or about debian/hurd?? :D === DanielN fixes: you have talken [08:26] DanielN: No, I'm just generally annoying :-) [08:26] <\sh> DanielN, which blog? [08:26] bddebian: back to your question: i'm new to that business, but if there's a debian package already, you have to take that! it would be silly to do work twice [08:27] \sh: http://www.active-4.com/blog/?p=24 [08:27] \sh: it's the one of mitsuhiko [08:28] <\sh> ah...but I'm smoking more then 20 a week. [08:28] <\sh> lets say 35-40 per day :( [08:28] LOL [08:28] 2 packages? [08:28] <\sh> one package of tobacco [08:29] <\sh> one package of tobacco and one package of cigarette paper..that means really 50 cigarettes per day [08:29] <\sh> rymthbox is not working :( [08:30] \sh: ah.. you're talking about the money stuff of smoking ;) [08:31] <\sh> DanielN, no I'm talking about smoking 50 cigs per day...== one package of tobacco (since a couple of months i'm smoking only hand made cigarettes) [08:31] <\sh> hand rolled ;) [08:31] DanielN: Because sometimes Debians patches suck? [08:32] Also because sometimes maintainers are lazy and are way behind upstream [08:32] \sh: it's much cheaper [08:32] bddebian: yep.. sometimes that happens [08:33] bddebian ideally you should cooperate with the debian maintainers [08:34] plugwash: Fair enough, but what if they suck? :-) === GNUru [~bg@59.95.1.157] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:35] then you may have to consider other options [08:36] like packaging from scratch again? [08:37] i think it's better to make the debian package suitable and then tell that to the DD [08:37] or maintainer i mean [08:37] OK, I'm not trying to be argumentative, I have just dug through the Old Debian bugs and there are LOTS of them.. :-) === plugwash checks to see if freepascal has been bootstrapped yet [08:39] plugwash: you're working on the freepascal package? [08:39] nah i don't think any ubuntu guys have [08:39] i'm not a ubuntu dev myself [08:40] you could be [08:40] the freepascal source from debian is sitting there but it needs manual bootstrapping because it needs freepascal to build [08:40] plugwash: i have :) [08:41] or had ;) [08:41] DanielN well i still don't see any freepascal binaries sitting in the universe pool [08:42] plugwash: no [08:42] ftbs [08:42] the bootstrapping thing [08:43] freepascal CAN'T be built without an existing freepascal binary to build it with [08:43] because its written in pascal and it uses compiler features that no other pascal compiler offers [08:44] plugwash: yeah.. and that's why i stopped working on it [08:45] i asked lamont to bootstrap it and he said he would be he doesn't seem to have got arround to doing it [08:45] <\sh> hmm....i just fixed a bug which is filed at upstream but not included...i'm good, but this doesn't help [08:47] :) [08:47] nur mut [08:48] argh sorry... i switch between german and english channels === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:50] is there an official ubuntu policy on compilers that compile themselves and if so where is it documented? [08:51] plugwash: no idea.. as i said.. i'm quite new to that business :) [08:51] bddebian: why do they hate you? :) [08:52] ivoks: Some, I don't know. Others I tend to annoy for some reason.. [08:52] heh... === mehrfachstecker [~mehrfachs@p54AF9650.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:55] <\sh> ok filed an upstream bug: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1225058&group_id=25264&atid=383970 [08:55] hi mehrfachstecker [08:56] hi DanielN ;) === shawarma [~sh@3E6B503C.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:59] \sh: arghs.. sf.net is damn slow [09:03] \sh: so the wiki state of aqsis is "waiting for new upstream release" ? [09:06] <\sh> no...waiting for patch :) === mehrfachstecker [~mehrfachs@p54AF9650.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [09:07] \sh: not too pingelig please :)) [09:15] bybye === jinty [~jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [~jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [~corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:34] \sh: what in the hell is that crap you keep posting on your blog [09:34] <\sh> tseng, u mean the pictures? [09:35] yes [09:35] mouse eggs? [09:35] <\sh> views of an sysadmin [09:36] i see.. [09:37] <\sh> watch those pictures with an ironic eye === lesliev [~lesliev@ndn-165-152-217.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:39] hello!! [09:40] I AM the smoking admin!! :-) [09:40] Hello lesliev === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:40] nothing like building packages to make you feel like a newbie! 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[11:18] ie. they seem to have equivalent functionality [11:18] they are rapidly approaching similar functionality [11:18] A friend of mine doesn't like Gnome, but can't say why ;-) [11:18] funcionality is same [11:19] I have never had a prob with either, except for menu editing [11:19] but user interface is nicer in gnome, imo [11:19] I think KDE is better? [11:19] there is no better one :) [11:19] With menu editing [11:19] they are both great [11:19] I personally think that gnome is the way to go, but hey, what do I know? [11:19] :) [11:20] I am just using it because Ubuntu works best in Gnome [11:20] I think it's a bit of a waste that so much effort is going into both separately [11:21] no.. [11:22] do you know how many great projects there are? [11:22] e17, xfce, fvwm, blackbox... [11:22] the freedesktop stuff is trying to bridge that gap [11:23] and that's the best project there is for linux desktop [11:24] I ran e17 for a while, I had a startrek theme that was GREAT [11:24] Just longed for a taskbar because the little pixtures of the desktops were too small [11:24] it needs some polishing and then it will be best interface [11:29] gnome, kde, e, xfce: doesn't matter, all run quake ;-) [11:30] heh [11:30] I am running Tribes 2 mostly. Under Cedega. [11:30] My windows partition is gathering dust ;-) [11:31] i'm waiting xen to support windows [11:32] ok, i will leave only one server on debian [11:33] all other are going to ubuntu [11:40] <\sh> ok..time to sleep... [11:40] <\sh> cu tmororrow [11:40] night [11:40] hm... deutschland plays nice soccer... === \sh [~shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:46] Mez, ping [11:46] ogra, pong [11:47] Mez, could you try to avoid the word Newbie ? (just seeing your mail) [11:47] ogra, if you read it, we're lookign to changing the name :D === chillywilly [~danielb@CPE-65-26-216-107.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:49] didnt know you were on the mailing list ogra :D [11:49] Mez, hey, every MOTU is supposed to read it... [11:50] (some dont do it... but you cant force all people to hear the users voice ;) ) [11:50] hmm, did i scare him ? [11:50] what list? :) === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:50] -devel? [11:51] -users [11:51] hah, I'm supposed to read that? === tseng furthers his poor example [11:51] oh, i'm reading -kernel and -devel [11:51] tseng, sure to know whats going on... [11:52] ogra: how many mails per day is there? [11:52] tseng, alternatively you could lurk in #ubuntu some hours ;) [11:52] ivoks, 50-100 depends..... [11:52] uh [11:52] many [11:52] nah [11:52] i get 1000 spams daily === ogra has forgotten about the days he had less then 300 mails a day [11:53] (no spam) [11:53] ogra: i'm on lot's of lists beside ubuntu :) [11:53] me too [11:53] ogra: i get maybe 5 spams [11:53] 100s [11:53] but 1000 is stoped daily at server [11:53] yay for spamassassin [11:54] tseng: 50% of my spams is stoped by postfix [11:54] 10% by amavis [11:54] yeah i have some rules [11:54] and rest by sa [11:54] in psotfix [11:54] for non RFC stuff [11:54] right :) [11:55] reject_invalid_hostname [11:55] i have a bunch more than that [11:55] reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unauth_pipelining, reject_unauth_destination, reject_maps_rbl [11:56] i have less on sender [11:56] and more on recipient [11:56] hm === tseng adds your [11:56] s [11:56] me too [11:56] no, this are all recipients :) [11:56] er [11:56] smptd_sender_restrictions = [11:56] smtpd_recipient_restrictions = [11:57] i think you are mixing things up [11:57] nope :) [11:57] why would you put sender restrictions for recipient [11:57] smtpd_recipient = reject_invalid_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unauth_pipelining, permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination, reject_maps_rbl, permit [11:57] oh [11:58] i get 500 UBE/UCE daily with this rules [11:59] only on my account [11:59] tseng: http://master.grad.hr/amavis-stats === asw [~asw@mcb1013.mcb.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:00] hi [12:00] hi [12:01] hi ajmitch