=== karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:58] evening all [01:59] salut [01:59] patch just went to the mailing list [01:59] not from me [01:59] just downloaded it now [02:00] will check it out [02:00] i think its from Njal [02:01] more of my crazy ideas up on planet.ubuntu.com [02:01] ok [02:02] that patch is strange [02:07] he has changed the title of the book ;) [02:08] and uses ":p" [02:10] more a chatty style [02:11] might rub some people wrong [02:11] Don't apply the patch in my opinion. [02:11] I wouldn't [02:11] i won't [02:11] but he wanted feedback so I will write to the list [02:12] something jeffsch was saying earlier today made me think about style [02:12] he posted the gnome guide to writing so that things can be easily translated [02:12] it gave lots of good advice [02:53] is the faq guide suppose to align with ubuntuguide.org or are we free to make whatever changes/additions as we see fit? [02:55] ubuntuguide.org will eventually pull out of our repo [02:55] so change the faq as you see fit [02:55] ++ [02:55] ok good thanks [02:55] we will need to work on it a LOT if its gonna ship [02:56] yes [02:56] yeah.. well it needs to work in yelp atleast [02:56] lots of unofficial and dodgy things will have to go [02:56] yes [02:56] rob^, no, that's not one of the things ;) [02:56] hah [02:57] rob^, we will discuss it at the next meeting, but maybe we'll ship our docs in html, in which case yelp will support it [02:57] yeah [02:58] is it normal, when I use xmlto to check it, for there to be Ubuntukubuntu each time it is written etc [02:58] yeah that will be discussed at the meeting too [02:58] ok good [02:58] when Sean wrote it, he intended to profile it for ubuntu and kubuntu [02:58] thats what I thought [02:58] we will be deciding whether to continue with that [02:58] good good.. [03:00] ok i'm for bed [03:00] night all [03:00] night === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:58] jeffsch! [03:58] oh hes out === robitaille [~daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [~rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:11] hi === rob^ [~rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [~seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:31] jsgotangco! [08:32] jeffsch! [08:33] you called? [08:33] i did but i forgot what i was about to ask [08:33] that's ok. i forgot what i was about to answer [08:33] gyaahhh [08:34] oh wait [08:34] you're here might as well ask you the best time to set a meeting again [08:34] im putting styleguide on top of the agenda [08:34] 12UTC might be too much for you [08:35] 14UTC would be ok [08:36] what time is that on your side? [08:36] i'm at -0700 [08:36] it would be 7am [08:37] where is that in canada? [08:38] vancouver [08:38] west coast [08:38] say i wanna ask you something [08:38] if its ok with you (its not ubuntu related) [08:38] i wanna answer [08:39] i'll pm [08:39] ok [08:47] hey jeffsch, i just tagged Kubuntu Quick Guide "for review" [08:47] heh [08:47] its like 95% done [08:48] (just need to export an html preview of it) [08:48] cool [08:49] we should put previews on the meeting agenda [08:49] yeah [08:49] and clean up the status ids of docs [08:50] yeah. there's a lot of administrative stuff that needs doing [08:50] bureaucracy [08:50] haha === froud [~sean@ndn-165-139-210.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:56] African Greetings [08:57] salut [08:57] salut [08:59] froud, i just tagged kubuntu quickguide as for review [08:59] (not sure if there is still anything to add on that book at the moment) [09:00] jsgotangco: I saw a few sections that need text [09:00] hmmm i missed some more? === jsgotangco thought he got it covered last night [09:01] dunno you mean you wrote it already, last night [09:01] i did [09:01] its just two lines and two screenshots [09:02] ah cook be I have not goten to that, last night I just saw th emissing bits. perhaps you already fixed it while I was asleep [09:02] yeah i committed them earlier today [09:02] oohhh esvn looks awesome in Ion [09:03] lon? [09:03] its a wm similar to ratpoison [09:04] Ah, cool [09:04] yeah, 0.7.0 is gonna be a really cool release [09:05] did anyone test those make targets [09:05] cant figure out why the pictures dont work [09:05] i did [09:05] yeah [09:06] all the paths are correct but when I transform the path passed to the html is changed [09:06] cant figure out why this changes [09:06] guess I will have to ask on docbook-apps today [09:07] kak, Hmmm, ppl have vivid imaginations :-) [09:07] heh [09:09] i thought of this crazy idea, but i nevermind [09:09] ok you got me interested, what is it? [09:10] i was thinking of the qanda sets [09:10] but i remembered its silly to ship both formats [09:11] (but then who shipped about ubuntu in html in the 1st place) [09:11] hmmm no idea what you're talking about [09:12] heh like i said nvm [09:12] :D [09:12] about ubuntu had to open in FF from System menu [09:12] ok [09:16] do you have a crazy idea today [09:17] morning campers [09:17] crazy day, no [09:17] mdke, hi [09:17] morn mdke === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:18] jsgotangco: dont feel like working today, perhaps go do shopping, catch a movie, go for long lunch somewhere [09:18] nice [09:19] mdke: did you, by chance, test the new make targets for kde [09:19] haven't done yet [09:19] ok [09:20] can do if you like [09:20] is there a make all for everything? [09:20] i wish i can do that today [09:20] problem is, I guess I'm gonna have to manually edit paths again in some stuff [09:20] would be nice, they work here, except of images, but will they work on another box. should? [09:20] (shopping, movie, long lunch) [09:21] jsgotangco: yep good to enjoy life [09:21] froud, i am going to oxford today, so probably won't have time to do the editing of the docbook paths [09:21] need to get on the road ASAP [09:21] hmm ok, if you see hendrik pls ask him about the docteam.u.c [09:21] lol [09:21] no plans to see him [09:22] if I bump into him I will ;) [09:22] jeffsch: ping [09:23] jeffsch: see you made styleguide output build to build/ Thanks dude [09:23] go jeffsch! [09:24] go where? :) [09:24] jeffsch: I have a bug on the make targets [09:25] ok [09:25] jeffsch: if you have time take a look and see [09:25] the images thing? [09:25] I cant figure it out [09:25] yeah [09:25] the path is being out to images/ instead of ../../images [09:25] now that you mention it, i had the same problem about a month ago [09:25] and [09:26] is it a stylesheet bug [09:26] i can't remember the details === karlheg [~karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:26] but i didn't solve it :( [09:26] hmm [09:26] at the time, i though it was due to my lack of knowledge [09:26] well take a look see [09:27] if you have ideas let me know [09:27] yeah i will... tomorrow though [09:27] or actually, later on today :) it'sjust after midnight... [09:28] cool [09:28] jeffsch: note that the xsl custom later for kde is in kde/libs [09:29] ok [09:29] strange thing because the nav and admin graphics do show [09:30] jsgotangco: I marked several sections in kwick guide complete [09:30] you want them at awaiting review? [09:31] well if it passes on your standard, i guess the other sections are complete then [09:31] leave them review for now [09:32] yeah we could release the doc for hoary if its complete then do a rework on some stuff to breezy-fy it [09:32] yes you're right [09:32] (the last kubuntu kde update had new entries) [09:33] what 3.4.1 [09:34] yeah [09:34] it even moved some stuff [09:38] ok i sleep now. c ya [09:39] night jeffsch [09:44] jdub, can you push through that docteam meeting summary email on ubuntu-news? [09:45] oh right [09:46] jdub, also, about that email on the upstream doc /packaging... [09:47] nice point jsgotangco, jdub owes us an email! [09:49] ok i'm off [09:49] back sunday prob [09:49] have fun! [09:49] byeee... [10:00] ION ROCKS === froud [~froud@ndn-165-139-210.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:28] jeffsch: ping === jsgotangco [~jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:30] strange thing [10:30] eh? [10:30] when I run the make targets on my suse box the images work [10:31] when I do it on ubuntu, they don't [10:31] that is strange [10:31] i will try in my wc [10:31] jsgotangco: what is your version onumber of docbook xsl [10:32] let me check [10:32] my suse boxes is running 1.65.1 [10:32] im running 1.66.1.-1 [10:32] Hmm that's the one installed with hoary [10:33] Bug? [10:33] in stylesheets [10:33] or the xsl's in hoary are borked [10:36] hmm it just makes a list of images in a text file [10:39] hmm i also noticed the xref link to the xml was passed on to the html [10:39] images file in not important [10:40] what path do you get in the html [10:40] for the images? [10:40] yes [10:41] give me a sec [10:41] Remote Places

[10:41] yes same here, but that is wrong [10:42] it should be Remote Places

[10:42] hmm the images are exported [10:42] as per the xml xref source [10:42] yeah [10:42] ../../ [10:42] yes, I copy the images [10:42] nah this is a bug in 1.66.1-1 [10:44] oh adi sent an email [10:44] to the list === mpt [mpt@210-55-36-163.dialup.xtra.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:31] froud, new make file? [11:31] huh? [11:31] see trunk/kde [11:32] jsgotangco: btw do you have computer dictionary installed [11:33] http://computerdictionary.tsf.org.za/dictionary/packages/computerdictionary_1.0-1_all.deb [11:34] jsgotangco: ? [11:35] would be nice if you could test it on the installation guide [11:35] if you can install it and then run make kin from kde/ [11:36] in the output you should have a glossary section automatically populated [11:38] jsgotangco: ping [11:38] can you test it [11:55] wait [11:55] sorry [11:55] hold on [11:55] i was teaching someone to use mediawiki === froud grabs his keyboard and hold on for dear life [11:55] what mediawiki? [11:56] no you said hold on [11:56] so I am doing just that [11:56] teasing [11:56] ok downloading [11:56] where does this deb file install? [11:57] here /usr/share/computerdictionary/ [11:58] ok give me a minute, our dsl here is crappy [11:58] np [11:58] while it downloads take a look at generic/instalguide/C/installation-guide.xml [11:59] Look at end of xml file for [11:59] ok let me svn up first [11:59] [11:59] [11:59] Dummy [11:59] [11:59] Now you see me, next you won't. [11:59] [11:59] [11:59] [12:00] me copies that in kquickguide [12:01] ok, but see installation-guide.xml for examples of how to markup glossterms [12:01] broadcasts to the network for a linkend="D-d0e6764">DHCP server and waits for a response. [12:02] without glossterms you have no entries in the glossary [12:02] ok what do i do next make kqg? === jsgotangco do make kqg === jsgotangco tweedle dee tweedle dum [12:04] um me thinks you should try kin [12:04] hmm all? [12:04] I did not see glossterms in kqg [12:04] i put a dummy just now [12:05] yes but you must have glossterms in the doc [12:05] otherwise ithas nothing to add [12:05] how would i know if a keyword is in the dictionary [12:05] you check the dictionary src [12:06] ahh [12:06] ok i'll make kin now [12:06] oneday I will write a naviagtion tool for the dictionary [12:07] but for now its a case of searching the hardway [12:07] :-) [12:07] this is an example of a vendor drop right? [12:07] not quite, its a build dependancy === jsgotangco checks out the output [12:10] OMG that is awesome [12:10] so it works for you. good stuff [12:11] hmm [12:11] wait a minute [12:11] i see the glossary [12:11] but where are the links to these keywords? [12:12] how do you mean? [12:12] ok Glossary has "DHCP" [12:12] i was hoping any word that said "DHCP" in the book has a link to the glossary [12:13] Umm there should be a link on one [12:14] # [12:14] Your network does not use a DHCP server. [12:14] # [12:14] no link on the DHCP word [12:14] hold lemme see [12:14] chapter 7 [12:23] Ah ha, yes, I will fix that [12:23] what was wrong? [12:23] hold must fix and see [12:24] glossterms are awesome if we ship in html [12:24] very helpful saves you having to explain things like DHCP, DNS etc [12:24] yeah [12:29] hmmm [12:29] ? [12:29] the parameter settings are correct, so why is it not linking [12:30] hmmm [12:30] does it work in your suse? [12:30] no [12:30] not the links [12:31] so the word "DHCP" should link to the glossterm at the end right [12:31] yes, it can do that on the first occurance or all [12:31] I have set it to do so on first occurance only [12:31] hmm [12:32] question though [12:32] does yelp recognize glossterms? [12:32] no [12:32] (on xml that is) [12:32] ahh [12:32] i guessed right then [12:32] :-) === jsgotangco curses yelp weakness [12:33] its funny though, the system images appear but not the screenshots [12:34] froud, [12:34] yes [12:34] [12:34] D-dnnnnn is from the D.xml right [12:34] yeah [12:35] ok i will study it then [12:35] so when you do make kin [12:36] the xsl looks into /usr/share/computerdictonary? [12:36] and lifts appropriate entries at the bottom [12:37] yes [12:37] so glossary terms can be managed in a single place [12:38] and glossary sections can be auto generated [12:38] but that would also mean that everyone of us need to have the same glossary [12:38] to be able to use it [12:38] yes, I used computerdictionary as a build dependancy [12:38] ahh right [12:38] oh well this is interesting.. [12:38] it will not crash if not found [12:39] if its not found, then there is no glossary entry in the html right? [12:39] Hmmm it is linking my side [12:39] right [12:39] ahh [12:39] oh well too bad i gotta run for dinner [12:39] but the section glossary is built [12:39] will try to come back later [12:39] ok [12:39] right [12:39] section glossary but no entries [12:40] ye [12:40] great [12:40] see ya === rob^ [~rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === _froud_ [~froud@ndn-165-139-210.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [~ealden@ipdial-191-183.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Njal [~chatzilla@dsl-80-45-170-146.access.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:51] lo [01:51] <_froud_> hi === _froud_ is now known as froud [01:52] hows everyone [01:52] I am OK, dunno about the others [01:52] oh well [01:53] and you? [01:53] Gota damn cold it's height of the summer and i have a cold [01:54] he he, winter here and I just got over the flue [01:54] Where you live? [01:54] co.za [01:55] Johannesburg, South Africa [01:55] Ah, York, England [01:57] Who are the mods for the list? [01:57] no mods [01:58] who looks and the material then? [01:58] at [01:59] which material? [02:00] you mean mailing list? [02:00] yes [02:01] Mmmm there are some people who are mailing list mods, but who I dont know. I dont get much into that stuff [02:01] why, is there a problem? [02:03] I just submitted something and i was told via automated email a mod had to approve it [02:04] Ah yeah an attached file [02:04] sometimes they get stuck [02:04] Yes, i was just wondering what the status was, since everytime i svt up the file isn't updated [02:04] send a message to the list without attachment and ask them to release it [02:05] Ask them to add the file to the repo? [02:05] Uhm I think mdke had some comments if you have fixed them they resubmit [02:05] did you read matthews comments? [02:07] I don't understand what you mean by if you have fixed them they resubmit [02:07] was it you who submitted a patch yesterday? [02:08] userguide.xml(revision 1216) [02:08] that's the one [02:08] OK, Matthew reviewed it and gave comments. [02:08] I havn't seen them [02:08] Where can i access these comments [02:08] sec [02:09] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.doc/ [02:10] ok [02:10] thank you [02:10] np [02:12] Hmm i better change my typing style :p [02:12] writing style, yes [02:13] Im one of these people that try to make it as light as possible, i blame the ...for dummies series of book i always read if i need to learn something new [02:14] he he [02:14] try a neutral posture when writing [02:14] I will [02:14] It's learning the teretory really [02:15] yeah, not a big issue, dont be offended by it [02:15] Im not [02:15] Don't worry [02:15] good [02:25] There's more to be done in this user guide than i first though [02:26] yes, lots to do [02:26] I thought it was almost finished, cool i can get more done [02:26] nice because you can pick and choose your stuff [02:26] yup [02:26] no no lots of rooms for things to do, enjoy ;-) [02:27] Are we going for the whole images in the guide or is it all text? [02:27] you can use images [02:27]