[12:01] <_hippie> how can u create a trash bin?
[12:04] <uniq> on the desktop? 
[12:05] <Tm_T> ah, it's there afaik
[12:05] <uniq> no. it's hidden.
[12:05] <uniq> by default.
[12:05] <_hippie> uniq: ya
[12:05] <Tm_T> yeah, it's there _hidden_
[12:06] <Tm_T> nano ~/Desktop/trash.desktop
[12:06] <Tm_T> ;p
[12:07] <uniq> change to Hidden=false
[12:07] <Heko> im having problems with kubuntu live... "artsd" takes up almost 100% CPU load and when i kill it the system crashes, if i dont kill it, it dies after 5 minutes saying CPU overload and crashing the system too. 
[12:09] <_hippie> k thanx
[12:09] <uniq> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#showtrash
[12:09] <uniq> for a guide.
[12:13] <liz4rd> would it be easyer just to sudo apt-get install gnome? or ubuntu-desktop
[12:13] <liz4rd> and what version wouldi get if i did install it the gnome way
[12:15] <Tm_T> same
[12:15] <Tm_T> but without ubuntu artwork
[12:16] <liz4rd> what version of gnome is it?
[12:16] <Tm_T> dunno
[12:16] <liz4rd> is there anyway of finding out?
[12:16] <Tm_T> yes
[12:16] <liz4rd> hwo
[12:16] <liz4rd> how
[12:16] <Tm_T> apt-cache show gnome ?
[12:17] <liz4rd> lol
[12:17] <Tm_T> apt-cache show gnome-core
[12:17] <Tm_T> nah
[12:18] <Tm_T> hmm
[12:19] <Tm_T> 2.8.1
[12:19] <liz4rd> mmm
[12:19] <liz4rd> i want 2.10 :P
[12:19] <liz4rd> i like newer thing
[12:19] <liz4rd> things
[12:19] <liz4rd> is there a way to install 2.10 instead?
[12:19] <Tm_T> dunno
[12:20] <uniq> doesn't hoary use gnome 2.10? - apt-cache policy gnome-session tells me it does.
[12:21] <uniq> gnome-core and gnome are just meta packages.
[12:21] <liz4rd> ok
[12:21] <liz4rd> uniq: how can i install the newest version?
[12:21] <uniq> but.. this is all a littlebitt off topic in here :)
[12:22] <uniq> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:22] <liz4rd> well no ones talking about anything els :P
[12:22] <uniq> will install the newest version in the repositories.
[12:22] <liz4rd> what what version will that give me of gnome?
[12:22] <uniq> 2.10
[12:22] <uniq> i guess.
[12:22] <uniq> i don't do gnome.. so i wouldn't know.
[12:22] <uniq> you can ask in #ubuntu
[12:22] <liz4rd> ether do i
[12:22] <liz4rd> alright
[12:22] <uniq> to be sure.
[12:23] <unome> any kbuntu specific repositories?
[12:23] <unome> konversation: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.4.1) but 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu3.2 is to be installed
[12:23] <unome> E: Broken packages
[12:23] <Tm_T> topic?
[12:23] <unome> Can't update to .18
[12:24] <uniq> unome: not really.. there are a few call it 'updates' in the repositories mentioned in the topic.
[12:24] <unome> Tm_T what about it?
[12:24] <Tm_T> there's KDE 3.4.1
[12:24] <uniq> unome: where did you get konversation from? 
[12:24] <unome> uniq: came with kbuntu
[12:25] <Tm_T> :o
[12:25] <unome> v ...16
[12:25] <uniq> unome: but the new package? 
[12:25] <uniq> the one you're trying to upgrade to.
[12:25] <unome> apt-get install konversation
[12:26] <uniq> you using breezy? 
[12:26] <unome> no
[12:26] <uniq> yes you are.
[12:26] <Tm_T> hmm
[12:26] <uniq> if you have 0.18 you must be.
[12:26] <unome> no I'm not
[12:26] <unome> I have .16 trying to upgrade
[12:26] <uniq> can you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy konversation' ? 
[12:27] <unome> konversation:
[12:27] <unome>   Installed: 0.16-1ubuntu1
[12:27] <unome>   Candidate: 0.18-1~5.04ubp1
[12:27] <unome>   Version table:
[12:27] <unome>      0.18-1~5.04ubp1 0
[12:27] <unome>         500 http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net hoary-backports/main Packages
[12:27] <unome>  *** 0.16-1ubuntu1 0
[12:27] <unome>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/main Packages
[12:27] <unome>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[12:27] <uniq> no need for more.. figured it out already.. it's the backports.
[12:28] <Tm_T> yeah
[12:28] <unome> what about them? lose them?
[12:28] <unome> I got them from the ubuntuguide
[12:29] <uniq> no, if you want them or not is up to you.
[12:29] <unome> but can I upgrade to 0.18?
[12:29] <uniq> yes, you just have to install kde 3.4.1 first.
[12:29] <liz4rd> if i install ubuntu-desktop...will gdm override kdm?
[12:29] <uniq> liz4rd: no, you'll get a question about it.
[12:29] <uniq> afaik.
[12:30] <liz4rd> ok
[12:30] <unome> uniq: kde 3.4.1 is stable?
[12:30] <liz4rd> is there anyway of changing it if i change my mind?
[12:30] <uniq> unome: hang on.. i'll find a url for you. yes it's more stable than 3.4.0
[12:30] <uniq> liz4rd: sure there is.
[12:30] <unome> thanks uniq 
[12:30] <Tm_T> unome: yes it is
[12:30] <liz4rd> and where can i go to change it?
[12:30] <uniq> liz4rd: dpkg-reconfigure kdm or dpkg-reconfigure gdm will give you the choices.
[12:31] <liz4rd> ok
[12:31] <uniq> unome: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
[12:31] <unome> what about it?
[12:31] <unome> oh nm lol
[12:31] <uniq> read and do as it says :)
[12:31] <unome> 10/4
[12:31] <uniq> after adding the source, apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[12:32] <uniq> and you're on.
[12:32] <unome> what does -u do?
[12:32] <unome> should I log off kde first?
[12:33] <uniq> not needed.. but a logout and relogin would do good after the update is finished.
[12:33] <unome> -u <- what does it do
[12:34] <unome> -u  Show a list of upgraded packages as well
[12:34] <unome> got it
[12:42] <unome> kde comes with sshd?
[12:43] <unome> Jun 22 18:41:32 localhost useradd[28343] : new user: name=sshd, uid=107, gid=65534, home=/var/run/sshd, shell=/bin/false
[12:43] <unome> never installed it
[12:46] <uniq> ssh is good.. lots of things depends on it.
[12:47] <unome> K, thanks
[12:48] <unome> I guess it's good until I get owned (j/k)
[12:49] <unome> upgrade went smooth, gotta log off/in
[12:50] <desolator> hello children!
[12:50] <desolator> =) lets read the topic links
[12:52] <desolator> in my 62 years of life I havent seen some helpfull young lads
[12:53] <uniq> hi.
[12:54] <Riddell> good evening desolator 
[12:55] <desolator> havent seen such nice documentation in a long time
[12:56] <desolator> well id better get going
[12:57] <desolator> is there any mailing list
[12:57] <Riddell> desolator: do pop in if you have any problems
[01:11] <apollo2011> I am trying to install AIM for Linux and I am not sure if I use Debian 2.1 or Debian 3+ package for Ubuntu Hoary
[01:19] <liz4rd> how do i remove everythign that installed during the install of ubuntu-desktop
[01:20] <liz4rd> all that gnome crap is still there
[01:20] <liz4rd> plus gdm and stuff
[01:24] <sirukin> hmm
[01:24] <sirukin> anyone know how I'd go about upgrading mysql?
[01:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know how to configure the mail applet for gkrellm?
[01:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> liz4rd whazzup???!!!
[01:28] <liz4rd> ChurcH_of_FoamY: not man you?
[01:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nothin much
[01:28] <liz4rd> cool
[01:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just trying to configure the mail app
[01:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in gkrellm
[01:28] <liz4rd> heh
[01:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and not knowing how
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i use thunderbird and i want it to see that
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but i have know idea how to >.<
[01:29] <liz4rd> lol
[01:29] <liz4rd> me neather sorry
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> damn
[01:36] <liz4rd> how do i set KDM to default instead of GDM
[01:44] <uniq> liz4rd: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[01:44] <uniq> and goodnight.
[01:45] <liz4rd> night
[02:13] <drbrown> Does anyone know how to install icewm window decorations?  the option does not apear in the Control Center
[02:24] <_Simon> can anyone help me with samba please? theres no smbusers file in /etc/samba, so I created one
[02:24] <_Simon> but when I do smbpasswd -a username, fill out the password, nothing is there
[02:24] <_Simon> am I missing something?
[02:50] <nmorse> Dadgummit, why does the Koffice 1.4 repo give me size mismatch errors?!?
[02:51] <Tm_T> :o
[02:53] <nmorse> God, the Kubuntu.org repo gives size mismatch errors and the download.kde.org one doesn't even work
[02:56] <monchy> makes me happy to be on sarge, big list of package mirrors lol
[02:57] <unome> monchy how's sarge treating you?
[02:57] <monchy> very good thus far
[02:57] <monchy> upgraded gnome to 2.10.1 earlier and it went fine
[02:57] <monchy> the only thing that will give me problems is installing ati drivers
[02:58] <unome> will?
[02:58] <monchy> yeah, hard to do i think
[02:58] <_ubuntu> .
[02:58] <unome> how's your net connection speed?
[02:59] <monchy> mine? it's good
[02:59] <karllll> when i 'apt-get install kde',  i get a message that says "Package kde is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[02:59] <karllll> how do i install kde?
[02:59] <karllll> gnome sucks
[02:59] <monchy> and why do you say that lol
[02:59] <karllll> i hate it. 
[03:00] <monchy> so, because you hate it, it sucks
[03:00] <karllll> to me, yes.
[03:00] <karllll> anyways.
[03:00] <monchy> lol
[03:00] <unome> like you did just add -u to see what's will install
[03:01] <karllll> unome: are you talking to me?
[03:01] <unome> wrong window sorry
[03:01] <karllll> i can apt-get kde-core
[03:02] <karllll> but not kde
[03:02] <karllll> i can get kdemultimedia, kdenetwork, etc.
[03:02] <karllll> should i just get all that crap?
[03:03] <karllll> or should i just ask questions to an empty room on irc
[03:03] <unome> use synaptic?
[03:03] <karllll> whats that?
[03:03] <unome> sudo synaptic
[03:03] <karllll> i've used ubuntu for about 30 minutes now
[03:04] <karllll> "gtk-warning: cannot open display"
[03:05] <nmorse> 30 minutes and you already know how to use apt-get, eh?
[03:05] <unome> karllll: are you installing kubuntu  for first time?
[03:05] <karllll> i knew a dude who ran debian and he wouldn't shut up about apt-get
[03:05] <karllll> unome: i haven't installed kubuntu yet.
[03:05] <unome> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[03:05] <unome> that should get you KDE & co
[03:06] <karllll> right on. thanks.
[03:06] <karllll> and it'll just show up in the sessions part of the logon?
[03:06] <jsubl2> then http://kubuntu.org
[03:06] <unome> yes, dkm or gdm whatever you like
[03:06] <unome> kdm*
[03:06] <karllll> alright
[03:06] <karllll> thanks.
[03:26] <Moshe> does kubuntu configure anything automatically, or do things need to be done manually like with slackware?
[03:37] <Tm_T> hmh
[03:44] <penguinboy> hey guys and gals
[03:45] <monchy> hey mrs.liz4rd
[03:46] <penguinboy> hey hey hey monchmeister!
[03:48] <monchy> hows it goin
[03:49] <penguinboy> good....I am burning some CDs so that I can have duplicates at workl
[03:50] <penguinboy> K3b is certainly S-L-O-W
[03:51] <penguinboy> hey solar
[03:52] <monchy> lol
[03:58] <drbrown> anyone know howto install icewm window decorations?????
[03:58] <liz4rd> how is icewm? 
[03:59] <liz4rd> what would you comepare it to?
[04:00] <thunderdawg> well crazy shit
[04:00] <liz4rd> ...
[04:00] <liz4rd> cheese....
[04:00] <thunderdawg> i wiped out my kubuntu install and I am installing solaris express
[04:00] <liz4rd> I CAN BE RANDOM TOO!!!
[04:00] <thunderdawg> hmmmm
[04:00] <monchy> you just missed your husband liz
[04:00] <liz4rd> did i?
[04:00] <liz4rd> did he say he was coming back?
[04:00] <monchy> no, just left
[04:00] <liz4rd> i
[04:00] <monchy> that was about 5 minutes ago
[04:01] <liz4rd> i'll check on jabber
[04:02] <liz4rd> mmm he'll be back
[04:02] <liz4rd> i tryed FreeBSD last night
[04:02] <liz4rd> ...never willi try agian
[04:02] <monchy> lol
[04:02] <monchy> saved me from trying it then ;p
[04:02] <liz4rd> plus... i hate xfree86 as of now
[04:03] <liz4rd> :P
[04:03] <liz4rd> maybr sarge will be diff i dont knwo
[04:03] <liz4rd> know
[04:03] <monchy> oh xf86 isnt that bad
[04:03] <thunderdawg> solaris express
[04:03] <thunderdawg> im all freaked out now
[04:04] <monchy> you should see if there is a solaris channel lol
[04:04] <liz4rd> thunderdawg: lol i thought you said polar express
[04:05] <damjan> Does anybody know how much would an ubuntu mirror need storage, and how much traffic will it see dayly?
[04:05] <liz4rd> damjan: depends on where you are
[04:05] <liz4rd> (for the traffic part)
[04:05] <liz4rd> WTF
[04:05] <liz4rd> FINE THEN
[04:05] <thunderdawg> hahaha
[04:06] <liz4rd> lol
[04:06] <thunderdawg> thats funny
[04:06] <thunderdawg> you know they realeased all the source code into the wild
[04:06] <damja> liz4rd: how do you mean "depends where I am"?
[04:06] <liz4rd> well people select the closes mirrors
[04:07] <liz4rd> so if your in the US then probly alot of traffic
[04:07] <damja> liz4rd: no I meant how much traffic from upstream
[04:07] <damja> liz4rd: how much things change (on average)
[04:07] <liz4rd> ...you have to go to the website or come here to see whast new
[04:08] <liz4rd> thunderdawg: liek the apes?
[04:08] <liz4rd> ^_^
[04:31] <transgress> what's the gui that kde uses for rar files?
[04:31] <transgress> and tars for that matter
[04:31] <Tm_T> Kark
[04:31] <Tm_T> no, Ark
[04:42] <unome> how do you search for a package using apt-get?
[04:42] <liz4rd> sudo apt-cache search packagename
[04:43] <unome> or is it dpkg that supports search
[04:43] <unome> liz4rd: thanks
[04:43] <liz4rd> np
[04:45] <Lincx> Hey
[04:46] <liz4rd> hi
[04:46] <Lincx> Can someone help me with something
[04:46] <liz4rd> ask the question dont ask to ask a quaestion
[04:46] <liz4rd> :P
[04:48] <Lincx> lol ok how do i add the normal desktop icons (My comp, home,trash)
[04:48] <liz4rd> well what window manager are you using?
[04:48] <liz4rd> KDE?
[04:48] <Lincx> Kde
[04:48] <Lincx> yes
[04:48] <liz4rd> just drag them onto the desktop
[04:48] <liz4rd> and click copy here when promted
[04:49] <Lincx> hmm ok brb
[04:49] <liz4rd> ok
[04:53] <Lincx> hm
[04:53] <Lincx> i cant find the my computer icon
[04:53] <Lincx> =(
[04:54] <liz4rd> lol thats windows buddy
[04:54] <Lincx> hey
[04:54] <Lincx> no
[04:54] <Lincx> i had it on ubuntu =P
[04:54] <liz4rd> thast gnome
[04:55] <liz4rd> this is KDE
[04:55] <Lincx> lo
[04:55] <Lincx> well im new kde heh
[04:55] <Lincx> i like it tho
[04:56] <liz4rd> lol kde is cool but for speed use xfce4 :)
[04:56] <liz4rd> i love it
[04:56] <Lincx> ??
[04:56] <liz4rd> its a lightweith window manager
[04:56] <liz4rd> light weight
[04:57] <Lincx> Screenshot?
[04:57] <liz4rd> ok hold on :) ( i just happen to have a screenshot dump)
[04:59] <Lincx> lol
[05:01] <liz4rd> http://www.liz4rd.ath.cx/.imagedump/index.php
[05:01] <liz4rd> anyone can use that btw
[05:01] <liz4rd> ony for screenshots
[05:01] <liz4rd> for people in #kubuntu :P or i'll set a password
[05:02] <liz4rd> Lincx: what do you think?
[05:03] <Lincx> Im checking
[05:03] <liz4rd> ok :)
[05:05] <bossman> test
[05:05] <liz4rd> hi
[05:05] <bossman> hello
[05:05] <Lincx> im checking
[05:05] <liz4rd> :) it works
[05:05] <bossman> any got time for a question?
[05:06] <liz4rd> sure do
[05:06] <bossman> it's a bout karamba
[05:06] <liz4rd> mmm i know about it but dont use it sorry
[05:06] <bossman> well maybe not directly the problem may be due to something else
[05:08] <Lincx> lol
[05:08] <Lincx> you had just taken the pic
[05:09] <bossman> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[05:09] <bossman> For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log.
[05:09] <bossman> i get this error when compiling  the pacakage 
[05:09] <Heko> I have a problem... Kubuntu Live crashes 5 minutes after I boot into it, saying that "artsd" caused a CPU overload, and when I kill artsd prematurely since it is using 100% cpu, kubuntu crashes.
[05:09] <liz4rd> Lincx: yup
[05:09] <kalenedrael> Heko, that's odd
[05:09] <kalenedrael> not the artsd crash, but that kubuntu crashes along with it...
[05:09] <kalenedrael> i have the same problem with artsd
[05:10] <kalenedrael> kubuntu shouldn't crash, though
[05:12] <liz4rd> speaking of faggots
[05:12] <liz4rd> ^_^ jk monchy
[05:13] <monchy> your the one who married a man lol
[05:13] <liz4rd> lol
[05:13] <monchy> which will be up on bash.org soon for all to see :p
[05:13] <liz4rd> did i tell you i added it?
[05:13] <liz4rd> or did you?
[05:13] <monchy> i added it
[05:13] <liz4rd> me to!!!
[05:13] <monchy> lol
[05:14] <liz4rd> but i took out liek people leaving and stuff
[05:14] <monchy> yeah same here, there were two entries though i cant remember the 1st one i did
[05:14] <liz4rd> here i'll send it to you on msn
[05:14] <monchy> ok
[05:15] <Tm_T> uh oh, new icons
[05:15] <liz4rd> eh?
[05:16] <liz4rd> monchy, i'm just gonna upload it to ma server
[05:16] <monchy> k
[05:17] <liz4rd> http://www.liz4rd.ath.cx/.docx/liz4rdswedding.txt
[05:17] <monchy> pulp fiction best movie evar
[05:18] <liz4rd> how long does it take for bash.org to put it up?
[05:18] <liz4rd> i did it yesterday
[05:18] <monchy> a while i think
[05:18] <liz4rd> that sucks
[05:19] <kalenedrael> hahahha
[05:19] <liz4rd> lol what?
[05:19] <liz4rd> my wedding
[05:19] <liz4rd> ?
[05:19] <kalenedrael> yes
[05:19] <kalenedrael> that's great
[05:19] <liz4rd> lol that was yesterday
[05:20] <kalenedrael> "till netsplit do you part"
[05:20] <liz4rd> XD I LOVE THAT PART
[05:20] <liz4rd> was pure improve
[05:20] <liz4rd> we didnt plan a thing
[05:20] <kalenedrael> haha
[05:38] <Lincx> How do i get the flash media player plugin 
[05:38] <Lincx> wait forget it
[05:38] <liz4rd> lol
[05:39] <Lincx> lol @ me
[05:39] <liz4rd> ^_^
[05:39] <liz4rd> so what made you change?
[05:39] <Lincx> Me well i liked Gnome but i dunno
[05:39] <Lincx> wanted to try it 
[05:39] <liz4rd> lol
[05:39] <liz4rd> good enough
[05:39] <Lincx> and i like the hover-over-icon-boxes
[05:40] <liz4rd> :P
[05:43] <Lincx> Hmm hey you have any tips on customization?
[05:43] <liz4rd> for KDE?
[05:44] <liz4rd> http://kde-look.org
[05:44] <liz4rd> get super karamba
[05:44] <liz4rd> i dont use alot of eye  candy anymore tho
[05:44] <liz4rd> brb
[05:45] <Lincx> No like software
[05:52] <liz4rd> back
[05:53] <liz4rd> fucker left
[05:58] <monchy> quiet night
[05:58] <liz4rd> yeah i know
[05:58] <liz4rd> wierd
[05:59] <monchy> at least pulp fiction was on
[05:59] <liz4rd> lol
[06:01] <monchy> you laugh but its the best movie ever :p
[06:08] <Tm_T> hmh
[06:33] <_oliver> G'day.  Have any of you people got ruby on rails working on kubuntu 5.04?
[06:35] <liz4rd> ... thats a programing language isnt it
[06:36] <_oliver> Ruby is the programming language, rails is the web development platform...
[06:36] <liz4rd> oh cool
[06:36] <_oliver> It's really nice; especially when one can get it to install
[06:36] <liz4rd> :P
[06:37] <liz4rd> isnt ruby like from python?
[06:38] <_oliver> I came over from SimplyMEPIS, thinking (as always), wow, this sounds great, I bet there's hardly any stupid quirks in Ubuntu!
[06:38] <_oliver> From python?
[06:38] <_oliver> It's its own language...
[06:40] <liz4rd> ...ok
[06:40] <_oliver> Ruby is an interpreted scripting language though...
[06:43] <Octane> anyone here know of a way to make kubuntu not request a pw when i sudo
[06:44] <liz4rd> now why would you want that ?
[06:48] <SQFreak> I'm using Ubuntu (with kde installed). Can I use the KOffice source line on kubuntu.org? I'm currently using one from one of KDE's mirrors (deb ftp://chernabog.cc.vt.edu/pub/projects/kde/stable/koffice-1.4/kubuntu hoary-updates main)...
[07:02] <liz4rd> hello
[07:02] <weijie90> hi
[07:02] <liz4rd> sup?
[07:02] <weijie90> whats the vanilla kernel
[07:02] <weijie90> the original one?
[07:02] <liz4rd> google?
[07:02] <liz4rd> i dont know
[07:02] <mrmanic> ?
[07:03] <mrmanic> it's the one from kernel.org
[07:03] <weijie90> i see
[07:03] <mrmanic> unpatched
[07:03] <unome> man my connection is crawling under linux. is there a way to improve it?
[07:03] <weijie90> on kernel.org what do the patches do? 
[07:04] <weijie90> the kernel.org patches
[07:04] <liz4rd> unome: how so
[07:04] <unome> liz4rd: how do I know. 
[07:04] <liz4rd> that too
[07:04] <weijie90> unome: u using eciadsl driver or network card?
[07:04] <dabaR> unome, pages loading slow?
[07:04] <mrmanic> weijie90: various things.  the mm patches generally support more experimental stuff, and the ac patches tend to be less experimental and more stuff that will probably make it into the next kernel revision, I think.
[07:04] <unome> yes
[07:04] <dabaR> haha
[07:04] <dabaR> you were in both channs.
[07:05] <dabaR> well, how do you notice this?
[07:05] <weijie90> should i use them?
[07:05] <unome> weijie90: card
[07:05] <unome> dabaR: tests
[07:05] <unome> downlods etc
[07:05] <dabaR> oh, well, that means not much...
[07:05] <dabaR> try pinging your ISPs home page.
[07:05] <weijie90> unome: ADSL?
[07:05] <dabaR> tell me if its over 150ms
[07:06] <unome> yes it does, when I down the live cd from the same source under windoz and linux it's huge dif
[07:06] <unome> weijie90: cable supposedly the best in east cost
[07:06] <weijie90> hmm
[07:06] <mrmanic> weijie90: only if you need something that they provide
[07:06] <unome> dba 389
[07:06] <dabaR> how did that ping work?
[07:06] <mrmanic> weijie90: choosing and configuring your own kernel is generally a big job.  
[07:07] <weijie90> what about the ubuntu patches? do i need them?
[07:07] <mrmanic> weijie90: why do you want to make your own kernel?
[07:07] <weijie90> im using 686, the kernel is for 386
[07:07] <mrmanic> why not just download the kernel image for 686?
[07:07] <weijie90> where?
[07:07] <unome> dabaR: they're blocking pings
[07:08] <sproingie> the kernel works on 386.  it's actualy compiled for 586
[07:08] <mrmanic> linux-image-2.6.11-1-686, I think
[07:08] <dabaR> unome, I bet you ahve a router, tho.
[07:08] <mrmanic> maybe I'm wrong on that.
[07:08] <weijie90> so its the same, but faster?
[07:08] <unome> dabaR: negative
[07:08] <dabaR> firewall?
[07:08] <sproingie> i don't think you'll notice any speed difference
[07:08] <unome> dabaR: no
[07:08] <mrmanic> iaw sproingie 
[07:08] <dabaR> unome, cant ping anything? or just their page?
[07:08] <unome> I dont need no firewall I'm not runing anythig on this box
[07:09] <sproingie> honestly, the kernel takes almost NO advantage of cpu-specific optimizations like SSE2
[07:09] <unome> dabaR: just their pag
[07:09] <unome> e
[07:09] <dabaR> ok, ping google, tell me if its over 100ms
[07:09] <weijie90> hmm
[07:09] <mrmanic> weijie90: if you're going to try to optimize your system, I'd go with gentoo
[07:09] <sproingie> a processor-specific build of xmms might be faster.  you will NOT notice a difference with a kernel
[07:09] <unome> dabaR: 64 bytes from 216.239.37.99: icmp_seq=14 ttl=243 time=17.9 ms
[07:09] <dabaR> nice
[07:09] <unome> yep
[07:09] <unome> but still slow
[07:10] <liz4rd> sproingie: hey man
[07:10] <dabaR> ok, well, what does the bnandwidth test tell you?
[07:10] <unome> compering to windoz
[07:10] <unome> daba 8mb
[07:10] <sproingie> liz4rd: how's married life beating you?
[07:10] <liz4rd> sproingie: havnt seen him since
[07:10] <dabaR> 8Mbits??
[07:10] <dabaR> per sec?
[07:10] <liz4rd> sproingie: but like 10 people said they posted to bash.org but its not up yet :P
[07:10] <unome> huh
[07:10] <unome> sec?
[07:10] <dabaR> 8Mbps?
[07:11] <mrmanic> bash.org is WAY lagged.
[07:11] <weijie90> i heard that compiling for your own machine only gives a 2% speed increase
[07:11] <sproingie> ping times suck for bandwidth tests
[07:11] <dabaR> well, they dont do that at all.
[07:11] <mrmanic> bash.org has a backlog of quotes numbering in the tens of thousands, I think.
[07:11] <dabaR> they test the delayt
[07:11] <sproingie> ping -f might do better.  'course it might get you firewalled
[07:11] <dabaR> I just had a course..
[07:11] <liz4rd> mrmanic: :(
[07:11] <unome> dabaR: 6.6 megabits per second yes
[07:11] <mrmanic> liz4rd: you could always be a quote judge person.
[07:12] <unome> under linux
[07:12] <unome> and 9 some under windoz
[07:12] <liz4rd> mrmanix: whats that?
[07:12] <mrmanic> liz4rd: you could decide which quotes get accepted.
[07:12] <dabaR> thats good, whats your DL speed for downloading from sites?
[07:12] <liz4rd> mrmanic: how
[07:12] <dabaR> 9 some, thats a good isp...
[07:12] <unome> its cable
[07:12] <dabaR> ya, Comcast caps at 6.
[07:12] <unome> 387
[07:12] <weijie90> i heard that compiling for your own machine only gives a 2% speed increase
[07:13] <sproingie> i get 10 megabits from rcn
[07:13] <unome> sproingie: I believe you
[07:13] <dabaR> well, thats not too bad, not sure why its slower... if you ahve no firewall, no router, good ping times...not sure at all.
[07:13] <sproingie> 1.5 up ... fine by me, i don't serve files anyway
[07:13] <mrmanic> liz4rd: http://bash.org/modapp/app/
[07:13] <liz4rd> the bandwidth tests are gay for me cuz the servers are far
[07:13] <dabaR> well, they give you some kind of picture...
[07:14] <unome> maybe test suck under windowz caus they use java?
[07:14] <liz4rd> mrmanic: those aplications are probly back logged aswell :P
[07:14] <unome> and linux java support sux?
[07:14] <sproingie> weijie90: compiling for your own machine will give you negative increase if you do it wrong
[07:14] <unome> I mean under linux
[07:14] <mrmanic> weijie90: I think it depends on what compiler you use.  icc used to give a MAD speed increase
[07:14] <mrmanic> liz4rd: I don't think so...I think the application process is pretty automated.
[07:14] <dabaR> I would doubt that, but then again, I would doubt anything, its weird...
[07:14] <liz4rd> oh
[07:14] <sproingie> icc is unlikely to speed up the kernel, which is almost ALWAYS i/o bound
[07:14] <weijie90> icc vs gcc??
[07:14] <dabaR> you know what it could be,..
[07:15] <dabaR> it could be that just at diff times you tested, when there are less of your isp's users online when in windows, and when there are more bandwidth hogs in linux..
[07:15] <dabaR> that would make sense
[07:16] <dabaR> cable dont guarantee bandwidth, it is spread over the number of users inherently due to the architecture.
[07:16] <mrmanic> sproingie: A buddy of mine successfully compiled the kernel with icc and he said it helped with skipping on video and things like that.  I don't know why, though.
[07:16] <weijie90> oh icc is not free 
[07:16] <sproingie> which is odd, considering the kernel doesn't do any kind of codec stuff
[07:16] <mrmanic> weijie90: you can get a license for it for personal use.
[07:16] <weijie90> ic
[07:16] <mrmanic> sproingie: yeah, but it does handle scheduling, so if that were tightened up, it might account for the speedup.
[07:16] <mrmanic> I don't know much
[07:17] <sproingie> compiling a preemptible kernel helps with skipping.  icc isn't likely to speed up the poor algorithms linux uses for page selection and such
[07:17] <sproingie> the scheduling algorithm is computationally trivial
[07:17] <sproingie> it itself takes basically no time, unless you're running 10000 processes
[07:18] <sproingie> even now i think it's using an O(1) algorithm, so it still takes no time
[07:18] <mrmanic> You know a lot more than I do, sproingie 
[07:19] <trooperdb> using kubuntu.. wondering where to change the click behavior for kde (double click vs single click,etc)?
[07:19] <sproingie> maybe it moves code around for cache locality or something, which could really help
[07:19] <unome> whoa! k3b is really great
[07:19] <sproingie> i doubt it's THAT sophisticated tho
[07:19] <sproingie> mmmm k3b is nice indeed
[07:20] <unome> first time I use it
[07:20] <sproingie> i'll never use nero again (not that I did before, I used alcohol 120)
[07:20] <liz4rd> sproingie: wtf
[07:20] <liz4rd> :P
[07:20] <Tm_T> trooperdb: kcontrol -> pheripherals -> mouse
[07:21] <liz4rd> sproingie: me and trangress are updating the site oday to the new version...i think your funny and would be good for the project i gotta talk to him later
[07:21] <trooperdb> thanks :)
[07:21] <sproingie> alcohol is still good for beating copy protection, but k3b's got some nice interface overall
[07:21] <unome> nice interface and speed 
[07:22] <unome> did I close the window?
[07:23] <trooperdb> this is a pretty nice distribution... never again will i tweak a debian install to death just for some eye candy ;)
[07:23] <liz4rd> lol
[07:24] <unome> I came back to linux after 3 years of divorce and I'm telling you huge difference
[07:24] <mrmanic> is there anything like alcohol 120% on linux?
[07:24] <sproingie> mrmanic: i doubt it
[07:24] <liz4rd> my computer hasnt sniffed windoze dor 9 months
[07:24] <unome> yes, only better: k3b lol
[07:25] <sproingie> k3b is a competitor to nero, not alcohol
[07:25] <unome> 9 months uptime?
[07:25] <mrmanic> unome: I sense you haven't been using alcohol to its fullest extent.
[07:25] <sproingie> alcohol has a virtual drive manager with copy protection emulation
[07:25] <unome> mrmanic: right
[07:26] <mrmanic> sproingie: that is why I use it on windows, for that specific piece of functionality.  I would guess that it's not necessary on linux b/c there isn't that much copy protection to deal with on linux b/c most programs are distributed via the internet rather than on CD (oh, and are open source and copy friendly)
[07:27] <sproingie> cd images are pretty easy in linux for sure, you just mount the file.  tho a virtual device doesn't seem to exist
[07:27] <sproingie> yeah, i guess there's not much call for it on linux
[07:38] <cartel_> wtf
[07:38] <liz4rd> what
[07:39] <cartel_> i just got 8 iterations of amarok open
[07:41] <liz4rd> lol
[07:41] <cartel_> wtf
[07:46] <mrmanic> sproingie: one nice thing that I'd love to see integrated into kubuntu by default is the mountiso stuff
[07:50] <Octane> i want to install a newer version of amarok but in order to do that, i need to apt-get remove it (which will remove metapackage kubuntu-desktop). is that alright?
[07:50] <cartel_> you should just be able to apt-get install the new version over the top
[08:03] <cartel_> anyone got a ubuntu gimpshop .deb anywhere?
[08:04] <liz4rd> ooh i want it to if anyone does
[08:07] <unome> how do you strart hdcp server?
[08:11] <cartel_> ttp://web.njit.edu/%7Est7/mirror/GIMPShop/gimp_2.2.4-2_i386.deb
[08:11] <liz4rd> thx
[08:12] <cartel_> i havent tested it
[08:12] <liz4rd> oh
[08:12] <liz4rd> :P
[08:12] <cartel_> so dont bitch when it breaks
[08:12] <cartel_> (downloading now)
[08:12] <liz4rd> lol
[08:23] <cartel_> sorry liz4rd, it is a sarge deb
[08:23] <liz4rd> SHIT
[08:24] <cartel_> hahahaha...
[08:24] <cartel_> dont worry it wont break anything
[08:58] <liz4rd> OMG
[08:58] <liz4rd> HE'S BACK
[08:58] <liz4rd> :P
[08:58] <cartel_> OMGWTFHAXBBQ
[08:59] <unome> hey what's a good peer-to-peer app these days?
[08:59] <cartel_> apollon
[08:59] <liz4rd> limewire?
[08:59] <unome> keep coming
[08:59] <liz4rd> bit torrent
[08:59] <liz4rd> your mom
[08:59] <liz4rd> amule
[08:59] <liz4rd> emule
[08:59] <liz4rd> your mom
[08:59] <liz4rd> bit torrrent
[09:00] <unome> you must be a teenager.
[09:00] <unome> thanks
[09:00] <liz4rd> ...oh yes..youv caught me...go you
[09:00] <liz4rd> ^_^
[09:00] <liz4rd> OMG
[09:01] <liz4rd> i'v just been labled
[09:05] <kakalto> anybody got some good grub splash images?
[09:06] <unome> I use 'gear'
[09:15] <thieflar> I have a question: how do I uninstall everything from "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" so that I can re-run it? I'm in GNOME right now, the first installation didn't work, and I want to retry it.
[09:17] <kakalto> thieflar, don't quote me on this, but I'd assume you'd go "sudo apt-get uninstall kubuntu-desktop"
[09:18] <unome> remove
[09:18] <thieflar> kakalto: thanks, i'll try it
[09:19] <kakalto> remove
[09:19] <m0ns00n> Holla!
[09:19] <m0ns00n> :-)
[09:19] <liz4rd> lol hey
[09:20] <thieflar> Haha, it said, "invalid option: uninstall".
[09:20] <thieflar> thanks though
[09:20] <thieflar> does anyone know how to uninstall everything "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" put on my computer?
[09:21] <liz4rd> you cant
[09:21] <liz4rd> its just a lil thing it installed a bunch of other progs
[09:21] <liz4rd> you'll have to do it all seperatly
[09:21] <kakalto> thieflar, didn't you notice unome say remove
[09:21] <kakalto> "sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop"
[09:21] <liz4rd> or that
[09:21] <liz4rd> no it doesnt
[09:22] <kakalto> ohk
[09:24] <thieflar> kakalto: no, didn't see that, thanks
[09:28] <thieflar> didn't work
[09:29] <thieflar> "E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)." 
[09:35] <Firetech> thieflar: one thing you can do (not really recommended... I did it, and got a non-kubuntu-kde when I reinstalled it afterwards...) is to apt-get remove kdelibs4... (I do NOT recommend it.)
[09:36] <Firetech> It's a last exit if you can't figure out anything else.
[09:37] <thieflar> Firetech: It's looking like I'll have to risk it. Why don't you recommend it?
[09:38] <Firetech> thieflar: "...u can do (not really recommended... I did it, and got a non-kubuntu-kde when I reinstalled it afterwards...) is to a..
[09:39] <kakalto> basically, the themes, etc. from kubuntu weren't applied to kde after?
[09:39] <Firetech> you'll probably get a working kde but the kubuntu-default-settings packages kind of disappears and cannot be reinstalled
[09:39] <Firetech> *package
[09:40] <thieflar> I just want to get rid of KDE altogether so I can start over with its installation.
[09:40] <Firetech> then try it, but don't say I didn't warn you
[09:40] <thieflar> lol
[09:40] <thieflar> Ok I'm doing it.
[09:41] <Firetech> I did it some months ago, and now some packages have changed.
[09:41] <thieflar> it won't even let me do that
[09:42] <Firetech> sudo apt-get remove kdelibs4
[09:43] <thieflar> i did, it says i have "Unmet dependencies." .... one second I'm "meeting my dependencies"
[09:43] <Firetech> Microsoft are plain stupid right now... In November they will activate Sender ID  for MSN and Hotmail...
[09:45] <Firetech> only 1,5 % of all mail servers use it (It's patented and won't be able for Debian, and probably not Ubuntu either...). Everyting NOT coming from a Sender ID server will be marked as spam. How many users do you think will leave Hotmail?
[09:45] <Firetech> They are killing themselves.
[09:48] <chris> anyone got a stock cupsd.conf file from Kubuntu
[09:49] <Firetech> chris: maybe
[09:49] <chris> i hosed my cups install and when i try to reinstall and restart the service it doesn't start
[09:50] <Firetech> hmm
[09:50] <liz4rd> http://irclikelife.com/ LMFAO read the episodes!!!
[09:50] <Firetech> I seem to have one... Last changed in February, and I didn't have kubuntu by then :P
[09:51] <chris> it seems like i blew away too much in the /etc/cups folder
[09:59] <Almindor> hello, will KDE 3.4.1 be a standard addition in hoary or will it be standard only for next release? (I read the topic)
[09:59] <Almindor> just should I wait for it or should I get it manualy..
[10:04] <kakalto> hoary is already out...
[10:05] <Almindor> yes but KDE3.4.1 is not in the standard repositories
[10:05] <Almindor> will it?
[10:05] <kakalto> I don't think they're going to change it, they'd just incorporate 3.4.1 in breezy
[10:05] <Almindor> I see
[10:10] <yukimaru> i wanna run a kunumtu server
[10:11] <yukimaru> anyone know if it works well
[10:11] <mindspin> you mean kubuntu server ?
[10:13] <mindspin> if not, just out of curiousity what is kunumtu server?
[10:16] <Yuki-San> lol
[10:16] <Yuki-San> typo
[10:31] <Lathiat> So.. in breezy, i installed kubuntu-desktop, and it doesnt show up in kdm or gdms session list. any ideas?
[10:39] <\sh> yes
[10:47] <chris> has anyone successfully configured pdf-cups on Kubunu.  I'm trying to print from windows xp to a pdf printer on Kubuntu.  It shows the job is sent to the linux box but then sits in the queue.  
[10:47] <chris> i should mention i have set the pdf printer up through samba.
[10:48] <\sh> Lathiat: apt-get install ksmserver:
[10:48] <\sh> Lathiat: apt-get install ksmserver
[10:48] <Lathiat> thanks \sh 
[10:48] <\sh> Lathiat: sorry for the long time...apt-file had to be updated ;)
[10:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can someone tell me how to delete files using sudo...iforgot
[10:49] <chris> sudo rm 
[10:49] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thanx
[10:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's a dir i created and it won't let me delete is there another comannd?
[10:52] <chris> yeah, rm is just for files ithink
[10:52] <chris> #cups
[10:52] <\sh> ChurcH_of_FoamY: rmdir == delete empty dir
[10:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[10:52] <\sh> rm -Rvf /dir == delete the contents of the dir completly and remove the empty dir afterwards
[10:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and when you uninstall a program does it remove all refrences to that program?
[10:53] <spiritz> hey
[10:53] <spiritz> does anyone know the kubuntu repository for breezy? I can't find it out.
[10:54] <\sh> spiritz: archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse
[10:54] <spiritz> Ok, I thought there was a specific one such as kubuntu.org/breezy...
[10:54] <spiritz> thanks \sh
[10:57] <spiritz> \sh : too bad, I'm still having the same problem with this repository... half of the packages request kdelibs4 while other request kdelibs4c2 ; Is there any quick fix?
[10:58] <\sh> spiritz: yes, don't use breezy ;) right now :)
[10:58] <spiritz> :)
[10:59] <\sh> spiritz: no, anyways, we're just at the end of the cxx transition, not all the apps are rebuilded, so at least you have to w8 a bit longer
[10:59] <spiritz> Ok
[11:00] <spiritz> \sh: is it gonna like 2 or 3 days?
[11:00] <\sh> spiritz: no :)
[11:00] <spiritz> \sh, ok fine
[11:00] <spiritz> \sh tnaks
[11:00] <\sh> spiritz: u know, 20 ppl against a lot more packages ;)
[11:01] <spiritz> \sh: yep I know.. I got more than 300 broken packages ;)
[11:06] <Lathiat|Home> nextquestion, what do i need to do to convince amaroK to play an mp3
[11:06] <Lathiat|Home> or juk
[11:07] <Lathiat|Home> maybe artsd+dmix isnt playing so well
[11:12] <CherryX^> Hey, i'm having problems installing GCC/G++ on kubuntu
[11:12] <CherryX^> any help for the sudo apt-get install package name?
[11:34] <Lathiat|Home> "The /usr/bin/klaptop_acpi_helper aplication does not seem to have the same size or checksum as when it wascompiled"
[11:34] <Lathiat|Home> nice
[12:02] <_cloud> re all
[12:02] <_cloud> hi..someone can give me some help about the sources.list?
[12:03] <Tm_T> yes?
[12:04] <_cloud> well...i was trying to install amule and amsn but apt-get can't connect to the repository!
[12:04] <Tm_T> error was?
[12:05] <_cloud> it gives error on dependencies of gtk
[12:05] <_cloud> and i can't install gtk
[12:05] <_cloud> i tryind with kynaptic but it does'nt install the packages i select
[12:05] <Tm_T> hmm
[12:05] <Tm_T> ok, say "sudo apt-get install amsn" in konsole
[12:06] <Tm_T> paste output to somewhere
[12:06] <_cloud> root@K5:/home/cloud # sudo apt-get install amsn
[12:06] <_cloud> Lettura della lista dei pacchetti in corso... Fatto
[12:06] <_cloud> Generazione dell'albero delle dipendenze in corso... Fatto
[12:06] <_cloud> E: Impossibile trovare amsn
[12:06] <Tm_T> ah
[12:06] <_cloud> bh
[12:06] <_cloud> :)
[12:07] <Tm_T> ok, so there's no amsn package?
[12:07] <_cloud> it seems...i downladed the .deb package but i don't know how install that"!
[12:07] <_cloud> :((
[12:07] <Tm_T> ah!
[12:07] <Tm_T> dpkg -i package.deb
[12:08] <Tm_T> and sudo ofcourse
[12:08] <_cloud> in the same directory of the package?
[12:08] <Tm_T> yup
[12:08] <Tm_T> and replace package.deb with your package
[12:08] <_cloud> i'm already in root mode so sudo is not necessary right?
[12:08] <Tm_T> yup
[12:09] <Tm_T> hmm hmm hmm
[12:10] <_cloud> it is impossible to install amsn with dpkg..it returns errors with dependencies...
[12:10] <_cloud> it needs some libraries tha ti don't have installed
[12:10] <thoreauputic> erm.. apt-cache policy amsn -->  500 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com hoary/universe Packages  <-- it's in universe
[12:10] <_cloud> ??
[12:10] <Tm_T> _cloud: then "apt-get -f install"
[12:10] <thoreauputic> _cloud:  you need to enable universe repository
[12:10] <Tm_T> I think it'll install all dependencies
[12:11] <thoreauputic> Tm_T: that won't work - he needs universe
[12:11] <_cloud> apt-get -f install removed amsn
[12:11] <_cloud> *_*
[12:11] <_cloud> aargh!
[12:11] <Tm_T> good ;p
[12:11] <_cloud> hehehe
[12:12] <Tm_T> just enable universe then
[12:12] <_cloud> ok
[12:12] <Tm_T> if it's there
[12:12] <_cloud> how can i do that?
[12:12] <Tm_T> edit your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:12] <_cloud> i uncommented the lines of the repository url but it didn't work...
[12:12] <_cloud> ok
[12:12] <thoreauputic>  [repositories]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[12:13] <thoreauputic> _cloud: run sudo apt-get update afterwards
[12:13] <thoreauputic> or reload your list...
[12:13] <thoreauputic> same thing
[12:15] <_cloud> doing that..
[12:16] <_cloud> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[12:16] <_cloud>    deb-src ftp://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse
[12:16] <_cloud> i added those lines
[12:16] <_cloud> following the howto instructions
[12:16] <_cloud> now i'm going to do the apt-get update
[12:16] <_cloud> and i'm twisting my fingers :D
[12:17] <_cloud> ok update seems to have updated the packages list
[12:17] <_cloud> now i can do apt.get install?
[12:18] <Tm_T> yup
[12:18] <thoreauputic> OK now see if  sudo apt-get install amsn  works
[12:18] <_cloud> amsn: Dipende: imlib1 ma non  installabile
[12:18] <_cloud>         Dipende: libpng10-0 ma non  installabile
[12:18] <_cloud> it returns this error..
[12:18] <_cloud> it needs this libraries
[12:18] <thoreauputic> _cloud: you made an error folowing the howto i think
[12:18] <_cloud> *_*
[12:19] <thoreauputic> replace your /etc/apt/sources.list with this one and try again >> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[12:20] <thoreauputic> replace the whole thing 
[12:20] <thoreauputic> move the old one if you want 
[12:22] <_cloud> WHOA...IT WORKS :D
[12:22] <thoreauputic> now leave that list alone ;)
[12:23] <Chameleon22> do you people actualy think that linux is better then windows...? lol linux is a joke
[12:23] <thoreauputic> Chameleon22: troll elsewhere
[12:23] <_cloud> ahhaha
[12:23] <Chameleon22> thoreauputic, aww did i hurt your little feelings?
[12:23] <_cloud> idiot trolls
[12:23] <_cloud> thanks to all for the support
[12:23] <_cloud> you are great guys
[12:24] <Chameleon22> bunch of wannabes lol 
[12:24] <Tm_T> =)
[12:24] <Tm_T> Chameleon22: try #linux ;)
[12:24] <Chameleon22> i like it here 
[12:24] <Chameleon22> :p
[12:24] <Chameleon22> liz4rd, you awake dude?
[12:25] <liz4rd> yeah
[12:25] <liz4rd> whast up
[12:25] <Chameleon22> eh nothing just stirring shit lol
[12:26] <Chameleon22> maybe if thoreauputic had a gf he wouldnt react like that ay 
[12:26] <Chameleon22> :p
[12:26] <Chameleon22> liz4rd, hows your coding going? 
[12:27] <liz4rd> meh sticking with python
[12:27] <Chameleon22> cool cool
[12:27] <Chameleon22> planty of time 
[12:27] <Chameleon22> for others
[12:27] <liz4rd> yeah
[12:28] <Chameleon22> ok its toileting time
[12:30] <liz4rd> LOL
[12:37] <jenton> hey all 
[12:38] <jenton> having trouble installing koffice 1.4 from the kubuntu.org debian repositories
[12:38] <jenton> can anyone help?
[12:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can someone tell me how to make xmms the defualt player for inet radio in kubuntu?
[12:58] <Tm_T> xmms :/
[12:59] <Tm_T> amaroK <3
[12:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[12:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'll use that
[01:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but i have to configure streamtuner to use it
[01:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and then configure amaroK to be the default player
[01:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Tm_T have i lost you yet?
[01:01] <Tm_T> hmm
[01:01] <Tm_T> what you maen by default player? konqi settings?
[01:01] <Tm_T> mean
[01:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um ok let me explane what i'm trying to do
[01:02] <Tm_T> please do
[01:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i am trying to use streamtuner to record my favorite radio station
[01:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> xmms sucks
[01:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and streamtuner uses it has it's default app for media
[01:02] <Tm_T> ah
[01:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i wanna change that to something better
[01:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and make that same app the default for the system
[01:02] <Tm_T> ok, so we talk about streamtuners settings
[01:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok ^_^
[01:02] <Tm_T> uh
[01:03] <Tm_T> or, well..
[01:03] <Tm_T> I don't really know what kind of app streamtuner is ;p
[01:03] <Tm_T> I'll check it and let you know if I find out something
[01:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it lets you record inet music
[01:05] <Tm_T> ah yes!
[01:05] <Tm_T> found it
[01:05] <Tm_T> in streamtuner -> edit -> preferences -> 
[01:06] <Tm_T> and change xmms to one you like to use, but in this case, amaroK isn't the best choice
[01:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[01:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> what would you suggest?
[01:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kaffiene? beep?
[01:07] <Tm_T> simple qt app
[01:08] <Tm_T> was it noatun that audioplayer...
[01:08] <Tm_T> something like that
[01:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't know
[01:09] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just wanna get something that works
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kaffiene eats cpu 
[01:10] <Tm_T> try noatun
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and xmms sucks
[01:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> don't have it :(
[01:10] <Tm_T> doh
[01:11] <Tm_T> install it then ;)
[01:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[01:12] <Tm_T> looks like it's audio/videoplayer
[01:12] <Tm_T> don't forget to install noatun-plugins package
[01:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[01:13] <Tm_T> I think that'll do it
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'll get it
[01:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now
[01:16] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: erm - you *do* have streamripper, I assume?
[01:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes
[01:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i do ^_^
[01:16] <thoreauputic> OK
[01:16] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i downloaded them both and installed
[01:16] <thoreauputic> right
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> see i'm trying to make it the default music app so i can listen to a station that dosen't
[01:17] <Tm_T> thoreauputic: looks like you have an idea, so go ahead and share it with us
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> show up in the live 365 tab
[01:17] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you might prefer beep-media-player to xmms - it has more intuitive preferences
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> see my idea is why have to launch several diffrent progs to record music
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i should be able to go to www.live365.com click on the station i want
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that should open up streamtuner and the app that i select to play the music
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and then if i like the song i record it ^_^
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no hassle no fuss
[01:19] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you could make streamripper your default and tap into it using port 8000 ( I do this) See man streamripper
[01:19] <thoreauputic> You then have your player reading form the local port 8000 
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how do i do that man thing is that manual?
[01:19] <thoreauputic> and you are recording at the same time...
[01:19] <thoreauputic> yes
[01:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm
[01:20] <thoreauputic> hang on
[01:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i'll have to find the manual then
[01:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just want a player that works good with internet radio
[01:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kaffiene does but it sucks to much cpu for my taste
[01:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and xms is a waste of time
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> xmms even
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> not even a halfway decent peace of code that xmmx
[01:21] <thoreauputic> the option for using a redirected port 8000 is -r I think (streamripper)
[01:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[01:22] <thoreauputic> then you tune in to http://127.0.0.1:8000  to monitor the rip
[01:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm
[01:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thinks for a sed
[01:23] <thoreauputic> so you can listen and record at the same time, and not waste any bandwidth
[01:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm 
[01:24] <thoreauputic> my "record a stream" says x-terminal-emulator -e streamripper %q -r /path/to/music/directory
[01:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm trying to locate the station in live 365 tab but i can't even find it in search
[01:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and you did all that in streamtuner?
[01:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> where lol
[01:25] <thoreauputic> no, that's in edit preferences in streamtuner
[01:25] <thoreauputic> edit > preferences . applications
[01:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't seem to have those settings in there
[01:26] <thoreauputic> oops it should be  x-terminal-emulator -e streamripper %q -r  -d /path/to/music/directory
[01:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok you lost me lol
[01:26] <thoreauputic> you change the settings for "Record a strem"
[01:26] <thoreauputic> *stream
[01:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh
[01:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so that would let me record whatever my pri music app hears?
[01:27] <thoreauputic> when you choose "record", yes
[01:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok do i have to make a music folder first?
[01:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> to record too?
[01:28] <thoreauputic> but your music app needs then to tune to  http://127.0.0.1:8000 
[01:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok now you really lost me >.<
[01:28] <thoreauputic> you don't have to make a dir - I think the default is your home dir
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so let me get this straight
[01:29] <thoreauputic> you make a preset/ bookmark for http://127.0.0.1:8000 
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> there we go lol
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now i get it
[01:30] <thoreauputic> then when you are recording, you listen to that URL
[01:30] <thoreauputic> but you have to use the -r option above for streamripper in prefs
[01:31] <thoreauputic>  x-terminal-emulator -e streamripper %q -r
[01:31] <thoreauputic> the -d option is just to direct output to a directory of your vhoice
[01:31] <thoreauputic> *choice
[01:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[01:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so the default is just as good?
[01:32] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: should be fine if you are happy with the dirs it makes for you
[01:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hey has long as i can find shit i don't care lol ^_^
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> now i need to make something else the default player
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kaffine sucks to much cpu power
[01:33] <thoreauputic> I just directed all output to /home/me/music
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't have that /me/music part lol
[01:34] <thoreauputic> beep is currently using about 1% or less CPU here...
[01:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice
[01:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok so how to make streamtuner use beep as well as kubuntu?
[01:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have it installed on top of my ubuntu install
[01:36] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: just put beep-media-player %q for the "Listen" options in streamtuner
[01:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> sweet
[01:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> for both .m3u and stream?
[01:37] <thoreauputic> sure
[01:37] <thoreauputic> works fine for both
[01:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[01:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok and how to make beep the default for kde?
[01:38] <thoreauputic> just add the -r option after %q on the "Record a stream" line and add the bookmark for local monitoring as above
[01:39] <thoreauputic> that I don't know - probably mime types in kcontrol
[01:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but my default player is kaffiene
[01:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i hate it lol
[01:39] <thoreauputic> associate mp3, ogg m3u pls etc with beep then
[01:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i do that how?
[01:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm in control center now
[01:40] <thoreauputic> in kcontrol, from memory - I'm using fluxbox here ATM
[01:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh
[01:40] <thoreauputic> file associations? something like that
[01:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> looks for kcontrol
[01:40] <thoreauputic> kcontrol is the control centre ;)
[01:41] <thoreauputic> you are already there :D
[01:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh lol
[01:42] <thoreauputic> KDE Components >> File Associations
[01:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm there
[01:42] <thoreauputic> audio
[01:43] <thoreauputic> OK just click a file type and set an app
[01:43] <thoreauputic> like vorbis >> beep-media-player for instance
[01:43] <thoreauputic> you can sort the order of preference as well
[01:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so just fill in for the app "beep-media-player" as well?
[01:44] <thoreauputic> try it and see
[01:44] <thoreauputic> and do the same for mpeg etc blah blah
[01:45] <thoreauputic> x-mp3...
[01:45] <thoreauputic> whatever
[01:45] <thoreauputic> you can always go back and chnge it if it doesn't work as expected
[01:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[01:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmmm don't seem to have beep
[01:48] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> forgot to get it lol
[01:48] <thoreauputic> haha - sudo apt-get install beep-media-player
[01:48] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:49] <thoreauputic> BTW you can use xmms skins or winamp2 skins with it
[01:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[01:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yay
[01:51] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:51] <thoreauputic> working?
[01:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> updateing system config now ^_^
[01:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> then i'll test
[01:54] <thoreauputic> if you got it right, clicking on an mp3 should start beep
[01:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> damnit it's still using caffine
[01:55] <thoreauputic> hmm
[01:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it won't change
[01:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[01:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i click on the station in firefox 
[01:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it opens a window that shows the songs
[01:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and then kaffine show up >.<
[01:55] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> stupid kaffine
[01:55] <thoreauputic> erm - do you have a plugin installed then?
[01:56] <thoreauputic> if you do, it will always do that
[01:56] <thoreauputic> it isn't kafeine that's at fault
[01:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i think i do
[01:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it won't let me record >.<
[01:56] <thoreauputic> well, you'd have to disable the plugin then
[01:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how?
[01:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in firefox?
[01:56] <thoreauputic> *sigh* 
[01:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hey i'm learning here thanx for being patent
[01:57] <thoreauputic> I can't tell you *everything*
[01:57] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[01:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> your being a really big help and i'm greatfull for it
[01:57] <thoreauputic> :)
[01:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if it wherent for people like you nubs like me would be sol
[01:58] <thoreauputic> This is why I suggested finding the URLs for your favourite streams and adding them as bookmarks to streamtuner
[01:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[01:59] <thoreauputic> usually you can get the URL by right clicking and saving the m3u or pls
[01:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats harder than it sounds lol
[01:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i had done that before and lost it
[01:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[01:59] <thoreauputic> then you open the file in an editor and copy paste the url
[01:59] <thoreauputic> that way you can always find the stream source in streamtuner
[02:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i'm gonna try to disable kaffine in firefox
[02:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nope i think i may uninstall it
[02:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and beep looks awsome ^_^
[02:02] <thoreauputic> the urls will look like  http://66.98.198.20:8004  or similar for mp3 streams
[02:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i know
[02:02] <thoreauputic> OK
[02:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just need to disable kaffine
[02:02] <thoreauputic> right
[02:02] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm probibly gonna uninstall it
[02:03] <thoreauputic> no need to do that unless you prefer xine or mplayer or whatever
[02:03] <thoreauputic> I mostly use plain xine-ui or totem-xine for video
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> well i looked in firefox for the plugin but can't find it
[02:03] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so i'm thinking it's in the control center someware
[02:04] <thoreauputic> possibly in the download section of prefs, or look at about:plugins
[02:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> still learning where things are in linux
[02:05] <thoreauputic> about:plugins in firefox URL bar will show what plugins you have
[02:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> Kaffeine Starter Plugin
[02:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY>     File name: kaffeineplugin.so
[02:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY>     Will start external Kaffeine Media Player for embedded media streams.
[02:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is what it says
[02:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> sorry spam >.<
[02:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shit i'll just uninstall it
[02:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if i need it i can always get it back
[02:07] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you can disable the plugins in the downloads section of FF preferences under edit>> preferences
[02:07] <thoreauputic> click on plugin there
[02:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[02:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> weard theres nothing that says kaffine in there >.<
[02:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i'm in the place where you control the plugins in ff
[02:11] <thoreauputic> did you click "plugins" at the bottom?
[02:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[02:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have the plugin too
[02:11] <thoreauputic> well, dunno then
[02:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ahh i'll just uninstall it no biggie ^_^
[02:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if i need it again i know where to get it ^_^
[02:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> to bad beep dosen't plug into ff
[02:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it works!!!
[02:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thank you so much thoreauputic ^_^
[02:15] <thoreauputic> no problem :)
[02:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you rock man
[02:16] <thoreauputic> I spend too much time digging in Linux when I should be working ;)
[02:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hey at least your learning something usefull
[02:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and your able to help us noobsa
[02:16] <thoreauputic> heh - yeah at least I can help out a bit
[02:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in 1 fell swoop ya solved all my probs
[02:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just gotta figure out my record problem now
[02:19] <thoreauputic> glad it's working for you :)
[02:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nicyly beep sounds awsome
[02:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[02:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> first time user
[02:20] <thoreauputic> yeah, beep works pretty well
[02:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm gonna remove that -r 
[02:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it dosen't seem to work
[02:20] <mikl> what would I use for communicating with my phone with IRDA?
[02:20] <thoreauputic> it does
[02:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but a box pops up and closes with an error
[02:20] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: remeber you have to tune beep to the local port 8000
[02:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh
[02:21] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: is stremripper working?
[02:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yes but i'm still trying to get the station
[02:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> url for it
[02:21] <thoreauputic> you might have a typo in your command
[02:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> x-terminal-emulator -e streamripper %q  -r
[02:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats what it is now
[02:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is that right?
[02:22] <thoreauputic> looks OK
[02:23] <thoreauputic> now make a preset/bookmark in streamtuner with http://127.0.0.1:8000 
[02:23] <thoreauputic> and when you record, click that to listen to the stream
[02:23] <thoreauputic> call it "Ripping Monitor" or something
[02:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nope the ripping monitor pops up and says something about proxys then 
[02:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> closes
[02:25] <thoreauputic> hmmm - well it should work I think: but now's the time to consult  "man streamripper "
[02:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yup
[02:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[02:25] <thoreauputic> your sysntax might need a tweak
[02:25] <thoreauputic> syntax^
[02:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm i can see the url in beeps playlist i just can't get to it
[02:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if i put that in streamripper than i'd be set
[02:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> man does beep sound nice ^_^
[02:26] <thoreauputic> so copy paste it in aterminal or add it as a bookmark or just type it in
[02:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[02:27] <thoreauputic> you'll work it out... once you have it it will be easy
[02:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yesp
[02:30] <thoreauputic> of course, the order you do it is :  click "record" in streamtuner first, then tune into the monitor with beep using your local monitor URL
[02:31] <thoreauputic> two clicks...
[02:33] <_cloud> hi all
[02:34] <_cloud> there is someone who have two minute?
[02:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh ok
[02:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i see
[02:34] <_cloud> i have to mount an hard disk on RAID
[02:34] <_cloud> but it not appear in the special device list
[02:35] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you are listening to the stream using a "proxy" port on your own machine
[02:36] <thoreauputic> _cloud: you might have a better response in #ubuntu - I know nothing about RAID and it's pretty quiet in here ATM
[02:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok so i start recording before i turn on beep?
[02:36] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yes
[02:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kk
[02:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> let me try
[02:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> maybe i did it backwards lol
[02:37] <thoreauputic> then you click the monitor shortcut you made
[02:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nope
[02:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i even got the url just as you said
[02:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> weard
[02:38] <thoreauputic> well, it's just a question of configuration: you *do* need to read the man
[02:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok will do thanx ^_^
[02:38] <thoreauputic> I had to work it out all by myself ;)
[02:38] <thoreauputic> heheh
[02:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow
[02:44] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: the important thing to understand is that you will listen to the stream as it is recording - but not from the original net URL: from the local port 8000 Does that make sense?
[02:50] <pointwood> how do I make Firefox use kpdf as the default for pdf files instead of xpdf?
[02:50] <thoreauputic> pointwood: change the default app in firefox prefs for downloads
[02:51] <pointwood> there's no default app
[02:52] <thoreauputic> does firefox pop up a chooser when you click on a pdf ?
[02:54] <pointwood> thoreauputic: yes
[02:54] <thoreauputic> here, I get a popup box asking if I want to download or view: there's a drop - down list to choose which app to pen with
[02:54] <thoreauputic> *open
[02:54] <pointwood> exactly
[02:54] <pointwood> I get the same
[02:55] <thoreauputic> you choose the app then, and tell it to always use the app you chose
[02:55] <thoreauputic> you want /usr/bin/kpdf I guess
[02:56] <pointwood> that's the problem, I don't want it to always use that
[02:56] <pointwood> I just want it to be the default
[02:56] <thoreauputic> in that case you choose each time - I don't see a problem?
[02:56] <pointwood> in the popup box
[02:57] <pointwood> I have to browse down to /usr/bin/kpdf each time
[02:57] <thoreauputic> type in /usr/bin/kpdf?
[02:57] <thoreauputic> I seem to remeber you can do that
[02:58] <thoreauputic> if you say to use it all the time, you can always change it in prefs
[02:58] <pointwood> hey! now it did it :)
[02:59] <thoreauputic> one way to find out I guess...
[03:00] <pointwood> yup
[03:00] <pointwood> worky worky
[03:00] <pointwood> but wierd
[03:01] <pointwood> because I've done it before without it chaning anything
[03:01] <thoreauputic> it's magic! *grin*
[03:06] <hongkonguk> lo
[03:16] <hongkonguk> can anyone shed light on a screen resolution issue i have?
[03:18] <_dw> var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.1-0ubuntu0hoary1_all.deb
[03:18] <_dw> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:19] <_dw> ... that's what I get on trying to upgrade to the new kde... Im getting
[03:19] <CavalierBob> HI all!
[03:19] <_dw> there a problem with that package?
[03:20] <_cloud> no way to solve this problem
[03:20] <_cloud> i don't know how to mount my 120gb on RAID
[03:20] <_cloud> ...
[03:20] <_cloud> sob..
[03:21] <CavalierBob> Has anyone here had problems using the Kubuntu KOffice 1.4.0 repo? I'm getting size mismatch errors on 3 packages.
[03:21] <_dw> CavalierBob: I'm getting an error too
[03:22] <_dw> ..but with the kdelibs-data package
[03:22] <CavalierBob> Posted to the Kubuntu forums, but no answers, but did find another user with the same error.
[03:23] <_dw> I haven't re-logged in yet; I hope this won't muck up my old kde...
[03:24] <CavalierBob> dw: I have but I didn't install since the packages would be missing.
[03:24] <CavalierBob> dw: It was suggested to file a bug. Does Kubuntu use Ubuntu's Bugzilla?
[03:25] <_dw> CavalierBob: I think so, yeah.
[03:26] <CavalierBob> dw: Thanks! I asked too soon. I just checked and they do indeed use Ubuntu's Bugzilla.
[03:26] <_dw> Cool. Could you paste the URL after so I can follow, too? :)
[03:29] <CavalierBob> dw: Here's the list with the bugs seaching Bugzilla on "kubuntu": http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43720
[03:29] <CavalierBob> dw: I'll post my bug URL in a biy - brb
[03:29] <CavalierBob> *bit
[03:30] <_dw> thanks
[03:43] <CavalierBob> dw: Here's the KOffice bug I just filed: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12116
[03:48] <_dw> Cool; I'll bookmark it. Thanks.
[03:51] <Riddell> CavalierBob: could you try installing now
[03:51] <Riddell> apt-get update && apt-get install koffice
[03:56] <CavalierBob> Riddell: Will try to install KOffice again, brb
[03:57] <CavalierBob> Riddell: Hmmm, just got the same error
[04:00] <CavalierBob> Riddell: let me try again. I think I messed up...I was using Synaptic, not apt-get.
[04:03] <CavalierBob> Riddell: My apoligies, yep, I messed up. Hadn't updated the repo in Synaptic. KOffice now installed perfectly! Thank you!
[04:03] <Riddell> CavalierBob: cool, thanks for reporting the issue
[04:04] <CavalierBob> Riddell: Glad to help! Thanks for all your teams work in making all this available
[05:02] <solomedes_>  Failed to fetch file:/mnt/wine/kubuntu/dists/hoary/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz File not found Failed to fetch
[05:02] <solomedes_> but its alrady in the path 
[05:02] <solomedes_> so whats da problem
[05:13] <_user> what's the minimal / size for ubuntu ?? (normal installation)
[05:14] <Tm_T> 1,8G
[05:14] <Tm_T> ?
[05:16] <Expelliarmus> i give it 7 gigs and up till now it's just being used < 2 gig :))
[05:17] <Expelliarmus> and one silly thing... i forgot to set up the swap partition :))
[05:17] <Expelliarmus> i ended up creating swap file :))
[05:17] <solomedes_> how i can install file.deb?
[05:17] <solomedes_> apt-get install file.deb ?
[05:17] <Tm_T> dpkg -i file.deb
[05:17] <solomedes_> or apt-get only for search in media source?
[05:17] <Expelliarmus> solomedes... apt-get install <package name> ??
[05:18] <solomedes_> thx Tm_T 
[05:18] <Expelliarmus> i'm having problem connecting to yahoo messenger (i'm behind an ISA server firewall)
[05:18] <Expelliarmus> any suggestion?
[05:48] <Expelliarmus> guys.... am i correct that gaim's and kopete's ui's "exactly" the same?
[05:48] <Tm_T> nah
[05:48] <Tm_T> there's differences
[05:49] <Expelliarmus> err
[05:49] <Expelliarmus> my mistakes....
[05:49] <Tm_T> try them and pick your favorite
[05:50] <Expelliarmus> actually.. i opened TWO gaim... and think that i opened both gaim and kopete :)
[05:51] <Tm_T> haha
[05:51] <Expelliarmus> lol :))
[05:52] <Expelliarmus> err... still i have problem connecting to yahoo messenger....
[05:52] <Expelliarmus> *behind ISA firewall*
[05:54] <jeramy> ISA?  You mean the architecture that was in use before PCI?  ;)
[05:55] <Expelliarmus> nope
[05:55] <Expelliarmus> you're joking... right :))
[05:55] <jeramy> Yes, I'm joking.  I don't know what an ISA firewall is, thought.
[05:55] <jeramy> though
[05:56] <hussam> jeramy: ISA = Microsoft ISA proxy server
[05:56] <Expelliarmus> :)))
[05:56] <Expelliarmus> any idea?
[05:56] <jeramy> The first thing that came to mind was "use a proxy server" but I guess not... :)
[05:57] <uniq> make the ISA server do NAT or masquerading. :)
[05:57] <jeramy> um, ask nicely for them to open the Yahoo port?  :)
[05:57] <Expelliarmus> i
[05:57] <Expelliarmus> i'm trying ntlmaps
[05:57] <Expelliarmus> hmmm
[05:57] <jeramy> hussam: thanks.  :)
[05:59] <hussam> jeramy: I was only kidding. I know you knew what it meant :)
[06:03] <Expelliarmus> hmmm
[06:04] <Expelliarmus> do you guys know any socks4/socks5 over http proxy?
[06:12] <oldwulf> hello all... New to ubuntu and haven't used debian in ages.  Im currently trying to port from fedora core 3 and ran into an issue with a sun qfe.  anyone know how to enable that during install?  should I try agian as expert?
[06:15] <oldwulf> I know that the sun qfe is not supported, but could I grab the module from debian and run it?
[06:16] <Expelliarmus> qfe ?? what's qfe? :p
[06:16] <oldwulf> Quad Fast Ethernet
[06:17] <jeramy> Yes, you most likely could.  Is it just one package?
[06:18] <Expelliarmus> oic... :)
[06:18] <jeramy> If so, you can just download it off Debian's web page, and then run "sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb"
[06:18] <oldwulf> I believe it would be.  I can probably just rebuild the kernel and add the module.  I know it is supported under the 2.6 kernel
[06:19] <jeramy> It's strange that there isn't a corresponding ubuntu package.
[06:19] <jeramy> Did you enable universe?
[06:19] <oldwulf> ah good point... wasn't sure if that would work pulling from debian into ubuntu... I figured it would because it ( ubuntu) is based off debian
[06:19] <oldwulf> having an issue continuing the install because it is looking for the network support
[06:20] <jeramy> Oh, that could be a problem... it's not yet installed?
[06:20] <jeramy> When I was disconnected from the network, though, it let me finish the install...
[06:20] <oldwulf> but I have to admit to not trying very hard to complete the install and I didn't run expert.  I will prolly do that later.  this is not a primary system.. Just testing ubuntu
[06:21] <oldwulf> like i said I didn't try very hard... got the error and stopped...not a major priority.. I have two other systems online to work from
[06:21] <oldwulf> ;-)
[06:23] <Expelliarmus> sounds like fun :)) btw, how much are you paying for your electric bill??
[06:23] <Expelliarmus> i wonder whether my country's electric rate's high?
[06:24] <oldwulf> Expelliarmus:  Was that directed to me? ;-)  
[06:25] <jeramy> Expelliarmus: Indonesia?
[06:26] <Expelliarmus> yeah :)
[06:27] <oldwulf> Heheh... actually my electric bill is like $50 for a four bed room house running 5 computer systems and a couple routers
[06:28] <oldwulf> btw, I'm in the US
[06:29] <Expelliarmus> 5 computers???
[06:29] <Expelliarmus> with monitors?
[06:29] <Expelliarmus> by router... you mean cisco class??
[06:29] <Expelliarmus> any air conditioner??
[06:30] <oldwulf> No only two monitors.. I have a linux firewall, linux samba server, a testing box and two winblows boxes.  a 24 port switch and a router behind my firewall for added security. ;)  no ac I live in a cold place
[06:30] <Expelliarmus> hehehe ... that (the last one)'s good excuse :))
[06:31] <Expelliarmus> hmm... btw that's still cheaper than my initial assumption.... :) :))
[06:31] <oldwulf> I'm actually looking into building a server room with air conditioning and a server rack for my systems
[06:31] <Expelliarmus> all those pc's running 24/7 ?
[06:32] <oldwulf> yes
[06:32] <oldwulf> never down
[06:32] <Expelliarmus> cool ...
[06:32] <oldwulf> the monitors are normally off at night
[06:32] <oldwulf> depending if I'm sleeping... I don't like to do that... too much in the world to absorb to sleep
[06:32] <Expelliarmus> here we have A LOT of electrical downtime... :)) lol .... around twice a month .. :p 
[06:33] <oldwulf> really
[06:33] <Expelliarmus> *blackout* ??
[06:33] <oldwulf> dang
[06:33] <oldwulf> where do you live
[06:33] <Expelliarmus> yeah .....
[06:33] <oldwulf> I lose power once maybe twice a year
[06:33] <oldwulf> ofcourse when we do it is normally out for a couple of days because of snow or tornado damage
[06:33] <oldwulf> ;-)
[06:33] <Expelliarmus> jakarta...... (the capital ..... :))
[06:34] <Expelliarmus> yeah ...at least with *good* reason.... 
[06:34] <Expelliarmus> tornado?? *phew*
[06:34] <oldwulf> is it just a power grid issue?
[06:34] <oldwulf> more users then power output or something
[06:34] <oldwulf> we have that issue in certain areas of the US
[06:35] <oldwulf> California is bad for that
[06:35] <oldwulf> way too many people for the amount of power that is being created
[06:36] <Expelliarmus> lol... something like that... i suppose....
[06:36] <Expelliarmus> afterall, we have a lot of "thief" here... :P
[06:36] <oldwulf> ?  that's uncool
[06:37] <oldwulf> it is a shame that the thieves don't understand the true impact of thieft
[06:37] <Expelliarmus> yeah ... :))
[06:37] <Expelliarmus> and we don't punish those "/thief
[06:38] <Expelliarmus> "
[06:38] <Expelliarmus> well... at least not enough :p
[06:39] <Expelliarmus> and what about your internet connection?
[06:44] <Expelliarmus> well.... guess i'm off for now... see you guys soon :))
[06:55] <oldwulf> later exp
[06:55] <oldwulf> too late
[06:56] <oldwulf> OK I'm off to lunch later all
[07:16] <nubster> hey
[07:19] <jeramy> Where is Kexi in the new KOffice 1.4?
[07:20] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php
[07:20] <Tm_T> read it through
[07:20] <jeramy> Oh, I see.  :)
[07:21] <jeramy> I did an apt-cache search and it didn't come up.  :(
[07:21] <jeramy> Will it be in the same deb location?
[07:23] <Tm_T> dunno
[07:24] <Tm_T> aah!
[07:24] <jeramy> aah?
[07:25] <Tm_T> I know why kexi isn't included
[07:25] <Tm_T> database driver issue
[07:25] <Riddell> Tm_T: ?
[07:25] <Tm_T> hmm, or maybe it's my install =)
[07:26] <Tm_T> I forgot I use trunk atm
[07:26] <yourghetek> if i do an apt-get install gnome-desktop. what will happen?
[07:26] <Tm_T> maybe I should install 1.4 branch instead
[07:26] <jeramy> Tm_T, did you set up a kdedev account, like they outline on quality.kde.org?  Just curious.
[07:26] <Riddell> yourghetek: evil things :)
[07:27] <Tm_T> jeramy: ehm?
[07:27] <yourghetek> Riddell: mmm
[07:27] <Tm_T> Riddell: http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kexi_001.jpg
[07:27] <Tm_T> Riddell: recent trunk svn
[07:27] <jeramy> Tm_T, I'm running the 3.4.1 stable, and trunk svn at the same time, but with two different accounts.
[07:28] <Tm_T> ah
[07:28] <Tm_T> I just install what ever I like to use
[07:28] <yourghetek> Tm_t: what is the app in teh upper right?
[07:28] <yourghetek> *the
[07:28] <Tm_T> yourghetek: torsmo
[07:29] <Tm_T> yourghetek: torsmo.sf.net
[07:29] <yourghetek> Tm_T: sudo apt-get install torsmo # i cant wait...
[07:29] <Tm_T> I advice to compile newest
[07:29] <yourghetek> mmm
[07:29] <yourghetek> too late
[07:29] <Tm_T> heh
[07:29] <Tm_T> you can always remove it ;)
[07:30] <mrmanic> apt has remove functionality?  
[07:30] <mrmanic> will wonders never cease?!
[07:30] <Tm_T> haha
[07:30] <yourghetek> Tm_T: sudo apt-get remove torsmo #sigh... Tm_T hates me
[07:30] <Tm_T> ] ;=
[07:30] <jeramy> and then you would use clean?  or autoclean? to remove it from the cache?
[07:31] <Tm_T> jeramy: whatever you like
[07:31] <jeramy> Tm_T, did you just download the snapshot or something?  How do you switch between trunk and 1.4 so quickly?
[07:32] <Tm_T> jeramy: in separate folders
[07:32] <Tm_T> links?
[07:32] <jeramy> ok, so you just have select apps then that you have on both?
[07:33] <Tm_T> jeramy: so I just unsermake install the one I wan't to use
[07:34] <jeramy> I've never used unsermake... come to think of it, I don't know what it is.  :)
[07:34] <jeramy> that's cool though.
[07:45] <uniq> yourghetek: elinks is a nice text based browser.
[07:45] <Tm_T> lynx o/
[07:46] <yourghetek> oooh
[07:48] <yourghetek> elinks rocks
[07:51] <_thomas> hello
[07:52] <_thomas> I'm searching for KEXI and KPLATO
[07:53] <yourghetek> is this correct syntax? "sudo slocate -u && slocate torsmorc| sudo nano -"
[08:01] <jeramy> _thomas: Chances are you don't have Kexi.  I was looking for it 5 minutes before you came on...
[08:01] <othernoob> hi, im having problems printing a pdf (20 pages) with my laser printer, which worked fine before and has printed about 700 pages so far.
[08:32] <CyberTF> i have a question
[08:33] <CyberTF> when doing an upgrade to KDE from the apt source listed in the topic, i get the following notice WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[08:33] <CyberTF> and it lists all of the kde packages to be upgraded
[08:34] <CyberTF> should i go aheaad and do it or is there a way to authenticate these upgrades?
[08:36] <uniq> go ahead and do it.
[08:36] <uniq> there is no way to authenticate them at this time.
[08:37] <CyberTF> can it be undone if something bad happens?
[08:37] <uniq> sure.
[08:37] <CyberTF> how? never had to roll back a upgrade before
[08:37] <uniq> just poke me or someone else in here.. and you'll get help to do that.
[08:38] <CyberTF> ok
[08:38] <CyberTF> thanks
[08:40] <giorgio> hi
[08:54] <philipacamaniac> Who wishes a certain unnamed KDE developer would finish QT/Firefox? I know I do.
[08:55] <uniq> konqueror rocks.
[08:55] <Skaag> konqueror on the rocks.
[08:55] <philipacamaniac> I dig konqueror integration
[08:56] <philipacamaniac> I do not dig kjs(spell?) issues like Gmail
[08:56] <mrmanic> I want konquerer to be rock solid stable
[08:57] <philipacamaniac> yeah - no random crashes please, when I click on an NPR Audio stream
[08:58] <mrmanic> it's not exactly random
[08:58] <philipacamaniac> I suppose *everytime* and *random* aren't synonymous
[08:58] <philipacamaniac> :)
[08:58] <mrmanic> pretty much any time I close konqi while I have an html page with embedded video it crashes.
[08:59] <mrmanic> konqi and kopete are currently my least stable apps
[08:59] <philipacamaniac> same here, although I will say it isn't as bad as complained about on the forums
[09:00] <mrmanic> one of these days I'm going to take a week off and figure out qt and C++ and start fixing bugs in kopete.
[09:01] <philipacamaniac> I, on the other hand, will do the same, but try to create a lightweight KDE browser, with Gecko and KHTML engine support
[09:01] <philipacamaniac> very ambitious, but very wanted
[09:03] <philipacamaniac> hmm, I wonder what I'll call it
[09:04] <mrmanic> kozilla kirekox?
[09:04] <mrmanic> firefoks?
[09:04] <monchy> i don't know if you want kox in the name lol
[09:04] <mrmanic> er, firefoKs?
[09:04] <philipacamaniac> rofl
[09:05] <philipacamaniac> firefoKs is pretty cool
[09:05] <mrmanic> gecKonqi?
[09:05] <philipacamaniac> now that's just silly
[09:05] <philipacamaniac> ;)
[09:05] <mrmanic> agreed
[09:06] <mrmanic> konqi-lite?
[09:06] <philipacamaniac> yeah. but imagine, a browser that excepts netscape and mozilla plugins, Firefox extensions, but is integrated into all of KDE (bookmarks, etc.)
[09:06] <mrmanic> that would be nice.
[09:06] <monchy> sounds like alot of work lol
[09:07] <philipacamaniac> well, the mozilla plugin part is done, but the Firefox extensions might be tricky
[09:07] <mrmanic> I'm a big fan of integration.
[09:07] <monchy> as long as i have my ad-block i'll be happy
[09:07] <philipacamaniac> that's in Konqueror SVN (maybe only trunk?)
[09:09] <philipacamaniac> what comes after a conqueror?
[09:09] <philipacamaniac> (as in, the navigator, the explorer, the konqueror)
[09:10] <CyberTF> well upgrade seemed to go well
[09:11] <mrmanic> philipacamaniac: korruption?
[09:12] <philipacamaniac> LOL
[09:12] <mrmanic> ;)
[09:12] <philipacamaniac> I don't think my browser would get very popular
[09:12] <mrmanic> haha
[09:12] <philipacamaniac> although, it might...
[09:12] <mrmanic> might get popular in the 1337 haX0r crowd
[09:12] <philipacamaniac> don't they use lynx?
[09:12] <philipacamaniac> j/k
[09:13] <CyberTF> what browser. i'm up for trying something new
[09:13] <philipacamaniac> just an idea, sorry
[09:13] <mrmanic> CyberTF: it's the one in philipacamaniac's head
[09:13] <dan> where can I get the macromedia flashplayer for kubuntu?
[09:13] <philipacamaniac> the one where Firefox and Konqueror are united as one in a happy marriage
[09:14] <dan> right, what is the name of the pacakge I have to get?
[09:14] <philipacamaniac> dan: flashplayer-mozilla, and my other comment was about something else
[09:14] <philipacamaniac> :)
[09:14] <dan> :-)
[09:14] <dan> aehm, do I need a special source?
[09:14] <philipacamaniac> restricted must be enabled
[09:14] <uniq> flashplugin-nonfree works.
[09:15] <dan> where do I get this?
[09:15] <dan> its not in the kynaptics list
[09:15] <CyberTF> phillipacamaniac: sounds interesting
[09:16] <mrmanic> dan: you probably have to change your /etc/apt/sources.list to include the nonfree stuff.
[09:16] <dan> ah, I see
[09:16] <uniq> dan: http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#swmgmt
[09:16] <philipacamaniac> dan: look here http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories and find the lines where the word "restricted" is used
[09:16] <philipacamaniac> dan: n/m do what uniq said
[09:17] <dan> thanksthanks
[09:17] <philipacamaniac> uniq: I feel like a bad person, always jumping to the ubuntuguide, rather than Kudos ;)
[09:17] <uniq> philipacamaniac: ubuntuguide is nice too.
[09:18] <uniq> but flashplayer-mozilla isn't in restricted.
[09:18] <uniq> it's in multiverse.
[09:18] <philipacamaniac> hmm, that's what I meant to say. dyslexia?
[09:18] <philipacamaniac> http://packages.ubuntu.com/hoary/web/flashplayer-mozilla
[09:18] <uniq> dan: did you get that? flashplayer-mozilla isn't in the restricted repository.. it's in the one named multiverse.
[09:18] <CyberTF> dan: are you using apt from command line or some package manager?
[09:19] <liz4rd> LOL http://irclikelife.com/
[09:23] <Howitzer> How can i set it up so, that at startup, the X server doesn't start automaticly, but that i have to login first and do Startx
[09:24] <uniq> 'sudo update-rc.d -f kdm remove' in a console.
[09:24] <Howitzer> but
[09:24] <Howitzer> if i do startx
[09:25] <Howitzer> it will go to the KDM right?
[09:25] <kalenedrael> it should
[09:25] <Howitzer> okay
[09:26] <Howitzer> +
[09:26] <uniq> no.
[09:26] <philipacamaniac> no
[09:26] <uniq> it wont.
[09:26] <Howitzer> wha
[09:26] <Howitzer> ?
[09:26] <uniq> it'll start the desktop environment directly.
[09:26] <uniq> whatever you specify in ~/.xinitrc
[09:26] <Howitzer> i need to be able to choose which desktop i'll be using
[09:26] <uniq> or the default.
[09:26] <philipacamaniac> in the textmode runlevel, you login on the command line
[09:27] <uniq> you can choose in ~/.xinitrc
[09:27] <uniq> if you put 'exec startkde' in ~/.xinitrc you'll start kde.
[09:27] <Howitzer> wth
[09:27] <Howitzer> i don't have xinitrc
[09:27] <uniq> make it.
[09:27] <uniq> ~/.xinitrc
[09:28] <uniq> echo 'exec startkde' > ~/.xinitrc
[09:28] <Howitzer> okay
[09:29] <Howitzer> but if i'd like to use Fluxbox
[09:29] <Howitzer> how do i do that?
[09:29] <uniq> put 'exec fluxbox' into ~/.xinitrc
[09:29] <Howitzer> okay
[09:29] <Howitzer> ehh
[09:29] <Howitzer> i'll forget about this all then :/
[09:30] <slicslak> i just upgraded synaptic on my parents ubuntu machine.....  couldn't run something afterwards, so i logged out, couldn't log in so i rebooted.  no kernel on boot!  crazy.....
[09:31] <Howitzer> Oo
[09:31] <philipacamaniac> kubuntu or ubuntu? cause you're in #kubuntu
[09:31] <slicslak> philipacamaniac, wm doesn't make a diff in this case.  i'm just here cause i like kde and this room is a lot queter.  :-)
[09:32] <philipacamaniac> well, you mentioned synaptic... ;)
[09:32] <slicslak> it was the older ubuntu anyway, i'm not looking for help, just commenting.  i'm backing up the home dir with knoppix right now, and i'll do a reinstall w/ the new ubuntu later.  
[09:32] <philipacamaniac> ahh
[09:32] <uniq> slicslak: you didn't upgrade to breezy did you?
[09:32] <philipacamaniac> heh
[09:32] <uniq> strangeness with the kernel stuff.
[09:32] <slicslak> uniq, not sure.  i just typed apt-get upgrade synaptic
[09:33] <uniq> shouldn't die like that then.
[09:33] <slicslak> your telling me.  also strangness that X wouldn't start after the upgrade too.
[09:33] <uniq> sounds very strange.
[09:33] <uniq> it's hard to say what broke without error messages though.
[09:34] <uniq> i'd suggest a re-install if you're able to backup /home
[09:35] <slicslak> uniq, that's what i'm doing. knoppix plus external hd saves the day again.  :-)
[09:35] <uniq> slicslak: thank god for knoppix.
[09:35] <uniq> that reminds me.. i'll have to burn a livecd for my ibook.
[09:35] <philipacamaniac> has anyone tried knoppix 4.0 dvd?
[09:36] <philipacamaniac> it was just released to the wild (bittorrent) like yesterday
[09:36] <gdh> omg 0day war3z t3kn1q  :)
[09:37] <philipacamaniac> hmm, it is sad that I understood that
[09:38] <gdh> hehe :)
[09:38] <mrmanic> me2
[09:38] <mrmanic> :\
[09:38] <gdh> 1337 is a horrible disease that touches most IRC users to a greater or lesser extene..
[09:38] <gdh> t
[09:38] <mrmanic> I read up on 1337 on microsoft's site
[09:39] <philipacamaniac> serious?
[09:39] <mrmanic> http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/children/kidtalk.mspx
[09:39] <mrmanic> I'm serious that it's out there, not serious that that's where I got my info
[09:39] <gdh> wow! :D
[09:39] <philipacamaniac> ROFL LOL LMAO
[09:40] <mrmanic> 1m40
[09:40] <gdh> "Talk 1337 with Uncle Billy" :D
[09:40] <liz4rd> whats the package called for all the windows fonts?
[09:40] <gdh> that's just fantastic =)
[09:40] <gdh> liz4rd: msttcorefonts
[09:40] <liz4rd> thx
[09:41] <philipacamaniac> "Now, Bobby, I don't want you pwning anyone today!"
[09:41] <gdh> yes :)))
[09:42] <liz4rd> how do you install your own fronts? 1 by one
[09:43] <philipacamaniac> KDE Control Center
[09:43] <liz4rd> mmm once i put it in there will it use them no matter what the WM?
[09:44] <dan> I have another question :-)
[09:44] <philipacamaniac> liz4rd: correct
[09:44] <dan> where can I get the win32 multimedia codecs from?
[09:44] <dan> and libdvdcss2?
[09:44] <gdh> marillat - w32codecs
[09:44] <gdh> marillat for all that multimedia stuff
[09:45] <liz4rd> philipacamaniac: whell i'm in xfce4 whats the control center like called? if i were to run that command
[09:45] <dan> where is marillat?
[09:45] <gdh> deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat stable main
[09:45] <dan> thanks
[09:45] <gdh> also testing + unstable - add them all 
[09:45] <philipacamaniac> liz4rd: err, kcontrol
[09:45] <liz4rd> lol thx
[09:46] <philipacamaniac> who digs the new Crystal Clear icon theme? http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25668
[09:46] <liz4rd> Not found.
[09:47] <liz4rd> ah there it is
[09:47] <gdh> philipacamaniac: Another shameless Mac ripoff? great.
[09:47] <monchy> looks good
[09:47] <liz4rd> wow really good!!!
[09:47] <uniq> dan: http://ubuntuguide.org/#dvdplayback and http://ubuntuguide.org/#codecs - the whole guide is recommended reading.
[09:47] <gdh> trying to look like a mac is worse than actually owning a mac :)
[09:47] <liz4rd> LOL!!!
[09:47] <monchy> you should preach to the people at aqua-soft
[09:47] <uniq> I own a mac and i'm proud of it.
[09:48] <dan> uniq: yep, I read extrarepositories, but it has links to old URLs
[09:48] <philipacamaniac> I don't think they look all that mac-like
[09:48] <uniq> dan: ok.. i didn't know that.
[09:48] <philipacamaniac> but I may be in denial
[09:48] <liz4rd> philipacamaniac: you use gimp?
[09:49] <uniq> liz4rd: my mac is 100% kubuntu.
[09:49] <philipacamaniac> yes, well recently I've been using gimpshop
[09:49] <dan> gdh: the deb entry you gave me above goes to souorces.list?
[09:49] <liz4rd> uniq: NICE
[09:49] <gdh> dan: yes.
[09:49] <dan> gdh: mhh, this did not work
[09:49] <liz4rd> philipacamaniac: !!!mind helping me install that?
[09:49] <dan> apt told me it could not stat
[09:49] <philipacamaniac> liz4rd: gimpshop?
[09:49] <gdh> dan: and you apt-get update  .. ?
[09:49] <liz4rd> yes
[09:50] <dan> nope ;-)
[09:50] <philipacamaniac> liz4rd: you have to compile it, but it is fairly painless
[09:50] <gdh> =)
[09:50] <liz4rd>  philipacamaniac: where do i get it from? how how will i have to enable it?
[09:51] <liz4rd> cuzi  was hardcore photoshop on windows...i miss the design days
[09:51] <philipacamaniac> liz4rd: first grab the source: http://www.plasticbugs.com/blogimg/GIMPshop-source-2.2.4.tbz
[09:51] <liz4rd> what version of gimp do i need?
[09:52] <philipacamaniac> Oh, sorry. you misunderstood: you don't need gimp, because you will be recompiling gimp from scratch.
[09:52] <philipacamaniac> still game?
[09:52] <liz4rd> yeah
[09:52] <liz4rd> its downwloaded
[09:52] <liz4rd> now what
[09:53] <liz4rd> wait wanna open a new wndow for me?
[09:53] <philipacamaniac> ? hold on
[09:54] <philipacamaniac> I followed this howto http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40427 and it worked perfectly for me
[09:54] <liz4rd> thx
[09:56] <liz4rd> philipacamaniac: http://evasivx.bioviral.net <-- thast what i did on windows
[09:56] <philipacamaniac> you designed that?
[09:56] <liz4rd> yes
[09:56] <liz4rd> every part of it
[09:56] <kkathman> It works pretty sweet, but you have alot of work to do to get it all compiled and get the dependencies, plus you have to be very careful when updates come out for gimp.
[09:56] <philipacamaniac> very nice
[09:56] <liz4rd> thanks
[09:56] <liz4rd> i love your webdesign better :P
[09:56] <philipacamaniac> the howto addresses the dependencies
[09:57] <kakalto> morning
[09:57] <kkathman> just have to remember not to update gimp
[09:57] <kkathman> hello kakalto :)
[09:57] <kakalto> heya
[09:57] <philipacamaniac> liz4rd: whose webdesign?
[09:57] <liz4rd> philipacamaniac: yours
[09:58] <liz4rd> and i wish i could make icons 
[09:58] <philipacamaniac> at my blog? that mostly just the wordpress default theme, with a designed header
[09:58] <liz4rd> lol meh
[09:58] <liz4rd> how long does it take you to make an icon set?
[09:59] <philipacamaniac> wait, wait, are talking about the Crystal Clear theme I announced... because that wasn't me. OH GOD I wish it was. but sadly, no.
[09:59] <philipacamaniac> :(
[09:59] <philipacamaniac> OTOH, i do make icons. *sheepishly smiles*
[09:59] <liz4rd> philipacamaniac: LMFAO i thought it was yours
[10:00] <philipacamaniac> meh, I could've played it off as that... nah probably not
[10:00] <philipacamaniac> everaldo is an amazing artist
[10:00] <liz4rd> yeah
[10:01] <philipacamaniac> for the record, you wouldn't do a lot of icon work in gimp, you'd use inkscape
[10:01] <liz4rd> oh ok
[10:01] <philipacamaniac> svg is the preferred format
[10:01] <philipacamaniac> (and then png for legacy)
[10:01] <liz4rd> i like png
[10:02] <philipacamaniac> think of svg as sort of a psd of a png
[10:02] <philipacamaniac> hmm, did that make any sense?
[10:02] <liz4rd> yup
[10:02] <liz4rd> i understand
[10:02] <philipacamaniac> that's what makes it good.
[10:03] <philipacamaniac> source-editable
[10:06] <liz4rd> philipacamaniac:if i have libpng12-0 installed do i get the libpng12-dev?
[10:06] <philipacamaniac> yes... and try to follow the howto version numbers exactly
[10:07] <liz4rd> oh...well my versions are a bit higher
[10:07] <philipacamaniac> doesn't it say "at least version"
[10:07] <liz4rd> yeah
[10:08] <philipacamaniac> so you be fine
[10:11] <liz4rd> when i asks to premove libgimp it wants to remove gimp gimp-python and xsane? do i mark those for uninstalation aswell?
[10:12] <philipacamaniac> hold on
[10:12] <liz4rd> alright
[10:12] <philipacamaniac> are you removing libgimp2.0 ?
[10:13] <liz4rd> yes
[10:13] <liz4rd> do i remove or remove completely
[10:13] <liz4rd> (synaptic)
[10:13] <philipacamaniac> just remove (it doesn't delete the package from your cache)
[10:14] <philipacamaniac> I didn't have xsane, because I use kooka in kde
[10:14] <liz4rd> o ok
[10:14] <philipacamaniac> (I think that's the name)
[10:15] <liz4rd> it is
[10:15] <philipacamaniac> do you even have a scanner?
[10:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> liz4rd is there a way to fix that stupid font file in mplayer?
[10:16] <liz4rd> no clue
[10:16] <liz4rd> sorry
[10:16] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> damn
[10:17] <uniq> church_of_foamy: what's the problem with the fontfile? 
[10:17] <philipacamaniac> liz4rd: the actual compile took about 40 minutes or so on an Athlon 1600
[10:17] <philipacamaniac> maybe less
[10:17] <liz4rd> ouch
[10:17] <philipacamaniac> way less than openoffice or kde
[10:18] <liz4rd> i'm gonna be here for along time
[10:18] <philipacamaniac> just set it in a console and forget about it
[10:18] <philipacamaniac> :0)
[10:18] <liz4rd> gonna do that
[10:19] <apokryphos> ztonzy: ping
[10:19] <ztonzy> apokryphos, :)
[10:19] <ztonzy> hey
[10:19] <apokryphos> Hi, how's it going? 
[10:20] <apokryphos> Been away because of exams
[10:20] <ztonzy> aah
[10:20] <apokryphos> (thank the Lord they're over)
[10:20] <ztonzy> well, I am back in gnome :)
[10:20] <liz4rd> when i do tar -jxf GIMPshop-source-2.*.tbz it just hangs...
[10:20] <apokryphos> ztonzy: what are you doing there? ;-)
[10:21] <liz4rd> ^_^
[10:21] <apokryphos> (admittedly, I went on gnome the other day; I like what ubuntu have done with it)
[10:21] <kakalto> I wish I could do that
[10:21] <ztonzy> apokryphos, I got tired of some glitches and some too fancy stuff ;P
[10:21] <apokryphos> philipacamaniac: at least the Maths one didn't hit you there; it's pretty heavy
[10:21] <philipacamaniac> lol
[10:22] <liz4rd> when i do tar -jxf GIMPshop-source-2.*.tbz it just hangs...
[10:22] <apokryphos> 3.4.1 isn't looking too bad now after kdelibs-data package issue is ostensibly resolved
[10:22] <liz4rd> nvm
[10:22] <apokryphos> ztonzy: pay attention to the clock..tick..tock... repeat after me: KDE is ze best, KDE is ze best
[10:23] <ztonzy> O_o
[10:23] <ztonzy> apokryphos, maybe I install it again...sometime
[10:23] <apokryphos> ;-)
[10:23] <monchy> 3.5 you will
[10:24] <apokryphos> one or two nice new styles/decorations/themes on kdelook since I'd been gone. Nice stuff -- Kopete styles really taking off
[10:24] <liz4rd> monchy is a penis ^_^
[10:24] <monchy> your the one who sucks on them lol
[10:24] <liz4rd> good one
[10:24] <ztonzy> apokryphos, though one thing is strange...just recently 'gedit' dissapeared from my menu....
[10:24] <monchy> not my best, but calling someone a penis is so 3rd grade
[10:25] <liz4rd> monchy: i just learned what a penis was in 4th?
[10:25] <apokryphos> ztonzy: that sounds like a good thing :P
[10:25] <ztonzy> apokryphos, haha
[10:25] <apokryphos> ah, which reminds me. Must get amaroK svn -- new features in 1.3
[10:25] <ztonzy> apokryphos, well...in KDE....when opening a folder, konqueror showed/s  two instances...if reloaded...it dissapears...how fun is that :P ?
[10:25] <apokryphos> a wiki apparently
[10:26] <apokryphos> ztonzy: that was a known bug, wasn't it? It was on bugzilla, let me check out the site a sec..
[10:26] <ztonzy> apokryphos, ok
[10:26] <philipacamaniac> apokryphos: not a wiki, a page with hooks to wikipedia.org
[10:27] <apokryphos> philipacamaniac: that's what I meant, sorry. Though they do have their wiki
[10:27] <philipacamaniac> yes, if it would only work j/k
[10:28] <apokryphos> philipacamaniac: saw something about that somewhere.. what happened? 
[10:28] <apokryphos> works fine for me here
[10:28] <philipacamaniac> sure, it works now...
[10:28] <uniq> liz4rd: hey.. you out talking about genitals and sex again? - we did talk about this alright. take a look at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct and try to follow it :)
[10:28] <philipacamaniac> they moved servers, then didn't report the dns change to the KDE higher ups
[10:28] <apokryphos> heh
[10:29] <liz4rd> uniq: sorry mr uniq, i'll try not to do it agian, monchy started it
[10:29] <apokryphos> surely it only takes around max 24 hours for DNS to resolve though?
[10:29] <uniq> liz4rd: good. just be nice. :)
[10:29] <monchy> how did i start it you down syndrome retard
[10:29] <liz4rd> monchy: LOL
[10:30] <philipacamaniac> apokryphos: not when trolltech employees (who run the server) dont make the change
[10:30] <uniq> monchy: you too.. be nice.
[10:30] <philipacamaniac> it was a blame-game all around, but ended up as a 2-week blackout on the site
[10:30] <monchy> only speaking the truth
[10:30] <liz4rd> ^_^
[10:30] <kalenedrael> what the hell is the deal with the colors?
[10:31] <philipacamaniac> the colors?
[10:31] <apokryphos> philipacamaniac: Woah. That is some serious downtime. I had a problem with a silly domain registrar who wanted to control everything, which made it take ages to change DNS, but not even near a week, then
[10:31] <philipacamaniac> yeah I always see no less than 48 hour turnaround
[10:32] <philipacamaniac> are there screenies of amaroK 1.3 beta?
[10:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> all i have to say is google rocks not only did i find the fonts for mplayer
[10:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i was able to get vlc in one fell swoop
[10:32] <apokryphos> .com/.org are normally very fast, too
[10:33] <philipacamaniac> nevermind, found the screenies
[10:36] <apokryphos> anyone else here using the "Pure" Kopete style? Very nice
[10:37] <uniq> hmm.. pure.. i'll have to try that.
[10:37] <apokryphos> uniq: highest rated one, currently, on kdelook. Clean.
[10:38] <uniq> already downloaded :)
[10:38] <uniq> i already have it.. maybe it's the one i'm using.. 
[10:38] <apokryphos> the normal Pure gives me bugs, though; author suggests kopete svn is needed for it
[10:39] <apokryphos> the Pure Single works fine though
[10:39] <uniq> heh.. already using it actually :)
[10:39] <liz4rd> lol
[10:39] <apokryphos> ;)
[10:40] <linex> hello
[10:40] <liz4rd> hey
[10:40] <uniq> hi.
[10:41] <linex> I love how Kubuntu automatically mount my usb drive and places an icon on my desktop. How does Kubuntu do this ? It uses hal ?
[10:41] <apokryphos> :P
[10:42] <philipacamaniac> hal and dbus, and the linux 2.6 kernel are the magic behind that
[10:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> kopete is nice with it's default settings
[10:43] <linex> philipacamaniac: I read somewhere that it uses gnome-volume-manager . Is that true ?
[10:43] <jeramy> I'm not sure that KDE uses dbus.
[10:43] <philipacamaniac> hmm, I think it uses dbus-qt, if I'm not mistaken
[10:44] <apokryphos> ChurcH_of_FoamY: eek, no way. With all the "Message to/from" etc. and the primary colours colour-scheme?
[10:45] <philipacamaniac> yes, after googling, I see that both dbus and hal are responsible for the media:/ magic
[10:46] <linex> philipacamaniac : where do you read this ?
[10:46] <philipacamaniac> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DBUS
[10:47] <philipacamaniac> this was done in Kubuntu. look at the running services
[10:49] <apokryphos> anyone have any idea what happened with moving away from bugzilla?
[10:49] <philipacamaniac> didn't know that was in the works. were they going to move to malone?
[10:49] <philipacamaniac> because malone is a pile of dirt (and I'm being respectful)
[10:50] <apokryphos> philipacamaniac: trying to remember what it was. I believe MOTU were going to use it first as a trial
[10:50] <apokryphos> that was a few months ago though; no idea what's happened since
[10:51] <philipacamaniac> well, right now MOTU seems to be worried about an upcoming feature freeze (july, I think?)
[10:51] <philipacamaniac> for breezy
[10:51] <apokryphos> aha, https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/distros/ubuntu/+bugs
[10:51] <philipacamaniac> no, August 11
[10:52] <philipacamaniac> that can't be for real!
[10:52] <philipacamaniac> is it mirroring bugzilla, or is buzilla down
[10:53] <apokryphos> I have no idea of anything; just seeing this now
[10:54] <philipacamaniac> it doesn't seem to have the same bugs as bugzilla.ubuntu.com
[10:54] <philipacamaniac> and now you can see that malone is bleh
[10:55] <apokryphos> I've never used it. I generally don't like bugzilla though...
[10:55] <philipacamaniac> explore malone a bit, and you'll discover it lacks many of the features of bugzilla
[10:56] <apokryphos> Seems an awful lot faster so far
[10:57] <philipacamaniac> one thing that bugs (no pun intended) me is that the right sidebar is WAY off the screen.
[10:57] <apokryphos> less feature-filled, no doubt
[10:58] <apokryphos> philipacamaniac: not for huge monitors ;)
[10:58] <apokryphos> making my window smaller it seems to get squashed, but not nearly way out..
[11:00] <philipacamaniac> "not for huge monitors" hmm, they didn't their CSS quite right
[11:00] <apokryphos> ok, program on that I'm addicted to. Be back later
[11:00] <philipacamaniac> alright
[11:00] <philipacamaniac> I'm out too. adios
[11:01] <apokryphos> yikes -- don't view that page in konqueror
[11:06] <gsuveg> re
[11:09] <mpupu> is there any way i can get konqueror to show me something more useful than "free space" as a disk label in media:/?
[11:12] <nmorse> Free Space?
[11:12] <nmorse> All mine are labeled by size and whether or not they're mounted
[11:13] <nmorse> I'm liking this latest Konversation release thanks to the fact that it displays people who are away as grayed out
[11:15] <gsuveg> now can i install kexi ?
[11:15] <nmorse> Beats me, I can't even get the koffice from the topic
[11:15] <nmorse> I'd really like to as well, since I really like Krita (beats everything I've ever seen in UI)
[11:16] <nmorse> It's like a sanitized Photoshop, easy to work with
[11:16] <nmorse> Without a million floating seperate windows
[11:18] <nmorse> Oh, good, it looks like it's actually going to work today
[11:19] <nmorse> I'm just glad I didn't have to compile it all again, like I did with Beta 1
[11:19] <nmorse> Huh, kexi doesn't appear to be in the Kubuntu packages for Koffice stuff
[11:19] <nmorse> And apt-cache just finds a dadgum EXIF library
[11:22] <mpupu> nmorse: you were right, it's free space
[11:23] <mpupu> it's not very informative either way
[11:23] <nmorse> Not really informative, no
[11:23] <nmorse> But if you want detailed volume info there are other KDE programs to show that
[11:24] <mpupu> agreed, but maybe they could just show things like "/mnt/hda1"
[11:24] <mpupu> less user-friendly, maybe
[11:24] <nmorse> Actually, they're listed by that in order
[11:24] <nmorse> The first one on the left is MBR
[11:24] <mpupu> and put the size in the status bar
[11:24] <nmorse> Then it moves to hda1, etc.
[11:25] <nmorse> Yeah, a reworked sidebar would be even better
[11:25] <mpupu> for me, the first one is hda3, an extended partition
[11:26] <mpupu> then i have hda1, hda5(swap) and hda4 (/)
[11:26] <nmorse> Odd
[11:27] <mpupu> there is also one thing i don't know if I should report as a bug
[11:27] <nmorse> I'm just wondering why the topic still has the KOffice 1.4 link up if it doesn't work for the repos
[11:27] <nmorse> Neither repo mind you, including the download.kde.org one
[11:27] <morten> aloha
[11:28] <morten> I would like to see some kind of steam from an internet page... but it tells me that "mms is not a registrated protokol"... what should i do
[11:28] <Riddell> nmorse: what doesn't work?
[11:28] <nmorse> Well, kexi isn't in the kubuntu.org repo, is it?
[11:29] <Riddell> nmorse: no
[11:29] <nmorse> And the Packages.gz can't be found on the kde.org one
[11:29] <nmorse> So, we have an incomplete office suite in one, and the other repo doesn't work
[11:29] <Riddell> nmorse: i386?
[11:29] <nmorse> Yeah
[11:30] <Riddell> nmorse: Packages.gz is definatly there, must be a bad mirror
[11:30] <Riddell> nmorse: but kubuntu.org has the Packages.gz?
[11:30] <nmorse> The kubuntu.org repo actually worked for me today
[11:30] <mpupu> if i install kubuntu-desktop in ubuntu, i think it would be better if the kde menus show just kde apps
[11:31] <mpupu> isn't ubuntu philosophy to have one app for each task?
[11:31] <nmorse> They have to use the freedesktop.org desktop files for that
[11:31] <nmorse> Desktop unification in diversity or something like that
[11:31] <Riddell> mpupu: then ask gnome to add OnlyShowIn=GNOME to their files :)
[11:31] <Riddell> nmorse: kexi is packaged separately because they make more up to date separate released
[11:31] <Riddell> releases
[11:31] <nmorse> But it's not in any of the repos but the download.kde.org one, correct?
[11:32] <nmorse> And the one listed in the link in the topic doesn't work
[11:32] <nmorse> I get a 302 error
[11:33] <nmorse> I still have the one I compiled from the KOffice 1.4 Beta 1, but I was hoping to get one that didn't crash when you just hit create
[11:33] <nmorse> As in that button shouldn't be usable until you complete the wizard
[11:34] <nmorse> You have a repo that has Kexi in it?
[11:39] <nmorse> There we go
[11:39] <nmorse> Used a KDE mirror's URL directly
[11:41] <nmorse> Crud, still no Kexi package
[11:41] <Riddell> nmorse: I'm not planning to make hoary packages of kexi, and the breezy one is stuck on some build-dep
[11:44] <nmorse> Hmm
[11:48] <apokryphos> Riddell: was the progress on the move from bugzilla then? Are they going over to malone?
[11:48] <Riddell> apokryphos: yes but I don't know the timetable
[11:48] <dan_> how can I reset apt-get?
[11:48] <Riddell> apokryphos: launchpad 1.0 will probably happen in the next month or two so I guess any time after that
[11:48] <Riddell> dan_: reset to what?
[11:49] <dan_> I just tried to isntall something and it cannot be installed
[11:49] <apokryphos> Riddell: is malone better, do you think?
[11:49] <dan_> but it is still in the buffer to be installed
[11:49] <apokryphos> dan_: error in the package? Maybe apt-get -f install by itself
[11:49] <Riddell> apokryphos: well, that remains to be seen :)
[11:49] <dan_> and I need to remove it from there
[11:50] <dan_> yeah that gets me somewhere but it will remove a package I do not want to be removed
[11:50] <nmorse> What are the packages?
[11:51] <dan_> wlassistent
[11:51] <dan_> so I removed it
[11:51] <dan_> and it resovled the problem
[11:51] <dan_> now I just have to reinstall it
[11:51] <dan_> I hope I find it again
[11:52] <apokryphos> dan_: why did it fail? Broken package?
[11:52] <apokryphos> and, did you get that from apt?
[11:53] <dan_> yeah
[11:53] <dan_> but now I try to reinstall wlassistant and it does not work
[11:53] <dan_> I get:
[11:53] <apokryphos> dan_: I don't see that package in the repos... 
[11:54] <dan_> Package wlassistant is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[11:54] <dan_> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[11:54] <dan_> is only available from another source
[11:54] <apokryphos> Yeah, it's no longer in the repos, it seems
[11:54] <dan_> :-(
[11:54] <dan_> and the new version from their website has dependencies on newer versions of other libs
[11:55] <apokryphos> what exactly is it?
[11:55] <apokryphos> Google gives no search results
[11:56] <dan_> it is a very, very nice KDE-based wireless setup assistent
[11:56] <dan_> http://wlassistant.sourceforge.net/
[11:56] <apokryphos> wlassist[a] nt ;-)
[11:57] <ztonzy> apokryphos, got kde headers error
[11:57] <apokryphos> ztonzy: ah, go for kde-devel
[11:58] <dan_> ooops, sorry ;-)
[11:58] <ztonzy> 63.2MB  :-\
[11:58] <apokryphos> ztonzy: yup, it's all the kde headers. I'm sure that's nothing with your Internet speed :P
[11:58] <ztonzy> no
[11:59] <ztonzy> already downloaded...installing
[11:59] <ztonzy> .)
[11:59] <apokryphos> hehe
[11:59] <ztonzy> quite fast
[11:59] <ztonzy> ~ 888+kB/s
[11:59] <apokryphos> dan_: yup, it looks like you'll need to update those other packages
[12:00] <ztonzy> hmm
[12:00] <apokryphos> ztonzy: my speed should be something like that in the next few days, hopefully. Free upgrade to 8 meg
[12:00] <ztonzy> does Konqueror have a smooth-scroll option as Firefox have ?
[12:00] <ztonzy> apokryphos, sweet
[12:00] <apokryphos> It's very smooth for me, yeah.
[12:00] <Riddell> ztonzy: shift+down
[12:00] <ztonzy> apokryphos, I am thinking of swapping ISP since usage of one year now :)
[12:00] <apokryphos> Though I'm a quasi-convert to Opera now; it's nice.
[12:01] <ztonzy> will then get 24/1 :)
[12:01] <dan_> apokryphos: darn, I hope this works out; how can I best update?
[12:01] <nmorse> Crud, I'm still at 1.5/386
[12:01] <ztonzy> Riddell, but with mousewheel ?
[12:01] <apokryphos> ztonzy: how come? Current one not good?
[12:01] <nmorse> and paying $60 a month for it