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\shNafallo: for what do u need it in main?12:01
\shNafallo: problem right now with ubuntu is, every component is compiled against jabberd1 and this is in my eyes obsolete.12:02
Nafallo\sh: my serverpolicy is to only use stuff from main :-)12:02
ivoks:)12:02
tsengNafallo: i missed spamassassin12:02
\shso on my hoary ubuntu rootie i installed some components for jabberd2 and trying to package it12:02
ivoksNafallo: and you are security team for main? :)12:02
ivoksdoh.. universe12:03
ivoksnot main12:03
Nafalloivoks: naah, that's pitti. I'm in the securityteam though :-).12:03
\shto move my postfix+cyrus-imapd+cyrus-sasl stuff from gentoo to ubuntu, I used an experimental cyrus-imapd ;) and it worked nicely with our postfix + sasl implementation12:03
ivoksi use dovecot12:03
tsengme too12:04
tsengits much smaller12:04
ivokseasy, fast12:04
ivoksand has tons of options12:04
tsengi dunno about easy12:04
tsengthe config at first is pretty bong-tastic12:04
Nafallodovecot-imap+postfix-tls :-)12:04
\shpostfix backend, cyrus imapd backend, sasl backend, bind backend, and some other stuff has as database mysql running ;) so I can see everything :)12:05
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tsengi need to hack up postfix + dovecot to mysql again12:05
tsenglike i had with courier before12:05
tsengif anyone has a prerolled solution, do tell12:06
ivoksdovecot(imap,pop,imaps,pop3s)-postfix(tls,sasl)-amavisd-spamassassin-razor-sophos-nod32 :)12:06
tsenghm hey12:06
tsengi should blog it12:06
ivoksdotUbuntu12:07
ivokssounds like MSPassport and .Mac12:08
tsengnot like mspassport12:08
ivokswe should really invent something new12:08
tsengits not insecure or evil12:08
TMMhey, just out of curiousity, any chance for a reiser4 install option with breezy?12:09
ivokstseng: people will see it as a copy, despite better or secure implementation12:09
TMMor is that one of those :"if you want it, implement it" things?12:09
TMM:)12:09
tsengivoks: who cares what the little kids on osnews say about it?12:09
ivoksthis question should go to #ubuntu-devel12:09
tsengivoks: they can piss off, its useful12:09
tsengto have a single sign in to ubuntu hosted service12:09
tsengs12:09
TMMivoks, ok, sorry12:10
ivokstseng: o'm not talking about kids12:10
ivoksi'm talking about buissness12:10
tsengbusinesses need shtoom voip and malone?12:10
ivoks"ok, they have .ubuntu, hm... just as MS and Apple"12:10
TMMhey, just out of curiousity, any chance for a reiser4 install option with breezy?12:10
TMMsigh12:10
TMMmy copy/paste skills suck12:10
tsengTMM: crossposting is not cool :(12:11
\shTMM: wronge place to ask :) kernel is main -> main is #ubuntu-devel12:11
TMMtseng, I was supposed to ask in another channel... how else am I supposed to do that? :)12:11
ivoksuh, i really want to make ubuntu corporate platform :)12:13
ivokslike, synced calendars, localnetwork IM, user managmend via ldap12:14
\shivoks: kolab2  + jabber + xmpp pubsub + ical12:15
\shor replace kolab2 with hula12:16
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tsengLathiat++01:37
Lathiattseng: ?01:41
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tsengblog comment01:49
Lathiatoh,c ool01:50
Lathiatyeh it rocks totally01:50
tsengyeah tell him to hurry up01:51
Lathiatwill do01:51
Lathiatmicrosoft is at linuxtag?interesting01:51
tsengof course they are01:51
tsengthey are at linuxworld for years01:51
Lathiatwell, ive neverbeen to anythign like linuxtagor linuxworld01:51
Lathiatimstuck here in asutralia :)01:51
Lathiataustralia :)01:52
Lathiatwe have linux.,conf.au, which rocks, but we dont have anythign morecommercial01:52
Lathiataltho aparently.. (linuxworld?) is coming here01:52
djm62I have a package error: it tries to overwrite a file owned by another package.  I can force install, but how do I fix the error?01:52
tsengis it a package you made?01:53
djm62no, it's a package I found compiled for (I think) breezy, and compiled for hoary01:54
djm62easier than upgrading libc6 ;)01:54
tsenguh01:54
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Nafallotseng: it's obviously compiled for hoary and breezy? :-)01:55
djm62oh, no I got the source, patched it, and compiled it on my hoary machine01:56
djm62sorry, should have disambiguated that01:56
djm62so the binary was for breezy, and now I have a binary for hoary01:57
Nafallodjm62: that's non-supportable01:58
djm62Nafallo: against policy?01:58
Nafallodjm62: let me just say. good luck ;-).01:59
djm62Nafallo: it works fine, my machine is good01:59
Nafallodjm62: suit yourself01:59
djm62the issue is, the current version of electricsheep (the server) breaks compatibility with the client included in hoary.  the hoary client doesn't work anymore.02:00
ogradjm62, really ?02:01
djm62the .deb package available for download isn't compatible with hoary, and this guy came into #ubuntu wanting to know how to upgrade libc6.  since people aren't meant to be using breezy yet unless they know what they're doing, I thought it would be useful to have a version of electricsheep compiled for hoary02:02
ogradjm62, what does it try to overwrite02:02
djm62ogra: electricsheep.xml02:02
djm62(just checking exactly what)02:02
ograin xscreensaver ?02:02
djm62ogra: yeah02:03
djm62I guessed that that was safe enough to overwrite, and it was (it works)02:03
bddebianogra: Whom did you say I should ask about the distro framework?02:04
ograhmm.... it wont be different....02:04
djm62this file: /usr/share/xscreensaver/config/electricsheep.xml02:04
ograbddebian, Kamion if he's around again02:04
ogradjm62, yep02:05
djm62ogra: it is different, because it mentions the version number if nothing else...02:05
bddebianogra: Ah, OK, thanks02:07
ogradjm62, it also holds the options, i meant these.... i'm just wondering how that worked in hoary before, because this file shouldnt be in the electricsheep package02:07
bddebianogra: Well my Stinkpad did show up today so I'm installing.. ;-P02:07
ogragoahead :)02:08
bddebianThe installer is doing wierd things to the display though!?02:10
djm62ogra: nothing about it mentioned in the xscreensaver changelog02:13
ogradjm62, nope, i would know it ;)02:13
djm62ogra: obviously I was reading very closely... ;)02:14
ogradjm62, i was rather wondering why it is in electricsheep too...02:14
djm62ogra: I can't think where the "right" place for it would be02:15
squinnhold on02:16
squinnogra, question02:16
ogradjm62, /usr/share/xscreensaver/config/electricsheep.xml is the right place, but there should be no concurring files... only one is valid and given that xscreensaver can be installed without electricshhep it should be hosted in there....02:16
squinna user wants a package in ubuntu to be upgraded02:16
squinnin  breezy02:16
bddebianHello again squinn :)02:16
squinnhey, bddebian02:16
squinnand it's updated in sid02:16
squinnso how will it get from sid to breezy02:16
squinnseeing as update occured 30 April 200502:17
tsengis there an XubuntuX version?02:17
squinnyes02:17
tsengthat will block it02:17
squinnah i see02:17
tsenguntil someone manually merges it02:17
ograyes, it might already wait in MUMs queue02:17
ograsquinn, which package02:18
squinn"kismet"02:18
ograerr MOMs02:18
squinnMUM?02:18
squinnMOM*?02:18
ograMerge-O-Matic02:18
ograsquinn, yes, jdub already poked me on monday about it :)02:18
djm62ogra: but if I remove the file from electricsheep how will updated options be available?02:19
Nafallosquinn: I've filed a bug in Malone about kismet :-)02:19
ograhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/kismet/02:19
squinnNafallo, I'm talking about you then.02:20
ogradjm62, no, thats my task... i have to move the new options of electricsheep into the new xscreensaver02:20
djm62ogra: not to hassle you, just trying to make things work in the Right Way02:20
djm62ogra: which scuppers the hoary version of electricsheep :(02:20
ogradjm62, and rip it out of the electricsheep package (or supress its installation if xss is installed)02:21
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Nafallosquinn: hehe02:21
ogradjm62, normally hoary updates dont happen.....02:21
ogradjm62, so its up to you how you handle it02:21
djm62ogra: yeah, but a package like electricsheep is just the sort of thing that people will upgrade to breezy for then regret it and hate ubuntu :-/  I only built it to stop someone doing that02:22
djm62it seems daft02:22
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tsengogra: oops02:23
tsengim thinking of updating my desktop when mythtv is fixed02:24
ogratseng, poke mdz... its his toy :)02:24
tsengi know02:24
tsengi tried to fix it myself02:24
tsengits a stupid xorg include thing02:24
ograheh... xorg02:24
tsengand a renamed qt lib02:25
tsenglibqt3c102-mt-mysql -> libqt-mt-mysql02:25
tsenghe is probably too busy02:25
ograyep02:25
tsengor would have fixed it already02:25
ograhe is02:25
tsengi need to try iFolder02:26
tsengto sync my /home's02:26
djm62one last question...if my package works for some test installs, am I okay to put it on a webpage for cases where someone wants it anyway anyhow?  I won't bother if it's going to cause hassle to proper devs02:27
ogratseng, dont do it... it wont make you happy02:27
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tsengogra: you used it?02:27
tsengluis seemed to sort of like it02:27
ogratseng, nope, but i know people who tried it....02:27
tsengand luis is a sane man02:27
ograthats true02:27
tsengi dont want to nfs /home02:28
ogradjm62, its a screensaver02:28
tsengbut i want to have the same files02:28
ogradjm62, not libc or the kernel ;)02:28
tsengw/o extra work02:28
djm62:) entendu02:28
djm62(people can be touchy, and I'm new to this, so I tread carefully)02:29
ogratseng, whats wrong with nfs home ?02:29
tsengogra: my main machine is a laptop02:29
tsengogra: i travel with it02:29
tsengto work, appt, parent's house02:29
tsengapartment02:29
tsengabbreviations are bad for non-english speakers02:29
tsengwe should cut them out02:29
Nafallotseng: rsync+ssh?02:29
tsengNafallo: work!02:30
ogradjm62, its very nice that you ask :) really.... but we have to deal with people who backport non working mono stuff and dont ask (or even test it) so i think we can afford a screensaver backport :)02:30
tsengph34r broken screensavers02:31
ograheh02:31
Nafallotseng: ehm. sync _before_ and _after_ work :-)02:31
ogratseng, just install some wireless hubs between your flat and your parents house and you are fine...02:32
ograhey and there is always gprs :)02:32
ogratseng, try ifolder and tell me about, nobody of the guys around me that tested it kept it....02:32
tsengeh why is there a buy now button on ifolder02:33
tsengit was all GPL iirc02:33
ograonly the peer to peer mode02:34
tsengwell thats what i need i guess02:34
ograyou have to buy the server if you want to run in server/client mode02:34
Nafalloogra: you are handling kismet? :-)02:36
tsengit needs xsp? wth02:36
ograNafallo, feel free ;)02:36
ograNafallo, i have enough on my desk... grab and merge it if you like :)02:37
Nafalloogra: if you promise to review and upload ;-). shall I assign my bug about it to you or me? :-)02:38
ograNafallo, put me on CC02:38
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tsengogra: yeah this ifolder stuff looks like alot of work02:39
ograyep02:39
Nafallok. I'll assign it to me, otherwize I might forget about it :-).02:39
ograNafallo, i'l grab it if it takes to long (i.e. if jdub starts to bug me more about it) ;)02:40
Nafalloogra: fine :-)02:41
Nafallolater today our time though. time for bed :-).02:41
Nafallonight all!02:41
bddebianGnight02:42
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tsengoh yeah does anyone use a apt caching tool?02:48
tsengif so which one02:48
ogranight Nafallo02:48
ajmitchI used to use apt-proxy02:49
ajmitchwhich I'll probably switch back to now that my proxy box is upgraded to sarge02:50
tsengajmitch: is that the scary one?02:51
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ajmitchprobably02:51
ajmitchyou set it as your apt source & it fetches & caches everything02:52
tsengyes02:52
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ajmitchs/least/latest/02:52
ajmitchlooks like there's a bunch of opengl games to transition to the new x.org package names02:54
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bddebianshit, keyboard blew on x config.. :-(03:11
tsengajmitch: hm this thing is ok03:24
Burgundaviaajmitch, people on linux don't play games anyway03:25
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riffichi i was told to "Step up and package it." regarding musepack plugins for gstreamer for breezy03:28
rifficin the forums03:28
ajmitchriffic: alright, packaged stuff before? :)03:46
bddebianajmitch: Fix my warty install.. :'-(03:46
ajmitchbddebian: warty? why would you run that antique? ;)03:46
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bddebianajmitch: Because it's the only CD I have handy that I got at FOSDEM.. :-)03:47
ajmitchbddebian: so how did you break it? btw, breakage fixing is generally reserved to #ubuntu03:48
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tsengi guess this is safe03:48
bddebianajmitch: I asked in there.. :-(03:49
bddebianajmitch: Dunno, the keyboard is unresponsive after getting to the timezone config.  Can't switch terminals, cant select a region, nada.. :-(03:49
ajmitchfun03:49
bddebianNo, not really :-)03:49
ajmitchand you expect that I can help?03:49
bddebianI was hoping..  I want to get to work man.. :-)03:50
rifficajmitch: hah, no03:53
rifficsorry =/03:53
rifficbut i can learn03:53
rifficwhat version of gstreamer is being tracked for breezy anyways? no plans to use .9 ?03:54
ajmitchanyone around to help riffic out? I'm at work at the moment03:55
ajmitchriffic: whatever is in debian, .9 won't be API/ABI stable until 0.10, afaik03:55
tsengwell fluendo is going to work 100% on .903:56
tsengso it will go fast03:56
tsengthey have 4 or 5 guys03:56
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riffichttp://www.gnome.org/~martink/2005/stuff/Screenshot-nautilus-hierarchical.png < this looks quite awesome04:02
tsengriffic: it looks painfully hard to use on a laptop04:11
tsengclicking those tiny little arrows is impossible04:11
schweebtseng: you could always double click on the entire line to get the same result04:15
tsengi guess04:16
schweebis it my laptop, or is the antialiasing on those fonts screwed up... r/g/b misalignment04:16
tsengim not trying that thing until it makes itin a release04:16
tsengschweeb: it is04:16
tsengthey have a tiny shadow of odd color04:16
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ajmitchI wonder who uploaded rfb..04:38
ajmitchah, doko did04:38
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dleGreetings.  I'm an Ubuntu user.  I'm interested in becoming a package maintainer for an app not yet packaged for either Ubuntu or (afaik) Debian.  I'm wondering if I should begin this via Ubuntu or go upstream and use the debian process.  Any thoughts or recommendations?  (I just asked this in #ubuntu-devel and someone directed me here.)04:43
ajmitchit'll probably be easier to get it into ubuntu04:43
dleWhy's that?04:43
ajmitchbut standards are high in both cases :)04:43
schweebhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages04:43
ajmitchbecause for debian it can take a little more hunting to find a sponsor04:43
schweebhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseNewPackages04:43
schweebajmitch: or a lot more hunting04:44
ajmitchschweeb: depends on how useful the software is, and how good the packaging is04:44
schweebtrue04:44
schweebhrm04:45
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schweebheh, looks like it hasn't been upped since march04:46
schweebwhoops04:46
ajmitchah, good to see ginac built on 3/4 archs04:46
schweeb;)04:46
ajmitchbroken b-d on ia6404:47
schweebis mono usable on ia64 yet?04:50
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ajmitchI don't have an ia64 to test it out, sadly04:50
schweebheh04:51
ajmitchalthough that's probably a good thing for the power bill04:51
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schweebI'm just wondering if when I fix gsf-sharp, I should do stuff to get it working on ia64 as well04:51
schweebif there's no mono, that'd answer that question pretty quickly :p04:51
ajmitchdepends if the 2 ia64 users want gsf-sharp ;)04:52
schweebeh, let's be realistic... 3 i64 users04:53
schweeb*ia6404:53
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|QuaD-i asked a while ago, never got an answer, anyone using hoary's hula package?05:28
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\shmorning09:42
\shDanielN_atw: ping10:02
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torkelis anyone working on/responsible for security bugs in universe?10:12
\shhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUSecurity10:13
torkel\sh: thanks10:13
Amarantherr, was mplayer removed from breezy?10:15
Amaranthnm10:18
Amaranthforgot to turn on multiverse10:18
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shawarmaIs the MOTU team subscribed to the MOTUToReview page in the new wiki?12:28
shawarmaIOW, can they be expected to notice changes there and do something about them?12:30
shawarmaWow. This channel i sloooow today. :-)12:31
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ajmitchshawarma: yes, I'm also subscribed to the whole wiki at the moment :)01:13
shawarmaajmitch: Wow!01:13
shawarmaajmitch: How?01:13
shawarmaajmitch: And doesn't that produce a sh*tload of e-mail?01:13
\shshawarma: 27th of june, review day, then we will scare the devil out of the packagers ;-)01:15
shawarma\sh: Right. Too bad I won't be available for the entire next week.:-(01:16
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danielnmorning :)01:33
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DanielNs01:33
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DanielNlol01:38
DanielNnever seen before that \sh isn't around :)01:38
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DanielNhi ogra01:40
ograhey01:40
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\shDanielN: it's called dircproxy and i gives you the opinion, that i'm always here and awake ;)01:51
Nafallo\sh: the proxy pokes you if you try to sleep? :-)01:52
\shno...my laptop is switched off during night normally01:56
\shbut my rootserver is on 24h/30 or 31 days a month*12 months01:56
Nafallo*s*01:57
Nafalloseems like a similiar setup to what I have :-)01:58
HiddenWolf\sh, you should take it down for kernel upgrades. :P01:59
NafalloHiddenWolf: not take it down. reboot if the updates really, really, _really_ requires it ;-)01:59
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\shHiddenWolf: for kernel upgrades I will go to DC and upgrade 15 machines at once :)02:13
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HiddenWolf:P02:14
HiddenWolfI've got enough with my one pc.02:14
DanielN\sh: is it in ubuntu?02:18
\shDanielN_atw: dircproxy? yes :)02:42
Nafalloand so is muh ;-)03:07
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bddebianGood morning03:25
ajmitchhi03:25
bddebianHeya ajmitch03:25
tsengajmitch: morning?03:25
bddebianajmitch: Thanks for nothing, now no laptop for you.. ;-P03:26
ajmitchright...03:27
ajmitchtseng: yeah, about bed time, just had to get this package fixed03:28
tsengah, morning tommorow03:28
bddebianYou're hardcore man03:28
ajmitchso why have you changed your mind again on that laptop, bddebian ?03:29
tsenghe wants to give it to me03:29
ajmitchmakes sense03:29
tsenghe heard i was e-lite03:29
bddebianajmitch: I'm kidding, I have just been too busy/lazy to send it.  I got Hoary on the StinkPad last night though finally so now I can send it.. :-)03:29
Nafallohehe03:29
bddebianl33t?03:30
tsengno03:30
bddebian:-)03:30
ajmitchtseng: nah, you're beyond classification03:30
bddebianOf course now I have to upgrade to Breezy03:30
tsenghah.03:30
ajmitchbddebian: only if you're brave03:30
bddebianTotally03:30
ajmitchand/or stupid03:31
ajmitchor you just want to fix things03:31
tsengim both.03:31
bddebianThat's a fine line.. And you beat me too it03:31
bddebian:-)03:31
Nafallonothing wrong with breezy atm :-)03:31
tsengNafallo: dude daniels is back03:31
bddebianajmitch: I got the second StinkPad just to work on Ubuntu packages03:31
ajmitchno, breezy has been good enough for daily work on all my machines for awhile03:31
Nafallotseng: bwahahaha! :-)03:31
ajmitchbddebian: great03:31
tsengbwar holy shit03:32
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tsengf-spot exploded (cvs)03:32
Nafalloehh03:32
Nafallof-spot exploded inside cvs? are there backups taken? :-)03:32
ograyay... libsigcx !!03:33
ajmitchogra: I just have to supress the urge to kill the debian/upstream ;)03:33
ograheh03:33
ogra+i fully understand you....03:33
bddebianajmitch: Though you know me, I'm probably too st00pid to help. :-)03:33
ajmitchogra: everything is m4, preprocesses03:34
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Nafalloajmitch: you might need one of those: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80765&item=4557754396&rd=1 ;-)03:34
ajmitchdebian/ dir has control generated from Makefile03:34
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ajmitchNafallo: tempting :)\03:34
Nafalloajmitch: hehe03:35
ajmitchogra: now I just have a few others to clean up03:35
ajmitchtomorrow.. :)03:36
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ajmitchnight all03:42
Nafallonight ajmitch03:42
mgalvinhi all03:42
mgalvinnight ajmitch03:42
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DanielNre06:04
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pefhello06:04
pefI've added klibido to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages for review, can someone check it ? thank you :)06:05
ivokslol, microsoft :)) lol06:06
ograivoks, ??06:06
ivoksi can't belive it! :)06:06
ivoksogra: they decided to implement SenderID on hotmail06:06
ograhehe06:07
ivoksogra: if your mail server doesn't have SenderID, you mail will be SPAM :)06:07
ivoksomg06:07
ograyep06:07
bddebianwb DanielN, hello pef06:07
ivoksthat's like... 99.9999% of mails :)06:07
pefbddebian: hello06:07
JanCsimple to fix: deny all mails from/to hotmail  :-P06:08
bddebianheh06:08
ivoksJanC: that would be revenge :)06:08
Lathiatsenderid etc dont work in the real world06:08
DanielNajmitch, libsigcx ping :)06:08
ivoksof course it doesn't06:09
Lathiatits fine if your hotmail06:09
Lathiatyour system is centralized06:09
Lathiatyou only send from a set place06:09
Lathiatfor just about everything else, there is no central MX to send from06:09
Lathiatand getting everyone to switchover to that is a) not going to happen, b) not always possible (firewalls, etc)06:09
Lathiatso any system like it just wont work06:09
JanCmy ISP blocks port 25 outgoing...06:09
Lathiat(for everyone)06:09
LathiatJanC: right06:09
Lathiatexactly06:09
JanCso I have to use their relay06:10
JanC(or my own server on another port :) )06:10
ivoksi allways use ISPs relay06:10
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ivoksexcept on university06:10
Lathiatright06:10
Lathiatbut whatif you own your own domain06:10
Lathiatbut you switch between 5 different ISPs relays06:11
Lathiatand then you goto a conference06:11
JanCmany ISPs block port 25 ougoing to stop zombie relays...06:11
Lathiatand that conference blocks port 25 but has a local relay06:11
ivoksi have domain; grad.hr06:11
DanielNhar har.. had last schoolday today... just the examines are left :/06:11
JanCand other spam-worms06:11
LathiatDanielN: har har i finished my exams today ;p06:11
DanielNLathiat, nice.. good luck, if you don't know the result yet06:12
DanielN:)06:12
mehrfachsteckerDanielN: Hi06:12
DanielNhi mehrfachstecker :)06:13
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DanielN\sh, which irc proxy are you running on you're rootie?06:26
DanielN(you said, that you're connected all the time)06:26
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DanielNah06:30
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DanielNdircproxy06:31
DanielNit's like an bouncer :)06:31
\shbut better...but right now I'm taking a nap06:31
DanielNa nap?06:32
bddebianHow are you typing if you are taking a nap? :-)06:32
\shhttp://dict.leo.org/?search=nap06:33
\sh4th meaning06:33
\shbddebian: the wonders of a laptop;)06:33
bddebianheh06:33
DanielN\sh, would be nice, if you can provide your dircproxy config file to me.. i'm too faul to type one myself :)06:36
pefbye!07:14
\shRiddell: ping07:46
\shaccess("/home/shermann/.kde/share/apps/kdevelop/pics/kdevdesigner-splash.png", R07:46
\sh_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)07:46
\shaccess("/usr/share/apps/kdevelop/pics/kdevdesigner-splash.png", R_OK) = -1 ENOEN07:47
\shT (No such file or directory)07:47
\shwrite(2, "QPainter::begin: Cannot paint nu"..., 42QPainter::begin: Cannot paint07:47
\shnull pixmap07:47
\sh) = 4207:47
\shlooks like it tries to search in the wrong path07:48
Riddellah, the evil renaming07:50
\shRiddell: just checked it out...mv kdevelop3 kdevelop -> running07:50
\shnasty07:51
\sh-> #kubuntu-devel ;)07:52
bddebianI have been meaning to try kdevelop.  Is it any good?07:53
\shbddebian: jepp..but let us fix this nasty thing first,) without the designer you're helpless07:53
bddebianFair enough :-)07:54
ivoksi hate jebber :)08:10
ivoksjabber08:10
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\shwhy?08:42
\shivoks: check the planet08:43
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hervehello!08:47
bddebianHeya herve08:49
\shOk, presenting a new motu team: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUIM08:53
Nafallo\sh: *s*08:54
\shfeel free to join ;)08:54
Nafallofirst things first :-)08:55
bddebianIM?? pfft08:56
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bddebian;-)08:56
\sh*g*09:07
ogra\sh, so your aim is to make gaim finally behave sane on the desktop ?09:09
herveyeah, it's called gossip ;-)09:10
Nafalloogra: he probably will want to rip everything except jabber out of gaim ;-)09:10
ograNafallo, _thats_ called gossip09:10
\shNafallo: is right ;)09:10
\shall b*llsh*t i will port jbother to gnome ;)09:10
ograherve, and what do i do with my AIM and ICQ frinds ?09:11
Nafalloogra: gossip have evo-love now? :-)09:11
ograNafallo, no idea...09:11
tsenggossip is the opposite of gaim09:11
herveogra, I just considered the UI and usability09:11
tsengand they are both way far out from the goodness in the center09:11
\shogra: put them in your jabber client and use transports ;)09:11
\shogra: can u make service discovery with gaim?09:12
Amaranthis there any reason we don't have gstreamer-faad?09:13
Amaranthi mean, we have mplayer and ffmpeg and such, it doesn't seem any worse09:13
ograAmaranth, DONT MENTION FFMPEG !!!09:13
Amaranthok then09:14
Amaranthwe have gstreamer-mad09:14
Amaranthgstreamer-faad isn't any worse09:14
ogra(sorry if trying to fix this f*cking package since 3 days now)09:14
JanCgossip can't even handle 2 jabber accounts AFAIK09:14
Amaranthor is it just a matter or someone packaging it?09:14
\shgossib is crap09:14
\shlast time i tried it it couldn't even handle gpg or ssl09:15
hervewell, sorry09:15
herveI connect through SSL everyday09:15
Amaranthdamnit09:15
\shok...what about tls?09:15
Amaranthblobwars just bugged out on me :/09:15
herve\sh, just works, don't care how :-)09:16
Amaranthbrb09:17
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DanielNherve, ping09:23
hervehi DanielN09:24
hervecongrats for when!09:24
\shoh yes...i forgot congrats09:26
bddebianFor when?09:28
DanielN\sh, thanks.. you helped alot :)09:30
DanielNherve, is it up already? i haven't seen it yet tomorrow09:30
herveI had it in my new packages filter two hours ago09:30
hervebddebian, yes09:30
DanielNherve, ahh ;>09:31
DanielNmhm.. i love my iPod09:31
DanielN:)09:31
bddebianWhat is when?09:33
DanielNa calendar script.. written in perl09:33
herve"minimalistic personal calendar"09:33
DanielNvery geek-friendly ;)09:34
herveit's like I know this package by heart now!09:34
DanielN:P09:34
DanielNherve, did you tested it one time?09:34
herveno09:35
DanielNit's cool09:35
hervesounds strange, doesn't it?09:35
herveI'm not that geek!09:35
DanielNi've installed it on my rootie.. so i have contact to my calender from every where with ssh09:35
DanielNfor me it's absolut great09:36
DanielNbut everyone as he likes :)09:36
herveI have a Palm!09:36
DanielNherve, ok.. topped09:36
DanielN;)09:36
hervewith wifi!09:36
DanielNarr.. stop09:36
DanielN;>09:36
Nafallohave anyone got ccache-love inside their pbuilders? :-)09:44
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hervenight all10:06
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sebesthello, i have a question about the motu wiki10:14
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sebesti've writtend the package for nautilus-share, and i read the comment, should i modify the package according to them?10:15
ograsebest, if the comment is from a MOTU, yes10:22
tsengogra: revu should have a special status for MOTUs10:23
tsengogra: mark us with a little star or something10:23
ograyep10:23
tsengand note packages that have 3 starred reviews10:23
tsengactually we need more than jsut comments10:23
tsengwe need to give it a + or a 010:23
tsengwe need to give it a + or a -10:23
ogratseng, siretart's tool will solve it10:24
tsengok10:24
tsengi dont think it does now10:24
tsengbut i will trust him to rock10:24
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ograyep10:25
tsengjust as long as he understands the process, he is pretty new10:25
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ajmitchmorning10:26
Firetechevening.10:26
bddebianafternoon10:28
ogranoon ?10:31
ogra(just to compete it)10:31
ogracomplete even10:31
jamessan|workshouldn't that be noon-thirty?10:31
ograheh10:31
ograisnt that afternoon already.... technically....10:32
ograbut night is missing too :)10:32
ajmitchwhy is DanielN still pinging me about libsigcx? ;)10:39
ajmitch https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1145610:42
ajmitchugh10:42
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ajmitchI meant to paste http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/sponsorship_checklist.html10:42
ajmitchcare if I add that to reviewing tips?10:42
tsengoh deinfatly10:43
ajmitchtime to run to work, bbiab10:46
ograhmm, wouldnt a "make sure your packages are lintian clean" be enough ?10:47
bddebianShould be10:50
bddebianProvided people know what Lintian is. :-)10:50
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ograthey should, if they package or want to be MOTUs10:52
bddebianWell that is one of the few things I DO know. :-)10:53
sebesti'd like to have an advice about making package, how to make a package that can work on both hoary and breezy when the name of a dependency changed?10:54
plugwashsebest did just the name of the package change?10:55
plugwashor did something else important change too?10:55
sebestjust the name10:56
bddebianafaik you'd have to build both?10:56
plugwashi think debs allow for alternative dependencies but it still seems very odd for a package name to change without a good reason10:57
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ograsebest, which dependency ?10:58
sebestogra i think i can fix it using shlibs:Depends11:00
sebestcan i put ${shlibs:Depends} in control file?11:01
ograsebest, you should always use shlibs:Depends, using fixed dependencys is evil...11:01
ograyep11:01
sebestand about build depends ?11:02
\shstrike11:02
\shhow easy it is to code kde in python11:03
bddebianeeks11:03
ogranope shlibs:Depends is derived from the build depends11:03
ograsebest, so you should have the right -dev libs in your build-depends11:04
plugwashlamont any news on bootstrapping freepascal (source package fpc binary packages fp-*)11:04
sebestogra what should i put in my control file after Build-Depends ?11:05
lamont__plugwash: ISTR you were going to send me email or file a bug in the bts assigned to me that pointed out which packages to build with binaries from where....11:05
ograsebest, all the -dev versions of the libs that your package needs11:05
plugwashlamont__ you said youd bootstap it but i don't remember you asking me to send you any more info or telling me where to send it11:05
lamont__ah, ok.11:06
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lamont__which package are we talking about?11:06
lamont__and I assume it's in debian?11:06
plugwashsource package fpc binary packages fp-*11:07
plugwashdebian has source and binaries you have source but no binaries11:07
sebestogra, there is no equivalent of shlibs:Depends for build dep?11:07
ograsebest, heh, no11:07
sebestor am i missing something?11:07
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ograsebest, shlibs:Depends is derived from the list in your build-depends line11:08
lamont__plugwash: right.11:08
lamont__debian has i386, ppc and sparc11:08
ograsebest, so you ned to popluate that manally11:08
lamont__I can bootstrap i386 and ppc, fabbione will have to do spar11:08
lamont__c11:08
sebestogra, oh i thought it was compute from configure.in or something11:08
ograsebest, nope... the packaging stuff is always independent from the source11:09
lamont__plugwash: it'd be nice if someone were to bootstrap fpc on hppa,ia64,amd64, to round out the ubuntu family.11:09
ograsebest, and its bad habit to mix them11:09
lamont__plugwash: or at least amd6411:09
sebestwould be great if something like this was possible because with autotools i already defined the dependencies11:09
plugwashlamont hppa and ia64 aren't supported by freepascal at all11:09
lamont__:-(11:10
ograsebest, yes, and your job in packaginfg is to put the right pieces in the build-depends11:10
plugwashamd64 should be possible with a patch to the debian specs and a non-debian starting compiler11:10
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lamont__plugwash: is it's output elf, or is it C code?11:10
sebestogra, oki i got it :)11:10
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lamont__plugwash: if you can point me at an amd64 fp-compiler and fp-utils, I think I can probably bootstrap amd64 as well.11:11
lamont__plugwash: or a set of steps to do it would work too.11:11
sebestogra is there a dep that give the whoole autotools toolchain (automake autoconf intltool, etc ) or should i put them one by one ?11:11
ograsebest, you dont run automake at build time... do this before11:12
plugwashlamont__ i can't say i've ever tried to build the debs myself but my guess is you would have to install freepascal from the binary tarball then override the build deps to build a deb without an existing deb11:12
ograsebest, i mean before you start to even package it11:12
sebestogra, oki11:12
lamont__plugwash: of course, the ideal solution would be a bootstrappable fpc that didn't use fpc-specific code constructs, but built enough of an fp-compiler to then build the whole thing11:12
plugwashi don't have access to an amd64 system though so i can't try and bootstrap an amd64 deb myself11:12
lamont__there is a binary tarball for amd64 though?11:13
plugwashlemme check11:13
ograsebest, if you need any stuff of autotools (like copying over config.{sub,guess} you build-depend on autotools-dev.... but only then11:13
lamont__plugwash: to the extent possible, I prefer to bootstrap all 3 (or 5) architectures at once... less pain for my brain that way11:14
plugwashalso iirc a patch is needed to the debian specs to let it build on amd6411:14
plugwashftp://ftp.freepascal.org/pub/fpc/dist/x86_64-linux-2.0.0/fpc-2.0.0.x86_64-linux.tar <--binary tarball of freepascal for amd6411:15
plugwashhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=315220 <-- info on patch needed to debian specs to allow building on amd6411:15
sebestogra, what does this mean :"please move upstream tarball to <name>_<version>.orig.tar.gz before doing debuild -S (-sa)"11:17
sebestdoes it mean that i should change the name of my release using a "_" between name and version?11:18
ograyep11:18
ografor the orig.tar.gz11:18
sebestwhat is the difference between this .orig.tar.gz and the .tar.gz generated by dpkg-buildpkg ?11:20
sebest(sorry for all these questions :s=11:20
ograthe orig.tar.gz is the original source....11:22
ogra(dont worry about questions, thats what we are here for ;) )11:22
sebestbut in my case they are the same...11:23
ograthe orig.tar.gz should be the source without debian dir11:24
ograand to package it you eithe have to tar the source dir (without debian dir) or rename the source tarball (if it didnt change)11:25
sebestbut i'm the author of the .tar.gz and i prefer to have the debian folder inside my sources (because i maintain it in subversion), i shouldn't do this?11:29
jamessansebest: you should maintain debian/ outside of your sources directory.  nothing wrong with keeping it under version control, but it should be separate from the upstream tarball11:31
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sebestand about the naming in the changelog: what are number X and Y in 0.6.4-XubuntuY ?11:35
ograubuntu naming is only done if you do ubuntu specific changes, else stay with the debian scheme11:36
plugwashsebest X is the revision of the package (ie if you have to fix stuff after the first time you package an upstream version you increase that number)11:37
sebestogra what is the debian scheme?11:37
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ograsebest, see plugwash11:38
plugwashubuntuY is added if ubuntu make changes to a package from debian11:38
sebestso 0.6.4-1 is enought ?11:38
ograyep11:38
sebestoki11:38
plugwashif its a new package/new upstream version then yes11:38
ograso if your package ever enters debian, we can autosyc itz11:38
ograwhich doesnt work with ubuntuX versions11:39
sebestogra, i have some problem to make the package work in debian and ubuntu at the same time11:39
sebestbecause dependencies name where different last time i tryed11:40
jamessanprobably just needs to be recompiled under an ubuntu pbuilder/chroot11:40
sebestafaik libnautilus-extension-dev changed between gnome 2.8 and 2.10 or something like this11:41
plugwashsebest if you can make your build-deps so they work on both then just use ${shlibs:Depends} for your normal dependencies11:41
sebestplugwash that was the problem, the builddep was different11:41
ograsebest, so, to come back to my initial question, which build dependency was that ?11:42
sebestogra, wait i must boot another computer to find this11:43
ograsebest, you can use packages.debian.org and packages.ubuntu.com11:47
sebestogra i think it's dbus that was rename libdbus11:51
sebestdbus-glib-1-dev no?11:52
sebesti think it now libdbus-glib-1-dev in breezy11:53
ograsebest, that will change in debian as well... very soon11:53
sebestogra, yes but i can't use the same "debian" folder for both hoary and breezy right?11:54
ograsebest, you have to11:54
sebestbut how?11:54
sebestwhat should i put in my build deps?11:55
ograsebest, but you will need to make the ubuntuX change for te ubuntu package (or just wait two or four weeks until debian changed it too)11:55
tsenghi ogra11:56
plugwashcan you do a build dependecy with options?11:56
ograhey tseng :)11:56
plugwashi know you can for normal dependencies11:56
tseng"with options"?11:56
ograyou mean a logical "or" ?11:56
sebestogra ok i understand the logic but it starts to look a bit like the problem there were with rpms...11:56
plugwashogra yes11:56
tsengthen yes11:56
plugwashi know i've seen it for normal dependencies11:56
ograplugwash, you can11:57
tsengyou can use an |11:57
plugwashwhy can't you use that for the build dep in this case?11:57
ograplugwash, but in that case it wouldnt work nice11:57
tsengyou can...11:57
sebestogra the problem i mention is not between debian and ubuntu, but between hoary and breezy11:57
ograsince tseng is ahead of debian with mono packaging and they will follow11:57
tsengogra: thats not true, they are ahead of me now :)11:58
sebesti've have the same kind of problem between debian and hoary for different dependencies though11:58
ogratseng, even with dbus ?11:58
tsengogra: they are merging our package for dbus11:58
ograyay11:58
tsengin experiemental11:58
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ograsebest, yes, thats caused through scheduling inconsistencys between the release schedules, you cant avoid that, its one cause for the ubuntuX versions12:00
sebestyeah i guess the fact they are using gnome 2.8 while ubuntu 2.1012:01

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