[12:00] <fabio> ompaul, hello ;)
[12:00] <Flying-Llama> eth1:operation not supported
[12:00] <Seveas> is eth1 your wireless card?
[12:00] <Flying-Llama> yes
[12:00] <fabio> Guys, does anybody know a kind of Desktop/Calendar/todo list for ubuntu desk?
[12:00] <Seveas> hmm...
[12:00] <Seveas> could be a Mac oddity...
[12:01] <Flying-Llama> hmm
[12:01] <chrissturm> fabio: evolution
[12:01] <Flying-Llama> my card is standard airport, though the base is extreme
[12:01] <Flying-Llama> could that be it?
[12:01] <Flying-Llama> base=access point
[12:01] <fabio> chrissturm, thanks, but does Evo works all the time on the Desktop?
[12:01] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, can you please try asking on the mailing list (include your iwconfig/ifconfig info), there are more smart people there and frankly I don't no what to do next :)
[12:02] <Flying-Llama> Seveas: well youve helped a lot, thank you anyway! :)
[12:02] <chrissturm> fabio: if you have entries in you evo calendar they show up in the gnome clock/calendar applet
[12:02] <Flying-Llama> and ill porst it there
[12:02] <Flying-Llama> post*
[12:02] <BurgerMann> Hi, I have this binary .bin file and I don't quite know what to do with it? any ideas? :)
[12:02] <ompaul> fabio in a terminal do this 'sudo apt-cache search calendar | less' and enjoy up and down arrows for navigation
[12:02] <BurgerMann> It should install a program
[12:02] <Seveas> BurgerMann, chmod +x filename.bin
[12:02] <Seveas> and then ./filename.bin
[12:02] <fabio> chrissturm, oh that's good, thanks, but what about a kind of todo list?
[12:02] <tenshiKur0> Flying-Llama, any particular reason you can use a static addr?
[12:02] <Flying-Llama> hmm
[12:02] <thechitowncubs> Seveas: what does this mean in bash: $1?
[12:03] <fabio> ompaul, eheh I'll try :P
[12:03] <BurgerMann> access denied :S
[12:03] <Flying-Llama> i dont know my ip by heart tenshiKir0
[12:03] <tenshiKur0> can't* use
[12:03] <tenshiKur0> ah ok
[12:03] <chrissturm> evo also has a todo list. but maybe you want to try tomboy, its a great wiki style note taking program that i use for todolists
[12:03] <Flying-Llama> but in osx i could copy it down
[12:03] <Flying-Llama> then go back to ubuntu
[12:03] <Flying-Llama> and use the same
[12:03] <Flying-Llama> or is it OS specific?
[12:04] <BurgerMann> Seveas, seems even my root user haven't access :S
[12:04] <tenshiKur0> nah
[12:04] <thechitowncubs> because in the script it says videoid=$1 and that is the variable i am injecting
[12:04] <BurgerMann> Seveas, I got it now, thanks :)
[12:04] <Flying-Llama> does my cable modem serve DHCP? or is it just my acces point?
[12:04] <Flying-Llama> i could connect directly to the modem and see
[12:05] <Flying-Llama> unless it has no DHCP
[12:05] <tenshiKur0> Flying-Llama, so ur install is seeing the airport card, though? right?
[12:05] <Flying-Llama> yes
[12:05] <Flying-Llama> eth1
[12:05] <Flying-Llama> but
[12:05] <Flying-Llama> it doesnt say airport
[12:05] <Flying-Llama> hmm
[12:05] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, it should be the access point doing that
[12:05] <tenshiKur0> does it say wlan0?
[12:05] <Flying-Llama> okay Seveas
[12:05] <Flying-Llama> wlan0?
[12:05] <Flying-Llama> where
[12:06] <mariux> is kubuntu any good? say if i like ubuntu but im more of a kde guy
[12:06] <Flying-Llama> only eth1
[12:06] <tenshiKur0> in the network config applet in the syspanel/ tray
[12:06] <kangpeh>   Depends: samba-common (=3.0.10-1ubuntu3) but 3.0.14a-1~5.04ubp1 is to be installed
[12:06] <kangpeh> yo
[12:06] <Seveas> mariux, it is :)
[12:06] <kangpeh> this dependence fails
[12:06] <kangpeh> wtf
[12:06] <Flying-Llama> tenshiKur0: nope
[12:06] <Seveas> kangpeh, temporarily disable backports
[12:06] <djm61> ompaul: about: I think
[12:06] <_pax> How to restart DHCP?
[12:06] <Seveas> _pax, server or client?
[12:06] <Flying-Llama> eth0, eth1 and ppp0
[12:06] <_pax> Client.
[12:07] <dajar> hey all
[12:07] <Flying-Llama> no wlan0 tenshiKur0
[12:07] <tenshiKur0> o.. .really
[12:07] <dajar> back again :)
[12:07] <kangpeh> i never had backports installed
[12:07] <kangpeh> o_o
[12:07] <thechitowncubs> Anyone know bash in here?
[12:07] <Seveas> kangpeh, yes you have
[12:07] <tenshiKur0> do u have two physical ethernet ports, though?
[12:07] <thechitowncubs> kangpeh, you probably did without realizing it
[12:07] <Flying-Llama> no
[12:07] <Seveas> otherwise you wouldn't see ~ubp packages
[12:07] <Flying-Llama> one ethernet
[12:07] <thechitowncubs> the ubuntu guide does it
[12:07] <Flying-Llama> one dial up modem
[12:07] <kangpeh> hold up
[12:07] <Seveas> ubuntuguide.org sucks
[12:07] <Flying-Llama> and my airport card
[12:07] <kangpeh> i really dont think i have it let me check
[12:07] <fabio> nevermind, anyway, somebody know a good IDE for ubuntu ? Not Emacs or Vi plse, but just an IDE
[12:08] <_pax> lol searcher`
[12:08] <tenshiKur0> hmm... so eth1 is prolly the airport card
[12:08] <Flying-Llama> it is
[12:08] <djm61> ompaul: about:config specifically
[12:08] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: waht is up?
[12:08] <kangpeh> yo
[12:08] <Flying-Llama> hey nalioth
[12:08] <kangpeh> i dont have backports on
[12:08] <kangpeh> thechitowncubs
[12:08] <kangpeh> seveas
[12:08] <thechitowncubs> ya
[12:08] <thechitowncubs> you do
[12:08] <djm61> fabio: it depends what you like in an IDE...glade is a gnome IDE
[12:08] <Flying-Llama> i used to be alex__ how do you know me as llama?
[12:08] <Seveas> kangpeh, well, then you already have samba installed from the backports..
[12:08] <mariux> what if i just install kde on my ubuntu, wont that essentially make it kubuntu?
[12:09] <kangpeh> seveas: arrgh
[12:09] <djm61> fabio: monodevelop is good for CIL stuff
[12:09] <_pax> Anyone knows how to start-stop-restart-status DHCP client?
[12:09] <Seveas> mariux, install kubuntu-desktop then
[12:09] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: ya getting your mac questions answered?
[12:09] <Seveas> and it will be exactly kubuntu
[12:09] <revildab> mariux, there is a meta package with all the kubuntu stuff
[12:09] <kangpeh> ok
[12:09] <kangpeh> remopving samba
[12:09] <dajar> ive installed atftp client... but i carnt see where it installed it to
[12:09] <kangpeh> and then trying to reinstall
[12:09] <Flying-Llama> nalioth: ah yes!
[12:09] <dajar> could anyone help me
[12:09] <Seveas> dajar, dpkg -L <the name of the package you installed>
[12:10] <mjr> fabio, djm62, Glade isn't an ide, just a GUI editor; Anjuta is an IDE.
[12:10] <dajar> thanks
[12:10] <dajar> dont any packages add themselves to the menu
[12:10] <Seveas> not all packages do that
[12:11] <nalioth> dajar: if they are instructed to do so by their makers
[12:11] <tenshiKur0> so Flying-Llama, try getting the ip from osx, using it to configure the settings for eth1 in Ubuntu, and see if u have network access
[12:11] <dajar> are there any graphical ftp clients
[12:11] <tritium> gftp
[12:11] <dajar> or graphical ftp servers for that matter :)
[12:11] <Flying-Llama> tenshiKur0: ill try that, thanks :)
[12:11] <fabio> djm62, thanks just like DevC++ for Win where I can write, compile and run my C progs all at once
[12:11] <dajar> gftp isnt installing
[12:11] <tenshiKur0> no prob
[12:11] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: ifconfig should tell you your network stuff (unless you are running airport extreme)
[12:12] <djm62> fabio: I honestly don't know...I use emacs and make
[12:12] <nalioth> djm62: is he afte kdevelop?
[12:12] <Flying-Llama> nalioth: it does
[12:12] <djm62> nalioth: see above: I don't know ;)
[12:12] <Flying-Llama> 137 errors lol
[12:12] <tenshiKur0> nalioth, seems as though he can't get an IP from the APBS in ubuntu, though, and he's forgotten his osx IP
[12:12] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: how bout iwconfig?
[12:12] <djm62> fabio: kdevelop might suit you, and above all it's free to try
[12:12] <Flying-Llama> yes, but acces point is 44:44:44:44:44:44
[12:13] <Flying-Llama> weird huh?
[12:13] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: tenshiKur0 not using dhcp on the apbs?
[12:13] <Flying-Llama> huh?
[12:13] <fabio> djm62, hmm thanks but I am not using KDE, so I don't know about Kdevelop, anyway I will prob try Anjuta...
[12:13] <avalente> does ubuntu's gaim version 1.1.4 have the patches for gaim 1.3.1?
[12:13] <Flying-Llama> well the base gives dhcp normally
[12:13] <Flying-Llama> but it is an extreme base
[12:13] <thechitowncubs> avalente: if it presented a security concern, yes
[12:13] <Flying-Llama> maybe thats the problem
[12:14] <ompaul> djm62, yeap, thanks I was off playing editor with thata
[12:14] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: shouldnt matter. how long has it been since the base was restarted? (love hard restarts)
[12:14] <tritium> avalente, check /usr/share/doc/gaim/changelog.Debian.gz
[12:14] <Flying-Llama> nalioth: uhhh, maybe a week
[12:14] <Flying-Llama> but im using it here
[12:14] <Flying-Llama> on my imac
[12:14] <Flying-Llama> all fine
[12:14] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: how many "G" wireless points are in the house?
[12:14] <Flying-Llama> g?
[12:14] <Flying-Llama> fast or slow?
[12:15] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: 802.11b or 802.11g
[12:15] <Flying-Llama> is extreme g?
[12:15] <Flying-Llama> or b
[12:15] <djm62> ompaul: say what?!?
[12:15] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: and the mac/ubuntu has a regular airport card?
[12:15] <Flying-Llama> yes
[12:15] <Flying-Llama> im sure of that
[12:15] <Flying-Llama> just checked last night
[12:16] <Flying-Llama> link quality=0/92
[12:16] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: if you have no other 802.11g cards in use in the house, you can tell the abps to only 'talk' to 802.11b cards
[12:16] <Flying-Llama> well my imac is g
[12:16] <Flying-Llama> my brother's pismo is
[12:16] <Flying-Llama> b
[12:16] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: the one you are on now is not?
[12:16] <Flying-Llama> and my sister's new ibook is g
[12:17] <Flying-Llama> 2 g and 2 b
[12:17] <Flying-Llama> the one on this imac is g
[12:17] <Flying-Llama> im typing this on the imac
[12:17] <Flying-Llama> whih is g
[12:17] <nalioth> ubuntu doesnt work with the "g" airport card
[12:17] <Flying-Llama> g it the fast one, right?
[12:17] <Flying-Llama> no but my ibook is b
[12:17] <Flying-Llama> ubuntu is on my ibook
[12:18] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: my ibook (i'm on it now) works perfectly out of the box
[12:18] <Flying-Llama> thats what is so strange
[12:18] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: G3/600 reg airport, blah blah
[12:18] <Flying-Llama> what about the access point?
[12:18] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: a brand new ibook G4 sharing internet
[12:18] <Flying-Llama> ahh
[12:19] <Flying-Llama> and the g4 is connected how?
[12:19] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: right to the router which is connected to the cable modem
[12:19] <Flying-Llama> hmm
[12:19] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: by wires
[12:19] <BurgerMann> Why don't everyone use binary installations?
[12:19] <nalioth> Flying-Llama:  what model ibook ya got
[12:19] <Flying-Llama> 800mhz g3
[12:20] <Flying-Llama> 14''
[12:20] <nalioth> BurgerMann: becaue there are so many programs available X ppc, amd64, x86-366, x86-586, etc etc
[12:20] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: i don't rememember when they switched to APX in the ibook line, but that is close
[12:20] <Flying-Llama> my base is 801.11g and b compatible, does this matter?
[12:20] <Flying-Llama> hmm
[12:21] <Flying-Llama> well its not APX
[12:21] <Seveas> if it were apx, you wouldn't even get this far
[12:21] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: the b and g compatibility shouldnt matter at all. every1s mac talks with it under osx, right?
[12:21] <Seveas> but try lspci
[12:21] <Flying-Llama> ya lol
[12:21] <dajar> ok im using the ftp client built into unbuntu
[12:21] <Flying-Llama> lspci?
[12:21] <Flying-Llama> is that a command?
[12:21] <Seveas> if it says broadcom network crap, you have an APX
[12:21] <Seveas> yes
[12:21] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: open a terminal and type that
[12:21] <Seveas> enter it in the terminal :)
[12:21] <Flying-Llama> hmm
[12:22] <Flying-Llama> :)
[12:22] <Flying-Llama> lots of feedback...
[12:22] <Seveas> yeah, search for lines with network in it
[12:22] <Seveas> if the same lines say broadcom, it's an APX
[12:22] <Seveas> but i'm quite sure it isn't :)
[12:22] <BurgerMann> nalioth, so as developer you would have to make the same binary installation for almost every architecture?
[12:23] <Seveas> BurgerMann, as a distribution you would :)
[12:23] <Flying-Llama> i dont think it says network at all
[12:23] <Seveas> or ethernet
[12:23] <foxiness> hi, is there a tools on linux like partition magic ?
[12:23] <nalioth> BurgerMann: some developers do that , some release for the largest audience, leaving the others source code
[12:23] <Flying-Llama> ah
[12:23] <Seveas> foxiness, gparted comes close
[12:24] <nalioth> BurgerMann: then sometimes other sub-maintainers pkg the source for specific platforms
[12:24] <dajar> how do i get a directory in ftp
[12:24] <njan> foxiness, qtparted and gparted are the closest you'll get
[12:24] <Flying-Llama> pci?
[12:24] <njan> foxiness, but nothing in linux is as good as partm is in windows, unfortunately.
[12:24] <ompaul> djm62, I was editing some of the config stuff in firefox when you gave the the about:config clue :)
[12:24] <Flying-Llama> keylargo/pangea pci
[12:24] <chadwill> heyas all
[12:24] <Flying-Llama> keylargo/pangea I/O
[12:24] <dajar> `i tryed mget but it didnt work
[12:24] <foxiness> Seveas, thanks
[12:24] <foxiness> njan, thanks you too
[12:25] <Flying-Llama> i have no pci
[12:25] <BurgerMann> naloith, oh thanks :)
[12:25] <Flying-Llama> but it says i do
[12:25] <wmealing> would anyone know where i can find information on the process of rebuilding an ubuntu itanium liveCD ?
[12:25] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: your whole ibook runs on a pci bus
[12:25] <Flying-Llama> oh... woops
[12:25] <Flying-Llama> hehe
[12:25] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: lspci shows all things plugged into it
[12:25] <dooglus> can gparted shrink an NTFS partition, degrag it, etc?
[12:25] <chadwill> is there a bittorrent client and e-mule client for linux?
[12:25] <Seveas> wmealing, LiveCdCustomizationowto on the wiki
[12:25] <nalioth> chadwill: several
[12:26] <Flying-Llama> nalioth: plugged in?
[12:26] <nalioth> chadwill: search sourceforge.net for a boatload of choices
[12:26] <Seveas> dooglus, ntfsresize can shrink it, defraggin isn't neccessary iirc
[12:26] <chadwill> kk
[12:26] <Flying-Llama> i have nothing in my usb or fireiwire
[12:26] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: all the items using the pci bus in your ibook will be listed upon issuing the 'lspci' command
[12:26] <XRoader> Hi, I've downloaded maxima and maxima-emacs and am able to run maxima through the prompt but am unsure as to how to use the emac for it, could somebody explain to me what I'd have to do
[12:26] <Seveas> nekton, please turn that off in here
[12:27] <dooglus> Seveas: usually PCs comes with a single large NTFS partition.  it will have random sectors used on it all across the disk.  so kind of defrag will be needed, no?
[12:27] <Flying-Llama> nalioth: well is AGO my airport card?
[12:27] <Flying-Llama> AGP*
[12:27] <nekton> Seveas, which?
[12:27] <djm62> XRoader: have you tried M-x maxima-mode in emacs?
[12:27] <Flying-Llama> isnt that the graphics?
[12:27] <Seveas> dooglus, yes, I was surprised when I heard ntfsresize didn't need it
[12:27] <Seveas> nekton, the away/bac announcement
[12:27] <Seveas> it's highly obnoxious and creates noise
[12:27] <dooglus> Seveas: is ntfsresize on the hoary install CD?
[12:27] <nekton> Seveas, got it...will do. sorry.
[12:27] <Seveas> dooglus, ENOCLUE
[12:28] <XRoader> djw62: TBH I don't know what that means but I'll search around my maxima folders to try to find what you're talking about
[12:28] <dooglus> Seveas: my Mum wants to be able to run Gnome games and be online at the same time.  She can't get online from the live CD she uses, 'cos she can't configure the wireless WEP stuff
[12:29] <dooglus> so I was going to install ubuntu.  but she wants to keep XP too.  I'm going to have to shtrink the NTFS partition before I can install ubnuutu
[12:29] <dajar> how do i get a directory in ftp anyone please :D
[12:29] <sproingie> ls?
[12:29] <dooglus> dajar: what do you mean, "get"?
[12:29] <Seveas> dooglus, i think it is on there, but i'm not 100% sure
[12:29] <sproingie> oh i think he means download
[12:29] <dajar> download
[12:29] <dooglus> dajar:
[12:29] <dooglus> +++sorry.  c
[12:29] <dooglus> at on keyboard
[12:29] <chadwill> nalioth .. im looking at sourceforge.net now.. but im a little new to the linux stuff..and i find it even hard to navigate that site..dunno what i should be looking for..
[12:29] <sproingie> inter, then mget *
[12:30] <dooglus> ~~~~~~but you "prompt" then "2mget *"
[12:30] <dooglus> "6mget *"
[12:30] <sproingie> ah right, prompt
[12:30] <dajar> ?
[12:30] <dooglus> "prmpot" will turn off prompting
[12:30] <dooglus> thyen "mget *"
[12:30] <dajar> ah
[12:30] <dooglus> ~cats suck at typing
[12:30] <ompaul> since when is  csharp a free project?
[12:30] <dajar> ftp in to the dir
[12:30] <dajar> i mean
[12:30] <dajar> cd into the dir
[12:30] <sproingie> ompaul: since mono?
[12:30] <dajar> promt then mget *
[12:30] <dooglus> to cd into the dir you use "cd dir"
[12:31] <nalioth> chadwill there is a search box, put "bittorrent" in it
[12:31] <chadwill> heh..nm i found it:)
[12:31] <chadwill> tyvm:)
[12:31] <dajar> thanks a lot :)
[12:31] <ompaul> sproingie, mono I know, bur curious as to so why is there a ##csharp on this server
[12:31] <nalioth> chadwill: or for even more fun, just "torrent"
[12:31] <dooglus> or just "bit"
[12:31] <sproingie> ompaul: because some people program in csharp
[12:31] <sproingie> ompaul: just like there's a #python and #perl
[12:32] <Seveas> or #php or #C
[12:32] <ompaul> but those are free / open
[12:32] <dooglus> or #donkeysex
[12:32] <djm62> ompaul: mono is an open version...more free than java for instance
[12:32] <sproingie> anyway, q for any/all: i went and got a new keyboard that has a scroll wheel on it, also came with a mouse with a tilt wheel. anyone written anything to support those?
[12:32] <Seveas> dooglus, dunno about that language :)
[12:32] <ompaul> djm62, this I know :)
[12:33] <djm62> derived from brainf*ck
[12:33] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: do you dual boot?
[12:33] <dooglus> Seveas: really?  it's the new thing.
[12:33] <Flying-Llama> nalioth: yes
[12:33] <Seveas> sproingie, try experimenting with your xorg.conf :D
[12:33] <dooglus> C# is so last wednesday
[12:33] <Seveas> :)
[12:33] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: and it works in OSX?
[12:33] <zyth> I use C%
[12:33] <zyth> ;)
[12:33] <dooglus> !##!~##!
[12:33] <ubotu> dooglus: Are you smoking crack?
[12:33] <Flying-Llama> nalioth: yes
[12:33] <TokenBad> I am installing a program and it wants me to pic a OS but not sure which to pick..can someone help me
[12:33] <sproingie> Seveas: any pointers to how to get the keyboard supported?
[12:33] <Seveas> sproingie, ENOCLUE
[12:33] <dooglus> ubotu: how can you tell?
[12:33] <ubotu> dooglus: Are you smoking crack?
[12:34] <Seveas> sproingie, not completely
[12:34] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: and you're using hoary (ubuntu 5.04)?
[12:34] <ompaul> !botsnack
[12:34] <ubotu> :)
[12:34] <Seveas> try xev to see whether you get events from the thing
[12:34] <djm62> speaking of xorg.conf, can anyone tell me how to enable the rotate bit of xrandr?
[12:34] <sproingie> mm good idea
[12:34] <Flying-Llama> nalioth: yes
[12:34] <ThE__OnE> i accidently deleted a few items and its not in the trach, hjow cna i get it back, if i ever can
[12:34] <pixelmonkey> dajar, mget really shouldn't be used for directory-getting, as explained in the ftp manpage.  The ftp manpage reccomends you tar and download the tar archive.  I, instead, use wget in --mirror mode
[12:34] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: i don't know what to tell you
[12:34] <Flying-Llama> thats ok nalioth
[12:35] <nalioth> ThE__OnE: i'm afraid, its gone forever
[12:35] <Seveas> sproingie, it is
[12:35] <pixelmonkey> dajar, wget is much more powerful for downloading from any kind of site, so you'll like it better if you explore the options
[12:35] <ThE__OnE> ahh
[12:35] <Seveas> Xev
[12:35] <Seveas> so X
[12:35] <Seveas> so, gui :)
[12:35] <mjr> djm62, I have a vague recollection of X only supporting rotation when working in a dumb framebuffer (or shadow framebuffer) mode
[12:35] <mjr> but that's vague
[12:35] <sproingie> no events from the keyboard wheel
[12:35] <mjr> s/X/XFree86/ , might've changed. Maybe.
[12:35] <djm62> mjr: is that how it would be on #familiar?
[12:35] <nalioth> dajar: and curl is good, too in a different way
[12:35] <Seveas> sproingie, then you'll have to use the best friend of all internetters:
[12:35] <Seveas> google
[12:35] <djm62> mjr: familiar, even....
[12:36] <zyth> if you're looking for X and rotation stuff, check Linux on tabletpc sites, they're fond of rotating
[12:36] <Seveas> sproingie, complete different driver model :)
[12:36] <dooglus> I just saw an ad on TV for Windows - the first I've ever seen.
[12:36] <mjr> djm62, I don't follow
[12:36] <sproingie> dooglus: really?
[12:36] <dooglus> Apparently windows supports "the software and hardware I need" or some such
[12:36] <sproingie> dooglus: you don't remember the rolling stones "start me up" for 95 or madonna's "ray of light" for XP?
[12:36] <dooglus> they must be getting really worried about linux if they have to advertise on TV about it
[12:36] <djm62> zyth: I've used it on ipaq (or I probably wouldn't know it exists)
[12:37] <dooglus> sproingie: I don't watch a lot of TV
[12:37] <dooglus> sproingie: I heard that MS had bought rights to 'start me up' but I never heard them use it
[12:37] <sproingie> dooglus: they've spent millions on ads for windows.  tho it's odd that they'd be showing them right now
[12:37] <dajar> nalioth curl?
[12:37] <sproingie> dooglus: they bought rights to use it, not to the song, i'd imaging
[12:37] <dajar> i just found that i have about 100 subdirecotrys
[12:37] <kangpeh> hey
[12:38] <dajar> and that i would have to cd and meget into everyone
[12:38] <kangpeh> how do u change the 'root' gnome theme
[12:38] <dajar> o hang on i got an idea
[12:38] <kangpeh> and 'root' gnome colors/theme
[12:38] <kangpeh> ?
[12:38] <christian> has anyone gotten kylix 3 working in ubuntu?
[12:38] <pixelmonkey> dajar, trust me, use wget
[12:38] <dooglus> sproingie: I loved the XP poster campaign.  "suppenly everything clicks".  all the ones that went up around here had the "su" from "suddenly" pasted over "clicks" to make it "suddently everything sucks"
[12:38] <dooglus> very nicely done
[12:38] <rbrenart> I've setup an HP Laserjet4050 (PS) on an Ubuntu server installation (no gui), and have shared it out to a handful of windows computers. It works great for 99% of things, but I have one program (the big program to run here) for which it refuses to work. What happens is I click "Print" in the program, and up comes the windows print options dialog, and then if I click "OK" nothing happens, no jobs are picked up by CUPS, but if I click "Properties" (change not
[12:38] <rbrenart> hing) then click OK, and then Click the same OK that did nothing before, it prints.... anyone have any idea what in the world could cause this?
[12:38] <pixelmonkey> dajar, man ftp | grep -i2 'not meant'
[12:38] <HippoSaur> HEllo =P
[12:39] <dooglus> I just tried using the "sound juicer" app to rip a CD.  it was ripping at "0.5x" speed.  can it go faster?
[12:39] <Flying-Llama> if anyone is interested, here is my outout on lspci: http://img63.echo.cx/img63/334/dsc069882je.jpg , http://img122.echo.cx/img122/9794/dsc069872mq.jpg
[12:39] <thieflar> How do I install the kernel header files again?
[12:39] <zyth> dooglus, try Grip
[12:40] <christor> Hello
[12:40] <christor> I Have a problem APCI on my computer : localhost kernel: APIC error on CPU0: 00(40) , localhost kernel: APIC error on CPU0: 40(08) somoene can hrlp me?
[12:40] <tritium> thieflar, "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)"
[12:40] <HippoSaur> Will there be hardware problems if I try to innstall Ubuntu On my Hewlet PAckard Ze4325 lap top =P it has an igp 340 ati grapics card =P
[12:40] <sproingie> dooglus: did you see the one where they set the ad to the Mozart Requiem?  They showed "where do you want to go today?" while it was playing the part of the Confutatis which roughly translates to "the damned and accursed are consigned to hellfire"
[12:40] <ThE__OnE> whats the apt-get for mplayer?
[12:40] <zyth> HippoSaur, yes, send me the laptop immediately
[12:40] <djm62> HippoSaur: have you googled ze4325 and ubuntu?
[12:41] <HippoSaur> huh =P no ze4300
[12:41] <HippoSaur> its about the same
[12:41] <keffo> anyone got SHN-files working under xmms?
[12:41] <gek> hi all, i have a problem with my display on linux
[12:41] <Seveas> try googling for your laptop type + linux
[12:41] <zyth> HippoSaur, send it to meeee
[12:41] <zyth> ;)
[12:41] <Seveas> zyth...
[12:41] <thieflar> thanks, tritium
[12:41] <tritium> thieflar, sure ;)
[12:41] <zyth> LOL
[12:41] <HippoSaur> ive tried suse linux and therse no 32 bit support :(
[12:42] <gek> if i leave the computer for a while (overnight) and come back, often the screen is all screwed up and i have to log out and log back in, which can be hard because i can hardly seen anything
[12:42] <HippoSaur> screnn was only 16 bit =P
[12:42] <zyth> Seveas, yah? Perhpas humour dooesn't translate well.
[12:42] <Seveas> ;)
[12:42] <sproingie> HippoSaur: technically there's no 32bit support in debian or ubuntu either
[12:42] <djm62> HippoSaur: you should be getting 24-bit I think
[12:42] <Flying-Llama> nalioth: in case it helps at all, here is my outout on lspci: http://img63.echo.cx/img63/334/dsc069882je.jpg , http://img122.echo.cx/img122/9794/dsc069872mq.jpg
[12:42] <ThE__OnE> whats the apt-get for mplayer?
[12:43] <ThE__OnE> ir is there one?
[12:43] <ThE__OnE> or*
[12:43] <Seveas> apt-get install mplayer-custom
[12:43] <Seveas> have multiverse enabled
[12:43] <HippoSaur> it has a celoron processor =P and fiery system fan u dont want to have my laptop =P
[12:43] <dooglus> zyth: thanks.  I will.
[12:43] <dooglus> sproingie: I must have missed that one
[12:43] <gek> i dont know how i can describe it but its horizontal lines of screen shifted and overlayed on itself
[12:43] <ThE__OnE> whats that? multiverse
[12:43] <gek> any ideas?
[12:43] <zyth> !multiverse
[12:43] <ubotu> I don't know, zyth
[12:43] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: holy moley, such a small pic!
[12:43] <zyth> damn bot
[12:43] <HippoSaur> Il just try it on my other harddrive on my desktop then =)
[12:43] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[12:43] <Seveas> ThE__OnE: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:43] <Seveas> ThE__OnE: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:44] <Flying-Llama> nalioth: heh
[12:44] <djm62> HippoSaur: why not try a livecd?
[12:44] <zyth> HippoSaur, intel graphics are supported in xorg
[12:44] <zyth> you ought to be fine
[12:44] <HippoSaur> nah I got two old hard drives i can try it on =P
[12:44] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: did you try a ubuntu ppc livecd in the 'book?
[12:44] <HippoSaur> xorg hmm ?
[12:44] <zyth> damnit I want an ibook
[12:45] <Flying-Llama> nalioth: yes
[12:45] <zyth> HippoSaur, Hoary ships with xorg, not xfree86
[12:45] <nalioth> zyth: www.apple.com/store/
[12:45] <Flying-Llama> internet didnt work either
[12:45] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: did the wireless work then?
[12:45] <Flying-Llama> nope
[12:45] <zyth> nalioth, ahh, I am too poor ;) I will have ti wait and find a used one
[12:45] <hksdu> Does anybody know any Eclipse IDE channel on freenode?
[12:45] <Seveas> zyth, www.ebay.com :)
[12:45] <nalioth> zyth: they have refurbs there for CHEAP
[12:45] <zyth> LOL Seveas :D
[12:45] <zyth> nalioth, they do? url?
[12:46] <Seveas> hksdu, #eclipse :)
[12:46] <nalioth> zyth: the one i sent you, click on the red 'sale' tag on the bottom right side
[12:46] <HippoSaur> i'l google xorg =P
[12:47] <hksdu> Hello all, does anybody here use ssh? I tried to ssh from my office to home computer(under a router but port forwarded 22) but I couldn't, it said "connection refused", any clue?
[12:47] <zyth> ok
[12:47] <Razor-X> hksdu: can your home computer SSH to itself?
[12:47] <Seveas> hksdu, you should install openssh-server on the machine, it's not installed by default
[12:47] <hksdu> Randall: for LAN, I have no problem at all
[12:47] <djm62> hksdu: and does your office firewall outgoing connections?
[12:47] <pepsi> how can i pass arguments to a kernel module on boot?
[12:47] <hksdu> Seveas: I did, I ssh from my remote machine and no problem at all
[12:48] <Seveas> pepsi, modprobe.d/modules.conf
[12:48] <Seveas> read the manpage for modprobe
[12:48] <hksdu> djm62: I am not sure...
[12:48] <Seveas> hksdu, what's the IP of your home machine, i'll try to connect to it
[12:48] <robertj> anyone have a newer laptop that they are pleased with? I'm in the market and was wondering if anyone had a suggestion for one that plays nice
[12:48] <zyth> nalioth, nice! thanks
[12:48] <Seveas> (msg me in private if you want)
[12:48] <hksdu> Seveas: 24.114.119.181
[12:49] <wmealing> coudlnt find anything on itanium
[12:49] <Seveas> hksdu, works
[12:49] <hksdu> Seveas: it's alright, nothing important there, it's just a learning machine for me
[12:49] <hksdu> Seveas: so it means that my office blocks everything right?
[12:49] <Seveas> it must be your office firewall blocking outgoing connections
[12:49] <Seveas> hehe:)
[12:50] <hksdu> Seveas: I checked out the doc on openssh, it says that I can use port forward to create tunneling, so I created a tunnel on ssh itself, but it didn't work.
[12:50] <Seveas> yeah, your office firewall is provably very restrictive
[12:50] <Seveas> hksdu, try ssh -p 30 seveas.demon.nl
[12:50] <robertj> Did you try changing ssh to run on port 80?
[12:50] <djm62> hksdu: you can tunnel other connections over ssh, but you can't tunnel ssh over itself
[12:51] <hksdu> Seveas: hm...so even tunneling cannot break thru?
[12:51] <hksdu> robertj: good idea, I will try tomorrow
[12:51] <djm62> hksdu: yeah, run it on port 80 or 443 or something
[12:51] <Seveas> if that works forward port 30 on your router to port 22 on your machine :)
[12:51] <hksdu> djm62: ic ic...
[12:51] <Seveas> yeah 80 is a good one
[12:51] <hksdu> Seveas: :P...haha...alright, thanks a lot...I will try it out tomorrow...
[12:51] <hksdu> Thanks for all of you....
[12:52] <Seveas> hksdu, the machine isn't always online there, it's my laptop :)
[12:52] <hksdu> Another question, do any of you know any irc channel for eclipse ide?
[12:52] <Flying-Llama> how do i post something on the mailing lists?
[12:52] <Flying-Llama> sorry im new to that
[12:52] <Seveas> hksdu, #eclipse
[12:53] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, go to lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubutu-users and subscribe there
[12:53] <Flying-Llama> i subscribed
[12:53] <hksdu> Seveas: on freenode.net?
[12:53] <Seveas> wait a while until you get an e-mail with a link
[12:53] <Seveas> hksdu, yes
[12:53] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, click on that link to complete registration
[12:53] <Flying-Llama> seveas: i did that
[12:53] <Seveas> and then you can simply mail to ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
[12:53] <hksdu> Seveas: thanks
[12:53] <Flying-Llama> ah
[12:53] <Flying-Llama> thanks Seveas
[12:54] <Seveas> beware though, ubuntu-users is quite high volume :)
[12:54] <Flying-Llama> good! :0
[12:54] <Flying-Llama> :)*
[12:54] <Seveas> you might want to unsubscribe when your problem is solved :)
[12:54] <Flying-Llama> heh
[12:55] <Flying-Llama> well i have to leave, bu thank you all for your help, hopefully this will be resolved on the mailing lists
[12:55] <Flying-Llama> bye
[12:55] <Seveas> bye
[12:56] <thenuke> umm, what meta-package holds gdm?
[12:56] <Kyral> ubuntu-desktop?
[12:57] <thenuke> right, thanks.
[12:57] <tritium> thenuke, "apt-cache rdepends gdm"
[12:57] <Kyral> that was a guess :P
[12:58] <ccc> what's the difference between metacity and gtk2 themes? just different build architecture?
[12:58] <Seveas> ccc, no :)
[12:58] <Seveas> metacity is the default gnome window manager
[12:58] <Seveas> gtk2 themes are themes for the gnome gtk2 toolkit
[12:58] <ccc> hmm.
[12:58] <Seveas> so they're different things
[12:58] <djm62> ccc: metacity is a window manager, gtk2 draws all of the gnome buttons, whatever window manager you use
[12:59] <ccc> okay.
[12:59] <AMDXP> is anyone using openbox?
[12:59] <sysrq> yes
[12:59] <Seveas> how many boxes are there??
[12:59] <abbas> is anyone using openbox?
[12:59] <Seveas> blac, flux, open, match...
[01:00] <sysrq> hehe
[01:00] <Flying-Penguin> I accidentally have this nvidia-glx installed and I want to purge it, but that I am having problems with overwrites. I have tried --force-overwrite.
[01:00] <AMDXP> fluxbox open, blac
[01:00] <sysrq> abbas: ... I just said yes
[01:00] <abbas> is anyone using ppc g4?
[01:00] <abbas> sory
[01:00] <AMDXP> how do set the background in open
[01:00] <retart> yes
[01:00] <abbas> :)
[01:00] <Flying-Penguin> anyone?
[01:00] <retart> I am on a mac mini with ubuntu
[01:00] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, what is the exact error (paste it on paste.ubuntulinux.nl_
[01:00] <sysrq> AMDXP: you use something that can set the background, that is not a window managers job
[01:00] <retart> 1.42 ghz G4
[01:01] <Seveas> AMDXP, probably xsetroot :)
[01:01] <AMDXP> sysrq: ok
[01:01] <abbas> ok  use kubuntu
[01:01] <cthulfuego> retart: They run vesry nicely.
[01:01] <abbas> but  just  the cd
[01:02] <abbas> it isn't mount but on the ubuntu is mount why
[01:02] <Seveas> abbas, clearly english isn't your native language, I don't understand what you say. What is your native language?
[01:03] <Flying-Penguin> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/147
[01:03] <cthulfuego> Seveas: he wants the cd to automount when inserted.
[01:03] <Seveas> hmm, i didn't get that from his words :)
[01:03] <abbas> :)yes yes yes he is understand
[01:03] <djs> bought a mac mini recently too - lovely little box - not ubuntu-ed yet though :)
[01:03] <abbot45> im having trouble with Grip.  Ive got it set to encode with lame and i have lame installed, but when i tell it to start it says "Invalid encoder executable. Check your encoder config."  Ive used this program before with no problems, set up the same way.
[01:04] <retart> Oh, it runs rather well on here.
[01:04] <cthulfuego> djs: Needs a 2.6.12 kernel, then sound works :-)
[01:04] <Seveas> cd's should automount in Ubuntu
[01:04] <Seveas> check system->preferences->removable media
[01:04] <retart> Yes, I downloaded the Kernel that was released as a binary by someone off the Ubuntu forums.
[01:04] <cthulfuego> Seveas: They do, but he's using KDE now and they apparently aren't.
[01:04] <Flying-Penguin> Seveas: here is my error http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/147
[01:04] <djs> cthulfuego: bewdy :)
[01:04] <retart> However, since then there has been an update and sound works still.
[01:04] <sysrq> abbot45: perhaps the path to the lame exec is wrong
[01:04] <Seveas> cthulfuego, a KDE, dunno about that...
[01:05] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, yeah, can't make much of it yet unfortunately
[01:05] <djm62> kubuntu isn't d-bus-ed up as much, I think
[01:05] <Seveas> indeed
[01:05] <Seveas> kde uses crappy DCOP
[01:05] <djm62> isn't there a KIOSlave to do it from konqeror, though
[01:05] <abbas> /dev/cdrom:
[01:05] <abbas>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
[01:05] <abbas>  using_dma    =  1 (on)
[01:05] <abbas> root@abbas:~#
[01:06] <abbot45> sysrq, thats what i was thinking.  im searching for the lame executable right now.  the default value is just "lame"
[01:06] <Flying-Penguin> anyone??? I accidentally have this nvidia-glx installed and I want to purge it, but that I am having problems with overwrites. I have tried --force-overwrite. my error: I accidentally have this nvidia-glx installed and I want to purge it, but that I am having problems with overwrites. I have tried --force-overwrite.
[01:06] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, try --force-overwite-diverted
[01:06] <sysrq> abbot45: just type which lame in a termnial
[01:06] <Seveas> abbas, dma is not related to automounting
[01:06] <Seveas> and please do not paste in here
[01:07] <Flying-Penguin> Seveas:  dpkg -P --force-overwrite-diverted nvidia-glx same...
[01:07] <djm62> abbas: audio CD or data CD?
[01:07] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, ok, drastic measures: --force-all
[01:07] <abbot45> sysrq, nevermind.  i just needed to switch the path from "lame" to "/usr/bin/lame".  ive never had to do that setting up this program before, so it kinda threw me off.  thanks for your help.
[01:08] <Flying-Penguin> Seveas: dpkg -P --force-all nvidia-glx == same same
[01:08] <Seveas> damn...
[01:08] <abbas> Seveas , what is command
[01:09] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, stupid suggestion, have you tried using apt-get remove --purge?
[01:10] <Flying-Penguin> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/148 Seveas
[01:10] <RedMenace> I'm new to Ubuntu, and somewhat of a linux novice.   I installed VLC and xmms, but I don't get any sound with either of them.   Yet, I can hear sound notifications from gaim and gnome.
[01:11] <Speckmade> Hey, someone there who can tell me how to get root-rights? I've enough of those messages telling me "you can't do this, you can't do that". I'm the owner of my computer and I don't want to use "sudo" and learn all those commands before I can rule my machine.
[01:11] <djm62> RedMenace: you need to use ESD with xmms
[01:11] <Flying-Penguin> RedMenace: you have to change the sound output to something... I forget (maby e-sound) because of a multi sound driver thing
[01:12] <cthulfuego> RedMenace: Check that the vlc and xmms output modules fr 'esound' are installed and active.
[01:12] <Seveas> RedMenace, open the xmms preferences, go to plugin->output plugins and select esound
[01:12] <Flying-Penguin> Seveas: I updated this website to have the apt-get as well http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/148
[01:12] <Seveas> RedMenace, and if you like xmms, try beep-media-player
[01:12] <TiMiDo> Toba: sudo passwd root to enable the root account
[01:12] <TiMiDo> grrrrrrr Speckmade
[01:12] <TiMiDo> =)
[01:12] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, i noticed
[01:12] <djm62> Speckmade: on your own head be it.  sudo -s then passwd to give root a passwd.  If you need to be told this, I really don't advise you to run as root
[01:13] <TiMiDo> if that's what you mean Speckmade
[01:13] <Seveas> TiMiDo, do not advice people to do that
[01:13] <Seveas> rather point to the sudo page on the wiki
[01:13] <Seveas> Speckmade: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[01:13] <TiMiDo> Seveas: that's what i saw on the ubuntu =)
[01:13] <Speckmade> why grrr? I just want to rule my machine.
[01:13] <Seveas> Speckmade, there are very good reasons to use sudo
[01:13] <Seveas> please read that wikipage
[01:13] <cthulfuego> Speckmade: You needs to type the *exact* same commands in a root shell as you ould with sudo, what are you talking about?
[01:13] <djm62> Speckmade: and many more good reasons not to run as root
[01:13] <Seveas> it also explains how to enable the root account ;)
[01:14] <cthulfuego> !root password
[01:14] <ubotu> Ubuntu ahs no root password. If sudo or gksu are asking for a password, they mean _your_ password.
[01:14] <JB55> anyone have a clue why my zv6015 (Athlon 64 3500+, ATI Xpress 200m) hangs after the sound plays right after X starts with the Ubunto 5.04 AMD64 livecd?
[01:14] <Speckmade> I've read this wiki page
[01:14] <tritium> yikes, someone needs to spell-check ubotu's responses
[01:14] <Flying-Penguin> can anyone help??? I accidentally have this nvidia-glx installed and I want to purge it, but that I am having problems with overwrites. I have tried, error can be found here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/148
[01:14] <Speckmade> But I don't like this kind of security that takes away my rights
[01:14] <cthulfuego> !root password +` ahs/has/
[01:14] <ubotu> cthulfuego: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[01:14] <djm62> Speckmade: I'd guess most of the seasoned users here are used to having a root account, and have adapted easily to not having one
[01:14] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, i think you should ask on the mailing list, this sounds like a packaging bug to me
[01:14] <cthulfuego> !root password =~ s/ahs/has/
[01:14] <ubotu> cthulfuego: OK
[01:15] <sproingie> yet i still use sudo.  easier to be able to choose inheriting environment for one thing
[01:15] <Seveas> Speckmade, it takes away no rights...
[01:15] <djm62> Speckmade: there is _nothing_ that you can't do with sudo
[01:15] <Seveas> Speckmade, if you want to run everything as root, use linspire
[01:15] <cthulfuego> Speckmade: Do you have an Intel CPU or an AMD one?
[01:15] <sproingie> if you want a root shell, use sudo su - and leave it open
[01:15] <nalioth> djm62: i prefer using sudo. i've been using linux for over 5 years
[01:15] <Speckmade> Intel P4 HT
[01:15] <Flying-Penguin> Seveas: the mailing list will take forever
[01:15] <Seveas> cthulfuego, now that is a nice option of that bot!
[01:15] <sproingie> if you don't know this already, you should probably refrain from being root all that much
[01:16] <djm62> Speckmade: you are entitled to break your machine, and it is only a disk after all
[01:16] <cthulfuego> Seveas: makes life a bit easier :-)
[01:16] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, well, in here too since i guess that no one has the answer
[01:16] <djm62> nalioth: yeah, it's got me out of my bad "root on tty1" habit
[01:16] <sproingie> heck i got a util for windows that will give me a shell as SYSTEM
[01:16] <sproingie> you really want to know how to hose your box, that's it
[01:16] <Seveas> lol sproingie :)
[01:16] <Seveas> can you send me that util?
[01:17] <siimo> getting root  account is as easy as 'sudo passwd'
[01:17] <cthulfuego> Ubunbtu should have a nice "Stop using root, you idiot" message when root logs in, like OpenBSD does.
[01:17] <sproingie> Seveas: i have long forgotten where i got it from.  might be on nonags
[01:17] <Seveas> hehehe cthulfuego :)
[01:17] <tritium> siimo, but that's not the advice we're giving here...
[01:17] <djm62> cthulfuego: I think gnome does...or does it just refuse to run
[01:17] <Speckmade> The thing is that "sudo" only works in the shell - I can't do anything via shell cause I don't know all those commands and I don't want to learn them. That's why I've bought a mouse some time ago...
[01:17] <Seveas> Speckmade, all ubuntu menu entries that requir eroot privileges use gksudo...
[01:17] <sproingie> Speckmade: gksu or kdesu
[01:17] <djm62> tritium: he did specifically say he didn't want to use sudo...it's his computer
[01:17] <cthulfuego> Speckmade: Are you proposing to run *X* applications as root? Are you insane?
[01:17] <sproingie> er gksudo even
[01:18] <poningru> I had a suggestion for a gui implementation to turn root on/off
[01:18] <poningru> how about a something like a radiobox
[01:18] <Seveas> Speckmade, and indeed, running X as root is only done by the crazy...
[01:18] <cthulfuego> Speckmade: That's *exactly* the reason root isn't enabled. It's beyond inadvisable.
[01:18] <Seveas> so go to linspire if you insist on doing that...
[01:18] <sproingie> poningru: what would the point of that be
[01:18] <poningru> you can select root or the normal user
[01:18] <siimo> poningru, probably can do that with gnome-system-tools
[01:18] <poningru> many things
[01:18] <tritium> djm62, that's fine for individuals to decide for themselves, but for the advice we dole out here in #ubuntu, it should be consistent...
[01:18] <cthulfuego> Speckmade: You may as well ask us how to install Windows.
[01:19] <Seveas> cthulfuego, please stop cursing ;)
[01:19] <Seveas> :|
[01:19] <siimo> nothing wrong with su as long as you dont run it all the time
[01:19] <Seveas> sproingie, we have that alreade
[01:19] <Seveas> already
[01:19] <Seveas> ubotu and myself :)
[01:19] <ubotu> Seveas: I don't know, could you explain it?
[01:20] <Seveas> ubotu, shut up!
[01:20] <ubotu> I don't know, Seveas
[01:20] <djm62> tritium: my advice was both "it's your computer" and "it's your funeral"...if somebody asks how to use root intead of sudo, they've decided and it's not fair to give them the runaround
[01:20] <poningru> rofl
[01:20] <cthulfuego> !stupid bot
[01:20] <ubotu> stupid cthulfuego
[01:20] <djs> lol
[01:20] <montecristo> hi
[01:20] <Seveas> djm62, not true
[01:20] <montecristo> need some help plz
[01:20] <montecristo> with ubuntu
[01:20] <RedMenac1> Ok, thanks for the help.  I now have audio output in xmms.   I just don't have an option for the esound module in VLC.   Only lets me choose OSS and a couple others.
[01:20] <Seveas> if someone asks hey where's root, they might be used to using it
[01:20] <poningru> montecristo: youve come to the right place
[01:20] <Seveas> in other distros oslt
[01:20] <poningru> just ask
[01:20] <tritium> djm62, I wasn't
[01:20] <montecristo> ^^
[01:20] <Seveas> and they just need to get used to sudo
[01:20] <montecristo> need to set up ubuntu
[01:21] <montecristo> sorryu
[01:21] <sproingie> really there's not a substantial difference between a root login and using sudo su -
[01:21] <montecristo> samba
[01:21] <Seveas> RedMenac1, is one of them esd?
[01:21] <djm62> Seveas: otoh, if they actually say, I don't want to use sudo, I want root...
[01:21] <Seveas> djm62, ack :)
[01:21] <siimo> instead of su i have to type sudo -s  thats more typing if i do it 100 times a day :P
[01:21] <ompaul> the sudo debate, and the root and sudo -s would be better than sudo su - :)
[01:21] <montecristo> i need to get it sharing folders
[01:21] <norwyn> godnight everyone!
[01:21] <Seveas> siimo, and it's wrong too
[01:21] <poningru> montecristo: it should be set up already
[01:21] <poningru> oh
[01:21] <Seveas> you want sudo -i :)
[01:21] <sproingie> unless remote root login is actually allowed via ssh.  which is usually a damn dumb idea
[01:21] <cthulfuego> sproingie: Except with a root login, your whole X subsystem/gnome/esd/whatever else autorun shit runs as root.
[01:21] <RedMenac1> Seveas:  No, it won't let me choose esd in VLC ... only OSS, file audio and dummy
[01:21] <poningru> hold on let me get the link
[01:21] <montecristo> but i cant see the shared folders on others pcs
[01:21] <Seveas> RedMenac1, hmm, hang on
[01:22] <montecristo> i cant even access them
[01:22] <siimo> im not a sudo'er anymore because this is my family account - so i use su
[01:22] <concept10> I ran under root for a WHOLE year, no trouble but know I only use a user account
[01:22] <montecristo> the "pcs"
[01:22] <djm62> RedMenac1: vlc-esd or vlc-plugin-esd
[01:22] <sproingie> cthulfuego: true, tho i was thinking more in terms of logging in with a shell
[01:22] <cthulfuego> especially bad if $USER asks on irc and clearly likes running x-chat
[01:22] <poningru> montecristo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//SettingUpSamba
[01:22] <Seveas> thnx djm62, couldn't find it :)
[01:23] <montecristo> yeah
[01:23] <montecristo> i was doing the same guide
[01:23] <montecristo> but this happened
[01:23] <djm62> cthulfuego: isn't gnome obnoxious if you login as root?
[01:23] <cthulfuego> djm62: No idea, i've never been drunk enough to try.
[01:23] <baluba> hi
[01:23] <poningru> http://ubuntuguide.org/#installsamba
[01:23] <montecristo> on the
[01:23] <montecristo> mbmount //myserver/myshare /home/yourusrname/mnt
[01:23] <JB55> no one has a clue about my X hangs?
[01:23] <siimo> in one of the distro's wallpaper comes as red with a warning on it if you loginto gnome as r00y
[01:23] <siimo> r00t
[01:23] <cthulfuego> "I actidentally moved /dev to /usr/bin, HELP!"
[01:24] <montecristo> on this seccion
[01:24] <sproingie> r00t but not root?
[01:24] <montecristo> it gave me this error
[01:24] <montecristo> smbmount //myserver/myshare /home/yourusrname/mnt
[01:24] <Seveas> cthulfuego, reboot
[01:24] <cthulfuego> Seveas: 's was a quote
[01:24] <Seveas> make sure there is a /dev directory though...
[01:24] <Seveas> ghe :)
[01:24] <Seveas> ok
[01:24] <sproingie> "i  accidentally untarred a gentoo uclibc stage1 into / instead of /chroot, help!"
[01:24] <poningru> montecristo: what was the error?
[01:24] <cthulfuego> Seveas: That's the kind of issues you get with people running X as root.
[01:24] <Seveas> indeed
[01:25] <montecristo> params.c:Section() - Empty section name in configuration file.
[01:25] <montecristo> params.c:pm_process() - Failed.  Error returned from params.c:parse().
[01:25] <montecristo> Can't load /etc/samba/smb.conf - run testparm to debug it
[01:25] <montecristo> Could not resolve mount point /home/ronald/mnt
[01:25] <cthulfuego> "Please boot abck into Windows and trash C:\Windows\System32"
[01:25] <cthulfuego> "Why?"
[01:25] <baluba> apt pinning question: i want to get just a few packages from backports and everything else from hoary. which is the safe way to proceed? i already set a higher pin-priority to hoary
[01:25] <djm62> but it's still their computer :-/ there are worse things than losing your mp3 collection
[01:25] <sproingie> of course i would have had to untar it as root anyway
[01:25] <cthulfuego> "Well, you did it on linux, why not elsewhere?"
[01:25] <Seveas> ":)"
[01:26] <cthulfuego> "[Connection reset by peer] "
[01:26] <RedMenac1> Thanks for the help gettin' my sound workin' Seveas, djm62 :)
[01:26] <cthulfuego> .. and another satisfied customer.
[01:26] <sproingie> djm62: i dunno, if i lose my OS, it's a couple hours work to restore it.  my pr0n and mp3 collection is a lot harder to replace
[01:26] <montecristo> poningru, could you see it?
[01:26] <zyth> sproingie, that's why I have a 30gb Zen Xtra ;)
[01:27] <poningru> hmm
[01:27] <nalioth> sproingie: thats what 3 500gb HDs are for
[01:27] <djm62> sproingie: well yeah, but compared to "is there a difference between earth and neutral wires?" it's no biggie
[01:27] <zyth> lol
[01:27] <zyth> grab earth!
[01:28] <poningru> yeah I have no clue about that error montecristo
[01:28] <poningru> it does not make sense to me
[01:28] <Kyral> lol
[01:28] <djm62> also, if someone has just installed linux on their machine for the first time, they've taken the "at your own risk" "backup everything" step, so it's the ideal time to do some learning-by-breaking
 Could not resolve mount point /home/ronald/mnt
[01:29] <thechitowncubs> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=221093
[01:29] <Seveas> make sure /home/ronald/mnt exists
[01:29] <thechitowncubs> Can someone test that for me, I've already tested it on my system, but I want to make sure it works for everyone else
[01:29] <doonz> Hey just wanted to thank the 2 guys who helped me trouble shoot my box the other week. Turnd out to be a bad mobo. SOmehow those programs never found anything wrong
[01:29] <RedMenac1> Would you guys recommend installing the new graphics drivers from Nvidia on Ubuntu?
[01:29] <tritium> RedMenac1, ubuntu, of course ;)
[01:30] <Seveas> RedMenac1, ubuntu ships nvidia drivers
[01:30] <Seveas> use there
[01:30] <Seveas> these*
[01:30] <doonz> hey guys can someone mebbe help me write a script for installing a network card?
[01:31] <doonz> cause everytime my bro reboots i have to go there and manual through terminal reinstall it
[01:31] <djm62> doonz: what are you typing to make it work?
[01:31] <doonz> its like 15 steps
[01:32] <doonz> is there a way to make it so it installs and stays installed?
[01:32] <montecristo> params.c:pm_process() - Failed.  Error returned from params.c:parse().
[01:32] <montecristo> Can't load /etc/samba/smb.conf - run testparm to debug it
[01:32] <djm62> doonz: I'd be astounded if there wasn't, but I need to know what you're doing in order to see how to automate it
[01:32] <montecristo> still got that one
[01:32] <montecristo> params.c:pm_process() - Failed.  Error returned from params.c:parse().
[01:32] <montecristo> Can't load /etc/samba/smb.conf - run testparm to debug it
[01:32] <Seveas> doonz, why so you need so many steps?
[01:33] <winston> how to start ssh server?
[01:33] <Seveas> winston, sudp aptitude install openssh-server
[01:33] <doonz> here let me go find the link for you guys
[01:33] <Seveas> sudo*
[01:33] <montecristo> Can't load /etc/samba/smb.conf - run testparm to debug it
[01:33] <Seveas> montecristo: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[01:34] <montecristo> Seveas, ok
[01:34] <Seveas> and run testparm, like it suggests...
[01:34] <montecristo> sorry :(
[01:34] <thechitowncubs> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43058 (could someone help me test this?)
[01:36] <montecristo> in the section, smbmount //myserver/myshare /home/yourusrname/mnt
[01:36] <montecristo> , "myserver" should my ip address be there?
[01:36] <winston> Seveas thanks
[01:36] <doonz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Rt2500WirelessCardsHowTo
[01:36] <doonz> thats the one i have to use
[01:37] <tosi> hoi
[01:37] <kangpeh> anyone know how to reset the theme for 'root' programs?  Also does anyone know how to get smb working
[01:37] <Seveas> doonz, that guide sucks :)
[01:38] <Seveas> ok, to be more specific: it lacks a few bits :)
[01:38] <djm62> I know less than when I started reading
[01:38] <Seveas> doons: add 1 line to /etc/modules contianing noting but the word rt2500
[01:39] <exjinn> for the ra2500 try the ndiswrapper instructions let me get you the link
[01:39] <Seveas> and make sure rt2500.ko is placed in /lib/modules/$YOUR_KERNEL_VERSION
[01:39] <exjinn> http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php?Installation
[01:39] <doonz> k thnx
[01:40] <carl> when I run kismet, I get "FATAL:  Unable to set up pidfile /var/run//kismet_server.pid, couldn't open for writing: Permission denied"
[01:40] <exjinn> make sure you find your specific card you will be redoing it for hours like i did
[01:40] <exjinn> carl are root?
[01:40] <exjinn> are you root
[01:40] <carl> exjinn, no.
[01:40] <exjinn> sudo kismet
[01:40] <Seveas> doonz if you do that, the instructions under installing are only needed once :)
[01:40] <djm62> carl: needs to be run as root, use sudo
[01:41] <thechitowncubs> I'm looking for some testers for a simple script, if anyone wants to help (thechitowncubs http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43058)
[01:41] <thechitowncubs> just PM me and give me your recommendations problems
[01:41] <doonz> thanx sveas
[01:41] <carl> ok, sudo kismet gives FATAL: Unable to open cisco control file '/proc/driver/aironet/eth0/Config' 2:No such file or directory
[01:41] <djm62> thechitowncubs: what does that script do?
[01:42] <cthulfuego> carl: Edit the kismet.conf file.
[01:44] <djm62> thechitowncubs: if this is do-able without sudo, it would be nice
[01:44] <thechitowncubs> djm62: the script allows you to watch Yahoo launch music videos
[01:44] <carl> cthulfuego, thanks.  any idea where the kismet readme is?
[01:44] <thechitowncubs> djm62: sudo is necessary for simplicity
[01:45] <djm62> thechitowncubs: I can see what it's doing, and it's nothing against your script, just the idea of downloading scripts and running with sudo.... :-S
[01:45] <carl> thechitowncubs, sudo...simplicity will never fly for general acceptance
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> djm62: read the script if you'd like, its all open for you to read
[01:46] <exjinn> carl agreed seems a little much just to watch web content
[01:46] <thechitowncubs> exjinn: I agree, but if you want to watch music videos on yahoo, its the easiest way to do it
[01:47] <thechitowncubs> I just wanted some testers, Its not something I wanted to spend all day on
[01:47] <djm62> thechitowncubs: I have, and understand it...I did a similar thing on ipaq, this is aesthetic/cultural rather than technical
[01:48] <carl> thechitowncubs, hate to be harsh, but if it works for you, it is done.  if you want others to use it, you will need to polish it
[01:48] <exjinn> I downloaded the file, ran the install script....commandline output says its available in gomemenu>sound & video I'm not seeing it
[01:48] <carl> hmm... that wasn't harsh...
[01:48] <djm62> thechitowncubs: have you considered taking a look at the firefox extension "checky" and implementing it as a trivial variation on that?
[01:48] <thechitowncubs> try restarting gnome-panel
[01:48] <exjinn> I started gnome panel after the install
[01:48] <djm62> thechitowncubs: no root needed, more integrated with (a) browser
[01:48] <exjinn> I'm not currently running nome
[01:49] <exjinn> gnome
[01:49] <thechitowncubs> Well what are you using?
[01:49] <exjinn> its not showing in the debian menu either
[01:49] <exjinn> xfce4
[01:49] <cthulfuego> carl: sudo has flown in general acceptance for YEARS, mate.
[01:49] <abbas>  just cd but it isn't mount
[01:49] <abbas> but on the ubuntu it is mount
[01:49] <abbas> why isn't mount on the kubuntu
[01:50] <djm62> abbas: are you using an audio CD or a data CD?
[01:50] <carl> cthulfuego, huh?
[01:50] <exjinn> cthulfuego, true however its accepted for admin type stuff, not for say.....watching flash at homestarrunner.com
[01:50] <thechitowncubs> exjinn: see if this is a file /usr/share/applications/yahoomenu.desktop
[01:50] <abbas> audio and data
[01:50] <cthulfuego> exjinn: Flash is shite, that's a different issues.
[01:50] <thechitowncubs> sudo is used to install the script! it isn't harmful
[01:51] <djm62> abbas: for audio, in konqueror type "audiocd: " in the address bar
[01:51] <abbas> for data
[01:51] <abbas> it isn't mount
[01:51] <djm62> cthulfuego: it's the idea of downloading a script off the web, and running it with sudo...not a habit to be encouraged
[01:52] <hajiki> anyone got sasl working with postfix?
[01:52] <exjinn> not comparing the two formats
[01:52] <hajiki> i cant get it to auth me from /etc/passw
[01:52] <cthulfuego> djm62: That's nearly as clever as running auto-dcc'd irc scripts as root ;-)
[01:52] <abbas>  use kubuntu ppc
[01:52] <cthulfuego> hajiki: Yes.
[01:52] <exjinn> and no its not in that folder either
[01:52] <hajiki> cthulfuego, did you follow a guide you could point me to? the one i found didnt help me at all
[01:52] <Bubbs> Question: I'm diving right into Ubuntu, but I'm trying to install it to dual boot with Windows, any specific partition I need to use? >>;
[01:53] <hajiki> install windows first is all i can say
[01:53] <Bubbs> xD Windows is already there.
[01:53] <carl> Bubbs, as long as windows boots before you install, everything shold be fine
[01:53] <djm62> thechitowncubs: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=593 :-/
[01:53] <cthulfuego> hajiki: I used a HOWTO for a Debian Sarge/SASL+Courier+mysql setup, lemme have a look.
[01:54] <Bubbs> Boot Windows first? Alrighy, thanks. ^^
[01:54] <carl> Bubbs, the ubuntu installer will let you leave windows there and add it to the boot menu
[01:54] <HrdwrBoB> my ubuntu CDs arrived
[01:54] <cthulfuego> hajiki: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/
[01:54] <hajiki> ahh mysql.... ive seen those i just wana simple pam auth :(
[01:54] <thechitowncubs> djm62: I tried that and it didn't work for me.
[01:54] <cthulfuego> hajiki: yes, it works via pam too; mine uses mysql *via* pam.
[01:54] <djm62> ah, right...
[01:54] <hajiki> oooh let me give it a shot, thank you
[01:55] <Bubbs> Could you clarify a bit? I'm a Mac user, but I'm just messing around with Ubuntu and Windows on a spare box.
[01:55] <djm62> thechitowncubs: could you make it work?
[01:55] <rafiki> ok stupid question for someone... what is the root password that setup sets?
[01:55] <thechitowncubs> I doubt it
[01:55] <thechitowncubs> i have no extension experience
[01:55] <djm62> rafiki: not stupid at all...there is no root passwd
[01:55] <HrdwrBoB> rafiki: there is no root password
[01:56] <djm62> rafiki: use the sudo command with your own passwd ;)
[01:56] <carl> sudo kismet = FATAL: Could not find 'monitor' private ioctl or use the newer style 'mode monitor' command.
[01:56] <rafiki> it won't allow login without one
[01:56] <HrdwrBoB> rafiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RootSudo
[01:56] <carl> and says "see the readme"  where is the readme?
[01:56] <rafiki> and is won't let me sudo form the account it creates
[01:56] <nalioth> Bubbs: if you are a mac user, why mess with windows at all?
[01:56] <cthulfuego> rafiki: The idea is that you don't login as root. At all.
[01:56] <nalioth> Bubbs: give the machine to ubuntu
[01:56] <djm62> thechitowncubs: it's javascript...you might be fine since you've worked out the text chopping
[01:56] <cthulfuego> carl: try /usr/share/doc/kismet
[01:57] <exjinn> I'm playing around with ethereal and the only info I seem to ever get from my wireless is my own machine
[01:57] <cthulfuego> rafiki: Is your user account in the 'admin' group?
[01:57] <rafiki> cthulfuego... unfortunately I can't do anything with the account it sets up during install... including sudo as root
[01:57] <carl> cthulfuego, thanks - there is some things there
[01:57] <rafiki> probabvly not since I can open any of those files to check
[01:57] <cthulfuego> rafiki: That's a bug then.
[01:57] <Bubbs> Because I'm an idiot? And I'll do that, thanks. XD
[01:57] <thechitowncubs> djm62: have you tried the extension?
[01:57] <djm62> thechitowncubs: not just yet, have just installed
[01:57] <cthulfuego> rafiki: You need to boot the system in recovery mode, then add your user account to the 'admin' group.
[01:58] <thechitowncubs> djm62: try it for me please
[01:58] <cthulfuego> rafiki: After that, you ought to be able to use sudo.
[01:58] <thechitowncubs> because it is based on the same bash script
[01:58] <somerville32> Hey
[01:58] <somerville32> The people in #kubuntu aren't being helpful and my sound won't work
[01:58] <rafiki> ugh
[01:58] <rafiki> k
[01:58] <rafiki> thanks
[01:59] <djm62> thechitowncubs: I get a load of passwd requests
[01:59] <thechitowncubs> for what?
[01:59] <rok9> how do you mount ntfs so a user can read it
[01:59] <thechitowncubs> rok9: www.ubuntuguide.org
[01:59] <Bubbs> One more thing out of curiosity, I don't wish to kill Windows completely...will giving Ubuntu free reign slaughter any pre-existing Windows system and it's files?
[01:59] <rok9> thanks
[02:00] <rok9> i'll go read
[02:00] <djm62> username and password for "" at launchtoday.yahoo...
[02:00] <carl> Bubbs, the setup will be pretty clear about "wipe everything" vs "add"
[02:00] <djm62> Bubbs: by default it will
[02:01] <carl> Bubbs, do you have a free partition?
[02:01] <magog> i have a windows laptop on my network and i want to be able to connect to this main box on the laptop, whats the easiest way for me to accomplish this?
[02:01] <Bubbs> Yes.
[02:01] <djm62> magog: VNC, if you want graphical stuff
[02:02] <carl> Bubbs, good.  run the installer, if you pick the wrong thing it will tell you "you are about to wipe/destroy/etc/..."
[02:02] <magog> djm62, yea i want to be able to transfer files and whatnot
[02:03] <poningru> does the device database actually help the devs?
[02:03] <Bubbs> Alright, just wanted to be sure, ^^; Thanks again.
[02:03] <djm62> magog: you want to enable samba sharing on the main box
[02:03] <carl> Bubbs, the setup will even let you resize an ntfs partition
[02:03] <djm62> magog: System->Administration->Shared Folders
[02:03] <carl> Bubbs, I added ubuntu to an XP box that had one big partition
[02:03] <nalioth> magog: vnc over ssh
[02:04] <somerville32> Hello
[02:04] <Bubbs> Yarr, install over the ntfs?
[02:04] <somerville32> Can someone help me get sound working?
[02:04] <viviana> hi
[02:04] <djm62> nalioth: I grabbed the wrong end of the stick...
[02:04] <nalioth> djm62: an electric stick?
[02:04] <poningru> somerville32: whats the prob?
[02:04] <carl> Bubbs, it let me shrink the ntfs partition and setup a new partition
[02:04] <djm62> nalioth: easier to tell the wrong end on them ;)
[02:04] <rok9> thechitowncubs: thanks, got it
[02:05] <somerville32> pooningru: No sound. I did nodprob sb. alsaconf says command not found
[02:05] <thechitowncubs> rok9: no problem
[02:05] <Bubbs> Ahh, sounds good. I also have a FAT32 partition, and some other pri/log option.
[02:05] <rok9> now how about playing .mp3 files, that in there too?
[02:05] <poningru> somerville32: you have ubuntu desktop installed right
[02:05] <somerville32> and alsamixer lsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[02:05] <djm62> magog: did you find that menu ok? is that what you wanted?
[02:05] <poningru> or just base?
[02:05] <rok9> music player says, no plugin
[02:05] <somerville32> I have kubuntu
[02:05] <viviana> hi, i was trying to get samba working, but , it seems imposible, tried a lot of guides but no use... so i was wondering, is there no other way to share files more easily?
[02:05] <djm62> !restricted
[02:05] <ubotu> it has been said that restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[02:06] <poningru> yeah I have no clue about kubuntu
[02:06] <djm62> rok9: follow the URL that ubotu just gave
[02:06] <poningru> try #kubuntu
[02:06] <somerville32> I did
[02:06] <somerville32> and kubuntu is ubuntu with a kde desktop
[02:06] <somerville32> So it shouldn't matter
[02:06] <carl> i got kismet from apt-get/universe.  do I need to patch the orinoco driver?
[02:06] <poningru> I know dude
[02:06] <djm62> somerville32: it does matter, they use different sound servers...
[02:06] <poningru> but the gui sound config is different
[02:07] <magog> hmm i got tightvnc off synaptic and it wont launch
[02:07] <Quest-Master> Someone help me quick
[02:07] <Quest-Master> There was a problem registering the panel with the bonobo-activation server.
[02:07] <Quest-Master> The error code is: 3
[02:07] <Quest-Master> The panel will now exit.
[02:08] <Quest-Master> I keep on getting this while my gnome-panel is trying to relaunch
[02:08] <djm62> magog: tightVNC enables you to remotely use a graphical desktop...I think I got your intention wrong and you want to have access to folders
[02:08] <Quest-Master> (Killed it because an installation of software required me to)
[02:08] <Quest-Master> How can I stop this?
[02:08] <Quest-Master> :(
[02:08] <djm62> magog: System->Administration->Shared folders
[02:09] <magog> djm62, can you suggest something, i wanna setup access from this box to my laptop and vice versa, it doesent show in shared
[02:09] <carl> what other wifi dection apps are there?
[02:09] <viviana> can anyone help me setting up an FTP server?
[02:10] <djm62> magog: tell me what you've done, do you have the "shared folders settings" window in front of you?
[02:11] <magog> says i have to install it first and closed
[02:11] <djm62> magog: do you know how to install packages? if so, install samba and samba-common
[02:11] <magog> k
[02:13] <magog> ok now im in the settings
[02:14] <nalioth> anyone know a text editor that shows line numbers?
[02:14] <sysrq> gedit can
[02:14] <djm62> that was quick...now add whatever folder you want to share...you can share your home folder, or a sub-folder (use Places->Home to open your home directory and make one specially if you like)
[02:14] <moof119> hey, does anyone know how to set up a network between ubuntu and xp?
[02:15] <viviana> i just need to make file transfer posible in a local network , dont mind if it is samba, ftp or anything, plz help...
[02:15] <magog> yea but that would show on all the boxes on my network, and i dont see password settings, cant i SSH into this box or something?
[02:15] <mcliber> hello
[02:15] <djm62> magog: if you install ssh, yes you can
[02:16] <magog>  k, i think im gonna give that a shot
[02:16] <djm62> magog: the package called ssh includes the server, and you can use putty, and friends psftp and pscp to transfer about windows
[02:16] <djs> moof119: if you mean for sharing files, look at samba ...
[02:16] <nalioth> sysrq: thx
[02:16] <magog> heh
[02:17] <moof119> ok
[02:17] <djs> !samba
[02:17] <ubotu> well, samba is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SettingUpSamba
[02:17] <moof119> thanks
[02:17] <chadwill> how di i exit/kill  X server?  i need to install nvidia driver
[02:17] <viviana> sniff... :S
[02:17] <djs> moof119: np :)
[02:18] <poningru> chadwill: ctrl+alt+f4
[02:18] <poningru> iirc
[02:18] <poningru> chadwill: ctrl+shift+f4
[02:18] <poningru> it might be that
[02:18] <poningru> dont remember
[02:19] <chadwill> btw.. i tried to run glxgears.. and it ran fine.. do i still need to install driver?
[02:24] <stevenj> I am trying to install clearlooks 0.6.1 and I get configure: error: /bin/sh ./config.sub i686-pc-linux- failed -- any ideas?
[02:24] <Zodiac> sup dawgs
[02:25] <Zodiac> How is everyone doing?
[02:25] <Seveas> stevenj, try apt-get build-dep clearlooks
[02:25] <carl> kismet readme says "put your card in monitor mode" - anyone know how to do that?
[02:25] <cthulfuego> carl: Make sure the driver for your card supports it. What card do you have?
[02:25] <Seveas> stevenj, try apt-get build-dep gtk2-engines-clearlooks
[02:25] <Seveas> it'll install all you need to build clearlooks
[02:25] <Zodiac> Can you guys hear me?
[02:26] <cthulfuego> stevenj: Best bet is to not install stuff outside the package syste,
[02:26] <exjinn> is there a list somewhere to find out if your card supports that mode?
[02:26] <Seveas> Zodiac, unfortunately not
[02:26] <cthulfuego> Zodiac: Yes, we're just ignoreing you.
[02:26] <Zodiac> ha ha
[02:26] <carl> cthulfuego, I have an Orinoco gold and an Atmel at76c50x
[02:26] <cthulfuego> carl: The orinoco driver would require patching before monitor mode would work.
[02:26] <Zodiac> Okay, I was getting some weird error from the server
[02:26] <Zodiac> ah well
[02:26] <Razor-X> Seveas: can you help me with some LaTeX math?
[02:26] <stevenj> cthulfuego, I see--do you suggest not using backports as well right now?
[02:27] <carl> cthulfuego, I have about 20 min before I have to give this box back.  any idea of something I can get up quicker?
[02:27] <cthulfuego> stevenj: Backports are at least IN the package syste,/
[02:27] <carl> even if it isn't as good, cuz I don't see getting kismet up in time
[02:27] <cthulfuego> carl: Nah, they'll all need a specific driver. Maybe find an aironet card...
[02:27] <djm62> Razor-X: http://www-h.eng.cam.ac.uk/help/tpl/textprocessing/latex_maths+pix/latex_maths+pix.html
[02:28] <djm62> Razor-X: if it isn't what you need, it probably has links to it
[02:28] <chadwill> ctrl+shift+f4 dint work..i came to a cmd promt..but nvida installer still said x server was running
[02:28] <stevenj> cthulfuego, for some everything works fine in backports; however when I dist-upgrade firefore it gives an error
[02:29] <Razor-X> djm62: I know how, I was just having trouble ;)
[02:29] <Razor-X> but, nevermind, I found my mistake
[02:29] <stevenj> cthulfuego, I cant tpye today sorry
[02:29] <AMDXP> man i am loving these window managers
[02:29] <Zodiac> Did the new kernel update already come down to Ubuntu?
[02:29] <carl> cthulfuego, watch iwconfig eth1 is a step in the right direction
[02:29] <djm62> Razor-X: it's still a handy link to know ;)
[02:29] <Razor-X> djm62: hehe, ok
[02:29] <poningru> chadwill: do a ps aux
[02:29] <djm62> I find myself faced with remembering the equations XOR remembering how to typeset them
[02:30] <bestadvocate> hello everyone
[02:30] <Razor-X> djm62: these are notes from (simple) Algebra II
[02:30] <Razor-X> my school won't let me go ahead, even though I know more
[02:30] <chadwill> ps aux?
[02:30] <stevenj> Seveas, thanks...that installs the other things I need right?
[02:30] <poningru> yeah
[02:30] <poningru> type in ps aux
[02:30] <djm62> touch ye not the quaternions, nor even the least spun spinor
[02:30] <wolf5934> hrm looks like new breezy libX11.so breaks Azureus's libswt :(
[02:30] <Razor-X> so, i've bought a book, and i'm going to try and take the AP test
[02:30] <poningru> and kill xserver
[02:30] <bestadvocate> anyone running an AMD64 breezy?  Because "base-files" wont upgrade on my computer.
[02:30] <chadwill> did
[02:31] <nalioth> Razor-X: AP?
[02:31] <Diablo-D3> Microsoft spams IRC networks: http://shadowconflict.blogspot.com/2005/06/microsoft-spams-spanish-irc-network.html
[02:31] <poningru> now type kill XXXX
[02:31] <Diablo-D3> says linux is bad
[02:31] <poningru> the xxxx = the pid of xserver
[02:31] <chadwill> k
[02:32] <Razor-X> nalioth: Advanced Placement
[02:32] <bestadvocate> anyone else have this problem?
[02:32] <Razor-X> the lowest AP course is Calculus AB
[02:32] <bestadvocate> anyone witht the same system?
[02:32] <Razor-X> in math, I mean
[02:32] <chadwill> oh..and how can i start x sever again? without restarting comp..heh
[02:32] <Kyral> ctrl-alt-backspace
[02:32] <poningru> Razor-X: no the lowest ap course in math is stat
[02:32] <Razor-X> poningru: really?
[02:32] <poningru> yep
[02:32] <Razor-X> that... shit... course is an AP?
[02:32] <stevenj> Seveas, that seemed to work
[02:33] <poningru> yep
[02:33] <djm62> Diablo-D3: nobody cares less than us :-/
[02:33] <poningru> statistics
[02:33] <Razor-X> wow... sad
[02:33] <Razor-X> Statistics is the saddest course ever
[02:33] <poningru> got a 4 on that
[02:33] <Razor-X> i'm not gonna need it in what i'm majoring in! ;)
[02:33] <poningru> never even touched the book
[02:33] <poningru> what are you majoring in?
[02:33] <djm62> statistics has its moments
[02:33] <bestadvocate> anyone running breezy on an AMD64?
[02:33] <Razor-X> poningru: hoping to major in (still in HS) Pure Math ;)
[02:34] <cthulfuego> bestadvocate: I was, but it broke.
[02:34] <poningru> heh you might need stat then
[02:34] <Razor-X> statistics has uses in Microbiology and stuff like that, but not in Pure Math
[02:34] <poningru> which college you going to
[02:34] <Razor-X> shooting for the top, if possible ;)
[02:34] <bestadvocate> cthulfuego: broke on "base-files"?
[02:34] <djm62> Razor-X: probability theory is still debatable in many contexts...
[02:34] <Razor-X> that's the thing, my HS holds me back
[02:34] <Razor-X> and i'm tired of it!
[02:34] <cthulfuego> bestadvocate: No, gnome won't start the panel anymore
[02:34] <AMDXP> djm62: you are right it has its moments
[02:34] <poningru> they will require atleast some courses in stat
[02:35] <Razor-X> djm62: I'll look into it
[02:35] <poningru> so get it out of the way in HS
[02:35] <djm62> I can't believe I'm defending stats!
[02:35] <Razor-X> poningru: well, i'll take Stats later then
[02:35] <AMDXP> djm62: yes u are LOL
[02:35] <djm62> Razor-X: bayesian inference is your daddy
[02:35] <bestadvocate> cthulfego: I had that problem once and all I did was delete all of the configuration files for gnome and it worked fine after that
[02:35] <Razor-X> Calculus is way funner (yes, I used funner)
[02:35] <HrdwrBoB> Razor-X: funner? english is certainly not your strong point ;)
[02:35] <AMDXP> Razor-X: i need to refresh my math skills
[02:36] <djm62> anyway, enough social seppuku
[02:36] <bestadvocate> cthulfuego: cause then gnome re-makes them automatically
[02:36] <Razor-X> AMDXP: heh
[02:36] <AMDXP> but linux has taken up my time
[02:36] <djm62> it's late in scotland, goodnght
[02:36] <Razor-X> HrdwrBoB: either that, or i'm intentionally saying funner ;)
[02:36] <Razor-X> I have Honors English too, but it's a real battle for me
[02:36] <Razor-X> because I have really weak Expos writing
[02:36] <HrdwrBoB> I do english recreationally
[02:36] <nalioth> i'm a graduate of the skewl of hard knox
[02:36] <Razor-X> my fiction is real good though, or so my teachers/friends say
[02:36] <bestadvocate> damn so no one is currently running breezy on an AMD64?
[02:37] <Heko> i am
[02:37] <nalioth> bestadvocate: evidentally there are no daredevils in here
[02:37] <Heko> is breezy == whorey hudgehug?
[02:37] <bestadvocate> Heko: are you haveing trouble updating the base-files file
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> bestadvocate: generally people aren't running breezy yet
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> bestadvocate: it's not runnable
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> ibn the general case
[02:37] <HrdwrBoB> Heko: breezy is the next version
[02:38] <Heko> nevermind then :)
[02:38] <bestadvocate> oh crajapers
[02:38] <bestadvocate> i guess i jumped the gun then.
[02:38] <HrdwrBoB> yes, just a bit :)
[02:38] <bestadvocate> off to buzilla i go then, thanks guys
[02:39] <Razor-X> why can't I get \bigg to work!!
[02:39] <JonA> bestadvocate: I'm running breezy/AMD64.
[02:39] <boodle> breezy safe enough to run without much futzing?
[02:39] <HrdwrBoB> no
[02:39] <bestadvocate> JonA: have you had trouble upgradeing the base-files file?
[02:39] <JonA> bestadvocate: Though certainly not as my regular desktop, it's a little unstable.
[02:40] <boodle> ty
[02:40] <JonA> bestadvocate: No, but I upgraded a couple of weeks ago and haven't touched it since.
[02:40] <rok9> is there a wireless pcmcia faq?
[02:40] <exjinn> rok...installing or what?
[02:41] <rok9> yea installing
[02:41] <rok9> its listed in lspci
[02:41] <bestadvocate> ahh.  well  thanks JonA, i shall search for a bug.  I always like to see if others are having the same problem as me first before I file a Bug because i modify my computer so much that I may be fileing a bug for something I messed up on my own
[02:41] <boodle> rok9 http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/Wireless.html
[02:41] <JonA> bestadvocate: Fair enough :-)
[02:41] <Razor-X> every time the professor speaks (I'm taking a summer course at college, and the professor's cool too (he explains a lot about math, not just covers exactly what we need to know (yes these are nested parentheses)) and says "No" he sounds like Palpatine saying "No, No, NO" when he's speaking to Mace in Episode III ;)
[02:41] <exjinn> you probably just need to use ndiswrapper give me a min with links
[02:42] <Razor-X> I missed a close parentheses
[02:42] <Razor-X> *)))
[02:42] <nalioth> Razor-X: are you paying attention?
[02:42] <Razor-X> nalioth: if you're PMing me, no
[02:42] <Heart_2> how can i change utf-8 to iso-....?
[02:43] <kvidell> teaspoon of sugar
[02:43] <rok9> thanks boodle
[02:43] <exjinn> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31094&highlight=wireless
[02:43] <boodle>  np
[02:44] <boodle> right, gave a bit, took little. I'd say even.. chou
[02:44] <montecristo> i was setting up samba
[02:44] <Razor-X> hmmm...
[02:45] <Razor-X> i'm starting to find the disadvantages to placing a sexy picture in your terminal background....
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> haha
[02:45] <HrdwrBoB> your wife whinges?
[02:45] <exjinn> little distracted? :)
[02:45] <montecristo> and i entered system-administration-shared folders
[02:45] <Razor-X> exjinn: yes ;)
[02:46] <Razor-X> but what's sucking is, my emacs muscle memory and my terminal muscle memory are conflicting
[02:46] <montecristo> there is a display of the shared folders, but when i go to network and try to access myself or any other linux pc, tells me
[02:46] <nalioth> Razor-X: if your terminal bkgd is repulsive, you won't want to work at all
[02:46] <Razor-X> I think I need to program emacs movement into my .bashrc
[02:46] <Razor-X> nalioth: really?
[02:46] <chadwill> nope the kill #### ..just sent me to login...:/
[02:46] <montecristo> nothing.... :S :S
[02:46] <montecristo> there is nothing there...
[02:46] <Razor-X> Eterm is so cool
[02:46] <montecristo> can anyone help me_
[02:46] <montecristo> ?
[02:47] <Razor-X> IMO, the main advantage to compiling is not the major amount of features, it's the little icon I get ;)
[02:47] <bestadvocate> JonA: dont upgrade your breezy, its a bug thats already been filed
[02:47] <nalioth> Razor-X: must be a x86 thang, cuz i got no icon
[02:48] <Razor-X> nalioth: you aren't on x86? PPC?
[02:48] <Razor-X> did you compile yours with twin support, nalioth?
[02:49] <AMDXP> ok my digital camera is picked up in gnome but not in fluxbox
[02:49] <exjinn> amdxp fluxbox doesn't automount
[02:49] <exjinn> try using command line and cd into the directory
[02:49] <exjinn> cd /mount/camera or whatever its usually called
[02:49] <chadwill> x-session-manager... was the proc i killed..maybe wrong one?
[02:50] <flankk> the more i follow the GNU values, the more i see it encompassing a support for piracy.
[02:50] <AMDXP> its called digikam
[02:50] <flankk> "No matter what sort of published information is being shared, we urge people to reject the assumption that some person or company has a natural right to prohibit sharing and dictate exactly how the public can use it."
[02:50] <shido> anyone know hwo to configure a msi tv@nywhere card in ubuntu
[02:50] <shido> I see lsmod has the modules loaded
[02:50] <DanielHolth> hooray ubuntu.
[02:50] <Razor-X> flankk: if you prefer a monopolistic environment for distribution, you may think it promotes piracy
[02:50] <rok9> which one of those linux software is good to install to manage a wireless card?
[02:50] <DanielHolth> I wonder whether any progress is being made for not waiting 60 seconds when eth0 isn't plugged in.
[02:50] <DanielHolth> useful on, say, laptops.
[02:51] <flankk> Razor-X, as opposed to the hippy perspective?
[02:51] <exjinn> rok9 wifi-radar
[02:51] <montecristo> :(
[02:51] <Razor-X> flankk: not at all, frankly, I believen Open Capitaism has many holes
[02:51] <rok9> exjinn: is there an apt package for that?
[02:52] <Razor-X> Anti-Trust laws try and counter some of the negative effects, but I still feel capitalism can be improved
[02:52] <exjinn> no but there are deb packages on the site
[02:52] <bestadvocate> here's to socialist libertariansim
[02:52] <_kevin> Anyone know a program with a g.u.i for verifying sfv files
[02:52] <exjinn> http://www.bitbuilder.com/wifi_radar/
[02:52] <flankk> Razor-X, "No matter what sort" so i can copy my video collection and sell it to my friends?
[02:52] <bestadvocate> ;)
[02:52] <_kevin> Also i get and CRC failed error when extracting a file.. it's 99% complete.. is ther a way to extract that 99% of the file
[02:52] <Razor-X> _kevin: something trivial like that is not available in Linux in GUI
[02:52] <djs> DanielHolth: I just <CTRL>-C during that part of the boot sequence if my eth isn't connected
[02:53] <exjinn> you will have to do sudo dpkg -i packagename to install it
[02:53] <bestadvocate> flankk: i got no problem with that
[02:53] <Razor-X> flankk: no, so that everything is bound up in miles of copyright
[02:53] <montecristo> damn... some help plz?
[02:53] <DanielHolth> djs that is bollocks
[02:53] <IIIEars> the only holes worth mentioning are in the redmond OS. - only good for gaming. If it is an inferior design or just a popular target for hackers can be debated.
[02:53] <flankk> Razor-X, yes, and the GNU values in that quote clearly say that is opressive
[02:53] <Razor-X> flankk: not really
[02:53] <chadwill> any1? what is the proc name for x-server?
[02:53] <shift-u> hello everyone
[02:53] <Razor-X> I don't want my software in miles of copyright
[02:54] <bestadvocate> hello shifty-u
[02:54] <DanielHolth> djs the distro I use asks the ethernet interface whether it has something plugged into it, and if not it doesn't dhcpcd and it also doesn't start anything that requerise eth0
[02:54] <flankk> Razor-X, it is rather blatant..
[02:54] <Razor-X> do you really think, because of new technology, scents should be copyrighted?
[02:54] <IIIEars> What happens if a vital piece of code can be copyrighted? (shudder)
[02:54] <Razor-X> for the love of god, the _Birthday Song_ is copyrighted
[02:54] <Razor-X> and, it can't be sung on TV any more
[02:54] <DanielHolth> djs but I am rather frustrated with the general "if it can possibly work out of the box, it won't" philosophy of my current distro.
[02:54] <Razor-X> if you support that, go ahead
[02:54] <_kevin> i get a CRC failed error when extracting a file.. it's 99% complete.. is there a way to extract that 99% of the file, the normal program with ubuntu doesn't allow it
[02:55] <Razor-X> but we, the GNU community, will battle your kind ;)
[02:55] <DanielHolth> djs so yay ubuntu. filed a -usability- bug and it was fixed. amazing.
[02:55] <flankk> Razor-X, good, the creator/owner has merit to restrict the birthday song if he/she so wishes, who gives a shit about popularity.
[02:55] <Razor-X> _kevin: no, it's not, neither is it in Windows
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> DanielHolth: that's because that's what ubuntu is :)
[02:55] <ninwa> Does changing the nameserver in resolve.conf have imediate effect or do I have to restart my net interface?
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> ninwa: immediate
[02:55] <HrdwrBoB> except for firefox
[02:55] <_kevin> Razor-X don't make claims that you can't back up, becasue Winrar can do it
[02:55] <shift-u> I'm just trying ubuntu, comming from my experience from Debian.... Could it be possible that Xorg has more definition in fonts...?
[02:55] <ninwa> HrdwrBoB, Do I just close and reopen firefox?
[02:56] <Razor-X> _kevin: if it has a CRC error, are you sure?
[02:56] <HrdwrBoB> ninwa: yep
[02:56] <ninwa> groovy
[02:56] <IIIEars> flankk - Wake up! - service - not code copyrights.
[02:56] <flankk> Razor-X, i agree with GNU on some of their stronger ideals, but some of the areas of copyleft are just extreme.
[02:56] <Razor-X> 99% progress can also be an error in a program, in those cases, it can't
[02:56] <ninwa> I was fed up with my ISP's DNS, was far too slow
[02:56] <_kevin> it has it means that the whole file didn't download
[02:56] <flankk> IIIEars, clarify?
[02:56] <ninwa> took 10 seconds to resolve google.com
[02:56] <_kevin> i have 99% of the file
[02:56] <_kevin> it a rar file
[02:56] <Razor-X> flankk: not at all, I support GNU and their ideal that the world should be much free-er of ambition
[02:57] <IIIEars> service the customer. - not hinder others use of code. - there are some things that can be done efficiently just one way.
[02:57] <Razor-X> _kevin; and what would happen if that 1% would be the RAR index? would WinRAR be able to extract thaht? no
[02:57] <Razor-X> and that's why, it's usually deprecated from the onset, _kevin
[02:57] <_kevin> hello in the rar their are other files that extract
[02:57] <flankk> IIIEars, define 'service'
[02:57] <Razor-X> _kevin: ........... do you know what a RAR index is?
[02:57] <_kevin> so you just got out smarted right their
[02:57] <Razor-X> or an archive's index?
[02:58] <rok9> ok so i have my wireless card in my lspci, installed wifi radar ... do i still need a driver for my wireless card?
[02:58] <Razor-X> _kevin: please use propper grammer ("there") before I consider being outsmarted
[02:58] <exjinn> if wifi-radar sees it its installed
[02:58] <IIIEars> flankk -when i need a download or if i need help using an application. $$
[02:58] <flankk> Razor-X, wot iz grammer
[02:58] <ksmurf> hello all.  I'm a bit of a noob to Ubuntu and linux and am having one hell of a time tring to set up my serial wacom graphire.  I have tried all the how-to's out there to the best of my ability and cannot get my seirial grapics pad reconized let alone use it.  I am using 2.6.10-5 as my kernel.  Is there anyone here that can give me advice or walk me through it PLEASE?
[02:58] <exjinn> are you getting a signal, are the lights on your card on?
[02:58] <Razor-X> flankk: misa no notsa
[02:58] <rok9> power light only, no wireless detected
[02:58] <_kevin> it's a rar file with other files, the other files open and of them is 99% complete
[02:59] <_kevin> but i should be able to extract the 99% that is their
[02:59] <crazyhorse> a friendly good morning there :)
[02:59] <exjinn> are you using that machine?
[02:59] <flankk> IIIEars, and your point is.. a service.. what? can you make a statement out of it?
[02:59] <exjinn> if so I'm not sure your card will activate if you are already using a net connection
[02:59] <Razor-X> _kevin: an archive consists of an index, so that the archive can specify to the decompressor where the bits of compressed data as, and what that data refers to
[02:59] <_kevin> CRC failed
[02:59] <_kevin> is that i get
[02:59] <IIIEars> flankk - brb
[02:59] <exjinn> somebody help me out if I'm missing something
[03:00] <rok9> exjinn: ahh .. i'll pull out my ethernet, and look at my interfaces file etc ...
[03:00] <Razor-X> if that index is not downloaded, there's no way to extract the archive
[03:00] <montecristo> OK! GOT THE ERROR! :d
[03:00] <exjinn> wait a sec
[03:00] <montecristo> can somebody send me smb.conf??
[03:00] <montecristo> it has a missing section
[03:00] <Razor-X> montecristo: google online for it
[03:00] <Razor-X> I'll bet _someone_ has one
[03:00] <montecristo> Razor-X, ok
[03:00] <Razor-X> ;0-
[03:00] <Razor-X> *;)
[03:00] <_kevin> Razor-X: It's CRC Failed Error
[03:01] <exjinn> if you are using gnome, remove the ethernet card, then go to system>administration>networking and activate the wlan interface
[03:01] <rok9> eth1 isn't in my interfaces file, do i need to manually add it?
[03:01] <chase> does anyone know if Evolution 2 can decrypt gpg/pgp encoded emails? the only options ive found so far are for signing be default
[03:01] <rok9> ok let me try it from there
[03:01] <Razor-X> _kevin: a CRC check checks against the signature of the archive to see whether the archive is valid or not
[03:01] <crazyhorse> chase, sure it can
[03:01] <DanielHolth> chase yes I have used gpg with evolution fine
[03:01] <exjinn> eth1? it should be wlan0 or something
[03:01] <_kevin> Razor-X: CAn i turn it off?
[03:01] <Razor-X> nopes
[03:01] <DanielHolth> but mozilla thunderbird's enigmail is six times more advanced at doing that
[03:01] <Razor-X> at least, I don't think so, but read the man page just in case
[03:01] <_kevin> Razor-X: Is their a program that doesn't have a CRC checker
[03:02] <chase> DanielHolth, i cant decrypt my mail, ive set up the key and gpg but i just get the raw pgp email
[03:02] <Razor-X> google it, i'm not sure, there probably is one, but I don't know if it can extract it or not
[03:02] <rok9> exjinn: i don't have wlan0 listed (or eth1) ... just lo and eth0
[03:02] <rok9> exjinn: so maybe i need a driver installed?
[03:02] <crazyhorse> chase, edit->preferences->mail account->edit->security
[03:02] <exjinn> did you run ndiswrapper -m?
[03:02] <rok9> no
[03:02] <DanielHolth> chase perhaps you have not associated the gpg key with your account?
[03:02] <exjinn> sudo ndiswrapper -m
[03:02] <exjinn> it should add the wlan0
[03:02] <HippoSaur> HEy im about to burn ubunto on a cd =P hmm one question doh =P If i remove my hardisk with windows and install Ubuntu on another disk...will Ubuntu change the bios so that the other disk wont work when i set it as master =P
[03:02] <_kevin> google is the solution for everything here
[03:03] <DanielHolth> ... now it is true that evolution does not produce the older pgp style mails.
[03:03] <Burrito> hi
[03:03] <chase> crazyhorse, ive set up the key ID in the sercurity tab
[03:03] <HippoSaur> Ho
[03:03] <rok9> exjinn: dont' have that installed
[03:03] <Burrito> can sombody help me aout?
[03:03] <Burrito> out?
[03:03] <DanielHolth> chase unfortunately I do not have my own gpg working after a hard drive crash, so I cannot give detailed help to you.
[03:03] <Razor-X> _kevin: it definitely is
[03:03] <ksmurf> hello all.  I'm a bit of a noob to Ubuntu and linux and am having one hell of a time tring to set up my serial wacom graphire.  I have tried all the how-to's out there to the best of my ability and cannot get my seirial grapics pad reconized let alone use it.  I am using 2.6.10-5 as my kernel.  Is there anyone here that can give me advice or walk me through it PLEASE?
[03:03] <rok9> i'm installing ndiswrapper-utils
[03:03] <sysrq> Burrito: ask your question not a meta question
[03:03] <Razor-X> google has just about everything
[03:03] <chase> there isnt even a encrypt/decrypt option on the tool bars
[03:04] <exjinn> but your card is showing in wifi-radar?
[03:04] <rok9> no
[03:04] <Razor-X> ksmurf: wait around, if someone knows it, they'll answer
[03:04] <ksmurf> Thanks Razor
[03:04] <Razor-X> or, if no-one knows it now, come back later and ask the question
[03:04] <exjinn> ah I thought you said it was
[03:04] <crazyhorse> chase, than you should have an option in security->encrypt|sign etc when writing a new mail
[03:04] <flankk> "An ordinary reader, who did not own a printing press, could copy books only with pen and ink, and few readers were sued for that."
[03:04] <bestadvocate> do you guys read the sounder digest?   its rather scanellous this time round
[03:04] <HippoSaur> any one will ubuntu change my bios =P
[03:04] <concept10> ksmurf, if no one has replied you should start looking around for that info
[03:04] <exjinn> go here: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php?Installation
[03:04] <exjinn> read it, follow the instructions to the letter
[03:04] <flankk> Tonnes of people have been sued for plagiarism.
[03:04] <concept10> ksmurf, what is it called again?
[03:04] <rok9> k
[03:04] <IIIEars> Are the Ubuntu repositories md5 sums checking out cleanly?
[03:05] <chase> crazyhorse, ye i have them, but still nothing to decrypt emails
[03:05] <montecristo> cant find it :S
[03:05] <sysrq> chase: you need the persons key to decrypt emails from them
[03:05] <montecristo> plz , somebody send it to me ;S
[03:05] <exjinn> one thing though, you can apt-get the ndiswrapper-utils and ndiswrapper-source packages
[03:05] <ksmurf> wacom graphire Serial... not usb... I don't even know how to check to see if my serials are working in ubuntu
[03:05] <crazyhorse> chase, mh. what happens if you receive an encrypted message?
[03:05] <montecristo> smb.conf
[03:05] <exjinn> so you don't have to build them yourself
[03:05] <HippoSaur> uhm thanks I guess =P
[03:05] <rok9> i already did that and installed them
[03:06] <chase> sysrq, ye i have them, ive managed to read the email in other mail clients like kmail
[03:06] <amonkey> one of my cdroms won't eject, unable to open /dev/hda
[03:06] <rok9> so i dont' need to csv ?
[03:06] <chase> crazyhorse, hold on a sec...
[03:06] <exjinn> god I love streamtuner
[03:06] <sysrq> chase: if you were using mutt I could help you, I tend to avoid evolution and kmail
[03:06] <Razor-X> amonkey: /msg Burrito splashy?
[03:06] <Razor-X> errr!
[03:07] <Razor-X> haha ;)
[03:07] <Razor-X> that has to be the best slip-up yet
[03:07] <crazyhorse> chase, sure
[03:07] <sysrq> chase: really evolutions channel/mailing list or if the gpg functionality is a plugin of some type thier channel/list is the place for these queries, not here
[03:07] <amonkey> Razor-X, ???
[03:07] <exjinn> rok0 no csv
[03:07] <Razor-X> amonkey: nevermind
[03:07] <exjinn> apt-get is fine
[03:07] <Razor-X> amonkey: I think so
[03:07] <flankk> "The owner can lose only if the person who made the copy would otherwise have paid for one from the owner."
[03:07] <flankk> Or if you sell copies..
[03:08] <chase> crazyhorse, http://www.iduniken.com/Screenshot.png thats a shot from when i open an encrypted email
[03:08] <sysrq> flankk: what does this have to do with ubuntu related support?
[03:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> transgress are you there?>
[03:08] <exjinn> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31094&highlight=ndiswrapper
[03:08] <flankk> sysrq, sorry, i guess i'll head to #ubuntu-discussion -.-
[03:09] <chase> sysrq, i see your point, i was just wondering if it was something to do with the unbuntu distrobustion of the package
[03:09] <concept10> ksmurf, http://www.google.com/search?hs=RpB&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=wacom+graphic+linux+serial&btnG=Search
[03:11] <IIIEars> DMA for DVD/CDROM command syntax?
[03:11] <HrdwrBoB> hdparm -d1 /dev/device
[03:11] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[03:11] <Amaranth> bad RAM, can't start X :/
[03:11] <IIIEars> HrdwrBoB - Thank You!  :)
[03:12] <HrdwrBoB> IIIEars: no worries
[03:12] <concept10> chase, what are you trying to do again?
[03:12] <gek> anyone know how to get movies to stretch when i go to fullscreen mode in mplayer? whats the point in fullscreen if it dosnt stretch?
[03:12] <chase> concept10, read pgp/gpg encrypted email
[03:13] <cyphase> hey everyone
[03:13] <concept10> chase pm me
[03:14] <DanielHolth> gek you want to distort letterboxing?
[03:14] <DanielHolth> or you are pressing 'f' and it is just a box surrounded by black?
[03:15] <gek> yeah, just the video the same size, sourrounded by black
[03:15] <Codeman7> Hello
[03:16] <gek> i want a fullscreen image, not just a black screen + same size video
[03:16] <ksmurf> k concept10
[03:16] <sysrq> gek: try using sdl or gl as your video out
[03:16] <Piratero> hi guys
[03:16] <Piratero> http://rafb.net/paste/results/8g8Lab56.html
[03:16] <starshine> hi Piratero
[03:16] <ksmurf> I found that it is inputing on ttyS0
[03:16] <Piratero> hey there starshine
[03:16] <IIIEars> << Newbie "rite of passage" - munged ubuntu with an unfamiliar app that starts from god knows where refuses to die. - lol
[03:17] <montecristo> pllllzzzz... need that file, got a guide where it says how is it structured, but the file is corrupt :S
[03:17] <Xenguy> Hello all - I have done my first install of Hoary at work, and I just want to congratulate anyone and everyone who has worked on this -- it's really very nice :-)
[03:17] <Piratero> hehe
[03:18] <ksmurf> I tried most of those how-too-s before I came to irc to ask ... I am hoping for more specific help
[03:18] <exjinn> xenguy: it is pretty sweet isn't it? I migrated from Kanotix
[03:18] <starshine> Piratero just installed the ubuntu cd I gave him a couple days ago, he wants to be careful about what to uncomment in /etc/apt/sources.list...
[03:18] <gek> hmm... when i use gl it is all slow and freezy like in totem
[03:18] <gek> well with totem-gstreamer thats how it is, with totem-xine it just crashes
[03:18] <ksmurf> can a person heave more than one mouse in xorg ... eg. a ps 2 and a serial?
[03:19] <Xenguy> I'd like to set up Samba so I can see my network drives at work; does anyone know if I can do this if they are using a Novell network ?
[03:19] <DanielHolth> ksmurf oh yes they can
[03:19] <DanielHolth> on laptops pad and usb mouse together is very very common
[03:19] <DanielHolth> plug ten usb keyboards in they will all work
[03:19] <DanielHolth> same with mice
[03:19] <DanielHolth> I recommend the apple keyboard.
[03:19] <Maeth> there
[03:20] <starshine> ksmurf: try using /dev/input/mice ?
[03:20] <ksmurf> thanks Daniel... I'm 5% there.. I now know that my grapics pad is on /dev/ttys0
[03:20] <nalioth> DanielHolth: why an apple kb?
[03:20] <DanielHolth> nalioth because it is very high quality.
[03:20] <ksmurf> starshine i will when i find out more info
[03:20] <DanielHolth> easy to type on.
[03:21] <DanielHolth> and you can rearrange the keys to form a dvorak keyboard!
[03:21] <DanielHolth> unlike my old logitech
[03:21] <DanielHolth> also it has a handy usb hub in it.
[03:21] <DanielHolth> I switched to the apple keyboard!
[03:21] <nalioth> DanielHolth: i like the clickety IBM type, unfortunately i can't find any with USB
[03:21] <DanielHolth> :-)
[03:21] <starshine> ksmurf: plain usb mice mainly enjoy the ps2 driver, so they can be "lumped together" via the (kernel's) input interface that way
[03:22] <rc51woody> evening room
[03:22] <DanielHolth> nalioth you mean the ones that go "crunch crunch" every time you press a key, and weigh twenty pounds? I remember those!
[03:22] <nalioth> DanielHolth: i use apple keyboards, too <grin> i have 2 macs
[03:22] <starshine> nalioth: I have one of those
[03:22] <nalioth> DanielHolth: yes, the touchtypists best friend
[03:22] <DanielHolth> nalioth if you have two of the old mini kb's, you can do a split keyboard with them. it's a cool way to type.
[03:22] <starshine> very popular at my netlounge :)
[03:22] <ksmurf> thanks star but it's my serial grapics pad that's the problem not the ps2
[03:22] <nalioth> starshine: the old ancient IBM kbs? or apples?
[03:23] <starshine> ksmurf: you can have multiple input devices, X has supported those for years and I'm rather sure xorg doesn't break that
[03:23] <rok9> exjinn: thanks, got everything working now wireless :)
[03:23] <starshine> nalioth: *grin* both!
[03:23] <exjinn> rok9 I'm glad to hear it
[03:23] <exjinn> it gave me a headache for a couple of days :)
[03:23] <starshine> Piratero: ask your question, someone will answer
[03:23] <nalioth> starshine: reckon so
[03:24] <Piratero> starshine: i will, soon -- brb
[03:24] <Piratero> starshine: i might as well rtfm
[03:24] <DanielHolth> nalioth do you have a good keymapping for the apple white + clear usb keyboard in X11?
[03:24] <DanielHolth> nalioth I could not get one quite figured out. I want my non-existent numlock key to act that way, and f13-f16 to work, and volume and eject to do cool things.
[03:24] <starshine> Piratero: ah. that paste url you gave tells me not found :/
[03:24] <nalioth> DanielHolth: no. but i'd like to find one. my number pad goes unrecognized, and i'm falling out of practice with it
[03:25] <DanielHolth> you can press 'clear' and the numbers will work.
[03:25] <rc51woody> awesome!!! i plugged my usb drive in and bam it pops up on my desktop
[03:25] <DanielHolth> it is the same keycode as numlock
[03:25] <DanielHolth> same as other similar-position kes
[03:25] <starshine> Piratero: never mind, mouse ate the "l" on html :)
[03:25] <gm78> Why does irc.freenode.net allow me to connect without entering my password?
[03:25] <DanielHolth> nalioth maybe we can make one
[03:25] <DanielHolth> I had the keycodes figured out but then loading them was hell
[03:25] <nalioth> DanielHolth: were you addressing the 'clear' comment to me?
[03:25] <DanielHolth> nalioth yes.
[03:26] <DanielHolth> nalioth 'clear' on a new apple keyboard is numlock if you plug it into a pc
[03:26] <nalioth> 659
[03:26] <rc51woody> question: when i double click on a mp3 it opens totem movie player
[03:26] <ksmurf> i'm going to experiment.... bbl
[03:26] <ksmurf> tahnk you again
[03:26] <ksmurf> thank
[03:26] <gm78> rc51woody : what do u want it to open?
[03:26] <nalioth> DanielHolth: i've got it plugged into a mac running ubuntu
[03:26] <DanielHolth> nalioth important if you want to play nethack.
[03:26] <DanielHolth> nalioth ah probably same problem eh?
[03:26] <rc51woody> for now i want it to open music player
[03:27] <nalioth> DanielHolth: "clear" does turn the numbers on (see above)
[03:27] <DanielHolth> nalioth I know. nifty eh?
[03:27] <nalioth> DanielHolth: but i want directions and all the rest
[03:27] <concept10> is inkblot in the repos?
[03:27] <DanielHolth> oh you want to be able to toggle it back and forth?
[03:27] <nalioth> concept10: yes
[03:27] <gm78> rc51woody : right click on the file, click properties, go to the "open with" tab, then click the little bubble next to Music Player to set it as the default for MP3's
[03:27] <nalioth> DanielHolth: i want to use the keyboard for what it was designed to do
[03:28] <DanielHolth> nalioth which directions are broken?
[03:28] <concept10> nalioth, i dont see it
[03:28] <rc51woody> GM78: too easy, thank you very much
[03:28] <rc51woody> whoops
[03:28] <starshine> will ppc ubuntu run on an early imac?
[03:28] <rc51woody> new question, my xmms locks up when i open it
[03:28] <starshine> one of the cute lil tv set types?
[03:29] <rc51woody> how do i unlock it
[03:29] <rc51woody> and then fix whatever is wrong
[03:29] <thenostradamus> rc51woody: is it when u try to play something?
[03:29] <nalioth> concept10: maybe not, i have wild repos (and use apt to build pkgs)
[03:29] <crush> laptop/bye
[03:29] <rc51woody> yes
[03:29] <cody_> Hi, how do I install the kernel source packages for the latest kernel?
[03:29] <thenostradamus> it's prolly ur sound system
[03:29] <rc51woody> it wont let me do anything now
[03:29] <nalioth> DanielHolth: my numberpad sends garbage to the screen (unless the clear is pushed)
[03:29] <ninwa> So I'm having DNS issues, or it would seem. It takes forever to lookup sites, regardless of which DNS server I use in my resolve.conf, however the other machines in the house (none other are linux) seem to be normal (normal being it doesn't take ten seconds to resolve a domain), anybody have any suggestions?
[03:30] <thenostradamus> pkill xmms
[03:30] <Rounin> Hey! Anyone know about a fix for the problem with mplayer and liba52 here?
[03:30] <Maeth> ok
[03:30] <Maeth> got the file
[03:30] <Maeth> i only got this error
[03:30] <Maeth> Error connecting to 127.0.0.1 (Connection refused)
[03:30] <Maeth> 9412: Connection to ronald failed
[03:31] <rc51woody> thanks thenostradomus
[03:31] <thenostradamus> np
[03:31] <nalioth> concept10: i show it available. do you have uni and multi enabled?
[03:31] <sysrq> Codeman7: apt-cache search linux-source
[03:31] <rc51woody> so whats wrong that it locks up?
[03:31] <_pax> how do i set my ip manualy?
[03:32] <thenostradamus> i think it has to do with the sound system only allowing one program to access ur soundcard at one time
[03:32] <thenostradamus> i've had that problem myself
[03:32] <concept10> nalioth, what is it listed as?
[03:32] <thenostradamus> but i'm relatively knew to linux
[03:32] <thenostradamus> i haven't been able to fix it yet
[03:32] <rc51woody> yes i recall now
[03:32] <thenostradamus> r u using kde?
[03:32] <Codeman7> sysrq: thanks! I have 2.6.10-5 ... will l-s-2.6.10 be the same?
[03:32] <rc51woody> there was something that i needed to do
[03:32] <ksmurf> thanks starshine (and all)
[03:32] <nalioth> concept10: i searched my apt-cache for inkscape
[03:32] <rc51woody> does anyone recall?
[03:32] <nalioth> concept10: and it came up
[03:33] <sysrq> Codeman7: it should be, why do you need the source if you are running the same version out of curiosity?
[03:33] <concept10> nalioth, inkblot is what I was looking for - it tells printer ink level
[03:33] <oga> when a manual refers to <hostname> what does that mean and how can I find out mine?
[03:33] <Codeman7> sysrq: Installing nVIDIA drivers, requries kernel source so it can build the module as it doesn't have a precompiled one
[03:34] <sysrq> Codeman7: no you don't, use linux-headers, but instead why not just use the ubuntu provided nvidia-glx and kernel module
[03:34] <rc51woody> XMMS question, are there any experts in the house?
[03:34] <nalioth> concept10: sorry can't read
[03:34] <Codeman7> sysrq: well, I upgraded the kernel through apt-get and now the nvidia driver wont' run, didn't realize there was an aptable driver
[03:34] <Codeman7> sysrq: I've been using linux lightly for the past few years, but never a Debian distro
[03:34] <concept10> nalioth, thats cool
[03:35] <concept10> does anyone know of any ink level apps?
[03:35] <sysrq> Codeman7: nvidia-glx, nvidia-kernel-common and the restructed modules for your kernel version should get everything working
[03:35] <concept10> rc51woody, whats the question
[03:35] <sysrq> *restricted
[03:35] <|QuaD-> anyone here using drivel?
[03:35] <Codeman7> sysrq: ok... I just have to update those then?
[03:35] <rc51woody> whenever i start it, it locks up and wont play
[03:35] <rc51woody> thinking its a sound cound issue
[03:36] <sysrq> Codeman7: or install them
[03:36] <X7C> reus r0x
[03:36] <Codeman7> sysrq: synaptic says they're already installed
[03:37] <rc51woody> ..
[03:38] <sysrq> Codeman7: nvidia-kernel, nvidia-glx, and the restricted-modules?
[03:38] <Codeman7> sysrq: I dunno.. it says sysrq: yeah
[03:38] <sysrq> Codeman7: and modprobe nvidia doesn't work?
[03:38] <exjinn> rc51woody, does it lock when first start playing or when the application starts it immediately locks?
[03:39] <Codeman7> sysrq: correct
[03:39] <rc51woody> never gets any sound... locks up right away
[03:39] <Codeman7> sysrq: I installed the nvidia driver with the NVIDIA installer from their website. Then upgraded the kernel.
[03:39] <Codeman7> sysrq: should I reinstall the nvidia drivers through apt?
[03:39] <rc51woody> i have it open now and it isnt locked
[03:39] <rc51woody> but if i hit play it will lock
[03:39] <exjinn> if you can start the application, don't press play go directly to the options and change the device output
[03:39] <sysrq> Codeman7: they will probably cause conflicts with the ubuntu packages
[03:40] <Codeman7> sysrq: the nvidia-installed ones?
[03:40] <sysrq> Codeman7: yes
[03:41] <Codeman7> sysrq: any idea how to uninstall those?
[03:42] <sysrq> Codeman7: pass --uninstall to the installer
[03:43] <rc51woody> exjinn: what device shoudl i choose
[03:43] <Codeman7> sysrq: thanks
[03:43] <exjinn> well that depends, if you have alsa working choose that, if not try OSS
[03:44] <kvidell> Walk on two legs, not on four. To walk on four legs breaks the law, and what happens when we break the law? what happens when the laws aren't fair? You get taken on a trip... to the house... to the house of _pain_
[03:44] <Codeman7> meh... sysrq: it claims they're not installed
[03:44] <sysrq> Codeman7: nice
[03:44] <Codeman7> sysrq: well, I guess I'll try just removing the nvidia drivers and then installing them again...
[03:44] <Codeman7> just to give it a shot
[03:44] <sysrq> Codeman7: that might be the best idea
[03:45] <Codeman7> sysrq: and if not, my reinstall of Ubuntu will just happen tonight instead of once I'm done screwing with everything I can
[03:45] <kikkoman> im having a problem with the mplayer plugin in when viewing videos in the browser. the movie isn't centered =/
[03:45] <sysrq> Codeman7: for future reference either use all ubuntu nvidia stuff, or none at all
[03:46] <Codeman7> sysrq: OK... I didn't ever install the Ubuntu nvidia stuff, unless it came installed. But that's done anyways
[03:46] <Codeman7> sysrq: i'll just check my apt for packages from now on
[03:47] <Codeman7> sysrq: wait, i think the issue is that it's trying to install nvidia drivers from the CD, when they should be retreived from the net so they're compatible witht he new kernel right?
[03:48] <poningru> I am gonna spam for a good cause please forgive me,
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[03:48] <sysrq> Codeman7: that would make sense, if your restricted-modules don't match your current kernel
[03:48] <exjinn> rc51woody, anyluck?
[03:48] <poningru> http://action.eff.org/site/Advocacy?id=145
[03:48] <poningru> and write to your senator
[03:48] <poningru> to oppose the broadcast flag
[03:49] <rc51woody> got it!! thanks exjinn
[03:49] <poningru> that website has a small form that can write to the senator so please help out against DRM in TV
[03:49] <Codeman7> sysrq: what can I do to change that?
[03:49] <exjinn> rc51woody, cool glad to help
[03:50] <sysrq> Codeman7: remove the CD from /etc/apt/sources.list and add internet mirrors, then do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[03:51] <RedMenace> Weird that Ubuntu does not use modules.conf
[03:51] <HrdwrBoB> not really
[03:52] <yonil> weird, i can play .ram files, but i cant hear it playing ...
[03:53] <Amaranth> bleh
[03:53] <nalioth> Amaranth: ya got monday in one word!
[03:54] <yonil> what's the shell volume settings application called ? something with "mix" i think
[03:54] <Codeman7> sysrq: BRB
[03:54] <rc51woody> whats the easiest way to search for files?
[03:54] <RedMenace> How does this modprobe.d directory work?   There is a single config for each module?  All the other distros I used had modules.conf, and this seems totally different
[03:54] <Maeth> how can you start samba service by command shell?
[03:54] <sysrq> yonil: alsamixer or amixer
[03:54] <thenostradamus> woody: locate "filename"
[03:55] <Amaranth> stupid RAM
[03:55] <yonil> "no mixer elements found" :\
[03:55] <mattb> anyone here had success using Skype / Polypaudio and an MP3 player like Rhythm Box or XMMS as described on SkypeHowto in the wiki?
[03:55] <sysrq> RedMenace: ubuntu simply breaks them up into several smaller files, then uses update-modules to generate modules.conf
[03:55] <nalioth> Amaranth: you have goats around your computer?
[03:55] <Amaranth> sure, why not
[03:55] <exjinn> lol
[03:56] <Amaranth> no, my RAM is bad
[03:56] <Amaranth> i'm on windows
[03:56] <Amaranth> for some reason windows doesn't hit the bad spot
[03:56] <exjinn> uBHAAAtu
[03:56] <nalioth> Amaranth: that sucks hard
[03:56] <RedMenace> sysrq: So, all of the information from modules.conf is there, it's just scattered into different files?
[03:56] <Amaranth> yeah
[03:56] <Amaranth> i planned on getting a new smeg release out this week
[03:56] <Amaranth> now it'll be at least 2 more weeks of me not being able to do anythinhg
[03:56] <Codeman7> Hello
[03:57] <Codeman7> sysrq, Evidentally that was the ticket
[03:57] <sysrq> RedMenace: organized into different files would be better put
[03:58] <sysrq> RedMenace: actually in reading the manpages modprobe.conf and modpribe.d/ are supposed to replace it, that's if you trust the man pages, linux generally has poor ones
[03:59] <nalioth> Amaranth: is pulling the bad stick out of the question?
[03:59] <Amaranth> nalioth: I've tried pulling one or the other ans putting each one in one of the two DIMM slots
[04:00] <nalioth> Amaranth: and they both put the screws to ya?
[04:00] <Octane> which device in /dev is the firewire
[04:00] <Amaranth> appearently
[04:00] <Octane> dev/ ??
[04:00] <nalioth> Amaranth: ever considre its NOT the ram (what are the odds of both sticks goin at once?)
[04:00] <Amaranth> nalioth: memtest says they're bad and all X apps segfault
[04:01] <lifeless> Amaranth: AMD64 ?
[04:01] <Amaranth> nalioth: I switched with someone else (they had pc133, i had pc100)
[04:01] <Amaranth> lifeless: nope
[04:01] <RedMenace> So, I've installed Nvidia's nvsound module for my sound card ... do I have to edit a file in the modules.d directory?
[04:01] <nalioth> Amaranth: ram of unknown history.....
[04:01] <Amaranth> nalioth: worked fine on his windows machine
[04:01] <Amaranth> works fine when i run windows
[04:02] <nalioth> Amaranth: let's not talk about windows and its manners
[04:03] <Octane> my sda is my scsi drive, not my firewire... where would my firewire be then
[04:03] <vinux> hehe I'm trying to download the Live DVD ubuntu with bittorrent and seems a bit slow.... 6days left on my cable connection :)
[04:03] <rc51woody> best way or place to download mp3's?
[04:03] <quam> anyone know what font regular console uses? in a certain program, i get color bleeding between the input line and the output area when i use gnome terminal, was wondering if changing it to the console font might correct the issue
[04:04] <thenostradamus> woody: ever tried limewire?
[04:04] <nalioth> rc51woody: www.commontunes.org   www.legaltorrents.org
[04:04] <vinux> It's been 22min and i'm still at 0% done lol
[04:04] <rc51woody> why do i think those are legal ones
[04:05] <nalioth> vinux: you'd be better d/l hte live and install cds seperately
[04:05] <nalioth> rc51woody: cuz i don't know anything about any other kind  :0
[04:05] <vinux> naltioth hehe yea
[04:05] <Octane> anyone know -- how the hell do i find out where my firewire in /dev/ is?
[04:05] <rc51woody> hehe
[04:05] <sysrq> rc51woody: because this isn't the place for pirating
[04:05] <rc51woody> i know i know
[04:05] <sysrq> Octane: watch dmesg when you plug in a device
[04:06] <Octane> sysrq, dmesg is full of junk from my firewall
[04:06] <sysrq> Octane: so filter it, grep -v IPTABLES or whatever
[04:07] <anto9us> Octane: have you tried sdb1?
[04:07] <Octane> anto9us, it doesnt exist
[04:07] <Octane> sysrq, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/149
[04:07] <Octane> thats what dmesg says
[04:07] <anto9us> Octane: what doesn't the device or the directory?
[04:08] <Octane> there is no device /dev/sdb1
[04:08] <rc51woody> question: on xmradio.com you must have windows media player to listen
[04:08] <anto9us> Octane: sdc1?
[04:08] <Octane> only sda?
[04:08] <rc51woody> is there a way to get windows media player without having windows?
[04:08] <anto9us> Octane: sda exists?
[04:08] <Octane> look at what dmesg says, it doesnt even say where it mounted it to
[04:08] <thenostradamus> u can run it
[04:08] <Octane> anto9us, yes, its my SCSI drive
[04:08] <thenostradamus> with wine
[04:09] <sysrq> Octane: run modprobe sd_mod, then see if it says anything
[04:09] <nalioth> rc51woody: do you have win32codecs?
[04:09] <Octane> sysrq, done. nothing new comes up in dmesg
[04:10] <sysrq> dunno then, perhaps you need further modules
[04:10] <rc51woody> nalioth: assuming i dont have win32codecs, how do i get it?
[04:11] <nalioth> rc51woody: they say its available via repos, but i've heard a lot of folks the last few days not seein it
[04:11] <nalioth> rc51woody: go to www.mplayerhq.hu and download them
[04:11] <nalioth> rc51woody: there are inst on the page b4 the download about where to put them
[04:12] <rc51woody> nalioth: thanks so much
[04:15] <rc51woody> nalioth: download MPlayer c1.0pre7 source?
[04:15] <pepperpot> dict-devil doesn't work for me. None of the devil's dictionary entries ever shows up. What can I do?
[04:15] <nalioth> rc51woody: no, get the "essential codecs"
[04:15] <sysrq> rc51woody: if you google, you will find there are un-official repos with w32codecs on them, no need to mess with compiling anything yourself
[04:15] <nalioth> rc51woody: when you put them in the place specified, your whole system will use them as needed
[04:16] <exjinn> rc51woody, if you check the ubuntu wiki it will tell you how to install mplayer and all the codecs you would need
[04:16] <RedMenace> How do I change to a different run level to shut down X windows?    I tried running init 3 as root, but that didn't work.   I wanna try the new nvidia drivers.
[04:16] <nalioth> sysrq: no compiling needed, just expand and put into the proper dir
[04:16] <nalioth> sysrq: i wasnt pointing him at mplayer, just the codecs
[04:17] <anto9us> RedMenace: don't know if you know but you can restart your X server with ctrl-alt-backspace
[04:17] <sysrq> it would still probably be better for him to use something prepackage and that is managed by dpkg
[04:17] <thenostradamus> redmenace: try xnest
[04:17] <rc51woody> sysrq: where do i find this in wiki?
[04:18] <sysrq> RedMenace: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[04:18] <Kyral> wiki.ubuntu.org I believe
[04:19] <RedMenace> xnest
[04:20] <pepperpot> pepperpot, it looks like dict-devil is empty
[04:21] <nalioth> zyth: spent all your money yet?
[04:21] <pepperpot> after decompressing dict-devil.dict.dz, all I see is a header
[04:22] <zyth> nalioth, yeah
[04:22] <rc51woody> sysrq: where do i find the install and codecs for mplayer on wiki?
[04:24] <gek> god i hate being sober
[04:25] <Maus> It gets better.
[04:25] <Flying-Llama> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=221510#post221510 , maybe someone will have an idea...
[04:25] <Flying-Llama> i put it on the mailing lists :)
[04:25] <pepperpot> thenostradamus, you prefer being sober?
[04:25] <thenostradamus> definitely
[04:26] <pepperpot> or you hate it more than being sober i mean
[04:26] <thenostradamus> yeah
[04:26] <gek> im not a big fan of being drunk really, i love being high, and i havnt gotten high in like 2 weeks now. damn this fcking town
[04:26] <thenostradamus> that sounds about right
[04:26] <nalioth> thenostradamus: there is a fine line between drunkenness and efficiency
[04:26] <AMDXP> thanks guys i got most of it setup
[04:26] <sysrq> rc51woody: RestrictedFormats
[04:26] <Flying-Llama> can anyone help with a mysterious networking problem?
[04:26] <Flying-Llama> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=221510#post221510
[04:27] <Flying-Llama> the last post is the most informative
[04:27] <Maus> Wireless networking doesn't work out of box yet, right?
[04:27] <Flying-Llama> ya
[04:27] <Kyral> it does
[04:28] <zyth> nalioth, remind me why I was spending all my money again?
[04:28] <Flying-Llama> normally
[04:28] <TresEquis> Maus: depends on the card
[04:28] <Maus> Really?!
[04:28] <zyth> brb
[04:28] <Maeth> can anyone help me plz?
[04:28] <Maeth> this is what i did
[04:28] <nalioth> zyth: www.apple.com/store   <the enticing red tag>
[04:28] <Maus> TresEquis:  How selective are we talking?  I have a friend who is having a hell of a time getting her wireless card working right now.
[04:28] <Flying-Llama> dont paste...
[04:28] <TresEquis> Maus: ipw2200 works
[04:28] <zyth> nalioth, OHHH right
[04:28] <Maeth> sudo apt-get samba
[04:28] <zyth> nalioth, I can't find anything like that for Canada :(
[04:28] <baluba> bye
[04:29] <Maeth> sudo apt-get smbfs
[04:29] <Maeth> restarted the pc
[04:29] <Maeth> smbmount //192.168.1.96/myshare /home/montecristo/mnt
[04:29] <TresEquis> other cards may need the ndiswrapper shim, if mfr doesn't have ope specs
[04:29] <nalioth> zyth: i'll order it for ya, your cost is one of whatever you buy for me (i'll even deliver)
[04:29] <TresEquis> e.g., broadcom wireless cards
[04:29] <Maeth> 7924: protocol negotiation failed
[04:29] <zyth> nalioth, LOL :D
[04:29] <Maeth> SMB connection failed i got this error
[04:29] <zyth> bbs.. door
[04:30] <Flying-Llama> well my card isnt broadcam...
[04:30] <Flying-Llama> it should work!
[04:30] <Flying-Llama> man this sucks
[04:30] <oga> does anyboyd know the command for xorg server?
[04:30] <Kyral> startx?
[04:30] <Flying-Llama> guess ill be sticking with OSX tiger
[04:30] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: the fact you have an ibook and it doesnt work is very very weird
[04:31] <Flying-Llama> ya nalioth
[04:31] <exjinn> airport card or other pcmcia
[04:31] <Flying-Llama> i put it on the mailing lists
[04:31] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: better tiger for you (faster machine) then for me (old-n-busted)
[04:31] <Flying-Llama> hopefully ill get a soltion
[04:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> are there any star trek fans here?
[04:31] <Flying-Llama> nalioth: i guess
[04:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm looking for a really good theme for kubuntu
[04:32] <Flying-Llama> exjinn: just airport card
[04:32] <IcemanV9> < fan of SNG
[04:32] <ninwa> In ubuntu is there an easy way to cache dns information?
[04:32] <pepperpot> how do i report a bug? The dict-devil package in ubuntu is broken. The one in debian is okay.
[04:32] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: how dare you ask that question in here?
[04:32] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: we all are.
[04:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[04:32] <Flying-Llama> heh
[04:32] <Burrito> hi men
[04:32] <Flying-Llama> howdj'a do dat
[04:33] <Burrito> how can i make this works?
[04:33] <Burrito> duke3d_atomic_edition-x86.run
[04:33] <TresEquis> ninwa: apt-cache search dnscache
[04:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i was looking for a really good lcars theme and i can't seem to find any
[04:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that are actualy lcars >.<
[04:33] <Burrito> hey church_of_foamy
[04:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hey whazzup
[04:33] <Burrito> can u help me out?
[04:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um how?
[04:34] <Burrito> how can i install this: duke3d_atomic_edition-x86.run ??
[04:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um is that the old duke nukem?
[04:34] <Flying-Llama> i have another problem: my ibook wont wake from sleep
[04:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i haven't tryed that yet
[04:35] <Burrito> ys
[04:35] <TresEquis> ninwa: sorry, that should be "dnsmasq - A small caching DNS proxy and DHCP server."
[04:35] <Flying-Llama> it complains about not finding cpu freq
[04:35] <Burrito> but i dont know how to use it
[04:35] <Flying-Llama> why doesnt my ibook sleep argh!
[04:35] <Burrito> what can i do?
[04:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it dosen't look like a program for debian that i know of
[04:35] <Burrito> um
[04:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well is it supposed to run with a nother app?
[04:35] <ninwa> TresEquis, Appreciated.
[04:35] <Burrito> or ubunty
[04:35] <Burrito> ubuntu
[04:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[04:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmmm
[04:36] <TresEquis> $ file duke*.run
[04:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hey there we go
[04:36] <TresEquis> what does that report?
[04:36] <Burrito> what does "*" means?
[04:36] <TresEquis> wildcard
[04:36] <X7C> what's better for playing CS? cedega or wine?
[04:36] <TresEquis> matches any number of characters
[04:36] <Davey> X7C: I have it running just perfectly in wine
[04:36] <TresEquis> 'file' reports the file type
[04:36] <X7C> on directx and all?
[04:37] <caonex> Davey, what is CS?
[04:37] <penguinboy> does anyone know the proper syntax for makedeb???
[04:37] <^thehatsrule^> X7C: cedega is based on wine
[04:37] <X7C> CS = Counter Strike
[04:37] <^thehatsrule^> caonex: counter-strike
[04:37] <Davey> oh, shit, sorry I thought he meant Photoshop CS, ignore me ;)
[04:37] <X7C> !
[04:37] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, X7C
[04:37] <Burrito> hey xxx
[04:37] <X7C> u got PSD CS on wine?
[04:37] <X7C> woa
[04:37] <X7C> :p
[04:37] <mdipi> Does anyone know what 'ncurces' is? I need it for an install but have no clue what i would look for in apt-get
[04:38] <Davey> yeah, takes about 2 minutes to start but then its as fast, if not faster than windows :)
[04:38] <Burrito> hey tresequis
[04:38] <penguinboy> does anyone know the proper syntax for makedeb???
[04:38] <Davey> mdipi: its the library that will display "graphic" text UIs
[04:38] <AMDXP> anyone installed crossover sucessfully
[04:38] <X7C> ^thehatsrule^ do you play CS?
[04:38] <TresEquis> Burrito: hmm?
[04:38] <Obake> Hey ho!
[04:38] <mdipi> Davey, is it just 'apt-get install ncurses' ?
[04:38] <Obake> how are you guys doing?
[04:38] <Maeth> does anybody knows where i can get an ftp server for linux?
[04:38] <Burrito> this is what it said
[04:38] <X7C> or have cedega or wine wunnning?
[04:38] <Burrito> duke3d_atomic_edition-x86.run: Bourne shell script text executable
[04:38] <Burrito> what does it means?
[04:38] <Obake> I need some help
[04:38] <rok45> apt-get install vsftpd
[04:38] <meng> i've issues installing the ATI drivers using the new installer
[04:38] <Obake> I cannot see encripted pages
[04:39] <Obake> lke Gmail
[04:39] <nalioth> mdipi: yes, but you should already have ncurses
[04:39] <Burrito> i dont understand
[04:39] <Davey> mdipi: apt-cache search ncurses if its not :)
[04:39] <Burrito> can u explainme?
[04:39] <nalioth> Maeth: use synaptic and search for "ftp"
[04:39] <TresEquis> try '$gedit duke*.run';  it would be a script, which you probably run to install the game
[04:39] <Obake> it says that I need PSM (Personal Security Manager)
[04:39] <Burrito> ok
[04:39] <Burrito> thanks
[04:39] <Burrito> hey
[04:39] <mdipi> nalioth, Davey, doh, i just assumed i didnt, i'll go do this then
[04:39] <Burrito> do you speak spanish?
[04:39] <TresEquis> you would run it as 'sh duke*.run'
[04:39] <Obake> How do I get it?
[04:39] <TresEquis> some
[04:39] <^thehatsrule^> X7C: sometimes, yes
[04:39] <Burrito> ohh
[04:40] <Burrito> ok
[04:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know an answer to my question?
[04:40] <IcemanV9> Burrito: sh duke3d*.run
[04:40] <TresEquis> the nick is for a now-defunct beer
[04:40] <X7C> ahm... CS on what?
[04:40] <nalioth> Obake: use synaptic to search for mozilla. among the results will be mozilla-psm . install it
[04:40] <meng> how to alter the OpenGL renderer to fglrx ones?
[04:40] <Obake> mozilla-psm
[04:40] <Obake> ok
[04:40] <Obake> let me try
[04:40] <cary> anyone running ubuntu on PPC?
[04:41] <mdipi> cary, i am
[04:41] <nalioth> cary: i run ppc
[04:41] <Burrito> thanks Icemanv9
[04:41] <Burrito> it works
[04:41] <Burrito> but i need de cd
[04:41] <Burrito> XD
[04:41] <Burrito> jajaja
[04:41] <Maeth> burrito , hablas espaol?
[04:41] <Davey> is there a better GUI FTP client than gFTP?
[04:41] <cary> nalioth, mdipi, what kernel are you running and what PPC machines. i compiled a kernel a couple of days ago and now the new kernel image wont boot
[04:42] <nalioth> cary: you were in here earlier about this
[04:42] <mdipi> cary, I just burnt the Ubuntu ISO and installed to a partition on my G4 PowerBook, everything is going fine
[04:42] <cary> nalioth, i was. talking with seveas. pfp was helping me a lot but now my kernel is just sort of messed up a think
[04:42] <nalioth> cary: kernels are completely out of my league, but i'm running Linux ubuntu 2.6.10-5-powerpc and its on a iBook G3/600
[04:43] <Obake> hmm
[04:43] <cary> mdipi, do you have any sound issues? my sound is crap. it will play a sound and then it like fades out
[04:43] <Obake> Nalioth.
[04:43] <cary> and good luck playing an mp3. its like on mute from accross the room
[04:43] <Obake> I installed mozilla-psm
[04:43] <Obake> and I still cannot..
[04:43] <Obake> hold, on. m
[04:43] <mdipi> cary, No, mine is a bit quiet, but thats about the extent of it, it doesnt fade or gargle
[04:43] <cary> nalioth, thanks
[04:43] <nalioth> Obake: did you restart firefox?
[04:43] <Obake> \maybe I should Re-start
[04:43] <Obake> ><
[04:43] <mdipi> cary, Kernal stuff is way outta my leauge too, as im an uber noob with all this stuff
[04:44] <cary> mdipi, unfortunately so am i. ive not booted linux for even a week yet
[04:44] <Obake> allright !!
[04:44] <nalioth> cary: may i ask why you rolled a new kernel?
[04:44] <Obake> thank you Nalioth !!
[04:44] <Obake> I forgot to restart Mozilla ><
[04:44] <Obake> GOd bless thee
[04:45] <Obake> How nice is this Ubuntu community !
[04:45] <cary> nalioth, mostly because my sound was crap but i found a website talking about some other issues (temp gauge and one other thing) that had patches
[04:45] <crazyhorse> nicer than nicest ;)
[04:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> holy crap i found a sweet one in the armpits of the internet
[04:45] <cary> nalioth, and i figured i may as well dive in head first
[04:45] <nalioth> cary: have you been to www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixSoundHoary   ?
[04:46] <TresEquis> ChurcH_of_FoamY: your question was about the 'duke*.run' file?  burrito said that file reported it was a "Bourne shell script executable"
[04:47] <TresEquis> likely an installer-with-base64'ed-binary script
[04:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm i really can't say i have ever herd of it
[04:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> maybe theres something about it on google
[04:47] <cary> nalioth, of course not. haha. thanks for th elink
[04:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> has for the lcars theme i found one thats really sweet
[04:48] <cary> nalioth, that page doesnt seem to exist
[04:48] <gpd> Is there an Ubuntu Server channel?
[04:48] <pfp> cary, hi (i'm finally back on the net)
[04:48] <cary> pfp! how was the move!
[04:48] <nalioth> cary: sorry hang on a minute
[04:48] <cary> nalioth, thanks!
[04:48] <cary> pfp, so..i finally compiled my kernel with those patches and that kernal wont boot
[04:49] <cary> at least my old kernel will, eh?
[04:49] <pfp> cary: horrible :) took whole weekend
[04:49] <cary> pfp, where did you come from and where did you go?
[04:49] <pfp> cary: you got it installed though?
[04:50] <ayat> allo semuanya
[04:50] <Xbill> hi all
[04:50] <ayat> pa kbr xbill
[04:51] <Xbill> ??
[04:51] <flankk> i can't find a package for JRE in the repos, do i need to get it elsewhere?
[04:51] <nalioth> cary: have you been to www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SoundProblemsHoary   ?
[04:51] <pfp> cary: i moved about 5km further north inside helsinki.... have to spend a few months at my parent's place because a commune i lived in got a bit sour
[04:52] <cary> pfp, yheah i got it installed!
[04:52] <nalioth> flankk: watch ubotu
[04:52] <nalioth> !Java
[04:52] <ubotu> java is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java
[04:52] <Varanger> hi crimsun
[04:52] <pfp> cary: what error does it give then?
[04:52] <cary> pfp, ill need to reboot to write it down
[04:52] <flankk> nalioth, tx
[04:53] <cary> nalioth, ill book mark it. that may be what i need
[04:53] <cary> nalioth, but there were a couple of other issues that i sort of worried about
[04:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> is there a way to enter a file's mime type in the file attributes so that it will open correctly regardless of extension?
[04:53] <flankk> nalioth, any reason the package isn't included in universal?
[04:53] <BROKEN_LADDER> theora and vorbis both use ogg encapsulation for instance, and this causes a problem setting which app opens them.
[04:53] <pfp> cary: a digital foto of the boot stuff maybe?
[04:53] <cary> pfp, what kind of commune. lviing in teh southeast usa i dont real;ly get a whole lot of that
[04:54] <nalioth> flankk: i don't know
[04:54] <cary> pfp, sure thing
[04:54] <j_> test
[04:54] <TresEquis> flankk: licensing issues
[04:54] <rsm4ppp> msg nickserv set hide email on
[04:54] <rsm4ppp> msg nickserv set email marantz@rci.rutgers.edu
[04:55] <r0d> how to you change your GDM logon screen resolution? its huge! my desktop res is fine
[04:55] <pestilence> rsm4ppp: not a very good way to hide your email
[04:56] <cary> pfp, brb!
[04:56] <rsm4ppp> how do I add a keyboard layout?  I have one from a debian system I like
[04:56] <TresEquis> flankk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java15
[04:57] <nlghtcrawler-lin> i need to get smeg
[04:57] <nlghtcrawler-lin> where can i get it?
[04:57] <flankk> TresEquis, okay, makes sense.
[04:58] <vinux> nlghtcrawler-lin, whatis smeg?
[04:58] <nlghtcrawler-lin> menu editor
[05:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know how to install a theme in kbuntu?
[05:00] <squinn> vinux, simple menu editor [for]  gnome
[05:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it suddenly went dead in ther
[05:00] <rsm4ppp> pestilence: I new to irc and was just following the nicksetup instructions
[05:01] <pestilence> rsm4ppp: ;)
[05:01] <pestilence> you need a / in front of your msg commands
[05:01] <nlght> how do i install a menu editor?
[05:01] <rsm4ppp> pestilence my woops, thanks
[05:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know?
[05:01] <squinn> apt-get install smeg, nlght
[05:02] <cary> okay..let me load it up and upload it pfp
[05:02] <micky1> Hello all . . .
[05:02] <micky1> I have just recently converted to Ubuntu Linux from WinXP Pro.  I have a rather dire issue with the Hoary Hedgehog.  That PNP0c01 and PNP0c02 error is crippling my SATA drives.  Does anyone have a workaround, short of booting into recovery mode?
[05:03] <rsm4ppp> pestilence do you know anything about keyboard layouts?  I don't know where the files are in ubuntu.  I was ok with straight debian, but
[05:04] <pestilence> rsm4ppp: not really.  i think you can re-select your keyboard layout for X by "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver"
[05:04] <Octane> lame question -- but how can i check my root partition for errors
[05:04] <Nard> so when i use gaim and i get more then one thinger going it goes to tabs and the tab names are the ppl's sn and some are really long is there a way you can like limit the characters or something
[05:04] <cary> pfp, you there?
[05:04] <micky1> rsm4pp . .  . look in <System><Preferences><Keyboard> . . . assuming, of course that you are using the GUI.
[05:05] <rsm4ppp> pestilence yea, that much I found, I want to add a new keyboard layout not select a built in one
[05:05] <r0d> how to you change your GDM logon screen resolution? its huge! my desktop res is fine
[05:06] <pestilence> rsm4ppp: ah.  don't quite know how to do that.  you can change key functionality with .Xmodmap (and use xev to see what certain keys do).  beyond that i don't know much.
[05:06] <rsm4ppp> micky1 I want to add a new keyboard layout that the gnome-keyboard-preference caplet can find.  Any idea how or where?
[05:06] <pestilence> i use .Xmodmap to get my multimedia keys working
[05:06] <rsm4ppp> pestilence thanks anyway
[05:07] <pfp> cary: yep
[05:07] <Nard> so no one knows about the gaim thing
[05:07] <pestilence> what's the gaim thing
[05:07] <Nard> so when i use gaim and i get more then one thinger going it goes to tabs and the tab names are the ppl's sn and some are really long is there a way you can like limit the characters or something
[05:07] <cary> pfp, oaky
[05:07] <cary> can i PM you the link to the screen picture?
[05:07] <micky1> rsm4ppp, sorry, no I don't
[05:08] <Maeth> rok45, hey
[05:08] <siimo> Nard, thats a gaim question
[05:08] <Nard> yeah
[05:08] <micky1> Any advice on the ACPI issue?  My board is an Intel D865PERL.
[05:08] <Nard> but it's on ubuntu
[05:08] <pfp> cary: sure
[05:08] <rsm4ppp> micky1 thanks.  any idea where else I can look, I tried goole and the wiki and alittle of the gnome website
[05:08] <siimo> Nard, gaim is all same on any os
[05:09] <lancer285> is there a way to install a package and automatically install all the dependancies w/ it?
[05:09] <pestilence> lancer285: apt-get install or aptitude
[05:09] <Nard> fine where should i ask the question
[05:09] <pestilence> lancer285: or synaptic
[05:09] <pestilence> Nard: try #gaim :)
[05:09] <siimo> Nard, but one way is to change the gaim setting so it displays sn name instead of display name
[05:09] <flankk> Nard, i have that same problem :) i just turn the tabs off completely.
[05:09] <Octane> how can i check my root partition for errors
[05:10] <pestilence> Octane: you have to unmount it and then run fsck on it
[05:10] <cary> pfp, basically it gets to that point and just sits there
[05:10] <micky1> rsm4ppp . . . I am curious myself, no can do on where exactly the files reside . . . checking . . .
[05:10] <pestilence> Octane: so boot into recovery mode
[05:10] <Octane> pestilence, right but how can i unmount it ..... i tried booting in recovery mode but i need to mount *something* as root
[05:10] <TresEquis> Octane: which means, for /, that you need to boot from CD
[05:10] <TresEquis> or USB drive
[05:10] <pestilence> Octane: ok, so boot from a live cd
[05:10] <TresEquis> or something
[05:11] <Octane> i mean, is there a way to fsck your root part from recovery mode
[05:11] <rsm4ppp> micky1 how are you checking.  I'm lost in the gconf stuff
[05:11] <pestilence> Octane: i think, if you mount it read-only.  not sure.
[05:11] <RedMenace> Just tried 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx' followed by 'sudo nvidia-glx-config enable' .... Xwindows would not start ... kept getting "Failed to load kernel module" error ... anyone have an idea what could be wrong?
[05:12] <pfp> cary: heh, i dont understand any of that actually :/ the messages are probably all mac-specific
[05:12] <TresEquis> Octane, it isn't safe to fsck a mounted partition
[05:12] <siimo> RedMenace, what version of buntu
[05:12] <TresEquis> reboot from the install CD, or the live CD, and do it there
[05:12] <Octane> TresEquis, yes i know, thats why i am asking on how to do it safely :)
[05:12] <cary> pfp, awesome.
[05:12] <cary> well
[05:12] <Octane> yes, but the recovery mode makes you choose a root part and boots it rw
[05:13] <cary> pfp, how ic an i go back the the kernel i used to have as my default
[05:13] <RedMenace> siimo: Hoary for AMD64
[05:13] <siimo> amd64...
[05:13] <TresEquis> \
[05:13] <pfp> cary: hmm, maybe you could try compiling a kernel without any patches, to see if they cause the error
[05:13] <cary> and while we're at it, how can i make os x my default boot item i guess in yaboot
[05:13] <siimo> not sure then
[05:13] <nalioth> cary: what kernel WERE you using?
[05:14] <quam> anyone know how to installl new fonts? i want to make the default linux console font available to gnome-terminal. i checked out the font install howto on ubuntu.com and someone mentioned dragging the font files into fonts:/// in nautilus, but even as root, it won't let me touch anything in that folder
[05:14] <oga> does anyboyd see any major disadvantages to rolling back an xorg driver to 6.7?
[05:14] <starshine> quam: console fonts and X fonts aren't the same stuff, alas
[05:14] <siimo> quam, you can simply put them in ~/.fonts
[05:14] <pfp> cary: you'd have to check yaboot's configuration (pc's use GRUB instead) or ask someone who knows yaboot, sorry
[05:14] <quam> siimo: didn't work
[05:14] <nalioth> quam: any TrueType font will work. they go in your home directory in the ".fonts" folder
[05:14] <siimo> quam, then listen to starshine
[05:15] <quam> *sigh* one of my programs works great in console, but in a terminal, some of the colors bleed, no matter what font i use, so i wanted to try and use the linux console font
[05:15] <starshine> quam: but I do know several monospace fonts that look better than terminal defaults..
 ACPI issues unresolved . . . Would really appreciate some sort of solution . . . having 200GB of SATA drives spinning uselessly is quite frustrating.
[05:15] <pfp> cary: maybe  http://www.askdavetaylor.com/tweak_yaboot_so_mac_os_x_is_my_default_os_not_ubuntu_or_yellow_dog_linux.html
[05:15] <starshine> I favor lucida typewriter, if you own it.
[05:15] <quam> i don't want suggestions for fonts to try :P i want linux console :p
[05:15] <quam> without having to actually go to console
[05:16] <cary> pfp, thanks!
[05:16] <cjs> my wifi just wouldnt restablish a connect even though the signal was there.. unless i rebooted.. is there a better tool to manage? i tried the GUI shit plus an /etc/init.d/networking restart and an ifup eth1.. wouldnt reconnect
[05:16] <cary> all of these ubuntu people are so nice
[05:16] <cjs> is there a better tool out there for managing wifi connections than what comes w/ ubuntu
[05:16] <nalioth> cary: what kernel WERE you using?
[05:17] <starshine> quam: since my own "console" actually runs framebuffer, I am not using the "normal" console font even on my console
[05:17] <micky1> Does anyone in this channel know of someone that I could contact regarding the ACPI issue?
[05:17] <cary> nalioth, the default one. whatever came with the hoary image i downloaded
[05:17] <starshine> so I can't help you pick them by it being the old 25x80 beast, only by what they do look like.
[05:17] <nalioth> cary were you up to date b4 you installed your personal kernel?
[05:17] <TresEquis> cjs:  I occasionally see bursts of failures like that
[05:17] <flankk> micky1, what is the issue?
[05:17] <TresEquis> one thing that sometimes helps is to restart the hotplug subsystem while networking is down
[05:18] <quam> starshine: what is framebuffer?
[05:18] <cary> nalioth, yeah. all updates where done. but not the sonud thing i was sent earlier
[05:18] <heatxsink> anyone in here know what package I need to make my Linksys WPC11 v2.5 work?
[05:18] <Varanger> I have serial ata hard disk, how can I enable its dma mode?
[05:18] <TresEquis> so, 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop && sudo /etc/init.d/hotplug restart && sudo /etc/init.d/networking start'
[05:18] <heatxsink> anyone in here know what package I need to make my Linksys WPC11 v2.5 work?
[05:18] <starshine> quam: my video card behaves rudely if it does not stay in graphics mode, soooo my console is in graphics mode all the time.
[05:18] <oga> how do you roll back to older versions of drivers (xorg in this case)
[05:18] <nalioth> cary: would you like my yaboot.conf?
[05:18] <cjs> TresEquis, was weird.. because i walked to the park and picked up three different wifi connectins w/o error.. but then when i got back home it wouldnt reconnect to mine w/o a reboot
[05:18] <nalioth> cary: or are you missing the old kernel?
[05:18] <TresEquis> cjs: yup
[05:19] <micky1> flankk:  On boot of the default kernel, I get PNP0c01 and PNP0c02 failures that tank out my SATA drives.
[05:19] <TresEquis> I went for a week without seeing that, and then had to reboot three times today
[05:19] <heatxsink> anyone in here know what package I need to make my Linksys WPC11 v2.5 work?
[05:19] <heatxsink> is the ubuntu kernel setup to handle this card?
[05:19] <heatxsink> i'm running hoary
[05:19] <micky1> flankk: Quite annoying, since I would like to put /home on one of them.
[05:20] <pestilence> heatxsink: possibly ndiswrapper-utils
[05:20] <cary> nalioth, i have the old kernel. do you default to os x? and if i just take your yaboot.conf ...does it matter about the kernel name, etc?
[05:20] <heatxsink> or compile those kernel modules that are for that card?
[05:20] <TresEquis> heatxsink: http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=3&q=http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/HowToSetUpLinksysCards&e=10053
[05:20] <pestilence> argh stupid google
[05:20] <flankk> micky1, does it give you problems with acpi disabled?
[05:20] <TresEquis> pestilence: that was a hint
[05:21] <nalioth> cary: i have a stock ubuntu system with osx dual booted
[05:21] <Varanger> I have serial ata hard disk, how can I enable its dma mode?
[05:21] <pestilence> TresEquis: ah.  very subtle :)
[05:21] <nalioth> if you still have the old kernel, it should work
[05:21] <micky1> How would I go about disabling ACPI?  In the BIOS?
[05:21] <cary> nalioth, what is your default boot? ubuntu?
[05:21] <heatxsink> linux-wlan-ng
[05:21] <flankk> micky1, ubuntu -noapic at grub boot prompt
[05:21] <heatxsink> there it is!
[05:21] <TresEquis> micky1: add 'noacpi' to the kernel boot line
[05:21] <nalioth> ubuntu is my default
[05:22] <stevenj> why is Firefox 1.04 so screwed up in the Ubuntu backports??!! It always says there is an error in the package
[05:22] <micky1> flankk:  will try that.  is it literally 'ubuntu - noapci' ?
[05:22] <pestilence> stevenj: why are you running firefox from backports?
[05:22] <TokenBad> man I hate remodeling a bathroom
[05:22] <cjs> TresEquis, i know kde has KWifiManager.. anything like that under gnome/whatever?
[05:22] <cjs> or you just use the standard tools?
[05:23] <tavees> I'm trying to install truetype fonts from M$. Usinging "ttmkfdir -d fonts.scale" got segmentation fault! Any idea?
[05:23] <micky1> Thank you all . . . will try that . . . back in a bit to relate my experience.
[05:23] <Varanger> I have serial ata hard disk, how can I enable its dma mode?
[05:23] <stevenj> pestilence, I just followed the ubuntu guide :(
[05:23] <flankk> micky1, man grub
[05:23] <pestilence> is there some reason it's recommending backports?  that seems odd.
[05:23] <RedMenace> Ok ... why does Ubuntu not have a root account?  It's kind of a pain sometimes
[05:23] <r0d> why doesnt gftp download full directory files. the only way i'm able to download is by picking individual files in the dir
[05:23] <pestilence> RedMenace: executive decision
[05:23] <stevenj> pestilence, the default repo has backports so I thought it was safee
[05:23] <vladuz976> hi, i want to install ubuntu, is there a way to configure the display resolution during setup?
[05:24] <stevenj> pestilence, the default ubuntu guide repo I mean
[05:24] <pestilence> stevenj: no, the default repo only has hoary main
[05:24] <pestilence> stevenj: ah ok :)
[05:24] <flankk> RedMenace, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root
[05:24] <TresEquis> RedMenace: sudo su - gets you there
[05:24] <TresEquis> but you don't really need it
[05:24] <pestilence> stevenj: i would only leave the backports line in there for the package you are installing from backports, then comment it out again immediately afterwards.  otherwise you will pollute your system
[05:24] <TresEquis> sudo is safer
[05:25] <stevenj> pestilence, I think it is indeed already "pulluted" since firefox no longer works
[05:25] <TresEquis> cjs:  I use the Network Monitor 2.10.0 appleet
[05:25] <TresEquis> but it doesn't help to fix the dropouts
[05:25] <pestilence> stevenj: you can downgrade
[05:25] <cary> pfp, so how would i restore my old kernel to be the only kernel?
[05:26] <TresEquis> I'm almost tempted to blame my access point
[05:26] <concept10> I think the common info and faq that is asked here should come part of the default ubuntu install under yelp
[05:26] <stevenj> pestilence, I mean is backports (newer apps (gaim,gimp, ooo,firefox) really worth the trouble? :)
[05:26] <RedMenace> Well, I can't use archive manager without su .... can't remember the command to launch from prompt
[05:26] <pfp> cary: oh yeah, the commune.. we had like 4 guys, aged 23-26 years; a maths student, an unemployed musician, would-be history student and meself
[05:26] <cjs> TresEquis, apt-able?
[05:26] <TresEquis> gksudo file-roller
[05:26] <vladuz976> can anyone help me?
[05:26] <pfp> cary: did you install it with dpkg -i file.deb ?
[05:26] <cary> i installed it with make-krprpri
[05:26] <pestilence> stevenj: the whole idea of ubuntu is that is has a shorter release cycle.  so i would avoid backports as much as possible.  most people probably don't need them.
[05:26] <cary> whateve that comand is
[05:27] <quam> starshine: *sigh* found a linux8x16 pcf font file, but i guess that isn't true type is it?
[05:27] <oga> could anybody tell me how to roll back to older versions of software via command? (xorg in this case)
[05:27] <pestilence> stevenj: i personally find it a little annoying that they suggest people use them.
[05:27] <starshine> no but it will work in X
[05:27] <cary> pfp, whatever the make-???? command is on the howto page
[05:27] <stevenj> pestilence, ok thanks...learned my lesson (the hard way) :)
[05:27] <TresEquis> cjs: netmon-applet, I think
[05:27] <starshine> quam: you can tell your terminals to use that, it is not scalable but it is an X11 font.
[05:27] <pfp> cary: 'make-kpgk kernel_image' ?
[05:27] <quam> starshine, i put it in my ~/.fonts dir, do i have to do something special to get it to show up in gnome font prefs or to get the terminals to use it?
[05:28] <pestilence> stevenj: apt-get install mozilla-firefox=1.0.2-0ubuntu5
[05:28] <vladuz976> anyone know why the display resolution is so low after install and why i can't change it?
[05:28] <cary> pfp, but commune...does that mean you guys just live in the same area or was there some like...Goal of the commune? some binding tie that caused it to exist?
[05:28] <cary> pfp, yes. that
[05:28] <pestilence> stevenj: you might also try rm -rf .mozilla (will destroy your mozilla preferences)
[05:28] <starshine> quam: iirc terminal has its own setting, which lets you wander in and tell it your preferred font for it all the time
[05:29] <TresEquis> vladuz976: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:29] <qatsi> hello everybody....i need to setup a wireless network card, integrated....but Ubuntu did not detected it when i installed it, it just shows my eth0 conection, which is wired. Anyone who can help me ?
[05:29] <TresEquis> it will usually tell you why the higher resolutions didn't work
[05:29] <vladuz976> TresEquis, wht is that
[05:29] <quam> starshine: iirc is a piece of siht :P
[05:29] <quam> if i were going to use a console irc client, it would be epic, bitchx or irssi
[05:29] <TresEquis> vladuz976: the file where the Xorg server logs its messages
[05:29] <djs> vladuz976: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[05:30] <stevenj> pestilence, thanks getting back now...I might reinstall this weekend :(
[05:30] <sandman> i am having trouble with sound on kismet it is pointing to /usr/bin/play but i get no sound
[05:30] <starshine> quam: (if i recall correctly) != (whatever irc client you are babbling about)
[05:30] <pfp> cary: no not really, just 4 ~friends sharing a flat... turned out the music guy had a habit of flipping out and getting violent if he drunk too much... and being metal fans, they used to do that heh
[05:30] <Brazmetal> Hey people... Could someone take a look at my thread at ubuntuforums.org??? It's a printer problem
[05:30] <Brazmetal> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=221732#post221732
[05:30] <qatsi> any1 feeling like seting up a wireless network card ?
[05:30] <quam> you were talking about iirc, i can only assume you were talking about the irc client, what else goes by that name?
[05:30] <Brazmetal> thanks
[05:31] <cary> pfp, word. ye olde metal(e) fans(e)
[05:31] <mickyc> I am back . . . noacpi had no effect, but after disabling quiet mode, the sd* devices are now present and accounted for.  My SATA works!!!!
[05:31] <cjs> TresEquis, what do you do with it? ran it but it just sat there, nothing cam e up :D
[05:31] <mickyc> Thank you all for your generous support.  Much appreciated.
[05:31] <starshine> quam: I was saying - if I recall (about gnome terminal)
[05:32] <TresEquis> doesn't it put an icon in your panel?
[05:32] <quam> oh
[05:32] <quam> heh
[05:32] <quam> i hate acroynms :P
[05:32] <quam> acronyms too
[05:32] <pfp> cary: make-kpkg kernel_image just builds a kernel package in a file called linux-image_something.deb, usually install that file to your system with like 'dpkg -i linux-image_etcetera.deb'
[05:32] <starshine> quam: but for the record I use irssi
[05:32] <cary> ahh
[05:32] <cary> well
[05:32] <cary> yeah i made the .deb file
[05:32] <cary> and then isntalled that
[05:32] <cary> with wahtever the howto said
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[05:32] <quam> starshine, gnome terminal does let you choose, yes, but it still pulls from the same list as gnome font prefs, and the font isn't showing up on either list
[05:32] <cary> (im too lazy right now too look up the ocmmand0
[05:33] <Gana> Do Omong Opo
[05:33] <starshine> sigh, hold on, I'll see if I can find you a sufficiently pixelated TTF
[05:33] <pfp> cary: i'm more into electro / hiphop / soul meself.. altough i digest almost anything :)
[05:33] <quam> i dont need anything scalable
[05:34] <starshine> and I usually have it lying around open anyway
[05:34] <pfp> cary: ill have a look at the howto
[05:34] <cary> pfp, what sort of bands/people/djs?  also, you are a good man to accomodate my laziness. (in reality im carrying on two conversations that are non-nerd)
[05:35] <starshine> hmm on second thought gtkfontsel is cleaner for this..
[05:35] <X7C> anybody know if cedega will work if i use a fat32 drive for the stuff?
[05:35] <Gana> yu
[05:36] <starshine> there's a vga font offered for dosemu..
[05:36] <pestilence> why does xdm say "this is an insecure session" ?
[05:37] <cary> pfp, dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.8.1_custom.1.0_i386.deb
[05:37] <cary> pfp, but i changed the name to the .deb that i actually had
[05:38] <pfp> cary: ok. did you (have to) tweak anything after that?
[05:38] <cary> pfp, no. it all installed as it woudl by default
[05:41] <pfp> cary: can you still boot to ubuntu with the old kernel, or does yaboot only show the nwe one besides os x?
[05:41] <RedMenace> Are either of Eclipse or Netbeans available for 64bit versions of Ubuntu?
[05:41] <cjs> TresEquis, when i run it... no, don think so
[05:41] <cary> if i hti tab at the yaboot prompt, it shows me my kernels, and i can type "old" to boot ot it
[05:41] <starshine> quam: I'm still checking for a monospace font besides lucida that's ttf
[05:42] <pfp> cary: stuff like aphex twin, legowelt, 8bit rockers, jazzanova
[05:42] <[ADULT_SWIM] > is a .xpm file a valid theme file?
[05:42] <pfp> jimmy smith :)
[05:42] <cary> pfp, cool. do you know nightmares on wax?
[05:42] <TresEquis> cjs, I don't remember what else I did;  maybe run it from the gnome-session thing?
[05:42] <pfp> cary: oh yeah, they're great :)
[05:42] <cary> pfp, agreed.
[05:42] <cjs> TresEquis, heh what gnome-session thing?
[05:43] <cjs> meh i should stop being lazy and check google
[05:43] <cary> pfp, warp has a lot of great stuff on it.
[05:43] <quam> starshine, i know what i want, i have what i want, the only problem left is getting gnome to recognize it so i can use it :p
[05:43] <TresEquis> cjs: System -> Preferences -> Session
[05:43] <cary> pfp, the most main stream thing i have heard and liked lately is john legend. reminds me of old shcool lauren hill
[05:43] <TresEquis> but it isn't there
[05:43] <TresEquis> nytol
[05:43] <pfp> cary: cool, i have to check that out
[05:44] <concept10> cary, you like common?
[05:45] <TiMiDo> darn it i'm hungry
[05:45] <spiderworm> anybody using screem on ubuntu?  it's being stupid on mine
[05:45] <starshine> quam: yes but that means the problem lies in what gnome will recognize. we know for sure it recognizes TTFs, which is why I'm concentrating there, instead of for instance on type I of which there are oodles of decent fonts
[05:45] <TiMiDo> stupid like?
[05:46] <TiMiDo> described the behavior
[05:46] <pfp> cary: you should be able to remove the new one with 'dpkg --remove package_name', if everything goes as planned, that automatocally configures yaboot to list your old kernel
[05:46] <skel__> xfce any good
[05:46] <spiderworm> stupid like, i'll open a local file, modify it, then try to save it.  no matter where i save it it complains that file:///path/to/dir is an invalid url
[05:46] <skel__> its a Desktop envirormient
[05:47] <TiMiDo> hold up
[05:47] <quam> starshine: the fact is that the program im using works only with the default console font, which is why im trying to find a version of that which works in x. i dont want all of these other "decent fonts" you keep talking about
[05:47] <pfp> cary: you can find out package_name with 'dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-image'
[05:47] <spiderworm> that's an interesting spelling of environment
[05:47] <cary> pfp, its got like..normal pop feel to it which i normally dont like a lot but i liked it enough to buy it from itunes.
[05:47] <cary> concept10, i havent ehard much common but ithink i woudl. i have heard others around him and its good.
[05:47] <skel__> lol
[05:47] <skel__> I Cant spell :(
[05:47] <cary> i love J5
[05:48] <spiderworm> dohnut wurrie, eye kahnt spehl eethur
[05:49] <cary> gotcha
[05:49] <starshine> quam: I know that you want that particular font my point is that it may exist in a Font Format that gnome will use correctly
[05:49] <starshine> quam: sorry it takes me so long to look through my fonts, but your problem just doesn't come up every day.
[05:50] <pfp> cary: hmm, you might want to back up your current yaboot.conf, altough it seems the kernel packages can handle it by themselves
[05:50] <quam> heh
[05:50] <spiderworm> TiMiDo: any theories?
[05:50] <quam> starshine, *nod* im just kinda po'd that it's a font made for X and gnome won't recognize it correctly
[05:50] <pestilence> spiderworm: are you talking about screen?
[05:51] <quam> star: i know im hard to deal with, being so picky and all, but i appreciate the assistance
[05:51] <pestilence> spiderworm: or is there really an application called screem
[05:51] <cary> pfp, yeah, uh how?
[05:51] <pfp> nalioth: you had an apple, right? if cary just dpkg --removes his custom kernel, should yaboot still be ok?
[05:51] <cary> just going in through the file browser and copyhing it to anothe rlocaoint?
[05:51] <pfp> cary: yep
[05:51] <starshine> quam: well if gnome will take type Is we might win sooner but I'm still looking for what makes gnome happiest
[05:51] <spiderworm> pestilence: i speek of screem, not screen.  screen, i can do
[05:52] <pestilence> ah ok
[05:52] <pfp> cary: between removing the kernel and reboting, it would be wise to check that the new yaboot conf is sane
[05:53] <vladuz976> hey you guys, so ubuntu uses apt-get?
[05:53] <spiderworm> i'm gonna have to just junk it tho.  looks like somebody made just the teensiest tinyest mistake in this build on the ubuntu servers that doesnt let me or anybody save. anything
[05:53] <nalioth> pfp: cary you coudl try it, you won't hurt anything
[05:53] <spiderworm> vladuz976: yes sir
[05:53] <starshine> damn the ones I keep finding that are near-misses are all pcf and tI..
[05:53] <TiMiDo> !ubuntu
[05:53] <ubotu> rumour has it, ubuntu is ubuntu
[05:53] <vladuz976> so i can't use the repos i used for fedora?
[05:53] <spiderworm> vladuz976: go ahead.  the fallout should be fun to watch
[05:54] <vladuz976> spiderworm, what do you mean?
[05:54] <spiderworm> vladuz976: the serious answer is no you cant and dont bother trying
[05:54] <quam> starshine: all the versions i keep finding of linux8x16 that are suitable for use in X are from slackware :P
[05:54] <spiderworm> vladuz976: you on fedora now?
[05:54] <TiMiDo> ubotu, ubuntu <reply> ubuntu os www.ubuntulinux.org FAQS https://wiki.ubuntu.com/
[05:54] <ubotu> You are moron #1, TiMiDo
[05:54] <vladuz976> spiderworm, no mac
[05:54] <TiMiDo> grrrrr
[05:54] <vladuz976> spiderworm, my roomate has fedora
[05:54] <cary> so like
[05:55] <cary> go to the dir
[05:55] <cary> gedit yaboot.conf
[05:55] <blackbean> Anyone know how to install MS truetype fonts in Ubuntu?
[05:55] <ninwa> Perhaps someone can offer some insight unto my problem~ Before I thought it was a DNS issue, but for some reason when I initially load a site it takes forever, I get a "Loading Site..." in Firefox, I figured that the bottleneck was at the resolving... yet when I ping google.com it shows PING google.com (the ip) instantly, so it's apparent that thats not the issue.
[05:55] <cary> er
[05:55] <cary> sudo -s, then that
[05:55] <ninwa> Yet, after the initial load, I can go anywhere on the server as fast as my cable should be
[05:55] <spiderworm> vladuz976: cool. with ubuntu the packages are much more centralized and it's easier to get going with synaptic and everything than with fedora
[05:55] <rob^> blackbean, apt-get install msttcorefonts
[05:56] <spiderworm> vladuz976: you wont have repo problems with ubuntu :D
[05:56] <pfp> cary: or just 'cp yaboot.conf yaboot.conf.bak' (if you were talking about backing it up?)
[05:56] <rob^> blackbean, you'll need universe enabled in your /etc/apt/soruces.list
[05:56] <blackbean> rob^, got it
[05:57] <cary> pfp, i meant how to check it. oh i see what you mean. yeah. ill do that. i meant to see if it was still okay
[05:57] <rob^> np
[05:57] <starshine> quam: and they're all pcf's aren't they?
[05:57] <pfp> cary: in the terminal, you can view files with 'less filename'
[05:57] <starshine> quam: the only monospace scalable I found among the free bits I keep loaded is bitstream courier
[05:58] <starshine> quam: which being courier, doesn't look much like console's font
[05:58] <vladuz976> spiderworm, so is there some set up by default?
[05:58] <quam> yeah, pcf's
[05:59] <cary> pfp, ahha! so many things i dont know
[05:59] <bitwiseshiftleft> question: i'm trying to speed up boot, and mounting reiserfs is taking a long time, esp replaying the journal.  is there a way to not replay the journal when the fs is clean?
[05:59] <wizard31> anyone home?
[05:59] <spiderworm> vladuz976: yep.  then setting up the rest non default ones is simple.  get ubuntu installed and we'll teach you
[05:59] <starshine> quam: does gnome show you "fixed" among its offered font names?
[05:59] <spiderworm> super ez
[05:59] <nalioth> p
[05:59] <bitwiseshiftleft> wizard31: yes
[05:59] <quam> starshine, no
[05:59] <vladuz976> spiderworm, it justs finished installing
[06:00] <starshine> quam: not because I recommend it (ewww) btu because if it does font aliasing would probably do..
[06:00] <vladuz976> need to fix the desplay resolution now really low
[06:00] <wizard31> having problem with apt-get
[06:00] <spiderworm> vladuz976: well sweet.  let us know when you're logged in, ready to configure synaptic
[06:00] <rob^> ubotu msttcorefonts is apt-get install msttcorefonts - you'll need universe enabled in your /etc/apt/sources.list first.
[06:00] <ubotu> rob^: okay
[06:00] <nalioth> cary pfp here if ya need me
[06:00] <quam> star: im willing to give it a try
[06:00] <quam> starshine, how do i get it?
[06:00] <Mahl> All of a sudden my soundcard has stopped working...How do I check whats wrong?
[06:00] <Mahl> media players refuse to play off sounds saying that either A) Something is blocking the soundcard
[06:00] <Mahl> B) Its not configured properly or C)....etc
[06:01] <[ADULT_SWIM] > aanyone here know how to install themes in kubuntu?
[06:01] <wizard31> ElBarono: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)....is my prob
[06:01] <wizard31> any guesses?
[06:01] <bitwiseshiftleft> Mahl: check the permissions on /dev/audio or whatever the card is
[06:01] <pfp> cary: a world of knowledge awaits... :)
[06:01] <dockane> man echo says  "echo \NNN"  prints a line with the octal numbered ascii symbol NNN ... why does "echo \101" on bash print "101" and not "A" ?
[06:01] <bitwiseshiftleft> if there's no /dev/snd, /dev/audio, /dev/mixer, or /dev/dsp, there's no sound card recognized
[06:01] <Mahl> well it worked
[06:01] <Mahl> just until I booted it up now
[06:02] <vinux> Ack I found a infected file on my computer! I'm having clamscan go over to check again and it will list the file
[06:02] <bitwiseshiftleft> Mahl: did you make any changes?
[06:02] <rob^> vinux, on your windows partition?
[06:02] <TiMiDo> ubuntu
[06:02] <vinux> rob^, nope on ubuntu
[06:03] <pfp> cary: be back soon...
[06:03] <rob^> vinux, heh.. at least your safe
[06:03] <wizard31> anyone???
[06:03] <[ADULT_SWIM] > ditto?/
[06:03] <bitwiseshiftleft> wizard31: which packages
[06:03] <vinux> rob^, yea I hope so hehe
[06:03] <starshine> quam: fixed comes with X11, it's actually an alias for its favorite pcf file.
[06:03] <wizard31> anypackage
[06:03] <Razor-X> wizard31: what are your problems?
[06:03] <spiderworm> [ADULT_SWIM] : try the #kde channel
[06:03] <bitwiseshiftleft> what's the error message?
[06:03] <[ADULT_SWIM] > thanx
[06:04] <starshine> quam: so the fact it doesn't show is kind of bad news for any pcf...
[06:04] <benplaut> anyone here read japanese?
[06:04] <quam> starshine: perhaps i need to install some font packages or something to be able to use the pcsfs?
[06:04] <quam> err pcf's
[06:04] <wizard31> libjpeg 62  keeps complaining
[06:05] <Razor-X> spiderworm: you know, we have a #kbuntu, and more importantly, Kubuntu users
[06:05] <Razor-X> *#kubuntu
[06:05] <Razor-X> wizard31: complaining about what?
[06:05] <vladuz976> hey guys, i am reading the wiki page on how to fix the resolution, but running the command i don't know most of the stuff it asks for
[06:05] <Razor-X> generally, "complaining" refers to warnings, so, I want people to know that ;)
[06:05] <wizard31> (Reading database ... dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mozilla-browser_2%3a1.7.8-1ubuntu2~5.04ubp2_i386.deb (--unpack):
[06:05] <wizard31>  files list file for package `libjpeg62' is missing final newline
[06:05] <vinux> Razor-X, i'm using xfce4 on ubuntu now :)
[06:06] <wizard31> busy man you is
[06:06] <Razor-X> vinux: heh, I haven't switched Window Managers, but i'm not using the same terminal
[06:06] <Razor-X> I love Eterm, way outpaces Konsole
[06:06] <cary> nalioth, thanks man. pfp, thanks as always of course
[06:06] <starshine> quam: it's not something I've tried to convince gnome to do before...
[06:06] <cary> i think ill be rebooting soon to test this crap about
[06:06] <vinux> Razor-X, hey i'm using Eterm too :)
[06:06] <Razor-X> nice!
[06:07] <bitwiseshiftleft> hey, does anyone have tips to improve boot speed?
[06:07] <starshine> quam: can I send you lucida monotype just to see if it works?
[06:07] <Razor-X> the only thing I don't like about Eterm is the fact that, you can only specify fonts in lxc notation
[06:07] <Razor-X> bitwiseshiftleft: disable hotplug at startup
[06:07] <cary> pfp, okay
[06:07] <Razor-X> my bootup is ultrafast, though, so I don't really care
[06:07] <bitwiseshiftleft> Razor-X: i have ipw2200.  it uses hotplug to load firmware
[06:07] <vinux> Razor-X, hmm well I like it because it's super fast and looks cool
[06:07] <quam> starshine: found a package on synaptic, postscript font crap for deforma, lemme give it a go first
[06:08] <Razor-X> bitwiseshiftleft: ahhh, sorry, heh
[06:08] <wizard31> should i try and uninstall libjpeg ?
[06:08] <starshine> quam: lucida is among my fonts for TeX
[06:08] <Razor-X> vinux: well, the default Eterm font is ultra slow
[06:08] <starshine> quam: you are probably headed the direction I was about to send you :)
[06:08] <vinux> Razor-X, hmmm maybe I should change mine then
[06:08] <Razor-X> mmmm... LaTeX, the best typesetting/document writing thing ever ;)
[06:08] <bitwiseshiftleft> Razor-X: i've cut boot from 1:45 to 1:00 using deep magic, but that only counts time until i reach KDM screen
[06:08] <Razor-X> especially for math
[06:08] <starshine> Razor-X: yep :)
[06:08] <bitwiseshiftleft> and even 1:00 + 30 seconds to log into KDE is pretty long on a laptop
[06:08] <Razor-X> bitwiseshiftleft: deep magic?
[06:09] <Razor-X> I don't care, a 1:00 boot time is pretty damn fast
[06:09] <vinux> Razor-X, what's an uber fast one?
[06:09] <Razor-X> my whole bootup is probably 1:30
[06:09] <vladuz976> if you don't know your specs for the monitor let's say, how can i fix the resolution?
[06:09] <pestilence> anybody have an idea on why fluxbox takes so long to load in hoary (it takes longer than KDE!!!)
[06:09] <Razor-X> vinux: hmmm?
[06:09] <bitwiseshiftleft> Razor-X: i don't have power management though
[06:09] <bitwiseshiftleft> so i have to boot a lot
[06:09] <Razor-X> bitwiseshiftleft: ahhh, that sucks
[06:09] <vinux> Razor-X, fast font
[06:09] <TiMiDo> !ubuntu
[06:09] <ubotu> methinks ubuntu is http://www.ubuntolinux.org FAQ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/"
[06:09] <Razor-X> vinux: I don't care about fast font, I can't stand the small fonts of normal Eterm
[06:09] <Razor-X> they're miniscule
[06:10] <vinux> Razor-X, hehe
[06:10] <starshine> vladuz976: often you can google for the monitor specs, type in its model number from the sticker, and the word "specifications"
[06:10] <bitwiseshiftleft> Razor-X: well, i haven't stress tested it, but replacing most of rcS.d and rc2.d with a Makefile and making it -j 4 or so works pretty well
[06:10] <vinux> TiMiDo, ubuntu rocks!
[06:10] <Razor-X> same with all Terminals using X Console fonts, actually
[06:10] <spiderworm> Razor-X: so is kubuntu the same thing as ubuntu with the kde packages, or it a bit higher quality than that?
[06:10] <TiMiDo> vinux: big time (:
[06:10] <TiMiDo> now i'm teaching the bot some manners :P
[06:10] <Razor-X> bitwiseshiftleft: hmmm, maybe that'll help ;)
[06:10] <Razor-X> spiderworm: it's pretty much the same
[06:11] <spiderworm> Razor-X: because i used to run kde on top of ubuntu, but it ran too slowly for me, so here i am on gnome
[06:11] <vinux> TiMiDo, ubuntu is the the best system around!
[06:11] <Razor-X> I like KDE, I used to be a Gnome user (before there was a KDE) though
[06:11] <TiMiDo> vinux: why not
[06:11] <Razor-X> Gnome just went too sour for me after the v2 switch
[06:11] <spiderworm> Razor-X: plus i had this STUPID problem with arts taking up 99% of my resources every time i boot
[06:11] <TiMiDo> i'm still waiting for the cds though
[06:11] <bitwiseshiftleft> Razor-X: make backups :-) it took me $n$ tries to get right
[06:11] <Razor-X> spiderworm: why?
[06:11] <quam> starshine: no luck, send away
[06:11] <Razor-X> bitwiseshiftleft: LaTeX, I see? ;)
[06:11] <bitwiseshiftleft> and i'm not even sure yet.  but mounting reiser is another 10-15 seconds in boot
[06:12] <spiderworm> Razor-X: hell if i know, and other people had this problem too and we couldnt figure it out
[06:12] <Razor-X> ohhh, you have a ReiserFS partition?
[06:12] <bitwiseshiftleft> Razor-X: heh yeah
[06:12] <bitwiseshiftleft> Razor-X 3 reiserfs partitions
[06:12] <Razor-X> spiderworm: odd.... :(
[06:12] <bitwiseshiftleft> er.  4.  /, /usr/, /var / tmp
[06:12] <Razor-X> bitwiseshiftleft: I hear ReiserFS is good for a partition with lots of small files, is that true?
[06:12] <Razor-X> I may make a music partition with ReiserFS
[06:13] <starshine> quam: try the tetex-extra package
[06:13] <bitwiseshiftleft> Razor-X yeah, it packs them nice.  i use it because it's crash-resistant and faster for normal operation than ext3
[06:13] <bitwiseshiftleft> but it's slow as heck to mount because it replays a journal
[06:13] <Razor-X> ahhh :(
[06:13] <bitwiseshiftleft> which is what i'm trying to figure out... i wonder if that's necessary when the fs is clean
[06:13] <Razor-X> well, it shouldn't, if you run fsck on it occasionally
[06:14] <bitwiseshiftleft> well, right, but i don't know how to turn it off
[06:14] <Razor-X> although, I'm not too sure on the exact specs of ReiserFS
[06:14] <bitwiseshiftleft> or like, make it only happen every 20 boots
[06:14] <Razor-X> bitwiseshiftleft: browse the ReiserFS site
[06:14] <Razor-X> wait, fsck is run at every boot?
[06:14] <TiMiDo> is it ext3?
[06:14] <bitwiseshiftleft> razor-x no
[06:14] <quam> starshine: downloading, what to do when done?
[06:14] <Razor-X> I'm pretty sure you can configure that with you're tuning utility
[06:15] <Razor-X> TiMiDo: no
[06:15] <Razor-X> (like, in ext2/3 it's tune2fs)
[06:15] <cary> nalioth, since pfp is gone ill tell you for some reason that ill be back soon
[06:15] <bitwiseshiftleft> At least i don't think so... but thanks, i'll take a look
[06:15] <nalioth> cary: ok
[06:15] <hde> Anyone know of any documentation that describes the installation process in full detail, I am looking for the order in which all packages are installed.  I want to know the behind the scenes process.
[06:15] <nalioth> cary: be safe
[06:15] <cary> safe booting, right. haha
[06:15] <Razor-X> hde: google for the "Ubuntu Install Guide"
[06:16] <hde> Razor-X, Thanks
[06:16] <Razor-X> uggghhh, what's wrong with my LaTeX math...
[06:16] <pete> how about a full blown ubuntu book?
[06:16] <vinux> pete, I want one of them when they come out
[06:16] <Razor-X> see, I had quite a few rocky patches, but, after some experience, I can LaTeX pretty proficiently with LaTeX in word-processing
[06:17] <Razor-X> but, I need to do the math portion, and, so, I'm going through more rockiness
[06:17] <pete> i'm a long time debian user and there's been so little written *well* for that flavo(u)r
[06:17] <_pax> pete: what's what I'm waiting for. But how can any book survive with Ubuntu's 6 months upgrade?
[06:17] <Razor-X> pete: I'm writing a command-line guide, if you're interested
[06:17] <pete> wiki dude
[06:17] <bwlang> Razor-X: i think the math is easier than a lot of stuff in latex.... like float placement...
[06:17] <Razor-X> oh, and by the way, a simple poll, what text editor do you use?
[06:17] <TiMiDo> !faq
[06:17] <ubotu> I guess faq is Frequently Asked Questions you can check it out from here ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[06:18] <Razor-X> bwlang: hmmm, I find math a bit harder, probably because i'm so used to the way I just do it in paper
[06:18] <Razor-X> I can't stand Word's usage of math, my paper figures are too ingrained in me
[06:18] <bwlang> Razor-X: emacs is good... but kile is the easiest
[06:18] <Razor-X> bwlang: can you tell mewhat i'm doing wrong here? \begin{math}\{\begin{array}{c|c}
[06:18] <Razor-X> x & x\inA \textrm{or }x\inB
[06:18] <Razor-X> \end{array}
[06:18] <Razor-X> \end{math}
[06:18] <vinux> _pax, Good question...... But I would buy one every 6 months
[06:18] <Razor-X> ahhh, yeah, i'm an emacs user meself ;)
[06:18] <quam> starshine: installed, what am i supposd to be doing with it now?
[06:19] <Razor-X> recently switched from vi XD
[06:19] <pete> _pax: a good user's guide has to read like a story. You get 20-30 people who are willing to contribute and you glue everything together before you start writing
[06:19] <_pax> vinux: good man. I'm thinking about buying an Ubuntu thong for my girl.
[06:19] <vinux> _pax, hehehe
[06:20] <_pax> I'm serious.
[06:20] <Razor-X> pete: like I said, i'm working on a command-line guide
[06:20] <vinux> _pax, oh yea they have them right?
[06:20] <Razor-X> _pax: custom-order/ ;)
[06:20] <Razor-X> *?
[06:20] <pete> just like the latest edition of the latex companion since we're talking about that. what a great piece of work. And so sad that you have to buy it in paper!
[06:20] <starshine> quam: ok I found a monspace ttf font I think, sending you a zip of it and its share/freeware note
[06:20] <_pax> Nop, the Ubuntu thong can be found here: http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop/
[06:20] <vinux> _pax, so which you like best? ubuntu or debian?
[06:20] <Razor-X> pete: lshort brought me up to date
[06:20] <quam> _pax, make sure you get one too small, so it rides up :P
[06:21] <quam> starshine: license shmicense
[06:21] <_pax> vinux: I'm too new to linux to have an opinion about distros, but I'm a happy camper with Ubuntu.
[06:21] <pete> Razor-x: that would rock. I own "commandlineinterface.org"!
[06:21] <pete> not that I mind Gnome.
[06:21] <_pax> quam: lol
[06:21] <vladuz976> hey guys the stuff on wiki on how to fix resolution doesn't help
[06:21] <starshine> quam: matters not, I don't have anything to hand that will cause anyone but the scaredy-cattest photoshop haus a problem
[06:21] <Razor-X> pete: really?
[06:22] <pete> but I really believe you can be much more efficient without having to use the mouse or any kind of GUI
[06:22] <starshine> quam: I've done better license-hunting than most of those guys too :D
[06:22] <Razor-X> pete: I do almost everything in GUI
[06:22] <Razor-X> *CLI
[06:22] <Razor-X> errr!
[06:22] <pestilence> Razor-X: what error does it give you?  you probably want \left\{ and \right\} instead of \{ \}
[06:22] <Razor-X> in fact, my web browser and PDF viewer are the only frequent things I use in GUI
[06:22] <Razor-X> pestilence: lemme copy and paste it, hold on
[06:23] <pestilence> Razor-X: and i didn't know about \textrm, i thought it was \mathrm{}~
[06:23] <Razor-X> ! Undefined control sequence.
[06:23] <Razor-X> l.53 x & x\inA
[06:23] <ubotu> Razor-X: I don't know
[06:23] <Razor-X>                \textrm{or }x\inB
[06:23] <pestilence> no ~ of course :)
[06:23] <pestilence> ya, try \mathrm{ or }
[06:23] <vinux> pete, which do you like better ubuntu or debian?
[06:23] <Razor-X> odd... that's what the book says...
[06:23] <r0d> whats the package for mp3codec in the repository?
[06:23] <Razor-X> \mathrm prints what's in {} as normal LaTeX text?
[06:23] <pestilence> yes
[06:24] <Razor-X> cool
[06:24] <kikkoman> how do i get the sound working for flash?
[06:24] <Razor-X> nope
[06:24] <Razor-X> again, same error
[06:24] <pete> vinux: I love the concept of linux, but I don't have the time to compile/configure/debug everything everyday
[06:25] <quam> starshine, geez, wtf is with my font setup :P i put it in my ~/.fonts dir and it's still not showing
[06:25] <pete> so: ubuntu rules. I can pick and choose my battles!
[06:25] <Razor-X> pete: what does that have to do with Debian?
[06:25] <sysrq> quam: fc-cache -fv to update the font cache
[06:25] <Razor-X> I should compile emacs... ya know....
[06:25] <Razor-X> maybe i'll get my lazy ass to do that ;)
[06:25] <pete> I never thought I'd be happy on a G4 powerbook with linux, but I've been running it constantly for the last 3 weeks or so
[06:25] <pestilence> well, i suppose it could be the \inA and \inB...
[06:25] <PaloDeQueso> So I'm trying to manually install the latest nvidia drivers and I got to the point where it wants to start compiling, like it found /usr/src/linux and was happy, but then it gave an error message say ing I should read the log and exited :( So I read the log and I can't make haeads or tails of it, perhaps someone can help?
[06:26] <Razor-X> just like my compiled terminal ;)
[06:26] <sysrq> why would you compile it if it's in the repositorys
[06:26] <qatsi> ahhh !! need help with my wireless card, plz
[06:26] <pestilence> you should put spaces in there for readability anyways
[06:26] <Razor-X> pestilence: that's what I did before, I removed the ' ' afraid of a compiler error
[06:26] <pete> took the usual night to get the sound working, another night to get xine working, etc
[06:26] <sysrq> PaloDeQueso: use the ubuntu packaged nvidia drivers
[06:26] <pete> MA401 works like a beaut!
[06:26] <Razor-X> ahhh, that did the trick pestilence  ;)
[06:27] <bwlang> Razor-X: sorry about the delay... you're spacing is all wrong... \in needs to have whitespace around it...
[06:27] <PaloDeQueso> sysrq , But I was thinking I could get a small performance boost from using newer ones?
[06:27] <quam> sysrq: thx
[06:27] <qatsi> ahhh !! need help with my wireless card, plz. I have it installed but i just cant turn it on !!!, theres a button to do it (Function F2), but it dosnt work under ubuntu, under windows it does, but not from here. Need help
[06:27] <Razor-X> now for some more errors ;)
[06:27] <sysrq> PaloDeQueso: doubtful
[06:27] <quam> star: ok, arcade is loaded, it's blurry as hell, but it's loaded
[06:27] <Razor-X> bwlang: I find out about that now ;)
[06:27] <Razor-X> lshort has quite a few mess-ups, it seems
[06:27] <PaloDeQueso> Perhaps I coiuld try it if anyone knows how?
[06:27] <PaloDeQueso> with the new drivers I can overclock too!
[06:27] <qatsi> plz help me !!!
[06:28] <starshine> quam: yeah its dots are huge, it's clearly intended for a goofball font
[06:28] <bwlang> Razor-X: probably this is better off in a latex group
[06:28] <quam> starshine: i think i'll just giveup and use the program in console :p
[06:28] <quam> starshine: all this trouble can't be worth it
[06:28] <starshine> quam: mainly its a test, lemme get you a type I ..
[06:28] <quam> starshine: or rather, it can't be worth all this trouble
[06:28] <Razor-X> bwlang: hmm, #ubuntu cascades into LaTeX quite often
[06:28] <Razor-X> that, and since i'm a math LaTeX beginner, I don't want to sound like an idiot
[06:28] <Arkainium> how can I ensure that my apache server is private/secure? I just want to use it for testing.  Is setting 'Deny all' to the site config enough?
[06:29] <starshine> quam: ok, but getting the tetex precision fonts would still be a good idea
[06:29] <pete> and there's nothing wrong with that (ubuntu cascading into latex)
[06:29] <Razor-X> hehe
[06:29] <quam> starshine: when i ran redhat years ago, i had the same issues trying to find a font to match console, but redhat let me use the linux8x16 font and everything was ok :p
[06:29] <Razor-X> LaTeX is awesome, i'm gonna do all my essays in that hence forth
[06:29] <starshine> quam: they probably ran a converter on the fly
[06:30] <Razor-X> quam: I take mine at 9x15, but I scale down the resulting terminal
[06:30] <pete> having spent the last 4 years buying into os X I swear that that debian is so much cleaner for science/tech applications
[06:30] <starshine> Razor-X: if you know how to convince gnome-terminal to use pcf's he already wins
[06:30] <quam> razor-x: what are you talking about?
[06:30] <xero> anybody know how to use gmailfs ?
[06:30] <pete> razor-x: you are right. welcome to enlightenment!
[06:30] <quam> Razor-X, im trying to get a console font look in a gnome terminal window, don't start confusing me now :p
[06:31] <bi0nic> How come my aterm terminal gets grey when i try to maximize it? or resize it?
[06:31] <Razor-X> quam: term stuff
[06:31] <Razor-X> pete: hehe, well, eterm needs TTF support
[06:31] <pete> once you get your templates all set up, you'll never produce a crappy document
[06:31] <Razor-X> bi0nic: switch to aterm ;)
[06:31] <Razor-X> *eterm
[06:31] <bi0nic> Razor-X, thats what i said :)
[06:31] <bi0nic> hehe yeah maybe
[06:31] <pete> I am the ULTIMATE switcher
[06:31] <quam> starshine: guess i'll just change my init level, start using irssi and other console crap :P
[06:31] <pete> and I keep coming back to the same fundamentals
[06:31] <Razor-X> quam: that's the spirit
[06:32] <pete> latex
[06:32] <quam> starshine: cause i don't like doing the alt + crap going back and forth between X and console
[06:32] <starshine> hmm I wonder if one of the larabie fonts is a decent monospace/console type, that guy cares about his hinting...
[06:32] <Razor-X> and don't forget about your textMedia Player
[06:32] <pete> free software
[06:32] <Razor-X> quam: you never used the terminal??
[06:32] <starshine> quam: I use irssi under console as well as X, it runs just grand from under screen
[06:32] <Razor-X> ahhh, screen
[06:32] <miracleblue> hiya
[06:32] <quam> terminal? dude, terminal doesn't have the font i require to run kbtin without problems
[06:32] <Razor-X> a terminal user's best friend
[06:32] <pete> what's the best CLI AIM client?
[06:32] <gm78> I have just installed mythtv on my Ubuntu box.  It says I need to run mythtv-setup as user mythtv. When I log in as user mythtv (by sudo -s and then su mythtv) it won't let me connect to the xserver. How do I make this possible? There used to be a command that let everyone access the x server
[06:33] <quam> starshine: i want kbtin :P kbtin doesn't like X fonts :P
[06:33] <bi0nic> Razor-X, ow eterm was sweet
[06:33] <starshine> quam: but I might be able to recommend alternative terminal apps if that will help
[06:33] <quam> recommend away :p
[06:33] <Razor-X> pete: nAIM for me
[06:33] <starshine> quam: myself I use xterm and hacked the app-defaults to my preferred set of fonts
[06:33] <Razor-X> quam: what font?
[06:33] <quam> razor: whatever the hell the default linux console font is :P
[06:34] <pete> for some reason naim wouldn't compile. and porky sucked
[06:34] <starshine> quam: anyways you can junk that arcade font if you want to
[06:34] <quam> i dont :P
[06:34] <Razor-X> but, if you must use Oscar, use pork
[06:34] <quam> oh, i mean i do :
[06:34] <quam> :P
[06:34] <quam> read that as "run" instead of junk
[06:34] <Razor-X> quam: try the font "8x13"
[06:34] <quam> Razor-X, 8x13 isn't on my list of fonts for gnome terminal
[06:35] <pete> as a new ubuntu user I must say that the synaptic manager is amazing
[06:35] <miracleblue> hmm, well since everyone is asking their technical questions, i might as well ask my own.  First question, I'm looking for a way to play Windows Media Video 9 files on Linux.  I've tried VLC, but it needs codecs I think
[06:35] <Razor-X> quam: ..... you're a heavy console user, and you use the default Ubuntu terminal?
[06:35] <kikkoman> how do i install kubuntu-desktop?
[06:35] <Razor-X> pete: it's all about aptitude, man ;)
[06:35] <pete> dselect was always my fav, but this really does work well
[06:35] <bionic> miracleblue, install the w32codec package
[06:35] <Razor-X> miracleblue: no, it seems the current vlc in the repos doesen't work with WMVs by default
[06:35] <quam> Razor-X, i was a heavy console user years ago. i stopped using linux for about 5 years and got out of the loop
[06:35] <xero> kikkoman: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop should do the trick
[06:35] <Razor-X> pete: ............... dselect?
[06:36] <Razor-X> quam: happened to me, but I came back in full-swing ;)
[06:36] <xero> kikkoman: or do it in synaptic
[06:36] <quam> Razor-X, give me some other terminal suggestions and i'll give them a looksi
[06:36] <pete> of course dselect
[06:36] <starshine> quam: apt-get install xterm, its default 6 fonts are all PCF types
[06:36] <Razor-X> quam: I suggest Eterm, it has fantastic console font support
[06:36] <miracleblue> okie dokie, thanks guys
[06:36] <Razor-X> starshine: xterm...? ewwww
[06:36] <kikkoman> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:36] <kikkoman>   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: konversation but it is not going to be installed
[06:36] <kikkoman> .. it says that when i use apt-get
[06:36] <starshine> Razor-X: hey, he's the one who wants pcfs.
[06:36] <bionic> miracleblue, sudo apt-get install w32codecs , dunno if that will solve it tho
[06:36] <miracleblue> bionic ok thanks
[06:36] <Razor-X> Eterm runs waaay lighter than xterm, even with pictures and such
[06:37] <Razor-X> starshine: and Eterm delivers PCFs
[06:37] <bionic> np, going to bed, nn guys
[06:37] <quam> starshine, apparently i alredy have xterm :p
[06:37] <concept10> has anyone installed a mambo cms?
[06:37] <Razor-X> kikoman: sudo apt-get install konversation
[06:37] <Razor-X> quam: don't use xterm!
[06:37] <Razor-X> no, don't go over to the dark side!
[06:37] <benplaut> concept10: need help installing?
[06:37] <starshine> quam: does it satisfy the app?  if it does then like razor says, we can find you something lighter that serves em :)
[06:37] <xero> kikkoman: www.ubuntuguide.com read the part about adding extra repositories you probably have to do that
[06:37] <quam> haha
[06:37] <quam> starshine: i'll check in a sec
[06:37] <Razor-X> use Eterm, or you will be seduced into a piece of crap Terminal!
[06:38] <miracleblue> bionic, w32codecs has no installation candidate.  it doesnt like us.
[06:38] <cary> pfp, lemme know when youa re back if there is any chance you read this
[06:38] <Razor-X> miracleblue: sudo apt-cache search w32
[06:39] <pfp> cary: here
[06:39] <cary> nice
[06:39] <miracleblue> bionic, it said this: libtk-tablematrix-perl - Table/matrix widget extension to Perl/Tk
[06:39] <miracleblue> mingw32 - Minimalist GNU win32 (cross) compiler
[06:39] <miracleblue> mingw32-binutils - Minimalist GNU win32 (cross) binutils
[06:39] <miracleblue> mingw32-runtime - Minimalist GNU win32 (cross) runtime
[06:39] <Razor-X> screen is so kickass, but screen maintainers need to add in screen layers
[06:39] <cary> pfp, i removed the image
[06:39] <Razor-X> so you can layer screen in screen
[06:39] <RetarT> Hey guys, on my Mac Mini with Ubuntu Hoary, my CD-ROM only write and reads 1x speed...
[06:39] <quam> starshine: yes, xterm doesn't bleed the goddamn prompt line color all over the output like gnome terminal does. yay :P
[06:39] <RetarT> Anyone heard of this problem before?
[06:39] <cary> pfp, but i dont exactly know what im looking for in yaboot.conf. do you have any idea?
[06:39] <quam> starshine: all that bullshit for such a simple solution :p
[06:39] <Razor-X> I have only one warning using Eterm
[06:39] <Razor-X> if you pick a sexy background, your productivity may go down
[06:39] <poningru> are there any good vid editing software around?
[06:39] <quam> background shmackground
[06:40] <quam> i dont need a damn background in terminals :P
[06:40] <quam> that's windowsish :P
[06:40] <Razor-X> quam: even with the background, it's still much lighter than xterm
[06:40] <starshine> quam: probably *too* simple, here we were all going for glorious and your app wanted dull
[06:40] <quam> heh
[06:40] <Razor-X> quam: your eyes'll get raw when you look at a blank console window for hours and hours
[06:40] <quam> razor: what do you mean by lighter?
[06:40] <Razor-X> but now... I can stare... if I get bored...
[06:40] <miracleblue> hrm
[06:40] <Razor-X> quam: I mean, it uses less resources/CPU
[06:40] <quam> Razor-X, kbtin is a mud client :P i'll have plenty of text scrolling by to keep my eyes alive :P
[06:40] <bionic> miracleblue, im sorry, Razor-X or something gotta take over, im dead tired, i will try to help tomorrow tho. gn
[06:41] <starshine> quam: costs a little less memory. xterm has support for vector graphics and some keysets pretending to be termtypes most people have long since forgotten
[06:41] <cary> anyone, how do i get out of "less" as in i did "less yaboot.conf" ..how do i get out of that
[06:41] <Razor-X> quam: BitchX here ;)
[06:41] <miracleblue> bionic, thanks ^_^ sleep well
[06:41] <pfp> cary: just that still specifies your old image, correct filename etc
[06:41] <pfp> cary: press q .)
[06:41] <starshine> quam: rxvt would probably also suit
[06:41] <miracleblue> razor-x, i did the search, it came up with what i said up that way ^^^
[06:41] <quam> Razor-X, wtf is the name of the bin for eterm, i installed it to check it out, trying to run eterm and e-term with no success
[06:42] <Razor-X> miracleblue: lemme see then...
[06:42] <Razor-X> quam: Eterm
[06:42] <Razor-X> XD
[06:42] <Razor-X> forgot that Linux was case-sensitive, did you?
[06:42] <starshine> quam: starts with a capital
[06:42] <Razor-X> my Eterm is compiled though, so not only does it have a pretty icon, but, it's faster, and it has compiled twin support
[06:43] <_root_> can anybody get me a patch for cpio-2.5 CAN-2005-1229
[06:43] <Razor-X> still, the main advantage of compiling is the little icon ;)
[06:43] <quam> eterm seems to work too
[06:43] <miracleblue> oh how we love pretty icons
[06:43] <pfp> cary: you could check differences between the conf files with 'diff yaboot.conf yaboot.conf.old'
[06:43] <miracleblue> ^_^
[06:43] <starshine> quam: sounds like the main bug is gnome being snotty about pcf support
[06:43] <quam> heh
[06:43] <Razor-X> miracleblue: oh yes we do ;)
[06:43] <starshine> quam: there's a smorgasbord of alternative terminals :)
[06:43] <cary> i tyuped tghat. its just blinking. pfp
[06:44] <Razor-X> miracleblue: did you add the extra repositories?
[06:44] <pfp> cary: but i recall nalioth saying the conf is most probably ok
[06:44] <quam> starshine: but xterm don't have menu bars to change fonts and all that crap :P i gotta do that with command line options *cough* boooo
[06:44] <cary> well the conf file seems to look exactly the same
[06:44] <starshine> quam: ctrl right click on it
[06:44] <Razor-X> quam: but, the most notable are xterm (because it's old and legacy), Eterm, and aterm
[06:44] <cary> because i had earlier ##'ed out something
[06:44] <bestadvocate> hey anyone getting problems with rhythmbox in breezy?
[06:44] <ubotu> ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT has landed!
[06:44] <miracleblue> razor-x i added all the extra repositories that were already there in the synaptic package manager, with universe and multiverse
[06:44] <Razor-X> quam: I removed the menus from mine
[06:44] <starshine> quam: and apt-get install xtermset if you want your scripts to play with it too :)
[06:44] <bestadvocate> says something about the esound deamon not being able to be written too
[06:45] <cary> just in case, im going to un comment it
[06:45] <Razor-X> miracleblue: did you update?
[06:45] <pfp> cary: q doesn't work? hmm
[06:45] <starshine> quam: ctrl midclick and ctrl leftclick also give extra options
[06:45] <Razor-X> _YOU: no thanks ;)
[06:45] <quam> starshine: oh yeah, xterm + the huge font, so close to console it's nice :P
[06:45] <Razor-X> I think that idiot doesen't understand, this is Linux, not windows ;)
[06:45] <elroot> has anyone installed the cvs version of aMSN?
[06:45] <miracleblue> razor-x, yep, i updated about 10 minutes ago too
[06:45] <pfp> cary: could you pastebin the conf somewhere?
[06:46] <Razor-X> starshine: stop promoting xterm!
[06:46] <Razor-X> miracleblue: hmmm... not sure then...
[06:46] <Razor-X> xterm and rxvt are horrible horrible terminals
[06:46] <cary> pfp, btw, whatsure
[06:46] <bestadvocate> xterm? why?
[06:46] <cary> hah
[06:46] <quam> xterm is what i used to use back with redhat :P
[06:46] <cary> oops
[06:46] <starshine> Razor-X: but horrible horrible is what he *wanted*
[06:46] <cary> pfp, sure
[06:46] <quam> yes, horrible is what i wanted :p
[06:46] <pfp> what's wrong with xterm?
[06:47] <starshine> pfp: nothing, his "ugly" console app loved it.
[06:47] <elroot> how can I compile a program and make it to use a version of a library that i want ?..
[06:47] <pfp> heh
[06:47] <elroot> use for example a different version of libpng
[06:48] <miracleblue> razor-x ive also got another question, i want xplanet to show up on my desktop background on Ubuntu, but since technically I'm not logged in as root since my user name is something else and Ubuntu doesnt like it when you log in as root, it wont show up, untill i shut down and it shows the root window for a brief second, which actually has it running
[06:48] <_ME> HAS ENCOUNTERED A SERIOUS ERROR, PLEASE PRESS ALT-F4 TO CONTINUE.
[06:48] <benplaut> ^^hehe..
[06:48] <starshine> quam: try out aterm, it's related, but has the transparency and some other fun if you want em.
[06:48] <benplaut> (that was ME)
[06:48] <starshine> Razor-X: happy? :)
[06:48] <cary> pfp, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/150
[06:48] <WIN_ME> +
[06:48] <WIN_ME> more accurate :)
[06:48] <miracleblue> lol
[06:49] <WIN_ME> HAS ENCOUNTERED A SERIOUS ERROR, PLEASE PRESS ALT-F4 TO CONTINUE.
[06:49] <quam> starshine: i have no need for that transparency crap :P if i wanted fluffy bloated bullshit, i'd use windows :P
[06:49] <sysrq> I'm happy with urxvt
[06:49] <WIN_ME> Perfect!
[06:49] <pfp> but why
[06:49] <miracleblue> i love the screensaver i have, the one that emulates all the different blue screen of deaths you can get on all the different operating systems.  its hilarious
[06:49] <cary> pfp, but why what
[06:49] <benplaut> hehe... i love tabs
[06:49] <benplaut> <<WIN_ME
[06:49] <sysrq> it's lighter than both xterm and Eterm and supports UTF-8
[06:50] <pfp> cary: just referring to that WIN_ME :)
[06:50] <starshine> quam: it happens to carve out the "fluffy bloated" tectronix support that makes xterm rather weighty, whether you use its transparency or not.
[06:50] <benplaut> pfp: that was me :)
[06:50] <starshine> quam: basically just about every xterm derivitive leaves that out ;D
[06:50] <cary> pfp...ahahah...win me. its like the biggest joke OS ever.
[06:50] <bestadvocate> i like the makes jack a dull boy screensaver
[06:50] <pfp> benplaut: heh, ok :)
[06:50] <benplaut> bubye
[06:50] <AMDXP> ben_d: share
[06:50] <bestadvocate> its like the screensaver for insane asylums
[06:50] <AMDXP> benplaut: share
[06:50] <miracleblue> Win98 ladies and gentlemen, swiss cheese anyone?
[06:51] <bestadvocate> cary
[06:51] <starshine> benplaut: bring back something that's not pepperoni
[06:51] <bestadvocate> what about bob?
[06:51] <finlaylabs> anyone can anser elroot's question? Applies to me too... quote <elroot> "how can I compile a program and make it to use a version of a library that i want ?.."
[06:51] <cary> bestadvocate, yeah?
[06:51] <bestadvocate> finlaylabs: i have no idea
[06:51] <pestilence> finlaylabs: -lyourfavoritelibraryhere
[06:52] <bestadvocate> what about MS. BOB (not really an os just an attempt to replace it)
[06:52] <pestilence> and possibly -L/path/to/your/fav/library
[06:52] <quam> starshine:  i irc, mud, use instant messaging crap, and browse the web :P if i need the small amount of resources that xterm is using at a later date, i'll look into something eles :P
[06:52] <miracleblue> ms. bob?
[06:52] <bestadvocate> Microsoft Bob.
[06:52] <pestilence> and also -I/path/to/your/fav/lib/includes
[06:52] <miracleblue> i still dont get it, oh well
[06:52] <starshine> quam: fair enough, have fun on ubuntu :D
[06:52] <quam> starshine: until i get the feel of linux again, i won't be doing any kind of development type crap or anything else that requires too much though or resources :p
[06:52] <pfp> cary: hmm, are /boot/vmlinux and /boot/vmlinux.old symlinks to some other files?
[06:52] <bestadvocate> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob
[06:53] <quam> starshine: thanks again
[06:53] <starshine> quam: yw
[06:53] <miracleblue> hahaha!
[06:53] <gm78> quam : www.ubuntuguide.org is a good place to start to get comfortable wiht Linux (or at least Ubuntu) agaijn
[06:53] <gm78> *again
[06:54] <gm78> *with
[06:54] <miracleblue> bestadvocate: thats hilarious
[06:54] <starshine> quam: you can always look at its app-defaults file if you decide you want a different font on one of its menu items. I did that for a "presentation" mode and it's great
[06:54] <finlaylabs> pestilence: thanks. Will try.
[06:54] <bestadvocate> yes Ms. Bob was funny
[06:54] <quam> gm78: the ops in here told me ubuntuguide was a piece of shit and following the instructions there was a good way to get some non supported packages mixed up in your system and possibly get things awry
[06:54] <starshine> quam: admitted on many of the others I could pick from a menu... ;>
[06:54] <cary> pfp, im not realy sure
[06:56] <cary> pfp, im not really sure what thye are i guess.
[06:56] <elroot> has anyone installed sicesfully amsn cervisia in ubuntu?
[06:56] <pfp> cary: you can check it with 'ls -l' inside /boot. if the file names have ' -> vmlinux-123.ver.sion', they are symbolic links to those files
[06:56] <elroot> *sucesfully
[06:57] <pfp> cary: symlinks in unix are about the same as aliases in Mac OS(X)
[06:57] <cary> pfp, ahha.
[06:57] <miracleblue> nerf
[06:58] <tito_> Does anyone know how to restore the trash icon?
[06:58] <pfp> cary: the idea is that installing a new kernel just changes the symlink, so there is no need to change the file names inside yaboot.conf
[06:58] <dockane> maybe a stupid question: on bash i called a 2 liner with "cursor up" from history and see that i don like to use. what tha sortest way to get rid of it and clean the prompt from it ?
[06:58] <cary> pfp, im going to paste the ls -l result
[06:58] <miracleblue> man i hate compiling source, 90% of the time there is always an arror about a dependancy i know i have but it cant find, then i cant find the environmental variable to fix it.
[06:58] <pfp> cary: good
[06:59] <cary> pfp, done.
[06:59] <cary> 151
[06:59] <miracleblue> and it all comes crashing down and dies a horrible painful death and sits there decomposing in my system.  bah.
[07:00] <dr_willis> tito_,  right click on the panel and use the 'add to panel'  stuff.
[07:00] <pestilence> dockane: rm .bash_history ?
[07:01] <tito_> dr_willis: is there a way to get it back into the window switcher preview?
[07:02] <bestadvocate> i am sooooo boorred and friggin rhythmbox is soo broken
[07:02] <TiMiDo> broken?
[07:03] <TiMiDo> in what way
[07:03] <dockane> pestilence, ehhm ok that would delete the history, but i all i would like to do it somehting like "end", "shift+pos1" & "del"
[07:03] <bestadvocate> well whenever  i play a song it just skipps over it and says something about esound deamon not being able to be written too
[07:04] <cary> pfp, make any sense?
[07:04] <cary> bestadvocate, did i miss someting you said to me?
[07:04] <pfp> cary: yep
[07:04] <pestilence> dockane: i don't understand.
[07:04] <dockane> pestilence, backspace untill each chaacter gets deleted takes a while and deleting just a few charakter and pressing enter is no good idea
[07:04] <cary> pfp, so can you translate into noob?
[07:05] <bestadvocate> cary nope not pecicularly
[07:05] <bestadvocate> woh rhythmbox just started working randomly
[07:05] <pestilence> dockane: learn emacs, or switch to vi mode if you know vi
[07:05] <bestadvocate> breezy is so strange
[07:05] <bestadvocate> i never  know when i should file bugs or just wait a half hour
[07:05] <pestilence> the default mode for the shell in ubuntu is emacs, so emacs shortcuts should work
[07:05] <crazyhorse> lol bestadvocate
[07:05] <cary> bestadvocate, oh..i just saw my name but nothing after it
[07:05] <TiMiDo> is it? or is just the guy that's using it is stranged?
[07:06] <crazyhorse> TiMiDo, perhaps both? ;)
[07:06] <cary> pfp, so should i risk a reboot?
[07:06] <tito_> does anyone have problems with a fast clock on their system?
[07:06] <TiMiDo> cary: reboot for what?
[07:06] <pfp> cary: so, yaboot.conf specifies two kernels; /boot/vmlinux and /boot/vmlinux.old, whenever you 'dpkg -i linux-image_blaa.deb', the installer changes those symlinks to point to /boot/vmlinux-blaa.ver.sion
[07:07] <bestadvocate> hehehe! i hit the shuffle button and rhythmbox crashed
[07:07] <dockane> pestilence, i don't know what irc client you are using (probably irssi if you recommend vi and emacs ;) but pressing shitf+pos1 i.e. in xchat highlits the complete line (which then can get erased with one button)
[07:08] <pfp> cary: it would be safe to add a yaboot.conf section that points directly to vmlinux-2.6.10-5-powerpc (the original kernel), that way you always have a safe fallback
[07:08] <pestilence> dockane: ah.  i really was not understanding what you wanted to do
[07:08] <cary> pfp, so that'd be like pasting in a new area of the conf file with a full path to the original kernel
[07:08] <pestilence> thought you were asking about the command line
[07:08] <squinn> is it possible..then when sending a message to a list in evolution, you can get your own message back
[07:09] <qatsi> please, help !! im about to kill my computer !!!
[07:09] <pestilence> since you asked about "bash"
[07:09] <tito_> i always need to reset the time on my clock - the default clock keeps pushing the time to fast!
[07:09] <qatsi> no one ?
[07:09] <bestadvocate> qatsi? you have the new living model?  i want one of those!  living computers are so rare these days
[07:09] <qatsi> yep :D
[07:09] <dockane> pestilence, so my first question was what is the quickest way to red of a 2 liner in bash.
[07:09] <bestadvocate> whats the prob dude?
[07:09] <dockane> *rid
[07:10] <pestilence> dockane: which is why i suggested learning emacs commands
[07:10] <qatsi> bestadvocate: they are so good, but you cant get their wireless network card to be on, not off :)
[07:10] <pfp> cary: yep... check 153
[07:10] <pestilence> dockane: i believe it's ctrl+A or ctrl+U or ctrl+u.  but not sure.
[07:10] <pestilence> dockane: i use vi mode, which is different.
[07:11] <bestadvocate> qatsi: sorr never did get my wireless card runnning, finding the actuall dll file proved too much work
[07:11] <qatsi> bestadvocate: im trying to get my wireless card to work, but its hard, almos imposible if i dont turn it on....i have a button here to do so, but ubuntu wont listen :p
[07:11] <cary> so ifi directly copy that, it should in theory work. (btw i was just in the process of trying to write my own. so thanks~)
[07:11] <cary> pfp ~^
[07:11] <qatsi> bestadvocate darn, nobody can get wireless working, seems like hell to ubuntu
[07:12] <bestadvocate> qatsi: all i can do is point to you the help wiki's  (all of linux is in the crapper as far as wireless goes, much like CSS DVD's)
[07:12] <dr_willis> yea - wireless cards are the new generation of 'winmodem' fiasco.
[07:12] <dockane> pestilence, i think i've just realised that using one the editors is not just editing but juggle with the cursor on a terminal
[07:12] <jbroome> it works fine with my orinoco gold card.  I don't have built-in wireless.. maybe that's why I didn't have any trouble with it
[07:12] <qatsi> bestadvocate ja, ok, ill check the wikis......
[07:13] <pestilence> dockane: perhaps i'm just tired, but i have a really hard time parsing that.
[07:13] <pfp> cary: yep, it should (ofc you should write your own, but dealing with boot loaders is a bit risky (as if i knew any better))
[07:13] <pestilence> maybe somebody else can help you :-/
[07:14] <cary> oaky, im going ot save and go for it and then if it works, do that problemsoundhoary link i got earlier, then try to tweak the conf to make macosx the defaulf
[07:14] <cary> brb!
[07:14] <cary> (and as always thanks)
[07:14] <bestadvocate> gtg good night and good luck everyone
[07:15] <brady> is there a zodb package? when i apt-cache search zodb, i get zope stuff (but i just want zodb)
[07:15] <Octane> man this is unbelievable! I have had 10 HARD system crashes due to the same error (trying to unmount an ipod) and my partitions are working flawlessly
[07:15] <Octane> how do you explain that??
[07:16] <dr_willis> The Linux philosophy is to laugh in the face of danger. Oops. Wrong one. Do it yourself. That's it. (Linus Torvalds)
[07:16] <djs> qatsi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards might help
[07:17] <pepperpot> dr_willis, which philosophy is it to laugh in the face of danger?
[07:17] <pepperpot> microsoft?
[07:18] <qatsi> djs thanx, ill check it out :)
[07:18] <pfp> ms' philosophy is to laugh at the user's face i believe
[07:18] <tuppa> s/user's/customers/
[07:18] <tuppa> and be able to get away with it
[07:18] <pfp> yep
[07:18] <tuppa> then charge another bundle as "upgrades"
[07:19] <cary> pfp, no love
[07:19] <cary> im booted to "old" now pfp
[07:19] <cary> pfp do i have to update the bootstrap or anything?
[07:19] <pfp> cary: booting to 'original' didn't work?
[07:20] <tito_> MS is laughin at us now that they have the Gentoo developer...
[07:20] <starshine> tito_: I thought he'd stopped working on gentoo stuff for awhile though..
[07:20] <pfp> cary: or was there none offered?
[07:20] <cary> well hitting enter at the yaboot thing didnt work..said file not found, then i hit tab, and it listed Linux and old
[07:20] <FR500> hellp
[07:20] <cary> only two kernel sleectsion, aparently
[07:20] <FR500> hello i mean
[07:20] <tito_> ah, maybe - whatever floats his boat, i guess
[07:20] <FR500> how can i convert flac files to ogg or mp3?
[07:21] <james> hello, Does anyone use TeamSpeak?
[07:21] <cary> pfp, the site you sent me about osx default mentions this: pfp
[07:21] <cary> granted, this is for updating the yaboot to have osx as default, but i tmay still apply, pfp
[07:21] <cary> second - and critical - step is to actually install the updated bootstrap loader configuration file, and thats done with
[07:21] <cary> /sbin/ybin -v
[07:22] <stevenj> anyone know where I can filter.g (for adblock/firefox extension) -- the main site is down
[07:22] <stevenj> can get
[07:22] <pfp> cary: ah, yes, didn't realize that
[07:23] <cary> so i shoudl do that?
[07:23] <tito_> do you know what he's been working on lately?
[07:23] <pfp> cary: yep
[07:23] <cary> doing so now
[07:24] <pfp> cary: that 'file not found' probably came because there's no /boot/vmlinux
[07:24] <cary> i wonder if that is what screwed up my kernel (doubt it)
[07:24] <cary> i have sbin but no ybin, pfp
[07:25] <brady> anybody have any ideas about zodb?
[07:25] <pfp> cary: hmm don't think so... looking at the picture, the bootloader seemed to load it fine, but then the kernel itself seemed to get trouble
[07:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is there a program here that will tell you how much battry power you have left in your mouse?
[07:25] <cary> pfp, yeah..that was optimism. hah
[07:25] <cary> what IS /sbin/ybin -v pfp
[07:26] <cary> and as mentioned, i have sbin but no subdir called ybin
[07:27] <cjs> why wont stupid xchat remember any of my settings
[07:27] <cjs> oh, save settings, lol
[07:27] <pfp> cary: hmm, maybe the command is called something else on ubuntu... anyway, it reads yaboot.conf and prolly some other stuff and writes it to a location on your disk, where yaboot can find it when booting
[07:27] <pfp> cary: ybin should be an executable file (ie. command), not a directory
[07:28] <cjs> actually, it doesnt have a save settings
[07:28] <cary> ahha
[07:28] <cjs> so, now im curious why its not saving them
[07:28] <cary> !
[07:28] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, cary
[07:28] <cary> weeee! using it as a command worked, imagine that, pfp
[07:29] <pfp> cary:  :)
[07:29] <cary> ubotu, fortunately, neither do i!
[07:29] <ubotu> cary: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:29] <pfp> heh
[07:29] <cary> ubotu, as of now its figured out i think
[07:29] <ubotu> cary: Wish i knew
[07:29] <PhilipLeMarchand> so is there an app for mouse battry power?
[07:29] <cary> ubotu, i was trying to find a directory that was actually a command
[07:29] <ubotu> cary: I don't know
[07:29] <cary> is that some osrt of bot?
[07:29] <pfp> yep
[07:29] <cary> lame
[07:30] <cary> i get it now
[07:30] <cary> uBOTu
[07:30] <cary> lame.
[07:30] <pfp> hehe
[07:30] <PhilipLeMarchand> <--not a bot
[07:30] <cary> okay, here goes a reboot pfp
[07:30] <pfp> cary: luck
[07:31] <tito_> KarlosII, what's so great about your game?
[07:32] <_root_> can anybody get me a patch for cpio-2.5 CAN-2005-1229
[07:37] <jugon> buenas
[07:37] <darkcmd> whats the name of the GNOME menu editor from Ubuntu?
[07:37] <jugon> hi anyone can help me with the installation of phpmyadmin?
[07:37] <jugon> when i get into localhost/phmyadmin
[07:38] <cary> BAH!
[07:38] <cary> BAH I SAY
[07:38] <pfp> :'(
[07:38] <cary> i wrote down the error
[07:38] <djs> darkcmd: smeg is a menu editor (not sure if it's from Ubuntu)
[07:38] <jugon> says The requested URL /cgi-bin/php4/phpmyadmin/index.php was not found on this server.
[07:38] <FR500> is there any good audio format converter? (with a gtk gui)
[07:39] <cary> # /pic@f40000000/ata-6@d/disk@0:6, /boot/vmlinux: no such file
[07:39] <RattUs> hey fellas
[07:39] <djs> FR500: audacity might be worth a look
[07:39] <RattUs> i just wanted to ask a quick question
[07:40] <FR500> djs, ok
[07:40] <jugon> me too and i were not answered :P
[07:40] <concept10> jugon, what are you trying to do?
[07:40] <FR500> djs, thanks
[07:40] <jugon> im trying to get to phpmyadmin inside /var/www
[07:40] <djs> FR500: really an editor but handles multiple formats
[07:40] <RattUs> does any1 know the default password for the ubuntu account on the live distro for hoary 5.04
[07:40] <RattUs> ?
[07:40] <jugon> but when i type localhost/phmyadmin
[07:40] <jugon> goes to cgi
[07:40] <concept10> jugon, yes but what is your task?
[07:40] <jugon> /lib/cgi-bin/phmyadmin
[07:40] <jugon> where thereis no phmyadmin
[07:41] <pfp> cary: mmm that's because /boot/vmlinux doesn't exist, it was probably removed when you dpkg --remove'd the custom kernel
[07:41] <FR500> RattUs, u set it while installing
[07:41] <darkcmd> whats the name of the ubuntu gnome editing program?
[07:41] <cary> RattUs, i wondered that too when i booted it. i accidetnally locked my screen hah
[07:41] <concept10> jugon, youre not explaining what you are trying to do
[07:41] <concept10> darkcmd, smeg
[07:41] <RattUs> yeah thats exactly what i did
[07:41] <darkcmd> thanks
[07:41] <jugon> im trying to get inside var/www
[07:41] <djs> Rattus: Does leaving it blank work?
[07:41] <RattUs> i locked my screen out and I dont wanna reboot
[07:41] <jugon> instead cgi-bin
[07:41] <RattUs> nah blank doesnt work
[07:42] <cary> pfp, shoudl i put a manual path? im not really sure the boto strap isbeing updated
[07:42] <RattUs> cos it just created the account automatically
[07:42] <concept10> okay, one more time : What are you trying to do with phpmysqladmin?  Create user?  Database?
[07:42] <jugon> is there any config fle in apache?
[07:42] <jugon> ehm
[07:42] <RattUs> any1 know?
[07:42] <jugon> look
[07:42] <pfp> cary: so, if you'd like to use the Linux entry for booting linux, you could recreate the symlink
[07:42] <jugon> The requested URL /cgi-bin/php4/phpmyadmin/index.php was not found on this server.
[07:42] <jugon> see?
[07:43] <pfp> cary: did you see the 'original' there now?
[07:43] <cary> pfp, how do i check my active kernel version again?
[07:43] <jugon> when i put localhost/phpmyadmin
[07:43] <pfp> cary: uname -r
[07:43] <jugon> like is supposed to work
[07:43] <jugon> they went to the path of cgis
[07:43] <RattUs> pfp u got any ideas?
[07:43] <jugon> /usr/lib/cgi-bin/
[07:43] <cary> booted to 2.6.10.5
[07:43] <cary> (ppc)
[07:43] <jugon> instead of /va/www/phpmyadmin
[07:43] <jugon> where is really placed
[07:44] <cary> im gonna paste the dir contents
[07:44] <pfp> RattUs: mm what's the prob
[07:44] <RattUs> lol
[07:44] <finlaylabs> are there hot-keys to kill xserver so I can do dpkg-reconfigure from the command-line? Default install sets up for my LCD display all wrong - cannot see desktop.
[07:44] <concept10> jugon, type in the ip for that machine for example http://192.168.2.31/phpmyadmin/
[07:44] <RattUs> i need the password for the default ubuntu account on the live cd
[07:44] <RattUs> cos I locked out
[07:44] <cary> pfp, so...i pasted the contents of my boot dir
[07:44] <cary> 154
[07:44] <jugon> lol
[07:44] <pfp> RattUs: ah, live cd password... no idea besides 'ubuntu' or blank, sorry
[07:44] <jugon> is the same that localhost or machine name
[07:45] <RattUs> damn it!!!....
[07:45] <Doomgaze> finlaylabs, ctrl alt-f2 should get you to a command prompt
[07:45] <pfp> RattUs: that's a common question here though
[07:45] <Doomgaze> finlaylabs, if you need to , you can ps aux and kill the xserver
[07:45] <RattUs> hey that ctrl-alt-f2 worked for me
[07:46] <cary> pfp, one thing im pissed about is i had my hd partitioned to use number 5 (according to the install booter) but it ended up using 6 (ddidnt realzie that for a while)..so lost 10 gigs (whihc was the partition i had set for linux)
[07:46] <jugon> live-cd usually when i tried the pass were root or demo
[07:46] <concept10> jugon, whatever the ip address is on the computer phpmyadmin is on
[07:46] <cary> (at this point it seems like way too much work to get it back
[07:46] <RattUs> what the password thing?
[07:46] <jugon> with the same login
[07:46] <jugon> erhm concept10
[07:46] <finlaylabs> Doomgaze: does, but then xserver is still in use, so reconfigure wont let me access the files... thats why I want to kill it first.
[07:46] <jugon> is the same
[07:46] <RattUs> when I try to start x at the prompt, is says its already active
[07:46] <RattUs> how do i load it back up then?
[07:46] <jugon> is there anythin in the debian installation packages of phpmyadmin
[07:46] <finlaylabs> Doomgaze: ps aux?
[07:47] <jugon> that tells that is a cgi
[07:47] <Doomgaze> finlaylabs, that lists all current running processes
[07:47] <jugon> instead a variable document
[07:47] <Doomgaze> finlaylabs, however, you could also find the relevant script in /etc/init.d
[07:47] <concept10> jugon, run ifconfig on that machine, and get the ip address, use that
[07:47] <Razor-X> can you do number lines in LaTeX?
[07:47] <Doomgaze> finlaylabs, and do a ./script stop on it
[07:47] <jugon> .........
[07:47] <RattUs> pfp?
[07:47] <jugon> i know the ip
[07:47] <Doomgaze> finlaylabs, that is the preferred way
[07:47] <Razor-X> like, math number lines
[07:47] <jugon> public and private
[07:47] <concept10> use the private
[07:48] <RattUs> u know how to load x?
[07:48] <pfp> RattUs: alt-F7 (or some other F, livecd may put it on different VC)
[07:48] <jugon> lol
[07:48] <cary> pfp, so how woudl i recreat the symlink?
[07:48] <RattUs> ah crap then it comes back to the login when I do that
[07:48] <pfp> RattUs: your X should be there if you did ctrl-alt-F1 previously
[07:48] <cary> (in short i dont want to have to type old every time)
[07:48] <Doomgaze> RattUs, ctrl-alt-f7 or ctrl-alt-f5 or one of those
[07:48] <Doomgaze> RattUs, gets you back to X
[07:49] <Razor-X> no-one here using LaTeX, at the moment? :(
[07:49] <pfp> cary: ok... (that partition thing might take a while to solve)
[07:49] <RattUs> doomgaze: when i do ctrl-alt-f5
[07:49] <cary> pfp, yeha. i am counting it lost for now
[07:49] <RattUs> it stays on cmd prompt
[07:49] <pfp> cary: cd /boot, then 'ln -s vmlinux-2.6.10-5-powerpc vmlinux'
[07:49] <Doomgaze> then maybe its ctrl-alt-f7.. i guess i can check
[07:49] <brodmann> i just downloaded planeshift
[07:49] <brodmann> how do i install it?
[07:50] <Razor-X> brodmann: what form is the install in?
[07:50] <darkcmd> does smeg work under debian
[07:50] <RattUs> ctrl-alt-f7 just goes back to the login where i was locked out bfore
[07:50] <Doomgaze> its ctrl-alt-f7 for sure
[07:50] <Flying-Penguin> what is the latest known good kernel for a p4???
[07:50] <brodmann> rn
[07:50] <brodmann> run
[07:50] <Razor-X> Flying-Penguin: no need to append 3 '?', it's Linux-686
[07:50] <RattUs> but when i go ctrl-alt-f2 i am in the directory and i dont need to login but no x environment
[07:50] <jugon> finally i solved the problem
[07:50] <Flying-Penguin> Razor-X, ??? what version?
[07:50] <brodmann> well, ok, i got it to uncompress... how do i get it to run
[07:51] <jugon> ey people dont use synaptic to install debian packages of phpmyadmin
[07:51] <Doomgaze> RattUs, then just type passwd root
[07:51] <Razor-X> RattUs: by default, X is in Ctrl+F7
[07:51] <jugon> yes
[07:51] <Doomgaze> and change it to whatever you want
[07:51] <jugon> login root paswrd root
[07:51] <cary> did that
[07:51] <Razor-X> Flying-Penguin: hold on
[07:51] <cary> didnt see any output
[07:51] <cary> pfp
[07:51] <jugon> or login demo and psw demo
[07:51] <Razor-X> 2.6.10-5
[07:51] <Razor-X> that's mine, I don't know if it's bleeding edge, or not
[07:51] <RattUs> root command wont work
[07:51] <Razor-X> (in relevance to the repos0
[07:51] <Razor-X> *)
[07:52] <brodmann> razor, how do i run the game?
[07:52] <brodmann> any ideas?
[07:52] <cary> pfp, brb
[07:52] <RattUs> i tried su
[07:52] <RattUs> but i need passwd...
[07:52] <Razor-X> brodmann: you downloaded it as .tar.gz?
[07:52] <brodmann> razor: no it's a run file
[07:53] <Doomgaze> RattUs, i am sure that it is in the Wiki on ubuntu.org somewhere
[07:53] <Doomgaze> RattUs, you can't be the only person asking for this
[07:53] <RattUs> true
[07:53] <RattUs> hmmmm
[07:53] <Doomgaze> i have to sleep now
[07:53] <Doomgaze> i have to work in 5 and a half hours
[07:53] <RattUs> is there a way to restart the x environ?
[07:53] <Doomgaze> yes
[07:53] <Doomgaze> ctrl-alr-backspace
[07:53] <Doomgaze> alt*
[07:53] <RattUs> ok i try that
[07:53] <Razor-X> errr, nevermind brodmann
[07:53] <Doomgaze> goodnight
[07:54] <brodmann> ok
[07:54] <RattUs> that didnt do anything
[07:54] <Razor-X> go to pastebin, and put in the result of "ls -aa"
[07:54] <Razor-X> @ brodmann
[07:54] <djs> RattUs: do you have a shell prompt at ctrl-alt-f2
[07:54] <Razor-X> while you're in the directory that you extracted Planeshift to
[07:54] <djs> ?
[07:54] <pfp> RattUs: killing the xscreensaver process from console might help
[07:54] <RattUs> yeah i got a shell prompt
[07:54] <RattUs> how i do that?
[07:54] <cary> pfp, well..i am booted into osx
[07:54] <djs> RattUs: Yes pfp
[07:55] <cary> by default! pfp
[07:55] <cary> so that worked    pfp
[07:55] <djs> RattUs: ps aux | grep xscreensaver
[07:55] <darkcmd> does anyone know if smeg works under debian?
[07:55] <pfp> RattUs: ps auxw | grep -i xscreensaver
[07:55] <cary> so maybe the bootload thing will have updated for linux. i suppose ill reboot and see what happens when i go to linux
[07:55] <pfp> cary: cool
[07:55] <djs> pfp: jinx (nearly!) :)
[07:55] <RattUs> it came up with 2 entries
[07:56] <djs> RattUs: kill <process with the highest number>
[07:56] <concept10> darkcmd, it should. check the homepage for the deb
[07:56] <RattUs> ok
[07:56] <darkcmd> http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/ ?
[07:56] <concept10> Yes.
[07:56] <RattUs> so just kill processno ?
[07:56] <djs> RattUs: yes
[07:57] <pfp> RattUs: but don't kill the grep process (which is already dead)
[07:57] <djs> pfp: good point :)
[07:57] <RattUs> ok cool fellas im in
[07:57] <RattUs> thanks a lot guys
[07:57] <djs> RattUs: yay
[07:57] <RattUs> cheers
[07:58] <darkcmd> there's a debian deb?
[08:00] <cary> hahahaahahahaha
[08:00] <cary> oh man
[08:00] <cary> so, i have three linux options now
[08:00] <cary> the default "Linux" screws up somwhere..doesnt boot
[08:00] <cary> old..boots fine
[08:00] <pfp> cary: heh, hmm
[08:00] <cary> and "original" gives me a lovely kernel panic
[08:01] <pfp> cary: "Linux" probably fails because the initrd= line is commented out there
[08:01] <cary> is it incredibly unsafe to just remove those faulty things in the .conf and just have the one "old" as the only kernel avaiable
[08:02] <pfp> cary: original should work though, 'tis strange
[08:02] <cary>  i actually uncommented the initrd
[08:02] <pfp> oh
[08:02] <cary> it said it couldnt find the file system or soemthing (er..it said "fs" which read as file system)
[08:02] <flyingpenguin> is there a way I can make shure I am running xorg and not xfree???
[08:03] <pfp> cary: i guess it would be safe, until something changes the vmlinux.old link to point somewhere else
[08:03] <SpecialBuddy> I don't know what I'm doing
[08:03] <pfp> fs usually means file system
[08:04] <cary> brb
[08:04] <SpecialBuddy> I'm a noob and this might sound stupid but how do you install something that you just downloaded
[08:05] <benplaut> SpecialBuddy: is it a .DEB file?
[08:05] <TiMiDo> SpecialBuddy: apt-get install
[08:05] <brodmann> i'm trying to install planeshift, anyone have instructions on how to do that?
[08:06] <brodmann> it's a .run file
[08:06] <SpecialBuddy> it's just an update for firefox
[08:06] <benplaut> brodman: # sh name_of_run.run
[08:07] <benplaut> SpecialBuddy: go to System (top of screen)>Administration>Ubuntu Update Manager
[08:07] <benplaut> and then enter _your_ password
[08:07] <brodmann> hey ben, didn't do anything
[08:08] <benplaut> brodmann: right-click on the file, and go to Properties
[08:08] <SpecialBuddy> well how do you install things normally
[08:08] <SpecialBuddy> is it like windows where you have an .exe
[08:08] <brodmann> gotcha ben
[08:09] <cary> pfp,  guess it worked. i had only the one option, and it boots. took long enough right?
[08:09] <benplaut> in linux, you have "repositories"... you install everything (almost, anyway) from one big site, through a program called Synaptic
[08:09] <benplaut> brodmann: not set to execute?
[08:09] <brodmann> yeah ok it is
[08:09] <pfp> cary: rite
[08:09] <brodmann> now when i extract the files, how do i find them?
[08:10] <benplaut> SpecialBuddy: go to System>Admin>Synaptic Package Manager
[08:10] <benplaut> brodmann: so... the installer worked?
[08:10] <cary> pfp, but my sound still blows
[08:10] <pfp> hmm , might want to re-iterate the conf when/if your'e installing another kernel
[08:10] <brodmann> says it's creating a directory ps.cb.blah blah blah
[08:10] <brodmann> where do i find that folder?
[08:10] <benplaut> SpecialBuddy: follow the instructions at www.ubuntuguide.org to "enable extra repositories"
[08:11] <pfp> cary: did you try the hoarysondfix thing?
[08:11] <SpecialBuddy> i just don't get it because I downloaded firefox and it has this installer but I don't know where to go from there
[08:11] <benplaut> brodmann: not sure... type "planeshift" (without "") into the terminal to bring it up?
[08:11] <SpecialBuddy> thanks for the help though
[08:11] <benplaut> SpecialBuddy: you don't need the downloaded file...
[08:12] <brodmann> hmm, nothing
[08:12] <benplaut> it's already in the repositoried
[08:12] <weems> Yeah
[08:12] <benplaut> brodmann: do a search for "ps" or "planeshift"?
[08:12] <cary> looking at it now but it seems be to for like, specific applications, pfp
[08:12] <benplaut> maybe "plane-shift"
[08:12] <weems> X wouldnt boot up, I tried breezy
[08:12] <weems> and I had to reinstakk hhoary
[08:12] <weems> reinstall*
[08:13] <pfp> cary: ah
[08:13] <cary> but pretty much all my sounds..like if a sound plays, then you play it again..its softer, and softer, and softer each time. and an mp3 sounds like a bucket of crap in a hallway a mile down the road
[08:13] <benplaut> weems: keep out of Breezy... it's nowhere near being ready for the public
[08:13] <SpecialBuddy> so if I want something, I download it with synaptic
[08:13] <pfp> cary: lol
[08:13] <SpecialBuddy> ?
[08:14] <pfp> cary: probably the kernel fix si what you need, since _all_ sound is f'd up
[08:14] <cary> we know how i feel about kernels, now dont we
[08:14] <benplaut> SpecialBuddy: yeah... and if it isn't there, ask here on the exact way to install it :)
[08:14] <pfp> heh
[08:14] <brodmann> ok a directory is going to be the samething as a folder correct?
[08:14] <pfp> it hurts, but it's for you own good ;)
[08:15] <SpecialBuddy> well if I did download it then how would I installl it
[08:15] <benplaut> brodmann: yup... different term for the same thing
[08:15] <brodmann> well, no dice, i can't find it
[08:15] <benplaut> SpecialBuddy: (in a terminal) "sudo dpkg -i name_of_package.deb", but it's not recommended
[08:16] <cary> pfp, is ALL linux software open source and free or just most of it?
[08:16] <benplaut> just throw away the one you downloaded... it'll take more trouble to get it to work right then to just get the one from the repos
[08:16] <SpecialBuddy> I have another question but you might not know what I'm talking about
[08:16] <pfp> cary: eya, you shouldn't have to figh kernels and bootloaders on your ~1st day on linux
[08:16] <benplaut> ask away :)
[08:16] <benplaut> pfp: i did...
[08:17] <pfp> cary: most, but there's closed source too, like acrobat reader, some games
[08:17] <cary> i figure i should dive in head first
[08:17] <cary> ahha
[08:17] <cary> i guess adobe having closed source makes sense.
[08:17] <pfp> cary: i has to go to work...
[08:17] <cary> thanks again pfp
[08:17] <SpecialBuddy> I had to install ubuntu by taking out my harddrive and using another but I have a usb adapter for it and I want to boot off of it andput the other hard drive back.  I did it with fedora but this doesn't seem to work
[08:18] <SpecialBuddy> can't think of the error
[08:18] <pfp> cary: PM me if something comes up
[08:18] <cary> will do. you rock
[08:19] <benplaut> SpecialBuddy: you will probably have to do the install with the hard drive plugged into USB, instead of onto the motherboard... i think GRUB will mess up (not a good thing)
[08:19] <pfp> yay, thx
[08:19] <brodmann> thanks for the help
[08:19] <brodmann> couldn't find where the files were extracted
[08:19] <benplaut> brodmann: i tried to install PlaneShift in my last install, and i couldn't find it either :(
[08:20] <SpecialBuddy> yeah
[08:20] <SpecialBuddy> I don't think it finds it usually
[08:20] <SpecialBuddy> usually it just finds the one in the computer
[08:20] <benplaut> if it worked on Fedora, then it will work with Ubuntu :)
[08:20] <kzm> Does the Hoary DVD contain more (all?) software than the CD?
[08:21] <benplaut> but not sure, for your exact situation, how...
[08:21] <kzm> My net at home is down, and I need additional software.
[08:21] <SpecialBuddy> well it did but I can't say it will because of human error :(
[08:22] <benplaut> when you get to partitioning, it should give you a choice between your internal and external hard drives
[08:22] <SpecialBuddy> oh
[08:22] <SpecialBuddy> I should probably reinstall then
[08:22] <benplaut> and just select the default partitioning for the USB drive (know what brands your drives are... that's how they are named)
[08:23] <maruchan> i'm trying to figure out gdesklets wroking, what is command line to open filesytem
[08:23] <SpecialBuddy> thanks for the help
[08:23] <benplaut> 'welcome :)
[08:23] <SpecialBuddy> I still can't figure out how to get firefox 1.0.4
[08:23] <benplaut> did you enable the extra repositories, like the instructions at www.ubuntuguide.org  ?
[08:24] <maruchan> the way i did was uninstall from the package manger, and then reinstall throught apt-get
[08:24] <SpecialBuddy> will that do the trick
[08:24] <SpecialBuddy> ?
[08:24] <benplaut> maruchan: don't install the package that includes a bunch of aplets
[08:25] <benplaut> Special: the updates will be as simple as a few click, after enabling the repos :)
[08:25] <SpecialBuddy> ok
[08:25] <benplaut> maruchan: use the newer one that doesn't include any applets, and just download some from www.gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org
[08:25] <SpecialBuddy> I'll try that
[08:26] <maruchan> specialbuddy, bemplaut should i uninstall the one i have
[08:26] <benplaut> maruchan: yup
[08:26] <maruchan> should i download from the website, instead of doing apt-get
[08:27] <rinnan2> Well just gave up on FC4...
[08:27] <benplaut> maruchan: definately, not
[08:27] <vinux> rinnan2, why?
[08:27] <rinnan2> Back to Ubuntu.  A quick trip to the dark side reminded me of  why I switched in the first place.
[08:27] <rinnan2> Everything failed.  Everything.  No 3D accel, no sound, no network.
[08:28] <benplaut> try it again in a month... it takes them about that long to iron out the kinks
[08:28] <vinux> rinnan2, yea I had no sound and no 3D. Well I did have 3D but it took awhile to figure a way around that stupid kernal lol
[08:28] <rinnan2> What a pain.  I really only wanted 3D accel for my Unichrome and a later OO beta.
[08:28] <FR500> benplaut, overall i think ubuntu is a better end user distro, fedora targets a broader group of people
[08:28] <benplaut> maruchan: install the package "gdesklets", but NOT "gdesklets-data"
[08:28] <kzm> Anybody manage to torrent the DVD image?
[08:29] <vinux> kzm, no but I wanted too but 7 days is too long to wait
[08:29] <rinnan2> Has anyone ever gotten 3D accel to work on Ubuntu with Unichrome chipset?
[08:29] <benplaut> FR500: so do i, but it's good to try every distro you can...
[08:29] <FR500> benplaut, i used to, but i got "stuck" here
[08:29] <kzm> vinux, well, at least it started this time.  Now it suggests 2d18h.
[08:30] <benplaut> FR500: same :)
[08:30] <kzm> If you have a decent line, you can FTP it off me after that, you should have it in three or so :-)
[08:30] <rinnan2> It's too bad.  FC3 worked MUCH better, detected my USB sound sticks (FC4 did not) and my network worked fine (not under FC4!)  Meanwhile, neither supported my 3D.
[08:30] <vinux> kzm, hmmm 2 days? not bad
[08:30] <benplaut> and now i'm stuck with a crippled wireless card because of an archaic version fo Wireless-Tools -grumble grumble-
[08:30] <vinux> kzm, I got cable :)
[08:30] <kzm> vinux, makes me wonder what the whole point of BT is.
[08:31] <rinnan2> kzm:  videos.
[08:31] <vinux> kzm, well it's good if you have like 100 people doing it
[08:31] <benplaut> kzm: legal stuff?
[08:31] <kzm> For the Ubuntu DVD?
[08:31] <benplaut> ohh
[08:31] <benplaut> that's legal :)
[08:31] <FR500> kzm, bittorrent is great
[08:32] <cary> hey...anybody. i have CUPS and alien apparently installed on my system (by default it seems) and i have an RPM printer driver package and an error in terminal is telling me to use alien. anyone familiar with it?
[08:32] <FR500> and the torrent saves bandwith, i got my isos that way
[08:32] <benplaut> yup... bittorent rocks
[08:32] <FR500> i try to support them
[08:32] <FR500> i can't put money, but i can save bandwith
[08:32] <benplaut> i got them in the mad rush, five minutes after Hoary was officialy released :)
[08:32] <vinux> FR500, well I guess it's good if you got more then 2 people trying to download at once
[08:32] <rinnan2> Hey guys any news on when the next Ubuntu pre release will be?  What do they call them this time?
[08:33] <FR500> rinnan2, /topic
[08:33] <benplaut> rinnan2: breezy...
[08:33] <rinnan2> Yes but there are "little releases" before Breezy.
[08:33] <benplaut> colonies, i think
[08:33] <kzm> In my case, it saves bandwith in the sense not using it.  I get 2Mb/s when downloading directly, and 10kb/s when BTing.  I.e. a factor of 200 difference.
[08:34] <rinnan2> Breezy seems to be in a point of total chaos right now.
[08:34] <kzm> (It seems to be picking up, though)
[08:34] <vinux> rinnan2, I think august well be it
[08:34] <benplaut> kzm: because it's so long after the release... nobody is downloading anymore
[08:34] <robitaille> rinnan2,  http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-May/007591.html
[08:34] <robitaille> rinnan2,  Colony CD 1
[08:34] <FR500> kzm, i get 70mbps at work
[08:34] <kzm> benplaut, I guess my point it that in that case, BT should be smart enough to just get it all from the original server.
[08:35] <rinnan2> cool, thanks robitaille.  *reads*
[08:35] <FR500> kzm, what client are you using?
[08:35] <vinux> Hey isn't ubuntu-Breezy going to have some cool configuring tools?
[08:35] <amonkey> kzm, if they used httpseed it could do that
[08:35] <benplaut> kzm: it's a work in progress :)
[08:35] <kzm> The default client -- umm, gnome-something-torrent
[08:36] <kzm> To be fair, it has picked up a lot of steam now. 90kb/s.
[08:36] <FR500> kzm, and that without azureus
[08:36] <vinux> kzm, i'm using it now
[08:36] <FR500> azureus features a distributed database, making it more a network
[08:36] <FR500> it features a distributed tracker
[08:36] <FR500> all clients are trackers
[08:36] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[08:37] <vinux> kzm, i'm at 3kbs per second hehe. Any tips on speed?
[08:37] <HrdwrBoB> azureus is nice
[08:37] <FR500> HrdwrBoB, but distributed database doesnt work with ubuntu unless u get from CVS
[08:37] <davidmccabe> Hey folks!
[08:38] <davidmccabe> I have switched from gentoo to ubuntu. I'm looking fora nything I should *exclude* from copying when I copy my old homedir to this installation. dotfiles that could screw up, etc. Any tips? Thanks!
[08:38] <FR500> davidmccabe, why not copying only your user files
[08:39] <davidmccabe> FR500: huh?
[08:39] <FR500> nevermind
[08:39] <vinux> davidmccabe, so do you like gentoo? What made you switch?
[08:39] <FR500> i guess you want to migrate the configs
[08:39] <davidmccabe> Tired of having to work to make things work.
[08:39] <davidmccabe> FR500: excatly.
[08:39] <HrdwrBoB> davidmccabe: most things should work
[08:39] <HrdwrBoB> davidmccabe: easier to do on a case by case basis
[08:39] <davidmccabe> plus my FS just went splat on me, so I have to reinstall anyways.
[08:39] <davidmccabe> HrdwrBoB: so just copy everything and go from there?
[08:39] <vinux> davidmccabe, yea ubuntu rocks! It configures everything for me
[08:40] <davidmccabe> I'm having weird issues with flickering, as if the refresh rate was too high, when it was at the same setting as before. Should I upgrade to hoary and then investigate, or try to fix it immediately?
[08:40] <davidmccabe> (using an nvidia card; happened to have a warty CD here)
[08:41] <vinux> davidmccabe, you need to fix that refresh rate as soon as possible if you like your monitor :)
[08:41] <siimo> davidmccabe, just copy everything
[08:42] <FR500> i like gentoo live cd for fixing or backing up files in damaged pcs
[08:42] <davidmccabe> is the GNOME screen resolution control panel known to not actually do anything?
[08:42] <FR500> so colorful
[08:42] <davidmccabe> because I set it to the exact same refresh as I had before.
[08:42] <davidmccabe> (although that was not the default.)
[08:42] <vinux> davidmccabe, yep
[08:42] <FR500> davidmccabe, works fine for me
[08:42] <kzm> vinux, sorry was away for a sec.  Mine picked up after a while.
[08:42] <rinnan2> it works for me.
[08:42] <davidmccabe> vinux: yep, it's known to not do anything?
[08:42] <vinux> kzm, 30min?
[08:42] <FR500> davidmccabe, sometimes when you have the wrong drivers it doesnt work
[08:43] <davidmccabe> k.
[08:43] <siimo> davidmccabe, you need to have the res rates and frequencies correct in your X config file for it to work
[08:43] <davidmccabe> I just installed the binary drivers.
[08:43] <davidmccabe> I'll check out the x config file.
[08:43] <FR500> davidmccabe, you got nvidia-glx with apt?
[08:43] <kzm> vinux, 9h remaining (for the DVD image)
[08:43] <davidmccabe> FR500: yes.
[08:43] <FR500> k
[08:43] <vinux> kzm, woot :). I'll need to download it from ya probably tomorrow :)
[08:44] <kzm> :-)
[08:44] <Kakason> Hello
[08:44] <vinux> kzm, i'm at a big 6kbs :)
[08:44] <kzm> I can put it on http, but probably not for long, there are some space restrictions.
[08:44] <Kakason> I would like to know how to un-install ubuntu?
[08:44] <rinnan2> hey guys, how to upgrade OOo to a later milestone under hoary?
[08:44] <siimo> Kakason, just delete the partition its on
[08:44] <kzm> Kakason: heresy!
[08:45] <Kakason> Ok.
[08:45] <davidmccabe> woot! gnome-volume-manager!
[08:45] <davidmccabe> that reminds me; I was somewhat offended when ubuntu played sounds *very loud* without asking me.
[08:45] <davidmccabe> it's late at night here.
[08:45] <vinux> Kakason, you trader! lol i'm just joking really
[08:45] <kzm> Kakason, :-)  why?  I mean, if you want to install something else, just install it over Ubuntu.
[08:45] <Kakason> I just wanted to re-size the partition Ubuntu is on
[08:45] <FR500> vinux, as soon as it's ready, i can offer it for you
[08:46] <FR500> i work at an isp :D
[08:46] <davidmccabe> restarting X;brb
[08:46] <vinux> FR500, you are DA MAN!
[08:46] <FR500> just hope it's done by tomorrow
[08:46] <FR500> im not there now
[08:47] <davidmccabe> uggh! that didn't fix the problem :(
[08:47] <kzm> df -h .
[08:47] <rinnan2> I'll try it again in a month.
[08:48] <vinux> I'm starting to turn into a ubuntu fanatic! I reinstalled ubuntu just because I like it so much :P. Somebody lock me up hehe
[08:48] <cscolt> ha
[08:48] <tuppa> vinux: yeh sure, you do it for the wallpaper
[08:48] <davidmccabe> would it be safe to copy my xorg.conf from my old gentoo inst to the new one, or would paths and such be different?
[08:48] <vinux> tuppa, hehe
[08:48] <kzm> Kakason, it's possible to resize a partition without touching the contents (at least if you use the device mapper), but if it's a fresh install anyway, you might as well reinstall.
[08:49] <Kakason> kzm: ok
[08:49] <siimo> davidmccabe, usually it should work but warty is XFREE86 not xorg
[08:49] <davidmccabe> brb again
[08:49] <vinux> siimo, hmmm I didn't know that but I'm with the newer version so i'm ok :)
[08:50] <siimo> vinux, hoary is xorg
[08:50] <davidmccabe> wtf? it's the same config file!
[08:50] <maeth> hi
[08:51] <maeth> somebody would mind helping me setting up the vsftpd plz?
[08:51] <vinux> siimo, yeppers, hey I got a question. Why is it when I manually change the xorg file to be a lower rez it gives me a way too big of a screen? I mean the programs start off the screen and stuff
[08:52] <finlaylabs> any ideas for getting an (old) laptop tft screen happening in ubuntu? I get the burning-orange "Im tryin to be a crt" screen
[08:52] <siimo> vinux, what do you mean?
[08:52] <sly> finalylabs you get your writer to work then :)
[08:53] <siimo> vinux, dont edit it manually use dpkg-reconfig xserver-xorg and do it from there
[08:53] <vinux> siimo, well I have to move my mouse over to the right or left or even up and down then the screen moves to the program. It's really wierd
[08:53] <vinux> siimo, cool thanks
[08:53] <siimo> vinux sorry its dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:53] <finlaylabs> oop, hold that thought, think I have it sorted with dpkg-reconfigure on third try of ramdom selections :)
[08:53] <vinux> siimo, would it be safe to do it now? hehee
[08:54] <siimo> vinux, yeah settings take effect on next start of X
[08:54] <vinux> ok cool
[08:54] <siimo> vinux, oh thats weird the scrollable screen happened to me once on windows
[08:54] <finlaylabs> sly: what do you mean?
[08:55] <sly> i thought i saw you in here a couple of days ago, not been able to burn ubuntu ?
[08:55] <finlaylabs> sly: thats me! Funny story. tried swapping hdd after installing elsewhere. Badly didnt work.
[08:56] <finlaylabs> sly: today succeeded - by bumping laptop while it was trying to read the misreading file - it read it ok, then install worked!
[08:56] <finlaylabs> sly: very scientific technique.
[08:57] <sly> oh my god........... it took you all this time to get ubuntu installed :o
[08:57] <sly> that dedication n half
[08:58] <finlaylabs> on and off. Ubuntu loogs good. Ive been longtime suse, maybe change but first check it out on secondary (old!) laptop.
[08:58] <vinux> brb guys
[08:59] <sly> be distro way has been................ mandrake/mandriva........ went to suse............ for bout 2years finaly settled on debian which ius why i had to try ubuntu and yes its great
[08:59] <sly> even if it does take 2/3 mins to load up ut
[08:59] <sly> but i can live with that
[09:00] <Kakason> Anyone knows how to use Windows Xp cd to delete Ubuntu on a partition?
[09:00] <sly> kakason......................... boot up as if you were installing Xp . then remove partitions whern asked to ?
[09:00] <Kakason> How?
[09:00] <sly> the while d then L then enter thing ?
[09:00] <sly> whole8
[09:00] <Kakason> Right now I'm using Windows right now.
[09:01] <sly> ahh
[09:01] <sly> cant you right click my computer >>>>>>>>>> managament >>>>>>> disk management ???
[09:01] <sly> havnt used windows in years , think its that
[09:01] <Kakason> Ok.
[09:01] <Kakason> I try
[09:01] <sly> i thoght you ment from the installation cd
[09:02] <Equalizer> does anyone know why i cant access anything that uses root from the menu anymore? i know have to start stuff from a terminal window or it wont open
[09:02] <dizzie> Still need to remove the grub from mbr. To do that type in a dosprompt, "fdisk /mbr"
[09:02] <Equalizer> package manager/updates icon does nothing when i click on it
[09:03] <sly> Equalizer..... my girlfriend had that problem on kubuntu
[09:03] <Equalizer> im using ubuntu with gnome
[09:03] <Kakason> What's a fdisk?
[09:04] <dizzie> program to partition your drives
[09:04] <dizzie> Not sure if it exists on WinXP tbh
[09:04] <Equalizer> sly did she/you ever fix it?
[09:04] <sly> yeh does dizzie :)
[09:04] <Equalizer> its a pain with it not working
[09:05] <sly> hmm, not that i know of ..........
[09:05] <r0d> just boot from a knoppix or and live distro and delete it.
[09:05] <sly> think the box across from me still has that problem
[09:05] <dizzie> Wouldnt know, havent used Windows since 1993 :)
[09:06] <Equalizer> :( it just started happening about a day or two ago
[09:06] <dizzie> sly, Linux since 93, *NIX since 83 :)
[09:07] <sly> lmao nice.... i wasnt even alive in 83 =\
[09:07] <Kakason> How do I make it that it boots up Windows every time I turn on my computer?
[09:07] <Kakason> Because I just deleted ubuntu's partition
[09:07] <Kakason> And now I was just wondering how do I make it boot into Windows
[09:07] <sly> kakason thats what dizzie was telling you to do with the bmbr command
[09:07] <Equalizer> does anyone else know what is wrong?
[09:08] <Kakason> was it
[09:08] <Kakason> What did s/he say?
[09:08] <sly> * dizzie Still need to remove the grub from mbr. To do that type in a dosprompt, "fdisk /mbr" *
[09:08] <Kakason> ok thanks
[09:08] <dizzie> yw :)
[09:08] <Kakason> Is cmd the same thing as dosprompt?
[09:09] <dizzie> yep
[09:09] <Kakason> ok
[09:09] <dizzie> Good luck :)
[09:09] <sly> Kakason . you not like ubuntu then ?
[09:09] <Kakason> I do, it's just I just found out that Ubuntu just needs a little bit of space.
[09:10] <sly> Equalizer.................... i dont think we/she every fixed it bacause she dont liek using the gui tool i dont think
[09:10] <vinux> Kakason, hehe yea bout like 3gig to be safe
[09:10] <dizzie> Ubuntu is my soulmate :)
[09:10] <vinux> dizzie, sweeetness
[09:11] <Kakason> I typed in fdisk /mbr in cmd and it did nothing.
[09:11] <Kakason> So what do I type it in?
[09:11] <sly> did it just follow onto a new cmd line without errors ?
[09:12] <dizzie> Like i said, not sure if the cmd fdisk exists in WinXP, and it does not... hrm
[09:12] <dizzie> *shrug*
[09:12] <Kakason> ok
[09:12] <sly> if it followed onto a new line without errors it ran the command ok for you
[09:12] <kikkoman> im having trouble installing kubuntu-desktop its saying that i need the dependencies but when i try to get them its saying it can't find it
[09:13] <Equalizer> dont understand why the command works fine in the terminal but not for the applications menu
[09:14] <sly> as far as i know , isnt it surposed to prompt you for the root pass. ?
[09:14] <r0d> Equalizer, what command are you trying to run?
[09:14] <r0d> no if its a root program it wont work unless logged in as root
[09:14] <r0d> did you try  sudo 'name of program'?
[09:15] <Equalizer> it seems to be anything thing that uses sudo in the menu
[09:15] <maruchan> is their a firefox plugin for the ubunutu forums?
[09:15] <Equalizer> anything that needs root in the menu wont work
[09:15] <siimo> maruchan, ?
[09:15] <r0d> and doesnt ask for password?
[09:15] <maruchan> you know like the google ones
[09:15] <maruchan> the serach engine plugins
[09:15] <Equalizer> nope it doesnt ask for the root pass
[09:15] <Equalizer> just does nothing
[09:16] <siimo> no but easy to add one yourself
[09:16] <r0d> actually i had the problem w/ my laptop
[09:16] <r0d> i just reinstall and it worked. not saying to do that...
[09:17] <Equalizer> yeah i was thinking of doing that but hoping to fix it without reinstalling
[09:17] <r0d> because bob2 or someone like that could most likely tell you
[09:17] <Equalizer> is bob2 there?  i have to go soon :(
[09:18] <r0d> no hes away:(
[09:18] <bob2> ?
[09:18] <VeriqueX> lol
[09:18] <siimo> maruchan, do this: open bookmark manager, create a new bookmark
[09:18] <r0d> nm lol
[09:18] <Equalizer> hi bob2
[09:18] <Equalizer> lol
[09:18] <r0d> well it says u are
[09:18] <Kakason> Is there an alternate way to make change the thing i was talking about?
[09:18] <Kakason> Like make Windows boot up automatically when I trn on my comuter?
[09:19] <Equalizer> can you help me? I am having trouble starting stuff that needs to be root in the menu
[09:19] <bob2> Equalizer: you did a default install, and didn't mess up the sudo config?
[09:19] <vinux> Brb just installed my new kernel --->p4 optimized
[09:19] <davidmccabe> Good night!
[09:19] <davidmccabe> I am letting it upgrade to hoary overnight.
[09:19] <Equalizer> yes.
[09:19] <siimo> maruchan, in location type http://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?q=%s  and type u for keyword
[09:19] <bob2> Equalizer: and "sudo ls /etc/" in a terminal works?
[09:20] <NicP> anyone know how to change my dvd/cd drives to use emulated scsi drivers
[09:20] <Equalizer> yes
[09:20] <siimo> maruchan, then in URL bar type "u apt-get " to search for apt-get in ubuntu forums
[09:20] <bob2> Equalizer: did it ever work?
[09:20] <Equalizer> yes about 2 days ago
[09:20] <Equalizer> i haven't updated or done anything since except reboot
[09:21] <bob2> Equalizer: does "gksu gedit" work from a terminal?
[09:22] <maruchan> cool, thanks siimo
[09:22] <Equalizer> nope
[09:22] <Equalizer> asks for password then nothing comes up
[09:22] <TokenBad> in ubuntu can you have it rotate backgrounds like could in linspire?
[09:22] <siimo> np
[09:22] <Equalizer> oops nm yes
[09:22] <Equalizer> it just took awhile to load
[09:22] <bob2> Equalizer: and what happens you run synaptic from the menu?
[09:23] <Equalizer> doesnt work
[09:23] <Equalizer> unless i do it from terminal
[09:23] <bob2> "doesn't work" is not a description
[09:23] <bob2> does it catch fire?
[09:23] <bob2> kick you in the head?
[09:23] <bob2> does nothing happen?
[09:23] <r0d> haha
[09:24] <bob2> anything at the bottom of ~/.xsession-errors?
[09:24] <Equalizer> does nothing
[09:24] <bob2> look in that file
[09:24] <action09> hi all :)
[09:25] <odie5533> whats the best video player for DVD's on Ubuntu?
[09:25] <Equalizer> i got this error when gedit opened from the terminal
[09:25] <Equalizer> (gedit:7172): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:
[09:25] <Equalizer> Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[09:25] <r0d> odie5533,  what do you mean by best?
[09:26] <r0d> because totem play's em fine
[09:26] <r0d> has alot of features too
[09:27] <Equalizer> ** (gnome-cups-icon:6456): WARNING **: failed request with status 1030
[09:28] <odie5533> r0d: totem wont play anything for me?
[09:28] <Equalizer> thats what it says
[09:28] <r0d> odie5533,  you need the codec bro
[09:28] <odie5533> how do I go about getting them?
[09:28] <r0d> pray
[09:28] <r0d> haha just kidding
[09:28] <odie5533> (I usually use vlc, but its failing me now)
[09:28] <goldfish_> w32codecs ?
[09:28] <odie5533> why arent they included with ubuntu?
[09:29] <r0d> i guess for legal issues
[09:29] <sly> apt-get is it libdvdcss i think ??????
[09:29] <r0d> thats what the site says
[09:29] <goldfish_> odie5533: because it's illegal in some countries
[09:29] <odie5533> i have libdvdcss2
[09:29] <odie5533> ah
[09:29] <odie5533> what countries?
[09:29] <goldfish_> no idea
[09:29] <Equalizer> bob2, do you know how to fix it
[09:29] <r0d> yea
[09:29] <odie5533> Totem could not play 'dvd://'
[09:29] <Tomcat_> Probably most countries on the world... I doubt Microsoft wants people to distribute their WMV-codec...
[09:30] <odie5533> which is a pos in the first place
[09:30] <r0d> totem is?
[09:30] <goldfish_> odie5533: www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats ... thinks that link might help you about the codecs thing.
[09:30] <bob2> Equalizer: I'm not sure what the problem, is
[09:31] <r0d> yea bob2  i had that same problem w/ my laptop before
[09:31] <r0d> never figured it out...
[09:31] <Equalizer> Do you need more info?
[09:32] <r0d> odie5533,  vlc doesnt work for you at all? I like vlc for windoze
[09:33] <odie5533> it works ok, not good enough
[09:33] <odie5533> I use it on windows too
[09:34] <odie5533> Dumb question: how do I save a file in VIM
[09:34] <goldfish_> hehe
[09:34] <goldfish_> not a dumb question
[09:34] <goldfish_> i think it's ':wq' , not too sure though, havent used it in ages
[09:34] <r0d> yea
[09:35] <r0d> odie5533,  use nano, alot easier
[09:35] <odie5533> but everyone uses vim
[09:35] <Equalizer> I have to go :( thanks bob2 for trying to figure it out
[09:35] <r0d> vim was made by satan
[09:35] <TokenBad> in ubuntu can you have it rotate backgrounds?
[09:35] <cazabam> goldfish, :wq saves and quits. :w just writes, and :w <filename> writes to a new file
[09:35] <odie5533> :save does?
[09:35] <goldfish_> cazabam: thanks.
[09:36] <cscolt> i love emacs.... but vim is a nessiary evil
[09:36] <cazabam> odi5533: :save requires a filename, :w just does a write
[09:36] <r0d> nano is god
[09:37] <odie5533> The dvd still won't play in totem :(
[09:37] <r0d> w / codec? what one did u install
[09:38] <odie5533> w32codecs
[09:38] <odie5533> libdvdcss2
[09:38] <odie5533> thats it
[09:38] <r0d> let me check what i have one sec
[09:38] <cazabam> odie, are you using totem-gstreamer or totem-xine?
[09:39] <finlaylabs> can u change xserver resolutions while in the GUI, without running all thru dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[09:40] <r0d> dude my synapitc is frozen! yuck
[09:40] <cazabam> finlaylabs: gnome and kde have apps to change resolution, but you can only choose from those configured in xorg.conf
[09:40] <odie5533> Dam totem won't play mp3's either
[09:41] <r0d> lol codec
[09:41] <r0d> once synaptic stops being gay ill tell you the names
[09:41] <r0d> or u can just use the ubuntu wiki thats wher ei found it
[09:42] <finlaylabs> cazabam: Good 2cu again. I have set up 1024x768 and 800x600 in xorg.conf, but under user System>Preferences>Screen Resolution I can only access 800x600...
[09:42] <r0d> odie5533, www.linuxforums.org/tutorials/1/tutorial-25783.html
[09:43] <cazabam> finlaylabs, sounds line the x server is rejecting 1024 for some reason. check in the X error log in /var/log
[09:43] <cazabam> *like
[09:44] <odie5533> I cant use Totem
[09:44] <finlaylabs> cazabam: u may be interested: today succeeded in install - by bumping laptop while it was trying to read the misreading file from cd - it read it ok, then install worked! Nice technique huh.
[09:44] <odie5533> I thought you used totem r0d
[09:44] <cazabam> finlaylabs, unusual technique, but it's all good ;)
[09:44] <r0d> i do, look on the bottom of that url odie5533
[09:45] <r0d> it point u to ubuntu. just giving you through explanation
[09:45] <cazabam> odie5533, try using totem-xine - it's much nicer than totem-gstreamer and plays more formats, including DVD :)
[09:46] <odie5533> how do I run totem-xine?
[09:47] <cazabam> odie5533, apt-get install totem-xine  -  it will remove totem-gstreamer and install itself. if you don't like, just apt-get install totem-gstreamer and it all goes back
[09:47] <Burgundavia> odie5533, install it and run movie player from the menus
[09:47] <cazabam> odie5533, it's just a back end - totem stays the same
[09:48] <odie5533> This is playing the dvd... however, its very choppy just like on VLC
[09:48] <sly> odie5533 wont having dma turned to on, solve that :)
[09:48] <cazabam> odie5533, turn dma on
[09:49] <poningru> dma?
[09:49] <odie5533> I saw that somewhere, any link?
[09:49] <cazabam> hold on.. there is link
[09:49] <odie5533> got it
[09:49] <finlaylabs> cazabam: "Removing mode (1024x768) larger than the LCD panel (800x600)" Well I can SEE its physically NOT larger than the panel.
[09:49] <cazabam> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//DMA
[09:50] <cazabam> finlaylabs, so it thinks your monitor is incapable?
[09:50] <finlaylabs> cazabam: yep.
[09:50] <r0d> odie5533,  gstreamer0.8-mad package is what u need for mp3
[09:50] <odie5533> Why should I use totem-xine instead of totem-gstreamer?
[09:51] <cazabam> odie5533, I generally find it less flaky when playing DVDs
[09:51] <finlaylabs> cazabam: I may have run 800x600 emulated to 1024x768-size on another distro if that makes sense? Where is X reading the size of the screen from?
[09:51] <odie5533> cazabam:  What is the difference?
[09:52] <cazabam> finlaylabs: ah, so you are using a 1024x768 virtual desktop with an 800x600 'real' resolution?
[09:52] <r0d> anyone know how to change your gdm welcome screen resolution btw?
[09:52] <marcrho> q
[09:52] <cazabam> odie5533, gstreamer is the gnome media backend, and is quite crippled (mp3, dvd etc have to be manually added) and xine is a different, independant backend
[09:52] <marcrho> \quit
[09:53] <cazabam> odie5533, you won't see any difference from the user's perspective
[09:53] <finlaylabs> cazabam: not now, wanna try native, but I may have successfully in the past (suse?)
[09:53] <odie5533> Ah
[09:53] <finlaylabs> cazabam: though changing the virtual desktop setting would be an acceptible solution too. Ubuntu have a way?
[09:54] <cazabam> finlaylabs, yeah, it's the same for all distros
[09:54] <odie5533> Hmm something I did seems to make vlc work better, maybe I'll go back to it
[09:54] <finlaylabs> cazabam: not when you used to use YAST :)
[09:55] <finlaylabs> cazabam: (SuSe's GUI setup tool)
[09:55] <zerokills> i have a sound and video problem:  Totem plays the sound but not the video; VLC plays the video but not the sound.. any solutions?
[09:55] <cazabam> finlaylabs, ah, I see :)
[09:55] <odie5533> cazabam: what does dma do? Dynamic Memory Address? lol
[09:56] <cazabam> finlaylabs, in xorg.conf find the 'Subsection "display"' part for your selected colour depth, and add a line
[09:56] <cazabam> Virtual 1024x768
[09:56] <cazabam> odie5533, DMA = Direct Memory Access - allows data to be moved from memory to peripherals and back without bothering the CPU
[09:57] <finlaylabs> cazabam: can user open xorg.conf as editable from the GUI? Im not a vi type :-(
[09:57] <cazabam> finlaylabs, ignore that line, it's : Virtual 1024 768
[09:57] <cazabam> finlaylabs,I keep typing the x - force of habit :)
[09:57] <cazabam> finlaylabs, not sure about GUI if the gnome tool doesn't do it.
[09:57] <topyli> finlaylabs: use sudo and your favorite emacs variant
[09:57] <odie5533> cazabam: why would dma EVER be turned off?
[09:58] <Seveas> odie5533, because it's still unsafe to enable it by default...
[09:58] <odie5533> Ubuntu really makes it hard on the general user... They should have a script "Fix all the easy to fix bugs for the normal user"
[09:59] <cazabam> finlaylabs, or just use 'sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf' :)
[09:59] <r0d> odie5533,  i guess you havent used gentoo before
[09:59] <odie5533> LOL
[09:59] <odie5533> I have
[09:59] <odie5533> it ruined my windows partition
[09:59] <odie5533> I swear i typed /mnt/hdc1....
[09:59] <r0d> ouch
[09:59] <odie5533> but BOOM /mnt/hda1, gone
[09:59] <odie5533> in 2 seconds
[09:59] <r0d> yea that was my favorite pain in the a@@
[10:00] <odie5533> made me really love gentoo...
[10:00] <ciocanel> I've changed my video card and now X -configure gives me this error: Missing output drivers. Configuration failed. Can anyone give me a hint?
[10:00] <r0d> gentoo is fun for like a week, then you get sick of compiling all your programs
[10:00] <odie5533> dam my movie looks like someone made it big, then made it small...
[10:00] <odie5533> ah well
[10:01] <odie5533> is better than skipping every other frame
[10:01] <Napo> Hi all
[10:01] <brodmann> how do i run dialog?
[10:01] <brodmann> the program
[10:01] <Napo> I have a big problem with Ubuntu and CUPS. After the upgrade from Warty to Hoary CUPS not work
[10:01] <Seveas> ciocanel, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[10:02] <cazabam> I gotta go do some work now... cya laters
[10:02] <Seveas> brodmann, dialog..?
[10:02] <Napo> I can print (on a network printer) the test page, but, i can't print from any applications :(
[10:02] <ciocanel> Seveas: I've tried but it fucks up all my xorg.cong
[10:02] <ciocanel> sorry, xorg.conf.
[10:02] <brodmann> seveas, i'm trying to install the ati drivers for ubuntu.
[10:02] <Napo> the error is:  scheduler not responding!
[10:02] <brodmann> it's in the file format of .run
[10:03] <Seveas> ciocanel, then you need to manually alter the Device section of that file :)
[10:03] <Seveas> brodmann, what is it..?
[10:03] <brodmann> everytime i install the files, the installation runs but then deletes the directory with the files in it
[10:03] <brodmann> someone told me to install dialog
[10:03] <brodmann> i had no freakin clue what he was talking about
[10:04] <ciocanel> Seveas: any links on how can I do this? ... I don't have a clue about what you are saying
[10:04] <anacron> seveas do you get money for helping us newbies?
[10:04] <r0d> hey Seveas , do you know how to change your gdm welcome screen resolution.
[10:04] <Seveas> brodmann, dialog (as in the program that displays dialog windows) is installable from the repositories
[10:04] <anacron> Seveas: i mean, every time i look at this channel you'r saying something :D
[10:04] <Seveas> ciocanel, well, usuallt dpkg-reconfigure does the correct thing...
[10:04] <brodmann> yeah, i've got it installed, just don't know how to run it
[10:05] <Seveas> anacron, no, it's all volunteer work :)
[10:05] <ciocanel> Seveas: :-) , ok, thanks.
[10:05] <Seveas> r0d, no idea, i think it just takes the X resolution like gnome and co. do
[10:05] <Seveas> brodmann, what are you trying to accomplish in the first place..?
[10:06] <r0d> Seveas,  you know its weird, my desktop res is totally different. no biggy just curious
[10:06] <brodmann> seveas, i'm trying to install ati drivers and the control panel
[10:06] <Seveas> ah :)
[10:06] <Seveas> brodmann: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:06] <brodmann> ah
[10:06] <anacron> btw why gnome always takes some stupid resolution i don't want to use, and then i have to manually change it to bigger one
[10:06] <Seveas> use that howto and do NOT manually install drivers....
[10:07] <bob2> gnome has nothing to do with it
[10:07] <Seveas> anacron, remove the resolution you don't want from xorg.conf
[10:07] <Seveas> mornin' bob2
[10:07] <VeriqueX> i have the same problem, it resets the resolution back to 1024x768 after each restart
[10:07] <bob2> or use the gnome-xrandr applet
[10:08] <odie5533> bob2: How long have you been a linuxer?
[10:08] <poningru> I had a question about the dma
[10:08] <anacron> Seveas: i already have, that happens only after installation for now...
[10:08] <poningru> can I do that for hdc?
[10:08] <bob2> odie5533: few years
[10:08] <poningru> thats my cdrw/dvd drive
[10:08] <Seveas> poningru, if the drive supports it: sure
[10:08] <miracleblue> nerf
[10:08] <odie5533> do you know any programming languages?
[10:08] <poningru> cool
[10:08] <bob2> odie5533: of course
[10:09] <odie5533> which?
[10:09] <topyli> heh
[10:09] <VeriqueX> that will be a long line :P
[10:09] <deco> :D
[10:09] <miracleblue> hmm, im hungry
[10:09] <bob2> python, c, c++, perl from long ago, sh, some php (shudder), some java
[10:09] <bob2> eiffel
[10:10] <r0d> what no vb bob2 :)-
[10:10] <odie5533> Do you know SQL?
[10:10] <Seveas> hmm, eiffel, what's that like..?
[10:10] <miracleblue> lol, vb
[10:10] <bob2> I did use vb3 way back in the day
[10:10] <bob2> Seveas: shit
[10:10] <poningru> I had a question what is unmaskirq?
[10:10] <Seveas> SQL is not a programming language...
[10:10] <topyli> he asked about programming languages you know
[10:10] <Seveas> lol bob2 :)
[10:10] <bob2> odie5533: not really a programming language, but yeah
[10:10] <odie5533> ah
[10:10] <bob2> Seveas: it's a b&d OOP language
[10:11] <miracleblue> and it tastes like bacon
[10:11] <bob2> not all that bad for teaching
[10:11] <bob2> but painful to use
[10:11] <r0d> whats the url to your site bob2?
[10:11] <bob2> but everything is after you've used python for a while
[10:11] <Seveas> hmm, for OOP teaching I generally use python & C++
[10:11] <bob2> r0d: non-existent atm
[10:11] <odie5533> bob2: Can I see any programs you've made?
[10:11] <bob2> odie5533: bazaar.ubuntu.com
[10:11] <bob2> (not that I wrote it, but I worked on it)
[10:12] <poningru> anyone know what that is?
[10:12] <miracleblue> ah 3 minutes left till dload finishes, i love having my bandwidth back
[10:12] <bob2> most of the other stuff I've done isn't publically available atm
[10:13] <odie5533> bob2: Do you work on the ubuntu team or something? Howd you get a .ubuntu subdomain?
[10:14] <kutucape> hi all
[10:14] <Seveas> hi
[10:14] <bob2> odie5533: I work at canonical
[10:14] <miracleblue> poningru: doesnt look like it.  i have a guesstimate from the name, but i dont really know.  sorry.
[10:14] <bob2> odie5533: .ubuntu subdomain?
[10:14] <bob2> oh
[10:15] <odie5533> Volunteer work or do you get paid?
[10:15] <bob2> paid
[10:15] <miracleblue> nice
[10:15] <kutucape> i wonder how can make my itegro gprs modem works on my hoary
[10:15] <poningru> hmm
[10:15] <miracleblue> moneys moneys all that moneys
[10:15] <odie5533> how can you be paid to work on ubuntu
[10:15] <odie5533> where are the revenues from
[10:15] <kutucape> itegno gprs
[10:16] <bob2> odie5533: services
[10:16] <poningru> donations
[10:16] <topyli> from outer space :)
[10:16] <bob2> poningru: donations to not go to canonical
[10:16] <miracleblue> martians!  or jovians
[10:16] <kutucape> how to configure gprs modem?
[10:16] <poningru> woah
[10:16] <miracleblue> drug smuggling?
[10:16] <odie5533> servicing what?
[10:16] <poningru> where does it go then?
[10:16] <bob2> poningru: they are only used to fund bounties, which are specifically not available to canonical employees
[10:16] <poningru> hmm
[10:16] <kutucape> i have set it on system call > administration > network
[10:16] <poningru> did not know that
[10:17] <kutucape> then activate the modem, fill the device: /dev/ttyUSB0
[10:17] <kutucape> but it seems it doesn't work...
[10:17] <odie5533> bob2: Are you on Warty of Breezy?
[10:17] <odie5533> or are you on the next version up? o_0
[10:17] <bob2> odie5533: hoary
[10:17] <odie5533> ah
[10:18] <odie5533> so where does you paycheck come from?
[10:18] <kikkoman> how do you configure the sound for mplayer?
[10:18] <odie5533> or is it you dont ask and you just accept it ;)
[10:19] <Napo> kikkoman: mplayer -ao esd filename.avi
[10:19] <Seveas> kikkoman, /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf ;)
[10:19] <bob2> canonical had initial funding to get started, of course
[10:20] <odie5533> but now...
[10:20] <r0d> bob2,  do you know if ubuntu will do certs like red hat does?
[10:20] <odie5533> bob2: howd you learn to program?
[10:20] <bob2> odie5533: reading other people's code
[10:21] <bob2> r0d: I don't know, but it certainly sounds like a good idea
[10:21] <r0d> my school just has red had and a general linux comptia certifications
[10:21] <r0d> *red hat
[10:21] <odie5533> Where reading their code?
[10:21] <bob2> odie5533: I started reading basic code in old computer magazines
[10:21] <bob2> and qbasic
[10:21] <r0d> yuck lol
[10:21] <odie5533> What about when learning C++?
[10:22] <topyli> heh
[10:22] <r0d> basic....o the days of ;goto'
[10:22] <bob2> I read an online book
[10:22] <dizzie> Morning all :)
[10:22] <kikkoman> hmm now it hangs in the buffering part o_O
[10:22] <r0d> its morning already...dam
[10:22] <bob2> odie5533: "C++ Annotations"
[10:22] <odie5533> r0d: nah still night
[10:23] <bob2> working with smart people will make you a much much better programmer, tho
[10:23] <r0d> all depends in location home slice. its one more the sun comes up for me
[10:23] <bob2> (did for me)
[10:23] <HrdwrBoB> yes, working with smart people is good
[10:23] <odie5533> with smart people eh... know any good smart people?
[10:23] <r0d> *hr as u can see my typing skills are waining
[10:23] <HrdwrBoB> I don't
[10:24] <Seveas> working with smart people definitely helps
[10:24] <kikkoman> Seveas: now the movie doesn't play anymore it hangs on the buffering part :(
[10:24] <Seveas> just as working with stupid people helps to get you frustrated :)
[10:25] <Seveas> kikkoman, have you perhaps disabled sound server startup?
[10:25] <r0d> haha. now you know how my work enviorment is Seveas . all windoze ppl, and boxes
[10:25] <Seveas> people that use windows aren't neccessarily stupid
[10:25] <_pax> smart and stupid are both needed for balance. If everyone was smart, no one will make money.
[10:26] <r0d> true because i use em sometimes, but if you take a typical linux user and a windows. you can see the iq difference
[10:26] <Seveas> a good friend of mine is an excellent programmer and computer scientist. He uses windows almost exclusively :)
[10:26] <r0d> poor guy, lol
[10:26] <Seveas> r0d, not really, you only see the difference in computer literacy..
[10:27] <r0d> yea thats true.
[10:27] <r0d> well thats what i meant dam it
[10:28] <r0d> but Seveas have you ever administrated a windows enviroment?
[10:28] <r0d> full windows env that is
[10:28] <Seveas> not one bigger than one machine :)
[10:28] <kikkoman> Seveas: yes i think i did o_O, i changed the wrong one i believe...i was reading on the site and it said to change ao=alsa to ao=esd
[10:28] <r0d> lol
[10:28] <r0d> lucky u
[10:28] <kikkoman> Seveas: but i changed vo accidently xD
[10:28] <r0d> if you ever have to configure an NT4 box, RUN
[10:28] <Seveas> lol kikkoman :)
[10:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> r0d bugger, I'm about to have to
[10:29] <kikkoman> Seveas: i forgot what it was ^^;;
[10:29] <r0d> did you plan out your will properly Kamping_Kaiser
[10:29] <r0d> hehe
[10:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> r0d, I'm inheriting it, it's a box with about 5 thin clients, then maybe more
[10:29] <r0d> for me @ least NT4 made me bald
[10:29] <danikata> hi
[10:29] <Seveas> kikkoman, it was vo=x11
[10:30] <r0d> its a single PDC then
[10:30] <danikata> how to make user : root
[10:30] <r0d> that shouldnt be TOO bad
[10:30] <Seveas> danikata: You can read all about root/sudo issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[10:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> r0d, Linux thin clinets i can handle, Windows will be interesting to say the least
[10:30] <r0d> Kamping_Kaiser,  group policy can be nasty w/ NT4
[10:30] <Seveas> danikata, you shouldn't enable the root password if you don't have a *very* good reason to do so
[10:31] <kikkoman> Seveas: hmm the video works again but there is no sound :(
[10:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> r0d, i expect I'll find that out soon :(
[10:31] <r0d> See I want to start and play w/ SAMBA more
[10:32] <r0d> thin clients on windozes are simple
[10:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh neat
[10:32] <r0d> just have your PDC controlled
[10:33] <r0d> anyone here use samba as a domain controller ?
[10:34] <TokenBad> in ubuntu can you have it rotate backgrounds?
[10:34] <miracleblue> Hey guys, uhm, I was just wondering if it's possible to istall and run KDE on Ubuntu, replacing Gnome, and if so, how do I do it?
[10:34] <r0d> theirs a different distro for kde
[10:35] <r0d> kubuntu
[10:35] <r0d> or something like that...
[10:35] <miracleblue> i know, but can it be done for just Ubuntu?
[10:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> miracleblue, apt-get install Kubuntu-desktop
[10:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get remove Ubuntu-desktop
[10:35] <r0d> never tried, why would u want to? just use the other distro
[10:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo of course
[10:36] <miracleblue> i guess so, im just experimenting, seeing if it can be done without having to download another distribution
[10:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, see above
[10:36] <poningru> /sbin/hdparm -m1c16C3 /dev/hda
[10:36] <poningru> /sbin/hdparm -d1c1X66 /dev/hdc
[10:36] <miracleblue> yup
[10:36] <poningru> is this ok?
[10:36] <r0d> if you do it, can u post what happened
[10:36] <miracleblue> thanks ^_^
[10:36] <miracleblue> sure
[10:36] <miracleblue> ill give it a go
[10:37] <miracleblue> ive already dloaded KDE with the package manager
[10:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo apt-get install Kubuntu-desktop && apt-get sudo remove Ubuntu-desktop
[10:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> oops.
[10:37] <r0d> the repository's should have kde in it for u
[10:37] <poningru> can anyone say if the thing I loaded is ok if I add it to my bootmisc.sh?
[10:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> && sudo apt-get remove Ubuntu-desktop
[10:37] <benplaut> leave out the second sudo (?)
[10:37] <miracleblue> just, not sure how to get it running instead of Gnome...oh well
[10:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry people. Be back later
[10:37] <r0d> thats sweet
[10:38] <poningru> can anyone say if its ok if I add these to my bootmisc.sh?
[10:38] <poningru> /sbin/hdparm -m1c16C3 /dev/hda
[10:38] <poningru> /sbin/hdparm -d1c1X66 /dev/hdc
[10:39] <ThE__OnE> is linux bible the best book to get to learn everything about linux? I should'nt need anything else right?
[10:40] <Jose> hi
[10:40] <goldfish_> ThE__OnE: linux holy wine.
[10:41] <Jose> heloo everyone
[10:41] <miracleblue> best way to learn about linux is to press buttons, but yeah, the linux bible should do
[10:41] <goldfish_> hello Jose
[10:41] <ThE__OnE> thx
[10:41] <Jose> hey goldfish
[10:41] <Jose> hw r u
[10:41] <ThE__OnE> because there are soo many other books, i got confused and i only ordered linux bible 2005
[10:41] <goldfish_> fine, thanks
[10:42] <r0d> ThE__OnE, depends. I have had to buy like 5 different books because some books covered different areas
[10:42] <Jose> asl
[10:42] <bob2> ThE__OnE: I hear "linux in a nutshell" is very good
[10:42] <r0d> plus i think i learned alot more in here listening to ppl talking in here
[10:42] <Jose> hey stefan asl
[10:42] <poningru> here is an idea if you guys live in the US library
[10:42] <poningru> and many other countries too
[10:43] <goldfish_> Jose: asl? :)
[10:43] <r0d> bob2,  you read linux cookbook? that book has TONS of stuff
[10:43] <r0d> all different areas too.
[10:43] <bob2> r0d: nah, I don't htink I've ever read a linux book
[10:43] <ThE__OnE> and also i just rebooted and ubuntu and like after 5 minutes, it rebooted again without me pressing anything, what could have caused this? is there like a log i ca check for errors?
[10:44] <Jose> 16/f/uk u?
[10:44] <r0d> it installs programs
[10:44] <r0d> it takes alittle bit
[10:44] <r0d> you just installed right?
[10:44] <ThE__OnE> Linux security cookbook?
[10:44] <ThE__OnE> yes
[10:44] <ThE__OnE> i been using it for a few days now
[10:44] <r0d> no its a no starch book called 'linux cookbook 2nd edition'
[10:45] <r0d> its awesome for learning how to use the bash shell and commands that are important
[10:45] <r0d> its like 800+ pages
[10:46] <ThE__OnE> any other books you want to refer me to?
[10:46] <r0d> but i know that linux bible is huge also
[10:46] <ThE__OnE> ya
[10:46] <r0d> for like general use?
[10:46] <ThE__OnE> like over 700 pgs i think
[10:46] <ThE__OnE> ya for general use
[10:46] <r0d> thats the best i read for general use
[10:46] <ThE__OnE> maybe get into intermediate
[10:46] <r0d> i also read 'how linux works' which was good for internel things
[10:47] <_pax> Guys, I changed my uid and now it wont let me chown -R my dir ....
[10:47] <r0d> that talks about some of the important config files and how to tweak, plus bash shell scripiting
[10:47] <r0d> only book i havent liked so far for linux was the sybex linux+ book
[10:48] <_pax> I have no name!@ubuntu:~$ <- that's what I have
[10:48] <odie5533> bob2: You still there?
[10:48] <bob2> yes
[10:48] <_pax> someone please help
[10:48] <bob2> _pax: why did you change your uid?
[10:48] <ThE__OnE> ya, thankx rob for all the recommendations, i first was going to buy the idiots guide to linux, but i read other idiots guides and they are not so good getting further into linux
[10:48] <bob2> _pax: also, you need to log in and out
[10:48] <odie5533> Off-topic question... sorry, but you seem like you might know. How do I do TCP connections on linux without winsock?
[10:48] <_pax> bob2: just experimenting user account options
[10:48] <ThE__OnE> r0d*
[10:49] <bob2> odie5533: winsock is just a sockets library.  the linux kernel and glibc have always had socket code.
[10:49] <r0d> np :) did you check out the wiki yet for unbuntu?
[10:49] <_pax> bob2: if I log out it wont le me back in
[10:49] <odie5533> bob2: Do you have an example of their usage I can see? Or a tutorial/link/something?
[10:49] <_pax> I have no username any more
[10:49] <_pax> I can sudo or su
[10:49] <_pax> can't
[10:49] <bob2> odie5533: for unix socket programming?
[10:50] <bob2> _pax: log out and log in again
[10:50] <odie5533> Yes
[10:50] <ThE__OnE> yes r0d, and i also checked out the unofficial guide to ubuntu, but i think thats the worst guide ever written imo
[10:50] <_pax> bob2: ok, thanks
[10:50] <r0d> lol
[10:50] <bob2> odie5533: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~beej/guide/net/html/
[10:50] <r0d> thats what i hear. but for like mp3 and dvd tutorials which the books dont really cover are good to look at
[10:50] <r0d> not the unoffical guide
[10:51] <ThE__OnE> they need to update the guide atleast
[10:51] <ThE__OnE> becasue the program versions have changed
[10:51] <r0d> do a search in the wiki for what u want. like for exsample, i love to compile my own kernel(which you dont need to w/ ubuntu'
[10:52] <ThE__OnE> thx god, hehe
[10:52] <r0d> i searched kernel and it told me how to, because it was alittle different then what im use to
[10:52] <r0d> yea it was a mess...
[10:52] <ThE__OnE> ya
[10:53] <r0d> are you coming from a windows enviroment?
[10:53] <ThE__OnE> so anyone know why ubuntu rebooted unexpectedly?
[10:53] <ThE__OnE> yes, winxp
[10:53] <odie5533> bob2: Do you have TCP socket connections on linux memorized or do you need to review some code to remember it?
[10:53] <r0d> yea. i think this is the best distro to choose for new linux users
[10:53] <r0d> ThE__OnE,  it rebooted again?
[10:53] <ThE__OnE> ya
[10:53] <ThE__OnE> yes
[10:54] <r0d> did you see it installing things?
[10:54] <ThE__OnE> nope
[10:54] <bob2> odie5533: I'd have to look it up, it's been a long time since i've used it
[10:54] <r0d> is that computer connected to the internet?
[10:54] <iulik> i don't have mp3 support on ubuntu
[10:54] <bob2> odie5533: understanding the concepts are far more important than memorising the code
[10:54] <Ubuntus> Hello all.
[10:54] <iulik> how can i get it?
[10:54] <bob2> iulik: wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:54] <ThE__OnE> it was on the whole day, and i thought i would rebooted it, and after rebooteing and loging on, then 5min later, it reboots again
[10:55] <ThE__OnE> ya, my computer is always connected to the internet, cable
[10:55] <r0d> odie5533, talk to the guys in #C their really cool on helping newppl.
[10:55] <r0d> so what do you see ThE__OnE ?
[10:56] <ThE__OnE> when it rebooted it wrote something in the black background
[10:56] <r0d> when you finish installing make sure to take cd out
[10:56] <r0d> yea thats right
[10:56] <ThE__OnE> i installed it like 3 days ago, and i ahev rebooted many times in between
[10:56] <r0d> its installing packages
[10:56] <ThE__OnE> oh ok
[10:56] <ThE__OnE> so its nothing to worry about right?
[10:56] <r0d> what?
[10:57] <r0d> bob2! lol
[10:57] <finlaylabs> cazabam: thx for the help earlier. Virtual froze up, but I found a set of settings that works :-)
[10:57] <r0d> so ever time you start your computer it just reboots after?
[10:57] <r0d> *every
[10:57] <ThE__OnE> the unexpect reboot
[10:58] <ThE__OnE> unexpected*
[10:58] <cazabam> finlaylabs, what settings worked?
[10:59] <r0d> ok this is how the installation is suppose to happen...
[10:59] <r0d> you boot from cd, it checks hardware, then gives you options to configure your harddrive, which you did right?
[10:59] <ThE__OnE> i finished installing ubuntu about 3 days ago r0d
[10:59] <r0d> i know
[11:00] <finlaylabs> not sure which helped, but now have things like DONT use kernel framebuffer device interface - thats probably the most drastic.
[11:00] <r0d> but just give me the whole process of what u did
[11:00] <finlaylabs> cazabam: that was 2u
[11:00] <r0d> because I'm trying to figure where u are
[11:00] <r0d> then it told you to take cd out and reboot right?
[11:02] <cazabam> finlaylabs, ok what graphics card is in the machine that it thought it did need the framebuffer?
[11:03] <unome> bad bad bob2!
[11:03] <Bruticus> hey guys, i have a lil question
[11:03] <bob2> ?
[11:03] <unome> That was costly, thank G-D I had another super user account
[11:03] <Bruticus> i have a 333 mhz 192 mb ram, will ubuntu run on it?
[11:03] <ThE__OnE> ok about 3 days ago i completely installed ubuntu, and i started using it and using xchat and installing other stuff like vlc and looking around the optiong and configuring it my way, and i have rebooted serveral times because i thought that was needed for the settings to take place.This morning i woke up i thought i would reboot the box because its been up like 12 hours and 5 minutes after logging in, the box reboots again while writin
[11:03] <ThE__OnE> g something in the screen in white letters, and after this reboot i open xchat and trying to find out what happened
[11:03] <finlaylabs> cazabam: Mitac Information Technology/Synnex Embedded Trident; 2 MB; SVGA ; Graphics Chip Trident
[11:03] <Crasp> hi.
[11:03] <Bruticus> or do i need to get a lighter dist?
[11:03] <linlin> Bruticus yeah no problem
[11:04] <Bruticus> really? with all the fancy stuff?
[11:04] <Crasp> for some reason i cannot change my search engine in firefox on ubuntu
[11:04] <Crasp> any idea how to fix this?
[11:04] <linlin> default install runs fine on my 333
[11:04] <bob2> Crasp: how are yo utrying to do it?
[11:04] <Bruticus> cheers ... the iso file from ubuntu.com, is it a live cd? can i try it out without installing it?
[11:04] <ThE__OnE> Crasp, did you go to the view - preferences?
[11:04] <r0d> ThE__OnE,  can you try to be more specfic then that
[11:05] <Crasp> bob2: using the search bar that ships with the default firefox
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> Bruticus: the live CD iso is a live cd
[11:05] <HrdwrBoB> (amazingly)
[11:05] <ThE__OnE> lol r0d
[11:05] <ThE__OnE> how cna i?
[11:05] <ThE__OnE> can
[11:05] <linlin> ha
[11:05] <finlaylabs> ahhh Synaptic works cool. This is why Im trying Ubuntu!
[11:05] <Bruticus> cheers guys, ur the best ;)
[11:05] <Bruticus> adios
[11:05] <Crasp> bob2: normally i could change search engines in it, but for some reason my ubuntu install doesn't allow me
[11:05] <ralph> Hi, 5.04 install didn't identify this iiyama Vision Master Pro 17 monitor (`ddcprobe` ~= /edidfail/) so I'm on 1024x768 instead of 1280x1024.
[11:05] <r0d> thats doesnt tell me where u are
[11:05] <cazabam> finlaylabs, blimey that's old - well - if it works, that good
[11:05] <r0d> the installation process is suppose to have white letters
[11:05] <ThE__OnE> what do you mean where iam?
[11:06] <r0d> and the bootup is suppose to as well
[11:06] <ThE__OnE> yes
[11:06] <Crasp> ThE__OnE: there is no view->preferences.. only edit->preferences and it doesn't show any options for the search bar
[11:06] <r0d> alot of things have white letters bud
[11:06] <ThE__OnE> oops, i meant edit
[11:06] <Crasp> i also tried restoring default options, but with no luck
[11:06] <ralph> What's the `ubuntu' equivalent of hacking /etc/X11/xorg.conf?  Is there some GUI I should use?
[11:07] <ThE__OnE> you mean change the homepage you go to when you fisrt start firefox?
[11:07] <bob2> Crasp: you're not being specific enough.  clickiong on the magnifying glass should show you a menu.
[11:07] <Crasp> ThE__OnE: no, the search bar that is by default installed on the right of the address bar
[11:07] <finlaylabs> cazabam: yep, old! Bought this in 99. Thanks for yr help! I like this synaptic pkg manager!
[11:07] <ThE__OnE> ohh
[11:07] <Crasp> bob2: lol not specific enough?
[11:07] <ThE__OnE> that
[11:07] <bob2> Crasp: ... does that not work?
[11:07] <ThE__OnE> 1 sec
[11:08] <Crasp> bob2: i don't see a magnifying glass
[11:08] <ThE__OnE> View - toolbars - customize
[11:08] <Crasp> bob2: i mean the default search bar that is on the right of the address bar on the default firefox install
[11:08] <Crasp> bob2: normally i can see icons there (google, other random search engines)
[11:08] <ThE__OnE> Crasp, View - toolbars - customize
[11:09] <Crasp> bob2: but i can't choose any other search engine cause i don't see any icons, neither will it let me change it in any way
[11:09] <cazabam> Crasp, is the problem that you can't see the search box, or that there is only one search engine in it?
[11:09] <bob2> Crasp: that's very odd, I don't know what could do that
[11:09] <Crasp> cazabam: there are many search engines in it, but it doesn't show icons for it, so i cannot change it
[11:10] <zever> crasp just in the about:config from firefox
[11:10] <Crasp> bob2: well i was hoping it was a known issue :)
[11:10] <zever> Crasp, change browser.search.defaultenginename
[11:10] <Crasp> zever: yeah but that is not really fast and handy
[11:11] <Crasp> zever: i use different search engines for different things
[11:11] <Crasp> zever: so i have to switch often
[11:11] <zever> Crasp, ah ok
[11:11] <Crasp> i should check it on another firefox install
[11:11] <Crasp> perhaps i can see differences
[11:12] <capi> how do I change my xserver resolution? I tried editing xorg.conf, but it didn't do anything. :\
[11:12] <Crasp> thanks for pointing this to me zever
[11:12] <zever> Crasp, no prob
[11:12] <Crasp> capi: then you probably editted the wrong line :p
[11:12] <Crasp> capi: try using ctrl and - and ctrl and =
[11:13] <Crasp> capi: i mean ctrl+alt and then -/+ on the numpad
[11:14] <capi> Crasp, ctrl-alt +/- don't do a thing for me on this computer.
[11:14] <lok> plop
[11:15] <ralph> how long do registered nicks last if the owner doesn't visit?
[11:15] <Crasp> capi: hmm ok, well perhaps you need to change things where it says "DefaultDepth"
[11:15] <ralph> ah, no, found it in the faq, sorry for the noise
[11:15] <Crasp> capi: you should check the colordepth you use, scroll a bit down and look up that depth, thenk add modes to it
[11:15] <capi> Crasp, I know, first value is the default. Thats not doing a thing, my whole problem.
[11:16] <Crasp> capi: then you should really checkout whether you are running the depth it says
[11:16] <linlin> how long do the ubuntu cds take to come? i have my evnet coming up friday and they arnt here yet, i was kindof hoping they would be here for my lan party
[11:16] <poningru> dude just burn one yourself
[11:16] <poningru> or put it on a usb stick
[11:16] <linlin> no i was going to hand them out to people
[11:16] <poningru> ah ic
[11:17] <linlin> i ordered 30 i think
[11:17] <capi> linlin, mine took ~ a month, but I ordered them the day Hoary came out.
[11:17] <linlin> supposed to be 50 people
[11:17] <linlin> hm, i just hope they get here by then, otherwise its jsut a waste of cds
[11:18] <poningru> meh pass it out at the local college or something
[11:18] <linlin> yeah thats true, guess i could hand them out somewhere else
[11:18] <capi> or use them as a defense against robbers.
[11:19] <linlin> true
[11:19] <poningru> ?
[11:20] <Crasp> hmm crap, i can't find any config differences between my install and a debian install :/
[11:20] <poningru> hmm I wonder
[11:21] <poningru> are there any persons that work at canonical here right now?
[11:23] <poningru> what ways can I help out ubuntu without having much in technical skills
[11:23] <Crasp> bob2: apparently it was my theme that destroyed the magnifying glass icon :/
[11:24] <bob2> ah
[11:24] <bob2> yo ushould menion things like that in future questions...
[11:24] <capi> poningru, learn technical skills or spead yeager word would be my guess. Word of mouth is powerful.
[11:25] <Crasp> bob2: yeah, sorry. On other installs the theme works without any problems tho
[11:25] <bob2> ah, ok
[11:25] <TokenBad> ok just tried to compile something and got error..not sure what it means
[11:25] <bob2> TokenBad: paste it to #flood
[11:25] <Crasp> bob2: perhaps it has something to do with ubuntu still using 1.0.2 or so and the theme that is perhaps only 1.0.4 compatible
[11:26] <TokenBad> k
[11:27] <joda> hey - quick question: I have just added another harddisk to my ubuntu machine, and I have formatted it with the ext3 filesystem, using gparted - but how do I define the mountpoint?
[11:27] <misaka> joda - You can add it to your fstab ...
[11:28] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: have you installed build-essential  ?
[11:28] <Crasp> is there any easy way to update my firefox to 1.0.4 cause i cannot install any extensions because it keeps moaning about the fact that i should upgrade firefox itself first
[11:28] <misaka> joda - Check out the manpage for fstab for more info, or check it out for the existing examples.
[11:28] <joda> I have to do that manually? or is there some tool that can help me out?
[11:28] <TokenBad> what is that thoreauputic?
[11:28] <misaka> joda - Sorry, I only know how to do things manually. ;] 
[11:28] <thoreauputic> TokenBad:  just install it - sudo apt-get install build-essential
[11:28] <misaka> joda - It's a text file, this is usually the way things are done on UNIXes. ;] 
[11:28] <joda> hehe - fair enough :) I'll check the man page. thanks for the pointer
[11:28] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: has compilers and things you need to build things
[11:29] <TokenBad> ok
[11:29] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: any spaecial reason you are compiling something?
[11:29] <joda>  mishka - I know, I was just hoping someone had made some tool to help me out, so I didn't have to get my fingers dirty ;)
[11:30] <anto9us> Crasp: you can go to about:config in firefox and change the useragent.vendorSub
[11:30] <TokenBad> its a screensaver that uses info from server to generate fractals
[11:30] <misaka> joda - I'm sure you'd find something if you looked for it ... it probably wouldn't be a tool specific to editing the fstab, but some general system configuration gui/webui thingy.
[11:30] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: what is it called ?
[11:30] <TokenBad> electricsheep
[11:31] <misaka> I've seen a couple myself, but I've always found them clunky, personally.
[11:31] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: peter@prospero:~$ apt-cache search electricsheep
[11:31] <thoreauputic> electricsheep - Screensaver showing collective dream of sleeping computers
[11:31] <misaka> joda - They just get in the way, and add a layer of complexity since they need to be installed and maintained.
[11:31] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: you don't need to compile it
[11:31] <joda> hmm, sounds like it's easier to just read the man page, and take it from there :)
[11:32] <misaka> joda - *nod*, imo that's the case, these files are quite transparent and understandable, once you get the hang of them. I recommend checking out the file to see how it's formatted ...
[11:32] <Crasp> anto9us: yes, but the 1.0.2 package is not compatible with the firefox auto-update
[11:32] <TokenBad> well its not working after doing the apt-get install electricsheep
[11:32] <TokenBad> so figure would try to compile it
[11:33] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: apt-cache policy says it is in the Universe repository
[11:33] <TokenBad> right but I mean its not doing anything once go to screensaver
[11:33] <joda> misaka: I'm looking at it now
[11:34] <thoreauputic> TokenBad: probably a configuration thing (I don't know as I haven't used it)
[11:34] <TokenBad> yeah trying to figure it out
[11:34] <TokenBad> plus the one I have installed don't look like the one the guy has that is trying to help me
[11:35] <anto9us> Crasp: I've not tried this but you might want to take a look http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=332407
[11:36] <joda>  Misaka: ok, I have a partition on the primary master that is set to /home - am I right in thinking that I can pretty much just copy that one, but with hdb1 instead of hda3?
[11:36] <misaka> joda - Pretty much. Of course you want to change the mountpoint, and don't forget to make the mountpoint with 'mkdir'.
[11:36] <joda> got it, thanks :) now how do I activate the changes without a restart?
[11:37] <misaka> joda - Have you mounted it by hand yet?
[11:37] <misaka> joda - 'sudo mount -a', or just 'sudo mount /your/mountpoint'
[11:37] <misaka> joda - It's important to do that before restarting, to make sure you didn't mess up the fstab. ;] 
[11:37] <joda> nope, haven't tried that
[11:37] <shawarma> Wow! Lightning just struck like 300 feet from where I'm sitting.
[11:38] <misaka> shawarma - Did you manage to harness any of it?
[11:38] <TokenBad> had that happen before shawarma....scare shit out of you?
[11:38] <shawarma> misaka: No, but it seems some of our network equipment did, though.
[11:38] <shawarma> TokenBad: I was quite surprised, I must say.
[11:39] <TokenBad> hit ground? pavement? what?
[11:39] <misaka> shawarma - yowch, probably not in the way you might've wanted it to ...
[11:40] <joda> hmm, I just noticed I acidentally made it ext2 instead of ext3 - gotta change that before I try anything...
[11:40] <misaka> joda - You might try mounting it by hand first to make sure you're headed in the right direction.
[11:40] <misaka> joda - Something like: mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb1 /your/mount/point
[11:41] <shawarma> misaka: Nope. Ohwell, shit happens.
[11:41] <joda> I just tried sudo mount -a, and it didn't bite my head off
[11:42] <misaka> joda - Is it mounted? You can check by running 'mount' ...
[11:42] <joda>  looks like it :)
[11:43] <misaka> Looks good then. ;] 
[11:43] <joda> perfect, thanks a bunch misaka :)
[11:43] <misaka> np
[11:44] <misaka> Anyone know their python-fu here?
[11:44] <misaka> 'py-fu', I should say ...
[11:45] <joda> hmm, strange - it says that there is already 12gig used space on the disk...
[11:45] <joda>  but the folder/mountpoint is empty
[11:45] <misaka> joda - Want to paste the output of df to paste.ubuntulinux.nl ?
[11:46] <TokenBad> ah...now found why electricsheep not look like one he did..the one on the apt-get is older version
[11:46] <joda> can't right now - the computer isn't connected to the web right now :/
[11:47] <misaka> joda - Sure you're looking at the right field in 'df'?
[11:47] <flogiston> Anyone who kan help me with gDesklets?
[11:48] <joda>  Misaka - actually, I was looking in gparted - df is much more resonable - says only 33mb used :)
[11:48] <joda> once I added df -h
[11:48] <misaka> Heh. *nod*
[11:48] <joda> looking good, then :D
[11:49] <myosotis> :msg lok coincoin
[11:49] <misaka> Still seems a little bit weird with 33mb used, do you get anything if you do 'ls -a' on the mountpoint?
[11:49] <misaka> Eep, gparted sure is colourful.
[11:50] <jnoreiko> how good is gparted?
[11:50] <jnoreiko> in terms of not frying my HD
[11:50] <Crasp> did you perhaps delete a file while a process had a pipe to that file?
[11:50] <joda> just .   ..
[11:50] <Crasp> (lsof |grep filename)
[11:50] <misaka> jnoreiko - Dunno, never used it.
[11:51] <Crasp> cause if a process has a pipe to a file you should stop it first before deleting the file
[11:51] <misaka> joda - Not lost+found ?
[11:51] <joda> Jnoreiko: speaking from very limited experience, I think it's fine for formatting disks, but I'd be very careful if using the resize functions...
[11:51] <misaka> Crasp - Ah, is that for joda? I think he just initialised that fs, but good point ...
[11:51] <joda> Misaka> nope
[11:52] <misaka> Hrm. Aren't lost+found dirs standard for ext3 partitions? Odd ...
[11:52] <jnoreiko> I've just done sudo updatedb, but find files still isn't finding stuff outside my home directory
[11:52] <unome> when setting a browser as default (to pick up clicked links), what do you end the comand with? u% ?
[11:53] <jnoreiko> oh hang on
[11:53] <jnoreiko> doh
[11:53] <jnoreiko> never mind. :)
[11:53] <joda> well, I created it as a ext2 first, then converted using gparted - that might have been a mistake...
[11:53] <misaka> joda - I would've thought that was standard for ext2 though ...
[11:54] <RaD> how can i writing cdrom on the fstab
[11:54] <joda> hmmm
[11:54] <misaka> joda - Sure you have the right device mounted?
[11:54] <misaka> RaD - What do you mean? Do you want to add your cdrom drive to your fstab?
[11:54] <RaD> yes
[11:55] <mindspin> RaD guess you want add your cdrom to fstab?
[11:55] <misaka> RaD - Here's the entry I have in my fstab: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0 0
[11:55] <joda> I just did a restart (thought I was done, and wanted to move the machine), and now there's a lost+found in the folder
[11:55] <misaka> RaD - You'll have to make sure you get the right device in the first column, to replace /dev/hdc
[11:55] <aethera> hey all
[11:55] <aethera> does anyone here use mono develop to create web application?
[11:55] <misaka> joda - Cool, maybe it got created with an fsck run on startup.
[11:56] <joda> maybe :)
[11:56] <joda> main thing is it's there ;)
[11:56] <misaka> joda - Still using 33MB?
[11:56] <RaD> thanks
[11:57] <joda> yep
[11:57] <joda> but with a du -h, lost+foundo only takes up about 20kb or so
[11:57] <misaka> Ya, there shouldn't be anything in there ...
[11:57] <snoozy> dumb question time ...
[11:58] <snoozy> why cant i get 'cannot be authorised' when i try and install w32codecs ?
[11:58] <misaka> joda - Dunno, maybe it's the ext3 log area, I didn't think it'd show up like that though. How big is the partition?
[11:58] <snoozy> why do i
[11:58] <joda> 182gb
[11:58] <misaka> snoozy - authorised or authenticated?
[11:58] <opteron> hi@all
[11:58] <snoozy> oh yeah
[11:59] <joda> it's a 200gb disk, with just the one partition
[11:59] <snoozy> you're right
[11:59] <opteron> can someone say me why the userlist disappeared
[11:59] <snoozy> but is my distro list fucked?
[11:59] <opteron> in x-chat
[11:59] <misaka> joda - Well, it's probably just metadata or something then. ;]  heh.
[11:59] <snoozy> or am i a git?
[11:59] <opteron> where can i turn it on...
[11:59] <joda> heh, probably
[11:59] <opteron> sry for noob question
[11:59] <opteron> ...
[11:59] <misaka> snoozy - I get that a lot, I forget what the reason is exactly ... maybe just some repositories don't have checksums of their packages.
[11:59] <joda> I think I'm just gonna stop messing with it - quit while I'm ahead
[11:59] <aethera> does anyone here use mono develop to create web applications?
[11:59] <snoozy> well i cant seem to install w32codecs?
[12:00] <snadge> is there an ubuntu package to play .ape files? :)
[12:00] <misaka> snoozy - Doesn't it ask you whether you want to continue, [y/N] ?
[12:00] <snoozy> used to
[12:00] <snoozy> not anymore :)
[12:00] <snoozy> it gives up before then
[12:00] <misaka> snoozy - No other errors?
[12:00] <snoozy> E: Couldn't find package w32codec
[12:01] <misaka> snoozy - Er, ya, like that for example. ;] 
[12:01] <xabbu> Hey guys.
[12:01] <snoozy> :)
[12:01] <xabbu> How do I activate the DMA acceleration on my cd RW? (/dev/hdc/)
[12:02] <Nermal> sudo hdparm -d 1 /dev/hdc
[12:03] <xabbu> Ah, thanks...
[12:04] <`psych0> um a little info please, i am searching for the freenx 0.4.0 package on the backports
[12:04] <`psych0> it says the latest ver os 0.3.1??
[12:05] <`psych0> *is
[12:05] <misaka> psych0 - Maybe that's the latest version that's packaged?
[12:05] <`psych0> no it's not for sure
[12:06] <RaD> Eject /dev/hdb failed!
[12:06] <RaD> why?
[12:06] <`psych0> umm one of the ops here gave me the tip he used the backports and got 0.4.0
[12:06] <misaka> RaD - No sudo?
[12:07] <mindspin> try eject instead of Eject
[12:07] <misaka> psych0 - Sorry, no idea, and I've got Python code to do so I can't go look it up. :/
[12:07] <RaD> yes i m not root
[12:07] <`psych0> :X
[12:07] <Nermal> RaD, is that the right device
[12:07] <misaka> RaD - Maybe it's permissions, try with sudo?
[12:08] <bram> hi folks, i'm a bit of a newbie to linux and ubuntu.  well, a sysadmin has left me with this wonderfull ubuntu box.  So I have a (newbie) question: how do i know if I run a stable/unstable/testing distro?  it is the warty distro, that I do know :)  thanks
[12:08] <misaka> Nermal - heh
[12:08] <Nermal> warty is the old stable..
[12:08] <`psych0> when does seveas usually come here?
[12:08] <Nermal> hoary is the new stable
[12:08] <Swoop|Around> bram: hoary is stable
[12:08] <Nermal> breezy is testing
[12:08] <Swoop|Around> breezy is testing
[12:08] <Nermal> Swoop|Around, do keep up
[12:08] <Swoop|Around> dammit.. Nermal.. beat me to it ;) hehe
[12:08] <Swoop|Around> againb !
[12:08] <Swoop|Around> hehe
[12:09] <bram> Do you have warty/hoary unstable distros?  because i've heard they're pretty stable too?
[12:09] <Nermal> uhh..
[12:09] <Nermal> breezy is the development branch but v unstable
[12:09] <RaD> dev/hdb
[12:09] <Nermal> best off upgrading to hoary
[12:10] <Nermal> switch every instance of warty to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list, run apt-get update, then aptitude dist-upgrade
[12:10] <bram> ok, how do i do that?  is there a webpage explaining this, so i don't have to bug you with my newbie stuff?
[12:10] <bram> ok, thanks :)
[12:10] <dom_cyrus> 
[12:10] <Nermal> sudo apt-get update and sudo aptitude dist-upgrade evenn
[12:10] <RaD> /dev/hdb /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 ro,user,noato 0 0
[12:10] <RaD> on the ppc
[12:10] <Nermal> RaD, and sudo eject /dev/hdb doesn't work
[12:11] <Nermal> is the device mounted ?
[12:11] <mindspin> noauto typo?
[12:11] <RaD> root@abbas:~# eject
[12:11] <RaD> umount: /media/cdrom0: aygt megul
[12:11] <RaD> umount: /media/cdrom0: aygt megul
[12:11] <RaD> eject: unmount of `/dev/hdb' failed
[12:11] <bram> rmal> sudo apt-get update and sudo aptitude dist-upgrade evenn
[12:11] <bram> sorry
[12:12] <bram> pasted something :/
[12:12] <bram> nevermind :)
[12:13] <ThE__OnE> will Project looking Glass be able to run on a low end machine?
[12:14] <goldfish_> ThE__OnE: what's that?
[12:14] <ThE__OnE> https://lg3d-core.dev.java.net/
[12:14] <goldfish_> ty
[12:14] <ThE__OnE> have you never heard of it, its a 3d linux
[12:14] <ThE__OnE> thats the main reason o chose to try linux hehe
[12:14] <ThE__OnE> o = i*
[12:15] <goldfish_> :)
[12:15] <goldfish_> nice, nah, never heard of it
[12:15] <RaD>  Nermal what am  do
[12:15] <RaD>  Nermal what am  do
[12:16] <sledger> hi, I know this is stupid, but how can I mount a network folder with no username or password(the folder is public, and I don't need a username and password to access it)?
[12:16] <misaka> ThE__OnE - It's probably going to be based on Java, and require graphics acceleration ... so I kinda doubt it'll run on a low-end machine.
[12:16] <tombs> hi everyone
[12:16] <misaka> ThE__OnE - Like, seriously doubt it.
[12:16] <misaka> RaD - Is the CD mounted?
[12:17] <misaka> sledger - Is this being shared from a windows machine?
[12:18] <RaD> yes it is
[12:18] <sledger> misaka, no, it's another ubuntu machine, nervermind, I was working, but the folder contains no data, so... I'm really stupid. Thanks anyway.
[12:18] <Nermal> RaD, no idea
[12:18] <jnoreiko> where are file icons stored?
[12:18] <jnoreiko> the standard ones I mean
[12:18] <Nermal> jnoreiko, various locations
[12:18] <Nermal> jnoreiko, /usr/share/pixmaps /usr/share/icons
[12:18] <Nermal> places like that
[12:19] <Nermal> /usr/share/nautilus probably has a few
[12:20] <RaD> Nermal thanks
[12:20] <misaka> RaD - Have you tried unmounting it first?
[12:21] <`psych0> who works on updating the backports?
[12:21] <`psych0> can u give me some person i can talk to?
[12:22] <RaD> misaka yes  have
[12:22] <misaka> RaD - ... does it unmount ok?
[12:22] <thenuke> yeah, do /query `psych0  and talk as much as you wish..
[12:22] <jnoreiko> thanks
[12:22] <misaka> heh
[12:22] <misaka> psych0 - Try talking to Google.
[12:22] <RaD> no it doesn't
[12:22] <`psych0> lol...
[12:22] <`psych0> ._.
[12:23] <misaka> RaD - So, my suggestion is to figure that out first, before you start trying to make eject work.
[12:23] <misaka> RaD - If you have a shell that's cd'd into the CD, that'd be causing the unmount problems.
[12:25] <scorpix> will Ubuntu support mp3/rm audio or playing dvd in the future?
[12:25] <misaka> scropix - Doesn't it support it right now?
[12:26] <scorpix> misaka, i mean out of the box
[12:26] <nubbe> freshclam often refuses to terminate at shutdown and have to be kill -9ed sometimes if I want shut it during sessions, any ideas?
[12:26] <aleksi> it would be cool to play music out of box
[12:27] <heatxsink> anyone every setup a pcmcia Linksys card with the wlan-ng drivers in Ubuntu?
[12:27] <heatxsink> ever*
[12:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> because now I'm here chameleon22
[12:29] <Echylo> can somebody help me with xine, i get frames drops in a avi file, yesterday another movie went fine
[12:29] <Chameleon22> hehe
[12:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[12:30] <Firetech> yahoo! I finally got my ubuntu-CD's :D
[12:30] <Firetech> 5 x i386 and 1 x AMD64
[12:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> not many firetech, but good :)
[12:30] <scorpix> Filbert, how long it take to arrive?
[12:31] <Firetech> I figured I didn't need more...
[12:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> fair enough
[12:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> most of ITShare is getting 150~cds
[12:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> but we give them out ;)
[12:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> later
[12:32] <Firetech> scorpix: (I guess your intention was to ask me) I don't really know, but at least two months
[12:32] <Firetech> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm not more than a student... And most of my friends don't like Linux
[12:33] <Firetech> I've helped two guys install Kubuntu so far.
[12:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, ITShare exists (almost) to instlal Linux to a certain extent
[12:34] <Firetech> hmm
[12:34] <Firetech> How do I do to sign the CoC, I want to be an ubuntie ;)
[12:34] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: do you know if decss for DVDs is technically legal in Oz ?
[12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> no i don't
[12:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent looked into legality of stuff
[12:36] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: I have a bad feeling we imported a lot of US stupidity with the so-called Free Trade Agreement :/
[12:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> :'( i think i have to agree
[12:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> and imported a lot of rights loss on a lot of fronts  :S
[12:37] <thoreauputic> indeed
[12:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> Be back later : milo
[12:38] <Firetech> Does anyone know when Hoary was released as preview? (was that when it got frozen?)
[12:40] <Firetech> or in other words, when can I start expecting breezy to be preview?
[12:40] <plovs>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY qw12qw
[12:41] <sly> hmmm
[12:41] <Firetech> plovs: oops, you should change your password
[12:42] <Firetech> plovs: you should change your password
[12:42] <plovs> Firetech, just did :-)
[12:42] <Firetech> good
[12:43] <thoreauputic> plovs: BTW, nickserv identify isn't case sensitive if you care ( I do because I'm lazy and can't type ) *g*
[12:43] <plovs> thoreauputic, it should be scripted, i just pasted in the wrong window, oops
[12:44] <plovs> how to print the last three characters in a filename? i want to test if something ends in deb
[12:44] <thoreauputic> plovs: easy to do - I always use the server channel just in case
[12:44] <black-whisp> hey.. is there some calender  program? availble with apt?
[12:45] <thoreauputic> plovs: ls *.deb in a dir will print all files ending in .deb
[12:45] <ThE__OnE> does anyone have Enlightement 16 installed?
[12:45] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: I used to - why?
[12:46] <plovs> thoreauputic, I want to filter the output of find
[12:46] <ThE__OnE> i was wondering if it was better than the default one that comes with gnome
[12:47] <plovs> find <pat> -type f gives me all the files, now i need to get rid of the non-deb files
[12:47] <ThE__OnE> i like graphics a lot
[12:47] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: erm.. enlightenment doesn't come with Gnome
[12:47] <thoreauputic> gnome uses metacity
[12:48] <ThE__OnE> yes i know, you haev to install it seperate
[12:48] <ThE__OnE> is it better?
[12:48] <yahalom> hey guys this just happened. really weird. i was editing my menu and all of a sudden. my mouse was doing things that i wans't. like deleted things, editing things. trying to get sudo access to apps that run with sudo.
[12:48] <thoreauputic> better than metacity? Matter of taste I guess
[12:48] <yahalom> then my browser opened and started surfing around
[12:48] <black-whisp> hey... is there some calender program availble with  apt?
[12:48] <ekCo> hey
[12:48] <Firetech> plovs:  append " | grep deb" to the end of the command
[12:49] <ekCo> does anyone know how to get TeamSpeak working on 64bit ubuntu?
[12:49] <Dalkus>  yahalom you got any other people in your house that know about linux?
[12:49] <yahalom> so i assumed someone hacked my comp, and i typed in the address bar "i can see u and I'm going to kill u" and it all stopped
[12:49] <ThE__OnE> can i PM you thor?
[12:49] <thoreauputic> yahalom has been p0wned !
[12:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol yaholom
[12:49] <yahalom> Dalkus, no
[12:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> 0wn3d ;0
[12:49] <Dalkus> yahalom, change your user password then
[12:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> chkrootkit time
[12:49] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: umm - just ask in channel so others can help too
[12:49] <yahalom> thoreauputic, what is that? hacked? i have firestarted, and i thought its always running, but it didnt stop that.
[12:49] <ThE__OnE> ok
[12:49] <ekCo> does anyone know how to get TeamSpeak working on 64bit ubuntu?
[12:50] <yahalom> Dalkus, he couldnt get access, he was guessign my password
[12:50] <yahalom> Dalkus, kept on failing
[12:50] <yahalom> thoreauputic, shouldnt firestarter stop this?
[12:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> not exactly
[12:50] <yahalom> i thought its always running in the background
[12:50] <thoreauputic> yahalom: depends if you configured it right I guess
[12:50] <Dalkus> yahalom, yes but he needed to do a X exploit to be able to do that, and that'd probably need your passowrd -change it just incase
[12:50] <plovs> Firetech, that was too easy, thanks, should have thought of that, I was looking into gre and sed, aargh
[12:51] <Firetech> plovs: grep is an overused command on my comp ;)
[12:51] <snoozy> yo
[12:51] <yahalom> thoreauputic, i thought i did. do i have to start it manually everytime i log in? cos the icon is never in the system tray
[12:52] <yahalom> Dalkus, than. so its not true that linux doesnt need firewalls huh? people do hack the systems.
[12:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> it should set the rules and then be able to be closed
[12:52] <thoreauputic> yahalom: no, it's just a frontend for iptables - the GUI isn't needed once set up
[12:52] <Dalkus> yahalom, what happened to you is very, very very rare
[12:52] <mbirkis> how do i get the audio codec MPEG layer 2/3 into the xine player??
[12:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> yahalom, *every* system gets cracked
[12:52] <Dalkus> and probably your fauly
[12:53] <Dalkus> *t
[12:53] <thoreauputic> yahalom: the only way someone can get in is if you have services running - do you have ssh or whatever open to the net?
[12:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> yahalom, do you have ssh server installed?
[12:53] <yahalom> thoreauputic, Dalkus anyway i can tell who it was. i'm looking at intrusions. i see samba. i dont use samba. what should  i look for?
[12:53] <yahalom> thoreauputic, how can i check?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> yahalom: do you have samba installed?
[12:53] <yahalom> thoreauputic, yes
[12:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> ps aux |grep ssh
[12:53] <Dalkus> yahalom, you could check your ssh logs to see if anyone connected, if they did you'll have their ip
[12:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> and last
[12:54] <thoreauputic> yahalom: if you don't use it, uninstall it
[12:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> and auth.log
[12:54] <yahalom> Dalkus, i'm clueless about ssh, where do i find the log?
[12:54] <thoreauputic> ssh is the most likely I'd say
[12:54] <yahalom> thoreauputic, could it have been through linpopup?
[12:54] <thoreauputic> yahalom: do you have openssh-server installed ?
[12:55] <Dalkus> yahalom, depends on your system - probably /etc/sshd/
[12:55] <busigaberta> how to check iff u have a firewall running, in textmode?
[12:55] <yahalom> thoreauputic, no
[12:55] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I don't know linpopup, sorry ( heard of it is all)
[12:56] <gorthaug> hi
[12:56] <yahalom> thoreauputic, its a chat that uses samba
[12:56] <gorthaug> i've a problem whit amsn
[12:56] <busigaberta> gorthaug let's hear
[12:56] <gorthaug> the trydock is white!!
[12:56] <yahalom> Dalkus, i only found /etc/ssh/
[12:56] <busigaberta> anyone know how to modify ur firewall settings in textmode
[12:56] <Dalkus> check in there then :)
[12:56] <yahalom> Dalkus, and there is only the config file there
[12:56] <Dalkus> mmm
[12:57] <Dalkus> well, check /var/log/ssh/
[12:57] <thoreauputic> yahalom: basically I'd get rid of any service you don't use or need, and find the ports that the ones you need use, configure restricted access to them
[12:57] <yahalom> thoreauputic, lol how do i do that?
[12:57] <pat> hi, anybody got the loop-aes module working ? it just won't compile on my system
[12:57] <yahalom> thoreauputic, lots of reading?
[12:57] <Dalkus> not too much reading :)
[12:57] <thoreauputic> yahalom: look at /etc/services
[12:57] <Dalkus> yahalom, you need to know about this kinda stuff anyway
[12:58] <yahalom> Dalkus, i want to:)
[12:58] <yahalom> thanx guys
[12:58] <gorthaug> anybody can help me?? when i select the trydock in amsn it appears white
[12:59] <ekCo> how can i check that my microphone etc works
[12:59] <ekCo> because i dont think my pc is allowing multiple sounds (mixing)
[12:59] <yahalom> woah
[12:59] <ekCo> sound recorder and teamspeak dont work
[12:59] <yahalom> tons of services
[12:59] <wizard31> anyone help with apt-get???
[01:00] <Dalkus> wizard31, whats up
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> wizard31, such as?
[01:00] <yahalom> thoreauputic, what is p0wned?
[01:00] <Seveas> wizard31, just state the problem...
[01:00] <Dalkus> it means hacked, yahalom
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> or beaten
[01:00] <wizard31> libjpeg62' is missing final newline is error i recieve
[01:00] <ekCo> yahalom, it means your have the knowledge of a mute.
[01:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> you using Hoary?
[01:00] <thoreauputic> yahalom: you can narrow it down with, say  grep ssh /etc/services   or grep rpc /etc/services and so on
[01:00] <wizard31> yep
[01:01] <Seveas> wizard31, try disabling backports/breezy/other unofficial stuff and apt-get update
[01:01] <yahalom> ethanx
[01:01] <JKHuang> BlueT_: ping
[01:01] <yahalom> ekCo, when it comes to linux yes, when it comes to ur mum no :)
[01:01] <Seveas> yahalom, /etc/services is merely a number-to-name mapping
[01:01] <Seveas> do NOT change that file...
[01:02] <Seveas> it does not define which services are running
[01:02] <ekCo> yahalom, apart from that sentence making absolutely no sense.. i applaud you with nothing :)
[01:02] <thoreauputic> yahalom: Seveas is right
[01:02] <yahalom> Seveas, could it have been UDP?
[01:02] <Seveas> ekCo: Please keep the code of conduct in mind when chatting here. You can find it at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct
[01:02] <thoreauputic> yahalom: just use that file to identify services
[01:03] <yahalom> ekCo, lol and then u call me a mute :)
[01:03] <Seveas> yahalom, what are you trying to accomplish (i just got in, so i missed the beginning)
[01:03] <BlueT_> JKHuang: pong
[01:03] <yahalom> Seveas, i was p0wned
[01:03] <thoreauputic> Seveas: someone got access to his box
[01:03] <ekCo> i didnt exactly talk in an inappropriate way, where as: yahalom>> ekCo, when it comes to linux yes, when it comes to ur mum no :)
[01:03] <ekCo> :)
[01:03] <Seveas> hmm
[01:03] <yahalom> Seveas, firestarter which i thought was correctly configured didnt stop it
[01:03] <ekCo> i only answered a question.
[01:04] <Seveas> yahalom, how did the attacker connect?
[01:04] <wizard31> files list file for package `libjpeg62' is missing final newline
[01:04] <yahalom> Seveas, well i am looking at my firestarter intrusions.
[01:04] <yahalom> Seveas, i can only guess by looking at what looks unusual
[01:04] <Seveas> yahalom, did the attacker do actual harm, or did firestarter just detect an attempt?
[01:04] <Hajuu> Heya
[01:04] <wizard31> replaced old source.list....updated tried to install
[01:04] <ekCo> Does anyone at all know how to get Teamspeak working on ubuntu 64bit?
[01:05] <Seveas> wizard31, try apt-get clean too
[01:05] <Hajuu> are there any good filesharing apps taht I can get through apt-get?
[01:05] <Seveas> maybe something went wrong in the download
[01:05] <yahalom> Seveas, started root apps and started guessing my password
[01:05] <ekCo> also why is every recording app saying i dont have a capture device when i've set it all right and i can hear myself?
[01:05] <ekCo> lol
[01:05] <Seveas> yahalom, ouch
[01:05] <Seveas> so he must have guessed your password
[01:05] <yahalom> Seveas, its like he was watching me type my password, and then when he thought he had it, he tried to do all sorts of stuff with it
[01:05] <Dalkus> ekCo, try doing "killall esd" just before you run the app
[01:06] <ekCo> ok
[01:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> yahalom, do you have any other user accounts on your system?
[01:06] <Seveas> yahalom, you should disable sshd if you don't have a good password
[01:06] <yahalom> ekCo, sorry about ur mum man. she's a good woman
[01:06] <wizard31> files list file for package `libjpeg62' is missing final newline
[01:06] <wizard31> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:06] <wizard31>  /var/cache/apt/archives/gaim-data_1%3a1.1.4-1ubuntu4.3_all.deb
[01:06] <wizard31> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[01:06] <wizard31> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:06] <ekCo> no yahalom
[01:06] <Seveas> wizard31, do NOT paste in here
[01:06] <yahalom> Kamping_Kaiser, no simultaneous login
[01:06] <wizard31> cleaned
[01:06] <Seveas> read the topic...
[01:06] <ekCo> Dalkus, same problem
[01:06] <wizard31> sorry
[01:06] <yahalom> Seveas, my password sucks
[01:06] <yahalom> Seveas, i wanted it simple
[01:06] <Seveas> yahalom, well, don't complain about being attacked then....
[01:07] <ekCo> its as if my sound card and drivers arn't being found, but i get perfect sound in games and music is able to be played.
[01:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> yaholom, but do you have more then one account?
[01:07] <dim_witted_kid> can anyone help me bout setting ubuntu's resolution?
[01:07] <yahalom> Kamping_Kaiser, yes
[01:07] <Chadwill> mornin' folks
[01:07] <ekCo> Dalkus, know anything that could help
[01:07] <ekCo> ?
[01:07] <thoreauputic> yahalom: remember that your password is used for sudo - so it needs to be hard to crack
[01:07] <Seveas> dim_witted_kid: To find out ho you can change your display's resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:07] <dim_witted_kid> mine's stuck at 640x480
[01:07] <Hajuu> are there any good filesharing apps that I can get through apt-get?
[01:07] <Dalkus> yahalom, you should use a phrase like "I like to go to the park" and use every first letter like: "IlTgTtP"
[01:07] <Seveas> Hajuu, yes
[01:07] <dim_witted_kid> i tried to @ seveas...
[01:07] <Hajuu> such as?
[01:07] <Chadwill> #linux
[01:07] <yahalom> Seveas, but he didnt get access he only guess., then i typed in the address bar after he opened my browser that i can see him and am going to kill him, and it all stopped
[01:07] <dim_witted_kid> i don't think i'm wise enough for that
[01:07] <Dalkus> ekCo, sorry - fraid not, someone else will though
[01:08] <ekCo> how can i try resetting my sound devices etc?
[01:08] <Seveas> Hajuu, dcgui-qt for instance..
[01:08] <yahalom> Dalkus, thats cool
[01:08] <ThE__OnE> Seveas, is Enlightment better than the default theme that Ubuntu comes in?
[01:08] <Hajuu> Hmmm
[01:08] <Hajuu> Never heard of that.
[01:08] <Tom337> does anyone know which is the default port for gnome-btdownload?
[01:08] <Seveas> dim_witted_kid, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, if that fails you'll have to resort to manually editing xorg.conf
[01:08] <Dalkus> ThE__OnE, again it depeends on your taste
[01:08] <Dalkus> enlightenment is pretty
[01:08] <yahalom> Seveas, like the most recent intrusion i have is now : SSH TCP
[01:08] <kzm> Did anybody want the Ubuntu 5.04 DVD?  I have it now, and can probably put it on a web server for download.
[01:08] <ThE__OnE> any downsides?
[01:08] <Seveas> yahalom, disable sshd then
[01:09] <yahalom> Seveas, how?
[01:09] <Seveas> until you change your password to a secure one
[01:09] <Seveas> yahalom, aptitude purge sshd
[01:09] <thoreauputic> yahalom: note the IP th eattempts are coming from too
[01:09] <ThE__OnE> Dalkus, any downsides to Enlightment?
[01:09] <mikas> Dalkus, e17? is it in working condition already? :)
[01:09] <wizard31> any way of listing lasted install apps?
[01:09] <Hajuu> Enlightenment is ugly :(
[01:09] <Dalkus> ThE__OnE, if you haev a slow computer it can get pretty slow
[01:09] <thoreauputic> yahalom: block the intruder's IP right away
[01:10] <mindspin> btw yahalom is it a server or desktop machine ?
[01:10] <Dalkus> and if you dont like animations, it's not for you
[01:10] <ThE__OnE> by slow computer, you mean how slow about?
[01:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> wizard31, what do you mean "lasted install"?
[01:10] <Dalkus> well... anything less than about 400mb ram can start to lag after a while with it
[01:10] <Chadwill> hey all.. im kinda new to ubuntu.. i cant seem to get a choice to login as root..or work as root..how do i do this on ubuntu?
[01:10] <mindspin> sudo
[01:10] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[01:10] <ubotu> [rootsudo]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[01:10] <wizard31> figger my problem with apt-get is from a bad app
[01:10] <ekCo> Is there a reason my sound devices wont be found in recording apps, but when playing games/music i can hear sounds and use mixing, ie using more sound devices?
[01:11] <ThE__OnE> i have 128RAM hehe
[01:11] <sknroiws> Hello
[01:11] <yahalom> thoreauputic,  trying to use printer service. weird?
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> on a 200mhz box
[01:11] <Seveas> Chadwill, you don't want to login as root, really...
[01:11] <yahalom> thoreauputic,  its TCP
[01:11] <yahalom> thoreauputic,  an adsl guy
[01:11] <Seveas> Chadwill, always minimize the amount of work you do as root
[01:11] <yahalom> thoreauputic,  i think hes blocked
[01:12] <sknroiws> I just installed ubuntu on my computer and it says error loading operating system
[01:12] <sknroiws> Whats wrong?
[01:12] <Chadwill> but im not soom good on cmd/shell yet.. i just wanted to move a folder to /usr
[01:12] <mindspin> yahalom why do you need ssh accesss from outside?
[01:12] <yahalom> thoreauputic, anyway i can message him and freak him out?
[01:12] <yahalom> mindspin, i dont
[01:12] <Dalkus> Chadwill, sudo mv name-of-folder /usr/
[01:12] <thoreauputic> yahalom: you can report the incident to the ISP - use whois to ID that IP number
[01:12] <mindspin> but you seem to have ;-)
[01:12] <mindspin> forget it
[01:12] <Seveas> Chadwill, why on earth?
[01:13] <ekCo> anyone help me?"
[01:13] <mindspin> it will lead to nothing
[01:13] <Seveas> you should not do that...
[01:13] <erb> hello
[01:13] <Chadwill> ty
[01:13] <Seveas> yahalom, if you don't need ssh access from outside, why did you install an ssh server..?
[01:13] <yahalom> thoreauputic, wow
[01:14] <marc> hola alguien espanyol?
[01:14] <yahalom> thoreauputic, a mall in adelaide australia.phone and everything.
[01:14] <Seveas> marc, va en #ubuntu-es por espaol
[01:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> seveas, make sure telnets not installed either
[01:15] <yahalom> Seveas, i didnt realise i did
[01:15] <Tom337> Does anyone know the default port that the bittorrent client uses that came with Ubuntu?
[01:15] <sknroiws> Has anyone else recieved that error? Error loading Operating System?
[01:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> sknroiws, can you be more specific?
[01:15] <yahalom> thoreauputic, would that be the guys number or the internet cafe? worth calling?
[01:15] <sknroiws> Well after installing
[01:15] <sknroiws> I rebooted
[01:15] <thoreauputic> yahalom: report the bugger with IP and time of sattack
[01:15] <sknroiws> And thats all it said
[01:15] <sknroiws> I tried reintalling
[01:15] <sknroiws> But it said the same thing
[01:15] <Seveas> Tom337, use google / the bittorent site / look inside a .torrent file ....
[01:16] <thoreauputic> yahalom: just contact the ISP
[01:16] <yahalom> thoreauputic, to whom?
[01:16] <thoreauputic> see above
[01:16] <yahalom> thoreauputic, his isp? or mine?
[01:16] <Seveas> yahalom, his.
[01:16] <mindspin> abuse@isp-providers email
[01:16] <yahalom> thoreauputic, hes in freaking australia
[01:16] <thoreauputic> yahalom: his, of course
[01:16] <thoreauputic> yahalom: they should warn him at least (although the IP might be spoofed)
[01:16] <yahalom> thoreauputic, i want to be sure. i have about 20 attemps by that ip address. sounds like the one no?
[01:16] <mindspin> my attackers mostly come from korea
[01:16] <xtcboarder> ahm... i updated my kernel image de day before yesterday and hopluggin on my pendrive stopped yesterday (i tried to use it yesterday)... has anybody noticed this bug? (if this is a bug...)
[01:17] <thoreauputic> yahalom: check which ports - and make sure you have everything locked down
[01:17] <mindspin> and disable ssh login from outside
[01:17] <ekCo> Question: I setup a 32bit chroot using the unofficial wiki, but when i go to update and upgrade, the source list doesn't connect.. it will sit on 0% and wont connect, how can i fix this and get a working 32bit chroot?
[01:18] <xtcboarder> the system would create the Folder for the pendrive's partition but it wouldn't mount it and i could opnly mount it via sudo cause it's not in fstab.....
[01:18] <yahalom> thoreauputic, i'm having trouvle figuring out if the number is the isp or an office, like if the pc is in an office, so its a company server.
[01:18] <mindspin> what does whois say?
[01:19] <yahalom> mindspin, u asking me?
[01:19] <mindspin> yep
[01:19] <Seveas> ekCo, unofficial wiki..?
[01:19] <thoreauputic> yahalom: there should be an identifying field that tells you who controls that block of IP addresses
[01:19] <Seveas> and can you paste your sources.list on a pastebin please
[01:19] <yahalom> mindspin, phone:        +61-8-82282999
[01:19] <mindspin> not phone, ther should be an entry with ip adresses
[01:19] <ekCo> Seveas
[01:19] <mindspin> domain
[01:19] <ekCo> http://digital-conquest.ath.cx/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu#Building_a_clean_32bit_chroot_with_debbootstrap_on_AMD64
[01:20] <yahalom> thoreauputic, but i'm not sure its him. i mean its a ton of attemps. how can i be 100%. i dont know what logs to look at.
[01:20] <mindspin> "/var/log/auth.log" is agood start
[01:20] <ekCo> Seveas http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/155
[01:20] <yahalom> i'd feel really bad if its just some granny who is messing around cos she has no clue :)
[01:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> yahalom, are you with bezeqint.net?
[01:20] <mindspin> its surely not
[01:20] <thoreauputic> yahalom: that's not likely
[01:21] <mindspin> whats his ip ?
[01:21] <wizard31> what would happen if i do apt-get -f upgrade?
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser>  whois <IP ADDRESS> |grep @
[01:21] <mindspin> here ya go
[01:21] <thoreauputic> yahalom: if someone has enough clues to get control of your desktop, it isn't a grumpy granny
[01:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:21] <verden01> hi
[01:22] <jnoreiko> networking with OS X doesn't work since I upgraded to Hoary :(
[01:22] <ekCo> Seveas?
[01:22] <ekCo> Seveas, also check, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/156
[01:22] <yahalom> thoreauputic, is this something: Jun 21 14:17:01 localhost CRON[12611]  ?
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's OK
[01:22] <yahalom> Kamping_Kaiser, yes why?
[01:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> crons are all good
[01:23] <snoozy> when is the next ubuntu due out ?
[01:23] <yahalom> Kamping_Kaiser, so there is nothign wrong in that log
[01:23] <mindspin> yahalom, why not gving is IP ?
[01:23] <yahalom> mindspin, come again plz?
[01:23] <Seveas> ekCo, try apt-get update...
[01:23] <mindspin> yahalom, why not gving his IP ?
[01:24] <ekCo> Seveas, root@ekCo:/ # sudo chroot /chroot/
[01:24] <ekCo> root@ekCo:/ # apt-get update      -             0% [Connecting to au.archive.ubuntu.com]  [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com] 
[01:24] <ekCo> pauses
[01:24] <anarklov3r> Hey ppl
[01:24] <ekCo> then fails to connect
[01:24] <thoreauputic> yahalom: tell us the IP and we'll check it out
[01:24] <Seveas> hmmz....
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic I'm going over it with him
[01:24] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: OK
[01:24] <anarklov3r> I need some help, how/where can i download themes for ubuntu??? ive looked all over but cant find any :(:(
[01:25] <yahalom> thoreauputic, 203.122.207.192
[01:25] <jnoreiko> anarklov3r, look on the gnome website
[01:25] <eskaypey> anarklov3r: you mean themes for Gnome? gnome-look.org
[01:25] <anarklov3r> i downlaoded a them, but it says some error that i cant install it
[01:25] <yahalom> thoreauputic, what is microsoft-ds?
[01:25] <thoreauputic> anarklov3r: also do ` sudo apt-get install gnome-themes-extras `
[01:25] <Swoop|Around> just look for gnome themes ?
[01:26] <bfsPaul> is it possible to re-download all deb's that were'nt installed from the standard cd?
[01:26] <anarklov3r> so i have to do that sudo thing for themes to work??
[01:26] <Swoop|Around> hmm question
[01:26] <Seveas> anarklov3r, art.gnome.org gnome-look.org and really read: art.gnome.org/faq.php
[01:26] <Swoop|Around> sudo is great for console work ect
[01:26] <Swoop|Around> but if i need to delete a folder created by root
[01:26] <eskaypey> anarklov3r: what the error say?
[01:26] <Seveas> ekCo, no idea what's wrong there...
[01:26] <Swoop|Around> and i want to use the graphical interface .. nautilus
[01:26] <anarklov3r> gtx 1 or 2???
[01:26] <ekCo> indeed
[01:26] <Swoop|Around> how do i get permission ?
[01:26] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: yahalom looks like an internode customer then
[01:26] <Swoop|Around> my user dont have permission without sudo, and i cant type sudo in the grpahical
[01:26] <Dalkus> Swoop|Around, gksudo
[01:27] <Seveas> Swoop|Around, do NOT use nautilus as root!
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, he is :o
[01:27] <ekCo> Seveas, let me do another test, how do i run a 32bit app?
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauptuic, he just gave me his whois data
[01:27] <Swoop|Around> Seveas: i wasnt
[01:27] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: you guys are dangerous ;)
[01:27] <anarklov3r> the file format is invalid
[01:27] <Seveas> Swoop|Around, well, you want to
[01:27] <mindspin> hehe no abuse mail addy
[01:27] <Swoop|Around> i was merely in that situation before and i crippled my install
[01:27] <Demitar> bfsPaul, short answer: yes. (Longer answer: Why?)
[01:27] <Seveas> but you shouldn't
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreau, t3h leetzors ;)
[01:27] <Swoop|Around> i need to delete a faulty placed usr directory
[01:27] <ekCo> how do i run a 32bit chroot app?
[01:27] <Swoop|Around> but by accident in the console i delete the /usr dir
[01:28] <Swoop|Around> and thus .. machine didnt work all that well :(
[01:28] <Seveas> Swoop|Around, hehe, can imagine :)
[01:28] <Seveas> I had that once with /var/lib
[01:28] <Swoop|Around> so i was wondering isnt it possible to temp gain root access to stuff like that
[01:28] <Swoop|Around> get it to ask for root pw or something when performing tasks
[01:28] <anarklov3r> Coulnt find package gnome-theme-extras
[01:28] <Seveas> Swoop|Around, that's what sudo is for :)
[01:29] <Seveas> sudo rm /complete/path/to/what/you/delete -r
[01:29] <Swoop|Around> well i did use sudo hehe.. only i should have specified the correct dir hehe
[01:29] <anarklov3r> Seveas was that directed at me/
[01:29] <Swoop|Around> i was in the dir, and /usr seemed correct in my haste hehe.. teach me to always pell out the complete path
[01:29] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> anarklov3r: gnome-themes-extra
[01:29] <eskaypey> anarklov3r: add multiuniverse to your apt source list
[01:29] <Seveas> anarklov3r, no :)
[01:30] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: that IP isn't pingable - he's gone offline I would guess
[01:30] <snoozy> fuck
[01:30] <mindspin> yep
[01:30] <snoozy> i found a bug in apt-get
[01:30] <snoozy> who do i tell ?
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic, do we get him to email node?
[01:30] <anarklov3r> can sum1 pm me?? i need help lol
[01:30] <Demitar> Swoop|Around, the paranoid-sysadmin-trick is to type it and run it as a normal user first, and of course "Never do filesystem management late at night."
[01:30] <eskaypey> snoozy: whats it do?
[01:30] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: I think so - with evidence and times
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> OK. I'll just find the email
[01:31] <snoozy> umm
[01:31] <snoozy> well
[01:31] <mindspin> but it will not have any effect
[01:31] <Seveas> snoozy, first make sure it's a bug :)
[01:31] <snoozy> i'm a windows guy
[01:31] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: he needs a good kick in the pants...
[01:31] <snoozy> :)
[01:31] <snoozy> but here goes
[01:31] <ekCo> How do i run an application using a 32bit chroot?!?!
[01:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure does
[01:31] <yahalom> thoreauputic, these are the services he used: all through TCP: HTTPS Telnet  Rtsp ftp SMTP SpamD Smux Gnutella Bgpd etc.
[01:31] <Seveas> ekCo: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[01:31] <snoozy> i've been copying & pasting paragraphs of commands
[01:31] <snoozy> from ubuntoguide.org
[01:31] <anarklov3r> GTX 1.x or 2.x???
[01:31] <yahalom> Seveas, u see?
[01:31] <Swoop|Around> does anybody know if the Intel i852 gfx card works good on linux ?
[01:31] <snoozy> now when i sudo apt-get something
[01:31] <Seveas> snoozy, ubuntuguide.org is bad
[01:31] <Seveas> apt-get is ok :)
[01:31] <mindspin> yahalom what does "/var/log/auth.log" say
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> yahalom:
[01:32] <misaka> hoi Seveas.
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> abuse@Internode.on.net
[01:32] <snoozy> it doesn't seem to flush stdin before asking [Y/n] 
[01:32] <mindspin> most of this attacks are done by bots
[01:32] <Swoop|Around> im currently negotatiating a buy of a laptop with the intel i852 gfx card.. and i want to know if it runs 3d in linux
[01:32] <thoreauputic> yahalom: you need to send internode logs and times etc
[01:32] <wizard31> apt-get bug???
[01:32] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> snoozy: be careful of ubuntuguide. some of its inst are suspect
[01:32] <yahalom> mindspin, nothing
[01:32] <Swoop|Around> my current one with sis gfx doesnt do 3d :(
[01:32] <snoozy> mmmmm
[01:32] <Seveas> snoozy, why should it flush stdin..?
[01:32] <snoozy> well
[01:32] <snoozy> fuck
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> email them what happened, your logs
[01:32] <Demitar> Swoop|Around, http://x.org/X11R6.8.2/doc/RELNOTES3.html#9 perhaps?
[01:32] <snoozy> cause it gets confused from the paste
[01:32] <Seveas> snoozy, that's your fault then
[01:32] <misaka> snoozy - You shouldn't be pasting stuff like that into apt-get. ;] 
[01:32] <snoozy> hahaha
[01:32] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> snoozy: stick with www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[01:32] <wizard31> what bug?
[01:33] <yahalom> Kamping_Kaiser, which logs. i'm using the firestarted gui, i dont know where the log is
[01:33] <Seveas> snoozy, no program should ever flush stdin
[01:33] <misaka> Although that's probably a good idea to flush stdin, but I wouldn't call that a bug.
[01:33] <mindspin> syslog
[01:33] <mindspin> if nothing helps
[01:33] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: I'm  abit disappointed the creep went offline - I was going to nmap him to put the fear of $DEITY into him ;)
[01:33] <misaka> Seveas - Shouldn't interactive programs? Some programs do flush stdin ...
[01:33] <Seveas> misaka, it's a bug in your thinking, not in apt-get
[01:33] <ekCo> Where can i find a list of Desktop Engines?
[01:33] <ekCo> Like gnome, kde, xfce etc
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic, i was looking for a similar bit of fun
[01:33] <nalioth_wrkn> thoreauputic: behave now.... there are other ways <EG>
[01:33] <wizard31> i have apt-get bug lol
[01:34] <Seveas> misaka, if you do that, standard tricks like yes | program_name will stop working
[01:34] <Seveas> wizard31, you don't have an apt-get bug
[01:34] <Seveas> you just didn't listen...
[01:34] <mindspin> we should scan yahalom to give him help, not the attacker
[01:34] <wizard31> it's bugging me lol
[01:34] <misaka> Seveas - Well ya, but that's not always appropriate ... there should be a '-y' flag, imo.
[01:34] <Seveas> misaka, true
[01:34] <thoreauputic> mindspin: true
[01:34] <misaka> yes | <cmd> is just a hack.
[01:35] <yahalom> mindspin, ?
[01:35] <Seveas> but still, if a program flushes stdin, it is documented
[01:35] <Seveas> flusing stdin is NOT standard
[01:35] <misaka> Seveas - *nod* ... it should be documented and it's not standard, I agree. As I said, it ain't a bug. ;] 
[01:35] <mindspin> yahalom ?
[01:36] <thoreauputic> yahalom: mindspin is suggesting it might help if someone scanned you to see what ports you might have listening
[01:36] <yahalom> thoreauputic, how do u scan me?
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> he's got 80 open ;)
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbs.
[01:37] <yahalom> thoreauputic, where does firestarter store its log?
[01:37] <black-whisp> whats the  comand for tjekking you current kernel version?
[01:38] <yahalom> thoreauputic, u saw my msg?
[01:38] <misaka> black-whisp - uname -r
[01:38] <mbirkis> is it safe to remove gnome stuff... when it says it also removes ubuntu-desktop?
[01:38] <snadge> how come xmms-flac is listed as a package for hoary.. but its not on the dvd? is there a bigger hoary source.list i can use?
[01:38] <Gibbonz|Work> is breezy (5.10) a dev release ?
[01:39] <Seveas> Gibbonz|Work, it's not yet a release
[01:39] <nalioth_wrkn> mbirkis: ubuntu-desktop is a metapackage, so yes (as long as you have it back in time to upgrade)
[01:39] <Seveas> it will be released in October
[01:39] <thoreauputic> yahalom: sorry I was cut off by my ISP :)
[01:39] <Gibbonz|Work> ah right
[01:39] <mbirkis> nalioth_wrkn: hvae it back in time to upgrade?
[01:39] <mbirkis> *have
[01:39] <Gibbonz|Work> just noticed it in the mirrorservice
[01:39] <mindspin> yahalom wants to know wher firestarter logs to
[01:39] <nalioth_wrkn> mbirkis: if you don't have it 'installed' those things might not upgrade next time
[01:40] <thoreauputic> mindspin: I don't know - I assume all hits are in syslog?
[01:40] <mindspin> that was my guess too
[01:40] <yahalom> thoreauputic, where is syslog? /etc/syslog?
[01:41] <shawarma> yahalom: /var/log/syslog
[01:41] <mindspin> "/var/log/syslog"
[01:41] <thoreauputic> yahalom: /var/log
[01:41] <mbirkis> nalioth_wrkn: i wan't to remove gnome-pilot and some other gnome stuff... synaptic tells me that ubuntu-desktop will also be removed, will i have to reinstall gnome-pilot and the other stuff just for an upgrade?
[01:41] <nalioth_wrkn> mbirkis: no. just ubuntu-desktop
[01:41] <nalioth_wrkn> yahalom: you won't be clueless much longer
[01:41] <mbirkis> nalioth_wrkn: ok i think i understand
[01:41] <Gibbonz|Work> btw, nice job
[01:41] <thoreauputic> yahalom: just check the times in syslog and look for the IP
[01:42] <yahalom> Kamping_Kaiser, damage?
[01:42] <yahalom> nalioth_wrkn, lol not after this
[01:42] <Gibbonz|Work> been using the livecd on my comp at home for the past few days, and its a fine distro :)
[01:42] <mindspin> I dont watch the logs anymore for such a mass of attempts....
[01:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> yahalom, you joined 50 minutes ago, so anthing after that's probably not it..,.
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> and no, no damage *wipes brow*
[01:43] <nalioth_wrkn> y'all have a good day, and happy hunting!
[01:43] <Sly> im out too :) take care
[01:44] <Gibbonz|Work> nice too that it favours a gnome desktop
[01:44] <yahalom> thoreauputic, ok i think i was following the wrong track
[01:44] <Sly-Away> is it ? in my opinion should favour a xfce desktop
[01:45] <hypn0_> how do i fixe the sound problem, rhythembox works but for games and recording theres no sound
[01:45] <Gibbonz|Work> alsa+xmms+mplayer = media playback sorted ;p
[01:45] <zyth> Gibbonz|Work, and installed to HD, even faster
[01:46] <zyth> eh, I like Beep Media Player > XMMS
[01:46] <Gibbonz|Work> hehe yeah... do NOT click 'Help' on a livecd ;)
[01:46] <thoreauputic> yahalom:  grep <IP.NUMBER.HERE.> /var/log/syslog should find hits from the IP
[01:46] <hypn0_> ok Gibbonz|Work
[01:47] <Gibbonz|Work> ?
[01:47] <hypn0_> Gibbonz|Work, media playback is fine, just games and recording
[01:47] <Gibbonz|Work> oh. thats was a side comment :)
[01:47] <yahalom> thoreauputic, nope
[01:48] <hypn0_> nd why rnt games added to menu :-)
[01:48] <hypn0_> only 2 or 3 of 'em were added :-)
[01:49] <Gibbonz|Work> i'll admit the 'linux for humanity' was a concern at first... sounds so cheesy
[01:49] <hypn0_> i installed over 20 :-)
[01:49] <Seveas> hypn0_, not all packages define a menu entry unfortunately
[01:49] <Seveas> there is ongoing work to fix that..
[01:49] <yahalom> thoreauputic, man i have no idea how to find the intrusion :( theres tons of attemps
[01:49] <thoreauputic> yahalom: ls /var/log/syslog*  to see all your syslog files listed (some will be .gz)
[01:50] <Gibbonz|Work> but was fed up of gnoppix's incompleteness so went and dled ubuntu's livecd
[01:50] <thoreauputic> yahalom: if you know the guy's IP, you can grep through and find the ones from that IP
[01:51] <yahalom> thoreauputic, yes but there are tons of adsl ips in it. how do i know which one took over?
[01:51] <thoreauputic> yahalom: I thought you already got the guy's IP address?
[01:52] <yahalom> thoreauputic, that ip address is not in syslog
[01:52] <yahalom> thoreauputic, so it cant be it
[01:52] <thoreauputic> yahalom: look in syslog.0 -m and check the times
[01:53] <djs> hypn0_: Something here might help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[01:53] <thoreauputic> syslog.0  sorry
[01:54] <m0r0n> What will happen when I install an additional SoundBlaster Live Card. I just have an onboard soundchip. Will Ubuntu recognize that card without any problems?
[01:54] <xabbu> How can I change the ordinary language in Ubuntu?
[01:54] <yahalom> thoreauputic, my syslog.0 end at Jun 21 10:07:25 the attack was at 14:00
[01:55] <thoreauputic> yahalom: hmm
[01:55] <Seveas> xabbu, ordinary language..?
[01:55] <Gibbonz|Work> how do you edit the menu, while on the subject
[01:55] <Seveas> you mean the language of the interface?
[01:55] <Seveas> Gibbonz|Work: you can find out more about gnome 2.10 (hoary) menu editing on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/GnomeMenuEditingHowTo
[01:55] <hypn0_> Seveas, djs, tnx :-)
[01:55] <xabbu> The destop language, I have Swedish now, and I would like English
[01:55] <yahalom> thoreauputic, maybe i'll just send them a warning
[01:55] <Seveas> xabbu, dpkg-reconfigure locales
[01:56] <Gibbonz|Work> cool, ta Seveas
[01:56] <xabbu> okey
[01:56] <yahalom> thoreauputic, cool. i can just save the firestarter list.
[01:56] <thoreauputic> yahalom: you've changed your password, I hope?
[01:57] <mindspin> to minimum seven digits, lower and upper case and numbers
[01:58] <yahalom> thoreauputic, yes
[01:58] <xabbu> Do I have to restart Gnome?
[01:58] <Seveas> yahalom, if you want to keep your password simple and safe, use l33tspeak :)
[01:59] <yahalom> Seveas, lol thanx
[01:59] <Seveas> Once, my password was Gr4p3v!n3 (Grapevine)
[01:59] <xabbu> 1337 h4xx0r
[01:59] <Seveas> no one guesses Gr4p3v!n3
[01:59] <Phreakazoid> easy way to make a password... think of a phrase, use the first letters of each word, and put in leetspeak
[01:59] <Phreakazoid> :P
[01:59] <zyth> my router password is pwnm3
[01:59] <zyth> not SO secure, but it amuses me
[01:59] <Gibbonz|Work> apache will be 1337 before long.
[01:59] <yahalom> thoreauputic, Seveas any of u guys willing to look at my firerstarter file, to see if u agree with me about the ip i'm going to complain about?
[02:00] <Seveas> yahalom, sure, if it's a big file send it to dennis@ubuntulinux.nl
[02:00] <yahalom> Seveas, thanx
[02:01] <cs02rm0> i'm trying to install ubuntu, the installation cd boots, goes through a few options and then says 'Your installation CD-ROM couldn't be mounted...' the cdrom is in the drive and i've tried three different cd drives, anyone know what's going wrong/how to fix it?
[02:02] <zyth> cs02rm0, your CDrom could be bad (the disc)
[02:02] <zyth> have you tried burning another disc?
[02:02] <cs02rm0> i'm running short on discs so i was hoping to avoid that, but i guess i'll have to give it a go.
[02:03] <zyth> I constantly got a weird networking detection error on an install, turned out to be a bad CD-R.. so yeah, I'd recommend that, esp if you've tried 3 cdroms drives
[02:03] <mikas> cdrw is your friend when installing any distribution
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> yahalom, I'll look at your logs
[02:03] <refuze2looze> oh come on, disks are a few cents each nowadays =p
[02:03] <Seveas> cs02rm0, try burning it slowly
[02:04] <zyth> refuze2looze, yah, but if you don't have spare cash, that can be too expensive
[02:04] <refuze2looze> zyth, if you don't have $5 to spare maybe you should get a second job, hehe
[02:04] <cs02rm0> it's more the fact that i'm in the middle of nowhere and can't get to a store that sells them.
[02:04] <yahalom> Kamping_Kaiser, how do i get it to u?
[02:04] <zyth> refuze2looze, O
[02:04] <aethera> lo all
[02:04] <zyth> refuze2looze, lol mebbe
[02:05] <Seveas> cs02rm0, i know the feeling :)
[02:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> yahalom, IM me about it.... I'm not putting my email here ;)
[02:05] <Seveas> use cdrws :)
[02:05] <aethera> has anyone used mono here before?
[02:05] <refuze2looze> i have
[02:05] <aethera> refuze2looze: for web dev?
[02:05] <refuze2looze> aethera, nope
[02:05] <aethera> hmmm
[02:06] <aethera> I am trying to convince people to use linux and mono instead on ms products
[02:06] <zyth> I ought to learn Java and Flash... there's like 2483274892 jobs for 'Web Programmers' around here
[02:06] <refuze2looze> zyth, really? where is that
[02:06] <Phreakazoid> tell me where you live
[02:06] <zyth> refuze2looze, BC, Canada
[02:06] <Phreakazoid> so I can move there and be able to get a job
[02:06] <aethera> I know java and flash and c# and php
[02:06] <zyth> lol
[02:07] <aethera> python and some other stuff
[02:07] <refuze2looze> zyth, damn.. those jobs usually aren't so plentiful anymore
[02:07] <Phreakazoid> I'm asking myself every day why I got a computer science degree
[02:07] <Phreakazoid> since its done me no good
[02:07] <aethera> ok i need to upgrade my system
[02:07] <zyth> I know C, Pascal, x86 Assembly, and uhm BASIC
[02:07] <Phreakazoid> throw any language at me and I either know it or could learn it in a week
[02:07] <refuze2looze> Phreakazoid, can't find any job with it?
[02:08] <Seveas> yahalom, that file shows only that he scanned you
[02:08] <zyth> Phreakazoid, yeah, I was gonna go to univ for that, skipped it, got A+'d and MCSE'd, got work, and have decided on Nursing for when I finally do go to univ. next year ;)
[02:08] <Seveas> yahalom, and there are no rules against that...
[02:08] <cthulfuego> Phreakazoid: INTERCAL; please report back next tuesday.
[02:08] <aethera> ok let me upgrade my system
[02:08] <zyth> IT jobs that I can stand are too hard to find.
[02:08] <cthulfuego> hahaha!
[02:08] <aethera> where can I get nice themes for my box
[02:08] <Phreakazoid> yeah
[02:08] <yahalom> Seveas, ok so its not him. so how do i find out?
[02:08] <Seveas> yahalom, it might be heim
[02:08] <Seveas> him*
[02:09] <refuze2looze> zyth, what kind of job can you get with A+ and MSCE? how do they pay
[02:09] <aethera> ok let me rather ask this refuze2looze is there a proper ide for .net in linux
[02:09] <Seveas> yahalom, browse through your syslog* files and search for sshd connections
[02:09] <yahalom> Seveas, what i dont get is y he doesnt hack me again? cos he hacked me while firestarter was running
[02:09] <zyth> refuze2looze, network technician, $25/hr or so starting
[02:09] <yahalom> Seveas, sshd is most likely way he did it?
[02:10] <refuze2looze> zyth, hey that's not bad..
[02:10] <yahalom> Seveas, could he have used the port that linpopup uses?
[02:10] <zyth> refuze2looze, or you can freelance PC repair for like $60/hr but you have to build up contacts
[02:10] <zyth> refuze2looze, I quit my last job cause they were making about $60/hr more off of me than they were paying me.
[02:10] <refuze2looze> aethera, hmm.. haven't used any. here's one http://dev.mainsoft.com/Default.aspx?tabid=45
[02:11] <mikas> yahalom, because they've got scripts that try thousands of ips.. or are you sure that it's someone you know and it's personal?
[02:11] <yahalom> mikas, doubt it. those who would want to hurt me would it try it physically :)\
[02:11] <zyth> yahalom, the script kiddies with mass-scan entire IP blocks.  I get like 400 probes a day in my router logs
[02:11] <zyth> s/with/will
[02:12] <yahalom> zyth, so thats no crime :(
[02:12] <zyth> well, depends where you live
[02:12] <Dalkus> chill, it's nothing
[02:12] <Dalkus> it happens from time to time
[02:12] <refuze2looze> zyth, i had a $15/hr computer technician job with no degree/certification and they were charging $75/hour. it's pretty normal for them to make $60 an hour off you
[02:13] <Dalkus> just forget about it and choose better passwords in the future
[02:13] <zyth> refuze2looze, yeah, just made me cranky.
[02:13] <jnoreiko> nautilus says applications:/// is not a valid location
[02:13] <jnoreiko> what's changed since warty?
[02:13] <mikas> yeah.. my ubuntu has been installed for a week now and i've got 367 ssh attemtps on various non existing accounts..
[02:13] <Phreakazoid> refuze2looze, gosh $15 an hour... you get more than that working at McDonald's here
[02:13] <refuze2looze> zyth, i should have gotten MSCEs, i was thinking of doing it
[02:13] <zyth> refuze2looze, so I am currently job hunting, but I am looking outside of the IT industry.  Might actually do some manual labour
[02:13] <zyth> Phreakazoid, where the HECK do you live, the North Pole?
[02:13] <Phreakazoid> Australia
[02:14] <zyth> oh
[02:14] <zyth> ok Aus $
[02:14] <Phreakazoid> yeah
[02:14] <Phreakazoid> minimum wage is something like $16 ?
[02:14] <refuze2looze> Phreakazoid, well were i worked McDonals paid $6/hour and it was my first IT job so it wasn't so bad
[02:14] <zyth> here in northern Canada McD's starts @ $10/hr which is alot.
[02:14] <Phreakazoid> actually
[02:14] <Phreakazoid> depends
[02:14] <Phreakazoid> if you are full time they can pay you less
[02:14] <zyth> minimum here is $8/hr, and nationally that's up there.
[02:14] <refuze2looze> $16? but that's different than USD$ right?
[02:14] <zyth> some places are like $7
[02:14] <Phreakazoid> like $12
[02:14] <ThE__OnE> anyone know how to automatically check for mail upon start of Evolution?
[02:15] <Phreakazoid> $1 australian is about 78c US dollars
[02:15] <zyth> refuze2looze, yeah, it's a fair bit less
[02:15] <zyth> I need a linux job I can do from home ;)
[02:15] <zyth> lol
[02:16] <Phreakazoid> I think australian dollar is about the same as canadian dollar
[02:16] <anto9us> zyth: you any good with postgresql and zope?
[02:16] <Phreakazoid> *shrug*
[02:16] <refuze2looze> is MSCE international?
[02:16] <zyth> anto9us, unfortunately, no
[02:16] <zyth> refuze2looze, yeah
[02:16] <Phreakazoid> yes $1 AUD = $0.96 CAD
[02:16] <Phreakazoid> heh
[02:17] <zyth> woot, we're worth $0.04 more ;)
[02:17] <Phreakazoid> haha
[02:17] <refuze2looze> eh i don't think i'll find a job here with MSCE. i need to go back to college
[02:17] <Phreakazoid> about a year ago AUD was worth more
[02:17] <Phreakazoid> than CAD
[02:17] <Phreakazoid> but only barely
[02:17] <Phreakazoid> mm
[02:18] <Phreakazoid> I should work at a bar and get paid $20 an hour
[02:18] <zyth> I need to learn SQL.  Everyone seems to like it.
[02:18] <Phreakazoid> more than I'd get in an IT job
[02:18] <anto9us> zyth: that and an application server
[02:18] <refuze2looze> zyth, you should learn php and sql
[02:19] <zyth> anto9us, *nod*  any recommendations on where to start with the learning of it?
[02:19] <Phreakazoid> php and sql are both pretty simple to learn
[02:19] <Phreakazoid> learn php at the offical php documentation
[02:19] <refuze2looze> zyth, do you know any languages already?
[02:19] <crush> What will you be using sql with?
[02:19] <Phreakazoid> as for SQL, it varies between SQL servers
[02:19] <Phreakazoid> but not much
[02:19] <zyth> refuze2looze, C, Pascal, x86 Asm, and of course, basic
[02:19] <crush> What database?
[02:20] <zyth> crush, no idea, just in the 'I should learn this' mode
[02:20] <rommer> how do i install php with the gd module?
[02:20] <crush> Ok.
[02:20] <misaka> sqlite rocks the hause ...
[02:20] <crush> I'd start with mysql.
[02:20] <misaka> Especially if you're looking for something just to learn with.
[02:20] <yahalom> thoreauputic, what other log can i check other than syslog?
[02:21] <zyth> hmm Amazon has some books.
[02:21] <refuze2looze> yeah i'd start with mysql
[02:21] <refuze2looze> forget books, just find an online tutorial
[02:22] <thoreauputic> yahalom: AFAIK syslog is where connection attempt s would be - but I'm no expert on the subject
[02:22] <zyth> ahh ok
[02:22] <crush> Knowing SQl will help you in all areas of development, since most jobs these days have to do with storing and retrieving data.
[02:22] <misaka> Why MySQL? Just because everybody else uses it?
[02:22] <yahalom> thoreauputic, so if its not there. my comp could have just gone buggy?
[02:22] <crush> It's free and easy to use.
[02:22] <misaka> crush - sqlite is free and easier to use ...
[02:22] <zyth> and I already have it installed on my Win2k3 server...
[02:22] <thoreauputic> yahalom: if there's no damage maybe put it down to experience and read up about services/firewalls
[02:22] <misaka> Like, much easier to use.
[02:23] <yahalom> thoreauputic, thanx man
[02:23] <crush> I'm not familiar with sqlite, so I couldn't say.
[02:23] <thierry_> hi, I want to compile conglomerate 0.9.1 but when I do the configure I get this : configure: error: Library requirements (  gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0              gconf-2.0 >= 1.2.0               libxml-2.0 >= 2.0.0     libxslt >= 1.0.0  libbonobo-2.0 >= 2.0.0   libbonoboui-2.0 >= 2.0.0        libgnomeui-2.0 > 2.0.  libglade-2.0 >= 2.0.0) not met; consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if your libraries are in a non
[02:23] <thierry_> standard prefix so pkg-config can find them.    What can I do for fixing this?
[02:23] <ThE__OnE> anyone know how to automatically check for mail upon start of Evolution?
[02:23] <zyth> refuze2looze, know any good tutorials?  Google reveals a ton of crap
[02:23] <thoreauputic> yahalom: yes, maybe your system just weirded out somehow ;)
[02:23] <misaka> crush - If you're into checking out SQL dbs, it's worth looking at. It's a totally different approach ... I've used Oracle, PostgreSQL, MSAccess, MySQL, etc ... but SQLite is just awesome.
[02:23] <zyth> thierry_, paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:24] <misaka> But then, I've always prefered simpler over unnecessarily complex.
[02:24] <rommer> how do i install php with the gd module
[02:24] <crush> Someone was correct by saying above that it's similar across databases, though.
[02:24] <refuze2looze> zyth, i read one a long time ago... so i don't even remember. just go with one that looks good =p
[02:24] <zyth> lol k
[02:24] <misaka> rommer - There appears to be a package for it.
[02:24] <crush> sqlite better than Oracle?
[02:24] <misaka> crush - Yup.
[02:25] <misaka> crush - It's way different ... it's way better for me because of it's design approach. Simpler == better.
[02:25] <thierry_> zyth : what is it for?
[02:25] <rommer> but is there any other configuration needed to apache/php config files
[02:25] <thoreauputic> yahalom: note that anything that shows up in the firestarter GUI isn't an intrusion: it's a blocked connection
[02:25] <misaka> I took at installing Oracle on my Linux system recently, it was rediculous.
[02:25] <zyth> thierry_, pasting into the channel is generally bad.  Use paste.ubuntulinux.nl, then ask if people can look at it.
[02:25] <thierry_> k
[02:25] <yahalom> thoreauputic, right. i just thought maybe it said it blocked what it didnt
[02:26] <misaka> crush - sqlite is better only because it fills in a badly needed niche in SQL dbs ... command-line run, zero configuration, just run it and it works.
[02:26] <zyth> i need a firefox extention to block these pop ups that get around the pop up blocker, grr
[02:26] <crush> I've spent the last five years as an Oracle DBA.  Installiing it is ridiculous.
[02:26] <thoreauputic> yahalom: no, if it shows on the list it was successfully dropped, that's all
[02:27] <misaka> crush - sqlite is a totally different approach. It's not more powerful than Oracle, or even MySQL, but it's certainly way more convenient.
[02:27] <kaloun> hi all
[02:27] <crush> And it's complete overkill unless you are using for bullitproof enterprise data systems.
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic, connection attempts are in authlog
[02:28] <misaka> 'zactly. MySQL, PostgreSQL are also overkill in many cases.
[02:28] <misaka> Although, generally, I'd recommend PostgreSQL over MySQL, they've been more robust for longer.
[02:28] <thierry_> could someone help me building conglomerate? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/161
[02:28] <misaka> But anyway.
[02:28] <yahalom> thoreauputic, ah ok
[02:28] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, that makes sense :)
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> great isnt it :D
[02:29] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: I've given up expecting anything in *nix to be as obvious as that ;)
[02:29] <zyth> thierry_, do you have libgtk2.0-dev installed?
[02:30] <zyth> thierry_, in fact, all those libraries' dev versions?
[02:30] <zyth> thierry_, you could try apt-get install gnome-devel
[02:30] <donpablo> what's the process gam_server and can i get some more information abouth it
[02:30] <aethera> hmmm
[02:30] <zyth> might help clear that stuff up :)
[02:31] <jnoreiko> where's the setting for the size of icons in the applications menu?
[02:31] <jnoreiko> I'm sure mine have just shrunk
[02:31] <refuze2looze> thierry_, you can install it from apt
[02:32] <Gibbonz|Work> thing with mysql though, is its a known standard
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> don't thoreauputic, this is Ubuntu :D
[02:33] <Gibbonz|Work> im sure if any other db server became as popular, it would be the new standard :P
[02:33] <janhuib> any suggestion about the easiest way of encoding a DVD to theora on hoary?
[02:34] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: with Warty, setting up NFS I spent hours wondering why I couldn't connect - then I found an obscure /etc/defaults file that had portmap listening only on 127.0.0.1 by default... GRRR .. I notice that has changed in Hoary
[02:35] <r0d> I'm looking for a .vob editing program. anyone know of any?
[02:35] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: struck me as an insane default, but what would I know>
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol thoreau, i havent tried yet
[02:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. safe...
[02:36] <janhuib> really a pity that thoggen is not there yet
[02:36] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: safe yes - but can you explain to me what use portmap is if it doesn't listen on  the LAN?
[02:36] <thierry_> refuze2looze, I don'.t think I can install the 0.9.1 version that went out yesterday with apt
[02:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic, i don't have to - you know the answer
[02:37] <thoreauputic> ;)
[02:37] <anto9us> zyth: zope and postgresql, learn all there is to learn about entity modelling, good grounding in databases and information flow is important, zope is an easy bit for putting a front end to it all
[02:37] <zyth> anto9us, sounds good to me
[02:38] <Simira> where are the Ubuntu logos that is supposed to be on the UbuntuArtwork wiki page?
[02:40] <ekCo> hmm when installing the nvidia drivers without apt-get it keeps saying my kernel interface doesnt match, then when going to download it, fails, how can i fix this?
[02:40] <Seveas> Amaranth, there?
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> ekco, get the kernel headers
[02:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> and gcc
[02:40] <ekCo> by doing?
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> apt-get install gcc-3.4 Linux-kernel-headers-yourkenel
[02:41] <thoreauputic> ekCo: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[02:41] <thoreauputic> ekCo: and get build-essential , not just gcc
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> what he said :D
[02:42] <ekCo> so, sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r), sudo apt-get install gcc-3.4 linux-headers-$(uname -r), and then?
[02:42] <thoreauputic> ekCo: no, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[02:42] <anto9us> zyth: my basic approach to information flow is entity/location/action... nouns, proper nouns and verbs
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_9 i don't have all the build essentials
[02:43] <thoreauputic> ekCo: build-essential has make, g++ and other useful stuff
[02:43] <ekCo> ok
[02:43] <ekCo> ok done
[02:43] <ekCo> bbs
[02:43] <ekCo> thanks heaps :D
[02:43] <Simira> where are the Ubuntu logos that is supposed to be on the UbuntuArtwork wiki page?
[02:44] <tonquin> hey, is it my imagination or is ubuntu (the kernel) quite unhappy dealing with flash drives. i have one of those and a cf reader and both seem to induce major instability into my computer. any one else having this problem?
[02:44] <Swoop|Around> tonquin: works without a hitch here
[02:45] <jnoreiko> warty & hoary have both worked fine with my flashdrives
[02:45] <jnoreiko> so far :)
[02:45] <tonquin> swoop: maybe its my chipset, then?  very irritating for sure.
[02:45] <zyth> probably chipset.
[02:46] <tonquin> some kind of via stuff i'm pretty sure... one of the cheapest boards you can get :P
[02:46] <tonquin> works under windoz though :o
[02:47] <zyth> well yeah.
[02:47] <zyth> it ALL works under Windows, but for how long? ;)
[02:48] <Swoop|Around> hehe
[02:48] <tonquin> zyth, until it needs to reboot..about a day, typically :D
[02:48] <Swoop|Around> the biggest problem with linux imho is companies develop stuff and dont think of drivers to linux
[02:49] <Swoop|Around> thus sometimes people with less known hardware are stuck with incomplete, or lacking drivers
[02:49] <ThE__OnE> ok i intalled E from the Synaptic, how can i apply it now?
[02:50] <m0r0n> What tool do I need to convert an audio track to a wav-file?
[02:51] <tonquin> m0r0n: audacity should do it.
[02:51] <m0r0n> I ve already installed audacity, hm
[02:51] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: if you're lucky, it will have an entry in the gdm startup list, if you are unlucky you'll have to make a ~/.xsession file or hack a file in /usr/share/xsessions or similar
[02:54] <ThE__OnE> its not in the Sessions -Startup
[02:54] <ThE__OnE> if thats what you mean
[02:56] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: then you need either a default session (self-defined in ~/.xsession ) or a file in /usr/share/xsessions to point in the right place
[02:56] <thoreauputic> the ~/.xsession option is easier
[02:56] <ekCo> hey
[02:56] <MorphDK> Still no sound.. I've tried about everything!
[02:57] <ekCo> i ended up removing the old drivers previously.. via apt-get remove nvidia-glx, stopped gdm etc etc..
[02:57] <ThE__OnE> how would i go about that thor, ?
[02:57] <ekCo> the installation failed on a number of entrys.. didnt catch all the names
[02:57] <ekCo> but im now getting this error via glxgears
[02:57] <ekCo> leafb0x@ekCo:~$ glxgears
[02:57] <ekCo> glxgears: relocation error: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: symbol gnu_dev_makedev, version GLIBC_2.3.3 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[02:58] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: the simplest ~/.xsession would be a file containing the words " exec enlightenment "
[02:58] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: then you would choose "default" for your E session
[02:59] <ekCo> how can i uninstall nvidia drivers customly installed?
[02:59] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: from memory, menus for elightenment also need to be hand-hacked
[02:59] <m0r0n> I cant find the option in audacity to convert an audiotrack to a wavfile.
[02:59] <ThE__OnE> ahhh
[02:59] <ekCo> thoreauputic, can you help me?
[02:59] <thoreauputic> m0r0n: export as is the one I think = in the file menu
[03:00] <Dalk> http://img282.echo.cx/img282/8121/flower5qb.jpg
[03:00] <thoreauputic> ekCo: sorry, what I know about nvidia would fit easily on a postage stamp
[03:00] <zyth> if I apt-get install kubuntu desktop, will it mystically remove Gnome?
[03:00] <thoreauputic> zyth: no
[03:00] <ekCo> lolk
[03:00] <Dalk> er, sorry wrong window
[03:00] <ekCo> can anyone help with my problem?
[03:01] <psf> hello all!
[03:01] <zyth> thoreauputic, ok
[03:01] <psf> i can't remember now: what's the name of the live-cd live-filesystem loader?
[03:02] <thoreauputic> casper? ramdisk?
[03:02] <Occasus> hi all, i'd like to write a noob question about recompiling kernel
[03:02] <r0d> Occasus, just ask
[03:02] <psf> casper, thanks!
[03:02] <jnoreiko> teminal's telling me it can't find perl!
[03:02] <psf> :-)
[03:02] <jnoreiko> >> : bad interpreter: No such file or directory/usr/bin/perl
[03:02] <Occasus> ok
[03:02] <thoreauputic> Occasus: noob and "compile kernel" don't usually appear in the same sentence...
[03:03] <r0d> lol
[03:03] <r0d> yea this distro isnt the best for customizing your kernel
[03:03] <Occasus> yes, but i always use gentoo and i'm noob with ubuntu :D
[03:03] <r0d> for new ppl anyways
[03:03] <r0d> im from gentoo too:)
[03:03] <r0d> well ask away
[03:03] <black-whIsp> hey.. can anyone help me with my graphic card.. the direct rendering: No thing?
[03:03] <thoreauputic> Occasus: you (almost) certainly don't need to recompile a kernel
[03:04] <Chadwill> i need to make a file within /usr  how do i login as root to do stuff..like create a new file by r.clicking mouse>make new file
[03:04] <m0r0n> thoreauputic, audacity doesnt open the audiotrack, so that I cant export it to a wav file
[03:04] <zyth> black-whIsp, what is the problem?
[03:04] <zyth> m0r0n, try Grip?
[03:04] <Occasus> thoreauputic: i nedd to recompile it for getting my bad usb modem working
[03:04] <thoreauputic> m0r0n: what kind of audio track?
[03:04] <jnoreiko> but /usr/bin/perl actually exists. what am I doing wrong?
[03:04] <ekCo> anyone know how to remove custom installed nvidia drivers?
[03:04] <Occasus> btw, after i do make...i configure grub, etc, there's anything other to do?
[03:04] <ekCo> without using apt-get?
[03:04] <thoreauputic> Occasus: I don't know, but possibly all you need are the kernel headers?
[03:05] <Occasus> no, kernel sources
[03:05] <r0d> thoreauputic, you know what their is one reason(for me anyways) ntfs write permission
[03:05] <r0d> apt-get it Occasus
[03:05] <zyth> black-whIsp, talk on channel please.  What video card do you have?
[03:05] <r0d> do apt-cache search kernel source
[03:05] <r0d> or linux source
[03:05] <Occasus> i don't have any connection with internet in ubuntu
[03:05] <thoreauputic> apt-cache seaarch linux-source actually
[03:05] <ekCo> zyth, could you help me? or anyone?
[03:05] <ekCo> im in a pickle :P
[03:06] <black-whIsp> zyth: radeon 9800 xt.. i've install the driver with apt.. "apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx"
[03:06] <aethera> when I do a dist-upgrade
[03:06] <m0r0n> thoreauputic, property of that audio track displays "mime type: audio/x-wav"
[03:06] <aethera> will my desktop setting be the sam
[03:06] <Occasus> thoreauputic: but does it work if i'm not connected?
[03:06] <goldfish_> ekCo: how did you install them?
[03:06] <ekCo> via terminal
[03:06] <yahalom> what can i use to do desktop support for windows machines as well?
[03:07] <zyth> black-whIsp, k, one sec
[03:07] <ekCo> goldfish_, i stop gdm, then install the drivers.. but they corrupted
[03:07] <black-whIsp> zyth: okay. :)
[03:07] <thoreauputic> Occasus: apt-cache search works, yes - apt-get install won't, unless your sources are local
[03:07] <Chadwill> how do i work as root with mouse and windows..and not just shell?
[03:07] <thoreauputic> Chadwill: don't
[03:07] <zeedo> Chadwill: generally you dont, its not a great idea
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> crud. my remote servers not open to ssh :S
[03:07] <thoreauputic> Chadwill: X as root is a *very* bad idea
[03:07] <zeedo> Chadwill: but it is possible
[03:07] <ekCo> goldfish_, they are installed but glxgears etc do not work.. i removed my nvidia-glx via apt-get remove but how do i delete the ones i installed via terminal.. using sh nvidia*.run
[03:07] <Occasus> :( but is there any possibility to get ubuntu working with vanilla kernel and modem support?
[03:07] <yahalom> Chadwill, enable root loging to gdm from the gdm preferences
[03:08] <mindspin> try sudo nameofyour filemanager
[03:08] <goldfish_> ekCo: oh... not nice.
[03:08] <mindspin> chadwill i won't
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> occasus, depends on the modem
[03:08] <yahalom> Chadwill, look somewhere in ur menu for login screen or whatever (using xfce so dont remember) and there check root access
[03:08] <anto9us> yahalom: Terminal Server Client will connect to windows desktop
[03:08] <ekCo> goldfish_, i know.. when they installed i just realised it :P, anything i can do to get back to nvidia-7664?
[03:08] <yahalom> anto9us, i need visual
[03:09] <anto9us> yahalom: yes, it supports the RDP protocol
[03:09] <goldfish_> ekCo: hmm, i dont know i'm afraid.
[03:09] <thoreauputic> Chadwill: just repeating, in case you missed it - there are excellent reasons for not running X as root: both for security and not breaking your system
[03:09] <yahalom> anto9us, whats the package called to install?
[03:09] <ekCo> :o!
[03:09] <mindspin> and beleave those who know
[03:09] <ekCo> goldfish_, so theres no way of telling how to remove all nvidia drivers?
[03:10] <mindspin> and not those whos system got be compromised ;-)
[03:10] <Occasus> Kamping_Kaiser: the driver i'd like to use is accessurnner. the installation how-to say that i must recompile the kernel with a patch and include the firmware in hotplug
[03:10] <yahalom> lol imagine i was hacked while logged in root gui
[03:10] <goldfish_> ekCo: i dont really know myself, im asking some ppl.
[03:10] <ekCo> ok thansk
[03:10] <zyth> black-whIsp, http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[03:10] <thoreauputic> yahalom: exactly
[03:10] <anto9us> yahalom: tsclient
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> occasus, probably not good odds then
[03:10] <mindspin> so why giving such advices yahalom?
[03:10] <delire> ekCo: the sh installer doesn't use the debian packaging method. you'll need to manually remove those files.
[03:11] <ekCo> delire, how can i do this
[03:11] <yahalom> mindspin, not giving advise. he wanted to know how to do it.
[03:11] <Occasus> Kamping_Kaiser: btw, do you know how can i get initrd?
[03:11] <mindspin> haha
[03:11] <yahalom> mindspin, he didnt ask me for my opinion
[03:11] <Chadwill> ok..how do i make a new file then.. ? and rename it
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> how you edit it occasus?
[03:11] <black-whIsp> zyth: THANKS: :D
[03:11] <Occasus> when i compile the kernel i have bzImage, not initrd too with it
[03:11] <mindspin> never felt any social responsibility ?
[03:11] <delire> ekCo: 'updatedb && locate nvidia' to see what's there. i imagine you have many nvidia files in /usr/X11R6/lib
[03:11] <Chadwill> in shell i mean
[03:11] <zyth> black-whIsp, np :)
[03:11] <cswanson_> can anyone reccomend a good newsgroup reader/downloader for ubuntu?
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure
[03:11] <Occasus> Kamping_Kaiser: what, the kernel?
[03:12] <delire> ekCo: what do you want to do btw?
[03:12] <yahalom> cheers all
[03:12] <delire> ekCo: the end goal.
[03:12] <thoreauputic> yahalom: better not to tell someone at all - anyone clueless enough to run gnome as root is a risk to all
[03:12] <Invisible_Magi> Weirdness
[03:12] <Chadwill> i see that i need to learn some shell cmds..heh
[03:12] <ekCo> ok, i want to removed all nvidia drivers for my video card, and install the latest drivers from nvidia without using the ubuntu/debian way..
[03:12] <yahalom> thoreauputic, ok
[03:12] <ekCo> but the ones installed failed to install because they couldnt removed the current configured one..
[03:13] <ekCo> making them unstable
[03:13] <thoreauputic> Chadwill: for temporary sudo access you can do, for instance "gksudo gedit /file/name "
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> ekco, you cant remove them while x is running...
[03:13] <zyth> ekCo, did you check www.ubuntuforums.org ?
[03:13] <delire> ekCo: they both install to the same place, but install in different ways. so, you've tried to overwrite them with the new files but it didn't work?
[03:13] <ekCo> indeed..
[03:13] <delire> ekCo: and you're using the *.sh ?
[03:13] <Invisible_Magi> I just got a package from Ubuntu in the Mail containing 32 CD's ( 20X Intel CD's - 10X AMD64 CD's - 2X PPC CD's ) but I never ordered these ... not that I don't mind I could always use them inside my company as I do build custom systems with *nix installed
[03:13] <ekCo> yes.
[03:13] <delire> Invisible_Magi: hehe bonus
[03:14] <yahalom> Chadwill, u will find that using root through text mode removes the windows mentality of being a monkey. u will start to think, and remember things, and before u know it, u'll actually start to understand computers, and that is more rewarding :)
[03:14] <ekCo> ok, from x, i've killed the nvidia-glx drivers via apt-get, now i need to remove the others, for a fresh install
[03:14] <ekCo> then im done :)\
[03:14] <Occasus> now i gonna compile the kernel. if it doesn't work, i'll try to get the modem working with ututo-e
[03:14] <Occasus> bye
[03:14] <emacs> Invisible_Magi: enjoy the gift from mark
[03:14] <yahalom> Chadwill, might seem overwhelming, but its much simpler. no login in and out like a madman.
[03:14] <Invisible_Magi> incentives to Ubuntu: as the systems I install with *nix I charge a Fee, then that Fee gets donated to the *nix OS I used for the install
[03:15] <yahalom> for one
[03:15] <delire> ekCo: right. i would make note of all the files the installer wants to overwrite, remove them and then run the installer again.
[03:15] <thoreauputic> Chadwill: good place to start >> http://tuxfiles.org  ;)
[03:15] <delire> ekCo: though you'll need to be very careful in the process.
[03:15] <ekCo> isn't there an easier way?
[03:15] <emacs> Invisible_Magi: so will you install Ubuntu from now?
[03:15] <delire> ekCo: this is why people use packaging systems ;)
[03:15] <ekCo> lol
[03:15] <ekCo> i'll bbs
[03:15] <ekCo> oh the joy!
[03:16] <delire> ekCo: do you really need the latest driver? why are you not happy using the ubuntu/*.deb package?
[03:16] <ekCo> my video card runs at 300/1000 on ubuntu drivers.
[03:16] <Invisible_Magi> emacs: heh, I don't specify, I let the customer choose, but I give options.... if they choose Ubuntu then the money I charge for the install of Ubuntu will get donated (somehow) to the Ubuntu dev team.... speaking of which, now that I have the CD's where would I go to donate this money when it is time?
[03:16] <ekCo> on 7664 it runs at 525..
[03:16] <ekCo> big difference in frames
[03:16] <ekCo> and everything runs smoother.
[03:16] <ekCo> i know this because my mate has done the same thing :)
[03:16] <user1> Well..
[03:16] <delire> ekCo: are you sure you had direct rendering in the first place? is this with glxgears?
[03:17] <user1> Today I graduate..
[03:17] <user1> Goodluck to all..
[03:17] <emacs> Invisible_Magi: you can talk to Benjamin Mako Hill
[03:17] <ekCo> ye delire.
[03:17] <zyth> time for some World of Warcraft
[03:17] <delire> ekCo: use the command 'glxinfo | grep direct' to find out.
[03:17] <emacs> Invisible_Magi: mako@canonical.com
[03:17] <ekCo> im a fanatic gamer, ofcourse i always check this
[03:17] <delire> ekCo: right..
[03:17] <Invisible_Magi> emacs: thanks =)
[03:17] <ekCo> delire, cant atm, leafb0x@ekCo:~$ glxinfo | grep direct
[03:17] <ekCo> glxinfo: relocation error: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: symbol gnu_dev_makedev, version GLIBC_2.3.3 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[03:17] <ekCo> "_
[03:17] <ekCo> bbs :)
[03:17] <emacs> Invisible_Magi: :)
[03:18] <delire> what a mess.
[03:18] <zyth> ugh
[03:18] <zyth> nevermind
[03:18] <zyth> TUESDAY MORNING = I hate Blizzard
[03:19] <m0r0n> Nautilus displays a file of the audio cd, but when changing directory to /dev/cdrom in the terminal no file can be found. Do I also have to mount my cdrom manually?
[03:19] <nubbe> is there a way to access man thru firefox (like Konqueror)?
[03:19] <ekCo> ok delire, this time the installation went smooth
[03:19] <ekCo> but glxgears still puts out the same message etc..
[03:19] <ekCo> i deleted the other files
[03:20] <GNULinuxer> nubbe> frfx is not the default browser for gnome
[03:20] <zyth> ekCo, did you edit your xorg.conf to reflect the right driver?
[03:20] <ekCo> crash :?
[03:20] <thoreauputic> m0r0n: you don't mount audio CDs - they don't have a filesystem
[03:20] <thoreauputic> :)
[03:20] <ekCo> delire, anything i can now do?
[03:20] <GNULinuxer> thoreauputic> you should see the nick :)
[03:20] <zyth> thoreauputic, sure they do, CDFS ;)
[03:20] <delire> ekCo: copy /var/log/Xorg.0.log to a pastebin
[03:21] <GNULinuxer> zyth> they dont ... not even CDFS [which is a sickly windows term] 
[03:21] <m0r0n> I dont get it why I cant open the audio file with audacity
[03:21] <thoreauputic> zyth: well, you don't mount audio CDs is all I know :)
[03:21] <xabbu> which one of Blackbox or Fluxbox is the easiest to configure?
[03:21] <nubbe> GNULinuxer, I know, but it sure is Ubuntus
[03:21] <zyth> GNULinuxer, I was being sarcastic
[03:21] <ekCo> ok 1 sec
[03:21] <GNULinuxer> zyth> i see
[03:22] <m0r0n> What about cdda2wav?
[03:22] <zyth> hence the ;) :D
[03:22] <delire> m0r0n: what error do you get?
[03:22] <GNULinuxer> nubbe> well, that's the web browser ... konqueror is not just a web browser, it's nautilus+frfx+blah blah
[03:22] <GNULinuxer> m0r0n> what are you trying to do?
[03:22] <ekCo> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/162
[03:22] <ekCo> delire ^
[03:22] <delire> ok
[03:23] <m0r0n> I try to open that audiotrack with audacity, right click on that file in nautilus
[03:24] <amir__> I could not play MP3 files!!
[03:24] <m0r0n> Audacity will be started, but nothing is played
[03:24] <nubbe> GNULinuxer, I know that too, is there any obvious reason why u can't access local files and display them with firefox?
[03:24] <GNULinuxer> m0r0n> why audacity? you can play it in CD player, you can rip it using sound juicer
[03:24] <amir__> I have read all of FAQ about this, but no result!!
[03:24] <GNULinuxer> nubbe> yes. the reason is that Frfx is not a distro/os/desktop specific browser
[03:24] <goldfish_> amir__: is your sound working?
[03:25] <GNULinuxer> nubbe> it's a wed browser
[03:25] <zyth> obviously he hasn't read all the FAQs...
[03:25] <GNULinuxer> web
[03:25] <amir__> goldfish_, Test work fine
[03:25] <zyth> amir__, apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:25] <zyth> or apt-get install xmms
[03:25] <amir__> zyth, I have tried this
[03:26] <goldfish_> amir__: have u read wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[03:26] <goldfish_> ?
[03:26] <zyth> !restrictedformats
[03:26] <ubotu> zyth: Wish i knew
[03:26] <zyth> Oi
[03:26] <amir__> goldfish_, yeah!
[03:26] <thoreauputic> zyth: the key word is "restricted" ;)
[03:26] <ThE__OnE> okeanos, i downloaded a GTK 2.x Theme/Style, how do i go about installing this? i was given no info about applying in he readme, someone help
[03:26] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[03:26] <ubotu> restricted is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:26] <ThE__OnE> ok*
[03:27] <zyth> ahh
[03:27] <zyth> ok
[03:27] <ivanox> what is the name of that monkeyball gameclone for linux?
[03:27] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: in gnome you usually just drag it onto the themes dialog
[03:27] <zyth> there's a monkeyball clone for linux?
[03:27] <m0r0n> cdda2wav -B -D /dev/cdrom is my friend
[03:27] <ivanox> zyth, yeah
[03:27] <GNULinuxer> m0r0n> use sound jicer
[03:28] <GNULinuxer> juicer
[03:28] <ThE__OnE> it was a folder with files
[03:28] <m0r0n> ok
[03:28] <ThE__OnE> just drag the tar?
[03:28] <amir__> zyth, Rhythmbox had disabled the ability to select .mp3 files?!
[03:28] <ThE__OnE> tar.gz*
[03:28] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: yes, that usually is all you need to do
[03:28] <zyth> ivanox, lemme know if you find the name please
[03:28] <ThE__OnE> lol, ok
[03:28] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: else put it in ~/.themes
[03:29] <thoreauputic> I think - I'm in fluxbox...
[03:29] <Chadwill> !makefile
[03:29] <ubotu> Chadwill: I don't know
[03:29] <zyth> nice, I can slap my DVD window as 'on top', and chat and watch Van Helsing at the same time :)
[03:29] <delire> ekCo: sudo
[03:29] <Chadwill> !make
[03:29] <ubotu> Chadwill: I give up, what is it?
[03:29] <delire> ekCo: ok
[03:29] <ThE__OnE> do i have to save it after i drag it onto the theme dialog?
[03:29] <thoreauputic> Chadwill: the bot is still learning ;)
[03:29] <delire> ekCo: when you run the nvidia installer script, do you get any errors? is there a log file we can look at?
[03:29] <zyth> ivanox, neverball
[03:29] <Chadwill> as me..lol
[03:30] <thoreauputic> Chadwill: just ask your question
[03:30] <Chadwill> Create a file, as root, called /usr/lib/transgaming_point2play/Point2PlayRC,
[03:30] <Chadwill> ..
[03:31] <thoreauputic> Chadwill: sudo touch /usr/lib/transgaming_point2play/Point2PlayRC
[03:31] <Chadwill> k
[03:31] <ThE__OnE> thoreauputic, do i have to save it after i drag it onto the theme dialog?
[03:31] <thoreauputic> Chadwill: but I know nothing about the install you are attempting
[03:31] <Seveas> Mez, approve me please ;)
[03:31] <m0r0n> GNULinuxer, sound juicer works
[03:31] <GNULinuxer> m0r0n> it should
[03:32] <ivanox> zyth, are u sure?
[03:32] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: you shpouldn't need to, no - look in the "details" tab to see what's there
[03:32] <zyth> ivanox, yep
[03:32] <Mez> already done seveas
[03:32] <GNULinuxer> m0r0n> you were taking a difficult approach
[03:32] <ivanox> how did u find it?
[03:32] <m0r0n> GNULinuxer, :-)
[03:32] <ThE__OnE> icon files and such
[03:32] <rommer> what  does it mean if the default text colour of a zip file is red in terminal
[03:33] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: right - if it installed correctly you should see some new stuff
[03:34] <ThE__OnE> i emant i dont have to save the tar.gz file after applying the theme right?
[03:34] <ThE__OnE> meant*
[03:35] <nubbe> GNULinuxer, try to type man:ls in firefox and see what happens, u could arhue that it stu
[03:36] <nubbe> GNULinuxer, still isn't firefox that does the work, but it doesn't quite look as impossible as u made it sound?
[03:37] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: no, it should be untarred into .themes, so you can trash it if you want to
[03:37] <GNULinuxer> nubbe> that's because yelp is bound to the man mime type ... nothing because of frfx
[03:38] <ThE__OnE> ok thx
[03:38] <hmrocha> Hello
[03:38] <hmrocha> When do you think breezy will be ready for a dist-upgrade?
[03:38] <chrissturm> 10.05
[03:38] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: I tend to keep tarballs in a dir called "tarballs" - they can be handy to have around in the future   ;)
[03:38] <Chadwill> argh.. how do i edit this Point2PlayRC-file now..
[03:39] <hmrocha> I'm using breezy already, but not all of it, only the programs I need, like mono 1.1.7 for example.
[03:39] <Chadwill> <--feels n00b
[03:39] <hmrocha> Great job, including mono in Ubuntu is great.
[03:39] <thoreauputic> Chadwill: it seems these game install things are usually pretty arcane - don't feel too bad
[03:40] <nubbe> GNULinuxer, yes, but if u knew this, why not just say so when I asked, I thought u meant that it was impossible to call man from firefox, be it thru yelp or not
[03:40] <Chadwill> is not that..i just dont know the cmd for opeming and edit the file i just made..ive been using suse before..heh
[03:40] <GNULinuxer> nubbe> well, i didn't know that frfx can load up yelp
[03:41] <nubbe> GNULinuxer, oki
[03:42] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: it gives a security warning about external apps, but it loads OK if you tick the box
[03:42] <chrissturm> someone recommend a nice diff app
[03:43] <Chadwill> !edit
[03:43] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, Chadwill
[03:43] <GNULinuxer> thoreauputic> which one?
[03:43] <nubbe> firefox->yelp
[03:44] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: oh - man:whatever in ff
[03:44] <thoreauputic> yeah, loads yelp by default
[03:44] <GNULinuxer> thoreauputic> ya
[03:45] <thoreauputic> Chadwill: gedit <youfilehere> or  "gksudo gedit " if it needs root powers
[03:45] <LordsStar2> Buenas
[03:45] <Chadwill> yay..ty
[03:46] <LordsStar2> Some Peaple Speak Spanish here ?>
[03:46] <zenrox> LordsStar2,  ya in #ubuntu-es ???
[03:46] <thoreauputic> LordsStar2: /join #ubuntu-es
[03:46] <LordsStar2> thanks
[03:46] <zenrox> n/p
[03:49] <sputnik> Hi guys, i need some help getting my canon fb330p scanner working with ubuntu. xsane says no devices available...
[03:49] <sknroiws_> Hello
[03:50] <sknroiws_> How do I find out my root password?
[03:50] <thoreauputic> sknroiws: you don't need one - you use your own with sudo :)
[03:50] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[03:50] <ubotu> I heard rootsudo is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:51] <thoreauputic> sknroiws: ^^^
[03:51] <goldfish_> use john to crack it !!!!
[03:51] <sknroiws_> Does cedega work with ubuntu
[03:51] <zyth> sknroiws, yes
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[03:51] <rommer> !restrictedformats
[03:51] <ubotu> rommer: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:51] <Kyral> yes
[03:51] <Kyral> very much so :D
[03:51] <rommer> !gay
[03:51] <ubotu> rommer: I give up, what is it?
[03:51] <zyth> !restricted
[03:51] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[03:51] <thoreauputic> !restricted
[03:52] <zyth> thoreauputic, I learned! ;)
[03:52] <sknroiws_> What is debian?
[03:52] <thoreauputic> zyth: hehe - the bot just /msg ed me that you said it - funny
[03:52] <zyth> en.wikipedia.org/Debian
[03:52] <zyth> ?
[03:52] <ravent> join Helden
[03:52] <zyth> thoreauputic, lol
[03:53] <sknroiws_> For ubuntu do i get the rpms or the .debs?
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> debs
[03:53] <sknroiws_> How do I run those?
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> sknrois_, Ubuntu is Debian based
[03:53] <thoreauputic> sknroiws: methinks you should read the FAQ
[03:53] <Seveas> sknroiws_, get debs from the repositories
[03:53] <Kyral> sudo dpkg -i <debname>
[03:53] <sknroiws_> Alriht
[03:53] <thoreauputic> !faq
[03:53] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, faq is Frequently Asked Questions you can check it out from here ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[03:53] <Seveas> not just random debs from the internet
[03:54] <Kyral> Cedega isn't in the repos :P
[03:54] <Seveas> hehe
[03:54] <sputnik> Cedega isnt free
[03:55] <sknroiws_> I bought cedega awhile ago
[03:56] <olaff> Failed to run /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator: Unable to copy the user`s Xauthorization file.      does somebody know what do i have to do now to fix this error?
[03:56] <Seveas> olaff, rm ~/.Xauthority and logout and login
[03:56] <olaff> thanks Seveas
[03:57] <thoreauputic> olaff: and don't run stuff as root ;)
[03:57] <Seveas> indeed
[03:57] <ubuntu_> somebody can tellme how can i format this device: /dev/hda1 ??????????????
[03:57] <Seveas> ubuntu_, you can use mkfs
[03:57] <Kyral> fdisk?
[03:57] <thoreauputic> ubuntu_: one ? would suffice *grin*
[03:57] <Kyral> or mkfs :D
[03:58] <sputnik> Hi guys, i need some help getting my canon fb330p scanner working with ubuntu. xsane says no devices available...
[03:58] <ubuntu_> if i use fdisk, and then try to create this partition again, i find every infected MS Windows file in this partition again...il try wit mkfs
[04:00] <chrissturm> cool, thunderbird has a rss reader built in
[04:01] <cazabam> sputnik: that's a parallel port scanner, yes?
[04:01] <_ubuntu> I'm on te kubuntu live cd right now and I am not liking it too much, besides the lack of audio trouble
[04:01] <sputnik> yes
[04:02] <sknroiws_> What does IA32 mean?
[04:02] <ThE__OnE> in folders, how can i make it display where it is compared to the Computer on the top like windows?
[04:02] <thoreauputic> _ubuntu: if you don't like it, choose another distro: it's all linux after all
[04:03] <shorty_> IA32 == x86
[04:03] <_ubuntu> Yes I use ubuntu, I am just trying out kde to see what the hype is about
[04:03] <shorty_> realistically
[04:03] <jnoreiko> ThE__OnE, click the widget in the bottom left of the window
[04:03] <m0r0n> What command is used to eject a cdrom? I clicked on the cd desktop symbol for ejecting, but an error occur: unable to eject invalid arguments? The symbol is missing now
[04:03] <ubuntu_> can I install ubuntu from the ubuntu live cd????
[04:03] <sknroiws_> So If I install the IA32 graphics card drivers I should be fine
[04:03] <shorty_> uh, gnome is much nicer..
[04:03] <sknroiws_> Even though I have an AMD
[04:03] <shorty_> yep
[04:03] <sknroiws_> Alright.
[04:04] <thoreauputic> m0r0n: the command is "eject" funnily enough ;-)
[04:04] <m0r0n> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[04:04] <cazabam> sputnik: sorry, doing 2 things at once... apparently it is fully supported
[04:04] <_ubuntu> ubuntu_ no you can't, you must dowload the install cd
[04:05] <sputnik> ok, do i need to do anything to configure it or something?
[04:05] <ThE__OnE> jnoreiko, the reason i asked that is so that i can copy and plaste where the file is located fast
[04:05] <ubuntu_> ok thanks....
[04:05] <jnoreiko> ah
[04:05] <thoreauputic> m0r0n: if your CD is /dev/hdc, try "eject /dev/hdc"
[04:05] <cazabam> sputnik: from the command line, do this: sudo scanimage -L
[04:05] <jnoreiko> in that case, ThE__OnE, drag the folder onto a terminal window
[04:05] <jnoreiko> it'll put the full path into the command line
[04:05] <cazabam> sputnik: theoretically, no...
[04:05] <ThE__OnE> ahh ok
[04:05] <m0r0n> eject /dev/cdrom -> eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument
[04:06] <anto9us> is there a minimum specification list for hoary somewhere?
[04:06] <ubuntu_> my last question: some of you know if j2sdk works all right in the installed version of ubuntu?
[04:06] <sputnik> it says:No scanners were identified. If you were expecting something different...
[04:06] <mbirkis> what happens if i delete the no_ubuntu_spatial key from gconf-editor?
[04:06] <mbirkis> will i get regular spatial then?
[04:06] <jnoreiko> delete it??
[04:06] <thoreauputic> m0r0n: OK do this first:  ` sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/eject ` then try again
[04:06] <jnoreiko> just set it to true to get regular spatial
[04:06] <mbirkis> jnoreiko: it doesn't work :(
[04:07] <Lassen> Linux has a comunication utility like hyperterminal of windows??  I need to use the com1 to talk with a unit....
[04:08] <m0r0n> thoreauputic, I got the same error message, but the cdrom has been ejected :-)
[04:08] <mbirkis> anyone know if there is any issues with the no_ubuntu_spatial and the amd64 version of ubuntu?
[04:08] <thoreauputic> m0r0n: right - i've seen this error here: i think it's a bug
[04:09] <m0r0n> thoreauputic, thanks
[04:09] <thoreauputic> m0r0n: the chmod +s makes it setuid root, which is a minor security issue
[04:10] <m0r0n> aha
[04:10] <goldfish_> indeed
[04:10] <cazabam> sputnik: just wondered if it was a permissions problem on the parallel port
[04:10] <sknroiws_> Where is the x server config file/
[04:11] <thoreauputic> m0r0n: don't go around setting setuid root all over the place, please :)
[04:11] <sputnik> how would i check?
[04:11] <cazabam> sputnik: try it again, this time doing: sudo scanimage -L -v
[04:11] <goldfish_>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:11] <goldfish_> ?
[04:11] <cazabam> sputnik: that'll be more verbose
[04:11] <sputnik> same error..
[04:11] <cazabam> nothing extra?
[04:11] <cazabam> check in /var/log/messages
[04:11] <mbirkis> how can i get the spatial mode to act normal when checking the no_ubuntu_spatial in gconf don't work?
[04:12] <da_bon_bon> hi all
[04:13] <da_bon_bon> havent recd. my ubuntu cds ? should i mail someone ?
[04:13] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: I haven't either - I guess patience is required
[04:14] <thoreauputic> people are still getting them...
[04:14] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: man,.. ppl have recd
[04:14] <da_bon_bon> :(
[04:14] <da_bon_bon> oik
[04:14] <thoreauputic> da_bon_bon: well, we can't really complain can we ? I mean it costs nothing
[04:15] <da_bon_bon> thoreauputic: ya.. it would look bad :D
[04:15] <thoreauputic> indeed :)
[04:16] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: re: spatial - did you try logging out and in again?
[04:16] <sputnik> cazabam: that file is really long, is there a plce where i should be looking?
[04:16] <laxise> hi ... everybody
[04:16] <laxise> does anyone know where to find a howto about bash scripting???
[04:16] <sknroiws_> How do I turn off the x server?
[04:17] <sknroiws_> And keep it off
[04:17] <mbirkis> thoreauputic: yes i did... even rebooted
[04:17] <goldfish_> sknroiws_: delete it?
[04:17] <sknroiws_> no
[04:17] <zeedo> laxise: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclient&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=bash+howto
[04:17] <sknroiws_> Just turn it off to install video drivers
[04:17] <goldfish_> oh ok
[04:17] <zeedo> first link is to tldp.org which is a fine start
[04:17] <laxise> zeedo: thx
[04:18] <kikkoman> I just recently install kubuntu-desktop, Now im getting a k display manager error :(
[04:18] <sknroiws_> !faq
[04:18] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, faq is Frequently Asked Questions you can check it out from here ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[04:18] <thoreauputic> laxise: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsysm/article.php/10954_3309611_1
[04:18] <jnoreiko> except that wiki page is out of date :(
[04:18] <laxise> zeedo: i already found that .....
[04:18] <jnoreiko> eg the applications:/// url doesn't work in nautilus any more AFAIK
[04:18] <thoreauputic> jnoreiko: true
[04:19] <zeedo> laxise: great, its what you need, if not the 3rd link is even better
[04:19] <djg> Hi, I'm trying to write a shell script setuid root, but it doesn't seem to working as I would expect.
[04:19] <cazabam> sputnik: right at the end - it is written to in real time so the latest stuff is at the bottom
[04:19] <cazabam> sputnik: open a terminal and type: sudo tail -f /var/log/messages
[04:19] <geko> hi guys!
[04:20] <cazabam> sputnik: then in another terminal run sudo scanimage -L -v
[04:20] <geko> is there a way to ceck thunderbird mail on tray icon?
[04:20] <jnoreiko> what's the new equivalent of applications:///  anyway?
[04:20] <djg> The script currently tries reads a file which is readable only by root but is denied access.
[04:20] <Riddell> kikkoman: what's the error?
[04:21] <djg> Despite being setuid root.
[04:21] <laxise> zeedo: ok ... i tried to find something better but that should be enough ...... really enough ..... just thought that there could be a could book in data-form
[04:21] <sknroiws_> So how can I turn off the x server for a few mins while I install nvidia drivers?
[04:21] <thoreauputic> jnoreiko: there isn't one (gnome bug) google "ubuntu smeg" fro a menu editor
[04:21] <laxise> zeedo: cut out the second could
[04:21] <djg> sknroiws_: sudo /etc/init.d/xorg-common stop?
[04:21] <chrissturm> sknroiws: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[04:21] <zeedo> laxise: the advanced bash guide 3rd link down covers pretty much everything
[04:22] <jnoreiko> yeah, I got smeg. it sort of broke my apps menu
[04:22] <sknroiws_> :| Which one?
[04:22] <zukalk> why not init 1 ?
[04:22] <thoreauputic> laxise: another linux manual >> http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
[04:22] <laxise> zeedo: ok ... thx
[04:22] <jnoreiko> is the loss of applications:/// definitely a bug, not a feature?
[04:22] <djg> sknroiws_ Follow chrissturms.  Mine was a guess.
[04:22] <sputnik> cazabam: nothing changes...
[04:22] <laxise> thoreauputic: thx to u too
[04:22] <ThE__OnE> how do i update the version number on firefox again?
[04:22] <thoreauputic> jnoreiko: I think the new freedesktop standards are in flux ATM
[04:22] <laxise> but it should be enough for now :)
[04:23] <Seveas> ThE__OnE: Open firefox and in about:config set general.useragent.vendorSub to 1.0.4
[04:23] <cazabam> sputnik: hmmm... - here's a thought... does /dev/lp0 exist?
[04:23] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: about:config - search for subVendor and edit the string to 1.0.4
[04:23] <djg> Anyone have any ideas why a script setuid root can't read a file readable only by root?
[04:23] <Seveas> scripts can't be setuid root
[04:24] <Seveas> scripts can't be setuid at all
[04:24] <djg> What can be then?
[04:24] <Seveas> ordinary programs can be
[04:24] <djg> Binaries?
[04:24] <sputnik> cazabam: how do i check?
[04:24] <Seveas> djg, yes
[04:24] <Seveas> sputnik, ls -al /dev/lp0
[04:25] <djg> Does it check for a #! ?
[04:25] <Seveas> sort of
[04:25] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: sorry that should be vendorSub
[04:25] <sputnik> it says: crw-rw----  1 root lp 6, 0 2005-06-18 23:10 /dev/lp0
[04:25] <djg> What if I set bash setuid root?
[04:25] <Seveas> djg, DO NOT!!! do that
[04:25] <Seveas> that makes all shells rootshells...
[04:25] <djg> For arguments sake -- I'm tying to get an understanding.
[04:26] <djg> I wasn't going to do it. ;)
[04:26] <Seveas> but yeash, that oughta do it
[04:26] <djg> That makes sense.
[04:26] <Seveas> scripts can only be setuid script if their interpreter is
[04:26] <thoreauputic> djg: at the expense of sanity and security... *g*
[04:26] <djg> Sure
[04:26] <Seveas> perl has a special setuid version of the interpreter
[04:26] <djg> What about bash?
[04:26] <mbirkis> how do i get the mplayer to enlarge the video when i "drag it" bigger?
[04:27] <Seveas> fortunately not :)
[04:27] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: set the -zoom option
[04:27] <sknroiws_> Does anyone know how to install nvidia drivers :(
[04:27] <Seveas> imagine all the security risks...
[04:27] <djg> I'm trying to write a script to generate a set of apache configs and create a mysql database, but I only know scripting languages.
[04:27] <sknroiws_> I get errors about the kernel
[04:27] <Seveas> sknroiws: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:27] <Seveas> NEVER use drivers from nvidia.com
[04:27] <sknroiws_> Why?
[04:27] <Ahmet_S> hi
[04:27] <laxise> hey anyone heared about the blue hat thing ...
[04:27] <Seveas> they tend to be incompatible...
[04:28] <Ahmet_S> i was a debian user
[04:28] <sknroiws_> Where do I get the drivers then? Will that site tell me?
[04:28] <djg> Seveas: So I'd have to write it in C then?
[04:28] <cazabam> sputnik: ok ... this is getting complex now - all the usual problems seem to be OK - there should be nothing stopping it
[04:28] <cazabam> sputnik: all I can think is that the backend is not enabled
[04:28] <Ahmet_S> now i have a new machine and i must decide to install debian or ubuntu?what do u think?Do you think it worths trying ubuntu and why?(with reasons)
[04:28] <mbirkis> thoreauputic: i can't find the -zoom option... this is in the gui
[04:28] <Seveas> djg, or perl :)
[04:28] <cazabam> sputnik - look in /etc/sane.d/dll.conf and find the line for canon_pp
[04:29] <cazabam> sputnik, and see if that line is commented out - if it is, uncomment it and try scanimage -L again
[04:29] <jnoreiko> this is a stupid question... do ALL new AMD CPUs need the amd64 version of ubuntu?
[04:29] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: it's buried in a config file... I forget which - I use xine now
[04:29] <djg> Seveas: I'm really going out on a limb here, but is there a way to compile bash scripts? :)
[04:29] <Seveas> Ahmet_S, it's worth trying Ubuntu, it has a very sane set of defaults to make easy installing possible
[04:29] <thoreauputic> djg: you don't compile scripts
[04:29] <Seveas> Ahmet_S, and don't forget: newer versions of gnome/kde :)
[04:30] <djg> thoreauputic: I'm clutching at straws here.
[04:30] <mbirkis> thoreauputic: ok... will look
[04:30] <Seveas> djg, scripts are interpreted, not compiled
[04:30] <djg> The last thing I want to do is learn C or Perl just for a simple job.
[04:30] <jnoreiko> but perl is lovely! :)
[04:30] <Seveas> perl is creepy
[04:31] <jnoreiko> lol.
[04:31] <djg> Yet not possible to learn well enough in a single afternoon, I imagine.
[04:31] <jnoreiko> it takes some getting used to. but there's no going back once you've got it
[04:31] <MagicFab> Hi there
[04:31] <sknroiws_> Much better :)
[04:31] <djg> Where single afternoon is, erm, 2 hours.
[04:31] <mbirkis> thoreauputic: i found a empty config file...
[04:31] <sputnik> cazabam: ok, i uncommented the line but i got the same error but this time it took longer to come up.
[04:31] <Seveas> jnoreiko, re-educate yourself: aptitude install diveintopython
[04:31] <sknroiws_> From 150FPS to 12333FPS
[04:31] <mbirkis> thoreauputic: can i put something there?
[04:31] <Seveas> :)
[04:31] <MagicFab> I looking for Ubuntu logos to print some labels for CDs
[04:31] <cazabam> sputnik: that's good - it means it's at least looking
[04:31] <jnoreiko> yeah, I may try python someday
[04:31] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: hang on a sec
[04:31] <Ahmet_S> so ok then but i liked debian also with his package archive and newness i was using debian sid. i am using at home and want newest packages. is ubuntu new like sid version or like testing version
[04:31] <djg> I like python.  No setuid for that either, I guess.
[04:31] <MagicFab> Is there any place I can get some good U's art ?
[04:31] <cazabam> sputnik: did you run it with /var/log/messages in another terminal and the -v option? if so, were there any errors or messages
[04:32] <Seveas> Ahmet_S, Ubuntu is based on Sid
[04:32] <Ahmet_S> ok
[04:32] <Seveas> djg, indeed
[04:32] <Seveas> but there are quite simple setuid wrappers for python
[04:32] <Ahmet_S> what does it have for packages
[04:32] <Ahmet_S> synaptic?
[04:32] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: I think i's /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[04:32] <mbirkis> thoreauputic: ok will check
[04:32] <Seveas> Ahmet_S, synaptic/aptitude/apt-get/kynaptic/kdacakagemanager/...
[04:33] <sputnik> cazabam: just did it now and nothing came up
[04:33] <Seveas> that last one is kpackagemanager
[04:33] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: it is - you set zoom=yes
[04:33] <mbirkis> thoreauputic: thnx alot :)
[04:33] <thoreauputic> mbirkis: np
[04:33] <Ahmet_S> Seveas: does it have all the packages in sid
[04:33] <Seveas> Ahmet_S, yes
[04:34] <thoreauputic> Ahmet_S: if you enable all repos there are 16 000 packages or so
[04:34] <djg> Guess I'm going to have to learn C then *sighs*
[04:34] <Seveas> djg, hang on :)
[04:35] <djg> Seveas, thoreauputic: Thanks for your help and suggestions.
[04:35] <thoreauputic> djg: no worries
[04:35] <Ahmet_S> thoreauputic: is nvidia driver+ cedega included
[04:35] <thoreauputic> cedega is a commercial app
[04:36] <djg> I tried picking it up before, but it's just so.. demanding
[04:36] <mbirkis> Ahmet_S: nvidia is included
[04:36] <sputnik> cazaba: i unpluged and plugged in the scanner, now when i do: sudo scanimage -L -v, it says:device `canon_pp:parport0' is a CANON FB330P flatbed scanner
[04:36] <djg> Seveas: Python can be compiled, can't it?
[04:36] <thoreauputic> djg: can't you run your script as root?
[04:36] <Seveas> djg, i can send you a ready-to-use python (or even shell if you want) wraper
[04:36] <kikkoman> how do I enable sound for the flash player?
[04:37] <djg> thoreauputic: It's going to be run from a web server.
[04:37] <thoreauputic> djg: I see
[04:37] <djg> thoreauputic: As the web-user.
[04:37] <thoreauputic> right
[04:37] <Ahmet_S> is ubuntu using debian installer
[04:37] <djg> Seveas: And I just compile that?
[04:37] <thoreauputic> Ahmet_S: yes, it's the sarge installer basically
[04:37] <cazabam> sputnik: that's cool - in that case, does xsane recognise it? if not we're at a permissions issue
[04:38] <Ahmet_S> thoreauputic:then whats the difference with debian?
[04:38] <Seveas> djg, http://kaarsemaker.net/~dennis/python-setuid.c
[04:38] <sputnik> cazabam: no xsane says no devices available
[04:38] <cazabam> sputnik: ok, at the console, type : groups
[04:38] <Seveas> Ahmet_S: Ubuntu and debian have different goals, a different release schedule and different, but overlapping communities. See also http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship
[04:38] <cazabam> sputnik: see if lp is in the list
[04:38] <thoreauputic> Ahmet_S: 6 month release cycle, nice tweaks, up to date (unless yourun sid)
[04:39] <djg> Seveas: Thank you so much.
[04:39] <sputnik> cazabam: it only says root
[04:39] <cazabam> sputnik: if not, use the users/groups admin tool to add yourself to the lp group
[04:39] <cazabam> sputnik: don't use sudo for groups, just run it as yourself
[04:40] <sputnik> cazabam: ok lp isnt there
[04:41] <sknroiws_> How do you override a readonly file?
[04:42] <squinn> question about breezy [hah] 
[04:42] <squinn> i need it for developmental purposes
[04:42] <squinn> but more in general
[04:42] <squinn> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs-data_6.8.2-32_all.deb:  trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb', which is also in package libx11-6
[04:42] <sputnik> cazabam: ok i added myself to the lp group but xsane still doesnt pickup the scanner
[04:42] <squinn> how could i resolve that?
[04:43] <refuze2looze> where does synaptic install the kernel source to?
[04:43] <djg> squinn: I'm just sitting that one out myself.
[04:43] <djg> refuze2looze: /usr/src/linux?
[04:43] <thoreauputic> refuze2looze: to see where a package's files are run dpkg -L <packagename>
[04:44] <Octane-work> can someone pelase recommend a good console torrent
[04:44] <refuze2looze> thanks
[04:44] <wangdl> .quit
[04:49] <b0ol> hey, someone in here, who got gta : san andreas working?
[04:49] <mbruemmer> hello how to rpm, i want to get ladspa for ppc my only source is http://rpmseek.com/rpm-pl/ladspa-devel.html?hl=de&cx=591:L:0
[04:50] <chrissturm> is beagle the only indexer for gnome? i once saw someone mention another one
[04:50] <b0ol> mbruemmer:  want it to .deb?`
[04:50] <sknroiws_> Is VLC compatible with ubuntu?
[04:51] <b0ol> yes
[04:51] <sknroiws_> How do I install it?
[04:51] <b0ol> erm
[04:51] <b0ol> open a terminal
[04:51] <b0ol> type 'sudo synaptic'
[04:51] <b0ol> enter password
[04:51] <b0ol> press ctrl + f
[04:51] <mbruemmer> bOol(ean):yes can you assist me?? or give me some useful advice (and sorry for my bad english i am german)
[04:51] <b0ol> enter vlc
[04:51] <b0ol> :)
[04:51] <thoreauputic> mbruemmer: you can convert rpm to deb with alien, but no guarantees it will work
[04:51] <b0ol> mbruemmer:  ich auch
[04:51] <b0ol> sudo alien .rpm
[04:51] <b0ol> dann generiert er eine .deb
[04:51] <cazabam> sputnik: you need to log out and back in to get the group change to work
[04:51] <b0ol> die installierste mit dpkg -i .deb
[04:51] <b0ol> :)
[04:52] <mbruemmer> ok kannst du mir bei der sache helfen?
[04:52] <b0ol> jow
[04:52] <b0ol> hab ich eigentlich schon :9
[04:52] <b0ol> geh ins verzeichnis in dem die .rpm liegt
[04:52] <b0ol> (via shell oder terminal oder bash)
[04:52] <b0ol> dann gibste ein : sudo alien *.rpm (je nach dem wie sie heit)
[04:52] <thoreauputic> guys, can you move it to #ubuntu-de please ?
[04:52] <b0ol> dann arbeitet der bisserl
[04:52] <b0ol> k
[04:52] <b0ol> mbruemmer:  --> #ubuntu-de
[04:52] <mbruemmer> warte ich muss runterziehen , war mir unsicher ob das klappt
[04:53] <b0ol> :)
[04:53] <b0ol> komm #ubuntu-de
[04:53] <mbruemmer> wie mach ich #ubuntu de mit dem irc - das ist neuland fr mich
[04:54] <b0ol> gib als text ein : /J #ubuntu-de
[04:54] <b0ol> :)
[04:54] <mbruemmer> habe xchat
[04:54] <b0ol> ich hab irssi :)
[04:54] <shawarma> Warum sprachen allen Deutsch?
[04:54] <b0ol> gib ein : /j #ubuntu-de
[04:54] <sknroiws_> Whats ARTS and ESD and how do I disable them?
[04:54] <b0ol> arts and esd are soundservers
[04:54] <b0ol> killall arts esd Oo
[04:54] <shawarma> sknroiws: Sound daemons. They mix several input streams into one.
[04:55] <mbruemmer> ok BOol kommst du mit??
[04:55] <donpablo> i will remove gnome and reinstall kde is it possible ?
[04:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone know the modules i need for apache to get it to print out the server stats? i think the things i got were based on php
[04:56] <b0ol> ich bin shcon drben
[04:56] <b0ol> drueben
[04:56] <b0ol> donpablo:  first install kde
[04:56] <b0ol> then uninstall gnome
[04:56] <b0ol> but uninstalling gnome means HIGH RISK
[04:56] <donpablo> ok
[04:57] <chrissturm> donpablo,  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:57] <Seveaz> b0ol, not really
[04:57] <Seveaz> just use debfoster to do it cleanly
[04:57] <Seveaz> donpablo, install kubuntu-desktop
[04:57] <Seveaz> and use debfoster to prune ubuntu-desktop
[04:57] <anto9us> b0ol: yes, a friend of mine caught chicken pox after uninstalling gnome
[04:58] <sjmurdoch> Is there some way to find out which packages have been installed from hoary-extras. Synaptic shows which repository packages are from, but I can't see how to use that to search or find it in apt or aptitude?
[04:58] <mbruemmer> ich auch
[04:58] <zukalk> anto9us, how's he now?
[04:58] <zukalk> :P
[04:59] <anto9us> zukalk: ok, it didn't ruffle his feathers too much
[04:59] <zukalk> anto9us, thank god
[04:59] <thoreauputic> sjmurdoch: apt-cache policy <packagename.
[04:59] <m0r0n> rm: cannot remove `audio_01.inf': Text file busy ??? There is no program using that file, hmm
[05:00] <Seveas> m0r0n, try lsof | grep audio_01.inf
[05:00] <Seveas> probably gam_server has it open :)
[05:01] <ThE__OnE> how so i add a custom login screen?
[05:01] <Octane-work> whats a good shell bittorrent client
[05:01] <ThE__OnE> do*
[05:01] <m0r0n> Seveas, there is no output
[05:02] <Seveas> m0r0n, retry remoing it then
[05:02] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, you mean a GDM theme..?
[05:02] <m0r0n> still busy
[05:02] <ThE__OnE> yes
[05:02] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, read art.gnome.org/faq.php
[05:03] <ThE__OnE> ok
[05:03] <sknroiws_> When I try to install vlc it says it depends on other files
[05:03] <sknroiws_> How do i install the other files
[05:03] <Seveas> sknroiws_, use apt-get...
[05:04] <Seveas> or aptitude
[05:04] <sknroiws_> For each one?
[05:04] <Seveas> but do NOT manually dpkg -i
[05:04] <sknroiws_> Okay
[05:04] <Seveas> just do sudo aptitude install vlc
[05:04] <sknroiws_> Ill try that
[05:05] <Seveas> sknroiws_, and if that does not work, enable universe & multiverse
[05:05] <sknroiws_> How would I do that
[05:05] <Seveas> sknroiws_: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:05] <Seveas> sknroiws_: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[05:06] <Fragle> good afternoon all
[05:06] <sjmurdoch> thoreauputic: Ah, thanks
[05:08] <sknroiws_> How do I exit out of nano :O
[05:08] <Fragle> i am a total noob on linux and i was trying to get ubuntu to work in my office computer. the thing is: our ips are delievered by DHCP but i cant get ubuntu to recognize the dhcp service. it just freezes when i choose dhcp in the network settings box... can anyone help me?
[05:08] <manson> moin
[05:08] <thoreauputic> sjmurdoch: more generally, first step when searching for packages is usually apt-cache search <keywords>
[05:08] <manson> anybody german
[05:09] <thoreauputic> sknroiws: ctrl+X
[05:09] <chrissturm> manson: /join #ubuntu-de
[05:09] <rmilun> i have only one question:can someone give me packages needed for lucent LT win modem?
[05:09] <sknroiws_> :/
[05:09] <sknroiws_> What ever happened to the shift zz
[05:09] <thoreauputic> sknroiws: the key bindings are displayed at the bottom of the screen
[05:10] <sknroiws_> Yeah but they are confusing
[05:10] <sknroiws_> They say ^x
[05:10] <rmilun> anyone?
[05:10] <sknroiws_> How am i suppose to know ^ is ctrl
[05:10] <thoreauputic> sknroiws: the convention is that ^ means "control key"
[05:10] <sknroiws_> Well
[05:10] <sknroiws_> I know that now
[05:10] <sknroiws_> :)
[05:11] <thoreauputic> :)
[05:11] <thoreauputic> it isn't obvious, I agree :)
[05:11] <spiderworm> anybody here use screem?
[05:11] <rmilun> anyone that can do that for me?those are 2 modules,i think...or something like that...so again,drivers for lucent LT modem needed...
[05:12] <thoreauputic> rmilun: AFAIK the lucent drivers are included now - have you tried "sudo modprobe ltmodem " or whatever?
[05:13] <rmilun> no :(
[05:13] <rmilun> didnt know that...will try :)
[05:13] <rmilun> i tried with lsmod....they didnt appear...i expected them to be active :/
[05:13] <thoreauputic> rmilun: if you have a moment I'll see if I can find the names - I used to use an ltmodem
[05:14] <rmilun> k,i have some time,thanks
[05:14] <sknroiws_> Great :) VLC works
[05:15] <Fragle> can anyone help with my dhcp prob?:S
[05:15] <Seveas> Fragle, no
[05:15] <thoreauputic> rmilun: looks like they are called lt_modem and lt_serial
[05:15] <Seveas> you didn't tell us the problem :)
[05:15] <Fragle> thanks anyway seveas ;)
[05:15] <Fragle> i did i did ;)
[05:15] <Fragle> i am a total noob on linux and i was trying to get ubuntu to work in my office computer. the thing is: our ips are delievered by DHCP but i cant get ubuntu to recognize the dhcp service. it just freezes when i choose dhcp in the network settings box... can anyone help me?
[05:15] <Seveas> hmm
[05:15] <Fragle> and a new paste does the trick ;)
[05:15] <Seveas> i must have missed that the irst time :)
[05:15] <rmilun> thoreauputic,so i have to modprobe both of them?
[05:16] <Seveas> what exactly freezes? the complete pc?
[05:16] <thoreauputic> rmilun:try it - if you get no errors we move on to step 2
[05:16] <rmilun> which is...?
[05:16] <thoreauputic> rmilun: sudo modprobe, of course...
[05:16] <Fragle> nope. it just sits there waiting to start the eth0
[05:16] <rmilun> k,off to try
[05:16] <Fragle> it doesnt actually freeze the machine, just that box
[05:16] <thoreauputic> rmilun: well, they should then go in /etc/modules I guess
[05:17] <Seveas> Fragle, can you please paste the contents of the file /etc/network/interfaces on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[05:17] <rmilun> so i should first modeprobe lt_modem and lt_serial
[05:17] <rmilun> ?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> rmilun: yes - see what happens
[05:17] <greg72> has anybody here tried to compile dbus-1  on an ubuntu hoary box?
[05:17] <thoreauputic> rmilun: you never know your luck ;)
[05:17] <Fragle> not from here seveas, im using a windows box now. ill get it and then ill post it here then
[05:17] <rmilun> k,off now,thanks for your help ;)
[05:17] <Fragle> thanks a lot
[05:18] <Octane-work> whats a good shell bittorrent client
[05:18] <Seveas> btdownload-manycurses
[05:19] <Seveas> btdownloadcurses even :)
[05:20] <jamey3> I want to install lighttpd on Ubuntu. Can anyone help?
[05:20] <sknroiws_> Know of any good bit torrent clients?
[05:21] <jamey3> sknroiws, have you tried the included one in Ubuntu?
[05:21] <sknroiws_> I have not
[05:21] <sknroiws_> Didnt know one was included
[05:21] <sknroiws_> :o
[05:22] <jamey3> lol
[05:22] <jamey3> it's called GNOME BitTorrent
[05:22] <jamey3> located in Apps -> Internet
[05:23] <scott> sknroiws_: I like running screen and then running btdownloadcurses, which is included also
[05:23] <sniker> hi, i'm unable to play midi files... the error message is "unable to open /dev/sequencer" what can i do?
[05:23] <Invisible_Magi> hmmm
[05:24] <Invisible_Magi> I install ubuntu, but during the install it did not ask me for root passwd, now I am trying to 'su' but I don't know the passwd
[05:24] <geko> guys i use ubuntu on my laptop
[05:24] <jamey3> Invisible_Magi, the root account is disabled by default
[05:24] <geko> wich is connected to interent via lan
[05:24] <geko> with a gentoo box
[05:24] <geko> from here i can't send file
[05:24] <Invisible_Magi> huh?
[05:25] <geko> via xchat or p2p software
[05:25] <jamey3> Invisible_Magi, you have to type "sudo passwd root" (no quotes) to set a root password
[05:25] <geko> the router is done by a pc
[05:25] <Invisible_Magi> ohhhhh
[05:25] <geko> i can't send file with xchat
[05:25] <jamey3> Invisible_Magi, np lol
[05:26] <nubbe> Invisible_Magi, look at sudo before getting a root acct
[05:26] <thoreauputic> sniker: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo  << some starters here
[05:27] <sniker> thoreauputic: thanx, i'll try to look there...
[05:27] <Invisible_Magi> and you are sending me what?
[05:27] <thoreauputic> sniker: if you just want to play midis , timidity is easier than softsynth etc but you need either a sound font or "freepats" package ( i suggest freepats for timidity)
[05:28] <thoreauputic> sniker: also note well the instructions on loading kernel modules
[05:28] <Invisible_Magi> jamey3: thx
[05:28] <Danar> anyone know a linux app that can defrag a fat32 file system?
[05:29] <myosotis_> hey there.. any one knows how to install a quickcam messenger ??
[05:29] <Invisible_Magi> geko: have you configured the ports inside Xchat to match the ports you opened inside the router?\
[05:29] <sniker> thoreauputic: ok, thanx again... i try now... :-)
[05:29] <thoreauputic> Danar: there is a utility called "defrag" - but what its capabilities are I don't know, as I've never needed it...
[05:30] <Danar> thoreauputic, it defrags ext2, IIRC
[05:31] <laxise> Danar: i heared about a util called 0$0 Defrag
[05:31] <mhz> join #balaguer
[05:31] <mhz> ups
[05:31] <mhz> xD
[05:31] <mhz> hi
[05:31] <mhz> i need help
[05:31] <thoreauputic> Danar: ah - you may be right - as I say I've never needed to defrag so...
[05:31] <holycow> defrag?
[05:31] <holycow> lol
[05:31] <holycow> i've not heard of that being an issue on any linux fs
[05:31] <holycow> is it an issue on ext2?
[05:31] <thoreauputic> holycow:  exactly
[05:31] <mhz> hi
[05:31] <holycow> no one uses that anyway
[05:32] <Danar> defrag: "ext2, minix and xiafs filesystem defragmenter"
[05:32] <thoreauputic> holycow: I doubt it's an issue on ext2 either
[05:32] <holycow> all journaling file systems automatically arrange data so they don't need defragging
[05:32] <Danar> holycow, i never said anything about defragging a linux fs
[05:32] <holycow> thoreauputic, i think so too but i've never used it
[05:32] <Danar> holycow, oh, i see you just joined
[05:32] <thoreauputic> holycow: he wants to defrag fat32
[05:32] <Danar> "Danar anyone know a linux app that can defrag a fat32 file system?"
[05:32] <holycow> just chatting, not criticizing :0
[05:32] <holycow> :)
[05:32] <mhz> i have a 56k  connection, i've used arch and mandrake, but in ubuntu my speed is extremly slowly, i have change valors 38200 to 56000 but isn't run faster
[05:33] <holycow> thoreauputic, oh from linux? *erm* interesting question indeed :)
[05:33] <thoreauputic> mhz: I bet you used the gui ppp configurator - am i right?
[05:33] <mhz> yeah i used
[05:34] <thoreauputic> mhz: I strongly suggest you run ` sudo pppconfig` in a terminal,, and use pon and poff
[05:34] <Danar> laxise, any idea where to find this utility?
[05:34] <mhz> wha'ts wrong with my modem?? i forgot some configuration? :S
[05:34] <mhz> ok thx
[05:34] <mhz> i'll try it
[05:34] <Ganny> is it possible to download the multiverse onto a few dvds, like a jigdo or something? my isp has a mirror so the bandwidth won't be a problem while i've still got a connection
[05:34] <thoreauputic> mhz: I had very slow connections from the default gui stuff
[05:34] <thoreauputic> mhz: I suspect your modem is fine
[05:35] <mhz> thx for all !
[05:35] <mhz> before leaving, i must say that ubuntu is fantastic, free and fantastic :D, i've installed in my friend's house and there weren't any problems with dchp thx thoreaauputic
[05:36] <holycow> mhz good to hear
[05:36] <Ganny> mhz: i would like you to have my baby
[05:36] <Danar> mhz, hint: try tab completion
[05:36] <thoreauputic> mhz: you're welcome :)
[05:36] <not> hello
[05:36] <Danar> mhz, you can type the first few chars of a nick, and hit tab to autocomplete
[05:36] <not> i just run live cd of ubnutu
[05:36] <not> it is great cuz it work without my have to make problem or configure anything, just works
[05:37] <not> but there is no XMMS and no AmaroK
[05:37] <Danar> not, you can install them though
[05:37] <not> no mpg123, no mpg321
[05:37] <Danar> not, even on the livecd
[05:37] <not> how do i mount disk?
[05:37] <ludde`> i have some trubble, the install is freezing when it should config apt. it comes to ~25% then its freezes :<
[05:37] <Danar> not, either in synaptic, or by running 'apt-get install xmms'
[05:37] <not> it says i must specify filesystem, but when i use slackware i dont
[05:38] <Danar> not, 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1'. make sure to create the /mnt/hda1 dir first
[05:38] <not> ok
[05:38] <Ganny> so theirs no way to download the complete multiverse packages to a dvd without manually doing it?
[05:39] <Danar> Ganny, might be able to scrip tit
[05:39] <squinn> breaking news
[05:39] <Danar> heh..
[05:39] <Danar> *script it
[05:39] <not> i can mount hda1, but why not hda2?
[05:39] <squinn> i have run breezy without a SIGNIFICANT problem for 10 whole minutes
[05:39] <Danar> not, did you create a dir for hda2?
[05:39] <pestilence> Ganny: wget -m won't work?
[05:39] <not> yes
[05:39] <thoreauputic> squinn: wow ! *grin*
[05:39] <Danar> not, then what's the error?
[05:39] <sniker> thoreauputic: it doesn't work again...
[05:39] <not> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[05:39] <Danar> not, 'mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/hda2'
[05:40] <squinn> this package that was giving me problems installing is good that it did
[05:40] <Danar> not, you typed that^ ?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> not: mount -t ext3 blah blah
[05:40] <squinn> i locked it in its hoary position and its supposedly really a troublemaker in breezy
[05:40] <not> yes, i did, but dont work
[05:40] <Danar> not, what's the file system?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> sniker: sorry, refresh my memory...
[05:40] <not> same as hda1, fat32
[05:40] <roob> This is beautiful.. Ubuntu. I always wanted linux. Last time I tried was 5 years ago. Alot has happened since then --- wheeeew sweet. Sorry for noise :)
[05:40] <sniker> thoreauputic: ok... :-)
[05:40] <Danar> not, strange. run 'fsck /dev/hda2'
[05:41] <not> why?
[05:41] <Danar> not, might have errors
[05:41] <thoreauputic> sniker: midi, right?
[05:41] <not> ok
[05:41] <Ganny> pest: but then it gets all the 386 and powerpc stuff sir
[05:41] <sniker> thoreauputic: yes...
[05:41] <pestilence> Ganny: so read the man page and figure out how to exclude those :)
[05:41] <not> fsck.ext2: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/hda2
[05:41] <pestilence> it's not that hard.
[05:41] <not> Could this be a zero-length partition?
[05:41] <thoreauputic> sniker: you have to work at tit a bit - you need the modprobes, the packages and so on
[05:41] <not> man now im getting worried
[05:41] <Danar> not, that's why. there's a problem with your disk/fs
[05:41] <roob> I need to edit a file, but that file is read only for my current user. And since Ubuntu has root disabled by default, how should I best edit that file?
[05:42] <not> ubuntu havent deleted all my mp3 and porn has it?
[05:42] <selinium> hi all, quick question.... Amule or Xmule?
[05:42] <Danar> not, lol, no
[05:42] <Ganny> pest: hehe roger wilco sir :) anyone have any idea how big the multiverse is?
[05:42] <mjr> roob, sudo gedit file
[05:42] <not> ok
[05:42] <roob> mjr: thanks :)
[05:42] <thoreauputic> sniker: unfortunately midi on linux is not .. trivial unless you are lucky and have a sound blaster card or similar
[05:42] <Danar> not, it's just saying it couldn't read it. might be a bad sector
[05:42] <selinium> Hi thoreauputic:
[05:42] <not> but windows xp can read it 5 mins ago
[05:42] <thoreauputic> selinium: hi there :)
[05:43] <Danar> not, go back into xp and run scandisk
[05:43] <not> wgt did fsck say ext2?
[05:43] <Danar> not, and do a surface test
[05:43] <dg-jfk> Excuse me, but does anyone know any homepage where I can get up to date repository adresses?
[05:43] <Danar> not, it couldn't determine the file system type because of the error/bad secotr
[05:43] <Danar> *sector
[05:43] <not> ok
[05:43] <not> :(
[05:44] <sniker> thoreauputic: i've a mobo (asus) with chip audio integrated...
[05:44] <not> im very worried now, cuz that partition worked 5 mins ago when i was in windows xp
[05:44] <Danar> not, possibly xp autocorrected for it by reading the sector multiple times and took the average
[05:44] <selinium> thoreauputic:  do you use a mule client? if so which one?
[05:44] <manson> anybody with one source.list with non standard
[05:44] <not> ok
[05:44] <angela20> hi,anyone have been using lirc ? i have 2 question about it.
[05:44] <pestilence> dg-jfk: ubuntuguide.org, but disregard the extra ones like backports
[05:44] <thoreauputic> sniker: yes, I have onboard sound too - you need sofware synth to use midi
[05:44] <Danar> not, at least ubuntu warned you about it
[05:45] <thoreauputic> selinium: no, I don't , sorry
[05:45] <not> "music player" says there is no plugin installed to handle a mp3 file
[05:45] <not> what program can i use?
[05:45] <thoreauputic> not: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:45] <Danar> not, yeah, mp3 playback is not enabled by default due to patent issues. there's a guide for how to enable it
[05:46] <not> ok
[05:46] <not> but slackware had mp3 and redhat too
[05:46] <not> so how do i play ogg?
[05:46] <pestilence> it's a distro specific choice
[05:46] <pestilence> ogg should work out of the box, shouldn't it?
[05:46] <Danar> not, slackware is community done, and redhat prolly paid licensing fees
[05:46] <not> ok
[05:46] <Ganny> will ubuntu packages work on debian sarge and vice versa? (sorry last question)
[05:46] <thoreauputic> not: ogg should work out of the box
[05:46] <Danar> not, ogg is open, and should work fine
[05:46] <thoreauputic> Ganny: no
[05:46] <pestilence> Ganny: nope
[05:47] <selinium> hi all, quick question.... Amule or Xmule? Which one do think I should install?
[05:47] <bob2> Ganny: not in general
[05:47] <sniker> thoreauputic: yes, i use kmidi, but i'm unable to hear th midi sound...
[05:47] <Ganny> okay thank you all very much
[05:47] <not> sweet, ogg works
[05:47] <dg-jfk> pestilence: Yes, I did what it recomended, but it still doesn't seem to work.
[05:47] <not> the default volume setting is very low
[05:47] <Danar> not, check the volume. it's not at full
[05:47] <Danar> by default
[05:47] <Danar> not, right next to the time
[05:48] <ThE__OnE> can someone tell me how to change the splash screen, i checked in http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#q8 but they dont instruct correctly
[05:48] <user1> excuse me
[05:48] <bphan> Hey guys has anyone made linux look identical to a Mac OS X?
[05:48] <user1> :) Does anyone know where I can obtain some wicked screen savers?
[05:48] <not> how do i get up the volume?
[05:48] <thoreauputic> sniker: well, I know the problem - but you will need to follow the howto carefully and experiment a bit ( I spent a day or two fiddling before I understood it myself)
[05:48] <Danar> not, click the volume icon and drag the slider up
[05:48] <ThE__OnE> bphan, iam using a mac theme for ubuntu
[05:48] <not> its at full and still high
[05:48] <bphan> The ONe really nice!!
[05:48] <Danar> not, then check the volume in the player
[05:48] <user1> :)
[05:49] <bphan> ThE_OnE, did you get the dock menu to work?
[05:49] <Danar> not, and last but not least, check your speaker volume :p
[05:49] <not> ok, now raised to 100%
[05:49] <ThE__OnE> no =(
[05:49] <thoreauputic> sniker: also kmidi is kind of temperamental and resource hungry - I suggest you install freepats and timidity
[05:49] <user1> Excuse me, do you know where I can get a cool wicked screen saver?
[05:49] <not> now its higher, still not as high as in windows xp, i think maybe
[05:49] <not> but its decent now
[05:49] <Danar> user1, there ought to be a bunch in the repository...
[05:49] <user1> The default once are okay, but i'm sure there is something better :)
[05:49] <bphan> it'd be really cool if we can make it look identical
[05:50] <ThE__OnE> can someone tell me how to change the splash screen, i checked in http://art.gnome.org/faq.php#q8 but they dont instruct correctly
[05:50] <user1> Danar? :)
[05:50] <Danar> not, hrm. if the player's volume is up, and the system volume is up, then it should be fine...
[05:50] <not> the performance in xp is alot better
[05:50] <user1> Or the video card fried out
[05:50] <Danar> user1, there should be screensavers available through the repository.
[05:50] <not> ubuntu is decent, its usable, but its not a truly no-problem high performance system
[05:50] <user1> :) I had that issue for some time, but check the local fries store. It should be for less then 15$
[05:50] <Danar> not, volume != performance
[05:50] <sniker> thoreauputic: i've followed the howto step by step (i've also installed timidity), but i'm unable to listening the midi  files...
[05:51] <Danar> not, maybe your player in XP boosts the volume
[05:51] <not> now im not talking about volume
[05:51] <not> now im talking about this screensaver lol
[05:51] <user1> :) Umm.. you should read the mannuels
[05:51] <Danar> not, keep in mind you're running off a livecd. prolly slower
[05:51] <thoreauputic> sniker: well, I have no magic pill for you, sorry: try reading man timidity and man jackd
[05:51] <not> yes i run the live cd, but the led on the cddrive dont blink
[05:51] <not> so it should be fast
[05:52] <not> the rendering is slow
[05:52] <thoreauputic> sniker: you can run timidity as a server for kmidi if you insist on using it
[05:52] <Danar> not, mine doesn't either for some reason
[05:52] <bob2> not: perhaps you don't have hardware accelerated gl setup
[05:52] <not> ok
[05:52] <user1> :) Hey you guys get payed for this?
[05:52] <not> i have geforce4
[05:52] <bob2> not: there's no point doing it on the live cd
[05:53] <bob2> not: when you have ubuntu installed, read wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:53] <not> why doesnt ubuntu have the matrix screensaver, that would be so cool and everybody would use it
[05:53] <not> ok
[05:53] <bob2> not: it of course does have the matrix screensaver
[05:53] <user1> Yeah it does
[05:53] <sniker> ththoreauputic: ok, don't worry... i'll try to do some experiments... thanx again... :-)
[05:53] <user1> :) It's sick!
[05:53] <reon> Hi, I need help please !
[05:53] <thoreauputic> not: erm - it does - run xscreensaver-demo and look
[05:53] <not> i cant find the matrix screensave
[05:53] <bob2> reon: you need to ask a question...
[05:54] <reon> I need to make a bootable stiffy with CD-ROM support. Any ideas ?
[05:54] <user1> Go to system/preferences/screensaver
[05:54] <user1> and search for  the matrix theme
[05:54] <reon> Can anyone point me to a URL
[05:54] <Danar> not: there may be more stuff on the actual install cd...
[05:54] <user1> It's really awesome
[05:54] <not> omfg
[05:54] <drigloi> reon, www.bootdisk.com
[05:54] <not> i just found the matrix screensaver!!
[05:54] <not> awesome
[05:54] <user1> :) haha
[05:54] <not> this my new favourite distro xDDDd
[05:54] <not> sucks that it lags, lol i need 3d render on
[05:54] <not> hehe
[05:54] <thoreauputic> not: it's tempting to say we told you so ;)
[05:55] <bob2> reon: perhaps define what a "stiffy" is
[05:55] <reon> drigloi, thanks a mil !
[05:55] <Danar> not: the slowness can be fixed :)
[05:55] <roob> One quick question, I'm trying to mount my NTFS HD. Primary slave is what: hda1 or hdb1 or what?
[05:55] <thoreauputic> bob2: are you sure you want him to define that ?
[05:55] <bob2> haha
[05:55] <drigloi> reon, you're welcome!
[05:55] <bob2> reon: hdb, the number defines the partition on that disk
[05:55] <bob2> roob: ^
[05:55] <not> danar, why is your name red and bob2 names blue in xchat?
[05:55] <bob2> roob: it's probably 1
[05:56] <Danar> not: cause i'm using your nick when i speak, and bob2 is an op, prolly
[05:56] <thoreauputic> not: settings - color
[05:56] <not> ok
[05:56] <bob2> is it a different colour now
[05:56] <roob> bob, drigloi: thanks - In fstab I put "/dev/hdb ....." then right?
[05:56] <Danar> though his text all looks the same to me
[05:56] <Warren> Hello
[05:56] <not> xchat is nice
[05:56] <bob2> roob: hdb1, yes
[05:56] <reon> bob2, thanks! I'll survive from here onwards ;)
[05:57] <Danar> not: it's even better with a black bg ;)
[05:57] <not> i usually disliked the color brown but in ubuntu it looks niec
[05:57] <not> hehe
[05:57] <user1> :) Yeh..
[05:57] <roob> bob2: ok, thanks
[05:57] <Danar> not: er, looks more like beige or something
[05:57] <not> why does ubuntu have white background on terminal, gray on xchat and slackware have black
[05:57] <user1> Haha it's default, you can change it
[05:58] <Kvark> guys, is there any way to make xchat stick to one language?
[05:58] <thoreauputic> not: you can change all that
[05:58] <roob> bob2, drigloi: thanks again, it's working :)
[05:58] <Kvark> mine came as half english/half swedish, and thats very confusing
[05:58] <Warren> Can anyone help me configure my touchpad?
[05:58] <Warren> I can't figure out how to disable that annoying tapping feature.
[05:58] <sjmurdoch> thoreauputic: I tested apt-cache policy, and it works while the package is still part of the repository. But if the repository is removed from source.list, it no longer lists the package origin. Does this mean if I want to be able to keep a record of where packages come from, I need to do it myself?
[05:59] <Danar> not: in terminal > Edit > Current profile > colors
[05:59] <thoreauputic> sjmurdoch: well, it isn't magic you know :)
[05:59] <thoreauputic> sjmurdoch: it needs a data source to do its thing...
[05:59] <anouar> hi guys i am about to instal ubuntu with the dvd
[05:59] <sjmurdoch> thoreauputic: I was hoping that the dpkg databased would hold it, but I guess it doesn't
[06:00] <thoreauputic> sjmurdoch: you might want to look at apt-file ( you can install it)
[06:00] <thoreauputic> sjmurdoch: but it still relies on updates
[06:01] <Eriden42> hi
[06:01] <Warren> Hello
[06:01] <thoreauputic> sjmurdoch: I don't quite follow why you are removing sources...
[06:02] <kestas> is there any way to balance out my mp3s so that one doesnt play really load and others really quiet?
[06:02] <thoreauputic> unless they are dodgy 3rd party ones
[06:02] <WeirdAl> How do I add a user to sudoers?
[06:02] <user1> :)
[06:02] <thoreauputic> WeirdAl: visudo
[06:04] <Danar> kestas: i believe there's a utility called normalize...
[06:04] <Warren> Has anyone here used an HP pavilion with a synaptics touchpad and managed to disable tapping??
[06:05] <user1> wow...
[06:05] <Danar> Warren: tapping?
[06:05] <WeirdAl> Ta
[06:05] <WeirdAl> all done
[06:05] <Danar> Warren: you mean the sound you hear when you run things & stuff?
[06:05] <Chigge> cant install, freezes when i come to "Configuring apt - setting up primary installation repository 25% " and then it freezes, some good id?
[06:05] <sjmurdoch> thoreauputic: The problem I have on my Woody system is that I installed some packaged from third party sources, which have since disappeared. They are obviously not getting security updates so would like to remove them, but can't find them for the reasons I've mentioned
[06:05] <Warren> No.  Tapping is when it clicks by tapping on the touchpad itself rather than the buttons.
[06:06] <Warren> ...and if pink text in X-Chat means a private message, I'm going to feel kind of silly. :|
[06:06] <sjmurdoch> thoreauputic: I am about to wipe it and install Ubuntu and would like to avoid the same problem happening again
[06:06] <Danar> Warren: oh...
[06:06] <user1> lol warren
[06:06] <sjmurdoch> thoreauputic: One way is not to install 3rd-party packages, but I like to play back DVDs and so on
[06:07] <thoreauputic> sjmurdoch: well, i wouldn't use 3rd party repos on Ubuntu: unless for something very specific
[06:07] <thoreauputic> sjmurdoch: in that case you would only have  a3rd party repo until you installed codecs and libdvdcss2
[06:08] <Chigge> cant install, freezes when i come to "Configuring apt - setting up primary installation repository 25% " and then it freezes, some good id?
[06:08] <mbruemmer> how to get run Director-application with Databasis on x86
[06:08] <thoreauputic> Chigge: see if you can skip that step ( maybe ctrl-C would stop it) and run apt-setup later
[06:09] <Chigge> thoreauputic: ill give it a try, thnx
[06:09] <sjmurdoch> thoreauputic: There are a few things I am planning on using with Ubuntu. For example I like the latest version of GNU R, and there is the stuff in hoary-extras on mirrormax like w32codecs
[06:09] <e-head> guys, how do i make an initrd ?
[06:09] <jetx> does the live cd have an install feature
[06:09] <jetx> with mkinitrd
[06:09] <mbruemmer> how to get run Director-application with Databasis on x86ubuntu
[06:09] <toinou> does someone use cvs ?
[06:09] <e-head> thanks
[06:10] <Chigge> thoreauputic : did not work :<
[06:10] <bob2> e-head: you generally don't need one, tho
[06:10] <jetx> does the fact that nobody answered me mean that nobody knows?
[06:10] <jetx> :)
[06:11] <bob2> hah
[06:11] <bob2> jetx: no, it doesn't
[06:11] <thoreauputic> Chigge: maybe someone else has an idea then...
[06:11] <jetx> ah thankee
[06:11] <Chigge> thnx anyway..
[06:11] <mbruemmer> how to get run Director-application with Databasis on x86ubuntu or were to look up?
[06:11] <Chigge> cant install, freezes when i come to "Configuring apt - setting up primary installation repository 25% " and then it freezes, some good id?
[06:12] <thoreauputic> Chigge: there should be a way to cancel out of the apt configuration step though
[06:12] <thoreauputic> Chigge: you don't need to repeat every 2 minutes, BTW
[06:12] <Chigge> sorry, i am a litle frustated
[06:13] <Chigge> sitting on my friends comp now, and he is needning this one
[06:13] <jetx> hey bob2 so hoary would be a good choice for a clubie kid at a remote site/place that i don't want to have to travel to a lot to fix the box, , or maybe something more traditional like sarge?
[06:13] <bob2> jetx: hoary  would work well for that, if the person is happy to use linux
[06:13] <thoreauputic> Chigge: are you sure the disc is OK ? Have you checked the md5sum?
[06:13] <jetx> k hoary it is
[06:13] <jetx> her dad got tired of popup spam on the computer
[06:14] <Chigge> thoreauputic : hum.. worth a try
[06:14] <Chigge> thxn
[06:14] <Chigge> off i go
[06:14] <bob2> jetx: if you're admin'ing it remotely, bear in mind the ssh server is now in the openssh-server package
[06:15] <mbruemmer> #ubuntu-en
[06:15] <jetx> alrighty
[06:15] <jetx> thanks
[06:19] <sknroiws_> I keep getting an xml parsing error when I try to download stuff in firefox
[06:19] <sknroiws_> Is there anyway to fix that?
[06:19] <bob2> restart it
[06:19] <bob2> firefox doesn't like being upgraded while it's running
[06:20] <sknroiws_> That worked :)
[06:20] <bphan> has anyone tried to install a mac-like menu dock in ubantu?
[06:21] <sknroiws_> LIke this? http://www.aniport.com/public/1119338486.png
[06:22] <copyrightNinja> Anyone here want to help me with a sound issue?
[06:22] <GNULinuxer> bphan> that's a desklet IMO
[06:23] <copyrightNinja> I need the driver snd-cs4232, but I don't know what package it's in, so I can modprobe snd-cs4232
[06:23] <GNULinuxer> sknroiws> does that desklet come with its own icons?
[06:23] <ThE__OnE> which kernel should i get for AMD Athlon(tm) Processor@1002.374 MHz ?
[06:23] <GNULinuxer> copyrightNinja> which card is it?
[06:23] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, linux-k7
[06:24] <GNULinuxer> ThE__OnE> the one for k7
[06:24] <copyrightNinja> Cirrus Logic cs4232
[06:24] <ThE__OnE> just k7?
[06:24] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> hehe
[06:24] <ThE__OnE> or k7-smp
[06:24] <bob2> copyrightNinja: ubuntu comes with that driver
[06:24] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, k7-smp is for a multiprocessor system
[06:24] <tritium> ThE__OnE, only if you have more than one processor
[06:24] <GNULinuxer> ThE__OnE> do you have HT or dual processor?
[06:24] <jetx> k7 with ht, yeah
[06:24] <copyrightNinja> Yes, but the trick is that it's an onboard sound card and ubuntu isn't installing it automatically
[06:24] <ThE__OnE> i ave one processor
[06:24] <copyrightNinja> So I have to nudge it;)
[06:25] <bob2> copyrightNinja: 'sudo modprobe snd-cs4232' prints what?
[06:25] <copyrightNinja> Let me check it out
[06:25] <jetx> the k7 ThE__OnE
[06:25] <jetx> not the smp
[06:25] <jetx> it's for amd
[06:25] <thoreauputic> just a general reminder for people new to the channel: please ask before /msg ing people
[06:26] <ThE__OnE> ok
[06:26] <tritium> Good reminder, thoreauputic :)
[06:26] <copyrightNinja> FATAL: Error inserting snd_cs4232 (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/sound/isa/cs423x/snd-cs4232.ko): No such device
[06:26] <copyrightNinja> FATAL: Error running install command for snd_cs4232
[06:26] <sknroiws_> GNULinuxer, Im not sure thats a screen shot from a friends computer
[06:26] <GNULinuxer> sknroiws> aah
[06:26] <ThE__OnE> sudo apt-get remove mplayer-586 will remove that version i installed right?
[06:27] <Seveas> yes
[06:27] <ThE__OnE> ok
[06:27] <copyrightNinja> I know I have the sound card right because another distribution got sound working with snd-cs4232
[06:27] <_dalbirdy> anyone here offering help today?
[06:27] <kmike> hello, i have a mac mini and im using ubuntu linux right now
[06:28] <kmike> when i try download os x tiger
[06:28] <kmike> i cant
[06:28] <kmike> because when i pop the cd in
[06:28] <kmike> and i click next and next
[06:28] <kmike> the hardrive is not there
[06:28] <kmike> can someone help me with my problem
[06:28] <bob2> bah: hi there
[06:28] <Seveas> kmike, this is not an osX help channel
[06:29] <kmike> well its a ubuntu help channel
[06:29] <_dalbirdy> how to upgrade a deb package any help....from a tar?
[06:29] <kmike> the hardrive can not be found
[06:29] <Seveas> _dalbirdy, with apt
[06:29] <kmike> so isnt that a ubuntu problem?
[06:29] <Seveas> kmike, you're not making sense..
[06:29] <thoreauputic> kmike: have you made space for the install?
[06:29] <bob2> _dalbirdy: you can't, easily
[06:29] <_dalbirdy> commands?
[06:29] <kmike> yeah
[06:29] <kmike> i have plenty of space
[06:29] <Seveas> at which point can't the hard drive be found?
[06:29] <_dalbirdy> the pakage is ndiswrapper
[06:29] <kmike> during the installation for os x tiger
[06:30] <Seveas> kmike, well, as i said: this is not an os X help channel
[06:30] <thoreauputic> kmike: I'm guessing you need to use the formatting tool on the OS-X disc first
[06:30] <geko> guys i am runnign ubuntu on laptop
[06:30] <Seveas> and you have an os X problem
[06:30] <kmike> theres a part of the os x install which says "where you would like to install it"
[06:30] <kmike> theres usually a hardrive there
[06:30] <_dalbirdy> i need it to be able to use my wireless notebook adapter
[06:30] <geko> but i can't use an external monitor
[06:30] <kmike> but when i tried this morning it wasnt there
[06:30] <tritium> kmike, how did you partition your drive?  Mac OS expects certain partitions to be present on the drive.
[06:30] <kmike> and its cuz it cant recognize my hardrive
[06:30] <Seveas> _dalbirdy, ndiswrapper (the kernel module) is in the linux-resticted-modules package
[06:30] <copyrightNinja> Is there a shot that if I get alsa-source and recompile it it may give me that driver to modprobe?
[06:30] <geko> and i don't wanna come back to win to show my impress
[06:30] <kmike> o
[06:30] <kmike> when i intalled ubuntu
[06:30] <kmike> i just used the option where it deletes everything
[06:31] <sfwe6457r5qw> Can someone help me to configure my broadband internet connection (the internet connection is splitted by a router
[06:31] <tritium> kmike, that's likely the problem.
[06:31] <Seveas> sfwe6457r5qw, probably you simply need dhcp...
[06:31] <kmike> ic
[06:31] <kmike> so is there anything i can do
[06:31] <thoreauputic> kmike: you need an apple filesystem in there somewhere
[06:31] <_dalbirdy> i need to use the newer version to get this to work the version i downloaded from apt-get is not new enough
[06:31] <kmike> ooo ic
[06:31] <Seveas> kmike, yes, find an OS X help channel and ask which partitions/filesystems are needed
[06:31] <kmike> ok
[06:31] <kmike> thanks
[06:32] <bob2> copyrightNinja: you already have that driver
[06:32] <Seveas> _dalbirdy, then you'll need to manually compile it i'm afraid
[06:32] <bob2> copyrightNinja: I'd be fairly surprised if that helps
[06:32] <bob2> copyrightNinja: perhaps the oss driver is loaded already?
[06:32] <tritium> kmike, see this about MacOS partitioning: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch03s05.html.en#id2533036
[06:32] <kmike> thank you
[06:32] <copyrightNinja> Maybe, how would I kick it out if it were
[06:32] <_dalbirdy> i tried to do a make install...it told me it could not find the kernel sources
[06:32] <sfwe6457r5qw> ok
[06:33] <Seveas> _dalbirdy, aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[06:33] <Danar> anyone know any good fat32 recovery utils?
[06:34] <copyrightNinja> I'm personally suprised that I can't get alsamixer or esd to work, it acts as if there's no sound card there, even though I can get system beeps:)
 trying this now thanks
[06:34] <Danar> copyrightNinja: system beeps use the pc speaker, not the sound card
[06:34] <bob2> copyrightNinja: look at the output of "lsmod" for something that sounds suspiciously like the card name
[06:37] <AMDXP> well folks will be back later
[06:37] <_dalbirdy> Seveas, is there anything i need to do after i get those sources installed
[06:37] <Danar> can anyone recommend any good fat32 recovery utilities for linux?
[06:37] <bob2> I don't think there are any
[06:38] <copyrightNinja> nada, sound has always been a pain for computers:)
[06:38] <Danar> bob2: @ me?
[06:38] <Seveas> _dalbirdy, well, ./configure --with-linux-headers /path/to/headers oslt
[06:38] <bob2> Danar: yes
[06:38] <Danar> bob2: i'm sure there's some...
[06:38] <asadf> hello
[06:39] <Danar> or do you mean there's no _good_ ones?
[06:39] <bob2> I've never heard of any
[06:39] <asadf> i am looking for software and applications that i can dl and install onto my ubuntu machine
[06:39] <sjmurdoch> thoreauputic: I found something that appears to do what I am looking for "aptitude search '!~Oubuntu' | grep '^i'"
[06:39] <Seveas> asadf, try to be a bit more specific...
[06:39] <asadf> anyone any recommendations
[06:39] <asadf> like sites
[06:39] <_dalbirdy> is that ./configure the kernel headers or the package?
[06:39] <asadf> where i can dl games/apps/programs for ubuntu
[06:40] <kmike> wow
[06:40] <Seveas> _dalbirdy, it's for configuring ndiswrapper
[06:40] <Seveas> asadf, try to be a bit more specific... <-------
[06:40] <thoreauputic> sjmurdoch: ah, nice :)
[06:40] <Danar> asadf: there's a thread for linux games on the ubuntu forums...
[06:40] <asadf> likes Games!
[06:40] <asadf> apps
[06:40] <asadf> for sl
[06:40] <asadf> dl
[06:40] <kmike> asdf go to system perfecnes
[06:40] <copyrightNinja> asadf: give yourself su rights, then run synaptic
[06:40] <Danar> asadf: there's tons of apps in the repository
[06:40] <_dalbirdy> so where did this thing unpack the headers?
[06:40] <Seveas> asadf, system -> administration -> packagemanager
[06:40] <Seveas> asadf, to get access to all packages, enable universe & multiverse
[06:41] <Seveas> asadf: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:41] <Seveas> asadf: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[06:41] <laxise> does anyone know a website with everything about overclocking grafical cards
[06:41] <laxise> ???
[06:41] <sjmurdoch> thoreauputic: So if I run that after I install any new packages, and save the output to a file, I should be able to uninstall the packages from a particular repository if/when it dies
[06:42] <Danar> j/k
[06:42] <GNULinuxer> Danar> if we could :)
[06:42] <Danar> heh
[06:42] <selinium> Hi all, I have tried to link two folders with  sudo ln -s /home/james/.xMule/Incoming/link_to_music/ /home/james/.music/ It does not seem to work... Where have I gone wrong?
[06:42] <asadf> im a linux newb, im doing this for school
[06:42] <asadf> ill be abck later
[06:42] <asadf> and you cans can help me out
[06:42] <GNULinuxer> Danar> saveas is the champ of this chan
[06:43] <GNULinuxer> asadf> we are here to help you
[06:43] <asadf> thanks
[06:43] <asadf> !
[06:43] <ubotu> asadf: I don't know, could you explain it?
[06:43] <copyrightNinja> well, I can work on the sound thing, plenty of MB posts on that, I have another, more intelegent question:)
[06:43] <_dalbirdy> seveas i just did a make install again after downloading the sourses and it seems to be doing it
[06:43] <copyrightNinja> when I apt-get or use synaptic, where in the world do the downloaded files go
[06:43] <_dalbirdy> thanks
[06:44] <selinium> hi again thoreauputic:  :)
[06:44] <thoreauputic> :)
[06:44] <selinium> thoreauputic:  isp again?
[06:44] <Seveas> copyrightNinja, the .deb files got to /var/cache/apt
[06:45] <thoreauputic> selinium: yup
[06:45] <Seveas> the installed files go everywhere :)
[06:45] <thoreauputic> selinium: time limit kicks in...
[06:45] <copyrightNinja> duely noted:)
[06:45] <selinium> thoreauputic:  lol I suppose your isp is not too expensive then.
[06:46] <thoreauputic> selinium: hmm - well it's cheaper than dsl anyway
[06:46] <copyrightNinja> is there a way to clean up the sources I don't need anymore safely, or is it safe to just rm or move to trash after the installs are done?
[06:46] <asadf> are thier any popular games for ubuntu?
[06:46] <Danar> copilot: you can just disable them in synaptic
[06:46] <Danar> oops
[06:46] <Danar> copyrightNinja i meant
[06:46] <Seveas> asadf, as someone said already there's a thread about games on the forum
[06:46] <thoreauputic> asadf: frozen bubble  :)
[06:47] <Seveas> supertux :)
[06:47] <copyrightNinja> ahh, kewl
[06:47] <Danar> asadf: america's army is prolly the most popular
[06:47] <SoSamSaid> Hi, I'm installing ubuntu for the first time (switching from fedora) and for some reason during the network configuration step of the installation, it can't automatically configure with DHCP.  we've just got a regular home NetGear router that's definitely using DHCP because all my other systems use it with no problems.  Does anyone know why ubuntu would have trouble communicating with my router?
[06:47] <selinium> thoreauputic: I have tried to link two folders with  sudo ln -s /home/james/.xMule/Incoming/link_to_music/ /home/james/.music/ It does not seem to work... Can you see where i have gone wrong?
[06:47] <[steev] > hey all, does the person who develops pmount hang out in here?
[06:47] <copyrightNinja> reason I ask is that it's an older machine I'm using as a test box, and I don't have much space to spare:)
[06:48] <[steev] > selinium: is it not your own folder?
[06:48] <Danar> SoSamSaid: have you verified that it's DHCP broadcasting?
[06:48] <Seveas> SoSamSaid, maybe you have multiple network cards?
[06:48] <Danar> copyrightNinja: surely you don't want to remove them to save a few _bytes_?
[06:48] <Seveas> selinium, /home/james/.music is not allowed to exist if you want to create a link with that name
[06:48] <Seveas> [steev] , not in here
[06:49] <Seveas> sometimes on #ubuntu-devel
[06:49] <[steev] > Seveas: thanks
[06:49] <copyrightNinja> hehe, not yet, but things might get cramped:)
[06:49] <Seveas> [steev] , look for pitti
[06:49] <pitti> [steev] : hi
[06:49] <[steev] > Seveas: thanks :)
[06:49] <SoSamSaid> I mean it says it's trying to autoconfigure with DHCP, so I can only assume it's broadcasting.  it'd be pretty stupid to assume the gateway was at a specific address.  I only have one network card and it didn't give me any error messages at the "detecting network hardware" stage
[06:49] <Seveas> ha!
[06:49] <Danar> copyrightNinja: then why not use the livecd?
[06:49] <[steev] > pitti: hello
[06:50] <selinium> Seveas: how would I 'connect' the music file so they appear in the Imcoming folder?
[06:50] <[steev] > pitti: im having a problem with pmount and a usb hard drive with 2.6.12
[06:50] <Seveas> selinium, what do you mean with connect?
[06:50] <Bramme> booted up my PC and my screenresolution is 640px now!!! yesterday i still had 1024px
[06:50] <Bramme> what to do ?
[06:50] <pitti> [steev] : known problem
[06:50] <Bramme> (ati radeon card)
[06:50] <Danar> SoSamSaid: no, ubuntu is trying to get an IP with DHCP, but it will fail if your router isn't acting as a DHCP server. it need to broadcast a reply
[06:50] <Seveas> selinium, making 2 folders appear as one..?
[06:50] <Firetech> whoah... "sudo init 1" and then "init 5" is effective... reboot without rebooting... (I had some problems which didn't want to solve themselves with relogin...)
[06:50] <[steev] > pitti: ok, i wasn't sure, was hard to tell from bugzilla
[06:50] <copyrightNinja> Well, to tell the truth, I don't want the slight performance drag:)
[06:51] <pitti> [steev] : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=314985  , I bet it's that :-)
[06:51] <selinium>  Seveas: I am trying to make the files in .music appear to be in the Incoming folder... Yes! :) Typing not too quick!
[06:51] <Elektron> hi, I want to do a VPN connection with tow computers running Ubuntu. Question: How to do it?
[06:51] <_dalbirdy> how do you stop the help from popping up on the kmenu?
[06:51] <Seveas> selinium, not possible
[06:51] <SoSamSaid> oh I see what you mean, yeah I'm sure my router is.  all the other computers connect with DHCP no problem
[06:51] <[steev] > pitti: one thing - i emailed the linux-usb-devel because /sys/block/sda/removable is 0, which it should be because the usb device doesn't have removable media
[06:51] <Elektron> hi, I want to do a VPN connection with two computers running Ubuntu. Question: How to do it?
[06:52] <Seveas> selinium, move all files in .music to the incoming folder
[06:52] <Seveas> and then remove .music
[06:52] <Danar> SoSamSaid: is it a wireless router? is it properly connected if not?
[06:52] <Seveas> and then do the ln -s trick
[06:52] <pitti> [steev] : pmount also checks if the device is USB and if it is, allows it as well; however, the current libsysfs doesn't work any more with 2.6.12
[06:52] <Danar> SoSamSaid: try switching the cable with one from another pc?
[06:52] <odie5533> How do I run a jnlp file?
[06:53] <SoSamSaid> it is a wireless router, but I'm using one of it's 4 ethernet ports, so that doesn't matter and it is definitely properly connected because I was sshed into the box when it was booted in fc2 about 20 minutes ago
[06:53] <selinium> Seveas: I was hoping not to have to do that.. So I cannot create a hard link or something like that then? I do not wish to have two identicle folders..
[06:53] <Seveas> selinium, no, not possible..
[06:53] <[steev] > pitti: ahh - you are right - that is the exact error that i get - same output from pmount -d /dev/sda1 as that guy gets
[06:53] <pitti> [steev] : there are many people asking about that, I guess I'll try to fix that tomorrow :-)
[06:54] <selinium> Seveas: cheers for letting me know! When would you create a hard link then? [curious]  :)
[06:54] <SoSamSaid> I used scp to get all my important data of the machine before reformatting to install ubuntu
[06:54] <[steev] > pitti: so version 1.3.0 of sysfsutils won't work?
[06:54] <copyrightNinja> well, I'm out.  may as well do some homework:)
[06:54] <Seveas> selinium, to make 2 folders really appear like one and you have a reason not to use a softlink
[06:54] <copyrightNinja> good luck everyone
[06:54] <SoSamSaid> then all I did was reboot from the installation cd and follow the onscreen instructions
[06:54] <pitti> [steev] : didn't try yet, might work
[06:54] <Seveas> but generally hardlinking folders is a bad idea
[06:55] <[steev] > pitti: ill go ahead and try it
[06:55] <Danar> SoSamSaid: have you verified your card is properly installed?
[06:55] <pitti> [steev] : cool
[06:55] <Danar> SoSamSaid: have you checked ifconfig? can you ping localhost?
[06:56] <selinium> Seveas: Can i create a soft link then... Sorry to be so stupid! :)
[06:56] <Seveas> selinium, ln -s IS the softlink
[06:56] <SoSamSaid> I can do those things yet because I haven't installed ubuntu yet.  it was just trying to do it automatically as part of the install process
[06:56] <Seveas> selinium, you might have misunderstoof me
[06:56] <SoSamSaid> I skipped the step by choosing "don't configure network now" and hopefully I'll be able to get working after installation
[06:56] <selinium> Seveas: I thoght so... Learnign by trail and error... Thanks again for all your help!
[06:56] <Seveas> if you do what I said you will not have 2 duplicate folders
[06:56] <SoSamSaid> I was just wondering if anyone knew why it wouldn't be able to do it normally
[06:57] <Danar> SoSamSaid: yeh, i found it's hardware detection to be pretty good, but maybe it doesn't like your card
[06:57] <odie5533> How well does GCJ work?
[06:57] <Seveas> odie5533, quite well :)
[06:57] <SoSamSaid> yeah, that could be it
[06:57] <odie5533> What are limitations of GCJ?
[06:57] <bob2> odie5533: quite well; the big problem seems to be unimplimented portions of the class library
[06:57] <selinium> Seveas: Thanks for your help.
[06:58] <Elektron> hi, I want to do a VPN connection with two computers running Ubuntu. Question: How to do it?
[06:58] <Danar> SoSamSaid: do you have the livecd?
[06:58] <odie5533> What features are not implemented?
[06:58] <bob2> Swing's one thing
[06:58] <Seveas> odie5533, and the fact that GCJ is stricter than other compilers
[06:58] <Danar> SoSamSaid: might want to try booting to the livecd just to see if it works
[06:58] <bob2> Elektron: tinc is a nice tool for it
[06:58] <SoSamSaid> nope, that would take me another 8 or 9 hours to download
[06:58] <Danar> SoSamSaid: heh. i just had it emailed
[06:58] <Danar> er
[06:58] <Seveas> but that really means that sloppy programmers should write better code
[06:58] <Danar> snail mailed
[06:59] <SoSamSaid> yeah, I'll probably end up downloading it eventually anyway
[06:59] <odie5533> Does GCJ write to bytecode or native only? And what would one use as a VM then?
[06:59] <Danar> it's handy to have
[06:59] <bob2> sablevm is quite a lovely vm, I hear
[06:59] <Seveas> odie5533, it can do both, but this is very very off-topic here
[06:59] <Danar> SoSamSaid: i like that you can actually install stuff without problems to the livecd. some livecds won't let you
[06:59] <SoSamSaid> but as for my current problem, it's not gonna do much because I already let it start reformatting and installing
[06:59] <SoSamSaid> oh, that's cool
[07:00] <TFP> hi
[07:00] <Danar> provided you have the memory of course
[07:00] <SoSamSaid> do you use ubuntu or kubuntu?  my friend is a fan of kde so he recommended kubuntu and that's what I installing
[07:00] <Danar> i'm running off the ubuntu livecd
[07:00] <SoSamSaid> oh nice
[07:00] <TFP> i have a problem with the ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat repository
[07:00] <Danar> i intend to install ubuntu then get kde
[07:01] <TFP> every time i make an apt-get update i get an error
[07:01] <Danar> but i'm liking gnome too, so i might use both
[07:01] <Elektron> hi, I want to do a VPN connection with two computers running Ubuntu. Question: How to do it? If you know a link to a good HowTo, please pvt me.
[07:01] <djm62> SoSamSaid: kde seems to be less hot on the hotplugging...
[07:01] <Seveas> Elektron, install openvpn and read the documentation :)
[07:01] <Seveas> TFP, so don't use it then...
[07:01] <bob2> Elektron: as I said, tinc is quite nice.  tinc-vpn.org, it's in the tinc package in Ubuntu.
[07:01] <TFP> the md5 checksums mismatch or sth like that
[07:02] <Elektron> 10ks Seveas, I'll do this
[07:02] <TFP> well it worked fine until now
[07:02] <TFP> what could that be?
[07:02] <dan_> Seveas:  i cant find that torrent package
[07:02] <SoSamSaid> I share this computer with people who don't know linux.  I wonder if it would be more practical to put windows on it and just use the livecd when I need to
[07:02] <dan_> Seveas:  you know its name
[07:02] <Seveas> TFP, temporary server error perhaps...
[07:02] <thoreauputic> TFP: the fact that it's a Debian repo and Debian just released Sarge?
[07:02] <Seveas> dan_, which one..?
[07:02] <erb> hi
[07:03] <Danar> SoSamSaid: or you could just use kubuntu. kde is a lot like windows in appearance, and can be made even moreso
[07:03] <TFP> ah ok? anyone here using this repo, too?
[07:03] <djm62> SoSamSaid: if you don't own it, be conservative...you can dual boot and set the default to windows with a short-ish timeout
[07:03] <SoSamSaid> yeah, that's why I keep saying, but people get scared
[07:03] <Danar> similar behaviour, etc.
[07:03] <thoreauputic> TFP: I read that the repos had been renamed (I don't use them though)
[07:04] <Danar> SoSamSaid: meh. do they use firefox? if not, you can just put firefox on the desktop, and rename it to "Internet Browser" or something
[07:04] <TFP> renamed to what?
[07:04] <lizardking> hi
[07:04] <lizardking> some Help with my webcam?
[07:04] <thoreauputic> TFP: presumably sarge. etch, sid
[07:04] <SoSamSaid> yeah, I own it.  I can do whatever I want.  they just use it a lot when I'm not around.  it only has 10 GBs so dual boot would cut the disk space basically in half.  I'll just make them deal
[07:04] <Danar> SoSamSaid: configure it to behave similar to windows and they may barely even know the difference, depending on how much they know
[07:04] <thoreauputic> TFP: check maybe
[07:04] <lizardking> some Help with my webcam?
[07:04] <lizardking> the model is
[07:05] <SoSamSaid> Danar, yeah exactly
[07:05] <lizardking> Trust Family C@m 500 and I am with hoary
[07:05] <Danar> SoSamSaid: the 'plastik' theme is very similar to windows
[07:05] <djm62> Danar: I have a single "world" icon, 1 inch high, with "Web Browser" underneath...I lent it to my sister, and she couldn't work out how to go on the web
[07:05] <Danar> actually, there's a redmond one...
[07:05] <TFP> and which one should i then use?
[07:05] <TFP> sarge?
[07:05] <dan_> Seveas: the torrent client for console
[07:05] <Seveas> lizardking, have you triead www.google.com/search?q=trust+family+linux
[07:05] <SoSamSaid> I think the problem before was that I accidentally left it so it booted to tty instead of loading the X server, so they were like what the fuck is this?
[07:05] <lizardking> Seveas, i will try now
[07:05] <Danar> djm62: heh. maybe she learned to look for the blue E.
[07:06] <thoreauputic> TFP: no, I personally don't think you should use Marillat at all - I believe codecs etc are available elsewhere
[07:06] <[steev] > pitti: i got disconnected, sorry to bother you, but sysfsutils provides libsysfs ?
[07:06] <Danar> djm62: if she'd bothered to read she'd have been fine. it's her own fault
[07:06] <Seveas> dan_, it's in the bittorrent package
[07:06] <TFP> and where? do you have a source?
[07:06] <Seveas> which is installed by default iirc
[07:06] <djm62> Danar: people fear computers now :-/  She could have double-clicked on it, the only icon on the desktop, but she was scared to break stuff.  That's windows I guess: launching IE /can/ break stuff
[07:07] <SoSamSaid> anyway, thanks for the tips.  the machine I've been talking about is upstairs so I'm gonna go check on it.  make sure the installation is going smoothly
[07:07] <brodmann> once i've installed the dialog program, how do i run it to extract files?
[07:07] <Seveas> TFP, www.mplayerhq.hu
[07:07] <thoreauputic> TFP: I think backports have them
[07:07] <Seveas> brodmann, you're not making sense
[07:07] <Danar> djm62: ppl need to learn to get over that fear...
[07:07] <Seveas> which dialog program?
[07:07] <djm62> Danar: accusations of stupidity/idleness on the part of my sister not appreciated...the fear has always been justified
[07:07] <pitti> [steev] : yes
[07:07] <lizardking> Seveas, i have found this
[07:07] <Danar> djm62: anything you can do from typing & clicking the mouse can be fixed
[07:07] <amonkey> if i have a cd in my dvdrom drive during boot, the drive won't work in ubuntu. It's capabilities aren't detected and it won't mount/eject(from software). my dvdrw never works, but it's capabilities are detected. my cdrw always works.
[07:07] <TFP> and what's the source for the backports?
[07:07] <brodmann> well, let me ask a different question
[07:07] <lizardking> http://www.linuxdesktop.it/documenti/Fotocamere_supportate_da_Linux.html
[07:07] <thoreauputic> TFP: but if you use backports, commen them out afterwards unless you like breakage
[07:07] <Danar> djm62: i made no such accusation...
[07:08] <Seveas> TFP, look at backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[07:08] <felo> #debian-es
[07:08] <brodmann> how do i extract a file but tell it where to extract to.  Everytime i extract a .run file, it puts it in a tmp folder, but once the program is done, it deletes that folder
[07:08] <lizardking> some Help with my webcam?
[07:08] <TFP> k
[07:08] <TFP> thx
[07:08] <Seveas> brodmann, did you listen to me at all yesterday???
[07:09] <thoreauputic> TFP: http://www.google.com.au/search?biw=837&hl=en&q=ubuntu+backports+sources&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[07:09] <lizardking> Trust Family C@m 500 and I am with hoary I tihnk is supported but how can recevie image ??
[07:09] <djm62> Danar: it wasn't that she didn't notice/read the icon...it's pure fear, uncertainty and doubt (not of linux, of computers)
[07:09] <thoreauputic> not too hard to find I think
[07:09] <Dekkard> qbeek: how painless is the onlin update to breezy?
[07:09] <Seveas> lizardking: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[07:09] <Mez> thoreauputic, backports dont neccessarily cause breakage :D
[07:09] <Seveas> Dekkard, very painful :)
[07:09] <Seveas> breezy is unstable...
[07:09] <Mez> or they wouldnt have been made official
[07:09] <Dekkard> hmm
[07:09] <Dekkard> k
[07:09] <Dekkard> hoary is like a rock
[07:09] <Dekkard> cant complain
[07:09] <Seveas> Dekkard, once it gets stable, the upgrade will be smooth :)
[07:09] <Dekkard> koo
[07:09] <thoreauputic> Mez: hrm <cough> If you'd been around here a few times when they did....
[07:09] <lizardking> ok
[07:09] <Dekkard> just curious
[07:10] <Danar> djm62: that's beyond FUD. that much fear is crippling to the point of being unable to use a computer at all... :/
[07:10] <brodmann> sorry, what did you say yesterday seaves
[07:10] <lizardking> Seveas, ok
[07:10] <brodmann> oh i got the ati stuff working
[07:10] <Mez> thoreauputic, yeah, but how long ago that was?
[07:10] <odie5533> how do I add a directory to the path of the console
[07:10] <lizardking> Seveas, can U give me the mail of list?
[07:10] <Mez> thoreauputic, so far they've not caused a single problem with my system
[07:10] <thoreauputic> Mez: couple of weeks
[07:10] <djm62> Danar: this is the situation with people using desktop windows, for the most part :-/ and it's justified
[07:10] <Seveas> odie5533, export PATH=/new/dir:$PATH
[07:10] <thoreauputic> Mez: lucky you
[07:10] <Mez> ok, mono yeah - lol - but i dont go anywhere near mono
[07:10] <Seveas> lizardking, lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo
[07:11] <Danar> djm62: did you not tell her anything?
[07:11] <brodmann> seaves, can you repeat what you said yesterday?
[07:11] <lizardking> Seveas, thanks
[07:11] <wijnand> when i try to play dvd's with mplayer, i always get errors that seem to have to do with encryprion... Does anyone know ottoth how i can solve that problem?
[07:11] <Seveas> thoreauputic, backports are quite allright now
[07:11] <gautada> Greetings is possible(and easy) to install a desktop from a live CD?
[07:11] <thoreauputic> Seveas: ah, glad to hear that :)
[07:11] <Seveas> wijnand, maybe installing libdvdcss2 helps
[07:11] <djm62> Danar: honestly didn't occur to me at the time, because I'm used to spending time with abnormally technical people
[07:11] <Seveas> gautada, possible: yes, easy: no and not supported too :)
[07:12] <wijnand> Seveas: you make sense, but i searched for dvd in synaptic and nothing of the sort came up
[07:12] <Seveas> wijnand, it's not in the official repositories
[07:12] <Danar> :/
[07:12] <wijnand> ahh
[07:12] <Seveas> due to legal issues
[07:12] <Seveas> maybe backports has them
[07:12] <Seveas> otherwise you should experiment with marillat
[07:12] <Danar> would you happen to know a decent fat32 recovery utility?
[07:12] <wijnand> ok...
[07:12] <maruchan> how do i move a file from home to root
[07:13] <wijnand> so is there any repository i should add to the list?
[07:13] <Seveas> marcin_ant, why would you want that?
[07:13] <gautada> Seveas: Thanks
[07:13] <Mez> seveas - I would NOT reccomend p[laying with marillat
[07:13] <Seveas> wijnand, for backports see: backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[07:13] <djm62> Danar: I was just sounding a note of caution on "KDE is just like windows": people are scared enough to use Windows these days
[07:13] <Seveas> Mez, /me neither
[07:13] <wijnand> thanks
[07:13] <Seveas> only to users who appear to have a little clue :)
[07:13] <toinou> SALUT :) est ce que qq'un sait comment faire un serveur CVS sous ubuntu ???
[07:14] <Danar> djm62: i would never say "it's just like windows" lol
[07:14] <Seveas> toinou, #ubuntu est un canal anglophone
[07:14] <Mez> Backports, are ok... I think there a re a few problems... but... I also think that marillat = god damn you're going to die
[07:14] <Danar> djm62: i'd say it's easy to use like windows
[07:14] <Mez> anyone here going to be at lugradio on saturday?>
[07:14] <truz24> I'm using php and apache2 on ubuntu.  Are there any options in php.ini you have to set to be able to use the system() command?  I am trying to zip a text file in the /tmp directory.  I can output the Zip License with system("zip -L", $result); but when i try to compress with system("zip test.zip /tmp/*.txt",$result) it fails. Any suggestions?
[07:14] <toinou> Seveas, Yes sorry
[07:14] <Seveas> toinou, va  #ubuntu-fr pour aide en franais
[07:14] <djm62> Danar: I'm not going to cut'n'paste, I'm sure you get my meaning
[07:14] <truz24> I can run this command at the console just fine.
[07:14] <Danar> djm62: my little cousin uses it without much problem
[07:14] <toinou> Does someone use CVS server here ?
[07:14] <maruchan> how can i move a file from home to root?
[07:14] <Seveas> truz24, check if safe mode is on
[07:15] <truz24> Seveas, no
[07:15] <truz24> Seveas, its not
[07:15] <truz24> Seveas, :-(
[07:15] <Seveas> maruchan, with sudo mv
[07:15] <Seveas> truz24, then try to figure out what fails exactly
[07:15] <maruchan> sudo mv file, what i want in a certin place do i place the location
[07:15] <truz24> Seveas, the Zip command returns error code 15, how can i figure out what error that maps to ?
[07:15] <toinou> Does someone use CVS server on ubuntu here ?
[07:16] <Seveas> truz24, probably the web server has no rights to write the zip file :)
[07:16] <Seveas> maruchan, see tha manpage for mv
[07:16] <truz24> Seveas, its in /tmp
[07:16] <truz24> Seveas, i can write with fwrite
[07:16] <Seveas> mv source destination
[07:16] <truz24> Seveas, so I don't think its a perm
[07:16] <Seveas> ah
[07:16] <maruchan> thanks
[07:16] <djm62> Danar: kids, that's a different matter...I hope kids are going to be growing up thinking "nothing can break unless I type the root passwd" rather than "don't...touch...anything"
[07:17] <Danar> hehe
[07:17] <Seveas> truz24, according to man zip error 15 is "unable to write"
[07:17] <Seveas> truz24, make sure it writes to /tmp/test.zip
[07:17] <selinium> Hi all, what is the linux equivalent to ipconfig /renew  ?
[07:17] <Danar> djm62: that's a little extreme. things _can_ break without the root pass
[07:17] <djm62> selinium: ifconfig
[07:17] <Seveas> selinium, ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0-
[07:17] <Danar> but i know what you mean
[07:17] <selinium> djm62 Seveas: cheers!
[07:18] <Chigge> cant install, freezes when i come to "Configuring apt - setting up primary installation repository 25% " and then it freezes, downloaded the iso again, and samne problem at the same spot :|
[07:19] <bob2> I'd guess your cd is corrupt
[07:19] <u19809> anybody here that uses a laptop with hibernate enabled ?
[07:19] <bob2> or the network is screwed
[07:19] <bob2> u19809: everyone on hoary is
[07:19] <djm62> u19809: I do, hibernate and suspend both
[07:20] <u19809> do you have a /proc/swsups entry >
[07:20] <Chigge> bob2 : can i jump over the apt config in some way?
[07:20] <djm62> although if I'd known hoary came with a free laptop...
[07:20] <u19809> my hibernate script claims it is missing ?
[07:20] <bob2> Chigge: not really
[07:20] <arangel> I have a small problem, I installed openswan and when i make install the module is copied in my old kernel dir instead in the new one..
[07:20] <bob2> u19809: er, if you mean "suspend2", please say so
[07:20] <truz24> Seveas, I supplied the path for test.zip, it worked.
[07:20] <truz24> Seveas, thanks.
[07:20] <bob2> u19809: that's different to swsusp, which hoary ships with by default
[07:21] <u19809> bob2 : so I need to cofigure hibernate in a different way than default ?
[07:21] <Seveas> Chigge, if it asks you whether you want to download from the net, select 'no'
[07:21] <bob2> u19809: stop saying hibernate
[07:21] <bob2> u19809: do you mean "suspend2"?
[07:21] <Mez> hmm
[07:21] <Mez> I dont think gmane is working witht eh ubuntu lists atm
[07:21] <queuetue> Hi, all.  I'd like to install postgres 8 - but I'm not sure what apt repo to set up (and would like to minimize the impact to my other packages.)  Can anyone help me out?
[07:22] <u19809> bob2 :I am confused. Suspend 2 is kernel stuff No ?
[07:22] <bob2> queuetue: find one made by pitti
[07:22] <Seveas> queuetue, for postgres 8 a lot of the packaging infrastructure has changed
[07:22] <u19809> bob2 : but hibernate is a script (and package )
[07:22] <Seveas> so please wait a bit until that has been proven stable
[07:22] <bob2> u19809: so, there's two suspend-to-disk systems: swsusp and suspend2.  swsusp is included with hoary, and work out of the box.  why are you playing with suspend2?
[07:22] <pitti> queuetue: you don't want to use the sid or breezy packages?
[07:23] <pitti> queuetue: I don't have a private archive any more since that requires additional manual work, but apt pinning should help you
[07:23] <u19809> Eh, the default hibernate script is configured that way (Useswsups2 yes ?)
[07:23] <queuetue> pitti, I wouldn't mind using any packages rcommended, I just dont' want ot be running brezzy at the end...  I want a system as stable as possible with postgres 8 running on it...
[07:23] <Flying-Penguin> excuse me I have just installed Ubuntu and I was wondering what the apt-get command is to update my software.
[07:23] <bob2> u19809: I don't know what you mean by "default hibernate scripte". /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh uses swsusp.
[07:23] <pitti> queuetue: on hoary?
[07:23] <[steev] > pitti: 1.3.0 works!
[07:23] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, apt-get upgrade
[07:24] <queuetue> pitti, Yes.
[07:24] <pitti> [steev] : \o/ thanks for testing
[07:24] <bob2> u19809: if you want to suspend your machine, just do "sudo /etc/acpi/hibernate.sh"
[07:24] <u19809> I have one under /usr/sbin/hibernate ???
[07:24] <queuetue> pitti, How does apt-pinning work/  I've heard about it, but never done it.
[07:24] <pitti> queuetue: I'd recommend recompiling the breezy/sid source packages (they are identical) for hoary
[07:24] <pitti> queuetue: nevermind, by using the breezy debs you would pull in a new libc and stuff
[07:24] <llama_> what exactly is breezy?
[07:24] <sanpera> anyone know why the ubuntu firefox packages aren't built with xprint support?
[07:25] <queuetue> pitti, Ok.  Is that a big build?  (Athlon 64 2.2GHZ, 2GB ram)
[07:25] <bob2> u19809: ignore that
[07:25] <_dalbirdy> SeveaS, I got that driver to work with ndiswrapper,thanks for your help
[07:25] <Seveas> llama_, it will be the next Ubuntu release
[07:25] <llama_> ahh
[07:25] <Seveas> _dalbirdy, good to know!
[07:25] <[steev] > pitti: well, i ummm, should admit that i uhh, ,run gentoo not ubuntu, so erm, yeah... i uhhh, no problem :)
[07:25] <pitti> queuetue: takes ~ 20 minutes per server package on my Duron 1.3
[07:25] <bob2> u19809: or tell us what your actual aim is.  is it "I would like my laptop to suspend to disk"?
[07:25] <llama_> how soon Seveas?
[07:25] <pitti> [steev] : that should be fine :-)
[07:25] <Seveas> llama_, october
[07:25] <llama_> nice
[07:25] <u19809> bob2 : yes and I would like hibernation to trigger when the laptop lid closes
[07:25] <[steev] > pitti: this is perfect because i have some new pictures of the dogs i wanted to upload :)
[07:25] <queuetue> pitti, Great - can you show me a howto to get the source packages and rebuild and locally install them?
[07:25] <u19809> under kunbunt
[07:26] <u19809> kubuntu
[07:26] <bob2> u19809: cool, so get rid of the hibernate package
[07:26] <pitti> queuetue: I /msg you
[07:27] <wijnand> does anyone know how i can create multiple sound devices in alsa?
[07:27] <lsuactiafner> i need a program to take a text file and to intelligently search for expressions/strings that occur most often
[07:27] <lsuactiafner> ideas?
[07:27] <wijnand> lsuactiafner: ascii text? parse it through a perl script... shouldn't be too hard to write
[07:27] <djm62> lsuactiafner: grep and wc to get the number of /lines/ with a particular regexp in
[07:27] <Seveas> lsuactiafner: strings :)
[07:28] <Seveas> cat file | strings | sort -n
[07:28] <Seveas> cat file | strings | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn
[07:28] <u19809> bob2 : yes that is better ;-)
[07:28] <bob2> u19809: now try running the command I mentioned earlier, and see if it suspends ok
[07:29] <llama_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42821
[07:29] <u19809> bob2 : yes it works now ... thanx (I just suspended and resumed ...)
[07:29] <bob2> u19809: woo
[07:29] <brodmann> bob2: i'm trying to extract a .run file, but everytime it extracts to the folder, when it's finished, it deletes that tmp folder
[07:29] <Danar> anyone know why gparted might give an unspecified error when trying to resize a partition?
[07:29] <u19809> up to the next thing I want to configured : my WLAN led
[07:30] <Danar> just says 'there was an error trying to move/resize the partition'
[07:30] <bob2> brodmann: .run files are not generic, you need to find specific instructions for whatever you're trying to install
[07:30] <lsuactiafner> brodmann : nvidia driver?
[07:30] <brodmann> no, it's planeshift
[07:30] <Dustin`> how was the root-account enabled again in ubuntu? I fail to look the answer from support site
[07:31] <Danar> brodmann: you're supposed to execute it. it's a self extracting file
[07:31] <lsuactiafner> brodmann : sh file.run --help
[07:31] <Danar> brodmann: chmod +x <filename>, then ./<filename>
[07:31] <lsuactiafner> might igve a option to extract only
[07:31] <Danar> lsuactiafner: i don't think that'll work
[07:31] <brodmann> the problem is, when it extracts, it puts it in a folder, but when it's done extracting it deletes that folder
[07:31] <Danar> brodmann: do what i said
[07:31] <bob2> Dustin`: wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[07:31] <brodmann> i'll try that
[07:32] <Dustin`> bob2, thanks
[07:32] <lsuactiafner> i never noticed sudo, just got root and passwd it
[07:32] <Seveas> Danar, lsuactiafner it's hopeless, he does not listen, i've been trying to help him yesterday but to no avail because he did not listen...
[07:32] <lsuactiafner> lol Seveas
[07:32] <Danar> Seveas: i've installd planeshift before...
[07:33] <lsuactiafner> Seveas : its those types you need to tell -rf /
[07:33] <lsuactiafner> from there they learn to think for themselves
[07:33] <lsuactiafner> but yah cheers
[07:34] <wijnand> Seveas: i found out there is a more elegant solution to the dvd css problem:
[07:34] <wijnand> Seveas: /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh will install it for you
[07:35] <morgajelWork> alright guys, what do I gotta do to get the 5.04 LiveCD to boot on a Mac Mini?
[07:35] <morgajelWork> I'm Mac-retarded.
[07:36] <morgajelWork> I popped the CD in and rebooted, and it wasn't quite as simple as a live CD on a PC
[07:36] <morgajelWork> i.e. it didn't "just work"
[07:36] <djm62> morgajelWork: ISTR something about holding down C as you switch on to boot from cd...
[07:36] <sherve> hello people. I need help. I have problem starting the X windows. I do get to a login screen, but not much longer. I only see the background color and not more happens. The mouse still works though. Does anybody have a clue?
[07:36] <morgajelWork> thanks djm62
[07:36] <Danar> morgajelWork: you using the right architecture version?
[07:37] <djm62> morgajelWork: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23405.html
[07:37] <djm62> morgajelWork: I may have misled you there...
[07:37] <vicks> what do you guys think about moving towards another way to organize the filesystem. Like gobo linux has done?
[07:37] <ThE__OnE> hmm someone tried to dcc me something but it would accept, how can i allow incoming connections/?
[07:38] <thoreauputic> ThE__OnE: are you behind NAT or proxy?
[07:38] <Danar> ThE__OnE: Settings > Network > File transfers
[07:38] <geko> guys anyone uses a toshiba laptop?
[07:38] <Seveas> bob2, you seemed to know the hibernate setup of ubuntu. I just tried hibernat, but when I started the machine again, it booted like a normal boot. How do I resume from a hibernate?
[07:38] <Danar> ThE__OnE: and/or Network setup
[07:38] <Danar> ThE__OnE: make sure it's set up right
[07:39] <bob2> Seveas: you need the correct resume= line passed to your kernel at boot time
[07:39] <ThE__OnE> it is right
[07:39] <bob2> Seveas: hoary would have set it up properly, if you came from warty you have to do it manually
[07:39] <sherve> can anyone help?
[07:39] <Zakken> Hmm...
[07:39] <Seveas> bob2, that'll be it
[07:40] <sputnik> Can anyone help me get my dc10plus capture card working?
[07:40] <Danar> ThE__OnE: you configured it previously?
[07:40] <bob2> Seveas: resume=/dev/hda2, hda2=your swap partition
[07:40] <Seveas> ah
[07:40] <Danar> ThE__OnE: if you're sure it's right, it's prolly the other end
[07:40] <Seveas> nice
[07:40] <Seveas> has anything gone bad now that it didn't resume, or did I just lose the memory contents?
[07:41] <bob2> you just had a clean reboot
[07:41] <bphan> does anybody here have Desklet?
[07:41] <Zakken> Hmm,  I'm just testing the Ubuntu Live CD;  Its working 100% so far... So should I go download the actual installer?
[07:41] <bob2> it syncs everything to disk before suspending
[07:41] <Seveas> fdisk was complaining about some non-contiguosness on my / yes it was a clean reboot
[07:41] <ThE__OnE> Danar, the settings in xchat seem to be right if thats what your talking about
[07:41] <Seveas> I'll change menu.lst and retry, thank you!
[07:41] <bob2> np
[07:41] <Danar> ThE__OnE: yeah. prolly either your firewall/router, or the other guy
[07:42] <Zakken> Alright...
[07:42] <dr_willis> o_0
[07:42] <ThE__OnE> norm_, its not he other guy, i had 3 people try it on mine
[07:42] <arangel> My ipsec initialization script is gone from my /etc/init.d/ how's this possible?
[07:42] <ThE__OnE> no *
[07:42] <Zakken> Now,  when I install it;  Will It give me the choice to Dual Boot?
[07:43] <kikkoman> how come theres no sound when im trying to play flash games? :(
[07:43] <quitte> does ubuntu support net installing with acx100 wlan card?
[07:43] <Zakken> Anyone know?
[07:43] <Danar> ThE__OnE: you have a firewall and/or router?
[07:43] <Seveas> bob2, my swap wasn't mounted after hibernate
[07:44] <u19809> I try to erase a cd-rw and k3b says I should try k3bsetup2 ???
[07:44] <Seveas> bob2, is that normal behaviour, given that the swap might contain data?
[07:44] <ThE__OnE> Danar, nothing other than Ubuntu
[07:44] <bob2> Seveas: I'm not sure
[07:44] <ThE__OnE> default settings
[07:44] <Zakken> I guess not...
[07:44] <Danar> ThE__OnE: you on the livecd, or is it installed to the HDD?
[07:44] <ThE__OnE> installed
[07:45] <bob2> Seveas: it's not safe to resume from anymore, tho, anyway; Im not sure why it would do that
[07:45] <Danar> and you haven't configured iptables?
[07:45] <Seveas> Unable to find swap-space signature
[07:45] <Seveas> in dmesg
[07:45] <Seveas> should I clean the swap with swapon?
[07:45] <Danar> ThE__OnE: and you don't have a router?
[07:45] <u19809> it claims cdrecord has no permission to open the device but it is 660 group cdrom and the user belongs to cdrom group
[07:45] <ThE__OnE> no router/firewall here
[07:45] <bob2> Seveas: yup
[07:45] <Seveas> ok
[07:45] <Danar> ThE__OnE: you do have a firewall: iptables
[07:45] <bob2> Seveas: I guess it changed the swap signature so the kernel didn't recognise it anymore
[07:45] <ThE__OnE> nope
[07:46] <Danar> ThE__OnE: it's just set to allow everything by default
[07:46] <Seveas> bob2, and the resume.sh script would have restored it I guess
[07:46] <ThE__OnE> i dont know then
[07:46] <Danar> ThE__OnE: open a root terminal and type 'iptables -L'
[07:46] <Seveas> ewwww, swapon fails
[07:47] <Danar> ThE__OnE: must be your xchat setup then
[07:47] <Seveas> so, mkswap to the rescue :)
[07:47] <bob2> Seveas: er, swapon doesn't clear the swap partition
[07:47] <bob2> only mkswap does
[07:47] <Seveas> yeah
[07:47] <Seveas> reading the manpage gave me that clue back
[07:47] <bob2> ahh
[07:49] <kikkoman> how do i get my sound working on flash?
[07:49] <anouar> jo dudes
[07:49] <PoopinClumpin> well does your sound work otherwise
[07:49] <PDani> hi
[07:49] <anouar> i have ubunto now with totem player
[07:50] <anouar> but it says i have to download plugins because i cant even play mp3's
[07:50] <kikkoman> yes it works just not when im trying to play flash games
[07:50] <anouar> can anyone help me
[07:50] <PDani> when will the firefox be updated in ubuntu?
[07:51] <anouar> how can i download plugins for totem player so i can listen to mp3's
[07:51] <Danar> mp3 playback isn't enabled by default cause it's patented
[07:51] <jde> !restricted
[07:51] <ubotu> somebody said restricted was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[07:51] <anouar> so
[07:51] <Danar> see that ^
[07:51] <Danar> to enable it
[07:52] <anouar> that url?
[07:52] <Danar> yeah
[07:52] <thoreauputic> anouar: install gstreamer0.8-mad for rhythmbox - I guess that works for totem too
[07:52] <Danar> tells you how
[07:52] <gregburd> Question, is it possible to use YUM to update Ubuntu?  Is there a better tool?
[07:53] <thoreauputic> greg72: erm - yum is a copy of apt
[07:53] <jde> !synaptic
[07:53] <ubotu> I guess synaptic is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SynapticHowto
[07:53] <thoreauputic> greg72: ubuntu uses apt
[07:53] <gregburd> ah
[07:53] <gregburd> see, that helps
[07:53] <thoreauputic> oops lazy tab complete, sorry
[07:53] <thoreauputic> ;)
[07:53] <gregburd> So, synaptic is the tool to use.  It manages packages and the kernel?
[07:54] <thoreauputic> gregburd: it's the gui frontend, yes
[07:54] <dr_willis> kernel updates are just more packages. :P
[07:54] <jde> gregburd: Yes, synaptic is just a frontend for apt.
[07:54] <gregburd> Thanks.
[07:54] <thoreauputic> gregburd: the underlying programs are apt and dpkg
[07:55] <anouar> ok so i downloaded MAD
[07:55] <anouar> it is a tar.gz
[07:55] <anouar> i am a beginnen
[07:55] <anouar> how do i install it :$
[07:55] <thoreauputic> anouar: no - you should use the paclkage manager
[07:55] <gregburd> Situation is this: I'm a long time Mac OS/X user (even worked for NeXT, and Sun's OpenStep for Solaris project too).  Now, I'm going to switch (gasp) one machine to Linux.  So, I'm researching distributions.  Ubuntu is in the lead.  So, I'm new to Linux and Ubuntu, but not UNIX and all that jazz.
[07:55] <thoreauputic> anouar: use synaptic
[07:55] <gregburd> So, thanks for going easy on me. :)
[07:55] <anouar> how
[07:55] <jde> anouar: Did you follow the link provided a few moments ago?
[07:56] <gregburd> yep
[07:56] <anouar> nope it did not worjk
[07:56] <vinux> hey all does anyone know a way to install the p4 optimized kernel when I boot up ubuntu to a install?
[07:56] <anouar> you see
[07:57] <thoreauputic> vinux: search for linux-image and choose 686 in the package manager
[07:58] <cyberix> Why doesn't my IPv6 work?
[07:58] <thoreauputic> vinux: but don't use the 2.6.11 kernel (known issues, not supported)
[07:58] <vinux> thoreauputic, I tried to do it in synaptic and boy since I have 2 kernels the Nvidia driver won't install right on the new kernel
[07:58] <ompaul> cyberix, typically it has to do with upstream
[07:59] <vinux> thoreauputic, ok
[07:59] <Dekkard> gregburd im an osx user as well.. but after linux.... ubuntu is very friendly and pretty dang easy
[07:59] <thoreauputic> vinux: I think you need to reconfigure drivers for the new kernel
[08:00] <gregburd> Dekkard: thanks.
[08:00] <Dekkard> np dood
[08:00] <ericz> if i know nothing at all about linux and have never used any OS besides windows xp and 98-se... how much trouble would i have attempting to install ubuntu?
[08:00] <Dekkard> ericz ubuntu is like 4 clicks
[08:00] <thoreauputic> ericz: installing is pretty easy
[08:00] <bphan> Hey guys anybody know gDesklet?
[08:01] <ericz> installing windows is harder than installing ubuntu then?
[08:01] <bphan> has anybody used gDesklet?
[08:01] <Seveas> OK, so hibernate sucks :)
[08:01] <Seveas> I got half my GUI back and nothing responded
[08:01] <Dekkard> depending on your hardware it can be super easy of rocmparable to (bleh) winders'
[08:01] <ompaul> ericz, and using is a little fun, it may take a little, not much work
[08:01] <dr_willis> installing windows is ok.. its Getting it in a useable/safe/state thats such a Pain.. :P
[08:01] <ericz> i was trying to get a free live cd from ubuntulinux.org but the thing to request cd's seems to be broken
[08:02] <vinux> thoreauputic, how would I configure the drivers for the new kernel?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> !binarydrivers
[08:02] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, thoreauputic
[08:02] <thoreauputic> !binary
[08:02] <ubotu> thoreauputic: I don't know, could you explain it?
[08:02] <thoreauputic> bah
[08:03] <thoreauputic> !drivers
[08:03] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, thoreauputic
[08:03] <thoreauputic> oh OK
[08:03] <Amaranth> !smeg
[08:03] <ubotu> I heard smeg is a Gnome menu editor. Get it at at http://www.realistanew.com/projects/smeg/
[08:03] <Amaranth> well, it's not dead anyway
[08:03] <jde> vinux: Install the right nvidia driver for your new kernel, or recompile the drivers for the new kernel.
[08:03] <thoreauputic> vinux: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto
[08:03] <thoreauputic> there
[08:04] <vinux> jde, ok understood. I might have to recompile though unless I get rid of old kernel
[08:04] <thoreauputic> ubotu drivers is  https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BinaryDriverHowto
[08:04] <ubotu> okay, thoreauputic
[08:04] <JDahl> ericz, I had to compile some stuff on a clean Windows machine, and I spend the better part of a day installing all the GNU tools on top of Windows, and then another day compiling libraries with MinGW, before I could actually get work done. With Ubuntu it would take 1 hour before I am productive
[08:04] <cyberix> SIOCADDRT: File exists
[08:04] <cyberix> Failed to bring up eth0.
[08:06] <cyberix> JDahl: Someone should port apt to Windows, right :-)
[08:06] <djm62> cygwin used to have something similar
[08:06] <thoreauputic> cyberix: I hope not - it's a nice competitive advantage we have ;)
[08:06] <anouar> i don't get it how can i watch a dvd with totem player
[08:06] <vinux> thoreauputic, you see the problem I think when I was running my new kernel when I removed nvidia driver and reinstalled it. It reinstalled it to the old kernel again, I might be wrong but it also could be because of the configure files still left on from the old kernel too
[08:07] <JDahl> cyberix, tell me about it! and then the should convince MS to either stop advertising their free dumbed down compiler or make it compatible with GNU tools
[08:07] <anouar> because is does not work
[08:07] <goldfish_> anouar: use vlc instead
[08:07] <anouar> what is vlc?
[08:07] <anouar> how do i install it
[08:07] <Dekkard> video lan player
[08:07] <goldfish_> anouar: good dvd/movie/media player
[08:07] <Dekkard> sudo apt-ge tinstall vlc
[08:07] <anouar> wat is sudo?
[08:08] <goldfish_> *Sigh*
[08:08] <thoreauputic> anouar: to watch dvd you pobably need libdvdcss2 as well (legal issues)
[08:08] <thoreauputic> !faq
[08:08] <ubotu> it has been said that faq is Frequently Asked Questions you can check it out from here ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[08:08] <thoreauputic> anouar: start there ^^^
[08:08] <anouar> oke
[08:08] <bionic> anouar, "switch user - do" :p
[08:08] <btk> is it better than mplayer?
[08:08] <btk> I'm currently using mplayer..
[08:08] <selinium> Seveas: i tried to copy all 6.6MB of files to the other directory, but nautilus crashed. Now i cannot locate the files. Any ideas?
[08:08] <bionic> vlc is way better imo
[08:08] <goldfish_> btk: try and see what you think :)
[08:08] <goldfish_> i think it is
[08:09] <cyberix> anouar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[08:09] <djm62> btk: if mplayer is working for you, vlc won't do much more...but the one you prefer is always best
[08:09] <yuan> f
[08:09] <thoreauputic> btk: different players work better on different systems, it seems - I have good luck with xine on this box, but vlc is better on another
[08:09] <btk> all right..
[08:09] <thoreauputic> don't know why...
[08:10] <Danar> best ones are xine, mplayer & vlc. try them all and decide which  you like best
[08:10] <btk> by the way.. how do you think about 'initnc'?
[08:10] <thoreauputic> initnc??
[08:10] <btk> ye
[08:10] <thoreauputic> do you mean initrc ?
[08:11] <anouar> lol i cant get to the FAQ wiki
[08:11] <btk> i dont know exact name but..
[08:11] <anouar> wtf
[08:11] <selinium> Help! just ried to move 6.6MB of mp3's but nautilus crashed during the operation. NOw i cant find the files anywere.... Any ideas?
[08:11] <btk> which make my booting speed up.. I heard..
[08:11] <anouar> with windows i can
[08:11] <Dekkard> i have an idea youve lost the files
[08:11] <SoSamSaid> alright, I just installed kubuntu and I can't get it to bring up my network interface
[08:12] <selinium> Dekkard: Thankyou for your insite! :P
[08:12] <thoreauputic> anouar: are your nameservers properly configured ?
[08:12] <Dekkard> o_0
[08:12] <djm62> selinium: that Shouldn't Happen...can you open a terminal, cd to the start directory, and type ls to see if they show up there?
[08:12] <SoSamSaid> it's as if it doesn't have the right driver for my card, but it autodetected it alright and knows exactly what card it is
[08:13] <anouar> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:13] <SoSamSaid> but when I try to enable it, it will show as enable for about a quarter second and then go back to disabled without any error messages
[08:13] <anouar> can not find apt.....
[08:13] <anouar> wtf
[08:13] <SoSamSaid> if I use ifup form the command line, it says eth0 is unkown
[08:13] <thoreauputic> anouar: sudo apt-get install - and you need to enable repositories
[08:13] <SoSamSaid> even though when I do ifconfig eth0, it does recognize it
[08:13] <djm62> selinium: also, is there anything unusual about your system, and was there anything unusual about that transaction?
[08:13] <SoSamSaid> any ideas from anyone?
[08:14] <anouar> how do i enable repositiories
[08:14] <thoreauputic> anouar: try to read the faq, and read this too
[08:14] <thoreauputic> !repositories
[08:14] <ubotu> I guess repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:14] <btk> anyhow.. does someone know how to implement 'awk's feature' in c language?
[08:14] <djm62> SoSamSaid: ifup looks in /etc/network/interfaces for the settings
[08:14] <btk> is there some libraries?
[08:14] <btk> if not, nevermind. :)
[08:14] <Dekkard> anouar from a terminal type in sudo synaptic
[08:15] <djm62> SoSamSaid: so you can set stuff with ifconfig, and it will work until you stop, but you should configure /etc/network/interfaces if you want it to go when you boot or otherwise be retained
[08:16] <anouar> root@ubuntu:/home/anouar # sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[08:16] <anouar> Pakketlijsten worden ingelezen... Klaar
[08:16] <anouar> Boom van vereisten wordt opgebouwd... Klaar
[08:16] <anouar> E: Kon pakket gstreamer0.8-mad niet vinden
[08:16] <djm62> by 'go' I mean 'return'...
[08:16] <anouar> too bad
[08:16] <anouar> :(
[08:16] <thoreauputic> anouar: READ THE URLS FIRST
[08:16] <SoSamSaid> djm, so should I just look in there to see how to configure it?
[08:16] <anouar> i cant!!!!
[08:16] <anouar> they don't work!!!
[08:16] <thoreauputic> anouar: sorry but really...
[08:16] <anouar> i am sorry to
[08:16] <anouar> too
[08:17] <djm62> SoSamSaid: or do "man interfaces"...it's one of the clearest man pages, with plenty of examples
[08:17] <thoreauputic> anouar: they work fine - you have a configuration pronlem
[08:17] <thoreauputic> *problem
[08:17] <djm62> ubuntu does have that one by default, anyone?
[08:17] <SoSamSaid> djm, great thanks.  be back in a few
[08:17] <PaloDeQueso> if I'm running kernel 2.6.10-5-386 and I need the kernel sources, which package do I download?
[08:18] <anouar> oh well
[08:18] <selinium> djm62: Sorry, then phone rang...Just trying to find the files
[08:18] <thoreauputic> anouar: do other URLs work?
[08:19] <anouar> yes
[08:19] <anouar> ofcorse
[08:19] <anouar> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/search_form dis one does not
[08:19] <thoreauputic> anouar: then go to google and type " site:ubuntulinux.org repositories howto" and follow the links
[08:19] <anouar> i mean
[08:19] <anouar> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[08:19] <selinium> djm62: the file can not be found with ls... :o(
[08:20] <djm62> selinium: source and destination dirs?
[08:20] <selinium> djm62, source dirs, just checking the other...
[08:20] <thoreauputic> anouar: that site is up as far as I can see - I just opened it
[08:21] <anouar> well i tried again
[08:21] <anouar> and i can't open it
[08:21] <anouar> very strange
[08:21] <djm62> anouar: try typing it into a running browser
[08:21] <PaloDeQueso> if I'm running kernel 2.6.10-5-386 and I need the kernel sources, which package do I download?
[08:21] <thoreauputic> anouar: can you ping it?
[08:22] <ompaul> anouar, http://pastebin.ca/15368 tells you every  repository I have on my machine - cat /etc/apt/sources.list and I have that package installed so it has to work however if you are in .de maybe putting in a .de in the place of .ie in the file might be a good thing
[08:23] <pedro> please pocket pc hp5555 not synchonize about kpilot??
[08:23] <thoreauputic> the gods of ubuntu are not smiling on anouar it seems...
[08:24] <anouar> so if i understand , a repository is like a portagetree
[08:24] <pedro> alguien habla espaol???
[08:24] <thoreauputic> anouar: similar, yes
[08:24] <anouar> oke
[08:24] <djm62> pedro: try #ubuntu-es ;)
[08:24] <selinium> djm62: the files have appeared in the destination directory. The command must have still run in the background even though Nautilus crashed. It just took it's time to show in the destination folder.. Thanks for your help!
[08:24] <pedro> nadie sabe sobre hp5555
[08:25] <vinux> brb guys
[08:25] <anouar> oke brb guys
[08:25] <ompaul> anouar, I have no idea about portagetree :-)  it is a set of compatable of binaries that work together
[08:25] <jde> pedro: El canal espanol es #ubuntu-es.
[08:25] <djm62> selinium: yeah...data is pretty sacred
[08:25] <pedro> ya lo se pero he preguntado y nadie sabe
[08:26] <jde> pedro: Trata la web, este http://www.google.com/linux talves.
[08:26] <selinium> djm62: 6.6Mb of mp3's that is a lot of buring on my old 16 speed drive! :)
[08:26] <ompaul> sudo getting an update
[08:26] <ompaul> hm
[08:31] <IndExTo> about & install [ --prefix=/usr/ ... ] 
[08:31] <IndExTo> que necesito hacer???
[08:31] <mesut> is it OK to use Debian repos with ubuntu ?
[08:31] <mdz> mesut: it is not a good idea
[08:31] <IndExTo> alguien espaol???
[08:31] <mdz> and there is no reason to do it, since Ubuntu incorporates the packages from Debian
[08:31] <IndExTo> necesito ayuda
[08:31] <owen__> Anyone up to thinking about a strange dynamic library problem? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/164
[08:31] <IndExTo> spanish??
[08:31] <thoreauputic> IndExTo: /join #ubuntu-es
[08:31] <mdz> IndExTo: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-es
[08:32] <vinux> thoreauputic, ok I reinstalled the new kernel and it works! Even my Nvidia glx settings were configured for it automatically :). I installed through apt-get this time and not synaptic. Apt-get installed extra pkgs which could have made the difference
[08:32] <mesut> mdz, is ubuntu source wide enough,ie how many packages
[08:32] <owen__> I don't get why the linker isn't finding the alsa libraries...
[08:32] <thoreauputic> vinux: :)
[08:32] <Heimdall> hi
[08:32] <goldfish_> hello
[08:32] <samurai> does anyone know if there is a decent discussion of setting up nxserver on hoary?
[08:32] <mdz> mesut: everything in Debian, and more
[08:33] <mesut> wow
[08:33] <mesut> the of course no need for debian repos, thanks
[08:33] <mesut> the/then
[08:33] <justin> samurai: http://www.google.com/search?q=nxserver+hoary ?
[08:33] <thoreauputic> mesut: about 16 000 packages, if that's enough for you ;)
[08:34] <Heimdall> can I ask a question about ssh ?
[08:34] <mesut> thoreauputic, indeed!
[08:34] <ompaul> Heimdall, you can always try :-)
[08:34] <djm62> Heimdall: don't ask to ask
[08:34] <Heimdall> :)
[08:34] <Heimdall> okay
[08:34] <Heimdall> I asked because it is a little off topic
[08:35] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: we don't know if you can yet...
[08:35] <thoreauputic> ;)
[08:35] <ompaul> thoreauputic, hold that thought - the clock is ticking
[08:35] <Heimdall> anyay )
[08:35] <thoreauputic> ompaul: ;-)
[08:35] <ompaul> Heimdall, stop with the anyways and stuff just ask the question and we can 'ssh -C username@domain'
[08:36] <Heimdall> well I'm connected on a server by ssh, and I'd like to download and upload files
[08:36] <jmain> Heilmdall: use scp
[08:36] <ompaul> Heimdall, sftp is what you use -
[08:36] <thoreauputic> wow this is a record for length-of-time-to-question!
[08:36] <owen__> Heimdall, scp is your best bet.
[08:36] <Heimdall> from there, to my computer
[08:36] <Heimdall> yes
[08:36] <Heimdall> scp
[08:36] <djm62> Heimdall: scp or sftp
[08:36] <Heimdall> okay but
[08:36] <Heimdall> when I'm there
[08:37] <ompaul> Heimdall, there is no but - all on the one line please if you can
[08:37] <Heimdall> what can I do ? scp file destination ?
[08:37] <owen__> scp username@remoteserver:/path/to/files/with/wildcards/if/you/want /path/on/your/server
[08:37] <djm62> Heimdall: scp user@host:remotename localname
[08:37] <owen__> (do that from your computer)
[08:37] <Heimdall> scp 'file' 'destination'
[08:37] <djm62> Heimdall: or vice-versa
[08:37] <Heimdall> yeah but...
[08:37] <Heimdall> the problem is
[08:38] <Heimdall> my machine is not itself connected on the web,n but wia another machine wich is under windows
[08:38] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: the return key is not a substitute for punctuation ;)
[08:38] <Heimdall> lol sorry
[08:38] <djm62> Heimdall: nautilus can add sftp servers as a network server from the places menu
[08:38] <Heimdall> hum...
[08:39] <djm62> Heimdall: putty (the windows ssh program) has pscp and psftp variants
[08:39] <Heimdall> so there is : the server -> my windows machine -> my linux machine
[08:39] <ompaul> Heimdall, this is three minutes and you have two questions and 17 lines of text not to count the replies there are over 500 people in the channel and some of them might want to use it
[08:39] <Heimdall> ompaul ok ok sorry
[08:39] <Echylo> hello
[08:39] <Heimdall> forget about if
[08:39] <Heimdall> it
[08:39] <Echylo> do there exists scripts that shutdown your pc after a specified time?
[08:40] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: no we're just joking
[08:40] <jmain> Heimdall: Are you using the Windows box as an internet connection sharing box?
[08:40] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: it's easier if your question is clear and concise though :)
[08:40] <dr_willis> Echylo,  never seen such a thing.  never wanted one :P
[08:40] <djm62> Echylo: you can use "at" to do so
[08:40] <ompaul> Heimdall, it is only please ask, but if you can put all the info even stuff you consider a little off topic in one line it is easier to read that is all
[08:40] <Echylo> dr_willis, my mom would like it ;)
[08:40] <Echylo> and I like to have a nice night instead of "why is that computer still on"
[08:40] <dr_willis> leave it on 24/7 - it dosent matter
[08:40] <owen__> heimdall, do you want to move from server to windows machine to linux machine? you could use pscp to get from server to windows, then use it again to put it on the linux server.
[08:41] <ThE__OnE> how can i open eterm instead of the default terminal?
[08:41] <dr_willis> or hit the power button. :P
[08:41] <Heimdall> hum let me time to type it, cause I'm french you know... quite hard for me ::)
[08:41] <Echylo> no :)
[08:41] <djm62> Echylo: the "at" command allows you to run commands at a particular time, with easy syntax
[08:41] <Echylo> djm62,  thanks I'll figure it out
[08:42] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: ah,, je m'excuse, mon ami - je ne le savais pas
[08:42] <Echylo> Heimdall, as long as you don't try to pronounce english, it's allright :)
[08:42] <djm62> Echylo: the command being "shutdown -h now"
[08:42] <Heimdall> hihi thoreauputic
[08:42] <Heimdall> lol
[08:42] <Echylo> Heimdall, just kidding :)
[08:42] <Heimdall> let me tyyyyyyyyyype it
[08:42] <Heimdall> ;)
[08:42] <dr_willis> ThE__OnE,  I think you change the Link in /etc/alternatives is one way
[08:42] <Echylo> ok thanks djm62
[08:43] <djm62> Echylo: actually I'm an idiot...shutdown includes a damn time delay, which is why you type "now" to do it at the present time
[08:43] <ompaul> Heimdall, type away, we are not needing a reply, when you are finished we will most likely still be here, ces't bon non?
[08:43] <Echylo> :D
[08:43] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: C'est peut-etre une bonne idee si tu ecrit ta question en avance.. ?
[08:43] <Echylo> yea just thinking of that
[08:43] <Echylo> :D
[08:43] <Heimdall> oui :)
[08:43] <owen__> ok, gonna try my question once more ;-) http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/164
[08:43] <Heimdall> non t'inquite
[08:43] <Heimdall> :)
[08:43] <Echylo> at least you know a solution ;)
[08:44] <djm62> Echylo: man shutdown...the syntax is +N but I don't remember the unit convention
[08:44] <Heimdall> so, I have a linux pc, connected on the web via a windows PC and a IP network. With my linux pc I connect to remote ssh server, from which I want to download files (and also upload), the problem is that I don't know the scp command to do this
[08:44] <Echylo> I thought seconds djm62
[08:44] <djm62> Heimdall: if you have full network access, Places->
[08:45] <Heimdall> djm62 : what ?
[08:45] <djm62> Heimdall: the menu: Places->Connect to Server
[08:45] <ompaul> owen, I have looked at that (again  ;-)) emm it looks like it should be there however check linux-gate.so.1
[08:45] <Heimdall> oh sorry, this is because my ubuntu is in french ;)
[08:46] <Heimdall> okay
[08:46] <djm62> Heimdall: will give you full drag-n-drop both ways
[08:46] <Heimdall> yes
[08:46] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: scp name.ofmachine.com:/path/to/file /path/to/desired/local/file
[08:46] <ompaul> owen,  check where linux-gate.so.1 is on the box - maybe a difference in directorys
[08:46] <Heimdall> but I'd like to know the old-way you know... =)
[08:46] <XRoader> Hi, I have a FAT32 Partition which I would like to assign to /home but still be able to store files which can be used with win2000, I read this was possible but am unsure as to how to do this in ubuntu, could somebody tell me how to do it or direct me to a URL for it?
[08:47] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: man scp is not too hard... honestly ;)
[08:47] <Heimdall> thoreauputic : yes I know the syntax, the problem is that your command is to be typed on my local machine
[08:47] <ompaul> Heimdall, your local box is windows?
[08:47] <Heimdall> and I wand to type on the distant terminal
[08:47] <Heimdall> no but the problem is that it is not a "one step ssh" connexion
[08:47] <ompaul> Heimdall,  ssh -C user@othermachine:: then scp
[08:47] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: so connect to the distant one, then reverse the syntax
[08:48] <Heimdall> there is two ssh connexion
[08:48] <Heimdall> to join my server
[08:48] <ompaul> Heimdall, it matters not
[08:48] <Heimdall> yes it matters
[08:48] <vurdak> hi
[08:48] <vurdak> someone can help me with grub?
[08:48] <owen__> ompaul, linux-gate is a virtual package from the kernel. I can't find the libasound library.
[08:48] <vurdak> it hangs when i try to boot xp's partition
[08:48] <ompaul> owen__, ooch
[08:49] <Heimdall> because how could I call the distant machine if I type the command on my local linux
[08:49] <SoSamSaid> so, I still can't get this thing working.  I don't understand what the problem is
[08:49] <thoreauputic> ?
[08:49] <Heimdall> ... :)
[08:49] <ompaul> heimdall, let me see if I can sum up what you want to do
[08:49] <Heimdall> yes okay
[08:49] <djm62> Heimdall: can you put the sequence of commands you're using to make the full connection in a pastebin?
[08:49] <SoSamSaid> now kubuntu wont even let me go into administrative mode
[08:49] <ompaul> Heimdall, it will take me a moment to get it all into text
[08:49] <SoSamSaid> somehow my password doesn't work anymore
[08:50] <thoreauputic> SoSamSaid: try running ` sudo kcontrol`
[08:50] <owen__> see, I can't figure out where I messed up the libraries, but I don't get why setting that path back in and reconfiguring the linker won't work
[08:50] <jfk303> my screen saver says 'jim linux 2.6.10-5-386'. What does that mean???
[08:50] <jfk303> is it the kernel
[08:51] <vinux> jfk303, probably
[08:51] <thoreauputic> jfk303: it's just one of the xscreensaver variants
[08:51] <jfk303> yeah, just wondering what it meant
[08:51] <XRoader> Could somebody tell me how to assign (mount?) /home onto a empty FAT32 partition
[08:51] <Heimdall> ssh login@server1 .... connected; from there I do another ssh login@distantmachine; and it is from there that I want to up/download files to my windows--->>IP--->LINUX
[08:51] <thoreauputic> jfk303: yes, the kernel
[08:52] <Heimdall> I wanat to do : DISTANT_LINUX ----> LOCAL_LINUX knowing that there is between this differents steps
[08:52] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: can't you copy the file to the intermediate machine, then to your linux machine?
[08:52] <Heimdall> thoreauputic : this is not a solution :)
[08:52] <PoopinClumpin> XRoader, you'll want to edit the /etc/fstab file to tell linux to mount the /home directory to the partiion you want
[08:52] <Heimdall> yes obviously I could
[08:53] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: why not? Just curious...
[08:53] <Heimdall> 'cause it is not very fast
[08:53] <Heimdall> have to type two things :)
[08:53] <Heimdall> a single scp command would be great
[08:53] <ompaul> Heimdall, three machines a b c and you want a file on c to be copied onto a
[08:54] <ompaul> Heimdall,  can you not ssh from a to c
[08:54] <djm62> XRoader: bear in mind you won't have proper permissions if you use FAT32
[08:54] <thoreauputic> i don't see a problem...
[08:54] <Heimdall> ompaul : no I can't
[08:54] <Heimdall> ompaul : this is why I thought I could only do it in the sens DISTANT->LODCAL_LINUX
[08:54] <Heimdall> and not the ohter :)
[08:54] <djm62> Heimdall: ssh tunnelling is your solution, I think
[08:55] <XRoader> PoopingClumbin: Thanks
[08:55] <Heimdall> I'm not admin of the distatn server
[08:55] <XRoader> djm62: Hmm, is there anyway to have a partition for all my personal files, windows & linux
[08:55] <ompaul> Heimdall, you should also 'ssh -C username@host' and 'scp -C username@otherhost1' as the C compresses but you need to make a direct connection or hop the files of the server in the middle there is no other option using scp
[08:55] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: script it?
[08:56] <ompaul> Heimdall, sftp is
[08:56] <IndExTo> any channel CHILENO???
[08:56] <IndExTo> algun canal CHILENo'??
[08:56] <djm62> XRoader: it might be better if you mount your FAT32 in /mnt and create a link to that directory from inside your home directory.  keep the stuff you want to share in there, and the linux specific stuff in the normal home directory
[08:56] <Heimdall> is it not possible to do something like this : scp file IP_of_my_local_machine/path
[08:56] <Heimdall> .
[08:56] <ThE__OnE> how can i open eterm instead of the default terminal?
[08:57] <djm62> IndExTo: habla espanol?
[08:57] <XRoader> djm62: I see what you mean, I guess I'll have to do some work with the partitions again, thanks :)
[08:57] <djm62> ThE__OnE: System->Preferences->Preferred Applications
[08:58] <mesut> is it ok to install 4.1 and upgrade then ?
[08:59] <ompaul> Heimdall, you can - if you sshd running on the local box and it is visible from the internet
[08:59] <ThE__OnE> djm62, thanks
[08:59] <caner> hi there, i am from trkiye
[09:00] <ompaul> Heimdall, can you ssh -C username@atmachineC
[09:00] <zyth> thoreauputic, whoa, you're still here and chatting? Are you at work or something? ;)
[09:00] <caner> i am newbie ubuntu
[09:00] <thoreauputic> zyth: always! ;-)
[09:00] <wezzer> welcome
[09:00] <zyth> thoreauputic, hehee
[09:00] <caner> i tried a few distro
[09:01] <caner> eventually, i decided to use ubuntu
[09:01] <Heimdall> I don't understand anything sorry :/
[09:01] <phinnaeys> hey ok i have a 19" LCD and i am used to running at 1280x1024 but when i try and change it from 1024 x 768 it wont go higher than that, anyone know how to fix this?
[09:02] <phinnaeys> sorry i just installed ubuntu
[09:02] <phinnaeys> and i have no clue
[09:02] <caner> how can i extract bz2 files in ubuntu?
[09:02] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: if you can ssh to machine C, can you not then scp to machine A ?
[09:02] <goldfish_> phinnaeys: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:02] <goldfish_> phinnaeys: from a terminal.
[09:02] <dr_willis> bunzip  caner
[09:02] <phinnaeys> ok thanks
[09:02] <Heimdall> thoreauputic : this is my pb !
[09:02] <dr_willis> bunzip2 (i forget)   caner
[09:02] <goldfish_> caner: tar xvjf filename
[09:02] <caner> ok ..i know them
[09:03] <Heimdall> thoreauputic : and if you count my linux there are 4 machines
[09:03] <caner> deb convert???
[09:03] <mesut> caner, bunzip file.bz2   tar -xjvf file.tar.bz2
[09:03] <caner> thanx mesut
[09:03] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: you've lost me... :/
[09:03] <bphan> does anybody know what i need to play mp3?
[09:03] <bphan> in ubantu?
[09:03] <djm62> !restricted
[09:03] <ubotu> restricted is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[09:03] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: je ne comprends pas
[09:03] <djm62> bphan: like ubotu said
[09:04] <caner> alien xxxx.bz2 ?
[09:04] <caner> is it true?
[09:04] <ompaul> Heimdall, thoreauputic  http://pastebin.ca/15383
[09:04] <djm62> bphan: go to that link, all will be explained
[09:04] <xxtreme> hey guys whats the qt libraries for?
[09:04] <goldfish_> caner: well, i think alien is for .rpm files
[09:04] <bphan> k thanks
[09:04] <Heimdall> thoreauputic : A : (local linux), B (winXP, connected to A via local network) -->-- internet --->--- C (door machine of the distatn network)------>D(distatn linux)
[09:04] <caner> and tar.gz
[09:04] <djm62> xxtreme: drawing the buttons on QT applications, roughly equivalent to the gtk libs
[09:04] <goldfish_> *shrugs*
[09:05] <Heimdall> thoreauputic, I do two ssh from A, to join D
[09:05] <xxtreme> dj im trying to install new version kvirc its saying i need qt
[09:05] <thoreauputic> ompaul: your summation is what I thought...
[09:05] <Heimdall> thoreauputic : first to join C, and form C to go to D
[09:05] <djm62> xxtreme: from the website or from apt-get?
[09:06] <Heimdall> and then one time arrived on D, I want to save file to A
[09:06] <user00265> any obvious advantages of Ubuntu over Gentoo?
[09:06] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: I still don't see why it's impossible to scp from D to A
[09:06] <ompaul> Heimdall, look at that pastebin url I gave you and answer that question please
[09:06] <xxtreme> tried apt-get nothing, and the website has alot, dont know what i need
[09:06] <caner> who does interested in LFS?
[09:06] <Heimdall> thoreauputic : it is impossible to me because I don't know what to type in te scp command
[09:07] <ompaul> user00265, it is a .deb based system, you don't spend years installing it, if you consider these advantages then yes, to me they are huge benifits
[09:07] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: as ompaul says, scp boxD:/file/path boxA:/file
[09:08] <ompaul> Heimdall, play with the command it will not kill you
[09:08] <Heimdall> ompaul :http://pastebin.ca/15385
[09:09] <debugger> hi
[09:09] <goldfish_> hello
[09:09] <Heimdall> thoreauputic : what is BoxA then ? How can I identifythe machine ? by the internet IP ?
[09:09] <ompaul> Heimdall, have you tried?
[09:09] <user00265> ohh, here's the question that most bothers me... does Ubuntu install on a machine with a CD-ROM via USB?
[09:09] <debugger> is there a way of getting to a console from the GUI login screen? pressing ctrl+alt+f1 doesn't seem do to the trick :(
[09:10] <Heimdall> ompaul :tried what ?
[09:10] <ompaul> user00265, don't know
[09:10] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: sure - box A is your local box
[09:10] <xxtreme> whats up goldfish
[09:10] <goldfish_> hi xxtreme
[09:10] <squareff> on disconnection, "time getent hosts `hostname`" gives me: "0.00user 0.00system 0:20.0elapsed 0%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k<\n>0inputs+0outputs (0major+309minor)pagefaults 0swaps". please help me eliminate the delays, as they freeze my internet apps for 20 seconds every [20+] 3 seconds
[09:10] <goldfish_> debugger: tried pressing it a few times, ctrl+alt+f2 aswell.....
[09:11] <ompaul> Heimdall, to ssh -C username@box.C or is it that the windows box B has a firewall and it is stopping packets getting onto the internet?
[09:11] <djm62> Heimdall: ah-ha...can you type the commands on the middle machine? is there an ssh server on the local machine too?
[09:11] <djm62> user@b $ scp user@c:filename user@a:filename
[09:11] <debugger> goldfish_, it didn't work there too? :|
[09:11] <Heimdall> thoreauputic : so I do from the distant D-terminal : scp 'filename' my_ip/D:\ ?
[09:11] <goldfish_> debugger: ugh :/
[09:11] <goldfish_> hmmmm
[09:12] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: you don't need to shh to the distant box to use scp
[09:12] <bphan> djm63 thsnk
[09:12] <thoreauputic> *ssh
[09:12] <debugger> I've changed my user resolution... but now its messed up, and I want to fix it somehow... but without getting a shell I can't do anything :(
[09:12] <morgajelWork> how involved is the process of customizing the ubuntu live CD?
[09:13] <thechitowncubs> where can i find the dive into python guide i found on synaptic?
[09:13] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: you can put the boxD as your source (first) and your local as destination
[09:13] <goldfish_> morgajelWork: there is a link on the wiki for it
[09:13] <Heimdall> thoreauputic : if I use scp on my local box, how could I reach Dbox with just one scp command, as I need two ssh to reach it
[09:13] <hardcampa-> thechitowncubs... google
[09:13] <morgajelWork> thanks goldfish_
[09:13] <thechitowncubs> hardcampa: its installed on my system
[09:13] <u5er> hello is this where i can get support?
[09:13] <hardcampa-> ah heh ok
[09:14] <ompaul> Heimdall,  scp foo paul@mydomain.com:foo moves the file foo from the machine I am on to the far machine - now if I want one from the far end then I do scp paul@mydomain.com:foo foo and it drops the file locally why ohhh why do you have to go via B? is it the law?
[09:14] <debugger> goldfish_, oh.. there is a failsafe console... but its graphical and not text heheh
[09:14] <goldfish_> debugger: ye
[09:14] <djm62> he isn't routing packets through B...
[09:14] <thechitowncubs> found it
[09:14] <goldfish_> debugger: what you trying to do?
[09:14] <thechitowncubs> /usr/share/doc/diveintopython
[09:14] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: have you tried it?
[09:14] <ompaul> djm62 ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[09:14] <djm62> there was a debian package which set that up trivially, though
[09:14] <morgajelWork> how closely tied are the ubuntu and kubuntu projects?
[09:15] <debugger> goldfish_, any ideias where the "change resolution" applet saved its configuration?  I want to revert the resolution back yo 1024x768.
[09:15] <morgajelWork> friendly terms? competitive?
[09:15] <Heimdall> ompaul : I agreee 100% with your command, the problem is that there is B machine beteween !!!
[09:15] <ompaul> Heimdall, why?
[09:15] <ompaul> Heimdall, it should be the other way
[09:15] <u5er> hello
[09:15] <Heimdall> it is the door of the distatn network...
[09:15] <goldfish_> debugger: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:15] <goldfish_> debugger: maybe...
[09:15] <Riddell> morgajelWork: kubuntu and ubuntu are the same, just a different selection of packages on the CD
[09:15] <Heimdall> ompaul : so I thought to spc from C to A
[09:15] <debugger> goldfish_, oh, that contains the user settins too? hehe
[09:16] <goldfish_> debugger: you could always do a 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:16] <goldfish_> debugger: yep, that gui reads from that file
[09:16] <thoreauputic> Heimdall: there are thousands of machines on the net - but why do you have to go through the middle one??
[09:16] <u5er> cant you have gnome and kde
[09:16] <Riddell> u5er: yes
[09:16] <ompaul> Heimdall, well if you want to you can set up OpenVPN to get from one machine to the other and then use SCP but that is a totally other ball game
[09:16] <djm62> Heimdall: if you can have a shell on B and sshd on A you can do (on B) "scp user@c:file user@a:file"
[09:16] <Heimdall> thoreauputic : D is not on the net i don't know...
[09:16] <morgajelWork> Riddell: good to know.
[09:16] <morgajelWork> thank you
[09:16] <thoreauputic> djm62: right
[09:16] <xvlun> hi i got a problem with this cool breezy "do not use" kernel, is it a known problem that ipw2100 wep doesn't work?
[09:17] <hans_> i installed ubuntu 386 kerner by a mistake. Is it safe to change to 686. (I have a pentium-4 pc)
[09:17] <ompaul> djm62, the other network has a windows gateway
[09:17] <Heimdall> djm62 : aaah this is an idea !
[09:17] <djm62> 0.0 no shell on B? pscp would do
[09:17] <u5er> is there a newbie install guide to ubuntu
[09:17] <goldfish_> u5er: its all fairly straight forward.
[09:17] <goldfish_> u5er: used linux before?
[09:18] <u5er> there a few file system options that are not familer
[09:18] <xxtreme> is there a way to play sounds in xchat
[09:18] <u5er> only live cds
[09:18] <u5er> im newbie
[09:18] <goldfish_> u5er: ok
[09:18] <goldfish_> u5er: well, the ubuntu website would be a good place to start
[09:18] <debugger> goldfish_, sorry, but the /etc/X11 file does not have the user resolution settings :|
[09:19] <u5er> yes reading is #1
[09:19] <goldfish_> debugger: hmmmm
[09:19] <djm62> Heimdall: if that doesn't work, try an IP-over-Carrier Pigeon connection :-S
[09:19] <goldfish_> debugger: u cant change from the gui applet, no ?
[09:19] <thoreauputic> djm62: :D
[09:19] <Heimdall> je c pas j'y connais rien :/
[09:19] <Heimdall> damn
[09:19] <goldfish_> u5er: ok, cool. well what formats dont u get?
[09:20] <xxtreme> goldfish_ is there a way to add sounds to x-chat 2.4.3
[09:20] <squareff> [retrying]  on disconnection, "time getent hosts `hostname`" gives me: "0.00user 0.00system 0:20.0elapsed 0%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k<\n>0inputs+0outputs (0major+309minor)pagefaults 0swaps". please help me eliminate the delays, as they freeze my internet apps for 20 seconds every [20+] 3 seconds
[09:20] <goldfish_> xxtreme: no idea i use irssi
[09:21] <u5er> well i have xp and 2 hard drives on 1 pc i want to put it on a partition on the xp drive  so i can have a dual boot but it tells me if i partition it it will erase my drive
[09:21] <debugger> goldfish_, I can see the initial GUI boot screen (the gdm screen), but once I enter my user credentials and login, it changes to a "bad" resolution and my screen is garbled... so I want to change it back to 1024 :)
[09:21] <xxtreme> you got sounds with it goldfish
[09:21] <goldfish_> debugger: oooooooooooh, loing gui....
[09:21] <goldfish_> xxtreme: nope
[09:21] <goldfish_> debugger: login*
[09:21] <goldfish_> debugger: i thought u meant the resolution changing gui
[09:22] <djm62> selon babelfish: pigeon voyageur
[09:22] <goldfish_> debugger: there is an applet in the menu somewhere to change resolution
[09:22] <debugger> goldfish_, you see, I used that applet, but now my screen if fubar!
[09:22] <goldfish_> debugger: ah i see.
[09:22] <debugger> goldfish_, so, using my user to login, I can't see anything hehe so, no access to that applet.
[09:22] <goldfish_> debugger: have u tried running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' ?
[09:23] <goldfish_> debugger: from a terminal....
[09:23] <phinnaeys> goldfish_, i am having that same proble
[09:23] <phinnaeys> m
[09:23] <djm62> debugger: can you do ctrl-alt-(-) (control alt minus)
[09:23] <slashzul> how can you boot without X server starting up?
[09:23] <phinnaeys> still
[09:23] <slashzul> cant login on a new install
[09:23] <goldfish_> hmmmmm
[09:23] <debugger> djm62, yeah, thats the first thinkg I've tried... but it doesn't work :(
[09:23] <goldfish_> slashzul: screen just going blank ?
[09:24] <goldfish_> phinnaeys: did u run the dpkg-reconfigure command?
[09:24] <slashzul> nope,it locks up . cant do alt-backspace or alt- + or -
[09:24] <ThE__OnE> can i make the gnome terminal transparent?
[09:24] <slashzul> looks weird
[09:24] <slashzul> so i have to boot to console and shut Xserver off
[09:24] <goldfish_> slashzul: login to recovery mode, and run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:24] <goldfish_> ThE__OnE: yes, its in the settings tab
[09:24] <djm62> ThE__OnE: yes, edit current profile
[09:24] <debugger> goldfish_, can you tell me the name of the applet that changes the resolution?
[09:25] <goldfish_> debugger: i dont know im afriad, dont use gnome....
[09:25] <debugger> (the command name)
[09:25] <goldfish_> *afraid
[09:25] <ThE__OnE> i dont see a setting tab
[09:25] <slashzul> thanks , recovery mode is what I needed
[09:25] <phinnaeys> yeah i did golfish
[09:25] <goldfish_> phinnaeys: are u an nvidia card?
[09:26] <phinnaeys> nah it is a radeon
[09:26] <goldfish_> ThE__OnE: should be at the top bar of the window of your terminal?
[09:26] <morgajelWork> goldfish_: you wouldn't happen to remember a keyword related to customizing a live CD, would you? "customizing live CD" isn't a helpful search on the wiki :)
[09:26] <djm62> debugger: try xrandr
[09:26] <goldfish_> morgajelWork: emmmm, one sec....
[09:26] <japhacakes> hi, I'm thinking of moving from debian unstable to ubuntu warty via a change in the apt lists, and doing a apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -> will everything probably be ok?
[09:26] <djm62> morgajelWork: remastering?
[09:26] <morgajelWork> aaah
[09:26] <morgajelWork> djm62: that might work
[09:26] <ThE__OnE> only File Edit View Terminal Tabs Help are there
[09:27] <squareff> is it possible that my computer can't resolv to itself?
[09:27] <djm62> ThE__OnE: right-click in the terminal window, edit current profile
[09:27] <morgajelWork> djm62: nope- no joy :/
[09:28] <linlin> what is mingettty
[09:28] <djm62> linlin: it lets you log in via serial, I think
[09:29] <djm62> linlin: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Remote-Serial-Console-HOWTO/getty-mingetty.html
[09:29] <djm62> my bad...quite the opposite
[09:30] <pestilence> squareff: you need to clarify what you mean.  but check /etc/hosts
[09:30] <ThE__OnE> djm62, thanks
[09:31] <Eyal> did someone knows how to get outside to another tty when the X server got a failure message?
[09:31] <pestilence> ctrl-alt-F1
[09:31] <ivanox> ctrl+alt f1-f7
[09:31] <djm62> Eyal: ctrl-alt-f1
[09:31] <bionic> Anyone successfully installed and compiled captive-ntfs/lufs in ubuntu 5.04?
[09:32] <squareff> pestilence: [pasting again]  on disconnection, my browsers (etc.) freeze for 20 seconds every 3(+20) seconds. "time getent hosts `hostname`" gives me: "0.00user 0.00system 0:20.0elapsed 0%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k<\n>0inputs+0outputs (0major+309minor)pagefaults 0swaps". please help!
[09:32] <Eyal> thanks =] 
[09:32] <pestilence> squareff: what is in /etc/hosts?
[09:32] <ompaul> Eyal,all those crtl-alt-F1/F6 and ctrl-alt-backspace for killing off the xsession - (usually) kills off all the child apps also
[09:33] <pestilence> (paste to the link in the topic)
[09:33] <debugger> interesting... if I kill Xorg using "ctrl+alt+backspace" and quickly type something into the console shell, gdm doesnt show anymore... but how do I make it run again???  reboot?
[09:33] <bionic> ctrl-f7 for back to x :)
[09:33] <mbruemmer> hello can someone tell me how to set speed-min or speed-max on ppc32
[09:33] <bionic> ctrlalt that is
[09:33] <pestilence> debugger: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[09:33] <squareff> pestilence: 127.0.0.1 localhost
[09:33] <debugger> you mean Alt+F7 bionic ?
[09:33] <djm62> debugger: you almost never need to reboot
[09:34] <bionic> yeah typo
[09:34] <debugger> pestilence, the odd this is, if you don't type anything, gdm automatically shows again!
[09:34] <mbruemmer> hello can someone tell me how to set speed-min or speed-max on ibook
[09:35] <Lafitte-> can anyone help me troubleshoot a samba problem ?
[09:35] <debugger> pestilence, oh... and gdm start does not work at all.
[09:35] <pestilence> debugger: if it's already running then that command will fail
[09:36] <pestilence> in which case you can ctrl-alt-f7 or /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:36] <debugger> pestilence, so how in the heck I go for it again? :|
[09:36] <squareff> pestilence: 127.0.0.1 localhost
[09:36] <debugger> pestilence, I've tried all the ctrl+alt combos, none work :|
[09:36] <pestilence> squareff: yea, that is correct.  so i don't know
[09:36] <ulass> I need inotify enabled kernel in Hoary. Do i have a chance....?
[09:36] <pestilence> squareff: what's in /etc/hostname ?
[09:37] <pestilence> debugger: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[09:37] <debugger> pestilence, ok, I restart does the trick, but it now leaves the shell where I did the restart running heheh
[09:37] <quitte> ulass just google around a bit. the pacth is neither hard to find nor to apply
[09:37] <pestilence> yes, that's the catch.
[09:37] <pestilence> just ctrl-alt-f1 to get back to it
[09:37] <debugger> pestilence, I wish that worked here.. but it doesn't hehe
[09:38] <Javi> Hi, I am totally new to Ubuntu and almost to Linux. Just burnned a live CD 5.04 and tried to boot. It goes until menu that ask language. Then keyboard stop working. Please help.
[09:38] <pestilence> debugger: does your keyboard have a "function lock"?
[09:38] <debugger> pestilence, no.
[09:38] <djm62> how do I get the .config for the running kernel?
[09:38] <debugger> pestilence, I don't even known what is that hehe
[09:38] <Blurpy> hi, i just upgraded ubuntu from warty to hoary, and everything went well it seems. but when i portscan from another pc i get loads of tcp ports which are "filtered unknown". when i scan from the ubuntu pc i only get 2 open ports, which are ssh and cups. before the upgrade i never got any "filtered unknown" ports. what's going on?
[09:38] <ulass> quitte, is it a binary patch or do i need to recompile ?
[09:39] <quitte> ulass it's a source patch. what kernel are you trying to use?
[09:39] <ulass> quam, i am using the binary package of official Hoary kernel..
[09:40] <ulass> quitte, itis 2.6.10-5 if that makes a sense..
[09:40] <quitte> ulass: that should have inotify then
[09:40] <ulass> quitte, then how do i enable it? because i know that it is disabled on Hoary on purpose...
[09:41] <optik> hey, i have a dependency error, i need gobject2.0
[09:41] <quitte> oh. no idea then
[09:41] <pestilence> debugger: some keyboards (it seems more recent ones) have gotten the bright idea of assigning double duty to the function keys, and so you have to have a "function lock" on to use f1-f12
[09:42] <debugger> pestilence, oh, I didn't seen any of those yet hehe
[09:42] <pestilence> ulass: you can download the source for that kernel.  but you will probably have to get lucky that the patch will apply to it (if the patch was designed for the vanilla kernel)
[09:42] <ulass> pestilence, arrrgggghhh i hate kernel compiling...
[09:43] <davidmccabe> Hi folks.
[09:44] <pestilence> ulass: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10
[09:44] <davidmccabe> If I want to compile a package from source, what should I tell APT?
[09:44] <davidmccabe> (the package is already installed using the package manager)
[09:44] <debugger> yay!  finally got my screen back... I had to delete the ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/screen/default/0/%gconf.xml file...
[09:44] <pestilence> ulass: it can be a mind numbing chore :)
[09:45] <pestilence> ulass: kernel-package makes it slightly less of a chore
[09:46] <pestilence> djm62: /boot/config-your-kernel
[09:46] <pestilence> (for ubuntu kernels)
[09:46] <matt__> is there any packages for xchat-gnome?
[09:46] <britt_radiofree> could someone try right clicking on a flash app and click settings ... and see if it's rendering properly?
[09:46] <optik> any1 know how to solve my error?
[09:47] <britt_radiofree> mine looks very strange
[09:47] <djm62> pestilence: is it not in the binary yet? there was some discussion
[09:47] <Lafitte-> optik, install the file ?
[09:47] <pestilence> djm62: i don't think it is, shouldn't it be in /proc if it were in the binary?
[09:47] <martin> Guten Abend die Damen und Herren...
[09:47] <martin> hhmmm...sind berhaupt Damen hier?
[09:47] <martin> naj....egal....
[09:47] <pestilence> martin: #ubuntu-de
[09:48] <waseem> hey how do i get my logitech webcam working?
[09:48] <optik> Lafitte-:  When I compile the program it gets stuck on needing GObject-2.0
[09:48] <martin> hab da jedenfalls ein problem....vielleicht kann mir heute jemand helfen....
[09:48] <optik> and I cant find it newhere
[09:48] <martin> ooopps sorry
[09:48] <goldfish_> optik: what file u installing?
[09:48] <optik> the new gdesklets
[09:48] <goldfish_> ah right
[09:48] <goldfish_> hmmm
[09:48] <optik> as the one in the repos was causing problems
[09:48] <pestilence> optik: do you have libgnetwork1.0-dev ?
[09:49] <pestilence> oh wait
[09:49] <Lafitte-> optik,  install GObject-2.0
[09:49] <optik> Lafitte-:  there is no package by tht name
[09:50] <pestilence> what about gob2
[09:50] <pestilence> Description: GTK+ Object Builder
[09:50] <pestilence> Version: 2.0.11-1
[09:50] <optik> ill go try
[09:50] <Lafitte-> optik,  gob2 mybe ?
[09:50] <llama_> what's with the breezy butts splash screen?!
[09:50] <Lafitte-> pestilence,  oh you beet me to it heh
[09:50] <llama_> not very work safe IMO
[09:50] <davidmccabe> So in gentoo, if you want to install a package yourself, witohut using the package manager, you put its name in /etc/portage/packages.provided so that the package manager will know that it's installed for dependency purposes. Is tere anything like that in ubuntu?
[09:51] <pestilence> is breezy work safe in general?
[09:51] <llama_> well
[09:51] <shawarma> pestilence: No casualties yet. :-)
[09:51] <llama_> is that going to be the final splash?
[09:51] <llama_> hope not
[09:51] <Flying-Penguin> can anyone here help a ubuntu noob install ati drivers?
[09:51] <optik> ok... thts tht dependancy done :P
[09:51] <pestilence> i wouldn't worry too much about it at this point
[09:51] <WeirdAl> hey
[09:52] <optik> now i need gdk-pixbuf-2.0
[09:52] <Flying-Penguin> Flying-Llama: are you making fun of me? lol j/k
[09:52] <pestilence> optik: apt-cache search is your friend
[09:52] <WeirdAl> I'm getting "cannot find cups-devel support"
[09:52] <Flying-Llama> heh
[09:52] <WeirdAl> when I run ./configure --prefix=/usr
[09:52] <Flying-Llama> this has been my name over the net for a while
[09:52] <Flying-Llama> :)
[09:52] <WeirdAl> any ideas?
[09:52] <pestilence> WeirdAl: have you installed cups-devel support?
[09:53] <Flying-Llama> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=221510#post221510
[09:53] <WeirdAl> no
[09:53] <Flying-Llama> please help
[09:53] <pestilence> WeirdAl: there's your problem.
[09:53] <Flying-Penguin> anywho will anyone help a ubuntu nub install ati drivers?
[09:53] <WeirdAl> yes :)
[09:53] <pestilence> WeirdAl: apt-get install libcupsys2-dev
[09:53] <WeirdAl> thanks
[09:54] <vinux> pestilence, hey does apt-cache search on the internet or just on your hard drive?
[09:54] <pestilence> just on your hard drive
[09:54] <pestilence> but it knows a little about all the packages in the repositories you have in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:54] <Flying-Penguin> WeirdAl: yes to what?
[09:55] <WeirdAl> yes to there's my problem
[09:55] <Flying-Llama> "Income tax returns are the most imaginative fiction being written today."
[09:55] <Flying-Penguin> WeirdAl: nvm I see
[09:55] <Javi> Hi, Just burnned a live CD 5.04 and tried to boot. It goes until menu that ask language. Then keyboard stop working. I tried many boot options but same result. Went through Forums but found nothing. Can any body help.
[09:55] <optik> I cant find anything for gdk-pixbuf-2.0 in apt-cache
[09:55] <optik> any1 help?
[09:55] <Flying-Llama> check the md5 Javi
[09:55] <vinux> pestilence, is there a apt-command that searches for programs on the internet?
[09:55] <Javi> I have a Medion laptop AMD64. any idea?
[09:56] <Flying-Llama> Javi: check the iso's MD5
[09:56] <Flying-Llama> match it with the one on the net
[09:56] <pestilence> optik: libgdk-pixbuf-dev
[09:57] <Javi> Flying-Llama: thanks I will try it
[09:57] <Flying-Penguin> vinux: apt-get serches serten websites... if you have a gui try opening synaptic... it will help you
[09:57] <Flying-Llama> okay Javi :)
[09:57] <SQFreak> Javi: Try burning the CD as slow as possible. My FC4 disks all failed checksum and wouldn't install glibc (which is kinda important) when I burned them at 24x.
[09:57] <optik> pestilence:  already newest version
[09:57] <Flying-Penguin> hmm SQFreak: mine worked at 52X...
[09:57] <Flying-Llama> you were lucky...
[09:58] <pestilence> vinux: not really.
[09:58] <Flying-Penguin> probly true.
[09:58] <SQFreak> Flying-Penguin: Perhaps it was the media. But Ubuntu worked at 16x, while FC4 didn't.
[09:58] <SQFreak> On the same media. And the ISO md5s were right.
[09:59] <SQFreak> I don't care...
[09:59] <hisghetek> Couldn't stat source package list http://www.fruitsalad.org ./ Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.fruitsalad.org_kolab_server_release_kolab-server-2.0_ix86-debian3.0_._Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[09:59] <pestilence> optik: perhaps there isn't a v2.0 in ubuntu...dont' really know.
[09:59] <xxtreme> goldfish_ irssi is cool
[09:59] <vinux> Flying-Penguin, oh I know synaptic will I was just looking for a quick command on listing or searching for certian pkgs through apt-get. I did find out if you do ? after then program name it will list all the programs that was or could be installed as dependencies
[09:59] <Flying-Penguin> SQFreak: It is probly some weird combo of your burner and the media... back in the day I had to burn starcraft at 1x... :(
[09:59] <hisghetek> i wanna add "deb http://www.fruitsalad.org/kolab/server/release/kolab-server-2.0/ix86-debian3.0/ ./" to my sources list buit i cant get it to work
[09:59] <Flying-Llama> you know that little network applet in the top-right corner? where is its config file, i need to change something manually
[10:00] <pestilence> vinux: synaptic basically does "apt-cache search".  so try it out.
[10:00] <vinux> pestilence, ok cool thanks
[10:00] <Javi> SQFreak: thanks, I burnned CD at 16x
[10:00] <Flying-Llama> that little network applet in the top-right corner: where is its config file, i need to change something manually
[10:01] <justin> Flying-Llama: /etc/network/interfaces
[10:01] <Flying-Llama> thanks justin
[10:02] <lizardking> Some one try to install a webcam in linux?
[10:02] <lizardking> I have a trust familycam 500
[10:03] <Flying-Llama> SIOCGIFFLAGS error: no such file or device
[10:03] <Flying-Llama> when i click on the applet
[10:03] <vinux> lizardking, I was thinking about it
[10:04] <lizardking> thanks
[10:04] <Flying-Llama> how do i fix this?
[10:04] <lizardking> vinux, were are U from?
[10:04] <hisghetek> lizardking: my logitech messenger didnt work
[10:04] <vinux> lizardking, USA
[10:04] <lizardking> vinux, ok
[10:04] <lizardking> vinux, Italy
[10:04] <vinux> lizardking, nice
[10:04] <lizardking> vinux, do U think of my cam problem?
[10:04] <asadf> omg guys
[10:04] <lizardking> vinux, Florene ;)
[10:05] <lizardking> vinux, Florence ;)
[10:05] <Flying-Llama> SIOCGIFFLAGS error: no such file or device
[10:05] <asadf> how much hdd space do u need to install ubuntu?
[10:05] <Flying-Llama> depends
[10:05] <Lafitte-> cant login to share on samba as if i didnt make a user but i did    anyone good with this ?
[10:05] <vinux> lizardking, so did you find a program for your web cam?
[10:05] <socomm> asadf: Around 3 Gigabites.
[10:05] <asadf> well i have a 9.1 gig scsi set up
[10:05] <lizardking> vinux, Do U see your nick highlighted when I write you?
[10:05] <asadf> and i was intalling
[10:05] <asadf> it was taking foevver
[10:05] <Flying-Llama> hmm
[10:05] <asadf> then i get this error
[10:05] <vinux> lizardking, yes
[10:05] <socomm> asadf: That should be nough.
[10:05] <lizardking> vinux, ok
[10:05] <lizardking> vinux, i find GTKAM
[10:05] <asadf> not enough disk space
[10:05] <Flying-Llama> ?
[10:05] <lizardking> vinux, and...
[10:06] <asadf> and when i tried to copy remaining files to hdd
[10:06] <Flying-Llama> is it empty asadf
[10:06] <asadf> it says i need 400 mb in /var
[10:06] <lizardking> vinux, i find CAMORAMA
[10:06] <lizardking> this 2 program
[10:06] <lizardking> the problem is the driver
[10:06] <ompaul> asadf, how much room had you made available? and how had you paritioned the disk?
[10:06] <phinnaeys> heey can some help me with installing wine?
[10:06] <asadf> god
[10:06] <socomm> asadf: Is your HDD empty?
[10:06] <asadf> i need a 9x boot disk
[10:06] <asadf> ill start again
[10:06] <Flying-Llama> when I click on the network applet in the top right corner, I get: SIOCGIFFLAGS error: no such file or device, how do I fix this?
[10:06] <lizardking> vinux, I read my cam is supported but does not work!
[10:06] <asadf> well i had one partiion of 8 megs for DOS
[10:06] <socomm> asadf: It maybe that some other OS is taking up the space.
[10:07] <asadf> im just gonna use fdisk
[10:07] <asadf> remove all partitions
[10:07] <asadf> and create one
[10:07] <socomm> asadf: You sure it's 8 MB and not 8 GB?
[10:07] <ompaul> asadf, well that only leaves 1. for a linux disto - not really a good amount
[10:07] <asadf> and when it says to reformat
[10:07] <asadf> should i waste my ime doing it?
[10:07] <asadf> or will ubuntu setup take care of it
[10:07] <asadf> ?
[10:07] <lizardking> vinux, read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42789&highlight=webcam
[10:07] <phinnaeys> does anyone have any insight into installing wine?
[10:08] <Flying-Llama> when I click on the network applet in the top right corner, I get: SIOCGIFFLAGS error: no such file or device, how do I fix this?
[10:08] <ompaul> phinnaeys, apt-get install wine
[10:08] <socomm> phinnaeys: apt-get install wine
[10:08] <lizardking> vinux, Some help for Vinux and Lizard?
[10:08] <phinnaeys> i did that
[10:08] <debugger> can someone give me a tip of how to build a pkg from a deb source?
[10:08] <phinnaeys> it gives me some crap
[10:08] <lizardking> vinux, I found that
[10:08] <vinux> lizardking, nice smiley face :)
[10:08] <lizardking> vinux, look here
[10:08] <lizardking> vinux, http://www.linux.com/howtos/Webcam-HOWTO/devices.shtml
[10:09] <socomm> phinnaeys: Don't forget the wine tools as well `apt-get install winetools'.
[10:09] <ompaul> phinnaeys, well cut and paste 'the crap' as you call it into pastebin.ca and share the url with us all so we too may look at the entrails and see what we can fortell about your next move
[10:09] <phinnaeys> something like the package is not avalibleee
[10:09] <phinnaeys> okey dokey
[10:09] <lesliev> asdf: Ubuntu will create partitions - why not remove all of them?
[10:09] <lizardking> vinux, We must see if our chip of Cam is rilevable by kernel i Think
[10:09] <Flying-Llama> when I click on the network applet in the top right corner, I get: SIOCGIFFLAGS error: no such file or device, how do I fix this?
[10:10] <phinnaeys> here it is
[10:10] <phinnaeys> http://pastebin.ca/15403
[10:11] <ompaul> phinnaeys have a look at that ->> it tells you a full list of the text in my /etc/apt/sources.list http://pastebin.ca/15368
[10:11] <lesliev> Flying Llama: google is your friend! http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-11891.html
[10:11] <Flying-Llama> ahh thank you lesliev!
[10:11] <asadf> ya i made a 9x boot disk
[10:11] <asadf> im gonna remove all partitions
[10:11] <socomm> !restricted
[10:11] <ubotu> I heard restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:11] <ompaul> lesliev, na google is an evil mega corp with a great search engine :)
[10:11] <asadf> should i even bother creating ane?
[10:11] <lesliev> haha
[10:11] <socomm> phinnaeys: Follow that link.
[10:11] <vinux> lizardking, I wish it would work out of the box instead of recompiling stuff
[10:12] <asadf> lesliev?
[10:12] <lesliev> as long as MS doesn't buy google, it's your friend!
[10:12] <phinnaeys> ok
[10:12] <asadf> should i bother creating partions using fdsik
[10:12] <lesliev> ?
[10:12] <lesliev> asdf: no, don't bother
[10:12] <asadf> or shall i just rmeove them all and let ubuntu do it?
[10:12] <asadf> ok
[10:12] <asadf> ugg
[10:12] <socomm> asadf: If you don't plan on installing any other OS on that HDD I'd suggest just wiping the disk and dedicating it to Ubuntu.
[10:12] <asadf> this is gonna take forveer again
[10:12] <asadf> ya
[10:12] <lesliev> asdf: taking forever might be a messed up CD
[10:12] <asadf> i mean 9.1 gigs should be enough
[10:12] <asadf> its a scsi
[10:12] <lizardking> vinux, mee too
[10:12] <asadf> no
[10:12] <ompaul> asadf, no it won't unless the machine is well underpowered
[10:12] <lesliev> asdf: I have had that before
[10:13] <asadf> my cdrom writer is 32x!!
[10:13] <asadf> lol
[10:13] <lizardking> vinux, No one can help us :'(
[10:13] <vinux> lizardking, maybe they will work on that later
[10:13] <asadf> brb
[10:13] <lesliev> haha. Sometimes the CD is just on the verge of working, then it works, but very slowly.
[10:14] <Flying-Llama> only problem with http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-11891.html is that no one found a solution :\
[10:14] <ompaul> vinux,  what is not working for you?
[10:14] <davidosa> hello all
[10:15] <davidosa> I need some help
[10:15] <goldfish_> hi davidosa
[10:15] <goldfish_> ask away
[10:15] <ompaul> lesliev, well a working 52 speed would most likely cost about 20 euros / dollars or whatever
[10:15] <davidosa> I burned the .iso for ubuntu for powerPC
[10:15] <dajar> hey gues
[10:15] <dajar> guys
[10:15] <phinnaeys> hey how do i show my sources again?
[10:16] <dajar> do i have to install SMB support via synaptic
[10:16] <davidosa> to a CD, but how do I boot from it?
[10:16] <phinnaeys> sudo apt-get etc/apt/sources.list?
[10:16] <davidosa> or use it?
[10:16] <goldfish_> davidosa: what did you use to burn?
[10:16] <goldfish_> well
[10:16] <ompaul> phinnaeys, cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:16] <lizardking> vinux, I hope
[10:16] <lizardking> vinux, now i go
[10:16] <ompaul> phinnaeys, less /etc/apt/sources.list also works
[10:16] <goldfish_> davidosa: it should boot when u put it in the cd drive and boot up
[10:16] <lizardking> vinux, See U boyz
[10:16] <vinux> ompaul, me and lizardking was talking about installing a web cam. I haven't started doing it yet
[10:16] <hisghetek> is this thing valid?
[10:16] <davidosa> I downloaded the .iso from ubuntu.com and burned with Toast Titanium 6
[10:16] <hisghetek> deb http://www.fruitsalad.org/kolab/server/release/kolab-server-2.0/ix86-debian3.0/ ../
[10:17] <Flying-Llama> when I click on the network applet in the top right corner, I get: SIOCGIFFLAGS error: no such file or device, how do I fix this?
[10:17] <vinux> ompaul, oh no he left
[10:17] <davidosa> it doesn't boot
[10:18] <dajar> do you have your bios set to boot from cd?
[10:18] <davidosa> I don't know. how do I do that?
[10:18] <justin> davidosa: you mean for a mac?
[10:19] <davidosa> yes
[10:19] <dajar> do i have to install SMB support via synaptic anyone?
[10:19] <ompaul> vinux, such is the way of the world
[10:19] <dajar> or is thre another method
[10:19] <vinux> ompaul, yea nothing last forever well not in this world
[10:19] <ompaul> dajar, why would you want to do another way?
[10:19] <lesliev> Llama: seems like a bug. But the work-around is to start the device manually with ifup.
[10:20] <dajar> no i just dont know what package it is
[10:20] <socomm> !bios
[10:20] <ubotu> socomm: Are you smoking crack?
[10:20] <justin> davidosa: well, normally you would read the documentation that came with your computer, but you likely didn't get any.. for normal computers you figure it out from reading the bios screens as it starts, but macs don't have anything useful like that...
[10:20] <ompaul> vinux, I believe the other one (world) had a closing down sale last week then they all moved on to the next one
[10:20] <Flying-Llama> where is modprobe.conf?
[10:20] <justin> davidosa: you get to instead, in the method that is surely documented somewhere, hold down the 'c' key as you reboot
[10:20] <socomm> Flying-Llama: `wheris modprobe.conf'
[10:20] <Flying-Llama> ah
[10:20] <vinux> ompaul, hehe yea I baught some stuff from them
[10:20] <dajar> ive installed a couple but it doesnt seem to work
[10:21] <justin> Flying-Llama: you shouldn't be touching modprobe.conf
[10:21] <davidosa> thanks i'll try that now
[10:21] <Flying-Llama> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-39800.html
[10:21] <justin> dajar: 'a couple' 'it'?
[10:21] <ompaul> Flying-Llama, locate modprobe.conf <-- should also help where a file is not avialable to which
[10:21] <justin> Flying-Llama: fedora != ubuntu
[10:21] <dajar> i search synamitc for SMB
[10:21] <ompaul> Flying-Llama, whereis even
[10:22] <justin> dajar: good.. how many things returned say they are a server?
[10:22] <dajar> none
[10:22] <lesliev> Flying-Llama: Are you using a wireless device?
[10:22] <socomm> dajar: Search for samba, not SMB.
[10:22] <Flying-Llama> yes
[10:23] <Flying-Llama> airport
[10:23] <Flying-Llama> standard, 802.11b
[10:23] <lesliev> try ifconfig at the terminal and look if the device is up
[10:23] <dajar> none
[10:23] <davidosa> well, it does not boot from cd
[10:23] <socomm> I'm guessing Flying-Llama's kernel was compiled without the right set of drivers.
[10:23] <Flying-Llama> looks like it is
[10:23] <Flying-Llama> i didnt compile the kernel
[10:23] <debugger> can someone help me compiling a debian package? I'm trying to build this: http://www.lighttpd.net/download/.  I've downloaded the .dsc, .orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz.  but what should I do now?  I'm reading this http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html, but using dpkg-buildpackage fails because I don't have gcc nor the other dependencies needed to build lighttpd, so I tried to use apt-get build-dep but it didn't work out... any pointer
[10:23] <debugger> s please?
[10:23] <lesliev> then you don't need to mess with modprobe
[10:24] <Flying-Llama> okay
[10:24] <lesliev> the prob is that the card is not coming up at boot time
[10:24] <ompaul> debugger, apt-get install build-essential
[10:24] <lesliev> the drivers are fine
[10:24] <dajar> nothing that jumps out as a server with SMB or SAMBA
[10:24] <Flying-Llama> hmm
[10:24] <ompaul> debugger, and don't forget sudo :-)
[10:24] <lesliev> what is the interface name?
[10:24] <lesliev> (ie. eth0 etc.)
[10:24] <justin> dajar: search for 'description and name' not 'name'
[10:24] <Flying-Llama> eth2
[10:24] <Flying-Llama> eth1
[10:24] <Flying-Llama> woops
[10:24] <justin> dajar: or actually search for samba
[10:24] <Flying-Llama> its eth1
[10:25] <jmhodges> hey
[10:25] <jmhodges> my /etc/cups go deleted (long story)
[10:25] <lesliev> hey, if the card is up, are you still getting the SIO error?
[10:25] <jmhodges> i'm trying to make cupsys work again by reinstalling cupsys and some of its dependencies
[10:25] <Flying-Llama> lesliev: yes
[10:25] <ompaul> what is the editor that some people suggest in the place of idle?
[10:25] <socomm> vim
[10:25] <jmhodges> but cupsys.postinst says that /etc/cups/cupsd.conf does not exist and that since its changed it will not change it!
[10:25] <jmhodges> so :(
[10:25] <lesliev> hmm
[10:25] <jmhodges> what the heck can i do now?
[10:26] <lesliev> perhaps the network applet is using the wrong device
[10:26] <ompaul> socomm, not really the one I want :), :zz
[10:26] <socomm> You can do alot of things. :)
[10:26] <justin> jmhodges: dpkg -i the cupsys package with --force-confmiss
[10:26] <dajar> searched for samba name and description
[10:26] <Flying-Llama> lesliev: then how i check thaat
[10:26] <dajar> also search for samba server :P
[10:26] <ompaul> socomm, looking for one that is more assoicated with python
[10:26] <jmhodges> justin: ill give that a go
[10:26] <davidosa> does anyone know how I would boot from a cd containing the Live iso for powerPC of ubuntu?
[10:27] <justin> davidosa: I already told you
[10:27] <davidosa> I tried it justin
[10:27] <justin> davidosa: you didn't say that, did you?
[10:27] <Flying-Llama> Ah I fixed it!
[10:27] <davidosa> but for some reason,does not work
[10:28] <justin> davidosa: if you open the cd on the desktop now.. how many files does it have in it?
[10:28] <lesliev> FL: how?
[10:28] <Flying-Llama> rightclick the applet - properties - name: yo to lo
[10:28] <lesliev> aw man!
[10:28] <Flying-Llama> it was set to "yo"
[10:28] <Flying-Llama> lol
[10:28] <hisghetek> justin: did he hold down "c" did he "burn the iso" and not "burn the iso to a cd"?
[10:28] <davidosa> there's about 11 items
[10:28] <hisghetek> 11 items. good
[10:28] <black-whisp> hmm. anyone here able to help me with my direct rendering?? its set to no
[10:28] <lesliev> ok
[10:29] <dajar> ok when i do this
[10:29] <dajar> sudo gedit /etc/samba/smbusers
[10:29] <justin> davidosa: try holding down C one more time.. you have to start holding it down pretty early in the boot process
[10:29] <dajar> i get Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed.
[10:29] <asadf> omg
[10:29] <asadf> i haveta reformat my scsi
[10:29] <Trixsey> Hey!
[10:29] <Trixsey> How do I change font-size in MPlayer?
[10:29] <asadf> so it loads from cd rom
[10:29] <davidosa> I'll try that now as we speak....gimme 2 minutes
[10:30] <goldfish_> fish rule !
[10:30] <thechitowncubs> Is there anyway to see why when booting my computer after playing a game in windows it freezes on Starting Enterprise Volume Management System?
[10:31] <socomm> Trixsey: Try #mplayer.
[10:31] <thechitowncubs> The hard drive is constantly active during the startup and it never finishes
[10:31] <socomm> thechitowncubs: Try MS support line.
[10:31] <thechitowncubs> Is that a joke?
[10:31] <thechitowncubs> because It isn't a windows question
[10:32] <asadf> i had freaking 8 gigs on the installation before and it said it couldnt copy remaining files...
[10:32] <Flying-Llama> help: I go and set my ESSID and WEP, set to configure with DHCP, yet I get 0 signal
[10:32] <asadf> i just now used fdisk removed all partions, and now im formatting my scsi
[10:33] <lesliev> asdf: good!
[10:33] <asadf> will it work now man?
[10:33] <asadf> becuase i dont wanna wait hours again
[10:33] <socomm> thechitowncubs: Try `/var/log/syslog' perhaps?
[10:33] <ErikHK> My friend is installing Ubuntu, but the install prog wont find his SATA drive, and because I am a total gentleman I want to help him. So what does he have to do for the install program to find the drive?
[10:33] <davidosa> I just tried again, no luck booting from CD...now after I downloaded the .iso file I burned it as an ISO 9660 using Toast Titanium 6. maybe I burned it the wrong way?
[10:34] <asadf> david - umm set ur boot order
[10:34] <socomm> thechitowncubs: Or one of the log files under /var/log.
[10:34] <Flying-Llama> someone help: I go and set my ESSID and WEP, set to configure with DHCP, yet I get 0 signal
[10:34] <goldfish_> davidosa: sounds like it
[10:34] <asadf> david- go into bios, features, and thier an option to set boot order, set to cdrom first
[10:34] <ompaul> thechitowncubs, evms has a repair capability - once in Linux maybe launch the gui
[10:34] <lesliev> asdf: it should work! what was on there before, a couple of partitions?
[10:34] <asadf> thier was ONE 8 MEg parition for DOS!
[10:34] <Loevborg> um. is it possible that a/v synchronization is _terrible_ in totem/mplayer/... when using esd?
[10:35] <asadf> 8 meg not gig
[10:35] <asadf> so im not sure
[10:35] <davidosa> asdf.....i have a MAC
[10:35] <lesliev> Flying-Llama: Did you set the ESSID And WEP properly ;-)
[10:35] <asadf> speed?
[10:35] <Flying-Llama> lesliev: im pretty sure ;)
[10:35] <hisghetek> davidosa, is it an imac?
[10:35] <thechitowncubs> ompaul: how can i launch it?
[10:35] <goldfish_> Flying-Llama: tried setting a static ip ?
[10:35] <davidosa> no a PowerBook
[10:35] <asadf> i love this channel! so much help1!
[10:35] <Flying-Llama> well i dont know my ip by heart
[10:35] <asadf> thanks guys
[10:36] <lesliev> asdf: Try it now, it should work.
[10:36] <asadf> o a,
[10:36] <asadf> i am
[10:36] <asadf> the scsi is still formatting
[10:36] <asadf> its has too
[10:36] <goldfish_> Flying-Llama: emm, like 192.168.1.x or soemthing....
[10:36] <asadf> otherwise the cd wont boot
[10:36] <hisghetek> ive gotten the cd to boot from an imac
[10:36] <hisghetek> but never to install
[10:36] <asadf> thats ur router ip
[10:36] <IndExTo> spanish channel????????
[10:36] <IndExTo> spanish cahnnel???
[10:36] <goldfish_> IndExTo: ubuntu-es
[10:36] <Flying-Llama> goldfish: naa its a weird ip
[10:36] <goldfish_> Flying-Llama: k
[10:36] <Flying-Llama> ill boot into osx and copy it down
[10:37] <socomm> IndExTo: #ubuntu-es
[10:37] <lesliev> Flying-Llama: A wrong IP won't set your signal to 0. And a right IP won't fix it.
[10:37] <hisghetek> i really hate people who do the multiple question mark thing
[10:37] <Flying-Llama> hmm
[10:37] <goldfish_> hisghetek: what ?????????????????? :)
[10:37] <Flying-Llama> something strange is here...
[10:37] <socomm> hisghetek: Why?????
[10:37] <ompaul> thechitowncubs, I saw a screen shot on the web - that is all I know about it
[10:37] <ompaul> :-)
[10:37] <lesliev> FL: Even SSID won't do that, sounds like your WEP config is wrong.
[10:37] <goldfish_> Flying-Llama: get your default gateway too.
[10:37] <goldfish_> oooh
[10:37] <Flying-Llama> lesliev: huh?
[10:37] <goldfish_> crack the wep :)
[10:38] <Flying-Llama> how?
[10:38] <Lafitte-> ErikHK,  read here https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallingUbuntuOnaDell8400
[10:38] <Flying-Llama> its 13 characters long, nothing wrong with that right?
[10:38] <lesliev> FL: Don't know how to set WEP on Linux ;-) - never done it.
[10:38] <jason> does anyone here use a belkin router?
[10:38] <lesliev> FL: Depends on the other computer. Is it that long on the other?
[10:38] <Flying-Llama> well i just go in network config and enter it in...
[10:38] <debugger> ompaul, ah thx.
[10:39] <Flying-Llama> lesliev: on the other computer? its the same wep for every computer....
[10:39] <debugger> ompaul, how about a way of automaticaly installing the binaries that the source that I'm trying to build depends on?
[10:39] <lesliev> FL: In the WEP I have configured, you have to set the WEP key length on each machine
[10:39] <pete__> hi
[10:39] <davidosa> well lunch break is over. i'll fiddle with it at home.
[10:39] <kinderzunge> can someone tell me the most userUNfriendly new Distribution
[10:39] <Flying-Llama> uhhh
[10:40] <mdipi> hey all
[10:40] <Flying-Llama> you have to tell the computer how long it is?
[10:40] <Flying-Llama> its a passcode, with letters
[10:40] <lesliev> kinderzinge: perhaps Slackware? Any really old or really minimal distro would also do.
[10:40] <goldfish_> not just letters
[10:40] <Flying-Llama> goldfish: i chose the wep
[10:40] <pete__> is there somebody expert in NFS?
[10:40] <kinderzunge> thanks lesliev
[10:40] <Flying-Llama> in osx
[10:41] <goldfish_> Flying-Llama: hmm ok.
[10:41] <Flying-Llama> when you create a new network, you set a pass
[10:41] <Flying-Llama> like an account
[10:41] <goldfish_> alrighty
[10:41] <orospakr> is the amd64 asterisk package broken? it seems to segfault on me whenever someone hangs up a call.
[10:41] <Flying-Llama> so should i get my ip and set it static?
[10:41] <lesliev> FL: Is there a place to specify the key length? Some cards can do 64 bit, some 128, some 152
[10:41] <Flying-Llama> 128bit
[10:41] <Flying-Llama> but i dont think so
[10:41] <goldfish_> Flying-Llama: hmmm, im not sure, someone said it looks like your wep setup is wrong....
[10:42] <Flying-Llama> hmm...
[10:42] <pete__> i have problems with programs acquiring lock on  a file on the user's home, the /home is nfs mounted. both client and server is debian sarge
[10:42] <ompaul> debugger, usually if you install all the repostiaries then you can get any package that is supported - if it is not then there usually is something that does that job :) and I would use that - any way if you want a list of repositiaries  : www.pastebin.ca/15368 is a list of the ones I use
[10:42] <jason> can anyone tell me how to setup my belkin router on a different port?
[10:42] <Flying-Llama> it works fine in osx
[10:42] <goldfish_> Flying-Llama: you could try, also note down your default gateway.
[10:42] <lesliev> 128 bit allows 16 chars, but as long as each computer is wanting a 128 bit key, it should be ok
[10:42] <fetman> is there a skype-clone in ubuntu?
[10:42] <Flying-Llama> well i think its automatic
[10:42] <fetman> clone or the real ting
[10:43] <goldfish_> Flying-Llama: i assume 'iwconfig' lists your interface?
[10:43] <Flying-Llama> anyway, ill just get my ip and gateway (router) in osx and copy it down
[10:43] <lesliev> FL: ok
[10:43] <Flying-Llama> yes goldfish_
[10:43] <goldfish_> Flying-Llama: yeah do.
[10:43] <Flying-Llama> k
[10:43] <Flying-Llama> 'rebooting...
[10:43] <goldfish_> kk
[10:43] <pete__> fetman:  dunno, but they have debian packages
[10:44] <gralves> Hello, I'm trying to install ubuntu on an old G3 imac (32Mb RAM) and I'm having a lot of trouble because of the low memory. Could someone give me some directions?
[10:44] <fetman> pete__: ok?
[10:44] <pete__> fetman:  it works on sarge
[10:44] <Flying-Llama> gravles: thats a bit old...
[10:44] <fetman> pete__: mhm, can I install it just like that then?
[10:44] <pete__> fetman:  just dont do it on nfs mounten /home 's :)
[10:44] <goldfish_> fetman: apt-cache search "skype"
[10:44] <fetman> pete__: ok, why not?
[10:44] <gralves> flying-llama: it's REALLY old :)
[10:44] <chrissturm> gravles: better use xfce4 instead of gnome
[10:45] <fetman> goldfish_: find noting
[10:45] <goldfish_> hmmm
[10:45] <goldfish_> fetman: have u added te extra repos?
[10:45] <goldfish_> *the
[10:45] <socomm> fluxbox instead of xfce4
[10:45] <goldfish_> yeah, fluxbox
[10:45] <fetman> goldfish_: hmm, no?
[10:45] <hisghetek> socomm: seriously though. why is it that people who dont speak english do the question mark thing?
[10:45] <goldfish_> !repos
[10:45] <ubotu> goldfish_: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[10:45] <fetman> goldfish_: or, you mean multiverse and universe?
[10:45] <goldfish_> !repositories
[10:45] <ubotu> hmm... repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[10:45] <goldfish_> fetman: yeah....
[10:45] <socomm> hisghetek: Different languages have different punctuation.
[10:45] <gralves> Flying-Llama: I'm having trouble completting the installation
[10:45] <Flying-Llama> hmm on booting into ubuntu i see it take a while "setting up network interfaces"
[10:46] <hisghetek> thats some serious punctuation...
[10:46] <Flying-Llama> gravles: i just think it needs more ram
[10:46] <fetman> goldfish_: deb http://dk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted multiverse universe
[10:46] <gralves> I didn't even got to the point where I could start installing stuff into it
[10:46] <fetman> goldfish_: and anotherone for source
[10:46] <Dj_AlTeK> hey all
[10:46] <jward> hi all... just completing my first install... the update manager is just installing the update :)
[10:46] <Flying-Llama> gravles: unless you dont use gnome
[10:46] <pete__> fetman:  because of locking problems on NFS volumes
[10:46] <goldfish_> fetman: ah right, hmmm
[10:46] <asadf> trying to install greatest linux at the moment
[10:46] <fetman> pete__: okok
[10:46] <fetman> pete__: well, have none
[10:47] <abbe80> hmmm, I am trying to install eclipse...where should I install it so that all ppl who use my computer can run eclipse ?
[10:47] <Flying-Llama> my ip is 10.0.1.5, is this normal?
[10:47] <goldfish_> Flying-Llama: yeah, 10.x.x.x is a private network afaik
[10:47] <Dj_AlTeK> hey how do i get java installed using the root terminal??
[10:48] <goldfish_> Flying-Llama: what was your default gateway?
[10:48] <gralves> Flying-Llama: if you are behind a NAT router its ok
[10:48] <jward> btw .. I checked the unofficial install guide and it includes non-ubuntu sources... are they safe as I've heard you can end up in dependancy hell.
[10:48] <Flying-Llama> 10.0.1.1
[10:48] <Flying-Llama> oh
[10:48] <Flying-Llama> eth1
[10:48] <Flying-Llama> my wireless
[10:48] <Flying-Llama> is eth1
[10:48] <goldfish_> Flying-Llama: heh
[10:48] <fetman> goldfish_: I should find skype when I add multiverse and universe?
[10:48] <goldfish_> fetman: maybe :)
[10:48] <goldfish_> oh
[10:49] <asadf> OK
[10:49] <asadf> guys
[10:49] <asadf> i need help now
[10:49] <asadf> im at the step...
[10:49] <goldfish_> fetman: packages.ubuntu.org
[10:49] <asadf> partition disks
[10:49] <asadf> i dont have raid
[10:49] <goldfish_> fetman: search there see if there is a package for it.
[10:49] <asadf> so im not gonna sdo that
[10:49] <chrissturm> goldfish_, no skype in multiverse or universe, get the deb from skype.com
[10:49] <asadf> configure logical volume manager?
[10:49] <chrissturm> oops, that was for fetman
[10:49] <asadf> guided partitioning?
[10:49] <goldfish_> chrissturm: :)
[10:49] <fetman> goldfish_: found it on the skype webpage for debian and ubuntu
[10:49] <Flying-Llama> hmm when i type in my ip (10.0.1.5) it automatically puts 250.0.0.0 as subnet, but in osx it says 255.255.255.0
[10:49] <goldfish_> cool
[10:49] <fetman> lol chrissturm
[10:50] <Dj_AlTeK> goldfish_: How do I get a java.bin file installed using the root terminal
[10:50] <thomas__> Im running a Breezy test and I cant switch to a terminal using Ctrl-Alt-F1 - F6. My _XKB_RULES_NAMES = "xorg" , "pc104" , "GB" , "", "" All looks ok to me, anyone know if there is a problem with it?
[10:50] <pete__> so, has anybody tested ubuntu with nfs mounted /home directoryes?
[10:50] <gralves> Can someone point me to a doc that explain how to install just a base ubuntu system? I'm having  a lot of trouble getting past the installation on that imac...
[10:50] <fetman> pete__: no, it was so unstable ;)
[10:50] <jward> omg .. this feels so slick when you compare it to Fedora Core 4.
[10:50] <asadf> this is what it says guys
[10:50] <goldfish_> Flying-Llama: ifconfig eth1 10.0.1.5 mask 255.255.255.0
[10:50] <chrissturm> gravles: at the boot prompt enter "server"
[10:50] <Flying-Llama> k goldfish_
[10:51] <asadf> Erase entire dick : SCSI1 (0,1,0) (sda) - 9.1 GB
[10:51] <asadf> i mean disk
[10:51] <asadf> omg
[10:51] <asadf> sorry
[10:51] <goldfish_> Flying-Llama: ifconfig shows eth1, yes?
[10:51] <Flying-Llama> yes
[10:51] <Dj_AlTeK> ne1 know how to install a .bin file in ubuntu??
[10:51] <pete__> fetman:  NFS is ok, rock solid
[10:51] <goldfish_> Flying-Llama: kk
[10:51] <Flying-Llama> mask: hostname lookup failure
[10:51] <asadf> goldfish u know
[10:51] <Flying-Llama> hmm
[10:51] <asadf> i used fdisk
[10:51] <asadf> got rid of all my partiitons
[10:51] <pete__> Dj_AlTeK:  chmod 777 ./the-stuff.bin
[10:51] <goldfish_> Dj_AlTeK: you run it, sh blah.bin , but its messy if you want to uninstall it.
[10:52] <asadf> formatted the scsi
[10:52] <nalioth> Dj_AlTeK: execute it
[10:52] <gralves> chrissturm: I got a low memory warning...
[10:52] <lesliev> asdf: guided partitioning
[10:52] <goldfish_> Flying-Llama: hmmmm
[10:52] <Flying-Llama> it says mask: hostname lookup failure
[10:52] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: you still after the wireless?
[10:52] <Flying-Llama> ay
[10:52] <Flying-Llama> ya
[10:52] <Flying-Llama> lol
[10:52] <goldfish_> :)
[10:52] <justin> Flying-Llama: just run ifconfig eth1 10.0.1.5
[10:52] <Flying-Llama> k
[10:52] <Flying-Llama> lol nalioth
[10:52] <pete__> no NFS experiences?
[10:53] <Flying-Llama> justin: i still have no signal
[10:53] <nalioth> how y'all doin today? (besides the llama)
[10:53] <goldfish_> Flying-Llama: route add defaut gw 10.0.1.1
[10:53] <Flying-Llama> k
[10:54] <justin> Flying-Llama: well typing random ifconfig commands isn't going to help you if your not even associated to the AP
[10:54] <Dj_AlTeK> nalioth: its jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin.... i also have the rpm. but when i try to execute it, i get a prompt saying "the file name 'jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin' indicates that this file is of type 'unknown'" with some more bs
[10:54] <goldfish_> oh ffs.
[10:54] <goldfish_> justin: my fault, i thought he was associated.
[10:54] <nalioth> Dj_AlTeK: have you been to ubotus statement?
[10:54] <Flying-Llama> SIOCADDRT: File exists
[10:54] <nalioth> !Java
[10:54] <ubotu> java is, like, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java
[10:55] <Dj_AlTeK> thanx
[10:55] <nalioth> Dj_AlTeK: let me know how you progress
[10:55] <Dj_AlTeK> nalioth: will do, thanx
[10:55] <Flying-Llama> goldfish_: on route add defaut gw 10.0.1. it says SIOCADDRT: File exists
[10:56] <justin> Flying-Llama: your access point doesn't use dhcp?
[10:56] <Flying-Llama> it does justin
[10:56] <Flying-Llama> i use it in osx
[10:56] <Flying-Llama> all automatic
[10:56] <justin> Flying-Llama: then why are you trying to set it up manually?
[10:56] <Flying-Llama> because it just doesnt work, dunno why
[10:56] <Flying-Llama> i get 0 signal
[10:56] <nalioth> justin: he's got an ibook that won't play well with ubuntu (airport card)
[10:57] <justin> well if dhcp isn't working, then setting it up manually definitely won't either
[10:57] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, still no luck with it..?
[10:57] <Flying-Llama> nope Seveas ;)
[10:57] <justin> Flying-Llama: what does iwconfig say?
[10:57] <Flying-Llama> lol
[10:57] <jward> what is the easy to get mp3 support in rhythmbox?
[10:57] <Flying-Llama> it tells me stuff of eth1
[10:57] <Flying-Llama> eth1 is my wireless card
[10:57] <Seveas> jward, installing gstreamer0.8-mad
[10:58] <Seveas> jward: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[10:58] <Flying-Llama> but nowhere does it say my pass
[10:58] <Flying-Llama> should it?
[10:58] <black-whisp> hmm. when i try to install the ati driver it conflicts with the libGL.so.1.2 what can i do about that???
[10:58] <jward> thank you for your assistance.
[10:58] <nalioth> jward: listen to ubotu
[10:58] <nalioth> !Restricted
[10:58] <ubotu> hmm... restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[10:58] <lesliev> black-whisp: you may have other video card drivers installed
[10:58] <justin> Flying-Llama: does it have the correct ESSID and mac address of the access point?
[10:58] <justin> black-whisp: when you try how?
[10:59] <Flying-Llama> well i dont know if thats the correct MAC address
[10:59] <black-whisp> justin: dpkg -i driver.deb
[10:59] <Seveas> black-whisp, why?
[10:59] <Seveas> the ati driver is in the restricted-modules package
[10:59] <Flying-Llama> Access Point: 44:44:44:44:44
[10:59] <Seveas> black-whisp: You can read all about binary-only driver issues on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:59] <justin> Flying-Llama: all 4's means that it is not associated
[10:59] <Flying-Llama> hmm
[11:00] <Flying-Llama> it isnt connecting to my access point...
[11:00] <dajar> ok everythings working
[11:00] <justin> ooh, 5, no more worky for me :-)
[11:00] <Flying-Llama> my access point is 802.11g, a broadcam one
[11:00] <Seveas> Flying-Llama, thr turning the encryption off temporarily
[11:00] <Seveas> try*
[11:00] <nalioth> Flying-Llama: should make 0 difference what the AP is
[11:00] <gralves> trying-to-install-on-an-old-g3: The system locked on the Detecting hardware phase. Switching to F3 console i get a  bunch of resolv debug errors
[11:00] <Flying-Llama> ill have to contact the "administrator
[11:01] <dajar> apart from a program im trying to compile thats looking for mysql.h
[11:01] <Flying-Llama> hes paranoid
[11:01] <nalioth> Seveas: even with encryption, it should still be 'visible', right?
[11:01] <dajar> and i carnt find it at all :(
[11:01] <Flying-Llama> prolly wont let me
[11:01] <Seveas> dajar, what is that program?
[11:01] <dajar> a MUD that connects to mysql as a database
[11:01] <gralves> Is there a way to set a swap partition before starting the installation so I can use the swap memory during it?
[11:02] <dajar> we dont have mysql.h in our directory
[11:02] <dajar> so it must be on our old hosts server
[11:02] <Flying-Llama> what is loopback?
[11:02] <dajar> and i carnt find it anywhere
[11:02] <nalioth> gralves: if you were able to switch logins windows, it wasn't 'locked'. how much time did you give it?
[11:02] <Seveas> dajar, you need libmysqlclient10-dev
[11:02] <Seveas> or 12-dev or 14-dev
[11:02] <Seveas> depends on which version of the lib you want to use
[11:02] <dajar> do i apt get it
[11:02] <nalioth> gralves: re swap: are you dual booting?
[11:02] <gralves> about 10min
[11:02] <Seveas> dajar, yes, what i gave you are the packagenames
[11:03] <dajar> i wsih you could copy and paste in this irc client
[11:03] <gralves> nalioth: no, I'm planning to install only ubuntu on this
[11:03] <nalioth> gralves: ok do you have a ubuntu live CD for ppc?
[11:03] <Dj_AlTeK> nalioth: i downloaded it from http://ubuntu.tower-net.de/ubuntu/dists/warty/, but when i double click on it, I get a message saying: "Couldn't display '/home/usr/Desktop/downlo...sun-j2re1.4_1.4.2+06_i386.deb' there was an error launching the application"
[11:03] <nalioth> gralves: if not, you should be able to switch consoles and run cfdisk from the install disk
[11:04] <gralves> yes, I have both the install and live cds
[11:04] <Flying-Llama> the "administrator" of the network is paranoid and doesnt want to turn off encryption and all that even for a second....
[11:04] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, try dpkg -i sun.....deb
[11:04] <nalioth> Dj_AlTeK: ok lets go back to your bin you d/l from sun
[11:04] <nalioth> Dj_AlTeK: can you use a terminal?
[11:04] <Dj_AlTeK> yea
[11:04] <dajar> i thinkt hat works
[11:04] <dajar> thats a lot :)
[11:04] <Dj_AlTeK> nalioth: yes, both regular and root
[11:04] <Seveas> yw :)
[11:04] <lama> what now?
[11:05] <lama> guess ill just never have internet....
[11:05] <lama> guess ill just erase ubuntu and go back to osx...
[11:05] <lama> :(
[11:05] <nalioth> Dj_AlTeK: you can do what seveas said first, or in a terminal get to the directory of the java*.bin and type "chmod +x java-whatever-blah.bin"
[11:05] <kong0> osx is good...
[11:05] <lama> i know
[11:05] <lama> tiger is great
[11:05] <lama> i was just curious about linux
[11:05] <nalioth> lama: better than goin back to winduhs
[11:05] <lama> ya lol
[11:06] <Seveas> lama, try again in a few months with breezy
[11:06] <lama> okay
[11:06] <lama> I will
[11:06] <kong0> i dont rally know any differences between tiger and panther...
[11:06] <Seveas> having experienced linux is a Good Thing(tm)
[11:06] <lama> kong0: spotlight for one
[11:06] <Seveas> Burgundavia, eth are you doing?
[11:06] <Seveas> wth*
[11:06] <Seveas> hi housetier
[11:07] <gralves> nalioth: I'll try killing the install process, partitioning the disk by hand, activating the swap and start again
[11:07] <nalioth> gralves: sounds like a plan
[11:07] <Burgundavia> Seveas, debugging an xchat bug
[11:07] <lesliev> lama: still think your WEP is wrong. But can't help more.
[11:07] <Seveas> Burgundavia, ah :)
[11:07] <housetier> moin Seveas
[11:07] <Burgundavia> Seveas, right-click and watch it crash
[11:07] <lama> lesliev: what do you mean by wrong? i typed it in wrong?
[11:07] <Seveas> Burgundavia, never happened to me
[11:08] <nalioth> lesliev: i still say you have to see it b4 you can type a WEP key
[11:08] <Seveas> housetier, i still owe you for pointing me to ubuntu in september last year :)
[11:08] <abbe80> hmmm, I am trying to install eclipse...where should I install it so that all ppl who use my computer can run eclipse ? /usr/local/eclipse ?
[11:08] <lesliev> lama: Heh. No, some other WEP setting. Unless your caps is on!
[11:08] <lama> heh
[11:08] <nalioth> abbe80: /usr/local/wherever is good
[11:09] <envel> is there any program similar to kalarm but uses gnome?
[11:09] <abbe80> ok
[11:09] <dajar> how do i find out my i.p.
[11:09] <ThE__OnE> how do i insall a C compiler
[11:09] <dajar> ipconfig is different i think
[11:10] <evo> guys, i'm having some problems getting mysql support in mod_php, i've read that there is a package php4-mysql but when i update my package list, i dont seem to have it
[11:10] <nalioth> ThE__OnE: install "build-essential"
[11:10] <dajar> The_One use synaptic and install gc++
[11:10] <nalioth> dajar: ifconfig
[11:10] <dajar> if thanks
[11:10] <goldfish_> dajar: your external ip ?
[11:10] <goldfish_> nm
[11:10] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, sudo aptitude install build-essential
[11:10] <ThE__OnE> k thx
[11:10] <jason> does anyone know how i can find out which port my router is using?
[11:10] <zyth> Linux: 53453490 ways to do the same thing.
[11:10] <goldfish_> jason: nmap it.
[11:10] <Dj_AlTeK> lol zyth
[11:10] <\sh> jason, what port?
[11:10] <dajar> well im behind a router
[11:11] <dajar> and i need people to connect to my server
[11:11] <envel> I need program that similar to xmms-alarm plugin but uses GTK2
[11:11] <dajar> i guess i give them my router ip
[11:11] <dajar> and foward the port
[11:11] <jason> goldfish: just type nmap?
[11:11] <lama> im out for now, bye all and thanks for all the help :)
[11:11] <Dj_AlTeK> i just want to find out how to install .bin files in ubuntu! :*(
[11:11] <zyth> .bin? eh?
[11:11] <Dj_AlTeK> yea
[11:11] <housetier> Seveas ubuntu's been out that long already?
[11:11] <zyth> that's not a format... for an installable file
[11:11] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, the java.bin should *not* be installed manually....
[11:12] <Dj_AlTeK> ...
[11:12] <lesliev> lama: bye!
[11:12] <housetier> time flies!
[11:12] <jason> \sh, i need to know whcih pot my bekin router is using.
[11:12] <Seveas> lol housetier indeed
[11:12] <goldfish_> jason: emmm, are u in gnome? there should be a thing in the menu called network tools, and a port scan tab, then type in the ip of your router and scan it.
[11:12] <evo> can somoene give me a hand with getting mysql support in php?
[11:12] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, you had a debfile too isn't it?
[11:12] <Dj_AlTeK> yea
[11:12] <jason> goldfish_, yhx
[11:12] <jason> goldfish_, thx
[11:12] <\sh> jason, I think all ports ;) between 1 and 65535...depends on the service u try to connect to
[11:12] <nalioth> Dj_AlTeK: did the "chmod +x java.blah.bin" not work?
[11:12] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, run sudo dpkg -i <the filename of that debfile>
[11:13] <Seveas> and ditch the .bin file
[11:13] <nalioth> Seveas: i'm confused about the java instructions, then
[11:13] <Seveas> nalioth, he downloaded a .deb created with these instructions
[11:13] <nalioth> Seveas: i've been installing the java-blah.bin on everyones x86 ubuntu box i install, and no problems
[11:13] <Seveas> nalioth, do not do that!
[11:13] <jason> \sh, i am trying to find out because when i type in the web address of my web page or type /localhost/, it brings up my router set up page
[11:14] <Seveas> that gives you hell when you want to install 2 versions of it
[11:14] <Dj_AlTeK> seveas: i just tried dpkg -i sun-j2re...deb using the root terminal
[11:14] <\sh> Seveas, u made a decision for the NewUsersNetwork? ,-)
[11:14] <Seveas> nalioth, use make-jpkg
[11:14] <evo> guys, i'm having some problems getting mysql support in mod_php, i've read that there is a package php4-mysql but when i update my package list, i dont seem to have it
[11:14] <Seveas> \sh, no
[11:14] <\sh> jason, then it uses 127.0.0.1 ;) cause localhost is 127.0.0.1
[11:14] <nalioth> Seveas: now i'm really confused.
[11:14] <Mez> nalioth :D why not just use the one from backports?
[11:14] <kong0> how do i fix subs in totem?
[11:14] <Seveas> evo, enable universe
[11:14] <nalioth> Mez: cuz i avoid bp
[11:15] <\sh> Seveas, but "NUN" is really groovy ;)
[11:15] <jason> \sh, your saying my router uses 127.0.0.1?
[11:15] <Seveas> nalioth, the one and only true instructions for java are:
[11:15] <Seveas> nalioth: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[11:15] <Seveas> and Dj_AlTeK had a .deb file that was generated using these instructions (I know the tower.net deb)
[11:15] <\sh> jason, if you say: http://localhost/ gives your routers homepage, then it uses localhost and localhost is always 127.0.0.1 and the server is on port 80
[11:15] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, good! you now have java installed
[11:15] <Mez> \sh why bring up "NUN" ?
[11:16] <Dj_AlTeK> actually seveas, i dont
[11:16] <Seveas> not?
[11:16] <\sh> Mez, cause yesterday during the CC meeting I said "NewUsersNetwork" for your idea of NewbieNetwork or something ;)
[11:16] <Seveas> what went wrong?
[11:16] <kong0> nobody knows how to get subs working in totem?
[11:16] <jason> \sh, so your saying both my router and my apache server are BOTH using port 80?
[11:16] <Mez> yeha, but why bring itup here and now - I didnt see Seveas say anything
[11:17] <\sh> jason, only your apache .. your router is at least your webserver
[11:17] <Mez> and i think it was Mark's idea not anyone elses :D me and nalioth putting it into action though
[11:17] <\sh> jason, i don't really know...can be many things..
[11:17] <Seveas> Mez, i put that shortcut on the wiki though :)
[11:17] <Mez> lol
[11:17] <jason> \sh..so which port is my router using?
[11:17] <Dj_AlTeK> Seveas: Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:17] <Dj_AlTeK>  sun-j2re1.5
[11:17] <\sh> Mez, it was my idea;)
[11:17] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, hmm..
[11:18] <\sh> Mez, and mark said: "nice idea" or whatever ;)
[11:18] <Seveas> ok, do you still have the .bin file?
[11:18] <\sh> jason, 80
[11:18] <Mez> oh, fair enough \sh... I coudlnt remember I dont have logs :D
[11:18] <\sh> Mez, where is the wiki page for it? :)
[11:18] <Seveas> Mez, p.u.c/~fabbione/irclogs
[11:18] <Mez> you joining \sh ?
[11:18] <kong0> does vobsub work in linux?
[11:18] <jason> \sh, then that's why i get my router's homepage wehn i try to access my web page, right?
[11:18] <\sh> Mez, this initiative could be even good for #ubuntu-de and all channels
[11:19] <catch> hi, if I need to get the original configs out of the .deb file for libapache2-mod-auth-pam how would i do that? (It asked me if i wanted to over write the exisiting file and i said no, i re-ran it and it wouldn't let me do it again)
[11:19] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, do you still have the .bin file?
[11:19] <Mez> \sh :D cool :D
[11:19] <\sh> jason, proxyserver? wrong iptable settings?
[11:19] <goldfish_> jason: you have apache installed?
[11:19] <Mez> \sh - #ubuntu-newbie
[11:19] <Seveas> catch, you can simply un-ar a debfile
[11:19] <Dj_AlTeK> yea
[11:19] <Dj_AlTeK> seveas: yea
[11:19] <catch> Seveas un-ar?
[11:19] <Seveas> catch, man ar :)
[11:19] <catch> thanks
[11:19] <gralves> trying-to-install-on-an-old-imacg3: killing the install process and mounting the swap seems to have worked. But now it keeps telling my to download installer components. What should I choose?
[11:19] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, ok, run these commands in the root shell:
[11:19] <jason> goldfish_, yes..my web page is http://impervious/no-ip.info/
[11:19] <Dj_AlTeK> k
[11:20] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install fakeroot java-package
[11:20] <goldfish_> jason: and that opens your router config?
[11:20] <Seveas> fakeroot make-jpkg j2sdk......bin
[11:21] <Dj_AlTeK> seveas: should the command run together?
[11:21] <goldfish_> jason: have you forwarded port 80 on your router to your computer?
[11:22] <brodmann> can anyone get on the www.ubuntuguide.org site?
[11:23] <Dj_AlTeK> seveas: the .bin file I have is: jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin
[11:23] <synd> hey guys im looking for a PCMCIA card for my toshiba laptop w/ ubuntu
[11:23] <flankk> anyone here used icecast from the universal repositories?
[11:23] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, i typed 2 lines, each line is a single command
[11:23] <synd> whats that site that lists what all is out of the box compatible with ubuntu?
[11:23] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install fakeroot java-package
[11:23] <Seveas> fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_02-linux-i586.bin
[11:24] <goldfish_> synd: wiki.ubuntulinux.org , in the hardware section i think
[11:24] <Dj_AlTeK> seveas: after i execute the first command, it asks me if I want to continue, should I ?
[11:24] <nalioth> synd: google 'linux hardware compatibility"
[11:24] <synd> nalioth: i f'ed up my ubuntu boxen
[11:25] <nalioth> synd: so i heard
[11:25] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, yes
[11:25] <scorpix> is it safe to update libstdc++6 from backports in hoary?
[11:25] <bronson> Anyone know how much trouble it would be to run the badram patch on Ubuntu?
[11:26] <bronson> Small areas of both my DIMMs are bad.
[11:26] <Seveas> bronson, get the ubuntu kernel sources and kernel-package, patch the sourcetree, run make-kpkg to generate a debfile and done
[11:26] <synd> nalioth: i think its just my power supply
[11:26] <jason> goldfish_, yes i ahve
[11:26] <synd> nalioth: i cant tell if i fried the mboard or not
[11:26] <goldfish_> jason: hmmmmmm
[11:26] <bronson> Seveas: yup.  Just takes a while to compile.
[11:26] <bronson> I was hoping they'd already added the patch.
[11:27] <jason> goldfish_, i have forwardede it successfully, the ptoblem is just that i cannot view my webpage using the web address or /localhost/.
[11:27] <bronson> How come that's not in the kernel proper yet?  Seems quite useful and non-intrusive to me...
[11:27] <jason> goldfish_, can you see it?
[11:27] <ThE__OnE> how can i open one of those diamond shaped things?
[11:27] <goldfish_> jason: emmm, i have no X right now or browser, one second.
[11:27] <beck2> hi
[11:28] <Dj_AlTeK> Seveas: i ran the second command that you told me to and it said: make-jpkg:command not found
[11:28] <black-whisp> can anyone help me, every time i change the driver from ati to fglrx in my xorg config file my X freeze at boot time. :S
[11:28] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, then you might have made a typo in the first command
[11:28] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, apt-get install java-package
[11:29] <Dj_AlTeK> Seveas: i tried it without the dash between make and jpkg and i got:No rule to make target `jpkg'.  Stop.
[11:29] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, that's normal :)
[11:29] <ThE__OnE> anyone know how i can open the diamond shaped files?
[11:29] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, do you have multiverse enabled..?
[11:29] <goldfish_> diamond shaped?
[11:29] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, huh??
[11:29] <Dj_AlTeK> how do i enable multiverse?
[11:29] <Seveas> files have no shape :)
[11:30] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:30] <ThE__OnE> the icon
[11:30] <goldfish_> ThE__OnE: use the terminal !!! :)
[11:30] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:30] <beck2> anybody play [ed]   Kohan immortal [sth] ..????
[11:30] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, what is the filename of one of these files?
[11:30] <ThE__OnE> nmap
[11:30] <goldfish_> hmmmmm
[11:30] <unreal> heh, gotta love that
[11:30] <goldfish_> you run nmap from a terminal.
[11:30] <ThE__OnE> /usr/local/bin/nmap
[11:31] <ThE__OnE> how?
[11:31] <bronson> File a bug to request adding the badram patch to the kernel.
[11:31] <bronson> Yea / Nay?
[11:31] <goldfish_> ThE__OnE: open a terminal, and run 'nmap'
[11:31] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, that file is an executable
[11:31] <unreal> almost sh*tting yourself when getting "Access denied" after attempting to login because the caps lock was unknowingly turned on :P
[11:31] <Seveas> and indeed, you need the terminal to use it
[11:31] <Seveas> lol unreal :)
[11:32] <samuel> sup all
[11:32] <samuel> anyone know of ubuntu conforms to the freedesktop.org spec?
[11:32] <ThE__OnE> ya, i someopne told me to scan myself with it
[11:32] <samuel> will smeg work for debian menus?
[11:32] <Seveas> samuel, as much as possible to some of the specs
[11:32] <ThE__OnE> i dont know why
[11:32] <bronson> samuel: most of them.
[11:32] <Seveas> freedesktop.org has a lot of specs
[11:32] <samuel> the menu spec
[11:33] <beck2> when i play Kohan, it turns refreshRate to 87HZ.. i want it to be 85hz.. how to do that??
[11:33] <Seveas> yes, ubuntu, or rather gnome 2.10 conforms to that
[11:33] <samuel> the one everyone seems to dislike but use none-the-less...
[11:33] <samuel> Seveas, bronson thanks
[11:33] <Dj_AlTeK> Seveas: should i use terminal to enable multiverse?
[11:34] <likkashot> yo!
[11:34] <beck2> can i somehow forbid changing refreshRate??
[11:34] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, the best way is to hit alt+f2 to open the run program dialog. In that dialog you type: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:34] <jason> goldfish_, i think i just need to tell my router to use a different port
[11:34] <likkashot> how do i install themes , the themes manager always tell me its the wrong format
[11:35] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, you enable multiverse by adding the lines found at paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 to that file
[11:35] <karl> hi there, how can I restart my sshd?
[11:35] <karl> I don't have an entry in
[11:35] <karl> /etc/init.d/sshd
[11:35] <Seveas> karl, invoke-rc.d ssh restart
[11:35] <Seveas> it's ssh, not sshd
[11:36] <evo> http://12.222.84.188/php.php (--wintout-mysql) this is after i apt-get install'd php4-mysql and restarted apache, isn't that supposed to add mysql support?
[11:40] <Seveas> evo, make sure mysql is enabled in php.ini
[11:40] <karl> seveas: root@baboon:/home/karl # invoke-rc.d ssh restart
[11:40] <karl> invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/ssh not found.
[11:40] <evo> Seveas: okay, just figured if it was compiled without support, there would be none
[11:40] <Seveas> karl, have you even installed the openssh-server?
[11:40] <karl> seveas: oops
[11:40] <karl> sorry
[11:40] <karl> thanks for your time!
[11:40] <TokenBad> anyone know the url for the unstable repository?
[11:40] <likkashot> how do i install themes , the themes manager always tell me its the wrong format
[11:40] <Seveas> likkashot, art.gnome.org/faq.php
[11:40] <likkashot> thanks
[11:40] <llama_> I CONNECTED TO MY NETWORK!!!!
[11:40] <beck2> can anybody tell me how to prevent switching ScreenRefreshRate to 87HZ??
[11:40] <Seveas> llama_, cool!!
[11:40] <flankk> llama_, we know.
[11:40] <Seveas> llama_, wat was the solution?
[11:40] <llama_> but im not receiving any packets...
[11:40] <llama_> i copied the BSSID from kismac
[11:40] <llama_> instead of my pass
[11:40] <llama_> seemed to have worked...
[11:40] <llama_> BUT
[11:40] <llama_> nothing ever works for me
[11:40] <Seveas> what do you mean?
[11:40] <llama_> flankk: how?
[11:40] <lesliev> llama: you are a sad case
[11:40] <llama_> lol
[11:40] <Dj_AlTeK> Seveas: I just realized im running warty
[11:40] <llama_> i can send but not recieve :/
[11:40] <goldfish_> llama_: lol
[11:40] <llama_> dunno
[11:40] <llama_> y
[11:40] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, hmmm, ok
[11:40] <lesliev> llama: The first time I set up a wireless network was at a client - and it took a week
[11:40] <llama_> oh
[11:41] <asadf> lol 95 year old guy ran 100 meter dash in 22 seconds
[11:41] <llama_> that makes me feel better lesliev :)
[11:41] <Seveas> replace hoary by warty in all entries in that paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:41] <Seveas> asadf, that's hopelessly off-topic and old news :)
[11:41] <LinuxJones> asadf, I probably couldnt' do that :)
[11:41] <llama_> so since my network wont send packets or anything to my ubuntu, i STILL cant access the internet :(
[11:42] <llama_> but im getting close....
[11:42] <Seveas> ggod luck with the rest
[11:42] <Dj_AlTeK> seveas: the info on paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38 is for horay
[11:42] <llama_> lol thanks
[11:42] <Dj_AlTeK> meh
[11:42] <llama_> lol Dj_AlTeK
[11:43] <Dj_AlTeK> well, i think i have multiverse enabled
[11:43] <llama_> so... does anyone have any idea as to why my network doesnt want to send anything to my ubuntu system??
[11:43] <lesliev> llama: you can receive but not send?
[11:43] <llama_> i gues
[11:43] <lesliev> llama: Maybe a firewall setting?
[11:44] <llama_> hmm
[11:44] <llama_> on ubuntu? i have no firewall
[11:44] <llama_> i doesnt install by default, right?
[11:44] <llama_> firestarter?
[11:44] <nalioth> llama_: there is no 'firewall' by default
[11:44] <TokenBad> anyone know the url for the unstable repository? it has the new version of electric sheep on it..
[11:44] <llama_> k
[11:45] <lesliev> llama: How do you know you are receiving but not sending?
[11:45] <LinuxJones> llama_, is your ubuntu machine connected into a router ?
[11:45] <llama_> I have no idea
[11:45] <llama_> the applet
[11:45] <llama_> wirelessly
[11:45] <nalioth> LinuxJones: apple base station, "g" type
[11:45] <llama_> but b card
[11:45] <llama_> maybe thats it...
[11:45] <LinuxJones> nalioth, ahhhhh
[11:45] <nalioth> llama_: there should be NO problem mixing "g" and "b"
[11:46] <nalioth> llama_: i'm doing it here (and have been for months) w/0 a hitch
[11:46] <llama_> k
[11:46] <llama_> when i get this working i will dance in the street naked and eat my imac'
[11:46] <llama_> ^_^
[11:47] <fetman> anybody here who have installed amarok on ubuntu?
[11:47] <dajar_> how do i get a list of the running processes
[11:47] <nalioth> fetman: yes i have amarok
[11:47] <fetman> I can install it, but I can not play any music
[11:47] <darkaudit> fetman: got it... love it
[11:47] <llama_> :/
[11:47] <nalioth> fetman: have all your codecs/plugins?
[11:47] <Dj_AlTeK> hey how do i burn the iso for horay to a disc if im using warty??
[11:47] <fetman> nalioth: no, I thought they were dependencies?
[11:48] <nalioth> llama_: siracha is a very tasty hot sauce
[11:48] <nalioth> fetman watch ubotu
[11:48] <nalioth> !Restricted
[11:48] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[11:48] <llama_> mmmmm siracha
[11:48] <fetman> nalioth: I have no backbone or what ever it said
[11:48] <synd> !nalioth
[11:48] <ubotu> somebody said nalioth was gay
[11:48] <synd> :>
[11:48] <LinuxJones> Dj_AlTeK, you can right click on the .iso image and select write to disk or whatever it's called
[11:48] <nalioth> my secret is out
[11:48] <Dj_AlTeK> LinuxJones: Thanx
[11:48] <darkaudit> !amarok
[11:48] <ubotu> darkaudit: I don't know, could you explain it?
[11:48] <Dj_AlTeK> yao! nalioth still here?
[11:48] <synd> nalioth: ubotu all knowing
[11:48] <nalioth> fetman: the ubotoism about restricted formats
[11:49] <darkaudit> !ubuntux
[11:49] <ubotu> darkaudit: No idea
[11:49] <nalioth> yeth, yeth, yeth, synd
[11:49] <synd> darkaudit: PM him
[11:49] <fetman> nalioth: well, shall I install amarok-engines or what?
[11:49] <llama_> sent: 57 packets (22kb), received: 0 packets (0kb)
[11:49] <llama_> :?
[11:50] <llama_> :/
[11:50] <asadf> anyone know why ic ant eneter pword, nothin no stars come up at all
[11:50] <asadf> but i can enert username
[11:50] <darkaudit> fetman: at least get amarok-arts
[11:50] <nalioth> fetman: see the page about restricted formats, for a start you'll need gstreamer0.8-mad
[11:50] <fetman> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[11:50] <fetman>   amarok-engines amarok-gstreamer amarok-xine libmodplug0 libxine1
[11:50] <fetman> that should do it?
[11:50] <llama_> so anyone ese have an idea? i can send but not receive packets...
[11:51] <jMi> My CDs still won't automount. Gnome-volume-manager says they should and I've got autofs installed and running - any suggestions?
[11:51] <nalioth> fetman: i'm not so sure about amarok specific stuff, i just installed every gstreamer codec i could find
[11:51] <fetman> nalioth: kk
[11:51] <synd> nalioth: wheres my tigre
[11:51] <nalioth> llama_: find a friend with another brand of wireless point
[11:51] <brady> is there a package which provides zodb? i see there is some zope stuff, but it is non-obvious how to get zodb.
[11:51] <nalioth> llama_: a coffee bar
[11:51] <llama_> nalioth: k
[11:51] <nalioth> llama_: something different
[11:51] <llama_> sure
[11:51] <Dj_AlTeK> llama_: sit outside a mcdonalds or starbucks and leech off their wireless ;)
[11:51] <fetman> nalioth: suxxess!!
[11:51] <llama_> hehe
[11:51] <nalioth> llama_: and hope ya aint screwed the daylights out of your hardware
[11:52] <llama_> ?
[11:52] <llama_> naaa ;)
[11:52] <nalioth> synd: ya starting a zoo?
[11:52] <brady> moooooooooooo
[11:52] <metzen> im trying to compile a newer version of the mozilla-mplayer plugin, and the ./configure is saying it cant find `mozilla-plugin.pc', what package is this file in?
[11:52] <llama_> why cant i use llama?
[11:52] <llama_> only llama_
[11:52] <llama_> no one else is using it
[11:53] <flankk> llama_, it's a reserved word for thou who is unamed
[11:53] <synd> nalioth: i already have a panther
[11:53] <llama_> hmm
[11:53] <llama_> synd: apple.com
[11:54] <synd> llama_: huh?
[11:54] <nalioth> llama_: he has one on order
[11:54] <llama_> oh
[11:54] <flankk> llama_, all animal names are reserved in a sheer respect to unoriginality.
[11:54] <Dj_AlTeK> lol
[11:54] <nalioth> flankk: i'm waiting on the ubuntu release "stinky skunk"
[11:54] <flankk> nalioth, laff
[11:54] <llama_> ooooooooo i want that
[11:54] <Dj_AlTeK> what about oar the oarca??
[11:55] <Dj_AlTeK> >.>
[11:55] <synd> Dj_AlTeK: you forgot to AlTeRnAtE the title
[11:55] <synd> ; )
[11:57] <synd> you misread my statement.
[11:57] <XandriX> llama_, np whats wrong ?
[11:57] <synd> ubuntu 6.10 dead dog
[11:57] <XandriX> cut it out you to
[11:57] <llama_> nothing XandriX
[11:57] <llama_> lol
[11:58] <llama_> heh
[11:58] <synd> llama_, Dj_AlTeK: /join #teens
[11:58] <synd> horseplay in there
[11:58] <llama_> heh
[11:58] <simber> hi yu all
[11:58] <simber> i have a question about printers
[11:59] <llama_> im a channel operator in #teens!
[11:59] <llama_> yay!
[11:59] <darkaudit> XandriX: and no tp :p :)
[11:59] <Dj_AlTeK> o.O
[11:59] <XandriX> darkaudit, ?
[11:59] <simber> does anybody have used the hp laserjet 1010?
[11:59] <darkaudit> XandriX: toilet paper
[12:00] <XandriX> darkaudit, yeah no tp