[11:18] <haggai> Riddell: for KDE, it looks for KDE_FULL_SESSION or window manager=KWin
[11:19] <haggai> Riddell: for Gnome, it looks for GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID, or window list properties GNOME_SM_PROXY or NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_WINDOW_ID, or a running gnome-panel
[11:20] <haggai> Riddell: that's taken from a reading of the 1.9.78 source
[11:43] <JRe> hehe new ktvschedule works!
[11:44] <Riddell> haggai: thanks
[11:44] <Riddell> JRe: woo
[12:17] <JRe> kay added on kde apps
[12:53] <JRe> Riddell: ktvschedule new upstream packaged ;)
[01:46] <Riddell> JRe: build failure on ktvschedule
[01:46] <Riddell> moc: channelselect_ui.h: No such file
[01:47] <JRe> Riddell: ok
[02:18] <JRe> Riddell: okay fixed
[02:19] <JRe> Riddell: i am going to use DBUS- HAL for Kay in order to make it mounter independent ;) i mailed Kevin Otten from medio ioslave.
[02:20] <Riddell> Kevin doesn't like hal
[02:21] <JRe> Riddell: i am going to use the same system than him
[02:22] <JRe> Riddell: because he already detect these event in media ioslave, no?
[02:23] <Riddell> JRe: he didn't write the hal backend
[02:23] <JRe> Riddell: hum
[02:24] <JRe> Riddell: i am going to take a look in the media ioslave source to see what i can do! but it's better for Kay to be mounter independant no (= 0 configuration needed) ???
[02:26] <Riddell> I imagine so yes
[02:52] <hunger> Isen't there a DB thingy included in koffice 1.4?
[02:54] <KaiL> not in breezy
[02:54] <Riddell> hunger: kexi is being packaged separatly
[02:55] <hunger> Why? Because the one in koffice is outdated already?
[02:55] <Riddell> yes
[02:55] <hunger> Riddell: Great, then we'll get the latest and greatest!
[02:59] <Riddell> elmo: do you know why kexi hasn't been imported with debian auto-sync?
[03:02] <elmo>       kexi | 0.9beta1-1 | breezy/universe | source
[03:07] <Riddell> ah hah
[03:10] <JRe> cool :)
[03:22] <hunger> And that means?
[03:22] <hunger> kexi will be autobuild soonish?
[03:23] <Riddell> hunger: naw, it failed, I'll ask for it to be put back once I've confirmed there's no gcc issues
[03:59] <JRe> Riddell: anyone is packaging dataKiosk ?
[04:02] <Riddell> JRe: nope, please do
[04:03] <Riddell> KTorrent is another one that would be nice to have packaged
[04:03] <\sh> Riddell: pointer?
[04:03] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuSuggestedPackages
[04:04] <Riddell> I havn't tried it, might be a good reason why nobody has packaged it for all I know
[04:04] <\sh> it's bloody ugly
[04:05] <\sh> even my KPyBT is much nicer
[04:05] <uniq> I can start doing some more packaging when the weekend comes. I'll be finished with my psychology papers tonight or tomorrow. finally.
[04:06] <\sh> and PyBT is working...at least I can download torrents with fullspeed and upload with 1kb/s ,-)
[04:07] <\sh> let me try kpybt if its working with breezy ;)
[04:07] <Riddell> uniq: and people are asking about KOffice ppc packages :)
[04:08] <uniq> riddell: will be ready soon.. started the compile before i got to bed yesterday.. but it failed.. so i'll have to restart it now :)
[04:13] <JRe> Riddell: yeah KTorrent is a great idea. I think KHttrack could also be usefull
[04:13] <JRe> \sh: ow you're developping a torrent manager in QT ?
[04:14] <\sh> JRe: for kde :)
[04:14] <\sh> http://photos.shermann.blogweb.de/main.php/v/shermannpics/kpybt/
[04:15] <\sh> http://developer.berlios.de/projects/kpybt
[04:16] <uniq> great.
[04:16] <uniq> finally i can throw azureus away.
[04:17] <\sh> the functionality is in my first version PyBT (QTonly)
[04:17] <JRe> \sh: wow congrats ;)
[04:17] <JRe> \sh: it's a wat better than ktorrent!
[04:17] <JRe> s/wat/way/
[04:17] <JRe> uniq: yeah me too! i am so happy
[04:17] <\sh> so for the backend I need nothing else then copy and paste
[04:17] <uniq> the websearch thing in ktorrent looks nice though :)
[04:18] <\sh> it's using bittorrent python classes and threads for the stuff...and the rest is mockup
[04:18] <\sh> uniq: easy :)
[04:18] <\sh> torrentsearch.com ;)
[04:18] <uniq> yeah.. or something you can edit yourself.
[04:18] <\sh> and another idea is to include a rss aggregator ;)
[04:18] <JRe> \sh: i'll try it as soon as you will have packaged it
[04:20] <uniq> \sh: something like the webshortcuts in konq.. you can add/edit/remove your own search engines. would be great. nice project :)
[04:20] <uniq> i'll have to learn python this summer, no doubt.
[04:20] <\sh> uniq: let me finish the first version ;)
[04:20] <uniq> sure.. just got so excited :)
[04:20] <\sh> btw...what u saw with the config dlg
[04:20] <\sh> it's a working version of KConfigXT in PyKDE :)
[04:21] <\sh> and actually, only ubuntu has the correct and working package ;)
[04:21] <uniq> nice :)
[04:21] <JRe> \sh: you have a damg interresting project on the read!
[04:21] <JRe> s/damg/damn/
[04:21] <JRe> s/read/road/
[04:21] <\sh> too many for my time schedule ;)
[04:22] <\sh> uniq: programming kde with python+pyqt+pykde is just like plain c++, but the compile times are less then a minimum
[04:23] <JRe> \sh: you're programming other KDE apps?
[04:23] <\sh> jre: if the backend of the libupdatemanager is finished (hopefully soon) I will take the kde frontend for it...and actually a replacement for kynaptic
[04:24] <Riddell> libupdatemanager?
[04:24] <\sh> riddell: ubw:UpdateManager ,-)
[04:24] <JRe> \sh: you're using libap-front for the kynaptic replacement ?
[04:24] <\sh> jre: no..python-apt
[04:25] <\sh> jre: mvo is coding on it...so we can use it for installing removing checking updating deb archives
[04:25] <JRe> \sh: okay seems great!
[04:25] <\sh> jre: my old apps for kde: http://freshmeat.net/projects/kwhois/
[04:26] <JRe> \sh: i actually try to help on the lib-aptfront project but it's not easy at all to code such a thing
[04:26] <\sh> jre: http://freshmeat.net/projects/kmyirc/
[04:26] <\sh> (kmyirc is even older then konversation) ,-)
[04:26] <\sh> never had the time to finish it..and nobody wanted to take over..so it's a ghost project, but good for looking up for some code samples in c++ ;)
[04:27] <\sh> kwhois works...and should even work with kde 3.4 (after replacing admin dir and recompile )
[04:27] <JRe> \sh: ;) whatever if you need help on the kynaptic replacement project poke me i am very interessted in it!!!
[04:28] <JRe> \sh: (if you could giveme the project page ;) )
[04:28] <\sh> oh I just saw on the screenshots of kmyirc, that freenode was formerly known as openprojects.net ,-)
[04:29] <\sh> jre: wiki.ubuntu.com/UpdateManager
[04:29] <\sh> or more easy: apt-get install kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts ; and then ubw:UpdateManager
[04:30] <JRe> \sh: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcut is on hoary ???
[04:30] <\sh> jre: oh no..breezy ;)
[04:30] <\sh> jre: but get the sources from breezy and rebuild for hoary ;) 
[04:30] <uniq> is breezy useable now? 
[04:31] <JRe> \sh: yeah ;)
[04:31] <Riddell> \sh: and what's the current status of libupdatemanager?
[04:32] <\sh> Riddell: far from complete
[04:33] <JRe> \sh: updatemanager is a replacement for kynaptic ???
[04:33] <\sh> jre: no...but many of the logic is in there...for python-apt abstraction etc.
[04:33] <\sh> everything what doesn't belong in a GUI app, should be in there.
[04:34] <JRe> \sh: aaa okay right ;)
[04:35] <JRe> \sh: okay so the kynaptic replacement is not started at all, just the lib are beeing worked ?
[04:35] <\sh> jre: u can see some early mockups on my blog ;) 
[04:36] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/11-Pynaptiq-A-Kynaptic-Replacement.html
[04:36] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/12-More-from-Pynaptiq.html
[04:37] <\sh> JRe: it was my first attempt: 1. to write something useful in python with pyqt, 2. my first step with python-apt (less docu, more hacking and much more trial and error)
[04:37] <JRe> \sh: wow
[04:37] <\sh> jre: i don't know if u can see the flash movie
[04:37] <JRe> \sh: nop! but i definitively want to help you! i'll take a good look to python-apt
[04:39] <JRe> \sh: it's already possible to install a package?
[04:40] <\sh> jre: no, cause python-apt can't install a packge right now..I just made some test with untaring the control.tar.gz that was working but nothing else
[04:41] <\sh> jre: it was the time of UDU and when ogra saw my attempts he reported to mvo  and well....we came together for this
[04:46] <\sh> Riddell: the kde ui designer was kdevdesigner?
[04:48] <Riddell> \sh: qt designer or kdevdesigner
[04:48] <\sh> Riddell: hmm...why is it crashing?
[04:48] <Riddell> works for me
[04:49] <\sh> (no debugging symbols found)
[04:49] <\sh> Using host libthread_db library "/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libthread_db.so.1".
[04:49] <\sh> (no debugging symbols found)
[04:49] <\sh> `system-supplied DSO at 0xffffe000' has disappeared; keeping its symbols.
[04:49] <\sh> (breezy )
[04:49] <\sh> need to be recompiled because of new qt lib?
[04:50] <\sh> ahhh
[04:50] <\sh> here it is
[04:51] <\sh> Conflict in /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/kdepimwidgets.so:
[04:51] <\sh>   Plugin uses incompatible Qt library!
[04:51] <\sh> Conflict in /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/designer/kpartsdesignerplugin.so:
[04:51] <\sh>   Plugin uses incompatible Qt library!
[04:51] <\sh> Conflict in /usr/lib/qt3/plugins/designer/libqscintillaplugin.so:
[04:51] <\sh>   Plugin uses incompatible Qt library!
[04:52] <Riddell> time for me to upgrade then
[04:52] <\sh> ok..libqscintilla i can take
[04:52] <\sh> after this, i have to push pyqt and pykde again into the buildds
[04:55] <Riddell> \sh: why do you need to do that?
[04:56] <\sh> Riddell: to recreate the c++ python bindings...
[04:56] <\sh> w8
[04:56] <\sh> let me check first the changes to qt
[04:57] <\sh> but libqscintilla has go through
[05:00] <\sh> why is the lib incompatible to the old build, actually?
[05:02] <Riddell> qt designer's plugins seen to have very strict requirements of which Qt they work with
[05:03] <\sh> Riddell: and the plugins are build by kdelibs or kdevelop?
[05:04] <Riddell> \sh: kdelibs
[05:04] <uniq> hah.. crazy http://www.merkeylaw.com/article.php?story=20050621145053855&mode=print
[05:05] <\sh> qscintila is uploaded for recompile
[05:20] <Riddell> uniq: new koffice packages up.  use those if compiling for PPC
[05:20] <uniq> ok. at kubuntu.org ? 
[05:21] <Riddell> uniq: yes
[05:21] <uniq> will do.. just started the build.. restarting now.
[05:41] <uniq> nice percentage indicator while compiling koffice :)
[05:49] <Riddell> uniq: that's the magic of unsermake
[05:50] <uniq> nice.. haven't tried unsermake before.
[05:50] <Riddell> does make the .diff.gz somewhat large
[05:53] <uniq> did you take a look at the new kbandwidth package? MOTUNewPackages doesn't seem to be updated.
[05:53] <uniq> the issues mentioned there should be fixed.
[05:55] <JRe> uniq: you have made a package using unsermake + cdbs ?
[05:55] <uniq> jre: no, never used unsermake.. i use cdbs and debhelper mostly.
[05:55] <uniq> i'm just compiling koffice for ppc.
[05:58] <JRe> uniq: okay! i was looking for a package using cdbs and unsermake to see how to get it work!
[05:59] <uniq> don't have that yet.
[06:00] <Riddell> JRe: I think I made one
[06:00] <Riddell> but I can't remember which now
[06:00] <JRe> Riddell: i'll investigate your packages ;)
[07:04] <JRe> Riddell: in how many time will KDE 3.5 go out ?
[07:06] <JRe> Riddell: (more or less)
[07:30] <\sh> Riddell: which packages must be uploaded for new qt compile of kde? kdepim and ? is it main or universe?
[07:35] <uniq> kdepim is universe in breezy.. says apt-cache policy
[07:36] <\sh> will check tomorrow...
[07:36] <\sh> have to go and wash my clothes ;)
[07:37] <uniq> good luck.
[09:59] <Riddell> amu spotted, back left http://www.kstuff.org/lt2k5/day1/800.IMG_1874.JPG
[09:59] <Riddell> I recognise that operating system http://www.kstuff.org/lt2k5/day1/800.IMG_1865.JPG
[10:00] <uniq> nice :)
[10:00] <uniq> amu with the debian shirt? 
[10:02] <Riddell> yes
[10:03] <uniq> cool.
[10:11] <Riddell> kexi has 0.9beta1-1 and I want to upload 0.9 but 0.9 is less that 0.9beta
[10:17] <uniq> heh. 
[10:17] <froud> is there a colony 1 iso for kubuntu somewhere
[10:19] <uniq> riddell: " we prefix thehttp://twistedmatrix.com/pipermail/twisted-commits/2003-September/008942.html  
[10:19] <uniq> +previous version to the actual version. 1.0.6+1.0.7rc1 is <em>less
[10:19] <uniq> +than</em> 1.0.7." 
[10:19] <uniq> gah.. irssi didn't understand how i wanted that pasted :] 
[10:21] <Riddell> yes, that's what he should have done
[10:21] <Riddell> or used the ~ operator
[10:21] <Riddell> tsk tsk
[10:21] <uniq> how does ~ work in versioning? 
[10:21] <Riddell> 0.9final seems good to me
[10:21] <Riddell> uniq: ~ was added fairly recently to mean less than so 0.9~beta1 is less than 0.9
[10:22] <uniq> ah. nice.
[10:22] <Riddell> but I guess this kexi packager hasn't heard of it
[10:23] <uniq> you can use 1:0.9-1 too, right? 
[10:24] <Riddell> I could but then it'll be completely out of sync with debian
[10:25] <uniq> good point. 
[11:06] <uniq> hmm.. 2.6.12 has some new numbers in dmesg.. 
[11:46] <uniq> riddell: koffice for ppc is uploaded. http://frode.kde.no/hoary-updates/ppc/koffice/