[12:00] <Seveas> the windows drives are mounted under /media
[12:00] <delire> tsuki: use "q u o t e s" ;)
[12:00] <afroman_> bur[n] er, the thing is it looks like tightvnc is a vnc server, not a cient
[12:00] <apprentice> tsuki: do you know IAN by any chance?
[12:00] <siimo> from the 2nd drive the cd came out peeled from the sides and with 2mm deep scratches :-|
[12:00] <tsuki> Nope.
[12:00] <apprentice> oh ok just checking
[12:00] <Seveas> tsuki, if you try it in the gdm login screen, does it happen too..?
[12:01] <tehmasp> siimo, damn
[12:01] <Seveas> siimo, omg...
[12:01] <delire> siimo: ouch
[12:01] <Seveas> that's a bad cd drive :|
[12:01] <Flying-Penguin> Seveas: the folders don't have a folder icon and! it doesn't open them
[12:01] <siimo> yeah right
[12:01] <siimo> i been using it everyday without a problem
[12:01] <delire> siimo: "don't try it at home"
[12:02] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, can you please paste your /etc/fstab at paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:02] <tsuki> I don't know if it happends in the login screen, but my guess would be yes.
[12:02] <Choubaka> Pfft.
[12:02] <Choubaka> Damn Linux and iptables :(
[12:02] <Seveas> tsuki, please try it...
[12:02] <tsuki> Alright.
[12:02] <afroman_> bur[n] er, I'm not being dumb, I'm just new to this
[12:02] <tsuki> BRB.
[12:02] <delire> Flying-Penguin: manage to sort out your fglrx?
[12:02] <Choubaka> I can't set up traffic shaping, so my latency goes up to 3000 ms when I upload at all :>
[12:03] <Seveas> Choubaka, use wondershaper :)
[12:03] <Flying-Penguin> Seveas: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/172
[12:03] <Choubaka> Seveas: it doesn't work.
[12:03] <Choubaka> Seveas: no effect whatsoever.
[12:03] <Flying-Penguin> delire: !!!!!! yay your on... I needed your help for so long then one person finly helped me... I reinstalled ubuntu.
[12:03] <lee_> Seveas, im back
[12:03] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, and now the output of mount (without arguments) too please :)
[12:03] <Seveas> hi lee_ :)
[12:03] <lee_> Seveas, it automatically booted into that kenel
[12:03] <Seveas> try sudo modprobe ndiswrapper again
[12:03] <lee_> kernel
[12:03] <delire> Flying-Penguin: you reinstalled??? youch! how come?
[12:03] <Choubaka> And I feel like shouting out of frustration.
[12:04] <Seveas> ah nice, I was expecting that but you never know ;)
[12:04] <Choubaka> QWENFqwefnqufnv wefb etc. damn it
[12:04] <tsuki> Same thing in the login screen.
[12:04] <Seveas> tsuki, ah!
[12:04] <Seveas> now we at least know it's system wide
[12:04] <lee_> Seveas - FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[12:04] <Choubaka> I was able to get wroking traffic shaping when my router still had FreeBSD
[12:04] <Flying-Penguin> /dev/hdb1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[12:04] <Flying-Penguin> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[12:04] <Flying-Penguin> sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[12:04] <Flying-Penguin> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[12:04] <Flying-Penguin> tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[12:04] <Flying-Penguin> none on /dev type tmpfs (rw,size=5M,mode=0755)
[12:04] <delire> oops
[12:04] <Seveas> Flying-Penguin, NOT IN HERE!
[12:04] <delire> watch that flood
[12:04] <afroman_> bur[n] er, I'm not being dumb, I'm just new to this
[12:05] <delire> afroman_: no new Linux user is dumb. what's up?
[12:05] <lee_> Seveas> GNULinuxer and I were working on trying to solve this yesterday
[12:05] <lee_> Seveas> he said something about compiling something
[12:05] <afroman_> delire, thx... I want to use VNC
[12:06] <Seveas> lee_, there is the setupndiswrapperhowto on the wiki that lets you compile the thing
[12:06] <Seveas> some people have had more success with it
[12:06] <delire> afroman_: sadly i don't use it, so cannot help. i believe there is a Howto for Ubuntu out there. perhaps check the Ubuntu wiki page?
[12:06] <lee_> Seveas> you have a link?
[12:06] <afroman_> delire, I have a windows laptop and Ubuntu pc... I want to use control Ubuntu from windows
[12:06] <lee_> Seveas> i can give it a try
[12:06] <Seveas> lee_, can you please type dmesg in the terminal and paste the last 20 lines of output on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:07] <alicia> cmatheson, "root@Alicia:/ydrive # smbmount \\hydrogen.truman.edu\aec047 ydrive -o "username=aec047,workgroup=truman"
[12:07] <alicia> Could not resolve mount point ydrive" what does this mean?
[12:08] <Seveas> alicia, you need to make a new directory and let it mount there
[12:08] <lee_> Seveas> its up
[12:08] <Seveas> like: sudo mkdir /mnt/idrive
[12:08] <alicia> I made a ydrive directory
[12:08] <Seveas> and use /mnt/idrive in the call to smbmount
[12:08] <cmatheson> alicia, i think you need more back-slashes... \\\\hydrogen.truman.edu\\aec047 ydrive... you have to double the backsplashes (i think it has todo w/ bash)
[12:08] <stephane_> bonsoir
[12:08] <afroman_> question> is tightvnc a server or client VNC???
[12:09] <Hauf> how do I (if possible) use transparent windows in gnome?
[12:09] <lee_> Seveas> do you see it on there?
[12:09] <FLeiXiuS> Hauf: xcomposite.
[12:09] <Flying-Penguin> SORRY guys
[12:09] <socomm> !xcomposite
[12:09] <ubotu> socomm: Are you smoking crack?
[12:09] <socomm> !composite
[12:09] <cmatheson> Hauf, you'll want to check out the Composite extensions to X... it's been way unstable for me though
[12:09] <ubotu> socomm: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[12:09] <socomm> !xcompmgr
[12:09] <ubotu> Wish i knew, socomm
[12:09] <Seveas> lee_, i'm busy, hang on :)
[12:09] <stephane_> p
[12:09] <lee_> Seveas> np
[12:09] <Hauf> thanks i'm going to try it
[12:09] <delire> afroman_: have you installed vnc on the windows machine? this may be useful: http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/VNC.html
[12:10] <lee_> Seveas> let me go ahead and thank you for your help
[12:10] <afroman_> question: is tightvnc a server or client VNC???
[12:10] <jasoncohen> afroman_, tightvncserver is the server and xtightvncviewer is the viewer
[12:10] <Seveas> lee_, ok, can you type this in the terminal: ndiswrapper -l
[12:10] <Seveas> and paste the output of that
[12:10] <Seveas> I think I know where things go wrong :)
[12:10] <Flying-Penguin> delire: could you join #flying-penguin I want to ask you a few qustions... but since I am doing so much stuff it will take meh a wile to type it all... and it would be all broken up on this channle. this way you can read it once I am done.
[12:11] <lee_> Seveas> Installed ndis drivers:
[12:11] <lee_> bcmwl5  invalid driver!
[12:11] <lee_> bcmwl5.sys      invalid driver!
[12:11] <Seveas> see, it says invalid driver
[12:11] <delire> afroman_: i don't use that either (never work with Windows at all). this may be of use: http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/VNC/vnc-over-ssh.html
[12:11] <Seveas> you need to install the correct driver for your card
[12:11] <lee_> So i see
[12:11] <mbruemmer> hellp
[12:11] <lee_> ok let me try things again, do you have a wiki site i can use?
[12:12] <lee_> i had one but when i restarted i forgot to bookmark it
[12:12] <Seveas> wiki.ubuntu.com/setupndiswrapperhowto
[12:13] <tsuki> So, got any idea of what's wrong with my space/backspace, Seveas?
[12:13] <jasoncohen> afroman_, you probably will also want vnc4 - so apt-get install vnc4server xvnc4viewer or tightvncserver xtightvncviewer
[12:13] <Seveas> tsuki, no idea at all i'm afraid
[12:13] <Seveas> try running xev from the terminal
[12:13] <Seveas> and see which keycode the space transmits
[12:14] <afroman_> delire is tightvnc a server or client VNC???
[12:14] <afroman_> jasoncohen, why do I need so many VNC products
[12:14] <afroman_> ???
[12:15] <jasoncohen> afroman_, you just need a viewer and a server
[12:15] <steal> hi all
[12:15] <jasoncohen> afroman_, a server for the machine you want to connect to and a viewer on the machine you want to connect from
[12:15] <jasoncohen> afroman_, there are 3 vnc servers offered in debian
[12:15] <jasoncohen> vnc 3.x, vnc 4.x and tightvnc
[12:15] <jasoncohen> i would recommend either vnc4 or tightvnc
[12:16] <steal> i'm trying to install gnupoc
[12:16] <afroman_> jasoncohen, isn't vnc-common and vnc-server enough???
[12:16] <jasoncohen> and x11vnc if you want to connect t the current x session (5900)
[12:16] <jasoncohen> afroman_, that's for the old version of vnc
[12:16] <steal> but when i try to install makesis i have an error
[12:16] <lee_> Seveas> should i just try the several ones that i have until i see one tht worked?
[12:17] <Seveas> lee_, that might be the best option, but remove the installed one before you proceed with the next
[12:17] <jasoncohen> afroman_, that's 3.x. you might as well use the 4.x series. which is vnc4server and xvnc4viewer
[12:17] <Seveas> and also: do not use winxp drivers
[12:17] <Seveas> win2k drivers work
[12:17] <lee_> oh ok and to remove i use -e?
[12:17] <Seveas> (I had the same chip once, asus wl500g)
[12:17] <Seveas> ndiswrpapper -h (gives you the syntax)
[12:17] <lee_> oh ok well i have winxp drivers, is that ok or should i get 2000 ones?
[12:17] <Eken> When I Install the 64bit version (both ubuntu & Kubuntu) My audigy sound card will stay silent. The alsa drivers are loaded successfully,but no sound. Strange.  It works with other dists or with the i386 versions of Ubuntu & Kubuntu. Must be a bug in the packs.
[12:18] <steal> please help me
[12:18] <Seveas> try the win2k ones
[12:18] <unome> is it okay/recommanded to use backports?
[12:19] <yuacht> steal, what error?
[12:19] <Seveas> okay: mostly, recommended: not always
[12:19] <Kyral> unome: Yes
[12:19] <Seveas> but they're much better then they used to be
[12:19] <unome> Thanks.
[12:19] <Kyral> I support the Backports fully (even staging is mostly stable)
[12:20] <alicia> Seveas, i tried what you said and it gave me a long list of options and then this "This command is designed to be run from within /bin/mount by giving
[12:20] <alicia> the option '-t smbfs'. For example:
[12:20] <alicia>   mount -t smbfs -o username=tridge,password=foobar //fjall/test /data/test" Now what??
[12:20] <lee_> Seveas> ok when i tried to uninstall it, it said rm: cannot remove `/etc/ndiswrapper/bcmwl5.sys': Permission denied
[12:20] <unome> I was just concerned about security using backports.
[12:20] <xabbu|> Morning.
[12:20] <Seveas> alicia, have you tried the places -> connect to server thing already?
[12:20] <bphan> has anyone installed Enlightenment?
[12:20] <Seveas> that's really the easiest option
[12:20] <lee_> Seveas> and when i tried the same thing but with .inf instead of sys it said it wasnt installed
[12:21] <afroman_> jasoncohen, so how does nx work???
[12:21] <bphan> I have a probleem complile eclair <= I always get this error = >>pkg-config  is not in your $PATH. Please ensure it is.
[12:21] <bphan> Read the manual page for you shell as to how to extend your path. configure: error: Cannot find pkg-config
[12:21] <alicia> Seveas, yeah... it didn't work. That's why i called the school helpdesk and they told me to do it this way.
[12:21] <Seveas> lee_, use sudo :)
[12:21] <lee_> haha
[12:21] <Seveas> alicia, ah :)
[12:21] <lee_> to remove it?
[12:21] <bphan> does anyone know how to fix this problme?
[12:21] <lee_> so sudo ndiswrapper -e driver
[12:21] <ChaniX> morning xabbu|
[12:21] <Seveas> try mount -t smbfs instead of smbmount then
[12:22] <Seveas> the rest of the command should be the same
[12:22] <jasoncohen> afroman_, nx is good for slower links because it's much faster. it also is more secure as it's tunneled over SSH. you'll have to install the nx client & server and set it up. vnc is generally easier to setup
[12:22] <alicia> seveas, i tried and it gave me the same thing
[12:22] <afroman_> jasoncohen, so how does nx work??? or tightvnc
[12:22] <jasoncohen> have you used vnc before?
[12:22] <Funraiser> does someone has a list of anonymous proxies that actually work?
[12:23] <jasoncohen> tightvnc is just another vnc client. nx is different
[12:23] <afroman_> jasoncohen, is tightvnc a server or client vnc
[12:23] <jasoncohen> it has packages for both - tightvncserver and xtightvncviewer
[12:23] <liz4rd> i'm on kubuntu and i was wondering if i do a apt-get install ubuntu-desktop....what version of gnome will i get
[12:24] <yuacht> liz4rd, use synaptic
[12:24] <liz4rd> ok
[12:24] <afroman_> jasoncohen, so what do I do???
[12:24] <yuacht> and the latest gnome-version will be your young padawan ;)
[12:25] <yuacht> yours*
[12:25] <jasoncohen> afroman_, read this first - realvnc.com
[12:25] <rronkivx> do you guys think ubuntu will work on a 3gb hdd?
[12:25] <Seveas> alicia, can you please talk to me in private and paste the exact command you used to try mounting
[12:25] <jasoncohen> afroman_, it's easy to setup. just apt-get install vnc4server xvnc4viewer
[12:25] <yuacht> rronkiv, yes
[12:25] <afroman_> jasoncohen, they don't say how it works???
[12:26] <yuacht> rronkiv, you will be pretty limited though, app-wise
[12:26] <jasoncohen> afroman_, run vnc4server at the command line as a user and it'll ask you for a password to connect. enter one (i believe it has to be 8 characters or less) and then it'll start the server
[12:26] <Gskillet> Trying to use my Bluetooth USB Dongle on Ubuntu keeps returning: Device is not available: Success - I have the bluez drivers and utils, I also have the USB BT drivers enabled in the kernel.  What am I missing?
[12:26] <alicia> seveas, how do I talk to you in private
[12:26] <jasoncohen> you can connect to the server from the client by doing vnc4viewer ip:1
[12:26] <afroman_> jasoncohen, done
[12:27] <jasoncohen> you can use vnc4viewer or the remote desktop connection tool if you'll be changing servers
[12:28] <jasoncohen> i have a link on my desktop set to connect to my server and i wrote a tiny init.d script to start the server as my user. i then set the resolution in /etc/vnc.conf
[12:29] <jasoncohen> afroman_, kde's remote desktop connection tool is quite nice. it'll allow you to use vnc fullscreen and create profiles for several different servers
[12:29] <jasoncohen> afroman_, if you want to secure vnc which i would recommend doing you can tunnel it over SSH or tunnel it over a VPN
[12:29] <djm62> TokenBad: sorted...
[12:31] <jasoncohen> afroman_, you would do ssh -L 5902:localhost:5901 serverip from the client and then xvnc4viewer localhost:2 from the client
[12:31] <jasoncohen> that way, everything is tunneled through SSH
[12:31] <KillerSmurf> does anyone have exper w/ config a wacom graphire.  I have it running but my buttons are not working right.  It is a 4x5 serial wacom graphire.  any direction?  Thanks
[12:32] <jasoncohen> i just setup an openvpn server/client setup so that my client is granted a vpn ip on a virtual tun adaptor using OpenVPN when i boot up so i can just connect to the VPN ip transparently
[12:32] <afroman_> jasoncohen, it works but what about from Windows to Linux
[12:33] <PoliteCyborg> If one were developing a new keyboard which consisted of two parts: one part for both hands and the other part on the floor for your toes to operate, how would one go about designing drivers for such a device?
[12:33] <jasoncohen> afroman_, if linux is the client you would connect to windowsip and from windows linuxip:1
[12:33] <jasoncohen> afroman_, it's cross platform
[12:34] <DannoHung> Grrr... does anyone have an idea as to why Ubuntu wouldn't be able to get a DHCP address from a wireless ethernet bridge?  I tried it on Windows and it worked flawlessly.
[12:34] <Gskillet> Need help trying to use Bluetooth USB Dongle on Ubuntu keeps returning: Device is not available: Success - I have the bluez drivers and utils, I also have the USB BT drivers enabled in the kernel.  Please help, thanks.
[12:34] <steal_> hi
[12:34] <Kyral> DannoHung: Do you have the right WEP keys, etc?
[12:34] <siorfin> can anyone help me install ndiswrapper
[12:35] <DannoHung> Unsecured network
[12:35] <jasoncohen> DannoHung, what happens?
[12:35] <siorfin> i have it installed and am following directions for ubuntu but the stupid thing wont load
[12:35] <steal_> have u ever install gnupoc for symbianOS on ubuntu?
[12:35] <cmatheson> PoliteCyborg: why would that be any different from the drivers on a standard keyboard?
[12:35] <DannoHung> Lessee, the message is "No DHCPOFFERS received"
[12:35] <Dj_AlTeK> Seveas: I got wine to work!
[12:35] <DannoHung> It jumps back and forth between a couple of different intervals
[12:35] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, awesome!
[12:35] <jasoncohen> DannoHung, does it work with a static IP?
[12:36] <florian> hi, how can i install latex 2e instead of latex 2.09?
[12:36] <siorfin> anyone know how to install ndiswrapper
[12:36] <DannoHung> Hmm, haven't tried that yet, let me se if I can make the router play nice for once.
[12:36] <siorfin> ive been working on this for a day and it is really starting to piss me off, excuse my french
[12:36] <afroman> jasoncohen, so???
[12:36] <Dj_AlTeK> i also got Ares to run under wine... now i just have to figure out how to install half life 2 and steam under wine
[12:36] <jasoncohen> Kyral, heh, i still am amazed by the number of unencrypted wireless networks. i use WPA-PSK here
[12:37] <jasoncohen> afroman, so what?
[12:37] <AWatcher>  I am trying to understand if I can get my windows (Ubuntu with wine obviously... thats what I use) program to communicate with the innernet
[12:37] <Gskillet> DJ_Altek is wine difficult to setup on ubuntu
[12:37] <Dj_AlTeK> AWatcher i was running a p2p program on wine in ubuntu just a minute ago
[12:37] <Dj_AlTeK> Gskillet: depends on which way you go
[12:38] <siorfin> ndiswrapper, can someone help me
[12:38] <Gskillet> Dj_Altek i can download the package off of Synaptic
[12:38] <Dj_AlTeK> Gskillet: whatever you do, do not try to compile the cvs of wine
[12:38] <Dj_AlTeK> Gskillet, yea
[12:38] <afroman> jasoncohen, what prog do I run on windows so that I take control of my Linux machine
[12:38] <Gskillet> ok
[12:38] <jasoncohen> afroman, realvnc.com - download the windows client
[12:38] <jasoncohen> client/server
[12:38] <AWatcher> for example... I have a internet caller id program I use to monitor if I get calls while online... ny1?
[12:39] <xxtreme> gskillet, wine is cool but most of the apps you want will not work
[12:39] <afroman> jasoncohen, isn't tightvnc enough??
[12:39] <DannoHung> Dangit... this thing has too many menus... can't find the static routing table
[12:39] <Gskillet> xxtreme thats what i figure, dont know if i should try it
[12:39] <afroman> jasoncohen, what about nx???
[12:39] <Dj_AlTeK> AWatcher; is it made for windows?
[12:39] <xxtreme> gskillet= dont waste ur time, trust me
[12:39] <AWatcher> DJ: yes
[12:39] <jasoncohen> afroman, well, you need a windows server and tightvnc is just for linux
[12:39] <Gskillet> xxtreme i figure it cant interpret the GUI of the stuff i need
[12:39] <jasoncohen> afroman, just get the official vnc 4 server/client from realvnc.com
[12:40] <Dj_AlTeK> AWatcher, is it set up and working?
[12:40] <jasoncohen> for windows
[12:40] <AWatcher> DJ: for my windows XP program yes
[12:40] <PoliteCyborg> cmatheson, because it wouldn't be qwerty
[12:40] <xxtreme> gskillet= do u have fast box
[12:40] <steal_> \
[12:40] <Dj_AlTeK> Awatcher: and you want it running on linux using wine?
[12:40] <Gskillet> xxtreme nah the one im on right now is a celeron, im using it for network diagnostics
[12:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> just a question is ubuntu really affect crappy on board soundcards?
[12:40] <DannoHung> Ah HAH!
[12:40] <DannoHung> Ther eit is.
[12:40] <AWatcher> DJ: yes!:)
[12:41] <xxtreme> gskillet= find another alternative, i went down that road long time ago
[12:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so that the prgram using the sound card only puts out 1 sound per program?
[12:41] <Gskillet> xxtreme yeah thanks
[12:41] <cut0ff_> hi all!
[12:41] <xxtreme> gkillet= plus linux can do all the things and more, stick with linux,
[12:41] <Dj_AlTeK> Awatcher: just get wine through SPM and run as user NOT root "wine <insert name of program here>"
[12:41] <Dj_AlTeK> and it should start up
[12:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm sticking with linux but i got to get a better box
[12:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> this one really really sucks
[12:42] <AWatcher> DJ: SPM?
[12:42] <Dj_AlTeK> i got an ok box here
[12:42] <Dj_AlTeK> Awatcher: Synaptic Package Manager
[12:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> mines an ibm netvista
[12:42] <Dj_AlTeK> Awatcher: but you got to add two repositories
[12:42] <Dj_AlTeK> mine's an old compaq 5420 us
[12:42] <MadHatter> ok, I have an iPod, but I can't get it to sync with either GTKpod or Rhythmbox
[12:42] <Gskillet> xxtreme linux has been great so far, kismet etc.. now i just need to get my bluetooth usb working - thats the only real trouble i have had so far, its so easy on windows
[12:42] <MadHatter> any ideas?
[12:43] <AWatcher> DJ: the program I use... the one were talking about minimizes to the systray sometimes... is that problematic?
[12:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> with 256mb pc 133 and a 120 gig hd
[12:43] <Dj_AlTeK> AWatcher: nope there's gonna be a box that you can move around that acts like the systray
[12:43] <xxtreme> gskillet= let me do some research on it
[12:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it really sucks
[12:44] <AWatcher> DJ: Awesome!:D     :D      :D      :D       :D Thanks!
[12:44] <Dj_AlTeK> lol
[12:44] <jasoncohen> any timeframe on when breezy is going to be in a useable state? I'm currently using debian sid so i don't mind some problems
[12:44] <Gskillet> xxtreme thanks for the help, i think im just overlooking something but cant get anyone else to see what im doing wrong, ive got the dongle in.. bluez utils and drivers.. and usb bluetooth is enabled in kernel by default
[12:44] <MadHatter> does anyone here have an iPod with their Ubuntu?
[12:44] <Dj_AlTeK> ipods suck!
[12:44] <Gskillet> madhatter use gtkpod
[12:45] <Seveas> ipods are cool :)
[12:45] <xxtreme> gskillet= give me ur info on that device
[12:45] <MadHatter> I have gtkpod, but when I try to sync, it says, iPod directory structure must be present before synching to the iPod can be performed.
[12:45] <jasoncohen> and rhythmbox works with an ipod
[12:45] <liz4rd> i'm install ing ubuntu-desktop...and WTF is vnc-common?
[12:45] <liz4rd> its taking forever to install
[12:45] <liz4rd> :P
[12:46] <Dj_AlTeK> Seveas: is there anyway i can get MSI installed on my fake windows directory and install from cd's?
[12:46] <liz4rd> ooh ther it goes
[12:46] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, no idea
[12:46] <Gskillet> xxtreme theres no real specifics on it, that's my problem, i got the cheapest thing i could find and its a BluetoothTM USB Dongle
[12:46] <Dj_AlTeK> son of a bitch!
[12:46] <desolator> good afternoon ubuntu lovers!
[12:46] <jasoncohen> liz4rd, it's a package used by vnc-viewer- used for remote desktop connections
[12:46] <xxtreme> gskillet= we can do this
[12:46] <liz4rd> whoa cool
[12:46] <desolator> I would like to install ubuntu on a partition
[12:46] <Gskillet> madhatter i think there are some alternatives to gtk, its just the only one i know that is easy to find
[12:46] <desolator> is there anything special I need to know about?
[12:47] <Dj_AlTeK> ne1 here know how i can get msi installed on my windows directory and install from cd using wine??!!
[12:47] <afroman> jasoncohen, I can't get through, I dunno why...
[12:47] <brady> how do i tell what opengl version i have. specifically, i would like to know if i have opengl 2.0 support.
[12:47] <Gskillet> xxtreme the model number is BT3030 if that helps
[12:47] <MadHatter> ok, I'm going to try to hook it to my old windows box, to see if it causes it to START working.  lol.
[12:47] <xxtreme> gskillet= thanks
[12:47] <Gskillet> madhatter try searching for Gnome ipod on google or something
[12:47] <desolator> is there any cool ubuntu installer
[12:47] <MadHatter> ok, thanks Gskillet
[12:48] <desolator> or something really leet and slick about ubuntu
[12:48] <jasoncohen> afroman, you have to be more specific. you can't get through to what? are you trying to connect to your linux box from windows or from windows to linux? do you have a firewall running? you'll need to open up port 5900-5901 TCP. are you using the correct ip?
[12:48] <siorfin> i have downloaded NDISWRAPPER source from synaptic what directory is it stored in so i can compile it
[12:48] <afroman> I have installed the vnc real, as U said and i can't view my Linux machine
[12:48] <Gskillet> desolator ubuntu's installer is built in if your doing it off a CD for example
[12:48] <desolator> oh sure!
[12:48] <Gskillet> desolator ubuntu can be noted for automatically detecting hardware without many problems
[12:48] <desolator> excellent
[12:49] <desolator> sorry for not reading topic, I am just too distracted latelly
[12:49] <Lunahood> hi @all
[12:49] <bluefoxicy> synaptic is smoking crack.
[12:49] <FireJocker> hi
[12:49] <bluefoxicy> I search for sunbird and get  schoolbell
[12:49] <bluefoxicy> the desc has no mention of sunbird
[12:49] <desolator> crack is bad for your health, so does hping
[12:49] <Gskillet> xxtreme i figured that the usb setup wouldnt require much more than bluez, but apparently it does -- maybe my firmware is incompat
[12:49] <siorfin> can ANYONE help me? im guessing no since no one has said a thing ;op
[12:49] <afroman> jasoncohen, I switched off the firewall... when I double click to VNC viewer 4, a window saying server where I fill in the IP address and I used the right ip address
[12:49] <desolator> now, lets read the nice and cool stuff at the great ubuntu website ^^
[12:50] <Gskillet> soiorfin maybe try searching for the folder?
[12:50] <jasoncohen> afroman, it's not just the address, you must specify the port
[12:50] <jasoncohen> afroman, ipaddress:1 = ipaddress:5901
[12:50] <siorfin> how do i do that, i am not familiar with gnome
[12:50] <Gskillet> siorfin try Search for files under places
[12:50] <Lunahood> if there is any german ubuntu user there, who knows about "usb-wlan-sticks" and wpa-psk ... please qry me
[12:50] <jasoncohen> afroman, vnc on linux by default uses 5901..then 5902 and so forth. you can run multiple vnc servers- it'll just go up one port
[12:50] <jasoncohen> afroman, if you run x11vnc you can use the current X session on 5900
[12:51] <Seveas> wpa-psk is a bitch
[12:51] <Seveas> try wiki.ubuntu.com/wpahowto
[12:51] <munki> how do i get the kernel source in ubuntu ? need it too install vmware .
[12:51] <Seveas> munki, i think you only need the headers for that
[12:51] <jasoncohen> Seveas, works fine here
[12:51] <Seveas> sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[12:51] <Lunahood> thnx seveas, ill try it
[12:52] <Seveas> jasoncohen, here too, but it's a bitch to setup, especially for newbies :)
[12:52] <jasoncohen> Lunahood, you'll need to use wpasupplicant which is fairly difficult to setup
[12:52] <jasoncohen> what wireless driver do you use?
[12:52] <Danno> Hooray!  It works now
[12:52] <munki> f~jasoncohen-> thnx .
[12:52] <Danno> Still strange that it didn't obtain a dynamic address
[12:52] <desolator> well young lads, thanks for the help
[12:52] <jasoncohen> munki, ?
[12:53] <Danno> Hmmm... now to see if I can still use it regular like
[12:53] <desolator> when you get old and grumpy like me you get to find everything offensive and ugly
[12:53] <KillerSmurf> I'm trying to ./configure a driver and I'm getting this error "Unable to compile wacom_drv.o without XF86 build environment or Xorg SDK." What can I do to fix this?
[12:53] <Seveas> KillerSmurf, aptitude install xorg-dev
[12:53] <xxtreme> gkillet= where u get the driver from
[12:53] <PoliteCyborg> desolator, that's what retirement communities are for. =)
[12:53] <izzo> KillerSmurf you need to download xorg
[12:53] <jasoncohen> Seveas, that URL doesn't work
[12:53] <Lunahood> i dont understand why "ndiswrapper -l" shows me my "driver present"-status, but iwconfig doesnt show the configured wlan0 interface :/
[12:53] <Seveas> but the wacom drivers are included with ubuntu iirc
[12:53] <desolator> so, I guess Kubuntu works 100% fine
[12:53] <desolator> oh no
[12:53] <Seveas> jasoncohen, then it's removed :((
[12:54] <cmatheson> KillerSmurf: you need to apt-get install xlibs-dev
[12:54] <izzo> xxtreme I am gskillet my other comp ran out of batteries, i got the driver from Synaptec
[12:54] <desolator> im not going to get into that grave yet :)
[12:54] <KillerSmurf> Seveas and izzo Thanks
[12:54] <izzo> np
[12:54] <Kyral> Anyone know why I cannot install XChat 2.4.4 even after I converted the RPM successfully with Alien?
[12:54] <xxtreme> izzo= does ubuntu recognizes it
[12:54] <izzo> xxtreme it was bluez-driver and bluez-utils
[12:54] <jasoncohen> Seveas, i use madwifi + wpasupplicant. do you know if the prism54 cvs supports it? the website is unclear
[12:54] <Seveas> afaik it does
[12:54] <PoliteCyborg> Kyral, it's easier just to compile from source
[12:54] <izzo> xxtreme i did a dmesg and i think it is showing a bluetooth reciever connected, no real errors there
[12:55] <izzo> xxtreme but when i try to run bluetooth software of any kind it says Device not found: success
[12:55] <Kyral> Yah, its givin me errors about overwriting something used by XChat Common
[12:55] <Seveas> Kyral, duh...
[12:55] <Seveas> do not just randomly grab rpms and try to install them...
[12:55] <Seveas> that's SO not going to work...
[12:55] <Kyral> so remove XChat and Common and use this one?
[12:56] <Lunahood> are you sure, that the package calls "wpasupplicant" ... doesnt find it with apt-get
[12:56] <Kyral> ah never mind I put in a Backports request
[12:56] <Seveas> 2.4.3 is in the backports, why do you want 2.4.4 specifically?
[12:56] <PoliteCyborg> Kyral, uninstall XChat and compile from source, and use checkinstall to simplify
[12:56] <djm62> if I compile a .deb on my hoary machine, it's just i386 generic and suitable for any hoary machine?
[12:56] <izzo> Does anyone know where the bootlog is stored?
[12:56] <Seveas> izzo, /var/log/dmesg
[12:56] <Kyral> Seveas: I'm one of those guys that wants the latest version :P
[12:56] <Seveas> izzo, /var/log/kern.log
[12:56] <izzo> thx
[12:57] <PoliteCyborg> Kyral, and I'm telling you how to accomplish it
[12:57] <Kyral> You have no idea how hard it is for me NOT to upgrade to Breezy right now :P
[12:57] <xxtreme> izzo= check infocenter and see is it there
[12:57] <Seveas> Kyral, ghe, that is so against the spirit of a stable distribution like Ubuntu :)
[12:57] <Kyral> PoliteCyborg thanks :D
[12:57] <doonz> hey you guy recomend some mp3 players that work with this distro
[12:57] <Seveas> Kyral, I have :)
[12:57] <siorfin> 500 people and this channel isnt very helpful at all ;op thanks anyways
[12:57] <xxtreme> izzo-kmenu, system, infocenter
[12:57] <Kyral> lol
[12:57] <Kyral> Actuallyu I have upgraded, and it nuked my system :P
[12:57] <izzo> xxtreme i'm on gnome
[12:58] <jasoncohen> Kyral, what's so great in 2.4.4?
[12:58] <xxtreme> izzo lol
[12:58] <Kyral> dunno, I'm gonna find out :P
[12:58] <Seveas> the i-have-the-latest-version-kick jasoncohen :)
[12:58] <Kyral> yah :D
[12:58] <Seveas> personally I prefer stability over that
[12:58] <jasoncohen> heh
[12:58] <jasoncohen> xchat 2.4.4 in windows supports spellchecking with aspell
[12:58] <Kyral> Now you know why I stick with the current 2.6.10-5 kernel
[12:58] <jasoncohen> now if the linux version had that i would want to ugrade
[12:58] <jasoncohen> *upgrade
[12:58] <xxtreme> izzo= in gnome, look for hardware, open it up look for that device
[12:59] <Kyral> jasoncohen: There is a plugin
[12:59] <Kyral> XSpell
[12:59] <Kyral> I
[12:59] <Kyral> am using it right now
[12:59] <Lunahood> how i can find out the "network-chip" of my usb-wlan-stick ?
[12:59] <Seveas> jasoncohen, spellchecking on irc, LOL
[12:59] <izzo> xxtreme ill check out
[12:59] <Seveas> as if anybody will use it :)
[12:59] <xxtreme> izzo= ihad the same problem with a thumbdrive
[12:59] <Kyral> I do :P
[12:59] <jasoncohen> Kyral, cool- is it included in sid?
[12:59] <Seveas> Lunahood, try lsusb after you plug it in
[12:59] <Kyral> what XSpell?
[12:59] <izzo> xxtreme now im having problems with my stupid network card, strange how other stuff breaks when trying to fix something
[12:59] <jasoncohen> yeah
[12:59] <afroman> jasoncohen, it works but not I was expecting... I get to control the Linux computer but I don't see what is on the screen nor does the screen show what I'm doing
[12:59] <Kyral> go to the scripts portion of the XChat Site
[01:00] <afroman> jasoncohen, not like from Linux to Windows
[01:00] <AWatcher> DJ: I can't find any info on SPM (Sysntetic Package manager) an why I need it with wine:/.......
[01:00] <Kyral> so I just do ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall?
[01:01] <jasoncohen> afroman, what do you mean you don't see what you're doing?
[01:01] <jasoncohen> Kyral, thanks
[01:02] <Kyral> np
[01:02] <Curlydave> hey
[01:02] <Curlydave> does anyone know hwo to reinstall/reset gnome
[01:02] <Curlydave> so that it actually loads
[01:02] <Curlydave> that would rock
[01:02] <PoliteCyborg> Kyral, unless you want extra options
[01:02] <Kyral> like?
[01:02] <Seveas> Curlydave, what is the current error then?
[01:02] <PoliteCyborg> Kyral, see any readme/install files for info
[01:03] <Kyral> okay
[01:03] <afroman> jasoncohen, what I'm doing on my windows machine can't be seen on the linux machine
[01:03] <jasoncohen> afroman, so if you vnc into the windows machine..you can't see what you're doing on the windows machine?
[01:03] <Curlydave> Seveas: no error, just a mouse cursor and tha'ts it
[01:03] <jasoncohen> *vnc into the windows machine from linux
[01:03] <Curlydave> Seveas: i can get into x, or an emergency console and shit works if i know the command
[01:04] <Curlydave> Seveas: but if i try gnome i just get a cursor
[01:04] <Curlydave> which blows
[01:04] <Seveas> kinda...
[01:04] <Seveas> which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[01:05] <afroman> jasoncohen, U see I run vnc to run Ubuntu on Windows
[01:05] <afroman> jasoncohen, but what I was doing on my windows machine I couldn't see it onthe Ubuntu screeen
[01:06] <xxtreme> gskillet= did u download bluez
[01:07] <phinnaeus> what is the procedure forgetting sensors for gdesklets?
[01:08] <jasoncohen> afroman, well, what did you see on the ubuntu viewer?
[01:08] <fnoy> hi
[01:08] <t0lkman> get the new user of ubuntu
[01:08] <t0lkman> thanks for the OS
[01:08] <fnoy> i just installed ubntu
[01:08] <t0lkman> now please help me, install mp3 codecs
[01:08] <fnoy> can some one tell me how to install kde
[01:08] <djs> fnoy, !restricted
[01:08] <Seveas> t0lkman: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[01:09] <djs> !restricted
[01:09] <ubotu> somebody said restricted was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[01:09] <fnoy> ..
[01:09] <Curlydave> hey online somoeme posted how to reinstall the system or something liek that
[01:09] <t0lkman> becouse i would like to listen some music ;)
[01:09] <Curlydave> but it needs su
[01:09] <Seveas> fnoy, sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[01:09] <Curlydave> and su tells me "sorry, authentication failed"
[01:09] <t0lkman> Seveas,  big thanks dear
[01:09] <Curlydave> what's up with that?
[01:09] <Seveas> fnoy, and a few minutes later you have KDE :)
[01:09] <fnoy> thx
[01:09] <fnoy> thx pal
[01:09] <xxtreme> fnoy= you need to install kde3.4
[01:09] <Curlydave> does anyone know how to use su?
[01:09] <fnoy> yes
[01:10] <phinnaeus> does anyone know how i can access my second hard drive?
[01:10] <phinnaeus> i cant seem to get it
[01:10] <Seveas> xxtreme, well, better install kubuntu-desktop for a good KDE experience :)
[01:10] <jasoncohen> Curlydave, ubuntu uses sudo
[01:10] <Curlydave> why is it appologizing and saying authentication failed?
[01:10] <xxtreme> fnoy= first you need to add more source to ur repository list
[01:10] <jasoncohen> Curlydave, "reinstall the system or something like that"?
[01:10] <Curlydave> jasoncohen: i was told for what i'm doing it's too hardcare for sudo and i need su
[01:10] <yuacht> hwo do i chmod a folder with sudo to make my user able to read/write it?
[01:10] <fnoy> ok
[01:10] <xxtreme> fnoy= then synaptic kde 3.4base
[01:10] <Curlydave> because i can't get into gnome anymore
[01:10] <apollo2011> I am trying to install AIM for Linux and I am not sure if I use Debian 2.1 or Debian 3+ package for Ubuntu Hoary
[01:10] <Seveas> Curlydave, nothing is too hardcare for sudo...
[01:10] <jasoncohen> lol, too hardcore for sudo?
[01:10] <djm62> Curlydave: somebody is telling you fibs...
[01:10] <Seveas> xxtreme, well, better install kubuntu-desktop for a good KDE experience :) <---
[01:10] <jasoncohen> what are you trying to do anyways?
[01:10] <Curlydave> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43617
[01:10] <mz2> if i have a folder in which i have an album as mp3's with no id3 tags, how do i get them to be identified and tagged through cddb?
[01:10] <Curlydave> here you go
[01:11] <Seveas> not just kde3.4...
[01:11] <revildab[tm] > have some of the debian repositories changed with the release of sarge? I keep getting update errors on 2 adresses, md5 mismatches
[01:11] <Curlydave> make gnome work
[01:11] <jasoncohen> sudo command or sudo -s to get a root shell
[01:11] <apollo2011> I am trying to install AIM for Linux and I am not sure if I use Debian 2.1 or Debian 3+ package for Ubuntu Hoary
[01:11] <Curlydave> and then it'll work? k i'll try that ty
[01:11] <ThE__OnE> how can i play avi files?
[01:11] <jasoncohen> Curlydave, wait a second
[01:11] <xxtreme> seveas= first he needs the base package u agree
[01:11] <Curlydave> k
[01:11] <jasoncohen> Curlydave, before using some random command- how exactly doesn't gnome work and what command are you using to fix it?
[01:11] <phinnaeus> can someone help me access my second hdd ?
[01:11] <ThE__OnE> i tried mplayer, vlc, and Totem
[01:11] <Seveas> xxtreme, kubuntu-desktop installs that
[01:12] <battlecat> You know the Debian people are really rude!
[01:12] <Seveas> xxtreme, please read up on metapackages...
[01:12] <AWatcher> if I type: WINEDLLOVERRIDES="ole32=n" wine dcom98.exe :::::::: How does wine know where the dcom98.exe file is?
[01:12] <apollo2011> I am trying to install AIM for Linux and I am not sure if I use Debian 2.1 or Debian 3+ package for Ubuntu Hoary
[01:12] <djm62> battlecat: which is why I use ubuntu, at least partially....the ubuntu folk are really friendly so ask away
[01:12] <apollo2011> is Ubuntu based on Debian 2.1 or 3+?
[01:12] <xxtreme> seveas= he doesn't have that yet
[01:12] <jasoncohen> Curlydave, one of the ideas of having a root user or using sudo is to make you think before using a command. so what are you trying to do?
[01:12] <Curlydave> jasoncohen: my bro said he rebooted his comp, and now all he gets when booting into gnome is a mouse cursor on a brown background
[01:12] <phinnaeus> hmmm
[01:12] <Curlydave> jasoncohen: i just want gnome working, and i don't know what i'm trying to do
[01:12] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, you use the hoary package - why not try gaim
[01:12] <Curlydave> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43617
[01:13] <Seveas> xxtreme, then he should upgrade to hoary
[01:13] <Curlydave> i'm doing what xine recommends on that post
[01:13] <Seveas> kde on warty will not be a fun ride
[01:13] <xxtreme> seveas= im taking him the right wat
[01:13] <apollo2011> jasoncohen:  I have gaim now but it doesn't have a search feature.  I don't see a ubuntu package for the actual AOL Aim
[01:13] <concept10> battlecat, I watched the whole thing, what do you need help with
[01:13] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, there isn't one
[01:14] <Seveas> xxtreme, not really, KDE on warty is NOT the right way...
[01:14] <t0lkman> anyone can suggest me some php editor?
[01:14] <jasoncohen> you need to download it from their site i think
[01:14] <jasoncohen> i don't believe debian has one either
[01:14] <apollo2011> jasoncohen: so should I try the Debian 2.1 or 3+?
[01:14] <ghostless> I'm having problems installing VMware...Has anyone here successfully installed it?
[01:14] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, you mean AIM's site has debian packages- try the most recent one - 3.1 if they have it
[01:15] <Seveas> t0lkman, vim
[01:15] <Razor-X> hmmm... is the Das keyboard really worth it...
[01:15] <jasoncohen> it probably won't work though- do they have a source package?
[01:15] <apollo2011> jasonchoen: yeah they have a linux version believe it or not
[01:15] <Seveas> Razor-X, yes :D
[01:15] <battlecat> concept10: I am looking to have a set of offline packages on CD.
[01:15] <jasoncohen> Curlydave, then follow the directions that guy gave you to create a root account
[01:15] <jasoncohen> Curlydave, i don't see why you can't do it with sudo
[01:15] <Razor-X> Seveas: but the Ctrl key is weighted at 60 grams
[01:15] <battlecat> concept10: I do not have a highspeed connection for hte linux box.
[01:15] <jasoncohen> and if gnome is broken, why re-install the entire system
[01:15] <jasoncohen> why not just gnome?
[01:15] <Razor-X> errrr, 80 rather
[01:16] <t0lkman> seveas one more thanks
[01:16] <concept10> battlecat, depends on what package you are looking for.  You can install from the cd using synaptic
[01:16] <Seveas> t0lkman, nvu (from backports)
[01:16] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, try the 3+
[01:16] <t0lkman> and one more question, there is something like macromedie dreamveaver for html WYSIWYG design ?
[01:16] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, though i wouldn't except good debian package from AOL
[01:16] <Seveas> t0lkman, nvu (from backports) <--
[01:17] <t0lkman> ok thanks
[01:17] <Razor-X> i've noticed something... the hardware 'geek' is nothing close to a true linux geek
[01:17] <ThE__OnE> someone help me, how can i play .avi files with ubuntu? I tried Totem, VLC(dont play audio), MPlayer.
[01:17] <Seveas> ThE__OnE: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[01:17] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, what do you mean gaim doesn't have a search feature?
[01:17] <Razor-X> ThE__OnE: what codec does it use?
[01:17] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, it's probably divx/xvid if you cannot play it
[01:17] <battlecat> concept10: okay I like that synaptic prog but what if I have no internet connection and want say cinepaint or kino?
[01:17] <Razor-X> Seveas: and what explains VLC?
[01:18] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, tools > search for buddies by email
[01:18] <apollo2011> jasonchoen: I would prefer not to use AOL software either.  gaim doesn't allow you to search for people's sn
[01:18] <apollo2011> hmm
[01:18] <djm62> oh damn,  apt-zip?
[01:18] <ThE__OnE> xvid is not playable?
[01:18] <AWatcher> I was reading this site: http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=ishield :::: and it says to type WINEDLLOVERRIDES="ole32=n" wine dcom98.exe to install DCOM98.  Now... Question is... if I grabbed dcom98.exe, how does wine know where to get it... I mean, I seen no directory change and path in this command;)
[01:18] <ThE__OnE> in ubuntu?
[01:18] <Seveas> ThE__OnE, not by default
[01:18] <Razor-X> why is the Ctrl key weighted at 80 grams?
[01:18] <Seveas> see the url I gave you
[01:18] <concept10> battlecat, if its not on the cd, you need a internet connection
[01:18] <Razor-X> ThE__OnE: see the wiki link Seveas gave you
[01:18] <ThE__OnE> ok
[01:18] <apollo2011> jasoncohen: hmm didn't see that because it is in a sub menu
[01:19] <djm62> concept10: battlecat: not necessarily...apt-cache show apt-zip
[01:19] <apollo2011> jasoncohen: screw the AOL software now!
[01:19] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, lol- what do you mean search for people's SN?
[01:19] <battlecat> concept10: I see. Well that means I go back to windows where I can DL progs and burn them to CD I guess damn
[01:19] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, you search by email- you add the SN, lol
[01:19] <apollo2011> yeah
[01:19] <concept10> battlecat, your connection doesnt work in linux?
[01:19] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, holy crap- i have 7 accounts on my old email address!
[01:19] <jasoncohen> finally a way to find all my accounts
[01:20] <Nard> ok guys
[01:20] <apollo2011> lol
[01:20] <battlecat> concept10: The computer running Linux is not connected to the network and frankly I dont want to go buy hardware to do so. I use it for offline work like graphics and such anyways.
[01:20] <AWatcher> does ubuntu have cvs installed automatically
[01:21] <jasoncohen> apollo2011, and gaim is constantly getting security updates... AIM's window software is crap. their linux stuff is probably even worse.
[01:21] <concept10> battlecat, you dont have a nic?
[01:21] <jasoncohen> AIM allows you to execute binaries and VB scripts by clicking on links - dumb shits
[01:21] <djm62> battlecat: apt-zip (possibly running the scripts on cygwin) will let you use apt without an internet connection
[01:21] <apollo2011> I know I didn't want to use AIM.  The AOL software is messed up countless of me and my friend's computers :-P
[01:21] <jasoncohen> AWatcher, i doubt it - apt-get install cvs
[01:22] <battlecat> concept10: I do not have one no.
[01:22] <battlecat> concept10: The computer I want to run Ubuntu doesnt even have a modem
[01:22] <Burrito> hi every1
[01:22] <Razor-X> anyone here use a Das keyboard?
[01:22] <jasoncohen> concept10, do you use ubuntu? we were just talking about #debian.
[01:22] <Burrito> does somebody have a tv capture card chipset saa7130?
[01:22] <battlecat> concept10: I has a nice set of ram a great video card and several external hard drives
[01:23] <jasoncohen> Burrito, the wonder of google - http://linux.bytesex.org/v4l2/saa7134.html
[01:23] <t0lkman> oh i have more questions... i have downloaded skype skype_1.1.0.13-1_i386.deb   how i install it? on fedora i did rpm - i
[01:23] <battlecat> concept10: What I am interested in are progs like inkscape and cinepaint and kino.
[01:23] <concept10> jasoncohen, I run alot of distros, ubuntu, bsd, debian and fedora
[01:24] <jasoncohen> Burrito, modprobe saa7134
[01:24] <concept10> jasoncohen, ubuntu desktop, everything else server
[01:24] <revildab[tm] > does installing kdebase still play havoc with the main gnome menu?
[01:24] <Burrito> but
[01:24] <Burrito> 7130=7134?
[01:24] <jasoncohen> concept10, i use debian sid on my desktop, sarge on my server
[01:24] <djm62> revildab[tm] : installing kubuntu-desktop?
[01:24] <Curlydave> jasoncohen: i got root working
[01:24] <Curlydave> jasoncohen: but now it's pulling the whole bullshit error,  run apt-get update to fix it
[01:24] <concept10> jasoncohen, im trying to learn *nix, not just a distro, thats why I frown on #debian guys for being rude to people
[01:25] <Curlydave> but apt-get update does stuff
[01:25] <Curlydave> but it doenst' fix it
[01:25] <jasoncohen> concept10, i'm waiting for breezy. hoary trashed my mdk install so i'm about leery of it and esd didn't work properly in hoary but it works fine in sid with gnome 2.10
[01:25] <ghostless> I am having trouble installing vmware...When I try to install it I get errors like "unable to copy file" or something else related to permissions...And I am running it with sudo...But it's like I don't have full privelages...Any ideas why?
[01:25] <revildab[tm] > djm62: no, just the base required files.  Im looking to install a wireless config that requires kde libraries, but i dont really want to do it if it will add unecessary entries to the gnome menu
[01:25] <jasoncohen> Curlydave, you shoudl apt-get update
[01:25] <concept10> jasoncohen, mdk?
[01:25] <jasoncohen> concept10, what do you use BSD for?
[01:25] <battlecat> :) Its been fun guys but it looks like it is back to WinXP for me.
[01:26] <mcquillg> I'm trying to compile something from source and I keep running into this configure error: checking size of long long... configure: error: cannot compute sizeof (long long), 77
[01:26] <jasoncohen> concept10, mandrake- now mandriva - used 9.1 through 2005 LE- then switched to debian
[01:26] <battlecat> Cant get any work done if I am tinkering with the OS all day
[01:26] <mcquillg> I haven't found a consistant answer for fixing it. Any ideas?
[01:26] <jasoncohen> battlecat, what's the problem?
[01:26] <concept10> jasoncohen, nothing currently - I have no use for it now, I will be setting up a server on it soon.
[01:26] <Curlydave> jasoncohen: i did apt-get update, like it said
[01:26] <djm62> battlecat: ach well, look in again in october...things are only improving
[01:26] <Curlydave> jasoncohen: that did alot of things
[01:26] <Curlydave> jasoncohen: however, fixing the problem was not one of them. it still did it again
[01:27] <concept10> jasoncohen, I have 4 boxes that are networked in my closet that I just screw around with, just trying to learn *nix
[01:28] <t0lkman> anyone please help me install skype ;[
[01:28] <jasoncohen> concept10, cool
[01:28] <jasoncohen> Curlydave, what exactly is the error?
[01:28] <netsurf> i love skype :)
[01:28] <mcquillg> Has anyone had a "sizeof (long long)" configure problem when compiling something from source?
[01:28] <djm62> gah...I guess tokenbad is working
[01:28] <t0lkman> netsurf,  help me use it ;] 
[01:29] <netsurf> whats the problem with it?
[01:29] <AWatcher> what is the wine system directory location?
[01:30] <yuacht> whereis wine
[01:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know how to configure the mail app in krellm?
[01:30] <AWatcher> that actually works
[01:30] <TokenBad> who was helping me with electricsheep i forgot his nick
[01:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> gkrellm even
[01:30] <AWatcher> ?
[01:30] <djm62> I've compiled the latest version of electricsheep as a .deb for hoary i386:  there's one error when installing (tries to overwrite file provided by xscreensaver), how do I fix that, and where can I constructively put the package?
[01:30] <yuacht> AWatcher, yupp
[01:30] <mcquillg> no love for source compilations?
[01:30] <ThE__OnE> so for sound to be played, i need to install it on ubuntu?
[01:30] <djm62> TokenBad: what gnus?
[01:30] <netsurf> t0lkman, what is your problem with it?
[01:30] <t0lkman> netsurf,  i can install the .deb on my amd64
[01:30] <TokenBad> djm62, it don't work just sits on that screen...never changes
[01:31] <t0lkman> i have downloaded it, what my next step?
[01:31] <mcquillg> Has anyone compiled anything on a Ubuntu system?
[01:31] <netsurf> t0lkman do you have the x64 package for it?
[01:31] <djm62> TokenBad: !
[01:31] <t0lkman> i am sitting and looking on the distrib ;] 
[01:31] <mcquillg> Problems, yes, no?
[01:31] <TokenBad> I let it sit for good 15 mins
[01:31] <t0lkman> netsurf,  i dunno, what was on the skype web site
[01:31] <TokenBad> which is more than it says should be
[01:31] <IFRFLYR> HI, little kismet help? Trying to find out why it's dying at "Unable to set up pidfile /var/run//kismet_server.pid, couldn't open for writing:" Erm.. I never set it at /var/run//kismet (how can I *unchange* it?)
[01:31] <netsurf> hmm
[01:31] <t0lkman> but on fedore i run it
[01:32] <djm62> TokenBad: I'm lost, then...mine didn't work for a while, then I did System->Lock Screen and it must have downloaded in between
[01:32] <t0lkman> so if there is 64bit version for fedora, i suppose there is also for ubunta
[01:32] <TokenBad> system lock screen?
[01:32] <TokenBad> what is that?
[01:33] <netsurf> so what does it do on attempted install?
[01:34] <t0lkman> i dunno even how to start install ;] 
[01:34] <t0lkman> i never have installed the .deb
[01:34] <stevenj> Is evince better than acrobat reader? thanks
[01:34] <netsurf> ahh
[01:34] <netsurf> lol
[01:34] <netsurf> hmm
[01:34] <djm62> TokenBad: System menu, menu item Lock Screen
[01:34] <netsurf> what is command for .deb install anyone?
[01:34] <rob^> was someone talking to me?
[01:34] <TokenBad> ok
[01:35] <QMario> Where can I get the Java plug-in for Mozilla Firefox?
[01:35] <djm62> TokenBad: saves on waiting for screensaver timeout
[01:35] <netsurf> t0lkman
[01:35] <IFRFLYR> netsurf: dpkg package
[01:35] <t0lkman> netsurf,  dunno
[01:35] <netsurf> tty
[01:35] <netsurf> ok
[01:35] <t0lkman> dpkg ?
[01:35] <t0lkman> ok i'll try
[01:35] <netsurf> so dpkg "exact name.deb"
[01:35] <netsurf> btw
[01:36] <netsurf> t0lkman
[01:36] <netsurf> http://forum.skype.com/viewtopic.php?t=10125
[01:36] <netsurf> check that out for 64bit
[01:36] <zerokills> netsurf: ummm, i havent used it before, ive heard: 'alien -i packagename' is used for .deb files
[01:36] <t0lkman> hmm netsurf  let's me see
[01:36] <t0lkman> becouse mine isi skype_1.1.0.13-1_i386.deb
[01:37] <AWatcher> I downlaoded a fair amount of programs as rpm, and now that i have ubuntu, I'd like to keep those ones I already have... can it work? I am dialupper
[01:37] <netsurf> ya so should be "sudo dpkg -Uvh skype_1.1.0.13-1_i386.deb
[01:37] <phinnaeus> can someone help me access files off of my second hard drive?
[01:38] <netsurf> is that right anyone?
[01:38] <tanek> AWatcher: you mean to convert .rpm to .deb?
[01:38] <Nelo> The update manager has been wanting to upgrade my kernel headers for some time now but each and every time I receive the following error: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.10-5-386_2.6.10-34.2_i386.deb:  trying to overwrite `/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko', which is also in package ndiswrapper-modules-2.6.10-5-386  any ideas what to do?
[01:38] <Razor-X> AWatcher: try using alien
[01:38] <phinnaeus> please?
[01:38] <t0lkman> netsurf,
[01:38] <t0lkman> oot@atilian:/home/t0lkman/Desktop # dpkg -i skype_1.1.0.13-1_i386.deb
[01:38] <t0lkman> dpkg: error processing skype_1.1.0.13-1_i386.deb (--install):
[01:38] <t0lkman>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[01:38] <t0lkman> Errors were encountered while processing:
[01:38] <t0lkman>  skype_1.1.0.13-1_i386.deb
[01:38] <t0lkman> that is what i got
[01:38] <Razor-X> uggghhh!
[01:38] <QMario> Phinnaeus, shouldn't show as a filesystem?
[01:38] <Curlydave> jasoncohen: oh, no error
[01:38] <Razor-X> no spamming!
[01:38] <netsurf> ahhhhh
[01:38] <Razor-X> if you have more than 3 lines of output, please post in #flood or pastebin
[01:38] <QMario> Phinnaeus, shouldn't it show as a filesystem?
[01:38] <Curlydave> jasoncohen: just nothign mroe than a mouse cursor, unless i do failsafe terminal, in which case i get a terminal in teh corna
[01:39] <phinnaeus> QMario, no it is only showing one filesystem
[01:39] <tanek> AWatcher: if that is what you mean, then: sudo apt-get install alien fakeroot&&fakeroot alien *.rpm
[01:39] <phinnaeus> it is fat
[01:39] <phinnaeus> fat32
[01:39] <netsurf> t0lkman, did you read the forum instructions?
[01:39] <AWatcher> convert rpm to deb using that alien?
[01:39] <t0lkman> netsurf,  am doing that now ;] 
[01:39] <Razor-X> t0lkman: isn't it obvious?
[01:39] <netsurf> lol
[01:39] <netsurf> ok
[01:39] <QMario> Maybe only Linux compatible filesystems show or it is hidden?
[01:39] <Razor-X> do you know what architecture is, t0lkman?
[01:39] <Razor-X> QMario: vfat has been Linux compatible for quite a while
[01:40] <t0lkman> Razor-X,  but why i hadn't troubles with fedore?
[01:40] <phinnaeus> QMario, so how can i get it to show?
[01:40] <Razor-X> and, Linux has been installed on FAT16 partitons, read up on UMSDOS
[01:40] <netsurf> fedore is rpm is it not?
[01:40] <liz4rd> how do i set KDM to default instead of GDM
[01:40] <Razor-X> t0lkman: do you know the concept of architecture?
[01:40] <QMario> I don't know. Have you searched on google?
[01:40] <t0lkman> Razor-X,  no
[01:40] <t0lkman> netsurf,  yes it is
[01:40] <Razor-X> t0lkman: you do understand that an AMD64 is different from an i386
[01:40] <t0lkman> netsurf,  there is very simple to installl
[01:41] <t0lkman> Razor-X,  understand...
[01:41] <phinnaeus> no i thought i would come here first
[01:41] <t0lkman> Razor-X,  so what to do?
[01:41] <netsurf> tolkma, i know i use suse
[01:41] <Razor-X> the AMD64 is a 64 bit chipset, the x86 system of processors are 32 bit
[01:41] <t0lkman> netsurf,  in suse also rpm ?
[01:41] <Razor-X> t0lkman: use skype_1.1.0.13-1_amd64.deb if there is one
[01:42] <t0lkman> Razor-X,  and if there isn't ?
[01:42] <Razor-X> did you buy this computer from a store and not know that it's AMD64?
[01:42] <t0lkman> can i install their 64bit rpm version on ubuntu?
[01:42] <QMario> Phinnaeus, try this site: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ptopic38580.html
[01:42] <Razor-X> t0lkman: either complle it, or you're out of luck
[01:42] <Razor-X> t0lkman: yeahp
[01:42] <netsurf> t0lkman, yes suse is rpm based i am talking to you on it now :P
[01:42] <t0lkman> of course i know that my computer has 64bit
[01:42] <Razor-X> netsurf: ewww, that shit distro?
[01:43] <netsurf> thanks
[01:43] <SysFail> why the hell would you be in here on suse?
[01:43] <netsurf> so kind
[01:43] <Razor-X> t0lkman: odd that you didn't know what in i386 i
[01:43] <liz4rd> how do i set KDM to default instead of GDM
[01:43] <QMario> Phinnaeus, look at this one too: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-34450.html
[01:43] <Razor-X> netsurf: well, it really is a crap distro
[01:43] <netsurf> coz i got a question on ubuntu 64bit
[01:43] <Razor-X> holds your hand even more than Fedora
[01:43] <phinnaeus> oh thanks QMario
[01:43] <netsurf> lol true
[01:43] <netsurf> i suppose
[01:43] <t0lkman> Razor-X,  so any ideas how to install skype on ubuntu 64bit ?
[01:44] <Razor-X> t0lkman: use alien, i'm assuming you know how to bring up the manual page for its syntax
[01:44] <QMario> Your welcome. :)
[01:44] <SysFail> alien works like a dream
[01:44] <Razor-X> SysFail: not always, not always ;)
[01:44] <SysFail> its never failed me yet
[01:44] <SysFail> works perfect
[01:44] <t0lkman> Razor-X,  bad help from you
[01:45] <Razor-X> t0lkman: mmmm?
[01:45] <skywater> hello. is it possible for ubuntu to connect to a windows networking?
[01:45] <Razor-X> I don't just give people a command, I tend to try to teach them something so that they don't ask a variation of the question in the future
[01:45] <AWatcher> alien works like a dream eh'?
[01:45] <SpecialBuddy> how can I write to NTFS
[01:45] <t0lkman> Razor-X,  in fact all what did you say here, didnt help me ;[
[01:45] <SpecialBuddy> ?
[01:45] <Razor-X> but, impatient people don't like that ;)
[01:45] <Razor-X> t0lkman: did you use alien?
[01:46] <djm62> SpecialBuddy: there is a thing called captiventfs
[01:46] <Razor-X> it seems most people want a command, and then leave ;)
[01:46] <t0lkman> Razor-X,  i am reading manual now ;] 
[01:46] <AWatcher> maybe I should grab all the contents of my FC2 DVD and convert the good rpm's to alien;)
[01:46] <SpecialBuddy> do I have to download that?
[01:46] <netsurf> ooohh
[01:46] <Razor-X> t0lkman: ahhh, then, it should be pretty easy
[01:46] <SpecialBuddy> do I have to download that?
[01:46] <t0lkman> Razor-X,  let's see ;] 
[01:46] <djs> t0lkman, I understand there is a way to run 32 bit apps on AMD64 using chroot (unfortunately that's all I know but google should know more)
[01:46] <Razor-X> djm62: you have to recompile the kernel for Captive-NTFS in Ubuntu
[01:46] <djm62> SpecialBuddy: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
[01:46] <netsurf> would apt get have skype 64bit?
[01:46] <Razor-X> djs: oh yeah, I forgot about that...
[01:46] <t0lkman> djs thanks to you too
[01:46] <Nelo> I've been trying to install the linux-image-2.6.10-5-386 update, but I get an error stating that linux-image is  trying to overwrite the ndiswrapper.ko? anu ideas how to fix this?
[01:47] <djm62> SpecialBuddy: no need to repeat, and this comes with the severe caveat that Razor-X mentioned
[01:47] <truz24> Is there a reason why DMA is turned off when i restart for my CDROMS?
[01:47] <SpecialBuddy> thanks
[01:47] <crush> I'm having the same problem with ndiswrapper.
[01:47] <Gskillet> truz24 you have to add it to your boot file
[01:48] <Razor-X> odd... no-one here uses a Das Keyboard
[01:48] <djs> skywater: yes there is.  Have a look at Places -> Network Servers
[01:48] <djm62> SpecialBuddy: you probably just should treat ntfs as read-only...it's a closed system and not reliable
[01:48] <netsurf> ok my question anyone had a problem with grub? on 64bit platform
[01:48] <SpecialBuddy> what do I do at this site
[01:48] <netsurf> mine cannor mount the system
[01:48] <Gskillet> truz24 read this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA?highlight=%28DMA%29
[01:48] <Razor-X> netsurf: 64 bit really isn't working for you, is it?
[01:48] <netsurf> lol no
[01:48] <crush> I'm guessing that you'd have to remove the driver, update with the wired connection and setup ndis again.
[01:48] <Gskillet> truz24 it has a section at the bottom on making DMA start on boot
[01:49] <crush> I haven't tried it yet though.
[01:49] <Razor-X> netsurf: pastebin your menu.lst
[01:49] <netsurf> but then it is a friends i am helping with ubuntu
[01:49] <zukalk> Nelo, i had that problem too. there's probably an easier way to solve it, but i simply uninstalled ndiswrapper and updated the linux-image, then reinstalled ndiswrapper :p
[01:49] <netsurf> pastbin?
[01:49] <AWatcher> how can I query to see if I got cvs in ubuntu?
[01:49] <masterloki> hi there does anybody know how to mount fat 4 all users
[01:50] <masterloki> ??
[01:50] <Razor-X> netsurf: pastebin, yeah
[01:50] <netsurf> whats that lol sorry
[01:50] <Razor-X> it's a site you can paste stuff too
[01:50] <netsurf> ahhhh
[01:50] <Razor-X> AWatcher: a simple man cvs
[01:50] <djs> AWatcher, do you mean whether it's installed or whether it's available?
[01:50] <djm62> SpecialBuddy: I can't help you anymore than that site can, I'm afraid.  you can transfer data with a removable hdd formatted to FAT or a FAT partition, running captive-ntfs isn't recommended unless you really know your stuff
[01:50] <Razor-X> netsurf: you mean, till now you've been flooding the channel? ;)
[01:50] <AWatcher> its installed... whether its installed...
[01:51] <Nelo> crush found the solution check http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37586
[01:51] <phinnaeus> hey doesn anyone know if there is a way to change the mount point of an hdd?
[01:51] <Cybermagellan> Do we have an ubuntu font?
[01:51] <yuacht> phinnaeus, sure
[01:51] <Cybermagellan> Like the logo?
[01:51] <GNULinuxer> phinnaeus> there is
[01:51] <netsurf> ooops sorry
[01:51] <Razor-X> SpecialBuddy: repartition the NTFS, and shrink it to include a small FAT partition
[01:51] <yuacht> phinnaeus, just use umount /dev/device and then remount it
[01:51] <GNULinuxer> Razor-X> hi dude
[01:51] <phinnaeus> oh ok
[01:51] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer: hey
[01:51] <phinnaeus> thanks yuacht
[01:51] <netsurf> razor-x not very accustom to the chatrooms and there toys :P
[01:52] <djm62> phinnaeus: you can unmount it and mount it elsewhere.  if you want to change persistently, it's in /etc/fstab but remember to create the mount point
[01:52] <SpecialBuddy> thanks for the help
[01:52] <fidget> does anyone know the comand line to open the screen resolution gui?
[01:52] <Razor-X> netsurf: heh, well, you sohulda read the topic
[01:52] <Burrito> hi
[01:52] <djs> AWatcher, yes "man cvs" in a terminal window would confirm
[01:52] <Burrito> i have a question
[01:52] <GNULinuxer> Burrito> ya
[01:52] <fidget> does anyone know the comand line to open the screen resolution gui?
[01:52] <netsurf> razor-x ???
[01:52] <Burrito> where is this: /path/to/kernel/source/tree ??
[01:52] <Razor-X> no-one here uses a Das Keyboard? if it's so good, where's the non-proprietary testimonials from Linux users?
[01:53] <Razor-X> netsurf: .............. IRC channels have topics
[01:53] <Razor-X> *shoulda
[01:53] <djm62> Razor-X: nobody buys a special keyboard...
[01:53] <netsurf> lol
[01:53] <netsurf> ya
[01:53] <djm62> too generic
[01:53] <GNULinuxer> fidget> gnome-display-properties
[01:53] <Razor-X> djm62: I use a Dvorak one, meself, and a trackball
[01:53] <fidget> aye much thanks GNU
[01:53] <Razor-X> I buy a special keyboard
[01:53] <djm62> Razor-X: bah, proves the rule ;)
[01:54] <Razor-X> it's the only way to compute, everything personalized to my tastes
[01:54] <Razor-X> ;)
[01:54] <Burrito> GNULinuxer?
[01:54] <GNULinuxer> Burgundavia> what is your q?
[01:54] <Razor-X> most people bitch at me saying that Dvorak isn't standardized, I don't give a crap
[01:54] <GNULinuxer> Burrito> what is your q?
[01:54] <Razor-X> my everything is configured to my personal preference
[01:54] <Burrito>  where is this: /path/to/kernel/source/tree ??
[01:54] <netsurf> ok g2g now will ask anothertime
[01:54] <netsurf> bye
[01:54] <linlin> I need to add a second DHCP obtained IP address to my machine. How can I do this?
[01:55] <Razor-X> OS, terminal emulator, Word-Typesetter (no, I don't use a word procesor), mouse, keyboard, everything
[01:55] <GNULinuxer> Burrito> /usr/src/linux
[01:55] <Razor-X> that's the beauty of Linux -- total customization
[01:55] <Burrito> ok
[01:55] <GNULinuxer> Razor-X> you use LaTeX ?
[01:55] <Burrito> thanks
[01:55] <djm62> Razor-X: end up like teco...unusable by anyone else :)
[01:55] <djm62> he uses lyx, I bet
[01:56] <dabaR> linlin, what do you need?
[01:56] <Burrito> thats like C:/Windows in windows?
[01:56] <GNULinuxer> Burrito> no
[01:56] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer: would rather die than use Word anymore ;)
[01:56] <dabaR> do you have 2 NICs on your computer?
[01:56] <linlin> i need to get a second ip address that points to the same machine
[01:56] <Burrito> what is then?
[01:56] <linlin> no just one
[01:56] <GNULinuxer> Burrito> windows doesn't have a source tree any where
[01:56] <dabaR> well, htf would that work::)
[01:56] <Razor-X> djm62: this machine is pretty unusable, Dvorak+Linux+trackball
[01:56] <Razor-X> and with a keyless keyboard, it's even better
[01:56] <GNULinuxer> Burrito> what exactly is your query about?
[01:56] <dabaR> what you want, I think is virtual servers...am I getting anywhere with that?
[01:57] <Razor-X> still, if the Ctrl key is weighted too much... my emacs'ing will get disrupted
[01:57] <Razor-X> and I can't have that, now can I? ;)
[01:57] <GNULinuxer> Razor-X> is there a good ssh shell emulator for emacs?
[01:57] <Razor-X> GNULinuxer: unfortunately... no :(
[01:58] <GNULinuxer> Razor-X> oops
[01:58] <Razor-X> lemme look it up, though
[01:58] <djm62> Razor-X: more power to your elbow...I just have a large .emacs and .zshrc so the terminal implements DWIM ;)
[01:58] <Razor-X> djm62: a ZSH user, eh? heh, I use BASH meself
[01:58] <Razor-X> I may switch to ZSH though...
[01:58] <dabaR> linlin, for what do you need that?
[01:58] <exalted> Hi, what was the meta-package name to install all development tools at once?
[01:58] <GNULinuxer> exalted> build-essentials
[01:58] <Burrito> GNULinuxer>
[01:58] <icasaracht> does anyone know anything about ndiswrapper
[01:58] <SmokingFire> athlon kernel or intel kernel on amd athlon board that supports sse
[01:58] <exalted> GNULinuxer, thank you
[01:59] <Razor-X> icasaracht: there's a wiki entry on that
[01:59] <Burrito> what does this means? -->make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[01:59] <Burrito> make: *** [default]  Error 2
[01:59] <linlin> because i do :), is there a way to do it or no?
[01:59] <GNULinuxer> Burrito> why do you want to know that?
[01:59] <Razor-X> and, to most people's surprise, everything on my computer follows an ANSI standard
[01:59] <Burrito> look, i have a tv card and y want to set it up
[01:59] <Razor-X> icasaracht: don't remember offhand, google 'ndiswrapper ubuntu' and you'll find it ;)
[01:59] <crush> I have ndis wrapper installed and working.
[01:59] <GNULinuxer> Burrito> talk privately
[02:00] <crush> What's your quetsion about it?
[02:00] <Razor-X> about the ANSI standard... it's more than a Windows user can boast about ;)
[02:00] <dabaR> linlin, I dont think exactly as you are visualizing it(I may be wrong, I dont think so, tho...) If you tell me what you are trying to acomplish, I may be able to tell you how it is implemented within computers.
[02:01] <dabaR> is it to do with web hosting?
[02:01] <linlin> ok, what i want to do is have one ip address on my server DMZ'd in my router, then, on a seperate ip address protected by nat still, i want to run the sshd and all the other daemons that i want on my lan, but not out on the big bad internet
[02:02] <flodine> a guys i need a progarm so take screenshot from the terminal help
[02:02] <cthulfuego> flodine: import -window root ss.png; install imagemagick
[02:02] <dabaR> I do that with two NICs, I think, if I get what you are saying, a network that interfaces the internet only on one computer, and is internally connected to other computers at home...
[02:03] <Curlydave> fuck this
[02:03] <Curlydave> i'm just reformatting
[02:03] <Curlydave> the HD's still accessable
[02:03] <linlin> yes, but i only have one nic
[02:03] <dabaR> so you get an IP address for each NIC.
[02:03] <linlin> i know its possible
[02:03] <dabaR> ok, good luck:)
[02:03] <linlin> ive had dedicated servers with more than 1 ip address and only one nic before
[02:04] <cthulfuego> Yes, just add an ip to eth0:1
[02:04] <linlin> how?
[02:04] <cthulfuego> ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.10.10
[02:04] <linlin> and is there a way to make that ip address assigned by DHCP ?
[02:04] <cthulfuego> Done
[02:04] <cthulfuego> linlin: yes, via interface s5)
[02:04] <cthulfuego> linlin: yes, via interfaces (5)
[02:05] <SmokingFire> I saw this bounty hound for Ubuntu. Its about Ubuntu and giving apt-get a "click and go"  feel like Lindows/Linspire does.
[02:05] <linlin> SmokingFire, yeah except ubuntu isnt gay :)
[02:05] <SpecialBuddy> what should I do if I want to install windows xp now
[02:05] <ShadowWlf> Anyone have any idea on a prob where programs close themselves (trying to help a friend)  Xchat and irrsi keeps self terminating, and /var/logs/ it said root had a crontab to killall xchat irssi.   that hadn't been set, and when look at the crontab jobs, it doesn't show anything like that in there
[02:05] <dabaR> hey, linlin, you are gay?
[02:05] <nbx909|linux> hello
[02:06] <linlin> noo
[02:06] <dabaR> haha...
[02:06] <linlin> :(
[02:06] <linlin> how do i use this interfaces (5) thing?
[02:06] <SpecialBuddy> What should I do if I want to install windows xp and make a dual partition
[02:06] <SpecialBuddy> ?
[02:06] <cthulfuego> linlin: type 'man 5 interfaces' alnd look at the examplea and documentation.
[02:07] <nbx909|linux> i was wondering how well ubentu would run with 128mb of ram and 750 mhz processor
[02:07] <SmokingFire> linlin: I was was thinking of ubuntu merging its apt - get data with gnome files.
[02:07] <cthulfuego> linlin: Also see /etc/network/interfaces and compare to what is already there.
[02:07] <yuacht> nbx909|linux, depends on what you're using it for
[02:07] <flodine> cthulfueg i installed image but how do i take the shot
[02:07] <cthulfuego> nbx909|linux: Should be OK, but more tram would be better.
[02:07] <cthulfuego> flodine: ;man import'
[02:07] <dabaR> SpecialBuddy www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/frontpage/searchwiki windows.
[02:08] <linlin> linlin:~# ifconfig eth0:1 192.168.10.10
[02:08] <linlin> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
[02:08] <linlin> SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such device
[02:08] <SpecialBuddy> thanks dabar
[02:08] <Curlydave> ubuntu=a pain in the fucking ass
[02:08] <linlin> whats that mean
[02:08] <cthulfuego> Do you have an eth0 ?
[02:08] <lmh> does anybody have a clue about xinerama and multihead?
[02:08] <Curlydave> it's good until gnome breaks
[02:08] <linlin> yes
[02:08] <dabaR> Curlydave that is why I use debian...
[02:08] <SmokingFire> SpecialBuddy: Insrtalling winxp after or before (linux) Ubuntu?
[02:08] <cthulfuego> Curlydave: Are you using breezy?
[02:08] <ThE__OnE> how come i cant get audio from a avi video file?
[02:08] <ThE__OnE> how cna i fix that?
[02:08] <gm78> Curlydave : OK, then why are you here? :P
[02:09] <nbx909|linux> install windows before linux always
[02:09] <SpecialBuddy> after
[02:09] <SpecialBuddy> I tried doing it that way and it kept screwing it up
[02:09] <yuacht> ThE__OnE, depends on what your issue is... you only trying to play that avi or u have music playing in the background?
[02:09] <Kim_Hagey> Umm, This is the first time I've ever seen ubuntu and was wondering where I can go to get info on how it all works...
[02:09] <cthulfuego> linlin: Did you compile your own kernel?
[02:09] <Razor-X> screen doesen't work with emacs
[02:09] <Razor-X> how said -_-
[02:09] <macarthy> hi all
[02:09] <linlin> nope
[02:09] <ThE__OnE> the avi has audi, iam sure of it because its amovie
[02:09] <cthulfuego> Razor-X: Surely emacs has _builtin_ screen functionality.
[02:09] <Dj_AlTeK> boo!
[02:09] <copilot> Kim_Hagey, http://www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:09] <macarthy> what is the apt command to find the package that has file X
[02:10] <Kim_Hagey> thanks
[02:10] <Razor-X> cthulfuego: well, what if I have a screen session running for compatibility's sake?
[02:10] <revildab[tm] > anyone know a good wireless configuration utility for gnome?
[02:10] <dabaR> haha, that is a nice place to learn how it all works...
[02:10] <netsniper> Anyone help me with gdesklet-startermenu not working?
[02:10] <SmokingFire> SpecialBuddy and all of the channel please link to this site: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[02:10] <dabaR> try ubuntu.com
[02:10] <netsniper> revildab[tm] , the built in one
[02:10] <cthulfuego> macarthy: dpkg -S /path/to/file (if it's installed) otherwise 'apt-file' or '/msg ubotu find <file>'
[02:10] <macarthy> thanks
[02:10] <cthulfuego> Razor-X: That's not The Emacs Way[tm] 
[02:11] <ThE__OnE> SmokingFire, that guide need serious update
[02:11] <revildab[tm] > doesnt support wpa-psk :\, at least not under the gui, i dont know where the config files themselves are stored
[02:11] <Razor-X> cthulfuego: true... I don't know why the hell i'm ranting about 'compatibility'
[02:11] <lmh> do you have a clue about merging 2 monitors with the radeon - driver?
[02:11] <cthulfuego> Razor-X: ;-)
[02:11] <Razor-X> but, the reason I used screen up till know is that, I can leave my sessions up forever
[02:11] <netsniper> revildab[tm] , your loinux driver may not support WPA anyways
[02:11] <lmh> nobody?
[02:12] <Razor-X> cthulfuego: as I said above, my whole user environment is uncomon (yet ANSI standardized)
[02:12] <Razor-X> so i'm proud to be the utmost non-conformist and the utmost in standardization
[02:12] <macarthy> apt-file is another package?
[02:12] <netsniper> revildab[tm] , also -- all wifi encryption is easily crackable -- just use MAC filtering instead -- some people may not be able to used your network if their drivers dont support WPA -- mine doesnt even in windows
[02:12] <cthulfuego> macarthy: yep
[02:12] <SmokingFire> ThE__OnE: It doesn't matter that much as ubuntu --> linux -->unix --> hasn't changed in 20 years.
[02:13] <cthulfuego> macarthy: it downloads package lists so it can search for files. if it's a once off, /msg ubotu find foo might be quicker.
[02:13] <Razor-X> SmokingFire: a _tad_ bit wrong ;)
[02:13] <Curlydave> gm78: because my bro's comp runs linux for some reason
[02:13] <netsniper> yea, really wrong -- look at CDE compared to Gnome 2.10 !
[02:13] <Razor-X> Ubuntu --> Linux --> Minix --> Unix
[02:13] <macarthy> cthulfuego, what the hell is /msg?
[02:13] <cthulfuego> macarthy: A command.
[02:13] <Curlydave> gm78: and it was working breat until gnome broke
[02:13] <Razor-X> macarthy: is today your first day on IRC?
[02:14] <dabaR> an IRC command
[02:14] <Razor-X> i've learned something helping out on this channel
[02:14] <cthulfuego> macarthy: A way to commuinicate with an irc user or bot privately.
[02:14] <macarthy> oh sorry !
[02:14] <macarthy> though you meant in the command line
[02:14] <cthulfuego> Razor-X: there is nothing at all someone won't break "by accident" due to wilfullness?
[02:14] <Razor-X> intelligence isn't guaged by class, or by many other things, it's one's capability to change when convinced one thing is better to the other without obsessive pushing
[02:14] <flodine> a guys i just put ubuntu on a dell laptop with a linksys wireless-G adapter but no connection help
[02:14] <ThE__OnE> ok, i cant get audio working, can someone help?
[02:15] <gm78> Kim_Hagey : www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:15] <Razor-X> which the majority of denizens on planet Earth don't do ;)
[02:15] <macarthy> too tired....
[02:15] <flodine> anyone on a wireless card
[02:15] <cthulfuego> flodine: You'll need to find out what driveer that card needs and then install it (may require ndiswrapper and windows driver)
[02:15] <netsniper> flodine, me -- and hey i rmemeber you
[02:16] <flodine> well where do i get the drivers from
[02:16] <netsniper> floater, what card?
[02:16] <flodine> and are the linux drivers or winblow
[02:16] <ThE__OnE> hello?
[02:16] <_Simon> can someone help me with smbpasswd please? I'm trying to add an account, I don't have an /etc/samba/smbusers, should I?
[02:16] <cthulfuego> flodine: That ddpends on the card model, which we can't look up for you. Google is your friend.
[02:16] <_Simon> I created one but it still doesn't work
[02:16] <flipy> hi!
[02:17] <flodine> ok
[02:17] <flipy> is there any chance to install ubuntu64 on a bios-raid?
[02:17] <flodine> google where are you
[02:17] <ThE__OnE> when i go to Multimedia Systems Selecter, the test botton does'nt work in audio
[02:17] <flodine> come here boy
[02:17] <cthulfuego> flipy: If there are binary-only linux drivers from the manufacturer, yes. but even then you don't _want_ to.
[02:18] <flipy> but I've to keep my current raid array
[02:18] <cthulfuego> flipy: Then I reckon you're out of luck.
[02:18] <flipy> oh I see... :(
[02:18] <cthulfuego> flipy: Can you back up the data on the array, then do an install with kernel software raid?
[02:18] <SmokingFire> I love ubuntu but I have no ideas of its business plan do any of you do?
[02:19] <flipy> but I've to use m$ for some programs @ university
[02:19] <cthulfuego> SmokingFire: When to start making profits, they're going to invest them in a dairy herd and start a cheese farm.
[02:19] <lmh> ------- Anybody with a clue about multihead / xinerama / two monitors on a radeon-card?
[02:19] <amonkey> can i have multiple instances of totem open?
[02:19] <Razor-X> wtf!
[02:19] <Razor-X> why did Alt stop behaving like meta................... -_-
[02:20] <gm78> SmokingFire : I'm reconning (yes, i spelled that wrong) they are going to target the African Software market, since Red Hat doesn't offer support in Africa and I don't think Novell does either.
[02:20] <transgress> that'll be handy when i run off to jamaica
[02:20] <_Simon> does smbpasswd -a add lines to smbusers? because nothing happens when I fill out a password
[02:20] <gm78> SmokingFire : much the same way Red Hat gained the North American Linux Market
[02:20] <transgress> and novell the european...
[02:20] <transgress> who has asia?
[02:20] <ThE__OnE> Can someone help me pleasee?
[02:21] <transgress> No Speak Of that Linux?
[02:21] <transgress> ThE__OnE: with what?
[02:21] <gm78> transgress : asianux and red carpet linux
[02:21] <ThE__OnE> my audio never plays in the video file
[02:21] <Aegir> Quick question, is their anything in particular to watch out for when doing an upgrade to Breezy?
[02:21] <ThE__OnE> infact i cant play the avi file in any other program other than VLC
[02:21] <transgress> ThE__OnE: what video format is it/
[02:21] <gm78> ThE__OnE : lol, u need an easier to type name. what program r u using
[02:21] <ThE__OnE> VLC
[02:21] <transgress> gm78: it's called the tab button
[02:22] <Razor-X> gm78: you don't use tab-complete?
[02:22] <ThE__OnE> the avi file dont play in either totem or mplayer
[02:22] <transgress> ThE__OnE: vlc isn't a video format... avi is... so umm... you got the w32codecs?
[02:22] <HrdwrBoB> transgress: strictly avi is not a video format either, it's a container
[02:22] <ThE__OnE> VLC does'nt need codecs
[02:22] <flodine> ok guys anyone got the linksys wireless-G wpc54g working in linux
[02:22] <gm78> transgress : lol, didnt know gaim could do that, thx for the tip
[02:22] <transgress> HrdwrBoB: shut up.  ;)
[02:22] <SmokingFire> cthulfuego  , gm78: I really wonder what they want to make money of.... HP now supports Ubuntu as I gathered from slashdot. But they unlike RH offer servers versions for free.
[02:22] <ThE__OnE> VLC program plays the video but no audio
[02:23] <flodine> import -window root ss.png; install
[02:23] <flodine>                      imagemagick
[02:23] <transgress> ThE__OnE: but you are asking about totem and mplayer ...
[02:23] <dane> does anyone know if it matters if you install ubuntu as root during setup?
[02:23] <gm78> ThE__OnE: try installing the win32codecs from mplayerhq.hu
[02:23] <transgress> and i'm not real familiar with vlc... but i'd imagine it has to have something to play certain file types
[02:23] <bob_> does any one have a guide to setting up ubuntu to connect to a 2k3 AD server? ...as a client?
[02:23] <ThE__OnE> i cant get any audio playing in ubuntu in general
[02:23] <dane> hey
[02:23] <transgress> ThE__OnE: no actually grab the w32codecs from the repo from marillat... it'll be a bit more... standard.
[02:23] <dane> what driver do you have the
[02:23] <gm78> ThE__OnE: is ur sound card supported in linux normally?
[02:23] <transgress> ThE__OnE: does sound play at all?
[02:24] <ThE__OnE> how am  i supposed ot know that? lol
[02:24] <transgress> well there are start up sounds
[02:24] <dane> bugzilla and wiki has fixes
[02:24] <SmokingFire> I really think that Ubuntu is much better then xandros, Lindows, mandrake or what ever
[02:24] <ThE__OnE> well it makes noices when logging in and logging out
[02:24] <dane> what soundcard do u have
[02:24] <transgress> okay so sound does work... i'm betting money on it being an integrated sound card
[02:24] <ThE__OnE> i know know =/
[02:24] <ThE__OnE> dont
[02:24] <bob_> lspci
[02:24] <bob_> ...and find out
[02:24] <ThE__OnE> i dont know =/
[02:24] <dane> do u have another os it works for?
[02:24] <likkashot> I quick question is the Cpu frequency monitor realy working
[02:25] <gm78> the
[02:25] <likkashot> it tells me I got a 1ghz
[02:25] <transgress> likkashot: what do you have?
[02:25] <gm78> likkashot: what kind of cpu u got?
[02:25] <likkashot> AMD64
[02:25] <ThE__OnE> Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[02:25] <transgress> dear god what the fuck happened to good grammar?
[02:25] <likkashot> 3500+
[02:25] <transgress> ThE__OnE: it's in the marillat repo
[02:25] <gm78> ThE__OnE: u need to grab it from another repository
[02:25] <transgress> likkashot: is it a laptop?
[02:25] <likkashot> no
[02:26] <Nard> ok i need someone who will walk me step by step on the installation of skype because i can't figure out how to do it
[02:26] <SmokingFire> bob_: I don't know but check out http://ubuntuguide.org/
[02:26] <ThE__OnE> which repository?
[02:26] <bob_> SmokingFire, thanks... will do
[02:26] <transgress> Nard: umm i think there is a wiki
[02:26] <Nard> really
[02:26] <doonz> do ipods work under ubuntu?
[02:26] <transgress> ThE__OnE: MARILLAT
[02:26] <lmh> does anybody have a clue on how to setup two monitors on a dual-head graphics-card to merge them?
[02:26] <dane> there is a wiki and bugzilla
[02:26] <gm78> ThE__OnE: http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#codecs
[02:26] <ThE__OnE> whats the link to it?
[02:26] <SpecialBuddy> how do you uninstall something
[02:26] <netsniper> doonz, yes, gtkpod
[02:26] <transgress> lmh: yeah grab the ati control thingy... it makes it easier
[02:27] <likkashot> 1ghz is less then half my cpu :(
[02:27] <Nard> i've looked at the wiki and everything and i can't figure it out
[02:27] <gm78> SpecialBuddy: sudo apt-get remove package or remove it in synaptic
[02:27] <transgress> ThE__OnE: GOOGLE UBUNTU RESTRICTED CODECS
[02:27] <cthulfuego> lmh: Yeah, I used to run like that on a Matrox card with _open_ drivers. Google helped me a lot.
[02:27] <lmh> transgress: did that, still doesnt work
[02:27] <transgress> lmh: linux gods hate you?
[02:27] <lmh> cthulfuego: read a lot
[02:27] <Cybermagellan> Are there any programs to make fonts in Linux?
[02:27] <transgress> lmh: is the card detected properly?
[02:27] <lmh> transgress: aparently
[02:27] <lmh> no
[02:27] <SpecialBuddy> synaptic is the place to uninstall and install then?
[02:27] <transgress> well that's probably the problem then
[02:28] <transgress> lmh: did you follow the wiki on installing it?
[02:28] <lmh> transgress: is a his card with a radeon 9550 chipset
[02:28] <djm62> TokenBad: are you still having no luck?
[02:28] <lmh> transgress: yes
[02:28] <ThE__OnE> transgress, calm down iam new at this ok?
[02:28] <gm78> likkashot: query me and post the output of cat /proc/cpuinfo
[02:28] <transgress> lmh: that wasn't a sentence.  and try this "locate nvidia.ko" and tell me if it returns anything
[02:28] <gm78> ThE__OnE: I opened a private chat with u, talk to me there, k?
[02:28] <zyth> Burrito!
[02:29] <lmh> no, card has an ATI Radeon 9550, no NVidia
[02:29] <Burrito> whats up?
[02:29] <transgress> lmh: i'm aware of this.  run the command anyway.
[02:29] <dane> for the 1st time everthing on my computer works under linux!!!
[02:29] <Burrito> zyth?
[02:29] <zyth> omg
[02:29] <dane> laff
[02:29] <zyth> Burrito, I was just saying the word, cause I am eating one, i didn't realise someone had it as a nick
[02:29] <zyth> sorry :)
[02:29] <transgress> dane: well mine's been that way for a while... but still... that's why i'm about to go to freebsd and try to make it all work heh
[02:29] <likkashot> vendor_id       : AuthenticAMD
[02:29] <likkashot> cpu family      : 15
[02:29] <likkashot> model           : 7
[02:29] <likkashot> model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+
[02:29] <likkashot> stepping        : 10
[02:29] <likkashot> cpu MHz         : 2010.346
[02:29] <Burrito> jajajaja!!!
[02:29] <likkashot> cache size      : 512 KB
[02:30] <likkashot> fpu             : yes
[02:30] <likkashot> fpu_exception   : yes
[02:30] <likkashot> cpuid level     : 1
[02:30] <zyth> likkashot, don't paste in here!
[02:30] <transgress> likkashot: for christs sake don't flood you asswhore monkey man
[02:30] <likkashot> wp              : yes
[02:30] <likkashot> flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 pni syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow
[02:30] <zyth> use paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:30] <zyth> GRR
[02:30] <dane> I like ubuntu so far
[02:30] <likkashot> bogomips        : 3976.84
[02:30] <likkashot> TLB size        : 1088 4K pages
[02:30] <likkashot> clflush size    : 64
[02:30] <dane> had to do some tweaking
[02:30] <likkashot> cache_alignment : 64
[02:30] <lmh> transgress: /lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko
[02:30] <dane> but
[02:30] <likkashot> address sizes   : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
[02:30] <likkashot> power management: ts fid vid ttp
[02:30] <likkashot> ooops
[02:30] <likkashot> sooory
[02:30] <likkashot> damn
[02:30] <likkashot> relax
[02:30] <likkashot> i said sorry
[02:30] <dane> its gonna save me a bunch of money switching to linux!!!
[02:30] <transgress> lmh: you need to delete that then reboot to get the fglrx module to work right
[02:30] <likkashot> ok then the monitor is crap
[02:30] <transgress> lmh: assuming you already configured it in your xorg.conf
[02:30] <zyth> #gentoo and #debian have more people than #ubuntu :(
[02:30] <exjinn> but it won't save you money on your car insurance
[02:30] <transgress> likkashot: i hate you.
[02:30] <transgress> zyth: imagine...
[02:31] <dane> lol
[02:31] <likkashot> i love u
[02:31] <transgress> zyth: why not try to troll.
[02:31] <Brett18> ubuntu install freezes
[02:31] <netsniper> zyth, yes, because they need the most help -- Ubuntu is too easy!
[02:31] <zyth> transgress, I am too tired to troll.
[02:31] <zyth> lol netsniper
[02:31] <transgress> Brett18: try turning off acpi at boot
[02:32] <Brett18> ok
[02:32] <dane> how do I view ntfs partitions under linux?
[02:32] <transgress> dane: you mount it
[02:32] <dane> with?
[02:32] <transgress> mount
[02:32] <zyth> dane: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdX /mountpoint
[02:32] <dane> o
[02:32] <yuacht> dane, www.ubuntuguide.org
[02:32] <yuacht> check that out
[02:32] <dane> ok
[02:32] <dane> i will
[02:32] <dane> thanks
[02:32] <yuacht> np
[02:32] <SmokingFire> You need this url in the header of this channel http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity
[02:33] <transgress> SmokingFire: no we don't
[02:33] <cut0ff_> spanish version: www.guia-ubuntu.org
[02:33] <transgress> a distros measure of worth shouldn't be it's number of users... it should be how well it works... measuring the popularity is just asking for flaming.
[02:33] <TokenBad> djm62, yeah its still not loading
[02:33] <SmokingFire> transgress: To show were ubuntu is at!!!!
[02:33] <netsniper> why isnt UbuntuGuide.org in the channel topic?
[02:34] <transgress> netsniper: i guess because it's "unofficial" ... iuno... it should be... although i prefer the wiki to it.
[02:35] <djm62> TokenBad: can you download http://djm62.freeshell.org/electricsheep_2.6.2-1_i386.deb and see if it's the same as the package you made?
[02:35] <transgress> ubuntuguide and the wiki conflict on some things... and my experience has been the wiki ended up better.
[02:35] <transgress> what is electricsheep?  someone said something about that the other day
[02:36] <djm62> TokenBad: by using "diff file1 file2"
[02:36] <transgress> and it entertained me since i was reading "Do androids dream of electric sheep" atm
[02:36] <cthulfuego> !info electricsheep
[02:36] <ubotu> electricsheep: (Screensaver showing collective dream of sleeping computers), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 2.5-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 410 kB, Installed size: 872 kB
[02:36] <lmh> transgress: still doesn't work
[02:37] <omenka> HI all UBuntu Users
[02:37] <cthulfuego> SmokingFire: The aim of Ubuntu isn't to have 20,000,000 little kids using it to get the stats up.
[02:37] <transgress> lmh: try running flgrxconfig as root... going through that... then seeing as it's a bug and names what should be xorg.conf to XFree86-4 rename that... open it and change the word Keyboard to keyboard... then reboot.
[02:37] <netsniper> I think 20,000,000 little kids should be using it
[02:38] <omenka> I,m new to Ubuntu....finally succeeded in installing Ubuntu on my laptop afetr trying other distros but my sound card is not workin.....'
[02:38] <transgress> omenka: what kind of sound card?
[02:38] <lmh> transgress: already been through that, it doesn't find my card as it is a HIS card and no ATI card
[02:38] <lmh> transgress: but with ATI chipset
[02:38] <omenka> Can anyone help?I have a Toshiba Tecra 8100 and my sound card is an s3 savage/mx card
[02:38] <transgress> SOL perhaps?
[02:39] <xabbu> Have someone here used Enlightenment? And got it to work in Ubuntu!
[02:39] <karllll> i just installed ubuntu and haven't gotten the option to set the root password.. where do i do that?
[02:39] <cut0ff_> have you managed to do gmail as storage system??
[02:40] <Darkfusion> what's the latest version of KOffice available for ubuntu?
[02:40] <djm62> !root
[02:40] <ubotu> methinks root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[02:40] <roger> karllll, you can set it by typing "sudo passwd"
[02:40] <djm62> karllll: what ubotu said
[02:40] <lmh> xabbu: http://www.ubuntuusers.de/wiki/windowmanager:enlightenment_installieren
[02:40] <lmh> xabbu: german though
[02:40] <djm62> karllll: you don't need a root passwd and it's another thing you can forget
[02:40] <xabbu> damn, I have to start practise my old german skills then. :)
[02:40] <netsniper> omenka, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-11096.html
[02:40] <Brett18> i used pci=noacpi. still freezes during installation
[02:40] <lmh> transgress: could you have a look on my xorg.conf /log file?
[02:41] <lmh> transgress: http://www.koeln.it/xorg.conf
[02:41] <transgress> lmh: pastebin them and give me the link
[02:41] <transgress> k
[02:41] <lmh> transgress: http://www.koeln.it/xorg-log.txt
[02:41] <transgress> lmh: didn't run fglrxconfig did you?
[02:41] <Brett18> freezes during "installing base system"
[02:41] <karllll> in gentoo, theres a portage directory.. is there something simliar in ubuntu?
[02:42] <lmh> transgress: b4 yes, but dind't work
[02:42] <transgress> karllll: not really...
[02:42] <djm62> karllll: not really.  the downloaded packages are in /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:42] <cut0ff_> have you managed to do gmail as storage system?  anybody?
[02:42] <karllll> how do i see what the package names are, to apt-get them?
[02:42] <karllll> ahh.
[02:42] <transgress> lmh: try doing all of what i said step by step... run it... open it and change where it has Keyboard to keyboard... then mv it to xorg.conf and then reboot
[02:42] <lmh> transgress: i got it already working, but my system crashed
[02:42] <djm62> karllll: apt-cache search keyword
[02:42] <lmh> transgress: ok
[02:42] <djm62> karllll: or the same thing in synaptic (the gui)
[02:43] <karllll> last thing: how would i go about installing kde or enlightenment?
[02:44] <Brett18> help please
[02:44] <transgress> karllll: sudo apt-get install kde enlightenment
[02:44] <djm62> karllll: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will give you the ubuntu-flavoured full kde setup
[02:44] <transgress> aptgetting kubuntu-desktop broke crap massively for me
[02:45] <transgress> i hear just getting kde works out a bit better.
[02:45] <Brett18> i just want to install it
[02:45] <djm62> ah, I defer to experience then
[02:45] <transgress> it's weird... neither gdm or kdm would boot to kde or gnome after i did the kubuntu-desktop install... but from kubuntu i did ubuntu-desktop and it works w/o a problem
[02:46] <karllll> when i 'apt-get install kde' theres a message that says "package kde is not available, but is referred to by another package"
[02:46] <transgress> umm hold then
[02:46] <blackomega> is it possible to install off the live cd
[02:47] <roger> karllll, look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallingKDE
[02:47] <roger> karllll, although that basically just says to install kde or kubuntu-desktop :)
[02:47] <karllll> thanks
[02:48] <Brett18> i can't install ubuntu
[02:48] <transgress> as i said though... kubuntu-desktop broke for me... so if you try that... back stuff up first just in case
[02:48] <lmh> transgress: Probing PCI bus for a supported graphics device...
[02:49] <transgress> Brett18: that can happen sometimes... try different cheat codes... if none work... sorry.  some hardware gets pissy.
[02:49] <lmh> transgress: unable to find any of the subsequent graphics boards:
[02:49] <lmh> transgress: ...
[02:49] <transgress> lmh: SOL perhaps?
[02:49] <Brett18> why would it freeze during the package installation?
[02:49] <lmh> sol = ?
[02:49] <transgress> shit outta luck
[02:50] <lmh> transgres: SOL.
[02:50] <transgress> Brett18: did you check your discs integrity.
[02:50] <Brett18> yea
[02:50] <roger> Brett18, what kind of hardware are you installing it on?
[02:50] <transgress> lmh: sorry man... it's beyond me.
[02:51] <Brett18> 2.93GHz celeron, 1GB ddr ram, 80GB, 7GB hard drives
[02:51] <netsniper> Anyone use GDESKLETS???
[02:51] <Brett18> same thing happens with fedora and gentoo
[02:52] <zho40> anyone use multisync to sync thunderbird address book?
[02:52] <roger> Brett18, where exactly does it fail with gentoo?
[02:52] <Brett18> during the package installation
[02:52] <omenka> hey.....i run a cybercafe in africa......and want to migrate all my systems to the Linux platform using Ubuntu LInux...please could anyone recommend any good linux cybercafe timer?????
[02:53] <Kyral> netsniper: I do
[02:53] <Cybermagellan> How do I edit the session manager to remove xfce and kde and put enlightenment on there?
[02:53] <roger> Brett18, well which package? are you doing stage 1 / 2 / 3? if you know exactly where it fails you can try to narrow down what the problem is
[02:53] <Razor-X> omenka: hmmm... not familiar with what a cafe timer is
[02:53] <Brett18> i forgot
[02:54] <Brett18> in ubuntu it freezes during "base package"
[02:54] <netsniper> Kyral, you use the STARTERBAR?
[02:54] <Brett18> sorry. "core components"
[02:54] <omenka> in an internet cafe a timer is a software used to allocate tickets to clients who come to browse
[02:55] <gm78> omenka: yeah, not sure what a cafe timer is
[02:55] <roger> Brett18, sorry bud I have no idea unless you can give more concrete details
[02:55] <Kyral> Cybermagellan: edit the conf file, but I forgot which one it is...
[02:56] <Brett18> bot :P
[02:56] <roger> Brett18, try googling for it & see if nayone else has had the same problem
[02:56] <omenka> ok.....yu go to an internet cafe and yu buy tickets for example for 1 hr right?it,s the client software installed on the system(timer software) that logs yu out when ur time expires
[02:56] <Brett18> i did. even spidered ubuntuforums
[02:56] <netsniper> omenka, you should be able to circumvernt that easily
[02:56] <Cybermagellan> Yeah I removed xfce and kde but they still show.... + enlightenment doesn't
[02:56] <omenka> how netsniper?
[02:57] <Y0Z-> hi!, have you try kazaa with wine????
[02:57] <Kyral> NetSniper: Yes
[02:57] <^thehatsrule^> kazaa is useless
[02:57] <Kyral> Use LimeWire
[02:57] <netsniper> omenka, id need to know your specific setup -- but shouldnt be hard
[02:57] <netsniper> Kyral, when i first add the STARTERBAR, all it is a black dot!
[02:57] <ubuntu_> does anyone know how to use winscp?
[02:58] <Y0Z-> ok
[02:58] <Y0Z-> 10x
[02:58] <Kyral> Netsniper: did you bychance install it from Apt?
[02:58] <netsniper> Kyral, yes
[02:58] <Kyral> thats the problem
[02:58] <Kyral> the one from Apt is bugged
[02:58] <netsniper> Kyral, did you get the black dot problem?
[02:58] <robla_> Can anyone help me with sound ... I have onboard soundmax  (on a Dell)
[02:58] <netsniper> Kyral, ahh...should I go from source?
[02:58] <robla_> I hear music cds
[02:59] <Kyral> remove the gdesklets-data package
[02:59] <robla_> but not mp3s
[02:59] <Kyral> then download StarterBar from the GDesklets site
[02:59] <GNULinuxer> Kyral> why do they include the data package?
[02:59] <GNULinuxer> Kyral> it's useless
[02:59] <Kyral> no clue
[03:00] <Kyral> I'm not a Repo Maintainer :P
[03:00] <GNULinuxer> crap to be precise
[03:00] <Kyral> I'm just a Friendly Linux Guru (TM)
[03:00] <netsniper> hehe
[03:00] <crazyhorse> shalala ;)
[03:00] <GNULinuxer> Kyral> if you were, i'd have kicked you
[03:00] <Kyral> I would have too
[03:00] <GNULinuxer> Kyral> I am a very crazy GNU/Linux God!
[03:00] <crazyhorse> urks 03:00AM again :/
[03:01] <Kyral> GNULinuxer: Only Linus Torvalds is that
[03:01] <GNULinuxer> Kyral> he's a linux god ... and he's friendly
[03:02] <Kyral> Anyway. Netsniper: Download the Starterbar and install it from the GDesklet's site
[03:02] <Kyral> use the GDesklets Shell
[03:02] <netsniper> Kyral, i will 0 thanks
[03:02] <Kyral> np, StarterBar rocks :D
[03:02] <netsniper> Kyral, you mean the GUI or CLI?
[03:03] <Kyral> and check out the SideCandy Series
[03:03] <Kyral> the GUI
[03:03] <netsniper> ahh ok
[03:03] <transgress> gdesklets shell?
[03:03] <crazyhorse> lol http://lachschon.gamigo.de/screens/200506/Wolffuchs-1119471831.jpg
[03:03] <Kyral> its what comes up when you click on gDesklets from the GNOME Menu
[03:03] <transgress> oh
[03:04] <xabbu>  Jikes, where can I find a list of depenencies for Enlighenment?
[03:04] <robla_> any tips on my sound problem... I think I loaded everything
[03:05] <Kyral> xabbu: I believe there is a topic on the Forums on how to compile it from CVS
[03:05] <karllll> xabbu: http://enlightenment.org/Enlightenment/Get_Enlightenment.html
[03:05] <karllll> try there
[03:05] <Kyral> We should add "Linux Guru" to the Forum Tags for those who help out like crazy in here :P
[03:06] <Razor-X> you mean like me? ;)
[03:06] <transgress> heh i never go to the forums
[03:06] <transgress> not my style
[03:06] <Razor-X> same here
[03:06] <Kyral> I do
[03:06] <Kyral> 200+ posts :P
[03:06] <hondje> More useful to help there, then it's googlable
[03:07] <Razor-X> but the few times I post, people'll know i'm not a hapless n00b
[03:07] <transgress> i haven't gone to forums since i used to go to these teen forums and mess with the xtians
[03:08] <t0lkman> is there wine for ubuntu 64bit?
[03:10] <SpecialBuddy> does everyone here use gnome?
[03:10] <Kyral> I do
[03:10] <matt__> is there a release of xchat-gnome for ubuntu?
[03:10] <transgress> xchat-gnome?
[03:10] <zenlunatic> anyone know y my sound is muffled?
[03:10] <transgress> what makes that different than xchat?
[03:11] <transgress> nope and i don't know why your w and h keys don't work either
[03:11] <Kyral> it prolly integrates into GNOME better
[03:11] <xabbu> Anyone got "Unable to build a debian package of imlib2" during Enlightenment install
[03:11] <xabbu> ?
[03:11] <ccc> transgress: http://xchat-gnome.navi.cx/
[03:11] <zenlunatic> transgress: i think its a differenbt forkedf project
[03:11] <SpecialBuddy> can you use kde with ubuntu
[03:11] <zenlunatic> SpecialBuddy: yes
[03:11] <squinn> SpecialBuddy, http://kubuntu.org
[03:11] <squinn> or install it within ubuntu
[03:12] <matt__> ya more gnome like, and i think its better
[03:12] <matt__> less crap
[03:12] <SpecialBuddy> how do you install it with ubuntu
[03:12] <transgress> zenlunatic: i see
[03:12] <transgress> ccc: thanks
[03:12] <karllll> specialbuddy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallingKDE
[03:12] <lilliput> hello guys is there any packages for azureus or my sources.list is incomplete ?
[03:13] <SpecialBuddy> thanks karllll
[03:13] <zenlunatic> anyone know y my sound is muffled?
[03:13] <Kyral> there are Azureus packages IIRC
[03:13] <roger> lilliput, azureus is in the ubuntu backports i think
[03:13] <SpecialBuddy> and how do you make your name highlighted
[03:13] <SpecialBuddy> do you just click the persons name and then type?
[03:13] <roger> lilliput, http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[03:13] <transgress> any latin freaks in here?  as in the dead language not as in the from central america
[03:13] <lilliput> roger, thx
[03:13] <transgress> what does "abyssus est alius populus" mean?  anyone
[03:16] <SpecialBuddy> I can't even figure out how to play mp3's
[03:16] <roger> transgress, according to some random forum on google it means "hell is other people"
[03:16] <Burrito> hi
[03:16] <transgress> roger: thanks
[03:16] <Burrito> can somebody help me out?
[03:16] <Burrito> please?
[03:16] <roger> Burrito, what's up?
[03:17] <roger> SpecialBuddy, check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RestrictedFormats to see how to play mp3s
[03:17] <ThE__OnE> how can i stop esd from openeing everytime i log in, my sound wont play otherwise
[03:17] <squinn> I screwed up. In an attempt to be stupid and maybe make things more accessible, I sudo chmodded my whole /dev and contents 777
[03:17] <squinn> How can I fix?
[03:17] <netsniper> Kyral, you got a link to the starterbar that you have working correctly?  the right version that will work with my gdesklet from apt?
[03:17] <Kyral> I can find it
[03:17] <nalioth> howdy y'all
[03:17] <Burrito> roger>
[03:17] <fidget> hello ... I managed to screw up my fstab file ... what exactly should this file contain?
[03:17] <Burrito> i need to set up my tv card
[03:18] <SpecialBuddy> thanks
[03:18] <roger> SpecialBuddy, basically just apt-get install gstreamer0.8-mad
[03:18] <Burrito> can you help me out?
[03:18] <nalioth> fidget: did you google 'sample fstab'?
[03:18] <SpecialBuddy> ok
[03:18] <fidget> I did not
[03:18] <gm78> ThE__OnE: hey, just letting you know, i used the default of 50 and it worked
[03:18] <fidget> is it the same for all computers?
[03:18] <nalioth> fidget: or "sample fstab ubuntu"
[03:18] <Burrito> roger?
[03:18] <SpecialBuddy> does that have avi too
[03:18] <ThE__OnE> ok
[03:18] <roger> Burrito, I don't have a TV card sorry... wouldn't know where to start
[03:18] <riffic> why isn't gstreamer-plugins-musepack included in ubuntu?
[03:18] <nalioth> fidget: no it is not
[03:18] <fidget> how would I go about creating one for my own computer then .....
[03:18] <nalioth> riffic: probably licensing issues
[03:18] <Burrito> ok
[03:18] <fidget> isn't it mount points?
[03:18] <riffic> i tried to compile gst-plugins but oh boy confusing
[03:18] <Burrito> thanks anyway
[03:18] <riffic> nalioth: musepack is free
[03:18] <nalioth> fidget: yes it is
[03:18] <riffic> and its included in gst-plugins
[03:19] <Burrito> does somebody know how to set up a tv card?
[03:19] <nalioth> riffic: free as in beer or free as in freedom?
[03:19] <riffic> free as in freedom
[03:19] <fidget> ah ok ... I'll google it ....
[03:19] <fidget> thanks
[03:19] <Bludgen> .
[03:19] <Kyral> NetSniper: http://gdesklets.gnomedesktop.org/categories.php?func=gd_show_app&gd_app_id=210
[03:19] <nalioth> fidget: perhaps you could find someone in here with a similar computer setup and ask them to send you theirs
[03:19] <Burrito> hey!
[03:19] <nalioth> riffic: then i don't know
[03:19] <Burrito> how can help me!???
[03:19] <Burrito> plz!
[03:19] <fidget> what all is in it?
[03:19] <fidget> just harddrive ... cd drives?
[03:19] <Burrito> i need help!
[03:20] <Burrito> plz!
[03:20] <netsniper> Kyral, thanks dude -- iwas there but not sure if it would work
[03:20] <Burrito> plz!
[03:20] <roger> fidget, have a look at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=8  :)
[03:20] <nalioth> fidget: there are a few lines i dont know what are, and yes, mount points for floppys, cdroms, HD partitions
[03:20] <roger> fidget, but ubuntu should have created it automatically for you
[03:20] <SpecialBuddy> is KDE or GNOME better?
[03:20] <Burrito> plz!
[03:20] <Demitar> SpecialBuddy, YES!
[03:20] <davidosa> hello all...
[03:20] <Burrito> i need help!
[03:20] <SpecialBuddy> or what do you think is better?
[03:20] <hondje> No
[03:20] <hondje> SpecialBuddy: I prefer quesadillas
[03:21] <Burrito> common
[03:21] <fidget> aye well ... actually .. I mounted a iso file to it =/ so my fstab file was a little over 2 gigs ... so I just erased it and put in a blank file..
[03:21] <fidget> it did let me boot up
[03:21] <SpecialBuddy> ok
[03:21] <Burrito> came on guys!
[03:21] <fidget> but I don't think it wrote to it
[03:21] <nalioth> Burrito: quit whining. Ask your question and wait. If anyone knows the answer they will answer you.
[03:21] <nalioth> fidget: open a terminal and type "cat /etc/fstab"
[03:21] <Burrito> ok
[03:21] <roger> fidget, lol :)
[03:21] <JDigital> foop
[03:21] <davidosa> anyone have any experience booting from a LIVE CD of ubuntu on a PowerBook?
[03:21] <Demitar> Burrito, and while waiting you can always ask google.
[03:21] <JDigital> How do I use File Roller to open rar?
[03:22] <unome> Burrito: http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html
[03:22] <unome> Burrito: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/examples/fstab
[03:22] <nalioth> JDigital: install "unrar-nonfree" or "unrar"
[03:22] <nalioth> unome: did you mean fidget?
[03:22] <gm78> JDigital : you should just be able to double click on the icon in nautilus and it should openm
[03:22] <Burrito> i just need to know if somebody can help me to set up my tv card
[03:22] <Burrito> thats all
[03:23] <nalioth> Burrito: have you asked uncle google? (he will always answer)
[03:23] <Burrito> yes
[03:23] <fidget> sorry for being so .. bleh new .... I hate being the new guy when it comes to this kinda stuff..
[03:23] <roger> Burrito, try googling / searhcing on the forums, or look at mailing lists for things like mythtv
[03:23] <fidget> then again .. i'm sure no one ever mounted a iso to there fstab file =/
[03:23] <nalioth> fidget: we are all new at something
[03:23] <Burrito> but im just a newbie
[03:23] <Burrito> and i dont speak english
[03:23] <Burrito> so its very hard for me
[03:23] <Burrito> i need somebody to help me
[03:24] <JDigital> Could not open "himm.rar"
[03:24] <JDigital> Archive type not supported.
[03:24] <Burrito> plz
[03:24] <nalioth> burrito i take cash only
[03:24] <Burrito> i have been here all day
[03:24] <JDigital> I have unrar-nonfree installed
[03:24] <fidget> mkay what did this cat /etc/fstab do?
[03:24] <Burrito> really?
[03:24] <nalioth> fidget: it should have printed a lot of stuff into your terminal
[03:24] <fidget> thanks unome
[03:24] <Burrito> nalioth: really?
[03:24] <fidget> ah .. it didn't
[03:24] <fidget> blank ... new line
[03:24] <nalioth> fidget: then you need a new fstab
[03:25] <nalioth> guys, will ubuntu recreate a missing fstab on bootup? i don't know personally
[03:25] <fidget> I agree ... ... if I installed ubuntu on this computer .. on a different harddrive
[03:25] <roger> fidget, type "whatis cat"
[03:25] <fidget> then copied the new file to a ftp ..
[03:25] <fidget> and then downloaded that .. onto this
[03:25] <fidget> would it work?
[03:25] <Burrito> well, good 4 u anyway
[03:26] <roger> fidget, type "mount" and it should have most of your current information which you can copy out into a new fstab
[03:26] <nalioth> fidget: do you have a livecd?
[03:26] <DoesntMat> hey yall
[03:26] <fidget> I don't ...
[03:27] <fidget> a ubuntu live cd?
[03:27] <DoesntMat> i neeed to get my mouse to work
[03:27] <fidget> I have ... whoppix and knoppix ..
[03:27] <DoesntMat> anyone know how
[03:27] <Demitar> Burrito, have you looked at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41123 (the first hit on google for "ubuntu tv-card") which links to http://xawdecode.sourceforge.net/aideUS/htmlpage/TVCardall.htm ?
[03:27] <roger> if you reboot without  recreating your fstab you won't be able to boot back up again
[03:27] <riffic> oh hell yes i found musepack plugins
[03:27] <riffic> third party, but they work
[03:27] <riffic> DoesntMat: what sort of mouse issues are you having?
[03:27] <fidget> oh ... great ...
[03:27] <DoesntMat> cant move it
[03:27] <Moshe> does ubuntu autoconfigure devices at startup or do you need to do things manually like with slackware?
[03:27] <Burrito> no
[03:27] <riffic> what kind of mouse do you have
[03:28] <roger> fidget, does typing "mount" come up with a load of stuff?
[03:28] <DoesntMat> standard wheel ps2 mouse i think
[03:28] <fidget> I can mount hda1 though in knoppix
[03:28] <nalioth> fidget: see the links you were sent above (from unome) and recreate your fstab using the "mount" command as mentioned by roget
[03:28] <Burrito> but i dont understand english
[03:28] <Burrito> thats the problem
[03:28] <fidget> yes
[03:28] <riffic> what's in your mouse section in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[03:28] <nalioth> Burrito: try another line, that is gettin old
[03:28] <fidget> humm ... I think I will have to do that
[03:28] <DoesntMat> i dont know...
[03:28] <Burrito> no really
[03:28] <Demitar> Burrito, and I don't have a tv-card. Go figure.
[03:28] <DoesntMat> never used linux before..cant operate without mouse = (
[03:28] <transgress> nalioth: that was awesome.  that was the greatest response ever
[03:28] <fidget> much thanks roger nalioth and unome
[03:29] <unome> good luck
[03:29] <nalioth> transgress: what?
[03:29] <gm78> Burrito: ur having problems with a tv card u said?
[03:29] <fidget> wait..
[03:29] <fidget> if I reboot ..and I somehow messed up
[03:29] <fidget> I wont be able to get back in...
[03:29] <Burrito> yes
[03:29] <fidget> should I download a ubuntu live cd first?
[03:29] <Burrito> i cant set it up
[03:29] <SpecialBuddy> whats a good avi player
[03:29] <roger> fidget, yeah, then if it is broken you can boot off the livecd and fix it
[03:30] <DoesntMat> well ...sorry to bother you riffic..but do you have any suggestions
[03:30] <transgress> nalioth: your reply to Burrito made me laugh
[03:30] <fidget> sounds like a plan ... thanks again
[03:30] <nalioth> transgress: well, his english is better then mine (but i'm a Texan)
[03:30] <roger> fidget, no worries, the main ones you need to boot are (if you did a default partitioning) proc, your root, and swap space
[03:31] <DoesntMat> damn it
[03:31] <DoesntMat> anyone know how to get ur mouse working ??
[03:31] <roger> fidget, proc will always be: proc            /proc           proc    defaults        0       0
[03:31] <DoesntMat> i did get a xong.conf error in boot up...
[03:31] <roger> fidget, and your root and swap you can get from the output of 'mount'
[03:31] <DoesntMat> xorg **] 
[03:31] <msg-me-4-a-game> yes
[03:32] <JDigital> Yup. I can't open any WinRAR files with File Roller, at all.
[03:32] <DoesntMat> F ***
[03:32] <nalioth> JDigital: open a terminal in the directory of your rars and run "unrar filename.rar"
[03:32] <transgress> JDigital: you probably need unrar-nonfree
[03:32] <DoesntMat> is there a way to get ur mouse to work...mine doesnt not work...i get a xorg.conf error when i boot up
[03:33] <DoesntMat> but i still see the dektop
[03:33] <roger> fidget, actually no... to check your swap partition type "cat /proc/swaps" and it will show your swap device there
[03:33] <DoesntMat> so much for help here
[03:33] <djs> DoesntMat, Try this -    <ctrl><alt>F2 ; (log in); sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[03:34] <DoesntMat> ok
[03:34] <Epithett> hello
[03:34] <DoesntMat> this is at boot up rihgt ??
[03:34] <nalioth> DoesntMat: collectively in here we know all there is to know about ubuntu. the trick for the curious is to time their question so the right person can answer it
[03:34] <djs> DoesntMat, there will be lots of questions asked,  the defaults are usually pretty good
[03:35] <djs> DoesntMat, no you can do it now
[03:35] <nalioth> DoesntMat: follow the inst, no boot up necessary
[03:35] <ravenous> has anyone run into problems running teamspeak under ubuntu?
[03:35] <DoesntMat> im on a diffrnt machine
[03:35] <Epithett> i am totally new to linux and frankly i really don't know how to do anything.  To get internet working on my Ubuntu PC, I have a Linksys Wireless USB adapter.  How to get that installed, I have no idea
[03:36] <chalcedony> * JOEGurl are you here?
[03:36] <rob_> i have a text-based login, which file do i edit to get 'startx' to run upon login?
[03:36] <roger> plug and pray
[03:36] <Epithett> can anyone help me?  i have the steps I need to take, I got them from topics around teh forum, but I have no idea how to do those things and this is where anyone of you come in
[03:36] <ravenous> anyone can help me with teamspeak under ubuntu?
[03:37] <nalioth> Epithett: if you have the steps, ask for more info about each step
[03:37] <Epithett> okay
[03:37] <Quest-Master> Epithett: Search for ndiswrapper
[03:37] <chalcedony> you guys are good :)
[03:37] <Epithett> 1) Add 'wireless_mode managed" before setting essid in the interfaces file.
[03:37] <nalioth> Epithett: because i know nothing about installing wireless cards, but i do know about performing actions on teh system
[03:37] <Epithett> how do i do taht
[03:37] <Quest-Master> Epithett: Learn how to use it, and you will be able to use the Linksys WUSB45 adapter with Ubuntu
[03:37] <JDigital> transgress: I have unrar-nonfree installed
[03:37] <rob_> anyone?
[03:38] <transgress> JDigital: oh yeah that's right... yeah file-roller hates them... whatever kde uses though doesn't heh
[03:38] <JDigital> :\
[03:38] <JDigital> So what you're saying is that Ubuntu can't open Rar files with a graphical interface, without changing the interface entirely?
[03:39] <nalioth> JDigital: use ark
[03:39] <SysFail> ark wont do it?
[03:39] <nalioth> JDigital: as in 'right click" "open with"
[03:39] <fidget> bleh I don't understand dump and pass..
[03:39] <SysFail> i use the command line rar
[03:39] <roger> rob_, what's the output from running "cat /etc/inittab | grep initdefault"
[03:40] <JDigital> I know I can use the command line rar, but there are times when I would like to use the graphical tool.
[03:40] <nalioth> JDigital: does ark work?
[03:40] <rob_> roger, ah ok thx, what is the format of 'initdefault' ?
[03:40] <JDigital> I don't even have ark installed.
[03:41] <nalioth> JDigital: perhaps you should, if you desire a graphical app
[03:41] <SysFail> ark is nice
[03:41] <roger> rob_, basically the number there is the default runlevel that you will boot up to - in ubuntu it should be 2 to start up X
[03:41] <fidget> alright ... i'm going to try this beast out
[03:41] <fidget> wish me luck
[03:41] <roger> fidget, good luck :)
[03:41] <rob_> roger, runlevel 2 will start X? rofl
[03:42] <fidget> hah if you never hear from me again .. then it didn't work
[03:42] <nalioth> fidget: knoppix will get you back here
[03:42] <roger> rob_, if you haven't changed your init scripts from default, yeah...?
[03:42] <DoesntMat> when using  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg what xserver driveer do i select ?
[03:42] <nalioth> DoesntMat: the default is a good choice (or vesa)
[03:42] <DoesntMat> ok =)
[03:42] <SpecialBuddy> what should I do if something freezes up
[03:42] <nalioth> SpecialBuddy: blowtorch?
[03:43] <SpecialBuddy> no
[03:43] <lee_> Seveas> are you around?
[03:43] <SpecialBuddy> a program
[03:43] <bddebian> OK folks, I'm installing Warty on my StinkPad and when I get to the configure screen, my keyboard is hosed.  Can't select a timezone, can't switch to another terminal, nada..  Any ideas?
[03:43] <SpecialBuddy> haha
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> bddebian: install hoary
[03:43] <HrdwrBoB> it's been out for.. quite some time now
[03:43] <lee_> nalioth> you think you can help me with my wi-fi card?
[03:43] <bddebian> HrdwrBoB: This is the only CD I have handy, from FOSDEM
[03:43] <DoesntMat> damn...i dont know this one either,,,please enter ur video cards pci bus driver
[03:43] <nalioth> SpecialBuddy: one program freezing is not a problem, click on the top right [x]  and a li'l box will open saying "this is not responding, do you want to kill it?)
[03:43] <rob_> roger, nm.. i just appended 'startx' to .bash_profile and it works great.
[03:44] <DoesntMat> it says PCI1.0.0
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> DoesntMat: yes
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> just press enter
[03:44] <roger> rob_, good stuff
[03:44] <nalioth> lee_: probably not. i run apple hardware and have 0 experience with wifi for intel
[03:44] <HrdwrBoB> if you don't know, assume the default
[03:44] <DoesntMat> ok
[03:44] <DoesntMat> ok
[03:44] <nalioth> roger: is bash_profile only read once on login?
[03:44] <lee_> nalioth> ok thanks, i wonder who in here can help me
[03:45] <nalioth> roger: or each time a term is opened?
[03:45] <SpecialBuddy> top right x?
[03:45] <nalioth> lee_: ask your question. if no answer wait 5-10 minutes and ask again
[03:45] <SpecialBuddy> of the program?
[03:45] <nalioth> SpecialBuddy: of your programs window
[03:45] <SpecialBuddy> it won't do anything
[03:45] <lee_> nalioth>  ok ill give it a shot, GNULinuxer tried to help but me nor him could figure it out
[03:45] <SpecialBuddy> doesn't respond
[03:46] <tiglionabbit> SpecialBuddy: you trying to kill a program?
[03:46] <SpecialBuddy> yeah
[03:46] <tiglionabbit> there is a widget for the panel in gnome that does that.  Right-click a gnome panel and add it
[03:46] <SpecialBuddy> but it won't respond
[03:46] <roger> nalioth, one or t'other, not sure tbh - he'll find out soon enough ;)
[03:46] <lee_> ok guys, question here about my wi-fi card....  im trying to get the dang thing to work but i keep getting an error message
[03:46] <nalioth> SpecialBuddy: what exactly won't respond?
[03:47] <lee_> the error message is FATAL: Error inserting ndiswrapper (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-686/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper.ko): Operation not permitted
[03:47] <lee_> anyone think they can help?
[03:47] <SpecialBuddy> x multimedia system
[03:47] <tiglionabbit> it's called "Force Quit"
[03:47] <SpecialBuddy> do I have to download that
[03:47] <ironmc> I have a Nvidia Sound Storm onboard chip that works with Music Player (which I hate) and Totem but will not work with XMMS (which I love) anybody know of a fix for this??
[03:47] <nalioth> lee_: are you doing the operation using 'sudo'?
[03:47] <lee_> yeah i was even in the root dir
[03:47] <basetan> que mierda
[03:47] <basetan> ja
[03:47] <lee_> i mean root term
[03:47] <tiglionabbit> SpecialBuddy: right-click on either gnome panel, hit "Add to Panel" and select the "Force Quit" item.  You can then click on that icon, and then on the window of the program that is not responding
[03:47] <nalioth> ironmc: don't use xmms
[03:48] <Razor-X> you know how everyone says eventually, you can do anything in emacs?
[03:48] <nalioth> lee_: i personally use 'sudo' and don't bother with the 'root terminal'
[03:48] <ironmc> thanks - gotta be something better than Music Player though??
[03:48] <nalioth> Razor-X: did you build a house with it?
[03:48] <Razor-X> I know one thing emacs will never do
[03:48] <basetan> i am chileeeee
[03:48] <tiglionabbit> SpecialBuddy: Or, you could use Applications->System Tools->System Monitor to kill it
[03:48] <nalioth> ironmc: there are plenty of audio things, use synaptic to search
[03:49] <SpecialBuddy> thanks man
[03:49] <roger> ironmc, if you don't mind about other apps not being able to play sounds, try "pkill esd" which might fix it
[03:49] <SpecialBuddy> got it
[03:49] <ironmc> thanks nalioth
[03:49] <lee_> nalioth> the guide i used told me to use root
[03:49] <lee_> nalioth> it said the sudo gave conflicts
[03:49] <ironmc> thanks roger I'll try that
[03:49] <nalioth> lee_: i'm a mac hardware user, so i have no clue what y'all go thru to install wifi cards
[03:49] <zerokills> pkill esd is the answer to most of my sound problems
[03:49] <Razor-X> psshhhh, why even use vi anyways, get vi running in emacs ;)
[03:49] <tiglionabbit> things you can do in emacs: bootstrap it and run it as an OS/window manager, read email, browse the web, play games, edit text, load in extra modules
[03:49] <lee_> haha
[03:49] <lee_> nalioth> me either LOL
[03:49] <roger> ironmc, try muine if you are looking for a different app ;)
[03:50] <lee_> nalioth> this is what i was following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SetupNdiswrapperHowto
[03:50] <SpecialBuddy> I still haven't found something to play avi's
[03:50] <SysFail> kaffeine
[03:50] <Razor-X> SpecialBuddy: VLC
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> SpecialBuddy: tried VLC?
[03:50] <roger> SpecialBuddy, totem should work fine, just install all the gstreamer codecs
[03:50] <SysFail> is vlc in synaptic?
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> vlc is a wonderful program, download it
[03:50] <tiglionabbit> yes it is
[03:50] <ironmc> roger that works  THANKS
[03:50] <SpecialBuddy> ok
[03:51] <SpecialBuddy> I will do that
[03:51] <SpecialBuddy> thanks
[03:51] <zerokills> SpecialBuddy, VLC is the bomb
[03:51] <tiglionabbit> roger is right too, with the proper codecs any of your players should be able to play avi format
[03:51] <roger> ironmc, np, just restart esd if you want to use music player again or anything :)
[03:51] <Heathen> I need some help please... I just installed Ubuntu and my passwords are not working???
[03:51] <DoesntMat> ok..im done with the reconfiguring of my mouse and things..now it lists my user name and looks like its wating for me to do something...can i reboot now ?
[03:51] <nalioth> !Root
[03:51] <ubotu> I guess root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[03:51] <tiglionabbit> Heathen: ^
[03:51] <nalioth> DoesntMat: you dont need to reboot
[03:52] <DoesntMat> dwhat do i do
[03:52] <nalioth> DoesntMat: finish the sequence you started and press <ctrl><alt><f7> to get back to a gui
[03:52] <SpecialBuddy> are there any programs to partition a harddrive without losing data like partition magic
[03:52] <SpecialBuddy> ?
[03:52] <DoesntMat> ok =)
[03:52] <nalioth> SpecialBuddy: qtparted comes closest
[03:52] <Razor-X> SpecialBuddy: QTParted
[03:52] <Heathen> thx... reading :D
[03:53] <roger> SpecialBuddy, or gparted
[03:53] <DoesntMat> lol...my mouse still dont work
[03:53] <DoesntMat> god dman it
[03:53] <nalioth> SpecialBuddy: qtparted and gparted are the same program, different frontends
[03:53] <tiglionabbit> DoesntMat: you can use control-alt and the F keys to access your virtual sessions on the comp.  By default the first 6 are text, the 7th is graphical, and the rest have not been started yet
[03:53] <nalioth> DoesntMat: try a new mouse
[03:53] <SpecialBuddy> ok
[03:53] <SpecialBuddy> thanks
[03:53] <DoesntMat> hmm..
[03:53] <DoesntMat> only got one =(
[03:53] <DoesntMat> son of bitch
[03:54] <DoesntMat> it has to be user error
[03:54] <tiglionabbit> what type of mouse is it?
[03:54] <DoesntMat> =(
[03:54] <roger> DoesntMat, what's the error?
[03:54] <djs> nalioth, He'd have to restart X wouldn't he
[03:54] <DoesntMat> its jsut as generic as it gets..black ps2
[03:54] <djs> ?
[03:54] <SpecialBuddy> I'm probably going to be screwed if I try to install windows after ubuntu right?
[03:54] <DoesntMat> no name
[03:54] <tiglionabbit> SpecialBuddy: no
[03:54] <tiglionabbit> there's ways to get it back...
[03:54] <n8rtw> Hello and help on install
[03:54] <Heathen> My password is not working... I keep getting an error saying :Child Terminated with 1 status"
[03:54] <tiglionabbit> I mean to fix grub.  Where's the howto on that?
[03:55] <roger> DoesntMat, you'll need to restart X like djs said if you updated the config
[03:55] <nalioth> djs: was gettin to that
[03:55] <roger> DoesntMat, ctrl alt f7, then ctrl alt backspace
[03:55] <DoesntMat> i should buy a new mouse any ways...do you recomend one that will workk
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> Heathen: that means there was an error, in the most general sense possible.  What exactly are you doing?
[03:55] <DoesntMat> ill try that
[03:55] <linlin> tiglionabbit www.ubuntuguide.org maybe has what your looking for
[03:55] <nalioth> DoesntMat: have you restarted X?
[03:55] <DoesntMat> i dont know
[03:55] <DoesntMat> lo
[03:55] <DoesntMat> l
[03:55] <xero_> how do i use the export PATH thing?? i wanan set it to that when i call eclipise from the command line it starts Eclipse (which is in /usr/local/eclipse/)
[03:55] <DoesntMat> how do you do that
[03:55] <tiglionabbit> DoesntMat: to restart x, switch to it and hit control-alt-backspace
[03:55] <djs> DoesntMat, roger's instructions will restart X
[03:55] <SpecialBuddy> tiglionabbit: it's not going to mess it up if I try to do a dual partition
[03:56] <DoesntMat> k
[03:56] <DoesntMat> brb
[03:56] <Heathen> Anything :)  I just installed this and it says I have 25 updates to install... however it asks for my password.. which I enter then it gives me the error?
[03:56] <roger> xero_, "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/eclipse/"
[03:56] <tiglionabbit> SpecialBuddy: nope, I've got dual boot.  It does help to install windows first though, because windows tends to complain when there are other partitions on its install.  It may force you to delete them
[03:56] <ironmc> thanks roger --- I was off picking out music...
[03:56] <steven__> why at boot time i get this message: Couldnt use the hardward clock as reference
[03:57] <izzo> I need help setting up a Bluetooth USB dongle on Ubuntu, can't seem to get the device to be used by any software, dmesg returns: usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4, programs return: Can't get device info: No such device
[03:57] <nalioth> SpecialBuddy: you can have as many partitions as you like
[03:57] <kiwiwikki> hai all
[03:57] <Sysace> hey guys... just finally finished downloading an Ubuntu DVD, breezy.. thought it was an installation dvd.  Now here I am apparently in a livecd environment, so I'm wondering if there is a way to install from this disk?  any help appreciated
[03:57] <tiglionabbit> steven__: could mean the tiny battery in your computer is dead.  Does it get the time on your clock completely wrong?
[03:57] <SpecialBuddy> see I kept installing windows first but then when I installed ubuntu it would screw up
[03:57] <zerokills> hai = yes in japanese
[03:57] <kiwiwikki> i need some help but im a newbie
[03:57] <tiglionabbit> SpecialBuddy: know much about partitioning?
[03:57] <Heathen> so are we all kiwi :D
[03:57] <SpecialBuddy> so I installed it without the grub installing to windows and it would still screw up
[03:57] <nalioth> Sysace: at the prompt of your dvd, look for "for help hit <whatever key>"
[03:57] <zerokills> what do you need help with?
[03:58] <SpecialBuddy> partioning isn't the problem
[03:58] <kiwiwikki> thks
[03:58] <DoesntMat> i hit ctrl alt backsapce..then it asked me for my login..i logged in..now im at a blank black screen with a text line at the top wating for me
[03:58] <Heathen> Anyone on my password issues?
[03:58] <SpecialBuddy> it's getting the dual boot to work
[03:58] <djs> DoesntMat, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[03:58] <SysFail> wow vlc uses alot more processor to play dvds than kaffeine does
[03:58] <DoesntMat> kk
[03:58] <crazyhorse> Sysace, i think you don't want to install breezy atm (see topic)
[03:58] <coolkev> what is the easiest program to set up an ftp on ubuntu
[03:58] <coolkev> not console based
[03:58] <Sysace> nalioth:  I've done that, and from what I read, passing the install option should work, but I still end up in X for what appears to be livecd.
[03:58] <coolkev> i like g.u.i
[03:58] <tiglionabbit> SpecialBuddy: I'm using hoary stable.  It worked for me automatically--  I installed Ubuntu after windows, and grub added a line for booting windows xp
[03:59] <kiwiwikki> my prob is : hot to get name n password in to my cups system
[03:59] <SpecialBuddy> well I will ihave to try it but I'm not certain if it will work
[03:59] <kiwiwikki> my prob is : how to get name n password in to my cups system
[03:59] <SpecialBuddy> thanks for all the help though
[03:59] <nalioth> Sysace: 1: i run a mac ibook, 2: i won't go near breezy until it's been out a few weeks so im not gonna be much help
[03:59] <Sysace> crazyhorse:  I realize its still early stages.. but downloading 5.04 would take me a long time again.. is it possible to install from this breezy disk that I now have?
[03:59] <SpecialBuddy> I'm a noob with linux:)
[03:59] <DoesntMat> nvm..it dont let me type
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> Sysace: I believe there is a guide on the wiki about that.  Search it
[04:00] <kiwiwikki> anybody know about CUPS unix print
[04:00] <DoesntMat> ill just have to reboot manually
[04:00] <Sysace> is there a dvd disk for 5.04?
[04:00] <nalioth> Sysace: yes
[04:00] <nalioth> Sysace: bittorrent only
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> Sysace: there is a live/install dvd, available via torrent
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> I've got one burned
[04:00] <tiglionabbit> bwahaha
[04:00] <steven__> tiglionabbit, nop the clock is right and the battery is full
[04:00] <kiwiwikki> anybody know about CUPS unix print...plzz
[04:00] <djs> DoesntMat, try    <ctrl><alt>F2   first
[04:00] <DoesntMat> kk
[04:00] <Sysace> k, thanks guys.. will see if I can find it  :)
[04:00] <crazyhorse> Sysace, i never tried it, sorry. well, the problem with breezy isn't the stage, they are changing to gcc4 and it has a new (incompliant) c++ ABI, so most programs written in c++ won't work
[04:01] <siorfin> anyone know anything about ipw2100?
[04:01] <nalioth> kiwiwikki: if anyone knows how to help you, they will, otherwise, please wait a few minutes tween the same question
[04:01] <tiglionabbit> steven__: I don't mean a laptop battery, I mean the CMOS battery.  But if the clock is correct, does it set it using the internet, or is the error just harmless?
[04:01] <Sysace> crazyhorse:  thanks.. I was just hoping to use it now that I had it downloaded, but obviously I'd be better off trying to get a copy of 5.04
[04:01] <DoesntMat> it goes to the last page of when i was reconfiguring my xorg.conf and it was waiting for me ..
[04:01] <kiwiwikki> ok thanks
[04:01] <DoesntMat> says my user name@root___
[04:02] <steven__> i think is error harmless but i was wondering if i can fix it
[04:02] <DoesntMat> text line bliking
[04:02] <crazyhorse> Sysace, yeah, i think so ;) you could try if there are special boot options for an installation, but it's better to fetch hoary ;)
[04:02] <tiglionabbit> steven__: well you could blacklist your clock, but that would be ridiculous.  I'm not sure what is causing it..
[04:03] <djs> DoesntMat, sorry - i'm a little confused - were you able to type    sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart   ?
[04:03] <Sysace> crazyhorse:  been reading the help available on boot, but any installation options I find still seem to leave me in a livecd env.
[04:03] <steven__> well thats cool
[04:03] <crazyhorse> Sysace, well, then this is really just a live cd
[04:03] <tiglionabbit> Sysace: search http://wiki.ubuntu.com for the guide
[04:04] <basetan> kde for ubuntu???
[04:04] <DoesntMat> ya
[04:04] <tiglionabbit> basetan: kubuntu
[04:04] <Kyral> Kubuntu
[04:04] <siorfin> anyone know anything about ipw2100
[04:04] <DoesntMat> it brought me to a login page..but no mouse working
[04:04] <Epithett> "to get there type: sudo gedit /etc/network/interfaces" where do i type that?
[04:04] <DoesntMat> = (
[04:05] <djs> DoesntMat, =(
[04:05] <rpj911> Hello,   I would like to edit my /etc/apt/source.list , is there a way to switch into su without loging in and out as root?
[04:05] <basetan> alguno habla
[04:05] <coolkev> what is the easiest program to set up an ftp on ubuntu, i like something with g.u.i and easy to use interface like those seen on windows platform
[04:05] <siorfin> sudo gedit /etc/apt/source.list
[04:05] <linlin> rpj911 sudo su root
[04:05] <tiglionabbit> Epithett: type commands at the terminal, or a virtual terminal.  Run xterm or console or terminal, or switch to a virtual terminal using control-alt and an F key
[04:05] <Mobius> or you can run a root terminal, right?
[04:05] <DoesntMat> anymore ideas  ?..my mouse works under knoppix
[04:06] <nalioth> rpj911: we use sudo in ubuntu
[04:06] <ravenous> does anyone know what the absolute path to gaim is in ubuntu?
[04:06] <tiglionabbit> DoesntMat: you could use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select the proper options for it
[04:06] <nalioth> ravenous: open a terminal and type "which gaim"
[04:06] <djs> DoesntMat, You can try reconfiguring xorg again, trying different settings (port?) for the mouse.  It is unusual that it hasn't worked at the install though.
[04:07] <DoesntMat> ya...but i am not sure what those options are =(
[04:07] <Heathen> This is sooo frustrating
[04:07] <rpj911> tnx for the pointers...
[04:07] <DoesntMat> i just left as default and chnaged what i knew i needed too
[04:07] <tiglionabbit> Heathen: what is?
[04:07] <ravenous> thanx, tahts what I thought it was.
[04:07] <DoesntMat> ill try alterning some of the mouse options
[04:07] <Heathen> I JUST installed Ubuntu and my passwords are not working... keep getting errors on anything I do
[04:07] <ravenous> I just did a fresh reinstall of ubuntu, and am trying to install the new xfire plugin for gaim... but with no luck
[04:08] <djs> DoesntMat, yes that's what i meant - but probably didn't say too well :)
[04:08] <gm78> Heathen: which passwords?
[04:08] <DoesntMat> ok =)
[04:08] <DoesntMat> i just need some patience
[04:08] <Heathen> ANY!!  I try to go to user settings and it asks for my password... I enter it and I get an error
[04:08] <SysFail> heathen...they are case sensitive
[04:08] <SysFail> got caps lock off etc?
[04:08] <Heathen> I know
[04:08] <SysFail> ok
[04:09] <KillerSmurf> anyone here have any exper with wacom?
[04:09] <Heathen> trued that :D
[04:09] <cris> how to install portuguease package to Firefox?
[04:09] <tiglionabbit> KillerSmurf: I have a tablet pc working with pressure sensitivity
[04:09] <SysFail> but you can login heathen?
[04:09] <SysFail> get to gnome or whatever?
[04:09] <Heathen> Yeah I can login to the desktop... but from there nothing
[04:09] <gm78> Heathen : but u can log in fine?
[04:09] <SysFail> weird
[04:10] <KillerSmurf> tig... I have a serial pad i sort of have working any suggestions
[04:10] <nalioth> very weird
[04:10] <SysFail> shouldnt be able to login
[04:10] <SysFail> if the pass is hosed
[04:10] <cris> how to install portuguease package to Firefox? obs.: I use warty
[04:10] <tiglionabbit> KillerSmurf: get `wacom-tools` and also the wacom kernel source, and follow the wacom-linux-project from chapter 4
[04:11] <KillerSmurf> tig.. thanks
[04:11] <Mobius> does anyone use photo-album like software?
[04:11] <Heathen> Yup.. here is an error .... "Failed to run /usr/sbin/synaptic  --update-at-startup --noninteractive --hide main window   Child terminated with 1 status"
[04:12] <tiglionabbit> KillerSmurf: You'll want to get `wacdump` to give proper output.  Then you know you're on the right track.  After that all you need to do is configure the gimp
[04:12] <raoul> cris: # apt-get install mozilla-firefox-locale-pt-pt
[04:12] <tiglionabbit> and your xserver for the input
[04:12] <tiglionabbit> xserver first
[04:12] <Heathen> Anyone?
[04:12] <DoesntMat> what prt would /dev/psaux be ? ..would it be for ps2 mouses ?
[04:13] <tiglionabbit> Heathen: try running Applications->System Tools->Root Terminal, and typing synaptic into that
[04:13] <tiglionabbit> after entering your password
[04:13] <Heathen> the root password right?
[04:13] <SysFail> there is no root pass
[04:13] <cris> raul: $ apt-cache search mozilla-firefox-locale-pt-pt
[04:13] <cris> raul: $
[04:14] <Heathen> I get the same error!! :(
[04:14] <cris> searche
[04:14] <tiglionabbit> !root
[04:14] <ubotu> I guess root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:14] <tiglionabbit> have you read this, Heathen?  ^
[04:14] <cris> There isn't "mozilla-firefox-locale-pt-pt" package
[04:15] <Heathen> looking now
[04:15] <tiglionabbit> cris: what are you searching for?  Try being more general, like saying 'firefox' instead
[04:15] <minkymeow> Hey...for some reason I'm not able to change my resolution in X
[04:15] <tiglionabbit> minkymeow: me neither, sucks, doesn't it?  You can probably add modes to your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[04:16] <minkymeow> the only option it gives me is 1024x768
[04:16] <cris> tiglionabbit-> I want install the portuguease package for Firefox. But I don't know how to do it
[04:16] <raoul> cris: you can download it from debian.org and install it with dpkg --install
[04:16] <coolkev> is it possible to install and run winrar with WINE
[04:16] <minkymeow> yeah I tried playing with the file but its seems like it has no effect
[04:16] <^thehatsrule^> coolkev: why would you
[04:17] <coolkev> i need it
[04:17] <cris> raul, do you know the full URL to debian.org?
[04:17] <tiglionabbit> coolkev: DO NOT DO THAT.  There are much better ways.  Install the rar package
[04:17] <coolkev> yes but i need winrar
[04:17] <coolkev> sicne the ones on linux are no good
[04:17] <steven__> is there any channel for ubuntu amd64
[04:17] <coolkev> they have CRC cheakers
[04:17] <tiglionabbit> coolkev: then your gui archive managers like fileroller will be able to use rar format
[04:17] <coolkev> and i have tog et past them
[04:17] <tiglionabbit> crc?
[04:17] <coolkev> ye i have it already
[04:18] <nalioth> coolkev: unrar or unrar-nonfree work on every rar i use them on
[04:18] <tiglionabbit> oh, get restricted rar 2.0 package
[04:18] <coolkev> yes i have
[04:18] <raoul> cris: http://www.debian.org
[04:18] <coolkev> where i get restricted rar
[04:18] <tiglionabbit> coolkev: enable the restricted and universe and multiverse repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list by uncommenting them
[04:19] <DoesntMat> lol..i just did that thing reconfigure mouse thing for all  the mouse ports
[04:19] <DoesntMat> none worked
[04:19] <coolkev> they already
[04:19] <coolkev> are
[04:19] <tiglionabbit> DoesntMat: you will have to restart X for the settings to take effect
[04:19] <DoesntMat> i did
[04:19] <tiglionabbit> oh
[04:19] <DoesntMat> i typed in sudo/etc/init.d/gdm restart for ever yone
[04:19] <steven__> is there any channel for ubuntu amd64
[04:20] <tiglionabbit> were you logged out of your session and all when you did that?
[04:20] <DoesntMat> yes
[04:20] <coolkev> tiglionabbit i ave them uncommented now what i do
[04:20] <DoesntMat> i might just need to buy a new  mouse tommorow =(..only like fifteen bucks
[04:21] <DoesntMat> ill just make sure its a linux ready mouse
[04:21] <tiglionabbit> coolkev: now apt-get update
[04:21] <dabaR_> coolkev sudo aptitude update
[04:22] <DoesntMat> o ya..i need to learn how to compile my own kernel so that it supports apic mode on..is that hard ?
[04:22] <siorfin> anyone know how to get ipw2100 working for centrinos?
[04:22] <coolkev> for restricted rar
[04:22] <coolkev> it's all been done
[04:22] <coolkev> Dekkard why using version on me>?
[04:22] <dabaR_> sudo aptitude search rar\
[04:22] <DoesntMat> ubuntu only boots up if my apic mode is off in my bios,....but then it fucks my windws os up if i turn it off
[04:22] <dabaR_> no \
[04:23] <Dekkard> coolkev:  because of youir accent
[04:23] <idge> hey does anyone know how to make a boot disk from sbm.bin using dd?
[04:23] <coolkev> huh
[04:23] <coolkev> accent?
[04:23] <coolkev> i'm typing
[04:23] <DoesntMat> thanks for the help guys...better luck next time =(
[04:23] <coolkev> not talking
[04:24] <Dekkard> you type with an accent
[04:24] <dabaR_> did the search?
[04:24] <idge> in the ubuntu 5.04 install cd it tells me to do that
[04:24] <bartekp> siorfin: ipw2100.sf.net
[04:24] <coolkev> Dekkard: please don't lie, just be honest that you checking to see if you can hack or exploit me
[04:24] <dabaR_> hehe, did the search, coolkev?
[04:24] <Dekkard> coolkev:  this is a linux room
[04:25] <Dekkard> dont be silly
[04:25] <coolkev> Dekkard: and if I do speak with an accent i asked a linux question
[04:25] <coolkev> ye i did
[04:25] <raoul> idge: # dd if=smb.bin of=/dev/fd0
[04:25] <coolkev> i don't see restricted rar
[04:25] <dabaR_> ok, did it come up with a package name for unrar-nonfree?
[04:25] <coolkev> ye i see it
[04:25] <dabaR_> ok, sudo aptitude install it
[04:25] <coolkev> non free means i have to pay for it?
[04:25] <dabaR_> yup
[04:26] <dabaR_> to my bank account
[04:26] <idge> raoul: awsome....will try this
[04:26] <dabaR_> cause I told you how...
[04:26] <coolkev> are you jokin or being serious
[04:26] <tiglionabbit> coolkev: nonfree means there is no source code available
[04:26] <dabaR_> no its free like beer
[04:26] <tiglionabbit> it's still free to use though
[04:26] <coolkev> ohh ok
[04:26] <kiwiwikki> anybody know about CUPS unix print...plzz
[04:26] <dabaR_> I dont pay for beer...
[04:26] <dabaR_> I read about it once...
[04:26] <dabaR_> kiwiwikki ^
[04:27] <rossbot> skeebledee
[04:27] <Dekkard> okeee
[04:27] <Dekkard> gettin a bit deep..
[04:27] <kiwiwikki> ye dabar
[04:27] <kiwiwikki> can u hel me
[04:27] <kiwiwikki> can u help me
[04:28] <dabaR_> I read about it once...if you state your issue, I will tell you if I can fix it.
[04:28] <Kyral> Anyone know how to install Eclipse IDE?
[04:28] <kiwiwikki> ok thanks
[04:28] <dabaR_> Kyral go to their site, and downlolad the binary.
[04:28] <dabaR_> then run it, thats it
[04:28] <Kyral> oh...
[04:28] <Kyral> why isn't it in Apt? :P
[04:28] <dabaR_> yeah, I had the same resaction...
[04:29] <dabaR_> figure it out for yourself...
[04:29] <dabaR_> maybe it even is in multiverse, dunno
[04:29] <gm78> Kyral : it is a java program, so since java isnt in ubuntus apt repos, they cant include it
[04:29] <coolkev> can some 1 tell me what I'd type to extract a file with unrar and ave it disable crc or any error checker.. sicne the file is not 100% complete
[04:29] <dabaR_> man rar, I think, or man unrar
[04:30] <gm78> Kyral : altho Red Hat has made it compile with gcj...so maybe it will be included some day
[04:30] <idge> raoul: didn't work...says not a directory. any other ideas?
[04:30] <gegekt> info rar
[04:31] <bartekp> coolkev: kb options
[04:31] <bartekp> option
[04:31] <steven__> is there some kind of program like gift for amd64
[04:32] <gm78> steven__: what exactly does gift do?
[04:32] <coolkev> ok i'm stuck in man unrar
[04:32] <gm78> coolkev : what are you trying to do?
[04:32] <tiglionabbit> coolkev: hit q
[04:32] <transgress> if you are having problems with rar you could always use ark... it handles rars if you have unrar-nonfree
[04:32] <coolkev> like how i go back to console
[04:32] <steven__> gm78, its a pear to pear program
[04:32] <coolkev> ohh no
[04:32] <ninwa> coolkev, ctrl z ?
[04:32] <rossbot> hihi peoples
[04:32] <gegekt> heh, pear to pear
[04:32] <coolkev> q worked
[04:32] <izzo> How do I reset my USB devices?
[04:32] <gm78> coolkev: hitting q works too
[04:33] <izzo> I know you can reset PCMCIA
[04:33] <gm78> steven__: the only ones i know of are limewire and edonkey (limewire is better IMO)
[04:33] <tiglionabbit> coolkev: man opens your pager, which by default is "less".  `man less` to read about how to control it
[04:33] <dabaR_> gtk-gnutella is a ptp shraing.
[04:33] <coolkev> ok the file in in my home folder called file.rar now this file has everything complete except for one file... but i want the unrar to ignore that it's incomplete and extract it regardless
[04:33] <nalioth> gm78: gtk-gnutella i prefer over limewire
[04:33] <ninwa> I use gtk-gnutella
[04:34] <ninwa> works great
[04:34] <dabaR_> yup
[04:34] <ninwa> amazing download speeds
[04:34] <dabaR_> real program.
[04:34] <nalioth> coolkev: type "unrar" or "unrar --help" to find out how
[04:34] <dabaR_> like, has what it needs to have
[04:34] <gm78> ninwa / nalioth : i had problems with gtk-gnutella...altho i guess i could try it again, that was a long time ago
[04:34] <gm78> nalioth : does it do anything better than limewire?
[04:34] <ravenous> can anyone help me setup apt?
[04:34] <nalioth> gm78: it DOESNT use java
[04:34] <steven__> gm78, why it doesnt find the limewire when i hit apt-cache search limewire
[04:34] <gegekt> coolkev, you need to install rar from marillat
[04:34] <dabaR_> that, and it also has a search more...
[04:35] <dabaR_> like, it searches as long as it is on, limewire stops after a while, and there is no search more button
[04:35] <nalioth> ravenous: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptGetHowTo
[04:35] <ravenous> I tried sudo apt-get build-dep gaim and got an error saying I need some source urls
[04:35] <crimsun> (unrar-nonfree is in multiverse)
[04:35] <coolkev> VA-Itation_Sound_-_High_Grade_Forever_Volume_28-(Promo_CD)-2005-MNC/01-va_-_itation_sound_high_grade_forever_volume_28-MNC.mp3 - CRC failed
[04:36] <coolkev> see i get that when i type unrar e file.rar
[04:36] <nalioth> ravenous: ah, then you need to open /etc/apt/sources.list (using sudo) and remove the # from in front of line starting with "deb-src"
[04:36] <gm78> steven__: limewire isnt in ubuntus repos, it is also a java program, u need to grab java from www.java.com and limewire from www.limewire.com
[04:36] <coolkev> it goes all the way to 99% and then screws up
[04:36] <raoul> idge: you must run dd as root to use it on block device as /dev/fd0
[04:36] <dabaR_> and no files, coolkev ?
[04:36] <coolkev> i get the files that are 100%
[04:36] <coolkev> one this one file that is 99% i don't get
[04:36] <dabaR_> ah
[04:37] <xxtreme> ravenous= try installing gaim with synaptic, sometimes apt doesn't find all the dep
[04:37] <dabaR_> ok, whatever, I dont kno.
[04:37] <coolkev> lol
[04:37] <gm78> steven__: if u need help installing it, query me
[04:37] <coolkev> gegekt coolkev, you need to install rar from marillat <--- will this work
[04:37] <steven__> gm78, ok thats cool
[04:37] <dabaR_> its the same one...
[04:37] <Davey> coolkev: a CRC error means you have a b0rked archive
[04:37] <ravenous> gaim is already installed
[04:38] <steven__> why do i get this error duplicate sources.list entry
[04:38] <Davey> what are you trying to install then ravenous ?
[04:38] <Davey> steven__: gedit /etc/apt/sources.list and remove any duplicates :)
[04:38] <tiglionabbit> steven__: perhaps it means you have duplicate entries in sources.list?
[04:39] <ravenous> I have a fresh install of ubuntu, with the default gaim. Someone told me I needed to do the apt-get build-dep gaim to get an xfire plugin working
[04:40] <tiglionabbit> what's the xfire plugin do?
[04:40] <steven__> should i uncomment deb security.ubuntu.com
[04:40] <Davey> tiglionabbit: for?
[04:40] <Davey> oh :)
[04:40] <ravenous> allows you to use xfire through gaim
[04:41] <ravenous> whats the edit command in terminal?
[04:41] <ravenous> to edit the list file
[04:41] <dabaR_> ok, one, two three,,,
[04:41] <transgress> sources.list?  well you could do vi, pico, edit, emacs
[04:41] <Davey> nano
[04:41] <nalioth> ravenous: stick with nano
[04:41] <ravenous> which is easier for a newb?
[04:41] <transgress> learn vi
[04:41] <Davey> nano or pico
[04:41] <nalioth> ravenous: nano
[04:42] <raoul> ravenous: vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:42] <ravenous> so "sudo nano sources.lst"
[04:42] <dabaR_> yes, if you are in /etc/apt
[04:42] <ravenous> so "sudo nano sources.list"
[04:42] <ravenous> i am
[04:42] <zerokills> hey, whats the name of that free firewall?
[04:42] <gm78> ravenous: use nano for cli and gedit for gui, both are very easy
[04:42] <transgress> zerokills: hahahahaha
[04:42] <dabaR_> in Linux? zerokills ?
[04:42] <steven__> whats that of restricted packages int the sources.list file
[04:43] <ravenous> gedit won;t let me un comment
[04:43] <gm78> zerokills : are you thinking of iptables?
[04:43] <coolkev> is gaim buggy when you turn logs on
[04:43] <transgress> ravenous: did you run sudo gedit?
[04:43] <coolkev> ?
[04:43] <WebMaven> How do I take a screenshot when the browser has a dropdown open?
[04:43] <transgress> coolkev: no
[04:43] <ravenous> in terminal?
[04:43] <gm78> ravenous: u need to run it as sudo....otherwise u dont have the permissions necessary to edit the file
[04:43] <odie5533> Is there an IRC client for the console?
[04:43] <zerokills> dabaR_, yea in linux
[04:43] <transgress> WebMaven: print screen button
[04:43] <tiglionabbit> steven__: restricted means formats that aren't "free as in freedom", like windows codecs and java and such
[04:43] <zerokills> gm78, no, not that
[04:43] <dabaR_> eveerything pretty much is free in linux
[04:43] <steven__> oh i c
[04:43] <dabaR_> firestarter, iptables...
[04:43] <WebMaven> transgress, doesn't work if the browser has the dropdown open.
[04:43] <coolkev> ok good cause me and my friends get drunk/high and have very interesting convos but i don't remember them so i wnana log them
[04:43] <nalioth> odie5533: irssi
[04:43] <steven__> well thanks for all the help
[04:44] <zerokills> ahh yea, firestarter
[04:44] <gm78> zerokills : guarddog for kde and firestarter for gnome, firestarter is much easier to use, guarddog gives u more control
[04:44] <transgress> WebMaven: SOL?
[04:44] <zerokills> k thanks
[04:44] <dabaR_> thanks for the laugh
[04:44] <raoul> odie5533: irssi
[04:44] <dabaR_> I mean, nothing mean, just funny.
[04:44] <WebMaven> transgress, that's not helpful.
[04:44] <transgress> WebMaven: but perhaps it's true
[04:45] <YoNecisitoMeAyud> hi
[04:45] <zerokills> dabaR_, thanking me for the laugh?
[04:45] <WebMaven> perhaps, perhaps not. Do you *know* I'm SOL?
[04:45] <YoNecisitoMeAyud> can someone help me?
[04:45] <Mobius> would anyone be willing to help me get my sound working on my asus notebook?
[04:45] <dabaR_> yeah, it was kinda funny how you said whats the name of that free program for linux...
[04:46] <zerokills> ahh right, hehe
[04:46] <YoNecisitoMeAyud> I am new to ubuntu and I am wondering what is the default root password?
[04:46] <WebMaven> Does anyone have a suggestion for taking screenshots if the browser has a dropdown open?
[04:46] <Davey> YoNecisitoMeAyud: there is none
[04:47] <gm78> Mobius: just started a private chat with u
[04:47] <Davey> YoNecisitoMeAyud: prefix a command with "sudo " to make it execute with root perms (give your own user password)
[04:47] <ravenous> gm78 can I send you the error I'm getting?
[04:47] <Davey> YoNecisitoMeAyud: or, if you *need* the root account, "sudo passwd root" and set one
[04:47] <YoNecisitoMeAyud> Davey: what happens when I type su in a terminal
[04:47] <dabaR_> it ndont work
[04:47] <Davey> YoNecisitoMeAyud: it is set you cannot login as root
[04:47] <Davey> YoNecisitoMeAyud: till you set a password.
[04:47] <nalioth> YoNecisitoMeAyud: watch ubotu
[04:48] <nalioth> !root
[04:48] <ubotu> root is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[04:48] <raoul> YoNecisitoMeAyud: sudo passwd root
[04:48] <WebMaven> YoNecisitoMeAyud, you can do sudo su
[04:48] <djs> YoNecisitoMeAyud, use sudo -i (then your own password)
[04:48] <YoNecisitoMeAyud> Thanks
[04:49] <brendan_> Whats another web browser?
[04:49] <coolkev> lsd
[04:49] <lifeless> links
[04:49] <lifeless> lynx
[04:49] <lifeless> telnet
[04:49] <nalioth>  brendan_ there are many
[04:49] <lifeless> mozilla
[04:49] <lifeless> amaya
[04:49] <brendan_> A graphical one
[04:49] <nalioth> kazehakaze
[04:49] <nalioth> dillo
[04:49] <WebMaven> Still wondering how to take a screnshot with a dropdown open in the browser... help?
[04:49] <lifeless> off the top of my head
[04:49] <nalioth> galeon
[04:49] <nalioth> epiphany
[04:49] <amonkey> what's a clock skew? my laptop errors about it when i compile things
[04:49] <brendan_> Whats the one that starts with n
[04:49] <lifeless> firefox
[04:49] <lifeless> netscape
[04:49] <brendan_> Other one
[04:49] <lifeless> nutscrape
[04:49] <brendan_> lol
[04:49] <djs> lol
[04:49] <coolkev> sudo apt-get install lsd
[04:49] <brendan_> nautiluse or something
[04:49] <brendan_> What is it?
[04:50] <nalioth> brendan_: nautilus is a file mangler
[04:50] <WebMaven> what's wrong with FireFox?
[04:50] <brendan_> Damn
[04:50] <brendan_> lol
[04:50] <brendan_> Firefox is going really slow
[04:50] <brendan_> for somereason
[04:50] <nalioth> brendan_: use galeon
[04:50] <brendan_> Im going to try a different browser
[04:50] <brendan_> Okay
[04:50] <WebMaven> number of open winows and tabs?
[04:50] <nalioth> brendan_: galeon uses the gecko engine, but is written in gtk (for gnome)
[04:51] <WebMaven> nalioth, same is true of epiphany, correct?
[04:51] <brendan_> can someone send me their sources file?
[04:51] <brendan_> I cant use firefox at all for somereason
[04:51] <brendan_> It takes 10 mins to load google.com
[04:51] <nalioth> WebMaven: i don't know. i tried epiphany and wasnt impressed
[04:51] <dabaR_> there is a damn small linux browser, very minimalistic...
[04:51] <dabaR_> but, you may be having connection issues
[04:51] <WebMaven> wasn't making a recommendation...
[04:52] <Davey> dabaR_: Dillo?
[04:52] <rc51woody> evening room... during startup when my system states its starting network connections it pauses for a long time.. i have wireless.. but it also gives me a list of files that it ignores also.
[04:52] <nalioth> dabaR_: yes, it's called dillo and it sucks harshly
[04:52] <brendan_> !faq
[04:52] <ubotu> rumour has it, faq is Frequently Asked Questions you can check it out from here ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[04:52] <WebMaven> Ok, still  advice on taking screenshots of browsers with a dropdown open.
[04:53] <WebMaven> Ok, still *need* advice on taking screenshots of browsers with a dropdown open.
[04:53] <dabaR_> I agree, I think he may be having connection issues... ping google, see if it takes longer than 150 ms...
[04:53] <dabaR_> then if it dont] 
[04:53] <dabaR_> clear your cache
[04:53] <dabaR_> and cookies see if that helps
[04:53] <orlando> hey you're having DNS problems too>
[04:53] <dabaR_> maybe he has a full cache
[04:53] <dabaR_> I bet you have Comcast, orlando
[04:54] <orlando> no
[04:54] <orlando> time-warner
[04:54] <dabaR_> hehe, nice, I was wrong...
[04:54] <WebMaven> brendan_, was the FAQ link for me?
[04:54] <hondje> WebMaven: run 'sleep 5; import -window root screenshot.png' and while it waits open the drop box down
[04:54] <dabaR_> nice
[04:55] <odie5533_> How do I change between channels in bitchx?
[04:55] <tiglionabbit> odie5533_: control-X
[04:55] <odie5533_> ty
[04:56] <tiglionabbit> odie5533_: though I really would recommend trying irssi.  http://f0rked.com/core/irssi
[04:56] <Xyc0> wo hooo!! I got my wireless working with NDISWrapper
[04:56] <nalioth> odie5533_: when you get tired of bitch-x, try irssi
[04:56] <Xyc0> its a womderful thing
[04:56] <odie5533_> Ah I think I'll try it right now
[04:56] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: no more ESP (at least aim it somewhere else)
[04:56] <dabaR_> I think google is being slow now...
[04:56] <WebMaven> hondje, 'bash: import: command not found'
[04:57] <tiglionabbit> ESP?
[04:57] <odie5533_> does sudo apt-get install irssi work?
[04:57] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: Extra Sensory Perception (quit reading my mind)
[04:57] <nalioth> odie5533_: it is installed already
[04:57] <tiglionabbit> odie5533_: yes, though I believe it is installed by default
[04:57] <hondje> WebMaven: oh, hrm, it's part of the imagemagick package
[04:57] <Xyc0> I think i have ESPN
[04:57] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: SEE??
[04:57] <nalioth> tiglionabbit: quit it! :)
[04:58] <zerokills> i know you guys were just talking about this, but i forgot already, whats another web browser besides firefox, for gnome
[04:58] <hondje> epiphany, mozilla, galeon
[04:58] <nalioth> zerokills: epiphany, galeon, kazekahaze, dillo
[04:58] <dabaR_> Internet Expplorer...
[04:58] <Xyc0> ha ha ha ha
[04:58] <hondje> opera
[04:58] <auk> epiphany
[04:58] <auk> oh.
[04:58] <auk> ok
[04:58] <robitaille> elinks
[04:58] <auk> opera
[04:58] <nalioth> hondje: fsck opera
[04:58] <auk> lynx
[04:58] <Xyc0> Nautilis works too right?
[04:58] <hondje> nalioth: they're all the same to me
[04:58] <hondje> crap!
[04:59] <auk> ?
[04:59] <nalioth> Xyc0: nautilus is a file mangler
[04:59] <odie5533> Irssi it is ;)
[04:59] <auk> ?
[04:59] <auk> mangler?
[04:59] <Xyc0> nalioth: Cant you use it to view HTML as well?
[04:59] <nalioth> auk: my funny joke (switching "manager" for "mangler"
[04:59] <nalioth> Xyc0: i have no idea
[04:59] <nalioth> Xyc0: i've never tried
[04:59] <dabaR_> no
[05:00] <auk> yes, but do you really thinkit mangles files?
[05:00] <Xyc0> nalioth: I remeber doing it in old RH
[05:00] <auk> no...
[05:00] <nalioth> Xyc0: i think it sucks a file mangler, so i never ever thought about pointing it at the web
[05:00] <auk> only source code
[05:00] <Varanger2> hi crimsun
[05:00] <auk> ?
[05:00] <nalioth> auk: all graphical file things mangle
[05:00] <auk> hmm
[05:00] <hondje> no way
[05:00] <Xyc0> nalioth: do you use konquer?
[05:00] <hondje> there are a lot of times it's faster
[05:00] <tiglionabbit> wtf, file mangler?  It's a file "manager"
[05:00] <Epithett> ubuntu really needs a new way to get linksys usb adapters to work on their system without any heavy duty work
[05:01] <auk> that is one way that the gui wins
[05:01] <auk> in navigating directories.
[05:01] <nalioth> Xyc0: yes i use konqueror
[05:01] <orlando> how do i check which services are running
[05:01] <auk> ps
[05:01] <auk> top
[05:01] <hondje> pstree!
[05:01] <hondje> :)
[05:01] <auk> orlando" *
[05:02] <auk> orlando: *
[05:02] <hondje> or if you're not that lazy, ps auxf
[05:02] <lappy74__> hello i have a question, i need to download the build-essential and kernel headers, is there a repositories for those packages somewhere? i kinda poked around and couldn't find anything of the like
[05:02] <tiglionabbit> orlando: applications->system tools->system monitor
[05:02] <nalioth> lappy74__: they should be there for you
[05:02] <orlando> i dont see nscd listed
[05:02] <orlando> does it not come with ubuntu?
[05:02] <dabaR_> its in main, build-essential is...
[05:03] <nalioth> Zuiden: use synaptic to find them
[05:03] <Zuiden> well i need to download them while in my windows boot
[05:03] <Zuiden> so synaptic isn't an option
[05:03] <nalioth> Zuiden: ah
[05:03] <nalioth> Zuiden: packages.ubuntu.com
[05:03] <Zuiden> unless ubuntu supports wusb11
[05:03] <Zuiden> alright
[05:03] <Zuiden> and the command for installilng a synaptic package is?
[05:03] <auk> orlando: never heard of it.
[05:03] <orlando> name server cache daemon
[05:04] <nalioth> Zuiden: synaptic is a frontend for apt-get
[05:04] <auk> try apt-getting it
[05:04] <Zuiden> oh gotcha
[05:04] <orlando> apt-get nscd?
[05:04] <nalioth> what is nscd?
[05:04] <auk> maybe
[05:04] <dabaR_> you mean once you have the deb how to install it, Zuiden
[05:04] <orlando> name server cache daemon
[05:04] <odie5533> How do I enable color highlighting in VIM?
[05:04] <Zuiden> exatly
[05:04] <Zuiden> i know in fedora i could rpm
[05:04] <auk> blah
[05:05] <Zuiden> rpm [package] 
[05:05] <tiglionabbit> odie5533: vimtutor and read the very last section
[05:05] <nalioth> Zuiden: here it's "apt-get install <pkgname>"
[05:05] <auk> sudo *
[05:05] <Zuiden> so CD to the directory and apt get install
[05:05] <auk> tothe dir?
[05:05] <auk> is the package on your hard dirve?
[05:05] <tiglionabbit> Zuiden: if you're used to using the rpm command, apt will be a huge breath of fresh air.  It finds the dependencies for you!
[05:05] <orlando> synaptic is just the gui for apt-get right?
[05:05] <orlando> same thing? same packages?
[05:06] <tiglionabbit> yes
[05:06] <Zuiden> haha
[05:06] <auk> yep
[05:06] <tiglionabbit> that's why it's called synAPTic
[05:06] <orlando> ok thanks
[05:06] <Zuiden> well i was using the fedora thing where all i had to was double click on the rpm and it did all that for me anyways
[05:06] <auk> Zuiden: apt takes them off a server, not your hard dirve
[05:06] <auk> but you can configure it to take them off your hard dirve...
[05:07] <Zuiden> how does one go about that?
[05:07] <auk> http://puggy.symonds.net/~rajesh/localdeb.html
[05:07] <auk> baaaaad colors and fonts on that page, though
[05:07] <auk> =(
[05:07] <Zuiden> i will just highlight it
[05:07] <Zuiden> haha
[05:08] <auk> hehe
[05:08] <auk> try it with lynx
[05:08] <tiglionabbit> Zuiden: apt downloads packages
[05:08] <tiglionabbit> if you want something like rpm, use dpkg
[05:08] <regeya> indeed.
[05:08] <tiglionabbit> Apt gets things from the sources listed in the file /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:08] <Zuiden> well i pretty new to linux so i can learn either way
[05:09] <regeya> I make anti-RH zealots mad by telling them that dpkg is less powerful than apt-rpm.
[05:09] <tiglionabbit> regeya: why not say yum?  And apt-get is good
[05:09] <auk> Zuiden: what package do you want?
[05:09] <Zuiden> fedora core was nice but i couldn't get my wusb11 ver 2.6 to work on it
[05:09] <Zuiden> build-essential
[05:10] <regeya> tiglionabbit, for this argument to work, you have to compare dpkg to apt-rpm. ;-)
[05:10] <regeya> "apt is soooo much more powerful than rpm" <- die
[05:10] <tiglionabbit> that's just being silly
[05:10] <nalioth> i used apt-rpm and RPMs still sucked
[05:10] <Zuiden> i need to get build-essential and the headers for the kernel
[05:10] <FlannelKing> Anyone know anything about SELinux in ubuntu?
[05:11] <tiglionabbit> Zuiden: say sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:11] <regeya> nalioth: there are reasons for that, and it's mainly 'coz people suck :-)
[05:11] <auk> yee
[05:11] <auk> yes
[05:11] <regeya> meaning package maintainers
[05:11] <nalioth> regeya: i'm sure
[05:11] <Zuiden> except i have no internet access on my OS
[05:11] <Zuiden> haha
[05:11] <freddy_> im looking forward on ubuntu cause im tired of rpm :D wich side should i get?
[05:11] <auk> what?!!????
[05:11] <tiglionabbit> Zuiden: OH NO!  Debian is crippled without internet
[05:11] <Zuiden> i need to download build essential so i can install the drivers
[05:11] <Zuiden> no way!
[05:11] <Zuiden> i couldn't of guessed
[05:11] <Zuiden> haha
[05:11] <tiglionabbit> Zuiden: can you dial in to another machine?
[05:11] <orlando> in synaptic, whats the difference between 'mark for removal' and 'mark for complete removal'
[05:12] <Zuiden> no
[05:12] <auk> you are on here.
[05:12] <FlannelKing> configuation files
[05:12] <regeya> freddy_: ?
[05:12] <nalioth> orlando: configurartion files
[05:12] <auk> Zuiden: what comp are you on now?
[05:12] <Zuiden> i am using a WUSB11 ver 2.6 with an atmel chipset
[05:12] <Zuiden> same one
[05:12] <gm78> freddy_: r u thinking kubuntu and ubuntu?
[05:12] <tiglionabbit> orlando: generally you want to pick complete removal if you don't plan on installing the program again
[05:12] <orlando> oh ok
[05:12] <freddy_> no lol, rpm lovers and apt lovers
[05:13] <Zuiden> except unless i am running mandrake 10 i am not getting anywhere without having to install the drivers
[05:13] <FlannelKing> no one knows anything about security permissions?
[05:13] <freddy_> i hate rpm, i love urpmi tho
[05:13] <auk> but how are you talking on here w/o internet?
[05:13] <Zuiden> errrr
[05:13] <|QuaD-> if i dist upgrade from sarge -> hoary, how stable is that?
[05:13] <Zuiden> i am on my windows partition right now
[05:13] <tiglionabbit> FlannelKing: what type of permissions?  You mean unix file permissions?
[05:13] <auk> oh.
[05:14] <tiglionabbit> |QuaD-: I wouldn't imagine it would be very stable..
[05:14] <|QuaD-> tiglionabbit: i heard it was, wasn't sure thoug
[05:14] <tiglionabbit> but I'm not completely sure
[05:14] <auk> but you cannot get internet on ubuntu??
[05:14] <FlannelKing> No, I mean security context permissions
[05:14] <Zuiden> i cannot pick up my USB Network Access Point
[05:14] <Zuiden> so i need to install the drivers
[05:15] <Zuiden> does the 5.04 have support for atmel chipsets?
[05:15] <FlannelKing> tiglionabbit, no, I mean security context stuff, as in SELinux, at least I think I do.
[05:15] <tiglionabbit> I don't know what SELinux is...
[05:15] <rronkivx> i love ubuntu
[05:15] <FlannelKing> Its apparently a library, and its in ubuntu, but no one seems to know anything about it
[05:16] <Zuiden> man i just read about it
[05:16] <FlannelKing> libselinux1 is the package
[05:16] <Zuiden> its in FC4
[05:16] <auk> Zuiden: hmm then try downloadign the package on windows, transfering it to the linux partition, and setting up apt to do local fielsliek on thatlink i gave3 you
[05:16] <dabaR_> I hate it.
[05:16] <auk> ?
[05:16] <Zuiden> thats what i am planning to do
[05:16] <auk> ok
[05:16] <tiglionabbit> auk: you could tell him to use dpkg for that
[05:16] <auk> oh, yeah
[05:16] <auk> thendo that
[05:16] <dabaR_> auk no, just get the packages, and dpkg -i package them
[05:16] <Zuiden> dpkg?
[05:16] <auk> dabaR_: what?
[05:17] <dabaR_> he should do that.
[05:17] <auk> man dpkg
[05:17] <tiglionabbit> Zuiden: dpkg is debians version of rpm.  man dpkg and read about it
[05:17] <dabaR_> Zuiden just get the files from the archives, and dpkg -i package.deb
[05:17] <bddebian> pfft, dpkg / apt* r0x rpm :-)
[05:17] <Zuiden> oh good deal
[05:17] <Zuiden> saves me a bunch of time
[05:17] <dabaR_> read the man if you really feel like it...
[05:18] <Zuiden> haha
[05:18] <Zuiden> i bet its a great read
[05:18] <dabaR_> lol
[05:18] <odie5533> Anyone here know how to enable C++ highlighting in VIM?
[05:18] <dabaR_> I am installing Ubuntu now, you think it will play nice with my windows partition?
[05:18] <crimsun> odie5533: :syn on
[05:19] <auk> yes
[05:19] <auk> dabaR_: it will play very nicely, but not the other wa yaround.
[05:19] <dabaR_> yeah, hey, it did not before, we'll see.
[05:19] <odie5533> crimsun: thankyou
[05:20] <auk> mine gave me a default entry in grub and set it up to the master boo trecord and everything automated.
[05:20] <ajmitch> FlannelKing: what do you want to know about selinux & ubuntu?
[05:20] <kloster> were can i download the new kernel for ubuntu
[05:20] <dabaR_> I am hoping actually that GRUB will pick up Debian on the other hard drive, and windows, and the Ubuntu, off course.
[05:21] <dabaR_> "the new kernel for ubuntu"
[05:21] <FlannelKing> ajmitch: I want to know what the equivalent command to chcon is.  Well, ultimately I want to know how to make it stop being a problem for apache/svn
[05:21] <Zuiden> automatically?
[05:21] <kloster> 2.6.12.1 for ubuntu
[05:22] <ajmitch> FlannelKing: SELinux isn't enabled in ubuntu
[05:22] <FlannelKing> ajmitch, Ive set up everything else (apache/svn) correctly, except I keep getting permission errors for my svn repo
[05:22] <ajmitch> unless you've set it up yourself
[05:22] <FlannelKing> ajmitch: there's a libselinux1 package, enabled by default
[05:22] <FlannelKing> ajmitch: at least, it's enabled, but I didnt do it.
[05:23] <ajmitch> FlannelKing: that's a library package, and selinux is not enabled in the kernel, nor is the policy loaded
[05:23] <FlannelKing> ajmitch: does that enable it? or is that just stuff incase something needs it?
[05:23] <Zuiden> kloster i think the kernel image is in synaptic
[05:23] <ajmitch> that's just code for userspace apps for setting/checking contexts, etc
[05:23] <FlannelKing> ajmitch: alright, thanks, Ive been trying to figure out the deal with that for ... well, 12 hours now.  And no one could tell me
[05:23] <bddebian> ajmitch: Oh suuure, won't help me eh?? :-)
[05:23] <FlannelKing> yeah, I wasnt sure if it was or not
[05:23] <FlannelKing> but, I still have the problem of permissions then
[05:23] <kloster> i dont think so for that kernel version?
[05:23] <kloster> 2.6.12.1?
[05:24] <Zuiden> they have linux-source-2.6.12
[05:24] <Zuiden> i am looking at it right now on packages.ubuntu.com
[05:24] <ajmitch> FlannelKing: yes, is it a fsfs repository?
[05:24] <Zuiden> are you running breezy?
[05:24] <FlannelKing> ajmitch and there was absolutely no documentation about it
[05:24] <FlannelKing> ajmitch yeah, fsfs, owned by www-data
[05:25] <kloster> im not running breezy
[05:25] <FlannelKing> ajmitch its a new repo, never had anything added to it
[05:25] <ajmitch> there usually isn't documentation on libraries
[05:25] <ajmitch> and what's the svn problem?
[05:25] <cdc> do you guys customize Ubuntu?
[05:26] <FlannelKing> bottom of this page: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=15809
[05:26] <cdc> or just use it as u get it?
[05:26] <fidget> hurray! I fixed my fstab problem much thanks to everyone who helped!!
[05:26] <FlannelKing> well, its changed a little since then, but it's all right, at least, as far as the guys over at #svn can tell
[05:26] <robitaille> cdc: customize?  as in changing the look of your screen?  yes.  colors, themes, my panels, are all different from a default one.
[05:26] <tiglionabbit> cdc: synaptic makes it easy to install and remove programs, and if you go to gnome-look.org you can find some themes and such
[05:27] <Zuiden> blah there is no one on the breezy torrent
[05:27] <transgress> Zuiden: you don't wanna run breezy
[05:27] <oofnik> does anyone feel like helping out a new ubuntu user with sound?
[05:27] <transgress> Zuiden: /topic
[05:27] <ajmitch> FlannelKing: what does ls -lad /var/devel/svn show?
[05:28] <kloster> can i use breezy packages? my pc dont collapse?
[05:28] <FlannelKing> drwxr-xr-x  7 www-data www-data 4096 2005-06-22 01:17 /var/devel/svn
[05:28] <Zuiden> whats wrong with using breezy?
[05:28] <ajmitch> and /var/devel/svn/format
[05:28] <auk> i would be very impressed if you got your pc to collapse :D
[05:28] <robitaille> Zuiden:  it's very unstable, and break quite often
[05:28] <ajmitch> Zuiden: it's in development, so you get to keep the pieces when it breaks
[05:28] <FlannelKing> -r--r--r--  1 www-data www-data 2 2005-06-22 01:17 /var/devel/svn/format
[05:28] <|QuaD-> anyone using hoary's hula package?
[05:29] <ajmitch> FlannelKing: chmod ug+w /var/devel/svn/format
[05:29] <Zuiden> ah so breezy is the bleeding edge's bleeding edge?
[05:29] <orlando> synaptic says i have linux-image-386 installed... shouldnt it be 686? i have a pentium 3
[05:29] <ajmitch> FlannelKing: I'm only guessing based on the svn+ssh repository I have here
[05:29] <Zuiden> alpha tsting and so forth
[05:29] <ajmitch> Zuiden: more or less
[05:29] <dabaR_> cdc I just install ubuntu, and whatevedr comes with it I use that, and ignore the thousands of packages in the repositories...
[05:29] <|QuaD-> orlando: how much ram you have
[05:29] <robitaille> Zuiden:  one some days, it's not even the edge, it's off the table
[05:29] <orlando> 320mb RAM
[05:29] <FlannelKing> why would it create the repo with the other permissions then?
[05:29] <auk> |QuaD: in aobut thirty seconds
[05:29] <oofnik> if anyone has an audigy 2 sound card working under hoary please let me know... thanks everyone
[05:29] <|QuaD-> orlando: i would stick with the 386
[05:29] <Zuiden> haha
[05:29] <auk> |QuaD-: *
[05:29] <|QuaD-> auk: till you use hula?
[05:30] <auk> yep
[05:30] <orlando> oh ok
[05:30] <ajmitch> FlannelKing: I don't know, and my repository is not on an ubuntu or debian box :)
[05:30] <|QuaD-> auk: i wanna know how stable it is
[05:30] <bddebian> ajmitch: blasphemy
[05:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: oh, it's you..
[05:30] <ajmitch> :)
[05:30] <bddebian> :'-(
[05:31] <dabaR_> oofnik I know a person that has it working
[05:31] <Zuiden> whats hula?
[05:31] <dabaR_> not in breezy, tho...
[05:31] <auk> hmm what is the binary called?
[05:31] <|QuaD-> Zuiden: yeah
[05:31] <flankk> i am using the xfce mail checker with a pop server, works fine.. but the icon stays red after my mail has been checked. is there a way around this?
[05:31] <Zuiden> haha
[05:31] <dabaR_> disable the on board in bios.
[05:32] <oofnik> dabaR_ what type of audigy do you have?
[05:32] <rcec52> Anyone experience kubuntu network setting disruptions?
[05:32] <Zunderholz> I'm having trouble finding the w32codec package
[05:32] <auk> |QuaD-: where id the binary?
[05:32] <|QuaD-> auk: when you get it up and running can you pm the results, how easy it was, etc
[05:32] <|QuaD-> auk: no idea... don't have it up
[05:32] <FlannelKing> ajmitch: nope, didnt help.
[05:32] <tiglionabbit> Zunderholz: add the universe and multiverse repositories
[05:32] <dabaR_> oofnik I dont.
[05:33] <dabaR_> oofnik disable the on board in bios, look at forums(search for esd alsa sound linux) and ask crimsun
[05:33] <rcec52> Everyone here running Ubuntu?
[05:33] <dabaR_> if you do all those, it will work.
[05:33] <ajmitch> FlannelKing: keep checking up the tree, /var/devel, /var, to make sure that www-data has at least read & execute permissions on the dirs
[05:33] <cdc> i needto compile packages or rather compile the kernel and stuff like that. For doing all these is Ubuntu the right distro?
[05:33] <oofnik> dabaR_ onboard is off, it worked well in windows, as well as knoppix live and FC4
[05:33] <hondje> for that stuff, all distros are the same
[05:34] <ajmitch> cdc: why do you need to compile the kernel?
[05:34] <dabaR_> oofnik ok, go one with my procedure...
[05:34] <dabaR_> go on, rather.
[05:34] <psirix> can someone help me with a problem im having with ubuntu? please pm me
[05:35] <oofnik> hah it's what i've been doing for the last six hours.. i've changed so many settings
[05:35] <cdc> ajmitch, i need to get the IPSec code and then i need to compile the kernel
[05:35] <oofnik> recompiled and reinstalled alsa as well and that didn't help..
[05:35] <hondje> IPSec and a desktop distro?
[05:35] <Zuiden> does Hoary ship with 2.6.10 as default?
[05:35] <oofnik> psirix what kind of problem are you having
[05:35] <ajmitch> Zuiden: yes..
[05:35] <ajmitch> hondje: why not?
[05:35] <psirix> error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[05:36] <ajmitch> ipsec has its uses, although I'd think that ipsec is already enabled in the kernel for those that want to use it
[05:36] <psirix> thats what i get when i try to install applications
[05:36] <oofnik> psirix, you need to install gcc
[05:36] <cdc> hondje, IPSec and a desktop distro ? i ve not done kernel compilation and stuff like that so i need to learn all those
[05:36] <ajmitch> psirix: so.. apt-get install build-essential, or get that package in synaptic
[05:36] <psirix> it doesnt come with the install of ubuntu?
[05:36] <oofnik> try: sudo apt-get install gcc
[05:36] <oofnik> as well as what ajmitch said
[05:36] <_cat> what is unbutu ?
[05:36] <transgress> oofnik: that's wrong.  he just needs build-essential
[05:36] <cdc> hondje, i need to learn the compilation process loading of modules and all those which distro would be apt to learn ?
[05:36] <dabaR_> oofnik I would search the forums for what I had said earlier, there is an article about sound in linux, that is what you could try following, and then also I know for a fact that crimsun can fix audigy2...I think I know for a fact, anyhow.
[05:36] <bob233> help please, my ubuntu keep crashing for no reason, completely freezes, dmesg shows nothing unusual, my ubuntu is posessed! help
[05:37] <hondje> Sure, lots of uses, but also silly....like running solarix x86 on a laptop, or getting hardware acceleration for your gfx card working with gentoo hardened
[05:37] <auk> |QuaD-: i am not going to install it...
[05:37] <hondje> cdc: they're all the same
[05:37] <hondje> one kernel is the same as another
[05:37] <_cat> can i add unbutu source to debian source.list ?
[05:37] <psirix> thanks, i'll give that a shot
[05:37] <tiglionabbit> cdc: gentoo?
[05:37] <Zunderholz> I added the universe and multiverse repositories, and I still don't see w32codecs
[05:37] <oofnik> thanks dabaR_, i'll see if he's around
[05:37] <auk> it removed a package that it needs to function...
[05:37] <auk> :postfix"
[05:37] <tiglionabbit> _cat: not recommended..
[05:37] <psirix> so now does sudoa pt-get automatically download and configure certain applications?
[05:37] <|QuaD-> auk: ok
[05:37] <tiglionabbit> Zunderholz: have you updated/reloaded ?
[05:38] <auk> looks like a headache in waiting
[05:38] <auk> sorry
[05:38] <zenlunatic> psirix: man it
[05:38] <tiglionabbit> psirix: yep
[05:38] <|QuaD-> auk: heh
[05:38] <|QuaD-> np
[05:38] <psirix> cool
[05:38] <cdc> tiglionabbit, u use gentoo?
[05:38] <zenlunatic> psirix: oh nm
[05:38] <tiglionabbit> cdc: no, I use ubuntu
[05:38] <psirix> hmm, now im getting another error, im trying to install fluxbox
[05:38] <auk> if oyu want a reiview, though...checkout this link: http://arstechnica.com/columns/linux/linux-20050320.ars
[05:38] <rcec52> Anyone go Gnome Apt Software manager install? Question. . .it asks for superuser 'root' password. ..what do you enter?
[05:38] <psirix> it says error: c++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
[05:39] <tiglionabbit> rcec52:
[05:39] <Zuiden> is there any reason for updating to 2.6.12?
[05:39] <tiglionabbit> !root
[05:39] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:39] <zenlunatic> rcec52: root password
[05:39] <hondje> psirix: why not just apt-get install fluxbox?
[05:39] <auk> rcec52: if you are the only user, your passwd
[05:39] <bob233> can someone help please, my ubuntu keeps crashing, i thikn its X related, something about ati cards not liking 3d acceleratgion or something
[05:39] <psirix> idk im trying to learn
[05:39] <psirix> lol
[05:39] <tiglionabbit> zenlunatic: no, that's wrong, he uses user password
[05:39] <rcec52> Thanks
[05:39] <FlannelKing> ajmitch: nope, that still didnt help, everything has rwx permissions for ug
[05:39] <Dj_AlTeK> hey ne1 here know how to edit the wine config file??
[05:40] <auk> anyone know howoto give bash colors?
[05:40] <zenlunatic> auk: man bash
[05:40] <auk> or, gnome-terminal instead?
[05:40] <zenlunatic> auk: google bash cusonmization
[05:40] <Zuiden> go to your monitor
[05:40] <tiglionabbit> auk: which terminal are you using?  xterm should do it
[05:40] <hondje> ~/.bashrc
[05:40] <rcec52> passwd donen't work as root password. . . I'm the only user on the system. . .
[05:40] <Zuiden> mess with the colour option ;)
[05:40] <auk> gnome-terminal
[05:41] <auk> i mean color-coding, not just all the text one color
[05:41] <Dj_AlTeK> hey ne1 here know how to edit the wine config file??
[05:41] <dabaR_> there is a edit prefs color scheme for that...
[05:41] <dabaR_> something through the gui.
[05:41] <auk> like on a KNOPPIX boot
[05:41] <hondje> man dircolors, and edit your .bashrc
[05:41] <bob233> hey folks, this is my first time on #ubuntu, help a noob out please, just give me some pointers ill do the rest, comp frezes over and over
[05:41] <oofnik> Dj_AlTeK install winesetuptk
[05:41] <tiglionabbit> auk: edit-> current profile  should let you change the colors you're using.  All 16 of them
[05:41] <siorfin> so does anyone know how to get ipw2100 working in ubuntu, it refuses to work or even recognize my wireless router
[05:42] <siorfin> worked two days ago whne i was running fedora
[05:42] <Dj_AlTeK> oofnik: where can i get that? or does it come with wine?
[05:42] <hondje> siorfin: did you laod the module?
[05:42] <ajmitch> FlannelKing: and is www-data the owner of /var/devel?
[05:42] <rcec52> once again. . .how do I get this gnome apt software manager to allow me to sign into it properly? When I installed Ubuntu it didn't ask for a root password. . .
[05:42] <tiglionabbit> bob233: no idea, but I've heard that from a few people
[05:42] <oofnik> you can install it, it's a package, just do apt-get install winesetuptk
[05:42] <dabaR_> nice, it looks like my Ubuntu GRUB picked up all my OSs.
[05:42] <hondje> rcec52: just use your passwd
[05:42] <tiglionabbit> rcec52: why not use synaptic?  And it's your user password
[05:42] <Zuiden> bob233 i would try a reinstall
[05:42] <Zuiden> maybe try a different distro
[05:43] <FlannelKing> ajmitch no, just the svn repository /var/devel/svn
[05:43] <bob233> tiglionabbit: yea people with ati cards have this prob and i saw a wiki page showing how to fix it by disabling 2d and 3d acceleration but now i dunno how to find that page again :(
[05:43] <auk> rcec52: enter your passwoird
[05:43] <rcec52> I've got synaptic installed and running I thought I would want to see any software differences. ..
[05:43] <dabaR_> nice I booted into windows...
[05:43] <bob233> Zuiden: but i just got everything working and instaled on this one :(
[05:43] <psirix> is there a way to apt-get x window system libraries and headers?
[05:43] <DannoHung> Blargh, how do you recompile an application that you downloaded a package for?
[05:44] <rcec52> I still get a wrong password error with this gnome apt. . .
[05:45] <Dj_AlTeK> oofnik: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/176 thats what i get when i try that
[05:45] <auk> can oyu get into synaptic?
[05:45] <DannoHung> Yesh, yesh I can
[05:45] <tiglionabbit> rcec52: when you installed it, did it have an ubuntu logo by it in synaptic?  It may not be meant for ubuntu.  You can create a root password by saying `sudo passwd`
[05:45] <ajmitch> FlannelKing: so chmod o+rx /var/devel, check if it helps
[05:45] <bob233> and why the hek should ubuntu have this gigantic bug with xorg, im gonna install debian
[05:45] <tiglionabbit> rcec52: though ubuntu does not recommend having the root account usable
[05:45] <regeya> gigantic bug in xorg, eh
[05:46] <Dj_AlTeK> oofnik you get it??
[05:46] <Amaranth> bob233: Are you using the 2.6.11 kernel in hoary?
[05:46] <FlannelKing> that didnt change anything... you mean the svn directory (the actual repo?)
[05:46] <bob233> 2.6.10
[05:46] <bob233> hoary
[05:46] <TokenBad> woo...new background for machine will look awsome when rendering is done
[05:46] <oofnik> ehh.. give me a sec Dj_AlTeK
[05:46] <FlannelKing> ajmitch that didnt change anything... you mean the svn directory (the actual repo?)
[05:46] <Amaranth> bob233: Ok, that's not it then.
[05:46] <Dj_AlTeK> k oofnik
[05:46] <rcec52> No there wasn't a ubuntu icon by it when I installed it with synaptic. . .so I guess it won't work. .
[05:46] <bob233> Amaranth: how to you update the kernel? how come i didnt get 2.6.11?
[05:47] <bob233> should i compile it?
[05:47] <Amaranth> bob233: You don't want 2.6.11.
[05:47] <oofnik> Amaranth what's wrong with 2.6.11?
[05:47] <bob233> Amaranth: linus got ahead of himself again?
[05:47] <Amaranth> bob233: The 2.6.11 in hoary is a prerelease version that pretty much just locks up your system as soon as GNOME starts.
[05:47] <Amaranth> no, the real 2.6.11 is good
[05:47] <Amaranth> the one in hoary is a prerelease version
[05:47] <oofnik> Dj_AlTeK accept the chat invite i sent you
[05:48] <oofnik> ah.. i see
[05:48] <bob233> ah, ok, so anyone knows about this problem with X crashing? i cant find a thing in log files
[05:48] <Dj_AlTeK> i cant dcc
[05:48] <crazyhorse> mh i never got a vanilla kernel running in ubuntu
[05:48] <ajmitch> FlannelKing: no, I meant /var/devel
[05:48] <Amaranth> bob233: anything in dmesg?
[05:48] <FlannelKing> ajmitch: it already was +rx for owner
[05:48] <bob233> nothing unusual,
[05:48] <crazyhorse> it ever freezes my sys just after grub is finished
[05:48] <oofnik> Dj_AlTeK how come?
[05:48] <Amaranth> or /var/log/?
[05:48] <Dj_AlTeK> oofnik: dunno
[05:48] <Amaranth> can't remember the exact name
[05:48] <ajmitch> FlannelKing: rwxrwxr-x ?
[05:48] <ajmitch> or similar?
[05:48] <FlannelKing> yep
[05:48] <FlannelKing> exactly that
[05:49] <ajmitch> ok
[05:49] <bob233> i read a post about it, the solution was to disable 3d and 2d acceleration, apparently ubuntu has this bug with some ati cards, if i find it again i will post the link so you guys wont think im making this up
[05:49] <rcec52> Will there be alot to expect with the next installment of 'Ubuntu?' I know the Kubuntu will have alot of software package updates I suspect. . .
[05:49] <FlannelKing> ajmitch: got it working
[05:49] <dabaR_> Ill still think you just wrote it up and hacked the server...
[05:49] <oofnik> Dj_AlTeK i think you need to enable universe and multiverse sources, let me find you a link
[05:49] <Zunderholz> tiglionabbit:   I've added all the repositories, done an apt-get update and I still can't get w32codecs.   I tried searching in Synaptic, but it finds nothing
[05:49] <hondje> omg haxor!!!
[05:49] <FlannelKing> ajmitch: guys over at svn told me to +rwx the repo
[05:50] <oofnik> Dj go here: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[05:50] <Dj_AlTeK> thanx oofnik
[05:50] <bob233> Amaranth: you knwo what im gonna go for a fresh install, do you thnk its too much pain to go for debian instead of ubuntu? i had to reinstall ubuntu like 10 times so far
[05:50] <oofnik> no problem, let me know if you get it to work
[05:50] <Dj_AlTeK> will do
[05:50] <Amaranth> bob233: Well, sarge has GNOME 2.8
[05:51] <Amaranth> bob233: And debian unstable is about to break as bad as breezy has been broken
[05:51] <bddebian> Zunderholz: I haven't seen the whole conversation but you could try "sudo apt-cache dump |grep codec" to make sure you have the right package name
[05:51] <rcec52> I installed Debian and couldn't get the Wifi installation to work with my system. . .
[05:51] <bob233> Amaranth: is there any good kde based distros? i bought a b ook on kde and kubuntu sucked, next time i wanna go for some distro based on kde
[05:51] <FlannelKing> alright, back to the lot of you, I have apache running, and mysql, but myapache log gets.... a lot of errors: PHP Warning:  Function registration failed - duplicate name - mysql_num_fields in Unknown on line 0
[05:51] <hondje> Amaranth: sid is about to be sid again?
[05:51] <Amaranth> hondje: aye, sid is going to break your toys
[05:51] <hondje> Amaranth: thanks for the warning :D
[05:52] <Amaranth> hondje: i know of at least a gcc4 transition and python 2.4 transition
[05:52] <FlannelKing> about... 70 of them, each time apache starts, anyone know how to fix it?
[05:52] <TokenBad> hows going hondje?
[05:52] <TokenBad> you good?
[05:52] <Amaranth> there are probably more things that are going to break your toys horribly
[05:52] <hondje> Amaranth: oh, that'll be ugly...time to run backups then :)
[05:52] <hondje> TokenBad: Doing good, bit tired, you?
[05:52] <TokenBad> pretty good..chilling and waiting on this new render to finish
[05:53] <Zuiden> THIS TORRENT IS SO SLOW
[05:53] <dabaR_> this is not a torrent, its IRC...
[05:53] <Zuiden> i have met lab rats with one leg that can go fast than this
[05:53] <oofnik> haha
[05:53] <Zuiden> you are right
[05:53] <ajmitch> FlannelKing: ok, good
[05:53] <Zuiden> no wonder nothing is downloading
[05:53] <Toba> how would I install from a .deb file?
[05:54] <oofnik> um.. synaptic?
[05:54] <Zuiden> dpkg right?
[05:54] <dabaR_> dpkg -i synaptic.deb
[05:54] <FlannelKing> ajmitch: well, that and I tried https, but I dont know what in my conf file made it have to be ssl, do you?
[05:54] <Toba> ty
[05:54] <dabaR_> toba manitoba?
[05:54] <Zuiden> whats does dpkg do?
[05:54] <hondje> TokenBad: render of what?
[05:54] <dabaR_> man dpkg
[05:54] <dabaR_> haha
[05:54] <psirix> what's the difference between using sudo apt-get and just apt-get?
[05:54] <ajmitch> FlannelKing: well you'd need to setup an ssl certificate
[05:54] <oofnik> when all else fails haha
[05:54] <oofnik> sudo makes you do it as root
[05:55] <crazyhorse> psirix, sudo apt-get makes apt-get run with root privileges
[05:55] <dabaR_> apt-get without sudo(unless you are root) does not work,...
[05:55] <psirix> ah
[05:55] <psirix> thanks
[05:55] <oofnik> yup
[05:55] <FlannelKing> I did that, and that all works, but what in my config makes it so I can only access it over https? rather than normal http?
[05:55] <dabaR_> thats a big difference...
[05:55] <tiglionabbit> psirix: apt-get has to run with root privileges.  sudo adds root to anything
[05:55] <oofnik> oh, regarding that.. anybody know how to disable root password?
[05:55] <psirix> gotcha
[05:55] <dabaR_> !root
[05:55] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:55] <oofnik> i did sudo passwd and now i want to undo that..
[05:55] <dabaR_> it shows it there.
[05:55] <FlannelKing> ajmitch: I did that, and that all works, but what in my config makes it so I can only access it over https? rather than normal http?
[05:55] <psirix> is there anyway to get the x window system libraries and headers using apt-get?
[05:55] <psirix> i need those to instlal fluxbox
[05:55] <Zuiden> what does sudo stand for?
[05:56] <dabaR_> on top of a server install?
[05:56] <hondje> psirix: apt-get install fluxbox
[05:56] <oofnik> super user DO
[05:56] <dabaR_> strangely unusual
[05:56] <dabaR_> difference octal
[05:56] <oofnik> or something to that effect
[05:56] <Zuiden> gotcha
[05:56] <psirix> it says couldn't find package flubxox
[05:56] <psirix> fluxbox*
[05:56] <crazyhorse> FlannelKing, i suggest you configure a redirection from http zu https.
[05:56] <hondje> psirix: add the universe repositories
[05:56] <dabaR_> sudo aptitude search fluxbox
[05:56] <oofnik> dabaR_ !root doesn't do anything?
[05:57] <TokenBad> hondje, new background for my computer
[05:57] <hondje> TokenBad: ah
[05:57] <Toba> hrm
[05:57] <FlannelKing> yeah, I will, but I was just wondering why its required to be https.
[05:57] <TokenBad> I do my own graphics
[05:57] <Toba> just installed skype from the .dep file
[05:57] <Toba> using -i
[05:57] <Toba> and it won't run ;(
[05:57] <psirix> hondje: how would i go about doing that?
[05:57] <tiglionabbit> oofnik: man passwd, look for the part where it tells you how to set it to a password that cannot be entered
[05:57] <dabaR_> oofnik, !root makes ubotu give you the URL of the page where your question is answered.
[05:57] <dabaR_> like so:
[05:57] <dabaR_> !root
[05:57] <ubotu> hmm... root is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:58] <oofnik> thanks guys
[05:58] <hondje> psirix: in the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[05:58] <psirix> then what? i kinda need help im a newb
[05:59] <dabaR_> psirix go sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list in a terminal
[05:59] <psirix> just uncomment the file?
[05:59] <dabaR_> and follow the instructions in the file.
[05:59] <psirix> yeah i used nano
[05:59] <dabaR_> yes, ,remove the # from the universe line.
[05:59] <psirix> i kinda know how to do stuff
[05:59] <psirix> but not really
[05:59] <hondje> Yes, where it says 'uncomment the following two lines'
[05:59] <tiglionabbit> psirix: uncomment the lines that have one hash
[05:59] <psirix> lol
[05:59] <psirix> thanks
[05:59] <IcemanV9> fluxbox is in the universe packages
[06:00] <dabaR_> hey, thanks,m IcemanV9 we were all wondering where they were;)
[06:01] <FlannelKing> Im running apache2/php/mysql and each time I restart apache, I get about 70 errors like this: PHP Warning:  Function registration failed - duplicate name - mysql_num_fields in Unknown on line 0.  Anyone know what that could be?
[06:01] <dabaR_> I hate the big installation at first boot of ubuntu
[06:01] <IcemanV9> fluxbox version is 0.9.11-1 if you want to know
[06:01] <tiglionabbit> dabaR_: how else would you want it?
[06:01] <dabaR_> and then after that, I need to upgrade to hoary...I still do that...
[06:01] <tiglionabbit> why don't you start with hoary?
[06:01] <dabaR_> I am impatient(just installed Sarge, XP, and now Ubuntu
[06:01] <dabaR_> cant wait to start using it...
[06:02] <dabaR_> still have only the warty cd, prolly time to get the other one...
[06:02] <dabaR_> this works, thats the thing:)
[06:02] <tiglionabbit> download!
[06:02] <tiglionabbit> hehe
[06:02] <dabaR_> I will, I have partial files, I think somewhere...
[06:03] <Dj_AlTeK> hey offnik i downloaded winesetuptk
[06:03] <DannoHung> Hmmm... how the hell do I recompile Apache2 since I installed it from a package?
[06:03] <Dj_AlTeK> now what do i do?
[06:03] <e-head> boys ... my blogs alive !!!
[06:03] <dabaR_> wow
[06:03] <e-head> it's alive !!! she breathes laddies !!!
[06:03] <dabaR_> where? pls tell us so we can read it...
[06:04] <e-head> she's got legs sailor !!!
[06:04] <dabaR_> woohooo...
[06:04] <psirix> sweet it works :)
[06:04] <Dj_AlTeK> oofnik: i downloaded winesetuptk now what do i do?
[06:04] <e-head> sorry, I'm drunk again.
[06:04] <psirix> sorry for bugging the s*** out of you guys =/
[06:04] <e-head> what's with me getting drunk and crashing this party ?
[06:04] <oofnik> Dj_AlTeK did it install?
[06:04] <tiglionabbit> hey, I've still got this same problem, nobody's been able to answer it for me yet.  In firefox, some text doesn't show up.  I can't see the words in any of the dashed-border areas on the ubuntu wiki
[06:04] <dabaR_> thats fine, we know where you live...
[06:04] <e-head> dabaR_: http://dotsandloops.net
[06:04] <oofnik> if it worked correctly then just type in winesetuptk in a shell
[06:05] <e-head> ohh shit ... i'm in the wrong channel ....
[06:05] <dabaR_> really??
[06:05] <dabaR_> I wouldve never guessed
[06:05] <e-head> no wonder i didn't recognize you kiddies ... i thought i was in #wordpress.
[06:05] <e-head> :)
[06:05] <e-head> you can still read my blog though, if your bored.
[06:06] <dabaR_> oh, even though you were in the werong channel the UIRL still works?
[06:06] <ale_> Hi, channel, I'm having a bit of trouble with grub... actully grub is acting a bit wierd today :)
[06:06] <dabaR_> thats easy to fix, hit the any key...
[06:06] <dabaR_> hehe, sorry, thats it...
[06:07] <Zuiden> oo the torrent picked up some speed
[06:07] <yzero> Hello
[06:07] <yzero> I have a problem installing Ubuntu 5.04 on my qosmio f10 laptop..
[06:07] <yzero> When it reboots it said Grub HD error
[06:07] <oofnik> is there any way to make synaptic stop asking me for a password every single time i open it?
[06:07] <Dj_AlTeK> oofnik: how do i install it?
[06:07] <yzero> So i had to fdisk /mbr and reset the active partition =[
[06:07] <Dj_AlTeK> what command do i use?
[06:08] <dabaR_> yes, open it every 15 seconds
[06:08] <tiglionabbit> oofnik: it's good the way it is.  You can modify the command though
[06:08] <oofnik> well Dj if you used apt-get install winesetuptk, it was installed automatically
[06:08] <KillerSmurf> hello all
[06:08] <FlannelKing> Alright, I have mysql extension installed twice in PHP (in apache), where would I find the configs to fix that?
[06:08] <ale_> I've got a sata and and ata drive and I've installed grub in the mbr of the sata drive, that is setup(hd1)...  and my root partion is in /dev/sda2 root(hd1,1)... wierd thing is it won't boot unless I set root(hd0,1). I've used grub-install and everything :)
[06:08] <oofnik> tig it's just aggrevating, how can i modify the command?
[06:09] <yzero> I wish i could get ubuntu installed period.
[06:09] <tiglionabbit> oofnik: actually no, you can't...    get used to using your password, it's a lot more secure this way.  If someone sits down at your computer, do you want them installing stuff?
[06:09] <KillerSmurf> I finally have my wacom pad up and going well.  I'm not sure how or what I did but it's going now
[06:09] <tiglionabbit> KillerSmurf: yay
[06:09] <ale_> yzero, is there an error number?
[06:09] <oofnik> haha, i know tig, but i really am the only one who uses my computer, people get scared of the linux :-P
[06:09] <yzero> ale_ No. "Grub HD error"
[06:09] <dabaR_> I cant believe I got all three installed, and they all boot nice from GRUB...
[06:09] <yzero> =[
[06:10] <oofnik> yzero, what kind of system are you installing on?
[06:10] <tiglionabbit> KillerSmurf: finished setting up xorg, and got pressure sensitivity in gimp?
[06:10] <dabaR_> sudo remembers your passsword for 15 sex
[06:10] <dabaR_> haha
[06:10] <IcemanV9> FlannelKing: i'm no expert at this, but i believe you need to edit apache2.conf file
[06:10] <yzero> oofnik, Toshiba qosmio F10 laptop
[06:10] <DannoHung> Does anyone know how to recompile Apache2 if you installed it using apt-get?  I'm about pulling my hair out trying to figure out how to enable the different modules.
[06:10] <tiglionabbit> DannoHung: you cannot compile a deb.  Get the source
[06:11] <dabaR_> go into synaptic and reinstall it
[06:11] <oofnik> yzero thats a damn nice laptop.. haha i wish you luck
[06:11] <DannoHung> Just recompile it over the package?
[06:11] <Zuiden> anyone here smoke a pipe?
[06:11] <yzero> oofnik, Everything is damn nice except the ubuntu install hehe
[06:11] <yzero> but thx
[06:11] <dabaR_> or man dpkg find how to dpkg --reconfigure apache2
[06:12] <yzero> I guess I'll have to install.. alt-f2 and check the grub config
[06:12] <tiglionabbit> it's dpkg-reconfigure
[06:12] <yzero> hope I get it right the first time
[06:12] <oofnik> hah, yeah, well it could be worse.. *cough* gentoo
[06:12] <dabaR_> ok, then that should work, I think...
[06:12] <bddebian> DannoHung: Aren't the modules available as packages?
[06:12] <yzero> I don't want it compiling for 24 hours lol.. i need it
[06:12] <Dj_AlTeK> hey how do i kill wine??
[06:13] <TokenBad> hondje, you seen any of my art stuff?
[06:13] <dabaR_> killall wine
[06:13] <Dj_AlTeK> thanx dabar
[06:13] <DannoHung> Well, some of them.
[06:13] <yzero> I'd like to tell bob2 about it so maybe they can fix it in hoary
[06:13] <tiglionabbit> TokenBad: art stuff?
[06:13] <FlannelKing> IcemanV9 no, its php.ini in /etc/php4/apache2, apparently the extension is included twice for some reason.  Thanks though.
[06:14] <TokenBad> yeah mostly backgrounds
[06:14] <oofnik> hey is there anyway to make gnome use file browser as default when i open folders and things?
[06:14] <zyth> ick toshiba
[06:14] <zyth> :P
[06:14] <DannoHung> I'm following the "Howto setup Apache with FastCGI and Ruby bindings in Rails" guide and I don't think cgimak is anything standard.
[06:14] <dabaR_> the dabar strikes again
[06:14] <oofnik> as opposed to the plain nautilus folder view thing
[06:14] <KillerSmurf> tiglionabbit Thanks again for focusing me on chptr 4
[06:14] <dabaR_> oofnik yes, in the gui menus, like edit>props always open in a browser window
[06:14] <IcemanV9> FlannelKing: at least, you knew where :)
[06:15] <TokenBad> tiglionabbit, I post on deviantart
[06:15] <FlannelKing> IcemanV9 only because I did a bit of searching
[06:15] <tiglionabbit> KillerSmurf: you're welcom.  did you say you'd got the gimp working with it?
[06:15] <tiglionabbit> s/welcom/welcome
[06:15] <oofnik> thank you dabaR_ i don't know how i missed that.. hah
[06:15] <dabaR_> the dabar strikes again...
[06:16] <oofnik> +1 for you haha
[06:16] <KillerSmurf> tiglionabbit yes and wacomcpl is installed and works for adjusting the sensitivity
[06:17] <oofnik> so yeah.. anybody have experience with enabling sound in hoary? i've spent 6hrs+ now and could use a little help if anyone's out there
[06:17] <dabaR_> I just realized that it should really be hoarty and breezty...
[06:17] <dabaR_> like warty.
[06:17] <KillerSmurf> does anyone know if there is and EasyGPS equiv for *nix?
[06:17] <yzero> someone say my nick.. wanna check highlighting
[06:17] <yzero> pls
[06:17] <dabaR_> yzero
[06:17] <bddebian> yzero:
[06:17] <yzero> thx =] 
[06:17] <dabaR_> the dabar strikes again...
[06:18] <yzero> Anyone know a good place to get 1280x800 wallpapers?
[06:18] <tiglionabbit> oofnik: generally sound works by default.  It depends what program you're trying to get sound from.  There's a blurb in restricted about it
[06:18] <tiglionabbit> !restricted
[06:18] <ubotu> rumour has it, restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[06:18] <_root_> Hi all :)
[06:18] <ale_> yzero: www.debiantart.com
[06:18] <yzero> deviant art doesn't have much
[06:18] <yzero> for that size
[06:18] <yzero> and they have a few good 1900x1200 which work
[06:18] <sproingie> tried google image search?
[06:19] <dabaR_> gnome-look.org art.gnome.org
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> lol, debiantart
[06:19] <yzero> ok
[06:19] <tiglionabbit> because you know it's all about debian
[06:19] <ale_> lol
[06:19] <yzero> www.wallpapersmania.com looks ok.
[06:20] <oofnik> hmm.. i'm trying that tig, thanks
[06:20] <tito_> Does anyone know if it's possible to download a large update on another PC - burn it to a cd, then bring it home and update via cd?
[06:20] <dabaR_> We'll see, if it is all about Debian, Ubuntu has a nice default desktop conf...for me...
[06:20] <tito_> I've got a slow net connection
[06:20] <dabaR_> tito, is the another pc ubuntu?
[06:20] <tiglionabbit> dabaR_: Ubuntu comes from Debian
[06:20] <tito_> no, windows  :(
[06:20] <dabaR_> really?
[06:20] <yzero> i may just try debian next.
[06:21] <tiglionabbit> dabaR_: well it's based on Debian
[06:21] <dabaR_> ok, well, I would do this...
[06:21] <oofnik> in case there's a specific problem here, this is what alsamixer says: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[06:21] <tiglionabbit> Debian uses much older packages though, and is very thoroughly tested.  It works well for webservers
[06:21] <yzero> or I could do freebsd but their laptop hardware support blows ass.
[06:22] <dabaR_> tito_ sudo apt-get install -d whatever you are trying to get(not sure how to do it with dist-upgrade, maybe also -d) and then copy down the package names, download them from the web on the other comp, then get them to your comp(they are .deb) then after that dpkg -i package.deb
[06:22] <johnnybezak> whats a good cli music jukebox guys?
[06:22] <yzero> So who do I inform of my laptop install problem so they can fix it in hoary?
[06:22] <dabaR_> tiglionabbit really, is that how it works?
[06:22] <tito_> ah, great, thanks dabaR_  !!!
[06:22] <tito_> I'll try that
[06:23] <dabaR_> welcome, not sure if you are doing dist-upgrade, it prolly still lists the packages, and when it asks you y/N say N
[06:23] <johnnybezak> yzero: file a bug report
[06:23] <dabaR_> yzero in breezy.
[06:23] <tiglionabbit> dabaR_: Ubuntu was created to be a much more up to date version of debian, with desktop software that is easier for casual users to use, thus 'linux for human beings'
[06:23] <tito_> great, okay
[06:23] <yzero> oops ya i mean breezy :P
[06:23] <dabaR_> tiglionabbit nice...
[06:24] <yzero> blah i'll just use xp til breezy is official
[06:24] <dabaR_> so list the packages, write them down, get them from packages.ubuntu.com/org? and then get them back to this comp, and dpkg -i package.deb
[06:24] <bddebian> Blasphemy
[06:24] <ale_> What is the difference between apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade?
[06:24] <dabaR_> update updates repos.
[06:24] <ale_> yup...
[06:24] <dabaR_> gets the package list from the repos enabled in sources.list
[06:25] <tito_> dabaR_ - how do I know which repo to go to on the web - there's like 5+ in my config file?
[06:25] <dabaR_> dist-upgrade upgraddes all packages available to upgrade.
[06:25] <tito_> sources.list, sorry
[06:25] <tiglionabbit> ale_: upgrade upgrades packages but doesn't install new ones, dist-upgrade grabs new dependencies if newer versions require different things
[06:25] <bddebian> ale_: update gets the list of packages.  upgrade, upgrades installed packages, dist-upgrade will upgrade all packages to the level set in sources.list
[06:25] <oofnik> whats the command to restart my sound server?
[06:25] <tiglionabbit> apt-get upgrade will sometimes say "X packages were held back" because they required things you do not have installed
[06:25] <ale_> thanx guys.
[06:25] <SQFreak> oofnik: sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
[06:25] <bphan> I've been having problems setting XP as my main bootloader menu. I tried dd /dev/hda3 fo ...  and all that to create an image but then it doesn't work
[06:25] <tiglionabbit> dist-upgrade gets those packages
[06:25] <oofnik> thanks SQFreak
[06:26] <bphan> anybody know what might be the problme?
[06:26] <oofnik> woaahh crap
[06:26] <oofnik> i got a million beepy noises and "invalid card number" ??
[06:26] <dabaR_> tito, just go to http://packages.ubuntu.org/com? and search, thats what you can do...find the exact packages that dist-upgrade lists.
[06:26] <SQFreak> oofnik: It makes my computer do the Ubuntu "thunk" three times.
[06:26] <SQFreak> oofnik: Sounds like something's messed up. (Yes, yes, thank you Captain Obvious.)
[06:27] <oofnik> haha.. yeah something.. if not everything sound related
[06:27] <oofnik> anybody want to tackle sound problems?
[06:27] <tito_> dabaR_, okay I'll search around on ubuntu.org for a bit - at least it's possible!
[06:28] <dabaR__> you mean making GRUB boot into windows by default in menu.lst?
[06:29] <oofnik> aww i dont want to have to ditch ubuntu
[06:29] <oofnik> i really like it
[06:29] <dabaR__> why are you ditching it now?
[06:29] <SQFreak> Yeah, I just got my ShipIt CDs in the mail today! (I downloaded and burned the ISO, but having pressed CDs is so much cooler. :)
[06:29] <yzero> oofnick Have you gone through the ubuntuguide.org sound problem setup?
[06:30] <oofnik> yep, didn't help
[06:30] <dabaR__> what sound card do you have?
[06:30] <oofnik> audigy 2 value
[06:30] <yzero> offnick, is it detected on boot?
[06:30] <yzero> oof
[06:30] <dabaR__> ok, disabled on b oard in BIOS?
[06:30] <oofnik> i'm pretty sure it is, but it does what it just did now, when alsa starts i get several beeps and 'invalid card number' several times
[06:31] <oofnik> and /dev/dsp doesn't exist, if that has anything to do with it
[06:31] <dabaR__> go verify...then also, crimsun knows how to fix sound...does any prog play sound?
[06:31] <oofnik> no, nothing
[06:31] <oofnik> alsamixer won't even run either
[06:31] <oofnik> crimsun seems to be out
[06:32] <dabaR__> atm...
[06:33] <trueprophet> hey guys, anyone know a good avi to mpeg converter for ubuntu?
[06:33] <Mejobloggs> hey, how can i set it so that if i install new things using 'Add/Remove' it installs from CD, not internet ?
[06:34] <dabaR__> which CD?
[06:34] <dabaR__> you need to add it to sources.list...
[06:34] <dabaR__> and comment out internet.
[06:34] <dabaR__> there should be an example from the ubuntu install CD in the file.
[06:34] <imaek> 21:34:18 up 5 days,  8:25,  3 users,  load average: 2.12, 2.09, 1.85
[06:35] <dabaR__> wow, he can keep it up long...
[06:35] <dabaR__> 5 days...o_O
[06:35] <oofnik> haha..
[06:35] <dabaR__> dont encourage him...
[06:36] <oofnik> hmm where could crimsun be..
[06:36] <dabaR__> dabar means beaver in my lang.(Croatian)
[06:36] <dabaR__> #ubuntu-motu
[06:36] <dabaR__> hehe
[06:37] <dabaR__> no hiding from the dabar.
[06:37] <dabaR__> only 54 minutes for the Hoary upgrade...
[06:37] <dabaR__> left.
[06:37] <knucks> can someone help me step by step on how to setup an ftp server on my pc?
[06:38] <dabaR__> sudo aptitude install proftpd in one step
[06:38] <dabaR__> for sftp sudo aptitude install vsftpd
[06:38] <psirix> does ubuntu create a root account by default?
[06:38] <psirix> i dont remember creating a password or anything during install...
[06:38] <ninwa> sudo passwd root
[06:38] <ninwa> type that to set the root password
[06:38] <knucks> huh?
[06:38] <dabaR__> remember to turn off port 21 blocking on your router or firewall
[06:38] <ninwa> common question
[06:38] <ninwa>  :o)
[06:38] <psirix> oh ok thx
[06:38] <psirix> sry :(
[06:39] <psirix> me = n00b
[06:39] <ninwa> npn
[06:39] <ninwa> np
[06:39] <dabaR__> psirix no it doesnt
[06:39] <flatface> Hey, have a stupid question about the Matrox mga-vid drivers; I followed all of the instructions, built it fine, but it compiles a module for kernel 2.6.10, whereas the only kernel on the machine is 2.6.10-5-386... Is there a way to control which kernel it compiles for with make-kpkg modules_image? (the resulting filename is mga-vid-2.6.10_1.55-0.1+10.00.Custom_i386.deb)
[06:39] <Octane> im trying to remove the password from sudo... and i use the sample from ubuntuguide.org but it still prompts for a passssword
[06:39] <dabaR__> knucks type in sudo aptitude install proftpd in a terminal to install a ftp server in one step\
[06:39] <dabaR__> ftp does not encrypt passwords, so sftp is a better choice in some cases...
[06:39] <dabaR__> Octane no way to do that.
[06:40] <Octane> dabaR__, i cant have sudo use a password, because i need to run certain apps from a script with sudo
[06:40] <knucks> dabaR_ it asks what to run proftpd from...inetd or standalon?
[06:40] <Octane> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#allowmoresudoers
[06:40] <r258NzKiwi> can't u use sudo passwd <username>
[06:40] <Octane> look you can do it without a password
[06:40] <dabaR__> knucks it also explains what is what.
[06:40] <psirix> yeah sudo passwd <username> works
[06:40] <psirix> i just did it
[06:41] <knucks> ah ok
[06:41] <flatface> ...Anyone?
[06:41] <knucks> how do i unblock port 21?
[06:41] <Octane> i just want to ubuntu to prompt for a pw when i do sudo
[06:41] <knucks> ah nvm
[06:41] <knucks> i know how
[06:41] <dabaR__> can you <password into the command?
[06:41] <dabaR__> knucks have a router?
[06:41] <knucks> yeah
[06:41] <knucks> ok opened port 21
[06:41] <knucks> now what
[06:42] <zyth> fwd port 21 to your linux system
[06:42] <dabaR__> now setup port forwarding to the computer through the router, for port 21
[06:42] <dabaR__> set up a static IP onn the comptuer...
[06:42] <SQFreak> I'm running Ubuntu 5.04 (with kdelibs installed). Would it kill my installation to use the KDE Kubuntu KOffice 1.4 repo and download KOffice 1.4?
[06:42] <knucks> ok..
[06:42] <knucks> now what
[06:43] <dabaR__> set up a static IP already?
[06:43] <knucks> i have one, yes
[06:43] <Octane> so there is no way to make ubuntu not request a password when I do sudo as a certain user?
[06:43] <zyth> on Comcast?
[06:43] <zyth> weird.
[06:43] <dabaR__> ok, well, also port 21 forwarding to that IP set up on the router?
[06:43] <zyth> didn't know we did static for non business
[06:43] <dabaR__> not on Comcast, after the router...
[06:43] <dabaR__> zyth
[06:44] <dabaR__> what do you do?
[06:44] <knucks> zyth mine's basically static..i never turn my router off and the IP stays static
[06:44] <zyth> I do tech support for Comcast.
[06:44] <dabaR__> where, which city, bitch:)
[06:44] <zyth> knucks, ahh.
[06:44] <dabaR__> I do too...
[06:44] <knucks> yeh no literal static ip
[06:44] <knucks> hah
[06:44] <zyth> dabaR__, in Winnipeg, Canada
[06:44] <capi> anyone know how I can monitor/restrict my bandwidth with a program, or per user. Sort of like how webservers do?
[06:44] <knucks> ok now what dabaR_?
[06:44] <ale_> Octane, did you try adding the line "<username> ALL=(ALL) ALL" to /etc/sudoers?
[06:44] <dabaR__> haha
[06:44] <dabaR__> me too:)
[06:44] <dabaR__> nice, whats your name?
[06:44] <zyth> lol
[06:44] <dabaR__> yeah...
[06:44] <unome> Comcast can suck my balls with their ports blocking bs
[06:44] <Octane> ale_, yes
[06:45] <dabaR__> there are no ports blocked...
[06:45] <Octane> oh shit
[06:45] <robitaille> ale_:  that line will still ask you for your password for sudo
[06:45] <knucks> so how do i run the server?
[06:45] <Octane> no, ale_ thats where i messed up
[06:45] <dabaR__> it is running
[06:45] <dabaR__> go ftp username@localhost
[06:45] <flatface> Does anyone here have experience with mga-vid?
[06:45] <dabaR__> zyth whats your name?? I work in ecare...
[06:45] <ale_> well, it doesn't...
[06:45] <Octane> actually yes that line asks you for a pw
[06:45] <ale_> it's working here...
[06:45] <r258NzKiwi> is any 1 here from NZ
[06:45] <knucks> knucks@linux:~$ ftp knucks@localhost
[06:45] <knucks> ftp: knucks@localhost: Unknown host
[06:46] <knucks> ftp>
[06:46] <ale_> i wrote it once, and then...
[06:46] <ale_> it didn't ask for pwd anymore.
[06:46] <tito_> If apt-get upgrade says I need: openoffice.org version 1.1.3-8ubuntu2.3 and I go to the web to pull  openoffice.org_1.1.3-8ubuntu2.3_all.deb --- is that the same thing?
[06:46] <dabaR__> do ftp knucks@staticIP
[06:46] <Octane> ale_ isright
[06:46] <Octane> it works
[06:46] <Octane> thanks so much ale_
[06:46] <Mejobloggs> im from NZ
[06:47] <dabaR__> zyth, what? why are you not telling me?
[06:47] <ale_> Octane, you should be carefull with that...
[06:47] <zyth> dabaR__, check yours msgs :P
[06:47] <ale_> you have root power now :)
[06:47] <surly> tito yes
[06:47] <djs> tito_, yep, that's the one
[06:47] <dabaR__> dunno how in bitchx
[06:47] <zyth> oh lol
[06:47] <tito_> sweet, thanks!
[06:47] <zyth> shoulda come up on main console
[06:47] <djs> tito_, everything up to the _ should match
[06:47] <knucks> knucks@linux:~$ ftp knucks@68.60.67.139
[06:47] <knucks> ftp: knucks@68.60.67.139: Unknown host
[06:47] <knucks> ftp>
[06:47] <dabaR__> are you online?
[06:47] <dabaR__> hehe
[06:47] <tito_> okay, thanks djs
[06:48] <djs> tito_, np
[06:48] <knucks> yeah..
[06:48] <zyth> I'm not in wpg right now, I'm on extended leave of absence due to some family stuff
[06:48] <knucks> maybe i didnt set something up right?
[06:48] <zyth> won't be back for like another month
[06:48] <dabaR__> oh, ok...
[06:48] <knucks> can we private talk?
[06:48] <dabaR__> dunno how in bitchx, knucks.
[06:48] <zyth> dabaR__, apt-get install xchat ;)
[06:49] <dabaR__> hehe, Mac.
[06:49] <zyth> or are you connected via telnet/ssh?
[06:49] <Octane> brb
[06:49] <zyth> ohh
[06:49] <r258NzKiwi> mejobloggs r u from leeston or southbridge or dunsandel or christchurch
[06:49] <zyth> there has gotta be some graphical irc client for mac
[06:49] <surly> looking for good resouce for removing packages in ubuntu...thnx
[06:49] <tito_> djs, just to confirm, I basically am only looking for the deb packages - not the diff.gz, .dsc, or tar.gz right?  (and then the highest version number of that deb package)?
[06:49] <dabaR__> brb
[06:50] <djs> tito_, yes, just the .deb files
[06:50] <tito_> k
[06:50] <Mejobloggs> how do you install the .deb files?
[06:50] <iratsu> what's responsible for my ipod mounting automatically when i plug it in?
[06:51] <SQFreak> surly: you just want to remove packages? Synaptic is easy and great for that.
[06:51] <tito_> dpkg -i package.deb
[06:51] <dabaR__> knucks whats your static IP, try ftping that one.
[06:51] <tito_> right?
[06:51] <SQFreak> Mejobloggs: sudo dpkg -i whatever.deb
[06:51] <djs> Mejobloggs, sudo dpkg -i <filename>.deb
[06:51] <surly> tito: type "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org_1.1.3-8ubuntu2.3"
[06:51] <Mejobloggs> heh, thanks
[06:51] <dabaR__> iratsu gnome-volume-manager
[06:51] <surly> tito or just "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org
[06:51] <tito_> surly, I'm trying to figure out to get these large packages over to my house - I'm on slow dialup
[06:51] <iratsu> dabaR__: where can i find the settings for that?
[06:52] <tito_> otherwise, I love apt-get
[06:52] <dabaR__> gnome-conf-editor
[06:52] <zyth> I wish openoffice 2 would hurry up and come out.
[06:52] <tito_> no kidding!
[06:52] <SQFreak> zyth: I'm about to start playing around with KOffice 1.4...
[06:52] <K_Dallas> zyth, you could still use the nightly builds
[06:52] <dabaR> I wish OOo2 would take it easy and come up with a good product:P
[06:52] <zyth> SQFreak, KDE is the devil.
[06:52] <kutucape> what is kscand? and what it does?
[06:52] <zyth> K_Dallas, true, yeah
[06:52] <surly> tito: all i can suggest is running in while you sleep. i know that sucks....but thats the breaks.
[06:52] <K_Dallas> and it is pretty good and stable
[06:53] <zyth> dabaR, we should all go back to WP5 for DOS!
[06:53] <SQFreak> zyth: I use GNOME, but I run some KDE apps.
[06:53] <nalioth> zyth: KDE? no windows is the devil
[06:53] <dabaR> I still use that...
[06:53] <tito_> yea, it sucks...
[06:53] <zyth> SQFreak, doesn't that look awful?
[06:53] <dabaR> its good for the job...
[06:53] <zyth> dabaR, WP5 was an awesome program
[06:53] <iratsu> why is it that my ipod automatically mounts to /media/IPOD when it's written in /etc/fstab what it should mount at /mnt/ipod?
[06:53] <SQFreak> zyth: Not really...I mean, the KDE apps look a little out of place, but the apps run great.
[06:54] <dabaR> iratsu umount it, remount it to /mnt/ipod
[06:54] <zyth> SQFreak, hm.  I had major issues with K3b in Warty, so I've avoided KDE apps since
[06:54] <iratsu> dabaR: i'm not asking how to do it, i just wanna know why it does that
[06:54] <SQFreak> zyth: Oh, I love K3B!
[06:54] <nalioth> zyth: k3b works wonderfully in hoary
[06:55] <SQFreak> zyth: And KOffice is so much faster than OOo... But it all depends on what I feel like using for the day.
[06:55] <zyth> nalioth, yeah? Can I make it LOOK nice too? ;)
[06:55] <nalioth> zyth: i know nothing about skinning kde
[06:55] <nalioth> zyth: i only want performance
[06:55] <dabaR> zyth wear a blindfold, hehe
[06:55] <zyth> nalioth, ahh k.  I'm just picky I guess.
[06:55] <zyth> LOL
[06:56] <zyth> randomly click stuff in k3b, see what comes out
[06:56] <dabaR> nono, assistiv3 technologies.
[06:56] <zyth> woot
[06:56] <dabaR> I should be an op here.
[06:56] <zyth> actually, the gnome keyboard works well for tabletpcs
[06:57] <dabaR> I never got that program to open, it isntalls, and I click it, and it defies me.
[06:57] <zyth> odd
[06:58] <dabaR> ya, whatever, I have fingers...
[06:58] <dabaR> luckily...
[06:58] <dabaR> I couldnt work ecare otherwise...
[06:58] <zyth> lol
[06:58] <zyth> dinnertime
[06:58] <zyth> I'm off.
[06:59] <dabaR> see ya
[06:59] <SQFreak> Krita could use some work in working with big images. The zoom is unwieldy...
[07:04] <dabaR> unome pages loading slow?
[07:04] <unome> dabaR: the entire connection slow
[07:04] <jessid> hi! could some of you tell me if installed ubuntu brings some p2p program?
[07:06] <dr_willis> jessid,  you can easially install several
[07:06] <dr_willis> the ubuntu wiki's have a p2p section
[07:06] <tito_> when a kernel is upgraded in ubuntu, what happens to the old one?
[07:06] <pastyhermit> how do I get ubuntu ppc to fire up at 1024x768 instead of 1600x1200
[07:06] <pastyhermit> this text console is all mini
[07:07] <tito_> do I need to delete the old kernel?
[07:07] <dr_willis> tito_,  ive never deleted any.
[07:07] <jessid> dr_willis thanks...i'll try to look for it!!! I've tried with aMule, but coul not ./configure
[07:08] <tito_> I always had to in fedora - so I'm used to having the old option - but i can't find it
[07:08] <ale_> pastyhermit, you could try editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:08] <pastyhermit> ale_: Im talking about console
[07:08] <pastyhermit> like no X dude
[07:09] <pastyhermit> also .. thats a good point
[07:09] <pastyhermit> how do I get xorg to recognize this G3 studio display it gives me 640 in X but thats it everything else is out of range, as well its all garbled
[07:10] <dr_willis> thers  a X mode web site that  may help you out.
[07:10] <ale_> aaah, the console... no vga=? option in the boot loader?
[07:12] <jessid> dr_willis I can't find any link to software un ubuntu's web site :(
[07:12] <ThE__OnE> can someone tell me how to do fullscreen in mplayer, rightclicking and full screen works but the actual video does'nt change size, how can i fix this?
[07:13] <iratsu> has anyone gotten an error like this: "Error writing PC file "/mnt/ipod/iPod_Control/Music/F11/gtkpod00601.mp3"." in gtkpod?
[07:13] <nalioth> ThE__OnE: does the 'f' key do anything?
[07:13] <ninwa> For me it types the letter f.
[07:13] <ninwa> Oh, nevermind. :oP
[07:14] <ThE__OnE> like i said, the window becomes full screen but the video stays the same size
[07:15] <ale_> Did you try other video drivers (-vo xv option?) you can also try (-vo help)
[07:15] <oofnik> can anybody get alsaconf to run on hoary?
[07:15] <ilba7r> i have both ubuntu and kubuntu and i want to change the default display manager from kdm to gdm how can i do that?
[07:16] <pastyhermit> ale_: thi
[07:16] <pastyhermit> ale_: the vga option didnt work
[07:16] <pastyhermit> this is some wierd mac thing
[07:16] <pastyhermit> also ....
[07:16] <pastyhermit> where is this site you speak of to help wme with the monitor settings for X
[07:16] <pastyhermit> ?
[07:17] <oofnik> hey dabar
[07:17] <dabaR> hey
[07:17] <dr_willis> ilba7r,  use dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[07:18] <oofnik> dabar.. weird question.. can you run alsaconf?
[07:18] <dabaR> me?
[07:18] <ilba7r> thanx dr_willis
[07:18] <oofnik> yeah haha
[07:18] <pastyhermit> ale_: ?
[07:18] <dabaR_>  alsaconf
[07:18] <dabaR_> bash: alsaconf: command not found
[07:19] <oofnik> yeah.. that's what happens with me.. you have alsa installed though dont you?
[07:19] <dabaR_> alsamixer works...
[07:19] <oofnik> yeah thats odd
[07:20] <dabaR_> yours doesnt, right..
[07:20] <oofnik> it gives an error
[07:20] <pastyhermit> Anyone know what the mintor settings are on a G3 studion display?
[07:20] <oofnik> :(
[07:20] <dabaR> hehe, Im nice.
[07:20] <oofnik> i kick you
[07:20] <dabaR>  /me kicks...
[07:20] <oofnik> i want to get my damned sound working argghh
[07:21] <dabaR> crimsun are you around, or perhaps asquare?
[07:21] <oofnik> crimsun hasn't said anything in the hour and a half ive been here
[07:22] <dabaR> he is a busy one.
[07:22] <dabaR> ok, Im gonna pretend Im a busy one, or at least a sleepy one, and go to bed.
[07:22] <dabaR> night all.
[07:23] <unome> night
[07:23] <oofnik> haha, later
[07:23] <tito_> night dabar, thanks for your help
[07:23] <dabaR_> hey, its nothing...
[07:23] <nalioth> any other dabars, your party is leaving
[07:24] <dr_willis> Hmm.. cant seem to get to a samba share with gnomes network browser tool. Its not asking for my user/password. perhaps its  got the wrong one cached.
[07:25] <TokenBad> what was command to see how much freespace on a drive again?
[07:25] <dr_willis> wheres gnome cache those anyway?
[07:25] <dr_willis> df -h, df -h
[07:25] <dr_willis> orr du -h :P
[07:25] <TokenBad> I am so bad with commands
[07:25] <vince_> hello all
[07:25] <nalioth> TokenBad: you can install "xdiskfree" for a pretty picture
[07:25] <rbrenart> I'm trying to configure kismet on my ubuntu system but am getting the following error "FATAL: Unknown capture source type 'ipw2100' in source 'ipw2100,eth1,wireless'", does ubuntu use the proper ipw2100 driver, or is it using ndiswrapper?
[07:25] <yzero> Anyone else have a problem after install and you reboot "Grub hd error"
[07:27] <nalioth> amonkey: i didnt realize you were my neighbor
[07:28] <amonkey> nalioth, where are you?
[07:28] <nalioth> pasadena
[07:28] <rbrenart> ok more simply put, with an intel ipw2100 card, does ubuntu use the ipw2100 drivers or the ndiswrapper drivers, or if youdon't know, do you know how I'd check?
[07:28] <amonkey> not to far away at all
[07:30] <amonkey> nalioth, i'm over by east 8 and 10
[07:32] <pastyhermit> Anyone know what the mintor settings are on a G3 studion display?
[07:33] <rbrenart> ok second questoin then, does anyone know how to add entries ot the Places menu?
[07:34] <john__> i made a backup of my hd before reinstalling is there a way i can use the packages from before so i dont have to redownload a ton of stuff
[07:34] <pastyhermit> Anyone know what the mintor settings are on a G3 studion display?
[07:35] <TokenBad> hmm..any ideas on this
[07:35] <TokenBad> guy ftp into me
[07:35] <nalioth> john__: you may put source pkgs in /var/apt/cache
[07:35] <TokenBad> and instead of it uploading it just sits there
[07:35] <TokenBad> and then times out..and then reconnects
[07:35] <john__> k i did that wasnt sure if i needed to do anything else :)
[07:36] <nalioth> john__: not sure either
[07:36] <john__> going to try now hope thats all that needs done
[07:36] <HermanDE> Anybody have good luck making jabber talk to ldap for auth?
[07:37] <yzero> Anyone else have a problem after install and you reboot "Grub hd error"
[07:37] <HermanDE> yzero, Are you running breezy?
[07:38] <yzero> HermanDE, No.. hoary
[07:39] <yzero> It's on a qosmio f10 toshiba laptop
[07:39] <john__> looks like that worked cool
[07:39] <HermanDE> yzero, In my world a borking grub usually means a new hard drive.....
[07:39] <cartel_> HermanDE: i gave up
[07:39] <yzero> umm the laptop is like 1 week old
[07:39] <yzero> works fine
[07:40] <cartel_> laptops can be sketchy
[07:40] <HermanDE> cartel_, I can't stand not being able to run a simple app.....
[07:40] <cartel_> report it to grub list
[07:40] <cartel_> HermanDE: jabberd is not simple
[07:40] <yzero> I want to get ubuntu running
[07:40] <HermanDE> yzero, Hmmm....  Did you get a proper install prior to the bork?
[07:40] <yzero> yea
[07:40] <yzero> the install works fine.. then when it boots its fucked
[07:40] <cartel_> HermanDE: try ejabberd
[07:40] <yzero> so i have to fdisk /mbr and reset the xp partition to active
[07:40] <nalioth> yzero: try lilo
[07:40] <HermanDE> yzero, Is the hard drive sata?
[07:41] <transgress> yzero: probably didn't actually get a good install then
[07:41] <yzero> transgress. I've tried it twice..
[07:41] <HermanDE> cartel_, I'm thinking along the same lines....
[07:41] <cartel_> HermanDE: i had no luck with the jabber.org servers
[07:41] <yzero> I know the cd is fine cuz i used it for 2 desktops
[07:41] <HermanDE> cartel_, Are the normal jabber modules available through ejabber?
[07:41] <yzero> nalioth, How can I install lilo without being able to boot?
[07:41] <transgress> yzero: could be the disc...
[07:41] <cartel_> HermanDE: no its a reimplementation
[07:41] <transgress> oh
[07:41] <nalioth> yzero: do you have a liveCd?
[07:41] <transgress> well
[07:41] <transgress> umm
[07:41] <transgress> god hates you then
[07:41] <yzero> nalioth: no =[
[07:42] <rommer> how can i check what version of php i have installed
[07:42] <nalioth> yzero: get one
[07:42] <yzero> as a test?
[07:42] <cartel_> HermanDE: and its written in erlang
[07:42] <yzero> fark i'm on satellite net @ work heh.
[07:42] <nalioth> yzero: to rescue your boot loader
[07:42] <HermanDE> cartel_, Yep, I've read the info....
[07:42] <yzero> Oh i see.
[07:42] <yzero> Ok I'll download it over the night
[07:43] <yzero> How do I access it? just mount /dev/hda5 or whatever?
[07:43] <HermanDE> yzero, Can you do a boot with the cd on this system?
[07:43] <yzero> HermanDE yes
[07:43] <nalioth> yzero: you'll need to chroot to your installed ubuntu and set up lilo
[07:43] <cartel_> HermanDE: i fought with jabberd and jabber2d for two weeks on auth to ldap
[07:43] <HermanDE> cartel_, Did you toss it in the can or did you use ejabb?
[07:44] <cartel_> HermanDE: i used ejabberd
[07:44] <HermanDE> cartel_, Is it a clean setup/config with ldap?
[07:44] <djs> rbrenart, still here?
[07:44] <yzero> Can i use my install cd to fix it somehow? or a tomsrtbt linux floppy maybe?
[07:44] <cartel_> its cleaner than jabberd :/
[07:45] <HermanDE> yzero, Usually....  The Ubuntu CD can also be used to fix a system...
[07:45] <yzero> actually yea thats a problem since i'm sitting on a rig off the coast of thailand and i have no blank cds.
[07:45] <yzero> HermanDE.. ok Can you tell me what to do? :P
[07:45] <HermanDE> cartel_, Thanks...  You just pushed jabber2d off of my server...  FOR GOOD.....
[07:45] <SpecialBuddy> so how do I start customizing this thing
[07:46] <john__> whats a good site to learn how to make gnome themes/icons/window boarders
[07:46] <TokenBad> how can I restart proftpd?
[07:46] <yzero> I can always just reinstall ubuntu and goto alt-f2 once grub is installed...
[07:46] <cartel_> HermanDE, remember ejabberd is experimental
[07:46] <HermanDE> yzero, Ok....  Step ONE:  Insert CD..  Step TWO:  Boot off of the CD....  Step THREE:  When it is booted switch to another console....
[07:46] <yzero> oh ok.
[07:47] <yzero> I'll see what I can do
[07:47] <yzero> thanks
[07:47] <crimsun> oofnik: yes?
[07:47] <HermanDE> cartel_, That is what has kept me away.....
[07:47] <HermanDE> TokenBad, /etc/init.d/proftpd restart
[07:47] <TokenBad> thanks
[07:47] <TokenBad> is there a way to see what the upload speed that it gets?
[07:48] <HermanDE> TokenBad, Are you trying to measure your bandwidth?
[07:48] <TokenBad> no just want to know what his speed to me is
[07:49] <HermanDE> TokenBad, use iptraf
[07:49] <vaa1> I've got a "failed to initialize HAL", how do I get explicit Logs of this error ?
[07:49] <Octane> im running kubuntu and i want to install a newer version of amarok... should i apt-get remove it and also remove the metapackage kubuntu-desktop
[07:49] <cartel_> herman did you try doing pam auth in jabberd2
[07:49] <Octane> will that ruine anything?
[07:49] <DukGalNamu> hello
[07:50] <vaa1> Octane : I'm a not sure, but this seems quite dangerous ! ;)
[07:50] <HermanDE> cartel_, My last attempt (which lasted 2 weeks) had me throwing everything I could.....  Including PAM, RADIUS, NSS, and LDAP.  All to get a simple LDAP auth...
[07:50] <DukGalNamu> hey anyone know how hard it would be to run a mac program (osx) in ubunut?
[07:51] <HermanDE> DukGalNamu, Pretty easy if it is a script....
[07:51] <cartel_> radius...
[07:51] <HermanDE> DukGalNamu, Pretty complex if it is a binary executable....
[07:51] <cartel_> you masochist
[07:51] <cartel_> :] 
[07:51] <nalioth> Octane: removing kubuntu-desktop won't cause any problem
[07:51] <DukGalNamu> HermanDE: and if is a program like ... say.... photoshop?
[07:51] <Octane> vaa1, its not dangerous, kubuntu-desktop is a metapackage, it just means im taking away amarok, which is a part of it
[07:52] <cartel_> DukGalNamu: install pearpc and dont expect it ro run fast
[07:52] <cartel_> to*
[07:52] <HermanDE> DukGalNamu, How much time do you have on your hands?
[07:52] <chris> 
[07:52] <HermanDE> DukGalNamu, And the follow up question...  Why not use something with a touch more painting power?
[07:52] <vaa1> Octane : okay, I've just learned something... thanks a lot ;)
[07:52] <DukGalNamu> ummm 3mins... :P
[07:52] <DukGalNamu> gimp?
[07:52] <HermanDE> DukGalNamu, Like the Great GIMP?
[07:52] <DukGalNamu> yeah
[07:52] <DukGalNamu> i know
[07:53] <HermanDE> DukGalNamu, Or Blender....
[07:53] <DukGalNamu> but photoshop is graphic arts standered
[07:53] <DukGalNamu> is blender free?
[07:53] <cartel_> yes
[07:53] <djs> Octane, is the newer amarok version a .deb package?
[07:53] <vince_> Hey guys right now I'm using Debian because I tried ubuntu and I was curious but I would have to say ubuntu is #1 :)
[07:53] <DukGalNamu> sorry for the lag
[07:53] <yzero> HermanDE, /dev doesn't have my hard drive device =[
[07:53] <DukGalNamu> i am downloading naruto
[07:53] <tiglionabbit> DukGalNamu: yes, blender and gimp are free
[07:53] <cartel_> photoshop is standard for those who dont know psp :)
[07:53] <HermanDE> DukGalNamu, I have never been in a graphics shop where they denied work because it was not done using an Adobe product....
[07:53] <Daehlie> DukGalNamu: legally no doubt
[07:54] <tiglionabbit> brb
[07:54] <DukGalNamu> no but most work with adobe, and know adobe
[07:54] <cartel_> adobe cs is a steaming pile...
[07:54] <TokenBad> I have used photoshop, bryce, terragen, apophysis, vista pro, maya, autocad, and um..
[07:54] <Skif> Is there a way to get mplayer installed on hoary?  I keep getting errors because marillat's repository tracks debian, so it won't install from there.  Is there an alternate source?
[07:54] <TokenBad> some others I forget
[07:54] <cartel_> DukGalNamu: you might like gimpshop
[07:54] <TokenBad> but blender never liked me
[07:54] <thechitowncubs> Skif: read the wiki
[07:54] <DukGalNamu> and most people that work in a graphics arts place are expected to KNOW adobe in and out
[07:54] <cartel_> DukGalNamu: that is gimp hacked up to work like adobe
[07:54] <thechitowncubs> http://www.ubuntulinux.org
[07:54] <DukGalNamu> gimpshop?
[07:54] <DukGalNamu> ohhh
[07:54] <DukGalNamu> free?
[07:54] <tiglionabbit> DukGalNamu: actually many places, like Pixar, request that you are able to use traditional media, and want you to NOT be attached to a proprietary graphics program
[07:55] <Skif> thechitowncubs: there's a lot of pages on that wiki; can you be more specific, please?
[07:55] <thechitowncubs> search mplayerinstall
[07:55] <transgress> what is the kde art program?  it looked pretty nice
[07:55] <thechitowncubs> and you're in business
[07:55] <DukGalNamu> didn't know that
[07:55] <HermanDE> TokenBad, Blender requires a crack pipe and a very large keyboard overlay...  The newest version actually puts point/click menues on the screen....
[07:55] <DukGalNamu> but i am talking about in printing. not animation
[07:55] <cartel_> you are actively promoting vendor lockin
[07:55] <DukGalNamu> i have another question
[07:56] <DukGalNamu> openoffice takes FOREVER to load up, is there anything lighter then that?
[07:56] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> DukGalNamu: abiword
[07:56] <cartel_> koffice
[07:56] <cartel_> koffice is significantly lighter
[07:56] <jessid> some of you know how can I enable and disable firewall in ubuntu linux?
[07:56] <HermanDE> DukGalNamu, koffice
[07:56] <yzero> DukGalNamu: crossover office with microsoft office
[07:56] <rommer> what file do i change to install php5?
[07:56] <DukGalNamu> thats not tied to kde or gnome
[07:56] <HermanDE> DukGalNamu, WordPerfect.  (Yes the linux version is still available)
[07:56] <rommer> what file do i change to install php5 from source
[07:57] <DukGalNamu> i use fluxbox
[07:57] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> jessid: http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/05/09/1846213&tid=78&tid=130
[07:57] <HermanDE> DukGalNamu, lyx
[07:57] <TokenBad> anyone know a way to see what accounts are being used in proftpd at a given time?
[07:57] <DukGalNamu> lyx?
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> No
[07:57] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> DukGalNamu: a text formatter
[07:57] <cartel_> yzero: crossover is not faster than OOo
[07:57] <HermanDE> yzero, Wow...  He is talking about making things faster...  :)
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> The best lighweight word processor is ABIWORD!
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> its great
[07:57] <cartel_> vi
[07:57] <thechitowncubs> sudo apt-get install abiword
[07:57] <cartel_> ;)
[07:57] <HermanDE> TokenBad, Check your log file....
[07:57] <Skif> thechitowncubs: ah, nice to know I don't need marillat anymore.  Thanks!
[07:57] <DukGalNamu> abiword.. what and how, and does it support and write to MW files?
[07:58] <cartel_> yes it doe
[07:58] <cartel_> s
[07:58] <thechitowncubs> Skif: ya, next time give a check on the wiki, it has EVERYTHINg
[07:58] <DukGalNamu> its free right?
[07:58] <cartel_> of course
[07:58] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> DukGalNamu: 99% of linux software is free
[07:58] <DukGalNamu> and light weight
[07:58] <DukGalNamu> cause openoffice takes like 12 sec to start up
[07:58] <budluva1> does ubuntu use apt?
[07:58] <Skif> thechitowncubs: Actually, I did; apparently I did not use the right combination to find that page, though.
[07:59] <DukGalNamu> yes
[07:59] <DukGalNamu> ubuntu uses apt
[07:59] <thechitowncubs> Skif: no prob, you an also check it by searching TEXT instead of title
[07:59] <thechitowncubs> i make that mistake all the time
[07:59] <cartel_> DukGalNamu: each session?
[07:59] <DukGalNamu> cartel_: what do you mean by session?
[07:59] <HermanDE> DukGalNamu, 12 seconds..  Geeze.  I have brand new DELL's that take 30 seconds to Launch Office 2003 Pro.. under Windows XP with 512 M Ram....
[07:59] <rommer> how do i change teh configuration when trying to isntall php5
[08:00] <cartel_> now someone has retooled gimpshop, someone should retool it again with hotbox :)
[08:00] <DukGalNamu> HermanDE: well, you did get a dell
[08:00] <DukGalNamu> and they only use intel...
[08:00] <cartel_> DukGalNamu: does it happen only the first time after a reboot that it is slow and subsequent starts are fast?
[08:00] <budluva1> what wm does ubuntu use for the live cd?
[08:00] <AvFnx> wha up
[08:00] <Amaranth> rommer: ?
[08:00] <cartel_> budluva1: gnome...
[08:00] <HermanDE> DukGalNamu, Nope...  Not for me.  I tell people what they need.  Then they get caught up in a Dell marketing spin..
[08:00] <Amaranth> rommer: Ubuntu doesn't have PHP5
[08:01] <DukGalNamu> cartel_: all starts are unfortunatly the same
[08:01] <HermanDE> Amaranth, Breezy.....
[08:01] <holycow> oo 2.0 beta takes 2 seconds to bring up a new window on windows tho, after the initial startup
[08:01] <holycow> kinda nifty
[08:01] <Amaranth> HermanDE: It's in breezy? *checks*
[08:01] <djs> DukGalNamu, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=9925 "HOWTO: Speed Up OpenOffice.org Startup"
[08:01] <DukGalNamu> HermanDE: dells are whores
[08:01] <holycow> i guess some kinda preload is necessary on linux as well
[08:01] <cartel_> DukGalNamu: try apt-get install prelink
[08:01] <jessid> how can I stop the firewall?
[08:01] <AvFnx> have any have problem w/ flash in fiirefox
[08:01] <Amaranth> HermanDE: Nope, not seeing php5 in breezy.
[08:01] <oofnik> i just recompiled/reinstalled alsa, can anyone help me with editing modules.conf
[08:01] <budluva1> cartel_, cool, i think im going to check it out, have been using debian for awhile, i think its time to check out the ubuntu buzz
[08:01] <HermanDE> DukGalNamu, Sure..  The other side is that dells usually need replacing after a few years....
[08:01] <crimsun> oofnik: don't touch modules.conf
[08:01] <Amaranth> OO.o 2 starts a lot faster
[08:02] <HermanDE> DukGalNamu, More money for me...
[08:02] <HermanDE> Amaranth, Just a guess.....
[08:02] <SpecialBuddy> where can I download new themes?
[08:02] <crimsun> oofnik: and why did you recompile/reinstall ALSA?
[08:02] <DukGalNamu> heh
[08:02] <DukGalNamu> i know
[08:02] <budluva1> cartel_, i've been told ubuntu is loosely based on debian, that true?
[08:02] <HermanDE> SpecialBuddy, themes.freshmeat.net
[08:02] <crimsun> budluva1: it's very strongly based on Debian, heh
[08:02] <holycow> budluva1, loosely?
[08:02] <holycow> it pretty much is debian, with some minor exceptions
[08:02] <holycow> debian unstable that is
[08:03] <HermanDE> budluva1, loose?  Debian....  Hmmmmm..  Must check the DFSG....
[08:03] <holycow> big difference from debian stable
[08:03] <oofnik> because i haven't gotten sound working after 10+ hrs of trying
[08:03] <DukGalNamu> it just sucks when people don't learn the lesson the first time
[08:03] <cartel_> budluva1: loosely? they share ~50% codebase. "debian is the rock on which ubuntu is built"
[08:03] <oofnik> people say you know how to do it with an audigy 2..?
[08:03] <budluva1> cartel_, ahh, so its debians little brother then? :P
[08:03] <SpecialBuddy> cool
[08:03] <budluva1> hey hey, just going off what ive been told
[08:03] <budluva1> i know nothing about ubuntu
[08:03] <vince_> holycow, I'm using debian right now but I would have to say ubuntu is my fav
[08:03] <crimsun> oofnik: sure. Then again, you didn't have to recompile or reinstall ALSA at all.
[08:03] <Amaranth> budluva1: Debian is the king and Ubuntu is the prince, heir to the throne ;)
[08:03] <holycow> vince_, yeah for the desktop
[08:03] <Amaranth> budluva1: Saw that on a blog or something
[08:03] <cartel_> ubuntu doesnt have debian's quality yet
[08:03] <crimsun> oofnik: paste the output from amixer onto the pastebin noted in this irc channel's topic
[08:03] <holycow> i wouldn't trade in debian on a server for anything
[08:04] <vince_> holycow, yea i'm a desktop person too
[08:04] <oofnik> hah.. well i think it's too late now.. alright
[08:04] <cartel_> and a big plus debian has is the bts
[08:04] <budluva1> vince_, ya? i havent found much that makes me want to go away from debian, you say you favor ubuntu over debian?
[08:04] <holycow> eventually debian should be a decent desktop too, now that the ubuntu fixes and help are rolled in tho
[08:04] <holycow> brb
[08:04] <HermanDE> I have servers running Debian and Ubuntu.  Yes I smoked the secret recepie to install Ubuntu as a server in the first release....
[08:04] <oofnik> crimsun it just says no such device
[08:04] <cartel_> no, most ubuntu stuff is halfassed by comparison
[08:04] <crimsun> oofnik: ugh, you messed up something
[08:04] <AvFnx> ubuntu is the best linux distro that i have tried.............it works
[08:04] <cartel_> debian will do their own thing and take ubuntu that they can
[08:05] <oofnik> but it hasn't worked at all before to begin with anyway
[08:05] <rommer> im trying to install php5 from source but when i do ./configure ... this error comes up You will need flex 2.5.4 if you want to regenerate Zend/PHP lexical parsers.
[08:05] <cartel_> ubuntu is an attempt by a few developers to take sid and make it stable
[08:05] <vince_> budluva1, well ubuntu is a easy install and configures stuff for you. It's better for newbies because they could spend like 20 hours or more tying to configure debian to work
[08:05] <HermanDE> rommer, Have you tried looking for php5 at www.apt-get.org?
[08:05] <crimsun> oofnik: be precise: do you mean you couldn't hear anything, or do you mean whenever you tried to play music files the application(s) crashed?
[08:05] <DukGalNamu> gotta go guys, talk to ya later
[08:05] <crimsun> oofnik: note the stark contrast between the two
[08:05] <AvFnx> can any help me w/ my flash problem
[08:06] <Amaranth> AvFnx: What flash problem?
[08:06] <jbroome> keep your fly closed.  that helped my flash problem
[08:06] <oofnik> neither.. they just can't find the device.. so for example xmms won't play at all
[08:06] <budluva1> vince_, yar, my first debian install were kind of hairy, but not too many problems, so ubuntu is based off of debian and is more newbie-ish / desktop-user orientated?
[08:06] <rommer> HermanDE: no
[08:06] <HermanDE> AvFnx, Uh... What flash problem?
[08:06] <AvFnx> when i go mlb.com i cant c the score
[08:06] <crimsun> jbroome: what, tuxcake flashing you again? ;)
[08:06] <TokenBad> ok my new render is done..now to think of a title for it
[08:06] <jbroome> crimsun: i showed tuxcake who was boss
[08:06] <HermanDE> AvFnx, Which web browser are you using?
[08:07] <AvFnx> Firefox
[08:07] <yzero> crimsun, You work for ubuntu right?
[08:07] <crimsun> yzero: no, I'm a MOTU
[08:07] <vince_> budluva1, yep it's great for desktop users! It owns! But i'm sure debian owns in othe areas like server mode
[08:07] <HermanDE> AvFnx, Did you follow the prompts to install flash?
[08:07] <yzero> What is that?
[08:07] <crimsun> yzero: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[08:07] <cartel_> master of the universe
[08:07] <AvFnx> i have tried installing from apt-get and by firefox
[08:07] <upgrdman> i have a weird problem with ubuntu and WAP-enabled wifi... after entering my password in the settings dialogue, and click ok, it takes me back to the network window as normal, but if i click cancel i can use my wifi, if i click ok it breaks it. rebooting always resets it to the broken state... wtf
[08:08] <oofnik> crimsun i would be so grateful if you could help me with my sound.. thank you thank you
[08:08] <HermanDE> vince_, Ub is pretty good on the server side...  It gets a bit hairy when trying to connect things...  But much better than RH9
[08:08] <yzero> ah
[08:08] <vince_> HermanDE, I heard horror stories about RH9 hehe
[08:08] <crimsun> oofnik: how much work have you invested in your new ubuntu install?
[08:08] <yzero> crimsun so you wouldn't have any idea on "grub hd error" on a reboot after install?
[08:09] <crimsun> oofnik: it seriously may be easier to simply reinstall (clean, not upgrade) Hoary if you recently installed it and have not customized much.
[08:09] <HermanDE> vince_, I have attempted to run a good chunk of the major distros as a server..
[08:09] <yzero> oofnick theres an audigy 2 thread on the forums that is stickied.
[08:09] <oofnik> well.. everything else is up and running properly.. i'd really hate to do a reinstall but i guess if i absolutely had to i would
[08:09] <oofnik> i know, i read through it three times and i still can't get anything
[08:09] <yzero> o.
[08:09] <HermanDE> vince_, The only one that keeps honest and solid has been Debian.  And that is after 8 years of setting up Linuxen servers.....
[08:09] <Razor-X> anyone here use a Das keyboard?
[08:09] <crimsun> yzero: I'm not a GRUB guru, but what error is it?
[08:09] <oofnik> alright.. so say i do that.. is it a lot of work to start from scratch to get audigy 2 working?
[08:10] <yzero> crimsun, "Grub HD error" or "Grub HD install error"
[08:10] <crimsun> oofnik: no. At most, you'll need to compile alsa-source from Hoary's universe.
[08:10] <yzero> crimsun, i had to fdisk /mbr to get back into windows
[08:10] <yzero> crimsun, Qosmio f10 toshiba laptop.
[08:10] <sciboy> Hi, debian user here, unfortunately i installed some X related ubuntu packages and i was wondering whether you could tell me what the 'run_parts' command is and where i could obtain it?
[08:10] <crimsun> oofnik: if you can reinstall Hoary quickly, I can walk you through the process.
[08:10] <Corical> lolo
[08:10] <albacker> yzero you could youse cfdisk without formatin anything and you could go back to windows.
[08:11] <albacker> yzero, you could set the windows part. to boot
[08:11] <yzero> i didn't format..
[08:11] <AvFnx> HermanDE, i have tried installing flash from apt-get and from firefox
[08:11] <vince_> HermanDE, cool i'll keep that in mind when I decide to set up my server. But for now i'm just on desktop and ubuntu is my fav. I've tried the top distros like mandrake, suse , slackware ( not bad to be honest ) . But ubuntu takes the cake
[08:11] <albacker> yzero, ah ok..
[08:11] <oofnik> well it will take me more than an hour, so i don't think that would work tonight..
[08:11] <yzero> its still on my HD now.. just no grub
[08:11] <yzero> Maybe I can make a debian boot floppy to get in
[08:11] <oofnik> what would be your first move on a clean install, just out of curiousity?
[08:11] <HermanDE> AvFnx, It could be that MLB is using some strange extension....I'm going to go there  Hold one...
[08:11] <albacker> yzero so you cant boot in linux and in windows ?
[08:11] <crimsun> oofnik: ok, then we'll try salvaging what you did. The first thing to do is: cat /proc/asound/version
[08:12] <yzero> Grub won't setup properly
[08:12] <yzero> when i install ubuntu
[08:12] <HermanDE> AvFnx, Are you using a macintosh?
[08:12] <oofnik> it says 1.0.6
[08:12] <albacker> yzero i would suggest to get a livecd.. and enter and modify..
[08:12] <yzero> I'm off the coast of thailand on a rig
[08:12] <yzero> I don't have any cds =[
[08:12] <Firsti> Hello
[08:13] <AvFnx> HermanDE, no ubuntu
[08:13] <yzero> and i'm not leaving for awhile heh
[08:13] <HermanDE> yzero, Try damn small linux..  It is 50Mb.  And better yet...   It is DEBIAN......
[08:13] <cartel_> its sorta debian
[08:13] <HermanDE> AvFnx, I'm talking about the maker of your computer....Not the OS...
[08:13] <Firsti> Where I can see all users who are in allow group: sshusers
[08:13] <oofnik> crimsun what should i do next?
[08:13] <AvFnx> HermanDE, it a compaq
[08:14] <yzero> I'm gonna try and get the next rig crew out to get me some blank cds
[08:14] <HermanDE> Firsti, /etc/groups
[08:14] <Firsti> thanks
[08:14] <albacker> yzero, :S
[08:14] <robitaille> Firsti:  /etc/group
[08:14] <vince_> Well nite all , time to sleep
[08:14] <AvFnx> HermanDE, i got say thank you for your time
[08:14] <unimatrix9> hi there
[08:14] <crimsun> oofnik: ok, now: lsmod|grep ^emu10k1
[08:14] <HermanDE> AvFnx, There are a two major versions of flash in the apt-get repository.  One is the official and the other is a GPL'd version....  Get the official version.....
[08:14] <yzero> til then i'll use XP
[08:15] <yzero> fuck it
[08:15] <AvFnx> HermanDE, yea the official
[08:15] <oofnik> crimsun: done, no output
[08:15] <unimatrix9> i have a few machines with ubuntu installs, but the software is really limited, how can i expand it?
[08:15] <HermanDE> AvFnx, Did you restart your browser?
[08:15] <yzero> thanks for your help all.. i'll be back onec I get a blank cd.
[08:15] <crimsun> oofnik: good. Now: which amixer
[08:15] <albacker> yzero, you could use winxp boot manager to go to windows.
[08:16] <yzero> What do you mean.. I'm in windows now
[08:16] <vince_> unimatrix9, you can always compile :)
[08:16] <HermanDE> unimatrix9, How is it limited?
[08:16] <AvFnx> HermanDE, yea
[08:16] <albacker> yzero, all you have to do is get some help and some tutorials about windooze boot manager.
[08:16] <oofnik> crimsun: /usr/bin/amixer
[08:16] <yzero> albacker you mean i can use the windows boot manager to boot ubuntu?
[08:16] <HermanDE> AvFnx, Wow.....  Uh.  What does about:plugins show?
[08:16] <albacker> yzero yeah i think you can.
[08:16] <vince_> yzero, yes
[08:16] <unimatrix9> the repositories ...
[08:16] <yzero> Oh
[08:17] <yzero> k
[08:17] <gpd> me shudders
[08:17] <yzero> Anyone have a link?
[08:17] <vince_> yzero, hmm no sorry I wish I did :(
[08:17] <albacker> yzero just search a bit in google :D and youll have your ubuntu back
[08:17] <unimatrix9> for example if i wanted to install mplayer
[08:17] <HermanDE> unimatrix9, There are about 15000 packages available....  And that is just from Debian Stable.....
[08:17] <crimsun> oofnik: executing amixer should return a bunch of output (don't paste it here)
[08:17] <AvFnx> HermanDE, it show like i have it
[08:18] <unimatrix9> hmm, but they say that breaks ubuntu?
[08:18] <Firsti> How I can add some user to some group?
[08:18] <unimatrix9> thats not the case then?
[08:18] <specialbuddy> does anyone know how to get that wizard up that starts at the beginning of kde
[08:18] <crimsun> Firsti: adduser $user $group
[08:18] <Firsti> Example "user1" to "group1" ?
[08:18] <crimsun> Firsti: man adduser
[08:18] <oofnik> crimsun: it should, but it doesn't... Mixer attach default error: No such device... that's all it says
[08:18] <Firsti> Ah okay
[08:18] <vince_> unimatrix9, have you tried adding more sources? ----> www.ubuntuguide.org
[08:18] <AvFnx> HermanDE, u didnt have the same problem
[08:18] <Firsti> Tahnks
[08:18] <HermanDE> AvFnx, Well....  I'm not too sure what to say....
[08:18] <unimatrix9> no, but thats the answer i needed i guess
[08:18] <HermanDE> AvFnx, I don't like flash or shockwave to begin with....
[08:18] <crimsun> oofnik: cat /proc/asound/cards
[08:18] <AvFnx> HermanDE, oh
[08:19] <vince_> unimatrix9, :)
[08:19] <HermanDE> unimatrix9, What are you looking for?
[08:19] <oofnik> crimsun: --- no soundcards --- uh oh that can't be good
[08:19] <AvFnx> HermanDE, is the a software like dvdshrik in linux
[08:19] <HermanDE> AvFnx, I usually have problems when both the GPL'd and the offical version is installed.....
[08:19] <crimsun> oofnik: lsmod|grep ^snd_emu10k1
[08:20] <HermanDE> AvFnx, What does DVDShark do?
[08:20] <yzero> hey that snot a bad idea.. I could insall the GAG bootloader.
[08:20] <oofnik> crimsun: snd_emu10k1            81668  0
[08:20] <unimatrix9> installing multi media apps, like mplayer (DVD playback) beep (with lame) etc
[08:20] <specialbuddy> doe anyone know how to change between windows settings and mac, unix etc.
[08:20] <unimatrix9> the works
[08:20] <AvFnx> HermanDE, it make a back copy of dvd
[08:20] <albacker> yzero what is the GAG bootloader ?
[08:20] <HermanDE> unimatrix9, Sure...  It is available.....
[08:20] <crimsun> oofnik: give me the lspci -v line for your audigy2
[08:20] <yzero> albacker You can put it on a floppy and just boot off it.. install it
[08:20] <yzero> albacker it will detect all the partitions
[08:21] <AvFnx> HermanDE, it make perfect copy of dvd
[08:21] <albacker> yzero that is better.
[08:21] <yzero> im gonna try it
[08:21] <HermanDE> AvFnx, All versions of UNIX have a tool that can make a bit by bit copy of a DVD....
[08:21] <Firsti> Now "user1" is allowed to go anywhere he wants in my server, I want to he is allower to only his folder: /home/user1/ and he is NOT allowed to go example /home/ or / or something, What I should do?
[08:21] <HermanDE> AvFnx, It is called dd
[08:21] <albacker> and after bootin to ubuntu you can get grub installed. or lilo
[08:21] <albacker> i like grub :D
[08:21] <oofnik> crimsun: 0000:02:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs: Unknown device 0008
[08:21] <cartel_> HermanDE: have you actually tried dding a dvd or are you just talking out your ass?
[08:21] <HermanDE> Firsti, Setup a jail....
[08:22] <crimsun> oofnik: ok, paste the entire section (for just your audigy2) from lspci -v to #flood
[08:22] <AvFnx> HermanDE, the only reason i use windows is cause that software
[08:22] <HermanDE> cartel_, Yes....  and NO.....  I have dd a dvd..   :)
[08:22] <oofnik> crimsun: done
[08:23] <HermanDE> crimsun, It just sounds good to say that even UNIX can do bit copies of just about anything......
[08:23] <albacker> ok to everyone bye
[08:23] <HermanDE> AvFnx, Ok...  Are you trying to RIP or COPY a DVD?
[08:24] <crimsun> HermanDE: did you mean to address that to cartel_ instead?
[08:24] <AvFnx> HermanDE, copy
[08:24] <HermanDE> crimsun, Yep..  Getting a little loose on the tab comp....
[08:24] <Firsti> What JAil
[08:25] <HermanDE> AvFnx, Doing a proper copy of a DVD and putting it back on a DVD is a complex process.
[08:25] <HermanDE> AvFnx, The common solution is to RIP the video and place it on a DVD in a more portable format.
[08:25] <oofnik> crimson: did you see it?
[08:26] <crimsun> oofnik: yes, and I'm cross-referencing something
[08:26] <unimatrix9> i looked at the sources list
[08:26] <crimsun> oofnik: offhand, do you know the precise model # of your card?
[08:27] <AvFnx> HermanDE, for now......that one the thing linux missing..... windows xp till recently got copple good software
[08:27] <HermanDE> unimatrix9, What did you see in the sources list?
[08:27] <unimatrix9> so if i activate  "universe"i get acces to all tje goodies?
[08:27] <oofnik> crimsun: well, the install disc says audigy 2 value
[08:27] <AvFnx> HermanDE, i guess i going have to wait
[08:27] <oofnik> i'm pretty sure it's the one with the hardware chipset
[08:27] <HermanDE> AvFnx, It is not missing....  It just requires a bit of reading.
[08:27] <unimatrix9> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:27] <unimatrix9> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[08:28] <unimatrix9> these?
[08:28] <ale_> Did ubuntu-dev remove the sun-java-sdk?
[08:28] <HermanDE> unimatrix9, Just another section of stuff..  Then you have multiverse
[08:28] <AvFnx> HermanDE, only need gui most that i tried
[08:28] <HermanDE> AvFnx, If you learn the command line, you will have access to just about anything you could imagine.....
[08:28] <unimatrix9> where do i find multiuniverse? :P
[08:28] <crimsun> oofnik: interesting, because the audigy2 values can be vastly different from audigy2s
[08:29] <unimatrix9> a    i see
[08:29] <HermanDE> unimatrix9, I'm not too sure about the multi-universe.  Must be a string theory thing....
[08:29] <AvFnx> HermanDE, i been using linux 2 years, it was hard @ 1st but it my main os now
[08:29] <unimatrix9> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[08:29] <unimatrix9> there it is
[08:29] <maruchan> anyone use mame
[08:29] <HermanDE> unimatrix9, but multiverse is just another archive....
[08:29] <oofnik> crimsun: yeah, i read a bit about that.. the later being software controlled or something, like a winmodem of sorts
[08:29] <AvFnx> HermanDE, i got say cause ppl like ur self
[08:29] <unimatrix9> you where making a joke, but its really there, right?
[08:30] <crimsun> oofnik: ok, the next thing you need to do is: sudo apt-get --reinstall install alsa-base libasound2
[08:30] <HermanDE> unimatrix9, Yep.....
[08:30] <oofnik> yeah, alright
[08:30] <unimatrix9> okey , i have got the hang if it now..
[08:30] <yzero> doh it didn't work =[
[08:30] <crimsun> oofnik: also, sudo apt-get --reinstall install alsa-utils
[08:30] <HermanDE> yzero, Where are you now?
[08:30] <unimatrix9> thanx for  the input sofar...
[08:30] <yzero> HermanDE, I tried the GAG bootloader
[08:31] <HermanDE> unimatrix9, check out www.apt-get.org and the docs for ubuntu for more apt-get sources...
[08:31] <AvFnx> HermanDE, ima go sleep thank you for ur time
[08:31] <maruchan> does anyone know how to get a gamepad working in mame
[08:31] <HermanDE> yzero, Well, what happened?
[08:32] <oofnik> crimsun: done and done
[08:32] <HrdwrBoB> maruchan: depends on the gamepad
[08:32] <HrdwrBoB> maruchan: read the mame doco
[08:32] <yzero> HermanDE, Something about no sector or invalid sector on the linux partition
[08:32] <ka6sox> can anyone tell me if the AMD64 distro is 64/32 bit libraries or just 64bit?
[08:32] <HermanDE> yzero, I'll bet that grub did not setup properly......
[08:32] <unimatrix9> ok
[08:32] <yzero> Grub is gone out of the mbr
[08:32] <yzero> Its just a normal windows mbr now.. then i installed gag
[08:33] <yzero> didn't work.. so i removed it
[08:33] <HermanDE> yzero,  you need to gain access to the partition and have grub reinstall
[08:33] <yzero> back to windows mbr
[08:33] <unimatrix9> bye, and thanx
[08:33] <crimsun> oofnik: ok, the next thing you're going to try is to compile alsa-source from universe.
[08:33] <HermanDE> yzero, reboot with the cd.  Once the system boots, switch to a different console.....
[08:33] <yzero> grrr I need a blank cd =[
[08:33] <yzero> HermanDE I did try that.. and /dev/hda isn't there
[08:33] <HermanDE> yzero, Then attempt to mount the hard drive...
[08:33] <yzero> so i couldn't mount
[08:33] <crimsun> oofnik: so: sudo aptitude install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r) alsa-source
[08:33] <HermanDE> yzero, It may not be under /dev/hda it may be under /dev/sda
[08:34] <yzero> oh.
[08:34] <yzero> It is a laptop..;
[08:34] <yzero> is that possible to have sata?
[08:34] <yzero> device manger says its Ultra ATA in windows
[08:34] <HermanDE> yzero, Yes.....  And that could be the reason that grub went for lunch in Tokyo.....
[08:34] <yzero> haha.
[08:35] <yzero> ok let me try.
[08:35] <yzero> brb
[08:35] <oofnik> crimsun: alright, it's doing its stuff
[08:35] <thechitowncubs> Why is the menu structure for gnome so complicated?
[08:35] <thechitowncubs> it should be based off an xml file or something simple in ONE place
[08:36] <thechitowncubs> not .desktop files scattered over god knows where
[08:36] <thechitowncubs> and it should be modifiable by a right clean
[08:36] <thechitowncubs> click
[08:36] <crimsun> heh. Look in /usr/share/applications/*.desktop
[08:36] <umm> sata sata II sata III ..... steal from SCSI step by syep
[08:36] <oofnik> crimsun: okay, it finished
[08:36] <glDaher> I've added an invisible panel to my gnome... and it is giving an error message, I can't see it to remove it, how do I get to the config file for that?
[08:36] <HrdwrBoB> umm: and make it affordable.
[08:37] <crimsun> oofnik: all right, now: sudo dpkg-reconfigure alsa-source
[08:37] <umm> from 10 years old scsi
[08:37] <crimsun> oofnik: choose "no" to PnP, "yes" to debugging, and choose the emu10k1 driver
[08:38] <thechitowncubs> Is there any reason for the menu to be so damn complicated?
[08:38] <thechitowncubs> hasn't there been discussion about it?
[08:38] <glDaher> also I wanna add an entry to the gnome application menu
[08:38] <oofnik> crimsun: neat.. okay done
[08:38] <HermanDE> thechitowncubs, Yes...  The menu discussion is about 6 years old.....
[08:38] <yzero> HermanDE =[ no sda and I did dmesg >crap then cat crap | more.. no sign of my HD =[
[08:39] <thechitowncubs> HermanDE: and who came to the conclusion that .desktop files were the way to go?
[08:39] <crimsun> oofnik: now: cd /usr/src && sudo tar jfx alsa-driver.tar.bz2 && cd modules/alsa-driver && sudo debian/rules binary_modules KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) KVERS=$(uname -r)
[08:39] <HermanDE> thechitowncubs, Then Debian decided to utilize a new application called menu.
[08:39] <yzero> menu is great.
[08:40] <yzero> Stupid new fancy laptops
[08:40] <yzero> I shouldn't have got one this nice
[08:40] <HermanDE> thechitowncubs, it was a decision of GNOME not the distro providers...... That is why just about every debian based system uses menu
[08:40] <Tac> anyone know when the next shipment goes out?
[08:40] <thechitowncubs> HermanDE: does ubuntu use menu?
[08:40] <HermanDE> yzero, you many have to load a module from the cd.
[08:40] <HermanDE> thechitowncubs, it is debian based.....
[08:41] <thechitowncubs> HermanDE: what exactly does "menu" do?
[08:41] <yzero> HermanDE I'm thinking I'll reinstall again.. and right after the grub-install.. i will alt-f2.
[08:41] <yzero> and look at menu.lst
[08:41] <HermanDE> yzero, Probably the best thing....
[08:41] <kakalto> has anyone else had issues when trying to apply a background image for grub, with an nvidia carD?
[08:41] <kakalto> *card
[08:41] <HermanDE> thechitowncubs, It provides a system for syncronizing all window managers......
[08:41] <oofnik> crimsun: was that supposed to produce any output? and be <1 sec?
[08:42] <crimsun> oofnik: did you follow my syntax precisely?
[08:42] <HermanDE> thechitowncubs, Such that you can modify a menu under KDE and see the change under GNOME or blackbox.
[08:42] <thechitowncubs> Cool, well there needs to be some serious thinking about the crappy system. It seems so complicated, and it seems to be such a simple concept.
[08:43] <HermanDE> thechitowncubs, Uh...  Like I said.  For the most part it is solved...  Where have you been?
[08:43] <oofnik> crimsun: i did this time :-P
[08:43] <crimsun> oofnik: ...and?
[08:43] <oofnik> now it's compiling
[08:43] <crimsun> ok.
[08:43] <thechitowncubs> HermanDE: doesn't seemed solved from a GUI standpoint, there shouldn't be a need for an application like smeg (even though its great) if you could just right clean and add stuff...
[08:44] <thechitowncubs> why do i keep typing clean instead of click
[08:44] <oofnik> crimsun do you work for ubuntu or something?
[08:44] <oofnik> you really know your stuff here it seems
[08:45] <HermanDE> thechitowncubs, Because each window manager development team thinks that their system is much better than someone else....
[08:45] <thechitowncubs> HermanDE: well gnome's sucks :P
[08:45] <thechitowncubs> lol
[08:45] <thechitowncubs> and i'm fed up
[08:45] <thechitowncubs> and thats why i'm blowing a gasket
[08:45] <HermanDE> thechitowncubs, This is why a compiled version of KDE or GNOME has a large amount of this cruft.....
[08:45] <Nic> thechitowncubs, at least it better than kde :D
[08:45] <HermanDE> thechitowncubs, and why a proper distro will smooth the edges......
[08:45] <budluva> did i miss something somewhere or does the live cd not create a new user when installing?
[08:45] <yzero> kde is a pile of junk :P
[08:46] <jeld> hello all
[08:46] <thechitowncubs> KDE is a fisher price toy
[08:46] <Nic> lol yeah
[08:46] <Nic> so is winblows
[08:46] <hardcampa-> KDE makes even linux look like teletubby land
[08:46] <HermanDE> Y'll stink.  XTERM rules.....
[08:46] <thechitowncubs> windblows
[08:46] <thechitowncubs> LOL
[08:46] <thechitowncubs> teletubby land
[08:46] <thechitowncubs> hahhaa
[08:46] <jeld> question about sound cards, how do I can force one of my cards to be the first
[08:46] <thechitowncubs> LMAO
[08:47] <crimsun> jeld: cat /proc/asound/modules
[08:47] <oofnik> okay crimsun it's all done
[08:47] <jeld> 0 snd_usb_audio
[08:47] <jeld> 1 snd_emu10k1
[08:47] <HermanDE> jeld, I think you can assign card numbers by the pci code....
[08:47] <crimsun> jeld: and you want the sblive/audigy to be primary?
[08:48] <cyphase> hey everyone
[08:48] <thechitowncubs> hey whats up
[08:48] <jeld> crimsun, I wanna try to see if my audigy will work
[08:48] <crimsun> jeld: echo "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[08:48] <budluva> can someone help me with a live cd question? why does it not ask me to create a new user? just uses a default user 'ubuntu' and when i su - wtf is root pw??? it didnt ask me to set any
[08:48] <crimsun> oofnik: ls ../*.deb
[08:49] <jbroome> budluva: use sudo
[08:49] <cory_> can i ask somebody a question =)?
[08:49] <oofnik> ../alsa-modules-2.6.10-5-386_1.0.8-4ubuntu4_i386.deb
[08:49] <thechitowncubs> cory: ok
[08:49] <cory_> gracias
[08:49] <crimsun> oofnik: sudo dpkg -i ../*.deb
[08:50] <HermanDE> cory_, Only if you don't pull down your pants...
[08:50] <thechitowncubs> cory: i think you need to be in #ubuntu-es ;-)
[08:50] <oofnik> crimsun.. i heard my speakers thump...
[08:50] <cory_> okay i'm trying to copy some dlls to my wine system folder.  but it says i can't because i don't have permissions.  The only user that does is root.  can i change it to where i can add dlls to that folder?
[08:50] <oofnik> ALSAMIXER LOADS!! YES!!
[08:51] <thechitowncubs> cory: what are you trying to use wine for?
[08:51] <cory_> kazaa
[08:51] <thechitowncubs> LOL
[08:51] <HermanDE> cory_, AAAKKK  Are you running wine as root?
[08:51] <crimsun> oofnik: now paste the output from amixer onto pastebin
[08:51] <thechitowncubs> i solved the problem
[08:51] <cory_> no
[08:51] <cory_> wait
[08:51] <cory_> i'm running it under my user name
[08:51] <thechitowncubs> cory: don't ever use kazaa
[08:51] <glDaher> how do I reconfigure the gnome panel back to its defaults?
[08:51] <cory_> mldonkey sux
[08:51] <cory_> i can't find anything that actually works
[08:52] <thechitowncubs> cory: i suggest you use some alternatives like (giftui, gtk-gnutella, limewire)
[08:52] <glDaher> apt-get reconfigure gnome-panel ?
[08:52] <HermanDE> cory_, Have you tried LimeWire?
[08:52] <watje> watje@dionyxus:~ $ glxgears
[08:52] <watje> Segmentation fault
[08:52] <watje> ;x
[08:52] <cory_> yeah, in the past
[08:52] <cory_> have any of ya'll ever used ares?
[08:52] <thechitowncubs> i just tried giftui and i was very impressed
[08:52] <cory_> for windows
[08:52] <thechitowncubs> cory: yes
[08:52] <cory_> whats the closest thing to that for linux?
[08:52] <thechitowncubs> cory: giftui
[08:52] <thechitowncubs> and the gift daemon
[08:52] <cory_> because ares was the best p2p i've ever used
[08:53] <thechitowncubs> http://giftd.sf.net
[08:53] <oofnik> wow that's a lot of stuff
[08:53] <umm> warez?
[08:53] <crimsun> oofnik: url?
[08:53] <thechitowncubs> http://gift.sf.net
[08:53] <cory_> ok thx, i'm going to give that a try
[08:53] <umm> (virus...)
[08:54] <cory_> just for the sake of knowing.  Is there a way to change the permissions?
[08:54] <thechitowncubs> cory: that requires just a little configuring at first, but once you get that workin then its golden
[08:54] <thechitowncubs> chmod
[08:54] <oofnik> here you go crimsun: http://pastebin.com/302836
[08:54] <thechitowncubs> cory: if you don't want to deal with configuring crap use this : sudo apt-get install gtk-gnutella
[08:54] <cory_> would i have to run a root terminial to do that?
[08:55] <thechitowncubs> no
[08:55] <thechitowncubs> sudo means run as root
[08:55] <crimsun> oofnik: amixer sset 'Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack' on
[08:55] <beper> hi
[08:56] <oofnik> bingo
[08:56] <oofnik> it's playing
[08:56] <oofnik> crimsun i don't know how to thank you
[08:56] <crimsun> no worries.
[08:56] <toinou> hello I would like that apache run my PHP pages which aren't in /var/www/ but in my /var/lib/cvs/www/ , how must I do  ?
[08:56] <oofnik> will these settings stay put on reboot?
[08:56] <crimsun> oofnik: yep, presuming you reboot/shut down normally
[08:57] <cory_> wow, okay i kind of like gtk-gnutella
[08:57] <SpecialBuddy> how do I set it up to double click like windows
[08:57] <SpecialBuddy> ?
[08:57] <SpecialBuddy> does anyone know
[08:57] <cartel_> cory: try apollon
[08:57] <cartel_> :)
[08:58] <oofnik> okay.. wow.. so basically all i did was just rebuild alsa from source and install it the right way?
[08:58] <thechitowncubs> cory: ya, its ok, the GUI is a little sloppy
[08:58] <thechitowncubs> but it works pretty good
[08:58] <crimsun> oofnik: that, and you unmuted a critical mixer element
[08:59] <oofnik> yeah, that's what i had to do when i had fedora
[08:59] <oofnik> i remember that part
[08:59] <sknroiws> :o
[08:59] <sknroiws> Its broken
[09:00] <sknroiws> I tried to install ubuntu
[09:00] <sknroiws> And it broke
[09:00] <sknroiws> It said it couldnt install some packages
[09:00] <sknroiws> And then I booted up
[09:00] <sknroiws> And the x server doesn work
[09:00] <sknroiws> How do I resinstall the x server?
[09:00] <oofnik> haha.. now if i ever have to reinstall ubuntu, i'll have to somehow do that again.. unless it works out of the box in the next release! thank you again crimsun!
[09:00] <cory_> whats apollon?
[09:00] <crimsun> oofnik: it'll work out of the box in the next release, breezy
[09:01] <oofnik> how's breezy coming along?
[09:01] <cartel_> cory_: kde fileshare app
[09:01] <cory_> oh ok
[09:01] <crimsun> oofnik: fairly well considering there have been invasive toolchain updates
[09:01] <sknroiws> What is the x server called?
[09:01] <cartel_> XOrg
[09:01] <cory_> one prob with gtk-gnutella is...my download is stopped at 1%.  I thought maybe i just found something that was going to work for me :'(
[09:01] <cartel_> crimsun: how big is canonical's buildd?
[09:02] <thechitowncubs> cory: its a gui bug
[09:02] <thechitowncubs> the gui is sloppy
[09:02] <crimsun> cartel_: there are at least 3 buildds for each arch
[09:02] <thechitowncubs> cory: look at the other tabs
[09:02] <oofnik> great
[09:02] <cartel_> crimsun: how long does it take you to regenerate the entire archive?
[09:02] <oofnik> i'm definitely looking forward to it
[09:02] <crimsun> cartel_: a few days is my guess
[09:02] <sknroiws> I think my hard drive is broken
[09:03] <umm> ?
[09:03] <crimsun> cartel_: that is of course precluding any spectacular FTBFSes
[09:03] <sknroiws> Im getting erors like Buffer I/O error on device hdc
[09:03] <merc> is there a way to have konsole let me open hyperlinks? (instead of copy&pasting the link into a browser) similar to the way gnome-console does?
[09:03] <umm> what do you mean "broken"?
[09:03] <sknroiws> and then it says logical block 234790
[09:03] <yzero> I HATE YOU UBUNTU JUST INSTALL GRUB
[09:03] <yzero> =[
[09:03] <umm> ...
[09:03] <umm> ~_~ oh my ears
[09:04] <cory_> so is it really downloading.  Or just stopped?
[09:04] <sknroiws> Does that mean my hard drive is messed up?
[09:04] <yzero> fuck this i'm throwing this laptop into the ocean right now
[09:04] <yzero> 3 grand out the window
[09:04] <yzero> fuck
[09:04] <sknroiws> lol
[09:05] <umm> what kind of laptop?
[09:05] <sknroiws> He lef
[09:05] <cory_> haha i'm anidiot its finished.  but stopped at 1%
[09:05] <cartel_> crimsun: wanna-build should automatically dispatch a paper bag to whatever developer causes a showstopper ftbfs
[09:05] <cartel_> :)
[09:05] <umm> badblock command?
[09:08] <mindspin> where do I configure a machine to boot without keyboard ?
[09:08] <oofnik> well it's bed time in EST, thank you once again crimsun, see you around
[09:08] <thechitowncubs> bed time in CST
[09:08] <thechitowncubs> :P
[09:09] <oofnik> haha yeah, there too
[09:09] <mindspin> in cet its good morning let's work time ;-)
[09:09] <oofnik> good night guys
[09:10] <crimsun> oofnik: l8r
[09:11] <cory_> hey, what's ya'lls preference on burning software?  gnomebaker seemed rather slow for me.
[09:12] <thechitowncubs> cory: graveman
[09:12] <thechitowncubs> sudo apt-get install graveman
[09:12] <cory_> lot better?
[09:12] <thechitowncubs> i like it more
[09:13] <atrusSoCA> k3b
[09:14] <cory_> awesome
[09:14] <REds> k3b for sure
[09:14] <REds> even though im a gnome person
[09:14] <cory_> k3b is that also burning software?
[09:14] <thechitowncubs> k3b isn't my cup of tea
[09:14] <REds> ye man kicks ass ;p
[09:14] <thechitowncubs> graveman should suit you well
[09:14] <umm> k3b is ugly
[09:15] <umm> I  want a free nero for linux
[09:15] <cory_> i'm looking for speed, because i mean i have a fricken amd 64 bit processor w/a gig of ram and it took me 45 minutes to convert .mp3s//.ogg files to .cda format the other day
[09:15] <REds> haha
[09:15] <cory_> that was rediculous
[09:16] <umm> xvid & ogg is good
[09:16] <umm> no drm
[09:16] <cory_> i like the simplicity of graveman's gui
[09:17] <umm> what's that?
[09:17] <umm> K00l
[09:18] <jeanre_> hi all
[09:18] <topyli> nautilus for data, serpentine for audio cd's. can't get much simpler :)
[09:18] <jeanre_> I have a issue upgrading warty to breezy
[09:18] <topyli> jeanre_: that's a problem by definition
[09:18] <DukGalNamu> ok, so now it takes 10 sec to load openoffice
[09:18] <Nic> jeanre_, thats why it hasnt been released
[09:18] <Nic> heh heh yeah
[09:19] <jeanre_> well
[09:19] <jeanre_> can I fix this?
[09:19] <Nic> is serpentine in universe?
[09:19] <umm> The Hoary Hedgehog?
[09:19] <jeanre_>  conflicting packages - not installing libx11-6
[09:19] <jeanre_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:19] <jeanre_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/xlibs-data_6.8.2-32_all.deb
[09:19] <jeanre_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libx11-6_1%3a6.2.1+cvs.20050615-3_i386.deb
[09:19] <jeanre_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:19] <sknroiws> :/
[09:19] <DukGalNamu> anyone know how to change text color?
[09:19] <jbroome> no paste
[09:19] <topyli> jeanre_: upgrade to hoary first. then you might be able to go to breezy
[09:19] <Nic> look on the forum
[09:19] <DukGalNamu> in openoffice
[09:19] <jeanre_> ok
[09:19] <sknroiws> I think my hard drive is broken
[09:19] <Nic> jeanre_, in the top sticky
[09:19] <sknroiws> But I dont want to install it on my 200GB
[09:19] <Nic> of the development forum
[09:19] <DukGalNamu> sknroiws: you wouldn't be talking here if ti was
[09:19] <Nic> it says its a bug
[09:20] <sknroiws> ..
[09:20] <sknroiws> I have a different compuer
[09:20] <sknroiws> computer
[09:20] <DukGalNamu> sknroiws: ohh
[09:20] <DukGalNamu> sknroiws: :P
[09:20] <umm> xpc?
[09:20] <sknroiws> I have a 200GB on there
[09:20] <holycow> well thats fucking weird
[09:20] <holycow> nautilus cannot browse an ancrypted dvd, yet i can copy at least half the vob files and play them from hd?
[09:20] <sknroiws> But its full of porn
[09:20] <holycow> wtf?
[09:20] <sknroiws> And I dont want to delete it
[09:20] <sknroiws> Its my lifes work
[09:20] <topyli> heh
[09:20] <umm> just buy a new one
[09:20] <DukGalNamu> sknroiws: porn breaks computers......
[09:21] <umm> or search from trash can
[09:21] <sknroiws> Well my 120GB and my 200GB is full of porn
[09:21] <topyli> sknroiws: you are one productive porn star. how many movies is that? ;)
[09:21] <sknroiws> I have the os on a 15GB
[09:21] <DukGalNamu> sknroiws: how big of an hd do you need?
[09:21] <sknroiws> Lots
[09:21] <umm> sell it and buy a new one
[09:21] <sknroiws> I just need to install ubuntu on it
[09:21] <sknroiws> My 15gb doesnt work anymore
[09:21] <DukGalNamu> you can buy up to 80GB with little more then $60
[09:22] <sknroiws> I dont have any money
[09:22] <sknroiws> Im saving up to buy a punching bag
[09:22] <umm> $55
[09:22] <umm> or $50
[09:22] <DukGalNamu> $52.91
[09:22] <sknroiws> For my muay that training
[09:22] <sknroiws> muay thai training *
[09:23] <umm> I will wait for $25
[09:23] <sknroiws> Ugh
[09:23] <umm> or $30
[09:23] <sknroiws> I guess Ill just delete my 200GB
[09:23] <DukGalNamu> why.... would you not have $50
[09:23] <sknroiws> I can just download it all again
[09:23] <holycow> is it possible to kill an 'uninterruptible' process?
[09:23] <DukGalNamu> yeah
[09:23] <sknroiws> FIOS is great :)
[09:23] <DukGalNamu> holycow: did you try killing it while root?
[09:23] <holycow> well sudo, not root
[09:24] <DukGalNamu> with kill -9?
[09:24] <DukGalNamu> or just killall
[09:25] <holycow> heh
[09:25] <DukGalNamu> ?
[09:25] <holycow> nope just double checked all
[09:25] <holycow> its still there
[09:25] <holycow> vobcopy (two of them) status: uninterruptable
[09:26] <DukGalNamu> kill x
[09:26] <holycow> heh
[09:26] <DukGalNamu> it might work....
[09:26] <DukGalNamu> what is afk?
[09:27] <holycow> away from keyboard
[09:27] <DukGalNamu> ahhh
[09:27] <sknroiws> ><
[09:27] <sknroiws> After I already formatted I found a 40GB
[09:27] <sknroiws> Just laying in my closet
[09:27] <DukGalNamu> sknroiws: that is the worst...
[09:27] <DukGalNamu> sknroiws: welll, porn is a bad habit anyways...
[09:28] <DukGalNamu> g2g
[09:28] <xero> hey guys
[09:28] <DukGalNamu> cya all
[09:29] <xero> for some reason when i ssh into my ubuntu machine it doesnt xforward
[09:29] <sknroiws> I only lost 200GB
[09:29] <sknroiws> I still have 120GB
[09:29] <xero> it says something about xauth
[09:29] <xero> but i dont know what i am doing wrong?
[09:34] <thechitowncubs> gut night
[09:36] <xero> :-/
[09:37] <Seveas> 'someting about xauth' is a too vague error i'm afraid
[09:37] <jeanre_> ok now I have a issue
[09:37] <jeanre_> I can not even startx
[09:37] <jeanre_> and I can not download another 300mb
[09:38] <Seveas> jeanre_, what happens if you try startx?
[09:38] <jeanre_> tells me it can not startx
[09:38] <Seveas> yes, but it should give a reason why :)
[09:38] <jeanre_> I tried to go from warty to breezy
[09:38] <Seveas> hmm
[09:38] <brendan_> Does anyone know about the World of Warcraft mouse issue or whatever?
[09:38] <jeanre_> there is no X on my system anymore :(
[09:38] <Seveas> have you read the topic jeanre_ ?
[09:39] <rommer> i tried installing php5 from source but now i cant run any php file from my web browser any ideas?
[09:39] <Seveas> warty 2 breezy is totally unupported too
[09:39] <Seveas> and breezy should NOT be used by people eho don't know how to fix things like this...
[09:39] <Seveas> So you're on your own in this...
[09:39] <riffic> hah, warty to breezy
[09:39] <riffic> thats funnt
[09:40] <Seveas> yeah, probably the first one to be THAT stupid :)
[09:41] <Seveas> jeanre_, you should ask before talking in private, it's impolite and not appreciated to just open a private chat
[09:41] <Seveas> and no, I cannot help you
[09:41] <Seveas> I don't even want to, people who create such a mess against all warnings are beyond help...
[09:41] <jeanre_> Seveas: so is your brain dude
[09:41] <jeanre_> :)
[09:42] <kestas> ouch
[09:42] <Seveas> jeanre_, look at yourself
[09:42] <mindspin> Seveas cool down
[09:42] <gm78> Hi. I have an old Warty box that I am thinking of upgrading to Hoary. However, it has a bunch of debs installed that arent part of ubuntu (such as some packages from marillat, some packages ive compiled and installed using checkinstall, etc.). Will these extra debs affect the upgrade process. Also, is there a command to list debs that are installed on the system but are not available from any of the repos listed in your sources.list file?
[09:42] <merc> hah
[09:42] <bosewicht> anyone use nessus with ubuntu?
[09:42] <kestas> gm78: if you go into synaptic it has a 'Outdated or system specific packages' tab
[09:42] <Seveas> gm78, for the latter part: you can check the locally instaled / obsolete section with synaptic
[09:43] <kestas> gm78: which should list it
[09:43] <mindspin> bosewicht sometimes
[09:43] <Seveas> marillat might scre up the upgrades a bit, so try disabling it before upgrading
[09:43] <jeanre_> Seveas: everyone is not as bright as you
[09:43] <Seveas> jeanre_, i'm not saying I'm bright at all..
[09:43] <bosewicht> i can't get it t work...i think it has to do with sudo but not sure
[09:43] <robitaille> Seveas:  in Warty?  I thought that wat just in Hoary's Synaptic (could be wrong...haven't touched Warty in a while...)
[09:43] <Seveas> robitaille, you're right
[09:43] <kestas> bosewicht: if you cant get it to work then you probably shouldnt be installing it
[09:44] <mindspin> I can't get it to work is very vague
[09:44] <Seveas> well, use aptitude then :)
[09:44] <kestas> I got it to work
[09:44] <kestas> the only thing which is unusual is that you have to install it with apt-get, as it needs you to enter some things as it installs
[09:44] <bosewicht> hmm, i think i should install it, but the plugins aren't showing up and after i launch it it's just not connecting
[09:44] <kestas> or use the terminal thing in synaptic
[09:45] <gm78> kestas and all : thank you guys, you showed me what i was looking for :)
[09:45] <mindspin> you know , you need a server runing?
[09:45] <kestas> bosewicht: I think the plugins are a seperate install thing
[09:45] <Vjaz> Hi y'all.
[09:45] <Seveas> Hi
[09:45] <kestas> bosewicht: and you need to add a user I seem to remember
[09:45] <mindspin> yep
[09:45] <kestas> bosewicht: and you need to start it up
[09:45] <mindspin> thats what I meant
[09:46] <mindspin> nessusd
[09:46] <Vjaz> Anyone know where I could find instructions in compiling a kernel for Ubuntu? I would really like something that describes how to duplicate a stock Ubuntu kernel, really.
[09:46] <bosewicht> i installed the plugins...i have it running fine on my other box, but the ubuntu laptop is giving me problems...i thought maybe other people might be having probs too...i'll take a closer look at it
[09:46] <Vjaz> Especially the initrd-part.
[09:46] <xero> does anybody know about the xauth???
[09:46] <Seveas> Vjaz, there is a kernelcompilehowto on the ubuntu wiki
[09:46] <robitaille> Vjaz:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[09:47] <Seveas> in short: apt-get install linux-source-1.6.10-5 kernel-package
[09:47] <Seveas> and use make-kpkg to so all the magic
[09:47] <Seveas> di*
[09:47] <Seveas> do*
[09:48] <Vjaz> Thanks.
[09:48] <Vjaz> I won't be compiling a Ubuntu kernel though because I need 2.6.12. (Which makes it silly that I asked how to duplicate stock Ubuntu, but oh well...)
[09:49] <rommer> has anyone successfully installed php5 from source?
[09:49] <Seveas> Vjaz, try an Ubuntu 2.6.12 kernel from Breezy :)
[09:49] <Vjaz> Seveas, They only have 2.6.11, don't they?
[09:49] <Seveas> rommer, there are 2 separate howtos on the wiki. I guess that the authors of those pages had success
[09:49] <|iggy|> hi
[09:49] <Seveas> Vjaz, 2.6.12 will kick in soon
[09:50] <Vjaz> soon... I need it NOW! ;-)
[09:50] <Seveas> :D
[09:51] <|iggy|> i had installed a new mainboard with another chipset is there any solution to re-run the hardware check / find
[09:51] <rommer> hmm yea
[09:51] <robitaille> Vjaz:  I think 2.6.12 is already available in Breezy (http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.12/)
[09:53] <Vjaz> Ah, that's nice.
[09:55] <Vjaz> I wonder if I can pop in a breezy image...
[09:55] <Vjaz> I guess it might work, but then again it might not. We'll see.
[09:59] <cthulfuego> Oh the joys of VPN through public wifi at one's favourite bistro...
[10:00] <Seveas> Vjaz, there are some hotplug problems with 2.6.12...
[10:03] <Vjaz> Seveas, Damn.
[10:05] <jessid> how do I start power control daemon?
[10:07] <Jesse1> jessid, wats the package for that called?
[10:12] <Yuki-San> anyone know if the ubuntu servers work well, i wanna set one up
[10:14] <Jesse1> Yuki-San,  im like hte only one here and ive never created a ubuntu server
[10:14] <cazabam> good morning, everyone
[10:15] <Jesse1> cazabam, where you live?
[10:15] <cazabam> England :)
[10:15] <Yuki-San> Jesse1, i'm a rahter noob with linux, what distro would you reccomend for a server?
[10:15] <Jesse1> ah thats along way from australia
[10:15] <cazabam> yep
[10:16] <cazabam> does anyone know about sound on Thinkpads? specifically recording from linein?
[10:16] <cazabam> When I plug my stereo into line-in, I hear the sound through the speakers but nothing can record it
[10:17] <Jesse1> Yuki-San, i dont know much about the ubuntu server but you might want to check out this part of the forum http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=45
[10:17] <mindspin> Yuki what do you want to do with the server?
[10:17] <mindspin> linux noob and linux server sounds dangerous
[10:17] <Yuki-San> i need to host my scanlation groups website
[10:17] <Yuki-San> and scanlated manga
[10:18] <Yuki-San> mindspin, i have no choice...
[10:18] <mindspin> its a public machine?
[10:18] <Yuki-San> i'm not that much of a noob i've used fedora for almost a year
[10:18] <marsh> Anyone know how to restart a bittorrent - I had an image downloading with firefox & ran out of electric & now I cant find out how to restart it :(... I've checked the FAQ & WIKI, but cant find anything about restarting torrents. Gnome torrent asks me to point at the meta file, I can only find the half downloaded file & presume it is meta, but it wont continue the download... anyone know why?
[10:18] <Yuki-San> but im not an expert
[10:18] <mindspin> then I would recommend debian sarge
[10:19] <mindspin> GUI on a public server seems not clever to me
[10:19] <Jesse1> yea anyone could easly change stuff
[10:19] <mindspin> but I see no problem installing ubuntu server
[10:19] <Yuki-San> is it hard...
[10:19] <mindspin> no,
[10:19] <mindspin> not that
[10:20] <Yuki-San> can some send me a link to the howto for this
[10:20] <mindspin> you could use mc as filemanager and editor
[10:20] <mindspin> its kinda eaysier than using bash and vi/jeoe/whatever
[10:21] <mindspin> but you sure want a database running
[10:22] <Yuki-San> grahh, i can't find the link in the howtos, on how to set up a server
[10:22] <mindspin> so its not a question of how linux, but more how running a LAMP system
[10:22] <berkes> Yuki-San: its on the ubuntu CD
[10:22] <berkes> just use the option "base"
[10:22] <Yuki-San> eh?
[10:22] <Jesse1> Yuki-San, also what internet connection will the server use?
[10:22] <Yuki-San> it's gives you he option?
[10:22] <mindspin> just choose options server or so... dunno
[10:22] <berkes> Yuki-San: eys
[10:22] <Yuki-San> i have roadrunner
[10:22] <Jesse1> ?
[10:22] <Yuki-San> it's father then comcast
[10:22] <Yuki-San> it's cable
[10:23] <mindspin> you want to run it from home?
[10:23] <Yuki-San> yeh...
[10:23] <mindspin> be careful
[10:23] <Yuki-San> mindspin, where else?
[10:23] <mindspin> in a datacenter
[10:23] <Yuki-San> explain...
[10:23] <mindspin> just get you a standalone server or a root server
[10:24] <mindspin> rent it
[10:24] <Yuki-San> no money...
[10:24] <mindspin> haha
[10:24] <mindspin> thats bad
[10:24] <Yuki-San> berkes, will it give me an option to pick if i want to set it up as a server?
[10:24] <mindspin> so be careful
[10:24] <Yuki-San> mindspin, ok
[10:24] <Jesse1> Yuki-San, yes thats my problem no $$ for a server the geocities has been enough for me so far
[10:25] <berkes> Yuki-San: yes
[10:25] <berkes> its called "base"
[10:25] <mindspin> you can get it for about 20  here in germany
[10:25] <Yuki-San> Jesse1, geocities = no mysql
[10:25] <Jesse1> Yuki-San, yes thats a bummer
[10:25] <mindspin> if you share it with some friends, thats not expensive
[10:25] <berkes> Yuki-San: but a VPS is very cheap now adays
[10:25] <Yuki-San> mindspin, i have no friends -_-;
[10:25] <Yuki-San> ;p;
[10:25] <Yuki-San> j/k
[10:25] <Jesse1> mindspin, in australia im expecting that to be expensive
[10:26] <berkes> for approx ?20/month you have your own server
[10:26] <berkes> with root access and all
[10:26] <mindspin> yes
[10:26] <berkes> you cannot beat that with your own server :)
[10:26] <mindspin> 20 is the lowest fare I#ve seen
[10:26] <Yuki-San> i live in texas, they didn't get computers here until 2004
[10:26] <Yuki-San> ...
[10:26] <Yuki-San> i did, but most of the poeple didn't
[10:27] <Jesse1> Yuki-San, dang....
[10:27] <berkes> mindspin: i have a cuople of acoutns for only ?14/month
[10:27] <Yuki-San> if anyone here is from US they will know
[10:27] <mindspin> thats pretty good
[10:27] <Yuki-San> it's called orange, tx it has a population of 2,000
[10:27] <sknroiws> >,
[10:28] <sknroiws> For some reason I cant install i386 version
[10:28] <sknroiws> of ubunu
[10:28] <sknroiws> I can install the amd64 version
[10:28] <sulff> hi, does someone know where i could get the files to run a server cs:source on ubuntu plz ??
[10:28] <sknroiws> I know
[10:28] <sknroiws> I use to run a game server company
[10:28] <sknroiws> Hmm
[10:28] <sknroiws> Let me remember
[10:28] <sknroiws> ><
[10:29] <sulff> lol
[10:29] <sknroiws> Well first
[10:29] <sulff> :p
[10:29] <sknroiws> You need the steam file
[10:29] <Jesse1> Yuki-San, there is another semi-free service that i use it has mysql its at http://lifelesspeople.com all you do is post in a forum and you get the hosting for free ive had it 2 months its good
[10:29] <sulff> ok i have it but it dont includes cs:source
[10:29] <sknroiws> Yes i does
[10:29] <sknroiws> You jus have to know the right commands
[10:29] <orlando> hi, ubuntu keeps switching back to default 1600x1200 resolution on startup even though i checked 'Make Default' when i changed to 1024x768. how do I make ubuntu start in 1024x768
[10:29] <sulff> is it possible to download it
[10:29] <sulff> oki thanks
[10:30] <nelsonrat> How does a Live CD work
[10:31] <Jesse1> live cd works by magic,      it loads everything in to the memory instead of saving it on to the harddisk so if you have 256 mb of ram then you have 256 mb of space for the live cd
[10:31] <Jesse1> and if you restart the computer with the live cd the memory is clear and everything goes back to normal
[10:31] <nelsonrat> how do i get one to work
[10:31] <Jesse1> just put the cd in the computer and restart
[10:32] <topyli> nelsonrat: stick it in, reboot
[10:32] <nelsonrat> i did it 2 times now
[10:32] <nelsonrat> it did not work
[10:32] <Jesse1> and what happend those 2 times
[10:32] <sknroiws> sulff: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=14834c5fdbe4ac9a08fd3e73196734ed&threadid=292495
[10:33] <topyli> nelsonrat: ah, you have to change the boot sequence in your computer's BIOS
[10:33] <nelsonrat> It said compaq IN RED THEN wINDOWS XP
[10:33] <sknroiws> On my computer I can press f8
[10:33] <Jesse1> nelsonrat, make sure when changing it to make the cd first, floppy second, harddrive 3rd
[10:34] <sknroiws> And i allows me to select the device to boot
[10:34] <topyli> nice touch
[10:34] <Jesse1> sknroiws, most computers that will boot windows in safe mode
[10:34] <sknroiws> :/
[10:34] <sknroiws> I guess mine is special
[10:35] <Jesse1> must be
[10:35] <sknroiws> The i386 version of ubuntu is broken on my computer It will only let me install AMD64 version now
[10:36] <Jesse1> sknroiws, .... do yuo have a amd 64 processor?
[10:36] <sknroiws> Yes
[10:36] <sknroiws> But setting stuff up in the amd64 version is harder
[10:37] <sknroiws> Most of the stuff on ubuntuguide.org doesnt work with it
[10:37] <Jesse1> sknroiws, what doesnt work most of it should
[10:37] <sknroiws> All the installing applications stuff
[10:37] <Jesse1> sknroiws, did u add the extra repositores list
[10:37] <sulff> skrnoiws thanks for the link
[10:37] <sknroiws> Yes
[10:38] <sknroiws> What kind of internet connection do you have sulff
[10:38] <sknroiws> It takes a pretty good connection to run a decent server.
[10:38] <Jesse1> the apt-get command should work in all versions of ubuntu
[10:38] <sknroiws> It doesnt find the packages
[10:38] <sknroiws> I even had a guy send me his sources.list file
[10:39] <sknroiws> And I put it in
[10:39] <Jesse1> ....
[10:39] <sknroiws> And It still didnt find it
[10:39] <Jesse1> did u try apt-get update
[10:39] <Jesse1> first
[10:39] <Jesse1> then try apt-get package
[10:39] <sknroiws> Yes
[10:39] <Jesse1> tryed the synaptic?
[10:40] <sknroiws> No
[10:40] <sknroiws> Just apt-get
[10:40] <Jesse1> well try the synaptic it probably will give you a better error than apt-get will
[10:40] <sulff> i have only 256 kbits of upload lol
[10:40] <sknroiws> ><
[10:40] <sknroiws> You need better upload
[10:40] <Jesse1> sluff if more that 3 people connect there will die
[10:40] <sulff> :/
[10:41] <sulff> lol
[10:41] <sknroiws> I have 2mbit upload
[10:41] <sulff> ok
[10:41] <Jesse1> ive got 64 :P i win
[10:41] <sulff> :s in france uploads sucks
[10:41] <sknroiws> :o
[10:41] <sulff> lol
[10:41] <sknroiws> Well I use to have 256kbit upload
[10:41] <sknroiws> But then I got FIOS
[10:42] <sknroiws> 15mbit down/2mbit up
[10:42] <sulff> ok
[10:42] <Jesse1> sknroiws, thats a nice conncection
[10:42] <sknroiws> :p
[10:42] <sulff> i have 8 mb / 256 kbits lool
[10:42] <sknroiws> Indeed it is
[10:42] <sknroiws> I only pay $50 a month for it to
[10:42] <Jesse1> ive got 256kb / 64
[10:42] <sknroiws> Thats sad Jesse1
[10:43] <sknroiws> Want to live at my house
[10:43] <sulff> :/
[10:43] <Jesse1> ..
[10:43] <Jesse1> the interent connections in austrlalia suck
[10:43] <Jesse1> and so does my spelling
[10:43] <sknroiws> Damn
[10:43] <orlando> hi, ubuntu keeps switching back to default 1600x1200 resolution on startup even though i checked 'Make Default' when i changed to 1024x768. how do I make ubuntu start in 1024x768
[10:44] <Yuki-San> doesn anyone here run a ununtu server, so if i run into trouble they can maybe help me ^^
[10:45] <Jesse1> thoreauputic, u have dial up?
[10:45] <thoreauputic> Jesse1: yes
[10:45] <Jesse1> thoreauputic, dang i would hate going back to dial up
[10:46] <Seveas> Yuki-San, lots of people run Ubuntu as some sort of server
[10:46] <Seveas> Yuki-San, like all *.ubuntu.com domains :)
[10:46] <Yuki-San> oh...
[10:46] <thoreauputic> it's enough for me most of the time - only the occasional big download is a problem
[10:46] <Yuki-San> but are they in here...
[10:47] <Seveas> Yuki-San, I use it as server too :)
[10:47] <sulff> does someone know the line command to create a repertorie? lol
[10:47] <Yuki-San> i's gonna be the kubuntu, cuz i can't stand gnome
[10:47] <Jesse1> thoreauputic, my 256 is pushing on what i need 3 computer all use the internet at once = :(
[10:47] <Seveas> Yuki-San, makes no difference for servers :)
[10:48] <thoreauputic> Yuki-San: you can run a server without any graphical desktop at all (in fact many do)
[10:48] <Jesse1> sulff, you hve to edit the source.list file
[10:49] <Jesse1> thoreauputic, ..... dang i find it hard enough runnign a server even with the cpanel
[10:49] <sulff> ok
[10:50] <nelsonrat> I can't get my Live CD to work
[10:51] <Jesse1> nelsonrat, did you change the boot routine?
[10:51] <nelsonrat> Yes
[10:52] <Biffi> hi all, I have a installation problem
[10:52] <Jesse1> nelsonrat, have you got the right live cd?
[10:52] <Biffi> clould someone help me?
[10:52] <thoreauputic> Biffi: just ask nd if someone can, they will help
[10:52] <topyli> sulff: you mean to create an local apt repository of your own stuff?
[10:52] <Jesse1> Biffi, there are many problems that can happen in the installation saying you have a problem is not enough
[10:53] <Biffi> bsdutils could not found i think
[10:53] <Yuki-San> at what point in the install should it ask me if i want to set it up as a server?
[10:53] <Jesse1> topyli, i tried doing that i could get it to work
[10:53] <nelsonrat> i downloaded from www.ubuntulinux.org
[10:54] <thoreauputic> Biffi: tell us at what point the install fails, and what the errors are
[10:54] <Biffi> point : installing basesystem
[10:54] <Jesse1> nelsonrat, there are 3 types of live cd's that you could have downloaded
[10:54] <topyli> sulff: see the apt howto, section 2.2, "how to use apt locally"
[10:54] <Biffi> error: it chraches on 6% bsdutils
[10:55] <thoreauputic> Biffi: is your CD OK ? Does the md5sum match? Did you burn it yourself?
[10:55] <Biffi> yes bern myself
[10:55] <Jesse1> make sure the cd has no scratchs and the download isnt corrupted
[10:56] <Jesse1> you could try ordering the cd that will make sure that there was no problem with hte download
[10:56] <thoreauputic> Biffi: if the ISO isn't corrupted, try burning it at a slower speed (say 4x)
[10:56] <nelsonrat> I downloaded The IntelX86 liveCD
[10:56] <Biffi> okay
[10:56] <Seveas> Yuki-San, if you want to run both the gui and some services, you should just use the standard install
[10:56] <Biffi> i will try
[10:56] <Biffi> thnx
[10:57] <Seveas> Yuki-San, if you want a machine without GUI, type server as boot option
[10:57] <Yuki-San> Seveas, i did
[10:57] <thoreauputic> Biffi: make sure the md5sum matches
[10:57] <Seveas> Yuki-San, then you'll just have to install the services you want :D
[10:57] <Biffi> okay
[10:57] <Yuki-San> i already installed it and i don't remember it asking me if i want to run it as a server...
[10:58] <Yuki-San> Seveas, or something similar
[10:58] <Seveas> Yuki-San, you are missing some clue here :)
[10:58] <Yuki-San> Seveas, t ejected the cd and is doing a bunch of stuff now
[10:58] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> why would an uninstalled program keep it's settings from the last install?
[10:58] <Seveas> There is no difference between a server machine and a client machine
[10:58] <Yuki-San> Seveas, eha?
[10:58] <Yuki-San> oh...
[10:58] <Corical> anyone know of something better than  magic draw ?
[10:58] <Seveas> The installed services make a machine a 'web server' or 'mail server
[10:59] <Seveas> etc..
[10:59] <Yuki-San> then why does the fedora install ask you if you want to use it as a server of workstation?
[10:59] <Seveas> Well, because fedora sucks :)
[10:59] <Yuki-San> i wnat it to be a web server
[10:59] <Yuki-San> i like fedora ... :/
[10:59] <Yuki-San> it's been good to me
[10:59] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: the packageing system respects the config you had: if you want to wipe the config use ' sudo apt-get remove --purge "
[10:59] <mindspin> Seveas that means when installing with server options, X etc will be installed too?
[10:59] <Seveas> Yuki-San, then you'll just have to aptitude install apache2 after the thing has setup the base systen
[11:00] <Seveas> mindspin, no, I was talking about the concept of what makes a computer a server...
[11:00] <Yuki-San> Seveas, eh? whats that?
[11:00] <Seveas> Yuki-San, the command 'aptitude install apache2' will install apache 2
[11:00] <Yuki-San> ok...
[11:00] <Seveas> just like 'aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4' installs php 4 :)
[11:00] <Yuki-San> is there a howto for this... .>.>;
[11:01] <mindspin> Yuki-San can you test your server locally or will it be public from the start?
[11:01] <Yuki-San>  i mean what do i do then?
[11:01] <mindspin> I would recommend to test it locally first
[11:01] <Yuki-San> public...
[11:01] <Yuki-San> ok
[11:01] <Yuki-San> how do i do all of this?
[11:01] <thoreauputic> Yuki-San: umm - running a server without doing any research beforehand is probably not a good move
[11:01] <Seveas> Then you read through the apache config and notice how wonderful the debian package system and the debian apache framework is :D
[11:01] <mindspin> plug a crossover cable to teh machine and another pc
[11:02] <mindspin> assuming you have no LAN at home
[11:02] <Yuki-San> thoreauputic, you are right, bt it's to late now
[11:02] <thoreauputic> Yuki-San: it's never too late to read documentation and howtos
[11:02] <Yuki-San> Seveas, it's pluged into a router, can i check with that?
[11:02] <Yuki-San> thoreauputic, link?
[11:03] <Yuki-San> plz...
[11:03] <mindspin> Yuki-San do you have a static IP?
[11:03] <Yuki-San> :D
[11:03] <Yuki-San> yes
[11:03] <mindspin> and the router is a blackbox one?
[11:03] <Yuki-San> not sure...
[11:03] <thoreauputic> Yuki-San: umm - google? What about searching the Ubuntu wiki? Visiting the apache home page?
[11:03] <mindspin> or another computer
[11:03] <Yuki-San> but kununtu just botted up
[11:04] <Yuki-San> booted*\
[11:10] <learn25> help!
[11:11] <learn25> my usb flash drive cannot be detected. this was automatically detected before. help pls.
[11:11] <jwark> good day to you all! :-)
[11:11] <learn25> my usb flash drive cannot be detected. this was automatically detected before. help pls.
[11:12] <learn25> i did'nt done anything.
[11:12] <learn25> maybe i was attacked by a virus???
[11:12] <learn25> maybe i was attacked by a virus???
[11:12] <learn25> my usb flash drive cannot be detected. this was automatically detected before. help pls.
[11:14] <Yuki-San> hey guys it won'y let me be root for some
[11:14] <Yuki-San> reason
[11:14] <Yuki-San> it says password incorrent, and it's the right password
[11:14] <Seveas> learn25: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[11:14] <Seveas> Yuki-San, what wants to be root?
[11:14] <mindspin> Yuki-San you have to use sudo
[11:14] <topyli> learn25: you don't have a virus, that's 99% certain :)
[11:14] <Yuki-San> is did su
[11:14] <thoreauputic> learn25: there are no viruses for linux in the wild :)
[11:14] <learn25> i wondering why my flash drive cannot be detected in my ubuntu now
[11:15] <learn25> i tried to boot under xp to check and it was detected
[11:15] <mindspin> Yuki-San which username did you give?
[11:15] <learn25> but now under ubuntu my flash drive is lost.
[11:15] <Yuki-San> oishii
[11:15] <thoreauputic> !rootsudo
[11:15] <ubotu> somebody said rootsudo was at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[11:15] <mindspin> thats your regular user
[11:16] <learn25> this was detected by ubuntu before
[11:16] <thoreauputic> Yuki-San: read that
[11:16] <learn25> this is strange.
[11:17] <mindspin> Yuki -san I would strongly recommend not going public with your webserver until you reall know what you do and had some heavy testing
[11:17] <mindspin> especially when it comes to security
[11:17] <mindspin> there are enough messed up windows machines outside
[11:17] <Seveas> :o)
[11:18] <thoreauputic> Yuki-San: I would suggest you do some basic reading about Ubuntu first, like the FAQ
[11:18] <zoor> Hi everyone. I'm kinda new with this whole linux thingy. I just wonder... how on earth I can have programs to start up as default when I turn on my computer. I mean for instance I have downloaded a program called gdeskcal which is a program that displays the callendar. Perfectly for me. But I'd like it to just be there without having to write gdeskcal in terminal. Because as soon as terminal is shutdown the program disappear
[11:18] <zoor> s. Hope you understand
[11:18] <thoreauputic> !faq
[11:18] <ubotu> [faq]  Frequently Asked Questions you can check it out from here ---> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[11:18] <mindspin> linux is not secutre without some basic knowledge
[11:18] <learn25> my usb flash drive cannot be detected now. maybe i have to re-install ubuntu again ;-(
[11:18] <Seveas> learn25, does dmesg say it detects it?
[11:19] <Seveas> zoor, sytem->preferences->sessions
[11:19] <Seveas> click the "startup programs" tab
[11:19] <Seveas> and add it
[11:19] <Seveas> If you run it from a terminal, add an & to the command
[11:19] <Seveas> then you can close the terminal
[11:20] <Seveas> and you can also run a program from the "run program" dialog <alt><f2>
[11:20] <Seveas> So lots of options there :D
[11:20] <zoor> Seveas, ahhhh... thank you. You made my day :)
[11:20] <DukGalNamu> anybody here got diablo 2 LOD working with wine?
[11:21] <DukGalNamu> ??
[11:22] <Wilow> Hello I can't get my freaking sound to work im about to explode with anger.  My system sounds work but when i trie kaffeine, amarok and mplayer there is no sound what so ever.  Please find it in your heart to help me please.
[11:22] <Wilow> try*
[11:23] <Seveas> mplayer: set ao=esd in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[11:23] <Wilow> im using gnome
[11:23] <DukGalNamu> what sound card do you have?
[11:23] <Seveas> kaffeine/amarok: educate them to use esd/esound
[11:23] <Wilow> i dont know sorry
[11:23] <Seveas> no idea how, I don't use the programs
[11:23] <DukGalNamu> do you plug your speakers into the back of your comp?
[11:23] <Seveas> DukGalNamu, please read
[11:23] <Seveas> his sytem sounds work
[11:24] <DukGalNamu> well....
[11:24] <Seveas> so the other things simply don't use esd :)
[11:24] <thoreauputic> Wilow: fro amarok I suggest you install amarok-xine and change the engine for amarok to xine
[11:24] <DukGalNamu> reinstall the programs... or compile them yourself
[11:24] <Wilow> mplayer: set ao=esd in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf ? how am i suppose to use this? i tried mplayer (SONG) set ao=esd in /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[11:25] <black-whisp> Seveas: i've added the wine Repositories as the wine guide says but when i use  the  command apt-get update it says ignored to the wine Repositories??? can you give me any help?
[11:25] <Wilow> my speakers are desktop speakers plugged into system unit
[11:25] <Seveas> Wilow, type this in the terminal: sudo gedit /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[11:25] <Seveas> that opens a file, search for a line that starts with ao
[11:25] <Seveas> change that line to ao=esd
[11:25] <Wilow> there is nothing in there
[11:25] <Seveas> save the file
[11:25] <Wilow> its a black file
[11:25] <Seveas> and done
[11:25] <Wilow> blank
[11:26] <DukGalNamu> make sure you spelled it right
[11:26] <Seveas> please make sure you did not make a typo
[11:26] <Seveas> because the file should be there :)
[11:26] <Wilow> sudo gedit /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
[11:26] <thoreauputic> Wilow: have you installed mplayer??
[11:27] <DukGalNamu> try reinstalling mplayer in either case
[11:27] <DukGalNamu> apt-get install mplayer
[11:27] <Wilow> yeah but i installed it to opt or something if followed a guide
[11:27] <DukGalNamu> wit sudo in front
[11:27] <Seveas> DukGalNamu, that's nonsense :)
[11:27] <Seveas> Wilow, ARGH!
[11:27] <Seveas> you should not compile it manually...
[11:28] <Seveas> it's available from the repositories...
[11:28] <Seveas> Which guide did you follow?
[11:28] <DukGalNamu> Seveas: what do you mean, thats what i am known for!! :P
[11:28] <Seveas> Because the author of that guide needs some serious spanking...
[11:28] <Wilow> it was called the unofficial ubuntu guide or something
[11:28] <Seveas> Wilow, ubuntuguide.org is crap
[11:28] <DukGalNamu> and if its a women, then it'll be me doing the spanking
[11:28] <Wilow> ffs i followed it letter for letter
[11:28] <mindspin> Ok, I need to compile a program by myself any problems with this? are there differences to compiling something on debian?
[11:28] <Seveas> And this proves it even more :)
[11:29] <Seveas> mindspin, no
[11:29] <Seveas> Wilow, enable multiverse and install mplayer with synaptic
[11:29] <Seveas> wilow: Adding Repositories: http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:29] <Wilow> how how how
[11:29] <Seveas> wilow: For a ready-to-use sources.list with all official Ubuntu repositories, go to paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:29] <seifu> hey Seveas, saw you post some (tons) of helpful hints earlier, re: wifi, etc... I'm having some weird connection issues, wondering if u have the time to help....
[11:29] <DukGalNamu> mindspin: depends what you are compiling, but it should be about the same
[11:29] <Seveas> read the first url, use the second...
[11:29] <Wilow> i think i have already added repositories
[11:29] <Seveas> seifu, just ask, there are other people in here too
[11:29] <seifu> truth
[11:29] <Wilow> is that when you uncomment code in a file using gedit?
[11:29] <Seveas> Wilow, ah from the ubuntuguide right?
[11:30] <Wilow> yeah
[11:30] <DukGalNamu> you know synaptic is a little buggy....
[11:30] <Seveas> bad idea
[11:30] <Seveas> Wilow, sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:30] <seifu> basically... using the linksys (broadcom 4306) card, i've configured and installed ndiswrapper, wpa_supplicant, etc
[11:30] <Seveas> remove *all* content
[11:30] <DukGalNamu> it suddenly closed on me for no apperent reason
[11:30] <Seveas> and put in the sources listed at paste.ubuntulinux.nl/38
[11:30] <Wilow> Seveas: done then?
[11:30] <seifu> card's recognized, seen by system, even sees my wlan, and other surrounding ones, but the connections not stable
[11:31] <DukGalNamu> seifu: sounds like its the card
[11:31] <Seveas> seifu, does wpa_cli give you hints on what goes wrong?
[11:31] <DukGalNamu> seifu: try to up the power output of the base station
[11:31] <black-whisp> hmm. i have a problem.. when i try to install software of i386 architecture it gives my an error and says it doesnt match my system amd64.. is it possible to install i386 software in a 64bit system???
[11:31] <Wilow> Seveas: delete it all then paste just aht in?
[11:31] <Seveas> is it the association or just the network
[11:31] <Seveas> Wilow, yes
[11:31] <Wilow> done
[11:31] <seifu> DukalNamu... card work[ed]  fine under XP, base station output is already at max
[11:31] <Seveas> black-whisp, only if you make a 32bit chroot
[11:32] <Seveas> black-whisp, there are howto's for that on the wiki
[11:32] <black-whisp> Seveas: what does the chroot thing mean?
[11:32] <seifu> Seveas: i think it's the association... i'm using an airport extreme/ airport express WDS network
[11:32] <DukGalNamu> seifu: then i have a feelling i am going to be in your position in a matter of weeks
[11:32] <Wilow> Seveas: awaiting futhur instructions
[11:32] <Wilow> er
[11:32] <Seveas> Wilow, run sudo apt-get update
[11:33] <Seveas> (as soon as you saved & closed the file)
[11:33] <DukGalNamu> then run sudo apt-get install mplayer
[11:33] <Wilow> Seveas: done hurry please i gtg soon and i want to get this finished thans
[11:34] <Seveas> do what DukGalNamu said :)
[11:34] <seifu> yeah, DukGalNamu, i'm not a newbie, so definitely know i've followed the guides, stuff works nicely... my network currently hosts about 6 other machines/ net devices... stuff's configured and working nice, just ubuntu that's not paying ball
[11:34] <DukGalNamu> :yeah i did something right!!1
[11:34] <Seveas> DukGalNamu, almost ;
[11:34] <Seveas> ;)
[11:34] <DukGalNamu> heh
[11:34] <DukGalNamu> :P
[11:34] <Seveas> sudo apt-get install mplayer-custom (this might work better)
[11:35] <Wilow> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:35] <Wilow>   mplayer-custom: Depends: libavcodec2 but it is not installable
[11:35] <Wilow> E: Broken packages
[11:35] <DukGalNamu> ummmm
[11:35] <Wilow> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[11:35] <Wilow> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[11:35] <Wilow> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[11:35] <Wilow> or been moved out of Incoming.
[11:35] <seifu> DukalNamu... you're going to be using the same card also?
[11:35] <DukGalNamu> seifu: probably not
[11:35] <DukGalNamu> seifu: but i have enough trouble networking as it is
[11:36] <Seveas> Wilow, one sec..
[11:36] <DukGalNamu> seifu: have you installed the latest drivers and firmware?
[11:36] <Wilow> k
[11:36] <seifu> overall, the network in Ubuntu is flawless, i have another server running Hoary, with two different cards, works fine... it's just the wireless...
[11:37] <Wilow> Ubuntu runs smooth but the sound issue is really starting to pizz me off since I badly want to listen to my songs.
[11:37] <DukGalNamu> have you tried installing xmms?
[11:37] <seifu> DukalNamu... yah, all drivers...
[11:37] <Wilow> i dont care what player i use
[11:37] <Seveas> wilow, type this: wget ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[11:37] <Wilow> mplayer or amarok i just want frizzing sound
[11:37] <Seveas> Wilow, totem has sound ;)
[11:37] <DukGalNamu> try apt-get install xmms
[11:38] <DukGalNamu> sudo apt-get install xmms
[11:38] <Wilow> last line : : : : :: :: : w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb: Permission denied
[11:39] <Wilow> hold on ill try using sudo on wget
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> no
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> don't
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> that sounds bad
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> crap its late
[11:39] <thoreauputic> Wilow: no
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> Wilow: try again tomorrow
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> Wilow: or thoreauputic will help
[11:39] <DukGalNamu> :P
[11:40] <DukGalNamu> bye
[11:40] <thoreauputic> Wilow: that command works perfectly here: try copy-pasting it to a terminal
[11:40] <Wilow> ok i just got xmms press the play button.  the play button is still in pushed in button positiosn (visually) and nothing is happening
[11:40] <Wilow> i did
[11:40] <thoreauputic> Wilow: in xmms prefs, change the output plugin to esound
[11:40] <Wilow> i copy paste all commands
[11:41] <Wilow> omg thoreauputic it worked
[11:42] <Wilow> i have frizzing sound!
[11:42] <thoreauputic> :)
[11:43] <Wilow> it was on OSS Driver 1.2.10 [libOSS.so]  and i changed it to es output plugin 1.2.10 [libesdout.so] 
[11:43] <thoreauputic> yup
[11:43] <Wilow> can you change it in mplayer?
[11:43] <Wilow> change it to esoutput plugin?
[11:44] <Biffi> hi it's me agian :)
[11:44] <thoreauputic> Wilow: you can, but I strongly suggest you get the Ubuntu mplayer as Seveas said
[11:44] <Biffi> i've done the checksum on my ubuntu cd ....
[11:44] <Biffi> and it contains 3errors
[11:44] <Wilow> yeah but we just got half way through it and something happened?
[11:44] <Biffi> have I to download the whole cd again?
[11:44] <thoreauputic> Biffi: well, yes I guess you do
[11:44] <Biffi> :s
[11:45] <thoreauputic> Wilow: did you do a ` sudo apt-get update ` with your new sources.list in place?
[11:45] <Wilow> yes
[11:46] <thoreauputic> Wilow: no errors on the update?
[11:47] <Wilow> wget ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb seems to be dling now
[11:47] <Wilow> hwo big is it?
[11:48] <thoreauputic> Wilow: that deb will get you a whole set of windows codecs, which should allow you to play most formats
[11:48] <thoreauputic> wget should tell you ETA etc
[11:48] <Wilow> DATE (133.27 KB/s) - `w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb' saved [13,228,654
[11:48] <Wilow> now what?
[11:49] <Wilow> i still havent installed mplayer just the windows codecs?
[11:49] <Wilow> or am i using my current mplayer ver
[11:49] <thoreauputic> Wilow: you should have a deb in that directory then
[11:49] <thoreauputic> fro those codecs
[11:49] <thoreauputic> *for
[11:49] <Wilow> w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[11:49] <Wilow> \
[11:49] <thoreauputic> sudo dpkg -i  w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[11:49] <Wilow> i remember putting some codecs a while back on that unofficial site
[11:50] <Wilow> in a certain folder for mplayer
[11:50] <Whistler> when i start ubuntu i get this msg http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/177
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> Wilow: this is the same as doing that
[11:50] <Wilow> did it thor
[11:50] <HrdwrBoB> er
[11:51] <Whistler> anybody can help me?
[11:51] <HrdwrBoB> Whistler: is this a fresh install?
[11:51] <Wilow> thoreauputic: ready
[11:51] <Whistler> HrdwrBoB nope
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> did it work before?
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> if so, undo what you did :)
[11:52] <Whistler> HrdwrBoB yes but yesterday i got updates
[11:52] <thoreauputic> Wilow: have you tried installing mpayer again? BTW I suggest trying totem-xine instead
[11:52] <HrdwrBoB> Whistler: are you using breezy?
[11:53] <Whistler> nope
[11:53] <thoreauputic> Wilow: I suggest you try ` sudo apt-get install totem-xine ` (don't worry if it wants to uninstall ubuntu-desktop and totem-gstreamer)
[11:55] <mindspin> does it make sense to install from debian mirror via apt-get instead of compiling a program by yourself ->apt-pinning
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> Whistler: try removing option
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> Xkbrules "xfree86"
[11:55] <HrdwrBoB> from your config if you have it
[11:55] <mindspin> just again, sorry maybe seveas can tell..
[11:56] <thoreauputic> mindspin: which program? Using debian sources is generally not a good move...
[11:56] <mindspin> does it make sense to install from debian mirror via apt-get instead of compiling a program by yourself ->apt-pinning
[11:56] <mindspin> i have to upgrade fwbuilder
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> mindspin: depends on how you want to manage your system
[11:56] <mindspin> and I need some qt stuff to be installed
[11:56] <HrdwrBoB> apt-pinning will make it easier to track/upgrade/remove
[11:56] <Seveas> mindspin, almost all packages from debian are in Ubuntu too
[11:56] <Seveas> if you want to install from a debian mirror use apt-get -b source $packagename
[11:57] <mindspin> but not the version of fwbuilder i used
[11:57] <Seveas> then, do the apt-get source trick :)
[11:57] <mindspin> and i have to re-read aproject file
[11:57] <Seveas> oh and apt-get build-dep fwbuilder might be a good trick too ;)
[11:57] <mindspin> which cannot be opened by the ubuntu fwbuilder
[11:59] <Seveas> Aramil, please turn that off in here...
[11:59] <Seveas> araw1-, please turn that off in here...
[12:03] <josef> #linuxger
[12:06] <thoreauputic> Wilow: I assume by your silence that you have sorted out your problems?
[12:10] <mushroom> Hello World!!
[12:15] <pmjdebruijn> lo all
[12:15] <Seveas> hello mushroom :)
[12:15] <yor> Gnome does not load automatically anymore. I have to type 'startx' after logging in. How can I fix this?
[12:15] <Seveas> hi pmjdebruijn
[12:15] <Seveas> yor, sudo update-rc.d gdm defaults
[12:16] <yor> thank you ;)
[12:16] <pmjdebruijn> my dutch language support won't work... when I login I get something like locale NL-nl UTF-8 doesn't exist, using default...
[12:16] <Whistler> is it posible to have flash on ubuntu?
[12:16] <keikoz> yes
[12:16] <keikoz> i just dont remember how :p
[12:17] <Whistler> hmm.
[12:17] <Whistler> cossover office maybe?
[12:17] <zerokills> i tried to log on to my web email using Galeon, and its giving me an error that i need to install PSM (personal security manager).. anyone know how to install that?
[12:17] <keikoz> flashplayer-mozilla
[12:17] <keikoz> in synaptic
[12:17] <Seveas> pmjdebruijn, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[12:18] <Bader> hi
[12:18] <Seveas> Whistler, only on i386, not on PPC or AMD64
[12:18] <Seveas> zerokarmaleft, install mozilla-psm
[12:18] <Bader> I would ask how many time took cds by ship it come ? It's an important issue for us.
[12:18] <Seveas> zerokills, install mozilla-psm
[12:18] <zerokills> thanks seveas
[12:18] <Seveas> Bader, several weeks
[12:19] <Bader> Seveas: less than one month ?
[12:19] <Seveas> Bader, usually not
[12:19] <iphitus> i want to install some updated versions of a handfull of packages, firstly would it be safe to install them from debian unstable? or breezy? in particular, inkscape
[12:19] <Bader> Seveas: and for a group somewhere in a little town in France ?
[12:19] <Seveas> But if you have a good reason to want it within a month, ask Mako if he can speed up your request.
[12:20] <Seveas> iphitus, rather go for debian unstable if the package uses C++
[12:20] <iphitus> ok
[12:20] <Bader> It's because we organize what we call here a "colonie de vacances" with computer lessons, so Ubuntu will be distributed to the participants (teenagers).
[12:20] <iphitus> how abouts would I go about getting that? I only want inkscape, and maybe a few others along the track for now
[12:20] <iphitus> udpated liferea too
[12:20] <Bader> and my cd burner is broken :(
[12:21] <Seveas> Bader, that's a good reason to request a speedup, you should drop mako a line
[12:21] <Bader> oki
[12:21] <Bader> thank you
[12:21] <Seveas> yw
[12:24] <zerokills> morning all btw
[12:25] <Seveas> mornin'
[12:25] <m0r0n> device is busy when attempting to umount a directory. Why does the gam_server use this directory and how is it possible to umount it?
[12:25] <Seveas> m0r0n, kill gam_server and you can umount it
[12:25] <m0r0n> ok
[12:26] <anatole> anyone knows how can i decompress *.ace files?
[12:26] <Seveas> unace
[12:27] <Seveas> package unace ;)
[12:27] <anatole> thank you :)
[12:27] <m0r0n> Seveas, it's still busy after killing the gam_server and lsof -l doesnt print any output
[12:28] <anatole> File compressed with unknown method. Decompression not possible. >_<
[12:28] <Seveas> :|
[12:28] <anatole> what makes people to compress in ace
[12:28] <Seveas> lack of IQ
[12:29] <anatole> ;)
[12:29] <Seveas> Hi Lunahood
[12:29] <Lunahood> hi seveas :)
[12:29] <holycow> *hmmm*
[12:30] <holycow> anyone having problems installing mplayer on their system?
[12:30] <holycow> marillat seems to have built their binaries with newer libraries than available in ubuntu?
[12:30] <rob^> holycow, no.
[12:30] <rob^> dont use marillat
[12:30] <holycow> really?
[12:30] <holycow> alternatives?
[12:30] <zerokills> holycow, i think i gave up on installing mplayer because i couldnt get it to work
[12:30] <Vjaz> holycow, xine?
[12:31] <holycow> my libdvdcss is having trouble decoding one dvd
[12:31] <Vjaz> holycow, heh, I had a computer I called holycow once
[12:31] <holycow> :)
[12:31] <Vjaz> (I mean I had it once... it was called holycow on several occasions)
[12:31] <Seveas> muha :)
[12:31] <holycow> i'm pretty sure its libdvdcss thats having the problem but i'd like to install mplayer just to check
[12:31] <Seveas> holycow, mplayer is in ubuntu multiverse
[12:31] <rob^> yes, holycow have you tried xine?
[12:31] <holycow> Seveas, it refuses to install
[12:31] <holycow> rob^, thats all i run
[12:32] <holycow> rob^, problems decoding 1 newish dvd
[12:33] <lena> tt
[12:33] <holycow> oh weird, Seveas okay you are correct
[12:34] <holycow> i didn't clue into the fact marillat would interfere with the dependency resolution
[12:34] <holycow> i should of known
[12:34] <rob^> holycow, it should work in totem also
[12:34] <holycow> rob^, your not reading what i'm writing
[12:34] <holycow> :)
[12:35] <rob^> I get an error about decode_audio when using mplayer
[12:35] <holycow> libdvdcss is not decoding certain vob's properly
[12:35] <holycow> i.e. i cant even browse the file system of the dvd
[12:35] <holycow> mk?
[12:35] <holycow> and i use xine
[12:35] <zerokills> just for fun i tried to install mplayer just now, and it gave me 5 options to choose from, which would be best for my AMD Athlon 1700+?
[12:35] <holycow> i.e. totem = xine as in i deinstalled totem-gstreamer and installed totem-xine :)
[12:35] <holycow> and w32codecs, yada yada
[12:35] <holycow> :)
[12:35] <holycow> last test is mplayer because that bitch plays anything
[12:36] <lena> there is some body speak french???
[12:36] <zerokills> have you tried VLC?
[12:36] <holycow> if it can't read the dvd i'm hooped until the next libdvdcss publishing
[12:36] <holycow> oh right vlc no :)
[12:36] <holycow> infact good time to try
[12:36] <holycow> i did try ogle for the first time tho :)
[12:36] <rob^> holycow, have you tiied libdvdcss2?
[12:36] <zerokills> VLC is the answer to all my problems
[12:36] <rob^> tried..
[12:36] <zerokills> ;)
[12:36] <holycow> rob^, oh right, thats the one i installed, *nod*
[12:37] <holycow> rob^, hehe i know i know :) <-- hense the smileys
[12:37] <holycow> my thanks
[12:37] <sknroiws> How long does it take to get the cds I ordered?
[12:37] <zerokills> too long
[12:37] <rob^> hehe yeah
[12:38] <sknroiws> Does anyone know?
[12:38] <sknroiws> The amount of days
[12:38] <rob^> sknroiws, it took about a month or more before they arrived here in aus
[12:38] <whoops> I forgot how to turn on dma, what is the command hdparm -d1?
[12:38] <sknroiws> Well im in the US
[12:39] <zerokills> sknroiws, its been about 2 weeks since i ordered mine and they still havent arrived
[12:39] <rob^> whoops, hdpram -d1 (device)
[12:39] <zerokills> im in the US as well
[12:39] <rob^> whoops, eg hdpram -d1 /dev/hdc
[12:40] <anatole> hah, unace worked with a newer version
[12:40] <anatole> the pkg should be updated...
[12:41] <anatole> it's version 1.2 while the latest is 2.2
[12:44] <_linuxAS_> hi
[12:44] <whoops> rob^, thanks - later
[12:44] <rob^> np
[12:45] <holycow> rob^, heh i just discovered my dvd didn't havd dma on either
[12:45] <holycow> i wonder why this isn't on by default
[12:46] <rob^> compatibility
[12:46] <rob^> mainly with older devices
[12:46] <SpOoki> hello
[12:46] <SpOoki> can u help me ?
[12:47] <rob^> just ask :)
[12:47] <SpOoki> thanx hmm
[12:47] <holycow> ah!
[12:47] <SpOoki> i forgot my root pass
[12:47] <holycow> neat, didn't know
[12:47] <shawarma> SpOoki: That's because you probably don't have one.
[12:47] <rob^> SpOoki, did you enable the root account?
[12:47] <SpOoki> i don't know
[12:48] <rob^> then you dont have
[12:48] <rob^> one
[12:48] <shawarma> SpOoki: Most likely you don't need it. What are you trying to do?
[12:48] <SpOoki> ok :)
[12:48] <rob^> ubuntu uses sudo instead, just enter your normal password when promped
[12:48] <SpOoki> i am going to ubuntu now
[12:48] <SpOoki> ttyl
[12:49] <SpOoki> and thanx a lot
[12:49] <rob^> np
[12:49] <shawarma> SpOoki: No problem.
[12:49] <shawarma> SpOoki: Cheers.
[12:50] <rob^> coffee time
[12:50] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> anyone know how to make streamtuner the default app for inet radio?
[12:52] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: streamtuner isn't really an app for inet radio in itself: it has to use xmms or beep or some other player for the actual playing...
[12:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok how do i make it act like the default player?
[12:53] <thoreauputic> ?
[12:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> because i wanna record some music
[12:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i don't know how to snag the stream
[12:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that kaffiene player won't let me >.<
[12:53] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: why bother? You can add bookmarks to it for your favourite streams anyway
[12:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm ok but kaffine get into it before i can do anything >.<
[12:55] <thoreauputic> if it's an m3u just download the file and look at the URL in an editor (same for pls files I think)
[12:55] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: right click, save as ?
[12:55] <thoreauputic> some streams you can't record because they are "protected"
[12:55] <shawarma> thoreauputic: I don't know if you ever listen to the radio, but they play different songs at different times. If you tune in to the same radio station at two different times, chances are that they'll be playing somehting else the second time around. :-D
[12:56] <conchi> hello
[12:56] <SpOoki> hello
[12:56] <thoreauputic> shawarma: erm...and your point is ?
[12:56] <SpOoki> i need help to install xmms
[12:56] <shawarma> thoreauputic: *COUGH* bullshit *COUGH* :-) If it can be played back, it can be recorded.
[12:56] <conchi> hablais spanish
[12:56] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have xmms but it dosen't pick up the stream
[12:56] <rommer> has anyone here successfully installed php5?
[12:56] <shawarma> thoreauputic: That saving a bookmark is no substitute for recording stuff.
[12:56] <Seveas> SpOoki, sudo aptitude install xmms
[12:57] <thoreauputic> shawarma: OK - but some stations make it more difficult
[12:57] <Seveas> rommer, look at the wiki
[12:57] <Seveas> there are instructions on there
[12:57] <rommer> i have and it still doesnt work
[12:57] <Seveas> ah k
[12:57] <conchi> i have problem to wirelles
[12:57] <thoreauputic> shawarma: I think you totally misunderstood what I meant - but be happy in your wisdom
[12:57] <shawarma> thoreauputic: mplayer has a -dumpstream option that just dumps the raw stream. It also has a dumpaudio, that dumps the sound as a wave file. If everything else fails, esdmon can do the trick.
[12:57] <conchi> help me?
[12:58] <Seveas> conchi, just state the problem
[12:58] <rommer> Seveas: it comes up with: Apache/2.0.53 (Ubuntu) PHP/4.3.10-10ubuntu4 PHP/5.0.4 Server at server Port 80: if the page is not there, and it doesn't load anything when trying to load a php page, but html pages work
[12:58] <shawarma> thoreauputic: Sorry then. I just thought me meant that there was no point in recording anything as he could just bookmark the stream. That didn't make much sense to me.
[12:58] <shawarma> thoreauputic: Er... "I thought YOU meant"...
[12:58] <SpOoki> after sudo aptitude install xmms what should i do next ?
[12:58] <thoreauputic> shawarma: no, that's not what I meant
[12:59] <Seveas> rommer, have you edited the apache config to actually load the modules?
[12:59] <Seveas> and *remove* the php4 module from the config
[12:59] <shawarma> thoreauputic: Ok. Sorry if I seemed arrogant. English is not my native language. Sometimes it's hard for me to convey the twinkle in my eye, when I say stuff.
[12:59] <conchi> I have installed the card wirelles ovislink wl-8000pci with nediswrapper and it says to me that the hardware this detected and ready to be used and does not take Internet
[12:59] <thoreauputic> shawarma: we were discussing using streamtuner as a defult player: i was just saying the *actual* player is whatever you chose in the streamtuner prefs
[01:00] <thoreauputic> shawarma: OK no worries :)
[01:00] <shawarma> thoreauputic: Oh! Yeah, that makes more sense. :-)
[01:00] <rommer> Seveas: thsi is the only line in httpd.conf -> LoadModule php5_module        /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so
[01:02] <conchi> help me please
[01:04] <shawarma> Wow. Talk about being impatient.
[01:04] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thoreauputic how to change that stupid xmms to amaorK in streamtuner?
[01:05] <conchi> hello
[01:05] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you edit the line in the preferences to substitute your player - I haven't tried amarok (I use beep here) but I guess it's possible
[01:05] <Seveas> conchi, what is the error you get..?
[01:05] <conchi> problem to wirelles
[01:06] <Seveas> conchi, i've seen that
[01:06] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: you might need to look at the commandline options for amarok I guess
[01:06] <Seveas> can you be a bit more specific :)
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shit
[01:06] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how well does beep work?
[01:06] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it's basically a prettied up xmms, frankly
[01:07] <thoreauputic> works fine for me...
[01:07] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[01:07] <shawarma> conchi: Can you give more details, please?
[01:07] <conchi> seveas I have installed ndiswrapper with drivers of Windows, and she says despues once to me put that she recognizes the card and this list to me to be used, I have put I have loaded I modulate and in the grafico surroundings she recognizes the card to me but she does not connect to Internet
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can you give me the setting so i can change it in my streamtuner?
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i kinda don't understans %xmms% lol
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or xmms q% even
[01:08] <thoreauputic> ChurcH_of_FoamY: I suggest you type " amarok --help" and look at the options - there are quite a few
[01:08] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[01:08] <shawarma> conchi: Which card is it?
[01:08] <Seveas> hmm, conchi I guess english is not your native language... Have you run the following commands:
[01:09] <Seveas> ndiswrapper -m
[01:09] <thoreauputic> I think amarok -p will play a plylist
[01:09] <conchi> you pardon my language use google to translate the words because I am Spanish
[01:09] <Seveas> ndiswrapper -i DRIVER
[01:09] <thoreauputic> *playlist
[01:09] <Seveas> conchi, maybe it is better for you to go to #ubuntu-es, there are more spanish people there :)
[01:10] <conchi> ok
[01:10] <conchi> thank yoou
[01:10] <berkes> any apache server gurus in here, maybe? I am trying to get mod_pam working, but I am stuck. Have been hopping various channeels already, without luck
[01:11] <Seveas> berkes, i don't know mod_pam, but I know apache fairle well, what's the problem?
[01:12] <berkes> Seveas: I try to get authentication (for DAV) over mod_pam, instead of the default mod_auth with text-files
[01:12] <berkes> the text-file aauthentication works as expected but mod pam does not authenticate as it should
[01:13] <james__> i have just downloaded the latest opera deb and installed it using dpkg. can anyone tell me how I get opera to show up in my internet menu?
[01:13] <Seveas> berkes, sorry, that goes beyond my knowledge already :(
[01:14] <berkes> Seveas: np :)
[01:14] <berkes> even google has no anwsers it seems :(
[01:14] <Seveas> and httpd.apache.org?
[01:14] <shawarma> berkes: I've seen that problem.
[01:14] <shawarma> berkes: You're probably using a shadow password database, right?
[01:15] <berkes> shawarma: could be, how do I know?
[01:15] <shawarma> berkes: If you don't know, then you're using a shadow database. :-)
[01:15] <berkes> hehe
[01:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> how does noatun work good?
[01:15] <shawarma> berkes: The trick is that only root can authenticate users in that case.
[01:16] <berkes> shawarma: off course. And apache cannot
[01:16] <Seveas> adduser www-data shadow looks like a bad idea :)
[01:16] <shawarma> berkes: The workaround I usually use is setup an LDAP database with all the users and their (encrypted) passwords in it.
[01:16] <shawarma> berkes: And then I authenticate against the LDAP server instead.
[01:16] <berkes> shawarma: hmm, yea.
[01:16] <berkes> LDAP is for the next stage in our project, though :(
[01:17] <berkes> so I thnik Ill just leave it to authenticate agains the plaintext default apache authentication
[01:17] <Seveas> berkes, if you don't mind that everyone can read the encrypted passwords, you can try adduser www-data shadow
[01:17] <erb> hi
[01:17] <berkes> thanks a lot for your time shawarma and Seveas
[01:18] <anouar> paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[01:18] <shawarma> berkes: Oh, yeah, what Seveas says might be a good idea. If this is a public system, it's not a very good idea, though.
[01:18] <berkes> Seveas: hmm. I think i should not open up that security hole.
[01:18] <shawarma> erb: hi
[01:19] <berkes> its not very public, but I have been beaten to death recently.somehow every h@x0r on earth tried to get into that box last month :)
[01:19] <Seveas> berkes, I too think you shouldn't :)
[01:19] <Seveas> ouch :|
[01:19] <rob^> is gnomecal seg faulting for anyone else?
[01:19] <black_Nightmare> any of you know if its possible for ubuntu to format a hd to fat32 from a livecd?
[01:20] <berkes> yea, portsniffers and ssh worms ate nearly 50% of my CPU for two weeks long :)
[01:20] <Seveas> black_Nightmare, might be possible, you can try mkfs.vfat or mkfs.fat32
[01:20] <pmjdebruijn> black_Nightmare,  'mkfs -t vfat /dev/hda1'
[01:20] <black_Nightmare> hm ok..here is another question....
[01:21] <rob^> berkes, did you have those ports set to drop packets?
[01:21] <Mwnci> what is the minimum spec for ubuntu?   like in debian you can use a sliding scale to move your system from preformance to appearance. is that availabile in ubuntu?
[01:21] <black_Nightmare> is the ubuntu format command still the same 'retarded' 32gb limit on fat32 or not really?
[01:21] <berkes> rob^: hell, i was just installing everything :)
[01:21] <black_Nightmare> mwnci..mind you...can't please everyone in everything :p .. and beside not all distro are the same :-)
[01:21] <rob^> black_Nightmare, why do you want fat32?
[01:21] <pmjdebruijn> black_Nightmare, depends... probably... it's just not sane to have fat32 > 32gb
[01:21] <berkes> sometimes i could hardly log in, to tweak teh iptables
[01:22] <pmjdebruijn> rob^, probably interoperability, it's the only fs both linux and windows can write
[01:22] <black_Nightmare> pmjdeb...what if I just wanted to fill a 40gb hd as a single fat32 partition?
[01:22] <anouar> what is a good mp3 decoder for ubuntu totem player
[01:22] <Mwnci> black_Nightmare, what do you mean? i was complaining I was simply asking if it was possible
[01:22] <rob^> berkes, why not just pull the plug (internet connection that is)
[01:22] <berkes> because then our site would go offline :)
[01:22] <rob^> pmjdebruijn, thats what I thought
[01:22] <pmjdebruijn> anouar, apt-get install gstreamer-mad
[01:22] <black_Nightmare> mwnci..sorry I typed that bad..I was just commenting that you might not be able to find your requested feature on this distro I think
[01:22] <berkes> but its calmer now.
[01:22] <rob^> berkes, if you couldnt get onto it anyway..
[01:22] <anouar> hey de bruin!!
[01:23] <anouar> lol thnx
[01:23] <Seveas> gstreamer0.8-mad
[01:23] <anouar> what is it now
[01:23] <holycow> god, i'm looking through my cd rack for some free soft i once got with a cd player ...
[01:23] <anouar> 0.8 or
[01:23] <Mwnci> i use ubuntu on my laptop happily. how ever my girlfriend uses a much lower spec laptop that crashes from time to time since i took debian off and put unbuntu on. i was just wondering if I could either reduce the bells for preformance and check the laptop was within the minimum spec of ubuntu
[01:24] <holycow> ... and checking out all these so called 'commercial software titles aimed at satisfying the needs through the capitalist system' ....
[01:24] <Seveas> Mwnci, on a lower spec machine, try XFCE instead of Gnome
[01:24] <holycow> ... and all i see is nothing but lies and deciet
[01:24] <black_Nightmare> pmjdeb ... it kinda seem senseless to having to do 32+8gb on a single used hd so....after thinking about it for a while and how fdisk is ratherly limited I decided to try ask here especially regarding the livecd too
[01:24] <holycow> everything is designed to lie and decieve the user into buying yet another piece of crap good for nothing useless crap for 49.95
[01:24] <holycow> and i'm a red blooded capitalist
[01:25] <holycow> :)
[01:25] <holycow> its a little disconcerting to see things from this perspective
[01:25] <Mwnci> Seveas, im using kde. its the only window manager she likes
[01:25] <rob^> ?
[01:25] <pmjdebruijn> black_Nightmare, you'll need to just try... i think the design limit for fat32 is 128GB, so you should be allright, though I'm not really sure
[01:25] <Seveas> Mwnci, hmm, KDE on a low spec machine is ASKING for trouble
[01:26] <black_Nightmare> pmjdeb..hm ok thanks anyhow
[01:26] <topyli> holycow: heh. a "piece of crap good for noting useless crap" must be a pretty lousy piece of code
[01:26] <zerokills> Mwnci, i actually prefer xfce over KDE, just tell her to give it a shot
[01:26] <rob^> Seveas, I'm gonna run kubuntu on a p133 for testing purposes later
[01:26] <pmjdebruijn> Mwnci, try XFCE is really nice on low spec...
[01:26] <holycow> topyli, its not just the software ... its how the crap is packaged
[01:26] <Mwnci> ill have  a look. is it on apt?
[01:26] <holycow> nothing is in a clean standalone installer
[01:26] <Seveas> rob^, good luck :)
[01:26] <rob^> hehe thanks
[01:26] <pmjdebruijn> rob^, good luck, you can grow a beard when you're at it :)
[01:26] <jino> hi all
[01:26] <holycow> everything has its own installer and dumps crap everywhere first
[01:26] <Seveas> Mwnci, aptitude install xfce4
[01:27] <holycow> second none of it really installs one app
[01:27] <jino> plz temme how to install httpd service.
[01:27] <holycow> it installs usually other stuff and tries to phone home
[01:27] <brendan_> can anyone tell me how to look at my other hard drive?
[01:27] <rob^> jino, if you cant work it out you dont want to know
[01:27] <black_Nightmare> pmjdeb...just curious but is there a common linux partition type for hmm..say single 120gb hds?
[01:27] <holycow> then makes you type in an activation code FOR SOFTWARE I BOUGHT WITH A CD BURNER
[01:27] <holycow> and on and on
[01:27] <Seveas> brendan_, put on your glasses and open your PC :)
[01:27] <holycow> i never haveto go through this crap on linux
[01:27] <brendan_> :P
[01:27] <topyli> holycow: at least you get another pretty icon in the windows notification area, next to the other 40 that are already there
[01:27] <Seveas> brendan_, is the other drive a windows drive (ie: fat32 or ntfs)
[01:27] <brendan_> I mean, from like the linux and open the hard drive from the terminal?
[01:27] <black_Nightmare> holy..thats called 'bundle' .. meaning its packed in one box but still treated seperately
[01:28] <JanC> jino : install "apache2"with synaptic ?
[01:28] <jino> rob^, the thing is...i wanna do cgi programming..
[01:28] <pmjdebruijn> I'm getting this when selecting Dutch at the GDM Language thingy, then when I logon: 'Language nl_NL.UTF-8 does not exist, using System default"
[01:28] <brendan_> ya, this hard drive has linux and the other has windows
[01:28] <holycow> oh great
[01:28] <rob^> black_Nightmare, no, but try either ext3 or reiserfs
[01:28] <Seveas> brendan_: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[01:28] <jino> ya i have done it JanC
[01:28] <holycow> the fucking dvd player is stuck and the whole os is now frozen
[01:28] <holycow> jesus
[01:28] <brendan_> My friend did that
[01:28] <brendan_> but i cant figure out how to get to it
[01:28] <brendan_> :-/
[01:28] <black_Nightmare> rob...oh ok....how large a partition can these two handle (or can they fill 500gb? heh)
[01:28] <JanC> jino : then read the documentation ?
[01:28] <rob^> jino, why not try it on someone elses server
[01:29] <brendan_> he kept doing all this stuff really fast
[01:29] <rob^> jino, like a free one
[01:29] <brendan_> so i couldn't get most of it
[01:29] <lcdd> pmjdebruijn: try running 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' and select the locales you want
[01:29] <pmjdebruijn> jino, first get to know apache before doing cgi programming... things like installing and starting apache should be trivial before doing cgi programming
[01:29] <jino> the cgi-bin folder doesnt appear
[01:29] <pmjdebruijn> lcdd, ah, THANKYOU
[01:29] <rob^> better then leaving your box open to compromise due to you lacking experience
[01:29] <rob^> but then, some time people have to learn the hard way.. hehe
[01:30] <rob^> jino, if your an aussie try http://bur.st
[01:31] <jino> JanC , tthe cgi-bin folder doesnt appear
[01:31] <JanC> jino : a cgi-bin folder is not _required_
[01:31] <K_Dallas> is there a command to give you GMT ?
[01:31] <JanC> it's probably a good idea to use one
[01:31] <shawarma> K_Dallas: date --utc
[01:31] <Mwnci> seveas  whats the difference between apt-get  and aptitude?
[01:31] <K_Dallas> gooreat, thanks
[01:31] <jino> JanC , is it? why? the where will i park my web page and perl program..
[01:31] <brendan_> Seveas are you still here/
[01:31] <brendan_> ?
[01:31] <black_Nightmare> just curious but anyone recoken that you could get 98se to just be able to read a linux hd?
[01:31] <rob^> K_Dallas, its not that hard to work out :P
[01:31] <Seveas> Mwnci, aptitude is better at uninstalling unneeded dependencies
[01:32] <Seveas> brendan_, yes
[01:32] <shawarma> Mwnci: apt-get is command line tool. Aptitude is menu-based.
[01:32] <black_Nightmare> or does the permission rights (admin too) in linux make that difficult
[01:32] <Mwnci> cool.
[01:32] <darthvader> need some quick help.. got an on board soundcard i dont want to use.. also got an sb audigy i want to use.. i dont hear any sound out of my audigy though. what do i have to do?
[01:32] <rob^> black_Nightmare, if its using ext2 you could
[01:32] <Seveas> darthvader, disable the onboard thing in your BIOS
[01:32] <rob^> there are windows drivers for it
[01:33] <black_Nightmare> rob...hm ty .. is there a size limit to ext2?
[01:33] <jino> JanC , how can i do it?
[01:33] <darthvader> k i will see if that works.. im just testing out ubuntu 5.04 now.
[01:33] <pmjdebruijn> lcdd, :( didn't help.... thanks anyway
[01:34] <kris_> Im trying to create a link and its not working Im using the command ln -s jre/bin/java /usr/bin/java
[01:34] <rob^> black_Nightmare, 2TB
[01:34] <kris_> Is that right?
[01:34] <lcdd> pmjdebruijn: are you sure? does 'locales -a' list nl_NL.UTF-8?
[01:34] <pmjdebruijn> black_Nightmare, there is a size limit to ext2, there's is to all file systems
[01:34] <Seveas> kris_, you should not install java manually
[01:34] <lcdd> pmjdebruijn: locale -a i mean
[01:34] <Seveas> kris_: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[01:34] <kris_> :o
[01:34] <pmjdebruijn> lcdd, locales, command not found :s
[01:35] <rob^> !java
[01:35] <ubotu> methinks java is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//Java
[01:35] <pmjdebruijn> lcdd, yep it gets listed
[01:35] <pmjdebruijn> oh wait
[01:35] <pmjdebruijn> lcdd, it lists utf in lowercase instead of uppercase
[01:35] <JanC> jino, why don't you read the documentation?
[01:35] <JanC> there is a link to "CGI: Dynamic Content" on the front page...
[01:35] <black_Nightmare> rob.. hm so ext2 could go from a 1gb hd to new 250gb ones?
[01:36] <Seveas> pmjdebruijn, that's ok
[01:36] <JanC> and the documentation is accessible on your PC
[01:36] <rob^> black_Nightmare, thats 2TB per file, so yes it could.
[01:36] <lcdd> pmjdebruijn: i don't know why gdm is complaining then, sorry
[01:36] <jino> okie
[01:36] <pmjdebruijn> Seveas, lcdd, anyway i tried nl_NL too, doesn't work either
[01:36] <JanC> http://localhost/manual/
[01:36] <rob^> but you will be much better off with ext3 on that 250gb hd
[01:36] <pmjdebruijn> brb
[01:37] <kris_> Does that website have the 64bit one?
[01:38] <jino> JanC , i cant access it..it says it is not available
[01:39] <JanC> it should be if you have apache2 installed ?
[01:40] <jino> okie
[01:40] <black_Nightmare> hmm makes me thinking... 98se on a hd... and storing to an ext2 slave hd (100gb or bigger) :p .. hehehe
[01:40] <JanC> maybe try starting apache with "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start"
[01:40] <jino> it is installed..
[01:40] <jino> in /var/www
[01:40] <JanC> ?
[01:40] <yogix> hello all - I and a few others have a cd/dvd-rom recognition problem in ubuntu? can someone help... (see this thread: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34516&page=2)
[01:40] <rob^> black_Nightmare, yeah, well its possible I suppose
[01:41] <pmjdebruijn> lcdd, crap I needed to restart GDM, stupid me
[01:41] <JanC> you must install apache2 with synaptic or apt-get or aptitude
[01:41] <jino> ya
[01:41] <jino> the server has started
[01:42] <jino> now what should i do?
[01:43] <Taya> Hi, I need help setting up ubuntu mirror...
[01:43] <yogix> Need some help... Anyone? (http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34516&page=2) :-(
[01:44] <Seveas> yogix: please stop repeating the same question. If someone knows, (s)he will answer. You can try posting on the mailing list too.
[01:44] <jino> JanC , server didnt start..
[01:44] <jino> it says 80 port is in use
[01:44] <yogix> seveas: oops... ok - my bad... apologies
[01:44] <JanC> you're already running another server ?
[01:44] <toinou> hello I would like to launch a sript when my cvs is updated ? Is it possible ?
[01:44] <jino> no
[01:44] <Elektron> hi. My PC has a PS2 Mouse. I run dosemu and I want mouse works fine under dosemu. So, what do I have to do? I edit "dosemu.conf" and I set ' $_mouse = "ps2" '. But didn't work. Whats wrong?
[01:44] <JanC> yes
[01:44] <jino> how do i check n remove it?
[01:45] <toinou> jino, it's not possible ?
[01:46] <jino> so?
[01:46] <rob^> yogix, it looks like someone has figured out a solution to your problem on the forum already
[01:47] <jino>  * Starting web server (Apache2)...
[01:47] <jino> (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::] :80
[01:47] <jino> no listening sockets available, shutting down
[01:47] <jino>  *able to open logs                                                      [fail] 
[01:47] <rob^> bah
[01:47] <JanC> jino: "sudo netstat -l -p | grep www"
[01:47] <jino> JanC , this is da error am getting
[01:47] <yogix> rob^ - actually no, the last post is mine... will explain if anyone willing to listen.
[01:47] <Elektron> hi. My PC has a PS2 Mouse. I run dosemu and I want mouse works fine under dosemu. So, what do I have to do? I edit "dosemu.conf" and I set ' $_mouse = "ps2" '. But didn't work. Whats wrong?
[01:48] <rob^> yogix, shoot
[01:48] <jino> tcp        0      0 *:www                   *:*                     LISTEN     6 535/apache
[01:48] <yogix> rob^ : my dvd-rom drive on ide1 gets recognised only if i put "ide1=nodma" on the grub command line
[01:49] <yogix> rob^ : but this does not work if the command is put in menu.lst
[01:49] <jino> JanC , this is da message
[01:49] <rob^> yogix, so you have to do it manually
[01:49] <yogix> rob^ : yes - i have to press 'e'dit on boot-up and change the line and then 'b'oot
[01:49] <JanC> jino : you're already running apache 1.3 ?
[01:49] <yogix> rob^ :  I can't understand that behaviour!?
[01:51] <Whistler> can anybody recommend any php editor?
[01:51] <rob^> yogix, you could try http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#speedupcddvdrom   replacing on with off and -d1 with -d0
[01:51] <riffic> vim
[01:52] <jino> JanC , how do i check..
[01:52] <JanC> you already did
[01:52] <kev0r> oh
[01:52] <jino> okie
[01:52] <Elektron> hi. My PC has a PS2 Mouse. I run dosemu and I want mouse works fine under dosemu. So, what do I have to do? I edit "dosemu.conf" and I set ' $_mouse = "ps2" '. But didn't work. Whats wrong?
[01:53] <Whistler> i have it already installed how can i run it?
[01:53] <kev0r> how do i tar a bunch of files?
[01:53] <kev0r> a whole directory for instance
[01:53] <jino> JanC , so wat shall i do now.?
[01:53] <yogix> rob^, if I don't do that "ide1=nodma" thing on boot-up then the device isn't created at all - no /dev/hdc :-(
[01:53] <JanC> you only need apache _or_ apache2, apache2 is the official supported version in Ubuntu
[01:54] <JanC> so, uninstall one of them  :)
[01:54] <riffic> Whistler: go to a terminal window
[01:54] <rob^> kev0r, the easy way is to do it via nautilus, just right click on the folder and choose "create archive"
[01:54] <riffic> and type "sudo init 0"
[01:54] <yogix> rob^ - i've downloaded fedora core 4, maybe I should check if I have the same problem there... (but I would hate to kill my ubuntu setup)
[01:55] <jino> JanC , okie
[01:55] <jino> JanC , i have un installed every thing..
[01:56] <riffic> o.O
[01:56] <rob^> yogix, try http://www.linuxjunior.org/yabbse/index.php?board=7;action=printpage;threadid=5340    near the end
[01:56] <quitte> can someone please give me an example xorg config?
[01:56] <rob^> you will have to alter the grub entry on that page to suit ubuntu though
[01:57] <Elektron> hi. My PC has a PS2 Mouse. I run dosemu and I want mouse works fine under dosemu. So, what do I have to do? I edit "dosemu.conf" and I set ' $_mouse = "ps2" '. But didn't work. Whats wrong?
[01:57] <rob^> Elektron, stop repeating yourself
[01:58] <Elektron> ei rob, do u know to do it?
[01:58] <rob^> norm_, try a dosemu forum/chan
[01:58] <Elektron> ok 10ks
[01:59] <yogix> rob^, have tried that -- that's the strangest part.  It works when I edit it on boot-up but not if I put it in menu.lst... I am totally baffled by that!
[02:00] <jwark> thank you guys... even by just reading on what you write in here helps... more power to Ubuntu!!!
[02:00] <quitte> anyone please dcc me his xorg config.
[02:00] <rob^> hmm
[02:02] <quitte> rob^: can i have yours?
[02:02] <rob^> quitte, what did you do to yours?
[02:03] <quitte> rob^: it never got created. in short: im building xorg on sh3 and the package installer doesnt fully work.
[02:03] <rob^> sh3?
[02:03] <quitte> super hitachi
[02:05] <quitte> rob^: dreamcast has sh4. hp jornada 6xx use sh3.
[02:05] <rob^> quitte, theres one at http://www.willmer.com/examples/xorg.conf
[02:05] <rob^> you'll need to modify it though
[02:06] <_dw> Hi guys. On trying to do dpkg-reconfigure of  x, I'm getting debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[02:06] <_dw> What could I do?
[02:06] <quitte> rob^: ok thanks.
[02:06] <snowseal> hey all. i want to recompile my kernel, do i need to add a " ubuntu patch"  before i compile it?
[02:06] <rob^> _dw, kill the process that using it?
[02:07] <rob^> snowseal, no, just download the source from the ubuntu mirrors and use that
[02:07] <_dw> rob^: how could I find out what's using it?
[02:07] <quitte> lsof
[02:08] <snowseal> oh, from the ubuntu lirror u say. hmm, ok
[02:08] <thoreauputic> _dw: close synaptic and anything using apt or dpkg
[02:08] <P3L|C4N0> aptitude
[02:08] <ubuntu_> howdy
[02:09] <_dw> thoreauputic: I'm pretty sure none of that stuff is running; I get it even when logging into a failsafe terminal
[02:10] <rob^> snowseal, do "uname -a" to get your current running kernel and find the source package that matches it
[02:10] <manish> hi people
[02:11] <manish> anyone using windowmaker on ubuntu?
[02:11] <aurax_> hello
[02:11] <goldfish_> hi
[02:11] <aurax_> :)
[02:11] <manish> windowmaker ne one here?
[02:11] <aurax_> is there a known solution to replace MS Exchange ?
[02:11] <aurax_> linux based of cours
[02:11] <manish> hi  goldfish
[02:11] <snowseal> rob^, ty.
[02:11] <Shufla> hello ubuntiers :)
[02:12] <rob^> hi
[02:12] <aurax_> ubuntiers, like that :)
[02:12] <rob^> yeah
[02:12] <aurax_> anyone here know a proper replacement for MS Exchange ?
[02:12] <pc_> hi, can anyone recommend a good usenet newsreader? i dont get evolution, dont like thunderbird, and pan gets killed for eating all my memory
[02:12] <Vjaz> we are the ubunteros
[02:12] <aurax_> that still works with MAPI
[02:12] <aurax_> and ms outlook clients.
[02:12] <aurax_> etc
[02:12] <rob^> aurax_, any of the MTAs available
[02:12] <aurax_> yes but who
[02:12] <aurax_> you know there are tons of combinations
[02:12] <aurax_> i'm looking for a good suite .
[02:13] <Shufla> postfix as base
[02:13] <rob^> pick one :)
[02:13] <Shufla> :D
[02:13] <Shufla> well. i'd like to see proper set up of unix/linux tools to make nice and clean internal/external mail system ;)
[02:13] <aurax_> i would like to pick one
[02:13] <Shufla> clients-oriented :D
[02:13] <aurax_> thats for sure ..
[02:13] <aurax_> :)
[02:14] <rob^> if you have $$$ you could use @Mail
[02:14] <aurax_> no
[02:14] <Shufla> aurax_: what are your needs?
[02:14] <Shufla> @Mail?
[02:14] <aurax_> Shufla, i need a replacement for MS Exchange
[02:14] <aurax_> that can sync ms outlook clients,
[02:14] <aurax_> IMAP etc..
[02:14] <aurax_> just to kick out ms exchange and use linux gateway/vpn etc. ..
[02:14] <rob^> www.atmail.com
[02:14] <aurax_> no
[02:14] <aurax_> i dont want webmail
[02:15] <Shufla> hm. for smtp[s]  i'd use postfix with maildirs
[02:15] <rob^> thats just one of the features
[02:15] <aurax_> err
[02:15] <Shufla> for imaps - courier
[02:15] <aurax_> u dont understand
[02:15] <aurax_> ms exchange
[02:15] <aurax_> is all-in-one solution
[02:15] <Shufla> i do not, sorry
[02:15] <rob^> umm.. I do
[02:15] <aurax_> with dhcp lalala, dns ... etc..
[02:15] <aurax_> and with LDAP support
[02:15] <Shufla> hm...
[02:15] <aurax_> and all that crap
[02:15] <aurax_> now
[02:15] <rob^> mono
[02:15] <aurax_> there are few solutions, like ogo
[02:15] <aurax_> kolab
[02:15] <aurax_> etc
[02:15] <aurax_> some are not free.
[02:15] <aurax_> 600-800 euros
[02:15] <rob^> is free
[02:15] <aurax_> for 5 users
[02:16] <aurax_> mono is not for groupware.
[02:16] <aurax_> etc.
[02:16] <Shufla> 600EUR is not so much...
[02:16] <aurax_> ha
[02:16] <aurax_> so why are we opensourcing ?
[02:16] <Shufla> well
[02:16] <aurax_> :)
[02:16] <rob^> you mean like Active Directory?
[02:16] <Shufla> as i see opensource projects provide you little legos which you can make big towers
[02:16] <aurax_> indeed.
[02:17] <aurax_> rob^ i mean like ms exchange, with contacts sharing
[02:17] <aurax_> and all that stuff
[02:17] <aurax_> even evolution is capable to connect to such server
[02:17] <rob^> aurax_, then you mean AD
[02:17] <Shufla> but if you want to have big tower for free...I think is too much to do
[02:17] <rob^> its what exchanges uses
[02:17] <aurax_> and i belive since MS using standart protocols there are replacemnts in the OS community
[02:17] <aurax_> what's ad rob?
[02:18] <_dw> a package has unmet dependencies and is mucking apt up. What can I do to just cancel it?
[02:18] <Shufla> active directory
[02:18] <rob^> Active Directory = LDAP, DNS etc
[02:18] <aurax_> yeah
[02:19] <Shufla> AD == marketiod(array(LDAP,DHCP,DNS,Kerberos,SSL,SMTP,...))
[02:19] <aurax_> "A replacement server that completely emulates MS-Exchange functionality in real time for MS-Outlook clients. This requires reverse-engineering Microsoft's secret RPC-based communications protocols, "
[02:19] <rob^> yes kerberos is a big part of it too
[02:19] <aurax_> secret rpc lol
[02:19] <aurax_> damn
[02:19] <Vjaz> aurax_, what's so funny about that?
[02:20] <Shufla> it's not funny... :(
[02:20] <aurax_> means ms doing syndicate shit
[02:20] <aurax_> not funny.
[02:20] <KillerSmurf> how do I change ownership of a directory?
[02:20] <iphitus> anyone happen to know the password for hte user on the ubuntu livecd? My friend's running it, and xscreensaver's locked the screen -- and he cant get out without password
[02:20] <Shufla> KillerSmurf: chmod ... dir
[02:20] <KillerSmurf> is it chown?
[02:20] <rob^> aurax_, http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&biw=1245&q=Active+Directory+and+linux&btnG=Search&meta=
[02:21] <rob^> start reading
[02:21] <yccheok> my vsftpd start whenever i start my linux, how can i disable it?
[02:21] <Shufla> tfu
[02:21] <Shufla> chown
[02:21] <KillerSmurf> k thanks
[02:21] <Shufla> yccheok: chmod a-x /etc/init.d/vsftpd
[02:22] <rob^> aurax_, Novel eDirectory is sought of like AD also
[02:22] <Shufla> yccheok: you could use update-rc.d -f vsftpd remove, but after vsftpd upgrade debian scripts will activate it :(
[02:22] <aurax_> how's opengroupware.org ?
[02:22] <aurax_> worth the pain ?
[02:22] <Shufla> it's not bug, it's feature they say :(
[02:22] <rob^> not if you have the cash
[02:23] <yccheok> Shufla: where does the command to start vsftpd actually reinside which script?
[02:23] <rob^> I did get a 100,000 user licence for eDirectory for nothing once though
[02:23] <Shufla> yccheok: /etc/init.d/vsftpd
[02:24] <rob^> legit too
[02:24] <aurax_> bah
[02:24] <yccheok> Shufla: do u mean that all the startup program inside directory /etc/init.d ??
[02:25] <rob^> see http://www.novell.com/products/edirectory/pricing.html
[02:25] <rob^> $2 per user licence I think
[02:25] <aurax_> rob
[02:26] <rob^> $15 for the software itself, not too bat
[02:26] <rob^> -bad
[02:26] <aurax_> is it capable to work with ms outlook clients ?
[02:26] <aurax_> share calanders sync outlooks etc
[02:26] <rob^> most likely, you'll have to talk to novell themselfs and ask.
[02:26] <rob^> man I'm getting tired
[02:27] <rob^> bad english
[02:28] <aurax_> ok
[02:28] <aurax_> c'ya
[02:28] <youngcoder> how do i use KDE with Ubuntu?
[02:28] <Seveas> youngcoder, aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[02:28] <Shufla> yccheok: yes.
[02:28] <rob^> !kubuntu
[02:28] <ubotu> rob^: Are you smoking crack?
[02:28] <rob^> dang
[02:29] <youngcoder> lol
[02:29] <rob^> heh
[02:29] <rob^> yeah its installable via apt-get
[02:29] <youngcoder> rob^ thats was a good one
[02:29] <Shufla> it's not good to be it specialist for 250EUR/month, isn't it? ;P
[02:30] <Seveas> ehm, no :)
[02:30] <Seveas> not if you work 40h/week
[02:30] <rob^> thats crap, actually.
[02:30] <Seveas> kinda
[02:30] <Shufla> i do work 40h/w :(
[02:30] <Seveas> i get over 3 times as much for 8h/week
[02:30] <Seveas> s/8/16
[02:31] <Shufla> omfg :(
[02:31] <Shufla> i'd leave my pretty country...
[02:32] <KillerSmurf> i only get 29/44 but that's canadian
[02:32] <Shufla> Seveas: 4EUR/h?
[02:33] <rob^> night all
[02:33] <Shufla> night
[02:33] <KillerSmurf> thanks Shufla for the chmod usage
[02:33] <Shufla> KillerSmurf: n/p
[02:33] <HiddenWolf> Shufla, that's far below minimum wage here, even for a minor
[02:33] <snowseal> whats a good dvd copyer, like dvd-shrink for win.?
[02:33] <Shufla> maybe. i'm not minor.
[02:34] <Shufla> snowseal: k3b?
[02:34] <Shufla> but my country is poor and corrupted.
[02:34] <Shufla> and high taxed.
[02:34] <Cazabam> snowseal: if you mean to reencode to a smaller format, dvdrip is pretty good, but you need transcode :(
[02:36] <snowseal> okies. seems that dvdshrink is pretty unique, but it works in wine. i'll try that. and i'll try k3b too.
[02:37] <jmjones> anyone here have a laptop with an ati radeon x300 mobility?
[02:38] <Shufla> i can't afford it to provide support ;P
[02:38] <zyth> x300? oi.  I think I have a laptop with an 8meg ATI Rage...
[02:38] <_cloud> hi to all..
[02:39] <jmjones> i've got the low-end x300 - the one with 64MB RAM
[02:39] <_cloud> is there someone who knows how to solve a problema with RAID?
[02:39] <Cazabam> snowseal: if you can get transcode working it really is an excellent replacement for dvdshrink, but last I looked it wasn't inthe repos. shame
[02:39] <Shufla> _cloud: what's the problem?
[02:39] <Shufla> 21min2go ;)
[02:39] <_cloud> ehm..
[02:39] <_cloud> i have a 120gb mounted on RAID
[02:40] <_cloud> but ubuntu seems to not recognize this...in fact i cannot mount
[02:40] <_cloud> because the special device does'nt exist for that hd
[02:40] <Shufla> _cloud: paste /etc/fstab and /proc/raidtab to http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:40] <Shufla> _cloud: and use exact device names.
[02:41] <_cloud> and then what i have to do???
[02:41] <Shufla> explain your problem here as exact as you can
[02:41] <Shufla> 19min2go:D
[02:43] <pc_> 1
[02:43] <jino> hi, how can i install http server?
[02:44] <Shufla> jino: sudo apt-get install apache2
[02:44] <jino> i installed tat..
[02:44] <_cloud> Shufla: i done that paste
[02:44] <_cloud> but i don't have a raidtab
[02:44] <_cloud> it is possible??
[02:44] <Shufla> jino: great. sudo lsof -ni4 | grep -i apache
[02:45] <jino> Shufla: but then i want cgi- bin folder..it never appears..
[02:45] <Shufla> _cloud: /proc/mdstat
[02:45] <Shufla> jino: huh?
[02:46] <jino> Shufla: sorry, i don have much idea about the stuff
[02:46] <jino> will u plz temme..
[02:46] <Shufla> jino: what do you want to do?
[02:46] <jino> cgi perl programming..
[02:46] <jino> with front end as html
[02:46] <_cloud> Shufla mdsta is empty
[02:47] <_cloud> i opened it with kate
[02:47] <guupsta> does anyone know if foobar2000 available in some repository?
[02:47] <Shufla> jino: libapache2-mod-perl2
[02:47] <Shufla> _cloud: cat /proc/mdstat
[02:47] <Shufla> 12min2go
[02:47] <_cloud> k
[02:47] <Seveas> Shufla, mod_perl != cgi
[02:47] <Shufla> Seveas: i know.
[02:48] <jino> where should i type it..?
[02:48] <Seveas> jino, you will have to create it yourself
[02:48] <Seveas> do as been told before: read the documentation
[02:48] <Seveas> instead of asking the same over and over again
[02:48] <_cloud> Personalities :
[02:48] <_cloud> unused devices: <none>
[02:48] <jino> Seveas, how?
[02:48] <_cloud> *_*
[02:49] <Seveas> jino, argh.....
[02:49] <Shufla> 11mins2go
[02:49] <Seveas> httpd.apache.org / www.perl.org
[02:49] <Shufla> i've got to go, by
[02:49] <Shufla> bye :)
[02:49] <jino> bye
[02:50] <Seveas> jino, please don't use weird characters
[02:50] <jino> okie
[02:51] <sulff> ./srcds_run -console -game cstrike -port 27015 +ip 123.123.123.123 +map de_dust +maxplayers 14 < where can i get the ip a need to replace instead of 123.123.123.123 plz ??
[02:53] <Dj_AlTeK> hey all
[02:53] <jino> Seveas, i have installed apache 2..now
[02:54] <Seveas> jino, good, now read the documnentation about how to setup cgi
[02:54] <_linuxAS_> re
[02:55] <jino> Seveas, thanx..i have read..but then it asks to edit some files..i dont know wat..
[02:55] <Dj_AlTeK> hey Seveas
[02:56] <Seveas> Dj_AlTeK, hi :)
[02:56] <zyth> morning Seveas
[02:56] <jino> Seveas,  ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/local/apache2/cgi-bin/...where should i do this
[02:56] <Seveas> jino, by default cgi-bin on the server is redirected to /usr/lib/cgi-bin
[02:56] <Seveas> so create your cgi scripts there
[02:57] <Seveas> good afternoon zyth :)
[02:58] <jino> Seveas,  so where do i put my html file..
[02:58] <jino> wat is this script alias
[02:59] <Seveas> jino, you don't create html files with cgi
[02:59] <Seveas> you let the cgi program create html...
[02:59] <jino> ya rt..
[03:00] <Seveas> jino, please read the documentation about how cgi works...
[03:00] <Seveas> that is beyond the topic of this channel...
[03:00] <jino> but the..wat i wanna do is to take an input from an html file and run a perl cgi program..
[03:00] <jeanre> lo all
[03:00] <jeanre> does anyone know how to use themes for gnome
[03:00] <Seveas> jeanre, art.gnome.org/faq.php
[03:01] <jmjones> jeanre: what's you're question
[03:01] <jmjones> ?
[03:02] <jeanre> jmjones: I am downloading themes
[03:02] <jeanre> and doingt he way the faq says
[03:02] <jeanre> but uhm it aint working
[03:02] <jmjones> jeanre: haven't read the faq :-) - how are you installing them?
[03:03] <jeanre> jmjones: can I pm?
[03:03] <jmjones> jeanre: sure
[03:03] <_cloud> yo anyone knows why my ubuntu does'nt see my hard disk on RAID??
[03:05] <shawarma> _cloud: Which raid controller?
[03:07] <snowseal> my dvd runs at 1x, how to tweak that?
[03:08] <Seveas> snowseal, try enabling DMA on that drive
[03:09] <snowseal> Seveas with module argument options probably ?
[03:09] <Seveas> nope
[03:09] <Seveas> hdparm -d1 /dev/yourdvddrive
[03:10] <snowseal> oh. ty.
[03:12] <xxtreme> seveas= i need mail help.....please
[03:12] <Seveas> mail help..?
[03:12] <xxtreme> seveas, im trying to configure sendmail with my gmail account
[03:13] <xxtreme> seveas i dont have a clue what i'm doing
[03:13] <Seveas> i see that :)
[03:13] <shawarma> xxenon: sendmail with gmail... What is that supposed to do?
[03:13] <snowseal> yess Seveas dvd is much faster now ;d
[03:13] <snowseal> :D
[03:13] <Seveas> what are you trying to accomplish xxtreme ?
[03:14] <zyth> Sendmail.. with gmail...?
[03:14] <xxtreme> seveas, i want to be able to fetch my mail from a pop3 account into my linux box
[03:14] <zyth> why not just use gmail's pop3/smtp
[03:15] <Seveas> ah, you mean fetchmail!
[03:15] <xxtreme> seveas i hate kmail and any gui, so im trying this
[03:15] <Seveas> google uses pop3s so you must let fetchmail use pop3s too (if it can do that)
[03:15] <_cloud> shawarma i have a gigabyte
[03:15] <_cloud> dunno what controller is
[03:15] <zyth> gmail also uses some weird ports
[03:15] <zyth> nonstandard.
[03:16] <xxtreme> seveas= zyth any suggestions
[03:16] <Seveas> zyth, no, they use the standard pop3s port...
[03:17] <A[D] minS> Guys how i can add online mirorrs to install from it?
[03:17] <xxtreme> seveas, i have fetchmail installed, just don't know how to set it up correctly
[03:17] <Seveas> xxtreme, neither do I :)
[03:17] <Seveas> I never used it
[03:17] <Seveas> but look for an ssl/pop3s flag
[03:18] <xxtreme> seveas=thanks, someone told me about pine also
[03:18] <_cloud> i have a 120gb on a RAID...but i don't know how to mount that! i don't know the associated special device
[03:18] <Seveas> md0 probably
[03:18] <xxtreme> any fetchmail geeks here
[03:19] <zyth> Seveas, I recall having to set some weird ports for my gmail.
[03:19] <zyth> maybe I'm on crack.
[03:20] <Seveas> xxtreme: poll MYSERVER port 993 plugin "openssl s_client -connect %h:%p"
[03:20] <Seveas>         protocol imap username MYUSERNAME password MYPASSWORD
[03:21] <Seveas> zyth, they use 993, which is the default port for pop3s
[03:21] <zyth> Oh
[03:21] <zyth> Ok.
[03:21] <zyth> That I wasn't aware of
[03:21] <Seveas> hmm
[03:21] <zyth> I just knew it wasn't 110
[03:21] <xxtreme> seveas thanks, you Rock!!!!!!!
[03:21] <Seveas> wait 993 is imaps
[03:21] <Seveas> xxtreme, you'll have to change that line :)
[03:21] <raiden24> pop3s is like 150 or something
[03:22] <Seveas> protocol pop3 instead of protocol imap
[03:22] <Seveas> port 995 instead of 993
[03:22] <raiden24> ya
[03:22] <Seveas> raiden24, it's 995 :)
[03:22] <raiden24> my mistake :)
[03:25] <berkes> OMG, fscking stupid java. with thei stupid licence issues, and complete/uttlery insane system of J2RE J2SE J2SDK why should I even care? </rant >
[03:26] <Seveas> :D
[03:26] <berkes> < /rant>
[03:27] <Juhaz> if that's insane, what wouldn't be? you'd rather not have runtime environment and force everyone who just wants to run an applet to install the sdk?
[03:27] <berkes> i want apt-get install java
[03:27] <lcdd> is there a java package for amd64?
[03:27] <Seveas> berkes, that's possible
[03:27] <Seveas> from backports :)
[03:28] <Seveas> lcdd, iirc not, but if there's a java installer for amd64 you can easily make one
[03:28] <Seveas> lcdd: for java: download the .bin file from java.sun.com, apt-get install java-package, chmod +x [the .bin file] , make-jpkg [the bin file] , dpkg -i [the generated .deb file] 
[03:28] <berkes> Seveas: yea, not really though. and if wso, the distrubotor of that repository is violating the lisun licence
[03:28] <berkes> Seveas: I know al that?
[03:28] <berkes> thats what I am ranting about
[03:28] <lcdd> Seveas: thanks, that'll do it
[03:29] <Seveas> berkes, yes, the person who is making this .deb file available IS violating the sun license
[03:29] <Seveas> if you per se do not want that, do the make-jpkg dance
[03:29] <berkes> Seveas: fsking sun people, with their stupid licence.
[03:29] <Seveas> yeah...
[03:30] <noodle> is anyone handy at setting up tomcat?
[03:30] <berkes> Seveas: i dont care. if it were up to me the licence ppl at sun would get all sorts of nasty viruses :)
[03:31] <Seveas> well, I consider java to be a nasty virus :)
[03:31] <McStabb> hello?
[03:32] <berkes> Seveas: hehe.
[03:32] <shawarma> McStabb: Hi
[03:32] <Seveas> hello McStabb
[03:32] <berkes> its just that i need to pay my bills and my bank uses java for the online banking, otherwise i swould stay far from all java crap
[03:33] <Seveas> Likewise here, and my research projects use it :(
[03:33] <jze_> Does any1 know where could I find drivers for Voodoo 3 gfx card?
[03:33] <zyth> um
[03:33] <A[D] minS> apt-get  install tcl
[03:33] <A[D] minS> Reading package lists... Done
[03:33] <A[D] minS> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:33] <A[D] minS> Package tcl is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:33] <A[D] minS> ?
[03:34] <A[D] minS> checking tcl build dir... configure: error: Unable to find Tcl directory or Tcl package is not tcl-dev
[03:34] <Chet> Is there like a minimalistic video player that can play in the framebuffer? It's for DSLinux
[03:34] <zyth> I think DRI works for the voodoo3 for OpenGL...
[03:34] <jeanre> whats a nice gui to rip dvds
[03:34] <jze_> zyth: So how do I get it?
[03:35] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> jeanre: dvd:rip
[03:35] <zyth> jze_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Voodoo3doesnotdo3d
[03:35] <Seveas> A[D] minS, try tcl8.4
[03:35] <zyth> but you can only do 3D at 16bpp, 1024x768 or less
[03:36] <nalioth_zZzZzZzZ> Seveas: berkes are there no other ways around java (like callin the bank and telling them java won't run on your machine?)
[03:36] <Seveas> nalioth_zZzZzZzZ, hehehe not really
[03:36] <Seveas> but my bank got bashd by all inds of security gurus about their weak system
[03:36] <Seveas> (It actually is pretty nice, it's just that is uses login+pw only)
[03:36] <nalioth> cuz i agree, java does suck
[03:37] <HiddenWolf> seveas, postbank sucks, doesn't it. :P
[03:37] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, i like it :)
[03:37] <Seveas> I like tan per sms
[03:37] <zyth> I thought of learning to program java, but it looked evil, so I avoided it.
[03:37] <Seveas> always last the tan sheets :)
[03:37] <Seveas> losy*
[03:37] <berkes> nalioth: yea, but that would mean i have to do my transactions @ the bank, whickh means talkin, to real people
[03:37] <Seveas> lost*
[03:37] <berkes> :)
[03:37] <Seveas> lol berkes
[03:37] <HiddenWolf> seveas, I hate it that they took away the old history of my account. Now for everything older than one month, I have to resort to hardcopy. :S
[03:37] <nalioth> berkes: they don't have alternative online methods?
[03:38] <berkes> nalioth: nope
[03:38] <Chet> Someone tell me the name of movie players that can play in the Framebuffer but aren't xine/mplayer/vlc
[03:38] <mindspin> berkes the real people in our bank ar set free for being replaced by machines
[03:38] <Seveas> HiddenWolf, ouch :|
[03:38] <lcdd> coming from a place where all banks use one-time passwords, a simple login+pw sounds amazing :)
[03:38] <berkes> Chet: kaffeine, but that uses xine, afaik
[03:38] <shawarma> Chet: ffplay
[03:39] <Seveas> lcdd, OTP's are only used for committing transactions
[03:39] <Seveas> lcdd, you hit commit, they send you an sms with an OTP and in the next page you fill it in and hit 'Really Commit'
[03:39] <lcdd> Seveas: that's good at least
[03:39] <Chet> thanks shawarma
[03:39] <shawarma> Chet: np. It's in the ffmpeg package, which I thing is in multiverse
[03:40] <zyth> Huh, you can play video on ipodlinux
[03:40] <zyth> how weird.
[03:42] <MidnightDevil> heya
[03:42] <Seveas> ayeh!
[03:42] <MidnightDevil> im trying to install webmin with all the modules but im getting some broken packages erros like this: webmin-exim: Depends: exim4 but it is not going to be installed or
[03:43] <MidnightDevil> anyway to ignore these?
[03:43] <Seveas> MidnightDevil, ubuntu uses postfix instead of webmin
[03:43] <Seveas> MidnightDevil, ubuntu uses postfix instead of exim*
[03:43] <MidnightDevil> thats just an example
[03:43] <Seveas> well, there will be more like that :)
[03:44] <MidnightDevil> returns errors with postix, exim, postgresql, sendmail, showerwall and we-ftpd
[03:44] <Mwnci> ok i have installed xfce4 and it runs much more stable. how ever i have a couple of config questions. How do you add items to the popup menu since its taken synaptic and abiword out of the menu that it had in kde
[03:44] <Seveas> MidnightDevil, why would you install all these modules?
[03:44] <Seveas> do you run postgres/sendmail/shorewall/etc..?
[03:44] <MidnightDevil> since i dont need any of those, can i ignore it ? or do something like apt-get install webmin* | exclude_those_packages_aboce ?
[03:44] <MidnightDevil> lol
[03:44] <MidnightDevil> Seveas: i dont use shorewall, or postgres, or sendmail
[03:45] <Seveas> MidnightDevil, just install what you need...
[03:45] <MidnightDevil> o just want to install all the modules except the ones i dont need, which are the ones that return a error
[03:45] <MidnightDevil> Seveas:  can i add a command to exclude ?
[03:45] <jeroen__> exit
[03:45] <Octane-> is there a way to find out the version of a program (installed via package) that you have from the command line?
[03:45] <thoreauputic> Mwnci: try running xfce4-menueditor  (but you may have to add them to the main menu bar rather than to subsections)
[03:46] <Seveas> MidnightDevil, try using aptitude ;)
[03:46] <Mwnci> ill give it a go thanks
[03:46] <thoreauputic> Octane: apt-cache policy <packagename> should tell you
[03:47] <MidnightDevil> ok :)
[03:47] <Octane-> thoreauputic: thanks so much
[03:47] <thoreauputic> Octane: no worries :)
[03:48] <reka> can anyone recommend a dvd ripper besides the one recommended in ubguide (dvdrip), or is that the "best" one out there?
[03:49] <nalioth> reka: whats the matter with dvd::rip?
[03:49] <nalioth> reka: it is ::ripalicious
[03:50] <emilio> alguien que pueda ayudarme con ubuntu  1 min
[03:50] <reka> nalioth: ah ok, i haven't tried it yet :-P thought i might ask considering ubguide's reputation
[03:50] <Mwnci> thoreauputic, thats the thing i was looking for. any idea how to get synapic going?  only when i su -   does it regonise the command and as root it cant run the gui
[03:50] <shawarma> emilio: Que es la problema?
[03:50] <swoop> anybody know why my epsxe cant get sound working ?
[03:50] <Seveas> emilio, we speak english on here...
[03:50] <swoop> if i disable the spu plugin it boots to bios
[03:50] <Seveas> #ubuntu-es por espaol :)
[03:50] <swoop> but with the plugin it freezes
[03:50] <swoop> Tungsten Graphics, Inc
[03:50] <swoop> Mesa DRI Intel(R) 852GM/855GM 20041217 x86/MMX/SSE2
[03:50] <swoop>  * Open gpu[0] 
[03:50] <swoop>  * Init spu[0] [libspuPeopsOSS.so.1.0.8] 
[03:50] <thoreauputic> Mwnci: enter the command as ` gksudo synaptic `
[03:50] <swoop> then nothing :(
[03:51] <swoop> everything else works.. zsnes, tuxracer ect all with sound and all
[03:51] <nalioth> reka: ubuntu GUIDE suX0rs, but that doesnt meand the proggys listed there do
[03:52] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> swoop do you have the config files for sound in epsxe ?
[03:52] <MidnightDevil> if i have apache already do i need to install webmin apache module? or this will be something like monitor?
[03:52] <swoop> in the cfg folder
[03:52] <lennart> I have made a query from a database. Is it possible to get the column names with the Java API?
[03:52] <swoop> 2 secs lemme copy to the epsx main dir also see if that works
[03:53] <Seveas> lennart, that's very very off topic in here
[03:53] <Seveas> try a java channel
[03:53] <Seveas> or one associated with your database
[03:53] <lennart> SeamusLP, ops .. sorry wrong channel
[03:53] <jze_> rrf
[03:53] <swoop> Pop_pa_FrEaK, : still nothing
[03:54] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hmmmm not sure then
[03:54] <swoop> dunno why really
[03:54] <Mwnci> thoreauputic,  thanks
[03:54] <swoop> tried like all the spu plugins i can find
[03:54] <chillywilly> hey, my mouse starts sending button events when I move it after switching to my Ubuntu desktop. I also get this message: Jun 23 08:48:39 dan kernel: psmouse.c: Explorer Mouse at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 2 bytes away. What can I do about this? In order to fix it I must always unplug my mouse from the KVM then plug it back in
[03:54] <thoreauputic> Mwnci: :)
[03:54] <swoop> and when everything else works it reall should be working :(
[03:55] <Seveas> chillywilly, try without the KVM
[03:55] <mlynch> hi all
[03:55] <reka> hello michael
[03:56] <mlynch> Newbie here.  Can someone help with preseed?
[03:58] <mlynch> I attempting to set up unattended installation via PXE network boot/install.  Apt-configuration
[03:58] <mlynch> is failing
[03:58] <Mwnci> thoreauputic, another hopefully as simple question. how do you set xdm to log in automatically without putting in a user or password
[03:58] <swoop> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or direct
[03:58] <thoreauputic> Mwnci: that i don't know, sorry
[03:58] <swoop> i get this error if i use the internal sound plugin
[03:58] <thoreauputic> Mwnci: gdm can do it though
[03:58] <swoop> anbody help me on that one ?
[03:59] <Mwnci> kde has a tool to configure kdm to do it. i was hoping xdm might
[03:59] <thoreauputic> Mwnci: xdm is ugly as sin anyway - why not use gdm instead?
[04:00] <thoreauputic> the overhead is a bit higher I guess...
[04:00] <thoreauputic> oh, he left... OK
[04:00] <thoreauputic> Mwnci: wb :)
[04:00] <nalioth> thoreauputic: there ya go
[04:01] <pixman> Anyone knows if there is any ongoing development of more GUI-tools in Ubuntu? And why the **** they removed openoffice-base from the repo? O_o
[04:01] <Mwnci> thoreauputic, thanks
[04:01] <fnoy> hi
[04:01] <thoreauputic> Mwnci: you missed my pronouncement on the ugliness of xdm ;)
[04:01] <zooko> Greetings, people of Ubuntu!  Does the linux-source-2.6.11 package contain all of the 2.6.11.x patches?
[04:01] <fnoy> can some one tell me how the ubuntu prtage works
 Mwnci: xdm is ugly as sin anyway - why not use gdm instead?
 the overhead is a bit higher I guess...
[04:01] <Seveas> zooko, yes
[04:01] <zooko> Seveas: thanks!
[04:01] <thoreauputic> Seveas: stop repeating! *grin*
[04:01] <Seveas> zooko, but be warned 2.6.11 is unsupported and known to contain bugs
[04:02] <zooko> I hereby choose linux-source-2.6.11 over linux-source-2.6.12.
[04:02] <chillywilly> bah, upgraded kernel to 2.6.11 and was getting hard freeze during Gnome startup
[04:02] <zooko> Whoops, I hereby unchoose it.  What bugs?
[04:02] <nalioth> fnoy: portage?
[04:02] <fnoy> yes
[04:02] <nalioth> fnoy: we use apt-get here
[04:02] <Seveas> fnoy, ubuntu has no portage...
[04:02] <Seveas> ubuntu has apt
[04:02] <zooko> 2.6.10 failed to compile with current breezy gcc, so I figured it is time to upgrade kernel-source...
[04:02] <Seveas> a far superior system :)
[04:02] <nalioth> fnoy: if you want to build from source, apt-get will do that, too
[04:02] <mlynch> Any preseeding experts out there?
[04:02] <Seveas> zooko, current breezy gcc is 4
[04:02] <fnoy> ok
[04:02] <fnoy> thx
[04:02] <Seveas> and cannot compile *any* kernel
[04:03] <swoop> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or direct
[04:03] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> is most of breezy going to be built with gcc4?
[04:03] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, yes
[04:03] <Seveas> but afaik not the kernel
[04:03] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> yeah, i heard it has issues with the kernel
[04:04] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> IMHO, they should try to use OOo & eclipse with GCJ
[04:04] <zooko> Argh.  Reiser4 vs. kernel devs politics again!  Nooooo.  I wanted reiser4 in breezy.
[04:04] <zooko> http://lwn.net/Articles/140002/
[04:04] <Seveas> Seveas, they do
[04:04] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> and create native binaries of eclipse like the FC4 guys
[04:04] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, they do
[04:05] <Mwnci> thoreauputic, Seveas  i want it to auto login anyway so its looks mean nothing but xdm is a lot quicker than kdm  dunno about the speed of gdm
[04:05] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> good & lol
[04:05] <zooko> Ah, but 2.6.12 *is* supported.  At least, it is in main.
[04:05] <nalioth> Seveas: no, you should not ANSWER yourself
[04:05] <Pihl> Hi! Im completely new to linux and is just about to install Ubuntu. I have on question though: If needed, how do I uninstall ubuntu and reinstall Windows?? (this is just for reassurance)
[04:05] <Seveas> Mwnci, gdm is quite fast & flexible
[04:05] <GNULinuxer> zooko> it says subscription required
[04:05] <nalioth> Pihl: ubuntu and windows can peacefully coesist
[04:05] <nalioth> coexist
[04:05] <lcdd> Mwnci: xdm can't do that. perhaps you should try gdm instead
[04:06] <Pihl> nalioth, I just need one of them
[04:06] <shawarma> zooko: What's so great about Reiser4 anyway?
[04:06] <reka> Pihl: boot from your windows cd and delete the linux paritions on install
[04:06] <nalioth> Pihl: then a simple reinstall of windows will do the trick
[04:06] <Mwnci> Pihl, i have both unbuntu and windows happily on this laptop.  still use windows for some programs
[04:06] <j23tom> Is there any good gui tool to mount partitions on freshly added hard disk ?
[04:06] <GNULinuxer> shawarma> it's the fastest FS
[04:06] <jaardsi> Any idea where I could obtain the Ubuntu server banners featured here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//ServerBanners ?
[04:06] <shawarma> GNULinuxer: In terms of... ?
[04:06] <bob2> it's fastest for SOME things
[04:06] <bob2> it's also very new
[04:06] <bob2> and reiser has a history of issues
[04:06] <GNULinuxer> shawarma> in terms of file access & creation
[04:07] <Seveas> jaardsi, they have to fix up the wiki again :)
[04:07] <Pihl> Great, that was what I hoped for. I just read different approaches and was in doubt :)
[04:07] <Seveas> GNULinuxer, and in terms of unrecoverable crashing :)
[04:07] <jaardsi> Seveas, yeah... Just wondering if anybody would have them backed up or something.
[04:07] <GNULinuxer> shawarma> it's different since all file systems just store file names in balanced trees ... ReiserFS stores files themselves in balanced trees
[04:07] <j23tom> Is there any good gui tool to mount partitions on freshly added hard disk ?
[04:07] <bob2> j23tom: no
[04:08] <j23tom> :(
[04:08] <Seveas> jaardsi, http://shawn.cybermagellan.com
[04:08] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> i am using ReiserFS (not 4) for quite a long time ... nothing like that happened
[04:08] <bob2> j23tom: www.ubuntuguide.org
[04:08] <jaardsi> Ta!
[04:08] <Seveas> j23tom, fat32/ntfs partitions?
[04:08] <Pihl> Thx for the answer! I guess Ill be hanging around here for a long time from now on ;)
[04:09] <j23tom> fat32
[04:09] <Seveas> j23tom: Download and run http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/windows_fstab to make your windows partions mount automatically
[04:09] <thoreauputic> GNULinuxer: a sample size of one is not a statistically useful benchmark ;)
[04:09] <shawarma> GNULinuxer: http://bhhdoa.org.au/pipermail/ck/2004-December/001804.html
[04:09] <j23tom> hmm thx :)
[04:09] <shawarma> GNULinuxer: Not exactly unambiguous.
[04:10] <nalioth> Seveas: you continue to amaze me
[04:10] <zooko> GNULinuxer: lwn.net releases their articles gratis after 7 days.  However, I do encourage people to subscribe.  The price is very cheap, they are a small, community-oriented publication with high-quality content.
[04:10] <shawarma> GNULinuxer: "I did the above procedure (3) three times for each filesystem. Below are my results. reiser4 consistently untars the kernel 4 seconds quicker. However, xfs consistently compiles the kernel 40 seconds faster."
[04:10] <Seveas> nalioth, hmm?
[04:11] <madsen> Anyone packaged LinCity-NG for Ubuntu?
[04:11] <reka> thoreauputic: you reminded me of this: "people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that." </Homer> =)
[04:12] <bob2> madsen: it's annoying to build
[04:12] <nalioth> Seveas: how do you find all this stuff?
[04:12] <bob2> madsen: I did package it on the weekend
[04:12] <GNULinuxer> shawarma> the talk is about ext3 vs reiserfs 4
[04:12] <bob2> I should upload it somewhere
[04:12] <Seveas> nalioth, i MADE that script :)
[04:12] <GNULinuxer> shawarma> ext3 will be much slower
[04:12] <madsen> bob2: Cool!
[04:12] <zooko> Reiser 4 is the most interesting platform for fs research which is also fast enough and almost stable enough to be widely deployed.
[04:12] <Seveas> because i couldn't find one :)
[04:12] <thoreauputic> reka: right, and 86.34 % of statisitics are wrong ;)
[04:12] <nalioth> Seveas: well, i guess thats the best way to find something
[04:12] <madsen> bob2: I can't get their autopackage working...
[04:12] <thoreauputic> *statistics
[04:12] <bob2> madsen: I wouldn't bother with that
[04:13] <bob2> madsen: just compile the tarball
[04:13] <bob2> madsen: I'll get you the list of needed packages, one sec
[04:13] <shawarma> GNULinuxer: I never mentioned ext3. zooko was sorry that reiser4 maybe wasn't going to be in the kernel, and I just don't get why people feel that way, when we have xfs.
[04:13] <shawarma> GNULinuxer: And yes, ext3 will be much slower. That's true.
[04:13] <bob2> XFS tends to replace files with NULLs when it crashes, tho
[04:13] <madsen> bob2: Hmm... I'd rather wait for someone to package it... I'm trying to keep my system .deb only. The autopackage thingy was bad enough.
[04:13] <bob2> madsen: hah
[04:13] <madsen> bob2: But thanks. :)
[04:13] <bob2> madsen: np
[04:13] <madsen> bob2: ?
[04:14] <GNULinuxer> shawarma> if you want benchmarks, read this http://namesys.com/benchmarks.html
[04:14] <thoreauputic> madsen: use checkinstall and it will make a deb for you
[04:14] <madsen> thoreauputic: Really?
[04:15] <thoreauputic> madsen: yup. ./configure && make && sudo checkinstall
[04:15] <thoreauputic> just install checkinstall
[04:15] <madsen> thoreauputic: Gotta check that out. Sounds good! :)
[04:15] <thoreauputic> madsen: it isn't a fully debianised deb, but for local use it will be fine
[04:16] <nalioth> madsen: checkinstall is great when compiling your own soft, it keeps your system in order (re pkg management)
[04:16] <madsen> thoreauputic: Hehe, I was just about to ask about that.
[04:16] <mdasilva> is there a system log checker package available for ubuntu?
[04:16] <madsen> nalioth: Yeah, it seems so. :)
[04:17] <bob2> mdasilva: about 7 000 of them
[04:17] <bob2> mdasilva: logcheck is nice
[04:17] <mdasilva> im using that one
[04:17] <madsen> bob2: That list of required packages for compiling LinCity-NG would be very welcome then. :)
[04:17] <Rick2> If I want my system to dual boot with ubuntu and xp do I need to get a 2nd hdd or can I run them off the same one?
[04:17] <mdasilva> but it isnt in the repository is it?
[04:17] <nalioth> Rick2: the same one is fine
[04:17] <bob2> mdasilva: of course it is
[04:17] <madsen> Rick2: You can easilly run them on the same, you just need to partition it.
[04:18] <mdasilva> :\
[04:18] <Rick2> ok thank you
[04:18] <nalioth> Rick2: you just have to make room for linux
[04:18] <swoop> hmm just did a search and i couldnt find this file
[04:18] <swoop> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3
[04:18] <Rick2> I've never used linux before so I wasn't sure how to do this
[04:18] <swoop> that would of course explain why epsxe quits with a message saying it cant be found
[04:18] <mdasilva> apt-cache search logcheck   returns nothing
[04:18] <bob2> mdasilva: wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoryHowto, it's in universe
[04:18] <swoop> anybody know how to get this file installed ?
[04:18] <mdasilva> what utility can i run to reselect which repositories i use?
[04:19] <madsen> Hmm, I guess I could install LinCity-NG from an RPM with alien.
[04:19] <mdasilva> thanks bob
[04:19] <Seveas> swoop, it's part of glibc, and it is installed by default...
[04:19] <bob2> Seveas: no
[04:19] <bob2> swoop: install libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2
[04:19] <bob2> (it's in universe)
[04:19] <Seveas> hmm..?
[04:20] <Seveas> hmm....
[04:20] <bob2> it's an old old old thing
[04:20] <Seveas> ahh :0
[04:20] <bob2> that proprietary binary-only software builds against
[04:20] <Seveas> :|
[04:20] <bob2> because it was in like redhat 1.0 or something
[04:20] <Seveas> Redcrap galore once again...
[04:21] <swoop> Seveas, hmm wierd that it complains about it being missing then
[04:21] <Seveas> swoop, it's not installed by default, listen to bob2, he's smarter than me :)
[04:22] <thoreauputic> Seveas: you're pretty high in the pecking order, though ;-)
[04:22] <swoop> Seveas, well i did hehe.. but even after the install nothing works hehe
[04:23] <swoop> at least it doesnt complain about missing files though
[04:23] <swoop> bob2, thanks .. got me a little further... but epsxe still doesnt have sound :(
[04:23] <seifu> hey... wondering if anyone knows to change the drive [cd]  that Ubuntu looks for when installing pkgs from the cdrom repository, i.e. my laptop has two drives, I installed ubuntu from the modular one, which isn't always in the machine, so I want to change the config, to let Ubuntu think/use the other drive as the standard when looking for pkgs from the install CD
[04:23] <bob2> I don't know what "epsxe" is
[04:24] <swoop> Playstation emulator bob2 ;)
[04:24] <swoop> should be working, and it does if i disable the sound plugins
[04:24] <thoreauputic> seifu: apt-cdrom add <your CD>
[04:24] <bob2> oh
[04:24] <nalioth> seifu: why not just remove the cd from consideration?
[04:24] <j23tom> when i tried to reinstall freenx it says: nxlibs: require: libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-21) ale 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13
[04:24] <swoop> but no matter what sound plugin i use, i just get the app hanging when booting
[04:24] <thoreauputic> seifu: then coment the other one out of your list
[04:24] <j23tom> what can i do with tahat ?
[04:25] <seifu> thoreauputic: hmmm... k, will try that
[04:25] <seifu> nalioth: like to keep the cd there, just in case
[04:25] <bob2> j23tom: you need packages that work on ubuntu
[04:25] <bob2> j23tom: those do not
[04:25] <odie5533> How can I check how much memory/cpu cycles a process is using?
[04:25] <bob2> j23tom: or to build it from source yourself
[04:25] <mdasilva> is warty newer than hoary?
[04:25] <bob2> odie5533: top
[04:25] <bob2> mdasilva: no
[04:25] <mdasilva> hoary is new?
[04:26] <odie5533> bob2: thanks
[04:26] <j23tom> thx bob
[04:26] <bob2> odie5533: but "how much memory" is a more complex question than you think
[04:26] <odie5533> oh
[04:26] <chrissturm> swoop, did you try "killall esd" before starting it?
[04:26] <thoreauputic> mdasilva: warty came before hoary
[04:26] <reka> bob2: you wouldn't happen to know how to scroll top's output would you?
[04:26] <swoop> esd ? what is that im killing chrissturm ?
[04:26] <bob2> reka: is that possible?
[04:26] <j23tom> Is there any binary rep for ubuntu ? (with freenx)
[04:26] <chrissturm> swoop, the sound daemon, it blocks the sound device
[04:26] <reka> bob2: er, obviously not. :-)
[04:26] <swoop> WORKS !!!!!
[04:26] <mdasilva> thanks for the clarification
[04:26] <swoop> wow !
[04:27] <swoop> hmmm and this doesnt affect the system after i quit the emulator ?
[04:27] <chillywilly> Seveas: it is definitely something with that newer kernel because everything works fine with the older one...it hangs right before it's about to render the desktop
[04:27] <thoreauputic> good ol' esd strikes again... :/
[04:27] <swoop> i mean do i need to restart it later on ?
[04:28] <Seveas> thoreauputic, it's not for no reason that it'll be ditched for Breezy
[04:28] <Juhaz> swoop, only if you want to hear the annoying windows-ish sound effects from gnome when clicking buttons and so on
[04:28] <reka> bob2: i'm just wondering if that is the full list... even if i maximise the terminal the list reaches the bottom.
[04:28] <chrissturm> swoop: you can just start it again with "esd &"
[04:28] <thoreauputic> Seveas: indeed
[04:28] <bob2> reka: it won't be
[04:28] <swoop> okay thanks... im running the emu from a script, so i can jus add killall esd before it runs, and then restart before quit ;)
[04:28] <bob2> reka: I don't know how to access the ones off the bottom, aside from changing the sort order
[04:28] <swoop> thanks a bunch for the help ! D
[04:28] <mdasilva> can anyone point me to a page that discusses what this universe multiverse thing is?
[04:28] <swoop> now basically i have everything running on my new laptop and can enjoy learning linux through ubuntu :D
[04:28] <Seveas> mdasilva, www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components
[04:28] <reka> bob2: ok then.  i guess it's not that important anyway.
[04:29] <nalioth> !Restricted
[04:29] <ubotu> I guess restricted is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats
[04:29] <bob2> reka: it'd be a good feature request, I think
[04:29] <bob2> tho I'm sure someone would have asked for that by now
[04:29] <reka> bob2: would they bother? isn't top "mature"?
[04:29] <nalioth> mdasilva: read what ubotu said about restriced
[04:30] <bob2> sure, that doesn't mean it can't have features added, tho
[04:30] <Seveas> nalioth, hmm, I don't think he meant that...
[04:31] <hpnadig> does anybody know workaround for this one: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-39499.html ?
[04:31] <Seveas> hpnadig, yes: don't use Breezy
[04:31] <alicia> Anyone know a good music download program for linux??
[04:32] <bionic> limewire.com
[04:32] <alicia> is limewire free?
[04:32] <ericz> there's a free version
[04:32] <reka> 'lo bionic, how goes the gaming?
[04:33] <hpnadig> Seveas: well, I've commented out the breezy repositories now and run apt-get update... but still
[04:33] <alicia> Has anyone ever used DC++
[04:33] <bionic> reka, havent tried anything yet, still playing q3 :p
[04:33] <seifu> nalioth: cheers, worked like a charm
[04:33] <hpnadig> alicia: limewire free version is a nagware
[04:33] <Seveas> hpnadig, well duh, you're already running breezy...
[04:33] <alicia> hpnadig, what's nagware?
[04:33] <Seveas> just commenting out the breezy repositories will not magically downgrade...
[04:34] <hpnadig> alicia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagware
[04:34] <sproingie> hpnadig: that's a step up from what it used to be, which was spyware
[04:34] <madsen> Uh! Anyone tried Nexuiz?
[04:34] <bob2> hpnadig: you can't downgrade, in future don't use development versions if you're not a developer
[04:34] <m0r0n> Although lsof -l /mnt/callit/ prints no output, /mnt/callit is still busy when attempting to umount it. What does that mean?
[04:35] <hpnadig> bob2: ok, np. But is there a workaround for the issue?
[04:35] <Seveas> yes, reinstalling Hoary...
[04:35] <hpnadig> hmm...
[04:35] <madsen> bob2: You can downgrade... I downgraded Apache and PHP on my server...
[04:35] <madsen> bob2: That was pure Debian however.
[04:35] <Seveas> madsen, we're talking about downgrading a whole system
[04:36] <bob2> madsen: downgrading from a broken development release to a stable one is a lot more complicated than that
[04:36] <madsen> Seveas: Oh! Sorry then...
[04:36] <bob2> hpnadig: lots of things get uninstallable in breezy
[04:36] <bob2> hpnadig: you have to wait for it to be fixed
[04:36] <darkmantux> Hi of Spain
[04:36] <darkmantux> ;-)
[04:36] <madsen> bob2: Yeah, I see.. Didn't realize we were talking about an entire system... Sorry.
[04:36] <bob2> not a problem
[04:37] <hpnadig> bob2: ok.
[04:37] <hpnadig> anyways, what package is the libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.9 on the repository?
[04:38] <hpnadig> wondering if there's a way I can install that and get to see synaptic again
[04:38] <bob2> hpnadig: no, sorry
[04:38] <bob2> hpnadig: wtf, you let it remove synaptic?
[04:39] <bob2> if you're going to use breezy, you at the very very least check what apt wants to do
[04:40] <hpnadig> yep, I realise that.
[04:40] <Seveas> hpnadig, really, reinstall hoary...
[04:41] <hpnadig> Seveas: maybe not, I'll try if I can come out of this issue.
[04:41] <chrissturm> hpnadig, what issue do you have?
[04:41] <Seveas> chrissturm, a lack of clue ;)
[04:42] <f> hi everyone!
[04:42] <Seveas> No, an apt problem in breezy...
[04:42] <Seveas> hi Mr. F
[04:42] <Dj_AlTeK> hey every1
[04:42] <hpnadig> chrissturm: same as this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-39499.html
[04:42] <thoreauputic> f, your nick is too long...
[04:42] <thoreauputic> ;)
[04:42] <Seveas> muha :)
[04:42] <Seveas> try |
[04:42] <f> I just installed Ubuntu on my Thinkpad T21. And I am feeling very good! I am new to IRC, so excuse me if I should not be speaking like this!
[04:43] <Seveas> happy birthday!
[04:43] <thoreauputic> f welcome :)
[04:43] <Dj_AlTeK> thanx
[04:43] <Seveas> f, welcome to Ubuntu (and #ubuntu)
[04:43] <f> I dont know how to set my nick here .. My original nick was not accepted.
[04:43] <Dj_AlTeK> brb gotta call my aunt
[04:43] <shawarma> f: /nick yournewnick
[04:43] <thoreauputic> f your nick is fine ;)
[04:43] <Dj_AlTeK> type /nick <insert nick here>
[04:43] <Bader> Seveas: should I contact mako by mail?
[04:44] <Seveas> Bader, or via IRC
[04:44] <Seveas> but mail is better i think :)
[04:44] <amitabh> testing
[04:44] <amitabh> ok, f is gone.
[04:44] <Seveas> hehe :)
[04:44] <thoreauputic> amitabh: nope, you don't exist :)
[04:44] <amitabh> :-)
[04:45] <amitabh> I am very excited for some reason!
[04:45] <thoreauputic> amitabh: what did you want to ask, anyway, after all that....
[04:45] <nalioth> alright, time for work
[04:45] <hpnadig> chrissturm: any pointers regarding that?
[04:45] <thoreauputic> amitabh: yeah, Ubuntu does that to people :)
[04:45] <amitabh> nothing. Just opened firefox, saw that there is a channel called ubuntu on FreeNode and came here.
[04:45] <Seveas> hahaha
[04:46] <amitabh> haha, ok. Looks like a cool distribution.
[04:46] <nalioth_wrkn> amitabh just wanted to share his excitement
[04:46] <thoreauputic> amitabh: ah, I see - well that's great :)
[04:46] <amitabh> :-)
[04:46] <Dj_AlTeK> hey nalioth
[04:47] <amitabh> thanks guys! so long.
[04:47] <Dj_AlTeK> cya amitabh
[04:47] <tripz__> hi.. i wanna run php5 in ubuntu.. is there any inofficial packages.. or what to do?
[04:47] <nalioth_wrkn> Dj_AlTeK: yes?
[04:47] <Dj_AlTeK> oh nothin just saying hi
[04:47] <Seveas> tripz__, there are instructions on the wiki
[04:47] <nalioth_wrkn> Dj_AlTeK: alrighty then, and happy birthday to ya
[04:48] <tripz__> thanks
[04:49] <thoreauputic> reka: we're so nice he can't drag himself away ;)
[04:49] <thoreauputic> modest too, of course...
[04:49] <nalioth_wrkn> reka: its cause you guys are so interesting (i watch screen as i get ready for work)
[04:50] <reka> thoreauputic: yes, but what percentage of us are?  statistics please. :)
[04:50] <cyberix> Is it hard to get Ubuntu run on Hurd?
[04:50] <thoreauputic> reka: exactly 78.99423 % of us are nice
[04:50] <thoreauputic> ;)
[04:50] <cyberix> What is the biggest reason why it can't work by just apting the kernel and choosing it when booting
[04:51] <reka> :)
[04:51] <sewoyl> hi! is there any way to get ATI 3D hardware accelleration with xorg ?
[04:51] <Seveas> cyberix, Ubuntu is quite tuned to the Linux kernel...
[04:51] <nalioth_wrkn> cyberix: if you get ubuntu working on the Hurd, you will be an Iron Chef
[04:51] <jmjones> sewoyl: what video card?
[04:52] <sewoyl> jmjones, mobility 9700 (got it to work in ubuntu 4.10 with XFREE)
[04:52] <reka> sewoyl:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:53] <jmjones> sewoyl: check out the fglrx package
[04:53] <Choubaka> cyberix: yes.
[04:53] <reka> nalioth_wrkn: hopefully not the italian one ... how come he never gets to cook?
[04:53] <jmjones> sewoyl: xorg-driver-fglrx
[04:53] <Choubaka> cyberix: I would assume hurd doesn't run linux binaries :P
[04:53] <sewoyl> jmjones, sweet thanks !
[04:53] <nalioth_wrkn> reka: saw him cook ONCE
[04:53] <sewoyl> jmjones, sorry for not searching myself :(
[04:53] <Choubaka> cyberix: you'd have to port all the linux code to hurd and compile it.
[04:53] <nalioth_wrkn> ok guys, i'm walkin the dog and out the door
[04:53] <reka> missed it...did he win?
[04:54] <jmjones> sewoyl: np - you might want to check out that url that reka shot you.
[04:55] <sewoyl> reka thanks
[04:55] <sewoyl> I hant notices you were two differents guys :p
[04:55] <sewoyl> handt noticed*
[04:55] <sewoyl> lol hadnt
[04:57] <sewoyl> gotta reboot :)
[04:57] <paulfox> afternoon all
[04:58] <jamie_k> could anyone help me do a network install onto a laptop with no optical drive? i have a machine in the same room on the network running hoary...
[04:58] <paulfox> does anyone know how i can set up my webserver so that i can have an evolution calendar on there?
[04:59] <Seveaz> jamie_k, search the wiki
[04:59] <jamie_k> paulfox: i do know that webcalendar is compatible with evolution
[04:59] <Seveaz> there is a localnetworkinstall page
[04:59] <jamie_k> Seveaz: will do, thank you very much.
[04:59] <fetman> I need help with my DVI-D screen for xorg!
[04:59] <paulfox> webcalendar, i'll look it up. thanks jamie_k
[04:59] <jamie_k> Seveaz: does it sound do-able on the face of it?
[04:59] <jamie_k> paulfox: np
[04:59] <cyberix> So it would be better to install Debian GNU/Hurd instead of trying to make Ubuntu run on GNU/Hurd
[05:00] <Seveaz> jamie_k, yes :)
[05:00] <leeb`xdcc> i need to install ubuntu on a laptop without a cdrom drive. i only an external have a floppy drive. i found a how-to, but the howto says i need to copy the linux kernel and the ram drive to c:\boot. but the ram drive is 4,5mb, so it doesnt fit on a floppy. what can i do?
[05:00] <Seveaz> cyberix, Debian, definitely
[05:05] <leeb> cant anybody help me? :(
[05:05] <Howitzer> I was wondering
[05:05] <Howitzer> i like to play games
[05:05] <cbnz123> just ask, maybe some1 will
[05:06] <Howitzer> and, is it safe to install games from Universe and Multiverse from synaptic?
[05:06] <mjr> Howitzer, pretty much
[05:06] <Vjaz> Of course it is.
[05:06] <RLF> Hello, I recently installed Windows on my second partition. Lo and behold, GRUB disappeared. Ubuntu guide helped me restore GRUB, though. Now GRUB shows up fine, except when I added a new entry for windows (hda0, 1)--location of the windows partition is /dev/hda1, but GRUBs fails to load windows and prompts various parameters and GRUB afterwards, after I select windows. Any workaround to this? thanks.
[05:06] <Vjaz> Well, you might end up addicted or something.
[05:06] <Howitzer> lol
[05:06] <Howitzer> i'm addicted to bzflag :D
[05:07] <Howitzer> but ehh, how do you get your files on to synaptic thingy?
[05:07] <cbnz123> I think that u need to install first windows and then ubuntu
[05:07] <gpd> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[05:07] <gpd>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallWithFloppiesHowto
[05:07] <fnoy> when i try to download flash player my firefox says "XML phrasing error: not well formed"
[05:08] <cbnz123> dont know why, but thats what a lot say
[05:08] <dedalus> hi i've a prob with fonts
[05:08] <RLF> damn, but i thought ubuntu guide mentioned otherwise
[05:08] <RLF> hmm
[05:08] <dedalus> i have too small fonts that i can't read
[05:08] <RLF> that's a lot of work to do
[05:08] <sewoyl> reka, thanks looks like it worked
[05:09] <RLF> so not solution, at all, as far as you know, cbnz123?
[05:09] <sewoyl> dedalus, you can go to the 'system' menu > 'preferences' > 'font'
[05:09] <reka> sewoyl: np
[05:09] <RLF> *no
[05:09] <cbnz123> no
[05:09] <RLF> ah. crap
[05:09] <thoreauputic> RLF: I think you'll find /dev/hda1 is (0,0) in grub-speak
[05:09] <selinium> Are there any 64bit users out there? I am considering installing it a work. Is is any better/quicker? Are there any issues unique to 64bit? Cheers :)
[05:09] <cbnz123> you can go ask in their forums to see what they say
[05:10] <fnoy> when i try to download flash player my fierfox says says "XML phrasing error: not well formed"
[05:10] <mjr> selinium, it works nice enough, issues have mostly to do with if you want to run proprietary 32-bit stuff
[05:10] <yuacht> selinium, i suggest u go with 32bits instead... 64bits is a bit faster but you get lots of problems with it that isn't solved yet
[05:10] <fnoy> whats wrong??
[05:11] <Howitzer> If you have a 64bit processor, you can only run 64bit progs smoothly? :/
[05:11] <Ahmet_S> hi all....i wanna ask something... is the l10n and i18n packages in ubuntu same with debian..Does ubuntu have Turkish l10n and i18n like debian
[05:11] <bob2> Howitzer: if you mean "amd64" instead of "64bit", no
[05:11] <selinium> yuacht mjr: does the 32bit install on a 64bit machine then? I am looking to run a development webserver on it.
[05:11] <Howitzer> oh oaky
[05:11] <gpd> RLF: https://wiki.ubuntu.com//RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[05:11] <bob2> Howitzer: you can install the i386 port of ubuntu if you care about binary-only software
[05:11] <RLF> thoreauputic, i tried (0,0), but it loads Ubuntu instead
[05:11] <Seveaz> Ahmet_S, yes...
[05:11] <mjr> selinium, it does install
[05:12] <mjr> selinium, though, hmh, for a devel webserver I don't see much issues with the 64-bit version, but maybe you use some exotic stuff
[05:12] <thoreauputic> RLF: ah, Ok then you meant hda2 for windows, i guess ?
[05:12] <Howitzer> but is an AMD64 faster then a regular 32bit?, if so, why?, if not, what is the point then?
[05:12] <bob2> Howitzer: yes, it is
[05:12] <bob2> Howitzer: part of it is becase in 64-bit mode an amd64 has a lot more registers
[05:12] <Howitzer> oh
[05:13] <sewoyl> .... too hot here in Belgium .... ... ...
[05:13] <Howitzer> so i can do a lot more things at the same time?
[05:13] <Howitzer> lol
[05:13] <bob2> Howitzer: no
[05:13] <Howitzer> i live in Belgium as well
[05:13] <reka> sewoyl: it's freezing here. :)
[05:13] <Howitzer> Antwerp=@34c
[05:13] <sewoyl> hi Howitzer :)
[05:13] <RLF> thoreauputic, yeah, hda2 is windows. gpd, I'll check the link out, although i'm trying to recover windows after recovering ubuntu :P
[05:13] <sewoyl> Howitzer, ooh only 29 in my room!
[05:14] <selinium> mjr: no anything exotic... just the usual apache php mysql with a few mods like GD
[05:14] <Howitzer> lol sew
[05:14] <selinium> hi thoreauputic:  :)
[05:14] <Howitzer> sewoyl, with the pc, it's 35c here :'(
[05:14] <thoreauputic> selinium: greetings, selinium :)
[05:14] <sewoyl> Howitzer, cant wait till i get that 'fan plate' I bought for my laptop, its almost melting
[05:14] <Howitzer> lol
[05:14] <selinium> mjr yuacht: thanks for your advice!
[05:15] <Howitzer> oeh
[05:15] <Howitzer> damn
[05:15] <Howitzer> need to go
[05:15] <mjr> selinium, I wouldn't be wary of the 64-bit version then, but YMMV
[05:15] <Howitzer> Bye all!
[05:15] <mjr> sure
[05:15] <selinium> mjr: YMMV ? FLA's not my strongest point!
[05:16] <thoreauputic> selinium: Your Mileage May VAry
[05:16] <selinium> cheers thoreauputic LOL :)
[05:16] <Dj_AlTeK> hey ne1 here know where i can get libicu28-dev?
[05:16] <phinnaeus> can someone help me find the file wkdev.sh? i am trying to set up lm sensors
[05:17] <bob2> phinnaeus: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[05:17] <phinnaeus> that was easy
[05:17] <bob2> Dj_AlTeK: why?
[05:17] <bob2> Dj_AlTeK: and it's in ubuntu
[05:17] <selinium> mjr: I assume there are different repositories then? for 64bit...
[05:17] <Dj_AlTeK> bob2: im trying to compile wine
[05:17] <bob2> Dj_AlTeK: wine is in ubuntu, too
[05:18] <phinnaeus> ohhh my bad
[05:18] <phinnaeus> it isnt wkdev it is mkdev.sh
[05:18] <bob2> you don't need to make device nodes
[05:18] <bob2> udev will do it for you when the lm_sensors modules are loaded
[05:18] <bob2> unless they're buggy
[05:18] <mjr> selinium, different architecture directory on the repositories, yes
[05:18] <mjr> selinium, should be quite transparent
[05:19] <mjr> selinium, of course, if you use some extra repos, they might not provide amd64
[05:19] <phinnaeus> i am following this guide: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2780
[05:19] <selinium> mjr: Thanks again for your help! :)
[05:20] <yuacht> selinium, np
[05:25] <Jimmothy> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net stable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[05:25] <fefe> what is the name for samba's autoconfig tool?
[05:25] <Jimmothy> apt-get seems to have become broken
[05:26] <slipjig> I've installed ssh-server, but I can't get into this box from others on the network.  I'm getting "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)".  Any clues as to what I should check?
[05:26] <bob2> Jimmothy: a) those packages don't work on ubuntu, b) "sudo apt-get update"
[05:27] <gpd> RFL: you need root (hd0,1) not (hda0,1) possibly
[05:27] <Jimmothy> when running sudo apt-get update it errors at the end and says i should apt-get update to fix
[05:28] <Jimmothy> so i'm kind of stuck
[05:28] <dan_> we al are
[05:28] <thoreauputic> Jimmothy: I think the nerim/marillat repos have changed the naming, but in any case you shouldn't use Marillat any more
[05:29] <Jimmothy> is there a file i can change to correct it?
[05:29] <eriepa> Is there anyway to download packages for Ubuntu on a windows machine and install them on linux machine via a cd?
[05:30] <thoreauputic> Jimmothy: just comment it out in /etc/apt/sources.list  - what packages do you need from MArillat? They are probably available elsewhere
[05:30] <justin> Jimmothy: W is for WARNING not ERROR
[05:30] <bob2> fefe: do you mean swat?
[05:30] <colmore> Hello, has anyone here had success setting up Ubuntu on a tablet PC with a Wacom digitizer?  I have a new Toshiba R10, and I'd love to get my Gimp on...
[05:31] <bob2> fefe: and leave #debian
[05:31] <fefe> bob2: ok..
[05:31] <fefe> bob2: any idea about the name?
[05:31] <bob2> 01:30:35           bob2 | fefe: do you mean swat?
[05:32] <fefe> bob2: no
[05:32] <bob2> I'd be surprised if the debian and ubuntu source packages differed very much
[05:32] <Jimmothy> as always, thank you :)
[05:32] <Dj_AlTeK> hey how do i get the config file for wine??
[05:32] <Dj_AlTeK> cuz i cant find it in ~/usr/bin
[05:33] <colmore> there's a separate config package for wine, did you download that?
[05:33] <bob2> Dj_AlTeK: no config file is ever going to be in there
[05:33] <Dj_AlTeK> bob2: where is it gonna be then?
[05:33] <reka> Dj_AlTeK: it wouldn't be.  iirc /usr/bin holds executables
[05:33] <bob2> Dj_AlTeK: /etc/
[05:33] <Dj_AlTeK> colmore: i used synaptic
[05:33] <bob2> assuming you installed the Ubuntu package
[05:33] <bob2> if you mean your user config, then ~/.wine/
[05:33] <Dj_AlTeK> bob2: i used synaptic to install wine
[05:33] <synd> thank god for lawyers
[05:34] <colmore> right, in synaptic there's a package called winesetuptk
[05:34] <colmore> menu based config for wine, did you get that as well?
[05:35] <Dj_AlTeK> colmore: i didnt see it when i searched wine
[05:35] <Dj_AlTeK> colmore: dont i have to add a repository for that??
[05:35] <reka> synd: i'm intrigued.  have you been arrested? :-)
[05:35] <colmore> possibly, i've turned on all repositories on mine
[05:36] <synd> reka, i was about a month ago. spend the night in jail. class D felony charge and a misdemeanor
[05:36] <colmore> actually bob2 was right, go to your home directory cd .wine
[05:36] <Dj_AlTeK> colemore: should i download this winesetuptk file: winesetuptk_0.7-1.1_i386.deb
[05:36] <synd> today was my final court hearing
[05:37] <odyssey> can anyone suggest and easy to podcast client that has a gui?
[05:37] <colmore> there's a file in that hidden folder called "config"
[05:37] <reka> synd: mind me askng what you did?
[05:38] <Dj_AlTeK> colmore: should i download this winesetuptk file: winesetuptk_0.7-1.1_i386.deb
[05:38] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: stop thinking in terms of downloads of individual files: if you  can't find it in synaptic you need extra repositories
[05:39] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: what does ` apt-cache search winesetuptk ` say?
[05:39] <Dj_AlTeK> should i run that as root?
[05:39] <thoreauputic> no
[05:39] <colmore> yeah, use synaptic, things get hectic if you don't
[05:39] <Dj_AlTeK> i mean in root terminal or in user terminal thoreauputic
[05:40] <colmore> ok so sorry to pester, but again, has anyone had any luck getting a tablet PC with a Wacom digitizer to work with ubuntu?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: normal or root, doesn't matter - it is only a search
[05:40] <colmore> (yes i've read through the linuxwacom howtos)
[05:40] <TokenBad> if used wine or cedega to install a game...how do you uninstall it?
[05:40] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: BTW it's in universe
[05:40] <bob2> colmore: better off asking on the mailing list
[05:40] <Dj_AlTeK> thoreauputic: i dont get any response when i search
[05:41] <colmore> heh, i have, i'm just impatient
[05:41] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: then you need to add repositories
[05:41] <din> how do i disable gdm in ubuntu?
[05:41] <thoreauputic> !repositories
[05:41] <ubotu> rumour has it, repositories is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[05:41] <synd> reka, crim possession of a forged instrument (fake ID), and driving on a suspended license
[05:41] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: ubotu tells you above
[05:41] <Dj_AlTeK> i mean i already know how to add repositories, i just need to know which ones
[05:41] <colmore> ok, well, more specifically, is anyone familiar with the setserial command?
[05:42] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: universe in this case
[05:42] <Dj_AlTeK> hey there Seveas
[05:43] <din> does no one know? :)
[05:43] <Seveas> din, wouldn't know, what's the problem :)
[05:44] <reka> synd: ah, sorry.  i'm a nosy bastard aren't i? :-)
[05:44] <din> i want to disable gdm on boot
[05:44] <eriepa> Is it easy to compile packages on Ubuntu?
[05:44] <Seveas> din, update-rc.d -f remove gdm
[05:44] <din> it's terribly annoying
[05:44] <Seveas> eriepa, yes
[05:44] <synd> reka, haha its ok. its public info anyway : )
[05:44] <colmore> Dj_AlTeK, could it hurt to add them all?
[05:44] <lcdd> din: change the default runlevel
[05:44] <din> Seveas, cool, thx
[05:45] <Seveas> din, update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[05:45] <Seveas> my mistake :)
[05:45] <din> yeah, i got it
[05:46] <thoreauputic> lcdd: no on debian distros you have only 1 and 2 as runlevels to play with so changing the runlevel isn't the answer here
[05:46] <din> i installed ubuntu on my desktop at work, and i must say, I love it.
[05:46] <thoreauputic> lcdd: graphical runlevel is 2
[05:46] <Seveas> eriepa, please ask before starting a private conversation... And asking in the channel is generally better since there are more smart people in here ...
[05:47] <lcdd> thoreauputic: why is that?
[05:47] <eriepa> Sorry there Seveas. Your the only one in 7 channels who has answered a single question.
[05:47] <thoreauputic> lcdd: I didn't design the distro so I don't know :)
[05:48] <Seveas> lol :)
[05:48] <thoreauputic> lcdd: but that's how it works
[05:48] <Seveas> eriepa, well you can easily download packages on another machine and transfer them to your ubuntu machine...
[05:48] <thoreauputic> lcdd: type `runlevel` and you'll see it's 2
[05:49] <A[D] minS> king tk build dir... using tk library in /usr/lib
[05:49] <A[D] minS> ./configure: line 3156: /usr/lib/tkConfig.sh: No such file or directory
[05:49] <A[D] minS> checking*
[05:49] <eriepa> How can I do that Seveas?
[05:50] <Seveas> eriepa, you can download them via packages.ubuntu.com
[05:50] <eriepa> really?
[05:50] <Seveas> A[D] minS, install tcl8.4-dev
[05:50] <Seveas> or better: tk-dev
[05:51] <A[D] minS> tcl8.4-dev is already the newest version.
[05:51] <A[D] minS> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 25 not upgraded
[05:51] <Seveas> tk-dev then :)
[05:51] <A[D] minS> ok tk-dev
[05:51] <A[D] minS> thx Seveas
[05:51] <A[D] minS> :)
[05:52] <TokenBad> if used wine or cedega to install a game...how do you uninstall it?
[05:54] <_dw> Hi. How can I tell xorg to use "Generic", instead of its attempt to use the vendor...
[05:55] <Seveas> set it correctly in xorg.conf ..?
[05:55] <rancorus> I am trying to use gtkpod-aac but everytime I want to write a song in the mp4 format it asks me to compile the mp4v2 library. Is there any way I can do that ?
[05:56] <_dw> Seveas: if I just replace "SyncMaster" (that's what it has), with "Generic", x doesn't start up
[05:56] <Seveas> rancorus: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[05:56] <Seveas> _dw, hmm, then you must remove the SyncMaster specific entries too
[05:56] <Seveas> maybe dplg-reconfigure xserver-xorg can help you there
[05:56] <Seveas> dpkg-reconfigure
[05:57] <_dw> Ah, of course. Thanks.
[05:57] <_dw> will do now
[05:58] <Dj_AlTeK> thoreauputic: i updated my repositories
[05:58] <_dw> brb
[05:58] <Dj_AlTeK> should i download winesetuptk now?
[05:58] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: have you done ` sudo apt-get update ` ?
[05:59] <rancorus> Seveas: Those pages gives you info on how to create aac formats but nothing on the library
[05:59] <cyberix> If I connect to IPv6 services trought freenet6
[05:59] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: if so, try installing winesetuptk, yes
[05:59] <Dj_AlTeK> thoreauputic: yea and i searched for winesetuptk in synaptic i find it
[05:59] <cyberix> Should I setup my server to use sit interface?
[05:59] <bob2> cyberix: "server"?
[05:59] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: OK you should be good to go then
[06:00] <Dj_AlTeK> thoreauputic: should i use terminal or synaptic to download winesetuptk?
[06:00] <eriepa> Seveas Thank you.
[06:00] <eriepa> Seveas: That is exactly what I was looking for.
[06:00] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: whatever you prefer
[06:00] <Dj_AlTeK> ok
[06:00] <Dj_AlTeK> thanx thoreauputic
[06:00] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: synaptic is just the front-end for apt
[06:01] <Dj_AlTeK> ok
[06:01] <Dj_AlTeK> i have it installed now
[06:01] <Dj_AlTeK> now what do i do?
[06:01] <thoreauputic> cool
[06:01] <cyberix> bob2: Gnunet node in this case
[06:02] <slashzul> how do you set a static ip and hostname on a new ubuntu install
[06:02] <cyberix> bob2: One that would want to communicate trought IPv6
[06:02] <reka> thoreauputic: how long have you been using ubuntu/debian-based distros
[06:02] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: heh - run it? I haven't used it but probably wineset <tab> will complete to the commnad
[06:02] <bob2> cyberix: just make it listen on all interfaces, I'd say
[06:02] <thoreauputic> reka: about 2 and a half years
[06:02] <bob2> slashzul: edit /etc/network/interfaces
[06:02] <bob2> slashzul: hostname is harder, but mostly /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts
[06:02] <thoreauputic> reka: I'm no guru
[06:03] <thoreauputic> reka: bob2 is a guru ;) I'm just an obsessive luser ;)
[06:03] <serj> is reiser the fastest fs?
[06:04] <Ride> hey all
[06:04] <reka> thoreauputic: ah i see.  it was just that "*thoreauputic is used to apt now" sounded like you had only recently "switched" to apt from synaptic
[06:04] <reka> not that synaptic isn't useful :-)
[06:04] <colmore> hey, new question, any way to get wine to stop treating my mouse like a jittery poorly configured joystick?
[06:04] <Dj_AlTeK> hey thoreauputic should i use managed, unmanaged or desktop for wine?
[06:05] <thoreauputic> reka: no, I started with apt, and synaptic is actually harder for me
[06:05] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: I know nothing about wine, sorry
[06:05] <thoreauputic> well, not the software kind, anyway...
[06:05] <bluefoxicy> htf does init work
[06:05] <Dj_AlTeK> ok
[06:05] <bluefoxicy> it sends all processes term, kill
[06:05] <bluefoxicy> then starts telling processes to shut down
[06:06] <bluefoxicy> aren't they all shut down after getting term/kill?
[06:08] <chinat> shuang
[06:08] <Dj_AlTeK> hey does anyone know how to use winetools?
[06:09] <joachim> hi
[06:09] <chinat> hi
[06:09] <chinat> Dj_AlTeK, apt-get install wine
[06:09] <Nightcr8w> greetings everyone
[06:09] <Nightcr8w> question for all
[06:09] <Nightcr8w> how do I get the matrix screensaver working
[06:09] <Dj_AlTeK> chinat: i already have wine installed
[06:09] <chinat> wine <program you want to run>
[06:09] <Nightcr8w> only a few handful work
[06:09] <joachim> I've found a package that is in the wrong section of the Ubuntu repo -- what's the right thing to do? file a bug in ubuntu?
[06:09] <Nightcr8w> but not all
[06:10] <krod> # ls /etc/login.conf
[06:10] <krod> ls: /etc/login.conf: No such file or directory
[06:10] <krod> whoops wrong room.
[06:10] <reka> Nightcr8w: define "won't work".
[06:10] <zooko> Greetings, People of #ubuntu!  I have recently switched back from firefox to galeon, and now I am wondering how to get all my plugins connected again.  xpdf, xmms, etc.
[06:10] <chinat> Dj_AlTeK, if you want a GUI plz install winex
[06:11] <Nightcr8w> reka: In gnome - I can select several screensavers to work and they do but there are a few who do not have a preview and gives you only a blank screen when running
[06:11] <Dj_AlTeK> chinat: apt-get install winex?
[06:11] <chinat> Dj_AlTeK,  yes
[06:11] <Ahmet_S> hi.. i wanna ask:what are the real differences between debian sid and ubuntu?Real differences i mean.. except community.. tools?others?
[06:12] <reka> Nightcr8w: most of those take a snapshot of your current desktop iirc.  you need to enable "grab desktop images" in the advanced section.
[06:12] <chinat> Dj_AlTeK, why not do a "apt-cache search XXX" before you install ?
[06:12] <Dj_AlTeK> and one last question, if i were to install winex would it uninstall wine?
[06:12] <Nightcr8w> reka: gotcha..let me try that out and thanks
[06:12] <Dj_AlTeK> ah forgot about that cmd chinat
[06:13] <chinat> Dj_AlTeK, apt-cache search wine -n        will list program with name include "wine"
[06:13] <mjr> Ahmet_S, ubuntu has a lesser amount of fully supported packages and architectures, but there's some newer packages, especially desktop-related, and fine tuning
[06:13] <EiGHTBALLx> hi
[06:13] <reka> :)
[06:14] <EiGHTBALLx> how do install all dev packages (make gcc g++ etc) into ubuntu at once?
[06:14] <reka> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[06:14] <emilio> /say $ip
[06:14] <EiGHTBALLx> thank you very much ;-)
[06:15] <thoreauputic> reka: beat me that time ;)
[06:15] <EiGHTBALLx> its asking for a password!
[06:15] <reka> thoreauputic: you're easy. it's seveas you have to watch out for. :-)
[06:15] <EiGHTBALLx> i dont know one
[06:15] <Dj_FlyBy[M] > im lovin this new Ubuntu
[06:15] <thoreauputic> reka: hehe
[06:15] <Ahmet_S> mjr, i need net answers.. Newer packages you said? Newer than sid? Fine tuning? Give examples
[06:15] <zooko> Hrm.  Maybe I should follow the instruction for how to install plugins for Mozilla/Firefox?
[06:16] <zooko> xmms and xpdf Just Worked with firefox.  What do I do to make them work with galeon?  Hm...
[06:16] <Ahmet_S> mjr: of course: what more ? tools...
[06:16] <EiGHTBALLx> sorry... it works now!
[06:17] <reka> zooko: maybe something with preferences?  afaik xpdf and xmms don't have browser plugins.  i've always set them up to do auto-open when a mp3 or pdf file is clicked on.
[06:18] <zooko> Oh.  That's my problem.  I'm saying "plugin" when what I really want is the old "handle this file type with this executable" configuration.
[06:18] <Ahmet_S> , i need net answers.. Newer packages you said? Newer than sid? Fine tuning? Give examples
[06:19] <zooko> reka: How do you tell galeon to use xmms to handle .ogg files?
[06:19] <zooko> Cool!  In the meantime I accidentally got mozplugger to work.
[06:19] <zooko> But that still doesn't help with .oggs.
[06:19] <thoreauputic> Ahmet_S: everyone in here needs answers - some  people even wait for them
[06:19] <joachim> how do I make nautilus refresh to find new scripts?
[06:20] <reka> zooko: i actually reckons you should set it up by selecting an ogg file in nautilus and then do right-click->properties->open with.  then choose xmms as default.  that should do it.
[06:20] <tyan> joachim,  killall nautilus and it will restart automatic
[06:20] <joachim> thx
[06:21] <A[D] minS> what i have to install to load TkCximage ?
[06:21] <Dj_AlTeK> hey i installed wine but now it says wine: command not found
[06:21] <Ahmet_S> thoreauputic:me too. Because i will choose ubuntu or debian. i was formerly a debian user and ubuntu was suggested to me. But i need the differences between them
[06:21] <zooko> reka: Thanks for the suggestion.  Since I don't use nautilus, though, I'll have to figure out what it does under the hood when you do that...
[06:21] <blake__> hellow can someone help me i am haveing trouble with a reposotory loging in that ubuntu's web site gave me
[06:21] <reka> zooko: you're using gnome though right?
[06:21] <zooko> reka: Well, not really.
[06:22] <zooko> I'm using galeon, but my "desktop" is ratpoison, bash, xemacs...
[06:22] <a2ps> in your opinion what is better for video playing? videolan or mplayer? i want a player that supports the maximum types of codecs and containers, windows media video, quicktime, H.264, dvd, xvid, divx, etc
[06:22] <Davey> Galeon crashes for me everytime I try to open up the preferences window :/
[06:22] <zooko> I figure that properties->open with. thing must edit a text config file somewhere...
[06:22] <blake__> i added the reposotory but one of them sais log in failed
[06:22] <zooko> Davey: I'm using galeon right now and I can open the preferences window.
[06:22] <zooko> I'm using galeon from breezy.
[06:23] <blake__> and the other one logsin
[06:23] <zooko> a2ps: I like mplayer.  Haven't tried videolan.
[06:23] <blake__> i got the adress from ubuntu
[06:23] <a2ps> does mplayer support H.264 ?
[06:23] <thoreauputic> Ahmet_S: one difference is the 6 month release cycle
[06:23] <spiderworm> hey all, in text editors in ubuntu/gnome, when i select multiple lines and press tab, i expect that it would tab out all the lines, but instead it replaces the line with a tab.  i cant find an option in any of the editors im using, and am wondering if maybe there's a global option somewhere to make it so that it would tab out the lines in all editors...
[06:23] <reka> zooko: i'll leave it to you.  my knowledge ends at that nautilus step. :)
[06:24] <zooko> reka: okay, thanks.  :-/
[06:24] <Nightcr8w> thanks for the help reka
[06:24] <Nightcr8w> later
[06:24] <reka> Nightcr8w: did it work?
[06:24] <zooko> a2ps: I don't know about H.264, but I have the impression that mplayer supports all possible formats.
[06:24] <zooko> I'll get googling for mplayer h.264 will tell you...
[06:24] <Nightcr8w> reka: that was one part
[06:24] <Nightcr8w> reka: I also had to run "http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557
[06:25] <Ahmet_S> thoreauputic:well... if i use sid.. there is no newer release.. so no need of releases.. apt-get dist upgrade rulez! what more can you tell about ubuntu
[06:25] <Nightcr8w> opps
[06:25] <Seveas> spiderworm, wy would you expect this behaviour?
[06:25] <Nightcr8w> reka: I also had to change my driver from nv to nvidia
[06:25] <Nightcr8w> and it got it working
[06:25] <Seveas> no editor that I know does this...
[06:25] <reka> spiderworm: what do you expect when you select lines and press a character.  the option to auto-tab is usually in an editor's preferences
[06:25] <spiderworm> Seveas: are you joking me?  ever used an html editor?
[06:25] <Seveas> spiderworm, several..
[06:25] <spiderworm> Seveas: than im surprised you would ask me that
[06:25] <thoreauputic> Ahmet_S: if you are happy with Debian, stick with it - I used it for 2 years and it's a great distro
[06:25] <Seveas> on linux,mac and windows..
[06:26] <spiderworm> windows, and kde
[06:26] <joachim> ok, I've put some scripts in ~/.gnome2/nautilus-scripts and I've refreshed Nautilus, but I still don't see the scripts menu. what am I doing wrong?
[06:26] <reka> Nightcr8w: ah i see.  good work.
[06:26] <Seveas> If you select text and hit a random character, all editors will replace the selected text with the character...
[06:26] <thoreauputic> Ahmet_S: It isn't a competition - you're welcome to use either :)
[06:26] <litzlair> taczh
[06:26] <joachim> oh hang on
[06:26] <joachim> maybe they're not executable
[06:26] <spiderworm> but regardless, i need the functionality.  gedit doesnt have the option, bluefish doesnt, screem doesnt and wont save files anyways for some reason...
[06:27] <spiderworm> it's really slowing me down
[06:27] <Seveas> spiderworm, insert the tabs at the correct time: when you write the line
[06:27] <justin> spiderworm: what does "tab out all the lines" even MEAN in the first place?
[06:27] <Seveas> auto-indent is an option in most editors
[06:27] <Seveas> justin, I assume insert tabs at the beginning...
[06:28] <peterlybert> hi
[06:28] <Seveas> hello
[06:28] <Seveas> that was a short visit :D
[06:28] <joachim> there's no way to rename a file by just clicking the name is there>
[06:28] <spiderworm> Seveas: you sound like an idiot.  what if i'm not the person that created the files in the first place.  what if the client needs something changed and i have to enclose a large chunk of code in another set of tabs.
[06:29] <Seveas> joachim, right click -> rename
[06:29] <joachim> yeah, got that
[06:29] <spiderworm> Seveas: if the option doesnt exist, just say it doesnt exist
[06:29] <spiderworm> not hard
[06:29] <joachim> I meant just by clicking the name, like on other GUIs
[06:29] <Seveas> spiderworm, don't just insult people
[06:29] <spiderworm> Seveas: back at ya
[06:29] <iratsu_> gtkpod-aac should be able to import m4a files, right?
[06:30] <chrissturm> hmm, how can i downgrade a package?
[06:30] <Seveas> chrissturm, aptitude install packagename=version
[06:32] <nibs> hi
[06:32] <nibs> i'm new with ubuntu
[06:32] <nibs> i have an AMD64
[06:32] <nibs> must i install 64bit version or x86?
[06:32] <lcdd> nibs: both work
[06:34] <nibs> i've read that 64bits has less packages than x86
[06:34] <zooko> nibs: I'm happy with 64 bit Ubuntu.
[06:34] <bob2> that's not really true
[06:34] <zooko> The only limitations I encounter are either non-free packages (which I can work-around by installing 32-bit libs) or specialty things like valgrind.
[06:34] <bob2> if you don't care about binary junk, you're fine
[06:35] <nibs> do you use eclipse/apache2/mysql/php5?
[06:35] <bob2> oh, and valgrind
[06:35] <bob2> php5 isn't in ubuntu anyway
[06:35] <zooko> nibs: yes eclipse, apache2, mysql all work fine
[06:35] <nibs> ok
[06:35] <zooko> haven't actually used mysql though.
[06:36] <nibs> and about repositories
[06:36] <nibs> i will only need standard?
[06:37] <nibs> and about flash players?
[06:37] <zooko> nibs: not sure about flash players.
[06:37] <bob2> if you need binary junk, use i386
[06:37] <bob2> that includes the non-free flash plugin
[06:37] <zooko> Okay, I've figured out that what I want is *not* "plugins" but "helper applications".  Can anyone tell me how to configure helper applications in galeon?
[06:38] <chrissturm> anyone using the pango 1.9 packages with breezy?
[06:39] <nibs> ok, thanks
[06:40] <Dj_AlTeK> hey how can i get .dll's that ive downloaded in .zip into a folder where i dont have permission to write to?
[06:40] <reka> chrissturm: if you're experiencing problems, i'd ask if you've read the topic yet.
[06:41] <Chetic> Is there an Ubuntu package for effectv? I'm in Windows at the moment..
[06:41] <iratsu_> gtkpod-aac should be able to import m4a files, right?
[06:41] <reka> Chetic: yep
[06:41] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: sudo cp sourcefile destination/directory/
[06:41] <justin> Chetic: packages.ubuntu.com
[06:42] <bob2> Dj_AlTeK: cd /usr/lib/win32 ; sudo unzip /path/to/w32codecs.zip
[06:42] <Dj_AlTeK> thanx thoreauputic
[06:42] <Chetic> reka, Really? :D That's extremly awesome, thanks
[06:42] <Chetic> justin, oh I wasn't aware of that, thanks
[06:42] <zooko> Ah, here is the thread for me. http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=6908516&forum_id=6199
[06:42] <chrissturm> reka: thx
[06:42] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: after you copy them you can delete the sourcefile, of course
[06:42] <lcdd> is it possible to use the non-free flashplugin on amd64 if i recompile web browser(s) for 32bit arch?
[06:43] <thoreauputic> Dj_AlTeK: you could have used the mv command actually, sorry about that
[06:44] <bob2> lcdd: that's not how it works
[06:44] <bob2> lcdd: you can make an ubuntu i386 chroot and just install and run packages normally in there, if you really care
[06:44] <A[D] minS> amsn
[06:44] <A[D] minS> Picture.tcl: TkCximage not loaded........ how i can load it?
[06:44] <bob2> lcdd: or maybe the i386 firefox .tar.gz from mozilla.org will run with ia32-libs installed
[06:44] <bob2> A[D] minS: you know amsn is in ubuntu, pre-compiled, right?
[06:45] <A[D] minS> yes
[06:46] <lcdd> bob2: it's not that i need it, but i'll try the easiest way anyway
[06:47] <jamie_k> hello all again: is it acutally possible to do  a network install *without any disk other than primary hard disk* on the target machine?
[06:48] <bob2> sure
[06:48] <bob2> assuming your hardware can PXEboot
[06:48] <bob2> modern ibm laptops and desktops can
[06:48] <bob2> so can new world macs (afaik)
[06:48] <jamie_k> bob2: hardware can pxe
[06:49] <bob2> then it's easy
[06:49] <zooko> Okay!  The answer to my problem was: "sudo debfoster desktop-file-utils".
[06:49] <bob2> install tftpd-hpa and a dhcp server on another machine
[06:49] <zooko> Thanks, everyone!  Now galeon is passing files to the appropriate helper apps.
[06:49] <bob2> drop the netboot stuff in /var/lib/tftpboot/
[06:49] <bob2> boot and enjoy
[06:49] <bob2> oh, after configuring the dhcp server, true
[06:50] <jamie_k> bob2: page that describes this is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//NetbootInstallHowto?
[06:50] <jamie_k> bob2: so the part about 'building the etherboot floppy' is not necessary if your machine has pxe natively?
[06:51] <dorris> Hi, anyone got a hand to offer a struggling user
[06:51] <bob2> yup
[06:52] <dorris> Just got an acer travelmate 8103 today
[06:52] <dorris> was all excited, until I got the hoary cd out
[06:52] <dorris> and it jams at "Uncompressing linux... OK, booting kernel" in stage 1 of install
[06:52] <jamie_k> bob2: thx a mill
[06:53] <dorris> tried running with noapic, and nolapic, and vga=771 (Ithink was the num), it the booted, and after cd-rom detection, gave a striped screen, and got no further
[06:53] <bob2> dorris: nothing else prints at all?
[06:54] <dorris> nope
[06:54] <bob2> are you sure the cd burnt ok?
[06:55] <dorris> its been installed on several of my pc's already
[06:56] <dorris> ati X700 graphics
[06:56] <dorris> if that helps
[06:57] <bob2> very odd
[06:58] <justin> dorris: hit f1,f2,f3 etc until you see the one that talks about boot options...
[06:58] <justin> dorris: one of them is like debian-installer/framebuffer=false or something, use that
[06:58] <dorris> let me try
[07:02] <dorris> any other ideas
[07:02] <[TD] Porno> http://www.monstersgame.de/?ac=vid&vid=8997
[07:02] <Seveas> tss
[07:02] <xiaomai> how does one go about getting a debian package into the ubuntu repositories?
[07:03] <bob2> xiaomai: it should happen automatically atm
[07:03] <Seveas> xiaomai, most of them are..
[07:03] <bob2> let me check
[07:03] <Seveas> which package?
[07:03] <xiaomai> Seveas, chewing
[07:03] <xiaomai> Seveas, chewing-scim libchewing, etc
[07:03] <Tomcat_> What automounting system does Ubuntu use?
[07:03] <Seveas> hmm, apt-cache search shows nothing
[07:04] <bob2> Tomcat_: gnome-volume-manager
[07:04] <Seveas> add it to UniverseCandidates on the wiki then with your motivation on why it should be included :)
[07:04] <xiaomai> haha, ok  thanks
[07:04] <Tomcat_> Thanks bob2.
[07:04] <bob2> pretty sure it's still autosyncing
[07:05] <bob2> we'll find out if this package I'm going to uplaod to sid makes it into breezy tommorwo
[07:05] <Seveas> :)
[07:05] <Seveas> it's still autosyncing
[07:05] <Seveas> but maybe it's ftbfs?
[07:05] <bob2> tawt so
[07:06] <x_or> How do I set the hostname with Ubuntu?  Edit /etc/hostname, run the hostname program, or modify another configuration file?
[07:06] <andrre> estoy tratando de configurar una vpn me puede alguien ayudar
[07:06] <bob2> you can't, in general
[07:06] <xiaomai> x_or, yeah
[07:06] <bob2> well, you can, but not simply
[07:06] <bob2> edit /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
[07:06] <xiaomai> x_or, run hostname -F /etc/hostname after you edit the file
[07:06] <bob2> then grep /etc/ for the old one
[07:07] <Seveas> libchewing builds on breezy
[07:07] <Seveas> but i don't see chewing
[07:07] <Seveas> maybe it's simply in the scim package?
[07:07] <xiaomai> Seveas, sorry, it might just be libchewing, chewing-data, and chewing-scim
[07:07] <xiaomai> Seveas, yeah...
[07:07] <coolkev> ok i need to know how i can make a torrent
[07:07] <coolkev> in linux
[07:07] <xiaomai> Seveas, i can dpkg install the plain old deb on Hoary too
[07:07] <Seveas> well, there are no packages starting with chewing
[07:07] <coolkev> whats a program
[07:07] <Seveas> even in breezy
[07:08] <xiaomai> *libchewing-data (sorry)
[07:08] <bob2> coolkev: presumably btmakemetafile
[07:08] <goldfish_> hey guys, i want to connect to my linux desktop, via a windows envirnment through vnc, what do i need to install on the ubuntu side of things?
[07:08] <xiaomai> Seveas, you say that it's already in breezy? does that mean i shouldn't add it to the wiki?
[07:09] <Seveas> indeed :)
[07:10] <xiaomai> cool
[07:10] <deviant> hello
[07:10] <deviant> guys, i have a masquerade problem
[07:10] <psirix> is there anyway to find out what packages are available to download for apt-get?
[07:10] <psirix> i need xml parser and can't find it
[07:10] <crazyhorse> deviant, you arent a vampire, are you? ;)
[07:10] <Seveas> deviant, then don't dress up ;)
[07:11] <djm62> psirix: apt-cache search xml
[07:11] <jago> can any one help to configure a vpn
[07:11] <psirix> thanks
[07:11] <deviant> hehe, funny
[07:11] <djm62> psirix: or use the search in synaptic
[07:11] <Seveas> sorry, it's too warm to stay serious in here :)
[07:11] <psirix> where can i find synaptic?
[07:11] <Seveas> psirix, system -> administration -> synaptic package manager
[07:12] <deviant> i`ve added this rule to iptables: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE
[07:12] <deviant>  , but i still don`t have internet connection from that machine
[07:12] <deviant> any sugestions ?
[07:13] <Seveas> you need 2 rules in the POSTROUTING table
[07:13] <debugger> hi
[07:13] <joachim> anyone using liferea?
[07:14] <thoreauputic> joachim: yes
[07:14] <Seveas> deviant, mind if i /msg you?
[07:14] <psirix> thanks djm62 and seveas
[07:14] <deviant> Seveas: not at all
[07:15] <crazyhorse> deviant, echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[07:16] <deviant> crazyhorse: permision denied
[07:16] <Seveas> ooh, good one...
[07:16] <Seveas> sudo echo ...
[07:16] <crazyhorse> deviant, sudo...
[07:17] <thoreauputic> I think he'll have to use tee
[07:17] <Seveas> crap, indeed :)
[07:17] <deviant> crazyhorse: doesen`t work dude
[07:17] <Seveas> echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
[07:18] <thoreauputic> right
[07:18] <joachim> what does "now" mean next to a version in synaptic?
[07:18] <crazyhorse> arr yes right Seveas
[07:18] <deviant> crazyhorse: 1
[07:19] <Seveas> deviant, that's ok
[07:19] <crazyhorse> yep
[07:19] <dorris> so, bob2/justin, anyone else got an idea? for travelmate 8104?
[07:19] <Seveas> now it should work with the correct masquerades rules
[07:19] <crazyhorse> deviant, you need to reapply the echo after every reboot
[07:19] <deviant> Seveas: here is the rule: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE
[07:20] <thoreauputic> dorris: just a shot in the dark - maybe you could try a "server" install , tehn try to install X and ubuntu-desktop etc ?
[07:20] <thoreauputic> dorris: if that can get you past the boot up problems...
[07:20] <tuxtheslacker> hello.
[07:20] <deviant> ok, it is working
[07:21] <deviant> now, somebody can tell me what the hell that echo 1 stuff does?
[07:21] <crazyhorse> deviant, fine ;)
[07:21] <skel__> lalalalal
[07:22] <dabar> hi, anyone have a clue how ZI could find out why on this particular install of Warty>HOary, I am totally having an unstable gnome, its all crashing, gaim just closed on me, I had trouble with xmms freezing even after setting up esd(when I killed esd, and restard\ted it, restarted xmss, now it works) So basically, can I find out wtf it is so unstable?(it used to be fine on other installas.
[07:22] <tuxtheslacker> has anoyne managed to get the ndiswrapper working under ubuntu wiht a broadcom  BCM4309
[07:22] <crazyhorse> deviant, it makes your machine allowing ip forwarding at all
[07:22] <tuxtheslacker> cuz when I try to install ndiswrapper, it tells me to go away. It throws up error 2, and tells me it doesn't find a dir.
[07:22] <bob2> dorris: I don't, sorry.  try asking on mailing list maybe?  and if it doesn't work, please do file a bug; breezy should have TOTALLY AWESOME(tm) laptop support.
[07:22] <dorris> will try
[07:23] <djm62> dabar: is it just gnome?
[07:24] <thoreauputic> bob2: do you think a bare-bones install might work, followed by ubuntu-desktop etc as I suggested? Or is the problem deeper than I thought?
[07:24] <dabar> DUnno, have not tried. Also it freezes up every time when I do sudo mount /dev/hda2 /whatever, that partition seems to be broken, but the whole system completely freezes w3hen I mount it, I have to cold reboot.
[07:24] <bob2> thoreauputic: it might work
[07:24] <thoreauputic> hmm
[07:25] <dabar> So, you guys think there is a way to find out? I really did nothing special so far.
[07:26] <jago> I need help can one told how to install a openvpn?
[07:26] <dabar> Meaninng, Ive installed epiphany, xmms, mplayer, xine-ui, proftpd, I think bitchx, thats it.
[07:26] <thoreauputic> dabar: do you/ did you have any 3rd party repos like marillat on warty?
[07:26] <bob2> dabar: does it affect other users?
[07:26] <dabar> no, I dont, neither.
[07:26] <dabar> bob2, so far only user, should I try that?
[07:26] <bob2> jago: just install the package like you would any other...
[07:27] <bob2> dabar: yes
[07:27] <thoreauputic> dabar: OK just a check...
[07:27] <djm62> dabar: is there any way to get your data off the system?  it might be interesting to find out, but it might take longer than installing hoary freshly
[07:27] <tuxtheslacker> anyone use ndiswrapper?
[07:27] <psai_> how can i listen to podcast rss seeds with ubuntu
[07:27] <dabar> ok, Ill do that right now. Maybe it was a fluke with the gaim, and a little initial confusion with bmp and xmms.
[07:27] <djm62> psai_: you can use ipodder
[07:27] <dabar> djm62: what do you mean get data off the system?
[07:28] <dabar> I can reinstall without damaging data(partitions).
[07:28] <djm62> dabar: oh, cool...just to be on the safe side
[07:28] <psai_> djm62 : is there a package in universe or multiverse ?
[07:28] <dabar> yeah, it worked out for the first time so far that I was able to just reinstall my OSs, and not damage any data.
[07:29] <dabar> ok, Im gonna wait to see if anything else crashes, and then try another user. THanks.
[07:29] <nlivemx> what i have to do to install xmms because i get that msg whan using apt-get "This may mean that the package is missing.."?
[07:29] <thoreauputic> nlivemx: enable the universe repository
[07:29] <nlivemx> and how? :}
[07:30] <thoreauputic> !repositories
[07:30] <ubotu> repositories is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:30] <nlivemx> ty
[07:30] <thoreauputic> nlivemx: ^^^^
[07:30] <djm62> psai_: sadly not
[07:30] <nlivemx> ive just instaled ubuntu.. dun laugh :}
[07:30] <thoreauputic> nlivemx: welcome to Ubuntu then :)
[07:30] <nlivemx> ;}
[07:30] <skel__> :0
[07:30] <skel__> congrats
[07:30] <skel__> i am 1 week ubuntu liver
[07:31] <skel__> :P
[07:31] <psai_> djm62: i'm trying the source package , thx anyway
[07:31] <tuxtheslacker> anyone?
[07:31] <jago> I have done intalling the package from openvpn but whats next
[07:32] <skel__> whats the newest reportioies list
[07:32] <skel__> that i can add to my sources list
[07:33] <jago> I dont now how to followed the next steps in the web page
[07:33] <xiaomai> skel__, what do you mean--breezy?
[07:33] <skel__> i guess
[07:33] <skel__> in snayticv
[07:33] <skel__> snaytic(
[07:34] <thoreauputic> skel__: umm - don't add breezy
[07:34] <xiaomai> skel__, unless you want to be running an unstable beast, you should probably just stick w/ the repositories you're already using
[07:34] <thoreauputic> unless you like broken systems, that is
[07:34] <skel__> oh
[07:34] <psychonate> Nessus is a pretty neat little tool
[07:34] <skel__> does ubuntu change or update them?
[07:34] <xiaomai> skel__, was there some particular peice of software you needed to update?
[07:34] <skel__> gdesklets
[07:35] <thoreauputic> skel__: especially if you 've only been using Ubuntu for a week...
[07:35] <skel__> i got a odler version all i found in syantic
[07:35] <coolkev> how come I can't open a torrent file a text view to see it's content
[07:35] <djm62> skel__: ubuntu has a 6-month cycle, following gnome.
[07:35] <xiaomai> skel__, you'd probably be better off just downloading the source-code and compiling it by yourself then
[07:35] <dabar> Why would my totem player give me an error that it could not start a gstreamer object?
[07:35] <skel__> oh....
[07:35] <skel__> how lcose it to the 6 months?
[07:35] <skel__> close*
[07:35] <djm62> coolkev: right-click on the icon, and use gedit, or whatever
[07:35] <thoreauputic> xiaomai: hrm - he's only been using Ubuntu for a week
[07:35] <skel__> like 3 days :P
[07:35] <djm62> skel__: october
[07:36] <skel__> alrighty
[07:36] <dabar> failed to create gstreamer play object as soon as I double click an mp3.
[07:36] <xiaomai> thoreauputic, oh
[07:36] <dabar> or an mpg.
[07:36] <xiaomai> thoreauputic, linux for 3 days, or ubuntu for 3 days?
[07:36] <thoreauputic> xiaomai: :)
[07:36] <dabar> Or anything, in fact.
[07:36] <thoreauputic> xiaomai: not sure on that one
[07:37] <skel__> i jsut joking sayign the new ubunttu coming in "3 days"
[07:37] <djm62> skel__: it's usually worth keeping to stable, since the updates aren't usually adding much core functionality.  you still get security upgrades delivered
[07:37] <nlivemx> ok i opened synaptic.. im searching xmms, but that program finds only wma codecs for mms.. what i have to do? (sorry for poor EN..)
[07:37] <skel__> alright sounds good
[07:37] <dabar> Failed to create the player: Couldn't initialize scheduler.  Did you run gst-register? that is the error music player gives.
[07:37] <nlivemx> skel__, need help! :}
[07:37] <skel__> one day i will be a ubuntu pro: )
[07:37] <dabar> gst-register is not a command on my console.
[07:38] <thoreauputic> nlivemx: you need the universe repository - see below
[07:38] <Dj_AlTeK> w00t!
[07:38] <thoreauputic> !repositories
[07:38] <ubotu> somebody said repositories was http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[07:38] <Dj_AlTeK> i got steam to run under wine!
[07:38] <xiaomai> hey, does anyone know how to make it so that only particular fonts are bigger? i'm trying to talk to some chinese kids but the fonts are just to small to make out.  if i make my general application font size larger though, the english is *way* too big. can i just make it so that chinese fonts are displayed at 14 or whatever?
[07:38] <djm62> dabar: do locate gst-register
[07:39] <dabar> nice.
[07:39] <Dj_AlTeK> the olny problem now is that i cant login on steam :(
[07:39] <dabar> djm62: nice, thanks, I think that will fix the gstreamer issues.
[07:39] <dabar> very good!
[07:40] <Dj_AlTeK> hey does anyone know how to login on steam using wine??
[07:40] <dabar> it was gst-register0.8 or something.
[07:41] <skel__> ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian what if i added that to my sources list?
[07:41] <skel__> could i get more appz?
[07:41] <thoreauputic> dabar: if you have a command like that that appears not to exist, try hitting tab
[07:41] <dabar> skel, you would have a better chance of ruining your comp.
[07:41] <thoreauputic> dabar: it would have completed to gst-register-0.8 or whatever
[07:41] <skel__> <---thinking about it....
[07:41] <bddebian> skel__: Did you already add Universe and Multiverse?
[07:41] <skel__> pretty sure i have
[07:42] <djm62> skel__: quantity of apps isn't a great way measure a computer...get what you need/want
[07:42] <xiaomai> skel__, maybe you should just dump your sources.list in #flood
[07:42] <Dj_AlTeK> can i get some help here??
[07:42] <nlivemx> thoreauputic, thank you dude :}
[07:42] <thoreauputic> skel__: don't mix repositories - you will have no end of trouble
[07:42] <skel__> then add what sources list
[07:42] <Funraiser> Dj_AlTeK, just create an account
[07:42] <skel__> what one do u all use
[07:42] <dabar> skel__: do this with exttraneous repos(extraneous...) put them in sources.list, comment them out. And when you hear there is an app(or version) in that repo that you want, uncomment, update, install only that app, and then comment out the repo again, and then update again. That way you know what you did.
[07:43] <thoreauputic> skel__: just the default ones, plus multiverse if you wish
[07:43] <skel__> were cxan i find that list thoreauputic
[07:43] <thoreauputic> skel__: so universe and mutiverse plus the existing ones
[07:43] <skel__> unbuntu only Os he dont wanna mess it up :P
[07:44] <thoreauputic> skel__: you already have it, in /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:44] <skel__> i changed it a few times
[07:44] <skel__> to get appz i wanted
[07:44] <dabar> thoreauputic: yeah, thanks, I guess that would have been wise...but, it said did you run gst-reghister(and I really rarely run into stuff that is liek that, has a version number in the command name...
[07:44] <skel__> but maybe i havent i dont know (sigh)
[07:44] <thoreauputic> dabar: yeah, it's an odd one :)
[07:44] <skel__> i hate being linux noob
[07:44] <albacker> what does this mean ?? what to do  :
[07:44] <albacker> /usr/lib/Acrobat5/Reader/intellinux/bin/acroread must be executed from the startup script.
[07:45] <xiaomai> albacker, don't run the binary like that... there should be a startup script in /usr/bin or something
[07:45] <thoreauputic> dabar: I discovered a whole heap of gnome apps by typing gnome- <tab> <tab>
[07:45] <djm62> skel__: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list  and the lines that start with # are ignored by the computer
[07:45] <dabar> ah, yeah, that yes...
[07:45] <xiaomai> xiaomai, you could just use xpdf or gnome-pdf or something though
[07:45] <albacker> xiaomai, ok thanks
[07:45] <skel__> gotcha
[07:46] <dabar> I also loook like that when I am searching for some gnome app when in a diff wm...
[07:46] <skel__> now i there
[07:46] <dabar> soccmom?
[07:46] <socomm> 
[07:46] <dabar> hehe
[07:46] <skel__> what should my back ports be i always get a error on those
[07:46] <unome> !mic
[07:46] <ubotu> unome: Are you smoking crack?
[07:47] <dabar> !backports
[07:47] <ubotu> [backports]  http://backports.ubuntuforums.org/
[07:47] <skel__> thank u
[07:47] <skel__> :)
[07:47] <dabar> read the red text
[07:47] <thoreauputic> skel__: I suggest you not use backports, frankly
[07:47] <dabar> try asking ubotu first too, I do that on #debian
[07:47] <skel__> why so?
[07:47] <dabar> skel__: as I said, it is an extraneous repo, use it only like I specified...
[07:48] <skel__> adding idiviual packages...
[07:48] <dabar> only get an app, yes.
[07:48] <skel__> gotcha
[07:48] <skel__> :)
[07:48] <thoreauputic> skel__: if you *must* use it, comment it out after you get what you needed
[07:48] <flipy> is there any site to download a breezy iso image for amd64?
[07:48] <dabar> DOnt keep it in your sources.list uncommented., cause then when you do sudo aptitude upgrade, or whatever the command is,...you get all the updates from backports?(meaning, very unstable system).
[07:48] <refuze2looze> flipy, it's not recomended you use breezy yet..
[07:49] <albacker> i dont know why in this acroread5 i cant use scroll and why i cant get acroread 7 from the repos.
[07:49] <thoreauputic> dabar: right on ;)
[07:49] <dabar> yeah, I told a good story about it...
[07:49] <xiaomai> any snmp experts in here?
[07:49] <skel__> ok
[07:49] <skel__> thank u all very much
[07:49] <skel__> :)
[07:49] <socomm> flipy: Any reason as to why you wanna run brezzy?
[07:49] <nlivemx> does xmms need mp3 codec or smth? it stops repsonding and i dont know how to close/kill him.. ://
[07:50] <xiaomai> nlivemx, killall -9 xmms
[07:50] <flipy> well, I know, but the only lack of ubuntu is that don't recognaize my bios raid (even the wifi is detected!), so I though that maybe breezy supports it
[07:50] <socomm> nlivemx: `killall -9 xmms'
[07:50] <lcdd> why do people use ubuntu when they obviously want bleeding edge, broken and unstable? :)
[07:50] <socomm> Or `xkill'
[07:50] <joachim> can hibernation work on desktop machines?
[07:50] <thoreauputic> nlivemx: in options/ preferences enable the esound output plugin
[07:50] <dabar> welcome
[07:50] <xiaomai> joachim, why would you want to hibernate a desktop?
[07:50] <thoreauputic> nlivemx: in xmms
[07:50] <nlivemx> ok.. thanks
[07:50] <test1> hi all
[07:51] <joachim> while I'm away eating dinner, xiaomai
[07:51] <dabar> lcdd: is that a question?
[07:51] <flipy> socomm, refuze2looze: well, I know, but the only lack of ubuntu is that don't recognaize my bios raid (even the wifi is detected!), so I though that maybe breezy supports it
[07:51] <lcdd> dabar: not really, no :)
[07:51] <xiaomai> joachim, technically there should be a way... but i've always heard it's discouraged on unix boxen (especially for just short periods of time)
[07:51] <dabar> ok
[07:52] <joachim> hmm... pity. don't geeks care about global warming?
[07:52] <dabar> oh, yeah, another thing that is unstable...when I right click a file, and click properties, nautilus shuts down, and restarts...
[07:52] <refuze2looze> joachim, isn't it good enough to just turn the monitor off
[07:52] <thoreauputic> joachim: just use xscreensaver to lock the desktop
[07:52] <dabar> joachim: System>log out>hibernate...
[07:52] <dabar> it is right there,...
[07:53] <joachim> it doesn't show on my system
[07:53] <dabar> warty?
[07:53] <joachim> hoary
[07:53] <nlivemx> woooooooooohooooooooooooooo mp3 is working!!!
[07:53] <joachim> I upgraded from warty with synaptic
[07:53] <nlivemx> sorry.. im so glad.. :}
[07:53] <dabar> me tooo, muine has that option.
[07:53] <thoreauputic> nlivemx: :)
[07:54] <dabar> nlivemx, I heard from restrictedformats wiki that if you install xmms mp3 support is built in.
[07:54] <kira> can somebody help me have a little problem
[07:54] <nlivemx> dabar?
[07:54] <nlivemx> lietuvis?
[07:54] <kira> hallo
[07:54] <socomm> xmms uses the mpg123 plugin as far as I know.
[07:54] <dabar> no, I am croatian.
[07:55] <nlivemx> ok ok.. thoreauputic is a lifesaver :}
[07:55] <dabar> kira, I can help you with a little problem. Im not sure that is the problem you are having, tho, so please go ahead.
[07:55] <kira> How can i make a link so i installed the newest firefox in opt directory but i want to start firefox typing just firefox
[07:55] <kira> not ./firefox
[07:55] <thoreauputic> nlivemx: hahah - one guy siad I rescue kittens from trees and help old ladies across the street ;)
[07:55] <thoreauputic> *said
[07:56] <dabar> alias firefox='/installed/directory/firefox'
[07:56] <djm62> kira: alias
[07:57] <djm62> kira: or add a launcher to the panel on gnome...
[07:57] <dabar> kira, altho that wil not do any good(well, it did not on my system before) if you are looking for extensions to work, look up forums.
[07:57] <kira> thanx very much yeah great !
[07:57] <kira> it works
[07:57] <thoreauputic> better:  ln -s /path/to/firefox /usr/local/bin/firefox
[07:57] <dabar> ya, it does.
[07:57] <bo> haay!
[07:57] <thoreauputic> that will work with clickable menus as well
[07:57] <bo> is this only english?
[07:57] <ttyS0> how to create .debs ?
[07:57] <dabar> and make usr/local/bin before usr/bin in the path?
[07:58] <thoreauputic> dabar: it is by default in ubuntu
[07:58] <dabar> ttyS0: out of what.
[07:58] <dabar> ok, good, ya that makes sense, completely.
[07:58] <joachim> why does OpenOffice look really ugly on hoary? I'm sure it used to use the gnome widgets before
[07:58] <thoreauputic> dabar: echo $PATH to see
[07:58] <bo> is this only english??
[07:58] <ttyS0> dabar, out of directory
[07:58] <djm62> bo: there are rooms for other languages, like #ubuntu-es
[07:58] <dabar> joachim: cause we like ugly things...
[07:58] <thoreauputic> bo: yes
[07:58] <kira> it is strange if i klick on an link in evolution firefox do not open the link nothing happens
[07:58] <joachim> what I mean is that it's all dark grey
[07:59] <joachim> the rest of my apps are light grey
[07:59] <thoreauputic> joachim: it should use the gnome widgets
[07:59] <dabar> aha, yeah, it uses something else...
[07:59] <djm62> joachim: there is an openoffice2 package which uses the gnome widgets...
[07:59] <thoreauputic> joachim: did you upgrade from warty without ubuntu desktop installed?
[07:59] <dabar> Does anyone know how I can find out why my natilus crashes when I right click on a file, and click on properties?
[08:00] <nlivemx> dabar, in my language your nick means "now" :}
[08:00] <dabar> in mine, it means beaver.
[08:00] <thoreauputic> umm - my open office uses gnome themes on hoary
[08:00] <othernoob> hi, im having problems printing a pdf (20 pages) with my laser printer, which worked fine before and has printed about 700 pages so far.
[08:00] <joachim> thoreauputic, yes, I think so -- the ubuntudesktop package got removed ages ago in a werid dependency glitch
[08:00] <pete> i'm looking to switch my ipod mini for an mp3 player that shows up on the desktop and i can just copy mp3's onto.
[08:00] <djm62> thoreauputic: are you running openoffice2 (preview unofficial etc)?
[08:00] <bo> how can you go to the other languages rooms?
[08:00] <thoreauputic> joachim: I would reinstall it and see if that helps
[08:00] <pete> anyone got suggestions? I'm looking at the zen micro and some of the iriver flash players
[08:00] <thoreauputic> djm62: no
[08:00] <joachim> ok, will try. tx
[08:01] <thoreauputic> joachim: there's a gnome package for OOo as well
[08:01] <pete> ...and it should work with ubuntu (of course)
[08:01] <djm62> bo: what language do you prefer?
[08:01] <thoreauputic> forget the name
[08:01] <ttyS0> ok, let's repeat. how to create .debs out of directory (i've made some changes in .deb file and now i want to install it)? :)
[08:01] <yourghetek> what im i doing wrong? "sudo slocate -u && slocate -n 1 sources.list | sudo nano"
[08:01] <bo> Dutch
[08:02] <msg-me-4-a-game> how do you change the clock in ubuntu
[08:02] <thoreauputic> yourghetek: wtf are you trying to achieve with that?
[08:02] <joachim> whoa.... selecting ubuntu desktop says it wants to install a TON of stuff
[08:02] <dabar> change it how msg-me-4-a-game?
[08:02] <joachim> including things I already have like firefox. ???
[08:02] <msg-me-4-a-game> well
[08:02] <msg-me-4-a-game> when i boot to windows
[08:02] <bo> someone?
[08:02] <msg-me-4-a-game> it changes the time by 6 hours
[08:03] <Seveas> bo, kom naar #ubuntu-nl dan :)
[08:03] <thoreauputic> joachim: you probably still have warty versions of things
[08:03] <msg-me-4-a-game> i used the wrong setting during install of ubuntu
[08:03] <Seveas> typ gewoon /join #ubuntu-nl
[08:03] <djm62> pete: any generic mp3 player will do that, ipod is the exception.  there are apps that will work with the ipod mini.  iriver devices support ogg which is a nice touch
[08:03] <yourghetek> thoreauputic: im making a script called "snano" for example... you wanna finda file and nano it like googles "im feeling lucky"
[08:03] <bo> jah hoe?
[08:03] <joachim> thoreauputic, I ran a smart update off the hoary CD though
[08:03] <thoreauputic> yourghetek: erm... OK
[08:03] <dabar> some of my wmvs dont have video. I have installed w32codecs, gstreamer0.8-* and that.
[08:04] <bo> Seveas, hoe?
[08:04] <lcdd> pete: it's easiest if the player has usb mass storage support, that means you can access it like any removable disk
[08:04] <joachim> I'll try it... but if you don't see me for a while, it'll be because it's broken everything! ;)
[08:04] <Davey> I wonder if gstreamer 0.9 will hit backports soon
[08:04] <trupina_> help
[08:04] <yourghetek> thoreauputic: what?! i think it would be cool... besides it practice
[08:04] <lcdd> pete: at least older iriver flash players didn't have this in their firmware
[08:05] <trupina_> need some help
[08:05] <dabar> go ahead.
[08:05] <trupina_> about bittorent
[08:05] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> has anyone gotten the mail plug in for gkrellm to work right?
[08:05] <djm62> :) people come in here with a virtual gasp of desperation
[08:05] <dabar> some...first few times...
[08:05] <trupina_> what is a meta file
[08:06] <thoreauputic> yourghetek: in the first place, locate returns to the prompt, so your && are useless
[08:06] <Seveas> bo --> typ gewoon /join #ubuntu-nl
[08:06] <Funraiser> guys look at this http://tinypic.com/view.html?pic=68vmhh
[08:06] <othernoob> Seveas. are you familiar with printing problems?
[08:06] <thoreauputic> yourghetek: in the second place i see no logic in what you are doing with locate, and I don't understand why you use slocate
[08:06] <Seveas> othernoob, not too much
[08:07] <lcdd> othernoob: let's hear it, maybe someone here can help
[08:07] <othernoob> Seveas: would you know why my printer just doesn't start printing (printed 700 pages so far) and am trying to print a 20 pages pdf which consists of the same mathmatical stuff than the other 700 pages
[08:08] <Seveas> feed it new paper?
[08:08] <yourghetek> thoreauputic: how else would i find a file and send it straight to nano under root?
[08:08] <Seveas> or ink/toner
[08:08] <othernoob> Seveas: theres about 200 pages for it to print on and my toner still got about 900 pages..the drum still got about 11000 pages
[08:09] <Seveas> no errors on the display of the printer?
[08:09] <othernoob> nope, none :/
[08:09] <Dj_AlTeK> jesus what the hell are you trying to pring??
[08:09] <lcdd> othernoob: you could take a look in /var/log/cups/error_log to see if there's anything odd going on
[08:09] <socomm> Are you using cups?
[08:09] <othernoob> yea i use cups
[08:10] <socomm> othernoob: Try checking your printers status.
[08:10] <othernoob> my printer is a brother hl 2030 using the inofficial brother hl 1250 drivers (recommended on linuxprinting.org)
[08:10] <Hoxzer`> after noob
[08:11] <nlivemx> how to turn off gnome sounds? :P
[08:11] <othernoob> socomm: it appears to be processing the job( the pdf), but eh..i hardly doubt it'd need ~10 mins for 20 pages
[08:11] <njan> nlivemx, crazily, in the System>Preferences>sound menu ;)
[08:11] <pete> lcdd: thanks for the tips. I had thought that the iriver and zen had usb mass storage support. do you know that the zen has it?
[08:11] <thoreauputic> yourghetek: you just end up with a new buffer containing "/etc/apt/sources.list " by piping it to nano
[08:11] <thoreauputic> I mean containing the path, not the file
[08:11] <teleyinex> hi
[08:12] <teleyinex> today and yesterday my hoary is crashing with hal
[08:12] <teleyinex> is this normal?
[08:12] <lcdd> pete: apparently the iriver disk based players do, but other than those, i don't know
[08:12] <teleyinex> when i login in my gnome session I get the error: HAL couldnt be initialited
[08:12] <yourghetek> thoreauputic: yeah i found that out.
[08:12] <othernoob> mmh. /var/log/cups/error_log seems to be fine too
[08:13] <socomm> teleyinex: No.
[08:13] <teleyinex> socomm, and is this a new bug?
[08:13] <teleyinex> where can I search?
[08:13] <nlivemx> what irc clients you are using? everyone x-chat?
[08:14] <socomm> teleyinex: I don't think so, perhaps you've changed something that messes with HAL.
[08:14] <teleyinex> nothing
[08:14] <socomm> Or some sort of faulty hardware.
[08:14] <teleyinex> dunno, cause i reboot and then its solved
[08:14] <dabar> Does anyone know how I can find out why my natilus crashes when I right click on a file, and click on properties?
[08:14] <thoreauputic> yourghetek: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html  << useful
[08:15] <thoreauputic> dabar: have you tried running `strace nautilus ` and seeing what it says when you do that?
[08:16] <mirak> is there an archive handler that doesn't crash
[08:16] <mirak> beside command line
[08:16] <dabar> so I do strace nautilus, and do my thing, right?
[08:16] <mirak> file-roler sucks
[08:16] <squinn> You know, I did something yesterday that I've not done in a long time.
[08:17] <thoreauputic> dabar: right, and a whole lot of stuff spits out into the term ;)
[08:17] <dabar> hehe, one that does not crash:)_
[08:17] <squinn> Saw someone and actually talked to a knowledgeable person -- Linux user -- about running Linux
[08:17] <dabar> oh, wow, even before it opens million things. I dont need those, tho, right?
[08:18] <ompaul> tell me is the subject of an anti swpat stance so off topic for this channel that a useful url should not be handed out - this is for peeps in the eu, people outside will not help the process, we are a little touchy aob the demoracy
[08:18] <Funraiser> squinn, really?
[08:18] <thoreauputic> no, you are only looking for the end when you do the thing that crashes it
[08:18] <dabar> oh, wow, it worked now...
[08:19] <joachim> ok I'm still here :)
[08:19] <joachim> thoreauputic, you were right. it's fixed OOo's widgets!
[08:20] <thoreauputic> joachim: I thought it might ;) Great !
[08:20] <thoreauputic> :D
[08:20] <joachim> thanks :)
[08:20] <dabar> thoreauputic: does the strace fix anything? cause it works now...
[08:20] <thoreauputic> no worries :)
[08:21] <thoreauputic> dabar: no, but running it from terminal might
[08:21] <squinn> Funraiser, yep ype
[08:21] <othernoob> mmh, cant even print a simple text file created with nedit now...
[08:21] <dabar> yeah, it did. Howcome?
[08:21] <thoreauputic> dabar: in which case the problem is in the way it's launched
[08:21] <thoreauputic> dabar: dunno
[08:21] <thoreauputic> dabar: some gnome thing
[08:21] <dabar> ok, good. well, now the one that was launched originally works tooo, so its all good,.
[08:22] <thoreauputic> hmm
[08:22] <thoreauputic> odd
[08:22] <dabar> yeah.
[08:22] <thoreauputic> magic!
[08:22] <dabar> pebcak,,,
[08:22] <othernoob> how do i kill the cups daemon?
[08:22] <thoreauputic> dabar: don't be hard on yourself ;-)
[08:22] <MacScrew> hello all
[08:23] <thoreauputic> othernoob: sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys stop
[08:23] <bddebian> Hello MacScrew
[08:23] <socomm> /etc/init.d/cupsd stop
[08:23] <socomm> Or something like that.
[08:23] <ompaul> the idea of a daemon is that you can't but you can stop it - being a daemon it can restart its self - but if you do what thoreauputic says you will be happy - ripped from the book of daemons 101 :)
[08:24] <dabar> im not, joke...im off.
[08:24] <fnoy> i cant download stuff on my firefox it says xml pasring error: not well-formed
[08:24] <dabar> later
[08:24] <thoreauputic> cupsys methinks - or so saith tab completion
[08:24] <joachim> do firefox extensions cause problems with apt?
[08:24] <socomm> joachim: Probably not.
[08:24] <djm62> joachim: no, they're in your $HOME directory
[08:24] <joachim> I'm getting this error:  trying to overwrite `/var/lib/mozilla-firefox/extensions.d/00classic', which is also in package mozilla-firefox
[08:24] <thoreauputic> joachim: shouldn't - unless the updgraded version doesn't like them
[08:25] <thoreauputic> joachim: try ` sudo apt-get -f install ` without any packages
[08:26] <joachim> thoreauputic, I get the same error
[08:26] <othernoob> mmh. stopped cups, started cups again, didnt help. :/
[08:26] <joachim> should I try just deleting that file?
[08:27] <thoreauputic> joachim: do you have a backport version of firefox or a 3rd party version?
[08:27] <ompaul> othernoob, you asked how to stop it what is you need it to do?
[08:27] <joachim> thoreauputic, when I was on warty I installed the latest FF in my home folder
[08:27] <othernoob> ompaul well, id like to be able to print.. but for some reason my printer doesnt print anymore
[08:27] <ompaul> has it got ink?
[08:27] <othernoob> ompaul, more than enough toner
[08:28] <ompaul> othernoob,  okay it is a better kind of ink :)
[08:28] <thoreauputic> joachim: that shouldn't matter - but that error suggests a conflict of versions
[08:28] <lcdd> othernoob: does 'lpstat -t' list the printer?
[08:28] <ompaul> othernoob, message me the output of lpq
[08:28] <othernoob> lcdd yes
[08:28] <ompaul> othernoob, or stick it in pastebin
[08:29] <joachim> I had hoary's 1.0.2, and before that, warty's 0.9.something
[08:29] <thoreauputic> time to go - 'night all
[08:29] <ompaul> night thoreauputic
[08:29] <othernoob> ompaul it just says that its ready and printing..
[08:29] <justin> joachim: what package are you installing that gives you that error?
[08:29] <joachim> justin, firefox
[08:30] <ompaul> othernoob, emm it should say read and no entries
[08:30] <justin> joachim: what is the exact name of the package
[08:30] <ompaul> othernoob, emm it should say ready and no entries even
[08:30] <ompaul> othernoob, it thinks there is a job in progress
[08:30] <othernoob> ompaul, yea, i still had a nedit file with the text "test" in the jobs..just cancelled it. now it just says ready.
[08:31] <ompaul> othernoob,  now stop it
[08:31] <joachim> justin, 'firefox'
[08:31] <justin> joachim: where did you get a package called 'firefox' from?
[08:31] <othernoob> ompaul okay done
[08:31] <othernoob> restart it ?
[08:31] <justin> oooh, i see
[08:31] <justin> joachim: why are you using breezy?
[08:32] <joachim> justin, I didn't think I was!
[08:32] <ompaul> othernoob, prove it is stopped :-) what is the output of  'ps -auwx | grep cup | grep -v cup'
[08:32] <ompaul> othernoob, prove it is stopped :-) what is the output of  'ps -auwx | grep cup | grep -v grep' Even
[08:33] <goldfish_> what port does remote desktop run on by default?
[08:33] <lcdd> ompaul: grep cupsd$ ;)
[08:33] <justin> joachim: packages.ubuntu.com/firefox packages.ubuntu.com/mozilla-firefox
[08:33] <xliu> Seveas, I just deleted Mozilla-firefox ; all i did was manually delete every package according to the dependency. Seems it is a little complicate, is there a better way?
[08:34] <joachim> all my repositories say 'hoary'
[08:35] <joachim> package 'mozilla-firefox' says dummy transitional package
[08:35] <zukalk> joachim, that package depends on 'firefox' according to synaptic
[08:35] <joachim> hmm. I'll remove backports
[08:36] <xliu> joachim, why to remove backports?
[08:36] <joachim> don't know... I'm starting to get confused
[08:36] <Dj_AlTeK> hey ne1 here know how to downgrade a wine installation using winetools?
[08:37] <Amaranth> eek, firefox from backports?!
[08:37] <oris_wolfbane> hey guys, whats the quickst wiki to set up?
[08:37] <zukalk> Amaranth, what's wrong with the backports?
[08:37] <Amaranth> perhaps breezy backports will be better but for now i'm still saying backports == broken system
[08:38] <joachim> ok...
[08:38] <Amaranth> zukalk: They're fscking backporting gcc4, mono, and firefox
[08:38] <joachim> well in that case I think I've broken everything
[08:38] <dw_> Seveas: I know this is delayed, but what you said made it work just fine, thanks.
[08:38] <joachim> whjen I removed backports from the repo list, synaptic wanted to remove ubuntu-desktop
[08:40] <mandela> hi all newbie here can u help me please
[08:40] <HaRDaWaY> hello
[08:40] <mandela> hi hard
[08:40] <mandela> can u help?
[08:40] <xliu> what's
[08:40] <xliu> mandela, what's the matter?
[08:40] <fnoy_> how do you reinstall firefox?
[08:40] <HaRDaWaY> mandela make your question in the channel...and we try to resolv it
[08:40] <luftdufd> wahts your problem mandela
[08:41] <crazyhorse> fnoy, reinstall firefox? what's the problem?
[08:41] <HaRDaWaY> and sorry for my english
[08:41] <mandela> got me a copy of version 5.04 can i install it alonfside windows??
[08:41] <fnoy_> it says xml parsing error: not well-formed
[08:41] <bddebian> When opening what?
[08:41] <mandela> english is fine!!
[08:41] <crazyhorse> fnoy, try to moving the .mozilla directory in your homedir away that firefox needs to create a new profile
[08:41] <xliu> fony_, i just reinstalled firefox by remove all the packages manually according to the dependency
[08:42] <Seveas> mandela, yes you can :)
[08:42] <xliu> manela,of course you can, i installed Ubuntu and WIndows in one hard disk
[08:42] <mandela> do i boot from cd and is there a partition manager in ubuntu?
[08:42] <xliu> mandela, yes there is
[08:42] <mandela> does it tell you how and how difficult is it?
[08:43] <dw_> Seveas: i had another qustion i was wondering if i culd ask?
[08:43] <thechitowncubs> dw: ask it
[08:43] <thechitowncubs> dont ask to ask
[08:43] <mandela> lol
[08:43] <thechitowncubs> Pet peave in every irc channel
[08:43] <HaRDaWaY> people, can you help me please?, i have toshiba satellite m40-145 (chipset intel915pm, and pci-express), my system stop when it is booting in "starting hotplug subsystem" and another question is..chipset intel 915 pm (centrino) is not support in the kernel yet? i cant activate dma :(
[08:43] <dw_> thechitowncubs: thought I might need to since asking a person in particular, no worry
[08:43] <xliu> manela, the tool is not so easy to use compared with the partitioner in Fedora Core
[08:44] <dw_> i only seem to get sound out of two of my speakers, when I have five
[08:44] <thechitowncubs> is it a 5.1 system?
[08:44] <dw_> sure
[08:44] <mandela> thank you guys ill let you know how it goes and is there any one from south africa here??
[08:44] <dw_> and it worked on other linux systems (and windows)
[08:44] <xliu> mandela, you must get to know some basic concepts of linux file system for using the partitioner in Ubuntu setup
[08:45] <Seveas> dw_, you need to use a plugin for alsa oslt, there are posts about this on the forum
[08:45] <mandela> so should i play with live cd first?
[08:45] <dw_> Seveas: i'll do a search, thanks
[08:45] <xliu> mandela, yes it is a good idea
[08:45] <mandela> thaks guys ill see u all
[08:45] <Seveas> ALL HIDE, GNULinuxer is back :)
[08:45] <mandela> any one from SA here?
[08:46] <xliu> mandela, what is SA?
[08:46] <Seveas> xliu, South Africa
[08:46] <mandela> south africa
[08:46] <delire> or south australia
[08:46] <fnoy> is ther other broser then firefox for ubuntu
[08:46] <xliu> ok, thanks
[08:46] <mandela> or southamerica
[08:46] <GNULinuxer> Seveas> :)
[08:46] <dw_> Seveas: seems to be only one post with "oslt" in it, and it's in the mailing list....
[08:46] <fnoy> browser
[08:46] <mandela> ciao:)
[08:46] <Seveas> dw_, lol :)
[08:47] <Seveas> oslt is short for 'or something like that
[08:47] <Seveas> search for 'surround sound'
[08:47] <dw_> ok, thanks
[08:47] <Seveas> delire, links -g can that too :)
[08:48] <lsuactiafner> root
[08:48] <lsuactiafner> wrong screen
[08:48] <lsuactiafner> lol
[08:48] <goldfish_> lol
[08:48] <delire> Seveas: haven't tried that.. will do!
[08:48] <sewoyl> hello again
[08:49] <Seveas> hi sewoyl
[08:49] <Mondoshawan> hi all
[08:49] <zukalk> hey guys, i wrote a simple sh to move the .deb and .tar.gz from ~ to /usr/local/deb and /tar. it works fine, but when there are no more such files in ~, it says mv: impossvel fazer stat em `*.deb': Arquivo ou diretrio no encontrado
[08:49] <sewoyl> what is polling_frequency in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM ??
[08:49] <zukalk> anyway to solve this? it's a simple mv *.deb
[08:49] <goldfish_> hmm, i've enabled system > preferences > remote desktop, but i cant seem to connect to it... anyone know what port it should run on?
[08:50] <sewoyl> zukalk, isnt it normal if you moved them?
[08:50] <zukalk> sewoyl, yes.
[08:50] <xliu> Seveas, if several packages depend on one package A, in order to removing A, is that a better way than removing every package depending on A manually?
[08:50] <Mondoshawan> can me somebody tell how i can make a list of all installed packages so when i need reinstall the system i will know what i need
[08:50] <zzzsleepy> Mondoshawan, dpkg -l
[08:50] <zzzsleepy> I think?
[08:50] <xliu> Mondoshawan, dpkg -l
[08:50] <goldfish_> yeah
[08:50] <xliu> hehe
[08:51] <topyli> Mondoshawan: dpkg --get-selections > packages.list
[08:51] <zukalk> sewoyl, but is there a way to make it try to move *.deb only if there are any .deb's there?
[08:51] <Mondoshawan> cool thanks
[08:51] <Seveas> zukalk, if [[ ! -z `ls | grep '.deb'` ] ] ; then mv *.deb /usr/local/deb; fi
[08:51] <zukalk> Seveas, thanks
[08:51] <dw_> Seveas: says I should change ALSA device to plug:surround51 in the ALSA configuration.... is that it?
[08:51] <Seveas> dw_, indeed
[08:52] <joachim> what does this mean: mv: cannot stat `/usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/defaults.ini': No such file or directory
[08:52] <Seveas> Mondoshawan, dpkg --get-selection > list
[08:52] <zzzsleepy> Mondoshawan, there is also instructions on the ubuntu forums somewhere on how to put downloaded packages on a cd-rom and then create an offline/local repository so you don't have to redownload
[08:52] <dw_> Seveas: sorry if this is stupid, but how wuld I change the device?
[08:52] <Seveas> Mondoshawan, dpkg --set-selections < list
[08:52] <topyli> Mondoshawan: when you have reinstalled, restore your apt sources.list and do dpkg --set-selections < packages.list
[08:52] <Seveas> the latter restores the package state :D
[08:52] <Mondoshawan> ok thanks i hope i can with this list also install packages wit apt -get
[08:52] <Seveas> dw_, no idea, never had to do that myself
[08:52] <Mondoshawan> aaaaaaaa
[08:53] <dw_> ok
[08:53] <dw_> anybody else know how to access alsa configuration??
[08:53] <xliu> what is alsa configuration?
[08:54] <dw_> xliu: place where you can change alsa device
[08:54] <lcdd> dw_: /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc
[08:54] <HaRDaWaY> anybody has laptop with chipset intel centrino 915 pm ? (sonoma)
[08:54] <delire> dw_ yes ~/.asoundrc
[08:54] <dw_> lcdd: will try now, thanks
[08:55] <dw_> delire: thanks
[08:55] <dw_> I don't have either of those....
[08:56] <xliu> anyone knows why my laptop occasionally shutdown automatically if I leave the computer for a long time?
[08:56] <delire> dw_: hmm well you can 'touch ~/.asoundrc' to create it and edit it accordingly.
[08:56] <djm62> apt-zip
[08:56] <djm62> xliu: how long is long? xscreensaver can be set to suspend or hibernate after a defined interval
[08:57] <delire> dw_: the syntax isn't too bizarre, you'll find examples online that will suit your configuration
[08:57] <dw_> delire: instructions say to edit it and change device accordingly... wouldn't know waht to write
[08:57] <dw_> delire: will try to look then
[08:57] <coreyo> is there a way to get alt-rightclick-drag resizing with gnome/metacity?
[08:57] <endy> dw_, the alsa web page has examples for most cards
[08:57] <zukalk> Seveas, another line in the sh is "mv Source/* /usr/local/src/ . will the ls | grep thing work with it?
[08:58] <zzzsleepy> A new NVIDIA driver (1.0-7667) was released yesterday. Any plans on backporting this? (http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7667.html)
[08:58] <xhaker> hello
[08:58] <dw_> endy: thanks, checking out now
[08:58] <xliu> i think it is like a bug, sometimes it is not so long, about 10 minutes, and the shutdown is so quicky that everything stops suddenly
[08:58] <lcdd> zzzsleepy: what's new in it?
[08:59] <zzzsleepy> lcdd, I have yet to read the changelog, but it may resolve an issue(s) that the backporter(s) were waiting on from the last update.
[08:59] <Seveas> zukalk, if [[ ! -z `ls Source` ] ] ; then mv .....; fi
[08:59] <coreyo> also, is anyone else experiencing intermittent io freezups on their ubuntu desktop?
[08:59] <ttyS0> guys. i've installed gstreamer0.8-mad but.....how to listen mp3 files ? (Rhytmbox)
[08:59] <zukalk> Seveas, thanks a bunch
[08:59] <lcdd> zzzsleepy: right
[08:59] <delire> dw_: it loks a bit like: pcm.sblive \n {  \n type hw \n card 0 \n }. where \n is a newline
[09:00] <xliu> djm62, i think it is like a bug, sometimes it is not so long, about 10 minutes, and the shutdown is so quicky that everything stops suddenly
[09:00] <delire> dw_: but really this is only useful if you have multiple cards no?
[09:00] <djm62> xliu: if it's a bug, I don't know how to solve it
[09:01] <anouar> jo dudes
[09:01] <anouar> i cant make my repositories universal
[09:01] <dw_> delire: dunno. It's nvidia sound card 5.1
[09:01] <xliu> ok, i should report it as a bug
[09:01] <zzzsleepy> lcdd: brief list of changes with the latest NVIDIA driver: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=850
[09:01] <Mondoshawan> Me again (i am so stupid) forgotten the much importants thing: can i use the list (packages.list) i export with dpkg -get--selection > with apt-get to download this packages?
[09:02] <delire> HaRDaWaY: i have a centrino..
[09:02] <delire> dw_ eek, forgot they actually made sound cards
[09:02] <djm62> ttyS0: have you tried right-clicking on the file and opening in rhythmbox?  the way rhythmbox was intended to be used, you "add to library" from the application, a directory at a time
[09:02] <dw_> heh
[09:02] <HaRDaWaY> delire and its sonoma? intel915pm, or pci-express ?
[09:03] <Mondoshawan> VERSION
[09:03] <tpdd> does anyone know of a way to sync /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow on different machines and *nix machines
[09:04] <delire> HaRDaWaY: i don't identify it as any of those. wireless is ipw2200, otherwise it's an Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor
[09:04] <HaRDaWaY> ok, thanks
[09:04] <Seveas> tpdd, you need NIS or something like that
[09:05] <Mondoshawan> Me again (i am so stupid) forgotten the much importants thing: can i use the list (packages.list) i export with dpkg -get--selection > with apt-get to download this packages
[09:05] <ttyS0> djm62, yup. but it doesn't play anything :\
[09:05] <delire> tpdd: yes i've heard NIS also, though never done it myself.
[09:05] <signius> is there a way to check what kernel updates have been done and when ?
[09:06] <signius> i think apt or synaptec did a kernel update and in the process zapped my rfmon patches and i just had to re patch my kernel
[09:06] <Seveas> signius, on your machine or in Ubuntu in general?
[09:06] <signius> in ubuntu
[09:06] <signius> but in general would be nice to know also
[09:07] <signius> is there a way to exclude any kernel updates but do all other updates
[09:07] <Seveas> signius, sure, pin the kernel to the current version...
[09:07] <delire> signius: pinning
[09:07] <delire> also a --hold option i believe
[09:07] <signius> i am not at all familiar with either so i will have to read up a little on both i think
[09:08] <xliu> is there any body using eclipse in Ubuntu?
[09:08] <delire> signius: /etc/apt/preferences
[09:08] <zzzsleepy> xliu, not I, but I recall this being discussed on the forums
[09:08] <signius> ah ha
[09:09] <signius> im listening
[09:09] <delire> cannot find the --hold option i dreamt up ;)
[09:09] <xliu> zzzsleepy, the wen forums in Ubuntu website?
[09:09] <signius> delire is that for this pinning option ?
[09:09] <zzzsleepy> xliu, I don't remember where it was discussed, but search the ubuntu forums website for eclipse and search by topic
[09:10] <xliu> zzzsleepy, thanks a lot, tack
[09:10] <signius> there seems to be no such file as /etc/apt/preferences
[09:11] <Seveas> create it then :)
[09:11] <delire> signius: yes, you'll need to create that file
[09:11] <signius> ah
[09:11] <delire> signius: it's a bit of a weird business. basically one uses a number range to designate priority
[09:11] <signius> ok i think i need go google about this
[09:12] <signius> thanks for pointing me in the right direction
[09:12] <phinnaeu1> what is the gdesklets package that you download again? the one with all the clocks and stuff... gah i can never remember these things
[09:12] <delire> signius: 'man apt_preferences' should have what you need
[09:12] <zzzsleepy> xliu, tack?
[09:13] <delire> phinnaeu1: use 'apt-cache search <keyword>' good for times like this.
[09:13] <phinnaeu1> oh ok
[09:13] <phinnaeu1> thanks
[09:13] <delire> phinnaeu1: use 'apt-cache show packagename' then allows you to read all about the package itself
[09:13] <signius> ok thanks reading it now
[09:13] <signius> cheers
[09:13] <delire> np
[09:14] <xliu> zzzsleepy, ok, hehe it's Swedish
[09:14] <phinnaeu1> whoa thanks deliere!!
[09:14] <delire> hey np
[09:14] <zzzsleepy> xliu, what does it mean
[09:14] <xliu> "thanks"
[09:14] <zzzsleepy> xliu, ;)
[09:14] <zzzsleepy> xliu, you are welcome! :)
[09:15] <zzzsleepy> xliu, those ubuntu forums are a gold mine of information
[09:15] <xliu> zzzsleepy, yes i agree
[09:15] <Seveas> and of crap :)
[09:15] <Seveas> you really must be able to distinguish between that ;)
[09:15] <delire> hehe they'll self-clean over time
[09:16] <delire> this is where i think a slashdot like ranking system is useful. in this case "Useful", "Useless", "Out of date"  etc
[09:17] <eks> "stupid jokes" "people who don't know how to search" would be the most used
[09:17] <eks> ^^
[09:17] <Seveas> delire, trolldot sucks
[09:18] <d4rksh4de> hi
[09:18] <delire> Seveas: a friend of mine (new ubuntu user) suggested that Ubuntu should have an HTML manual "Getting Started" (etc) on the desktop, after install. what do you think of this?
[09:18] <Seveas> ih
[09:18] <Seveas> delire, agreed, so does the docteam, who are working on it
[09:18] <d4rksh4de> ok im fresh ubuntu user
[09:18] <delire> Seveas: right, good.
[09:18] <Seveas> d4rksh4de, welcome to the dark side then :)
[09:19] <d4rksh4de> hehe
[09:19] <zzzsleepy> Seveas, is the docteam seeking any volunteers?
[09:19] <delire> Seveas: /. does have conspicuous tendencies to post FUD of late.
[09:19] <anouar> how can i see wether my my has a static ip or not?
[09:19] <Seveas> zzzsleepy, always :)
[09:19] <delire> d4rksh4de: congrats ;)
[09:19] <zzzsleepy> Seveas, great, where do I sign up? :)
[09:19] <Seveas> zzzsleepy, #ubuntu-doc / ubuntu-doc@lists.ubuntu.com
[09:19] <delire> anouar: less /etc/network/interfaces is where that's usually defined
[09:20] <d4rksh4de> thanx, but I have many problems >/
[09:20] <zzzsleepy> Seveas, thanks ;)
[09:20] <Seveas> Pick a project at their webpage
[09:20] <anouar> thank you delire
[09:20] <Seveas> d4rksh4de, that's not good to hear, but tell us and we might be able to solve it
[09:20] <d4rksh4de> ok
[09:21] <Heimdall> hello everybody !
[09:21] <Seveas> hi Heimdall
[09:21] <d4rksh4de> the biggest problem was solved, i have now internet connection :)
[09:21] <Seveas> :D
[09:21] <Heimdall> how are u Seveas ?
[09:21] <Seveas> good :)
[09:21] <Heimdall> I'm in good mood tonight !!!
[09:21] <Seveas> oh no
[09:21] <Seveas> won the lottery?
[09:21] <Heimdall> no
[09:22] <Seveas> ahh, too bad ;)
[09:22] <phinnaeu1> does anyone know what a .nef file is?
[09:22] <delire> anouar: aside from this you won't be able to tell _how_ you got your IP without looking at logs like 'dmesg' AFAIK
[09:22] <Heimdall> hehe :)
[09:22] <Seveas> phinnaeu1, try www.filext.com
[09:22] <d4rksh4de> next i need to get better graphics resolution
[09:22] <Seveas> d4rksh4de:  find out how you can change your display's resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:22] <Heimdall> money does not make happyness
[09:22] <phinnaeu1> will do
[09:22] <othernoob> Heimdall, you sure?
[09:22] <d4rksh4de> im on 680x480 right now and its not good
[09:22] <phinnaeu1> heh in my world it does
[09:22] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> has anyone ever actually figured out how many diffrent types of files there are for linux?
[09:22] <Seveas> Heimdall, but it helps though :)
[09:22] <slept> phinnaeu1, you can check with file filename.nef
[09:22] <Heimdall> oh yeah I'm sure
[09:22] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, infinitely many...
[09:23] <Heimdall> I have no money but I'm quite happy :)
[09:23] <othernoob> Heimdall, how do you know for sure ;)
[09:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_o
[09:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow
[09:23] <Howitzer> How can i set it up so, that at startup, the X server doesn't start automaticly, but that i have to login first and do Startx
[09:23] <othernoob> Heimdall, but how do you know that you wouldn't be happier with money?
[09:23] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: textfiles, archives (and the rest) ;)
[09:23] <Heimdall> othernoob : heh :)
[09:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> jezze
[09:23] <Seveas> Howitzer, sudo update-rc.d -f gdm remove
[09:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i like the fact that most of the files can be edited in notepad
[09:24] <Howitzer> wha
[09:24] <Howitzer> ehh
[09:24] <Howitzer> besides
[09:24] <Howitzer> i use KDM
[09:24] <Seveas> Howitzer, sudo update-rc.d -f kdm remove
[09:24] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: notepad!! more like vim, nano or emacs ;)
[09:24] <Seveas> :D
[09:24] <Tarcastil> hey, if I use checkinstall -D a lot, will that mess up apt any?
[09:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i like gedit myself
[09:24] <Choubaka> Tarcastil: likely not.
[09:24] <delire> hehe nothing too wront with gedit
[09:24] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: notepad under wine ? :p
[09:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ewww
[09:25] <delire> you said it!
[09:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i still use win names for programs in linux
[09:25] <Howitzer> lol
[09:25] <Howitzer> BLASPHEMY
[09:25] <zukalk> lol
[09:25] <delire> heresy
[09:25] <Howitzer> Heretic!
[09:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> cause i'm still adjusting to the smothenss of the way it works
[09:25] <Howitzer> Let's BUUUUUURN him!
[09:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> although i have not use.....O_o
[09:25] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> used win in 3 mothes
[09:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> even though theres a winxp computer right next to me
[09:26] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> theres just no need for it anymore
[09:26] <psychonate> Choubaka, put *nix on it and set up NFS :)
[09:26] <psychonate> er
[09:26] <psychonate> ChurcH_of_FoamY,
[09:26] <psychonate> damn
[09:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> has anyone ever gotten the mail app to work in gkrellm?
[09:27] <Rounin> Hm, so I turned off ACPI in the bootloader, and now the drumming sound from the login prompt is being played again and again and again... How do I stop that?
[09:27] <zzzsleepy> Rounin, did you try the sound fix on the ubuntu guide?
[09:27] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: yep
[09:27] <anouar> guys is it posible tha Gaim(msn) does not work ?
[09:27] <delire> ChurcH_of_FoamY: that's the spirit. you learn through Linux, puts the fun back in computing - and on a computer you finally *own*.
[09:27] <Rounin> zzzsleepy: There's an ubuntu guide?
[09:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> can you tell me how to make it work right it's pissing me off
[09:27] <zzzsleepy> Rounin, there was also a thread about this drumming loop on the ubuntu forums
[09:27] <anouar> it says it cant find meesenger.com
[09:27] <Rounin> zzzsleepy: Cheers
[09:27] <zzzsleepy> Rounin, search the mailing list area of the forums on the ubuntu forums for this issue
[09:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> delire i know it rocks
[09:28] <eks> http://ubuntuguide.org/
[09:28] <Dj_AlTeK> can anyone here tell me what this means: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/181
[09:28] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: what is your problem exactly ?
[09:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> one sec
[09:29] <d4rksh4de> what is sudoers file?
[09:29] <bigbootay> config file for sudo program.
[09:30] <delire> d4rksh4de: it is where user, group, program execution permissions are defined for use by sudo.
[09:30] <Tarcastil> okok
[09:30] <d4rksh4de> is this bad? "a1test is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported."
[09:31] <Choubaka> d4rksh4de: no.
[09:31] <d4rksh4de> ok
[09:31] <Choubaka> d4rksh4de: it will be reported to your main user.
[09:31] <d4rksh4de> i thought this is an error
[09:31] <Choubaka> d4rksh4de: it is.
[09:31] <Choubaka> you're not in the sudoers file
[09:31] <Choubaka> -> you're not allowed to run programs wityh sudo
[09:31] <d4rksh4de> and when i type "su" it asks password
[09:32] <d4rksh4de> but i dont know the password :/
[09:32] <slept> there is none
[09:32] <delire> d4rksh4de: su == "super user". sudo == "super user do" (or do-as-super-user) where 'super user' == root
[09:32] <d4rksh4de> all passwords are wrong
[09:33] <d4rksh4de> ok
[09:33] <delire> d4rksh4de: ubuntu doesn't have a root password by default. root == Super User ('su'). you shouldn't really need one, but if you must login as super user (root) then 'sudo passwd root'
[09:34] <endy> can you 'sudo su' then run a program?
[09:34] <delire> d4rksh4de: though it sounds to me like you have no defined rights in /etc/sudoers.
[09:34] <d4rksh4de> thanx now i got it
[09:34] <d4rksh4de> lol i typed only su
[09:34] <delire> endy: no..
[09:34] <d4rksh4de> but it needs to be "su username"
[09:35] <delire> ?
[09:35] <endy> delire, ok :)
[09:35] <xirtam> how do i set xfree86 as default xserver ?
[09:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> eks well i'm trying to set it up to check my email with firefox and every 120seconds it opens up firefox
[09:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and the mail count is wrong
[09:35] <delire> d4rksh4de: have you created a new user and now you want to give it certain program execution rights?
[09:35] <xirtam> how do i set xfree86 as default xserver ?
[09:36] <Seveas> xirtam, xfree86 is NOT supported anymore
[09:36] <psychonate> Why do you want it anyway?
[09:36] <Seveas> it will be impoosible to run it in breezy..
[09:36] <coreyo> how do you access administration in cups (localhost:631) ?  the printer-manager doesn't let me name/rename or alter any printers, and logging in as root doesn't seem to be working
[09:36] <d4rksh4de> yes i tried
[09:36] <xirtam> ok, how do i reconfigure the package to use xorg instead?
[09:36] <delire> coreyo: weird.. you probably need to be added to the printer group. not needed here though. see /etc/groups
[09:36] <d4rksh4de> I tried to install java but couldnt
[09:37] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it's normal that it open firefox if you ask it to verify your mails with firefox
[09:37] <endy> coreyo, you may need to set a root password
[09:37] <Seveas> if you have installed hoary or upgraded to it, you will automatically use Xorg
[09:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok so what option do i turn off to make that not happen
[09:37] <Seveas> coreyo, sudo adduser cupsys shadow
[09:37] <slept> xirtam, you cant have xorg and xfree they conflict you have one or the other
[09:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and how do i get it to see the correct amount of mail?
[09:37] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: remove the name off firefox in the configuration
[09:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[09:38] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: where is your mailbox ?
[09:38] <d4rksh4de> im a little away trying to get my graphics resolution better :/
[09:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i use mozilla-thunderbird
[09:38] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and my e-mail is pop.charter.net
[09:38] <delire> d4rksh4de: what are you working with now? 800x600, 1024x768?
[09:39] <CyberTF> what is the danger in upgrading firefox to 1.0.4 under hoary?
[09:39] <knucks> how do i create a partition on ubuntu in NTFS format
[09:39] <eks> so just ask gkrellm tu check pop.charter.net
[09:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> you break it
[09:39] <Seveas> CyberTF, FF in hoary is equivalent to 1.0.4
[09:39] <eks> to*
[09:39] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[09:39] <Seveas> knucks, not possible...
[09:39] <CyberTF> so i should do the workaround for extensions and not worry about it?
[09:39] <knucks> :(
[09:39] <d4rksh4de> im on 640x480
[09:39] <eks> CyberTF: firefox is already 1.0.4
[09:39] <d4rksh4de> its really bad
[09:40] <d4rksh4de> i cant see all the windows
[09:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shit theres 3 diffrent pop3's
[09:40] <Seveas> d4rksh4de:  find out how you can change your display's resolution, go to http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[09:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> which one do i use?
[09:40] <knucks> is it possible to create a ntfs partition and then transfer all my mp3s to it?
[09:40] <delire> d4rksh4de: ouch. can you paste your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to a pastebin?
[09:40] <eks> CyberTF: it's just an error
[09:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the default?
[09:40] <Seveas> knucks, you can create it in windows...
[09:40] <eks> in the version number
[09:40] <delire> d4rksh4de: paste it here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[09:40] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it dosen't show the correct number of e-mails
[09:40] <d4rksh4de> ok ill try
[09:40] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: just add your account in the milboxes to check
[09:41] <delire> d4rksh4de: i may be able to see what's up..
[09:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok i did that
[09:41] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and it should check the right number of mail?
[09:41] <eks> yes
[09:41] <delire> d4rksh4de: also, and perhaps more importantly, can you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:41] <eks> it should
[09:42] <coreyo> delire: when you say the printer group, you mean lp?
[09:42] <endy> lpadmin
[09:42] <coreyo> Seveas: what does the shadow group do?
[09:42] <endy> i think
[09:42] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: be sure to remove messages from the server when downloading them in thunderbird
[09:42] <delire> coreyo: yes
[09:42] <Seveas> coreyo, the shadow group can read the encrypted passwords, so it can let you login to the web interface
[09:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok do i use remote mailbox or local mailbox?
[09:42] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i do that automaticly
[09:43] <phaedrus44> hello
[09:43] <Seveas> hi
[09:43] <phaedrus44> is ubuntu mo bettah than mepis?
[09:43] <phaedrus44> if it is..what makes it bettah!
[09:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> this is where it was looking before --->/var/mail/shane
[09:43] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> do i keep that setting?
[09:43] <gigli> Does anyone knows how to use headphones. I have installed ubuntu 5.04 on my laptop, acer273 xc, ac97 sound, sis650 chipset, everything works just fine, except that when i use my headphones there is no sound if i push to the bottom, but i can get sound in both my speakers and headphones if i push in to the half. Anyone have any solution?
[09:43] <eks> you can use both, but local mailbox is just used if you have a mail server on your PC
[09:43] <chillywilly> I don't think anyone who asks if something is "mo bettah" deserves a response
[09:44] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> no i just use thunderbird
[09:44] <d4rksh4de> pasted
[09:44] <eks> so you don't need to check local mailboxes
[09:44] <gahan> ubuntu supports amd64?
[09:44] <Seveas> chillywilly, hmm, indeed ;)
[09:44] <Seveas> gahan, yes
[09:44] <gahan> ok thx
[09:44] <coreyo> still no luck loggin into cups via the web interface.  cupsys is a member of lp, and a member of shadow.  I restarted cupsys via /etc/init.d/ and still the same result
[09:44] <delire> phaedrus44: mepis is very very good IMHO, though has less integrity  - alot of non-free (patented and/or closed-source stuff like codecs, java etc)
[09:45] <phaedrus44> oh
[09:45] <phaedrus44> is ubuntu a little liter?
[09:45] <phaedrus44> lighter?
[09:45] <phaedrus44> does it use kde?
[09:45] <Seveas> Ubuntu uses gnome, which is lighter than KDE
[09:45] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i put it on remote mailboxes right?
[09:45] <bddebian> Gnome lighter than KDE?  Im not so sure about that anymore :-)
[09:45] <eks> phaedrus44: no
[09:46] <eks> Kubuntu use KDE
[09:46] <Seveas> bddebian, it still is :)
[09:46] <justin> gnome is _simpler_, and lighter in that sense
[09:46] <phaedrus44> cool...i tried o load it onto my laptop but it kept f'ing up
[09:46] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: right
[09:46] <Seveas> But yeah, if you really want a light system: xfce is good :)
[09:46] <delire> coreyo: i think endy might have had it. try adding it to the lpadmin group. however here i do not need this.
[09:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> k than i should be all set
[09:46] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[09:46] <eks> you're welcome :)
[09:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> eks can i pm you to test it? and thank you so much
[09:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'll give ya my email address
[09:47] <delire> justin: gnome, simpler? not so sure about that.
[09:47] <eks> ChurcH_of_FoamY: if you want :)
[09:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thank you man you ROCK!
[09:47] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ^_^
[09:48] <justin> delire: compare pretty much any two similar dialogs between gnome and kde, the gnome dialog will have a handful of options, the kde dialog will have 6 tabs and dozens of options
[09:48] <eks> :p
[09:48] <d4rksh4de> i pasted the log too
[09:48] <zooko> Greetings, People of #ubuntu!  I am struggling to install vmware on current breezy, and whenever I insmod vmmon.o I get "-1 Invalid parameters".
[09:48] <zooko> This is with kernel 2.6.10 from "linux-source-2.6.10"
[09:48] <justin> delire: now, the gnome approach is better, as long as you don't specifically need one of the options it lacks
[09:48] <zooko>  compiled here with gcc-3.3, and vmmon.o compiled here with gcc-3.3.  How can this not work?
[09:48] <zooko> Maybe because gcc-3.3.6 from breezy has a compiler bug ??
[09:49] <coreyo> it turns out that I can't actually kill cups
[09:49] <coreyo> wow....
[09:49] <merc> i want the kernel source, and .config file of my current ubuntu kernel, under what will i find this in synaptic?
[09:49] <xiaomai> you can always just get the lacking options through gconf
[09:49] <lcdd> merc: config you can find in /boot
[09:49] <Seveas> merc, linux-source-2.6.10
[09:49] <coreyo> the /etc/init.d/cupsys stop doesn't kill it, and killall -9 cupsd still allows me to access the webpage
[09:49] <d4rksh4de> test
[09:49] <merc> thanks and thanks fellas :)
[09:49] <justin> xiaomai: kde still has some obscure options that don't exist anywhere in gnome
[09:50] <Seveas> 'some'..?
[09:50] <delire> justin: i use neither, but have grown to be a fan of KDE after having to administer 30 machines used by as many mad students. that said, i do think for everyday use there are a few too many options. hence their new work on simplifying it all radically, hiding such options under 'Advanced buttons' and the like.
[09:50] <Seveas> some dozen :)
[09:50] <Seveas> per application
[09:51] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just wanted to say that beep media player is the best music app i have ever used
[09:51] <coriolan> coreyo: at least if you remove cupsys it will not rise when you reboot.
[09:51] <alex_> hello world!
[09:51] <merc> beep didnt impress me much
[09:52] <auk> goodbye, cruel world!!
[09:52] <d4rksh4de> when i see in terminal like this: d4rksh4de@d4rksh4de:/$   it means im logged in as d4rksh4de?
[09:52] <merc> xmms with some bells and whistles
[09:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i just wish it had some eq presets like winamp
[09:52] <alex_> i've just installed ubuntu 5.04. i've got a problem with totem
[09:52] <justin> delire: from what I've seen, many people won't make the slightest effort whatsoever to make their default environment more usable
[09:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i wish winap could run in linux
[09:52] <alex_> can anybody helo pme?
[09:52] <Seveas> ChurcH_of_FoamY, xmms / beep-media-player ;)
[09:52] <Seveas> alex_, what's the problem?
[09:52] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> justin i'm a linux noob and my enviroment is to my likeing
[09:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i changed a whole bunch of crap
[09:53] <justin> delire: and that goes for windows as well, vis. ugly as hell luna theme and brain dead default fonts
[09:53] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and i'm still tweaking the enviroment
[09:53] <merc> i used to run fvwm..all i do is tweak ;)
[09:53] <merc> this switch to kde is kinda skeery..
[09:53] <justin> ChurcH_of_FoamY: some people also never actually use their computers :-P
[09:53] <merc> its like you stole my tweasers and gave me a chainsaw
[09:53] <delire> justin: i've given workshops on both KDE and Gnome and see people take to a KDE system (and thus Linux) much faster. however, those that are curious, and better described as 'power users' quickly switch to Gnome.
[09:53] <coreyo> okay, some brute force killling among other things... cups is now my bitch.  Thanks guys.
[09:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i sped about 15-17 hours a day infront of mine
[09:54] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it has my tv and radio and everything
[09:54] <delire> coreyo: under control? seems to be getting a bit violent ;)
[09:54] <alex_> seveas_,i've tried to open an mp3, but it doesn't work
[09:55] <alex_> seveas_,it needs a codec. can you help me?
[09:55] <Seveas> in the private chat alex_ :)
[09:55] <delire> alex_: the mp3 uses patented material and thus comes under the banner of 'restricted formats'. you'll need to install the mp3 codec.
[09:55] <coreyo> delire: it deserved every bit of it!
[09:55] <delire> hehe
[09:57] <Mondoshawan> hi! Can me somebody say me how to recover filse from lost+found
[09:57] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that mplayer plugin is pritty cool
[09:59] <justin> ChurcH_of_FoamY: coolest thing about it is that you can edit the config and set download=1 and noembed=1, so it 1) saves the movies, and 2) lets you view them fullscreen and not in a 3" by 2" window
[09:59] <delire> justin: wow.. that's news to me.
[09:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oohhh new project ^_^
[09:59] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> something i'm gonna have to try ^_^
[10:00] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> O_0 must tweak
[10:00] <Seveas> lol
[10:00] <delire> hehe the Hunger
[10:01] <fabio> Hello all
[10:01] <delire> hi
[10:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> in windows i used to be the tweakmaster exstrodinare
[10:01] <levander> Anybody remember what the CPU interface for the Katmai Pentium III was called?  It was the one before the Pentium Coppermine core and the Socket 370 interface.
[10:01] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> if it could be hacked reverse enginerd or pirated i could do it
[10:02] <fabio> delire, hi
[10:03] <delire> levander: http://www.motherboards.org/mobot/chipsets/
[10:03] <justin> levander: socket A?
[10:03] <coreyo> is anyone else experiencing little io "burps" in their desktop responsiveness?  I haven't seen this since some of the later 2.4 kernels
[10:03] <jessid> hello. Could some body tellme how can I use the power save daemon in installed ubuntu?
[10:04] <Seveas> coreyo, yes, as if the hard disk is spinning up
[10:04] <levander> delire: you don't know a quiet heatsink for those cpus do you?  The one I've got now is just too loud.
[10:04] <coreyo> Seveas: any ideas?
[10:04] <Seveas> no response for like half a second to a second
[10:04] <levander> delire: but thanks, i'm checking that page now
[10:04] <coreyo> Seveas: exactly... and if you're typing several letters are either dropped or repeated
[10:05] <delire> levander: sadly i'm out of the loop. been a laptop oriented person for a few years now.
[10:05] <Seveas> coreyo, no not that, they just take some time to 'arrive' on the screen
[10:05] <phinnaeu1> hey what is the fastest way to copy a cd on ubuntu?
[10:05] <coreyo> Seveas: mine actually get dropped, depending on how furiously I'm typing...   this problem seems to be ubuntu specific...
[10:05] <phinnaeu1> is there a fast way?
[10:06] <xTina> Anyone here with automated installation experience (kickstart, d-i preseeding)?
[10:06] <delire> coreyo: odd
[10:06] <linuxboy> I saw a cool page on the ubuntu wiki. all about linux. it was long and well written. anybody know what it was called? i've lost it
[10:06] <Seveas> coreyo, try fiddling with the power management setting to prevent the hard drive from spinning down
[10:06] <delire> coreyo: anything in syslog?
[10:06] <RCepeda> hey does anybody know if there's an ImageReady-type program for linux?
[10:06] <coreyo> in some of the 2.4 kernels, this became an ide access issue, but was fixed in the 2.6 kernel
[10:06] <jessid> '
[10:06] <djm62> coreyo: is dma enabled?
[10:06] <Seveas> it doesn't bother me too much to look into it actually ;)
[10:06] <phinnaeu1> RCepeda: i would just use imageready on wine
[10:06] <coreyo> djm62: I enabled it in hdparm.conf
[10:07] <delire> RCepeda: gimp will do gif animations (if that's what imageready does).
[10:07] <Elsidox> does antone here use wired?
[10:07] <RCepeda> would that work right, or would you need more advanced graphics like cedega?
[10:07] <RCepeda> delire it does? good
[10:07] <coreyo> delire: nothing in syslog that I can see
[10:07] <phinnaeu1> RPepeda: photoshop works on wine
[10:07] <delire> RCepeda: apt-cache show gimp-gap
[10:08] <delire> coreyo: then i'd do as Seveas suggests, look into disabling HDD spindown
[10:08] <coreyo> Seveas: I seem to remember someone saying that the powernowd daemon was causing problems... what else should I check?
[10:08] <merc> grar, anyone here use the hostap wireless driver?
[10:08] <delire> nope
[10:08] <phinnaeu1> does anyone know how i can easily copy an audio CD
[10:08] <Seveas> hmm, powernowd might be it
[10:08] <Seveas> phinnaeu1, use k3b/gnomebaker/graveman
[10:09] <delire> RCepeda: gif, however is a patented, restricted format. you'll need to install support for it.
[10:09] <merc> or kaudiocreator :)
[10:09] <merc> oh, that'll just rip it.
[10:09] <djm62> phinnaeu1: gnomebaker has a Copy Audio CD button
[10:09] <phinnaeu1> thanks
[10:09] <remix_tj> anyone knows why portable doesn't switch himself off after the power down message?
[10:09] <RCepeda> oh  how would i get that?
[10:09] <delire> merc: KDE has incredible burning software. i like the konqueror integration
[10:10] <merc> i've only used k3b before
[10:10] <merc> other than that, i've been using kde for 1 day.
[10:10] <djm62> delire: is it better than nautilus burning?
[10:10] <jessid> hello. Could some body tellme how can I use the power save daemon?
[10:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is it possible to play .wmv files in linux or is microsoft being a bitch?
[10:10] <merc> but, right now my concentration is going to be dicking with my kernel and crap to get the damn hostap driver to build.
[10:10] <djm62> ChurcH_of_FoamY: it's possible, and easy when it works
[10:10] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the problem is getting it to work huh?
[10:10] <delire> djm62: i haven't burnt on Nautilus for a while.. i don't use KDE but i do run k3b when putting together a VCD or DVD
[10:11] <remix_tj> ChurcH_of_FoamY with vlc you can
[10:11] <djm62> ChurcH_of_FoamY: and while bitch in a non-zoological sense isn't appropriate for here, microsoft are uncooperative
[10:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> lol
[10:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> um whats vls
[10:11] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> vlc i mean?
[10:11] <delire> video-lan-client
[10:12] <delire> and a very nice (simple) little movie player
[10:12] <djm62> delire: nautilus opening the data-cd-burning window upon insertion of a blank CD seriously impressed me...all stuff should work like that
[10:12] <delire> djm62: wow, that is nice.
[10:12] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i'm getting a font error in one of my players
[10:13] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> new_face failed. maybe the font path is wrong. please supply the text font file (`/.mplayer/subfont.ttf).
[10:14] <delire> djm62: it's Ubuntu that will lift Gnome back onto it's proud feet. things like getting rid of a few damp, ancient icons, speeding up nautilus and killing ESD. i've always thought Gnome has the best font rendering in the business.
[10:14] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is there a way to fix this?
[10:14] <phinnaeu1> hey i am trying to copy this cd and gnome baker is giving me some crap about there not being an audio cd in the drive...
[10:14] <delire> djm62: and this 'Human theme' is pretty special to look at.
[10:14] <jbone> hi, anyone knows how to switch on DMA mode for IDE devices? seems to be switched off in Ubuntu 5.04
[10:14] <coreyo> Seveas:  /etc/init.d/powernowd stop seems to have corrected the problem.   Does powernow actually control the disk, or would that just be my processor speed changing ?
[10:15] <delire> jbone: /etc/hdparm.conf
[10:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> is there a way to fix the font in mplayer?
[10:15] <djm62> delire: I think it's potentiation...gnome HIG seriousness coinciding with ubuntu human-focused distro
[10:15] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> to stop getting that stupid error
[10:15] <delire> djm62: for sure..
[10:16] <phinnaeu1> ohhh ok nevermind people
[10:16] <nalioth_wrkn> ChurcH_of_FoamY: follow the inst, for one
[10:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i don't know how to supply font files though
[10:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or where the instructions are
[10:17] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: the inst are in teh error msg
[10:17] <jbone> delire: thanks; reboot necessary? SuSE had a script which did it whithout rebooting...
[10:17] <nalioth> ChurcH_of_FoamY: search your system for the font it wants, and then google (if not found locally)
[10:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok
[10:18] <delire> jbone: no you can set it live with 'hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda' (for instance)
[10:19] <delire> jbone: as always, be careful!
[10:19] <jbone> thx, will be! btw: Ubunt is a great distri - will stay with it!
[10:19] <delire> jbone: :) that it is.
[10:19] <Nilbus> hah, this is great :P
[10:19] <Nilbus> www.nilbus.com/pub/ubuntu.mpeg
[10:19] <Nilbus> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/6863
[10:22] <delire> Nilbus: hehe far out ;).
[10:23] <delire> Nilbus: Ubuntu perhaps the first Linux distro to be mentioned in prime time trashy TV :)
[10:24] <jbone> delire: everything went fine, am now copying DVD at full speed instead of 0.7x :-)
[10:25] <delire> jbone: great news ;)
[10:26] <Nilbus> delire, first time I've ever seen
[10:27] <levander> there is any easy way to check your CPU temps? like under the /proc filesystem?
[10:28] <unome> levander: sensors
[10:28] <Firetech> levander: mbmon
[10:28] <Firetech> sensors require configuration.
[10:28] <levander> these are /proc files or packages?
[10:28] <pfp> is mbmon separate from lm-sensors?
[10:29] <Firetech> packages
[10:29] <crz_> hello guys
[10:29] <cmarqu> I wonder if I should try seb128's GTK 2.7.0 packages. Did they work for you?
[10:29] <Firetech> pfp: yes
[10:29] <crz_> I have a blitz question, how to automatically install this - http://fatboy.umng.edu.co/debian/pool/main/c/cinepaint/
[10:29] <levander> which is the easiest of the two packages to configure?
[10:29] <nalioth> crz_: "sudo apt-get cinepaint"?
[10:30] <seb128> cmarqu: they work quite fine
[10:30] <crz_> nalioth, it gets me cinepaint 18-3 , but this one is 19-1
[10:30] <delire> nalioth apt-get *install* cinepaint
[10:30] <nalioth> delire: sorry it's been ONE of THOSE days
[10:30] <cmarqu> seb128: Okay, thanks, then I'll be so brave :)
[10:30] <crz_> why are the asterisks ?
[10:30] <crz_> and without sudo :)
[10:30] <nalioth> delire: i'm amazed i can still touch type
[10:30] <xliu> is Cinepaint a painter software?
[10:30] <delire> nalioth: hah no problem. i'm a bit slow myself
[10:30] <crz_> xliu, yes
[10:31] <Firetech> levander: mbmod doesn't need any configuration, but needs to be run as root... sensors (the package is named lm-sensors) and is easy to configure, just run "sudo sensors-detect" after installation
[10:31] <nalioth> crz_: disregard the asterisks, just the words
[10:31] <crz_> nalioth, yes i got it now
[10:31] <Firetech> mbmod -> mbmon
[10:31] <nalioth> xliu: cinepaint is the new name for filmgimp
[10:31] <crz_> nalioth, just want to install the cinepaint from http://fatboy.umng.edu.co/debian/pool/main/c/cinepaint/
[10:31] <delire> nalioth: ahah didn't know this
[10:31] <crz_> not the one it is installed with apt-get install cinepaint
[10:32] <levander> Firetech: i'm looking at a hotwo on ubuntuforums, i don't have to run a mkdev.sh script for lm-sensors?
[10:32] <xliu> ok, i still do not know lots of linux applications :)
[10:32] <nalioth> crz_: is there a deb file at that location (for you arctitexture)?
[10:32] <crz_> yes
[10:32] <Firetech> levander: I didn't need to
[10:32] <djm62> crz_: then you can try "dpkg -i cinepaint.....deb"
[10:32] <crz_> but it has dependancies which i don't have
[10:32] <morchuboo> Hi all, can anyone tell me how to set the default sound device in hoary if you have two sound cards?
[10:32] <crz_> i've already tried dpkg -i cinepaint...deb
[10:33] <nalioth> crz_: try "sudo apt-get build-dep cinepaint"
[10:33] <delire> morchuboo: you need to give priority in a file called ~/.asoundrc, if you are using ALSA that is
[10:33] <Firetech> levander: ubuntu uses udev, so there is no need as far as i understand.
[10:33] <macerata> I had a problem with sound, but just disabled onboard sound and everything worked after that
[10:33] <macerata> Disabled in the bios, that is
[10:33] <delire> macerata: right
[10:34] <crz_> nalioth, will this build-dep for the 19-1 cinepaint (latest i mean.. which do not install with apt-get install)
[10:34] <nalioth> crz_: i'm not sure
[10:34] <djm62> nalioth: are you thinking DIY hoary port?
[10:34] <crz_> nalioth, what does this command do then :)
[10:34] <minavana> hi! can anybody help me to turn work my build-in WiFi (USB, prism2) module with ECS530 laptop?
[10:35] <lidob> hello!!
[10:35] <morchuboo> delire,  - I have done that - and ALSA has changed fine, but selecting ALSA as the default sound sink didnt change what was used for system sounds
[10:35] <morchuboo> so I need to chage the default for esd
[10:35] <nalioth> crz_: that build-dep will install dependencys for cinepaint_0.18.3-6
[10:35] <crz_> yes.. it did so :(
[10:35] <nalioth_wrkn> gotta run
[10:35] <crz_> i want deps for 0.19-1
[10:35] <delire> morchuboo: ahah, the good old not-so-enlightened-sound-daemon
[10:36] <morchuboo> lol - yea
[10:36] <lidob> hylas?
[10:36] <crz_> hm...
[10:36] <morchuboo> ahh - i suppose ill just dissable it and put my mic on the same card as my speekers
[10:36] <djm62> crz_: you might be able to compile a .deb for your computer
[10:36] <crz_> what is http://fatboy.umng.edu.co/debian/pool/main/ is a .. backport or repository ?
[10:37] <djm62> crz_: I'm checking right now
[10:37] <PoopinClumpin> if i put backports at the bottom of the sources.list will apt check the other repositories first for the packages I want to get?
[10:37] <morchuboo> I did have it working a while agobut after reinstalling i cant remember how i did it
[10:37] <xliu> to set system environment variables, edit /etc/bash.bashrc or /etc/profile?
[10:37] <crz_> djm62, thanks
[10:37] <lidob> that's the name of my atletiek
[10:37] <djm62> crz_: a repository, but it doesn't have .debs for ubuntu hoary
[10:37] <lidob> hylas
[10:37] <djm62> crz_: am I ok to PM you?
[10:37] <pfp> xliu: /etc/environment (bash.bashrc and profile only affect the shell)
[10:37] <Arkainium> Anyone know why emacs doesn't recognize all my fonts?  Also, is it possible to get fonts antialiased in emacs?
[10:37] <crz_> djm62, of course
[10:38] <xliu> pfp, thanks, got it
[10:38] <djm62> crz_: give me 2min while I check it out
[10:38] <crz_> okay
[10:38] <signius> how fucked up is the sound in ubuntu
[10:39] <signius> its a proper mess
[10:39] <crz_> but so it seems i can't use any debs available
[10:39] <macerata> What's the problem with sound?
[10:39] <crz_> with ubuntu?
[10:39] <signius> this esd crap
[10:39] <crz_> i thought i can use it like debian ..
[10:39] <signius> if i kill esd it worls fine
[10:39] <ubuntu_> hi
[10:39] <ubuntu_> ola
[10:39] <ubuntu_> oi
[10:39] <macerata> All I did was disable onboard sound and everything worked.  I didn't need to mess with esd at all
[10:40] <signius> if i edit esound.conf like on the ubuntu site it still dont work
[10:40] <ubuntu_> quien habla espaol????
[10:40] <rj`> is samba broke in hoary?
[10:40] <ubuntu_> ..
[10:40] <macerata> I'd check that first then work from that
[10:40] <rj`> its been like that for a week
[10:40] <signius> the sound on loads of stuff dont work until i kill the esd process
[10:40] <djm62> crz_: debian has its own problems.  ubuntu has some debs available at the moment, and will gain more with increased popularity (and the predictable release cycle)
[10:40] <ubuntu_> what???
[10:40] <rj`> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:40] <rj`>   samba: Depends: samba-common (= 3.0.10-1ubuntu3) but 3.0.14a-1~5.04ubp1 is to be installed
[10:40] <ubuntu_> fuck you
[10:40] <rj`> :((
[10:40] <Seveas> rj`, don't use backports then
[10:40] <Seveas> samba is fine in hoary
[10:41] <rj`> SeamusLP: im not -- well i remove the backports line for sources.list and did a apt-get update
[10:41] <Seveas> rj`, that will not magically remove backports...
[10:41] <merc> woo, ok, i've got my hostap drivers compiled and installed, how do i make ubuntu understand "use hostap instead of the orinoco you're currently loading" ?
[10:41] <macerata> I've had two problems so far: (1) firefox crashes with flash, (2) I can't get the codecs as stated in the unofficial guide
[10:41] <rj`> Seveas: so how would one fix this?
[10:41] <Seveas> rj`, by the way: samba in backports is fine too...
[10:41] <xliu> If i set PATH in /etc/environment, will the variable conflict with PATH in bash.bashrc?
[10:42] <HeMan> Hi! Is maintainers interrested in bug-reports even though that im running breezy? I know i won't have the same relyabillity as Hoary, thanks
[10:42] <macerata> I'm still looking around for solutions.  No rush, though.  This is the best distro I've tried by a long shot
[10:42] <rj`> Seveas: i get 404 forbidden trying to use backports
[10:42] <rj`> perhaps theres a new repoistory url
[10:42] <rj`> ?
[10:42] <Seveas> rj`, try another mirror then
[10:42] <Seveas> see backports.ubuntuforums.org/url.php
[10:42] <HeMan> I'm not interrested in getting support, i'd just like to help
[10:42] <Seveas> macerata, unofficial guide sucks
[10:43] <Seveas> macerata: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[10:43] <levander> Firetech: i ran the sensors-detech script, nothing blew up, now, can  you tell me how to see my temps?
[10:43] <macerata> OK
[10:43] <macerata> Cheers
[10:43] <Seveas> and codecs can be downloaded from mplayerhq.hu
[10:43] <Rounin> Hm, I'm a bit confused... I've noticed that apt-get has a "source" action which downloads a package's source... But can it do anything with it in terms of installing it, or is it just a novelty feature?
[10:43] <Seveas> HeMan, what is the bug..?
[10:43] <hramrach> Hello
[10:44] <rj`> Get:4 ftp://ftp2.caliu.info hoary-backports Release.gpg
[10:44] <rj`> Ign ftp://ftp2.caliu.info hoary-backports Release.gpg
[10:44] <Rounin> Oh wait, I guess I'm just being stupid
[10:44] <rj`> Seveas: still keep getting that
[10:44] <signius> is there a way to kill 7175 on startup so i dont have to manually kill esd each time before using kismet
[10:44] <Firetech> levander: the howto on Ubuntuforums tells how you should continue
[10:44] <arjun> Hi there, I'm having trouble adding a backdoor repository mirror.  Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong
[10:44] <HeMan> Seveas: Suspend to ram doesn't work on the 2.6.12 kernel
[10:44] <rj`> Seveas: not 403 the repository works fine -- but it stil says the package samba is broke
[10:44] <hramrach> hehe, the cd validation feature looks like good thing for testing cd-rom :)
[10:44] <HeMan> Seveas: It works fine with 2.6.10
[10:45] <merc> right now i have a wifi card plugged into my pcmcia slot -- ubuntu is loading orinoco drivers for it, which is not what i want -- i have compiled and installed the hostap drivers, how do i instruct ubuntu to load them, and not load the orinoco drivers?
[10:45] <Seveas> HeMan, known issue
[10:45] <Juhaz> signius, just check off "enable sound server startup" from gnome sound preferences
[10:45] <xiaomai> has anyone tried composite/RenderAccel on an nvidia card... it seems to be wildly unstable
[10:45] <Seveas> rj`, the IGN makes no difference
[10:46] <HeMan> Seveas: Ok, i'll just stay with 2.6.10 and file no bug-report then
[10:46] <njan> on a completely new Sony vaio laptop, hoary picks up the (presumably sata) hard disk and partitions it, but it fails when installing the base system, beacuse it can't copy files to the disk.. it doesn't appear to be a disk problem (I can write files from the console using busybox just fine), or a CD problem with those files (burnt a second CD, same error).. anyone any ideas?
[10:46] <Seveas> rj`,  I installed samba from bacports just fine yesterday
[10:46] <berkes> does anyone know how I can stop the x server?
[10:46] <Seveas> (or maybe the day before that..)
[10:46] <LokeDK> I was wondering, with f.ex amule and xmule .. it looks very ugly.. I think it's some sort of system theme.. it's grey etc... is there a way to change it? it's like that in serveral of application
[10:46] <signius> where can i find that
[10:46] <hramrach> merc: easiest: ermove the orinoco drivers :)
[10:46] <Seveas> berkes, sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop
[10:46] <hramrach> remove
[10:47] <signius> there doesnt appear to be anything like that under sound & video
[10:47] <berkes> Seveas: .... when using kde :)
[10:47] <ccc> LokeDK: you're probably talking about gtk1
[10:47] <Seveas> signius, system -> prefs ->sound
[10:47] <orhs> how do i get the new version of firefox via the apt-get install command?
[10:47] <Seveas> signius, 'disable sound server startup'
[10:47] <zyth> njan, you sure it's SATA?
[10:47] <ccc> LokeDK: there is some tweaking tips in the forums, search for it
[10:47] <merc> hramrach: lol, thanks :)
[10:47] <Seveas> orhs, FF in ubuntu is 1.0.4 in disguise
[10:47] <HeMan> btw, i've been running Fedora Core 3 at work and it is more unstable than Breezy...
[10:47] <ccc> LokeDK: but gtk1 IS ugly. :\
[10:48] <levander> Firetech: any suggestion for a client that will update a UI with information read from lm-sensors?
[10:48] <merc> iirc there's a file that has the driver->card relation thing
[10:48] <levander> Firetech: all i see is WindowMaker dock applets
[10:48] <Firetech> levander: there is ksensors for kubuntu
[10:48] <Firetech> I.E. KDE
[10:49] <LokeDK> ccc, oh.. no way to change gtk1 theme?
[10:49] <Firetech> phpsysinfo can also read lm-sensors info
[10:49] <levander> Firetech: nothing for gnome?
[10:49] <Seveas> gdesklets?
[10:49] <cmarqu> seb128: Cool, the GTK packages work fine. But apart from the color wheel in gtk-demo, I didn't notice any difference yet.
[10:49] <hramrach> LokeDK: there should be gtk-theme-switch
[10:49] <xiaomai> FireEgl, gkrellm
[10:49] <levander> Firetech: hoping for something that updates like every couple of seconds of so, not something web based like phpsysinfo probably is
[10:50] <coolkev> HeMan: ain't Fedora Core 3 likea final release and suppose to be stable
[10:50] <zyth> njan, hello?
[10:50] <hramrach> or something like that
[10:50] <Firetech> levander: I use KSensors.
[10:50] <LokeDK> hramrach, I've tried that.. all the themes are the same.. odd.. gtk-theme-switch2 works.. but that's gtk2
[10:50] <ccc> LokeDK: i started using linux quite recently, and i'm avoiding old gtk1 apps because of it's ugliness (such as xmms). :)
[10:50] <coolkev> and it's suppose to be one of the top distro since it's particially sponsered and supported by redhat
[10:50] <zyth> njan, do you usually ask questions then wander off?
[10:50] <HeMan> coolkev: yepp!
[10:50] <metzen> ccc: have you tried beep-media-player ?
[10:50] <macerata> thanks Seveas.  It worked!
[10:50] <Firetech> levander: I KNOW that there are similar things for gnome.
[10:51] <Rounin> Has anyone gotten mplayer to work with AC3 sound? Is there a way?
[10:51] <levander> i'm gonna check out gdesklets like seveas suggested, ksensors wants to install too many libraries for me
[10:51] <HeMan> coolkev: and amazingly low quality...
[10:51] <Rounin> The binary packages don't even link to liba52
[10:51] <zyth> Rounin, CVS myplayer does it I think.
[10:51] <njan> zyth, sorry
[10:51] <levander> Firetech: but you don't know the name of top of head?
[10:51] <njan> zyth, was trying something with debootstrap ;)
[10:51] <Firetech> levander:  no
[10:51] <coolkev> humm
[10:51] <zyth> njan, np.  Go into your BIOS and see if you can change AHCI to ATA for the SATA drive
[10:51] <Vjaz> ccc, but isn't most of XMMS custom anyways?
[10:51] <LokeDK> ccc, yeah... but xmule and amule.. can't avoid it :/
[10:51] <njan> zyth, ah, ty
[10:51] <ccc> metzen: yes, i'm using bmp (when listening to a single track or so, otherwise amaroK beats them all :)).
[10:51] <njan> zyth, not completely, it's an educated guess based on a dell laptop which had similar problems with a warty CD and had a sata drive - and this one appears in hoary as /dev/sda
[10:51] <Vjaz> ccc, or do you specifically mean the settings windows etc
[10:52] <Rounin> zyth: CVS mplayer? But the regular versions of mplayer do it fine on both gentoo and Fedora Core 4... Does it mean they build from CVS?
[10:52] <Juhaz> coolkev, fc3 (and more recently, fc4) is well enough, although it has it's warts like any other distro
[10:52] <ccc> LokeDK: isn't the latest aMule using gtk2?
[10:52] <Vjaz> I use Gnome and I still use amaroK because it's so good.
[10:52] <zyth> Rounin, they're probably more updated versions of mplayer.  Ubuntu (iirc) releases in 6 month blocks.
[10:52] <Vjaz> Well, better than Rhythmbox anyways.
[10:52] <njan> zyth, I don't see any options for anything like that whatsoever.
[10:52] <Vjaz> Or Muin.
[10:52] <coolkev> Juhaz are u a user of it?
[10:52] <Vjaz> Muin.*
[10:52] <Vjaz> Muine*
[10:52] <zyth> njan, hurm :/  Notebook model please?
[10:52] <metzen> amarok is nice, i like using MPD though, im currently writing a rhythmbox clone to control mpd
[10:52] <ccc> Vjaz: me too, it's the best music player ever imo.
[10:53] <merc> mpd rocks
[10:53] <hramrach> levander: what about gkrellm?
[10:53] <njan> zyth, Vaio VGN-S4XP
[10:53] <ccc> amaroK, that is.
[10:53] <LokeDK> ccc, Dunno.. I apt-get it.. but it's very ugly
[10:53] <Rounin> zyth: So it's either switch to breezy or forget it
[10:53] <zyth> njan, k, gimme a min, gotta look it up
[10:53] <njan> zyth, fairly new, and there's an (unresolved) issue about a similar issue in debian unstable with a S3XP
[10:53] <Vjaz> mpd is pretty good too... different though
[10:53] <Juhaz> coolkev, yeah, I've used all the cores as well as hoary
[10:53] <zyth> Rounin, or manually install mplayer
[10:53] <Juhaz> coolkev, and I really don't see a need to be fanatic towards either, they're both pretty good
[10:53] <Rounin> zyth: Yup... Thanks
[10:53] <njan> s/issue about/bug concerning/
[10:53] <Vjaz> One thing I like about amaroK is that it updates its database automatically.
[10:53] <metzen> Vjaz: i like how you can keep your music going if you need to restart x
[10:53] <ccc> LokeDK: yeah :/ i'm using linuxdc++ and azureus (bittorrent) for p2p:ing...
[10:53] <hramrach> LokeDK: maybe the theme-swithch is broken. you can always edit .gtkrc by hand :)
[10:54] <lleberg> How do i get a public hub-list in the direct connect client?
[10:54] <zyth> njan, 100GB drive, right?
[10:54] <LokeDK> ccc, yeah I'm using azureus too.. but small files are easier to get with emule
[10:54] <LokeDK> hramrach, ah.. I'll try that
[10:54] <moz> lu
[10:54] <zyth> njan, whoa, nice notebook.  K, it's SATA.  Hangon a min.
[10:54] <ccc> LokeDK: that's what i use linuxdc++ for =) i like direct connect better. but that's a matter of taste...
[10:55] <Vjaz> metzen, Yeah, it is nice.
[10:55] <LokeDK> ccc, easier to get busted hehe :)
[10:56] <LokeDK> in gtkrc.. include "/usr/share/themes/ThinIce/gtk/gtkrc" .. ThinIce.. is that the ugly theme?
[10:56] <hramrach> You can try to look if there is such a theme  - and try to change to another if you don not like this one
[10:56] <njan> zyth, yes and yes :p
[10:57] <njan> zyth, it'd be even nicer if it had ubuntu on it ;)
[10:57] <ccc> LokeDK: maybe :)
[10:57] <zyth> njan, you're sure there's nothing in your BIOS related to SATA settings?
[10:57] <hramrach> I'd try ShinyMetal if it is there - it should be at least noticably different.
[10:57] <lcdd> cool, i got powernow-k8 working by updating the bios
[10:58] <signius> ok cool that seems to have resolved alot of my sound issues
[10:58] <zyth> njan, look for 'Legacy ATA mode' or 'PATA' mode
[10:58] <signius> dont have the sounds for the ubuntu desktop now tho
[10:58] <njan> zyth, in the bios?
[10:59] <zyth> njan, yep
[10:59] <njan> zyth, nothing even vaguely like it
[10:59] <njan> no options pertaining to hard drives whatsoever, actually.
[10:59] <zyth> njan, :( weird.  Silly sony.
[11:00] <LokeDK> Google must help me then
[11:00] <zyth> I'm not sure what to tell you.  Are you deparitioning the entire drive, and making it Linux-only?
[11:00] <njan> zyth, I was dual-booting it, but I may or may not have wiped out the xp partition, so it's quite possible I'll just make it linux only anyway ;)
[11:00] <signius> really starting to get to grips with kismet now :)
[11:00] <hramrach> LokeDK: did you try to change the line?
[11:00] <njan> zyth, had some nasty errors booting windows by accident after a session with fdisk :p
[11:01] <njan> (make your own mind up where the words 'by' and 'accident' go in that sentence)
[11:01] <LokeDK> hramrach, which last line?
[11:01] <hramrach> LokeDK: the one in .gtkrc which includes the theme
[11:02] <zyth> njan, you could try trashing the entire partiton table, and letting linux use the whole disk.  That might work, if it was having partition issues.  The fact that fdisk sees it implies the driver for your drive is in the kernel.
[11:02] <LokeDK> nope.. but that theme exist hramrach , it should work.. but it doesn't .. gtk-theme-switch is broken.. it can't apply
[11:02] <njan> zyth, ok.. but if I have no windows for work tomorrow, it's your fault :p
[11:02] <zyth> njan, LOL
[11:02] <njan> s/windows/os/
[11:03] <hramrach> LokeDK: ThinIce is gray iirc.
[11:03] <njan> byebye, partition table.. (this laptop boots *really* quickly 0:)
[11:03] <zyth> yeah, I saw the specs... *drool*
[11:03] <hramrach> LokeDK: if you change the line, you whave to start a new app to see the change
[11:04] <paul555> hi can anyone help me with tvcard problem?
[11:04] <LokeDK> yeah I know.. well i could try to install another theme.. sec
[11:04] <Schuyler> hi folks
[11:05] <Schuyler> what's the recommended way to configure a printer in Ubuntu?
[11:05] <tiglionabbit> Schuyler: system->admin->printers
[11:05] <zyth> Schuyler, System -> Admin -> Printing I think
[11:05] <Schuyler> ok
[11:06] <Schuyler> I'm not using GNOME because this machine doesn't have enough RAM
[11:06] <LokeDK> http://pastebin.com/303141 got this errmsg now
[11:06] <Schuyler> can you give me some idea of which program that actually is? I can run it from the command line
[11:06] <hramrach> paul555: no. You did not say what is the problem.
[11:06] <njan> zyth, recreating partition table/mkfsing now :)
[11:06] <tiglionabbit> well the command is gnome-cups-manager
[11:06] <tiglionabbit> if you have the utilities installed
[11:07] <zyth> njan, yay.
[11:07] <paul555> well i have a pinnacle pctv pro card ubuntu seems to configure it ok but i can't get any sound in xawtv i use
[11:07] <Schuyler> gnome-cups-manager
[11:07] <zyth> if it can mkfs, I see zero reason for it to not install.
[11:07] <Schuyler> that's what I was looking for
[11:08] <xliu> hi
[11:08] <tiglionabbit> hello
[11:09] <xliu> is "user memory " the same to "used memory"?
[11:09] <hramrach> paul555: try to run alsamixer and turn on all channels. It may be muted.
[11:09] <tiglionabbit> xliu: where does it say it?
[11:09] <paul555> wait
[11:10] <xliu> In System monitor, it shows "user memory:132MB of 256MB, 55.2% "
[11:11] <xliu> but in "free" command, i see that "used memory :249MB", it's different with System monitor
[11:11] <tiglionabbit> it appears to be used memory.  When I launch another program, it goes up
[11:12] <paul555> hramrach i am an idiot i tred many times to unmute line-in i had connected the tv card but when i unmuted the analog mix is ok.Thanks
[11:12] <xliu> yes, but why the results of System Monitor and Free command are different?
[11:12] <searcher`> xliu: free probably doesn't detract cached memory
[11:13] <searcher`> the kernel keeps a lot of stuff in memory even if it's not used (unused memory is wasted memory)
[11:13] <searcher`> but it can instantly toss out this used cache should it be needed for the more memory hungry stuff
[11:13] <hramrach> paul555: np
[11:14] <xliu> searcher, do you mean that the "used memory" reported in "free" contains some blocks of memory not used?
[11:14] <searcher`> the memory _is_ being used, but for cache
[11:14] <xliu> ok
[11:14] <searcher`> i think top shows you this as well
[11:14] <paul555> well if i am right with alsactl store i save my mixer settings?
[11:14] <searcher`> Mem:    515732k total,   510784k used,     4948k free,    20188k buffers
[11:14] <searcher`> see
[11:14] <hramrach> paul555: probably/
[11:15] <searcher`> it it says on 5Mb free for me (out of 512Mb)
[11:15] <hramrach> but it should get sotred automagically on shutdown
[11:15] <hramrach> stored
[11:15] <searcher`> but it also has 200Mb buffered (cached)
[11:15] <searcher`> no, that's twenty
[11:15] <searcher`> sorry :-)
[11:16] <xliu> ok,thanks for your explain, i still need to diguest that
[11:16] <xliu> digest
[11:17] <PaloDeQueso> So let's say I installed kubuntu (debian) on the first parition on my hard drive, then I installed windows on the next, and my swap is the last partition, I installed windows second and it said that it had to change which parition had a boot flag to the windows, I said ok, whatever. So then I booted up a gentoo live disk and chrooted back into debian and did grub-install /dev/hda and only linux shows up in the list, no windows???
[11:17] <searcher`> PaloDeQueso: you probably forgot to add an entry for windows to /boot/grub/menu/lst
[11:17] <Seveas> PaloDeQueso, add it to the menu.lst then :)
[11:18] <searcher`> /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:18] <PaloDeQueso> oh, okey dokey.
[11:19] <NewUbuntubie> hey folks - just completed the Ubuntu install on my machine and I feel liberated. But the net still dont work and my local ISP is a bunch of frikkin' idiots - does anyone have a couple of minutes to try and help me configure the internet on my machine ?
[11:20] <NewUbuntubie> yow? please?
[11:21] <paul555> bye
[11:21] <searcher`> NewUbuntubie: what isn't working, can you be more specific?
[11:21] <xliu> Swap:   514040k total,        0k used,   514040k free,    95332k cached, where does the 95332K comes from?
[11:21] <NewUbuntubie> searcher: i enter in my ip's and DNS servers correctly, connect the cable, and it tells me the Ethernet isn't configured or the settings are incorrect ..
[11:22] <Seveas> NewUbuntubie, have you used the grapical tools or simply edited the config file?
[11:22] <krmeljivi> hi people
[11:22] <NewUbuntubie> the graphical tools
[11:22] <Seveas> NewUbuntubie, and do you use a static IP address?
[11:22] <NewUbuntubie> yes. static.
[11:22] <NewUbuntubie> (im sorry - i am new to linux - just switching over from years of windows hell.. )
[11:23] <hramrach> bye
[11:23] <Seveas> NewUbuntubie, please paste the contents of the file /etc/network/interfaces on paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:23] <xliu> I am confused about Top, "Swap:   514040k total,        0k used,   514040k free,    95332k cached", where does the 95332K comes from?
[11:23] <NewUbuntubie> gimme a sec .. ill have to manually re-type (i'm online rite now thru another machine)
[11:23] <krmeljivi> i have a problem with playing mp3... can anyone help?
[11:24] <Seveas> krmeljivi: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[11:24] <krmeljivi> thx Seveas
[11:24] <moire> hi
[11:25] <moire> what is the language here?
[11:25] <xliu> eng
[11:25] <Seveas> english
[11:25] <Seveas> but there are localized channels too
[11:25] <moire> ok, i try the following in a root terminal ...
[11:26] <xTina> One more try: Anyone around with debian-installer preseeding knowledge?
[11:26] <moire> find eclipse-gtk/ -type d -print0 -exec chmod 755 {} ;
[11:26] <moire> what is wrong?
[11:26] <moire> -exec does not work
[11:27] <keikoz> you need putting \
[11:27] <keikoz> before the ;
[11:27] <moire> where?
[11:27] <moire> can you give the complete correct string?
[11:28] <keikoz> i think find eclipse-gtk/ -type d -print0 -exec chmod 755 {} \;
[11:28] <Seveas> or simpy | xargs chmod 755 instead of -exec blabla
[11:29] <moire> yes it worked :)
[11:29] <moire> thx
[11:29] <keikoz> no pb
[11:29] <moire> umm xargs was it i does not remember ;)
[11:29] <moire> btw: ubuntu is nice, i like it
[11:30] <NewUbuntubie> Seveas: i typed in my /etc/network/interface file on the paste channel . make any sense ?
[11:31] <Seveas> NewUbuntubie, is that the *complete* file?
[11:31] <Seveas> because it is missing exactly what you need...
[11:33] <NewUbuntubie> Seveas: no - lemme re-type the complete thing - the other lines are just indicators - This file describes the network interfaces bla bla ... no code ..
[11:33] <lampshade> So is Ubuntu based off the testing of Debian or the Unstable?  Or is it its own thing about now?  I'm kinda confused
[11:33] <Seveas> ah ok
[11:33] <Seveas> all starting with a # I guess?
[11:33] <NewUbuntubie> should i re-type those ? but yea, it does look like its missing something - is this something u can help me with, or am i going to need details from my ISP ?
[11:33] <NewUbuntubie> yes. all starting with the hash sign .
[11:34] <Seveas> no it's ok, if you have your IP/netmask settings
[11:34] <Seveas> hang on
[11:34] <tiglionabbit> lampshade: it's its own thing
[11:34] <moire> good night
[11:34] <NewUbuntubie> i have IP, Subnet, and DNS, yea ..
[11:34] <LinuxJones> lampshade, unstable
[11:35] <d4rksh4de> lol firefox crashes all the time i try to set certificate
[11:35] <tiglionabbit> d4rksh4de: happens to me too..
[11:35] <omenka> NBA
[11:35] <omenka> FINALS
[11:35] <omenka> WHO WONS?
[11:35] <omenka> WINS?
[11:36] <tiglionabbit> omenka: do linux users watch sports?
[11:36] <xiaomai> tiglionabbit, absolutely not
[11:36] <tiglionabbit> I thought we were too busy reading manuals
[11:36] <gusel> que mierda es esto
[11:36] <omenka> just kiddin.......let,s face what we know best:)
[11:36] <Vjaz> gusel, wrong language
[11:37] <gusel> bay
[11:37] <omenka> but i,m a basketball fan though
[11:37] <skel_> i thtink pistons will win
[11:37] <merc> kaudiocreator = cool
[11:37] <omenka> i hope the spurs get their acts together
[11:37] <merc> pistons are gonna whoop on 'em!
[11:38] <omenka> tim duncan will step up
[11:38] <merc> then ben and sheed will come in, along with tay tay..rip..etc..
[11:38] <azumanga> in breezy something seems to have gone wrong with amule. it can't install as libwxgtk2.4 isn't installable. That package says it has been replaced by libwxgtk2.4c2. Is there a place I should repot this / is it already know?
[11:39] <mib924> new to ubuntu ..having problems with mp3 files..?
[11:39] <merc> then we'll put darco out there just to kick ginobli in the face.
[11:39] <Stealth890> hey guys, i need some help badly :( im installing Ubuntu for my Uncle's comp and gnome is hanging!
[11:39] <merc> then we'll throw a cup at him!
[11:39] <Seveas> mib924: Go to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to find out all about mp3/dvd/flash/java/realplayer etc... support
[11:39] <Stealth890> the install is all done and stuff, gdm loads, i log in, and i get a peach screen ebhind, mouse moves, but gnome doesnt load
[11:39] <mib924> ok ..
[11:39] <Stealth890> its a brand new hoary install
[11:40] <Stealth890> any ideas?
[11:40] <Seveas> Stealth890, ouch :|
[11:40] <Seveas> that's too odd
[11:40] <Stealth890> AMD 3500+, 80GB SATA, Geforce 6200...
[11:40] <Stealth890> i cant figure it out...:(
[11:40] <Seveas> do you get the splash screen after login?
[11:40] <Vjaz> Stealth890, Try disabling apic.
[11:40] <tiglionabbit> Stealth890: that sucks.  Try running apt-get or aptitude from console and installing another window manager?  Like kubuntu-desktop or xfce
[11:40] <Vjaz> Stealth890, pass "noapic" to your kernel
[11:41] <Vjaz> Stealth890, and maybe "nolapic" too
[11:41] <Seveas> Vjaz, just out of curiosity: why would you think that that will help?
[11:41] <Stealth890> ok, how would i go about doing that?
[11:41] <Stealth890> i tried kubuntu-desktop via apt-get
[11:41] <Vjaz> Seveas, because I had the same problem
[11:41] <Stealth890> that didnt
[11:41] <Stealth890> work
[11:41] <Stealth890> becuz then my sessions window disappeared
[11:41] <Seveas> Stealth890, reboot, when the grub menu comes op hit escape
[11:41] <Stealth890> it was blank
[11:41] <Vjaz> Stealth890, when the computer boots up, you can interrupt it with ESC.
[11:41] <Seveas> go to the line with your kernel
[11:41] <Seveas> hit E to edit it
[11:41] <loply> evening folks
[11:41] <Vjaz> Stealth890, then you'll get a menu with boot options
[11:41] <Stealth890> k...
[11:41] <Seveas> and add nolapic and noapic to that line
[11:42] <Pop_pa_FrEaK> hey Seveas I installed ubuntu on a secondary pc and put fluxbox on it but now when I try to run anything that needs the root password it tells me that my password is wrong
[11:42] <Vjaz> ah, seveas is explaining it
[11:42] <Stealth890> ok, brb, lemme try
[11:42] <xiaomai> Pop_pa_FrEaK, just run stuff that requires a password from the shell
[11:42] <Seveas> Pop_pa_FrEaK, ubuntu by default has no root password but uses sudo
[11:42] <tekk> Can someone please tell me why i can't delete files when i am the root user?
[11:42] <loply> quick question, my motherboard has CM8738 audio and I also have an EMU10K1 PCI card but sound isnt working on either of them, I imagine ubuntu comes with modules for both of these though... any idea what it could be?
[11:42] <Seveas> if fluxbox wants the root password per se, you need to set it
[11:43] <tiglionabbit> tekk: how are you trying to delete them?
[11:43] <azumanga> tekk: I can delete files as root user. Perhaps you could be more specific? :)
[11:43] <Stealth890> which line is for the boot options?
[11:43] <Stealth890> the one that has the kernel part?
[11:43] <Seveas> loply, try modprobe snd_intel_8x0
[11:43] <Stealth890> ro splash etc.?
[11:43] <Vjaz> Stealth890, yes
[11:43] <Vjaz> Stealth890, yes, that one
[11:43] <Stealth890> k
[11:43] <Vjaz> Stealth890, add noapic and nolapic at the end
[11:43] <Stealth890> apic or apci?
[11:43] <Vjaz> Stealth890, then press B to boot
[11:43] <Vjaz> Stealth890, apic
[11:44] <tiglionabbit> Vjaz: explain what that will do
[11:44] <tekk> Okay, the folder /usr is locked to me.
[11:44] <loply> Seveas: Not found. Im led to believe (by lsmod) that emu10k1 driver has picked up my soundblaster card though.
[11:44] <tekk> Actually, it's /.
[11:44] <Stealth890> ok, im trying that to see how it works...
[11:44] <Stealth890> not even the LiveCD worked :(
[11:44] <tiglionabbit> tekk: locked?  I'm asking what method of deleting you are using.  Are you typing rm, using nautilus or konqueror, or what?
[11:44] <Stealth890> and i tried Kanotix Live and it loaded...I guess I'll have to install Kubuntu
[11:45] <Stealth890> if this doesnt work
[11:45] <Seveas> Stealth890, kubuntu and ubuntu use the same underlying software
[11:45] <tekk> This is just right-click, delete.
[11:45] <Vjaz> tiglionabbit, it disables APIC, which is an interrupt controller. It caused trouble on a laptop of mine, so I thought this might be a case of the same problem.
[11:45] <azumanga> tekk: did you log into X as root?
[11:45] <tiglionabbit> tekk: you might need to make sure you are running the file browser as root.  Open a terminal and type "sudo nautilus" and input your password
[11:45] <Stealth890> nothing :(
[11:45] <Vjaz> tiglionabbit, nolapic disables local APIC (APIC for uniprocessors iirc)
[11:45] <Stealth890> how long shouldi wait?
[11:45] <Vjaz> Stealth890, it didn't help?
[11:46] <Stealth890> its been like half a minute....
[11:46] <tekk> Ill try that tiglionabbit.
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> what's apic?
[11:46] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, NOOOO
[11:46] <Vjaz> let me check if I instructed you right with that
[11:46] <Stealth890> it usually loads in under 5 seconds
[11:46] <Seveas> never run nautilus with sudo
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> why not?
[11:46] <Seveas> might cause all kinds of Xauthority problems :|
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> better than running X as root
[11:46] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, root should only use the terminal :)
[11:46] <tiglionabbit> how else do you want him to be able to graphically trash files that need root permissions?
[11:47] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, not :)
[11:47] <azumanga> I run X as root all the time
[11:47] <Seveas> i'd recommend nautilus too if it didn't cause trouble sometimes
[11:47] <tiglionabbit> um, so what are you suggesting?
[11:47] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, shell :|
[11:47] <tiglionabbit> if this wasn't ubuntu, I'd tell him to rm
[11:48] <azumanga> People always say "Don't run X as root", but has anyone got a good reason why not to?
[11:48] <Vjaz> stealth890: I remembered the solution wrong. It was ACPI that you were supposed to disable: Add acpi=force and pci=noacpi to the boot line.
[11:48] <tiglionabbit> but for gui users, a trash that can bring files back is much nicer
[11:48] <Vjaz> Stealth890, Just like we already did but instead of "noapic nolapic" put "acpi=force pci=noacpi" there in the end
[11:48] <tiglionabbit> azumanga: because if anyone hacks your session, they have access to everything..   hopefully that never happens
[11:48] <Stealth890> ok
[11:48] <Stealth890> bb
[11:49] <Vjaz> azumanga, also, you could accidentally delete important files
[11:49] <Vjaz> azumanga, like your kernel or all of your programs
[11:49] <tiglionabbit> Vjaz: the point of running the gui file browser as root is to use tha Trash, which makes deleting safer
[11:49] <krmeljivi> Seveas, i just did as u told me to, and it works! thx again
[11:49] <whoops> Everytime I reboot, my GNOME panel icons change position how do I fix this?
[11:49] <Seveas> running X as root is only done by people who don't understand the dangers of it and the benefits of tje Unix security model...
[11:49] <azumanga> Vjaz: But, I could do that from the command line. and I'm not stupid. I ran windows for years and never accidentally deleted my windows directory
[11:49] <Seveas> krmeljivi, nice!
[11:50] <azumanga> Seveas: What dangers?
[11:50] <topyli> Vjaz: that's true but frankly all i genuinely care about are the files i have at my home dir :)
[11:50] <zerokills> hey guys, sometimes in the middle of a movie my computer freezes up, CTRL+ALT+Backspace and CTRL+ALT+F1 do nothing.. the only thing i can do is switch off the computer.. any ideas what could be causing this problem?
[11:50] <tiglionabbit> zerokills: stop using mplayer and switch to vlc?
[11:50] <searcher`> zerokills: sounds like you have the X lockup bug
[11:50] <tekk> Wow, it was that easy....
[11:50] <searcher`> chek the forums
[11:51] <Vjaz> tiglionabbit, well you could use a command line tool that moves files to Trash
[11:51] <searcher`> check
[11:51] <mpupu> why is it that most gnome apps don't have OnlyShowIn=GNOME in their .desktop? it messes with kde menus
[11:51] <Seveas> zerokills, yeah, you're watching too hot pr0n :p
[11:51] <Seveas> the CPU overheats :)
[11:51] <Vjaz> tiglionabbit, dunno of any but you could just make an alias to rm
[11:51] <zerokills> tiglionabbit, i do use VLC
[11:51] <mattyJ> is there anyway to read .chm files under linux?
[11:51] <tekk> Sorry for bothering you with a stupid question, this is my first day on linux. :(
[11:51] <azumanga> topyli: Also true :) Thats my major reason I think the argument "Viruses in linux won't be as bad, as they won't be root". As me they can a) empty my home directory and b) access the internet (of course, there are other good reasons linux is better protected from viruses. Root isn't it)
[11:51] <tekk> Thanks for the help.
[11:51] <Seveas> mpupu, that's work in progress, will be fixed for Breezy
[11:51] <tiglionabbit> zerokills: oh.  then uh, listen to searcher`
[11:51] <Vjaz> that would be a good idea actually
[11:51] <fabio> Hello all ;)
[11:51] <Stealth890> darn it, still didnt work, and it made network interfaces hang...
[11:51] <Seveas> tekk, there are no stupid questions :)
[11:51] <Vjaz> bind "rm" to "mv $1 /tmp/.Trash" or something
[11:51] <zerokills> Seveas, yea my computer likes the lesbians
[11:52] <searcher`> azumanga: actually, there are a lot of Window viruses that use local exploits. the same could be done for linux as well
[11:52] <Seveas> Vjaz, not gonna work :)
[11:52] <LinuxJones> mattyJ, xchm
[11:52] <zerokills> searcher`, is that really a bug?
[11:52] <Vjaz> topyli, well that's fine, but you could accidentally remove *everything* or render your system useless
[11:52] <LinuxJones> mattyJ, it's in the universe repository
[11:52] <searcher`> zerokills: depends on your standpoint
[11:52] <searcher`> if you don't have local users, no
[11:52] <Seveas> Vjaz, alias rm='mv --target-directory=~/.Trash' <-- works better
[11:52] <fnoy> can some one plaes help me i have a problem with firefox
[11:53] <azumanga> Vjaz: Seriously. How likely are you while running X as root fora  brief while to accidentally delete everything? How often do you hear of windows users who accidentally deleted their windows directory?
[11:53] <Stealth890> from what im reading it could be the nvidia drivers?
[11:53] <tiglionabbit> oh now I remember.  You don't want to run internet-related programs as root, because people could utilize buffer-overrun bugs in it to cause that program to do funny things if it's unsecure.  And if it has root, it can mess you up
[11:53] <Seveas> fnoy, the problem being..?
[11:53] <Stealth890> can someone tell me that ocmmand to do after you isntall them to activate it?
[11:53] <Seveas> tiglionabbit, for instance...
[11:53] <Vjaz> Seveas, I didn't mean that to be actual working script.
[11:53] <Stealth890> its in synaptics comments on the install
[11:53] <fnoy> i am a real n00b on linux
[11:53] <Seveas> Stealth890, sudo nvidia-glx-enable
[11:53] <tiglionabbit> I don't see what's wrong with using nautilus as root though
[11:54] <Seveas> Vjaz, i did ;)
[11:54] <Stealth890> ok, im gonna try installing those
[11:54] <fnoy> yes
[11:54] <fnoy> i got it
[11:54] <fnoy> nevermind
[11:54] <fnoy> XD
[11:54] <Seveas> :D
[11:54] <searcher`> tiglionabbit: the system is setup in a way that you don't need to be root to get your daily work done
[11:54] <Seveas> glad we could help you fnoy ;)
[11:54] <searcher`> tiglionabbit: although you _can_ work as root all the time
[11:54] <Uyuu> hi, is there anyway to see if a library is not being used by any application so i can safely delete it?
[11:54] <Seveas> Uyuu, debfoster
[11:54] <azumanga> searcher`: Thats true. However sometimes you need to do some root filed moving / deleting, and why not do it in a GUI?
[11:54] <topyli> Vjaz: yeah. and i'm not advocating root usage here.
[11:55] <tiglionabbit> searcher`: I'm not talking about using it all the time.  I'm talking about using it when you want to use a gui to modify protected files
[11:55] <tmdca> Hi. I just wonder a thing; Is it very hard to make a drawing board to work? o.O
[11:55] <Seveas> azumanga, usually you do not need to do this
[11:55] <searcher`> tiglionabbit: just create a launcher for a root nautilus window
[11:55] <searcher`> next to the root terminal icon :-)
[11:55] <tiglionabbit> searcher`: what's the difference?
[11:55] <searcher`> nothing
[11:55] <Seveas> azumanga, since a user should only touch files in his ~/
[11:55] <searcher`> you can do anything you like
[11:55] <searcher`> that's the whole beauty of it
[11:55] <tiglionabbit> Seveas: then why did you complain when I said to say 'sudo nautilus'?
[11:56] <azumanga> Seveas: True, I can think of about 5 times while running ubuntu I've needed to move files around as root. However, in that case why not do it in a GUI?
[11:56] <Stealth890> sudo nvidia-glx-enable didnt work...
[11:56] <tiglionabbit> oops wrong name
[11:56] <Stealth890> are you sure thats it? :(
[11:56] <Seveas> azumanga, a user who needs to move files as rood should know the CLI ;)
[11:56] <searcher`> hehe
[11:56] <zerokills> Stealth890, ill look it up for you real quick, gimme a minute
[11:56] <Seveas> I'm moving files around as root all the time
[11:57] <Seveas> the CLI is so much faster with that :)
[11:57] <netsurf> anyone knolageable on the grub boot loader
[11:57] <azumanga> I spend most of my life on the CLI
[11:57] <Will__> Turns out my bad install was a crappy CD. I blame nero.
[11:57] <Seveas> netsurf, just ask your question :)
[11:57] <netsurf> ok
[11:57] <azumanga> when you have a big directory and want to grab a bunch of random files, I find a GUI can be quicker
[11:57] <tiglionabbit> I do to, but I believe it should be possible for users to use a gui for it too
[11:57] <topyli> azumanga: use mc in a terminal if the commands are too hard :)
[11:57] <searcher`> SeamusLP: `rm -rf / directory' look familiar? just one space too many
[11:57] <azumanga> hold ctrl and go click click click
[11:57] <Seveas> aaah, mc :D
[11:57] <Seveas> mc, my love
[11:57] <searcher`> you can always find ways to mess up anything
[11:57] <Seveas> with the great vfs
[11:58] <searcher`> vfs?
[11:58] <Seveas> virtual file system
[11:58] <Seveas> cd /#sh:dkaarsem@remote.science.uva.nl/home/dkaarsem/
[11:58] <azumanga> wait, so it's n00b to use a graphical GUI, but l33t to use a text GUI? what kind of sense does that make? ;)
[11:58] <Seveas> and i'm moving files to the university server :)
[11:58] <Stealth890> I GOT IT!
[11:59] <Stealth890> w00t
[11:59] <Stealth890> thx zerokills, i found the command dude :)
[11:59] <Seveas> azumanga, mc is just the best thing since clusterssh :)
[11:59] <searcher`> azumanga: cool, does that mean i'm l33t? :-)
[11:59] <Stealth890> thx guys for all the help
[11:59] <Stealth890> it was the drivers
[11:59] <Stealth890> tricky 6200...
[11:59] <zerokills> Stealth890, sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[11:59] <Seveas> Stealth890, great!
[11:59] <Stealth890> lata
[11:59] <zerokills> Stealth890, oh, yw hehe
[11:59] <Stealth890> ;)
[11:59] <Stealth890> cya
[11:59] <zerokills> later
[11:59] <searcher`> i love working in Xorg though, you can keep more terminals on screen that way ;-)
[12:00] <Seveas> screen :)