[01:58] <mdke> evening all
[01:59] <Burgundavia> salut
[01:59] <Burgundavia> patch just went to the mailing list
[01:59] <Burgundavia> not from me
[01:59] <mdke> just downloaded it now
[02:00] <mdke> will check it out
[02:00] <mdke> i think its from Njal
[02:01] <Burgundavia> more of my crazy ideas up on planet.ubuntu.com
[02:01] <mdke> ok
[02:02] <mdke> that patch is strange
[02:07] <mdke> he has changed the title of the book ;)
[02:08] <mdke> and uses ":p"
[02:10] <Burgundavia> more a chatty style
[02:11] <Burgundavia> might rub some people wrong
[02:11] <squinn> Don't apply the patch in my opinion.
[02:11] <Burgundavia> I wouldn't
[02:11] <mdke> i won't
[02:11] <mdke> but he wanted feedback so I will write to the list
[02:12] <mdke> something jeffsch was saying earlier today made me think about style
[02:12] <mdke> he posted the gnome guide to writing so that things can be easily translated
[02:12] <mdke> it gave lots of good advice
[02:53] <rob^> is the faq guide suppose to align with ubuntuguide.org or are we free to make whatever changes/additions as we see fit?
[02:55] <Burgundavia> ubuntuguide.org will eventually pull out of our repo
[02:55] <Burgundavia> so change the faq as you see fit
[02:55] <mdke> ++
[02:55] <rob^> ok good thanks
[02:55] <mdke> we will need to work on it a LOT if its gonna ship
[02:56] <Burgundavia> yes
[02:56] <rob^> yeah.. well it needs to work in yelp atleast
[02:56] <mdke> lots of unofficial and dodgy things will have to go
[02:56] <rob^> yes
[02:56] <mdke> rob^, no, that's not one of the things ;)
[02:56] <rob^> hah
[02:57] <mdke> rob^, we will discuss it at the next meeting, but maybe we'll ship our docs in html, in which case yelp will support it
[02:57] <rob^> yeah
[02:58] <rob^> is it normal, when I use xmlto to check it, for there to be Ubuntukubuntu each time it is written etc
[02:58] <mdke> yeah that will be discussed at the meeting too
[02:58] <rob^> ok good
[02:58] <mdke> when Sean wrote it, he intended to profile it for ubuntu and kubuntu
[02:58] <rob^> thats what I thought
[02:58] <mdke> we will be deciding whether to continue with that
[02:58] <rob^> good good..
[03:00] <mdke> ok i'm for bed
[03:00] <mdke> night all
[03:00] <rob^> night
[03:58] <jsgotangco> jeffsch!
[03:58] <jsgotangco> oh hes out
[07:11] <jsgotangco> hi
[08:31] <jeffsch> jsgotangco!
[08:32] <jsgotangco> jeffsch!
[08:33] <jeffsch> you called?
[08:33] <jsgotangco> i did but i forgot what i was about to ask
[08:33] <jeffsch> that's ok. i forgot what i was about to answer
[08:33] <jsgotangco> gyaahhh
[08:34] <jsgotangco> oh wait
[08:34] <jsgotangco> you're here might as well ask you the best time to set a meeting again
[08:34] <jsgotangco> im putting styleguide on top of the agenda
[08:34] <jsgotangco> 12UTC might be too much for you
[08:35] <jeffsch> 14UTC would be ok
[08:36] <jsgotangco> what time is that on your side?
[08:36] <jeffsch> i'm at -0700
[08:36] <jeffsch> it would be 7am
[08:37] <jsgotangco> where is that in canada?
[08:38] <jeffsch> vancouver
[08:38] <jeffsch> west coast
[08:38] <jsgotangco> say i wanna ask you something
[08:38] <jsgotangco> if its ok with you (its not ubuntu related)
[08:38] <jeffsch> i wanna answer
[08:39] <jsgotangco> i'll pm
[08:39] <jeffsch> ok
[08:47] <jsgotangco> hey jeffsch, i just tagged Kubuntu Quick Guide "for review"
[08:47] <jsgotangco> heh
[08:47] <jsgotangco> its like 95% done
[08:48] <jsgotangco> (just need to export an html preview of it)
[08:48] <jeffsch> cool
[08:49] <jeffsch> we should put previews on the meeting agenda
[08:49] <jsgotangco> yeah
[08:49] <jsgotangco> and clean up the status ids of docs
[08:50] <jeffsch> yeah. there's a lot of administrative stuff that needs doing
[08:50] <jeffsch> bureaucracy
[08:50] <jsgotangco> haha
[08:56] <froud> African Greetings
[08:57] <Burgundavia> salut
[08:57] <jsgotangco> salut
[08:59] <jsgotangco> froud, i just tagged kubuntu quickguide as for review
[08:59] <jsgotangco> (not sure if there is still anything to add on that book at the moment)
[09:00] <froud> jsgotangco: I saw a few sections that need text
[09:00] <jsgotangco> hmmm i missed some more?
[09:01] <froud> dunno you mean you wrote it already, last night
[09:01] <jsgotangco> i did
[09:01] <jsgotangco> its just two lines and two screenshots
[09:02] <froud> ah cook be I have not goten to that, last night I just saw th emissing bits. perhaps you already fixed it while I was asleep
[09:02] <jsgotangco> yeah i committed them earlier today
[09:02] <jsgotangco> oohhh esvn looks awesome in Ion
[09:03] <froud> lon?
[09:03] <jsgotangco> its a wm similar to ratpoison
[09:04] <froud> Ah, cool
[09:04] <froud> yeah, 0.7.0 is gonna be a really cool release
[09:05] <froud> did anyone test those make targets
[09:05] <froud> cant figure out why the pictures dont work
[09:05] <jsgotangco> i did
[09:05] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:06] <froud> all the paths are correct but when I transform the path passed to the html is changed
[09:06] <froud> cant figure out why this changes
[09:06] <froud> guess I will have to ask on docbook-apps today
[09:07] <froud> kak, Hmmm, ppl have vivid imaginations :-)
[09:07] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:09] <jsgotangco> i thought of this crazy idea, but i nevermind
[09:09] <froud> ok you got me interested, what is it?
[09:10] <jsgotangco> i was thinking of the qanda sets
[09:10] <jsgotangco> but i remembered its silly to ship both formats
[09:11] <jsgotangco> (but then who shipped about ubuntu in html in the 1st place)
[09:11] <froud> hmmm no idea what you're talking about
[09:12] <jsgotangco> heh like i said nvm
[09:12] <jsgotangco> :D
[09:12] <froud> about ubuntu had to open in FF from System menu
[09:12] <froud> ok
[09:16] <jsgotangco> do you have a crazy idea today
[09:17] <mdke> morning campers
[09:17] <froud> crazy day, no
[09:17] <jsgotangco> mdke, hi
[09:17] <froud> morn mdke 
[09:18] <froud> jsgotangco: dont feel like working today, perhaps go do shopping, catch a movie, go for long lunch somewhere
[09:18] <mdke> nice
[09:19] <froud> mdke: did you, by chance, test the new make targets for kde
[09:19] <mdke> haven't done yet
[09:19] <froud> ok
[09:20] <mdke> can do if you like
[09:20] <mdke> is there a make all for everything?
[09:20] <jsgotangco> i wish i can do that today
[09:20] <mdke> problem is, I guess I'm gonna have to manually edit paths again in some stuff
[09:20] <froud> would be nice, they work here, except of images, but will they work on another box. should?
[09:20] <jsgotangco> (shopping, movie, long lunch)
[09:21] <froud> jsgotangco: yep good to enjoy life
[09:21] <mdke> froud, i am going to oxford today, so probably won't have time to do the editing of the docbook paths
[09:21] <mdke> need to get on the road ASAP
[09:21] <froud> hmm ok, if you see hendrik pls ask him about the docteam.u.c
[09:21] <mdke> lol
[09:21] <mdke> no plans to see him
[09:22] <mdke> if I bump into him I will ;)
[09:22] <froud> jeffsch: ping
[09:23] <froud> jeffsch: see you made styleguide output build to build/ Thanks dude
[09:23] <mdke> go jeffsch!
[09:24] <jeffsch> go where? :)
[09:24] <froud> jeffsch: I have a bug on the make targets
[09:25] <jeffsch> ok
[09:25] <froud> jeffsch: if you have time take a look and see
[09:25] <jeffsch> the images thing?
[09:25] <froud> I cant figure it out
[09:25] <froud> yeah
[09:25] <froud> the path is being out to images/ instead of ../../images
[09:25] <jeffsch> now that you mention it, i had the same problem about a month ago
[09:25] <froud> and
[09:26] <froud> is it a stylesheet bug
[09:26] <jeffsch> i can't remember the details
[09:26] <jeffsch> but i didn't solve it :(
[09:26] <froud> hmm
[09:26] <jeffsch> at the time, i though it was due to my lack of knowledge
[09:26] <froud> well take a look see
[09:27] <froud> if you have ideas let me know
[09:27] <jeffsch> yeah i will... tomorrow though
[09:27] <jeffsch> or actually, later on today :) it'sjust after midnight...
[09:28] <froud> cool
[09:28] <froud> jeffsch: note that the xsl custom later for kde is in kde/libs
[09:29] <jeffsch> ok
[09:29] <froud> strange thing because the nav and admin graphics do show
[09:30] <froud> jsgotangco: I marked several sections in kwick guide complete
[09:30] <froud> you want them at awaiting review?
[09:31] <jsgotangco> well if it passes on your standard, i guess the other sections are complete then
[09:31] <froud> leave them review for now
[09:32] <jsgotangco> yeah we could release the doc for hoary if its complete then do a rework on some stuff to breezy-fy it
[09:32] <froud> yes you're right
[09:32] <jsgotangco> (the last kubuntu kde update had new entries)
[09:33] <froud> what 3.4.1
[09:34] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:34] <jsgotangco> it even moved some stuff
[09:38] <jeffsch> ok i sleep now. c ya
[09:39] <mdke> night jeffsch 
[09:44] <mdke> jdub, can you push through that docteam meeting summary email on ubuntu-news?
[09:45] <jsgotangco> oh right
[09:46] <jsgotangco> jdub, also, about that email on the upstream doc /packaging...
[09:47] <mdke> nice point jsgotangco, jdub owes us an email!
[09:49] <mdke> ok i'm off
[09:49] <mdke> back sunday prob
[09:49] <mdke> have fun!
[09:49] <jsgotangco> byeee...
[10:00] <jsgotangco> ION ROCKS
[10:28] <froud> jeffsch: ping
[10:30] <froud> strange thing
[10:30] <jsgotangco> eh?
[10:30] <froud> when I run the make targets on my suse box the images work
[10:31] <froud> when I do it on ubuntu, they don't
[10:31] <jsgotangco> that is strange
[10:31] <jsgotangco> i will try in my wc
[10:31] <froud> jsgotangco: what is your version onumber of docbook xsl
[10:32] <jsgotangco> let me check
[10:32] <froud> my suse boxes is running 1.65.1
[10:32] <jsgotangco> im running 1.66.1.-1
[10:32] <froud> Hmm that's the one installed with hoary
[10:33] <froud> Bug?
[10:33] <froud> in stylesheets
[10:33] <froud> or the xsl's in hoary are borked
[10:36] <jsgotangco> hmm it just makes a list of images in a text file
[10:39] <jsgotangco> hmm i also noticed the xref link to the xml was passed on to the html
[10:39] <froud> images file in not important
[10:40] <froud> what path do you get in the html
[10:40] <jsgotangco> for the images?
[10:40] <froud> yes
[10:41] <jsgotangco> give me a sec
[10:41] <jsgotangco> <img src="images/C/kubuntu-remoteplaces.png" alt="Remote Places">
[10:41] <froud> yes same here, but that is wrong
[10:42] <froud> it should be <img src="../../images/C/kubuntu-remoteplaces.png" alt="Remote Places">
[10:42] <jsgotangco> hmm the images are exported
[10:42] <froud> as per the xml xref source
[10:42] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:42] <jsgotangco> ../../
[10:42] <froud> yes, I copy the images
[10:42] <froud> nah this is a bug in 1.66.1-1
[10:44] <jsgotangco> oh adi sent an email
[10:44] <jsgotangco> to the list
[11:31] <jsgotangco> froud, new make file?
[11:31] <froud> huh?
[11:31] <froud> see trunk/kde
[11:32] <froud> jsgotangco: btw do you have computer dictionary installed
[11:33] <froud> http://computerdictionary.tsf.org.za/dictionary/packages/computerdictionary_1.0-1_all.deb
[11:34] <froud> jsgotangco: ?
[11:35] <froud> would be nice if you could test it on the installation guide
[11:35] <froud> if you can install it and then run make kin from kde/
[11:36] <froud> in the output you should have a glossary section automatically populated
[11:38] <froud> jsgotangco: ping
[11:38] <froud> can you test it
[11:55] <jsgotangco> wait
[11:55] <jsgotangco> sorry
[11:55] <jsgotangco> hold on
[11:55] <jsgotangco> i was teaching someone to use mediawiki
[11:55] <jsgotangco> what mediawiki?
[11:56] <froud> no you said hold on
[11:56] <froud> so I am doing just that
[11:56] <froud> teasing
[11:56] <jsgotangco> ok downloading
[11:56] <jsgotangco> where does this deb file install?
[11:57] <froud> here /usr/share/computerdictionary/
[11:58] <jsgotangco> ok give me a minute, our dsl here is crappy
[11:58] <froud> np
[11:58] <froud> while it downloads take a look at generic/instalguide/C/installation-guide.xml
[11:59] <froud> Look at end of xml file for
[11:59] <jsgotangco> ok let me svn up first
[11:59] <froud> <glossary role="auto">
[11:59] <froud>         <glossentry>
[11:59] <froud>             <glossterm>Dummy</glossterm>
[11:59] <froud>             <glossdef>
[11:59] <froud>                 <para>Now you see me, next you won't.</para>
[11:59] <froud>             </glossdef>
[11:59] <froud>         </glossentry>
[11:59] <froud>     </glossary>
[12:00] <jsgotangco> me copies that in kquickguide
[12:01] <froud> ok, but see installation-guide.xml for examples of how to markup glossterms
[12:01] <froud> broadcasts to the network for a <glossterm
[12:01] <froud>                         linkend="D-d0e6764">DHCP</glossterm> server and waits for a response.
[12:02] <froud> without glossterms you have no entries in the glossary
[12:02] <jsgotangco> ok what do i do next make kqg?
[12:04] <froud> um me thinks you should try kin
[12:04] <jsgotangco> hmm all?
[12:04] <froud> I did not see glossterms in kqg
[12:04] <jsgotangco> i put a dummy just now
[12:05] <froud> yes but you must have glossterms in the doc
[12:05] <froud> otherwise ithas nothing to add
[12:05] <jsgotangco> how would i know if a keyword is in the dictionary
[12:05] <froud> you check the dictionary src
[12:06] <jsgotangco> ahh
[12:06] <jsgotangco> ok i'll make kin now
[12:06] <froud> oneday I will write a naviagtion tool for the dictionary
[12:07] <froud> but for now its a case of searching the hardway
[12:07] <froud> :-)
[12:07] <jsgotangco> this is an example of a vendor drop right?
[12:07] <froud> not quite, its a build dependancy
[12:10] <jsgotangco> OMG that is awesome
[12:10] <froud> so it works for you. good stuff
[12:11] <jsgotangco> hmm
[12:11] <jsgotangco> wait a minute
[12:11] <jsgotangco> i see the glossary
[12:11] <jsgotangco> but where are the links to these keywords?
[12:12] <froud> how do you mean?
[12:12] <jsgotangco> ok Glossary has "DHCP"
[12:12] <jsgotangco> i was hoping any word that said "DHCP" in the book has a link to the glossary
[12:13] <froud> Umm there should be a link on one
[12:14] <jsgotangco> #
[12:14] <jsgotangco> Your network does not use a DHCP server.
[12:14] <jsgotangco> #
[12:14] <jsgotangco> no link on the DHCP word
[12:14] <froud> hold lemme see
[12:14] <jsgotangco> chapter 7
[12:23] <froud> Ah ha, yes, I will fix that
[12:23] <jsgotangco> what was wrong?
[12:23] <froud> hold must fix and see
[12:24] <jsgotangco> glossterms are awesome if we ship in html
[12:24] <froud> very helpful saves you having to explain things like DHCP, DNS etc
[12:24] <jsgotangco> yeah
[12:29] <froud> hmmm
[12:29] <jsgotangco> ?
[12:29] <froud> the parameter settings are correct, so why is it not linking
[12:30] <froud> hmmm
[12:30] <jsgotangco> does it work in your suse?
[12:30] <froud> no
[12:30] <froud> not the links
[12:31] <jsgotangco> so the word "DHCP" should link to the glossterm at the end right
[12:31] <froud> yes, it can do that on the first occurance or all
[12:31] <froud> I have set it to do so on first occurance only
[12:31] <jsgotangco> hmm
[12:32] <jsgotangco> question though
[12:32] <jsgotangco> does yelp recognize glossterms?
[12:32] <froud> no
[12:32] <jsgotangco> (on xml that is)
[12:32] <jsgotangco> ahh
[12:32] <jsgotangco> i guessed right then
[12:32] <froud> :-)
[12:33] <jsgotangco> its funny though, the system images appear but not the screenshots
[12:34] <jsgotangco> froud,
[12:34] <froud> yes
[12:34] <jsgotangco> <glossterm linkend="D-d0e6764">
[12:34] <jsgotangco> D-dnnnnn is from the D.xml right
[12:34] <froud> yeah
[12:35] <jsgotangco> ok i will study it then
[12:35] <jsgotangco> so when you do make kin
[12:36] <jsgotangco> the xsl looks into /usr/share/computerdictonary?
[12:36] <jsgotangco> and lifts appropriate entries at the bottom
[12:37] <froud> yes
[12:37] <froud> so glossary terms can be managed in a single place
[12:38] <froud> and glossary sections can be auto generated
[12:38] <jsgotangco> but that would also mean that everyone of us need to have the same glossary
[12:38] <jsgotangco> to be able to use it
[12:38] <froud> yes, I used computerdictionary as a build dependancy
[12:38] <jsgotangco> ahh right
[12:38] <jsgotangco> oh well this is interesting..
[12:38] <froud> it will not crash if not found
[12:39] <jsgotangco> if its not found, then there is no glossary entry in the html right?
[12:39] <froud> Hmmm it is linking my side
[12:39] <froud> right
[12:39] <jsgotangco> ahh
[12:39] <jsgotangco> oh well too bad i gotta run for dinner
[12:39] <froud> but the section glossary is built 
[12:39] <jsgotangco> will try to come back later
[12:39] <froud> ok
[12:39] <jsgotangco> right
[12:39] <jsgotangco> section glossary but no entries
[12:40] <froud> ye
[12:40] <jsgotangco> great
[12:40] <jsgotangco> see ya
[01:51] <Njal> lo
[01:51] <_froud_> hi
[01:52] <Njal> hows everyone
[01:52] <froud> I am OK, dunno about the others
[01:52] <Njal> oh well
[01:53] <froud> and you?
[01:53] <Njal> Gota damn cold it's height of the summer and i have a cold
[01:54] <froud> he he, winter here and I just got over the flue
[01:54] <Njal> Where you live?
[01:54] <froud> co.za
[01:55] <froud> Johannesburg, South Africa
[01:55] <Njal> Ah, York, England
[01:57] <Njal> Who are the mods for the list?
[01:57] <froud> no mods
[01:58] <Njal> who looks and the material then?
[01:58] <Njal> at
[01:59] <froud> which material?
[02:00] <froud> you mean mailing list?
[02:00] <Njal> yes
[02:01] <froud> Mmmm there are some people who are mailing list mods, but who I dont know. I dont get much into that stuff
[02:01] <froud> why, is there a problem?
[02:03] <Njal> I just submitted something and i was told via automated email a mod had to approve it
[02:04] <froud> Ah yeah an attached file
[02:04] <froud> sometimes they get stuck
[02:04] <Njal> Yes, i was just wondering what the status was, since everytime i svt up the file isn't updated
[02:04] <froud> send a message to the list without attachment and ask them to release it
[02:05] <Njal> Ask them to add the file to the repo?
[02:05] <froud> Uhm I think mdke had some comments if you have fixed them they resubmit
[02:05] <froud> did you read matthews comments?
[02:07] <Njal> I don't understand what you mean by if you have fixed them they resubmit
[02:07] <froud> was it you who submitted a patch yesterday?
[02:08] <froud> userguide.xml(revision 1216)
[02:08] <Njal> that's the one
[02:08] <froud> OK, Matthew reviewed it and gave comments.
[02:08] <Njal> I havn't seen them
[02:08] <Njal> Where can i access these comments
[02:08] <froud> sec
[02:09] <froud> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.doc/
[02:10] <Njal> ok
[02:10] <Njal> thank you
[02:10] <froud> np
[02:12] <Njal> Hmm i better change my typing style :p
[02:12] <froud> writing style, yes
[02:13] <Njal> Im one of these people that try to make it as light as possible, i blame the ...for dummies series of book i always read if i need to learn something new
[02:14] <froud> he he
[02:14] <froud> try a neutral posture when writing
[02:14] <Njal> I will
[02:14] <Njal> It's learning the teretory really
[02:15] <froud> yeah, not a big issue, dont be offended by it
[02:15] <Njal> Im not
[02:15] <Njal> Don't worry
[02:15] <froud> good
[02:25] <Njal> There's more to be done in this user guide than i first though
[02:26] <froud> yes, lots to do
[02:26] <Njal> I thought it was almost finished, cool i can get more done
[02:26] <froud> nice because you can pick and choose your stuff
[02:26] <Njal> yup
[02:26] <froud> no no lots of rooms for things to do, enjoy ;-)
[02:27] <Njal> Are we going for the whole images in the guide or is it all text?
[02:27] <froud> you can use images
[02:27] <froud> but b4 capturing
[02:28] <froud> check file:/home/sean/projects/ubuntu/trunk/gnome/images/C
[02:28] <froud> opps
[02:28] <froud> trunk/gnome/images/C
[02:28] <Njal> i don't have a trunk dir
[02:28] <Njal> odd
[02:29] <Njal> nvm found the images anyway
[02:29] <froud> if the image is not already there, then create capture as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TakingScreenshots?highlight=%28ScreenShots%29
[02:29] <froud> yes you may not have a trunk because you have not done a full checkout of the repos, just the trunk
[02:30] <froud> if the image is there, then reuse it
[02:30] <Njal> just to confirm we can't use figures of speach such as "There's more than one way to skin a cat", i can imagine how that might turn out translated
[02:31] <froud> correct, don't use them
[02:31] <Njal> ok
[02:31] <Njal> another question, what CD buring software come's installed by default
[02:31] <Njal> i know there's the one built into nautilus
[02:32] <froud> that's it
[02:32] <Njal> oh right
[02:32] <froud> well stock apps that is
[02:32] <Njal> We're using a stock OS for this though arn't we?
[02:33] <froud> yes and apply human theme
[02:33] <Njal> Yes i have just read that, but my system is dying i think i'll wait on the screen shot's until i can repair my system
[02:34] <froud> OK, remember you can always use a qemu and the ISO
[02:34] <Njal> huh
[02:34] <Njal> ???
[02:35] <froud> you can run linux under linux using an emulator and make captures from tha :-)
[02:36] <Njal> Ah emulation, im not sure that my PC's good enough for that, it choked on the VMware demo
[02:41] <Njal> What's the default mail client?
[02:41] <Njal> Evolution?
[02:41] <froud> yp
[02:42] <Njal> hmm never got that to work
[02:42] <Njal> will have to skip that section and let someone who can use it, write it
[02:55] <froud> jjesse_: hi
[02:55] <jjesse_> hiya froud
[02:56] <jjesse_> running in windows mode today can't figure out why it won't let me connect at jjesse
[02:56] <jjesse_> and keeps adding the _ to it :(
[02:56] <froud> change your nick /nick jjesse
[02:56] <jjesse> now need to figure out why it isn't letting me connect
[02:57] <froud> now do /msg nickserv identify {$your-password}
[02:57] <jjesse> already did it 
[02:57] <froud> now do /msg nickserv identify {$your-password}
[02:57] <froud> ooops
[02:57] <jjesse> grin
[02:58] <froud> so have you looked at the outline for kug?
[02:58] <jjesse> very little, spent some time looking at it while i watched the piston loose last night
[02:59] <froud> that sounds bad :-)
[02:59] <jjesse> nba finals last game was last night 
[02:59] <jjesse> and i'm from  michigan so detroit is my team
[02:59] <froud> ok, no wonder
[03:00] <froud> well do take a look and see what you think. Add as you feel required
[03:00] <jjesse> will do its on the schedule for this weekend
[03:00] <froud> cool
[03:00] <froud> havenot seen gtaylor around
[03:01] <froud> jjesse: btw you now make make targets for the kde stuff
[03:01] <froud> try them and send feedback
[03:02] <jjesse> ok cool
[03:24] <Njal> Um on the external drive bit does this include USB 'dongles'
[03:24] <froud> how do you mean?
[03:25] <Njal> There is a section that is called external drives as in hard drives does this include thet popular USB pen/dongle/mini/portable hard drives?
[03:26] <froud> guess it should
[03:26] <Njal> Since all i know about is the 'dongle' drives
[03:27] <froud> that's ok, do what you know
[03:28] <froud> or do research about the ones you dont know so you can do the section
[03:35] <Njal> kk
[03:35] <froud> gtaylor: good to see you
[03:37] <froud> gtaylor: outline is in svn
[03:47] <gtaylor> froud: Good deal, how's it looking?
[03:48] <froud> not bad, good enough for me to think it's time for input from you and jjesse 
[03:49] <gtaylor> great, I'll start playing with it today
[03:52] <froud> argh network splits
[03:53] <froud> gtaylor: did you respond to me. if so. I missed it
[03:53] <gtaylor> froud: Yeah, I'm going to take a look at pitch some stuff in today
[03:53] <froud> cool look forward to it
[03:54] <froud> I have mainly done parts and chapters if these structures are OK, then I think we can start building the section outline in each of the chapters
[03:54] <gtaylor> ok
[03:56] <gtaylor> looks like a good start
[03:58] <gtaylor> hrm, need a section on package management
[03:59] <froud> under the part on expanding ?
[03:59] <gtaylor> Well, I see you have one under Expanding Kubuntu but that might be a chapter on its own
[03:59] <froud> he he
[04:00] <gtaylor> There are a bunch of different ways to do package management, is the user guide supposed to go over GUI and Console ways of doing things?
[04:00] <froud> Umm mostly using Kynaptic
[04:00] <gtaylor> ok
[04:00] <gtaylor> I wrote a bunch of Kynaptic stuff for the quickguide we can use
[04:00] <froud> but some cli will be needed in order to add repositories to sources.list
[04:00] <jjesse> shouldn't it cover at least some of the console settings?  if i remember correctly the upgrade from wart to hoary was mostly console driven apt-get update and stuff
[04:01] <froud> once you have repos's defined in sources.list the rest can be done va kynaptic
[04:01] <froud> smart upgrade
[04:03] <froud> everything up to Expanding is the stock installation
[04:07] <gtaylor> I didn't know there was such a thing as apt-get moo :)
[04:07] <gtaylor> was wondering what that super cow powers stuff was
[04:40] <jjesse> hello enrico?
[04:41] <enrico> jjesse: hi from LinuxTag!
[04:41] <jjesse> having fun?
[04:41] <enrico> lots! :)
[09:51] <froud> night, night