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apokryphosdan_: if they're not in the repositories, then you'd have to individually get each one. Dependency hell; debian-systems (and most, now) generally avoid it, but still sometimes...12:02
ztonzyapokryphos, well..3 months after I got my ADSL they gave new customers 24mbit for same as I got my 10mbit...so I think they could be gentle but no, so why not another ISP ?12:02
apokryphosztonzy: it should work perfectly with the mouse-wheel; it does here12:02
ztonzyapokryphos, besides...I dont own my modem, just borrow it12:02
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apokryphosztonzy: yeouch. Speeds there are amazing12:02
ztonzyapokryphos, yes...I could get same speed now too...just pay one time fee, same as per month12:03
apokryphoshow much do you pay for it, roughly?12:03
ztonzy42.90 EUR / Month12:03
ztonzy10/1 mbps12:04
dan_apokryphos: can I not just get an older version of the package somewhere?12:04
nmorseCheck debian.org, dan_12:04
apokryphosdan_: if it's around, sure. Probably worth looking around for12:04
ztonzyapokryphos, hmm installed...cant find the theme in look and themes :-\12:05
apokryphosztonzy: very nice for the price. I'm paying around the same for my 4 meg (but it's by far the cheapest around for the price).12:06
apokryphosztonzy: it should be under Apearrance and Themes > Styles12:06
ztonzyapokryphos, nice...we have kind of broadband war here (again) among the ISP's12:06
ztonzyapokryphos, hmm ok I check12:06
dan_apokryphos: nmorse: thanks12:07
ztonzyapokryphos, it isnt there12:07
apokryphosyou did make and make install, and that went ok?12:07
nmorsedan_: not a problem12:08
dan_nmorse: where would I go to find oold packages12:08
ztonzyapokryphos, yes12:08
nmorseThere should be a packages link on the side of the page on debian.org12:08
nmorseSearching stable is your best bet12:08
apokryphosdoesn't seem to be there12:08
apokryphosdo you recall the version you were using previously, by any chance?12:09
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dan_0.3.7 I think12:10
nmorseThe SourcForge page should have the older versions stored somewhere12:10
dan_no, it seems their first SF release was 0.3.912:11
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dan_I am very close of just compiling it from source :-(12:12
apokryphosThat won't help, as you'll still need the other new packages, I guess...12:12
dan_I know12:13
apokryphosI found the source of older packages, if you want them..12:13
apokryphosIf it works it'll be worth it; compiling isn't that bad. Ask Gentoo ;)12:14
dan_oh, that looks good12:14
dan_I used to compile all of KDE myself12:14
nmorseYou know, you can compile KDE faster than Mozilla Firefox?12:15
apokryphosno way12:16
nmorseYeah, yeah you can12:16
apokryphosall of KDE?12:16
nmorseI ran Gentoo for months12:16
nmorseI compiled all of the KDE packages (and X.org for that matter) faster than I could get Firefox to compile12:16
nmorseFirefox's source is the devil12:17
nmorseRiddell: is it just me, or is Kexi the only application in the KOffice source tarball that doesn't compile with dpkg-buildpackage?12:17
Riddellnmorse: that's deliberate12:19
nmorseWhy is that deliberate?12:19
Riddellnmorse: you can get the breezy source packages from archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool, you'll need to remove the postgresql configure option in debian/rules12:20
Riddellnmorse: because the kexi that comes with koffice is out of date12:20
nmorseSo the Koffice version was just ditched for debian based systems?12:20
nmorseSince it will always be behind?12:21
nmorsearchive.ubuntu.org is using the development version of Apache?12:25
nmorseWhich question was that a yes to?12:27
Riddellyes debian and kubuntu are packaging kexi separately from koffice12:27
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nmorseDoes the non-KOffice version still work in the KOffice workspace shell?12:30
nmorseI would bet not, as it probably is the one they're making cross platform, and not dependent on KDE12:33
nmorseSo why don't we just package 2 and name one kexi-koffice?12:34
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danokay, success!12:35
danI fulfilled the dependencies and it worked12:35
apokryphoscool :)12:40
danlast question, I promise:12:47
danwhat is the best place to get the latest beta foro OO 2.0?12:47
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_markHello all.  Just installed kubuntu and LOVE it.   ON install it didn't give me choice to install lilo over grub.  I want to use lilo. How do I switch ?12:49
_markor reinstall so to use lilo instead?12:49
_marki did apt-get install lilo, then liloconfig and /sbin/lilo and rebooted, but grub still comes up12:49
_markIs anyone here?12:52
danyeah, but I do not know the answer ;-)12:52
danbut I am also interested in getting graphics bootup going12:53
_markwhen i installed mandrake it gave me choice of lilo or grub didn't see that here 12:53
danright, MDK is a lot nicer for the average Joe12:53
danth ereason I am using Kubuntu on this computer is that it is by far the best distro to run on the Inspiron 600012:54
dan(I am actually here on a friend's computer)12:54
_marki wiped out my mandrake.   So far I really like ubuntu, speed is way higher than mandrake12:54
danI am personally running MDK 10.2 on my VAIO12:54
danbut you really have to hunt for your setup programs12:55
_marknot really, there is a link to a different set of repositiores.  it has almost everything i use12:55
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danI was mainly referring to hardware and system setup12:56
nmorseYeah, (K)Ubuntu has great hardware support12:58
nmorseAnd I miss lilo as well12:58
nmorseBut I haven't taken the time to try to reinstall lilo myself12:58
_markDoes anyone know how to install lilo voer grub? it didn't seem to work for me12:58
nmorseYou may have to lilo /dev/hda12:58
nmorseReinstalling the MBR with lilo is the way to go12:58
nmorseman lilo has all the info on that12:59
_markyeah i tried that and it didn't take.. 12:59
_markapt-get install lilo, liloconfig /sbin/lilo still boots grub12:59
nmorseAnd I wonder if there is a wiki on it on ubuntu.com?12:59
_marki'm looking, i dont see it.  I think regular ubunto gives you choice but not kunbuntu12:59
nmorseWait, did you try 'lilo /dev/hda mbr' (I think that's the command, been too long)01:00
nmorseNeither give choice01:00
nmorseI installed from Ubuntu01:00
_markthey should let you choose.01:00
_markI'll try that command 01:00
nmorseI wish they would let me choose, though I bet one could get lilo using one of the alternate filesystems at install01:01
FoamY_is_awaydoes anyone know of any internet courses for linux?01:01
FoamY_is_awaythat might help me to learn ubuntu/kubuntu better?01:02
nmorseCan't think of any for Kubuntu/Ubuntu01:02
nmorseThere are several places like brainbench.com that offer meaningless certificates in general linux administration01:03
nmorseBut that's not what you're looking for01:03
FoamY_is_awayi really want to learn the wright way01:03
FoamY_is_awayso that i can do more things on my own01:03
FoamY_is_awayand help my freinds who appear to be interested in the os01:04
nmorseHmm, what do you want to learn?01:04
nmorselinux.org has some tutorials for using the command line (called Linux 101)01:05
FoamY_is_awayi need to be able to help them with tech support basicly01:05
_markI'd just get a regular book on linux itself that is the best.  For most things it is all the same01:05
nmorseGet a Debian book if possible01:05
FoamY_is_awayok do they have like debian for dummies or somthin?01:05
nmorseHmm, I don't know about the For Dummies series (they prefer Red Hat/FC)01:05
FoamY_is_awayi like this specific distro01:05
FoamY_is_awayit's the easyest to use i think01:06
FoamY_is_awayi mean what could be easyer than apt-get ^^_^01:06
nmorseYeah, Kubuntu is basically Debian Sid, but updated every 6 months instead01:06
apokryphosFoamY_is_away: there's a lot of stuff on the Net for basic introductions to Linux and the like; you'll want to check some tutorials/guides01:06
nmorseSo any general Debian book will have the info you need probably01:06
nmorseI learned bash shell scripting from Debian 2.1 GNU/LINUX UNLEASHED01:06
FoamY_is_awayok because one of my freinds on the net has a really weard problem01:06
FoamY_is_awaywhats bash shell?01:07
nmorseIt's the shell you use when you open Konsole01:07
FoamY_is_awayoh ok01:07
FoamY_is_awayi see01:07
FoamY_is_awayno matter how he tryes to do it he can't install ubuntu on his box01:07
nmorseHmm, there really does need to be a beginner's course in this stuff I suppose01:08
nmorseBut where would it be put?01:08
FoamY_is_awayand it's driving me nuts we tryed the cd's they sent .iso cds01:08
FoamY_is_awayand it won't use them at all01:08
FoamY_is_awaythat would be a good place ^_^01:08
nmorseOk, step 1: does his computer boot from other CD's?01:08
FoamY_is_awayyes and it's configured in the bios01:09
FoamY_is_awayto do so too01:09
nmorseOkay, step 1: check01:09
FoamY_is_awayi amde him clean his cd rom as well with a lens cleaner01:09
nmorseStep 2 (which should be step 0): does his CD drive work?01:09
FoamY_is_awayhe can install win 98 and xp pro01:10
FoamY_is_awayfrom cd without boot disk01:10
nmorseWhat error does he get on boot then?01:10
FoamY_is_awaythats the weardest part nothing01:10
FoamY_is_awayit just dosen't boot from the disk at all01:10
FoamY_is_awayi've never herd of such a thing01:11
nmorseOk, when you put the CD in in Windows, what are the contents?01:11
FoamY_is_awayit has just the autorun.inf and various config and .cab files01:11
FoamY_is_awayyea it's got me stumped01:12
nmorseSo you're sure it was burned properly?01:12
FoamY_is_awayhe orderd the disks from the shipping shop01:13
FoamY_is_awaythey had to have burnt 10 disks wrong01:13
nmorseOkay, so that doesn't leave a whole lot of options01:13
FoamY_is_awayyea it's weard01:13
FoamY_is_awayevery single person i handed my 10 out to installed it without hassel01:14
FoamY_is_awaythis is the first time i ever herd of a set of disks not working01:14
FoamY_is_awaynot even the live cd01:14
nmorseBut his won't even boot the disk?01:14
nmorseNot any of the disks of any variety?01:15
FoamY_is_awayhe tryed redhat too and it woulden't boot it01:15
FoamY_is_awayhis pops got it for him01:15
nmorseWait, so his CDROM drive only boots Windows Install CD's?01:15
nmorseThat's messed up01:15
FoamY_is_awaythats what it almost seems like01:15
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FoamY_is_awayi herd a rumor but his box is a little to old01:16
nmorseSounds like maybe his BIOS is busted and Windows has a fix for it Debian doesn't01:16
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nmorseI've heard of such things as broken BIOS's before01:16
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FoamY_is_awaythe rumor is certain computer manufactures are making motherboards01:16
FoamY_is_awaythat are built for windows only due to an exstra chip on them01:17
nmorseLook, Palladium (a.k.a. the rumor) is not in production yet01:17
FoamY_is_awayi can't conferm if it's true01:17
nmorseI know, I keep tabs on it (mostly due to the fact that it seems stupid)01:17
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ChurcH_of_FoamYi know01:17
ChurcH_of_FoamYit's the weardest thing is it possibly trye?01:17
nmorseIt hasn't happened yet AFAIK01:17
ChurcH_of_FoamYthats what i thought01:18
nmorseAnyway, has he tried swapping in another CDROM drive?01:18
nmorseHis CDROM drive may have a broken instruction set or somesuch too01:18
ChurcH_of_FoamYhe would but he dosen't have one01:18
nmorseThen we have a minor problem01:18
ChurcH_of_FoamYi have run acrost computers that had a burnt cd rom01:18
ChurcH_of_FoamYhe has network boot though01:18
nmorseBah, make him an install floppy01:19
ChurcH_of_FoamYit'd be nice if i could figure out how to do it acrost the net01:19
ChurcH_of_FoamYhmm thats not a bad idea do they work well?01:19
nmorseAs well as floppies ever do01:19
ChurcH_of_FoamYok will it give him ubuntu?01:19
ChurcH_of_FoamYor will it be a diffrent type of install?01:20
nmorseHmm, it should work with either really, but I don't even know where to get said install floppy01:20
ChurcH_of_FoamYtime for google01:21
nmorseI know Debian Sarge has them, but I have no idea on Kubuntu (then again, my Woody rescue CD saved the day on more distros than I can count)01:21
ChurcH_of_FoamYi want to crete a rescue disk01:21
ChurcH_of_FoamYi hear there handy01:21
nmorseHmm, gfloppy should work for that01:22
nmorseIf you want a rescue floppy01:22
nmorseBut I prefer rescue CD's01:22
ChurcH_of_FoamYi have a burner in my box and it likes linux alot ^_^01:23
ChurcH_of_FoamYhmm lots of stuff for making a debian install floppy but nothing for ubuntu01:24
nmorseI love kernel 2.6 since there's no more need for ide-scsi for CD-RW drives01:26
nmorseLinux was never ready for the desktop until 2.601:26
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ChurcH_of_FoamYi think it's just about ready now01:27
ChurcH_of_FoamYi orderd a 100 cd's and am hoping to drop them off at local business01:27
ChurcH_of_FoamYsome of them are gona charge me for shelf space though01:28
ChurcH_of_FoamYso in some places i'll have to put a price tags on the disk01:28
nmorseTo hand out a free product?01:28
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea go figure01:28
nmorseCrap, just bring a little stand like the free newspapers and Auto Traders go in01:28
ChurcH_of_FoamYhmm never thought of that i have a welder to in the basement01:29
ChurcH_of_FoamYi could just make it out of thick coat hangers or something i suppose01:29
nmorseJust make a little CD stand and see if they'll let you put that on a counter somewhere01:29
ChurcH_of_FoamYthe computer shops are gonna let me have shelf space for free01:29
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea i figure customers go in there se the nice cd's and ask how much they are01:30
nmorseYou should tell them to find somewhere in the area who'll work on contract doing tech support for it01:30
ChurcH_of_FoamYthen they tell them there for free01:30
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea thats why i wanna learn it01:30
nmorseWhat CD's are you putting there?01:30
nmorseLive I hope?01:31
ChurcH_of_FoamYthe new hoary 5.04 cd's that i orderd01:31
nmorsePerhaps Live/Install?01:31
ChurcH_of_FoamYyea they come with install and live 01:31
ChurcH_of_FoamYand there really very nice01:31
ChurcH_of_FoamYthe artwork is superb and the case isn't flimsy like i thought it would be01:31
ChurcH_of_FoamYeven the cd's don't have the appearance of being cheap01:32
nmorseHmm, I bet that art is distributed for free too01:32
ChurcH_of_FoamYthey look like good quality01:32
nmorseIf I had one of those new DVD burners that burns the disk label on I'd make sets of those Live/Install DVD's01:32
ChurcH_of_FoamYoh the um whats it called 01:33
ChurcH_of_FoamYhp makes em01:33
ChurcH_of_FoamYshit what is it01:33
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ChurcH_of_FoamYlight scribe01:33
ChurcH_of_FoamYthere we go ^_^01:33
ChurcH_of_FoamYthat joged the old 72pin ram01:33
nmorseLaCIE makes those too, even for the Mac01:33
ChurcH_of_FoamYwow nice01:33
nmorseThey're cheaper and external too01:33
nmorseSaw one of the HP ones at Wal-Mart the other day too01:34
ChurcH_of_FoamYthats one of the places i'm gonna drop some cd's01:34
nmorseWal-Mart Electronics counter?01:34
nmorseToo bad you don't have high-quality brochures about Kubuntu to give out as well01:35
ChurcH_of_FoamYi can put them in the electronics isle01:35
nmorseIf you had brochures too, you could really use a stand, with holders for both01:35
nmorseAnd the big Kubuntu/Ubuntu logo welded into the front01:35
nmorseHmm, I wonder01:36
ChurcH_of_FoamYthat would be awsome01:36
nmorseSomeone could probably contract out to Canonical to do that and get paid for it01:36
ChurcH_of_FoamYi would do it in a heart beat01:36
ChurcH_of_FoamYbut i have exstra materials01:36
ChurcH_of_FoamYso i'd do it for nothin01:36
ChurcH_of_FoamYas long as they made mention of my name01:37
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strHi every101:38
strany1 has already been able to intsall customizegoogle in firefox?01:39
nmorseThere's a problem with installing the extensions01:39
nmorseIn Firefox, type about:config and hit enter01:39
nmorseThen in the filter box, type vendor01:40
nmorseThere should be a string that says general.useragent.vendorSub01:40
nmorseAlong that line there is an area that says 1.0.201:40
nmorseChange that to 1.0.401:40
strnmorse: 1.0.4  done that..01:40
nmorseAnd customizegoogle still won't install01:41
strbut stilll cannot install  the customizegoogle .....  all other are installed and work (addblok, greasymonkey, etc..)01:41
strnmorse: what about you? does your firefox try to install it?01:43
strmine keeps waiting -I-don't-know-what- ....01:43
nmorseIt worked just fine for me, but I upgraded my Mozilla Firefox from backports01:44
nmorseThe bugfixes that came out in 1.0.4 that weren't security related haven't been backported to Ubuntu's default yet01:45
strnmorse: where did you install it from?01:45
nmorseThe backports repository01:45
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StRnmorse: no.. i mean the extension01:47
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nmorseGot to go: Episode III starts in 15 minutes01:48
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martinhas anyone had success installing kdissert on kubuntu hoary?01:55
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__P__3how can i compile nvidia drivers with gcc 4 ?02:11
__P__3it told me that kernel is compiled on 3.4 02:11
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moshehow long does a typical desktop installation of Kubuntu take?02:13
snowseal__P__3,  i did install 3.4 gcc or both even.02:14
snowsealmoshe,  30 mins?02:14
__P__3yes maybe but i can't pass the righ gcc02:14
moshethat's not a big deal02:14
__P__3i have gcc 3.4 on my system 02:15
__P__3but nvidia installer see 4.002:15
mosheis it possible to enable the root account?  I'm not sure I understand this whole no root account business.02:15
MartinHohenbergmoshe: it *is* possible (have done it, for convinience), but do you really want that?02:16
moshewhy wouldn't I?02:16
mosheI don't understand the advantage of not having a root account.02:16
snowsealwhats speciall abou uuntu's root account?02:16
mosheI'm not criticizing, either.  I really do want to understand the logic behind it.02:17
mosheI'm planning on installing this tonight over Slackware.02:17
MartinHohenbergwell, ubuntu is targeted at the mom&pop boxes. those guys do better without an extra root account they might tend to use as the standard one - because it is easier to install things (read: screw the system)02:17
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moshebut what about us non-mom&pop types?02:17
snowsealjust start a root terminal.02:18
mosheI've read only good things about ubuntu/kubuntu, and I'm interested in trying it, but I want to understand what I'm jumping into, first.02:18
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MartinHohenbergwell, i've fired up gnome, started a root shell, passwd root, and all was ok for me02:18
moshewhat prevents someone from getting root access on my system?02:18
MartinHohenbergmoshe, that is not the focus of ubuntus non-root policy02:18
kalenedraeli set a root pw02:19
moshethe focus is simplicity?02:19
kalenedraelthey have to have one set by default... the login shell is not /sbin/nologin02:19
mosheI don't understand what that means02:20
mosheI'm not completely wet behind the ears, but I'm not an expert, either.02:20
MartinHohenbergmoshe, the focus is making users think before using their root power. this is easyer if they have to enter their password any other time than entering it once at login time02:23
mosheI see02:24
kalenedraeli used to use root as my default login...02:24
MartinHohenbergif you knew how many windows-newbies I've seen who used root as the standard account, you'd know what I mean.02:24
kalenedraelthen figured that it was bad...02:24
mosheMartinHohenberg, I know exactly what you mean02:24
kalenedraelthat was in the first month or so of using linux02:24
MartinHohenbergkalenedrael: I do not hope you learned the hard way like my customers did.02:24
kalenedraeler, first couple weeks02:24
kalenedraelwell, there was relatively little that i could lose02:25
kalenedraelit's not like i had gigs and gigs of critical data02:25
kalenedraeli also used IRC as root... yeah, those were the noob times02:25
kalenedraelthat ended up getting me a virus of some sort02:26
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kalenedraelreinstalled and vowed never to do that again :P02:26
MartinHohenbergthe problem is, that now, as linux starts to embrace the desktop user, it has to deal with the desktop users unwillingness to do things right. Better take away some direct power before they kill their last months work result and blame the machine for their stupidity ;)02:27
kalenedraelthat makes sense02:27
MartinHohenbergWindows fails to do this, and we all know and *love* the results, don't we?02:27
kalenedraeli was confused by the lack of root access in kubuntu when i installed it02:27
kalenedraelyeah, we do02:28
cartel_i just adopt a zero tolerance policy for stupid people02:28
MartinHohenberghowever: you *can* get root access in (k)ubuntu ... but I highly recommend you only do this if you know exactly what you are doing.02:28
cartel_sudo su -02:29
kalenedraelyes, i did02:29
cartel_sudo passwd02:29
kalenedraeli did "sudo passwd"02:29
kalenedraelto get root access02:29
cartel_if you're anything more than a bottom feeding cluebie you should be allowed root02:29
MartinHohenbergcartel_: You can do this as long as your paycheck is not dependant on your policy against your newbies.02:29
cartel_MartinHohenberg: my paycheck comes from fixing newbies mistakes02:29
kalenedraelit's nice to have an accessible root account, but i hardly use it02:30
kalenedraeli do things like compile the kernel as root02:30
kalenedraelor drivers02:30
cartel_thats what fakeroot is for02:30
kalenedraelyou can theoretically do everything with sudo02:30
MartinHohenbergi do not see how you need root to *compile* the kernel02:30
kalenedraeli don't02:30
kalenedraeli prefer to do it that way02:30
MartinHohenbergI've asked that question about an hour ago or something, but the channel was pretty dead back then. Has anyone managed to compile kdissert for kubuntu hoary?02:32
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Gfaulthi all02:32
MartinHohenberghi Gfaulr02:33
Gfaulti'm from Brazil02:34
Gfaultno speak english corretly02:35
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snowsealwhat should i do to mount my ntfs drives rw, kinda safely..?03:43
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xehi !Does anybody know any portuguese mirror fot kubuntu with the kde 3.4.1?03:45
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xehi !Does anybody know any portuguese mirror fot kubuntu with the kde 3.4.1?03:47
xehi !Does anybody know any portuguese mirror fot kubuntu with the kde 3.4.1?03:53
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_douglasHow do I manually change the x resolution while it's running, kde won't let me go past 640x480 on this old crappy monitor yet I know it goes up to 1024x768?04:07
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penguinboyhello guys and gals04:23
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penguinboyhey guys04:39
kalenedraela moment ago you said "hello guys and gals"04:40
penguinboyi am fickle04:40
penguinboyhow r u kalendrael?04:41
kalenedraelnot bad04:41
penguinboyhow many years have you used Linux?04:41
kalenedraela few04:46
kalenedraeli recall the transition...04:46
kalenedraelwin98 fuxes itself rapidly and unexpectedly after about a year of functioning properly04:47
kalenedraelto the point where it starts crashing very often (often enough to be utterly unusable)04:47
kalenedraelthen the mouse broke04:47
kalenedraeland lots of programs broke, for no good reason04:47
kalenedraeli had just downloaded red hat 804:48
kalenedraeland burned it onto CDs04:48
kalenedraeli quickly burned all my documents and stuff onto CD (without the help of a mouse, no less)04:48
kalenedraelthen installed linux04:49
kalenedraellinux was so... new at that time04:49
kalenedraelto me, at least04:50
kalenedrael(the OS itself was not very new)04:50
kalenedraeli think the fact that windows had been pissing me off and that i did not have windows install disks anywway prevented me from going back04:51
kalenedraelglad i stuck with linux now...04:51
penguinboyare you 100% Linux04:51
kalenedraeli have dual boot on this and my dad's computer has windows04:52
kalenedraelok, of 5 serviceable computers i own, 3 are pure linux, 1 is windows, 1 is dual04:52
penguinboymy desk has 2 hdds...80 gig Windows and 80 gig Kubuntu....my lap is 100% Kubuntu04:54
penguinboywhat other distros are you currently runnign?04:55
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kalenedraelkubuntu on this one (the dual-boot laptop), FC3 on two of the three desktops, and mandrake 10.0 on the other one04:56
monchyhey penguin04:56
kalenedraeli hardly use the desktops... two of the three aren't even hooked up04:56
penguinboyi neer did like Mandrake....I used FC before Ubuntu04:57
kalenedraeli hated mandrake04:57
monchyoof mandrake04:57
kalenedraelif i ever dig that mandrake box out of the pile of shit it's in right now, i am wiping it and installing kubuntu04:57
monchythey are absorbing all sorts of distros now04:57
penguinboyMandrake is like Playschool Linux04:58
monchyi don't understand why it's so high on distrowatch04:58
penguinboynor i04:58
kalenedraelwonder what i should do with my two PPCs04:59
kalenedraelboth old tower types04:59
kalenedraelyeah, i guess05:00
kalenedraelmandrake pissed me off05:00
kalenedraelit was slow and looked gay05:00
monchytry fedora05:00
penguinboyhe has FC05:00
penguinboytransgress has just deserted to GentooLand05:01
monchycore 4 is groovy, someone released something called yum extender, alot like synaptic05:01
kalenedraeli used fc305:01
kalenedraeldon't know about fc405:01
penguinboyi used FC1 and 205:01
kalenedraelif i feel up to it i will yum dist-upgrade (or whatever the command is)05:01
kalenedraelkubuntu is nice, though05:02
penguinboythere were a lot of updates to download this evening!05:02
monchyit's hard to settle though eh lol05:02
kalenedraelhmm, updates05:02
kalenedraeltomorrow i have to get up at 5:45AM, wtf05:02
kalenedraeland it's 11PM05:03
penguinboyso sorry05:03
kalenedraeloh well05:03
kalenedraelno, trip05:03
kalenedraelumm, did you say there were a lot of updates?05:04
kalenedraeli don't seem to be getitng them05:04
penguinboyyes sir05:04
kalenedraeli did apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade05:04
penguinboydoes aptitude make a difference?05:05
kalenedraelnever used it05:07
kalenedraelbut it has a "Play minesweeper" option, so i declare it "cool"05:07
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penguinboytype sudo aptitude update and then sudo aptitude upgrade and then sudo aptitude dist-upgrade05:08
kalenedraeldist-upgrade o.O05:09
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kakaltog'd avo05:11
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kalenedraeldoesn't work05:12
kalenedraeldoesn't do anything05:13
penguinboysudo aptitude dist-upgrade05:13
kalenedraeltime to change my sources.list05:13
kalenedraeli tried that05:13
penguinboythat is off05:14
penguinboynot off05:14
penguinboyworks for me05:14
kalenedraelhow often do you do update?05:15
penguinboyevery day05:15
penguinboy1st thing i do when i sit down at the computer05:15
kalenedraelyeah, so do i, if i can05:15
kalenedraelwhat apt repos do you use?05:15
penguinboylet me see05:15
penguinboykalenedrael: did you get it?05:18
kalenedraelgetting it05:18
kalenedraelit's slow05:18
penguinboyi pc'd it to you05:19
kalenedraelit's slow, though05:19
kalenedraelit's all there05:19
kalenedraeltook more than a minute...05:19
penguinboywas mine much different from yours?05:21
kalenedraelyeah, i use "archive.ubuntu.com"05:22
kalenedraelyou use the US repos05:22
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kalenedraelpenguinboy, well, still05:24
penguinboyI think I am going to go to bed and read some in "Running Linux"05:25
penguinboynight guys.......05:26
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Klementashi all06:20
unomeubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net ( down?06:21
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Klementaswhat's a good auth server to get?06:22
KlementasI see that one isn't listed in the /etc/inetd.conf06:23
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Brazmetaldoes anyone here use HPLIP?06:29
Klementaswhat is the command to get KDE after I place the line from the topic in my sources.list ?06:30
Klementasdo I still use apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?06:31
Brazmetaldoes anyone here use HPLIP?06:37
KlementasI don't06:38
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Klementaswhat is the command to get KDE after I place the line from the topic in my sources.list ?07:07
Klementasdo I still use apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?07:07
Klementasok, thanks07:16
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=== ..[topic/#kubuntu:Mez] : KOffice 1.4 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php | KDE 3.4.1: deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde341 hoary-updates main | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ | Use archive.ubuntu.com if us.archive.ubuntu.com gives md5sum errors | sudo sed -e 's/us.archive/archive/' -i /etc/apt/sources.list". || Happy Birthday Mez
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Klementaswho's bright idea was it to compile links without gpm support?09:08
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Klementasok, here goes the kubuntu-desktop install09:18
Klementasthe mouse stuff09:35
KlementasI can't cut and paste because links was compiled without gpm09:36
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KlementasI wish that kubuntu-desktop didn't include openoffice.org09:37
m0ns00nIt's impossible to install kubuntu on a SATA setup09:39
Klementasno drivers, m0ns00n ?09:40
m0ns00ndoesn't even boot09:40
m0ns00nGrub doesn't find the disk09:40
m0ns00nSo we have to use a normal ata one now09:40
m0ns00nlilo only says 99999999999999999999909:40
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KlementasI'll soon have that sweet, sweet kopete09:42
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liz4rdhow do i install ALL of the screensavers?11:20
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CherryX^Hey, i'm having problems installing a c compiler on kubuntu11:52
CherryX^any ideas how to do it?11:52
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CherryX^c/C++ *11:52
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Kamping_Kaiserwhat problem?11:56
JessicaX^Well, it's just not doing it11:58
JessicaX^I installed via sudo apt-get install ~11:58
JessicaX^but still, it says11:59
JessicaX^that the Compiler fails sanity check11:59
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apokryphosJessicaX^: try installing build-essential12:02
apokryphosJessicaX^: you shouldn't get that error when apt-getting anything; only when compiling...12:02
JessicaX^apokryphos, sudo apt-get install build-essential12:08
JessicaX^sudo apt-get install build-essential?12:08
apokryphosthat's right12:08
JessicaX^Thx babe12:08
mindspinwhere do I set the  default charset in kubuntu?12:15
JessicaX^the build-essential didnt have glibc12:18
JessicaX^Any help?12:18
apokryphosJessicaX^: erm, are you sure it all instaleld correctly? The package should pull in gcc12:19
apokryphosyou definitely shouldn't be getting that error if you install build-essential... 12:20
JessicaX^sudo apt-get install build-essential12:20
JessicaX^that's what i used12:20
apokryphosand does it all go ok?12:20
JessicaX^yes, but still12:21
JessicaX^says i have the latest version12:21
JessicaX^and yet, still compiling doesn't work12:21
JessicaX^Any ideas why?12:21
JessicaX^0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 35 not upgraded.12:22
apokryphosJessicaX^: is it the same error when trying to compile?12:22
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JessicaX^sanity check fails12:22
apokryphosone sec12:23
chxHi. I have a new hard disk. Plugged it into an USB rack. Later I will move it to primary master (/dev/hda). I'd like to make it bootable. All I get is "GRUB Hard disk error."12:23
apokryphosJessicaX^: do you want to do dpkg -l|grep g++ ... just to check that it's definitely there.12:24
apokryphosJessicaX^: what does it return?12:25
JessicaX^ii  g++            3.3.5-1        The GNU C++ compiler12:26
JessicaX^ii  g++-3.3        3.3.5-8ubuntu2 The GNU C++ compiler12:26
apokryphossorry, no idea then why it's not working. What is it that you're trying to compile?12:28
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apokryphosyou're trying to *compile* firefox?12:32
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JessicaX^checking for glib-2.0 >= 2.6.0    atk >= 1.0.1    pango >= 1.8.0... Package glib-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.12:33
apokryphosapart from hearing yesterday that it takes hours to do so, just why would you want to compile?12:33
JessicaX^Well, i wanted to make sure that the compiler works12:33
JessicaX^so i just thought to get firefox12:33
apokryphosI heard yesterday that ff takes longer to compile than all of KDE, so not the best choice...12:33
JessicaX^well, still12:33
JessicaX^glibc is apparently missing12:33
apokryphosdo you have libglib2.0-dev ?12:34
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apokryphosYou'll probably need X includes for most compiling, too; do you have those installed?12:34
JessicaX^i'll paste if it fails12:34
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ztonzyapokryphos, hi :)12:38
ztonzyliz4rd, ?12:47
liz4rdoops i thought somone needed a better sources.list file12:49
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moshehello, folks01:01
mosheis there a guide for configuring the media:/ kioslave?01:01
mosheI installed kubuntu last night and was suprised that it wasn't automatically configured when the latest kubuntu livecd has it already configured.01:02
ztonzyliz4rd, but it was local file ;)01:03
liz4rdi uploaded it01:07
liz4rdi just realised01:08
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pinballkidhi there, I would like to install kubuntu on colinux. I am a complete newbie to both kubuntu and colinux, so I'm trying to find a good guide on how to do this. Could anyone point me in the right direction?02:14
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Mezkubuntu is a different operating system to colinux (in laymans terms) It's not possible to install one on the other.02:29
Mezyou can install KDE on colinux02:29
Mezbut you'd have to try for suypport in #kde02:29
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MartinHohenbergconfigure: error: Your Installation isn't able to compile simple C++ programs.02:35
MartinHohenbergCheck config.log for details - if you're using a Linux distribution you might miss02:35
MartinHohenberga package named similiar to libstd++-dev.02:35
MartinHohenbergwell, libstdc++6-dev is installed.02:36
pinballkidMez: But I'm sure I've seen people saying that its possible to install custom distros on colinux02:36
MezI'm not too sure about colinux... but it's a different distro02:36
MezI wouldnt suggest using colinux anyway, it doesnt look like a good diea02:37
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rodolfohello, smb4k does not allow me to mount a share, it says: "smbmnt must be installed suid root...". how can I fix it?03:28
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Kamping_Kaiserset the uid.03:29
Kamping_Kaisersudo chown 4??? filename03:29
rodolfoI don't remenber the command...03:29
Kamping_Kaiser4555 or similar03:29
rodolfook, I'll try03:30
Kamping_Kaiserlocate it, then change it's ownership03:30
rodolfoyes; but is this the default installation of smb4k in kubuntu?03:30
Kamping_Kaisernot sure, i don't have smb4k installed.03:31
rodolfodo you know if I will be able to mount shares of mac OSX computers?03:32
Kamping_Kaiseryou should be able to. but i don't know03:33
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Tm_Thullo hussam 04:21
ice_1963yes i am 04:22
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hussamis there any way to rebuild OO.o with crystal icons like ones in SuSE?04:43
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Skaagany feeds where I can find krita?04:45
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Tm_TSkaag: it's in Koffice 1.404:49
Tm_TSkaag: and you find it from topic ;)04:49
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Skaagbrilliant :-)04:57
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SkaagI wish that window drop shadow patch was included in the kubuntu kde04:57
Skaagwould look amazing04:58
buzi want xgl04:58
Skaagyes that would be unbeleivably cool as well!! even more so in fact04:58
sproingiedrop shadows require compositing ... slow as hell04:59
buzunusable on my 3ghz machine, really04:59
sproingiei want looking glass to mature into something useful04:59
buzi dont think that concept is useful per se04:59
sproingienot so much for the gee-wiz 3d stuff, but having a good wm built on an opengl base05:00
buzwhatt is i with the vnc lag all of sudden05:00
sproingiei dont think looking glass itself is all that useful, but something using the 3d might eventually be05:00
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sproingiebut nothing will use those 3d effects until we have a wm that supports it05:00
buzbut it just might be that we get xgl before ms gets longhorn out ;)05:01
sproingiewhat's xgl?05:01
buzopengl accelerated X05:01
sproingiei'm guessing another nvidia-only thing ... likelihood of ATI supporting it seems zero05:02
buzmy next vga card will be nvidia for sure05:03
sproingietho if it's built on glx, i guess ati would actually have a leg up05:03
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sproingiei got a good ati card cheap, and it looks nice on windows05:03
sproingiealways liked ati's color quality better05:03
sproingieit's actually pretty good on linux too, but i don't game on linux.  runs blender mad fast tho05:04
buzi use dvi so i could care less05:04
sproingiethere's still color differences05:05
sproingiepretty subtle overall tho05:05
buzthere shouldnt be05:05
buzmaybe its calibration related05:05
sproingiesome 3d renders lose colors in the background, get kind of washed out on the nvidias05:06
sproingiecould just be default gamma settings tho05:07
sproingieonly ever had one lockup on the ATI on this box that wasn't heat-related05:09
sproingieso the drivers are getting better05:09
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avinoamanyone know what the kde panel process is called?05:22
Tm_Tyou mean kicker?05:22
Tm_Tkicker it is then05:23
avinoamdamn i killalled it and it didn't restart05:23
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avinoamanyone know where firestarter is on kde?05:26
Tm_Tavinoam: hmm, kmenu you mean: run kappfinder05:27
avinoamwhere is it?05:28
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Tm_Tavinoam: use konsole05:28
avinoamon gnome it would show up automatically05:28
Tm_Tkappfinder is tool to update kmenu05:28
avinoamit didn't find firestarter05:30
Tm_Tok, now check your kmenu -> debian -> apps -> net ->05:30
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avinoamit seems that i can enter firestarter in command line05:31
avinoamwhat the hell is kmenu?05:32
avinoamthe little k button?05:32
avinoami don't have debian there05:33
avinoamnow how do i check firewall status?05:34
Tm_Tfirestarter tell it to you05:34
avinoami ran the wizard05:34
avinoamnow where'd it go?05:34
Tm_TI think you can see blue ball with arrow in systray05:35
Tm_Tor red ball05:35
Tm_Tstrange indeed05:36
avinoammaybe i should reboot into gnome to check05:39
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jeramyThere's a package that you have to apt-get before you can see the Debian menu05:48
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penguinboyhey guys and gals06:00
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pointwoodI'm trying to get my new Laserjet 1020 to work with Kubuntu, but I'm failing so far. It is connected through an USB hub. I tried adding it with the wizard in KDE, but there's not driver for 1020, so I tried 1022, but that didn't work06:08
pointwoodI then tried this: http://support.ideainformatica.com/hplj1020/06:08
pointwoodbut when I do "make install-hotplug"06:09
pointwoodI get: /etc/hotplug/usb.usermap: No such file or directory06:09
pointwoodmake: *** [install-hotplug]  Error 206:09
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Ghetekanybody know of a good app to get cd info from amazon/freedb and write tags onto mp3s?06:29
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Skaagdamnit why doesn't amaroK work with the Artsd engine06:48
Ghetekit does...06:48
Skaagnot for me06:48
Skaagxmms works fine with artsd06:48
Skaagso does kaffeine06:48
Skaagit just hangs06:48
Ghetektried reinstalling?06:49
Ghetektry that?06:50
Gheteksudo apt-get reinstall amarok06:50
Ghetekyou know...06:50
Skaagthere's no 'reinstall' operation man... :-)06:51
Skaagthere's a reconfigure, yes06:51
Skaagto reinstall i'll have to uninstall then install06:51
Skaagwith a purge, even better06:51
Ghetekweird. i could have swore i used it06:52
SkaagI can't remove amarok, cuz it will remove kubuntu-desktop???06:52
SkaagGhetek: doesn't work for you either?06:53
Ghetekoh is that integrated too?06:53
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Skaagyes :-(06:53
Skaagwhat gives06:53
Gheteklike open office06:53
Skaagthat's a horrible bug06:53
Ghetekwhat about if you kill all arts processes first?06:53
Skaagsoftware like that should not be a dependency for kubuntu-desktop06:53
SkaagI tried rebooting even, and using amarok first thing06:53
Skaagnothing works, the moment it tries to contact artsd it freezes06:54
Ghetekhow did you get it to use arts?06:54
Skaagthing is, it's the only problematic application06:54
Skaagthe rest are all fine06:54
Skaagin the engines, you select artsd06:54
Ghetek...? so it was working at first06:54
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Gheteknah i dont know06:55
_chrisis there a known problem with webmin-samba? or the samba package from US repo06:55
GhetekSkaag: go to the amarok channel06:56
Ghetekthere are 114 people in there now06:56
Ghetekmore than in here and all geared towards it06:56
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Skaaggood idea!06:57
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_chrisanyone use webmin07:22
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AMIGrAvefor an AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3400+  running kubuntu i386 should I use kernel 686 or k7 ?07:23
shogoukiuse the force07:24
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_christhe repo ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net appears to be down.  any alternatives?07:25
hussamHey, I installed 3 games using wine, but they won't run afterwards because they don't find the cdrom drive, how can I fix this?07:27
AMIGrAvehussam: is your config file ok ?07:29
hussamAMIGrAve: I never did a config file, how do I do that?07:30
hussamAMIGrAve: is there some config file I should create?07:31
AMIGrAvehussam: check if .wine/config has an entry for you cdrom device, the config file is quite simple07:32
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hussamAMIGrAve: there is no config under ~/.wine 07:34
hussamAMIGrAve: there is only dosdevices , drive_c, system.reg, userdef.reg, user.reg07:34
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=== Topic for #kubuntu: Kubuntu help channel | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ | KOffice 1.4 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice-14.php | KDE 3.4.1 http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-341.php
=== Topic (#kubuntu): set by Riddell at Sat Jun 25 20:08:58 2005
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(froud/#Kubuntu) uniq: I see many users have difficulties with the sources.list06:35
frouduniq: is there a list of repositories detailed anywhere06:35
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uniqhmm.. there is something on the wiki.. hang on and i'll check.06:36
uniqwe have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats which explains adding of repositories.. 06:39
uniqhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Repositories explains some how how it works.06:39
red22how about kynaptic/synaptic ask you if you want to update your repository when a better list is available and i tell it "why yes please. ty" heh06:41
froudthanks those will be good for the user guide :-)06:41
red22but i will read those howtos, ty06:41
uniqwe also have http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.122809024706:42
uniqthat explains multiverse06:42
uniqand what's there.06:42
uniqah.. this is what i was looking for http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/06:42
uniq!learn components this will explain what main, restricted, universe, and multiverse are. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/06:44
kinfoInprinted components (memory injection successful)06:44
froudyep, I think I am gonna port this stuff from wiki to docbook and put it in the user guide, it seems stable enough06:45
uniqgreat :)06:45
rexykikyo froud06:45
rexykiki got a great list06:45
rexykikif you want a copy06:46
froudrexykik: list of what, repos's yes please06:46
rexykikyeah, repositories06:46
uniqrexykik: would be great if you published it on the wiki :)06:46
frouduse kubuntu.pastebin.com06:46
rexykiki have it all in my email...if you PM me an address i can send it to you.06:46
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rexykikhasn't failed me yet06:49
froudrexykik: looks normal and stable06:50
froudcaptured thanks06:51
frouduniq: you reckon its ok to add https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to Kubuntu User Guide, it not official?06:53
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uniqI think it would be ok, the info sure is important to people.06:54
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uniqbut then again i don't know if it's a good thing to "officialy" advise people to use backports and such.06:56
froudyes, that's why I am cautious06:56
froudbetter to stay on the safe side, some of those backports install some very unwanted stuff06:57
uniqif i were to choose i'd leave it out for now.. and ask for advise from someone that knows.06:57
uniqyes, i agree.06:57
froudwell ubuntuguide.org tried that and it was rejected06:58
froudwe had this debate over at docteam a few months back06:58
froudboy I love kjot for capturing this stuff06:59
froudsuch a simple but useful app07:00
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froudis there a K equivalent to update-notifier?07:05
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uniqnot in the repositories, no.07:05
uniqnot yet.07:05
uniqit's one of the goals for breezy.07:05
froudwhere is it being developed?07:05
red22uniq the source you pasted is  for kde 3.4.1.. if i only have 3.4.0 can i download kdevelop from there and not break anything?07:05
uniqred22: if you don't want kde 3.4.1 i suggest leaving out the kde 3.4.1 and koffice 1.4 lines.07:06
red22i need kdevelop, but default repositories don't find it when i search for it07:07
unometried the backports?07:07
red22so i was gonna try yours, but saw that it's 3.4.1 ... default install uses 3.4.0 no?07:08
uniqred22: yes, default from ubuntu.com servers uses 3.4.0, the packages are however made by the same people as 'semi-official' updates to kubuntu.07:09
uniqthe kubuntu.org packages that is.07:09
Far^Sidehmm... there seems to be some broken packages when trying to install VLC, what could I do to install it?07:11
uniqred22: take a look at method 2. here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToAccessTheUniverseRepository07:12
rexykikremove the packages and then re apt-get install; will download the ones that will broken07:12
uniq!learn uncomment remove the # at the start of a line.07:12
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uniqfar^side: where do you try to install vlc from? - the official repositories or backports? 07:13
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Far^Sideuniq, sorry forgot to say, it's breezy badger07:13
Far^Sideofficial rep07:14
uniqfar^side: don't use breezy. it will break.07:14
Far^Sideuniq, well, I guess it's to late to downgrade07:14
uniqno, it's not.07:14
Far^Sides/to late/too late07:14
froudFar^Side: yes, uless you know what you are doing, leave breezy for now07:14
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Far^Sideis it possible to do it without having to reinstall?07:15
uniqit is.07:15
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uniqjust change warty to hoary.07:17
uniqand try that.07:17
uniqit's however not supported in any way. and it's not adviseable either.07:17
uniqbut it's possible.07:17
uniqwarty => hoary07:18
uniq4.10 => 5.0407:19
uniqin /etc/apt/preferences07:19
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Far^Sidehmm... that means I would have to say bye bye to OOo 1.9x for now?07:21
uniqopenoffice.org2 is in hoary.07:22
uniqso, no.07:22
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unomeuniq how to check what a system is using: hoary or breezy?07:22
uniqcat /etc/issue.net07:23
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uniq!learn apt-pinning howto for apt-pinning is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PinningHowto07:24
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Far^Sideuniq, so, what is the main difference between hoary and breezy?07:24
uniqfar^side: hoary is stable, breezy is the workingplace for the developers. breezy will break every now and then.07:25
Far^Sideyes, I know...07:25
Far^Sidehow about packages?07:26
uniqhoary packages are older. naturaly.07:26
uniqbut it's not that much a difference for KDE.07:27
uniqwe have backports and semi-official packages for KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4.07:27
red22g2g, ty for help uniq07:28
unomeMaybe some packages will change in the next 3 months prior to breezy's release07:28
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uniqbreezy will get updates that are not backported to hoary, yes. no doubt.07:29
uniqare not/won't be07:29
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nikkia*sigh* i'm still getting hammered by ssh-exploit attempts, i see07:31
uniqi had a series of those a few weeks ago too.07:32
nikkiauniq, i've had about 30 hosts attempt it this week07:33
Far^Sidehmm... does hoary use utf-8?07:33
uniqfar^side: by default, yes, but you can choose.07:33
nikkiahave a little python script that blacklists their IP if it sees a failed ssh connection07:33
uniqnice :)07:33
nikkiaeven so, it only runs once a minute07:33
nikkiaand it looks like my auth.log rolled over, so i only have one blacklisted IP in there now07:34
kayWhy don't you just use portknocking ?07:37
kayRather than to allow anybody access ssh, only start it after you send some well known knock signals07:38
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nikkiakay, too much hassle07:38
kayThere are packages that handle it for you07:39
nikkiait would mean memorising the pattern to gain access07:39
kayLook at e.g. knockd in Debian's07:39
rexykikyou could write it in a script07:39
rexykikthen just execute the script07:40
kayAnd you can make it also very simple07:40
nikkiarexykik: sometimes i have to use the corp. laptop, it has ssh on, but i can't install any other software07:40
kayThe point is, before people even can attack your shh07:40
rexykikblah @ corporate world07:40
kayThey need to e.g. make some http connection to an URL07:40
kayOr "finger" the machine... what you want07:41
kayIt limits the worm style exploit chances to 007:41
nikkiathey don't have a chance anyway, they only get 3 ssh attempts before they're blacklisted07:42
nikkianoone is going to dictionary attack my account in that time :P07:42
kayOne can be sufficient, right?07:42
kayWith an remote exploit in place, that is07:42
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nikkiakay, all i'm seeing are brute force dictionary attacks against a long list of usernames07:43
kayWith ssh, you could only open to IPs that do try ssh on ports07:43
kaythat only you know07:43
nikkiai don't think its even a openssh exploit07:43
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nikkiait looks suspiciously like a cisco ssh exploit, given the usernames07:44
uniqthe easier solution is to make sshd listen to a different port :)07:44
kayMaybe already good enough uniq 07:44
kayI find it more obvious to rather whitelist IPs than to blacklist :p07:47
kaySo, who was at LinuxTag?07:47
nikkiakay, if you always connect from a specific set of IPs, that's fine :)07:47
kaynikkia: I can whitelist my address through the firewall07:48
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Far^Side1 upgraded, 24 newly installed, 814 downgraded, 81 to remove and 1 not upgraded. <-- this will take some time :P08:06
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Slackmanhey all08:18
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Far^Sideis there a way of adding vga=791 to each "kernel ..." line in the menu.lst file, so that it won't get removed when updating/installing a new kernel?08:33
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mrmanicFar^Side: yeah, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst08:35
dabugasis anyone using kooldock?08:35
mrmanicFar^Side: and add vga=791 to your default kopt line08:35
mrmanicFar^Side: and then run update-grub08:36
mrmanicdabugas: yes, I am08:36
mrmanicdabugas: kooldock 0.308:36
dabugasmrmanic: i get a slight flicker at the top right hand of the bar every time i open it08:37
dabugasdo you also get that?08:37
dabugasi've tried both the ubuntu .deb & the debian-sid one08:37
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uniqfar^side: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto - look at the setting kernel parameters section.08:37
uniqhi chx.08:37
mrmanicdabugas: yes.  I get a flicker every time I move the mouse to the edge of the screen where it is hidden.08:38
chxI am running approximately the same programs as I did when I had 768M of RAM + 360M of swap. Now I have 512M more phys RAM and top says 1223596k used08:38
chxuniq: speaking of Grub.. have I asked you about my grub problem? :)08:38
dabugasmrmanic: grrrr. i was hoping it was simply something to do with my configuration, rather than a bug in the problem08:38
mrmanicdabugas: I'm using the debian sid package, I reckon.08:38
uniqchx: don't think you have.08:39
mrmanicdabugas: I think it is an issue in the code, unfortunately.08:39
uniqchx: as for your ram-issue, it's not an issue.. it's just linux taking all your ram buffered.08:39
dabugasmrmanic: it would be alright if i wasn't looking directly AT the bar every time i use it. but of course, that beats the purpose of it, doesn't it? ;(08:40
uniqchx: everything in buffers is free in a way.08:40
chxuniq: so, I have a new hard disk in a usb rack (/dev/sda). Later it'll become primary master (/dev/hda). I'd like to setup grub so it boots. I have tried, but it says "GRUB hard disk error" instead of booting08:40
Choubakait's used to speed up access to common files until some application wants the ram. :)08:40
Choubakaor that's cache.08:41
uniqchx: hmm.. i don't know actually.. i don't use grub my self.. maybe someone else here does? 08:41
dabugasmrmanic: have you experimented with any of the other kicker/docks?08:41
chxuniq: I have only 150M in buffers and 564584k cached...08:41
chxis cached also "free"?08:41
chxOK, any grub experts here?08:42
mrmanicdabugas: I did a long time ago.  tried osxBar, the superkaramba thing, which was really unstable on my box.  Haven't tried anything recently.08:42
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mrmanicAre the usb modules in the initrd in kubuntu?08:43
dabugasmrmanic: ah, superkaramba is probably the only one i haven't tried yet. i'll have a go now. i really like kooldock, but the flicker annoys me too much.08:43
Far^Sidemrmanic && uniq, ok, thank you08:43
mrmanicdabugas: kooldock definitely needs some work to be really excellent.  It serves my needs, and the flicker doesn't bother me that much (I've been using it for >1 year)08:44
mrmanicdabugas: let me know how you like superkaramba and osxBar08:44
uniqfar^side: did the downgrade to hoary work out? 08:44
mrmanicdabugas: if you don't mind.08:44
mrmanicdabugas: if they've gotten more stable and reliable and easier to use, I might make the switch.08:44
Far^Sideuniq, yes, I guess so, going to do a restart no. (Got some error messages, but just did a new aptitude dist-upgrade afterwards)08:45
Far^Sidebtw, is there a way of chaning the monitor refresh rate in a frame buffer virtual console?08:45
uniqfar^side: ok. when you're done i suggest changing back to hoary-only stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list if you haven't already. and then removing /etc/apt/preferences08:45
mrmanicchx: if the usb modules aren't in the initrd, you won't be able to run a usb hard drive as your primary drive, AFAIK08:46
chxmrmanic: I do not want to boot from usb08:46
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chxmrmanic: I want to boot from the disk _later_ when it is HDA08:47
Far^Sideuniq, yes, I have done the sources.list part. (Did it before the downgrade)08:47
Far^Sidewill do the remove pref file part08:47
mrmanicchx: I don't really know then.08:49
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dabugasmrmanic: the tuxbar in superkaramba moves with the same speed as keanu reeves dodging bullets.08:55
nikkiadabugas: woah! :P08:56
mrmanicdabugas: this way you can feel like you're in bullet time ALL the time!08:56
nikkiaawww rats!08:56
nikkiai forgot to bring the .wav files i need, home from the office08:56
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mrmanicnikkia: ssh into work and scp them down.08:57
nikkiamrmanic, doing just that :/08:58
dabugasmrmanic: not really. i just feel that it would be BETTER to be impaled by bullets rather than watching this bar move. of course, i only have 600 mhz atholon.08:58
mrmanicyeah, if nothing else, kooldock does move quickly.08:59
mrmanicI feel as though the kooldock flashing issue would be fairly easily fixed by painting the area before displaying it.09:00
nikkiaargh, my brain is fried09:01
nikkiai can't even work out what 150/25 is :(09:01
uniqnikkia: i have the same problem, my brain is either fried or just to lazy.09:03
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nikkiauniq, i've been in 'crunch time' for the entire life of this project, which has been, umm, 6 weeks09:03
nikkiait was supposed to be delivered 3 weeks before i started :(09:04
Far^Side|laptophow could I see the text currently displayed on a virtual console, remoteley? What /dev device should I check?09:04
uniqnikkia: ugh. :|09:04
nikkiauniq, i've worked til 1-3am every day for the last 6 weeks as a result, 09:04
uniqdoesn't sound good.09:05
uniqi'm on standby while at work.. there is -nothing- to do.09:05
nikkiauniq, what really takes the cake, is that i'm expected to do this in time for the new deadline (friday, including testing)...09:05
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nikkiathe other guy working on the same hardware has been working on his project (slightly less complex) for the last year!09:06
uniqsounds promising.09:06
nikkiathe strange thing is, i wouldn't want to trade my job09:06
uniqi resigned last thursday. :)09:07
uniqor.. delivered my resignation. 09:07
uniqfriday is my last day :)09:08
nikkiaright, thats the audio edited09:08
nikkiaanyone want to place a wager on whether it'll sync to the video ? :P09:08
rexykikagainst or towards it?09:09
uniqit won't sync. murphys law :)09:09
rexykikthinkin same thing09:10
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nikkiawell, it didn't09:12
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Far^Side|laptopuniq: got some downgrading errors: wget http://home.no.net/havarhen/downgrade.error09:15
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Francesco88Italyi'm italian09:15
Francesco88Italyi don't speak english very well09:15
Far^Side|laptopuniq: I thought it worked ok, but it didn't09:16
Francesco88Italyi have the problem09:16
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Francesco88Italyto installation last version kubuntu09:16
Francesco88Italyerror to installation system base!!!09:16
Francesco88ItalyHelp me please!!09:16
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uniqfar^side|laptop: sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.10.27ubuntu1_i386.deb'09:17
apollo2011Where do I edit what gets loaded when Ubuntu is booted? I see several things that I could remove and save sometime booting up09:17
uniqfar^side|laptop: that should fix one of the problems. 09:17
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Francesco88Italyhelp me!!!09:18
uniqapollo2011: you can use 'update-rc.d -f what-to-remove remove' from the commandline. the names of the services are the filenames in /etc/init.d/09:19
apollo2011ok thx09:19
uniqfrancesco88italy: what is the problem? 09:19
Francesco88Italyhelp me please!!! I have the problem when install the kubuntu09:19
Francesco88Italyread up09:19
jbroomewhich problem?09:19
Francesco88Italyread up09:19
uniqfrancesco88italy: error installing base system doesn't tell me much.09:20
Francesco88Italyduring installation of kubuntu09:21
Francesco88Italyinstallation fail because don0t read the cdrom or base system ubuntu09:21
Francesco88Italyscuse me for english language i'm italian09:21
uniqfrancesco88italy: could the cd be damaged? 09:22
Far^Side|laptopuniq: hmm, didn't help, got another error. (It's at the same URL) (Sorry for the bad formating, it's cat'ed from /dev/vcs1)09:24
MezFrancesco88Italy, try #ubuntu-it09:25
MezI think it's #ubuntu-it09:25
Mezyeah, #ubuntu-it for Italian support09:26
dabugasmrmanic: i don't know if you're aware of kxdocker. the debs from its homepage work fine in kubuntu. it's very feature rich, a bitch to configure and i can't get it to do work the way i want it, so far. but maybe you likes.09:26
mrmanicdabugas: I tried it once a long time ago  Does it run fast?09:26
uniqfar^side|laptop: try sudo dpkg --force-all -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.10.27ubuntu1_i386.deb then09:27
Far^Side|laptopuniq: yes, that worked, thank you.09:28
dabugasmrmanic: its pretty fast but it seems to either want to resize my desktop when the bar appears (not fast & ugly) or reveal the background over the window when the bar appears (fast & ugly)09:29
dabugasmrmanic: on the site FAQ it has a screenshot that looks just like kooldock, but i can't seem to configure it to work like that.09:29
uniqfar^side|laptop: then 'mv /usr/bin/X11 /usr/bin/X11.bak'09:29
mrmanicdabugas: weird.  Maybe I'll give it a try.09:30
uniqfar^side|laptop: continue with 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and give me the new error :)09:30
nikkiai thought my game had stopped working there....09:32
nikkiaturned out i didn't have any credits left in the virtual machine :P09:32
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Far^Side|laptopuniq: I didn't have the /usr/bin/X11 file... I've uploaded the new error message file09:37
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uniqfar^side|laptop: check spelling on the command. dist-upgrade is the correct way.09:38
dabugasmrmanic: i got it to work like kooldock more or less but it also seems to flicker. it happens less often, but still. i resign - i'll stick to kooldock.09:38
uniqfar^side|laptop: nevermind.. it was corrected in the log :)09:38
mrmanicthat was basically my experience with it 6 months ago, IIRC09:39
mrmanicdabugas: --^09:39
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Far^Side|laptopuniq: :)09:39
uniqfar^side|laptop: apt-get --purge remove apache2-common (you can install it later)09:40
dabugasmrmanic: how do you add separators in kooldock?09:43
Far^Side|laptopuniq: hmm.. seems like apache2 had some dependencies, new error messages uploaded09:45
mrmanicdabugas: no idea.  I set mine up a long time ago, and haven't messed with it since.09:45
Far^Side|laptopuniq: doing a apt-get -f install just gives me the same error message as before I tried to remove apache209:46
uniqfar^side|laptop: you didn't remove apache. do that.09:47
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uniqyou can use 'dpkg -r apache2-mpm-prefork'09:48
Far^Side|laptopuniq: "dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success"09:50
Far^Side|laptopuniq: and I still get the same problems when trying to remove apache2-common09:50
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uniqmv /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-mpm-prefork.prerm /tmp;echo 'exit 0' > /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-mpm-prefork.prerm;dpkg -r apache2-mpm-prefork09:52
uniqsame error? 09:52
Far^Side|laptopuniq: yes, this error: "dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success"09:55
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uniqfar^side|laptop: can you post the whole error to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com ? 09:55
Far^Side|laptophmm... not running X right now, and I don't have gpm working09:56
uniqok. put it the usual place then.09:56
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Far^Side|laptopuniq: ok, done09:57
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Far^Side|laptopuniq: brb09:58
uniqfar^side|laptop: the dpkg -r apache2-mpm-prefork error?09:58
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Far^Side|laptopuniq: it's the same10:04
uniqfar^side|laptop: well can you post it? 10:04
Far^Side|laptopdidn~t yo get it?10:04
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uniqi want the error from  dpkg -r apache2-mpm-prefork10:05
uniqnot the apt-get -f install error.10:05
Far^Side|laptopuniq: done10:05
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Far^Side|laptopuniq: I placed the file in the wrong directory :P10:06
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red22is there a good kde gui for changing grub (bootloader) settings?10:12
Far^Side|laptopkwrite :)10:13
red22no no, i tried that one already :P10:15
red22how can i edit that file so that winxp is my default os to load?  my sister almost shot me when she found out i installed linux here10:15
gdhjust move the entry in boot.lst to the top of the relevant section10:17
uniqfar^side|laptop: how does /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg look like? (post it on the web please)10:17
gdhred22: sorry, /boot/grub/menu.lst10:18
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red22i changed "default saved" and then added "savedefault" to the windows section like the config file said... no luck10:18
red22from "default 0"10:19
gdhAh, didn't know you could even do that - I'd just move the Windows one to the top :)10:19
Far^Side|laptopuniq: done, just replace downgrade.error with dpkg.cfg10:19
gdhred22: Besides, don't take any shit from your sister :)10:20
red22gdh, you can "SUPPOSEDLY" do that, bc i did it and it's like i didn't do anything.. no change at all10:20
Far^Side|laptopred22: or, introduce your sister to the wonderfull world of Linux :)10:20
uniqfar^side|laptop: comment out the log entry.10:20
munkiwhere is the kde Window Decorations stored ?10:21
red22farside, i will, but as you can imagine, that is gonna take a little time10:21
munkigot a little problem installing Window Decorations .10:22
red22slocate for one of the deocoration names10:22
uniqfar^side|laptop: then try apt-get -f install again.10:22
red22once you make a change to /boot/grub/menu.lst, do you need to exec something so that the change is applied?  i make changes and nothing is different at boot ..?10:24
uniqno, grub reads the file directly.10:24
uniq?? grub-howto10:24
kinfoNo match for "grub-howto"10:24
uniq!! grub10:24
kinfoNo match for "*grub*"10:24
Far^Side|laptopuniq: yes, that worked! (Just got an error at the end that the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file had been customized and it wasn't updated)10:24
red22the mbr stuff only tells the machine to jump to /boot and read the grub stuff?10:24
uniqfar^side|laptop: i rock.10:25
uniqred22: basically.10:25
Far^Side|laptopuniq: :) Should I try another apt-get dist-upgrade now?10:25
niallCan someone help me make tvtime or kaffeine detect my DVB card?10:25
uniqfar^side|laptop: yes.10:25
gdhwhat card?10:25
niallTwinhan DVB-T10:26
uniqfar^side|laptop: you can safely delete dpkg.cfg10:26
gdhHeh, always the cheap ones :)10:26
niallIt shows up fine in dmesg output10:26
uniqfar^side|laptop: and you should copy back /tmp/apache2-mpm-prefork.prerm to /var/lib/dpkg/info/10:26
niallAnd the Gnome hardware listing, but the player software doesn't find it.10:26
gdhniall: how does it show? any "DVB: registering frontend 0"10:27
red22there is a program called grubconf, but it's geared towards gnome.  i guess i'll install the gnome libraries so i can compile that.10:27
niallNo, frontend isn't mentioned.10:28
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gdhniall: Likely the driver isn't supporting your board yet - I've seen loads of traffic on the linux-dvb list about the twinhans10:28
Far^Side|laptopuniq: oops... the /tmp/apache2-mpm-prefork.prerm file got overwritten :P Forgot to make a backup of it before i did the mv command again. (I guess I should've only done the "dpkg -r apache2-mpm-prefork" part...)10:29
gdhAm not really sure what to suggest because I know nothing about those boards.10:29
niallRight. It was specifically mentioned on some list of supported boards tho...10:29
uniqfar^side|laptop: apt-get install --reinstall apache2-mpm-prefork10:29
gdhniall: I'd subscribe / read the archives of the linux-dvb list - I have no more advice to offer..10:30
gdhniall: Might be a firmware thing, might be a 'need a newer driver than Kubuntu has' thing...10:30
niallgdh: OK. Thanks anyway. 10:30
gdhniall:I daresay you'll be able to get it working, but I personally don't know how. I've only used the Siemens / Fujisti boards.10:30
gdhFujitsu :)10:31
Far^Side|laptopuniq: btw, got some more errors. "setting locale failed", new error message uploaded10:31
Far^Side|laptop(I haven't reinstalled apache2-mpm-prefork yet)10:33
uniqfar^side|laptop: dpkg-reconfigure locales10:34
Far^Side|laptopuniq: "locales is broken or not fully installed", new error message uploaded...10:35
uniqapt-get install localaes10:36
uniqapt-get install locales10:36
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jh0nif i have framebuffer support, there should be /dev/fb0, correct?10:39
Far^Side|laptopuniq: no error messages, should I do a apt-get dist-upgrade?10:39
uniqfar^side|laptop: yes.10:41
gdhjh0n: yes, and 'fbset -i' should return interesting things10:41
jh0nfbset not found.  what do i need to do to enable fb support with kubuntu?10:42
gdhjh0n: module 'fb' should be loaded and /proc/devices shoudl show '29 fb'10:42
gdhjh0n: sudo apt-get install fbset10:43
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jh0n@gdh - should work regardless of videocard?10:43
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jh0nok.  run fbset, and get the message "open dev/fb0 - no such file or directory"10:45
jh0nhow do i create fb0?10:45
uniqmodprobe fb10:45
uniqi guess.10:45
gdhjh0n: nono fb is just a core support module10:45
gdhyou will need to load the appropriate 'frontend' module for your gfx card10:45
uniqah.. sure.10:46
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gdhjh0n:  what type of card is int?10:46
jh0nhm.  so it'll be specific to the radeon?10:46
jh0ni'm radeon750010:46
jh0njust trying to get tvout working, and it seems like fbxine is my best bet.10:46
gdhmodprobe radeonfb10:46
Far^Side|laptopuniq: got a warning question about removing the current running kernel, should I answer yes or no? (Full message uploaded to the same place, pastebin.com having mysql errors)10:49
uniqfar^side|laptop: keep the current kernel. it's not dangerous.10:49
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uniqdon't keep the breezy kernel.10:50
uniqyou should reboot after downgrading the kernel.. that's all.10:50
gdhFar^Side|laptop:  Don't worry about uniq, it' s just his multiple personalities fighting :)10:51
Far^Side|laptopgdh: lol10:51
uniqheh :)10:51
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Far^Side|laptopuniq: new error message at kubuntu.pastebin.com10:55
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jh0n2ok.  modprobe radeonfb definitely didn't work....10:55
Far^Side|laptopuniq: kubuntu.pastebin.com/3044510:56
jh0n2monitor lost signal.10:56
Far^Side|laptopuniq: ehh... 304425 10:56
uniqfar^side|laptop: mv /usr/include/X11 /usr/include/X11.bak;apt-get -u dist-upgrade10:56
jh0n2do i need to be using 'radeon' in xorg.conf to modprobe radeonfb?  i'm using 'ati' in xorg.conf....10:57
Far^Side|laptopuniq: new error message at 30442610:59
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uniqfar^side|laptop: dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/xorg-common_6.8.2-10_all.deb11:00
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tomiWhea, good evenin', I just installed the system, asked friend for help and noticed I didn't have root password set, or at least I don't remember it.. Is there any default setting for it? 11:03
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tomiI remember only setting this other account during the installation.11:03
HavoKtomi: yep, that's normal11:03
Far^Side|laptopuniq: ok, it worked.11:03
HavoKyou should use sudo 11:03
tomiExcuse me, sudo as the password or is that a command or something similar?11:04
HavoKsudo -i ==> su - 11:04
HavoKsudo apt-get => executes apt-get as root11:04
HavoKtomi: it's a program 11:04
Slackmanhi, is there somewhere i can get a breezy iso from? i am aware that breezy may be broken at times11:04
HavoKit ask you for your user's password11:04
Far^Side|laptopuniq: another apt-get dist-upgrade?11:04
tomiWhoa, I'm lagging behind in this conversation already, sorry for it, only linux I've tested earlier was SuSE live eval about two years ago.11:05
HavoKtomi: hmm.. try "sudo passwd root"11:05
Far^Side|laptopSlackman: don't think so, you'll have to upgrade from hoary hedghehog11:05
tomiOkay, I will try, brb11:05
HavoKand put your pass in there11:05
SlackmanFar^Side|laptop, k. thanks.11:05
gdhjh0n2: Hang on.. you're in X at the moment?11:05
HavoKbut I suggest you to give sudo a try11:06
gdhjh0n2: You can't run framebuffer-radeonfb and Xorg with an ati driver at the same time! :)11:06
gdhsince both will talk to the radeon directly.11:06
tomiHavoK, It seemed to work, thank you a lot :)11:06
HavoKtomi: no problem =) I suggest you to give a try to sudo... 11:07
jh0n2gdh - thx.  if i switch to a new console, would that work?  or do i need to kill x before modprobe radeonfb?11:07
HavoKthere are a lot of FAQs on the web11:07
Far^Side|laptopuniq: it worked, did a apt-get dist-upgrade twice. Last one said: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded11:07
tomiI'm just starting this :)11:08
gdhjh0n2: no idea, try both :)11:08
gdhjh0n2: I've not messed with fb much11:08
uniqfar^side|laptop: great. welcome to hoary and the sane world.11:08
HavoKtomi: =)11:08
Far^Side|laptopuniq: so I guess I'm back on hoary hedghehog?11:08
jh0n2will try.  thx.  :)11:08
Far^Side|laptopuniq: thank you! doing a reboot11:08
uniqfar^side|laptop: do update-grub first.11:08
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tomiAnother little question - I want to have a bigger resolution (ATI Radeon 9600XT) and heard that catalysts don't love Linux. Should I go to ati.com and download some linux drivers found there?11:09
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KaiLresolution shouldn't have ANYTHING to do with the driver11:10
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Far^Side|laptopuniq: fsck, I got a error: fsck.ext3: no such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sda611:11
tomiWhy doesn't it support 1280x1024 or what was it then? Only getting 1024x780 or similar now.11:11
tomiWhat should I do?11:11
Far^Side|laptopuniq: I forgot to do a update-grub before I rebooted11:11
KaiLtomi: maybe because your screen doesn't support more? :)11:12
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uniqfar^side|laptop: but you can get into the system? 11:12
Far^Side|laptopno :P11:12
tomiKaiL, Err, it supports 1280x1024 in Windows11:13
Far^Side|laptopuniq: it says /dev/console: No such file or directory11:13
mrmanictomi: are you on a laptop?11:13
Far^Side|laptopGive root password for maintenance11:13
uniqfar^side|laptop: ok. choose antoher kernel in grub when booting.11:13
tomiThe monitor is BenQ's 17" TFT11:13
uniqfar^side|laptop: 2.6.10-5 if it's there.11:13
tomiShould definitely support the higher one.11:13
KaiLtomi: and you didn't get asked?11:13
tomiUmm, in what point? During the installation?11:14
Far^Side|laptopuniq: didn't work :P11:14
mrmanictomi: the fglrx drivers are available in universe, I think.11:14
mrmanictomi: fglrx is the ati binary driver.11:14
tomiAh, I remember something there.. But I guess I tried to check the box where that resolution was, and pressed enter, and the installation continued already.. Guess I shouldn't have pressed enter11:15
KaiLmrmanic: they are in "restriced" and so on the CD, but this doesn'e help11:15
KaiLtomi: <space> to select it ;)11:15
tomiAww. That info came in too late, I guess.11:16
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uniqfar^side|laptop: ok, try the recovery options then.11:16
tomiCan I change it anymore? :(11:16
KaiLtomi: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf11:16
Far^Side|laptopuniq: I tried that also, same problem :P11:16
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tomiKaiL, I'll try that one11:16
KaiLscroll down to the list or resolutions and add the missing one at the beginning of that line(s)11:17
uniqfar^side|laptop: ok, boot from cd, mount root filesystem, chroot to it. and run update-grub. when it comes to grub i'm not much help. i don't use it myself.11:17
KaiLnormally 24bit should be the only interesting one, on some bad hardware 16bit11:17
jh0nok, let's try this....does kubuntu install a framebuffer by default?11:18
Far^Side|laptopuniq: ok, booting knoppix11:18
KaiLjh0n: yes and no - it at least tries to start one while installing11:18
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KaiLbut except breaking on some bad laptops, I didn't see and effect ;)11:19
jh0nand now knowing that modprobe radeonfb isn't my answer...how do i force something like vesafb or vidixfb?11:19
tomiKaiL, Okay, I added the "1280x1024" res in the beginning of those 4 lines there. What should I do to save it?11:21
KaiLand strg+x for quit11:21
tomiExcuse me, strg?11:22
KaiLctrl afaik in english ;)11:23
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tomiHmm, did that ctrl+o, hit enter, pressed ctrl+x. What should I do now for the changes to appear? I right click the desktop and cannot select a higher resolution yet. Did I miss something or did I do something wrong again?11:25
tomiI'm really really new with all this.11:25
KaiLrestart X11:26
KaiLit'll switch automatically then11:26
tomiJust by writing "restart X" or?11:27
KaiLpress ctrl+alt+backspace11:27
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tomiErr, must've done something wrong then.11:29
KaiLstill 1024?11:30
KaiLcrappy device :(11:31
tomiCould you paste the commands? I'll retry.11:31
KaiLI guess, I know, why...11:32
KaiLcould you add /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://pastebin.ca/ =11:32
kaycan it really be that apt-cache search podcast has nothing?!11:32
KaiLwhat's podcast?11:33
tomiErr, could I add what to where? And what do those files contain, graphic settings?11:33
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KaiLthe first are the settings, the second the logfile about the X-Server startup11:34
tomiAnd how do I add those?11:35
KaiLdo you see the "upload a file" above the big textbox? :)11:35
Slackmanhi, i've got a problem with apt, it wont let me install a package because i have unmet deps, but the package i want to install has nothing to do with libkiten111:35
troyokay folks, I'm trying kubuntu for the first time, wish me luck :)11:36
unomebest of luck11:36
unometroy: you'll enjoy the best linux desktop experience evah11:36
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jh0ntrying to install new video drivers (vidix).  got the .tar file...does it matter where i extract this before installing?11:40
jh0nnever installed w/o apt-get before.11:41
Skaag[zzz] how do I take a screenshot of my desktop11:41
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uniqskaag: use ksnapshot.11:41
Skaagok thanks :-)11:41
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Far^Side|laptopuniq: I get this error message when trying to boot: /proc/ide/ttyy7/media: no such file or directory11:46
Far^Side|laptopI have tried to do a update-grub and installed a new kernel while in chroot11:46
uniqfar^side|laptop: ok. go back into knoppix and chroot to the root filesystem.11:47
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tomiThe connection died and I had no clue what to do, reboot does wonders though.11:47
tomiKaiL still here?11:48
Far^Side|laptopuniq: ok. (btw, I replaced knoppix with kubuntu-live)11:48
uniqfar^side|laptop: remove the /etc/apt/preferences file. change /etc/apt/sources.list back to breezy, apt-get install the kernel you had in breezy.11:49
tomiHow do you boot the connection? My mate didn't have a clue with his commands.11:49
Skaagstrange, my KMail keeps saying KWallet is not available11:51
Skaagbut it is there in the task bar, a wallet is open11:51
uniqfar^side|laptop: if you don't remember which one you had, apt-cache search linux-image, apt-get install the latest. when it's installed change back to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list and reboot.11:52
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tomiHell, got already an headache with this, I guess this isn't for me then.11:57
tomiThanks for answering me.11:57
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Far^Side|laptopuniq: I did that, but got the same fscking error message :P11:59
uniqfar^side|laptop: ok, and what was the error message? 11:59
uniqnevermind. 12:00
uniqproc thing. 12:00
Far^Side|laptopuniq: ok?12:01

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