[12:01] pitti: which ones do you want updates on? patches are now in ssh, dpkg, manoj is updating pam to 0.79, reviewing the 50 debian patches that 0.76 carries :) [12:01] ajmitch: hey, that sounds pretty good [12:01] ajmitch: however, IIRC there were more (logcheck and so on) [12:01] so we'll probably use 0.79 synced from debian, since manoj will get it in there [12:02] logrotate? [12:02] sorry all, i dont mean to be angry, it is early in the morning and ive been fighting with this all night [12:02] and i dont understand why what works on debian doesnt work on ubuntu [12:02] heh [12:03] cartel_, because sarge released after hoary... [12:03] cartel_, so the fix is in there, but not in hoary .... [12:03] hoary is checkpointed against sid not sarge isnt it [12:03] pitti: sorry, logrotate should be built, just needs 1 change to the rules file to turn on the selinux support [12:04] or do you take sarge and try and merge in lots of stuff from sid (suicide) [12:04] cartel_, nope [12:05] cartel_, but sarge recieved bugfixes after hoary was released [12:05] cartel_: the split package was in experimental until 6th June, but had been in hoary. the bug was fixed on the 17th [12:05] too much double handling if you ask me [12:06] ?? [12:07] cartel_, the fix was discovered after hoary was released and already is in breezy, where is the double handling... [12:08] the double handling is in divergent branches [12:08] since ubuntu is effectively a branch of sarge as you say [12:09] much work wasted on people merging others patches [12:09] cartel_: the debian & ubuntu maintainer is the same person [12:09] ian was right you make life difficult for yourselves [12:09] cartel_, when did i say _that_ ? [12:09] cartel_, you said that [12:09] night everybody [12:10] pitti: night [12:10] 'night pitti [12:10] night pitti [12:10] cartel_, ubuntu is a snapshot of sid, gets constantly updated until we freeze to stabilize [12:10] you're trying to take sid and stabilise it, not even 1000 dds can do that so how can ~50 ubuntu people do it [12:10] cartel_: can you please take it down a notch [12:11] cartel_: we aim to stabilize a very small portion of sid [12:11] tseng: huh? [12:11] cartel_: "universe" is best effort [12:11] because ubuntu freezes, sid doesn't [12:11] huh? we spend our lives on this stuff and you are coming of as very critical without much understanding [12:12] id just prefer you ask w/o the tone that you know we are doomed [12:12] tseng: im saying you are making life difficult for yourselves [12:12] you know [12:12] ok [12:12] its largely automatic, actually [12:12] until there is a bug [12:13] yes, non-critical bugs in released products dont get fixed [12:13] you are right [12:13] then you have to wait 6 months for it to get fixed in $(debian_version)+1 [12:13] cartel_, we can do it with (actually less then 30 ppl) because we have a sensible software selection for main [12:13] debatable [12:13] cartel_: universe is unsupported [12:14] cartel_, MOTU who cares for universe just starts to exist [12:14] and everything outside of a tiny enduser focus is ignored [12:14] cartel_, in hoary 10 ppl cared for 15000 universe packages... [12:14] $ apt-cache show ssh-krb5 | grep Section [12:14] Section: universe/net [12:14] cartel_, so there i admit that we might have lots of bugs left [12:14] this is a community maintained package [12:15] if no one in debian or ubuntu fixes the bug within the 6 month cycle [12:15] tseng we have gone far past ssh-krb5 [12:15] you are quite right, it has to wait [12:15] im making it into an example [12:15] cartel_, which should change with every additional MOTU [12:15] you are free to care for that package [12:15] i thought about becoming a motu [12:15] and? [12:15] cartel_, go ahead... [12:15] but then i realised its better for me to put my work into debian [12:15] we are very nice when you dont put us on defense :) [12:15] and have a trickle down [12:16] im sorry guys [12:16] cartel_, who says your work doesnt go into debian [12:16] ive just been fighting this prob all night [12:16] cartel_: fixes go both ways all the time [12:16] well, you didnt find it while we were working on hoary for 6 months [12:16] trying to show my clients how good ubuntu is for a desktop [12:16] so we didnt have a chance to fix it === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] it just wont talk to their ads realm properly [12:17] when their 6 woody/sarge boxes dont have issue [12:17] cartel_: send a bug if you want an issue fixed, that works like that for every distro [12:17] perhaps you can understand this small frustration [12:18] i dont mean to take it out on you all [12:18] bugs happens? right [12:18] i genuinely love (k)ubuntu [12:18] point them so they can be fixed [12:18] but when stuff doesnt work that is trivial in debian i get upset [12:18] 10am now, and been up all night? [12:18] cartel_: Debian has bugs too ... [12:18] ajmitch: i gave up at 11pm and im back at it at 8:30 [12:19] cartel_: and if Debian fixes an issue it gets fixed for Ubuntu too [12:19] ajmitch: thought a sleep on it would help [12:19] seb128, that bug was fixed some weeks ago [12:19] seb128, its just not fixed in hoary unoverse [12:20] but that ssh-krb5 was just the straw on the camels back [12:20] universe [12:20] cartel_: sleep usually does help [12:20] i apologise for putting you all on defense [12:20] you are all doing a great job [12:20] commendable effort === sebest [~chatzilla@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] i hope improvements to desktop experience gained through ubuntus work flow back to debian too [12:23] lifeless: do you know why kexi is dep-wait on mysql-dev when it's build-dep is mysql12-dev? [12:23] cartel_, sure... seb128 maintains them in both worlds....the only prob are the different release schedules and debians longer stabilizing time here.... so its likely to be outdated, since they support 11 arches and we only 3 and they have a way bigger main component [12:23] Riddell: nope. You do know that I am not in the distro team ? [12:24] lifeless: i think he confused you with infinity :) [12:24] tseng: could be ;) [12:24] heh... hard to confuse these two [12:24] Riddell: but ask me about version control foo ;0 [12:24] now i am going to go and make a green tea to calm my nerve :) [12:24] :) [12:25] man, all these abstract IRC nicks [12:25] infinity: do you know why kexi is dep-wait on mysql-dev when it's build-dep is mysql12-dev? [12:25] *g* [12:26] abstact? [12:26] +r [12:27] question [12:27] why did ubuntu opt for bugzilla over debian bts? [12:27] when reportbug is so convenient? [12:27] i know you are transitioning to malone [12:27] once it reaches OnePointZero [12:28] cartel_: bugzilla is much better than the BTS imho [12:28] but in the interim? [12:28] seb128++ [12:28] you think? [12:28] from maintainer perspective or user perspective? [12:28] cartel_: I use both a lot [12:28] both [12:28] really? [12:29] you have not Cc: on a bug with the BTS [12:29] that is trivial to implement [12:29] ou have no search, which makes search for a duplicate ... hum ... long [12:29] but bts shows you bugs when you do a reportbug [12:29] a lot of users like to use a webform than the BTS has not [12:29] you can see if there is a dupe before you file [12:29] really? [12:29] sure [12:29] i hates the webform [12:30] people are not happy to use the command line ... [12:30] who is this people? [12:30] and sending a bug to submit@b.d.o is not trivial [12:30] lusers? [12:30] users [12:30] cartel_, my mother [12:30] ic... [12:30] cartel_: anybody than you can put on front of a desktop and which is not a computer guy [12:30] <\sh> ogra: greetings to your mother :) [12:30] well bugzilla does not collect the information bts does like installed dependency versions [12:31] s/bts/reportbug [12:31] at least not automatically [12:31] which makes life as a maintainer more difficult [12:31] cartel_: not, but have a some bug-buddy hack for this [12:31] s/a// [12:31] ok [12:31] elmo: is us.archive permanently gone? [12:32] whate does a "c2" means in the package name ? [12:32] gcc4? [12:32] correct [12:32] crap [12:32] nope g++4 [12:32] because gcc4 reject what i'm building [12:32] from the sounds of it i must be one of fthe few who prefer bts to bugzilla [12:32] ;) [12:32] change in c++ ABI for g++ 3.4/4.0 [12:32] -f [12:32] yesh g++4 [12:32] it is wxWin :-/ [12:32] cartel_: just because of the mail command? [12:33] hub: is there a problem? [12:33] hub we get 2.6 soon [12:33] seb128: i expect reportbug to connect to bugzilla but it doesnt === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-70-19-99-238.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] seb128: i am debian since hamm :) [12:33] ajmitch: building the program I'm trying to package, yes [12:34] cartel_: you are not forced to like the BTS if you use Debian you know .. [12:34] hub: aha :) [12:34] seb128: but i am used to it [12:34] ajmitch: and I build in Breezy :-/ [12:34] hub: broken/non-compliant source then? [12:34] ajmitch: as far as I know, it is not an error [12:34] ajmitch: but who knows [12:35] <\sh> hub: something was with wxwin [12:36] was ? [12:36] so I should wait for wxWin2.6 ? [12:37] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//CxxLibraryList [12:37] <\sh> and search for wxwindows2.4 [12:37] <\sh> it's already build for g++4 [12:38] <\sh> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10826 [12:38] <\sh> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/w/wxwindows2.4/ i think [12:38] <\sh> if this is it what you want [12:39] sh: I have it [12:39] ii libwxgtk2.4c2 2.4.3.1ubuntu2 wxWindows Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (GTK+ runtime) [12:40] I got an answer [12:40] I have to fix the codef i'm building [12:40] <\sh> hub: helped? === herzi [~herzi@dsl-084-056-232-034.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] trying to rebuild === lakin [~lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] to see where the link error occurs [12:42] <\sh> hub: but this is what you wanted [12:42] what ? the packages ? I had them already [12:42] it is not a package problem. It is a gcc4 problem [12:42] or source code [12:43] whichever is your point of view :-/ [12:43] I have to patch [12:43] <\sh> ah ok [12:47] and my machine is slow [12:48] thanks I don't build on the laptop === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:48] <\sh> hub: i do :) [12:49] but your laptop is probably faster than mine [12:50] <\sh> dunno :) [12:50] Is there ro access to revision controlled Ubuntu versions of packages? [12:50] sh: Powerbook G3/400 [12:51] I would like to suggest a few changes, and would prefer to submit them to the maintainer in patch format. [12:51] I'm wondering if you keep a central repository? [12:53] karlheg: other than the source package repositories, not yet. that will be changing pretty soon, though. [12:55] baz or tla, I hope? [01:00] I've just begun to learn to use 'xtla', in GNU Emacs. It's a very nicely done interface to 'tla'. I don't know if it works with 'baz'; I've just begun learning about them. [01:04] hmm, wikipage says winbind in ubuntu hoary is 3.0.14 but i dont have it [01:04] i have 3.0.10 [01:05] oh, its in breezy [01:05] crap i dont want to use breezy [01:07] cartel_, recompile the package, apt-get {build-dep,source -b} is your friend [01:07] ogra: thats what im doing ;) [01:10] ogra: but once again it is a pain to not update hoary with bugfixes [01:10] cartel_, debian does the same [01:11] only security and dataloss fixes [01:11] ogra: i know [01:11] ogra: it pisses me off actually [01:12] ogra: at least in debian you can subscribe to proposed-updates [01:12] cartel_: not that proposed-update is any good [01:12] it's either crack or 'security and dataloss fixes' [01:12] Wow, xtla makes pcl-cvs look like a toy. [01:13] something should be done [01:13] create a bugfix team ;) [01:14] cartel_, we actually think about a backports team... so you can use these from a controlled source [01:14] cartel_: "something" is called "6-month release cycle" [01:15] azeem: 6 months with broken functionality not good [01:15] azeem: sorry client that doesnt work. wait 6 months [01:15] and it MAY work [01:15] cartel_: is that a package in main? [01:15] azeem: its a package which is in main and has a component in universe [01:16] azeem: which will get promoted to main for breezy === jlj [~agp@AMontpellier-152-1-27-15.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] cartel_: so it should work then :) [01:16] azeem: but it doesnt :) [01:16] or else keep helping on it till it rocks [01:16] azeem: because hoary froze before the bugfix was in [01:16] cartel_, these are two different source packages [01:17] ogra: no they arent [01:17] openssh-krb5 and openssh [01:17] cartel_: I mean for breezy [01:17] ogra: not talking about that any more [01:17] ogra: on to samba :) [01:17] azeem: fixed in breezy [01:17] jdub, ping [01:17] cool! [01:18] Burgundavia: pong [01:18] yo azeem [01:18] azeem: good summary :) [01:19] jdub, there wasa 3.0 mockup on d-d, which a change menu. Do you have that link? [01:19] jdub: I tried to pass it by mako, but he was on a plane or something :-/ [01:19] hey azeem [01:19] hey andrew [01:22] jdub, nev mind [01:26] jdub: so if you think there's errors or omissions, please let me know :) === jnc [~erisha@c-67-184-244-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Baby [~nena@baby.kavi.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HrdwrBoB [~matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === diarrhoe [~Cauchy@p54BD2381.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] gcc4 piss me off [02:17] I can't package this software on breezy [02:18] just Build-Depend on gcc-3.4 :) [02:19] azeem: but the C++ it link against ? [02:19] wxwin [02:19] oh... [02:19] boost [02:19] that's why I have to rebuild it [02:21] it got de-installed by the whole upgrade [02:21] so I'm trying to make a clean packaging === bur[n] er [~norml@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jnc [~erisha@c-67-184-244-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ydo_ [tbe@debian.as] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jnc [~erisha@c-67-184-244-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jnc [~erisha@c-67-184-244-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [~bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMo_ [~slomo@p5487EB57.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jnc [~erisha@c-67-184-244-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [~anthony@ekorp-203-63-137-225.eoff.ekorp.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _Legion_ [~adebarbar@labi.fi.uba.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bskahan [~bskahan@pool-70-19-99-238.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jnc_ [~erisha@c-67-184-244-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:02] Anyone home? [04:03] yahoo === cartel_ patches ActiveDirectoryWinbindHowto with his finding [04:04] cartel_: Do you know another mirror for Breezy? [04:05] bddebian: nz.archive.ubuntu.org? === rcliii [~rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:06] should i tell users how to build/install samba from breezy for hoary in the wiki? [04:06] or is that considered harmful? [04:07] ogra? anyone? [04:08] wtf [04:08] weird wiki syntax [04:17] cartel_ : Encouraging users to backport packages themselves is considered harmful, yes, because they lose security updates. [04:18] infinity: well the wiki has broken info as it stands, reccomending them to install the package from breezy, but providing no instructions [04:18] cartel_ : And samba has had its fair share of security problems over the years. Leaving users vulnerable is not nice. [04:18] infinity: but they ARE vulnerable. we're still running 3.0.10 in hoary [04:19] Vulnerable to...? [04:20] bugs? ;) [04:21] i thought there was another security issue between 3.0.10 and 3.0.14 but evidently not [04:22] If there's a security vuln, we'll backport the patch to 3.0.10. [04:22] interesting... ibm guys commiting to samba [04:22] But if users have 3.0.14a installed, they won't get the update. [04:22] Which sucks. [04:22] infinity: ouch [04:23] infinity: as it stands you cant auth to win2003 sp1 with versions <3.0.14a [04:23] If you want to make that VERY clear in those directions, then fine. [04:23] as you say it will cause more problems than it fixes [04:23] If you can find me a patch to apply to 3.0.10 to fix the specific bug and none other, I may be able to push it unto hoary-updates. [04:24] i will need to trawl through the svn history [04:24] But telling users (many of whom dont' really think of the consequences) to install unsupported packages can be catastrophic. [04:24] There have been many worms in the past that spread through vulnerable samba installations, so it's not just hand waving on my part. [04:27] fair enough [04:27] those poor users :p === zenrox [~zenrox@71.115.192.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [~stub@203-217-37-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stuNNed [~implosion@stunned.user] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:17] tseng: http://kirby.insanegenius.net/postfix.html [05:20] kirby looking for dox on postfix? === jlj [~agp@AMontpellier-152-1-27-15.w81-251.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:23] okay, found a gcc4 bug [05:24] join the club :) [05:24] yep [05:25] hugin chokes on an inlined virtual destructor [05:25] putting it in the .cpp works :-/ [05:32] but now the stupid debian packager believe this is a debian native [05:32] bah [05:36] who's the person who packaged it? === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [~lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:50] bob2: me [05:50] bob2: it si not an ubuntu package [05:51] bob2: I was talking about the software, not the person :-) [05:52] but I probably messed up [05:53] do you know the difference between native and non-native? [05:54] yeah [05:54] but I probably messed up in creating the package [05:54] because I did re-extract the tarball and did put my debian in it [05:54] :-/ [05:55] so he probably believes it came with [05:55] why did you do that? [05:55] because I messed up with the previous tarball while attempting to fix the gcc4 problem [05:56] I'll try a third time [06:06] ok [06:06] should work this time [06:19] now I need to apply to be a MOTU [06:24] you might want to poeple in #ubuntu-motu [06:30] I was reading the wiki === HrdwrBoB [~matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [~ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rjo [~jordens@rjo.developer.debian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [~JaneW@nnwc-ip-nas-1-p316.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:55] JaneW, hi [07:56] ooppss brb === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Echylo [~echylo@179-168.245.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JaneW [~JaneW@nnwc-ip-nas-1-p453.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ups [~ups@203.200.160.51] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [~pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:35] Morning folks [08:38] morning pitti [08:38] Hey JaneW === ikuyaLoqu [~ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [foobar@td9091aea.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] morning === herzi [~herzi@195.20.225.146] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink [~martin@195.20.225.146] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [~egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nohero [~nohero@83.147.84.195] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nohero [~nohero@83.147.84.195] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Sto] === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [~lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:21] Hi dholbach [09:22] I'm looking at the udu.wiki and am wondering what does "BOF" stand for? (dictd says "Birds of a Feather") [09:22] it means brainstorming session [09:22] yeah === dummy_ [~ups@203.200.160.53] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:24] hey pitti [09:24] morning all [09:24] hey mvo :) [09:24] hey dholbach! === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] karlheg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BOFs :) [09:30] hi dholbach [09:31] jdub: hey jeff! how are you? [09:31] ok [09:31] how's your thesis going? [09:31] haven't seen you around so much :) [09:31] slowly evolving :) [09:32] and if i find somebody who does my networking code^H^H^Herm ... gives me some input on ... [09:32] in 8 weeks it's over [09:34] the hardest thing for me is staying away from all of you guys === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] heh [09:34] the thesis itself is just fine ;) [09:37] jdub: but the desktop team would better get going, as well as the bugsquad, maybe we could do another ubuntu-love day to recruit people for the teams :) === davyd [~davyd@130.95.117.24] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink [~martin@195.20.225.146] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille thinks #ubuntu-love is most underutilized irc channel in the Ubuntu universe [09:39] yeah that's a decent point === carlos [~carlos@69.Red-80-33-181.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] ok, I might have to do something creative, what is the atheros driver? and does it ship in the Hoary installer? [09:45] rock, we're in the german news (with the breezy bounties): http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/60996 [09:45] davyd: linux-restricted-modules comes with madwifi, the driver for atheros wlan chips === dummy_ is now known as ups [09:46] martink: which isn't in the installer? === davyd suspects he is not going to get a painless install [09:46] oh, the question was about the installer. Sorry. Don't know. === davyd might try netbooting breezy [09:48] otherwise I might have to send a new kernel in my netboot image [09:48] or try to boot off USB === dand [~dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:51] ok, perhaps breezy ships the same kernel [09:56] also, the hoary installer segfaults if you plug in a usb device [09:57] breezy has a 2.6.12 kernel but not in theinstaller yet i think [09:57] yeah [09:57] why not install hoary and l-r-m post-install ? === seb128 [~seb128@ANancy-151-1-28-182.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:59] hey seb128 [10:00] daniel :))) [10:00] Hi seb128! [10:00] hey pitti [10:00] seb128: I got the gdm error this morning, and I do have xterm installed [10:00] Lathiat: first I have to install hoary [10:01] pitti: I've just fixed that and the autologin [10:01] before IRCing [10:01] I suppose I can install the first stage === GNULinuxer [~ghoseb@59.95.0.188] has joined #ubuntu-devel === davyd ponders a PCMCIA card [10:01] pitti: that's not really an error, the upstream stuff tries to start Xclients, then xsm (which is this ugly stuff) [10:02] pitti: the Debian package has a change to that, I've zapped it when switching to cdbs, that's fixed now [10:02] cool === kamstrup [~kamstrup@0x3e42da90.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [~scott@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:04] davyd: why cant you just install? [10:05] Lathiat: I can do the first stage install === hunger [~hunger@p54A64C63.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:05] davyd: so why arent you?:) [10:06] then I might be able to use usb2 prism [10:06] davyd: whats theproblem of just doing a whole hoary install? [10:07] Lathiat: no packages to do it with [10:07] hmm [10:07] back to square one, I still need packages [10:07] why dont you just get the iso [10:07] Lathiat: no CD-Rom [10:07] because your going to download it all anyway [10:07] ohhhh [10:07] now it makes sense [10:07] get the iso [10:07] mount loopback on your desktop [10:07] Lathiat: and USB devices crash it [10:07] and network install [10:07] (thats what i do) [10:07] oh, no network [10:07] hah [10:07] Lathiat: no network drivers === Lathiat laughs [10:07] davyd: are you going to have a windows partition? [10:07] I'm not 100% an idiot [10:07] Lathiat: yes [10:08] davyd: put the iso on your windows partition and use expert mode and load the iso loopback off your windows partition [10:08] you're suggesting I loopback mount that? [10:08] (the installer has a mode for it, its not even hacky) [10:10] are you sure this is something you can do? [10:10] i feel dirty, im using kde === niran [~niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:11] pitti: have you planned to review libmpc this week? [10:12] I can do that today if it's urgent [10:12] Is there a list of changes ubuntu did to vanilla gnome? [10:15] pitti: no hurry, we just can sync with Debian when this is ok [10:15] pitti: but sync next week is fine too :) [10:16]