[12:01] ajmitch: looks like you and me aren't members yet :) [12:03] well... time to go [12:03] night all [12:03] 1:1 :) === herzi [~herzi@dsl-084-056-234-236.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:06] only accordin to launchpad.. [12:25] yeah, apparentlly Riddell isnt a member :P [12:28] because the existing members haven't been imported there [12:41] am too [12:41] I was the first member [12:42] g'nite all! === Thanatermesis [~Enlighten@95-211.240.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:06] hi [01:06] any person like to are a beta-tester for the packages of E17 ? (from debian originally) [01:07] I need to adapt my packages for ubuntu users for if any ubuntu user are interessing [01:09] I'd like to, if I weren't at work :) [01:10] Thanatermesis, you might find more takers in #ubuntu [01:10] no ubuntu interessed... [01:10] ubuntu persons speak: what is E17 ? [01:10] hehe === terrex taotrodiita === mfgalizi [~mfgalizi@CPE000f66e3da54-CM000f9f7770aa.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] OK, so, I added my requested package to the UniverseCandidates site, and the location of the packages I have made too. Now I can just wait, or is there something more I should do to get these included? [01:21] yes, add them to MOTUNewPackages [01:21] k [01:22] and thats the start of the submission queue? [01:22] in a sense :) [01:22] thanks ajmitch [01:24] Should it be accepted, will I be offered the opportunity to maintain? (like the Debian mentors thing) [01:24] we don't have a strict concpet of maintainership as debian does [01:24] ok, well, mission one is getting it in, i'll worry about the rest later. [01:25] you could certainly put up new versions for review & becoming a MOTU is much quicker than becoming a DD :) [01:25] cool === Mez [~mez@82-36-228-130.cable.ubr01.perr.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [~aks@CPE00112f96b894-CM001225423850.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] mfgalizi: you may wish to put your name in the MOTUNewPackages page there.. [01:34] ajmitch, under "NEW Maintiner" ? [01:36] my name is mentioned on the paged linked to by location [01:36] yes [01:36] ok [01:37] Heya ajmitch [01:37] hello bddebian === tseng wonders why he wanted to put all this mono stuff in main [01:39] because you enjoy pain [01:39] Heh [01:40] He's like Jeff then eh.. :-) [01:40] ok, thanks all! === mfgalizi [~mfgalizi@CPE000f66e3da54-CM000f9f7770aa.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:47] bddebian: eh [01:50] tseng, because it builds character [01:51] yes [01:51] Heh === tseng looks over at his 43423423 hoary cds [02:10] You have 43M Hoary CDs? [02:10] no, i have 70 [02:10] give or take a few [02:20] ajmitch: did you get my mail to -devel [02:25] last one I saw from you was a couple of days ago about the maintainer's guide [02:26] yeah.. [02:26] i posted on about main reviews [02:26] a few minutes/hours ago [02:26] ah i have it now [02:26] gmane has it [02:26] i *just* got it [02:26] ajmitch: could you have a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/ginac/1.3.0-2ubuntu3/ginac_1.3.0-2ubuntu3_20050622-0050-i386-failed.gz [02:26] doko: alright.. [02:36] doko: I'll update the existing dpatch for it then === womble [~mpalmer@220-245-224-46-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] ajmitch: thanks === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Thanatermesis [~Enlighten@95-211.240.81.adsl.skynet.be] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Amaranth [amaranth@ip68-229-189-61.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.3.10] has joined #ubuntu-motu === squinn [~squinn@68.205.198.0] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:15] So if I want to start doing some stuff, should I install breezy? [04:17] at least in a chroot [04:17] pfft, chroots are for pussies.. :-) [04:17] how kind of you to say so [04:27] Bah.. :-) [04:34] ajmitch: You don't love me anymore either?? :'-( [04:35] only when you decide to be insulting & silly again :) [04:35] Heh [04:38] OK, I admit I'm weird, but am I really insulting? [04:38] a bit grating at times. [04:38] the language could certainly be a bit less colourful, too. === bddebian scrolls back and only sees one even remotely dirty word === rem_ [~rem@adsl-96-228-zh1.tiscali.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === squinn [~squinn@68.205.198.0] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rem_ [~rem@adsl-96-228-zh1.tiscali.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu === womble [~mpalmer@220-245-224-46-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mitsuhiko [~mitsuhiko@213.33.95.56] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax9-114.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === \sh [~sh@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:10] morning [08:14] <\sh> moins [08:17] <\sh> ahhhyes...my kde is running again [08:38] gnome never broke! ;p === herzi [~herzi@195.20.225.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:44] <\sh> kde also not [08:44] <\sh> but X [08:44] <\sh> Xkb at least ;) and then my .kde settings were f****up [08:44] ah [08:44] its all Xs fault ;p [08:44] gnome didnt get upset about buggered xkb tho,it just asked once about it? ;P [08:44] === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:54] moin === doko [~doko___@dsl-084-059-075-117.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ups [~ups@203.200.160.52] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.233.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:55] argh [09:55] how can i check the right version compiled with gcc4 for the build deps (talking about cxx trans) [09:56] <\sh> DanielN_: you mean gnome? [09:57] <\sh> DanielN_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/ [09:57] \sh: gnome?? no, not gnome [09:57] <\sh> whcih package? [09:57] soqt [09:57] unmet buld deps [09:57] <\sh> DanielN_: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/s/soqt/ === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:02] \sh: well, the build deps are the same as mine, but it doesn't build?? [10:04] <\sh> DanielN_: put your buildlogs somewhere so that I can see :) [10:05] it's just the same as yesterday with aqsis.. but i don't know the right version [10:06] for the build deps [10:06] dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: doxygen xlibs-dev xlibmesa-dev | libgl-dev libcoin40-dev libqt3-mt-dev qt3-dev-tools [10:06] <\sh> in your pbuilder? === jinty [~jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] no [10:08] <\sh> no? === mitsuhiko [~mitsuhiko@213.33.95.56] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] \sh: i'm building on breezy direct [10:13] dpkg-buildpackage [10:16] <\sh> oergs [10:17] oergs [10:17] ok :) [10:17] <\sh> why don't u use pbuilder? it's easier to debug pbuilder package.dsc &> build.log [10:20] \sh, ok ok.. but that doesn't solve my problem... [10:20] how to find out, to what the deps must be changed [10:21] <\sh> DanielN_: i can't tell you, cause I don't know what you have installed on your main system [10:21] <\sh> apt-get install oxygen xlibs-dev xlibmesa-dev libcoin40-dev libqt3-mt-dev qt3-dev-tools [10:21] <\sh> DanielN_: pbuilder would say which package he can't fetch [10:22] \sh, ok i pbuild it when i'm back from toilet ;) === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.151] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:45] hm.. seems that it builds with pbuilder :/ [10:46] <\sh> DanielN_: so you didn't install all the deps on your system...that's the reason why: use pbuilder [10:46] :) [10:46] \sh: you smoked how much today? === shawarma [~sh@193.108.190.78] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:47] <\sh> 10 [10:47] ouch :/ [10:47] for me: 2 *freu* :)) [10:48] Can someone please explain the difference between universe and multiverse? === Amaranth [~amaranth@amaranth.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:48] multiverse are non free [10:48] if i'm right [10:48] DanielN_: I see. What's in "restricted", then? [10:49] packages linked to stuff in main, but non free [10:49] if i'm right again ;) [10:51] Ok... The why is restricted enabled by default, but not (un|mult)iverse? [10:51] no security fixes [10:51] in universe and multiverse [10:51] that's why they are not enabled [10:51] by default [10:52] is anyone working with the debian guys to provide security updates wereposible? [10:52] yes [10:52] there's at least 1 person working hard on universe security [10:53] who? === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0816.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@195.20.225.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.40.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [~herzi@195.20.225.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:23] ogra: ping [11:26] <\sh> DanielN_: i will grab it now and try to upload === Seveas [~seveas@ksl403-uva-153.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.34.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:32] \sh, soqt? [11:35] <\sh> DanielN_: jepp [11:36] <\sh> DanielN_: u r subscriped to breezy changes? [11:44] <\sh> DanielN_: [11:44] <\sh> Urgency: low [11:44] <\sh> Maintainer: Steve M. Robbins [11:44] <\sh> Changed-By: Daniel Neuenschwander [11:44] <\sh> Description: [11:44] <\sh> libsoqt-dev - Qt GUI component toolkit for Inventor - development [11:44] <\sh> libsoqt20 - Qt GUI component toolkit for Inventor - runtime === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-0816.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:55] \sh, huh? [11:56] \sh, another question, what i don't understand yet: how are these debdiffs which we provide in the bts applied to the package? is this happen in the buildd's ? [11:56] <\sh> no...by hand [11:57] <\sh> or automatically via script .. but not on the buildds [12:00] DanielN_: via patch program :) [12:10] ok guys [12:10] i'm leaving.. i toke free for this afternoon, harhar ;) [12:10] cu later [12:12] i'm holiday in croatia :) [12:12] s/it\'m/it\'s/ [12:12] argh.. [12:19] herzi, pong === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.2.146] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:32] ogra: i would like to join edubuntu [12:33] ivoks, great [12:34] and maybe with time, fork project :) [12:34] are you already subscribed to edubuntu-devel ? [12:34] nope, will do that... [12:34] yep, thats a good start [12:36] i'm thinking to start corporate team [12:36] that would produce server-clients enviorment [12:36] it very much like edubuntu, so contributing to edubuntu would be good start :) [12:38] ivoks, that is what edubuntu is going for, yes... we start with one classroom and grow/shrink the setup in further releases... [12:39] skolelinux is dreaming of 50000 clients and 200 servers and the like... [12:40] so we'll try to scale up to this as near as we can :) [12:40] hehe [12:51] does anyone happen to know if we have kolab (or even kolab2) in breezy? [12:51] i was checking that app too yestrday [12:51] we have koffice :) [12:52] a friend is looking for a groupware solution, and I try to convince him of ubuntu :) [12:52] no, kolab isn't in breezy [12:52] siretart: evolution-data-center? [12:52] ivoks: jepp. koffice and kmail and friends are the client parts. I'm talking about the server part [12:52] ogra: i have new hula packages [12:52] (built against hoary) [12:53] evolution-data-server :) [12:53] herzi, why no breezy ? [12:53] ivoks: do you happen to know what would be necessary to syncronize evolution calendars and tasks? what kind of server software would I need? [12:53] i'm still on hoary (the X issue) [12:54] siretart: i'm checking it right now [12:54] when i'm back from the linuxtag i'll build it against breezy [12:54] siretart: i think it's localhost only [12:54] herzi: we cannot upload to hoary anymore, its released. if you want them included (I'd love to test them for my friend looking for a groupware solution), you would need to provide packages for breezy [12:54] siretart: but you have opengroupware and phpgroupware [12:55] ivoks: that would be webbased only then? [12:55] siretart: this two work with evolution/thunderbird/outlook etc [12:55] siretart: no [12:55] siretart: webdav [12:55] ivoks: phpgroupware have an webdav enabled server onboard nowadays? [12:56] last time I checked that (ok, about 3 years ago), I didn't find anythin in that direction [12:56] perhaps 2yrs. [12:57] siretart: i'm sure for opengroupware [12:58] hm. he wanted to check egroupware, iirc.. [12:58] ivoks: but thanks anyway. is on the list for evaluation. [12:58] must work on review-tool first ;) [12:59] http://www.instantogo.com/ - nice :) [01:00] ivoks: yeah, I found that earlier today. but if I understood that correctly, they don't provide free downloads [01:00] siretart: you can tell your friend to take a look at http://www.blaubeermuffin.de/packages/hula [01:01] they should be fine for breezy too (as i also run them on sarge without recompiling) [01:01] herzi: that'll be great. we also installed sarge on the target machine, so I would recompile for sarge anyway [01:02] herzi: do you have a reference which lists the key features of hula? [01:02] www.hula-project.org [01:02] hula is under pretty heavy development right now [01:02] I would choose something more stable for a production system [01:03] herzi: would you consider hula mature enough for replacement of an exchange server for a small office? [01:03] no [01:03] :( [01:03] i think you should wait about 6 months [01:03] i'm using it for my personal email only [01:03] ok. thank you anyway [01:04] it mostly works [01:04] in about 6 months, once they get the gmail-style interface going, it will rock [01:06] ic === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.2.146] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ciao.] === spacey [~spacey@145.33.144.151] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] <\sh> ogra: ping === asw waves [01:47] hi/bye :) [01:48] <\sh> Anyone interessted in building a MOTU InstantMessaging team? [01:50] What is an InstantMessaging team? === ogra [~ogra@p5089DACD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === susus [~sz@p5089DACD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] \sh: ? [01:52] <\sh> Instant Messaging is clear I think, something like Jabber === blueyed [~daniel@i528C37BF.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:54] <\sh> so, the team should build an enviroment to have a good ammount of components etc. for jabber IM and build a server base for installing a jabber im solution directly from cd ;) [01:58] hm... [01:58] i think this could be inside one bigger team [01:58] like corporate team [01:59] with IM and groupware [02:00] <\sh> ivoks: right now theres nothing at all :) [02:00] <\sh> ivoks: the server pakcages for jabber are crap..i just updated jabberme.net/org/de with a new version of jabberd2 (compiled against hoary) [02:01] <\sh> ivoks: the components right now, are only build against jabberd1, which is, sorry to say, obsolete for the majority of jabber IM developers [02:01] i don't use jabber that often [02:01] jabber can have server on one computer and clients in same subnet? [02:01] <\sh> ivoks: u should. [02:02] <\sh> ivoks: jabber is decentralized [02:02] so they could use it wihtout contacting outside? [02:02] <\sh> ivoks: sure [02:02] didn't know that... [02:02] <\sh> ivoks: sending messages is only one small part of the jabber idea [02:03] ? [02:03] what else? [02:03] <\sh> jabber, better to say, xmpp is an xml stream protocol, where u can transform one protocol data into xml , transport it via jabber server, and on the other side, there is a client which can translate the xml data into native data and display it [02:03] <\sh> or do something else with it [02:04] <\sh> e.g. pubsub [02:04] <\sh> there is a whole community which is using pubsub via jabber to get their rss feeds, or something else... [02:04] <\sh> www.pubsub.com [02:05] nice [02:07] <\sh> there is more [02:07] <\sh> sending mail to your im account...first it lands into your imap account, second it will be send to your IM client directly === jamessan|work [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [~terrex@84-122-69-8.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:16] <\sh> ok..going home now...cu later guys [02:16] bye [02:20] does anybody has a better name than "review-tool"? [02:20] lintian? [02:20] :P [02:20] nope. already taken [02:21] what are you making? [02:21] implementing http://siretart.tauware.de/review-tool [02:23] how about uma? === jan__ [~jm__@202.172.110.83] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:23] :) [02:27] siretart: may be reviewforge [02:27] ;) [02:28] package-forge ? [02:29] "revu" ? [02:29] JanC: revu is cool ;) [02:30] We've chosen uma, reffering to the nameing scheme of dak ;) [02:31] uma's already in use in packaged dak [02:31] FWIW [02:32] oh. [02:32] I've seen it only on the "reserved for future use" list [02:33] siretart: in which language is coded review-tool ? [02:33] JRe: python [02:33] # Add a user to to the uid/maintainer/fingerprint table and [02:33] ok, found uma [02:34] is that thing going to integrate automatic pbuild/lintian/linda testing? [02:34] or just be a place for us to sanely comment [02:35] dont get me wrong I already like it [02:35] tseng: yes, this is planned for next step. we want to have basic reviewing functionality soon [02:35] i find that rock too :) [02:35] siretart++ [02:35] great stuff [02:35] elmo: could you suggest an neat name? ;) [02:44] ok, will take JanC's suggestion: revu [02:45] siretart: yeah that is cool ;) [02:50] siretart, elma ;) (elmo automated) [02:50] (since it builds and tests the packages like he does) [02:52] we could call it grover [02:52] because he hangs with elmo [02:52] yeah, great :) === plugwash [plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [~bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] Howdy === trulux_ghost [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] Quiet today. Have I scared everyone away?? :-) [03:48] lo [03:52] <\sh> hey jre [03:55] Hello JRe === mfgalizi [~mfgalizi@CPE000f66e3da54-CM000f9f7770aa.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mfgalizi [~mfgalizi@CPE000f66e3da54-CM000f9f7770aa.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:22] what's the deal with the mplayer/ac3 bug? === motaboy [~motaboy@host105-39.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === spacey [~spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.0.168] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.0.168] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ciao.] === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu === motaboy [~motaboy@host105-39.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asw [~asw@mcb1013.mcb.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielN [~daniel@80-218-240-48.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] hi folks :) [06:34] Heya DanielN [06:39] back from river :) [06:39] now fixing libyehia ;> === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:46] DanielN: Which river? [06:47] <\sh> DanielN: your package went through :) === jinty [~jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [~janc@dD5770437.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:56] bddebian, the Aare in bern, switzerland [06:56] Ahh, a little ways away from me. :-) [06:56] \sh, i saw .. i'm happy, thx ;) [06:56] bddebian, from where do you come [06:56] \sh, but need help again anyways.. got 5mins for me? [06:57] <\sh> jup [06:57] DanielN: Pennsylvania USA currently [06:57] bddebian, ou.. well, i think there are a huge of larger rivers in US [06:57] Yeah, we have the Delaware river close to us [06:57] \sh, i'm working on libyehia.. [06:58] \sh, it's pulling out something about deps i don't understand, but look: [06:58] libsigcx-gtk-0.6-dev: Depends: libsigcx-0.6-dev (= 0.6.4-4) but it is not going to be installed [06:58] Depends: libsigcx-gtk-0.6-1 (>= 0.6.4-4) but it is not going to be installed [06:59] but this versions _are_ in breezy already :/ [06:59] these [06:59] <\sh> aehm [07:00] <\sh> DanielN: did u update your pbuilder? [07:01] \sh, yes.. but sorry.. i found it already... [07:01] libsigcx-0.6-dev isn't in the build deps *shame* [07:01] <\sh> hmm.. === bddebian is bored [07:02] <\sh> universe [07:02] <\sh> [07:02] <\sh> libsigcx === HenkPoley [~henk@poley.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:02] <\sh> [07:02] <\sh> libsigcx-0.6-2 [07:02] <\sh> [07:02] <\sh> libsigcx-0.6-2c2 [07:02] <\sh> [07:02] <\sh> [07:02] <\sh> [07:02] <\sh> ajmitch [07:02] <\sh> [07:02] <\sh> DanielN: ask ajmitch if he uploaded already :) [07:02] <\sh> same for libsigcx-gtk-0.6-1c2 [07:03] \sh: i'm talking about libsigcx-dev-0.6-2 [07:03] \sh: i'm talking about libsigcx-0.6-2-dev === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:04] <\sh> DanielN: yes :) development packages :) [07:04] <\sh> for the same libs [07:05] away to eat [07:05] <\sh> DanielN: if they're showstoppers for u right now, ping ajmitch :) and poke him ;) [07:10] Dang, where is everyone today? === mort_ [~moritz@80-219-6-182.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:11] mort_: THE moritz? [07:11] bddebian: the one and only [07:12] mort_: How have you been? [07:14] bddebian: a bit pissed of, I thought I were home by now. trains in .ch don't work anymore [07:14] bddebian: great power outage :-( [07:14] :-( [07:14] bddebian: how about you? feeling fine? /join #bub-n-bros [07:30] bub-n-bros?? [07:33] mort_: I'm seeing if I can't get everyone in #ubuntu-motu to hate me like they do in #d-d :-) [07:37] <\sh> bddebian: we signed a letter of intend to not hate anybody for stupid questions :) [07:37] heh [07:37] <\sh> ok...away...for some hours [07:40] Oh man, now no one is going to be here.. :'-( === HenkPoley [~henk@poley.xs4all.nl] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Kopete] [07:52] can someone point me in the direction of a good tutorial for building ur first ubuntu package? === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax8-105.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [~jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:58] tim__: I haven't read it, but you can look at this one: https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial_2fCDBS [07:59] wow mort_ shows his ass up at ubuntu chans :) [08:00] DanielN: Watch your language.. :-) [08:00] bddebian, i'm sure mort_ is understanding this.. aren't you? :P [08:00] or interpreting it correctly [08:01] bddebian, please dont advise people to use cdbs for their first package [08:01] DanielN: Yes, but I got in trouble for saying pussy last night.. :-) BTW, I was kidding [08:01] ogra: Oh, sorry [08:01] tim__, try the debian new maintainers guide and learn a bit about debhelper and friends before you switch to cdbs, you need it first :) [08:01] bddebian: you should have said kitten :-) [08:02] ajmitch, ping [08:02] ogra: Do YOU know where there is info about the framework for building Ubuntu based distros? [08:02] bddebian, i only know there is a liveCD customization howto [08:03] Hmm, I read on one of the pages about some framework for creating derivitive distro's.. :-( [08:03] but for rebranding you will have to look in other corners then that [08:03] Well I'm mainly thinking about Ubuntu GNU/Hurd.. ;-) [08:04] bddebian, aks Kamion in -devel if you cant find something on the wiki... i know it was planned, but i'm not sure if it was a hoary or breezy goal [08:04] ogra: OK, thanks [08:04] ogra, are there any server related things to do for MOTU ? [08:05] DanielN server related things ? [08:05] you mean maintaining packages of server software ? [08:06] well, short time ago i had a sleepless night, cause there were a huge of ideas in server stategies === blueyed [~daniel@iD4CC181E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:06] ogra, so, not only maintaining, but bringing in new ideas in the perspective of a good server distro [08:07] difficult to say exactlier what i mean in english :/ [08:07] DanielN sure... [08:07] wasnt there a MOTUServer team ? if not ? add one ;) [08:07] ;> [08:07] sounds cool [08:07] hehe [08:07] ogra: I think my second StinkPad showed up today. So where should I start? :-) [08:08] StinkPad ? [08:08] hmm, in malone probably... [08:08] DanielN: IBM ThinkPad === squinn [~squinn@68.205.198.0] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:08] bddebian, just garb a bugor two and fix it... [08:09] ogra: Breezy stuff? [08:09] yep === herve [~hcauwelie@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:09] ogra: From launchpad? [08:09] hoary is non interesting for us [08:09] Heya herve [08:09] yep [08:09] hello everybody! [08:09] hi herve [08:10] how was your "fte de la musique" ? :-) [08:11] bddebian, Thinkpads are great with ubuntu.. have one at work [08:12] HPs are even better ;) [08:12] DanielN, I want to sign "when" TONIGHT! [08:12] Dell aren't :( [08:12] since the kernel gets HP patches for their HW :) [08:13] Question. [08:13] questions are usually followed by a question mark :-) [08:13] smart-aXX :-) [08:14] I'm not a packager, not even a MOTU. I just come in here to help..without being a MOTU. If I know there's a new package out, do I package it per DeveloperResources' says to, and then forward to maintainer? [08:16] squinn, only if it wont show up in debian in time for breezy... else you would duplicate the work... === tim_ [~tim@cpe-66-67-139-238.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:16] so if you have something that doesnt exist in either of them and isnt likely to show up in debian soon, package it and put it on MOTUNewPackages [08:18] I said that wrong, ogra. [08:19] I meant a new version of a package currently in universe. [08:19] ou.. hi squinn :) [08:20] could someone say to me, how the win terminal services client is named in ubuntu? (i'm on wmaker, so no gnome menu) [08:21] tsclient? [08:21] like the command? [08:21] is tsclient as herve said [08:21] thanks :) [08:22] Only 316 bugs. Bah, I'll have those done by the end of the week.. ;-P [08:23] squinn, and this package is newer in debian too ? [08:24] squinn, then we just can sync it... else poke the debian maintainer or help him wth updating the debian package === therning [~chatzilla@modem-3348.jaguar.dialup.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:26] hi all! [08:26] ogra, i'll check [08:26] I have a question about bug reporting on a universe package in Ubuntu, anyone around who might be able to answer? [08:26] packages.debian.org [08:26] right? [08:26] squinn, yep [08:26] therning, shoot [08:27] ogra, the old version still exists in debian unstable [08:27] ogra, is reporting it in Malone enough or should I do something more? (e.g. send a mail to the Debian maintainer, or to a mailing list, or something.) [08:28] squinn, so mail the maintainer in debian and offer to help updating, or if you dont like that, pick a package that isnt packed yet [08:28] bddebian: oh no, that's terrible! why does #d-d hate you? [08:28] therning, malone should be enough [08:28] Hello therning [08:28] mort_: Because I'm a PITA :-) [08:29] ogra, ok, cool... I've uploaded modified a package that solves the bugs as well, which I've noted in the bug reports... the packages are for Hoary though [08:29] ogra, mailing the Ubuntu maintainer, correct? [08:29] not Debian [08:29] bddebian, hi! [08:29] squinn, nope, debian [08:29] bddebian: maybe you should change something on you... nobody likes PITAs [08:30] (although it reminds me off maxican food) [08:30] heh [08:30] squinn, the desired process is always to fix stuff in debian and then only sync .... ubuntu has no individual package maintainers like debian [08:30] ogra, same guy, no worries [08:30] ah, ok [08:30] okay, so let me get this straight [08:31] btw, which package ? [08:31] basically most "fixed" things in ubuntu come from fixes in debian [08:31] amule, ogra [08:31] ah, i guess that has to wait for the new wx packages [08:31] lamont any news on the bootstrapping of freepascal (source package fpc binary packages fp-*)? [08:31] thanks for your time, I'm off to enjoy the tennis [08:31] squinn, nope, but fixes we _have_ to make should flow back.... [08:32] squinn, a newer version of a package is not a fix [08:32] squinn, the problem is, if you do a fix only in ubuntu, you have to do it again on every update.... which is a hell lot of work [08:32] Well it COULD be :-) [08:33] let me rephrase that then [08:33] ajmitch, ping [08:33] all new versions of packages we get in ubuntu must be in debian first? [08:33] squinn, so to reduce our work we should always try to get our fixes beck upstream (debian) === jinty [~jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:33] ogra that assumes that the debian package ever changes ;) [08:33] heh [08:33] squinn, they _shoud_ be in debian first... sometimes that doesnt work..... [08:34] ogra: Debian is upstream for Ubuntu? [08:34] sur [08:34] e [08:34] Ack, I didn't know that [08:35] So for an Ubuntu GNU/Hurd, I would want to rely on Debian? [08:35] i don't understand what you mean by upstream [08:36] i've heard upstream/downstream before [08:36] but i don't understand what they mean [08:36] squinn: Typically upstream means the actual package developer [08:36] or maintainer if you will [08:37]