[12:02] <apokryphos> dan_: if they're not in the repositories, then you'd have to individually get each one. Dependency hell; debian-systems (and most, now) generally avoid it, but still sometimes...
[12:02] <ztonzy> apokryphos, well..3 months after I got my ADSL they gave new customers 24mbit for same as I got my 10mbit...so I think they could be gentle but no, so why not another ISP ?
[12:02] <apokryphos> ztonzy: it should work perfectly with the mouse-wheel; it does here
[12:02] <ztonzy> apokryphos, besides...I dont own my modem, just borrow it
[12:02] <apokryphos> ztonzy: yeouch. Speeds there are amazing
[12:03] <ztonzy> apokryphos, yes...I could get same speed now too...just pay one time fee, same as per month
[12:03] <apokryphos> how much do you pay for it, roughly?
[12:03] <ztonzy> hmm
[12:03] <ztonzy> 42.90 EUR / Month
[12:04] <ztonzy> 10/1 mbps
[12:04] <dan_> apokryphos: can I not just get an older version of the package somewhere?
[12:04] <nmorse> Check debian.org, dan_
[12:04] <apokryphos> dan_: if it's around, sure. Probably worth looking around for
[12:05] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hmm installed...cant find the theme in look and themes :-\
[12:06] <apokryphos> ztonzy: very nice for the price. I'm paying around the same for my 4 meg (but it's by far the cheapest around for the price).
[12:06] <apokryphos> ztonzy: it should be under Apearrance and Themes > Styles
[12:06] <ztonzy> apokryphos, nice...we have kind of broadband war here (again) among the ISP's
[12:06] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hmm ok I check
[12:06] <apokryphos> heh
[12:07] <dan_> apokryphos: nmorse: thanks
[12:07] <ztonzy> apokryphos, it isnt there
[12:07] <ztonzy> :(
[12:07] <apokryphos> you did make and make install, and that went ok?
[12:08] <nmorse> dan_: not a problem
[12:08] <dan_> nmorse: where would I go to find oold packages
[12:08] <ztonzy> apokryphos, yes
[12:08] <nmorse> There should be a packages link on the side of the page on debian.org
[12:08] <nmorse> Searching stable is your best bet
[12:08] <apokryphos> packages.debian.org
[12:08] <apokryphos> doesn't seem to be there
[12:09] <dan_> darn
[12:09] <apokryphos> do you recall the version you were using previously, by any chance?
[12:10] <dan_> 0.3.7 I think
[12:10] <nmorse> The SourcForge page should have the older versions stored somewhere
[12:11] <dan_> no, it seems their first SF release was 0.3.9
[12:11] <nmorse> Okay
[12:12] <dan_> I am very close of just compiling it from source :-(
[12:12] <apokryphos> That won't help, as you'll still need the other new packages, I guess...
[12:13] <dan_> I know
[12:13] <apokryphos> I found the source of older packages, if you want them..
[12:14] <apokryphos> http://ftp.citkit.ru/pub/sourceforge/w/wl/wlassistant/
[12:14] <apokryphos> If it works it'll be worth it; compiling isn't that bad. Ask Gentoo ;)
[12:14] <dan_> oh, that looks good
[12:14] <dan_> I used to compile all of KDE myself
[12:15] <nmorse> You know, you can compile KDE faster than Mozilla Firefox?
[12:16] <apokryphos> no way
[12:16] <nmorse> Yeah, yeah you can
[12:16] <apokryphos> all of KDE?
[12:16] <nmorse> I ran Gentoo for months
[12:16] <nmorse> I compiled all of the KDE packages (and X.org for that matter) faster than I could get Firefox to compile
[12:17] <apokryphos> hah
[12:17] <nmorse> Firefox's source is the devil
[12:17] <nmorse> Riddell: is it just me, or is Kexi the only application in the KOffice source tarball that doesn't compile with dpkg-buildpackage?
[12:19] <Riddell> nmorse: that's deliberate
[12:19] <nmorse> Why is that deliberate?
[12:20] <Riddell> nmorse: you can get the breezy source packages from archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool, you'll need to remove the postgresql configure option in debian/rules
[12:20] <Riddell> nmorse: because the kexi that comes with koffice is out of date
[12:20] <nmorse> So the Koffice version was just ditched for debian based systems?
[12:21] <nmorse> Since it will always be behind?
[12:25] <nmorse> archive.ubuntu.org is using the development version of Apache?
[12:27] <Riddell> yes
[12:27] <nmorse> Which question was that a yes to?
[12:27] <Riddell> yes debian and kubuntu are packaging kexi separately from koffice
[12:30] <nmorse> Okay
[12:30] <nmorse> Does the non-KOffice version still work in the KOffice workspace shell?
[12:33] <nmorse> I would bet not, as it probably is the one they're making cross platform, and not dependent on KDE
[12:34] <nmorse> So why don't we just package 2 and name one kexi-koffice?
[12:35] <dan> okay, success!
[12:35] <dan> I fulfilled the dependencies and it worked
[12:40] <apokryphos> cool :)
[12:47] <dan> last question, I promise:
[12:47] <dan> what is the best place to get the latest beta foro OO 2.0?
[12:49] <_mark> Hello all.  Just installed kubuntu and LOVE it.   ON install it didn't give me choice to install lilo over grub.  I want to use lilo. How do I switch ?
[12:49] <_mark> or reinstall so to use lilo instead?
[12:49] <_mark> i did apt-get install lilo, then liloconfig and /sbin/lilo and rebooted, but grub still comes up
[12:52] <_mark> Is anyone here?
[12:52] <dan> yeah, but I do not know the answer ;-)
[12:53] <dan> but I am also interested in getting graphics bootup going
[12:53] <_mark> when i installed mandrake it gave me choice of lilo or grub didn't see that here 
[12:53] <dan> right, MDK is a lot nicer for the average Joe
[12:54] <dan> th ereason I am using Kubuntu on this computer is that it is by far the best distro to run on the Inspiron 6000
[12:54] <dan> (I am actually here on a friend's computer)
[12:54] <_mark> i wiped out my mandrake.   So far I really like ubuntu, speed is way higher than mandrake
[12:54] <dan> I am personally running MDK 10.2 on my VAIO
[12:55] <dan> but you really have to hunt for your setup programs
[12:55] <_mark> not really, there is a link to a different set of repositiores.  it has almost everything i use
[12:56] <dan> I was mainly referring to hardware and system setup
[12:56] <_mark> oic
[12:58] <nmorse> Yeah, (K)Ubuntu has great hardware support
[12:58] <nmorse> And I miss lilo as well
[12:58] <nmorse> But I haven't taken the time to try to reinstall lilo myself
[12:58] <_mark> Does anyone know how to install lilo voer grub? it didn't seem to work for me
[12:58] <nmorse> You may have to lilo /dev/hda
[12:58] <nmorse> Reinstalling the MBR with lilo is the way to go
[12:59] <nmorse> man lilo has all the info on that
[12:59] <_mark> yeah i tried that and it didn't take.. 
[12:59] <_mark> apt-get install lilo, liloconfig /sbin/lilo still boots grub
[12:59] <nmorse> And I wonder if there is a wiki on it on ubuntu.com?
[12:59] <_mark> i'm looking, i dont see it.  I think regular ubunto gives you choice but not kunbuntu
[01:00] <nmorse> Wait, did you try 'lilo /dev/hda mbr' (I think that's the command, been too long)
[01:00] <nmorse> Neither give choice
[01:00] <nmorse> I installed from Ubuntu
[01:00] <_mark> they should let you choose.
[01:00] <_mark> I'll try that command 
[01:01] <nmorse> I wish they would let me choose, though I bet one could get lilo using one of the alternate filesystems at install
[01:01] <FoamY_is_away> does anyone know of any internet courses for linux?
[01:02] <FoamY_is_away> that might help me to learn ubuntu/kubuntu better?
[01:02] <nmorse> Can't think of any for Kubuntu/Ubuntu
[01:02] <FoamY_is_away> :(
[01:03] <nmorse> There are several places like brainbench.com that offer meaningless certificates in general linux administration
[01:03] <nmorse> But that's not what you're looking for
[01:03] <FoamY_is_away> i really want to learn the wright way
[01:03] <FoamY_is_away> so that i can do more things on my own
[01:04] <FoamY_is_away> and help my freinds who appear to be interested in the os
[01:04] <nmorse> Hmm, what do you want to learn?
[01:05] <nmorse> linux.org has some tutorials for using the command line (called Linux 101)
[01:05] <FoamY_is_away> i need to be able to help them with tech support basicly
[01:05] <_mark> I'd just get a regular book on linux itself that is the best.  For most things it is all the same
[01:05] <nmorse> Get a Debian book if possible
[01:05] <FoamY_is_away> ok do they have like debian for dummies or somthin?
[01:05] <nmorse> Hmm, I don't know about the For Dummies series (they prefer Red Hat/FC)
[01:05] <FoamY_is_away> i like this specific distro
[01:06] <FoamY_is_away> it's the easyest to use i think
[01:06] <FoamY_is_away> i mean what could be easyer than apt-get ^^_^
[01:06] <nmorse> Yeah, Kubuntu is basically Debian Sid, but updated every 6 months instead
[01:06] <apokryphos> FoamY_is_away: there's a lot of stuff on the Net for basic introductions to Linux and the like; you'll want to check some tutorials/guides
[01:06] <nmorse> So any general Debian book will have the info you need probably
[01:06] <nmorse> I learned bash shell scripting from Debian 2.1 GNU/LINUX UNLEASHED
[01:06] <FoamY_is_away> ok because one of my freinds on the net has a really weard problem
[01:07] <FoamY_is_away> whats bash shell?
[01:07] <nmorse> It's the shell you use when you open Konsole
[01:07] <FoamY_is_away> oh ok
[01:07] <FoamY_is_away> i see
[01:07] <FoamY_is_away> no matter how he tryes to do it he can't install ubuntu on his box
[01:08] <nmorse> Hmm, there really does need to be a beginner's course in this stuff I suppose
[01:08] <nmorse> But where would it be put?
[01:08] <FoamY_is_away> and it's driving me nuts we tryed the cd's they sent .iso cds
[01:08] <FoamY_is_away> and it won't use them at all
[01:08] <FoamY_is_away> www.ubuntu.com/learn?
[01:08] <FoamY_is_away> that would be a good place ^_^
[01:08] <nmorse> Ok, step 1: does his computer boot from other CD's?
[01:09] <FoamY_is_away> yes and it's configured in the bios
[01:09] <FoamY_is_away> to do so too
[01:09] <nmorse> Okay, step 1: check
[01:09] <FoamY_is_away> i amde him clean his cd rom as well with a lens cleaner
[01:09] <nmorse> Step 2 (which should be step 0): does his CD drive work?
[01:10] <FoamY_is_away> he can install win 98 and xp pro
[01:10] <FoamY_is_away> from cd without boot disk
[01:10] <nmorse> OK
[01:10] <nmorse> What error does he get on boot then?
[01:10] <FoamY_is_away> thats the weardest part nothing
[01:10] <FoamY_is_away> it just dosen't boot from the disk at all
[01:11] <FoamY_is_away> i've never herd of such a thing
[01:11] <nmorse> Ok, when you put the CD in in Windows, what are the contents?
[01:11] <FoamY_is_away> it has just the autorun.inf and various config and .cab files
[01:12] <nmorse> OK
[01:12] <FoamY_is_away> yea it's got me stumped
[01:12] <nmorse> So you're sure it was burned properly?
[01:13] <FoamY_is_away> he orderd the disks from the shipping shop
[01:13] <FoamY_is_away> they had to have burnt 10 disks wrong
[01:13] <nmorse> Okay, so that doesn't leave a whole lot of options
[01:13] <nmorse> Hmm
[01:13] <FoamY_is_away> yea it's weard
[01:14] <FoamY_is_away> every single person i handed my 10 out to installed it without hassel
[01:14] <FoamY_is_away> this is the first time i ever herd of a set of disks not working
[01:14] <FoamY_is_away> not even the live cd
[01:14] <nmorse> But his won't even boot the disk?
[01:14] <FoamY_is_away> nope
[01:15] <nmorse> Not any of the disks of any variety?
[01:15] <FoamY_is_away> he tryed redhat too and it woulden't boot it
[01:15] <FoamY_is_away> his pops got it for him
[01:15] <nmorse> Wait, so his CDROM drive only boots Windows Install CD's?
[01:15] <nmorse> That's messed up
[01:15] <FoamY_is_away> thats what it almost seems like
[01:16] <FoamY_is_away> i herd a rumor but his box is a little to old
[01:16] <nmorse> Sounds like maybe his BIOS is busted and Windows has a fix for it Debian doesn't
[01:16] <nmorse> I've heard of such things as broken BIOS's before
[01:16] <FoamY_is_away> the rumor is certain computer manufactures are making motherboards
[01:17] <FoamY_is_away> that are built for windows only due to an exstra chip on them
[01:17] <nmorse> Look, Palladium (a.k.a. the rumor) is not in production yet
[01:17] <FoamY_is_away> i can't conferm if it's true
[01:17] <nmorse> I know, I keep tabs on it (mostly due to the fact that it seems stupid)
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i know
[01:17] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it's the weardest thing is it possibly trye?
[01:17] <nmorse> It hasn't happened yet AFAIK
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> true
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats what i thought
[01:18] <nmorse> Anyway, has he tried swapping in another CDROM drive?
[01:18] <nmorse> His CDROM drive may have a broken instruction set or somesuch too
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> he would but he dosen't have one
[01:18] <nmorse> Then we have a minor problem
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have run acrost computers that had a burnt cd rom
[01:18] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> he has network boot though
[01:19] <nmorse> Bah, make him an install floppy
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> it'd be nice if i could figure out how to do it acrost the net
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm thats not a bad idea do they work well?
[01:19] <nmorse> As well as floppies ever do
[01:19] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> ok will it give him ubuntu?
[01:20] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> or will it be a diffrent type of install?
[01:20] <nmorse> Hmm, it should work with either really, but I don't even know where to get said install floppy
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> time for google
[01:21] <nmorse> I know Debian Sarge has them, but I have no idea on Kubuntu (then again, my Woody rescue CD saved the day on more distros than I can count)
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i want to crete a rescue disk
[01:21] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i hear there handy
[01:22] <nmorse> Hmm, gfloppy should work for that
[01:22] <nmorse> If you want a rescue floppy
[01:22] <nmorse> But I prefer rescue CD's
[01:23] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i have a burner in my box and it likes linux alot ^_^
[01:24] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm lots of stuff for making a debian install floppy but nothing for ubuntu
[01:26] <nmorse> I love kernel 2.6 since there's no more need for ide-scsi for CD-RW drives
[01:26] <nmorse> Linux was never ready for the desktop until 2.6
[01:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i think it's just about ready now
[01:27] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i orderd a 100 cd's and am hoping to drop them off at local business
[01:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> some of them are gona charge me for shelf space though
[01:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so in some places i'll have to put a price tags on the disk
[01:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> >.<
[01:28] <nmorse> To hand out a free product?
[01:28] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea go figure
[01:28] <nmorse> Crap, just bring a little stand like the free newspapers and Auto Traders go in
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hmm never thought of that i have a welder to in the basement
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i could just make it out of thick coat hangers or something i suppose
[01:29] <nmorse> Just make a little CD stand and see if they'll let you put that on a counter somewhere
[01:29] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the computer shops are gonna let me have shelf space for free
[01:30] <nmorse> Excellent
[01:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea i figure customers go in there se the nice cd's and ask how much they are
[01:30] <nmorse> You should tell them to find somewhere in the area who'll work on contract doing tech support for it
[01:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> then they tell them there for free
[01:30] <nmorse> s/somewhere/someone/
[01:30] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea thats why i wanna learn it
[01:30] <nmorse> What CD's are you putting there?
[01:31] <nmorse> Live I hope?
[01:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the new hoary 5.04 cd's that i orderd
[01:31] <nmorse> Perhaps Live/Install?
[01:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yea they come with install and live 
[01:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> and there really very nice
[01:31] <nmorse> Excellent
[01:31] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> the artwork is superb and the case isn't flimsy like i thought it would be
[01:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> even the cd's don't have the appearance of being cheap
[01:32] <nmorse> Hmm, I bet that art is distributed for free too
[01:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> they look like good quality
[01:32] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> yup
[01:32] <nmorse> If I had one of those new DVD burners that burns the disk label on I'd make sets of those Live/Install DVD's
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> oh the um whats it called 
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> hp makes em
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> shit what is it
[01:33] <nmorse> Light-something
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> light scribe
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> there we go ^_^
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that joged the old 72pin ram
[01:33] <nmorse> LaCIE makes those too, even for the Mac
[01:33] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> wow nice
[01:33] <nmorse> They're cheaper and external too
[01:34] <nmorse> Saw one of the HP ones at Wal-Mart the other day too
[01:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> nice
[01:34] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> thats one of the places i'm gonna drop some cd's
[01:34] <nmorse> Wal-Mart Electronics counter?
[01:35] <nmorse> Too bad you don't have high-quality brochures about Kubuntu to give out as well
[01:35] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i can put them in the electronics isle
[01:35] <nmorse> If you had brochures too, you could really use a stand, with holders for both
[01:35] <nmorse> And the big Kubuntu/Ubuntu logo welded into the front
[01:36] <nmorse> Hmm, I wonder
[01:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> that would be awsome
[01:36] <nmorse> Someone could probably contract out to Canonical to do that and get paid for it
[01:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> i would do it in a heart beat
[01:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> but i have exstra materials
[01:36] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> so i'd do it for nothin
[01:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> as long as they made mention of my name
[01:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> someware
[01:37] <ChurcH_of_FoamY> brb
[01:38] <str> Hi every1
[01:39] <nmorse> hello
[01:39] <str> any1 has already been able to intsall customizegoogle in firefox?
[01:39] <nmorse> There's a problem with installing the extensions
[01:39] <nmorse> In Firefox, type about:config and hit enter
[01:40] <nmorse> Then in the filter box, type vendor
[01:40] <nmorse> There should be a string that says general.useragent.vendorSub
[01:40] <nmorse> Along that line there is an area that says 1.0.2
[01:40] <nmorse> Change that to 1.0.4
[01:40] <str> nmorse: 1.0.4  done that..
[01:40] <nmorse> Okay
[01:41] <nmorse> And customizegoogle still won't install
[01:41] <str> but stilll cannot install  the customizegoogle .....  all other are installed and work (addblok, greasymonkey, etc..)
[01:41] <nmorse> Hmm
[01:43] <str> nmorse: what about you? does your firefox try to install it?
[01:43] <str> mine keeps waiting -I-don't-know-what- ....
[01:44] <nmorse> It worked just fine for me, but I upgraded my Mozilla Firefox from backports
[01:45] <nmorse> The bugfixes that came out in 1.0.4 that weren't security related haven't been backported to Ubuntu's default yet
[01:45] <str> nmorse: where did you install it from?
[01:45] <nmorse> The backports repository
[01:47] <StR> nmorse: no.. i mean the extension
[01:48] <nmorse> Got to go: Episode III starts in 15 minutes
[01:55] <martin> has anyone had success installing kdissert on kubuntu hoary?
[02:11] <__P__3> hi
[02:11] <__P__3> how can i compile nvidia drivers with gcc 4 ?
[02:11] <__P__3> it told me that kernel is compiled on 3.4 
[02:13] <moshe> hellio
[02:13] <moshe> hello
[02:13] <moshe> how long does a typical desktop installation of Kubuntu take?
[02:14] <snowseal> __P__3,  i did install 3.4 gcc or both even.
[02:14] <snowseal> moshe,  30 mins?
[02:14] <moshe> oh
[02:14] <__P__3> yes maybe but i can't pass the righ gcc
[02:14] <moshe> that's not a big deal
[02:15] <__P__3> i have gcc 3.4 on my system 
[02:15] <__P__3> but nvidia installer see 4.0
[02:15] <moshe> is it possible to enable the root account?  I'm not sure I understand this whole no root account business.
[02:16] <MartinHohenberg> moshe: it *is* possible (have done it, for convinience), but do you really want that?
[02:16] <moshe> why wouldn't I?
[02:16] <moshe> I don't understand the advantage of not having a root account.
[02:16] <snowseal> whats speciall abou uuntu's root account?
[02:17] <moshe> I'm not criticizing, either.  I really do want to understand the logic behind it.
[02:17] <moshe> I'm planning on installing this tonight over Slackware.
[02:17] <MartinHohenberg> well, ubuntu is targeted at the mom&pop boxes. those guys do better without an extra root account they might tend to use as the standard one - because it is easier to install things (read: screw the system)
[02:17] <moshe> riiiiight
[02:17] <moshe> but what about us non-mom&pop types?
[02:18] <snowseal> just start a root terminal.
[02:18] <moshe> I've read only good things about ubuntu/kubuntu, and I'm interested in trying it, but I want to understand what I'm jumping into, first.
[02:18] <MartinHohenberg> well, i've fired up gnome, started a root shell, passwd root, and all was ok for me
[02:18] <moshe> what prevents someone from getting root access on my system?
[02:18] <MartinHohenberg> moshe, that is not the focus of ubuntus non-root policy
[02:19] <kalenedrael> i set a root pw
[02:19] <moshe> the focus is simplicity?
[02:19] <kalenedrael> they have to have one set by default... the login shell is not /sbin/nologin
[02:20] <moshe> I don't understand what that means
[02:20] <moshe> I'm not completely wet behind the ears, but I'm not an expert, either.
[02:23] <MartinHohenberg> moshe, the focus is making users think before using their root power. this is easyer if they have to enter their password any other time than entering it once at login time
[02:24] <kalenedrael> yes
[02:24] <moshe> I see
[02:24] <kalenedrael> i used to use root as my default login...
[02:24] <MartinHohenberg> if you knew how many windows-newbies I've seen who used root as the standard account, you'd know what I mean.
[02:24] <kalenedrael> then figured that it was bad...
[02:24] <moshe> MartinHohenberg, I know exactly what you mean
[02:24] <kalenedrael> that was in the first month or so of using linux
[02:24] <MartinHohenberg> kalenedrael: I do not hope you learned the hard way like my customers did.
[02:24] <kalenedrael> er, first couple weeks
[02:25] <kalenedrael> well, there was relatively little that i could lose
[02:25] <kalenedrael> it's not like i had gigs and gigs of critical data
[02:25] <kalenedrael> i also used IRC as root... yeah, those were the noob times
[02:26] <moshe> thanks
[02:26] <kalenedrael> that ended up getting me a virus of some sort
[02:26] <kalenedrael> reinstalled and vowed never to do that again :P
[02:27] <MartinHohenberg> the problem is, that now, as linux starts to embrace the desktop user, it has to deal with the desktop users unwillingness to do things right. Better take away some direct power before they kill their last months work result and blame the machine for their stupidity ;)
[02:27] <kalenedrael> that makes sense
[02:27] <MartinHohenberg> Windows fails to do this, and we all know and *love* the results, don't we?
[02:27] <kalenedrael> i was confused by the lack of root access in kubuntu when i installed it
[02:28] <kalenedrael> yeah, we do
[02:28] <cartel_> i just adopt a zero tolerance policy for stupid people
[02:28] <MartinHohenberg> however: you *can* get root access in (k)ubuntu ... but I highly recommend you only do this if you know exactly what you are doing.
[02:29] <cartel_> sudo su -
[02:29] <kalenedrael> yes, i did
[02:29] <cartel_> sudo passwd
[02:29] <kalenedrael> i did "sudo passwd"
[02:29] <kalenedrael> to get root access
[02:29] <cartel_> if you're anything more than a bottom feeding cluebie you should be allowed root
[02:29] <MartinHohenberg> cartel_: You can do this as long as your paycheck is not dependant on your policy against your newbies.
[02:29] <cartel_> MartinHohenberg: my paycheck comes from fixing newbies mistakes
[02:30] <kalenedrael> it's nice to have an accessible root account, but i hardly use it
[02:30] <kalenedrael> i do things like compile the kernel as root
[02:30] <kalenedrael> or drivers
[02:30] <cartel_> thats what fakeroot is for
[02:30] <kalenedrael> meh
[02:30] <kalenedrael> you can theoretically do everything with sudo
[02:30] <MartinHohenberg> i do not see how you need root to *compile* the kernel
[02:30] <kalenedrael> i don't
[02:30] <kalenedrael> i prefer to do it that way
[02:32] <MartinHohenberg> I've asked that question about an hour ago or something, but the channel was pretty dead back then. Has anyone managed to compile kdissert for kubuntu hoary?
[02:32] <kalenedrael> no
[02:32] <Gfault> hi all
[02:33] <MartinHohenberg> hi Gfaulr
[02:34] <Gfault> i'm from Brazil
[02:35] <Gfault> no speak english corretly
[03:43] <snowseal> what should i do to mount my ntfs drives rw, kinda safely..?
[03:45] <xe> hi !Does anybody know any portuguese mirror fot kubuntu with the kde 3.4.1?
[03:47] <xe> hi !Does anybody know any portuguese mirror fot kubuntu with the kde 3.4.1?
[03:53] <xe> hi !Does anybody know any portuguese mirror fot kubuntu with the kde 3.4.1?
[04:07] <_douglas> How do I manually change the x resolution while it's running, kde won't let me go past 640x480 on this old crappy monitor yet I know it goes up to 1024x768?
[04:23] <penguinboy> hello guys and gals
[04:39] <penguinboy> hey guys
[04:40] <kalenedrael> a moment ago you said "hello guys and gals"
[04:40] <penguinboy> i am fickle
[04:40] <penguinboy> lol
[04:41] <penguinboy> how r u kalendrael?
[04:41] <kalenedrael> not bad
[04:41] <penguinboy> good
[04:41] <penguinboy> how many years have you used Linux?
[04:46] <kalenedrael> a few
[04:46] <kalenedrael> i recall the transition...
[04:47] <kalenedrael> win98 fuxes itself rapidly and unexpectedly after about a year of functioning properly
[04:47] <kalenedrael> to the point where it starts crashing very often (often enough to be utterly unusable)
[04:47] <kalenedrael> then the mouse broke
[04:47] <kalenedrael> and lots of programs broke, for no good reason
[04:48] <kalenedrael> i had just downloaded red hat 8
[04:48] <kalenedrael> and burned it onto CDs
[04:48] <kalenedrael> i quickly burned all my documents and stuff onto CD (without the help of a mouse, no less)
[04:49] <kalenedrael> then installed linux
[04:49] <kalenedrael> linux was so... new at that time
[04:50] <penguinboy> yes
[04:50] <kalenedrael> to me, at least
[04:50] <kalenedrael> (the OS itself was not very new)
[04:51] <kalenedrael> i think the fact that windows had been pissing me off and that i did not have windows install disks anywway prevented me from going back
[04:51] <kalenedrael> glad i stuck with linux now...
[04:51] <penguinboy> are you 100% Linux
[04:52] <kalenedrael> i have dual boot on this and my dad's computer has windows
[04:52] <kalenedrael> ok, of 5 serviceable computers i own, 3 are pure linux, 1 is windows, 1 is dual
[04:54] <penguinboy> my desk has 2 hdds...80 gig Windows and 80 gig Kubuntu....my lap is 100% Kubuntu
[04:55] <penguinboy> what other distros are you currently runnign?
[04:56] <kalenedrael> kubuntu on this one (the dual-boot laptop), FC3 on two of the three desktops, and mandrake 10.0 on the other one
[04:56] <penguinboy> Monchmeisteroney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[04:56] <monchy> hey penguin
[04:56] <kalenedrael> i hardly use the desktops... two of the three aren't even hooked up
[04:57] <penguinboy> i neer did like Mandrake....I used FC before Ubuntu
[04:57] <kalenedrael> i hated mandrake
[04:57] <monchy> oof mandrake
[04:57] <kalenedrael> if i ever dig that mandrake box out of the pile of shit it's in right now, i am wiping it and installing kubuntu
[04:57] <monchy> they are absorbing all sorts of distros now
[04:58] <penguinboy> Mandrake is like Playschool Linux
[04:58] <monchy> i don't understand why it's so high on distrowatch
[04:58] <penguinboy> nor i
[04:59] <kalenedrael> wonder what i should do with my two PPCs
[04:59] <kalenedrael> both old tower types
[04:59] <monchy> ebay
[05:00] <kalenedrael> yeah, i guess
[05:00] <kalenedrael> mandrake pissed me off
[05:00] <kalenedrael> it was slow and looked gay
[05:00] <penguinboy> LOL
[05:00] <monchy> try fedora
[05:00] <penguinboy> LOL
[05:00] <penguinboy> he has FC
[05:00] <penguinboy> 3
[05:01] <penguinboy> transgress has just deserted to GentooLand
[05:01] <monchy> core 4 is groovy, someone released something called yum extender, alot like synaptic
[05:01] <kalenedrael> i used fc3
[05:01] <kalenedrael> don't know about fc4
[05:01] <penguinboy> i used FC1 and 2
[05:01] <kalenedrael> if i feel up to it i will yum dist-upgrade (or whatever the command is)
[05:02] <kalenedrael> kubuntu is nice, though
[05:02] <penguinboy> there were a lot of updates to download this evening!
[05:02] <monchy> it's hard to settle though eh lol
[05:02] <kalenedrael> hmm, updates
[05:02] <kalenedrael> updates...
[05:02] <kalenedrael> tomorrow i have to get up at 5:45AM, wtf
[05:03] <kalenedrael> and it's 11PM
[05:03] <penguinboy> so sorry
[05:03] <kalenedrael> fuck
[05:03] <kalenedrael> oh well
[05:03] <monchy> work?
[05:03] <kalenedrael> no, trip
[05:04] <penguinboy> pleasure?
[05:04] <kalenedrael> umm, did you say there were a lot of updates?
[05:04] <kalenedrael> i don't seem to be getitng them
[05:04] <penguinboy> yes sir
[05:04] <kalenedrael> i did apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade
[05:04] <penguinboy> odd
[05:05] <penguinboy> does aptitude make a difference?
[05:07] <kalenedrael> never used it
[05:07] <kalenedrael> but it has a "Play minesweeper" option, so i declare it "cool"
[05:08] <penguinboy> type sudo aptitude update and then sudo aptitude upgrade and then sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[05:09] <kalenedrael> dist-upgrade o.O
[05:10] <penguinboy> si
[05:10] <penguinboy> O_o
[05:11] <kakalto> g'd avo
[05:12] <penguinboy> O_o
[05:12] <kalenedrael> doesn't work
[05:13] <kalenedrael> doesn't do anything
[05:13] <penguinboy> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[05:13] <kalenedrael> time to change my sources.list
[05:13] <kalenedrael> i tried that
[05:14] <penguinboy> that is off
[05:14] <penguinboy> odd
[05:14] <penguinboy> not off
[05:14] <penguinboy> works for me
[05:15] <kalenedrael> how often do you do update?
[05:15] <penguinboy> every day
[05:15] <penguinboy> 1st thing i do when i sit down at the computer
[05:15] <kalenedrael> yeah, so do i, if i can
[05:15] <kalenedrael> what apt repos do you use?
[05:15] <penguinboy> let me see
[05:18] <penguinboy> kalenedrael: did you get it?
[05:18] <kalenedrael> getting it
[05:18] <kalenedrael> it's slow
[05:19] <penguinboy> i pc'd it to you
[05:19] <kalenedrael> yeah
[05:19] <kalenedrael> it's slow, though
[05:19] <kalenedrael> it's all there
[05:19] <penguinboy> kewl
[05:19] <kalenedrael> took more than a minute...
[05:19] <penguinboy> wow
[05:21] <penguinboy> was mine much different from yours?
[05:22] <kalenedrael> yeah, i use "archive.ubuntu.com"
[05:22] <kalenedrael> you use the US repos
[05:24] <kalenedrael> penguinboy, well, still
[05:25] <penguinboy> I think I am going to go to bed and read some in "Running Linux"
[05:26] <penguinboy> night guys.......
[06:20] <Klementas> hi all
[06:21] <unome> ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net (66.90.101.204) down?
[06:22] <Klementas> what's a good auth server to get?
[06:23] <Klementas> I see that one isn't listed in the /etc/inetd.conf
[06:29] <Brazmetal> does anyone here use HPLIP?
[06:30] <Klementas> what is the command to get KDE after I place the line from the topic in my sources.list ?
[06:31] <Klementas> do I still use apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[06:37] <Brazmetal> does anyone here use HPLIP?
[06:38] <Klementas> I don't
[07:07] <Klementas> what is the command to get KDE after I place the line from the topic in my sources.list ?
[07:07] <Klementas> do I still use apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[07:16] <Klementas> ok, thanks
[08:59] <jep> kk
[09:08] <Klementas> who's bright idea was it to compile links without gpm support?
[09:18] <Klementas> ok, here goes the kubuntu-desktop install
[09:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> gpm?
[09:35] <Klementas> the mouse stuff
[09:36] <Klementas> I can't cut and paste because links was compiled without gpm
[09:37] <Klementas> I wish that kubuntu-desktop didn't include openoffice.org
[09:39] <m0ns00n> Grr
[09:39] <m0ns00n> It's impossible to install kubuntu on a SATA setup
[09:39] <m0ns00n> RocketRaid
[09:40] <Klementas> no drivers, m0ns00n ?
[09:40] <m0ns00n> doesn't even boot
[09:40] <m0ns00n> Grub doesn't find the disk
[09:40] <Klementas> ouch
[09:40] <m0ns00n> So we have to use a normal ata one now
[09:40] <Klementas> bummage
[09:40] <m0ns00n> lilo only says 999999999999999999999
[09:40] <Klementas> lol
[09:42] <Klementas> I'll soon have that sweet, sweet kopete
[11:20] <liz4rd> how do i install ALL of the screensavers?
[11:52] <CherryX^> Hey, i'm having problems installing a c compiler on kubuntu
[11:52] <CherryX^> any ideas how to do it?
[11:52] <CherryX^> a/c++
[11:52] <CherryX^> c/C++ *
[11:52] <CherryX^> Anyone?
[11:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> what problem?
[11:58] <JessicaX^> Well, it's just not doing it
[11:58] <JessicaX^> I installed via sudo apt-get install ~
[11:59] <JessicaX^> but still, it says
[11:59] <JessicaX^> that the Compiler fails sanity check
[12:02] <apokryphos> JessicaX^: try installing build-essential
[12:02] <apokryphos> JessicaX^: you shouldn't get that error when apt-getting anything; only when compiling...
[12:08] <JessicaX^> hmm
[12:08] <JessicaX^> apokryphos, sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:08] <JessicaX^> sudo apt-get install build-essential?
[12:08] <apokryphos> that's right
[12:08] <JessicaX^> Thx babe
[12:08] <JessicaX^> :)
[12:15] <mindspin> where do I set the  default charset in kubuntu?
[12:17] <JessicaX^> Erm
[12:18] <JessicaX^> the build-essential didnt have glibc
[12:18] <JessicaX^> Any help?
[12:19] <apokryphos> JessicaX^: erm, are you sure it all instaleld correctly? The package should pull in gcc
[12:20] <JessicaX^> well,
[12:20] <apokryphos> you definitely shouldn't be getting that error if you install build-essential... 
[12:20] <JessicaX^> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[12:20] <JessicaX^> that's what i used
[12:20] <apokryphos> and does it all go ok?
[12:20] <JessicaX^> Yeas
[12:20] <JessicaX^> Yes.
[12:20] <apokryphos> hm
[12:21] <JessicaX^> yes, but still
[12:21] <JessicaX^> says i have the latest version
[12:21] <JessicaX^> and yet, still compiling doesn't work
[12:21] <JessicaX^> Any ideas why?
[12:22] <JessicaX^> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 35 not upgraded.
[12:22] <apokryphos> JessicaX^: is it the same error when trying to compile?
[12:22] <JessicaX^> yeah
[12:22] <JessicaX^> sanity check fails
[12:23] <apokryphos> one sec
[12:23] <chx> Hi. I have a new hard disk. Plugged it into an USB rack. Later I will move it to primary master (/dev/hda). I'd like to make it bootable. All I get is "GRUB Hard disk error."
[12:24] <apokryphos> JessicaX^: do you want to do dpkg -l|grep g++ ... just to check that it's definitely there.
[12:24] <JessicaX^> okay
[12:25] <apokryphos> JessicaX^: what does it return?
[12:26] <JessicaX^> ii  g++            3.3.5-1        The GNU C++ compiler
[12:26] <JessicaX^> ii  g++-3.3        3.3.5-8ubuntu2 The GNU C++ compiler
[12:27] <JessicaX^> ...
[12:28] <apokryphos> sorry, no idea then why it's not working. What is it that you're trying to compile?
[12:32] <JessicaX^> Firefox
[12:32] <JessicaX^> :/
[12:32] <apokryphos> you're trying to *compile* firefox?
[12:33] <JessicaX^> checking for glib-2.0 >= 2.6.0    atk >= 1.0.1    pango >= 1.8.0... Package glib-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path.
[12:33] <apokryphos> apart from hearing yesterday that it takes hours to do so, just why would you want to compile?
[12:33] <JessicaX^> Yes
[12:33] <JessicaX^> Well, i wanted to make sure that the compiler works
[12:33] <JessicaX^> so i just thought to get firefox
[12:33] <JessicaX^> :/
[12:33] <apokryphos> I heard yesterday that ff takes longer to compile than all of KDE, so not the best choice...
[12:33] <JessicaX^> well, still
[12:33] <JessicaX^> glibc is apparently missing
[12:34] <apokryphos> do you have libglib2.0-dev ?
[12:34] <apokryphos> You'll probably need X includes for most compiling, too; do you have those installed?
[12:34] <JessicaX^> yeah
[12:34] <JessicaX^> i'll paste if it fails
[12:35] <apokryphos> ok
[12:38] <ztonzy> apokryphos, hi :)
[12:38] <apokryphos> hey
[12:47] <liz4rd> file:///home/liz4rd/liz4rdsite/files/hda1/sources.list
[12:47] <ztonzy> liz4rd, ?
[12:49] <liz4rd> oops i thought somone needed a better sources.list file
[01:01] <moshe> hello, folks
[01:01] <moshe> is there a guide for configuring the media:/ kioslave?
[01:02] <moshe> I installed kubuntu last night and was suprised that it wasn't automatically configured when the latest kubuntu livecd has it already configured.
[01:03] <ztonzy> liz4rd, but it was local file ;)
[01:07] <liz4rd> i uploaded it
[01:07] <liz4rd> oops
[01:07] <liz4rd> nvm
[01:08] <liz4rd> LMAO
[01:08] <liz4rd> i just realised
[02:14] <pinballkid> hi there, I would like to install kubuntu on colinux. I am a complete newbie to both kubuntu and colinux, so I'm trying to find a good guide on how to do this. Could anyone point me in the right direction?
[02:29] <Mez> kubuntu is a different operating system to colinux (in laymans terms) It's not possible to install one on the other.
[02:29] <Mez> you can install KDE on colinux
[02:29] <Mez> but you'd have to try for suypport in #kde
[02:35] <MartinHohenberg> configure: error: Your Installation isn't able to compile simple C++ programs.
[02:35] <MartinHohenberg> Check config.log for details - if you're using a Linux distribution you might miss
[02:35] <MartinHohenberg> a package named similiar to libstd++-dev.
[02:36] <MartinHohenberg> well, libstdc++6-dev is installed.
[02:36] <pinballkid> Mez: But I'm sure I've seen people saying that its possible to install custom distros on colinux
[02:36] <Mez> I'm not too sure about colinux... but it's a different distro
[02:37] <Mez> I wouldnt suggest using colinux anyway, it doesnt look like a good diea
[03:28] <rodolfo> hello, smb4k does not allow me to mount a share, it says: "smbmnt must be installed suid root...". how can I fix it?
[03:29] <insanekane> hmm
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> set the uid.
[03:29] <rodolfo> how?
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo chown 4??? filename
[03:29] <rodolfo> I don't remenber the command...
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> chown
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> 4555 or similar
[03:30] <rodolfo> ok, I'll try
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> locate it, then change it's ownership
[03:30] <rodolfo> yes; but is this the default installation of smb4k in kubuntu?
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure, i don't have smb4k installed.
[03:31] <rodolfo> ok
[03:32] <rodolfo> do you know if I will be able to mount shares of mac OSX computers?
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> you should be able to. but i don't know
[03:33] <rodolfo> thanks
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[04:18] <Tm_T> noooo
[04:21] <Tm_T> hullo hussam 
[04:22] <ice_1963> yes i am 
[04:43] <hussam> is there any way to rebuild OO.o with crystal icons like ones in SuSE?
[04:45] <Skaag> any feeds where I can find krita?
[04:49] <Tm_T> Skaag: it's in Koffice 1.4
[04:49] <Tm_T> Skaag: and you find it from topic ;)
[04:55] <Skaag> thanks
[04:57] <Skaag> brilliant :-)
[04:57] <Skaag> I wish that window drop shadow patch was included in the kubuntu kde
[04:58] <Skaag> would look amazing
[04:58] <buz> i want xgl
[04:58] <Skaag> yes that would be unbeleivably cool as well!! even more so in fact
[04:59] <sproingie> drop shadows require compositing ... slow as hell
[04:59] <buz> unusable on my 3ghz machine, really
[04:59] <sproingie> i want looking glass to mature into something useful
[04:59] <buz> i dont think that concept is useful per se
[05:00] <sproingie> not so much for the gee-wiz 3d stuff, but having a good wm built on an opengl base
[05:00] <buz> whatt is i with the vnc lag all of sudden
[05:00] <sproingie> i dont think looking glass itself is all that useful, but something using the 3d might eventually be
[05:00] <sproingie> but nothing will use those 3d effects until we have a wm that supports it
[05:00] <buz> true
[05:01] <buz> but it just might be that we get xgl before ms gets longhorn out ;)
[05:01] <sproingie> what's xgl?
[05:01] <buz> opengl accelerated X
[05:02] <sproingie> i'm guessing another nvidia-only thing ... likelihood of ATI supporting it seems zero
[05:03] <buz> my next vga card will be nvidia for sure
[05:03] <sproingie> tho if it's built on glx, i guess ati would actually have a leg up
[05:03] <sproingie> i got a good ati card cheap, and it looks nice on windows
[05:03] <sproingie> always liked ati's color quality better
[05:04] <sproingie> it's actually pretty good on linux too, but i don't game on linux.  runs blender mad fast tho
[05:04] <buz> i use dvi so i could care less
[05:05] <sproingie> there's still color differences
[05:05] <Tm_T> phuoh
[05:05] <sproingie> pretty subtle overall tho
[05:05] <buz> there shouldnt be
[05:05] <buz> maybe its calibration related
[05:06] <sproingie> some 3d renders lose colors in the background, get kind of washed out on the nvidias
[05:07] <sproingie> could just be default gamma settings tho
[05:09] <sproingie> only ever had one lockup on the ATI on this box that wasn't heat-related
[05:09] <sproingie> so the drivers are getting better
[05:22] <avinoam> anyone know what the kde panel process is called?
[05:22] <Tm_T> you mean kicker?
[05:23] <avinoam> yup
[05:23] <Tm_T> kicker it is then
[05:23] <avinoam> damn i killalled it and it didn't restart
[05:26] <avinoam> anyone know where firestarter is on kde?
[05:27] <Tm_T> avinoam: hmm, kmenu you mean: run kappfinder
[05:28] <avinoam> where is it?
[05:28] <Tm_T> avinoam: use konsole
[05:28] <avinoam> on gnome it would show up automatically
[05:28] <Tm_T> yeah
[05:28] <Tm_T> kappfinder is tool to update kmenu
[05:30] <avinoam> hmm
[05:30] <avinoam> it didn't find firestarter
[05:30] <Tm_T> ok, now check your kmenu -> debian -> apps -> net ->
[05:31] <avinoam> it seems that i can enter firestarter in command line
[05:32] <avinoam> what the hell is kmenu?
[05:32] <avinoam> the little k button?
[05:33] <avinoam> i don't have debian there
[05:33] <Tm_T> no?
[05:33] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:33] <Tm_T> interesting
[05:34] <avinoam> now how do i check firewall status?
[05:34] <Tm_T> firestarter tell it to you
[05:34] <avinoam> i ran the wizard
[05:34] <avinoam> now where'd it go?
[05:35] <Tm_T> I think you can see blue ball with arrow in systray
[05:35] <avinoam> nope
[05:35] <Tm_T> or red ball
[05:36] <avinoam> nop
[05:36] <Tm_T> hmm
[05:36] <Tm_T> strange indeed
[05:37] <avinoam> yeah
[05:39] <avinoam> maybe i should reboot into gnome to check
[05:48] <jeramy> There's a package that you have to apt-get before you can see the Debian menu
[06:00] <penguinboy> hey guys and gals
[06:08] <pointwood> I'm trying to get my new Laserjet 1020 to work with Kubuntu, but I'm failing so far. It is connected through an USB hub. I tried adding it with the wizard in KDE, but there's not driver for 1020, so I tried 1022, but that didn't work
[06:08] <pointwood> I then tried this: http://support.ideainformatica.com/hplj1020/
[06:09] <pointwood> but when I do "make install-hotplug"
[06:09] <pointwood> I get: /etc/hotplug/usb.usermap: No such file or directory
[06:09] <pointwood> make: *** [install-hotplug]  Error 2
[06:29] <Ghetek> anybody know of a good app to get cd info from amazon/freedb and write tags onto mp3s?
[06:48] <Skaag> damnit why doesn't amaroK work with the Artsd engine
[06:48] <Ghetek> it does...
[06:48] <Skaag> not for me
[06:48] <Skaag> xmms works fine with artsd
[06:48] <Skaag> so does kaffeine
[06:48] <Ghetek> weird
[06:48] <Skaag> yah!
[06:48] <Skaag> it just hangs
[06:49] <Ghetek> tried reinstalling?
[06:49] <Skaag> no
[06:50] <Ghetek> try that?
[06:50] <Skaag> ok
[06:50] <Ghetek> sudo apt-get reinstall amarok
[06:50] <Ghetek> you know...
[06:51] <Skaag> there's no 'reinstall' operation man... :-)
[06:51] <Skaag> there's a reconfigure, yes
[06:51] <Skaag> to reinstall i'll have to uninstall then install
[06:51] <Skaag> with a purge, even better
[06:52] <Skaag> huh?!
[06:52] <Ghetek> weird. i could have swore i used it
[06:52] <Ghetek> damn
[06:52] <Skaag> I can't remove amarok, cuz it will remove kubuntu-desktop???
[06:53] <Skaag> Ghetek: doesn't work for you either?
[06:53] <Ghetek> oh is that integrated too?
[06:53] <Skaag> yes :-(
[06:53] <Skaag> what gives
[06:53] <Ghetek> like open office
[06:53] <Ghetek> mmm
[06:53] <Skaag> that's a horrible bug
[06:53] <Ghetek> what about if you kill all arts processes first?
[06:53] <Skaag> software like that should not be a dependency for kubuntu-desktop
[06:53] <Skaag> I tried rebooting even, and using amarok first thing
[06:53] <Ghetek> mmm
[06:54] <Skaag> nothing works, the moment it tries to contact artsd it freezes
[06:54] <Ghetek> how did you get it to use arts?
[06:54] <Skaag> thing is, it's the only problematic application
[06:54] <Skaag> the rest are all fine
[06:54] <Skaag> in the engines, you select artsd
[06:54] <Ghetek> ...? so it was working at first
[06:54] <Ghetek> ok
[06:54] <Ghetek> mmm
[06:55] <Ghetek> nah i dont know
[06:55] <_chris> is there a known problem with webmin-samba? or the samba package from US repo
[06:56] <Ghetek> Skaag: go to the amarok channel
[06:56] <Ghetek> there are 114 people in there now
[06:56] <Ghetek> more than in here and all geared towards it
[06:56] <Skaag> right...
[06:57] <Skaag> good idea!
[07:22] <_chris> anyone use webmin
[07:23] <AMIGrAve> for an AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3400+  running kubuntu i386 should I use kernel 686 or k7 ?
[07:24] <shogouki> use the force
[07:25] <_chris> the repo ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net appears to be down.  any alternatives?
[07:27] <hussam> Hey, I installed 3 games using wine, but they won't run afterwards because they don't find the cdrom drive, how can I fix this?
[07:29] <AMIGrAve> hussam: is your config file ok ?
[07:30] <hussam> AMIGrAve: I never did a config file, how do I do that?
[07:31] <hussam> AMIGrAve: is there some config file I should create?
[07:32] <AMIGrAve> hussam: check if .wine/config has an entry for you cdrom device, the config file is quite simple
[07:34] <hussam> AMIGrAve: there is no config under ~/.wine 
[07:34] <hussam> AMIGrAve: there is only dosdevices , drive_c, system.reg, userdef.reg, user.reg
[06:35] (froud/#Kubuntu) uniq: I see many users have difficulties with the sources.list
[06:35] <froud> uniq: is there a list of repositories detailed anywhere
[06:36] <uniq> hmm.. there is something on the wiki.. hang on and i'll check.
[06:39] <uniq> we have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats which explains adding of repositories.. 
[06:39] <uniq> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Repositories explains some how how it works.
[06:41] <red22> how about kynaptic/synaptic ask you if you want to update your repository when a better list is available and i tell it "why yes please. ty" heh
[06:41] <froud> thanks those will be good for the user guide :-)
[06:41] <red22> but i will read those howtos, ty
[06:42] <uniq> we also have http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/helpcenterfaq.2004-10-20.1228090247
[06:42] <uniq> that explains multiverse
[06:42] <uniq> and what's there.
[06:42] <uniq> ah.. this is what i was looking for http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/
[06:44] <uniq> !learn components this will explain what main, restricted, universe, and multiverse are. http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/components/
[06:44] <kinfo> Inprinted components (memory injection successful)
[06:45] <froud> yep, I think I am gonna port this stuff from wiki to docbook and put it in the user guide, it seems stable enough
[06:45] <uniq> great :)
[06:45] <rexykik> yo froud
[06:45] <rexykik> i got a great list
[06:46] <rexykik> if you want a copy
[06:46] <froud> rexykik: list of what, repos's yes please
[06:46] <rexykik> yeah, repositories
[06:46] <uniq> rexykik: would be great if you published it on the wiki :)
[06:46] <froud> use kubuntu.pastebin.com
[06:46] <rexykik> i have it all in my email...if you PM me an address i can send it to you.
[06:46] <rexykik> kk
[06:46] <froud> ok
[06:49] <rexykik> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/304292
[06:49] <rexykik> hasn't failed me yet
[06:50] <froud> rexykik: looks normal and stable
[06:51] <rexykik> yup
[06:51] <froud> captured thanks
[06:51] <rexykik> np
[06:53] <froud> uniq: you reckon its ok to add https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats to Kubuntu User Guide, it not official?
[06:54] <uniq> I think it would be ok, the info sure is important to people.
[06:56] <uniq> but then again i don't know if it's a good thing to "officialy" advise people to use backports and such.
[06:56] <froud> yes, that's why I am cautious
[06:57] <froud> better to stay on the safe side, some of those backports install some very unwanted stuff
[06:57] <uniq> if i were to choose i'd leave it out for now.. and ask for advise from someone that knows.
[06:57] <uniq> yes, i agree.
[06:58] <froud> well ubuntuguide.org tried that and it was rejected
[06:58] <froud> we had this debate over at docteam a few months back
[06:58] <uniq> ok.
[06:59] <froud> boy I love kjot for capturing this stuff
[07:00] <froud> such a simple but useful app
[07:00] <rexykik> ?
[07:05] <froud> is there a K equivalent to update-notifier?
[07:05] <uniq> not in the repositories, no.
[07:05] <uniq> not yet.
[07:05] <uniq> it's one of the goals for breezy.
[07:05] <froud> where is it being developed?
[07:05] <red22> uniq the source you pasted is  for kde 3.4.1.. if i only have 3.4.0 can i download kdevelop from there and not break anything?
[07:06] <uniq> red22: if you don't want kde 3.4.1 i suggest leaving out the kde 3.4.1 and koffice 1.4 lines.
[07:07] <red22> i need kdevelop, but default repositories don't find it when i search for it
[07:07] <unome> tried the backports?
[07:08] <red22> so i was gonna try yours, but saw that it's 3.4.1 ... default install uses 3.4.0 no?
[07:09] <uniq> red22: yes, default from ubuntu.com servers uses 3.4.0, the packages are however made by the same people as 'semi-official' updates to kubuntu.
[07:09] <uniq> the kubuntu.org packages that is.
[07:11] <Far^Side> hmm... there seems to be some broken packages when trying to install VLC, what could I do to install it?
[07:12] <uniq> red22: take a look at method 2. here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToAccessTheUniverseRepository
[07:12] <rexykik> remove the packages and then re apt-get install; will download the ones that will broken
[07:12] <uniq> !learn uncomment remove the # at the start of a line.
[07:12] <kinfo> Inprinted uncomment (memory injection successful)
[07:13] <uniq> far^side: where do you try to install vlc from? - the official repositories or backports? 
[07:13] <Far^Side> uniq, sorry forgot to say, it's breezy badger
[07:14] <Far^Side> official rep
[07:14] <uniq> far^side: don't use breezy. it will break.
[07:14] <Far^Side> uniq, well, I guess it's to late to downgrade
[07:14] <uniq> no, it's not.
[07:14] <Far^Side> s/to late/too late
[07:14] <froud> Far^Side: yes, uless you know what you are doing, leave breezy for now
[07:15] <Far^Side> is it possible to do it without having to reinstall?
[07:15] <uniq> it is.
[07:16] <uniq> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DowngradingFromHoaryHowTo
[07:17] <uniq> just change warty to hoary.
[07:17] <uniq> and try that.
[07:17] <uniq> it's however not supported in any way. and it's not adviseable either.
[07:17] <uniq> but it's possible.
[07:18] <uniq> warty => hoary
[07:19] <uniq> 4.10 => 5.04
[07:19] <uniq> in /etc/apt/preferences
[07:21] <Far^Side> hmm... that means I would have to say bye bye to OOo 1.9x for now?
[07:22] <uniq> openoffice.org2 1.9.79.2-0ubuntu2 is in hoary.
[07:22] <uniq> so, no.
[07:22] <unome> uniq how to check what a system is using: hoary or breezy?
[07:23] <uniq> cat /etc/issue.net
[07:23] <unome> thanks
[07:24] <uniq> !learn apt-pinning howto for apt-pinning is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PinningHowto
[07:24] <kinfo> Inprinted apt-pinning (memory injection successful)
[07:24] <Far^Side> uniq, so, what is the main difference between hoary and breezy?
[07:25] <uniq> far^side: hoary is stable, breezy is the workingplace for the developers. breezy will break every now and then.
[07:25] <Far^Side> yes, I know...
[07:26] <Far^Side> how about packages?
[07:26] <uniq> hoary packages are older. naturaly.
[07:26] <uniq> +l
[07:27] <uniq> but it's not that much a difference for KDE.
[07:27] <uniq> we have backports and semi-official packages for KDE 3.4.1 and Koffice 1.4.
[07:28] <Far^Side> ok
[07:28] <red22> g2g, ty for help uniq
[07:28] <unome> Maybe some packages will change in the next 3 months prior to breezy's release
[07:29] <uniq> breezy will get updates that are not backported to hoary, yes. no doubt.
[07:29] <uniq> are not/won't be
[07:31] <nikkia> *sigh* i'm still getting hammered by ssh-exploit attempts, i see
[07:32] <uniq> i had a series of those a few weeks ago too.
[07:33] <nikkia> uniq, i've had about 30 hosts attempt it this week
[07:33] <Far^Side> hmm... does hoary use utf-8?
[07:33] <uniq> far^side: by default, yes, but you can choose.
[07:33] <nikkia> have a little python script that blacklists their IP if it sees a failed ssh connection
[07:33] <uniq> nice :)
[07:33] <nikkia> even so, it only runs once a minute
[07:34] <nikkia> and it looks like my auth.log rolled over, so i only have one blacklisted IP in there now
[07:37] <kay> Why don't you just use portknocking ?
[07:38] <kay> Rather than to allow anybody access ssh, only start it after you send some well known knock signals
[07:38] <nikkia> kay, too much hassle
[07:39] <kay> There are packages that handle it for you
[07:39] <nikkia> it would mean memorising the pattern to gain access
[07:39] <kay> Look at e.g. knockd in Debian's
[07:39] <rexykik> you could write it in a script
[07:40] <rexykik> then just execute the script
[07:40] <kay> And you can make it also very simple
[07:40] <nikkia> rexykik: sometimes i have to use the corp. laptop, it has ssh on, but i can't install any other software
[07:40] <kay> The point is, before people even can attack your shh
[07:40] <rexykik> blah @ corporate world
[07:40] <kay> They need to e.g. make some http connection to an URL
[07:41] <kay> Or "finger" the machine... what you want
[07:41] <kay> It limits the worm style exploit chances to 0
[07:42] <nikkia> they don't have a chance anyway, they only get 3 ssh attempts before they're blacklisted
[07:42] <nikkia> noone is going to dictionary attack my account in that time :P
[07:42] <kay> One can be sufficient, right?
[07:42] <kay> With an remote exploit in place, that is
[07:43] <nikkia> kay, all i'm seeing are brute force dictionary attacks against a long list of usernames
[07:43] <kay> With ssh, you could only open to IPs that do try ssh on ports
[07:43] <kay> that only you know
[07:43] <nikkia> i don't think its even a openssh exploit
[07:44] <nikkia> it looks suspiciously like a cisco ssh exploit, given the usernames
[07:44] <uniq> the easier solution is to make sshd listen to a different port :)
[07:44] <kay> Maybe already good enough uniq 
[07:47] <kay> I find it more obvious to rather whitelist IPs than to blacklist :p
[07:47] <kay> So, who was at LinuxTag?
[07:47] <nikkia> kay, if you always connect from a specific set of IPs, that's fine :)
[07:48] <kay> nikkia: I can whitelist my address through the firewall
[07:50] <kay> bye...
[08:06] <Far^Side> 1 upgraded, 24 newly installed, 814 downgraded, 81 to remove and 1 not upgraded. <-- this will take some time :P
[08:18] <Slackman> hey all
[08:33] <Far^Side> is there a way of adding vga=791 to each "kernel ..." line in the menu.lst file, so that it won't get removed when updating/installing a new kernel?
[08:35] <mrmanic> Far^Side: yeah, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[08:35] <dabugas> hi
[08:35] <dabugas> is anyone using kooldock?
[08:35] <mrmanic> Far^Side: and add vga=791 to your default kopt line
[08:36] <mrmanic> Far^Side: and then run update-grub
[08:36] <mrmanic> dabugas: yes, I am
[08:36] <mrmanic> dabugas: kooldock 0.3
[08:37] <dabugas> mrmanic: i get a slight flicker at the top right hand of the bar every time i open it
[08:37] <dabugas> do you also get that?
[08:37] <dabugas> i've tried both the ubuntu .deb & the debian-sid one
[08:37] <chx> hi
[08:37] <uniq> far^side: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GrubHowto - look at the setting kernel parameters section.
[08:37] <uniq> hi chx.
[08:38] <mrmanic> dabugas: yes.  I get a flicker every time I move the mouse to the edge of the screen where it is hidden.
[08:38] <chx> I am running approximately the same programs as I did when I had 768M of RAM + 360M of swap. Now I have 512M more phys RAM and top says 1223596k used
[08:38] <chx> unhi
[08:38] <chx> uniq: speaking of Grub.. have I asked you about my grub problem? :)
[08:38] <dabugas> mrmanic: grrrr. i was hoping it was simply something to do with my configuration, rather than a bug in the problem
[08:38] <mrmanic> dabugas: I'm using the debian sid package, I reckon.
[08:39] <uniq> chx: don't think you have.
[08:39] <mrmanic> dabugas: I think it is an issue in the code, unfortunately.
[08:39] <uniq> chx: as for your ram-issue, it's not an issue.. it's just linux taking all your ram buffered.
[08:40] <dabugas> mrmanic: it would be alright if i wasn't looking directly AT the bar every time i use it. but of course, that beats the purpose of it, doesn't it? ;(
[08:40] <uniq> chx: everything in buffers is free in a way.
[08:40] <chx> uniq: so, I have a new hard disk in a usb rack (/dev/sda). Later it'll become primary master (/dev/hda). I'd like to setup grub so it boots. I have tried, but it says "GRUB hard disk error" instead of booting
[08:40] <Choubaka> it's used to speed up access to common files until some application wants the ram. :)
[08:41] <Choubaka> or that's cache.
[08:41] <uniq> chx: hmm.. i don't know actually.. i don't use grub my self.. maybe someone else here does? 
[08:41] <dabugas> mrmanic: have you experimented with any of the other kicker/docks?
[08:41] <chx> uniq: I have only 150M in buffers and 564584k cached...
[08:41] <chx> is cached also "free"?
[08:42] <chx> OK, any grub experts here?
[08:42] <mrmanic> dabugas: I did a long time ago.  tried osxBar, the superkaramba thing, which was really unstable on my box.  Haven't tried anything recently.
[08:43] <mrmanic> Are the usb modules in the initrd in kubuntu?
[08:43] <dabugas> mrmanic: ah, superkaramba is probably the only one i haven't tried yet. i'll have a go now. i really like kooldock, but the flicker annoys me too much.
[08:43] <Far^Side> mrmanic && uniq, ok, thank you
[08:44] <mrmanic> dabugas: kooldock definitely needs some work to be really excellent.  It serves my needs, and the flicker doesn't bother me that much (I've been using it for >1 year)
[08:44] <mrmanic> dabugas: let me know how you like superkaramba and osxBar
[08:44] <uniq> far^side: did the downgrade to hoary work out? 
[08:44] <mrmanic> dabugas: if you don't mind.
[08:44] <mrmanic> dabugas: if they've gotten more stable and reliable and easier to use, I might make the switch.
[08:45] <Far^Side> uniq, yes, I guess so, going to do a restart no. (Got some error messages, but just did a new aptitude dist-upgrade afterwards)
[08:45] <Far^Side> btw, is there a way of chaning the monitor refresh rate in a frame buffer virtual console?
[08:45] <uniq> far^side: ok. when you're done i suggest changing back to hoary-only stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list if you haven't already. and then removing /etc/apt/preferences
[08:46] <mrmanic> chx: if the usb modules aren't in the initrd, you won't be able to run a usb hard drive as your primary drive, AFAIK
[08:46] <chx> mrmanic: I do not want to boot from usb
[08:47] <chx> mrmanic: I want to boot from the disk _later_ when it is HDA
[08:47] <mrmanic> oh
[08:47] <Far^Side> uniq, yes, I have done the sources.list part. (Did it before the downgrade)
[08:47] <Far^Side> will do the remove pref file part
[08:49] <mrmanic> chx: I don't really know then.
[08:55] <dabugas> mrmanic: the tuxbar in superkaramba moves with the same speed as keanu reeves dodging bullets.
[08:56] <mrmanic> hehe
[08:56] <nikkia> dabugas: woah! :P
[08:56] <mrmanic> dabugas: this way you can feel like you're in bullet time ALL the time!
[08:56] <nikkia> awww rats!
[08:56] <nikkia> i forgot to bring the .wav files i need, home from the office
[08:57] <mrmanic> nikkia: ssh into work and scp them down.
[08:58] <nikkia> mrmanic, doing just that :/
[08:58] <dabugas> mrmanic: not really. i just feel that it would be BETTER to be impaled by bullets rather than watching this bar move. of course, i only have 600 mhz atholon.
[08:58] <mrmanic> haha
[08:59] <mrmanic> yeah, if nothing else, kooldock does move quickly.
[09:00] <mrmanic> I feel as though the kooldock flashing issue would be fairly easily fixed by painting the area before displaying it.
[09:01] <nikkia> argh, my brain is fried
[09:01] <nikkia> i can't even work out what 150/25 is :(
[09:02] <rexykik> lmao
[09:02] <rexykik> 5
[09:02] <rexykik> dur
[09:02] <aseigo> hahahha
[09:02] <rexykik> kekekeke
[09:02] <mrmanic> haha
[09:03] <uniq> nikkia: i have the same problem, my brain is either fried or just to lazy.
[09:03] <nikkia> uniq, i've been in 'crunch time' for the entire life of this project, which has been, umm, 6 weeks
[09:04] <nikkia> it was supposed to be delivered 3 weeks before i started :(
[09:04] <Far^Side|laptop> how could I see the text currently displayed on a virtual console, remoteley? What /dev device should I check?
[09:04] <uniq> nikkia: ugh. :|
[09:04] <nikkia> uniq, i've worked til 1-3am every day for the last 6 weeks as a result, 
[09:05] <uniq> doesn't sound good.
[09:05] <uniq> i'm on standby while at work.. there is -nothing- to do.
[09:05] <nikkia> uniq, what really takes the cake, is that i'm expected to do this in time for the new deadline (friday, including testing)...
[09:06] <nikkia> the other guy working on the same hardware has been working on his project (slightly less complex) for the last year!
[09:06] <uniq> sounds promising.
[09:06] <nikkia> the strange thing is, i wouldn't want to trade my job
[09:07] <uniq> i resigned last thursday. :)
[09:07] <uniq> or.. delivered my resignation. 
[09:08] <uniq> friday is my last day :)
[09:08] <nikkia> right, thats the audio edited
[09:08] <nikkia> anyone want to place a wager on whether it'll sync to the video ? :P
[09:09] <rexykik> against or towards it?
[09:09] <uniq> it won't sync. murphys law :)
[09:09] <rexykik> lol
[09:10] <rexykik> thinkin same thing
[09:12] <nikkia> well, it didn't
[09:15] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: got some downgrading errors: wget http://home.no.net/havarhen/downgrade.error
[09:15] <Francesco88Italy> i'm italian
[09:15] <Francesco88Italy> i don't speak english very well
[09:16] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: I thought it worked ok, but it didn't
[09:16] <Francesco88Italy> i have the problem
[09:16] <Francesco88Italy> to installation last version kubuntu
[09:16] <Francesco88Italy> error to installation system base!!!
[09:16] <Francesco88Italy> Help me please!!
[09:17] <uniq> far^side|laptop: sudo dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.10.27ubuntu1_i386.deb'
[09:17] <apollo2011> Where do I edit what gets loaded when Ubuntu is booted? I see several things that I could remove and save sometime booting up
[09:17] <uniq> far^side|laptop: that should fix one of the problems. 
[09:18] <Francesco88Italy> help me!!!
[09:19] <uniq> apollo2011: you can use 'update-rc.d -f what-to-remove remove' from the commandline. the names of the services are the filenames in /etc/init.d/
[09:19] <apollo2011> ok thx
[09:19] <uniq> francesco88italy: what is the problem? 
[09:19] <Francesco88Italy> help me please!!! I have the problem when install the kubuntu
[09:19] <Francesco88Italy> read up
[09:19] <jbroome> which problem?
[09:19] <Francesco88Italy> read up
[09:20] <uniq> francesco88italy: error installing base system doesn't tell me much.
[09:21] <Francesco88Italy> during installation of kubuntu
[09:21] <Francesco88Italy> installation fail because don0t read the cdrom or base system ubuntu
[09:21] <Francesco88Italy> scuse me for english language i'm italian
[09:22] <uniq> francesco88italy: could the cd be damaged? 
[09:24] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: hmm, didn't help, got another error. (It's at the same URL) (Sorry for the bad formating, it's cat'ed from /dev/vcs1)
[09:25] <Mez> Francesco88Italy, try #ubuntu-it
[09:25] <Mez> I think it's #ubuntu-it
[09:26] <Mez> yeah, #ubuntu-it for Italian support
[09:26] <dabugas> mrmanic: i don't know if you're aware of kxdocker. the debs from its homepage work fine in kubuntu. it's very feature rich, a bitch to configure and i can't get it to do work the way i want it, so far. but maybe you likes.
[09:26] <mrmanic> dabugas: I tried it once a long time ago  Does it run fast?
[09:27] <uniq> far^side|laptop: try sudo dpkg --force-all -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.10.27ubuntu1_i386.deb then
[09:28] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: yes, that worked, thank you.
[09:29] <dabugas> mrmanic: its pretty fast but it seems to either want to resize my desktop when the bar appears (not fast & ugly) or reveal the background over the window when the bar appears (fast & ugly)
[09:29] <dabugas> mrmanic: on the site FAQ it has a screenshot that looks just like kooldock, but i can't seem to configure it to work like that.
[09:29] <uniq> far^side|laptop: then 'mv /usr/bin/X11 /usr/bin/X11.bak'
[09:30] <mrmanic> dabugas: weird.  Maybe I'll give it a try.
[09:30] <uniq> far^side|laptop: continue with 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and give me the new error :)
[09:32] <nikkia> lol
[09:32] <nikkia> i thought my game had stopped working there....
[09:32] <nikkia> turned out i didn't have any credits left in the virtual machine :P
[09:37] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: I didn't have the /usr/bin/X11 file... I've uploaded the new error message file
[09:38] <uniq> far^side|laptop: check spelling on the command. dist-upgrade is the correct way.
[09:38] <dabugas> mrmanic: i got it to work like kooldock more or less but it also seems to flicker. it happens less often, but still. i resign - i'll stick to kooldock.
[09:38] <mrmanic> heh
[09:38] <uniq> far^side|laptop: nevermind.. it was corrected in the log :)
[09:39] <mrmanic> that was basically my experience with it 6 months ago, IIRC
[09:39] <mrmanic> dabugas: --^
[09:39] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: :)
[09:40] <uniq> far^side|laptop: apt-get --purge remove apache2-common (you can install it later)
[09:43] <dabugas> mrmanic: how do you add separators in kooldock?
[09:45] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: hmm.. seems like apache2 had some dependencies, new error messages uploaded
[09:45] <mrmanic> dabugas: no idea.  I set mine up a long time ago, and haven't messed with it since.
[09:46] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: doing a apt-get -f install just gives me the same error message as before I tried to remove apache2
[09:47] <uniq> far^side|laptop: you didn't remove apache. do that.
[09:48] <uniq> you can use 'dpkg -r apache2-mpm-prefork'
[09:50] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: "dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success"
[09:50] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: and I still get the same problems when trying to remove apache2-common
[09:52] <uniq> mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-mpm-prefork.prerm /tmp;echo 'exit 0' > /var/lib/dpkg/info/apache2-mpm-prefork.prerm;dpkg -r apache2-mpm-prefork
[09:52] <uniq> same error? 
[09:55] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: yes, this error: "dpkg: configuration error: unknown option log: Success"
[09:55] <uniq> far^side|laptop: can you post the whole error to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com ? 
[09:56] <Far^Side|laptop> hmm... not running X right now, and I don't have gpm working
[09:56] <uniq> ok. put it the usual place then.
[09:57] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: ok, done
[09:58] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: brb
[09:58] <uniq> far^side|laptop: the dpkg -r apache2-mpm-prefork error?
[10:03] <Far^Side|laptop> yes
[10:04] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: it's the same
[10:04] <uniq> far^side|laptop: well can you post it? 
[10:04] <Far^Side|laptop> didn~t yo get it?
[10:05] <uniq> i want the error from  dpkg -r apache2-mpm-prefork
[10:05] <uniq> not the apt-get -f install error.
[10:05] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: done
[10:06] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: I placed the file in the wrong directory :P
[10:12] <red22> is there a good kde gui for changing grub (bootloader) settings?
[10:13] <Far^Side|laptop> kwrite :)
[10:15] <red22> no no, i tried that one already :P
[10:15] <Far^Side|laptop> lol
[10:15] <red22> how can i edit that file so that winxp is my default os to load?  my sister almost shot me when she found out i installed linux here
[10:17] <gdh> just move the entry in boot.lst to the top of the relevant section
[10:17] <uniq> far^side|laptop: how does /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg look like? (post it on the web please)
[10:18] <gdh> red22: sorry, /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:18] <red22> i changed "default saved" and then added "savedefault" to the windows section like the config file said... no luck
[10:19] <red22> from "default 0"
[10:19] <gdh> Ah, didn't know you could even do that - I'd just move the Windows one to the top :)
[10:19] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: done, just replace downgrade.error with dpkg.cfg
[10:20] <gdh> red22: Besides, don't take any shit from your sister :)
[10:20] <red22> gdh, you can "SUPPOSEDLY" do that, bc i did it and it's like i didn't do anything.. no change at all
[10:20] <Far^Side|laptop> red22: or, introduce your sister to the wonderfull world of Linux :)
[10:20] <uniq> far^side|laptop: comment out the log entry.
[10:20] <Far^Side|laptop> ok
[10:21] <munki> where is the kde Window Decorations stored ?
[10:21] <red22> farside, i will, but as you can imagine, that is gonna take a little time
[10:22] <munki> got a little problem installing Window Decorations .
[10:22] <red22> slocate for one of the deocoration names
[10:22] <uniq> far^side|laptop: then try apt-get -f install again.
[10:24] <red22> once you make a change to /boot/grub/menu.lst, do you need to exec something so that the change is applied?  i make changes and nothing is different at boot ..?
[10:24] <uniq> no, grub reads the file directly.
[10:24] <uniq> ?? grub-howto
[10:24] <kinfo> No match for "grub-howto"
[10:24] <uniq> !! grub
[10:24] <kinfo> No match for "*grub*"
[10:24] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: yes, that worked! (Just got an error at the end that the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file had been customized and it wasn't updated)
[10:24] <red22> the mbr stuff only tells the machine to jump to /boot and read the grub stuff?
[10:25] <uniq> far^side|laptop: i rock.
[10:25] <uniq> :)
[10:25] <uniq> red22: basically.
[10:25] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: :) Should I try another apt-get dist-upgrade now?
[10:25] <niall> Can someone help me make tvtime or kaffeine detect my DVB card?
[10:25] <uniq> far^side|laptop: yes.
[10:25] <gdh> what card?
[10:26] <niall> Twinhan DVB-T
[10:26] <uniq> far^side|laptop: you can safely delete dpkg.cfg
[10:26] <gdh> Heh, always the cheap ones :)
[10:26] <niall> It shows up fine in dmesg output
[10:26] <uniq> far^side|laptop: and you should copy back /tmp/apache2-mpm-prefork.prerm to /var/lib/dpkg/info/
[10:26] <niall> And the Gnome hardware listing, but the player software doesn't find it.
[10:27] <gdh> niall: how does it show? any "DVB: registering frontend 0"
[10:27] <red22> there is a program called grubconf, but it's geared towards gnome.  i guess i'll install the gnome libraries so i can compile that.
[10:28] <niall> No, frontend isn't mentioned.
[10:28] <gdh> niall: Likely the driver isn't supporting your board yet - I've seen loads of traffic on the linux-dvb list about the twinhans
[10:29] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: oops... the /tmp/apache2-mpm-prefork.prerm file got overwritten :P Forgot to make a backup of it before i did the mv command again. (I guess I should've only done the "dpkg -r apache2-mpm-prefork" part...)
[10:29] <gdh> Am not really sure what to suggest because I know nothing about those boards.
[10:29] <niall> Right. It was specifically mentioned on some list of supported boards tho...
[10:29] <uniq> far^side|laptop: apt-get install --reinstall apache2-mpm-prefork
[10:30] <gdh> niall: I'd subscribe / read the archives of the linux-dvb list - I have no more advice to offer..
[10:30] <gdh> niall: Might be a firmware thing, might be a 'need a newer driver than Kubuntu has' thing...
[10:30] <niall> gdh: OK. Thanks anyway. 
[10:30] <gdh> niall:I daresay you'll be able to get it working, but I personally don't know how. I've only used the Siemens / Fujisti boards.
[10:31] <gdh> Fujitsu :)
[10:31] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: btw, got some more errors. "setting locale failed", new error message uploaded
[10:33] <Far^Side|laptop> (I haven't reinstalled apache2-mpm-prefork yet)
[10:34] <uniq> far^side|laptop: dpkg-reconfigure locales
[10:35] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: "locales is broken or not fully installed", new error message uploaded...
[10:36] <uniq> apt-get install localaes
[10:36] <uniq> apt-get install locales
[10:39] <jh0n> if i have framebuffer support, there should be /dev/fb0, correct?
[10:39] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: no error messages, should I do a apt-get dist-upgrade?
[10:41] <uniq> far^side|laptop: yes.
[10:41] <gdh> jh0n: yes, and 'fbset -i' should return interesting things
[10:41] <jh0n> thx
[10:42] <jh0n> fbset not found.  what do i need to do to enable fb support with kubuntu?
[10:42] <gdh> jh0n: module 'fb' should be loaded and /proc/devices shoudl show '29 fb'
[10:43] <gdh> jh0n: sudo apt-get install fbset
[10:43] <gdh> :)
[10:43] <jh0n> @gdh - should work regardless of videocard?
[10:44] <kakalto> morning...
[10:45] <jh0n> ok.  run fbset, and get the message "open dev/fb0 - no such file or directory"
[10:45] <jh0n> how do i create fb0?
[10:45] <uniq> modprobe fb
[10:45] <uniq> i guess.
[10:45] <gdh> jh0n: nono fb is just a core support module
[10:45] <gdh> you will need to load the appropriate 'frontend' module for your gfx card
[10:46] <uniq> ah.. sure.
[10:46] <gdh> jh0n:  what type of card is int?
[10:46] <gdh> it?
[10:46] <jh0n> hm.  so it'll be specific to the radeon?
[10:46] <jh0n> i'm radeon7500
[10:46] <jh0n> just trying to get tvout working, and it seems like fbxine is my best bet.
[10:46] <gdh> modprobe radeonfb
[10:46] <jh0n> thx
[10:49] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: got a warning question about removing the current running kernel, should I answer yes or no? (Full message uploaded to the same place, pastebin.com having mysql errors)
[10:49] <uniq> far^side|laptop: keep the current kernel. it's not dangerous.
[10:50] <uniq> +don't
[10:50] <uniq> don't keep the breezy kernel.
[10:50] <uniq> you should reboot after downgrading the kernel.. that's all.
[10:51] <Far^Side|laptop> ok
[10:51] <gdh> Far^Side|laptop:  Don't worry about uniq, it' s just his multiple personalities fighting :)
[10:51] <Far^Side|laptop> gdh: lol
[10:51] <Far^Side|laptop> :)
[10:51] <uniq> heh :)
[10:55] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: new error message at kubuntu.pastebin.com
[10:55] <jh0n2> ok.  modprobe radeonfb definitely didn't work....
[10:56] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: kubuntu.pastebin.com/30445
[10:56] <jh0n2> monitor lost signal.
[10:56] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: ehh... 304425 
[10:56] <uniq> far^side|laptop: mv /usr/include/X11 /usr/include/X11.bak;apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[10:57] <jh0n2> do i need to be using 'radeon' in xorg.conf to modprobe radeonfb?  i'm using 'ati' in xorg.conf....
[10:59] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: new error message at 304426
[11:00] <uniq> far^side|laptop: dpkg --force-overwrite -i /var/cache/apt/archives/xorg-common_6.8.2-10_all.deb
[11:03] <tomi> Whea, good evenin', I just installed the system, asked friend for help and noticed I didn't have root password set, or at least I don't remember it.. Is there any default setting for it? 
[11:03] <tomi> I remember only setting this other account during the installation.
[11:03] <HavoK> tomi: yep, that's normal
[11:03] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: ok, it worked.
[11:03] <HavoK> you should use sudo 
[11:04] <tomi> Excuse me, sudo as the password or is that a command or something similar?
[11:04] <HavoK> sudo -i ==> su - 
[11:04] <HavoK> sudo apt-get => executes apt-get as root
[11:04] <HavoK> tomi: it's a program 
[11:04] <Slackman> hi, is there somewhere i can get a breezy iso from? i am aware that breezy may be broken at times
[11:04] <HavoK> it ask you for your user's password
[11:04] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: another apt-get dist-upgrade?
[11:05] <tomi> Whoa, I'm lagging behind in this conversation already, sorry for it, only linux I've tested earlier was SuSE live eval about two years ago.
[11:05] <HavoK> tomi: hmm.. try "sudo passwd root"
[11:05] <Far^Side|laptop> Slackman: don't think so, you'll have to upgrade from hoary hedghehog
[11:05] <tomi> Okay, I will try, brb
[11:05] <HavoK> and put your pass in there
[11:05] <Slackman> Far^Side|laptop, k. thanks.
[11:05] <gdh> jh0n2: Hang on.. you're in X at the moment?
[11:06] <HavoK> but I suggest you to give sudo a try
[11:06] <gdh> jh0n2: You can't run framebuffer-radeonfb and Xorg with an ati driver at the same time! :)
[11:06] <gdh> since both will talk to the radeon directly.
[11:06] <tomi> HavoK, It seemed to work, thank you a lot :)
[11:07] <HavoK> tomi: no problem =) I suggest you to give a try to sudo... 
[11:07] <jh0n2> gdh - thx.  if i switch to a new console, would that work?  or do i need to kill x before modprobe radeonfb?
[11:07] <HavoK> there are a lot of FAQs on the web
[11:07] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: it worked, did a apt-get dist-upgrade twice. Last one said: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded
[11:08] <tomi> I'm just starting this :)
[11:08] <gdh> jh0n2: no idea, try both :)
[11:08] <gdh> jh0n2: I've not messed with fb much
[11:08] <uniq> far^side|laptop: great. welcome to hoary and the sane world.
[11:08] <HavoK> tomi: =)
[11:08] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: so I guess I'm back on hoary hedghehog?
[11:08] <jh0n2> will try.  thx.  :)
[11:08] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: thank you! doing a reboot
[11:08] <uniq> far^side|laptop: do update-grub first.
[11:09] <tomi> Another little question - I want to have a bigger resolution (ATI Radeon 9600XT) and heard that catalysts don't love Linux. Should I go to ati.com and download some linux drivers found there?
[11:10] <KaiL> resolution shouldn't have ANYTHING to do with the driver
[11:10] <tomi> Oh
[11:11] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: fsck, I got a error: fsck.ext3: no such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sda6
[11:11] <tomi> Why doesn't it support 1280x1024 or what was it then? Only getting 1024x780 or similar now.
[11:11] <tomi> What should I do?
[11:11] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: I forgot to do a update-grub before I rebooted
[11:12] <KaiL> tomi: maybe because your screen doesn't support more? :)
[11:12] <uniq> far^side|laptop: but you can get into the system? 
[11:12] <Far^Side|laptop> no :P
[11:13] <tomi> KaiL, Err, it supports 1280x1024 in Windows
[11:13] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: it says /dev/console: No such file or directory
[11:13] <mrmanic> tomi: are you on a laptop?
[11:13] <tomi> Nope
[11:13] <Far^Side|laptop> Give root password for maintenance
[11:13] <uniq> far^side|laptop: ok. choose antoher kernel in grub when booting.
[11:13] <tomi> The monitor is BenQ's 17" TFT
[11:13] <uniq> far^side|laptop: 2.6.10-5 if it's there.
[11:13] <tomi> Should definitely support the higher one.
[11:13] <KaiL> tomi: and you didn't get asked?
[11:14] <tomi> Umm, in what point? During the installation?
[11:14] <KaiL> jes
[11:14] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: didn't work :P
[11:14] <mrmanic> tomi: the fglrx drivers are available in universe, I think.
[11:14] <mrmanic> tomi: fglrx is the ati binary driver.
[11:15] <tomi> Ah, I remember something there.. But I guess I tried to check the box where that resolution was, and pressed enter, and the installation continued already.. Guess I shouldn't have pressed enter
[11:15] <KaiL> mrmanic: they are in "restriced" and so on the CD, but this doesn'e help
[11:15] <KaiL> tomi: <space> to select it ;)
[11:15] <mrmanic> ah
[11:16] <tomi> Aww. That info came in too late, I guess.
[11:16] <uniq> far^side|laptop: ok, try the recovery options then.
[11:16] <tomi> Can I change it anymore? :(
[11:16] <KaiL> tomi: sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:16] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: I tried that also, same problem :P
[11:16] <Far^Side|laptop> f*ck
[11:16] <tomi> KaiL, I'll try that one
[11:17] <KaiL> scroll down to the list or resolutions and add the missing one at the beginning of that line(s)
[11:17] <uniq> far^side|laptop: ok, boot from cd, mount root filesystem, chroot to it. and run update-grub. when it comes to grub i'm not much help. i don't use it myself.
[11:17] <KaiL> normally 24bit should be the only interesting one, on some bad hardware 16bit
[11:18] <jh0n> ok, let's try this....does kubuntu install a framebuffer by default?
[11:18] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: ok, booting knoppix
[11:18] <KaiL> jh0n: yes and no - it at least tries to start one while installing
[11:19] <KaiL> but except breaking on some bad laptops, I didn't see and effect ;)
[11:19] <KaiL> ..any
[11:19] <jh0n> and now knowing that modprobe radeonfb isn't my answer...how do i force something like vesafb or vidixfb?
[11:21] <tomi> KaiL, Okay, I added the "1280x1024" res in the beginning of those 4 lines there. What should I do to save it?
[11:21] <KaiL> strg+o
[11:21] <KaiL> and strg+x for quit
[11:22] <tomi> Excuse me, strg?
[11:23] <KaiL> control
[11:23] <KaiL> ctrl afaik in english ;)
[11:25] <tomi> Hmm, did that ctrl+o, hit enter, pressed ctrl+x. What should I do now for the changes to appear? I right click the desktop and cannot select a higher resolution yet. Did I miss something or did I do something wrong again?
[11:25] <tomi> I'm really really new with all this.
[11:26] <KaiL> restart X
[11:26] <KaiL> it'll switch automatically then
[11:27] <tomi> Just by writing "restart X" or?
[11:27] <KaiL> nop
[11:27] <KaiL> press ctrl+alt+backspace
[11:29] <tomi> Err, must've done something wrong then.
[11:30] <KaiL> still 1024?
[11:31] <tomi> Yup.
[11:31] <KaiL> crappy device :(
[11:31] <tomi> Could you paste the commands? I'll retry.
[11:32] <KaiL> I guess, I know, why...
[11:32] <KaiL> could you add /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log to http://pastebin.ca/ =
[11:32] <KaiL> ?
[11:32] <kay> can it really be that apt-cache search podcast has nothing?!
[11:33] <KaiL> what's podcast?
[11:33] <tomi> Err, could I add what to where? And what do those files contain, graphic settings?
[11:34] <KaiL> the first are the settings, the second the logfile about the X-Server startup
[11:35] <tomi> And how do I add those?
[11:35] <KaiL> do you see the "upload a file" above the big textbox? :)
[11:35] <Slackman> hi, i've got a problem with apt, it wont let me install a package because i have unmet deps, but the package i want to install has nothing to do with libkiten1
[11:36] <troy> okay folks, I'm trying kubuntu for the first time, wish me luck :)
[11:36] <unome> best of luck
[11:36] <unome> troy: you'll enjoy the best linux desktop experience evah
[11:40] <jh0n> trying to install new video drivers (vidix).  got the .tar file...does it matter where i extract this before installing?
[11:41] <jh0n> never installed w/o apt-get before.
[11:41] <Skaag[zzz] > how do I take a screenshot of my desktop
[11:41] <uniq> skaag: use ksnapshot.
[11:41] <Skaag> ok thanks :-)
[11:46] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: I get this error message when trying to boot: /proc/ide/ttyy7/media: no such file or directory
[11:46] <Far^Side|laptop> I have tried to do a update-grub and installed a new kernel while in chroot
[11:47] <uniq> far^side|laptop: ok. go back into knoppix and chroot to the root filesystem.
[11:47] <tomi> The connection died and I had no clue what to do, reboot does wonders though.
[11:48] <tomi> KaiL still here?
[11:48] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: ok. (btw, I replaced knoppix with kubuntu-live)
[11:49] <uniq> far^side|laptop: remove the /etc/apt/preferences file. change /etc/apt/sources.list back to breezy, apt-get install the kernel you had in breezy.
[11:49] <tomi> How do you boot the connection? My mate didn't have a clue with his commands.
[11:51] <Skaag> strange, my KMail keeps saying KWallet is not available
[11:51] <Skaag> but it is there in the task bar, a wallet is open
[11:52] <uniq> far^side|laptop: if you don't remember which one you had, apt-cache search linux-image, apt-get install the latest. when it's installed change back to hoary in /etc/apt/sources.list and reboot.
[11:57] <tomi> Hell, got already an headache with this, I guess this isn't for me then.
[11:57] <tomi> Thanks for answering me.
[11:59] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: I did that, but got the same fscking error message :P
[11:59] <uniq> far^side|laptop: ok, and what was the error message? 
[12:00] <uniq> nevermind. 
[12:00] <uniq> proc thing. 
[12:01] <Far^Side|laptop> uniq: ok?