[12:01] I've some bug set as upstream not forwarded though [12:02] to me, the point of marking something as upstream is that the upstream has been notified [12:02] ie: for bugs that are know by upstream even if there is no special bugzilla bug for them [12:03] yeah, but upstream know stuff out of bugzilla [12:03] true [12:03] discussed on the list, on IRC, etc [12:03] but the advantage of filing a bug is that then non-developers can track what is happening [12:03] that is, after all, what a bug tracker is also for === trulux_ghost [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:05] what is the point to open bugs like https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/1115 ? [12:06] bugzilla.ubuntu.com already has this bug [12:06] kiko-afk Burgundavia, sounds like a plan [12:06] hum, k, that's an universe bug === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.2.202] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] seb128, I am trying to make your life easier, not harder [12:08] you should open upstream bugs upstream so :) [12:08] so I don't have to argue for ages about details with them [12:09] most of your bugs are small details, need to be discussed and I don't agree with half of them [12:09] the devil is in the details [12:10] seb128, I learned a long time ago that we don't agree on a great many points [12:10] I filed a malone bug about this === TMM [~hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] I have a comment on this. [12:10] The comment is that malone doesn't /need/ an upstream resolution [12:10] or is that one of those :"if you want it, implement it" things? [12:10] why? [12:10] true [12:10] hmm [12:10] because it has bugwatches [12:10] any bug /can/ be upstream [12:10] hey, just out of curiousity, any chance for a reiser4 install option with breezy? [12:10] kiko-afk: do you know why, whyyyy, I have to login to malone every single time I start my browser ? [12:10] sorry, my copy/paste skills really suck :) [12:11] so you link a task to an upstream bug, and just look at the comments trickle in [12:11] and then the fix! [12:11] ok [12:11] TMM, if linux accepts it in the official kernel [12:11] .13 is supposed to [12:11] seb128, yes. it's using a session cookie, not a persistent cookie. if you file a bug I have more firepower to change it. [12:11] TMM, s/linux/linus [12:11] kiko-afk: do you know if that's already filled? [12:11] it's not, IIRC. [12:11] (so I can be lazy and not search for it) [12:11] thanks [12:12] also, I've changed some stuff in the laptop part of ubuntu, where do I go with patches and/or go for discussion? [12:12] I think it's useful, at least, it is on my hardware :) [12:12] TMM, ubuntu-devel mailing list [12:12] okidokie [12:12] high volume? [12:12] nope [12:12] good :) [12:13] kiko-afk: is https://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/bugs/676 about this? [12:13] isn't reiser4 already in mainline? [12:13] =/cl [12:13] TMM, no [12:13] ow... I thought it was [12:13] well, spank my ass and call me charly :) [12:14] it's not going to be accepted until it is in linus' tree? [12:14] there's other stuff in the ubuntu kernel that's not in linus' tree, right? === TheMuso [~luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:15] seb128, hmm, that's a terrible summary for it, but yes! [12:15] kiko-afk: should I put a "me too" on it? :) [12:15] YES! [12:19] TMM, yes..but reiserfs4 is still not to be included anytime soon [12:19] too bad [12:19] mdz, there are no global saved searches. [12:20] I tried it on a test machine, at the whole system felt a lot faster because of it [12:20] might be purly perception though [12:20] I expected it to be faster, so, I guess it's not a good benchmark [12:25] TMM, speed is not everything.... fast filesystems might loose data fast as well ;) (especially reiser) [12:25] yeah... I can remember the early days of reiser3... [12:26] a friend of mine always says :"reiser has great ideas, and is probably the smartest fs designer out there... don't touch his code with a ten foot pole until it's ver 1.5" [12:26] I guess there's truth in that :) [12:27] remove the dot in the version number and i'm with you [12:27] lol [12:27] elmo: can we get boo synced from unstable please? [12:27] reiser3 has been very stable for me since 2.4.15 or something [12:27] so he has still 11 to go, given we are at 4 [12:28] never had any data loss actually [12:28] which, in my book, is a good thing when it comes to filesystems :) [12:28] mdz, kiko-afk: do we have any "easyfix" bugzilla keyword? GNOME guys use that to show where people can contribute [12:28] hans also has some inter-personal communcation issues, from what I have read of his emails [12:28] seb128, that was originally in my proposal [12:29] what proposal? [12:29] Burgundavia: what classic geek doesnt? [12:29] (something similar at lleast) [12:29] seb128, bug day proposal [12:29] ie? [12:29] do you send that on a list? [12:29] yeah hans and linus seem to have a lot of 'issues' [12:29] wiki? [12:29] seb128, having an additional bug tag for community people [12:29] seb128, nope [12:30] hans always things he is right, and linus... well, kind of thinks the same way :) [12:30] that usually clashes [12:30] seb128, we could create one, I'm not against it. [12:30] I wonder if it's any better now [12:30] kiko-afk: I could use it for some bugs [12:30] let me see === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] kiko-afk: ie: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6371 [12:31] seb128, trivial or easyfix or helpwanted or lowhangingfruit? :) [12:31] kiko-afk: but that could be also a forwarded to bugzilla.gnome.org and handled here [12:31] seb128, true. [12:31] lowhangingfruit [12:31] :) [12:31] kiko-afk: helpwanted is something else ... just want to point a bug that could be easy to fix for a contributor and useful [12:32] <\sh> guys...don't talk about boobs when I want to go to bed [12:32] or strawberry-bugs ;) [12:32] seb128, do it or not? [12:33] kiko-afk: hum [12:33] <\sh> lowhangingfruit, strawberry-bugs..what else? bugslikecherries? [12:33] <\sh> off I go...good night gentlemen [12:34] kiko-afk: the issue is that I have some people sending random "this corner of the UI could be better", Burgundavia does that a lot, and that doesn't suit for upstream really and I've too many bug to handle to fix that myself [12:34] seb128, created easyfix. [12:34] kiko-afk: that's not good for upstream because I know this is going for stay ignored here for ages too and there is no really interest to flood upstream with that [12:34] thanks [12:35] seb128, we can tell people to fix here and then push upstream, perhaps. [12:35] I'll do that [12:35] atm I just ignore them [12:35] but that's not optimal [12:35] right. [12:36] I want to be able to use easyfix in bugdays too. [12:37] these bugs for me are "could be a good start for a contributor looking for an easy task to do" [12:37] so we can point the easyfix list on a bug days [12:39] seb128: libgtk2.0-dev should depend on libcairo1-dev (in those devel packages) [12:39] seb128: otherwise pkgconfig fails [12:39] Lathiat: these are non-official packages, but thanks [12:39] pango should b-d on it too [12:39] I don't want to bother rebuilding and scping here for that [12:40] seb128: yeh just letting you know for future [12:40] thanks [12:40] thought you might not have noticed if you had it installed anyway [12:42] whiprush: well, in this instance, the NM blog entry === TheMuso [~luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dr88dr88 [~gerrit@h174040.upc-h.chello.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:43] thom: oh, hey I found out why it's so flakey my X40. [12:43] updating the madwifi driver did the trick, works sweet now. [12:43] oh? rocking [12:44] i must get all the vpn stuff packaged [12:45] yeah whatever they shipped in Fc4 works nearly perfectly on the x40. [12:45] thom: shtoom is yours to? :-) [12:45] Nafallo: daf's [12:46] thom: ahh, oki. [12:46] thom: what kind of vpns does it support? (haven't tried it yet) [12:47] whiprush: currently only vpnc is used, which i think means cisco only [12:47] ah [12:47] (which is what redhat's vpn is ;-) ) [12:48] hehe [12:49] thom: what will we use in ubuntu? :-) [12:49] hopefully eventually it will do pptp, etc. etc. [12:50] what? there is no ubuntu vpn, since there are no offices to vpn into. when i said redhat's vpn, I literally mean "Red Hat, inc"'s VPN [12:51] ahha. any ideas what vpn-solutions we might expect for breezy main? :-) [12:52] that's what I meant ;-) [12:52] no idea if anyone is looking [12:52] whatabout openswan? [12:53] if we want to be compatible with win we want pptp I suppose... [12:55] the ubuntu kernel has pptp support built already. I just set one up a month or two ago. === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-96-128-246.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] that was almost painless [12:56] now to figure out why my fonts look like ass [12:57] Nafallo: nop, didn't notice for caire, but I've planned to fix such stuff before uploading to Debian/Ubuntu :) [12:58] ... and pptp is in main already. would be nice to have support in network-manager in breezy :-). [12:58] seb128: huh? :-) [12:59] s/caire/cairo/ [12:59] Nafallo: why "huh"? [01:00] seb128: what was that about? :-) [01:00] thought you might not have noticed if you had it installed anyway [01:01] Lathiat != Nafallo ;-) [01:01] Nafallo: s/Nafallo/Lathiat/ [01:01] :-) [01:01] Nafallo: I fixed you sj bug btw :p [01:01] s/you/your/ [01:02] seb128: I know. waiting for it to hit the archive :-) [01:02] seb128: if it works my plan was to tell you how bloody fast you are ;-) [01:02] heh i wish my unis cisco stuff worked with vpnc [01:02] seb128: and thanx in advance :-) [01:02] the offficial client stops all other traffic on all interfaces working, so breaks uml, bluetooth, vmware, etc [01:03] Lathiat: nop, didn't notice for caire, but I've planned to fix such stuff before uploading to Debian/Ubuntu :) [01:03] (with the right nickname this time) [01:03] s/caire/cairo/ [01:03] ok :) === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:07] Burgundavia: thanks for the bug cleanup and the upstream forwards [01:07] seb128, np [01:07] I will do some more tomorrow [01:10] Amaranth: do you have a smeg place for Debian GNOME 2.10/users ? [01:10] no [01:10] pyxdg needs python 2.4 [01:11] oh, I got a bug about this on the new pyxdg [01:11] sid is moving to python 2.4 soon, aren't they? [01:11] Amaranth: for what does it require it? [01:11] Amaranth: gcc4 first [01:11] is uses reversed() [01:12] err, it [01:12] Amaranth: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315091 [01:12] gcc4 before python 2.4? [01:12] Amaranth: the workaround is 2 lines [01:12] seb128: talk to the pyxdg author, not me :) [01:12] Amaranth: not an upstream issue [01:12] um [01:12] yes it is [01:12] why? [01:13] they require python2.4, good [01:13] we use 2.3, Debian's issue [01:13] we workaround it for Debian [01:13] your issue then :P [01:13] you handle pyxdg for debian, right? [01:13] right [01:13] and gnome-menus [01:13] do you require a patched gnome-menus? [01:13] no [01:14] wait, yes [01:14] 2.10.2 isn't out yet, is it? [01:14] that's a patch from the gnome-2-10 CVS ? [01:14] it's due today [01:14] either 2.10.2 or pull from the 2.10 branch in cvs [01:14] k, I'll ping markmc for a 2.10.2 and package that [01:15] fix pyxdg [01:15] then smeg is fine? [01:15] should be [01:15] cool [01:15] i don't have a machine with 2.3 on it but i don't think i used any 2.4 things [01:15] the menu editor is one of the favorite question from Debian users too [01:15] anyway Debian has python2.4 even if that's not the default [01:15] we can depends on it [01:16] sigh [01:16] ubuntu-forums still can post to the mailing list? [01:16] (ubuntu-devel,ml) [01:17] good question [01:17] cus i just saw a post from dlist@ubuntuforums.org [01:17] so probably yep [01:17] sigh [01:18] they can't start threads now [01:19] sigh [01:19] @freedesktop.org has been getting alot of spam lately [01:19] they used to be able to start threads? [01:19] *shudder* [01:19] to avahi,lathiat@,avahi-owner@, etc [01:20] if the issue gets too bad, the forum mods have said they will take it read-only [01:20] So, thats why this email was in reply to a 3 month old e-mail. :) [01:21] wow! [01:21] free music feels great to listen to :-) [01:22] theres some *really* good free music [01:22] i have a stack of it [01:22] I found Magnatune today *grin* [01:22] what genre? [01:22] purevolume.com has some good stuff too [01:22] ah magnatune is a site [01:22] hadnt seen thatone [01:23] everything except danceband and rap :-) [01:23] .com :-) === Nafallo heads to purevolume [01:24] nice, 160K/s off that site. :) [01:24] mp3 in 30 seconds! :) [01:24] hey this sounds like good hacking music [01:24] I love that they let you decide the price and stuff :-) [01:25] and format to download, and, and, and ;-) [01:25] hrm [01:25] my root theme won't change [01:26] ubuntu:~/Desktop/Music> for i in `cat ../Alchemy-http.m3u`; do wget $i; done [01:26] :) [01:27] they eve have shuffle playlists, thats cool [01:27] hmm, thomboy-applet crashes gnome-panel [01:27] how nice [01:28] dooh! [01:28] s/thom/tom/ [01:28] Nafallo, not here [01:28] ogra: started today. worked fine here to til then. [01:29] I must have changed something :-P [01:29] runs through since the last x upgrade [01:29] ...here [01:30] doesn't work here either [01:30] odd, I'll check it out later. [01:30] it can't seem to find it's icon when i try to add it, then it says it quit unexpectedly, then it asks if i want to delete it or not [01:31] Nafallo: hah, my dslis now going to be flatlined for thenext couple hours ;) [01:31] Amaranth: exactly [01:31] Lathiat: hehe [01:31] Lathiat: mine is always flat :-) [01:31] unfortunately i can only download 20GB internationally a month [01:31] theres stuffinmy local city i get for free i do alotmoreof tho [01:32] I got no restrictions what so ever :-) [01:32] heh [01:32] i bet its faster too :) === Lathiat kicks australian bandwidth costs [01:32] 420/420kbit [01:32] trafficshaped 512/512 ;-) [01:32] hrm, or not [01:32] 1.M/256 [01:33] 512 what? [01:33] kbit [01:33] *1.5M/256K(bits) [01:33] how can you be traffic shaped higher than yoru link speed?:) [01:33] no. the speed is 512kbit, trafficshaped to 420kbit [01:33] heh when i get traffic shaped i get 72kbit [01:34] ah right [01:34] my pppoe kept dying :-P [01:34] doesn't anymore ;-) [01:34] eek! [01:34] bram cohensblog is a good read [01:34] Amaranth: ? [01:34] where did seb go? === Amaranth freaks out majorly [01:34] 01:21 -!- seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-13-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [01:34] ["I like core dumps"] === Amaranth screams [01:35] what was the workaround for the hdparm-bug? :-) [01:36] if any... === _Legion_ [~adebarbar@labi.fi.uba.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] Nafallo: the cdrom one? [01:38] Nafallo: that bugs the hell out of me [01:38] tseng: yes [01:39] I often forget to turn dma on til the cpuload becomes 100% ;-) [01:39] the I remember :-P [01:39] yeah it sucks to rip cds w/o dma [01:39] copy stuff from dvds is worse ;-) [01:40] damn [01:40] I'll buy this album later :-) [01:40] try burning [01:40] cus if you turn dma on into the burn it screws it up :) (at least for me) [01:41] Lathiat: hehe, I usally quit the task before turning it on ;-) [01:42] yeh but quitting halfway through a burn is annoying cus you coaster the ddvd/cd :) [01:42] notably annoying when that was your last cd :) [01:42] hehe, indeed [01:42] I usually don't burn stuff ;-) [01:42] grumble, java exam soon [01:42] I'm out of media :-P [01:43] hmm, breezy-live is stable atm? [01:43] Nafallo: http://penguins.squaa.org/waix.ipac/waix.ipac-day.png (ee that big yello wspike on the right? :) [01:43] lol === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] sighand its raining and i have to get the bus [01:48] yay! [01:48] seb really fixed the bug :-) === dato [~adeodato@dato.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] jdub: did you ever package ifolder === womble [~mpalmer@220-245-224-46-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra sighs about the 21375628th failed ffmpeg build === grover [~grover@216-99-218-29.dsl.aracnet.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:02] tseng: mmm, long time ago, but it was a hideous messs [03:03] tseng: todd gave them a 2x4 on how to lay out their software [03:03] tseng: might be better now, dunno [03:03] jdub: ok.. [03:03] jdub: it is still alot of work it looks like [03:03] jdub: 4 packages === stub [~stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra gives up on ffmpeg for today :/ === mxpxpod [~bryan@mxpxpod.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === squinn [~squinn@68.205.198.0] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:30] Hi, maybe you can help me out with something. [03:30] Does anyone in here know what burning software is to be shipped with Breezy? [03:32] squinn, nautilus and serpentine [03:32] hrm, where is fabio's 2.6.12-2.1 kernel [03:32] build logs say it built [03:32] oh, did it fail ? [03:32] hmm [03:32] no [03:32] build logs say it built :) [03:33] archive script ? [03:34] Question #2 [03:34] Is there a way to just look at last reported bugs on Bugzilla? [03:34] squinn, yes.... [03:35] the detailed search offers a time range [03:35] Didn't notice that, okay, thanks. [03:37] night all [03:40] bye ogra [03:41] Gnight ogra === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] Question. [04:02] Is it a possibility to have one blanket command to apt-get install every single package in a repository? [04:02] Like I want to apt-get install every single package in main. [04:04] squinn: you can't do that because certain packages conflict with others [04:04] at least, I don't think you can... === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:05] ah, it's alright..comp borked. yay. [04:07] reinstall warty, update to either hoary or breezy [04:07] i'm not sure [04:07] i may need breezy for devel work, but i could just chroot into it [04:07] okay, well thanks === chris38-home3 [~Christian@LNeuilly-152-22-2-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dle [~dle@Sherbrooke-HSE-ppp3607795.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:39] Greetings. I'm an Ubuntu user. I'm interested in becoming a package maintainer for an app not yet packaged for either Ubuntu or (afaik) Debian. I'm wondering if I should begin this via Ubuntu or go upstream and use the debian process. Any thoughts or recommendations? [04:40] you can try with the MOTU team [04:40] #ubuntu-motu [04:40] Okay. [04:41] Universe being the source where the two meet, I guess. [04:42] universe being where anything not being part of the ubuntu main distribution goes... the software unsupported by ubuntu/canonical itself [04:43] nod === jnc [~erisha@c-67-184-244-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dle [~dle@Sherbrooke-HSE-ppp3607795.sympatico.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel ["thanks"] === jnc [~erisha@c-67-184-244-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mike_douglas [~mjd@70.70.204.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jnc [~erisha@c-67-184-244-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpj911 [~bob@cpe-65-29-197-246.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpj911 [~bob@cpe-65-29-197-246.cinci.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === dbfoster [~david@c-24-18-74-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dbfoster [~david@c-24-18-74-154.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-96-128-246.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === otep[sch] [~otep@AP-203.167.31.177.sysads.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:15] morning [06:15] Hello fabbione [06:19] mdz: ping? [06:19] fabbione: yes? [06:19] mdz: sorry. i couldn't shutdown your machine yesterday [06:20] not sure if you read the /msg [06:20] I did, and I replied to it via /msg [06:20] my fault of course [06:20] oh i think i lost the scrollback [06:22] yo fabbione [06:22] yo jdub [06:22] your latest kernel built correctly, but doesn't seem to be in the archive - is that right? [06:23] presumably it's in queue/new [06:23] jdub: dunno.. i woke up 2 minutes ago [06:23] oh, abi change? [06:23] the kernel could be in new [06:23] jdub: yes.. i had to force an abi change [06:23] because i couldn't verify the abi on all arches for my mistake [06:23] and given that it wasn't used for d-i yet [06:24] the abi change was relatively cheap [06:26] mdz: mind to give it some NEW love? === jdub hugs /srv [06:29] fabbione: you were saying before that it was too much trouble to change the ABI version, and now you're doing it when it may not even be necessary? [06:30] mdz: so that printing stuff ends up being two new packages and a cups patch [06:30] jdub: if you could attach the details to PrintingRoadmap, that'd be great [06:30] ok [06:31] mdz: it is trouble once the kernel is default and * is using it [06:32] mdz: because * needs to be rebuilded [06:32] there is no * [06:33] mdz: that's why when i realized yesterday that the ABI checker was not kicking in because of an error in debian/rules, i did bump the abi [06:33] and it still needs NEW love [06:33] it was either delay another day or safe upload with NEW love [06:33] i opted for the latter given that * is not there [06:40] fabbione: with the automated ABI checker, there should be no reason to have to guess [06:41] mdz: it didn't kick in properly. [06:42] the ABI checker relies on some info from the changelog/control to understand if and how needs to kick in [06:42] one of this info is polled wrongly [06:42] there is a bug that needs fixing [06:42] so it has never worked? or it only broke with this version? [06:42] only for this version [06:43] the error was introduced when we added the ABI num to the deb version [06:43]