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| judax | Greetings | 01:50 |
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| judax | be back soon | 03:04 |
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| froud | African greetings | 07:52 |
| jeffsch | hey froud | 08:00 |
| froud | hey jeffsch | 08:01 |
| jeffsch | say, which tools have trouble with <?yelp:chunk-depth 1?>? | 08:01 |
| judax | Hey froud | 08:01 |
| froud | jeffsch: well you simply cant validate it | 08:01 |
| froud | to validate you need to comment it out | 08:01 |
| froud | why | 08:02 |
| jeffsch | it always validated for me... | 08:03 |
| jeffsch | with docbook 4.3 dtd anyway | 08:03 |
| froud | using what xmllint | 08:03 |
| jeffsch | yeah | 08:03 |
| jeffsch | do other tools choke on it? | 08:03 |
| froud | from Xerces | 08:03 |
| froud | F A colon is not allowed in the name 'yelp:chunk-depth' when namespaces are enabled. quick-guide.xml file:/home/sean/ubuntu-docs/trunk/gnome/quickguide/C/quick-guide.xml 15:19 | 08:03 |
| jeffsch | interesting | 08:04 |
| froud | if xmllint is not giving an error then it is a bug in xmllint :-) | 08:04 |
| jeffsch | i was just gonna ask that :-) | 08:04 |
| froud | the yelp: namespace is not enabled for docbook | 08:05 |
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| jeffsch | i'm thinking just delete the <?yelp:chunk-depth 1?> entirely for the styleguide because yelp is not a target for it | 08:06 |
| froud | makes sense | 08:06 |
| jeffsch | default chunk-depth in yelp is 1 anyway, isn't it? | 08:07 |
| froud | yes, if you bump up the number the toc is collapsed to that level | 08:07 |
| froud | or the yelp chunk is done at that level | 08:07 |
| jeffsch | ok | 08:08 |
| jeffsch | I split the style guide into several files because that's what GNOME style guide does | 08:08 |
| jeffsch | and to learn a bit more about that stuff at the same time | 08:09 |
| froud | yeah that's ok | 08:09 |
| froud | you used external entities | 08:09 |
| jeffsch | so it won't cause more problems than it solves, you think? | 08:09 |
| froud | no, it is a std practice | 08:09 |
| jeffsch | the only issue i found is in a validating editor such as jedit | 08:10 |
| jeffsch | jedit doesn't like it with no dtd declaration | 08:10 |
| froud | yes, because the instances are not valid and well-formed independantly | 08:10 |
| froud | you must validate from the root | 08:11 |
| froud | or you can use xinclude | 08:11 |
| froud | that will make each xml-instance valid and well-formed | 08:11 |
| froud | so you can validate the instance | 08:11 |
| froud | but if you have xrefs to external instances then they will not resolve | 08:12 |
| jeffsch | froud, I could use your help on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StyleGuide/DocumentStructure | 08:15 |
| jeffsch | and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StyleGuide/DocBookConventions | 08:15 |
| froud | jeffsch: is there such a thing as a constant structure? | 08:17 |
| jeffsch | there are general conventions | 08:18 |
| jeffsch | parts, chapters, sections, etc | 08:18 |
| jeffsch | when to use article tag, when to use book tag | 08:19 |
| froud | the most structure is in the doctype decl | 08:19 |
| froud | and then the *info nodes | 08:19 |
| froud | and the licenses at the end | 08:19 |
| froud | what goes inbetween is variable | 08:19 |
| jeffsch | yes, but it is easier to contribute and easier for readers if there is consistency of structure from doc to doc | 08:21 |
| jeffsch | consistency is my main concern | 08:22 |
| froud | Hmm, jeffsch I will try to see what is contanstant | 08:22 |
| froud | perhaps this week end | 08:22 |
| froud | I will add it in svn | 08:22 |
| froud | is that ok | 08:22 |
| jeffsch | no problem! | 08:23 |
| jeffsch | i see that kde docteam has a list of docbook tags that are verboten in kde docs | 08:23 |
| froud | yes | 08:24 |
| froud | we are not tied to that | 08:24 |
| jeffsch | we must take that into consideration in case any of our kde stuff goes upstream | 08:24 |
| froud | yes, | 08:24 |
| froud | for stuff that will be in vendor | 08:24 |
| froud | if people want to work in that way | 08:24 |
| froud | I try to do that on books like kynaptic | 08:25 |
| froud | but lauri watts is strict | 08:25 |
| jeffsch | i wonder how much of our stuff will be in vendor | 08:25 |
| froud | nothing | 08:25 |
| froud | vendor is a drop of upstream | 08:25 |
| froud | for example I will drop kde docs in there | 08:25 |
| froud | that way we can xinclude to our docs from there | 08:26 |
| froud | but this is not without problems | 08:26 |
| froud | kde also has a heap of external entities | 08:26 |
| froud | I cant find them now | 08:26 |
| froud | must speak to lauri about where to find them | 08:26 |
| froud | :-) | 08:26 |
| jeffsch | ahh, so if we do any work on kde docs in vendor, they will be for the kde docteam, and therefore according to kde style guide? | 08:27 |
| froud | yep yep | 08:28 |
| froud | but as I undersatnd it, this is a team decision :-) | 08:29 |
| froud | so I am waiting for confirmation | 08:29 |
| froud | I do have one problem though | 08:29 |
| froud | to do with i18n | 08:29 |
| froud | if we use xinclude from vendor/kde | 08:29 |
| froud | how will people in rosetta translate the parts that are xincludes | 08:30 |
| jeffsch | sounds to me like an argument against xincludes | 08:30 |
| froud | so we can work with upstream and benefit, but there is a down side | 08:31 |
| froud | it could be, but I preffer to look at it and resolve the problem | 08:31 |
| froud | what I am thinking | 08:31 |
| froud | preprocess docs that have xinlcudes and output to a completely resolved instance | 08:32 |
| froud | commit that file to svn | 08:32 |
| froud | upload that to rosetta | 08:32 |
| froud | as pot | 08:32 |
| froud | then on return route | 08:32 |
| froud | disagregate | 08:33 |
| froud | and move translations up stream to kde i18n | 08:33 |
| froud | a bit hectic | 08:33 |
| froud | but technically possible | 08:33 |
| froud | what do you think | 08:33 |
| jeffsch | I have no doubt that will work, but (speaking for myself only) it sounds like a complicated process with lots of steps | 08:33 |
| jeffsch | each step is an opportunity for screw-up | 08:33 |
| froud | yep yep, I agree | 08:33 |
| jeffsch | my preference is to just copy the stuff over (if allowed by license) and make the docs our own | 08:34 |
| froud | but do you understand the benefits of xi | 08:34 |
| froud | Ok that is one way | 08:34 |
| froud | have you ever seen howmany commits go to kde docs | 08:35 |
| froud | upstream I mean | 08:35 |
| jeffsch | no | 08:35 |
| froud | Hmmm :-) many | 08:35 |
| froud | now if you can harness the upstream comits | 08:35 |
| froud | imagine | 08:35 |
| froud | kde gets commit | 08:35 |
| froud | we merge it to our vendor | 08:35 |
| froud | our docs are updated | 08:36 |
| froud | powerful stuff ehe | 08:36 |
| jeffsch | yes, provided the upstream stuff stays applicable to us | 08:36 |
| froud | the trickle down is enormous | 08:36 |
| froud | well it does | 08:36 |
| froud | I dont see the point in forking upstream | 08:37 |
| jeffsch | what if kde changes standard menu, and kubuntu does not? | 08:37 |
| jeffsch | it is like that in gnome | 08:37 |
| froud | some stuff we can use and some not | 08:37 |
| froud | what can we use | 08:37 |
| froud | for example the stuff about the kicker | 08:37 |
| froud | or parts of Kcontrol | 08:38 |
| jeffsch | for example, it is more accurate to say that ubuntu desktop is gnome-based than it is to say it is gnome | 08:38 |
| froud | I have a vision that using and repurposing upstream is good | 08:38 |
| froud | jeffsch: agreed | 08:38 |
| froud | therefore our inlcusion of upstream must be selective | 08:39 |
| froud | and we cannot change xincluded parts that will move upstream to be ubuntu specific | 08:39 |
| froud | when making changes in vendor, we must be careful | 08:39 |
| jeffsch | hmmm.... careful is hard... more opportunity for screw-up | 08:40 |
| froud | yes, but the power is huge | 08:40 |
| froud | it totally leverages on the power of distributed development | 08:40 |
| froud | this is wht baz is a long term must | 08:41 |
| froud | with this power does come an amount of responsability | 08:41 |
| froud | also consider the two camps work methods | 08:42 |
| froud | at kde everyone with commit can patch a doc without informing th emaintainer | 08:42 |
| froud | at gnome you must first speak to the maintainer | 08:42 |
| froud | so one comes back to the question | 08:43 |
| froud | perhaps it is better just to work upstream | 08:43 |
| jsgotangco | perhaps | 08:43 |
| froud | dunno | 08:43 |
| froud | this begs the question, "What are k/ubuntu docs? What is there scope?" | 08:43 |
| froud | s/there/their | 08:43 |
| jsgotangco | you're more experienced on this what do you think | 08:43 |
| froud | I think that we need to repurpose upstream to fit the k/ubuntu | 08:45 |
| froud | but with that comes challenges as you can see | 08:45 |
| froud | if you look at the outline for kubuntu user guide | 08:45 |
| froud | you will see that it follows the kubuntu desktop | 08:45 |
| froud | granted this is kde | 08:45 |
| froud | but it is not pure kde | 08:45 |
| froud | while kde docs are pure kde | 08:46 |
| froud | kubuntu has made changes to kde in order to make it kubuntu | 08:46 |
| jsgotangco | i dunno maybe later, im in no mood lately to look into these docs | 08:46 |
| froud | k/ubuntu docs are about the changes | 08:46 |
| froud | jsgotangco: :-) | 08:47 |
| froud | jsgotangco: it would make a good team debate :-) | 08:47 |
| froud | it would provide vision, purpose and scope | 08:47 |
| jsgotangco | i dont think i cannot contribute much in terms of technical stuff because i have none whatsoever | 08:49 |
| froud | jsgotangco: I think it is important that more people undersatnd these issues | 08:50 |
| froud | jsgotangco: otherwise I will make decisions and take more flack :-) | 08:50 |
| jeffsch | jsgotangco: you are selling yourself short! | 08:50 |
| jsgotangco | i think i'll just go back to translating from our team | 08:50 |
| froud | jsgotangco: part of the reason why I am having problems at the team is because of things like this | 08:51 |
| froud | it is hard for me to convey all these things | 08:51 |
| froud | but equally I need help from team members to make such decisions | 08:51 |
| froud | in the past nobody had such knowledge, but now I see people like jeffsch and gtaylor can help | 08:52 |
| froud | I would hope more will be able to do so | 08:52 |
| jeffsch | froud: then maybe slow down a bit... it may take longer, but in the end it will be stronger | 08:52 |
| froud | jeffsch: yes, I now realise that I must slow down | 08:53 |
| froud | jeffsch: but that has risks | 08:53 |
| jeffsch | if the technical hurdle in infrastructure is too big at the beginning, then much time is spent overcoming that hurdle | 08:54 |
| froud | jeffsch: the risk is that much work gets done without consideration and then has to be changed sometime in the future | 08:54 |
| froud | jeffsch: yes, and no writing :-( | 08:54 |
| froud | jeffsch: historicaly I made a technical decision because nobody else could | 08:55 |
| froud | as you can see, that has implicantions | 08:55 |
| jeffsch | froud: yes... you jumped too far ahead for us | 08:56 |
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| froud | yes, and this is why I ask ppl to read Docbook XSL the complete guide | 08:56 |
| === jeffsch is glad that at least *somebody* is doing work! :-) | ||
| jsgotangco | *paid work* | 08:57 |
| jeffsch | wow! what's that like? | 08:57 |
| froud | Hmm jsgotangco my pay check is a long way off | 08:57 |
| froud | jsgotangco: as you know ;-) | 08:57 |
| jsgotangco | don't make me feel worse | 08:58 |
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| jeffsch | hey jsgotangco, look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StyleGuide/WritingForInternationalAudience | 08:58 |
| jeffsch | it's pretty much empty, and I have no experience working with translations | 08:59 |
| jeffsch | I was hoping that you and mdke could make a contribution to this section of the style guide | 08:59 |
| jsgotangco | i will research on the styleguide of others, i have no experience on doing this | 09:00 |
| jeffsch | see the gnome style guide. I was thinking of stealing a lot from the translation section of it | 09:01 |
| jeffsch | but I dnon't know what parts are good and what parts are bad (if any) | 09:01 |
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| jeffsch | applicable part of gnome style guide is here: http://developer.gnome.org/documents/style-guide/locale.html | 09:02 |
| froud | jeffsch: you still there | 09:11 |
| jeffsch | only for a couple more minutes | 09:12 |
| froud | I wanted you to see something | 09:12 |
| froud | can you svn up | 09:12 |
| jeffsch | done | 09:13 |
| froud | then with pwd trunk/ do make faq-gnome | 09:13 |
| froud | its not totally working, but does what I want for now | 09:13 |
| froud | then open the output file pr01.html | 09:13 |
| froud | <sect1> | 09:14 |
| froud | <title>Text Editing</title> | 09:14 |
| froud | now compare it to in the faqguide | 09:14 |
| froud | from line 69 | 09:14 |
| jeffsch | it's profiled | 09:15 |
| jeffsch | i'm guessing. i didn't actually look at it :) | 09:16 |
| froud | yes, so now people can see w orking example ofhow profiles work | 09:16 |
| froud | xsltproc --xinclude --stringparam profile.os "gnome" --stringparam base.dir $(FAQBASE) $(HTMLXSL) generic/faqguide/C/faqguide.xml | 09:16 |
| froud | if profile.os "kde" then only kde is output | 09:16 |
| jeffsch | say, to change the topic, why do the gnome types use C instead of en? | 09:17 |
| froud | I dunno | 09:17 |
| froud | strange stuff | 09:17 |
| froud | but we get a wanted error in our build ;-) | 09:17 |
| jeffsch | is there any reason why we have to use C? | 09:17 |
| jeffsch | will it interfere with anything? | 09:17 |
| froud | what the error | 09:18 |
| froud | no, the docbook xsl will default to en | 09:18 |
| jeffsch | it's not the "expected error" that bothers me. | 09:18 |
| jeffsch | it's C instead of en that bothers me | 09:19 |
| froud | oh | 09:19 |
| jeffsch | it complicates things | 09:19 |
| froud | its a gnome thang | 09:19 |
| froud | agreed | 09:19 |
| froud | what can I do :-) | 09:19 |
| jeffsch | if we didn't use C. if we used en instead, would it break anything? | 09:19 |
| froud | you have a suggestion | 09:19 |
| froud | not for us | 09:20 |
| froud | if we are shipping html | 09:20 |
| froud | if we ship xml then gnome wants C | 09:20 |
| jeffsch | yo mean yelp won't do en? | 09:20 |
| froud | no yelp does not know about en on C | 09:20 |
| froud | only C | 09:20 |
| froud | :-) | 09:21 |
| froud | I am not sure of the reason for C as apposed to en | 09:21 |
| froud | I just accepted it and made a work around | 09:21 |
| jeffsch | ok. i have to run. c ya | 09:22 |
| froud | I am already in enough dwang with gnome stuff, don't really want more | 09:22 |
| froud | ok c ya | 09:22 |
| froud | me gone to for awhile c ya'll later | 09:23 |
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| jsgotangco | night all | 12:50 |
| froud | night | 12:51 |
| mdke | night jsgotangco :) | 12:51 |
| mdke | morning everyone else | 12:51 |
| froud | afternoon is after 12 here :-) | 12:51 |
| mdke | nearly 12 here too.. | 12:52 |
| mdke | still | 12:52 |
| jsgotangco | oh yeah | 12:52 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 12:52 |
| jsgotangco | froud, please no infrastructure debates again :( | 12:53 |
| froud | why, jeffsch asked | 12:54 |
| mdke | nothing wrong with talking about em | 12:54 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, will you sort a meeting next week btw? | 12:55 |
| jsgotangco | ok nvm | 12:55 |
| jsgotangco | hmm a 2-week interval meeting is a good plan | 12:55 |
| jsgotangco | we still have to sort out some open issues | 12:55 |
| mdke | yes | 12:56 |
| jsgotangco | Styleguide for one | 12:56 |
| mdke | next week then | 12:56 |
| rob^ | when is the next meeting planned? | 12:56 |
| mdke | yeah styleguide number 1 on agenda ;) | 12:56 |
| jsgotangco | let me check my calendar | 12:56 |
| mdke | maybe thursday again, if its a good day for peeps | 12:56 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 12:56 |
| jsgotangco | 30th? | 12:56 |
| rob^ | what time zone are you in? | 12:57 |
| jsgotangco | im in a horrible +8 time zone | 12:57 |
| rob^ | ah | 12:57 |
| jsgotangco | we can revolve around 12UTC and 22UTC | 12:57 |
| rob^ | +10 here | 12:57 |
| jsgotangco | but that would leave jeffsch if we do 12UTC | 12:57 |
| rob^ | kilo | 12:58 |
| jsgotangco | i don't mind 22UTC though | 12:58 |
| jsgotangco | (6AM) | 12:58 |
| rob^ | that makes it 8am here | 12:58 |
| froud | mdke: what time is that for us? | 12:59 |
| mdke | 22utc is 23 my time | 12:59 |
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| mdke | midnight your time | 12:59 |
| jsgotangco | alright, i'll call up a meeting again for the 30th 22UTC | 12:59 |
| rob^ | that time zone are you in froud | 12:59 |
| mdke | he's in SA | 12:59 |
| froud | mdke: OK | 12:59 |
| mdke | UTC +2 iirc | 12:59 |
| rob^ | oh.. midnight | 12:59 |
| jsgotangco | anyone ok with 30th 22UTC | 12:59 |
| rob^ | yeah | 12:59 |
| mdke | i am, although I'm sorry for you jsgotangco | 01:00 |
| jsgotangco | its ok | 01:00 |
| jsgotangco | 6AM the sun is already up | 01:00 |
| jsgotangco | i can't do 12UTC because jeffsch for sure won't be able to attend | 01:00 |
| jsgotangco | ill put the StyleGuide on top list | 01:01 |
| jsgotangco | before anything else | 01:01 |
| jsgotangco | would a 2 week interval regular meeting be ok with you guys | 01:01 |
| froud | +1 | 01:02 |
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| jsgotangco | alright, ill whip up an agenda later and email when its done | 01:04 |
| jsgotangco | as usual, agenda will be open for suggestions | 01:04 |
| jsgotangco | but open issues will be tackled first | 01:05 |
| froud | I have no issues | 01:05 |
| jsgotangco | no i meant past issues still open from previous meetings | 01:05 |
| froud | well no new issues | 01:05 |
| jsgotangco | great :P | 01:05 |
| froud | all issues are with you guys :-) | 01:05 |
| jsgotangco | argghh | 01:05 |
| jsgotangco | gee thanks a lot | 01:06 |
| froud | just teasing | 01:06 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm koffice in kubuntu instead of ooo | 01:06 |
| jsgotangco | interesting.. | 01:06 |
| rob^ | yeah | 01:06 |
| froud | yep | 01:06 |
| froud | Riddell want KOffice | 01:06 |
| jsgotangco | ill leave that to the kde expert (froud) | 01:06 |
| rob^ | you can always install ooo if you want it though | 01:07 |
| froud | Not sure why he wants that | 01:07 |
| froud | KOffice is not as ready as OOo | 01:07 |
| jsgotangco | strange though unless Riddell wants a veryt KDE specific distro release | 01:07 |
| froud | But I guess this is KDE thang | 01:07 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 01:08 |
| jsgotangco | when i was with him and amu in sydney, they discussed a lot of very kde specific stuff | 01:08 |
| froud | Dont mind either way | 01:08 |
| jsgotangco | like appeal, etc. | 01:08 |
| mdke | froud, we can discuss the profiling thing at the meeting | 01:09 |
| froud | well Riddell is high up in the KDE heirachy | 01:09 |
| froud | mdke: up to you dude | 01:09 |
| froud | you have a working sample now | 01:09 |
| mdke | yeah i think that's a good idea | 01:09 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 01:09 |
| jsgotangco | sample? | 01:09 |
| froud | yeah do make faq-gnome | 01:09 |
| jsgotangco | ahh right | 01:10 |
| froud | see the log | 01:10 |
| froud | from morning my time | 01:10 |
| mdke | ah cool | 01:10 |
| froud | I suggest ppl look at it and try understand it b4 discussing | 01:10 |
| mdke | but we can't always read the whole log | 01:10 |
| froud | huh | 01:10 |
| mdke | posting to the list helps | 01:10 |
| froud | Hmmm OK | 01:11 |
| froud | will do now | 01:11 |
| jsgotangco | is this similar to make status | 01:11 |
| mdke | wicked | 01:11 |
| froud | yep yep | 01:11 |
| froud | still have bugs to fix | 01:11 |
| mdke | we have lots of cool make tools now thanks to froud | 01:11 |
| froud | need nice solution for image control | 01:11 |
| mdke | froud, if you post em all to the list then everyone can use em | 01:11 |
| froud | he he | 01:12 |
| froud | slowly dude | 01:12 |
| mdke | when they are finished sure | 01:12 |
| froud | I just did the profile thing-a-ma-gingy to show you what I mean by profiles | 01:12 |
| froud | I understand now that many ppl dont know what I am talking about onmany things | 01:12 |
| froud | best way to show it is example | 01:13 |
| jsgotangco | nice strategy | 01:13 |
| jsgotangco | ok at least i can smile before i retire for the day | 01:13 |
| froud | mdke: btw about logs see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForTheHasty | 01:13 |
| froud | topic: irc | 01:14 |
| jsgotangco | ok bye bye | 01:14 |
| froud | nite jsgotangco | 01:14 |
| froud | um-pah, um-pah, um-pah-pah one of these days I'll be a dog | 01:15 |
| froud | me thinks of food | 01:15 |
| froud | later | 01:15 |
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| mdke | _froud_, yeah i know where the logs are, its in the topic too, just that we don't all have time to read em all | 01:39 |
| mdke | gtg | 01:39 |
| mdke | bbl | 01:39 |
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| Njal | Having a lil xml problem | 05:09 |
| mdke | hi Njal | 05:10 |
| Njal | lo | 05:10 |
| Njal | Been writing in the how to find sites of interest in the userguide.xml for gnome | 05:11 |
| Njal | and i can't seem to get links working | 05:11 |
| jjesse_ | hyperlinks or links in the wiki? | 05:11 |
| Njal | hyperlinks | 05:12 |
| mdke | you make links by referring to entities in global.ent | 05:12 |
| mdke | you should see plenty of examples in the userguide already, search for ulink | 05:12 |
| Njal | I use this | 05:13 |
| Njal | <ulink url="http://www.linux.org/groups/">Linux User Group's</link> | 05:14 |
| jeffsch | the end tag should be </ulink> | 05:14 |
| Njal | it didnt even like | 05:14 |
| mdke | Njal, the best way is to look at existing examples in the document | 05:15 |
| Njal | Dammit that was it, thanks, how did i miss that | 05:15 |
| jeffsch | oh, and a spelling thing: it's Groups, not Group's :) | 05:15 |
| Njal | kk changing that now | 05:16 |
| jeffsch | mdke: howzit goin? | 05:17 |
| Njal | um not sure if what i've wrote is good enough, should i just upload it to where ever? | 05:17 |
| mdke | jeffsch, good thanks, you? | 05:17 |
| mdke | Njal, you have to create a patch and send it to the list | 05:17 |
| jeffsch | fine... except for the dalek nightmares! :-) | 05:18 |
| jjesse_ | hmmm can't understand why it won't let me be jjesse on this channel only allows jjesse_ :( | 05:18 |
| Njal | Daleks? You watch Dr Who? | 05:18 |
| Njal | KK patch, how? | 05:18 |
| mdke | Njal, the way to check your work and create a patch is explained at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamStepByStepRepository | 05:18 |
| jeffsch | Njal: yah | 05:18 |
| Njal | jeffsch: It's awesome | 05:19 |
| mdke | Njal, try and have a look at the Docteam pages, they are helpful and will save you time | 05:19 |
| Njal | thanks for the link | 05:19 |
| mdke | jeffsch, :) | 05:19 |
| mdke | wasn't it awesome? | 05:19 |
| jeffsch | yah. I can't wait for the finale. | 05:20 |
| mdke | heh | 05:20 |
| mdke | patience... | 05:20 |
| mdke | here they've already started the adverts for the christmas episode | 05:20 |
| mdke | weird | 05:20 |
| Njal | Really | 05:21 |
| Njal | When | 05:21 |
| Njal | I need to know about the xmas one | 05:21 |
| jeffsch | hmmm... a shift in the space/time continuum | 05:21 |
| jeffsch | there's trouble afoot... | 05:22 |
| jeffsch | the dr can | 05:22 |
| jeffsch | the dr can't be far behind | 05:22 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| mdke | i love the big bad wolf theme | 05:22 |
| mdke | that was cool | 05:22 |
| mdke | Njal, just a warning, don't tell jeffsch what happens in the last episode | 05:23 |
| Njal | KK | 05:23 |
| jeffsch | yeah. I won't get it until tuesday | 05:23 |
| Njal | Where you live? | 05:23 |
| jeffsch | canada | 05:23 |
| jeffsch | vancouver | 05:23 |
| Njal | ah, your not far behind us, i was under the impression that everyone was still on episode 6 | 05:24 |
| Njal | erm what's the email address i send my patch to? | 05:25 |
| mdke | to the docteam list | 05:26 |
| mdke | Njal, have you read the wiki page? :p | 05:26 |
| Njal | Yes | 05:26 |
| Njal | Though i will re-read it | 05:27 |
| mdke | thanks | 05:27 |
| jeffsch | mdke: can you help with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StyleGuide/WritingForInternationalAudience? | 05:28 |
| jeffsch | i don't have any experience with translation stuff | 05:28 |
| jeffsch | maybe much of the content can come from http://developer.gnome.org/documents/style-guide/locale.html | 05:29 |
| mdke | i don't have a lot of experience, but yes it sounds like that is a good idea | 05:30 |
| Njal | patch sent | 05:30 |
| mdke | thanks Njal | 05:31 |
| mdke | when it arrives we will check it out and submit it | 05:31 |
| Njal | Would it be possible to get feedback on wether it's any good? | 05:31 |
| mdke | yes | 05:31 |
| Njal | thanks | 05:31 |
| jeffsch | mdke: maybe if you just look at the gnome stuff, and see what jumps out as right and what is not so right | 05:32 |
| jeffsch | then let me know, and then I'll do the ubuntu stuff | 05:32 |
| mdke | looking now | 05:32 |
| jeffsch | no rush | 05:32 |
| mdke | one thing I was thinking about recently | 05:32 |
| mdke | is the use of " and ' | 05:33 |
| mdke | because obviously in some languages they will not be used in the same way | 05:33 |
| mdke | dunno what the answer to that is | 05:33 |
| jeffsch | hmmm... i think the purpose of " is to make sure that the same unicode code is used consistently | 05:34 |
| jeffsch | the double quote has more than one code in the character tables | 05:34 |
| mdke | yes | 05:35 |
| jeffsch | sometimes " and other times smart quotes | 05:35 |
| mdke | yeah | 05:35 |
| mdke | i guess its down to the translator | 05:35 |
| mdke | but sometimes translators don't know what to do with entities | 05:36 |
| mdke | so far that gnome doc looks good | 05:36 |
| mdke | lots of our documentation violates it ;) | 05:36 |
| jeffsch | i suppose if we're not careful, some entities will need translating, and others won't | 05:36 |
| mdke | exactly | 05:36 |
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| mdke | jeffsch, ok have read the gnome doc, looks good | 05:39 |
| Njal | anyway i have to go | 05:40 |
| Njal | i will talk later perhaps when i have something more to submit | 05:40 |
| mdke | Njal, | 05:40 |
| mdke | your email hasn't arrived yet | 05:40 |
| Njal | It's been bounced pending mods decision | 05:41 |
| mdke | Njal, you're not subscribed to the docteam list? | 05:41 |
| Njal | as a guest | 05:41 |
| mdke | subscribing is a really good idea | 05:41 |
| mdke | that way you find out what we are doing and so on | 05:41 |
| Njal | I went through the subscription process | 05:41 |
| Njal | i get emails from the list loads | 05:41 |
| mdke | hmm | 05:42 |
| mdke | if you're subscribed you should be able to post | 05:42 |
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| Njal | I know, i don't claim to know what's going on | 05:42 |
| mdke | hmm | 05:42 |
| mdke | list info is here: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc | 05:43 |
| mdke | what's your email address, i'll see if you're subscribed | 05:43 |
| Njal | neilmunro@gmail.com | 05:44 |
| mdke | you're not subscribed | 05:45 |
| Njal | oh right | 05:47 |
| Njal | I'll just re-join then | 05:47 |
| mdke | cool | 05:47 |
| Njal | that's really odd | 05:47 |
| mdke | if you subscribed when the list was down, that might have been the problem | 05:48 |
| Njal | ah | 05:49 |
| Njal | im just waiting for the subscribe email | 05:49 |
| mdke | k | 05:49 |
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| abelli_ | halo mora. | 06:31 |
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| Njal | that's odd | 07:03 |
| Njal | As soon as i log in here i get my confimation email that i am now a member | 07:03 |
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| squinn | hey, _froud_ | 08:15 |
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