[12:04] <lesliev> okey
[12:06] <ogra> meeting :)
[12:08] <lesliev> ok, done. Sorry to interrupt the meeting.
[12:08] <dholbach> don't worry
[12:31] <schweeb> is there a meeting now?
[12:31] <tseng> yes
[12:31] <tseng> you weren't invited schweeb
[12:31] <schweeb> oh, fine then
[12:31] <dholbach> come on
[12:31] <dholbach> where's the ubuntu love?
[12:32] <tseng> i love schweeb!
[12:32] <tseng> we are like brothers
[12:32] <tseng> making fun of each other
[12:32] <dholbach> i see :)
[12:32] <dholbach> UBUNTU LOVE!
[12:32] <Nafallo> lol
[12:39] <lesliev> Gotta sleep, sorry to miss out on all the love && believe I wasn't invited either!
[12:55] <ajf> I created my own repository for testing and such, but when I try to upload one of my deb, tar.gz, dsc, and .changes, It gets pissed and says this:  [dpkg-source output:]  dpkg-source: error: unrecognised file suffix `.tar'
[12:55] <dholbach> how did you create the source package?
[12:56] <ajf> with debuild (it's my own project, so there's no original source file)
[12:56] <dholbach> with   debuild -S (-sa)  or something?
[12:56] <ajf> no arguments, let me try that
[12:57] <dholbach> this should give you the .dsc the .diff.gz (if you have the .orig.tar.gz in place)
[12:58] <ajf> There is no original tarball
[12:59] <dholbach> in most cases you should take the upstream tarball (without debian/ modifications) and call it   <software>_<version>.orig.tar.gz
[12:59] <ajf> Yeah, but that's the thing.. i am the upstream :D
[12:59] <ajf> it's straight out of my SVN
[01:00] <dholbach> then   svn export ...  (i presume there's some cvs counterpart ;-))
[01:00] <tseng> you need to make a release
[01:00] <dholbach> do    ./autogen.sh && make dist
[01:00] <tseng> to be the orig.g
[01:00] <tseng> z
[01:00] <dholbach> then a tarball and call it <software>_<version>.orig.tar.gz
[01:00] <dholbach> after that you can do the debian/ modifications
[01:01] <tseng> my friend got his phpbb hacked
[01:01] <dholbach> ouch
[01:01] <tseng> stupid kid, i locked it
[01:01] <tseng> he lost all his data for now (we have backups
[01:01] <ajf> I'm new to all this, let me try that
[01:02] <ajf> how does it handle packages with '-' in the name
[01:03] <dholbach> withouth problems
[01:03] <dholbach> epiphany-browser for example
[01:03] <dholbach> nautilus-cdburner
[01:03] <dholbach> whatever :)
[01:03] <ajf> excellent
[01:06] <ajf> I keep my debian/ directory in SVN
[01:06] <ajf> is that bad practice?
[01:06] <dholbach> hmmm
[01:06] <dholbach> it will mix up the .diff.gz
[01:06] <dholbach> i keep this stuff separatedly
[01:06] <ajf> it didn't make one that time :)
[01:07] <dholbach> :)
[01:07] <jamessan> keeping the debian/ directory in a VCS isn't a bad idea, as long as it's separate from the actual source
[01:07] <ajf> well here, tell me if this is bad organization: https://anthracite.aca.oakland.edu/websvn/listing.php?repname=Kerberos%20Ticket%20Manager&path=%2Fdebian%2F&rev=0&sc=0
[01:08] <schweeb> haha
[01:08] <schweeb> I was there when that was being coded
[01:08] <schweeb> except I was drinking, they were coding
[01:08] <ajf> hush you
[01:08] <schweeb> that you forgue?
[01:09] <schweeb> haha
[01:09] <schweeb> yep
[01:09] <ajf> tell me why it's broke
[01:09] <ajf> schweeb:
[01:09] <schweeb> I can't hit that site
[01:10] <ajf> @ work?
[01:10] <schweeb> nope
[01:10] <schweeb> it's trying to load
[01:10] <schweeb> but it wont
[01:10] <ajf> the cert is broken, but that's it
[01:10] <schweeb> ah there we go
[01:10] <schweeb> the cert window popped up on another desktop
[01:10] <ajf> gg.
[01:11] <dholbach> ajf: if you manage to build the package, you can upload it somewhere and get it reviewed, if you put it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages
[01:11] <ajf> when I try to submit it to my dak, it gives that error when moving it from unchecked
[01:11] <ajf> dholbach: the app is barely working :)
[01:11] <ajf> i'd rather not get people comlaining to me quite yet
[01:11] <dholbach> ah ok :)
[01:12] <dholbach> if you copy the stuff to a new directory
[01:12] <schweeb> hah, flav got his own src tree
[01:12] <schweeb> lol
[01:12] <dholbach> does   dpkg-source -x bla.dsc   work?
[01:12] <ajf> schweeb: not really
[01:13] <ajf> dholbach: nope :( dpkg-source: error: unrecognised file suffix `.tar'
[01:13] <dholbach> do you have a .tar file?
[01:13] <dholbach> Depends: libkrb53, libglade2-0 (>= 2.5.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0) doesnt belong in the "source:"-stanza
[01:13] <dholbach> you can drop the debian/docs-file
[01:14] <ajf> ah yes
[01:14] <ajf> what does this do: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
[01:15] <dholbach> it expands the -dev packages you specified in the build-depends to library package names
[01:15] <ajf> ahh
[01:15] <dholbach> (those that are actually needed during the build)
[01:16] <ajf> someone on the intarweb said it's a bug in dpkg 1.13.9, but *shrug* it's only 1 post
[01:16] <ajf> http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-amd64@lists.debian.org/msg09651.html
[01:16] <dholbach> could you upload those 2-3 files somewhere?
[01:16] <dholbach> the .tar.gz the .dsc
[01:17] <ajf> .changes?
[01:17] <dholbach> i just want to have a look, don't need the .changes
[01:17] <dholbach> hi mbeattie :)
[01:18] <ajf> http://spica.admnet.oakland.edu/~forgue/debian
[01:18] <ajf> I just put everything it generated there
[01:20] <ajf> dpkg-source: warning: source directory `./kerberos-ticket-manager' is not <sourcepackage>-<upstreamversion> `kerberos-ticket-manager-0.01'
[01:20] <ajf> ^^ that's interesting
[01:20] <dholbach> yeah :)
[01:20] <ajf> if I name it kerberos-ticket-manager-0.1, it says the same thing
[01:23] <dholbach> ok, if you do it the way i said (using .orig.tar.gz and moving out the debian/ stuff out of it), you're fine
[01:25] <ajf> thought I tried that,maybe i screwed it up
[01:27] <ajf> same error
[01:28] <ajf> I still get that warning when building it about the source directory is not <source>-<upstreamversion>
[01:28] <dholbach> hm
[01:29] <ajf> ah hang on
[01:29] <ajf> I think I got it
[01:29] <ajf> @_@
[01:30] <ajf> the version in the changelog was 0.01 while the directory was 0.1
[01:30] <ajf> yay for typos
[01:30] <dholbach> :)
[01:31] <ajf> and dak accepted it
[01:31] <dholbach> woohoo! :)
[01:31] <ajf> sweet. Thanks for your patience :D
[01:31] <dholbach> anytime
[01:36] <dholbach> bye everyone
[01:38] <ajmitch> 
[02:58] <tseng> hm
[03:14] <|QuaD-> anyone wanna package something?
[05:57] <panickedthumb> hey, on behalf of jdong and the backports team, can the MOTU import the latest sid gnubiff package into breezy universe?
[05:58] <panickedthumb> there has been one major feature release and one major bugfix release since the version there now
[06:00] <ajmitch> the source package is there, but FTBFS
[06:00] <ajmitch> broken depends
[06:03] <schweeb> my laptop has gotten the best of me
[06:03] <schweeb> took me like a day to figure out why sound wasn't working... I thought it was an IRQ problem... it's cause the mono channel was muted @_@
[06:06] <ajmitch> ouch
[06:09] <schweeb> now that I have sound working, I just have to wait for mjg59 to get suspend working on SATA laptops
[06:18] <ajf> IRQ conflicts don't happen anymore
[06:19] <schweeb> says you 4g00
[06:19] <schweeb> I have a Dell 8200 that says otherwise
[06:19] <ajf> how old is that?
[06:20] <schweeb> 3 yrs
[06:20] <ajf> chipset?
[06:20] <ajf> eh, dell hardware was crap
[06:20] <ajf> (is?)
[06:21] <schweeb> is
[06:21] <schweeb> dunno which chipset anymore
[06:21] <schweeb> it's all ICH stuff
[06:21] <schweeb> ICH5?
[06:23] <schweeb> both the parport driver the the snd_intel8x0 driver wanted to use IRQ7 (iirc)
[06:24] <ajf> that's normal
[06:24] <schweeb> well, parport hogged it completely
[06:25] <ajf> gg hardware
[06:25] <ajf> :D
[06:42] <schweeb> tseng: wow, I love your mono notes... "Just don't install this"
[09:01] <siretart> morning
[09:01] <siretart> Burgundavia: ping
[09:01] <Burgundavia> here
[09:02] <siretart> Burgundavia: I dont know If you have seen that yet, I restructed a large part of the MOTUGames page
[09:02] <Burgundavia> nope
[09:02] <siretart> Burgundavia: This was with the intention to make helping us easier
[09:02] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:02] <siretart> Burgundavia: if you have time, could you have a look at it?
[09:03] <ivoks> morning
[09:03] <Burgundavia> am looking right now
[09:05] <Burgundavia> looks good
[09:05] <siretart> Burgundavia: Do you know some english equivalent to http://ubuntuusers.de/wiki/spiele:apt
[09:05] <Burgundavia> no, but jdodson and I had a plan for fridge
[09:06] <Burgundavia> basically a game of ($timeperiod)
[09:06] <Burgundavia> to showcase cool games in Ubuntu
[09:06] <siretart> I really like the website http://ubuntuusers.de/wiki/spiele - but it's german, though
[09:06] <siretart> Burgundavia: ah, is jdodson on irc?
[09:07] <siretart> Burgundavia: in MOTUNEWGames, he mentions that he has packaged 2 games. I send him a notice
[09:07] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:08] <Burgundavia> I have a broken package of openbubbles that I need to cleanup and submit
[09:08] <siretart> sound great! :)
[09:09] <Burgundavia> not going to happen in the next little while, as I am current in job search mode
[09:09] <siretart> ah. I see.
[09:09] <siretart> good luck! this clearly has priority
[09:09] <Burgundavia> yes, as money runs out soon
[09:09] <Burgundavia> I have been living off savings and doing ubuntu work, but that has a finite limit
[09:19] <Burgundavia> hmm, going to flood p.u.c
[09:21] <siretart> Burgundavia: do you have some .desktop files not integrated into ubuntu yet and not listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseGamesWithoutDesktopFile?
[09:21] <Burgundavia> I can write them, if you want to do the programming side
[09:22] <Burgundavia> I can probably even convince my brain and inkscape to produce an icon
[09:22] <siretart> programming side?
[09:22] <siretart> it just a matter of preparing a new upload..
[09:22] <Burgundavia> making the package install the desktop file
[09:22] <Burgundavia> well, apparently, I am very dumb
[09:23] <siretart> nono, you are not ;)
[09:23] <Burgundavia> I could not figure out how to get the source package to install it in the correct place
[09:23] <Burgundavia> I am sure that I am missing something very simple
[09:24] <siretart> Burgundavia: I will think about writing an tutorial describing this
[09:24] <Burgundavia> yes, that would be great
[09:28] <ivoks> ok, template done :) upload :)
[09:30] <ivoks> siretart: willing to check it out? :)
[09:34] <siretart> ivoks: yes, but I'm already terribly late, need to get to university now
[09:34] <siretart> ivoks: give me the url and I'll look and comment later
[09:34] <ivoks> ok
[09:34] <ivoks> http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/ubuntu-debian.template.txt
[09:35] <Burgundavia> looks good
[09:35] <ivoks> thanks
[09:37] <Burgundavia> for platform, do you also mean the people like MOTUGames?
[09:38] <Burgundavia> gah, advogato is such a crude tool
[09:38] <ivoks> Burgundavia: all MOTU teams
[09:38] <Burgundavia> ok
[09:38] <ivoks> Burgundavia: this is proposal for all motu teams, as decided last tnight
[09:38] <ivoks> night
[09:38] <Burgundavia> the current template looks quite low level platform specific
[09:39] <ivoks> this is just idea how teams should aproach debian teams
[09:39] <Burgundavia> yes
[09:39] <ivoks> explaining them long term objectives
[09:39] <ivoks> like, creating ubuntu as state of the art gamin platform
[09:40] <ivoks> short term, like adding game xyz with this changes or something like that..
[09:40] <Burgundavia> one of my personal goals is for every game to have a .desktop file, if appropriate, for breezy
[09:40] <Burgundavia> I don't know if I can do it
[09:40] <ivoks> that's a short term
[09:41] <ivoks> Burgundavia: with people around you, you can do it
[09:41] <ivoks> if you are alone, it will be tough
[09:41] <ivoks> hard
[09:41] <ivoks> :)
[09:41] <Burgundavia> shouldn't be that difficlut
[09:41] <Burgundavia> first get the .desktop files in
[09:41] <Burgundavia> then start working on icons
[09:41] <ivoks> right
[09:41] <ivoks> but don't forget
[09:41] <ivoks> debian prefere menu over /usr/share/applications/
[09:42] <Burgundavia> yes, but that is garbage
[09:42] <ivoks> so that would be something you will have to decide...
[09:42] <Burgundavia> the freedesktop spec is the future
[09:42] <ivoks> Burgundavia: i agree, convince debian into it
[09:42] <ivoks> :)
[09:42] <Burgundavia> packages should have both until debian jumps to the freedesktop spec
[09:42] <Burgundavia> I am surprised that nobody has suggested it for etch
[09:43] <ivoks> Burgundavia: debian invented menu cause there was no solution for menu system
[09:43] <Burgundavia> maybe a case of not-made-here
[09:44] <Burgundavia> however, that basically means that almost every application is going to be -ubuntu something for breezy, if we go whole hog on the .desktop files, which we should
[09:44] <ivoks> that's right
[09:45] <ivoks> that would be your diff
[09:45] <Burgundavia> which would truly suck
[09:45] <ivoks> and debian, when they will convert to freedesktop, they will take your patches
[09:45] <Burgundavia> I hope that once we start, we can get good traction upstream
[10:07] <DanielN_> ivoks: ping
[10:08] <ivoks> yes
[10:09] <DanielN_> i think i'm in unclearness about the cxx trans still
[10:09] <DanielN_> just the steps again:
[10:11] <DanielN_> i do my patching work (e.g renaming) then i create a debdiff between the actual version and the new one, right? after that i put that debdiff into debian/patches, create the patch rules in debian/rules and i made a debdiff again, which i provide in the bug report
[10:11] <DanielN_> right?
[10:12] <ivoks> phone
[10:13] <DanielN_> oki :)
[10:14] <ivoks> back
[10:15] <ivoks> DanielN_: no
[10:15] <ivoks> you are doing wrong
[10:15] <DanielN_> i'm not doing it right that
[10:15] <DanielN_> but \sh gave me some hints
[10:15] <DanielN_> wait
[10:15] <ivoks> you should do renaming
[10:15] <ivoks> fix dependcies
[10:16] <ivoks> etc..
[10:16] <ivoks> build source (you will get .dsc)
[10:16] <DanielN_> yep
[10:16] <ivoks> then you will have package-version-1.dsc and package-version-1ubuntu1.dsc
[10:16] <ivoks> (for example)
[10:16] <ivoks> then you do debdiff
[10:16] <DanielN_> yep
[10:16] <ivoks> debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[10:16] <DanielN_> clear :)
[10:16] <ivoks> that debdiff is patch you send on bugzilla
[10:17] <ivoks> you don't put it in debian or anywhere in source
[10:17] <ivoks> that's just diff beetwen your and old version
[10:17] <ivoks> that's it.
[10:17] <DanielN_> yeah i know.. but look at \sh's comments here: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387
[10:18] <ivoks> you were mentioned on meeting
[10:18] <ivoks> yes..
[10:19] <ivoks> DanielN_: noone know what you mentioned with that patching in your debian/rules
[10:19] <DanielN_> hrmpf
[10:19] <ivoks> they tought all your fixes for FTBS are in that patches
[10:20] <\sh> moins
[10:20] <ivoks> that's why they said you are missing those patches
[10:20] <ivoks> \sh: hi
[10:20] <ivoks> \sh: i uploaded template, care to check it out?
[10:20] <DanielN_> ivoks: aaah! no it's all clear.. i have patch stuff in debian/rules with shouldn't be there
[10:21] <DanielN_> :)
[10:21] <\sh> ivoks just now...right now I have to take care about DanielN_  :)
[10:21] <ivoks> DanielN_: right :)
[10:21] <ivoks> \sh: hehe, let's do it together :)
[10:21] <\sh> DanielN_, good morning, missing motu :)
[10:21] <ivoks> \sh: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387
[10:21] <DanielN_> \sh: i know i was a bit abwesend
[10:21] <ivoks> \sh: you confused him :)
[10:21] <\sh> ivoks, why? the comments are straight and clear :)
[10:22] <\sh> ok...whats confusing?
[10:22] <DanielN_> \sh: it's clear now
[10:22] <DanielN_> :)
[10:22] <ivoks> \sh: but he tought aqsislibs_c2_patch.diff should be debdiff beetween versions :)
[10:22] <\sh> ivoks, oh no :(
[10:22] <DanielN_> yeah.. just missunderstanded that
[10:22] <ivoks> DanielN_: but other remarks are ok
[10:22] <\sh> DanielN_, ok...one explanation :) I gave ogra my word to guide you
[10:23] <DanielN_> \sh: cool
[10:23] <ivoks> \sh: when you will have time: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/ubuntu/ubuntu-debian.template.txt
[10:23] <\sh> DanielN_, ok...I will explain :)
[10:24] <\sh> DanielN_, first of all, you have upstream source patches, they go into debian/patches/ directory
[10:24] <siretart> re
[10:24] <\sh> those patches are fixing  bugs in upstream source
[10:24] <\sh> those patches have to be applied via debian/rules file
[10:24] <siretart> ivoks: I looked at your template, I like it. though, I'm not sure if the term "platform" is propriate for every team
[10:25] <\sh> now, when u do a e.g. debuild -S you generate a new package_version.dsc file
[10:25] <DanielN_> yep
[10:25] <\sh> now, comes the debdiff patch, what debian and we need in our bugzilla for the transition
[10:25] <\sh> you go to the directory, where the original dsc file and the new dsc file is laying
[10:25] <DanielN_> right
[10:26] <\sh> debdiff orig_package.dsc new_package.dsc
[10:26] <DanielN_> jau :)
[10:27] <\sh> will give you a diff file including debian/* and upstream...but the upstream is normally untouched and you only get the changes between the debian/ dir of the too...so it will show also the "new files" inside the debian/ dir, that means, replaced files, new files, deleted files etc. and after all, the upstream source patch in the debian/patches directory
[10:27] <DanielN_> if there is one...
[10:28] <\sh> hi siretart
[10:29] <\sh> Burgundavia, ping
[10:30] <siretart> huhu \sh
[10:31] <\sh> DanielN_, when there is no patch for upstream, you should create one  by yourself, or if you don't need one, don't create a debian/patches dir
[10:32] <DanielN_> \sh: that's what i ment :)
[10:32] <DanielN_> thanks
[10:33] <ivoks> siretart: back :)
[10:33] <ivoks> siretart: platformX was just sinonim for something that team works on
[10:33] <\sh> DanielN_, but u created one :)
[10:33] <DanielN_> \sh: long time ago ;)
[10:33] <\sh> siretart, http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/24-The-Summer-and-PacMan.html read about this guy in the comments ;)
[10:34] <\sh> DanielN_, then remove it :)
[10:34] <\sh> DanielN_, do it, remove it, send the debdiff, make me happy, let me dance around :) I want to see u as our youngest motu ever :)
[10:34] <\sh> am I right? :)
[10:36] <DanielN_> \sh: and as the first swiss ubuntu maintainer :)
[10:36] <DanielN_> the age isn't a point that really counts imho
[10:37] <\sh> ivoks, what about this as first sentence: We're the Ubuntu MOTU<insert project here> Team and we want to introduce ourselfs. Our members are: X.Y <x.y.email address> (Position in the team)\n labla
[10:38] <\sh> DanielN_, the age is part of it :) it's part of your story of initiation :) if you become a motu, then it's just like the red indian tradition for young fighters to catch an eagles feather from his nest ;)
[10:39] <\sh> well, I should change my job and become a writer of poems ;)
[10:39] <DanielN_> \sh: lol .. you're funny :)
[10:39] <DanielN_> made my day i think
[10:40] <DanielN_> sou... fixing aqsis now
[10:41] <\sh> siretart, can u do me a favour?
[10:42] <ivoks> \sh: oh, ok, no problem
[10:44] <siretart> \sh: I'm quite busy right, now, but. what is it?
[10:45] <\sh> can u have a look over kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts when u have time (or ivoks ;)) I need only one last signature and then I can put into the tree...for kubuntu
[10:48] <Burgundavia> \sh, here
[10:49] <\sh> Burgundavia, can u give me the wiki page of the intro dev docs?
[10:50] <Burgundavia> \sh, hmm, I am not really involved in that
[10:50] <Burgundavia> \sh, tseng has a better idea
[10:51] <siretart> \sh: uuuh, I'm not familar with kde stuff at all, but the debian/ dir looks fine
[10:51] <\sh> siretart, thats all i need the rest is only text :) put your signature there ;)
[10:53] <siretart> \sh: just on thing for extremly picky mode: your copyright file should state what exactly is licensed under gpl
[10:54] <siretart> \sh: just putting a file COPYING in the source package doesn't suffice, the gpl would have to be correctly applied
[10:55] <\sh> siretart, well, everything is under GPL
[10:55] <siretart> references: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/12/msg00007.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/12/msg00194.html
[10:56] <siretart> but with this remark - signed, siretart :)
[10:58] <siretart> links taken from here: http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/sponsorship_checklist.html
[10:58] <DanielN_> \sh: hope aqsis is ok now!
[10:58] <\sh> siretart, u mean something like this: Copyright: 2005 Stephan Hermann ?
[10:58] <\sh> to mention the copyright holder?
[10:59] <ivoks> i hate macs
[10:59] <siretart> yes.
[11:00] <ivoks> osx sucks
[11:00] <siretart> if reviewing in extremly pedantic mode. otherwise you have my blessing :)
[11:00] <ivoks> it's worse than windows
[11:00] <\sh> DanielN_, much better dude :) I will grab it and try to compile it on my laptop and when everything is allright, upload in your name
[11:00] <siretart> ivoks: I know ppl around here who swear on osx
[11:00] <ivoks> siretart: well, they didn't try to use it normaly then
[11:00] <DanielN_> \sh: nice
[11:00] <ivoks> man, thir implementation of CUPS is... OMG
[11:01] <ivoks> their samba connection is... WTF?
[11:01] <ivoks> how come all OSes works great, but those OSX never work good in heterogen enviorment
[11:01] <\sh> siretart, ok, put the copyright holder (it's me) in the copyright file....the license preamble a can leave just like this...
[11:03] <siretart> \sh: that should do it well
[11:04] <\sh> ok...thx :)
[11:04] <\sh> DanielN_, u see, even I'm learning ;)
[11:05] <\sh> siretart, put your name and your comments on the page ;)
[11:06] <\sh> DanielN_, building the package
[11:09] <siretart> \sh: done
[11:13] <JanC> woohoo!
[11:13] <JanC> xkb fixed  :)
[11:16] <DanielN_> yep
[11:16] <DanielN_> nice to type right again :)
[11:22] <DanielN_> \sh: nice build ?
[11:33] <\sh> DanielN_, it's build just now...was not on my place right now :(
[11:34] <\sh> wiki broken?
[11:37] <siretart> Internal Server Error
[11:50] <DanielN_> going out for lunch .. see ya later
[11:51] <terrex> cya
[11:59] <\sh> DanielN_, did u build it?
[12:00] <\sh> g++ -g -O2 -o .libs/aqsis aqsis.o  ../render/.libs/libaqsis.so ../libraytrace/.libs/libraytrace.so ../libargparse/.libs/libargparse.so
[12:00] <\sh> ../render/.libs/libaqsis.so: undefined reference to `Aqsis::CqPoolable<Aqsis::CqLath, 512l>::m_thePool'
[12:00] <\sh> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[12:01] <\sh> DanielN_, check https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387
[12:02] <ivoks> ok, i fixed some stuff in template
[12:04] <\sh> yeah..we should provide one team email address and a gpg key for this address, signed by all members of the team
[12:10] <ivoks> right
[12:21] <elmo>  kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts - Konqueror shortcuts for the Ubuntu wiki and bugzilla
[12:21] <elmo> ... any reason they can't just go into konqueror?
[12:22] <\sh> elmo, cause it's ubuntu/kubuntu specific
[12:22] <\sh> and has nothing to do with orig upstream
[12:23] <elmo> ... so are most of our patches?
[12:24] <\sh> elmo, the shortcuts etc. presented by kde are common to the community...we can ask upstream to have ubuntu shortcuts included in their next release or kde4
[12:24] <\sh> sorry, common for kde...
[12:25] <\sh> or riddell comes up with a better idea?
[12:25] <ivoks> elmo: i sent you email last night, hope you got it :/
[12:35] <ivoks> gnome-art is great app
[12:49] <DanielN_> \sh: can you say me, which file is buggy?
[12:50] <\sh> DanielN_, no...but search for the missing reference
[12:51] <DanielN_> aha
[12:51] <DanielN_> and how?
[12:51] <\sh> somewhere is a function which calls this function wich is missing...can be, that the object file is not mentioned in the library creation
[12:56] <\sh> DanielN_, u r member already, right?
[12:56] <DanielN_> yep
[12:57] <\sh> can u remove yourself from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[12:57] <DanielN_> argh
[12:57] <jsgotangco> ooohh right there's a CC meeting in an hour
[12:57] <DanielN_> i forget that ...
[12:57] <\sh> no problem :) I'm looking right now over the new members :)
[12:58] <DanielN_> hrmpf
[12:58] <DanielN_> that's a silly work to find that goddamn error
[12:58] <ivoks> meeting? agian? :)
[12:58] <ivoks> lol
[12:59] <\sh> motaboy, are u attending today the CC meeting? or r u already approved member?
[12:59] <\sh> DanielN_, that's our job ;)
[12:59] <\sh> ivoks, community council
[01:00] <ivoks> i know
[01:00] <DanielN_> \sh: i know ;)
[01:00] <DanielN_> \sh: i'm removed no
[01:00] <DanielN_> from the agenda
[01:02] <ivoks> \sh: maybe we should show template to one or two DDs?
[01:02] <\sh> ajmitch and dilinger :)
[01:02] <ivoks> right :)
[01:05] <DanielN_> \sh: do you build it with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot?
[01:06] <\sh> DanielN_, i'm using only pbuilder
[01:06] <DanielN_> \sh: me too, but i've upgraded my lap yesterday to breezy
[01:06] <\sh> DanielN_, so every b-d is pulled again and clean
[01:07] <ivoks> clean?
[01:07] <\sh> DanielN_, me too :) and my pbuilder was always breezy :)
[01:07] <ivoks> hm... lots of MB
[01:07] <DanielN_> \sh: i got another error than you
[01:07] <\sh> ivoks, i don't have a bandwidth ticker :)
[01:07] <ivoks> lucky you :)
[01:08] <\sh> DanielN_, which one?
[01:08] <DanielN_> \sh: first, unmet build deps and later an error in config.status, which says that fltk library wasn't found
[01:08] <ivoks> i have 5GB per month for 12 euros
[01:10] <\sh> DanielN_, hmmm...
[01:10] <ivoks> fltkc2
[01:10] <\sh> DanielN_, no...
[01:10] <ivoks> :)
[01:11] <DanielN_> ivoks: damn transition :P
[01:11] <\sh> ivoks, no...if then you have a b-d pulled in by libfltk-dev
[01:11] <ivoks> ok, what package are we talking about?
[01:12] <DanielN_> aqsis
[01:12] <ivoks> so i can check it with you and, maybe help
[01:12] <ivoks> uh, big source
[01:12] <DanielN_> hehe.. 40MB downstream here :)
[01:12] <DanielN_> mbit
[01:13] <ivoks> i have 1gbit/s
[01:13] <DanielN_> huh?
[01:13] <DanielN_> OMFG
[01:13] <ivoks> surprised? :)
[01:13] <DanielN_> :)
[01:13] <DanielN_> yes i am
[01:13] <ivoks> it takes 60 seconds to download sagre-cd1.iso :)
[01:13] <\sh> 4mbit/s at home, flat and more then 1GB/s here in the company..
[01:13] <jsgotangco> wtf
[01:14] <\sh> coffee and a cigarette
[01:14] <DanielN_> \sh: should do the same ;)
[01:14] <ivoks> DanielN_: you are too young to smoke
[01:15] <ivoks> DanielN_: so, where can i find your debdiff?
[01:16] <DanielN_> ivoks: please.. don't teach my in things like smoking.. there are enough other people who try that again and again ;)
[01:16] <DanielN_> ivoks: it's in bugzilla, wait a moment
[01:17] <DanielN_> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11387
[01:17] <ivoks> DanielN_: well, those pepole are right
[01:17] <ivoks> DanielN_: you are 16, right?
[01:17] <ivoks> DanielN_: look, i smoke now and then, but smoking with 16 is really bad
[01:18] <ivoks> you loungs aren't developed
[01:18] <ivoks> so, you are doing your self a big damage
[01:19] <ivoks> ok, couple of things... debdiff isn't good :)
[01:19] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:19] <ivoks> Nafallo: :)
[01:20] <ivoks> DanielN_: in debian/control, line 5, Build-depends
[01:20] <DanielN_> \sh: sure they are right.. but i love smoking
[01:20] <ivoks> DanielN_: instead of libfltk1.1-dev there sould be libfltk1.1-dev (>= 1.1.6-2ubuntu1)
[01:22] <ivoks> ok, let's try to build this..
[01:22] <DanielN_> ok
[01:22] <DanielN_> wait
[01:25] <ivoks> DanielN_: why wait?
[01:25] <\sh> a few minutes away..have to do some nagra stuff
[01:25] <ivoks> \sh: see you at 14:00
[01:25] <ivoks> uh... lots of Makefiles
[01:25] <ivoks> i'm sure there will be problems with building this on amd64
[01:26] <ivoks> warning "Unknown compiler version - please run the configure tests and report the results"
[01:26] <ivoks> this doesn't look good :(
[01:27] <ivoks> DanielN_: do you know why there must be (>= 1.1.6-2ubuntu1)?
[01:29] <ivoks> two ogras :)
[01:30] <DanielN_> ivoks: no not really.. cause i thought, that if there's no special version in the build deps, the available one would be taken
[01:31] <DanielN_> mhm
[01:31] <ivoks> DanielN_: well, versions 1.1.6-2ubuntu1 and above are compiled with gcc4/g++4
[01:31] <DanielN_> aha
[01:31] <DanielN_> :)
[01:31] <ivoks> DanielN_: so your app should depend on same compilers to spot errors
[01:34] <\sh> back
[01:36] <DanielN_> mhm
[01:36] <DanielN_> aqsis is a package for though guys i think ;>
[01:36] <ivoks> DanielN_: did you have problems compiling this on i386?
[01:36] <DanielN_> ivoks: it's still building.. but i got compiler version warnings already
[01:36] <ivoks> that's ok
[01:36] <ivoks> but it's compiling nicly
[01:38] <\sh> ivoks,this boost stuff i patched to recognize gcc4/g++4 as compiler
[01:38] <ivoks> yeah, this should be trivial..
[01:39] <ivoks> \sh: that's the only problem, right?
[01:39] <ivoks> cause, i don't see anything else atm
[01:39] <\sh> ivoks, the warnings were not the problem
[01:39] <ivoks> sure, but it looks good without them :)
[01:39] <ivoks> there is one situation...
[01:39] <\sh> as I mentioned in the bug: the latest build was failing because of undefined reference :)
[01:40] <ivoks> imagebuffer.cpp:1578: warning: passing 'TqFloat' for argument 3 to 'static void Aqsis::CqOcclusionBox::CreateHierarchy(TqInt, TqInt, TqInt, TqInt)'
[01:40] <ivoks> float to int
[01:40] <ivoks> hm.
[01:40] <ivoks> i don't know much about c++, but this isn't good :_)
[01:41] <\sh> ivoks, warnings ok ;) u don't know what TqFloat is actually :)
[01:41] <ivoks> \sh: i think name should be very inicative :)
[01:42] <ivoks> indicative
[01:42] <\sh> ivoks, no :)
[01:42] <\sh> I don't want to depend on the names...sometimes it's wrong ;)
[01:42] <ivoks> ok, this is upstream problem :)
[01:43] <\sh> do u get any undefined references in one lib at the end of the build?
[01:43] <ivoks> i agree, let's check...
[01:43] <ivoks> still building
[01:43] <\sh> ah ok
[01:43] <DanielN_> \sh: still building here
[01:43] <\sh> and it's bad that they're delivering their own boost lib
[01:44] <\sh> but anyways
[01:45] <ivoks> \sh: libslxargs/rcdummy.cpp:typedef float TqFloat;
[01:45] <ivoks> libslxargs/rcdummy.cpp:typedef  int TqInt;
[01:45] <ivoks> float to int
[01:45] <ivoks> bad call, upstream, bad call :)
[01:46] <DanielN_> fscking disabled laptop.. 600mhz isn't ok for compiling stuff
[01:46] <DanielN_> :/
[01:47] <\sh> ivoks, fix it send upstream ;)
[01:48] <ivoks> \sh: maybe i will
[01:49] <DanielN_> uff
[01:50] <ivoks> DanielN_: fix /etc/laptop-mode/laptop-mode.conf
[01:50] <DanielN_> maybe it'll be build until breezy is released
[01:50] <ivoks> pl. error
[01:51] <ivoks> \sh: warning before this error is... guess what :)
[01:51] <ivoks>  warning: converting to 'int' from 'TqFloat'
[01:52] <DanielN_> ouch ;>
[01:52] <\sh> ivoks, yeah, but this doesn't have to do with the missing reference of this function in the lib
[01:52] <ivoks> true...
[01:53] <\sh> and that's the reason why it's ftbfs
[01:54] <DanielN_> \sh: ftbs here too
[01:54] <ivoks> i know :)
[01:54] <\sh> so, somewhere somehow this objectfile is missing in library creation
[01:55] <ivoks> does fedora has aqasis?
[01:57] <\sh> let me try something :)
[01:57] <ivoks> ok http://aqsis.sourceforge.net/xoops/index.php is useless
[02:05] <\sh> I'm trying to patch it...can be there there is a missing .la reference...lemme check
[02:24] <jsgotangco> wow launchpad become slower than usual
[02:26] <ivoks> heh
[02:27] <ivoks> works ok now
[02:28] <Riddell> when is review day?
[02:28] <tseng> 27th iirc
[02:28] <tseng> yes
[02:35] <Riddell> tseng: where is that written?
[02:35] <tseng> in the topic
[02:35] <tseng> and i think -devel
[02:35] <Riddell> crivvens, so it is
[02:36] <tseng> squinn: over here please :)
[02:36] <squinn> yep yep
[02:36] <squinn> sorry tseng
[02:36] <tseng> thanks.
[02:36] <tseng> the more questions in-meeting the longer it takes
[02:36] <tseng> which isnt a problem for me, but some people in other timezeones have to be up early/late to be there
[02:37] <tseng> and want to be back to bed ;)
[02:37] <jsgotangco> im getting sleepy
[02:37] <jsgotangco> :D
[02:37] <squinn> i've not showered yet hah
[02:39] <squinn> now here's another question
[02:39] <tseng> k
[02:39] <squinn> what would i do if i wanted a package to be upgraded
[02:39] <squinn> if there is a higher, better version, but it's not in ubuntu [my pkg is in main, for example] 
[02:39] <squinn> what do i do?
[02:40] <squinn> the package i'm looking at is essential -- it fixed a crucial docteam bug -- and the version with the bugfix isn't even in hoary yet
[02:40] <squinn> er breezy rather
[02:42] <squinn> i know it wouldn't be motu
[02:42] <squinn> because it's not universe
[02:42] <jsgotangco> squinn, what is that?
[02:44] <squinn> gnome-doc-utils
[02:44] <squinn> have you ever done any work in yelp jerome, because a bug in that pkg made font really gigantic and ugly thanks to an endterm flag
[02:44] <ogra> squinn, so talk to the maintainer, nd give him your patch
[02:44] <squinn> we have
[02:44] <squinn> if you're talking about GNOME in general
[02:45] <tseng> yes make a patch
[02:45] <tseng> and give it to seb128
[02:45] <jsgotangco> squinn, yeah
[02:45] <ogra> squinn, (seb128 is the maintainer)
[02:45] <jsgotangco> seb128
[02:46] <squinn> give what patch though?
[02:46] <squinn> the patch we gave to gnome
[02:46] <squinn> or just tell him there's a new version
[02:46] <tseng> the fix
[02:46] <tseng> eh whatever
[02:46] <tseng> tell him about the bug then
[02:47] <squinn> okay
[02:48] <squinn> alright, i just found an [easy]  bug
[02:48] <squinn> it says mplayer is dependent on xmms..and it shouldn't be. how can i "break" this dependency?
[02:50] <jamessan|work> squinn: actually, the mplayer GUI is dependent on xmms for some odd reason.  the non-gui package isn't
[02:52] <Nafallo> xmms-output plugin
[02:52] <squinn> that's what i was thinking
[02:52] <squinn> xmmplayer
[02:52] <squinn> but what i think the reporter wants to do is install mplayer w/o xmms..and this can't be because of a plugin?
[02:57] <ivoks> welcome JRe
[02:57] <squinn> welcome.
[02:57] <JRe> hi!
[02:57] <squinn> congratulations.
[02:57] <Riddell> squinn: he's not in yet
[02:57] <shawarma> Question: In malone there's a bug regarding mplayer... That's not even in universe!
[02:58] <Nafallo> shawarma: multiverse though
[02:58] <ivoks> congrats
[02:58] <jsgotangco> well he's in now :)
[02:58] <Lathiat> its in multiverse
[02:58] <Riddell> he's in!
[02:58] <shawarma> Yes... Who handles that?
[02:58] <Nafallo> shawarma: it's MOTU's responsibility as well :-)
[02:58] <shawarma> Nafallo: Oh! I had no idea!
[02:58] <Lathiat> MotuTeamMOTM? ;)
[02:58] <squinn> shawarma, i'm responding on that bug now
[02:59] <JRe> thanks ;) !
[03:00] <shawarma> Can you somehow show that you are working on a particular bug? E.g. assign it to yourself?
[03:00] <squinn> shawarma, I saw that on Gentoo bugzilla a lot
[03:00] <squinn> add self to CCs
[03:01] <shawarma> Right.. But is there any way to avoid two people from working on the same thing at the same time?
[03:03] <squinn> Self-assign I guess.
[03:03] <squinn> But otherwise no.
[03:05] <shawarma> squinn: And by self-assign, you mean just add myself to the CC-list?
[03:05] <squinn> No. Assigning the bug to your email.
[03:05] <squinn> as in you'd be the one who the bug is assigned to.
[03:05] <squinn> But sometimes that wouldn't stop people.
[03:06] <shawarma> :-D I just asked 5 minutes ago if it was possible to assign a bug to yourself.. At least that's what I tried to ask. :-)
[03:07] <shawarma> How do I do that?
[03:07] <squinn> Yeah, and I said I saw that happen a lot in Gentoo.
[03:07] <squinn> I don't know..you have to have certain privleges I believe.
[03:08] <shawarma> Another question: Do you guys all run Breezy on your system?
[03:08] <squinn> I run Hoary.
[03:08] <Treenaks> I run breezy
[03:08] <shawarma> squinn: How do you handle building stuff for Breezy?
[03:08] <JRe> hoary
[03:08] <shawarma> Set up a chroot env with debootstrap?
[03:09] <JRe> (+deboostrapchroot to build package)
[03:09] <squinn> shawarma, what do you mean?
[03:09] <schweeb> use a pbuilder
[03:09] <Riddell> Mez: well done
[03:09] <squinn> Oh. I don't use Breezy -- or build stuff for it?
[03:09] <Mez> ty
[03:09] <Riddell> ogra: konversation k3b arn't in universe so they didn't need MOTU review
[03:09] <shawarma> schweeb: Right, but it's a lot easier to debug stuff and such if you're running it somehow.
[03:10] <shawarma> squinn: All the stuff you do for Universe is for breezy... Or did I misunderstand something?
[03:10] <ogra> Riddell, yes, but there were contributions nobody beside you and Mez knew about... we should have a solution for this...
[03:10] <squinn> Um, I'm not a MOTU
[03:10] <shawarma> All that goes into hoary these days are urgent security fixes, right?
[03:10] <squinn> Right.
[03:10] <squinn> I just bug-triage here-and-there.
[03:10] <Riddell> ogra: they were discussed on #kubuntu-devel, that's the best place for those packages
[03:11] <Mez> ogra - brezy-changes mailing list
[03:11] <shawarma> squinn: And how do you plan on testing your contributions?
[03:11] <Riddell> ogra: and I doubt you'd be very interested in those two
[03:11] <Mez> I had one of the konv developers contact me when my changes got pushed through on there
[03:11] <squinn> I'm getting there, shawarmaa.
[03:11] <squinn> extra a
[03:11] <Mez> so they noticed :D
[03:11] <ogra> Riddell, right
[03:11] <squinn> For DocTeam, I do all Hoary stuff, and then in about August or September, I upgrade to Breezy and make all needed changes.
[03:12] <shawarma> squinn: Ok... How about the changes to mplayer that you said you were working on?
[03:12] <shawarma> squinn: I'm just a little confused.
[03:13] <squinn> The mplayer thing I was working on was all of dependencies.
[03:13] <squinn> Is it dependent to xmms or not?
[03:13] <squinn> That's the question.
[03:13] <squinn> Right now, it is because of xmmplayer.
[03:13] <ogra> squinn, you do doc stuff for hoary ? why that ?
[03:13] <shawarma> JRe: You said you used a debootstrapchroot to build run Breezy.. Did you just copy the hoary script in /usr/share/debootstrap and made a breezy one?
[03:14] <squinn> Why doc stuff or why for Hoary?
[03:15] <JRe> shawarma: i follow the wiki page indications
[03:15] <shawarma> squinn: The mplayer thing is not just a faulty dependency. Mplayer can fall back to using xmms to play stuff.
[03:15] <JRe> shawarma: s/follow/followed/
[03:15] <squinn> shawarma, like what..xmms can't play videos?
[03:15] <shawarma> JRe: Oh! I didn't see that one.
[03:15] <squinn> without the plugin
[03:16] <shawarma> squinn: If you try playing something with mplayer that doesn't work, it tries with xmms.
[03:16] <shawarma> squinn: mplayer can play audio as well as video, you know.
[03:17] <squinn> i know that
[03:17] <squinn> alright, got it
[03:17] <squinn> thanks
[03:17] <squinn> and i'm upgrading to breezy now
[03:18] <Riddell> ogra: do you have other suggestions for MOTU and Kubuntu working better together?
[03:19] <ogra> Riddell, lets talk about it after the meeting.... but have a look at: http://siretart.tauware.de/review-tool/ and http://siretart.tauware.de/review-tool/ER.png
[03:19] <ogra> it could solve this
[03:21] <bddebian> Howdy folks
[03:21] <squinn> what's the difference between malone/bugzilla?
[03:22] <JRe> ogra: ow it's very nice!
[03:25] <JRe> it's a way better than modifying the wiki page
[03:27] <ogra> yeps
[03:27] <\sh> time for a coffee and something to smoke
[03:28] <jsgotangco> im going to bed
[03:28] <DanielN_> \sh: i don't say anything now ;)
[03:28] <jsgotangco> laterz
[03:28] <ivoks> agree
[03:28] <ogra> we wanted to go for request tracker (RT) but siretart's tol looks better tailored
[03:28] <ivoks> long meeting
[03:28] <JRe> \sh: craven ;) ;) ?
[03:30] <DanielN_> squinn: malone is part of launchpad and will replace bugzilla, if it's finnished
[03:30] <DanielN_> (if i'm right)
[03:33] <squinn> right okay
[03:49] <\sh> back
[03:49] <ivoks> hi :)
[03:49] <\sh> ogra, agreed
[03:49] <\sh> JRe, what about craven?
[03:49] <JRe> \sh: (cigaret brand you smoked)
[03:50] <\sh> JRe, Turner Tobacco
[03:51] <ivoks> https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/ubuntumembers/+members - ah, lol
[03:51] <ivoks> now it looks like i'm not even member :)
[03:52] <bddebian> Doh
[03:53] <Riddell> how do I get added to that launchpad page?
[03:53] <bddebian> Riddell: Add yourself.  I did it yesterday. :-)
[03:54] <Riddell> ah hah https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/ubuntumembers/+join
[03:54] <ogra> Riddell, log n and go to https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/people/ubuntumembers/+join
[03:56] <\sh> siretart, can we get in touch for the motu review tool? later this day via IM or query? :)
[03:57] <ivoks> does anyone has ubuntu.com address?
[03:57] <ivoks> it seems to me that my emails are rejected (probably considerd spam)
[03:58] <ivoks> ogra: ubuntu.com is just forward, right?
[03:58] <ogra> yep
[03:58] <ogra> but it hs to be set up by elmo...
[03:58] <ivoks> i know
[03:58] <ivoks> ogra: could I send you an email to check will it go trough?
[03:59] <ogra> sure
[03:59] <ogra> ogra@ubuntu.com
[04:00] <ivoks> ok, sent...
[04:01] <ivoks> ogra: did you get it?
[04:02] <ogra> ivoks, looks like
[04:03] <ivoks> ok, then fiordland.warthogs.hbd.com accepts my email
[04:07] <ivoks> nah...
[04:15] <bddebian> Does the Ubuntu live CD have ssh/scp on it??
[04:20] <GNULinuxer> bddebian> yes
[04:21] <bddebian> GNULinuxer: Thanks
[04:21] <sivang> bddebian: nice to see familiar nicknames around here :-)
[04:21] <bddebian> :-)
[04:21] <bddebian> Hello sivang
[04:22] <sivang> bddebian: Hello hello, are you caught up on the Ubuntu epidemic as well? ;-)
[04:22] <bddebian> sivang: Not yet, but I'm hoping
[04:22] <\sh> sivang: did u write an email to me?
[04:22] <sivang> bddebian: well, I think you're in for a nice ride. Stay tuned
[04:22] <sivang> \sh: yes, I responsed to one of your threads.
[04:23] <\sh> sivang, ah :)
[04:23] <bddebian> sivang: Well just wait for Ubuntu GNU/Hurd.. ;-P
[04:24] <sivang> bddebian: uh-ha! now this is some RAD stuff :-)
[04:24] <bddebian> Heh
[04:44] <\sh> grmpf
[04:44] <\sh> no it goes...
[04:44] <\sh> now
[04:44] <\sh> i hope it compiles now
[04:47] <mgalvin> hi all
[04:50] <bddebian> Hello mgalvin
[04:52] <shawarma> What is the procedure if I fix a bug in malone? Where do I upload patches and such?
[04:53] <shawarma> Well, at bug that is filed in malone, obviously.
[04:53] <\sh> a link to a website  or paste it
[04:54] <\sh> right now until it's working correctly
[04:55] <shawarma> \sh: Oh, so eventually I'll be able to upload a patch into malone?
[04:55] <tseng> dont paste it
[04:55] <tseng> use pastebin
[04:55] <\sh> yepp...when launchpad guys are implementing this feature
[04:55] <\sh> pastebin?
[04:55] <tseng> pastebin.com?
[04:56] <\sh> paste it into malone ;)
[04:56] <tseng> gar pastebin.ca might work better
[04:56] <\sh> come on laptop i want to go home
[04:56] <tseng> \sh:  i hate a lot of noise on the page
[04:56] <tseng> oh well
[04:58] <\sh> tseng, there should be a possibility to upload patche
[04:58] <\sh> s
[04:58] <tseng> of course
[04:58] <tseng> we shouldnt be loosing functionality we have in bugzilla
[04:59] <\sh> sh*t i have to stop my build now...have to catch the bloody bus
[04:59] <\sh> laters
[04:59] <ogra> hey tim__ :)
[04:59] <ogra> great to see you here
[05:00] <tim__> lol thanks, good to be here
[05:00] <bddebian> Boy, I never got that.. ;-)
[05:01] <ogra> guys, tim__ looks like a good candidate for a MOTUEnlightenment team, please help him with his first packages :)
[05:01] <ogra> bddebian, not _YET_ ;)
[05:01] <ogra> bddebian, but its also nice to see _you_ around ;)
[05:02] <bddebian> Heh, nice out. ;-P
[05:12] <tim__> hrm, this guide I'm reading is saying that building packages for libraries is a little tricker....maybe I'll start myself out w/ something else today
[05:12] <bddebian> :-)
[05:15] <ogra> tim__, easiest is to fix a existing package to get familiar with the internals
[05:15] <shawarma> Ok, so I fixed a bug in Malone and created a patch and attached a link to it.. Then what? How do I notify someon who can actually do something about it?
[05:15] <shawarma> Just shout it here?
[05:15] <bddebian> Don't shout, I have a headache.. ;-)
[05:15] <shawarma> :-) Ok then.
[05:16] <tim__> ogra, know of a package that needs some fixin :)
[05:16] <ogra> look at malone (launchpad.ubuntu.com)
[05:16] <shawarma> ogra: Me?
[05:16] <ogra> shawarma, nope, tim__
[05:17] <shawarma> ogra: Oh, ok. I thought there was a "notify someone with upload privs" button somewhere that I hadn't seen. :-)
[05:17] <ogra> shawarma, put it on MOTUToReview in the wiki... with a link to the malone bug for now
[05:20] <shawarma> ogra: Done. Thanks!
[05:20] <ogra> :) thanks for the help
[05:23] <DanielN> hi
[05:25] <mitsuhiko> hi
[05:28] <bddebian> Hello DanielN
[05:51] <\sh> back
[05:52] <mitsuhiko> wb
[05:52] <bddebian> wb \sh
[05:55] <\sh> yeah..
[05:55] <\sh> just recognized it...thx elmo riddell and all the others :)
[05:56] <ogra> grrr, i hate these days where you try to build a package, the phone rings, you are 2h on the phone and doing a testbuild you realize your pbuilder is outdated while you phoned.... grrr
[05:57] <\sh> hehehe
[05:57] <ogra> :)
[05:57] <\sh> just like me...15 minutes for leaving work...starting aqsis build to test (2 hours of patching not included)
[05:57] <\sh> and then...have leave for home because of this bloody bus ;)
[05:58] <\sh> to
[05:59] <\sh> hmm...stupid idea to tell this turkey guy to make the doener extra hot and extra spicy
[06:02] <ogra> \sh, i hope you ordered some ayran too....
[06:02] <\sh> ogra, nope...thats my pity
[06:09] <\sh> ogra, is network-manager gnome somewhere in the queue?
[06:10] <ogra> \sh, isnt it in main already ?
[06:10] <\sh> whats the name?
[06:10] <ogra> network-manager
[06:10] <\sh> ahah.
[06:13] <\sh> doesn't work: searches my non existent wifi lans ;)
[06:13] <ogra> \sh, it still has issues, but will be the default for reezy
[06:13] <ogra> \sh, ask thom abot it, he's the maintainer
[06:14] <Nafallo> \sh: tell it not to search then?
[06:14] <Nafallo> \sh: right click the applet.
[06:14] <\sh> i can't stop it anymore
[06:14] <\sh> i killall the processes and it's restarting
[06:15] <Nafallo> \sh: yepp :-)
[06:15] <\sh> and it's eating my cpu io
[06:16] <Nafallo> \sh: but if you rightclick the applet you can tell it not to search for wlans :-)
[06:16] <\sh> yeah...but i want to stop it
[06:16] <ogra> \sh, even better, have a look at your syslog ;)
[06:16] <ogra> depending on your HW that can be fun....
[06:16] <\sh> argl..dhcp request
[06:16] <ogra> i get a message every 10 sec
[06:17] <DanielN> \sh: are you fixing aqsis, or not?
[06:17] <ogra> mdz gets 100 messages every sec ;)
[06:17] <\sh> DanielN, I just got a bad build again...need to search somewhere else..but if you have a solution :) "her damit"
[06:17] <\sh> if i killall 4 processes...it's restarting 2 more
[06:18] <ogra> yay... perpetuum mobile :)
[06:18] <DanielN> \sh: there wasn't any time in this afternoon at work to search the bug, but i'll tell if i find it :)
[06:18] <Nafallo> Jun 21 18:09:14 darkelf NetworkManager: <WARNING>^I  (): Warning: the wireless card (eth1) requires too much time for scans.  Its driver needs to be fixed.
[06:18] <Nafallo> wee! :-)
[06:18] <\sh> ok..reboot tut gut
[06:18] <ogra> write a script that kills them and transform the extra processes into energy :)
[06:27] <\sh> grmpf
[06:27] <\sh> apt-get remove network-manager
[06:28] <ivoks> hehe
[06:28] <ivoks> me too
[06:29] <ivoks> don't forget bind9 and resolvconf too
[06:29] <ivoks> :)
[06:29] <\sh> bind9 doesn't matter ;)
[06:30] <siretart> \sh: sorry, doesn't look good this evening :(
[06:31] <\sh> siretart, doesn't matter...I don't have much time eather..have to be in the office tomorrow morning at 5
[06:32] <\sh> grmpf
[06:32] <\sh> ok..now i understand
[06:32] <\sh> CqPoolable<Aqsis::CqLath, 512l>::m_thePool
[06:32] <\sh> this aqsis needs
[06:32] <\sh> but
[06:32] <\sh>  static      CqMemoryPool<T, S>      m_thePool;
[06:32] <\sh> this is defined
[06:33] <\sh> in CqPoolable
[06:33] <\sh> oh no...CqPoolable is a template
[06:34] <Amaranth> shit
[06:34] <Amaranth> i missed the meeting again
[06:34] <\sh> you're in
[06:36] <siretart> ok
[06:39] <Amaranth> *boggle*
[06:39] <Amaranth> i got accepted without even being there?
[06:40] <bddebian> Nice
 i'm willing to approve him based on the fact that he's showed up to just about every other CC meeting ever :)
 except his approval meeting?
[06:41] <Amaranth> hehe
[06:43] <bddebian> whoops :-)
[06:48] <DanielN> \sh: so you have it now, or not? :)
[06:49] <bddebian> Where is the Ubuntu framework stuff if I wanted to try to start an Ubuntu GNU/Hurd distro?
[06:49] <DanielN> is there a place, where i can see if im approved as member?
[06:50] <Amaranth> DanielN: just irc logs, afaik
[06:50] <DanielN> Amaranth: ok, then i am :)
[06:50] <bddebian> denied..
[06:50] <bddebian> ;-P
[06:51] <DanielN> bddebian: have fun.. see ya in, mhm... 30 years maybe?
[06:51] <DanielN> :P
[06:51] <bddebian> ugh?
[06:51] <DanielN> or is hurd commin next year? ;>
[06:56] <bddebian> It'll be soon(tm) ;-P
[07:07] <DanielN> Amaranth: could you point me please to the irc logs?
[07:21] <brodmann> i'm trying to extract a .run file, but everytime it extracts to the folder, when it's finished, it deletes that tmp folder
[07:27] <lsuactiafner> lol do ppl know what biltong is?
[07:36] <\sh> yes they know
[07:36] <bddebian> We do?
[07:37] <\sh> bddebian, read my blog :)
[07:37] <bddebian> \sh: Link?
[07:37] <\sh> linux.blogweb.de
[07:39] <bddebian> Hey, where'd you get that picture of my ashtray? :-)
[07:42] <\sh> DanielN, ping
[07:42] <bddebian> I see no reference to biltong?
[07:42] <\sh> daylight robbery
[07:42] <\sh> is the title
[07:43] <bddebian> I think I must be going blind..
[07:44] <\sh> second page or third page
[07:44] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/18-Daylight-Robbery.html
[07:46] <bddebian> Ahh, thx
[07:49] <bddebian> w000t, my other StinkPad showed up today.. Ubuntu here I come.. ( I hope )
[07:51] <DanielN> \sh: pong with 5mins delay (i don't say for what i'm going out ;) )
[07:52] <\sh> DanielN, i'M building it again, to verify my thesis right now...theres something missing
[07:52] <DanielN> \sh: as i said, i'd be back in 5mins, but sounds interesting :)
[07:58] <bddebian> No one knows where the derivative framework information is??
[08:08] <DanielN> \sh: there now.. something new?
[08:09] <\sh> no not now...let me look
[08:11] <DanielN> ok
[08:15] <\sh> this static variable is in libaqsistypes but it isn't include in the ld_add macro of Makefile.am for aqsis
[08:15] <DanielN> ah
[08:16] <DanielN> and since you're a smart guy, you have included it, right? :)
[08:16] <\sh> I'm trying to, yes
[08:18] <DanielN> \sh: cool.. say if i could help ;>
[08:19] <\sh> have to patch a little
[08:19] <ivoks> still playing with aqsis? :)
[08:19] <\sh> DanielN, ocaml is ready to compile...your second opened bug :)
[08:19] <\sh> ivoks, yepp
[08:20] <ivoks> i'm backporting sarge's samba to hoary
[08:20] <ivoks> i need 3.0.14 :(
[08:21] <DanielN> why backporting just for yourself?
[08:21] <ivoks> my backports will be available to others :)
[08:21] <bddebian> Is it always preferred to build from Debian packages rather than build from upstream?
[08:21] <ivoks> when i test them...
[08:21] <ivoks> away.. not here
[08:21] <DanielN> \sh: ocaml? i've taken care about that?
[08:22] <DanielN> \sh: i read some irc logs on a friends blog.. you smoke 20 cigs in a week? wow nice! i'd work on that damn habbit :)
[08:23] <DanielN> :( i ment
[08:23] <\sh> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11403
[08:24] <bddebian> So have I already alienated myself from this channel too?? :-)
[08:24] <DanielN> \sh: ahh... gdome2-xslt.. clear
[08:24] <DanielN> bddebian: alienated??
[08:24] <\sh> DanielN, what I'm doing=
[08:25] <bddebian> DanielN: Pissed everyone off. :-)  90% of #d-d hates me. :-)
[08:25] <DanielN> bddebian: you talked about the release cycles? or about debian/hurd?? :D
[08:26] <bddebian> DanielN: No, I'm just generally annoying :-)
[08:26] <\sh> DanielN, which blog?
[08:26] <DanielN> bddebian: back to your question: i'm new to that business, but if there's a debian package already, you have to take that! it would be silly to do work twice
[08:27] <DanielN> \sh: http://www.active-4.com/blog/?p=24
[08:27] <DanielN> \sh: it's the one of mitsuhiko
[08:28] <\sh> ah...but I'm smoking more then 20 a week.
[08:28] <\sh> lets say 35-40 per day :(
[08:28] <DanielN> LOL
[08:28] <DanielN> 2 packages?
[08:28] <\sh> one package of tobacco
[08:29] <\sh> one package of tobacco and one package of cigarette paper..that means really 50 cigarettes per day
[08:29] <\sh> rymthbox is not working :(
[08:30] <DanielN> \sh: ah.. you're talking about the money stuff of smoking ;)
[08:31] <\sh> DanielN, no I'm talking about smoking 50 cigs per day...== one package of tobacco (since a couple of months i'm smoking only hand made cigarettes)
[08:31] <\sh> hand rolled ;)
[08:31] <bddebian> DanielN: Because sometimes Debians patches suck?
[08:32] <bddebian> Also because sometimes maintainers are lazy and are way behind upstream
[08:32] <DanielN> \sh: it's much cheaper
[08:32] <DanielN> bddebian: yep.. sometimes that happens
[08:33] <plugwash> bddebian ideally you should cooperate with the debian maintainers
[08:34] <bddebian> plugwash: Fair enough, but what if they suck? :-)
[08:35] <plugwash> then you may have to consider other options
[08:36] <DanielN> like packaging from scratch again?
[08:37] <DanielN> i think it's better to make the debian package suitable and then tell that to the DD
[08:37] <DanielN> or maintainer i mean
[08:37] <bddebian> OK, I'm not trying to be argumentative, I have just dug through the Old Debian bugs and there are LOTS of them.. :-)
[08:39] <DanielN> plugwash: you're working on the freepascal package?
[08:39] <plugwash> nah i don't think any ubuntu guys have
[08:39] <plugwash> i'm not a ubuntu dev myself
[08:40] <tseng> you could be
[08:40] <plugwash> the freepascal source from debian is sitting there but it needs manual bootstrapping because it needs freepascal to build
[08:40] <DanielN> plugwash: i have :)
[08:41] <DanielN> or had ;)
[08:41] <plugwash> DanielN well i still don't see any freepascal binaries sitting in the universe pool
[08:42] <DanielN> plugwash: no
[08:42] <DanielN> ftbs
[08:42] <DanielN> the bootstrapping thing
[08:43] <plugwash> freepascal CAN'T be built without an existing freepascal binary to build it with
[08:43] <plugwash> because its written in pascal and it uses compiler features that no other pascal compiler offers
[08:44] <DanielN> plugwash: yeah.. and that's why i stopped working on it
[08:45] <plugwash> i asked lamont to bootstrap it and he said he would be he doesn't seem to have got arround to doing it
[08:45] <\sh> hmm....i just fixed a bug which is filed at upstream but not included...i'm good, but this doesn't help
[08:47] <DanielN> :)
[08:47] <DanielN> nur mut
[08:48] <DanielN> argh sorry... i switch between german and english channels
[08:50] <plugwash> is there an official ubuntu policy on compilers that compile themselves and if so where is it documented?
[08:51] <DanielN> plugwash: no idea.. as i said.. i'm quite new to that business :)
[08:51] <ivoks> bddebian: why do they hate you? :)
[08:52] <bddebian> ivoks: Some, I don't know.  Others I tend to annoy for some reason..
[08:52] <ivoks> heh...
[08:55] <\sh> ok filed an upstream bug: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1225058&group_id=25264&atid=383970
[08:55] <DanielN> hi mehrfachstecker
[08:56] <mehrfachstecker> hi DanielN ;)
[08:59] <DanielN> \sh: arghs.. sf.net is damn slow
[09:03] <DanielN> \sh: so the wiki state of aqsis is "waiting for new upstream release" ?
[09:06] <\sh> no...waiting for patch :)
[09:07] <DanielN> \sh: not too pingelig please :))
[09:15] <DanielN> bybye
[09:34] <tseng> \sh: what in the hell is that crap you keep posting on your blog
[09:34] <\sh> tseng, u mean the pictures?
[09:35] <tseng> yes
[09:35] <tseng> mouse eggs?
[09:35] <\sh> views of an sysadmin
[09:36] <tseng> i see..
[09:37] <\sh> watch those pictures with an ironic eye
[09:39] <lesliev> hello!!
[09:40] <bddebian> I AM the smoking admin!! :-)
[09:40] <bddebian> Hello lesliev
[09:40] <lesliev> nothing like building packages to make you feel like a newbie!
[09:42] <bddebian> :-)
[11:04] <ivoks> wow! this is great
[11:04] <ivoks> koffice 1.4
[11:04] <ivoks> and we have ubuntu packages on kde.org
[11:06] <lesliev> nice!
[11:17] <ivoks> \sh: i prefere gnome, it's UI is much nicer and simpler than KDE's
[11:17] <lesliev> Is there really a functional difference between KDE and Gnome?
[11:18] <lesliev> ie. they seem to have equivalent functionality
[11:18] <Burgundavia> they are rapidly approaching similar functionality
[11:18] <lesliev> A friend of mine doesn't like Gnome, but can't say why ;-)
[11:18] <ivoks> funcionality is same
[11:19] <lesliev> I have never had a prob with either, except for menu editing
[11:19] <ivoks> but user interface is nicer in gnome, imo
[11:19] <lesliev> I think KDE is better?
[11:19] <ivoks> there is no better one :)
[11:19] <lesliev> With menu editing
[11:19] <ivoks> they are both great
[11:19] <Burgundavia> I personally think that gnome is the way to go, but hey, what do I know?
[11:19] <ivoks> :)
[11:20] <lesliev> I am just using it because Ubuntu works best in Gnome
[11:20] <lesliev> I think it's a bit of a waste that so much effort is going into both separately
[11:21] <ivoks> no..
[11:22] <ivoks> do you know how many great projects there are?
[11:22] <ivoks> e17, xfce, fvwm, blackbox...
[11:22] <Burgundavia> the freedesktop stuff is trying to bridge that gap
[11:23] <ivoks> and that's the best project there is for linux desktop
[11:24] <lesliev> I ran e17 for a while, I had a startrek theme that was GREAT
[11:24] <lesliev> Just longed for a taskbar because the little pixtures of the desktops were too small
[11:24] <ivoks> it needs some polishing and then it will be best interface
[11:29] <mitsuhiko> gnome, kde, e, xfce: doesn't matter, all run quake ;-)
[11:30] <lesliev> heh
[11:30] <lesliev> I am running Tribes 2 mostly. Under Cedega.
[11:30] <lesliev> My windows partition is gathering dust ;-)
[11:31] <ivoks> i'm waiting xen to support windows
[11:32] <ivoks> ok, i will leave only one server on debian
[11:33] <ivoks> all other are going to ubuntu
[11:40] <\sh> ok..time to sleep...
[11:40] <\sh> cu tmororrow
[11:40] <ivoks> night
[11:40] <ivoks> hm... deutschland plays nice soccer...
[11:46] <ogra> Mez, ping
[11:46] <Mez> ogra, pong
[11:47] <ogra> Mez, could you try to avoid the word Newbie ? (just seeing your mail)
[11:47] <Mez> ogra, if you read it, we're lookign to changing the name :D
[11:49] <Mez> didnt know you were on the mailing list ogra :D
[11:49] <ogra> Mez, hey, every MOTU is supposed to read it...
[11:50] <ogra> (some dont do it... but you cant force all people to hear the users voice ;) )
[11:50] <ogra> hmm, did i scare him ?
[11:50] <ivoks> what list? :)
[11:50] <ivoks> -devel?
[11:51] <ogra> -users
[11:51] <tseng> hah, I'm supposed to read that?
[11:51] <ivoks> oh, i'm reading -kernel and -devel
[11:51] <ogra> tseng, sure to know whats going on...
[11:52] <ivoks> ogra: how many mails per day is there?
[11:52] <ogra> tseng, alternatively you could lurk in #ubuntu some hours ;)
[11:52] <ogra> ivoks, 50-100 depends.....
[11:52] <ivoks> uh
[11:52] <ivoks> many
[11:52] <ogra> nah
[11:52] <ivoks> i get 1000 spams daily
[11:53] <ogra> (no spam)
[11:53] <ivoks> ogra: i'm on lot's of lists beside ubuntu :)
[11:53] <ogra> me too
[11:53] <ivoks> ogra: i get maybe 5 spams
[11:53] <tseng> 100s
[11:53] <ivoks> but 1000 is stoped daily at server
[11:53] <tseng> yay for spamassassin
[11:54] <ivoks> tseng: 50% of my spams is stoped by postfix
[11:54] <ivoks> 10% by amavis
[11:54] <tseng> yeah i have some rules
[11:54] <ivoks> and rest by sa
[11:54] <tseng> in psotfix
[11:54] <tseng> for non RFC stuff
[11:54] <ivoks> right :)
[11:55] <ivoks> reject_invalid_hostname
[11:55] <tseng> i have a bunch more than that
[11:55] <ivoks>  reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unauth_pipelining, reject_unauth_destination, reject_maps_rbl
[11:56] <tseng> i have less on sender
[11:56] <tseng> and more on recipient
[11:56] <tseng> hm
[11:56] <tseng> s
[11:56] <ivoks> me too
[11:56] <ivoks> no, this are all recipients :)
[11:56] <tseng> er
[11:56] <tseng> smptd_sender_restrictions =
[11:56] <tseng> smtpd_recipient_restrictions =
[11:57] <tseng> i think you are mixing things up
[11:57] <ivoks> nope :)
[11:57] <tseng> why would you put sender restrictions for recipient
[11:57] <ivoks> smtpd_recipient = reject_invalid_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unauth_pipelining, permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination, reject_maps_rbl, permit
[11:57] <tseng> oh
[11:58] <ivoks> i get 500 UBE/UCE daily with this rules
[11:59] <ivoks> only on my account
[11:59] <ivoks> tseng: http://master.grad.hr/amavis-stats
[12:00] <ajmitch> hi
[12:00] <tseng> hi
[12:01] <ivoks> hi ajmitch