=== mdke_ [~matt@81-178-109-10.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jeff-away is now known as jeffsch [12:04] wb jeffsch [12:05] mdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda [12:06] jeffsch, language packs? [12:06] you wanna do the xml vs html thing at tb? [12:07] i would like a docmeeting on it first [12:08] but in principal yeah sure [12:08] the reason I wanted to go to TB was basically to make them start to see us working together as a team [12:08] us = docteam and -devel === mdke_ [~matt@81-178-109-10.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ is now known as mkde === mdke_ [~matt@81-178-109-10.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ is now known as mkde [12:17] ping mkde [12:17] mkde how is it going [12:24] hummm...very interesting conversation this afternoon between mdke and mdke :) [12:24] yeah [12:25] just trying to figure out irssi [12:26] thinking of using it permanently from now on [12:30] same here. I switched last night from xchat to irssi [12:30] often I have to access irc remotely from my home machine, and doing it with xchat was a killer [12:30] *grins* [12:31] i'm gonna use screen [12:31] that was the killer which provoked the change [12:31] do you use it? [12:31] life would be so much easier if irc was available at work.... [12:31] never used screen [12:31] it allows you to keep a terminal even if you lose X [12:32] And it's good for when you need someone to hack into comp. [12:32] so you can run irssi in it, mark yourself as away, ssh in and check your messages [12:32] Like for teck support. [12:32] tech [12:32] yeah? [12:33] yep. [12:34] are you saying its makes my computer insecure? [12:34] its/it === mdke [~matt@mdke.user] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:39] ok am officially switched to irssi [12:41] it works pretty well. I still have to get use to some of the keyboard shortcuts. [12:41] yeah i just restarted X [12:41] its so cool [12:42] next step is to use mutt and elinks, then you don't need X anymore :) [12:42] yes [12:42] mutt will be next [12:42] but i use a quite default ubuntu install on my laptop, which is what I use for email [12:42] so I will continue with evo [12:44] I have been using mutt on and off for years. But recently I started using thunderbird most of the time. I'm sure I'll get fed up in the the few weeks and switch back to mutt. I always do... [12:44] yeah [12:45] does it do gpg? [12:45] yes [12:45] hmm [12:45] and you get to look geek too [12:47] i am test running enlightenment right now [12:48] I just killed about 30 mono threads and beagle [12:48] went from 100% ram usage to about 20% [12:48] lol [12:48] breezy :D [12:48] stupid beagle/blam bug [12:48] and Burgundavia call's me crazy for running gentoo [12:49] running gentoo is crazy [12:49] because when Breezy releases I will have a stable system, and you will still have gentoo [12:49] nah [12:49] you'll have a stable system for 2 weeks [12:49] then you'll be on breezy+1 [12:49] I waited a month to jump to breezy [12:50] you have more aggregate instability ;) [12:50] depends what breakage they plan for breezy+1 [12:50] heh [12:50] I still haven't swtich to Breezy. I run it in a 2nd partition, but it still feels a bit too unstable for "production" work (a.k.a to use by the rest of the family at home) [12:51] my brother is still on hoary [12:51] today nautilus was borked [12:51] until I restated it and killed all the zombie threads [12:51] now I have desktop wallpaper again! [12:51] i had that here [12:53] yeah, hoary's nautilus seems to freezy on me every few days. It's a good thing I'm 95% of the time in the command line. [12:53] s/freezy/freeze [12:54] why does clock-applet use 35 mb of ram? [12:54] and FUSA uses 25 [12:54] how about gnome-cups-icon at 36, and I don't even have a printer [12:56] or evo-exchange-storage at 39 mb. I neither use evo or connect to an exchange server [12:56] bbl [12:56] Burgundavia: they almost certainly don't [12:56] Burgundavia: they almost certainly are using very little each [12:56] Burgundavia: it'll be almost all shared [12:56] ok [12:57] Kinnison, what is new in your life? [12:57] Burgundavia: Not much, I just submitted a merge to get Aranha actually generating content [12:57] Burgundavia: and now I'm off to bed, trusting that it'll pass without me needing to handhold it [12:57] aranha? [12:57] http://wiki.digital-scurf.org/Aranha === Burgundavia now has right-click not crashing xchat! [01:37] gtaylor... [01:37] has written an article about Ubuntu! [01:38] http://www.reviewlinux.com/articles/8/1/Ubuntu---A-New-Approach-to-Desktop-Linux [01:40] mdke: you should subscribe to the sounder list. Someone posted that url last night. [01:41] hmm [01:41] too much email [01:41] but gtaylor comes in here, he is cool [01:42] it's a low-traffic list (generally...). Look at Comment #7 from that article. Someone arguying that XP/2000 is better than Ubuntu and this article is FUD :) [01:42] yeah i saw that [01:42] i won't say linux doesn't have some issues [01:43] but windows _DOES_ need to be restarted frequently [01:43] every time you install a simple card game [01:44] and its also important to note that my flatmates wifi card doesn't work under XP, whereas my card works fine with reverse engineered hacked up drivers === philipacamaniac [~philip@ip68-228-49-137.tc.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:49] what was that program that will do some video recordings of your screen in swf or some format? [03:51] istanbul maybe === mdke goes to look === squinn [~squinn@68.205.198.0] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:51] good morning jsgotangco/squinn! [03:52] hmmm... first mdke was talking to himself, and now he's answering his own questions.... [03:52] too much work, methinks [03:53] heh [03:53] i had the word turkey in my head [03:53] http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ [03:53] got there in the end [03:53] robitaille: vnc is a bit tricky tho [03:53] or can I do it localhost? [03:53] morning [03:53] I don't know; never tried I just know that this is what was used for the Beagles demos [03:54] I LOOOVVEE MEDIAWIKI [03:54] yes i watched those demos [03:54] they were sweet [03:54] i looove jsgotangco [03:54] you want a taste of my whip? [03:54] We all love mediawiki...let's fork the Ubuntu wiki :) [03:54] jsgotangco: good work on DocteamProjects [03:55] good [morning?] jsgotangco and mdke [03:55] i haven [03:55] i haven't even started [03:55] jsgotangco: even better :D [03:55] when you're done, there's the rest of the wiki :) [03:56] what did you guys think of my wiki team email? [03:57] hmmm wiki janitors? [03:58] i like the idea [03:58] I started making a list of all the pages on CategoryDocteam that need some updating, revising, or rethinking [03:58] wiki farmers? [03:59] personally I think the idea ofa wiki team is a good one. [03:59] the list got too long, so I gave up. They all need some love [03:59] yes the docteam pages need love so that the team will get more hits :) [04:00] there is also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/doc that we should consider [04:01] yeah exactly [04:02] henriks idea [04:03] hmm [04:03] this is too much for my brain to handle now [04:03] ok [04:03] reply on list whenever you fancy [04:03] there are far too many issues we have to address [04:04] the best way probably is to decentralize all work at the moment whoever wants to lead on [04:04] too many? [04:04] and put it all together in the projects page so we know all what is happening [04:04] not just on the svn [04:05] yeah IMHO that page should become the central page for us [04:05] so far i only see 5 names on the page and its all svn work === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:06] im sure wiki work will interest a lot of people even if they dont really have svn access [04:06] the other thing I was thinking about is translation [04:06] (not all really like that work anyway) [04:06] yeah [04:06] philipacamaniac is keen on wiki work [04:06] true dat true dat [04:06] so i guess its a good idea to put the wiki work as a team project [04:07] yeah [04:07] jsgotangco: lets wait and hear more opinions? === robitaille also keen on doing some wiki gardening [04:07] some may be contrary [04:07] sure [04:07] i'll just keep on improving the projects page and keep it updated as much as possible [04:08] :) [04:08] but people who want to be involved are free to join in the projects anyway [04:08] it looks sexy now [04:08] thanks to your breezygoals theme [04:08] projects page would be a good place for your hypothetical wiki team, mdke [04:08] yeah colors make wonders [04:09] jeffsch: you don't think we should wait on it a little? [04:09] the "status page" is very dependent on the status id of svn docs [04:09] yeah [04:09] mdke: it's very easy to remove [04:09] people responsible can generate previews and update status [04:09] wonder if mako was the one who generated them [04:09] or maybe even autogenerate [04:09] its in mako's shell [04:10] but manual generate is not v difficult if each member does it for their document [04:10] (wonder who did this before) [04:10] where can the previews be hosted? [04:10] mdke, yeah but that means, their status must be standard as well in case they haven't checked the wiki [04:11] ill ask mako [04:11] jeffsch: in our svn [04:11] jeffsch: no? [04:11] no [04:11] just build the html, link to it on the wiki [04:11] why not? [04:11] ahhh... dat right... there ishttp access to svn... [04:11] hmm [04:11] right [04:11] i forgot about that [04:12] [https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/whatever review] [04:12] p* [04:12] we dont need mako's shell then [04:12] (those pages are extremely old in the first place) [04:12] its cool to have auto, but if the representation thing works, it shouldn't be a big deal IMO === otep [~otep@AP-203.167.31.177.sysads.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:14] it shouldn't be difficult for people working on a page to generate the previews IMO as long as the document validates and has a proper stylesheet [04:14] yeah i agree [04:16] jeffsch is giving us an example ;) [04:16] any second now... [04:17] i have no idea how to generate a script like that [04:17] whoops [04:17] doesn't work [04:18] com/repos/trunk/styleguide/styleguide.html [04:18] *coughs* [04:18] i haven't quite got the hang of irssi totally yet [04:20] hmmm... not working so well [04:20] see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StyleGuide [04:20] click on Preview... [04:21] i get html source only [04:21] yeah thats what i mean [04:21] missing some top tags I guess [04:21] get philipacamaniac to have a look at it, he is well good [04:21] i only get the source as well [04:21] eh? lemme see [04:21] the html is good, it must be the server [04:22] k [04:22] interesting [04:22] hmm [04:22] it is not sending proper mime type... should be text/html or some such thing, iirc [04:22] guess we need someone to host it then, or have a word with elmo to get an apache server up [04:23] http://docteam.ubuntu.com/ [04:23] yes [04:23] good point [04:23] agreed... the html is proper (although no dtd!) [04:24] i guess someone can upload to that [04:24] or a linode server :) [04:24] maybe henrik set it up at sean's recent request [04:24] did everyone see greg's article? [04:25] http://www.reviewlinux.com/authors/7/Greg-Taylor [04:25] i saw it. it was good, but i don't know how he came up with 10 out of 10! [04:25] extreme bias [04:25] heh [04:29] I have seen the same mime-type problems elsewhere in SVN-powered web repos [04:29] bug maybe? [04:29] don't know, the actual html that spits out is valid [04:30] ok, i gotta go for a bit. must eat, and then.... Daleks!!! [04:30] later [04:30] bye [04:30] have fun [04:30] bye [04:30] hasta [04:30] first dalek episode? [04:31] yep [04:31] ok. now i'm gone. bye [04:32] bye [04:32] no wait, when you say first dalek episode, do you mean the one where the last dalek goes to the light side and then dies in the sun? [04:33] or do you mean the penultimate episoed, which is on tonight? [04:33] penultimate [04:33] its the best episode by miles [04:33] enjoy [04:33] ok. that's the one. penultimate. [04:33] ok. now i'm gone. honest. [04:33] heh bye [04:35] I tried that preview in lynx and the source came up...heehee stupid apache config [04:36] dalek? [04:36] heh let's tell that to elmo [04:39] you know what a dalek is jsgotangco [04:39] tell me you do [04:39] hmm...daleks...weird UK humor I suppose [04:40] not humur [04:40] i have no idea [04:40] *o [04:40] its deadly serious === mdke exterminates jsgotangco [04:40] okay then my googling has done me in [04:40] i can undestand american culture, but not english one [04:40] http://www.daleklinks.co.uk/ [04:40] daleks are the mortal enemy of Dr Who [04:41] they are time travellers created to kill [04:41] and they are on TV in Canada tonight :) [04:41] we're more fed on spiderman and spawn rather than Dr. Who and Death's head [04:41] ah canada too [04:41] awesome [04:41] when i was in sydney i was watching this comedy and i didnt get it at all === robitaille used to watch Doctor Who on PBS every Saturday night [04:44] i watched all the Dr Who's this series [04:44] ooh [04:44] check out the e17 login manager [04:44] http://get-e.org/User_Guide/English_images/entrance.png [04:44] bootiful [04:45] wow [04:45] but e is so 90s [04:46] hehe [04:46] I can't say I really like it. Maybe it is the colours [04:46] it looks strangely like gorilla === mdke grumbles about no taste [04:47] OMG [04:47] reminds me of the BeOS-like theme I used to have on Mandrake on my work workstation [04:47] do you guys just get a shitload of emails [04:47] i just got 40 [04:47] in 2 mins [04:47] hmm [04:47] let me check [04:47] from which list? [04:47] bounce notifications from ubuntu-it [04:48] jdub: ping? [04:48] mako jdub: something wicked is going on with ubuntu-users [04:48] mako jdub: i'm getting MANY bounces [04:48] hmm same here bounce notifications [04:48] haven't got any bounce notifications with the ubuntu-ca list [04:48] it must be caused by the problems at the weekend [04:49] some of the bounces however I recognise as being posts which were validly posted to the list more than a month ago [04:49] I'll check the forums, they're hooked up to the user list [04:49] argh [04:49] 80 emails now [04:50] still counting === philipacamaniac would unsubscribe and be gone with the evilness [04:51] its only for the list i'm admin on [04:51] i know jsgotangco and robitaille admin lists tho so that's why I asked [04:52] i admin 2 [04:52] but quite low traffic [04:53] still not one on the ubuntu-ca list...but we are quite low traffic these days... [04:53] hmm [04:53] anyway === mdke deletes em [04:53] hope there is nothing screwy going on [04:53] if jdub turns up, mention it [04:54] i should go to bed its starting to get light outside [04:57] hehe [04:57] no! [04:57] do an all nighter! [04:58] hmm [04:58] nah i already haven't slept much [04:59] cyas === squinn [~squinn@68.205.198.0] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:59] later [04:59] later jerome [05:00] jsgotangco: yeah, i'm looking into it atm [05:00] jsgotangco: you could remove yourself from the admin list perhaps, to avoid the mails :) === jdub has received over 3000 [05:03] yaahh === mpt [~mpt@203-167-186-117.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jiyuu0 [~jiyuu0@219.95.247.214] has joined #ubuntu-doc === froud [~sean@ndn-165-139-210.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:51] African Greetings [07:54] jeffsch: why do you checkin presentational formats to svn? [07:56] jeffsch: if I may make a suggestion. in svn you have a dir called build/ create your makefile so that people can run it and it will create the presentational formats in a build/styleguide/ [07:57] froud, it was a test [07:57] we were finding a way to fix up DocteamProjects page [07:57] without using mako's shell [07:58] ok, do you know how it works? [07:58] anyone knows if the svg files in the old wiki are currently available anywhere in the new wiki? (http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-June/039440.html) [07:58] mako's shell? [07:58] no idea [07:58] jeffsch thought that it might work since our svn does http [07:59] instead we got html code in the browser [07:59] the process is tho build the docs in html format in build/ then tar.gz and send it to mako [07:59] yeah, but mako is another layer [07:59] if you want to use the build dir I guess it can also work [08:00] but we should try not to put presnetational formats amongst the source [08:00] there is a logical reason [08:00] froud, it was a test, we're not going to do it again then [08:00] it because the src gets uploaded to the distro after we tag [08:01] jsgotangco: it ok, its not a big problem, but I wanted to mention it [08:01] otherwise we will endup with ppl doing checkin of presentational formats all over the repos [08:02] we want to make DocteamProjects give an overall view of what's happening [08:02] yes, understood [08:02] did you look at the xsl that creates the owner status [08:03] i haven't although thats in my todo list tommorow [08:03] (can't do everything at the same time) [08:03] OK, perhaps it may help if we just instate a simple make system like I did for hoary [08:07] if that would ease up things on people, it would be of great help [08:08] what have I done now [08:09] Hmmm sun released http://open-language-tools.dev.java.net === jdub_ [~jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === FLeiXiuS [~fleixius@pcp0011790326pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:27] jsgotangco: do svn up [09:27] jsgotangco: then with pwd as trunk do make status [09:27] then look in build [09:28] you can now generate the status reports with this target. [09:29] The intention is for these docs to be hosted at http://docteam.ubuntu.com [09:29] that way you can just link from DocteamProjects [09:30] these reports may not be accurate for all docs at this time. why? because the reports are generated from the status attributes. Not all of which have been reset [09:30] Hope this helps [09:34] jsgotangco: does it work for you? [09:36] c you later === froud [~sean@ndn-165-139-210.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] === FLeiXiuS [~fleixius@pcp0011790326pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [~seveas@ksl403-uva-153.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:28] hmm nice script by froud [12:29] sean seems to be working as usual [12:33] which script is that? [12:34] the make script for status [12:34] (it relies on the status id of the docs though, so it should be made consistent) [12:34] some docs still won't play nicely with it [12:35] ok [12:35] well if you or he posts what he has done to the list, i'm sure that will help people [12:35] i'll fix first the status ids [12:35] wiki page looks nice [12:36] feel free to mess it up with better stuff [12:36] would it be ok if I merge the three tables? [12:36] hmmm [12:36] how about the wiki projects? [12:36] separate heading? [12:37] let's try the separate heading first [12:37] i was thinking if we merge the tables, we should at least assign priorities to the projects [12:37] just for distinction [12:37] also I think learnlinux should be removed or at least be marked as deferred [12:37] its not a docteam project [12:38] i agree but i prefer it if we merge tables, we should have to tag the docs according to priority [12:38] how come? [12:39] so we'll know which docs will need to be finished much sooner rather than people doing a doc that is not bound to be shipped [12:39] well all the other docs should be shipped right? [12:40] just learnlinux (not our project) and adminguides (deferred) won't ship [12:40] sure but not all [12:41] ... [12:42] the priority tag is just my opinion [12:42] i think we know well what docs are prioritized, but not the community as a whole [12:42] well i think its a good idea, but i don't think the lack of those tags stops us from merging the tables right now [12:43] i don't mind the table merges though [12:43] yay [12:44] i have to rush for dinner [12:44] there is a forecast of heavy rain later [12:44] okey dokey [12:44] yay [12:44] have a nice dinner [12:44] (my wife is leaving in 2 days for KL) [12:44] i should make up [12:45] make up? [12:45] mdke, merge the tables if you want to, i'll just add more stuff to the page when needed [12:46] yay [12:46]