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| haggai | Riddell: for KDE, it looks for KDE_FULL_SESSION or window manager=KWin | 11:18 |
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| haggai | Riddell: for Gnome, it looks for GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID, or window list properties GNOME_SM_PROXY or NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_WINDOW_ID, or a running gnome-panel | 11:19 |
| haggai | Riddell: that's taken from a reading of the 1.9.78 source | 11:20 |
| JRe | hehe new ktvschedule works! | 11:43 |
| Riddell | haggai: thanks | 11:44 |
| Riddell | JRe: woo | 11:44 |
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| JRe | kay added on kde apps | 12:17 |
| JRe | Riddell: ktvschedule new upstream packaged ;) | 12:53 |
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| Riddell | JRe: build failure on ktvschedule | 01:46 |
| Riddell | moc: channelselect_ui.h: No such file | 01:46 |
| JRe | Riddell: ok | 01:47 |
| JRe | Riddell: okay fixed | 02:18 |
| JRe | Riddell: i am going to use DBUS- HAL for Kay in order to make it mounter independent ;) i mailed Kevin Otten from medio ioslave. | 02:19 |
| Riddell | Kevin doesn't like hal | 02:20 |
| JRe | Riddell: i am going to use the same system than him | 02:21 |
| JRe | Riddell: because he already detect these event in media ioslave, no? | 02:22 |
| Riddell | JRe: he didn't write the hal backend | 02:23 |
| JRe | Riddell: hum | 02:23 |
| JRe | Riddell: i am going to take a look in the media ioslave source to see what i can do! but it's better for Kay to be mounter independant no (= 0 configuration needed) ??? | 02:24 |
| Riddell | I imagine so yes | 02:26 |
| hunger | Isen't there a DB thingy included in koffice 1.4? | 02:52 |
| KaiL | not in breezy | 02:54 |
| Riddell | hunger: kexi is being packaged separatly | 02:54 |
| hunger | Why? Because the one in koffice is outdated already? | 02:55 |
| Riddell | yes | 02:55 |
| hunger | Riddell: Great, then we'll get the latest and greatest! | 02:55 |
| === hunger waits for updated kexi packages as patiently as he can. | ||
| Riddell | elmo: do you know why kexi hasn't been imported with debian auto-sync? | 02:59 |
| elmo | kexi | 0.9beta1-1 | breezy/universe | source | 03:02 |
| Riddell | ah hah | 03:07 |
| JRe | cool :) | 03:10 |
| hunger | And that means? | 03:22 |
| hunger | kexi will be autobuild soonish? | 03:22 |
| Riddell | hunger: naw, it failed, I'll ask for it to be put back once I've confirmed there's no gcc issues | 03:23 |
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| JRe | Riddell: anyone is packaging dataKiosk ? | 03:59 |
| Riddell | JRe: nope, please do | 04:02 |
| Riddell | KTorrent is another one that would be nice to have packaged | 04:03 |
| \sh | Riddell: pointer? | 04:03 |
| Riddell | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages | 04:03 |
| Riddell | I havn't tried it, might be a good reason why nobody has packaged it for all I know | 04:04 |
| \sh | it's bloody ugly | 04:04 |
| \sh | even my KPyBT is much nicer | 04:05 |
| uniq | I can start doing some more packaging when the weekend comes. I'll be finished with my psychology papers tonight or tomorrow. finally. | 04:05 |
| \sh | and PyBT is working...at least I can download torrents with fullspeed and upload with 1kb/s ,-) | 04:06 |
| \sh | let me try kpybt if its working with breezy ;) | 04:07 |
| Riddell | uniq: and people are asking about KOffice ppc packages :) | 04:07 |
| uniq | riddell: will be ready soon.. started the compile before i got to bed yesterday.. but it failed.. so i'll have to restart it now :) | 04:08 |
| JRe | Riddell: yeah KTorrent is a great idea. I think KHttrack could also be usefull | 04:13 |
| JRe | \sh: ow you're developping a torrent manager in QT ? | 04:13 |
| \sh | JRe: for kde :) | 04:14 |
| \sh | http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/shermannpics/kpybt/ | 04:14 |
| \sh | http://developer.berlios.de/projects/kpybt | 04:15 |
| uniq | great. | 04:16 |
| uniq | finally i can throw azureus away. | 04:16 |
| \sh | the functionality is in my first version PyBT (QTonly) | 04:17 |
| JRe | \sh: wow congrats ;) | 04:17 |
| JRe | \sh: it's a wat better than ktorrent! | 04:17 |
| JRe | s/wat/way/ | 04:17 |
| JRe | uniq: yeah me too! i am so happy | 04:17 |
| \sh | so for the backend I need nothing else then copy and paste | 04:17 |
| uniq | the websearch thing in ktorrent looks nice though :) | 04:17 |
| \sh | it's using bittorrent python classes and threads for the stuff...and the rest is mockup | 04:18 |
| \sh | uniq: easy :) | 04:18 |
| \sh | torrentsearch.com ;) | 04:18 |
| uniq | yeah.. or something you can edit yourself. | 04:18 |
| \sh | and another idea is to include a rss aggregator ;) | 04:18 |
| JRe | \sh: i'll try it as soon as you will have packaged it | 04:18 |
| uniq | \sh: something like the webshortcuts in konq.. you can add/edit/remove your own search engines. would be great. nice project :) | 04:20 |
| uniq | i'll have to learn python this summer, no doubt. | 04:20 |
| \sh | uniq: let me finish the first version ;) | 04:20 |
| uniq | sure.. just got so excited :) | 04:20 |
| \sh | btw...what u saw with the config dlg | 04:20 |
| \sh | it's a working version of KConfigXT in PyKDE :) | 04:20 |
| \sh | and actually, only ubuntu has the correct and working package ;) | 04:21 |
| uniq | nice :) | 04:21 |
| JRe | \sh: you have a damg interresting project on the read! | 04:21 |
| JRe | s/damg/damn/ | 04:21 |
| JRe | s/read/road/ | 04:21 |
| \sh | too many for my time schedule ;) | 04:21 |
| \sh | uniq: programming kde with python+pyqt+pykde is just like plain c++, but the compile times are less then a minimum | 04:22 |
| JRe | \sh: you're programming other KDE apps? | 04:23 |
| \sh | jre: if the backend of the libupdatemanager is finished (hopefully soon) I will take the kde frontend for it...and actually a replacement for kynaptic | 04:23 |
| Riddell | libupdatemanager? | 04:24 |
| \sh | riddell: ubw:UpdateManager ,-) | 04:24 |
| JRe | \sh: you're using libap-front for the kynaptic replacement ? | 04:24 |
| \sh | jre: no..python-apt | 04:24 |
| \sh | jre: mvo is coding on it...so we can use it for installing removing checking updating deb archives | 04:25 |
| JRe | \sh: okay seems great! | 04:25 |
| \sh | jre: my old apps for kde: http://freshmeat.net/projects/kwhois/ | 04:25 |
| JRe | \sh: i actually try to help on the lib-aptfront project but it's not easy at all to code such a thing | 04:26 |
| \sh | jre: http://freshmeat.net/projects/kmyirc/ | 04:26 |
| \sh | (kmyirc is even older then konversation) ,-) | 04:26 |
| \sh | never had the time to finish it..and nobody wanted to take over..so it's a ghost project, but good for looking up for some code samples in c++ ;) | 04:26 |
| \sh | kwhois works...and should even work with kde 3.4 (after replacing admin dir and recompile ) | 04:27 |
| JRe | \sh: ;) whatever if you need help on the kynaptic replacement project poke me i am very interessted in it!!! | 04:27 |
| JRe | \sh: (if you could giveme the project page ;) ) | 04:28 |
| \sh | oh I just saw on the screenshots of kmyirc, that freenode was formerly known as openprojects.net ,-) | 04:28 |
| \sh | jre: wiki.ubuntu.com/UpdateManager | 04:29 |
| \sh | or more easy: apt-get install kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts ; and then ubw:UpdateManager | 04:29 |
| JRe | \sh: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcut is on hoary ??? | 04:30 |
| \sh | jre: oh no..breezy ;) | 04:30 |
| \sh | jre: but get the sources from breezy and rebuild for hoary ;) | 04:30 |
| uniq | is breezy useable now? | 04:30 |
| JRe | \sh: yeah ;) | 04:31 |
| Riddell | \sh: and what's the current status of libupdatemanager? | 04:31 |
| \sh | Riddell: far from complete | 04:32 |
| JRe | \sh: updatemanager is a replacement for kynaptic ??? | 04:33 |
| \sh | jre: no...but many of the logic is in there...for python-apt abstraction etc. | 04:33 |
| \sh | everything what doesn't belong in a GUI app, should be in there. | 04:33 |
| JRe | \sh: aaa okay right ;) | 04:34 |
| JRe | \sh: okay so the kynaptic replacement is not started at all, just the lib are beeing worked ? | 04:35 |
| \sh | jre: u can see some early mockups on my blog ;) | 04:35 |
| \sh | http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/11-Pynaptiq-A-Kynaptic-Replacement.html | 04:36 |
| \sh | http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/12-More-from-Pynaptiq.html | 04:36 |
| \sh | JRe: it was my first attempt: 1. to write something useful in python with pyqt, 2. my first step with python-apt (less docu, more hacking and much more trial and error) | 04:37 |
| JRe | \sh: wow | 04:37 |
| \sh | jre: i don't know if u can see the flash movie | 04:37 |
| JRe | \sh: nop! but i definitively want to help you! i'll take a good look to python-apt | 04:37 |
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| JRe | \sh: it's already possible to install a package? | 04:39 |
| \sh | jre: no, cause python-apt can't install a packge right now..I just made some test with untaring the control.tar.gz that was working but nothing else | 04:40 |
| \sh | jre: it was the time of UDU and when ogra saw my attempts he reported to mvo and well....we came together for this | 04:41 |
| \sh | Riddell: the kde ui designer was kdevdesigner? | 04:46 |
| Riddell | \sh: qt designer or kdevdesigner | 04:48 |
| \sh | Riddell: hmm...why is it crashing? | 04:48 |
| Riddell | works for me | 04:48 |
| \sh | (no debugging symbols found) | 04:49 |
| \sh | Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1". | 04:49 |
| \sh | (no debugging symbols found) | 04:49 |
| \sh | `system-supplied DSO at 0xffffe000' has disappeared; keeping its symbols. | 04:49 |
| \sh | (breezy ) | 04:49 |
| \sh | need to be recompiled because of new qt lib? | 04:49 |
| \sh | ahhh | 04:50 |
| \sh | here it is | 04:50 |
| \sh | Conflict in /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/kdepimwidgets.so: | 04:51 |
| \sh | Plugin uses incompatible Qt library! | 04:51 |
| \sh | Conflict in /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/kpartsdesignerplugin.so: | 04:51 |
| \sh | Plugin uses incompatible Qt library! | 04:51 |
| \sh | Conflict in /usr/lib/qt3/plugins/designer/libqscintillaplugin.so: | 04:51 |
| \sh | Plugin uses incompatible Qt library! | 04:51 |
| Riddell | time for me to upgrade then | 04:52 |
| \sh | ok..libqscintilla i can take | 04:52 |
| \sh | after this, i have to push pyqt and pykde again into the buildds | 04:52 |
| Riddell | \sh: why do you need to do that? | 04:55 |
| \sh | Riddell: to recreate the c++ python bindings... | 04:56 |
| \sh | w8 | 04:56 |
| \sh | let me check first the changes to qt | 04:56 |
| \sh | but libqscintilla has go through | 04:57 |
| \sh | why is the lib incompatible to the old build, actually? | 05:00 |
| Riddell | qt designer's plugins seen to have very strict requirements of which Qt they work with | 05:02 |
| \sh | Riddell: and the plugins are build by kdelibs or kdevelop? | 05:03 |
| Riddell | \sh: kdelibs | 05:04 |
| uniq | hah.. crazy http://www.merkeylaw.com/article.php?story=20050621145053855&mode=print | 05:04 |
| \sh | qscintila is uploaded for recompile | 05:05 |
| Riddell | uniq: new koffice packages up. use those if compiling for PPC | 05:20 |
| uniq | ok. at kubuntu.org ? | 05:20 |
| Riddell | uniq: yes | 05:21 |
| uniq | will do.. just started the build.. restarting now. | 05:21 |
| uniq | nice percentage indicator while compiling koffice :) | 05:41 |
| Riddell | uniq: that's the magic of unsermake | 05:49 |
| uniq | nice.. haven't tried unsermake before. | 05:50 |
| Riddell | does make the .diff.gz somewhat large | 05:50 |
| uniq | did you take a look at the new kbandwidth package? MOTUNewPackages doesn't seem to be updated. | 05:53 |
| uniq | the issues mentioned there should be fixed. | 05:53 |
| JRe | uniq: you have made a package using unsermake + cdbs ? | 05:55 |
| uniq | jre: no, never used unsermake.. i use cdbs and debhelper mostly. | 05:55 |
| uniq | i'm just compiling koffice for ppc. | 05:55 |
| JRe | uniq: okay! i was looking for a package using cdbs and unsermake to see how to get it work! | 05:58 |
| uniq | don't have that yet. | 05:59 |
| Riddell | JRe: I think I made one | 06:00 |
| Riddell | but I can't remember which now | 06:00 |
| JRe | Riddell: i'll investigate your packages ;) | 06:00 |
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| JRe | Riddell: in how many time will KDE 3.5 go out ? | 07:04 |
| JRe | Riddell: (more or less) | 07:06 |
| \sh | Riddell: which packages must be uploaded for new qt compile of kde? kdepim and ? is it main or universe? | 07:30 |
| uniq | kdepim is universe in breezy.. says apt-cache policy | 07:35 |
| \sh | will check tomorrow... | 07:36 |
| \sh | have to go and wash my clothes ;) | 07:36 |
| uniq | good luck. | 07:37 |
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| Riddell | amu spotted, back left http://www.kstuff.org/lt2k5/day1/800.IMG_1874.JPG | 09:59 |
| Riddell | I recognise that operating system http://www.kstuff.org/lt2k5/day1/800.IMG_1865.JPG | 09:59 |
| uniq | nice :) | 10:00 |
| uniq | amu with the debian shirt? | 10:00 |
| Riddell | yes | 10:02 |
| uniq | cool. | 10:03 |
| Riddell | kexi has 0.9beta1-1 and I want to upload 0.9 but 0.9 is less that 0.9beta | 10:11 |
| uniq | heh. | 10:17 |
| froud | is there a colony 1 iso for kubuntu somewhere | 10:17 |
| uniq | riddell: " we prefix thehttp://twistedmatrix.com/pipermail/twisted-commits/2003-September/008942.html | 10:19 |
| uniq | +previous version to the actual version. 1.0.6+1.0.7rc1 is <em>less | 10:19 |
| uniq | +than</em> 1.0.7." | 10:19 |
| uniq | gah.. irssi didn't understand how i wanted that pasted :] | 10:19 |
| Riddell | yes, that's what he should have done | 10:21 |
| Riddell | or used the ~ operator | 10:21 |
| Riddell | tsk tsk | 10:21 |
| uniq | how does ~ work in versioning? | 10:21 |
| Riddell | 0.9final seems good to me | 10:21 |
| Riddell | uniq: ~ was added fairly recently to mean less than so 0.9~beta1 is less than 0.9 | 10:21 |
| uniq | ah. nice. | 10:22 |
| Riddell | but I guess this kexi packager hasn't heard of it | 10:22 |
| uniq | you can use 1:0.9-1 too, right? | 10:23 |
| Riddell | I could but then it'll be completely out of sync with debian | 10:24 |
| uniq | good point. | 10:25 |
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| uniq | hmm.. 2.6.12 has some new numbers in dmesg.. | 11:06 |
| uniq | riddell: koffice for ppc is uploaded. http://frode.kde.no/hoary-updates/ppc/koffice/ | 11:46 |
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