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| mdke | wb jeffsch | 12:04 |
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| jeffsch | mdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda | 12:05 |
| mdke | jeffsch, language packs? | 12:06 |
| jeffsch | you wanna do the xml vs html thing at tb? | 12:06 |
| mdke | i would like a docmeeting on it first | 12:07 |
| mdke | but in principal yeah sure | 12:08 |
| mdke | the reason I wanted to go to TB was basically to make them start to see us working together as a team | 12:08 |
| mdke | us = docteam and -devel | 12:08 |
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| mdke | ping mkde | 12:17 |
| mdke | mkde how is it going | 12:17 |
| robitaille | hummm...very interesting conversation this afternoon between mdke and mdke :) | 12:24 |
| mdke | yeah | 12:24 |
| mdke | just trying to figure out irssi | 12:25 |
| mdke | thinking of using it permanently from now on | 12:26 |
| robitaille | same here. I switched last night from xchat to irssi | 12:30 |
| robitaille | often I have to access irc remotely from my home machine, and doing it with xchat was a killer | 12:30 |
| mdke | *grins* | 12:30 |
| mdke | i'm gonna use screen | 12:31 |
| mdke | that was the killer which provoked the change | 12:31 |
| mdke | do you use it? | 12:31 |
| robitaille | life would be so much easier if irc was available at work.... | 12:31 |
| robitaille | never used screen | 12:31 |
| mdke | it allows you to keep a terminal even if you lose X | 12:31 |
| squinn | And it's good for when you need someone to hack into comp. | 12:32 |
| mdke | so you can run irssi in it, mark yourself as away, ssh in and check your messages | 12:32 |
| squinn | Like for teck support. | 12:32 |
| squinn | tech | 12:32 |
| mdke | yeah? | 12:32 |
| squinn | yep. | 12:33 |
| mdke | are you saying its makes my computer insecure? | 12:34 |
| mdke | its/it | 12:34 |
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| mdke | ok am officially switched to irssi | 12:39 |
| robitaille | it works pretty well. I still have to get use to some of the keyboard shortcuts. | 12:41 |
| mdke | yeah i just restarted X | 12:41 |
| mdke | its so cool | 12:41 |
| robitaille | next step is to use mutt and elinks, then you don't need X anymore :) | 12:42 |
| mdke | yes | 12:42 |
| mdke | mutt will be next | 12:42 |
| mdke | but i use a quite default ubuntu install on my laptop, which is what I use for email | 12:42 |
| mdke | so I will continue with evo | 12:42 |
| robitaille | I have been using mutt on and off for years. But recently I started using thunderbird most of the time. I'm sure I'll get fed up in the the few weeks and switch back to mutt. I always do... | 12:44 |
| mdke | yeah | 12:44 |
| mdke | does it do gpg? | 12:45 |
| robitaille | yes | 12:45 |
| mdke | hmm | 12:45 |
| mdke | and you get to look geek too | 12:45 |
| mdke | i am test running enlightenment right now | 12:47 |
| Burgundavia | I just killed about 30 mono threads and beagle | 12:48 |
| Burgundavia | went from 100% ram usage to about 20% | 12:48 |
| mdke | lol | 12:48 |
| mdke | breezy :D | 12:48 |
| Burgundavia | stupid beagle/blam bug | 12:48 |
| mdke | and Burgundavia call's me crazy for running gentoo | 12:48 |
| Burgundavia | running gentoo is crazy | 12:49 |
| Burgundavia | because when Breezy releases I will have a stable system, and you will still have gentoo | 12:49 |
| mdke | nah | 12:49 |
| mdke | you'll have a stable system for 2 weeks | 12:49 |
| mdke | then you'll be on breezy+1 | 12:49 |
| Burgundavia | I waited a month to jump to breezy | 12:49 |
| mdke | you have more aggregate instability ;) | 12:50 |
| Burgundavia | depends what breakage they plan for breezy+1 | 12:50 |
| mdke | heh | 12:50 |
| robitaille | I still haven't swtich to Breezy. I run it in a 2nd partition, but it still feels a bit too unstable for "production" work (a.k.a to use by the rest of the family at home) | 12:50 |
| Burgundavia | my brother is still on hoary | 12:51 |
| Burgundavia | today nautilus was borked | 12:51 |
| Burgundavia | until I restated it and killed all the zombie threads | 12:51 |
| Burgundavia | now I have desktop wallpaper again! | 12:51 |
| mdke | i had that here | 12:51 |
| robitaille | yeah, hoary's nautilus seems to freezy on me every few days. It's a good thing I'm 95% of the time in the command line. | 12:53 |
| robitaille | s/freezy/freeze | 12:53 |
| Burgundavia | why does clock-applet use 35 mb of ram? | 12:54 |
| Burgundavia | and FUSA uses 25 | 12:54 |
| Burgundavia | how about gnome-cups-icon at 36, and I don't even have a printer | 12:54 |
| Burgundavia | or evo-exchange-storage at 39 mb. I neither use evo or connect to an exchange server | 12:56 |
| mdke | bbl | 12:56 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia: they almost certainly don't | 12:56 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia: they almost certainly are using very little each | 12:56 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia: it'll be almost all shared | 12:56 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 12:56 |
| Burgundavia | Kinnison, what is new in your life? | 12:57 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia: Not much, I just submitted a merge to get Aranha actually generating content | 12:57 |
| Kinnison | Burgundavia: and now I'm off to bed, trusting that it'll pass without me needing to handhold it | 12:57 |
| Burgundavia | aranha? | 12:57 |
| Kinnison | http://wiki.digital-scurf.org/Aranha | 12:57 |
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| mdke | gtaylor... | 01:37 |
| mdke | has written an article about Ubuntu! | 01:37 |
| mdke | http://www.reviewlinux.com/articles/8/1/Ubuntu---A-New-Approach-to-Desktop-Linux | 01:38 |
| robitaille | mdke: you should subscribe to the sounder list. Someone posted that url last night. | 01:40 |
| mdke | hmm | 01:41 |
| mdke | too much email | 01:41 |
| mdke | but gtaylor comes in here, he is cool | 01:41 |
| robitaille | it's a low-traffic list (generally...). Look at Comment #7 from that article. Someone arguying that XP/2000 is better than Ubuntu and this article is FUD :) | 01:42 |
| mdke | yeah i saw that | 01:42 |
| mdke | i won't say linux doesn't have some issues | 01:42 |
| mdke | but windows _DOES_ need to be restarted frequently | 01:43 |
| mdke | every time you install a simple card game | 01:43 |
| mdke | and its also important to note that my flatmates wifi card doesn't work under XP, whereas my card works fine with reverse engineered hacked up drivers | 01:44 |
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| mdke | what was that program that will do some video recordings of your screen in swf or some format? | 03:49 |
| mdke | istanbul maybe | 03:51 |
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| mdke | good morning jsgotangco/squinn! | 03:51 |
| jeffsch | hmmm... first mdke was talking to himself, and now he's answering his own questions.... | 03:52 |
| jeffsch | too much work, methinks | 03:52 |
| mdke | heh | 03:53 |
| mdke | i had the word turkey in my head | 03:53 |
| robitaille | http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ | 03:53 |
| mdke | got there in the end | 03:53 |
| mdke | robitaille: vnc is a bit tricky tho | 03:53 |
| mdke | or can I do it localhost? | 03:53 |
| jsgotangco | morning | 03:53 |
| robitaille | I don't know; never tried I just know that this is what was used for the Beagles demos | 03:53 |
| jsgotangco | I LOOOVVEE MEDIAWIKI | 03:54 |
| mdke | yes i watched those demos | 03:54 |
| mdke | they were sweet | 03:54 |
| mdke | i looove jsgotangco | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | you want a taste of my whip? | 03:54 |
| robitaille | We all love mediawiki...let's fork the Ubuntu wiki :) | 03:54 |
| mdke | jsgotangco: good work on DocteamProjects | 03:54 |
| squinn | good [morning?] jsgotangco and mdke | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | i haven | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | i haven't even started | 03:55 |
| mdke | jsgotangco: even better :D | 03:55 |
| jeffsch | when you're done, there's the rest of the wiki :) | 03:55 |
| mdke | what did you guys think of my wiki team email? | 03:56 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm wiki janitors? | 03:57 |
| jeffsch | i like the idea | 03:58 |
| jeffsch | I started making a list of all the pages on CategoryDocteam that need some updating, revising, or rethinking | 03:58 |
| robitaille | wiki farmers? | 03:58 |
| robitaille | personally I think the idea ofa wiki team is a good one. | 03:59 |
| jeffsch | the list got too long, so I gave up. They all need some love | 03:59 |
| mdke | yes the docteam pages need love so that the team will get more hits :) | 03:59 |
| jeffsch | there is also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/doc that we should consider | 04:00 |
| mdke | yeah exactly | 04:01 |
| mdke | henriks idea | 04:02 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 04:03 |
| jsgotangco | this is too much for my brain to handle now | 04:03 |
| mdke | ok | 04:03 |
| mdke | reply on list whenever you fancy | 04:03 |
| jsgotangco | there are far too many issues we have to address | 04:03 |
| jsgotangco | the best way probably is to decentralize all work at the moment whoever wants to lead on | 04:04 |
| mdke | too many? | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | and put it all together in the projects page so we know all what is happening | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | not just on the svn | 04:04 |
| mdke | yeah IMHO that page should become the central page for us | 04:05 |
| jsgotangco | so far i only see 5 names on the page and its all svn work | 04:05 |
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| jsgotangco | im sure wiki work will interest a lot of people even if they dont really have svn access | 04:06 |
| mdke | the other thing I was thinking about is translation | 04:06 |
| jsgotangco | (not all really like that work anyway) | 04:06 |
| mdke | yeah | 04:06 |
| mdke | philipacamaniac is keen on wiki work | 04:06 |
| philipacamaniac | true dat true dat | 04:06 |
| jsgotangco | so i guess its a good idea to put the wiki work as a team project | 04:06 |
| jeffsch | yeah | 04:07 |
| mdke | jsgotangco: lets wait and hear more opinions? | 04:07 |
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| mdke | some may be contrary | 04:07 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 04:07 |
| jsgotangco | i'll just keep on improving the projects page and keep it updated as much as possible | 04:07 |
| mdke | :) | 04:08 |
| jsgotangco | but people who want to be involved are free to join in the projects anyway | 04:08 |
| mdke | it looks sexy now | 04:08 |
| mdke | thanks to your breezygoals theme | 04:08 |
| jeffsch | projects page would be a good place for your hypothetical wiki team, mdke | 04:08 |
| jsgotangco | yeah colors make wonders | 04:08 |
| mdke | jeffsch: you don't think we should wait on it a little? | 04:09 |
| jsgotangco | the "status page" is very dependent on the status id of svn docs | 04:09 |
| mdke | yeah | 04:09 |
| jeffsch | mdke: it's very easy to remove | 04:09 |
| mdke | people responsible can generate previews and update status | 04:09 |
| jsgotangco | wonder if mako was the one who generated them | 04:09 |
| mdke | or maybe even autogenerate | 04:09 |
| jsgotangco | its in mako's shell | 04:09 |
| mdke | but manual generate is not v difficult if each member does it for their document | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | (wonder who did this before) | 04:10 |
| jeffsch | where can the previews be hosted? | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, yeah but that means, their status must be standard as well in case they haven't checked the wiki | 04:10 |
| jsgotangco | ill ask mako | 04:11 |
| mdke | jeffsch: in our svn | 04:11 |
| mdke | jeffsch: no? | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | no | 04:11 |
| mdke | just build the html, link to it on the wiki | 04:11 |
| mdke | why not? | 04:11 |
| jeffsch | ahhh... dat right... there ishttp access to svn... | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | right | 04:11 |
| jsgotangco | i forgot about that | 04:11 |
| mdke | [https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/whatever review] | 04:12 |
| mdke | p* | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | we dont need mako's shell then | 04:12 |
| jsgotangco | (those pages are extremely old in the first place) | 04:12 |
| mdke | its cool to have auto, but if the representation thing works, it shouldn't be a big deal IMO | 04:12 |
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| jsgotangco | it shouldn't be difficult for people working on a page to generate the previews IMO as long as the document validates and has a proper stylesheet | 04:14 |
| mdke | yeah i agree | 04:14 |
| mdke | jeffsch is giving us an example ;) | 04:16 |
| jeffsch | any second now... | 04:16 |
| jsgotangco | i have no idea how to generate a script like that | 04:17 |
| mdke | whoops | 04:17 |
| mdke | doesn't work | 04:17 |
| mdke | com/repos/trunk/styleguide/styleguide.html | 04:18 |
| mdke | *coughs* | 04:18 |
| mdke | i haven't quite got the hang of irssi totally yet | 04:18 |
| jeffsch | hmmm... not working so well | 04:20 |
| jeffsch | see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StyleGuide | 04:20 |
| jeffsch | click on Preview... | 04:20 |
| jeffsch | i get html source only | 04:21 |
| mdke | yeah thats what i mean | 04:21 |
| mdke | missing some top tags I guess | 04:21 |
| mdke | get philipacamaniac to have a look at it, he is well good | 04:21 |
| jsgotangco | i only get the source as well | 04:21 |
| philipacamaniac | eh? lemme see | 04:21 |
| jeffsch | the html is good, it must be the server | 04:21 |
| mdke | k | 04:22 |
| mdke | interesting | 04:22 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 04:22 |
| jeffsch | it is not sending proper mime type... should be text/html or some such thing, iirc | 04:22 |
| mdke | guess we need someone to host it then, or have a word with elmo to get an apache server up | 04:22 |
| jeffsch | http://docteam.ubuntu.com/ | 04:23 |
| mdke | yes | 04:23 |
| mdke | good point | 04:23 |
| philipacamaniac | agreed... the html is proper (although no dtd!) | 04:23 |
| mdke | i guess someone can upload to that | 04:24 |
| jsgotangco | or a linode server :) | 04:24 |
| mdke | maybe henrik set it up at sean's recent request | 04:24 |
| mdke | did everyone see greg's article? | 04:24 |
| mdke | http://www.reviewlinux.com/authors/7/Greg-Taylor | 04:25 |
| jeffsch | i saw it. it was good, but i don't know how he came up with 10 out of 10! | 04:25 |
| jsgotangco | extreme bias | 04:25 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 04:25 |
| philipacamaniac | I have seen the same mime-type problems elsewhere in SVN-powered web repos | 04:29 |
| mdke | bug maybe? | 04:29 |
| philipacamaniac | don't know, the actual html that spits out is valid | 04:29 |
| jeffsch | ok, i gotta go for a bit. must eat, and then.... Daleks!!! | 04:30 |
| jeffsch | later | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | bye | 04:30 |
| jsgotangco | have fun | 04:30 |
| mdke | bye | 04:30 |
| philipacamaniac | hasta | 04:30 |
| mdke | first dalek episode? | 04:30 |
| jeffsch | yep | 04:31 |
| jeffsch | ok. now i'm gone. bye | 04:31 |
| mdke | bye | 04:32 |
| jeffsch | no wait, when you say first dalek episode, do you mean the one where the last dalek goes to the light side and then dies in the sun? | 04:32 |
| jeffsch | or do you mean the penultimate episoed, which is on tonight? | 04:33 |
| mdke | penultimate | 04:33 |
| mdke | its the best episode by miles | 04:33 |
| mdke | enjoy | 04:33 |
| jeffsch | ok. that's the one. penultimate. | 04:33 |
| jeffsch | ok. now i'm gone. honest. | 04:33 |
| mdke | heh bye | 04:33 |
| philipacamaniac | I tried that preview in lynx and the source came up...heehee stupid apache config | 04:35 |
| jsgotangco | dalek? | 04:36 |
| jsgotangco | heh let's tell that to elmo | 04:36 |
| mdke | you know what a dalek is jsgotangco | 04:39 |
| mdke | tell me you do | 04:39 |
| philipacamaniac | hmm...daleks...weird UK humor I suppose | 04:39 |
| mdke | not humur | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | i have no idea | 04:40 |
| mdke | *o | 04:40 |
| mdke | its deadly serious | 04:40 |
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| philipacamaniac | okay then my googling has done me in | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | i can undestand american culture, but not english one | 04:40 |
| philipacamaniac | http://www.daleklinks.co.uk/ | 04:40 |
| mdke | daleks are the mortal enemy of Dr Who | 04:40 |
| mdke | they are time travellers created to kill | 04:41 |
| robitaille | and they are on TV in Canada tonight :) | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | we're more fed on spiderman and spawn rather than Dr. Who and Death's head | 04:41 |
| mdke | ah canada too | 04:41 |
| mdke | awesome | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | when i was in sydney i was watching this comedy and i didnt get it at all | 04:41 |
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| mdke | i watched all the Dr Who's this series | 04:44 |
| mdke | ooh | 04:44 |
| mdke | check out the e17 login manager | 04:44 |
| mdke | http://get-e.org/User_Guide/English_images/entrance.png | 04:44 |
| mdke | bootiful | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 04:45 |
| jsgotangco | but e is so 90s | 04:45 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 04:46 |
| robitaille | I can't say I really like it. Maybe it is the colours | 04:46 |
| jsgotangco | it looks strangely like gorilla | 04:46 |
| === mdke grumbles about no taste | ||
| mdke | OMG | 04:47 |
| robitaille | reminds me of the BeOS-like theme I used to have on Mandrake on my work workstation | 04:47 |
| mdke | do you guys just get a shitload of emails | 04:47 |
| mdke | i just got 40 | 04:47 |
| mdke | in 2 mins | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | let me check | 04:47 |
| philipacamaniac | from which list? | 04:47 |
| mdke | bounce notifications from ubuntu-it | 04:47 |
| mdke | jdub: ping? | 04:48 |
| jsgotangco | mako jdub: something wicked is going on with ubuntu-users | 04:48 |
| jsgotangco | mako jdub: i'm getting MANY bounces | 04:48 |
| jsgotangco | hmm same here bounce notifications | 04:48 |
| robitaille | haven't got any bounce notifications with the ubuntu-ca list | 04:48 |
| mdke | it must be caused by the problems at the weekend | 04:48 |
| mdke | some of the bounces however I recognise as being posts which were validly posted to the list more than a month ago | 04:49 |
| philipacamaniac | I'll check the forums, they're hooked up to the user list | 04:49 |
| mdke | argh | 04:49 |
| mdke | 80 emails now | 04:49 |
| mdke | still counting | 04:50 |
| === philipacamaniac would unsubscribe and be gone with the evilness | ||
| mdke | its only for the list i'm admin on | 04:51 |
| mdke | i know jsgotangco and robitaille admin lists tho so that's why I asked | 04:51 |
| jsgotangco | i admin 2 | 04:52 |
| jsgotangco | but quite low traffic | 04:52 |
| robitaille | still not one on the ubuntu-ca list...but we are quite low traffic these days... | 04:53 |
| mdke | hmm | 04:53 |
| mdke | anyway | 04:53 |
| === mdke deletes em | ||
| mdke | hope there is nothing screwy going on | 04:53 |
| mdke | if jdub turns up, mention it | 04:53 |
| mdke | i should go to bed its starting to get light outside | 04:54 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 04:57 |
| jsgotangco | no! | 04:57 |
| jsgotangco | do an all nighter! | 04:57 |
| mdke | hmm | 04:58 |
| mdke | nah i already haven't slept much | 04:58 |
| mdke | cyas | 04:59 |
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| jsgotangco | later | 04:59 |
| squinn | later jerome | 04:59 |
| jdub | jsgotangco: yeah, i'm looking into it atm | 05:00 |
| jdub | jsgotangco: you could remove yourself from the admin list perhaps, to avoid the mails :) | 05:00 |
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| jsgotangco | yaahh | 05:03 |
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| froud | African Greetings | 07:51 |
| froud | jeffsch: why do you checkin presentational formats to svn? | 07:54 |
| froud | jeffsch: if I may make a suggestion. in svn you have a dir called build/ create your makefile so that people can run it and it will create the presentational formats in a build/styleguide/ | 07:56 |
| jsgotangco | froud, it was a test | 07:57 |
| jsgotangco | we were finding a way to fix up DocteamProjects page | 07:57 |
| jsgotangco | without using mako's shell | 07:57 |
| froud | ok, do you know how it works? | 07:58 |
| robitaille | anyone knows if the svg files in the old wiki are currently available anywhere in the new wiki? (http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-June/039440.html) | 07:58 |
| jsgotangco | mako's shell? | 07:58 |
| jsgotangco | no idea | 07:58 |
| jsgotangco | jeffsch thought that it might work since our svn does http | 07:58 |
| jsgotangco | instead we got html code in the browser | 07:59 |
| froud | the process is tho build the docs in html format in build/ then tar.gz and send it to mako | 07:59 |
| jsgotangco | yeah, but mako is another layer | 07:59 |
| froud | if you want to use the build dir I guess it can also work | 07:59 |
| froud | but we should try not to put presnetational formats amongst the source | 08:00 |
| froud | there is a logical reason | 08:00 |
| jsgotangco | froud, it was a test, we're not going to do it again then | 08:00 |
| froud | it because the src gets uploaded to the distro after we tag | 08:00 |
| froud | jsgotangco: it ok, its not a big problem, but I wanted to mention it | 08:01 |
| froud | otherwise we will endup with ppl doing checkin of presentational formats all over the repos | 08:01 |
| jsgotangco | we want to make DocteamProjects give an overall view of what's happening | 08:02 |
| froud | yes, understood | 08:02 |
| froud | did you look at the xsl that creates the owner status | 08:02 |
| jsgotangco | i haven't although thats in my todo list tommorow | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | (can't do everything at the same time) | 08:03 |
| froud | OK, perhaps it may help if we just instate a simple make system like I did for hoary | 08:03 |
| jsgotangco | if that would ease up things on people, it would be of great help | 08:07 |
| froud | what have I done now | 08:08 |
| froud | Hmmm sun released http://open-language-tools.dev.java.net | 08:09 |
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| froud | jsgotangco: do svn up | 09:27 |
| froud | jsgotangco: then with pwd as trunk do make status | 09:27 |
| froud | then look in build | 09:27 |
| froud | you can now generate the status reports with this target. | 09:28 |
| froud | The intention is for these docs to be hosted at http://docteam.ubuntu.com | 09:29 |
| froud | that way you can just link from DocteamProjects | 09:29 |
| froud | these reports may not be accurate for all docs at this time. why? because the reports are generated from the status attributes. Not all of which have been reset | 09:30 |
| froud | Hope this helps | 09:30 |
| froud | jsgotangco: does it work for you? | 09:34 |
| froud | c you later | 09:36 |
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| jsgotangco | hmm nice script by froud | 12:28 |
| jsgotangco | sean seems to be working as usual | 12:29 |
| mdke | which script is that? | 12:33 |
| jsgotangco | the make script for status | 12:34 |
| jsgotangco | (it relies on the status id of the docs though, so it should be made consistent) | 12:34 |
| jsgotangco | some docs still won't play nicely with it | 12:34 |
| mdke | ok | 12:35 |
| mdke | well if you or he posts what he has done to the list, i'm sure that will help people | 12:35 |
| jsgotangco | i'll fix first the status ids | 12:35 |
| mdke | wiki page looks nice | 12:35 |
| jsgotangco | feel free to mess it up with better stuff | 12:36 |
| mdke | would it be ok if I merge the three tables? | 12:36 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 12:36 |
| jsgotangco | how about the wiki projects? | 12:36 |
| mdke | separate heading? | 12:36 |
| jsgotangco | let's try the separate heading first | 12:37 |
| jsgotangco | i was thinking if we merge the tables, we should at least assign priorities to the projects | 12:37 |
| jsgotangco | just for distinction | 12:37 |
| mdke | also I think learnlinux should be removed or at least be marked as deferred | 12:37 |
| mdke | its not a docteam project | 12:37 |
| jsgotangco | i agree but i prefer it if we merge tables, we should have to tag the docs according to priority | 12:38 |
| mdke | how come? | 12:38 |
| jsgotangco | so we'll know which docs will need to be finished much sooner rather than people doing a doc that is not bound to be shipped | 12:39 |
| mdke | well all the other docs should be shipped right? | 12:39 |
| mdke | just learnlinux (not our project) and adminguides (deferred) won't ship | 12:40 |
| jsgotangco | sure but not all | 12:40 |
| mdke | ... | 12:41 |
| jsgotangco | the priority tag is just my opinion | 12:42 |
| jsgotangco | i think we know well what docs are prioritized, but not the community as a whole | 12:42 |
| mdke | well i think its a good idea, but i don't think the lack of those tags stops us from merging the tables right now | 12:42 |
| jsgotangco | i don't mind the table merges though | 12:43 |
| mdke | yay | 12:43 |
| jsgotangco | i have to rush for dinner | 12:44 |
| jsgotangco | there is a forecast of heavy rain later | 12:44 |
| mdke | okey dokey | 12:44 |
| jsgotangco | yay | 12:44 |
| mdke | have a nice dinner | 12:44 |
| jsgotangco | (my wife is leaving in 2 days for KL) | 12:44 |
| jsgotangco | i should make up | 12:44 |
| mdke | make up? | 12:45 |
| jsgotangco | mdke, merge the tables if you want to, i'll just add more stuff to the page when needed | 12:45 |
| mdke | yay | 12:46 |
| mdke | thanks | 12:46 |
| jsgotangco | (like separate them again to 3 priority tables) | 12:46 |
| jsgotangco | HEHEHEHE | 12:46 |
| jsgotangco | jk | 12:46 |
| mdke | ;) | 12:46 |
| jsgotangco | ok im out | 12:46 |
| jsgotangco | later | 12:46 |
| mdke | byeeeee | 12:46 |
| mdke | wiki is a bit slow again | 12:50 |
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| rob^ | does anyone else currently have problems with the faq? | 01:49 |
| rob^ | in revision 1199 | 01:50 |
| rob^ | (the latest) | 01:50 |
| mdke | what sort of problems? | 01:50 |
| rob^ | none of the links work | 01:50 |
| rob^ | in yelp | 01:51 |
| mdke | right | 01:51 |
| mdke | that document is very much work in progress | 01:51 |
| rob^ | yeah, just checking I hadn't done something wrong | 01:51 |
| mdke | rob^: it was ported from ubuntuguide.org but the author does not maintain our version, only the online version | 01:51 |
| rob^ | ah | 01:52 |
| mdke | perhaps we should discuss the status of that document at the next meeting | 01:52 |
| mdke | it is gonna be hard to maintain without the author | 01:52 |
| mdke | it crashes my yelp right now | 01:52 |
| rob^ | ah | 01:53 |
| rob^ | are the meetings here? | 01:53 |
| mdke | they will be in ubuntu-meeting | 01:53 |
| mdke | hopefully every 2 weeks | 01:53 |
| rob^ | cool | 01:54 |
| mdke | jerome will organise them i think | 01:54 |
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| froud | mdke: question? | 03:32 |
| mdke | yes shoot | 03:32 |
| froud | mdke: I understand you would not like to have the profiling method in docs | 03:33 |
| mdke | i have some concerns about it, but I don't know a lot about it | 03:33 |
| mdke | i'd like to discuss it definitely | 03:33 |
| froud | mdke: that's ok, what if I split install guide and make a gnome install and a kde install? | 03:33 |
| mdke | froud, well I don't have any technical problems with the profiling, i was just concerned about new users finding it difficult | 03:34 |
| mdke | i think if they were split it might be easier to manage | 03:34 |
| mdke | what do you think? | 03:34 |
| froud | mdke: I explained it in long message :-) but if ppl don't grep it then we will have to rm it | 03:35 |
| froud | I am happy to do this | 03:35 |
| froud | I have been pondering things | 03:36 |
| mdke | froud, ok to find out what everyone thinks I'd suggest discussing it at the next meeting, hopefully jerome will organise one for next week | 03:36 |
| mdke | i know its possible to work in profile, but it might be a little more complex, that's all | 03:36 |
| froud | and as I now see it, perhaps we have gnome working in the gnome way and kde working in the kde way | 03:36 |
| mdke | hmm | 03:37 |
| froud | technically possible and from a human perspective it seems that people will grep it better | 03:37 |
| mdke | ok so are you happy to raise it at the meeting? | 03:37 |
| froud | I was hoping for a more eligant solution, but hey can't have everything | 03:37 |
| froud | mdke: I respect all the meeting stuff, but it really slows down waht can be done | 03:38 |
| froud | I have to wait a week just in order to impliment a 30 min change | 03:38 |
| mdke | froud, its a team decision IMO | 03:39 |
| mdke | it should have been a team decision in the first place | 03:39 |
| froud | mdke: not going there | 03:39 |
| froud | what people need is to write | 03:40 |
| mdke | well you asked my opinion, so my opinion is, the team should decide on the profiling issue at a meeting | 03:40 |
| froud | for gnome the docs are there | 03:40 |
| froud | Hmm, ok, when did you say that meeting is? | 03:40 |
| mdke | i hope they will be 2 weekly | 03:40 |
| mdke | so that will mean next week | 03:40 |
| mdke | but its up to jerome | 03:40 |
| froud | Hmm I thought it was a team decision :-) dig dig | 03:41 |
| froud | Ok well thanks | 03:41 |
| mdke | well its difficult to have a meeting to decide when the next meeting will be | 03:42 |
| froud | email? | 03:42 |
| mdke | yes | 03:42 |
| froud | send message | 03:42 |
| mdke | hopefully they will be a regular affair now so it won't be necessary | 03:42 |
| mdke | but jerome said he would take care of it | 03:42 |
| froud | I reallydontmind, so long as meetings are short, focused and dont just add to the overhead | 03:43 |
| mdke | i know it will slow things down for you, but it will help the team | 03:43 |
| froud | well I will do what I can for now, so at least ppl can get doing | 03:43 |
| mdke | what do you mean? | 03:44 |
| froud | mdke: can you test the make status target | 03:44 |
| mdke | froud, i tried it earlier, but it didn't work on my gentoo machine | 03:44 |
| froud | Hmm your xsl's are not in the same place as debian | 03:44 |
| mdke | possibly due to a path issue | 03:44 |
| mdke | yeah exactly | 03:45 |
| froud | wanted to use xml catalogs for that kind of resolving, but they are complcicated and made it hard for newbies to get setup | 03:45 |
| mdke | is it possible to get it to use an xsl in the ubuntu-doc/ archive itself? | 03:45 |
| mdke | that would make it distro non-specific | 03:45 |
| froud | yes I can import docbook xsl's and re-engineer from there | 03:46 |
| froud | you want that? | 03:46 |
| mdke | would that be a lot of work you think? | 03:46 |
| froud | no | 03:46 |
| froud | about 15 mins | 03:46 |
| mdke | any disadvantages? | 03:46 |
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| froud | none really | 03:47 |
| mdke | well i don't really know enough about docbook to comment | 03:47 |
| froud | it does not really matter where the xsl's are | 03:47 |
| froud | so long as the system can process with them | 03:47 |
| mdke | you could try it maybe | 03:48 |
| froud | I have about five installations on one of my systems to cater for various things | 03:48 |
| mdke | heh | 03:48 |
| froud | ok where would you like them? | 03:48 |
| mdke | i have no idea | 03:49 |
| mdke | where do you think is best? | 03:49 |
| mdke | teamstuff? | 03:49 |
| froud | thinking libs/ all the other xsl custom layers are there | 03:49 |
| mdke | whatever you think best | 03:50 |
| froud | libs/docbook xsl | 03:50 |
| froud | libs/docbook-xsl | 03:50 |
| mdke | also if you can tell the list about the target, we can use/test it | 03:50 |
| froud | hmm ok | 03:50 |
| mdke | :) | 03:51 |
| mdke | right I'll bbl | 03:51 |
| froud | what about I do libs/currentxsl where currentxsl is a link to docbook-xsl in vendor/ | 03:52 |
| froud | hmm, but then everyone needs vendor | 03:52 |
| froud | no bad idea | 03:52 |
| froud | OK | 03:52 |
| froud | I 'll figure it | 03:52 |
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| mdke | froud, saw the make status email, same error here for me | 04:52 |
| froud | what box you on? | 04:52 |
| mdke | http://pastebin.com/302502 | 04:52 |
| mdke | gentoo | 04:53 |
| froud | cant work on gentoo | 04:53 |
| froud | as you said | 04:53 |
| mdke | oh i c | 04:53 |
| mdke | ok | 04:53 |
| froud | paths != to ubuntu | 04:53 |
| mdke | yeah | 04:54 |
| froud | but you can test it | 04:54 |
| mdke | so did you decide not to change that? | 04:54 |
| froud | check /usr/share/xml/docbook | 04:54 |
| froud | you shoul dhave stylesheets or current or something down there | 04:54 |
| mdke | no | 04:54 |
| mdke | they are somewhere else | 04:54 |
| mdke | maybe I can copy em | 04:54 |
| froud | no just change the path in html-cust.xsl | 04:55 |
| froud | you should see my suse one commented out | 04:55 |
| froud | you can do the same | 04:55 |
| mdke | ah kewl | 04:56 |
| mdke | i _think_ mine are in /usr/share/sgml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets-1.66.1/ | 04:56 |
| froud | yes that is also possible, but that is a very old location for them | 04:56 |
| froud | wonder why gentoo did not update it | 04:56 |
| froud | well we can ask the same of ubuntu/debian? | 04:57 |
| mdke | i guess maybe its an older version of docbook | 04:57 |
| mdke | so I put the path in the "imports" section of html-cust? | 04:57 |
| froud | yeah that should do it for you | 04:58 |
| mdke | is it this one: | 04:58 |
| mdke | /usr/share/sgml/docbook/xsl-stylesheets-1.66.1/html/profile-chunk.xsl? | 04:59 |
| mdke | oh no | 04:59 |
| mdke | xhtml | 04:59 |
| mdke | froud, can I add it or do I need to comment out the other import line? | 04:59 |
| froud | yes | 05:00 |
| froud | html not xhtml | 05:00 |
| mdke | ok | 05:00 |
| mdke | crap | 05:01 |
| mdke | doesn't work | 05:01 |
| mdke | this is the part of the file: | 05:02 |
| mdke | http://pastebin.com/302505 | 05:02 |
| mdke | i get this error: | 05:02 |
| mdke | warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/docbook.xsl" | 05:02 |
| mdke | cannot parse /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/docbook.xsl | 05:02 |
| froud | you still have the wrong path | 05:02 |
| mdke | why is it looking for the nwalsh thing if that is commented out? | 05:03 |
| mdke | is it calling another file? | 05:03 |
| froud | <!-- <xsl:import href="/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/current/html/profile-chunk.xsl"/> --> | 05:04 |
| froud | <!--<xsl:import href="/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/xhtml/profile-chunk.xsl"/>--> | 05:04 |
| froud | ADD YOURS HERE | 05:04 |
| froud | <xsl:include href="common-cust.xsl"/> | 05:04 |
| froud | Hmmm I see | 05:05 |
| froud | now | 05:05 |
| froud | my mistake | 05:05 |
| froud | in Makefile | 05:05 |
| froud | look at constant NWDBXSL | 05:05 |
| mdke | ok | 05:05 |
| froud | chang ethe SuSE one to your path | 05:06 |
| mdke | yeah | 05:06 |
| mdke | doing | 05:06 |
| froud | try that | 05:06 |
| mdke | that seems to be working better | 05:07 |
| froud | :-) | 05:07 |
| mdke | yeah works nice | 05:07 |
| froud | cool | 05:07 |
| mdke | froud, preview next ;) | 05:07 |
| mdke | does the make html thing still work? | 05:07 |
| froud | huh? | 05:08 |
| froud | no | 05:08 |
| froud | working on it | 05:08 |
| froud | doing seperate make systems | 05:08 |
| froud | 1 gnome 1 kde | 05:08 |
| mdke | right cool | 05:08 |
| froud | drive from trunk/Makefile | 05:08 |
| mdke | why separate? | 05:09 |
| mdke | maybe just a "make preview" like this "make status" | 05:09 |
| froud | but me thinks you chaps dont want HTML only us KDE farts :-) | 05:09 |
| mdke | well the DocteamProjects page is supposed to link to html previews | 05:09 |
| froud | yes | 05:09 |
| froud | the previews should and stus should go on docteam.u.c | 05:10 |
| froud | requested status update on that today | 05:10 |
| froud | mdke: did you grep what I mean?> | 05:11 |
| mdke | ? | 05:11 |
| froud | DocteamProject > Status + Previews @ docteam.ubuntu.com | 05:11 |
| froud | asked hendrik if he could arrange that | 05:12 |
| mdke | sure | 05:12 |
| mdke | there is already an apache server there | 05:12 |
| froud | yes | 05:12 |
| froud | and the url is there | 05:12 |
| froud | yes need permission to do it | 05:12 |
| mdke | well perhaps henrik has upload | 05:13 |
| froud | and of course some way to make this build on schedule at thathost | 05:13 |
| mdke | once the make status and make preview is done he can upload from /build | 05:13 |
| mdke | yes that shouldn't be hard I guess | 05:13 |
| froud | yes, that would be a manual way | 05:13 |
| froud | I was thinking more automatic | 05:13 |
| mdke | i'm sure auto won't be hard | 05:13 |
| froud | since svn is on that box | 05:13 |
| mdke | yep | 05:14 |
| froud | otherwise linode it | 05:14 |
| mdke | yep | 05:14 |
| mdke | or linode both | 05:14 |
| froud | and we can do svn build from there | 05:14 |
| froud | no svn stay at canonical | 05:14 |
| froud | canonical server good | 05:14 |
| mdke | heh | 05:15 |
| mdke | team decision :p | 05:15 |
| mdke | jerome has been making linode noises for svn | 05:15 |
| mdke | anyway, no big deal | 05:15 |
| froud | cant see why we need it | 05:15 |
| mdke | good work on the make status | 05:15 |
| froud | He he your gonna kill me later | 05:15 |
| froud | but then speed does kill | 05:16 |
| mdke | y? | 05:16 |
| froud | :-) | 05:16 |
| froud | c ya later | 05:28 |
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| squinn | good day, folks..how are ya? | 08:08 |
| froud | cooking with gas, being my normal troublesome self, and you | 08:09 |
| squinn | i'm alright | 08:10 |
| squinn | gas can't be cooked with right now, it's raining. typical florida summer. | 08:10 |
| froud | yeah that place has so much water | 08:10 |
| squinn | I'm working on Bugzilla, just a little bit and about to try to package something for the first time. Then will submit some patches to user guide. | 08:11 |
| squinn | Since I reached good stopping point in GTA | 08:11 |
| froud | cool, gnome userguide | 08:11 |
| froud | lekker | 08:11 |
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| squinn | Hey, Sean [froud] , question? | 08:14 |
| froud | ya | 08:15 |
| squinn | When will I know if my commit account is ready? | 08:16 |
| froud | he he dude, that depends on elmo, sometimes it takes a day sometimes a week. As I said, you should give it about a week. Then we will start looking for elmo and send heat seeking missles after him. | 08:18 |
| squinn | Ooh, yay. Violence and destruction haha | 08:18 |
| mdke | squinn, you should feel free to send patches in the meantime! | 08:19 |
| mdke | we'll apply em quick | 08:19 |
| squinn | I am working on some right now, mdke. | 08:20 |
| squinn | And froud, I'm about ready to send the new gnome-doc-utils to its Ubuntu package maintainer. | 08:20 |
| squinn | So he could put it in breezy. | 08:20 |
| froud | cool stuff | 08:21 |
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| froud | [ANNOUNCE] OUTLINE TO KUBUNTU USER GUIDE OPEN FOR CONTRIBUTIONS https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/kde/kuserguide/C/kuserguide.xml | 09:23 |
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| squinn | froud, you alive? | 09:33 |
| froud | rocking and a cock'n | 09:33 |
| squinn | alrighty | 09:33 |
| squinn | i'm talking to shaunm on GIMPnet | 09:34 |
| froud | yep | 09:34 |
| squinn | he's the maintainer, developer, and sabdfl in regards to gnome-doc-utils. | 09:34 |
| froud | and you want me to join | 09:34 |
| squinn | nah. | 09:34 |
| squinn | Just giving you an update of our talk. | 09:35 |
| squinn | Now, the package we have in Breezy is 0.2.0.0-ubuntu1, and latest package is going to be 2.3.1 | 09:35 |
| froud | OK, so what's up | 09:35 |
| squinn | rather | 09:35 |
| squinn | 0.31* | 09:35 |
| froud | yep | 09:35 |
| froud | ... and | 09:35 |
| squinn | I was under the impression thanks to GNOME cvs that this was out, so I went hunting to send it to its Debian maintainer. | 09:35 |
| froud | ah, and | 09:35 |
| squinn | I met up with shaunm to ask him where source was and he said it's not out yet. | 09:36 |
| squinn | The big news is..it should be out by this weekend. | 09:36 |
| froud | -) | 09:36 |
| squinn | Which is AWESOME to here. | 09:36 |
| squinn | hear. | 09:36 |
| froud | yeah, its cool, but I have yet to see what it does to fix issues | 09:36 |
| froud | is there a new feature list somewhere | 09:36 |
| squinn | supposedly would fix endterm attribute | 09:36 |
| mdke | squinn, the package will be in breezy in time | 09:36 |
| squinn | uh, changelog on gnome cvs | 09:36 |
| froud | cave my head in | 09:37 |
| squinn | http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-doc-utils/ChangeLog?rev=1.232&view=log | 09:37 |
| squinn | froud ^ | 09:37 |
| squinn | mdke, i know | 09:37 |
| mdke | it is difficult to rush the process, seb will take the package from cvs and put it in debian, then it will be synched with breezy | 09:37 |
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| squinn | mdke, i just learned how that whole process works from MOTUS | 09:38 |
| squinn | MOTUs* | 09:38 |
| squinn | I'm like the intern, if you will. Running errands for maintainers, etc. | 09:38 |
| mdke | well that is up to you ;) | 09:39 |
| squinn | So, I look at bugs on Bugzilla and Malone and file as such. Right now, I'm downloading latest amule and wxGTK and wxBase and firing them up to respective maintainers. | 09:39 |
| squinn | It's fun, I just gotta send this up to our maintainer who will send it to Debian. | 09:40 |
| squinn | I could just go directly to Debian, but I like letting our guy or girl know what's going on. | 09:40 |
| froud | Hmmm dude how would you like to do that for eSvn please | 09:41 |
| squinn | eSvn? | 09:41 |
| squinn | esubversion? | 09:41 |
| squinn | oh, no esvn | 09:41 |
| froud | http://esvn.umputun.com/ | 09:41 |
| squinn | will do, | 09:42 |
| froud | somewhere the debmaintainer lost it | 09:42 |
| squinn | sure | 09:42 |
| froud | magic dude | 09:42 |
| squinn | debmaintainer = OUR deb maintainer or THEIR deb maintainer | 09:42 |
| froud | both :-) | 09:43 |
| froud | actually I think the debian one for esvn | 09:43 |
| squinn | Well, send it to OUR maintainer for esvn then, right? | 09:43 |
| froud | either way I think it will work | 09:43 |
| squinn | what version do you want? | 09:44 |
| squinn | .6.9 or .6.11? | 09:44 |
| froud | I have a commit account for that project so if you need help | 09:44 |
| squinn | I'm fine there. | 09:44 |
| froud | stable is 6.8 but I hav eused 6.11 and found it good | 09:45 |
| froud | squinn: give me a sect just try to get t he head dev | 09:46 |
| froud | trying to raise him, gimme a sect I want to get an idea of the release schedule | 09:48 |
| squinn | 6.10 is unstable and 6.11's probably more unstable | 09:49 |
| squinn | i'll go with 6.9 because it's "testing" and it's got a .tar.gx | 09:49 |
| squinn | .gz* | 09:49 |
| froud | squinn: 6.11 is final end of this month | 09:49 |
| froud | perhaps its best to wait until then | 09:49 |
| froud | I may also have to update the user manuals | 09:50 |
| froud | but 0.7.0 is in works and is buggy at present | 09:50 |
| squinn | oh ok | 09:51 |
| squinn | i'll wait till end of month | 09:52 |
| froud | yep confirmed I have doc updates | 09:53 |
| froud | and there is still bugs to be resolved. month end better. I will ping you | 09:53 |
| squinn | k | 09:54 |
| squinn | make sure it's before july 7th [or try to] | 09:54 |
| squinn | because that's when new packages from upstream stop | 09:54 |
| squinn | wait, it doesn't matter | 09:54 |
| squinn | if it's an increment up, then it's fine | 09:54 |
| mdke | hey froud | 09:54 |
| froud | yep | 09:54 |
| mdke | is there a list of different statuses for documents? | 09:54 |
| froud | how do you mean? | 09:55 |
| mdke | status="review" | 09:55 |
| mdke | like, status="review a bit more" | 09:55 |
| froud | yes | 09:55 |
| mdke | something that lists all the possible statuses | 09:55 |
| froud | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamWork | 09:55 |
| froud | only those status's otheriwse the status reports dont work | 09:56 |
| froud | if you add status must update scripts | 09:56 |
| mdke | right | 09:56 |
| mdke | ok i'll use reviewing | 09:57 |
| mdke | thanks froud | 09:57 |
| froud | are mailing lists down again | 10:04 |
| mdke | don't think so | 10:07 |
| mdke | y? | 10:07 |
| froud | mdke: did you get the messages I sent and the commits | 10:07 |
| mdke | i got to [ANNOUNCE] one | 10:08 |
| mdke | to/the | 10:08 |
| froud | Hmm OK | 10:09 |
| squinn | yes and i got commits | 10:09 |
| squinn | and annoucne | 10:09 |
| froud | Hmmm must be the link to co.za | 10:09 |
| froud | good news we have a femal deputy prime minister maybe oneday we will have a female prime minister | 10:12 |
| mdke | hmm | 10:12 |
| mdke | that didn't go well for us | 10:12 |
| mdke | ;) | 10:12 |
| froud | maggie did a great job | 10:13 |
| mdke | hmmm | 10:13 |
| === mdke is not convinced | ||
| froud | mdke: you want an argument :-) | 10:13 |
| mdke | heh | 10:13 |
| mdke | not about that | 10:13 |
| mdke | :p | 10:13 |
| mdke | ahhh | 10:16 |
| mdke | been a while since I committed anything | 10:16 |
| Burgundavia | we have had one as well | 10:19 |
| Burgundavia | that didn't go so well for her | 10:19 |
| Burgundavia | she got sandbagged by her previous male counterpart | 10:19 |
| Burgundavia | and the populace reduced her party to 2 seats | 10:19 |
| mdke | canada is progressive | 10:20 |
| mdke | lots of women judges | 10:20 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:20 |
| Burgundavia | and same-sex marriage | 10:20 |
| mdke | argh! | 10:20 |
| Burgundavia | even same-sex divorce | 10:20 |
| mdke | heh | 10:21 |
| froud | cool that's the way | 10:21 |
| Burgundavia | that was kind of funny | 10:21 |
| Burgundavia | the court ruled about marriage, but the divorce law explicitly said man/women, so they had to go to court to get that changed, in order to get divorced | 10:21 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| mdke | well in this country they only abolished the law that said rape between married people was impossible in 1991 | 10:23 |
| mdke | so we're miled behind | 10:23 |
| mdke | miled/miles | 10:23 |
| Burgundavia | even Spain is pushing ahead with same-sex marriage | 10:23 |
| Burgundavia | which surprised me | 10:24 |
| mdke | yeah me too | 10:24 |
| froud | nite | 10:32 |
| mdke | night | 10:33 |
| froud | mdke: when I wake up I expect to see that you have finsihed writing the Ubuntu User Guide, OK ;-) | 10:33 |
| mdke | heh | 10:33 |
| mdke | bit at a time | 10:33 |
| froud | nite | 10:33 |
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