[12:01] <\sh> Nafallo: for what do u need it in main? [12:02] <\sh> Nafallo: problem right now with ubuntu is, every component is compiled against jabberd1 and this is in my eyes obsolete. [12:02] \sh: my serverpolicy is to only use stuff from main :-) [12:02] :) [12:02] Nafallo: i missed spamassassin [12:02] <\sh> so on my hoary ubuntu rootie i installed some components for jabberd2 and trying to package it [12:02] Nafallo: and you are security team for main? :) [12:03] doh.. universe [12:03] not main [12:03] ivoks: naah, that's pitti. I'm in the securityteam though :-). [12:03] <\sh> to move my postfix+cyrus-imapd+cyrus-sasl stuff from gentoo to ubuntu, I used an experimental cyrus-imapd ;) and it worked nicely with our postfix + sasl implementation [12:03] i use dovecot [12:04] me too [12:04] its much smaller [12:04] easy, fast [12:04] and has tons of options [12:04] i dunno about easy [12:04] the config at first is pretty bong-tastic [12:04] dovecot-imap+postfix-tls :-) [12:05] <\sh> postfix backend, cyrus imapd backend, sasl backend, bind backend, and some other stuff has as database mysql running ;) so I can see everything :) === trulux_ghost [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:05] i need to hack up postfix + dovecot to mysql again [12:05] like i had with courier before [12:06] if anyone has a prerolled solution, do tell [12:06] dovecot(imap,pop,imaps,pop3s)-postfix(tls,sasl)-amavisd-spamassassin-razor-sophos-nod32 :) [12:06] hm hey [12:06] i should blog it [12:07] dotUbuntu [12:08] sounds like MSPassport and .Mac [12:08] not like mspassport [12:08] we should really invent something new [12:08] its not insecure or evil [12:09] hey, just out of curiousity, any chance for a reiser4 install option with breezy? [12:09] tseng: people will see it as a copy, despite better or secure implementation [12:09] or is that one of those :"if you want it, implement it" things? [12:09] :) [12:09] ivoks: who cares what the little kids on osnews say about it? [12:09] this question should go to #ubuntu-devel [12:09] ivoks: they can piss off, its useful [12:09] to have a single sign in to ubuntu hosted service [12:09] s [12:10] ivoks, ok, sorry [12:10] tseng: o'm not talking about kids [12:10] i'm talking about buissness [12:10] businesses need shtoom voip and malone? [12:10] "ok, they have .ubuntu, hm... just as MS and Apple" [12:10] hey, just out of curiousity, any chance for a reiser4 install option with breezy? [12:10] sigh [12:10] my copy/paste skills suck [12:11] TMM: crossposting is not cool :( [12:11] <\sh> TMM: wronge place to ask :) kernel is main -> main is #ubuntu-devel [12:11] tseng, I was supposed to ask in another channel... how else am I supposed to do that? :) [12:13] uh, i really want to make ubuntu corporate platform :) [12:14] like, synced calendars, localnetwork IM, user managmend via ldap [12:15] <\sh> ivoks: kolab2 + jabber + xmpp pubsub + ical [12:16] <\sh> or replace kolab2 with hula === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-96-128-246.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [~lorenzo@trulux.user] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:37] Lathiat++ [01:41] tseng: ? === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === djm62 [~djm62@82-40-60-28.cable.ubr08.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:49] blog comment [01:50] oh,c ool [01:50] yeh it rocks totally [01:51] yeah tell him to hurry up [01:51] will do [01:51] microsoft is at linuxtag?interesting [01:51] of course they are [01:51] they are at linuxworld for years [01:51] well, ive neverbeen to anythign like linuxtagor linuxworld [01:51] imstuck here in asutralia :) [01:52] australia :) [01:52] we have linux.,conf.au, which rocks, but we dont have anythign morecommercial [01:52] altho aparently.. (linuxworld?) is coming here [01:52] I have a package error: it tries to overwrite a file owned by another package. I can force install, but how do I fix the error? [01:53] is it a package you made? [01:54] no, it's a package I found compiled for (I think) breezy, and compiled for hoary [01:54] easier than upgrading libc6 ;) [01:54] uh === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:55] tseng: it's obviously compiled for hoary and breezy? :-) [01:56] oh, no I got the source, patched it, and compiled it on my hoary machine [01:56] sorry, should have disambiguated that [01:57] so the binary was for breezy, and now I have a binary for hoary [01:58] djm62: that's non-supportable [01:58] Nafallo: against policy? [01:59] djm62: let me just say. good luck ;-). [01:59] Nafallo: it works fine, my machine is good [01:59] djm62: suit yourself [02:00] the issue is, the current version of electricsheep (the server) breaks compatibility with the client included in hoary. the hoary client doesn't work anymore. [02:01] djm62, really ? [02:02] the .deb package available for download isn't compatible with hoary, and this guy came into #ubuntu wanting to know how to upgrade libc6. since people aren't meant to be using breezy yet unless they know what they're doing, I thought it would be useful to have a version of electricsheep compiled for hoary [02:02] djm62, what does it try to overwrite [02:02] ogra: electricsheep.xml [02:02] (just checking exactly what) [02:02] in xscreensaver ? [02:03] ogra: yeah [02:03] I guessed that that was safe enough to overwrite, and it was (it works) [02:04] ogra: Whom did you say I should ask about the distro framework? [02:04] hmm.... it wont be different.... [02:04] this file: /usr/share/xscreensaver/config/electricsheep.xml [02:04] bddebian, Kamion if he's around again [02:05] djm62, yep [02:05] ogra: it is different, because it mentions the version number if nothing else... [02:07] ogra: Ah, OK, thanks [02:07] djm62, it also holds the options, i meant these.... i'm just wondering how that worked in hoary before, because this file shouldnt be in the electricsheep package [02:07] ogra: Well my Stinkpad did show up today so I'm installing.. ;-P [02:08] goahead :) [02:10] The installer is doing wierd things to the display though!? [02:13] ogra: nothing about it mentioned in the xscreensaver changelog [02:13] djm62, nope, i would know it ;) [02:14] ogra: obviously I was reading very closely... ;) [02:14] djm62, i was rather wondering why it is in electricsheep too... [02:15] ogra: I can't think where the "right" place for it would be [02:16] hold on [02:16] ogra, question [02:16] djm62, /usr/share/xscreensaver/config/electricsheep.xml is the right place, but there should be no concurring files... only one is valid and given that xscreensaver can be installed without electricshhep it should be hosted in there.... [02:16] a user wants a package in ubuntu to be upgraded [02:16] in breezy [02:16] Hello again squinn :) [02:16] hey, bddebian [02:16] and it's updated in sid [02:16] so how will it get from sid to breezy [02:17] seeing as update occured 30 April 2005 [02:17] is there an XubuntuX version? [02:17] yes [02:17] that will block it [02:17] ah i see [02:17] until someone manually merges it [02:17] yes, it might already wait in MUMs queue [02:18] squinn, which package [02:18] "kismet" [02:18] err MOMs [02:18] MUM? [02:18] MOM*? [02:18] Merge-O-Matic [02:18] squinn, yes, jdub already poked me on monday about it :) [02:19] ogra: but if I remove the file from electricsheep how will updated options be available? [02:19] squinn: I've filed a bug in Malone about kismet :-) [02:19] http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/kismet/ [02:20] Nafallo, I'm talking about you then. [02:20] djm62, no, thats my task... i have to move the new options of electricsheep into the new xscreensaver [02:20] ogra: not to hassle you, just trying to make things work in the Right Way [02:20] ogra: which scuppers the hoary version of electricsheep :( [02:21] djm62, and rip it out of the electricsheep package (or supress its installation if xss is installed) === ajmitch is back, briefly :) [02:21] squinn: hehe [02:21] djm62, normally hoary updates dont happen..... [02:21] djm62, so its up to you how you handle it [02:22] ogra: yeah, but a package like electricsheep is just the sort of thing that people will upgrade to breezy for then regret it and hate ubuntu :-/ I only built it to stop someone doing that [02:22] it seems daft === ogra just recognized a bit panicing that he has not a single hoary installation around anymore [02:23] ogra: oops [02:24] im thinking of updating my desktop when mythtv is fixed [02:24] tseng, poke mdz... its his toy :) [02:24] i know [02:24] i tried to fix it myself [02:24] its a stupid xorg include thing [02:24] heh... xorg [02:25] and a renamed qt lib [02:25] libqt3c102-mt-mysql -> libqt-mt-mysql [02:25] he is probably too busy [02:25] yep [02:25] or would have fixed it already [02:25] he is [02:26] i need to try iFolder [02:26] to sync my /home's [02:27] one last question...if my package works for some test installs, am I okay to put it on a webpage for cases where someone wants it anyway anyhow? I won't bother if it's going to cause hassle to proper devs [02:27] tseng, dont do it... it wont make you happy === womble [~mpalmer@220-245-224-46-nsw.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] ogra: you used it? [02:27] luis seemed to sort of like it [02:27] tseng, nope, but i know people who tried it.... [02:27] and luis is a sane man [02:27] thats true [02:28] i dont want to nfs /home [02:28] djm62, its a screensaver [02:28] but i want to have the same files [02:28] djm62, not libc or the kernel ;) [02:28] w/o extra work [02:28] :) entendu [02:29] (people can be touchy, and I'm new to this, so I tread carefully) [02:29] tseng, whats wrong with nfs home ? [02:29] ogra: my main machine is a laptop [02:29] ogra: i travel with it [02:29] to work, appt, parent's house [02:29] apartment [02:29] abbreviations are bad for non-english speakers [02:29] we should cut them out [02:29] tseng: rsync+ssh? [02:30] Nafallo: work! [02:30] djm62, its very nice that you ask :) really.... but we have to deal with people who backport non working mono stuff and dont ask (or even test it) so i think we can afford a screensaver backport :) [02:31] ph34r broken screensavers [02:31] heh [02:31] tseng: ehm. sync _before_ and _after_ work :-) [02:32] tseng, just install some wireless hubs between your flat and your parents house and you are fine... [02:32] hey and there is always gprs :) [02:32] tseng, try ifolder and tell me about, nobody of the guys around me that tested it kept it.... [02:33] eh why is there a buy now button on ifolder [02:33] it was all GPL iirc [02:34] only the peer to peer mode [02:34] well thats what i need i guess [02:34] you have to buy the server if you want to run in server/client mode [02:36] ogra: you are handling kismet? :-) [02:36] it needs xsp? wth [02:36] Nafallo, feel free ;) [02:37] Nafallo, i have enough on my desk... grab and merge it if you like :) [02:38] ogra: if you promise to review and upload ;-). shall I assign my bug about it to you or me? :-) [02:38] Nafallo, put me on CC === grover [~grover@216-99-218-29.dsl.aracnet.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:39] ogra: yeah this ifolder stuff looks like alot of work [02:39] yep [02:39] k. I'll assign it to me, otherwize I might forget about it :-). [02:40] Nafallo, i'l grab it if it takes to long (i.e. if jdub starts to bug me more about it) ;) [02:41] ogra: fine :-) [02:41] later today our time though. time for bed :-). [02:41] night all! [02:42] Gnight === djm62 [~djm62@82-40-60-28.cable.ubr08.uddi.blueyonder.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [02:48] oh yeah does anyone use a apt caching tool? [02:48] if so which one [02:48] night Nafallo [02:49] I used to use apt-proxy [02:50] which I'll probably switch back to now that my proxy box is upgraded to sarge [02:51] ajmitch: is that the scary one? === TMM [~hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] probably [02:52] you set it as your apt source & it fetches & caches everything [02:52] yes === ajmitch wonders if X has stopped asking the same debconf questions 3 times each install, in the least round of upgrades [02:52] s/least/latest/ [02:54] looks like there's a bunch of opengl games to transition to the new x.org package names === jaldhar [~jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:11] shit, keyboard blew on x config.. :-( [03:24] ajmitch: hm this thing is ok [03:25] ajmitch, people on linux don't play games anyway === TMM [~hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === riffic [~riffic@c-65-34-206-155.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:28] hi i was told to "Step up and package it." regarding musepack plugins for gstreamer for breezy [03:28] in the forums [03:46] riffic: alright, packaged stuff before? :) [03:46] ajmitch: Fix my warty install.. :'-( [03:46] bddebian: warty? why would you run that antique? ;) === tseng runs warty on a server [03:47] ajmitch: Because it's the only CD I have handy that I got at FOSDEM.. :-) [03:48] bddebian: so how did you break it? btw, breakage fixing is generally reserved to #ubuntu === tseng upgrades to hoary [03:48] i guess this is safe [03:49] ajmitch: I asked in there.. :-( [03:49] ajmitch: Dunno, the keyboard is unresponsive after getting to the timezone config. Can't switch terminals, cant select a region, nada.. :-( [03:49] fun [03:49] No, not really :-) [03:49] and you expect that I can help? [03:50] I was hoping.. I want to get to work man.. :-) [03:53] ajmitch: hah, no [03:53] sorry =/ [03:53] but i can learn [03:54] what version of gstreamer is being tracked for breezy anyways? no plans to use .9 ? [03:55] anyone around to help riffic out? I'm at work at the moment [03:55] riffic: whatever is in debian, .9 won't be API/ABI stable until 0.10, afaik [03:56] well fluendo is going to work 100% on .9 [03:56] so it will go fast [03:56] they have 4 or 5 guys === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:02] http://www.gnome.org/~martink/2005/stuff/Screenshot-nautilus-hierarchical.png < this looks quite awesome [04:11] riffic: it looks painfully hard to use on a laptop [04:11] clicking those tiny little arrows is impossible [04:15] tseng: you could always double click on the entire line to get the same result [04:16] i guess [04:16] is it my laptop, or is the antialiasing on those fonts screwed up... r/g/b misalignment [04:16] im not trying that thing until it makes itin a release [04:16] schweeb: it is [04:16] they have a tiny shadow of odd color === CircuitRider [~chatzilla@adsl-65-43-147-24.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:38] I wonder who uploaded rfb.. [04:38] ah, doko did === dle [~dle@Sherbrooke-HSE-ppp3607795.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:43] Greetings. I'm an Ubuntu user. I'm interested in becoming a package maintainer for an app not yet packaged for either Ubuntu or (afaik) Debian. I'm wondering if I should begin this via Ubuntu or go upstream and use the debian process. Any thoughts or recommendations? (I just asked this in #ubuntu-devel and someone directed me here.) [04:43] it'll probably be easier to get it into ubuntu [04:43] Why's that? [04:43] but standards are high in both cases :) [04:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages [04:43] because for debian it can take a little more hunting to find a sponsor [04:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseNewPackages [04:44] ajmitch: or a lot more hunting [04:44] schweeb: depends on how useful the software is, and how good the packaging is [04:44] true [04:45] hrm === schweeb checks on the status of his package [04:46] heh, looks like it hasn't been upped since march [04:46] whoops [04:46] ah, good to see ginac built on 3/4 archs [04:46] ;) [04:47] broken b-d on ia64 [04:50] is mono usable on ia64 yet? === ajmitch shrugs [04:50] I don't have an ia64 to test it out, sadly [04:51] heh [04:51] although that's probably a good thing for the power bill === schweeb pokes tseng === ajmitch wonders if jbailey still has that spare ia64 :) [04:51] I'm just wondering if when I fix gsf-sharp, I should do stuff to get it working on ia64 as well [04:51] if there's no mono, that'd answer that question pretty quickly :p [04:52] depends if the 2 ia64 users want gsf-sharp ;) [04:53] eh, let's be realistic... 3 i64 users [04:53] *ia64 === bronson [~bronson@node-40240852.sjc.onnet.us.uu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpj911 [~bob@cpe-65-29-197-246.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpj911 [~bob@cpe-65-29-197-246.cinci.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [05:28] <|QuaD-> i asked a while ago, never got an answer, anyone using hoary's hula package? === Amaranth [~travis@ip68-96-128-246.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dle is now known as dle-- === NigelS [nigel@83.166.160.96] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Micksa [~mslade@203-217-18-166.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Gervystar [~gervystar@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:42] <\sh> morning [10:02] <\sh> DanielN_atw: ping === JanC [~janc@JanC.member.lugwv] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:12] is anyone working on/responsible for security bugs in universe? [10:13] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUSecurity [10:13] \sh: thanks [10:15] err, was mplayer removed from breezy? [10:18] nm [10:18] forgot to turn on multiverse === thoreauputic [~prospero@wolax8-239.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.34.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [~ogra@p5089DACD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ozamosi [~ozamosi@80.252.185.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shawarma [~sh@193.108.190.78] has joined #ubuntu-motu === motaboy [~motaboy@host196-36.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:28] Is the MOTU team subscribed to the MOTUToReview page in the new wiki? [12:30] IOW, can they be expected to notice changes there and do something about them? [12:31] Wow. This channel i sloooow today. :-) === mitsuhiko [~mitsuhiko@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic_ [~prospero@wolax9-153.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === koke [~koke@155.210.13.152] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] shawarma: yes, I'm also subscribed to the whole wiki at the moment :) [01:13] ajmitch: Wow! [01:13] ajmitch: How? [01:13] ajmitch: And doesn't that produce a sh*tload of e-mail? [01:15] <\sh> shawarma: 27th of june, review day, then we will scare the devil out of the packagers ;-) [01:16] \sh: Right. Too bad I won't be available for the entire next week.:-( === danieln [~danieln@80-219-6-182.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:33] morning :) === danieln is now known as DanielN [01:33] s === JRe [~jre@adsl-169-178.36-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] lol [01:38] never seen before that \sh isn't around :) === ogra [~ogra@p5089E031.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:40] hi ogra [01:40] hey === susus_ [~sz@p5089E031.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dahane [~dahane@d090175.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] <\sh> DanielN: it's called dircproxy and i gives you the opinion, that i'm always here and awake ;) [01:52] \sh: the proxy pokes you if you try to sleep? :-) [01:56] <\sh> no...my laptop is switched off during night normally [01:56] <\sh> but my rootserver is on 24h/30 or 31 days a month*12 months [01:57] *s* [01:58] seems like a similiar setup to what I have :-) [01:59] \sh, you should take it down for kernel upgrades. :P [01:59] HiddenWolf: not take it down. reboot if the updates really, really, _really_ requires it ;-) === janm [~jm__@202.172.110.124] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:13] <\sh> HiddenWolf: for kernel upgrades I will go to DC and upgrade 15 machines at once :) === jamessan|work [~jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:14] :P [02:14] I've got enough with my one pc. [02:18] \sh: is it in ubuntu? [02:42] <\sh> DanielN_atw: dircproxy? yes :) [03:07] and so is muh ;-) === ajmitch hates those packages that decide to use control.in a bit too much === bddebian [~bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:25] Good morning [03:25] hi [03:25] Heya ajmitch [03:25] ajmitch: morning? [03:26] ajmitch: Thanks for nothing, now no laptop for you.. ;-P [03:27] right... [03:28] tseng: yeah, about bed time, just had to get this package fixed [03:28] ah, morning tommorow [03:28] You're hardcore man [03:29] so why have you changed your mind again on that laptop, bddebian ? [03:29] he wants to give it to me [03:29] makes sense [03:29] he heard i was e-lite [03:29] ajmitch: I'm kidding, I have just been too busy/lazy to send it. I got Hoary on the StinkPad last night though finally so now I can send it.. :-) [03:29] hehe [03:30] l33t? [03:30] no [03:30] :-) [03:30] tseng: nah, you're beyond classification [03:30] Of course now I have to upgrade to Breezy [03:30] hah. [03:30] bddebian: only if you're brave [03:30] Totally [03:31] and/or stupid [03:31] or you just want to fix things [03:31] im both. [03:31] That's a fine line.. And you beat me too it [03:31] :-) [03:31] nothing wrong with breezy atm :-) [03:31] Nafallo: dude daniels is back [03:31] ajmitch: I got the second StinkPad just to work on Ubuntu packages [03:31] no, breezy has been good enough for daily work on all my machines for awhile [03:31] tseng: bwahahaha! :-) [03:31] bddebian: great [03:32] bwar holy shit === motaboy [~motaboy@host196-36.pool80182.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] f-spot exploded (cvs) [03:32] ehh [03:32] f-spot exploded inside cvs? are there backups taken? :-) [03:33] yay... libsigcx !! [03:33] ogra: I just have to supress the urge to kill the debian/upstream ;) [03:33] heh [03:33] +i fully understand you.... [03:33] ajmitch: Though you know me, I'm probably too st00pid to help. :-) [03:34] ogra: everything is m4, preprocesses === ogra has the same feeling for ffmpeg upstream _and_ the DD ! [03:34] ajmitch: you might need one of those: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80765&item=4557754396&rd=1 ;-) [03:34] debian/ dir has control generated from Makefile === jinty [~jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:34] Nafallo: tempting :)\ [03:35] ajmitch: hehe [03:35] ogra: now I just have a few others to clean up [03:36] tomorrow.. :) === mgalvin [~mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] night all [03:42] night ajmitch [03:42] hi all [03:42] night ajmitch === dummy_ [~ups@203.200.160.51] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lamont__ [~lamont@15.238.5.166] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shawarma [~sh@193.108.190.78] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Sir_Sigurd [~Sir_Sigur@3512-659999-105.dialup.surnet.ru] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveaz [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [~ivoks@lns01-1417.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === HiddenWolf [~hidden@136.34.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic_ [~prospero@wolax7-128.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DanielN [~daniel@80-218-240-48.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:04] re === pef [~loic@erodia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:04] hello [06:05] I've added klibido to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNewPackages for review, can someone check it ? thank you :) [06:06] lol, microsoft :)) lol [06:06] ivoks, ?? [06:06] i can't belive it! :) [06:06] ogra: they decided to implement SenderID on hotmail [06:07] hehe [06:07] ogra: if your mail server doesn't have SenderID, you mail will be SPAM :) [06:07] omg [06:07] yep [06:07] wb DanielN, hello pef [06:07] that's like... 99.9999% of mails :) [06:07] bddebian: hello [06:08] simple to fix: deny all mails from/to hotmail :-P [06:08] heh [06:08] JanC: that would be revenge :) [06:08] senderid etc dont work in the real world [06:08] ajmitch, libsigcx ping :) [06:09] of course it doesn't [06:09] its fine if your hotmail [06:09] your system is centralized [06:09] you only send from a set place [06:09] for just about everything else, there is no central MX to send from [06:09] and getting everyone to switchover to that is a) not going to happen, b) not always possible (firewalls, etc) [06:09] so any system like it just wont work [06:09] my ISP blocks port 25 outgoing... [06:09] (for everyone) [06:09] JanC: right [06:09] exactly [06:10] so I have to use their relay [06:10] (or my own server on another port :) ) [06:10] i allways use ISPs relay === mehrfachstecker [~mehrfachs@p54AF9A55.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:10] except on university [06:10] right [06:10] but whatif you own your own domain [06:11] but you switch between 5 different ISPs relays [06:11] and then you goto a conference [06:11] many ISPs block port 25 ougoing to stop zombie relays... [06:11] and that conference blocks port 25 but has a local relay [06:11] i have domain; grad.hr [06:11] har har.. had last schoolday today... just the examines are left :/ [06:11] and other spam-worms [06:11] DanielN: har har i finished my exams today ;p [06:12]